20 Episode results for "Shawny"

173: Strong Men, Riding Horses

The Slowdown

05:00 min | 1 year ago

173: Strong Men, Riding Horses

"<music> I'm Tracy K Smith and this is the slowdown <music> in her poem. Strongmen Riding Horses Wandel and Brooks describes men of power and ambition men who believed in westward expansion and manifest destiny men who sought to tame a land men who craved freedom and who ended up subjugating countless others in pursuit of their private dreams the poem speaker. Jerseys these men on movie and television screens but she doesn't see herself in them. She says I am not like that. I pay rent an adult by illegible landlords run. If robers call our present day heroes don't much resemble the T._V. Cowboys of that earlier time but perhaps the havoc their appetites unleash upon the environment and upon the lives of others others is familiar. Maybe that's one reason why today's poem by two Shawny Doshi Takes Gwendolyn Brooks his title as its own Indo. She's poem. I am made aware of the speakers. Occurs private struggle with the hard headedness and ham fisted -ness of men they may as well be riding around on horses twirling Lassos in the air. The threat they pose is eerie but would also familiar strongmen riding horses by two Shawny Doshi after Gwendolyn Brooks the men in my life comeback strong fat fat off the agony of summer's gone these men no longer think to write or call before riding into dreams with Luger's and Stephenson's on horses all wrong. They charge in they charge in like assassins through floorboards and bearings the men in my life gross spring-like out west cowboys with Tasha's and Gingham chests adrift on the lawns of Banishment. Oh the infinity of a grown man who waits the candidates range from primate to giant faces morose as funerals five years unravel revel into five hundred so many disappeared miles the men in my life hold secrets like spears a thousand would be husband circle the border reaching for naval face. Ace breastplate rope and from everything you imagined that was not comes dawn spidery and wet releasing them back to the West to where they wrote in from sunset onset restores them with Harmonicas rested and keen for a battering again yesterday's blue tongue blades of grass all the paths to longing are recurring and paved with orange trees trees earthquakes other women's men from here. The future blooms like a prehistoric fish of hope flat headed obdurate the lesson being to submerge. Urge to listen to the music of bones crying as they are changed from Gills to hoof except for the fossils gathered at our feet that insist with an architecture ancient and strong so what can we say about empires of harmony of men who ride horses treacherous as they are. We must counter these phantoms desert. I'd except for sleep. Nothing is ever finished and all that remains of night is a rooftop in summer a strong wind from the sea birds. Hey a family of men with high foreheads picking their teeth. They are lurching towards you with Balsam and pasted down hair breath Jiang Li with fear to have survived the ever-present restlessness of stars wake now.

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What the Pain We Experience in Our Body Really Means (Minisode #3)

Broken Brain with Dhru Purohit

17:11 min | 6 months ago

What the Pain We Experience in Our Body Really Means (Minisode #3)

"Coming up on this week's mini episode of the Broken Brain Podcast, I believe. Trauma lives in the tissue and I've seen it. We've seen people. Let go of stuff that they've been carrying. Coals for years through releasing through their tissues. I've worn drew pro here. Host the brain podcast emotion. It's energy in motion, and that stuck energy can get trapped in vulnerable areas of our body and show up as pain or dysfunction. Isn't that crazy? We assume we must have an injury to have body pain, but in so many cases in imbalanced gut, nutrient deficiencies, and even store trauma and unprocessed emotions can have their hand in body, aches and pain that we all experience in this mini episode I speak with Dr Shawny. Shawny Bach Dr John Immoral and born Roxburgh about how energy can become stagnant in our body, especially stress and emotions from the past that we haven't worked through yet. The physical body is always trying to release emotion if we don't express it because we don't process it that energy gets stuck in our joints, tissues and organs and stagnates within the body. Let's listen in starting with my interview with my dear friend. Dr Shawn bought a Chiropractor and Double Certified Functional Medicine Practitioner with ten years of experience in the wellness field. The more that I learned about functional medicine and wellness. The more I'm sort of convinced that are more than our diet more than anything else. It's really our emotional health that really everything you could be eating perfect diet, but if you're troubled mentally by something, if something's on your mind, if you're afraid to have a particular conversation, whatever you can drive yourself sick and I'm sure you see it. People coming in, and there's this tension in their body, and they're doing all the right things, and you kind of maybe have a hunch what you say to those people. And how do you help them? Kind of dig it out when it's emotionally related. This, that's such a good point I think you know even Chinese medicine, there are certain organs that hold certain emotional centers for example. I know a lot of people on here can probably relate to having tight. Hip Flexes Hip flexor traditionally related to the emotion anger, so if we are going back to how emotions are stored in the body, they are stored not only in our organs also China's in the liver. is a seat of anger and so going back to movement and stretching and paying attention to that. Sometimes you know you. You hear people who take up yoga for example they do this yoga class, and they might be crying at the end of it or something. That's because or you know they go to a body worker Tom. Myers is a big leader in the fossil world. And he says you know sometimes he doesn't agree with body workers who just go in super aggressive and like you know working on people for that exact reason, because sometimes we are harboring whatever emotion in our body the motion is stored in the body exactly and so the minute. You know you sort of needed gentle and I find when I'm working on people's hip flexor to like there's an immediate you can see it in their face like when you touch their hip flexor. They cut F-. There's kind of this like you have to ask permission. You're sort of you know slowly pal painting in and then slowly working on it because you. You just can't go in and immediately work on it with crazy pressure for certain people. You know because they might have that, but yet I don't know them all off on my head, but emotions are definitely stored all over our body, our muscles and our organs, and so what I would say to those people a again is what the advice that I. I would say anyways is start with movement. Start with getting your body worked on 'cause. Sometimes it's hard for people to go in and a notice what the feelings are feeling, but I do say to my patients put a if I had a record or in your head all day long. What kinda thought it'd be coming up. We'll be the themes that keep. Keep coming up. What will be the tone that kept coming on the record? That's playing exactly. Yeah, and you know we always say what's the story that's playing over and over in your head right so Yeah I. Think I I think the good thing about that is that the body also impacts the brain so sometimes when you can't walk through some. If to ask yourself and look at yourself like where are you and do you need some work on the body? you know. Do you need to try tapping? Do need to see yes. A chiropractic doctors familiar with functional medicine. Do you need to do something to unlock things a little bit and to release this past stored? Trauma Center. That's inside the body that just stagnant. Oh for sure, even doing body scans. You know lying down and Kinda just in your head, saying okay, how are my fingers feeling? How is my palm of my hand feeling? How is my forearm feeling? How is my upper arm? Feeling and doing a whole scan of your entire body? Sometimes you'll, your mind will take you to certain places, and that might be an area of storage, and you might feel really sad. When you do a certain scan somewhere, you might feel. Feel really happy when you think of somewhere and that is exactly goes back to those emotions, disconnection from one's inner world is often caused by internalization. We feel things, and we keep them inside instead of expressing them with the people around us. We don't always process. Are True feelings? My dear friend John Immoral a Chiropractor, author and educator talks to us about how this disconnection can create stress, pain and trauma inside of our bodies. Some people don't even have a reference for a what it's like to be in flow they. Have felt truly. Ease and peace and flow and expansion energy flowing, because the body's been in a hyper vigilant state since they were going, and they have no referencing for even what could be possible, and I found that along the way so many human beings like the initials, my own experience, because I had very severe asthma, asthma and allergies, and all these reactive things happening in my body, growing up, and I was treated with. Injections for years I was given. It has been hailers giving cortisone creams, corticosteroid so I was. I was being treated from the outside in because my body was reacting to the environment, but my body was reacting to the environment because what I realized in my journey was because I was. I was feeling strong feelings and experiences that I didn't. But I wasn't connected to what I was feeling, so my I couldn't associate in a dialogue or a relationship with my inner world with my body, sensations and feedback, so it was numb. Inside I was numb. There was disconnection that was disconnection and to reconnect had to start to. I had to start to recognize what what is it even first of all what is even feeling? Because I was so numb that I couldn't tell you how I thought it was always fine. How're you doing? I'm fine. You got a lot of stress go. There's a lot happening with your family. Having not find them good in so many people can relate to that. Probably many listeners on this podcast said that before you may have even said it today. Yeah, so it's like yeah. I'm fine, and we really we. We might it but. either. Because we're so disconnected that we don't even have a reference to what's really going on, or because we condition to not truly express. What's really there because for fear of You know what what happened. What like what happened? If you were angrier, what happened if you were sad or what happened? If you didn't you know if you move your body in certain ways, and what happens if you didn't sit still at the dinner table what happened if you were running around and not sit in your seat in class, or what happened you all the expressions on the different ways? We would move naturally if we were just fully expressed. We learned that sculpturing conditioning. Whether that's family whether that's schooling whether that's religious, whatever it is that we learn like that certain. Things are okay to express in things aren't and then we start to, either. It's unconscious because it's happened in the early part of her life, and it's still happening. We learn how to adapt ourselves. Out of protection survival to be safe into, be okay and to be able to be accepted in. So what happens when people get on that table? Is. Also start to go in and as I swerve. I'm helping, help, suspend the physical anchoring of the spinal cord being stretched. which happens in these situations so like? Let's say all right. I'll give an example. Working with someone who had a whiplash accident, this happened many times with specific case amount. Man I was working with He was in whiplash accident. He pulled out of his driveway. Someone rear ended him, and his lower neck went into spasm, and then he went and got him Orion. It was ruptured disk and. I saw him about two years after this happened, and he was going all these chiropractors in alternative practitioners in acupuncture, and he'd headquarters injections, the done everything, and they were looking for mechanical solution because he had a blown record disc, and he had all this pain and the oldest tension and. I. The first thing I asked him was what was going on around the time that that happened. Like what was happening in your life when you did just curious because I wanNA, get a context. And he said. Know, what appealed out of the driveway? I just had a huge fight with my ex wife, and it was literally the night when we separated and we'd never got back together and it was. Like wow, you know like every put that together that this physical thing happened right at a time of high emotional intensity. And his nervous system has limbic system. His whole architecture of his body was still holding around. A trauma that was way beyond just the physical experience, and so when we started to work I, went in, and I just did a couple of ounces of pressure in his lower neck and everything started releasing started to breathe. And he started to like growl, and he started to Ray, and all of a sudden rage, coming out of them, and then sadness was coming out of him, and he was. Raging for a moment, and then he was just. Sobbing and then his his shoulders dropped in his whole body, released, and of a sudden he was like I. Am was doing this in his clunk clunk. 'cause Vertebra, requesting and he and he. He was resolving pattern. Did they did I? Go in and specifically fix that disk. No like I helped him one recognized. There's A. Relationship Between Your Life in this pattern that your body, which isn't a static thing, is mechanical in separate from your consciousness and everything going on, and then I hoped kind of point out that. Here's a way you could be more self aware and self reflective, and start to like move that energy yourself and I found over the years that lower neck and throat area is so tied into so oftentimes like relational challenges. Anger loss of trust in intimacy and loss of like preparation and vigilance of like I'm not going to be screwed over again. A whole dislike this, so you so I'm not vulnerable. It's also around the throat area which in. The tradition and the Yoga tradition is the fifth shock route, or the Schutte they call it, which is that like? You're kind of higher expression of your higher voice than knowing. Did you feel something and squash? How you felt not express it because it would have made somebody feel uncomfortable could've made. You feel uncomfortable to hear out loud to yell. Get upset to say to express to do whatever you stopped it in, and then we'll kind of damage. Does that do to your body? Yeah, because when you don't express the sound that's natural. and. Authentic and it and we can't always do that in every context. That's what culture you're in the boardroom. Your enemy meeting whatever you want, just freak out. Just WanNA freak out and you're like. Got A hold. It together gotta be fine, and then like finally kind of get over it. Suck it up, and you go home and have a glass of wine have a cigarette. How eat some food? And just kind of suppress it so the energy that was triggered in the fight or flight response where you tensed up the spinal cord stretched the the tone of the all the tissues of the body stretch, the whole nervous system stretch the tone, the tone we call it of all the nerve tissues of the body, which are interwoven into every cell. See have like somewhere in the vicinity of three like nine little filament nerve fibers that we've into the outer matrix of the cell in. In through the Fausia, and everything's interconnected with this nerve tissue, they all get stretched, and you get a tonal shift, so you get a vibrant Tori change in the frequency of the body, literally not just like Abraham Hicks. Like you know like it's a sort of everything's vibration. It's a physical visceral change in the vibe. Raton tone of the body anytime we have a life event or intense emotions that we had a chance to process yet we can keep. Those emotions stored inside of the. But we don't have to keep it that way. It's about finding a release. I explored this topic in my interview with Lauren. Roxburgh a board, certified, structural integration, practitioner author, Speaker Educator and corporate presenter. She's frequently dubbed the body. Whisper here we go. People may have heard of roughing It's structural. Integration is a form of body work where we're working on a lining the tissues and the joints and the system and then a lot. Lot of emotional stuff comes up with that as well because I believe that trauma lives in the tissue and I've seen it and I've I mean I? Don't know if we can scientifically validated, but we've seen people. Let go of stuff that they've been carrying a bag of goals for years through releasing through their tissues, two things on that number one even for people who haven't who may heard of roughing, but haven't had it done. they? They just know that it's painful. Emotional pain, yeah, I can also physical release because of exactly what you were saying. Yeah, but why would it be painful? So the pain is either could be the pain. was there already people were not tuned into it because of the compression? Maybe there's a scar tissue piece of not pushing on a nerve It's also just again like holding ourselves and certain positions that can make us stuck in sticky and compressed, but also show becomes I always say aging is a form of dehydration, and it's not just how much water you drink your tissue, your connective tissue, your Fasha can actually become dehydrated and brittle and thick and dense again from gravity are stress or tension or holding onto emotional stagnant energy like a lot of times. People don't realize this, but we actually you know. Let's say where we're going to clutch arms down. If we get a stressful like phone, call or such something comes up that stressful in our lives are we're pissed about something, or we have resentment or anger, and we just subconsciously like. Ten He's our arms into our sides, and then we tense up and then emotional energy. Get stuck in the ribs, so we can. It's okay to have that happen. It's just a matter of finding the release and letting it go. It's that whole mind body connection. It's understanding that this is my survival mechanism. Yes, I'm dealing with a stressful situation or have some sort of emotional turmoil in my life, yes, by the way everyone all of. You know what I mean. Life is what is life has waves, so we're all going to be dealing with things that come up and down, and it's just more of finding that piece of knowing that we can get through it. The body is a map of every experience we've had as we bridge the mind, body and spirit. We can better understand the connection between trapped emotion and. And physical ailments that cause us suffering, and we can utilize specific tools to help find freedom in the body and in the mind. Thank you for tuning into this mini episode of the broken. Brain podcast I hope you've enjoyed it. If you WANNA learn more about any one of the episodes and the clips you've heard above just click on. The show notes to the full length interview. Hi Everyone I. Hope you enjoy the interview just a reminder. This podcast is for educational purposes. Only as podcast is not, it's not a substitute for professional care by a doctor or otherwise qualified medical professional, as podcast is provided on the understanding that it does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. If you're looking for helping, your journey got a qualified medical practitioner. If you're looking for a functional medicine practitioner, you can visit I f. m. dot. Org and searched their find a provider. Database. It's important that you have somebody in your corner. That's qualified. That's trained. That's a licensed healthcare practitioner helping you make changes especially when it comes to your health.

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Feeling My Flo Trailer

Feeling My Flo

01:43 min | 9 months ago

Feeling My Flo Trailer

"Getting my period was really the first marker of my body betraying me. I didn't develop till I was about sixteen seventeen really and puberty was the first time that I felt ashamed of my body. I think I've definitely was like what am I going to get at one? Am I GONNA get it? I want it like it should happen. I'm COMMUNICA Shawny. The host of feeling my flow the podcast that sees and talks about ministration as an event that happens to all types of bodies and affects traders in different ways. This first season. We'll hear from friends and families navigating puberty what I remember most was walking in the room had red and white checkered floor pattern and they had this like table setup with a cup of water a pad a Tampon. The whole thing has the sort of dreamlike call eighty to it where. I'm still not sure it actually happened. Because he was a little bit strange. And we'll hear about all the complex emotions that come along with menstruation. Every single period on like constantly reminded that have uterus and like I don't want one and I'm bleeding for no reason. I don't even want to birth kids so I'm just there with my thoughts are feeling my flow. We think everyone should be talking more about periods as exactly what we're GONNA do feeling. My flow is a production of Lens Eagle Williams and co. We're here to inform entertain and empower visit us at feeling my flow. That's F. O. DOT COM and follow us on twitter facebook and Instagram to join the conversation. Subscribe wherever you get your podcast.

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Australian Survivor All Stars | Week 5 Exit Interviews Part 2

Reality TV RHAP-ups: Reality TV Podcasts

19:48 min | 11 months ago

Australian Survivor All Stars | Week 5 Exit Interviews Part 2

"Only one million pounds Chicago cyber however Shannon. Gus Getting you ready for a week. Five to exit interview. We did already released. Pot won a couple of days ago. Spoiler that was nick because obviously that was just such a big moment and just such an important exit interview for the community that I didn't WanNa wait wanted to released on by itself and now we do have an exit interview with the Great Dirty Harry one of my favorites so happy to talk to him but so he's out of the game. We did not get an interview with Lucky Hood. He is the bachelor and he's doing bachelor things. And I know I said I wanted every all-star exit interview and agency why we couldn't get fat. I might even madder because just like such a crazy reason to lose a podcast guests so unfortunately don't have that content view. There will be a lot of bachelor content with lucky as the bachelor. Think about that sentence. Some crazy stuff but until then we do have a great chat with dirty Harry the cockroach himself like you guys enjoy and I will see you on the other side. I'm so so upset about what happened this league and the because I loved all your favorites. Yeah two thirds of the rascals. Thanks for coming on the accident of you. Lucky digesting the bachelor so being here the adventure to go on. Yeah this is. This has been a rough line. Let's talk about what's on. Everyone's mind the advantage not giving it or all right so going into it You have to understand that does OPTIMA group had become incredibly close like really really taught And another thing that was really like I really came across. Just how friendly we were and how much fun movie having And that really factored into a lot of decisions. I mean the choice to get rid of Mat. Rogers was partly because I was really enjoying the bomb that I had with these players So it's sort of a testament to social But as for the advantage We couldn't be sure whether giving it to nick would mean that the entire Makuto was protected and everyone would simply go to another challenge before merge So basically the risk was I play it. And essentially we just Defer the immunity And then Nick and myself the two on the book and the next one anyway where I could go home so at the time. It was very savvy choice And I do regret it to be honest. Like I think I've played with a bit of fear and that's not something I normally do Normally I just sort of throwing myself into things when I think that makes sense And in that case I think I was I was a bit afraid and I regret not giving him the advantage because in hindsight I think it was a good idea regardless of the outcome to just roll the die sued production summation nation on this unprecedented advantage. What are your thoughts on that? Because I decided quite a bit of the season and it's a production which is weird to me. It's interesting in that it's one of those episodes which is typically sort of thrust upon the players by production but in this case it was sort of thrust into my hands. Jesus I get producing credits. It was weird though because while the advantage was useful the biggest power that it had was bluffing with it because I went into the flick. Vote basically saying that like I have this power and if I want I can tell someone. We complete honesty means shawny ongoing harm. And that's the sort of thing that just incites fear in other players like if Harry's going I have this advantage shown in Harry ongoing harm because of that powerful like what could it be and so. I think the ironic thing is that its greatest. Power came from luffing with it And maybe that's part of why not to play it but yeah it was weird that it was just put into my hands and the non elimination of soda was SORTA thrust into my control And it was weird because I had no idea whether they would have merged at thirteen or still at twelve. I'm pretty sure they would merged at the chain But honestly like I don't see that as being the sliding door moment because from what I know. Leeann Sean never intended on flipping Eliane and so would have been seven six still They might have been options or not but we were still against the all time whereas I think phoebe Sort of losing the auto to David ever being right and like actually managing to grab himself On top of the Matt Rojas Vote Was probably the two moments that really defined the mid game. Yeah TV and David I get screwed you but why why is that something you look back on as a mistake or defining moment I don't really look on it as a mistake. Because honestly I think that I was being voted out around ten regardless. I know that lucky and Brooke intended to me out the second that they had any authority in the game And I'm sure Matt Rojas would've had quite minimal use for me after he had his whole crew back together So I think the way I was I was in a pretty hot spot but Not Going with that road is certainly defining because that would have reshaped the entire end game. I mean you looking at Lucky and broke possibly being voted out pretty much going into it with Dave and Matt these big figures and whether they would have teamed up or whether they would have gone offshore each other would have really changed things. It would have been just a whole different dynamic because you've got two different. Alpha's in And you've got people scrambling in very different ways. You seem to think on read. It still seemed to think that. How'd you going back to another trump? Will Counseling would've been your head on the chopping block? Wanted that and again. It was really a matter all I wanted to go with. You had mentioned that. Were sort of a Jewish. You had lucky and procured. You're and I really had to go with what he wanted So unless I was able to pull him is law. Envoy lucky I don't think I was going through To the merge because I think Shawny was playing such good social game as well. That didn't necessarily WANNA talk So I think I was next on the chopping block like. Did it help you at all to think that had saved for you to give you indication that maybe you were a big part of his plans? All he just wanted that would've worked around it onto tribal I think that I K- The advantage was a lot more useful and powerful than what it was One wasn't really shunned from that trouble was that Close to voting Shahnyin AK both kind of found out that I had this advantage and kind of bluffed a bit of its power to Ak 'cause really trying to work with a the play it or not And I did imply to show neither. Neither of US would go if I used it So I think he figured he keeps me which keeps the advantage which means that regardless of the numbers we have a shot going into merge because we have some sort of ability to swapping up. Yeah I mean yeah I do think that would go on because I think that's kind of an interesting thing but I'm a little bit hot. And by the fact that at least he joined varnished. So maybe you would work there but to talk about David. So what lost in Translation Brooke and Combat from the reward. They say that Niki is on the bottom. And you know that clearly but we will weasel Nixon. Shawny life days running the show and then day comes and tells you on the bottom. So what were you thinking with those pieces of information if they were delivered to you or does a lot no doubt but the thing is like sometimes. You just have to work with that. I mean you look at me and lyric from season for like Luke for me and I voted for Luke and we're both lying to each other then. As soon as it became strategically libel we work together. And it wasn't of some social bombed. It wasn't because of loss Really getting along better than others. It was simply because it made have accent strategically and so we knew I was very lucky. Very sketchy but it did still make sense to him to go with this plan. Because the five of us were essentially offering him of full ever he wanted Whereas on the other side you had people like more you wanted to be in charge and Sean who can be bit flaky. If you're not giving What she wants So with us he essentially just had minions which is what people want to So we offered up Sean. Which is exactly what they nominated and to me. It made a lot of sense. I mean you take out Sean. Which means that Lee is a free agent? He probably goes to Damon Zach Sean is one of the only people that had gone again Zach. It was still in the game. She wanted him to exile She also bailed on a plan that would have helped back And those just quite a few other reasons where it just made sense and so even though they would definitely on the opposition like it made the most sense to appeal to those too. Yeah I mean I get it but yeah day sticks his own thing. What are your thoughts on him saying that he wants to so he can play the most consecutive contains which he made up a category just made off. Yeah he made a new record. I don't really believe that I think I think he just wanted me out. Because I was one of the people that was really able to maybe threatened him And I didn't know he's complete game whereas other people didn't always complete game from seasons pool So I think it was just a matter of him wanting me gone so that he could retain control And I respect that like that was on the Because I game and and some people get taken out before the time somebody will get taken out because of their players going to that law slightly unfortunately get booted out Leeann Zaka painted as swing voids going to Jackie. What was potted plan So it's not being entirely Sean Throughout the series but Jackie and Zack never really saw and they were sort of trying to work out ways to maybe talk at each other and on top of that just socially I just didn't get along And so it made a lot of sense to vote out and Jackie for those two. Because you vote out someone who probably isn't going to be running with you when you get down to seven and on top of that you just going to be having a better time around camp if you do Serve this MAKUTA. Seven Still retains the numbers even if they skim off the top one of their own And if I were to do it They'd be getting rid of someone that's possibly going back seven down the line so to me. It made a lot of sense And I think to Leeann Zach it it did make a Lotta sense as well. They just weren't really ready for that commitment yet because they couldn't see how a transition for them for the rest of again. Yeah and obviously you know you seem to voice. In the voting confessionals. The goal alliance is basically like this isn't going to work but we did see you in. Shawny in a challenge to talk about the hope that they would maybe go for one of Brooke instead. But you obviously didn't vote against each other in your beautifully holding hands. And did you consider turning on each other at that point? I'll I'll say it like this. I had this my game where I'd been playing a bit savage. I voted for Shawnee to go to exile. I hadn't given nick advantage and I guess if I learned anything by the very end it was that it wasn't worth it to make those choices are. I was quite happy. Just supporting my thang solid with my crew Because I would rather push for plan because I don't believe in my plan. Then why should these people on the other side flip? Yeah makes makes a lot of sense. What about like just go back to your relationship with AK just more broadly. We see a lot of scenes of you guys. You know. You're like a mirror image of each other in terms of like by your also sizing up and you know that the other one is threatening. 'cause you're threatening so we'll your long term plans for someone like an ak you had you had the numbers and the power. I always wanted to work with AKA. I was very sad when he was on the other side So it was very cool to finally be able to work with him but it was weird going into vodka. Stop because once you call these pre-established alliances wasn't sure whether I was just going to be so it took a while for me to actually gain some trust and it took a while to gain my trust but once it was there he was one of my top people And I doubt that I would've backstabbed him. Any point before like quantified looking at someone like Sean and his work with them kudos. He seemed on the original include to how a lot of relationships across theology. You see that as part of your game yeah. I'll definitely trying to play the game. And so I think you see the best when Zach was definitely on the bottom like he's been friends in Henry and Michelle had been voted out And it seemed quite straightforward. Maybe he would be the next to go But I was usually the one to come and try and talk to the people that were on the bottom and try and see if I can pick them up and that was part of why I wanted to show me instead of Zach going to exile because if there was some sort of a challenge where only one came back I wanted to be able to appeal to both of them. Like that comes back go. Look I didn't even vote for you. If shawny comes back I can just apologize and make it up to a because we already had a bit. A bond Sir I fully intended to work with Zack. From the start. I was trying to sort of pull him over to my side. And Sean I liked is what we get along. Well socially We were both sort of people that like to work around Cam. Italy rises It was just unfortunate that The eggnog twists actually sort of put a spanner in the works for a lot of things for me. 'cause I was just amount to try and stop waking me Sean When it sort of go into a beatable awful And then by the time we managed to get back She was sort of in a different position. She already had a good alliance and she's great friends with Mars or I didn't really have the chance to pour la. Yeah that's been a hot one. Leshan relationship has been quite defining. I think I saw jury villa. You seem to click. This is really the interview journey. But you had just been voted out a few months later is there. Do you WanNa play again or Yeah look I think if off me down the track If there's quite a lot more seasons trillion saliva on the boat. I think that maybe I would consider it So now I'm quite happy. It's just sort of sit back and enjoy Maybe some Newbie seasons or watch. Some new characters be fleshed out because I think that for fighting about survivor thing you character. Yeah just last question. Someone who to this point played the most consecutive days. We'll see what David does. But how hard is that going back when you engaged in the middle obviously physically emotionally mentally for the people that went back and you played the most days in season floor. I imagine that was really tough. Yeah Yuck Yuck Is If you ever play. That plays one thing gets off supplies and make season Say No say maybe laid up. It's it's pretty rough And you sort of starting to say it really now like where they've sort of breaking down physically I sort of had some mental problems in terms of like just getting through the day it was starting to become a real struggle It's just sort of hot. It was a six wake Transition and playing along of them are It's not an ideal situation. So it's very tough on everything So to do it twice was very difficult. Yeah I can imagine. Well they respect rascal for life. This has been a really bad week but hopefully gets a little better for at least shawny carrying the rascals flag us much becoming to chat about your game on the put. Goss no problem anytime. Thanks Bye Bye Shannon everyone they you have it who enjoyed individual exit interview. Podcast this week again. Sorry about lucky but I really do feel like I had no control over that and aside from just finding them another bachelor that one was pretty much out of my hand so I thought that you guys enjoyed this interview. I hope that you've checked out the recap with Mike learned. That was on this three hours. It should have dropped already so so much fun with that one. I always love chatting to Mike next week we will have Tessa. Poking tribal is happening. I think I've got to actually plug that on the recap we Gulberg on this week. So have you checking out all the content? Thank you so much to everyone for listening. It is greatly appreciated and I will see you next week composed five Mary Australia one million pounds shift.

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Celeb Facialist Shani Darden on the Three Treatments That Will Transform Your Skin

Breaking Beauty Podcast

40:30 min | 1 year ago

Celeb Facialist Shani Darden on the Three Treatments That Will Transform Your Skin

"The following podcasts is a deer media production. I think that we're doing a lot of too much. There's too many lasers like there's just too much. Can I think people are overdoing it and I think people are damaging their skin guys. Welcome to breaking beauty. The podcast olive at the best selling beauty products. And the damn damn good stories behind them. For your host Carleen Higgins and Jill done. Welcome back to breaking beauty podcast. Everyone I'm Jill. Done and I'm Carleen Higgins. Hey carleen clean high girl. So we're still pumping out this Los Angeles content content. That's very that's a very insider word. Yes yeah. We sat down with a lot of really cool you ball and kind of editors would we be. If we didn't sit down with a Hollywood facialists. I mean come on. That was our first stop. Oh yeah and we went to our guest S.. Today's brand new studio. And that's Sheni Darden. And she has the slickest spot ever tucked away in Beverly Hills. We're really all about you. Know uncovering uncovering the breakthrough people products moments in beauty. And I think Shawny is one of those breakthrough people right now yet. She is capturing all the headlines in Harper's burs bizarre right. Now she's hot. Everyone wants to know what her magic is. All about her tagline tint drop to you is like she's always noted as Hollywood's favorite additition right so we needed to know her secrets. Yeah Absolutely Jessica Alba. She has been working with her for a long time time. There are also friends and I know at one point. Shawny was working out of like a room and Jessica Alba's like mansion in the act or something like that but she also works with Chrissy Chrissy Teigen and lots more. Yes so I noticed the other day fun fact I was checking out Jennifer Aniston's instagram. Of course she just joined like basically broke the Internet I think she almost has twenty million followers than in like less than a month but of the people that Jennifer Aniston is following. There's only one hundred seventy nine of them. McKay Johnny Darden. Yesterday is one of the people that John Aniston is following. So that's not sure if that's JEN is one of her clients but Maybe maybe we don't know and why did gen join now. I'm actually because she has show to promote Okay morning shell with Reese Witherspoon on Apple. TV okay. I haven't seen it yet but it's it's been everywhere. Remember run JEN Aniston. And Reese Ron friends together. Like sheet reese. Witherspoon played her younger sister. Oh my gosh. There's you just give me the warmest little flash. Yeah so she was the little sister green and she was such a Brat Hilar- kind of reunited and I can't wait to check it out. I I love it I want to check it out to be So when we were in Shawny Darden's day SPA. It was very zen. It's all like bleached wood and you. I know there was like a little trickling waterfall when you came in very zen very odd to weigh down the street. There's like the striker sisters. I think it's like a little beauty hotspot in Beverly Hills that St. Yeah for sure she was even saying that you know when we walked in I was like Oh my God. It smells so good in here and she was like yeah. I developed my own line of candles because I was spending a fortune on candles to make my space smell amazing. And she's like so I developed my own and it was like ambery and just like you felt like you were at home amazing. Yeah that's a good holiday gift idea. Shawny we recommend giving those two all your client and US as well But shawny started out as a model Oh and she I know when we are during our background research. People kept saying that she was a dancer of each music video. Yes and so. We chatted with her about that. aww The Mike and she was like I'm actually not a dancer cannot dance at all but it's one of those things that like once it's out there on the Internet. It just gets recirculated so you you heard it here for the record. She was a model pretending to be a dancer. Not Literally an answer and hip hop videos. Backlit ages because she was so gorgeous she was this cast and a lot of videos But she transitioned out of that and began her career as a licensed aestheticians and she worked alongside dermatologist. Dr Irma Anita's before she struck out on her own and she's also worked at a lot of high end. Spas in Los Angeles to like Kinara Skin. Care Clinic I know that's a really big one and the spot. The Salvator Hotel One of the things that I respect about Shawny I think wrong on that experience. Working at derm office is that she doesn't seem to really go a win for a lot of like skin treatment trends When it comes to getting her clients ready for red carpet events she kind of stays with a few tried and true treatments? That just I really work. Yeah and I respect that. Like that's like Durham's approaches while they're gonNa hit you with that retinol vitamin C the select acid. It's like just those things that that they know work and I feel like that's kind of Shani's approach. So she really talks to us in this episode about what the trio of things are that she she just uses consistently to maintain the red carpet. Ready faces the APP. She when she worked alongside a dermatologist. She was often dealing with very serious. Skin care conditions so these treatments. She was doing almost like prescribed by the dermatologist. So it wasn't like they were just four. They were very results oriented. Yeah Yeah exactly and I think that's a valid point because in this day and age people are starting to ask how effective are facials. What did they do really? And there's no no one who loves a facial massage as much as I do but is it really giving me lasting resolved yet or even a better even take me through the week now. Even mind the Mon- race so so I think that's the thing you go to Shawnee. It's like you're getting these extra treatments. They're having physiological effect on your skin. Let's talk about what those three treatments it's our I. We just wanted to go into a bit more detail. She mentions a lot. Led therapy which is short for light emitting diode and that uses different wavelengths wavelengths of colored light to treat different skin conditions in short the blue wavelengths of light often treat acne and bacteria. That's underneath the skin. So your skin will be clearer error and another big one that's used is red. Led light and that's known to Common Felicien and often get to the source of wrinkles and build up Collagen agenda and promote skin health from Annan. So those are two big ones yet at the biggest difference between led's and lasers is led's don't really address resurfacing. Yeah so so lasers on the other hand. They're great for acne scars. They're great for wrinkles just like mottled skin texture on damage and of and sun damage so so there are two different kinds one of them's more intense than the other. So there's a blade of and non native so a blade of ones they're often referred to as the CO two laser. It's it's basically where you don't WanNA show up in public for a week. Yeah it's fully resurfacing your skin your. I've seen friends who have done it and visually. It's like they're scabs on their face. Afterwards can look pretty intense pretty intense bite. You'RE GONNA get that dramatic result after boom one. Shot right yeah. The Nana Blade of so underway on a blade of is it's only really touching on that outer surface of the skin. It's not going deep down into the tissues so with that one. There's minimal downtime but you might need six to eight sessions for really visible results. Yeah and then just quickly the third treatment that you'll hear shawny talking about is the microcurrent so microcurrent occurrence address sagging and so they help with tightness again not something that led and lasers aren't going to do that's why there's this trifecta because they all do different different thing that's right and microcurrent again like they're very tried and true they have been around since the eighties. The FDA approved microcurrent as a muscle. Stimulator Katrina Bell's Palsy in muscle promises. So she calls him doing exercises for your face. So she's going to name drop some of those in the episode so stay tuned to hear about that. And don't worry if you're driving we're GonNa right all of this on our blog at breaking beatty. PODCASTS DOT COM. She's name dropping all the things you can do at home like you go into her space and of course. There's there's a retail wall there's a you can buy the Shawnee Darden products that she. She makes her manufacturers herself but on the top shelf it's like at home microcurrent home. Led and so and she's like very vocal about that on her instagram to make the low level constant maintenance. That's really the secret to flawless. It's good celebrity skin when people are like. She doesn't look like she's had any work done. That's because they're constantly going in for these little check in appointments with people like Sean Ain't yeah rather than once every five years going in and getting their case blasted off. It's like the micro maintenance. Yeah I know you keep it up. Yeah but those things are expensive so we did ask ask Shawnee to talk about some of the products she uses at home so he's going to talk about her skin care routine. She's going to talk about her favorites for women of Color. She's GonNa talk about a new gym. She discovered for Caritas. Polaris thus those little tiny bumps on the arms are so hard to treat and even a diy skin-care attack that you can find around the house like practically free yeah and most of all Shawnee is very well known for being a huge fan and she has her hero product which is the Shawnee Darden retinal reform unite. Both tried it and I was just looking up the usage because I could tolerate it every single day. I think sensitive have skin types. Maybe once a week you WANNA tip toe into that but people like me who love Iran all my favorite thing about it is on the ingredients list. RETINOL is the second ingredient but she. He also has a cinema in there which is really great to keep that barrier intact and she has lactic acid so if you like to keep your pores clearer in in your skin. Clear and free of wrinkles. It's a really good option yet. But it's like a hundred bucks is funny because I was like ooh instant tingling that one and it was like I felt nothing so so anyway different strokes for different hopefully but we all know retinol is king and not no. Let's get onto her interview. With Hollywood's Queen of the clear complexions Shawny Shawny Darden. Let's take a quick break to hear about one of our show partners head and shoulders chill. You're having a great hair day today. I must say why. Thank you for saying that it means a lot. I just had a bit of O'hare. Faux Pas happened recently. Oh no what happened true story. I was at at a beauty event. There was a hairdresser. There she's chatting me up about this like trendy new hair mask and then kind of out of nowhere just comments on the fact that I have a flaky. Scalp Oh oh dear. I feel like she had your back though. There were good intentions there even though I still wanted to like get out of there immediately so sometimes that does happen to me. I get flaky. Scalp ever let my hair air dry or right after I color my hair. I'm just sensitive that way. Yes so then. What do you do so I put my hair in a ponytail? I high tailed it out of are there and I went directly home to wash my hair because it was the middle of the day on a Tuesday and I can do that as a freelancer. Yeah so I went back to a staple for managing my flakes flakes and Dandruff and that is of course head and shoulders which is completely nostalgic for me because we always had it in my shower growing up. Yeah me too. But they've totally really had a glow up recently. Yes so I use the smooth and Silky collection and it has skin inspired scout benefits that create a healthy foundation for hair air to grow. But it still works really well to get rid of flakes and Dandruff and it's totally color safe. Yeah that's important for us. Go to the salon ones among. Yeah I tried it to the conditioner is now infused with more and moisturizers than it's ever had before so that's great for scalp care but also I was seriously impressed with how Silky not and soft mayor felt and there was no Fred's amazing. You know I love a great drugstore by and this is definitely one of them so take your skin routine to the next level today a by getting your own collection at head and shoulders dot com. We will link to it in our show notes that's head and shoulders dot com and now back to today's episode so you work with famous faces. Are you allowed to say any names. I hate saying the name so I don't usually you could ask me and I could say a yes or no but I don't really like to talk about. I mean obviously everybody knows Jessica Alba yes WHO's one of my best friends now? That's how I met her. I've been seeing her for years. There's a lot of them beyond say at Coachella. I wouldn't say that okay. Fake News News. Talk Hey fake beauty news. I don't think you could ever tell that secret if it was true. Okay right yeah. Yeah you're down with God's truth Okay and so you mentioned Jessica Alba and you do the honest company facial here. We're in your new studio. And this is the only place where he can get it. Yes how did that come about. We've just you know since we've been doing this for a while now. And she came out with her products six and I think it's really great. People want clean now and it just was made sense What does it entail? What is an honest facial you just get really real and you like your pores? These are all the same but it's just all clean product so a lot of people just want to have everything completely clean and her brand is that and then also it's also pregnancy safe. My facials are for people that are pregnant to they really want something you know as clean as possible. I want to get this back story because I know you said you had an a space in your house before. But did you also used to work in Jessica Alba's house or for a time so far unlike her guest house or something funding so I worked at a SPA. I was leaving the SPA and I didn't know where I was going to go and we weren't even like we were friends ends but like it wasn't like that we were best friends at that point and she was like. Oh I'm staying in a rental home and and there's a backlash there's a like an office choose. I want you to just set up their own. My God convenient for her. It was but it was just so versatile it's so nice and so awesome but also like she didn't really know me so it's just like to take a chance with me and I was like so I just bring my clients there and she was as I gather is a separate door. It's fine wow so I was there for kind of a while it was sort of crazy. Yeah and up my whole setup there and she didn't care at all and and then finally I moved in. I went to a doctor's office and that was my last place before I moved. I started doing out in the back of my house. Um but yeah. Let's talk back a little bit and just like how you started working in like Durham's offices and how you sort of got your skin care training. I lucked out when when I was working at one of the spas. The girls they are had a few of them had worked for. This wonder mythologised and they were like. This is the best thing that could ever happen for. You is go go work for her and she trusted them and I started working for her right out of school so I think for sure that. That's that's where I got all my training because you just see so much you see people with really bad acne means rashes and you work with really strong peels so I got to see it all and so by the time that I went on my own I sort of just I had it. As far as that rate so the Durham would like diagnose them or say you have psoriasis. You have axiom. I or whatever and then Prescribe Abbott treatment. And you would do. I would give them a facial and then she would come in at the and say okay. We're GONNA switch this medication or this whatever you need to do so and also you saw those same people was covered under insurance so you saw them sometimes weekly right so you really. You knew what they were going through so it was pretty pretty amazing. I wish there were more places like that. 'cause awesome that's kind of like a very unique set up. Is that where you got introduced to retinal or so. That's when I fell in love with retina I I worked with a couple of women there that I I shouldn't even say but I bet you they were maybe early sixties and I got to see how amazing their skit you know what they had been on retin-a forever and they just had the most perfect skin ever like. It was the clearest wrinkle free skin and I was like I'm obsessed. Yeah that was kind of it for me And then also what it does for acting because a lot of these people start using retinol for acne and the and now what we've seen what it does for anti-aging yeah see really can use it ongoingly. Yes and if you're on a prescription retinal in your skin can handle it beyond a prescription prescription retinol forever. I mean I would be. I mean your skin is definitely more sensitive but for me I would rather do that than filler and Botox. If that was you know that's my feeling on it. So we're sitting in your treatment room right now. I want to touch everything. We've got a light stem over here for for acne and says Yup we've got an herb tower behind Carleen. I don't know what that does this thing looks like it belongs on Star Trek. That's an oxygen dome that it helps to regenerate your cells. That's one of my favorite things ever really. What do you do? You put the thing on top. You're usually you do like a nice mask and then that goes over you and I mean it's super relaxing so oxygen facials are still thing. Yeah you can also use the wand but we typically use that because you can use the mask as well okay and then led light. I'm very big on. It's important and then we do a lot of microcurrent. Do The red light the blue light so that machine machine has red and blue okay. So it's acne and for anti aging all in one okay. I think I've heard about green lately. Sir Green Rain is for pigmentation okay but typically I feel like red and blue is all you. You really need I think you get the best results with using both of them. And so this is the panel we use for everyone so if someone came in and they do have like a lot of acne acne scarring. Is this light stem professional acne. Led that's what you would recommend for them and then how many treatments till they see a result. If someone's breaking out pretty bad I mean if they come in like that first week everyday hey just for the light right I would tell them to but otherwise I mean. That's not hard for people so you know I try to get them during the facial at least to get a good twenty to thirty minutes. Let's of the light and it makes a difference but you can definitely speed things up if you use it more often and the ideas that it's killing. The bacteria underneath kills Korea speeds up healing and then boost collagen decreases. Fine Lines and wrinkles So almost everyone can really yes for sure. Having a at home one is really important to. Oh which one do you recommend. I love the Desi which is not inherits the mass okay. But it's expensive. I think the dead I see is nine thousand. Nine hundred dollars. Light stem has a hand held. One that you can use either for acne or for anti aging and it's like one fifty two to fifty thank you. I think I saw some bricks exterior. hand-held ones are great. It's just that you have to. You have to hold it minutes per area so if you're not a person that's going to put that time and then got it right. Yeah let's pause to introduce one of our new show partners acuity scheduling. So we know that a lot of our listeners are self south-made boss Babes just like Shani Darden you might ask petition or a nail tack or hairdresser and you've got get your own business you don't have a receptionist yet but you're in demand. What do you do so we want to tell you about acuity scheduling? So it's a square space company. And you really Wanna I think about it like it's a twenty four seven online assistant so your clients can quickly view your real time. Availability Self Book. Their own appointments reschedule with Clegg Clegg. Everything is at their fingertips even paying your they can even pay online. That's amazing you don't even need a cash register. 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It really liberates you from the day to day drudgery of having to keep up with your clients and your busy schedule ritual so for a limited time only you can get forty five days of acuity scheduling absolutely free. There's no credit card required all you have to do is jump on over to acuity scheduling dot com slash breaking beauty. That's a C U I T Y SCHEDULING DOT COM slash breaking beauty. We will link to it in our show notes and on our blog now back to today's episode. We've kind of talked about like what's trending. What's kind of bogus right now? In your opinion in terms of stuff you've been reading about it a lot on social media or in the media or that you know of other clinics in Beverly Hills or like or botches botches lanny online. I think that we're doing a lot of too much. There's too many lasers there's like there's just too much and I think people are overdoing it and I think people or damaging their skin. So that's what I can say. I mean I feel like we always. There's always a new laser out. I think that's really a lot of lasers allow delays. So and what happens if you overdo laser end up getting more pigmentation Your skin starts to look like kind of rough and almost leathery three. Just have to be careful even for people I know one of my clients was doing so much and I got her to just stop and even now she says it's because I stopped. Stop doing all that stuff. You can't overdo it. There's probably a temptation here to where it's like. You get so much sun then you start to see the sunspots and then you're like go by Amazon right then it's just like a vicious cycle on your like getting rid of the hyper pigmentation. Then going back in the sun right and also if you're going to go in the sun if that's your life then don't get laser no just exempt. Yeah 'cause it's GonNa come back You can get a laser treatment to get rid of everything and the soon as you get like if you go go to Hawaii and it's really hot. It's coming back. Yeah so it's like you gotta be a little bit more gentle and for anyone who hasn't gotten a laser her I mean I don't know your maybe it's a different treatment. But what's the one where it's like people literally have. Almost it almost like scabs on their face like the pigmentation is really they cut out in it. That's kind of it is out of them. There's like laser so I mean a lot of them. Do that where you have coffee grains all over your face it looks like yeah And then it falls off so people should expect that that's okay. Yeah Yeah you want that okay. You did a laser for Brown spots and that didn't happen. It's not. They're not. Yeah yeah things happen so the process is it's going to it's going to bring it out it's GonNa fall off and then you're gonNA have that fresh baby skin on area. You have to really be careful yes for that you just said you have to be really careful. Who you're going to? And like leaser lasers can get overheated yet. I saw I wish I wonder what he he looks like. Now when I worked at the doctor's office not Dr be another doctor. This man came in and he had gotten a laser treatment. He actually got like it was a discount. I'm not gonNA say from where he had come in and he was they laser D- I don't remember if I don't think it was for hair removal and and ended up. He ended up having stripes zebras zero and they'd alloway see because that's how they had burned his face. Yeah and AH I remember the doctor getting me taking you. SIT DOWN AND HELP HIM IS I. Don't go to a disk like that's I felt so bad for him. Yeah you just have to pray and hope your colour comes back back because I thought a lot you can do for that over time. It gets better but Willia- go away because it's like your skin has a memory for all of that stuff and it's like it is is just damage like it's and they are heat and light at the end of the day it goes on your skin and so they can be too hot for sure. Yeah and what about for women of Color Holler like have lasers sort of evolved or have to be really careful. That's another I mean. Most doctors aren't GonNa WanNa do it. You just it's risky. I'm also like backfire. And all of a sudden you get pigmentation. You didn't have before so you have to be careful. How do you like for listener? What might be your advice? Yes in terms of how to find someone. Just don't think it's something you should just jump into and you definitely I would see a nurse or a doctor buying off off. I would personally see a doctor but you know so you have to really. There's some great people out here but I WANNA be careful face. Yeah exactly and yeah. There's always like all these red carpet rolled out in Hollywood no matter what time of year but we have like the Golden Globes are coming up in January Saga Wards Oscars like what type of treatments consistently doing to get skin looking good for those events and on camera and with the newest thing that you personally like are obsessed with light. Chemical local appeals. I always do before someone has an event a of day before microcurrent light. Usually it depends like if I'm seeing someone for the whole facial that's one thing but if not I'm good at least make sure that they get the peel and microcurrent and a little light. What is it my current do again? It's like exercise for your muscles so it's low level electric current that is exercising your muscles so if you if we're using that all the time we wouldn't sag the original face Jim Yeah Ask You WANNA start early and you WANNA also if you're doing it and facials you WanNa have an at home device that you're using in between if somebody was looking for that in like their city what would they look. Look at a spot. They wanted to get that micro like status long hours At Home I love the new face. Pro which is the professional version of the at home that they sell and like. How far out would you be doing like the chemical like the light? Peel the micron like is it like day of or I I know all the clients that I see so I would. I can do them the day of and we. I know it's going to happen Or Day before but if it was someone new I I would do a week the first just to make sure yeah go a week be. Yeah Yeah you WanNa make sure you never know. I mean you can have a reaction to anything. Do you have any behind the scenes moments where somebody was having like a bit of a adverse reaction on your table. What did you do when I started at the Durham's office? This was when I had first I started. I did someone I had asked her everything to. I had asked her what she had used on her skin before. Had she used her topical prescription before that I was about to do the peel and she said no and I did the peel on her and her whole skin turned white is more like her neck and I knew shape called frosting. It was basically burning her skin and I was looking like. Oh my God. So I started to neutralize and I was like and I could tell it must have hurt too and I was like is. Is there anything else you could have done. Cheer Skin like that. You could tell me about and she was like Oh. I used a Brillo pad on my end before. So she had been breaking out and freaked out and didn't know what to do so she use a Brillo pad the day before. Oh so the peel and thank God. She admitted it. Because I was like you know I was new there. Yes because of that. That was probably my biggest like yeah. That's why not afraid of anything. After that moment 'cause I died I was like You need to tell people if you also know US Brillo pad but it's outweigh the lyrics. People will go to China. Fixer had perfect perfect skin and so she had a she had previously had perfect skin and she was having like some sort of hormonal breakout and she just tripped out and thought maybe if I scratch it aw with a Brillo pad it'll be okay. Wow sting frosting Yao will turn white. You can see immediately. How your the person's actually burning morning my good leg is there like Oh my God but that was probably my biggest? I'll always remember that. And then so you were able to neutralize it and then it came is it but then you know she had to go. Oh through like it not feeling good for as and then also peeling. Wow My Gosh what's a great lakes soothing. Remedy that you have for people people who you know maybe not that extreme but now I love aloe. Yeah I use a lot aloe on everything I think it's really calming. It's hydrating that helps a lot with rashes. If you don't I mean sometimes you need cortisone but right yeah do you just break it right off plant or do you. I had one that I I use but if you have the plant for sure my mom used to always do that. You can get a Lotta good ones from whole foods or air one. Hey Hey can we take a beauty history break for a second. Let's do it. We have partnered with all may and they are a trusted makeup. must for sensitive skin types. Like US Carleen K.. So let's rewind back to nineteen thirty when Alma launched just as one of the first Hypo allergenic fragrance free cosmetic brands now. Many people know this but the story of elmes actually a love story a chemist by the name of Alfred Alfred. WHOA teeths created the line for his wife? Fannie Mae who had a complexion so delicate she couldn't use any of the potions and pigments available at the time. Oh I get added only as their names put together so as Al from Alfred and May from Fannie Mae so that's very cute and we know that even to this day all of elmaze as products are rigorously tested by dermatologists to make sure all skin types can use it. We're all about breakthrough products here on our podcast. And one of the most iconic products products has to be the all may smart shade skin tone matching foundation and it was really a revelation at the time so it instantly transforms from white when you take it out of the tube and then when you blend it on the skin it seamlessly in magically blends into your perfect shade. It's really amazing. Yeah so it's like a self adjusting foundation. Sunday should actively amazing. The Mascara is the GO-TO for me. I recommended it to so many people who asked me which Mascara is. Great for sensitive is or people with contacts this one is ophthalmologists tested and it doesn't smudge. It's easy to wash off. It's great for people who don't like us. You know the lip vibes lipsticks. You've talked about those before for. What was your favorite shade? So I love the Matt Orangey red called Smile. It's so bright and beautiful. If you guys WanNa try any of the things we just mentioned Dan we have a deal for breaking beauty listeners. Based in Canada right. Now if you go to the nearest Walmart or Wal Mart dossier you can pick up any to lip products or any too. I products for just fourteen dollars. WHOA that's a steal happy shopping and now back to today's episode? We wanted to ask you about just some them at home routines as well because we have a lot of listeners. Who are women of color and their psych? They have such specific concerns. And they're like we said like all of these lasers and whatnot that you can use at home. They're not always safe to using so in. Terms of finding a routine are finding a device that would work well for women of Color. Do you have any recommendations hence women of color tend to get dark spots and they last for a long time I think using a good retinol product can help a lot. There's also bleaching creams if you have to go that route that you can use you can get from Dr which is usually like a tretinoin and hydrocortisone mix that I love that you can use a spot treat the area I I use that for. That helps a lot but there's so many new ones out that you can try with Kojic acid. Dr Dennis Gross has one. I know a lot of people like the one. He has a can't remember the name but there are a lot of products you can use without doing laser. It just takes time and also the fact that a lot of people don't use sunscreen and then you get to that point where now you dark art spots and you're wondering why it's everybody has to use sunscreen right. Yeah Right. What's your favorite one? My favorite one is I love supergroup That's my favorite line of sunscreens. And they have a sunscreen for everyone. Yeah that's the one that's literally called for everyone. No it's everyday sunshine days my favorite. But they have a bunch of they have an oil free one that's unseen they just have so many. Yeah what do you try to avoid or what do you look for and good skin care. I just have so many products that I already love like I use a lot of is clinical. And they're just like it's all serum base so they're all They have a high concentration of active ingredients. So I don't really really switch a lot to be honest. The SORTA found them. I will try things but typically I feel like I've got like I I'll try of everyone's freaking data about new product. I'll try it. Have you heard of this purging idea that you know after you try a new product your skin kinda purges. Yes so it happens. More often often with Prescription okay like a prescription retinol. You'RE GONNA break out for a while but I do think there's you know there's a period of time when you start start using products where like especially if you use all new products PROBABLY NOT GONNA go well but using a retinal you should give it a a little bit of time before you say. Oh this isn't working because it can cause some breakouts. Yeah okay so like The whole notion of purging. It's okay for your skin to do you that yes but I would say it's typically for something that's much stronger. Got Him restriction retinol. You're going to get worse before you get better typically clean yeah let it go through its processes right and what about layering products. What's your favorite way to apply Kerley? What's your morning routine thinnest? It's the thickest. I'm really simple in the morning. I just cleanse. I use a vitamin C.. Ceremony sunscreen. Yeah and then. At night I cleanse. I typically just use retinol. Aw Mom ice cream i-it's foliage once a week An moisturizer after ask you something about retinal eye creams because this is like ah I feel like this. Is the right now again. Going back to instincts. Normally I wouldn't put retinol dot close to my i. I mean I know crows feet and stuff. What's your take? I use retinol so far up around my own but yeah I'm all for a a retinal. I gram yeah for sure and when you use your retinal you're famous. Product is retinol reform rain. So that's a serum What do you do after that? What do you put a moisturizer on top of if you're oily you don't need to right otherwise so like when you go to bed you just put that on? Wendy recommend people use glycolysis verses rotten all by the way. These are all questions from ice. Canton your so. I always them. You want to use a retinol but if you we're using the glide colic for like breakouts I would probably alternate so like I noticed you have the doctor Denis Piel out there how do you use that dials together ever. We'll I use them together but I always tell people don't start using them to gather eights so you WANNA use them opposite nights but your skin can handle it down the align than you would do the peel pads and then the red okay. I know you try lot. Let's hear maybe something you've tried. Recently that you thought was worth hype for skincare. Will there have been products. It's like that I've brought in so like I'm Byron. They had their eye Gel am obsessed with that that has retinol in it. Also have this body treatment which is vitamin A.. I E in C and then you mix it with lactic acid And it's so good. It's also really good for America's Pereira's O- on the arm super obsessed with that. Take everything that I fall in love with. I usually just yeah get in. Yeah and so. What's on your legs right now? Because you can't see because Shani's wearing at like Jean Jordana Blazer. She looks really cute. But your legs are like so glossy. That's what I have on. Oh I'm not GonNa lie to just the way sent over. They dislike their body body and I threw on some of that to test it out. Yeah that's what I use. Every day is the oil. That's been my new thing because it helps to even out your skin tone tale And it smooths away all those little bumps that people get. Yeah so it's lactic acid use. I can wear it out in the sun. Yeah where you have two different. It's two different oils and you mix them easy. 'cause I'm really low maintenance yeah when it comes not in life but winter skin carry on yeah and if it it was hard I wouldn't even be able to do it so I love that. Okay as far as any other new ones would let judy like lip balm or something. My favorite is I'm obsessed us with lip gloss. That's all I I'm yeah ways you have. She's also because you can't see minimal if any makeup Brian rouse browsing a bomb the browser and all mine audrey glass did those browse. Just so you know. I had the micro bladed in good gloss. I use Chanel lip gloss. I can't live without it but other than that I use supergroup gloss with SPF I don't WanNa get Brown spots on my lips. Yeah right smart okay. I know that you're a mom of two right. What's your favorite like skin hack? Flynn you're attired AF mom out there and you need to make your skin look good. I mean appeal pads always the best thing that I fear skins feeling doll yen ice chemical. It's folate always. Yeah for her. Do you have a diy facial recipe that you ever tried that you lakes or that you have heard is trending you know when people like mashed potato auto and I don't I'm not. I don't do that. I actually never. I've been asked this ally and I don't have one. Yeah I've never I mean I used to whip up mass when I was in like when I was like eight but I don't remember what I was putting in those mass but rarely force my friends to wear them all like that. Was My thing something weird that I would put on them but now I don't have a I mean there's so many just good mass out there even like affordable ones yeah. I think that's pretty unusual. That at eight you're making face. Motta was is away obsessed like. That's all I cared about. Really whipping them up. Yeah Yeah you had put so weird thing. 'cause I always say when you find what you're supposed to do it just makes sense and I I didn't know when I came here that this is what I was supposed to do. You but looking back or talking to my friends from home. They're like dude like that's all you did was harassing us. Thanks for tuning. Dan Visit Breaking Beauty. PODCAST DOT COM for details on all the damn good products. We talked about in today's episode. And be sure to sign up for our newsletter. 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SurvivorAU Know-It-Oz | Week 10 (Ep 21 & 22)

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SurvivorAU Know-It-Oz | Week 10 (Ep 21 & 22)

"Yeah. Beauties new all in one hair-color kits, make it easy to color your hair at home, get everything you need to call her putatively radiant results loved by professionals, open to everyone. Sally beauty. Elevate Ron, welcome back to the Ponente week, all the strategy in Savar on your Husni Dan's as the savvy nodoze on cough, and I am super excited to welcome guests. He's going to help me break it down and I'm just going to cut straight to of its xenon himself entering it who said, Henry welcome to the podcast. Thanks. How great bay on the rap podcast with you. We got to chat loss g. when we kind of did a deep dive into your game, absolutely love loved that, and we need to definitely get you want again to discuss everything. Yeah, it's great. And now I've seen most of the house as in, so it'd be really good to actually Breiqa Dan and had a lot of information bond us on overplays Henry. We're going to get into the episodes and all that in a second. But let's just a general catch out because I'm sure the the listens would love to hear from someone who definitely made season two strains of what it was and that was yourself. And I'm sure people would love to hear what you have been up to and what you've been doing since we lost loss g because you and I have hung out, plenty times being from the same city, but everyone else wants to know what you've been out. Yeah, not so much. Just fun along started a masses of teaching degree which should be finished next year and just some other campaigns Charis. But to be honest enough about. The cost. So such a modest, you don't wanna talk. I'm sure you can go onto Instagram and you can, and you can hear all of that. We've even got you on Twitter this you haven't Wayne. Yeah, you got me on Twitter off the first with Russell hand. So you'll price more watching and tweet? Auntie on episode Bava if Ivan remember, but absolutely darn fall. I made. I just let me sign my things and pace. On his thing. You would have to be the first reality TV contestant who is ever going on a podcast and said, don't all of them. And I honestly made like my tweets just for may and muscle leg friends that actually look at the guy who signs make a lot of look. It's completely different and that's why I love this guy this device and look at it to break it down to lock it to hide it side. That's what Twitter. I'd say everyone's kind of ID's only guy. That's why I love you pretty you pretty crippling Twitter in the fact that you refuse to get a profile pitch for about two months, but we've actually, we will you down you gotta profile teach. The next thing is we need the people pal everyone. We need to kind of way him down to get like an actual bene-. Each of bene- of talk. This one is that a my next thing was like a buyer. Chill Postle. Henry. If anyone would elect to reach Henry some tips on out of run his be. Because so much to talk about because this is the loss podcast before the finale and you and I and a couple of heading up to new record the finale this weekend, and that will end next week. So this is really a last chance to tool savant before it's all kind of done Dustin how you feeling about this season as a whole going into the Nollie. Yeah, like on start over the shore, the style of this as in how God's having ashtrays. And previously, I think just absolutely without being a fan and opening on the shot, and it's tough to like it's talking now because we can actually kinda look at the whole season as a whole as one thing, Robin being like, all this week was good. This week was bad. We kinda Luca Danni such a long say's in this drawing format. So it's kind of good to have that whole picture that you can. It's on and it's basically carriages to because get picked apart by wake, but it's really good to say everything and I'm just starting to be able to watch the finale as a fan law and with you in couple good night's and stuff. So. Well, it's you have said that you do through lock. You are banned the season. You have been able to kind of sit back and enjoy all the four people left. Who are you rooting for? Like going into knowledge, you had to pick just one person who who is. That's because it's it's a good fun for its fun for in terms of gyn, think Sean in terms of like character, some on the ball on the Bron. But if you're taking off the cost, but yeah, probably those two and I'm not going to copy between them run out. The character and driving nets while of my favorite characters who bad ties who Maas over in that category just really good pliers and stuff like that. So exciting to watch. So I want to just start it. And so two episodes this week in the second half said Monica. So we finally have some females on the jury, and there was a lot of good stuff actually that we could of compa I wanna stop. We talking Chanel shawny Fennell going into this episode. This is the last to say inaction on the beach together, and I thought there was some really interesting stuff about what show of Panella was saying about, you know, the people, the people in the shadows of the one that you should be looking out for and that people. The two long for people to tweet onto them as this kind of how couple what is it lie? What do you think they have been so successful in this game and made all the way seeks and or even beyond potentially, where we have huge credit to them because even having that nickname Chanel which is being golfer bit now, like it was so evident that I would. 'cause definitely to the viewer from the start. And I do believe that the cost members also other the new as well. So that's like power to them that I can still get going further with three to whoever that wanna go for. So I don't know what it is. Is it just pure social. Bonding that I can connect with everyone is having a lot, you know that funny and friendly on the outside, but actually in the back of their heads, they're just perfectly maneuvering to the end. But like the one of the best, our couples definitely these guys saying, but like it's crazy. I can't believe that. You know, we were so adamant on getting out how couples out. I was like a big thing now guy, but just done purely. So what do you think. Yeah, yeah, I think he's crazy. Like I think they. They. Such an obvious pairing, and it's been very, has been obvious since way back in early contenders when we talk about that when it was seven contenders left, it was three pays and hygienic run like it was pretty clear then it's pretty crazy. I feel like the the best said is on the phone. The thing that you can heartful the most when you play sevada it's not that you're going to get confessionals is not funding autos. It's not being challenged base. The number one thing you want insa Vavra. Is someone who has your back implicitly schone infidel. There was just no weld where I would turn on each other at least not before the final final three and even then doubt would. And I just feel that is the rarest most precious thing you can get in any survivor game and auditing. Anything else comes close. Yeah, it's crazy, and even lied. I'd like it's crazy that it was too, even that that reward with Matt Rajdhani was shown to knows I get shunning to like open have dedicated. I were to each other like that's how good I have to be righted for the dime pie to get as far as I do to get like she Koussa, she calls her lost partner business partner, her snuggled buddy on. Invested by what am I next? Because. Funny Chanel for the amazing race Chanel vogue monkey chin rules Chanel for the blow, whatever it is. More Chanel? Yeah. So so what happens in this episode is Sean kind of concoct this plan. She realizes that the lost couple of episodes she's been balking up the Monica tree, it ain't working. She says, she's going to try and get shawny in Fennell on board. I absolutely loved the attempt because I feel like that was definitely what I would have tried because. Who could who could work with Monica. She's, she's rebuffed you twice like she doesn't want to. So I appreciate that Shawn win and tried that, but what did you think about the way that Fennell pretty quickly, like kind of smack down and kind of like shot showdown is once again, it's to the point and there's like, I think drought assays in this bane a bit of. Toy can with what they're thinking in a sense like come forward and be like, oh, yeah, look down. Like while I wanted to like rather than more like, oh yeah, that's an option like Trump on side. So I think as is. As is to be like a lot of truth to what I side rather than keep it to themselves. You're gonna go shanty. Shanti. You gotta go and try things when you're at us, died side, you gotta give it well, and we find out like find out for the how much then. Okay. Like. Sean is a really good player. I think she's going to win and it'd be really happy if she won. But I think that she has this wishy kind of told to people in a way that isn't doesn't make them feel like it's in their best interest or be that they're coming up with the idea like she says to them, she, she, she basically and shawny mention this after what she basically says that she can firms that Sean in Fennell going to the top full with Brian and Monica, not incentivizing them, and it's the same thing that happened last week Monaco, you know. You know, like you have to kind of like incentivize them in some way. And I just thought that was that was if you had to kind of like. Some of the oversights Shawn's game. I think that's one of the. I like that and think that it's good. What did you think about Sean funding? The auto? Yeah, that was good credit to you get a search for and didn't even say it, was that true? It wasn't. It was just kind of just run juice ri- there. There's a lot of things about. Potted Stafan. I walked into a coup on a wealth, so I can't really, really tool, but. Yeah, I think it's crazy how many autos are in the guy when it is pretty crazy, hide one of the time and that had to be going phone. Five to have another one is interesting, and I don't really know the full laws about autos that go on to you. On. Laws general rule seems to be that when one gets played and gets reheated in, but like I just feel like so much of it is at the produces discretion in the moment. If things are waning in the shy and it's looking like it could do some spice, they'll put a clue out. They'll put an auto out there, and I think that they would be opposed to put out another one, just some some of it. 'cause that troubles gripe then. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah, I loved the big auto fan, like I'm a big twists and interns. Connie Gama be kinda Playa on four and yeah, it was. She's looking for like anyone goes for good on him. That's awesome. People in tweeted saying, oh, semi autos this season while they have been a lot of autos, they haven't been that many eventually been played all like even even impacted the game in any way in the way that they've been played like he's great. And this is this every other auto has even gone out with someone in poker or it's gone and hasn't actually affected the Benji did with Shawn's auto and Henry of Sora have to bring it up. And so sorry, and you knew it was coming. Yeah. Last year you are the person who went home with an audit and you'll talk Brian, and it was a big. It was a big story. What a dumb absolute. How do they have. God. Oh, what. The legend I got from America become over this guy. The people like Russell Benjamin. Arguably of really good survive applies. So. You vindicate been vindicated. Justice for Henry Justice fin? Yeah, we didn't have any about auto pieds tour with correct. Yeah, I think by the time we got to top off his e seeks wasn't even just like like having another unsuccessful one. And then again, majority are unsuccessful than successful and it's now becoming. I don't know. Like obviously you want to know is, is the power of the auto, like always loved having and my back pocket because I knew no-one had one like that is probably the most. One of the most advantage is things about having auto this season. This as like apart from this Brian should be thinking going on. This should really be no. But then again, you know, like that was an interesting point. When the kind of the autos that have come from different beaches, and when they converge at the age those autos than they were a couple of threads of autos that kind of running through the guy that went once. One of them played it in kind of gets reheat so they can be a couple of threads going. It doesn't mean that they that you'll the only one. So I feel like you can only really Bank on that in the pre merge ocean of the game pre-marriage many trace the Shen of the gun. I'm really glad that Sean didn't approve out this auto when she she did for tuck it into pants and then kind of start running. It's going to happen again. I think she looked she. Got to go to that anyone pace. So I want to talk about these just before this trouble council. So this was the discussion coming out of the way Brian has had he rose so high. And in this week he had some really, really big blunders. So just to race set before the vote, we have this Sean and shine a going to vote to votes on vanilla and the full. The leftovers of the Mighty Ducks are going to do a split to two should be pretty easy. Just in case someone has an auto flush auto. It all seems pretty hunky, Dory. And then Ryan decides to Fennell and Fennell. Sorry, vote Fashanu as well and finale goes home. Well, we all thoughts on what Bryan for me. It was a blunder wasn't by annoy the first thing. Next episode really China's everything. In terms of what broad says about it. I don't believe it, but I thought it was a blunder and also think not position. Shawny vanilla could've made it easier. I should've been like look way going to bay the ones the voting for. Shine shine. So those two are the ones that are very for shine. So Brian has to Sean about a what, if Sean, yes, Ron is the one that's on the fence and then suddenly comes back to and says, owner, shonda. All right, YouTube workshop, we will shine. So no matter what Brian con if it up because he's has to vote, Sean has the shot so again, so that's for sure. Could've done because yeah, because I could have I could've worked well and then Bron wouldn't be able to supposedly want it to fall on. We do know about the auto even though he. I don't believe the story second go and get to that. Yeah, there's a couple of things on pack there. I think you raise a really good point and this is a point I learned being out there playing the game which have since spoken about on the podcast when you're in an alliance, and there are people who can't trust that they're going to stick with. You need to put on this. It's not really a one for one situation in this case, but you need to put them on the votes that aren't going to matter. Yeah, you know, that's it's more to do like a split with a majority minority the people that you really trust on the majority and it's also a bit of a signal for you. The people trust you and your alliance, if you get really gated to the minority. But in this instance, it's a little bit different, but I do think that you rise a really good point. I hadn't thought of that if he seems like he wants to vote for Sean, give him the chance to vote for Sean and just throw it on him. And yet you guys do and we'll for Cheyenne. And that will probably mitigate the idea about, I guess I would have to be thinking really far ahead in terms of like, is he going to flip? Why's he? So dead said, did kind of look like he was just kind of batting ideas around. This is from a deal when it'd be like. Yeah, I think he. It out correctly. The way I could have snow could have stopped that from happening. And that's pretty good. The the one thing though is that you don't wanna be swapping the a loss minute. Okay. We were doing shining you doing Sean, okay. No, no, let's swap back, especially within ninety. Sounds so similar feel like yes, sometimes it's just making it as smooth as possible, but I think he resit really good point there. What did you think about the whole. Shine shine and Sean. Appealing to his ego and making him through side doing acting because they got a lot of credit for flipping him and not flipping him convincing him Omarosa vote, Sean, do you actually give them any credit onto you? Just think that he was going to do that, no matter what they said and the only credit we can give Sean that she founded by the auto. Yeah, I. Don't give it shoot dramatic credit just because I know what you can do it up. Yeah, I think really. What do you mean by that? What you can build up? There's I, that's the selling I wanted from talking about, like. Yeah, just based on like, all right. If we want to sell the move to someone, how can we. The story line to make it same like this. And if you don't show the shying confessionals of talking about on boss, beauty, mop and stuff like that, then the moves nothing to do with it. So basically you can. Eight it the storyline to five somebody about a move. So if we see something that shine does like I wouldn't even call it like. Trying to Chom Brian. I think he pointed his boss it and was like, you know. I look into this Bassett or something like that, and it wasn't like all year of you. I everything which is what they kind of feel. For some reason I won't shine and Sean to pulled the strains on Brana bit more than what our idea. I think Bron one of the scalp and he wanted to put Shawn's down and get her out because I think he knows how good she's has Playa thing that was evidence that episode that up. Again, this is sick, but there's another thing that I wanna talk to you about and just before we move on, you mentioned that schone vanilla like did they could have done a little bit more in terms of figuring out a way for not to full back on them. But I thought what was interesting is that schone and vanilla shawny knew she had to read again. She had the run rate. She said about high confessional because I believe that was a day off to confess. When she was like, no, we're not switching the plan in the moment in the conversation, initial idea was to put the votes on Shane or not to keep us keep it on the two. And Bryan came in and Ryo rooted her again. And it's very similar to what happened in the previous episodes where like he is kind of like come in, wrestled the idea why from shoddy and Fennell when they have the right read in the game and a con of like then blows up in his face because I feel like he in his mind thinks that he's running strategy for role of them. And I think that's his title oversaw. I don't know whether it's he's cocky is cocky, cocky, he will have throwing that idea that went out there on Barbara and it is true to some extent. But I think a lot of is just that he over estimates how much strategic acumen? He brings to the group and. Underestimates how much they actually do as well. Yeah, I think that is a massive against foreign bras concept because on. Got frustrated with me because I wanted to move, and I was instead of letting people think that they're part of the decision or that it's their move. And I think that's brew to brilliance, of plays, making the move and making other things that they're pulling the strings. But Stu having enough of the jury believed that shoe. So that's like a perfect client. So I think and even at the challenges and stuff like you say, Bron conned of site, shawnee, it's kind of like he's the dictator, and he is kind of running the show. So it's, it's, it's the your is Sean. It wasn't in a confessional so's one hundred percent pure just in conversation that's tried to. The thing, the amount. Awesome. That stuff. So you're on about, she's on the money. But yeah, I think Braun, it's gotta be bronze, why? And you can get like that when you on a row Cape putting those scouts on, then you wanna be like, yes, this was my move. And if he voted for shine originally and then had to rave out for even if Sean didn't pie, the auto had to rave Fashanu I think he was digging move is if you just push down ridge. Definitely. Yeah. He's definitely noted the mood, but like he could have got he was so close to getting the exact same thing that he would have wanted anyway, it's not like exam. I if I don't flip my vote, if I don't flee my, there's no Cianci downs going home. No, they're still very, very, very high John. She's going home now. Granted didn't happen because she did have the auto, but like it's not like it was this do-or-die thing where it's like the only way Sean go home is over now because that has the same amount of power you voting for then as on a spooky because the auto could cancel both of those plans. So it's not like one plan was better than the other. In fact, he's planning to switch. It was inherently words, and I think people get super lost about booting regime and it's like if you make one good move to good news, that's general enough. Like the other is are the void and Mike one or two. On the bottom did he made some really good moves early age? So like you can just close to the end and were massive child's, but then wanting every single move and on a beauty of two, I wanted every single move and I wanted to have regime. I walk in there and basically word and I'll give me the money. Donate apply these incr- Walters, backing couple of good moves. And if he wants to take a Shino Monica in terms of strived to resume, he's probably done enough. So just call east coast too. I think that's a really good point. I think it's a toll to the idea of a strategy and Savar, especially one of the best skews you can have is restrained. Like it's it's not every fleshy Tony block off stay. It's it's it's restraint knowing when to hold them, know when to fold them kind of thing. So. And I think that they segues really nicely into the beginning of the next episode, which is web, Brian comes back from travel council and says. To dual. Now we've already touched on, but I just want to kind of go through the reasons why I call. On Brian on that moment because that is one hundred percent north one happen and and I would love to maybe the finale I'm going to press through him, but like I would love to be like, dude, it's just you and me. No one's listening just you can just say. You can just say, you can say. Because this is what happens. You happen to travel council econ. Talk to explain what happened, then have the whole journey back to camp where you're in lockdown told you on the letter token to you walk back into camp. He has there about how long Henry, half an hour, an hour maybe longer to formulate exactly what he's going to say when he camera when the producer pools him over in the middle of the night to go and see over and talk about his view on on what happened. He definitely been caught it an idea that about him doing it on purpose and give him credit. You have to do that because you have to make it look like to shawny, have to protect your image to shawny great. But what I will not abroad is lying to the audience. Mata shawny loss. Ahead. Bows? Well. Didn't know that the auto. And if you knew then maybe like econ kinda. Yeah, for sure. And on tweeted out, full reasons Henry. So why this was a complete live one. He did not imply that he that was the plan when he was voting in the voting booth. And I showed his vote at no point in the voting booth before will go down when no one else can hear him. Did he mention anything about number two? He had no idea that Sean had the auto and that was going to happen yet. Absolutely. No idea that we know of. And number three, he tried to bring Fanilo and shawny in on the plan of voting three full. Fish on. So that's another point against and the loss. Most biggest, the biggest fun. He is that in the next episode, he doesn't follow through on this plan that he's apparently put in motion of going to the end with shine and Monica because he ends up voting fishing. It's just. That's like, let's not insult intelligence grey zone. Just had to get it was just ROY. Was one of those like, like you said about line to the audience? Nothing that's walked. Irritates anyone watching when you just can Kobo shit. Yet they and this the show tells you that like when you go out there and just before you play a lot of this audience lies much as you want to the place, and I think that's a really good metric because if you start lying to the audiences will like in your confessionals that's a really nail your net now playing like two different games that you're trying to reconcile and you'll Brian is enough laws as it is drawn. Keep track. O-. I want to move on to talking about Monica because this is the episode where she does go home and what have you thoughts on Monica this season. With more in confessionals, definitely think is being on -tunities to show more of images describing the basic things. I think she speaks well and confessional think she's just a happy person like to just brought the screen lots. This. But yes, she's going well, but I guess it was just kind of she couldn't win is based on the. They're always pip, I guess, and stuff like that. I don't know why she would have been long to balanced, but I think this she's a bit of an enigma for the people out. There feel is people that just don't quite understand. Maybe like her view in the game will like maybe she doesn't understand again the way that I've you it and she's been. Length last week that she has had a finger on the pulse quad, a lot of times and and and she just keeps getting the dodo music and just she got the music again this week in confessional like the, she's either his someone off in production. All the edit is were jilted by someone who looks like. Really dislike, speedy pageants selling that because she has consistently been screwed over by the edit. And I feel like that initial episode. There was some stuff that kind of showed she has way more voices going on there actually showing it seemed to me Henry was you when she had this really vitriolic confessional their Brian when she's he's a lying to face Noto and she kind of looked the most animated she's ever been into the confessional. What does that of tell you about the way that she views Brian and the game and his situation because it's too. Yeah. Then it kinda shows what she wasn't just this in a sense, I decide go to Ron or shape whatever. It's not like she's getting dragged along by doing the dragging and it's fun, and I will get to a lighter about where people stand, but I think even Ron has by this guy. This guy, I think, sitting next to him, I ain't gonna be the worst thing, and I think you know, based on like, have their audio thing like and why she just understand his full wasn't stuff, and that's so good to notice your opponents fours and how you can export him. So I think she and she's always been on the side of the votes like she somehow there's been talk about going from one to the other in a sense like that's an odd to the to go back and forth and cross those loyalty lines and not really having nine come up just it has just now because by David was aimed by default again, because. No art about an auto. So that's credit credit to apply. The shore. She says to build off your point before she says, the law is not. She says, the jury isn't going to vote for him. He's along Noto till like she knows that she has a good chance next to him. And if he she seems to have taken the temperature of the jury at travel council because it is very clear that a lot of them are not gonna vote for Bryan, Steve and Matt, namely, and it's clear that shine and Sean constant, we've mostly shine. So I think she's doing pretty good. Like, you know, if Brian and Monica got to the end, then bomb would've had to piece off Chanel. And obviously Fennell is probably all about not splitting, and then he'd go the boys plus China Janis. It's almost LANCELOT like. When he's plied like a strategic game, I guess, and more technically as simple to say these issues, it's we wonder, yeah, Wanda what would happen if she even just gone to. Another one further another to if it would completely change. Like maybe maybe. Interesting. Interesting. I do feel like I was saying the whole time want theory was that she goes to, she comes to someone's Sean, it's next to Hans. That was probably dumb thought, because if she second thought I would've lied law fluffed out story a little bit more. But I feel like if she had gone one or two more, that would have gone to gripe pints fluff, Etta story. If you just look. I guess. Can we just moved into about schone in the second episode? So. The car, Brian tanks, Monica Oles stuff we can bring back. Like I dunno. I was like. Much more anything play this, this challenge. But I was like, holy hell, like even getting the cough again and like, and then patriot that rewards absolutely broke me down. I don't know. China's out because if you missed far out that was US dob. That's US newest sleep-deprived, everything that would have been vest. And then with a. You know, what did I for the ground? It's just let's give these rich successful people. His birthday presents. I to talk about Sean because Johnny was great in this episode and I loved the. There's a couple of great quotes. She said, I'm assessing Bish always get what I want is just certain dommage. It's going to Surrey. Good luck. It's just she just lives everything with just the best little small on vice. And I just, I think she's so funny and I just love the way she was logging evoked for my Gill. FILA I will find you vote. You hear not a bridge. Great. So in this she she says that everyone else has been flipping, narrow, Monte Montagne to flip and she does. She kind of moves over informs this sh alliance. I thought was pretty clever, shine Sean shunning and she falls this alliance and they plan on targeting Brian. Did you think that Fashanu this was the wrong guy. For those costs are Dennis narrows. And to be honest, I think either y, it's, it's, it's tough eighty. Why? Because on immunity of Braun or Sean in the next one, like they're the two fibers twin. She's done well thinks she needs that immunity. She needs to win in a sense. I personally don't think I think it's more a great move for regime. You could say how the jury on that. So for the motion did and I don't think sticking with the others would I think Monica Iran, tot Sean and China to Todd. Like, I think she just got to win out Unity's and I think that move finales revenge really as you go by the jury are really happy about it. So good point point. It was very good for the optics of what the jury saw that she kind of did. Yeah, come out from underneath Bruns wings and and then the story back the villa would be Fanilo would be like, oh, that was like, you know, redemption for me and that that will play well with the jury. I think that's a really good point of do. Have theory is odd. Down. It's like, I think she will need a win out because we'll if it goes to fire, like if Bronwyn wins, and then it goes to file like Shino schon who dominated. But then if she went the other. Maybe should go fire against Monica. I'm not sure like I just. Really? Yeah. The fly thing is a whole whole thing. I guess I really, we need tool through that, but just in terms of just voting out someone here in going, she is the kind of the swing vote between the two Piz. I feel like first of all, the best thing that could happen to show is that Fennell was vetted out to be honest. She's now Fanilo stumping her in the jury. She didn't turn on her allies to. She looks like she has loyalty as well as playing a strategic gain, and she's now less of a threat because the pay is going to be fighting for her. So in that instance, I think that that's probably a good thing for her. What happened to her. But in terms of like moving forward, I feel like in, yes, it was always say the right move to then switch divert to Monica, but I do think that kind of the reasons that you said before about Sean and grubby being the best physical threads. I do think that like it probably would have been better to get rid of one of them. But in saying that, I think that shawny has good shows. She could have stuck with Brian and got rid of Sean is what I'm saying. That's like one of shy. Sorry. Sorry. 'cause she had him unity brought that changes things, then I think she definitely didn't make the wrong about the sorry, just as is. So under this point about how shawny Fanego voided at and it wasn't on Shani's. Watch that actually freight guy. As in you can buy s- you'll game around loyalty. I think it's soy Pap when you can get all you lose people around you, you can con- and go just solo to the end because without like is to, that's how odd still in that sense of loyalty in which is the old school Slava, but like you don't. You don't want to bright the trust yourself. So like it's kind of like, perfect. She goes like Todd, actually an extra to get the person next year out without not being and sometimes. Is just blocking foes into a, but I think like that will soon be like the perfect pie who can somehow treat kind of light. Sarah didn't game Chinese, kind of treat Sierra to give it a legacy. And then like it was kind of like all gone donate her that I'm gone. So sorry, that point by your saw dust. I said, really Reno. I think they're a couple of other parallels that I think that law season Lucan Jericho is one of those parallels. You know, it's not an exact comparison, but this jerk did know that look going home and kind of like let it happen. But like the blood wasn't on his hands. He survived his alliance getting burned. You want it, like you said, you wanna make it through a troll that you can then also have that little bit of that underdog stories. Well, Teichmann wouldn't be like, would you look probably really got like he model of alike into next to these John man exact wrong and Jericho said, oh his, he's number one. Ally was Lou to the end kind of thing. But like jerky has said he would have voted leukemia, but like she never had to. He never was in this situation so he can kind of like participate as much as he wants. Like I was loyal to Luke the whole time never would have done this. And to me, it's the other thing that conagra minds of is Natalie Anderson in office San Wando sir, like Jeremy gets taken out early. And then she kind of goes on this like almost revenge mission thing that Sean, he's going with vanilla and and she didn't have to vote him out. But like she would. She have one against Germany the end, and she's a threat play. Maybe she would. She would have voted him out, but she never had to deal with that full out. So I guess maybe what have we uncovered here that maybe the key is to kind of somehow throw y'all what your best ally onto strategy in a sense. Like it's almost like we saw on who will go before. Yeah, when your number's, I guess remain, but it it's like it's originally there for raising because their pie and they can win out or whatever. So like I love this topic while the solar. I even came call a millennials, those genetics. He went against the OT Deraa. It was never gonna get, but he lost even Jessica's void because of like. Caller, whatever in it was Ottoman and and like he voided out his number one Daiva because he would've lost anyway. But he's still probably lost Jessica's because it's small example just shit show. That that really fond on which again is is like a graveyard. Kita people who've tried to straddle that line. Miserably. So let's schone has a been more suggest. I want to talk about just really quickly with shawny before we move on that, like Shunyi was great at the will. I thought when she was talking to Brian and she was a really good liar like a really, really good liar when when he was coming back and she was on yet, I teach me and I was saying this and I thought it was really great how she did it. And then she goes in relays to ship to Sean shine needs to be a bit more worried. I thought it was really good. And the other thing I keep trying to heap praise on shunning this podcast, but shawny is the one who suggests maybe we should switch to Monica. Now that could have been. We didn't see the ginning of that conversation and Sean is like nothing bronze. The auto maybe brought Sean sniff that out. It's definitely shawny that said, maybe we should switch to Monica, which is the site of the dining. Blush. I was gonna say. John's Dyson the confessional. Now Sean recognized that he was not worried and then at can schone says, maybe we should switch it to Monica. Now it could have been like Chidi Senate and she's like, yeah, maybe we do need to switch it to Monica, and it could have been affirming what Shana dirty said. But it didn't sound Locke's either. Why schone was wrought in there with that decision and. The sheet comes out of the season, getting the credit that she deserves strategically and not just being remembered for being the kind of the witty, one liners and things on whoever. Klein that move how to Dennis shop summaries up out of viewing with a friend but also could arguably the move of the season. Like it's we as the viewer, no Brian about Iraq. We know it's much harder when you don't have a clue and that out. And to know that it's I've d- is huge. Especially the point of the game, there's not many numbers, so like it size shine. And now now shining John saying, I've got. A lot of control back. Incredible. And I'm whiting this is not a saw, but like I want to get on the audience to be blondes out of like I want. I know there was a bit of that with without, but it wasn't like we unmoved I want survivor too. The hell out of the audience. And you know, and then have the next episode kind of show how it on voter or something. I Don. I just feel like it's the Amanda Amanda Kimmel for nesia. Did she did she get the auto and drug counselor? She pulls out the auto and sexist. All that's close. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've seen it before, but like once ages ago, I was the closest we came to that. But like you said, it didn't impact the voice. So yeah, no, I love. I love that. I'm, I'm definitely king knowing to end it is the switch it up knowing Brian hot at night bay lie. I don't think I have enough credit. Shoshana could sniff it out the he had. He, I think he didn't tell anyone like and Sean just pied one. And then he just goes all, look, how does he clearly when big Luke? So you know, he didn't get then like our somebody signs, the just do not have so much credit to whoever actually quote on whether it's whatever it could be the one of them the move of the season. Yeah, I think I think it's probably could be in the conversation for sure. I think that the other thing is. Key trona gives shawnee, oh, this credit. It was clever. To direct the vote to Monica, because if it does stay on Bryan and Brian plays the auto, it could back on her like it could be here all shine, whereas it doesn't sue. It doesn't really matter fish on because she's got the immunity necklace. Yes, you could lose Shane, she yes, she could lose shy, which is closest ally, but like, you know, she's not going harm Agali. She's making it to fall and she's going to be free of the Ottoman field, but it does really working shoney's interest. Okay. Maybe we need to of get it back on. And I think that was some really good gameplay at the last minute which seems to be in my opinion, the theme of the season that like in that last before travel, things are switching really quickly and absolately love like us to come with the shawnee front online, kind of the shop. Because I think she's thinking shades shine to that pal in the guy Bianca yet a lot of eighty. Why should I could be Brian? Oh, it's those decisions. China. And this. And then if it work, you just paranoid. I want to Henry. I wanna kind of like before you get to some questions and stuff I want to and the dancy of course, we want to. Talk about who has the best shot moving forward. I wanna kinda just run a few scenarios, so we'll go through each of the top four and I want us to talk through what is that path to the end and. Who do they have to sit next to to win? And what happens if. So let's let's like a one by one. Let's not shying what is shines PA to the end and how does shine win this game? Think is off. Or she could when a challenge. Thanks. You win the next one or the fauna one. If generally going down the endurance, he cut off other than. Other than. So therefore I think she will need to go in with Shah or which on sunny see sitting with Braun. So I think soobee next to Shawn or Sean if she gets. Unless obviously could get dragged about like a Brian. Braun wins out and he wants to taika so she could probably next. What are you. I think that she just wouldn't want to sit next to Brian alike. I feel like she's the kind of person who just regardless, whether it's good for her game on, I think that she just wanna get Brian. I don't know why she'll continue on with that the next two and. Rides down she wants. I know. No, I'm joking about like if she has some sort of agency, what would be her best choice? Like if you said, okay, Sean shine. What do you want to happen from now on? I think that she would still get rid of Bryan even though that she could win against you. I think she would win against on. I think that she the only person she can be is run. I think that she it's fifty fifty fifty with shunning and I don't think she can be sheltered Schanz resume short as got more of a shine. And I think she could be broad strategy. I think broadside a good guy, but Stu thing based on the juror by some who's the jury and who will have to go. I just light. The light moves by Braun probably cost couple of. So, yeah, I think shine will be trumped by shawny the most. It'll be coast between John champions, but she bathes Braun. So we're saying she let slip Brian. We're saying that everyone will be Braun, is this correct? Strangely just based on this jury and the reactions that have been having and what seems other line shoots the light light conned of votes or decisions bronze mind because to get there. So sightsee next to one of the three are the true the true that leave the person. So. The guy and then plus. I don't think commando liking. And then you go familiar up there and that's full. I'd. Okay. So it was saying Brian has the worst chance to win of the three. His best chance is robo Bley Sean Sean outdoors. I showing simply because it removes the PB show the Matt Sam. Commando group. They're gonna vote for shawny shine and Sean who whoever they, if I sit against one of the other, I think that the best shot for Brian is that he sits next to shy and his. I would have Hugh to them and say, look on the lost champion. And these moves and all of your friends go see convict them. So you're gonna vote for me. So I think that's only John. Let's Brian at the bottom of the power and kings. Are think that we've lost three on shine a little bit that is kind of fifty fifty. But one thing we haven't spoken about is what if it is shown and shunning, and I think that this would be the best outcome because it would be the two. Most interesting lies get to the end and I think he would be the big contender champion. And I think it would be a total up in that moment slot edge to Sean. I. You'd have to size lot edge to shine by onless docked champions. Well, let's let's let's talk it out. Okay. I think that this is the most interesting. I think that if we had Sean Sean and the phone to Sean is definitely getting vote from my mom. And Matt and shine. Yes. And Sean definitely getting avoid from nila broad and from Brian. And pulmonary Monica more or probably, yeah, Monica's gonna vote fish, John, Dewey along. So that's forty, Sean, too. Benji robes. I think that Benji would go for shawny in that moment and. I think that same would be shown maybe. Far to do this. I think that Robey would give it to person. He's the best physical personally. So probably like Sean close Shawn's, going close, conduct of six. Yeah. So I think that over the bear, this is where I would put the power rankings and you me if you would agree, I would say that bronze got the worst chance to win. I think that she shining has the. Third best chance that she slightly edged out by shunning and I think Sean can be all of your son, and I think to get to the end with Sean, see to win out. So I think the Tato match is going to be tough only say shawny getting to the end by winning out. Because if she doesn't. If just based on going to fi- even shine or shine, who started, I've shown that I will bait her far. That's if Braun doesn't. We brought them when he goes. Next goes Sean shine and schone on apoe if I do want again, I see. If they do. She could. She has been good, but Sean had started on the pole for so long. So. I think that's what I mean by that movie earlier on, like I think it works because if she does get to the end, she's got that move. It's to have to for that too. He's my new theory on what's going to. He is just happen then when you until just plucked it out of my, I guess. I think that Brian wins the next immunity. Yup. And I think that they get rid of shawny as a Jiri threat. I think that they look at the fact that she's got Fennell and all these can all these other contenders and I try and vote her out. And I think that Bryan rather than forcing fire. Is probably just kind of like, let's happen. And then in the final three, think that Sean wins the immunity challenge and brings broin alone with her because she knows that she can beat Brian and and she's afraid of shine being a threat. She such such Australian Arkell and Sean wins this my completely random, highly detailed and probably completely wrong theory for every. I do. I think the best who said we've uncovered a few can only economically bay. I was school is on this pace, but you're like, you're like the that me mood the God with all the red strings, bro doesn't win. He's growing. Yeah, the bra and all. Schone. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think so. The five in complicates things, and I'm not even going to try and has it a guess as to what happens there. The Sean Sean, he made the shadow shine. Yeah. And I, I feel like you want go to fire, but if it does, you know you'd have to have your money on Shane and Sean because of what happened did bother. Why did you. That was a NAS throwback to season two of US sevada and I was I was excited to say it, but I do think it was an on time for. That'd be cool, but yeah. It was all it takes is one person not to know how to make fire and it's a complete blow answer. Okay. Well, that was interesting. That was interesting. Let's let's see. Let's see how it all pans out there. Henry this way. So we've been doing the Danzi old. And you've been credited with the voting system of the Dante. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but when you did you put cost Shannon, you're, you invented the three to one voting system and it's an honor how the how can. That was one of the questions, ROY, bring us. The question is Henry, how do you feel that you name this and if soil, I think he wants you to be out to come up with the name that kind of like strips back the Danzi strips back cheesy and you get to choose a name for, but the dens any. That's go. It was just dance. Three. Two one? Yeah, because I think you can say one, third of other types more won't the most. So I think to kind of. Gives every show about of the pause. We'll have to kind of tweak it this way because there are so people's this is this is the this is Shannon gates came up with the because. Okay. So any any questions? Any issues where said, tweet, tweet, tweet into Shannon. This is a really good way you get to do. You get three points. Henry you get on them, however way you want three points to one person, a two and a one or one one one. It's completely up. G we giving you'll three points to this. You've kind of sewed, maybe don't show any listen to. It's been good voice. Probably got three straight on the nose shot. Oh three on shown fan and auto pie. Pied and auto. Successfully. Manage to get one immunity and well, I thought she figured out that Braun had an auto analyst. I to the guy when she was at the bottom bottom soil like. Through. I think that's, I think that's a good choice. I am going to. Counteracts that ongoing ongoing to three to shutting us. Stuff. I'm going to just slam them all simply because I feel like she had the raid episodes. I think she's set self. She the some somehow has gone into the foreign four in a better position. And she went into the final of six or whatever it was, and I, I'm feeling really good about has she played this week now I don't think she's going to get to the end, but I wanna ward her for all her correct rates so long live Quyen shunning. I like that. One of the things that we haven't even spoken about is the fact that Sean now has three immunity wins and do believe and fact check is toast me fun. Correct. That Sean has now is now Todd with Brian Laki from season two and lay from season one. They've all three, four of them have three immunity win. So she's the first woman to win three individual Unity's in ustralian savvy history, and it's breif history is on the list, and I actually think that by the close of the season, she's going to have another one to nine. So I think that we could be looking at Sean as being the number one individual immunity threat in all three, which is crazy honestly has everything times as apply like. Social. Really. Sure that she's met a few blunders because no one's no one's perfect, and it's not like that kind of protected from the ETA. So. I did that a little bit of Jericho like they saw him get folder once or twice. Two wins kinda just ally. Cal, it's not. Sorry. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I wanna get to some questions and read shell indulges. Okay. Markle McDermott asks the jury's completely stacked by gender this season. We ever scared of the possibility of a woman's alliance in your season because I think we could also be looking at I four, three all women in history. Yeah, strangely never. Never. Those divides. You can never since there was a girl. Those boy thing, at least in a song or mantra. Kind of thinking about it, but even like we had a cane John Stott and it wasn't based on, let's keep can't is he's guy. Optus preferred to along with go. Like for me, it was never. Thing. I don't think it was essays in any way. We're very extent think the red trod. Red traumas as the OC Nick like venos- and had someone gone on, how did you find? It definitely wasn't afraid. I was clinging onto the hopes of a woman's alliance and lead shutter. ROY goes alliance all the way to the end. So definitely not afraid of. We're only if. Block fan. One says if zen had the Brian like grub edit last year. Well, filthy acts of Grubori would he have been caught doing blog fed China at to survive the fan. On like. Cameras on the old time. They could come up with some of the grossest things, but like this is just gross out. You like. Sobhraj Christ like grubbies embracing in and you know, you forget, you forget, you know, humidity bathroom looking. You know. So, yeah, it would be plenty of that and probably about all I realize, but we're seeing what was once I was crooked Baynes summits Al, and I'm just going. Kucan Baynes and spill like all of them and then inside scoop them out and put them back in eighty. Nine's and water. I couldn't tell 'cause I was on the block. Oh man. I was just gross. Sandy, that's memory, but yeah. I feel like it just lowers your. Probably ma- like whether he was he was just gross picket his legs. We've covered this on the seas on the podcast when he was just kind of like Lois standards in general, and they really hard to lift again afterwards, like like sushi is just a little sidebar story just to gross ever on. It was my wife's birthday. The other not we would've been pizzas. There was probably like pieces worth of slices left. They were all put into a box. I accidentally at the end of the north through all the boxes and put him outside and the recycle bin. And then I went to bed and I was like, God that pizza tomorrow. So wakeup had my breakfast, one of the white influential? Yes. Have that pizza open the fridge. Hey, where's the pizza. She was in that boss. Oh no, I threw it out. I ended up going back to being outside getting the pizza out of the bin and trudge eight us stead and Christine's like you're going to eat it. Right? Was. Starters. I did spit back. I feedback because I realized I had on and like having outside and it'd been for seven hours during the heat, probably not a good idea. It definitely does. Lowliest does like it's we that every time. Now, if I go sleep someway or eight someway to juggle for forty days that know mice, lawn. This is. Yeah, I was also does know, enjoy bid and enjoy folks and tissues and twelve. All that stuff cross was pretty gross. When when we saw him what. He's on ice. With the seat of his foot shows like the inside is, will were ofo you're gonna say, where he, they. Are they the use a t. Late to blow is noise. And then the next. That's. Fan. Reach rich batch battery, rich batch says, has Henry taking up yoga yet. This one would come up. And. It's tweet how lunch that has stuck around today person, Kenya, where he said, I heard you on the right. What. Yeah. This guy said, oh, I saw that yoga guy from survivor aiding pile on the I don't get why I was about. But like Stu like a thing. It's it's cool, but yeah, unfortunately, it's definitely not the create off only in. Sorry, we'll you. Entity associated with your heads, even, oh, the free concerts zen. It's an eye even once open the mirror then how young. That's great. I think we're just gonna window into your soul. Jonathan lilia. Does stralia survivor have a caucus. So Henry auto know if you know this, the American sevada about the caucus which existed for the first eleven also seasons and the person who won the caused never once above and then rank Ryan true loss g with Michelle, do you believe surely savant as Caulkins. And do you think that Brian Muna win because of the car. The saying. The carcass still remain. So. I think it's the silliest thing ever. It's just coincidence. It's definitely not devoting Dyson anything. I think maybe the US walls the summit through with drains and yell that or something. Promising there and even think Brian did a little promised native Monica or something. You can have the car. I thought it was interesting tweet and even when he was talking to show shawny the logs. Anyway, there's a lot of you. You can break job with broad will be fantastic. But yeah, it's interesting to find out. Hopefully someone can it think. I think it can happen. Yeah, actually one nights Birkin, but I don't think Brian's on. LeMoyne Joseph asks now that we've completed the Pinault week. Do you think savant a us claim of this being the best post merge in survivor history stood the test of time. This is what Jonathan proposed to us at the beginning at straight off. Lydia was voted out. It was after the episode of the merge we, he said, it is the best end. Do you think that this is true now? It's not very long history, but do you think it's all they have sides was very Alon to y con apply was a bit different. A lot of the guess threats someone's I went out early. I was pretty like bicyc-. This one, it's even sitting with the final forward, kind of really dissecting where God, and that's with four people left and the most have been my like the Benji Matt wake was well, the. It's it's being it's been great. And I've even had like, like I said, of all on massive fan of understand that if you need women known Lynn ebbs, I think this as really done well with them. What a strategy around. So. I think this is true, even shines shines, big move was shoot. Yeah, it's been great. H. one eighty look in my opinion is been for sure the best of the three are think that if you had to kind of create the Frankenstein Australian survive essays, and I would pay the premium portion of season one, the super walk to end of where you win chunk of season two. And then the complaint run of the merge Benji down to show. I feel like that is the best three chunks of all trace as ins. It's really the post merge that people care about, and for sure, this has been the best ones weld on survivor season three and well-done produce high grade put together Ripa. Before you go this, we have a little game fish. Yes. And Shannon gates has put together a couple of questions for you about the Australian survivor. Reunion go. Okay. Because we are about to, we're about to go and watch the renew live and in a couple of days SO for people who applying at home the finale. So they'll be the two episodes next week as far as I can tell. It hasn't been confirmed, but I'm pretty sure there's an episode Monday and the finale will be on Tuesday, so we'll lose one person on the Monday. And then we'll have the final three going into the finale. So it'll be. That person comes through. It'll be funneled tribal when reveal and then live reunion old in one night. So. Let's play a little game. Yeah, and we're going to see out of us who can rack up the most points in a little in a little game about cold. What we don't have a nine for, let's call it like name that reunion man. Okay. So we have a couple of categories and we are going to answer who we think the answer to the question is, and then we will kind of like add up 'Schools as off the reunion, and then we'll see out of us who has the right question. The twenty two Mariah well, different categories Accenture? Yes. This is again that Rovers played matrons especially with Mike bloom. So we're gonna couple of questions here who Henry is going to be a pre merge person who doesn't get a question. Like points is in my how you get a point. Skyla because I feel golfer navy option. Schol you go for that Dawson. Matt sitting. There's a question. Okay. Okay. Okay. We can't use Rosso because he's not going to be there as far as I've been hearing Olga along the funds. Yeah, on going to go. Nita? I'm gonna go Nida icon. See I can see them maybe going to map because I personally, all you really like stuffed up with new imploded kind of thing. But I can see need a not not getting. All right. So the next one is who from the post merge is not going to get a question, and although I choose to. Okay. Nice much. I am going to say. The. Sam is not going to get, oh, okay. I'm gonna follow the and Monica. Monica, that's great one. That's a really good. Really. Okay. Who is this. Cheddar has called this the z. memorial question where the person who jail is going to shave the most for their, I couldn't remember these there in the room. Can you tell me what actually happened? Did he shy. Game kind of like was saying something about the way she played. I think we were talking about and they plan auto and clearly I was a massive done, and then I ace on and said, like and z with the worst movie what something that I constantly remember, what does she do. Herself. She wasn't going like at least. And I can't remember who's going to get the who's going to get the Zeki memorial prize for the memorial question for Joe p shading they game. That's tough. I'm really shining guys pint like crocodile guide. Yeah. Nairobi. Really, really interesting types of, I. Like the Nacho thing where it was just looking at the ocean. Oh, for the delivery of just grabs on which to. I'm gonna go only Benji. He will give him credit for older stuff. He didn't great character. But I do think that he'll say like. Met roaches didn't play auto, and then you did the exact same thing of you idiot. Okay. Next one who will be the person. This'll be cool. This the the mock wiles memorial prize, someone who just gets an inordinate amount of time on Seraing questions who definitely was in this show enough to be honoring this many questions. All is just the over the person who kind of like, all right. We want to hear from the other three hog guy. Have I. Okay. What about the other tool. I think that's going to be met Rogge's. I think that they're gonna go to him for so many things even when they don't applaud him. Yeah, that's that's good. I'll bring someone else. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Tool. I think I mean, yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. Okay. And the us. Two seconds loss is who will make the most inappropriate joke on live TV. Again. Nausea lodge, and it is like, boom. Here we go bright for breaks in the sense that like I think a few questions calm, but it's basically Sam Wyche side. So like LeBron's is himself. He could just easily go on. Going. Zack, say. Definitely going to knock off. They're going to do lose page and he'll he'll put coal, everyone snowflake. So something like that. You mentioned Instagram. And boy, this question who is going to be wearing their unused auto. This is the this is the Henry memorial. It will bay. Of them. Can I lock in really right? Who I wanna put it on. I think. Oh, if Ross is going to be the day there. Guess who's going do think on could see Benji. Okay. I'm gonna go little bit left to send to here. I'm going to say Mat Rogers, Tyke, sit down and puts it on more. Yes, we need that. Yeah, because I think that he totally do it like, oh, say, oh, man, what were you thinking? Blah, blah. And at least I can give it back to Milan. She was a great ally. Greg turn around and put it on a guy, but I'll just got Benue because no one else. They should Scott in Russell and he should do do. I wish us. We'll say, we'll see who wins out of who wins the name that survivor play. Oh, whatever. But yeah, that's all. Also, well Henry this was I think, a really good summation of going into the finale on. I think that we uncovered a lot of good stuff. He do. You have a hashtag for the end of this address. This thing. You've done a couple of these now. Come on, you should know this. I know about hashtag this podcast. What about what about Dan's hashtag dens? Any. Alaka let's say that can have to the next season. She's getting old getting Christian feed. Will we say four and two will be announced at finale. Well, it's already been on. We've already heard from channel chedda through the grapevine that that it is coming back. But the thing that's a really good question, if it will be announced at at the Nollie I think that they will announce they coming back, but I don't think that will announce any theme or anything. Like, what do you think announce that that I agree? I wanted to thing about Las question. What do you think we'll be next? You see being thing so it'll definitely be same on. We're going to try and unpack this next week with for that. About. It's it's no giving all the secrets have plenty to discuss next week, but just a little little teaser guys next week to wrap up the season the she's coming back Shannon gates and an special trait. We're going to bring back the three way pound Mark bloom is going to be in the house, and we're going to be kind of. We are going to be going through everything and kind of discussing the endgame, the reunion and projecting forward. We've even got a few little games of Slee and we also going to be giving out some sort of award. So stay tuned for that because we might even get you guys divide on them beforehand if we can get organized in time. So we will discuss it all then I guess. All right. Well, everyone hashtag Ganz any. You can find me on Twitter. I have been tweeting a storm this way. Scribe obsessed school holidays guys come on. You gotta. You gotta get getting getting. Exactly. So on answer on Instagram as well, but not. That's that's no in ears, exciting, Twitter, but then Han, what is your? I know he said people were very interested in in looking at what you Tweety and they're realizing how crap it is and then following you, what is your hands of. Talk about. Can everyone please just try and get him to get a. Do give you my log in details. Okay. I think you're pretty yourself up to a real issue. Sorry. Henry we've been giving away the Hamza every week. Someone's been adding to the hand what people can win. What does the winner of the dancing? Maybe that's what I get. I get to tie. I can cry cow to see shine somehow taking out the Danzi and. She takes control of your out of the. Shang. Is going to give on my Twitter. Oh, my God isn't that would drains idols. All right. Thank you so much everyone, and thanks to checking us out and we'll be back next week. Bye. Choosing an energy company raises many questions. You can make electricity and natural gas works smarter working. I find a company that's easy to do business with knows the market best has options to fit my needs, the millions of homes and businesses. 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Creating the Period Emoji

Feeling My Flo

09:35 min | 6 months ago

Creating the Period Emoji

"Kids these days is a new podcast hosted by teens about teams. The show offers an unfiltered look at teenage life what they're thinking about laughing about an stressing about. Everything from first kisses to vaping coming out as a queer teen to life at home during the coronavirus. Kids these days, a new limited run podcast from community school in Ann Arbor and Michigan Radio's peabody award winning team? Subscribe now apple podcasts, stitcher or ever you get your podcast. Welcome to feeling my flow a podcast we stray as an event that happens to all types of bodies COMMUNICA. Shawny pronouns she and her. So I bet you have a favorite Emoji mine is the hands clapping EMOJI. It's the best way to emphasize a point or hype up. A friend needs encouragement. I also love the crying laughing Emoji in the blowing kisses Emoji the can be used for like almost anything, but it wasn't until recently that I started using a certain Emoji that the feeling. My flow team is kind of obsessed with. This EMOJI is red and shaped like a teardrop. It's the period Emoji. Period Emoji was not among the early ones like the winking face or the POOP EMOJI. It was brought into this world by. Team of women, and it wasn't easy, so I'm Nikki. Giant and the UK Gills Right, stretchy and development manager here at plan international, UK Pronoun is she. Nikki talked to our producer Mia from her office in London. Plan International UK is Girls Rights, organization that means they try to make life better for girls all over the United Kingdom. That's England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. You'd think that someone who works on girls. Rights would already talk about periods all the time, but that wasn't the case for Nikki. It's not something I ever grew up talking about definitely a subject that was just. Something that I guess you had to endure, not really particularly discuss. But. That will change in two thousand sixteen. That's when plan UK decided to launch an interview project to figure out what kind of challenges girls in the UK we're facing. After talking to a lot of girls, they realized periods where at the top of the list, one young woman talked about how? She was educated about having a period, but wasn't talked that it would come every month, so when she had her first period, obviously was may be traumatic orbit exciting for her, or whatever the emotion was, and then she thought that was it. She was done, and then, of course it happens every month like that one girl on a study. A lot of girls in the UK said that they had received no education at all about their periods. They had no idea what was happening to them when they started their. Their periods and many of them felt ashamed of their periods, so and her colleagues started thinking about how they could fight against some of those negative feelings about ministration. We started to think more creative ways about. How can we change this conversation? How can we get rid of some of this? Shame and stigma? emojis are the language of young people these days, and more and more so that the language of everybody, not just young people, and maybe that's a way for us to can of shift the compensation lethal. For people to be able to talk about periods in a visual way, and to kind of normalize it through a language, which I guess emojis really is becoming. A language that that people are using in their everyday interactions and communications plan. You can't or national surveyed fifty five thousand people across the United Kingdom and ask them what a period Emoji should look like. It was really really exciting to see. There was so much interest from deeper on social media to see the people wanted appear with the mortgage that's Sabrina mystery. Her pronouns are she and her, and she's the digital designer for playing UK international that means she was in charge of coming up with the designed for the period Emoji. After the survey Sabrina and the team came up with five designs and people got to vote for their favourite. The first design was a calendar icon with three blood drops on it. Emoji was basically supposed to represent t menstrual cycle, and also how people sometime Moss on the calendar? Peel comes to keep track. Veg Dis. Second was the the uterus, which unfortunately was the least favorite. Deferred Year was the p Mute podge so I looked at different administration product, and it was important to a product that would be widely used globally and the last one. I just Kinda relies say we didn't have any EMOJI could be used to represent emotions, so did was to use the blood drop with a face, so that people could use it represents. The were happy or maybe a little bit of. Pain sometimes as part O- foam is out of the five. The public's favourite was a pair of pants stained with a drop of blood I. Guess I wanted to represent like those kind of. Mystery, Shem accidents this sometimes you have. I just wanted to kind of have like a an icon of of Para Pans, and then have like a couple of drops. A blood drops on the pants. Sabrina got her first period when she was seven years old. I guess the I thought was all annoyed GONNA be able to do all the things. I'm supposed to do because I felt like a new way could limit. Myself it was a little bit embarrassing to say, but at the same time appreciate now. Years later as an adult working on the period Emoji. Project Sabrina, talking to her thirteen year old son about menstruation period Emoji was one of the main topics. We discussed in the house, so it was a good way to talk about menstruation to a teenage boy I guess he's. Is. Understanding maybe was quite broad and yeah, it was embarrassed to say at the beginning, but it was interested in the process of the fact that you could. You could actually Evan Emoji to represent anything and. Even, himself was surprised that the WASN appeared Emoji. It turns out though an Emoji is created, it has to be approved by a special group called the Unit Code Consortium. I know it sounds like something to do with uniforms, but it's not is so disappointing. Turns out. Anyone can propose a new EMOJI, but they have to prove that there are good reasons to create Emoji and that people would actually benefit from having it. So when plan UK International Center Period Pants Emoji to the consortium. They worked really hard to convince them that it mattered. De Submission was unsuccessful. It was obviously a great disappointment of fortunately. Unical didn't really provide any any details. The team didn't give up. They went back to the drawing board and thought Andrew and thought some more and the final design they came up with was a simple red. Drop the when you can find on your phone now. I went to an event last week and somebody was telling me. Did you know this new period? Emoji, a, that is awesome. and to feel also that this is something that's not owned by plan. It's it might have been developed by. s might be pushed by S, but actually now it's owned by everybody and people using it in their own ways. That is so exciting to me. That was Nikki. Here's Sabrina finally we all of it auto describe it. It's almost like when you finally cannot can you ward in the dictionary and you'll be able to use like a full sentence I just feel like APP before the period Emoji almost like there was something missing and It was just wasn't complete. So there, you have it how the period Emoji came to be all thanks to planet national. UK I'm GonNa Taxi Emoji to the team to thank them for this awesome episode. Feeling, my flow wants to help you start important conversations at critical moments like when you're choosing just the right. Emoji to express how you feel. If you don't have a phone. You can check out what the purity Emoji looks like on our website. Feeling my flow is a production of Latigo Williams and cope where to inform, entertain and empower. Ask Your parents grown adults of you can visit us at feeling my flow, that's F. L. O., dot, com, or connect with us on social media at flow pot. That's F. L., O., onnell score. P., od on twitter and instagram. This episode was produced by out worn executive producer. It was mixed by cogen to Shiro our lead producer. Is Cedrick Wilson I'm Camile Kashani. Support, for tracks comes from the corporation for public broadcasting. This is tracks from P R X.

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Tishani Doshi reads They Killed Cows. I Killed Them.

The Poetry Magazine Podcast

14:10 min | 10 months ago

Tishani Doshi reads They Killed Cows. I Killed Them.

"This is the poetry magazine podcast. I'm Don Chair editor of Poetry magazine and I'm Lindsay Carpet managing editor. We hope you're doing as well as can be wherever you are Lindsey by a recording from our new makeshift recording studios in other words from our homes. This week we spoke with two Shawny Doshi about her palm. They killed cows I killed. The poem began when Doshi son undercover video shot by new delhi-based News Organization of a man bragging after he murdered a local trader. We've been in India going through several movements of violence and this cow vigilantism this. These incidents were troubling to me because I mean one was the violence. And the fact that here you have people who are turning upon men because of suspicions that they either have beef in their home or did they trade cattle but the other was the fact that because of technology they were recording these these killings and that these things were being circulated. Doshi says in this circulation the violence becomes multiplied. She believes poetry can convert at least some of the anguish in the world. Into something that can be grappled with. I really believe in reclamation as something that poetry can do. Every poem in that sense is trying to reclaim something. And here it would be thinking about the lives of Qasim Qureshi imitator who was forty five years old debris and Zari who was tied to a pole and accused of being a thief and and beaten to death with sticks and forced to chant. J. Shri Ram. I mean when we're talking about language this John of J. Shriram is actually you know was a devout greeting that Hindus would use and it has now become a battle cry for right-wing fundamentalists and they're so many things about language that I think I'm trying to do in this poem. Here's to Shawny Doshi reading. They killed cows. I killed them in the future. We might all be vegetarian and this life will seem barbaric the way of course it was or eugenics. We might look at this man. Being secretly recorded bragging they killed cows. I killed them and wonder where was his mother. She might have spoken his childhood. How it was poor but decent. How like that blue? God's mother she to gaped into her son's Wide Gob and saw the universe once or she might have told a story of how he was led astray by a band of men in uniforms not brown shirts but pleaded brown shorts in which they practiced ideological calisthenics. How she's been standing at the crater's edge saying here Kitty Kitty Kitty. Ever since because this man her son in the undershirt dear Qadri Call Vigilante. He's he's no gladiolas he size. Even his moustache is pusillanimous. Maybe he was a Romeo in school. Maybe he wheels the stick to reclaim what he misses most about his body or maybe it's always been his dream to squeeze the messy limbs of this country into spelt. Upper Attic Shriek. The camera gives us a glimpse of his Chin dumpling. He will go to jail a thousand times without passing go without stopping to plan to tree or collect clean underwear. He admits it was wrong. To allow his boys to record the killing J. Shriram silly to leave evidence behind even though they always go free. Even though the young lads enjoy it so and cost him the man. They killed the green meadow of his life. Come to this. Didn't his mother also wants confused the dirt in his mouth for Galaxy. Didn't he believe a dying man had the right to ask for water in the future when people complain about how gone the should have made a comeback when comparisons are drawn between you to bend the OPINI sheds will? They notice the bystanders. In the frame their shabby shoes shuffling like lapwings around the bloody censored blur of Kasim's body. Will they speak of the difficulty of watching him thrash around for an invisible rope to steady him home? The difficulty of US watching them watching him being killed or is that an illusion to the way a magician might swirl his cape to reveal. His assistant is really a robot. No damage done here folks. The way we enter the rooms of our past like gunshots to say surprise. I'm still here no point carrying blossoms in your pocket instead of a Meat Sandwich because even if you did not walk the Earth exultantly even if you avoid disposable plates and mourned every glacier and strong lattice of pearls to the giant monument of love. There might still come a day when you are hauling refrigerators on a truck or taking the children to a fair and when death arrives you must let him strap you to a telephone pole. You must look into his ten headed face and say flay brother Flay. There's a really eerie link. Here between technology and kind of ecology ecology which religious beliefs and practices are. So vitally important. And I was trying to think about what that link was and what the link is for me in this palm is the language of the palm. It's gorgeous palm and it's talking about very hard things and it's of course it's not American English. It's a kind of English that bridges all these subjects and kind of brings together with a kind of dignity but also energy and panache that it's just endlessly striking. It seems to me. Also that her use of as units Just sort of the gorgeous rhythms of these as anguished as the palm as you know the camera gives us a glimpse of his Chin playing he will go to jail a thousand times without passing. Go and so on this kind of sinuous -ness of the palm and the sounds in it are signing of its great strength and dignity and seriousness of purpose So is it is striking palm but to my mind is also an an unusual palm. The way that it's sort of forces you to three three things in the unit of a line or phrase in palm. Something that that I think was the greatest master oven and this palm reminds me of Some of some of Yates is palm both in that way that it's constructed but also it's intense political and cultural purposes and it's humanity ever really was thinking about the same things you were don about the beauty of the sentences in lines here but also. I love the use of stanzas in this poem to because they're so complete each one and yet they build on each other in such a beautiful way and so the fact that this first stanzas is very future oriented. It's about how these sort of scenes might be viewed in the future if we are all indeed vegetarian way this life might look barbaric but it also looks backward. Think about how the mother might have raised this man and about how she might have seen him and so this both forward and backward looking glance sort of swirls throughout this poem in the Third Stanza takes the form of all these different questions. But what I really cut being drawn to was this repetition of the you must at the end of the poem and having a a you must high up the end of course reminds me of Rilke and you must change your life only hear the must refers to how someone accepts their death or has to face their death and to think about this palm in comparison to real gauzes to see you know that poet was looking at a sculpture in. This poet is looking at a video on Youtube. It's as you're saying. Donna sort of updated medium or an updated technology that is providing for this experience in this poem. I love thinking about Rilke here too because the questions in the palm. Yates was a good question. Poet to those boats put questions in into their poems as well as kind of demands on on readers. But the questions here you know the man. They killed the green meadow his life come to this. Didn't his mother also wants confused the dirt in his mouth for Galaxy. Didn't he believe a dying man had the right to ask for water? The questions that are raised in their many in this palm are kind of unanswerable. Except by the idea that you've described it real ahead that you know have to change your life that what you see and what can be thought has to lead to action and speed that. You are a spectator like you would be on Youtube. You know you you. You have to think something and that the models we have for coping with so much that we're subjected to and so much violence is to make the future possible if that can be by looking at something not in the way that you look at sort of a viral video but looking at it with all the the sort of senses and faculties in and capabilities of thinking that you can have that beginning of the poem you know wondering where the this man's mother was. These are both questions it poetry races but there are also ethical questions. The kinds of things that people don't slow down long enough to think about and if you don't slow down long enough to think about what's happening in the present to future isn't going to be possible except as a shambolic violent wasteland. Yeah I love how in that stands up with the questions that you were talking about Don. She writes when comparisons are drawn between youtube and the punish odds. Will they notice the bystanders in the frame and it goes on to think more about this watching that we do the both the watching that is visible within the video itself and then the watching that we do as watchers of the video of the bystanders within the video it's sort of this and less consideration of what role we play just by being observers. And how as you were saying. Can we take action and think more deeply about what it means to view something and what it means to be living in the world at this moment with knowledge of these things that are happening? What must you do being confronted with these questions of who is watching the watchers? And having to remind yourself that you have to ask what is an illusion and what we see and what we think we can are. These are questions that can only be resolved in the heart in the mind. No damage done here folks. The way we enter the rooms of our past like gunshots to say surprise. I'm still here to Szanto. She is a poet novelist and dancer her bust. Recent books are the novel small days and nights from ww Norton and the poetry collection. Girls are coming out of the woods from Copper Canyon Press. You can read. They killed cows. I killed them in April Twenty twenty issue of Poetry magazine or online at Poetry magazine Dot. Org If you're not yet a subscriber to the magazine and you really should be one for a limited time. We're offering podcast listeners. A special rate of twenty dollars. That's twenty dollars for a full year of the freshest voices in contemporary poetry featured in eleven book length issues as well as free digital access on our mobile APP visit Poetry magazine Dot Org Slash podcast offered to subscribe. That's Poetry magazine. Dot Org slash. Podcast offer let us know what you thought of this program. You can review us on apple podcasts or email us at podcast at Poetry Foundation Dot Org. We'd love to hear your thoughts. We'll have another episode for you next week or you can get all April episodes all at once the full length podcast on Sun cloud the podcast is also now available on spotify. The Poetry Magazine podcast is produced by Rachel teams. The theme music comes from the Claudia Quintet. I'm Lindsay Garbage. I've gone share. Thanks for listening.

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Australian Survivor All Stars | Shonee Fairfax Deep Dive

Reality TV RHAP-ups: Reality TV Podcasts

1:57:10 hr | 10 months ago

Australian Survivor All Stars | Shonee Fairfax Deep Dive

"Took me one million pounds. Chicago cyber how everyone and welcome to our. Gop's coverage screen survival all stars. I'm your host Shannon Gus here with another deep dive. We've done Dave. We got all of the the prep in everything with Knicks game. And now we are getting some peak. Sean tent with a breakout character of her original season truly a shining star in all size itself. It is the Great Johnny Fairfax Johnny. Thank you so much for being here all right. Well thanks for having me. I'm excited I hope I can remember everything it feels like it was so long ago now. Yeah I mean it was. It was long ago for you guys to record the season around up now like like two weeks ago so yeah I mean hopefully I can jog your memory and we can get some of those insights. Yeah Shawny use such a star of the season Sean. Tent was the one of the main events I would say and I WANNA get into your thought process going out there before we even went out there to get the cold to be. Old Style was in much of a decision in your mind to go back. Yes I've got the coal and first of all I had miscall from the executive producer and I was thinking this was just before the season full. We're about to fly out now thinking. Oh Gosh maybe someone's like Birkin. They're almost makes happened. And they made a guard on season full. Okay I guess I'll do it anyway quarterback and then she was like L. Fine but I want you to come all stars so I was like instantly like yeah so mcq automating sounds great but then I think more about it and it really was bad Taiwanese music. I had only been working my job for about a month and I love my job so stinking. How he's my boss going to kind of take these news pay. Do you mind if in like four months. I take a couple of months old and then I think I was like I came full time and I was really proud of that game so I was kind of worried like all God am I what happens if I go out there and then doesn't go. Well then I'm going to tarnish my experience Blah Blah Blah. But then and then there was a couple of things that I wanted to know how much left to say. Okay we gotTA. There was some arrangements on the table. Played with some rain since on the table But they already had my backup passing rate guard. Sorry they did not do what I wanted but in the end I just thought I might as well give it a shot. I knew that I would watch it and then regret it if I didn't go in it. There's no backup to shining like this show consistently underage. What you bring to the table. They didn't think that you will completely essential to the season right. That's why would not budge and I'll in the end. I was like aw that is completely savage. Did they were like well? We can get someone else and like they should know that they that they couldn't get someone. There's only one Shawny Shawny. You played such good game. Your first time around. I think even elevated in all stars. Did you do a lot of prep coming back so I tried. I was thinking. Okay can uncover serious. WanNa stop prepping. But I don't know like I want to leave my life and me leaving. My best isn't may like going to the gym every day. It's me like going cocktails and out for dinner and hang out with my friends so I guess what I'm mostly did was just went to the pool with my friend every day and just he's still like the sauna an enormous owner of play a game where it's like. How long can you stay in full and I guess it was just like getting mental strength while you like just because you're not going to physically leave body don't get up and then you can do it for longer? An an easily stood doggy paddle in the pool which actually ended up probably really handy as such the civic. Prep that ended up coming so so usefully. I guess I wasn't really thinking like oh I'm going to do some doggy. Paddled proposes doing it because it was fun but my husband used to tell me like Shawnee studying freestyle Moscow whatever make and then yeah came in handy. Were you in London at the sign? Yes I was so you have to obviously come from London to Fiji to film I was Hell jetlagged and I was so angry because they told me that I would have like a long gone. I had lost time to like get recovered. My jetlag and I was obviously. Don't have a clock so I was trying to stay awake but then I would fall asleep and then I'll wake up and I do not know what time it was but I think he was probably like around three or two. Am and I just remember being like all my goal. You guys suck like you making me stop. Short jet lagged like could not just flowing out a couple of days earlier. The other person from receive was Dave. Dave would've come from Australia with other people coming from International. It was dave and Dave was. I wanted to fly to Ustralia. Get my jet lag and then fly to Fiji. But they wouldn't let me do that and then I was so annoyed when I found out the day was allowed to fly from New York to Australia and then to Jay. That's interesting getting the Dave. Shawny battles dotted early. Yeah I'm begging in London. Obviously you played with a lot of people from season three who are in the season but beyond the season three people did you have many other connections from the other seasons. I mean I feel like I don't even really have many connections. Who Season three the only people speak to. Fennell and bench idea on cost with nate. So I already knew locked him. Yeah I feel about what kind of pre-game lines we could have based on. How relationship was with Nick after that. Deep dive this deep dive. If you want to go would be. Who else like I used to talk to flake sometimes on DM's if I didn't really know that many people like I guess because I leave in London so it's not like I'm like Oh gosh come to nurse so like Oh hey can people. When I'm in Sydney on the game. So yeah I feel like I definitely ignore many. Had you lost the other evens? Yeah so I've watched much all of season one. 'cause I found it a little bit like Sorry everyone but it was a season so I definitely phospholipid through some of that and then I watched as much season full as I could but we only got up to the first episode of merge before we went into lockdown. Yeah in terms of season. Three obviously had played quite heavily with Shane and Shaan. Who on your tribe? Lydia is someone who's on your tried that you were part of the void out. Zack is on your tribe. And that's just even just getting started. Obviously Matt is on the other tribe who you've played with to a degree and Mojo appeal. You hadn't played within season three so coming in in what were those connections like with. That animosity was a neutral with anything positive there for you get a literally when I saw her was on my Satan from Satan three. I felt sorry. Jibbed all great okay. Zachariah obviously didn't have the best relationship beforehand. Sean and I she voted me. I didn't a win Shane. I felt fine with Alum Lydia. I only knew her for one day but I climb you know. I never met her besides chain her on TV and the whole like shrank thing like people meteoric call this game. Shouldn't have media people blah Blah Blah was good for me because I am not an athlete and then not yet. I was happy to say him his. We have a good relationship and then Mario I never got to her either so as much as they were seven season three people. These weren't like best friends that they were bringing back. So that's what I would have loved if like Ben and Benge whether bench was just in general but obviously was pregnant so she was never gonNA go numb but yeah. I definitely felt Jim so with all of these issues being jetlagged seeing. Who was on the cost? Did you have any like Tiki concerns or fears going in all optimistic about whereas on the Matinees soulmate tribe? I've just like. Oh my God. I'm so screwed. But then I got to camp and I chatted with Sean and I was like nor Hans dealings old law. We got each other back. It's fine and then I started to feel like like you know. I don't think either of US really held onto a garage because it was so long ago and then I saw to feel better about the whole situation. Getting onto the beach with Sean. What were the initial tribe dynamic? Who did you feel a very instant? Positive connection with is the negative connection with. I actually have a pretty good connection with Zack's right away because I knew that he's not really the type of person to hold a grudge either and that we both just don't know I so we just went up to each other and yeah we had a laugh about it And then obviously I was happy to see nick on my tribe. I was happy to see. I be as well 'cause I locked her and her season. Yeah did anyone. You immediately clashed with North clashing really. It was very relaxed. It was kind of annoying. Because I've wanted I wanNA bet obey papal clashing so that you can dislike. Make help us integrate and make it worse but that really wasn't happening. It was very like a camping with friends situation. What about someone like Michelle? Who obviously going through. But it's like you guys had a connection or you don't want to actually completely forgot. It was so long ago. Yes I love when I saw Michelle on my Tribe because I was thinking I good. She's obviously not going to be chain lack strength showing strength Blah and we thought it was funny that everyone was wearing the active. Close it somewhere like. Hey Brian stresses rubbed that Gio. I feel like that would have been fun to watch throughout the season. I I still rubbed as well if I could turn back time. Yeah well I mean the Shane. Vote is what's going to be the first floyd so what were the dynamics like like how did that happen. You said you feel pretty good about shame. But it wasn't just like it was never going to happen for her. I think Shane was just out. Tribe was saw. Everyone was just been so nice to each other so I feel like shame just an easy sauce bard because you know when we did that Gus Challenge. She had to be at the end because she said it was too risky for her to get over the a frames. So she's like it's really boring but I guess it's kind of someone saying like this things that I'm not gonNA dirty because it's putting her health verse which is fair enough. He's amazing to come do it twice so I feel like that was just an easy way to kind of keep the whole tribe intact on the same page yet. I mean you had had the relationship with her but the other name being put out was Henry was putting out Harry's name so how did you initially initially connecting with Harry? Obviously that becomes very important relationship. Yes I lacked hiring his season I thought it was really funny and I just. He was sneaky and naughty so I can't remember what day was maybe like day to. I think when I rarely spoke to Harry and we wanted to form an alliance with Harry Henry. Nick and I obviously Henry Teaching to Harry instead of shot. Shame I wanted to Cape Hurry. Yeah did you. Did you have more relationship with Henry beyond that Alliance Lord? I thought Henry never met Henry before. Actually he'd come to my Sonali and season three. The Henry night didn't have much of a relationship and I wanted Henry to be in a four with spit. Yeah he had other plans. Well you talked about your connection to Harry. And Nick individually rascals formed become such a force in this case well part of the game. I guess because we all like I feel like for me. I already had the jury experience already came fourth in my law season so when I decided to go on all stars I just thought okay look. You've already had the full experience. Why don't you just go out there like Dr? Do anything that people tell you to do. Do what you WANNA do. Be Proud of the game that your plane and have fun and I mean Harry and Nick Obesity. Very not in very fun. So that's what attracted to them immediately. It was like that it's GonNa loss and be funny. Yeah were there. Was there a palace for emerging after this word or was it just like combine our tribal? Could you see some people starting to leave the dynamic? I think it was definitely I could save. Leon Abbey Lay and John were really close and then I guess it was like the main strongest alliance would say so. What did you know in that first week? When he is getting the idol giving the idol over to Matt Rogge's obviously AK reveals that a tribal council. He said that he kinda let everyone know. How much should you know about what was happening? Told main that Henry had an idol but he forgot to tell me that he could only use it in the first three things so when I found out that that was new information by. Nick told me basically straightaway. Henry told him not and then he told me the next morning so seeing of the vote. Obviously it's GonNa Bounce back now on Michelle who you tie with also tied with Henry. Who's causing a headache for everyone? How did you feel about the fact that it was Michelle's name? That was out there. I really really want Michele to guard. And that's why I voted for Henry Anyway. Because I'm like I'm not happy about this but we wanted to. Kinda 'cause I had just made relationships with Lydia and Sean and I thought that by going with Henry and Michelle. I'm kind to screen all people that I know already so I wanted to minimize damage. So that's why we had to go with Michelle Michelle but yeah and I really WanNa keep Michelle even as a buffer for myself. Because I knew that the tribe would soon probably stop eating like. Oh Strength Strength Blah Blah Blah so. I thought that it would be way better for my game if Michelle was there because then there's another person that could potentially be on the chopping block along with me. Always even name that Henry throwing out here is Sean. And you've said that you've reconnected. With Sean in a positive way. It's a very checkered path. You guys have and then with linear on top of that. Did you have a lot of trust in you? I knew that Lydia and Sean Like best friends outside of the game. Sorry I just like I don't want to screw all right everyone right now when we can take off like Henry certain and then just thinking because I knew either the tribes won't happen to fourteen in season four so I thought I wanted to cause less problems that I could in not sauce two weeks right so a couple of things that can happen. One is good and one is bad. The first is that you don't the idol under your sit out bench in Persona four which is unfortunate you defining the next day but what was that experience like ice you've seen on TV and knowing that you miss that. I'm getting really pissed off because I knew that I was gonna find it the next day. Anyway but if I if I hadn't have founded at the ice cream reward that I would be so annoyed the next day. It's funny because that idol was there for you and you didn't see it and then the one you end up finding like right by. Henry's bag it is under the well. Which like you would think of big strong guy would need to move like it's definitely didn't feel like your idol and that's the one you ended up finding our well. The first idol could have been because it was either going to be made or Sean sitting out so I was like thank God the eyesight out not Schon in the end. And then what if she founded? Then they probably. We probably wouldn't have had been one of the ice cream. Would yeah if she had founded. Yeah they wouldn't have another one hidden so you wouldn't have got it. Yeah thank God I sat out instead of Shaw. Who HAVE SOUGHT BY? Not Finding you gave yourself the ability to find the next one so that's a good working at it absolutely so you few find the clue you get design and anti tank us through that whole story from your perspective okay. So we see the ice cream thing. I'M BRIAN. We're all looking for an idol and then what basically nothing's people aren't even trying to hide the fact that they're looking everyone's. Kinda like shaking stuff looking under things people looking through every napkin under like it will looking onto plights will like safest anything scribe on it anyway and then. I felt really sick because I just ate ice cream so I was walking around looking for my water bottle and I don't know if you saw where we everyone had their bags was brought me out the clerk and we never ever put up ads there ever. We normally just like put the unlike near the shelter and then chill in all in such a hurry. Everyone dumped their bags. And what about? Who's right next this log? I was like on my name's trying to check like a million water bottle is trying to find my own and then I just looked up and I saw the scroll this was like Oh my God and I just quickly grabbed it and I was so excited. Yeah so in terms of that you have to go move the well to. What was that lie so then I was like okay? We need to put on my wanting T- because it has pocket so I was just kinda like all gossip fuel really sick from that Oscar. I'm GonNa go to the well and then I just went and I guess it was pretty lucky. 'cause the well wasn't actually got full when I moved in. I think I will get. I don't know maybe like every three days and we definitely would have been getting the well suited up more over the next coming days bars. Yeah I just moved it. And then I was brought flopping a banana leaf and I was sorry nervous in King like Oh my God. What if I get caught right now and I do see meek little chicken legs walking through the Bush and then I couldn't help tell him he'll so excited you end up telling nick and in the two of you tell Harry before the so. Was that something that you guys always that you were going to do. Like tell Nick and N Harry if he had stumbled on us. You think you might have to the secret. I don't think I would have been able to keep it a secret. Because it's just like something. Sorry Shawn and all my Go-to so excited it's like you don't WanNa like earth new birthday presents in front of nine one. You want to be like this. Sorry Yeah I was probably not what I was prob- I probably would have. I would like to say. Oh my God I could definitely keep a secret in holden to myself that I wouldn't do that because I'd be too excited. Quick Tangent though. The one that you mentioned I think was a very iconic piece of views vice award ribbon. Waterfall iconic pieces. The blue ones the I feel like we need the back story on this. Yes I actually had the exact same onesie in season three but in black and that sort of good because you get five items of clothing. And I'm not gonNA pack Pajama Bottoms and tall. When I can just hacking all in one could the law you know a cute little tiny front pockets for idols. It's really perfect the perfect survivor as you said. It's all in one literally in the name and you don't have to waste a second including on it it's perfect it's so good. It's it's amazing that we did. It have like little feet or at the ankles it just caught up the ankles but then. I put my socks like or at the top of it. You very comfortable like one of it was great. I love it. Will you have the idol. You're going to go to tribal council where you're going to play the idol. Henry is doing crazy thing with his vital. Did you go in expecting to play the idol? Yes because I spoke to Henry spoke to Howard before and Harry said that like everyone is basically like all we need. We can get rid of Henry. But we need to keep strength Blah Blah Blah and. I'm like guys a like. We are not winning anyway are and I love how like everything is always my fault and like no matter what I do. It's like Shawny. Yeah we need to keep the tribes. Strong Chani wasn't even in this challenge. But she needs to go hard but yes I was one hundred percent going to play the idol actually filmed this thing of mainline looking really sad like before we went to tribal council so back on anarchist us like owning. She's going to be going higher but really like knew that I wasn't and then when I voted for Henry the reason I just said like I can't think of anything out was because I really wanted to stay well at least I know I'm not going home with an idol is true savage so I decided to change the end. I mean I think that would have been a good level of savage. I mean it's definitely favelas but the audience would have eaten at all the full guy. Yeah well it was a five five. You obviously negate all the votes. We never see how that would have worked out. Do you have a sense now? What would have happened on the revote if you come to that? I'm pretty sure they. I mean well the stocks that I even got more than one. It just tells me that something is up because I was only meant to be getting one and then pay meant to be splitting on that but yes I feel like I definitely would have went home. If I didn't play that idol coming back from that travel castle. Having received half the voice of the tribe would like how was that dynamic at point. I mean I just went back on my on my way back. I was thinking I was like. I'm not going to be like or quit. Like deadlines for they can they can be. Oh could not me? I'm just gonNA leave my life. I was locked law. Like oh whoops sorry guys ruined plans and everyone comes off in his dislike on. Sorry like we didn't you and Blah Blah Blah like okay we'll clearly deed because I wasn't getting one vote and I got five so but I was just like man because going from that vote. You know it seems that you had a particular grievance with Abby Abby actually somebody voice Henry of of all those athletes especially when it's coming to the revenge plot Shawny Vases Abbey was definitely a thing. So what was that relationship like? I mean I really like Abbie but I guess abby wants to surround himself we strength which I totally get that because I guess she is someone who maybe want to get some folks on the line. People don't obey all. Let's start off the strong ones so that totally makes sense for her. Yeah well going into this. It looks like you're getting beginning more words. It looks like as it was packaged to us. That Shawn is on your side she. She didn't vote for trump castle. And that you just need that as a swing vote as it's been said to US late at the Chandra down and that they try to go with his actor. Try and save you so firstly way. Did you stand in terms of getting back over to your side of the numbers before fellow? Pa Zach was basically on the outside of every black. He wasn't in an alliance and everyone kind of just told him the information last minute and yeah. I think that he wanted to play different games that so basically we went to him with the idea that he could tell us any name he wanted and really take control and play his game. He came here to play. This is your time to play. So he said John and we were all young. And I guess like Sean has such a strong connection with Leo outside of the game. That was hard to get her to turn against what Leo was doing so she pulled out in the end and then there was really nothing we could do except for then. Nick was trying to get the votes onto you. Had said you'd had a connection with Lydia as well in the past. Obviously that's not helping you out. Did you feel like anyone from that? Majority was going to be vouching for you and maybe trying to save your name. You felt like at that point strengthened become such an issue that there was no one from that side who was gonna a few. Yeah I definitely didn't think anyone would be that chain Besides potentially Sean but I mean if she wanted to save me she could easily just because she wanted to break liddiard abby. Anyway she totally could've just went against what video was doing and what the majority would make new majority but she didn't want to and I feel like at this stage. I was already kind of described as the winkler weekly. Who was it that could go onto the? It was John but yet somehow it still my fault so I feel like it was too far gone by then. Leave the fact that before. This wealthy have an idol that saves you. And then you'll say to you by exile. Do you look back. You had done something wrong or made a mistake somewhere to get yourself to that position or you just think that like the perception of us. We are in a tribe run by athletes with too much and it was impossible for you to overcome no matter what you did. Basically when we didn't start out Shaan it was the biggest reason was. Because I'll be ruining my relationship with Sean. And Lydia Nickleby ruining relationship with Leahy and then I mean Harry would be ruining his relationship with Abby and John so we kinda thought for the best of owl features. We should not ruined any relationships with people that we ordinarily Blah Blah Blah. But I feel I if we had out of Sean then things would have been very different and we have you know I may. We could've Made it so it wasn't like Oh my God strength. Strength rank athletes athletes athletes. I mean it's what happens when you start putting Olympians and athletes into a game that used to be for normal people. Of course they're going to band together and use their strikes. Had you come together as a group against the athletes? Do you think you could've like kept Henry on the level without going a little crazy or do you think that would have been hard to manage. I think Henry definitely would have been hard to manage and Nick Norris Henry a lot more than I doing and I see Eli. He would've liked thrown under the boss for anyone. So it still would have been risky either way. Brad do feel like the only way we could have avoided that whole athlete. Strengthen is by going with Henry at the start honestly really really tough spot either way going into that. Tribal COUNCIL WITH SEAN HAS GROPED OUT KNICKS. Trying obviously to get it on that. Did you feel confident about your chances? I felt very I felt sorry. Unin confident about my chances that I didn't even eight. Dina because I was like okay if I didn't have sean then that's done side. Yeah didn't even eat rice because I'm like I mean I'm probably going home's not anyway. So that point. What are you thinking when you hear about this twist? This exile twitter comes into the tribal council. I was like Oh my God yes amazing and I actually was thinking because in my season at the same story is when we had taken exile so I was thinking like there's gotta be something coming up soon and say I was start so you go to x. out with Zach one but how long we therefore neither was. It unites what was happening there. It was one not yet. What was that experience? I I was just like swear I thought about my revenge. Basically I definitely like cried on the way to exile watching my tears and I'm like these Boston's but then I got there and I was like a second wind and I'm like no F. You I'm GonNa take your down. Yeah I mean growing there with Zack. In particular who someone you kind of walk was in the past you've played with before you try to work with again. Have how did that? Relationship evolve over being exiled together. I think it was bright to be excessively sacked. Because he was someone who was on outs never really Bain involved so I feel like it was just a good time for both Boston. We're going to take we can do this like let's get our revenge and we became really close. Did you have an indication of what exile would be like? Did you think you'd be Battling Zach? What did you kind of get an indication that you guys will? Just come back into the game. Well they didn't say that would be doing a jewel And when taken went on my xl they said tomorrow night. We'll send another person and there will do and they didn't say anything like that so I didn't really know what to expect but I woke up and I was like. Oh okay I mean like I think I can win again Zach. Anyway because things about what it was when taken went to exile. It was a building a block. Bill Building blocks and rolling a ball like there is strength. Does not like if you advantage and not at all so I definitely thought like we had a level playing field so I was feeling pretty confident. That could beat him. So coming back you come to the swap. You're put in separate tribes. There's must've been. This must have been a great outcome for you like. There's no Juliet you even have to win back on your back in the game. What was that feeling like? Well when I mean. They showed it when Jonathan is like. Okay he's off. I was like Oh what now like I was like? Kinda like taken back. Variety going to combine sounds good to me and I guess like a similar thing happened in season to Tara and on a lace So yeah that gave me well while I was out there so you going on now to vodka. Ma You are back with some of your old enemies you want revenge on some New People that you know from the old welcome. Ah what are your thoughts on this new tribe? So Minute tribe I will Harry unique on separate tribes. Okay cool at least no matter what happens. I get one of them so we start on that and then I yeah I was just like always nervous s because I knew that obviously Leon Abbey and John would be like Blah Blah Blah strength strength strength. I didn't know I didn't know if she would be on this. Whole Strength Bandwagon. I didn't know if lucky would be on the strength bandwagon. Dark Nar these people but I just went there and I just thought like Kay. How am I gonNA save myself? I'M GONNA save myself by saying that if they want to weaken Makreda for the merge then they need to get rid of the ringleaders like why would they get rid of me. I literally have Nori ties with anyone from my old tribe. They tried to vote me out. I am literally the least threatening person with the lease connections. Why would anyone want to get rid of make? Harry had voted against the exile. And if so how did you feel about it? I did not know that Harry voted for me. I thought that Sean had with me the entire time. I actually never even asked. How are you because I just assumed that those tree Pete's Ner Yeah. I've assumed that it was neat. And Harry 'cause I feel like if you have an option of voting for someone who's not in your lines. Wouldn't you do that and then I found out. I'm pretty sure I didn't even ask him until we got back. And I remember being angry at hiring for like two weeks. I was like how dare you little. So sorry. We've added affected things. Do you think is worse? The other for until he goes out of the game with specially this positive relationships that are going to be a fracture. I feel like it could have actually been better because I feel like if I had married. That Harry voted for me than I would have lobbied for. Hurry to give me the advantage because I would have cared less if Harry left right truly so. There are some important relationships on this new tribe that you're going to have a very long time in the game notably Broken Aka. He seems so close with later in the game wasn't quite an instant connection with these social relationship to take a while to develop. I mean I was taking it quite slow. I didn't WANNA coming like guns. Blazing just like doing the goes. Hey all chatting to the gals I guess just I mean. I think that I can be quite fun. Person to be around so just kind of make them be like. Oh yeah I really like these skills? And he's cool. Yes she's a fun. Time already stopping. You not sleeping well. So don't you want to have fun as well? Yeah I mean this revenge abby and Lydia and John All go and succession who all people who voted against you wait. Like how much do you think was was on you and you also as you said? You've painted them as a leader. Do Credit that is like one of your best news in the game and taking out abby who seemed completely blindsided yes definitely. I think I absolutely love that moment. 'cause I feel like I took back the game for the regular people and Kinda short that you don't need to be a professional athlete. You don't need to be limping to play this game. Sometimes a smart brand and a good personality works and it does because I was able to convince everyone super fast that they need to get rid of Abbey and Lydia and John and it worked. Did you have much of a stay of what that order would be in terms of like Abbie going I I wanted to go? I bought I was kind of like I didn't want to come in the camp and be too pushy. So basically I just gave them all the evidence all the facts like this is what's happening. I've gotten are one. It'd be silly. Excuse me out. I think we should do either. Ide- or Lydia ultrasound do abby and then I think Brooke Perfect to Abbey and Harry wanted to video and then in the end it was kind of like a group discussion and everyone agreed on Abbey. Where I've eaten now. Let's do it. I wanted to make them feel like they haven't say as well because this is their age and they have been working together and the numbers are off. Yeah so at. What point did you ever feel as you were working with them? They did you feel really a part of that group. What did you always like you and Harry will on the outs now? I felt really a part of that group I feel like from the Abbey and I was really like hanging out with the girls that day and I was like okay guys. I'm really going to be blindsided. If you guys like screaming Nar Nar Trust ause like going to and then off that Var gave me a hug and told you got your back and I just yeah. I seriously. There's three weeks on Daca where the best two weeks of any survivor game ever. It was so much fun. We all have the best relationships and yet I felt I felt definitely like upon gang that sad because Nick said his two weeks a Makutu alike his least favourite part of the game that he's ever so it's kind of like a two very different stories there as this is happening. You are watching this happening on the other tribe even though you guys are going to try much more obviously you voted. Lydia phoebe on the drive to fire what we your perspective on watching what was happening on the other tribe. I mean I could tell like people say that Phoebe was blindsided but she definitely wasn't because I feel like even broke. Made a comment like okay. We'll see the noise going home tonight. She's really made an effort with a hair for exit. Tell she looks like Hell Nova's so I thought it was going to be phoebe but there was a lot of nick in there as well and something that nick did. I loved. He kept on being like you know what Jackie and Tauzin they all they shoot straight from the hip Blah Blah Blah. He was basically telling us that if he goes. It's because Tarzan and Jackie majorly screw right. So in that I challenge is heavily rooting against Lydia. Yes I was like. Oh come on on Harpo. It's like someone's doing the cursed each that's me. I'm like come on. Come on baby come on Baby I love. I love that vision. If only magic were real and you'd be like doing curse. Yes help. Eighty Mako Phya. We now leave he lost. I didn't know that you like Z. Yeah someone that. We haven't spoken about a lot. Who is sewing? You've played within season three. Who's Matt he's a he's on the outside? You have much of a thought on where you go. You'll games together. Yep Sorry I I had a conversation at the border and it was basically like once we get rid of Abby Lee off than we can all stick together. We're not all of us but then made on. Matt Harry could work together and that was definitely something that we were. We had the horizon for sure so in terms of like when it's Lydia this is Matt as auction could go home. Were you very much then pulling the lady are not having Madison option. Yeah definitely I did not want to go home that night. Any wanted Lydia to go harm. Oeste the Abbey. We go back to camp and I like gave linear hugs off. Must be must be pretty shocked right now so I went up and gave linear Haagen. I'm like are you GonNa Stop Gunning for me Leo. And she was like yes and then I was happy to say that I was actually not unlike good girl good girl but it's probably spoke to how much you've got in your roots into the tribe that you went the next option and she had to go for a different targets so that speaks you had like monetize and everyone so quickly since good so getting to the John Birch. It seemed like really wanted to this game on its head. He's approaching Harry and you and John and slick to a degree so we took a look at it a little bit in the exit interview. This is something that the fan community not assume. The vast majority is definitely fad community. Like this is where it all went. Wrong football coma. Do you look back at that. Like you should have made the change or did you feel competent in the group and that it was just other things went wrong along the way I mean. I knew that if I did go with that I feel like there was definitely a lot of things that went wrong. Along the way but I feel I like I had tried to talk to me you know. We don't get very long to chat but you do get looted time like in challenges himself and always trying to ask about her wedding and honeymoon and I mean I think just the type of person that needs to take a while to get to know someone who doesn't really boomed people right away so for me. Not What with? Not a lot of the reason was because I just did not peach off. Maury welcoming me with open arms to her alliance and I'm just thinking like I'm going to get that Moore is GonNa be like this and and then I'm going to go anyway. It is funny because I feel like you know in terms of the eyes of the fads. You down you damned if you do it. You know you look back at giving tower at the pre swap to the athletes and trying not to rock the boat as much and people insult that and say that. Oh you should've gone with a new group. And now you have a very clear. Winning Group and people are like Whoa. You should have given power back to the athletes and just been pulling for them. It's and move and I feel like both criticized by like the the object critics tardily. That's why you just go to not worry about what they say. Leave your in life of the people that can tell me what to do or give me advice. People have come in fourth place then. I'm definitely willing to listen to what I should be doing. But people sitting harm that have never even played survive all. Yeah I think I can take their fair enough. We'll so this this vote with Matt. He obviously does want you to flip where you were you close to doing that. Do you feel or the you know given the fact is you just outlined with no. It was just never gonNA happen. You really did way at all so we definitely did weight off at this point. I had already got my own way ways Lydia and abby and I didn't want Harry to feel like he's just hustle. Everything I say eight so I told her either. I've I'm really satisfied with my lawsuits. And this partnership so he can like choose what we do and I'm GonNa be one hundred percent happy with it. He wanted to out Brooke which I wasn't happy to do. But I would have done it if Harry wanted to because we were so close and like I said I didn't want to just make him feel like he had to do everything I said. But then those this whole like behind the scenes debacle which went down where Harry basically said to Matt that we will vote together off. But he has to tell more to Kate Nick. Safe and exchange off to work with him and then basically if I go cold Matt obviously has to go back to camp and people are going to orbit chatting anyway so Matt Decides to Tell The Full Story to Aka including the part that hey made to tell Mario to Cape Nick Safe and then tells Harry that neak like daubed on the plan to him and then Harry was like well. I don't WanNa work with someone who isn't even gonNA keep any aspect of our deal private and the not. Marmot was the moment was just like not less to stick with original. Welcome so AK go tarry. That Matt had dope on Him. Yes for listeners. Daubing tattletale because they often don't know that saying involving Tiki. Lee made up word. Don't you think Stephen Deauville Daba? And that's why he got voted out of the game. You know well yes that was the digital. But that's true. And he so he told his whole plan. So at that point. Obviously something you cancel. Do obviously that they would know about but you just didn't. Harry didn't trust mad at that point once he'd outlived the whole plan yet. So not outside the whole plant Ak. Harry didn't trust him. Harry didn't WanNa work with someone who didn't like he couldn't rely on. I think that if he hadn't of told Akmata part about keeping the say it will have been a big deal but I guess the fact that he told me about the neat part of the deal. I guess that was like the pharmacist. Role Harry and than I already said that having our partnership casing choose who guards and I will vote with him regardless so then I was just didn't really think about I was just like Harry said so. That's going to guard. Why was Brooke Harry's target? I actually can't even remember ball. All right well. Maybe she was like the Queen Leading it. If she lucky couple it would. He wanted to take one off the couple and maybe he wanted to keep bookie for this drank. How Boring You Harry? If that's true okay. Well I guess we'll get that from Harry. I'm getting to the Matt. Vote next. Had this relationship and this working relationship you vote him out he votes for you. What were your feelings about that? You'd feel like it was that strengthening again and appealing. Yeah I mean I've seen like that's not really the top of wouldn't have wanted to play a game based on strength but I feel like he really had more options and that's just something that he can be like appeal to the people he's been with since day one and I'm obviously outside and then he can say you know let's just say to try and strong but I feel like he would have had more of a short if he went. Hari because everyone trusted may way more than Harry. We'LL HARRY AT THIS. Point is offering to have voiced split on him what was left by that moves Yeah I was like. I didn't want him to do that because always say one. Eighteen stained the game. I guess I mean I see where it's coming from. Everyone for some reason did not trust Howard. Always like Sean Hannity show. And I'm like is yes I mean. Obviously we didn't but yeah they everyone just like no one really trusted him evill. Sorry I feel like that was a good way for him to. We didn't have to be like going behind was back as a split. Vote going to be on And it was a wife. Harry's be like look I'm trustworthy guy so with Matt going Herman and Obviously Harry offering to split you guys and now at this very trustworthy it seems group of Sakes Fleece couldn't home but the six felt like a perfect little group of sakes like the happiest time as you've said was there a real sense of the dynamic. Did you feel like you Harry? Were at the bottom. Obviously Harry felt very concerned around this time when he's trying to play the advantage on did you feel like flick was definitely on. The bottom was so happy and peaceful that there's that hierarchy wasn't immediately clear. I definitely felt like happy like it was. I hope the best time six or such a good number but I felt like I had been working both of the girls because I knew that they had trust issues each other. So I'll kind of like spend time with them and then also. I know you guys have an arrangement that you're not going to get out each other until merged like that. So risky Blah Blah Blah. Just talking like not even coming from an aggressive stretch angle just like a friend angle like how does not what's not lie off. I thought that yes that would be ready to take children. So yeah obviously. The broken flick thing had been burning for four years in terms of of the flick bar. When you're hearing different things about like who's GonNa be getting votes. Did you trust that the fleet for it would be? What would happen Sorry I guess the reason we went with slick was because if we voted out and broke a lucky than the other one would like Gordon merge really angry but I said that he was happy to get rid of flakes. So it was really. It was more doing 'cause this is going to be so confusing because I didn't show it on TV. Should I even bother. Yes No definitely so basically Aka was happy to vote on slick because on our he said that they they want as tight and I guess he wanted to play the game of one auditory and then broke and lookie wanted to hire you. Because they didn't trust Harry and then flick was going to be voting for me as a split vote as well but it was basically Aka the convinced lucky and broke to outflank with us so that yeah like he was really like come on. You can do it like this is your revenge. Let's say you got and she votes you out. The and I think it helps that I really wanted to work with economic. I mean Harry nine still to this day we always debate like who would have AK sided with me and hurry will look in Brooke and Hiring. I always say that he would side with us but obviously broken lucky. Like no you decide with us so it really goes to show you what a great game. Aka was playing as well. The whole really came down to AK pushing it And then at tribal council they said. Let's go with option which was look which was a case of all of us buying for flicked. So Do you feel that? It was very much convinced. Tribal it was before tribal but he convinced them that plan. I mean he was really working them before tribal but you was at tribal. That broke said. Let's go with option. A. To really switch to flick Yemen. Harry stands up and tries to play an advantage because you know all that he had an advantage at this point I did it but he said something like something about are calling them what he said something about blowing tribal up. I feel like a nervous. Nellie when I'm around Tyre want him to behave and shut up but he's always like hostage title of this stuff at tribal. Oh quiet attention. So when he pulled out the advantage I was just so confused. My okay first of all. Why didn't you tell me about the second of a what is basically? It's not an idle at more. He's it does seem like y'all persons of telling even though he's being pretty cagey about it and we heard that using to be most on the train. They needed to give it to nick. Yeah I was excited and I was thinking like Oh. This is amazing but in the end zone. Risky like we just didn't are because inside night. Okay so when we were in lockdown we had this like rules guidelines and saying that we put an initial it every pages with a five page document and we like ninety nine percent Shaw it said merges at twelve. If you make twelve jury so we were thinking especially well okay. So this means that we're going to delay it by one anyway when I go out and I asked about. She's like a guideline serious. I really took that as Gospel. Yeah that's crazy. That was what the side of this so you so you. You obviously had some fears that if you went back to tribal it could have been you will harry but like. I really really wanted to save nick on the other side so you even pushing it despite that. Oh that was a dealbreaker view so every time we kind of like went to challenge something. David always be talking about how he was like when we left and he's like well. I'm just glad I'm still. He'll also with automatic authority. He was such a good cover up so we really thought that Dave was on the Baden especially because Brooke had previously use an idol to save Dave lucky day really close so I guess they really trusted him and he was kept on being like Ahmed. I'm screwed like I'm we see guys as soon as we get and and then when broken I went are To the what was it. Like the bill t reward. I actually could not heal so nicot whispered to me. I'm we see guys one hundred percent and also hardy that but then we'll sitting in the shelter and he was whispering softly. That actually could not hear anything so I was like By couldn't hear what he was saying and he was being held like snaky because he said that he couldn't really chat to us so they want to be like sorry. Nick what are you saying like make Satan bought something? They didn't shy which had like a massive factor was broke got given. Dave's faith idol when we were at the reward so that if they lost the next tribal council broke could hand it to Dave and then because they would be left out dot tribal council so he wanted to use it as like on about to be voted out. Can you give me give me this? Fake idol send. They might not vote for me because I think of FAKE IDOL. So that in itself was just like okay. Wow Dave must really be on the bottom so we didn't really know if nick would be going or if they would be going. Yeah and you would have heard who have didn't go would be working with you as well. Yeah so you thought that you'd have some numbers there without delaying it. And then obviously the fear of delaying and then going back and AK fighting with and and at that point I give Harry getting voted out like I understand dicey situation. I just wished they said. Hey guys don't worry this is not delay merge we will merge at thirteen instead then. We'll be like okay. That's good perfect. All I can even if we just lost that immunity challenge. I'm like that would have been better off. Because then we could have used the stock the tribal for ourselves and then we would have just found out the next day that we would have just bought merged forward. Yeah a lot of things went wrong. Asking the producers was Harry often produces about all these questions. I'm pretty sure he would have. But they wouldn't have explained that they never yet we would be like oil is today immunity or reward and they would never tell us they don't even tell us how many they kind of say like twenty minute warning before we leave for a challenge but I definitely do not give you like inside information about the day that will be merging because even in the lead up to you merge we were thinking I might swap so we were like Oh always trying to be like okay so guys better take all of our staff tribe swallowed not yet you can never get any actual information so getting to the merge. Obviously nick is void out. What what are your feelings here using that? Obviously Dave is been on the bottom. Are you feeling good value chances at the merge so rock enough in? Saint Nick have been voted off was like hell I was like I really thought that if anyone who's leaving it might be. Dave is obviously the idol that grew gave him was not a real one. So Yeah I was definitely upset by also I thought we still have seven potentially because we believed like one hundred assembly the xactly work with me and and they believe that. David Walk with them so I still thought like we still have the chance getting back with Zach. Obviously you're talking about getting him to bond with Brooke and we've heard in in hindsight from a few people Zach was really good here. It kind of swindling you guys. You feel like this was some of his best work yet. Definitely I mean I I definitely thought that Zach never got a chance to play old McCurry too. I mean. I can't imagine him really having that much. Say in New Mexico off but I really believe that this would be his time to just like you know he got to choose. Choose who we went and he would really play and he was definitely like yeah. This is my shot. I've been playing from the bottom. I'm ready to take control and I definitely believe Tim so broke down to him. Was anything from either. Dave was act. That indicated to you that something was immensely. You just believed it who clients INCA I was pretty like I mean obviously going to travel count so thinking of. Oh there's a big chance. He could the way because he never really. You always saw nervous. The I definitely believed that I thought it made sense for them to walk with us and I always try to think when I'm playing. What would I do if I was Persson? Sorry Zach de not. He was really annoyed at Sean for her older flip-flopping and he hadn't got a chance to play and also he could join us and then he was at five he seeks. He could've made like an Alpha alliance so it really like everything really. In my opinion it made sense for him to actually go ahead with it so I was pretty quick line sinker. He had you had some success at this merged vote. Have you thought very far down the track about how you wanted the game to go and who you wanted to be sitting next to at the end so often after? We've heard that Sean than I wanted to go out and also because I didn't want to let them get to a number where they all just take over so I wanted to Tauzin next and I need it ties in with someone that hadn't really done much strategizing so I feel like a lot of people wanted to take him to the end. Probably just a win against him so I thought that would gangs for us as well. But I mean I'd be stage. I was feeling pretty confident in myself. And what I believe so far so I was pretty much like happy to sit against anyone except for day on will you? You win immunity well at the stage. What did it feel like for that? Moment I'm a Gaudy was so good to win Amina V. especially the one because he's the one where you really find out who's lying and WHO's not and I think I want it in like it was really quick. We've a couple of minutes. Yeah and I think it took because people use our same equipment and they do for us and it took them five fifty three minutes and then I did it in like four minutes or something so yeah but the stupidest thing about that was like people were moving the head from the towel to their bowl. And I'm like why would you do if you move ahead? You'RE GONNA go off balance and you don't need to feel inside the bowl do you really need you is to Norwalk soccer fields at the ball? You bound to find some. It's just unnecessary yourself. Off Balance With head movement. That is a good way to have that challenge if anyone goes on the show and the future an easterner record time like you did. Don't move your head to head with boxall towel focus but yeah it was. I was so happy to win. Not I feel like that's when I was like ha ha ha. This game isn't just about Olympia. And also yeah. I mean you became something of a challenge beast after the whole first half of the season being about like your your battle with the athletes. Yes heartily so coming back from that blindside. You know it's not great you've been you've been had basically by David and Zach and now you're in this group of four against seven. How did you feel? Did you feel like you guys had much of a chance to sway people or in hindsight you feel like you should have broken up that group soon on? I mean I always like never give up part because there's always like if you just going to not try this ball cart so I was still hurtful that we could turn it around the obviously always thinking. Okay well this one has been good if I had not because maybe he would be looking out for me as well but yeah you can't turn back time. Yeah I mean he's Lea and that again that you guys are targeting to work with you. Did you have much faith in them at that? Point Nari so we didn't have much faith at all but al thing was. I could tell that Jackie was really grinding on somebody gears Alice. We tried to use that as like a come on. Why didn't use voter out? Now while you can and then you still have vision still flip back the very next door. Et want jury. There's nothing we can do about it. But why don't you just get rid of someone who annoys you so having worked with Harry this whole time? Not knowing that he had voted for you before. What was it like to have him leave the game? You've obviously just lost Nick. And the numbers Lual. Yeah I was so on that challenge the one that he went heart and it was really nice. Show it It was a beautiful sunset and we knew that like one of us would be going home that night so we were like goodbye. It's been great pleasure and we said a really nice goodbye to each other. We're still going to give it a shot at travel botch. It was nice to say goodbye. Always definitely aimed like really miss him when voted Democrat? My Buddy from day one is gone. Yeah Dave we wanted to take out Harry based on like some we consecutive days that that he wanted but how fearful that he would be your name. That was the next one taken out. Yeah I spent like because I had won the first challenge so easily. I definitely thought they might vote for me as well. So yeah and you don't have immunity at that at that tribal council you went into the next one. The last one one as well as you think targeted you at that point considering like how much damage you end up doing. I mean I feel like Dave already had his plan and he didn't want hurry to get those consecutive numbers for season. Four so I think it made sense for him. It just goes to show. I feel like if someone in your home highlands is like. Hey guys of honey to have more numbers than Harry obviously thinks about things a lot and that should have been warning signs. These alliance like Whoa. Dave is really thinking hard. We you at this point. Pretty aware of what day was doing by the age? Definitely because by this stage it was basically Dave telling from here on out. All of David is threats. Basically him trying to tell me what to do and me say not. Just a really did not like that. I guess he comes from an alliance way. He was the leader so to for him to tell me like a case. You don't have to turn on AK and then maybe like not because I have a vote and I can do what I want with it. He yeah he didn't like that. Yeah I mean on a serious note the game guess to a point now where Lee is going to be taken out because of his mom was that shift for you in terms of anything emotionally. I mean I'm sure it was obviously something very difficult there at the time having not won reward. So can you talk to us a bit about that? Yeah when that was just like the saddest thing of Couldn't help but crime so sorry. I'm just thinking about how much I'm like so obsessed my mom and if something happened while I'm on the islands and then you WanNa get hiring but you can't just instantly at harm it takes a like. I think he took him like more than twelve hours. Even get hearten up pretty remote pontiff Jay so yeah that was totally devastating and I feel like often not no one really felt like having strat chats because it was true certain yet game shifts so quickly you guys have to go back to community challenge after all along with William. You challenge that you one which was great winning two out of three. What was that like when I'm on my second one? I was literally dislike. Ha ha ha once again. I have proved full. The regular people do not mean to be not athlete. Olympia in this is normal. People and normal people can do this so I was started and I felt like the fact that no one was cheering. Me It was pretty funny. I was like planes. Where every time someone was you can do it. I'd be like Oh Sean you can do it and on things for place my name everything. They said just cheering my cell phone and I just knew that like people really do want me to win so I felt like fighting way not be going harm will you. Winning does give you some power because it seems like before you guys know about exile. It's GONNA BE AK and Brooke. Who had the two options and avoid split and it seems like your vote might actually be the most important because if the majority split it three three and Brooklyn Aka. Vote for each other. You're win the day. So who would you have sided with at that stage? I was GONNA avoid. I was going to vote for inside. It's Brooke because I figured that if I get rid of broke now then is just GonNa get me next anyway. But if I get rid of ATA Brooke and Maru had disliked interesting relationship where I felt like potentially broken I could sway Sean and work with us but I felt like I needed. Brooke there to help me get more seem like it was a quite a divided group in terms of like pulling people off. I did it feel very divided camp so Mario liked may like all gonNa vote for. She's like any. She was basically keen on keeping broken. The game and Dave was keen on keeping ATA in the game. But I I'm like why can't really really what the Dave Anyway and so. My best chance is to Cape broke. And then use her her relationship with Mari to try and create something. Can you side Norwich? It was the gills voting for Brooke. And the GUYS OVER AKA. I mean sorry it was. Yeah it was the guys who running fake so I believe that if it came down to it that Dave Anzac would have just started. Put adverts on Brooke really believed that they would have let me have the power to decide. What's best for my game? Yeah I do tend to agree with that. And Dave indicated and deep dive that the Split Vote. The pure threes put vote did come as a result of knowing about exile rather than just being what they necessarily would have been doing anyway because for the exile. Here you find that you're gonNA have a little bit of how three people going to go to exile exile again. If you've already been two on the season what was your thoughts on the twits when you first heard about it. When I heard about the tweets I was like yes. It's amazing but then when I had the second part of the tweets that we're going to have another one tomorrow and more people are GonNa Guard always kinda bombed. I was like what this swam for two hours. And all I'm doing is saving myself from one night on exile like I'd probably just go to the first night and hang out friends and also I've won. Three Individual Immunities on survivor and two of them have been non elimination rounds so I was like damn. I'm really always are inlaid winning ones. That are non elimination but will say like that's the game and I mean I'm pretty lucky that I didn't get eliminated and went to exile. The first time did it did obviously lessen the significance of your immunity win because it stiff saving life in the game in means that you'd have to follow it up with a second immunity when teeth yourself truly safe from exile and that's not what you signed up for. I would have had to win three back to back just to avoid going on the one that I wouldn't have went on the first one so I was like. Why do we have to have like the second day thing? You really screw me but it did. It did give you guys some some time which we'll talk about. You GotTa make happen. Why did three of you vote from? Oh why was that your choice from our because we don't want to go there because they was always winning. The challenges and more was second in charge of that alliance From my opinion and so we thought that would be good and I mean she was one of the first ones to be dropping out on the immunity challenges. Kind of like over the board like if it was like a holding white one or swimming one. Oleg Basically Marsabit Challenges. She was in the first lot. People thought that would be the best chances for them as well. Did the majority appeal to you. Once three votes carried a lot of weight. And you'RE GONNA be the fighting. Who would go to exile. Did they start trying to appeal to you? Why should we be voting for them or they just let you go? Whoever you wanted. That was going to tell us anything we were going to want to do. So it was really point. I feel like how that's pretty outrageous from to listen to me. You vote for this person when shut up. Now we actually have evolved convenience or something so we're GonNa do it anyway. Yes going back to camp and having your allies at all and losing immunity to Sean. Did you know one hundred percent that you were going to exile or was any chance for you to stay around a new one hundred percent that I was going to exile unless on an idol. So I spend my offering looking for an idol on my knees. I wanted to bring Jackie with me and I was already knew lives and breeds in. May to be involved in straight shots so I just looked for an idol founded frustrating day because I was kind of looking forward to this whole thing because I thought okay. Finally people are going to start saying that like. David is in charge of their alliance and like now's the time we have to be like. Okay Save Yourself. Half Moon Dollars. That's a lot of money. What can you do to save yourself? And then people are literally all. I don't want to go but Dave Sarah after a series so you don't care about half million knock on guard try and do something to see what how can you just. It was sorry frustrating with those things. You actually think just Kenya ahead. No I said it I was like what are you going to do? Something about it even at tribe account so I can't remember I played. I was definitely like yeah. It's frustrating when you saw desperate to stay in this game and then you have people that alike all will. I don't want to go to exile but I guess I've got to Dave said and it was funny. I don not basically by the end before trump council Zach did not seem interested in going to exile anymore obviously days like walk around limping coughing. Like oh I can't go. Mtc and Zach was like. Oh Yeah I didn't really WANNA go eat album blah. Then we walk up and Zach was really like we're really making a point to tell the jury that's act was being a champion and a hero and He really excel and I was like really didn't really seem like that way softener camp just like China. Tell them what's happening guy listen to them? He doesn't WanNa go in terms of brain. Jackie Ova was just from a social respective. Because you felt like you could flip if you had a well. I mean I'm not going to bring I couldn't bring Sean a definitely. DidN'T WANNA BRING DAVE. Because he was like he's one of the best challenges anyway so I was happy with dot com and then outweigh rather be Jackie orthodontia and because Tarzan like you can't do anything with him anyway he was I daren't even Nari why he bought. I don't know that's burt. I mean like he went on this guy when he's earthly said many times that are I'm just here for the journey and all this off and I'm like what I'm pretty sure most positive half million and it's it's annoying trying to play with paper people who aren't even interested in winning themselves so yeah. Duckie was definitely a good choice of yours. Strategic play seems to be around like what is best for you and what people want and working with them to achieve your goals but I guess with ties and it must be odd. Because he's yeah well his goals on self preservation and self serving and that's what you appeal to and if he doesn't have that then how you going to flip on his allies when goal is to help his allies. Yes totally like the whole aim is to think about what people want and how they can make their game forward moves again for how you can help them do that because you just go someone be like do it for me me like no you need to appeal to what why is going to be better flipped them and Jackie. It's easy because you can be like they don't even care about you. They send you here like no one's cheering for you. Do you really WanNa go home without making them. What are you GonNa do if you get to the end? But if he tries toss it he's GonNa be like. Oh well. I'm deceived journey with Jackie oversee. You convince her over was it. You've talked about how it feels like. She was kind of annoying. Some people was this stuff that you could already very much fee or was it even more. Obviously you could've exile because they were forcing her to go and you really use that specifically Yes I definitely knew that she was on the outside. That's why we've US vote. Tried to get people to vote you out because usually the bottom and then if that's what it was you can use the post in from the bottom to help get majority But it was definitely very evident when she didn't want to go to exile but yet people her go there. I mean it's our fault for not trying to do anything else. Yeah it was definitely quite clear and then we got there and Anita. Her Doc didn't have the best relationship and Aka non would just do we would. It was so funny. Would like go off one of the age and like Kinda like? Oh Yeah. How annoying was that and then just make. It's so much worse than and then eighteen. I would link back up and like laugh about. What was your reaction to developing understanding of the twists like? Gop is going to tell you. It's not just a challenge. It's now it's like before you get voted to exile. So were you feeling better about that because you could use social skills or you like. Oh Damn now we might actually be taken out by this majority I. It was a feel like it was so bad for us either way like you. Don't challenge immediately ballots. Basically if you don't win annual still up on the chopping block but yeah it was bad regardless but. I guess it was a little bit better knowing that. At least we had a short. Did you feel very confident about that. Voted Time where you were like convincing Jackie and you guys acting like definitely vote for each other. Did you feel confident? In the valujet he would vote with you. Confident that Jackie boat with auspices. Jackie native drew. Something Jackie was. She won't that money. And what was she going to get to the end and be like I played a quiet game? Like that's what People WanNa hear. In an old style season I feel so felt like this was her opportunity like if she's not going to do it now. When is she going to make a move? And I was just so happy that she was not questioning because obviously a really bad time to flip like flipping to an even number so bad. We start. Glad she wasn't really questioning like how that would work next time. We're you aware that she had told Mohan Sean. About the plan yes We told her not to tell them but she and she told us that she did tell them. And then so that was kind of lie on great Going to spoil this for US having knowing that information if it's something that you thought about to use later on like maybe when you were in you know dire straits even even at at Joel Joel with keeping head a little bit now but with Sean and Dave being so crucial to the dynamics going forward did you think about telling Dave maybe the John had known and trying to drive a wage between those groups yes basically broke went out today on one day and was basically pitching. Sean and saying especially like putting on but I'm not really sure I mean we discussed it and then she went off to do it. Wasn't that time but it would definitely. I don't know if she actually told him that I'm pretty sure she'd did. I say that he knew that he's been told him that. Okay then maybe but yeah. We definitely tried to Sean against a and it was quite funny. 'cause the Marmot we knew the day wasn't into. It was when all of a sudden broken at the well and ties in comes. Running out of date told me that you guys WanNa vote. Sean Yep Dave told me like Dave said God and now we're going to do that and we were thinking mart. That's a lie. Because why would tommy stretch out with US ever? Why would he be the one that quickly running up to us like it just didn't make sense at all? Yeah I mean I think this is all. You're skipping ahead to the point where you're trying to lead you sean. We'll throw her under the bus. But before you get there. You have convinced Jackie away. You have voted out that act. Who has something of a relationship with us and go at any point? No it wasn't his. I knew it'd be meeting so I feel like what am I going to rely on? Let's all just go instead like it's a dog. Eat Dog world out there. So what is the feeling having made that massive flip happen now being a full full when you were at a point at six thirty yeah getting to fossil was like Anaya on hunger games like may the odds be ever in your favor and I felt like for once they were getting close to having them in my life. Yeah so this now is GonNa be where you're going to go to Rox if that's the plan to vote against you vote for more over here. State has immunity because Mari was like the second in charge we saw was Nari. Worries to us like Sean Day. Basically Dave and actually would be like. Hey Sean a good point to someone. Having a conversation should be aiding her rice. Get off the boat off to them to like listen to that conversation say tion or I remember one time Jackie and having a stretch walkers will eating lunch now putting some salt water into there is no stretch hiding and then Murray was like. Hey Sean don't you need some? Bryce WE WATER AND SEAN GETS OFF. Runs out to the ocean so I listen to them and then I broke like pointing back to the beach. And like talking to Sean next minute. Shawn's like comes back so Brooke was like be strong. Independent Woman Sean. You're into listen to their orders. If you WANNA eat your lunch in pace and not have to like run off their Austin. Nothing just like Dr. Do Whitby do what you WANNA do. But yeah that's basically why we wanted to take out more. Because she had waymo cal than besides Dave will. I mean Sean Someone. You obviously worked with early on in the game. Who now isn't working with you at all screwdriver? Early on in the game to be fairly well and as you said that you would want points. We'll try to with obviously throw under the bus. It worked against her. So what was that relationship like with Sean? In general through this post merge amass feel like Sean and I always like actually had some really nice like bonding moments. Busty like it's just really frustrating for someone to tell you constantly like Yep Yep Yep hundred percent and then they just dark follow-through feel like she goes above and beyond to Bayliss Yup Yup. Yup when I'll just be like all look. I'm still weighing my options. I'm not sure I'm like really GONNA win. I'm going to do what I want to do. Instead of. Just like repeating the same sentence over and over again and then never actually following through with it But I once again tried to think what would be best for Shawn's game and like when is it ever a good idea to guard the end? The person who gave you the orders like I feel like that's really not a good idea. Sorry for me. Yeah always tried to keep a relationship even off to like several things why she just didn't come through for us but just to be like. Hey why would you wanNA keep David in the game? Yeah I mean where you having those conversations with her about Dave specifically constantly basically going back to Rox so we thought Davis is so smart so we thought that he would be voting for either myself. Broker Aka subtly takes one of us out of the equation. And that's better odds for the other Either going after all and then especially fly Brooklyn immunity or something. Then they'll only be one of us left and then as more of the original material that would be going to Rox as well and then it was dave claim the fact that diverted for Jackie made the rocks and it makes it really bad if one seventy five percent chance of one of us going because we no longer have one of us being safe by the rocks that makes sense and then also the fact that he played an idol for. Tarzan just made the odds even worse. So I feel like it wasn't doing really have it. Was more dave than Sean so dave should really be getting the credit for plane from telling his. Alliance vote for Jackie. That's amazing and then also playing his idol for Tarzan to reduce the orange. I even more. He basically made it impossible for us. Yeah anymore if it had been say. Dave's two wins immunity but vote for one of the three of you and save you with rocks and he doesn't play the item and then the buccaneers three when you have a forty percent chance of going home but he made it a seventy five percent chance going home. So that's a lot more presenting points for you is a lot more risk so I I totally get it in the time. Where you're like talking to Sean and you probably aren't going to go to because of this pressure off. What are you trying to get out of that interaction? Why are you just trying to get shot? It's laws in the hope that she will in the future. So we were just trying to tell Sean like we will to Brock's And Sean doesn't really like to take risks anyway so I actually really thought that she would jump with us on the second round so basically we would just like strong otting. We're going to do it no matter what. So if you don't WanNa go to. Roxanne you bet for Jackie. And obviously she doesn't. I mean obviously. She doesn't end up very more than she gets back and then she regrets it and tries to boy got tries to get full well. My wife knew me while he was still writing. And then when she's telling us that like is she's with Oss and for me it makes sense like why would anyone wanNA keep Dave in the game? It just does not compute to me at all it is the silliest water and get it and it just. I feel like if anyone's going to be forty nine Dave. That's yeah it seems makes sense. This is what I also understand what all I need to Waken Day. I need to weaken day. But Hey you know what? Wait and save a lot if you actually get rid of him. Why do you always need to be on e? Take his best friends. I need to weaken Huma Tarzan's like what are you waking him by taking him out of the game and then you give yourself a better shot at winning. It just does not make sense. But we're hoping that she would come with you and vote out Dave and knowing the new miracle pressure that David could wear three out of four chance. One of the volcanoes goes. Did you do even entertaining going rocks even still or you knew you weren't GonNa rock to that point. I mean we're we're kind of entertaining as well because I was kinda thinking like all like the only way on getting entity basically wheaton boys ages so definitely still thinking about them. We'll just like no what Dave seventy five percent chance. We have an offer from Sean that she would get upset with us and not make sense. Why would anyone want to keep tapping the game Will now you come back to cabinet as three of you? And there's obviously Mo- Dave and Sean in the middle and she's talking more you guys as we've seen and ties doesn't trust me. Trust it using quite confident that China would be with you because as you said it makes sense to you to take out Dave was did. You have doubt in that. Yes she would over to talk to them and then she'll come talk to us and I would like US locking down like oh sean repeating what Dave told you to say. She's like no no. I'm not I'm we weekly guide but you're just trying to think of it from her point of view so I was hopeful that she would try to benefit her aren game and take out Dave. I mean to be fair. I think I was a massive threat as well. I had an amazing savings. That's very briefly Resume so I feel like it would have made sense for her. I would have appreciated being for that but then the next being David. So kinda ease for something but very me out and then not very. David just doesn't make sense. I was hurtful but at the same time I knew that she didn't have a good track record on actually doing so. I told broke AMAC Brooklyn lay my Sarong for you is a song is so good he can like use it to Tan. You can use off the get out of the water anyway. I gave my Sarong Brooke so that she can have it if I was burned out that night but I was still hurtful. We're you aware on. Did you suspect date had another idol then at seven? I had no idea that they've had another idol. But it's isn't it insane that he had too many idols and not enough people? Earning him I mean not problem like Oh yeah. I'm fine ause. I've got an alliance that listens to everything I say I've got to idol. Was the People Norio about and no one no chance to use them going home as you do after a handful of battle if you look back like there was something different that you could have done. Could you've been maybe targeting? Sean would you feel like you played all the cards in the hand dealt and it was nothing you could do. I definitely felt like I played every single cod. I could have and for me. There's only so many times like we do. Try TO SEAN Today. That wasn't happening. They really wanted to break us up. And there's only so many times you can tell someone like hey we really feel game two days and Econ just keep on repeating myself at some stage you just have to be like look if they know what's good for them they're gonNA come with me but if not. I'm so proud of my game never once. Have I succumbed people telling me what to do and doing it against my will? I was super proud of myself and I just thought man you've done everything you can being closer to the end as you were now on if Sean had gone with you and you had gotten a majority here. Had you thought more about how you would see your pathway to the end and who you'd be sitting next to if you could get so after we dave. I told Sean that she can choose a the Brooklyn and I'm happy to let them go the stage but I just wanted dave out because he is the number one threat young and then I didn't WanNa go up. I mean I kinda. I was a little bit hesitant about going up against AKA on. This is such a great speaker tribal council that I was like. Oh man like public speaking is not my forte. And I feel like I really tried to emphasize that I travel. Council aren't even told people are really struggling my end space because I'm not good at public speaking thinking that could kind of keep me around. I would have went up against anyone. I feel like you know I had used an idol quickly. I came back from exile one. He will try to vote me out as the challenge of I mean a challenge. Volt wake and then all of a sudden unlike winning challenges so I definitely felt was his name. I would've loved to go up again. Sean and I could have been like yeah. You guys underestimate. Maybe because it's expected that Sean Shawn's mainly before she knows how to get to the end. He's done this but she is a challenge as she is sue fall. Like she's amazing but what you didn't expect expect her to get here but you didn't expect to get he'll will. Let's talk about being on the jury options in front of you spoken today. He was he was on a jury. Naked was on the jury. So I WANNA get your take on some of these match up so if it had been Motza Sean. Who Do you think would have won in the end? I would've argued for Mario but I think Sean would have one. How do you think Sean Lee beginning? Okay I think Sean would be getting. Jackie Akan actually. Oh God she would beginning Sean. We'll begin Sarhadi because they go really. I would have voted for more. I think Roku would've voted for home. Maybe I think I tell you. One hundred percent would've Sean lucky would've voted for Shah on. Tarzan would have voted for Zack. What actually maybe so that League Harry and Dave Yeah uninsured. Talk to Harry. But it doesn't like it would have been pretty close. Because Harry's voting the Sean but I mean if as letting from more which I think he probably would have nothing like more would have had the numbers in a five to four six three even if Sean is getting a and lucky and Jackie yeah Yes actually I have one in a in against Sean. Don't get one. More was so about weakening day instead of just taking him out and giving herself a better shot. What about Mo Sean vessels? Tarzan just very montage could've beaten wouldn't have won against anyone. What about Dave? The has anyone anyone could have lost to G. Think I think I did have a really good presence myself. Feel like if I could have come the closest thought I thank you. I couldn't use. I know that he was the mall. But I feel like if anyone was gonNA come close to Dave. It could have been me. I think someone said the other day like Murray would have won against Eve. She definitely wouldn't have got. Maybe one from Sean potentially and I think Tauzin exit off toews and said that day. He's close allies. Dave and then one hundred percent everyone else would have voted for dave and it just because Dave is just. It's insane how good he is like. How could you explain? What was the general sentiment? The jury like with anyone that people were like particularly rooting for particularly rooting against when before? You know you'd ask going into the final two. I think a lot of people were just. We were kind of like once I got out of it says voting for as hey and Brooke but I was also breeding for day. Because I'm like that's amazing. I've got no idea how he's doing and we were all like. Oh I really wanted to see like a really great play a win so I think a lot of us were really backing in the jury. Just because it would be like. When does a massive like Alpha male ever win it was like a challenge based strategic social? Yeah would we're backing him. And I think a lot of people felt hot don by by Shaw just like kind of like once. Why did you have to do And then I think wasn't didn't have very good jury management. Feel like she definitely would have struggled with boats as well you get to the final travel council you sean. About kind of her behavior. Because you didn't vote for Sean. Before you're one of the first ever you has not voted for the same person to win twice on both of my seasons. Sean has kept in the person who goes on to win our times. Instead of me yes take whatever dot shame with me into Shane. Warne she dave instead of me and Dave onset also like another record was you said that you would have voted for Sean. So it seems like that. She wasn't getting your did some of that work into the VAT. You're like look I told you before. I wouldn't be voting for you again if you did the same thing or is it just like you just didn't respect this game in isolation. I feel like look. Sean probably deserve to win in the season. But it didn't happen and then. I feel like this as in her game was just I understand. I felt like she did not improve her game this time. But mealy Nari that it's like old behind the scenes. Whatever COHESIVE MOUSE BLAH BLAH BLAH? But I don't want I wasn't going to be boring. Someone when I had the option of voting for someone who actually physically soul them like leading it so yeah I feel like Sean didn't really take any risks. She always just so worried about self-preservation actually getting to the end. But then you get to the end and then all you got to say is that you didn't ruin some moves and that you've played a quiet game. I feel like that was never going to be impressive on an all stars season. We're going to get to the questions Jason Gates who my brother. I in turn off will you? Closer to voting for SEAN IN SEASON. Three SEASON FIVE. I was definitely such boarding for Sean in season. Three I was really tossing out but some of the things that I can't remember. Basically Sean said that she cared about the tidal and not the money and then Shane said like I really. Helfman does is a lot of money. I'm going to use the money and do some trialled drowning prevention walking Fiji. It would make a lot to me Blah Blah Blah so for someone to conduct disrespect half million dollars like it was nothing. They just care about the title. That was like one of part of the reason that I was like well. Actually Econ have just the title. The title comes with money. And if you're going to sit there and tell me you don't care about half million to my face and when all I want is like a house oppose it then that's yeah that's going to Shang. Yeah I mean you're talking it up but definitely vaucluse because it seems like Sean just couldn't get your in the season and she did say to you that she would go with you and that when you know you didn't go to Ross. She promised herself to you. Guys and turned back on it. And you true to your word and not voting. For if she made a big move often me and amend burden me and then developed than I would have understood that more. That the CUSHY DILL. I feel like what is like. I'd rather despite today's very fair. Well you get you get back of having played all-stars you've played some of the most days ever the two seasons having come fourth and seventh. What was it like coming back? And just kind of like recuperating from that experience I feel like I am. I am really resilient in real life as well as I feel like for me. It's really quite easy to reveal. I wasn't like gorging on food. I was just kind of like gnome. right away and then. I flew into London on Saturday and then I went back to work on Monday and I feel like for me. Suvival is just like a little part of my life like even now. Some people from all stars really struggle with the whole thing. I guess I'm just like Meth. It's done it's arival. Murray vulnerable will in terms of like being part of it we get to the preseason we get to the marketing with some people want announced including you. Even though you're such a Bakara January first season you're going to be such character on this season and people were up in arms about. There's I think rightly so that you weren't named as of the cost. So what was your reaction to all the Shaun Tan stuff? Gop putting out these photos in you. What was your reaction to that I go on. I felt sorry so sorry loved like every day. Oh my God I love that. It was definitely annoying. Having to wait dislike ceremony people. Ask me all the time being tied in all this stuff and then just not been able to say anything about it. I mean I'm pretty sure like half of the world new anyway. Well we use sending GOP photos of you. Was He forcing himself? I was not sending. He was always just like yeah. What's like the event like the Sean Ten Advent Calendar Today But Yeah I definitely look forward to jail as little peaches but yeah. What was your experience washing back? Obviously seeing your moves I think like even really good clear up clear view in the edits which is great to see. Obviously sometimes they can't really show that social game but I think they show yours really. Well was anything that was. You didn't like feeing or that. You thought that they really didn't portray well over you like very happy with the way that you were watching it. I mean I was quite happy. Like I can't really be bothered to complain because it's not like a Shawnee show. They have sarin many people that they need to put in there and also I understand that. This isn't a documentary. It's for entertainment. So of course. You're GONNA be like. Oh why didn't they show that but export entertainment purposes? Sorry Yeah it's not a documentary so I feel like I was just like whatever what has been your reaction to the support throughout and since the season like we saw at Mardi gras some people dressing up as you which was amazing like I think it's really become quite shawny brought to the table. So what is your reaction to that are? My reaction was actually like. I can't believe this would not budge. Because they didn't care if I was GONNA come on or not and then look at them. I I was. I was the backbone of that season so I kind of just like laughing like Oh look at me now now. Wti would they be giving me one wanted? Yeah I mean so for me years well definitely you twitter absolutely loves. You Got Support Instagram as well in terms of like the social media support. What's that been like? Yeah I am compilations even like last night at nine thirty the nicest message from someone being like. Hey Sean like even watching your interim stories and how you all on instagram. I just WanNa thank you for being your cells like I love that you just who you are without trying to be like. Hey I guess some I guess I am just on an unapologetically myself and guess people appreciate that but sometimes I applaud some really random stuff but then I ended up getting me messages like yes. Love this all love you wearing that shirt three days in a row shot three days like we're in isolation doing. I have to say that something that happened in your social media was the cough. I've had in lockdown. I think you know what I'm talking about in terms of comedy off the Nollie which accused you of spoiling the show before it aired. You WanNa tell the story. That was so funny actually. I looked at the flight three days in a row. Lofta so basically the pot wedge. Jonathan says okay. Sorry jury tomorrow night you'll be back and we will listen to Dave in Shawn's pitch and find out who is going to be the sole survivor. Austrailian all-stars anyway to people like took this to turn off their TV and then thinking that they were going to be coming back tomorrow night. Jonathan wasn't telling wasn't talking to us but he was talking to the viewers anyways they literally turned off their TV es and then I posted. I waited until it had been announced in Queensland because I knew that loud have Taryn being like Oh my God. It's not even live in Queensland yet. I've waited until I had watched it. And then I think congratulations Dave Blah Blah Blah. And then three people I like. I can't believe you've spoiled this process. Why would you spoil it one day early and I was so confused? Woody talking about. I'm in Queensland. Right now and I just watched the finale. And they're like no. It's not in Brisbane. We have to. We only watched mortgage vardon. That's not and then we're going to win. It's more flu like blowing up me. And then like tapes of cute little sweet char came you guys. Nori back off. She didn't spoil anything like you guys switch. You turned off the TV halfway through the episode and shocked. There's actually truly did this. Yeah I mean this was honestly I was like. I don't know how I found this red but only greeting through this red which like there was a lot of confusion because these people are saying like. Hey maybe in Sydney and Melbourne was denied. But in Brisbane. We only got up to Mogo in. And you're like I'm in Queensland like that. That definitely isn't what happened. It was so confusing and tool people put to that. Jonathan had said the magic word. We will come back tomorrow night where the jury will plead their case and they will like see you tomorrow night and turn the TV off. Got Very Ram in our also later and you had said the David One and they were like what in the hell. You've ruined the show for us to show. That was currently airing in this state. But they had turned off because John and one of the one of the people was like. I'm sure a lot of people made this mistake and I'm like because nor Russia. My hot if not would true. I just lost like imagine being like. Oh my God. I'm so excited for tomorrow night so I can find out who the winner is vain wall. You'll like drinking. You take getting ready for bed and the winner is currently playing. Live it just. I don't get his apologetic enough. I think when they found out that they'd been wrong. One of the women was going through all the other comments and being like. It's almost like Shawna. You're so great you should have TV show. And they're like Oh. This is so great. When she spoils this show a day early and then was like definitively proven wrong policy. I have to name someone else was like our podcast and then Shave Watson. She can talk about the winner before as and I'm like can you off my case you are like you're the one in the wrong here. The a little pudgy went astray if you're listening to this lady. I expect a D at an apology. That just because you're sealion I'm not. This is my favorite thing so leslie like I have a whole thing about people thinking. The Internet shouldn't spoil things obviously like if it hasn't happened spoiler that's terrible but if it's aired and you go on social media like that's on you and when people are. Us Gordon the and like no use spoil you. Also we have a thing on the on this podcast network on a podcast of my friends. Run the where they have a segment called casual corner where they go through and find hilarious casual comments from US survivor of people who think things like it's being filmed live and like ridiculous things like this and I think that then turning off the TV. Jonathan like see you tomorrow. Night is one of my favorite one of my favorite things in the so good. I message you being like. I am crying laughing because it was so many comments where they were like people. Were trying to work out. How it was airing in Brisbane the next day but you ready watched it and it was like we should have just knowing that they literally listened to Jonathan. It cut you an outbreak and they will show is oval amazing so funny so grind different. It's literally as funny as we've been having okay. We have so many questions from the listeners. But I I will take a quick break to hear from all sponsors and we all right. Shawny these questions from listeners. Because on Instagram. We got them on twitter. We got there on facebook and in the face with patron group. Sobhani questions for you personally. Gabri was clean. Shawny coming to the game. What was the plan to get through the super physical first half of Australia and survivor? And what advice. Can you give future players like yourself to overcome that and go deep? Like you have twice. I mean say because he's hard because now there's like many Olympians champions and stuff like I. It's hard for me. I guess because I don't see myself as a weak person so I broke up to challenge and I'm like yeah. Let's do this. It's fine so I guess you just got to believe in yourself and then I guess you can like trying train and stuff but man. That's a shit handsome I'm survivor. Read it says no question. But just tell us she's an icon and a Lotta sixty something like so. I felt like did needed voice. Twitter loves you need to be on twitter more often than you are. I know I need to how to break because I sold it like someone was like. What did they say something like? Oh I bet. Shawny was standing on the sand when she was holding up that the bowl challenge and someone was obviously like defending me but I must follow them and I was just like annoyed at like all every time I wind something. It's like. Oh shawny standing Chinese swimming. Oh shoney's blocks were already glued together. I just felt like I just wanted to a break because I was sick of accidentally saying like a couple of annoying people thinking that just because I do something and I'm not a massive physical person that I must be cheating but I will come back now that it's showing you have to say that the show is regained. The Game Win. Immunity challenges is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I literally just told a story about someone who turned the TV off jail pizza and see you tomorrow night so like it's a low bar and that is dumb please. Those stupid comments. No I don't but it's like even when Brooke Brooke One Something. And then they will like all they. That challenge was for her. They're reading it for Brooke. Why can't latest let it guard by organically and I'm like are you serious? Like we literally plan these challenges out. Sorry fall in advance like days before they. They can't build these challenges like not like people are dead buildings six weeks before we even get there like people that are they have a schedule and just make something common bill. What is broken win? Okay cool so this bill this massive thing but then like if a guy wins Lords normal. Ever say anything about that but it's just like a girl in the middle. I have a problem with that. Is that is truly terrible. Like I mean. Those comments really don't even deserve voice. We just completely not pay attention to that so many things that are wrong about that. There's no point even trying the minds of people who think that they are reading it for you and broke. I mean I guess they think that the show must really love. You broke so that's a compliment. Yeah but it's funny knowing that I guess now. I guess they listen to this but knowing that the Shard didn't care if I was coming or not and then all of a sudden they're like trying to all stand on a mountain and swim because now we've all of a sudden really made you like they never thought needed me very funny because the show. I don't think they're reading it but like the show once day to it. I can tell you that for free like this show loves Dave. They were very happy about that. Nothing they didn't love you and give you a great editors well in what world are they like? We're going to read it against as for enemies like obviously they were twist that helped exile. I think helped you guys would agree and help Dave who had an idol and these twist and do throw a spanner in the works. But I like literally like okay. Well Dave we'll have to tread water and Shawnee will stand on the fan and also you're watching the show and you think they're doing it to that degree with a cheating and challenges. You don't like survivor and you should actually turn the show off. Yeah that was like something else really funny. Oh it was something about. You know when broke. Did that thing how shut to like step. Three the puzzle that binds. Then you puzzle. Pieces fell off. I literally saw something. Come up that someone had right that a producer was holding onto brooks on so that she could bump it. I'm a dumb that you think the rest of the contestants are going to be standing there. What Ching someone? Holbrook's housing for her. And not do anything about it. What like a mind-boggling. Well it's the people sometimes. Do you think this show is rated? It's like no because I'm not. I'm obviously not devoting my life to something I think is cheating but also like look at the fact that Mat Rogers one of the biggest characters and someone they would love to have on for Longa goes before the merge and the capacity to put an idol there for him on a swap to help him and they don't even do that so that the show is and most thing that does not an agenda. Sometimes but I don't think that that the definitely reading challenges and they probably couldn't stand to rick things a little bit war if it's going into soda direction which they didn't do oftentimes in the season. Yes don't comments talking about some of these comments Tyler Atchison? What was your favorite new words and phrases from the dictionary? Oh my God I loved I Sean. I'm really into isolate Sean. As well now and then like imagination unlocked Ladas well. I feel like Anita to write them down. I did like a person sank. The other day someone said Sherry Gauntlet Sean. A year ago was funny so I literally like I love all everyone much. These people like spending that time to write cute little comments and be creative with it. I have an obsession as well as someone who watched a couple of episodes before isolation with doing Conrad from survivor New Zealand. Who made up many of these terms of watching him live tweet. As this show is going and coming up with these terms he speaks fluent. Sean Sean Word Voice. Thinks of the actual word in. It's actually amazing to watch action. Sorry floor in. Your name goes way too well with so many words. I think he so Christine ready for us. Where can we buy address like that? You're talking about on the F. Interview. People want to know where you can get the dress so I actually feel like a whole segment on this on my in stock just getting sorry many messages every day so I do not as much as I'm portrayed as like shopping girl in my injuries I literally hardly ever since I've had that address probably for like maybe four to five years. I got it from a sauce. I tell people that if they want to go onto a sauce in typing like red wrap t dress and something similar will come up but that one is super cold. You were going to questions about your. You'll fashion choices jason us. Why didn't you wear the sunglasses into tribal council? They were fees. I wasn't allowed to. I wasn't allowed to wear them like I could basically only wear them. When else lounging around Kim I couldn't wear them shredding. Couldn't wear them to challenges Yeah rules and regulations. I do. Think getting tossed snuffed with the signs on would have been unbelievable. Oh my God I should have just done that because actually I could've put them on like all probably would interrupt. Actually because you know you're Jonathan goes off to vote count Lavar. It's he's literally gone for about half now off and we all get like soya board. This is what I think they get facial expressions for all my life ones bet like if he get distracted someone will literally Yelich staring into the austerity into the fire is in fire straight up. Straits. I feel like they would five my sunglasses. Just some getting restricted shiny bacteria on skated confiscation of the. Sean glasses like I think. Just imagine if Jonathan nothing toward you and you're looking at him I don't care with those sunny von would've just been it would have been the best of the season do their finger on my way out like what up. Everything could be made better. I think wearing those sunglasses. Chong Weiji calling them Sunglasses Khanna Hawash off. How was who you most appointed to fee was not on the cost. I'm Sarah Tuckey never know how pronouncing US time I've said it out loud tweak anything or did I say Tilleke I dunno Sarah to leaky. Yeah I duNno. I one hundred percent thought she'd be there look I and audit and she actually was never even ost which I thought like. Oh maybe they must've asked her and then she had to turn it down because we don't get the same things that other people get it off normal dark Thought she literally said that she did knock it off yet. That is crazy to me. I have spoken about it many times. But how do they not fair? I would've loved to see you guys link-up somewhere in the season. I would've been scared of her there. I would've loved to play with her and I wore hundred to what she was going to be. The final question that we have Philippi. Shemona's what did Vanilla shoney's game. And how much does joining Missa Finola loved my game. Basically when I got victim you're allowed to call your family members have this burner foreign with your allocated family numbers anyway. I called my sister and I go to. Dm Fan and then for my sister to tell me spends number and then I hung up code. Fenton from trivial and basically they told her everything And she was very impressed. I missed her a lot. So many times like vanilla is literally like one of the funniest so I say that if I was ever forced to start life or Yvonne and have someone else's personality I would choose Eva Nick's personality off now is personality just like the best funnest like most amazing pay to be around so so many times. I dismissed her and wish there was there but she was stoked in my gang. She thought it was hilarious. But yeah she had better thinks during out of the game with like some great allies and relationships. So that's really great. Thank you so much for coming onto chat about your whole game. It's been so much fun to chat with you about. You know you'll get even everything beyond it as well. Where can people find you on social media to what you were doing out of the world? The Sean Ten continues on its sunny and yet I do. Snack reports Just a lot of my whole based around things that could probably be a story but I tend them into an actual Greece parts. Yeah so there's some who work here like a podcast or something like what that some content coming out from Shaun Tan. Yes and I have finally started on cost. I feel like people have been saying this for so long and one day I thought. How hot is it like what we recorded? Sorry we already talked on the phone anyway. And I'm pretty sure that was that was I had just hung up from that and then also looking to make he was like. Oh my God I would love to like the flying. The WOLFVILLE conversations. Let me just decide if you may as well give it a crack. So on cost is coming out. We think on Wednesday cold we have. It's called Josh Nella. Thanks I've sent it to a couple of my friends and I've got some. I sent it to my rudas frightens. But I've got some pretty good faith back but it just short at night. Yeah the SAAS levels But yeah got thought and then instagram's Jilin. That sounds amazing. Well thank you so much for coming on. You guys can fold at shutting gates on twitter and Instagram and subscribe to the international survivor. Half fee to make sure you never miss any of the content on we already have obviously the dave deep dive deep dive next will be Sean. And then Harry and I think eight hundred so the deep ties continuing on for the season also discussing survivor winners at war. Which I did this week with my brothers into and Jason which has been so fine. Thank you for all the feedback. We've received on that. We really really enjoy doing that. And even this morning. This is actually my second podcast. Today this morning I was talking about Shits Creek usually talk about survivor but I jumped into the scripted show content on Poacher recaps today to talk about a bit of a series overview with Mike Bloom so a lot of content coming out. Make sure you don't miss any of that. But Sean thank you so much again for coming on. It was great to talk to you. Thanks for having me. It's been super fun so so got out. There who people's Sean. Tent is satisfy for one. Who HAS BEEN SEAN? I don't know how many more of these can do. You're doing great. I'm going to speak influence Sean for the rest of the day. It's fash on all right. Well thank you guys so much listening. Thank you again Johnny. Thanks to Scott Saint Pierre Behind the scenes and we will see you on the next dive. told me one million pounds which could spur cyber squad.

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Shawnee Kilgore on Comedians Interviewing Musicians

Comedians Interviewing Musicians

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Shawnee Kilgore on Comedians Interviewing Musicians

"Welcome to comedians interviewing musicians and music firsthand foolishly. The season six episode ninety reported on june eighteenth two thousand nineteen live from brixton in austin texas posts. Becky joe neil and kim stacy musical guest shawny kilgore but i our show is possible based to things and sponsors our community to get exclusive access to content merge known spotlight on the show more for as little as one dollars a month. Your support helps us continue to showcase local artists. Sign up at c. I. indeed live c. I m p thank you for supporting wilco. Live music and remember. Give the podcast defy lady every rating helps these august discovered by new fans. The now brought to you by music firsthand and their live music looking up. Here's comedians interviewing musicians. You guys ready to kick off some music here at mazing guests tonight. Incredible you wanna do at the same time do so ninety episode one two three shawnee killed oiler gentlemen give it up Sibusiso way at the end of the day the music is name. Would you hinge. Your smile won't be long for soon. May i kiss your g go then. Only a and the world is out. Maybe you home So and that's not where you sumi. I kiss you she you go morning the truth He is to You could stay a if i would. Would you pose poll tad and just let them. 'cause you'll dry through the night alums who soon lay kissed you g go. I guess you he speaking. May i kiss you He be voyage all right. Tear it up as killed or that one was for you zoli muscles. You kissed her cheek a lot. Yes thank you so much for being here again showing ninety so old. It's exciting ten away from hundred. That's how you count. Wow you're welcome to begin. The first section of our interview portion of the show like how we added four words segments. Whatever i'm tired. I'm a source okay. We start withstand mail. It's like soccer fan mail. It's recognized by webster dictionary as a real word. So i'm just gonna commit to it. It's true stand stand. Stand the i stand there. Basically a with throughout the week we encouraged stance all over the world to send us their questions. Amber like see what comes in row old from salinas. California writes in love. Your collaboration with joss weeden if you could play the role of any care. During josh weeden movie who would it be his movie like. Tv shows. yo n Gal i kinda feel like an angel. Sometimes super broody chickens and chickens. Go broody like everyone wants to be a buffy. They're probably in angel. Yeah yeah terminally right. You buffy fan. I think i'm gonna demon. Dog was clam cl- i think i'm more like him clem. Yeah the demon dog. I mean why not demonic. I mean well he's not demonic. Really it's just in the name a good belly rub in a walk. You know actually meant change my kaley. Okay definitely wia kaley She's adorable but she's a super bad ass and she's a mechanic and like runs the serenity ship and where's coveralls and i'm an any to wear coveralls. All i love that. I love covered onesie level ones until you have to p but even then you feel liberated. You're like you know what i look. Great with this. Once he gets around my ankles knees. And i'm tired naked sitting here like boot on the toilet. Yeah we're a wet onesie okay. The title of my next film title of your white onesie my sexton. What wolf okay. So po and a little lull massachusetts writes in big giant. Me is my favorite song if you woke up tomorrow a giant. What's the first thing you would do. Pee everywhere kimberly. Why start of first thing i would do. I would go and do the. I have a. I have a contract house painting job starting next week in a ceilings are really really tall. So you would work. I would go to do that. that's i would get stuff done. Finally fine clifford the big red dog. Oh yeah and we would rule the world war. Just an armada of us. That's it yeah just us two giant or step on bunch of stuff for fun i would like lick the top of mount everest just to see what it tastes like. Thank you tongue would stick to it though the retail. Maybe if you're supergiant. Your breath is like really hot. Yeah so maybe dragons everything are- coming onto something dragon's pres fire because they're so big. They're big terrible. Wow horrible bad psoriasis. also uti's We have a gift for you from the rain the train. I don't know if you if anybody's familiar with lorraine the and every go stephen. I don't yell for her because she knows her and she will find you. Facebook listens to you for ads. Yeah lorraine listens to you. If you're low on shampoo. She noticed that you have a chicken chicken and so. She's very crafty so she thought that maybe mama could use a little too too little chicken too. Those long moment fire on her and flow down the stairs when she greets her ex husband. At the door accolade you could which one yeah rightful. Thank you and she also just she said in case you're thinking of Adopting another one and having maybe a baby chick. Here's some pan. Little tiny pants because chickens and pants are thing. Apparently on the internet you seen this. The chicken flu sweatpants. Yeah there's a chicken and blue sweatpants so there's a little social person but that in the comments right now. It's the funniest city i've ever seen. It's a chicken wearing like small. I think they're like yeah. Jogger pants and you can see their knees. Moving didn't know chickens. Knees moves like that until you like chickens hat what it in pants and those people who are like dogs who wear pants what they wear pants long ways or would they just pants over their butts. This solves the what have chicken see. She's looking at it right now. Are you looking at the chicken. And the pass fail as long as strong as the clothing doesn't stay on for too long because they have to like keep themselves clean what i thought. Yeah yeah with me. I am to wear pants for too long. You got to air it out. Yeah because i think. I had one question before we get to another song because i i love my sister because we live in. My family is in kansas and everyone in kansas. Like does not consider chicken wearing a hobby. I moved to like like a city. She moved to a city kansas. And everyone's like oh. What a cool hobby your chickens just like. It's not a hobby. I like eggs. I don't really know. But i'd be like people in some people in austin that they may not come from like farm places that think big chicken wearing a hobby and was like what other hobbies do you have. That other people would be surprised that you have that injury. Oh that's my question. What other hobbies. yeah. I'm very walking in the park. That's crazy hobby. Dangerous listen to too many true crime. Podcast walking up. I'll just stay fat. I don't care no walk in the last I love collecting coffee. Mugs love kanban. Oh how many do you have. Well i don't have that many. That collection stays pretty like. It's just the favorites. It's not yeah. It's a quality over quantity thing. But yeah my favorite coffee mug is a little it's white and it just has a little painted snail. Why does that sound so cute. We both had an idea what they'll in her head. I would love to have a weird crawford cross cross reference image of that like. You're nice meals wearing pants. Just like the chicken. Little blue pants. Wet slimy pants slimy pants. Also the name of my mysexy. We know too much branding. Oh no no mom. No no now. How many again like. How many is that. Like even the like Maybe fifteen twelve to fifteen election. I can't keep four unbroken 'cau- yeah i break. Every everything is plastic. It should be more like wrapped in bubble. Can't have coffee at my house. I know. I don't trust myself with these things. I recently went to ireland with my mom and she was she was like. Let's go to waterford crystal in me can buy you something nice and i was like. I don't wish she poking fun at you. And ironically what. I'll just get like a ring or something then. I can't break not thirty seconds later. I went to the bathroom to like use lotion to get my one ring off my finger and i threw it down the fucking drain and i came out crying lady was like oh my god what happened. I was like i dropped by ring down the drain. She's like the one i just sold. You choose like. I was like no one. I bought three days ago. It's like handled on anything spare. Don't trust myself with nothing. Wanna hear the cry okay if you cry in the bathroom and then i'm just wondering guilty. Okay sorry mom sorry. Let's hear another cy. You're ready for another song. Going for shawny kilgore ladies and gentlemen absolutely. This is a song that i wrote about having writer's block and it's called at the water's edge bronx the sidelines and i broke don. It's just the wrong side of the ray later that you will coupon who will come and by i will be common strong pages hill broken heart. Good seemed bleed in kamensky but Coming in been drinking the one who's h thunder in the one Across the river. Dried at prayed from us. And i pray. I pray for anything but sides in the mouth. It's more than i spend. It's more than i deserve. Take more than a maybe take shots of someone else's one common gasping linebacker one to one the bridge the river. Dr drinking one hit for thunder in the wadden. Dream the bridge across the river when it Thank you thank you so much shown. Kill ladies and gentlemen. Send many shout out to cam. You just had to get off. Mike and lee leap over to grab our dreams who so hard but is says wedding. That's the title of my there. It was so hard. No no. I hate myself new okay. It's going to be a thing now. All right all online are we have. We're going to do a t shirt. A t shirt giveaway. Kim thank you yeah. It's why i'm here. We have a you are as vp of a chance to win two. You should do. I don't know what that was our first future. Giveaway is double. it's angel on mariss. Hey early lovely fancy love. Your shoes marissa very late. You know all right are begging us to get the sat like the salo horn phone. Like i need any other will will. I'm thinking the soccer horns. I don't know sports. I'll just take off my shirt and whip it around like they do in walker. Rsvp to event. Yeah the one that. I take off my sweaty body. Ooh it's like a sham. Well we a good lord join our patriot on for as little as a dollar a month. You can walk away with a shirt tonight. A dollar a month starbucks coffee. That's listen like eight starbucks coffee true too. Many coffees we also have their very soft t shirts. But if you join like fifteen dollars a month to get a monthly merch box. Oh and we just send you. I know it's fun like you get a t-shirt shirt in like cd year. Whatever some stickers maybe one of my cds maybe shawny kilgore. cd's maybe one of my shirts. It's worth it also if you're having a good time and you appreciate shawny. Yeah well to put one. Kim sweaty shirts in there. That's an unboxing video. No i wanted to say someone will be into that. Unfortunately they would probably listen to our show and the tip jar in the back. Is this beautiful little clear. Little over here looks like the top of a jar is actually a real jar that jar is for monies for speaking of millennial ways to acquire money on your on your website. You have this great right up on yourself where it says something about the crowd living in a crowdfunding fairytale and this is a quote. So it's like she's living in a. I think it's one of those things. That's beautiful and frustrating about this sort of but like i really love to hear your opinion in your experience with crowdfunding your first project and how that was in kick-starting yourself. Yeah for sure. Starting your i hate. I saw kick-starting myself in the ass. No the theaters. i campaign i did was What's so much. Work goes in unimaginable of work every waking hour of every day but The other fairytale kind of part was that a week or so in. I got i got back. A backer named josh sweden. And i still had asked my sweetie one more time like that again. The last time. I know now but yeah so that was really incredible. He had no idea who i was was just in a hotel room Between filming vendors to send some country or another And yeah. I'm just came across came across my campaign and gave me some money and you know we've got a lifelong friendship and really cool project together So that was certainly an unexpected outcome but But it's kind of the way to these. Last two albums for sure would not have been able without that kind of outreach and community support for sure. Yeah all around here tonight right. Yeah he's over there. Yeah okay. I wanted to see how many people came shirt just gets pelted in that direction. Really oh god house near okay but you said it's so much work all the time. I i think it's one of those weird misunderstandings that i think particularly my mom is like oh you could just start a kickstarter like do whatever you want on my. Oh no that's just for very early retirement or something like it only works if you like out early till a gay couple. You won't make them their cake and then a bunch of fox news people like donate money to. That's really the only way you can get on any of those things. It's such a misunder misconception that it's not any work at all. What are some of the things that you think. People would be surprised to hear that. Just the effort and the time. I think i've had a lot of people. Ask me you know kind of what would you suggest. And the thing is if you. Everyone thinks that they're over posting. Like i don't want people to get sick of me. And mike went up for three weeks. And i'm one of your best friends and i haven't seen it yet like however much you think you're posting you have to go times ten you know but you got to find creative ways to you. Just be asking asking asking you got to you. Know i did some some weird stuff at them like a crazy. Happy dance out on my porch. Like i'm so excited about this like you know. Find creative ways to give while you're asking but yeah it's like a several time a day kind of thing and it said that the job sweden was like a quote race. She just so on the honesty in her music writer. In in the fact that writing everyone can find themselves in your writing. How do you think is it. Music your way of like being honest with her like how is it how you tell your truth. It's cheaper choosy leaders. Say that no totally. It's it's one of the ways. But it's i certainly am that honest in my life as well I don't. I don't really seeing anything that i don't say as well so it's kind of a continuation But music certainly allows me to take things that maybe it'd be much more difficult to process. And i mean there's nothing that feels so good as like my heart is shattered and broken right now but i just wrote the most amazing song about it like. There's a like unparalleled joy kinda that comes with that feeling of being able to say exactly the right thing the way that you want to say. That's beautiful. I know like come on. We always get a little weepy at music. First hand we try to make it fun and light. Yeah i just yell ally sweat. And i eat french fries for a by texas music magazine named the number one song writers leon page as well i call my patrons. The songbird society It's awesome I've been writing song a week since december of two thousand and thirteen so do some math. That's a whole lot of songs So i think four years ago. I just had my four year anniversary. I think on patriotic. But as like i'm writing these songs every week i should probably make them available for someone anyone to hear. I continued to post a brand new song every week to patriot. And that's awesome. It's an addiction at this point and possibly not that healthy anymore. But so support me in my addiction. Creatively speaking interview since we support addiction. Yes yeah the hell. Twelve separate access. That's fair so yeah so i've got. I've got her song. Danielle have a per month and got the per song going. So do you tend to see something different in each like well. Yeah you're going to be different but like as one week like super silly and then like another. That's really weird. Shit really weird. It's like i'm probably. I'm possibly most proud of the fact that i really don't know anyone else. That is so willing to write. Whatever whatever shows up and my cool the muse said this weird thing. And i'm going to sing about it and post it. You know two minutes after it's done to to my to the songbirds to say you feel like you're like the honest nature like people who have things to hide are afraid of putting things out there because they're afraid of getting like someone finding holes in it right someone who's unafraid to share something someone who is also unafraid to answer to someone else's opinion on it like okay. Maybe you didn't know what well it's what the music i love that genius is there a we like weird song. The weirdest hung comes to mind. There's one the there's two that comes to mind one The only words in like ambience of like casio keyboard noise. And then i had a typewriter that was just hanging out like a rhythm on there. And then i just sort of free formed. Some like really introspective layers of introspective thoughts on top of that. So that one's really weird. And then one about It's called leicester pearl and the buffalo. And i'm pretty sure. I don't really know what's going on. But he's maybe up in the hills of montana and it's just going to like visit the buffalo. He's had his heartbroken. I think and then all that you know is like you're kind of left wondering you're like did he just get trampled by a herd of buffalo or did he turn and run away or like what actually happened to laser buffalo. It's an imax shamlan film. he is the buffalo. I think the psych he waved hello to the buffalo. He waved hello to the buffalo and he never came back again. I'd yeah buffaloing. Stacey chickens and botha's nitrided have fun so sign up in here all my weird shit. That's awesome yeah. We have a being told there was a fan question. But it's not coming in on our things so while that comes in. I'm going to ask you know. There is kate howard as if you had a third pet. What would it be asking for a friend as she offering as your have zoli if zoli is not available after the half an hour since she was here and then go pet. Armadillo would be amazing. We have some in our backyard. We have a little baby armadillos in our backyard and they were the cutest like yeah. We call them. Snow birds flers snorklers. That's what i call my dog really. Yes that's kind of the noise that they make can hear when they're like snorkeling around in the leaves like. There's no other word. Many times. Kim have i said oh. Mercy was just outs northland around berlin. I say snorkeling and smer flynn. That's really a sweet were friends. They has leprosy armadillos but this is not way back when and you can just take some antibiotics and yeah i really there for that. Yes download the app and get rid of your leprosy so hard. We're trying so hard to come up with a quickie like lep up personal weird dating app before we go into these next two songs. I wanted to ask since you're good friends with daisy o'connor in china the show i love her. She's so incredibly talented in stunning on state. Incredible to watch. I want to know if you have any good embarrassing daisy stories on. Kill me no. I don't i honestly don't know if i do like she's sexual like i feel like it's impossible to actually embarrass her because she owns herself so well. You know Let's try though she burst into the water burger dr window. That's that's like the and like his exceed she's too cool to embarrass. I think i've asked somebody else. That the guys jamie harris that because they're good friends and she was like no she's too cool. I've just been trying to but if she were to do whatever she did. And you did it and you would be embarrassed by would there. I know my show with the band those playing at the show. They're really cute and cds. Getting a you know. I was getting a little tipsy and whatnot and i was trying to figure out like where i knew. The guy from you look so familiar. So familiar And finally i just burst out with it. I remembered i was like. Have you ever been to bellingham washington just like where we were so if you were to ask daisy that question. That's just me at bars. A good good poi- people often feel bad for you and talk to you for twenty minutes. After he gets ready to hear some more music yes song to more sows well. My partner was born and raised here. In austin is name is will wallace brilliant musician. Wonderful person took a job in brighton. England at the beginning of last year. So this is. This is my song that i wrote Kind of processing that whole that whole thing and some stuff about our country and other countries. It's called ode to england. I do my baby crossed in home. Mashes company. i've gotta think do an could do bed. Just is peer Mis- missile way to have president. Pollen with grease never see. You never see clean goal. I go with the chance of grow. But if i'll see seeing kinship. I have and done to fight and Do headey thanks so much. I want to poke some fun at texas i talk this is all good natured fund. I love texas. I'm really happy to live here The song was inspired by a house concert. Host that we about ten miles outside of amarillo texas and he was telling us about the dramas of the neighborhood I don't remember exactly what was going on. There's a herd of elk on. What i what was going on but i just wanted a cup of coffee on the drive home and could not find one. So here's my texas fun and it's called too much texas for me. They pleaded on t shirts. They put it on been cut stakes in the shape. Hours ten county lines. No end in sight could see seen a starbucks and five hundred miles. Let's too much taxes inch taxes for me. Every her is nice too much taxes too much. Texas leads to much texas harming ragweed leader. There's there's oh there's mold and more pollen from trees it's harder debris than it is to back guns. Will that too much too true much taxes for me. It's a very her is nice too much texas. Too much. Taxes leads too much taxes. Pounds arabia you now to eat billboards saying it's free can't while to krasnaya with the kind of will they. It's too much taxes for texas cruelly savary and is say much taxes too texas too much texas for me too much taxes too much texas. That's too much for me. Thank you alright. That's now my favorite song ever on great can't really argue with any of them no and also from both of us not being from texas came and i do this each other more time. Yes sir yeah. Texas thinks is defended texas or something my through worse backlash said i didn't like avocados. Like we're gonna get repeated block ocado. It's just sometimes A bad avocado is the worst thing ever but good avocado raising a good avocados. Still almirante like it. Looks like it shouldn't be. But i know whatever okay true one third one that i want to hold of the fingers for which one they think is the lie. Kim start off. We'll give the example. Okay we're playing. Yes for our hard on these sort of all right number one. I saved my cousins life sledding. Also i'm from running. So let ain't probably leading sledding sledding sledding not schlitterbahn but sledding down. A hill know k. k. I hit a deer when i was writing my dirt bike. Why god and i got an a two car accidents in one night and trash. My father's car kimberly Riding bike and that kind of hurts. Maybe okay again. Live in vermont. Lots there okay. So any mcintyre's giving us the bird that would give it as an example you disabled so those of you who put up the first one. You're anchor act. It's the second one is alive so happens more often than not in vermont is that a deer doesn't know where it's going and you're driving shington too. Yeah they just don't look both ways. No one helped them. They don't have school to tell them that. Yeah well i mean. They travel in deir programs either. Do you know how many deer there are. Other with math problems a lot. I'm from kansas. That's deer armadillos. Four things. god. I liked yours. I like that. You're like yeah. I totally saved my because my cousins live sledding. She was headed towards a cliff in a barn and i flipped her over. She did not talk to me for two days. But sheila live fair enough. So i was one stuck in an airport in mexico city. Yeah check out. My dog called the cops once one hundred percent multiple times and jon benet ramsey for halloween last year. You just did three facts. Someone by there's a lie in there somewhere. I promise earl thinks it's three threes. Think it's one. You think that. I was not stuck in an airport in mexico city just because the last two or so real. I believe the dog wanna one hundred percent. Yeah yeah we'll you should be the absolutely. I was violently high in my apartment once and my neighbors were fighting. And i thought they were. I thought it was my neighbors across the hall. Which are a couple so i was like. That's no bueno. But it was actually the couple next to me who they are brothers and they were fighting over. An xbox controller did not know. So i like had the cops ready to dial like an idiot and i was like. I'm going to do this. And i was like i'm not a narc. Also i really high. They're gonna come over here and like what happened. I don't know. I heard yelling and Then the wall started melting. I know i. I panicked and i didn't do it but then i passed out on the couch and my dog walked over my phone and i was woken up by the cops because they my dog had just like pau dialed the cops that they really helped. Your paranoia was great super great. Also i definitely got stuck in an airport in mexico city. Dan i definitely did. I was jon benet ramsey two years ago not last year. But i know. And i wasn't technically jon benet ramsey. I was zombie version. Because while online ramsey i wasn't jon benet. I was zombie. banana bears. Now we're fighting. You can't play this game. ever again. ball was much brenda. You're right and i lost every contest. I walked into that night. There were like what the fuck is. What's like no one whatever. just fine. Which thursday dress up as one little dead white girl and sorry. You should know that that's fair. All right okay cheese okay. Sorry people do black face for halloween. I'm not worse than them. Thank you. I'm not dead faces better. Also just like his ambi- no one knew. It looked like zombie toddlers and tiaras. You didn't know unless you're a truest. I'm not gonna. I'm not thinking going on this time to finalize shawny. Let's see okay. i could do long division. By the time i went to kindergarten. I have broken three car windshields with my hand. Good lord and I dressed let's see. Don't i have just as a chicken for halloween twice twice. I like the commitment to that. No i if you say once if you say that it was only one time i'm gonna be really mad. You're really nice person. But i'd be so upset so i i'm gonna think it's the it's the car windshield with. Its two instead of three or maybe long division long vision. That's yeah kennedy. Think oh okay. I think she knew how to long divide long long-divided taller too much text demo brain divide. I see okay. I see a whole lot of twos and you are correct and that it was only twice with my hand and once with my foot. Ooh what happened. What one of them was just a couple days ago and there was a mosquito in my car. Skidded oppressor this god. I drive a prius. It was a previous doric miss. It was a broke a window. Because i thought my mom was leaving me for school without me and i just broke the window and i got in the car. My hand was bleeding. And she's like well. That's what for me. I went to school at class of my hand. Is that yeah yet i love. We don't have that much time. Lets you a quick. But we're going to play this really really fast. It's i'm just going to ask you. I was just really proud of this. 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Australian Survivor All Stars | Week 7 Exit Interviews

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Australian Survivor All Stars | Week 7 Exit Interviews

"ONLY ONE MILLION POUNDS? Chicago Cyber Everyone shutting us yet getting you ready for a week. Seven exit interviews. We just have to exit interviews today. We have jackie up first and around seventeen minutes we have Queen Shawny as well. We don't have a because he's hundred any exit presses week but I do hope and I know that he will be doing a deep dive off of the season where we can get all our questions. That's Today Jackie. And then Shawny and I can give you all the other content with doing on the other side of the exit interviews but until then hope you guys enjoy going Jesse how you. That was a crazy crazy tribal last night one of the biggest seen all season. But you know what a fiery way to go? Ow God's backlog tonight me back I have so many questions especially about like the last couple of episodes that we've we've seen what you really turn the game on its head. So let's go back to that exile decision to flip. What was your rationale behind it. If you didn't see any of anything else that onscreen. I think there's a time where you can come along and fly everyone else's guy and then you go okay on. Stop building my resume you know. How many times do we have left? What am I gonNA say sitting in fall two And I may choose ninety decision to the choices that are basically may my guy not everybody else's and I wanted to backfired on me. At least I've gone out. You know kicking screaming and having a guy rather than just you know rotting someone else's hotel the end. I really appreciate that mentality. Probably something that might not be able to be some of the other players still in the game so I really do appreciate that and I thought it was really interesting that you told Sean and Mo from what we saw about the plan. So what was your plan going forward then after the void where you planning more to work with with Mohan Sean than ended up happening or will you always going to go with Baca. No all it's going to get back to and I you know I I pretty well woman that if I found GonNa do something. I'm going to do it. You know So I I stuck guys the United States. He dies a bunch on my decision to go And then the first time I was hoping that you know at this point of the guy that has to be enough for you to know I definitely thought it with you. So it's not turning back from me because I knew I was at the bottom of China of the Milan and gum onto. I'm going to get you before you get married right. So then what was your rationale in telling Mo and Sean was just for that extra protection or was this something else. They're all I think it's in credibility and and out of respect seeing that you know nothing not Shaam but from a WanNa you know him on Talamona and I met with from day one so you know. They want some loyalty that live with her and I wanted to show the respect to say. Hey I'm doing what I'm doing as well. I didn't I didn't because tells in pretty much Just by WanNa tell them for so. It didn't really matter what I was. GonNa do No I didn't I didn't have as part of the equation. He was. He was pretty ticked off until I find anymore but I did. Yeah I mean you said that you guys plenty on the phone over a month. How did that bond with the old bell people how did that Bunn Stott so early on? Mb So strong throughout the game. Well you know. Initially I had to have a quite a few chances to align with the Lucky Chaim You know they was the champagne alliance with broke and Sleep but you don't say but I knew that you know I'm not twenty six anymore and I wasn't going to be spinning lucky in dives every night and and you know the conversation was very much different. When you're that I just decided to say someone my age And I knew that I wouldn't jealous well and I would be you know a lot of peaking shine call on that team so. I thought a lot more comfortable with Matt Milano until Dan and my brother said to me that they You know started with him. He's good he's a great guy and And it was. It was a good decision for me. Yeah and you said that you wanted to continue on with once you made that slip you take on the reward that have any impact on other than just like annoying you. It had no bearing strategic decision. Well I told him enemy callers you know as I say bots on you then I knew then and there that He wasn't buttering. Margarete Mall And my fight feel pretty much. Yeah we saw at the tribal council. We actually a lot between Sean convincing damage. Avoid view and that discussion. We didn't get to hear a lot from you where you were doing to try to convince. Welcome to go to rocks and save you. The we didn't see on the show and looking. I respect to Jonathan but I I think that there was quite a few a little bit unsure what the rules were and had a guy from that point into each other. Look we allegedly walk here and We didn't really know what we're supposed to do an chiming in a couple of times and cigars you know. I believe in you know. She's not going to align with EU etc etc and. We thought that after she guys who feel that we would have five minutes to peach. Al You know out Defense but it makes me Johnson just said I didn't hear writing and it was like I haven't I haven't even decided right And that that was probably my biggest regret. I remember walking off thinking well. Hey that wasn't that didn't pan out the wild. So that wouldn't they should actually told us how it was GONNA be. Yeah definitely you should have been like during the consent to go to the vote. You know. They shouldn't be losing someone from the game just because they have to wrap up the set definitely like until everyone has done talking. I think that probably should've kept going if that was the case. I didn't WanNa come across the The survive offensive. I look this dumb ass wise and she depending because you know. Don't even get signed to Sean. Speak UP SPEAK UP. Because he couldn't hear him and she was spurring because she was dogging her online and GonNa get out at ten here and we didn't say that was the pointing. But you know what probably much difference anyway had gone in your favor. What were your in game plans looking on that? You'd really taken a game in hand wanting to sit next to you at the end for example well you know if you want to have any credibility you've got to sit next and best and Bought a better chance of winning. Half a million thanks to someone has my listeners. New So I WANNA get down to that point of the game You you you cannot trust anyone and you've got to rely on yourself getting some individual immunities to keep their as long as you can so I think this is a pretty much at the window. Because he will comply this game. Fold forty eight days and then someone just you know. Hey down the final two. I'm taking somebody else. It can be quite crushing. So you're going to be not so you've got to rely on you still follow and we night individual We saw last week that that was a big pot. That's true that relationship was a big part of the flip as well from what we saw. So what we? We saw a little bit of it on screen. What will we not seeing about? Why relationship was so negative in time necessitated a flip on that. You know off camera. I extend the olive branch and say you know. Hey we don't have to like each other. We have to sign why we're in an alliance to get a where mature at all. Well one of these We need to. We need to stick together on this but I think when you're out and I'd circumstances with people star long you know. Familiarity breeds contempt and people can get very complacent and start treating you like the name of that like. Oh the older brother or sister that like and They tongues can get very loose and shop but but not everyone just with particular person and that was how's that go with me and As you know I'm a very much a straight shooter but I bought my on several occasions until the point where I felt buddy. That's it you're done. Do you feel that exile was quite a big part of that because they see a twist like that kind of does breed that content to a degree shows hierarchy a little bit more and gives you time maybe get more annoyed with Monty kind of the game. So did you think that that did speed up your flip on your reliance on God very much because exile. He was just On God he was doing my heading. You Know John. You know if I sorta needs for you know it was World Trade Training. Johnny jumped on foot. It was like that's the case we don't do it again. you know. I I just couldn't win streak and it was. It was very obvious divisive as that one or not work. Yeah and I mean just in terms of exile as well we saw. Sean wasn't being part of that may be sticking more with you. Dave obviously was trying to get you to ex- also what happened at the vote you got sent to exile. As far as I'm aware and I don't think we have confirmation. Did you vote Dave? And was that part of the plan. Had you made a flip? At that point I voted for shunning to go to exile. Okay Yeah and you know the difficulty but I was thinking to myself. Why didn't we will die together but I think we somewhat discussed that show and it was pretty much like well. We didn't WANT TO BE UP AGAINST HUMAN CHALLENGES. Because usually they're you know he could've challenges that and that gives you less of a chance of actually getting back in the game if you're over there with him and interested in your relationship with Dave because obviously that he's coming through last night and exile thing was kind of complicated but you had been aligned with him. So what was that relationship life more? Generally you know it was funny because when we were in Bergamo we will never really aligned with him and Milan. It'll work with that guy. She didn't like him at all at once. And that left. I suppose she sort of took over that role and He was always said if you know. I think we had that many conversations died he was you know he knew all this part of the team. But when you're on an lines everyone's job you know you could towns and his spiritual guide mostly What's your enlist now on social chatter around the campfire and the coke David Moore mastermind. So while you know so on hand mob blindside they they really team if it and everyone's gotTa roll and I always comes in that we'll have to work together to make those to make this happen so I'm you know. Even he was part of a lot of the The votes that I was on we do really have that much to do with Kevin. What about someone like Sean? Who obviously isn't in that original document try but does become a part of the alliance. Was there a lot of strategic connective tissue with you guys? There was also opposite sides of the group. Now I shine and we're very very very similar in Colorado and we used to always say we between I really liked Sean and pregame always off to. I wanted to play without down with John. Great opportunity to work with John You know and I had to shine. She is wrong guy On a Lotta respect for that That yeah she likes to then when you watch impacting with at all that makes sense and the newest a trend of that with Sean and quite a few people. 'cause you're but someone you didn't get a chance to get on the same beach with was Henry. Perform ally who a lot of people think doomed time you found the idol within the first season. He didn't give you the safety and that sort of season but then I came back to save you at the beginning of this kind of like some crazy saliva poetry. Have you thought much about that on my God? You know what like who I would never saw the means that would happen in my lifetime that off Henry would actually save many and and came on so that was really just amazing i. I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get to play together because I wanted to. When he's trust and be vulnerable and be naive and come across silly and all the rest of it and then just blondes on the hill He was unfortunately he imply what you've done demise and he went not too hot and too fast But had cost him for applying like an old style and cheese and unfortunate that he went on so early. And you believe that idol is like sated. Doesn't like magic dust in it that it would come and save you like. That's what you were promised a couple of years ago and it's only so right that it would come and help you out at the beginning of the season but was anyone else that you didn't get a chance to play with. That was voted out. Before you got on the same beach with them that you would have wanted to. Oh yeah looking at you. Know You let me say Shangri. Would you get a good stuff struck lydia or you know the average of the world you? WanNa play with strong feeds competitive women and I think we would have worked well together because we've got a very similar mindset especially I mean really l. We definitely would have been a force to be strong. You know wanting to keep it strong chain and their You know more mature mindset in that game play about Saying people for what they I strong again about being socially strong all social threat. You challenges you've got to you know First and foremost You do not want to go and travel and that comes down to winning. It comes weeding challenge. And so you know oxidized girls with strong faith competitive and I would have been someone that I would have been. Realigned goes differently. I totally see that. Seems like a good synergy between us is but before I let you go after Jackie if you would play again. I'm according to be time. Then we'll be going back for all not also Yeah it'd be good to say you know More of a You know not not everyone in. May Two thousand Asia. It's the people in their forties and fifties because they're big audience and People WanNa see people like yourselves on that. It's not just the young guy. Yeah we'll hopefully happens. Knows how many seasons is going to go on for an and maybe the knows what seems will be old size at least has has a ring to it and so maybe a couple of decades. It sounds like a good team but Jeffey thank you so much for coming onto the podcast and I wanted to wish you the best health as well and just wish you all the best art. Thanks very much and it was lovely chatting with you and Or the pleasure. Thank you bye bye. Shawny the Queen has arrived. Thank you so much for coming onto your role. Plus I'm so excited to chat you about your game. Yeah but so many questions that I'm hoping we'll get to talk about the more lens after the season but before we get there I want to ask. So let's go back to last night. Let's stop there shown flips on you after promising to work with you. How much face did you have it? She would be there. I mean I try conservative from Sean. Doing by one her and everyone watching day in alliance telling them what to do so I thought I wanted to get out athlete being spread so they kinda opened up the game everyone else a little bit It was a smaller but he has some other. Id on within. But I will. Yeah she wants to take Dave to the end so that's a hard one and yours huge threat. So there's merit I guess taking you out as well. Maybe some confusing stuff happening there. With some of those moves. Sean also said she wanted to get revenge on you. I assume for the vote. You didn't cost her back in season. Three some interest in that relationship with Shaanxi. Someone and off work within the POSNER posses in. What was that like through this season? Sorry yeah why nine one one Sean. And we were both as like. Oh 'cause he on us and actually I didn't know Julie Taymor out second but I do because they've been long gone So yeah I wanted to me. That would never trust each other about him and then he ended up pulling out about barred and Owen down over. Man Yeah you see them revenge committed. Ucla's there was any onto revenge like a day seeing what you just kind of saying. That was last night. It was more than anything get revenge so maybe she mentioned that she wants revenge but I honestly I feel like that reeling main priority main power. He was calling because even say they I think she talked to us and to pay someone out jostle men. Yeah especially that revenge like someone I mean. I guess everyone at one that she lost by but no one was blaming it on you at the time. Will you went to rocks in the hope that John would stick with you? You seemed like you really did want to go to rocks. What was the primary reason that made you guys doing rocks? So we didn't believe they would be going myself will definitely be safe and then say playing for time then meant the salad when now sending boxes and chance at one of going harm if I run for myself and then Dave didn't play the idol them. Then we're calling John's son Sean. Sean saying that she wanted Dave as well. I mean committee. It just made sense to do that. So yeah yeah I totally get forty percents to seventy five percent is a lot of a jump so I completely understand knowing that they didn't go with you ju- back on that. Now regret what you think. He just made you miracle sense. Definitely my son's at the time it was just too much of a breeze in hindsight saying that I count on the next anyway. I feel like I taking the gamble and congratulate. You will be shown going all I mean. Hindsight's twenty twenty. I still feel like seventy percent. Chance of losing. Docomo was a hard thing had to kind of put some faith in Sean which you the tough position to be in on another tough decision that you guys had was Harry's advantage. And not giving it to nick using the onboard with saving nick. So how did you campaign to that? I was all about being that on a by then. We didn't want to delay the and then if we went back to aid groups but in many and then if we lost and you'll probably be hiring knowing harm that'd be alike as much as I do. Wish we did handle the Harry positively ball. We're going back to in tribe in he's gone. Yeah such a tough one and there's a lot of tough decisions in this game that you had to make You get the chance to tell you that. He was struggling that reward that they pulled you over four and Dave was running the show and then Dave comes over and says that. He's been in trouble in bobbing along. So how much trust did you have in Dave at that merge? When he's saying that he's with you I'm not really from you but other people seem really confident him. I actually on week saying anything about right. He was whispering flying. The I actually less that one thing that they would either wore. Meek would be going out next Dave on rain shower and he was sorry. She told me he was convincing. And we definitely thought that he was on and that he would come. Waukesha come but gave me a hug and he said unharmful team next and ratios and then leaning on days running back. That would have been a bad things mentioned to pay back. Camp Right. Yeah we needed some sort of like sky riding going optima being like David Mall ice so unfortunate through the merge obviously vodka. Makutu seemed very divided. Besides you know pulling over Jackie which is a talk about. It really did seem quite stop. What do you attribute that to that? Those two size really being a war. I think that and large a very Luigino loyal players so I think they had been teaching will not and on our and all that John. Boehner the point where there was done a long bridges if they actually indeed Roy Moore has been talking about. It was very tight creamy like thinking. I wanted to go ahead and do going walkway. Just have one friend whenever and you go around and you had to go to you getting Blah and then you kind of read. That's what I was planning. But they would like way onto other. It was cradle. Thank you not only was it. Socially very much like that as well all was in more like social connections across the aisle. But it didn't translate strategically In My Really good friends even realize that relationship is And then my really good friends with Marley realizes well and just sitting there waiting for we feel. Sorry yeah it was quite separated. Eagle's actually yeah crazy stuff well. I'm wonderful about exile in the second one where you went to exile. You voted for Jackie. Can you talk US behind that? Because I'm really confused about all of that about cross ride I ever been on. The sharks. Couldn't believe that people were like all I want to go to exile day. God what do you mean you? Don't care about half a million dollars. I didn't want to go to ask style because I- I nine engine that he really going to challenges so I wanted to take Jackie instead right and then you obviously do some amazing working Jackie to flip Ovalles. Talk US through the magic one of the best news of the season. You Getting Jackie to flip you okay. So funny like we did away around us to sorry. Johnny was born on all her alliance and I guess she didn't get along with every dozen sundress home and try to make them sleep and then some very on Jackie out going numbers then we link in their alliance. Let's try and and then I plan B. Jackie I feel I know this evening around ten people bopping around like Jackie Good Kookaburra Jonky good news. I actually started both teaching and yes islands. Happy to hang on what actually really rename object me so it went to a wall and then what again getting you to flip out of a majority is like such a credit to you and probably a bit of a failing as you've said unlike other people in terms of those relationships. So since you're do you see that as best moves the game of what would you say is your best moved again? Breath murders in the inland on. Actually because while I sometime myself in fact that I have more than one ocean going proud to be able to get out because I kind of feel like the show used to be just about everyday people. I feel like I kind of took them back to. What East Eddie? And concentrate that you need to have to play these shows. And I'm beginning to do it with a great personality and go to Vodka Ma and I think last hour on board to my So proud but then always laying on the side kind of Zack's well because one chance one on one of the people that can only be voted out and everything is lined off all good. Yeah and I thought they'd be more like things in history where people who've someone or to the minority to win on a split vote but it's really very razz exceed it's actually super rats. So it's a really cool example to have now in survivor history because it doesn't happen that often so I'm so impressed by that move and all the other news that you you talked about. Also you found an idol and stuff like that's also going to be up there as well and shore line. Yes I'll find. Yes started we started was actually looking on audible and then. I like to live in that. The main thing I was looking for was my wardrobe and we hide old in front of it and we know that only changing over ninety and then ran the ice cream milling around and store it. My goal was she weaning. Unity and finite and I'm wanting but not to find an idol. That early on we started. Yeah amazing stuff. And that's as you the game. The roscoe was really one of the biggest alliances we saw on the pre. Well how did that form? It seemed quite naturally going to align with leading on yet sneakier people are on engine was Henry And then nate and Harry. The only thing we didn't by Henry and try to be floor but he points how in this place mall strategically and everyone thinking outside ball Wanting the ocean and the actually the plane is guys. Emma is made it easy to them. Yeah we love that. Allies also love to vomit three. You'll potus some really great alliances season. I WANNA ask as well. You've been some talk. Not Not a ton for me but there is talk about likes coulda juncture in the game being going with Matt when that Opportunity presented itself and talk about it with Harry and obviously that changes the whole game. You look back at that like there was any merit to that or did you stand by the decisions you made. Well actually I was GONNA be down on hiatus I felt I sorry. I voted my way and we have already gone on the media and I think he would Louis Boards. I told Harry United Decision and I will do what you want. I won't take over the team So I feel like it could've been good for us to we've not but he simony strong connections all other side especially Ingvar and I try to talk him lines time then I get tomorrow into. We'd love cousins. I really I mean. I'm sure she did last me. But I'm feeling that she wouldn't be welcoming her line Why kinda also counting out? Not because neither he grew up with my. You know team on me. I'm screen. Yes Shahad one someone also interesting relationship with Zach we've seen to season off of the FRENEMY relationship. How did that evolve over the season? Yes he's funny off friends but we'd actually new only voted to get all on us shame on TV each other like in the loop and always trying to get into my whole thing. We've got in the beginning. One less cost. I wanted to tell me like track. You can fight his day. You tell us what to do. It's going to be your new ties with Tang control long game. Do you find crowd. But unfortunately we never gonNA do in But definitely definitely improved one nine higher. Yeah but it seemed to get some places and he said voting for you one of the hottest votes that he had the hottest and then you took him out so kind of poetic conclusion to that off but before I let you go in it and as I said I'm hoping to talk to you more after the season but full this exit interview. I do have to ask. Would you play again? I would definitely again a lot of people asking me do. America does definitely do that. Yeah hundred percent. I would say Nora regret too much. Yeah in America. It's just thirty nine days and then he would go to that format but we obviously love washing you big fan of you on the podcast by parents. You're saying how much they love you. My mom wanted me to ask him what you get your addresses and maybe you can tell you that off line rather than it be questions. I love it. I will thank you so much shawny okay. Everyone Jackie and Shawnee and as I said we will be hearing from K. OPTIMA SEASON. And hopefully you know a few of these other players as well the deep dives which will be great. So who you guys enjoyed that. Check out the recap at the great. Jackie glady doubt with a lot of a lot of questions. We had not as many answers. Maybe as we would like it had a lot of fun doing that. Australians laboratory tribal also was on one of my favourite weeks that we've had again with the great. 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#2037: Latent Junkman Syndrome

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#2037: Latent Junkman Syndrome

"Yeah. Hello and welcome to car talk for National Public Radio US Click, and clack the tapper brothers, and we're broadcasting this week from the division of Higher Education here at Car Talk, Plaza knows we're interested in higher education certainly in other words, the September, his a story that certain to be of interest. This is from the Detroit free press northward. University offers a degree in automotive marketing. This is an actual university and they actually offer a major in automotive sales. So. Our Crack Staff wrote away to Northwood University and has obtained an actual copy of the course catalog and my brother will read you a few excerpts from the required required. Of course lists. Go for I mean we just read. We just took these right out of the cattle. Psychology, to to the effectiveness of sartorial patterns on purchase decisions, plaid pants and you. Profess IACOCCA will delve into the effect that different patterns can have on purchase an up sell decisions to wider plaids, courage power options do Gingham plaid's affect leather seats sales does wall polyester effect closing rate prerequisite sociology to all one white belts and luxury purchase intention. Is another economics thrill one market timing strategies went to say, I, have to go talk to myself. Professor R Smith Old. Myth. Are could that be we don't know? Progressive Urban, myth. Delicate Art of timing. When is the appropriate moment during a negotiation to relinquish authority to fictitious supervisor? How to make sure you are completely out of sight during this ploy. So the customer will not see you having a cigarette by yourself in leaving from Newsweek. What is the exact? The exact right moment to throw in the free floor mats several theories of we thoroughly tested and evaluated through role play with the help of guest. Lectures I mean lecturers. Prerequisite Psych one hundred one the art of lying like English one zero seven advanced rhetorical analysis how to answer questions without the benefit of facts like an incumbent by the thought process members of course, numbers Asian of several dozen vocabulary words will be required as they will then be used in improvisational manner to respond to subjects on automotive economic and foreign policy topics since could cost prerequisite English one oh, two basic motor skills, lip, and tongue coordination. Is the last math tool six, getting to forty thousand creative addition techniques disgust along with such tools, exterior and interior packages pin striping, a little known state, and federal. And, dealer prep costs. The semester concludes overview were vast numerical station theory and spontaneous acronym creation. guest lecturers will come from major auction houses, Vegas gaming establishments, and money-losing Internet companies. We was at math one. Oh, four calculating your commission while talk. Where is this place Northwood? Detroit. Wow. Yeah Ideologues are online tool. The DEAN OF ADMISSIONS ONCE Jon. Morgan Linda. If you'd like to talk to us about your car or perhaps enrollment in Northwood College. The number is eight eight eight car talk. That's eight double eight two, seven, eight, double five alot your car talk hi, my name's Tristan I'm in San Francisco rules and a at the end Rosanna Rosanna Rosanna exactly excellent from San Francisco San Francisco California. Yeah. We're GONNA. Hold on. You got a car. You know what I have my friend's car for the summer the clutch. Out When I was going to ask No, it's an automatic. It is it. It's a ninety seven or ninety eight Subaru. Back Sport. And It was driving back from work the other day and I heard a kind of ringing noise. Coming from under the car. I noticed a man and A. Cell Phone. Use. We hope. I noticed a man in a sharp shopping cart rolling toward me and I thought Oh, that's making noise. But then about a mile later, it was still there. So. That wasn't it It stops whenever I I stopped the car to stop sign or stoplight It stopped when I turn make turns. But once I straighten the car back out again I hear the ringing it's almost like a metal sound dragging on the ground you have to be moving pretty much are revving up the engine a little bit. Moving moving. Moving have you tried just revving up the engine without moving example, leaving it in park or neutral I didn't try that I didn't think so. I didn't think. Diagnostics. Yeah. Well, that'll mean we'll have to give you two answers. Okay. Well, one for moving one four. Okay I'm only I'm prepared with only one answer. I am I'm not. All right well, well, you of your answer and. I'll give my answer and you obviously give the other one. Yeah I mean you may have you may have two answers I I have to I mean you have to more or? May Not, be mine. Wouldn't that be interesting? Then we'd have three wouldn't we go? My answer is it. You have a loose heat shield and what you're hearing is the little cheap metal of the heat shield rattling and it's a benign little noise and where is he should locate heat shield on this phone outside of the re entry. Rockets. You had me writing. The heat. Shield. Is Everywhere the heat shield runs from stem to stern on the exhaust system on this car, it starts virtually at the engine and their heat shields wrapped around the front exhaust pipe and the intermediate pipe and the Catholic converter and the tailpipe. You name it as h yield and it could be any one of those heat shields. It's come loose and is making this annoying little clearing. Knows and that's that's ninety nine percent probably right and you can corroborate that by sitting there with the with the in neutral park and revving up the engine and you will get the noise without actually being in motion I will get the knife thinks okay. But now my brother's prepared to give you six or seven other. That was that was my first answer and the second one. If in fact you you rev it up and you can't get the noise unless you really are moving. Okay. NOT PROBABLY ISN'T IF Then, you might have a little. I don't know backing plate that's bent, and maybe a rotor is just barely touching it or you could have trouble stuck in their Hebel stuck between a mid the pebble beach or anything like that. Mary simply. Yeah. But I don't think so I think that you can get the noise even when you're not moving and that's GonNa. Be The heat. So when are you returning this car at the end of the week and then the week? Oh, good the sooner the better, right exactly academic. Wouldn't even mention it Oh no you. Have to give whoever you borrowed it from a full report. Absolutely. Absolutely really I agree why wouldn't say anything? Because how long you've had to cut the car all summer YEP. The person who was stupid enough to let you drive his car her car. Is, going to get in the car and not having it. Three months I saw is going to hear five other noises, which is gonNA blame you for. So. Why add another one? If you say, Oh, it makes sense little tinkle tinkle noise. He's GonNa say yeah. Well, what about the thanking noise? Want he hit a bump? What about the noise I I take a left turn a Rosebush that stuck to the left front doesn't make any of those noises when I gave you the car and you're GONNA end up paying for a transmission CV joints wheel bearings. Oh, here's what you do arranged to be out of town when he returns Smart Right Give him three or four days to sort things out and you have to be incommunicado. You have to be someplace disappear can't found Rosanna don't know what to return it on a on a day when you're having storms. Thunder especially, loud fund open crashes. I was thinking of leaving the radio volume up really. Try that at the shop. But get the heat she had looked at. If you want to get rid of this, this is the only thing. Gas Station if they can duplicate the noise, they can probably tighten it up a little weld on it. Chewing gum works that. Kind. Of thing. Yeah. See a Rosanna. By. If they had high temperature chewing gum that would work. Louis we have that. One, eight, eight, eight. That's eight, two, two, seven, eight, two, five, five lawyer on car talk. Hi, my name's art from Kinley. Park. Hey Art art from where Timothy Kinley. Park. Illinois. It's a suburb of Chicago. Oh and I've got a problem with my nineteen ninety Monteiro. Yeah it's gotTa steering box up front, and it's a little loose I tighten the adjuster up and. Get a lot better. When you say it, it's how this the steering is loose not the steering box with the steering box like the play in the wheel is extra all the ball joints are tied. It's shocks. The tires are good. We have to be careful when you assess this play. When you turn the wheel, you know if you hold the wheel at hands at twelve o'clock and you go back and forth, you know from say eleven to one or my brothers case from light. Okay if you just go to to back and forth with that frequency, you can have an assistant do that while you look down below, you may find out that you pitman arm is worn out or some such thing may not be in the box but let's assume it is in the box. Yeah. Everything looks right the arm is tight and all the links because they had a skid plates off and stuff. So you actually jacked it up and you actually moves the wheels back and forth and you actually saw that the tyrod ends were not flopping around right To the dealer, but they told me that the steering boxes bad. They. Didn't tell me exactly how much they charge to fix it and I kind of all you don't want to know. I A new ones two thousand bucks and they said in the neighborhood of five hundred dollars would probably do it. So I'm guessing closer to eight or nine hundred bucks isn't going to rebuild it for five hundred. Yeah. That's what they said. Wow. But my real question is. At least got to be attended to. There's a shop here power steering specialty shop that says can do it for two hundred and fifty bucks and I'm wondering if that's just too good to be true. Well, are they gonNA do it with mostly black paints? Spray painting to new bolts. Wow Jeez so Is Two hundred and fifty bucks sound like just too good to be true or. I mean I have to say that two thousand dollars sounds so ridiculous and unreasonable. I know. Four tires and you got the new price of. And even five or six hundred dollars sounds a little bit outrageous. So I'm I'm a little bit reluctant to dismiss the to fifty as being completely out of whack because he the way I figured it was that was the price. If I, just bring him the box you gotta give him a shot I. Mean You just got a tenth of what it should be Tell them to do it twice. The Amount of money box comes right out. So. You're going to bring. You're going to take it out. You're gonNA bring it to them right and he's going to give you a rebuilt one. Yeah. No, he's GonNa give you. Want rebuilt mine. Yeah. I i. believe he can certainly do that for too. Don't forget I. Mean. We're not talking rocket science here now. This is not a very, very complex. Thing that can happen is it the steering locks up and you crashing Utai? Question I've got two trips coming up that I'd like to take take it on and I was wondering is it likely that it would stop turning one way or the other all of a sudden? She's I I suppose it could. Really. Okay I would let him do it before you go take your trip where you go. Okay. Good luck. alrighty. Well, thank you very much for your information. Okay. Appreciate it Kentucky say hi, by one, eight, eight, eight, car, talk one, eight, two, seven, eight, two, five, five, you're on car talk. Hi, this really Kirkwood I'm calling you from Plano Texas million. Doing feeling. Great. Good place isn't it? Oh, you've heard of it. I think we were there once I was in Plano. Yeah. Oh I spent the weekend that was drain old. Gino. That's on the other side of. Things like. This is the greatest place we may not be Boston, but we're right up there. Now, I've got A. Not a problem with the white my car runs, but if the windshield Go through the drive in car wash you know at the service station saw. If you want to get the blow dry on your car, you have to get that wax treatment and it leaves a film on the windshield and that's not so bad during the day. But at night or when it's raining, you can't see any way it gets it all Mary and I can't get that off well. If if you told them about it, they would deny it vehemently ecorse and the reason they would deny it is does nothing in that container? You know when you go through and you pay the extra two bucks for tax. Yeah and it says the light will flash when the I don't think there's anything in. The light flashes would, how would you know? How would you know now I never can't tell any difference in the way my car looks I just like to get blown dry. So I think they blow dry the car regardless whether you get the wax not don't they achieve car washes down here. He millions go into one of these cheapo places I don't go. It's only one bay long. Those sprinkles down and then he leaves I got it I know I, know what you're going to. But if you can, if you can avoid the wax, what's the big deal about the blow dry just forget it well, it just has spots on my car. If I don't do the blow dry need to upgrade me, you need to go to a fancier car wash. Yeah. But in the meantime, how do you know how can? Get that stuff off the windshield a friend of mine told me to use steel wool but I'm afraid it'll scratch the the windshield I. Don't want that. We did have a call last year from a guy who detailed cars and he said you can use four old. That is the seal with the four zero four. Oh. Okay. I can deal won't on you and I I don't think I'd tried on the windshield i. Might want to try it on your husband's. I'll try it on one of those cars at parks over the lines in the parking. Takes up to stay. Pretty pretty good window cleaners for cars. It really are designed to get off a lot of the stuff that gets like pitch and whatever entire from trees, and it should take off that wax as well. You know the thing that I have found clean windshields better than anything is Go down to the place that makes contact lenses and buy some lens cleaner. And it comes with a little bottle cost about seven hundred dollars for like three dramatic sounds bottle. But it is phenomenal for cleaning windshields canny use that and your problems will be over and that's the end of that and I'll happily ever after you certainly will indeed a love your show you guys are just too much. Great, thank you. Call by we have now arrived I think at the halfway point of the first to show. What you talk the halfway point of the first come on just Satan where a third of the way to the show can't just say, no I'm going convoluted. Sophisticated in erudite and all that you know well, I would start with a clean tissue if I wanted to be more. Than era. That would take you right up to the next level. We'll be back in a minute. Along that river. Glamour. Go. Online. This road it is remind we. Same. widened. Winding. sonnets off placing. Census Call as the night time. 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Yesterday we forgot to get the Sunday paper off the porch and when we found it Monday, we thought it was Sunday. This is the one. This is. Fun Things to do in an elevator. And there's a whole list of them. including. Stay out grinning at another passenger for Awhile, and then say I've got new socks on. Crack Open your briefcase or purse while peering inside say you got enough air in the. And my personal favorite. grimace painfully while smacking your forehead muttering shut up. Damnit. All of you. Elevate is a great. You have a captive audience. It's like, I'm having prisoners out of all the people on the Internet. Nothing to do and can put together lists like this. You realize this is going to be the undoing of our civilization the Internet. Yeah. Because it is diminished productivity to the point where we're just we saw that's okay. As you know, we've always been proponents of decreased productivity. Oh, I have certain. And we are with our website because you can kill hours. I mean there is nothing more useless. We say problem probably. Yeah and in fact, we will, of course, Poste's. On the site so that if you didn't hear them, you want to hear the ones that I didn't like you. Can you too you? Too. Can you share them? And you can post them on your website. When you get the, you're in the meantime if you want to give us a call, our number's one, eight, eight, car talk that's one, eight, eight, eight, two, two, seven, eight, two, five, five hello you're on car talk. Hi This is Tony from Alexandria Virginia whole Hani Honey. Yes on. Life. Usually. I hit the problem name I've had it for a Lotta Years I've always had problems with it. How do you spell that? Spelled H. A. N. I. Good German name Oh Ha this this could get you in a lot of trouble. Hi, I'm honey yes. If you lived in Boston, it would get you in more trouble we don't use it'd be all of. Ours had been banned from the language here in in our affairs really necessary except this first letter. Well, in this case, we know that it could keep her on a trouble maybe have I don't. Mind you be the the hardy anyway. So, let's up honey. Well, I've got this eighty five Toyota Camry with one hundred and fifty thousand miles on it. In the last few months, it's been the weirdest thing. I've ever go to work in the morning I drive about four or five miles. I, the disintegrating bridge, and then I had up a series a hills. And rate then the car starts to lose its power. and. I'm going around seventy miles because you have to keep up with all the traffic rush hour traffic on the beltway. I'm going seventy miles an hour and their drops down to sixty five, sixty, fifty, five, fifty tongue down like forty miles an hour transmission standard. And so I'm chugging up these hills. Yes. Is it White What color is it? It's a Burgundy Red Burgundy Red I probably held you up in traffic somewhere having. Cabernet Sauvignon read. Low read about I'm looking John. Already. Shawny Franz. Anyway, but when I finally get to the top of the hill or at some point, maybe even during going up the hill, decided that it to regain power, and then the front end of the car just starts to shake and shudder and I can accelerate too fast because I feel like the car is GonNa fall apart all this time that it's decelerating slowing down. Ewing remaining in fifth gear I have gone down to fourth chicken into third. It makes no difference. So I. You know and we've tried different things because you I thought well, maybe I needed a tune-ups got on new spark plugs, wires, or new rotor capping distributor and leading professional looking at this it is now in the garage. At the Toyota. Garage now. Volkswagen garage. It's just a it's just a service that that they work on all kinds of of cars. And they think maybe it's a slipped clutch and fuel-filter. But when they asked when they brought up the slip clutch theory, the asked me if my RPM's were reading up. When I was struggling? And it doesn't. It's not the clutch. Thank you. And if that was a good theory. Well they haven't changed the fuel-filter yet. It's certainly when whoever did the tuneup did the up the fuel-filter should have been changed. And it's very possible if that's what it is. Okay you could easily have A. Restricted or partially plugged catalytic converter s could. But what would you more likely than not have the Toyota Camry Syndrome? T C s just what and they see if you're taking us to a Toyota dealer. Leading I should you into the new car showrooms and said you've got T, C. S. What that is, it is a condition where the carbon deposits the valve train. Get heated up and expanded and prevent the vows from closing all the way. So you basically as you're driving up this hill have less and less compression. So it's like you need a valve job oh. My God that's expensive and it'll it'll happen when the engine gets its hottest. Okay. So it'll happen climbing a hill in the daytime it won't happen if in. Some cases even if you climb that same hill, right in the same direction at night because it's cooler at night, are you serious that this can't be sick? Kids usually can be fixed with a chemical additive. Okay. In fact, if you can find the repair shop in your area that has something called a motor vac okay. Machine that style soul by snap on dealers nap one tool dealers to to unsuspecting garage owners going. Yeah. I have two of them know it actually works very well for this and it'll clean the carbon deposits out of the valve train and make the thing run like a new car. And if this guy doesn't understand what to do with this, then you may be forced to go to the dealer because they definitely will. No. Okay and consider adding another letter to name said. By bye hello. It's everyone's dream Hulo I'm honey. Honey. Died didn't go. If I, if you play the tape actress and Say Hello I'm Hani she did say that and we that will. She announced. A bus immediately said well. Come here. One eight car talk or one, eight, eight, eight, two, two, seven, eight, two, five, five. Hello you're on car talk. Hello. My name is close I'm calling from Raleigh North Carolina close? Yeah. I drive a Volkswagen Fox eighty nine. And I think I have I have two questions? Basically, the one thing is I made the trip to to New York, to Washington, DC and stuff. And I put some money into the car before then and when I came back I pulled into the driveway and was a Sunday night at midnight and I wanted to start you know half an hour later to go to the grocery store and get some some groceries. and. I couldn't put in any gear when the engine was running. I'm a physicist. So my own investigation resulted in the following thoughts deficits. You have a hypothesis exactly. Okay. Let's hear. Okay I'm thinking if I can shift the gears when the engine is not running I cannot shift gears when the engine is running I mean Nokia at all right therefore. This is a little syllogism therefore. Therefore. I must learn to drive with the engine running. That's what I did. Actually no cold. Because I wanted to the grocery store then and I stopped the engine put in the first year and and cranked it up until I was running. You know the car yeah it was helping a little bit forward but then he was going there was no traffic yeah, and you know so I tested the revolution so that I could get into second and this brought me home again yes. Yeah. I think that the clutch isn't opening anymore for some reason. Come to the correct conclusion. The is no longer disengaging, and that's why in fact you've probably figured out that once you're moving, you can actually shifted to second third and fourth pretty easily but that first gear and in reverse a killers. And You. Shut the thing off the yeah. Yeah. That's true. If it. Seriously that you know the clutch died on me or is there any other reason? Would have gone wrong. There's another reason if you're lucky, this is what it is. It's possible that the clutch cable has stretched. A cable that runs from the pedal down to the the arm that holds the clutch released bearing, and if you have led a good clean life. You can replace that for thirty dollars Oh. Wow. So you actually the part probably see if you go to Volkswagen dealer, it probably cost twenty dollars or something twenty-three I'm assuming he's going to do it himself yard yourself. It's actually pretty easy to do okay and you're requires that you get into the dashboard and disconnect the cable from the pedal. Hook there that hooks onto the pedal it's it's it's even a physicist can do this. And then the other end has a bunch of little clips in in a in a rubber gromit, but it's all obvious I would take a picture of it how You know how? How do I know that it is stretched because will you don't the way you? The way you know is, is you put a new one in? And then you will adjust it so that the pedal feels normal. You know when you're sitting at the in the driver see, you should be able to push that pedal about an inch with very little resistance, and then the remaining distance requires considerable effort. I see. So you want to adjust that is an adjustment on the on the on the cable and you'll figure out how to do. That is a nut you have to turn and when you've done this and adjusted it and you and the pedal feels normal pedal should feel then you start it up and you step on the clutch and it'll. The first year slide right in, and if it doesn't then then you need to replace the clutch okay. Let. Let me ask you another question. Sure. Okay. You know I bought the car for thirteen hundred bucks I put in three hundred and if I have to replace the clutch, it would be another four or five hundred. more. Yeah roundabout I guess so I was thinking you know it worthwhile because you know it has two hundred whatever sixteen thousand miles on it and so forth to do that are if it just you know it's it's getting close to two becoming eighteen hundred, two thousand dollars car. Yes. So what? That's cheap. Let's keep. Oh. I mean, what's the alternative? The alternative is that you take it to the yard they give you twenty five bucks for it. Because no one in his right mind is going to drive a car that he can't shift. So even if you were going to sell it, you'd have to replace the clutch. And we are bound by our affiliation with our the automobile repair technicians of America Howard people to fix the cars whenever possible. That's right and if we ever recommended anything other than that, we would be summarily drummed out drummed out of the of the organization no longer able to attend the annual seat cover convention in Dayton, and the boat show. Covering. Your closet. Thank you, bye-bye. One eight eight, eight, car talk or one, eight, two, seven, eight, two, five, five, zero you're on car talk. Hi, this is Rosie from absolutely Michigan. How you doing but I should tell you that my reports are in your city. Really hitting US where did you live? Well, my parents met working at Harvard Science Library, she was the librarian and he was a security guard. Kidding US and they moved to epsilon emission. So he knew all the unused rooms were. Excellent. anyways. So now you're an absolutely, yes cool. What's up well, I have ninety five Saturn and I have a dispute with my husband. I'm hoping you can help me with where'd you meet him? I met him right here in good old plant. No kidding yeah okay. Thanks that it is a problem for the car. If you have like the cooling system, he thinks that it will hurt the car by engaging both systems. If you have the temperature control toward the middle and not at either extreme all I in other words I know he he he thinks it's. Wearing the air conditioner if you blend in some heat within. On having the temperature selector all the way over to cold right so he always has it freezing or boiling. Well, he's wrong. Yeah and he's bordering on not. Only. I mean he's he's done I. Don't think he's nuts but he just thinks that the two systems are related to each other and they're not okay. This is not unlike your house if you had A. An air conditioner in the window. And the room was getting too cold but you couldn't regulate the air conditioned, but you couldn't regulate it and you didn't want to shut it off and then turn it back on and shut it off and turn it back on and it didn't have any controls on it. The nothing that says you couldn't then also turn on the heat. which is the big boil down in the basement. It's got nothing to do with the thing in the window. And the car is pretty much the same way. Okay and in both circumstances the air conditioner. Is running full blast all the time. So when your husband has the lever all the way over to cold and you're freezing in this cars because the air conditioner's running continuously, if you would then to introduce them heat to warm the temperature up a little bit, the air conditioning would still be running continuously so it wouldn't be working any harder. Okay Wasting anything because you making the heat for free. Almost, because he is coming from the engine, the heat of the engine. So it's not as though you're wasting anything everything is working fine and the husband's crazy. All right you. You you could. You could control the temperature by turning the conditioner on and off or opening the window. That's what we do. We turn it on and off. That's fine. That's okay and that does use less energy. Is as long as you don't mess around with opening windows enclosing win in other words if you left the windows closed and you turn the air conditioner off when it got started to get hot, you turned it back on but that's a pain in the neck. I would say fine the temperature that you like. And sit there and some of. Pick on you for something else. See a rosy. Thanks for calling. All right. Tommy look it's time to take a break. That's good. You look tired you want a cup of coffee. You know as a matter of fact, I would well why your grammy daughter? Jerk. We'll back in a minute. Joe's going again. Shot. I have enough money. Job Only. GonNa run. When they see. This man. Wad Donald. Man. Even though the red socks cross out the word Boston uniforms whenever they say this is NPR. Support. For this podcast and the following message come from K. 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Since I don't presently have a life I listened to your program often. But when I do get my own life, you can bet that I will for other stations to tune to during the time. Yup Program is on in the meantime I do you can improve your program further as discussed below? I refer to your stated that one may to pay two hundred dollars to fix whatever it is. That is wrong with the car if that's what it is. But that is not the real problem in my view the real problem that concerns many of us is. To have to pay to fix the problem if that is not what it is yes. This can be an even more significant cost factor. For example, to fix a rattling Mufleh may cost two hundred dollars if that's what it is but if that is not what it is and it is, in fact, a rattling camshaft, it could cost ten times as much. You seem to ignore this important case therefore, can you please add your experienced this equation and expand your phrase to cover the complete case of fixing it whether that is what it is all that is not. This would be a significant improvement in our in the standing of car repair costs sincerely are. Are. Are Really has nothing. Anyway those of you who are missing the puzzle right about now no wouldn't be me. Actually. That's not true. I mean I do enjoy the plus learn if only to watch you squirm when they hate mail not supplying. Well, look the puzzle. Weeks in the meantime, you can check out this week's archival puzzle on the website or if you have a car question, give us a call at eight eight, eight car talk that's Eight, eight, eight, two, two, seven, eight, two, five, five year on car talk. Is this Carey Shiri S. H. A. R. I. Are now no. The isn't the sweet wine as in sweet sweet and dry humor. Yes we got it. S H, E. E. R. R. R. What. From Sherry from Michigan I gotta go. Yeah so Why did you come? You're going to be better to do than call. US. Sherry. Well. Here's my here's my concern. I have an eighty, seven mercury Topaz. Read now, we're somewhat concerned here because it seems to be experiencing intermittent hot flashes. This is this is what happens. It has a temperature gauge that goes from seat to age, and then it sells out normal in between right? Yeah. Okay. So you can see where it is at any time. Recently we took a weekend road trip of about three hundred miles and the gauge stayed on 'em during most of the trips during a picture. Okay. Then arriving into the city of our destination climb to eight, then to L. and then it redlined into H. as we restart destination. Okay. Now, these last few moments here how many moments were they from 'em to to h. m. m h how much very steadily twenty minutes? No, no. No. Just within within a couple of minutes couple of minutes were stopped or nearly stopped when this happened. Yes. Good. Cruising along and then we were nearly stopped. Okay. Now we let it sit overnight and we check the new belts. We had just put new belts on we check those and they seem to be tight. And then the next day in preparation for the return trip we took it for twenty mile drive and we tried to force it to overheat and we turn the heater on. We turned the heater off We we drove it in third instead of the emergency brake on that one. Well no we didn't do that. But. Then again when we stopped at a light, it redlined again, right right. We'd let it idol for a little while back down to 'em. You did it did I link just sitting there? Remain that the light? We pulled into a parking lot and sort of watched it. Believe it was a like a full light? Okay so Way Up, and then as you continue to just sit there with the engine running, it came down to Amazon I. Wish you hadn't said that well I. I have a theory that. Everything. You're no curves that you controls like the roof snow, which I can't devise. Gary. It goes on the ride home was uneventful uneventful stay on our an m most of the way because you were driving at high speed. And then on the way to work Monday morning, the temperature gauge and the gasoline gates surged at the same time going you know from the EM whoo. Yet a third theory is coming. The only time we ever noticed. This last one again, this throws a hooker into the whole theory one theory to a now down the tubes based on this we were we were avidly watching the game watching the gauges and you're on the way to work you and your husband you work at the same place. No I just I take him to work in the morning you take him to work your wife doesn't make sure you. Get lost a lot of. Notice. Okay. So you're both going to work you taking him to work you're driving. He's he's driving in your watching the gauges. peds out. Specific here we watched the we watched the gate, the temperature gauge, and the gasoline gates surge up together up to H, and then back down to 'em. Steadily the gas gauge went up to full and back down to half it went from a proximity, a quarter to half. Whole kidding. Didn't go all the way to full at the saddest thing about this whole story is that we don't know the answer that she's already told us with the cars. I can't say what color is this car? Jesus God nor can we ask her? It was a tank more than half full we know that. That to. The Fun. You have. And then it goes on a little bit more. Good I hope the next piece will put it all together far was okay for a couple of days, and then I noticed it again after driving a little while I stopped a red light and it went up to h and then went back down to 'em. The gas gauge gasket, you didn't do anything. That time. So, at the end of this long story, we were wondering if this is something serious or just a sort of an auto menopausal kind. I I'm of the belief that the car is in fact not overheat that's what I say maybe. Well. But that could change. It's absolutely not overheating but. The. Weekend nothing at all. I mean the fact that the gas gauge and the temperature gauge one up together indicates is really wrong with the cooling system at all. But the problem is in the gauges themselves right and as a matter of fact, you ever venture to open the hood won the needle was all the way knots. Was the electric fan running the fan was running. Yes. That's good. Okay. Now my guess is that's working properly and you probably need is a new temperature gauge. That's my guess w about the gas gauge and one of those two. Estrogen guests, treatment estrogen could do it I mean it could be that could do it I mean it's either that the gauges themselves are gone Zoll or the some common faults. But what you need to on ground mechanic and have that mechanic make sure that in fact the fan goes on at the right time you'll have put us thermometer in there and he'll watch the thing go up and go CUCO. He may in fact, want to change the the sending unit in in the engine that makes sense of signal to the gauge, call the temperature switch. The T. Su right. So he he may want to change the temperature switch and then he may find that that doesn't fix it and when he discovers that, he'll take the dashboard apart and replace you gauge but you have to have a gauge that works. I mean, you do anything stupid like break the glass and you know bend the needle. Wouldn't WanNa do that my brother did that but you don't WanNa do that. You would want to do that. You guys are terrific. Well, let you know that and we're not related. disclaimer. You guys are great. Thanks Sherry. Continued call. Temperature sensing sending unit was named for an old Chinese philosopher. That allow so One, eight, eight, eight, car talk or one, eight, eight, eight, two, two, seven, eight, two, five, five Oh you're on car talk. Joe From Kingston Hey Joe Kingston Kingston Kingston Kingston Rhode Island. Kickoff course are you a quaker? Are An Amish? No, no. See them driving cars too much radio either I just realized. Now we have over the years we have managed to alienate just about every possible. Listening group in the entire country and some overseas or most overseas we started talking bad about the Amish how would they know? How would they know? I understand they're, ready to give up. Anyway. Well, I, need your assistance my mother-in-law four months ago. brother-in-law. Park two, eighty, three Honda civic in my backyard. I. It's still there. Okay Good thing. It wasn't my brother's backyard because you know where it would be now it would be in the crusher. Accurate in mind. It would be better in his yard line. Tells it in your yard and. Well he he had it he lives in Maryland. And they got a notice on his car was going to be towed as an abandoned vehicle. So one Friday evening work well, Saturday morning actually four o'clock in the morning he it back home. But So, your new his mother's house and she said get it Outta here because he's already got a TV are and a Honda motorcycle sit in the yard. He drove it to your house that he was planning to leave it there. But he comes and visits regularly visits. What did you know when he did he was coming? Why didn't you move? All icy he owns the hosted you live in. This car sitting in the backyard. And I figured well, you know I listen to you guys. You guys come up with so many creative ideas. Yeah. I'm glad you called Joe. You pay him rental live in this, house yes. Fair market rents are below market. So you'll have to live in this house, you can live in any comparable house for the same amount of money. But then it would. If you're suggesting moving not have to move stuff and I don't WanNa move. move the car. Car. This. Isn't your problem whatever it might be his problem though it isn't just hands on whether or not this brother-in-law. is his brother's wife are his wife's brother? Who is he wave spreading? Know it's her problem. Problem. Gets the detail, of. Fixing the problem. So she wants it out of there, she said she doesn't care but we have to cut cut the grass have to move to the car to get the weeds grow around it and you know through the floorboards and stuff. Well I think your brother-in-law needs behavior modifications there. I mean. You can't just go sprinkling junk boxes around like my brother does. Hold. On My? Car. Was My next archer is it up to your garage? And maybe the title. I mean you obviously has another vehicle that he's driving. He thinks at some point, maybe five or ten years from now might need this car. Emotionally attached to this car. It's got two, hundred, twenty, five, thousand miles on it. Now, the engine does run very well but. Body Wise. There's yeah I mean how well can it run with? How much longer could it have left? Matt? Johnston. there. Forever. Mess with A. Hoax letting go here's what you do. You just need. He doesn't need the whole car he needs a memento rakoff. Him. Going to help with the separation. Break off a piece of. Please kiss goodbye. Whole car we'll be wear back in his house. Get rid of the. Part Week. But. I think he needs help. He needs. He has separation anxiety. He doesn't know how to let go. This is definitely one of those things that. He has eljay s I think. L., Layton junk. Man Syndrome. Because I think people that do this want really to be junk men my. Brother would be a junk man if he if my brother hadn't been exposed to the education and breeding that he has. A junk man. I'm not that there's anything wrong with it and I mean it in the best possible way. I don't think that's true because there are various kinds of people who collect stuff and most of them. But I don't collect stuff. It's stuff that has become a part of my life and the separation is the problem. It's a social happening go out and find other people no memory know that's the next. That's that's face to face. One is not being able to get rid of stuff face to is going out and actually seeking out seeking other people's what junk everything you have is what junk? If I sprinkled with rock salt and lime would rushed into the ground. Any quicker you could do that. You could do that. Don't miss what Joe No. There are consequences far beyond our ability talk operation. That's right because this could affect international relations. I mean you could have a latent ted. Kaczynski on your hand. You don't know. Relations. You'll angry with your mother in law and your brother-in-law and you eventually wife and your kids could grow up to hate you. Would just wait till the car russ away if that's what it has to be put your foot down. No more than three cars. CLA. To. US by by. Well, it's happened again what you've squandered another perfectly good. Our listen to car talk our esteem producers Doug the subway fugitive, not a slave to fashion bongo boy. Frog make you. 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Step Parenting, don't make it hell!

The Confident Marriage

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Step Parenting, don't make it hell!

"Got a marriage on the rocks. And it's starting to suck got some intimacy issues and your sex life stop. Put yourself in the hands of jessica weeks scott. All the marriage tax tips tricks and tweaks without marriage amidst taking on the hot topics. No one else. Put your airpods hit. Listen up real. Close the here every single week and make sure you take notes for some expert advice way beyond commonsense take everyday members to a marriage of company. This is the confident marriage. Podcast i'm your host jessica. I'm super happy to be here. And i'm so happy you're tuning in. Thank you all for joining me today. Please don't forget to subscribe to the podcast. It really means a lot to me and it lets me know that you're listening and enjoying the show. Also you get updates when we have a new podcast that posted so these are some super super crazy times. We're living in and we are spending more and more time with our family than ever before form. It's becoming the new norm. We're experiencing so many trials and tribulations. We didn't have before and it has been by far a huge burden on marriages and families. You'd think it'd be the opposite but that just hasn't been what people are seeing and experiencing. Please take the time to go back and listen to the other podcasts. And try to be the exception to the outcome of our circumstances and not like many marriages and families that are going through so much right now. Don't give in to the situation. Use it as an opportunity to better yourself your marriage and you're family. Please do also always ask me questions and let me know if there is a topic. You'd like to hear i promise you. This isn't the typical show where i'm going to ignore your request. How do you contact me ha. Well that is easy. You can visit my website at. Www dot to the confident marriage dot com an email me from there you can like in follow us on our social media platforms. Facebook is the confident marriage. Twitter the c. Merge show and instagram at the confident marriage. So if you didn't know that incredibly sexy hot guy who is wrapping at the beginning of the show is my husband. And he has wiggled his way into my podcast being permanent part of it so as we talk today. He's going to be a stepping in with some of his knowledge and experience and he's got good things to say so here amount like herpes. You can't get rid of me. Got me this episode. We're gonna be talking about blended families step parenting super. Hard hot sean. It's been a struggle. Yeah yeah so. I have a fifteen year old daughter from a previous marriage and sean has had to step into the role of stepdad and We know first hand how incredibly hard it is on marriage and at tests limits between parents in ways that we never thought it would or could we don't really realize how much this impacts our relationship with her spouse until we're in the full throes of a blended family then really unjust. Then do we see the full force of the challenges. The disagreements and the level of difficulty being a step parent is but also as a parent. And i know this firsthand. While watching your spouse with your child it's not just a challenge for the adults. Put the children. It definitely builds on the challenges all around and also having to balance the children the relationship in parenting it can be pretty overwhelming. A lot of kids go through a very difficult time adjusting to a pet stepparent having to understand and learn new adult testing their limits. Learning what to expect is really hard for a child. He having someone parent them. When naturally they aren't their parent the fillings of their biological parents being replaced. Or maybe even not president all he is emotionally difficult for a child to settle with especially for a child who is an identifier by all mess going on inside them so if as parents and as adult if we step back and take a logical look at how difficult this is for the kids we just might start to have a better understanding as to why this is one of the most challenging parts of marriage and often can even be traumatizing for children now. I know that this is led to a lot of arguments between jessica myself when i came into the marriage. I'd never been apparent before. And i came in as a stepparent instantly to nine year old which was a lot easier than being a step parent to a hormonal fifteen year. Old girl. young woman girl can't be a young woman. But i know there's a couple of things that happen and one of them is that you tend to bring in learn behaviors that you picked up from your parents which aren't always healthy and that leads to clashes between you and your spouse about how to raise the child and it puts your spouse in an awful position because then he or she is having to choose between their child and their spouse. I know that's led to a lot of problems and you know. Then there's the normal everyday differences on Parenting style and choices and punishment and reward and and privileges and all of that. And i don't always get that right and my wife is usually right. I argue with her anyway. Because i think i'm right. And then she usually sets me straight. And then i mumble something under my breath and walk away and stuff it down. We're done a show about toxic behavior now. But that's a good one totally. Do you like a totally lead. That one you'd be great at it. I love you. I love you so i know that you and your spouse is totally sat down and had several detailed talks about his hopes. Goals expectations expectations expectations. Show we actually to. We have a show on sex kinda. We shouldn't have a deeper one deeper truck back only gosh. I don't even know where that you've got me on this that. But as i was saying boundaries you both probably had a really long detailed talk about your parenting values and strategies and you both came to very firm and concrete agreements on what these variables are before. You've been getting into this right and you know you both end. If you're like most blended families you didn't do this or you did do it. But you realize now that it was more superficial and you thought you had all the possibilities covered but when action time came. I'm sure you both earned that it's not going the way you thought it would and perhaps even wonder if this was a huge mistake. It wasn't a mistake and it's just time to step back and start from scratch first things first. You and your spouse need to have a detailed conversation as to what your role and relationship will look like with the children. And i don't mean those fly by half ass conversations you guys know. I hate those. I say that all the time. Don't have sean conversation about jesse conversation about getting that submarine dive dive deeper. Go to the next level. Get underneath everything. Don't just go Sounds good babe. Yeah oh get in there. Say what you feel safe. What your morals are your values what you want to teach your kids. Talk about. Shared goals you know. Hey i'm trying to prepare kids for college. Make them healthy adults. Or i wanna make sure that my child understands the values that go into having healthy relationships and both of you get all that out and then you know prioritize and come to an understanding on what the most important things are that you can focus on. What the things are that. Each of you disagree on so that you can either keep them. Throw them out the other person's viewpoint. Don't just sit there and wave your arms and accept everything your spouse says because then you're going to feel like you weren't heard that you're gonna feel like you don't have a say in it but also remember that if you're a stepparent the biological parent has to have the ultimate say because it's their flesh and blood. Don't get me wrong. That doesn't mean that you can't or don't love them as much as you would your biological child but you need to defer to the biological parent you need to give them that respect and these conversations are super important and they'll really help save you. All from a chaotic common future. Resentment respect during these conversations is really really crucial not getting offended on either side. Not taking things to heart is really really hard. And i know this firsthand. I know sean does to however you cannot let it start an argument or cause more problems more resentments towards each other. Because it's not going. It's not going to help anything nor will it lead to any real solutions. Just going to be caught up in a cycle and before we move onto if you're the stepparent coming in and you have no experience as i did. Don't be afraid. And this is something i didn't do. Don't be afraid to draw on the experience of the parent who's been there and who's learned how to be a parent and and draw on what they've learned. Ask them they have the experience. They know their child. You don't have the experience you don't know their child. You don't know what to do and it's not a shot against your ego and it will actually help the two of you come closer together. Partners gonna feel recognized and she's gonna feel supported here she's gonna feel supported here. She is gonna feel the respect from you in that that is all very true isn't that essentially what partnerships are for to complement one another and to lift each other up and teach one another so an additional mistake that blended families make is forcing the children to call the stepparent mom or dad. You shouldn't in my opinion you shouldn't force children to call a stepparent mom or dad or even make them treat them as a mom or dad essentially. They aren't thermometer and as hard as it is sometimes they may never be that child's mama dada in there is in some cases. This can be pretty traumatic for children. You've got to allow the child to space time to figure out where they fit in with your partner and how remember this is a whole new relationship that's got to t- to bloom to take place you can't just walk into a relationship with another person and just get married in and done. That's it well. It's the same thing with parenting. There's got to be a transition period. There's got to be a learning of one another. there's got to be a bond created. There's there's got to be an understanding of one another and that takes time and don't force it to be so just because they put a ring on your finger and you on there's now that's not to say that you can't call a stepparent mom or dad It's gotta be something that that comes on. Its own though. Not something that can be forced That can be very confusing especially for small children. Wait daddy's here. But i have daddy over here and and it can also lead to resentments feelings of trying to replace mom or dad so by all means if it's comfortable for the child and it's comfortable for the parents and and even if there's an amicable relationship with the other biological parent to be included in that if no one has a problem with it. I don't see a problem with it. So my wife's step dad and mom. Have you know he has kids and so my wife's mom is their step mom and they call her mom. And everybody's okay with it and there's not a problem there but i don't think they were forced to came about on its own now my stepdaughter. She's always called me shawny. She doesn't call me. Dad isn't call me stepdad. As she calls me shawny. And that's fine and it's got to be something that is comfortable for everybody so that that relationship can grow. Naturally you don't want to try to force anything it doesn't ever work. You've got to allow the child the opportunity to respectfully and safely talk about their feelings and what they're comfortable with. I know that sounds foreign because our children and the common belief is that they don't know what they're comfortable with and they don't know what they want and they don't know what's right and while this can be very true it doesn't hurt to bring the child into the conversation and get a feel for where they stand. It will certainly allow the child the option to open up their heart and mind to be more open to this person being in their lives. Especially when you're getting pushback from the child now this doesn't mean that the child caused the shots right. It just means that they're treated like a human being as they are and they're able to express what they're comfortable with and what they're really not you and your spouse can totally take it from there and having a private conversation between the both of you as to how much and what of what the child said you're willing to implement into your discussion in your own wishes parents. This actually creates a much deeper and better relationship between the stuck parent and child in the long run it allows them both to make the relationship their own special unique it also gives room for the step parent and the child to make their own special names for for each other as sean had mentioned and find places in their hearts for one another and set of sporting something on them. That doesn't feel comfortable or right or either and often. If you allow this to happen naturally the relationship becomes closer more bonded. It's more organic and and more deeper than it could have been any other way. You're doing yourself a disservice by trying to force something and so shaun talked about the other biological parents and so we're going to kind of jump in on that. Because i is really an important part of being a step parent is where you're at twitter. The other mom or dad essentially you're the third wheel. It really really sucks. And i don't think a lot of people really want to omit to that fact but the truth is that you are and you have to understand too. There is a sense of possession over your child and no matter. How healthy of person you are. There's always going to be a little bit of jealousy a little bit of anger a little bit of resentment especially if the marriage didn't end on their terms and it wasn't something they wanted in now here this person is pretty much quote unquote taking their place. So being respectful of the other parent is going to really open up doors. Not just for you and your spouse for and the child and you'd be surprised if if you can create a very well balanced healthy friendship. What the other parent. You just might find that you've found a friend yourself. Maybe not a close friend that you go hang out and have beers with but maybe somebody that you can talk to when you're having trouble with the child will step in here because i think As far as our family goes we have a pretty unique situation so jess and i and her daughters biological father. We all have a very amicable relationship. There's no animosity between the three of us Jess's marriage didn't exactly end on good terms but they remain. They were able to remain friends and him. And i have a pretty good relationship When it comes to parenting the kids and having to make decisions and you know. I think that's a unique situation in this day and age. That's usually the other way round. And i can speak on that too because i've experienced it. The other way round is the child and my parents had a real nasty divorce. And there was a lot of animosity especially between from my mom towards my dad and from my mom towards my step mom and that led to a lot of animosity projected from her threw me towards my step. Mom led to a lot of problems that took years and years to resolve. I love her to death. Now my step mom But if you can have that amicable relationship and it doesn't need to be friendly where we're all going to the fair together like our family is but if you can at least communicate with the other parent and all get on the same page. It's infinitely better for the child infinitely better because it causes so much inner turmoil for that child seeing the parents fighting feeling like the cause of it hating the step parent not wanting to hate the stepparent hearing vitriol from one parent about the other. It's it can take it apart. And it's very true. And sean said he speaks on that as a child who came from that kind of environment so he first hand knows the the push pull filling of being in a situation like that and i don't know my speaking for you when i say that that was pretty traumatic. It was very traumatic. And don't get me wrong. Doesn't mean i don't get pissed off at her ex husband and that there are arguments and fights but we have very good communication and we at least are all on the same page and no matter. What's happening we can always come to an agreement and it's it's a blessing for its blessing for our daughter that we can all get along. This is alone a game changer. For everyone it really is so try and find ways to to create this relationship with the other parents. You don't have to be best friends with them right. Just need to be able to communicate and come to an understanding exactly so speaking of of game changers. Let's talk about looking for ways to connect with a child which is not something that people typically think of when they think of being a step parent in some shape or form we kinda just think that the blocks lay where they lay. And there's nothing we can do about it. And i'm married to the the other parents so it is what it is. That's not. that's not how it should go. You took the time to will your partner. You took the time to find a connection with them and believe it or not. You're kind of. I don't wanna see marrying the child but you've got to find a connection and find a way to platonic the child to write. Find your common interest in where you can connect. Yeah you don't need to make it weird with doing everything. But of course the words so i asked him permission to marry you man. I dance with her at our wedding. And i try to find ways to connect to all the time in the number one way. Hello this is gonna come as such a shocker. To everybody the number one way ready. Are you ready for this. The number one way to connect with the child is the same number one way to connect with anyone. Sit down and talk to them and listen to them. Do less of the talking and more of the listening when you when you when you can make that child feel like you're getting to know them and you care about them and their interests and their struggles and their anguish and their joy and their interests and might have said interests already. That's how you connect with them. And i do that a lot with our daughter even though she might not realize it but it even comes through and she'll mention something even my wife will say. Oh i didn't know that about you. And i'll be like yeah. She da da. How do you know that honey. I listened to her. That's how so like to talk. They like to talk about themselves and they love it when people listen to them. Yes and it really does build. Trust and love an bonding relationship. And it's truly going to be the pivotal point for the both of you. Finding ways that you can accomplish this with your stepchild is really important to how the child connects with you and it makes parenting them a whole lot. easier Finding activities common interests like sean had mentioned hobbies that the two of you can do maybe take them to run errands with you and stop for ice cream and make it a new tradition for the two of even if it's just sitting and talking to them like sean mentioned really getting to know them and then to get to know you as well. I mean really. Children are just like little adults in the sense that they have their own personalities their own interest their own dislikes. And you might learn that. That little kid has a quite a bit adapt to them. This is quite possibly one of the most important things that you could do for your marriage and your relationship with the child so this isn't to say that pushback is never going to be a factor with the child. No matter how close you are or how good the relationship. It is innate biological not personal. It's going to happen especially if they're a teenage girl. Yes no fence ladies stepping back in these moments instead of facing it head on like a ram and forcing some parental and authoritative figure over. The challenge will save you the children and you and your spouse from sony arguments and it really helps to keep the environment and the dynamics safe and calm here's your takeaway right here. Something easy to remember when there's pushback if you're the step parent you need to step back echo lake that we should monetize that we should So don't get caught up in your expectations. We've talked about this a lot on the show. Don't get caught up in your hopes in your dreams and your ideals of what you think that this relationship with the child's gonna look like those aren't real and it'll set you and everyone else happened. That family for failure accept what is and work towards healthy communication around the home. Between you and your spouse in you when the kids allow things to take place organically and don't force it. It may seem hard and like it'll take forever but it will happen and it'll take place in the way that it was meant to be and maybe just not the way that you hoped or wished for but it'll be beautiful in its own way for the stepparent remember. You're a person and so are the children. Sometimes we just don't like people. We are all in fact people with opinions and some people do. Rub us the wrong way. Maybe it's personal. Maybe it's not but either way you have to allow for the chance that you may never be accepted the way that you had hoped for there are still ways to live in peace in your home in those kinds of circumstances and chances are if you respect that no matter how hard it is or how much it hurts your chances of changing their mind become much better instead of doing it the other way and forcing something on them and remember it's not about you it's about what's best for the child usually usually most of the time exactly so you know the last point that i want to make is when it comes to you in your spouse if you're stepparent coming into the situation and i know sean touched on it early on in this but i kind of wanted to dive in a little bit. Deeper is criticizing your spouse their parenting and their parenting choices. That's not your place year. Wow would you like to add something to that. No i think you're absolutely right and you know just to bring back before she rips my head off here. I don't talk about differences in parenting in front of the kids. Stop whatever you're doing if there's a disagreement to stop whatever you're doing talking about go somewhere where the kids aren't talk it over then come back and present a united front. Don't do that me against you against them kind of thing if if you have a step child whose resentful for whatever reason They're going to take that and think that they can. Oh now it's me and mom and dad the one that i'm resentful for and we can gang up on him and that'll deflate stepparent and make them feel left out and hurt and you it can happen. The other way around to the child can feel ganged up on your discussing stuff like that in front of them. And i mean frankly. They don't have they don't have any place hearing about it. They don't have a say in it per se. That sounds kind of harsh but just talk about it away from him. Come back and and presented as both your idea. Both both of you were doing it. Yeah one of you might have to swallow pride in it. You know be united being exactly he it. You can't really implementing your own ideas or criticize one another. You guys need to find a way to to be on one and the same especially in front of the children Because you can lose. The child could lose respect for one or both parents when you both are are so divided on on anything a topic a situation a circumstance. What have you And that's why even though maybe you don't agree you need to to come. You need to act like you are in need to say face so and being supportive and helpful it. It's not the same as being critical so offering suggestions and tips is perfectly okay. Hey as long as you don't step on one another's toes We need to allow each person to have their own respect Everyone's going to have different parenting styles. And just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean that you get to change it as being someone looking at the situation from another angle. There are definitely things that you're going to see that could be improved on your spouse's end. And maybe they didn't even realize it but again. This isn't being critical. This is what having a life partner is about is helping us be better. people better. parents better workers better lovers be open to hearing to listening and truly understanding what the other person has to say. And you might find that are areas that you can improve on so takeaways communication. Step back when you need to. Don't try to force anything Listened bond with the child but don't try to force the bond don't force it except what is if it's just you're never going to be able to bond with the child accept it and just keep doing what you need to do to keep the child safe parenting in general especially step. Parenting is one of the most frustrating things in life that you can do and one of the most rewarding things in life that you can do and remember in those really trying times where you're feeling beaten down and you feel like you're not getting anywhere and you feel it inside. You just want him to listen to you. Just want him to do something different. And they're not they're not remember that there's probably gonna come a point whether you're the parent or the step parents sometime in the future and it might be decades from now where they're gonna come to you and they're gonna look at you and they're going to say thank you and in those most trying moments that's what i that's what i hold onto and that's what i think about and they might not realize it now but at some point they're going to come back and thank you if you're doing the right thing if you're not any need to get out I hope you guys enjoyed the show today. Please don't forget to subscribe to the podcast. So that you get alerts when we upload another show and as i said at the beginning of the podcast please don't hesitate to ask me questions or let me know if there's a topic you'd like to hear more about our website is. Www dot confident marriage dot com. You can follow us on social media facebook at the competent marriage twitter. The see marriage show an instagram at confident marriage. Now i'm going to come in and hijack it again so there's kind of an elephant in the room that we didn't talk about been awhile since you've heard from both of us and like hello. We're in the middle of. Let's let's go over twenty twenty and a glance right now we're in the middle of a pandemic there's been wildfires. All we live in california the whole state to a crisp. we've got hurricane after hurricane battering the gulf coast. We had one of the most contentious crazy presidential elections of all time. It's all summer long. The country's in turmoil people are in turmoil stuck at home. The kids that kids are not in school. I'm it hit home for us. It's hit home for us a couple times. I'm even right now on the tail end of a fourteen day quarantine because someone at my At my work. Tested positive for coronavirus. And i worked pretty much within two feet of them for a whole day before we found out he was positive. I'm thankfully negative but It's hit everybody. Don't hesitate if you need help whether it's with marriage or with anything or you just need someone to talk to to reach out to jessica. Because she really can help. She's been through almost all of it and we just wanna wish everybody well. It's going to be over at some point but we wish you all health and safety out there thank you for listening. Stay healthy and well. Strict took do good.

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Shopping For Going Out Clothes at Age 37

Does This Happen to You

06:49 min | 1 year ago

Shopping For Going Out Clothes at Age 37

"Hi. I'm Chris Kepler and welcome to desist assist happened to you. I'm an actor voice actor audiobook narrator and writer. I love telling sharing stories about the strange experiences. My friends friends that I have while doing mundane things like grocery shopping. That's why this podcast features funny stories from fantastic writers about our daily L. E. anomalies a micro audio book about life and befuddle men. Just for you our story. This week is from Shawny silver. Who you'll find wind on medium DOT COM and here is shopping for going out close at age? Thirty seven a scary story to tell in the dark back in ten days time. I'm going to New Orleans to visit two of my dearest girlfriends. We haven't been in the same room together since Obama's first term. This is a big deal a couple of weeks ago one of them texted and asked me how I feel about having having a night in New Orleans. She is my best friend. She knows me well enough to understand that my strong itinerary preference prince is Popeye's chicken on her couch while we facebook stock. Everyone from law school. She knows what she's asking of me. Of course I'm down for a night in New Orleans who wouldn't be in the era of shared ride APPs really have no reason to turn down a a little revelry. I have enough time to mentally prepare myself since day awake past midnight and I have a genuine love of the off Bourbon in St offerings in this town. Let's do this my one true concern wardrobe. I don't own going out close anymore because I do not partake in going out. I don't go to places with lines out front and if I have to scream to communicate I leave. Save the fun I enjoy as a thirty-seven-year-old adult typically happens during the day and I can tell you I enjoy it and save a lot more than I ever did. During the era of my life will quietly call body glitter but I refused to lead an unbalanced unbalanced. Life that only consists of leggings and I- delight inexperienced wonderful places likely to lead to excellent photos. I am jumping into this three sheets to the wind experience. Despite the fact that I'd rather be home wrapped in three sheets so I took to the Internet in order to outfit myself was something suitable for nighttime merriment reader. I screamed admittedly. It's been awhile since I let my FA- Lange's wonder into these e commerce categories but good Lord. I didn't think I'd been in out of the game so long. That actual clothing had gone out of fashion. I didn't recognize any of the garments. I saw and I certainly he didn't know how to ingress or Egress a single. One of them are we- wearing lingerie out of doors. Now is that what's happening not to sound too much like the women in my grandmother's Thursday afternoon Magellan Group but put some clothes on. I just want to to go to dinner and a bartenders in this cocktail bar or two. I don't also want to lose an extremity to the wiles of winter. You're also why is everything tight. Why is everything a bodysuit? I'm not swimming the channel. I'm ordering a young a Pinot Noir. I'm looking through scores of items typically worn by a dominatrix while being paid handsomely for her work and and I simply can't feel confident about my ability to exit a lift in any one of them whereas my solace I ask you. I can't take myself seriously in clothing. That looks like the dog ate half of it nor am I ready to shop. It stores reserved for the ladies who monitor standardized testing. I don't know where I belong or what to wear when I get there. And I feel adrift in a Sea of very restricting and and difficult to care for fabrics in the end I know all go with a deep V.. Black Henley high waisted gene black good evening bag on a gold chain any chunky. He'll suck boot Wing my eyeliner and dry shampoo my hair and hope to heaven. And there's been time for a nap that day because all of these things are what. Make me feel comfortable. And if I'm not comfortable then there will never be a night anywhere that I'll be able to enjoy and that's what you know when you're thirty seven that never crossed your mind. Ten Years Prior no matter how much your feet hurt while wearing address. That didn't allow you to sit down. Oh yes I had my time. Don't wait for me. He if you're still in the phase of your life that requires double stick tape. I applaud you. I was you once. I don't regret that time and I'm not sad about progressing to this time. I just wish there was one retailer who grown up with me. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to spend my day making soup editing. My podcast in reading a book. And if you're spending yours removing hand stamps and wrist spans and frantically retracing the steps of your debit card. That's fine too because I bet you all the high heels on the high street that no matter what sort of a night we each had on this Sunday morning. We're all wearing the same thing. Thanks so much for listening. If you enjoyed the story let me know and share it with your friends. Follow me at Kris K.. K. Aria on twitter or or Kris K. Kepler on facebook or check out my website W._w._w.. Dot Chris Kepler DOT COM.

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 Coming of age in the era of climate crisis w/ Varshini Prakash

Superman's Not Coming with Erin Brockovich

35:47 min | 4 months ago

Coming of age in the era of climate crisis w/ Varshini Prakash

"Thank you for listening to this podcast wine production L. available on Apple Podcasts I. Guess One spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. So one of the Great. Of the past few months has been all the amazing young people, but I've been able to speak with too often. millennials have been cast as an apathetic participation trophy generation Oh my Gosh Var Shawnee. I'm sure I'm sure you're smiling over that one and today's gassed is verse Johnny for cash is all the proof you will need that this characterization as been misguided. The Passion of environmental leaders like verse Shawny is giving Me Hope. Yes. Hope for the future because of what they are doing in the present. I. Johnny Leads The Sunrise Movement an organization whose goal is to elect leaders who will tackle climate change sunrises best known for INS outside Speaker Pelosi's office where they demanded action on the green new deal. Alexandria cost Cortez another young later today join them. For Shani's new book winning the Green New Deal why we must have we can a collection of essays from leaders experts championing the green new deal is recently out from Simon and Schuster. If change is going to come is going to be because of climate fighters like for Shawny, who recognize Superman is it coming? So we better get busy. Johnny. Thank. You for being here today and welcome. To Superman not coming. Thank you for having me. Erin. At this such a distinct on her pleasure to be talking to you I feel like. You were one of the people that inspired me to get into the to begin with so. It feel I have one of the old original founders. It feels really wild to be talking to you right now. Well I can't thank you. I'm so excited to have you on just WanNa share with everyone in your beauty just. It just shines through looking at you and it's so so wonderful. Thank you from being shittier. So I know we're going to have a ton of things to talk about I have a gift of Gab. Go on forever especially when I'm excited to have you. Can you tell us about Sunrise Movement Yeah. So Sunrise Movement I mean. You said at the beginning, we are a movement of young people that are fed up with our politicians kicking the can down the road on climate and failing to act. We have known about the climate crisis for literally twice as long as I have been alive on this planet and for just as long and we have seen the political establishment failed to take the kind of dramatic and urgent action necessary. So what summarize is all about is taking that frustration the anger. But also the hope and the readiness for action of so many young people do have today millennials Gen Z. and transforming that into political action. So we really see sunrises as a political vehicle for change for young people in America today. So I'm so glad to hear all it as a I I hear and I feel I I see your passion and. I I've been doing this for twenty years and this isn't something that just showed up. This has been a process. If you will of politicians kicking, the can down the road. I've often talked about we were comfortable and I not I don't want to stay in place but there was maybe a false illusion that it was being taken care of ran. There's a moment where we're waking up and. And it is the next Gen what? I've always said people are visual and I think is it because we're now really seeing the effects? That were getting active involved. Yeah. I think there's a few different things one absolutely right. Like we are watching our country ablaze in fires. I'm getting letters from friends in Denver. Colorado. Who are saying I'm writing this you for my myself made bunker I'm getting my God. You know I'm calls for help from our local chapters in Cedar Rapids Iowa? Who are saying? Bombers, livelihoods are devastated because of history show that just tore through. I'm I'm talking to communities in the Gulf south were saying we haven't seen double header storm like this man who are telling me about communities in southwest Louisiana who are in the storm's who were in the storm's path and also facing some of the worst code rates in the country and so I think people are witnessing the crisis in in full relief. An and kind of thinking to themselves. Wow. If this is what is happening in our country in twenty twenty can you imagine what it would look like? Just five ten, fifteen years in the future and waking up to the reality that the time to act is now. I think the other piece of it is that you know young people we have always been the climate generation. One of the defining moments of my young life was watching Hurricane Katrina absolutely devastate. New Orleans and the surrounding Gulf coast. Area. And I think you know at that time and and the years following I was. Waking Up to the reality of environmental degradation and pollution and climate change and I remember thinking when I was fourteen years old learning about climate change in my science class and thinking Oh they're saying we have twenty twenty to figure things out I am sure that. Adult. Som- responsible adults will take care of matter before you know twenty twenty comes around. And you know a decade passes and we find ourselves realizing like there are no adults in the room. There are no sort of. Leadership figures that are leading the way on this issue in a way that is going to prevent generation from happening to face the worst of a- careening you know careening towards climate catastrophe. And that's a lot of impetus for creating summarize I think was realizing. Wow, this generation. We need a way to speak for ourselves and we need a way for young people to actually have power in this country and work alongside in an intergenerational way with lots of other activists as well. You know. How sad to hear you know there is no adult in the room. Dawn and You Erin. I'm definitely not talking about you just saying we were looking at, you know Mitch McConnell and being like Oh. My God. This is our political leadership. And I agree with you and I'm so glad that you said that because I watch now see now here's the reversal I feel like I'm dealing with my five and six year old granddaughters in a fight. So I mean where have we not come and why haven't we got there In my book Superman, not coming at I, say whatever your cause is. You have to have tools and organization to know how to fights and you've done that. So how big has the organization become and is? You know I, WanNa share with people because you know numbers matter and joining the collective matters and it becomes bigger and bigger. Yeah? Yeah. So everything that has been built with sunrise was built in the last. Three years I'm we launched in the summer of two thousand seventeen with a pretty simple mission which was just to make climate justice that was rooted in racial and Economic Equity a priority in America for the first time in our nation's history. And through that process, we started out at recruiting and training young organizers we helped. Catalyze direct actions and civil disobedience that actually. Got The urgency of the climate crisis into the media and into the immediate conversation that people were having in their living rooms about. The issues that of of up today and so from that moment when we launched with zero chapters, just you know me and eight of my friends really who The Angel and he six, we now have I mean over you know three hundred or four hundred chapters across the country that are kind of self organized formations of young people apart of sunrise and were active in. Almost every single state in the country and we've been able to pull off. We probably have somewhere around fifteen to twenty thousand active members. We've been able to train tens of thousands of people both offline and online. In Political Education in. Grassroots organizing like how just absolutely ordinary people like there was nothing special about me when I joined the movement aside from a burning desire to make the world, a better place and. How do we find the young people like that and skill them up to go from? You know I'm concerned about the climate crisis to I'm actually going to be a leader and bringing other people into the movement. And growing the Movement for months and years to come. So it's has absolutely exploded and you know we just. delivered. A pretty huge victory alongside Ed Markey in Massachusetts, and you know over the just the span of that campaign, we went from having eighteen chapters. Massachusetts. Having over forty five and we were able to make. To over two hundred, thousand phone calls to voters. And that's just One race. We've been. We've been able to do that in Jamal Bowman's race in New York. Did it for Murray new men. We did it for. A number of different candidates all across the country, huge champion, progressive values and are not just going to vote. On the issues but are actually going to stick their neck out and take risks on behalf of all of us. To ensure that we are able to pass the kind of legislation, we need to protect people's livelihoods for for generations to come. You know. This is all about courage and you've had the courage and I found the courage I know where I found it from and I you're doing exactly what would I do in communities? And why they don't always have the courage to speak up I'm watching mom's on the rise. In environmental issues across this country who didn't always speak got because they were pushed back on you know what do you know I mean it's happened to me what are you know? You're not a doctor a lawyer signed his should we listened to you and it's like I'm GonNa to be human and to tell you two hundred frog green waters messed up and I didn't monitoring a place right I don't have to be anything but to be a mom to tell you my kid is there something is wrong. For Your Organization for. America for those that is, sometimes it's hard to put your courage into action because you get pushed back on. Have you experienced that in? How do you encourage next generation? America to find that courage yeah. I mean to me need always came down to. Deeply holding in my heart and threw everything. Who I am fighting for and what I am fighting for. And before I was aware of all the destruction of the world and the pollution and the damage and the harm and the violence. I fell in love with the beauty of it. Right. I fell in love with trees and mucking around and lakes and and spending time in my backyard and loving animals and and I'm you know I I fell in love with nature at What we call quote unquote the environment, which is basically everything around us that sustains us and gives us life. And I. Thought about the people who mattered the most to me my mom, my family in India? Where the climate crisis is already wreaking havoc I got about my brother in the kind of world that I want him to be able to grow up and. I thought about all of the kids I meet and talk to on a daily basis and. It is really scary. I get a lot of pushback I. Get you know I. Don't read my mentioned on twitter. It's just not. To me. But I think being so grounded in your steak and being so grounded in what you are fighting for. Is the north. Star is the guiding light in everything that we do and if you can commute if you can. If you can dig deep and really understand that for yourself and understanding for the sake of what am I fighting? It makes everything else that much clear. and. That doesn't mean that the fear isn't there were the. The. I still contend with the anxiety or the fear on a daily basis but I think what allows me to triumph over it or move through it or process it is understanding of the love that's on the other side. And I think that's essential for for every person that wants to take up the cost. Right, that's I agree with you a hundred percent and I I've Oh my gosh you know I'm an old lady here at sixty. I've been talking about that for twenty years. It's about finding ourselves again is about believing in ourselves again and I I I've learned that lesson is young age because I'm a dyslexic I've learned through divorce I've I've learned out there in a community there's all these ideas of labels and judgment and perceptions and putting people in a in a box and we've lost ourselves. We've gotten disconnected from ourselves so to find the moment to find yourself. is where things change and that courage resides and I've learned that it's embracing and being honest that you're afraid. That you're on certain, and oftentimes we don't want to be the first one to put her hands up in a classroom and ask a question because everyone says you're silly or that was stupid, right? Yeah. Who Carers and I think that first step that you can take and and you clearly have. You own it. You. It is rooted in your guts. It's guttural and that becomes your driving force. Absolutely. Yeah I think. You're just you're amaze me I. I do want to ask you know i. told YOU HAVE THE GIFT of Gab I'll be all over the past. So excited to have you on. Your new book winning the Green New Deal is full of ways to bring about green new deals and let's talk about that a little because you know I hear people say, Oh, the green new deal and I know we're going to get pushback from companies and industry that this is going to create no jobs or we're just gonNA fall apart because of it how do you feel about that and what is the first thing on the list? Yeah needs to be tackled. Yeah. I mean. A lot of people. There's there's a lot of confusion out there in large part because of the information that you just named about what the green meal is but ultimately how we understand the new deal. Is the package of solutions. To, the climate crisis that are actually at the scale of the crisis and that leave no person behind. And so the first piece of this is. You know this isn't about a vision a this isn't about for you know for so long talked about the climate crisis in terms of taxes and and putative. That mean that we're GONNA have to change our lifestyle in in in some kind of really detrimental way. The green you deal is about saying we can collectively gather to stop the greatest existential threat of our lifetimes and it's going to benefit our communities collectively. This is about saying I'M We are going to create tens of millions of jobs decarbonising our economy, and they are going to be good jobs. They are going to have benefits. They are going to have high wages that are family sustaining they going to have access to a union. Degree deal is about ensuring that clean air and clean water and and a livable land are. Inherit human rights for every person on the planet not just the ones that can pay their way. The green deal is about. Ensuring that we have adequate public transportation fast renewable. Reliable public transportation. About ensuring that, we have clean affordable housing. So it, you know it is virtually when we think about what we have to do to tackle the climate crisis, it is about changing everything about the way, our economy functions and how we get and use our energy. And so it is a transformation, two words economy that is far more. Renewable and sustainable across virtually every sector, right? Whether it's agriculture or power sector or water, or transportation, and so on and so forth. Manufacturing. And the first piece of this I think is. We currently are in the midst of a crisis. There are tens of millions of people who are unemployed because of this pandemic and at the same time. We the climate crisis is reaching fever pitch. We have an opportunity if if someone like Joe Biden is elected to office to pass a one of the most ambitious green jobs and infrastructure plans of the twenty first century. And we have the ability to both employed millions and millions of people in that process to tackle the climate crisis as a result and reduce racial disparity by employing people of Color and low income folks in those jobs a radical legacy pollution as part of that program. And and generally improving quality of life for the most marginalized among us. So I think that's the first step and I think it is like I've. Already has that in his plans, you already has that in his plans because of the movement energy over the last few years. So now what we've gotTa do is we have to have it on stoppable force of movement power of everyday people that are going to be willing to stand up and say, yes, Joe Biden, and this is the vision that we want. We're GONNA push you even more ambitious and we're going to ensure that industry and you know the politicians that are kind of in the pockets of of of big oil are not able to stop us. We I'm so fascinated listening to you when I think one of the first thing they have to say is you definitely have the power of stick to of NECE. I grew up with this word from my mom and stick to it in a show is told me life is GonNa require that you have it? We're not born with it that you have to develop it and the habit of purser during even when you don't want to and it would be easier to give A. Definition. Of stick to Business Noun propensity to follow through in a determined manner out dogged persistence born of obligation and stubborn. On Are you? One of the greatest compliments you could ever give me I'm just thrilled. Thank you. I hear that from you and that is what it's going to take and so. You're you're just amazing and listening to you and enthusiasm. It does give me help and it about bringing in the collective at listen I. have to go here with you people people will ask me this but I really soon you do do you see yourself running for office? It is definitely a possibility. It's definitely in the cards I it kind of depends. It is less about it is it has never been about personal ambition for me is about what is the greatest need for the movement at that time, and if need for the movement is for me to be an office and for us to have more people. Who are governing on this set of values than I am very much willing to consider it if if if if what the movement needs of me is to lead be leading the charge on the outside I'm there as well. So. I'm I'm I'm ready and I am ready willing and attention. Of Nurse, on board yes in. What I love about the two of missing is it's also what's required of us on a societal level right and a lot of people are like, well, you know you guys did that action two years ago midst voice's Office, and now it seems like things have changed and maybe you know the green new deal in hitting every headline ever like it did in that the week following that that action. But I think you know we're going to have to do this repetitively years After year after year we I mean if you look at what allowed for some of the policies associated with the new deal, it was like thousands of strikes by trade unionists. It. With, for Nixon to pass. The. Clean. Air Act Clean Water Act the Endangered Species Act there were twenty million people in the streets on Earth Day for the first Earth Day in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, we're gonNA need social mobilization. And Direct Action unparalleled for anything that we have seen before and so it's taking this personal stick to it but we've got applied on a societal level and essentially say as a movement refused to give up until we get the future that we so deserve as young people but also just as people who are existing on this planet and seeing it just thrown. into chaos. Will end you're absolutely right and that is the one thing that we need is that repetitive. Motion and I think of it like a super bowl game and come into the game and you're going to get pushed around and pushed on young and you pick the ball up and you're really excited. Could you rush twenty yards but span you get knocked down here's the thing. Don't stay down there. Counting on you staying down kick the ball back up you might get. Pushed back, five yards get knocked down, pick that ball you might rush fifty yards. So I visualize it that way, and that is what it takes. Is that persistence that determination and that repetitive over and over again to get that message out island that's formidable and you don't go away you know I talk with you forever and so I'll try to wind down here up. There's this idea that. I. Believe we've been doing things aspect words. We need to do infrastructure safety and people i. And there's this idea with companies or industry that if you do that I, there's no profitability in there. So they take the profit on the upfront and at the end of the line here, the people pay the environment pays, and then they're upset because they've been sued for billions and billions of dollars. Why we put chemicals into the marketplace I without demanding a five to seven years studied to show what it does where we even put it into the marketplace now. So I think there's a real shift that has to happen in. We're we're stuck on an idea. But putting safety and infrastructure and people. I Is the best way to go and. How do you perceive getting companies to finally realize? You're doing it Iran way it's a new business model, and there's is such room for reform of antiquated laws reform antiquated policies that we have to make those changes to move into the future. Geno it's a great question, I mean. We actually talked about this a little bit in in the book but I actually think it requires. Essentially a realignment of the. Values that kind of govern American society right now and Over the last forty years kind of starting with with with Reagan we saw the value system of. you know basically like the deregulation of industry of disinvestment in the public, sector? We saw kind of you know and and with that the rise of rampant wealth inequality. And the ballooning of the climate crisis the ballooning of the prison population. We've really seen this this economic system that kind of creates winners and losers and. puts the onus on individuals and says, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And that has been a really toxic message in it's been a really toxic system by which are. Our policies have been derived and we have governed in in a way that has been anti federal. What is actually good for the average person living in America and particularly for marginalized communities and so I think we need. Essentially what we call a realignment where we have movements, we have academia, we have businesses and institutions. We have all of these we are politicians. Unions, we have all of these forces. I'm moving towards a new set of values that are based in dignity and a quality and justice for all people regardless of what you look like or the color of your skin or where you live or your political affiliation or how much money you have. And that is a process I think that has to come from the bottom up and I think that many of the people who lead these major institutions whether it's in politics industry or whatnot are oftentimes extremely responsive to public will. And if very much jerry people actually lead the way we find that the the so-called liters of of our country are more often than not responsive to the to the calls. To action by everyday people and so I think that is the greatest reason why if you've been, you know sort of on the fence about joining a movement or you've been am. Unsure if you're the the one to two. Sorry, if you've been unsure if you're the one to take. To take action like we need you in the fight because. I think ordinary people are the true leaders in this country and absolutely oftentimes it's the people in power that are following. What we are calling upon society, how we are calling upon society to change. That is absent. You're one, hundred percent spot on and. The last question will ask you and again I could talk to you all day. Yes. What do you say to members of my generation who questioned young people? Like you and Greta. And others who are stepping up honestly. For my generation not me I don't question I'm all about I told you. Passed the Olympic torch and and my whole career has been towards. Passing that torch that courage that message stick to Tunis to the next generation it's really hard though for. Those who are the leaders in the? Older Generations Una note to pass it on what do you say to them? I think we often get this critique. I don't think it's from. Everyone. But we get a very familiar critique to me is. You know the things you're calling for art impractical. They are naive that you think we could do this. It's unrealistic. And I would say. You know we have like tens of thousands of the world's best scientists telling us we have little. Less than a decade to transform the entire economy of our country towards renewable energy economy. And that is a transition so big for an economy. So large has never happened before in history, and maybe it is a little audacious to say that it must be done. But it must be done if we want to save literally hundreds of millions of lives that are going to be adversely affected by this crisis. So to me. We have no idea what is actually politically possible in this nation. The only choice that we have is to call for what is necessary to fight like hell to make it possible. And in doing so we make things possible that we never deemed or dreamed would be a reality ever before and that has happened. I can say it's from personal experience. I had no idea. The green new deal would be what it is today when we started this movement literally three years ago but it is because we dreamed at intent existence and we've thought like hell to make impossible. by would ask the older generation. Link arms with us, let's dream together. Let. The vision of reality in and a world that doesn't exist today. Let's close the gap. Between the injustices of today and the the the laboratory possibilities of tomorrow. And I think you know we might not get it all in my lifetime, but we will come hell of a lot closer than we would if we just let the world continue. The way that it is. And that's what I really believe and I could not live with myself if I didn't fight every day. For what I believed was necessary and refuse to settle for what I believe is is within the confines of political reality. Bravo amazingly so well stated and I've always believed the baby boomers and next Gen America. We need to join forces. We were great great activists as are you and and rising and working together. That was beautifully stated thing. In your biggest fan I will work with you. I am so delighted we are in a race of a lifetime. We're at a fork in the road. And I couldn't be more excited at sunrise. The work you're doing message you're sending your stick to a that gives many of us. Hope. And thank you. It's just been such a pleasure i. really wish everyone concede just the the beauty delights in your spirit. Who you are because I'm English. And I let me tell you what I'm going to be run right Longside, Ya yes. Name thing to you. Erin. I am just honestly really honored to have been here and you are truly a personal hero of mine and really contributed to me believing that I could also may change in the world and so thank you for for all of the risks that you have taken all of the action that you have taken how many people you are inspiring and let let's link arms and And and You we're having. And together we go. I will watch with fascination at as you move forward and and know that I'm right here in the your biggest cheerleader and I do believe collectively we can do this and thank you for the hook off lands peration. Yes anytime. Take care. To Sarah Brockovich, you're listening to Super Man's not coming and we'll be right back. I. Hope Everyone enjoyed. The conversation with far Shawny. And the sunrise movement and the next Gen America and what they're doing. It was a fascinating conversation. Shawny. I am so proud of view and so helpful to see. Next Gen. America making the steps for climate change for cleaner water for a better environment because that is the core. Principle of which all of us survive and live by that you out there fighting force. Thank you so much for your time today I will be watching you and your power of stick to it of MS and knowing that Superman not coming but your here. Fantastic interview. Thank you I. Hope You all until.

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SurvivorAU Know-It-Oz | Benji Wilson Deep Dive

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SurvivorAU Know-It-Oz | Benji Wilson Deep Dive

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I feel like I have no idea because I reckon it's like Neely a year to the job that I was like speaking to yo Sista doing the exact same things. Welcome. Good to have another Wilson on the podcast. I'm slowly working through family. Excellent. We, my dad next as I think I met you at the finale he's absolute legend is the good guy veggie. Tell us how you feeling. It's right now. Everyone should be settling down to stop watching the newest episode of survivor, but it's all over. It's been about a week. Oh, so how you feeling now that it's all done. I feel great. Yeah. I mean, it's all done on she. I'm very over at the moment but excited to launch myself back into view one loss time. So this is your farewell to. It is my farewell tell you did the rounds and this is what I to to end with the big bang. So here we all I'm very, very on it very own. It does feel good because also like it just finished on TV couple of weeks ago, but like the actual survivor event finished full months ago now. So it's a very long time, but a good time we were talking about just before we started recording. He's that Benji more than others. You've been on this journey for two years, almost cause of analysts on know about any other place. But after our played in my season Ed, my family will over I was over at like you then launched back into with your application and then going through that process. So you really haven't come out of the bubble to us in a really long time. So I think you're weld in your rights to say over and you wanted to kind of take a break. So I'm glad I'm very glad that you gave us a chance to kind of chatted allow. Before you pulled the pin. Yeah, yeah, me too. Should be good also. Well, Iran, now I think the the listeners would love to be jealous to hear the sound of those waves are in the background. Necessarily thought I'm on the beach in Hawaii about fifty meters from the water, and I'm on a family holiday, which is being really cool, tomorrow's my last day for seven days with my nana's is a yearly Wilson retreat and we'd take my nanna. It's like a special thing. She looks forward to Olea and some of come on it and it's been really enjoyable. Well, you know, I think it'd be safe to say that that is a little bit nicer than the beach. You ended up in Fiji? Yes, a little bit, you know, when they bring your code coconuts with a straw. Rotten maggots inside the throw is Ken away from camp. Just by a little just a little bit. She's a little bit. Of so Benji I wanna get. We wanna go through your game because there's a lot to kind of cover, but I want to start from the very beginning because can you just explain your history with this show, like in terms of watching the show, just give us your background. Yeah, I think you'll appreciate this because I am. I've always been a huge fan of survival ever since you know the Richard hatch first season. I remember laying in my parents bed. What was it like two dozen one or something crazy like that. Watching the first season just I have no idea what's going on. My dad explained like why people leave and stuff. And from there we literally watched like every single season. I don't remember how we watched it. My dad probably tell her that in some immoral foam. He's perfect for these game. Exactly. And yeah, we watched every single season the US and then I heard it was coming out in jail, and I got so excited because I'm like, because I'm a confident guide enough to see from my game play very lucky. I'm a sweet. I'm gonna play and yes. So try that first season. Try that second season analyst got on. Exhibited pump for her. And I says, like, it's going to be next season. I'm going to being at the finale Messa we're announcing season three and I was just like, cool, that's, that's. That's my time to shine. And fortunately, I was lucky enough to get on season three in just being a fan. I was just like so surreal the whole time, and I just wanted to go out there and play big and do the opportunity Justice. I think he definitely did that. Man think he definitely be satisfied that criteria. It's crazy. I've never heard of someone. I've not heard of someone having applaud failed to get on and then getting on the season off to four straight allience survive. I feel like that's a pretty story. So perseverance pays off people. There are so many will. How they audit and get on the first season given up. So Benji you are the like you are the inspiration for? Yeah, knows it was cool because the first season I got. Not that far a couple of phases through the application process. And then second season nothing and I was actually thought it was going. It was my accent that was throwing it off. I'm like, oh, they don't want someone with a strange accent. 'cause I wanna make sure everyone's like fuzzy and then and then also Jericho who. Maybe I'm wrong with that. This is the play again in a win. Well, third time. Well, I didn't take your spot in the first season. Maybe probably. Did you probably. Okay. So let's talk a little bit about this analysts connection, and we end before he gets yoga, and we do have a lot of questions that came in. So this might be a good way just kind of clear that cleared up for a lot of the listeners. One of the questions that three was people wanted to know, how did it actually help you not about getting on the show they had to you out there having someone so close to you having gone through this recently? Was it a in? What was it a hindrance? It very well could have been hindered. So it's it's a very unique thing that happened in. It's almost hard to explain in a sense that it was very beneficial in a lot of ways in the sense that like one motivating me because like when you're out there and it's not easy like, oh, Annelies is being Hanley's pushed through this. This is done really well, and it was just super like comforting to know that. And I also kept asking people like who got voted out to exile island, like last season and just hearing people say, analysts's name was hilarious, jerk. Inside joke, but also once again, very comforting to have these people know analysts and know this person who's very important in close to me my life. So in that way, it was very motivating. Because it would have been this inside joke with you and let you could look at the producers, maybe. Him awake come up. Keep doing that. The office. The third wall. Yeah, I mean, strategically it also, but in the same sense that every season is so different. And if you take like a lot of advice before I went on there from a lot of people who I do respect and people have played the game before, but if you take as hot advice survivors such a flexible random game, and if you try and have this concrete structure that serve, rigid doesn't really apply to your season and you can go home based on those based on what you go into the game. So it was great as a foundation. Things like even like the weighting side of things like, you know, you've been out there. You have to wait a long time between actual challenges and tribal councils and stuff, and just being mentally ill logistics is very helpful. And yeah, it was definitely a definitely a benefit to have someone so close to me played before. Will you worried that once the show I found out that once the penny dropped that you would get booted off the show you'd get booted from the process. So. Yeah, fun story. Not sure if I'm to tell a story, but here we go. So I got on about a month before I was flying out, but when I got on the phone call, congratulations, you're on. I wasn't really excited because unlike I'm gonna get kicked off because they don't know that my sister. And I was just waiting for that phone call and it came week later and I picked up like it and she is everything to tell me. I'm like. Say you found out. It'd be waiting for this and they're like not happy with knee and and that's strike two or three really wants you on. So you stay on. I was just like, so prescient when I heard that because I'm like, okay, and that's when I, I like those like them invited me on. It was perfect too, because I mean, I did put in my original application just not in the interviews or in the group stuff. Which is what they said. Like we did check back and see that you put it day nam we looked over it. So you went technically Heidi. You're right that she was just. In the application says, Namie family members, and I did. I had a name. And that's as far as all went with it because it's played almost because unlike if they know how to family member, there's a lot of like Benji characters that they can easily sub into show. And I was like, if I have a sister out there, there's like cool was put. The person tells me once I said, we want you out there and then I found out it's much friction the replace me. So I think I think actually at that point once you have gotten had gotten so far, I think it was actually maybe a benefit and the fact that it showed your capacity to law and did, and I think that would have been impressed. But then in some sick way, I think that would've actually enjoyed. I agree with that and I gave her the strict one and it's like, don't you play survivor with us. Well, sorry, let me play. Come close. Last question about the analysts connection. Did you ever come close to actually slipping up out there and and letting it be nine that not only had you was your sister, but she applies of all that and that maybe you knew some of the other place from season two. No, never. No, never. What is pretty good. I was on my best behavior. Very, yeah. You know, it's not beneficial at all other things that less live at times beneficial business. This one's ice doesn't send you any way at all. So I even like grubby who went everything to monitor the idol. It's like, it's like, yeah, that doesn't benefit me at all. So it would have been hard like you Emily gripe imagine if someone had said something bad about and you'd have had to really tried to. How. Mean which one. Well, okay. Well, that's a lot of fans wanted to know about. So that's good. Let's dive into the actual season so you get out there and then you go to say you were so electric in the first five episodes. What what happened? It was the weirdest the weirdest yet. Again, we had a lot of questions about this that you know you weren't in the show for five or six episodes, and then you end up, we'd like the numb the most number of confessionals you are all over every episode, your running strategy, it was fantastic to watch. But if you had told me that that was going to happen at the end of season episode, five, I wouldn't have believed you what. Who is what happened? What happened? I don't know. I don't know me. Like you weren't part of the story at that point and it wasn't until later on that you were going to come in because a lot of people expected. Sorry, suspected that it was the shows have punishing you for the analysts. They know. Interesting. So yeah, when when I got back and started watching the show, I was like really appreciative of any screen time because it's on health. It'd be like, okay, yeah, I won't. I won't. My story told because it's twenty four stories always favored the victims. You know, like Shane star gets told really well, but monitor had a big story out there that didn't get seen at all. And I was like unprepared to not even be seen because I didn't play survive a Flynn, the TV side of it. I played club experience. And so if I ever says on like, hey, this is cool. Like I thought I was getting started a lot even though I didn't get it confessionals every time I came on like. Me Ingala waterslide. The gift that in it. So I was caught with the first six. Cool. I know I had a couple of big moves. I know I got he's and Teagan and ninety Raj is unlike Roby's a good looking dude, and they may just give those moves to him. But even in that sense, it's like. I didn't care. I didn't care what happened. And when I went out there, I, I. Laid low in a sense of strategy for the first couple of weeks because I nation, but it's every place of Streletz of governor there. I Russell hands, Matt, Dyson, even Stevie who was crawling around and confide was still alo-. Alo- is gonna go home. But I didn't. I mean, I also talked to very big game confessionals at that point, but I didn't do anything. If they showed any Mike investments that like what was talking about, he hasn't done anything that is like automate game. I'm running the game and just. Yeah, like Benji. What have you done. So it's sorta make sense that they didn't. And there's so many characters with twenty four people. I get the best two loss. So you mentioned confessionals. You talked basically you spoke a lot of smack, but like in a good TV where you've had the godfather thing. It king in queens of the contenders, the Mighty Ducks painting a masterpiece Benji. Can you come to my English class and teach my students how to use a metaphor. Jing out there. I'm a big fan of medicalised visual personnel earn in menopause, and I speak in metaphors. So they're handy tool and apparently that good for TV to all night, they, they really sucked them draw. I didn't like it. Did. I did come up with a new one and you hear like twelve times episode, God, I hate myself right. Great. So you mentioned before Teagan. So let's get to this kind of pretty big. This was your first big storyline and this was the whole Teagan thing you decide that you're going to get out Teagan she's the Queen, he's the king. What was it about Teagan that made you want to do that? And why did you come up with that lot. Yeah. So I'm going to go back a couple of votes because yes, so the motivation behind it. So we, we had a tot three me type, four muzak, Stevie, and Robbie. Antiguan and heath, and general who great move and go into Stevie who was really becoming like a clutch player for us for us. Boy is going to give us the numbers because it was. It wasn't too much of a girl boy dynamic, but you know, we had a tight four and four out of a Levin is pretty strong. So when I got rid of Stevie sorta like shocked me a little bit and like, oh God, it's like a slap to the face, like wick, bro. You're on survivor. This stuff's going to happen, and I was really fortunate to have that happen to me because it's like, okay, cool. Now I want to stop playing and then phosphor little bit to the Genevaux unlike cool man here to have fun. That's the number one reason about there is to enjoy myself and make big moves. You know, take advantage of this insane opportunity sound like time to make big moves and what happened. The Jenner vote. Everyone's like cool where voting advocates. Obviously she's injured and I thought I thought he once again was going to pull a false one and get rid Zach now award about that. And next saw. So again luck a little bit paranoid about like losing Zach. And then I'm just left with this is mean rubbing. We're probably next to go after that. And so like with Geno vote, I really had to just like hope that it wasn't gonna go that way. But as members sitting in trouble council being that coup this time to make like if I play and I was going to write Zack's name down and just be confused. So it was going to go over. It's jenex f. a. one on sack and a record like sorta pit tea and Zack up against each other, Ron and Essendon Chow counseling like doubted myself. And I was like, what? If this is not the vote and and it's a split vote and zachos because he won't vote or summit. Then I started having these terrible disempowering thoughts in my head. So I wrote down Jenas name and I went back to camp that nine just had so much regret because it's like a play to have fun. And here I am just following everyone else fall in the rules, and that's like not me so. After that is just so motivated to do something, you know, make it bigger. That's a respect back from myself because I really whipped off. And just the rest of the game was just like, okay, what are the cool big thing can do like game saying, I wasn't out there to win. That was out there just have fun and play. The sound like coup first big thing to do is get rid of the towel couple. He's in Teagan, and I mean, we're, we're losing the challenges and heaves a big dude. Sound like cool. Let's just Teagan and. We went off to Teague and happened to be a twist at that point in time which made my saviour returns that much more exciting. Look, you know, surely survivor. They love to say people, seventy s you'll you'll system or a self, like it's unfortunately, it was the person that you, you lied to get out, and it was absolutely like fantastic to watch then. Come back. So when she was she comes back there was that saying where Harran Haran Haitham lying in the show and you looked really worried, and I said that one of the things about your game is it seems that you are really good at lying, but when people confront you, you you look a little bit scared where you actually scared in that moment or were you kind of like, it's okay, I can. I can fix this now. I wasn't scared. We had a talk with heath and Teagan probably everyone was there publicly went for three hours year round. And it was it was twenty seconds on the show. As you know, like I think the underlying. I'm sure you understand this to to survivor. It doesn't matter really like the you tell the big moves you make is like it's just a social game. They just need the right pieces in the right place, and it doesn't matter what other people think of you. And I was like, cool. I know I can pin most of this back on Zach. Which would seem to work well and I, it doesn't really met on. It's going to basically pin this on on big on pause and. And the other thing is like what we have, shawnee and Fanilo we have me Robbie Zach, let's five and I'm not sure I was there nine at that point. Maybe page Teagan heath. We got the numbers like it doesn't matter what he's in teething and up stinking. And the whole point of that conversation was trying to just. Just docket. So happened while I can. No, I didn't have the target only up those conversations. The next was was heath and it was page and then Roby's name came up before me. So it's like I never actually felt the full heat that I should have. It was definitely was much more exciting having coming back and tribal knowing what was going on. So you mentioned Zack. Obviously, he is the lightning rod for controversy. He's opinions and things like that. Did you ever feel like, man, I'm going to be seen as guilty by association not by the audience that doesn't matter about that by like by the other players because he seemed like he was so highlighted by the gills. Did you ever feel like this is bad for me? And is that why you cut him in the end? What was your relation relationship with Zack in those last few days? Zac who really tied out that he was tied to Stevie. I was not concerned with people thinking about Morales was act would like Kumi onto with him in the sense that. I don't know. I, I guess I was very self aware about an bringing like, I just want to be associated everything that says, people who also close to me like shawnee vanilla. And obviously they don't always know and also like in the same way that Zach is incredible meet showed like pig, Billy polarizing guy who like rubs people the wrong way. Just five hundred his mouth. It's like a shawnee in Fennell. If we take, we're going to go so much further. It's only like aligning incentives in the way that I'm having a line Zak with the others. And only when sort of like that twist. Antiquing comes back and, hey, DJ is not having any of my my lies anymore. And shunning Fennell realize that they are now in the most powerful vision position in the game that is sort of when, okay, I sort of have to let go of this. The can't some polish guy. Nobody's really getting along well with that. Yeah. But yeah, I think it's interesting what you say about kind of luck, aligning incentives and stuff. I think that's definitely what you want to try and do and try and sell it. But like you said, you definitely have to cut by every once in a while and and you try and eventually do have to kind of cut by on page, here's well. Could you tell me a little bit about your relationship with page? And because it just seems so up and down. It seemed like she was with you guys, but she wasn't with the other guys and she wasn't with you either. And she was just kind of in-between. What was from your perspective about your relationship with patients. Yeah, pension relationships. Very interesting. Some of really good really well. My thoughts from the early days pages. She was very much a social butterfly floating between heath and Teagan floating over the strontium Fennell offloading, Evan and me, and Robbie, like she talked to everybody, you know, and room is got around from things that we were cleaning like overthrowing the Qing heath to back to back to the gills and back to heath. And we're like, where is the leak? And we assume that it was page. When turns out was general and we saw page compu- trusted at all. And there's a couple of small examples. Just info just leaking gun. I'm telling Robin page Ron. Rummy is not going to be like, I'm sure it's paid. Yeah, info keep getting leaked. So that's what made us really second guess page. And we wrote her name down because we trusted Stevie a lot more than her at that point in time and amazing blindsided by heath and tea and had made, and it's sticky situation, pages name, who did not see that common. They don't pretty close at and Stevie went home. What about close allies? So we had to really try and repair that relationship and pages. Also a name at that point in time was. Dragged through the mud by me and Robbie and and a couple of others because and like NATO is like alpha. Well, if they don't trust, why should we trust? And she sort of didn't really have anyone to tend to. So main Ravi is standing there with open arms then come on, come on with sorry. Hope you apologize. Yes, the mono ever have, but we definitely did did her duty at that time. Yeah. And she was just floating from then on in really. And what came down to the mayo her, like I choose. Well, around this time, he's also the time that you tell shawny about your job. So can you tell me first of all, there were so many questions Benji about what your job is and the books and stuff like that. Can you explain it a little bit? I before because then they can get more sense as to why you've told why just to tell shining crew. How far back should we go? Like what is what is your job? Like? You know, you said you're a millionare's this, what? What is it? What if you had to summarize it in one one couple of sentences? What would it be? Yeah, easy. So right now I do e commerce, so we help people create brands like for physical products. If you want to sell like soup plano's, you wanna sell microphones tablecloths. I'm just looking at things around looking around the road by headphones and laptop. Simulate. If you wanna create a brand and private label at said, put your own brand on, get it sourced in wherever you want saucy sauce in the US Austin China, and you create your own brand. We teach people to innovate on that brought. So if you're selling a soup, ladle ego through competitors with us. See that people wanna big soup ladle, say like, I'm going to function in my own big soup ladle that people want and sell it on Sherifi Amazon, Amazon, second biggest company world. Now there's cross a trillion dollars through two hundred thirty eight billion dollars of sales every single year, and it's not their products. They sell your products, four injure their customers. So basically I do that. I have about six or seven grands right now, and I've someone who runs at full me and we'd just growing those brands and I also teach it and you can find us on YouTube freedom formula. It's me and my business, Evan. And we teach people how to do this for themselves and make passive income, so they can travel the world, you know, spend more time with family and whatever it is they want to do in life. It's like they don't have to work a nine to five like most people do, which I give people like that option because I've been travelling the world for eight years just living off like different streams of passive income and and the book. Folks had books ghost-written because I'm a mock it. I really love marketing and I got hired to do someone's book marketing for them about four years ago when I five is year when I moved to Brazil, and I did really good for them and made them a lot of money. And I was like, God, I should do this myself, but I'm not a good writer. You probably on Nick. So I hide people who have been writing than me and then marketed their books on Amazon, and we had great success and made like. Grant money from that for about twelve months. And then I was teaching them how to do that. So I took the books down because I didn't really maintain them anymore. Babylon for about five years. The yes and now very, very interesting. Yeah, no, it's good, definitely unique, but definitely wouldn't interest gives you freedom, which is what I want. I don't like people telling me what to do. I was gonna say, I can't really imagine you let putting on a show until I coming coming to my work and well, I guess I could see a teaching kids actually. I think very, very good at teaching archaic. This is how we make money of soup ladles. Sweatshop. So why did you think it was a good job to tell him to a good idea to tell shiny about your income. And wasn't there. Yeah, I think it was great idea. Now. So Stephen comes back from exile, island looking, absolutely rabbit like she was out for blood. She she'd be negative three days. I started having feel sorry for, you know. And she came back and Anita told her what had to happen and everything. Okay. I have Robbie have, Zach. I need shawny because of with shawny comes vanilla. We have five over nine or eight. We got the numbers like, so as long as I go sonny's vote and mentioning how to hacked shoney's. Also, we had a alliance going from day to like we all because we're in the girls camp and the boys camp. It's like all of make sure your name size, chopping block commission minds as off. We need to check back in every now. And then one time she didn't believe me like Tony good. She's like whatever. Just giving us online. Sean tells me you good. But after that, like we had a very open dialogue. And after this thing happened with Teagan shoney's like, did you lie to me? So the thing I was like, cool. I need to repair this relationship because gives me the numbers and the pal. So I was like, Shona I didn't lie to you, but the have told you one line that's to be completely own a so myself too. I'm like, I know my life is in your hands right now. And I was like, I'm actually another graphic design of have a successful business online. And shoes, and she was like, okay, okay. And she's like, so. Sodas in as in, she wants to do. Tell us just like one of those soup ladle. Sodas, and she's like, get your news. I sell song. I'm like, okay, sweet. And from then, I'll like we just had a very strong transparent relationship where we watch each other's back and made sure each other. The safe in his name came up a lot and we looked out for each l. on that and it's very good to be honest, genuine, because I mean, even though I played quite a manipulative game, where lied a lot I did not. I didn't lie to like these people who I really needed, at least. Unless you need to start with something very genuine, you know, I'm sure you experienced that too. It's like people stupid like you need to stop from very genuine base and people really need to know who you are and it's not just what you save at. It's like what you spend your time doing, what he talking about with these people and you they need to understand, do you think they understand you? So they're not really scared of you. So being very transparent out there is helpful in I said, to Johnny like. I said to Johnny like, I don't need to win this money. And I, I, if I get on the jury, I'm going to vote for you and it's like coot once again, a lion, these incentives, she wants to take one of the end. It doesn't need the money or someone who's she can be like, this guy doesn't need money, juries like, yeah, he doesn't need the money. And that's China doesn't want me to go home because I have a successful job shot. He wants me to stay and take me to final two because I had a successful ago brought, so it'll make sense down before we get to the swap. That was one thing that had a lot of people talking and I think you know what it is. It's a little Mexican fiesta that you had a one person Mexican fierce it way you wolf into the nachos. Did you think Angleton it. Did you think that this would cause the uproar that it did because you on the radio gogo box so that like did you think that this would cause that uproar when you add it. A new, it'd be a good time forever. I didn't know. He's enjoyed himself. Now I didn't think it would. I mean, I didn't really see the uproar to. I don't not on social media that much. And I saw gogo box, but like I watch it that much, but I did hear as big and you know my interviews, everyone's like, what saw what the notches valley was big. Oh, speaking at walls, donors goddamn is a delicious. And it seemed like you the only one who saw the previous version season of survivor before you went out there. Like, did you how'd you watch like, did you watch seasons to prepare yourself and did not just happen to be one of them or how did you know it was in there? Yeah. What seasons I gonna play survive. I wanna watch survivor. So as soon as I went down as I wanted to get I because I was like going to get rid of that plate and tea and once again, she's very strong, very small woman. She, she outfox me got down at first and I was just fortunate that she didn't find it. But yeah, soon as I went down there. I mean, the nachos, pulling me in. Steve into them. And I was just like we found the cleared, honestly, Nick, it took me like. Hobie eight. We had a ten minute time slot, and I'd like to say that was probably the most efficient use of the. I found the anyone would do that. Found the clear within about eight seconds and did not take in any of those words that it was written done till eight minutes when they laid is like you have two minutes left and like, oh God, I have to actually try and memorize just because also transfixed by that food, it was twenty three days of that anything, but rice and beans. So. The last two minutes are still eaten us, cushion, pass that wall. But I remember as I always tried that. The the general consensus on it because that's you. What did cross mom? And it's like, dude, you can't read this clue and then go wonder, and the beach cannot find the idol. Like you need to know what the said been there. And did you consider getting rid of the play at all? Did you think that the napkin underneath would be. Can was enough. I've heard that people have skipped go. There was enough skeptical of like he'd sit you clearly works, but if did you think crap, I need to get rid of this giant giant Plata. Well, a thought ticking found the clear and he was coming off to me, right? And I was like, oh, so you're going to be like he did you see the clear it on the plate and he's going to be like, a, what would it? And it's like, okay, someone else. When when he's like, no, it didn't see it. But I did see the plate. So the thing is like coop plausible, deniability, the and they don't know if someone else has found include. A message. It was a massive pollen nauseous left at the little TV. Magic makes a look like Robbie's staring at the beautiful flew up in Switzerland in the wind that now is pretty pretty set in that plan. We get to the swap and you bring Sean Lydia and monarchy come over at that point ever have any plans of working? You said you were close with Sean in Fanilo. Why did you have no plans to work with vanilla and heath? And instead you through your law in with the Sean Ligier and morning, Casado. Yeah, I was never close to Fanilo. Was. Was. And I basically never spoke out of there. And since I mean since Melvin Mel is awesome. Like Dan Fennell, at least. All my interactions through Manella went from shawny. Is they just voted together and. Yes, always ever. Really close to phonology really have a relationship there and heath. And I definitely burn our bridge. Way back row. Now we, we go to that Teagan back and then we put all the verts on on he then he played his idol and he's very wary of what's going on is very smart guy. So, and I mean the the other thing that was gone through my mindset, a Lincoln merge, like seven was going to merge seven to five. I'd prefer to go like nine, three all like a eight four spent. It'd be small because yes, threatening at in real, I wanted to go small, especially if I could force some powerful relationships with someone like Sean who has a lot of power in that game and is incredibly smart on like, I'd love to sneak in emerge, nine, three yen, a champion Cousy three of them with God, all five votes before we even have to worry and start getting the champion says, like, definitely tried and true strategy. This year. Yeah. So that was my thought process. And once again, like relationships weren't strong with heath olefin Ella and they were with John and Monica, will it works because you get rid of to you in because you don't say. And you get rid of heath. But one of the thing that happens before merges that you find the auto and you find the auto at night time and you gross the ocean can use quickly give us a little bit about that because in my experience you all out to search for the at time. Production doesn't let you about. It seems like one of those things that if it's gonna make good TV, they'll go for it. So can you explain that a little bit. Yeah, yes. Also bottles at night since like they three us is side. No. I remember those torch is not one of the ones that tribal, but like one of those comes from the palm trees, you put it in the fire sort of stays late, but for like ten minutes and drops these embers. And I remember going out with the Kenyan man look for this idol and like taking these backtracks these woods and Fiji like combat anything, and then that guys got these not chemistry knows what's going on. And I'm from these Mba's behind me. Now think I'm hitting straight down this beach, like within the trees and host. Sudden I start seeing like Mba's in front of me. Was like, is someone else up looking for something? And it's like nominate. Right. On, jeez know. Humbly went home and I saw looking for Moran at dusk time because it is does get doc out there. But anyway. Yeah. So the problem with this idol is the tide like the tide comes in during the day out during the night at this time. And to go get this long journey today to swim out to this island. And when you swim out to an island on saliva, Nick, I'm sure you're well aware that's like you look in for. Bloodlibel reason that I'm swimming an island appall from the look for an idol. So like I'm not gonna gin day, just silly, huge, died on the back, and we're going to play the little at that tribal council and a model. Listen, everyone knows that I'm like dumbest make. And so I went out at night host feast was just full of energy, couldn't sleep. Moon was Brad. And once again, I didn't know anyone else seen this clue inside keep looking at that island. I came on island, Keith is going to going out there for any reason. I'd honestly just trying to out sprint him and the idol before he did. But not time rolls around the tides all the way out the moons Brad, unlike sweet. It's. Time for nine, I said to myself, I'm coming back to camp until the sun is up or have an idol in that park. During the boat sort of thing and of no second thoughts. Because once again, you follow and it's like you second guess yourself a lot of they like, what? If someone sees me what this this notoriety on the Adelaide not going to sleep at night out there on the idol took that forty minutes alone time and then came back in. Happy sleep. Very good willed on weld on that one. So Benji we at the merge and I wanna just kinda know like what was your plan from their own woods? Were you did you want to ditch the because it seems at this point that you do really ditch the contenders, all of them. Robbie, it seems like there is a bit of a kind of leave shunning Fennell out and you are trying to get in with the champions. Was that your plan at that point and follow up question at that point. What was your ideal funnel? Three. Yeah. Great question. So I'll give you a just every everyone of my thoughts that I can remember coming into marriage. Number one is as long as I have Sean Sean, my interests aligned, I will not go home because Sean is Matt's right hand lady and very smart woman who are no, as long as I'm looking for Sean, she's looking f- me I'm safe. So that was the number one priority. Number two on you ahead, Robbie ahead of meat. All the times I would love to have Zack onboard as well. As we said, we lost him. We lost a good man. In its citizens and. And then me and sunny was still obviously tight. Like I mean, I don't know if it shows up at means. Johnny is still telling the mostly everything and still looking out for us. So I'm like, cool, not going home. I have at least Robbie ahead of me if it swings to the boys and I know I have Sean. So heading to funnel three at that stage, not one hundred, and I want to know I wanted to wasn't. Robbie is. Putting credible game, didn't want to sit next to that, and it was it was published sunny. There's definitely. And probably money Monica. Right? Because because we also had the secret Popo lines and we were quite close, especially come merged on to. Did you did you no one? No. About your auto tow, like because you say like, all, you know, we tell each other everything, but like you didn't. You didn't tell your closest allies about your auto? Yeah. I was in auditions for survivor and the lady the Amelia who hosts it is like, please, if you find an at that, don't tell anyone let I cool if I get on to this woman proud and nuts aisle anyone. So when other didn't tell anyone because there's no benefit like especially like when when Robbie was getting voted out and has nothing I can do. I mean, you saw me run around the beach enough to trying to save him trying to get the numbers and it comes down to and he's like, dude, you have an idol. The KFI play, I go home complicated things. It would have been good for Sean in phonology. No, by the Idaho. On my elimination because I met a like just play your idol. Dole at sawed, right? But up until that point it was just good. It was just my secret. So before we get to ask you about that when we go Sam, but before we get that Lydia blond side and that would have been a great feeling for you, I see him, but you weren't involved in. It wasn't good for you, but at least it wasn't new. So not great feeling, but also in okay feeling, I'm sure. Yeah. So my favorite line of the season is when after league gets voted out and Roby. Another one. Along the lines of light? Well, who was. The head vitals. Yeah. Did you ever feel that you like what had to do a lot of the strategic heavy lifting for Robbie, or was it kind of like a shared thing? Definitely thing robberies, very intelligent. I mean, the ad can take to make anyone look little bit silly out there. I know. I know. Apparently. Yeah. Now, every very small, we always had a shooting star talks at nighttime, and we both bounce ideas of each other, and we saw shop and each other swords and. Advisor, not. Now there is a great guy and also like stuff like that that Lydia vote. Rub in Iowa. We had the bumpiest ride into merge, probably possible added that and more than anyone else out there maybe Sean as well. But like we always looked at each other because we had these grand plans, things are going to be easy, keeps TV. We get rid of Teagan. We sail into merge full bro, strong like, and every time it didn't go away. We always look like Cooman. It'd be boring if it was easy. Right. Like we'll just very optimistic. So Lydia goes home was like coup guess while we're on the bottom, but it'd be blind if it was easier. Right? And just fight us all like we're both very competitive with both like challenges and. Cool. The next challenge is get off the bottom one. One thing that this is probably who Mata say what you did rata wrong, but I think this is the one thing that I need clarification on about why it didn't work out because it seems at this point when Roby goes home, that with your auto, you can actually make this work. If you get you Roby, shawnee and Fennell get back on board and they split the votes. You can get, you can get it out. You can work this out that if you play the odd alone, Robbie that you will win the day in that vote, did you think about that in that moment? Am I rating that completely wrong? No, I'm right. And it's a great question because I mean, I asked myself that that how often as I'm running around trying to rally the numbers, the problem that I ran into is Robbie is was playing an amazing game. He was a big physical threat and. Won't rubber to stay around for that reason that Fennell doesn't finale love to see show variety, go home. And so it's sunny. And there were saying, is he playing an amazing game. Then if his supposedly he's LS wanted him to go home. An amazing game in the sense, he's a big threat. If he makes it to the. Well, I like Fennell and Johnny looked at me. Like, dude, we have. Opportunity to get rid of rubbing. It's it's like, this is this is like it's amazing. Yeah, but what can we do it later? Like like, nah, recalls too much stress and cost me wave. And then all of a sudden off, all three of us are on the bottom. Four of us are on the bottom as a tight contender alliance sort of thing. One hundred sent down if that plan was going to go down, but I could not get the numbers to help me. And how would you have sold that without telling them about the auto, which is something you didn't want to do. So I understand this was wondering how that kind of fit into all of them. Then the next episode is probably one of the greatest episodes of survivor mainly impact because of mostly I would say because of you and a little bit of wash Sean was doing was amazing as well because it was so fun. But tell me this is a biggest episode. What before we get to the trouble council and when you spook Sean and all that have what was the what? If you had to boil down the what was the one key in getting the Mighty Ducks together? What was the one key in in bringing over Brian and Monica was at losing Ravi that made them more willing to work with you? Was this something that you said to Ron Monica? What was it that one thing? Yes. I mean, the one thing would just be like incentives being aligned, and everyone was basically. I mean to go back a little bit like Lydia went home. Robbie went home and Sam also went home. I forgot the sandwich. Yes, Sam went home the day before that and that have the coal alliance was calling. The shots was Matt, Steve, Sean, Shane, and the top four and go Brian and Monica. Knowing like cou when asked and me and Chanel, both knowing cool worlds. The next it's like whoever they choose to be next is going to be next. And after that vote, we can no longer flip it. It's at nine and we've got five, and they've got four. Like if you wait one more vote and one one of them goes home. Say, Brian goes home. Who put the vote went out full full and we can no longer flip that. And there's no getting into that coal for alliance that these champions had. This is the only chance that we have to do this. And I mean, I was pushing hard for it and it will. It didn't take much convincing because they will also pushing for it because it's like this is Las chance aligned interests. I like it so. So before we get to what you actually say to spook Sean into playing her auto for herself, can you just kind of explain the which links funnel trouble council did Sean, no beforehand, not that she was going to save him, but did Sean know beforehand that Matt was going to go home? And if so, how did you know. Dear Sean, if you're listening, I love you. Yes, she did. You did no shot. Thinks she has. She's admitted that she did. She did. She had heard, she's she hasn't laws. She said that she had. She knew he was going home on it was getting votes or something like that. So, well, she said that on on the reunion, she said that it was just too too light before she could do anything. So I don't think that's a law, but how did she know did you did you tell her? So I told her that the swing was in effect because I mean, once again, we had one hundred percent open communication. That was the key to having such a genuine relationship with someone very powerful Kanafni. It's like, cool. If you want to jump ship with us, I'll look up to you. Like you have looked up to me. And so I gave her that heads up Monaco also gave her that heads up, so go into tribal. She was well aware that Matt was going home as exemplified by playing an auto foreign. So. This is the bit where you guys kind of got into this at the reunion and this is like seeing your parents fi. I was like, Meg guys during I love you when you do it. So what was. What was you say that she you knew she was going to play it on that, but she claims then she came up to that came to that decision in trouble council and I'm inclined to believe that she came up with that decision trouble council. So how, how do you rebut that and say that you knew she was going to do that. Here we go. Sean is an incredibly intelligent woman and her best move is to play it from that. Like running running the situation in my head this scenario head like it's it's on that episode to. I'm like, the only thing that could go wrong tonight is Sean plays. And would that going wrong Sean, maintains the power Sean, probably still looks off to me because she's stop using Ovech stability. Now, crossed me using my information I told I was going to match. She plays a fa- Matt, so I don't know. She comes back to camp the most powerful women in camp, and that's a great move for Sean Sean is a very intelligent woman, and she will always play the best move for her. So like walking into that travel council, I'm confident that Sean is going to play that for Matt because she's very spot. Definitely understand that one hundred percent. The only issue is that the way it was presented at the reunion, it seemed like you like, no, I knew that you were going to do that because you told me, whereas you're saying that it's like, no, I knew because it was the wrong move, which I agree with you. One hundred percent of the aggressive, our players should be going well. What's the play is best move, which makes it. It's really hard when you play with people who during this movies, so I totally understand that. But you see how there's a difference totally during travel council. Sean said. Like I Don Jonathan Nassar Kristen, she goes and that's why I'm going to play an idol for myself to not Jonathan twice. Maybe three times to. Yeah. And I had in my head that she's probably going to play out already. Okay. And like you don't. That's not what's doing child. Cal, let's talk to Jonathan. I'm gonna play Nado for myself as most of the time it's played for yourself. I'm gonna play my Idelson that something like this is about to happen so about to go down. So I was woke prepared when it did. So let's talk about what you actually said. Like I bet you have to say, I, I will say that that was. I would probably say it's the best move of all three seasons in strategy, and it was completely it was unin icon, speak highly enough of it because it was so new and I don't know why people haven't thought about really doing this before. I know we've had now, can these kind of done it and when do did it things went, did it to some degree. Germany, but I just thought it was absolutely fantastic. How did you feel when you were doing it? Did you think this is going to work? Or were you like this? No way. She's going to believe as I was Laurie. Like there's a fifty percent chance this works and as a fifty percent chance of dozen and Sean ends up going home anyway. So I mean, I was allies like it's raido die tonight. It's a big night no matter what just happened to go the best way possible in a sense. But also, I mean, it was like you said it was a great move, but it was also my worst move. I mean that got me voted out the next travel council like I made a lot of that gain that didn't get voted that gave me a foul. This one's definitely the flashiest move, but strategically speaking, it was my west move. Okay, coup. So what so obviously, yes, it's fleshing it. It looks amazing, but you're saying, now is your worst movie, which I really appreciate that. What would you do differently than nothing bro? We didn't play with regrets. I know you don't have spoken already auto play. The gets old that bub-bubba, but now with Hans told me if site another player is in that exact situation, if you don't want one of what could they do differently to win that game, win that round and also state stylized further on. Yeah. Well, that's that's a great question because I mean, I was at this crossroad day thirty seven. I think it was where at end Matt's trust, Sean stressed. Stephen chain were did not speak to them much at all. But you now though pot of that and and they needed those numbers and there's so much pressure on this big flip and everyone's incentives are aligned and ready to flip and everyone's going for Matty. And you know, they don't know if that's gonna plays idle or whatever, but. I owned the trust of the most powerful person in the game, and I have Shawn's trust as well, and they have to really strong allies and baning foaming Sean that the flips going to happen and I can stick with like, Matt thought I was going to be right and Brian's name down that night. And if I wrote down Brian's name. Then we have three people below me in that pecking order, and I'm sailing into top five and probably more than that because I know Sean would probably want to make a couple of moves before getting to the end. I mean, that's the boring way. It would have been too Paul on with them to get rid of Brian. Is that what you're saying that sure on as well as you another couple of rounds, but something else can then opened up with two rounds. I still got an idol in my pocket. No one knows about Sean relationship strong yet, and we can sort of make some magic happen from there. A small boring way. But once again went out to have fun, play big, and so I would do the exact same thing again would just play my idol the next round and save shoney's advantage for the round off to that twenty twenty hindsight. So what so you say the reunion that it wouldn't have mattered because regardless you would have played. The auto for Brian is is, is that true veggie? Would you have actually given up your auto for Brian? Because would you have done that? Yeah. Is that is that unbelievable? It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. I don't know. He just didn't seem closely aligned to Brian to kind of give him. Yes, it would have maybe brought him closer to you, but it didn't seem like a slam dunk that you would have done that tossing that up or we you like all pleased. I make that decision because I mean, I just I, that's another big movie and I was out there to make those big moves on like cool if that's not going home, the Stevo Shawn's going home yet. So you know if if Matt had played his idol for himself and Sean and played for herself, and I play for Brian where at least taking down that that yet call for lines that was going to sail to the end. Otherwise, that's the loss tribal we can do it right. So I was very much cool if Ryan goes home and I had flipped, and I go home in the bottom, three destroying Mirela shit with net, which I worked so hard to build and destroy my shit with Sean renewables, flipping, but still flipped on her. That's a tough spot to being compared to if someone like, say Steve goes home, and then we've got Sean and Shane on the bottom, and I'm in the power seat of the Mighty Ducks. When did you find out that? Matt actually went home with an ostlund is book. Later that night, Steve, Steve, let slip. Okay. Sam. Super happy with yourself in. I was definitely happy with it, but at the same time as out of knowing Steve telling the truth. I don't know because I was also reading the rumor that Steve had not because I was trying to pin some votes on. Steph's way of throwing that he'd be off him and being like he had the auto and home with net sort of thing. That's funny. Well, would on that because it was such a good episode. It was bloody brilliant, brilliant. So we get to your boot episode. Unfortunately, we have to talk about it. Now, this is in this episode you guys have to split and peak trod pick people to play in the reward challenge. And when I spoke to Fanilo she says that not choosing Brian lost you the game, do you believe is. Also the game and definitely definitely did which inadvertently listen, you do, do you do you think that's true? Do you think he really was that annoyed by that. I think it's a big factor. My side of the story as like of course, 'til. I know. I know I have this advantage with Jani. We have the advantage and I know have an idol. And my next targets was Sean and Bryan saw my cou. I don't need to make make out with Sean at Anita relationship with Brian. I'm trying to work like too far in the future. I'm honesty and I'm talking about that fried chicken that Jonathan's talented, a main Steve Young fried chicken, delicious. And we're like broken out back at the back row of that on that, Matt while I was standing in the water and like, you know, I'm I'm a winless Steve. I'm bringing him closer because he's about solution, which leaves them with just Shane and like he's going to need another someone out here. I'm like, I'll be. I'll be true. And that's what I was thinking. And I also knew that Shane and Brian hated each other. So I'm like, there's a chance, a strong chance of Shane does not pick Brian, but she was smart enough to do that. Right. Well, that's interesting. You should probably like you said, probably trying to go too far in the future than than my show. Yeah, but you go to you. So one other thing that happened with you and Brian and this episode is that he has the necklace on and at at the well, you say that she's trying. She's running around trying to get you, but he actually not only is immune, but he's wearing the necklace. Was that as big as big as big of a faux pas as the show presented it or not. I mean, I do hate this question because this is like a lot of TV magic goes into survive of this is like sort of becomes you undoing. Yeah, and it didn't happen. You like, yeah, this is what everyone's Oscar is. Like, what did you tell Ryan? That's like. I didn't think that auditing key even tweets, but like, did you did you did you? We actually try to make it seem like he was going. She was going for him, but you just forgot he was wearing the auto? No, I didn't say at all. So what I said that Brian was like, dude, I'm the, I'm the villain at the moment. Shawn's coming off to me if I go home, you know who she's coming off the next Hugh on the, I'm trying to win his vote for that tribal council being like, did you want me out here? Sean, goes home with good. If I go home, you're next on the chopping block, and that was the conversation at at the well. And it made me look like a big all silly. Some stuff together. Dammit, you're about to go home with an auto. I think that would just trying to live the line, the full play, maybe. Shani's advantage. I absolutely loved what you did with this, which is kind of like you has power, but you were giving it a little bit of extra palace so that people would come on board with you. Did you did you think that it seemed like the problem with that though? It was that Jonathan then verified at tribal council that it doesn't have the power of giving two or three votes. It just says the power of stealing one. So do you think it was that moment that sealed the deal that brought them Monica, flipped back? Was it already done? Do going into trouble. It was done. Dale guns travel for sure. Like we, we knew we didn't have the votes, and it goes from us more perceptive of that then than we were. I still thought I'll say I was like, the only way I got home is because I, I. Brian had found the idol at challenge. So I'm like the only way that I go home, is it Brian places, idle shown. And then I go home without playing my idol. So like. What good, because she's sorry to give you some more context on this. This is this is my big mistake. I made a couple of mistakes out that made a few mistakes out of that probably a lot. But this was like the critical one that I made get back from the challenge. I know it's basically going to be five chance against three contenders like it's very clear and I say to shoot on Finola I don't tell them about the idol like. They're like, CU. We have this vote avenge. Awesome. Like what? Good because we're gonna play this advantage tight full. We're going to revote Ty. We're going to go to rocks and I know that the numbers are coming to me, so I don't have to draw a rock sound like cou I'm safe tonight. I just had to convince donate Fennell to go to rox full me. So I was trying to convince these two goes to put their life on the line for me, and that's where my focus was a never thought. And this is the mistake like we can't tire this in the second round. If the vote advantage doesn't apply. I and my head is like tied tie rox. Let's make sure that people are going to go to rox full. That's the big mistake is like it's not tight. It's like Thai lose and go home on your pocket. I didn't see that. Okay, that's very interesting. So veggie you give voted out and how quickly did how did it take you to realize that you had beaten analysts by one day. It took me from the ten fifteen minutes smashed down. Chocolate pods. Go wait in the car, and I was like, hanging on us. Yeah, you know, I initiated city days which is impressive. You know, it's funny. I was thirty seven, and then she on the podcast hanging made for beating me by one day. So now you get to return the fame feeding him whenever bullies you, you give me a call and I'll Steph not good. As well as she was thirty days. And once we go to that day mock berry like happy that I had the same experience as out there. So you go to villa, can you just we don't need to get into the minutia of, you know, lots of Jerry Lewis. We've seen the videos, but can you describe the vibe? What would people thinking about the people that were still left in the game? What was just a general vob about who was gonna win, etc. Yeah. So it's your real. It was amazing. Like I left the game and join the frat house, and it was Matt Rogers is just a top bloke. Here's Larry's Robbie, as you see incredible guy and like we just brought out we had. I think we have four days before anyone else joined us, and we just went to waterfalls and just hung on eight and go fat. So I love that post. I'm achieve your LA. But you know, we knew this Sean was probably the biggest game play left and. If I thought if she made it to the final two, I guess it's kinda cool because it's the first time I got speak freely about what happens. Other individually like, oh, if she makes fun of, I thought that if Sean made funnel to that, it would be, you know, nine votes landslide. And I've, I think up until the final tribal council, a lot of people felt very similar. So could you spend a lotta time with Matt Rojas? Clearly he was the deciding vote in the end. It seems he and Monica. What could you sense that there was that angriness maybe building that it in a soil something building against Sean already like, or was that something that was completely born out of funneled travel because show that came before beforehand. Yeah, don't think Matt bitter at all. Bitter. That's nothing. It's just I got. Yeah, I Gotcha. Again. Reasons. Why think he voted for Shane, do agree with them in the sense that he was he was close to both Shane and Sean, and they were very loyal to him and they're very, like close his friends out there and they both made it to the end. But one of them made a mistake, the cost him his game, and one of them didn't rand. I mean, why would you give it to the one that costs you your game and made that mistake when there's someone who's equally your friend whose loyalty the hallway is sitting and Hastings, she deserves the the million dollars. I guess that'll make sense, but devil's advocate would come in and say, that will shine wasn't with him at the beginning. He she kind of was kind of against that side while Sean wasn't and the other side and said that Sean plight it more dominant game. So that's kind of you know, he can vote. However he wants, I'm I'm a big proponent of people can do whatever the hell they won't live. And hopefully I get a chance to chat to med at some point, but it did seem that there was. All the reasons that kind of came into it, but which I understand. Did you send? Did you say that sarky going match game was one based on loyalty? No, I think that's the type of game that he does respect other. I'm very different. I like the big news and people playing the big game and make it to the end because that's just incredible. But I do think, yeah, match criteria based everyone base criteria based on how they would play. I'm pre- pretty convinced and he went out and played a very loyal. Like, I guess, honorable sort of game. And I guess that's why he voted that way. So who did you want to win at that point? I want to Taunton shy. I love Sean and play just says such a great strategic game even more than schone. Final full. The most at the moment that you out the moment that you know and I went out Sean Sean think was going to be my number one, pick. Say Sean and then probably shawnee second. Yeah. So going into final trouble counts who and you knew that it was shrine and Sean, it seems like you wanted her to win. You said that you will locked in we ever persuaded, or would you ever kind of like thinking about voting for shine roof. I wasn't. I definitely wasn't saying, and I think locked in going into the travel. It's like cool. Final tribals. Like how well can you talk about your game? And it's like, I've watched Joe game. I was there. I know what happened for loan of it, and I don't really need to be like sold, go game. I was. I would have liked to see Sean own a couple of things that she did with more confidence because it doesn't a sense discredit a big move. If you don't really like to really like open up to it, it's like, well, did you know that this was such a good move time if you really like this is a good time to get where Sean undersold himself in a couple of occasions. But I mean, she just played such a great game like I was not going to be this way to what was your view of Shane's game. Shane played an incredible win his game in the sense that come merge time. You making a funnel through Shing. No one wants to go home. She's not a physical threat associated Mitch, no strategic threat. Everyone wanted to be sitting next chain at the end and. Like everyone knew that Shane was always gonna make final two. So by that logic, would you say that Shawn lost the game rather than Shane winning in. Yes, right. That's a hard pill for Sean to swallow. Go to say. Yeah, yeah. But once again, you know, it'd makes no difference on Shaun's left. She played an incredible game as a lot of people that really matter what you come. You come in. Would you have voted for Bryan if it was a Brian, Sean, final two? And do you sorry, we'll get yes or no? Would you have voted for Brian. No. The only question I would have for Sean would be wise Brian sitting next to you like I would have lost a little bit respect for her taking Bryant to the end when. What I thought would be in a much easier person to take the end would have been chained. So that would be my only real, like what's going on there like. But I don't. I would not have voted for Brian John. So that's interesting because it seems like other people would have lost respect for her about for the inverse that like it was easier to be Brian, whereas you're saying that like you would have lost respect because it would have been harder to beat Brian, but she in the end, she lose respect through the way. Totally, totally. I feel like people's have like. Can have like favorites and then like reverse rationalize why the favorite. Favorite on their favorite? You know? And so do you think that if it was Brian and Sean, it brought shun had taken Brian, do you think that it would have been a seven? Two vote with only shown in phila- voting for Brian. Monica was very close to Brian, and she gave vote to Shane. So I think money if the tribal went the same way would averted Brian, but we have shown. Yeah, probably. Yeah, probably I don't know. I don't know where map what's his vote in that situation. Probably interesting. Yeah, it is an interesting one isn't it? It's definitely a definitely a very interesting travel council to kind of dissect, and especially when you put it in relation to the other trouble councils that we've had inustrial Ian survivor. I feel like it's kind of interesting counterpoint, and definitely it reinforces why you need to kind of own your game. So yeah, very interesting. Benji that's the end of your journey, but we've got a few questions if you wouldn't mind indulging the listens. Let's do it all ready. Okay. Let's asks on Twitter. What have you learned the most about yourself during the process of playing and then what she yourself back on the telly. Damn, that's heavy. I'll give you something I've learned enough. It's the biggest listen. So much. I think I think. Show you can relate to this knick and it's a little bit cliche, but just like what's important in life when you take away everything. When you have technology, don't have family done a fringe of business. You don't have exercise or whatever. It's like when you take everything away from you, what do he actually miss? And for me, I missed my family. The most and like it's everybody knows it. But once you're out there for forty days, fifty days and. You don't get to talk to your family, you realize like. It's such a opportunity that I'm so Krisha of. It's like, cool, I got, you know what it feels like to have everything shipped to win. I know that these times, like right now here in on in Hawaiian a family holiday, which has been incredible spending time with my family. It's like, this is the most important thing in my life. And the opposite to that would be social media, go forty days without social media. Jump back on all excited to catch up on everything that happened, and you realize that nothing happens like social media. So the worst, like trench thin and the dead, it's like the worst people. You wouldn't hang out with a life. You let you know Ma online for three, four, five hours day since I cool and non luck doing that anymore. And it's been really good just like relining what is important to me in life. Excellent. Okay. Well, we'll go for a lot out of the question. Oh yes. We're going to get deeper depot. Williams has Tucker Bill called to offer an endorsement deal. Well, unfortunately, not yet, but slide into the DMZ. Feel on of element. I am a big fan guacamole and they didn't actually have gawk Mellon nachos tension how hot I would've gone. Felipe patient. Fully Shimon talks about. He also be questioned about, you know, Malcolm being the person who asked people to change up the auto play, kind of like what you did and it seems like an obvious move, but basically is benjy a game changing. Now, would you consider yourself the stralia version of a game changer. Yeah, I think every time anytime someone in Australia plays now in, oh, that's gonna cross people's mind and it wasn't going to cross the befall. So colostomy is a game changer. Jessica fray says, who would stab each other in the back, I in a blood versus water between you and Annelies. Alice would try should definitely try I, but I'd say a common, grab the knife, throw back here in the face down thirty. I'd say a lawn to win nothing that ice no less in the. Seven, the back, God's concern for the one of those Plato's. The blunt force trauma. Me says, have you ever considered always wearing a black? I feel you wear it. Well, it suits you'll persona. Yeah, I really wanted to look like Skoll from from the liking and sort of pool that off. It was funny because Fennell kicked me in the face one like one night and the night after I went for the other eye with the stick. And then yeah, then how to fly my not to get any party stuff put in that as well. So my is didn't love the experience. Tubo question Jason says, how did you feel about the fan reaction to you? People often criticizing your accent or accusing me of lying to the audience about the game, will your finances? Did you find this unfair at all? No, not at all. I'll super appreciative that people were anyone who watches survivor and I didn't hang out with the negative people. I mean, everyone got negatively on there and if someone like shoney's getting people be negative to her, I can see why the cookie on upstart is getting negative feedback on him. So I mean, it's it's what happens when you put yourself on TV and I appreciate the people watch. I mean, they're entitled to their own opinion. Well, last question is from funeral Jennings she asks Benji, would you come back to play again? It's tough question isn't a Nick man. That's why I hated myself. It's so tough because it's like I've just finished and I'm like, well, wild ride. That's awesome. And like we'll talk about Elia now it's time for some certainty. Now it's time for something secure someone to hold me close. And. I think I would play in the future. Once you do get this sending once you. Once you go back to doing some cool stuff in real life and this is not just happened, it's not such a big experienced in your life then yet cooled semi out there. Again, the one caveat is it's going to be bigger and better like everything in my life is like, I just want to go be going to do better. I wanna just do cool stuff, and I don't wanna go out for like a an ordinary season. So I put put yourself out there. Nick, put some cool people, big game plays out, then we'll have a lot of fun. So I'd go back after that cool people versus game plays. This is this the second. Definitely definitely would know in the cool people. I think that's, that's that's obvious. Okay. Well, Benji, thank you so much for stopping by this was absolutely awesome. It was so good to chat through you'll season and just kind of hear all about the ins and outs. And I feel like we are all I'm just going to say, collective thank you for being out there and making the season what it was. It was an absolute Ripa. Thanks so much, man. Thanks for the thanks for doing the puck costs. A lot of the puck cost. It'd be on here and yeah, thanks to everyone who watched never owners listening and. Appreciate you guess where can people will catch up with you. We've just talked about the ills of social media, but if you want you can plug your social media handle he if not, people can just kind of catch you next time you're on the cool people truck. Yeah, you can catch me on the on the Graham. Then g bloop or you can catch me on YouTube that freedom formula. We're going to have some sweet new content coming out of this month. Excellent. Coop. Thank you so much for something buying and we would check you soon. Thanks, appreciate it. Did you hear the news metro PCS is now metro by t mobile. Now you get new plans with unlimited high-speed data all month long. 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The Thirteenth

Orange is the New Black Podcast

42:28 min | 1 year ago

The Thirteenth

"The years gone by. I'm so glad you who me with love you give me. It's good uh that you be mine. One day saab <music> welcome to the orange is the new black podcast e._r. Laureates episode thirteen thirteenth the hell. That's not a great great all screwed up the thirteenth. I'm rob southgate who apparently can't read partha southgate and martha. Can you read this description from net flicks looks yeah while piper reconnects with faces from her past alex revisits her own romantic history. Linda puts to make a notice and caputo owns up to his misdeeds steeds. Yes he did concise yeah. I you know it's there's a lot more than having chicken but yeah there's dead chicken and <hes> the caputo thing star with lorna yet so the last episode ended with lorna in that few state we saw her go outside and we didn't know where she went on what went on there and we still don't know and we didn't know if she even was going outside or if she was just what she was seeing but she did. She locked yourself in the chicken coop right. She went outside and went into the chicken coop and that's where they've founder. The <hes>. The carts are not really equipped for this. They like it was like exa. Keystone cops. Oh my gosh dixon is like ready to taes. They're all of them. He almost shot her. No there was a teaser well before that he thinks she said he had a gun but they're all but iran or white man what you doing. It's like when they look through you could see she doesn't howirling funny said she had a weapon which he did now but he said she had a chicken us. He's scared while he was having post traumatic stress from 'cause will we fight jerod yeah because of the riot jardine flashback. They're not equipped for this ward. It was kind of like what's going on so but she was the one with the level head. Of course she's going okay. We need to get her out of there. You know it's open the door and they're they're all like freaking out and they opened the door and dixon freaks and tasers her. Yes now brought the chicken up because has he tried the chicken fried chicken right because they saw it smelled even like later on when they when they found the chicken yeah that was different chicken now they that was leftover chicken there then. How do they find another chicken well. Another chicken died from an undisclosed clauses but that it just happened happened. Maybe there is a murderous chicken on the list but there's another there was another death. There was another chicken death five but the chicken the first chicken was killed when they tasers word lorna this show slowly becoming mind hunter but a chicken. It's about chickens starring susannah wildly and i'm alan. I'm all in. I'm all on board. We'll watch that i would watch their spin spinoff show and i occasionally time traveling lollies box and rights and she goes back to writing time home time hump mysteries a new venue would be good. It would be like murder. She wrote chicken side zero so can we. Let's finish up okay but then mccullough was upset and she was really upset. The <hes> helmand didn't follow protocol or that like no. She's like no we didn't follow follow protocol and he was like yeah too bad whatever we did what we needed and that's over and she was not okay with that. Well we've seen her backstory. We know they steamroller over her. They don't listen and even though he wasn't being like those guys in her flashback or like some of the other shows of treated our <hes> um she's done. She's they're all messed dixon's a mess yes. She's a mess. <hes> hoppers offers a mess even though he's a mess and it's just a mess yes i it's. It's all the and they're back to the way the the guards were at lichfield originally because when they first went down here they were the guards were a little different but they're all starting to become like the guards acted at lichfield where it's like. They're they're more involved with the inmates. Things are a little bit. They're they're less hard-nosed about self because they're all they're all freaking doing it. You've got okay so we got whole. Hopper is working with alita. You've got loose. Check working with with okay die <hes>. Has you know that's my point. You've got helmet doing god knows what he's awful and he's working. He's doing stuff and bringing stuff in then. You've got a mcculloch working working with alex bringing in the phone chargers. I mean they're literally just corrupt. Alvarez is not doing anything he he is managing the chickens. They're alvarez is doing a very good job. He is he's been because you know what is good he. He's got suzanne on and lowering and he's nice to them and i love that he has that the best c._o. They have it which is sad but he's very sweet with them. What he'll say say that he just does his job but the rest so i s i don't know what order this kind of. This particular episode is all over the place so it's a little harder and a lot of the stories intertwine its review. It's going to be a little harder for me to just go okay. Let's talk about alex because cause if we talk about alex. She's the flashback right plus. She's with mcculloch. Doing god knows what plus she's with. She's got the whole piper so. Let's get her out of the way alex actually before before we do that. Can we just wrap up dixon really quickly. Go for it because we did mention them. We gotta go to the to the class but only about dixon. We'll get we'll do the whole thing later. Alpha hickson caputo's class later in the <hes>. It's the restore restorative restorative justice and they're doing this this exercise where they have to confront role playing the role playing but it's it's the inmate is either. They're having a letter read to them from a victim of theirs or another inmate is describing an issue and this is really working yeah. It's it's uncomfortable but it's working and and dixon confronts res and at first poodles like yeah yeah. That's that's how this works and i'd kinda forgotten how what had happened to him. Well okay but i the reason he confronted her was because she was role playing with bath and beth was apologizing to her children. Ruiz was standing in for her children. Right and beth was apologizing for drowning joining them were and really said well. She shouldn't be forgiven. She should be separated. She shouldn't be with us in general population. I see and and dixon stepped in and said oh wait a second. Why are you judging her. How are you any better that her after what you did to me right caputo was like oh this is an appropriate is only inmates no no no no no as she hurt me right right and we're we said no this is i want to do yeah. That was a great sia dixon like we saw he's having p._t._s._d. S._t. from yes he's very damaged from it. He's upset with ruis but it was really by the end. I mean he felt reconciled. Well hang on. Let me tell what you're going to be. It was just a wonderful scene caputo mediated between the two of them and he she had to sit there while he said you held me hostage and you tortured and humiliated me and i can't sleep and you know i mean he was was still suffering so much and then she <hes> beth came up to him and said gee you wanna hug which was awkward awkward and and he was so funny awkwardly said no like thinking oh my god you're a frequent murderer and then and then he went well. Actually i really could could use a hug and so she hugged him and then he called ruiz over and made her hug with bath which was amazing. That was fantastic. Yeah it was funny. She was like i think she was fight with hugging dixon the bed thing. She's like l. yeah seriously the happening but she did she. She started rate law moment yes so i want. I'm glad we got that out of the way and what we'll come back to what happened because there's there's more than happens in here <hes> when we talk about caputo story but you wanted to talk about alex i think we should do alex is flash back. Yeah had a flat the flashback actually i agree that we should do it because even though it was very telling it wasn't revelatory some of the other ones as you go like oh i got insight. This is like as soon as a with a dysfunctional person but it shows alex running away and soviet drunk eh. She's an alcohol ashes the alcohol in that scene. She was falling down drunk right and she drops her phone on the tracks and then jumps down to get it. It's in the subway way and she's not killed or anything but that's what she realizes like. I really need help and alex is like trying to swoop in and the whole time that flashback was was happening. I was thinking about these flashbacks. Yeah i was thinking about how they're usually not so obvious yet in this case as i knew exactly what this what this flashback telling us and what we were saying alex is attracted to damage yes. That's why she likes piper. We knew that from the beginning <hes> she seems all put together and everything but she's all in wins. She's wearing the bigs bigs supergirl yeah and she's in char- yes you know so when when sylvie got sober <hes> <hes> <hes> alex had set up dinner with her but didn't teller and sylvia's like no. I've got plans. I'm going out with my sponsor and my a friends and alex alex was jealous and she said will come with like we're excluding you. It's just that you didn't tell me we had plans and and i'm trying to assimilate in this new life life doing what you y yeah exactly and so when they go she ends up going out with them and is an is no no no she didn't she went out other friends and and she was like making fun of the soviet expansion and that's what she meant owing to drink. I'm going to do this and it was like so. In other words she's she's making making herself better and you're gonna take crap on it and then she sees piper and immediately you can tell from across the room. That piper is damaged goods. It's like what with later on after she hooks up with piper and still becomes she's furious and she she punches her and and you see piper outside no shoes on like looking around like oh yeah. You can't find a way out of a paper bag at that point. That's why alex is like yeah. That one's the one. I like so she <hes> so yes she. She obviously dumped sylvian went off with piper sobe dumped her or soviet. Oh i hope silvi- silvia dumped her <hes> and it's so in the meantime alex <hes> i'm not gonna they go into alex's full story. I mean pipers full storyline yet but <hes> piper is a alex's is looking up zelda on on facebook and everything and she's watching these videos and she's getting more and more jealous. Realizing piper has this whole life. She's doing yoga <hes> they're having you know coffee and doing all these things and and our shes rolled out there to go out and find somebody and do your thing she she is not okay with now and so alex is <hes> but it's making herself feel better with mcculloch right now. I don't know if she's jealous of it that you're having you're you're connecting with people as much as she is jealous that like i'm stuck in here. Now you're living this life. He's living the life and it's like wait a the minute. I fully believe she's jealous that she's living that life. I think that's what's going on to and alex can't compete right at that so here's alex fully embracing this kalkin ah mcauliffe and guess what mccoll's dan makala is so and so she's got p._t._s._d. From the riot and she's injuring herself again after what happened with with lauren as soon as she said that when she showed that she had the new alex olive stopped. I thought that alex is going to get deeper in with her house because she's she's hurting and fortunately alex is not going to help her. Alex is going to track her down further or keep her sick because has she's going to need her to be to be unwell right in order for alex feel what they're not gonna walk out of here a couple when when alex finally gets out of prison because she's going to make her more and more damaged goods n- it's it's sad it's socks and the thing is i think that alex needs counseling to get over that. I think alex genuinely is smart and his genuinely like getting into the relationships. This ships thinking that it's a real relationship. She's unaware that she needs this damaged goods thing. I really do think that yeah. Let's go ahead and talk about it loose check so he's now teaching the g._e._d. Class substituting and he's not teaching he's just sitting there and they're watching videos and i love of the one <hes> konia zetter nate coney yeah cubic zirconiums. Yes okay she. <hes> is sitting there like totally in it. She's like no. I'm we're learning history of digging and and i was really upset though because they're not learning and she won't be ready for the g._e._d. We've got the g._e._d. Tested and lose tricks like yeah whatever like yeah. He's the worst yeah so they go. They end up going to tasty. They find that <unk> her with the worst. He's not the worst like helmet is the word an abusive jerk. Loose check is just morally low level criminals marley bankruptcies. It's morally bankrupt so zirconium creech and up going to find it and tasty when they're tutoring together. Yes and they beg tasty to last seen too yeah. I love that now. What's funny is didn't did she only imply that she should be tutoring or was there. Am i remembering wrong. There was something where ward was kind of asking her to teach the g._e._d. I don't know about that okay because because she should totally be teaching visit g._e._d. Right but i don't know is will they let an inmate teach it and she if she doesn't have a teaching right off of loose. Check so so yeah but i don't. I don't inmate although jones used to get to teach yoga right and why couldn't they have if they're worried about that. Since she's a life or why couldn't they have lucic sit in there while she teaches it. Yeah she's being monitored. Yeah so how something will happen so so now she's took now. She's tutoring dog. It's konia and creech. A lead comes in and makes fun of him and she's telling them oh. You're you trying to get a g._e._d. What's that gonna to do for you. You like you need to be dealing drugs and living my life you know and they actually i loved that creech shut her down and was like like you're not someone to emulate and that was awesome and then you see alita later all by herself as she was getting hand before right but what you're seeing is. She was getting hand where she's losing. It is because awards programs. She's playing the old school. We keep everybody hooked on things. We keep people dumb. We you know i i'm playing kingpin and everything and because ward is doing these things that are positive for the chickens the g._e._d. Classes the fact that they're kony is in there like i really dig history. This is cool but she said we can't correct things if we don't know what happened for zach it's like okay. She fully embraces. Why history is important. Why understanding histories important that is a huge <music> step for us at all because ward is put these programs in place right which linda's switched about and it is her job elitist plan some old school game that she's losing. She's losing badly dia and <hes> but linda is threatening wards job. Oh my gosh these because these programs but you know what she's she's at klausner. Costarring money hopefully shall letter word wards her argument back was it's actually saving you money so be as weird as you want. It's at saving you money until it doesn't save me money. You're fine but the second. It's cost me a dime in trouble yeah because that's all she cares about. I don't know as we're barreling to the end of this series. I don't know if we're going to have resolution will linda will that company fall apart right our prisons right. Now in our reality are going away from the private. <hes> the mid privatize retired from being privatized so <hes> you know maybe that's what they'll do at the end. I don't know i don't know <hes> all right so dia then we see later ater <hes> she's. She's got her whole group. Her crew around her and alita is completely by herself but that analysts has trouble aw yeah and she's she's trying to play he's playing he's and and now she and she got usurped by diet so now she's trying to get revenge on di. She's trying to get that play golf. She told her that i has the new pipeline right and i don't know if she told she didn't tell her it was little check though until what it was but what you just said she's got a new pipeline but <hes> and they're gonna every might have said it was took but that's irrelevant right now and loose check frigging said he'd put the drugs up is bought so he is like he offered that he volunteered. You know we're bringing the good stuff and then i'll just shove it up my butt and she's like oh well well all right then we could bring pills then 'cause like he's like no one's gonna believe me if i bring books in here. He's like i'm not gonna book in here. No problems putting about oh my god check. He's so crazy well. He is not going to end up with gloria after it is i. I think that dream of his i'll now is going to ship to sail. Yes even though he's there's gonna be one more reference to it. I'm sure by the end of in season <hes> i can't there's no way she's got like positively like going upward at he's just now trash rush word caputo fig and words boyfriend. I'm not sure what his name is. I don't know are all having dinner and caputo. Oh decides that's the moment he needs to own everything. Will i resign. He says it is they're walking. I have resigned what right now we're having did. Are they go in and he can barely sit down before. I'm gonna resign yeah but then he comes clean about the whole thing. I really liked that. He <unk> recognized all of this and he will. He really recognized it because of the risk of yes because he had to role play somebody and he he was like no. You're not hearing them. All you have to do is hear them and you'll know you were wrong and he as he's doing this. You could see he immediately had recognition here he was taking in and he was like oh so then when he said this. You're like yeah of course because he knows he was wrong long before he was fighting because i know in my heart i didn't believe this forget your heart. What does it look like from the victim standpoint yep yep data did it and words said you're so good like you should be commended your and he and then he said this happened and she's like you have no choice. You have to resign and she she was devastated because she he was the reason that so much of what she was doing was successful right but he has to buy to own up for what he did. In this is pass yeah <hes> all right. We've got red and he could get resolution from this like now that he's owning it. You know there could be resolution that that comes around four caputo you know but i i love the owned it. I love that he he said it the right way. Okay to yeah the whole thing was done really well. So red red red got caught cut her hand. She was very forgetful again in the kitchen and she cut her hand and nicky got her to the nurse right right and hold them told nurse <hes>. There's something else going on. He tried to try to get through radio. I don't know that that nurse listened yep so they did a neurological exam and then they called red in no nikki nikki. I'm sorry nicky and i know i know who am they called nikki and read said a red had told the doctor when they said you have someone that you trust that you can <hes> and she said you bring me nicki and l. My god that was so touching and they both were crying. Water seen any returns has the mickey standing behind her and they just uh-huh and nikki space. She's just like i mean this is her mom. Yeah this has early onset dementia and brought on by head injury three yes and by the time in the shoe yes and or at least they think that's what exacerbated situation which we know it did right and nikki is josh tossed devastated and she also is feeling that she betrayed her friends. Even though this is one to help her friends she did did not and <hes> so <hes> what else is going on in the kitchen okay so we have that. The one woman was banging on the window. Yes and she doesn't speak spanish one of them. No one knows what she's saying. One of the detainees is basically they brought her in to cook it and she started just boiling big pot of water and a ton of parsley and no one knows what she'll do but but but it's like gotta be doing something talk. A goes is personally super thing. I just use it as a garnett red. Cut her hands like like okay so we can get with that. I have a feeling that'll be in the next episode they're going to we're going to find out what was the girl. We can't understand speaking. She cooked which is why. I was like that is what is so. I'm nikki and shah shawny. Try to be intimate and it didn't work and and it hurts her. Yes <hes> and then nicky sees lorna when she takes read to the infirmaries. She says aziz lorna. She's like what happened as he couldn't get any answers. She can get any answers. So then lorna came back she got out and she came came back but she's not okay and she could barely walk and she's in bed and nikki said you've got to cover for me glory. I can't go to the kitchen. I have to stay with her. So nikki has become the mom. She's the mom of red. She's the mom of lorena. She's like the caretaker to emigrate elliot's. What's shining red was the mom yeah care volume and now she's deli in nikki head was the daughter of the has to rebel then she's back in the fold and now she is the the mother figure taking curve and sean. You're elderly mother while nikki was gone. Shawny got the letter saying that she is getting removed okay so was he's gonna get deported before when nikki didn't go back. She said i'm failing everybody on every front. I've got my friend here. I've got red. I've got this and and you have to tell shawnee. I'm sorry gotta do this but china got. The latter soon now does that mean nicky's gonna come back. Chinese gone gone probably right so more guilt yes for nikki and not even being able to say goodbye. He's gonna be devastated so nick. He's got a lot of loss right now. China lack on on all right since you about that character arc from the beginning i mean between the drugs and everything and now she's really pulled it together at this. These are just hammering yeah yeah so i'm. I'm anxious to see where things go with this. <hes> mm all right. Should we talk about oh and and lorna told nikki that vinnie came to see her and took the baby away isn't coming back doc so nikki's upset because she can't figure out what's going on. I'm hoping she can call all right did she. She any and find out what's going on or use. He was one of the phones and check his facebook or something. That would show them that. The baby died were like yours. I don't know how she'd have a number for vinnie but she could probably probably figure it out figure out something well. She convinced jim on facebook or something and do something. She's not getting a clear story all arnot and so. I'm hoping that that happened so she could better help her by getting the truth. <hes> <hes> all right so we've got suzanne lally. I'm going to colored detective. Suzanne detective suzanne and lally <hes> are trying to figure out. I love that they named the one chicken that died was lady catcher tori <hes> so that was a highlight for me and lady critic lady catch a tornado data to the lady ketchup tories dad <hes> and suzanne knows it was murdered they blame the thirteenth hence the name of the episode so <hes> so and then i love and says we're gonna bury it and pretend it didn't happen in lally goes. This all feels so familiar because they sure did that before. Okay <hes> the other thing that happened. We find a dead chicken. Lally immediately goes into conspiracy ass like it was shot from here. Oh my god oh my gosh so phantom for she was right on the thirteenth chicken. Yes i know it was you and threw it checks out and then doug eh trying to advise suzanne so she's talking about the chicken murder and and she just keeps putting questions dot n. Suzanne's head and driving suzanne zan crazy so she's like well. What if you're in the shoe and she's like no no. It's more of a therapeutic module and then dig- it's like like are you sure you have the right chicken and then she finds another dead chicken what if what if it's not that and then looking at it from the top funk that god i love it. It's just like is she saying mind alone. She's like oh. No i better have the right chicken chicken and then <hes> and then alvarez's like what do you have that chicken in it. Why do it in such a small compartment. Oh my god so funny <music> only sell. We didn't get any resolution on the chicken though there is a serial ching. There's a new chicken a new kind of chickening joining us. It's a chicken name. Oh so anyway. We've got <hes> we've got piper to talk about. The piper sirloin is good. It's it's good and i'll tell you why it's good. It's pretty it's not because of piper at certainly not because damn larry you gotta hate him but but it is we got we got resolution. Yeah like we got larry and eh here. Let's start with why so seldom piper are in that fancy a yoga place now they're like not yoga place assaulting yes and all the work and and they were having lunch and piper tells her about the artisanal soap company right that'll united to that that she had started and she's like actually was really getting to be successful. We were in barney's and whatever and zelda tells her to contact her former a co worker co owners and make resolution didn't tell them it was larry didn't tell her it was ex husband so then <hes> <hes> so she ends up telling her the story she calls layer await. I wanna say this line from zelda before she calls larry doing because i loved this this because piper says i can't call him because of how we left. Thanks and zelda says if you contact them how you left things is no longer longer how you left threat. I was like you know what not every break-up or leaving. Things needs that resolution but when you think back on times where maybe something ended oddly or you're hesitant because you've you feel like there's some residue. It's like yeah but you could you could resolve solve it doesn't mean it's going to be a positive resolution. It might be your chance to go back and say you know what i never got to say. Screw more. Let's talk and and we'll let it will let it be what it is but i loved ones. Oh will said that it really nerve with an i actually did this with a friend a year or so ago and oh i hadn't spoken to quite a few years and i wrote her and just said i just wanted you to know that i realized that i was a a judgmental jerk and and i've really worked on myself in the last couple years and i just wanted you to know that i see who i was than what i was doing and i'm so sorry and and i just wanted you to know and how to change and she wrote back and said okay. I don't what what are you asking for. I was like i'm not asking for anything. I just wanted you to know that i'm sorry in that. I recognized it fixed it and she said well. Did you wanna get together. I was like oh. I i mean if you did i would. I would probably get together but i'm not looking for friendship necessarily but i just wanted you know and now we get together. We've got together twice ace. I think since twenty nine getting it's been thirty two. That's why you're not getting one <hes> but but it does i mean sometimes sometimes it works and she was mature enough to be able to say you know what are you looking for. Did you wanna actually see you know like go out like so. We're like well. We we could go to lunch went to lunch and oh and we've that ensues although was right yeah so in that situation but there are other relationships i have that i have had to leave for safety reasons. Yeah you know for how you raise. It is how you left an oil. It needs to be done because i can't let atkins doesn't mean what she said doesn't mean everything relation roses. If you left this you feel left like will or like you like you. Kinda went. You know what i was a real jerk like. I didn't know i was being a jerk. She had some residual stuff. Go ahead. Just talk to them if they say no. You can write it off like you know what. I tried well and that was kind of what i figured to as i would just go. I'm just gonna put it out there so she knows that yeah. I i see it and it doesn't mean it takes away which she did. It doesn't mean that that there that she doesn't have any responsibility or that. I see a ceo is all my fault but it was. It's like oh god yeah really noticed that woke up and saw my part was this and i'm really sorry and i just wanted you to know that i have worked worked on it and and i recognize it and i don't want you to feel like and i blame you know like that. I thought it was all your fault interesting in this scene wind. She calls larry's just like oh. Hey it's you polly obviously guilty and john lewis yeah but when they went to dinner. I think polly was is fine. I think it all kind of smoothed out in a different way. Was it a hundred percent. Are they going to hang out. No never while in palais tells them that that she's pregnant agnete and they're having a son right which was also she was feeling feeling awkward and guilty right you know because they had the affair around piper and ask eh children now look but but piper doesn't care no got sola. Piper learned that moment yeah you don't i don't care aca. She doesn't want to be with him but another revelation that happened here. Yeah is we found out that zola and piper are not sleeping. They're not intimate intimate that was trans but piper would like to be. I would sound war i would've i had assumed they were but it came out here that no that's not happening opening a purpose like no i'm married but alex is treating it as f- like oh yeah you're just doing whatever and it is definitely. That's what's worse going going that way. Because this is more real shift. There was overly yes. This is there at this point. It's an emotional affair and it is working very close clo very quickly gathering momentum to be a full-fledged affair were and she's not being honest with pipe with alex and she's up being honest with herself. How much this hour how far this is going and then she's like. Oh no. I'm i married and it's like you're not acting married friend. Nobody's seeing you married yeah. <hes> okay so alex in the meantime was calling piper and piper was ignoring her phone phone calls. That's not married right. That's not i'm in a relationship. That's i'm with zelda and i don't want you interrupting which that was optional affair was mirrored later when piper called alex and alex put declined yeah so their relationship is not only rocky. I think it's it's it's it's almost done <hes> and then <hes> <hes> let's see anything else we see them at the end and they're like hugging and then <hes> piper. I keep getting a mixed up today. Piper started smelling zelda's hair and she's like i. I really am i. I you know all about the shampoo that you're using and they're kind of getting more and more in mets and <hes> <hes> definitely not friend. Although i do a okay sometimes my friends do something like that but at all your hair like yeah or like oh you smoke in the huddle. I can't say on here. What if she's listening okay. That'd be awkward. Nobody his smelled me. We were standing right next to me. We've talked about it like five times because we keep laughing about it but if you don't remember but that's because we are we you know like that's a goofy thing. It's not a sexual sexual thing. It's funny but <hes> but it's <hes> but i don't want who are if she's listening. I want her to think that i'm calling out that it's a weird weird in spectator in my hair here. Here's my oh so. She smelled drool now ships she size good people think i smoke it. So maybe that was yours. That was coming off. You and that's why you can't yeah so so <hes> tropical storm going on yeah so anyway <hes> that was awkward so by but yeah. I think that in this particular case is it is definitely she's cheating at this point. She's before they had an open relationship and alex aware of what piper was doing now. She's doing it secretively and now at this cheating will and i don't know if paper was aware it was cheating. She's aware she is aware now and i don't think she was aware when it started. I think she really thought like no. I'm just this is cool. I can be friends with this person and we have a similar perspective. It's crossing or cross but at the same time ellison crossover to and i am not saying that but i'm saying in in piper's right for is for piper she needs to tell alex should tell ex but you know once you get hyper. They're lynn. When she was calling about two right she may they have been calling to say. This is what's going on. We don't know that <hes> and that'll be very telling going forward if if she reveals that pretty soon in here and is like look this is what's going on then then alex had had mccullough right behind piper and didn't reveal anything. She's acting like now now this season. She's been like that so i think it'll be really interesting to see where that goes and if if if piper has matured will point that she can confront this that would be a big step for the character. Yes i agree compared to what we saw shane i met that piper is a very different. She needs to tell her before she does. Anything forgot got her. She needs to say i have to. I'm developing feelings for zelda right and we're going to be a one night. Stand and not me. This is like we this is an issue and then alex can choose to do with that what she will if she doesn't if she wants to make piper feel bad and pretend it's only her while she's been cheating on her with a color kulla. That's her choice but i don't expect alex to be a standup guy but piper needs this redemption. I think i agree. I hope she. I hope she does it editon. I hope it doesn't end with like we're going to see more of these. Collapsing relationships as you may see see that i think that piper has to have redemption and did you see that in every single storyline. It was all about hugging. Yes the row. Every single person had been like felt like you know hugging where the resolution the redemption or whatever happened everyone yeah you know because it it was when when dixon and maria hot right you know like <hes> these were all big thing you had nikki hug gain gain. You had <hes> i i mean i. I can't remember exactly all of them but we said it while we're watching another one yup hug during the one thing <hes> zelda and piper hugged at the end and that's when she realized oh crap i'm totally attracted to you <hes> and so you had <hes> trying to think there <hes> it seemed like all the way through it was always about hugging. Yes it's kind of interesting. It was it's an interesting episode are done yeah all right. I'm gonna do the business part of it. <hes> follow us on social media follow us on instagram and facebook book twitter look up oranges new black podcast or orange podcast and we have all that in the show notes to it's on our website you you can follow the links in the show notes to get you to any of that. <hes> the facebook group is definitely work. Great a lot of people commenting in there a lot more discussion than we've ever had. Keep it common. I promise you in one of these last couple of episodes here. We're gonna roll through those comments and we're gonna spend a little time talking about it and then we'll probably do something where we can recap some of that before we go back and you season so there you go. That's it. I have nothing more to say. I have nothing say inmates.

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Whipped Cream And Sour Patch Kids - Featuring Ari Lennox

The Friend Zone

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Whipped Cream And Sour Patch Kids - Featuring Ari Lennox

"This week's episode of the friend zone is brought to you by talk space the online therapy company that lets you message a licensed therapist from anywhere at any time with talk space therapy is as easy as sending your therapist a message, no commute, no. Leaving the office? No. Squeezing in an appointment during your lunch? Hour and no judgments. Samachar the perfect therapist for fraction of the price of traditional therapy go to talk space dot com forward slash his own and use the code zone to get forty five dollars off your first month and show your support for this amazing show talks base therapy for how we live today. I'm so excited about this weekend. You guys actually do have a church announcement and it said on this Friday, September twenty. First, I'm so excited that I'm going to be speaking on a panel with black for his new wonderful. Our will east Atlanta love letter is going to be free. And first come first serve lookout on my social. Media for details over the next few days. But since the really exciting panel with myself, passport Cutty Carucci black talking about relationships and love and sex and all that funded. So it Lanta I will see you guys this Friday before. I'm in Toronto for the friends on live speaking of all black and his exciting new album said Lennon love letter. So I'll see you guys Friday, Atlanta, check out my social media, my Instagram for all of the details. Welcome to the. This is the friends. With the Nigerian 'Grande while loop or whatever the fuck. That's so that is. Would you like it again? Got it that she was going to watch off beat one. That's. Leap, whatever the fun. Now I think we need is one more go on 'Grande while loop or whatever the fuck, fuck well, call. What was. This week as we do with all other weeks. It's always important. Start off on a high note in electorally, right? And to really you know, source that from unorthodox places with still places of death, right? So this week sources, none other than Cardi b. or as I like to call her Cardiff be okay this like, you know, Judith, Cardiff I, I don't know. I'm so tired of you. See it, don't you? Okay. So this week's clip from comes from Cardi b. she was reading referencing the charts and success where she was, and I love the fact that she celebrates that and she wanted to, of course make note if she doesn't just say, I'm number three. She names everybody else around, right, no matter what. And I think that the beauty in this clip is that at all costs against all odds, you have to go out of your way to show love to others. And that's what Cardi b.. It's a, she didn't know how to pronounce the child's name. You know what I'm saying? However, she said, do a Lupu, whatever the fun. I just feel like he's souls. The good intentions that you have as a soloist. Yeah, just on a human level, you ought to be inclusive. So this week's message is of inclusivity. Celebrating all costs. Okay. Whatever it takes to celebrate the person you do that, and we got that from Cardi b. and so the hash tag this week is w. t. f. because you have jobs and stuff, and you know, you can't really do that. So speaking of Cardi b. defect that she put a video and you know celebrating others where she's telling people that, you know, she put up a picture of her address and she thought it look nice. And then she put up a picture of her addressing the aftermath, and it was the next to let me pull it this picture for you are Instagram side. We have with them. So less she posted that? Yes, and it's uniform. Yep. Said it was the art piece. Okay. So all of that being referenced noted, you know what I'm saying? Taking note of most importantly, said, I just have a couple of questions actually throttle of questions. 'cause there's three. I like to call these cute TNA. That's right questions. They need answers and also questions that negative is asking. Right. Okay. That's what it is. Question one. We'll Jennifer Williams Dionne Warwick. K. Michelle shawny o.'neil Mariah Huq and Disney's Bambi ever find out what the hell that smell is. Question two. Which one of y'all said that Reese Witherspoon Academy Award winning actress and eve Grammy award winning singer and talk show host, look alike. What. Three. In this one, I really like we really need an answer to saw the one way to find out as well. If phenomenal singer Sampha. Here we go. Has a baby. A little bitty baby. Will the baby cry like the milk was too hot. So it would be things being as the most importantly, understood. I would like to take this opportunity as we always do to welcome one. Welcome all to the friends on which is your weekly look into things mental health, mental wellness and mental hygiene. Because who in the hell wants a musty brain. I know I don't. Hey, Fran. Thinking to a warning before the show is I'm sure somebody driving his swerving right now more. Dionne Warwick was part of the cash like, okay. Basketball, a hail cats. So can you imagine Dionne Warwick on fucking basketball? Why not come to play with you? Tammy. Listen, let me tell you sometimes takes takes some Tammy. All weekend was amazing. I had a great weekend. I'm celebrated some great friends, birthdays and did a lot of work this weekend. Speaking of happy birthday to Jay, Jay. Happy birthday to crystal go to of our friends. Birthday to them. We actually celebrate it together, which was amazing and hilarious, who's a room full of funny ass people. So you know, I was laughing away. Chicken pieces. The pieces was hidden in the box. That s and the biscuit. Sante, my weekend was amazing as ended it with a little crystal gene as well. Anna j divall. So we actually had a game of spades, but I'm not gonna say anything further than that because skate spades is really, really black. I was not trying to ride on purpose. That was really funny. Oh, yeah. Weekend was amazing though. I got a lot done. I have a new project coming up. I just have to artwork for it now and I'm just working China. Make some really cool shit happen for people to enjoy. So yeah, that was my weekend. What about you friends? It was good. I was in Joshua tree, had the Joshua tree stopped with my toy. Thank you. Amazing. We had it at the integral trial Integra, which is some dove alien ship. Right? It was expired, the real honesty yesterday can't believe we have an event there and the women were awesome. We literally just chilled on this ranch just being dope and flying having amazing conversations, good food and I loved it. I'm just happy. I'm happy with my tour this year. I think it's exactly what I'm supposed to be doing. So I feel very good about it. Josh at the Integra Trump friends. Right. And then the next stop is in public. Obvi- obviously you guys in next month Sedona is already sold out thinking guy so much with that. And then the last Apas London you will be sending out the responses to that the emails this week. So definitely keep an eye out and then that'll be it for activating toge. I can't believe this year flu. Where we can put trench coats on, come to the London show, but I ain't gonna say, 'cause y'all know, no one's going to have serious conversations about life of Yaro left. I thought it was about Jerry curls ain't tour. At the very least we will be in Toronto this weekend, September twenty seconds. So you can still get tickets at the friends on lap dot com. And you'll also be able to catch us in Charlotte, October fed then Seattle, October, thirteenth in Washington, DC, December fourteenth. Again, VIP is limited so doubt in some cities. So just go ahead and get your tickets. So we told you as last week that we had a blast at the HP union in Memphis. Yes. The southern Heritage Classic was a blast was amazing. It metoo yet. Tailgater before, but I did not tell gated Memphis before. Okay. Well, now's my friends, tailgate period. It was super cool experience. Everybody was sold. Oh, you're up to everybody at Jackson state in Tennessee, stayed on him Tigers. Right? All the Tigers tiger's versus the Tigers right Ryan. The women join us on stage. We had a Lum NY from nineteen seventy putting the song game on what it was like on campus psych, mount bunk beds in the dorms like, oh, my, it was just dope supposed to have women from all walks of life and ages, and your perspectives with people that were like grandfather, Dan, or where renting their family or especially the young lady who was from the islands just to have an experience with black culture. Amazing, but we're going to keep it moving actually going to stop in Birmingham with that one called the magic city classic. Seven really excited about. But before we promote that part, we want to actually play a small clip of what they call the HP c union break where we got to jump into the audience and ask people a couple of questions. Check it out. Now, what would you save is your favorite part of the HP experience that you think you wouldn't find anywhere else? Yeah, definitely. The unity at dachshund state is really what made me feel at home. I'm so far away from home. So it was really a great it. Many feel comfortable being injected stay in that made me want to join things. I became a part of s g I became a part of bible study group. I'm currently on my classes my year classes, president, and so. And so it just a lot of things that I never thought I would be doing that I've just easily just feeling comfortable enough to say, okay, well, maybe I could do some more things that that is out of my comfort zone originally. So I didn't know I wanted to go to any necessary college, but I watch college on TV and from the stations that I watched, it wasn't the same. So I bought air Apostol, you know, sweatpants and everything at once I got to see state university, we were dressed down. Okay. You went to class with heels. You went to class with suits, so I had to change my whole or you know, one thing about the black colleges, they are all fashion, show guy. You don't matter which will wherever when you go to people are dressed, they wanna know that are dressed high school was like ground Celaya player. Figure out what you wanna do college was the place six for SEO so well, once again, it was very doped to have all their perspective from all those different young lady. Eighties and very soon we will be tailgating in a city near you to get your perspective. So join us, it was very fun. Like the scientist said, the young ladies represented. The fellows were presented to that. We interview head us cracking up laughing here, so there's going to be so much more than when we stop at McDonald's h. b. c. union at the magic city classic like France earlier October twenty. Seventh in Birmingham, Alabama. We can't wait to be there. I know there's gonna be some special guests in the audience at that to a stop. So it's gonna be really, really special. So once again, we will be there at the McDonalds HPC union at the magic city classic in Birmingham, Alabama, October, twenty seven. So look out for more details about that and come check us out at the tailgate saw, can't wait to see all and the gate of your tails. Eric. So we have a very special guest. This Rayleigh. We have our Lennox joining us on the show. We have a segment on this show on the music section called listens lately where we share everything we've been listening to, we'd send to highlight more like up and coming indie artists to kinda give them a boost. But I will say that I probably have mentioned, do at least. 'cause I'm a genuine, genuine fan of your sound, your songwriting. So the happy here is a pleasure. Here pick your brain right. Time. Coming on. So I was asking you earlier, like, you know, was off limits, and I was making sure as tally I'll watch a couple of interviews not ask you the same old shit. Everyone knows your signs. Gene Bill, right? Everyone knows you got signed in two thousand fifteen, and I've listened to one nephew. You were saying that the way that you got discovered with dream VO was that you had a collab- with omen shutout to omen, rapper signs and dream Bill. And through that your music was circulating dream VO. And then before you knew it, they flew out to lay signed you. So that's how she got signed you guys. Thank you. I'm glad you got to say. Okay. That we, we are trying to make. You really is up in your. Well. So he's my question jumping on that when you got signed the first night that you whether you analysis so you weren't home, but the first night, let's say you went back to the hotel room or you were staying. How did it feel after the day you got signed when you went back where you like, holy shit, y'all? I don't really remember. I think I'm might have been doing over 'cause I was driving for over and I might have been, like you mean like signing on the dotted line or one leg. Got it. They said because as big too, well, I didn't believe them when they say. I'll wait until the documents are before me. Like win the document randomly presented itself EIB me and just and we were in Miami, I believe, and we just signed it in a hotel real Ratu. You. Freaking out for the rest of the day. I was. I wanna take a picture, but he was like, oh, you'll have to post that. Like he was China like, oh, no, like. Zach, you remember a lot of artists when they sign, you know how you have that picture of them smiling. At the desk. Go from that day that you signed to you releasing for. I mean, nothing really much change. Like I was at the shelter lot like Kohl's studio and still creating still recording on my own laptop and then sometimes recording with as I think one of the last songs recorded on my cheat, Mike and Mike cheap laptop, Liz Niger is so. Dow wasn't a transition from recording yourself on your laptop to because one thing I think people don't realize that jumping behind a booth like a real expensive Sumio is not easy. Right. And I always had a taste of both, but I do prefer recording myself because I feel like I can get all those background vocals out without annoying. The engineer. I don't wanna be annoying. And then sometimes like it's like, I know what to do in like, I just wanna get it over with. Right? But no, I'm used to like just letting them do it. 'cause I figure they know what to do right better than me. So. Favorite song off their project tain. That's why ask news your favorite child who's not. Right now, I would say. Damn, I. Maybe night drive, say, nitrile. I'm line. It's probably. It's special to me. I like how was able to create it. And I feel like it was really inspired by tweet like is like tweet vibes. All in there. And if I, if I could just keep like making records with tweet Missy Elliott vibes all in there in like, I'll I'll be more than satisfied in this life. So yeah, cannot tell you random stupid story. There's a song that you have on the project Lila all, which is amazing thing. A friend of mine who's probably listening have listened to that song. He was like, this is all right, and I was like, no, this song is fucking and I'll never forget. Like maybe a week later. He was like your, he takes the move. You're right. And I was like, we talked this song is fucking amazing. Told you shit, and I was like, you don't know. You need to legit believe me. And I was right. I remember I started crying like the second time I because I was like, where are we going with this. Where do you where do you reach to get inspiration to do that? Because your voices on ten imagination. 'cause I never had no real love real romantic love. So I just feel like just me just imagining scenarios of being wanted consistently and unconditionally I was able to create LA LA, LA, LA. What an amazing girlfriend you'll be. Pray that that's the lands you looking at your shit. So I want to talk about DC. I wanna talk about growing up in DC reciprocally about what kind of music you like there's a little, you know, shorty in DC and more specifically, you know, this is the friends on, so we have to keep it hot. Tell me with songs like your parents did not want you listening to that used to sneak in listen to every word for me. It was like cutting me, bad. I wanna sex, you up. Of course, I knew every knocking the bully. Any sort of music which was mixed has. Videos on the box too young. On that one. It was a channel back in the day. Where you could pick music real. You call in the music videos had this like chart, and you would find it would like roll like a guy like the guy. And they had codes. Let's your music video would be Mike nine, nine, six, six. And then our stat and call it pay like three dollars for the video to come up three dollars. Your parents, what the spec seventy channels. Money pay for. So anyway. We listen to the gogo music pop in over you. Listen to. I mean. The. Probably chie Wally law. Not. Yes. You see. I just, yeah, just remember that not being acceptable. All I, it was a real Christian household even though low key, you know, everybody was low key in denial and Bradford. But like. Every time like of Barry. But yeah, I just remember that I didn't know all the words, but I remember like in that and blasted net, a great word to take risks is so close to something profane Ron, literally raunchy, but it's not. It's not. Hey, mama. Licensing. What about gogo though? Because I remember when I went to college, all of my roommates in that were in my area, the dorm off from DC and I knew nothing about DC culture the way out talk. Everything was SEIs than right. I forgot what the gogo music in the Paris ago, jeans and I went, I went back home with them and was amazed at gogo all cher's crazy dues on the street. We went to the club. People would do the footwork and everybody knew how to do it. And I was like, what is this right? I never heard of. It was so weird to me. You know when you like new. Like pots and pans, but then afterwards, I was like, okay, that's only form your your tastes, the music rated into your sound at all. I remember back then like it was all like lime wire. I was downloading everything. So. So she are banned and t c b. I just remember having a CD at row gogo on the most terrible, like terrible handwriting. But like, yeah, just had all my favorite songs at the time. Like roll call quicken. I know this was a wall, lay Wally. Remixed it. But before he did it, the pretty girls was everything. Yes. Yes, he's definitely sexy lady like chains. My whole live mal, all the DC. Listen listeners doing footwork McCarthy. What's your says for writing songs to you? Are you the one that has like a thousand voice notes on your phone lines that come to you? Or do you listen to a beat first and then let it bring sounds and words see you like, do you have a specific process? I definitely like aft to hear fire beat first, and then I feel like it just flows like there's whatever experienced currently dealing with, like I just matched them together and in the melodies it just happens if if the beat is fire like I'll naturally here melodies and it was just all tied together, you know? So. Lives. I just I just fill. It sounds like to I, if it's real, if feels really good at just comes out like vomit. Vomit sounds. Ever feel pressure. 'cause Enos an artist's music is changed. We're back in the day. I feel like projects were story from beginning to end. They would set you up to you learning more about their live for like even the love. It was like, start from them meeting you somewhere in the, you're heartbroken by the end of the album, but now it's a singles game. Yeah, you know, it's not so much about cultivating a sound or a story as it is to you have a hit, right. Do you ever feel that pressure when you are creating? Like is this radio friendly? You know, kenley play this in the club or do you just make whatever comes to make? Whatever comes to me. But yes, there is that pressure when I'm looking at my Bank account, like it's time it's time to connect with some, you know, like I don't know top forty riders, but it's like that aspect of life. I'm not rushing it like I just enjoy like just having fun with my producers that I'm working with. So it could be elite. Could be James could be could be mellow x. or Macedo or co Joe's. Yano Maseko Sieg. X two years year though, yet. Beautiful people. But yeah, yeah, rather just five. I'd rather buy because otherwise it's gonna come off like I'm not being true to myself and I don't want people thinking, oh, she's trying to sell out right. And it's like not not quite not not yet. I get fairly cascade. Oh, can you just tell me the story behind cascade. I was, we have theories. This was a Rama Tom when I was not writing songs about any nigga. It was just, it was just lies. I was walking. I was walking in Charlotte on Fairview avenue, and I flipped the b. j. Diller be in a seal, flip the beat, and I just was like, okay, this feels good. And I think I always wanted like a just vibe, eve fills like just vibe fills to like saying over, and I just remember walking like down Fairview avenue and just coming up with lyrics as I was walking on a sunny day and Charlotte, North Carolina. Well, you make insecure music of really sounds like insecure belongs HBO. Like literally insecure. Thank you. So you're in air Do fan, right. Okay. What's your favorite? Erica? Bye. Do song town. Okay. Right? Probably between green eyes and Tom's wasted, which party green eyes. 'cause you know, that's like three different right. No matter is grain high. So like it system live. Try to trick me. That part. So over. To walk out. Dope. So if you could collab- with Erica, what do you think you guys with single out town? I would just let her lead, and I was just saying whatever she wanted me to say. You know. So yeah, whatever she wants to saying feared out, I'll find an emotive inexperience, always find a dope when like artists who are newer to the game, connect with Eric music that way because it's so richly deeply rooted in Seoul and so to connect with the music that way means you have an ear for that, and then it makes me listen to this. This is like a dust and some stupid, Dustin shit. When I find out that artists are here could buy do fans and makes me now listen to their music and search for like the soul roots and it just it opens my eyes to like a whole new section of their musicality. Right? And so I did. That's what I wait for you to get talking to be like the worst show. Erica. There's definitely elements like all throughout music from her from Amy wine ounce. Definitely the Whitney, Anita, Mariah little Fantasia, low Fantasia absolute. Chris, that Michelle, John legend. Blowdrying Angelo. You might be his soul system. And I saw you even said elephants jarrow when the inspiration now I did also sees con Yay yet one of urine space. And so are you able to separate the art from the artist, right, right. That love someone so much to see the, you know, different. It is different. Now I focused just tend to focus on the things that changed my life, and I'm just so thankful that he put me on so many artists like the whatnot slight. Oh. That is the on late registration. Yeah. Yeah, he he has mad samples at changed my life. So I just focusing on how like he was just a great teacher to me, like, you know, at feel like who knows? Maybe I'll be different artists to him five, seven years. So it's like, oh, no, he can't. I just gotta take it as you know, we are all grown up. We all change in like, you know. Yeah, let people be where they're told you that. What do you like to have inside the studio when you record? Man too? Early? Good day Jameson. James wine. Sour patches with cream whipped cream. Love that all the time. Whip cream. Yeah, need it. Yeah. Okay. Cream, right, creating anyone, honestly, great value with cream. Just go plano cool whip or. With any of them will. The studio Lucas, our way you don't. You know, one of those needs like the lighting and sense, and no, you ratchet the better. Like this, I need just realistic vibes. Gracie usually have it filled with people. You need to be like Dolo. Oh, in the booth. I like to be Dolo, I guess. But like my friends, anybody could come through be nice. It can be intimidated, though an intimidating if they're like paying attention really closely to what I'm saying and stuff. But yeah, it's long as I feel like they're not really paying attention is is cool and who would not be paying attention. I was going to fight myself but paying attention. I'm just going down. Nurse are like. Say, suck in the solid stuff off, spitting them out like. Oh. All right, little sour dust off. You know what I'm saying? Diamonds dance on the. 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That's t. h. i. v. e. m. a. r. k. AT dot com. Slash friends. Oh, then you mentioned that to get racial fair songs. You would just come. You would make things up out of your machination, but everyone who has a friend who's an artist knows that y'all be writing about your friends, love stories. Oh, anything we tell ya any? All of my artist friends are always here parts of shit. I've told. Oh. Do you ever do that? Do you ever take an obviously not in a disrespectful way? Like try split your friends, you know, and you write true-to-life. Do you ever see yourself kind of weaving stories from the things that are happening to the people around you? I think so. I can't really remember specifically, but I'm sure like I've, I've just let all things definitely like people's love. Life inspire me and me is like I might love life is the main inspiration. But if there's nothing there, I think I draw from like my favorite movies like, you know, like fifty first dates or apocalypse dole. Even I think there is. I don't know. I just I let it come from wherever you know. So whips creams became a. So let me up these lyrics. So you saying you've been eating lip cream and having vivid dreams of your facing. The people on TV screens, even everywhere at wish I didn't care about while is old trifling negative. Understand my word that believes but whatever. But yeah, it just really getting over him in me exposing addiction, which is sugar. So in like probably shopping in like not really managing money well and attack squadron, extra low in gym with hopes that nigga see this these dyes and asked for my number while it. It never worked out that way. And I was telling the girl, I loved how you promoted whipped cream on Twitter, the threat, and that was genius. He, you know how people thread the stories now on Twitter, w I let me tell you all about this day and then they'll tell you, but you use that and kind of walked us through your inspiration for the song that to me was genius marketing. Thank you in the end. You like, here's a song. Listening, please listen to this damn song and watch the video. Great. In the video, I was try a few days ago how fairly recent I watched because I was stocking watching the video also watched where you did the performance and the dog came up with the guitar was fun. Yeah. Tired while she was singing while she was thinking this dog came up on our nose the whole time I was trying so hard not to laugh like that whole perform. It's like the dog was just wow. When he was puking on the floor, people couldn't see like people. The dog was walling. He thought the Qatar was like a dog toy or something. He was just lose ship. It was one though it was guitar Camby jarring. So you've got to kind of buy into, I know you're going to play the guitar. Then. Cool. Just walking on the street and you hear the dueling banjos. Shows. This with the dog. It was an amazing studio in a layup. I'm so mad. I can't think of the studio right now. But yeah, we were just in the studio me and my friend, Joe on the guitar. And this dog. Apted. So you mentioned that lay. This is a good transition. So you recently left yet to get the hell out of there. And I heard you say that I get the hell out of l.. L. Crossman she, that's how deep it was. Which was interesting to me because I'm trying to get the hell out of here. Go to say that I was like, not holding one, you know, obviously we're different people on curious, what made you shoot like a bat outta? Hell you know, I think I was just to board, so there was nightlife and then there was there was music opportunities. And then I thought I was gonna Dibble and dabble in acting stuff, but I realize I've really wanna be singer. So outside of the singing there was nothing else to do outside partying, and I was partying with the same people over and over like in the industry. And I was just like, I wanna buck any of y'all. So I'm you get the hell out and I'll even, I'm sure it'll be the same here. You know, already feel like it's just mad people I've never seen before that are in the industry or maybe in different industries in general, which dope, like, I don't know wherever I was going it just all my friends was always there was not. I don't know. But maybe if I have like. A more mature different perspective. Like in the future, it could be exciting for me in the future like moving back to LA. But I think I need east coast. I need that real hustle and bustle like I feel you green trees like city life, real niggers. You know, sexy, black niggers that recognize sexy, black woman, Monday. See, okay, hold it. No more. Okay. Hold it. No more m. f. a. listening. Oh, yeah, check it out. She is literally put it on the line for you. New to the area. Okay. From LA sick of it here. 'cause she wanna be because see half to be literally giving you all the cliff knows if you. Farkas don't capitalize on this. You are literally on your own. I'm sorry, feel my brethren, brethren, mount up. It's time to literally okay Migas. Now, let's getting formation. I'm sorry. Moved to New York here, New York resident. Oh, shoot. See. Yeah, I'll be around. Yeah, Brooklyn. I'll be nicer. What are you hoping New York will aside from, like you said, trees, even though I'm like, which can we talk about how real New York has. Different of more. 'cause I've been watching you live. You know, what are we seeing you on your live? My my niece, my smoke Abbott. Oh, me too. So we don't really get into the unless you want to after she was like. A critter. Some that was plaguing. You wanna live. Which which critters. Happen on more than one occasion, but I couldn't really pinpoint. Like ABBIE. There was one time we thought there was a scorpion in my apartment. It wasn't. I which mentally deranged out. It was. It was in north Hollywood. Exactly. There's no scorpion think in nor- Polly. It was it want to be in like. No, no. No, it was like a piece of of of this fake plant that I had like. On on the floor. I thought he was a scorpion. I thought I was gonna die. I was having I was. I was damn near almost crying. All I have was my friends on like keep me like calm, like I was freaking out. So that was one case. And also one of the strikes I was like. I to see on the east coast and the east coast of critters met. Whoa. Made up scorpions. No, nothing's been Sam. Give it about a week, right? He got critters. Got anything on neighbors. Yes. If that will play me. No. Hopefully you go see him running around at night. Away you is like you more in they way. So it's not like they running around trying to get away if they literally walk past good morning, are back in the wall. They'd be walking. Did you vote on Thursday? Okay. What's happening, marshy scared. Social media, whatever we shared about using you really open and I saw your Twitter not to bring you back to that base, but you really open last month about possibly quitting music because you were going through a lot. There was some personal issues that kinda made you be like, fuck all of this. And when I saw the tweets, I was like, okay, I was praying that you didn't quit music, but also in his stand that your mental health is the priority because how can we expect music if you don't feel good, and you said that tweets now, obviously I'm not gonna ask you what it is that happened, but I'm curious what made you feel like quitting music? That was the first thing that you mentioned in the tweet? Well, I just felt like the situation that I was going through made me feel like this music shit is so small, like it's just everything that like I was going through in like the music guess. I just didn't seem like that horrible in compared to like this shit. I felt. That was playing me like just family members passing away and like just romance like troubles and shit. In I, I even finance troubles, like just allow things of and then things that I myself got myself in. So I just, I don't know. I had a breaking point and I was like, fuck this music, but it really had nothing to do with music. It had nothing to do with my label or any person in the industry was just, it just goes to show like, mentally, you're not good like your work in really be. 'cause I was just like, oh, bet. I don't give a fuck like I could really just leave like just, you know, live in some island, but how the fuck do that with no money. And I. Like this is the easiest job. Technically, I feel like music has been the most consistent thing in my life. So I, I realized like I don't wanna work at Wendy's again, doing eating the nuggets inland frying them. I don't wanna do that. And music is pretty simple, and it's a gateway to travel. So I don't know. I just I just got it together, you know? And I decided, okay, we'll from now on. I gotta take care of my mental. 'cause yeah, like one of these shows like a week ago, like I had a panic attack or a couple of weeks ago at a pan attack before before show, and it showed me like you're gotta stop putting like my shit on like that. The back burner, whatever. So it's like, yeah, just relax them things. And what are you? I'm curious when he, no, you have a panic attack or like you said, the break that made you even tweet that rent. What are your copay. Ping mechanisms, coping mechanisms, whether owner bad, but what are they when things are kinda rough? Well, luckily with that panic attack got to perform and I felt an energy of the people like that. Phil feuding that built their -peutic going to an animal shelter and playing with dogs like that makes me happy. Like I can't have a dog 'cause I'm tried lack barely take care of myself. So like I can't. You know, that's too much, but that and facing my fears, like getting on a flight, like just little things like have helped in talking to somebody talk space. I'm gonna freak look into them. But I mean hearing about it and ineffective. Y'all mentioned it. That'll. Clark spices amazed at, like, I think, especially with someone will your schedule because you can text them base. Imagine face army therapists that's so dope in it's like different therapists. No. Is your same one? Okay. It's just the different way to connect switch him up. About new. Though. 'cause you like even like you're speaking voices pretty. Eighty. Okay. What's wrong? And what about with? 'cause you know, with the passing of MAC, Miller ends. What was it? What's her name? Well, no, because I'm I'm talking like drugs. Demi Levato and it seems like the pressure is not just in the music industry, but pressures in general. That's why asked about your coping mechanisms. Seems obviously people have different ways of facing or not facing what they're going through. Do you ever see the challenges of trying to create while going through? Really like real shit. Oh, yeah. Because sometimes like the writing will just get too dark and just like, I know nobody want your shit. Instead. Oh, okay. All try to. I don't know, make it prettier, make it a pretty dark aloof into. Net pack again. Remember that when darkness Advil. But I think whip cream to me was like the perfect like combination of, I guess, dark, but maybe a bit of hope as well. Like a little bit of Sassine is so like, yeah, but wait, we were, where are we going about MAC in? I think just the fact that he had his tour coming up even tweeted recently. Like I just can't wait to get on tour. So that's why it was shocking for everyone to know that clearly he was still battling these heavier things on his mind. And I know for us as creatives, a lot of people don't even know what we're going to write like sees the content, right, you know, in. So when you might take a little longer puts the fat in people sending you that gift of judge Judy. Right, right, right. You know. And then even you sharing that about things being difficult, only adding the comments, insult people even being like, oh, you should be glad. You know, you're gonna mazing position them like they can has nothing to do nothing like they forget the humanity of real whole human. Wake me human and I go through shit and men like, yeah, it was. It was wild because like actually like the day I was having a panic attack that was the day MAC Miller past, and I think it was probably just filling like damn like this sucks and just really like getting in, I don't know, just really feeling like sad about that and really worried and sad for my friends and even friends that I know like deal with, you know, different culpa mechanisms and stuff. And I just remember getting on stage in San, like, I'm, you know, I'm feeling sad and some guy was like, oh, no, we not. We. I see you something like he met well is he was, he was really adamant on me being happy, and that was like the perfect like that was like the reality check. Like sometimes people, they will never get it like they'll never get like, I don't know. Like the point, the point. Actually a coping magnet mechanism specifically for moments like that. This is like take away from. Inet moment on stage right? And like, you know, you get that sorta responsive disown grateful. You know what I'm saying? Response. Mona. Winning Rome when. Let me tell you something most acceptable. And then also effective messaging for him to have the dog that see, what more does he deserved in your air. Next time are get airy. A little breeze. All right. Now back when you worked at Wendy's clean the frosty machine. Frosty machine. No, but all this is bad. I guess I shouldn't say shit really. So. Shake shake, so unites working food service too. I remember they were cleaning out the soda machine one time when these and there was roaches. All sorry. But yeah, that was like a traumatizing day when I realized that was what was going on. Man. The roaches did. And it's we're really sharing Minnesota. That just asking. Yes. Still. I feel you. That's why you don't get. No. So you get a strawberry lemonade. Everybody. Right. So you can see him on. Top of the star. Got to be feeling sad and stuff in New York are anytime you want to walk around Brooklyn. Talk about people under breath. The channels tweet. Participate. To support. Also get into some ratchet tree. What do you watching on TV these days? Wow. My six hundred pound lies. Frying chicken endeared you to. Chicken being fried in the bed talking about their way. There was another was a show with this big black family, and it was like, like my six hundred pound life, one hour, six hundred pounds. I can't remember what it was called because it was about the black family like it was literally about this whole. It was a woman. She had a little frying pan 'cause she was too big to get out of her bed. So going to the kitchen, she would just cook in a little panel of visionary, say. Say she was that's smart. What is heartbreaking? Yeah, you'll be watching. Watching it. Have you watch is I'm stuck on ninety day fiance that. Now. Chris to the other one. I love after love after lockup. People get out of jail or some of them getting out of jail. Are. What do they call them? And they look like. If you thought about what. How can I say this is some of the best casting of television shot every. Never have I ever. Okay. More true or depiction of a part of life than this? Everything about the cinematography of it. The vehicles there. Everything looks. It's just a fit. Gotta watch. It'll be an escape. I guarantee you be writing song after after luck. It's like a black fam- or there's a black woman on there. And you know, she was in a predominantly white neighborhood. She's to take our kids to LA visit this man. The kids. The daughter definitely did not want to go. She was trying to. Give you somebody to come years before dollars. If you come here and speak to him. The youngest baby was. Tennyson remember what was her name? P the little girl. I just watched it the other day. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So she couldn't have sex with. She she was a Mormon. So she wasn't gonna have sex with them like we can still do other stuff. They went through the car wash audio inside the o.. Yes. What is love after lockdown. ABC family. What we TV it was on TV. TV of course. Two. That's the new one you're listening to on. I listened to what are you listens lately? Fine. Fine would be to you watching love and hip hop all we want. I I haven't lately, but you did. I did. I was I used to lately. Follow what? What was it so bad after Cardi? I think when Carter. That far I stopped watching it, but I was, but I was still wasn't consistent. It was like on and on the. Okay. Go back to music. That out. You're listening to see what have been listening to. I never know what what can. Okay. Whatever. Oh, fuck this. This was on. She like. From any era when you still listening to should. Right, right man, brain thuggish mortgage bones. Yeah, shit. Partly we're gonna. He had to. I know she thought about it. Not about know what she thought about. Wanna, fuck it up or something we're actually in covering needs to do that. Do put in your mouth. Okay. Amazing. So. Saying those women were seeking. They were. Don't you. Once you know, they're. Icebreaker view. Let's say you had the ability to work with anybody debtor alive and these are features producers, you can literally create the dream album. Who are all the people. You'd have a part of it. Many reporting in Marvin Gaye on one song. Oh, shit, and Stevie Wonder guy. Could you imagine. I don't even know everybody saying yes. Mazing voice. Yeah, I love that. You went all the way back. What about artists? Now of one of ours now home. Oh, why? Why. Little skies loose here sky, listenable skies, okay. I just be rented a hip hop, the hip hop station on tunes and all these Lowe's becoming a little scars. Why is this jam in little skies. You got check him out. Okay. Hoping to work out some. A little bow. I will work with. I love Lucy shit who who else. Who else who else would a little, but okay, I'll side of the lows. I would work with van Jez amber Mark on my. Yeah. Live. Saint beauty Omar and Chloe and Haley. L. work with all man. Remarks it a cover of shoddy as. I know she killed. No, just on out about her like two days ago shopping forever. Twenty one and I heard a strong and I was like, this is my fucking life. There was no service because the forever twenty one was in a basement which actually right down the. I was determined. Oh way. Found Bob. We that. I think we try to. Thank you. His way back. I think I don't know much. I was broken. I'll remember though near amber. She's dubbed though. I wish I knew the words. Okay. Outside of a lose the people you've mentioned hip-hop collapsed like hop. Collapse will be some dope people that you like maybe hook for some. Definitely j. I. Yeah, he's been nominal shit earth gang omen. Yes, boss Cole. Lou. Yeah, I dream of Lou Lewis DOE. He's amazing. Yeah, not just hard one of his songs recently. Today's episode is also brought to you by Caspar. Casper is asleep brand that continues to revolutionize. 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I attest to the fact that I have a casper mattress in my casper mattress, redefined what I feel is social have decided to be at home and lay on my casper mattress on my bed more because it is so comfortable then going out and dealing with the drama in the world, and it's a good place to be when I'm playing video games. So now with our fish link, you can get fifty dollars towards select mattresses by visiting casper dot com. Slash fringe zone and using code friends on checkout. That's casper dot com. Slash friends on offer coat fringe zone, fifty dollars off your matches. Purchase terms conditions, comply, apply sleep on. So you were on the for your eyes tore right into down seventeen. What is tore lifelike vows your? I haven't. It's like Hello. Hello is mixed is about tour life. So when. Material point. Gordon. Come and just be signed. And then how'd you even released the album? Your your? Yeah. Yeah. The EP for fun. It was out already, and that's what you were able to tour with, but go from your first project to this massive tore like, how does all it was definitely baby steps 'cause they think wanted to make sure I was ready right in. So I started off a party next door, like in twenty sixteen did. Yes. Okay. Yeah. All right. I wasn't trying to say right. Same may baby subsidy Yinka. No, no. In comparison, the cold core like. People at the party too, but we talk. It was. It was really like holy shit. Like I even know. No, like how like huge coal is so it was party and then it was drawn and thin. And then coal asked me to open up for him, and I got to go out with him during the the change part of his of his of his show when he performed change, I would go out there. Would sing. What was that like tore life is it's a lie on the by oil lined. It was. It was really fun and I just remember getting drunk every day. I remember I remember. Member like getting so drunk one night that I puked the next day. Sorry, acute. The next day in the fact that I was able to perform that night, I don't know. I've never in my life ever thought I, but I guess this life, you can really like train your body to be able to handle the most crazy things. I'm going to try to relax in leg. Never like had that happen toward. But man, I'm surprised that I was able to say, even like, yeah, after puking life. Crazy, late Drennan side. Yeah, didn't wanna let cold right. It was fun. Like every day was fine being the only girl is kind of annoying cause like, you know, I got to see everybody having fun with like the ladies and like I, you know, there was nothing for me. I couldn't like bussey wide open for European person. I couldn't do it. You know? Like I just I just thought of just how I was scared to bussey overseas scared. But yeah. With your Queen. Thank you the Queen of this team. Okay. Saying, I wish I wish I didn't care how didn't care. All right. I wish I didn't care overseas last year, and I wish I had a little bit more fun, but I don't know. I just was thinking too much, but they're still time. It's still. I know new tourists coming true. I'm trying to change my life now. So, but back then I wish I wasn't so scared change it. How change it light. Don't. No. I'm trying to be a little wife or whatever one day like there's no nigga my life, but like I just, you know, wanna calm down. Don't start that. Having fun. You fucking. For this this, what would you have fun. You can the best years. Your life. Okay. And it's only gonna get better. I'm twenty seven. Don't don't. Speed up later twenties thinking I like making wise. So it's cool. No, the as someone who's thirty six when I think of my twenties, I slow down towards the middle of it, and I regret that. Why traveled more kids, more boy out more wasn't so stressed out about what my life meant. Why things in order and stress about the chronological order of things? Like my friends were like getting married right houses, and then I'll rider like, you know, sending out resumes on the internet, and I just felt like I wasn't catching up and now I look back in them like that was my time to be not reckless, but just to kind of like live. And then thirties, you have all the time slowdown, some real shit. Ryan burnishing artists to give you more perspective. You know, you have more bullshit a talk about more negative decipher q. too. To rise above rise up on. No fucking tease slowing down. Fearless dater to, you know, always wondered why singers are more fearless daters 'cause you got the ultimate clad bag. Get back, right? You can always write a song about it. Right, right. Stupid. Has the whole world at somebody and they only will they know it. You know what I'm saying? And they'd burns every time I. Step on. New York. Okay. About to have fun. Arlanda Yemen. 'cause I don't know as his hard parts, are they trying to be like, let me produce your album. You know what the right that marks this one guy. I wrote a song called dusty. It's about his. Oh, he's so sexy, so fucking sexy, but he ain't shit. Any happened ner. He had the nerve to ask me to single and like his brothers song or something hook on his brothers song like Tam. I've really thought you fucked with me, but she just be shit like that. Like at the thinking, people are worthy and in some shit happens or like it's just low. It's just too lustful. Like I could tell like, oh, he's us wanna hit this, right? You know, so this, that's what is a big schmoozing city. I hate for here. Oh yeah. Everyone's a brand. Yeah. A rapper producer. A model DJ hill. She gets always stay on your term. Right, right. Okay. I wish I could do online dating, but I feel like that's. You don't. Have you tried it all? I've tried it any appeal with funny. A lot of people. People that have like from like a friend of mine him in his girlfriend or ex girlfriend, like two years, they met on, I dunno say, oh my God. Yes, it can work is you got to go through a lot of bad fish. Would you like it much exit pictures on plenty of fish. You know, the funny thing about that. I couldn't even see his face. It was just a blurry chocolate on a skateboard that was like, oh, he was cool, and I clicked on his page in his pictures in never showed his space. And I was like, this could be really sketchy. But you know, I messaged him and he was just cool and like we met and he looked kinda scruffy. But you know, best board like he got, he got a shape up for the first time. I was like. This is a time in this. Time. Really. She. Yeah, it was beautiful and wrestles. So plenty of fish and some clippers get your. Get your. You're listening. Question, what was it about his profile that made you even pay attention to? I play. Thank just the chocolate blur on. I'm really loved. And I'm trying. I'm trying to like expand, but it always goes. It always goes back to dark love it. Have been able to do the apps though? Yeah, Phileas nothing there, but yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm just too old school, but I just feel like I, like I've said this before on the show. I like when you meet someone in your staring at each other and playing that little game around the room for like thirty minutes and you smell them near the sound of their voice. I love all of that Campbell. That's me in the absence. Like, you know, you get to see you advertising parts because we and it was and likely rate picky best picture. I ready and it will still some people don't pick their best photos like they'll put up like photos real close, like unscented, uncles and shit. I'm like, why did you put a picture up? Because they like the hair or people to see lashes within the rest of the head space, be opening the picture. Sauce me. Rarely imposing in the in their there was this one man like he was in construction his construction where with like his shirt off, but his construction vessel, and I just thought it was the most. Interesting. So Pierre. So what about how does it go down on the? How's it going. Oh man. They just be like open top open top. It'd be men from who don't speak English, maybe like all been open pens, open. Each reports. Every. Right. But yeah, that's how my hands be are. Like you think. Doing open. Be going down there. I wish a fine ass rapper would hit me up, no, no DM's from like Andre, three thousand all my God. Wish. Mizzle whole snack, but. It's an him here. Really. He lives. Does he like chocolates? I think he does. I don't call me pray. Thank you. Might like to. Call me crazy, but I think he might like music to nesting Nesher fail crow. Right. I swear like every week he's on my feed. Wife. Girlfriend? Oh, I think he does have a girl. I'm saying, kinda one picture. All right. I'll take a picture. Picture, are you excited about dating in New York? No, honestly. Yeah, no dating in general is just been like kinda trash. So I'm not really looking forward to it. I think I'm more excited to like dogs, like being with dogs like animals. M. That's the difference. What are you the thing that you're most excited about about living in New York. Museums being closer to my mom, she lives in Atlanta. Six. And then also being near DC, you know, that's home and like Sam family there and stuff. So yeah, like that's what I'm excited about just being close to real life and it's just beautiful here. Phil like some inspiration can happen. You know. I've seen some weird, very strange hippie, like artsy, Nick is new and I'm just like, that's not going right, and I'm just now absolutely not. Absolutely not. I can't get good only gonna get weirder, really. And then you talked about nightlife on the west coast. Nothing like shit closes. I know like is always open, which means clubs is always open open. Like it's always real. What I was gonna say is noticed that you filmed the cream video in DC. Much to really wear the. I don't know where. Mansion somewhere out here we somewhere in Brooklyn. We did the inside of the house that we were in. It was somewhere on the chair looking. Yeah, that was somewhere. Yeah, but most of it was in DC. So Georgetown Woodley park area you street area. I was getting some soul, angel vibes from your video. And then he was wearing like the colors alone like muster than they're like the Terry Hausa cable. So angel. Launch. Of course, of course, like apprai-. She wanna work me 'cause she's legendary. So I have my little dance. I do. Like salons. When I'm one, I g live like this love her Archie knives. Crazy. Themselves into now want to ask you because your skin. Oh, now as I'm used to be youtuber where, yeah, for years I transitioned out, but I have to ask you about your skin in hair because you are stunning being everytime I've watched interviews 'cause we're probably the same tribe the no makeup kind of lean back Dr. Yup. Yup views. Oh, how does that work in the industry where you know it's expected for you to kinda like be Showtime, glam girl. Honestly, it is a fight to be real. 'cause like I don't know why they all Evan is everybody everybody and they can't help it. They just want the best for me. They always want me to wear makeup for like the important stuff like video. I honestly hated like I, I think like a little bit of a highlighter is cool. Maybe in some like a good lip is really all you need like in light. 'cause I don't know. I just be like when I have all this makeup on me, I'm lying like not being myself like, I'm it's like a, I like in snow shaded people, but I just feel like it's a whole like mask. So mask off for. Trying, but it's, it's it's a respecting to with certain things like I want to be, you know, open to what some people you know suggest. And but yeah, photo shoot in music videos. And having to make appearances. So do they obviously people want you to wear makeup and kind of where dresses and heels? Right? Kind of fight against. I loved dresses. I love hills. I love all that shit, but I, I just feeling like the makeup and then the last time I did like makeup, shoot my face started breaking out and it was just like, yo I can't ever win in my face was itching for like two days, and I. Yeah, like people are like, oh, it's the price you pay like, what? No, I don't have to pay this price. You know. No. Right. Put it on next time. They shoe. Well, you put this shit on and get broke out. Hail. Say right. Tell us what you use skin. I need to know the regimen. The listeners needs to wellness segment. Are you going. Yes. You highs? I use. I use soda. I was sour patch. I don't. No Honey sometimes. So a little soap. One of those natural. Your family have been doing. Some things may blood. Yeah. So what's your moisturizer moisturizer. Yes. One point is was it was men, but now. It's. But now it's beautiful day shin. I, I mean, it's not consistent. What hotel hotel. You know how to make make a little bit of some go along way because when I tell you hotel low becoming in a container. Body with this. Beautiful, natural air. Thank you. Do they ever try to make you like switch it up like no, stay thin? They've been really sweet about like just me being my like everybody like dream Ville of the natural. So it's all good vibes like they're then like they love like when I try like braids, like even before like these, these flaunting braids that have they, I, I remember like doing my hair in like to corals or two French braids. I guess in most of I I was received well, it was received well. And then one of my friends kept calling me bow or like Mike. So that was that was tough. I strengthened me. That's a protective style. Protective. Thrown under this. What are you using it when it's out? Because right now you have bass or what do you have, you know, you're leaving shampoo all that. So I have like a concoction that like with this, I've just been spraying like peppermint oil in like water, so like just to cure like the itching or whatever. And but like other than that, like when my hair's just out like I'll just sometimes teacher oil for the scalp. Sometimes shea butter late. You're like super low maintenance? Yes. Oh, and I also been doing shame moisture the pink, the pig. The coconut? Yeah, avenues. I love that. I think so. Yeah, I think I might just stick with that. Yeah, thanks again to talk space for their continued support, not intermittent that. Sorry, asked but continued support of the friend zone podcast. Fast. Talk space is the online therapy company that led to you message licensed therapist from anywhere at any time. 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Now, let's talk about fashion. Okay. Just because I was remembering the looks in the video outside funding. Did you do the styling or choosing your cell now shot out to Paris? Cole. I was a whole bam of three years ago could not dress to save my life, but Paris has just she's helped me so much. And then like a little bit of my ex to, he taught me how to like be more minimal with my shit because there was a time where I would just wear like a million rains in like just just wild wear. That does did not make sense in even wigs like in, like I believe my ex's leg kind of weird. Sometimes two weeks. It was. Got to. Yeah. Let's her name was legit. Names legit and she was great, Jay. It was literally called Google j. named. She's called j I just, yeah, I would just get real creative dude into a leg up do or whatever or like two weeks, it will be up. Does. Doing. I need to see pictures to win. Yeah. Oh, Junkin love cover that. I have on my YouTube. That's two two weeks. I've really thought I was doing a damn thing listeners pull that up right now. Video. Right. So moving forward as far as style goes, what are some things that inspire you? Who were people in the past that inspired you song wise re really like, oh my God, like the nave. The renaming army shirt on? Yeah, a big. Yeah. 'cause I feel like I don't know that many songs, but I know a lot, but I'm afraid that if somebody might question me on things, I might get it wrong, but I don't worry on especially like beginner riana like music of the sun, like MRs DJ song, replay like questions existing and. Yes. And breaking dish in a breaking dishes like yes, been. Yes. And then of course, anti saved my whole life. Yeah, sounds great. Then you're super laid back even with your style q.. So how much input do you or do you just kinda let the stylish just run with their ideas? Well, I like to keep a real minimal at that. Tell them, I don't like like poofs in arms like don't give me no poofs in. Real simple, like a casual sexiest. Cool. But eventually this is so far off from what people have been seeing me. But eventually I wanna look like Diana Ross. I want to kind of wear sequence like naked looking. I wanna cover my tits lay. I want to cover my air, my boobs. I don't want people to see them, but I wanna wear like seat through like glittery shit. Like nice gown one day when the time is when it's time to. Dress. Dan. Don't put them on the fucker makeup. Well, then I'll know might be into it, but right, put my God. Right. What about this new project that comes out soon? How has that been the process of creating it? It's spin phenomenal. Just been working with my favorite friend slash producer elite, and we've just been building. So he's like, he's like the foundation of the whole project really like he did most of the records Chicago boy, this joint called static. Sorry, speak to me a home. So yet it's like mad, don't records. The process has been great. It's it'll probably come out before the winter's over. Ooh. What did you learn from working on your first one that you've now applied to this new project? Where I learned Dan as an artist as a woman just in general town has artist has a woman. I don't know what I've learned. Just, oh shit. Okay. So while I'm creating these records, make sure they are mixed like to the best of their ability right in there because like make sure like we really focused on finishing the record right then in there versus waiting months and months and months. Because I've noticed like when my friend tries to add like ATar base or like other instrumentation, I get scared like it just sounds to different. Doesn't sound like what I've been listening to what I'm used to in. So I feel like yes from now on, like when I create like we gotta just make sure we have the basis there or you know, that gets put on the records and so that I can get used to what it sounds like right away. Right? Yeah. Are you a good collaborator? Yeah, I think so. You listen to input or do you have to create the most of it first and then slowly ease people in that want to work with the, oh, wait, wait, would when creating music with other musicians? Yeah, like. Producers or like singer, like musician, like because I know if you have someone adding bays or guitar. Sometimes they wanna kinda all feels right, and they should. They should like, do all that you can. But when me elite, we'll be get your fouls day. Something's going to have to come out. Otherwise, it's going to be a whole jam session. We can't have a complete jam session like the entire like verse, and you know the entire song. So like, yeah, like I encourage everyone just do the most the most and then we'll like cut down. Right? I love most. I don't wanna like tell you what to do like just follow your heart. You know what I'm saying and then you got it from there. Yeah, exactly cleanup. They missed them. Right, right. That's well. I want to know. No, I've wanted back. It's not what I wanna know. I just want to dial back to you were talking about dating in New York, right? Not to be all over the place, but I think I said in the vein of you being fearless dater I think you're gonna have the best states in New York just based on the things that you mentioned. You were excited about nine that you're living here going to museums. You know what I'm saying? Nick is walking down the street. You know what I'm saying? Just like how women have sundress season. You know what I'm saying? Well, we have basketball shorts. So many things see how you see a whole. This inside of me. I think you know it's not just a then dialing back once again. Are you saying how you like to make it a pretty dark, right? So now like, you know, just dark with no hope but dark like tinted windows. Through. I'm excited for you dating in New York though, and I really want you to take advantage of that. I guess it's not really a question, but you know. Sound is going to be like now you're going gonna be pulling references from living here. Yeah, I don't know. All knows my dream is to do. Like Amery, why don't we fall in love by. Lives. All one tire life. You know, I want that. I want a teacher, Moses beer. I can find produce something. Let me tell you something. When you working on this, we need to come. Listen. That's all I wanted to so pretty and his soul like sweet, but is ratchet. All you, please. View. Soulful in Brill and like innocent at the same time, like just pretty lifeless. That's the pocket you be though like seriously, like, that's why I'm about about cascade. Like I remember thinking like this is just talk about the pool. Like it was like, this is like, sounds amazing. That's why with that said, while you are dating New York, there's anybody fucked up speed. If anybody has you question your art or anything like that because you know, I'm a fan and friend who was like, we gotta protect your art, k r need, stay protected, you know, nickel, especially. Has heard that put you onto her. Did cascade come up. Ed it. So probably did it because you, I think it might have been after it was. I think it was for me. It was LA LA LA, so and I out of as quick because you put. Because you put that song before you put out. And I remember listening to thin. The video you in the shopping car non house, little his ground Marlins back seat, but I can't remember where heard, I don't know, was it on my show, might have been was an arm like wait is that there was somewhere I maybe was even a store on some. She Zam, but I remember listening and we have an ongoing joke on this podcast about the indie singer accent. We call it bananas, avocado guy. Oh. The whole act is a whole attitude access crack up at that sound. But I heard you. I was like, this doesn't feel forced to me though. I don't really turn it on. You have like slight avocado and Bonilla. A lot. Funny. That accent, okay, there is. And middle school. I was listening to maj on legend in Chris. Oh, shoot. I just wanted to sound like them, really. And so somehow that I got that avocado banana, Tim, making accent thing. That's what like the beginning of my YouTube was. It was a hot mess. It was a mess, and I think LA LA LA was created as I was leaving like the straight the straight up like avocados and bananas, like I was kind of feel I leaving and I don't know if anyone could tell, but I think if it wasn't it wasn't a purpose though it just it just stopped, but after LA LA LA, like sometimes I can't even listen to it because I know my voice is different. Right, doesn't. I know it doesn't sound like like that with this much, you know, accent on it, but like it's a, no, it's still there, but it's like it's not as strong as it was in LA, LA, LA. But like now just been like, all right. This is me being myself, like, you know what? I'm saying? How how it happened? How does. To Phnom lost without you. Oh. That is one of the the lyrics at the aim when she can't stop saying, oh, and she'd be like screaming, how does it to know I'm lost with that way back a rat. Yes. I can't let. Here. No, you sound good. You sound amazing. Thank you. I mean between I have to keep going back to that one track, just that one part. I remember thinking it was a great song oughta way through. And then even at the end, like you're still leaving me wanting more and capture the essence in a lot of your tracks like backward. I was like, we brought in. But I still, you know, again, now we own go and I'm like, okay, not a goat. Like like, you just have all these tracks that made me feel like I need more and you know not to just sound demanding of you not like to sit with these tracks. And I'm like the fact that I can listen to any of these tracks actually today, and they still hit just as hard as the first time I heard them. Let's talk to Bank you. Thank you. Contribution. YouTube like doing covers I when I was looking up interviews on you to as a bunch of your videos, even video v. talking about getting fired from Wendy. Through a whole channel. So how did that come about that you just decided like when you start singing some covers allergies. Sorry, but want to. Do you want to tell the story number that had the roaches. No, I wouldn't do that. I told on Wendy, but like, Nah, I can't tell you number. I can't. But it was. It wasn't Charlotte though. Charlotte, but. This. Oh. Yeah, I just wait what was question my bad. The covers. How did you decide to jump on YouTube and start singing? Well, like it was really like all I had like I knew I wanted people to know like I could saying, and I'm really trying to be famous trying to like make living off of this. So like I was just doing as much, but a foul myself not being great at the cover life because I would always sing what wasn't trending. Like I, like I was saying in below white turns to grey, win, win. Katy Perry was like charting or whatever. So people weren't searching for, or, you know, I guess those people weren't searching for like the Blau. So I, I was just I was quote unquote doing it on wrong, but really doing it. All right. Like I was doing what I wanted to do, which was the songs that I feel like our way better than all that top forty shit. So. Between tweet in below and all Leah. I just had to get it out like I had to get out in how did omen find you? His engineer, Aaron believe was thank he knew about me from YouTube in new about my EP, and he was like, omen, check this out and it's amazing. Like you know, word of mouth for word of mouth can do, I guess, and Allman liked it in. I guess he sat with it and eventually started telling dream Ville about me. So wonderful. So omen found because it was one. I think so. You mentioned van Jess? Did you used to watch them on YouTube as well? No, but I've been hanging out with him in LA told me that they were grinding. They were doing you too young. There are a lot of people that do music. They didn't use going YouTube or not feel like there's like this surge of them doing the music scene now for real for real like between them and Armand. Trae. Are you familiar with any of these? People are south some some dope singers coming up on YouTube just because I feel like you're a very dope artists that lows to collaborate and work with people. So there are people that are out in that field, same stories, you feel like you could do some. I'll be honored, I guess, is scary though is always scary for me because it's just hard putting yourself out there because people are kind of this very in this industry. So I'd be trying to just, I don't know. I'm myself in like if I like something I'm gonna tell the whole world. I like it. You know what I'm saying? But sometime. Like, you know, the person might be like, who is this whole like? I didn't need this leave me alone. Like you. Common? I do. I do. We don't. I can't help it. I no, I can't either side understand, but sometimes they're sweet. So I'd be like, okay, I'll respond this. Okay, fine. Just don't search your name. Okay, don't go down that road. How do you handle the mean comments? You clapback? Do you ignored? You cried z. to Mariah Carey wall slide in the shower. Right? Yes. Sometimes I get that feeling in my stomach like, damn, I should end this person right now, but then it just would never. It's never going to be a good look for me. It's gonna be like all she asked she bitter. She egotistical. So I figure it's best that I just let them say what they wanna say like, and sometimes it's laughable. It's like really in twenty eighteen. This is you're still saying I should get a Perm like some things are like, you know, it's like, oh, these people are just trolling. They have nothing else better. Do live and talk about their way more excited recorded sharing make you blow up. I like that cream cheese. All right. Now let's you know, we have to ratchet corner of the music part for second. If you could make retro records like that from real, what would you do? What would I do? Ratchet? How we were talking about, like, you know, CI, wildly, and then I went as far as say, I can. You're laying okay, I can. I can never whatever. Lupu, whatever. The hashtag, this. On our Rigo Akinyele ado African royalty. King john. I want you. I want you to give me your your anthem buck Vince anthem song, not stomp by Kirk Franklin, how. I mean, there are certain artists that I looked to right because you know, you said teacher Moses, and you know, there's like that classy ratchet. If you're asked was just ratchet ratchet and not the classy part. Okay. Back strong, everything. Know this. Listen to this. Teacher motions while we hear right, complex, implicity. Backstroke Taylor. Yeah, that's the one I was thinking about. There. Yeah, you better get that bitch told, and I also just because we're here, I think that caution should be your anthem. Your pitchers. Oh, shit. Just because you know, when I look my lips and think about how it is to be me. That's you. Be. I didn't listen to that song. Because I feel shading. This is a great moment. This is a great moment. I don't know. I'm happy to bestow this moment upon you because one teachers. I love teaching and I love you. So I'm so happy to give you this gift of beautiful song that should be your baggage anthem. Basang it's called caution caution, and you need to have all those next to caution because you are the baddest. Tally. Thank bye sweetie into day to be me. Harmon had. Oh, man. Yes, yes. What else can you do. Hey, what are you asking? What what I ratchet? Yes. So teacher, Moses. Tweet. These are people that do these classy ratchet yet to take you all the way back Keri hilson you know, she had some wrenching moments and then shift that moment with their song the way you love me and I feel like we were you. Thank God. You can't remember. Do you remember the video? And she was like, fuck me. Fuck me. It's the way you fuck me all and all. I that. Exactly. In way I was getting mixed up with something else so carries. So this was a very bad like damn carry is going full Radom ratchet like she talking about the way you fuck me. This is what if you ask what's gonna, give training, put something out like that or if you had an. Brian McKnight when he's. Show me how pussy work. Yes. Which was like, Brian McKnight, would he do? I'm still waiting for him to come back and say he was choking. I don't think I thought that was like a partnership mad TV. I think he always wanted to do that and he probably wasn't allowed. And I think I already started off doing the most wretched songs ever so I'll know if it could get you more. 'cause I'm already told him. I'll be fucked in the back seat. Okay. Canny more. Jay walk a very dolt fine line between classes. Rachel song called term Yao. Where's about this stripper lady that I was into in twelfth grade for like two seconds day. Strip, and I feel I can't get any more than that, and I'm telling her to touch me termi out. Let's do all things are parents used to warn me about. Yeah. So there's going to be. Say a lot of secrets is going to be. In my vote, my musical so. Can't. So I feel like kenneka even more at home this there are we getting rashness with this new project? Let's see. I guess the vibe was the energy of it seen as definitely some Rach. There's ratchet. I'm talking about like how I have my first apartment and you know, dollar tree wine glasses, and Andrei like celebrating like the apartment life and talking about liking a broke nigga in like it's okay, Honey. It's okay. Like we was all their one point. So you watch. Love is. This another show. Also labeled aka broke, Nick propaganda all is one of those. I'm just saying how was told to me, you know, oh, there's a branch it. There's a song call move where I'm talking about one of in alley by trash can right now, so heard, there's that. All right. Let me think. Is there any more? Oh, Chicago boy where I'm talking about, you know, should I fuck you before I get on this flight? Yeah, I can't. Chicago boy. I just met. He worked at CVS and I was just slip filling them. We hung up day. I was trying to figure out if I should pop it. If I busted wide open for before, I'd fly home in the morning. Amazing. Parents feel. We get. Whether or not you did. They do. They mention it today. Like does your mom's on you screen shots of the lyrics. Just to be like. Yeah. I mean my uncle David. He was like, yeah, man, it was really hard. It was really hard when I heard back. See, you know, I couldn't imagine what we'll Courtney because my real name is Courtney little Courtney doing this. But I mean, it's just I just be lying. I was just, it's just it's music. You know, like, you know, it's not real and they were doing it too bright. I guess the baby at one point. Right, exactly. Adult now. Like can you let me live, but that'd be line to them like it's not like it wasn't about me. Now. You mentioned right names Courtney's winning Ari lendings come from watching the secret garden. The girl's name was Mary Lennox, Christmas. Brenham scene. A long, long, long time ago. You remember just that one little part with a girl. He's Korea, smile. The rent's you mentioned really good. Yes. She was a little feisty whole trying to help her trying to help her cousin walk, I guess. And like she, I don't know. She was determined she was feisty. Her name was Mary Lennox, and I like remixed her name in our into. Yeah, Ari Winnick's, though, bass name for short. I was gonna ask you about it, but I was like, I don't know if that's, you know. No, real name, fine. This mine because that's established. Are the persona of Ari? Well, enough rice to now just lighten. My name is Courtney like, you know, like that's fine. Well, I'm excited about this new project thing. I cannot wait. What is their second single coming out in time soon? I don't really know. I don't really know. Know the whip cream video just looked on YouTube just dropped a week ago. So I guess we need to promote that whole promote the hell out of this, right? They have. From fighting videos. Amazing. And then on the same on your YouTube channel, there's also the Kucic version that I was talking about too. So definitely keep putting out really content because we, we are going to want a whole lot from you. So even if you just gotta work this record for awhile, keep pushing us back a little bit. All right, but you know, it's want music meal. So the next time you having a panic attack, think about me. For me. The music video treatments. Oh, that was well. We just wanted to stay true to what I was saying. The song I wanted even more stuff and in soda dooby the the amazing Ryan dooby the amazing director. He he had all this. These amazing ideas in it was crazy. It was like we were really like in sync, I guess because he decided this motorcycle scene is how the the video should basically end, which was phenomenal because it was like, like my ex actually rolled leg motorcycles, and you didn't even know that even tell it was amazing how all all worked out. But yeah, it was just the song like we were just. Bringing the song life is really like, it's literally like we're following what I'm saying except for, I mean, we'll, yeah. Yeah, I, I wish I still wish there was a gym scene where I was working. But it might have changed the whole, but how? How is it shooting video stressful isn't. Yes, I cry. I could this on sound better. Maybe I shouldn't say. All right. So my sister came and my nephew came, and I was so happy to see my nephew and like it just seemed like it was such a quote, unquote, like super professional music video, shoot, and my nephew. He was just wild. Like you run around happy. And I was happy, but I was worried at the same time. Then everybody was just like what is going on. But like so, unfortunately, I don't know. I just. I've, I'm sick that I doubted like like my life. First of all, this mop book in these video. We're all here because of me, and I was, I felt so fucking supported by the fact that might beautiful nephew was there. My sister. So that was like a a life lesson like girl don't ever fucking. Let like any type of energy make you feel like, you know, you can't be. Yeah, they can still not going to be amazing. Yeah, and it was. It was like, yeah, it was. It turned out great nephew raising hill. Company. Very excited about this. Whip cream challenge. We're gonna. Do. I think this is a great idea. I think everybody needs to upload video of themselves, right? Seeing part of the chorus of the song and the take a cannon with cream didn't get creative. That's what I. And. And they should have whipped cream and in the caption. It should be everywhere. I wish I didn't care. Cream challenge. Baby look play song, get creative and less made the Bill. Crab on your creative with whipped cream. Okay. Yeah. It's the grand. Follow the guidelines. Tumbler. Well, we're so excited paying so happy that you came and showed with us today. You have, of course, we men don't even know like I was freaking out all day. I was like, I am so excited to talk to you and just get all the questions out. I'm like, I said earlier, I'm a huge fan. Tell everyone where they can find you. Well, y'all can just find me in Brooklyn, New York. Find me on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, just type in Ari Lennox a. r. I l. e. n. n. x. and yeah, fundable. What is your project to be out before winners over before? Winter's over? And then we're going to be dropping some other songs that are kind of like they're not gonna be on the project, but we're just gonna keep, you know, people like all the years. Shit. 'cause we're going to be listening. We're gonna be doing like this. Keep feeding singles to us. About four or five or five joints that drought wow. Leading up into the album. That is the demaim idea. Wow, I can't believe I forget what I was going that fast. Do you have any okay. Time. Anything before we get out of here that you want. Because trust me our listeners, love you, love layer anytime mentioned you. They're like, thank you for letting us know that song came out so they all know who you are. This isn't even thing. Three or four my platelets, I do this all the time and I put you on many of them. Yes. Is there anything you want them to know about Ireland IX? Well, they wouldn't know otherwise. Oh, damn shit. Darks. Live some court. Some sound. All I don't. I don't watch intimate. My ex was trying to put me on, but I was like, you ever go watching. National. I used to eat ads and preschool. Oh. Exclusive. School. That was my little Snam yards neck. Don't feel bad. 'cause uncle eat ants. What is rob it? Do you have any performances coming up? Yes, but we can find all the information on your. I think I have show and somewhere else. Another show you living here. Does that mean New York is gonna get spoiled with more like shows hope. So realizing like the hustle never stops like I'm trying to just perform everywhere for real. So like there's opportunity. I'm just trying saying, 'cause there's so many people in New York do not know who I am. So yeah, I gotta just I if I could have New York behind me, you know what I'm saying? Like support me and same thing with DC. Like if I feel like there's still so much work to do. So, yeah, New York, I guess probably get spoiled. Yeah, I guess I've never seen you live really not in person. You too. Today. I'm so curious. I know I saw you on revolt TV ones. Oh, shit. Yeah, you had on these denim shorts. I'm like a black t. shirt was the blink one eighty two t shirts. The first time I perform and you. Awesome. Thank you. Definitely ready for the live show New York. How find you in Brooklyn somewhere? Yeah, I'll be around. Thank you so much for blessing us with your presence. Your beauty. Thank you gift. Your art. Wow. Your amazing. Seriously, like. Genuine. How does it feel to know I'm ready. Thank you. You keep dogs and. Normally on this show. I always have singing aside anyway. So it's like, sorry that you hear your cat. Fine. Thank you. Thank you someone. I Lennox everyone you guys for listening as always. We love you so much and we will catch you next week. Stay black and protect your magic. Bye.

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Australian Survivor All Stars | Week 8 Recap | Liana Boraas

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Australian Survivor All Stars | Week 8 Recap | Liana Boraas

"Took me one million pounds Chicago cyber. Hello everyone and welcome to our coverage of Stralia. All-stars I'm your host. Shannon gussied talk about a week eight the penultimate week of the show because it was just two episodes this week and the finale and reunion will be on Monday next week. That is why you're getting the podcast now. If anyone was confused but it was another big week of the show got us down to the final three definitely some stuff to Rant van to bat. And if we're going to do that I wanNA welcome back someone I always love chatting about saliva with getting into the takes getting a bit ridiculous and that is only on a Liana. Thank you so much for being here. Oh thank you Shannon for having me. I'm overall doing well devastated for Brooke mad at some players but at least I don't have a spider bite on my left but she liked Dave so think I'll be okay and I'm excited to talk survivor. Am I wrong? They've used that exact spider bite on my left but she at least twice and being. It's not that he said twice. They've used it twice. Probably I don't know why like someone in the editing room. It's just like no guys this this goal. This is gold sound bite. We have to use it twice. I don't know why but yet absolutely stood out to me. Yeah okay well I have to say like we're in basically lockdown here. You as well and it's like this is to contain the space. The feelings about the show. It's like it's like there. Was this week that we'll talk about like pacing around my apartment like tiny little space in leg rage and confusion. So I'm glad I guess he come onto the US and like vendors frustrations otherwise. I would just be going out of my mind. I'm so excited to get it all out. I'm in the exact same boat quarantined. Can't leave and I said can I at least just open a window and yell outside. Let me grab a pillow and yell into it. I don't know because it's just so frustrating watching this go down because it's I mean it's almost like watching a car crash in slow motion and I just want to say Straw and and yeah so I completely echo all of your frustration. So hopefully we can get some of that out. Have a little therapy today. And feel better going into Into the finale. Yeah I feel like you just see my apartment and then it's just like that external shot of life. The bird fly away and someone yells. Wt Schon and that's me right now for shy. We're going to have to talk about what's going to happen. But Yeah as you said. In lockdown time how you doing overall doing okay we had a little bit of touching go. I was actually feeling sick for a little while. So that was Yeah that was not so great. But I'm here feeling better. I started working from home or chillier. Unfortunately I don't know which is which but that's helping to keep my mind off of of everything that is insanely distracting right now. But like I said so excited to talk about all of this. I've been looking for this week. Yeah same because we you know we need to get it out. We talked about the show in the preseason made some predictions. And how is it progress from there? Has it been what you expected on? I'm trying to remember what like what exactly you know. Did we predict I know my prediction about Brooke doing well? I remember that I feel really good about that. Devastated for her. This week was rooting for her. So hard Dave my God. I am not expect him to be here I I. I expected Tarzan to be here. I suppose probably in the place that he ended up is kind of this character. So I think I've seen a lot of things that I'm I'm happy about that. We were able to predict correctly. Happy with some of the placement of of some of my favorite players. So impressed with AK. This season thought it was so fun to watch him. Chani. Oh my gosh mine. My winner. Pick that I couldn't talk about wave back win because she officially wasn't announced as part of the cavs she made it so far so proud of her rooting for my girl was devastated to see her. Go but yeah here. We are at the final five to final three and and what a whirlwind of season. It's been when I think back on off. Racism quintiles like the thing. I keep hearing my mind of US. Saying it's for every person we would like Maybe like step it up because it's going to be a fluid game it's nothing to be stagnant. You normally able to just ride down with one alliance and feel like we said. That's so often probably every time we spoke about like one of those more old school type players and like every single time it was the most stagnant game and really was down the line. I was like we were very wrong about that. I must have chosen to block. That was like Oh that was wrong. We saw this is what what was it. The strongest ally the greatest alliance. It's ever been four than certain history of survivor. Yeah so who would have thought because I maybe maybe I'm thinking about it too much my mind. Maybe we didn't say as much as I'm thinking of but I feel like we definitely have said it a couple of times and we were wrong. Our prediction of the season. And maybe we should have with some of these plays like. I think that I think we were thinking like it's also right. They've reminded us of that so many times. It's going to have to be crazy and fluid but if we had so many players that we have to say they're going to have to step it up because it's you know it's all stars and it's going to be a fluid gay. Maybe we should've been thinking like the players dictate the culture. Maybe they'll be bringing the season more to their speed and they did and it's all the claims. We couldn't even talk about like you talk about how he predicted photos and broken Dave. What we couldn't even talk about Mo Sean because they weren't even released. Preseason which is crazy like pre-season thought they really need to be releasing. Michelle Sean Shawnee and Li like those are the four characters that I was so surprised that they did announce and the fact that John is sitting in the final three and she has come second before and she's one of the biggest players of all time and didn't announce preseason is something. I will never understand so shocking. I mean it's still. Don't really get that decision. I think at this point. I'm just kind of written it off as like look they're going to be a logical vine like this is. There is no reason like the fact that Sean has made the final three now. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter. Because the logic of releasing the whole cast has already gone out the window so fine. I don't know key release. Everybody except for the final five you do you you know. I don't know this point so I feel like all the all the rules. Go out the window but it is so interesting to see the players that were announced that were announced. Now that we know how they did and the game and their final placements. Yeah I mean so many questions about what China's doing but also just around Shawn's place in the season in the way she'd been edited and everything I mean Dave has over one hundred more confessionals her. I'm David have the moist like. Don't get me wrong. He'd been biggest player. He is the most like mileage may vary but he'd probably the most entertaining character. He's on exceptionally well. Controlled the whole game but over a hundred more confessionals than Sean who's also had been like super critical to the game. She'd been writing the Middle. Since the pre swap to the swap through the merge and had that few confessional didn't get confessional last night in a final four episodes. There's only four of them and she's someone that is in the strategy of that. I mean everyone is at final four. She didn't get a confessional. So this is the kind of thing where you're like. I don't know what to do with that. He did not get. Don't give confessional fifty five minute episode. When there's only four people get confessionals is crazy stuff right. That's insane. I actually didn't even realize that she didn't get a confessional until you're saying just now but now that I'm thinking through it. Yeah like what was she asked. We saw her talking to Brooke. And then we saw her conversations. I guess with Mojo and Dave but yeah why. Why don't we get what what Sharon is thinking? Maybe 'cause we got too much of what Charen was thinking in the episode before hearing the quotes of like some may say like this is the biggest mistake you could make an survivor. You know take talking about taking day of to the final two. It was like what are. Are you crazy fool? Oh my gosh maybe they get confessional because they knew it would break me in which case because that first confessional. I really want to talk about. I WanNa start there actually because I was like tweeting along with the show. And even when they were like on tribal council I was coming back to my tweets. An-another Sean like that. Confessional was to me easily the most compelling pot of the week I mean it was a week that was heavily fined by like certain times. But this confessional me if it goes how. I think it's GonNa go next week if it does play out as it has been directed to us as the narrative of we only hear from. Shawn's perspective we get the extended confessional from David Mo- about who they want to take to the end weird from Sean consistently since the final seven. She's pretty far back so I think this season is going. I don't see a different way for it to go. We're GONNA win this challenge and take Dave and that again like think of me guys. If that happens it'd be in my apartment tasting just pacing around modal face because I think it will be the worst movie of all time. I'm nervous for you Shannon because when I agree with you know like send you a preemptive care package because I think that this will happen. We've got knits so consistently and it seems to be the one thing that Charen is really just lanner flag on you know like okay. You're going to ride the metal ride. The metal ride the middle but for some reason taking David to the end is the thing that she will refuse to budge on. Some ill conceived plan. This is such an all star moved to take him to the end and then convinced the jury to vote for her we. Do you remember the last time you were in the final two and that didn't necessarily go so well for you? Maybe BRING SOMEBODY. Who'S A go? I don't even understand why this is a strategy at all and it's so incredibly frustrating. Yeah I was running through my mind last night and I was thinking about like people who've made that mistake that mistake. I mean at the final three in the final three especially because final photos to a final three tribal councils a bit different. It's not as binary obviously so people have been a position where they want to challenge the final three and have taken someone that they would have against or could have won again not taking that person and take in someone that they lost against is something. That's very rarely happen in saliva history. You've got colby. He would have definitely won against heath. He took Tina who you know. He probably thought he had a chance to win against her. She was only one void. There was all these external factors of life. He wanted to be the hero because he probably get more than a million dollars in being the hero rather than the based on like how big saliva was at the time so I get it but it was objectively the wrong survivors strategic decision. Then you've got someone like little more actually think this would be most comparable to because it's like he took Sandra. She knew she'd lose against he didn't take johnny fairplay where it's like. Maybe she would have beat him. That's why I feel like Moe's Sean because I don't know if you will but I think he shot with Dave would crush her. Then you've got will. Who Took Tony Loss? Eight to one. If you take cassie would have one eight to one so to me. Wu's WHO's move to this time and surviving? History is d worth movements via the history. He was selling jury votes and that to me is the worst. Because it's so binary and so that's worse to me than Eric giving away immunity and James. Going home with two immunities and jt all of that. Because it's so binary and so simple simply wrong and then the fourth person you have in survivor history. Who was done? This is Shaun. John's flippered she can be the fourth and fifth person to do this in survivor. History and that is to me. Why would make it the worst of all time? Even though it's not a slam dunk against Mo. She could be losing to both of them. The fact that just the logic behind taking dave people who'd be so bad and the fact that you already lost season under two years ago for doing this would be the worst moving flight history. The additive effect of both of these moves together. You're saying just dumbs. Podcasts already talked about how going to the Big Threat. And having the dream at you for it is a complete and utter fallacy. And I'm starting to think she did not listen to that phone cost. Yeah I think that might be the case and I think what's baffling to me too okay. So so there were multiple decision points that were made to get to the final three that we have. Now Right. You're talking about you. Have a binary choice at this point in time. However there were decisions that could have been made previously to even give her a better shot at making it at winning and the final so the fact that she has made not only will she potentially make the wrong decision at the end by taking Dave over mo even though like you said she may lose to both but I agree with you. She at least has a shot against Mo. she has made several decisions previously. It's almost like a domino effect of bad decisions. Like no no you turn on him now. Okay but how about now though? Okay but now no so. We're consistently getting this bad decision making so I don't know if we're starting to lump all this stuff together but it's so frustrating. Because I I love Sharman her original season and I love the poop idle moment and I was rooting for her. And but now watching this and watching the decisions that she's making I mean she's she's a smart person right like what is happening here. That's what it's like so upsetting because it's not like Whoa you got it. Looks like he's a puppy dog. But like Sean is an intelligent person. She does have skills for this game. The fact that she has written in the middle. This whole time is really impressive. Like she has a lot of high key skills who survived? That many others don't have the fact that I think he'd probably now played more days of Australian survivor than a one which would make sense because she came and now she's in the top three that speaks to something that she's not she's view definitely couldn't win loss even she just takes Brian Lake. He Loo iterative. That and that is confirmed by jurors postseason. Five Jersey said that they would have voted for us. So it's not a question. Bach and she could have been a winner. This season you know like going to the end with more without actively angering so many jurors I think was a rate charts for her going to the end with some ties. It'd be a great show for her but you're right. They made these decisions earlier on which walks in for example the fact that they had to get rid of Charleston at five because they did have an idle. Because you didn't flush the idol so while they had control in that vote and while they weren't idled out while they did we can save they also couldn't take data out because they had let him get to the last point that he could use the idol without flushing it at six or seven hundred eighty one of these times and that has boxed them into an unfortunate position where. Sean Might Win Against Mo. My probably also not win against Mo and even more than that wants to take Dave. This is a sad sport to be. It's it's it's sad it's an. It's it's frustrating because like you said Sharon has so many good skills for the game and so it's like watching a player who I know can do it. I know can do it but for some reason just cannot read the jury at all or just like some winking at the jury also frustrates me so much just like Tarzan like no no no. Is that how it works? I that must be. That's what I'm trying to figure out is what is critical error. It's obviously the jury read. Write that she. She just doesn't understand what those on the jury value right. I mean when Jersey. She think is going to be like. Wow Sean who does she think standing up and saying what an all-star if she thinks it's an all star right exactly maybe she's maybe she needs to be on the jury like understand what it's like like that's why she didn't learn because she was able to learn by losing even though hello like you're that close as a juror which she worked for that and that she thinks that translates. Because that's a good point. I mean I feel like I'm keep coming onto the podcast very few ounces of talking to my brother the other night and he was like Oculus. Confessional let's try and get Inchon's head right now and we'll like on the floor and sitting there trying to like try to imagine it but I can't understand it because to me it is it's the most baffling thing if he does it in survivor. History and I know I am prematurely ranting about this because it's not something is done. It's not even something he might have the opportunity to do. She does have to win the challenge just for me from an effort perspective from a narrative perspective. We don't we get it from a so much. Get the finally get hooked coming second as a sound bite from Brooke voting. Confessional Week here. It's hounded into the narrative that this is something that's GonNa be a thing. I think dave hurting Dave Dave winning. There's a lot of credit to that. I see more winning in her editors well. We'll talk about that so it's like it might not happen. But the Pharisees being discussed is insane to me and I do think that this is definitely with. My bets are in terms of life. This is something that China's GonNa do. Yeah the fact that they're you know with with Brooke being so abundantly clear of look. They're idiots for not blindsiding. Dave you know you taking Dave to the end is handing him a million dollars. Loyalty doesn't pay the bills like I loved all of those quotes because it seems so abundantly clear to us the audience because of the way that the season has been narrative urban edited potentially but it's also abundantly clear so the people who are playing on the season like Br. I get the books on the outside. I get that. She's trying to do whatever she can to throw people under the bus. But you know she doesn't have to necessarily tell us that in the confessionals right and they as well and they are going to do that. Yes exactly so. I think that this is a case of of just a man. It's just battery reads and it. Maybe it's a maybe it's like you said if charn were on the jury maybe she would reward somebody who would be willing to take the biggest threat to the end instead but that also could be ally. She's telling herself to make herself feel better. I don't know if that could be true. Well it's just not something anyone's ever done you know there's no shiny and we have the Sean example we have we we have we have will have maybe two time Sean. For this person who makes the wrong decision and has that wrong read. We there's no example in saliva history. If I'm missing anything I don't think I but if I missing anything let me know but I don't think that there's someone who's like. Yeah you're right. That person did take the biggest threat all someone that was more like by the jury and the jury really respected it and gave it to the person who was at that point less light than the competitive because they took more liked or respected. Play like we don't have that example because the people who've done this surviving history. They either. They they win the challenge when the Gabe or they win the challenge that they would have lost people kind of like baited last season. So it's more of a point. This is very few people who've had that critically wrong read. It's a binary choice. It's not like making the wrong decision. Like an even and Eric at final five. That's still final five and he thought okay. If I do this maybe this can happen to final four. And they're all of these doors opening up and yes it's the wrong completely wrong. Move but at least you can be like well. There was lots of different factors to it and this may be what he was considering and he couldn't see the end of the game yet but like your day forty nine or day thirty eight. You see the end of the game. So if she does this will be crazy and I also feel like a little vindicated because I feel like the narrative oeste season three was a lot of life. Shame suit of should've lost. Sean Sean should have one and I think I was beating the drum very hot of like I can't even. I can't even sorry Shawn because if she taken Brian Lake. We wouldn't be having this conversation and that to me was like the biggest part of that and not the fact like even Matt Rojas not voting for Sean like all of that very valid. All of that is a massive movement of this season. And Sean Todd. Codfish fish onto the adult. But I always voters like well. She he made the bit and he was GonNa lie and it because you had slam dunk win against Brian Lake. And she didn't take it and if make the same mistake again but maybe even worse I would. I feel very vindicated in that take. Yeah that's actually a good point because that's definitely the narrative that comes off of season three and I think we don't really think about the incorrect decision That she made with Brian Versus Shane. And now it's interesting to see essentially the almost the exact same flaws sort of come up again and I think it highlights the fact that. Oh right so she's not good at this type of decision making and I think that that's that's pretty interesting. I also feel like off. Even Sean insisted that the beat the best stuff was like thinking a deep dive and maybe remembering but like I feel like she was insisting that she was just saying that but it wasn't true. She thought she could beat Shane. Maybe we maybe it was more friendships theme. I never bought that because I was like. She said on Social Media. She sang in confessional. Why would she lie to us? And now I feel like she wasn't lying in the beat. The best stuff continues to be something that she thinks the value in survivor. That is just patently on drew. You know I'm thinking more about this concept of okay if you take if you win the final three and you take the person that's more respected. It doesn't work like the fire tokens where it's like. Oh you vote someone out you. Get their fire tokens or something like that. Or like you know the Garnett's and the genius or something like that like you don't absorb by the person who's more respected. You don't absorb their powers you don't get all of those moves just because you're the one person to take them out you know like they still have all of those moves and like Brooke so eloquently pointed out in that final tribal council where she was saying like. Hey look you know. These are all IMOs that we know about but there are so many more moves that we might not know about and those are all going to come out in the final tribal and she's like look. I'd vote for him now. You know given everything that he's done. Who knows what we don't even know about or the moves that he's made that he can sell at the end. I it just it just it just. It's baffling because I'm trying to also sorry. I was just like this getting all of my frustration out trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. Look maybe she seeing something that we are not you know. The shows edited in a way to tell a narrative. We're being shown certain things but yet I still go back to you. Can Look at the jury can look broken. You can see how other people see the will win. So it's so hard for me to give Sharon any credit here because it seems like such a blatantly obvious move. Yeah I'm thinking about Brooke said in terms of these moves know about and I did tweet this week saying okay. We'll let fake idol hotline. We saw him make fake idol. We saw him wearing it at a point and I thought really went nowhere and then a couple of people tweeted me being like maybe he puts it on a final tribal as another. Move that make sense. Yes announced the the lie that I could totally see that. That's another thing. We made this fake idol. I had so many tricks up my sleeve. And that's why we've seen it in the edit or otherwise it was just a couple more confessionals they wanted to give today which also would relate sensitivity there so. I could totally see that like if she would take day and I know we're talking about something that hasn't happened and will connected that issue. The mistakes of the positive lead to what actually happened this week for sure but if she does take Dave then that is a move today. That's not a move like she needs to do or the Dave will sit there and say at final four at the tribal council a tribal council. I very much want to talk about Brooke was calling me even more when Sean recalling him like one of the best of all time and I was taken to the end like that is not a move for. Sean doesn't move Dave to have that relationship. And kind of like harness that unforced error by Sean to get there so that would just be another notch that the jury would be rewarding that they would need their voting one hundred percents. Oh yeah no I completely agree. And and the fact that yeah. I mean. It's definitely props to him. It's props to David. The fact that he's able to convince these other players that he needs to be the one to go to the end with although it does seem to be faulty logic on Charen perspective Mo. I'm not so certain of but maybe if I'm trying to be more positive be less angry. Darn and more crops to David. Let me let me just compliment David for a while I guess instead maybe that will make me feel better because you know what he's been able to do with even having Tarzan in his back pocket which we only you know. I think you pointed out a week a couple of weeks ago. Whatever that Tarzan really in his back pocket or wasn't his back pocket. He's got the you know the alliance of of CHARN and of Mo. And he's really been able to do a number on the people that he's been working with and so. I think he deserves all the credit for that. Yeah I mean things like for example would want to go to the end with Dave as high as they've been I assume she takes John who also is a real life friend. John's making the decision like one of the reasons. He took Shane without a friendship. Like I think she's close friend wise to Mow. So you'd think you would take move from a friend's perspective and a loyalty perspective. Anyway I think more would take Sean but there are questions that we will continue to have from this whole alliance about letting Dave get as far as he with his idol even when he played the other idol on the second the second idol that wasn't as fourth alliance. I was gonNA rocks and everything like that. So let someone get that. Far and now they're the final five chronic war cap how to have control. How takeout Todd Them? But if they didn't play his idol on ties and should they risk it and vote for Dave and risk being? And it's like this is a very tricky situation like you shouldn't be in the situation to begin with it. Kinda reminded me of a season. We've referenced many times out of season which is a virus out of Africa Island secret from last year. Where the final five they were like. Okay we've let get this. Far was his idol. The planet is convinced him not to use it for no reason. That is a very difficult thing to do. And you shouldn't be in a position where that something you need to do. Because it's not going to happen because you can see behind and you have to. Who doesn't even win immunity so it should've taken your shot earlier so you weren't so box into this point. Yeah I felt like once that window of around final eight final seven. Once that started to pass I was like man. This is going to be a steamroll for Dave because Dave is a type of player where he he has found an idol. You know that he's all about them. Idols if he doesn't have one he's GonNa go search for one you know and you almost have to work on the assumption that he is a player that has an idol or that could potentially have an idol. Even if they're like oh well he played one. You know so. We're good now. I know you need to still work on that assumption. Because he's so dangerous and it just felt like that window closed and then at every single step was still hoping you know not that. I don't enjoy David as a player. But you KINDA WANNA see somebody make a big move and take out the big dog but that just got skipped over and over and over and then yeah we had this really weird final five vote With the whole logic of like okay. Well we need to throw one vote today just in case. He plays the idol on Tarzan. And they'd never should have been there in the first place but here we are. I don't know what the plan actually was. Because they say they're gonNA put may put one vote on day and she does and just putting one vote on Dave and they vote for ties and I don't know if the three of them were all gonNa vote for Dave within obviously risking him playing is I don't himself which is a probability of you could get idled out. Just the one really wouldn't make any sense because Dave is obviously not going to play the idol on ties end and then not with Tarzan so there too would win out. So you all have to vote for Dave and just hope that he's playing not himself which would be a little crazy like this move was way too difficult to be pulled off and the reason it was so difficult with because they've gotten themselves to this point so that's why it wasn't work. Yeah right exactly so I mean essentially is if like if you have Tarzana and and Dave voting together then Charen is gone. You know because that's two votes and then you have the two negated votes on Tarzan and then the one on day of that for Brooke. That does nothing right so like yeah exactly. That would have been totally useless. The only way to that works out is if they so. They put one on brute footing one vote on day. They voting to photography and assuming the Davis Voting Taza Tauzin is voting for Sean. So then if days plays the four ties and then they have the one vote on Dave. So that's the split but they also have one vote on SEAN FROM TODD. And then anyway that's the best case scenario in which is just broke and then they're hoping that broke with them on the reverse where she could easily vote. Sean Anyway so especially if they've just betrayed her by not voting with us so it wasn't a good plan. I can tell you that much. Yeah exactly I mean they never showed gotten here in the first place you know like if you wanted to make a move. It's too late. You know. This is not the place to do it right you. You made your bed. It's time to lay in it because any sort of weird split vote plan is one potentially going to backfire in your face and send you home or it's GonNa Piss a bunch of people off you know like Brooks already frustrated with you and already potentially mad. You're not gonNa like seriously commit to doing this. Then you know it's like too late so that was such a beer logic at time I was like. Oh yeah does that make sense but the the fact that yeah like he's not going to Beaufort Tarzan right lake that that would be really stupid and were baton hand so I went anyway. If he's playing his idol correctly. Brooke one vote. Does nothing like the way that split votes was. Is that most of the time you do need unless you assuming the minority splits which you've already because you're in that in this situation you're achieving already applying idols on each other so otherwise you do need double the amount of numbers as a minority which they didn't have. Yeah that and Dave is such a I mean. He's he's a smart player. Okay so maybe that's something that they were missing out on the he's not stupid off the play that idol on Tarzan. You know because he's making the assumption that Sharon does want him out you know. Of course he is going to keep it in play for himself so just very odd very odd decision making in general if they wanted to go for Dave and if they wanted to avoid the situation where they were going to have to take our ties on who is someone that they could be like the best way to do that would have been and again. We've talked about final seven. The options their final six if they emerged with Brooke and to have the actual numbers I split for they could have actually split on Dave and ties and hopefully blindsided day because he he did seem to think he was good to go and he was good to go so I don't know if he would have picked up on. It was a different situation. But then you have actual number split. And he plays a tossing. Goes Home and you get rid of him at five so yeah. They will options but they weren't the option of trying to pull the biggest highest ever on the best player. You know of the season and one of the best of all when you don't have enough numbers to split and they didn't really try it. I mean they do end up voting. Otas and he does say his I don't himself? I think they probably wet the safe route and try to fan the flames how much he needed to play the idol himself just to make sure that he didn't do anything crazy and item out or anything like that like they went to save route. They did get rid of someone who would be. You know not much of a challenge there against Brooke who is a powerful Dave like. There's something there but it's such a minor win because you contact the big play because you've left too late and also if you're SEAN YOU WANNA go to the museum Yeah I mean exactly. And that's the thing is that I think that these decisions were already in place you know like this. This should made the final a final seven you know and they had already essentially committed to this time line and so that was the time line that they wanted to see play out. That's what was going to happen. And then yeah the weird one vote was just some sort of bizarre security plan that provided no security at all but fine like I said the decisions had already been made and it was just sort of watching the steamroll happened and watching these preconceived ideas that the players had had just sorta pan out but I think they got a little lucky that Brooke one because in a different world. She's definitely going home. They are if she doesn't win. And then the final four with Dave Anton and that's not a good spot to be like he has at least maybe three was sean like you know it's like he has complete power whereas like in this situation. That is a very small window other you take out ties and you weaken Dave. You Take Brooke Year. Then it final three wins and Moser professional athlete. And Sean has been a challenge beef. If one of you wins and you take each other and you have a pretty good shot to argue against each other. So if that is their intention the window is still there. It's a small window and they've made the conservative play at five to give themselves that chance by getting themselves in this position. They are powerless. Pretty much against David Five. They are giving up someone. I think they would probably both eat at the end. So it doesn't come without its losses and that's because of the opportunity missed along the way yes right yes exactly and I think that it's sort of interesting to think about. Okay well what would be? What do we think as the commentator is would be this person's best move versus what that person actually decided that they wanted to happen because those two things as we have talked about extensively for charn are not necessarily the same thing and so it's like well? Yeah I mean. They got lucky by having Brooke Win. Immunity of final five forcing the hand of having to send Tarzan out. Because of all the points that you that you stated but that's the luck of or the challenge east ability of Brook. That's up because that's what they envisioned. That's not because of what they wanted. You know like let's say David had won immunity a final five right. I mean my God. Like how bad would that have been like? Would he played his idol on Tarzan? One hundred percent. Yes then you have the two of them and like everybody's getting screwed but I feel like mo and Sharm would have been like no no. It's fine like it's cool. We're going with this. I mean I think if anyone I think broke down when at five even if Dave's vulnerable like this I mean he does have the idol but like brooks and five regardless and like me brave obviously loses Tauzin. Which is Greg is really just didn't have the numbers at that five but it is also kind of good to have Brooke then as a shield. Although does he need she'll because people wanted to make him to the end. So yeah as you said like in has been really really hard to analyze it analysing why than analyzing different things like the objective strategy of what I think is good and then also one of the characters want to do because it's so hard to be like. Why don't you taking Dave like if you if you take it on? David six see objectively right move whereas like channels to go to the end of the day. So she's not taking David six and she's not flushing his idol at six. But even so I think you need to be flushing. The either because letting someone gets so late with the IDOL could've meant she goat idol doubt it could have mentioned on this tricky three one one that they were trying to do that she just happened to go like. I think it's just it's too much power to give someone else any reason. Flush the idol. Even if you WANNA take Dave through which is again their intention with. We don't agree with their intention. I can't have any defense for letting someone get that foul so much power that you when you are vulnerable. And they hit an idol. No absolutely I mean and that's the thing is watching so many bad decisions be made is so incredibly frustrating but if if the game that Sean seemingly wanted to play she's doing a really great job at it like it's a bad game plan and making bad decisions but he's doing it. Yes Oh the vision that she has. She is doing an amazing job. You know what I mean. So like good for her. The only thing she's GonNa fail in is the convincing the jury to vote for me. 'cause girl that ain't happening if you take David to the end. So yes so I guess props to her good for her for that but bad for her for all the bad decisions. I agree if Sean came out before the before the season we sports but here the PUTS MONEY. You put a bet on survivor. It makes sense because it's already been filled. But if she might she was like look I'm GonNa do everything power to come second and when I come back and put a massive bet on myself again. I don't get way more than five hundred thousand dollars if that's the case. And that's something he's attempting to do and she is playing an incredible game because everything she's done has been like. It seems like she's actively trying to do that. I've seen some tweets being. Sean thought like it was from heartbreaking. Lose by one that you wanted to make sure she would lose nine zero and if you bet on it makes a lot of sense but in terms like a winning game there's so much stuff it's counterproductive to that. Yeah that's actually. I love that. I love that because it's like okay. Maybe her goal was to get second place twice. She wanted to be you know those players the in the group with Russell Hansen. Amanda Cole. The player to lose twice. Yeah yes she wanted to just kind of repeat that I don't know I it's a hard one because it's like okay. Let's let's run down in a different world. Where more wins immunity? Hey Sean or Shaun because the one other thing I could see the narrative. I feel strongly that Sean is coming second but one other thing I could see for the narrative would be like Sean sayings. We'll take days you'll take shave. Take Dave but ends up taking show and it ends up being another talking point a tribal council of how many like promises she's broken. I see this. Mutton coach is actively taking day. All comes Raila. Sometimes it's simplistic answer is what it is. But maybe there's something to that and she takes Mo so move us a shot in the final trouble council. How does that low food? That's a good question. I think it is challenging. Because the way that the edit looks it's like Oh Sharon's GONNA lose Charente GonNA loose however I think Mo is the type of player who okay if she's going to go up against her like mode isn't necessarily have the best rapport with some of the jurors. I think it was a knicks exit interview and he talked about how she is. She's got some big blind spots like either she kind of loves you and you have a really great relationship with her or she treats you like you don't exist and so. I think I would have to go through and think about okay. How does each juror? What does Easter is relationship with MOE? Look because either. It's this really positive relationship or it might be a essentially nonexistent relationship. I could see people with a nonexistent relationship with Mojo voting for her. If it's next to Sean I think from an oedipus effective I could definitely see more winning. I think they edit and game decision Dave win and like I totally see that at it for him as well like he does have double the confessionals of Mo like an insane amount of confessionals. But like I guess that they WanNa give him anyway he is at the final three has run game like he's going to have this edit. I'm actually not surprised by Dave's editor whether he wins all comes stud next week but mots et it is actually almost more has more of an agenda to me than someone who has one hundred forty something confessionals which may be doesn't sound right but like we talked a bit you talk about next exit interview how he talks about how she never spoke to him about some of the other players. But it's not something that's ever mentioned on the show. We get a lot of the positive stuff and the positive stuff is very very valid. But it's a very one-sided edit to the point of the fact that it seems a little bit manufactured in terms of the character and it's so different to what we hear from so many of these people and their experiences valid wild. He has many many friends who seems like he's so close with Tauzin. Be One of them. Dave Sean. She has a lot of close friends. Who would definitely vote for her and have a very positive experience of her. And that probably does closely resemble her editing vaccine valid to the experience of several people on the jury and also in the game is also valid so I could see her winning. Just because I'm like this is a low wing edit but also see being a fallen angel with a glowing edit and I don't know how final travel council would look like. Would they edit out any question because I know someone like an eight k? Or some of these people from who have not a lot of love though would be coming up and being like. Why didn't you talk to me? So that being edited out. Are they going to put that on the show? Because if you just watch the show and you don't listen to exit interviews and you hear what these play the media etcetera etcetera. It's not a part of the game that you know. So how can that be a part of the finale storyline? Yes okay so I want to break down the the concept of MOS at it because I agree with you does feel very manufactured we get a lot of comments from her about this silent assassin thing. I think that's also when Tarzan is giving his thoughts about each member of the Alliance. Mo is the silent assassin. She's getting these compliments about how you know. She is a strong player. Her edit is very favorable in terms of talking about her family and how she's playing for her family and those types of things so it does feel like. Oh I can see her winning or I'm supposed to like her or I'm supposed to think that she's a good player whether or not that's true in reality that doesn't necessarily matter because that's what the story that's being told however what does matter in reality is whether or not the final Jer. The jurors would vote for her in the final tribal council. And that's where things start to fall apart because I don't necessarily get the sense that she is super well respected but then again if she's next to Charen who I think people almost have A. It's like a high expectations. Kind of thing where? Maybe it's lower expectations for MOE people. Like Oh you know. She loved her. You know her season because she got sick. Whatever Sharon came in second place man? They're watching Charen make bad decisions like that after bad after bad decisions the you know Ak Shawny Brooke are going to be pissed at her. So yeah maybe it is just sort of a default thing and so the reason why the editor so positive for Mo- is because she wins because it's more of an anti Charen vote than it is a positive Mo- vote if that makes sense. Yeah and that's what it would be so for. Moen kind of wondering it's like okay. She the fallen angel. And we'RE GONNA be meant to be crying at the final three when she gets voted out. Because there's so much positivist there as you never get to go to tribal council where they will undoubtedly be questions shown or not shown about her social game. They couldn't be sure because it would line up with what we've seen on the show so is that it is the fallen angel thing or is that she goes through the end with Sean. Sean has made actively bad decisions. That aren't going to be voted for and Mo- is GonNa win definitely wins that battle Structure is actually something that she would win. Because I think he's getting a lot of Makreda. I think she seems to have a good enough relationship with someone like a Brooklyn and I could see a million times rebuff especially someone like shawnee especially someone like a holding up a word for Mojo and being like shot. I wouldn't vote for you in a being analogy. Sean Road as much one of the MO so. I think that she would win that match up for they tried to then kind of cloud the edit to be like you know. It's not just like they don't want to show the jurors hate voting. Either of these people you know maybe they wanna make it a little bit more positive and more credit to. Moyes game rather than making as much as sean loss so I could see that as much as I think Dave will win in the in the scenario that I've given that it has been so positive and I could see that from a winning perspective or from an angel perspective. Yeah Yeah I okay. I have a question so Brooke says that she wants to take mo to the final. Two how do you think that that fits with everything? Because I'm trying to think. Okay Brooklyn that. Has You know the best reeds on how the jury is GonNa go. Is this. Potentially a misread on her. Not Wanting to take sean you know like how do you feel about her saying that? She wants to take mode of the final two. Well TO BE FAIR. I think Brooke anyone definitely yes. That's the thing she she'd weighing up. I wonder if maybe she would rather have taken out sean more because maybe Sean has a better chance that the challenge final three she would would like a better shot there. Maybe she just has a better relationship with more like she moves. Seemed really fine. So this part of that she also says at the end like that. Sean IS GONNA come back. And she says nobody confessional booth could give Dave run for his money. She doesn't mentioned Sean based on everything Brooklyn saying the second half of that episode. It did make me a little confused. She thinks that having a better shot into of Sean No the challenge common though I think is pretty apt because no fence to mow the opposite of Brooke when it comes to some of these you know these challenges so I can see you wanting to if the choice is between Brooke and Sean I can see her not necessarily because of the final to a jury votes but just because of having to get to that final two and by winning the final immunity challenge because really that has to be a priority because Oh man this jury would one hundred percent vote for Bra. I from America would try to from Roy even though this is already been filmed and this is definitely in the past but I think that you know she has that underdog at it. She has so many friends on the jury she would win one hundred percent so yeah. I think the comments about the challenge is probably more program. I WanNa talk about Brooks page. Because it was not a great spot to be in. Well she's pitching to mow to Sean and then more more more transparently to mow that she wants to take out Sean and then go to the end so they could shoot hake mode to the end. But it's like if you more shine if you leave Brooklyn the game surely you know but again this is not what we're getting in the terminology but broke especially seemed like such a jury threat. It's like you are. Obviously you know taking someone who would beat you at the end. They would beat them at the end. That's not a winning position to be and they would literally have zero chance to win the game again analyzing objectively and not in their intentions. We'll talk about what they were saying. That that tribal council which was also Kinda maddening and also like they are more loyal to each other. There was no reason to keep bro. She's mortgage or either and she's not allies. She's more of a physical threat. Even Mo- does vote with. Oh she's voting brook to a fire challenge against someone who season. John was like an expert file like it was just such a diet situation that we have to watch play out and there was any chance at Brookwood do absolutely anything when he definitely definitely could not. Yeah kind of not a great spot to be in is probably like the understatement of the year so there was so many things yes exactly. She's working against literally all the obstacles. As soon as she lost that final immunity John was like come on. Man Just wanted to fast forward and just kind of get it over with but I appreciate her still trying even though I mean really. This was the most dire situation the argument that she made about A. You can't take aid to the end even though apparently some people don't think that that's the case you can't take. Dave to the end you need somebody who's GonNa meet beat him in that. Final Tribal Council is probably the best argument. She could've tried to make so Man Good on her for that but at the same time I mean. This is an unwinnable situation. Yeah I mean it's a hog on because it's like you contact. The end is also probably contact group to the end. It's like I can help you get rid of Dave. It's like well then we will get rid of. You broke your problem for us. And one that they during seem to be as misguided about as they dave and he didn't even have Dave. They're like if Sean wins the immunity challenge for example. I think Brooke going home but at least she can be like. Hey Dave you thought your threat instead of me like at least the argument there. I still think she would've lost but I want to talk about this. Final final four tribal because it was so great like swimming anything so many things is actually written down court so that. I can complain about so Moesha say did they could beat day but they also call them the best player. I ever know what. Okay then most says. If we know who wins why are we even still playing which I've ridden contractual obligations? They were acting as if a final tribal council exists entirely in a vacuum with everything predicated on the final speech against them. You just call the best ever. It's like well this hasn't been said it's like sometimes that doesn't need to be you know. Sometimes you can walk tribal council and class you in fact most of the time that's true so whatever Mos- plant especially like in really must be the best speech because she thinks he can move mountains. I Love I love this concept of. It's GonNa be a men in black type situation where they're gonNA ERASE. The memory isn't jurors and then all we're GONNA have to go on. Is The final tribal council speeches. Like that's all you get. Yeah that's exactly how it felt. It was like well. We know the days the best player ever today but none of that matters if we step into the ring on day fifty. That's all that matters of speech has the earning criteria of what could this each be like genuinely? I'm actually interested because it must be the best beach of all time. If they think he can be. Dave so China says I can't trust at Brookwood. Take me if she wanted final three. Because she's only telling you this on day forty seven. It's like Sean. Yes if you vote out more now than definitely Brooke will take you if he wins over the Dave. That's not the thing you'll worried about. What you're worried about is the fact that day would be you and that Brooke would be you and your only chance of winning is more. That's why not taking out more right now. This is again the completely wrong way to think about it. Also said if I didn't have a chance with any of the three would have tried to blindside them early. Enough yes behind. It is exactly what I'm asking and the last thing that I have written down Sean says ultimately it's the jury's coal okay true but it's like it's not out of your hands like you put the people on the jury in the specific way that you put them in. You can decide how the final tribal councils made up again is not in a vacuum. It's juries cold but like you have a lot of influence on how the jury is made up and then how they so just being like. We'll do what we do and the jury just going to vote how they vote is not how survivor works. And honestly let's Travel Council broke my brain. Oh my gosh. She had just resigned to be only. Oh no no it's fine. The jury will decide what they will decide. No everything every single thing that you do sets you up for this final tribal council you know like even make the argument in now start. Start bolstering up your own resume now if you want to stop talking about. Dave's the best player ever and this doesn't feel like a millennials V. Gen-x situation where you know you have atom talking up Dave You know that's that's not. That's not what we have here like. No David will win and you will never flip on him and it is too late and he is like going to be there and US going to win so stop saying things I want them to say but in the wrong card like think about it in this story. Mos just realized he's GONNA lose because Dave is going to win so she says if I if I had no I had a chance with any of these three. I didn't have a chance for some of these three. I would have tried to blindside them earlier. It's like that's a sad realization instead so confidently like if I didn't think I had John with any of these three. I would've tried to blindsided them earlier and like again. We've been asking why you haven't done that again. Against based on the wrong read. Because you're right. They're not even coming out and saying it's almost sean is having the confessional that is. He's run the game he's arrogant. He's made moves but I'm more allied. I'll take him to the end. And it'll be like Russell Hasson. He's not GonNa win. It would be like. I don't think you're right but at least you just like misreading is one situation that have misreading like survivor game. Even like if Mo- move Mosel at the same thing like I've Dave Unlikely if that was the misread I could probably deal with it. But the fact that they're sitting in front of the jury as my mind I am saying. Dave is one of the best players of all time by taking him to the Indus Mark. Because that's an all-star move or the game itself doesn't matter the only thing that matters is exactly what you say on day fifty like. That's what's frustrating about this yes. It's not just misread of the jury. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is valued in survivor by survivor. Juries right because this is sort of a fundamental flaw. It's not just about well. It just so happens that this group of people is slightly different and they would want something else it is just so completely wrong and for them to know it to to know that. Dave is such a good player to say it say it at tribal commanded is really more fundamental. I think than just oh. This is misread of these people you know. This is a fundamental flaw in not understanding survivor. You'll lake and that's why I want to credit woo something I never thought I would say. But that's the point that in that when you talk Tony. He wasn't thinking I maybe. There was some honor then some loyalty he did. He did sink like okay though like that. I'm loyal and honorable which is a misread. It probably misread of himself and the jury more than it is a misread of survivor itself. But he also was like. Tony wouldn't be liked like twenty eight hundred two fights with people we have seen like bombastic. Old Men lose a game in this way calm was a fundamentalist rate because he did lose seven jury vote so let's not credited too much but it was more misread. I think himself it was misread on the jury. And what they value in terms of wealthy animism misread on Tony whereas the concept of to be the best you have to beat the best surviving. Juries will commend me as an Tom for taking the best that use a much more fundamental and much more critical era than even. We're taking Tony. I don't know how much you love the but then that can go. That's so true because as we know this is all Staz. That's all I can hear it. I can just hear it. I can say it again but this is all stars. I started doing that around my house. The milling man. I got to do the dishes. Oh this is all stars. I gotTa do the dishes. I don't know Stephen Everywhere in case you forgot. Yeah especially when? It's like taking Davis and I'm you know like is this. Is that what it is that I don't know what else is our only evening right. Exactly I don't know I don't know I want to talk about Tarzan. Who is a lovely man? I really do it. Chat with him in the exit interview and no one is speeding. Like Tarzan is definitely a very kind soul. Having seen his entire season. Play out. Now I'm GonNA stand by what I said a couple of weeks ago about the costing decisions that we made. I don't know I think we've got exactly what we expected from Charleston and if the show is happy with that then that concerns me as many confessionals this season as its first season as well twenty four in as you know eighteen more episodes and he was in four episodes last season. We have been talking about how you would go to the end with date even though it only gives them a ten percent chance to win to which I say you know. Maybe a little lower than that does end. But there's a lot of credit you're giving how much you would have and to have someone in the final five who jim and purely do not want to win asked him in in the accident of you. You know where you upset the Dave and play the idol and he was like I think he made a great movie has to play it on himself like even though he got voted out he would rather the Dave makes it a little bit further than him win the game and that is that's a very unique position for someone to place let alone an old thaw season. So what did you think about the season? It's so bizarre. But at the same time so expected right he is. He's the the jam and the Sandwich as he said But certainly not what I would consider the voice of reason I think as he did mention like Yeah Okay Tarzan Shore. But he's the type of player is perfect for someone like David because if he can make a bond with him her Zan will be loyal as he was until the very end and it allows players like David to steamroll easier more easily because they have someone who is going to be so incredibly loyal. And that's why I want to give props to David. Because he was able to pull in Tarzan. I think Mo- also sort of falls in a similar boat of this whole loyalty thing was able to pull her and he was able to read those two players correctly to know that they would be loyal and they truly would stay loyal until the end. It was disappointing that Tarzan's slot was given to Tarzan from a gameplay perspective because he is predictable and loyal but you know credits Dave. I'm GONNA keep Santa. Transient added today to get a good on. Dave yes will you have a situation where everyone's fooling with himself to give the way and it's better to credit that positively of Dave actually doing the positive things I just think photography unlike Mo has been loyal but I truly believe wants to win the game. They toss them to be happy to win. But it's not. I don't even think it's like his second or third or fourth priority. You know like he really is after the experience and to have someone who goes that far with that. I don't know if it's like the right thing for an all-star season if this is costing ties and originally he's obviously a very interesting and just a house this mindset is unique and rare and is worth seeing if he had gone on his first season at had not wanted to win. You'd be like it's a shame but it is what it is. It would have made things very difficult for the other players because he's not playing with that need for self preservation. Which is obviously the players can appeal to in the kind of thing that makes a fluid when people are trying to make moves in their best interest. When you have someone who's not doing that it really does make the game stagnant. It really does good luck and happiness the season. It would have been like an unfortunate thing to happen because of who he is like in terms of his intentions but I would have got it like. It's a Nubia season and you cost diverse characters. And that's what happens but while he didn't quit in season two and some people quit shouldn't be brought back. I don't think he quit but I also think the what he did in monitoring himself test has validity in itself and I think that someone who models himself should be brought back like. It's not a quick but it's so insane it's the only thing that shouldn't be validated with all Saas. Either because I do think in a rich phony season you want at least everyone to be cutthroat. You do want everyone to have that killer instinct. Because that's what makes it high pace and and also when you have these other also is mostly do have that someone like Dave. It just makes the disparity way way too so in my view was highs and he was like someone like me comes in. And you don't WanNa cost of Ak if you don't want twenty four game bus and I agree with that but I don't think we had a cost of twenty three eight hundred thousand Thais on. I think we still had a lot of various. You still have the lead. We saw your own stuff going on. We have a very very anyway and I don't think that variance to extend beyond what I think is acceptable. And that is I do believe in an all star season. At least everyone should want to win. And that's what takes it to that level and that's what makes it cut throat and having someone who maybe doesn't win make it so inevitably fired. Because why would he not make us off? Is One of the many reasons that this endgame was quite saddening. I can't believe that I have to say this like everyone should want to win. You know yeah that should be the bare minimum requirement if you will put someone on a TV show a game show. We're having this situation. I guess not anymore. Big Brother Canada's canceled but this player who is just constantly trying to quit or was constantly trying to quit. And it just is such a frigging Downer man and she I get is more actively wanting to leave the game whereas Tarzan is there to be loyal and support but at the same time it's similar in the sense that they are not acting in self preservation mode. They are acting based on some sort of other moral code that drives their behavior because their values and their goals are different and that does not make for entertaining TV. Because I do not care. If people are the most loyal I want US people be cut throat and play to win even if they have different play styles. At least they're playing to win. Yeah I mean. I think that is intriguing causing someone who doesn't WanNa win. I mean that's very unique and I enjoy talking about that in the active. Because how often do you get to have that conversation with someone that's like you made it today? Forty six and you still care about winning. Tell me about that. I found that really interesting but I find it much more interesting on a first time season. It does have a very high chance of gridlock in the game. Because you know you want people to be competitive and the competitive game and that makes the whole game way more cutthroat so we're kind of lucky. It didn't end up happening in season two but they can happen. I get him as a Newbie cost number. I just think also. We saw his lack of wanting to win. Play out in the most compelling way that it could short-term four four episodes. You go twenty Morgan vegetables as much as entire season he. He's self nodded himself for tests. That is interesting. Like I'm interested in that as a human moment but I think we saw it and I don't think there was any more blood to get out of that story we've already seen all the increase. That can come out of someone who doesn't want to win and we thought in a Newbie season and we are pretty lucky. Scruffily didn't define the narrative of much more excellent season which it definitely could have done you know and in this season which I think was much more likely causing dozens of modern early. Doesn't go home early which I think was unlikely of happening. Because why would you take the perfect person to align with? He does make it Super Super Far. And it's honestly is only luck in and of itself that he's not sitting there in the final who was a guard and that's just because of the way that it worked out in the way of Good Lockton community and they've had a mutiny or very few people devote for and that's the way it worked out because most of the time ties and is going to the very very end I think as and that type of costing should not define the nature of the season that fuel so obvious that that would happen right but I. I think that's my problem. Is I think what we got and season two was literally the BEST CASE SCENARIO CASTING. Someone like ours and yes. It was an anomaly. Because like you said the likelihood that he gets old to the end of the game because he's the perfect loyal goat in an alliance is just. I mean that's most likely to happen so I think even if it had happened on his original season I don't think the juice would have been worth the squeeze in terms of having him on the again nothing against him as a person. It's just I want entertaining TV and I'm not here. People being dragged to the end because it's very frustrating to watch. But you know what I don't know it's TV. It's an emotional rise out of me. So maybe maybe that is. What the the The producers are going for. But I would like to point out that that was rob winner. Pick so remind everybody with A. You're welcome completely forgot about that. I mean he was pretty close with closer than me. He was taking a closer than you. He did well with it. I mean you clothes Brooke had away. I mean you had Shawny who had a probably a better chance of winning if you just kinda makes it through the ties on who probably had zero chance of winning so sleek and I feel like I was maybe a little bit close on. Yeah it is such a hard one. Nothing against both need does seem like really lovely person but if you think about winning the war everyone wants to win. Like I can't believe we even say as you said like everyone should want to win. It's so cutthroat because someone's made it's much more like a game like someone makes a move and someone talks move it. Someone talks that moveon. Everyone's dead around them like that's what you wanted to see. And unfortunately just like having someone who brings a whole tone down who's not going to be adding to that power structure that dynamic in that competitive power play and just kind of brings it down and becomes like a porn but someone else. It does give so much power to someone who is not to say. He doesn't deserve that. You completely deserves that. He picked up tires and he did perfectly with that. And then there's a credit to him one hundred times that's more valuable than an idol to have. That person wants to go to the table at the perfect thing to have by putting it in the game. You basically hit another idol. They hid the ties on idol. Who can you can win this person's loyalty you know? The fact that they'll never turn on them the fact that they could even modern themselves to you the fact that they will go to the end with. You'RE NOT GONNA lose. They hit him playside on the jungle and it was the ties on idol day founded and that has been one of the keys to his game. I have this mental image now of Dave with the immunity and then to idols is fake idol and then he's like holding Tarzan like a baby or something even better now my bag and then he just hugging Tarzan Tarzan. Even someone like that could be in his bag of tricks. Exact probably wants to win. But it's like he doesn't have enough strategic impetus like this so many poolings in the game someone like Dave to pick up whereas like again. It's hard not to compare to win as a war. It's like no one's upon even if you pick them up at one point they did and I feel like you might pick them up with this. Vote and the next thing you like. They all have their own intentions. That are so separate from everyone else not attention that. I personally want to win unless I'm literally married to someone on the show and they also win. That's it right. Yeah exactly being. It's so hard because when there's a war is happening at the exact same time right and so it's easy to sort of make those comparisons but it's not like survivor. Us hasn't had its issues in the past with returning players season so little more. It's hard for me to make direct comparisons. Just WanNa give. I guess Australia a little bit more credit but at the same time it's very frustrating. Yeah putting putting ties on Dave in the same season so disparate exploited sprint to have winners and ties on the ready made. Someone played a couple of weeks from the show who basically again didn't quit but did something that is not playing a win and that is valid in of itself disparate causing will get you every time the US has done it. It's called them to exalt manifesting game changes we've saw Sarah's who is a great player but she'll be sole her take advantage of the fact that he wasn't really a threat and compared to like all of the other bigger threats so I'm just having trouble with the all stars all game changes can use costing as a strategic weapon because causing. Give them that opportunity by making it such cost and then gives the plays an opportunity to actually use that structure to their advantage will be incredibly disadvantaged by that. It's also a shame that the bigger players largely rooting for unless they haunted amazingly well. Dave has the bigger players. Are Probably GonNa be disadvantaged by that and I just don't think the costing should have such an important strategic role of course is causing everything but in terms of just like the discrepancy in causing. That shouldn't that shouldn't be the thing that drives strategy for as much as it has all sides in this all star. Game changes. Yeah I don't know it's hard because it's the players that are out there. Those are the pieces. The Game Board we talk about survivor being a super interesting game. Because you're radically. It's so simple. But there's so many different permutations of what can happen because you have all these different players who have different wants different desires different play styles. They bond in different ways. But it seems like with the cast was there. I love the example of Tarzan Zach. Because they were almost sort of similar types of goat players you know like maybe if you're gonNA have goats of different types of goats. I don't know but we see this pattern. Play out over and over again when you have this imbalance in casting so. I think that it's something that is You know unfortunately common When we have returning players seasons is just something we have to combat unless you have out of the park winners at war typecasting every single season which I think I don't know maybe I'm hopeful that I want to say it's possible Because I think you really couldn't put it together. A cast for all stars from a U. players that was all cutthroat and that again air minimum wanted to win. Yeah I mean. We got a question from comments. Elaine topical to what saying that. I'm just going to do it before the question section. Where he said should they try and do all south eason's and come up with a different theme to bring returnees back? I don't think my some of my favorite seasons are returning seasons Cambodia. And here's Ano- another war shaping up to be three of my top five seasons so I think it. Just it's really just comes down to that consistency. GotTa do it and I get the perfect Kost. Give me a Newbie season ten times out of ten because it was all sizes like either going to be. You know it's just like the extremes of something like it is so much invested in as well that like it has the opportunity to go like really really really really well. Be One of the best or be a let down and I do think that it's all consistency in causing nothing else matters. The advantages are really matter like really nothing else that is other than just making show. This cost is consistent. It doesn't have to be as consistent and winners award. That's the best ever but even telling like Cambodia is kind of felt like everyone on like a more even keeled plainfield and felt like again like the causing. The discrepancy coughing was not going to be driving the strategy. And I drink so that is a good thing not to give credit to ourselves but the fans chose this saying look at us. Let us cast. 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I'M GONNA put a two and one going to give to dave to position where he could be immune like this at five and then four again. Wh crediting the positivity after an hour or so of waiting about how people have let him get there but it is. If you're asking is a days playing well or is it. Others playing willy. It's books and for that. I crave I'm going to give Brooke One as well for saving us off at five getting us off to that final flaw with the only she could do. A pitch was the best at four but it was just a losing situation. Schon note ties on happening. And those people who literally said they wanted to go to the end with Dave this week so not happening I feel like I wanNA give them Kudos for being like best lifeline. This week I mean she did kind of screw her of twice center to the jury. But I'm not sure that that's really really getting mad. She did make a side deal with on also said she would rather sit at the end with moe maybe that the negative things threat level. Or maybe she just likes more more. I like that you kind of making their side plans but at the same time like I don't love the sport she's in. I think it's based on the mistakes of the past if he flushed as auto the point then she's taking him out of five and she's sitting in a final three with Tarzan. Sean assuming probably would have wanted four but like there's a chance maybe you know that she could be sitting with highs and China three. She doesn't have to give up Tarzan and that's a winning swab for her. So I think that that's going to come back to bite her. Just based on the mistakes of the possibly conflated really anything now because I love the position that she even but I do see a world in which he just has to either win the challenge and Take Sean or convention that it isn't John's best interest which had asked me to take her and she could win the game but icon credit this week. Because I'm like how you in this position and that was my point. Yeah I'm really happy. We don't have to do a three to one. It was like well. It would have been three for David to for Brooke and then they really don't know what I would have done with that extra point like mo would I guess by default had gotten it which I think is probably how the jury would feel if it was versus Sharm so my points are actually going to be the same. I'm going to give to for Dave to David and one to Brooke for a lot of the reasons that you gave you know. I thought that the fact that David has been able to do so well and really just maintain control for so long is really truly a credit to him a credit to his social game. The fact that you not only have control but then also has the idols. You've got the moves on his resume and he has all of these players saying that he's the best player you know. Even though Tarzan still thinks he has a ten percent chance which isn't true. Like it's amazing. Like Dave I firmly. Well I ninety five percents. I'm sure that able when this amines I'm GonNa give him two points and then Brooke my Raji Dot S. I love her so much and it was devastating to see her lose that immunity challenge in the second episode. Because I really wanted her to make all the way she was able to fight as long as she did an organ challenge views. She's so skinny. She's so strong so athletic. That is amazing. She is fits. Vogel's I love her so she gets my one point. Yeah and I think that we the show. Keep the getting that. You also wanted immunity. Challenge pre pre-marriage five for the season. Which is the most in any season and it's more than any women's ever one globally. I think inspire South Africa. There was someone who I haven't watched that even that puts her up there with that. You know as much as I need them. The Mail Rick was in the US as well. So that's just amazing. You said that you think ninety five percent Dave's GonNa win. I agree the Dave is my winnipeg from here. Although I could see the Mo- argument is well. What do you want to happen next week restart dream maybe we go back to like final eight. Agai. Let's go back to final eight. Where instead of voting afford Jackie that's when Charen flips votes for Mo- or they all somehow managed of over David like that's really what I want. But that's obviously not an option. So you like J. L. P. Is going to be trouble council before you vote for the winner? There's a twist just read it back to the beginning of the gay. Yeah like why not? Hey you know what? We're all in coiling quarantine. We're all social distancing. Let's get working on that time machine because we really needed this all star season Lauren. Me Need it right okay. So all right. Let's be realistic. What do I really want to happen? I think it would be very very interesting to have a final tribal of Sharon versus Mo for a lot of reasons. I would love to see how it's edited. I would love to see the question that I would love to see how the jury voting so for me. I think that would be entertaining however the David Lay such a strong game. Even those frustrated with him at times is as like man. You're doing so well can you? Not especially against the alliance of like AK and Chani and and and raw all being together like fan it would be. It would feel appropriate to have him win. So I'm a little torn either of those. I think would be very entertaining for me like I one day to win. I think he deserves it time million. I think the day winning the final challenge taking more. Sean would be really boring. Come with Mike next week and be like. That's the thing that happened. I think Mohan shot is an interesting match up But not a fun one and I think one that would be like an unfortunate end to the season for me as muscles. I've asked about it. I Want Sean to win the challenge and takes Dave. I want what I think is going to happen to happen. Because I think it's something was talking about the US calm and at least that's really compelling like it would break me but then it would build me back up and then it would break the again and then we would break for lunch and then in Michael me back up again on where I would be next time we get on the board cost as much as it would be like a crushing moment as much as it would be like so completely insane. That's kind of why I wanted to happen. Because the season has had some big moments like Dave voting out. Davey that was a huge moment The Rock drill most probably one of the big X rays of the season. Zack flip. That's what I'm looking back on but I also think like you don't want the biggest moment of the season to come in episode three and everything to have just been going downhill since then. I think when we look back at the season I wanNA remember a big moment. Like sean making a move like this and taking Dave and what that means for the game and the season at lodge at least it would be historic so and it would still get the right winner. I think we should be Dave so I want to see. It would give us something to talk about next week and the other people to talk more about it but actually see a play. I think we'd be like be on compelling television. Well it's kind of like petty me in this moment is like mad win like I WANNA C mo and Charen being torn apart by the jury. But you're right. In retrospect especially when you look back at this season you know. What are the big things that are going to stand out? If we have the final travel council of Mo- versus. I think the season is going to have a much more negative hinge to it when people are remembering it in the history of survivor but David ends up winning. I think then it becomes about the story of David. Yes about how Dumb moves were made towards the end but I think then we really do shift as time goes on towards giving more and more deserved credit David so yes if we want to be positive I guess then then Dave winning I think would be good. I think we're GONNA get an entertaining final episode. An entertaining potentially reunion. But it's going to be. Yeah it's going to be nice to tie a bow on the. Yeah I mean definitely the story of Dave. I just feel like if if Sean doesn't Isham isn't one picking you go to the end and like what has this narrative like why hasn't been drilled into us at the point where it's really been just like something so much to talk about where we just can't hold perspective on who she wants to take to the end so much if he doesn't have that opportunity to take someone to the end whether she makes the wrong decision in Dave all like let's stay down. Takes more like either of those things happening. I think would have narrative relevance but like if Davis wins the challenge. And Take Sean on. It was like what was that. You don't really. I don't think I would understand it. I WANNA be able to understand it. I don't think Sean has any chance to win. I think of shine coming second are pretty high and I think it's just about as David Fallen Angel. All the winner is moldable angel. The winner there is definitely edit credit for both saloons things but I think the way that the narratives going I feel like it's like running downhill and it's just picking up speed and like everything we can get about Sean coming second and making the wrong decision and every time we get awfully dave being Dave. If feels like okay. This is where we're headed and it is. Is that slow moving car crash which you call away I wanna I wanNA watch that next Monday and then pace round my apartment. Yeah I mean they've one hundred percent double down on that so it's so hard to believe that that wouldn't happen but I I mean I think David's winning regardless But it does make more sense from the narrative the perspective that Sharon winds takes a n loses. Also we've gone from a tangent but I also wanted to give the cheesy off day because we haven't done that in a while and the charts have still not been ridden and my brother's going to write them for the finale next week even though Davis One because he's on twenty eight points Liana. Can you guess who is coming second in cheesy? Oh my gosh. Who Do I think came? Second in Chizzy I'M GONNA go with Shawny use coming third on ten points Guess someone gets because this is one. Okay I'll go with a K. Ak came forth on eight points the the second person that should be the season much like my brain must have also Bergen choosy second places Matt of Pre Merge Baby. So long ago he's importance in Shawnee ten. So he's he's winning. It's like what thirteen episodes ago? He was voted out. That's more than half the season at this point like what was different places getting choosy points. But he's coming second. I'm trying to work out next week. Mike and I will both give a version of three points. Honestly Sean is actually also Time Aka on eight. That's tied place mowing on five. But I also didn't write it down properly so mo could tie with if he wins next week. I guess and gets all six point for me. Mike. She would tie with Matt Rogers if she does the best possible next week. Sean could be beating garages next week again. Gets a lot of point to this point in time and what I would bet money on. Is that mat? Rogers is going to end up coming second in the cheesy Is it might be insane. Yeah yeah time to look. I don't know I don't think chizzy isn't necessarily broken. I think it's these final players games that are broken. Yeah it's it's funny because the much like the confessionals Amee in the chizzy points out is really was Dave's game it feels. It would feel empty to have him not win at the end in warms my high. How much defending that. She's eating this moment as I doubt it for the very first time I mean Dave wiping the floor with everyone. That is accurate. But it's just calmly Mirages the second time. That like Steve Bribery. Also one of the top ones because he got all the points in week one and then was like at the top of the charts all season and I was like we just a Razak. 'cause that's embarrassing can people because maybe that's a big people get negative chizzy points you know because if you do a really great move one week but you do a really bad move the next week like that should negate the positive strategy that you know you earned by your great move. 'cause that is actually something that has been heavily debate and not to get too much into the background of the. Chevy which is something I'm constantly thinking about and working on the problem with the cheese does very much highlight the bigger players because it gives them points for the the good news but doesn't take away points for the bad news is actually something that came to light very much with Dave las season wherein like he would do some stuff like with the shore and stuff and swapping the idol. You like. He's really lose points for that but he didn't because that's how that works and then he would like game points doing great stuff and then he was like it didn't really reflect probably where he should have been so we're also adding in negative points and becomes complicated and also more negative really know but also that usually is definitely kind of its way less pure when it's every three episodes as well because even more sort of like the bigger planes get rewarded because if so much you need to be giving points because it's like four hours content and so other people who would get point center fall by the wayside so the perfect chizzy is like survivor. South Africa where we like really make it work every week. But this is what we have right now and then just this week is just two episodes and then next week is randomly. One episode. Just doesn't really make a lot of sense does it? Yeah how look. How complicated do you WanNa make really go all out? Yeah you can have. Essentially everybody is constantly like every week you earn you get one negative point so you essentially have to consistently be doing good things in order to be you know above zero right. Maybe that's something you try them that way. You know you can't just can't rest on your laurels of one. Vote or you do your negatives or you know who knows yeah I could do and then this is already complicated enough so I don't I don't recommend it. I guess what I'm trying to say but if you WANNA get complicated. We can get complicated. Something legitimately considered. I'm only joking but also then it's like I could give every episode. We'd sit at the Chizzy we'd give like nine points for the best player. I also tend to love. How would be with the people going into the negatives I duNno? I thought it was a perfect formula but I'm doubting it. I'm just saying that like Matt Rogers Coming Second. Something is broken. Right Okay. We have jail. P tweets gets getaway from my dad. So that you tailpiece said Sean in season. Two Thousand Eight Tony to the final tribal so he could sit next to the biggest player at the end. It didn't work out so well for him. Dave love it. I love the shade and I love him. Maybe he does have that time machine or he's wanting that time machine because I love it when. Gop is like do this move even though you definitely know that it didn't happen John referenced it here What a fan. Yeah that's very true. Yeah truly an yeah using it to inform the strategy like thank you J. L. P. Absolutely love it. He's expelling isn't gonNA sing. This challenge will be a challenge. I'm looking at you Dave little bit of the spelling shade. Oh my God. That was amazing. I definitely wrote that down like David Spells Australia wrong. Also by the way loved the fact that it was Australian survivor all stars. Casey got tall stars. Yeah there's a lot of all stars for too much or he also said Dave Really Bussey and not in this challenge. That was an ex challenge. Oh yes I did. I wrote those down. Maybe it's just because we do the archie. Pnb and so my brain's just like anything. Funny anything stupid like you can make a game out it so. I got David smashing nut after nut. Which was the first. Oh my God jail. Just say that and the one that was Was in the tweet. It was David really busting nut to get that second target and that was the one that even me like. I'm not easily offended and I was like even couldn't even I. The woman who constantly made sixty nine jokes by God. You say that on TV television Yes. Wow let clutch my pearls. My God yes does that all the one could be taken a couple of questions about your favorite. Gop Knock Court. Was that all that they I had. I didn't write these. Yeah Yeah I think that's the only ones I wrote down. There may have been some other ones. I think is really just thrown out off after that. But Yeah the David smashing nut after I thought was pretty funny because that way you WanNa be right in the place where it's not too obvious not to over and that one. I thought you know perfect line. Yeah I mean as we've heard from GOP tweets a lot of them get caught as well you know. And that's how he feels like the place you to get an edit. He's like where am I? Where am I in appropriate comments? He says what I appreciate about him. Yes so many things he said I agree. Book broke Taking Day till the end is handing half a million dollars. Gop is definitely on the right train with this by people screaming. There is from the jury even if you're gop like you get it. Yes and that's that's what makes me feel like this is an incorrect read. Jail P gets a brook at the jury gets it. Everybody gets it mind guys awake up. Yeah he said Sean continues to be so sketchy it was like a follow up tweet when he called a sketch for a couple of weeks ago that he's following through line sketchy God. I love comedy attitude. It's like what I what I want to what he wants to say that he can't say in tribal council because Eve hose like during tribal council. Where they're all saying that like they. Can you know anyone can beat anyone? Technically he would be like. I don't know guys. That's how the game like. Are you sure about that? You don't WanNa revisit that concept so we also tweeted. This one confused me. He said with a bath the law broke his making a great pitch to mow. And Sean if she can get them to vote each other and she votes with Moe Sean Goes Home. Can she pull it off? Brooke was attempting to one and I like never got that myself. Okay so let's see so mo would have voted for Sharon. Sharon would've voted for Mo- right. David still would have voted for. Yes and then that would have allowed brook to choose who she wanted to send. I mean between MOE and Charen. Yeah that makes sense. I don't know if that was necessarily her plan. But I love that concept of like look. I'm going to go to Sharon and talk to her to make Mo paranoid and then they're like paranoid at each other sort of away from turning target off of herself and onto the two of them so I think that actually would have been really smart but I think like we talked about earlier. She was just in such a bad spot that there was nothing she really could've done. Yeah I mean. There's a reason though that had never happened until recently and have never happened in. Us alive. That's really hard to do. I feel like. Gop was being like very optimistic here. Brooke if you get every person to vote exactly how you want them to with absolutely zero power you will pull off one of the best movies of all time. It's like okay but just like even just getting to a five eighty against Sean was like one hundred not to happen. But a two one one was never gonNA happen so the fact the GOP was fleeting that out and being like this could happen. You will like drp to break into you especially because you were there but like no unfortunately not. He was so hopeful so hopeful that the thing in the past could've worked out he's like how can not even file. It's like yeah we're praying off. What would be the best move of all time like with no reason? Improbably zero pal close. Close right yeah the thing that was literally out of her reach. He's not even talking about that. He's talking about the thing that she would need to get a double. Tony sized ladder to go up and grabbing. That's not happening okay. I have some questions. From Lewis's lex humble Oscar Dave of showed auditor Brooke pre-vote to save AUSE N. Okay so he would have shown the idol to Brooke and said Hey. I'm going to use this to save Tarzan. I'M GONNA use this to save myself going home. I have an idol. Let's do something else so let us so. Let's do something together. Let's work together. Yeah I think that that could have been an option. I think if you're Yeah you know that's interesting. It would have depended on whether or not David have been like look. I'm willing to completely go to bat for Tarzana. If he was willing to lose him because it may have been an opportunity for Dave to secure his goat the person who would have done anything for him and take out a mo or Charen so that would have been a really interesting move. Yeah I think he wants to. Save Tarzan. You WanNa go to the final four which is I think emotionally. He wanted to go with todd. And it makes sense for him game wise. I just feel like he just didn't have the numbers because Brooke Working. Against Him and I think that he probably still works against him like he could say to her. Like Luke Mo and watermelon. Sean tell you voting for me like they know? I have an idol an idol. I'm not going home you're being used. I'm being honest with you. And we Taneeka do something because he tries to get the numbers in his favor. He could possibly vote out someone. Who's not Tarzan? We wants to go to the end with. I just think as well like the going against him a probably really high even if against it means voting for Tarzan just weaken him. But I think the best argument would be like the reason they want. Taivon out which is actually true is because he has a lesser shot of beating you at the challenge. They want strong challenge competitors around to beat you. So who do you want a professional athlete and no? She hasn't been killed in the challenges. But you'd better than ties. Sean is obviously has won an immunity. This season. Multiple have season if it's endurance. You've got a great shot. I WANNA teach higher than you want a better chance of winning immunity. Let's make this happen together unless Dave also really really really wanted to keep around people thought can be broke unless he thought that even getting rid of ties and it was so loyal to him was worth having a chance to win the game. You also seems really loyal to him but also the challenge competitors that might have been attention to and I wouldn't hate that yeah Potentially also you know if he doesn't want to piss off whomever would have been left from either mo or Charen like let's say they decided to take out mo and he keeps Tarzan Tarzan Brooke Dave and then Sharon is left in the game. You know. Maybe he doesn't want to disrupt that relationship could have also been an opportunity and it's interesting because Dave is a person who always seems to be constantly looking for. What are my opportunities? What who are the people that I can work with? You know you see him. Talk to brook in that second episode and be like Kay. So you're still going after me or do you want to try to make something work. So yeah. There may have been logic behind his decision to not pursue something with Brooke at that final five. I think that if he had really really really wanted to keep tossing around he would have made the attempt. So that's what makes me think? More and more as they think about it that he did think having the best trash competitive to beat Brooke was his best chance. Especially when there's so much world to him regard loyalty regardless the thing though. Is that if Brooke dozen and final four? He probably does he go home to Sean. Stick with him. Then I don't know I'm whereas if ties and it's still there and Brooklyn's ventanas voting against him than the other one of my Sean is going home or at least you know he's going around five yes so it would put him in a tricky spot for for the maybe he and he he also was banking himself when beating. Brooke and kind of that ended up being correct really just like backing himself through that so I mean I would think you would wanNA keep Tauzin. Like there's there's very little downside to having it in the game to him so yeah. I'm a bit surprised. Maybe he just thought Brooke was so against him. But he has the idol. He could show me like. I'm going home. You're not going home. Who of these other three are going home? Decided together right. Maybe he has the correct. Read that we're getting from Sharon and her insurance cash. Maybe she knows he knows like. Oh yeah she definitely wants to go with me so now. I'm cool with that with any confessionals where he's like. Shawna's tried to blindside me and stuff. It's like well not at all not very well not really old so off your impression of being tried to be blindsided like that's not what's really happening. No absolutely not yes. I don't know conflict. The results on survivor. Us Human Sean. Final two what are the Chances Shawnise? Question and voting confessional is a highlight of Nali or possibly the season. Oh my Gosh I. I'm very excited. If that's the case and I I think they're gonNA show it. The editors are going to show. Because you know there's always a question of like well if the jury really goes in how much are we gonNA see as viewers? But I really think we're going to see it. I expected not just from Shawnee I mean I think she going to be you know obviously as my winter pick love her to death. I think she's going to be very entertaining but I think we could see some really amazing jury questioning to Sean from a lot of these players. That are on the jury. Yeah I mean I think Shawny because you already hasn't voted Sean. You know right so to do that. I think about people who haven't voted for someone to win twice. Rubidoux voted Sandra to win twice. And that's very notable but like the able to stand up there and be like you're not getting my again. Yeah actually ever seen that. I'm just beginning at the top of my head and I think it would be iconic because it would be Shawny but I do think. Yeah I think that AK Shawny. Some of these people would relish. Especially if it's again against Dave not having to Sean and if it's moving from Oh if against each other it's going to be like a sad sad vote for the SEC. Because they've got a hairy also. I think it'd be particularly entertaining so looking forward to it if it happens. Yeah it's GONNA be crazy. We'll have another question Jason. Fagin could've more. Even edit have got us yet with a real belief that any of these final three might be able to win a jury vote like in season three magic of editing. You know who knows what ended up on the cutting room floor. I think as you talked about with MOS manufactured at it. I think the problem is that we. We've we get the sense that it's manufactured but I think to somebody who isn't constantly looking at the at it and our total survivor nerds like we are could be convinced the. Oh yeah most got a good chance to win so I can see okay. You've got a really good at it for David. Got a good at it for Mo- and then I think a good at it for Sharon is not that hard to pull off you know. She's rid the middle and has been able to make some strategic decisions. You can put it in a way with her confessionals that make it seem logical on like what we're seeing right now so. I think it's definitely possible. I think that you posted the editors ruled out has been Sean as I've said one over one hundred confessionals than Dave when she's been so crucial to the few then and so much emphasis on the second place thing in the runner up thing and then he is like A. That's a through line. Because she's contact and before so it's interesting and I get it. But it really has highlighted that like Sean cast levels zero chance of winning this game whereas memo I think that the biggest thing in her favor of whatever winning would be hereditary a fallen angel things it could go either way but like I get it from an Oedipus as I said it's been so glowingly positive so in turn like some sometimes very game but also some somewhat removed from some other some of how the jurors which very relevant have felt about her show. I think a lot of what she was doing. So it's given her a ton of credit she has like seventy something confessional which apparently was around this time with. Harry had way moment vegetables at the same time. You don't need to have the most confessionals to win. She definitely has enough of edit to win and in some ways. It's almost like more confusing because Davis one hundred forty but you get why. The editors wanted to do that whether you agree with it. That's one thing but you get it. I could see a world in which even if David voted out here at four. And let's say Brooklyn won the challenge. I could see him getting pretty much as big at it you know. Because he's making it fought is Dave the editor love him. I get it. Whereas like Mos edit I think is largely based on wherever she finishes up whether she wins. Angel like that feels like it kind of dictates the edit whereas Dave I think dictatorships earned at it so I could see more waiting at it. I think that when you post news out of Sean Right and and I think that's where the question of like. Oh if it was a more even eh do we think we could have seen a world in which Charen actually does have a fighting chance? Because I agree with you. I think with the way the things are right now. I know way like I. Just don't see her winning but I think you could have done it in such a way and put it together in such a way that she does come out of this looking like somebody who could win a jury vote at the end. Yeah she gets fifty percent more content. Instead of like forty confessional. She's on sixty confessionals and her confessionals about taking day to the end more of a question of like taking to the could be good for me or have you my friend. Mo You'd be like okay. Well now it's based on. We'll she makes the decision now. It's based on. Would she win against smokers even feels like while I think would win? You know thinking of the jurors individually. I also think would win because I don't think Sean can win. So in that matchup and the editor is dictating thoughts as much as I'm trying to look at it objectively. So yeah if she was brought up to the confessionals. I really think that her game deserves because she'd been so important. Then yeah we would have a chance of thinking like a maybe bring to the end. Maybe she wouldn't make that move because it's more of a question and then if he doesn't make that move against Mo it's even match off it's probably as even a matchup as it should be a mind but the edit then you know kind of walks out yeah exactly one hundred percent and like you talked about throughout this entire season. Oh if we'd seen the relationship between Mohan Charen then at the end with his final three. It's like oh well they'll probably take each other right sort of set up with this narrative even if. Dave is the person who is even in your mind of most likely to win. It's still he. He has to win instead of getting the the confessional that says that. Tron will take him. You know though if we just don't see that like I don't know maybe she does do it. You can't edit it in a way that makes any sense. It is a question. Yeah you do it as a question. You don't do it as a this is a thing that I am definitely doing. Which is what we've gotten this season. Yeah I mean. Machine is opposed ratings on her promises. So you could see a growing either way like that. Could be the thing like I said. I take day but I'm not then. That comes back to bite her in the either way. It doesn't look good for Sean. Chances of winning. You're so right about like the Sean and more Continues to be crazy to me. They've never mentioned on the show. Like that's in say like it's dictated through much of the strategy and we talk about it so much on the podcast cause slow important. And they act thing that doesn't exist and the two of the final three and they could be the final two and we don't even hear about it in the edit insane insane. There's a lot of things there's a Lotta Leon a man I feel. I feel I feel better. I don't know I can't tell I had a lot of fun talking to you. That and I definitely know is true. Yeah I think I feel a little bad Iraq did about something. A Lot may never happen next. Like your dimension of dangerous wins the challenge again like you would think is the likely to happen in terms of his challenged ability and we're like. Oh glad I go rant and actually because it's something Sean said and it's still deserves attention whether it happens or not and the way that they got there. It all deserves attention by next week crazy. It's just a one of the finale. The final three then the reunion which is gonNa be something. Gop TRAFTON AMERICA. Many of the contestants able to attend no audience. I don't know how it's GonNa look but I admire them for trying in the trying times we are in so it's going to be a lot and I will be back to talk about it with my gloom for the finale. It's funny because it was meant to be my jaw like lassie than last season was actually just meant to be my job to watch the week two and then he ended up watching a whole season. He came in with Manali podcasts. This season was meant to be Mike and Josh. Josh completely fell away and I feel like that sums up a lot of things. Yeah yeah right exactly we need. That's what we use as the marker of how good a season is. Does Josh. Stop watching at at what point you could track that throughout the seasons. I think that that's a good idea using hopeful because he was very far behind me. He's like I'm going to catch up. I'm like okay then. He was like three weeks behind them. Like is it happening? He was like maybe now I was like behind him like I don't think that he was like Nah. It's not happening but I will be back to talk about it with my to talk about. The season at lie should talk about role. Sean I make what I'm calling the worst moving survivor history. Only time will tell but Bolanos. What is the Hashtag cost? I mean Ha's idle yes. Oh that's what I've written down. I was like how. How is it not Tarzana at all? I just have that mental image and it's something that as weird as it is. I would like to cement in the HASHTAG. You know how they said that the the challenge Eitel in saliva fell looks like Willard like. Maybe that's how I'm thinking of the next immunity idol through immunity is. This is a little statue so cute. I could get the beard the hair it actually could be pretty iconic. I think it'd be great. Actually Liana what do you have going on now? The where Asian lockdown podcasting got an all-time highs. I know right. Who would've thought yes? He can find me on social media at Liana R. H. A. P. and I am doing the RHA. Pnb with Mike Bloom. We had a guest Nicole dress. Well who is actress? Comedian extraordinary talking about the latest episode of winners at war. I also got together with Brent. Welcome on a Mon- Edwin to talk Rupa's drag race episode four drew so much fun ball ball was just brilliant and lots of balls less nuts but you know we got the ball so that was great. I also talked to my sister about Lego masters. Us We covered episodes five. Six and seven will probably be back for one more after the finale. So it's been a lot of fun. It's really easy show to watch. I Know Shannon you're You're excited to watch it. Yeah yes I love losses in Australia and I was thinking like what am I going to do with my quarantine time? I'm like I'm going to be able to catch up on Lego MAZDAS annual coverage. I honestly wanted to things was stranded saliva ends and get my life back and Allegra Mazdas is like top of this. Yeah see so be like Shannon and then also the Massingir podcast this week. We didn't do an episode due to like some travelling things but we'll be back with a double episode next week so look out for that at all in their respective beats who feel like Mike Bloom over here. I'm done feeling lately who is the host of liberal mass is in the US? Oh Will Arnett. Who was the voice of Lego Batman Oh that's even though. I like that. A law because arrested development fan. Yes I feel like the meam of media. Huge Mistake is pretty pretty relevant. We've been talking about today. That makes me watch even more the one shining. Light of lockdown. Yeah no he is. He's as good as the host of some people are like. Oh He's a little too much but I loved him obviously from arrested development as well and I think that it's very on brand for that so I think you'll enjoy him. I'm so excited to watch Lake Austin right now. All right we'll follow the action engage all of this. I have some podcast of plug my gloom style as well. It was my last hulking tribal last night because they're doing some different stuff at the league. Which on involved in so everyone check out. It was just me James on the couch. A really good shot and if you call watching like definitely check out the podcast the podcast. I would like sometimes. I listen to it because I just wanted to show and I'm like listening back to the podcast last night. And like the way they edit it like. There's a lot more stuff in the Gaza especially like all the silly stuff that they like to put it into the show of that stuff on the podcast. Check that out. You can subscribe to that threatens five at twelve noon tribal. Check it out on ten play. I did a podcast a week and a half ago that I forgot to plug on every podcast. I've done since and is now irrelevant but I wanNA plug. Because it's very different. Basically I went onto the thirty two fans podcast with Akiva. In my first non survive upon cost we talked about. Asl Super Bowl. We explain the Games Wiki very we help them pick a team. Which was really really fun by we. I mean me and my husband. Pedo we went on earth together and it was so super fine and in the time since I forgot to plug it. Australia and Australian football fell was unfortunately it was on and that it was splitting so this is like the worst but I do want to give it some voice so that if you want to hear me talk about saliva and chatting with my husband on a different format check out that episode of thirty two and. I'm sorry implying early on as I said. Next week finale. We'll be with Mike Bloom. The exit interviews will be talking to broken a couple of hours. I spoke to yesterday or those exit will be out soon as well. Globalist happening for win. Is War last week? I spoke to Asia Burger about US winners war. Next week I'll be talking to a reporter. Who was the executive producer of survivor? South Africa to get some very unique insights and again that season and leg of the two shining life in my life right now so check out that content as well and yeah. I also done play stuff. Leon blum level at the moment. I'm so proud of us. We're GONNA go. I was like yeah. Just give me some time. Deport cost in lockdown with. And I'm like all the things to podcast about going to end has been put forward. What are we talking about? You know talked about this earlier but big brother. Canada is over now is like oh I could do morning updates because I'm at home like I have more. Oh no put out all. It's going to be a lot of like re watches. Yes yes a lot of RECAP PODCAST COMING OUT. Old Seasons like it would just going to have to have like a lockdown podcast. We'll be just talk about you. Know whatever the day. We're on of walk down. This is all very sad or who doesn't happen. I hope the content comes back to. Tv's there's more survivor this year and after wins it will. We get more seasons whether in South Africa Australia America like I feel like I was excited. I was like five seasons of survivor happening in twenty twenty two of them at least are all stars. Like what a time to be alive. I've never seen what a time to be alive again terra. No that was totally a mistake and also for me I was like Oh my God so many things are going to happen for me in two thousand twenty like twenty twenty as my year. Twenty twenty stupid twenty twenty yes. You're not man table together. Yeah Yeah it's been a lot as I've said on every podcast. We hope that this gave you some distraction from things that matter because well the sean takes to the end. I mean at Madison Survival. But it doesn't matter and it's nice to carry about things that don't matter like actually it was really nice. I'm grateful for those distracting. Things always have them and hopefully we will continue to and I'm grateful to be able to pull in custody Leon. How Fun and not think about the two hours while we chat and that is a gift to me so thank you thank you Shannon. This really was so much fun. And I you know loved getting a chance to preview at least part of the cast and now feels like we've come full circle. Get to talk about everything. So thank you for having me on so much I finally got to talk about. Sean was something you could even freezing. Because they weren't announced. I thought so many times next week does Mike is going to be again what happens. I've got some. I've got some rance coming up. We're GONNA value stuff at lodge. I don't know if this was going to turn people off from not watching but you know what I'm going to have a little stir-crazy so it's GonNa be good. I'm excited thank you so much on great to talk to you. Thank you Scott. Saint-pierre behind the scenes. Thanks you all for listening. Welby safe out there. It is a crazy time as Liana said you're all in this together. We hope that this gave you some fun. 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A stock picking competition, dealing with post-christmas debt and collecting coins

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The F money mental who has lots to say about zero percent credit card deals and finally could finding an unusual coin in your special change being off to pay off your debts as the Roman launches a new range of collectible coins for twenty nineteen we ask if they ever a good investment. Welcome to the money show. The F tease weekly podcast about personal finance and investing. I'm barrett. Eddie money at a bringing you all of this week's money news. The performance of world. Stockmarkets startled investors at the end of last year. Having enjoyed long bull run powered by central Bank stimulus in the wake of the financial crisis. When markets will head in two thousand nineteen is of all the vexed question. But the F tease annual stopping competition is one way affecting your minds. Joining me now to discuss his Robert Smith, the capital markets correspondent the F T. Welcome to the Polk author of its hiker say excitingly rediscovered enter the competition for the first time this year. We'll give more details of exactly how to do. So in a minute. But I can tell us about how this contest dotted. So the causes started a few years back before I was at the F T, and it was devised by mouth Johnson. He was then investment editor he's now around bureau chief so covering very different things. Yes to the frying pan into equally chaotic, but different things, and as many of our listeners may know, it's really hard for journalists to invest in individual stock. Folks, because there's all sorts of ethical problems. If we end up writing about those companies and influencing your share price is probably not a bad thing in the long run because it's not actually a good idea to invest in individual stocks. It's a much better idea to set your money in an index fund and not worry about it. But it's a lot of fun investing in individual stocks. So miles came up with this idea that we could do vase of simplified stock picking contest where we pick five stocks either long or short so long manger passing the price of rice short means. You're betting the price will. Yes, exactly. And the cost of entry said speak was a charitable donation to the FTC's all appeal which this year is habitat for humanity. Yes. And and we have entered about the grief advanced thirty writers, including me tell you more about my picks laser and made all donations to habitat for humanity. It's up to you readers listening at home. If he wants make. Nation to it's not compulsory. I would encourage you to to read the full link in the entry form about the work that doing. So the challenge is to pick five stocks that people think believe Roy's will full the maced in two thousand nineteen but of the F T rises vented Rover on Mason the making big shorts. Some it's an interesting question because for much of the year last year, the stock market did incredibly well, and the people he would just blind Neagh on long tech stocks, for example, for in the lead but change ups it was actually people who tended to have very small short bats that ended up during the best. And when you're making your investment decisions, this recency bias people call it things were really bad in the last few months. Oh my God. They're going to be bad. So we always have a nice mix of Longdon shorts. But there's a lot of people with evil all short portfolios or four shorts. Some one wrong. Which is a bit unusual and depressingly a lot of them are focused on the UK, so Dem's and Thomas Cook. I think the too short stocks in all contest, which is interesting because both stocks down massively last year. They could still full further. They see that exactly as the example of Caribbean. Showed Caribbean is down nineteen percent. I think in two thousand seventeen and then it was down one hundred percent in two thousand eighteen just because something's fallen a lot doesn't mean. It went full service still, well, we've had five hundred readers as I said say for he have entered. I don't have data to handle the how many of them have gone lower short. But we will be writing a piece about that. After the deadline of Monday, the fifteenth of January when we can analyze more of the data collectively. So how can Robert people listening at home enter the contest? Yeah. It's really simple just plug in www F T dot. Com slash stock picker, and there's a really easy formed for then why you just fell in your five stocks, and you click Longo show now there are few roles than not particularly come on essentially, don't pick ETF's so of investment trusts, the really just a basket of stocks. Don't pick anything which is like not accompany. Yes. Just take a company, but there's loads of fun. You can have this like the FTC writers. We have two people who along different football clubs, Manchester United eventers that both listed the guy who's long eventers is actually an AC on fan. And he's doing as an emotional hatch because he'll be ready pissed off if they do well, but he'll do might win the competition. Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, there's all sorts of fun. You can have just tried to make sure the five picks are companies. And I've I've said in in a separate little piece written for the schools, Email the. This could actually be quite a good thing to today with all the children to engage them in the stock market, especially with with companies like football teams or retailers or big household brands to just get them thinking about about how the stock market worked so slightly on natural. We know to be guessing the performance of a stock over one year when people should be investing for the long term. But it is engagement to say that in mind when you're making selections, but Robert what is the price of the regency you have the best performing failures. This is a good question. You get to come into office and gopher us and say, why was I able to beat you supposedly legible financial writers, which is you say for for all the schoolchildren out there who on an F T solve of access for the schools, which is a great scheme. This would be fantastic price to to come in. And look around the newsroom, I probably would have looked at when I was seventeen eighteen is quite which child. So. Yeah. Of with with children. I have to say we'll thanks very much. That's a robot. Smith the link to the entry form again is F T dot com slash stock picker and that link contains all the rules, terms and conditions and details of the F tease seasonal appeal to help habitat for humanity. And if you want to read Robert Smith's various column about the history of the contest, and who one out of the tea Reuters into one thousand eighteen F T dot com slash money where you can find that article. Party's David Smith loves it. When people ask him, what do you do for a living? He is a commercial skipper delivering yachts around the world yet ten years ago. This was an industry he didn't even know existed for wage slaves who are listening and thinking how on earth. Did he do that? Wait, no longer as David joins me on the line. Now. Hello sailor. So before we get on to how you made this drastic career change tantalize us with a bit about what you actually do. Well, I spend most of my time working for your delivery company and somebody just wants to move for me to be and that can be accosted. Atlantic can be around Europe. It can be just around the British Isles just along the coast of England for people who may be on so comfortable feeling offshore. Or maybe someone's both boats I needed to move to where they're going to use the boat. Fantasy that these two like you speak cash, rich and time pool said acquaint happy to engage your company, and indeed you to skipper. They ought to win a needed to be around the world. Now, give us a taste of wag your adventures have taken you in the past few years. It's in the probably the most to me the most interesting places like Bermuda, which is an Ireland dole in Seoul in Atlantic. I would never get their other wise. I love Messina between Sicily in Italy yourself that through their intent. Nah in the background snow on it to brought her and Ganzi. It's nice. It's interesting going to British overseas. Territories and seeing where they're like Dublin zero favorites lovely marina down than the and even tens get into Cornwall. I'll edinburgh. So these are far away places for me anyway, but just beautiful places just to sail into and spend a day or two and sometimes have to go and consultant outlets to find out where the places are last year was one two from brief. Spout in Germany on the polish border through the Kiel canal, new, German Dutch belt and friends costs. And of course at Dover. Bring back to the Soland and that was a fascinating journey. Very shallow water knew more than twelve meters along the whole journey and through the busiest shopping Laden's and on the planet. So really intense passage, but absolutely throwing going through the Kiel canal, sixty sixty kilometers across the peninsula that takes you up to Denmark. Now, David say, plenty of you sailing ahead of you. But tennis, no how you made the switch from being chartered surveyor to professional yacht skipper. Well, I've always feel of bringing my dad's boat is inside low twenty five. This Lisa stage at. I want my wife said what would you like to do more of? And you're Li two years. And I said I would love to sail more, unfortunately, she's north a sailor, so simple. How you going to do that? And I started scanning around the internet furthest loss of chaplains and Facebook pages, and it was a chance encounter with one where they were looking for crews to join them from says affronts to extend boo and. Very quickly was on a plane and the next day and heading off into the Mediterranean on that point. I was absolutely. Just the whole rhythm of life on both on the ball time. You're on wash for three hours your offer six hours on this Ron Zoll through the night. And there's a lot of time you spend a lot of time sleeping. But when you're on watch your driving, the boards, and you always been playing saving. Now, we might be complaining about she'll be mocha's, but you're often dealing with real the chill Wolters. Well, what you do any risk as you do risk it and the weather forecasting twos. We have no these are second to none. You can forecast. The weather seven days a very accurately wants to win goes above twenty dollars, which is about twenty four twenty five miles per hour will make a decision days in advance to pool into port and just sit state because our job is to deliver the ball in his good or better condition than I we receive it and pushing to limits as the purpose of exercises quite that. Eventually we will reap that in the sales make them smaller. So there's less strain on the rigging on a lot of times. We're on the engine. I mean, there's a big of a saying that if you want to know where you're living boat to where the wind is coming from. So. You have to motor towards the destination. But I think the key thing is picking your moment. I will never take delivery with a time constraint which forces me to make a bad decision. Whether and that's where those any doubt about so speak to Halsey, and we'll talk through the weather charts and manage expectations with the winners. But. We'll pick favorable weather across in Atlantic. You pick the time of year. So you will more sports. We'll go to the canopy, and and the awesome and come back in the spring because they can catch the trade winds going out and the cutting some trade winds coming back. So you just pick pick your moment for when strength and also time of year avoid the hurricane season. You'll very good at managing risk own point different. From your previous Karima you in managing she'll consensus to land securities with the state of the history of the maybe perhaps it good time to take to the seas. But finally, David what would your advice be for anybody listening? He's considering a similarly dramatic change in career direction. If you love feeling your delivery everybody that cruise with me love failing. Been nobody's making that choice because for any random reason, they're doing it because they love this ailing just get on with it you need to sample affair, but the paperwork, so your master course, see survival course ocean safety. See you did a medical you need them for states difficult. So you collect quite a lot of paperwork some of which has to keep getting renewed. But to join a crew all you would need to I think coastal skipper certificate or your masters certificate and just get my under the keel. Thanks to David Smith commercial, y'all skip it and surely one of the most envied men in Burson to read David's all cicle and other inspiration reach. You can go to empty dot com slash next acts on you content hub for rita's in later life. Thank you very much David for joining us today. Thank you. Coming up on the F T money showed collectible coins, and how if you could find a coin featuring Pugh gardens in your pocket, it could be worth a small fortune. But I all you dreading the paste Christmas credit card Bill just because you were in a city salary doesn't make you a Munich from white a debt problems as on money mentor. Columnist Lindsay cook has been finding out and she joins me now to discuss welcomed in see site before Christmas, you attended an event in the city called debt me out of here. Tell me more while he was organized by an organization called she's on the money, and it was attended by about forty professional women and a couple of men men, and they had one thing in common. They had debts. Now, they weren't missing credit card payments or things like that they would just about, but they're paying minimum payments. And they were noticing that every January they owed a bit more than they had the previous January and in the back of their mind. They were thinking I'd like to be able to save some money. So that one day maybe I can buy a house they weren't poor people in other than that. They didn't have money in the Bank. They were mostly earning. Pretty good salaries in a coupla cases. Very good salaries, but the the money just escaped from them from payday shopping and invisible spending in the they go out for some which at lunchtime and end up with the full shebang. So many of the women the events that they go into trouble with no percent credit card deals. What was a typical story. You heard. Well, they wouldn't say zero calls calls in the trouble that transferred to them. And it was one woman in particular. She was on her third zero interest credit card, and she it was to run out and shooting. Should I get another the first one I took how was for two thousand I'm now up to five thousand what should I do? And the answer is. Actually change especially habits because these are a good tool if you have debts, and you want to stop spending, and you take one out and you get zero interest on the debt from the time. Trump's vote you do pay a fee to Trump spur from into the new credit card, but they are a good deal as long as you obey the rules. But certainly a lot of the credit card company say, well, you've sent on the balanced transfer of yours have no percent on the first nine months of of new purchases, which is perhaps how some of the women at the event go into further trouble. But of course, for people who are saddled with high interest credit card debt that they can't pay off in one go as she said switching to percent deal can be a useful way of managing the debt. But what are your top tips for anybody? He was looking to do that. Well, first of all check out whether you are eligible on ineligibility calculator because if you apply. Why is a heart an straight credit card company, and you turn down or you're offered less than you wanted. That's a hard optimization. And then other companies have it on your credit records and their look at a who she's applied to sewn. So now, she wants another five thousand from us. They think you building up tremendous debt, they realize all the just think, oh, she's been turned down for them. We must be batteries yet one hundred either. So the energy Lucy check, we'll basically give you an idea, but cooling any imprints on your credit. Fall of what you what what could be available, but then in terms of dealing with the debt when you get it through. Well, you must absolutely make the minimum payment each month. If you miss by a day by a pound, you got to accurately you then get penalties. Your interest rate is three the stratosphere. It's more than a normal credit card. You gotta black Mark on your credit record. So that is one thing you should. Do but you really should cut up the card and pay off by the final date say whether you do this by pay minimum payments, and saving the rest in interest bearing account and then paying each off before the last day. However, you do it you must meet I the last day, and it's the best way to do it. And if you transferred from one old account you can use that few spending. But make sure you pay off in full every month because you've now got down to a manageable level, you shouldn't be spending more in a month, and you could afford and finally Lindsey in your column in money this week round up some of the best deals on. Nope. Credit cards. Give us a flavor of the top ones. Well, virgin money and post office of a twenty eight months interest free the pretty good account. And if you apply and are accepted, you get twenty eight months where some of the other. Cards say up to twenty six months or whatever. And it can be that they off you have the money you are full and for half the time, you won't now is better to take that and clear some of you debt. Does it all on going to apply? Elsewhere so eighty stalked on your clearing your debts. But it may not be Unser. And if he would like to re Lindsey cooks fool column or you dreading the Christmas credit card Bill that's online now after you dot com slash money and will be in the money section inside this afternoon as additional of the F T weekend newspaper contains full details of old villages credit card deals all say about she's on the money events in the city. Will you be hunting down? The new shallow comes fifty Pence piece regular this is the I am a huge fan of detective fiction. So I was thrilled. Frankly to see the Roman is releasing a special coins amount of the one hundred sixty thousand -versity of the birth of homes creator, sir. Offer Conan Doyle part of the. Woman's uncirculated coin set for the ship, all these collectibles ever, the good investment hits. Molly for this three. Pipe problem. With me is Dominic chimney numismatic specialist at Baldwin's welcomed on. Hello. Thanks very much for coming in today. The woman they release a pack of these uncirculated coins. Every don't they? Yeah, they do and they're always near designs for things like the fifty Pence piece in the two pound coin. They tend to celebrate famous people important people important inventions or national monuments things like that. And we've got one here in the studio. I mean, I have say it's a lovely thing. There's lots of information about the individual coins as a special on d day. Samuel peeps. Shallow cames we've mentioned Queen Victoria and deci wish for so is an educational gift. They certainly carry a lot of cachet, but the retail price for this pack is fifty five pounds yet. The coins have face value of Justice fifty pounds. I think the key. Thing is that these collectible items, you'll see on the front of the pack says brilliant uncirculated, which is high quality than you'd get in standard change. They also do proof coins, which minted with highly polished, dyes and things like that really high quality items, and they can go in value over the is also it depends on how popular the coin saw with the public. There were certain designs like with the Beatrix Potter coins, which were very very popular. After the coins were issued by the mint the men tissues, some special colored coins, and those were very very popular and sold out almost instantly. So now the colored Beatrix Potter coins from the first series in their original boxes worth significantly more than the meant sold. Them originally. Okay. Say bit drew explosive. This is not a bad investment. But these coins the clues in the name they went end up in normal secularization unless collector foolish enough to actually spend them, but the sheer number of the means that has a thriving market online for the ones that do slip into circulation. Able to pound one pound fifty p coins turning up in your spare change say what should we be looking out for? I think it's difficult to judge exactly which ones are going to be valuable, but we know from the past things like the fifty Pence piece with Q gardens, the Q pagoda design is worth significantly more than its face value. They can sell for seventy or eighty pounds nowadays. But that's purely down to the mintage numbers that were very very few made by comparison to the other coins issued in that year. So only a couple of hundred thousand compared to a million of some of the other types. So as a result the gardens fifty p is one of the most sought-after coins, you can find in your change other than that. There's also the undated twenty Pence piece which was issued in two thousand eight by mistake when they changed the design the year-old. Exactly. Yeah. They change the date from one side to the other, but issued some coins with the wrong person the wrong reverse dies. So neither side had a date, and they can be worth forty fifty pounds for twenty Pence. Exactly. Yeah. But. Regarding these new ones, we what really know how many minutes issued until a couple of years down the line when they released them into Vegas, and you never know there may be one of the fifty pieces of the pound coins in that's how to significantly lower mintage limit. Well, thank you very much. That's Dominic shawny from Baldwin's. You can read more about the Royal mint release and coin collecting on our website now if you go to t dot com slash money. That's it from the money. Shay this week. It's a contact all team of Rice's and experts Email us money at after dot com or follow us on Twitter or handle is at F T money. We'll be back next week, the usual time goodbye.

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