19 Episode results for "Shawn Lane"

A Very Special Message from DG: We're Bringing You More

Seeking Wisdom

01:06 min | 1 year ago

A Very Special Message from DG: We're Bringing You More

"Hey everybody it's digi and I have a little special announcement for you. That's why I'm coming into your feed like this. So we've been building up this amazing network of Policies podcasts, Pikis podcasts of gas here at drift started seeking wisdom. Then we have built and we got growth and we got op. So he got exceptions and we got the swipe file but I want to give you a quick heads up right now that we are breaking them all off into their own separate podcast feed. So seeking wisdom will have its own feed and those other podcasts will be easy to find. So go and subscribe to. Growth of your fan of Sean lanes growth show search growth growth drifts something like that in in itunes in in Apple podcasts wherever you get your podcast. So growth will have its own feed and ops will have its own feeds. You can go search for the OPS. Show I, say growth was when Shawn Lane that's map light. So the growth with Matt and Sean Lane ops are both in their own feed go and check them out subscribe. If you love those guys is show give him some love and see if they can keep up with what Maggie's doing out there with built. All right. We'll see.

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Simplifying Healthcare Workflows with AI with Sean Lane, CEO at Olive AI

Outcomes Rocket

17:50 min | 2 years ago

Simplifying Healthcare Workflows with AI with Sean Lane, CEO at Olive AI

"Welcome to the outcomes rocket podcast where we inspire collaborative thinking improved outcomes and business success with today's most successful end, inspiring healthcare leaders and influencers and now your host so Marquez. Welcome back to the podcasts saw Marquez here. And I have the true pleasure of having today's guest on the show. His name is Shawn lane. He's the CEO at olive a Shawn's a life long technologists who grew up in a small rural town in Ohio and started his career in the US intelligence community owning leadership positions in the department of defense and the national security agency, Sean served five combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and was awarded the defense meritorious service medal and bronze star medal for his service after government service. Sean started his life as an entrepreneur and has since founded several technology companies dealing with big data advanced analytics entity resolution and most recently artificial intelligence. He's raised over seventy million in venture capital is a leading expert in applying AI in healthcare is a graduate of Miami university, which is. Where I went to. And also an honorary doctorate of public service from the university of Rio Grande and was previously named Ernst and young entrepreneur of the year. So lot of accolades here a lot of great things going on. So it's a privilege to have you on the podcast, Sean, thanks for joining think sauce pleasure to be here. Hey, so Sean you've done a lot in your life. And you know, appreciate your service and all the things that you've done for the country. And now, you know, the work that you're doing in health care. What is it that made you get into this sector of health care will? Thanks. I appreciate it. So I was it was around twenty eleven I had just sold my last company and living of living in Baltimore, Maryland, really looking at what to get into next. I had started to invest in startups and was creating a few technology companies mostly centered around the world, I knew which was defense and then my hometown, which is again, a small rural town in south eastern, Ohio was having a pretty acute problem with prescription drug abuse. And. You know, I'd friends and family that were affected by that problems. I really wanted to do something to help and just given my, you know, technology intelligence background. I started to think about solutions. My got in contact with the CEO the local health system there and my hometown. And that's really when I started looking at healthcare, and that healthcare system, let me look at their data systems and look at their health information systems, they were using and the takeaway, I had initially was whoa. You guys. Don't have the internet healthcare doesn't have internet. Nothing's connected. No data's being shared. You. Don't even really know who a patient is across different organizations. So it became a mission in mind back in twenty twelve to build the internet of healthcare to try to connect everything together. And that's really what ultimately led to where we are today with all of which is creating this layer of artificial intelligence that one day will be able to connect everything together. Very cool. Very cool. I love that. And as just organic you found a way to give back to your community and your skills and talents just dovetail nicely into it. It gives us an example of how you've done things differently and create a results. Yes. So when you look at things like connectivity and inner connectivity in health care, a lot of focus goes into homogenising kind of data flows behind the scenes in the system's API is and how connectivity can occur between different pieces of software. It we've never really even though that's been our focus. We've never done that very well and health healthcare, and we took a little bit of a different approach to it at all. We said what if we could create a software robot eh could log into any piece of software just like a human would and take on tasks that human typically perform we found that there's a lot of repetitive. Gonna high volume tasks that were being done at really high costs, especially in the billing and financial side of healthcare administrative side in what we kind of different orthogonal approach, we took to it was if we can create a software robot that can take over these tasks we can a reduce a lot of the cost of healthcare. But. Be we can start to allow these Botts to create connections with each other in ways that just software loan could never do. So it's almost like creating a software user, and then allowing that software users to share data between each other to really overcome a lot of the boundaries between software that existed at. Yeah. That's a really neat idea. And I know that one of the very common misconceptions of AI and empowering Botts to take on repetitive tasks because that, hey, it's gonna take my job for my angle couldn't be further from the truth. But I I mean I'd love to hear what your thoughts are on. That are. Yeah. Here's a couple of things. I mean, if you look at history this never proven to be the truth. Right. I mean, there's been a lot of advancements or times in history where a technology has been used to scale humans. That's of the the lingo we use around here. Scaling humans is essentially getting more out of the human workforce in allowing technology to enable people to accomplish things they never could before. And that's always been. The case throughout history. Whether be you know, the wheel or the printing press or the combustion engine or the internet personal computers. Always introduced this technology that allowed humans to do things that they never thought possible. The same thing will happen with AI in healthcare. It will free up the humans. It'll take the robot out of the human and allow the human to spend more time doing things that are uniquely positioned for them. So I think the only way for us to achieve some of the moon shots that we have thought about with healthcare like interoperability like during rare diseases and introducing new drugs quickly, those things can only be done by the introduction of scaling technology. And I think a is that technology. So what will find is new positions will be created as a result of this? In fact, it will probably increase employment in healthcare versus decrease it love that. Yeah. I think it's a great call out. So as we build out different use cases for the technology. I'm sure you've run into some some issues can you share? Maybe a setback that. You had what you learn from it and feel like we learn more from those things in the good stuff. Will you know, when we first started looking at software robots doing jobs in healthcare are aperture was berry wide. Right. So there are so many different tasks within healthcare, which so many different ways to apply this technology, and it becomes an issue of where do you wanna start? And where do you wanna focus? So in the beginning, we were very wide, and our aperture we really looked at a lot of different departments in in places within the healthcare system that we could apply this technology and some were better than others. And when we applied this to some lower volume tasks or things that were not necessarily equipped or there wasn't a lot of human data to train the system. I we didn't find as good as a results when we really focused in the high volume repetitive tasks that humans have been doing where there's a lot of historical data to train a systems. We found a lot of success. So mistakes early on were basically trying to boil the ocean with technology versus finding them the first immediate impact where we can have the. Highest the highest effects of really introducing this new technology into the operations of Everyday Health care. Yeah. That's that's interesting. And so as you guys boil down to the things that you wanted to niche down to you've had more traction. And so what would you say today with some of that traction is one of the most proud things that you've achieved at olive. Yeah. That's a great question. So there are many situations. Now, many examples where all of has gone in as a digital employees as another colleague into these organizations specifically in red cycle, and has freed up the humans to do things that they've never had the time or just hours in the day to do so hearing from them and hearing them that they would not go back to the old way that if they had to go back to the old way, they would quit. Those kinds of things are a really good for us because it's not just saving money for the health system. It is increase. Being in improving the quality of life of the workers. So instead of sitting in front of their computers in acting like robots they can use their skills to do things that they've always wanted to do. And just never could in constantly were hearing those stories across different healthcare organizations have adopted it. So that's probably the thing that we're most proud of is really providing tangible asset to them that they can rely on every single day. They can lean on every single day to make sure that these jobs are getting done getting done consistently. Love it. How about today? What's an exciting project or focus that you're working on? We'll so today, we we have built this really amazing platform upon which we build the olives building a I bought noting a software robot that can go in and learn tasks of of hospitals and be able to replicate those is not necessarily easy. Right. So we've built this really incredible that allows us to do that. And now we're making dances in that platform that allow us build olives much. More quickly much more efficiently. And not only has that allowed us to proliferate olive into healthcare at a much higher velocity. It's also allowed us to open up that platform to others who want to build upon it. So it won't just be all of building olives. It will be any organization that uses our form could build their own olives in that exponentially has an impact on the digital workforce. That will soon be know large majority of what's happening in healthcare today. So why did you go with the name olive? You know, we were brainstorming names for this robot? We wanted to accomplish a couple of things we wanted to have a female name because a lot of Healthcare's dominated by female leadership. So we really wanted olive to come with that credibility from the beginning. We wanted it to be something that was a thing and the person's name an AI is human esque, but also technology. We also wanted to have the word live in it, which we thought was important for health care the icon, stands alone. Pretty well. And is a one word. The fruit kind of like apple which we thought was neat. I love that a love that. Now. That's really good. Appreciate you sharing that. And so it sounds like it's a mixture. Right. So you guys will can take a client by the hand start to finish. Or now at the power of the platform somebody that's a little more advanced than wants to get their roll up their sleeves. They could go and create olives. As you call them the Botts to do the work by themselves for their own organization. Yep. That's exactly right. And we're really excited about the again, the exponential power that has and bringing olives to the world. I mean, we we may be able to build thousands of olives here in twenty nineteen. But with our partners, we could build tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands super exciting man, while keep up the great work. I know the listeners are probably like, so this olive thing. And how can it help? Let's help the listeners take action. So who typically within the organization would be working with? Putting these olives together, and what's the typical use case? So that the listeners could take our conversation today in say, let me send this podcast over to. So and so right. It is a one hundred percent bogus and healthcare. But it's not just offals in providers. But it's also healthcare companies companies that are doing any high volume work on behalf of payers or hospitals or revenue cycle things like that. So if you're in healthcare than is probably relevant to you typically, it's in the finance or Rev cycle areas in healthcare and usually like the BP of Rev cycle CFO director patient financial services. Those are the folks who are the most keenly interested in what we can bring to bear immediately. And we've also had a lot of great relationships with CIO's and CTO's in organizations in both the provider setting and the non provider setting. So if you're in one of those, and, you know, those names or those positions that would be who you'd wanna four to two, and we can come and do demos and provide you. You got a road map of of how to be successful with a and specifically with all outstanding. That's really helpful. So really appreciate it making it a little more granular, Sean that way, we could encourage folks looking to make a difference in their organization on the financial aspects as well as empowering their people. You know, exactly who they are. So getting close to the end of the podcast here. Let's pretend you and I are building a course on what it takes to be successful with AI in healthcare. It's a syllabus with some lightning round questions. Followed by a book that you recommend the listeners ready yet was do it. All right. What's the best way to improve healthcare outcomes? The best way is to allow resources to be focused in the things that can drive the most results to patient care into do that you need to free up resources, by allowing automation to take over a lot of the repetitive tasks that you're currently doing that will then free up resources to focus on a lot of the outcomes in the patient care. What's the big? Biggest mistake or pitfall to avoid the thing to avoid is trying to homogenize all the data behind the scenes. It's a task that didn't quite bear fruit. When it has been tried in the past the easiest way to overcome inoperability is using automation on the front end. And it's really one of those things that a lot of people fall in the trap of, but with automation in with all of specifically you can overcome interoperability varies Louis at east stay relevant, despite constant change. I think for us. We like to talk to our customers about being on the forefront of the adoption of this technology. Most people can understand that this is a navigable in. It's happening. The question is how do you wanna create a roadmap that shows instant traction with you and your leadership team? So that you can have winds inside the organization immediately to know that this is an actual technology that needs to be adopted and implemented operationally and not something that smoke and mirrors. So it's really important to start with something easy. Get the quick wins. And then start proliferating three organization love that. Let's one area focus that drives everything in your organization. Sean, we focus on the platform pretty holistically because we wanna make sure that it becomes easy efficient effective to grow olive to build the digital workforce of healthcare future to do that we need to make a platform that can handle a myriad of tasks in that can be used by pretty much anyone at healthcare to build this digital workforce. What's your number one success habit? I would say it starts in the morning warnings are super important to me. So spending an hour of my own time is really important habit for myself spending that time to focus get the day set. And then having everything else the berry, very calculated where I spend my time time is the only asset that you cannot get more of. So that is up to manage the most with the most precision so spending as much time as possible meeting with actual humans in not spending my time during the day working. A computer love that. What book would you recommend the listeners? Mike current one is high-growth handbook love that allowed Gill. He did a lot of interviews with executives and entrepreneurs that have been part of high growth companies, and it's a very tactical very pragmatic approach to growth in one that has truly been missing. There's a lot of founders and startups books there's a lot of big company management leadership books. But I think a lot has really laid out through his interviews. Some really good strategies and tactics for folks that are taking companies from call it ten to one hundred million love it what a great recommendation folks, he could find all these things on the website in the show notes. Just go to outcomes rocket that health and in the search bar type in olive or type in Shawn lane. And you'll see this episode pop up you'll see everything to play it again. It's the place to go for all of these things, Sean this has been fun. I love if you could just leave us with the closing thought. And then the best place for the listeners could get in touch with follow. Oh, you thanks. It's been fun. The thing I'll leave you with is automation. Is here in automation is definitely a part of future. If you work in a health care organization, whether your provider or work in a company that's not a provider, you will have a digital workforce. So it's imperative that you figure out how to start doing that today. How to start bringing that on board and you'll find that that's going to change completely the resource allocation of your organization love it and for more information. And if they want to get in touch where do they go? Yeah. Just go to all of AI dot com. You can also add me on Lincoln and reach out to me directly there in. There's so many resources at all of AI dot com. You can also go to olive quarterly dot com, which is our quarterly publication. Which basically tells you everything that we're doing love it. What a great place to go for more info listeners. So make sure you do that. This is a great opportunity for if you're looking to apply in a quick way. Take a look at what olives up too because there's definitely something there in your. Rev cycle that they could help you with instantly. So again, Sean wanna thank you for your time. Looking forward to stay in touch with you. Thanks. Appreciate it, ticker. Thanks for listening to the outcomes rocket podcast, these shooter visit us on the web at WWW dot outcomes. Rocket dot com for the show notes resources inspiration and so much more.

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864: Internet of Healthcare: A Future Beyond Digital Transformation

The Tech Blog Writer Podcast - Inspired Tech Startup Stories

25:13 min | 1 year ago

864: Internet of Healthcare: A Future Beyond Digital Transformation

"Welcome to the tank bloke writer podcast, your guy to future Tech Trends and innovation in a language. You understand now over to your host Neal Hughes. Welcome back to the tech blog right podcast as you all know, I do help lead is by gauche right in their written, content, and thought leadership all calls. I also edit and produce that podcast too. But for those of you that are out there listening and a happy to go alone and thinking about launching their own podcast. I'm working with the guys at Lipson at the moment and are secured a promo code which is T B W. But here is the podcast hack if you apply on the second of any month. You get the whole of that month for free and also of the following month for free to. So, for example, if you apply TB w on Lipson on the second of June, you'd get the whole of June, and you'll get the whole of July free to as long as you don't change the price package of your account on there. Just like the movie gremlins. There are a couple of roles if you need any help with that, on eat any more details to send me a quick, Email tech, blog writer at outlook dot com on with today's show and yesterday's podcast as a daily tech show. But the human stories behind many of these tech tales are every is important. In fact, I would argue possibly even more important. Thanks, ample. Sure. Lane is a former US af captain NSA intelligence officer who is also a technologist entrepreneur and founder of olive, which is a Columbus based healthcare offficial intelligence company. And when researching game I quickly learned that one third of every dollar spent in healthcare in the US today issues for a high volume repetitive. Data driven administrative process. Now the challenge has grown from the digitalization of the healthcare industry, but new. Technologies are now coming forward such as I on machine learning and many believed that they could prove to be the answer. So this is a great story today of avai human story, a very tech oriented the same time. So book up and hold on tight. So I can be meal is all the way to Columbus Ohio, so we can speak weeds. Shawn lane, founder of olive. So massive warm, welcome to the show. Sean, can you tell them they news about who you are, and what you do? Thanks. My name's Shawn lane. I'm the CEO and founder of a company called Allah. We build artificial intelligence for healthcare in the United States, and we're focused primarily on the provider space. So big hospitals and health systems in all of is essentially a software robot that joins the workforce at the health system as a digital employees and takes on a lot of the tasks that a human would typically do, and we spend most of our time in hospital operations as where all of usually gets to work came on the show today, I did do a little research, and I quickly learned you call quite a rich backstory, as a Fulmer USAF. USAF captain, NSA intelligence software turned technologists entrepreneur, and now of course, founder of all, if a Columbus based healthcare company book before we do dive into olive. Can I ask you share your journey, and any big lessons that you learned along the way that you'd think it'd be valuable to any founders listening or equally? Anyone listening thinking of changing their career. Oh, absolutely. So I you know, when I was a kid, I always wanted to be a spy, and I was a computer nerd and at the same time I started coating and basic when I was in junior high and, you know, started to write scripts and get into coding kind of added an early age. But again, I always wanted to be a spy, a, you know, from watching movies and reading my dad's manuals from the army he was in the army. I ended up going into the air force as an intelligence officer was a little bit of a dream come true. For me as soon as I got in it was the beginning of the war in Iraq, so I-, deployed over there for year found that my technical skills, just from my hobbyists, technical skills came in handy in the intelligence world ended up doing a lot of things with with technology while it was in Iraq and got selected to go to NSA and INA say, national security agency is a perfect place for someone to go, who is a technologist or computer nerd in wanted to be. Spy? So it was a great place for me. I learned a ton, but I was thrusted right into programs where we were building some pretty mission critical systems dealing with hundreds of thousands of rows of data every second. So for me, it was like, you know, a kid in a candy store from a data perspective, but also under the intense pressure of getting things out to the war fighters. So it was it was a good experience. I spent five tours in Iraq and Afghanistan up until about two thousand seven ended up getting out of the military in an NSA and decided to start a software company, and that was around two thousand eight started a software company, building tools for the intelligence community that went really, well, it was bootstrapped, I had no idea what I was doing. But I kind of figured it out as, as I went along ended up growing that company to about sixty or seventy employees sold it in two thousand twelve and at that point, I'd done a lot of work in technology. You know crossing over from data to cellular to communications to augmented reality, lots of different technologies and I was really looking for something to, to take sink my teeth into next. I, I was living in Baltimore, Maryland at the time and states and was focused on kind of building tech companies and about that time my hometown, which is in southeastern Ohio very small rural area was having a huge problem with prescription drug abuse, and, you know, they had asked if I could help and I wanted to help and I started looking into healthcare, and this was around twenty twelve and when I started looking at healthcare luckily, I knew a CEO of local health system in my hometown. And he let me kind of take a peek under the under the hood, if you will, at all the technology systems, they had, and what I saw very quickly was that nothing was connected systems didn't talk to each other data wasn't. Shared in to me that was like the biggest problem healthcare was facing not only an opioid abuse, but many, many other things, so I became pretty laser focused on trying to solve that in twenty thirteen I've met a couple investors who were at sequoia capital out in the west coast, they were positioning to leave and start their own venture firm in the mid west headquartered in Columbus. And I had kind of shared with him my idea of what I call it at the time, you know, building the internet of healthcare, connecting everything together. So they said, hey, why don't you leave Baltimore quit? All your jobs there, moved to Columbus. We're gonna start this sperm. You can build a billion dollar company and change than an industry forever and we'll invest in, in that company. So to me, it was a pretty crazy proposition to move. You know, halfway from the east coast to the midwest, but this idea that I could build something with a great team that could be long lasting and enduring and really impacted industry, something bigger than I've ever done before, really compelled me to, to, to move in and try that out. So, you know, as we were starting the company and figuring out how to solve that problem of interoperability. What we ended up on was the creation of a software robot that could use computer vision to operate any piece of software thus being that, that level of interoperability that was much needed to healthcare. And that's really how all of got started what I find testing story when you look. Back almost fail every single step, you took happen for a reason and led to this moment, I do their common question that I get in, when I'm talking to someone. In an interview is, you know, if you could go back and tell yourself something what would it be? And that's probably one of the scariest questions for me. Because the answer is I wouldn't tell myself anything, you know, everything kind of happened to get a part of that journey to get the company in myself where we are today. And I think it all was important in the learning the experiences, the top times the failures along the way all led to, to what we're doing now and I couldn't recreate it if I tried, but it was it's been an awesome journey that hit in twenty million teen of recently vet that one third of every dollar spent in healthcare today issues for high volume repetitive driven administrative processes. So he told me more about that challenge, and how it's grown from the digitalization of the healthcare industry, and also how technologies which is automatically intelligence. And. Sheen. Learning could way may well prove to be the answer. Absolutely. So if you look at the healthcare industry in the United States, three trillion dollars of costs, a good solid trillion of that is those administrative, this administrative tasks that you mentioned. And so it's an incredible amount of cost savings that we can create just by adding some artificial intelligence into the mix and being able to basically reallocate move that trillion dollars of value somewhere else in healthcare, like clinical care, therapies new drugs, cancer treatments, all the things that are really, really important. And, you know, it all happens very quickly and is over the course of a couple of decades in reality, but, you know, at, at the scale of healthcare happened quickly, was the advent of these electric medical records systems in the digitisation of healthcare in general, and that soon NAMI happened, and there wasn't an interoperability solution. So what, so what healthcare did as a response was created human routers. So. Humans that would sit in between systems do repetitive tasks to make up for where automation lacked to take data from one system and put it in another to make up for wear in rob ability, lacked. So they've created thousands or hundreds of thousands of these human routers. So the opportunity to go into healthcare in provided digital workforce. At a much, much lower cost has the has the opportunity, or the ability to really shift the entire cost structure of the industry. And for me it's just amazing. Think about what we can accomplish if we're able to move reallocate large sums of money in the in the billions, or trillions of dollars towards the things that really matter. So it's just the beginning I mean, we were just encroaching on this journey to, to really fundamentally change the entire industry. So what is the role of if an older, some kind of problems that you solving solvable? How you solving them with only a good question? So we, we look at, you know, health. Uh-huh. And primarily like healthcare operations were looking for revenue cycle, finance and accounting supply chain, human resources places in health systems. Where there's all this administrative tasks all these administrative tasks to be done L this value to be created in much of it is repetitive. So we kind of have a, a promise that we that we have at all of to, to the market, and that is all it will, I figure out where she can have an impact, so looking around the health system, finding the places where we think automation, and digital employees can have a big impact on value within onboard her quickly. We train her how to do the job. We do that through technology, and we'd get up and running very quickly within show up for work every day. So our commitment is that all of will show up work everyday. No sick days, no days off. You know, no holidays. No PTO. We need to make sure that, you know, she shows up for work every day, which seems simple. But when you're doing it across, you know, hundreds of health system. Gms around the country. It's quite a herculean task the next thing we want to do is we all to do her job, extremely well. That means maybe she's doing some kind of a ministry of process around claims, we want her to have context around what she's doing and be able to provide intelligence to her employer to, you know, the health system to her boss intelligence about that work. She is doing. So she can say, hey, I've noticed a trend in this kind of denial or notice that this pair is starting to, you know, do extra scrutiny on a particular CPT code in that kind of intelligence really important us in the final thing that we that we say as part of our promises. We want her to get smarter over time. So the thing that she starts doing in an organization may be very different than the thing. She ends up doing three hundred sixty five days later, she may start doing claim status, you may end up doing denial management. So the idea is that, that digital employee is living and breathing and continuously. Getting better recommending new things to do in, in creating more value. So that's kind of a nutshell when it comes to her role. So from a business point if you will other kind of benefits that as a service can offer an also efficiency, what fish Ince's can apply. Fulham agnostic technology, actually go onto uncover. So we kind of pioneered, this idea of AI as a service and the I the reason we adopted it. So quickly was because healthcare as have the infrastructure and capacity to, you know, get a platform, higher Janiro build a solution, maintain that solution support it, so we needed to offer we need to kind of jump the time line and get straight to a is a service. If you look back at technology timelines, you know, win eighties, you know, development, environments and Java, and all these different programming languages came came to fruition in the in the early days, people will try to build their own bespoke programs. And eventually, they got to the point of SAS right software, as a service, and realized that, that was the model they should be. They should be using because of the efficiencies and putting the expertise where they expertise were belongs word kind of jumping that time line with AI and getting right to a is a service. So for us, you know, we we've delivered digital employees to a health system in a we make sure that she says up work everyday were checking in, we're supporting that we are building. We are making sure that it's intelligent and getting smarter over time. It's a very different model than if you were to. By platform, hire engineers hire consultants do support, you know sort of being the general contractor, you're kinda renting the house in our model, which is much more cost efficient in delivers value, very quickly, that when we talk about twitchell intelligence upfront. If news all Toco, who's in the stories out it being associate with the of robots taking jobs, but the best examples, I've seen he's actually to work because working alongside rather than replacing the human colleagues. But I've got to ask them is to reality, if you guys in how can I? And I'm pro he's worked together to cry efficient and successful work environments. Yeah, it is a question. We get quite often as we are transforming these health systems, and I think it you have to think about it in phases. And we are very squarely in phase one of this, which I call the capacity increase phase, so right now inside health systems. There are one hundred things that need to be done. They only. Ever. Get to fifty of them. There's an incredible opportunity just to increase the capacity of throughput. And that's really what the digital workforce is doing as augmente Shen to the human workforce. You know, your human workforce can't get through everything that they need to accomplish. So for a while, we're going to be in this capacity increase phase, which is really, really the, the milk, and Honey, days, the halcyon days of, of AI and transformation, where organizations are just able to do more as a result of augmentation of digital workforce face two is where we have to start really thinking about upskilling. We have to think about retraining in moving and reallocating are human workforce from left brain type functions to more right brain type functions. And this requires an investment in human capital, that you have human resources that you have so that, you know as an organization, you get a bigger ROI on your humans. Right. So from our perspective. It's not so much about the ROI of the robot. Or the digital worker. It's about the ROI that you're going to get out of your humans as they upskill and take on more sophisticated more complex tasks. And that's probably, you know, in the next three to five years, we'll see that happen. But there's definitely not a collision course you know, between the digital workforce in human workforce. It's very much a good relationship between the two of them to make these organizations more efficient. Of course, one thing that none of us can avoid is. We're all going to be patients at some point in life. So how can only have actually helped the average patient is going out and seeking care. How does it help them? Well, you know, being a patient in the United States is very frustrating process in a lotta ways, and it's not necessarily the clinical care. That's the most frustrating. It's all the administrative work that has to be done in kind of wading through a swamp of trying to figure out how do I get? How do I get this claims pay? You know, how much is my co pay? What providers are covered? So there's a lot of what I would call internet like experiences that need to happen inside healthcare. You know, we're, we're used to this incredible technology when we want to hail hail, a ride, or, you know, reserve a room or get a flight or pretty much anything in our lives to shop anything in our lives outside of healthcare. We need that internet. Like experience inside of healthcare. But I go back to that original problem in that problem is, there's really no interoperability, and that interoperability precludes healthcare from providing that internet like experience. So what we hope is the digital workforce can allow that interoperability to unlock these internet like experiences that, that consumers expect in being able to do that will remove a lot of that frustration in dealing with healthcare from the consumer. So it's just the beginning for new applications, with and machine learning and healthcare. Do you think is we're going to be seeing a lot more of this? Absolutely one hundred percent. We're still in the very early days were barely in the first inning of, of, of this, really this incredible development. If you look at the advent of the smartphone in the way that it scaled the internet is scaled software. We're kind of in the early stage with AI right now. I think it really smart thing was a focus on. The way how could be applied to health care today, operationally instead of just a you know, pursuit of these moon shots. So I think because of that is gonna scale much more quickly, but we're still in the very early days. I mean, we're using machine learning and in cases with all of, we're using deep learning, and creating neural nets for all to make decisions in some cases. But we're just barely scratching the surface. So it's really exciting from our perspective as a what we hope is a long lasting technology company focused on healthcare of all the things that we can do in the future. Of course, we call it mention at the would ally without talking about ethics because I always a growing conversation in the industry. So how does olive to further ethical uses avail is that something you can dive into a little bit? I think the key. There is transparency with the organization in having a view on the ethical use of AI across many organizations as an advantage to fortunately, we have the largest deployment of digital workforce in healthcare across providers. So we're able to share information in have conversations with the organizations about how to best apply ethically, you know, through the transformation efforts. So that's, that's a plus the other thing is just really building the systems, iterative -ly. So that there's nothing that that occurs that's to unintentional. We don't want consequences to occur that we didn't foresee because we moved too quickly from. Point eight point bay. So we, you know, we are we are definitely pushing the envelope. But we are also conservative in the things that we will allow all of to take on, but they're so much work that it's, it's okay to have that pace and anything else that you can show with us today about the role olives gonna play in the future and been why I think there's, there's a ton to think about. And, you know, just the way that health systems by software today. I think will change pretty considerably. I mean, we are training olive to use in virtually every piece of software ever made a to help support health systems, so you can imagine instead of having a an army of humans working on that software. Essentially, digital workforce will be the ones logged into that software using it in a really changed the buying behaviors of health systems, you know, they'll start looking at software and thinking about how how well it works with its digital workforce. They'll start thinking. About know less about the aesthetics of user interface. More about the underlying capabilities of the software. So there's, there's so many interesting things that are already starting to see change as a result of the digital workforce. And, you know, if I were to make a bold, prediction, I would say that within five years in, in most of your large health systems. I would say the digital workforce will comprise thirty percent of the total workforce, which is just an amazing number. I mean, there are sixteen million employees in healthcare today in the United States, which makes it the number one employer. And if you think about, you know, upwards of thirty percent of that being digital. It's an incredible amount of capacity increase in the ability to do more with the resources that we have anyone listening, the coma size if they wanna find out more information about all eve video demos, use cases and things a lot was the by swipe Ifan. You just remind them if you'll website, jer so our website is olive. Okay. I dot com. If you go there, there's lots of information at, also on Lincoln, I spend a lot of time connecting with folks. So please reach out to me on link to connect in behalf to share some more information or just chat about anything. That's anything that's on your mind. I'm quite conscious we got listeners in one hundred sixty five couldn't trays and many because they're going to be sitting in an office performing mundane and repetitive tasks. So in that interview that aloof how you said, you chew focus is an Ebeling businesses to bring out that. All I of humans an upscaling them in free from repetitive tasks, and that's something we don't hear. No fault. 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Shawn Layden Leaves PlayStation - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.01.19

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Shawn Layden Leaves PlayStation - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.01.19

"What's up everybody. Welcome to Kinda the Funny Games daily for Tuesday October. First Twenty nineteen the most wonderful time of the year of your host Greg Miller alongside the former former informer Imran Khan. I liked the name it rolls off the tongue. I hadn't really think about it because this is somebody pitched it last time. Remember Yeah and then. I can remember what it was until the right there. I popped up and I've seen you forever. How are you I'm doing well. I'm actually doing great. October is great. I woke up feeling energized more than doing a feeling great today. Do you love Halloween. I I have no prettier Holloway. I don't dislike Halloween. I just never done much on it. You should do several this okay. We're we're seeing terminator. I believe on Halloween night and maybe maybe throwing a Halloween party of the day before or the day after Kevin how the details okay. I'm down for all that okay good okay. I do like watching horror movies with friends like October. Yeah it's like have you ever Axiom Axiom fucking terrible Halloween movie of all time or we're not always particularly like yeah. It's I'd highly anchored. I think Eh Youtube Watch it with friends is literally the the most b-movie b-movie you can say. Where do you come down on the scary games the Halloween Games. There's something you get into an October as well. I get into those whenever I will. I do them in October because like honestly you you have a stream you. WanNa play games for you know because that's what people want to give money for those things but I will play a scary game. Whenever I feel like the knee or the desire to place carrying this year I feel like I'm being drawn to get into some Halloween Games and great so I think it's easy with stuff like medieval Luigi Mansion right there ghostbusters. There's games out there. That are the spooky variety but I read downloaded costume quest to try to get through costume goes to this but then again October not a slow time for video games yeah now I sit on my hands plenty of stuff the point let me ask you this risque games sure. Do you care if it's Japanese scary game or an American scary a game or Western. I should say you know what I mean. I don't know if I care usually are more drawn to Western gameplay styles but overtime like fatal frame and stuff right from Jet Japan. Yeah those are awesome because I think I did like the Japanese ghost style more than I. I can't think of many Western horror games that really appealed to me. Just the jeopardy is horrid like the goes that will come matter nowhere just into frame and freak you out. 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I'M GONNA say three point five items on the rope report weird pickers. Thank you beck number one. It shocked us while we were recording. Twenty podcast live yesterday. Shawn Layden is leaving playstation. The news comes from a tweet and nowhere else tweeted yesterday nine thirty that's September thirtieth and four zero five. PM Playstation tweeted it is with great emotion that we announced that worldwide studios Chairman Shawn Layden. We'll be departing SL. His visionary leadership will be greatly missed. We wish him success in future endeavors and are deeply grateful for his years of service. Thanks for Everything Sean and that was it. That's it that was the worldwide studios chairman leaving playstation. He's been there's some one thousand nine hundred eighty believe not in that role. He's he's only been in the role for about four exactly any but he's been on his way up for quite some time. He's been doing a bunch of stuff with playstation. That's it as of Stober. I nine zero nine. Am there's still no tweet from him. There is no official SA press release. I tweeted out yesterday. Sony loves nothing more than sending out press releases Lisa. There's already a press release out about the playstation. Now we'll get to in a second nothing about the chairman of worldwide studios leaving the company and it's all he's he's not been on twitter. I've been watching his. He's been liking stuff about this. He just has an incentive Zelaya tweets. Did you see your tweets. He likes a lot of like what was the girl. Roll got gained like that initiative. Oh Yeah he's liking those tweets and he's making tweets like Oh Sean is going to be missed that but he's not like saying anything about it which I just WanNa get to. The question like this is weird. You WanNa you WANNA. Bring the question right away. agnosio row has rights in the Patriot dot com slash kind of games just like you can't says how's it shaking. Greg Name Ron with the weird handling of the news that Sean Lien will be leaving playstation. What does this say of the company. I think I'm not the only one who believes playstations changed in the last few years compared to the first years of this generation interrelation. It's starting to feel two thousand six all over again. Should we be worried that the mistakes of the PS three launch we'll repeat themselves with the PS five anyway. There's always keeping awesome. I wanted to get to this because as I mentioned is the weird handling it is the real question but yeah yeah it's so I've been watching all this stuff for years and years long before I see like this is completely abnormal position and like when they put out that tweet then Sony Japan put out a separate release that I like the idea of people who like speak Japanese they look at that like other people look at it too and translate it and it uses the word are the equivalent of the word retired and nothing else uses that no it was like so that word is key because if if he's retiring were was does that make some sense. I don't think you're tying all yeah. That's the thing about this. Is that is so weird. I know I've had conversations with people that are pointing to like how we've already seen this power struggle right with Jim. Ryan Code Eric heard that too yeah because after it was super weird because he had only been at the role for about twelve months exactly I would just highly unlikely and then he like he didn't leave. He like exchange roles with Jim Ryan so he took a demotion. Well Jim Ryan got promoted and then like in last year's houses left Trenton Trenton left to give laden his job essentially but yeah but it's it has been a very strange thing especially on the cusp us like literally months away from a new console being revealed that the head of worldwide studios go all right. I'm out in that's what's weird about it and what. I was talking about yesterday my tweets right. It's weird that it's just a tweet. There's no press release. There's no official messaging from him. They asked him in it. It's this isn't helpless. Station does business which to me makes it feel like Shawn. Layden yesterday was in a room with somebody and I don't know what happened but when he left that room he's like I'm out. I'm leaving. I'm done yeah I granted. Maybe when you're on the fence for a while. Maybe that's been I- publicized on twitter right like maybe in the old days. I'm not sure how it is anymore but in the old days like I remember when somebody was it's like I'm GonNa go to Gamespot and they worked at. I was like cool. Thank you for your service. We don't need two weeks notice. You have to leave now because it's a competitor yesterday and twitter. I was like maybe he's going like Google Stadium. Maybe he came. Kamini gave us two weeks notice and they're like get the fuck out now. Stadium would be my best. Guess honestly yeah but like also he's head of worldwide studios. You kinda give that more respect than he would. You know in engineer like totally so I I don't know. Do you read it that like he was a yesterday decision that finally broke the camel's usually when they do this they they have a transition. They announced who's next. They have someone in live. They probably do have someone in line for this but they haven't gotten like suited up yet right so it's usually the transition right. There's usually a hand off the baton especially as you're saying leading into the launch of the place that you can five because that's what Sony. PR WORKS IS THEY WANNA make sure people know that. There's a peaceful like it's being handed off transitions yeah easily. Nothing's going wrong but in this case this feels panicky in a weird way and I kind of want like I. I'm guessing we both heard that Jim Ryan Shawn Lane have had different ideas of where to place brand should go in like the last ten years Saudi with when Jim Ryan was at Sony Europe and he was shepherding the PS three and Laden has been pretty open about how the fact that like yeah we fucked up with three bad that was a moment of Hubris and riot has always we looked at it like you. Guys may have fucked. I made it work in Europe yeah so I wonder if like Ryan who is a very like services Kinda guy he's not big on like spending billions billion dollars on single player games when they could be making that money on games of services well in Sunland has always. Let's do the Gods. Let's do the God of War Spiderman like those kind of games so I don't think that's going to change the next couple of years but well. That's worth threshfield's agnosio question. What playstation are we getting in for me personally. Yeah that's been the the sad realization in fact I guess of this generation where position for you know started with a they had a bloody nose and a bruised eye right and they were headed get up off the mat with playstation for which made them young and scrappy which made them come out and be like all right cool. It's February. We're announcing this thing. It's just a it's a really nice. Yes indeed indepth squeeze. Come work with us and then it was the thing of here's how you exchange Games and also like you know here's the price here's there's no game sharing gaming and everybody going crazy in the audience. It was when you're in second place. When you WanNa make that impact that's when you get crazy and you do really awesome things and that's what we're seeing right now. xbox right where I do think Phil Spencer and the accessibility stuff game passed up the play anywhere stuff like their ex cloud now. They're actually saying like all right cool. These are things that traditionally if we were number one. We'd want to shy away from because we just want you to keep doing it but we're number two by a wide margin. Let's give you reasons to come to xbox and they cannot count this like they got. I don't want to say super lucky because it was also a very smart marketing tactical decision with the beginning of the generation your like you know we're we're exactly the same. We're not going to change. They got very fortunate that might sort of fell on their shoes. Well I mean it was that thing in place issue was able to come out with the message. We all wanted to hear which we're a machine for gamers the gamers machine after that he three of his kingdom hearts three. Here's five fifteen like fuck. I'm in they can't really do that this time and like who who knows what they're going to reveal this year or see three hundred even going but like if I don't think I could I could easily pressure a situation where where late in his saying we need to keep pushing hard on these things we've been doing because they've been working for us and Ryan is saying though not talking to work this time because Microsoft is not going to trip on their leases like what is our do they even think of competition at the thing now is it just game sales and service numbers and all that yeah it's they this. This generational transition is probably the biggest one for them even though internally it seems like oh well we just had we prove consoles are back. We prove that we can make these numbers still yeah. It's still a changing changing and evolving thing so the way internal power struggles work as you think you look at this person who's disagree with you and stopping you from doing what you think is best and suddenly you think wouldn't it be so much easier if they weren't here and like we can actually move on and get things done the way they need to be done so. I wouldn't be shocked if that were the case like obviously we don't know maybe he is just taking the role that stadium. Maybe he wants to spend more time with his kids but usually they. That's bullshit yeah. That's the thing if it was that if it was I wonder if if it was a reggie move it would be a here's the full-blown press release. Here's a playstation is tweet. Here Shawn's tweet. Here's the plan the fact if it is just like Oh God four five put something out. You know we have to be out in case we once you quit. There's no telling you anymore what you're going to tweet and what you can say so playstation wants the messaging outright that Sean Lee no longer works for us. Yeah like whatever he's about to do. Say or whatever this is great. We'll see later make positive on there which I'm sure for the overwhelming overwhelming majority is regardless of how whatever happened yesterday happened but yeah like it's not I'm going to go fishing more. I will say as someone who's worked on the news outside of this job that if they actually had this planned they would have told people beforehand hundred percents embargo even a couple of hours of saying. Hey this is going to happen at four o'clock. Watch your twitter. We're going to now sean. Lane is leaving the fact that abrupt like again untagged. Even though he has a twitter account he was active on it. Yeah like it it also lanes always felt kind of uncomfortable in front of the camera so I can understand from that perspective why he wouldn't do like the reggie goodbye video shirl yeah. I understand that yeah but I mean just just in general yeah the boiler plate quote yeah. It's been a great you know by the way we got to thank you very much. Shawn layden started a playstation in one thousand nine hundred seven communications consistent. It's been a wonderful thirty plus years. He's been there forever and it's like it just feels. I'm not going to say he was pushed out but it doesn't feel planned yeah for sure yeah but in that's what's going to be so fascinating is now. We have to wait I. I you know I tweeted about it and I was like all right. See what develops overnight. Nothing's has developed yeah. There's no statements. There's been no articles like fuck what happened. I think they're just GONNA want to move on from it and feel sure yeah. We're GONNA talk about this. This is Sean is headed to go somewhere morale's. That's IT and like the looking at the tweet wish success in his future endeavors and are deeply grateful for his years service. I kind of wonder if the Japanese phrasing of just like being polite of like we don't want to say he's going to a competitor yeah so like we're just wasn't for me. The more I read it right and it seemed so abrupt right again. It's two thousand nineteen first thing was. Oh my God. What did he fucking. Do you know what I mean but then you re re read it and we were on a podcast anymore. It's like okay now. They're saying enough nice nice things in here that it's not if it was a me too thing if it was he literally ran somebody over and it was about the drop it would totally be a shung laden. No longer works for playstation. It would be very clinical dry. Here's what it is. There won't be any room to navigate NAS have a conversation of it'd be nice right like that said like whoever are so whatever wheels he put in motion are going in motion for at least the next two three years yeah so whatever's going to happen with the PS five in the first couple of years. It's going to be the same after that is going to be a different question listen. Let's take a look at the don metric Phil Harrison Transition Magic clearly put a lot of wheels in motion that sorry that it's very confusing refusing arison being a playstation leaving out stadium. Let's say so it's very confusing but the when Harrison got got it got in yeah he he clearly didn't like some of the magic initiatives like obviously conduct stuff. He was like no screw that we're done with it with TVD TV. TV's Salat is single player Games. He wasn't happy with the platinum gay like the deals magic made like what was that game. Phantom dust like that was a game that I think magic was super into because it was like okay. Let's bring back some of the things that made xbox unique and Harrison's like well. We don't need this. This is like an old game. No one really carry. No one cares about this franchise yeah so he he ended up like shaking house and I imagine in whoever takes Laden's places go well okay well. Obviously we keep the God of war and the Spiderman and all that stuff but do we need another medieval remake or what have you and I think those are the things that are going to start taking like those are the things that the periphery of the edges are going to start peeling off a little bit and then we'll get into whatever Jim Ryan Sony is going to look like it's so weird right because they feel like we said a lot recently and then kind of taking a step back with some of the choices but playstation three playstation was so world of the weird. Let's make a bunch of Weird Shit. Let's put out all sorts of Weird Artsy fartsy games. It's cool if they don't sell. We're here to have fun. Were Art House right and then playstation Asian forward launched a similar place of Hey. We're the machine for gamers. You know what I mean. Alan Gio Corsi being up there and boys being up Vida boys high profile L. departure exactly why I mean John Drake as well right. You don't have to go far Nick Sutton early. There's all these people that made the playstation brand what is generation that are no longer there which then makes you wonder what the. Hell is the playstation brand next generation but even still all right cool. Here's a bunch of weird indies. We're supporting and we want you to get behind actor. Dad and Blah Blah is that slowly started to fade made away threes before they stopped just became more and more. Here's just the triple ace exclusives. You get to that point now where it's like okay. What is the what is Sean Laden's playstation right. What was it anymore is. Is it what we've seen is. They started to move away. Is that is that the was it the remnants of the weird stuff off Jack Triton's playstation right and then as we move into the Shawn layden thing. We're figuring it out okay. We're GONNA make medieval. We're still going to support pixel opus to make something like concrete. Jeannie like a weird word game and then if we move towards his Jim Ryan mentality. Is it just going to be that all right cool. We just have the worldwide studios making first party titles. That's it. That's all we're doing. We're making big. AAA Blais Games the rest after get away. I mean possibly like we're not gonNA. It's one of those questions that were not going to know until we see the results in competing together like Oh this must have been where this transition in happened and it's especially difficult because honestly laden had to sell a lot of Jack Ryan's terrible ideas of like right got over it up there so many names like apply to other names sure but the Ryan was very famously slee against cross-play protect kids yeah yeah someone had to think of children and then you head laden out there like I think gave him interview where Laden was saying things that were across players usually explicitly not true and people were calling him on it. I don't think he wanted to like. I don't think he wanted to be out there. Saying these things I think there were strings above him in in policies above him that he was beholden to of course so I'm sure he was frustrated to that extent but let me ask you this because liens big initiative in the last couple of years was Sony pict pictures places in your I forgot about this. He was like he's like Kobe. Board director with the title of Sony Still So have there which I think is a good option for taking overladen job him in Yoshito would be the first guesses on my but I wonder if the kind of failure Sony pictures or whatever the complainers pig on a it is a Polygon Twenty nineteen may twentieth yeah Sony announces. Uh playstation productions plays interactive's new playstation productions. I wonder if the failure earlier to get that off. The ground was either frustrating him or frustrating. The people above right isn't that part is under the temporarily haven't they. WanNa go and have uncharted. We'll see how long production is being led by Assad Kissel Mesh an eleven year veteran of Sony Playstation Market Group and overseen by showing Laden chairman of worldwide worldwide studios. I wonder if maybe like people above him. Were like pulling the strings on that too tightly or maybe he was like having trouble with it and people about him weren't happy about it or maybe not involved at all. Maybe it's like again. This could be as simple as he wanted to go. He got a job at stadia. He got got a job at Microsoft who knows like he wants to go even if it is that even if it is he just went. He got another job and it it is the best case scenario. Hey here's my letter. Resignation will give you the two months or two weeks and they're like no you gotta go now. Okay bye guys. You know what I mean. I still think then it it would play differently to me. I just feel like if that was it because it would be the tweet a he tweets between like thank you for thirty plus years of playstation. It's been. I can't wait to see you guys to see what do next kind of thing and the fact that he is in in everybody's like nick eating themselves trying to figure out what's going on. I think is like the best case scenario for when you and badly when you have a bad break up and you walk away and you're like you know what I'm not going to throw you a life preserver around knocking his life vest someone that recently had a bad breakup. That's the feeling of like watching twitter just being like I'm just GonNa say like their tweets. I don't want great. I'm allowed mouth so I got into it anyway but like I can definitely see people who are more mature than me just going like a knocking to say anything just like this happened. This is like like painful. I just want to embrace the positivity and just move on yeah but again until he shows up somewhere else like if we see Sean and legitimacy just walking around in a stadium t-shirt in his neck scarf yeah says dope scarf release Super Nice Blue White One last time. I was really want that yeah when I'm in playstation colors. They'll sell it to you. The point five I put on the story I it is a different one. The head of playstation Japan Slash Asia has retired at sixty as well. Ah at Sushi Morita retired got announced retiring. This one seems like a more normal. One in terms of like this generally goes like your isn't it has made. It seems like everything's okay. The chief financial officer of SL set to replace Morita as corporate director or no successor to the role of Japan Asia president has been confirmed as of yet so also Sony Japan deemphasizes like tactically Sony's went out of their position as run out of America so I wanted to put it out their heads. I know people who were definitely looking at that as like this guy really he is falling on like that. One feels plan that one feels like normal the sixty year old guys retiring okay. Sean treat from playstation vue like we're gone. He's gone by which is not always. He's GonNa terrible like those wheels. Were in motion for a long time and like let's take no for an example like obviously a water had a very untimely passing but his with this switch is kind of what he concept it out at one point like he gave the greenlight for all those things. Damon donor people who like the actual designing engineer work and put the Big Games on there you know like those wheels started when he was so president so it's twenty nine thousand nine now and finally starting to not finally but we're getting onto the Awada era these days yeah. I think you were going to take quite a while for us to if we still like ps four right now you are still going to like them in two to three years yeah. I do also wonder like what does this mean for because from what I've heard Laden was one of the people who didn't live stage shows because he just like didn't didn't like the idea of going on stage and be like this is our we're spending millions of dollars like just introduced the thing that we can just roll on trailers interesting so maybe it was his idea. I don't know if it was his idea civically but it was for it yeah he he liked the idea of not spending all your marketing money on being at a press conference so maybe there's comeback maybe so he goes big again we'll. I I think we'll see by February. What their next heading is on entomologist points out and kind of fun DOT COM slash. You're wrong that some people leave companies for others having the as in their contract with can't say anything after we even for a couple of weeks could be the case here point had brought up that wrinkle that yeah that could be in that case. I would question the press release but Shawn Layden. You're wrong wrong. We're getting updates on Charlotte snap that Sean Lee tweeted at picks. Lupus the concrete genie people are heart so he is still on twitter. We knew he was still on twitter. Don't worry about that. We know nothing has happened to Sean late in just his boat crashed more importantly. I throw the one only Shuhei you sheet in the running for this job. Yeah add get them up there. Come on he makes he makes a lot of sense. President is Sony Worldwide Studios than they brought. This chairman over my didn't like it one bit yeah. That's my tongue for years but I'm done. I I mean that was that was definitely weird thing where they were essentially demoting him but he does. He seems like he fits for by city head right now one hundred percent that's why he was so happy to be popping champagne with that felt like a weird picture to have like that day day before but yeah yeah. I'll happens in the end maybe he. It was double smiles for that. Maybe they didn't like you know this is happening. Well yeah man what Iran here. This is great. We have an update as number the report both SAG and gearbox have put out statements about Troy Bakers statement that he was in borderlands three because gearbox didn't WanNa go union AH academic I think after this it's done I think after this there won't be any forty five right now. I do say that now the SAG after statement reads like this yes we applaud any member who stands for workplace fairness and the integrity of their creative work in is a courageous decision to act in the best interest of one's fellow. Sag after a members I and this is all working people the misguided decision by gearbox to deny their performers the opportunity to have fair union wages a safe workplace and the possibility of healthcare coverage coverage for their families is unfortunate. We attempted designed gearbox to a union agreement. They refused in disengaged from those talks. We look forward to hearing from gearbox. Sorry we look forward a to hearing from any gearbox performer who is interested in the mini protections. A union agreement offers actors. I guess I always assume you guys listen to every show. If you're you're dropping in today's because a sean heads up yeah you remember how Troy Baker was reese in tales from the borderlands. He was not reese inboard lanes three there was a kerfluffle online where Randy pitchers like. Roy said I said No. I didn't say no I heard he said no complex and then there's a long silence and then yesterday there was a statement in an interview with Troy in VG G. Twenty four seven where troy was basically like they wouldn't go union so I didn't do the job then there's a long discussion on kind of funny games daily like wait actually is union. All these other people are union. Why are they working on the game and not troy. You'll have a statement in a second but that sags statement on this. Here's gearboxes response to Kentucky was well. Troy is an exceptional talent and we were disappointed disappointed that he declined to partner on borderlands three after being offered the part. We wish him the best an hope. He knows the offer to collaborate with him. Still stands gearboxes a Texas company in his bound by Texas excess law which means that a person cannot be denied employment because of membership or non-membership in a labor union or other Labor Organization as a talent owned talent led organization the gearbox enthusiastically works to ensure our pay and working conditions meet or exceed the union standards. We also strongly in hiring local voice actors whenever we can and which is why we're thrilled. Choice career really took off after working with US and quote statement up gearbox high-fives things they nailed it. I saw heavy is is for so many people not for sure. It's like such a weird sign off of yeah. We believe strongly we are through. Troy's greer really took off after working with us. I saw so many people see that in tweet what the fuck dude I can Mike Mehari from Gamespot who was like yeah saying choice. Career took off after tales from the Borderlands Orlando is like saying Michael. Jordan was playing for the wizard and I get it because this is such an obtuse statement. It's worth pointing out. Choi actually does credit them with with this because troy worked with them on brothers in arms road to hill thirty yeah in two thousand five which was the first time I ever interviewed troy and up at noon. We really got to sit down and talk look like he talked about what it was like filming some of these scenes here and you get what the question was leading last of us and stuff like that and like he he was doing stuff. Emotional acting similar to the last one was with brothers brothers in arms and so that was a gearbox game when if you remember the whole click of Troy and travis the Laura they all were Texas based so they were texas-based. They did a whole bunch of different stuff there including home automation stuff before they went out to. La became the big time Hollywood celebrities. Yeah still still a weird sign-off. Yes statement accurate but it feels like it's trying to take a stab at him. You Owe us. We were we were on the troy. Baker trained before Aguirre. Don't look good. Don't throw it in there. You don't need to throw it in feels that the kind of statement from the White House of like just kind of like a petty throw stab before they get out of you no you you you are not seeing crow position of like good. Pr here yeah but honestly this guys talk about it last night so I don't want to go too much over. I do want to bring in in Trevor Starkey. Our friend of a friend of the Patriot dot com slash kinda funny. I thought it was a bit too long detail for your own but I wanted to provide my perspective having worked in theaters with actors equity quasi contracts on the whole why Ashley worked out or why actually worked out but not for borderlands discussion. There's a lot here edited a lot of it down to these parts that I thought were very interesting. I would guess the gearbox likely offered Ashley One of those Special Sag Afra- guest contracts as well as similar contracts to presumed union members Chris Hardwick is T- in Penn and teller there were even they were even more probably more likely to do so for Ashley Viewing her and actually I'm sorry Anthony Burch as part of the gearbox the box family from the time working on borderlands to the work of these performers on the project would then be with the blessing of Sag after but it would also have made the a union reps wary of how much union town worked on the project and they would want to move in the direction of the whole project being a union project better paying benefits across actors involved more potential union members numbers etc etc when you combine this with Troy's comments quote they wouldn't go union and I can't do a nonunion Gig with the fact that they ultimately used ray chase in the role a saga for a Union member probably best known as knocked us from final fantasy fifteen. My theory would be that it came down to the fact that the whole project wasn't a union GIG. Even gearbox gearbox had been willing to offer especially union contract which they presumably different chasing everybody we just talked about it's still all very hypothetical as only those involved with negotiations to know the truth but I thought this might provide a bit more context slash analysis on the matter. If you were all interesting continue the conversation that is interesting with that light because we are hoping for a while even yesterday was like wait is actually saying yes okay great. I didn't realize that this guy was knocked. He was the one who replaced show is recent game so you're using a bunch of SAG members in there which there are are different options which then now goes back to what trevor points out with this troy quote they wouldn't go union and I can't do a nonunion GIG. I wonder if Troy Baker as we always say right right like if you have a platform use it if troy. Baker is now to that point where he's like line in the same way. I'm only going to do something if it's union so that you benefit all my people which would then go even further with sags bags quote that we had earlier yeah which also is a question of like. Why isn't the Game Union. Can they they can afford it. That game is sold like five hundred five days like why can't they just do that. Like also I'm of two minds of this like on one hand. It would have been great to have Troy Baker in that role and the other hand. The role kind of sucks like these three isn't good they oil down very complex character from Taylor borderlands in tournament. Play salesman borderlands which shame on you yes you should play a game for sure reese's awesome in it and obviously he's the care for you. Play whatever you're making decisions feeling about fleshing up but yeah like his his whole storyline and this is like. Do you like my mustache. Yeah I hate mail on your right and it's one of those. I wonder you know you're talking about. They have the money for it right. I I wonder if they obviously want honor their legacy. They WANNA put people like actually in the game but even Ashley's used very little right now. He has like one thing and a couple of radio stuff. That's yeah yeah. There's some side missions too but it's I think of like did they use did they write them so little because they're like well. We hope we get the big names. We don't WANNA pay them. Yeah you WANNA pay for a week of work. We'd rather be one afternoon of work another Chris Hardwick which is a voice they probably should have replaced was like he has so many lines in that game the whole. I like a couple of hours early then I I went back Pandora last night and he's still like getting like Oh God another von mission great which they boil him down basically just apps and again yeah. It's a we're and I guess that's a weird thing of these characters were so interesting and had so much care development entails moorlands but in the bordering this. I guess it goes back to when they announced Ashton Borderlands and it was like I've never a why would I want to tell tells a story game. Borderlands Game Aren't story right and then he'd playing like Oh man. This is a great story but they WANNA back in the borderlands game and I just want to run and shoot shit. You actually want to sit there and listen you know. I think I was talking on twitter. A couple of weeks ago like trails in the borderlands makes mortar lands three a little worse yes because it shows you can do very cool interesting things with the characters in that world. It's just they didn't now. Here's my question because obviously I'm right there with you. In the Borderlands Ends Obviously this pinnacle. Do you want that from Orleans three. I think if they put it like so there's there's already so much writing and dialogue in that game it would not have hurt for it to be good would like kill quest you like there was a the Guy Meridian that likes like former mad moxie boyfriend they were after the game show exactly. I'm doing it for Mad Moxie to get there to have sex with him to then. Kill him yeah. He just does not show that entire quest. It's all just really fucking stuck. In terrible sex jokes any time you couldn't have done that quest well like you can written that. Cresswell and it would have been any better but like I had a friend that did it before and friends. She's she's an artist as well as you're saying like okay. This sucks so much because this guy just does not stop talking sure okay. It can't be that bad but no he does not shut up the entire time so if you're gonna the have that much writing in the game it would have been great. If you had writers that could back that up you're saying but then here's my thing aren't gonNA talk over it. This isn't isn't it out. I'm not giving it out at all but that idea of like hey. He's gotTa be annoying so you haven't because we WANNA. We WanNA point out that he's a dirt bag. We want you to kill him. Do all these different things right like I don't again with borderlands three. I'm usually playing with people and it's being Goldfarb talking about over the weekend. Oregon's trophy some ignoring that stuff anyway right like I feel like if it's not a cut scene it's which aren't also remember on. Do we care that it's like I think we talk over because we can ignore it. Okay good would then like everyone. I've played. I've been playing remnant from the ashes exactly like with some friends when there's stories stuff tend to just like shut up and listen to the story like not that is like amazing writing but it's you know. I'm interested in that story in that world was Borderland Mike. I'm wondering if I turned the dialogue the voice down to zero because like some of it I I liked hundred hundred borderlands two. I don't don't like at all if we're land three. I don't know exactly what they changed to make her annoying but they made her annoying somehow on our pizza talk pizza bombs it was like she she was using yes queen but like using it incorrectly and how you use that incorrect yeah yeah. It's it's one of those I I. I enjoy borderland. Three lot is probably going to find his place in my top ten this year but if when I think whenever recess talking I'm like I remember that seem tells the borderlands it when he took the chip out. It is one of the best scenes period in telltale game. I cannot imagine region how that reese connected this right and that's and that's the thing is like I yes regardless like as soon as he opens opens his mouth. It's like man that's not true and I'm not that kind of guy right but you're not reese. I know Ri so well. I love reese. You're right now and then let alone when all it is is this I got a mustache yeah. Do you like the mustache funny choice at the end of you know what you do with the mustache but outside of this just like okay cool your pale in comparison to what's come before. I agree one hundred percent with that. It's it's like the inverse of the infamous thing we were talking about a couple of weeks ago of like when they tried to change the character design but like the writing and the character of the coal would have been still say which would have had some businesses to it. They kind of do the opposite thing with reese of like okay well the writings different but the crackers still the same so they want me to say. I think this is reese but in my head this is not the same character that went through those twelve hours of the story and that's a great point see especially using the infamous example right because they did change voice actors infamous one to two yeah but in two you Eric Ladin came in and he owned it did feel like coal right and he hate amish to that and it was a direct connection to everything we've gone. Excuse me infamous one right. Yeah go troy. Baker voice is not a it doesn't if it were a very well if it were reese if actually reese written by those writers are written just as as well. I would have been like this is a shame is an absolute tragedy that he did not get in a like speak. Do we run by missions from yeah. It's like all right well. That's why I don't care that much for me. I don't know if you've got into it. It's assigned mission. I did way late in game. Borderlands three the only time I've literally had to mute mute it. It was you do you basically test in. It's not like I know there's VR one earlier just that filter where I was just like my father my facebook it got worse as the mission went on what goes on to explain the one where they're they're totally. It's like traditionally what Borderlands Eagle Mess up with their jokes where it's like. Oh you're making fun of micro transactions in how Games are launched broken already and then it keeps going and keeps shoving that joke and there's there's this woman who does dancing behind you like you're following her and it's an escort mission to make fun how bad escort missions are unserved level and how bad her like. Standing Dialogue Log is service level. That's funny when it keeps fucking going it so goddamn annoying and Munich generally pleased. I know I was going to power through but we have to meet it. It's fine. I was playing with some friends last night. We were like there was a way to make those youtube villains work and I think they should have done is they should have done title cards with like they. I'M GONNA joke. They should have been like the Youtube thumbnails of like can't believe in order to have a volcano just like arrows pointing nothing circles yeah they should have done that but that parts of that game feel like a couple years too late for a lot of those things you number three on the rope report playstation house cuts price in half half playstation now subscriptions will now start at nine ninety nine monthly while adding marquee limited time titles such as grand theft auto five and god of war to more than eight hundred games available in the service sorry today playstation now which is on playstation four systems an PC will be offered at the following prices keeping in line with pricing other entertainment streaming services customers will see the price change in their next billing cycle. US Now ten dollars a month as we said earlier twenty five dollars quarterly or sixty dollars yearly playstation now will also expand the industry's largest I also expand on the industry's largest library for council subscription service with additional blockbuster content available for a limited window these games can be streamed on a playstation four system or pc or downloaded to a PS four system. The new content is among the most played in highly acclaimed games on the playstation for platform. We add on monthly basis launching. Today are God of war grand theft auto five infamous second son uncharted for a thief's and Imran were down ten dollars cut in half on playstation now. Does this change change everything. This is the price of show launched at but I think they're kind of feeling the heat a game pass a little bit like also does it does feel like the Jim Ryan Initiative. We we need to get into streaming so you. WanNa set that ground for whatever ps five is going to do because you want that you want people to give you more money every month and sometimes the best swear to do that as to cut the price of what they have to pay especially in an area era where like you're also making big moves on places view because they know they made that Disney deal a coupla hello days ago yeah and they're also like people have to pay so many subscription fees now that doesn't make sense to have a twenty dollar a month thing just as to stream games so they're realizing that. I don't think this is. GonNa break any sort of like walls open for that service. it's going to get a couple of. I would say there's it's probably maybe doubles to a thirty two doubles the number of people who are playing it but that's not a huge number to begin with what it does is it lays a foundation for PS. Five of this is what we're going to do this kind of thing. Services expect from us like maybe pay higher. PS Plus Price Ace to get this rolled in that game. Pass ultimate does yeah. That seems like a logical step for them but I don't think this is like this on its own is not going to change the game. Yeah you figure what if you don't have a playstation four I guess now you can use playstation now at least for a limited time to get in and get a god of war on graft infamous uncharted grand theft auto's bad example but the other those three seventy first party games if you're just an xbox piece Iverson jumping and use them but is that enough to actually move the needle just future the Ryen see from Tennessee writes into Patriot dot com slash kinda funny games and says Hey K. GDP. Hey KFI with the new price drop for playstation canal and the addition of some of the First Party Games got born on Charter Ford playstation now and the announcement October playstation plus includes mlb show in the last of us. Do you think this is closer to Sony Sony testing the waters for a more game past like approach to first parties on plus an now or do you think that this was a way to get more value services without having to make deals with third parties. I think they see how why Game Bass is successful. and I think they're kind of scared. Not Scared of what Microsoft is going to do but scared of the way that changes the market geared five is a very good example of we don't understand how that's benefiting Microsoft because they have the internal numbers on it so we don't know what their budget is and what like what line crosses the line so years five not selling great but doing fantastic numbers on game pass which is like two dollars for two two months so everyone jumped in two years of war for two dollars and like maybe they stay in front of the COUPLA multiplayer. They do the micro transactions. We talked about yesterday yeah so for Microsoft. Maybe that's a good thing. I don't know I think Sony is looking at something like the last of us and being like if the market moves to the point where they expect people have lil asked of us just four download day one for subscription cost. Is that good for them. Will they make back the money on a multi-million dollar perfect our portfolio builder like that game. I I I can't say the market is changing and very weird ways in yeah. It really depends on how they're skipping opening their budgets for that sort of thing but I don't think I think they they're testing the waters of will do better with First Party Games on there and if the answer whereas yes they might start putting new for games on there like honestly if you own a PS four. You haven't bought second son yet you. We're not super interested in that game so you may be interested if you also has subscription yeah but if you start putting new games on the service as well people will start subscribing for those new games and that changes the the math lately. I don't think they go Dan's eight with playstation exclusive first Party Games and I'm talking about the AAA Games. I don't think they do that until next generation when they fall behind. I think that's a way of trying to fire everything. You've got to catch up to xbox. If that's what you need to do because xbox doing it right granted. They haven't had the first party lineup. They haven't had the triple a lineup game pass in particular with gears of war really being the first hey. This is the first mega triple A. Everybody's excited for it. I don't mean offend you for its fans but you know what. I mean the one that gets outside of genre. I think that was less of a risk for them. They'd rather get you into cool. You heard about SIA thieves. You've heard about state of decay okay to you've heard here's a cheap way to get in and try it and then hopefully you find the library of games find stuff. You've missed you. WanNa play it and keep it around for that and I think that was a good way to get people turning their xbox on and keeping them coming back xbox for that value but if playstation first party games are going to continue to come out and just fucking dominating sales like spiderman dead right or or or like uncharted I mean how many units do you think last of us part who's GonNa ship right like fifty million seller at least right. I mean like there's no so even though it's you get what five percent of that fifty million to pay you ten bucks a month and stick around that I mean theoretically instantaneously probably would happen but why oh I gamble it. When you see you know you can make money out of brick and mortar or digital sales. Definitely also changes the calculus of how you release those kids 'cause like last two won't have multiplayer at launch yeah it would need to have multiplayer liaisons. If you wanted to have that kind of release you WanNa keep people playing repeatedly and you want to have them feed into an ecosystem with small MEKO transactions and things like that. I downloaded remastered the last two nights ago right to get ready because eventually I'm GONNA have time. Wink wink last to deploy it and it was the same thing of like twenty five plus pieces of deal see him like what the all right the multi-player all they made for that game like all right there they are there you go you don't think about with naughty dog yeah how much that and the hats they put out front charted multi-player and shit like that. I will say like so. I'm going to rub intendo into this a little bit because like the way Nintendo does their online offerings of like. Here's a free curvy game. Here's a free Tetris game like those are interesting and I think that is a a method. Sony could go down as well but I think we're more game pass. This sort of thing like ready. Set Heroes comes out tomorrow today it's Today. Nobody knows nobody really cares and like that would be the kind of game that would be ideal percent here. I know you're not gonNA in a by this game but here's what a competitive to to Dungeon crawler know what the fuck is that how many games out right now or are we using established playstation station characters. No it's random woman creatures. No no no. I don't have time need that but if to your point if it's on the service it was free and it's hey there's game you're already paying for. Why not give it a shot. Maybe you play baseball. I spend a decent amount of time just going through game. Oh I'd never played this game. Blazing chrome is a good example of like. I'm not going to pay for this game. I want to play it but I don't have anyone to play with so there's calculus in like all not getting the full value. It's on game. Pass this down in play like it's worth it. It's great game yeah they. They should start doing things like that. If in that's my thing is like they should if they want that ready said here is such a great example of looking at me like what years because this is a playstation three move. Here's this weird game we made. Do you WANNA play like I don't know oh like but it's cool. You guys are making weird. Shit like I like to play. I don't want to pay for it. I played at the preview man. It was fine cool but it's like if you don't have a library of those a lineup of those chamber in your gun full. All those like why would you also. I still don't believe that playstation knows what they WANNA do with playstation now if they want to actually go toe to toe with xbox and compete game pass like if you soft launch it with games like concrete Jeanie and things like that that makes way more sense than like this weird thing they're doing of like I guess not the most recent uncharted game or inverted and like a launch title. Yeah we have like is it. Even the second son plus the deal so you're just like okay no no I live they would've they would've made a big deal about that or said deluxe edition so I WANNA say like I've been looking at Utah going this conversation starter time every time I turn to the side to take a drink of water. I see you on the screen in that outfit and I'm like I'm immediately caught off guard. Oh sorry all right if you're not ill listener. I'm wearing a sick. Halloween is fucking sick is the word I would use toying around with is it the word often the comments. It's I have thought about similar to high war the Santa Hat every day in December last year where the Halloween suit everyday in October so what you gotta wash him in no from a from spirit halloween. It's fun to wash anything for spirit hollow exactly it's a breeze alive and let me tell you these elastic pants. I should get more elastic rance. Are you sure which part all of it you know what I'm sure about. 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The players are now able to join the same matchmaking pool in face off on the battleground for the first time ever thinking city team is put out a console patch that was they said was heavily delayed for multiple reasons to try to make up for the delay they've added additional has to the game plus free outfits the same enhancements and you'll see we'll come to very soon and then borderlands announced its tenth anniversary celebration in ten years ago. Borland's one came out starting today for the through the next five weeks. There's going to be all sorts of events happening happening in borderlands three right now. They've launched boss week. this basically until October eighth you can go play and bosses have increased chance of dropping a unique legendary the item we choose going to be a rare spun hunt week three is going to be show me. The Iridium we four is GONNA be mayhem on twitch in week. Five is going to be spooky surprise. You want US Bougie so he surprised so hoping for something that breaks the game because that's more fun for me. What were you can just one hit. Kill everything yeah I want gone on just like this is unfairly powerful and that's hilarious new dates where chasms going to get a massive update on switch. ps four and Xbox and when Thursday October third they dropped the new trailer from WorldCom at eleven showing the Terminator t eight hundred that's going to be a walkover as he's not voiced by arnold no very distracting so yeah you know like if you can't get it it cancelled why the robot Terminator Yeah. You know what I mean. Don't have it'd be the Schwarzenegger but you wanted to if Bruce Campbell isn't voicing ash then like kill that character to bring some other moral came forecaster in the battlefield five is also getting operation underground multiplayer map on October Third Imron. We we sprinkled in the reader mail there. I know I put two general more general than here. Let's go yeah. We'll do this. One right. We're start with riot goes wolf riot goes into the patriots dot com slash kind of funny games just like you can't says hello to Greg Imron Apex Legends Season Three drops today about this time ago I'd lost some interest in apex thanks to their micro transaction transaction. NPR Fumble on Reddit which put a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. The new character map weapon in game tweaks had me stoked to hop back in and forgive their past mistakes if they've truly learned from them. Do you think people are too quick to forgive mistakes or bad choices that company may companies make or do we need to take a step back sometimes and realize that some things are not not that big of a deal or remember that he was behind. There are humans behind these mistakes. I realize it's more of a case by case answer but maybe some examples stick out. I think I don't know if you feel however you. WanNa feel about a game or developer or whatever you need to feel yeah but I if you if you wanna forgive something and forgive if you don't if it like does bother you the way something like. Their Games are probably not going to play a sequel. I the one that doesn't mean I'm holding it against them. It means I just don't care don't have any interest in it because I have a previous experience. D- like colors my next one so in this sense for like you were coming to this in a very new perspective game is still very new thing but if he if you think they are going to make the micro transaction mistake again then don't get into it but just they made it once and thus you don't like them now like I think that's fine but understand. It's the it's not super fair but again you feel how you WanNa feel. Of course. We can't tell you that it just do what you like. I think it behooves you if you're switched which the game to give them chances if they want or do you think of them for me. It falls into the ladder at least with apex legends in this very specific answer. I don't want this applied to well. This studio killed a bunch of Dogs uh-huh falls into the ladder on this one right. Do we may need to take a step back sometimes and realize that things are not that big of a deal. That's probably the Ding Ding Ding answer in terms terms of how we all get ratcheted up on the Internet every day about something new. There's plenty of real atrocities in things that need to change in real issues we deal with but yeah when like and and again. I know I'm out on the ledge here because I don't play apex. I'm not super familiar with originally I remember when this happened. It was that weird thing they had put out where it was like the basically went ham on loop box yeah but it was it was but then it was like it would be one hundred fifty dollars to buy everything from this thing right and then they put out a statement being like hey like. We hear you sorry. It won't won't be like that and I was like see. Everything's okay that'd be wrote in like no. There's these other fucking loop boxes and you're not talking about like I don't know anything like it. Is this thing of I think you know going back to that and I've said this a lot and I know it doesn't give me any fans usually but there are humans behind. These mistakes can even though it's easy to look at people. It'd be like there's gouges. I think a lot of times they're not and I it's Rod. I talked about gears yesterday right of like Hey. We're learning we go. We're doing all this. We understand right now. You're not happy with the micro transactions. We're going to adjust us. WE'RE GONNA change. We're figuring this all out for the first time yeah. It's very easy especially in ages people who are more or less raise on the Internet. It's easy to think of every name or whatever we see an abstraction of like. I know them based I. I'm sure I know them because I've seen their name a lot and or they're doing a thing that I am familiar with like apex legends and it's easy to go like oh well. These people must be bad because they're doing a thing. I don't like your like that doesn't necessarily apply here but because there is that kind cuts both ways with the way the reaction to those loobox when the developers went on Red Lake of course yeah they went on Redden Fuck. You guys like people have acceleration her mouth about. I also entirely think they're wrong about some of that stuff either like the kind threats you get like. I remember there was a call of duty guy who was in in charge of multi-player or something like that. He was like it was one of the team for it and he would just post his death threats that he would get because he like nerva shotgun and he would be incredibly angry about it so I guess that cuts both ways and a lot of ways but again the idea of maybe just aren't a big deal. That is probably the takeaway. Do you need to cut with it. They're they're in the sand like there is a I don't WanNa get too far into it without knowing the name developer or the game but there is a thing now about they develop an indie developer who's like very what's gleefully transphobic. and the people are posting like logs and twitter are tweets that are being developed today a friend who sent me of the wholesale thing. Did you see that yeah. It's like forty one. which is it's hard to get like the actual fact out of that because are they trying to make fun of transient rates or are? They just making a forty one percent off sale. forty-one percent is various various weirdly specific to me that. I think they're trying to make fun of that and we're very gross west yeah yeah that's that is a line in the sand where I'd be like no. I'M NOT GONNA support anything. 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#Operations 5: The Math Gives You the Data, but the Magic Comes from the People

Seeking Wisdom

18:50 min | 1 year ago

#Operations 5: The Math Gives You the Data, but the Magic Comes from the People

"Hey everyone. Welcome back to another episode of operations. The show where we look under the hood of companies hyper growth. My name is Shawn Lane one of the benefits of doing this show is that as I meet and talk to really talented interesting operations people, I, get to ask them to introduce me to more talented and interesting operations people, and just like the candidate referrals that you're recruiting team loves it's these ops referrals that are often the most valuable to finding guests, and that's exactly how I came to meet today's guest Jackie Murphy. Jackie is the chief marketing officer at Avi Networks where in the past five and a half years she's gone from a marketing army of one to overseeing both marketing and business development team of more than fifty people. She lives in hyper growth every single day if you're in marketing OPS marketing demand Gen or you run an SDR or BDR team I promise you you want. To be like Jackie Murphy and that's not just because he has a cool CMO title it's her command of every last tiny lever of her business and probably not just the typical ever as you're thinking of either. So you can start to understand the unique perspective she has in her understanding of those levers as you connect the dots of her also unique and varied background. It is an interesting path and I, think it just goes to show you that follow the things that you truly love. You ultimately end up in a place that's good for you and that's certainly the case. To be so I actually started knowing that I wanted to get into technology marketing right from my university days. So looking around at my classmates who are choosing to go into consumer products or into management consulting thing I was the only one in my class who really truly wanted to be intech marketing and so rated. If University started looking for jobs in that space, there weren't a lot of tech marketers. Back in my day. So dating myself a little bit there, but I was fortunate enough to join. Tech. Advertising Agency and we ended up working with a lot of the tech companies in the city that I live in currently, which is what are the one -Tario in Canada and so did a lot of consulting work with those companies got exposed to a lot of different things from Tech Marketing and advertising perspective. And then from there, I joined a startup called pick stream that was a rocket ship and ended up being acquired by Cisco at the peak of the Internet bubble back in ninety nine, two, thousand era. And after pick stream, I ended up flipping over to the venture capital side of the world and worked as a venture capital investor for about ten years, and that was a wild ride. It was probably one of the worst times ever to be a venture capital investor host host, dot com blow up but it did teach me a lot of really great lessons in terms of had pick great companies to work with which often centers around the teams that you end up working alongside. So really learn a lot of great lessons they're about choosing the people that you want to work with and the market opportunities that you want. To be involved in and did that for ten years. So essentially, my role attack capital initially was to help with the investment process. So do the initial deal sourcing Dilettantes, and then once the investment was made, I would then go into the companies and essentially acted their sales and marketing resource until the company was up and running. So help them with their initial go to market strategy and not kind of thing. So I got exposed to a lot of different types of tech industries learned how to really get to know an industry very quickly and navigate my way through those initial go to market steps and then following pick stream. Did my own startup for a very short period of time but a year and a half, and then ended up joining ave again for the people mark Moran, who is one of the founders of offic. was actually one of the founders of extreme that I had worked with. Bubble, and so wanted to reconnect with him and work with him again and joined for that reason, and yet it's been quite a ride five years now. In those five years one of Jackie's roles has been to build the business development or BDR team at offic alignment of a BDR team where it sits in an organization how it's measured those can all be difficult things to get right. But for Jackie and her team, it really wasn't much of an issue at all their answer was simple math. So, everything offic has been built on this principle of it's all math right and so from a marketing perspective, it's also all math. So we actually have done something a little bit different here at Dav it can I know that there are other companies that are also doing, but the majority are still building their business development teams within sales. So they're viewed as that first step of the sales pipeline. We've you business development here at all vic as the last step in the marketing pipeline, and so having business development part of the marketing team makes everything that we do from a marketing. Perspective Super Tangible. So we are very aware that our customer not our customer in terms of a product perspective, but our customer terms if what we're delivering as a marketing team is our development team, and so we need to make sure that the leads that we are passing to the business. Development Team are the best leads that we can possibly be passing to them. So we're measured in terms of the number of opportunities that we pass to the business development team and the very aligned with them in terms of incentive. So it works really well for us from a metrics perspective. And I feel like everyone would like to think that you would treat that delivery or that quality of what it is you're handing off them the same way whether or not they were on your team or not. But I do think that just having that direct alignment of marketing and development together probably does lead to a little bit of an increase in terms of what the quality is and just also the care with which those things are passed off to think. I think where the rubber hits the road for us is the metrics that we choose to measure ourselves based on right. So we don't measure ourselves based on vanity metrics at all. Obviously, we look at website traffic number of downloads and those types of things but at the end of the day, the thing that really matters for us as a marketing team is how many meetings did we? Book. Our sales team, right? That is the metric. That really keeps US accountable and makes us focus on the things that matter for business to grow. No vanity metrics only focus on the things that matter for the business to grow. These aren't just throwaway lines. Jackie lives by these and shapes her business around them. Every step of the way remember those levers I was telling you about. One of the things that we've actually just recently implemented and it's having a huge impact on our team is our lead pipeline. We've always had elite pipeline and that we say this many leads and they convert through the pipeline like this, and this is what we ultimately get out of those leads. Now, there's a German on my team. His name is Sean who's just built out this incredible work of art spreadsheet. Essentially. Something only offers can say. So you'RE GONNA fall. Oh. My Gosh. You should see the but anyways, it takes all of our different lead source channels. And it takes all of the conversion rates associated with all of the lead source channels. And it takes our ultimate what we actually have to pass over the line which we call it off over the line is essentially are metric four meetings book to sales team. So takes that and it works all the way back and tells us exactly how many leads we need from each of our lead sources in order to be able to hit our ultimate company, revenue. Targets. So of the it's amazing. It's this really neat. Thanks who can put in how many trade show leads we get. We can put it. How many inbound sem leads we get how many organically as we get we can put in how many women are leads we get, and it does all the calculations and tells us at the end of the day what that's ultimately going to generate for us in terms. Of. Revenue. So we can say, Oh, shoot we know that our sales cycle is sixty five days long. We know that we have this coming through our pipeline. We know that we're going to be a little bit short. So we need to add on another webinars or we need to go to one more trade show or we need to do one more campaign on facebook and that allows us to very carefully. Adjust our marketing programs in order to be able to hit those revenue targets and how often are you adjusting those kind of inflight using the examples you just gave right so I think it's one thing to be able to build the spreadsheet and say, okay, here's what we think is going to happen. It's quite another to actually execute against that when inevitably one of the rows of that spreadsheet doesn't turn out the way you expect it to. One of the things that we really tried to do on our team is diversification of programs. So we have eggs in a lot of different baskets and so if one or two of the programs don't end up performing as expected, we've got another fifty eight programs. That are running that week and when I say fifty eight I, really mean you know five, hundred and eight. Of the writing that week, right we have a lot of things going on at the same time and we might get one or two leads from each of the programs but in aggregate and based on the conversion rates that we've seen historically, we've got a brady good idea of what's going to pop it at the back end while it's not a hundred percent perfect and there are some weeks where we just go like Thanksgiving Week Oh my God. That is the kiss of death in terms. Of Marketing Operations Lead? Gen. initiatives. But we know this season we know build that into our model. We know that that week is going to be a complete right off for us. And so we try to do things around that week to really drive pipeline both ahead of that week, and after that week, that's part of our planning as well. Jackie has removed. So many of the excuses that people rely on. Oh, it's Thanksgiving oh too short month she knows the calendar doesn't change. So she knows that based on her inputs and what's going to spit out on the other end she can plan ahead for the fact that it's Thanksgiving, and if she does nothing different around that time sixty five days from now, she's going to be light on her number. Armed with that beautiful spreadsheet of hers, it's one thing for her and her team know the numbers but I wanted to know how she instill this type of thinking across optic to keep everyone thinking the same way and for her it all comes down to cadences routines. We have a weekly cadence here at all VIC, her quota results for the marketing team needs to be delivered on a weekly cadence. Within that weekly Cadence, we do a number of different things. So we have our daily stand up both on the business development side of the House and also on the marketing side of the house to make sure that everybody knows what they need to do on day in order to be able to hit our targets. We have a weekly kickoff meeting for the marketing team. so that everybody knows what programs are that they need to be working on. We have a funnel review meeting front side of the funnel, review meeting every week. So we can look at this pipeline beautiful dashboard that Sean has created, and we can see if there are any gaps in the near future or even a quarter out that we be planning for because it takes time to build these programs right? We also have a full funnel review meeting once a week where we get together with sales finance CEO and we get in a room and we look at trends over time to see how we're tracking to the overall company planned to see if there's anything that we need to adjust on the front side of the funnel to be able to hit those longer term metrics. And then we have an awesome meeting takes place every Friday. Where are BDR team gets together and they review each other's funnels they go head to head pair. Up Against Each Other and they look like others pipelines the big long table, and our BDR's sit across from each other across the table and they review each other's pipelines publicly in front of the entire team one will grill the other and then that will grow the other person across the table. It's things like well, I noticed your call volume was a little bit down this week. You know what was the reason for your call volume being low? They're they're calling each other out. That's right and they are way more critical of each other. Then, we would ever be but there in the fire with them right and so and they know they're going to get it right back. So it's really interesting. there. So there are a lot of things that we do to keep ourselves accountable and we do things on a very tight timeline. As soon as we see this something a little bit off, we can adjust and so what does it what is tightening? Every week we're reviewing metrics as a team every week. And every week we know exactly what we need to hit and we plan to hit those numbers. And We look and we reported those numbers and we we adjust we test constantly. To, be able to refine our programming and over me as someone who's hearing you describe this for the first time the net of what I take away from your approach to all of this is that you've got these incredibly specific cadences and routines that allow you to. Both measure Z. Okay. Here's where we're at according to where this Reggie says we're going to be at but then also make those kind of real time adjustments on the flies at is at a decent way gaps late that. Absolutely. At what point do you say to yourself? Okay. We've hit the right number of these routines. We've hit the right number of these cadences as opposed to you know I could also see a situation where it's like a while we're having so many meetings to talk about the progress against this number if I were playing devil's advocate and say, oh, totally is the same thing we talked about two days ago like we we know this is the program for this week s we know this is the program for next week like are you find that balance? So you're absolutely bang on right. We are getting to the point now where there are too many meetings and so the thing that we're testing now is. Can, we pull back on some meetings. Can we make the beating shorter? How do we make the meetings more efficient right? What are the things that we actually need to be talking about the other thing with meetings that I think people really don't think about enough is that the social time is also import especially when your soul metrics focused and you're really like we're really running a machine here. But it's people who are running that machine. It's really important to have that face time and it's really important to continue coming together as a team because if you don't care about your teammates if you don't know your teammates if you're not friends with your teammates, it all falls apart right when you're working at this velocity and your quotas are so high and the expectations of the team are so high that if you don't have each other's backs, right? If you don't have that caring and compassionate, amongst team members just doesn't work. As, much as I wanNA pull back on the meetings, they aren't always the most efficient I do think that they are important. The face to face time with people is very, very important I. think that's Super Interesting because you started our conversation by saying, Hey, optics company where everything is math right and yet you're able to take this incredibly nonmeasurable thing, which is the social interaction you have with your teammates were you're in a meeting with them? And say, Hey, this is actually something we found to be really important and so yeah, you know the pipe crawl meeting last week wasn't great. We didn't really get a whole lot of new stuff out of it but somebody brought a new idea table or this person who had necessarily been able to contribute to the previous campaign was able to show off this campaign I think that's really interesting that you can still see the value in those things. Yeah? Well, the math gives you the data, but the magic comes from the people. The math gives you the data, but the magic comes from the people man I love that I told Jackie I'd go in on bumper stickers or t shirts with her whatever she wants to get that line out there into the world. We talk a lot at drift dichotomies when given two options to complex problem, the answer is most often both. More than anyone I've talked to Jackie embodies that concept of both on one hand she knows her math and know the levers of her business cold and yet she also finds this immeasurable, very non mathematical value in the human interactions that come out of meeting together in a room with teammates, and it certainly comes across that for her team they're better off. Before we go at the end of each show, we're gonNA ask each guest the same lightning round of questions ready. Here we go. The best. Book. You've read in the last six months. I do read books but. It doesn't have to be a business book. Now isn't that terrible? I read ten pages of every book and then I am focused anymore is terrible. I feel like Oh vibrating at such a fast speed that I can't sit and read a book anymore, which is really sad I would really like to read a book. All right we'll put it on the to do is that Your favorite part about working in marketing or marketing ops however, you want to phrase it was a favourite part. Seeing the look on our customers faces when they learn about. The value that we can provide to them I never get sixteen. That's amazing and on the flip side, what your least favorite part. Administration. Someone who impacted you getting the job? You have today I'd have to say, Mark. So. We've talked about him a few times in this podcast. Yeah definitely. Mark. and. One piece of advice for someone who wants to have your job someday. Just really focused on adding value. Don't worry about. Titles or climbing the ladder or any of those types of things that are a little bit more tangible. Just really keep your head down. Work your butt off add as much value as you can the people that you're working with into your customers and the rest will take care of itself. A huge. Thank you Jackie Murphy for joining me on this week's episode of operations one phenomenal conversation and just like Jackie was a referral. I would love referrals from the rest of you on people that you think would be great guests for the show. So tweet at me at show Biz semi-linked and message you can email me I'm s lane at drift dot com but thank you to everyone who's been listening and sending. US feedback about the show. We really appreciate it. If you WANNA take that feedback one step further, we would love for you to leave us a six star review on apple podcasts. Six Star reviews only that's it for me the next time.

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#Operations 4: Metrics are Meaningless without Segments with Brett Queener, VC & Former Salesforce EVP

Seeking Wisdom

38:01 min | 2 years ago

#Operations 4: Metrics are Meaningless without Segments with Brett Queener, VC & Former Salesforce EVP

"If you think about all of it when people say like, what's The salesforce bottle? salespers-. Trick which was like. Find a segment subdivide that segment focus your execution. Specialized your marketing, your sales, your product offering your competitive your trading, and optimize the hell out of it. The voice is heard was the voice of our guest today Brett Greener and the podcast you're hearing right now is operations the show where we look under the hood of companies hyper growth. My name is Shawn Lane you had to explain the genesis of software as a service to someone a good shot. You'd start your story by talking about SALESFORCE DOT com. If you Google top SAS companies, today chances are you'll find salesforce very close to if not at the top of the list. So should come as no surprise to you the for this show, we wanted to learn from those who have been there done that from within the walls of salesforce. Today. We have that opportunity in a conversation with Brett cleaner who spent a decade salesforce from two thousand, three, two, thousand, thirteen as an operations executive in also later ran specific product lines like data dot Com marketing cloud. Now. Brett spends his time today venture partner at Bonfire Adventures and his specialty. You can live at the intersection of product and go to market. So today he's GonNa. Help us. That intersection he drops so much knowledge in our conversation. So if you've ever had to put together a go to market strategy or you've second-guessed if you had the right number of reps on your team or you're just a Dr Seuss Fan, you're gonNA WANNA listen to this one all the way through before we got to deep I asked Brett to set the scene for me of what salesforce like when he joined in two thousand three. I choice salesforce I think we were doing. I don't know maybe ten to fifteen million in revenue, which we now call recurring revenue. Although some portion but I think was month. So it wasn't clearly contracts or our time. So, very small we probably had. Oh, I don't know ten fifteen sales. Reps had just started what we call the enterprise experiment with a few REPS. Outside San Francisco, they were over thirty at the field. Super Super Small and. At that time what was interesting about salesforce was? There was no SAS playbook. There were no. PODCASTS like this. There was no bottle for how you built a SASCHA market. And you have to understand for those that have some grey hair part of two thousand three software was sold the following three ways you had clunky enterprise software that you'd enterprise reps, corporate jets and you try to close deals if you did you made the quarter if. You had layoffs. Middle and it was sort of solar over the found. It was somewhat easy to buy at third was through a channel or ours would be at FRY's package wrapped or you know through Microsoft fires, Rypien Vars, etc. There was never a company prior to salesforce that thought about selling direct. What piece of software albeit different packages to every buyer along the spectrum for five per start up to fifty thousand dollars enterprise, and that was what we were trying to crack understand. Yeah and now we have you know behind the cloud that takes us through every single one of those plays. But when you don't have the playbook and you're starting to grow from, you know whatever you said Fifteen Twenty Reps. And I saw on your linked in those first couple years you were there you were getting up until like two, hundred, fifty reps by two, thousand, five without a playbook. How are you balancing this idea of this? Really aggressive growth with what you think the right capacity is for the number of reps that you need to hit that growth. Sure. I mean. I would think one thing that I tell companies. That I advised right best at there's sort of. There are, there's there's two numbers that matter of employees, a three numbers that matter in terms of scale, which is how many jobs are you hiring, and how many eight you're. You know I was not either of those two. Sorry. But if you're. Not, an easy your at other but that's the driver driver of. A CD. Here's a magic number of I stuck people when asked I tell us but at least twenty percent of your employees should be quota carry as those are sort of magic numbers. and. So we knew that look. If, we ever got to the point where we felt like we couldn't hirees. These are the resources we started redoubled back and said look. Clearly we're not making it we have productive or not focused in the right area. So before we go elsewhere, let's tackle this challenge, but it turns of playbook. I. Think the the key playbook that we thought about from salesforce perspective and this is sort of the guides. That I use working with companies is really thinking about what segment of market as you're trying to fight market fit we obviously had some fit and needed to be fair. At salesforce we had what pretty amazing differentiation now granted back that there were people that in it that we're thinking the cloud, their enemy because it was replaced shops, but it was pretty differentiated right? It was software that people might use you pay as you go in theory and remember back before salesforce we upgraded your software you didn't have to bring it s to reimplement right you your all of your customization were pushed from quarter to quarter with releases because remember before that innovation was scary right because you have to reinforce what you have so. We could hire hard twenty, twenty year olds would fifty K. would work like ten hours a day right so it was a little different right San Francisco is a lot cheaper back then at the. The weird thing about it is we just went to the board a lot. You know did a lot of to by two three batteries but ultimately. We would try to figure out. What we're our segments, what were we see, and then within those segments? How could we optimize the elements of our go to market playbook to be more effective there? At that time in salesforce evolution, Bret told me that those segments were largely driven through unbound. Matt salesforce went where the man was selling mostly to small tech companies without a lot of budget. But over time those segments started to shift and the offerings shifted with them. If you really think about what salesforce did masterfully in the et other that at some point emerging. But it's interesting was really sort of understanding each market segment. It were there was potential demand for its product. Of Sub segmenting. Its resources, ed focus, and tailoring the marketing approach the sales resources, the product offering a pricing and package that we brought to that to optimize to get the most sort of output or yield is investment in that space as. A one approach across all segments doesn't work I think salesforce. It'd amazing job for that at the leads you and I talked about before. I speak to as you're trying to find market fit you're trying to understand your business is what I call. The tool versus APP versus platform markets buyer value proposition I think this is interesting. Do you think? Yes sure. If you think about what it says for start at sales started as a individual rap for like twenty nine bucks a month with their credit card could go online and track their deals as a tool for them. And if you think about what sales forces today with the APP exchange, the fact that you tried to replace this for something else you've got re fifteen apps out with it. It's a platform. First and foremost salesforce is your on demand cloud platform. Yes. It's got this data the rest of it, but so much of your of Your Business and other applications in critical processes are tied to it. So when I when I talk to people. It's really important to me to think through tool versus actresses platform at why do I think about that? You know it's interesting talking to you guys adrift. Now you guys are trying to change you know going from lead forms and just letting people to converse the way they want to converse. Other. Just dropped my daughter for college. She hasn't respect. Texas maybe maybe. You're. there. Maybe you're. Targeting. But. But so funny right because if you think about so much like Sally, if you're a sales operations or sales table, but the rest of it, you'll know what I'm saying. But you know you bring in the Blue Pink Sheet, Miller High Value Vision Berry right etc which is whole prospect of like value selling. Getting the buyer into your I, it came the way they think at asking discovery questions where you ask that magic three questions which if they say, yes, you uniquely of the of capability says have. So you've got the traffic center, etc, right it's all predicated bat or sift which we know is a joke right because like the people that go to your website felt lead forms or talk to be adrift like they don't have power the budget today but they're spar investigating and they're not at this this whole idea I sees a waste because in today's world I think of buyers well informed I. Think they've no time for thirty discovery questions exactly what you're trying to do. And you're just GONNA create unnecessary friction I'll give you an example I was talking to a company that by all external metrics is killing it. It's on its way to being. UNICOR. But they've one product it's very complex, but it's great and powerful, and they're trying to sell it down market against competitor has very simplistic. Product isn't that useful and they're trying to get two extra price because they're trying to salvage better it is. But it's just happened. I just tell them. Right you've got an SNP buyer who's just looking for a tool. Who WanNa Platform and so your missile lining kind of the resources you bring to bear. So what I like to think about is. Bringing the appropriate level of complexity that the buyer is willing to have whether that's product plexus. Whether that is sales process complexity whether that's pricing and packaging complexity like bring the appropriate level of complexity that the buyer is willing to have or deal with at the appropriate tool APP or platform segment and I think you remove a ton of friction and I think you'll you'll do a lot better those segments. Brett already said it twice, but I'm GonNa say it again anyways bring the appropriate level of complexity that the buyer is willing to have. So then that begs the question how do you make sure you correctly assess where your product belongs in Brett's model? How do I make sure I don't mess up whether I've got a tool versus an APP versus a platform? I think you generally start as an application or tool, but I think generally to some extent are thinking about the segments that you're in and sort of what you're seeing as natural velocity points. It's what I talk about is. When you think about is. Look. A tool tends to be unless you're slack or Atlassian or of practice bought. Park sold its bought generally it's an sap segments in sap segment it generally your demand tends to be inbound. The sales cycle tends to be relatively transactional you tend to be talking to a few people are Fewer conversations and it's quickly getting to a okay. What's the price and can I afford this deceit fair at tends to be more of a tomb right as you start moving at, you know when you think about that. The key that I like last Brad. What do you do? What's your? What's your value at all this kind of stuff I tried to explain that I liked the intersection of product go to market. And so in the world. You know the product better be pretty simple to understand it probably needs to be triable. No sl or you know extensive services needs to be needed like there shouldn't be a sales engineer at site right? Like if there's a San Jose engineer. On a product that's a tool you best a duck messed up somewhere right? You're Caq isn't going to work. And you're into to your point about. You have mismatched those categories right? All of a sudden. It's way more complex. You missed the boat completely. Yeah at bit on the demand side like this has to be about. Right like I have companies that I work with that have got to large amounts of yard at some point realized like you know what this Caq. In this segment is great and I go is that what? About. Now I got one or two str's for every rap and I'm like. Wow. You know. So if you can't have legions of yards dowling outbound. Right something sort of inefficient and the rest of it you know that s tr is somebody's GonNa be affected up Arkansas's you're going what I call the buyer who's going to be spent or money or the plot for buyer so I think you spending on your stage when you start out I, think you kinda understand like. My value proposition something that's relatively easy to be understood quickly. Or is this something that I need to kind of go and explain it sell I think it my mind that's the clear delineation a little bit between tool aunt, an application where's a tool your salespeople to some extent are helping people by because the value propositions pretty clear. They could see it and when you get to APP like it needs to be sold a bit right when he gets a platform well you. GotTa go find thirty people to sell to, and you've got to deal with all the price. I can't I can't s- right and then you need like the sock to the you know the pet test duck before you get a deal done right and that there's you know calling the CFO or CEO CEO last quarter I tried to get your bar to call. We know that that's that feels like the platform by. I, love the way Brett breaks down I also know though that for many of you are inside of hyper growth companies once you've identified which bucket you're in today, you might want later understand the transition between those different buckets and whether or not. Let's say for example, you could be both in the tool an APP buckets at the same time I think it could both buckets at the same time, but you need to make program best. Yielding. Challenge only staying in one bucket list, you're basically saying it number one sales people to self serve park. It's wonderful. Then you live in Tulsa dominate the space. But if you have an evolution to go barking or appear market naturally if there's opportunity for salesforce, it was like there was no other demand players they were forced to cloud software. So there's plenty of market opportunity but as you moved up market, the demands and needs were different they wanted to customize. At four tenths there was no API. There was no dashboards. Parts you couldn't change the name of any fields and there were no third party applications right? There's no forecasting. Nope no etc.. But that met the native Indians Repertoire Reps to be successful. Remember nobody was logging into using on premise systems so you can be in both markets but. What I think you have to tie that to where you are and you're in revolution. If you're early on your starting accompanying, you've done seed funding a funding you simply can't afford to try to do three segments. Because one, you don't have the money and resources to put enough in any of them such that yielded anything meaningful and into that will help you and understanding of initial market fit. You know I think you have some initial market fit as a platform, an APP, a tool buyer, and then you have to figure out which way am I going right in my? Mind player going to be platform and my platform an APP buyer thinking. Well, this is good but the parts to complex I think there's an opportunity downmarket and maybe I can be a tool or my tool by where I think there's an APP opportunity. But how do I do that without losing the beauty of Whitehall business I mean. So early on, I try to get people to kind of focus in one area that speaks if you will to their core value proposition with think, they're buying up front I it's important because if you try to serve all three, it's Products a mess like the for those that have kids, there's a book called A. Duck it's a and it's it's a Dr Seuss Book where Duck Fina go through a pond. Tiger claws, I can do this and if I had an elephant. And then he was like, no, I have an idea what if I had all of them and then what happens is the town call so many which what who, and they throw them in jail because they don't know what he S. so then he decides he just wants to himself at the end of your know. Your companies that you're talking to if they are many which what who, then, that's the problem. As a quick aside, I went and found this children's book. It is in fact, by Dr Seuss in it's called I wish that I had duck feet and it's awesome. If you don't want to read it, yourself someone will literally read it to you on Youtube seven minutes of your life highly recommend anyways at this point, I'm just furiously taking notes as Brett takes me to school planning out these different go to markets, and naturally as an ops person, my mind started to wander to metrics but once again, Brett set me straight about the dangers of metrics without the context of the segment itself ethics are meaningless. Unless we know. What market we're serving Right. You know I have a company that I worked with IT HAS A. Sale SMB midmarket and enterprise sounds weird. Doesn't make any sense. So, big thing we did it salesforce because what you find is if the Sales Rep. That had a segment that included very transactional. Buyers are inbound, an easy and larger bars have to go after. They would some optimize for whatever was easier to make their number, which if a red didn't optimize for making their number can accomplish fire it means they can't read complex. So so so what happened is if there was a bunch inbound, they would go do that never go out and we'd we'd ignore that segment or there was a couple of big deals their work on that could bring it in and maybe had months accelerators because they're smb complex but admit market deals. They would ignore all the inbound. The inbound would wait for five days to get back. Somebody was busy deals. So you can understand it's just a mess. So and you know I'm sorry seated drift etcetera etcetera you know the sales person who's doing assisted buying tool sale is dramatically different than the. Enterprise Account Executive it's kind of six months cycle. They're wired differently indifferently, and so like not only is it unfair to like have context which with wrapped go through that conversation not only does it make you pretty given section? Well, there's no way to like enable that rap train that rep support that REP, and there's no way to pay that rep appropriately. So what I'm getting to now is a have the right product offering to segment you're in or segments figure out the right demand model, and then like let's figure out how we start to specialize for sales roles perspective and you know the one thing salesforce did nothing oracle had done to some extent was It built if it will this this machine, right this machine that allowed us to take young kids and colleges inbound s Tara's going to help out your is going DSP. SOB REPS TO UPSET GP wraps whereas if you look at the head of America's all of the Americas enterprise field business today for salesforce, which is probably I. Don't know what is that five billion dollars business a billion dollar business. Was An SDR at my boot camp that trait? The first bootcamp Iran two, thousand, and three. So. So now if we have some level of specialization metrics can actually make sense right because when I see people tell me Oh my lead conversion rate this or my opportunity close rate is this a ESPN's this or my sales cycle exists and give me that number and aggregate I just look at them and tells me nothing Brett said over and over again that the salesforce mantra was specialize in focus specialize in focus. With all of these segmentation specialization lessons in mind we turned our attention to arguably the hardest component of go to market plan the humans how many sales people do you need do you know which skill sets you need for which segment and what ramps and quota should look like? They're notepads ready once we have some level of segments then we can start looking at performance right and I basically I try to keep it simple right? This is not an algorithm, it doesn't require a I. I basically have to I have two questions I ask people. Okay. My chess. For the s the executives we haven't given segment swimming. You have sales sex are we achieving desired level of quote achievement and I'll I'll get a little more than that. And if you are not or you want more. You know like if you are then you're like, okay there too far too few or your. According to the it's always the good problem. Don't need like the companies like I'm crushing my corden estimate they don't really. Get. Out of the way they're like you need heart or any tire. I raised quota. But generally if they're not gonNA give it segment or they want to do better I asked them. Is it an issue of? Do you have enough quality at bats or you have an inability to close? Because ultimately, that goes through lovers. It right I mean so. and. Then on the the first question on the quota. Achieving your level of quota I can't tell you the number of younger executives like, Wow, I've closed. One deal was really dillard deal. So ideals are all billion dollars. So I'm going to hire reps pay one, hundred, Fifty K. they're gonNA have a two million dollar quota. It only need like for like ten bucks. A boy. Oh boy okay. Sell or the other one where how about your ramp why haven't enterprise? And when they walk into have. Six Ripe. But in month three, still do twenty, five, percent month four, fifty, a month six, seventy, five, hundred, percent months six, and then they'll come to board Buick Carlos expert floor plan I'm like. Are you Florida can't plan because the people have got full ramp or there was actually did nothing closed between month three and month five because it was no pipe. Sales cycle yeah that. I'm like, okay. So my point is might be off. Have Realistic Ramp like if you have an enterprise for APP, let's be clear stopping greedy unless you've figured out something I haven't figured out. There's a rule of four to one less. You have an amazing inbound business. Generally you'RE GONNA pay somebody one quarter their. Quota. They're making a million bucks. You might have to pay him two fifty a plan. Up for inside businesses and the rest of his inbound, you pay them less but anything anything you're paying them more than that. Then you're going to be off from a match perspective. And look enterprise out generally the ramp takes at least six months to ramp. Okay. Inside reps three, and maybe you know TV somewhere between but let's just be conservative for perspective. And a general rule of thumb at I use used salesforce mark was amazing that this. It's having wrap staff and we'd be like, wow, I got this ramped or not ramp as again like you're having reps you have. Just. been. Okay say let's say we had forty Reps. Okay you forty wraps. Okay. Conforti wraps it. Okay. We're GONNA book six, billion this what he goes, it's fifty came in. What do you mean fifty came? It's fifty km. Yeah Str's in marketing and the ramping in he's a really care. It's fifty. So generally within a segment that was his way of setting the goal or that was his way forecasting. This is what we're actually going to do with this way of telling ask hiring Mauri got making. He's basically saying was like at a minimum we need to do. Gym Work Right we do less less and it was a way of it wasn't perfect. But from a math perspective, what you got to a segment if you were doing more than fifty k keep hiring and optimizing or if doing less than fifty k. stop hiring fix something, which was interesting right? Because one of the big challenges that the company's you sell to companies I work with is the following. They get to some excitement things are going pretty well lot blah blah, and they tell the board gotta figure out and they raised their be round where sea route go higher. Higher. Bunch. OF WRAPS CLINIC SEGMENTS WE'RE NOT. Reps and we realized that we don't really know how to create pipe for them, and then they don't make their number never sat. And then everybody gets last says company we're not winning anymore. They've cut back on the snacks. The Kabuga's not as good as it was at the company flames right flames at like at six months because we have said rips like several ones worried about that. But you don't get to like, oh I'm only going to hire the wraps when I have enough pipeline sitting here ready for you know like that's That gets back to the balance. We talked about the very beginning right of that growth versus the capacity. And so this fifty k. rule of thumb was if you're doing more than fifty per minute segment keep hiring and if you're doing less than a segment figure what's going do you think don't you think that like you know so many different numbers somebody for metrics anybody could look at but I do think that is the way to just oversimplify all thing. Hey, what's our productivity per rap? Okay. Keep going or okay we stop and figure something out. I mean if you think about it's just a math. Is All of the complex answers I been giving, right? I've tried to keep them simple, but here's an interesting one and he was always and he was always right. So once you figured out how many of each type of rep you're going to need which? Is a Herculean effort in and of itself Bret told me then it's time to take a look at things like average sales price and from there there's really just too key metrics. He cares about opportunity close rate an opportunity win rate. Now if you're like me, we're thinking aren't those the same thing think again, the to couch that I use is one opportunity close rate what starts with a concept of accepted opportunities. This is where talked to my friends outreach. Sales Loft and the rest of it. They've made this in serious decisions and inbound marketing like no one knows what like a real opportunity? But assuming, we know what real opportunity is where we think that this is an accepted opportunity right and it's not cherry-pick 'cause rep only wanNA work with perfect. But it's not an opportunity because you have no problem accepting bs yards opportunities because the curve accepted opportunities and there's no doubt. All agree to definition and an for accepted opportunities in a given period of quarter I looked at which those did we win closed win. Divided by which did we lose to a competitor and which did we lose to no decision plus closed one? We win and denominator is the some of what we want plus what we lost to a competitor what we lost decision. That gives me sort of close rate. And if that is like less than thirty three percent, we've got a problem somewhere right 'cause. I. Don't like telling marketing SDR pipeline. You need to create than three x pipeline to hit or number because if you do, there is a level of inefficiency somewhere in your value prop your market opportunity, your differentiation, and that's that's the lever that. Start with some real quick on the on that equation. Are You you're very specific about the things that you're saying why you lost are there are there categories of closed lost opportunities that you're purposefully not including there or are you just basically saying okay, these are typically the two major buckets of kloss. Well. These are the two buckets half. Glue something. No no I'm not either a deal with either a deal was done. Somebody bought something. From us for somebody else or they decided. Okay anything. So. That I use his opportunity win rate, which is. Closed one. Divided by close loss plus closed win where I get rid lost no decision and that tells how well I am against competitors. And I want to be north of fifty, five, sixty, six percent like when it deal goes down. I. Got at least when one out of two if I'm dominant I gotTa Win at least two and three and we're up not I can look at Pirka Predator per segment understand something I really think. So first of all, I completely grabbing looking at that competitor compete piece on its own is really valuable. I also think looking at the no decision one particularly in the case where at salesforce was in at the time and what drift is in now in terms of. In addition to winning a deal you're also. Both in in both instances, I think trying to convince someone to do something that's different from what the typically accepted like quote unquote best practice at the time was right and so I think that's another interesting component of those decisions is how good of a job are we doing actually laying out the value of this new new thing this new ask that we're making up our buyers because it's not just like, Hey, you've got this thing we want to replace it and put up a new in its place. It's hey, you have nothing here and we want to put something in to fill that void. Oh Yeah. I mean unlike salesforce like seven other firms say by are trying to sell up right to the issue have now at the police Becher at the Sas Economy Sastre is your buyers is getting pummeled right and so the way I look at the entire sales process initially you're having conversations are some interest if they called you or you call them or whatever it is, and you need to move from a conversation to get a funded project here to buy something new to replace from using etc and then. If can I would they? Get them to select me as the vendor for that funded project. If you really had a high level breakdown like the bike sales process, that's how I think about it and so that lost no decision generally means we did a really poor job of moving from that conversation to funded project side we either happy years and there was no funded project he made or we did a poor job of creating generally what that means. For we go as always, we're going to ask our guest, the same set of lightning round of questions ready. Here we go. What is the best book you've read in the last six months the best book I have read in the last six months. It is I'll tell you the buck up terrible words. Japanese writer, Kazuo Kiro the book was give me one second. Forty eight I don't remember the well, it was called the buried giant the best book read the last six months the buried giant yes. by Couso Ishiguro's who won the Pulitzer Prize Nobel Prize. He's he he won the Nobel Prize I think for remains of the day. Beijing amazing novel amazing level. Coal favourite part about working in operations. Seek scale happen. So much of SAS it's all for business is a slog you work hard and the rest of it. You put a dollar at you get a dollar out you get up, you put a dollar it you get a dollar out. and. When you start to see scale at memento where somebody's putting in a dollar or unit of effort getting two dollars a tutor or if it's better, that's a magic moment. But so what you see that happening it's it's palpable and it's very exciting. That's a great answer about the least favorite part about working in ops. I guess maybe the alternative what you said. For me, I love operations. Being operational. For me. There is a time when you don't have an answer. And if you're an operator, you're Taipei, you're fine with bat answers. If I would bad news, you find your love goodness but not being able to understand why you're underperforming and give it segment as an operator drives you crazy. It keeps you up at night. Yup Somebody who impacted getting the job you have today. I made a decision two years ago. To interest decision but to spent the last two years of my kids high school career. Don Operational role helping sort of product manage them into the college process. My wife was very sparked. She said two most important products. Are Two and three years Jay and they're gonNA fail at launch. You've lost a lot of companies a lot of people a of careers. Why don't you focus the ones that are most important? No. The great irony for those that have been spending a lotta time with your kids last years of high school, they went nothing to do with their dad is interesting. So they inspired me to do that and so not being fulltime operational they would disagree like visiting thirty six goals applying getting. And then deciding of the new fumbled manage. I this 'cause process it's easy if you just do it yourself but then said, what do I want to do with my time and they wanted to make sure I was out of their hair frequently and so being an investor advisor venture capitalist. I gives me the freedom to spend time with companies on their time in mine and be helpful and so I would say they've influenced be the most of that decision. Awesome and last one for you. One piece of advice for people who want to have. A career in ops similar to the one that you've got. So much ops now can get relegated to installing bit when I called the go to market stacked. Whether it's draft or hubs bought or salesforce outreach like it's like installing ten or fifteen tools, and we put a lot of tech at play is part of the obstacle right? We're supposed to automate process. And I would start. I would tell off people start first with. What are the? What are the three to five questions for trying to answer and if we had an answer for it, we'd know at levers to pull and that should guide. Your all that should guide the tools that you buy that should guide the metrics that you're looking at. that should guide the slides that you prepare for the board each week, start their first and work back from there. I'm often what I see as people have created a jumpy jumping mass, there's all these processes, tools and APPs and no one actually can understand what the actual question is. Right so so much of what we talked to the last year had nothing to do with technology over the last hour. was about like how do we measure business? How do we know what we're doing optimize around it? Okay. Then let me go put the processes. And stuff in place the other advice I would have from an OPS perspective is there is no one defined ops roll. The one at salesforce that we defined, whatever it took to make sales to receive vehicle. So it actually included not only sales planning sales, strategy pricing and packaging included product field parking included competitive on top of all administrator data cleaning and the rest of it, which was and included training to make sure I understood Nali planning model but we were executing a how are we assisting what was the sales process coming up with and then what was the set of material we were assisting in analyzing the sales teams with but you know there isn't one defined role from an OPS perspective I define it as the guiding force that creates repeatability at scale. In achieving of the company's ACV and then at some point retention metrics. That's it. That's all we for today a huge thanks to bret for stopping by and dropping so much knowledge on us. In this episode, if you want to hear more from Brett, he's published a series of Lincoln articles about go to market and planning out your sales stages that are super helpful in very relevant to the conversation that we just had check those out also stay tuned for future episodes where we're actually in talk to some folks who at salesforce just after Brett left and talk about how planning and putting together an annual plan changed after Brett left when you're dealing with forty five, hundred reps stick. Around for future episodes with those interviews and last but not least, thank you to all of you for tuning in really appreciate all the feedback on the support since the show has launched. If you have ideas of things he wants to cover you have guests wants to have on, please please please reach out. Shula Link Message Tweet at me send me your feedback. 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Goodnight to the 2020 Dallas Cowboys

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Goodnight to the 2020 Dallas Cowboys

"Dolph back to throw. Nobody's opened he slides to his lock. Now he side on to the end zone and it's intercepted by the giants tried to extend the play. I try to just throw it up. Give give somebody chance. Yeah hindsight. I wish i wouldn't have done that. Just don't it. away. Steve lomas here. Can you tell in in hindsight expression. Somebody told me years ago about christmas christmas. What's that if ands and buts were candy and nuts. Every day would be christmas. You know now. Twenty twenty is literally hindsight. It has gosh. I i have been here for thirty four coming up on thirty five years. That's a lotta cowboys football to why that is. That's the highs and there were some for those of you listening right but there have been a lot more low snow than highs and this year was when dak prescott went down Was it. We kissed the season goodbye. We such great expectations a year ago. His he's a lot more worthy now. He can ask for more money. Well he's he's probably most people think he will get to franchise tag so ed this when Do this accounting amy. He's at thirty two right. Now is the franchise that number will jump to like thirty nine. He's editor the reason i'm asking because of With the the loss in in profits for the nfl and the nfl teams. that they're talking about Putting your lowering the cap okay. So he's thirty five million power ever. That's still offered him a hundred million. That's still a good name while they're not gonna do that now because they're worried about this they wanna make sure he's one hundred percent right before they give all the money right. I thought things would be different with mike mccarthy. Somebody pointed out a few weeks ago. That wouldn't it. Be ironic if jason garrett for years it seemed like it came down to that final sunday of the season right and he some how would blow it and let's season would go down the toilet there. Jason garrett was yesterday on the other side screwing up the cowboys the cowboy tweeted. Something really funny yesterday was the. I'm going to try and find the continue. I thought things would be different for mike mccarthy. He probably thought things would be different. He had a year often. He comes back but no quarterback to lead his team and it just went out. It's disappointing that we didn't come out here today with the win You know there's there's struggles during the course of the game but gosh fought all the way down to the end. I'm you know i'm disappointed. Frame i think like all of us to a man we we. We felt confident coming in here that we'd be able to come out of here today with with the victor now. Does it make you feel better. That even if they would've won the game washington one last night so wouldn't have made any difference if they're still sitting at home and washington is going to be sitting at home in two weeks. It'd be probably next. Haven't seen the skull could be by next saturday now. Yeah yeah yeah. I thought it was two weeks off. They're they're they're going to be finished. I found the tweet from desmond. Pernell he said. Yet another season jason garrett has taken the dallas cowboys out of playoff contention there. There you go there you go. Zeke elliott didn't help now. You're going to go hand strain. you're gonna go quad. Whatever you wanna say. Fourteen carries forty two yards. You cannot hurt. Don't get on the field. I agree with that. You cannot minimize the the severity of of the injuries that the the cowboys have suffered this year and it's fine to say all teams have injuries. But you don't lose three all pros from the from the offensive line. Most well they did. Yeah it's the curse of. I don't know what the is from twenty twenty. Whatever way i watched most of that game. But i don't have no idea what the final score was. He either quick. They fell behind the way. It was typical cowboys football falling behind early and they had to play. Catch up twenty three to nineteen. If you had money bet on the game and you were trying to cover this spread Here's the veteran on defense shawn lane. It's heartbreaking and stuff proud of how hard we down the stretch here and it's one of those things where you have a lot of hope you come into this game thinking get done yeah. We felt a little short. But i'm still proud proud of the group and and look playing with them. I think you'll see him coach in one day Once once he's out as a player might not be a bad guy for the cowboys to consider as a defensive coordinator. Mike nolan is not expected to return. and other changes will take place on the staff as well if kelly moore is going to stay Kellen moore has signed a three year. Deal so turning down Boise state which is where he was. So successful plane is college football and now they have the tenth draft pick for twenty twenty one but has that been determined is that already pecking order. They're all right. that's that's it. It probably won't have andy dalton back. I don't think he he's not ready to be a backup in the nfl. He kinda got not flying around. He's not good enough to lead the team on a daily on a weekly basis. But he's a good backup. Oh he's a great back until he threw that interception now mccarthy's getting Did about not questioning the play. Where one of the giants receivers made a catch but everybody said no. That wasn't a him if he would the heat throwing the challenge flag but mccarthy said they didn't have enough information and they had the three timeouts left. They were looking at that. So there were a lot of people Kind of beaten up on mccarthy yesterday jalen smith i up the linebacker along with lee. Leighton vander esch This season let's come up short. It hurts no one likes losing. It's been a long season and and and and for us. We didn't get the job done so we're not satisfied at all. I'm not six and ten is where they end up for their season already. And that's at By the way the philadelphia coach said last night. Doug peterson that he was coaching to win. That game they weren't throwing in the towel but they didn't have anything to play for him though. Now we get ready for the nfl playoffs minus the dallas cowboys. One more year when we're around amazing that we made it through the season. I'm amazed by that that the nfl got through an entire season. While it's not over yet you know the beginning just thinking okay. This can't go past five games right with what we saw in college football. Yeah speaking and that's the big news in college football Over the weekend. If you didn't hear tom herman let go. By the texas longhorns. Yeah after looked like he was gonna keep his job so he walks away. They'll have write him a check for little over sixteen million. 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"This episode of beyond is brought to you by for him Stott com. F O R H I M S dot com. Not. Beyond beyond man. It's nice to hear you say that beyond an Hello everyone. My name is John dormer. Shame your host for this episode beyond episode five hundred sixty four I am joined by. Yeah. It's going almighty joined by a big fan of the show from back in the big beyond one hundred Greg Miller. Hey, how you kind of funny, and formerly of beyond of course, in Jan how how're you doing great. I'm great. How are you? I'm doing graduations getting to be the host the podcast. Thank you so much why invited myself on wait a second new full-time host. I gotta come in. Exactly see how Betty is. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. See Chris Roper when you hosts this show a day in your life. No. But I liked him so much. No. Thank you. All right Rover. What seems like a good guy. Greg first of all you so much for being on the show coming on as we've had a little bit of this changing of the guard. I've mentioned the show a lot, and I've mentioned to you. I listen to be on since day one. So it is an honor to have the good in the bed. Do when it was who when we had years and years and years and years ago Brian into Horon when he got hired as community manager. He saw that the other day. Yeah. When the Spiderman release stuff it just happened fan. Tweeden me and was like, hey league. It's crazy. I just heard the spoiler cash with you guys and Brian on kind of funny. And then I went back, and I was listening to my beyond archive for my Jeannin ran into his I don't remember ever any sent me the MP three and it's like early. It's me, it's Roper. It's Jeff it's commence already left in like that's the past. And I listen to this show. And I'm like, why did anyone listen to show the like minute and a half is all the same beyond over and over again voices, and it was just like a minute and a half and who had this much time back then of you guys could record for. Like two hours, and I would listen happily from time. Thank you, whatever reason Napoli. But no. And I still obviously listen to a lot of and watch great kind of funny stuff today. How are things going over kind of funny? Other great. No. I mean, it's just like you guys. You know, here we are leading into the holiday rush every games coming out. And we're all stressed out. Trying to play them all on top of now, it's you know, the added thing of running the business and having employees, and then we decided to throw a showcase and making it easier on yourself wine showcase. They used to be nice and quiet right after black Friday. Now, we decided that wasn't good enough earth. Yeah. I I love that. You guys are doing that. And I do definitely want to talk about it a little show. I think that is fun way to we've talked a little bit about the not having a PS X this year and have that thing especially to celebrate a lot of the indie devs who won't have that spotlight on him. Yeah. Hundred is an awesome thing to be doing the community. We do. Of course, have a ton of PlayStation stuff to talk about this week as well. Do we still talk about a little bit every now? And then the first thing I want to jump into a recent PlayStation blog post about the next wave of PS four games. They talked a little bit about I don't know how to pronounce it derosena. Trust me. You do not want to go to view. I remember the show. Okay. Why we have that coming? We have everybody's golfie. The are coming out. Wait, I'm Shannon. Wait. We also will have concrete genie coming and read cannot wait cannot ways that press release. Also that blog post also revealed the day's gone has been delayed to April twenty six out of the very busy February twenty. What a clever way to package. All these first four days. Yeah. Well, so first of all about that delay a little bit. I personally, I think the delays just a smart business sense of like that day is already packed as could be one hundred percent. And why put out a game that I think like PlayStation audience you've seen some excitement from. But I think compared to something like the last of us are strengthening a more tempered, even what it be coming out against competition wise and foam like there's more excitement for anthem than days. Go division two's a couple of weeks later. There's more excitement for division to crack down. I don't know what the excitement level is. But there's a lot of interest. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. I think it's supposed to be playable later this year. So when very curious to see. Very curious to see that. I think it's probably the best thing that could happen for percent, especially we haven't seen out of the game in for recover this year. We haven't really seen a ton from it. Did you play any three hundred? No actually didn't get to play. I played a judge leading up to three. And I know I'm Greg Miller, you know, PlayStation, Sony, pony. And all that, of course. But like I was on fan too. And almost and I know Sam I know Sony Bannon beyond fan, I should be all in on the game. But when they when they did the, you know, the showcases they had done before of just showing at e three here's the trailer. It was like, okay. It's his ambi- game. What separates? I don't really get it playing. It was like, oh, you know, what like this world seems like want to free roam in this. You know, I was riding the motorcycle insurance fighting the tweezers, whatever. But then going in I was driving, and I saw his line across the road and thought it was like a glitch. So I stopped, but it wasn't. It was a trip wire. And then these dudes ran at me, and I killed them. And then ran it was like, oh, this is a world letting that's the best thing. Never say for an open world game. Is that I just wanna walk in that direction. Yeah. What am I going to find? If I wander off in that direction. It seems like an obviously there is that three conference a couple years ago where they had the two showcases where like ended began days gone. I feel like it is a game that doesn't probably demo as well as it will be to play five hours of it. And that's gonna be the big thing is like playing and talking to people who played it. We were all like, oh, you know, what that was cool. That's the way I think that's got a spread not organically. But it needs to be spread. And it's not gonna spread if it's if it's surrounded by everything else. Trying to exactly twenty second. Yeah. We could say, oh, there's the surprisingly deep emotional story that we love in the amazing things to explore on this world. And people will be like. Yeah. But I can be ironman, right? Yeah. Exactly it fly in and go right underwater. Pretty cool. Yeah. So I understand the reasons for moving it. Shot to them for being honest about their blog post was like, hey, you know, we we would have been on time. But it's a crowded date in we're going to push to give more time to polish, but also because we don't wanna compete on that level, and we want this thing to have a shot. Yeah. I love we're seeing that more and more of just game companies being honest of the realities of working this business, and I think it's all for the better generally in the messaging all these things, and I feel like that's a PlayStation. We haven't seen the while they having maybe name changes might be the most recent example, outside of this. But before then there was concern of did we see the hubris of the PlayStation two air that led to the downturn in PS three launch coming around and PlayStation four because PlayStation, four launches and Sony's hungry, and they get it. We're machine for gamers, and we're gonna talk straight to you as a gamer. I'm Mark Cerny. This is Adam boys that shoe, that's. Lorcy? This isn't that? Everything they right to you. And then we've seen three go back to being. Hey, I'm Shawn lane. Here's much. Awesome trailers amazing things you wanna see now putting the human face fronts. It's definitely been more about the games. And don't get me wrong. Those games deserve the spotlight when you're able to have that human connection. I think it engages the audience so much more. The thing we struggle with in the game industry is reminding people that yet humans are behind all of this. Yes. So yeah, it's easy to hate the the big PlayStation brand or the corporation, whether it be Microsoft, XBox intendo. But actually have a person attached to that's helpful. And it's a great when you need to blame. Someone shared have that person right there, of course, right to Twitter. Exactly. It's a wonderful place. But also wanted to talk about some of those games that are coming up in it. I think I haven't gotten to play place. I was curious your thoughts on concrete genie, especially because it was at its first prominent showing was at that that you are a part of everything how do you feel about this game? Because I feel like it's a little bit under the radar the radar. And I think just looking at it. Right. You can see why. Yes, it's it's a funky artsy game, which PlayStation, I think in the used to be known for right? That was the bread and butter in a lotta ways in something. You don't see as much anymore in PlayStation for I'm fascinated by it. I think it looks really cool when you talk to them about it. It's. Deeper than what they've shown exciting. Look like, okay. I get it like basic problem solving the monster on the wall in the monsters gonna let me advance the next station. They say there's more of it the developers. So I'm interested in work with a guy named coup, Greg. He's very interested in he'll be giving you all sorts of takes on it. But it seems like a chill game right and expect from his team. Yeah. I'm excited for I hope they put it out at a time when it can be given a chance we don't have official release date that they ring and went in spring is not new video game industry. When in spring is not going to be crowded. Yeah. I honestly, I think pushing it a little bit even toward the summer would be a good idea of mortgage. You'd have a good time for it. I and we're also seeing we've seen a continued push more and more than I do want to get your thoughts on this. Because there is a dedicated beyond group who loves PlayStation VR. Yes, I've I've been a recent convert of sort of going full time into it. I played with it occasionally here and there and just like the recent string of games I've been playing like playing firewall attribute is incredible and dip. Dipping into these games and more coming. I love the episodes. They're giving it and have you tried out derosena or everybody's golfing VR. I haven't under seen a in. Then everybody's golf VR. Has it had a showing we've been around. I'm sure it was I wanna say it was at that show. Yeah. I would've loved him play that something else. So no, I haven't done it. But I'm a huge believer in PlayStation VR. I've been so happy with the PlayStation VR roll out so far because you know, being twelve years in the industry covering PlayStation, the whole time I'm used to seeing and be like, hey, it's PlayStation move. All right. We're fading away from it vita like they give it for a little bit. And then go away. And I think PlayStation VR is one of the best message devices slash hardware, ever put out where they did the rounds. And it was hey, everybody. We believe in this tech, except it's Jen one. And that's like right now, we're in the place they should wear that would be like us launching PS one right now. So if you're going to buy it, you need to believe in it and understood. Sand where we're at and where we wanna go with what your help could do. And when they said that off it and not do it. Yeah. They didn't. And then on top of that the audience that bought it believed the message. Yes, it's funny to be talking about beyond. Right. I remember when we started beyond we started during the PlayStation three era, and it was when XBox was running shot. All every PlayStation decision was terrible. So you had this hardcore community that was like, hey, I love PlayStation. I love that. He's mistake. And so right now in the PlayStation ecosystem, I feel like that's PlayStation VR where when you go to the PS VR sub read it, right? It's people every day coming on and be like I joined the club. I bought it. I'm super stoked and it's people being excited. And I'm not saying that doesn't exist everywhere else in video games, but it is like a pretty purely positive place. And it is also like in granted, I think some of that's, you know, the community of beyond the community of kind of funny that we've we all champion. No be a good person be best friend tell developers that you love them. Right. But on the VR. Sub Reddit you have people telling developers developers coming in and talking straight to the community like in the same way. Vida had a small, quote, unquote, install base, but very dedicated install base. It's the same thing you hear like people who buy PlayStation VR by places should be our games. And so the fact that Sony sees that, and I would say a lot of ways even compared to Oculus and HD see haven't backed off. Right. They maybe they didn't do like pedal to the metal Oculus did when they were first getting going, and we're going to be the next big. Yeah. They've been consistent steady. And I think that pays off in the while. You're still seeing great stuff come out and let alone tetris effect this year. The year of PlayStation, VR isn't even done is pretty incredible to what they have still coming up like you were saying, and I think this said around the second aniversary announcements or when they announced they hit a certain sales goal. They talked about and the attach rate is essentially six to one is so unheard of these days. Yeah. Every person who's buying is buying. I was talking to on of funny gaily, but I was bringing up the phone. Conversation about like why this one multiplayer game. Or why this oh, what is the place? Playstation should be game. They just now borderlands multiplayer. And I was like that's such a weird move. My coast was like, well, you know, it's VR game. What's the installation? I'm like I would have bought that kind of up until firewall like firewall. I've never gave you get on. And everybody's excited to play even rec room. I when I played Reverend with people or when I play record. I'd find people to play with sprint vector, another great one. Yeah. If feels like the borderlands thing may be. Yeah. I don't know if it's technical limitations are worries or what? But it was an interesting choice to see especially for a game. That is so coop. Yes. And I would imagine for borderlands. It was just what we want to put into based on what we're and get out of it like running a server worrying about online lag infrastructure, yada, yada, yada. It's probably easier to to make the game for VR and put it out that there's so much more to it than just yet. But everyone can play. Yeah. There's there's a difficult there. I do love seeing. I'm here for you. What are do you think makes great VR? Our experience one for yourself. But one that you can also show people to make into this because we're seeing things like tetris effect coming derosena. It looks like it's not going to be too heavy on the game play mechanics. I think it would be something you could probably get someone less familiar with games. And sure what do you think makes that? I mean, what makes a good place a good VR game. Right. And I can only really speak for position VR is right now taking the experience you already know in just tweaking it slightly, right? Like, what do you think of standouts recently? Right moss. When I asked her about, right? And these are games that you're still using the traditional controller. It's what you know. But your field of you, right? Leaning into a scene in looking around. You know, an astronaut or moss standing up and looking a little bit over there and finding the collectible like that's cool and easier to wrap your head around. Then, hey, I'm like in a rise of the tomb raider. Hey now, you can explore Croft manner. And I was like awesome. When I put on music Carson. Okay. This feel so weird taking a game for these baby steps were still making VR taking a game people understand. But then twisting just enough where they go. Oh my gosh. I couldn't do this without VR. That's red. Yeah. And then the experienced games of terms of what to show people. That's I think what you've seen already experienced games where it is. Like, I, you know, my friend PO was in town on my showed my mom when gen nights friends in town. It was like oh my gosh. All right. Mom, try Batman. All right. We're gonna do a diner duo VR together. Right. One person cooks and one person delivers now we're doing super hot like these are the games you jump in. People are sweating and they're like, oh my gosh. This is so crazy and amazing. But they don't wanna necessarily do for eight hours. Totally sit there for an entire afternoon. Play astronaut and be fine. Yeah. Super hot is that one run events. Like, all right. I'm gonna need a break. Yeah. I yeah. My girlfriend. She does not love VR. She gets motion sick very easily from it just has never really wanted to get into it. But when I was playing astronaut she's like fine to the headset and disappear for an hour or two. But she was immediately. No, you're missing the thing over this using their watching. She didn't wanna put on the headset. But she was invested in like, oh, this is unique wit sort of for my wife is complete opposite experience where I put it on like go ahead and do it. And then it was like, oh my God put on headphones. These astronauts, the most annoying. Oh, yes, sir. Sorry understand. Yeah. She definitely made me put on headphones eventually. But at least she was interested in I. Exactly, they talked about in this blog post about how sort of this is the next wave. This is essentially looking for in my mind, everything before three next year. You're like the biggest they can confirm. We're going to happen. We don't really know when the dreams beta will truly be at this point if well what it was supposed to be two summers ago. We've originally Andrew Goldfarb, and I keep looking every time we write about dreams of how many dreams beta announced in delayed posts have they rarely delay them. We're gonna do this summer. Kind of goes away. Yeah. It's it's a very weird thing. But I hope we eventually see more of that sometime early next year to been having a huge reveal of it from the game informer cover right now cure Seymour that microphone for you is what do you think this means for the other big PlayStation worldwide studios games that oh sure for. So last bus goes to Shema de-stressing is not a worldwide studios game. But obviously, it's sort of big temple. But at least for those first two, what do you think this means for their release wise, where we I think it I stand by Ivan saying last of us is going to be a ways out, and I know I always get back rush. Whenever talk about it. 'cause people want to believe, and I wanna believe it to I'll take possibly give it to me, Mr. Druckman. But I mean, I feel like it's got to be twenty twenty at the earliest, right? And that's where I've always kind of and saying I think it's gonna shake out but to have days gone push deeper at April. I'm not so many people like two games in the year. It's like well one of them's last of us. But I also feel like well one of them being last of steps on the tail this game would possibly have going into the holidays. So why would you do that? Maybe spring twenty twenty even then you've distanced yourself far enough away from ghosts Shimazu. Great question. I'd love to believe that one's a fall game next year. But I really do feel you see it. Right. Playstations totally in this one. It's done. It's done. We're not gonna rush. She we're not gonna do it. And I think. Gosta shema. I'm ready to play. That's the biggest thing about it. Right. Where I think we've seen cool demos. I want you probably behind closed doors at three and eight FOX paused. A and spun it in the Bryans talking about stuff, all that's RAD. But I'm ready to hold it and see what it actually controls and feels like I don't even know how many more times they want to show that you'd think a big one more time he three hopefully. Yeah, I want that to be game where we see it for four conferences. Exactly ruin sort of the mystery of what that could be hundreds. I think it's interesting seeing there's been like a lot of people being like are we going to see these as cross generational game? Yeah. Comes out of the Talon probably also on whatever the PS five is I think will likely get the case of that. I agree with you. I hadn't really thought about it. But you having the last of us in the same years days gone, which just be unfair to kind of make any and that's the struggle, especially with them making this decision right now. Right where they're like listen days gone, and they didn't in so many words can't compete with these other games were it's a new IP, we're gaining ground. We're doing this stuff that I think they understand that in the same breath of not wanting to compete with themselves. Total do feel like there's the spook tackler Salen PSN right now if you were to if we jump ahead to next year day's gone there thirty five dollars. I think most people are like, oh, yeah. I heard good things about but if it's thirty five dollars but last comes out in two weeks. No or it came out two weeks ago. No, yeah. Why do that? I think and I really liked point of them being willing to say like, we'll wait till it's ready, and that's what will come out because I feel like in the beginning of this year. We got burned a couple times where they didn't really have big fall releases that were first party. They often would say something like four was coming in the fall, and then to the spring there just doesn't seem to be a reason to have games have announced release dates and then have them keep slipping and. Remember, you know being this table talking about stuff, right? And it was like as you'd get closer and closer. And it was things would start falling. You're like man, they're screwing up. I can't believe in it. Just didn't matter. They kept succeeding they kept selling units. And it became a thing of oh, we're not in the same place. We were where the logic of we need to catch up. Let's put out great games stuff. It is like no people are buying PlayStations, regardless of Sony's putting out there excited when they do obviously Spiderman God of war. It's been a banner year this year for it. But it doesn't need to be that came this fall. Let the third parties in you know, all your partners competed the fall in worry about that. And they've seen great sales success in the spring. So it's never really been initial everything so overloaded now, right? Is remember back in the day when it was dying life lights coming on January dumb move. I would that game. Then we got there. Everybody was like I wanna new game. I've played all my Christmas releases my holiday releases. I want something new, and then it was like every woke up to the fact of like, wait if you put something out in the spring, people are starving contact, right? And they seen it with resin diva. Horizon. In monster games. That are just I think monitor particular right game that I loved and I reviewed for I she in back in the day. And I was like I'm kinda monster hundred out but to get to that point. And have everyone talking about it and to jump in one hundred thirty five hours later. I was like goes great game. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's I think it's a really smart thing. And we're seeing continue even into next year with January being both kingdom hearts three NRA to. It's I think turn we're going to keep seeing too. Yeah. That's another great fit right of you. You talk about. I mean, if they don't screwed up going to be a great game. Yeah. So it's already got. Hey, I'm hardcore fan who's been waiting for this forever. Britney Brom rocker good game. And then it's also people who like, oh like me. I tried to I should have loved resonable to PS one. Right. I'm zombies or my favorite horror movie. I I was down for that thing. I got into this. Ooh, take controls. I can't do it. I can't handle it. Right. So I'm excited on that level. And then you have I'm sure a bunch of young kids who don't listen to me who are coming in. And being like I've heard so many good things about resin evil to. I've never seen it or played it. I want to jump in. Yeah. I missed R E to back when it first came out and have been hit or miss with the resin evil franchise, but seven really reinvigorated me into what the what I can be excited about. Yeah. I I think I played code Veronica, and then a little bit of five maybe I played before obviously. But like I wasn't into any of them. And then seven dude in PlayStation VR. I was like this is insane. It's crazy. Yeah. 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I think they're going to delay ups episode to to a little bit later, then have just because of I think they'll get some feedback from people who like things about the first high steals people may have criticism. Of it. And they wanna make what I think fans really want. And maybe just I don't know how it is easy to turn around deal month. Seems just crazy to me. And so I would rather them say, hey, we're going to delay it week or two just to make sure it's perfect. So I would rather them do that. I don't know if they will. I was surprised with this one. I thought they would lay this you're in red dead week and granted you're before red dead. But still, especially when I guess, this isn't a great example. But how last week just put out in new game? Plus in like, the new difficulty in the new trophies. Oh, man. That's great. I thought you would spaced out more put them together to make one package, but I guess to press speeds out of it. It's just a really good time to check back into the game. Hunter percents platinum did a while back. A I checked in last night. What a heartbreak to check back into because just like, wait. How do I do anything? Yeah. Trying to fight like since. Fight like since. How do I run? I'm hitting arthritis L all my gadgets were wasted. In the first. Skinny violent. I just web blossomed everybody. Right. That's what that does not got back. So we're going to try to stay at least story wise spoiler free as possible for the deal. See because as you're listening. It's available, but you may have not jumped through the full story yet. But this is the first three chapters like I mentioned focuses on the introduction of black cat. What we've been joking about in the text before this deal came out. It's like black cats back in town as if she was ever there at first wasn't you didn't mission. She was she left. She was in round. She once at one point. But anyway, so this deal focuses on her reintroduction into specimens world, and what sort of transcends after that don't want to say too much about the story. But I did wanna get through your general impressions about what you've experienced the deal. See so far, and what you feel like does it is it what you wanted at of Spiderman deal. See is. It says fine. Yousef are what you've played was. Yeah. So far, so good. Give me what I want. We're talking about this before the show started. I haven't beaten the story section of it. We I have much more pretty close to that was the thing is I was just running mother-in-law was in town million things happening. But for me. Yes, it's what I wanted of. Hey, here's a contain story jump on an here's some new side missions, your some new crimes. Here's a like. Okay. Like great. This is all I want is more from this game. All it's that rare thing that I platinum bit. And I was and it was then I platinum to put it away. And then it was like, oh, wait. No, the if you go and finish off the secret. Otas. You get the something else to do. And then like a game. I'm never going to delete because I just wanna website. Yeah. So to web swing and have new goals to in new things to do in new internet challenges. Yes. Yes. Great. And then on top of that the storyline. They're giving us is interesting and is good. So far for me. You know what I mean? And they are playing with exactly what you know. Bill Roseman always talks about when he talks about why insomniacs pick and what they're bringing to this. Is that ever great? Spiderman story right has stakes for Spiderman stakes for Peter. So to see Peter juggling, black cat and MJ. Right. And having to talk to them about is like, that's great. And then like some of the story twist. They take you on in like the situations. They put him in a lesser video game would've brought her in. All right. This is why doing it? All right, cool. You never have a great character moment between them all. But the way they're doing it. It's like man, I'm interested for the story. I want I soon as we're done. It's back home get on four and finish it off. Because I I want to know how this episode end. Yeah. I think it's really cool in the way that they. They're leaning into what worked so well in the base game. And it was performances everything year alone. Fall. And Laura Bailey are still so good as Spidey, and I'm Jay hundred chemistry between the two of them. Those characters is just one of my faith. And then the fact that I was trying to not say the fact that always say the fact that I know beyond fans a high school teach English teacher who said never use the fact that in your writing aid, trust me talk all the time. So it's different. Yeah. Exactly. You wanna talk about two voice actors getting lost in the rule where it is. That thing I pride myself on I'll be playing a game. And no one will pop up Troyer Travis. And I'm like oh there. They are Travis in this game right kingpin. I'm like oh. And I don't mean like heck, I mean, I just know that was my friends, and like I can't I don't see your. I've I've known for years and talk to them for a time, Laura. Most of the time a here in a game. And I'm like, oh, it's Laura Bailey. Even like when Nate originally popped up. Laura bailey. But like this one I remember playing it I and then they just are who they are. They are those characters such an amazing way to play this game. And it's nice to this feels to me like my biggest issue. I guess within is just that it is to an extent slight in that. It definitely feels like the first of three parts. And so for me, I'm writing the review right now. And it's that weird thing of like, I had a great fun night with this thing. Yeah. And but I almost would say if you want to really have the full experience, he probably wanna wait for episodes two and three fully get the the grasp of this deal CPAC, but what if it so stick with me for the fashion doesn't does black cat story in here. Or no is this is two and three very much about her still. I would say, okay. I don't think this is the end of black cats involvement in this world, do I do I get a an parentheses on the story that they started here a little bit. Yeah. A few of the big questions you kind of get answers to. But. Yeah. There are things left hanging for sure. And it. Is that thing of it? Feels like the first issue in a comic arc and I really liked that. That up from Greg on them. It is that thing though of I think every new idea is great. And I wish they use them a little bit more the only thing, but it is the first of three DLC episodes. They'll use them more in the first mission of the game. This isn't really huge story. If you're watching the video version of the show, you can see that there's like a crowd control mechanic at one point we have to prevent people from scaping. Nice twist on like, oh, I don't have to just beat up these ten guys make sure that guy doesn't get to a hundred percent that was like that went too. But yeah, I like ideas like that. I just wish there was more involvement in them in the deal. I guess because I think the strongest parts of the base Spiderman for me were the story in the characters and obviously the swing but there aren't necessarily new abilities in the steel see. And so the swinging that you're familiar with his still that great swing? Yeah. But I hear you. But like for me that was the it was like returning to it. Right. Especially today playing again where I actually got back in the swing of it. Yeah. But where did all feel natural again? And I was are one in L one web zipping things springing off and going it was like whole, right? Everything works here. It's feels great. It feels so nice to be back in that group. Absolutely. I it just was one of those things where I'm like, I see them trying new things in almost every other aspect, and I was like what if he had a new gadget or some shit. But I understand like one they made this deal. See in such a crazy turnaround can't even fathom it. For what it is. But to. Yeah, I can understand how that me break the base game. So just threw a new gadget. Yeah. For me. I think it's just the fact of hey, guess what you're back in the world. And you're in New York here are the new different side missions little crimes. Do. That's what I wanted was for it instances you into a new version of New York. It's the same New York, but you only can really focus on the deal see objective save for like backpacks and landmark so as to be able to have that it's still an open world, but you're still sort of focused on what this new you can only play it when you beat the game. Right. So I haven't tried it on a new save. I'm going to do that actually later when I when I started it in some of the conversations Pete, and I'm Jay we're having. I was like, oh, this is like very safe, you know, that way they don't cross over. And then I forget what it was before. I left. It was like, oh, I think you would only if you beat the game it dips into the way that I think of the character relationships at the end of the game and the revelations at the end of that game play into a lot of the incidental dialogue. Yes, I went through this. And so I pretty much like if you have not beat the main campaign, I would not jump into this because you probably will have a few things spoiled for you it very much feels like the intention is beaten the story. We're continuing spider-man's life with something that is not earth shattering main story. I remember what it is. This is definitely after this is definitely it is. Yeah, they they definitely hinted is trying to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to be nice for the kids. I'm letting you know definite. Definite. Definite definite. So he beat yesterday. Just come on wait for the game of the year dish with everything bundled it. I get it. Yeah. But we'll probably get that. I assume it'd be hard to do because the third DLC comes out in December. So but I'm excited. The fact that we have two more Spiderman mini campaigns percents through the rest of the very fun to see that. Obviously, though, if you finish the Spiderman deal see as you mentioned before there's a sale of the dead going on the PlayStation their in store right now. And so maybe finish the deal. Need more other things to play in spooky mood mood. So I thought we'd give news go snooze. Oh god. That's bringing back a lot of memories just as a listener who actually experienced memory. So why am I saying that I thought we'd give just a couple of recommendations for people looking share stuff on the store? I'll start with one of mine, and then jumped to you one of my first ones is so Ma which took me really by surprise. I think what affected me the most about this game. And I don't want to say too much because if you jump into it a lot of it is uncovering the mystery of this world in your character and everything just the the nail this atmosphere of just this constant dread and uncertainty about what you're going to encounter in the next room. And it's a first person sort of puzzled walking simulator game where you're going through this station that you don't really understand the full breath of until you get further and further in you get to learn so much about who you're playing as but also what this world is. And it one scare the hell out of me like multiple times just some of the encounters. You have in that world and just creeping into a place in thinking something's going to probably try to kill you share. And whether or not it actually does is part of the mystery. But yeah. This game just rocked me. And I I played it over I think two or three nights when it first came out, and I did not expect it going, but it became one of my favorite games of that here. You're coming out. But yeah, that that is stuck with me as one of those games. Oh now, I need to watch out for what this developer does next. Oh, one of those guys. That's always great. When something put somebody on the map on your radar. And it wasn't like they were known as the developers of 'em nesia. So it's not like they were unheard of guys struggling company. You're never. Yeah. But one Kickstarter away. I stay away from spooky things a lot of the time up until the last year or two it was one of those like let me indoctrinate myself into scary games. And that was sort of the first thing I did. And then it was right into that too. So. October. Yeah. That one's pretty sure right now, and I absolutely recommended if it's like told hours to beat it's not that big investment, Greg. What's something that you would recommend until dawn? Yeah. Jumped off the list for me when we were looking through. And you kick us over to me like, you know, what a game until Donna's is supermassive obviously coming out of the blocks with this for the PlayStation audience. I'll never forget the PS X where they showed this and did the lifelock through and I thought that was the one that really set the tenor of what PS X was that conference was where they played it. And they got to the first choice of does. Hey, run this way or that way and everybody screamed like even then you're like, wow, they got something here they cool here. Especially for the story of until on the development of that of. I remember seeing that years and years and years it felt like before it came out. I probably two years, but it had moved on that. I, and it was this that and it was like what is this game when they rebranded and came back, and it was this horror movie you play with all your choices in the bud. Airfli- fight. We are like I don't know what to make of this through it. You're like, oh my gosh. And then to see it. Become not only something you played through that you played through together with people and if he would throw parties, and then have the decision which leads to supermassive doing the stuff later on with hidden agenda, which was all that. And we don't talk about the other games. They didn't between there didn't like. But. Yeah, I mean until dawn it was amazing. So the fact you can get a cheap right now. It's a great Halloween game. If you haven't played I remember, you guys championing, and that was it was totally off my radar. And then the way you guys are talked about with such conviction. I should probably give this a chance. And I actually I didn't love it. When I was first playing on my own, but I did have that experience where I played with a few people, and we were all playing together in that was such a fun one of those games where you're like. Oh, a clearly I'm gonna go here, and you hit the button somebody like why would you do that? Why would you? Why would I not that conversation with each? And it's funny when you realize you're making the same mistakes that Harley character. I'm just doing the same thing. Now, I understand criticize them one of my other main picks would be what remains of Edith. Yes. That was last year that came out. I it's this sort of collection of short stories, essentially, you're another first person game last year. Yeah. Like early last year. You're going through this house and essentially exploring in microcosm the lives of a bunch of different members of family and each of those looks at those family members play differently so one as you see in the trailer, or if you've played it is you're just on a swing for the entire time. And you're getting the story through what's happening dialogue going on another takes place in bath tub. Like, they're all these different scenarios. I don't want to spoil. But I love the idea. Like, I'm someone who's very obsessed with my own family history. And understanding what these people were like and getting to know about them. And so the idea that you're learning about this family through the experience of their lives directly. But it's one of those games who've you're not one hundred percents. Sure what you're doing while you're doing it. Like, a why am I doing this? And what's happening, and how do I play into the story? Yes. And it's it's fun to see that mystery uncover and not every story in the collection. I think works really well necessarily a couple of kind of duds, but they try different genres like one this sort of in the van of a slasher film and gets told with comic book, panels and stuff. Then another is just like, this heartfelt single. Look at a character. You're you can't really move outside of their location than another sort of in this weird dream state. It's beautiful. I love that game for sure giants Baracoa towns. Yes. Play unfinished one for unfinished one is. So great still. And then Greg what's another choice from you wanna put on there? We talked a little bit about Rozelle seven seven when I saw it when you're looking at what's agreed Halloween game. Or what's great spooky game you go through there. And you see you resonate. I got put that on there. Because again, it was I played half of it. And my campaign had half of it in VR and the other half out of it. And it was great both ways. And that was the big question of you know, I felt like they said it's gonna be all PlayStation, VR young. All right. I remember putting it on in that first opening segment when you look down like the screen door, really bad on the leaves. Oh god. And then, you know, hours later, I took it off in the room was pitch black because I started the day, and I was just sitting in an empty room. And it's like, wow, this is an amazingly scary reinvention of resident evil that. I think does it in such a smart way of. Cutting so much of the fat off of this game. That has just got like what's the lore who who's going on where here's a story that you can get behind. Right. You're going there. You wanna find your wife? You have this weird message from or you go back, and you try to do it in this house. It's full of creeps full scares. Yeah. It break it brings the scale down of the franchise after kept ballooning ending and makes it so much for human too. Especially like you said with this family at the beginning. And they're just gross, but they are a family of people. So it's like, oh the threat right now is very familiar in the sense of oh, these are just people right now that have yet. And then as grows obviously, it gets more and more by that point like unlocked in the it wasn't always going to be expect. You also have another suggestion. I put on here special shot Elliot's gentleman coffin dodgers, ladies and gentlemen. Would you like a platinum trophy in two hours? I would often dodgers is the game for you knocking platinums a lot fast than. Yeah. We need to talk about that. So the thing about right now. I remember listening all the time. Your love of trophies. Sure is why I bought a PS three back in the day. And I got so into trophies during that hour that that was how I decided what games I would buy was what is the platinum like what are the trophy is? And there is a just a dearth of people in this office. No, one cares about trophies monsters. Forgot what I mean. It's it's what matters really it is. What matters you don't even play the game got banned trophy. Don't care. What's read trophy is a bad? Don't do that's going to be Al Gore. Playstations really nailed recently trophyless without horns Spiderman. Yes, they are they're achieving, but they are still really fun platinum's. Why can't wait to see naughty screwed up? The last part to what monster trophy put on this time to play the online multiplayer for seven hundred dollars. I never campaigns. Oh my God. I don't have a platinum because of that. Exactly. One of my life's greatest regrets. Yeah. No. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. God of war was a great platinum. Spiderman was a great platinum. I asked her about I haven't got yet. But here's a great book. That's one. That's my next one day's gone is another one on interest in various Jetson. Don't screw up. John garvan. Don't screw it up. You know what? I mean me too. Yeah. Jensen? You listens knows what's he knows the trophy yet? Yeah. And he should still. No, I love trophies to please give trophies until we need to so. Yeah. Those are a few of our recommendations if you need something spooky for this weekend. We'll Halloween is going on. Or if you still have to have a copy of PT downloaded just play PT. Again. I bring that out. I still have an all my PS four me too. Yeah. Before I bring that out every Halloween. Into all friends who've never played games. And just like, hey, just sit down walk through this for an hour. And see what happens. I whispered controller. Maybe we'll see what happens. Shaw's weirdly in the menu. Maybe for two hours. It's a weird thing. But yeah, if you need some recommendations for that's what we suggest coming up. We've talked a little bit about red redemption to happening this week. It's coming out if you're listening, the show comes out there has been a lot of talk, and we talked about this last week on the show of the nature of crunch in relation to read dead specifically, and then the industry at large all of this sort of really snowballing because of an interview with Dan Houser in full New Yorker, and it was a discussion about sort of the creation of redemption to and everything and there was a quote about hundred hour work weeks. He later clarified that comment saying he was only referring to four members just us on the writing just the writers. So that was held that did. But obviously it reignited in has can. Relaunch what has been a continuing conversation about crunch in the industry. And then obviously we've seen a lot more happening. We saw that rockstar allowed its employees to say talk about their work conditions publicly on Twitter, which is the thing. You don't normally hear companies announced that they're doing. And then just recently the day that we're recording. This Jason trae over Kentucky say very in-depth and very long article looking into the nature of working editions at rockstar both now and in the past because it has been sort of a recurring thing in the past rockstar games of red did redemptions really kicked it up. When there was like, the spouse letter that was put out. Yes. And then I think a lot we saw a lot with Eleonora ours. Well, yeah. So that article has come out, and I think it's painted the picture that a lot of us in the office. I Jan of talked about it of this discussion is so multifaceted in a way. Like, I think we can all agree gamers need unions. They need things that protect them. They don't deserve to be forced to work these long hours. But. There are these weird things of the nature of nature of the discussion of some people feel the pressures because if it is the four guys at the top who are angry those one thousand brothers who've working the hundred our work, you're gonna feel like, oh, maybe I should be here. Yeah. More than the hours. I'm expected to right there are anecdotes, and obviously every story is told in nitty in the story from Qatar. But a lot of people saying like yet felt like there was this pressure to be there just to be seen working down. So I mean on Saturdays to have a presence coming on Saturdays. Stay through lunch often all these things, and I just want to bring up this question because I know you've talked about it a bit on kind of funny, and we've talked about it here of just what we're seeing from this article today to and what what do you think it tells us about sort of the larger culture at rockstar in relation to country, especially in red redemption too. Man. That's a big question. Yeah. Right. No small no small one. I mean, I think it's it's ongoing struggle for everyone involved right now in terms of the games industry because that was what was at least heartening about it. When it happened is that the it wasn't vulture in Newark New yorker, whoever they're technically like same company that makes more when the house or quote got broken out of the story. Right. Which is this giant story club. Did a great piece on it. Right of like, the problem with this is the fact that they say this, and there's no follow up to it wasn't another question. Was there a PR answer? What happened? Well. Yeah. The what I like the most about it that I found faith in right? Was the fact that it got broken out and just got beaten with bats on Twitter where it was just like, no, no, no, this, isn't acceptable. This is something the champion. Don't do. This. Don't do. And you saw so many different developers talking that way about it. If like, listen, we understand that crunches thing, and it's been happening forever. But maybe our culture doesn't have to be that. And that's the biggest thing about it. And I think you see. We talk about what Jason has in his article. We've kinda funny best friend writing who works at rockstar in. He did honestly as well. And one of the things he said right was like, listen, I've never been asked to work a one hundred hour work week. I have worked sixty five or eighty. But that's and it was like as if that didn't matter five to eighty wasn't a crazy amount of work either. Yeah. And then so many people wrote into the shows talking about well, I work those hours because I love my job. And I do this are we work shaming. And it's so complex that the crux of the issue is if you want to work eighty hours a week, if you one hundred dollars if you wanna make your awesome. But it's the what we're talking about of issues force to. Yeah. And how do you not give off that vibe? And what I kept going back to Daly was I feel for them in the same thing. I like to imagine Rockstars not forcing people to work this much shit. But I do understand like the recent anecdote around the office has been. Usually we take two weeks of December off we're talking about taking just the last week off and a little bit of the first week of January. So as soon as we said that Kevin was like, oh, man. I was really looking forward to it. And I was like, oh, no no take the week off. You know, we can run a skeleton crew incomes like, well, no, I'm not going. It's like, we're a company of seven and we're way closer than any people should be bosses and employees. But the fact that I can't get one of my four employees to stay home when I'm telling him to and I have the little bit of internet power. We have think of that at a rockstar. Dan Houser is in there every Saturday working and writing hundred hours works, you're gonna be the person that walks by leave or not coming in at all like, I get that vibe. And how no matter what Email rockstar the house brothers. Whoever puts out saying listen guys, you'd have to come in this much. Don't do this p we're gonna lead by they're gonna see the example set by their leader in and replicate and go with it. Yeah. I it's also this weird systemic thing of I think just our culture in general to be workhorses. Sure guardless of we talked about a bit on the show last week of we if we're working on a crazy review. I'm not gonna say, well, it's five PM. I'm done working on the Spiderman review, even though the embargoes tomorrow. I gotta go sleep like you feel these pressures to do that because of the nature of the work. And it's something that you sign up knowing that's there. But that doesn't make it. Good or. Okay. And I saw some people like you're saying, it's okay for you guys to do that. But not them. And is that we're complex thing of nil. If there are people genuinely at rockstar who don't feel pressure to work those hours and want to make red to the best game. They can I understand that. And I don't fault them. And that's been the common thread, I feel between games media coverage in games development, right of, you know, I remember working here and being like. Yup. Last night three thirty in the morning closed out the three war room. It was mean Hillary we took off afterwards. Right. And then we came back today at seven AM to do it all over again. And there was that there's that camaraderie, and you're in the trenches together, and I never. Felt closer more. Like, that's where we all bonded. Right. Was that these late e-3 meetings in writing sessions and stuff like when Anthony was put up a frogger preview? And I just put up an image of a frog that said, it's frogger you go across the road this game that was still up for quite some time. Sure. There's in the same way on the other side of it. Right. Like, Adam boys put that tweet right of his first job in the industry. There was a whiteboard where they kept their hours, and he had like a hundred something in twenty hundred twenty will say and he was third for the week. And it's like in the same like, I remember like the first time I ever went down to San Diego and talked to Christian Phillips about the show or maybe it was Ramon or so many about show they were pointing out like this is the mattress like heat behind for like. Crunch is expected thing and people. So for a long time, it's been this I- crunches great. And now as we are at a point where it is like, okay, cool. We're not just putting out toys. You're not just an open a workshop like let's talk about mental health. Let's talk about what's actually your art. And how you're gonna get the best things. I'm glad we're having this conversation. Yes. And it's that thing of I don't think we're in the audience, and the consumer are quick necessarily to say, this is how you fix it. This is how you change. This is what you do. But it is really heartening to see so many people say don't kill yourself for this. Like get the game out. We want the game. We want the great. But we don't want you to working crazy hours Nazi your family and do all these things and then like not to take rockstar out. Then have telltale situation happen where these people kill themselves for a game. And then companies like guess what it's over we have nothing. No severance by what what was what we're all these years of working on these things in having these, you know, pouring, your, heart and soul into something. And then not. Having that out the way you wanted to. Yeah. I think excuse me. It was interesting seeing those two things happen. So close together of the telltale closure, and obviously people coming out of the woodwork and talking a lot in detail about the working conditions that they face there. And then also everything going on with this ignited by single quote, but this rockstar discussion. And I think like you were saying we on the other side of it don't know in any office situation. We're not a quip to say this is how it should be going there. I do think the most important thing we can do is keep raising conversation. Keep telling people, hey, let's discuss this. Hey, how are things going like you said it is the most heartening thing in the world one on the telltale side, everyone be like all these people are out of work. Let us all rally together to try to find them work. And then all these people with rockstar side being like, no we want ready to. But we also don't want you to die to make that an it's heartening to see that. Yeah. And it's like, it's you know, as is everything it's learning curve situation in every day, you have to take something different. 'cause I remember like the crunch conversation has been going on stop on our show. Since then, and you know, somebody wrote in. Somebody mentioned dreams and something else and immediately I made a joke. Well, see it's like, oh, well, no, hey, I'm doing the exact opposite of what I'm saying. Like, I'm giving medium crap because I like media molecule, and they know that, but it's like, oh, that's a bad look too. Because it's not it can't work both ways days gone got delayed. Right. And there was I thought a more than usual amount of tweets that were like take your time. We'll be here when you're at. But they were still people would overmanned you keep pushing keep link, and it's like, it's it's this weird thing where we live in a society where you can now interact with so many people just day to day who are making the things you love are the thing you love. And it's that we're thing of Oto. They are people on the other side. Exactly you have to breaking down the wall. Oh, no. There are hundreds of people behind this game. There are and that was that was the big thing with the telltale stuff, right? Where it was the New Yorker action of God. What's gonna happen? These people if you read the whole article if you just saw the headline oh my God. What's gonna happen to rest? Are they gonna finish the game? Are they gonna finish the season? And it's like. Well, hold on. That's the back burner questions. I wanted to clementine stories ends to, but I don't want these people who don't have anything medical coverage after this week to you know, we we live in a society where every single thing that either rebooted or continued these days like clementine story will probably continue for the next ten decades. We wanna make sure these people lives, we'll continue. So it's it's a very weird discussion to have because there's no easy way to say that what that person did was wrong for working eighty hours that person was also known for working eighty hours when that person wanted to and comfortable too and was paid overtime. We we just never know the full scope of every individual case, it was the same thing the same conversation. We've had about this stuff where keeps getting talking about every and every one of the shows we do and somebody wrote in are we doing going about this the wrong way? Right. And they were like games industry is just put up this article about these UK awards where media molecule and somebody else I forgot ahead had won awards for being great workspaces, a rock steady in great places to work in this another. You're not talking about that in the Roper for your bringing that up news. That's a great point. We're not selling. The people that are doing it. Right. We're only talking about when it pops up the people who are doing it wrong. Time net games was awarded recently for like the third year in Rome or something like that of being one of the best places to work. Oh, they do remember when I remember years ago when they put a GM that we're covering everything they put out the recruitment. Come. We're getting some neck. The highpoints of games. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things I think we I'm very cognizant of wanting the conversation to continue on beyond as well. And it is heartening to see it and listen to it continuing kind of as well as all this goes on that's also recovering redemption to as a game. And that's a few days weird back and forth. And so it feels silly. Let's jump right into that. But I am curious as we approach red dead redemption two's final release, obviously, we've been seeing these mountains of expectation rise and GTE five I'm curious. What you think on this five continues to be one of the biggest games in the world is always in the top ten empty cell going. Anyway, it's never GT online. Is this present consistent thing with millions of players. They always gets updates in this big to me, also like very more, fast paced and fully fleshed out thing that you can experience in the way that I'm curious to hear what you think about will Getafe five in detail online fans like red dead because at least from the outside looking at what we've seen from preview vents. And trailers and everything. Yes that you can rob a train. Yeah. You can go with your gang investigate the small town, and maybe partner with people or whatever you wanna do. But the end of the day, you're still in the wild west is still a slower more spaced out world. Right. I'm curious if that will people may not be expecting it might be detracted from that. I mean, I think the big the the thing that delays or stops. You from ask the question if not just you is what is read that online. That is the question. I would venture to guess a lot of people who play GT on line the millions and millions of people that keep buying it. And you know, literally buying the game again to get the shark card and cheaper price to play. Like, I would wonder how many of them have beaten the five campaign right because it's not that's not why so many of them are playing GT line. They're playing online to play with their friends and their crew and do this and do a heist and do a robbery and like be around people. It's it's it's almost not. It's not there yet. But it's almost how call duty was for a long time. I'd be one of these weirdos. Like I like playing. The single player, and I never touch that were so many people the exact opposite of playing player for weeks. And then maybe I'll touch on a weekend. When one of my friends are away or doing something once we know really what red dead online looks like I think you'll be able to spend that question. And but it will be interesting see at launch if the five online people are going to come. All right. Well, you know, new rockstar game. It's red dead. It's eventually gonna all by a chance right away. Or if they're going to wait and see like it gets to a point with a game like GT online. Right. Where you've sung so much time into it so much money into it that oh cool. There's another thing out. I'm not jumping until I need to jump to my crew jumps. And that is you bring up the great point of like everything we've seen of red. That is a wild west spaced out, you know, very open. Whereas like GTE's thing is it's Los Santos, and it's packed in. There's something everywhere every corner has something to do or act on. And for me. It's not that. I don't think people will want the pace. In the setting in the world of red dead instead of detail veasley, we know Jared petty will always be read it online for the rest of his. Yeah, he's gonna he's going to digitize his brain like a black mirror. Hop jumped will be in there. Yeah. It'll be inside the red dead world. But I'm curious just what we're gonna see from online. We obviously know very little about it. But I'm there will be obviously they wanna cram a lot in there for people to do. But the end of the day, you're not jumping car throwing it off a bridge and then going into a Bank, heist, then you walk into in. That's the question to like GT in lines found success in Rockstars been open about this right of like, it's found guess by listening to the audience and okay, cool. You want this? And that's why heist took so long because they were taking other people's feedback. How crazy are they going to get with red like, you know, GTE even when we were like, we should make a concerted effort to play this more mean Kevin played it. It was like they got flying DeLorean him. Yes. I need to get earn the money. We gotta article like are you going to have crazy flying horses? Are you going to get? Nuts and have weird bomber jackets for your character. Like or you're going to be like, no, no, this is an anchored Westworld kind of thing. Yeah. We've talked about that idea. Speaking of Westworld. Undead nightmare was obviously beloved thing for red dead. So good online is presumably the place where you can easily. Be like, yeah. Every halloween. Everyone's is on all of a sudden you have to fight that or Christmas gathers like an evil Santa Barron. There's a lot of reindeer you have to fight evil. Like, they could do that seasonally with all these updates, and I see that as a way to extend the life of read online. But yet is that curious thing of they've talked about before launch. They see both as being at the same time. Right. They don't read did online will replace GT online. I don't either. But I also in the same breath. Don't know if red deadlines gonna find success or let me let me take that back. I don't think red dead online go to success GTO on head because that's insane. Yeah. But also will it pull enough people away to go there and do that so many people that I see excited for red dead are excited for red dead redemption to because of the story and because they loved red dead redemption originally insure those same people might have fun in red dead redemption online. But I don't think that the same people that are obsessed with GT online, right? Yes. I it'll be really curious to see I was someone who very much like you played the call of duty campaigns jumped into Getafe five and played the campaign for a bit. But I didn't really do much online after because that thing of oh, this is a world. I can live in the experience. Yeah. The alert of being able to live out your Westworld red dead fantasy of being a cowboy for hundreds of hours will attract people. I'm just very curious to see what the pace of that old me too. Yeah. It'll be very fascinating when that comes out. So that's pretty much all of the main topics we show this week, grandma. Good having. But, but before you go, I know, I sorta ended there we have a little bit of Brad fire question round for a lot of questions that we tried to them, our wonderful producer Barrett chose these questions. Don't like the questions could hurt a lot of rumors about him on the internet. He's a bad when he begged me to stop saying them on podcasts say them as much as he won. You on that? I do. Anyway, we'll move onto the first question. Steven Scawthorn says do you guys think any of the games released earlier this year even had a chance against red did too? So Tang a little bit into it. So I'm gonna take that as both sales and critically. Let's oh, okay. Yeah. I thought we're just talking about game of the year. I would say critically game of the year wise. But I think it's going right now, I think its without knowing read review scores in what bronner's we're going to be on that I think it's red dead verse gotta war right for game of the year. And I and I think there's a continued of Celeste people out there a lot of Spiderman people who want to cheer for that too. But I think really when you get down to one on one who is going to be it's going to be read Denver Scott of war. And I think I right. I guess I can't speak the red dead, right? Because I haven't the review of haven't done it. But like God of war up until Friday. When read did comes out, whatever may or may not happen. Thought of war is my game of the year has game of the year. Right. So it's like, I think that game is just so special in the way that. Even platinum Spiderman, right? Some of the crimes of the here. Can we get another sable? All right. Great. Okay. Yeah. We're as God of war was I give me at all. And I did it all on I platinum it, and I finished it. I put the control down. I was like that was so perfect. I don't want deal. See I don't want something that's not half ass. But like isn't full-fledged from the ground up. This is what they wanted. Whereas God for was just every moment every moment had a purpose. Yeah. In the vote had even the boats. The times I'd come up short knots get out of the boat and just keep talking. Yes. Please America's has much as you want. It's crazy the intention of that were exact thing. I great point. Right. Never a wasted moment. Yes. So how read did then counteracts that with a giant open world and a sprawling story will be fascinating. Yeah. I'm very curious to see. And I think that'll probably be a lot of discussion. We'll have both probably on the show. Just there'll be a lot of shouting. And rooms game of the you're here was terrible. Hanley moving onto the next question. Daniel right asks how did the Spiderman cameo? Oh of Greg come about. Did you know about it ahead of time wasn't official or just a nod? Greg. What what are they talking about? I don't know what you're talking about. I I know that I take photos of shirtless, spider and shirtless. Spiderman is in fact in Spiderman places. Yes, a great scene with him in it for the for the purposes of this conversation just did not insult him. I'll say, yes, I'm sure it let's about a minute for the purposes of this conference. Of course, I. So. Yeah. Shirtless came around in the game, incredibly organically funny. I don't think we ever told the story this weird that. Like what it was that? I put up went to a spirit Halloween store last year. And they had the Spiderman homecoming mask, and I bought it and penal looked at me like that was a waste of money. You're never going to use it. And I was like we'll see about that. So I went back to the office of kind of funny took one photo of me. It was when it was incredibly hot here. And I was wearing shorts which I never do side pasty white legs as I do kinda funny shirt doing this in the bottom mask on and insomniac immediately loved it so much that they hit me up or it's like, oh my God. This is so funny. And then I escalated it by taking my shirt off and making a sexy song for Andy. And of course, has and then making more in like from the beginning really early on. It's like, this is awesome. We would love to put it in the game. Which would be down to the game. Like. Yeah. Totally. And so there were many of we're trying to get approved are it's not in the so finally ended up that I thought it was dead. I had heard it was dead. All it was all over and a couple of months before the game came out. I got a text from a friend in on. It was like. Dude. I just ran into in the game. And it's hilarious. What are you talking about? I thought it was dead. No, they find a way to put you in a party scene in so in my head with that meant was okay. Yeah. You're gonna play party seen as Peter. You're talking to somebody in the background like through their like, you'll looking you'll see shirtless. Spiderman sure, and I eventually accommodate hosted a panel toxin people there and clear it was little bit more on the cellular and like, okay. And then. Yeah. One night. I was like all right cool. And it was like all right. I'm playing through for review. And sure enough. He's like, you gotta go as cost. Oh my gosh. I wonder if it'd be hard to find me and sure enough it's main path. Spider man, spider broS. Wow. Yeah. It was insane. Like, it was funny because at San Diego Comecon, it was this weird thing of I didn't want to say that I knew because I wasn't sure who knew I wasn't sure what rules and who I was dead quiet about it. So I was talking to somebody, and it was just into who's in charge of the art came over. And she was just like, hey, I think it was James have you ever met Greg before? And she's like not officially, but I know him very well. And I was like what do you mean? She's like I have been looking at shirtless photos of you for quite some time. That is it when they say that that's funny. And then when you play the game like it is my chest. Hairpin? And it's very much my gut, and I was like I feel so bad for. I stare at. I double check just to be like, I knew it immediately that it was intended to be let me say, oh, wow. This is a lot more accurate than I totally. That's been the really really funny thing about that joke. Is that obviously if you know it you get it. And then other people who don't just think it's funny to see a fat shirtless. Spiderman or putting stuff about that? Yeah. Well, that was thank you for that hypothetical. Maybe that's what would have happened. But I don't know. Who is I just take us? What I appreciate you taking those photos because they're often great. You're welcome living on Eric Lewis asks if spied was just the beginning for new marvel games, which games are you hoping to see next? Man, one for me is just I want a good X men game. Can you imagine? I just that. That's the thing with like, you know, them buy back the rights and doing all the stuff and like, yes, please. Like, I I will live. I will stay forever x men origins. Wolverine is a terrible movie such a fun video game. Yes. And again storyline socks in all these things. But that was raven, man. And they got it. We're gonna make this hard core. Like, you can get blasted down to just the atom skeleton. Right. And then watch it grow back. And it's like if I'm marvel games if I'm Bill Roseman over there. Right. Like, I would be like we can do this and make a cool X men team game share, but Maki hardcore wolverine game and not like gory, bloody. But like a real like we're gonna tell a great story with him. That'd be awesome. Yeah. And I just I get gun shy around teams have enough time. Even the crystal avengers game. It's like what is that? You hear rumor every so often like what is the what is the scope? Of that team going to be like how much are you actually going to be able to feel like those characters just have won power each of them? Like, you get into that x men legends or marvel lines which I love playing great played them a bunch. But it is that thing of at the end of the day every character. So it has to be distilled into these buckets, exactly. When we all watch anthem. We really we'd be we could have a full blown ironman game. Given to a triple AAA studio to focus on think about that. Yeah. The suits you'd get in the powers and all this different stuff outside of that. I I wanna see I'll get whacky. I've kicked this around a lot, and it probably won't happen. But I do say there are too many squirrels in Spiderman PlayStation four for one of the deal. Sees not to involve world that's a long they way too much technology into anime world not to have that pay off somewhere. That would be maybe Spiderman too you may have to wait. But yeah, like, I would I would do solo stuff. And I would do I like a cool captain America game. Like say anybody really from the obviously spin them in your own way. Of course. But do something with that. And even even if you wanted to do a team fantastic four, right? That'd be a cool. One of here's four people that you really get to worry about the powers of. Yeah. I think if they jump into an expert in game for me, it's very much like distill it down to a certain group of the exponential. Pick one team that the developer really wants to build up and haven't that five. People not we have thirty of the X men here. And they all kind of have the same power there. All right. Good enough. Yeah. I think seeing the success of Spiderman marvel games, I think understand what about it. Yeah. Totally. They got a great team. I'm excited to see what happens to three years out from games going forward. Zach David asks what breaking news will be announced after this episode stops recording every damn week like Wednesday night Wednesday morning. Tuesday night, PlayStation announces something, of course. No matter where you move the show. Trust me. No matter where you move the show. Something's going to happen there ever any like sweet spot day, you felt or was it always just now. I mean, we always liked the Tuesday release right because it made sense with PSN's store at the time because they were you know, that was such a big deal. I don't know if you remember this Thursdays, and then PSN's like, you know, what we're going to before Microsoft or was a common bold move. Now never worked out. Yeah. And now there's so many Friday releases. So if you go to early there you may miss bargains for later in the week. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's such a sliding scale of insanity. Yeah. That's that's that's what I look for. It'll be probably the PlayStation five. Well, that was always the thing. You know? And I'm sure you know, better than most with all the new stuff like the hardest part. I always felt of working at I g n in being the number one video game website. And especially when we when I owned the PlayStation team. And I was in charge of it was that you never got to turn it off. And even with the UK teams. I understand there's different routing hours. But it always was I can't tell you the amount of time. It was like all right time to turn in. I would check twenty like why did I check Twitter Artem up? I'm writing a new story I'm contacting Sony's PR to ask about this thing because there's this leak and just put in there. We retarded. I mean that was the thing of like the PlayStation classic a couple of weeks ago. I came out of a movie, and I saw the tweet and my first instinct was like, okay check slack. Check Email chat. Make sure someone's gotta be on. I'm getting home. And that's what I'm doing. Exactly. It's a very weird thing. So look forward to them doing that every week just to screw with us. No matter where we moved the show. It'll happen. Stephen turbo. Asks please, ask him. If he's verified on Instagram hate you. That's the whole question even. I hate you. Stephen. That's all we got moving on ethnic arcane asks how's the kind of funny sh- video showcase coming along. Can you give us a podcast beyond exclusive sneak peek of what to expect kind of funny beyond? Yeah. You want to just tell us all the announcements here. Sure. No problem. Yes. So we're doing something called the kind of funny game. Showcase what that means is I've always loved how the game awards on Thursday kicks off this amazing week and if not week of content right where it's game awards. Friday was day off and Saturday and Sunday were ex- in Saturday always opened with that really cool, Keno of Adam boys, and here's geo, Vida. Here's a whole bunch cool stuff for you the fans that was often into your smaller titles because game awards is game awards is the Super Bowl is wrestle media. Right. So it was like years AAA headliners. Here's Kajima doing something. Here's a last trailer. And then got to be the, hey, here's a cooling into, you know. Hey, here's we're free MAC Shem. You know what I mean? Like, they did cool stuff like that. And so on PlayStation ounce this year. Nope. ESX were taking the year off. I jumped on it. Just like, I totally the first off great call. I'd much rather that than get water down every hates. Absolutely. But I knew from talking to people that people are working on stuff with the idea of there was going to be PSI. So I was like, you know, what we'll do our own press conference. We're the kinda funny game showcase Saturday morning to eighth at ten AM Pacific time to it looks like it's gonna be ten AM to noon. Oh, it looks like it's going to be two hours of video games announcements new stuff. The idea what I what I keep saying. I want to his expectations again, of course, Jeff game awards grandest stage of them. All wrestlemainia your navy. We are not second run. But this is right now it ranges from. Hey, I am a one man development team making this game to hey, we're a we're AAA third party publisher that wants to show one of our games there. Right. So there's a breath there, but we are definitely way more towards hey, we're much Indies. There's a bunch Indies that are making things. So the I guess beyond exclusive, right? Would be looks like two hours long really hoping you were gonna say ten AM till ten pm on you could one of those every time we have a weekly meeting that I'm missing record for beyond. And it is talk. The number of games goes out like we're talking. I'm I'm not being facetious here hyperbolic. Nope. Nope. Hyperbolic chamber, you put somebody into. No, you're right. Yeah. Hyperbole hyperbole. Oh, no. Yeah. Trying to say. Oh, wow. No. Maybe it is hyperbolic. No. Is it not no chamber in the what goes on in hyperbolic champignon? You get the iron lung. So you don't get the Benz when you're right. Okay. I'm not over exaggerating. When I say dozens and dozens of games right now, I've spreadsheet and I think it's up to sixty. Yeah. At least a baker's dozen. There's a ton of stuff. And it's my idea is that to be in the game. Showcase. It's that games. Cool. You have something new to say like in for most people that means release dates for most people most people release dates, it's hey, you we've never talked about this game here announcing new video game and then already surprising amount of and it's available. Now's like people that are going to release their game day with our showcase. So it's like it's going to be an awesome fun day to celebrate video games and continue that on right because I don't want. I for one for one year. I want to step in and fill that gap. So next year, PlayStation, come and do it again in Jeff can continue to do everything. Awesome. With game words, or if they take off you could just do the showcase number two. I'll tell you what knowing how much work this is right now. I don't know about that. I got that burden. I talked about it in a combo on. I just want to reiterate I love that. You guys are doing this. I think it's just an awesome way to fill that gap. A tutu. Just like you said celebrate games. This really nice end of your. Cap usually with game morts, a PS X able to have that stuff. I'm sure you see it too. It's always crazy to me that when I go to a PACS, and I see all these into games mega booth or I see something small and these people in this crappy developers. And then you come back and talk show or share it with him. I talked to Jared in the people aren't even what that is. And it's like right if I hadn't gone Ben in the mega booth. I wanna know what that game is either coming out in two weeks. Right. Like, I hate that. And I'm lucky enough that you know, I made me and gave me a following a personality business in the company and gave me a platform. And I want to use that to showcase people that deserve to have their game. Showcase and the stuff. We are. Getting is awesome. Any announcements we are getting on like, wow this way. I really I was really ready for a fifteen twenty minutes of like, hey, guys. It's us. Here's a trailer. See you later about you know, what I mean is this thing now that has spiraled up like when game informer was talking about of their podcasts. I guess we'd send somebody and I'd like right to them like. You don't you send anybody just in internet thing? PS experts and intended ereck somewhere in the middle. Like you. You're gonna watch it from home. It'll be fun. You're not gonna have fifty journalists in your studio. No thank God. She's Louise I'm very much looking forward to it. I think a lot of beyond audiences and a lot of us here at Jenner like Gil we'll have to come in on Saturday. But it'll be fun. We're do reaction. Streams to do everything. I wanna see everybody doing everything with. We're very excited for two. And I can't wait to see what you got show off. Speaking of the talking about little bit further back looking Mario broS Saria. What up what's your favorite podcast beyond memory? And he left him were general. So I can talk to about like old memories, a listener. Obviously, I think for me the. Jeff, Haynes pieces pants. Obviously, the I always forget about Jeff Haynes pieces pants and then once in a blue moon, Jeff, I'll come into contact 'cause he's still the industry do stuff, and I'll tweet out a photo or something. And then the first couple responsible, right? That's why we don't talk that much. Jeff Hades probably haven't that. Right. Yep. Yeah. There's that for sure I mean, it's like, it's crazy. I off to think about I did three hundred eighty one episodes missed a bunch because I do something here there on a trip or over. But I was on episode one to three eighty one in now to look and see five sixty four. Yeah. The fact that it's gone on because you know, if feels like we left yesterday. Sure one eight feels like we left yesterday and another hand it feels like a decade ago. But it's like to see how it's continued to go. And also, I mean, yeah. Sure, of course. Yeah. Jeff Haynes Hans-Peter pay. Oh, of course, you shut up. I got it. I got all right fell. Let you. Yeah. Yeah. Calling and I came in and got drunk and the PSA was back in like, we were watching the PlayStation blog map light up that like, I think Reagan tears Jeffrey was by hand like to put up as it rolled out and calling Kelly. Oh, yeah. It's kelly. That was amazing. Yeah. The early early days are so crazy 'cause I mean like it the to walk around. Now, it's weird thing on back. And then it's like on anybody. Well, this is still the same. But that's very different like us talk about the early days of being in the old Brisbane office, and you know, going Clemente came on for the first time and everybody was like Lisa's too much. We hate him. You know what I mean? Like, there's that undertaker bus through the wall art, we would get like, you know, it's so weird thing about now. Because obviously I make a career now out of being personality and having this audience the best friends when we started doing beyond in podcasts worth thing even game skid with Damon, right? We were shooting it off into space having no idea if he were connecting with it listening to because remember I'm sold that I didn't have comments when I worked here. Share like you'd write an article review and you'd go to the board there. Yeah. Somebody would tell you you sucking. All right. See you later job's piece. You didn't understand the impact you're having a people's lives when you we'd get the fan art when people would make their own shirts, when we would say something stupid like joke about undertaker busting through the wall, and somebody would draw you Boston's wall and Clemenza the table him, choke, slamming, Colin or whatever it was crazy watching all that build was amazing. You know, for me, the live beyond always stand out. Right. Like, I remember being in this room in this corner for beyond one fifty when we debuted the shirt because that's crazy to we got episode one hundred fifty and didn't have a logo. Nobody nobody thought through making logo. So I I heard hired. I, you know, we cut hobby Rodriguez it check fan who did TV for a long to make this logo that got us forever up until recently. Yeah. And it was just like you look back at this thing. And it's crazy the legs ahead. The fact that beyond with an exclamation point. Is the thing because I I said it on the first episode. Yeah. You know what? I mean scoop was the one I was just copying game scoop because I was a fan of. Yeah. And it became a thing that I would yell at annoy people because I was too loud when I eat it. But yeah, the live ones doing here, right? Like, I'll never forget after beyond two hundred like it was very much kinda like your wedding day where there's so much planning for it. You got there, and it was gonna blink of an eye. And I remember coming off stage beyond two hundred. And we've showed the first panda musk. Danny music video mash up and the lights came back up in one of the fans came honest hug meetings. Crying, and I was like is everything. Okay. Like, what's wrong? He's like this is just so special and it all happened so fast. I didn't know and so for three hundred it was very much like I'm gonna lean into it in remember every moment of it in that led to me crying like a baby all the time, but like bringing shoe out, right and doing different things. And again, I know it's tale of two worlds. But. When we were building it. And didn't know we were building it like you didn't see the fruits of that. Sorry. I remember I think it was beyond three hundred Roper came back for in Roper had left like in the nineties. Maybe the early one hundreds like before when fifty before the logo for anything because one fifty was when I was like, all right, cool. I've been host long enough everybody understands it's me commence, Colin they understand what it is. Like a making shirt, I'm making thing out of it. And when Roper came back, I think for three hundred hundred we went to Pete's over the ballpark afterwards. Right. And I'll never forget like it was it was an hour of people walking in in like going on. And then the whole place all of us. And I remember talking to Chris and he got a phone call from his wife and he walked over. And he came back came is everything. Okay. Yeah. I just had to tell her like, I I'm not coming home. And I can't tell you. I can't express it right now what this is. But this is I have this. I can't leave this. I. Can't he couldn't believe what he was seeing? You know what? I mean, we all take it for granted. Because we get to go to packs and do they're kinda funny prom or live or whatever like it's normal. But at the time, especially for him somebody who left before we ever what was really happening on the other side of the earphones crazy to come back to. Yeah. I think having seen that journey as the I never came. I was able to come to the live shows cross country flights. It was one of those things. I remember meeting you at Paxi twenty eleven and I was walking down the hallway to go to the game scoop live that was happening, and you were just like sitting at the end of the whole Anna laptop, and I like I'm walking down, and you could tell I was very timid sheepish like kid could recognize, hey, like who are you? And you talk to me for like, ten minutes earnestly and everything then went to the panel, Wendy three later that year, and you recognize me, and I'm like, oh, that's what's special about all this is that like you guys gave a damn sure everything not just we're here to make a show and get all these cool, followers and sell these t shirts like that wasn't the goal for you guys Nile, the earnest and the sincerity of all of that always came through so much. Thank you. I hope it's still does you know what I mean? Like, I think nothing makes me happier than when I'll see Reddit thread or comment or Twitter, whatever even people talking, you know, just talking somewhere else was just like I never bought the best friend business guys just say that on beyond I game super. I I think I remember the episode of game scoop where it was when I was getting divorce. I I finally confessed that Damon alone in the podcast room with soleus talked about that. And it was like, you know, if you listen this, you're my best friend, and I think, obviously, it's funny. It's funny because this is what I'm talking about a building something, you didn't know. Sorry. I'm going on forever. No, no. I don't know if you know a long winded. When when I g and sent me my first vid con, and I went there. I went into a room. It was the they were like explaining how to become a YouTube star star. But how to make a business on YouTube, and they were very much like have a catchphrase, call your audience something. And I was like oh my God. I've been doing all this organic no wonder, so many people think it's all marketing yet, it is just this. When in reality, it was like, Nope. I the way I wrote reviews in the way, I pod cast or talk about video games is very much. How I talk to my best friend PO when I told them what I thought of spot. Never soft Spiderman on PS one in my basement, and I still see him on the couch. And I still see me much still see me with the disc talking about what's game was great. And for me. I I used to be that. I I responded every PSN message in responded every. Tweet those days are gone. Sadly because they're just how busy it is. Of course. Yeah. But like, I still I still think I'm pretty good at faces. Yeah. And so it is that fact that I can still be like. Oh, yeah. And I was looking through my phone, even you know fly. There was no fire whatever. So I was like, oh, I should photos deleting stuff tweets or something you never did. Yeah. But I go to the very beginning. And I go in I still if I took a photo of you and me at a packs, or whatever they're still on there. And I still remember those people. I mean, like, I'll never remember your name 'cause terrible. But I remember your face. And I remember this moment. I remember this thing. That's that's what it's all about. You know what I mean? And that's why I'm just so blessed every day for what we do. Yeah. I mean, using the obviously the timing of it were difficult, but being able to respond every tweet and all of that you said that I think on show at some point whenever and that stuck with me so much that even the first time I wrote something on a public website and someone responded to it ever since. Then I've been like, oh, yeah. I should be responding to them. I should be because it's the fact that you did that for me changed my life in so many ways. And so to be even. Slightly nice to someone else. Other and just to say, thank you. I mean, you have that power. And you probably don't think you do or don't think about it because I didn't longest time, and I still don't. But it's that it is that the amount of times, I'm picking up my dog poop, and I'm looking at Twitter, and I heart thing or whatever and somebody quote tweets it, or whatever like I'm freaking out. And I'm just a normal person building my dogs poop, but like people don't see it that way. And I'm I'm, you know, I love the relationship. I have with the audience, and I don't want that to change. But I also don't want to ever be that like he doesn't care. I still read every right? A threat every celebrated threat, I'm seeing right? Like, I still poor through the comments and still look at all stuff. And I'm not as active as I'd like to be on a lot of it. And sometimes I don't wanna be at all because I want you to have that conversation. I or Ganic wanna see people talk it out with our getting involved. Yeah. But like, that's what this is all about. And that's what it's always been about building a community, whether it be beyond whether it be whether it be kind of funny. Yeah. And thank you for doing that throw personally for me. Obviously, there are a lot of people. Out there who say to you everyday. But genuinely thank you so much for everything before I was, gene. And to be able to talk to you right now on the show is very keeping going. Why I it's it's awesome. This is what I always wanted. You know what I mean? I remember distinctly the question that broke me at three hundred when it was beforehand is for a capitalist. Pigs my gene blog, and he asked me is there up beyond with Craig Miller, and I broke down in tears, and I said, I hope so like, I'm not I was never you know, what I mean. Like, I when Jerry Donna walked around. He's like every channel team's going to have a podcast. We all looked at him and said that is dumped we have wine, and that was like, whatever. So we didn't realize what we were doing. And that course show, but like by the end of it and leaving it the last thing I wanted to do was leave and have it be like, all right, cool tear down rebranded do this. Like, I know how hard it was for MAC stepping in. Where it was like, oh news. Not the same with Colin. Greg done in Collin. I would both be like, no, don't listen. How you do this? Let them do their thing. Like, I never wanted. I I love I g I loved is gene before I came to Gina loved edgy. When I worked I still live and die outside of it. Right. There's been a some news this year that you know, really brought all that back up. I'm like, oh, wow. No at my core. I'm still very much in person. And you don't cross the site. You know, what I mean like that in so no family and its thing. And you know, I it took me awhile. I think to wrap my head around that. And I I'd like to think I've been better about it. And as I've seen, you know, gene, people get hired as I've left people. I've never worked there spoken with. I still try to reach out and congratulate when I say or maybe like you part of a family now, you know, what I mean in that. That means something of where it all goes. Yeah. It's I've seen you do that. You did it for me when I was hired. I've seen you do that for other people since. It's always heartwarming to see and makes me so appreciative of. Yeah. I made the right choice coming here. Chirp it. I mean, this place is great. This is great. You know what I mean? And it's it's we're all lucky to get to do what we do in. This specially to come here and be able to do whatever, you know, what I mean, try new things and do different stuff. I mean like, I it's for me. It's always the funny thing looking at Brian right from the outside. Yeah. I remember when Brian Nichols in Brian Tano got hired a game spy by will total. And it was like you bring it on these comedy guys to do. What exactly what are you doing? All right. You know what I mean? And then to do up at noon with Brian to see him, go on is doing this travel show in Austin to this is awesome. Like, yeah. Because that was always my thing about is. Is that is people talk about crunch Dame? You always get mad at me 'cause we'd go out and we'd watch movie, and then we'd go to a bar or something and he'd be like one in the morning. I'd be like all right. I'm gonna go back to the office and capture wrestling videos, and he's like sane stop. And I was like, but I loved it. And this is. This is where I the crunch thing. It's weird right? Is like I love doing. And I had nothing else. I wanted to. I wanted to go play smackdown. Whatever it was in. So I would go do that in no matter what I put into Aegean. I felt like I got out of it. And that's the thing. I still think rings shoot here is if you want to go above and beyond and you want to do all this different stuff, and you can make your own future here. Yeah. It's incredible. To see that having been put into practice here outside with kind of funny. And thank you so much again for being here before we wrap up though, one final question from our producer Barrett. Courtney he would actually like you to read this question for you yourself song to engine that one. That's one here policies invents bear. Yeah. It's all caps in angry, Greg voice, Greg. The cower Miller. I'm sick and tired of hearing aid, see others. Enjoy one of my favorite games of all time. But you dot Dak that huge persona fan have not beaten persona five. I know you get closer. But for the love of God this game is so pure and about beautiful friendship. It made me feel not empty inside for several hours persona fought also rematch me, everybody's golf you coward. I will I beat him in his golf. So that's done. Like, no, you don't get a remand right back to the bottom of the poll. Like a case ladder system for back in the day of your old work your way, back up bear Tabet gamer, so it's fun. It persona five is my shame. I'll tell you. What man is somebody who likes beat the drum on persona get what why does we have a Cam? I know what is better than your lamb rebound, nobody needs. Now that stuff it somebody who like like, I reviewed I'll ever get Jeff Haynes giving me persona three I reviewed persona three. Fez, fry. Or? Yeah. Review persona four golden for. I mean, like, I was all over in a love persona. But yeah. For persona five as fast, and his is my life isn't as busy as it is. Yeah. When it was like what I don't even remember anymore. I twenty five or thirty hours or whatever it was where I was like I'm in love with this game. I love everything about this game. I got a switch to something else. Because it is. Yeah. We're in we're taste. And it's it is like we don't play everything, but you do play this thing. And you know for what we're playing on shows and stuff like I'm already I've already right now. Tip the scales were kids are like enough assassin's creed we get it. It's great you of it. We don't hear about it every show. So that's where it was getting with persona. Yeah. I do love it. I do think it's probably the best persona but going back to do the next seventy hours I needed to get the other side. I was going to get the first palace. I think two palaces. Yeah. Do you think you'll ever go back now? No, no. I mean, it's just I feel like I'm shark. I've got Ford again. You know what? I mean, you gotta keep going are you dying? So there's only I'm sorry area. You gotta love hiking. And you gotta be shirk. Exactly. Yeah. We'll greg. Thank you so much for no Jonathan on all honesty. Congratulations. Thank you. That's the biggest thing for me. Again, why invited myself on your shows? The fact that you're part of a long lineage now you already were at I g you already work as part of the show. But I mean now, you're the host of podcast beyond in like, they'll never take that away from you. That means an awful lot to hold people. And I think the most important thing, you can know is that you're going to. I mean, it sounds corny, but you're going to change people's lives. Like people are gonna look to you in a way, they didn't look to you before. And they're gonna look to you to get them through the bad times. And be there in the good times and be part of their regiment, and their routine and all these different things in a way that you you'll never really wrap your head around. But you'll get as the stories come in. And so that's, you know, a profound thing I'm very proud of you. Barrett. Don't put the camera on me 'cause I'm starting to tear up. All I could say in responsible. Thank you for taking my life from the show. No, prompt chairman anytime. Greg, obviously, there's a lot going on kind of funny these days here, where would you like to point people who may not already go there all the time? Just go to kind of funny dot com. There's too many shows. Patriots link. It's all there. We do daily game coverage. Yes. And of course, you are at game over Greg. Correct. On twitter. I am at jammed door Bush. This has been beyond episode five hundred sixty four remember beyond his live every Wednesday at three PM Pacific at beyond that idea dot com. And then you can find on YouTube and podcast services everywhere, you'd expect to listen to it on Thursdays at three PM Pacific. That's been beyond. There was a real wrench right? There was like where we live the whole time Wednesday. Yeah. I have no idea where I am. If feels weird, but Greg thank you so much being on and beyond beyond.

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What are the most Divisive Albums in Rock and Metal?

The Loudini Rock and Roll Circus

1:05:33 hr | 1 year ago

What are the most Divisive Albums in Rock and Metal?

"Today the Lucchini rock and roll circus the most divisive albums in rock there are classic albums. They are albums that most most people agree that maybe isn't the band's best work and then there are those records that sorta like gets everybody shorts in a bunch albums like the Beatles white album woman METALLICA's black album these albums made fans head explode and not necessarily in a good way so that is what we are GonNa talk about today. Those records that divided fans right down the middle stick around you're listening to the Loudini rock and roll circus changing rack history one podcast editor all right everybody it is the one and only Latini rock and roll circus podcast. My name is Lou. Lombardi Aka Aka Rudy sitting next to me on the copilot's jazz evening is lovely and talented miss live on six. What's up? I Ah Whatever Human Lucchini rock and roll circus dot com is the website got all Kinda Nicole stuff there tons of podcasts. What's really going on though guys is you WanNa go to Lou? LOMBARDI ROCKS DOT COM that gets all kinds of exclusive cool the stuff that you don't get any place else we do like an after show like a post podcasts wrap party there where not wrapped w Aarp not our AP okay just keep don't get your shorts in a bunch and we hang out there. We tell some crazy jokes and stuff like that gets a little dirty little Raji you. You never know what's what the subject matter is going to be this week. It's kind of free form there but you could find out about that in a Lou lombardi rocks dot com exclusive music. It's great community to to where you can interact. We're in there all the time talking to you guys about music. It's a cool thing Lou lombardi rocks dot com and I think that's all I'm going to do for the plugs right now because because I am really excited about today about today's topic which is the device albums. We're going to get into that in a second but I have as as I mentioned a second ago we've got a V6 here and it would just be wrong of me to not have Lilly Kinda. Give her little little synopsis of the week so what's been going on with lily six wail on Friday I went to the hard rock cafe to see the band red and with our local openers inside out and shattered which was awesome and I got to hang out with some crazy inside out fans from Johnstown they were great and and actually the rest of the weekend was mostly mellow. I cleaned but this week I'm going to see fuel on Saturday with my sister at the meadows casino right here in a Aw Washington so if you WanNa know you wanna meet Lillian person go drink and by Lilia drink you can get to the show at the meadows that is sir on racetrack road. What is that considered? They consider meddle in Washington. I think they consider it Washington in Washington but you guys just go to the meadows scheduled there. We're not here to plug the meadows. They don't give us any but they do get rock. Shows in there and Peter Frampton has been there Ted nugent lot Eddie Money Eddie money who's sick now. Moneypenny from James Bond has been there. I saw Vince Neal there but like he wasn't really bad that day so that's good well. You posted the videos from that yeah and he did. I thought he sounded good. He did the first time I saw him without Motley crue sounded like shit the second time he's on a great so it's really a crapshoot depends on if he arrests voice I think but yeah it was. I was good day of a lot of great shows there. It's a fun it's a funding is a lot to do there. There's the ponies there's the the the club the nightclubs one-armed bandits gambling drinking tables there. I remember that they were going to put those in. I hadn't been in a long time. I was down there on this weekend. Met A friend down there and I was like Oh crap. You know this is like crabs crap. You can play craps APPS it. Why is it called crap? I don't know somebody one of our fans. Chime in and tell us why it's called craps. Give us give us. Tell me why it's called craps. I will send you a Lucchini Mug so but just got to be the right answer. Don't just going out. We're going to fact check you or like. Get really creative with it. Okay this is when I'm gone by dirty money not not not to be confused Eddie money guy not dirty money dirty honey. Let's say dirty money dirty money dirty money. That would be a great name. My Band is looking for a name right now. We're calling ourselves twenty thousand Metal Dick's and that's going to be a play that you're gonna see that at a show. We're going to talk after we're done. you're going to see that pop up on posters and stuff like that if you do that's us we're kind of going a little incognito announced a millions of fans but this is what when I'm gone by dirty honey and Lucchini rock and roll circus in autumn all the film on needs it uh Thomas in in Madrid mm-hmm the yeah dirty honey everybody. The only kind of honey is dirty. Honey dirty honey dot dot com is a website and I think dirty honey kicks some honey but if you ask me Eh what does that even mean. I think the vans great I love it. I love the record of listening to the whole thing. It's on my it's on like one of my rotations there on spotify a dirty honey dot com. Go check them out so let's talk about. Let's talk about something something I don't know what do you WanNa talk about. We're GonNa talk about the topic. Maybe you our topic you know. I don't know I'm just kind of feeling like maybe it would be a good thing into kind of maybe discuss the topic. Just I mean I made him getting a little extreme here but maybe it's a good idea. Maybe Wolf Often Raven Raven. It does sound a little orphan that even that sounds like some kind of crazy like McNamee band name like no that sounds like one of those like you know like locally distilled whiskeys or something wolf and Raven Yeah. I would never drink that I would. We know that I would give it to me right now. I want to drink and I don't even want to do is I'll drink it okay so we are talking about albums that today's show is on divisive albums albums that maybe split fans or really kind of like blue and I'm not talking talking about because the guy was naked on the cover or something like that. We're talking about the music. I don't care about anybody there. We could do a whole show on we have done shows goes on album covers in the fast. Yeah I wasn't here for that but this is about records that either like were we're not what fans expected and some people loved in Psalm. People hated or critics hated fans loved or critics loved loved fans hated and then eventually you know or there was a big lineup and important lineup shift or whatever you so sometimes these things happen then all of a sudden you know but the band carries on and again some fans love some fans hates it that is what a divisive album is and that's what we're talking about tonight so I have have a little bit of a list and Lily has a list so let's go ahead and jump right in and talk about what the heck it is. We are GonNa talk about okay so on my a-list well okay so I find when an album as polarizing your divisive it's due to changing sounds or winning waiting too long to come up with an album and the fans surly disappointed or whatever but the first one I put in this is one where the fans sorta were upset at first but now it's considered to be genius fifty fifty years later Sergeant Pepper's lonely hearts club band from sixty seven by the Beatles like I said it actually upset fans when it came out because it was a change from their pop sound they wanted to do a little bit more experimental and it's been noted as one of the first concept albums and like I said after fifty years it's still sort of really hold strong. Everybody things it's like one of the best albums ever and doesn't really sound dated to me. Mo for the most part people are way more accepting of it now considered a masterpiece but but then like the fans were truly upset that they changed from their little mop top happiness to something like this the Beatles had been evolving a bit ooh and this is one of those bands that really they were always hungry to do something new do something a little bit different and there have been artists like that that have been enable to go like that and really you know if you're doing that. You'RE GONNA have hits and misses. The key is can you stay out there enough that you can get fans back in interested again. When you have another hit in between your misses a a good example is David Bowie who constantly you know what I mean? He likes chain for a while change what he was doing on every record yeah because I think he was getting bored and he just wanted to and I knew and that's what happens happens with artists. Sometimes I mean like if you listen to David Bowie's very early stuff what a lot of people don't realize when David Bowie first emerged his name was Davy Jones and he changed his name to David but in any case sergeant pepper's. I want to speak for a minute about sergeant pepper's because I've got the Beatles on my list as well sergeant pepper's. I didn't even realize and I'm old did not even realize how important that record was for most of my adult life until I really started to study it and started to really understand complete reinvention of so many things in so many things were that would never been heard before were were done on that record one of the reasons why the record was kind of controversial song like a day in the life which was actually banned really yes. I didn't know that yes it was banned Dan because it criticised World War One it criticized the British parliament and that gnawing voice thing there towards the end before the big crescendo that was considered like really scary and offensive. It's funny now. You know all of us later it's classic it is I will just go out and say this and I think most people agree with me. It is the greatest rock album of all time ever hands down. There is not a bad song on it. All the songs songs actually really freaking amazing and it change as so many things happened in so many doors were opened up up after that record happened and it was all because these four guys said well. What if we were different band? What if we pretended on this record saying we're the Beatles? Let's pretend where this other band. We'll call it starting pepper's lonely hearts club band and so we'll be this other band and it just goes to show you some by shifting your perspective what you can accomplish where you can kind of see things from so that is I think I think in many ways is a polarizing album. I'M GONNA chime in with one that's on my list because it is a Beatles album as well and that is the white album eventually sergeant pepper's was declared amazing and everybody loved it and a lot of people the Beatles were also heavily being a we're heavily into transcendental meditation at this time and everything but by the time the guide around doing doing the white album some things have changed. John and Yoko became very very very very close. This was causing tension in the group also they and it's never been completely explained but their association with the Maharishi dissolved so they became different spiritually they weren't they weren't a little different different place as well as this is the first album where they ever brought in guest musicians musicians to play most notably Eric Clapton on while my guitar gently weeps and a lot of people were really expecting okay. We gave the Beatles Sergeant Pepper Sing. It was freaked us all out and everything but now we've come to accept it so everybody's next everybody was expecting sergeant pepper's to the white album is not sergeant. Do It's a very it's a much darker album subject. Matter Law songs is is is is very different as it contains songs helter skelter revolution number nine which every beetle was against putting on the album but but it's on the album is the first record with backwards masking where there are the intentionally put backwards messages in in the songs and stuff like that very experimental so it was a really so all new thing that they were really really really doing and some people a lot of people wanted to like it but weren't sure they were really loves. They had finally said okay. We'll get with sergeant pepper's but this white album thing they just couldn't handle so divided a lot of people many years later it is considered again another Beatles masterpiece. Although some people still L. disagree with some of the choices on the record mainly revolution number nine that is still it's. I don't know if you don't know that it's not really a song no it's it's like a a musical piece and you can go check it out for yourself but that would be on my list is the is the white album by the Beatles. So so what is what do you got next next on my list is kid a from radiohead come out in two thousand. It's following one of their ah their greatest album which is okay computer their most successful album some fans. We're not expecting the experimental stuff with the soundscape and the dance and the Rock they like merged jazz in there and everything Tommy work was sort of envisioning a radical change in direction as artists do and we as we just discussed but they incorporated rated the synthesizers drum machines strings and bass and they actually never released singles or videos to promote promote this album at all so everybody just expected it another okay computer peter out of them and the change from the earlier sounds sort of divided fans and critics and some thought it was pretentious or deliberately obscure and I don't love that not one by them but people who are die hard radio advance love it so much I am not. I only like okay computer. Okay computer right okay right. I'm not familiar with that record at all did when I did my research I did see it but I kinda like skipped over radiohead is you. You know that there's another one that likes to push. Boundaries likes to do different. Things likes to constantly change a lot like David Bowie. I like that a lot like that and I would actually put Rato head out of my glistening group completely because that's an ex husband thing where he listened to that incessantly like rushing led Zeppelin accepted led Zeppelin is awesome and Russia's okay I gas but radiohead would be one that I wouldn't listen to anymore. If I didn't love okay computer so Gotcha Okay Okay Okay Lilly so I'm gonNA switch it up a little bit and get into the little bit of heavier mode here i WanNa talk talk about a forgotten often forgotten black sabbath album and this is the album that they did right Athletic People Forget Ronnie James Dio left of and to not just ozzy eventually Ronnie left as well to pursue his own thing and left avoid and there were some different choices that were explored for for the for the for for the next phase of black Sabbath. One of the ideas was one set of doing a black Sabbath thing we're gonNA take a supergroup with like Vinnie the apathy or maybe Karma policy and keyser and Tony and a singer some of the other singers that were considered one of them in this blew my mind David Coverdale he was approached for this record and there was somebody else you remember. It wasn't forget who very very famous who was out at that time who's who's approaches well but their manager who was ozzy's former manager at this point is Sharon Osbourne's father suggested Ian Gillan Gillan from deep purple and if you think about it you know Tony I only said this was a bandit was created on paper and you can kind of see that you've got one of the a singer from one of the greatest hard rock heavy bands of all time deep Erbil teaming up with the ban that invented heavy metal so there was a lot to live up to if you will with this record and the records called born again I didn't say that title and it is it charted pretty high the big money for them but it quickly lost favor with with fans and was kind of languished for a long time and eventually has been because comeback as many any people rediscovered is that record and come back and say none of it is very cool. I'm a little weird on it. I'm not real crazy about that. Ian Gillan Elon is an amazing singer and I'm a huge Sabbath fan so I think it's a cool record but there's also the album this is. This is where the album cover was a little bit controversial to with the demon baby you know at the time gotta put you know nowadays we're so you we're so jaded aided by everything you know. We're seeing crazy stuff. You know memes on twitter and instagram all day long that are crazy. We don't even think about it but at that time that album uncover was considered a little what what are they and they call it born again and that was the whole thing in the eighties. There was all these born the the religion the what do they call them. The religious right was very popular in politics and so a lot of people were like Oh my God you know what are they doing it. I I would say go and give this record. Listen if you haven't heard it in a while. I've revisited. I've come back to it a few times and it has grown on me but I did not like it for a long in time. I wanted to like it because I love singing. He's one of my favorite singers and I love Black Sabbath. It just took a little while for me to come around to it so if you don't if if you're not familiar with a born again by black Sabbath it was one of those records to kind of like got everybody shorts in a bunch for a while and it was kind of left on the shelf and then has kind of made a resurgence so so born again by black Sabbath. Look it up. Look it up. We do one more song okay. I'M GONNA throw out their Chinese democracy just to get it off my list for two thousand eight guns and roses. This is following nineteen ninety-three Spaghetti incident and the reason why fans are angry about this album. Them is the first problem is you made them wait. Fifteen years for new material that was anticipated for years second. Only three of the songs on the album weren't leaked to the public thanks to the Internet and third it was garbage according to most fans it was a letdown however critics love to this album make our great reviews. I got maybe maybe maybe in twenty years. It'll look like we forgot what we didn't realize you know. What an amazing important records? I'm sorry go ahead. I mean some people say the sound is dated. They took too long for a comeback a few some of the critics who didn't like it the New York Times quoted it was allowed last gas from from the reign of an indulged popstar Spin magazine said the only way the record could have lived up to its legend would have been to never for it to never come out at all but like I said it was met with positive reviews and got number three on the charts so I'm not this isn't on my list. I know on Lily's list but just to follow on that that same type of thing is I would. I just was thinking about as I'd put third stage by Boston on that list. Yes I mean I know that Iraq's the classic rock stations the heritage rock stations whatever loved cool the engines and Amanda they're really weak songs and it was the only guy played because Boston was so huge in the seventies and people were Oh. They were starving starving Eddie. Murphy tells joke about where he's like if you're starving and somebody gives you a saltine cracker now. What was that delicious? That's that's what I feel like the third stage. Actually I'm surprised that wasn't I would put Chinese democracy Chinese democracy accuracy though is is more on a divisive thing because there are a lot of like critics who are saying none unless there's some very some really cool stuff on this record and you should check it out so we're just ready to hate that and I think to the took so damn long just like Boston did it just even even even axl rose who's one of the greatest frontman ever in the history of rock and roll couldn't pull off a fifteen year wait with all the bs that happened between didn't he just as great as he as he could make we'll be right back with some more divisive albums on the Lucchini rock and roll circus. Remember Aber to join US afterwards it Lou Lombardi rocks dot com. We're GONNA have a good time talk to guys in here in a minute and yeah it back on India yeah take your yeah yeah off that is mechanism. Let me tell you how to find a little little mechanism for your health. There live on six. Oh my goodness you can go to Mac Hyphen newsham spell spelled M. E. K. Hyphen and ISM DOT COM and that was a suggestion today I was I I don't WanNa play the same bans all the time. They're just like constantly you know and so I posted thing in my private group today and you guys all chimed in with some great and this was a suggestion by Chris Dodson so Chris Thank you for the suggestion I who enjoyed hearing some mechanism a Bar Jeff Ski mentioned signs of madness and Auto Erotica and signs of madness this will get in on get in. We'll get them on on a future show auto erotica though barb unless you can send it to me. I couldn't find like a professional recording of there's all I I could find was like a live video of them on Youtube so I can't do stuff like that like recorded from a camera Mike. It's gotta be like a really yeah. It's got to be like a pro. Oh recording something. That sounds like you know like what you'd hear on the radio so so if you have if you have that band stuff off in that form let me know where to find it in. We'll definitely get them on but it was a Daniel. Santiago was the one who recommended. I play dirty dirty honey Sudan. You'll thank you for that. we've got lane coming up Shawn Lane in a little while Eric. Anthony wanted to hear Rez band though Rez Band Eric. I'm sorry you'll have to listen to Michael Sweets from stripers podcast. He'll he'll play resumes for you. Mark Stratton Norm La Chapelle hell lachapelle like Dave Chapelle but not Chapelle. I like John Fox chimed in Bill Domino so you guys give me some great ideas. We will have mm-hmm we will yeah Bruce Graham chimed in we will go ahead and be picking and choosing from your list. You guys you guys as years years Yin's Kansas's which I never I think we're going to go to. I think what a good sheets is after this anyways so what are we picking from some of these other the ones little bit later on and thanks Tim Mitchell reached out to as well. He's got a project looking for a singer. I told him I would mention it. This is like a pretty serious thing they have going on. Allies guys have been in major touring acts that you if I said their names you would know so if you're interested in that get a hold of me and I will try to connect you with Tim. Mitchell not to be confused with Kim Mitchell. Who's going for a Soda Right now somewhere in Canada with getty Lee and Rik Emmett? Don't do it okay so divisive. We get divisive up in your after tonight. I'm going to bring up one. One Lily rounded us out with a little bit of Chinese Chinese already which I was thinking of as well now. This is a he he he oh my God whenever you laugh like that. I'm just GONNA go ahead and say it because this was somebody buddy who was known as a child singer in a kind of miley Cyrus of her of her. She was on some television. Let kids shows and stuff like that goes. She was my shit. Just say you know when this came out and all of a sudden Atlantis more set comes out with this. I gotTa tell you it's a pop album but it's it's pretty frigging good and it's got all star cast carried fleas on it. Everybody who on it is like top players. There are two versions of you Oughta Know Oh by the way you know that Yes yes and all her albums the I believe I like the reprise one actually better at the end. It's got more got more guitar heavy guitar in but she put out this record and it's like all killer. No filler it really is but a lot of people that like Blue Atlantis from you know these nickelodeon type things. You can't do that on television like yeah you can't do that was much we're like wh what breath and it was a hugely influential album as well this influence a lot of young ladies to get into. I believe a lot of this trend and we have now of girls young ladies who are singing rock a half to kind of give a little bit of Pinky prop at least two Alanis more say because that is an edgy record not all the songs like rock rock but they all have that you know it's like balls out in your face stuff. She pulls no punches it fit in perfect with the nineties with this sort of like mm switching in all up you know men were men. Were no longer you know out there. You know in tight leather pants you know you know being all Rico Soi with ladies you know they were more introspective and everything now here comes a woman who's kind of like taking that kind of balls out sort of approach with the music and getting in your face and in singing it loud and proud a lot of people loved it and a lot of people have absolutely hated it. We we were rock band and I'm we played we played in bars and you ought to know was in our set but we we get a lot of grief from rock fans going to play in that crap that sucks you know so I mean I was thirteen years. Old Woman came out so that was what I was like. I'm like Oh an angry female awesome. Let's do this absolutely. It's struck a total chord with a lot of people as well as turned a lot of people off so it was. It's a it's a divisive. She's divisive artists is she is mellowed in her old age and she has involved with some different aspects of spirituality. I recently saw her in a great documentary that is produced by Sharon stone about meditation things like this and she has you. You know I mean. It's you know. She's got kids now. She's not you know she's not crazy yeah. She's not talking about the guy from full house who strove hard yeah a screwdriver and she played God in Dogma issues like God and she played a lesbian likes to city Garden Dogma Dog and God knows God in Dogma right and she was in. What did you do in the lesbian and sex and the city well? What can you say anyway so that is I wanted to throw that one out there probably again? It's so divisive. We probably some listeners so speaking of listeners. What are people saying what's going on out there? WHO's watching shout out? We have got Charlie early Doyle Junior. He says Lillian loose up Bill Damiano John Scanlon. If I screw up your name I'm sorry Michael. Jordan said we suck no. He said Oh he's all suck. Okay Michael Paredo Billy Almond I said didn't I already Dan Titus said as far as divisive albums music from the elder cast went from sort of bubble gum level rack right that fricken t- thinking they were Pink Floyd Gym that I am going like I gotTa write music from the elder down by kiss. Thank thank you thank you I was on my mind forgot to write it down also said Alice Cooper with his punk new wave era special forces zipper catches skin etc.. Mary Wall Says Hi Robbi Davis said read is Awesome Gary Wayne Cunningham Celtic Frost Cold Lake. I I don't if you're suggesting or telling me that that's divisive album. Who else do we have here Craig Khandan? Who are we listening to and John told him dirty honey CH- inch Angelina Green is watching? She's one of our Rock Ridge peeps. Diana says Hi Guys Mark Sam Buco. Jerry Colbourne is watching Angie K. Cameron Barlow. She says she's watching Rock Ridge even though she sick thank you Chris Thunder Underway Dodson said Billy. This is my friend's band mechanism from Florida. Bush Brown says cool sounds good to me like the song that was playing Tony West is watching Tracy Samson in his watching James Gentry watching Russ whore wingels play a song. We just did calm yourself Tracy Samson. I heard Alana's his voice very loud every single morning until it was time to leave for school. She's referring to me. That is my mother. billy elements is everything is awesome. His great show love you guys all right so let's go ahead and carry on with our show. Thank you answer all the output all the shots there. Yes I'm so glad on somebody mentioned music from the elder 'cause I had forgotten to put it on my list I was I was at the gym today. I'm like music from the elder that is definitely and this was kissed trying to do you kind kind of pink. Floyd Pink Floyd Ish progressive kind of kisses. Not what's the what's the word concept okay got Yay type Album Gene Simmons talked about it in his book. Apparently there was supposed to be a whole thing with this. There was supposed post to another movie and it was supposed to be like a big deal but all the came out was the album and it can he said it confused fans and you know but according to Jean everything kissed. It was brilliant boy obviously so you've never read genes book kiss and make up your read it now. I highly recommend that you read it even if you're not if you live with his way if you're somebody who is like entrepreneurial your your business minded you have some ideas about maybe some different products or services you WANNA put out there in the world. Do you think might useless in his book because it is really as much much is it's a lot of fun stories about this. There is a lot of great business sense in there and he gets asked to speak at a lot of business expos conventions since and things like that for really good reason you may think he's not I'm not testing gene's songwriting music but he's already business org bass playing but as far as the business guy I think we could learn a few things from Fr- from gene. He sells invisible guitar. Strings is your fans so very are he wins. What do you got lily? I'm the next one on my list is hysteria DEF Leppard from nineteen eighty seven this album I absolutely love but it made my list because every literally every time I bring this album on people grown at me and say that pyromaniac better that is my pyromaniac mania in my opinion. I love like I felt like it was his great progressional and high-end drives a cool is a cool out and I felt like pyromaniac. They really reach it and I thought and as I get it. I know why people like hysteria. I get I understand why they like but I have to mania but I yes. I'm one are those fans I know I know you keep their actually one of those. Both one of those fans and I love the album because of every basic white girl stripper Song pour some some sugar on me. It's not the reason I like it. That's could be off the album and I'd still love it shook only but the name of the album took over three years here's to get out after pyromaniac had followed by Romania which is an amazing album like we just discussed because of Mutt lanes production being so detailed people said that the critics and fans dismissed misted pop sell out no longer heavy metal and by the way it is their best selling album to date just saying perfect example divisive album lily and I were talking. Excuse me talking before we got started and I kind of had a hard time with this topic but you nailed it. That's exactly what a divisive live album is. It's the kind of thing where I get it but I don't like it right. Tons of people are people like pyromaniac anymore and I understand that I just really love this album. It's very I don't know I- Dancy Yep so popular. do you think came out. What year did it come out? It was eighty seven six. Oh never mind. I thought they'd like some sometimes I W P we get biased about this where something comes out at a time in our life when we're doing something we're I fell in love where it was when I learned to drive Dr and I was going out with my friends all over the radio and I you know I mean I'll tell you what I did. I know you won't like this. Go on but one of my favorite records it's is born in the USA by springsteen because it was my first the only like it was my first girlfriend that that's summer. We hung out all songs all over the radio gives brings back all those memories of that so I'm going to be kind of swayed by that. We all have those things music defines kinds of my life so there's songs that people hate that I love just because it was in a moment in my life. I think just I love that album. So much is because I've always from time I was a child loved to dance and those songs are very very danceable so it's rock you dance leg and it was very pop right right right right and they definitely fans that really liked. They're more like straight up rock and roll stuff work felt a little alien. They were disappointed and we're gonNA talk about that. Next with the next album I'm going to bring up which is Metallica Halacha Metallica or as more commonly known as the blackout. We talked about the white album. We're going to talk about the black album and this was an album that people we're like banging their heads. What the Hell Metallica metal to sucks you sold out all at all my God you're terrible boo? You know the whole thing and it's Jason Newstead said he said yes we. We sold out every night. We play you're welcome. They put out I I actually just re listened to an justice for all the other day and that is a met toll album does no no you know we're not mistake record for hard rock at at all. It's just it is metal up your ass and for them to go from that to the black album was total shock to fan but James Hadfield has talked about this many times and he says as they were touring with an justice for all and they were playing these long long pieces like one with all these different sections of he says he could see people the audience kind of eyes glazing over yawning and and he was like maybe we should tighten things up a little bit. Maybe you should take a little bit of a different approach and yes metallica was one of these bands there was playing giant frigging arenas and things like that was next zero radio and MTV support art next zero and they were able to do that so what was the only thing left for them to do get on the radio so they got together Bob Rock Doc and said look we wanted to record people might make played on the radio. You can't fault them for that and this is. We're going to talk about in a few minutes unbelievable. He's GonNa bring something. This is a band and that has taken chances and when you take chances some people are GonNa get som- people are going to hate it. Some people are going to bitch. You know that's that's just how it's going to be and and sometimes they have. They have some missteps Lulu. God is a complete like I think a complete disaster. I didn't even bring that up because that's how you posted on the thing that's like what I mean. It's kind of a miracle that had happened that they were. They worked Lou Reed. I mean I that's why I kind of like one of those. Things glad it happened. Unfortunately it's not a good record but it's Kinda cool that acts that they did that and they have jumped jumped around. They've done all kinds of kinds of different things they did an album of covers and things like that all right so they are all dead the frigging they they have metal in their name okay and for years and years and years starting from the beginning of that whole thrash scene they were at the band who was dragging adding that whole scene pretty much on their own for years and years and years stay deserve. What Am I? I'm preaching now but it is they are one under the so so this album was divisive because it went more in a quote unquote hard rock direction versus metal although it is probably the most bad ass what unquote hard rock album probably ever. I mean if somebody who's going to do a hard rock album. METALLICA does a hard rock album. It's like the Great Hard Rock. It's like the hardest hard rock you you do. Yes I said hard like seventeenth so anyway so that is why you want to talking about Metallica so lily so we were talking talking about. We were kind of going over this before. Lilly's goes so we'll go ahead. Since we did the Beatles back to back let's go ahead and Doug a little anger two thousand and three METALLICA alternative metal style reproduction in New Guitar Solos so with that they sort of departed from their rights metal no guitar Solos they departed from their signature sound. It actually debuted at the top of the charts but got many negative reviews people said this was the first time that metallica plays with any passion but the music sounds like a mess people hated that all ignoring the basic principles of drumming his high end drum kit including steel drums a broken church bell and so on so on and Hatfield Hammett's guitar playing sounded to process and we're overwhelming each other with noise so this one scene anger actually angered many many many hands chance but the names but mostly critics loved it so yeah this. They've made some mistakes but honestly METALLICA. It's it's different. It's definitely different different a lot of people you know but that album has been again like born again by black Sabbath that album has been revisited visited and we're there's people that have that I hated it in the beginning Hor of come around some friends of mine and stuff like that have come over come around on that records it. Nano does some very cool things about it again. Believe jumping heated already. That's all right yeah yeah. I just hated I hated here. I'm like that though I no. I don't even know anything about it. I hit it broke my ring while your engagement it ring. No God get Outta here engorgement ring any who's it's yeah so metallica but again like David Bowie liked the Beatles like led Zeppelin Day. These are bands at one the police. Even the police really have their first is record you go to synchronicity. There's a lot of stylistic evolution that happens there and when bands do that sometimes you hit. Sometimes you miss but you gotta give them credit for trying something different unlike certain bands. ACDC that have done never shame album since the biggest problem is the fans and I'm not like totally blaming the fans but you guys gotta give the band's a chance when they try something new the steering from the regular sound but they wanted to try something new in your their fans so continue to at least give it a come on have an open mind listened to. I felt that way about metallic it's you I felt like I felt like metal fans. were way too hard to feel like they didn't understand this. They were just because there's and there's so much other metal out there. It's not like because metal because Metallica did the blackout then all of a sudden metals got a tank yeah in fact the black album probably got a lot of people who wouldn't necessarily listened to slayer to kind of wait woodman who she these other bands that I was here mentioned when Metallica slayer like what are they sound like and he probably got slayer and anthrax a few fans as well so you have to put a little bit perspective speaking of were. We're never gonNA get everything on. I'm just trying to think of one real quick. I just want to say do have never mind Nirvana because so many this big as it was so many people feel like Bucket Nirvana you kill rock and roll. It's enough to be said about that Lily Lily B. Six. Do you WanNa talk about we both have this. I wanted to get this. I found this is one of those criteria we had was. Sometimes there's a major lineup change did fan that some fans absolutely like yes and other fans like act which is this is one of the ultimate debates in rock music as a fifty one fifty van Halen nineteen eighty-six the first one featuring Sammy Hagar David Lee Roth replacement and and Sammy versus Dave is one of the biggest debates ever all always we every time we talk about this. People are like on the fence about everything. Most most people were confused with the choice by going with the mantra singer to replace the balls to the wall frontman David Lee Roth most critics gave three or three stars or C. Plus called it a failed failed experiment regardless of diehard broth. Fans don't want anything to do with the new lead singer. The album went to number one surpassing nine hundred eighty four which was number two behind thriller that Eddie Eddie made a guest appearance on anyway so win win win prevent healing. Whatever but I love this? I love Samsar. He's my he's my man forever on Van Halen and I love all the songs that he did and this is a great album so I'm for it. I'm kind of a bad person to talk about this because I'm one of those people who I see. The two you bet halen's is kind of two separate things and I think that they're both great which they are. I think they are. I think that preference that with with Dave if they were more of a rock band with Sammy became more of a pop band and I think you heard that starting to happen on help me out here. I don't know what you're trying about. Nine hundred eighty four okay gives me said I had a I had a brain fart there but on one thousand nine hundred I think he started the year with I'll wait and jump being those songs are little bit more PA for Van Halen and to have that kind of you've carry on. I think that this is kind of the direction that they were going. They needed a different kind of eddie needed a different kind of collaborator and they needed a different kind of two different things if they get if they were going to kind of progress and the band progressive listen to their music up through nineteen eighty four and then you listened to their Music Post Nineteen eighty-four with Sammy Hagar they are to almost like two different bands. That's legit. It's like you know Sammy's my preference I do. I love both and Sam is David is a great front actually Sammy I shouldn't we always say Dave Centigrade from. I'm Sammy Hager live. Yes he's would frontman. Yes these excellent frontman and he's like seventy. Here's an he's he's silken belt. Johny sounds fricking long and he doesn't look seventy. He's yeah so it's I'm one of those people who like I totally with whatever they did meant part of his guitar player and Van Halen is like my hero but I just hear what they did. I am just stood where they were going with a lot of fans just they can't catch up real quick. We're going to run through some Melissa. We didn't really have time to get into might exile on Main Street. Never mind the bull accelerates you by the rolling stones for your kids. never mind the bollocks by the sex pistols that is look it up well. The sex pistols and Jenna right led Zeppelin one and this is a little more obscure this more of a but but this is a Yankee Hotel Foxtrot by WILCO. This is where the band departed from their alt- country kind of sound Americana Econo- sound that they had up through albums like being there with and the people love when they did Yankee Hotel Foxtrot they brought in they played the studio. There's a lot of cool studios doc and interesting things with sounds and things that they did this kind of an experimental album with all the songs having really great structure in in being super super catchy even though the instrumentation and the arrangements were very very odd to the typical welcome fans. A lot of people hated that record. I housing is brilliant and a lot of other people too. It's one of those records of divided fans. I'm Wilko's personally one of my favorite bands so I brought it up. What do you got? We didn't get to on your list. My List has is left on it. The final cut pink floyd from Nineteen eighty-three right after its unused material from the wall plus other stuff eliminator Z. top they changed their sound to more eighties synthesizer. SORTA staff lost a little bit of their bluesy fans but gained some new younger fan of Hell Ya big because of this abandoned from the there's a lot of bands it could not go from the seventies at least to the eighties and they did ozzy man they were right there. They found a way to a documented look and everything brilliant really but go ahead done with mirrors nineteen eighteen eighty five aerosmith. This was basically there's supposed to be their comeback. It was totally failed. It was Joe Perry was using recycled stuff from his solo album so that was on there and I play it was like an e for effort kind of rally. It was great that like I kind of felt like okay. They're getting it wasn't it wasn't done yeah. That's the problem yeah it was. It was kind. Talk getting back on the horses see original lineup. Joe Perry is back in the band. It'd be like okay. The Rolling Stone Keith Richards no it doesn't work and that's what Arrowsmith tried to do on a record or two yeah but go ahead. I did Kilroy was here. Nineteen eighty-three six did have great songs on it but it was trying there was just too much plot at comes off simple minded and it was mostly filler and uninspiring yeah it was there ironically after they had done Paradise Cedar which I think is their magnum opus a great album kilroy which is like all outsold Paradise Theatre. It's just I think that people want it and got it home went o see. Would you lose record for the kids. You couldn't go to Youtube and listen to the songs I write okay. You just had to deal to buy okay anything else. At that was my only okay. you listen looney rock and roll circus. We're going to go ahead and get out of here in a minute couple. Quick things I won. I forgot to mention this. There's so many people we need to thank. I need to thank Chris Thunder Wolf Dodson and his company Wolf's customs. I'm holding up the car and Chris I apologize. 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 New Mix: Pedro The Lion, boygenius, Rubblebucket, And More

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New Mix: Pedro The Lion, boygenius, Rubblebucket, And More

"Support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from the Kim to fund supporting individual dignity and sustainable communities through investments in transformative leaders, and ideas. Learn more at K E N D E D A fund dot org. Why are we the Franklin? The Dax and five Al green Chaconne. Those are just a few of the artist and a new collection of largely unseen photographs from the golden age of soul Rb and funk stores from the photographers captured all of them on the latest episode of it's been a minute from NPR. So to today's my mom's ninety second birthday amazing. Isn't that incredible? I saw the photo you posted on Instagram, and it is just the most joyful. She's just you know, like, I don't know what most people think of when they try to conjure the image of ninety two year old. But you know, like, I don't know maybe a a Walker or looking frail or manual surrounded by her and she's just like kicked back in this chair. Biggest smile just hanging out. It's bittersweet. I call my mom this morning, and I sang happy birthday to and she saw that's so sweet. And then she said who's this? Oh, no. And. On your son. And so I loved it. However, she so open hearted and open. She's like anyone who wants to call me, which happy birthday, whoever this person. Is she listens more music than I do. She can sing the words to almost any song from the thirties and forties. I mean, she'll make a couple of lyrics up, dude. I didn't. But she has a twenty four singers in what I call singers and swingers, but it singers swing channel on all the time on our cable box. So on either the living room of the dam. There's always the music is always playing and she walks around singing the power of music. And that's why music therapy exists. You know, especially for people who are suffering from dementia or Alzheimer's, a song can trigger all these connections in their brain that they otherwise aren't making. Yeah. And then when she so happy when it happened. That's wonderful. Happy birthday buzzy app. You see where she goes by him? Well, maybe you should maybe you should play a song for her. Do. We have a song. I don't know if this is for her. She has no idea what I do for a living, by the way, the closest thing. My mom has ever said is oh you play music on the radio. And so, you know, that's close. I wanna play. There's a new song from Boy Genius boy geniuses. The project of Julian Baker Lucy Dake is Phoebe bridges. It's a trio they're out on tour doing this thing. They put out an EP the other day after having released a single previous either coming do a tiny desk, which I'm excited about I want to play the lead off song from it. You can tell it seems like it's a certainly origins from a Lucy dak- song, you'll be she takes the verses while everybody joins in on the courses. I'm gonna play this great song called bite the hand from Boy Genius. See? Me too. Can't. Two. I'm so glad that they thought to get together and make this music. They're also wonderful on their own and they fit together perfectly Lucy. Davis Julian Baker and Phoebe bridges together. They harmonize so beautifully and they kept running into one another at in different shows and so forth. I got introduced to Lucy through going to see Julian Baker at a a little show here in DC place. It holds about one hundred eighty people DC nine two hundred people. Anyway, it's great to see all of them growing and putting out. It's terrific music. The album from Lucy decades, this year's going to be one of my favorite records of twenty eight team. No secret there Boy Genius. The name of the group their EP just came out. They come to the tiny desk in just about ten days that up shortly afterward. You know, we had a another great band at the tiny desk. I guess it was just this last summer, and we still haven't put it up yet. We've been sitting on it, and it is the band Pedro the lion. And it is we're gonna put. That tiny desk out in about a week believe around November seventh or so you can you can check it out. Pedro the line. They are back. This is mostly the music of David design was a rotating cast of collaborators formed in Seattle in the mid nineties put out a handful of records. And then a formerly officially broke up in two thousand six David design went on as a solo artist. Even though I mean, it was mostly his music, and he often even recorded all the instruments he started just touring and recording under his own name and a couple years ago. He was feeling pretty down. He was at a low point he decided that he needed to be reinvigorated away. And he got himself a rehearsal space, and he set it up as though it were for full band. You know, like he had the drums Mike de he Mike standing head to Qatar Mike, and and he got back to work the way he used to work, which is he would ride all these songs with the idea that other band members would play them, right? He'd orchestra 'this parts, and he says that it started to feel like home and after a while. Said it started to feel like Pedro the lion then in June this past June. He went into the studio with Eric Walters. Guitar and backing vocals and Shawn lane on drums to record this new album called Phoenix. Pedro the lion came to the tiny desk as a trio and one of the songs I did is called yellow by it just floored me that's the song. I I'm so happy to get to play. Now, the song yellow bike from the album, Phoenix and David bizarre says that it's a song that speaks in part to all the loneliness that he has felt over the years. Among other things yellow bike is about my childhood preoccupation with riding bikes and how tailed naturally into my grownup preoccupation with making music in going on tour. Until two midly as much as I love each of those pastimes that what I really wanted was somebody to share them with. Good. Oh. That. Versus. Dr. The song actually really gets me really emotional. I just think Dave bazaar. John is just so he so brilliant to about digging into the past and all the ways that we still carry it with us as we grow older, and he just so perfectly captures the innocence of youth and the freedom and hope in the excitement, you feel when you're only six years old and all those things you feel just by learning how to ride your bike. He ends up using it as this great metaphor for how in life has you down just in your lonely, just keep pumping your legs and keep going at the end e traded it for what my kingdoms just just my king, you know, this, but my kingdom for someone to ride with friendship friendship. The album is called Phoenix songs yellow bike from Pedro the line. The record is out January eighteen thirty first one in fifteen years. Here's somebody who's been recording for twenty plus years. I think his first demo EP when he was about sixteen years old. Yeah. Pretty great to hear something. So inspired music for a long time. Yeah. Most definitely, hey, Otis heart. Hey, guys. Hi, it's been an eternity. I know. Thank you so much. Let me parachute in on your podcast as hard as NPR music sodas heart all so often would bring electronic dance music to our our world. I actually think this band. I know that you wanna play works really well out of Pedro the line because I think sonically they feel like they were plucked from the same era. Yeah. I totally agree. The the band's name is quivers there from based in Melbourne Australia, which is a real hotbed for great rock music. These days probably most people associated with Courtney Burnett, but there's like a really great little community of laid back ninety style. Indie rock artists and quivers is a foursome who moved to Melbourne from Hobart Tasmania, which is you know, that little island off at coast of southern Australia. Sam Nicholson, Michael Panton, Bella Quinlan, Holly Thomas that Susan this ban the song writer for the most part of Sam Nicholson. And he reminds me a lot of like, the go betweens or the clean that you know, this band kind of slots right in with that flying nun sound that Austrailia sort of aims for I should say, not just Australia AustralAsia, because it's really, you know, Austrailia New Zealand. What are we going to hear? We're going to hear the band's first single it's called pigeons. And it's just the song. Just gets me every time it's my favorite track from their new album called. We'll go riding on the hearses. That's here. Some great lines in that one. I love the line all the best people are a little broken. Yeah. It's he's Sam Nicholson the lyricist. He's got he's got a gift for some one liners that are sprinkled throughout the the album, and unfortunately, a lot of the inspiration for lines. Like that came from the tragic death of his brother in a diving accident. He was touring America as a drummer and one of his friends bands. And you know, halfway around the world he finds out that his brother's gone. And so that that formed the theme the entire album, we'll go riding on the hearses lot of the songs are actually really optimistic and and sort of bright like pigeons, just wise. But you know, there's that undertone of kind of longing and loneliness, you know, to to lose someone so close to you. And I feel like in some ways Sam is a great role model because he's he's. Taken something. That's just been obviously overwhelming and something that could really bury you, and he's turned it into a really beautiful cathartic album and the bit about how all of his friends are broken. And all the best people are really speaks to his understanding that one of the secrets to being happy as understanding that you're going to be broken. You're not always going to be happy. I think that he's got reason to be happy though, because he made fantastic album, and I can only imagine the contradictory or conflicting feelings, you know, about sort of being celebrated for something that you know, you wish you didn't have to write. But you know, people are slowly hearing about quivers and Sam he's recording a second. I'm right now at Dave moody, who's the drummer in Courtney Burnett spend, so we'll be hearing more from him in the near future. And this came out earlier in the year, right including some songs been kicking around for a bit yet. Sam Nicholson released this album in February after sort of writing the songs over the period of, you know, eighteen months. Quivers? Thanks. Bye. Bye. Which take a break. Right. Okay. We're not going anywhere. We'll be right back. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Sierra Nevada brewing company in nineteen eighty with a few thousand dollars and used dairy equipment, Ken Grossman. 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I don't know five ten pounds of coffee. So actually, I'm not going to tell you where it is. I had to go to the cafe you could never make enough in that little press. Yeah. But I appreciate the sentiment. Hey, do you. Remember a couple years ago? We went to south by southwest. And I told you about how I had discovered this artist that was playing at a swimming pool at a hotel. Yes. So I mean, I love when when we go to south by love finding all these little obscure shows, you know, off the main drag the artist was Paula. It's spelled P A V V L A pronounced Paula. And I remember when I went to that show the front desk clerk had to use their security badge to wave me out to the pool area. And she was playing with a band between these two massive pillars at the end of the pool. So you couldn't really if you are you had to be in the water, which is. You going all the moisture, and it's terrible. But the music was great at the singer's Paula hornet, she performs with a few other people as Paula, and it's just this fantastic. Mix of acoustic guitars and electronics, which I love so much. She has such an enchanting voice. They have a new record coming out called secretly hoping you catch me looking and I wanna play the song called. I'm breakable policy says the unbreakable is about the fragile of a relationship of any relationship. Really? I'm quoting her here when things go. Well, everything seems fine. And you don't think it could ever end. This song is about stopping for a second thinking how easily we can lose every good thing. We have in that moment writing this helped me to not take any relationship. I have for granted unbreakable from Paula. Realized the singer of your favorite buns on joyful. When you don't sing with them. Cooking for one is never that. Funny. Dating dome meals. Umbrella. Today. Dying. Subconsciously? To fight. Aids. But. I think in immune one of the things that I I love when an artist takes the time to add the little extra thing to you know, it's like so often the biggest problems have the smallest solutions. And she keeps this song from just being a straight singer songwriter with all the little things that she sort of plops in underneath there. And the fact that the song completely melts in the middle of it to this really warped, low sound perfectly capturing that feeling of being alone in losing everything in the time. Suddenly stands still comes to a slow melting halt there in the middle of grape so much music. I I hear this such a disconnect between what they're talking about. And what the music is when songs like this works. So well, it's one world. Yeah. And with without being too obvious. I mean contrast is good too. And I'm not saying you can't do the opposite to make your point. But there's a purpose in rhyme, and reason and and so much music. I hear it just feels like, okay? Well, AD sounds like a good court progression. These words. Yeah. So I love the father went into this. By Paula, Paula, P, V L A is how it's spelled pronounced. And she she did tell me when I talk. She said she literally did it just because she thought well, isn't that what I'm supposed to do to make it cool. I mean, I thought people do that just so you can search and find something like if she. And I always get benefited of people silly spellings that they're doing it. Search optimization. Yeah. Well, this this record secretly hoping you catch me looking is out November twenty third in the label. It's on loop records, but it's spelled L U U P pronounced loop records, anyway, really wonderful to have music from her. So I'm going to do something. Now, I'm gonna play two songs back to back and they're connected. It's been a rubble bucket kind of week for me. All the things. Posting pictures and stuff. Weren't town this weekend played a spectacular show? But Alex Toth who's the trumpeter in rubble bucket. Put out a solo single this week. We put the video up online Roebuck. It's complicated little project. They've been give ten years. Alex is like I said as a trumpet player cow Traver baritone sax. And she sings the two of them have been intertwined as in a relationship for a long time. They've gone through an awful lot cow went through ovarian cancer doing well and Alex struggling with alcoholism. He's winning. But because I felt pars relationship. They didn't know whether they could continue the band, but they did. And I've seen him a number of times. And this weekend was spectacular for Bravo. Bucket is coming to your town see them, they have a brand new record out albums called sun machine. So I'm going to Alex Toth, which is spelled G O T H with a big line Toth over the over the oh cope. Pilot came out in in September. And I think speaks to that relationship somewhat. At least that's how I take song. And then right after that, I'm going to play another song called what life is from the sun machine album by rubble bucket and thank. Well, let's go ahead and say goodbye. Let's do it now. Thanks. All right. Cheers. Everybody music. It's all songs considered. Statue. Play. It may. Sunshine. -chusetts? Wash the idea. Really? Just. The justice. Jim. Nobody has to know. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from internet essentials from Comcast. Connecting more than six million low income people to low cost high speed internet at home. So students are ready for homework class graduation and more. Now, they're ready for anything.

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The Top 10 Most Shocking Revelations in Rock & Metal

The Loudini Rock and Roll Circus

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The Top 10 Most Shocking Revelations in Rock & Metal

"Like mind blowing incredible revelations about your favorite rock and metal superstars stick around your list today on the Lucchini rock and Roll Circus with Lombardi Aka Lucchini and Lily v six we are going to be talking about the most shocking all right everybody welcome back to the you know there are over the years there have been crazy revelations in oh posting like amazing rock content and guess what there's no politics there's no infighting there's no back biting a two F. off at ten o'clock this morning they were not gonNa even tell me that I was let go unless I asked them 'cause I couldn't get into my computer this morning they were just GonNa let me come in tomorrow Lombardy rocks dot com or you get access to tons of exclusive content first of all I'm always in there doing different videos guitar stuff teeny rock and Roll Circus My name is Lou Lombardi Aka Lou Dini sitting next to me today in the copilot's chair is the lovely and talented the name where it is just yet but it wasn't from here it was not from the Arabs for my day job where I'm not Louis B. Six but I was very unceremoniously told pilot Willie what is what would you like to tell kids at home today oh I would love to tell everybody that I was like Oh for my job today I'm not going we're doing tonight it's a little weird little different but we try to mix it up you're listening to the Lucchini Rock and roll circus our website is Lucchini rock and roll circus dot com Tony guys different riffs things like that as well as you get offers for merchandise and cool things like that but it's also a great community there's tons of people I guarantee you'll make some cool friends in their lombardi rocks dot com last shot out to rock Ridge radio for being an affiliates here and getting that's all about who you guys give give us some of your ideas as well and we're going to be thrown do some shoutouts at you guys for itself revelations crazy stuff that more crazy than we do here in Lily will I will also I didn't get to go see Sebastian Bach in Waterloo New York on Saturday it was awesome sounds great very upbeat didn't try to kick anybody with a camera so he was he was very fun so they did out house you sound perfect he sounded perfect from your favorite rock metal heads that you went oh my God who'd have thunk that was going to happen so tonight we're GONNA be talking probably about ten or so Lucchini rock and roll circus out to absolutely millions of people we love you guys were proud to be part of the Rock Ridge Radio Family Lily B. Six as I mentioned earlier is my is my co host is now flaming it's just really awesome people who are really excited about music and really excited about the Lou Dini rock and roll circus and what we're doing just chiming in having a good time getting to know each other check it out check back off from lots of stuff there really should just mentioned right off the top is we have a little deeper level where you can get involved with us and that is pro and see that I couldn't get in the building and then say Oh yeah you're not here anymore so little little mad about it so today at work I kinda just watch TV I am fourteen together a sort of tribute Oh mayes to the song hot for teacher by Van Halen and if I play the song on the show on the after show and the whole story again go to Lombardy rocks dot com that'll get you direct access to one of the things you get is the after show where we get a little bit is Louie B. Six what's up yeah and that's pretty much all I got to say bye see you later thanks for hanging out naming the company on that show so You Guys Wanna go ahead no all the things just listening on Thursday night I we might get into that a little while ago on our is the drummer from the David Letterman and all the actually there's another guitar player in the band the Bass player I apologize I should be spanked Lily just kidding I oh it will get blocked so I can't do this I was I was using you to look for covers of that song so that because I play cover of it circumstance on the Loudini rock and roll circus another man they don't have a problem and as I did it you'll never guess who I came across during the song it was Steve Stevens Bam you Steve Stevens Wonderful There are some live video one video on my facebook because I could not get that thing to go live yeah I do have some video that I took there that are posted to my pages and but I wanted to mention you mentioned Sebastian Bach I putting together and I'll just give you guys this is you get this and you get to live with me if you go to Lombardy rocks dot com we all saw it I watch TV updated my resume so that's what I did for my full day and basically l. if you want to hear the whole because I will be telling it on Thursday on hotlinks Louis Six and I will be rock and metal revelations here in a second but first we're gonNA play an awesome band that I discovered and I discover these guys through my inner circle Shawn Lane is actually member of the Al Speaking of Sebastian Bach before get I know you guys are chomping at the bit to get tonight's topic we're GonNa get into I always intro here and I'm GonNa play a song written by the Band Lane here in a second our favorite ones some of the and we want you guys to chime in as well so click there in the comments if you're watching live if you're not watching live you missed it so are player billy idol and you knew who singers Sebastian Bach Really Sebastian Bach is a singer Anton fig celebrating got the Bass player in the other guitar players named the top of my head but you guys can I I will maybe I'll share that video with you guys in the inner circle some at some point but it was just a you got like Oh my God I can't believe that guy did that or I didn't know that that girl was all about that doing this the whole time in rock and I didn't so that is the gist of it yeah uh under no circumstances never would ever situation openings like would you mind into my band dude and I'm like okay I'm like era freaking awesome it's absolute killer called lane this is yeah aw Yeah uh-huh Yeah it's I I wouldn't be able to use it on for what I was going to do with it but it's just kind of interesting to look at so anyways we're getting we're going to be talking about the great a period why period end period e period Lane Shawn Lane and his booze great fricke and Eh eight track I love the sort of like a big fat kind of like alternative metal sort of sound and that's some very nice boys who call themselves Laine L. period I hate to say new metal because it kind of has a bad rap because of one band while that band should gave new metal kind of bad name Russian dot com to absorb and Ingest and digest and consume all things you must consume thirty nine and I like him very much okay so we are talking about some shocking shocking racket send it out to Chris Under Wolf Dodson and have him do a sweet ass custom paint job you know you wanna get on stage name but I think lane does that sound very very well and there's a lot of passion and the vocals are absolutely killer you want to go to lane the and you can't find freaking white cloth anywhere that's because it's like a shortage in the country does the white claw shortage because all the basic white bitches drink it yes and that is Wolf's customs dot online and you want to get take your electric guitar or Electric Bass I'm sorry I haven't had a little thing there but I'm getting better now a little knob creek maybe not everybody knows these ones so we love him we like Info Right Info so the one I'm GonNa say I is Ozzy Osbourne lost a cocaine snorting competition today Ronnie you're talking about semester on the Lake Sebastian Bach this weekend and I I ran across that and they took somebody's cell phone so it's all a great audience on your a loser if you do that crap and you go to Wolf's customs dot online and he'll hook you up I know Chris Thunder Rock and roll heavy metal historian she knows everything okay she really does we be but I know that you came up with way better than I included a couple of ones that you mentioned that the link that you shared I found a couple of fun ones on their fun but this keep the Hawk Hawkins and we're hoping that some what we can get him back in as well but he's Keita's very knowledgeable we're doing a show on the fastest drummers some maybe we can t excess partying in nineteen seventy eight when Sabbath invited van Halen to open for them there was plenty of downtime so the two frontman decided to have a little friendly competition would a frigging guitar that looks like every other guitar players guitar are what are you like some big nature frigging more. I will vouch for Chris Thunder Wolf Dots. Personally you don't like it you can come talk to me about it all right I'm GonNa go straight to shut me we have raven tonight we have Raven Christiaan with Christmas. You WanNa go to Wolf's customs sounds like a fun one the night before the tour stop in Nashville the two decided to stay up until nine in the morning doing blow to see which one of them would feast plan he's the Hawk back in for that one soon so what do you got lily we're talking about crazy rock revelations we went we talk a little bit on facebook this week about what I was thinking some of them might it sounds like something they sounds like sounds like a good time always Chris farley movie but go ahead Ross had some huge balls I think to challenge is inst- Iraq and I should Taya podcast like this you're GonNa get tired if you do that I know I'm going to get tired but I'm loving it literally six good for you Johnny Razz Oh can I come over and build Lego robot I if you need a great plumber you want to contact John Raza the Eric Eric Anthony contacted me said that you know because we are on different I'm sending different feeds also David Roth out snorted Ozzy Osbourne crazy well to be fair ozzy was probably a few years older than me yeah for sure David Lee Roth what you're talking about so these are the two names you think of Rock Osborne and Roth both have made careers out of there I white Bitch Trink they're gonNA regret band name maybe and I get we're getting you a logo this week he ended up go he said he ended up going the wrong room he realized it went back to his room and that's where the authorities found him so David Lee Roth won that contest of sorting blow Wa Ozzy was kidnapped or dad this is what the news was saying they thought he was kidnapped or dead because they couldn't find my dead now basically he was just in someone else's hotel room he fell asleep he saw those pictures of me with my God that was crazy dino and I both have long curly hair we're both shaved head now I loved it but dino's Martin Okay share it with your friends and POWs wherever you like if you're a twitter person if you're a youtube where just get it out there because we wanna get I think so somehow somehow they both made it to the airport to go to national checked into the hotel later on time to do soundcheck Ozzy didn't show up it might be too white need to accept the want not one day my worn out shoes luther man could handle the shower setback. Make sure everybody is satisfied Todd Game Dino Raila Dino is a speaking of great deal and I vote in college this is hilarious Out snorting Ozzy Ozzy Osbourne that's Prince a free minute clean just like you know what the Hell's wrong with people oh yeah he was like an old hand at it should be riding a bike greatly I wanNA give a shout out to some friends to build domino and John Razzle bill says Ozzie do competition involving drugs without dying in the process 'cause Ozzy's y'all know that's how he's living still I mean that's that's his secret he's Gay Question Mark So what Oh Rob Howard the kick ass and you lied Sayers bad 'em Ephron Guitarist fricking just a just love his guitar applying great within sort of neoclassical thing Eric Anthony Todd Kane Dino Kurt Day right that he watches it on well yes some people are feeling ignored because we're not I am and so I'm kinda going to try to jump around a little bit to my different feeds that he's building the Lego robots with his son that's fun so hotel chime in but when you get chance and John Rouse is cooking chicken on the grill and vodka in juice at that there's anything wrong with that Seinfeld's are best known for fronting heavy metal bands priest if you live under a rock powerful managed to buy selfish acute myself and my beliefs escapement real quick guys if you're whatever you're wherever you're watching if you're watching live you guys on rock radio shame shame on you you're not watching live each gang life but you're wherever you're watching live hit the shared hugh minutes so so that that's why it's really important and it was so what do you got next on your list so I'm going to go with one that everybody will know basically Rob Halford thank you guys for for watching hanging out we love we love all y'all Oh y'all all y'all thanks Eric yes they they gave me the X. gave it to me good we need to construction needs that Josh it which Josh is pod Rot Montana among the door he's the one do book the gateway he booked a Gig for me he was for his wide-ranging locals trademark leather studs image so leather studs so young boys boys I think a lot of people in England even the night it's we have a totally different climate nowadays everybody's knee jerk everybody's so politically correct social justice warriors like coming out your ears so in a bad way in a bad okay so so we have Ozzy are David Lee Robert Anyway in one thousand nine hundred eight during an interview with MTV Hallford publicly revealed Homo sexuality broke down in the great plumber and build on me is a great podcast as well so we are live tonight I'm going to kind of jump around to different by different yeah somebody the word out about great rock that you probably don't know about like bands like lane we have three minutes to live coming up a little bit lady beast coming thing to Lucchini rock and roll circus changing rack history one podcast at a time word like I don't like words like racist or stuff like that it's this stereotype me just like you put people in a box in your brain only because it's like a cultural thing and you're not weren't nearly as shocked as people in America I think people in America will oh my God but in London were probably like this whole leather saying like we all know you guys got to put yourself in space and time at that time it's not the gay was like because we knew there were gay all George Michael was it was the one thousand nine hundred eighty yes so it wasn't like super long and also also you can be metal and toughen in your face and being gay like it's like it's irrelevant unlike and you know how people kind of like WANNA stereotype I don't like the this is on right now but this was a metal thing and so I think that it's more Iraq it was more of a shock but I think also route rob did something very cool by kind of like saying like Ah anyways wolf customs dot online check them out all right now we have lilly six and a half lily is there resident all right so this help people sort of mental heads and sort of like oh broaden their horizons a little bit so it's a time in ninety eight it was a little thinking too much we all sit around all day like ornaments ritual living are busy live in your mind puts things into categories just so you can move through the world nineties grunge rock at all because it's not my thing but nirvana someone and I say Moron paid twenty two thousand dollars for a paper plate that Kurt cobain wrote on anyway he describes he came out during a MTV interview publicly He describes himself as the stately homo of heavy metal right right out there there we go so what are you guys next let's do one more before play the next fan three minutes to this kind of an interesting one and I don't normally like to talk about late to the party or maybe I think what I really think is that crowd that listens to the big rock station here in Pittsburgh who will not log on this is a case in point someone who has like too much money and doesn't know what to do with it recently there was immaculate Lucchini Rock and Roll Live like wink nudge to that situation so rob how it comes out in one thousand nine hundred tells the whole world and talk about heavy metal brass fricken balls this is sort of explored a little bit with the singer for what's being called Steel Dragon dragging and it turns out that there singer so it was like well we know it's cool what I think it probably people in the industry who were like who touring with them probably once again he was actually worried that he would lose a fan base after he came out however he received amazing support from his bandmates and fans alike most of which I read about this everybody said they already Kanu but there's a kind of small town kid replaces big time rock singer Ripper Owens comes in after Rob Halford imprinting hung out with him probably weren't like all that like Yeah I kind of figured out or you know we sort of saw that when we return with them or whatever I think a lot of fans were you lost my train of Thought Sorry Distracted Youth Bruce Oh what I was gonna say like this is sort of in the movie Rockstar I love that movie or any other I hope this is on your list Doug Panic I don't have them on my list because I've and I don't know Atman Kurt cobain at by Julien's auctions according to sellers Bain had eaten pizza off of this plate then wrote the settlers for the evening show on it well wait a minute if there's homosexual homosexual what is that correct well somebody correct this we don't know Dj p Nice don't play nice what a condom politically correct turns out to be gay as well and he goes off and he leaves he leaves the band its trade I it is still dragging not supposed to be Judas priest bad crowd was in denial not our metal not rob Lee's and I wanNA throw in since you're mentioning Rob got to know that you fig if you're like at understand he's a cool dude probably wasn't real aloof with opening acts probably great with everybody and it probably people not sure if he's watching down on the person who bought it and laughing or shaking his head at this point Um he well he might be looking up since he killed himself bit of a nod to that I d I sort of felt that the way they portrayed a gay guy in that the singer in that film is a little bit unfair if in your mind you're thinking it's rob I didn't realize it was a set list on good it's cool but is it twenty two thousand dollars school Israeli if you're Nevada fan it is so it's not but not for 'cause I couldn't imagine rob marching off in a hissy fit like little red into that yeah I thought it was a little but in any case it was definitely the I think he's probably more shaking his head because that's not really like what he was about the most expensive item sold that day though was something called the card again he for who is one of my heroes I just he's fantastic yeah him vocally just blow my Bros but aw outstanding shirt lily I know right Chris you are outstanding is outstanding your band is you're a metal God speaking of metal gods over to second me about three weeks to recover from our two weeks straight of partying but I'm ready Uber wherever you like Chris Polaski from leprosy the band here in Pittsburgh said I've heard he has come out really as as a you know a agape again as like not the day like I don't know you've let alone let alone somebody who's passed away let alone somebody like because sometimes I bring people like with like Oh this is autographed by John Adams Okay Yeah you know that could have been off by Sam Adams I'd be more into that actually four at one of the final photo shoots it sold for seventy thousand but the problem usually have with this sort of stuff is is it off unless I see them sign it themselves I ain't GonNa Trust you you know what I mean the third well you know even pawn stars has like had people come in with signatures and and the question of well fake but then questionable right site it turns Ooh and that's tough man you know like it's one it's one thing to try to deduce somebody who's alive Shout out to Eric Anthony Hello Lou and Lily Eric we love you brother I miss you get your aspect to Pittsburgh as soon as possible we need to hang again I've recalled this is a band called three minutes on the Lucchini rock and roll circus yeah that is three live for whatever I'm kidding the joke don't not we're gonNA get mailed how good we need money but like I think he's the dot com I love that kind of metal aggressive in your face not so screaming though that like I can't by their stuff and we do with this one things we do here these guys are awesome three minutes to live dot com super simple it's the number three minutes to live Sirius. 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BGN Radio #57: Wentz + DeSean = Excitement at OTAs

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BGN Radio #57: Wentz + DeSean = Excitement at OTAs

"You're listening to BGN radio. Why would you listen to any other eagle's nest with John Stolnis and randomly gal? You are listening to BGN radio, your source for the best eagles news and analysis in the game. This is episode fifty seven brought by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding relation. I'm your host Michael kissed followed by work bleeding greenish dot com. Follow me on Twitter at Michael, kissed NFL vets, K. I S T today, I am joined by the man that makes BGN radio. What it is. He is the king-maker over at bleeding GRA nation. He is Brandon league outon. Follow him on Twitter at and gotten Brandon's. How you doing, brother? Mike doing good nother day of eagles practice to talk about. So let's get to it. 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I'm just gonna kick a right back to you. So one more thing before we get to opiate talk organiz team activities on June. Third, I wanna talk about Joe Douglas and it is kind of tied in with OT as because he was there. And apparently the jets are done with a round of interviews and they had not made a higher yet. What was Joe Douglas up to today Bill while he was not wearing jet. Skier, Mike, which is surprising because Mike Lombardi said he wants to leave eagles and maybe that'll happen. You know, I'm not I'm not doubting that Joe Douglas could leave. He had his interview, apparently they had dinner with the jets on Saturday night in the former. Interview on Sunday. And now the debts interviewed tamp Kelly from the bears. And I think if reports are to be believed media reports. I think that's really the only four candidates, they're talking to Scott Federer from the Seahawks. Terry funds from the saints and then Joe Douglas jam Kelly. So it's possible that they've interviewed all the guys they wanted to see what this isn't they make now. So, maybe as soon as by the time this podcast comes out, though, Dallas will be hired by the jets will see it seems like decisions coming there soon, though. So I guess we'll see one way or the other if Joe Douglas is leaving or not. Yeah. The clock is ticking on that have anything happens between the time that we record in this thing. Gets uploaded, I will definitely throw in update in there for the listeners. But let's talk about some organized team activities that went down today. Monday, June third at novacare complex. I actually want to change it up. Normally we swoon over Carson Wentz for the hurston minutes, and we're still going to do it. At some point there's a reason he starting to get more buzz as we inch closer to the season. But. Wanted to start on the defensive side of the ball from the sounds of it. The defensive backs. There's just out there having fun. And I remember seeing receive Douglas go around with the microphone interviewing players in the locker room including asking a craven LeBlanc. Why the call straps and LeBlanc just like his face lit up. They seem to be like a really tight group. And speaking of quarterbacks just talking about the youth of the group, Ronald Darby, Jalen mills, crave LeBlanc will all be twenty five when the season starts result. Douglas Maddox and city Jones are twenty three even the guys like Jeremiah McKinnon and Josh Hawkins are like twenty five and twenty six respectively with all that youth at the position, you're really hoping that a couple of them can have a serious breakout, and barring injury, like my money is on Sidney Jones who Doug Peterson made a note of today for playing really well I could definitely see it for result. Douglas Peterson also praised him for having a good spring process and even a more established guy like Darby I've always been very high on him. I think he's got legitimate Pro Bowl. Potential and you just hope recover from the it has a full healthy season. Overall, there's a ton of competition in that group and a ton of potential, if you had to guess build G water gun to your head, as a on Burs befriends, as the podcast, do you have a favorite for a breakout candidate from that group based on what you've seen it. Oh, TA's, or just in general. Yes. Good question. I mean do I consider Avantis Mannix breakout player because he had that good rookie season. Last year you need some struggles later in the year. But Vanni manage this makes plays on the ball the coming. That's very a. You can't watch practice and miss onto Mattis tight, well where is he today? No. You're going to see him as he's always gonna make a play on the ball today with a pass break-up on Clayton. Thorson pass two racks Miller, there it was in Miller's hands us about to make nice catch on it. And no incomes of auntie Matic's flying in knocks out of his hand. So that's something you see from him. I think onto Matic's has to be on the field that something we've said in previous OT a recap. That he's just he's makes so much place to not be on the field in some capacity. No matter where he lines up, and he was lining up again in the nickel today as opposed to last week where he was on the outside, and Sidney Jones was back on the outside today and Roussel Douglas the first team defense as well. I love the energy those guys bring and obviously, they're younger position group as you touched on there, Mike. But also a little bit more experienced now, you know, this isn't like a group of rookies like they were, you know, listen you Jones in Roussel Douglas being rookies in two thousand seventeen or Maddox being a rookie last year. These, these guys have some experienced under their belt. And I think that only helps their swagger. They're, they're even more confident than they were before having that NFL experience now. And I like to see that. And it's fun. It's just their fun group to watch a moment that stood out to me in practice today was it's not super consequential but they were doing a special team drill. Where will DeVos's lining up as gunner and it was traced eleven in Jeremiah MacKinnon, I think or someone one of the other defensive backs as. Jammers and they got a good jam honorable scrimmage, and then the whistle blows the drill is over. But trae Sullivan starts to like windmill dunk over there. Hoop by is this kind of get small things like data gonna group, just loves to have fun and they're always talking, and they're laughing, and they just have a really good energy around them. So they're having fun. They're competing in another reason you mentioned, it Sidney Jones rookie in two thousand seventeen but really had mostly a redshirt year didn't show up until week seventeen against Dallas. Cowboys started on the outside. I thought he played well really had his rookie season in two thousand eighteen and started out really hot like people. Forget how good Sidney Jones played in those first three games especially in the colts game. And look the hamstring injury s- things start to go. Downhill doesn't play as well. Sees a little bit of struggles. There's communication issues. Remember some in the titans game with him and Corey Graham, they weren't on the same page. Those things are going to happen when you're young player and there's changes in the defensive backfield. So again, if he's healthy like he's the guy, I'm really looking for and keeping it with the defensive backfield. Let's go to safe. These Malcolm Jenkins is still a no show. No word on if he'll return to mandatory minicamp, which starts on. June eleventh, I think we've made it pretty clear, at least me and you have g that if it's a matter of money that the eagles need to pay the man. So we'll continue to update you on that situation beyond that Rodney McLeod was participating for the first time in front of the media. A he's a guy that when I went back to his films. Speaking, Gaza really balled out in the beginning of the season, you kind of forget about when I went back to his early in the season super impressive to start the season he was creating turnovers who's making plays on the ball in the air. He was sniffing out route combinations. He showcased a knack for overlapping zones and getting into throwing lanes his tackling efficiency was improved, although it was a small sample size always been a bit of a bugaboo forum, badly missed in that secondary throughout the year. Now MacLeod would obviously go on to restructure his deal after missing the bulk of the season with a torn MC L last year which saved the eagles five million dollars this year, his two thousand twenty year becomes voidable. So we don't know with this is going to be his last year as a Philadelphia eagle, which is why the eagles showed such. Heavy interest in bringing in safeties on official visits in the Predrag process, even though alternately they dropped one instead they opted to go. Offense heavy in the first two rounds. But Beal, g it is good to see MacLeod back. It's a story line. I haven't heard mention of too much, and I think that needs to change based on how he played last year in what capacity was McLeod involved in as today. Yes. Oh, McLeod for the first time in front of the media, at least to know for all I know he could have been practicing when we weren't there last week, but first time in front of the media, he was warming up with the team like he has been, and then he did some individual work, and then I pretty sure I saw him doing some group install with the defense. So that seems pretty good to me. You know not doing team drills yet, but the fact that he's doing something, you know, seems to be a good sign and probably points that he'll be back sooner than later, much better than doing nothing. Or not even being there practice at all as the case with Fletcher, Cox, or Brandon Brooks guys who are still on the men and healing. That was encouraging the sea, and I think one thing we might forget about with Rodney McLeod was how did he wasn't the Super Bowl. He was awesome. And he's not always gonna be that player. I don't use a superstar talent by any means he can show up. He can have those big games. He's a good player, the very least he's he's aggressive when when he gets on. He's assent how he gets on him. Yeah. I so. I think getting running back is kind of like underrated addition, if he can get healthy and be effective coming off, this ACL slash MC L injury that he suffered early in the season last year. So hopefully, you know he kinda discontinues to progress nicely. Good. See him back there today practice getting one step closer and they're obviously some other guys two that are making their way back. Yeah, let's stay on the injury tip your Doug Peterson had a lot of lower body injuries to report. The media was kinda give him crap at the beginning of the press conference. So he talked about those a lot during his press conference do you have a list of players that were not attendance or just out today. Yes. So the usual guy. Were out in terms of all Shawn lane Johnson. They're not attending OTA's who Madame Jenkins, obviously darkman it hasn't been able to practice against enough of that shoulder days leaders, obviously not doesn't need to be OT as that their nears. So Niger Batum deal mills. Brandon Brooks Fletcher carts. All those guys mile Sanders still practicing, which is a bummer in the last week, Adam Schefter said that he was apparently like good to return and on this answering injury wasn't serious. And I'm hoping that still the case, Doug Peterson said that he's being cautious with mile Sanders. It's a bummer though. You know, you wanna see him out, each one of the more interesting players, we could possibly be watching in these practices. So hopefully, maybe he'll be out there. They practice next on Wednesday the fifth, if not, hopefully he'll be there for many can't. So we don't have to wait hill training camp in July. Nelson wasn't practicing today. Not sure what's up with that could dispute a day off? And then MAC Holland's might he exists still. He's alive. Live. There's proof of this. I saw him running on a side field us moving pretty well. That's great to see. It's encouraging and then Doug Peterson said he's quote unquote optimistic that mccown's for training camp. So hopefully that continues to go Lil there that was that was after the media Preston a little bit on it to it. You'd have you tell. He really didn't. He wanted to be vague about it. He actually said that he goes all you want to start out, vague. Okay. We'll talk about mega. Well, I'm ready said, Optimus tick me off the mistake that he will finally be ready to back because it's been too long. I miss Mack. I was watching some on the scientist here. I was watching some of the I was watching Carson two thousand seventeen highlights and MAC showed up there, a decent amount, not a huge role obviously, but he did contribute to the today thousand seventeen team like he was some kind of peace in hopefully he can get back to that that'd be nice to see Josh Adams was running alongside mccowan. So he's working back from that shoulder injury that he has. And then round Darby Corey Clement in Carlton. Agassi's very important. They were all doing some rehab stuff. So those guys are on the mend as well. You mentioned my columns, and some of the highlights. I remember that the in two thousand seventeen it was the bomb against the Washington Redskins that, that went for six that was a big play for Holland. So hopefully he can do more of that for the eagles. It is encouraging to just see him at all. So that's great. One question on the defensive side of the ball for you before we go to break. We'll talk some offense. But Vinny curry is back in from what he described was a long off season essentially, and is very hyped up to be back here in Philadelphia. We're definitely glad to have them back with the Chris long retirement news. Couple of coupled with that, but he's not only hyped to be back. He was hyped during practice today's that, right? Yeah, I don't know why. But for some reason, Carson Wentz fires slant are to wait side on a slam digit are away. Drops it in Vinnie Korea's dislike going nuts literally barking like a dog and then TIMMY, Jernigan runs up to him. He's like, all right. All right. Right. And I was like guys, you know, doing a love the energy, it's great. It was like it's just kinda funny made me laugh was even in the vicinity of the play like. I don't maybe a little bit maybe his hand up. And he kind of made like Wentz lead a little too much. But like, I don't know. I just think it's it's funny to see that one more note quickly on the defense that will touch on is that Zach round was practicing for the from he had been practiced last week after missing the first week entirely. But he didn't participate last week, don't know those injury injury related or what but he's running with the second team right now. It's actually him in Eljay for Kamu Jay hill, and everyone's favourite. Nate Gary where the first linebackers and this is obviously time things teams there. But I do think a little interesting that the aren't just handing round the starting job. And I think that's fine kinda make him work for a little bit. Ends Brown was talking with the media after the practice neighbors, talking about the culture that they have in Philadelphia by saying, you know, there aren't really clicks. I got the running backs right by me, over here, and I can talk down. I could talk with the offense lineman. I could talk with the wide receivers like it's not real cliquey and Philadelphia, maybe that's a big change for him for what he is used to. In Washington, it really wouldn't surprise me. And when we come back here on BGN radio episode fifty seven we're going to be talking about the office out of the ball because we have to get to Carson Wentz, Sean Jackson, otherwise it would not be bijon radio. So keep it locked in here. We'll be back right after this. Hey everybody, how you doing? Well, that's good. My name is Bill, Matt's. I am the director of fun games for broad street hockey radio podcasts. I am Kelly the deputy managing editor of street, hockey dot com. I'm Steph driver, the NHL, additonal manager Espy nation, and I am Charlie O'Connor lead. Flyers writer for the athletic dot com and together, we make up BS h radio one of the shows that you get at the Espy nation podcast family. We have a lot coming to you this year, and we want you to listen to or show. It is just an all flyers all the time show so much content. I really hope you listen to it. It is a great piece of the speed Asian podcast family, along with all your other favorite sports. We all love hockey specifically the fires. Let's go the flyers. The hockey team of flyers. And we are back here on radio episode fifty seven brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding, green Asian, Michael kissed here with Br. Brandin Lea doubt Lynn, Brandon. I was going through the time line today. At lemme tell you I could not scroll too far without coming across either tweet or an article about Boston. Scott, including think pension Solex gonna have an article pumping agree nation dot com about Boston Scott, but Doug Peterson was asked a question about a specific role. And that was the name that came up. Can you tell us more about that? The I mean sometimes been a while to yard articles done. They're always great. I'm you know, I'm not complaining to saying, but this one I mean thirty up now. Mike bell arti has article about Boston Stott and to be fair to Ben. He actually wrote the Boston Scott signs to the roster from the saints practice squad. So he's been over this whole time is he has he renounced his love for Donald puffery is part of the hashtag, Boston, Scott. Hi, I I'm not. I don't wanna be down in Boston, Scott. I'm not saying anything bad like it's, but it's not like you necessarily did anything or is done anything out of this world in string practices. Discount funny, that Doug Peterson was asked about Darren sproles kinda like who could fit in his role. This is from Mike silky. I don't know if Mike was purposely trying to get into bring Boston, Scott without saying his name, or, you know, that would make sense of it than a nice little natural leading question there. But it's definitely worth noting that does through that out. You know it's one thing when you ask a coach about a player directly in, then they praised that guy like, that's, that's fine. That's great. It's another thing or at least it can be another thing if you ask him a question, and he kind of unprompted brings up a player and that's what happened to with Boston, Scott. So that's probably a decent sign for Boston. Scott stock in as I've talked about with you, Mike. When you look at this punt returner situation, you know, it's Donald Pomfret Boston Scott on Jackson. And none of those guys other than the show, who could be probably just more rotational guy as returner is a surefire roster locked. But maybe, you know, Scott. Kinda as good lead. They're potentially for that fourth running back spot, ten return, he can endure, you know, catch passes kind of be that Darren sproles profile mold of a player. I mean find practice. I don't have anything bad to say. But I don't think he's absolutely lit up either to be fair to me running backs. You know they don't they don't stand out atone and these kind of practices. It's different. You know, when you can't have the defense, actually tackle them each. Don't get to see the full you know what they have. So I'm looking forward to seeing Boston that can do this off season. But am not anyway. Against the high, I would never want to invoke the wrath of the hive. But I just I'm looking forward to see more from him as what I'll say, I was gonna ask you yard kinda dressed did, what could he have possibly done in the span of past couple of weeks to just be like, okay, this is the new Darren sproles? Darren sproles. They don't grow on trees, man. And, and we are just talking about a role in he does it's funny because he's got like a similar Bill to high wait all that stuff. And you know, he's a shifty kinda guy, but we'll see when preseason comes Kenny pick up. Certain blitzes is breaking tackles, you know is e- taking care of the ball on special teams in that life fire. So that'll be really where he earns it, but it's encouraging to see that he might have a path to the roster at regaining. Some better overall running back play out of this group than what we got last year that's going to be extremely important for this offense. And speaking of being important for the offense, especially in the long-term Jordan. My Lada had some struggles today. He was benched benched today, super serious news, which of my Lotte, I mean, they experiment over, you know, rain in two plays thing couple plays after a false starting. So something has to work on. I think he's done. Okay. Okay job overall with the first team unit going up against Brandon Graham, so it's not easy. Simon for him. And I saw one point brain Graham, George my logic. Hi, five or whatever I didn't see exactly what happened there. Maybe just Graham kinda give him some respect impressed with him. Or maybe they of just got little too tussled up to make sure everything was clean good. Nothing happened that was dirty on purpose. Same thing with the running back position. Like to me, it's kinda hard that full gauge of what you're getting out of your linemen, when they can only really limited in what they can really do in and it's not like Brennan, Graham, absolutely going all out to bear down on arsenal. Wins in try to actually hit him in hurt him because that would not be very good. So tough to get a real good gauge, but he certainly looks the part still. Obviously, we know that huge but just like the kind of reinforces just looking at him today. He's just so big. It would sure would be nice to have him really be, what people are kind of like putting unfair expectations on him in my opinion. But if, if he can be like a solid NFL player that is fantastic that you have a tackle for the eagles in two thousand nineteen. And moving forward should be great for protecting quarterbacks speaking of the quarterback Bill, gee, I can't believe we've gotten this far without really digging into Carson Wentz his performance, but let's get into it. Let's talk about the chemistry being built between Wentz and John Jackson because, as you said, on Twitter, wince really seems to have a fondness for throwing to Sean. And I know I've often said that their route trees that being you know what Carson Wentz throws well versus what disowns axon runs bell often said those to marry really. Well, don't think I've cited actual statistic behind that in a while. But that comes from short football, Fred of the show worn sharp the reason I say that they lineup and Mary wells. Because in terms of success rate, you're talking about out routes curls digs comebacks slants. They're all throws that Carson makes with regularity has a high success rate and they're all routes that, Sean Jackson see success with as well. So it's not just the deep ball. But of course we're going to talk about the deep ball. But that isn't it? Tractive part of it for sure. Beal, gee, how was the new pairing coming along? It's really, it's looking really good, Mike. Same thing as last week. It's just Carson, it almost feels like he's throwing to Sean, and every play, which is has tied too much. Shawn is the new has much. Although, that'd be really good problem to have. And the person is to Sean a lot and it's not forcing the ball his way ought to be clear on that. It's not like everyone's covered. You know, he's forcing a ball to Sean in someone else's running wide open. No disown is getting open and to be fair. This kind of practice environment is what disown Jackson should dominate. They can't really touch them. They can't get his hands on him. There's no press. And so he has a lot of freedom to get open. But still, I mean like other players have that same thing, and they're not nearly as dominant as the Sean has been in these practices. It's not just the speed, although you still see that they're very much. So a play today, where John is running on crosser in Wednesday hit some and poor Stanford undrafted. Rookie free agent Joey off airy somehow is wind up with trying to get this on out of bounds or tackle him. And I just didn't stand a chance to song up the sideline in a quick, Harry you see the speed. There went had a deep completion to John. That was good to see hit another one that Wentz under through little bit, and was broken up by Jeremiah. Mackinnon I definitely the most fearsome defensive back. So I think I just wanna take from that is the timing could still afford improve on the deep ball with Winston dish on. I think that'll come look at those reps not only here but in training camp as well. Really, usually not a problem for Wentz. You're telling me that I got a guy that can outrun my deep. All you really wanna see, you know, a moon shot from whence, I think to John's going to get it out of him. Yeah. If anything usually see Wensley overthrowing. Yeah. A little bit as opposed to another throat. But the other thing that stands out about the Sean is route running like now, there was a play today where he just got wide open in the back, owner of the end zone and I wasn't looking right at him. The. Place. I don't know exactly how it happened, but it happened. There's some reason why he was ending their all by himself. And I think that's a lot with the Sean just ability to get open not only using his speed, but is precision route running. So that's good to see as well. Those guys went into song clearly already have strong chemistry in. That's really this impressive. I mean these guys haven't had a lotta time to work with each other. I think the chemistry's speaks to both the talent of both of those players. Carson Wentz being really good end Sean being really good in spin able to kind of make almost any quarterback look even better than they already are. So great to see those guys, you know, really teaming up, especially in, you know, part of this is because out on the free isn't here, which kind of a bummer, like to kind of go on that a little bit more, Mike, is that. I don't want to, you know, I'm not gonna get all old man, yells at cloud on also on voluntary. I get it. But one of the biggest things with him in winces like they haven't had a lot of practice time, because do hundred seventeen it was often who was dealing with that torn rotator cuff missed out of training camp last year. Both all Sean inlands didn't really, you know practice much in the off season. They were both hurt and it would just be nice of, you know, all Sean was out there, and he was gonna building more report with winds because we need to see that, that was something. We didn't see enough really into thousand eighteen and maybe those guys will figure it out in training camp. So I'm not trying to say, you know, it's all over and just because he's not, not as but and maybe even many camp next week, you know, shaima back in those two guys will get something going. But I'd like to see that with those two billion chemistry's hopefully, we see that have academically, see your point there because they really having really kind of mistime things with their injuries in the offseason stuff with them. So building that chemistry as Carson Winston to Sean Jax. Doing right now. Would be fantastic. You talk about other guys missing time, wise important. It's not as important for our Sean Jeffrey, because he's a veteran he doesn't need to necessarily have to learn the playbook at this stage. He's already knows it for guy like mile Sandra's as a little more important, especially when it comes to like picking past protections, which was weakness from college. So it's not that big of a deal, but you do want to see him there. And again, we're, we're not trying to yell at the cloud as Bill gee said, but at the same time, yeah, you want to be able to develop that chemistry between Jeffrey and went some sort will be fine with the season starts training camp starts. They'll get into the rhythm, and everything will be nice and rosy. But right now I mean I definitely would like to see them building a report with each other, because it always kinda felt like I think a lot of the fans have echoed the statement to me as well that Jeffrey and Wentz weren't as cohesive, as Jeffrey and fulls. So hopefully they can race that this season moving forward, Beal g any other notes in the offense out of the ball before we get out of here today, not really. This is the final week of OTA practice Wednesday will be the final OT practice open to the media, that's to fifth and the next week obviously begins mandatory minicamp. It'll be the eleventh in twelve those will be the really two days of practice that they have that are actual really worthwhile the last day. This'll be Thursday. The thirteenth is usually kind of just like it'd be day. It's the getaway day. It's the last day of summer, basically, for the guys, they kinda run through a light practice and then it's all over. So we'll be here with you, as always breaking it down, giving you updates. So we'll be back Wednesday with another host OT a update, hopefully things to new to go. Well Carson Wentz continues to good. You know, it's great to see you talk about this team in their upside for all the skepticism that there is out there about harsh Lewinsky. There's a good amount is decent amount. You see from people it's kinda hard and they might be like all these practices, don't mean anything. Well, I mean, that's your take like, okay, great. But, like I'm telling. He looks good. And I'm not making that up like what else am I supposed to say? Like he's like, that's what that's the reality of what it is right now, in when you see that it's hard, not to get excited about what that, optimal, what that kind of projection could be for this season. So I've been saying for a long time now that I'm much more excited for the two thousand nineteen season than I was with the two thousand eighteen season just because impart like last year felt like one big year. Now is a fresh start new year are healthy. So I'm really excited against steep only getting more excited by seeing Carson Wentz look good. So hopefully they describe that kind of positive momentum going here. I think the only thing that can derail this team. And you talked about, you know, you'll looted to last year being one long year between two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen like a bridge like this season really never got started. And they ranked thirty first in just a game loss. It doesn't feel like that this year I feel like the parade is a long time ago. Now this team has. To go out there and prove himself. So we'll keep you updated here at BGN radio. We are definitely excited for this for the eagles team entering this summer, we're gonna have tons of content for you. As I told you at the top of the show, Nukus, Solex show, new QB SCO show, another BGN radio coming to this week as they do press office will throw some at the podiums with us going to do it for us today and Bill. I've had such a problem such the awkward ending to so many these episodes because I I'm not the regular host here on BGN radio. 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Out of Season: Kathryn Scanlan & Devin Johnston

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Out of Season: Kathryn Scanlan & Devin Johnston

"I worked for the seminar coop from maybe nineteen ninety three to ninety four to two thousand on and off so In the mail room but I got that discount and that was deadly the disposable income I so many books in my twenties but right days are gone but I met a lot of good friends from working here. We'll meet poet and essays Devon Johnston in the stacks and just a bit. But let's get there by way of books. I think I'll start in biographies here the Co-op I'm Colin McDonald. And you're listening to open. Stacks the seminary COP Bookstore Bookstore podcast. The format allows you to travel forward and back in time. And you're getting several times layered happening at the same meantime. What can the measurement of a year of measurement of days? Cannon can't tell us a bigger breath for this Summer rain. It comes so nice son on looks. Good fire feels good D- in burn out on their bicycles. Vern put me a light in ceiling. put down in Verne's lungs putting up pictures blowed up cooler in Eve. The eighty six year old author or inspiration of Catherine Scandal ins auge nine fog which we just heard him part Kepler. Today we'd call a five year diary a format notes. SCANLON empowering Muser to travel forward in back in time at eighty two poet and writer may starting revisited her diary for publication a year before her death in nineteen ninety-five informer journals. She wrote. I have abided by my rule to add nothing to the days notation but when I read the typed manuscript of the Journal of the eighty second year which I had dictated I felt the strong wish to enrich it here and there with afterthoughts to make a kind of dialogue out of what had been a Soliloquy scanlon debut collection of stories the dominant animal is forthcoming the Spring but here in the midst of winter or late fall. We're listening back to last summer when scanlon join author Marzi Meyer in conversation at the co-op on her edited arranged and rearranged composite of a stranger's diary. The diary fifteen years ago uh-huh at a public estate auction it was among the unsold items. I removed it from a box on. Its way to the garbage. It looks like garbage. I am surprised that made it to the auction house that all the diary was a Christmas present to the author from her daughter and son-in-law the author wrote her full name and address on the front page she resided in small Illinois town. She was eighty six years old when she began recording in it the diary chronicles the years. Nineteen sixty eight through nineteen seventy-two each page is a calendar day divided into five sections one for that date for each of the five years. Here's a contemporary vendor of this type of diary claims. The format allows you to travel forward and back in time at first they loved only the physicality of the diary authors cramped hand the Awkward Artful Way. She felt the page I liked. It's miserable condition. It's position was tenuous your it was. I didn't try to read it. I kept it in a drawer. I I assumed it illegible but then I did read it compulsively a hunched over it straining my neck I read it front to back perhaps a dozen times by now as I read. I taped up the sentences that caught my attention then for ten in years off and on I played with the sentences I'd fold. I edited arranged and rearranged them into the composition. You find here at this point as you might expect the direst voice. Her particular use of language is firmly interactivity lodged. In my head would often I say to myself some hot night or flowers coming fast or grass shirt growing or everything looses traveling in fact I have possessed this work so thoroughly that the direst has ceased to be an entirely unique autonomous other to me. I don't picture her. I am her. The diary Harry has become something like Kim a relation who has also me myself I have at times been exasperated with it. I've wondered why continue to return into it year after year. Draft after draft. Why does it compel me? So isn't it terribly banal. Is it like a game. They come back to you because I have not mastered it. Is it some kind of sacred texts. Meant for me alone has it trained me this inexhaustible textbook textbook how to choose tort order and cut it still moves me which seems unbelievable So what was it about this book that made you feel like I wanna make something more out of what is there. I think it was something that I I didn't think about making a book from it right away. A I was going to make something visual cool with it was going to do something. Like make like blown up prints of the individual pages something like that and so the diary in the beginning was more more some things that I just liked how it looked and I would keep it in my desk drawer and then every anytime I was like working on some collages drawings or whatever just take it out and look at it and think like what I might do with it. I never really landed on anything that felt right and I think after that sort of visas Gwen I started to actually read what was in it and then wanted to do something textual with it but carrying over that same sense of freedom to use it as a found object in the way that you would use to make a collage new use it as bound text to make a a sort of textual collage. I have some other diaries and journals and things that my parents have given me over the years and eight year. None of them held my attention like this one did and I think that that was largely because of just how she wrote how she used language in her entries and when I started it'd reading it there was somebody sentences that I was startled by delighted by it was consistent and there was just something so charming about it to me and so interesting thing and it felt like she was writing with an authority but also in this kind of funny humble way and like a lot the words she used felt very arcane. Choose born in the late. Eighteen hundreds eighteen eighty one. I think I also feel like the language that she uses. Is this type of midwestern vernacular that really resonated with me. I grope less than an hour from where she lived so it felt like the sort of the language of my family or my grandmother. My great grandmother if somebody had said that they didn't want you to do it or they were concerned about it. Because there's so much talk now about like doc probation and who can tell stories and how you think you would have responded to that. Well I mean ultimately I think that I have made something new out of it that is sufficiently different from the original that it is its own artwork. Those questions shirt. It's not about them kind of this whole process over the last ten or so years that I've been working on it and I think that I just always come back to the fact that having this dire having the document it really had a a an effect on me and I really found it to be important this way. I wanted to sort sort of recreate the experience that I had encountering this thing with my book and so I felt like that made it worthwhile. How does it fit in with your writing? Practice in general obviously is very different from an assurance story or a novel for you. How is the process? If I would be stuck on a story that I was trying to write I would come to this and Edward on this. I think that the just the act of editing an isolating these sentences and words and moving them around as these kind of like concrete objects and it really helped me figure out how I wanted to new words and senses around my stories. Do you read poetry. It read some very much like it had that I mean it doesn't read like poetry more more than fiction. I mean is its own thing. It's like a collage but it calls attention to language in a way that poetry does fiction sometimes. Doesn't poetry you part of your background at all Yeah I live in a tree but I do also feel the same attention to language is possible fiction and it's should I try to give induction. Yeah Eh but definitely when I was I. Kind of conceiving this book I was reading a lot of Mary full and a little white shadow. I feel like racial tree is very it closely. Related to this may refer full. If you guys don't know who it says amazing. You mentioned a word. I found really interesting in the introduction election about the diary being garbage and I was thinking about how the text itself almost swallowed up by this this white space and it made me think about about how the white space itself sometimes CENA's garbage in in writing like we don't think about what's not a word or we don't think about like punctuation. This is this connected to the poetry thing and I was wondering how like you thought about the white space. And there's some places where you make a gap like very deliberate gap between words and and how that white space do feel like calls calls into being like the significance of the words themselves makes them like no. It's not trashed. It's not garbage. All of this stuff is really important. uh-huh yeah definitely the the decision to have so few words or sentences on each page was an attempt to give and wait to these things that may otherwise seem daily. been all kinds of regular things I find. I'm to be often the most important things at. Yeah I think giving them the space on the page like that it gives them a stage to sort of breathe exit. We're yeah and you also talk about that. The texts still moves you after. It's been fifteen years now since I got it. Yeah what do you feel like inspires that emotion when you read it. What do you know? Maybe you don't have words for I mean I think it's a lot of things it's it's the fact that the thing was sort of discarded I mean. I don't think like in any malicious way. I think that actually there wasn't really anyone to take care of it anymore. I think it had been taken care of. Because she died in the seventies someone had been carrying for this object for a while and then there was no one left and so that's part of it and just the fact that she's writing at the end of her life she's an eighty six year old woman at the beginning of it. I just feel like there's kind of an inherent poignancy about that. And yet the way that she still seemed to approach each day like really present. Nick can each day and still sort of be enjoying herself and finding pleasure I love what scanlon says about being present in each day and what better way to be present than keeping a diary the ordeal of being true to your own. Inner way must stand in high in the list of ordeals wrote. Playwright Union analysts Florida Scott Maxwell also in her eighties in the measure of my days. And listen to this it is like being in the power of someone you cannot reach no or move but who never let you go. Books can be deceiving. But as far as I know there's no rule that says only women in their eighties encourged urged journal. What might the ordeal of being true to one's own inner way sound like from the point of view of a bookseller? Here's our own bookseller. Adam Stern August eighth a customer snapped at me today. No it wasn't about me who knows what's going on in her life but still I was upset and had to take a minute to cool down. I guess that's just part of the job but I found myself thinking about it all day. My knees hurt I'm tired. What was the recommendation? I got from that customer. Who had a funny conversation with about bookmarks? Oh yes I remember that. Now we'll pick that up soon weights. I remember to close at that special special order. Damn can't remember. I wonder why get so much joy out of remembering someone's name when they come into the store probably because it makes me feel part of this community and they are too and that's a nice feeling to have all all in this together stuck with each other. I Guess Ha- but I've worked many places in working in bookstores. Unique space challenging fond of high low retail library classrooms Lonzo. I'm going to bed right now because I have to open in the morning. Yes I did close special order okay. Good good to get that. We're in this together other. which is something? I remember every time I talk with assistant manager. Elena Jones at the Co ops fron table last summer before scandals visit we measured up to the front table for a look. Get off nine fog and other books that help unwind or rearrange are increasingly quantified in an outer lives. You get these portions of days like fixing dark striped dress of moths. Maud eight good breakfast oatmeal. Poached eggs little sausage. Maude Ate Dinner. Pretty good a letter from Lloyd. Saying John died the sixteenth and so these names come and go throughout the years and very slowly very subtle story is built up. And it's it's organized by season but there's it's clear that many years are passing within each season and so this is a I mean among many anything to to look at what can the measurement of a year the measurement of days cannon can't tell us the title itself. It has that day in there. But there's no day the numbers in here it sits at this period in time but once you get into the book it's only shaped by seasons which of course are a unit of measure. But they're more expensive you you know. They're more cloudier if you will unit of measure. So it's both use zine the structure of a year the structure of the weather director of their movements to help shape this piece of art but it also expands far beyond those measurements. We have here one other that I wanted to bring our attention to it is just the front table the making of measure and the promise of Sameness by Emanuel locally maybe hyphenated name right this is just out from University of Chicago Press and we love quite dearly would it is an art. Historian is looking at kind of the emergence of a type of measurement in medieval Italy and how certain units of measure that were put out on public display in these medieval city states such that the public could then understand what the the unit of measure was instead of it just being described they're able to physically encountered in the public square that seems to lend authority to certain political structures or church structures. Because there's this idea of certainty in truth being communicated to the people that this is this is now. This is this exposes that I don't know what medieval Italian unions a measure. Where this is an Italian you even waiting years deals? The this is what say foot sounds Italian. This is this is a foot actually is. It's hard to comprehend that that knowledge wasn't publicly early available. That kind of a lay person wouldn't necessarily understand or have access to a very firm rubric of measurements. And so oh by starting to communicate this out into the Public Square. This is saying like this is certainty this is truth. This is what we will measure everything else. Against and that starts to that allows people to develop notions of like truth reality rationality and put our faith if if you will in the institutions that are telling us these things so interesting because I was reading the description. This book and I was thinking what was this is sort of liberating act when these institutions solutions were kind of bestowing these curriculums of measurement upon the masses. And I guess one way you could think of that as kind of method of liberation nation but also to think as you're saying of their own aims and being the stores are being the truth tellers this way of defining reality it's also it's also a way of building a power structure and building public faith their confidence in your own actions or knowledge so this allows for the development of things like the scientific method or notions of rational truth or the spread of trade and capitalism that there are these definite measurements that we understand and that we can rely on and that are available to a wider audience still not super wide but wider. But it also Presumably allows us to think more about Notions of justice. Equality if there's if there is a sameness if there is a rational truth that exists out there. I think it helped develop notions of equality for man if you will Some men and then I think it exposes uses that all of it is create and so it allows us to question everything that came from it. These ideas of rational truth of economic truths of abstract economic truths. You Know Elaine before regardless when I asked one kind of perfunctory question as we're talking about measurement this is always fascinated me in a never understood it. Really how do you do. You have a tool a system of of measurement to figure out how many paperbacks or hardcover books have read the front table proper. You can fit on these tables looking. It's just kind of varies by size. What's what's what's the what's the skill? Here there's a pyramid scheme and they must be aligned so we have the highest pile is both the center of the table In with and the center of the table in length and then it cascades down the east and west slopes and the north and south slopes. It's a constant. It's just a fight against nature to keep it that way. Thank you call them. Rows each week's table table and subscribe to our free weekly email newsletter at some coop dot com. Well what about language. The calls attention to itself for rather calls us as readers to attention in fiction and poetry or collage word by word measure by measure. I know of no living poet whose work more vastly enriches the present. Even when it's taking up or mulching in the past and yet as poet essayist and Co editor of Chicago's flood fled additions Devin. Johnston says he doesn't always think of the speaker as him. Well I liked him too. We spoke in the stacks of the co-op about what it means to contemporary and his sixth book poetry. Moss's listens as I understand. It's pronounced sort of record of a dialogue pose to a soliloquy starting says of courses this is a reader and admire of Johnston's work had to call attention to the man behind the moss. Part of what I WANNA do and I'm not supposed to supposed to fawn over for writers and I think it's supposed to be a little bit more objective but you one of our living great poets. WHO's paying attention to sound and form arm in ways that we just don't see often anymore so it's such an honor so I just want to just for a moment for our listeners? Just I'll read this. which is a shame? Shame we'll have you read something like that but just to get a sense of who we're talking to. So this is just an excerpt from a poem. After the fall of acres it's so close the fierce rays of the sun softened the wax bound his plumes releasing sweet fragrance. The WAX melted heat bear arms but lacking or is displaced no air and with his mouth still forming of his father's name he plunged into the sky bloom. I'm here to see the name of which derives from him. So I just want to kind of exalt exert the writing but also so I think I think exalt the rhyme of this book. I think all of your books have have worked worked clearly paying close attention giving close attention to sound and the the rhyme mostly end jammed and also and and stopped in these poems and your newest collection mosses in Lincoln's my pronouncing it right. This is how out outdoors. Both ways Americans say lichens British say legions also sound smart kid with that for. Ask the time But I I wanted to just talk about. Let's talk about sound of course but talk ecoboost rhyme and I just want to know for someone who's so adept at at internal rhyme and rime that it doesn't drive us nuts but drivers on how you think about. Yeah I. That's one of my favorite parts of bombs is and and I find. It's not easier to compose with rhyme. But easier to tell if I have it right and there's it's very satisfying to get rhymes that I'm happy with and with unrine palms which I liked to write and sometimes the poems pull themselves into an unranked direction Sometimes I'm a little more at sea so takes me longer for the home to settle but I to to write palm. I normally am writing my head rather than on the page and the rhyme kind of helps me keep up with them So I almost never write down a pom or at least a stanza until I feel like it's close to finished and then I will tinker with it but I'm kind of superstitious about not putting it down on paper before it feels like I can hear Tom So with the rhymes. Then I know if it's in rhymes I know within the lines are with other kinds of poems. End Up not sure sometimes where the lines czar. Because I don't necessarily hear it in lines. I hear it in phrases in Salads but yeah I've developed that habit for a long time time I kind of walk around my neighborhood or walk my dog or head to work and I'll sort of pick up where where I left off last time thinking about Paul and sometimes all I'm doing is repeating in my head somewhat in Ainley not the same lines that have already come up with and then sometimes I'll get one more and then I'm happy for that day Sometimes it's more than that but that's frequently. The kind of process is churning around to get the sounds right. Yeah you wrote a piece publisher g a little bit about the process of writing. And I think it's Tommy Jarrell he's of fiddler from Carolina. And you were talking about the way that His tunes in their repetition became a kind of Station for him on that. It was a place to return to when you heard that melody it kind of home base. Does that when you're using rhyme. Does it help you or or or sound general. Does it help you to stay. Stay kind of interested in the in the palm. Oh yeah yeah because that's frequently that's frequently all I'm thinking about with the poem. There's a lot. I think every poet has things that they're compulsive about or locked into and other things that they're letting go free and for me. It's normally the sound and the patterning that I'm paying attention to that I'm kind of thinking through what comes next or how. How do I get this right and sometimes I don't think it all about what the poem is doing otherwise sometimes they do? Sometimes I know what I'm doing but sometimes later have to kind of as a secondary stage in writing the poem. Think about what it means or what I might have been saying because that doesn't normally come first for me Sometimes there's a story or anecdote that's a starting place but but not since I kind of think that I really do think poems are like dreamworks that you you experience them or have them and go through the process of at them and then you can interpret them But it's hard for me to interpret them before they're they're you're building the dream dream in a awake state. Yeah Yeah Yeah which okay so for me begs the question which I don't WanNA sound offensive. I mean in a spirit of honoring. But how long does this process typically take crude question. But it's a good thing. How long does yeah? Oh it's so for me. Sometimes palm can happen in what feels like all at once it's very rare Their poems where anecdote occurs to me or something happens to me. I've written it down and normally that happens if someone had told me a story or I've experienced something rated down later realize this this is almost. There's a poem but that has only happened. It happens at most once a year every few years most of the time. When I'm writing I would say weeks sometimes months in sometimes? I have a poem that I think I've gotten right and later. I have to go back into But that process I think is happiest for me if I can extend it so as I've gotten the older I think I try harder to keep the material alive and malleable for as long as possible and to stay inside inside the poem as long as I can because I don't really like the experience of being done I then I'm just waiting to be inside the next Paul. It's sort of being inside of it. That's the greatest pleasure for me. I think in the home in the whole process but so sometimes I think I'm. I'm almost going slower than I need to. Because I'm just I'm kind of mulching you're enjoying yeah like mulching inside of it and then all of a sudden I you know I will suddenly worry that. It's it's closing down on me that it's going cold or I don't feel connected to whatever feeling or instinct started the poem and then I know that I've got to figure out a way to finish it or abandon it because you can't yeah once it's cold then it just. There's nothing left for me to do with it. Now when one thing to admire about your work is the regular either. Absence of of the first person that comes in it's very discrete. Sort of in the way is into the door and then out through the door you know but you out more often or any in the second person or third person writing about characters from blues. Whatever it is I wondered if that insertion of the second and third person helps you to admire the poems one serving as a reader yeah? I'm not sure that it's that it could could be I do think it may be temperamental. The is sort of recessed in a way a lot of the poems and I think that I think that must run deep in me And I think part of the process of writing poems is entails and escape from myself myself as much as probably going into myself so the I isn't going to be for grounded as a kind of social identity entity but I also find Pronoun so highly charged. I mean. They're so powerful that sometimes I want to try to keep them out. Keep them at bay a little bit so that I'm not over using that power in the pronouns. I guess it also has to to do with the fact that I don't think of the speaker as always me sometimes sometimes it is. Sometimes if it's me it's a you sometimes. Sometimes it's a different person. Sometimes it is genuinely a we. I have a family and so it's hard for me. Needed think of myself as two discrete. I'm always spilling over with other people spilling over onto me and vice versa. Yes So yeah it's it's pronounced get messy in that way. There's a great poet. French poet named John John. four-lane you've got one of his books on your shelf and he I came on his poems kind of late but I immediately with that year he sent. Sometimes it's like Oh some of the things I'm trying to do. I recognize here and he writes these very short poems. That are very lyrical in a sense. Wants but they've never have an eye so he always keeps keeps himself out of it but there's at the same time really intimate it feel close to experience. I think it's that quality of being close to the experience that That I want. These translations are great. This is Christopher Middleton's oh edition this genre lane. Yeah yes. So they're really. They're really beautiful. So things like like this. I love this poem. The egg the Old Lady Wipes and egg with her usual apron an ivory egg and heavy nothing to be held against it then. She looks at autumn from her little dormer window and it is like a fine picture with dimensions like a reflection election. Nothing there is out of season and a fragile egg. She's holding in her hand. It alone is new Punctuated little poems usually without a speaker there almost an old sense of France. Like you get this French landscape but at the edges of it also will always be wore some kind of violence or something that feels like a glimpse of the twentieth century. So so that combination of You know some deep traditional life with something sometimes a pastoral life with something that feels very contemporary Is is a kind of mixed that I love and fascinates many. You're getting several times layered and happening at the same time. It's always interesting on her. Writer or maker can invoke history in a way that is in the in the background and not so nor but to sort of enervate. Great Life with it you know. What is the substance of life with that moment? Yeah Yeah that's I think that's identify with that because that's the only way I can do it not. I don't think I'm up particularly historical minded person in some ways and I don't think of myself as part of history some larger sense because I'm not so it's yeah it happens at the edges And that to me is almost more fascinating than if if you were at the center of it. Yeah but the the way in which it without having to compare and contrast but there is such a field of poems right now that are so of the moment and so in response so at the center enter to send politicized event And you know what you're talking about the kind of hate temporarily of a writer like Shawn Lane. I I think that your poems generally do that too. I mean the the poems and in some ways seem most temporal. Are Those about your children or family. I think there's a poem. I'm from farfetched about playing a board game on a Saturday afternoon or Saturday morning or something anyway. Just family time on a Saturday morning and that feels sort of like charged. Temporal poem some of its of its place. Yeah I think that's the only way I can get at it I mean I think there are poets who do feel themselves and locate themselves goals in their voice and what they're writing at the center of you know large movements in history But I yeah. I'm most fascinated the ways in which life sort of goes on with those some of those events happening. At the periphery and I think that's kind of how we discover what it means to be contemporary. Like what it means to live now is not necessarily what's happening on the front page of The New York Times James it's often happening alongside despite that with that but against it. Sometimes we're living in several times at once. Saint Louis is a very nineteenth century city in many respects Our sewage system is still from the eighteen eighties. So you know I'm not sure no but we're we're partially in the eighteen eighty But you know by that Some streets are still brick. So I think you live and those kind of mult- multiple temporale and that's I think that's part of what upon can kind of mysteriously register. I get that from emily. Dickenson to Where you since at the edge of things That the civil war was happening and sometimes it comes into the poems in sometimes you can turn the palms and see how they're really responsive to that and critics have certainly done that but she's also going on thinking about other things Living and dying in other ways so Yeah you get both. I was hoping that you would just read the poem later. Tober oh yeah. Because we're hearing Leno took in late. October kids crowd the stoop backs to darkened house so close to nothing thing getting curious across a brick facade a Kestrel races to meet its shadow. mm-hmm Hawk and starling sport through all this rigging of blocks and lines counterweights Arbor's the street a theatre perset for storms. A chunk of Sycamore adorns the telephone line branch and trunk. long-gone stump a faint impression just that cylinder faintly nautical hung in a crown fair. Triple pull your chances to win. Take twenty two one no money down no faith and desire cashing out the the bartender kroons. If you see me getting smaller true bark loose closing time two boys lug a Samsonite night full of leaves across the lawn. A starling wet. Sra Thorn of beak and song gives way to sunlight on concrete So that I think the thing I like best in that poem. The chunk of Sycamore on the telephone line. I don't know if you ever see that here. But in Saint Louis sometimes when the tree is grown around the line instead of actually getting rid of the wooden entirely they just cut off. This chunk is left left on the telephone line. And then when I read about here is still there On the telephone line to block down from my house so when I pass it I always think. Oh It's nice. I got that into a poem and that feels like a sort of minor but significant accomplishment. Something local that I'd pass every day Abets recorded in a way that satisfies me Because it does I see it and it feels faintly nautical like. It's it feels like something that would be in the rigging being a ship So in that kind of always gives me some little hit of of a different place transformed my mood a a little bit. So that's that that kind of getting it. Down is is really almost to me more more satisfying than some larger accomplishment and poetry. It's a set of little personal record and at the same time I hope Saint Louis becomes becomes where this puts you in some anthology about the city. That's that one or maybe put that little poem on the Chunk of would it would be on the sidewalk sweet. You certainly don't always write about your own experience or even your your family's experience you you attribute to kind of echo echoes. In your books meeting these kinds of attributions whether they're quotes or inspirations rations on from many sources I mentioned earlier you know. Blues Artists Fiddle Artists but in the newest book. Moss's listens right. There are at least two poems after over. You are often writing after ancient Roman poets and in writing ancient Greek mythology. I wonder why what what about These these voices is a helpful place to start from so part of it. The practical part of it is that I I'm not too good with languages better with the dead ones and I can read Latin So Oh I do that kind of habitually I let it lie for a while and then pick something up again and so sometimes something comes through that I'm happy with because even reading it is sort of already a process of translating it looking words sort of coming up with a rough draft raft of something just along the way but I think also it gives me access to other kinds of experience If I'm again if I'm getting a little tired of myself I can have access to someone else or maybe a kind of compromise between me and someone else us through these translations so in it gives me sort of access to trying out possibilities that I couldn't couldn't get to on my own and gives me access to more sustained narratives that are familiar in yet take turns and also a different sensibility. I find avid difficult. Because I don't think I'm as masochistic is I've it is so so so there are difficulties. You were talking about that passage at at the end of the acres palm. Where Davis Nicholas? Were there It Chris is he's plunging into the sea in even their audit is being playful and I had a lot of trouble with that passage because he sort of playing hang on the fact that day lists. The father is a father no more. We'll call him a father but he's not a father because he doesn't yet know his son is dead. It's almost a joke in the poem but it seems really heartless in a certain way. So there's a lot to negotiate in that way but even those problems problems have sort of encountering this very different sensibility that so sh- super sharp and witty and impossibly playful with the in the Latin is It's it's a good challenge to try to bring that into the English and compromise with my own insensibility. Along the way some of the books that are sort of part of Moscow's Chins and one one is operatives metamorphosis but a particular translation. Can you tell us about this. The Arthur golden translation of fifteen sixty seven. Yes so this was Yeah this is kind of if the earliest significant translation of the poem. And it's still in the one I kind of I go back to. It's difficult Just because the English Che's now difficult the lines are really long but line by line it has sort of compacted in each line so many possibilities of what the poem is doing so it really for the translator. It's a great resource because when a translators normally forced to choose between gene possible meanings. Golding is able to choose both And sort of try them both out sometimes in the same line and so in a way. It's a it's a very It's a sort of flowering translation. That's that instead of limiting the meanings is it sort of amplats sort of yet. They they become branching and multiple So I can't sit and read it straight through very easily really But I love drifting through it or looking something up and seeing what golding does with it so anytime working on on anything an audit. I do that add And I know my English isn't going to be anything. Like his. So is his is so rich and it was this a resource for Shakespeare and many the other writers. So it's It's it's distant enough that I can sort of safely consulted without then being infected by its particular language. Ya Aw yeah for having that kind of For me it would be that kind of feeling like Oh. I'm not the scrotum screw it. I'm just going to get up here. What is it? There's the dangerous translation is sometimes you go and look up the other another translation. Think okay. It's taken care of. I don't need to do this work. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah but I wonder echoing these myths these stories do they create a kind kind of Shelter for you or a place. I guess in terms of the way you're talking about not wanting to pronounce the the I always be the lead responder in your palms is this one of the Kind of assuring ways to to pull that off to be in the background I I think so. Yeah I like the idea of Of them being something I can. I can sort of bounce other poems off of or set them in relation relation to I think of them as translations but I can be irresponsible new translations as well because they've been translated so many times before which which is one of the reasons I think I gravitate towards classics. Is that that it's easy to turn them in my own directions So so I don't have to be faithful to them. I have a certain on unreasonable. And probably blay impossible ideal. That Apoel might be almost anonymous yet. Intimate so that anyone might own unit or feel ownership of it or be able to occupy it without it being associated with me And I do you think we feel that way frequently with songs we will sing them ourselves if we if we love them and they will be something that we feel ourselves inside the Psalm. Not Thinking you know why did so and so right at this way. Or what were they saying autobiographically about themselves it flutes free of that. I think it's harder for poems to do that but I like to get as close as I can to that feeling absolutely August twelve four thirty. PM I arrive. At the Hyatt regency and begin sitting up. Setting up for an offset event is like performing a wrote but no less sacred ritual such as is moving stone from when plot to another or silent prayer except your actions appear to have meaning. It isn't obvious to passersby. Exactly why you're here. Are you early for the reading. You locked out of your room. Did you write all of these books but enough about me as I mentioned. Johnston Co edits the marvelously independent small oppressed flood editions. And we'll close this entry of open stax with the word from our portable. I E offsite bookseller Fred on the night. He sold books for flood poet. Tom Picard September fifth. Two Thousand Nineteen Collins said. He was interested in the reading tonight at the Poetry Foundation by the English poet Tampa Card. I knew within this was going to be a good evening. It was also going to be the opening of an exposition of posters photos and manuscripts more tower and abandoned medieval located in Newcastle England. That poet Tampa Card with his first wife Connie turned into a poetry reading room slash bookshop in nineteen sixty four as I was setting up our our selection of books Tampa car dressed in a white t shirt asked me if I would sell some additional items for him including postcards out of print book that he wanted to mark up by two dollars and two very rare items from the nineteen sixties for one hundred dollars each. We agreed that if any of his items sold it would be cash only and give him the money at the end of the evening. Audience was a mixture of poets publishers. Professors booksellers students. I saw my old friends Michael and Roberta who I usually run into any event dealing with Bob Dylan or at any concerts of English folk music. Michael whose English toll Tom and myself the story has one job at the nineteen seventy-two Manchester Arts Festival was to pick up Tom at the train station and deliver them to the pub with a poetry reading. What's going to be? He never found Tom but the poet somehow turned up at the pub on his own late. The point of this story is Michael. Met Roberta an American exchange student that night and for the next two years who would mail Tampa Card poems to Roberta back in the states. She was almost in tears meeting the poet again that evening after all these years I like to split poets into two categories university poets and street poets and Tom Picard. It is for sure a street poet. Someone who dropped out of school at fourteen but has a vast vocabulary he also used to run a bookstore at the Camden lock market in London. For a time I sold one rare book. Another copy was located in one of the adjacent glass cases for Tom. Some other items and gave him one hundred twenty three dollars in cash. I also twelve books through the Co.. OP He signed a book for me. Fred for Fuck Sake. Thanks for helping out tonight. Tom Picard This episode was produced by Veronica Carlin and Jackson Roach. Thanks to booksellers. Adam Stern Fred drowsy and always Elaine Jones and thanks to our guests Catherine Scallon Alan Marzi. Meyer endeavoured Johnston find their books and more on the show notes to this episode. It's Sam Coop Dot Com and read with us next time on open stacks

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"Hello and welcome to misinformation a trivia podcast for ladies and gents who who love cool trivia and sticking it to annoying teams at pop quiz. Where your hosts. I'm lauren and i'm julia. Hey hey julia. What a lovely way to start the up. Oh hey you. We don't do enough singing on the show. You to have such lovely melodious voices. Why don't you sing more often. Yeah you know. And i think i've heard that a lot like in Not just our podcast. But and other podcasts. Where people are like. Ooh i love it when the hosts sing my favorite thing and not embarrassing it. All for me as a listener is to watch to listen to somebody else sing so you know what i think. We're really going to try. And you know provide that for our listeners. Yeah i know you guys can't see us right now but i have A wine glass the size of fish bowl and then also a bowl of popcorn. Which is you know. Libya pope's favorite dinner and actually truly one of my favorites too great josh jackson. Judge doesn't get it just like i don't know a protein and a starch and i'm like nope i'm fine with bull bop gordon glass of wine. Yeah but yeah it's it's a delicious salty buttery carbohydrate plus alcohol. Yes why what's what's better than that. It's america's favorite dinner clean. So yeah it's a team. It's a theme tonight because And learning league. My very best categories television ads love. It would love the warm embrace of the The glow of the screen and the comfortable now and you know being able to the traffic all of these wonderful stories. That people are telling us across the screens. Yes tonight we are visiting my best category. We are going to sean delay and it was so so be has yes So if you don't know what i'm talking about you're in the right place tonight. We're talking about shonda rhimes. Who is like she's a total boss. Queen television absolutely all right so first. We'll talk a little bit about shonda. So shonda rhimes was born in chicago. Illinois in january nineteen seventy. She was the youngest of six children. Her mother vero was a college professor and her father. Eilly was a university administrator. And she'd said that she exhibited an early affinity for storytelling early on in her life. She attended marin catholic high school and served as a hospital volunteer which inspired an interest in hospital environments. She majored in english. And film studies at dartmouth college and she graduated in nineteen ninety-one at dartmouth the black underground theatre association. She divided her time between directing and performing in student productions and also writing fiction and after college. She moved to san francisco and worked in advertising but she moved to los angeles a little bit after that to stubby screening at the university of southern california. She was ranked top of her class at usc. And she earned the gary rosenberg writing fellowship. She obtained a master of fine arts degree from the. Us's school of cinematic arts. And while at usc rimes was hired as an intern by debra martin chase who was prominent black producer she also worked at denzel washington's company monday entertainment so after she graduated rimes was actually an unemployed script writer in hollywood and to make ends meet. She worked various jobs including as an office administrator. And then a counselor at a job center during this period rhymes worked as a research director documentary. Hank aaron chasing the dream which won the nineteen ninety-five peabody award. One thousand nine hundred. Eighty eight rhymes made a short film called blossoms. Unveils which starred. Jada pinkett smith and jeffrey rate. This is actually only credit as a film director. So that's nineteen ninety eight short film blossoms unveils new line cinema purchased a feature. Script of hers It ended up not being produced at that time but she received an assignment shortly thereafter to co write the hbo movie introducing dorothy dandridge in nineteen ninety nine which earned numerous awards further star. Halle berry. get out. I didn't realize that she colorado so interesting. Oh wait till you hear the the plethora of things that she's worked on. Oh no after grad school rhymes sold her first screenplay called human seeking same about an older black woman looking for love in the personal ads. And that film wasn't produced. But you have heard of her next project in two thousand and one rhymes wrote the debut film of pop singer. Britney spears the starring zoe saldana and taryn. Manning crossroads everybody. I didn't know that she wrote that. Get out up saying. I feel like it's been really it was really panned by the next but maybe for them. Okay no sometimes. It's it's sometimes you just want a nice story about friendship road trimming going on a road trip and having a nice time and may be hitting up a karaoke joint. Heck yeah and singing. I love rock and roll. That's all i'm saying is that maybe it's for them. I think lauren has actually seen crossroads. I have felt you know. She wrote that and then the next thing that she worked on in two thousand four was the sequel to the princess. Diaries called the princess diaries. Two royal engagement. Get out. yeah. I didn't realize that she was so like a dummy. I just assumed like shonda rhimes right out. The gate was grey's anatomy but apparently she was introduced are obsolete reduce. So she's working on all these film things in two thousand three. She actually wrote her first tv pilot. Abc it was about young female war correspondents but the network. Turn it down. You know what they didn't turn down ask project. So here's where sean hillen comes in sean. Billion is the name of rhymes production company shine million and its logo also referred to the shows that she has produced an also to rimes herself. So when we say shaun d land. It's like interchangeably sean. And her production company. Yeah and like the. Because i do remember like i think it was. Abc or nbc. I forgot what what channel she's on but it was. They were like girl a sorry But it was like thursday nights. Is sean the land. Because it was like it was like back to back to back to back shadowland shows. We'll talk about that. You have a basically they. They tried to rebrand thursdays. Like tgi. T thank goodness thursday because that its native shot in the land. I mean people are gonna watch no matter what they didn't need to need hype it up so The name shawn lane was stylized as capital s shonda capital l. Land one word from two thousand five to two thousand sixteen but since two thousand sixteen is all stylize lower case everything is lower case. It's always very recognizable font so you might often see in print as actually all lower case letters. So the sean dillon shows girl and we are going to go. I know i. I don't know why i'm saying girl. We're gonna take a shot very first show because it's such a like like a mid-2000s like ladies getting together and be like did you watch grace last night. Exactly and that's where we're starting grey's anatomy has been on the air from two thousand five to the present god. That's so if you're not familiar. The series follows the of meredith grey played bat pompeo. She's the daughter of esteem. General surgeon ellis graced and the show starts from her acceptance into the surgical residency program at the fictional seattle grace hospital. So some things to know about grey's anatomy verse off. The title is an allusion to grey's anatomy g. r. a. y. not g. r. e. y. the classic human anatomy textbook first published in eighteen fifty-eight and actually according to an interview with A later star of the show. Kate walsh said quote they kept changing the name of the show i it was called doctors and then it was called surgeons and then complications and i was like what a bullshit show. Title is the perfect title All right so for this show. Shonda is creator writer in producer. Okay ryan's considered setting the medical drama in her hometown chicago but eventually decided to go with seattle in order to distinguish anatomy from the chicago based series. Er suicide clever are in chicago. Hope two they were all set in chicago. So that's why she went to a different city. The cast has undergone major changes throughout the series ryan. As of this recording. The show is in its seventeenth season. Everybody and believe it. I can't believe grey's anatomy is the longest running scripted. Primetime show currently airing on. Abc and it is the longest scripted primetime series carried by abc as february. Twenty eight twenty nineteen. It was the longest running american. Primetime medical drama series. Damn with seventies exactly so. The original interns of the show were physicians cristina yang played by sandra. Oh izzie stevens play katherine heigl. Alex karev played by justin chambers. And georgia molly played by tr. night this is the show that has mc dreamy. Yeah that was. His nickname was attending neurosurgeon. Derek shepherd who was played by patrick dempsey ellen. Pompeo eventually get married on the show. Yada yada yada anyway ellen. Pompeo is the only cast regular to be in all seventeen season so far So they used her. So they use costumes to differentiate between insurgents who wear navy blue scrubs and residents who are light blue scrubs. I didn't realize that up i fun. Gory fact For operating room scenes. They work with cow organs. Oh okay and so. At this point in the episode. I was gonna do like lauren. I was going to do like a little tiny mini quiz for you. And i was going to ask you like. Did this happen on. Grey's anatomy every everything everything that i could come up with. That could possibly sounded fake. Has already happened on. Grace absolutely is like a fire a flood and earthquake a helicopter crash mall collapse a tunnel. Labs plane crash The ferry disaster. Somebody's face got swapped. Somebody had sex with the ghost. Somebody like everything. Everything happened on grey's anatomy. And i did you watch it. I watch it now but did you ever watch it. Yeah i watched it often on through college so like early early. Seems like maybe like the first three seasons. I would catch up same. That's about where i jumped off too. I think it was. It was actually the ferry disaster. Where i was like all right like everybody got. Sometimes you just have a boring day at the hospital right like all of our moms worked in medicine lake. Sometimes he's didn't have a story to tell yeah sometimes. It's a bunch of crotchety old people who pay himself on the bed. And that's okay. That's real life. It doesn't make for compelling television but you can't have something blow up every week exactly that's craziness but from the very beginning like grey's anatomy was just such a ratings hit for For abc that they went ahead and like right off the bat. Have a spin off everybody. Machines is to sean second show private practice which on from two thousand seven two thousand thirteen so that takes place at the seaside health and wellness center and it chronicles. The life of dr. addison. Montgomery played by walsh as she leaves seattle grace hospital in order to join a private practice located in los angeles so some things no my private practice. Throughout the series six season run private practice had a handful of crossovers with its sister. Show grey's anatomy. Obviously there characters. The kind of showed up in both places characters included violet. Turner played by amy brennaman. Naomi bennett played by audra mcdonald. Sam bed played by digs. Pete wilder played by tim daly cooper freedman paul adelstein and charlotte king played by katie strickland. In for private practice shauna was creator. Writer and producer. Again now her third shell. You know what i never heard of this one. So it wasn't. It wasn't around long off the map in twenty hossa. No i don't remember off. The map was set in a remote south american village where seven doctors search for the reasons that brought each of them to medicine. Some things about off the bat It was canceled after one episode season. Oh yeah. John was the producer only on that show so it seems like you know since it didn't have her like her fancy writing skills in there in the media. It needed them but yeah it seems that maybe people were getting a little bit of like doctor fatigue. I dunno yeah. You shock So many so many medical shows but next one we all know this one scandal. Yeah twenty. two twenty eighteen. So scandal was a seven season. Long political thriller tv series starring carey washington as livia pope. Fixer who is the head of her own crisis. Management firm olivia pope and associates also referred to often as and its staff as well as staff at the white house and surrounding political scene in washington. said things about scandal at the beginning of the show. The president of the united states is fitzgerald grant. The third played by tony goldwyn and his wife is meli grant played by bellamy young Fitz's mistress is a libya pop. So much of the first early seasons is olympia sneaking around to have sex with the president. Yeah i mean but so many of course there are so many other crazy storylines happening. I like early seasons better because there were more like case of the week. Type things like somebody hacked my account. And i'm going to you know what should i do and then. Opa comes in in their leg. We're going to dig up some dirt on these other people and we're gonna make them pay for what they did to you. I like those things it. What is they went off the rail. Yeah i like. Didn't she get like she got kidnapped. Got kidnapped and then the president. Dan old war with another three in order to get her back and turns out that her daddy lie. Pope was like the head of the secret like super secret military branch that kills people and then they were trying to kill him but then he was gonna get. It was so so much death so much murder so many people doing things like that. They really shouldn't have been doing so much cheating. So much sex everything scandal everything. You could walk in scandal so other main characters on the show besides fitz and mellie and olivia of course Captain jake ballard play by scott fully. Cyrus beene played by jeff. Perry david rosen played by joshua malina. You've abby wheelin played by darby stansfield and eli row. And pope played by joe morton and then you also have hawk whose gear modena's huck is like the real like he's the real like wacko on the show. Kind of like he's like he's former. He's former be sixteen like former used to kill people but like gets reactivated anyway. There was a really great. Snl sketch that. I can't remember right now. Who was the guest host for it but like they do a scandal episode on a scandal. Sketch on snl and it is perfect. It was like pitch perfect and so for scandal. Shonda was creator writer and producer. So again no wonder that it was a big hit a huge. Yeah next one. You've also heard of how to get away with murder. No one on earth choose scenery and spits it out and looks amazing in heels like viola davis that woman and i didn't even watch the show i just like just seeing clips of her incredible face just like acting. The shit out of the scene is oh so abso lutely so hot again. We with murder legal thriller. Starring viola davis as analysts. Keating who's a law professor at a prestigious philadelphia. University who along with five of her students becomes entwined in a murder plot so things to know about the show At the beginning of the first season annely selects five of her first year students to internet her firm they're west gibbons connor walsh michaela pratt asher millstone and laurel custodio and their later referred to as the keating five during season one. Her husband's sam's mistress gets killed and later that season. So does sam secrets ensue. In subsequent seasons now what you what you know. What you didn't know about this is viola. Davis won a primetime emmy award in two thousand fifteen portraying inle. Keating relatives has also won an academy award for fences in two thousand sixteen. And you tony. Awards for king hedley the second twenty eleven and also fences and twenty ten so she is the first black woman to achieve the triple crown of acting so basically if we can get this woman a grammy. She's got an e got all she has to do is narrated audiobook right and she's and she's got an incredible speaking voice the woman can. She probably can sing. I mean let's be yeah. She can do anything she puts her mind to. She didn't she didn't she. Go to juilliard or something like that. Like she's like full on clashes trains. She's a national treasure. As we should all worship at the feet of viola davis what i'm saying and one of the like one of the most compelling scenes that i can remember from the show and it again kind of went off the rails in the later seasons course So she's very upset. She finds out that her husband has been has been having an affair and that the girl he was having an affair with ends up dead And so there's this incredible scene where she takes off all of her makeup and she takes off her wig and she takes off her eyelashes and she's just like completely barefaced in front of the camera and nobody nobody else. Nobody else could have done that. Seen it's incredible. I love her so much. I gotta earn some movies with her in a all right lanes next show called the catch. It was only aired from two thousand sixteen to twenty seventeen so it follows alice. Von who runs a private investigation firm in l. a. in after being defrauded by her fiance. She's determined to find him between working on other cases before it ruins her career and turns out her fiancee's revealed to be a master con artist working for a high stakes international crime operation. This sounds like the kind of show. I would've really liked had i was around in twenty six or twenty so it actually it aired twenty episodes across two seasons before being cancelled in two thousand seventeen due to low ratings. I'm going to see if i could find it somewhere. Because again. All man on a private investigator who has former fiance semester con artist working for a crime. Ring twenty seventeen not a great year for sean million. We have still star crossed. Which was out in two thousand seventeen only so that was a period drama series that was created by heather mitchell based on the book of the same name by melinda tob still star-crossed and it was billed as a sequel to shakespeare's romeo and juliet Aren't they both dead. Yes they are both dead but you know who's not dead everyone else. That was in row juliette. Well other guys got killed in romeo juliet things to know about still star-crossed. It followed the deaths of romeo and juliet and align capulet is betrothed against her will to bend voglio montague and has the to try to prevent the marriage and the destruction of their warring families secret society known as the fiend attempts to depose the beleaguered prince close by inciting war between the two families and each episode's title makes a distinct reference to different shakespeare. Play so that's kind of interesting like if you looked at the list of episodes from the show you would know that it came from so star-crossed in on this show was the producer. Only i say okay. Got a couple more for the people in two thousand eighteen to twenty nineteen. This was a legal drama series set in the southern district of new york. Federal court also known as the mother court and the show was new year's both prosecutors in federal public defenders as they handle the most high profile and high stakes cases and you know their personal lives show up in their to this actually also only twenty episodes across two seasons before being canceled in twenty nineteen and this was again. China was the producer only on this and then our last. Abc show so everything. I mentioned before abc. It's like she. She was there goto. Gal we have dacian nineteen. So that's what twenty eighteen to the present. So that's that's still airing this action drama series as set and seattle and it focuses on the lives of the men and women at the seattle fire station. Nineteen so this is actually the second spin off of grey's anatomy so you might see some kind of show up in both places to so that's that's the other one besides grace anatomy. That is still airing so after that and we'll talk about this in a couple of minutes. She founded on beach not at abc anymore. Aranka you know where she's at all the money is net flicks in twenty twenty. Two mass claim we bridge or tim. Oh yeah julius trying to get me to watch bridgeton. And here's the thing something that you may or may not know about me. Is that also. My mother-in-law is trying to get me to watch burton. To yeah at julia. Made a face. Yes and it was like okay. I was like nope. Nope we're not watching bridge. Richard with your mom. I don't love sex in my tv. Shows i call me a prude. Call me a pilgrim. I just. I don't like i don't like sexy sex in my shows. I don't like it. I don't wanna see a weiner. I don't wanna see. There's the hamburger goes leaners. Well i know but the the hint of a weiner. I don't wanna watch people orgasm. And i don't have the strength or the wherewithal for it. I don't i don't care for it. i don't care for it. So i probably won't be watching bridgeton. Sorry much to my detriment. I'm sure but i didn't know shauna was involved with brigitta. And so yes. Laura china is the producer of richardson. If you are unaware of fantastic show to net flicks period drama series created by chris van deusen based on julia quinn's novel set in the competitive world of regency era. London's tone during the season when debutantes are presented at court So you things you need to know. Bridge written with a viewership of eighty two million households in its first twenty years of availability. Bridgeton has become. The most watched series on netflix ex. There were only eight episodes. One is being most watched series on netflix. I didn't know there only eight episodes hole so the show is actually narrated by dame julie andrews who voices the anonymous in every newsletter columnists known as lady whistled down. So there's a couple of families at the show follows the bridgeton family as violet dour. Recounter's birger ten. She has four sons named anthony benedict. Colin gregory. She has four. Daughters named daphne francesca. I assume across the street from uneven feathering tens who is porsche leading feathering chin husband. The baron their three daughters filibuster prudence penelope and they also have a cousin who comes to stay with them in marina thompson and season. One as eldest daughter daphne bridge and enters her first season with queen charlotte's favour she meets simon bassett duke of hastings and despite being encouraged by his mentor lady. Danbury the duke is determined not to marry bridgeton is set in a racially integrated regency era. London where people of color are members of the town with some Having titles that were granted by the sovereign. If if you like a sexy show. I'm just saying i. A friend of mine. Texted me to tell me that. The duques stings or regime. Page which i think. That's his name visual page regime page. Excuse me she said he brought her libido back from the grave and you know what bless bless. I'm so glad yes it's it's worth it's worth watching. I believe you. I believe you. Just maybe not for all elsie. Well shot l. and uses many of the same stables of actors across shows. I'm for example. Lies awhile who also played. Paris on gilmore girls. She's been on grey's anatomy private practice scandal in how to get away with murder. Get out and there have been lots of appearances of some characters on another series as you can imagine so again with grey's anatomy private practice and now see nineteen. There was also an official scandal. Slash hata get away with murder crossover episodes in two thousand eighteen Shonda rhimes has three young daughters This time harper's fourteen emerson's four and a half and beckett is two and a half and also by the way. This woman is a full media. Mogul in two thousand seventeen. Sean rhymes published the biography. Your of yes how to dance it out stand in the sun and be your own person and she did a really fantastic ted talk in two thousand sixteen about that. People share the link with everybody. So the book kennedy chronicles her moving and humorous attempts to come out of her shell by saying yes to everything that scares her in. Twenty seventeen million launched the lifestyle website. Sean delaney dot com partnership with hearst. They are quote an inclusive destination with in depth interviews emotional unrelatable essays and smart unexpected culture coverage also twenty seventeen. That's the same year. She signed her record breaking exclusively deal with netflix with some project you shells beginning to be shared by july two thousand eighteen so Since two thousand seventeen basically all of her co oliver new content has been with netflix's only so in november twenty twenty. Sean hillen released hot chocolate nutcracker which is a documentary about the debbie allen dance academy then of course on christmas. We got the lovely gift of bridgeton forthcoming projects include no ton love which is an episodic in theology series inventing anna which is a series based on jessica pressler's viral magazine article. How anna w trick new york. Your hardy which starts garner in the title role is also a series based on the two thousand ten pulitzer prize nonfiction winter. The warmth of other suns by isabel wilkerson and a series based on kate anderson brower the residents nonfiction book about what happens inside the white house from the perspective of staff like maids and butlers cooks. And i think i heard about that was going to be. That sounds like it's going to be really cool. Yes so shawna rhymes. she's won. A golden globe award has been nominated for three emmys. She's won awards from the writers. Guild of america producers guild of america directors guild of america in twenty seventeen was inducted into the television academy of arts and sciences hall of fame masterclass program for aspiring screenwriters and producers shuttle. Lynn partnered with serious fest in two thousand nineteen to launch the woman's directing mentorship which is a competition designed to discover aspiring female directors. In in january twenty twenty. It was announced that shonda rhimes partnered with media to launch. Sean lind audio is has her fingers in all of the pot skies all the pies and you know what she deserves it because she is a powerhouse. She turns out hits like nobody's business. Yes she deserves it. And now i'm going to wrap this heartfelt quote. Oh please in an interview with people magazine. December twenty twenty sean. Rhyme said quote. The only difference between a woman and an awesome woman is how a woman to finds herself. Frankly and what you choose to do with your life. Because i think if you believe yourself to be an awesome woman you are an awesome woman in general you behave as an awesome woman. If you don't believe yourself to be one then you don't. It's really about what you believe about yourself that's wonderful. She's wise worked a great role model. She really is dang well. That was great. Yeah gosh i learned so much. I had no idea. I thought she was just basically i mean just. It's still like having three hit television shows before you hit. The age of like sixty is incredible. But i didn't realize that it wasn't just you know grey's anatomy scandal and how with murder How do we get away with murder. So that's cool. Julia all right now for your quiz called error. Location not found. This is a quiz all about fictional countries in pop culture. I will name you the country and a few of its better known residents and you will tell me the media title or franchise to which they belong. Are you ready. I am ready here. We go question one g novia residents mia thermopylae clarisse marie grimaldi renaldo question tube. Zubrowka masseur gustaf h zero moustapha. An agatha question. Three gilead residents offered the commander and serena joy. Question for kanda residents not kia suri question. Five so door. Residents edward percy and sir top. Hat question six. Arendal residents oaken christoph. An honor question seven monday residents prince akeem semi king jeff question eight era residents diana entire p. and hypolito question nine florin residents physic- westley and buttercup and finally question ten bond door residents thor or ear. And farah mir give you about a minute to think about it and be back with your answers steph. Say hugh arc's say sit down smiles politely back to use their alley to see and began to ask for the first time ever. I'm feeling mazing racing about this quiz. See they're just providing some music for you guys again. The people are asking clamoring when you sing all right laid on me. So i'm naming naming like the movie the franchise or franchise to which it belongs number one know via with mia thermo poulos and clarisse. Marie rinaldi rinaldo. This is the princess diaries. You are correct. There are eleven volumes to this book series by meg cabot published between two thousand and twenty fifteen and again actually relating to rhymes in two thousand one and two thousand four two films based on the novels were produced by walt disney pictures. The princess diaries. And the princess diaries toubro engagement starring in hatheway and julie andrews treasure number two zubrowka. You had monsieur gustaf. H zero mustafa and agatha is the grand budapest hotel. absolutely it is you're correct Came out in two thousand. Fourteen is a comedy drama written and directed by wes anderson. And for more on wes anderson. Check out the twenty twenty episode of mr information three beans and rice. I forgot about that question. Three gilead you have offered commander and serena joy. Oh that's the handmaid's tale absolutely. It's a nineteen ninety-five book by margaret. Atwood set in a future new england strongly patriarchal quasi-christian totalitarian state known as gilead that has overthrown the us government among various changes in society. Women are not allowed to read write owned property handle money at sarah and they were deprived of control over their own reproductive functions. The hit hulu series starring elizabeth. Moss's off read one eight. Primetime emmy awards. I first season in two thousand seventeen. And i know you love that book. I love that book do you have you still have of okay. That's all right. I have a bunch of your books so it doesn't matter you get. I know where you live number four. What conduct with sherry in baku. that's black panther. Yes and if you haven't seen the twenty eighteen film yet we wreck. It is misinformation approved highly recommended. Yes if you haven't yet in black panther is crowned king of kanda following his father's death but he's challenged by his cousin kill monger. Who plans to abandon. The country's isolationist policies and begin a global revolution. It was the first superhero film to receive a best picture nomination and the first marvel cinematic universe film to win any academy award incredible that i wanna watch any superhero movies. But i made an exception for that one and and it was a good choice. Yes it's true all right question so door. With edward percy and sir. Top hat. I what you i said this. I was like actually gave me chills because i was like how creepy that this is like a world called so door. I don't know that really freaked me out a little bit. This thomas. the tank engine it is. Tom is the oh my god. It's freaking me out as soda. Or i don't know it just sounds like pseudo r- like we turn humans into machines. A disodium thought. It was all cheery and little eilan outside of the ban ki. I i don't know. Maybe i've just been reading too much to serbian fiction like humans are now machines. Oh engineer josh says are you confusing with sodom and gomorrah. I am not i. I may be thinking of more door. i think. that's maybe where. Yeah yes of course thomas. The tank engine or the book series was originally called the railway series. By reverend w awdry right number. Six aaron del with oaken kristof ana. I didn't see the movie. But i'm pretty sure this is frozen. You correct came out in two thousand thirteen which feels how it. That's it that sounds like a lot longer ago. Yeah it really does time. Time is moving at a weird case reno all right number seven zimin data with prince akeem semi and king jaffe. This movie i will watch if it's on. Tv three quarters of the way through. I'll watch it. This is coming to america. Correct came out in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. I watched it for the first time earlier this month. Funny lot was hysterical naked bresson. I expected to see. Yeah at two pm on a sunday but you know it's fact forgot about that. I definitely want to see the sequel. Those equa looks like it's going to be very take their word So this episode is coming out on february twenty third well just in time on march fifth twenty one the film sequel coming to number two. I'm america will be released on amazon prime video. Enjoy everybody all right number. Eight famous kierra with diana and tie appea- and hypolito. That's wonder woman it is wonder woman. thymus cara is a segregated nation of women regarded as a feminist utopia governed by afridi's law which declared that the amazons would be immortal as long as no man sets foot on their island. The dream the dream sounds like a dream. Honestly right number nine florin with fezzet westley and buttercup the princess bride. It is the princess So the book came out in nineteen seventy three by william goldman and the movie came out in nineteen seven and we actually talked a little bit more about this book in depth in episode one fifty nine once upon a time and then finally for four four the a plus for the perfect with lauren will be the second time only. I know you can do it. We have gone door with death or balmier and fair mir. that's lord of the rings. You are correct to episode. Gets a perfect score a second time. So yes lord of the rings again. In peter jackson's film lord of the rings return of the king ghandour's capital city ministerial was modeled on the monson michel watch. I didn't realize oh michelle if you don't if you're unfamiliar. That's a title island and mainland commune in normandy france. A curly has a population of thirty unesco world heritage site. It was an abbey for you know a lot of time really important stronghold To the lambs over there to a very cool place. That's on my bucket. List of places that i go Cool great yeah. Thanks great quiz. That was very good. I really enjoyed that. So we have some bonus listener symmetry and today him okay so we had a lot of fun. Be back on. Last week's ulysses s grant episode by the inevitable mafia morocco fulsome bonus info hitter inbox from listener brandy s. Who let us know that. Ellie pirker e. e. l. y. l. e. y. I think i'll say ally just because my daughter's name is ellie and to you know. Wake her up by. Saying i parker of the seneca nation happened to be a key player in ulysses s. Grant's participation in the civil war so a quick biography. Eli ask parker with seneca born in eighteen. Twenty eight on the tunnel. Wander reservation in western new york with his parents. Were prominent seneca families. His father was a miller. Anna baptist minister as well as a tunnel on a seneca chief who fought for the states in the war of eighteen twelve see episode twelve. Mr madison's were for more information on that were here. It's strongly supported education for all of their children including the girls in the family In school was fluent in english and when he was still a teenager. He was one of three seneca champion to meet with president. James k polk to discuss grievances over the sale of reservation liens to elaine. Developer is young man. Parker worked in a legal firm reading law for three years in new york and then he applied to take the bar exam but he was not permitted to take it. Because as a seneca not then considered a us citizen So you know what he got interested in something else engineering. He said at the rensselaer polytechnic institute in troy new york and he worked as a civil engineer dealing with the construction and maintenance of canals including the erie canal and parker also worked as an interpreter and diplomat for the seneca chiefs in their negotiations with the us government about and entreaty rates. And you may remember that. We touched a little bit about that recently. About i'm treaty rates with the native americans episode. One eighty four chief wilma man killer Go eighteen fifty. Seven parker received an appointment from the us treasury department to superintendent construction of customhouse and marine hospital in galena illinois and there he met ulysses grant and they became friends. The start of the civil war. Parker tried to raise a regimen of iroquois volunteers to fight for the union. But the governor turn him down. He then tried to join the union army as an engineer but was told by secretary of war. Simon cameron that. As a native american he could not join. Parker contacted his old policies s grade whose forces had a shortage of engineers. Parker was then commissioned a captain in may eighteen sixty three in order to report to brigadier general john. Eugene smith and by the time grant was commander of the military division of the mississippi. Pirker was on grants personal staff as his point. You're leader. He became grants military secretary and served at the general side. Until matic's where ally parker wrote the final draft of the confederate surrender terms completed around four pm on april ninth eighteen. Get out so great. Did not forget his friend parker when he became president because of his loyalty and impressive record. He was appointed commissioner of indian affairs. He was the first native american to ever hold that office while he did have a sad into his life. I mean oh no interested in the stock market but lost everything. In the panic of eighteen seventy three and poverty in eighteen ninety five died in connecticut and was buried in algonquin territory. But the seneca requested. His body relocated senecal in instead and his body was exhumed in eighteen ninety seven and reinterred at forest lawn cemetery in buffalo a ancestor. Red jacket was a famous seneca That's cool. That's about ally parker l. y. Apparently brandy said that they that they bonded because their nicknames were so similar yuli you will y and eli l. y. So i don't know that was super interesting and definitely a fun. Fun addition to that to last week's episode cool thanks brandy. Thanks for sending that in. Yes thank you brandy. lured and we have some plugs. We have so many plummets housekeeping so by housekeeping. First of all march is going to be a very big month for us and potentially for you or you For for the women's like it's women's history. Month wu march and i am a woman and woman a woman and julia is a woman and so we decided that for the month of march We will be donating all proceeds from our merchant shop as well as all like donations that we get from our pale account and everything and we will be donating it to the national women's law center And the national women's law center. I'm going to read a little bit about what they do The national women's law center fights for gender justice in the courts in public policy and in our society working across the issues that are central to the lives of women and girls They're also lgbtq affirming And they do incredible work and so we will be donating our money for that to to the national women's law center and we will be including like a link to their website and everything if he wanted to check that out to see where your money is going but all of our merch proceeds oliver donations for march will be going there. We'll show you the receipts. Yes we will show you the receipt so please you know when you give us money. In the month of march it will be going to a good cause instead of just you know. Little old us and our headphones and microphones and the website news with that we will. 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Thursday march eighteenth at seven pm eastern time. He will get to see both of our faces once again hosting a trivia night for museum then it is time for the memorial art gallery museum. All proceeds will go to our museum and all of our programs and you know all of our doing the good work of reaching out to our community It's ten dollars. There will be prizes so please come play All of the questions will be inspired by our works. Don't feel like it's going to be all history all the time because it's going to be a nice mix of a bunch of different things we're going gonna be posting links for the tickets on our social needs but If you are not on twitter or facebook good for you first of all and secondly you can just go to the memorial gallery website. Which is meg dot rochester dot. Edu that's m. g. dot rochester dot edu. And if you click on our events it should be up there. that's smart. I never thought about what happens. If you don't wanna go on the social media everybody hates. Everybody hates if you can't make it to thursday march eighteenth. Don't worry there might be another one coming around the corner in will talk more about that later. We are starting our own many media empire here in new york no money but we help all of the museums in town exactly. Yeah i mean that's what we do. We're philanthropists. I would say we should really put that on our business cards. I think so. I mean i could get a tax break at the very least also one last plug my book. Five hundred patterns By me and my co author. Jeffrey mayor and todd connor. That will be Being released on march twenty. Third as well if you want a fun inspirational book about fabric patterns and cool information about the history of different kinds of fabric patterns and it's kind of Police in the zeitgeist of what's going on during the art deco period or the victorian period and all sorts of things It's a cool book. I really love it. Great photography march twenty third. 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The Sandlot  Scott Evans Interview (Special Episode)

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The Sandlot Scott Evans Interview (Special Episode)

"<music> all right welcome to another episode of piecing together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it but today on the show we're doing a special episode is going to be a little different from any of our other previous episodes. We are interviewing someone who you probably have heard of but maybe you didn't really know his name or the fact act that this was his story. His name is Scott Evans. He's got a new book out called Pacoima days and he is the character that went over the wall to find that baseball in the sandlot he was going to be see here in Vegas at my friend Sean Lanes Bar no regrets to do a book signing and she said Hey you WanNa talk to Scott Evans and I was like yeah. That sounds awesome. Why not let's do this? That sounds like it would be a really fun time and and we did it. We had a great conversation about about movies about what he's been up to ever since the days of the Sandlot and about where sports movies have gone because quite frankly I just had this conversation with my Buddy Q. Hugh <hes> they're not many sports movies anymore and obviously I'm not a big sports guy but <hes> is a good question where of all the sports movies gone so <hes> yeah we get into a whole bunch of stuff in this conversation and we do tie it into the whole piecing together other theme of talking about inspirations and all that so we will absolutely get into some of that and aside from that. I hope you enjoyed this conversation and I'm hoping to do a lot more special episodes like this where we just talked to either filmmakers L. makers or other interesting people about things related to the inspirations behind movies but maybe in a different kind of angle. I think this turned out really great so let's jump into it right cool so we've got with a Scott Evans Scott how you doing man doing really well great to see you great to be the air conditioning hundred six degrees when I parked my car today. That's the number one reason to have nice. Mike's when you're doing podcasts as you could keep air conditioning rolling just stayed nice and cool. I'll doing this stuff yeah absolutely well. There's going to be a fun conversation. This is definitely a little different from our usual format of looking looking at new movies and what inspired him but you know when our mutual friend Sean suggested I was like that sounds like it's going to be a really fun. Conversation Sean is a champ. We've been friends for many many many many years did she did a dollar P._R.. For Ace Ventura three junior yeah from my brother he directed that movie and then she did a permit for me. Two thousand seven called pass it on it was just a motivational inspirational movie <hes> like the unofficial sequel to the Secret Okay divisional movie and it went off the charts and ever since <hes> Sean I have been great friends and so I was with earlier today so here we ice right on right on well. Why don't we jumping first things I have you tell some of the listeners who you are and what it is that you do all right starving beginning? Yes March twenty nine hundred sixty five. I was born. Oh okay anyway goonies reference anyway so Scott Heavens. No I cut my teeth on inventing many many years ago had three products on the biggest loser television show and I was in the first before that of course high school before that and then during those years my brother decided to take an event that happened in our childhood and write a movie called the Sandlot and so that's a real story my <hes> so I at eight years old forty six years ago I jumped over a fence a block wall actually <hes> to get a baseball back because the game had to go on yeah and I- pickled the beast literally and then got taken to the hospital after the beast gut done with me and so on and then I got married had a couple of kids I've got five grandkids and then my brothers said you know what I'm going to write a nother story about our childhood uh-huh with Kim before the Sandlot but something that is a pretty cool story called Radio Flier cure and that was about two brothers trying to escape a just a treacherous horrible alcoholic stepfather much darker Barker Story. Yes and a lot of people ask what happened to bobby when he flew away in that wagon <hes> well the truth is we really did build a flying wagon. It didn't fly very far farther than the Wright brothers though sure for longer period the time but I'm the younger brother. I'm bobby who flew away in the wagon. So one of the things is that's interesting to people is to actually I'm lucky guy live in a hill above the Rosebowl in Pasadena California but sometimes people want to know wow what happened to bobby well. I'm bobby and I'm sitting you know three feet from you doing this podcast and everything turned out pretty well a lot of hassles and struggles along the way but here I am I live on royalties and book sales and products on the biggest loser T._v.. Show yeah finished products so yeah so it's one of those fast and loose kind of lives but that's what I do certainly interesting interesting life and I mean honestly leading up to our conversation. I didn't get a chance to REWATCH radio flier. It's been awhile but I did rewatch the Sanli and it was my first time watching it in a while but oh my God does it. It just all comeback. It's like that movie is just so ingrained you know and that story being your story at the must be wild. It is wild and for C.. Twenty last year was the twenty fifth anniversary of the Sandlot on in my brothers stead because he was busy with the T._v.. Show for the Sandlot for Disney plus and then the Prequel a movie of the San Lot for Fox Disney owns Fox all that but anyway I went and his stead and I gave a talk doc and nobody knew that it was a real friends and family new sure but nobody really knew that was an actual story though as an fantasy baseball football basketball everybody felt like they were one of the players is in that movie <hes> and so people started asking is this real yeah and now I can go out and say yes it Israel so the twenty fifth anniversary on the actual Sandlot in Salt Lake City Utah in Glendale L. Area of Salt Lake City Utah. There was a twenty fifth anniversary and I went and I went on stage and I brought some buddies in the whole the whole cast was there which is very cool twenty five three thousand people showed up to watch the you know the movie movie on the big screen and I thought it was a big event and I had my Buddy Nathan Osmond who I've written songs with. I see your platinum records on the wall here exist. I'm exposing you on the Music Yeah so Nathan and I have written a few songs together and that's very cool. I brought him because he lives in Utah and <hes> he saying you know the national anthem. It was very very cool and it's not a humbling thing but it's awkward to experience people's nls experiences <hes> they don't WanNa come up to you and talk to you yeah but here I am. I mean just come and talk to me sure so yeah so it's been it's been an interesting since I guess June sixteen last year. It's been a really interesting interesting point of exposure for me sure well. My first question is going to be you know going into the book. Pajama days was that the impetus then the the twenty fifth anniversary coming up and then realizing that people don't know the story it wasn't the impetus definitely definitely put a spark under my ass. We could cost right sure shit anyways so yeah so <hes> because I've been writing this four probably well. We've all been right in our own stories for years right sure but this book in particular has been three or four years and then I gave it to the structural editor and she did a bang-up job. People are going nuts. That's about this book now. It's not because it's my book I give her all the credit because I can tell a story I can read a story. I lecture imprisons. I Lecture I give you know coaching to corporate corporate world but it's different to write something that people can read and really engage with sure so in the last eight months. It's been eight months and that's what I guess. The short answer is yeah took eight months to get this thing in book form the one a handed you before we sat down yeah absolutely that's awesome and it just came out last month. Is that may okay may July. It may be up right on and so now you're you're out. There does does this takeover then <hes> promoting the book <hes> you just out there on a constant stream of promotion. I'm on the road all the time yeah. I have a house like I said in Pasadena California but the Rosebowl I've got two boys and five grandkids in Boise Idaho <hes> <hes> springs Colorado Springs Colorado. I've got an apartment in Aspen Colorado and my brother lived my brother. My mom live on east coast of Florida undisclosed island shore and uh so I'm always on the road. I prefer to drive so now here. We are in Las Vegas. Yeah I drove here and then my next stop is Aspen and that's another book signing so for the most part I either stay home or yeah. I guess that's it or I'm promoting something yeah or out speaking again prisons or you know given a corporate talks so inventing has been one of the big things you've that's been a big part of your life since the time of the Sandlot and all that how did that come about exactly well I had a Gr- when I went to the air force out of high school. I had a great mechanical aptitude because they test you for your aptitude and where to place you want to get out of the air force. I hooked up with awkwardly a high school sweetheart. <hes> wasn't a sweetheart but we met again and then I started building stuff and I became an air conditioning contractor. I just did the everybody's story. That's the cool thing about the book is everybody's story. So then got divorced. My kids moved away to Idaho and then I started building stuff. I had a few chiropractor buddies said hey do you have a can you build something that does this <hes> and I said okay so I built something to did that. And then I started going to infomercial conferences in Las Vegas Yeah and then I built what amounts to I think the body Bo this was my big coming out product so to speak it was called the body bow and it was essentially a portable hand-held bowflex <hes> and it sold million units in like nine or ten in months put me on the map yeah and then I built and launched probably five or six other products and yeah and I just something that built stuff so I'm curious. Are there other people from the world all the film who became inventors. I don't know I that's an interesting. I don't know I know that there are people in the world of film and Literature <hes> that I know personally their friends or friends of friends and they asked me hey. Can you do this this. Can you do that so why I suppose I can do anything sure but so yeah so they're always I guess that it's that creative not gene but that creative drive yeah so from that perspective ativity is exists in so many different <music> areas and you know I guess there's a million different ways to really approaches yeah well so like I mentioned your platinum records in the wall here to my right to your left I I should tell the listeners. It's not technically my platinum record. I worked the album as A. Yeah promoter but I am a song writers. Oh and I've had a little bit of successful. I'm sorry drawing. You know what's funny is I was in Boise Idaho. Doing a conference for one of my fitness is products at bodybuilding dot com <hes> which is up in Meridian Idaho and there was a product that I was taking into the biggest loser television show which was out in Malibu California anyway in that area less Virginis ranch anyway ensure and coming down and I said you know what I have a facebook friend named Nathan Osmond <hes> and part of the Sandlot the Carnival scene was filmed filmed in American fork Utah Okay and that's about the fifteen like everything is in Utah Yeah and I the message him he called me back and we sat and we cut three songs and the Osmond's is recording studio Nice Nice one of them we had we had written previous but the other two we sat and <hes> just a cheap plug. I don't get anything from it but everybody else will when they listened to Little Big Man Nathan Osmond it's just really good song and we just hit it off and we've been friends for Gosh I dunno eight or ten years and he goes to my events. I go to his events and we just have a great time at it so I think the creativity bug if one chooses to say you know what I'm gonNA write a book. I'm gonNA write a song. I'm going to have to play the guitar or whatever it is. Yeah I would just say do it. There's your motivational minute. I I couldn't agree more with that statement because people ask me all the time. I've been a musician for many many years and I've been doing this podcasting for a couple years now and I'm just like just do things. Just keep doing things you know. I think that's important by two boys do that. It's like okay what I what do I go. What am I going to do that? I said well I just do something exactly do something well. I WANNA I wanNA talk about the Sandlot a little more but I I wanted to ask you in in navigating your way you know obviously a winding career and going through inventing venting and public speaking and everything was doing more things in the world of film a thing that was a major interest for you or that's more your brother was more interested in that so early on <hes> see that's a good question so early on after my brother when he got out of college he came to live with me my wife and my pregnant wife and my first son and then my second son he said. Can I come to stay with you guys for like three weeks on Oh by the way a German shepherd okay and that's a plus in my book with that doesn't matter so three years later he sells radio flier and I'm the younger brother by two and half years. I'm not jealous sort anything like that but when you're younger it's like Oh maybe I can do that. <hes> so I endeavored to write four screenplays <hes> all fiction never sold one of them because I did it for a vanity vanity project sure didn't do it to sell them interestingly things you do ten years ago are things you can bring to the four and say oh like songs. Wow recorded this ten years ago and now it's interesting to somebody same thing with the earlier screenplays I wrote and I did those because well if he could do it. I can do it chore and that's that's frankly how how that went and I've been I mean I've been writing. I write textbooks for prison programs and four of them. I don't keep doing it but I did four of them and it works out and I just like putting my hands on a keyboard sure I just like doing that and <hes> so yeah so I did that I <hes> and uh two of those are being made in are being worked from a screenplay into novels which is very very cool so he yeah and <hes> you know I guess the messages again. Just sit down and write at something. Keep making things. Just keep making them so yeah. I do WanNa talk about the Sandlot a little bit like I said I hadn't watched radio flier very recently but the satellite did just recently watch I wanted to kind of focus more on that one and with the regular focus of our show looking at movies at inspired movies or movies that were inspired by movies and so I wanted to talk a little bit about the sandlot first of all on about any movies previously sleep that maybe we're in you guys minds while you're working on this anything that was like Oh that's cool how they did that. You know so some of the early ones like <hes> stand by me sure yeah. That's one into my mind just perfect just perfectly done yeah yeah. I think the bigger I think outside of all the stories being true in the San Lot. I think the bigger thing outside of movies <hes> were T._v.. Shows the wonder years. Maybe wonder man maybe but even earlier <music> okay. I think I'm a little older than you sure okay flipper no okay right button sandy so those sorts of things and then twilight zone the very last episode of that yeah I guess kind of like a family friendly twilight zone episode or some kind of you know how can fin all that stuff as far as movies go. I think that I think the drive was twofold. One on whatever the impressions were from the standby me's not goonies but the goonies was cool sure I think the big drive was to just to connect with whatever movie was nostalgia and Americana <hes> Yeah Yeah because nostalgia definition really is to be brought back to something absolutely and that just happened just struck a nerve. Oh yeah just struck a nerve and of course we saw Sinbad and the seven whatever's <hes> we saw all those crazy claymation or whatever those movies and we would go and go and go and we <hes> you know a bunch of the early Disney movies the two bears <hes> two brothers at turned into bears and and my brother and I were those two brothers yeah we were sitting in the seats right so I think those impressions were I think those had a lot to do with how this movie turned out because it strikes such a cord when people will say Oh wow that may not have been my life but they start looking back and going through the photo albums sure so it's that again Americana that nostalgia that it creates this need not just a desire but a need for people to say I want to go back and look at what happened on that road trip in nineteen seventy five back east shore and they get all goose bumpy and emotional when they start re connecting with their family. They're like I did with my a fifth grade teacher very what Nick by look them up on Google and we have lunch every month nice yeah so I think it was a manifold but I think it was the the sneaking into theaters and the T._v.. Shows sure absolutely yeah. I think nostalgia is just such a major theme of this movie. It's like it's it's in. I'm GonNa Talk About Sports. Movies movies a little later as well but I think almost as much as it's known for being a you know just like such a huge baseball movie. It's also just such a huge nostalgia movie. Almost I would say equally well. It is and again because people people can step into that space and time that place in time yeah. It's it's taught amorphous but it's everybody so it's funny so people say well. What are you going to? What do you expect people to get out of my book Doc <hes> well? I don't know but what I do know is everybody lived in back in the seventies because this is the book is set against and I can't tell you what network but the streaming platform that's going to turn this book into a series yeah to see season series it set against the nineteen seventies in San Fernando Valley but the thing to keep in mind lead at that time in the seventies. Everybody had a white front department store in their neighborhood. Everybody had a drive through dairy whether it was Elta diener or whatever right everybody had the the carnival level in the department store parking lot yeah. Everybody had these things. Everybody's Mom and dad were floating checks at the local grocery store because it took a week for the check declare right well. He's my family did everybody had a municipal municipal airport and and they were watching planes take off every minute and land every two minutes and that's one of the reasons why oh and by the way and everybody was able to lay off fireworks in their front yard short shaw at the park like in the Sandlot. Everybody had that back in the seventies now we don't have those things unless you're out in the rural areas right Nebraska Kansas Iowa Illinois. Wherever yeah so? I think that's a big part of what connects with people in the cool thing is this when I go talk to schools middle schools high schools the feedback I get takes about a week or two because all the kids go home to the parents who aren't baby boomers but a a little younger than me and you but their parents validate everything about these stories right kids. Oh my gosh that happened so yeah. I guess that's the medium range answer to your question yeah yeah well. You Know Oh you were just talking about things that there aren't any more necessarily for like the general general population. This is a kind of a tangent a little bit but I would just having a conversation with a friend the other day about how there's not got a lot of sports movies anymore and I'm myself not a big sports guy. But of course I was always the odd man out when it comes to everybody's a sports guy for the most part. Do you notice that there's not a lot of sports movies. Nowadays like it doesn't seem to be see the thing anymore there are not although I hear space jam tubes coming up Ooh that sports movie. I don't know I'm not basketball. I don't know know yet so I don't know if it's something that just can't be done anymore because field L. A. Dreams the final season. My brother directed which was just a great movie and then of course the Santa. I don't know if there's yet a new story to tell. I don't know yeah yeah 'cause trying to find something new. That isn't just a retread. <hes> you know we've seen some amazing stories about you know the team. You know winning over the big big bad. Had you know awesome team that they can't win against they'll have to train and everything I mean there's so many of those classic sports stories that have been done so many times so I mean that is definitely part of it and I think there's also just <hes> you know it's just there's a little bit of a different time. I guess well it is and then my gal she. She's not in the sports at all <hes> which is fine but I had to like twister arm to watch moneyball no yeah yeah it was not a sports moving right all right. What a great movie? Oh yeah really good but not as sports movie <hes> but kind of is kind of isn't right so it but it's so I think there's going to be more of that kind of approach <hes> especially with some of the whatever politics or whatever the social mores are as regards how you communicate about and with people when it comes to sports yeah. I think there's going to be especially for you know. You can't call a basketball team owner her owner anymore. There's going to be some of the there's going to be other movies that are tangentially sports shore or peripherally but it but I don't I that's a good question. I don't know I think another another aspect of it is. There's is like a kind of a fear of being sincere nowadays. Everything's got that like ironic detachment and whatnot which to to to really to have that you know the memory of the team to be together and everything being in like that being so important and all that stuff. I think that's part of it. Too is like people are just kind of scared to show sincerity I fully agree and. I'm a pretty open authentic sincere guy. I got my family life. That's like me and mine other than that. I find it very freeing to walk into a state later Federal Prison and talk to bank fraud guys to Jordan Belfort who I was in one of my classes smarter than me but he needed time out of the yard off the yard you know sure but I just find it freeing. Some people don't because they don't want to expose themselves right and I think that's part of it. I'm GonNa Psychology degree but I'm not qualified to you know to diagnose anybody sitting here but I think it's very for me very freeing. I think things are good word for it yeah. I think it's and I think people should do that again. That's why I wrote this book and I think that's a big reason why though my brother it'd be hard pressed to admit it and I'm not speaking out of school because he and I spoke three times today we speak twice a day. Sometimes Times a day. I think that was one of the I think it was more Cathartic for him than anything and I think that that's part of the reason some people right some of the things right and I think that's some of the reasons why movies have legs and become evergreens <hes> like the sandlot sure it's just Cathartic for people to sit and watch yeah yeah yeah even the good times bring turns to your is sure absolutely well back to the Sandlot <hes> we were talking a little bit about movies that inspired <hes> owner talk about a little bit some movies that have come since that you kind of felt some of that sandlot style influence on you know <hes> the first thing I I thought of is not just one movie but it's kind of like the whole Judd appetito aesthetic of just you know a group of guys who all you know. There's the <hes> funny one. There's the Geeky one as the you know the tough one is the one that's good with girls or whatever you know <hes> and just so much comedy out of their friendship and they're like really it creates like a <hes> an atmosphere of just you know realistic friendship and I think that those movies had to look back at things like the sandlot right and those movies just think about this right. You can't write that unless issue lived that great right so those bonds that you made early on and then revisit years later you can't. I guess you can't make it up. I mean just say at this what you can't make that up. Iraq right can't make that shut up absolutely so those bonds now by the way it maybe a factionalized version <hes> you're taking nonfiction people and events show and then making a fiction work out of it. It may be factionalized but you you can't make up the incidents you just again you can but they don't have the same impact right so yeah so that group of guys so my brothers famous for saying and some of his interviews when I went over the fence and I came back over the fence of the dog beat me or eight my leg took a big chunk out of my leg I still I'm walking onto feet and and I got the ball and came came back and you know he here's a little trivia. He wasn't even there when that happened. Oh Yeah but all of the kids were bullies and he need needed to make it good in his head. I guess that he was GonNa make them all superstars sure he claims to have told them and I know he did and then he knows he didn't and I'm this. Is You got the first. This is the first time I've said this on a show you know he he says I'm GonNa make you all famous. Even though you're a bunch of bullies now they were all bullies yeah absolutely they would beat us up and they would trip our bikes up and everything and they taunted me to go into the backyard to get the ball knowing there was a dog there and then when I got the top of the wall I knew there was a dog then when I landed the dog was chained up and then of course broke its chain and caught me but I guess this <music> stories always in the mind of the storyteller sure sure so then on on the radio flier. Tom Hanks at at the end of the of the movie when the kids kids are sitting at the airport and the Municipal Airport <hes> he says now. Do you know what I mean by histories in the mind of the storyteller whatever the word was we're so that's really what it is so we can conflict all kinds of things in our childhood but with satellite in particular they're just found a way to make everything okay very traumatic experience absolutely absolutely and I mean so traumatic experience did did it ever affect your love of dogs because I'm a big dog guy so no matter of fact. I'm not a cat person. I'm allergic to cats. That's okay. There's two walking around here. Hopefully they're not I took claritin okay earlier today but no no. I've always been good with dogs. I mean there may have been a couple of times over the years. If I heard a Russell in the bushes street sure but no for the most part I'm like okay dogs rule and I love how they did the dog by going back and watching that movie I love how they did it with a mixture of you Geno stop motion or you know puppetry or whatever rail dog yeah as awesome so back to the book you said that there there is some movement on bringing some of this screen. Yes yeah June sixteen last year so let's date this podcast two thousand eighteen yeah sure the twenty fifth anniversary and we were dodger stadium <hes> for <hes> and we had a when I was a guest of Fox Sports M._L._B.. <hes> and I walked in to the sweet a couple of buddies air. I Air Force roommate. <hes> Larry Goldfinger Las Vegas Native Nice. I'M GONNA have Sushi with them later today and his wife so they came in state at the House and we went to dodger stadium because I didn't have any anyone else to take my gals not sports fan so walk into the sweet up on the press row or whatever it is and dodger dogs for days beer and wine and very expensive alcohol though yeah bear in mind was free bottle. Vodka was one hundred bucks. I'm sure so we said that noise we had the bears anyway and a lady walked up to me. Now see I had never met and nobody knew before I got the dodgers stadium that this this was a real story except for a view very close people friends and family and maybe one or two people on the production years ago. Nobody knew nobody newsreel story. Let alone knew that I was the guy that went over the fence that inspired this movie The sandlot sure so this lady walks to me very sweet lady. I've become very good friends with and she has an amazing husband. Her name is Kathleen and she produced the Sandlot. I'd never seen it before. She had never seen me yeah and my hair is short now but it was like yours back then and she said you must be Scott. I said we will yes. I am and he says I want to thank you for inspiring aspiring movie. I could produce said okay so okay. I was like not speeches because I'm selling clearly not speechless sure I said well. My Mom taught me to be polite so I want to thank you for producing a movie. I I never knew I would have ever inspired right and she says hold on a second and she calls to her husband. I won't give his name easy to find out but he produced all the Jason Bourne movies and four of the six or whatever Jurassic Park movies <hes> and he comes up and he says Oh very nice to meet you. What kind of dog was it was? A name really was Hercules but it was a German Shepherd Doberman pincer mix. Where did it bite you well right here because I had short showed I got this big silver dollar size scar still and when I tand because I always tan it shows up even better you know little keepsake anyway so it was so he was like oh they went back to his Nachos and beer and then Kathleen and I talked and I said Hey listen you know I've got this book and as being edited and I WANNA walk this into clearly everybody wants to go to Netflix Amazon or whatever I said I wanNA walk this in two x company and she says we'll send me a galley yeah so email the first half of the book and then went out to her house on a very nice place on the West Coast of California very nice place <hes> they fed me <hes> I don't eat bread but I did toasted bread with Avocado and Cherry tomatoes and Tuna Sashimi from the tuna that he caught that morning with his buddies in Ventura Yeah so like I was just out there hanging out and that's what they do so I figured I'll just do what they do so then I we she and I stayed in touch and then a month later we went out back out to Malibu Malibu area and we we had lunch at a restaurant and brought my gal with me because she's my editor my Gal and <hes> Lo and behold you're holding the book just gave it to you and <hes> and now that's <hes> she's the she's GonNa? She's going to be the producer on this the T._v.. Show and my brother is going to be one of the writers. He and I are GONNA write it. <hes> he's GonNa be the director. I'll direct one or two just to get my feet what I've never directed anything nice but yeah so we're going to get it together and that's exciting. Oh Yeah it's very very cool so yeah and I again. It's just that determination perseverance here all of these motivational speakers. I guess the real point is just just to do something. Everything is people. I wouldn't be sitting with you right now if Sean they weren't the best of friends sure I mean the best of friends yeah so you just gotTa meet people absolutely without an agenda yeah that's I. I think that is absolutely sound advice in in this industry or any industry really I mean it's it's really important to just be personable and just be out there. You know constantly and that's what I do. You know my gal says one thing I hate about you. Scott is what I headed about my dad. If you walk into a room and you start talking story and everybody gathers around well I I what I do. That's what you do well speaking of stories. I have one more question for you about the book and then we'll we'll wrap. This thing up is is there. <hes> you know one of or one of many stories in the book that to you with this you know becoming <hes> you know getting adapted to the screen. Is there a story in there. That just feels cinematic to you something that you just can't wait to see onscreen screen. Yes short answer. Yes okay. Here's your medium answer. Okay medium is good well by the way on page. One twenty nine of that book is where I rick because it's pretty much chronological from nine hundred sixty five in the nineteen seventy five and the second book goes from seventy five or six to present time and then page one twenty nine one twenty nine is the origin story of the Sandlot how would actually actually happened <hes> now having said that I did play baseball little league my brother and I did and I was picked out of a hat of names in our little league and we were able to play a team called the Hollywood when they were. Well not the bad word is Hollywood. shorties is the name of they're a team that much of back then they were midgets <hes> now. I don't know little people right okay so the Hollywood shorties they used to play pro teams and college teams in basketball they would show up all promotional stuff and a lot of these guys went on to be in the under the rainbow which was a movie back in the early eighties a bunch of little people getting into the whole movies okay. It's actually a pretty cool pretty cool watch interesting yeah and they would go around and promote themselves and they did a promotional tour for little leagues around the country or at least in California but I think around the country and they a Hollywood shorties and they came to play our little league and I was one of the nine or ten or twelve kids that were names were polenta the hat literally out of a hat and give you the punchline in a second anyway okay so I was I was pitching and I was winding up to throw a pitch to this guy that was shorter than me because they were little people sure and out of the dugout from thirteen. Somebody runs the first base and I look over because it caught my eye. Yeah you can't do that so I wind up again to throw a pitch any runs not by way of second base but directly in a straight line from I two third base okay you can't do this. I saw walking towards them in and out of the dugout comes their manager another short guy with those big like yellow clown sunglasses on the fair right yeah and he starts parts chest bumping me. I'm like okay so that went on for a little while and that was fun. It was funny and then next inning or next couple of innings I was up to bat and I listened very well to coaching I through my hips forward. I swung the bat and I hit this ball was pitch to write feel right Centerfield and hit the wall and and these this this was all we didn't know it was a goof because we didn't know what that meant back then sure we thought it was real game and these guys on these Satan the book on these little like bag size legs were running around the back around the ball A. and outfield trying to get the ball and throw it to get me out and I'm like Oh my gosh. I'm ready to around third. I'm going to get inside the park home run right and this is one of their signature moves the whole team that was in that area they get into like a three point stance and they block you like a defensive or offensive line and football and you can't get by him and I didn't know that was what was going on so I backed up and and I said okay I'll take a triple yeah now. I walked home now. This is just something just for listeners and just as for how meaningful some of these stories and some of our lives stories are in the book I write. I say you know I watched home that day because my parents weren't there how can that be well back in the seventies people working two or three jobs sure and my mom read the book and she and I are very very close and she says no I was there. I just didn't take any pictures I said okay so I right I said end the Chapter I write says well my oldest full disclosure mold transparency. My mom says she was there but bat game and walking home that damn a uniform and my clumsy cleats and my my glove oversized glove yeah it was like <hes> it felt like any other game because nobody was there to support me uh-huh but I'm here to say and full disclosure. My mom says he was there. I believe her because something like that she would not have missed yeah and I wish there were more fun times like that for people and maybe there are and I would say take a lot of pictures and video audio. You'll have phones in our pockets. Absolutely it's easier than ever to make sure you're getting pictures of those thing yeah and then of course I know it's I I won't go into it but are back east are road trip back east without the crazy alcoholic stepfather. A father was an amazing amazing trip so yeah it was but I think the halibut short is the most fun chapter in that yeah well wait a second then we had fourteen Saint Bernard puppies. The the point is there are a lot of fun stories that to me right. There is a perfect like cell right there like wait a minute. There's fourteen Saint Bernard puppies. Leave him wanting to know more about that. Go to is the Hollywood shorty's behind. Go wait a second. That's good ones and on the back of that book. I think are is a picture of the Saint Bernards in some of the puppies so anyway yeah. It's just all fun right on well so you're out. There are doing these book signings now. You've got one here in Vegas coming up this. No regrets bar mutual friend of ours Shawn Lane unbelievably wonderful beautiful person she has no regrets bar and we're doing on Saturday. What's funny funny as at one o'clock we do a talk? My brother's going to skype in <hes> from Florida. We're going to talk for about an hour and a half for the film students that are doing summer school at U._n._l._v.. <hes> that's going to be cool and then at and we'll have a break. We're a little bit of press and then at four thirty the book signing happens and there's going to be a lot very cool people. There can't disclose any names because I'm not sure if they've all confirmed but it's going to be fun and and <hes> going to give another separate talk about the book and about storytelling and stuff and then yeah we sign <hes> till about six thirty seven o'clock and <hes> you know it's a it's a private dining room adjacent to the bar and has plenty of food and and <hes> bar stuff read alcohol sounds awesome minute a great place of course and I'm going to try to stop by have other podcasts things to do but I'm hoping to be able to at least stop by for a little bit so we'll we'll be there right <music> on well Scott. This was a lot of fun talking to you any any last words for our listeners here about the booker anything well. I would just say a as dot com. Today's dot com is the website and or just Amazon Dot Com and you can buy the book of you can't make it to the book signing and or if you if you buy it on my website then you say I you know you sign one and I'll sign it and send it out and it's yeah it's three hundred ninety three pages of just really yummy yummy storytelling and good stuff so days dot com <hes> we're going to be at no regrets bar on Saturday and <hes> yeah I guess that or Amazon on Dot Com Oklahoma Days in the book section so that's that's your plug awesome great. Yes earplug well right on. Thank you so much for doing this. As a lot of fun man died great to see you and what a cool place you have here <music>. This is Jay in Richard V._C._R.. 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Potty Training During The Pandemic With Momma and Actress Katie Lowes

Mom Brain

48:55 min | 8 months ago

Potty Training During The Pandemic With Momma and Actress Katie Lowes

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Welcome back to mom brain I'm Daphne and Larrea and today's guest is a fun. When you guys. We are talking to actress, director and podcast or Katie Lowes of this'll be one of those girl. Talk episodes that I think will be the flaps. Definitely, some some hilarious. Mom Moments some potty training discussions I'm sure and definitely some deep dives into what it's like to become a new Mama and and find that tribe of moms that make you feel like you're not crazy we're. GonNa get real about about mom, guilt and balancing work. This is a conversation that so many of us need to have again and again and again because every single day we realized that no matter how much we give, it's never gonNA be enough. We know you're GONNA. Love this conversation with Katie. lowes silly mommy. Glad the GIG Lewis Hi everybody. My name is Katie lowes. My. Baby's name is Al. be named after a bunch of different Albert's in our family. You can find me on instagram. Twitter Katie lowes and then please listen to Katie's crib. It's a podcast on iheartradio produced by Shonda. rhimes real talk real MOM's real tired, new episodes every other Thursday Katie. The last time I saw you. Yeah. When did we last each other? Tell me I don't think you were married yet. I definitely know you didn't have any kids yet. It was like allow term. We'd a what talk show the it was. Like the worst cook ever, that's why. It was state. That was my first live appearance. Yeah, that I've ever done young. And still to this day my granny pass favorite and all have completely failed in comparison. So lots has developed for us since then you are now a Mama and not just any moment. You also host an incredible podcast. Katie's crib sanctuary. You took it upon yourself I. Think to like again before this was so commonplace to have. Really Ron vulnerable conversations around a inexperienced that that every mother has gone through where like all the glossy bits people share with you right up front. They tell you how incredible it's going to be in. The can't really explain to you. What the what the that deep deep love will feel like or the the high notes? They can't really describe what they can get you like that middle ground, but it's really hard to talk about the tough bits and the challenging bits, and the unattractive, and the lots of them lots of a end, and the getting to know the new bits which I think is really awesome. I'd love. It's awesome. Once you get your head around the fact that you are not the old you in in a lot of ways that used us. So I'd love just because it has been so many years captures up. What was your variants been lake? Well I'm happy to be talking to you about all this because I feel like I'm like ooh. This gives me a chance to let ask myself this question, because I feel like when you're a mom like to pause, and actually like look back on. How the hell are you doing is like rare. So I did get. Scandal is basically where I grew up, and it was such a magical show, because a lot of us on the show got married Carrie and I both got married. We people bought their first homes. lots of people. Scott fully had two babies on the show. I had a baby on the show. And we really sort of grew up together, and all in those phases of our lives, and and I felt so happy because I was sort of the youngest, and I really got to look up to everybody. Ask everyone all the questions on all the time so when I got pregnant. And Shonda was like it was her idea to do the podcast, not mine I really yeah, like I think I was just running first ball her idea. She even had the idea to get pregnant to be completely honest. I hate. To tell me. I honestly. Do, I don't. I, do I? Don't I don't know how long scandal is GonNa be, and they're still this horrible. Thing about. Being a working woman and getting pregnant, and not knowing if your job security will be okay totally, and it's so unfortunate, and it's systemic. It's been there for forever, and so it really wasn't until Shonda was like. What are you doing? And I was like us? You WanNa have a family and I was like yeah. We'll just do it on my watch like I've taken a lot of actresses through this. If you're engine, she wasn't like saying now. We're never, but she was basically saying like look at all the Mamas Hungary's anatomy. Look at all the Mamas on. How to get away with murder, I'm very good at taking care of women on on my shows, and making sure that they feel taken care of in supportive and I was like all. This is the best place again. Any it and I basically read until as quickly. Take off his pants. Romance. By the way every guy in America would love to families the case. To just have I knew I had job security because working in Shawn Lane, is like known you know. All of the powerful figures in the top are women. A lot of them are moms, and it's just a wonderful place baby I mean even. Onset. We had like a Sean Dillon like baby hangout area. Where carries were and my kid wasn't Viola Davis Kit like it's unbelievable. It's complete utopia breaks for breastfeeding like no questions asked just I. Don't know why needed to be hit over the head. Did you shoot while you were pregnant? I shot the final season while I was pregnant. Did they work it into the show? Yes, the character was pregnant, and it was really lucky for me, because carry had had two babies on the show and Libya pope was not pregnant, so she'd already gone through seasons of hiding pregnancy out Prada bags and stuff like that. I large wine. Wine glasses. Law. That's I. Think it's GonNa be really hard to hide if I'm pregnant also like I just. Quinn because she was so crazy and doing such physical stuff like torturing people and killing people, running and jumping and all this stuff I was like Oh my God. I'M GONNA. Do this, so she made my character pregnant, which was a total blessing. When I had actually worked with real babies, and I was like Oh God, this the worst example work with real babies. All the time in my baby was in my trailer like waiting for me and I would just start lactating when the twin babies that were actors start crying. But it was a wonderful place to get pregnant I. It was socialist. She was the person who said. I think everyone saw how Ron Insane I was during pregnancy like. I was working crazy hours. I would have laughing fits crying fits. Sweating fits. They would have to keep running in. Fix everything because my hormones are raging and I'm very raw open and I can't is sort of wear. My personality my sleeve. So pregnancy was like a tow. It was like that time. Thousand and Shawna was like I. Think podcast would be really interesting about real motherhood stuff and I just ran with it I just I had been correcting over the nine months of pregnancy. All these experts in friends you know like that starts to come to you when you are going about the world being pregnant, you know all of a sudden. You've got dulas in lactation specialists and friends who are struggling with this and people who are going with that. That and I'm again. I talked too much, so everyone's coming to me. And I felt like I had a real I just had a real pool of people that I could talk to, and maybe by talking to them in them, giving us their advice in their expert opinion or not expert opinion just experiences alone would help other moms. Other places I also had a miscarriage, and that was really tough, and I felt like that wasn't out there enough. I also gave birth to my son and I was not. into it at all I was miserable. and I was not. It was not love it for site for me. I say it was a slow burn. to enjoying motherhood and I just couldn't find anywhere that there were. Other people admitting that and so I was like I can't be the only person that when I. Get a text asking me how blissed out. I am I. WanNa. Throw my phone across the room. Eat because I'm not I I hate this I'm trying to figure out how to get on a plane and moved to Europe with a fake identity and find a new boyfriend and changed my name like my brain was going into like scandal like like twists to get out of it, you know. Just, because I was thrown, have been for ten years, I thought. I was more scared of the pregnancy in the labor than anything it turns out. Those were the easy parts for me. When I actually brought my son. I'll be home. I was like What is this? It's different when you're like the the. It's not the backstop. What you're the last word you're responsible and you look over your shoulders and you're like God that's me who's coming to take this child exactly. What he is a real thing I mean like postpartum anxiety is real high like it's just it's. It's really scary. They send you home from hospital, or if you've had a homebrew like you're just like a we, no one's told me what to do and you know. It's just it's very challenging. It took me a long time to feel like myself. What helps you get their time like? No one told me it was GONNA be till he was eighteen months old that I would start to look in the mirror and be like, and I don't mean physically I mean like I started to just like myself right so I went back to work when he was eight weeks old and I'm even that just physically like how like buttoning pants at eight weeks postpartum the of that in because I did the same. I went back to the two at after. When below was just eight weeks old and it was just it was also. I mean and you were memorizing lines and like. My memory wouldn't function Omar. Like good dialogue, I know like what get have funny banter. Fast. At least I got like multiple takes completely mess up like you or I mean I. Don't think I could have done that, but you do. Women are outstanding where women are outstanding that Sandy, I mean it's just I. Don't think any dudes could do this so. Is Seen to be working. I can remember. Going back, then know they would ever still three hours over the back to my trailer rescue, they would knock on the door and be like a like we. Is there any so lovingly? insupportably? Like how long has he got I? Don't know like I. Literally Don't know what I'm doing I. Don't know when he's done I. Don't know when a boob is empty like I. Don't know what I'm doing like. Can you send someone here to tell me to do what to do? And then similarly, I remember adamant I my husband. And I made our rodway debuts in the musical waitress. When my son was eight months old, and I look back on that experience an i. that's how I know. I still wasn't myself. I was out of my mind like hormonally like I just was out of my mind. I used to be so upset because my nanny would put him down six nights a week. Because we only off Mondays and I had to be at the theater, and then I would rush. Home onto show days. Back? I would do the three hour musical than I. Would Race Home Recipe Bathe him? Try to put him down and then race back for the seven thirty calls for the APM. Because I thought that was like what was being a good mom. My husband on the other hand. WHO's in the musical had no problem saying Saturday's showed. As I'm not going to see him like Monday, I'll see him all day than he was so good about important intensive care himself and I just had the mom guilt and Just feeling all of those feelings and and I just talked we just the first episode of Katie script. The season was America Ferrera. We were talking about this endlessly because she was in the middle of a dentist appointment, and her nanny was walking her around the block while she was in the dentist appointment she was. If something happens to them while they're on this walk I will never forget myself. There is no reason why he has to be here right now, but because she works so long hours. She's like I have a disappointment. He can kind to be there with me, so let's bring the baby and let's bring the you know. And I was very similar and. I feel like it wasn't until he hit about a year and a half that I started to really lecco and and trust and figure out who the hell I am again. It took me a while I mean it really was not was not quick zone. Around a mom way. This year's back to school. 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I think it's hard, even if you know if you decide to have more, I think it. It still is hard, and I think some of it must be just settling into motherhood and understanding who you are in your particular journey, and then some of it is starting to see okay non. He's eighteen months old or now he such and such an age and. And that ability to start to trust your child a little bit more I mean I I relate to the dentist thing you know what I do. I have a new baby i. Am the person that goes there and I. Have the baby on my chest while they're cleaning my teeth, and it's that idea especially with the jobs that we have or or or women who are listening to this if you have a job, that's like a, I can here and there in a multitasking I'm gonNA. Mommy Multitask by the way. Even if you have a nine to five job, there's always mommy multitasking. It's like okay well. At least we can be close to each other, so I have my mouth open things in. In my mouth, they're cleaning and I have the baby on there and I'm like well if he has breastfeed. This is like the perfect place for breastfeed right now and I mean, and that's what you do, then you. You know you go back to experiences like you're like you're talking about when you take on so much and then you look back your. What was doing number two I. Don't think I could ever do that again, because and also it's not better for them not. Doing them, it's not that it's better or worse than I do think they. It doesn't register for them. The same way registers for you Ryan. There's a real potential that it actually. It harder for you to get like to enjoy the experience and I think that's that's like you're listening to. You is bringing. It's dredging up so much of what I felt after having my first Philomina because absolutely I felt i. felt like the free time quote unquote that I had to spend with her so crunched. Because of other obligations that like I didn't want to waste any of that time, and so I was trying to cram all my all my stuff. That I had to get done into all the time I had to have. Have with her, and it was just it was making its I couldn't enjoy any of it and it really it. I remember distinctly having this sort of like mental tug of war constantly about how do I find myself in all of this? How do I make sure I'm not stealing my own joy by trying to do too much, and and and trying to live up to some really unrealistic expectations myself like exactly what you described with your husband, where with my husband, who is the most loving doting father obsessed with his children like? Inouye neglectful and yet recognizes that trying to like you know do fifteen things at once. A balancing on your head is never going to be the kind of experience that actually rewards you for being a good. Kid. Gets it is really a quality thing? Once you release yourself women obviously I think on a lot of mom shows they and a lot of mom conversations. We all talk about the MOM guilt. I think once you start to release yourself from that and you tell your kid that that's okay. You allow for them to learn how to do self care, 'cause you're modeling for them today I mean I'm I'm home schooling. Three of the kids right now so I've got three four and six in school. To is not. Even Fathom Jasbi happy that your son is to. These! Old So he's two. And a half. We are potty training in Court House that. Big New as you, I know. I know I wasn't going to. Because my husband's like, if we add one more stress, I was GONNA say. Are you status? Like what are you doing? What is happening? It's so stupid like wireless while I was fighting it and fighting inviting it, and then he kept getting out of the Tub to pee in the Potty, and he kept the products been around, and he kept getting out of shower to go to the potty. Now is like I. Feel like he's doing it. And also he was having a full-on slip out Tantrum all sudden in one week at all switched. We were changing his diaper. So, I was like you know what let's do it, and so we did that whole like three days of like no pants. It is an opportune moment for that was your there? S. Were here all the time and we don't leave and so. He was wearing no pants and he was at the breakfast table like Mommy. I won't pants. Why am I sitting in my chair? Naked and I was like okay. You know what it's a no pants party weekend I'm not. There was a solidarity moment. Exile very exciting, very. Dressed like nothing under because that was the part that bummed him out the most. He was just like confused. White have clothes on, and then I introduced underwear that he picked out, so he could practice pulling down and we've done really well. We've got people totally down. We've got a good like four poops on the potty into poop accidents, but hey poop is easier to clean up the yeah, okay, but how did you deal with the poop accident liked. What did what did you do with that? I well, the poop accidents happen once he had under. Wasn't free-for-all. No, it was not a free-for-all just. All over my house, which is great? I'm sure that's coming I'm sure that. And also once I mean a lot. Honestly lot of my friends who have kids the same age we're all. You know sort of saying I. Don't know I feel like we should do. It were all home and if you practice leaving the house like let's okay. Let's go potty before and then let's do a walk around the block works. Let's go potty before and let's go on a twenty minute drive. Come right back like I don't know when we're ever going to have this time again, so I was like. Let's rocket and it's going. Well knock on wood. Oakley's not like taking it up on the floor right now, but. But he he was the one I wasn't I was like. Please God. Let nursery school open so that they can do it. I don't want to do this. And then he was sort of the one that was like taking the lead and I was like all right while changing your diapers become a total pain in the ASS. You've just hit on one of like the hidden sort of holy grails of childhood and parenting. It's that you do especially as a parent who is used to being proactive and runs at challenges and wants to tackle them in wants plan of attack. You think that you have to pre plan for everything you have to have your sort of battle plan lined up and so often. Your kids are the ones who are going to teach you how to do things. They are going to be the ones who direct traffic in a way and there, and it's fascinating to see where the and that sort of evidence about the personality going forward into adulthood like like. I remember my daughter Philomena. deciding. She was GonNa Sleep the night at seven months, but through literally no, not even no effort like I would I would have loved to hurt a sleeper sleep through the night much before that, but there was nothing I was going to do to encourage her to do that. And there's nothing I was going to do to encourage her, not she was going to do it exactly the way she wanted to and and exactly to what you just said about your son deciding. He was ready for it I think. Having that moment of pause for ourselves in that moment of of Trust that kids do bear. They're not robots. They're not gonNA do everything. We say exactly the way we want them to do it, but they're also not cheap like we have to let them be. Be Involved in the process a little bit, too. I think it's it's actually really cool. You'll get to know your kids, so it's also very relieving because I like because it just sort of makes it that that the onus all on me, you know like an an honestly i. do think any time he's been ready has really taken the lead. It's gone so much better. And I know potty training sort of the first thing you know it's like the first one of the first learned thing. Is You know like walking and running and crawling and eating and swallowing like these are all? Things that come with them. You know what I mean like. They just watch and they didn't have to teach him. How to walk. Did have to teach them how to crawl. I didn't teach them how to hold a spoon or a fork. I kept handing it to him, and he just was figuring it out and I feel like potty. Training is the first thing ever that am. You know like we sit on a potty. We wash our hands. You Know Mommy wipes you. You know like there's just like A. It's more of a learned thing and I'm so glad that I didn't do it until he was, he made me do. You. Made me do it. So, yeah, that's what we're doing in quarantine. I'm really thrilled that we did it because I just think it is perfect timing for us and for where he's at. I've really taken the I. Feel so bad for you I. Mean I just can't believe you have four children in your also teaching I trust rivaling because that's what you have to do that. You're surviving, but you know. I have to say that the people because I've you know girl and boys and I p Carmen. potty trained herself. I had to do absolutely nothing at one. that. Know literally at one she potty trained herself, and then all of a sudden had three boys who are supposed to be very much more difficult to do. Yes, yes, I have to say if you just wait exactly what you're saying. You wait until the ready then it's really not as I mean. Of course, it's work. Parenting is work, but it's not that because in boys love to play outside. Oh, this kid can't take an aim for. We're all people. I I. He's just peeing outside. My husband's being outside. I'm like what is happening like. This is not going panicle. Lead them. Let them do it. I've also had some distant hangs with friends like girlfriends who've come over into my yard, and and you know at like eight PM. After the baby goes to sleep in a baby like my best friend will come over and she'll. Sit on a blanket far away. We'll have masses we hang out, and then it's like we're back in like a high school party. She pees in my yard. I don't know what's going to be. Allowed to from the House yet, no, no bathrooms, no bathrooms I agree with you there being outside on peoples yards, and that's you're gonNa have just really great like holes because it just burns. Try to spread it out. I got a spread it out. Yeah, exactly see I would think you'd WanNa like localize it like pick one spot. That's the piece spot for guests. Ruining Listen to this past I was going to say really quickly about quarantine about how your kids are loving it, and even though the in such a big adjustment for us. Our lives like Janet Lansbury love so much she was. She was saying toddlers at least kids under five that if you can get through this without quitting any sort of expectations on them or what you're supposed to get out of this experience with them and to. To honestly just be whatever it is day to day that she's convinced that these young kids are GonNa look back at this time as some of the best in their life as crazy as that is like they just how simple it is, and how much family time they're getting that bond and attachment being so strong and also not being asked to do a million things today running to the grocery store running to pick up another sibling. All of those things like it's just really it's just been really simplified. I keep calling my. Grandmother Granny Pat but she raised for kids and. You know clean. The House seven I remember the first week of quarantine her. I would say I can't believe you did this. In high heels and address and had pot roast on the table at five PM. You would know help in your. My husband is so fifty fifty right now. It's insane. We've sort of set up like a shift schedule. That's what we need to do. We're both actors, so we're both unemployed at the moment and we. Like some days of the week I'm the morning till nap, and then he is afternoon 'til bedtime. It's like we have a whole setup. We are so fifty fifty and my grandma. A long time ago, that wasn't the thing to do I just keep calling her like wow like I'm cleaning the house. I'm cleaning toilets I'm. Putting out flew a unique just like life has looks really different and really simple. My son's really loving it. I. It's not I think. I while you what you register with your grandmother or something I think about all the time just in terms of like the they only had twenty four hours in the day, and yet there was so much more productivity in terms of real stuff for the family. You know what I mean I feel like I like I'm lucky, but my laundry gets folded every every like forty. Underwear bitterly underwear. Like I, could you imagine ironing sheets like what would that took up her entire day? Also like that's the. Tire to remind myself as that like, and that's going back to are trying to split your time. Thing is sometimes I'll I'll crash into bed at the end of the night and feel like. What did I even get done today? Like this whole day flew by and I feel I felt so stressed in crazy in rushed about everything, but I still don't feel like I. Got Anything done and I think part of it is because we're not focused on one task at. At a time certainly not focused on like even the even with disquieting in the best of senses like being able to be a little bit. At least you're cutting out commute times like you're at least you know you're. You're getting back timing day theoretically, but but it just does feel sometimes like we're trying to. Because of that. We're trying to You're excited. Be Constantly available. I mean zoom happens you starting at six am for everyone all all the time it does. I was struggling with this feeling of trying to do too much all at once all the time. And I and reminders is like what you just said with with. Your kids are so happy right now are like they could not imagine a world where they would have gotten this much time with me and my husband both at home. But I wanted to touch on the. If it's okay with you, and obviously, if we talk about, we don't have to you mentioned that you and your husband being actors like can't work right now and I'm curious. What what? How do you deal with that kind of uncertainty in that kind of just like you know I? Think all actors probably do because you're you're you're? The next project is is nine also used to hate, but I think it's valuable for people to hear especially in A. A marriage where you're both subject to that uncertainty, how you prop each other up how you how you talk to each other how you work through that that like degree of not being able to plan going forward in a way that supportive nurturing I think it's so stressful for a lot of people to deal with. I think it's something that's coming up for many many of us right now, what does that look like for you guys I think at first we were having very. Different experiences where he felt real relief because he was like. I've spent now. Look, we are in a boat where I'm in the middle of a of an acting job so I. on a new Netflix show called inventing Anna that Shonda rhimes. Road starring Julie Garner in laverne Cox in. I'm so excited or the day when it comes out. But we have ten episodes. We shot five when the episode when it we got went into warranty and shutdown happened, so it's weird, but I feel like I I have a job to come like Netflix's been absolutely incredible with communication, and we're going to go back and the question is when not, if and so, that's wonderful, so I feel, and also it really takes some. Some of the pressure off because financially were not freaking out now. My husband and I have been together for thirteen years. When that was not the case we've seen a lot of ups and downs as actors and have worked every single freaking side job, the town of Hollywood constant offer, except except for I I mean I never did prostitution into play that but. Boy At we're thinking about waitress and you know he okay so waitressing personal assisting babysitting nannying catering bartending, you name it. I worked for everybody and my husband did to actually so, and he was an anti also things that so we've sort of seen all of that, but he actually so i. I. was like okay I have a job, so so is sort of wasn't like freaking out because I feel like at some point. I will go back to work and that's wonderful. My husband felt very oddly relieved because. He says for fifteen years. I wake up every day thinking like okay. What job can I get? What can I book like? Where's the next paycheck coming from like? How am I going to get that job doing no someone that's working on that project do i. know the writer like what auditions do I have? How can I hustle? You know how that addition go. A high screwed it up wait. I got to work on for next week and right now. That's just all gone, so he feels a little bit like okay. I need to break at my life differently in. It's been so weird is. Cook. I mean we are really splitting running a household and raising a child and a dog, and we are very much fifty fifty on that in every way like i. do the laundry all the cooking. He does the grocery shopping I do the floors. We split toilet duty every other week. Who I mean who does which we I mean, it's just reaffirmed. How much a frigging love the guy to be completely honest as amazing too I think Quarantine shutting real light on people's relationships. He just a sign, though but to be fair into completely, he said meals. I don't think I've seen you and I was like no. Other. So, even though we are running things well, and my son is very happy, and our house is happening and things are okay. I don't think we've been tending to our relationship very well, but I also think with the current state of affairs it's. It's hard to do so. But I but he did touch with me last night and he was like Oh. We got A. We got to hang out as like A. We got to hang out and not you know at seven PM. When we put the baby down in, we're just you know surfing net flicks just exhausted. So. Yeah, he felt relief. Which is odd, I'm curious to see what that moves into because I also don't think anyone envisioned. It would be this. So I think the initial relief has probably is moving into. You know like. How do we stay creative and artistic, and and because we're not currently concerned financially like how do we just stay actors like? How do we stay that such a huge part of who we are? And what we love to do so. I. Don't know there's a lot of things going on with people shooting stuff in their houses. I mean crazy stuff like embassy. How long this happened I mean I i. You know I really miss being on set. That was like the biggest transition for me. It felt like it got ripped out. Literally, we were shooting in your city. We got word on Thursday the twelfth that the show was gonNA stop shooting, and then I started getting all these really sort of frantic alarmist texts that were like no one's going to be allowed in and out of New York same. Go get cash from the ATM. Like eight am flights on thirteen home for my son and my nanny, who had moved with us to New, York to show and me and Adam and it felt very frantic and very rushton. You just felt very ripped out front me and I really just like I. Really Miss Being able to go to work and honestly like. Not. Being a fulltime mom like that's so hard for me to say, but it's very true like I have the most amazing job that two to three days a week I'm gonNA shoot and I'm going to leave before he gets up and I'm going to be back when he goes to bed and then four days a week I. Don't I work and I'm you know I'd go shoot those days and I'm like so. So. You know what I mean, so. It was like this is the longest. I've gone being a fulltime mom. Yeah, did you both always know you going? GonNa, have a ton of kids now. I got pregnant with my first one at twenty, eight nine. I was like it was like this thing we're. Alec was very because with twenty six years different than like very much. He wanted to have kids right away. Away and I was kind of on board for it, and then and then I got right after our wedding also be married for a while just like I. Just I'm twenty eight like this just feels like a lot. And then, and then I got pregnant and I flipped out, but I was excited at the same time, because I was just like okay. This is a new adventure, and then I was like. Like really nervous. The whole pregnancy that I wasn't going to connect with her and I and then I mean I did have that that immediate connection with her I did I love it I've seen it on. My best friend was pregnant at the same time I was an end. We were having police. She I, remember she. She had three months before me when she dropped to her knees in my kitchen. With just like Katie I wake up in the middle of the night and I look at my husband and I look at my baby in the house and I don't know how I got here and how I got some never felt love like this in my entire life and I was like like it just goes to show you like. You don't know how you're going to be and you don't know. There's no rhyme or reason to how your hormones are. Your chemicals like react to. The APP like having a baby. It's crazy. There's also no wrong way to be like everyone finds they find their way, and you find your way to each other and I think that that's really important. I think. Going back to the very beginning your podcasts conversions you have. And hopefully the conversations that we have here are meant to prove that point which is, there are eight billion different possibilities of these combinations that all lead you to hopefully the same place of of feeling, confident, strong and happy in your motherhood, and having who are confident, not being strong in their childhood. which I think are two. Different but. That's me snapping. That's not. That's it and also you might suck at certain ages like I had Casey Wilson came on my podcast, and she was like she had struggled with horrible postpartum depression with her first child, and then even worse with their second sheet, literally didn't get out of bed for six months and she was. Very ill, and it was very hard road and she's. Like five year old, you know what I mean. It's like five. I might aid best nine to thirteen. You've ever seen like that just might be i. don't know like you know. I suck at newborn newborn me like not great. Not Great I'm into I'm into it. I'm unwavering that I was newborn, which is great because to a hard age he's doing. It's good. It's good. We're good. We're good, but I am into it. I don't love playing. That's. Like I'm going to be completely honest with but kind of playing, you're doing right now so physical and like you're on the ground. You're moving the track your leg lifting him up. You're throwing them in the air though I can't handle it the on the bed and mattress. Physical and it's so annoying and I'm like Oh. God I'm just too old for this, and they want to do the same thing over over over and over and over again, but I think the most important thing of what you guys is that all of it needs to be talked about? Yes, I feel like this. All come about in the past couple of years where there is just like real things for men to turn to where women are really. Like saying how it is not just painting a sort of shiny picture and. And also making you laugh I can't. I can't get through this unless it's like absolutely hilarious. Like Oh, the one thing I did speaking of various, he did take a dump in his underwear, and then we rushed to the toilet, and then he did say mommy, and took his own hand wiped it in his butt, and then wipe the crap on me. You know that's an issue. Day and I was like. Well. He's taking the lead on wiping his crap on me. I feel like it's always helpful to just not feel by yourself, and to know that their space for every type of reaction to every part of this journey, and there's really not right or wrong if you're trying. And you're coming from a love field place to yourself. End seared children like that's really it, but my hands and hats are. Off To you guys for four kids in quarantine home schooling, running a household being businesswomen, helping other women be their best selves. I mean come on living the dream, so we are going to ask you what your favorite thing is yes. Well I'm really into hard combat right now. Have you been? With the Blueberry Kabukicho, it's a thing. It's Freakin delicious like I. They Make Hard Commute Shia. which is amazing, it comes in different flavors, so I'm all about that because I feel like I'm doing gut health as with getting as well as getting a buzz on which I'm thrilled about I. Thank you so much. Thank, you, you take care of good you to. That, that was such a fun conversation with Katie I have to say I miss girl, Talk I. Miss just talking and laughing, and and especially about all things, mom, because we are so in the trenches right now with being with each other all the time, no school, no activities and I really loved how honest she was about her. Postpartum struggles no matter how much you love someone. It's not easy to be You know in one place with them for every hour of the day for months and months on end and I think you know how. We've talked about on this show about how we talk to. Our kids beat how that becomes their internal voice, and how we talk to ourselves oftentimes comes out in the end. It comes out in the way that we talked people that we love and I think that's something that. We can continue to work on and and really. You know be being supportive of each other being gentle with each other being a lifting each other up, and having that go back and forth in a way that in a way that keeps us all hopefully sane throughout this experience. Hopefully hopefully making any. mean she's also just. She's so wonderful in candidate and funny and loosen just like easy to. See so I can totally imagine pulling up at her house if we lived in La all right guys. Now it's time for our favorite things. Nest have favorite sags. Today my favorite thing in light of all of our potty training. Talk is the petites, pots and I am a big fan of a take along party and you can put a disposable bag inside of it. and it's really great because I always keep one in my car, or if we you know in a normal life when we're going to the playground I. Keep it in the Stroller as we're going to the playground so that if my little kids. Of course age appropriate use I am not using it in the playground. All those there's been so many moments where I really really wanted in that thing, but I I definitely. I think that it has it is definitely life changing and the and the time when you need it and you've forgotten about is horrible. Moment the last thing about this report. Is it actually also if you flip out the little side, if folds, and he feel about the also you put on top of a restroom bathroom, and then your kids are sitting on top of that were not the restroom bathroom rights to us just a really great invention crazy very. okay, my favorite thing. This week is not having anything to do with the bathroom It was actually inspired because all the banana bread that everyone has been cooking up over this time in quarantine, and there are two things I wanna I wanNA. Say about the banana bread phenomenon number one is that if you have not made it already, you should check out Eden. grinch man's Tahini sesame, banana, bread. Because it's freaking unbelievable and to me like any recipe, especially in baking. Flourish that makes it feel very finished and very elevated and beautiful, without actually requiring technical skill on your part is a dream. Come true, and so she has you finish the banana bread with this creamy swirl of toasted sesame Tahini. And then you kind of marble it on top, and it is unbelievable so that is exotic later on so Yemi and if you are not the proud owner of a loaf pan yet, or you'd like to treat yourself to one that is about ten dollars, but. Your loaf, baking life I am a big fan of this Mrs Anderson's baking loaf. INBRED paneth's nonstick European grade silicone I got on Amazon. It's literally ten bucks as someone who likes to Bake loafs when you're trying to tap. A beautiful tender crammed loaf out of a hard loaf pan. oftentimes, it doesn't come up properly, if especially, if you haven't grease the Pan or put your parchment in or anything and silicone doesn't have that problem you can relate just gently twisted in POPs right out it also it with banana bread, especially it just perfectly toast and caramelized the edges. You get that lovely deep, really like row, St kind. On the edges and then doesn't overcook it in the center because it, it just feels like a much were even bake to me. where in pass I've. I've had a tendency to burn my loves in this one I cannot even describe to you. How much I have been loving baking in this particular Pam, so our guys. That's it for this episode. 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All-Or-Nothing

The Hoop Collective

53:24 min | 6 months ago

All-Or-Nothing

"Alexa podcast we talked about the FDA and of course, we are presented by goodyear drive always covers possibilities goodyear more to ribbon joining us tonight from Florida Southwest Florida. Is Bobby marks are cap insider front. Office. Insider. Just He's a level basketball expert I. don't he's all these insider titles, but is Bobby Bobby. Welcome Brian How are you? Good. Bye Bye should mention we are a recording this that near midnight on Sunday night right after the Lia Lakers beat the rockets one, seventeen, one nine even that series. And joining us from Oklahoma City. Is Royce Young Royce. Welcome. Hope you're doing. Well, I'm doing great Brian Very. Good. Royce was playing tennis tonight. I WANT DOWN Did you see Novak Djokovic get thrown out for hitting the the lines of naturally that was the first joke we all made in it was pretty lame by by the time the force cash showed up we were like we've already made the joke don't make it it's already been done. That was that was an all time. Can you imagine if that happened something like that? Can NBA game where like Lebron like thought he was thrown into a ball boy but instead hit a rough like. To them, speaking of Russell Westbrook he did that he got a technical foul for throwing the ball at the referee. He claimed it was an accident I think it was Charlotte, two years ago maybe he but referee, he hit him right in the head trying to remember which referee it was well. Natural Probably Scott Foster at the end of the day so What. If the rockets have been Lucky Russell, Westbrook would've hit Scott Foster with. Veteran House because he I don't want anything from the Lakers the Lakers came out with terrific. defensive intensity really good game plan improvement got production up and down the lineup. Excellent Performance Championship level performance for sure. Russell Westbrook was absolutely horrible in this game. and. The Lakers are. Playing be Rondo defense on Westbrook and the he is handing them. Gifts, by, deciding to shoot. Everybody in the rockets starting lineup was a plus in plus minus tonight. with the exception of Westbrook who was a I believe a minus fourteen in a and they point loss For Took seven three pointers in this game, he was one of seventy, also seven turnovers. You WanNa, take a guess the last time Russell Westbrook. Took seven three pointers. Brian was going up the game law because I was about wonder that out loud. Let's see. I've I've already looked at that but I'll to Nah I'm guessing it was back in December is my guess that was a hell of guest. Christmas Day. The warriors. Yeah. He took eleven maybe I'm guessing that's. Eight. Bobby. He had taken more than five three pointers one time in twenty six games. that. Whole last third of the season when the rockets went small and they convinced him to not space the floor and instead attack. You know basically they had a spacing problem and they fixed it by convincing him that you're not a spot up shooter. He took one. He took more than fought. He took five or more threes one time in twenty six games. He's taken. Five or more each of the first two games of the series. and Um. Just his. Gift the Lakers, even though it's one one have kissed killed. the rockets when he's out there, it will be Mike. He does game three going forward. Will Yeah I mean I just listened to coaches post game in you know he's going to them of course but in only came up, you know, of course, he said, no, you still shaking off that that Russel from being out. For. Part of those seating games in the playoffs, but they using back in the game when he was on the bench. Ahead a five point lead in that. Five willing to start the fourth quarter or late in the third quarter there. But yeah I mean, all seven attempts I mean there is no one no one near him I mean, it was kind of like the Rondo defense right but it it's as we've all seen in this Roy you've seen him for his whole career Angel One, speed right I mean there's no. There's no second gear here for him to kind of pull back. It's kind of all or nothing I mean one of the greatest quality is he's unafraid bobby and and and that's honestly been kind of the playoff defense. The teams in recent years have deployed against Westbrook. The Jazz, the Blazers, even the thunder did it at times? I mean if anybody knows what defense plant, Westbrook the thunder but you try to turn Russell Westbrook into his own worst enemy and you try to kind of invert that fearlessness to him four look I think it was right he took three of his seven in the fourth quarter and that's that's kind of Westbrook's IMO is that when when his team starts to slip, he is the guy. That, it's not selfishness have always tried to tell people. It's not really selfishness with Westbrook. It's just a fine I gotta do this by myself. Then like I'll just do it and he really just takes that burden upon himself and it's one of his greatest qualities I think because when it succeeds Oh. Man is a glorious I mean Russell Westbrook at the peak of his powers in clutch time I mean there's few like him but the problem is it is Woefully inconsistent and you see these types of implosion 's like he had in the fourth quarter where he he tries to do way too much and and basically what he tries to do Brian he tries to shoot at ten pointer. That's what's trying to do half the time is that he feels like his threes he's GonNa Crank. One, and it's GONNA turn the tide. James Harden twelve shots. Russell. Westbrook fifteen. I know the hardness the little bit hidden because of free throws hardened doesn't get. Attempt. Charges or whatever when he gets the line but. That's a huge victory for the Lakers with that happens, and frankly I know that the rockets probably feel pretty good about themselves because like okay. Well, the series is one one and You Know Russ has not been good. He scored twenty four in game one, but he wasn't efficient. On again there, they want him to play that way the rockets probably like you know this is this is okay where it's one one but they go twenty, two of fifty, three on threes tonight. They got to win that game. Yeah, you know. With the three point shooting PJ Tucker four of seven Robert Covington four of Eight Erik Gordon six twelve James Harden Four. Vache Daniel House three, hundred seven. That's a that's a win by eighteen thirty performance. you know the Lakers shot the ball very well as a team, which is about the second. Laker. The rockets defense which had been very strong. The playoffs let them down a little bit but You, know. Lakers to survive that shooting night they survived frankly because of Westbrook and. It'll be interesting to see what the Tony does. Switching over to the Lakers had to have it. You know falling down to Oh. It's impossible. One of the incredible stats that I. Heard last couple of days. Is that Lebron is eleven eight in series in his career. When he loses game one house like, Wow, he said twenty series where he's lost game one. you know. A lot of series. In other words it was like you know don't panic. He's not panic when he's down. He's down one. Oh, but They played with incredible just incredible defensive energy especially in the first and fourth quarters held the rockets to thirty seven points bobby while Mike. Then Tony was playing Russell Westbrook and the rockets fans where slapping their heads. Frank Vogel relied heavily on Rondo. With which you know he kurt them a lot in game one Rondo plays twenty nine minutes four of nine from the field. He was not being covered. He did have a couple of shots where he took advantage of it but here's where he really got. Nine assists five steals including some ball hawking on James Harden which I think kind of slowed him down a little bit plus twenty eight on the plus minus. Rondo played Marquee Morris the Lakers. Any one of their role players shoots the ball well, and it's like bad man from heaven and they get four three pointers and v Sixteen points for Markeith. Morris. the. Those players were different in the game. While yeah, I mean. In the first quarter certainly gave him celebration to get hit woody at four threes in a row there that's In Rondo you know kind of. That lightning. I mean like it's either GonNa go one way or another to there's no in between there and. Hit. A big shot I mean using a to six. One Thirteen, one seven in his Shawn Lane to kind of basically ice the game. But you're right I mean out of the bench guys May. Twenty six minutes to Brian I mean his minutes What you're looking at a dion waiters goes out with a groin injury. So now you're you basically have two guards coming off your bench in Rondo in in Caruso Serie. So frank had a choice in this game because PJ Tucker has been pretty effective all year on Anthony Davis. So his choice was. He could either. Try to match down a little bit reduced the big man minutes. Play Caruso more which CRUSOE was limited in game one because a foul trouble people were complaining about it only played sixteen minutes but part of that was because he was he had five thousand sixteen minutes Play Caruso more and this, and you know maybe make room for the waiters. He did play in the rotation, but waiters got hurt or He could play big more expand jail, McGee's minutes and that would force. PJ Tucker to be on Javale McGee more and forced easier matchup on Covington or heir Gordon, or Jeff Green or whomever they put on them when when Pizza Tucker was out of the game sort of you know not trying to beat fire with fire but matching big and Vogel wet with the first he decided to stay small only did not play Dwight Howard at all only play jail McGee eight minutes Javale went out with ankle injuries getting an MRI tonight. Must be something significant but even if he had been injured I, don't think he would have played a lot more and you know it it worked and Anthony. Davis You, know they. He can get whatever he wants in this series He even though Peter Tucker is effective on him, there's enough ways to get him the ball. In space where you either are going to get him in a huge matchup advantage or he is going to draw a double team and kick it, and you're going to get a good shot somewhere its way of Davis to me I said last week that he needs to kind of average. Like thirty two or thirty, four and fifteen tonight at thirty, four in ten. That was that's very good. He's shooting for twenty, five forty in the series, but he needs to play even I think even higher level. So Royce. Again, it'll be interesting to see if this you know especially Javale McGee is out if he continues to match down and want to play small and go. Strength Strength Bone strength well, this is what billy Donovan kind of resisted doing in the series before, right. He he he kind of wanted to stay bigger on. There were times where he would go with Danilo Gallon are five and the rockets struggled with at a time. So I think it makes sense logistically. But I think what? What what is happening a what played out in the thunder series and I think what kind of played out in game two Brian is that when you're a team that has these options for adjustments and you give frank, Vogel has the option for an adjustment. He can play big he can play small billy Donovan has that option. And you feel it out throughout the game and you're the coach has to make the decision at that point Mike. Dantonio has one way right? There's no adjustment for the rockets to make they're gonNA play small. It's just a matter of if it's PJ Tucker at the five or Jeff Green at the five essentially. But of course you BETCHA and Billy Donovan. Will say talking about. His status for next season a yeah. There's people wondering. There's people wondered about what? The what? He's a free agent technically. Bobby. Gough time because I'm about to talk, I don't mean to go off the Lakers here to talk about the broad but. Billy Donovan I believe is a free agent. No one talks about it all year. Jobs Open I believe if I actually jobs open there still are. It's kind of, do you ever remember there being? Two playoff coaches. who were free agents who like got to the end of their contract? Will know and. Tony the other one. Yeah and I think Darryl had talked to I think was USA Today that might you know which I thought? Oil probably they lose last week city that Mike's gone now dow came out and said that he's priority aid bring back you know as for what's He gonNA say though I mean yeah. Yeah we we can't wait to get rid of him. You Know Oh. Really. Okay. I think he's doing a really good job I have no idea why they wouldn't have. Wouldn't them I mean but? Choice, if they don't, right. I mean just. Billy Donovan to free agent. That's all I'M GONNA say. Lebron in this game tremendous overall performance just one for the for the files probably his. Ninety Eighth Best playoff game. Somewhere in there, you know what? Rank in his game twos Brian when he was down. Well. He's down one hundred, thousand dollars. I'd have to review its. Top Twenty, you tell me that. Okay. Yeah. Top twenty five as it's actually probably not even in the top twenty of game twos. Baby borderline. He had a game to where he hit a shot at the Buzzer to win user conference finals. that's probably number one So he goes for twenty eight points, eleven, rebounds, and nine assists four steals. Also, at seven turnovers but. Early in the fourth quarter Anthony Davis is on the bench The rockets had taken the lead. He comes out and plays. For. Devastating Lebron, minutes Dunking, driving, pressuring, rebounding, assisting. And I know that drives some Lakers fans crazy bobby that Rondo. gets minutes but one of the reasons why that they have to play Rondo? And even though yes, they don't guard him and it makes it easier to double team Anthony Davis. One of the reasons that Frank Vogel is playing Rondo is because they needed cheat on possessions. Were Lebron does not have to initiate the offense. So, Lebron leading the league in average fourth quarter minutes in the playoffs I know he hasn't. Played as many minutes as Kyw's on the nuggets have. but. His average is is is high up there and one of the things that Lebron has learned to do. Over the years is to rest while playing, and so they need to have Rondo out there. Take some plays from him and I. I see the Lakers fans complaining about this wise Rondo bringing the ball rondos bring the ball up. So Lebron can do a little bit of resting so that he has the energy in that fourth quarter. And it doesn't always going to work but I think that extra energy tonight was helped by the fact that Rhonda was able to. Carry a load and get those nine assists we in the game. He played thirty nine minutes and I felt Brian at the. End of that fourth quarter GDP private played another ten minutes I mean he was fresh right? I mean they you know he was like. It was almost like flipping a switch as far as the first quarter to the end of the fourth quarter here in you're right about stealing those stealing those minutes. I, mean you're not going to expect. You know a level Lebron for forty minutes here. It's kind of, as you said. With Ron on a court, he's kind of the steel stealing some. Minutes from from the Bronx here and. Hey Frank. Frank would Frank Vogel has right now he's got a limited hand. As far as he is going to. In Yeah I was we talked earlier going to will infuriate you here but. The entity name day is it's the win games in have the Braun. ABM court in the last six or seven minutes here in both kind of being as I said, being fresh people say people say Brian that the ball has energy the ball also drains energy when you have it in your hands all the time and you know you see it from a lot of a lot of primary ball handlers. This is why they wanted to kind of link up with other primary ball handlers. Chris. Paul has said it before that like that's one of the reasons he wanted to go play with James Harden was that he got sick of bringing it up all the time. He didn't want to have to initiate every single possession because that can wear you out. And Lebron James for as as much of an alien as he is in basically every physical way like it's GonNa Drain you when you have to mentally physically when you have to initiate every single possession so like like you said It's and what point of the game do you want Lebron at his very best at the peak of his powers fourth quarter so I can. I can understand the frustration Rondo hit a mid range. Early, in the fourth quarter so you know take that's why Lebron loved playing with I shouldn't say he loved it but that was why it was so good for him playing with Kyrie. Is that he could. He could throw the ball over the Korean Chiriqui. Cook. Carry preferred to be the one to choose. As the You know that was a problem but boy were they good together when they were. Before we continue with the show. If you're a business owner, you don't need to tell you that running a business is top it. 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We were. You know plotting this podcast on maybe doing a bucks. Obituary. but they staved off elimination in a surprising way after Janas, turns his Ankle Janas left the game in a walking boot and I have suspended disbelief on ankle injuries after Luca. Came back and had that game after turning his ankle hard over. In the first round Bobby typically when I see a guy tonight, you know in a in a walking boot. that. Is Not a minor ankle injury the okay. We're in the elimination game we're talking about the MVP. Anything. Could happen but he's either going to be able to play or severely limited or or or limited in some way probably in in game five against the heat and that is why that so many people are are wondering what his short term future is going to be I know that you have looked at this extensively what is your feel as to what the short term future for Yonathan the bucks are assuming they don't pull a miracle in this series. Yeah I, mean, we've got an article. Article. Ready to go when it. Their off-season article, I don't want you to. that. Actually we got a part one and part you come down the road whenever this. Box Fan. They and they. I'll tell you what they hate me the United States. As little bit to Brian because. The I always say like here's your off season Article will the Milwaukee will wait for another day and you come back and still hold biased midwest biased right. Know we you guys want Janas had a Milwaukee you WanNa why does it talk ad in La in you know he's free agent nobody talks about him I said well, Janas has got a two hundred twenty plus million dollars decision make in if he doesn't sign this extension yeah it's a story right like it's a story for for for as long as he's in. He's in Milwaukee and. Yeah I mean that's whenever free starts if it's in November or December, that will be the number one decision for him to make as far as is he going to sign this supermax extension? Is he going to play out the year I I? Don't see. Milwaukee if he does play a year, I do not see Milwaukee trading him unless he comes to them and said. I WANNA get traded. I. Can't see it and I and I won't story. But the one thing I mentioned in yard I says, if you had to take the best, you know what? The MVP of the League for one year on your team, right? Would you do it and yet a team that could competitive potentially compete for championship kind of like what coach Leonard didn't Toronto? And I think if you're Milwaukee, you're gonNA roll the dice dare unless he comes in says I don't want to be there but I don't see him doing. Yeah. I. Think Two guys is that What happens in the next couple months with how the league sets the salary cap is not going to be for twenty, twenty one it's going to be probably for twenty one, twenty, two it's GonNa be a seismic shift here right like. This thing they lack you basically you start to eliminate a lot of teams. Of course, you have Miami still kind of in driver seat, but it makes a little bit harder for Dallas. Now, certainly eliminates the private. The Lakers Toronto of May has the big decision would Fred League as far as where their room is going to go So. Just just to expand on that a little bit. Right now, the salary cap is at one, hundred, nine, million. because of fall in the salary cap is determined by the revenue because of falling revenues instead of the cap going up. Towards one twenty. What was the? What was the predict projection? We're all living in. Twenty one, twenty, two, one, twenty, five, this upcoming year. For Twenty for for next season. One fifteen. Right. So it's teams were plotting. Their recruitment strategy they were thinking that they had one hundred. We're going to have about one, hundred, twenty, five, million to work with. The, only have one, hundred, nine. Yeah. It's a significant difference Royce you know. I. Mean I lived at myself in the Lebron. Wars. You know being in Oklahoma City what it's like to be under the gun of superstar free agency it's. It's like a weight around your ankle as a fan base in his organization and I don't think there's any. Again, I suppose Milwaukee could rally out of this series but I I don't think they're winning the championship this year. I. Don't think they're getting to the finals short of that. The clock will start banging on the on the wall immediately after the season ends. It's a hard thing for a franchise to go through. Yeah. Well, as bobby was running down, Brian, that's immediately where aren't thinking was the the season leading up to Kevin Durant Free Agency and the significant difference here is the supermax extension right that didn't exist for Kevin Durant and the end it exists because durant exactly exactly. So but you know and and you know it's been well documented by many people about kind of the inverse effect it has had at times where does it almost creates more anxiety than originally was there because it gives Right out of the pressure comes a euro right and so there's kind of a decision to be made there and and it's so the incentive is so financially driven that it's like they're not taking that what what is going to lead them to stay of the Anthony Davis Situation demarcus cousins. You know. A lot of players have gone through that. Right so I remember I went to I remember I went to Do Orleans in the preseason of last year. and. I spent time with Anthony. I spent time with Dell dumps there at the time I spent time with Alvin Gentry. And I remember thinking these poor bastards. I was pretty sure. He was gonNA WANNA leave but I could I could feel in the air their stress. And I and I just I've seen it before and I guess sometimes it works out but I could feel their stress in that. I'm sorry is coming for Milwaukee Fair or not rice yet but here's the thing though Brian in like Bobby said I think when you zoom out and you try to Kinda, take a perspective base look on it. If you asked the thunder, would you do it all over again exactly knowing what you know now with Kevin Durant. Yup Ten out of ten times we do. It exacts exact same way because they view it as they were four minutes from the NBA finals and they would take that shot over and over and over again to be four minutes from the NBA finals and Thirteen Klay Thompson threes or whatever it was that took for them to not be there they felt like they had the team capable of doing look credit goes to Kevin Durant for for whatever you want to think about the decision he made to join the warriors that season was basically Devoid of noise there wasn't much of it. It was there was some speculation from media, but there was very little coming out of the camp or other teams in other a little bit. The first time he went out to Golden State we had a report about that. The warriors were that were interested in him right. But but for the most part, it was not like this distraction laden year where durant was getting just bombarded and reports coming out and will they trade him? What do they have to do with them? It was very clear look. At handled his business well, in the inside thunder handled there is it was professional and really Kevin Durant held at the ways of supposed to He became a free agent and he made a choice like that's the way like there was. There was no like do they got to trade him leading up to it? and. You know who do differently the cavs because they did do differently. One Lebron was coming to the end of contract the second times and he wouldn't extend. They traded Kyrie Irving for a draft pick instead of a player because they were like, no, we're not going to be caught in this again. Situations are obviously not exactly apples to apples and I'm not re litigating that but. The cavs did not treat it the same getting second the second chance at. One thing I'm going to say about. Going to say two things about this situation number one I. Don't know young as well. But Janas is not like Lebron. He is not like durant. He is not like Anthony Davis. Who Else Qualifies Dwight Howard he did not grow up. Playing a basketball. Okay. He has not been on team. USA. Okay. His American. Hometown is Milwaukee he essentially grew grew. Up, as an as a as his his American experience in Milwaukee that doesn't mean he has never been to Los, Angeles. He's never been to, Miami okay? But. In some ways, Milwaukee feels like his hometown. Okay so comparing I think I mean and again, that doesn't mean anything that's by the way. That's what the people of Milwaukee say does Brian I think it means something we'll. But I what I'm saying here is that there's I think there's an assumption that like oh like. Other players who have been on the situation he's going to say give me out of here. I just don't think he's he's built that way and that's what people in Milwaukee will say I think he actually has a pretty close relationship with Mike buttonholes or I don't think he's interested in saying get this guy out of here or anything like that. But I'm GonNa say something else. Bobby I know that occasionally People in the NBA come to you to consult because you're in an interesting situation you have twenty years experience in the front office, you have. You have expertise, but you don't work team right now. So you are sort of an unbiased individual once you take that shirt off the has a team logo one for one hundred. ESPN you then become. Easier to talk to for the other twenty nineteen. I don't know if you charge people for. Me To. Except for the bucks though bobby hated them. But you do. Looking at this objectively. Knowing that Janas can get the exact same contract in the most likely. In the summer of Twenty, twenty one as he can get in twenty twenty, he was still be supermax eligible. Twenty twenty one. Yes. He would protect themselves on injury but he is twenty-five and I don't think there's any injury could have. That would keep him from getting the supermax from Milwaukee. I don't see objectively innate vacuum. What benefit he has personally. From extending this summer this off season. I just think it is. It would be incredible gifts to the Bucks Organization and maybe he wants to do it but if But if he came to you and ask for your advice. You would say what I did played out. I I think it's the only. Objectively, it's only it's the only it's the only correct decision, and by the way, I would probably say that even if they were in the files. I would say played out Brian just because of. The injury factor and I think we saw a Kevin durant that franchise players with. Semen with a significant injury I know people pricing demarcus cousins, demarcus cousins up been that. List Franchise player but there's always a market for those guys. If you're coming off near Achilles and you're going to be a free agent, there's going to be someone sitting there waiting for one hundred, forty, one, hundred, fifty, million dollars contract guy. So I'm not caught up in the whole supermax two, hundred, thirty, million dollar contract because. Although it is a lot of money in it's it's going to be an end. It's going to be waiting for him in two thousand. Twenty one. There's ways that you can get around that where. If you WANNA go to another team in sign these short-term deals in kind of make the money in the third year, you can go out and do that here. So if I was him, I would play out the year you have basically the same. You have the same roster come back year. You you you get a better landscape as far as where this Team is going to go and I always say that it's not about two, thousand, twenty, twenty one or even twenty, one, twenty, one, twenty, two like once you make that five year commitment in its in its five years it's not three years, four years like you are locked in to that to that group there as far as having a comfort level and. Years like three or four questions he he should ask himself as far. Is there. What's the commitment from ownership right? We saw last year and how Malcolm Brogdon they want to retain him for because the luxury tax they deemed him as a luxury right and that's what the owner show art came out and said that we in what's going to happen with the coach you know we've seen a lot of coaches get fired who won seventy seventy, five percent of games I mean shoot New Jersey we fired Byron. Scott. Went to two final after two finals in a row. Right? So you know what's going to have with the coast as I say the resources to build at the roster. So I don't think just because it's he supermax eligible that he should sign right off the wet off the bat or do I think just because he doesn't sign it that all the Sunday the red there's a the alarms. Go Off L. but that's GONNA happen. Happen that's the world we live in. It's going to happen I I know. But I, I don't. I. Don't we talked to said early I. Don't think they will not trade him unless he comes and asks betrayed it right like or there's a sense that you know Miami's waiting for him they get information that he's going to go to Miami in two, thousand, twenty I don't even know if I still train them then. I. Think I would just play out this year year. To two thoughts on this though real quick that on the one hand nobody was talking about how you know if if he signs that deal, he locks himself in but kind of in this modern era, bobby I, almost feel like contracts don't really exist with all of these guys and while you know tangibly, yes, you have a five year contract with the Milwaukee Bucks. All it takes is one little trade request in a little bit allege and you're finding your way somewhere else. So in some ways, you can kind of have your cake and eat it too. You can go get your life. If you find supermax yard not, eligible trade year year. To Year but. You know the thunder threw a party for Paul, George and we're trading him a year. Later you know for like triumphant moment of like resigning a franchise level player and then you turn it just kind of contracts are just not as meaningful as they were, and then the other the other side of it is I. Think a lot of this. You know this is kind of exterior stuff with honest which it's natural he's he has reached that level of player he's going to be a two-time in. VP he is an icon level guy where we have to have these conversations about legacy and him and what's next for him. But I mean, I, think a lot about a guy like Damian Lillard where you know he may not be at the level of Janas but it just Damian Lillard like Portland might team I'm signing it. I'm staying you build your roster on me and I think we're kind of making the assumption that you honest like once more he wants newmarket new team new players. Super team. I just don't think you can make that assumption right exactly, and so I mean like Janas could also build like the legacy of the greatest player, Milwaukee. Bucks. Franchise history and maybe that's important to him while I, mean, it's not like he's on some bad team his teams are going to be good. No matter what and I also want Brian like you know does does this unique situation factor in for him? You know the bucks if no if Kovin doesn't happen I, mean a lot a lot of things change but like the bucks were the best team in the NBA statistically they overwhelmingly great and did the hiatus disrupt them in and then everything that happened with them. you know with the postponement I mean there's there's a lot of exterior factors. I think that have Kinda gone into this year and maybe maybe that factors in and there's a new perspective for us I just remember two, thousand, nine, cavs, sixty, six wins true terrible match up for them. against the Orlando Magic they they. They had gone eight no, the first two rounds of the playoffs. wasn't like they were They weren't like they weren't built for the playoffs. They were just really poorly built for the magic. magic. Knock him out four to could Lebron for one. And their heart is in their throat about Lebron because he's going into last year is the on they. Panicked Trade for Shaquille O'Neal. And what's the bucks panicked trade for Chris Paul was There I don't know I I've been thinking about that one. Before we continue with the show I, WanNa tell you more about our shows presenting sponsor company is very near and dear to my heart and the heart of my entire family. My grandfather worked for goodyear for over fifty years and good. Your believes that movement drives us forward that every mile traveled brings us one step closer to our goals. A good you're also believes in the importance of arrest stop taking a breather to pause and reflect on the road ahead. Sometimes that's all we need to keep going to compose ourselves before we start moving forward again. So as you get ready to start moving again, good years here to help visit goodyear dot com to learn more goodyear more driven. I. Love When you Throw Fund, where would Chris Paul be betrayed to? I think I I look at three teams. Bobby knows better than me but I look three teams as the most likely destinations that Philly. New York Knicks and Milwaukee, the three teams that I think are are logical places. The day of Having to attach things to Chris. Paul Yeah exactly. Yeah I think so. I I mean great. As he was this year I, think the thunder if they get anything, they train them. This is their time to sell high right like this strike while they aren't oh. Hi Sell period. Yeah. Well, I. Mean if you saw Chris Paul's farewell video that's essentially what it was to me on twitter of where he was kind of saying like thanks for the year guys'll. With stats, a thing would have Sam Prestige has built with Roy you're the expert with them. Have they build these harassers they just kinda turn guys overwrite like they never like as I said with like Schroeck shoot at and even an like they're not going to go in at twenty one, fifty, million dollars cap space, right? Like they're going to turn those guys into maybe an extension or another player it just kind of just got wheels keep on going here and it's not like Chris just going to that forty four million dollars is going to expire off the books he will probably. Turn into something else here. Yeah. There's a there's a through line that you can connect to basically like Kurt Thomas. Even further back from that the thunder that they just they basically take a player and turn them into like a twenty five year asset. I mean that's what they do. I mean while a lot of people thought they should you know wave Carmelo Anthony stretch away that dude it turned into shooter I don't know what they're going to give her a guy like shooter but like that's what they do. So yeah, I mean they're not they're not gonNA here's here's a little. Interesting Nugget It'll be interesting bobby if after not paying Malcolm Brogden, after not wanting to pay Malcolm Brogden. And then really suffering from that lack of playmaking. Guard. That's a bucks when when traded for Chris, Paul and paid for. Like I I don't even know what that trade would even have to look like no, you know somebody somebody told me Brian and they made it is I know all roads lead back thunder here from me but. They kind of said that the the Brogden trade is like the like the poor man's hardened trade it could be like that. For the the bucks you know in some ways, it's obviously not as impactful, but it could be the type of thing where they look back on it and that was Kinda, financially driven move and they did pay the guy and things kind of looked different for them in the postmortem of making that trade. Well, you know that. Nothing can be taken just in a vacuum the concept over they let Malcolm Brogdon walk with. What happened was? Worried about his injury history and they just they preferred Eric bledsoe yeah. exterinate extended Eric Right. In the middle of the in March, I would just say there Eric Bledsoe has represented by rich Paul. And love when Hong Rich Paul's leave negotiating. Is. A guy named Mark Termi. WHO's been an agent for? Thirty years only we're so it. Kevin Edwards when I was in New Jersey that was the for the first guy preclude the airport. The first. Kevin, Edwards? Okay, the Paul's finest. So Mark Termi has a long reputation of being A. Rock to negotiate against okay. his one of his signature moves was he held Jim Jackson out? Until March he was rookie when he got drafted by Dallas. And he held Jim Jacks out until. March. Back before there was a rookie scale and there could be holdouts. If. Rich Paul and Mark Termi. Agree to a contract extension. Before guy gets to. Free. Agency. I would advise you not to sign that extension if you're the team because that means that they think it's a better deal they can get in free agency and I'm telling you nobody is going to have nobody is going to have. Out researched the market. Now. He may not win every negotiation but I'm GonNa tell you nobody will about who will have worked harder to research the market the mark terminate. So when Eric Bledsoe signed that contract extension, it was great for Eric. BLEDSOE. In the bucks. Obviously. Happy. But I was like, wow, rich did not let him go to free agency. He must take. This is a great deal. because riches unrelenting richest help rich and Germany held out Tristan Thompson into. November JR Smith until December. I. Don't even remember. Felt like December whatever it was. And they didn't even let blood-soaked the get the free agency so. That was the real decision they took bledsoe over over Brogden. You can't just let Brogden walk as it wasn't them being cheaper per se because they. Re signed box. Siglo. Well, that's another I I know. The thing about that is they didn't use amnesty, but we're not going down that path. It would just pitch. Here's the thing about a lot of people connect the Knicks to Chris. Paul because of the the Leon rose connection was agent. I, thought the Knicks are kind of taking next year bobby Do they want Chris Paul I think they want to high pick the twenty twenty one but I don't know maybe they WanNa play in twenty twenty, one free agency and having Chris Paul, and the roster would help them do that. I mean your inheritance forty and forty, four, million dollars I mean that's that's kind of what's coming in near net takes away your fiscal basically room. This year in maybe takes away most twenty one because if the cab restage stays at a At. One hundred nine million here. So Y-. You connected to that we have. That's because Leon in New York, but you know there's another team that's got the dowse picks porzingas trae got young players year in the nail. saw that money ignited slide in there. But I think if you're looking at getting hers kind of more like how does he influenced Rice you see it in Oklahoma City with the younger players there and how good he is been from a leadership standpoint. What is that how what is that? How how did they factor in the way that compared to all that money? They've been back Yemen, the Knicks GonNa have this like we have adults in the room type of leg mentality right now right like there's kind of a cultural reset, it seems like it's going on nothing really emphasizes that like getting Chris. Paul. Who? Did an unbelievable job in Oklahoma City like you mentioned body with young players from a leadership perspective within the organization I mean he virtually coaches the team, half the time he just he just kind of enhances your organization in in a holistic sense. Yeah. He's thirty five. He's on a crap ton of money coming up, which is well, it is fine to rise 'cause help probably hopefully doesn't but like sustain like a hamstring next year and was like Oh man contracts terrible. Unbelievably healthy throughout this year I mean thunder will be willing to take the phone call. He he missed one game one game all year. Yeah, it's almost like it was by his choice it was after both. That's right. They both needed each other Chris Paul near the thunder in the media Chris. Paul they both maximize that. And now, maybe they should move on Would the thunder like Al Horford I know that they tried to sign him a few years ago Donovan, I got there and they went to Boston instead. I mean they've got Steven Adams whose extension eligible this summer but. I keep saying this summer the summer is over. The fall maybe winter might be the winning right Would they take out Horford because you know can you imagine Chris Paul like ordering Joel embiid around? Ordering ordering Ben Simmons around I mean that might actually work I mean look the thunder going to have to take salary back in in some regard I mean, that's just the nature of the deal I think I think the years would be a a concern. What is Horford? Left three years now after this to guaranteed bobby yeah he's got to guaranteed in the last year. It's half in if. It's got some triggered age as far as getting the NBA line. News you. Think he's not like the seventy guaranteed. But if you if you attach pick or young player in in basically you just extend the asset of Chris Paul again right, which is an extension of Russell Westbrook. So like that's that's essentially what you're doing and I think the thunder would probably view somebody like Horford has again a good cultural fit within the organization I. Don't know if he's like tangible player because. By all appearances wants to make the move to move on from Chris Paul. That's kind of when they're going to hit the reset button. That's when I start tearing down some of the pieces Schreuder will go adams might go. and. They'll start to. SORT. Of Begin their first-ever re-build since they moved to Oklahoma City. I don't know how Horford would fit into that they may try to then. Looked to to move on again and may just kind of be recycling those types of pieces over and over again. That's one of the big deal I don't think we're going to see a lot of action in free agency, of course we will but. There's going to be a whole lot of movement the trade markets where the big movement in the off season is going to be in Chris Paul is one of the big things out there for sure and I also think that there's You know Bobby. I think there's Six or seven teams that are really primed to make a deal. You know. So not not for Chris Paul but like you know that are you Chilly. Only remember. Brooklyn make some deal. Our Brooklyn's going to move right for sure. Aside wouldn't think. Before we go. Andrew Han would not let me post this podcast. If he found out in the last week that are bobby marks. Went to high school with David Blaine. I wanted I wanted to grammar school at him to okay Gr-. dovers house. How does that Sound Okay Boy Royce Andrew Nothing to stop talking about this He. I honestly think he finds us. More, fascinating. Than if he had found out that bobby was married to Kim Kardashian. I. Think Yossi would've felt that was more mazing. I mean Look I've sat at mini table with Bobby, and he'll casually start rattling off these stories that are just like blowing your mind of like just unbelievable NBA experiences and then just to top it obviously. Oh. Yeah. I Know David Blaine. Orders. Choice Bobby real names, David Kalo forever for anyone out there who who calls David Blaine but yeah, I grew up with A. Bucolic Hey blue-collar. Yeah, I actually said Andrew kind of name that you would call somebody by actually sent Andrew a picture from when we played football in fifth grade from the teen picture of him smack DAB right in the middle there number fifteen. What is bushy. Dark Hair. But yeah, he did not do magic in Grammar School I. Think he started towards the tail end of highschool here. Deepak. Play football or the backs back to pass. The balls, the balls don't the. Lane has the ball in the endzone doubted blame. Way. To the. Backfield. So here's the funny story. Real quick is that in the back door in Pandemic A. School. They asked me to do one of the video tributes, the graduating seniors or eighth graders whatever you're. So they sent me the copy and I felt like I was going to be like the a-list celebrity. And I like I was number one to on the list, and then all of a sudden Harry comes guy number four David blue-collar slash lane. I was the feed. Oh. Man. So he saw you bobby would he be like bobby what's up man? Yeah I saw last. Game. Wow Well Andrew there's your David boy. I, think he was hoping for like I don't have any magic story took your lunch money out of your back. into now. Now, it was a good. It's a good relationship. There's no magic's going to be preached on me. I'M NOT GONNA disappear because I was mean to him in high school now. Is Very, no is very well known in addition to magic for. Dating. Some models and and women at caliber. How did? He stay in a senior forgot her name was and I think when he first started out bud. Was did he use Magic to I would say? I would say there's probably a difference between playing football. For High School compared to. Do Magic on Broadway or burn yourself alive or flown over to the grand. Canyon. With balloons. Holders Breath for like five win that one of those things she is anybody. Even though we've blurred vision, it's another your voice to lose. Okay What are you tell you? What do you tell you the secret of one if? Not Tell me the secret now. Can't. Bobby doesn't tell them the secrets and seller. Yourself. I will. Collective podcast. David Blaine information for the week Appreciate. It everyone heavy Hope you had a good. Labor Day holiday and we'll be talking to you.

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Ep #114  Sean Lanyi

Junior Golf Blueprint

53:31 min | 11 months ago

Ep #114 Sean Lanyi

"You don't stand over golf ball and feel like you're fully committed than half invested in the in the motion in the pot in in the chip on the pitch for the pool shots. So I mean I think a player has to like literally grade their commitment level that was brought to you. By Boy Sean Laney. He is a junior golf coach of junior golf coaches. He is eight point certified as become recognized for his putting green. Reading a short game coaching abilities. He's one of the best. Young Teachers in America Mentor under the license of stand up and Travis Fulton Craig's farm worth and Mark Sweeney. He's got docket. List of expertise of coaches have led him to become a coach that he is so sit back. Enjoy take notes. Because he's got a great thing to share with us today and a great story to tell so and if you don't already follow Michigan go down the show notes picked up his social media handles and go check them out so without any further ado. Let's jump into this episode. Arlos gentleman today on the show. We're bringing on another top coach in the country. He's been on the golf channel. He's got all kinds of awesome stuff for US lineup. Today in the show he's also had a chance to be a direct restriction out in Hawaii. So you get your little low hog going on here to Should be an interesting Exposure because I've now sees the second coach. I've talked to has had a chance to be coach in Hawaii. I'm a little jealous of that. 'cause Nashville the weather can be very questionable. But his name Sean Lanny. He's a junior golf and Disa- overall golf coach and but what he does really. Well I think for the kids is help them understand how to get to get the college had to learn how to read. Greens with aim point but then they also cool thing that he's doing now as well we'll get into a little bit more is doing stuff to give back to our military and doing all schools for them. So we're I'm really interested in talking about that and how best we can help get back to our military sean. Say hello to everybody and give us your story. How did you get into the game of golf for sure? How you doing? It all started for me getting into golf late. I really was a multi sport athlete. I've played Ice Hockey. I played tennis soccer. You name it. I played it growing up. I did actually get into golf until Really my junior senior year high school. I picked it up really late playing ice hockey in tennis. I think allowed me to pick it up fairly quickly but you know I did Did fortunately find a local coach His name is larger down at Your Country Club in southern cal and I remember him well he was You know who's riding with the right type of guidance and advice it was non technical. It was geared specifically towards just understanding my connection to the golf club I had to have a a decent way position. My hands on the club. I couldn't just slap hands on. Make swing like I would with Steph or tennis racket so You it really established an understanding for fundamentals from the beginning Really didn't play Competitive for the first year. I just kind of learned learned. The you know the INS and outs of the game. And that really gave me a lot of respect for it so that's kind of where it all started for me. I. I did decide after high school to play some play some some college golf in preparation. I realize that I needed to enhance my understanding for the game and attended the professional golfers College partly due to the fact that they probably was Not In the right mindset to follow an education. I wanted to play more golf at that golf bug if you will that That education with great and helped me out and gave me a associates degree in professional golf management Wouldn't have traded for Raheel bad for my mom and dad that front the bill for my attendance there but all in all it did pave the way for a career in the golf industry and you know after obviously a career in the golf industry where. I started You know I was starting off as a player I played college golf finished up in San Diego But you know how to injury and unfortunately the the injury kind of set me back from the playing side of it so I got back on my on my education and my degree that I went to college for and unfortunately that kind of got me where I am today. Kind of set me up to work. It's really good facilities and like you said. I went out to Hawaii pen. Start off my full time teaching career. I was very blessed in that respect. It's it's interesting. How you know our our life? Journeys dabbled down these. These rose that you can't you can't predict where it's GonNa take you right after you know you get the golf thing about playing you play a little bit even having even have a professional win under your belt right and then pain right and then you're like will wasting what's happening and then find a way to start teaching teaching ball and I mean I doubt your deck of cards. When you're in high school you thought you'd be a director of instruction out in Hawaii. Yeah I mean honestly to to go through that type of experience. I was playing The Golden State and Pepsi toward the Butch Harmon or gateway or Canadian where I was bouncing all over the place and he was a great experience absolutely wouldn't trade for the world. I was super young. I didn't know. Outta managed schedules. I didn't know how to practice And then at the end the day at started developing this pain probably saved for the for the parents. Out there for the coaches out there when a player does have any level of pain. I wouldn't just neglect that. I wouldn't just say okay. You need to go to a doctor and and you know. Take some shots a cortisone. Because at the end of the day I went to a doctor and the doctor basically said you know what song. Let's just fire up some shots cortisone. And let's let's tell that arm that you're okay and and for those of you don't now. I had Basically a form of Tommy John Surgery I had The triceps tendon had to be cut back. The the mirror had to release the owner had released and I had a lot of pressure on the older Norwich at impact when my right arm as a right handed Golfer was that nerve was essentially being stretched to a point where I had this like excruciating pain. That would fire at my arm so the doctor. Of course you know I mean. He probably didn't know any better and he just wanted to help me out Not GonNa say he did this intentionally. But I had absolutely no business having cortisone shots and you know as as it shakes out. I go to this unbelievable Gal. Her name is Alice call down in southern California she's an TPI level three medical professional and she knows for stuff and she tells me now that I needed Soft Asha Treatment I needed treatments to my neck and my shoulder and my arm and all that basically does it allows the nerve be live more and you know I probably didn't eat. Surgery probably just needed some treatments and You know but unfortunately I did up surgery and I had to take a good ten eleven months away from actually golf or any activity with my right arm and I. I was very fortunate to have a trainer who unbelievably knew how to Rehab. My arm and Roy. Oriel always be oil to him. He's one of the top Fitness trainers in southern California In Orange County. And he works with CAL. State Fullerton and a bunch of other college programs and He was the guy who created little gizmos for me to get a club back in and actually figure it out but gave me a better respect for. I finally got involved with a few years after this surgery that I went through and understood the the role of the body and understood the role of dealing with a medical professional versus just going and seeing a doctor and having cortisone I kinda learn the hard way in that case. But you know there's a lot of injuries out there and I always I always Taylor that whether it's a junior or an adult. I asked you know the player. If they've had injuries. In my assessment process I get to know him on a level. Where hey are you? Are you in discomfort? What's going on in your body whether I'm working on. They're putting stroke. I'm working on their full sway. I'm not interested in the player being any level of discomfort because I know ultimately that's going to cause some issues to their motion so for all you dolphins out there. I think just you know. Reach out to your local pro. I'm sure your local pro will actually make a suggestion or you know somebody that can assist them with you. Know a treatment or a better movement pattern or things like that. So it's interesting to talk about you. Know Hindsight's twenty twenty right and you look back and could have been in. Its when when injury occurs to. It's always good to look at what's going on above and below where it hurts right right. And like my. My wife had a wrist injury in in college in I it was crazy because we started active release therapist in the do start working his way all way from Orissa up to her neck and it was like help. Relieve some of the pain. I'm like well hold on a second now. The wrist bone doesn't connect to the collarbone. What's going on here you know. And it's like yeah and that's why I started to learn more about like you said kind of learn about the bodies understand like you know a pain in your hip could because something of in your back or something and your thighs. I mean there's a lot going on there And so I I take it. That's kind of what led you learn like you said with the TI stuff and you can put that to kids too and and help them. You know do things to prevent injury. Yeah and I don't focus my energy on being a on a golf fitness specialist. I I allow myself to tap into other resources so that I can focus on what I feel like. I'm passionate about like you mentioned you. Know having the ability to focus on being a putting and greeting folks Short game coach. I do focus a lot on that so you know if a player does ask. I have somebody in my back pocket. I can highly suggest that flat person's development and you know I got into that also because look I'm involved with Patriot missiles and the Patriot Foundation. And we're working extremely hard Throughout the country to to grow our Our awareness and to grow grow the partnerships in you know tapping into these these military veterans and their families that have put their lives on the line. And now what we're doing is word creating opportunities for them to learn how to get into golf. And we're you know requiring all these Interested people that want to donate and they want to donate it's a tax deductible donation Partnering with Patriot. All Foundation to host these golf schools and a lot of corporations are seriously contemplating for two thousand twenty The involvement with Patriot Golf Foundation. Because of the fact we have a company that in the month of March is matching donations. And then on top of that we have you know all these corporate Companies in the in the world that are finding that look. You know what we want to give back. We want to give our funds our money that that are allocated towards donations to something that has direction to it. And I think that's the one big thing. Obviously when you work with somebody that you know has had a tragedy overseas in battle and they come back and they've lost touch with the team at all from as a golf coach. I can actually help a military veteran. Take some basic skills some love and passion for the game and they can actually like revisit that love and they can they can add that that little twist that little value to how they were playing the game before the injury making it back to you know feeling the same feel when they hit a golf shot. I mean it's pretty neat when when all things are said and done how we as. Golf pros coaches naturally help. These people have put their lives on the line for us Which is pretty cool. So I'm very fortunate to be involved with with Patriot Gospels and that's you know and that's something that I think is is an interesting arena too because one golf becomes a little bit more than a game for guys like them. You know what I mean like. It allows them to have an outlet in a different way to find something to channel their energy towards and urges. Give Him two hours of a relief away from whatever you know dwelling on their mind right. And we just had our Our annual meeting for the the section. And we'd do offer. Pj Hope They're trying to grow that in our area a lot and it's a phenomenal thing. But it's just like you know he's talking about like the vets and some of the sometimes are injured in in. May they're missing limb and the lady was like okay? You know this half room. Stand on your left leg. Walk in my station in this room. I want you to closure right I. Yeah and they're like you know she lets the group in the other side of the room. It's like okay it's been about five minutes left. Lakeville like and then and then now imagine trying to hit a golf ball after standing on your left leg for the last five minutes to psych cheese. Yeah let's not perspective right. Oh man you sit there. And like God's a whole new appreciation rating but it has to try and figure it out and I've actually had a couple online clients. I've worked with one guy was in the wheelchair where you know it's been around. You can swing from the chair. And he was paralyzed from the neck down and we were just talking strategies for him to you know figure out a way to make better contact and in is just like he's like well you know just imagine tying yourself to your wall and trying to move your arm so I might. Yeah okay. That's that's tough there. Something out you know. It's it's remarkable. Those people still have the you know the creativity when when you really work. I recently worked with a stroke victim. Entire left side of his body was literally not even a part of his movement pattern. So you know we. We had to rely on our CANDLEMAS risks on China to learn something different that he didn't do his right hand and his right hand of course is not as dominant hand so we had to teach a motorcycle. I mean we had teach them how to turn his body and I mean once once that like the awareness for what they're trying to learn whether it's a stroke victim or a a guy or Gal that's overseas and experiences a tragedy and an explosion or whatnot. Next thing you know. They're losing a lemon and we have to give them the tools to learn how to play the game again. I mean there's so much joy when you get a military veteran to to get back to that basic of experiencing club contact the golf ball on the golf ball fine straight like. They wanted to plan like they have control over that again. I mean it's pretty neat. That's that's why we do it. I mean Seth Glasco is the founder Nicholas Flick instructor. He brought me on to join the Nicholas Flick. Group of instructors years ago and quite frankly Him and said Simon's put this together and you know they have a lot of support. They have a lot of coaches like Martin Hall and Skip Kendall and layered small and all these all these fantastic instructors. That are a part of this master staff instructor lists and you know quite frankly all we're trying to. We're trying to make a difference and I think at the end the day. That's that's a big part of my coaching. Philosophy is just make a difference. Yeah that's it right. I mean it's it's the the reward isn't necessarily the shooting. A low round reward is the impact or given back to somebody in. That's where I was asked a question. Their Day is like you know what you know. What would you want your players to say about you? You know long after you're done working with each other. Whatever and I said as long as my players are willing to come back. Sit down and eat lunch with me. They don't have to say what they can say whatever they want but if there's one as long as they're willing to have that relationship still that even effort on work and whether it was a kid and now he's twenty thirty years old and having a family. Whatever I'm an old decrepit guy at that age. Whatever as long as they wanted to come back and have you know just have lunch and just chat and catch up. That's more than them to go around speaking my praises as a golf coach. That relationship mad. I mean that goes down the road where you're you're forming friendships. You're forming trusts. And you know those those relationships those friendships when you when you are a coach. I think that goes a long way versus trying to just every player trying to fill them with knowledge. You now and again it goes back to like even when teaching kids to I mean. Kids are a funny animal when it comes to a golf lesson in. Abbey interesting to hear your take on this tubes because you just don't really know what's going through your mind like I've had kids at have had issues at home had issues at school bullying or whatever and you know all especially the social media now and so you never really know what's going to walk in for a golf lesson and sometimes you just get this calls. We just kind of look at the kid and you're like we really need to hit off all today or do you just want to talk about something. And so what's it? So what's a lesson like with you with the you know when you're teaching these junior golfers and you talked about how your coach would find ways than the non technical aspect but like what's something that you try to relate to your kids and with something to kind of like you know stay in the was. It was a stay up to the current status quo. W-what teenager Cullen through. Yeah I guess you know if a younger let's say under ten year old I think the fun factor has to be like right there front and center. You know the the child the junior golfer that they're gonNA turn into Again focusing on just under ten years old it has to be treated differently has to You know it has to be given in in layers of learning. I call it. And I think if the coaches giving feedback and input towards the gripper ball position or how they position their body how they bend in fold from their knees in their hips and how they make a you know a back swing how. They brushed the grass. On the way through I mean if there is a skill that learning it definitely has to happen in phases it has happened in the favor planes. Some Games some some challenging things that make some think versus just what we all call block crackles for. They're just hitting the same shot over and over again it really. It's a ten year old is GONNA be engaged for like three seconds when they asked the hit one shot after the other after the other after the other which does take me back to you know. I I do remember my first lesson. He gave me great. Like I'm so grateful for that but I remember my even liked this day. My Dad and I like this guy had me hit the same shot for like thirty minutes straight and I mean fortunately I got through that and I still saw love for the game and I'm grateful that I learned some basic fundamentals but I mean I was the least bit engaged in that type of environment and I was definitely the type that would go out and go play like I love playing. I remember playing my her share every single morning Monday through Friday. I'd play nine holes before my my first period So getting you the golf course at five thirty to go play and be being done at seven and then you know it's my eight o'clock class was what it's all about my senior year. I love playing and so I do take the game based learning opportunities which is Kinda like what. Us could golf and what operation. Thirty six have embraced. These game based ideas are how I work on. You know jeered offers and again under ten their speed control their pace controlled. Start Line hitting the ball on good lines controlling pace Rewarding on you know makes rewarding on Mrs. I actually incorporate quite a bit with younger players a point system that years and focuses their attention on actually missing the plot and being okay with missing the pipe because when a kid learns they have to make the PUTT. It's it's like a life and death scenario when they miss the PUTT and actually no they miss a PUTT. And it's the end of the world and so I'll give them a positive point if they hit the ball in a certain parameter game negative points and they hit it really high negative points when they ended the whole negative points from the really low and they start getting real worried. We play for scoops of ice cream or milk shakes and next thing you know I mean those are the tangible things that At a child Jere Golfer under the age ten. I think really does do quite well. Y You know you start taking a kid. That's you know the junior golf level to say high school. Prep in the you know years hassle change and think that's where I do. Focus a ton of energy with that age group for kids that are you know looking to refine at routines routines. I think are vital for players of that age really developed Most kids don't have practice routines most kids at age. Don't have a pre shot routines that can really stick to and they can really develop and I think that's That's a fun part. That should be a fun part. You Know Mike. Boyko with the risk You know the Mike Bender School Golf. That's where he's based out of. He has tempo in motion. And I think creating a routine at centered around the understanding of present in in the face position. Your eyes position your body to the handle. The Golf Club. Bring your is back. So there's some sense of target awareness and from there. Mike Technology with Campo emotion is basically a ready set backstroke impact or a back. Swing top swing impacts of there is some correlation to the Czech winton the routine and then check points in the swaying and it allows a junior golfer to be super engaged. What they're actually physically doing. Which is what it's all about you. You talked about Wins milkshakes and stuff where you want to see. Somebody come out of the woodworks. You offer me a chocolate milkshake game on actually played sixfold with a young theme out in a Portland. Yesterday is named Macklin Probably one of the coolest four year olds that I've ever worked with probably one of the most talented orioles. Let me add that. I've ever had a chance to work with since you started about a year ago. Man I mean we were playing. I got four scoops of ice cream Yesterday he got one supervisor. We had an intense match going on. And and you know. I think you'd probably get point to kind of circle back this a little bit about like hurt purposely missing shots and it's it's funny you bring that up 'cause just yesterday. I was teaching girl where I will mention names. Dow Talented Radio. She hit laugh and be like why hitting the lab. You'll hit straight. And then she hits the right but why he didn't write hits straighten out her. I'm like why did you hear left hits right because you need to know how to here right like it's okay. If you're on the driving range practicing if you only know one direction straight you only know half the golf course and that's not gonNA help you out and it's the same thing. We were trying to learn the face of the golf club. You know if you're hitting in the whole time bang a bunch off the to- learn where the toes at so you can find the center you know and. I think that's something that you know it. It's tough as a parent because I am even as a kid to serve as a parent especially because you don't want your kid right but at the same time it's okay to hit some bad shots that are you know say bad shots and let realm of like if you're hitting it fat a lot hit a few thin right but it's it's funny because two or so ago. I had the opportunity I teach next to the men's and women's teams for Vanderbilt and John Augustine the young woman that lost in the final round of the US. Right Is Good friends with Justin Thomas and Webb Simpson. And so he's getting a lot of you know early. Start to his professional. Chris GONNA KICK AWFULLY GRADUATES IN. He was telling me like this is like the stuff that like. Jt's doing that. He learned from tiger is going out and learning how to hit a hundred and twenty yard fifteen yards slice with a six hundred and like he's talking about how just was telling him where it's like it was like she here savion hearsay. But you know it's like tiger pulled off about the marijuana. It is doesn't matter what the shot is in hit it and jaws on the floor like I never thought about this. He's saying they're trying to stone. Seventeen straight six hundred now. Jt's in that pocket of like trying to hit trying to learn how to miss it trying to learn how to hit a pool how to cut how to hit a pull draw. Whatever I think that's overrated because a lot of kids and I'm GONNA put like I was at the Amish eldest stage of that spectrum where tire came out and it's like we gotta be perfect as only one win by twenty be pertinent to say that that that's like it creates acceptance of mistakes to absolutely right hundred percent. You're talking about ball flights and changing ball flight. So you know we're going to get technical. A coach player can work on the understanding of half and face but in reality if you could just put yourself back in that met commercial. That Tiger was in downtown. New York hitting shots in Manhattan after his windows off at the different tiers building. He's basically just firing shots at level one windows level to windows and he just changing ball flights based off what he's doing with his visualization but more importantly these kind altering the state of how as his club's moving golf super cool but it's super non technical and that that commercial came at a bad time in my life where I was a disgruntled teenager. Who was willing to do something like that and I was actually out of course with. They were there down factory on the edge and my buddy and I may or may not have pulled off to the side and try it was. It was already down. It wasn't a fully function fat. They already have broken windows all throughout it and we were just kind of like. Hey look there's a window over there. We got published balls in our pocket and we'd try to nail it man. It was mean I said Boehner is while even thought to do was because of that tiger. Add so don't worry about that. Trespassing record I got as a teenager but you know I think you're right. That acceptance in trading Mrs But. I think also to like knowing what caused that. Miss is a huge bowel for life. Because I'm sure you're you get this a lot to or a kid walks up to you and they're like I don't know why it's going last and you're like you do know why it's going left you just you know you're you're wanting meet Italian you instead of trying to figure out on their own threat. I mean that's Kinda your alternate goal is to get a player right regardless whether it's a child to an adult to be able to actually be their own coach. I know George Jenkins brought this out in a video that you released you know. He wants his players to be their own coach and I think to a certain degree. It's nice to have a step in with a player and give them some real clear clarity on what their mindset needs to be at but like when a player's out plan I think that's what he meant in that video when they're out playing and they had that one bad ball shop like that's the moment that they can step in and say you know what I did. This setup with caused this in my swing. This is what I needed to. Just go back to them. Being able to be their own coach which is like the ultimate goal the absolute so talked. I WANNA I wanna get into the stuff a little bit especially with the kids and then I have another question at the tail end of that regarding Kinda like on learning if you will accept. It'll tie in pretty well but when when it comes to your heavy in the point and putting short game. I mean you're like the guy you look at your resume. How has a implant express help your junior golfers become better putters? Yeah so as simple as it is. Eight point is the ultimate feel based green reading system. It's it's not relying on the player to hang putter in Plumb Bob. It's not causing a player to walk circles around the ball in the hole. Simply Bev strategies the players regardless of their age and skill level they literally have strategies for shortcuts. They have strategies for single breaking in multiple breaking putts so it really should allow the player regardless of who they are Their skill level where they play. They literally walk up. They have a strategy for that but it takes them ten seconds so when I say strategy short putts there's a plan there's a reference point for where they actually read slope from 'cause slopes not flat. And when you look at it with Your Eyes Your Eyes optically unfortunately. Just give you the wrong message. And then I've learned all this from not by any other Lucky scenario but Dr Craig. is my mentor. And he's basically the PUTT doctor. He's the reason why I have turned out to be I guess as passionate as I am with putting and greenery but you know when when a player takes the walk around the ball of the whole may look from different vantage points. They're literally going to see a bunch of different like optical perceptions of what the Puck is GonNa do and so. I just really tried to take a player Again regardless whether they're six years old fifty years old and I just try to get them into the mindset that look they have a ten second plan for the plot and they have to go get their read. It's GonNa take less than ten seconds. They're gonNA come back to their golf ball and they haven't recision that they've already made based off the field on their feet in the field on their feet or the flexing their knees or the pressure in their legs. It actually tells them exactly what the slopes doing. It does take a little bit of training. Important Express reading workshops for the most part. There's about a thirty minute window in the beginning of a of a training that actually does require the player to feel what flaps subtle in severe slopes Then we actually learn as golfers to sign values slopes and Max tunnel where the decision making goes the player literally as a process they stick to and it. It creates clarity. It creates a non guessing factor. At what a Putz GonNa do so that you know the player can step up and you know from what I've learned with my sports psychologists Kevin spiritual key literally has trained me to realize that every player has to at the end of the day. Only commit what they've decided to do. And if if you don't stand overall feel like you're fully committed then you're half invested in the in the motion in the pot in in a chip in the pitch for the full shot. So I mean I think player hassle like literally grade their commitment level and I mean there's so much that's tied into tech green reading but to simply enter that you got a ten second processing routine at any level. Golfer can go through and it's very simple. Little bit of training goes a long way and all that does it gets that offer ready to commit. And I think it's IT'S A game changer. It really has been. That's why I think you see guys. And gals on all tours. They're all using aim point to a certain degree. The vast majority of caddies are fully trained on understanding point Pretty much every college player in the country has been given the opportunity to learn it Some fully commit to it and some don't but You know definitely gets away from the norm. You know looking at a pilot with your eyes. 'cause you're is can't really see the curb mentioned well and and that's that's the thing that was interesting to me because I've been through a few eight point clinics Not to certify but just to do to understand you know how this thing works. This was like years ago but When I hit the scene but the thing that was interesting to me was one of the classes. I one of the first or second I attended. We had a blind individual attend the class in that dude painted up so much faster than everybody else because he couldn't see it right he's already. He was already kind of aimed pointing as it was right. Based off a how you felt right and so he this they just had to figure out a way for him to get the slopes you figured out like you said. He had a better appropriate section in his feet the comfy out what was going on but yeah obviously than having somebody helped aim him was the the challenge right because you couldn't see the whole but he could say like man. It was down to like the you know. Is this a three percent slope or one percent slope or a six percent slope and he was like he was Naeli? I Mike I'm over here like that. Seems like seven. It was two and a half well cramp and I think with kids. I think the thing that's interesting with kids is like you know in in in this is kind of. I was GONNA lead to the on. Learning part in the parents is like how much time do you have to do? You have to spend convincing the parents or even kids that like to unlearn the whole like Plumb Bob sit down behind the line. Read it from both sides kind of stuff. The old school Cow You know. Use Your eyes techniques to be like you're wasting time just use your feet feel it out. Get the percentage. Use Your finger and go. Yeah I think the proof is in the pudding the crew in the concept of seeing better results. You know when when a player misses a pot. They have to ask themselves. The question is it. is the misled because of a poor read or is it because of their poor. Am or poor speed and generally it all starts with their read if they're reads good and then they can aim properly Then they could hit it with proper speed on a proper line. I mean they're gonNA THEY'RE GONNA make cuts they're gonNA do some pretty darn good things but you know generally in that order. One of those things are off. I am heart heart conversations with players. I I do have group workshops I might have. Let's say like six people that might be my Max I don't have more than six generally And what I really try to do is just try to try to show. You know the fact that look. We can go through this. We get our read. We have a decision made now. We just have to accommodate whether the slope goes downhill. And that's GonNa Change Arming Point but in reality like you know when when players hit shots and they see the way. The ball reacts like all that does it actually like does allow them to see like. Hey I knew what I can trust this like. If basically the bald behaves we'll call it. Behaves behaves in a very predictable manner. Like that's what it's all about predictability with aim point. I think is is Super Important. So you know the player that like myself. I was not a very good putter through college I controlled speed. But I. I didn't ever start the ball in the correct mind because I never read it correctly and Tim Tucker was the first guy that actually taught me the chart system Which we do not use aim point expresses now much. I feel. It's much more accurate. It's much quicker less complex and I spent a ton of time with mark which is the founder rain and honestly like I feel like decision making and then the commitment level like it's easier to make a decision and now I can commit to it a whole lot easier than I used to. And it's it's allow me just to focus on my number one weaknesses. My aim my green. Reading skill is not my weakness. My amy of the hunter face at my specific target is my challenge. That's what a lot of golfers challenge sweat so you know I think at the end of the day all it really does you know allows us to take that Claire. Whoever they are whatever tour their plan honor whatever event. You're competing It just gets them to go. You know what I don't have to waste time walking around. I don't have to waste time kneeling down at a player in Vegas two days ago. Who had both knees replace really really good like forty year old club champion from the Summit Club in Vegas and you know two knee replacements? And he couldn't crouch down but that's what he relied on so talking about unlearn. He couldn't physically like crouched behind the ball to look slow and so I mean he picked it up and he loved it because he can literally walk up. Get go back to the golf ball factor in the speed whether it's Downer uphill like I mentioned and then literally. He's just right into his routine to his crack stroke and he's fully committed to his planning just those and you trust it and I think a player has to see the value in a point. They have to see that look. It's very accurate and it's not a glorified gas you don't have to use a a ball. Marker that tells you the slope level you don't use the ball marker to line the ball. La To help you with your point. You literally have a system in place to get you. Dial in to make a committed stroke And it literally takes ten seconds to get the read You know you. You're lucky 'cause you got joe right in your town who is a fantastic ambassador for eight point and I spend a bunch of time around him over the years and I know since you probably learned that you probably learned a an older version of aim point and over the years we find like way more simplified practices and way more like accurate practices for aim point. And that's why every year we meet as instructors and we we evolve and we make it bigger and better and simpler for the Golfer to experience. When it's about is all really trying to do is. We're trying to help golfers that you know. We can all play better golf because that's kind of what we're still going after. Yeah absolutely in. It was funny because I did the first one point it was back with the charts. Right I mean you had like a six inches over here. If it's a three percent slope on ten stamp flipping through pages show. You're trying to figure it out. And then when they came up with the express ally brought. You mean to tell me. It's a one slope. It's a one finger thing might in. Let's go and that. Was You know Super Awesome in? I think again I think for the the thing. That's always interesting to me though. All this cool stuff like you said. It's always evolving new stuff's coming out new ways to research new way to understand How the body works. How the you know what stats actually matter like. Good luck tracks fairways. Greens up announce a putz like. You're not getting nearly all the information you need. is like a Congo's by the UN learning factor. That they're still part of like this. You're still trying to convince the parent like yes. This is the way things need to go and I trust me. I'm taking your kid on the right path. This is all kind of new stuff for you. But there's plenty of research support will redo and right now and you need to trust me on this one and I finally especially at teach dot COM. The older players to the retirees. Like while I read or I heard or you just kind of like. Oh Man Higgins Wall for a minute and honestly I think he the player just has to like realize when they step foot on the golf course and they had five three putts and bay shot eight strokes higher than they normally would. I mean the proof again is right in those results. If they've had six three putts in a mis-read you know eight bucks or ten bucks at the end the day. All you try to minimize the chances remiss read putts terribly. 'cause you have so much. I mean you're obviously going to miss so many pots. I'd have that conversation with that young stud yesterday that four year old and he looked at me kind of like. I was crazy with one. I like to the side. Like I'm GonNa Miss Lewis Putts and I'm GonNa make like what are you talking about new? All I try to do is make us. That's right that's right. Yeah and that's and that's you know. Get back to the whole like you know Missing on purpose to talk right like I do. I do PUTT. Interlock called. Goldilocks right. Answers is super simple. It's like go up. Try Make your first pet if it short. Let's say you're short to make your next? Putt go two feet long. Don't try make it past your third. Putt should be just right. Because now you should have a few short ball two feet long the holes in the middle. You know the short in the long end. You should have the pace down pretty good. If you can do that. Allies you go from. I do all kind of ranges kind of depends on where they're struggling. I've done it up to about forty feet But you know I mean it's it gets obviously gets significantly harder the farther away you go but the goal being like if you because if you just tell them like if you're short go along well then you know if they come up four feet short derail six feet by. It's like okay. You're kinda getting the idea but as ten fees a lot of you know give right so I try and try and keep. Let's try and still keep it within three feet to play the game and sometimes they make the I what do I do now. I just try to start over Kelly. Great job you made the PUTT. Let's go but exactly But it gets back to your whole missing argument. That's why when you said now like yes. Another coach gets it. 'cause it's like it's part of the that like learning the whole spectrum to find the middle not just trying to be perfect and right in in a culture in our perfect is what is perceived as the only way to be good is hard and I think it gets back to what you said to a little bit with the whole learning to be. Okay with mistakes You Know I. It's it's tough as a kid. Because depending on how they were raised. Or how their coach in in a no? You do a great job of this with your. Coaching is the the the shot? And the scored doesn't define who you are as a golfer like that's the ultimate that kids have to understand and getting them to understand like the. Mrs Kay and in Alsace funny lows lines like though hit a shot and it may have been struck well but it came up way short right and so it didn't hit it hard enough and I'll be like they'll look at me like why such bash out no. I was actually a great shot to right there. But we weren't trying to go to right there. You know exactly. Yeah so you coach and some of those young studs you got in your pocket. How do you? This is another great question because I have parents with kids. Have that kind of the quality kid. That's like a phenomenal young age. How do you manage expectations as they grow up? They're gonNA hit Gross Birch. They're gonNA have that awkward phase where their bodies changing and stuff you know. How do you help them? You know understand like yes. You're successful a young age. That doesn't need. That doesn't mean you have to be super successful for your entire development as a kid about I think just having the conversations with parents parents understand their roles I mean the parents have to keep it extremely light extremely fine. They have to be a support system. They have to pick the kid up win. The kid has a a rough day. I think from the KID's perspective. Those kids have to play multiple sports. I think all seen way more documentation win a junior golfer plays seasonal sports and then they you know especially young they get away from the ball and they go play basketball and they go play. You know they. They swim up here in the Pacific. Northwest where I spent a chunk of my time. You know. I'm sorry but outdoor sports. It's just not an option it's it's miserable to go to our daughter's soccer game and sit there and it's pouring down rain and they're running around and it's whatever it's fifty degrees out I know it's not excited for us. But at the end of the ethnic like if if were embracing the fact that look multiple sports can be played. The parent can understand their their role. I think if the kid has a changing a body type in their maturing and they go from playing at such a high level when they start playing poorly they start hitting the ball and they start scoring below their expectations for starters the parents and the player. It's not their fault. It's really not their fault. Like I had this conversation with a a great player Dakota the other day. Who's a fantastic offer in Las Vegas and I told I told her mom and dad? I said when she has a poorer tournament or poor performance. It's not your fault that's my fault. I'm taking that on. I'm taking that as a responsibility to fix that. That is not your fault. You bring anything to my attention about her performance or her routine or her swaying or ball or missed. Putt missed PUTTS. And that's that's for me to focus on a plan so that she has somewhere to go somewhere to work on. I think what that does I mean. Obviously it's a little bit more heat and stress on us as coaches but I mean really. Her job is just step up. Have a plan and just execute versus. Have you know mom or dad? In in any case make a comment about her performance. Next thing you know the player mentally is kind of affected by that and you know. That's I think. Probably the most important advice if if you actually are out there in your child is taking lessons and you're paying for those lessons you're investing a lot time money energy everything. But I'd probably say that when the kid plays poorly because let's face it. Your kid is going to hit some sideways shots. And they're not gonNA score rate from time to time when they have a bad day. Just take a of notes and you could actually provide those notes for the coach. All that feedback that you might want to blast the kid with and tell the kid about that. They're not doing great like literally. All that information can just go straight to the coach. You don't need to say one word all you have to do is just back it up and just helping me get back on track so mentally. They're like hey you know what I had. I had a crappy down the golf course but mom and dad they. Didn't you know verbally abuse me and I? It didn't verbally beat me up in coach now has a plan for what has transpired. And what breaks down when I go. Compete. And you know he is or she is going to help me get back on track In a simple simple way of so I mean super difficult question. But that's how I would probably hamlet. I just really in that whole like a whole conversation interview process I would really make sure the parent knows their role. Like look your kids. They take credit for good shots. I'd take credit for every single bag shop. And if you guys are on your own and I'm out around you have to inform me and get me up to speed on everything baton. They did poorly. But that's between you and I from parent to coach not player. The player does not need to be involved and it's amazing to me the amount of parents that are willing to just absolutely tank their kid in front of him. You know talking to absolutely in in and I think you know obviously I like to make the assumption every kid every parent is doing out of good faith because they're trying to like you know talk about it right but at the same time. It's like the like rob. Bell has a great example. He talks about you know. Just don't talk during the car. Ride home like get home and then if they want to talk about talk about you know. Mccabe Psych three hour window right. Same thing wait for three hours and talk about it and and be surprised to the C How much of that actually shows up like if you wait to the next day to talk about the tournament right and into your point. Then that's great what you said there about making the making the notes and giving it to the coach because that is the better conversation kind of on the side so that we kind of get the Paris perspective because I mean I know you get this to wake you can talk to a parent and it's like Defcon one world going blowing up. There's no they don't have a chance. Yada Yada Yada and then you're like okay and then you walk into the next room. Kids hit balls warming up wherever you go. I'll is pretty good. You know I just did this. That and the other like who's WHO's right here in Europe. I think there's kids don't take it as seriously because they're one kids but two it's like there's some kids. I do take appreciation. They're hard on the cells and stuff like that. I think a lot of kids. You know they. They have an innate bike optimism. You just have to support it and if you don't support it then they're going to be pessimistic like you and that's why you have to be careful about. That's a great point so Boss I know you're a busy man. You gotTA teach golf and I don't want to hold you back from spreading the good word tall the junior golfers and players and making people better and all that fun jazz Sean always like to ask the guest to give us a little bit of something at the back. End of the Of the episode. Just something that inspires for the day or two. Think about after the PODCAST is over. What's something that you live yourself by or that you share with your kids? When you're coach. I made this comment earlier but every single golfer or just my my day to day interactions. I really feel like I. Just try to make an impact. I try to make an impact. So there's some sort of positive impression that I've left on a situation. Not Golf Golf specific but just just some sort of positive twist because there's lot of negative in the world and I feel like if you know if we can kind of take a pause of run with it about whether it's something to start our day. Were you know some opportunity where we can kinda spin our day to day where we can turn that in that bad result or bad round into just you know what the most important lesson mommy is when we stepped off the golf course she kata take one positive away from your experience and it was hard to in the beginning? Quite frankly I didn't really have many positives and I weren't pretty quickly and then I realized that way later in my life but you know really truly like when I get done plan and I just shot four over par like what could have been eat- over that I actually did a really good job grinding staying in the process understanding my role as a Golfer and I think with my coaching at some big part of it and I know there's a lot of coaches knew that too and all we're trying to we're trying to grow the game and Health Office play and enjoy this great game. I mean that's that's what it really down to absolutely brother. Well they do some online coaching too. So let's Let's tell listeners. How the best way to find you? Yeah I mean for the most part Shamlan Gall right through instagram facebook That's my main Social media handles and then you could actually learn more about what I offer. I teach in pretty much troppled. Entire West Coast California Las Vegas and then in the Pacific northwest and I've got a new property in Mexico and in Hawaii at Princeton resort You can visit. Www DOT shawn lane golf dot com. And certainly look forward to having a chance to team up here. This has been a lot of fun. Matt really appreciate the opportunity for any anytime. I can be helped you. Just let me know. I would love to have you back on again. We'll do it again for sure awesome. That's a wrap that his gentleman Sean Laney Fantastic Golf coach with a unique background an awesome experience so be sure to go give him a shout-out follow on social media. All those details provided in the show notes issue you follow us on Social Media Walter. Pga In junior golf blueprint on facebook. And if you would share the podcast with your friends give us a good stuff. And he hadn't noticed already. I'm producing a whole bunch more youtube content to go. 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Ep.333  Ask Bixby About The Note 10

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Ep.333 Ask Bixby About The Note 10

"All right are we ready to introduce this thing. Yep cody cody break-in. Welcome to the android police podcast. I'm cody tombs. I'm corporate. Davenport haven't port gills along and we're getting a late start today but it's all okay we're doing good. <hes> and speaking of a late start art wall way is going to be getting a bit of a late start on the folding may x. Dan cody the the hang out the the video streams not working but your your transition still are armed man yeah yeah and by the way that box did come back so you're watching the video stream sorry about that of course of everyone listening to the audio version <hes> we had switched to hang outs for video call so now there's just a permanent boxes. Hangouts wants to use your microphone on the livestream and there's not really anything we can do about we might or might include the first i fifteen minutes of this war show three will not we will not only take what i'm cutting all that out bruce all right so <hes> everyone's lates samson's lates and volleys late although i'm not sure it we can shock digest foldable problems uh-huh they also have some b._s. to deal with with the u._s. and the trade wars and whatnot but i don't think <hes> there there's going to be much of a takeup as we head into wintertime when to are those holiday seasons until those <hes> you know whatever's going on back there because it's it's just a rich person's phone at the end of the day and whoever committed to it <hes> whoever placed their preorder is if they they they're reorders already. I don't thanks so. I'm pretty sure that's something that they announced. They gave a timeline for it and then we're like yeah well. Maybe not quite when we planned. It's been a while. I don't i don't know if it was up for preorder but again or not selling this here so it wouldn't be completely crazy. If i completely didn't hear about it <hes> yeah actually looking at this picture of the phone we have in the post. I like how there's a. There's a music app. That looks exactly like the. I tunes icon yeah. It's always been an apple versus swallow thing no matter how much people deny it <hes>. We've seen it throughout this trade war because it's been a lot of social media unrest against apple. Hey you gotta move to qualify you. Gotta be cool. You gotta fleet the away because because you've got to be patriotic and you have to stand up for <hes> china why i don't think they should be putting out on the home screen because his i'm. I don't think people have a very high opinion of i._t. Well isn't that gone. Maybe the wally will leave it okay. I admit i haven't seen the apple music logo but isn't that really similar. Yeah it is an apple. Music is available on android. I'm not sure that this is the same but that could be just maybe app that they choose which would be still weird but that would be very strengthen. Possibly really. I just wanted to bring up my distaste strategy and i think that's always relevant. They really distasteful all the shots that we've we've seen from the hallway headquarters. I if you have not so are david riddick has been over there. <hes> i don't know what for i forget but there's a whole media pack over there and they're just torn shenzhen a no not jim the ad quarters in a wad which is like eighty ninety minutes up there of from ten and it's like it's inspired from eleven european <unk> cities and they have a little they have gardens. They have a baroque style buildings. They have a little metro system with its inside yeah. It's like it has multiple clones of cities in europe with like multiple buildings in each fake lake city. It's like it's. It's like it's a small world if if that was going to be the entire disneyworld that's when it's like it it. It is very bizarre to look at <hes>. It's crude at least there's that's right man <hes>. I don't even know what's going on anymore. But if you do know what's going on and if you enjoy the show if you want to support us we would love it if you could consider insist on twitched dot tv slash android police <hes> i think <hes> we mentioned earlier but i think we're gonna cut out so <hes> thanks to 'em shawn lane who subscribed <unk> prime. They've been subscribed for three months. 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Yes please give us money for the livestream. That's only partially working. Thank please thank you add on the subject of ads samsung samsung. Go wait. No no no no yeah no sorry i well. I recon to lincoln. I forgot it. That's no that's fine. That's fine. It's we're in the same room. I mean. I'm happy to talk about. Both so i'll all out i'll go off about both so yeah anyway. Saving the awkwardly wreck say way samsung is going to be spamming or has been spamming galaxy see phones with ads for the note tin because evidently it when your phone sales are sagging the best thing you can do. Is annoy your existing customers. That's that's right cody so samsung's then there's a couple times in the past about at least once a year. There's some reports of them. Sending out push notification adds to from some app. That's pre installed on samsung phones. That's why you see a lot of <hes> like f._d._a. Post where people commend you turn off like the samsung push service or whatever app that is on their phones anyway <hes> with the note ten launch samsung sent-out tout push ads from multiple apps about the no ten so there were reports that the ad that the notifications were coming from samsung pay bixby and samsung push service. There might have been others too but <hes> lacombe. Oh it is so they <hes> i i got the big one on my <hes> s tinny even though i'm pretty sure i unchecked all the boxes as they please don't do personalization offers whatever <hes> in the bixby notification just says curious about the note ten ask bixby berry not not settled also samsung. It's not at all <hes> we can look. If you're listening to the audio version you can click the article for some enjoyment because we have a couple imbedded tweets from people complaining about it. Because of course people complain about it. <hes> there's a tweet. One guy got three different notifications. Just from samsung pay yeah so that's about how how will win an axe to grind about this kind of stuff because it's not it's not just samsung absolutely does it. <hes> i think well h h._d._c.'s done it. <hes> i know a people complain that shelly does it but also that's how they get their phone super cheap. Is there like amazon where they subsidize it with ads so yeah <hes> but yeah like even you can't even it's. It's difficult to even turn these off because i tried you know on injury. You can hold down the notification to turn off either the app or the notification channel and it told me these notifications can't be turned off so i just assumed okay. This is just i can't. I can't do anything about this turns out. If i opened bixby which i haven't ever done before they go to the settings. There's an option at the very bottom to turn off alerts and you have to do that for each one of these apps sinew notifications and there were there were the thing i found most surprising thing about this <hes> because again this this in itself isn't super surprising samsung lice doing this every once in a while now what i found surprising that there's a lot of people not necessarily defending it but sort of saying like oh you should have unchecked the boxer certainly not check the box that said personalization or wherever when you set up your phone first of all. I'm pretty sure i did that. When i set up my phone and i still got the bixby ad had <hes> and second like those options are i'm pretty sure they're different for different countries and unless the check box said please give me ads in my notifications that are very difficult to turn off. I don't think that's a valid <unk> and you know it again like if people were warned about this then there wouldn't i have been so many people on on twitter complaining about this guy. That's that's really what it boils down to so. It's it's really yeah and and you see this kind of a lot in when you have a lot of enthusiasts in one place where they kind of assume like <hes> <hes> if you don't as soon as you set up your phone if you don't a plug it into your computer and disable the fifteen samsung apps with a._d._p. Then you're just dumb i 's attitude a lot about this and it's a little bit. It's a little bit silly so just yeah that's annoying from samson especially because again most of the phones i assume these were being pushed to the i got it on in my estimation awesome reports from <unk> phones so you're seeing these ads on phones that are probably caused them several hundred dollars and it's for another a phone that also cost several hundred if not over a thousand dollars so just a little bit just a little bit distasteful from samsung well well in the long run. I feel like this is. This is one of those things you kind of almost had to expect just from ages ago. I remember when i got the note four or something like i dunno. I want to say about three months in. I got a notification ad for one of the new one of the new marvel movies. I forget which one and it's like all right. I you know it's not like against the movie. I'm not against the franchise but come on. I don't use notification. Add telling me about about this thing. That's just that's just dumb and samsung has just been slowly ramping up their app revising so you know it doesn't matter how much you're paying for the phone as long as a company doesn't feel bad about using it as advertising path. They're going to yeah and of course a couple. People also pointed pointed out that <hes> google is putting ads in in the feed now <hes> on the side of home screens which is also bad but i feel like that's not not nearly to the same degree as annoying as printing the notification some a little bit more accepting of that i don't use feet at all but it's not the notion of it that the ends because it's a direct to consumer and consumer that you've already captured and it's just that relationships to and just ask them to pay their thousand dollars after twelve months of using your phone which is still in good service supposedly and you know you could use it and should be valued because it still has frigging software updates that need to be done on it. You committed two years right like come on. It's a it. It's it's definitely the pleased buyer thousand dollar phone because their sales are slipping. That's really the the the just buying this like. I was getting big speed notifications before but it will. It was always like oh check out this new feature you can do with bixby. Emily okay fine whatever i'll just wipe this away. I'm not that bothered but once so you try to sell me your very expensive phone after i've already paid for this very expensive so it's a little bit different well again this this. It's definitely isn't new like for as long as i had the note for note five. I was constantly getting like little updates. Reminders hints that i could trade them in for the new model like it samsung oh and the <hes> galaxy s seven edge. I've had all three and they all three constantly told me every every time a new phone came out. Hey you might like this one to you should come get it and cody never bought a samsung phone after that after those three reno never even gear v._r. After that just because you know what i i'll we'll go with that. That's good. That's all everyone's that's yours is what it is yes but is corporate story. They don't according to lose out. I get to also complain about this gang so yeah when the galaxy note ten was announced. <hes> one of the things that took a little bit to make the rounds was that it didn't support samsung gear v._r. Which has been samsung's mobile v._r. Platform they may with oculus <hes> so that was a little bit surprising thing but also like they hadn't made a new headset in a while so it kind kind of felt like maybe it was on the down low at this point <hes> but also we got confirmation from google that google daydream will not work on the noten either <hes> and that comes after the let the galaxy s eight s nine in the note eight and i believe note nine nine all supported google daydream but it wasn't on the s. ten which was fairly strange. I'm not really sure why maybe samsung just didn't in care to get it validated or whatever <hes> but it's not in the not in either <hes> which basically means that both daydream gear v._r. They are are dead at this point <hes> or a rather whatever potential market for them has pretty much been pulled out from underneath them because because <hes> samsung's flagship phones are by far the most popular out of any i mean every other andrew manufacturers almost a rounding error compared to samsung in terms of just flagships so words couple at yeah but <hes> so now that daydream is not on either of the most popular <hes> major android phones of this year and gear instagram's on has definitely given up on gear v._r. Basically both platforms are dead. <hes> which is a it's. I find it. A little bit of a shame never tried gear v._r. But i did try daydream on my original pixel and i liked it. I had these <hes> the smaller pixel that only only had the ten eighty p screen so it wasn't supervising <hes> and i replaced phone a couple months after i got that headsets like i got it during one of the sales much later on and no phone i've had after that point have supported daydream which is again. That's been another another issue. That's probably hurt whenever potential daydream had and so yeah. It's kind of a bummer google. Thank you writing actually hit all the points. They're like i totally agree. It's a the notion of <hes> wireless. Self contained headsets definitely makes the whole putting your smartphone which you use it daily based. This would have to charge afterwards from your little v._r. Session session i into something that you know maybe design tolerances. It's gonna shake around a little bit or i it's and then you have to think about what the heck the audio situation jewish gotta be like that isn't ideal at all so the yeah the dedicated headsets that have just everything built in <hes> the oculus go is pretty much the only example right now of that done well. That's kind of what's replaced the entire the idea of doing the are on your phone and the the oculus is doing pretty well at this point. There's a lot of games for it. Now it's pretty popular <hes> google announced announced two years ago <unk> twenty seventeen that they were working on dedicated headsets running daydream with multiple companies <hes> but only one of them ever came out. It was the lenovo rosh slow and the still the only one that's come out and even even as as early as last last year. <hes> google teased a couple things. They were working on for daydream like they wanted to get regular android apps working in v._r. You could kind of use it like a microsoft. Talland reaches heavier apps <unk> visible in the virtual environment they out. They were also working on a new controller with more accurate movement but none of those ever showed up. I don't know what happened to them. So i wanna ask a code. If he has any thoughts before i throw their segue segue here and ruin the show i may i honestly there's not a whole lot more to say about it. It's one of those things it was a nice attempt. It's it it was an inspired attempt but at the same time i they just didn't have the technology to make this good yet <hes> and we talked about this a lot during the cuna cuna they the whole problem comes down to it's a good idea but it was a couple. It was a few too many years too early to have really tried this us so you know in a few more years. Maybe someone will come back into it again and do it better do it right <hes> or maybe everyone will move on to something else. I don't know it's hard to see too much of a direct like path. I hate the thing that facebook would be <unk> owning the v._r. Space <hes> but nonetheless they still look forward to quest and other kind of low of experiences that the level on the hopefully. I don't see how it's possible house. Smaller names can get up there at this point but we'll see what v._r. We are has has coming up on the horizon if and it really quick will say i. I don't think facebook will be the single like goalkeeper on that one. I think microsoft and sony are both gonna be really eating a lot of their lunch microsoft's already doing it with a r. n. Some some work in v._r. And sony's had playstation v._r. For awhile and while will you know obviously he's not catching on super well. It's it largely a re from what people say. It's a pretty good experience so you know. I don't think i'm ready to see into facebook yet. That's fair. I mean you eventually. We're just gonna love it. I don't i think people already considering as kind of mixed. Reality are just like a r._v. Are what's the difference at this point so we have that to look forward to on. The horizon now flipped over in ninety degrees. We would have a word that doesn't exist in the english language. That would be verizon. Spec is me choked up my <hes> segue there. That was a total failure on my part. Sorry for spanking sprints in this headline here from ryan. Thank you for around that imagery. I guess but i guess it's always been the case <hes> in terms of network performance speed test dot net's <unk> outs with the latest <hes> rankings in the early five g. races and <hes> we only have a few cities on the list here atlanta chicago dallas denver houston minneapolis and providence and turns out verizon with its millimeter wave no surprised they're kicking sprints but with its <hes> speeds so the only wave great through very limited coverage rich and you're seeing close to or above one gigabit speeds download <hes> in the cities that rise in covering a ah direct comparison chicago reisen is at eight seventy three megabits. Dan pull and sprint is at two fifty six. Now both are great improvements on lt. Let's not forget that here because whereas we're talking about sixty four two hundred twenty eight megabits per second beforehand on lt <hes> this is like a anywhere from three to six times multiplayer on that so <hes> if things are the way they are right now. If we we can translate the analogs over to a future where everyone's on five g. and we're keeping that three to six multiplier on there that's great so perhaps we'll look forward to that <hes> but sprints with its mid band. It's i think it's two point five g <hes> gigahertz spectrum spectrum. That's going to be <hes> more broad based in terms of coverage and even though we're seeing quite less speed yeah it's still i think it's one of the words here the the coverage terms ears like nine blocks that you have to you have to stand on on your tippy toes in the exact corner and sort of do a little dance and tap your shoes twice and then you get the good dallas speeds at the we're talking about millions of square miles or something and i don't really see that now that's not enjoy the top ranking here providence with the one point one gigabits per second i if you if you're not i i want to move to providence for anything other than the dell soft lemonade or the cabinets. <hes> got some coffee syrup and milk great stuff. You put that eh shake. It's amazing <hes> but you would move to providence for the five so there you go. That's my comment. Thank you travel agent tools. Oh goodness reminding dot go ahead go. Oh my god we we were so on the ball with the transitions on the start and now we're just falling a says and there's still alert on the video stream that we can't do anything about urges each other where one plus each other. It's oh oh okay fine. Take my transition edition. What was yours say speed five. I'm really i'm i'm on the ball tonight. See this is where my college radio comes in and our now my writing skills or something something. I guess i can go with it <hes> one plus c._e._o. Pete lau says that we're going to have another five. G. found this year and instead of it being the seven pro five g. where only got to be in europe for the time now. It's going to be worldwide <unk>. I think it makes sense <hes> by the <unk> and that the one person pro five g. launched a long name that stupid <hes> it it was it was the only anything ready and it was like sub six and no one else like the chips are not out yet for the millimeter away for a in some cases. It's just it's a it's a little bit of a mess but this will be dependent on what happens with the one plus supposedly seventy <hes> sixty five t late year release not sure how that will go just yet because we have almost literally no rumors about the seventy so we'll have to see. I wonder if they'll see the split release model going. It'll be the the oneplus seven t epic touch lt with sonic sonic at the olympic games. Now i from the level may cry series. Yes i do wonder how this has got to be really expensive for the if they wanna make one skew for the whole world which is usually what <unk> oneplus does only one or two skis for their phones if they're gonna try to shove every implementation the five g. That's probably gonna get really pricey. <hes> i mean i uh i don't even know the galaxy s. ten five or them sorry the note ten five g. if they have actual different models for for every region or if they just put everything in one basket and that's part of the reason it's so expensive but yes. I'm sure they'll be expensive. The five g. phone i think was it was close to nine hundred dollars right. I think so <hes> of the euro bar park ballpark a c. in the u._k. It was fifty fifty nine u._k. Dollars a month before come but they don't say what the full full price is. I don't know how many is that is that fifty nine dollar reduced for the rest of your life or is it for years and i don't know i would presume that's <unk> but like they have different like their tariffs are all weird and stuff. <hes> i think ill ill be the price will be like bitcoin where it changes every two minutes. The financial times says like it's nine hundred something your house silo. I think you know like that's still less than are the two hundred euros or will they were less than ten five g. <hes> in terms of samsung. I think he meant. I think 'cause exiles. <hes> they had the chipset they also also have their own fifty modem so <hes> it's still be qualcomm. Exodus live ends that that would be under but <hes>. I'm not sure if that would that would be interest well. I guess one plus wouldn't have to do the whole <unk> chip in their phones. They just have to use the modem if they i wanted to go that route that would have been really interesting a one plus phone with an x chip that doesn't ex- fifty s stopped next fifty on qualcomm is like you can either do one or the other subjects or millimeter wave <hes> for one ski or i and then the default you can do both at the same time. Maybe i imagine so and also this is very confusing. Let stand allowing staff because like at this point you know five. G. still relies heavily on a lot of four g. infrastructure xer so that's a camp. It's gonna be fun while it is. It's still amazing that one plus it keeps having one plus has been able to maintain its price advantage just because everyone keeps bumping the price even for her so like now we're <unk> several hundred dollars more than the <unk> phones from a few years ago but they're still cheaper than most other funds have good locks that would also do have five john it. Yes i needed that. Thank you a television sets because that's why the pete lau lots he wants he wants to. He confirmed that there's a t._v. Coming and by the way or weird he knew there was a t._v. Coming we just didn't have the the name and they had an epic reveal and what was the name jewels one plus tv wow they have typically those incredible a year long competition for for the name and incredible. The us is truly ahead of every other company how much loving detail they put in to the asset. The design is so unique. We're going to have this logo grid and it's a it's just the one logo and tv next to it and we're gonna have volk kernigan spacing rules. That's yeah so if for the people will not looking at the link which cheap you should 'cause. It's pretty funny is they. They made a gift of like them sketching the logo in in a program all the lines intersecting it eventually makes one plus t._v. and it it it reminds me of like every silicon valley company that does a two thousand word blog post when they change a logo and this is the change the logo we focused on the design. No one cares. I'm sorry one point is i. I don't know how they managed to make a. It's just called one plus tv. Why are you guys such. It's such a simple bullhook. It's it's not avakian move as they would slow you know i i i guess i guess it worked because they got us to write a post about got it so i think i guess we're we've got the pies on her face this this time around <hes> but is on everyone's faces but they at least so we still don't have any details details about this whatsoever. We don't know if it will just be their own smart tv platform or if they'll put andrew t._v. On it like seventy a couple of their companies do do <hes> i. I don't really like smart t._v.'s at all so i can't say i care for this very much but judging by well actually i was gonna i was gonna look at the views and not a whole lot of people read this article so i feel like maybe no one can be interested in this isn't very high or are people might be interested. One one plus actually reveals something about it. That is not just a logo you'd be the thirteen via has to have like things on screaming colors <unk> stuff so walked. You know you know what they should do is when you turn it on. It does that t._h._x. Sound effect but it puts never settle on the screen so it just never said on then you get the want to add onto the eight. Does the frigging logo automation you get you get to see like the thirty the second draw in effect as the boot animation for the tv listening to the station do that so long in the chat says says stop hating on silicon valley. We're not hating on so garden valley <hes> this time as much as we're hitting on. Let me get this right. The silicon river delta because is that's where they are right plus yeah. That's i'm sure yeah. It's a solid reference. I'm sorry since we killed all the mood with that one. Let's talk about some holiday shopping. I don't wait <hes> if you are familiar with how trade works christmas starting rings even sooner this year go bro. Yeah target already has out there generally. I i had the halloween doing candy. It was great got got stocked up ten months events. <hes> you know black black friday's now an entire month's only makes sense that we move that would bump up christmas to mid august so here's the thing when the u._s. government puts tariffs on chinese goods on chinese imports that means whenever whenever we bring in the chinese kids reports we add in ten percent tax and that makes it more expensive view the average consumer boomer to buy these chinese gates probably has a lot of stuff comes from china these days and <hes> cell phones one of those things those does does dirty little things that we buy and happened to talk about here on android police. There were supposed to be a whole bunch of tariffs that were gonna take effect effect on september first. Thanks to a good all mr president trump three hundred billion dollars a gates and yes included home home electrolytic cell phones and the rest of it. It was <hes> this week that the white house announced that okay we're gonna take off a few of are these things we are takeoff. Healthcare related stuff. A safety gear national security related stuff. We're gonna take those off the list and then we're going to stagger the facts here. We're gonna put some of this stuff. It's still going to go on september first. Some of the will be on september. First and alive is going to be farming equipment a lot of the agricultural imports but then we're gonna move some things back to december fifteenth and that's going to be the cell phones the home electric's now. What do you think happens by december fifteenth. Oh yeah a lot of holiday shopping and especially you know when you have of september first as the target date and apple of all things to talk about apple. The big fish in the pond has billions ends and billions of dollars of sales writing on out laci events in the first week of the frigging month now. That's that's not good news so having that hang over the head of <hes> your biggest company in the world. Mr president is not really helping but that situation has now changed. It looks like we'll be seeing more products. Perhaps going down the drain in terms of the tariffs so hopefully we avoid a catastrophe on that front but i just heard some google that wasn't my nor mine but interrupted tools but i am going to meet my now though <hes> that's all i mean that's that's the situation yeah support yeah so fire your pixel four before december fifteenth <unk> switch light by your new mac book with still a broken. Oh can keyboard do all your by all year. Let china before then. I wonder if like <hes> freaking that they'll bill <unk> rev up the pronouns. The amount was like hey. It's gonna be black <hes> black friday weekend but we're going to continue until december fifteen specific tariff related sales like it. That's why i think you you go to a target. It's like hey welcome to the tara. <unk> black tariff weakened well yet. You guys talked about tax free weekend in the chat several times i this is basically like if they do that. That's kind of tax free or last of tax free weekend or lower tax weaken whatever tariff-free week down to walmart. We got all the sales yeah well. You know. Black friday look like i said black friday's entire month now. What's another two weeks. You know keeping cheap padding it. You know give keep a common. Can we push that like it's my birthday. I mean just was saying is that it's in march. I you know i'm just asking for three more months. It'll be well. We'll listen <hes> i mean i was planning to get you a whole bunch of gifts like <hes> according to each t._s._a. Subheading eight nine dot two five life knowle's fresh or dried shelled or <hes> live much trim spawn. Oh six to nine zero dot five. Oh so i mean take your pick here. Anything you want from this list. I can get it for you before their tariffs come in. I think we buy more stuff on that list but i don't know this mushroom. Spawn does sound really <hes> interesting. I'm curious about this now. Hope i can get that before the embargoes come in both the trade embargo and review here going to do for this live metronews spot. Komo morales are christmas twitch stream. It's all perfect buying things that will go on that will terrace. I will show up and then we had all planned out so well. I wish we do in planning our strong suit. It's only a matter of time folks and speaker. If you're looking at the track time on your wrist these days you get it with a smartwatch blotch right. I like that was a solid transition yeah. I guess we'll just go from there. We're smart watch is they did a pretty good job this year. They're up a thirty eight percent in terms of shipments and apparently you're. We're getting a lot of <hes>. I'm wondering i've still trying to remember the <unk> chronology still said that wrong. Dogs on a roll only never been. Do you want to take this win. Go ahead okay all right. So the the the main company had come out ahead <noise>. This time around was samsung. They're gaining <unk>. Significant chunk of the new sales sales samsung's shipments jump from two point two million to two point nine million giving it thirty seven point nine percent of the total market. It's a big number so fitbit is right behind them and then i believe government is behind them and it goes goes down from there <hes> but of course apple still number one because they're the apple watch is still. I don't think it's crazy to say it's significantly better than anything available available on android right now <hes> so yeah but see i it goes apple samsung fit bit and gherman and then everyone else is almost a rounding error. Fossils got four point one percent market share which doesn't paint a great picture for where wes because fossil. I was just about the only company left making these watches except for a monopoly which makes the tick watches <hes> so that's that's not a great eight. That's not a great indicator for how well what is doing but people like they're smart watches. Apparently we have a track on fossil awful because i'm wondering if that's growth decline or something <hes> i. I don't know if we've ever gotten super solid. I know fossil has a i. I know fossil's reported a couple times about their sales. I can't remember what they were like. But of course this is. This is all analysts reporting as well so it might not be exactly but it's probably pretty close law. The the have a great rounding speed rounding errors they only measured by the millions here so <hes> the temp excuse me the tenth of a million so one hundred thousand each so to see fossil group dealing two hundred thousand last year and then all of a sudden three hundred thousand. That's a that's a thirty thirty four percents <hes> that's actually number. Actually i'm not sure if that's yeah the numbers they're revered. Eh watches are in guys. Make sure to get them before the tariffs hit. I don't know it's so hard to look look at numbers like this and necessarily take them at face value <hes> face hough but no it's it. You know smart watches. It's still will it still one of those things. Not everyone needs one. Obviously it's a niche thing they're gonna come and go based on major upgrades <hes> so oh you know we're gonna see numbers always like spiking up and then falling down just depending on where the product cycles are <hes> and i'm sure samsung you might end up still climbing because they've got an and their watch on the way. We'll fossil to actually <hes> which i'll get to. I i guess i can should i jump to that now. We can now well. How about we do arshile and then oh yeah yeah. We got we had she'll. I save some mm for the people there yeah who wants to show go for it. 'cause yoda's break into your own thing anyway. Okay all right so so i know the livestream is very broken right now. 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I know that because i said most of them we do a lot of them and you who doesn't like a slightly better chance at winning free stuff so subscribe to us on twitch please so we can try to fix our broken livestream. Yeah <hes> corbin davenport is actually just a assumed name <hes> his <hes> birth certificate actually reads contest coordinator. That's true it. Does i've tried to hide my identity for years but yeah so unfortunately what what is not free is the fossil jin five and i've been trying it out fossils news smartwatch for the past week. The review actually really isn't live yet but we just put in a pretty link in the twitch chat. It should be life by the time the <hes> the audio version goes out but you guys watching life. You can see a little sneak. Sneak peek right there because it's not technically going up until tomorrow morning very exciting so false new watches they have him in a couple of different versions and <hes> they fossil does his every time when they make a new generation. There's a couple of different styles designed for both men and women with different advances such so it the always watches have the same internals in there all two hundred ninety five dollars and have almost every feature you can get unaware of west watch <unk> its cylinder connectivity so it has a heart rate sensor has n._f._c. has e._p._s. It has a ambient light sensor. Her has speaker on it which is new compared to all. The fossils previous watches has water protection for up to thirty meters so you can swing join with this. You want <hes>. There's the main selling point is the new battery modes which qualcomm kind of teased. He's a year ago was coming to wear us at some point because they made this whole new chipset <unk> post to allow this to happen but it's pretty pretty underwhelming <hes> what it boils down to is that there's a new button on the watch in the <hes> quick settings that lets you do a couple a couple of different modes so you can just run it in the regular mode. That is just everything's on. There's a new extended mode that turns everything <music> offer except the bluetooth connection <hes> to the point where you actually have to press the side bundy turn on the watch all in that's meant for if you just wanna see notifications unrest and then beyond that there's a time only mode which was also on the fossil sport and a couple other watches have this where just shuts software as early and it's just a clock so the battery life in general. It's better than the fossil sport which was their last watch. I was getting and almost today's on a single charge in the regular mode <hes> with the extended mode i could get about three but it just made me hate it using the watch because i couldn't even look at the time unless i not only lifted it up to my face but also clicked one of the buttons so not a great experience but i i guess if you're in the wilderness for a couple days. You can still may be like that but yes oh and also the the one thing the did surprise me with this. Watch is how fast it was because the where was watches. I've tried in the past. They're pretty laggy. Aggie apps take a while to open. There's a lot of jittery with the animations. There's not really any of that on this watch <hes> because they put a gig of ram in here and a gigs of storage which is double both raymond storage. Would you get on most other watches there the capo with that much ram but not many <hes> and a kind of made me wonder maybe google should have made one gig of ram a requirement for all where it was watched if the main complaint about whereas which is how slow it is could be fixed with another path gig of memory but anyway so this is a pretty good watch but the price is what kills it for me because right now fossil wants almost three hundred dollars for all the versions of this and these samsung galaxy watch active which it does everything this does either as good or better in some cases is one hundred dollars less so unless you really want where west. Maybe you really want google. Keep on your watcher you really like google assistant <hes> or if you like the the more classic designs that foucault has watches do look very nice <hes> unless you you're tied to one of those i think the galaxy watch active is the better by most people especially because we're <unk> a lot a lot of people by smart watches for fitness and where it was has never been very good at the fitness cracking in fact we wrote an article a little while ago about how google if it was partially broken for at least a month <hes> i ca- didn't sink data properly at all for a very long time and google they might have fixed the n._f._l. But it was broken for a while so again the fossil cajun five. It's it's a good watch but i i i think most people would probably be happier with the watch. Active goes on sale. I think it will be much more competitive just the question. How many looks did you get as you were walking down the street or having lunch and in on golf i i'd like to imagine a lot but probably not the model. The modern sent me <hes> is just completely black with a black band so it's like the most boring looking in watch i own right now you you might have shot this little cooler by. It looked a little blueberry but i mean i have. I think that might be light room making it look a little bit prettier. I have it right now. It's darn light room. Yeah it made it reminds me actually a lot of the motor three sixty how that was just entirely black with the black band but i post this on on twitter a couple of days ago and a couple of people did point out that they preferred this black design over the fos- over over the past sport which was released last year and that was only available either either in like a silver color or with like a red with like very bright primary colors so i get there's already. I've already seen people that are like yeah. I really like this design. I want to get this watch so it's it's. It's pretty good for the most part you get a sale on that and then you have a good deal yeah. Just make sure you get a by before the tears kick in god yup. That's a three or four months. People got the counting. Is the gun visit your visit your local fossils store every week and ask them. Is it on sale man. That's a that's something. I think that's a good something to end on right. It is so unless anyone anyone johanns who's got anything else. No <hes> corbin have you been to the new. Howdy bees up in midtown midtown or wherever what what are you talking about the new the new national chicken joint the hot chick joints. <hes> <hes> recently opened up in atlanta. Well atlanta's an hour away from me and it driving through atlanta is like one the most stressful things. I think i've ever done <hes> i. I don't know how people drive on like ten lane roads on a daily basis but it's very scary <hes> but i do actually i probably will go close to atlanta this weekend meeting. Someone so maybe i'll maybe time maybe i'll brave the brave crazy people on the road around here a take the car to sandy springs and then the other way way up there. I haven't nissan leafs. I can't get very far there you go. That's my piece well if you've enjoyed the show and after all the crazy antics how could you not <hes> you can help our help support the show by subscribing on twitch of course that also gets you access to the infamous ryan emoji and <hes> free contest entries because because again who doesn't want free stuff and with that <hes>. I think we're going to call it a night. So thanks for listening and we'll catch up with you next week.

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