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Tuesday, September 8, 2020

Up First

13:26 min | 6 months ago

Tuesday, September 8, 2020

"Off. The chair of the Federal Reserve. Says the economy has recovered a lot of ground but he says social distancing and masks are both necessary. If we want that to continue those things actually enable people to go back to work I'm Steve Inskeep with Noel King, and this is up I from NPR news. Orange. Grey skies and ash rain over California extreme heat causes fires from the Mexican border to the Sierra Nevada. Hundreds of people are trapped. Multiple rescue efforts are underway. Most of the town of Big Creek has been destroyed. Can Firefighters contain these fires and Michael? Cohen President Trump's former lawyer went to prison for lying to Congress among other crimes. While doing time you wrote a book describing his former bosses, a crook and Aligarh stick with us. We got the news you need to start your day. Support for this podcast and the following message come from each trade trading isn't for everyone but each rate is whether it's saving for a rainy day or your retirement betrayed has you covered they can help you check financial goals off your list and with a team of professionals giving you support when you need it, you can be confident that your money is working hard for you get more than just trading with each raid to get started visit eatright dot com slash podcast for more information each rate securities. Member of FINRA SIPC. How will and how soon will the US economy recover from the covid nineteen pandemic derome Powell the chairman of the Federal Reserve Talk to NPR right before Labor Day, we just got at the unemployment rate had fallen to eight point four percent, which is high. Yes. But it's down from the record high. We saw this spring I. Guess I would just say the recovery is continuing. We do think it will get harder from here because of those areas of the economy that are so directly affected by the pandemic still there's going to be a long period. We believe where we have to take our time and and see those those people get back to work. Okay. So Steve, you're the one who conducted this interview with Chairman Powell and he said there it's going to get harder why simple answer is the pandemic when we spoke with? Powell, in his office here in Washington DC he said a lot of the economy obviously is reopened about half the jobs that were lost springer back but the US still has more cases of corona virus than any country on earth and that's Going to continue limiting employment in restaurants and airlines, and basically anything that involves a crowd only so much recovery as possible in these circumstances, which is one reason no, all that Powell is an advocate. Now for masking and social distancing, he's not a public health expert, but he knows a little bit about the economy and he argues that keeping down the virus is good for the economy. Certainly, what does he say the Fed plans to do to get us through a long recovery? The Fed is digging in for years and years of recovery. Last spring you'll recall the Fed brought interest rates very quickly down to near zero of course, low interest rates stimulate economic growth, and here's how policies the future. is going to need low interest rates which support economic activity for an extended period of time and years. It will be measured in years. Yes, we believe. And, however, long it takes we're going to be there. We're not going to prematurely withdraw support that we think the economy needs beyond low interest rates that support by the Fed is included buying government debt and last spring's almost unprecedented offer by the Fed to loan money directly to state local governments and businesses an update on that Powell, says the mere fact that the Fed was willing to loan money if needed reassured, everybody made a lot of institutions more stable. The Federal Reserve has two mandates keep unemployment low and keep prices stable. Make sure my dollar isn't worth way less a year from now and typically the Fed moves very fast when it sees unemployment rising inflation rising buddied these changing that now, which is one of the reasons that pal spoke with us, Noel the Federal Reserve your right intervenes in the economy with interest rates and other tools to keep employment strong and inflation low it's supposed. To. Do both of those things traditionally tries to avoid overheating the economy and off things move too fast. Inflation can spin up and and that's bad. But there's traditionally some conflict here because when more people go to work wages get higher, the Fed can see that as bad they used to slow things down to avoid inflation and that's what's being tweaked here. They're a little less worried about inflation because there hasn't been much inflation lately why? For better or worse Powell believes this is a factor of globalization. If I think I WANNA. Raise if I WANNA charge more for my product I can't because the job could move somewhere else in the world or my work could be moved somewhere else in the world it's gotten to the point where the Fed no longer feels they need to worry so much about inflation and if we ever do get back to super low on employment like we had before the pandemic, the Fed is more likely to just let that ride a little bit longer for people fascinating economic stuffing Steve Glad to do it. Alright hundreds of people are trapped today by a fire in the Sierra Nevada mountains of central California fire crews have been unable to rescue these people the fire that has them trapped called. The creek fire is almost twice as big as it was yesterday, it destroyed a town called big creek and it's only one of several big fires in California. Laura suicide reporter with member station K. V. PR. She's on the line from Fresno Good Morning Laura whining no. Tell me about these people who are trapped. Yeah. So what we know so far is that over the weekend two hundred people were rescued from a campsite near it's called mammoth pool. Those folks were airlifted out however yesterday the Fresno County Sheriff's office says an additional two hundred people are still trapped on the Fresno City Fire Department tweeted last night about a rescue mission to pick up stranded. Campers, residents at two areas once called like Edison. The other is China peak fire chief told reporters there were potentially like four dozen folks in those particular areas. But later, the Fire Department tweeted that they couldn't land the helicopter to rescue those people because of such heavy smoke conditions they said, they try again with night vision but just after midnight they said they were going to stop rescue efforts and would have to try again later today There's also folks trapped around a place called Shaver Lake at higher elevations that those folks will likely need to be airlifted out to. Share of right now, those people at Shaver Lake or in temporary refuge area. So the immediate danger, but you know they still can't get out of the Sierra National Forest. In the meantime, there's also about two dozen evacuation orders and counting for sort of the lower communities and not forest the sheriff's deputies telling people to to get out. Okay. Very scary thing for the people who are trapped and Steve mentioned the fire is almost twice as big as it was yesterday our fire crews able to contain it or to stop it from getting bigger right at this point, it's a zero percent containment. It seems like it's just growing and growing and one thing to know I mean, yeah it's about one hundred and thirty, five, thousand acres at the moment. It's just grown so much and spanning two counties and being that it's up there in the forest you know in. These mountains and sort of foothill areas it's difficult to get from one side of it to another. So there's about a thousand people from local state and federal personnel working to to fight this, they're doing it from to from sort of north side and the south side. But at this point, you know the weather is working against them. There's some winds coming over from the east called Mona wins that are really creating like dry air conditions that are working against them, and of course, it's very, very hot here in California right now. Authorities are calling this fire unprecedented. Why? I mean. Honestly it's been a few decades since a fire of burned like this and the Sierra National Forest and at this is it's moving so quickly and growing so fast. And for folks in Fresno and the communities up there, they're really connected. So it really is going to hit both Fresno where I am reporting and all the people evacuating pretty hard. Masui from member station K. VP our thanks, Laura. Thank you. All, right. Michael Cohen was president trump's lawyer and his fixer while managing problems for trump over the years he was also committing crimes. They included campaign finance violations during the presidential campaign of two thousand sixteen Mr Cohen went to prison and then was furloughed due to the pandemic. So he's confined at home right now and while doing that time, he wrote a memoir it's called disloyal the true story of the former personal attorney to President Donald, J trump. Cohen writes his former boss is quote a cheat a liar, a fraud racist Predator a con man. Here's what he said on NBC Donald. Trump will do anything and everything within which to win and I believe that includes manipulating ballots i. believe that he would even go so far is to start a war. The White House Press Secretary Kelly mcenaney says Cohen is lying about her bosses line. NPR'S DOSSIER Has Read the book and morning on. Hagan Morning Noel. So among other things, Michael Cohen writes that president trump has a low opinion of all black folks. Yes there are a lot of allegations Ryan things that Cohen says trump said to him among them. Cohen says that the present told him that black and Latino voters are quote too stupid unquote to vote for him. He also says that trump was in. Apartheid Era South Africa and said that Nelson and Nelson Mandela ruined the country. He actually used language quite a bit saltier than that and Cohen also includes in the book a photo still that he says comes from video that was made long before trump ran for office according to Cohen Trump's team hired Obama lookalike actor that trump berated on camera and then pretended to fire and you know what was a moment of a reality? TV Star 'cause playing political power who then came to hold that very power. Okay. So some claims about race and racism, the Evangelical vote which was critical and president, two thousand Sixteen Campaign Cohen. Claims that president trump said some things about religious leaders to You. Know Al. Cohen describes trump is essentially using the even Joe community with no real interest in their beliefs and values again, according to Cohen trump was incredulous that even. Hold the beliefs that they do and again I'm paraphrasing and softening the language here. Let Him. You're Putin also turns up in this book. That's right. Colin claims that trump idolizes Putin's massa wealth and the enormous power he wields according to Cohen that's trump's vision of political perfection and Cohen. Trump has had close ties to Russia and billionaires because he isn't otherwise able to secure funding for his businesses. LemMe ask you. Lastly, Michael Cohen is a convicted criminal who's doing a three-year bid for campaign finance violations lying to Congress and tax evasion. How does he addressed the fact that many people may not see him as credible? Well, his tone alternates between taking KONTA ability for his own behavior and trying to describe what he found. So magnetic and trump. This is a guy who repeatedly read the art of the deal when he was done high school, he was already living in a trump branded apartment even before he started working for the trump organization, he was all in on the brand. NPR's Anastazia soukous. Thanks. Thanks for having me no. And that's a first Tuesday. September. Eighth. I'm Noel. King and I'm Steve inskeep join us here tomorrow subscribed to wherever you listen to podcasts and Rayson review on Apple podcasts. We appreciate you waking up with NPR, and you should know that your local station makes up I possible every morning you can support them and support us by going to donate that NPR dot org slash up first. I know how it goes. You wake up refreshed you listen to up I and you feel like you have a grasp on what's happening in the world. 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NPR News: 09-08-2020 9AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 6 months ago

NPR News: 09-08-2020 9AM ET

"Live from NPR news I'm Nora Raum firefighters are scrambling to reach hundreds of people trapped by a huge wildfire in California. Some two hundred people were rescued this weekend and other two hundred people are still there Lord Sui with member station K.. P., P. R. Reports the creek fire in the Sierra. National Forest has grown to more than one hundred and thirty five, thousand acres since it began Friday evening with no containment Saturday night two, hundred people stranded by the blaze were rescued from mammoth pool but an additional two hundred hikers campers residents remain. In various parts of the forest including China peak like Edison and Shaver Lake rescue efforts. Monday evening were cut short by smoke and difficulties. Landing helicopters along with its growth officials are worried about unpredictable weather from high temperatures to dry changing wins over a thousand personnel have been assigned to the fire from local state and federal agencies for NPR news I'm Laura Sui in Fresno. The largest utility in California is cutting power to one hundred, seventy, two, thousand customers as a precaution of fires started by its power lines two years ago killed eighty, five people. President, trump leaves the White House for the campaign trail in a few hours NPR's hammer. Keith reports. His first stop will be Jupiter Florida president trump is set to talk about record on conservation and Environmental Protection Florida is a state where concern for the environment is bipartisan because of the everglades and also because of hurricanes and rising sea level making it perilous for the state. Later today, the president is visiting another battleground state North Carolina at an airport hangar rally, wotton Winston Salem on the democratic side Joe Biden spent part of Labor Day meeting with Labor leaders and union workers in. Pennsylvania. The Louisville, police, department has announced its third leadership shakeup in three months after protests over the shooting death. Brianna Taylor. By police you've Ed Gentry. A former deputy chief will take over as interim chief John Boyle from member station W.. F., P. L. has more gentry will become the first black woman to lead ellen PD takes over the position currently held by Robert Schroeder who is retiring October first gentry retired from the force in twenty fourteen. Her return comes as a city surpasses one hundred days of protests calling racial justice and police accountability. She says the summer. Of demonstrations has been tough on officers and protesters alike but believes the city is at a turning point that is just a glimpse of how a lot of people have been feeling for a long time and we can't go back I. Think Our city is at a point of reckoning it. Only truth can bring us out of only truth can take away darkness. Gentry is not seeking permanent position of LAPD chief more than twenty people applied for the position by the August thirty first deadline for NPR news. I'm John Boyle, in Louisville, you're listening to NPR news. Police in Chicago are looking for the person who fire on a vehicle yesterday killing an eight year old girl and wounding two adults officials say the shooter was in another vehicle that quickly made a u-turn and sped away the Chicago. Sun. Times says, the girl was the six child ten years or younger killed in Chicago since late June. Two. Australian journalists say they left China after Chinese State Security Forces sought to question them. NPR's Emily Fang reports reporters bill birtles with Australia's ABC and Michael Smith with the Australian Financial Review were flown home yesterday under diplomatic escort booth had been approached last week by Chinese please told the two men separately they were banned from leaving the country unless they participated in a national security investigation regarding Chung lay the Australian host of a Chinese state television show who was detained August relations between Canberra and Beijing soured over Australia's repeated criticism of China's handling the corona virus and human rights. A fourth Australian citizen academic young and gene was detained on national security charges last January. Emily Fang Pure News Beijing India and China Today accused each other of firing warning shots and making provocative military moves along their disputed border tensions have increased since May, the two sides have been in discussions to try to defuse the situation today China claimed Indian troops crossed into its territory yesterday and fired warning shots at a Chinese patrol India claim the Chinese forces tried to surround one of its posts and also fired warning shots I'm nora, Raum NPR news.

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164 Helicopter Rescue from California Fires

Aviation News Talk podcast

55:15 min | 5 months ago

164 Helicopter Rescue from California Fires

"The fire was probably I. mean it was burning every piece of vegetation so and so it was probably between Sarah. Maybe. Thirty five feet from the rotor disc or we were landing enough that we were blowing embers around with the with the rotor wash. Hello and welcome to aviation news. Talk a weekly show with relevant news and flying tips for pilots and student pilots to help keep you safe by Max. You just heard helicopter pilot Kip guarding talking about a recent rescue mission over the course of three days in early September California, National Guard helicopter crews rescued nearly four hundred people who were trapped by the Creek Fire and had no escape other agencies also performed rescues but the California National Guard made record for the number of people airlifted from a wildfire. In the United States today, we'll talk with both a rescuer Anna rescue e to hear their stories. But as California sets new records nearly every year for the number and size of its wildfires begs even larger question, which is, how will we fight even larger fires that might trap even more people who need to be rescued and will back backcountry hikers need to change what they do. Will share what people are already thinking about doing in the future. By the way, aviation newstalk was recently ranked number. One of the over two hundred aviation casts that appear in the apple podcast APP and if this podcast is new to you and whatever APP you're using to listen to us, just click on the subscribe button. So new episodes will download for free each week I think you'll find our discussion today about the National Guard helicopter rescues fascinating and you won't WanNa Miss Future shows and also since this is a listener supported show, please help us meet our stretch. Goal of getting thirty seven more supporters between now and the end of the year. To reach our goal four hundred supporters there are two ways to donate. You can make a monthly donation and get lots of goodies at various donation levels by going to our patriotic site at aviation news talk dot com slash awesome or you can make either a one time lump sum donation or monthly donation at aviation news talk dot com slash pay pal in both cases just enter credit card number to make a donation. Down a moment we'll be talking with helicopter pilot gutting but our story begins with one of the people rescued while my name is unreal aboard I'm an architect residential architects. I Work in Berkeley and I lived in the in the bay area. The three of us have been been doing cross country off trail trips for over twenty years. That's the same three. My name is Johanna. McCloy I'm a freelance writer and editor and actor. And I am married to on Relief June here you may have seen Johanna in star trek the next generation an each year before all relieves on a trip he talks about the triple. Johanna. Well, he gives me a copy of his Tokyo map he prints out the route that they plan to take on a graphical out. And he marks in excess the anticipated overnight camps. Along the route so that I have an idea exactly where they will be. Even though they will be off trail, it's good to have a sense of you know where they anticipate spending the night. And their general route. So he gives me bat and and we chat obviously a lot about the upcoming trip in. The closer gets the more exciting. It becomes, of course, anticipating certain things. So I had a sense before this trip of all the things that we're going to be involved in terms of the roads that needed to be navigated the ways that he would have to get there and just the nature of those roads and why would take so long them being narrow them being wind e, you know not being able to occupy two full cars that sort of thing. So I knew the general. Idea of where he was going and what he was planning on doing. Totally contact on these trips. Yeah he shuts down his phone and that's that for. The entire duration of the trip. Fuel, Boca. You know I I appreciate it as someone who loves the while myself. There's there's a lot to be said for just shutting down that communication and being present. In not feeling tied to anything else but just where you are and who you're with and what you're doing. The communication is not easy when you're out in the SIERRAS, the the there is no communication even if you wanted it, I would imagine in most of that terrain. LA- helicopter pilots will be talking about today work for Colonel David. Hall. Yeah. My name is Colonel Dave Hall, and I'm the commander of the Fortieth Combat Aviation Brigade, and I also work full-time for the Army National Guard as the director of aviation safety or which also has oversight of some of our other programs are. Directly. Related to helicopters US air, Traffic Services, and some other programs similar to that and as Colonel Hall explains the Fortieth Combat Aviation Brigade better known as the fortieth cab as a number of missions. So the fortieth cab has to different roles and I roll is in support of the state of California. And in that capacity, we do a lot of different things. We do search and rescues up in the mountains throughout the entire Sierra Nevada's majority of those are in the Sierra. National Forest Sequoia Kings Canyon or also Yosemite National Park. We also perform wildland firefighting operations every year. Or we have an interagency agreement with a cal fire in the US Forest Service and the National Park Service and every year we go through training in a joint interagency fashion where all of the parties get together and study the same procedures and processes and then go out and practice dropping water before actual fire season begins along with that, we also support a counter drug counternarcotics program. The. Next role is obviously our deployment mission are go to war mission and we have deployed his brigade on multiple occasions. In fact, the units in the fortieth cab deploy every single year global war on terror. We rotate different units through that process and a brigade itself has gone twice overseas. What kind of helicopters do you have in the brigade and roughly how many of those do you have? So we've got different types, of Allah, copters inside the State of California we got. Your Sixty Medevac helicopters along with sage forty, seven Chinook helicopters you age seventy two. Airbus and looks a lot like a news helicopter to a lot of folks, and we'll also got the US sixty. Blackhawks actually the age sixty Mike Model of both the Chinooks. That we have in. Stockton and also the sixty Mike models that we have is outta loss Alameda Most. Modern airframes the army actually has really really great platforms in addition to that. When we deploy overseas, you know it other aircraft, end up joining us while a US a gray hulls which drones along with Apaches. Will have also fixed wing aircraft jets UC thirty, five and see twelve. Attached to us as required early, the structure of the organization changes depending on what the mission is that we're going to. Dip doing down rich. Let's talk about the creek fire. How was it that you? I found out about that fire. You know it's kind of ironic because it was actually social media that attracted me to it I to live in that area and was aware of the creek fire. And it was actually scrolling through social media. and. Posts that said Hey role these hikers AMA- pools. Campers pools, and I immediately picked up the phone in a caller joint operation center, and they had just officially gotten that same word and we're in the process of activating a Chinook. Doctrine to assist with families that were stranded at pools. I immediately called KIPP guiding who is one of the other pilots that perform the rescue. My name is five guiding I am a Black Hawk pilot with California. National Guard we fly age sixty Mike's and it is we're in Fresno. and. That's where I live. So tell us about the capabilities of the Sikorsky Blackhawk helicopter. Fantastic, versatile capable machine, and happy to fly. It's got. Lots of things that I hadn't even mastered yet. We came from the older. Lima. Aircraft and just recently upgraded the Mike Model and just learning new things about it pretty much. Every time you fly somebody's got a new way to do something because of course, most things there's there's five ways you can do it and you know the one that you do, but but the guys that use other ways to get to the same result in it's Kinda nice to know those as well. kind of a technology to have on board that helped make the flight possible for example, to you using radar alternators or hover holds or what what kinds of things are you doing? Yeah. We both of those. So we had radar timid. Hover hold we have the terrain integrated into the screen. So we see all the train that is at above my altitude. We have you know airspeed hold out to holds fully coupled flight director to help get the war cloth you if you need to concentrate on something else and I'm guessing you had night vision goggles that tell us about how well they work. We did. So we initially went out there we were under day conditions in it was extremely difficult to get around the fire in certainly, it was impossible for us to penetrate the smoke wall to get to the mammoth lakes. Reservoir. But then as it as we're out there waiting for some tankers to drop their loads, it got dark enough that we did try to gobbles in once once this goggle able, we were to see through the smoke give us another half mile ability to be able to go some valleys and some places that we were not able to do earlier in the day when we tried and had to turn back that's kind of interesting. So what you're saying is that you given the same smoke conditions, you're actually to fly better in them at night with goggles on the daytime without them. Absolutely because The smoke, you just couldn't see, but with the goggles illuminating the fire and the burning embers that gave you a little bit more depth than it. Also, you could see where the high terrain was because it was burning on both sides. So you could see the elevation was you could see where the valley was we could stay in the center of the valley and like another half mile visibility to continue. Are there any kind of engine performance considerations when you're flying in heavy smoke? Sure how you can have compressor stalls in the heated airs less performance than the Cooler? Denser air. So that's part of it not the rotors less lift when when the air is hot and thinner. So that's. Something we always thinking about and we always have performance planning that we do before we leave and then on board the aircraft performance planning. If you get some more need, you thought it was GONNA be. At this altitude of temperature, you can easily get into the onboard computer and put in the correct numbers. The experiencing gets more definite ch situational performance that's happening right here. Right now, this what you can expect the current conditions in it tells you. In meanwhile, all reas on day three of his hike in the back country when he and his friends noticed that something was wrong. As we are. One of the passes over into readies whole. We look. Looked back toward the West and we saw a huge black column of smoke and topped off with a look like senator. Cloud. And boy we studied that for a while and realized that that's a problem that looks like it's from the general area where we grow in. And we carry a GPS just in case we we never use it really, but we have just in case ran a forested area where we can't see any natural features. We WanNA make sure we're on the same route. And we pulled out the GPS and and pinpointed where it was coming from it and sure enough it was coming from. Shaver Lake. Town. We drove through on highway one, sixty eight. So. We tried not to let that get as down too much. But we knew it was fire was probably about fifteen twenty miles from where we were as the crow flies. And then that night as the sun was setting to the West, it was completely obscured in orange by the smoke and we knew that this was going to ask somehow impact our trip. By the time we got down to Heather Lake smoke started to come in the winds shifted and you know it's really just a matter of shifting winds. And the winds shifted and in came into our little bowls a lake you set in a little granite, bowl. And those things tend to truly trap smoke in Chernoff. By the afternoon we were smoked out we could we could hardly across the lake. And started to fall. We had our a Powell a discussion realize. Okay. We need to get out of here tomorrow. Will Get up five in the morning in an Alpine start head on down the mountain and get back to our cars as soon as possible and so that was. Very. Somber. Champ that night. And you could smell smoke. It was very strong and everything was covered with ash and so that night was pretty bad and woke up first thing in the morning it was the same smokey it was dark. Broke camps quickly as possible has breakfast and then headed on down mount. And of course, Johanna was back home wondering about all re what did you do after he left a Kinda, keep track of things. Well, there's a cal fire map that updates. Map the fire status in California. And because we have friends and family who have been evacuated. In the NAPA area and up in Yukio We're very familiar with this map. We we look at it. We see where we're fires growing. And there were a couple of fires prior to his departure. They weren't near where he was going. So there was no concern about that. I didn't even look at the map actually for awhile and then I looked at it. I think it was Saturday morning. and Bam. There was at big fire of Shaver Lake which was not where he was backpacking. I knew he was far enough away for it not to be like an immediate danger to him. But I could see that it was covering the road. He had to go through that very narrow road that we discussed. That, he had to go through in order to access the point where he started backpacking. And I can see that there was no way out and I could see that the fire was growing. To word his location. So that was a little bit concerning. At the same time, helicopter pilot KIP got was preparing for what was to become the first of three nights of helicopter rescues when you got the call from Colonel Hall, what was your understanding of the situation at the time? So it was really really early early in the call. So is not a lot of information. We knew there was a place somewhere up in the hills of in the sears east of. That there was a wildfire that was trapping. Some people initially was thirty. People is the Zorro regard and the lat long grids that we Weren't necessarily right next to any kind of Laker reservoir that we were able to determine so while they were trying to tighten up. As we head into the to the airport to get our craft. Already, you know start the briefing in approval process while current hall in other people got more refined information. Talk us through the steps that you the crew went through after that initial call from Colonel Hall. So we get into the flight facility and a maintenance personnel shows up and helps us determine what aircraft has the most hours on it or the most potential hours I did not have to stop or or swap out an aircraft and then Warne to also go on preflight the craft start from the nose up on top down on the bottom tail go through we have a checklist and go through the pre flying, and then I went upstairs and started on the paper of the approval processes brief and getting much weather as could checking on the T. Avar temporary flight restriction in trying to find information of that where it's it's boundaries were just all that type of information in than we all. Broke off to our individual jobs and got those completed in met up to get our night vision goggles and our radios in publications. F. A. Publications for instrument recovery and stuff like that. So all that information all gathered up after about maybe an hour that all took an hour in by five or five fifteen, we were completed with all our tasks and I shot. The colonel message saying we are ready to go just waiting some some finite information as far as the exact location. Sore. Not Out there at the wrong place and with frequencies and an updated estimate estimate of people worth management is one of the most important aspects of flight safety and there's a lot the pilots can learn from the military about their approach to risk management. Was this considered a high risk category mission and did require any kind of command level sign offs this now we did. So it was not high risk. It was it was a moderate risk and then we on our risk. There are some moderates that you can do. Some mitigation factors try to get it to a low. Most of these that we were out that night, there were modern that could not be reduced. So we got briefed by there's a moderate risk rivers in the state, and there's a couple of high risk briefers state. Gun contact with one of them in the we normally get a brief from another individual who's in command in he can brief he listens to what we're doing listens to our plan, and then he contributes where he thinks we could do something a little different or did you think this or how this when he can brief any level of risk and then we call for an approver after we get done with the briefer than we call different individual and he the person who makes the final approval and those guys have levels of of authority a low moderate or high. KIP. Flew in formation that night with a National Guard C. H. Forty Seven Chinook helicopter piloted by Joe Rosamund that helicopter flew down from Stockton and was already in the air when Kip took off and met with it. So like I said on the Chinook was up there already Joel Rosenman is the piece of that aircraft and he was contacting. Creek air attack and I could hear him because have monitoring the same frequencies and he was joe was already at the far at the edge of the T. Afar temporary flight restriction in in there have access. So I asked the Creek air attack if I could gain access to join up with my sister ship and he said no hold where you're at Augusta tankers in in, he's working different. Than, we are I would suspect he knew that there was an evacuation law mission, but he's working a fire mission. So he's got his priorities in he doesn't know what we're doing. So he was not being malicious or was not holding us out for any other reason except he's supposed to be there to to get tankers on the perimeter, the fire and drop the retardant. That's what he was doing if that particular time. So he asked me to hold out I held. For a few minutes in the I asked him if it was possible that he could give me a ceiling not to exceed and I could go try different area and it was still daylight. So he did he accommodated me and I went around the south in the east side of the fire to if we pick it in that way and it was blocked completely a wall of smoke. So I came back again it got darker and darker as we were doing this. In the ended about seven o'clock in the evening he was done. It had not been that long. It'd make less definitely less than half an hour could be even less than fifteen minutes that he was holding us and then it got dark enough that he could not flying more in the tankers could not fly anymore. So we talked among ourselves the three of. US The air attack guy in the two army pilots and said, Hey, were aided and we'd like to have access to go in there and he says, okay, my tankers are done and I'm about to leave myself. So the errors on yours just be safe and good luck and we linked up together and started heading up the San Joaquin River valley that leads up. To towards mammoth fools reservoir, the ceiling was that it was probably a thousand feet above the ground where it was completely imc where if we would've gone a thousand feet above the ground, we would have had to do an instrument recovery. But below thousand feet, we were still able to see a little bit with the help of gobbles ranging from half mile to three quarters of a mile visibility. And we just slowly sixty Nassir or so transitioned up towards the mammoth pools reservoir on route up there. We separated by probably right at three quarters of a mile to give each other enough room that if we did go in version, we were not going to be in danger of colliding with each other and that if somebody. If the if the visibility closed down and they had to do with three, hundred, sixty, one, hundred, eighty degree turn to come back out the other guy wouldn't be right there in his face. So stay close enough that we could see but enough room to give the I. The other Guy Room to maneuver. And I think we got about halfway to lake in a gun, very, very smokey and I lost sight of Joe Upfront and when I lost sight of them, I just immediately turned around and told him I lost sight of him. I was not going to follow any longer I turned around to find another route. We wouldn't be in the same space with the same altitude he continued on. He made slowly little by little to the lake and I exited out the same way we came in and the way that I tried earlier during the day that was too smokey. I tried that same way now because I knew goggles were give me another half mile visibility so we transitioned. South in east of the fire going over Shaver Lake and Huntington late, and we approach the whole time we were talking to the other aircraft on internal frequency. So knew that he was having success and he was continuing to go towards the lake on the west side of the fire. We approach the lake on the east side of the fire, and once he told me, he was down in safe than I pushed in we actually got to the lake and we were both right. They're able see each other and re link-up. A room for both of you to land or go one at a time. We went one at a time. There was a cement boat launch that people launched their small pleasure craft in Jet Skis and whatnot in that would only support one aircraft and there was lots of room on the dirt on the shoreline because the lake is actually down a little bit but it was just too dusty cars probably between twenty and thirty cars that had safely driven to the edge. Of the lake they were right there at the shoreline. I mean they were taking up a lot of space to but the program luckily, there was only a couple of cars in as he made his approach everybody moved out of the way and he was able to land on the boat ramp and label load up some people. While he was doing that I circled the lake, there had been some. Reports that there were people that were down by the dam that also needed to be rescued. So we flew down to the damn. We did not see anybody we hovered for a long time probably took I would say at least fifteen minutes maybe even longer for Joe to load up his guys and so we hovered around the edge of the lake. There was a couple of vehicles here and there. We go next to the vehicles they weren't burnt but just wanted to make sure there was nobody in the vehicle we assume that the people jet Skis of people at the pleasure craft had gone across lake and pick them up and brought them. Everybody was spoke awaiting us at the boat ramp in what was the situation there in terms of the fired, how close it was in what that was like. Had, the fire was probably was earning every piece of vegetation. So the only safety was between the lake being a little bit low right now, and everybody could have a little safety zone between the edge of the forest and the lake, and so it was probably between. I don't know maybe thirty five feet from the rotor disk where we were landing enough that we were blowing embers around with the with the rotor wash while so you're extremely close to the fire. Yeah, was right there it was. We're very fortunate that the lake was down at gave those people safety space I get in there and for them to to wait to be able to wait. I get in there and get them and I heard that some people were injured either broken bones or burned. So what can you tell us about them? So the crew chiefs, they're in their called flight engineers on the ship on the flight engineers went down there and organized people. And try to prioritize anybody hurt bring them up I people were very, very nervous and very scared but they were also very courteous in letting the people that needed to get out first women and children and the people were injured. They were the first on the aircraft. So they had quite a few people who were burnt arms legs some face as well and couple broken bones in they filled up I don't know the exact number between fifteen sixty. I do have written down here somewhere fill their aircraft up and then departed in we came behind him and there were still couple injured people that had not made it up to the aircraft for them to to. EVAC Gentlemen was very short on breath and I don't know if he had you know severe asthma but obviously air was very thick with smoke and that was making whatever condition he had way wayward. So two gentlemen were carrying him up and We had our aircraft was already full of people and the crew chief on on our aircraft had asked to people to get out so that he could get in and but they did quickly they saw he was definitely need need of being. Evacuated right then. So they were very accommodating got border aircraft when we took him down the hill and we have when we go to do fire buckets or when we're doing stuff around the lakes, we have our horse collars for flotation in. Then we also have a heeds bottle, which is a small oxygen bottle that has approximately three minutes oxygen. Let's just regular compressed air, but obviously, it's pure compressed air. It's not smoke filled air. So we gave him our oxygen bottle than that helped immensely. Guessing color back in his face in, we got down the hill. and. Here's Carl Hall talking about the injured passengers. No I think a lot of them were injured essentially trying to escape from fire you hear the stories of some of the evacuees they literally watch their cars burned to the ground. It wasn't a situation where people weren't trying to escape from planes they were physically trying to escape flames. And two of the individuals were categorized essentially, it's urgent and the other nineteen. Ended up, requiring evacuation to the hospital that they were to a lesser extent you're. Actually identified more injuries after they've made it through the triage site. Of whether or not folks. Been Burn and you know they were feeling fine because of lane. What have you? Maligning wasn't great at the initial triage location but at the time we. Put them into a good area where it's wall with he started identifying problems. So we. Medical personnel. In with triage, those individuals that actually played into the second night essentially created to triage centers wants to determine you know more problems you can get them off their. Secondary slower triage with medical personnel make sure that we didn't miss. It was a surprise to you that there were injured people and that kind of. What you had to bring in terms of resources to the Fresno airport. And I'll tell you that that was another thing that was kind of strange for us. You know a typical search and rescue we will launch to a location link up with the sheriff. Plan on the fly usually that plan is bringing them back to certain location of actual certain hospital. This one was a little bit more dynamic because. See. And we were listening to the radios over the Internet is you must know Madera County sheriff and all those scanners online. And the second I heard Joe Rosamund heading Fresno on the radio the Dawn on me or lack of actions that would need to happen. We normally. Don't do that. I. Knew exactly where it was going to the G or we add a supportive facility. On a weekend place, he's not stopped like normal. So we. Bring in additional staffing. Made a double check to. Work or know Ron forsman also or Huytler services insured they were tracking that you know we're going to be potentially a lot of casualties coming to the Tasman. I'll tell you the local responders. You know they did a great job. NO SETTING UP A. Triage Center and I had more capacity. was needed for the number of injured. We actually brought in. was in excellent to rural to actually go through that in the event, something would happen later on down the road plenty of support and I know that were also some official calls from. Cal Fire Derek. Sherman through the normal channels relaying. Information as loud. It helps on especially when you're trying to deal with the dynamics of our, what were some of the different agencies involved while cal fire and US Forest Service in our county sheriff were involved definitely on the front and. You know once we got to Fresno Air Force. It was civilian ems I don't know the specific names of companies. You know the the Fresno Airport Police. Department Fire Department new city fire department all ended up responding. Paramedics multiple him to. Of course, the news crews weren't had too far behind his to what was going on. So, why Ruckus after I? Make. Sure. HELICOPTER PILOT KIP guarding picks up the story after the first trip to Fresno. So we got all those people down the first trip. We got back to Fresno filled up again with gas. It is close enough that we could have tried to make to turns in one Tanga Gas, but the weather with the visibility coming and going we just WANNA be out there caught on the second turn. Of One bag of gas soul. So we ended up shutting down we had the airport come over and give us gas and that gas truck stayed on ramp the rest of the night. So you get instantaneous response for us went up the second time again, I told you we went to a different route because the first route had closed in. Did the exact same thing you know? went to to the boat Ram had our flight engineers get out in interact with people that were there until them we're gonNA come back and let's let's get the women show of people that are more critical i. And they all were accommodating second trip. It was a little worse as far as the visibility and that is the one where we took a lot of people. The Chinook ended up taking a hundred. In one I believe and we ended up taking twenty two or three, and we only have so many seats on the block. We have eleven seats we had people sitting on the floor he. People sitting on each other's lapse. Every space of the aircraft was full of somebody and I'm assuming from the pictures I've seen the same way with the Chinook they just they just filled up every single space than the estimated numbers we estimated numbers as well. Went back to that computer. Make sure we had the performance to take off and we went into. The engines I can speak for the Blackhawks I'm assuming that the Chinook is pretty close you know the engines can perform at an elevated level for thirty minutes ended elevated level for ten minutes. We different limits in you know in the ten second limit. So we use those thirty minute limits those ten minute limits, which is really a long time when really tried to take off and get the flight once you get the flight, your backing, your normal envelope, but it's just taking off that that we needed use those limits to get up out of there. And that was the first night. Tell us about the weather on subsequent days in about other rescues that you made on subsequent days yes. Oh Lee, that was the first night. The next morning we got done that one thirty, two o'clock, and we had some people come into, relieve us to work the day shift, and unfortunately the weather was just terrible. We had no visibility during the day. So they were not able to get up. There were some other people luckily, not as critical as this night and those people that were definitely stranded they needed evac right then the fire had traps some other people in various other places, but the fire was not right on. That night we came on duty again, same to cruise and we were unable to get up as well did. At least two if not three weather checks more we. Went up the hill and saw how far we could get trying to go north south trying to go over the top and we were unable to then the following day. So today's after the initial rescue we add some wind shifts and we decided as crews that we would go to sleep and be more refreshed for two. Am when we thought there was can be shifting patterns, and so we woke up, we took twenty minute naps. Guys took an hour nap and we woke up and launched at two o'clock in up there and tried to get in these places where we knew there were people were at and we're able to. Already laborde was one of the people picked up last night. and. Once we got to the dock at the other end of the lake the receiving under the lake. There was a couple of a couple of sheriffs standing there waiting for us and they had their yellow yellow jumpers on. You know as we approach their backpacks they they stopped US instead. Okay. Here's what's going on in the told. At the roads have been closed fires approaching we've been told to shelter in place here at Florence Lake, never about I guess there are about fifty people there Florence. People that have been collected from the back country. And we're told to go back to our cars and hang out. We may spend the night there. We may be shuttled out. It's still in flux. So we didn't really know what to expect just told to. Hang out and stay loose and be ready and yeah. More and more people arrived I guess at the end, there are about one hundred and twenty or so people there and everyone was in a really good good mood never an ice spirits one funny. Know they gathered everyone around and they they served us a meal. They have it's a it's a High Sierra of backpack resupply station. and. So they had a bunch of food and they. So they fed us all on the house which was wonderful, and this is probably about nine o'clock at night by now and the funny thing was they had a huge bonfire set up at the end of the. Facility was about twenty people sitting around this bonfire singing songs. And we scratched our head. That's kind of ironic is but. Everyone is in good spirits down there. No one was panicking or freaking out and the Rangers the the sheriffs in the Rangers made it quite clear. What was going to happen next and tell us to be ready at any moment during the night you'll be woken up by the sound of a siren when that happens everyone is to gather at this one point for further instructions. So what was your first sign that the helicopters were there and what time was that? You was as three am check my clock my watch but I was asleep sound asleep. It was probably one of the best night's sleep site had on the trip. Just. Probably because exhausted but I heard the sound you know the clapping of a distant helicopter it got louder and louder us and as coming to consciousness. I realized you know. I hadn't really didn't really believe that we are going to be helicoptered out no one I heard the helicopter thought. It's three in the morning is, is this really going to happen and then the sirens went off the sheriff you know got in his car and he was circling camp area with the Siren. Saying everyone you know get up. And go boy this is it. This is this is really going to happen. In. So packed up our tents, put him being in the car and met at the prescribed area. So the only did one at a time and. It started about four and in everyone's hanging out waiting and. We heard the four different three or four different shuttles go back and forth, and we realize is going to take forever at this rate and. Later in the day, the smoke really sets in helicopters can no longer. Safely. Execute that operation, and then it was about I guess about eight eight eight in the morning that we heard this really loud helicopter and looked up and there was the dual crop I guess it's Chinook. Coming in. And we realized okay, this is it. This is. Is. Coming in. Instead of the rest of us were cheering. How many folks were on your helicopter and what was the the ride like back then A. Say about. Sixty people. Packed. In there, the Chinook has benches along the sides lengthwise. So those filled up in the pack people on the floor and my my two buddies and I were the last three to get onto that particular helicopter. and. So we are just smashed into the very end and I wasn't aware that they don't really close up the back hatch. They lift up the ramp a little bit but you can full aperture vision out the back end of this thing. With just a nylon strap running across I. Don't know what good that would be but I guess it just lets you know don't don't cross this line. In those a national guardsmen standing there with his helmet looking very official just watching us all. Where did they take you in? What was that like what happened when you arrived they took us to Fresno Yosemite International Airport, and it was an interesting ride. You know flying over the Sierra, you can see the smoke and. I'm assuming the helicopter took a path didn't go directly because that would have a direct route would have been right over the fire. So we went around well around like to the south and then back to the West around the smoke because you could see the smoke to the left and was clear to the right. We landed at the airport and. Just like you see on TV when you see people being evacuated because of hurricanes. Tornadoes, helicopter landed everyone got out, and there was a row of national guardsmen and C. and firemen clapping and cheering and clapping back and. We follow the lead person into A. Facility where they processed us took our names and everything and. Then we went into the big auditorium with the water and the food and the COTS, and and that's where we are left, but we quickly requested a rental car and. They got us a rental car within thirty minutes and forty note we are on our on the highway heading to the. Bay. Area. Pretty efficient, very well done. The National Guard is of course used to flying difficult combat missions and I, wondered how these rescue missions compared with. Flying Combat. Talk about the difficulty of this mission comparative is some the missions you've flown overseas. This is much more taxing the the workload in the just stressing anxiety is. Just from beginning to end, there's not any. There is a little bit of relaxation when we come back refueling, we got a few minutes to just grab a burger. But when you're out there, it's it's very demanding and overseas it is equally demanding. There's people that want to hurt you. Know areas of ground that we don't control. So you don't want to have your aircraft have to make a precautionary landing, but you know we have fantastic aircraft like from the beginning. Redundant systems whether it's electrical hydraulics or engines. Fantastic machines privilege to fly. So it's not the front of your mind when we're overseas in if somebody does shoot at you, it's quick. It's it's something that happens in your your onto picking up some guy at. A base that needs to go home on leave or you're picking up somebody who needs to go to medical men or you're moving somebody doing something and you're focusing on them, getting them there safely. So the the shooting is very quick and then it's done worse working the fires and it's just beginning to end. You clearly love your job flying helicopters. What would you tell young people who have? Flying for the guard. I. Would Tell them that California guard needs pilots right now. So they think that they would like to try it. They're certainly recruiters around there's days that we invite people down to the base in show off the aircraft we go to. Football in school events, my son is an eagle scout and the I am assistant scout master. So we do those kinds of events in anybody thinks that they would like to do it. I would encourage them to follow through in because it could be you and it's been a great thirty four years for me that have been in service in I'm very, very thankful that I stumble long and I'm very happy that been able to do it this long. With fires getting worse every year in California I ask Colonel Hall about what the future holds. Well, it sounds like some of the conditions were you're right at the limits in terms of weather and visibility if every subsequent year seems to be a record here in California for fires, what are the implications for the future? I think there's a lot of things that are beginning of the. One of the big ones is no idea and concept. Of. Fighting fires at night with my Donald Student. That's already occurring in some cities because the. Right to life is so I only wallet areas don't know that it's ever been explored and wildland firefight. Were trying to set ourselves up in our show ourselves in -sition where we can was. Converting the White Foster startles which have better capability we're trying to rethink whether or not. We continue down the road buccaneer pather explore. Tank, solutions but. The primary thing that I'm concerned about is. That our our popular scales. Using military on because that's what designed for. First and foremost it's about. Mortified, if needed. We don't WanNa make such a significant modification Quickly changed out. So we're looking for solutions that are easy, plug and play. Also made meet the needs of cal fire. The cal fire is a different organization need to be able to tell us to. Transport troops in a moment where if you have no tank aircraft, you know where the tank is inside the gaslight. Putting troops, seats. You know that's a limiting factor in so but I do think the time has coming. Sooner than later where you're going to start. Fires. Get fought at night. And things will probably change in the future for always backpacking trips. I think he'll probably reconsider the time. That he goes it was always just Again, some Labor Day was always somewhere in there. It was a five to seven day trip and partly because you know people like to access that day off but. was also the time of year it's it's past summer kids are back in school. There aren't as many people as cooler not as many bugs. Me Start. To See fall colors beautiful time of year but now That we have such a thing as we now call fire season. They're considering going earlier just so that they don't have to again even with this inconsideration. They went knowing there was no fire in the area they went knowing that they were in. They were going to be okay but it's still spot fires and how they can grow and who knows where they're going to start. Is just. There's too many variables so I think they'll try to make. A Safer Bet I guess is the way to put it and and probably go earlier in August. So if you could say anything to the pilots who flew those helicopters, what would you? What would you say to them? Well, you know the word hero tends to be. Used so much that it's lost its. meaning that they truly are just absolute heroes. I just anyone who's in that line of work. Not. Just the the pilots being foremost. They're the ones who are navigating that terrain, the fire and the smoke and civilians fear not to mention dogs. Getting on their helicopters and I'm flying them safely away. That's no small feat and takes. Take someone with immense amount of skill and composure and just heart. Really. To to make that work at not to mention all the other people that are involved the national guard the sheriff's department. It's just amazing. The people who? The skillset and the courage and the heart again about two people like that. And Johanna isn't the only one who thinks that the National Guard crews are heroes the distinguished flying cross is a military decoration awarded to any officer or enlisted member of the United States Armed Forces who distinguishes himself or herself in support of operations by quote, heroism or ordinary achievement while participating in aerial flight. And on September fourteenth the seven National Guard crew members of the Black Hawk in the Chinook that rescued al-rhian hundreds of people from the wildfires were presented the distinguished flying cross by the president of the United States. The crew members on the Blackhawk were pilot in command. KIP Gutting Pilot Irvin Hernandez in Kerchief one ji-sung. The shouldn't crew members honored were piling command. Joe Rosamund. Pilot Brady Hell Bain, and flight engineers George Esquivel in Cameron. Powell. Tells how you found out that you'd be receiving the Distinguished Flying Cross and what was that like? That was pretty incredible. We were told that we were GONNA receive some sort of recognition and a metal, and that the Governor California was involved in that slowly grew into. Now the president is involved in. It was great. We're happy to be there. We're happy we had the opportunity to. Help those people out in their time knee and I guess most of us feel it just happened to be on duty that answered the call and there's plenty more capable people that can do that as well. In the California Darn, I'm sure you're always looking for more people to join the national. Guard. What kind of people are you looking for and what kind of qualifications would they need to join? The National Guard really has a lot of different opportunities by. Question, because really have options for just about every. Not, I'm going to focus more on aviation site. Halfway. Our time. How pilots straight out of flight school. A straight out high school the flight school years in pathway onto go onto college you know through the ROTC program have your college fully funded. Then become a pilot for us. There's a half for listed soldiers for those who want to be mechanics more on helicopters those that want to fly drones those. Avionics, specialists, there is a path for those that want to. Pursue, military helicopters while also getting amp. I'll license on the side and working using that amp license on military helicopters so It's. Really. Just a tremendous amount of opportunities. A two two paths to get to fairly quickly. One is obviously going to the local national. Guard. The other option is just hitting US up on facebook. Cap Site which on right direction from there but we're definitely looking for folks especially folks that are fire service as well. Potentially of the left army and miss it or the Marines you know maybe air force or not. We've got each one of those types of service members within our organizations that are actively serving as guard members and various. Other. Any kind of age limits so for flight school there there definitely is. Once you get past thirty four. It's very difficult to get a waiver. So really liked people to be below thirty before they make that decision but you know health is obviously a factor much like within the civilian. Industry you know on the military side, there's other aspect of of being deployable that go down range physically fit to. Pass our fitness tests that sort of thing. Unfortunately. The story like the wildfires. have an ending. Kept guarding and other members of the fortieth Kabir still out there today spending most of their time dropping water on fires they typically work for seven days in a row getting a day off called a reset day. The creek fire is still burning more than three weeks after it started the nearly four hundred people were rescued. It's now the sixth largest wildfire in California history having burned over three hundred and five thousand acres and just to give you an idea of how bad this wildfire season is. Five of the six largest fires in the history of the state all started in the past eight weeks. By the way the creek fires just four percent contained. Last week Laborde was scheduled to return the mountains in a sheriff's Caravan. So he and others could retrieve their cars and belongings left behind when they were rescued. But that caravan was canceled his fire began moving back toward the root of the mountains they need to take. Johanna, send along some websites she uses to track fire what is from the National Interagency Fire Center which shows all major wildfires in the US and I've included a link to those websites on our show notes, which you can find by going to aviation news talk dot com slash one, six, four in just two days ago. Another major fire called the glass fire broke out in the San Francisco Bay area that fires grown forty, six, thousand acres with just two percent containment so far more than eighty thousand people have been evacuated including the entire town of Calistoga and also including what of my flying Clients Jeremy I. Hope you in your home stay safe. My thanks to Colonel David Hall Chief Warrant Officer Five Gutting All reward and Johanna McCloy who eats spent about forty five minutes talking with me to tell us their story. 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NPR News: 09-06-2020 10PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 6 months ago

NPR News: 09-06-2020 10PM ET

"From NPR news in Washington. I'm Louise Schiavone the mayor and police chief in Rochester New York. Say they will not resign after days of sometimes violent protests. Demonstrators have accused local officials of covering up the death of a black man Daniel prudhoe in police custody NPR's Brian Man has more at a news conference Sunday, Rochester. Mayor. Lovely Warren said she won't bow to protester demands that she and her chief of Police Lebron Single Terry step down. It is clear to me that there is more work to be done and I am committed to doing with necessary. I know that the chief is committed to join with necessary. Warren also defended police use of force against protesters in recent days saying there were credible reports some activists plan to damage or destroy police headquarters, Brian Man. NPR News Rochester new. York. Parts of Arizona. Are. Record breaking heat this Labor Day weekend as Kathy Richie for member station K. J. Z. Z. in Phoenix report they were record breaking temperatures this weekend. If you've ever visited Arizona in the summer, you've probably heard some describe it as a dry heat but this summer has been especially brutal Saturday. Reached a record one, hundred fifteen degrees for the date making it the. Fourteenth. Day. This. Year where Phoenix had a high of one hundred, fifteen degrees or more the record high on Sunday was one hundred eleven set in two thousand, thirteen meanwhile, the Phoenix. Fire Department is rescued several people who were experiencing heat related symptoms while climbing camelback mountain, a popular destination today marks fifty third day of one, hundred, ten degrees or more in Phoenix for NPR news I'm Cathy Richie. In. Sweltering California hundreds of people have been airlifted to safety after a fast moving wildfire trap them in a camping area. NPR's Joel rose reports that firefighters are battling dozens of blazes across the State Fast fast-spreading fire in California's Sierra National Forest trapped hundreds of campers at a popular reservoir near Shaver. Lake northeast of Fresno emergency responders had US military helicopters to evacuate more than two hundred campers in a series of rescues that began Saturday and continued through the night. Brutal. Heat is pushing temperatures into the triple digits across. California bone dry conditions. Hot Weather are fueling more than twenty major fires in the state including fast-spreading fires in the mountains east of Los Angeles and San Diego Joel, rose, NPR, News California's power grid managers. Warn there could be rolling blackouts of customers don't conserve energy extreme heat is driving the highest power use of the year and transmission losses due to wildfires have cut into supplies Eric Schmidt of the California independence operators said up to three million customers could lose power for up to four hours tonight, the creek fire on the Sequoia National Forest and another fire in southern California have knocked out transmission. This is NPR. In Belarus tens of thousands of people marched Sunday in Minsk demanding President Lukashenko step down declaring his reelection fraudulent. Lithuania's foreign minister is urging the e you to take a stronger stand on democratic values. Teri Schultz has the latest Lithuanian Foreign Minister Lena's linkages says the E. US credibility and foreign policy is being undermined by the lack of decisive actions against the flawed August ninth vote and ongoing violence against. Protesters. In Belarus linkages tells the Financial Times newspaper at the E. You must provide concrete help for the pro democracy movement, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in the sanctions on Belarusian, president, Alexander Lukashenko and twenty nine other officials in August expressing impatience with Brussels. The E U rejects the election results and has warned Minsk those responsible for the fraud and the crackdown will be penalized, but that hasn't happened yet and Lukashenko himself is. UNLIKELY TO BE TARGETED FOR NPR news I'm Teri Schultz in Brussels top seeded Novak Djokovic is out of the US. Open. After accidentally hitting a line judge with a tennis ball that he hid in frustration joke veterans playing Pablo's who radio booster when he was defaulted puszta called a bad luck. I don't think that anyone of us of the blaze do this this kind of invention you know it's just a moment is. He I broke in the fund You know he's the. I think that was by luck richest bidding for an eighteenth Grand Slam title I'm Louise Schiavone, NPR news Washington.

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The Embers of California

The Classicist

26:49 min | 5 months ago

The Embers of California

"Welcome to the Class PODCAST VER- institution I'm your host choice cynic and classicist is Victor Davis Hanson the morten and neely, Anderson Senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. Victory. Returning today to perennial theme of Oars perennial unfortunately because it's always salient. And that's the state of California. Or. Maybe we should say the state of the State of California where you live where I'm from, and let's start today with that recurring feature of late summer early fall in California, which wildfires and heat waves. And if you were to go solely by national media coverage of this phenomenon. You could be forgiven for believing that this is entirely a function of climate change in the state of California. Is More or less helpless to do anything in the face of the outbreaks as a lifelong Californian. How well does that I don't think anybody believes that? Here in California. Because any of us who grew up remember going in the Sierra. National. Forest or Sequoia National Park acidity in there were logging roads, criss crossing those mountains size. So when you had a drought in there were many of them. Gosh I live in the seventy, six, seventy, seven drought it was bad as a two, thousand fourteen. But they cut down trees and they cleared the brush. You could see you actual force rangers that they would have tractors spring to spine them. Pulling out stuff. That was the idea that you had to kind of. Tidy up the forest and then came. Wu's afforest four is not to make would for our home is not to have a bunch of guys on snowmobiles or jet skis go to a lake it's not to go camp out. Is Not is not the for people it's for nature. So fires are good and they clean up periodically they can out the dead creeds and what is. What's the national sort of forest? Like I have a house in Huntington Lake, it's for basically a guy and Powell also. I don't know Malibu who's pretty well off and he likes to commune with nature for a week or two, and he backpacks doesn't WanNa see anybody. Then he goes home and devotes for all sorts of Rhode Cancelation and no more law gain. That's what happened and everybody had warned about it. If you go back and look at the two, thousand, fourteen drought. Almost every day, there's a major article saying this is going to be a disaster. We have one or two years to harvest sixty, seventy, eighty, million dead trees that were either killed by the drought or weakened in the bark beetle destroyed them. They're gonNA be Green Napalm if we ever have a fire and we had fires. Where I was Sir two years ago there was the aspen fire the huge fire there was a huge paradise last year and everybody warned them. And I don't know whether it was just pure ideology are the state that has the highest tax basket and the country is broke. So but it was a it was convenient. Wasn't it for the Greens tell the governors Brown and newsome. It's much better not to spend any money on for force cleanup and then for them to say, yeah, we don't have any money so we'll just not go in there and cut those things. Sh- and then I saw I got kind of scared because in March April is the snow began to melt and go up at the Sierra. There was a panic almost about insurance companies were pulling out. There were no longer I got a note and said, yeah, five days to either w premiums are canceling your everybody did and they thought you know what this is. Now out of hand, trees are no longer good for blogging. Too. Long they're rotting and they're falling over on you know across trails we gotta go, and so they started mass cutting in the Sierra and they were hoping they could beat the fire seasons tradition starts in on its but they couldn't get the stuff out they. They cut it up it in kind of like funeral pyre square boxes so they could burn it when the snow came. and. The point I'm making is that when this thing hit it was tinderbox talked a lot of people in the fire service. and Law enforcement about this last two weeks and they all say if we had not had the dead trees at the rate. We did we could have handled it because they'll say the big firewood sweep through, and then it would send you all the branches or the the needles. A Cedar or sugar pine, but it wouldn't ignite it if it was green and lush. Not only ignite would blow apart. A, six year old tree that was no dry not only dead but dry for six years which just blow them apart and send. Kinda like Molotov cocktails over. The roof of the forest. Everybody knows that. So we all know that what happens in now in California in late summer is we get a fire. And it's because we don't it hillsides with cattle. We don't share the brush we don't allow logging, and then we have a left-wing official saying this is all because of climate change you not more or panels and more subsidized high speed rail. It used to work but I don't think anybody believes it anymore they all know what's going on. And they also, there's another thing that people don't talk about. It's kind of like the protest that we saw that some people got the protest and break the quarantine. Some didn't. So there was a gender roudine of boop that was leading up virtual fireworks and dry hillside. What was that a rollout and it's pretty common knowledge where we are here that there's a lot of marijuana farms. Up in the Sierra people illegally from Mexico? In the Sierra drug, this Wallace, so-called hippies and make they're not vigorously going after them in a way that they use to some us very deadly chemicals as well for herbicides and fertilizers and stuff. So there's a idea that Well. We have some traditional people in the forest and we're not really going to go with him out and so. That was a problem, but it wasn't climate change. We I have seen all sorts of browse force virus and. It was a state with forty million people that did not want to clean their forest up then. The government had spent the money on other things that were not essential and said, they were broke and so then they dressed up at bankruptcy by saying snow note was climate change of. Another factor that didn't work. This summer is a phrase that will bring goosebumps to anyone who lived in. California. During nearly two thousands of rolling blackouts. and. It's been sort of amazing to watch Gavin newsom the governor in California. React to these with a certain kind of outrageous if these are unpredictable acts of God. In reality if you understand the way that policy works California. The starts to make a lot more sense. So explain what that looks like well. We. have. I think the fourth largest reserves of natural gas and we were the pioneer a nuclear power. So say. Two hours from where I'm sitting Diablo Canyon is about fifty years old. Produces clean safe waitress going to be shut down now it's not going to be we re energize new fuel. And during the Gray Davis brownouts before the climate hysteria, we build a lot of the up to date. More natural gas and then we started to say you can't FRAC and we cut back natural gas and the result of it is, and then we started subsidizing wind and solar the you see these farms everywhere everybody has panels I have panels. Okay the problem with all of this is that when it smokey in a forest fire my. Panel, generation went down by seventy percents because I'm looking out the window and it looks like a winner foggy day there's no summa. and. So what happened was we had to do two things. We needed more energy because temperatures climbed as they always do laid office, you're in Selma right. Looking out the window at Solomon's one, hundred, eight last week you want your air conditioning, you turn it on everybody turns it on. Guess what the? The state has no power. And so they have either have a rolling block out they have to buy electric from coal producing plants in places like Utah. Or they have to tell. The lake that ten or twelve percent of our is is old fashioned hybrid electric, which they kind of sneer at its cleanest power there is but they kinda scare out because. We acquire his alteration of the environment with a down. And so what happened is I'll give you an example Huntington Lake they said, you know what? We're GONNA drain the lake before Labor. Day. We're sorry we need this hydro-electric we're gonNA run the Big Creek Power Project at full capacity hundred and ten percent because the cause of this heat wave. And then all of a sudden guess what. the the fire broke out the smoke came the solar panel. Wind farms were not very good. They didn't produce things at night. And we had rolling blackouts and then the forest policy destroyed the power, and now that lake is filling up because they don't have any electricity. To open up the gates with a pin to open the gates to generate it because all of everything is burned and the infrastructure ruined. So the lake if you go up there, it's going see pictures going over the top of the down. So as a multi on I'm getting out, it's kind of a multi system breakdown. One Guy said to me yet a mask on talking to him. At the doctor's office said. You have the mask on because you're afraid of Kobe. Or do you have the mask on because you can't breathe the smoky air or you have a mask on because you're one of the criminals everybody let out they let twenty thousand people. Without you know that when prison jails that's what? That's what we're talking about in California which Michael Bloomberg says the future we all read all like the how. I have a close friend who ran for office in California longtime ago decades ago. And he was a native Californian but a Californian who had spent a lot of his political career in DC in for that reason, the issue that was the hardest for him to get his head or out. In I think the one that it's difficult for a lot of non Westerners to understand the importance of is water but this is so central to public policy in. California. At such a flashpoint there can you explain why water policy plays such a major role of the state? Well This is a huge state. Eight hundred miles. Long and unfortunately or fortunately two thirds of the people live in the central Bowie on the coast and the L. Basin area and sending were only one third of precipitation falls. And were two-thirds fall on the northern. Half of the northern third of the state in the Sierra Nevada mountains no, only A. Nobody the two-thirds were the precipitation. Snow is only one third or less than that live. So we just knew that. and. So you know visionaries like Pat Brown. Gerry. Bounds Dad they created two projects, the Central Valley PA triple. Project and the. California water project and they brought massive amounts of water out of. Malek Shot Xiao, Ston Oroville Dam, and they brought it all the way to the bay area's about seventy percent of Stanford University's water as California water project along with what comes in from Hetch hetchy from the city. And everybody knew it and it worked until they warned. US. Around nineteen eighty. Hey. This. Project designed for a State of sixteen million got twenty million people you're going to have shortages, and then we and then the Jerry Brown administration said, you know what? That's not natural Whitewater and then we had gray Davison then the legislature and they'd or rolled Wilson indignation. So the point is we didn't build any more reservoirs. We didn't build any more water transference and then we had our. Normal eight or nine year gap. We'd have a bad drought they dried up would have water we wouldn't have hydro-electric wouldn't have recreation we wouldn't have irrigation water. Everybody went nuts and they said it's climate change. and. We might have half a degree in California where eight years or nine years I've been reading the doubt. It's not someone on pure given the record home positive records but we have a person problem where we didn't keep up with population. And then we. We bought a lot of people from foreign countries were impoverished at were not aware of the need for infrastructure and they were act came into very affluent society and they didn't understand. That if you have enormous medical overruns or yet, California pensioners or whatever the reason is in, your wore not investing and freeways and dams and academics in stocks. The miss this beautiful utopia turn hostile could go rogue and savvy John Farrell did. So, what we need to do is you know we got to say look if you got a fire engine, you WanNa get up from Fresno up Huntington Laker Shaver, Laker Edison, you need a good road. We don't need to stop the road nineteen, seventy instead. You know now it's Kaiser will you can't. There's not there's no road to get up there to Edison fourth. And so the roads are bad. There's not infrastructure. The policies are bad and then we have no margin of error show. When we hit a drought bank, we had a earthquake bang if we hit a wildfire bank. And we have mass civilization disruption. Sixty four thousand dollar question is will the emerging mexican-american middle class which constitutes about forty percent of the population will they say you know what? This is kind of condescending and even racist on part of this bay area Silicon Valley Malibu elite. They have all the money, they have all the power and they wanna live in Utopia, but we bear the consequences of their ideology. So they live in seventy degrees we live in one hundred degrees. We want air conditioning, cheap formal power. We like to go up to the lake because we don't have enough money. You know to have a seaside home where we don't have a money like Pelosi live in nap but we don't even Pacific Heights. But we can't get to the late who this burning up you should have seen the caravan on Saturday, my son said. It was the most incredible thing ever see you went up there. And he had to turn around almost got caught. There was thousands of poor Mexican American people fleeing the hundred degree weather to go to Shaver Lake, and that was our big vacation for the entire month plan they have food they had been have a great time in the cool weather and they all were stuck in A. Hundred and five degree traffic jam trying to flee the fire was completely avoidable in sort of. Aristocratic. Symptom of what's wrong with this Medieval Society of two different classes of large underclassmen. I. Guess it's called a Gentry or clarity on the coats they do a lot of damage to people may call it morality. On that infrastructure note that you just sounded one of the things that's striking to me as a Californian who loves his home state in many ways wishes he was back there despite all this dysfunction the identified is to sit here in the New York City area where I am. In witness, the New, York, envy you see in California Sept Chops and what I mean by that is that amongst certain stripe of California elites? There is a real long for New, York, style density in housing, and in transportation there's increasingly explicit wish the people would just get off the road and give up their cars and the monument to that vision. As you mentioned earlier is what little has been constructed of the state's infamous Heidi speed rail project. So tell us about what that looks like today what broader truce it illuminates about infrastructure in California. Yes. Laura Logano Fox nation I think is having a series on that and she came here and we she and I drove over there it's. Ten Miles from my house and it's It's nothing. It's reminded me of supposedly the Potemkin villages under czarina Catherine because At every major highway or freeway, they've done a overpass and they have all these signs and posted posters your high speed rail bonds at work, and then you leave this little potemkin veneer and you start to follow and there's nothing I mean the land is barren they have right away apparently, but they haven't surveyed. They haven't cleared they haven't built anything. Because her broke and when even the cranes that are so visible and people were used to scurry around while you brought to work everyday to Fresno there's nobody there may maybe one or two maintenance people. So they're they're broken. The sad thing is not just that they blew third thirteen or fourteen billion. It's what they could've spent with thirteen fourteen so they. Could have made a six lane freeway from L. A. UP TO SACRAMENTO, the ninety nine, and it would have been safe, and now it's it remains the most dangerous highway per miles driven freeway of it's not even freeway should use that of any major thoroughfare in the United States or they could've finished the sites reservoir or the lost balance groundings reservoir or. Temperance flat in gained another ten million acre feet of water they could have done all of that. Or they could've cleaned up the forest for five billion dollars and allowed logging into going. We could have revived the timber industry. Was He really galling about this? Is that? So when you go. Up to Powell, also drive to Woodside or go to Portola Valley or drive up to presidio Heights in San Francisco you up to nap or Calistoga, and you see where these people live. So where are you going to Tesla? Dealership. It's amazing. They have hilltop states. They don't WanNa, live in high rises. They liked Jaguars especially a Mercedes Audi Tesla. I go to their home sometimes and believe me they are beautiful wood floors. They have granite counters at stain. It's very tasteful. Other words they'd like detached living they like to be on the freeway own super. Car. Super powered car whatever they think it is that they love private schools. They don't like the public schools they put the key they fight to get their kids in six or seven schools they namedrop. I can't talk to a wing billionaire millionaire without them saying you know my son is at Stanford issue. Or I was really disappointed. You know he went to new haven. I. Went to Cambridge Stay Cambridge means Harvard. Me New haven means Yale. So the most pretentious snobby people. saw what I'm getting at with this Wendy explanation I think all of this stuff that they do. Is Part of. You know a medieval centers buying one block on the Dome of Saint Peter's or Renaissance Center. So he can continue to send us penance expiation because believe me they do not want to get cram into mass transit and see people you don't go lawless as we've seen in New York. They do not want to walk into the highrise building and climate with a homeless on Siwa. Their idea is we're going to zoom or. skype from home and are beautiful with our beautiful view, and we're going to get on the freeway to. Good our weakened drive in a very nice sports car. And we want everybody else live in high rises and take mass transit because that's very green economical. It's like the Soviet. Elite with her. Competing Dhaka's on the shores of Crimea. Final question for you wrote about California recently in an article at National Review. which ended on a fairly dour note, you don't have a lot of faith at anything's going to change in California anytime soon and you're certainly not alone on that. So maybe I'm grasping at straws here victor, but is there anything in California in the year twenty twenty the give you even the faintest flicker of hope some outside chance that something somewhere could arrest the slide. What would you? What I when I talk like you and I are talking. I don't get very far with people in the Stanford. Committee where work. But I do get really far with people out here in that is what striking If. I. Talked to a local city councilman of I talked to highway patrolman. I talked with share off or I talked to a guy and a tractor. That even though it's it's kind of altered from the past immigrant experience when I grow up with Armenians and Greeks and Japanese and Portuguese this new emerging. Mexican American. Lower middle class, they want affordable trysofi, they want affordable gaps, they want timber, they are action people, and they want to know get up and go get them. They don't like the smog. Oh well, you know we can't do this can't can't do that. They came here to build something for a better life and they're starting to see that. You know they'll say why is gas been superior why? Why can't we turn our air conditioners? Why is food? So expensive? Why is all this stuff and I'll say I dunno, you guys voted for him. You tell me Oh. Would I vote for them I said yes. And they said, well, you know they were for this or that it's usually for big government or we distribution policies but now that they're. No longer poor as most immigrants began their starting to imitate the Italian American experience saved from Nineteen Twenty to nineteen seventy were as I said earlier. You look an Italian American Cuomo Giuliani. You can't predict this political. Persuasions by his last name that's happening I think Mexican American community I. Don't know if it's going to be in time for two thousand twenty but I think it will have a role. But. That's my sense of optimism that. They are going to be the new. conservative Democrat working plastic of we used to have. and. There's one other thing troy and that is. Culturally I don't think that these people are not quite understand. How they appeared others, I don't mean their political agendas or their socialism violence on talking about their mannerisms. There are the nasal tone voice and they're schizophrenia about. Making Fun of policemen are using profanity or using violence, and then when they're arrested and put on the ground and they put those little plastic temporary handcuffs a squeal yell you can't do this. I'm getting my lawyers worse believes I need the beliefs or something and that doesn't come off well to working people and so. That's the Democrats problem. They've got all of these elites and they condescendingly it's not the big say things like you ain't black, but they just assume that people. Because they share their their liberal philosophies. They'd liked them they like how they look how they talk how they act toward people and they don't. They think you know what these people are snobs their arrogant. I don't like it. They're not versatile people there. I don't WANNA say they're wimps that they are not, but there's a cultural divide that's growing and I don't think the left Israel those people that are screaming on Msnbc what? No matter what ethnic background I don't think they understand how they come off to working class people of all races and I do think that's one of the great fears and hatreds of Donald Trump both because I think he's I don't know if he started out but he's groping empirically hit and miss be starting to get the idea that. or You talk about class that is a pruitt concept in races not, and so if you can say to people of different races were all heroes Americans. We're all going to be middle class that's something that the. The Democratic Party or saying no. No. If you're Lebron you're Oprah Your Barraq Euro still may be multi millionaire billionaire but you're still oppress 'cause you're black. I, think that's one of the reasons they are terrified of this trump movement because he's redefining. America by class rather than permanent racial? Categorization. And not even like you're you're in the lower middle class. So you're exported but more like you're in the lower middle class in this America, it's not Europe. So we're GonNa get you in the upper middle class don't apologize for. And that's why I think all the hatred is that this is a very revolutionary movement that trump was trying to pull off. Nov He's articulated it, but it's nothing like John McCain or Mitt Romney. What's ironic is that? The people who hate him so much and they say, we need the Bush back or we need Romney back polite gentleman. The there was a legitimate criticism ever republicans that they were elitist and golf course people, and so it's kind of ironic that liberals like people that were Aristocratic Marcus Morris brought trump. You've been listening to the classes podcast with Victor Davis Hanson. Remember you can read all the victors work at Victor Hansen Dot Com and he's on twitter at VAT. And if you do the show, please rate it on Itunes or wherever you get your podcast for Victor Davis Hanson I'm Senate. Thanks for us. This podcast has been a production of the Hoover Institution where we advance ideas that define a free society for more information about our work and hear more of our podcasts or see our video content. Please visit Hoover Dot Org.

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Motor City Hypnotist Podcast with David Wright  Episode 45 Assertiveness, Part 1

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30:29 min | 3 months ago

Motor City Hypnotist Podcast with David Wright Episode 45 Assertiveness, Part 1

"You're listening to the podcast detroit visit. Www dot pastor troy dot com before information in this episode of the motor city hypnotist. Podcast if it's okay with everyone. We're gonna talk about assertiveness. I just wanna make sure it's okay though and how it can make you happier and more confident and as usual. I'm giving away a bunch of free stuff so stay tuned get ready for the motor city. Hypnotist do the on rights originating from the suburbs of detroit michigan. He is hypnotized thousands of people all over the united states. Do all right. It's been featured on news outlets only across the country and is the clinical director of outpatient mental health clinic located just south of detroit. For helps people using the power of it knows us. Welcome the motor city. Had been test david. all right. why does on people. It is david wright. The motor city hypnotist. We are back with another episode of the motor city hypnotist. Podcast gay glad to have you with us. 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It's real prevalent but it's a great avenue for people to get their work get their message out and have people find them but sometimes you get lost in that sea of things that it's like anything else you know you have two hundred channels at home and you probably only watch ten of them regularly right. Yeah i mean. I it's not gonna break my heart. Lifetime went away while you hit a nerve. Oh no it's okay. i. I'm just saying if i had to give up you know. Yeah i could. I could probably give bravo or you know although those of you out there like it. Don't don't take my word. I'm sure you might get rid of. Espn or right or something. But there are certain channels that i just. I can't pay attention to your. It's not my thing and i understand. It is things for other people. But one thing i wish they would do is i will share with. Let you pick what you want and just pay by channel pay by channel. Yes that's what the kind of streaming services have done. They have taken out cable in. Yes and and you although with the streaming services. You got a lot of stuff there. Because i mean honestly between netflix hulu amazon prime. Cbs streaming disney plus missing a few in there. But if there's a specific show you want you have to subscribe to each of these mandalorian for example. Yeah i mean you have to go. Cvs streaming or a disney. Plus you have to have to have now. I did find a little shortcut for that though. If you have amazon prime you can watch through there but you still have to pay the subscription for correct but there are a lot of issues with its stalling and hesitating or delay not today. Today was terrible for a disney. I'm sure because delorean mandalorian came out of the a specific character coming back into play universe yet. They might. Television was like yeah. It's not working a really bad. This this weekend has been even on i. Even my netflix's stalled out a couple of times last night. I'm like come on kidding me. But because everybody's home. Yes why shirt by the way. Thank you doors fan from way. Back when six the mid sixties to early seventies they were just morrison died in seventy two. I believe here. Yeah one of my favorite songs by them though piece rock. oh mine morrison hotel. I blame jamie for that. Because he's the one that oh that just rocked that song. That's one of my favorites in guitar. Riff on that is just fantastic. Yes good good call on that. Has that's one of my favorites a little more obscure than the other ones. But if you've heard it you know your absolutely wrong for sure. Speaking of great things to do it or winner of the week right so so those of you have been with us from from any time back you know. Sometimes we'll revisit a winner of the week because something is added to the story. I think we did that last episode we did. We did that with a girl. Yes dave grohl and Oh i forgot her name the the drummer girl your old. Yeah i wish i could remember. I don't have those notes in front of me. That's okay so this was. This could have been not that long ago. Six seven episodes. Maybe we talked about a girl who who's their family's house burned down and she lost her baseball car collapse. I do remember this and the fire department area fire department. One of the people there they gave. He gave his collection to the fire department to give to her. So it was kind of like a transaction between them and he gave his twenty-five thousand cards to her right. His collection to her is amazing since then. Oh no so. The story starts. It's been two months since reese oester. Burg's house burned to the ground. So and then. We told the story that long story short. She lost her baseball card collection. This guy donated his cards of twenty five thousand cards. So since then tops. The leading baseball card maker in the country hurt the story and sent quite the care package. Really fourteen boxes. Totaling five hundred and twenty six pounds arrived at the shaver lake. Cal fire station which had started the baseball card drive in. That's where the donations were arriving. So five hundred. Twenty six pounds of cards arrived at the fire station for this girl. Re-sale yeah and that it's a fairly long story if i'll have the link in the show notes if you want to read the whole thing but but it tops came in said all of these cards so once the baseball card dry became bigger than reese grayson emmett. Those are her siblings. Okay plan b quickly emerged even though even if they wanted to keep them all. They didn't have room for all these baseball cards. The oester berg's are living in a one thousand square foot family cabin until their houses rebuilt. I don't know if that's going to be big enough for gum the gum. Well they don't have the gum anymore. I miss those days. Okay aging myself. Those have you collect cards now Yeah these have gum in the pack and it was all powdery. Dust off the cards and you. Yeah if you bought ten patch just have your mouth just full of gum. Yeah i i remember those days. Sorry to interrupt the no. That's okay and again. i'll date myself more. I was a big baseball collector. I was a kid but that the internet didn't exist. Then right so if you wanted cards to complete your collection you had to keep buying or wait for one of those card shows. Come through which might have been twice a year right. Yeah so that was yeah. That's by ten packs. Thirteen fourteen packs trying to get one card. It'd be like no no no. Yeah that was that was. That was a strong. I don't need another darrell strawberry. Yes some you just get the same ones over and over again and then you're like you like you know. Yeah how many rusty stars you know in in a deck. So so long okay. So let's get back to the store so the donations kept arriving. Stacks of cards kept growing and growing. Just the other day shahnaz divert arrived at the fire station. Two boxes upon boxes of cards again. He now has a forty foot storage container. That's full of cards. We've been blessed. He said that's the girl's father. So reese the girl specifically wanted to pay it forward motivated by the outpouring of kindness coming. Her way res enter family started a project. Call cards for reese. She wants to send baseball cards to other kids. Who are going through a tough time particularly kids in the hospital in two thousand seventeen on a heart condition and was hospitalized. Another potentially traumatizing events. She's trying to turn into good on her website. Cards from reese dot org. There's a page to request cards to be sent to kids fighting cancer. When i was in the hospital. People gave me things that made me happy. She said so. I want to give them things that make them happy. So when you think about the statement from a nine year old especially during a year. That's been extra crummy to her and her family. It's easier to find some good in the world so great story again. This girl lost hurts collection. Got twenty five thousand to start with but now has a whole. Yeah thousand sq four. Forty foot storage container filled with baseball cards and now she wants to give them to other kids who are sick in the hospital. Great so thanks for the following res oester berg you are definitely our winner of the week done. Yes it is. That is how winning done i like. Oh so so folks. We're going to talk to debate today about assertiveness and a lot of things might come to your mind. When i say that and i i want to make sure it's okay. Is it okay if we talk about assertiveness. I'm doing that sarcastically. Because that's that's one of the things we're going to get into is is that if i and let's start out and a lot of this just before we get into it. A lot of this information is taken from the assertiveness workbook. How to express your ideas in. Stand up for yourself at work in in relationships. I know it's a long title. This a great book that i that i referred to allot one working with clients so let me. Let me run some scenarios by you and see if you feel like this fits with you. When does something offensive or inconsiderate. And then you apologize. You say. I'm sorry right when asked what you prefer. You'll be the one who says. I don't mind or let everybody else decide. Just kind of go go with the yeah go with the flow no matter what never never getting exactly what you want. Because you don't want to like have a conflict you don't ruffle feathers arriver stuff. Twos are there times when your inner voice tells you that you should speak up. But you just can't bring yourself to say anything because you don't want to cause trouble or conflict when you fail at something you just accept that it just wasn't meant to be rather than learning from it and giving it another try a lot of people rationalize they'll say. Oh well it just wasn't meant not meant for me because a lot of people will say that just about success in general they'll say yeah these some some some people really successful just wasn't meant to be for me. You know if you have a really hard time saying no to anything anyone ask of you even if it really puts you out or has a negative effect on you. I call these people please. And especially when. I'm working with clients. I would say to them you have to set boundaries because i know people that will drop everything if a friend calls and they'll be there in an instant to help them now. I'm not saying that in another itself is a bad thing. But let's say that you had something planned to with your kids or your spouse and you had to cancel those plans right because you felt like this friend needed you more balanced way that balances probably a good word to to do it. But but if you often will say no to your own needs and put other people first. That's a flag. That's a warning flag again. That's one keeps kind of follows. In that vein. You'd rather keep others happy than risk inconvenient inconveniencing them or knowing them and that you believe your are less than there's wow. Yeah you know this time. This covidien timeline. That that were in are they're trying to do the best. They can to help one another so when you tell you know they want to be there but then they have to take that step back and remember that that circle of exposure. You know you have to try to limit that as much as possible so i have a client from way. Back when of course. I'm always careful because of privacy issues but in general this client would do everything for friends family. As far as he was very good as far as projects and physical projects like electrical work on home improvement. Type thing. Sure to be honest. His house was falling apart but he spent so much time. Doing everybody else's daddy sacrifice his own needs right. That's not healthy. No you don't speak directly. You beat around the bush. You're all about the alright. Well i suppose that to be true. Maybe this kind of all goes together. You hesitate when you talk reluctant to get to the point or make anyone that you're confident in your opinion and this goes back to my intro when you start your sentences with phrases such as would you mind if i or if it's okay with you it just shows that you're asking for the the approval of others if you have a lack of confidence in what you have to say you speak quietly and often tail off towards the end of sense but to get its lack of confidence and what you're saying even if you know even something that you have to say is important or might be valuable is counted. And that's where your spouse when you're communicating with your spouse or what have you and you have to have something to say you make sure that they hear every word don't trade often start and then the yelled at for mumbling right well and and honestly this is something in if my wife's listening she'll probably because i probably saved her i i'm not kidding. May maybe at least four or five times a week. I'm like. I'm sorry. I can't hear what you're saying right and not because i'm trying to be a deck but i just i wanted. I wanted to unicating an. She doesn't do it intentionally. She'll be talking and face the other way. And i won't be able to hear and just i'm sorry. Wait wait for me to come in there. So i make sure i hear you right. Well then yes if you fall into relationships rather than actively deciding to be on them and you'll let your partner dictate the speed at which things move so these. These are all of if any of those things that i just went through. Apply to you you might. You might be a passive person. Now i say that carefully. Because i think there's nothing wrong with being passive in general the issue the the problem arises. When you're you're passive at your own expense you don't get what you need from from from either your family your partner other people friends even job i. I'm sure that that anybody who's worked in corporate america. Sometimes you gotta push to get where you want to be. Sometimes you got to say. Hey i you know. I'm worth i wanna raise because i'm worth this because i do a good job moe i dare to say most people wouldn't they don't want to have that conversation confident to do it and they think well i'm just going to say no and they might. What's that's the worst thing. They can't say exactly that that's the big thing. That's that's the worst thing that can happen. Yeah but you know that you want we're We're talking about learning from these types of things so if the answer is no the question should be why is it. No so you can dig a bit deeper and understand because then you can find out. Is there something wrong. Is there something that you're not aware of right. You could improve upon and or learn from the reason why it's knows because of abc so you work on a. b. and c. and d. and i know a lot of people's fear fears. Well if i asked for this they're going to think i'm asking for too much and i might get fired or something right. Get real quick. Dave allen ellen's check. Hey good again. Ellen's weekly listener. Yes so. I'm glad he checked in. Yes fan thanks. Alan hope you had a good thanksgiving. Also as usual the i know you're listening to our podcast. Allen was making tacos last week during our nutrition. those are good allen. Thanksgiving was good too though. So these things apply if these things apply to you you're gonna be passive but you're passive to a fault and you're not getting your own needs met that then you have to do something about that. So we're gonna talk about how to be more assertive okay. So therefore styles. And i am. I'm going to back up a little bit and talk about that. The the four four categories that you could fall into passive people passive people feel like they have no control over others and because they give in to avoid conflict. They feel like they have no control over themselves. Aggressive people are the opposite. They know they have control over themselves but they believe they should be able to control others. They typically do this intimidation in the short term often works and the long term people do their best to avoid aggressors. Yeah yeah the the long way around or yes yeah when when they see the aggressor like i don't want to deal with this guy or girl or whatever it is stage right. I'm done yup the passive aggressive people. They have control over themselves. They want to control others but they don't want to pay the price of direct contact or confrontation so they will do things in a passive way to what's i'm trying to do. Good word for it to to effect to the other person okay negatively yes so. They play games game players though they'll passive aggressive. We all know that that you do things that are aggressive. But not in a in a very slight way or a very underhanded way In for those of you who who have ever dealt with a passive aggressive person. That's probably the most frustrating one. Because it's it's crappy. It really is so so those are three. And then we fall to assertiveness. Which is what we're covering today. Research shows that being assertive is that perfect. Goldilocks balance of just right. And actually we talked about the goldilocks principle way. Back one of our podcast remember. Yup and the goldilocks principle is the principle that you wanna. You wanna be something. Just right and matt use the term earlier balance. You want to have the right balance. Just the right balance of aggressiveness and piss passiveness passivity. Ten make you assertive okay. So nobody ever tells you what sort of really means. And when i say assertive most people think oh they think of that aggressive person. That's just going to bowl you over. And just demand what they want. And it's not really assert of just as just about being direct and we're gonna talk about that in in full here as we go on so the book. I referenced in the beginning. Were a lot of this. Information comes from the author's randi patterson he's a professor of psychology psychiatry at the university of british columbia. He said the thief the key thing to keep in mind as you are in charge of your behavior. Others are in charge of their behavior. And just thinking about that statement for a minute. Because i highlighted. Because that's a really powerful one. You're only in charge of your own behavior. Everyone else in charge of their own behavior. So when you try to change someone else's behavior unless they want that to change. It's probably not going to happen right. So spend your energy on yourself and changing your own behavior and that includes being more assertive as far as what you need and want so when we behave assertively we're able to acknowledge our own thoughts and wishes honestly without the expectation of anything in return. Even though that's what our goal is. That's not why we're doing we're doing we want or we need something. And if we can express that more directly and more forcefully without being over without being aggressive then you're more likely to get what you want or what you need because you made it clear. The definition of assertive having or show in a confident and forceful personality. Yep so really. This is just asking for what you need or what you want and doesn't mean it's always going to happen but there's no guessing then if you're in a relationship and you've never talked to your partner about what you want or need. Well then chances are you might not be getting it because you haven't expressed it right and this goes back to the it's the whole joke and if in any relationship that oh you're supposed to be able to read my mind that doesn't happen you know if i could. I would be a fantastic power to have right now. I'd be it'd be great. I'll shave my head and become a professor x. Let's go i. I'd be you know i'd be very important. I'm very have many leather bound book and my apartment smells rich mahogany. But you didn't know. I was thinking that no so so being assertive means expressing what you need and what you want again. That always doesn't come out that way but if you're expressing it that then you can't blame anybody else 'cause because honestly this is probably happened a lot of people before they haven't asked for something and then later on they talked to a person or a boss or family member. They're like well. Why didn't you say anything. That's not a problem at all. And now i'll use a race for an example if you go three or four years and you don't get a raise and you never ask for one. Sometimes they're not just. I mean in an ideal world they should recognize performance and reward you for but that doesn't always happen it does. Sometimes it takes some assertiveness to say. Hey i'm worth more than what paying and oftentimes people have done this. They've delayed it when they ask their boss or their their manager says. Oh you're you're right. You deserve this and you could have had it years ago right. I don't know so the keyword and all of this right now choice. When you're being passive you forget that you have a choice but you always do when you comply with just what everybody wants. That's a decision you're making and when you comply all the time you're never going to get what you need or want so passive people think i have to do what they want and that that's not true. The problem is the people assume the consequences of saying no is going to be a problem. Somehow right that if i say no to them they won't be my friend by say no to my partner. We're gonna have a fight. I say no to my boss. I'm gonna get fired right. And these are a relative examples there are certain situations where of course you would say at work. You're going to do what your manager wants most the time. Because that's what's what's your job is reasonable request right and saying the word no and then having the confidence to back up. Why won't the answer is no and then assert yourself into say into the equation saying this is a b and c. The reason why. I said now or you know what not today but i'll get to it and this is why absolutely so so based on that the barriers that prevent us from being more assertive are in our own heads it has nothing to do with our environment or other people in the quote from forget his name rick the quote from randi patterson is we willingly obey imaginary rules that dictate what we are and are not allowed to do it feels tremendously liberating to realize that the standards we set for ourselves are not carved in stone. They do not appear in the criminal code. So so that's the whole point of holding yourself to different standards or different values and he said it's liberating to realize the standards are in your own head. They're not set by anyone else correct. You're setting your own standards. Yeah so folks. We're gonna continue on this. We're going to continue talking about assertiveness and how you can become more assertive. That will be next episode. 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The Sunday Read: 'In the Line of Fire'

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The Sunday Read: 'In the Line of Fire'

"My name is Jamie low. I'm a frequent contributor to the New York Times magazine. I am in my home state of California. The sprawl of more than five hundred California wildfires, surged relentless March flames, which is once again on fire. California has suffered a devastating week more of the state burning this week ohno. Wildfire season. And it's impossible for me not to think about the story I rode in two thousand seventeen about women who are imprisoned and fighting the state's wildfires on the front lines. And specifically about a woman who died fighting a fire in Malibu. Named Sam Jones. The incarcerated women who fight California's wildfires? Written by Jamie Low. Read by January voy. Shawna Lynn Jones climbed from the back of a red truck with La County fire printed on its side. Ten more women piled out after her at a spot on the border of a hill and Malibu in southern California. They could see flames in the vicinity of Mulholland highway from a fire that had been burning for about an hour. Jones and her crew wore helmets and yellow nomex fire retardant suits. Yellow. handkerchiefs covered their mouths and next. Each woman carried fifty pounds of equipment in her backpack gloves, flares food full water bottles safety, and medical gear and an emergency shelter. In case they were surrounded by flames. As the second saw Jones was one of two women who carried a chainsaw with her. She was also one of California's two, hundred fifty or so female inmate firefighters. Jones worked side by side with Jessica or Nellis the Second Bucker who collected whatever would jones cut down. Together, they were responsible for setting the line which meant clearing potential fuel from six foot wide stretch of ground between whatever was burning and the land they were trying to protect. If they did their job, right a fire might be contained. But any number of things could quickly go wrong a slight wind shift the fall of burning tree. And the fire would jump the break. This is what I get for wishing for live flames. Jones said to Ornelas on the truck ride. It was just after three am on February twenty, fifth two, thousand sixteen when Malibu Thirteen three the twelve woman crew Jones belong to arrived at the Mulholland fire ahead of any aerial support. Firefly trucks. The inmates including men roughly four thousand prisoners fight wildfires alongside civilian firefighters throughout California immediately went to work. They operated in Hook line formation moving in order of rank, which was determined by task and ability. Fire captains divide the line into the cutting section and the scraping section. The I saw or hook leads second saw next. The POLANSKI's nicknamed for their tool type shovel follow. The. Macleod's also named for their hand tool rake the scorched remains. Mulholland was Jones's first fire. As second saw, she was promoted the previous week. It took only four months for captains to notice her after she began training and she quickly rose from the back of the hook line where all inmates start to the front. This part of southern. California inland from the Pacific Coast highway is full of ravines and dry brush. Season after season, it's protected. Lands are prone to landslides, flash floods, and wildfires. The women's scrambled over a slope that was full of loose soil and rocks which made digging the containment line, a trench of sorts even more challenging. It was very steep taekwondo brown a member of the crew who was there told me. The fire was jumping. As the crew moved toward the flames tools in hand the firefighters kept a distance of ten feet between each other and called out conditions. Ornelas could tell that Jones was struggling with the weight of her chainsaw as they hiked the slope. I was pushing her she was sliding down or analysis. It was just too heavy for her. She wasn't used to the weight. With every step they took forward, it felt as if they were slipping at least one step back. By seven thirty, a M, a little more than a third of the fire was considered contained. Crew, thirteen three had done its job. The fire didn't jump the line it didn't threaten homes or ranches or coastal properties. I tend the next morning. Jones was dead. She. Was Twenty two. For, three years sentence had less than two months to go. How does your home impact? Your health can virtual reality helped millions suffering from loneliness I'm science journalists, Corey Powell, and I'm Culture Credit Kristen minds are we teamed up with INVESCO Q. and T. brand at the New York terms to create innovation uncovered the world is changing in real time. Often ways we can't predict on innovation uncovered. We share stories about the groundbreaking people and technologies that are reshaping our culture right now listen now wherever you get your podcasts INVESCO. Distributors Inc... California's inmate firefighters choose to take part in the grinding and dangerous work they do. And they get paid for it though not much. They have to pass a fitness test before they can qualify for fire camps. But once they are accepted into a camp, the training they receive, which often lasts as little as three weeks is significantly less than the three year apprenticeship full-time civilian firefighters get. Inmate Labor in California goes back to the mid nineteenth century and the earliest official state prison located on the Watson a two, hundred, sixty, eight township. In eighteen fifty two, it's prisoners slept on deck at night and spent their days buildings San Quentin, the state's first permanent prison. By Nineteen twenty-three California's road crews made up of inmates who worked on highway construction were receiving wages albeit low wages for their labor. During World War. Two. California turned its prisons into factories for the military industry and move inmates into the temporary forestry camps of the Civilian Conservation Corps a public work relief program created during the depression. They built roads, harvested, crops, and repaired infrastructure. In nineteen forty six as part of Governor Earl Warren's prisoner rehabilitation act the state opened Camp Rainbow which under the joint supervision of the State's division of Forestry and the California Department of Corrections later renamed the California Department of Corrections and rehabilitation by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger housed inmates to clear fire. Lines This set up was so cost effective that by Nineteen fifty-nine Governor Edmund. G Brown promised to double the size of the Conservation Camp Program. It now partners with cal fire and the Los Angeles County fire. Department. Any fire you go on statewide whether it be small or large. The inmate hand crews make up anywhere from fifty to eighty percent of the total fire personnel. Says Lieutenant Keith ready the commander who was in charge of a camp where the women train. When they work. California's inmates typically earn between eight cents and ninety five cents an hour. They make office furniture for state employees, state license plates, prison uniforms, anything that any state institution might use. But wages in the forestry program while still wildly low by outside standards are significantly better than the rest. At Malibu? Thirteen. One of three conservation camps that House women, the commander John Scott showed me a printout. Inmate firefighters can make a maximum of two dollars and fifty six cents a day in camp and one dollar an hour when they're fighting fires. Those higher wages recognize the real dangers that inmate firefighters face. In May one man was crushed by a falling tree in Humboldt County. In July another firefighter died within a week after accidentally cutting his leg and federal artery on a chainsaw. But after visiting three camps over a year and a half I could see why inmates would accept the risks. Compared with life among the general prison population. The conservation camps are bastions of civility. They're less violent, an offer more space. They smell of Eucalyptus the ocean? Fresh blooms. They provide barbecue areas for families who visit one camp has a small cabin where relatives can stay with an inmate for up to three days. They have woodworking areas, softball fields, and libraries full of donated mysteries and Romance Novels. I always appreciate the program, an inmate amber sap told me. She noted how the quality of time served as so much better than that in most correctional facilities. You see it on the women's faces on the staff's faces. Still when they're at work, the inmates look like chain gangs without the chains. Especially when out in Malibu or the average annual household income is two, hundred, thirty, eight, thousand dollars. The pay is ridiculous. Sonia Edwards thirty five. told me during a break from clearing a fire road. There are some days we are worn down to the core she said. And this isn't that different from slave conditions we need to get paid more for what we do. Edwards makes about five hundred dollars a year in camp plus whatever she earns while on the fire line, which might add up to a few hundred dollars in a month. The pay for full time civilian firefighter starts about forty thousand dollars. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine in a study funded by the Open Society Institute five prominent economists argued for basic worker rights including minimum wages for inmates. Those standards have not been widely embraced however. David Fatty the director of the ACLU. Prison project who opposes all forms of prison Labour told me I think one important question to ask is if these people are safe to be out and about and carrying axes and chainsaws. Maybe, they didn't need to be imprisoned in the first place. CDC Are says that the firefighter program is intended to serve as rehabilitation for the inmates. Yet, they're being trained to work in a field. They will probably have trouble finding a job in when they get out. Los Angeles County fire won't hire felons and CD CR doesn't offer any formal help two inmates who want firefighting jobs when they're released. This institutional disinterest makes more sense when inmate firefighters who are on call continuously are considered as a state resource. The Conservation Camp Program Saves California taxpayers approximately one hundred million dollars a year according to CD. CR. Several states including Arizona Nevada Wyoming and Georgia employ prisoners to fight fires but none of them rely heavily on its inmate population as California does. In the fall of twenty fourteen as the state's courts were taking up the issue of overcrowded prisons. The Office of California's attorney general argued against shrinking the number of inmates. Doing. So it claimed would severely impact fire camp participation. A dangerous outcome while California is in the middle of a difficult fire season and severe drought. In Two Thousand Fifteen Governor Jerry Brown told a local CBS affiliate it's very important when we can quantify that manpower utilize it. After five years that drought is over? Thanks to a much-needed rainy season this year that produced the rare super bloom. Vast thick patches of. Magenta and purple blossoms among the Lime Green grasses. And yet at still worry about this year in particular. The. Last time a drought ended in two, thousand ten, the following fire season was even more extreme than the previous one. Rain caused more grass to grow in places that ordinarily wouldn't and when summer temperatures regularly top one hundred degrees that grass dries out and becomes kindling. In addition, an estimated one, hundred, two, million trees in California have been killed by the Bark Beetles since twenty ten, the insect, which is the size of a rice grain has been attacking Pines and cedars leaving behind dry would husks and a heightened risk of large severe wildfires. The twenty ten fire season was bad. This season could be catastrophic. A total of more than five thousand fires have burned four, hundred, sixty, thousand acres already. Faced with the prospect of state, Inflames California continues to depend on its inmate firefighters as a tenuous and all but invisible line of defense. I Lost Count Marquis Jones, a firefighter arrested for first degree burglary. told me with a shake of her head when I asked her how many fires she had been on over the previous year. I don't know how many fires there were last season but all through last season. The, fire season typically runs from mid May through November. She recalled her first fire last year going into Napa Valley as residents were evacuating. The town was burned over cars were blackened. She wondered what she had gotten herself into. Despite her fear and strained nerves she cut the containment line for ten hours almost until dawn. The heavy labor and the danger create a bond among the crew members. I can say coming from the streets when you're with your fire crew that's your family Edwards said. Of the thirty or so women I met most were serving prison terms because of drug or alcohol related crimes, nonviolent convictions that the state classifies as low level. All. had been drawn to the forestry camps by the relative freedom and the chance to make more money than they could doing other prison jobs. But. Many said the real education they were getting had to do with making and maintaining relationships. It helps you to work as a sister crew Marquette said. You learn how to work with them. You know because really all you have is each other when you're on a fire. Some inmates say they would work the fire line for free for the experience, the training, the gratification of doing something useful. It feels good Marquette said when you see kids with signs saying, thank you for saving my house. Thank you for saving my dog. If. Feels good that you saved. Somebody's home. You know. Some people they look down on us because we're inmates. Marquette who is twenty-seven already had two strikes against her when she was arrested. I was just under the influence on Meth and just felt like doing something. When you're into that drug, you really just go with the flow. You feel like you're invincible can't no. On Stop You you're just the king or the Queen of the world. I got under the influence and started walking down the street saw a house with the window open and decided to go in. Through the window. Now, her young boys, Bernard and unique both under ten live with her older sister. They haven't been able to visit, but marquette goes to evening prayer meetings in one of the common spaces at Rainbow. I go Sunday Monday Tuesday and Thursday she said, and I'm starting to go Friday to. But it's not really church. It's MOMS in prayer. We pray for our kids. There are three all female caps, the one at Rainbow Between San Diego and Los Angeles also known as conservation. camp. Number. Two. The one at Malibu or conservation camp number thirteen. And one at Puerto La Cruz just east of Temecula called conservation camp number. Fourteen. Their grounds could pass for spiritual retreats. They are please Ofcom as much as training grounds. One in made incarcerated in Malibu, for example, leads Yoga and meditation sessions. Vegetable Gardens are tended by inmates after work hours. There were the remnants of boxing camp that complement the weightlifting facility. Malibu is kissed with salt air and shade. Rainbow and port are hiking paradise's. All the inmates eat civilian food cooked by other inmates. rebuy steak and Lobster, and sometimes all you can eat shrimp. The benefits of greater freedom and superior food also come with a physical cost. Your feet are hot and tired, and they have a pulse of their own Marquette said. You feel like you can't breathe but you're breathing. Your face feels like it's about to melt off, but it's there. It's just you have to be aware of everything. Otherwise she added. You're not going to survive. Sean Lynn Jones could take apart a chainsaw and put it back together effortlessly. She could fix the machine when it kicked back sharpened the chain when it dulled clean the clutch cover. The calluses on her hands came from working the saw it an extension of her body. You. Don't get to be second saw without knowing your machine intimately and taking your job seriously. The night of the Mulholland Fire Jones was frustrated according to Jessica Ornelas. It was taking a long time for the civilian crews to get the hoses up the ravine. So she ran down the rocky hillside and brought them up herself. Jones didn't grow up with dreams of being a firefighter. She wanted to be a police officer. The first photo, her mom Diana Baya's showed me was of a cocky young girl of around five or six dressed up for career day. Jones is wearing navy blue head to toe and. She has a death grip on a plastic baton and holds a leash tethered to the neck of stuffed goofy. Doll. She always wanted to be a canine handler and here she was dressed like one by as said. We were sitting in a dark wood-paneled Bar, the trap, a dusty oasis on the fringes of Lancaster a town already on the fringes of southern California in the high desert of the antelope. Valley. Before Jones was incarcerated, this was her home. Her mom managed the bar. Much of her extended family was in a hard rock band called seconds. Two centuries also known as sick that played the back room. Jones was smart but as a teenager, she couldn't sit still in class. Eventually. She dropped out of high school to work at a mortuary owned by a boyfriend's family the job ended when the relationship did. She had a string of boyfriends, most of them bad and in May twenty fourteen, she was caught sitting in a car next to one of them and a large quantity of crystal methamphetamine. He. Had A lengthy record and didn't want to be locked up for life. He told Jones. He would bail her out if she took responsibility for the drugs. Jones was convicted of possession with attempt to distribute methamphetamine and marijuana possession. The boyfriend kept his promise and paid the thousand dollars bail and Jones was sentenced to three years probation. She was trapped in Lancaster. No one can get out of here. It's like we're all stuck. Rosa Garcia Jones's friend said. Jones helped her mom run the traps, Karaoke nights screaming expletives of denial whenever someone saying like a virgin and she made some extra money by drawing on patrons flat build snap back baseball caps. She sold merchandise at her friends shows hustled pool bummed cigarettes wrote poetry smoked weed and skateboarded sometimes all night. In some pictures from sick shows, her leggings are ripped and our eyeliner is winged to perfection and she's standing victoriously over a riotous crowd. I could always count on Shawna being right there. Right. In front of me centerstage every single time Jay page dion, the lead singer of sick said. She had no problem getting the mosh pits and knocking down all the guys. Jones was fearless. Her facebook photos show her sticking her tongue out aggressively flashing a middle finger at a friend's cellphone camera. There are shots of her belly red and raw from being slapped. Within a year of the methamphetamine arrest, Jones was back in trouble she had violated parole at least three times stealing puppy food stealing groceries, selling marijuana missing court dates before a warrant was issued for her arrest. Jones decided to turn herself in. on June second two, thousand, fifteen, she wrote on her facebook page. I can only handle so much bad stuff at one time and I have reached my quota for the year so it can stop now. I, want some good stuff to happen soon. the trap hosting a party. Rosa Garcia got the dollar Taco guy to bring his truck to the parking lot. We basically ordered one million Tacos so that she would remember what real food tastes like Garcia said. Dionne made her a personalized t shirt with our nickname baby hooker scrawled on it which everyone signed, and by the next day she was ready. Jones hugged her mom who was crying and skated off on her long board toward the Lancaster courthouse to turn herself in. Jones admitted to the court that she failed to comply with her probation conditions and she was sentenced to three years. She heard about the forestry program during one of the two, hundred, thirty, eight days she spent in the county jail. The women all spoke of it as a prison Shangrila. lobster shrimp. Ocean. Breezes. Six months after leaving the county jail. Jones was transferred to Malibu. By November Two Thousand Fifteen Jones was calling her mom weekly to tell her about the training about the exhaustion after sandbagging a hillside to prevent flooding and about the optional weekend hikes, she always went on through the canyons of Malibu. She had found something in this sort of work something she liked. It reminded her of a not too distant past. In High School, she camped out with friends on Shaver Lake in the Sierra. Nevada, mountains plunged into cold lakes from rocky cliffs and Boogie Board at the beach. She edge to renew with their boyfriends C. C. Plus S J on the side of a rusted between Picnic Table. Her enthusiasm was so great. It convinced her mother that Jones's luck was changing. By as was already planning her daughter's welcome home party. On the morning of the Mulholland Fire February twenty fifth an unknown number flashed on Diana Baya's cell phone around ten am. It flashed again and again and again. By as kept declining the call until it seemed like something, she shouldn't ignore. There's been an accident. A man told her when she answered. By as immediately hysterical asked, where is my daughter? He paused and said. I can't tell you because she's an inmate. An hour later when the Lancaster Sheriff's office called with numbers and instructions by his scrawled as much information as she could on her bedroom mirror using eyeliner. The Sheriff told her that Jones was not admitted under her birth name because of her incarcerated status. He told by that when she got to the UCLA hospital, she should ask for Hawaii Ex. She arrived to find her daughter lying unconscious on a Gurney. The first thing I did when I opened that curtain and I saw her. I grabbed her right there. I grabbed her and I. Said You promised me biased told me. She just called me two days before and she said, Mama, I'm coming home in six weeks. So frigging told her you promised me. s hardly recognized daughter. Her face was swollen. Her eyes were taped shut so that they wouldn't dry out. Her head had been shaved because the doctors were trying to drain a blood clot. Is crawled onto the Gurney next to her daughter. But she remained unresponsive. The two police officers standing guard at the door to Jones's room tried to explain what happened. Captains and representatives from CD CR all try to explain. But by as only cry and hold her daughter's hand. She never left Jones. A, nurse had to force her to eat a snack of orange juice and Graham crackers. Later she found out from the intake administrator what had happened on the ravine in Malibu. The Earth Above Jones began giving way. At first, it was just pebbles. Then the first chainsaw shouted rock. But Jones couldn't hear over the noise of machine. The large stone fell suddenly one hundred feet and in an instant struck her head. She was knocked out on her feet. A fire captain strapped her into a stretcher and a helicopter there to drop fire retardant descended to retrieve the limp body. There are three ways to get to Malibu thirteen. From the Pacific Coast highway from the circuitous back roads northeast of Malibu or by way of CD. CR? Transport. When new trainees arrive in a white bus, they see no fences. They see duty inmates wearing orange jumpsuits half on white t shirts on top and fire rated boots laced loosely. They see open dorm barracks where they will sleep with their crew in a line as if they could roll out of bed and firefight within minutes of an alarm, which they will do sometimes multiple nights in a row. The crews are always at work even when they're not. They see visitors because CDC are is proud of the program. And when they look at the communal board on the L. A. County fire side of the camp they see a dedicated plaque and several articles about Jones's death. Some people wrote notes to Jones now faded behind plexiglass. The. Malibu community raised four thousand dollars for the Shawna Lynn Jones Fund. On the CD CR side of camp, there is another memorial, five tree stumps and arraigned stick with a carved message. Like the wind felt but not seen my sweet Shauna, may you are I p? At graduation last year of inmate firefighters at the California Institution for women near Chino where all female inmate firefighters are trained, the mood was celebratory almost exultant. One speaker brought up Jones and asked to great applause that her life and her death not go in vain. He said. Gave her life for this program. An La county made sure she did not leave without full dress. When I visited Rainbow I asked cal fire captain named Danny Ramirez why the state wouldn't increase the incentive to join the program by paying even a little bit more. Have a ready answer. which brought up another puzzling aspect of the program. Why doesn't the state get more out of its investment in training these women by hiring them when they're released. Or the very least by creating a pathway to employment. Ramirez said the idea to keep tags on the girls had come up before some of these girls leave very interested in what they got exposed to say, Oh, I never knew this exists. How do I keep on doing this? And it's hard when they get out there because they do have a lot of the same walls that they were facing before. But a program to keep them guided and keep them on that path and keep them focused on something instead of getting back into their old ways are old friends would be awesome. Jones's body was driven from the coroner's department to Eternal Valley Memorial Park and mortuary located between Lancaster and Los. Angeles. A fire company crew was on every overpass standing on their trucks saluting in full uniform as Jones's body was driven underneath. Outside her funeral rows of Sheriff's deputies stood at attention right hands at their brows. To fire trucks were parked at the entrance with their ladders raised crossed in tribute to her. Shanna Lynn Jones. Lived as an inmate and died and honored firefighter. Buyers received a customary American flag folded into a tight triangle. Someone told her. She says that in Shawna's four months as a firefighter. She made about one thousand dollars. This was recorded by autumn. is an APP you can download to listen to lots of audio stories from publishers such as the, New, York Times, the New Yorker, Vanity Fair, and the Atlantic. Would you pay one hundred dollars for a six pack of beer could you as climate change disrupts global agriculture approaching a future where everyday items including beer will be far more expensive of course, beer will be the least of our problems. The economic consequences of Climate Change will make twenty twenty looks small in comparison. That's why fat tire Amber Ale is. Now America's first national carbon-neutral defined beer. It's a good start, but it's not enough learn more and take action to solve climate change at drink sustainably dot com.

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Three Trump advisers: Atlantic story losing punch unless sources go public with allegations

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Three Trump advisers: Atlantic story losing punch unless sources go public with allegations

"This show is sponsored by facebook. FACEBOOK has taken steps to better secure their platforms. What's next their support of updated Internet regulations to set new standards for data portability privacy and elections learn more at about dot F., B. Dot com slash regulation. And good evening. Hope you had a good holiday even in the best of times the Tuesday after Labor Day is supposed to be when we all get a bit more serious summer of unofficially ends were back in school presidential campaigns ramp-up. We remember nine eleven and the sacrifices that Americans volunteered to make to keep us all safe this Tuesday in what certainly are not the best of times those themes have taken on that much more. Weight and to a extent or converging tonight the president is campaigning in North Carolina state this already starting mail in voting and his expecting possibly hundreds of thousands and take advantage of it precisely because of the krona virus. But looking at the president's rally tonight, you wouldn't know that it is as you can see a potential virus super spreader event. He's also back to belittling people for wearing masks in addition the president who sideline Dr Anthony. Factory and other experts is reportedly now enamored with a new task force member someone with no training in the field who advocates reportedly protecting only the most vulnerable people although otherwise letting the virus spread and spread, it has nearly one hundred ninety thousand Americans. Have now died with projection the more than four hundred thousand lives will be lost by the end of the year according to one widely cited forecast and though new cases have declined. From their peak there are still averaging just shy of forty thousand new cases a day that is twice as high as after the last big dip as of tonight more than six point three, million Americans have tested positive for covert and just for perspective this weekend marked exactly six months since Kellyanne Conway. No doctor herself. But the president's departing senior adviser expressed contempt for reporter who asked what the administration was doing to keep the virus contained. It is being contained and do you not think as being contained in the doctor? When she said that there were two hundred and fifteen cases in the country. Again as of tonight, it's more than six point three million number of pediatric cases has increased sixteen percent over two weeks according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, and Children's Hospital Association, universities and colleges as you know, have been getting hit especially hard and again as he has tonight in Winston Salem, the president has been Lahar holding largely unprotected mass gatherings several times a week. He's also been saying the quiet part, the openly political and self interested part out loud after having a about having a vaccine by election day. We're going to have is a vaccine very soon maybe even before a very special date, you know what data I'm talking about. Yeah. He's openly signaling that he's more interested in a vaccine to keep himself an office in anything else which may have something to do with the pledge signed today by nine leading bio pharmaceutical companies suggesting they will not seek approval emergencies authorization for any new vaccine. Until after their safety and efficacy is proven in phase three trials, we just learned this evening Astra Zeneca suspended one of those trials because of an unexplained illness in one of the volunteers, which only underscores how far from normal the president's remarks have been as was his advocacy of course of hydro hydroxy chloroquine as was pushing the FDA commissioner to. Hype, a treatment convalescent plasma in a way that the FDA commissioner would later have to apologize for because he was so inaccurate as was praising the lakes that dermstore demon sperm doctor or meeting the Oval Office with the mypillow Guy Pushing Quack your that the FDA has rejected. So yeah those standard dangling potentially lifesaving vaccine in front of Americans while all been meeting, he's trying to get their votes with it is pretty much par for the course. So ignoring the member of his task force with four decades of experience in the field who told PBS Judy Woodruff this today about having a vaccine by election day. I think that's unlikely I. Mean the only way you can see that scenario come true is that there are so many infections in the clinical trial sites that you get a efficacy answer sooner than you would have projected like I said, it's not impossible judy but it's unlikely that we'll have a definitive answer at that time more likely by the end of the year. which again, the president has openly suggesting is too late for him personally politically and keep him honest doesn't the fact that he's saying this cynical part out loud also speak to how he views the people that he's sworn to serve how he views all of us. It's as though he's confessing to seeing them as suckers, which also is not normal but also not surprising suckers and losers is how the president repeatedly referred to American servicemembers buried here at a cemetery in France, he declined to visit two years ago. Suckers is what he reportedly called American men and women many poor and minorities who served in Vietnam. Losers is what he reportedly call the captured and killed Jeffrey Goldberg in the Atlantic published the first account in this citing four sources with direct knowledge what the president said since then numerous other outlets including CNN the Associated Press The Washington Post and yes news have converted confirmed many pieces of Goldberg's reporting. Why someone doubt the president said, these things is frankly astonishing. He proudly stated while running for President that John McCain was a loser and not a war hero also saying he liked people who aren't captured and held as prisoners. There's been total silence from any current or former military commanders reported to trump no denials at trump never said these things now from General Kelly and General Mattis fire national security. Adviser John Bolton. Is said that he never heard the president's saying those things. But quote I'm not saying he didn't say them later in the day or another time. As for the troops while there are plenty in North Carolina Fort Bragg. Is there. So it was Camp Lejeune and Cherry Point pointed Pope Air Force base among others some of those troops or their families are likely at the president's event. Tonight some may have lost loved ones to Cova during combat or suicide whether or not. They're willing to believe that the man at the podium has disparage our troops disparage those who served in sacrificing disparage men and women who are just like them may determine the outcome of the election in North Carolina, and perhaps it may determine the outcome of the election nationwide. I tonight, the president's mass gathering CNN's chief medical correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta. Sanjay I mean given all. We know about the virus, how it spreads is there any way to justify holding a campaign events? Like this I mean putting isn't it putting people's lives potentially at risk? I mean we are dealing with the highly contagious virus. The one thing that we're told is this virus likes the jump. Host to host and when you look at these images of the rallies I mean this is the sort of adventure you're trying to avoid. You know we we've gotten a hold of the task force recommendations for the various states including North Carolina, and if you look at the numbers overall north, Carolina would be considered in the red zone and that's based on the number of people. One hundred thousand. Contracted the virus, there is a mask mandate in place if you're if you can't stay six feet away from somebody obviously not a lot of people wearing masks there and you're not supposed to have any kind of event that's that's larger than fifty people in North Carolina right now, and that comes from the data's. Trying to say look, here's the viral spread. Here's what we think is the level of concern, and that's how they arrive at these numbers. So you know you look at events like this frankly anytime you're aggregating people together. That's the risk. The virus likes the jump from host does that's that's what could potentially happen situations like this. In terms the consequences there is the very real possibility that every time the president does this, it could be a super spreader event that impacts. Has Ripple Effects Not in that community. But from far and wide where people go back to their homes, even accurate affect we did not go to this event. Absolutely people think of super spreaders as being individuals, but they are what you said. Anderson. The super spreader is the event. It's the sort of the entire event and all the various ingredients that make a super spreader event. So potentially people in an area where the viruses known to spread you go into an area like this. If you're in a group of more than fifty people, there is a much higher likelihood you're going to come in contact with somebody who is carrying the virus again that's. Where those numbers come from, you could then become infected as we know it is not like that you're GonNa have any symptoms for some time a couple of weeks even, and during that time, you could potentially spread the virus people come to these events from all over the place, and then they go back to their homes to their communities wherever and that's that's the problem here there was a wedding. CNN. Reported on this wedding that took place in Maine there were sixty five people at this reception. Subsequent because of that reception, there were one hundred, forty, seven people I believe who became infected and three people died and they in various places around the state even some outside the state so that that's that's the real concern and I should point out Anderson because every time we talk about this people say, well, what about the protests and things like that? Yes anytime you aggregate. especially. If they're not wearing masks. That, you run the risk of having these super spreader type events. The we're in the middle of a pandemic we still are, and this is a very contagious virus that we're still dealing with that hasn't changed now. Sandra. Appreciate it. We're going to talk. About the breaking vaccine news because there's a lot of that tonight when I get more perspective now in the president's rallying where he's also going this week and that is Michigan the state's Governor Gretchen Whitmer joins me now governor thanks for being with us. So president trump, would we see the the event You know he's holding tonight he's holding campaign of any your state this Thursday as you see, the picture say from Florida and also in North Carolina with no social distancing many not wearing masks how does How do you avoid this happening in Michigan Kanye? Well it's distressing to say the least you know we have been following the science here in Michigan we have a mask mandate. We've got gathering rules to ensure that we don't have super spreader events, and yet we anticipate that he'll be descending on on the state and perhaps encouraging people to come mask close and come together and and the ways that we've seen them happening across the country and I think this is very distressing. We've pushed our curve down. We've saved thousands of lives. We've gotten people back to work and events like this. Threaten all that sacrifice that we've made in and I would love to see the leader of. Our country embrace masks and encourage people to do the right thing. This is an economic crisis. This is a public health crisis. We gotta get serious about it and focus on getting this right or are you I mean I don't how does it work in in in in your state? Do does do you communicate with the trump campaign or anyone of the White House about visit like this I know you said you have a mass mandate. I know in Michigan if you're outdoors and it's not possible stay six feet away you have the mask mandate is there anything to enforce a mask man I mean to a mandated these campaign events? Well the fact of the matter is we've been educating our public people understand the science they get it. The vast majority of people in the state are doing the right thing I. Don't doubt that there will be people who wanNA show up at that event and will take the lead from the man himself and dropped their guard and could subject themselves to covid nineteen but the facts the matters we've got. Joe Biden coming into town tomorrow I know that they are scrupulously following the science. They want to keep their supporters than the general public's faith and whether you're going to one event on Wednesday or the other on Thursday I'm GonNa do everything. I can to keep the people of this state safe whether they're they're supportive of all the measures we've taken or not my job soup protect the people this state. What happens the next time I president trump wants to come to Michigan holding event he is the president you know. There's no nothing to stop somebody. Can other people hold huge events like this. Let. Me Just give you a quick example. There's a state legislator here in Michigan. Apparently, according to reports attended an anti mask event mask. And Got Covid nineteen himself meant that the state Senate couldn't even meet until a certain amount of time had passed and so this is still very real. It is still very present and my safety this Sylvia president across the country we still six months and don't have a national strategy around testing or p. p. e. or mask-wearing, and that's why it's on the nation's. Governors like my friend, Mike DeWine just to the south and Ohio and and me and all the rest of us to lead the way here, and that's why we gotta keep following the science and doing what we need to do to protect our people. Until we have a president who's GONNA come up with a national strategy. How do you see the the race in Michigan? Why I've always said the race to the road to the White House goes right through the State of Michigan that I believe this race is tightening up we've seen pulling to that effect and I'm not surprised by it. I think that's precisely why you see both of the candidates here in the state this weekend why would anticipate seeing them many more times between now and Election Day Michigan is a state of voters who are are hurting where you need to have leadership who is focused on getting us back to. Work and keeping US safe in the process and so I think the big question people are going to ask is, are you better off today than you were four years ago and for the working class in this state and across the Country Bay answer is unequivocally now and I think that's why this is a year where we're GONNA make a big change but no one should take Michigan for granted I know how hard working and how hard Joe Biden income while Harrison, working Governor Women Brigitte your time. Thank you. Thank you just ahead Sanjay Gupta's back along with researcher William Heseltine to talk about the president's vaccine claims the facts and the breaking news that one big vaccine trial is now on hold next decorated and badly wounded. Iraq War Veterans Center Tammy Duckworth joins me talking about the many reports now on the president's. Showing contempt for the troops. It's easy to feel overwhelmed these days you're definitely not alone in that. 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Dot Com slash AC three, sixty, the power is in your hands you can make today your new beginning. President's spoke tonight about the growing number of new reports starting with Jeffrey, Goldberg's account in the Atlantic of his contempt for the troops. They make this stuff up. They make it up they make stuff. It's called this information. They give a phony deal out. They did it two days ago with the military there's nobody loves the military more than me. We've new reporting just add tonight on how rattle the president is by the Atlantic piece I though we're joined by Senator Tammy Duckworth Democrat of Illinois who lost both legs in combat in Iraq when our Blackhawk helicopter was hit by RPG fire, she signed onto open letter alone dozens of other current and former members and military including lawmakers like herself. A calls for presidential policy while noting that none would suffice Senator Duckworth. So you saw this open and it says in part the very notion of the president doing something for someone he'll never meet of committing to a cause that outlives him is beyond his comprehension. I'm astonished that people would doubt the quotes attributed to the president in the Atlantic article and buy CNN and Associated Press and Washington Post and even Fox News now I mean he labels people, losers and suckers all the time he's disparaged McCain his generals constantly. Even if you didn't address issues with what was said in the Atlantic article, he has said many other things that have really undermine the morale of our military men and women and not to mention things that he's done personally to include not showing up at that would were to Abella Woods a ceremony himself when other members of his own administration where there not to mention the fact that he has pardoned special operators who committed war crimes. So even if you set aside Atlantic article which, of course, nobody disbelieves because he is his rate consistent with WHO Donald Trump is. He's done a number of are the things that are very consistent that shows that he is not fit to be commander in chief right butter with those special operators. Charts war-crimes the people testifying against them were this many of the service members serving under them or with them it wasn't as if this was some politically correct group of. Attorneys just suing a special operator. This was people in the person's own unit. Often I wanna read part of Jeffrey Goldberg's article in the Atlantic says in a two thousand, eighteen planning meeting for such an event trump asks his staff not to include wounded veterans on grounds. Spectators would feel uncomfortable in the presence of amputees quote nobody wants to see that he said quote again I mean the president denied reporting the article. Do you think he can even remotely comprehend what you and other wounded veterans have have been through I mean somebody who obviously has gone to great lengths not to serve and you know The very idea of service. Of, that sort is. I mean it's like speaking a foreign language to him. It is like a foreign language to him and as as solely said Captain Sullen Burger. The man does not recognize courage because he's a coward he's never done anything that was a service in something greater than himself. He is a transactional narcissistic egotistical human being who thinks only about himself first and foremost and what it's what is in it for him. So he can never understand the sacrifices of the men and women and their families who serve nation's military and why they are willing to serve a cause greater than themselves because he's never done that any never will. And and I. I'm always stunned by you know on the one hand he says, no one's been better for the military cares more about the military and but at the same token I mean again, he has publicly constantly said. That his generals just want to go to war. He's he loved his generals until he actually met those generals and they started advising him and he then came to not like any of them and now disparage General Mattis disparage his Kelly McMaster. The president again just took a swipe at the late senator, John McCain yesterday and referred to himself as saying he would probably be a better warrior than anybody I. If if you went to war I mean, this is you know. Maybe you know he, he wore a uniform at a at a military academy that was a high school that he got went to because he was a problem student I mean the idea that you know he used bone spurs to avoid the you know active duty in Vietnam. It's wake him. Cadet Bone Spurs. He's the highest rank he reached in the military was cadet and he used bone spurs ally about bone spurs in order to draft dodge. And frankly, he's not fit to be commander in chief of our nation's military for yet for another minute and why he despaired those journals is because for the first time had people who would actually stand up to him and he loves them until he a stand up to him and say, no sir. That's what you're supposed to do. As a military leader. You put the welfare and the well being of your troops ahead of everything including your own self you watch out for them you put them first because some day you may have to ask the. which to ask them to go and cross the line of departure, engage our nation's enemies, and in order to be able to do that, you must value them above all else care for them above all else. This is something this president has never done, and by the way what he said about he's been better for the troops over veterans in the president yet is yet another in his series of raid long lies he's made his said as president of the United States. He has not been better for the troops than any other president in fact, many of the. Things that he's taking credit for were passed by Congress and actually championed by senators McCain and Akaka to real veterans to real war heroes. The person said over the weekend that soldiers quote in love with him and that quote the top people in the Pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy end quote I mean the idea that its soldiers who wanna fight all the wars and you know the people who are serving endless wars the people who are taking multiple tour after tour after tour. They are not the ones making the decisions. It is the president making the decisions. It's ironic that you know he's considering you likes to boast about beefing up military hardware and selling arms overseas. And yet, it's suddenly now it's the military industrial? Complex. Right and remember this is the president who who. Picked it lobbyists where defense. Company really on to be his secretary of defense. It is is a lobbyist. Right Raytheon many great things that keep our troops safe. The bottom line he is the one who appointed A. Defence Industry lobbyist to be his secretary of defense at the same time by the way, military times just had an. Just an last week that showed that for the first time, the majority of the troops of their ass today to vote would not vote for Donald Trump. Senator Duckworth appreciate your time. Thank you. Coming next former presidential candidate Howard Dean the story is personal for him as well. He lost a brother in Vietnam we'll be right back. To. The White House got some breaking news in the fallout from this Atlantic article that quoted multiple sources saint president trump's urge Americans who died in wars calling them losers and suckers. Jim Moody. Learning tonight about what trump advisors or? Tonight about the Atlantic. Story. Yeah Anderson what these advisers are saying and I talked to three different trump campaign advisors this evening they're saying that in less some of these sources that are mentioned in the Atlantic story you know the story that was very damaging. The president initially describing him as using a crude terms to talk about American war dead over in France. And Twenty eighteen that unless these sources come forward that there's not going to be much impact that the story is going to lose some of its punch I talked to one adviser earlier this evening, who said you know if these sources were going to come forward they would have done. So by now and another adviser said, you know if you had somebody like retired general John Kelly retired general James Mattis, not saying that their sources to in the story but if Somebody like that a marquee name like that were to come out and speak out against the president then it would have some impact of but at this point they believe the president is is going to be able to weather the storm unless of course, there's some other shoe to drop I I will say Anderson the recognition inside trump world that this was damaging to the president of one adviser likened this Atlantic story to the access Hollywood video that came out in two thousand sixteen. Early Interstate. There was also reporting that the president of was rattled by by what came out in the Atlantic. Absolutely and and that's what we're hearing from our sources that you know the president was definitely stressed out about this and and saw this as potentially damaging among a veterans and military voters at as a key voting bloc. For the president, we see the president talking to those kinds of voters, all the time and when I was at the press conference the Labor Day press conference with the president. Yesterday I mean, you could see the disgust written all over his face He obviously wasn't a mood to lash out over the story. Now that is where the president gets into trouble as we saw yesterday, he he kind of overstepped. In his disgust. Being registered about that Atlantic story and went onto trashes generals over at the Pentagon saying they're only interested. In starting wars, so they can sell. Defense contractors can sell bombs and planes and so on But at this point when you talk to people inside trump world, yes they can see that initially this story was damaging they feel as though that these generals if there the sources if there indeed the sources behind this story that they essentially need to put up or shut up or else they don't see. Very much lasting damage from this Atlantic Story Anderson. We'll see Jim Acosta, appreciate it. Thanks very much joining me now for DNC chairman former Democratic presidential candidate former Vermont governor Howard Dean also seen emplo correspondent Abbie Philip Governor Dean I wanna read something that you tweeted after the piece was published wrote my brother was captured in Laos in September of Nineteen, seventy, four and. By the North Vietnamese on December fourteenth nineteen. Seventy four F YOU DONALD TRUMP. For those new your brother Charlie was American civilians captured killed in Laos as a POW during the the war is obviously very personal for you. Were you surprised though by the reports of what this president is alleged to have said, given all the public comments he he has made on record. I wasn't surprised. Let me just say I almost never use bad language on twitter but. Like I came to appreciate what was going on over there. I went to Laos in around two thousand and spent a week with a joint task force full counting sifting sides of mountains for teeth, dog tags of people who've American soldiers crashed into the mountains and were obliterated. This wasn't just about my brother. It was also about all the American soldiers of every color and race and so forth and so on who Were over there trying to trying to find the remains of these people and for trump this bit all over them just made me furious just disgusted me and I'm pretty disgusted at trump. Anyway this was the buzzers low as you can possibly go those people sacrificed for America trump does nothing but collect tax payers money for his own Benefit Avenue Mukasa was just saying that people in some people trump advisors people in trump world. are trying to push the idea that this story would loot will lose impact unless some of the sources go public I. I actually think you know you could look at General Kelly Silence Journal Madison's silence as honorable people caught between not wanting to. Publicly, divulge things that the president said to them one on one. And and yet not wanting to publicly denies something he did say. Yeah there silence actually speaks volumes. It'd probably explains a lot of white president trump is so angry about this story is that he knows that there are a lot of people out there who are not coming to his defense so that really is getting his skin but you know while the president's advisors might think that people coming on the record is the only thing that will make the story stick I'm not sure that's the case I think the reason they believe this isn't going to stick is because in the past president, trump has said things just like this on. The record, he said it about John McCain and then he was elected president of the United States He got through Charlottesville the Access Hollywood tape the Jim just mentioned he was elected president of the United States of the lesson that he takes away and that his advisors takeaway is that nothing will penetrate that but the fact that the president is rattled by this I it really does tell you that there is a fear somewhere in there that this could hurt him enough and he might actually lose and there's really nothing Anderson that he fears more than losing. Gordon, do you believe it? It really endangers the president mean to obvious point. I went back just today at when he when Tra made those comments during the campaign about John, McCain for the first time saying he's not a war hero I like people who don't get captured in people were writing. Oh, he's lost. He's you know this is devastating for him. It had seen didn't seem to have any impact on it. This is worse and the reason it's worse is that there are literally millions of people who have been in the position of some of the people he was talking about and a call soldiers were giving their lives in the United States of America losers. Think, how many veterans there are in this country I think what they went through and what they sacrificed, but hasn't he weekend trust in I mean all the reporting institutions, all the you know I mean hasn't he been effective in basically inoculating himself just by saying Oh you know this is all just fake this misinformation this is what they do. I don't think so. My theory about all this, the reason Joe I thought Bernie Sanders is going to be the nominee after his very strong start the reason I think the Democratic voters voted for Joe Biden is they're tired of the circus and they just want somebody to not be polarizing they want somebody to just be normal human being again and they're sick of trump's ridiculous self. Self being in love with himself as they just can't stand it anymore and when you take that out on the group of people that's probably sacrificed were from the United States of America than any other group of people. You're a loser and that is what trump is. Trump is a loser and he's GonNa lose the only way trump wins the cheat, which is busy trying to do by reading the post office and all that kind of stuff I don't think it's GonNa work. I do a lot of work in eastern Europe, the European democracies, and what we tell people is the only way you can beat cheating which goes on a fair amount and in former Soviet republics is just to have a huge turnout. That's what we're. GonNa do is have a huge turnout and I don't think trump's cheating is going to overcome that. Abby is also remarkable. The president is suddenly now discussing the military industrial complex and saying that you know his generals just. You know they they WANNA. Wage wars in order to boost profits and defense manufacturing companies. His Secretary of defense is a lobbyist former lobbyist for Raytheon. The idea that this is something that president trump is concerned about I mean he talks about weapons sales to Saudi Arabia, and they do backflips in order to sell weapons to a whole variety of. Yeah I mean sometimes when things don't seem to make sense, it's because they really don't make any sense his comments about the military wanting to. A- by bombs and weapons because they want to go to they want to go to foreign wars. All the time that he's trying to stop don't jive with his own comments even today just tonight at his rally in North Carolina he was bragging in a military state about building up the military about securing billions of dollars in funding for those very same planes and bombs a the president was lashing out in a moment of frustration and anger. But the way that he did it to try to almost draw a wedge between a military brass and rank and file is counterproductive to him. It only reinforces. The narrative that the president is at war with the the very government of the United. States itself that can't be helpful to head. I think his advisors know that and that's why you saw the chief of staff Mark Meadows trying to walk this back somehow trying to claim that somehow the president is concerned about the military industrial complex that by all accounts, he's been pretty supportive of for the last four years in Governor Gina. The prisoners North Carolina tonight was reported this year you know considered a swing state possibly the there a lot of states reportedly in play that the president wanted two thousand sixteen. Do. You think he can keep them states like North Carolina. Georgia. Florida. Too. Early to tell I'm pretty optimistic you know I I saw shocking number of the other day which showed that he was ahead by one point Biden was ahead by one point Texas. We, now find today. Forty three to forty three for the United States, Senate in Alaska. So. The Republicans are in a lot of trouble and I think the reason they're in trouble is because they have put loyalty trump over loyalty to their country just as trumped me criticized the veterans until said, they were losers I can't imagine somebody saying something like that. There will be hard. Hard I got a whole bunch of on twitter saying, Oh we don't really believe those stories I've been back. Checked by the Atlantic, they'd call my grandmother. If they had any doubts, she's been dead for about thirty five years I mean these these guys do not fill around with fact checking. So yeah, those stories are absolutely true and I think there's a percentage of trump followers who were going to say enough is enough I can't do it anymore governor Gina appreciate it Phillip as well. Thank you so much. Joe Biden San was seen CNN's Jake Tapper for an exclusive interview. Later, this week dome is the lead with Jake Tapper. That's Thursday four PM Eastern for the Biden. Interview up next, we have breaking news as the US. Death. Toll Purchase one, hundred, ninety, thousand, a major drug manufacturers put a hold on its vaccine trials the reason when we continue. Have you ever felt like you're running to the bathroom more than you used to a lot of people think it's just a sign of aging, but it may not be I was in my forties working a corporate job and taking good care of myself I? Didn't understand why I needed to go. So often it turns out frequent bathroom trips may be a symptom of overactive bladder or Oh, a be a treatable medical condition we. 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Woodruff. Unlikely. I mean the only way you can see that scenario come true is that there are so infections in the clinical trial sites that you get a efficacy answer sooner than you would've projected. It's not impossible judy, but it's unlikely that we'll have a definitive answer at that time more likely by the end of the year. The Sunshine. Gupta's back with US and want to welcome William Haseltine the former fresher at Harvard School of Public Health author of Kobe back to school guide Sunday Greek doctor Fao champion the end of the year more realistic than Election Day for vaccine because frankly even end of the year is incredibly accelerated schedule F-. Yeah I mean that that's the thing is even all things considered that would be an accelerated schedule I. Think the point that Dr FAO CI was making here was that ultimately. Have two groups of people you're going to have people who received the vaccine you're gonNA. Have people who received the Placebo and you've got to show that there's a significant difference between the two groups. So let's just say there's ten thousand people in each group. And if the rate of infection is one per ten thousand roughly, which is what it is in this country per day. Within a few days maybe you'd have three infections in the placebo group and none in the vaccinated group would that be enough to say this thing definitively works I mean that that's the sort of numbers that are going to sort of have to be dealing with if what I was saying we need. He said this to me before is that if suddenly you had a significant number of infections in the placebo group and none in the vaccinated group that maybe that would be enough of a signal, but he doesn't anticipate that happening and that's just one of the reasons why it could take a lot longer to actually get this vaccine. Authorized and a source in the White House specifically mentioned you by name according to Washington Post saying that they would share data with you about the vaccine ahead of time do you think that's a good idea? Well, I mean I know you're GONNA turn down here and some. Good idea. I'd probably call Bill Hazeltine and ask him what he thought. You know for sure. But I think that the idea that they're wanting to have more transparency with this and if they're saying, Hey, look journalists. Come in people on the outside come in. New England. Journal of Medicine editor come in and look at this. I mean I think it does You know give me some more confidence that that that transparency would be there. So I would certainly take that opportunity and report on it and I think it's a pandemic everybody in the world needs to know about. This data professor Haseltine, nine vaccine makers. Now issued a joint pledge today vowing not to cut safety corners in order to get a vaccine out faster is that reassuring to you the other night you said, you'd absolutely not get a vaccine if it was ready in November does it does this pledge influence your decision on receiving vaccine when it's ready units this fall Let me say a couple of things I. The news that there was a serious adverse reaction that halted the trial of one of the most promising vaccines. When we've heard a lot about is exactly why you have to take things carefully with vaccine's they're not toys. If you have one out of a thousand adverse reactions, you give the vaccine to a billion people. You have a million people with those reactions. This isn't the only vaccine has had serious adverse reactions one of them there were four out of thirty it had severe. Adverse reactions. That's one step worse. One that started stop this whole trial. A rush to a vaccine without do caution is a very dangerous thing. What about the pledge I read that pledge carefully and I see a major hedge in that? Is what they didn't say. You didn't see the CEO of these major pharmaceutical companies saying we will assure the public that the vaccine that we deliver you is as safe as any vaccine we have ever made. They. Didn't say that. They didn't use their own credibility a said we will assure you. That we will follow what the FDA or some similar organization tells us. That's a big big difference. They're not guaranteeing their quality assurance. They're telling you to trust the FDA. Well, we've seen they certain. Cases in which you made out with the FDA is doing. So that was a major hedge. So the short answer to your question is no, it doesn't change my mind, Sandra. What about the professor has Latinos Point and also I mean the fact is the FDA has been trying to figure out the best way to describe it but at the very least. The good work that they have done in the past suddenly now gets called into question or. Their word moving forward gets called into question same with the CDC because of what's happened over the last couple of months and things like the CDC the. Kowtowing to president trump on on guidelines and and the FDA you know the head of the FDA had to come out and apologize in reverse himself on something he claimed under pressure from trump. Yeah that's really it's very worrisome. No question about it and I can't even believe. I. Have to say that because you know these are some institutions that. For a long time we've had a lot of respect for the and the FDA and and to be fair there's a lot of people within these institutions who are doing incredible work still and I talked to them on a regular basis and they're incredibly frustrated as well. But I think to your point, you can't take these things in a bubble the FDA creating a emergency use authorization fried Roxie chloroquine was a mistake I mean they rescinded it but they did do it in the first place and that obviously gives a lot of people pause they exaggerated as you pointed out the. Data around convalescent serum and had to be called out on that. So that was a concern as well, and then the CDC most recently coming out and saying no need to test symptomatic people. We I think I think what we do right now independence review. This material is more important than ever for that very reason Anderson. I are team according to the American Academy pediatrics more than half a million kids in the US have been diagnosed with Kobe nineteen sixteen percent increase. Now in cases reporting the last two weeks, what do you expect the numbers to be two weeks from now? There'll be higher and they'll be still higher many weeks from now as well as kids go back to school. 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We Visit The Set of 'Captain Marvel' And Talk With Samuel L Jackson, Ben Mendelsohn & Jonathan Schwartz

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We Visit The Set of 'Captain Marvel' And Talk With Samuel L Jackson, Ben Mendelsohn & Jonathan Schwartz

"Hello, everyone and welcome to slash home. Daily. For Tuesday, January eighth two thousand eighteen this is slash film editor in chief Peter Surata. And until spike gassed, I'm gonna take you to the set of marvel studios latest film, captain marvel or in a play some of the interviews that I along with other journalists conducted onset, those interviews include Samuel Jackson who reprises role as Nick fury. Ben Mendelsohn who plays a scroll in the new film, executive producer Jonathan Schwartz and booklets start things off with us. Samuel Jackson who I'm not sure if you guys know this, but he I interviewed Sam a bunch of different times. And he kinda get get some joy from his no fucks giving attitude as you'll see here. He really likes to challenge. Reporters with dismissive responses. I think he gets kind of a kick out of it. And it's kind of fun my favorite part of this interview is one of the journalists onset. I think it was Perry from collider asks Sam if you could talk a little bit about what it feel what it means to him to play a big supporting role in the first female lead marvel superhero film in Sam you'll see gives this kind of dismissive response. And you'll see this is kind of the game that Sam plays because Perry kind of you know, goes to bat and challenges him. And I think we actually get the best enter out of that confrontation. I I love talking to Sam Jackson, and I think you'll enjoy this interview. Let's see none of these mother fuckers. I. Sorry to see her disintegration skits with issue. The back in action. You have. Guessing Dotson stuff on your face. Get any injuries tank. Turn to join the conduct tribe and this initiation rite. Pretty cool. I am I'm been spanked. Anybody yet with the hazing is pretty pretty tough. It's okay. I played Nick fury. Did you ever think you'd get to explore his backstory you are in this one? And what is that like? Have you got enjoyed the sport the characters origins. Yeah. Always always. Before figuring out stuff that people don't know might not understand or. The. I guess the evolution of. Nick fury from desk jockey to director she'd. Kind of funny from over you just learned about the character in this film. It sounds like he's kind of in a he doesn't know his place in the world that like the Cold War is over have reached the Holi knows plays in the okay? Job right place in the world is defined out where the next enemies coming from. And like most saying human beings with the job like that you figure the next enemy is some other country somewhere else. All the sudden, he discovers something that we speculate about now, we know it's will he knows it's true that there are other beings in the universe. Not just us. Next problem will be convincing everybody else. That's true. What what is aspect of Nick this, Nick, that's the most different from your the one that we've? Thirty years and not as jaded about the world yet hadn't he hadn't grown into his cynicism. How you described fury's relationship with Carol? Like most people, you know, you meet somebody you theoretically, some is that they're from outer space. I guess like most of us the first thing you think about is the difference. And she looks like yes. But she also showed up with these things that can shape shift so issue what she appears to be is she a safe individual issue dangerous. All those things come to mind spending time with her he discovers things about her that, you know, lead him to believe that you know, she is something other than what she is presented itself to be or even those. So during the course of interacting with her. They do become compatriots. They have a shared sense of humor. He's open to. The difference. What she may be what you may not be. And he's definitely willing to help her explore what she needs to find out to find out who she is. And how she came to be speaking relationships L. I. Anybody who might my life policies. No good. Okay. That's gonna ask was. I think. What's the most enjoyable part of playing Nick actress station his life post to when we we've always seen. So is the thing you found most enjoyable about discovering him. Most enjoyable thing about him. I guess like I said he's he's not burdened by the weight of the world the way is and he had come to resent the powers that be in terms of how they view world. And how they've you what he does and the seriousness of the situation. Totally unaware of right now. So. His next challenge is convincing them that. You know, we do need to enlist people who have extraordinary gifts that can help us defend not just the country, but the world. When you were first cast knit vary like a groundbreaking moment. And there was some controversy with certain people being mad about nuclear being changed through an African American. Well, I mean, people were you know, definitely some people were upset because they were used to the old school Nick theory. But now ten years on and you pretty much owned the role for all time. So you have more chances to needed. One thing. I don't know when I when I was in. I was in golden apple one day, and I saw the ultimate cover. That's, you know, a realized that was my image. So a call my manager of a mission Miami conference two guys doing didn't tell me where he trying to surprise me. What are you talking about? And they made a call and to the marble people at that time, and they said, well, like says inside the comic book character Knicks characters talking to wanted characters. So if they make a movie about would you want to play make sure says Samuel Jackson? Yes. And Mark Miller being Mark Miller. Did that? And he did the same thing Kingsman. So we have a pretty good relationship. These. You take job, and you hope you can inhabit character specific way that that creates excitement for people were sitting there watching it. And that there's something about that character memorable that they can take away or you know, if it's a real fan, something new wanna emulate or that you have actually done something that makes that character more real and more enjoyable, and you do want to see more of him. So, you know, you hold that little pieces of what's going on in terms of especially historic process, and where he's going, and and what he's trying to accomplish in terms of making sure that he is the patriot that he says he is and we know him to be and that he has a greater sense of the world safety and humanity. In terms of all people are equal. And as important and every culture needs to be defended, not just hours. And I think you know, I tried to find a way to make him that citizen of the world and not just the United States. Not. They get resumes. A lot of character. Nick is be a fan favorite of the few. They missed me a little bit. Didn't like the last six sent me on a road trip. And then let me come home. Popularity. What do I all their popular a lot of other movies? Sorta earn a reputation for being able to embodies Pacific characters in specific ways. And I do a lot of movies that are. Kind of gun movies action because I love them when I was growing up in having to do now like perfect for me. So I tend to sometimes just choose movies because they're movies. I would have gone to see when I was kid when I was young as really no other reason that snakes on the plane. But it was fun. Tran- have fun. I mean, work work work for me acting always been fun. And I think because I was a stutterer and was no halfway shot. When I was a kid being able to be on stage when I first discovered it through my aunt who's performing our teacher in Chattanooga. She always was in charge of two plays because she was performing arts patron, North Carolina ANT and see never had enough boys. And I lived in house weather, so whenever she did something I had to do it and the discovery of that, and you know, people pinching, Chico. God you. Made you go. Wow. Okay. That's something I can do. And I feel very good about myself when I do it. So I started at a very young as I got away from it for a while. But I still performed because I was in marching band, very good margin concert. And then when I got to college I rediscovered theater, if I was in high school, they wouldn't let me do all the places you get let somebody else do it. Nobody else's volunteering I'm here, but they go out and recruit people anyway. So as part and parcel of that the edge relation the the joy of me being Nassar, really wonderful way to make believe I was only child. So I spent a lot of time reading and being in my own head exploring worlds the way I wanted to blow them or exploring stories explore. Explore. And my grandfather told me stories, and he would make me tell him stories. So we shared made up stories on the porch at night, and we did that. So and listen a lot of radio. So I learned to use my voice and inflection whispering. Vocalist vocalisations, you know, come to me easily now because I listen to people like Andy Griffith in the shadow saga Preston. Just crazy. Miss so come into work for me is a real joy. I don't care about the five o'clock. Call get up at five o'clock. When I'm not working. I get up at five o'clock. Anyway, the golf course. And so I won't get out of the habit. Again, if I've o'clock. I continue to do that. And this joyous place for me to be become and forget about who. I am what's going on in my house was going on in the world. The and listen to the news every day. So come here and go into a world that has its own rules, and to create a character that doesn't doesn't know anything about any of that is wonderful escape from you know. Helps me helps keep me sane. About what it means to us to be such a big supporting all in the first female lead of Marl Superdome. That means. I would certainly. I hadn't thought of it that way I thought I was stars. I have a daughter, and I have a wife who feels undervalued because she is a black woman. She is in this business, and she's been in this business longer than I have. She was professional actor when she was a kid and doing all this stuff, and she's a specific body type and specific. Skin tone, which is not the preferred skin tone, this business, basically validate the biggest skin star and. Being able to uplift women in a very specific way. I grew up in a house full of women who always made me feel special and made me TOA specific line. I understand a lot about who. They are what they felt because I heard it. I had spurious it every day. How hard the world is women specifically, and I guess as I got older because my world was specific black and white when I grew up I group segregation. So I didn't talk the way because I didn't know any. So I only talked to Blackmon. So I know what their world be was and what it meant. And it wasn't until I got older that I realized that, you know, white women might be is be down as we were a specific way and to work with Brie who has a very political aware sense of self who not afraid to use her platform to. Push female agenda's has been a real joy is my third movie. Idea. Call with us that we went all over the world. And then I did her movie unicorn store, and to be a part of this specific story where she has such an enormous responsibility. Especially in the success. Of the marvel universe. And what it means every time, there's a marvel film and to look at what happened last you would wonder woman. DC almost figured it out with. To know what's going to happen? When this movie does actually hit theaters for women and little girls is going to be amazing. Just because of who she is. And what her understanding of her responsibility to not the male audience, but the female audience does come into this film to be able to be alongside her support her and to give her what she needs to be. The strong character questing for self identity number one. And once he realizes what her power is. And how he wheels it has been a real honor. I won't breathe a succeed in a very real very strongly and. To have the opportunity to come into this particular place where. They actually know how to do this. They figured it out. There's a marble playbook that works. You know? I mean as out of the boxes people think that pamphlet was his part of my plan. Just happened. And this is a marvel movie being made through marvel playbook, and it just happens to be a strong, female character, and it will. Hopefully, incite people the way let panther incited a racially when we saw, you know. So I'm really proud. On this question. What has been your impression of what bring his done with the role terms of the physical demands that it's Intel this is new territory for her physical demand who? See? Think about a year ago restart we're going out and the girl that had did Kong and unicorn it's. With is not this person. She's got like five percent body fat now, and she says to me workout videos. It's crazy work videos. Cbo's the first one she sent me she was lifting. Hundred pounds. He was doing this thing waste look about one hundred pounds last one. She sent me was three fifty. And you know, she does Jenna. She sent me a video for pushing the Jeep up hill. Know, it's it's pretty maidens. So she's a she. Cheese made a distinct transformation that you know. I don't think a lot of people would be willing to do. And it's a huge commitment to do stuff. Like that when I was doing Tarzan with Alexander. Well, he come to work at like four in the morning and go work out, and then he will eat, and then he would do cardio, and then we will start to shoot. And every time they cut somebody was putting awaiting his hand, he was doing curls pushups in a brief brief sort like that, you know, at this point and her development that she can actually do all that stuff. I mean, it's kind of kind of crazy. Cheat. Go go. The surplus Cheol Jalen hill. Going keep going good one right there. That's. Crass killing it. Go go, go go. Right. Thank you. Sharon. Was trying to encourage you to like. No, I have an age limit. With all this. Only only only push my body weight. Don't miss any any other any other ways. No. Gotta go. Yeah. I'm impressed with what? Thank you. Enjoy your stay here today. Thank you. Don't listen, I marvel is new Tory sleep secretive, but their projects in the cast and crew are very tight lipped about their any film in production and before visiting the marvels that you actually get this shield style marvel security experience where they make you sign a bunch of NDA's and take your photo, and the document that all despite being journalist agreeing to an embargo and signing these Indy as a new one on said knows what they can and cannot say or they're very, you know, hesitant to reveal anything it. Sometimes I as talked about in the past on this podcast that can be frustrating when you're trying to interviewing interview someone about a project, and they can't say anything about it other times. It turns hilarious, and as for the case of our talk with Ben Mendelsohn who plays a scrawl, you showed up in full scroll. Makeup any he plays a scar? On the film, the the main antagonist as far as we can tell and the interview was hilarious. Maybe not a lot of information dealt out here. But I think you will enjoy this interview with Ben Mendelsohn completely. Process. Turks takes couple hours. It's not it's not too. It's not too. Few. Okay. So if you tell us the characters name. I'm I'm tell us. I'm the kind of battle commander of the scrawls Tyke, most you-know-who scrolls. A we kind of rule this shit. Mice arrested. The you know, the mob will come again verse of punks. Bicycling? And you know, I mean. Hi guys to to dog. We are the Che's knit. And you know, we we we stand about. I mean, look we could be anyone. Right. You know, like, and we're stronger than the rest of them. You know? I mean, basically, that's it. Yeah. When Malawi women's son to stood, but you know. With scrawls with. Many other questions. The spring of good question. Like, what are the scrolls out for like, what is the what did I ask for? What is their rice on d'etre? Oh, you know, like much to you know, like most people they just want to you know, they just want a place to call their own, and you know, like spelled a chill. I know like, but you know, these are the types getting in the while the time messing with us, you know. Specific comic runs read to sort of understand more about the scrawl. Without wanting to get to, you know, meta with the whole marvel publicity things do have a really good app. So you can you can call on to any of them. No. I started at the stock because I wanted to see us when we was scummy little amphibious conned of like, you know, tad pulse. Come and see how we rose and become reimagined until this point where I could stand the Senate. Scrawl creates. But you know, like, yeah. Yeah. You know, we have a peek at this peak at that. But I can't tell you that without showing you my petty cut. You know, what a man ought to want to show you. I don't want to show you. To show. I guess. Has been deeply embedded in like in disguise for quite a while. Or? He's had look. He's quite active. So yes to switch in and out of some various stuff. So, you know, I'm gonna Hsun we're going to see a loss do his thing. And look the thing about scrawls and changing sheds, and I can say this was some thirty rock wall. Physiologically any scrawl can change shut. It takes practice and. Dare I say talent to to do it. Well, and you know, he's like battle command because he does a well. Have you seen the visuals of the actual transition? Like exactly the process odds. No I've participated in the transition, but I haven't seen what they'll end up doing with it. I think it'll be pretty funky. But you know, but no, I'm not privy to that. I just have to stand only. Character change. Would you go from human form to well? I think picking up on that point. I don't quite know yet how that will manifest. I know we've tried. I mean, like, personality wise. How's how's he, you know, look c the thing about him is we know bicycling who you off for the lost X amount of time. Right. So, you know, you wanna think it's a pretty good carbon copy of what's going on with haha human. You know, I got you behind. So it's kinda like. You know, you might think of it like a chameleon conned of trapdoor spider or one of those spot. Is it just hangs there looking useless? But you know, look like spider. You know what I mean? But now's the U coming you coming. Cowan close on very gentle and very make. That kind of odd. Heavy specific relationship with Carol. Well, they're in the same movie. Banos stealing your. Yeah. Look, I was very, you know, I was very upset with that. Basically, I consider to be a punk. I mean, clearly he's looked at us scrawls. And he's been like, you know, what I want to look more like that. Like that whole chin totally pick my style with the Jin. He's going for the blue hues in Lebanon, full, and no one like you said. Clearly, he's he's scrawling. There's no other word for. Can you better go while it's? Four started hitting Doug down. The war with the Cree what they're punks. I I mean, the Cray filth, and that's toll there is too. I mean, you know, what I I. I mean, I don't know what to say cre-. You know ways, you know? I mean, look we gonna. This is going to be some problems, the woken. I the crate. Crease out scroll has been going on for such a long time. Can you see an end? Yeah. I mean, you know, if they step off. That's good. I don't seem to want to. So would be scrolling. Please tell me you say that. I can tell you that we, you know, would be charged. The opportunity to work with Anna Boden. Ryan Fleck previously on Mississippi. I imagine this has been a completely different experience. I mean is there any DNA shared? Well, not so much between not so much between the projects. But but I think with us there is a continuing conned of day. And I, you know, there's there's a relationship that we've formed on that film, which which kind of carries on, you know, in the nucleus in a lot the same wild. You know, what what would trying to do here is is quite a bit different lot most growling than than gambling. Yeah. But now there is there is yeah. They we got we got we got down isn't nice just having that experience given everything physically giving. Oh, yeah. You look. I mean, I think you know, for me was it was a very easy. Yes. I would have worked with Enron on any number of propositions, but you know, scrawling. It's kind of. I mean, it's awesome. It's very very different. It's very different. You know, what what what we're trying to do is very different. And it feels good feel good out there. What can you say about how your character crosses pads with Carol and not alas? Why did he say? Kissed or well, I can't tell you what lot without, you know, without like, you know, without giving the time what? But it's fair to say that Caroline's pretty good. You know, like I mean, like let me put it in another way, captain marvel is pretty good. You know, Carol. You know, it's like the life of Pablo, you know, life akara like which one which one is she going to she gotta be Carol danvers. She going to be kept him up. Now, she's curved danvers. Then yet, you know, got some stuff that that can be. I mean, you know, what good it getting saw two people. That's that's you know. That's big click. I'll look now. Everything around. But so this has to be the last question. Say you call. The scoop scoop. Right there. She called. Yeah. You go on. Of action like physical action. Like, oh, it's intense luck yet. Yes. You know, a lot of lot of punching kicking. Sprawl wants. So that was Ben Mendelsohn dropping the Mike if you will and nixed up we have our final interview, this is an interview with captain marvel executive producer Jonathan swertz. You probably don't know Jonathan Schwartz. I in walking on the set of captain, mar any marvel movie, you might not even notice him. He's the the smart guy in the corner wearing glasses, but he's really one of the modern architects of the marvel cinematic universe. You might know that producer Kevin fi started out as an assistant to X men. Producer Lauren Shuler Donner and worked began his career in a similar way as an assistant to Feigen on ironman too quickly proved himself valuable in the moved his way up the ladder. He became a producer an associate producer and guardians. Galaxy and executive producer on sequel and kept marvel is his baby this. You can tell that. This guy is the smartest guy in the room. He has inherited Feigen playful tease, and in this interview Schwartz talked for almost fifty minutes. So if you want any information, both captain marvel or the future of the marvel cinematic universe is the Muslim. And and I hope you enjoy it. Missile news Carsley tried to execute. With the moral already. You know stays ready having superpowers in already confiding site increase increase or. Roles. Get her persuaded their Star Wars slip by you care. You're long the special vision to illion plant scrolls. And of course vision. Learn circus cash muscles. Or the data as our laws. Puts her in contact with the younger to either negation fury with together kind of out to stop the scroll lot. And at same time. Get to the roof of Carol. Listen to those movies, tree got lots of questions and stuff. Let's go. I suppose I questioned the gas when I saw the the cost was blocking green not the usual Lou golden in red. So. Spoiler signed legal can be moving. The reading is worth pre increase stock was a little there. Of course, the movie. The cost of. And there's a plot reason personal reason to hurt to why changes does. Expect for is kind of what's comfy setting space versus inserts earth. Space yet. It's it's more or less. Fifty fifty movies starts in space gets to earth relatively quickly. And it goes back space for kind of some of the third act. So it's faith spacer space. There is a big I plot that tying into a lot of our more cosmic goings on. Four of the air force base. Is that before she gives him the space? Yes. So that's kind of Carol's pass doesn't air force pilot. Which takes place before she starts fighting for the creation before she gets an act too. Yeah. I mean, it comes after the space stuff. One of the challenges with kind of subverting that origin structure is you've still got to find a way to let the audience stand that character is. And there's some creative ways. Of course, this movie where we're able to get that part of Carroll story across is linear. It isn't it isn't. I don't wanna get into that too much. Because there's there's a few cool surprises along the way. But yes, no sorry, obviously setting the nineties interest of question like, you know, where she'd been the whole time when did that decision get made? And how that decision get made of win to bring to set this movie before. Funny, really, honest don't know exactly when very early in the developed process, I think we kind of seized on the idea of setting in the nineties as a way to kind of to carve out around space in the cinematic universe and give her a lot of the medical weight and significance to the universe. It's more or less this adventure. That's going to inspire. A lot of what we see in the MC you and kind of being able to see those things in this movie that blossomed and other movies have loss and other movies as one of the big excitements. And then also just the idea of the nineties as a period, which is something I don't think we've been able to explore a lot of it's far enough in the rear view mirror that yeah. The nineties have memories of that era. But I, but I haven't seen represented a lot on film. So being able to play in that same boxes exciting and do things like recreate a blockbuster, which was super fun to walk through. And maybe missed physical media in a way, I didn't expect. At the end of Infinity worth area. Of course, uses the pager Bieber and your symbol. But of course, while it's big big reaction of who is that very exciting for captain marvel raise a couple questions of like, well, why didn't you use the beeper for literally anything like for Tron or the battle of New York and the Elsa where she ban in. What why this incident with us the beeper or those questions be addressed in captain marvel at self will we understand the thinking there or is that something than the vendors for later. I think it's a combination of things I think we'll we will understand over the course of these movies wife, you remix decisions that he does. He's always a mysterious guy always has his own reasons. But hopefully, we can clarify of for the audience thing in the conduct source material that was sort of central to the blueprint that you get from eating for the movie. Yeah. You know, there's a run of comics by Kelly Suda conic that really gets to the core of the character in a way that we thought really? Made us want to translate it to the screen. She really understood Carol and really made her modern in vibrance and cool. In a way that that she wasn't always written s sorry grace quote of all time. And a lot of great artists working with Kelly at that time after stories grade, even Kelvin was amazing and just sort of Representative vision of the character that we felt translate to screen really easily and Kelly's actually been working with us on the movie, and it's been very helpful. With us and shot a cameo the other day, which guys can pick out. But she kind of had a vision for Carol that lead it to her airforce roots in a really cool way. And Lena to the power of the character in the inspirational nature kind of at the core of Carol the super cool. Everything. Kelly was great there. Some of that's based on earth. Some of that's based in space. It's all amazing. I'd say it's much more useful as reference for the character than four plot specifics, which isn't uncommon in these movies. A lot of a lot of sometimes we go and say, we're gonna make a movie about civil war. Even though that's a little bit uptake of that storyline as well. Sometimes it's this group of characters called the gardens, the galaxy seems cool. Let's put them on their adventure. And sometimes it's this is what's cool about this character. There's this issue this this this this issue, and that all kind of becomes the grist for the mill filmmaking. You're talking about the curious Haitians. We're gonna see how what's the percentage of this? This may be new jury origin story. There's a Nick fury Orden story in there. The move is definitely called captain marvel becomes two hander for parts of it. So we sort of wanted to give the audience that kind of Nick fury or stories, but it, and it's all there. Hopefully, in a way that complements carols adventure too. Hers is powers are as as which. Yes. But by the end of this movie will have seen the full powers out of Carol. So that's plight. Strength photon blasts. You know, I think part of what made us excited about the character was that she was such a powerful character in the books and one of the most if not the most powerful character semantic universe and seeing all that brought to bear is one of the big players of the movie. I'm not. Please show. This has on our head is that for a binary part of Carroll. Yes, for sure. And also one of the things we live on the comics was that mohawk. Pops up in that rental of all the little dots on her. Oh, yes. She had a little tracking markers. Yeah. There will be some some visual facts there. The beast their stories in different John rose. Genre is a little bit here. Feels weird calling it a genre. But the Jonah's nineties action movie like if you think about movies, like RoboCop total recall, Terminator two independence day. I think there are common action movie threads, you can tease through those movies. Which are what we're trying to pick up on this movie. I'm hoping we can find some nineties music pepper and nail. Yeah. The nineish nail share was cool one hundred if you got the rock the vote posters, but they're up there. Part of the phone of the movie is finding those little touches that we can. Tickled than start with have more of a soundtrack than a sport. Or I think it's going to be a mix of both. I don't think it's going to be an awesome mix CD number one. But I think it will be fun to try to find those moments where the ninety. Anybody has requests. This page has been doctors. Aben kind of plays the face of the scrolls, the leader of the scrolls. And that's that's Taylor's over the course of the movie he'll shape shift a little bit. So we'll get him in human form as you saw that sizzle it's sort of fun to show off the skills powers and Ben's Rangers and actor because he's very different in all of those parts. It's been super fun to watch. Are you supposed to T L A L O S T L of us? Here scrolls. We hear we, you know, from cops secret invasion is that on your minds or discussed at all. Because I feel like after this movie I was going to be like they're going to every care role. Cinematic you've written that okay is this crawl? That's cool. Right. Yes, we talked about secret invasion. I wouldn't go into this movie saying which one of these heroes scroll because it's kind of Carroll's more or less the first superhero to show up on earth. But are we planting seeds for future movies, always play with the paranoia? Yes. Approaching Jude's character because that character is a huge legacy in the comics funding straighten your balance of making him, cool, but not overwhelming the captain marvel you're coming. You know, I think Ryan Anna and threatening for that really interesting takes on character. You know, it's ju- does play a mentor type character. And I think it's a challenge like you said to make sure that the tea part of that question shines. But I think we've found a way into the character and kind of into their relationship. That's really interesting, and the people aren't what you expect. Can you talk about star force? Yes. There's a curtain branch hours by room. Tempta- was amazing. Atlas kept an atlas play by of Soto. You may recognize it from Anna and Ryan's movies sugar. Which was amazing Jack how the Redmond and Gemma Chan is playing Nerva. Yeah. She's doctor Minerva in the comics. I was trying to remember the name. They're all super cool. They sort of formed this like outerspace seal team six, and there's a lot of amazing action with with all of them together in in kind of early going in the movie. Oh, yeah. I'm so sorry, and and giant hunts whose character correct who's reprise gardens once it's an and rohnert, of course, we'll see as part of that creation early in the movie. We see being soared from the of space shield and some of the other like cosmic. I don't think we have soared in this movie, and this movie kind of takes place before earth is aware of aliens or superheroes or any of that. So it would be pre pre vendors presort pre pre all of that. I'm sorry. It was pretty quick. Other comic for we see emphasize the credence froze. It's really focused on the crease girl war there little elements. There of other stuff and sorta blinking blinking miss moments. But the Korean squirrel conflicts, kind of the heart of the movie, why riots earth part of this creed grow. I think that's a you're gonna have to watch them. Sorry, man. We'll just increase girl warriors, something that goes back centuries. I mean, how do you how does the movie delve into that history and much of it? Do we see and put Ford Expedition, you'll see as much as necessary to get to get more of a moving on her story. It's a conflict. That's within a very real way. Hopefully without overloading the oddest exposition, which we never want to do. But I think the thrust of the movie is to get our characters and the action this precludes the cannon and get a story moving background conflicts that this story is taking place during or. Yeah. I mean, it's been it's it's a an age old conflict that our story picks up a during. Yeah. Speaking of the crease, scroll of war in the comic itself has a clinical elements that are tying into like sort of paranoia investigating people and stuff of with pure superhero lens that e also in the movie. If you're talking about kind of the critic anti superhero act stuff from the comics, not really, there is a paranoia element. That's a little bit different from from what's in that specific storyline. But it's not kind of related to to the anti superhero who could be a scroll. Comic stuff. And I'd say the what I'd say about the crease girl were overall as it's much more of a kind of backdrop and mythological underpinning for the movie than than it is a direct lift of that plot line like civil war was. Gerbil using Colson who has a lot of like future history with decree from TV challenged figure out how that mercury and you just kind of focusing on Colson as he is the great part about it is we just get to focus on him as he is. So we don't need to worry about the stuff. He's going to counter later. There's there's lots of fun parallels. I'm sure, but we get see Colson in his first meeting when the period of as much younger age doesn't where where the cryonic even part of caviar yet put since he's ready hanging up until he meets Carol sort of what looking say about that the movie. Yeah, we're we're meeting Furet a very interesting time in his life. It's kind of been nineties. The Cold War is over the war on terror hasn't begun yet. It's a little bit of a slow period for worldwide, espionage. And I think furious wondering what his place in the world is in a world where he feels maybe a little obsolete and then aliens come down from outer space. Sniffing room. They always are. I wouldn't go into this move expecting a bit hydro plot schools kind of get to be their own thing. But if you if you remember your marvel history there definitely there. Over there on the board. Like, you see supreme intelligence in that version for sure part of the fun of the world is establishing this premature. I don't think you can. I don't think you can do do hollow without. So for the comics looking back at Carol she's had very long convoluted times problematic history. She's also had multiple personas. She's been miss marvel by any word that captain marvel. And then also would be really interesting about her is that she's actually been on the wrong side of history, both civil wars and people like she's not exactly the the shining beacon heroism, some people would imagine her to be. So when you looking at all of that, how do you decide which elements of those to put in the movie? You know, it's the same process. I think we go through with all of our movies, especially origin movies, where we look at what storylines make our characters bounce off each other in the most interesting way would brings out the traits that we want that we want the audience seeing these characters and what what makes us respond to those characters. And how do we get that across the audience, and that always ends up being a mix of a lot of different stuff. I think we wanted to make Carol really inspirational and not inspirational because she was perfect. It's because she was flawed, and there's a lot of great stuff to draw from both in Kelly's who's running. Elsewhere, the comics from that, certainly some some elements of story needed update for modern audience, which they frequently do, and I'm hoping that the audience will be along for the ride for that excited with what we'd if these characters and just real quick follow up on that. Will we anyway, see you dress miss marvel not Kamal Khan that shout Carolines to be miss marvel. No. No. Cost you decrease raining costumers. Sorry. Sorry. Now, this feels a little bit with cosmic set of things we know James kind of kind of overseeing that in a way if he had all involved in this. You know, I think he's read the script. You know? He's talked to him out a little bit it takes place before a lot of what he's doing happen. So, you know, I'm sure the scrolls be fun to play with some point. But I think we've really been able to do our own thing. But we love when James because gives them for sure. Ryan, dealing directly through more and more. What are they? All of these movies start from a place of looking at the character financial makes them cool and bring it to the screen, and what's great about Annan Ryan's movies is so character focused, they become these amazing character pieces, and they had a take on Carol and take on the movie that brought to light and a great way. And so now, they're really seeking their teeth not just into the performances and not just into the character. But at the pre-bus in the action and everything else that goes into making one of these movies, and they have amazing character instincts amazing skills getting performances out of actors and and really incredible action instincts and commercial instincts. So they're they're kind of bring it also table, and we're we're lucky to have. Obviously gonna be discussed. Female lead mobile movie. His that was it was something about Carol. The made the character of the kind of was gonna take on that mental and be this kind of free invention of not just to your bills that like fussed female mobile, proudly this movie sure, I think if you're gonna put that on anybody shoulders carols in the strongest. She was always a character that excited us from the complex in all of the mythology and all the characters we have to draw from she always kept rising to the top propounded super cool or stories super cool the world she gets to take part in for cool. And that that's sort of all what goes into the calculus of who's the next movie going to be. Using any of that sort of DA djing CD technology that we've seen in other marvel movies for for Sanford Clark or anybody else in the cast. We will we'll we'll be gauging Sam a little bit would be the Asian Clark a little bit, thankfully, they both Clark. And Sam look amazing. Which is which is big help for us. But yeah, there will be a little bit of that. It's a it's certainly more shots than we've had to do on other movies. We did Robert looks amazing and Kurt. Also looks amazing. We've been very lucky with the actress who've gone through this process. But this will be this'll be significantly more moving than we ever done the for the fun challenge to have. But I don't think we could ever ask someone to step into Jackson shoes. So I'm glad we're doing it. You're introducing Maria in the film, and her daughter Monica says that obviously you're going to be set up for the future. I hope there's more story to tell Monica certainly the movie leaves it open for that stuff. I think one of the things that was really fun about stories came together and the Monica relationship and the Maria relationship Carol was being able to kind of tell the story of female, friendship and intergenerational female friendships. That's the part that grade is the mother, and you don't see that and severe films so like a conscious decision to make her mother. I made that harder story. It was felt like a natural way into into the marine. Monica characters felt like a great way to give Carol fun relationship that we haven't seen before. And it's not gonna keep Monica from being along for the fun of this journey. Talking about the character played by netting. No. Pass. What's going on in the early nineties and MC you with Blake? Costs dealing the the the. There's how start dying just like a month before that is any of that tied into this movie. It's all happening. It's happening in the background part of what we liked him up in the news like I said was kind of giving Carol her own turf. There are a lot of setups in the rollout of connections to to other things happening in the more of a cinematic universe. But I think what's most important is giving KIRO space for her own venture. Specifically say what your? I think we actually. Emcee. You spin on the scrolls as opposed to what we know from the comics, others, always spin on it. There's always take. But I think what people know about the scrolls is not to be trusted. They can shift and anybody and that makes super dangerous and those things I think you'll definitely find the movie. Chin are going away from my vantage journey on whom they got chins. Yes. Yeah. I don't know if they've got they've got their own shins. We've been hearing a lot about how captain marvel is the most powerful here on the what's that means? That means you can just be four and hulk in a fight or is there's more to it than that. And can't you be better way to the who can? She was powerful. Interested to hear his explanation of what what do you mean? When you say that I think what if you go back to the anyone recording this. One of the most if not the most, but part of the fun certainly is that she is super powered and kind of able to use your powers on a scale. We haven't seen before what that means for the movie, I think we'd see. The moral bills serve back with iron man that makes Abel's at the do feel. So rounded, even though they get. So can you talk about how this Hubbard aground in relationships can feel rounded in the spirit? Yeah, it's it's a little misleading because everything behind you super fantastical. We didn't do a lot of concept art of all the practical locations for shooting, but that's about half the movie part of the fun of shooting in Los Angeles's. We get to go really places real places and really shoot there. And that's also part of what Ryan and bring to the movie and part of their aesthetic is grounding this kind of crazy outerspace adventure in the reality of shooting, Los Angeles. And I think that's going to result in a really interesting really cool aesthetic that you haven't seen in a marvel for it is that why you guys shoot here. None Lanta private. There's a few reasons. One of one of them is not a lot big movie shoot Nell anymore. So weirdly feels like fresh territory for movie like this really like the shooting LA for LA, especially nineties LA for lay which is so specific and cool. And part of it is the crews of traveling to Atlanta travel UK and traveling everywhere for a long time and getting them home see their families for a movie is nothing which. So there's a lot of parallels between captain marvel and green lantern with being you know, in the air force. And she's going to space to join fight with aliens wearing the green costume, get superpowers has discussed that at all of like, you know, maybe where they or anything or a cautionary tale. I'm I'm sure we discussed at some point. I think the characters are different enough where they come from different enough that it wasn't a huge thing. Certainly what we wanna do with this movie is and with every movie is should show the audience on the NC before. And I think that means making immune from green lantern energy from the other world. How do you make captain marvel very powerful, but not over powerful for this for this cinematic universe because it's not just this film. But every. Very good question. I don't know if I know the answer to that yet. I think part of you know, I can't really speak to the move is going forward part of the pleasure. This move is going to see this. There's a lot of asked if we're lucky enough to be able to see more for going forward that I think will will think about how to give her challenges that resonate with the audience. Still certainly I don't think heading other movies that you may see her. You're going to be worried about her feeling overpowered. We saw show we'll say saw shot in the first real of her with Catholic soup is not in this movie. That's none of this movie. Describe captain routes relationship with Marv L G laws character. The relationship would you lost character? It's a really it's a really mentor meant he's kind of the leader of her squad on on Hala and teaches her in the ways of being cre- warrior, and so over the course of their adventure when she gets captured by the scrolls. They get separated he spends a lot of the movie trying to find her and trying to get her back in rescue from the scrolls. And it's it's a it's a tender relationship. But it's it's, you know, it's very much mentor protege. And I think Carol still has a lot of the the elements that made her human in her which you lost character, both appreciates and is your Tatum by. Do they have that kind of long history together? Like, what's he is? He part of that ordinary. Is he part of that origin story? I'm gonna pass a rou. Asking this question to actually. Since should totally. Did she totally kicked ass? I would never do it in a million years. If looked so interests. Yes. You really went up there as Leshan as did Anna Boden. Our director. I got Dervis nauseous just like sitting the briefings, they tell you what's going to happen up there. But she she went up to give her a call science with the whole bit. This is Marvel's first, you modern female at movie, did you guys look at when Roman at all and ticketing lessons from that inspirations of you know. You know, what was so great about wonder woman was talking to female audience members afterwards about how they felt watching. And a lot of the people. I talked to just that. I've never felt like that watching before my entire life that character resonated me in ways, I didn't even know cared could resume read it would resonate with me at. This. Which was which was great to hear and kind of amazing thing to kind of. I think it helped us understand how important movies like this are. So in terms of making the movie feel the stink. It's all these movies truck their courses anyway, and sort of just like relented we don't wanna make a movie that that people have seen before. But I think that means making the movie feel distinct not just from other female movies, but from from all the marvel movies as well every movie, so it wasn't a new channel necessarily. But it was when I think we're extra excited for it because of the nature of his beans to was there any challenge in the fact that this is a prequel to the rest of the MTA you knowing that, you know, Carol is still going to be live after Warren do anything. They're worried about humanity or dramatically. No. I mean. Sorry team. A prequel we have movies take place after this wondering knowing that she's around and knowing that she's still alive at the end of this. This will give states. Yeah. I didn't give it stakes. I mean, I think the audience knows by now that were probably not going to kill off and Oregon character and origin movie. So I don't think that's a huge leap to to that. She's going to be live at the end of the movie and a lot of the stakes in the movie centered on Caroline -ssarily. You know, I think. The way to approach movies like this isn't necessarily who's gonna live who's going to die. But what do you want the audience to get out of it? What's the journey? Want them to go on? Can you get invested in this character? Hopefully, the answer questions. Yes. Those in the issue of that week in see you feel. But we have like Gordon's retinue are very very funny. More infacy on humor than action or action. Humor than serious, then you have civil war, and our solar that would just really very dramatic with just a sprinkle of humor. So where does can marvel we're going to be more related to? It's kind of somewhere in between. You know, Carol in the comics is really funny character in her own way, in a way that doesn't feel like doctor strange doesn't feel like I remain like Robert Downey junior that that gets to be unique voice. And I think that's the voice we tried to get across which isn't joke minute rocker Coon garnered the galaxy which is super funny and isn't super granted kinda heavy. Some of our other movies have been I think that have to place a lot like doctor strange, the takes the movie in the sticks in the movie pretty seriously, but allows the characters to have fun with it. Expectedly details. Details kind of get back to the stakes question. Like, what are the stakes? Are we talking about like the decimation of the entire university talking about mostly personal stakes like kind of what are they protecting? Plus like, all marvel movies. It's a mix of both. I think I think we'll we'll be rooting along. The course of this movie for Carol to reconnect with humanity. Then release the stakes of the movie. What is over world? What's over world was of the working title of this production, but open we're open world. Sorry. What is opening? It doesn't really I'm sorry. It doesn't mean much like a very early on in these processes. We have to pick those titles at the time. We were still very early days developing the movies sort of like it was sort of like an open world game in a lot of ways. Like like, it was a movie where you could be allowed to things. What's that? All all as far as the space battles. And things. Are we looking for something more like darker like a roll one? Like, we're we're gonna see like a war where they're gonna be more of like operated. Big space, you know, kind of shining and clean found dirty. Look what's your answer that yet? It's gonna be teams for whatever that. I think the hope is to show the stakes elective war and. But not in a way that's going to track for the fun of the movie saints question. Right now. Immediately recognized in freeze performance interpretation. That affected the way you went in the film in the way that like there's degrees of separation between Tony stark, Robert Downey junior y'all when's that character is there. Did you find out with brea twos or wasting? She fluence Louis. Lynn Louis with all of these movies. The voice of the actor can't help but come through. And with Ryan and his help, and sort of an and kind of guided by the script, I think they found a version of Carol. That's really cool. That's not exactly careful in the comic books and not even exactly the Carol you read when you read the script page, the becomes kind of their own unique creation that that's really cool really interesting and breeze, certainly has done everything she possibly can to make the character feel as real as possible at she spent more time at the stunt Jim training for fights than any actor ever worked with which is amazing to watch. She's gone up in fighter jets. She's hung out with Thunderbirds. She she's going to do a lot of her own stumping stunt, this moving in a lot of fighting yourself little behind the scenes real not a lot not a ton of actors doing those wire gags we'd do enough to real. I did that stuff earlier today. Rehn Mustapa stunned Jim, and it takes a lot Addy, man. Really large. Recommend it. If you get the chance stop by stage eight they'll put you up on wires Superfund, but it's not easy of point us video. But maybe another time. Yeah. Star Wars like any awesome outerspace fighting force has their own kind of of weapons. You know? Has sores Broncos can but bigger stronger guy fights fist atlases is more of a marksman has two pistols Minerva, the sniper of the group kind of gets to be a little bit of remove and yon. They're sort around other powers in the spring throughout sorry, Jim sorts. Yes. Okay. Get. For carol. Could you talk about her personality little bit link? What where does she get morality from? What's your motivation in the movie? What's her baggage? What's her flow? I mean a lot of the movies about Carol nut remembering for human past. When we meet her the beginning of the movie, she believes that she is a creep and kind of has been inducted their armies just makes profit person, she loves me creed. And then over the course for adventure realize there's more to restore than that. So the movie kind of comes for Raveling Ruta road origin and route of her own mystery. She believes she's a crease it like she brainwashing. Type thing like puts me early. Ms Moore comes is that like she. Okay. But I'm saying that she's under the belief that we meet her. Yes. When we meet her. She believes she is Hala. Top gun. Shut a lot of the the air the air sequences actually in the air. Like, are you trying to go more for something like that nineties action or is a lot of it going to be like on state of dreams? We went to Edwards. We shot some practical stuff for their sequences. A lot of that will end up being CG just by the nature of the beast. But to the extent that we could shoot practically we did. And. Even stuff, you should practically informs the visual effects of it. Also much that immensely helpful in. The air force has been amazing about goes, the rats and their hangers and there are plans to use. It's been an incredible experience. Where else have you got shot LA? We're william. Let's see on that one Rando strip mall. You guys on the paparazzi photos. We were hitting up to see me valley soon. Shoot a query up. There. We shot at this other Rando strip mall in the valley where that blockbuster video got built we shot up shaver lake which is outside Fresno Edwards Air Force base. A couple of hours away. We shot in the Lucerne valley for some of that some of that desert. Look, it's it's been a lot in L A. And then a lot around LA. Resolve Carol, which you had on her street with a black strip Justice had for CD for symbol shoe. The black strip chest. Oh, I think that's true. In like the chest play comes on separately. The piece of the costumes sure sits down into does interviews of your. It's not the most comfortable thing. Works at them and stuff just comes off. Did you mention we'd be saying ruggedness from? Does pop up. Yeah. He's a an important part of the dodgy. Her powers when you said that they're like, she's the most. So we'll see like the try to like the most at cinematic scene in university in door as far as I showing like lasette all aliens and the vendors are we going to see things that are bigger than that. Yeah. Yeah. Meet fixed spaceship bells. Yes. Any other requests? Twenty five student left time travel. Okay. That's our full is also keeping her vulnerable. Is there a lot of thought into figuring out how to keep her? Keep those those kinds of stakes for their we did. And she I I wouldn't say she's that powerful for the entire movie on a lot of the movie is kind of about her understanding true power. So so it kind of becomes an issue for for more the end of the movie more going forward than it does for this movie. That Yuri Kallio slow career. Oss captain marvel. Reactionist Iverson, Fred, I think he reacts very much any of us would I sing a person in a? Teal green star for south it tell you say, I'm only for another planet and their scrolls infiltrate your world, okay? But very quickly. He he encounters the scroll on his own sort of realizes that he's wrapped up in something much bigger than he could have ever imagined. Listen. Kersley the. I think it benefits and in its uniqueness by by having Carol be the first superhero he's ever really encountered or heard of in his life. She sort of gets to be the window for it to him for the for this entire bigger universe. So he's a little a little less of the I know everything there is to know Nick fury that we see in the later movies and a little bit more perhaps to new ideas. Is this what we learn? Where was I? Does it seems like there's some big climactic stuff happening in this movie? How does nobody in earth in iron man, the events of iron men are battle New York? Like, no about what has the big stuff. That's happening. I mean, you know, couldn't answer that. But we have to get into all the big stuff. Feels like the feels like a wait and see sorry because messed of the cat, really suppressed. Not too late. There's awesome cabinets moving than goose. Topgun gun reference kind of take on from the comics goose's played by a team of four cats all have their own specialty. There's ready there's Archie Rizzo, and there's guns. Oh there in eighteen cats who can all do one trick. Because you can't teach cats two dozen inch Eller all about cats, of course, this movie. So one of them is like the face Cavs, pretty cat. That's archie. Reggie one of them's the holding cat, you hold and can be held one of them's like the Muslim CAD who walk up to your leg. Does live capital pi jerk. I think that's Rizzo. If you told me before this movie started though, it'd be additioning cats to play the role of goose, I would not have believed you really work. There's probably one or two other ones in there ones that I only registered self-conscious consciously now. Got into costal. Oh, the mask here. Maybe that'd be cool. Cat under screen. Oh, man. I love to. People go looking to love. It did it just felt like one of those things from the comics that we couldn't do. Be on the comics in this last page here there's a bit pedicle monsters that something that's done. We're going to see on the front, you know, that's version of the screen intelligence. And you know, this is part of the movie over here. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. That the. Sort of sort of like. Run-ins role in the movie just like it's early version, Nick fury. It's kind of an earlier version of Ronin who has become the radicals that we saw in burns guys have only one. So he has his own station in the in crease citing on Hala in his own role to play in the pre military intersex with a star Ford in an interesting way. Will we be? We'll be sort of a will leave him in a place that will kind of see how he gets to where we're seeing the X. That big enough. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. I mean, I think the see just like there's a Nick fury origin story there in this movie Barrett. A little bit deeper run over story. 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1574 Dr. Walter Ackah & Dr. Kyle Dumpert of the Tooth Be Told Podcast on Urban vs Rural Dentistry : Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran

Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran

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1574 Dr. Walter Ackah & Dr. Kyle Dumpert of the Tooth Be Told Podcast on Urban vs Rural Dentistry : Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran

"Buying a sensor is madness. Large upfront investment too expensive for every op in pricey warranties with high deductibles subscribe instead with the jazz club. One thirty nine per month and just a one time. Sixteen forty nine sign up fee when using promo code madness at jazz imaging dot com. That's jazz imaging dot com. It is just a huge honor for me today to be podcast survey dr. Kyle patrick dumper. D- d d. madd. And dr walter off dm d they are the co host the to be told podcast. I love it. Listen juice kyle i. Since he's the young one. Doctor kyle patrick dumper d. m. d. m. e. gdp grew up in bedford. Pennsylvania right smack in the middle between the pittsburgh steelers and the eagles. So i just stopped right now which we where did you fall you fall with the steelers side. Much to wolters upset. Okay film so prediction. Well your quarterback back next year. That's a good question. I think he will be well. That's the truth. Be told that could be told tile from indiana university of pennsylvania in two thousand and eight with his bachelor's and attended the university of pittsburgh school of dental medicine where he graduated in two thousand thirteen after he completed a one year. Gp are the pittsburgh va hospital. He then return his hometown bedford to work for his childhood. Dennis with plans to purchase the practice after working for a year he moved to kawai hawaii and worked for a year and a half in private practice when he had enough Living in paradise detroit it all the way to move back to pennsylvania to work for heartland dental for a year. He then again moved back to hawaii to work for a small d. o. For a month before finally returning his hometown to buy zone practice where it currently practice dentistry. In twenty seventeen he received his fa fhd then in two thousand eighteen. He received his mgd during the summer. Twenty twenty. He joined dr walter as a co host of the truth. Be told and dr walter. Aw m d graduated from dental school in two thousand nine. After dental school he realize he needed more education to be the super dennis. He wanted to be so he went on to get his. Gpa are training at pittsburgh. Va system after working for a year as a general dennis. He loves surgery more than dentures. So he applied and got accepted into the pit perreault residency following graduation in two thousand fourteen. He moved to houston just to be closer to my grandchildren where he set up a traveling. Perry donald business use the proud husband. Mary and father of two amazing little girls. Nina and serena are they tennis players i wish. Nah we'll get there do. We're not doing dentistry. He enjoys hosting the podcast tooth be told cooking travelling in watching soccer since he was born in ghana west africa and i sell them for this show. One of the biggest treats i ever had in. My life is three times. I got to watch a world cup game in a country that was in the world cup game. And i'll tell you what the only america if you've never been outside of america but you don't know what fans are until watch soccer twice in africa. Once in french. they make american football. Nfl fans look like they're premedicated. Demer all i mean when i was watching it in france i thought the bleach should have been there an hour ago with a water. It's a soccer game. I mean that's just So why i we do a whole podcast on watching world cup gains in countries that i mean how sometimes i mean america. They're like. I don't like that colts like well. In brazil they killed the wrath columbia to excite concussion protocols for the nfl. Okay you remember in the roman empire that used to feed people lions right. I mean i'd rather have concussion and being eaten at halftime by a lion but tell us tell us your journey. How did you guys meet. I keep seeing a lot of pennsylvania in there. So that the that was the initial geographic connection between you to how did you. How did you get connected in pen and end up in toothed told so you know went initially actually colin i. I was a resident cow. You were finishing dental school correct. I was in a fourth year dental school and Yeah he was very residency superior residency after who went down and really the way to be told came a bow which is basically me and my other buddy that we co-hosted with initially he basically him it out with just sitting drinking alcohol. We're just having a good time and we started talking about how like our day in our week and so forth and after a while we just like okay you know what this just can't be just us. We have other people. They're sitting there complaining about you. Know how dennis she's going or complaining about patients and so forth and so we were like. I wonder if patients know that. Dentists are real people to put on a face. You know we were always happy. We have to kinda basically jumble and do all this extra stuff for patients and wears down on us at the end of the week. It's like okay now. It's time for us to complain about it. And and and just tell everybody like this is what dentistry really is so we started it just based on that and it actually picked up a good amount because patient an actual Dental students listen. Go men okay so this is what really dennis this dance you really is about. And that was the whole point of this was to be completely honest about what dennis go through it. Kind of like the best. That happened when you take a is the the presenter giving you the facts on all the good stuff but also the best stuff and so. That's what we wanna do is just let people understand that. There is good times great times and educate them on everything that we know. Bring you know Guest on that can educate more but we also want everybody to stand but hey there is other stuff that goes on in dentistry that we don't like them in college. If you listen to our podcast how talks about it all the time you know in our disliked more insurance than when all that could happen with insurance and you know how dennis can we can do better and i honestly believe that. And that's why we started. I believe we could do better as a dental society. And just you know. Enjoy what we do because dance. She provides us with so much that we kind of lose. Track it whenever we just you know. We finished a day. We just go whatever you know that makes us it does. And that's when you walter said to kyle. I'm gonna start a podcast. I actually i listen to So i met walter. He was a period of resident because he had done the v. A gp our residency. And i now something. I was interested in doing so i to get his opinions on that program afterward. I heard about him. Starting this podcast liked it. Listen to a lot of starts mitigating with a couple of shows and then When the opportunity arose where he needed another co host i He elected me to fill that spot knife. Been on ever since. Don't get me wrong. I mean kyle much criticized my set up. The first time he came on the show he was like. Is this what we're doing here. And i was like listen. I'm not professional. Like howard dean. So let's flew flew to texas. Just so i could be on his podcast house texas so i think of your podcast is. It's so keeping it real. I mean you you Lot of dentists want to believe that you know if you have fresh flowers in the waiting room. And you build a million dollar taj mahal and you put a painting in the front by you. Know rembrandt add. You know people are gonna come by throw money at you and they only do. I only see them do that in casinos. That's the only place. I've been where people just drive for miles. Just dump their purse out on the table but other than a casino. I mean you gotta do stuff. That's not sexy extractions and root canals and bread and butter dentistry. And they're like well. I'm just gonna do. Bleaching and bo talks all the way to the taj mahal. I feel like you guys are more keeping it real. Yeah i mean honestly the whole point of this podcast is to basically be honest and just talk about it. A lot of dentists wanna do form out three hats but they have no idea about inclusion. Let's let's be completely honest. Start from the beginning. Let's learn about the basics before we get to you. Know what all our you know our mentors and everybody spent twenty thirty forty years in dentist. You're doing let's let's. Let's start from the basics. Learn about inclusion learn dentures basic inches right. 'cause we all we all know that dentistry. Dennis was what led us to aesthetics and inclusion mouth rehabs and so forth. And if you don't understand that how could you possibly sit there and think i'm gonna go ahead take a course a weekend course. And now i'm doing form out rehabs. You're doing a disservice to the patient. He'd done a disservice to the practice of dentistry. I mean that's how i feel personally when i mean. Maybe kyle's going to be a little nicer about it. But i don't know i actually i i refer everybody out for full mouth rehabbed. I'm not comfortable with it. I liked the bread and butter bread and butter dentistry. I've been to allow continuing education classes. And i know i have the skills to do that work. But with completing a twenty five fifty thousand dollar case. There's a lot more added stress that i don't want to have in my life that I don't want that number treatment plan starts getting higher and higher than you start in my mind. I start worrying about lawyers and patient expectations. And i like the somebody comes in. They're in pain. I get him out of pain whether it's with a routine our extraction and they're with me for lice white walter when you were talking about inclusion. Not knowing inclusion seems like for thirty three decades. I hear all these dining. Everyone complained that they come out of school. And they know carries perry's but they don't know Collusion why what do you think. That's been a solid a yelp review on dental school for three decades. And you know. I'll be honest with i. Don't i don't know you know i feel like they. Just you know big regretfully dental school and were provided with their education. Enough not hurt anybody. But we're not provided with additional means of just kind of learn more. Like you know for me. I look at it as the reason why. Jpr was. Because i knew. I didn't know enough to to do more and to know better right. It's kind of like the more you learn more. You realize you don't know as much as you should. you know. Inclusion is something. I don't think any demo school really teaches you. It tells you the bite on you know a collusion paper to check your respiration. But they don't tell you about para functional habits. How do you correct. We're all these other things and they just something that i think you've got this seeking dentistry. I'm not sure school. Has they have enough time. Even for example out two buddies in my who are paid a- profit honest and they spent three years just to learn equation. you Yeah they do all these other things but hostile residencies inclusion and so. That's what i'm saying like. They took three years to learn. Cruzan why is it that we expect us to mighty when he expect to london on a weekend course. I don't get that at all so when you guys saw each other kala walter do looking back. You got your your general denis. Walter became a do you think. There's an advantage a blatant advantage. Advantages specialize or not specialize. What would you tell a kid who was a junior senior and dental school. The and cons of specialty or general. I'll start i. I don't see the point of allies. In my case. I am so happy there specialist out there but as a general dentist i can pick and choose what i wanna do. What uncomfortable doing and if somebody's going to be a headache in my hair or is that i'm going to get into deep that among instable i always have that out to refer a special Refer that patient specialist when it comes to you. Talk a lot about what general makes versus. What a specialist makes. I think if you're gonna be general dentist get out of the city's get into small town get into rural because that the numbers that you talk about our our They don't apply to rural dentistry. I kinda agree with kyle general dennis workday hearted in specialists. Do i really. I'll be honest with you and then say that a lot of people may not like that but i you know you have to know so much in as a good general dennis you have to know what all the other specialist kind of. No you know what i mean. In order to be able to refer them correctly or be able to work with improperly A lot of specialists. Don't even take the time to learn. You know basic general dentistry. So did you go okay. Well whatever the general dentist system. I'm going to do and i think that one year for me and i think everybody should do what residency honestly before you specialize because allows you to understand the basics. You could talk to your your your dennis in a better more proper way Do do i think that being a specialist is something You know how would you say allow you do extractions. Third molars sammy. As fast as oral surgeons or at least it was really the skill set in a matter of just taking time to learn the skill set. You don't have to specialize in order to know the skill set if you take the time to do properly so again. I'm not sure if being a special listen something that is for everybody. I hated dentures. I never wanna do dentures. I never wanted to do ventures. I did it in residency. I never wanna do it again. That's why i said it can't let me just stick to something that i really enjoy something that makes my life a lot easier or something that i literally can listen to my slow johnson and do all day which is extracts in surgeries all day. I literally have slow jam song while i'm doing my serve. That's what makes me happy. You know what i mean. But that's not very. I also eight dangers. I don't know a lot of dennis. That new but again as a general dentist. I can pick and choose. I don't wanna do enters. I can refer that out to the local denture clinic. And i have the ability to get my toe into a. I started doing implants at my practice. Two years ago So i can pick and choose. What are the easy cases and start to build my skill and not have to deal with something that is you know. Full mouth rehab or all or any of that stuff. I guess what specialist for and his back. I mean you're in a you're in pittsburgh right now. What is the temperature right now in pittsburgh today it's probably twenty degrees outside right now and i'm freezing here in phoenix fees. It's only seventy three today. I'm serious it was you. You're out there in paradise. Did you practice dentistry there. Were you associate or or did you serve all day long. I was at a private practice. It was a brand new office. Ground up build done by henry shine in. It really was buried isos working four days a week and surfing on three days a week. We're four days a week. Perfect answers all the time but it all came back to all my family. All my friends are on the east coast. And no matter where you're at its helm as where your friends and family are in. That brought me back place. This is very politically incorrect. But i i have to ask. I've known a lot on either. Did you ever see how long were you there. A year and a half. Yes did you ever felt like you fit in our. Did you never really fit in. Because of the dole family and the fact that they went down there and stole away. I'm getting a discrimination question. Or the podcast allies. Keep going how. Americans don't like americans don't want to talk about their abusive state boards like i'm here in arizona and the guadalupe indian reservation as twenty thousand people and whenever dentist on the other side of the arizona border in human bowler city where the americans will drive down there to go to him and if he comes up here the board will call the police and they'll arrest them and put them in a cage and he'll go to trial i read. It's like is like. Can we talk about that. Talk about as it's abuse and i always I always felt that you were from the country that ripped off their country with pineapple king. Mister dole and i was wondering wondering honesty when you were there for a year. Did they get over that and accept you or was still just a glaring issue. I never had any had one problem with one patient and believe it or not. There was a white patient female patient. That was more comfortable being treated by asian dentists in a white dentist. But i found. I've lived in a couple of different areas. I i've traveled a couple of different countries. And as long as you a bull with respect and kindness. Wish i treated everybody that way. They were all extremely welcoming of i. You know you get accepted when you go to a locals. Only surf spot. And they're sharing the waves with you and taking turns and as long as you're respectful to him. I never once felt that i wasn't welcomed their but quiet quiet is different than a law or some of the. The city's choir is a smaller. Downfield where you really know everybody. That's there you out of the savings in honolulu. No i think there. There's i know some dennis. The practice there and there is a there is a lot more of an issue because of the city atmosphere. And i've noticed going around the world is that you're a dentist talking to the dentist. The dentist love each other. They just hate each other's government. You please don't associates be in fact it's kind of funny a lot of. There's some pretty famous international dental speakers at taught me a trip along time ago. He goes when you're going into. It's going to be tough. Just go get the canadian black leather jacket with a big canadian flag. And i am. I've been told that longtime only save me. One time sky will send me. It was at a bar and you come on. Are you know i'm canadian. Oh sorry my god. Save no to drugs by nancy reagan. Or whatever you gotta practice just practice. I'm canadian indian one hundred times before you go around the world because they're going to teach your history class So what do you do. How do you guys reset the clock on a young kids expectation once to come out of school. And the seriously things are going gonna do. Bleaching in bonding and bo talks invis- line and live happily ever after and it's like dude. You're a doctor. It's gonna be blood and guts extractions root canals and the rest is just fancy. It's not the meat and potatoes. How do you well first of all. Do you believe that the potatoes you they command and paying you gotta pull the two hour. You're not treating the patient the basics i think the basics of dentistry is always going to be there right you talked about the the the meat and potatoes like if a patient comes to you pain. You give them options. You wanted to take out. What do you want to replace a with. Do you wanna do root canal. What do you want to crown on there. What kind of crown are you going to do. So the basic zo is going to be there. I honestly think that people wanna go online. Where like the instagram generation. Where everything's critic. Everything has to be like for example. I wanna give a shout out but Apple you know he does beautiful veneers crowns and so forth and everybody thinks that that's the kind of lifestyle that every dentist needs to live and everybody that every dentist needs. That's not the case. Ninety nine point nine percent of us aren't going to be doing travelling between two countries three. Who will however many travels to do dentistry like he's you know he is very very special. Verse electing aren't gonna do that. I think our podcast allows people. Don't understand what dennis she really is. And how just basic and and you know you have potentials to expand. I really believe that. But i also think that you have to keep your expectations down to a to a level that makes sense. You kyle said if you want to do well financially. Why are you in a big city. Compete with fifty million other dentists. Go to the roy areas. You know setup. Because i promise you you'll have a lot of patients coming to you like how i had a conversation where In his town there is not even a single oral surgeon on his. If i were to say okay you know my wife allowed me to. And i wanted to come down to go up to a best friend. I would make a killing because the only person that would be you know the perry doubtless there. I don't understand why we don't do that. And i think you mentioned this howard multiple times. I don't understand why this is still not something to resonate with people. Everybody wants glorious life but sometimes you guys just say i'm gonna live in the country and travel in my course to the city. Yeah i mean you got you gotta go where your needed and they They make themselves to tell you how bad it is every. Dso ceo that i know has already written off the rural they plan on going to urban because The young single people they come out of school. They're not gonna have any chance finding a mate and beeville or they want to be in. Houston they want to be in the big cities they want to increase her chance and look as pretty as a peacock and all that kind of an older. Someone asked you this beyond the bread and butter. Do you think more demand in the cosmetic clear liner invis- lane or the implants. I say in my area. It's i'd say. I'd say it's fifty fifty in my area but i'm not doing a lot of invisible and i don't enjoy orthodontics Like walter said the in my town. It's the closest oral. Surgeon is five minutes to an away. And it's a wait to get in to see him so if you're good at the bread and butter stuff. Why would i wanna do embezzling married to a patient for years just to get the same feed by doing a root canal kremlin somebody that takes me one or two visits. And i can actually tell that you're not into cosmic as i can tell you. Leave the hair on your ad like ross. Shaver lake terry bradshaw. Walter and our really care about their looks. Bradshaw walter me. You'd have to shave your head so the fact that hair on your head. I too much. So so how. Big of a town is bedford. Then how small is that. If it's got a six month wait for an oral surgeon. The county itself is roughly fifty. Thousand people is maybe fifteen twenty thousand and are you married there. Are you single. I am single is do you. Do you see why. I mean is harder for a single dennis to go to a small town and find a peacock as then say if you're in houston is absolutely. That's part of the reason. I moved around so much is i didn't have anything tying me down. I could go where. I wanted to go and meet new people in different areas but home is home and i. I always knew that. I would come back to my hometown. That's i love your surfboard. Sit by your report. That's actually my assistant. Made that a chair that my assistant made christmas. How a hanger for the says you made that for me. So so so you're a so you own your own practice and and so do you. Own the land and building. Did you buy the practice. Did you start at two novo How did you get. It was a practice that was established. Thirty years ago The has been the dentist and his wife. His wife was i she. I went to school with their kids. She was my soccer coach. Grown up and when. I made the decision to come back second time. They were looking to any. We're looking to sell So i bought it in two thousand eighteen march of two thousand eighteen and thursday. The holidays go just bought the real estate. Wow and how end. How's it going. It's going great. It's a there is for anybody. Any of the. The young dental students listening defined a practice that is established that you plan on being after a longtime that was bread and butter. it's Amalgams patchwork mouth gums and everyday people are coming in with a broken tooth and take a picture with an intro oral camera show them what's in their mouth and it's automatic crown in that have like said two or three times a day every day the week that happens and it's a not selling dentistry. I'm showing people. What is in their mouth. This treatment option that's available. This is what i think is best for you and because it's a small town that trust is they're they're going to see me for the next thirty years at this practice and so there's no reason why i would want to take advantage of somebody when i'm gonna see him at the grocery store tomorrow right and so describe your practice. Well so for me. I actually travel to different offices. I work with a eso doubt here in houston and can you get the name of the dnc. Yeah oh absolutely you know if you don't mind. It's pacific dental. Okay steve steve current. That's right yeah. Yeah so just go with a go between about nine or ten offices and just set up the one good thing about them is once you get and i'm very lucky because a lot of the people at work with i'm also friends with so you know. We actually have a relationship where there's an issue a way to improve the practice from a parental point of view that we can have that discussion. I can't speak for everybody working with pacific. But i know for sure that i'm very lucky. Mess sense you know what i mean. So it actually very beneficial. Because i go in there. And do what i need to do If there's an issue or anything like that. We have a direct communication. We get it resolved legal from there you know and it's actually getting it's actually getting even better because now i'm getting them to understand period. Initially the hardest part was trying to get them to understand what period donald disease was trying to get them to understand what i did. You know besides just take two place an imprint good debt but are so many other factors in add to kind of educate them on and i goes back to dental school. Would we really know about perria. Would we know about ortho. And so forth so walter. You're traveling on you. You go into other offices would it. What is your website. Have the website of the dentist. You go into yeah. so so. Basically just me on their website as one of the providers. But when i say some dennis wanted to contact you about coming into their office what with all my goodness. Yeah there's is the mri there's parallel modern dentistry. Spring klein There's Parallel dentist with an s There is champions modern dentistry. So most of the time it's just modern dentistry and whatever locations spring. Cyprus so i go. I work from spring. Which is all web north houston and then all the way down. Imperilling p. a. r. l. a. n. d. But but um so if you go into an office you set up a website and then the name of the city then add modern dental to the end. Well no no. So what happens is whenever. I partnered up with them. Basically add to the west side that already exists for that office. Okay so you're mostly going into modern dentistry website. Dental offices yet pretty much. Yeah because that's like most of the pacific dental you in houston anywhere else for that area. It's like modern dentistry. And it's like the names of them and do you think that's a good strategy mean. Aspirin will go in there. Names every single one of their practice. Aspen heartland is kind like a kroger. Were you know kroger. grocery serve fries and zona. Dylan's and kansas. Do what do you. What do you think the advantage Do you think it should be gasping dental everyone or a modern ferns modern. I mean i always know. It's an aspirin side just because if you look at the site i mean it's an aspen site But first of all how. How was it So when you say you're a traveling on us. Is it only for aspen store locations. So so i know i used to actually have i go to other private practices and stuff like that too so it's not just what pacific dental so i go to other travel. I go to other offices at provide my spanish my again especially to general dennis. That wanna bring in Specialists and that's really big in texas. I can't be the state but in texas because of the d. o. was really big. There's tons of dso's down here the mentality the mentality for general dentist is to have the specialist come into their office. So that's something that we're dealing with down here in the change in the dynamics where specialists would have in offense and did the General dose referred to them. Now it's more of a you know what you're gonna go into that office. Because the general dentists have told the patients. Hey why don't you know we have everybody coming into this office. The patients like the beans. You know so. That's something that you kind of fighting up hill battle when it comes to that as a great makes it easier for the patient as easy for me now. I travel all over the place. You know it's hard you know. And then when it comes to naming it the same exact thing. I worked at aspen in the one problem that i found was a patient. Didn't couldn't really differentiate between the two aspen so when they left the When they left a review it might have been for the wrong offices. You see so you get hit with a review. That wasn't even meant to you. And now something that i noticed now sake. I never even saw this patient. That was for somebody also another office. You know a few miles down the road but guess what because it was asking they just so aspen dental and bar you know and i think that that whole keeping it consistent. Yeah it's great for the company. But i don't know if it's for the office individually. I know that sorts who i was at chicago midwinter one time after lecturing all day and i was at this party. And all of a sudden two bouncers physically manhandled me drug me all the way and threw me out on the street. And i'm like what the hell did i do. I could figure it out and then like five minutes later bob. Ganley the ceo. I declare runs out. Goes no not that bald guy. The guy and i'm like so. I understand how can can with another bald guy who was losing his mind but anyway i got a bunch of free drinks from bob. Ganley that night. That was so do you see. I mean no. Dso's in rural pennsylvania. Big cities like pitton pen. Pittsburgh they off. They were mostly in the in the big cities. They're rumor has it. That hartland just bought one of the small offices in my hometown. But that's that's what i've heard and they haven't been able to find a dentist to their. They've all been temporary dentists that have been coming from different areas to develop in. They haven't been able to find that steady. Dentist dwarf there which i think is You mentioned earlier a problem that they run into. Well i. It's a huge round these. Ceo's have told me that their rural offices on any given day ten percent of them don't have a dentist. I mean that. That's huge. And and i think it's about to switch because phoenix was ground zero for google driverless car. Deal and my gosh. I can't believe it's been going five years. No one died during the whole test. The number one complaint they had the. Here's how weird humans arming. They're like cats and dogs. They're just so funny but the the number one problem they had was when people saw drivers down the street. They throw rocks at it. I mean humans. Are i mean. I'm always getting mad at my dog. And i'm thinking well my dog -ly he's smarter than half the people i know. They're just bizarre. but imagine. You have a driverless car technology and you want to go to that small town. I always say that. In america the dennis wake up in the morning. And they're usually sitting in demographics about one dennis every two thousand people and then get on the freeway and commute for our to and they get other car where there's a dentist very even people like you just an hour to get know. It's insane but if he got in the car and drove an hour outta town related jovan to a place where there's one dentist every six thousand. And if it's an hour or two hours who cares because this driverless car format we're just going to be a battery on four wheels. A two hour drive. If might in my alarm six thongs nine to move your fat but to the bed in the car and use wind down the car and fell back asleep for two hours or you had a recliner and you had a big screen or your computer music. Whatever but you're not going to be sitting there at the wheel changing lanes and all that you're going to be sitting in a driverless transportation thing but do you. But obviously i mean i know a if you go to peel. They you know that was a charity foundation. Think tank for save the oceans and but they got into healthcare that was their next pivot and and in dentistry. They do all the demographics of the areas that i have a shortage of dentists. So they've done all the work for you and it seems like the people that listen or married mormons that kids and dental school stay home. Wives are eventually going to have like eighteen kids and live in a shoe and the guys like i got finding great location. And you say well look. Here's eleven percent on the counties. Don't even have a dentist. And i know one. Several of them are like one went to iowa. He was the only dentist in the county. He had four hundred thousand dollars on the first year. He does a million four takes hundred but he has his own entertainment. He has wife kids. He doesn't need a barn fancy lights and all that. So if you have all your social stuff matt why not gonna small town. I hated raising my four kids and feeds because in in which time. You've got a mini bike or go car. You just took off down the street and me and john lees. Who's now a into donna's. La we word are. Motorcycles are mini bikes each other's houses when my kids try to do that in phoenix police. Always return 'em and i'm like what the hell's wrong. He is a hohmann until we ought eighteen years old. It's a site street on a saturday or you out of your mind and the police late yes we are completely out of our minds and we will arrest your kid and put them in a cage if he does it again. But there's a lot of advantages to small town living in howard. Have you seen since the pandemic started. There seemed to be a mass exodus out of the big cities for a lot of people. Whether it's because of the shutdowns because of civil unrest or or anything. Have you seen in any of your stuff where there have been more dentists going out into the rural areas from the cities. I have not. I have noticed this much. I'm you know used to go on a vacation to get an airplane and flyer take or whatever and the real estate. Two hours outta town has doubled and phoenix arizona. So you leave phoenix you go up towards the mountains like to flagstaff area. A two hundred thousand dollar homes now. Four hundred i mean. So he's out of there in. Rv's i mean our visa are just selling out of your mind. And i went and rv. But i wanna wait till it's a driverless. Rv i do. I don't wanna drive the damn rb. Because when i do i always feel my beer and i hate that. So what what advice. So you're traveling period on. I'm not specialists. Don't ever talk about this. But what is the standards fee split when spiciness go into an office. Mainly oral surgeons ended on us perry on us. How does that work usually well. So that's actually a really good question. Is this a closely guarded secret. Don't care not to to guard that secret. I guess for me. I look at it like this. Who's bringing in. What rate if i'm using your office and you provide me with the patients. 'cause he referred patients to me and i'm bringing in my own assistance my All the materials like for example implants the overhead for me as a little higher. Of course i'm gonna take more race. So i'm looking at sixty five seventy percent rate but i think that needs to be a symbiotic relationship where you get something in return to make. It seemed like hey. This is actually worth my time for the specialist. Be my office. I'm not gonna sit here and take eighty ninety percent One hundred percent of the you know or ninety five percent of the the the the fee because then was like. What's the point of me being in your office. You're providing me with You have you have overhead that you have to take care of. The lights are still on so for me. I look at it and say okay to war. I'm bringing to the to the game here. The more i'm gonna take sixty five seventy percent. But i don't see anybody really going over seventy percent but i could be wrong. It could be somebody out there. That would actually agree to take you know eighty percent. That'd be crazy house general dennis. I would want someone come into my office and giving me twenty percent. When i'm pretty much providing most of the hard stuff for them will you know if you if you think about capacity macroeconomically the fact that there's a hundred and sixty eight hours in a week. And how many hours would you say the average. Dennis works for week. What would you guess taking. Thirty two divided by one hundred and sixty eight and you get nineteen percent so eighty percent of all the capacity of dentistry is never used. And there's no reason in the next decade. Anybody should build a dental office because someone needs a dental uber app. Because if i gave them out of school and you up and you said i need office. Well i mean an office. Eighty percent of the opera. Tories are idle at all. If eight out of ten never in us will. i shouldn't have to go buy land and building build a dental office. I should just able to uber dental on me you this address drop a pin texas. Show up do it. So what have you learned. We're going to find out what you've learned from being a paradise in so many different dental offices because there's a lot of paranormal mysteries out and understand like like fi. You got like twenty five referrals right. Five of them refer one hundred percent of all the crown linking procedures for ten years. And the other never referred one time. Which one's mermaid and which ones a unicorn i mean. It's like something's not right there. Well so a lot of a lot of people know that so the way. It looks the way i've noticed. It's like this if you have disease deep pockets. Whatever the first thing that says go to on this. They don't even talk to. The patient about is restored from my point of view. Or can i do anything with this. So if i s appeared on if i think that you would be safe. I'm going to see that. You may not benefit you if the the inclusion is all messed up at her functional habits and all that stuff so i think the first thing is a lot of people need to look at the big picture and say you're not just sending it to pair off because they have deep pockets your senator dogs because i need to keep these teeth or i need to do this. This this so running the ship. Like i would say everybody. You're you're running into the bus. You're the one in charge. You driving the bus here. I need you to let me know white and you can do. Because i'm only going to tell you compared donald point of view what i can help you with you. Say another thing that i've noticed is like you said they're people. They're really good at descending us or sending me implants but don't know anything about crumbling and now other people wanna do that even if the two cannot be crowning so is this a matter of like. They're stuck in one way in. It's hard to be to get them out that way until asked multiple for them saying see look at this one look at this and the best for me is actually take a lot of pictures and show them do like a slide. Show explain to them what i can do. And it's not just one lecture. It's multiple extras to get them to understand. Repair really is and i realized that for doing this for as long as i have. It's let's break down and just do one. Let's focus on next month will do free agent will graphs. Next month will do connective tissue. So it's not like let me disembark everything. Let's just show you this. Get you really get a refund and seeing that with your eyes and move on from there. And i just massively increase the percentage of my referrals of the period on us. That will go. Lotta never go. But i guess what you're saying is yeah. You need to go see walther. He's got deep pockets. Girls run it really though straight. There don't understand perry on your call it with deep pockets. It's what we always do when we're on the pockets. We just keep it as simple as possible. are listening to pair donald pockets attachment loss and so forth. But yeah we just e patrick for the podcast. We try to keep it simple. Because everybody's listening to us. So are you implant agnostic. I mean it's confusing. When say in vista i mean you know the. He owns a noble. The high vans and he owns neon out of brazil for the value so he owned southwest airlines zan first-class and delta. Does it matter what would you say to a dentist. Is it okay to save money by value. Implants from niu dent. Or do i need the top dollar for obamacare man. This is my personal opinion. And i'll be honest with you. My personal opinion as most of the time could look at the research. Most implants integrate right. We look at it and research like ninety nine ninety five percent. Ingratiation it could. It doesn't really matter rate. And so the one thing that i tell all my refer denison anybody that wants to plant i say what does your rep look like like where you are right now. Can you get a rep into your office is this is the company actually very receptive to your questions and trying to get you more education about implants if you can understand that in and have somebody that can guide you and help me along the way. That's all that really matters. I personally don't think any one implant is better than other. It's what feels comfortable. My hands you know. And that's one thing. I can't stand it like whenever you go to a lecture. And they're paid off by this company and this company that's all the gear their lexus to that implant just thousands of implement companies out there in the we all can't be great but we all keep better either. It's just a matter of just being honest and saying what works best for me financially and my hands. Maybe this system is easier to understand and this other system is okay this this assists them. Okay three drills and unplaced my implant this one might need to be stepped down with you know bone densification or something like that. There's so many different factors that go into it. It's just a matter of looking and understanding. What the how the reps are around your area because if you need help or have some issues or missing a piece of you know Material or something directly. Come and help you out and then also making sure that you get information for so. I don't think any implanting plans to be honest with you. I feel like some of the features of like like zimmerman plan. That's what i use. A the reason two reasons. I think that in playing company one. That's what we use it a residency so as familiar with it to the acquired the in code healing abutment from I forget the name of the company but it's a scannable healing about it. And i wanna make the process as easy for the patients as possible. I was learning how to do. Implants trying to screw in an impressive post. Get to go in their mouth. Trying to find the little screw. Hold a release. The impression post from the The impression that all made things too complicated and the patient in life attitudes trae in their mouth with all these little tiny screws so with a scannable healing abutment. That whenever i place the implant the healing abutment that can be scanned is in their mouth. I'd never have that patient up again the only time. I'm going to touch that implant after placing it. I scan once. I move crowns ready. I unscrew the healing about midnight. Screw the tooth in and it's easy patients absolutely loved that ease of Treatment zimmer i prefer zimmer just because they have that feature available and while cries never even said anything about i ask you integration at all easy for him to deal with. What's easy for the patient. Yeah that's that's what. I think the implants really become as just. What's easy for me to deal with. Well i am also the the rap. I mean my god if you don't have any support or you're all alone if you don't have any support you might as well buy online you might as well buy e commerce because But you know if you need that and what's funny for me. I'm completely different. What i liked most about my rap was the social queens. Saying hey thursday. They're all gonna be drinking at this place in your guy because it's a big town. There's three point eight million people. There's thirty eight hundred and it's you don't know where everybody all the alcoholics are and where they're all drinking. But if you've noticed that zimmer biomet announced its intent to spin off its spine and dental businesses but into a new company. But i thought that was really interesting if unless i'm reading this wrong that the dental is going to go with spine site. Okay i i read that like is going to be separate. Then maybe get picked up by like in this day which is going to get into a big holding company which was spun off from manner or they actually can combine spine and dental. I thought that was very interesting. It reminds me of the milk research. Remember they had spent all that million dollars of drink. Milk with the milk mustaches. Same florida was saying. Drink florida orange juice and nobody could measure any result from this campaign but then they change the packaging and milk from being square carton to round so it actually fit in your car holder and that jumped sells you know twelve fifteen percent so there was a deal where the best marketing was a change in packaging. And you were saying that you want to implant. You wanted this rap nearby or support and you know and you were saying what you liked about the techniques and all that stuff so it's not always price. It's sometimes packaging convenience. It's all kinds of different things so a lot of people would. what do you think. Young kids don't understand the most when they decide to start the journey of learning how to place. Implants how how difficult implant dentistry really is because implant. Dentistry is not just from a special point of view and dentistry is not just placing the implant. Do non-compulsory That's it there's restore ability. There's a clues there's Quality of bone. There's so many other factors that you have to understand and learn you know and i think we've. We've become very dependent on. I did this surgically. I did a surgical guided case. It's supposed to be perfect now ray. Without understanding basics of surgery flat. Flat control suture techniques regeneration. There's so many other factors is not. Just here's a whole. Let me put that in. Let me put that at in there. That's the case. Then anybody could be doing it without and then everything will be perfect. That's not the case. There's so many other factors. Oh what about Systemic issues if you're uncontrolled diabetic if you're a smoker is so many other factors that i don't think talk about we just talk about looking my implants. We go to a conference. We talk about how beautiful my implants were. How beautiful my restoration. We don't talk about all the other factors that go along with it and failures. We don't ever talk about everything. I ever learn anything. I mean. one hundred crowns in a row and they all drop in. You didn't learn anything. You're just you're just on an assembly line. I mean i love it when the lecture shows especially the implants. I love when the lecture shows up and says hey i've been brexit twenty years. Here's my top ten nightmares failures at almost. Maybe jump off the empire state building and then he just learned so much. But it's always the opposites. Always like. I have no self-esteem. Here's the ten cases that i've been lecturing on for ten years and i'm going to come here and show my ten perfect cases and not even share with you. How i got the results. Because it's all i it's all about me and if they're high self esteem and i mean there are really high self esteem They they they just show their failures. And that's where all the learning takes place we talk about. Guest is the failures that we run into on a daily or weekly basis. That's right and what in another thing too is. It's funny how no one ever really mentioned that. No one understands period plant titus and how to actually treat it. I've gone to lectures. have gone to you meet. His one lecturer might literally say okay. This is how i. This is how i treat period plan tie and our later after. They're done another lecture comes on and says the complete opposite how cheap period titus and we don't discuss that at all you know we can be honest fifty fifty coin. Toss but we don't talk about that at all we go. This is a person that showed me this technique in a may work in a may not work in this person. You know so tide is another thing that's associated with implant placement. That don't believe we talk about host care post op care when it comes to payroll maintenance we talk about payton's we don't talk about that as much as we should again. These are things that we talk about on the podcast. This very honest about dentistry and what we need to do better. Well i'll tell you what what you just said that exact phenomena about why. We don't talk about i. You know when it goes back to. Why started dental town. I was published four times in the journal. American dental association and each time i got the issue. I'm reading and i didn't even know it was mine. I didn't even know i read it. And i'm i'm reading this because i wrote something real like we would be saying right now and they and then you call them and say well. What about this lack howard. We can't see that we can't do that. i all. I was told that no everything's going to be washed down filter. And when you're done. It was like dental economics. For twenty years. They had the first call and was like whoa by roger. Levin roger eleven took his latte all of his articles put them in a blender. Hit buzz for five seconds poured it out and it was the same sharon be be. Nice here staff. Oh i'm sorry. Was someone saying being asshole to you know. You should do everything he said. It's like okay. I've never heard anyone even say the opposite. So when you say. Oh i'm dennis should breathe twelve times a minute. They should make sure their heart is beating over fifty. And that's why podcasts are taking off. I mean dental towns up to now seventy five podcasts. Shows are now uploaded and some of these people have a million downloads from just the dental down app. And it's because if you wrote this up and send it to any dental magazine number one. They're gonna edits the six hundred number two. They're going to edit it so nobody's offended. I mean and then number three when they're done with it you just you just wasted all. Your time should just watch an nfl game. Hell run i. I'd rather watch a rerun than this. But i really think podcast is is Unfiltered and how many times you've been to seminar where you're listening to the speak. And he loses half the crowd lunch and by the third break were down to ten. And then when you're done you go to the bar to drink slater. He's given the best. End daunting tation. And i'll say well. I'll you didn't talk like that on the i asked this one guy asked. I said i asked you. What do you think that bill and you start drawn on about honor and then at the bar. You're like shit. no. I wouldn't use that. I can't get and it's like why don't you talk. like blue. real people talk to each other. Why did you think podcast is a more bigger licenses to be truthful politically incorrect. Don't like it is honestly the reason why we continued where we actually thought. Idea the podcast. Who cousin your cassie you. How legitimately honest were with everybody. That came on. If you didn't agree with that you said hey. This is my point of view. And it wasn't like anybody was gonna fight you cow. I don't always agree on a lot of the stuff that we talk about in the pocket. But it's good. It's not like we're going to hate each other dan. We're like this is my point of view. And this is your point of view discussion about you know what i mean. I just don't understand why we can't do that more often. Because you're probably when you listen to your pocket you'll get something out of it. And and i mean howard no matter what eight him or love him. You're going to be completely honest about how you feel. And i think that's what it should be. And that's what lecture should be. That's what should be. It shouldn't be so cookie cutter like becky said. Let me be politically correct about. Every it's i dunno and families are even might two older sisters went into the nunnery and their family members. That weren't all into this catholics. Okay so you're not into all the cats. She's still blood family. You see it now with politics. I mean it's like it's like democrats republicans can't even go to the same family reunion. It's like like is there anything more to your life than your political party and your church can't use go here and i mean your your family. You grew up. And i have no problem not believing or disagreeing with anybody when i have a problem is is when you're lying to me because you think i can't handle the truth and you're trying to dumb it down you're like well he howard's some bold far from arizona's auto wanna say and he told me what i wanna hear and that's why i never trust people that were seriously a tie because i always believe that when you have a high on its to keep the foreskin from coming up your head and your bed i take my money is like when willie nelson's on the night show. Everybody believes i mean. He already admitted he. Stone didn't pay his taxes and he's headed to jail. What the hell would he lie about within. The next guy is some politician with a suit. And tani's telling you what he's gonna do for america and you're like no you're not you're lying cheating stealing. I mean i have so little faith unease guys so nashua question absolute so the reason why you came up with the thirty day nba. Can you explain that. Because i actually loved it and i think a lot of people need to watch that on youtube. You know it really keeps it keeps dentistry this business dentistry really straightforward and very common sense allow people. Don't let me hire people for thirty thousand. Forty thousand dollars to be a consultant. Come into your office to tell you how how you could just do something. So basic as the thirty day nba. Craig this of you ever. Have you ever seen anybody Premium athlete with a personal trainer. Jim ever the personal trainers like their day. Turn some entertainer like you know some you know but the thirty day it was real simple. I bought my first laptop and ninety eight when i signed up for the issue. Nba and I was every monday and wednesday night from six to ten two classes. Six to eight eight to ten. And it was three trimester year so as to core courses so it was two four six twelve courses and i think that laptop and i just fired it up and it was a new thing back then and i just took notes of whenever it was about dentistry and then when they would do the class project you know they always want us to do on intel or dollar cisco and i'd say look i don't give a shit about cisco i get a dental office if and you had to break up and teams of five and said anybody my team free pizzas will meet at the restaurant or whatever the hell and so every every one of the classes team project was on my today's all and so i saw it as a two year sabbatical of getting away from the house. Your kids than intendo and after work going up to one night a week and i found that friendships and the camaraderie is about all these people from all these other businesses. I was taking notes. And then i was done. I had my notes. And i rented it out and it was thirty hours so i called it. The thirty day dental mba. And it was. What's really cool now. Is that was in ninety eight so now twenty years later they're free on youtube they're freer nights ends and everytime someone says oh i watch those man. I just loved him. I say with that was that was one thousand. Nine hundred. ninety eight aren't even born in ninety s. Does it still apply and say it's people are people geometry and people aren't going to change much in the next thousand years and i really enjoy that and i'll tell you what and then i halfway through my master's in public health too and i was really glad i was doing but then life just got too busy but what i love the most about continue education lately. Let's talk about pittsburgh. When you say pittsburg. Not only do. I think that terry bradshaw but i signed up for the madd and the f. gd and they said you had to take the break up. These these hours in like eight different areas. I told the guy said look. I'm not doing doing implants. I'm doing filling bridge. So i shouldn't have to take that and he's like no you have to. You know i was all mad. He's like howard. You need to be well rounded you need to cross train. Even if you're not gonna do ortho or implants you need to understand it. So then i go up there. And i'm looking for courses arizona at that time didn't have a dental nothing. And here's this university of pittsburgh and they got this guy had never heard of carl mitch. And he's got this seven three day weekend thing. And i saw was i can knock out all my requirements one place so i signed up i went in there and it would just love it i. I was the first thing carl said. Is this implants. He goes austin honest. I just didn't removable. And what pissed me off is when ever the implant guys oral surgeons their implants break. They'd always blame it on the implant. I'm looking. That's the worst bite i've ever seen. I mean you're blaming your aclu's atrocity on the poor guy making the implant and again so he was cross trained so he went to removable and then he went to fix and my gosh. I love that. But that's what i tell devastate. You gotta learn all the specialties enough to diagnosis and treatment plan now. It's funny the carl. I think it was a year or two before he had passed away. And i took went to a chorus doing another course i think academy of osteo integration. And they had the same been but they had his course in orlando so we got a chance to sit on his quarters and those amazing to me. How many dentists were asking the questions that he could answer. You could actually look in his book and get to answer to you know and it was amazing to me. I'm thinking to myself like why don't you just read the book. If you read the book you wouldn't be asking this. You could actually ask more in depth questions but instead you basically took a course to ask them questions that you could as in the book. Yeah the best value dentistry. I kind of look at these weekend courses of a personal trainer. I had two personal trainers for three years and they were the two hottest sexiest most gorgeous personal trainers key. 'cause i knew that would give me an abandoned the morning. You know what i mean. Say socio but it worked for me yet. You gotta know yourself. But i look at these courses versus the textbook. I mean you can buy a textbook for two hundred dollars and you can't read it in a week in comprehend it and then you go to a lecture. It's going like have you ever gone to a movie where you've read the book and when you're you know no one ever walks houses god. That movie was better than the book. A hundred percent of the time. The book was better than the movie. And you can buy a two hundred dollar book on endo or perry. Our pathways is appalled by stephen kohn. There's even that book on the. What was that book by a mitch. Not carl miss. Was it randomness on implant failures. Have you read that one implant implant failures By the michigan michigan. Is it randall. Mich- oh yeah. Yeah mish avoiding complications. And oral tall. G by randolph. For resnick and carly mitch. Okay so randall. Runs and yeah. I mean there's a six hundred page book for a couple of hundred bucks that i mean every page is just like wow and you can just do the time. I know dennis right here. Up the street in maricopa and he learned implants. He came home every night. He's married kids Humor or not just on his big screen just opened up youtube input dental implant surgery and just sit there every night for an hour. Doing his thing watching. And after one year of just random googling dental implants or on you to third place implants and and then when you go to these other countries that don't have the infrastructure don't have the the dental resources they all read textbooks and they'll buy a two hundred dollar textbook like this and nine guys read it at the same time so you can read your way to success. You can do everything low cost. But what i've noticed about dennis is will you read a two hundred dollar book and learn everything about implant failures now. I want to sign up for this. Three thousand dollar week They can't The always overspend on their house their car. Instead of two kids have four instead of going to the lake they go to mount. I mean most dentists. You can't even find one financial area where they live. Just at the median of america. They're always dentists. Physicians and lawyers are always over the top. And then they're stressed because they gotta make all this money for this lifestyle and it's like god dang minutes how do you get these kids with four hundred thousand dollars. suit loans. A live below their means. That's the i talk about. Uh actually follow your advice and lulu by me. I live in a double wide trailer. That's i put a house in a double wide trailer in my parents farm in in my hometown. So and that's more house than i need right now but it's very comfortable and i i completely agree with you. Our live below your means pay off your debt and it makes a lot of that financial stress getting calling you trailer trash. Kyle the podcast now. Yeah it's less. Clean less energy less. Just living below your means and i tell that to other dentists for the get all of sad when their kid did something at ruin the long the well if you got a house or a lawn where kid can ruin something buddy. That's all you get a two year old. Should not be able to ruin anything in your home right right. Now i agree. I agree me for me. I live like you said. I mean said the best i had a ramp for that was twelve years old. I lived in an apartment until i was able to pay my student. Loan solve after. The freedom is just narrative patient. And that's the problem. I don't think we're patient enough because we were promised this amazing lifestyle that but we don't know how people got to that level when i mean it's definitely not just coming out making one hundred fifty a spending like you make three hundred allow would realize that credit is not your friend all the time. I'm this is I can't believe we've gone over an hour long overtime rosza. But i wouldn't ask you a question i want to get. This is deadly incorrect. This we're gonna tell you the truth be told. Is they come out of school. Four hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt and those ada dues are a lot of money is at a return on investment or should you buy beer and bacon with that money. I think in to return on investment because especially we none of the pandemic coming and to have an organization like the ada that was Really fighting for dentistry when it comes to the government might came out the vp loans. The cares act grants the Trying to get the money forgiven they were really the only voice dentistry had in supporting us. a lot of our offices were shut down by the government and to have the ada fighting for us to be able to reopen to for them dealing with the department of health and and other things that that made me want to pay my dues a lot. More than i have in the past. I don't agree with that. I'll be honest with you. I the ada from me was when the pandemic hit it was actually. They went silent for a while. And that's just my personal and this is again coming down here in texas. I didn't hear much of anything it was just like. Oh well this is what the governor said. So we're going to do with the governor. Said it wasn't. Let's try to give facts to why dentists and even it's actually finally looking up today the barrio. If you go to dot org you'll see article that they basically posted that said the dentistry dentists. Have i think one or two transmission or positive over transmission and we've actually gone out of our way to basically reduce them admission of kobe that we were sterilizing. More went double masks and stuff like that. I don't think eighty had much due regard at all. I think dentist took it upon themselves to say i gotta make sure my businesses valid and open and to also reduce the zero a patient. I didn't see a commercial to patients. Saying your dentist is here for you when this is the reduction and this and this and that i didn't see anything like that. Yeah you made talk to your members but you didn't talk to the general population of dennis. They were quiet in my mind but again. This is colin. I differ uniting the biggest fear in my head is the government because there's nobody else can come in shot me down or ruin my business. They did they did they did. And and the aba nowhere to be found but they continue to advocate for us. My and that's why. I always loved his. You know i've always loved math. Physics chemistry biology dentistry history and I mean what anybody has read in five thousand years of history where the government was the good guy whenever i mean in history i mean it was like i mean you. Don't go to the zoo and say. Hey i think i'm gonna crawl in the cage with the lion but everybody always wants to run to the government when they have a problem and it's like i just wish they'd read one history book ever. It's just it's i mean even dentistry. I say the only reason we have people that can go to the dentist because the government board will stop anybody from motor city coming up here and setting up a dental office in guadeloupe. They would arrest them. Handcuff them. They put them in a cage deport them and then when they're done doing all that violence say well. We need more money for health care for the poor. So we're gonna confiscate sixty percent of your money and wages and if you don't pay that you're gonna go to jail. We're going to be going to set net cajun and it's like when you see will. Yeah have no problem raising the minimum taxes sixty percent. I'm like well. Thanks for at least shooting me stolen money than did you shoot me. But they don't even blink. And i i just wish. The millennials would Stop drooling all over themselves. Every time someone says government and roy's that they've never been your friend. I can't find any historical where they were on. The right side of anything i mean. How even prohibition eighteen and twenty one will in jail if you do it and then now we'll let you outage. I mean they're just they're just a nightmare but lifestyle. I figure the pyramids were made five thousand years ago. They didn't even figure that out to vegas in two thousand five hundred years ago. I figure we probably got twenty five hundred years to go to be a pretty good mathematical level and probably a full five thousand years ago before we comprehend half of this. What's going on. So i figure imagine being born during the last ice age. I mean no matter what you did with your life you could have really changed any events. And i just figure that. I'm living during the flintstone error. And you just gotta like barney and fred angle drinking with them and realize that you know it. Just it's just the flintstones. I mean you look at what anybody says. I mean half the things you hear anybody say is like dude a four second. Google search would crack that. I mean i can't wait to the iphone has a earphone. Google search satan. No that wasn't sixteen. Eighty two was it was seventeen. I mean i mean yeah. It's is crazy but a hey we're way overtime and i got a dentist sitting here. Wants to show me a new invention but love your show uploading your dental town yet. I think so. But i will definitely do better. I do better. I want to say we have one or two episodes but i can was not the rest on their show our wanted to say. Thank you for everything you do. You were i was in my residency of the hostile. And you and gordon christians came to bedford that the bedford springs. So tell us the very first continuing education that i went to and i've been following you ever since and i. It's an honor to be on this podcast with you. I'm surprised they didn't drop out of dentistry in switzerland tonight her chiropractic or something else for us. Thanks for the kind words. And i remember. I've lectured gordon a couple of times and That's always fun. It's a lot better. If i go first. And then he goes because if you follow the pope they hold you to to have a standard but They so much for coming on the show. Thanks for doing the podcasts. I think what you're doing. 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Ep. 212: Chad Mendes on the Fight, the Hunt, and the Food

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Ep. 212: Chad Mendes on the Fight, the Hunt, and the Food

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Creators of the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters download the hunt APP from the I tunes or Google play store. Nor you stand with our next Yanni tell man. You got to tell everybody about handful. Tell everybody about the egg rolls you made. The telesis had their nells for dinner. yeah for the first time. Maybe I don't know about that. I've eaten over at your house. Your wife's just never joined. You're she's always been out. I've just had you and the kids over. I think it was the first formal. Total retail is total rinella. Formal dinner sure was loud in there. Well our house not very acoustically friendly log cabin l. And we just don't have enough bears and lions and shit all the walls to dampen it down five kids in there. Yeah he's got a cold rolled sheet steel table. Which doesn't help now doesn't help either. But Yeah we're making fun if you don't know what fires it's basically a bowl of very hot broth that's traditionally made from oxtail used while game stock. Joe I'll point out. Yeah that's how you that's how you spell it. And then you add to the Stock. A bunch of very aromatic herbs You charge some onions. You charge ginger. There's Cardamom in their coriander of show missing a few. Get the idea very flavorful. A strong on the nose stock and the way it all comes together is yes. Some rice noodles. Yes some raw me then. You have some Garnish is like a mint. Leaves Basil Green Onions? Slice Galloping Yells Bean sprouts and you put the noodles in the meat into the bowl and then you take a big little of the Super Hot stock poured over the top overall. Yeah overall me and basically cooks it when you're in a Vietnamese noodle restaurant you can choose from all basically every cut of me out there and I'm guessing that some of them they must cook ahead of time a little bit but we just use like the tenders we just use back. Strap well yeah. He used his baby. Mousse got ran over on the road below. How do I walked port? What does that is that Baby Musette? Pale and we eat the whole thing. My Kid looks up. The hill beyond hausners abetted cow. Moose on the hill so we're like probably due the proximity. Eaten her baby as that can. I was on a hill and someone was eating my baby down the bottom of the hill. I would be pissed going. What does that brought? That brought smells like that. Was the mother that baby who knows. There's quite a few moves run around that drainage so I like to. I like to think it was not so you know we made some far and I thought you know far is just not going to be quiet because the kids are tend to be. Some kids are really into it my kids. It's like a fifty fifty depending on how they're feeling about how interested are going to be eating all that night. They Kinda flag the red the Romney. Yeah like home. What is kind of the attitude everybody has? Yeah the kids and again some nights my kids tear it up and other nights is not what they're feeling but so I thought well should make a little something extra and since we're going Vietnamese one of the other things. I love to eat. Vietnamese restaurant. Are these fried spring spring rolls that come serve with basically a big stack of lettuce. Leaves like whole lettuce leaves think alike a head of just leaf lettuce and they just separate them out big stack and also same thing and basil. Bean sprouts Jalapenos all that stuff and you take the fried spring rolls which basically it's like a skinny egg roll inside of it. I had the feeling was probably fifty percents Like a rice noodle soup a really skinny noodle that cooks so fast that you don't even actually cook it like boil like a traditional noodle what we do is just basically put into a bowl and then pour just boiled water over the top of it and just let it sit in there and for ten minutes or so and that's how you get the best consistency out of those rice noodles and then from there it goes into the hot ball soup but it also was part of the feeling for these fried spring rolls which also had like very finely chopped onions. Carrots cabbage Some rehydrated mushrooms fish sauce garlic couple other things and now all rolled up. Steve Fried and for me and I it was it was it. That'd be fat. Yes it was. Yeah how'd you like that double sized West and Friar Nice? No you can get some work done with a thing. Yeah I see kids. Eat Shit Man. Yeah we took him skiing. The next day for lunch is cold and before they touched anything else. There hot chocolate wasn't even drank and they'd polished off. I think five five six like I'm GonNa have to take notes on that one. Yeah Voice Chad Mundus. What's up baby ten month old? Yep got it. Yeah we First baby girl probably plan on having maybe one more wife's trying to do maybe two or three more but I think I'm good with one more. Stop it too we got. We got burned on three. We got. We're maxed out for a couple of years there now. We're in the clear but it got rough. My good buddies had one boy. And let's just you one more at twin girls got three now so now you have a girl are you sir. Are you hoping for one or the other for the second one I mean? I'm going to be honest here. I was hoping for a girl. I I've always just pictured myself. I'M A softy man. I you know people see me on this UFC fighter. I'm supposed to be this extremely tough. Dude I'm the biggest softer you've ever met like. I love having my girls you know and just I don't know something about being with the cuddle my daughter and and I'm hoping that she gets into the outdoor lifestyle and I'm hoping that she's into hunting and fishing and stuff like that. I'M GONNA do my very best to get it going in that direction. And obviously that's up to her but you know I I wouldn't be opposed either way. It'd be nice to have a boy and a girl but did you have a rough Relationship with your dad a little bit see I had. He may have had a very complex relationship. My my dad and it made me want a girl because I could do all that. Yeah from the other side. Sounds like if I have a girl hell the easy yup and I I mean I had a good relationship with my dad like he was always taking us to wrestling and do not but my dad was always kind of tough ass. You know and I don't know if maybe that's what it was but yeah I feel I feel good having a baby girl. I'm just excited about that so I did girl I is as well and when we were having our second one we waited. We didn't know and I ended up rooting to have another girl is because my thinking was owner. Dan Than Two half sisters. I see my wife and her sister and they got a strong relationship. I can just look at me and my siblings and I don't WanNa say I'm really that were close to my brother and my sister but a little bit you know it'd be nice if you know Mucis so we ended up with. Yeah Oh nice. And they're tight. See that would be awesome. And I grew up in a household. Shall we had eight people living in my house when I had too many people living in your house so my mom and my dad had me and then they split up when I was young. And then my dad remarried and my mom remarried. Obviously my mom. That wasn't part of this but the woman he remarried had a Boina girl already and then he had two boys and a girl with her to all of us were living in one house. Had Lots of brothers had cost you. Yes My Dad. Got Custody of me and and that's what I'm saying like I probably shouldn't make the statement. I had a horrible relationship with my dad or anything but we were close we. He got me into wrestling when I was five years old and wrestled shed every year all the way through college and then jumped right into fighting so my dad coached me all the way up through up through high to high school. It was actually your your coach into high school yet. Once I got to high school he backed out and let the highschool takeover ain't no. We were talking to another athlete Bo Jackson and I was surprised to hear Bo Jackson say that he wouldn't want a kid to play football. Really would you want your? Would you want your daughter to go into UFC? I know I thought you were GONNA say wrestling. You've seen no not a chance What is it about it? It's one of the main reasons why I got out of it. You know Jason Harrison good. I'm good buddies with them. The whole city thing scares the shit out of me. I feel like obviously with boxing thing. You're getting knocked down and you know you're basically getting flashed knocked out and then getting back up and count it off. I'm back and then get flashed. Knocked out again. You're saying inbox in boxing. You know so obviously. Usc Fighting's not that way you get flash knocked out and the guy on you and finishes you. That's it you know but we box part of our training so I'm still doing the same shit in the ring. You know ten weeks out before a fight or taken repetitive blows to the head. Where if I get my Bell Rung During Sparring? We stop it for a second and we're all too damn hard headed to be like. I'm done like let's keep going jump back in there. You know there's a lot of in my opinion a lot of damage that happens it. The sport is so young that we haven't really seen the long term effects of and I want to own your own sex. I want to bring people might not know because we talked about Jason Harrison. So I WANNA make sure people track or you talk me is Jason Harrison. Who's one of the founders of CITCO longtime ago Yes yes and then founded q? The hunting apparel company but he had been a high-school college football player yet winner the NFL. Never play in the NFL but went into the NFL. Practice fell by had a number of concussions and a little over a year ago yeah took his own life and had observed crate me. If I'm wrong any of this but had talked about in interviews and mentioned his concerns about Traumatic brain injury And that he he would. He worried that he saw things in his personality and saw things in the way he responded to things yet mu nailed it made him like wow is that is that me and then again in a way that was inexplicable to a lot of people around him Killed Self Yep and he I mean he had everything I mean. Beautiful Family Beautiful Kids. You know very successful company when like when we would go on hunts. He's I remember Multiple Times. You know sun coming up. We're getting on a duck hunter or something and he'd look over at me and just be like dude. This is like this is living a dream like we're working right now. It's like fuck you takes you back and you're like dude you're right like this is awesome. Multiple Times. I know he had those moments of him like he knew he had the life. Like you know what I mean. He knew everything was good but he had talked to US multiple times about him knowing that he had cte like he knew it like you know they had a family plan like ten year. Plan stuff like that. This was something that they knew. Zuhra was was a serious thing and You know it's just kind of a bummer. And for me like I have teammates that over the last should I fought for eleven years and from the beginning to the one I just I just retired last December but I can see them changing. You know there's certain people on our team where we they take a beating in the gym training and they take a beating in the fight when they get in there. And it's like dude. You GotTa Stop. One of the that you see speech like a lot of the Times. You're just like where you what are you saying. Like they're talking to you and they start jumping around also not like it's not annunciation. Sorta like the logical. Or there's some of it is. I mean you gotta go like Chuck Ladele. I don't know if you've ever talked to that. Sometimes I'm like I don't know what you're saying and you know I don't know I didn't know chuck before my college career. So who knows? Maybe he's always been that way but there are certain guys where they're talking and you're like I don't know what's going on and then also just mood swings like there's certain guys that during during training camps. I mean. This is probably understandable. But they'll they'll just flip out like sometimes not going their way and they throw shit and storm out you know. And I know that's That's a symptom. Just not being able to control emotions. You know and Shit just gets out of control factor into your decision to retire big time you know. I had my first baby girl. Here's how I looked at the whole game. I came out of college and I told you I like look I. I'll fight. I'M GONNA I try this out if I absolutely suck at it. I'M GONNA go get a real job. Ended up being good at it and I said Okay and this is this is what age how shall I think it was twenty two or twenty or so right? Outta call graduating college I Gotcha But you don't during college. No I just wrestled so five so you had. There was like a transition from wrestling. Yeah you're so when you say you to know if you're good at it you mean to know if you're good enough to make that jump approached by somebody to say. Hey you should try this out or is it just something that was happening in your account like guy got some you're looking at people on TV and stuff being diabetic. Kick his ASS. No I mean for me. It was your favorite. I don't know. Do you know who that is. The California Kid He was know the name but he was kind of the pioneer for the lighter weight. Guys you're going to be disappointed knowledge base on this. It's real interesting to me but excuse me for not knowing. I'm I'm the same way I get it no so your idea. Wrestled at UC Davis. So I knew through the wrestling community. My wrestling coach cal poly would put on a six week camp every summer up in. Tahoe and he would bring us in as like counselors and like people that would mentors stuff like that and he brought favor in as well and so at that time I was. I think it was my freshman summer going into Sophomore Year in college. Favor was there and he's getting ready for one of I think he had fought. Maybe two or three times. We was getting ready for his first championship. I and he kept hurting all the other wrestlers because he was doing Jujitsu like submissions and stuff. None of us knew what we're doing and so nobody wanted to train with him and he's like man. I have to work out like I got to fight coming up. I gotTA train me. They're going to have to go back to Davis and start working out or I get you know. I don't know what to do and I'm like I'll train with you. I don't know what the home doing so I jumped in there. And we trained together for the rest of the time he was there but he like pulled me aside and he's like dude. I think he'd be really good at fighting. If you WANNA give it a shot after college he's like I have a gym in Sacramento. He's like I have a spare bedroom in my house. If you just crash there until you get a few fights under your belt and you had some money in your account and I'm like well Shit I'm I'll give it a shot. You know like like I said worst case I suck at it and I'll just go get a real job so we kept in touch. Aw All my college career and day graduated that next day through all my shit and a U. Haul and moved up to Sacramento Nauru. Yeah moved my stuff and do a spiritual coach Kinesiology so studying how the body moves. Just a lot of that actually helped out my career lot a lot of the nutrition classes and just understanding that type of stuff but yeah so I throw my shit in his spare bedroom and that same day I went and jumped into to to pro sparring basically so they put the stupid funny looking headgear on Ya. The sixteen ounce boxing gloves xinguar sixteen ounce glows just to keep each other from knocking each other out which they're still guys they got knocked out wearing those. But you just have these big pillow gloves and I have no clue what I'm doing. I started beat ninety dollars heads. I'm watching these guys. I'm sitting on the sideline and these guys are like trying to kill each other. You know and I'm like what the hell did I get myself into? Caged like what we how cage like bureau used the term cage fighting anymore and they do it was like a rebranding navy so a lot of people getting fused on on the sports intimate may mixed martial arts is the sport. That's like football and then. Ufc is like the NFL so So people sometimes get asked do you do you fight 'em like do you fight in the? League? Ma I'm like I fight in the UFC. I do fight the sport of infamy I used to be or maybe there are still other. Ufc's right no so there's only one you know other things ahead the same function. Yeah so the Octagon and Shit. What was that yeah? That's what it is. You see still an octagon. It's so there's different organizations so like Bela Tor is another organization so the of the UFC which is like the top of the top. I'd say probably tours right underneath it and then one is a new one that just opened up in Asia. I'd say those are public your three biggest right now But the sport is mixed martial arts so everyone that's fighting in those organizations is fighting mixed martial arts. It's just what organization are you sent? Yeah sure from the old days like when do wrestlers came out of this more successfully than boxer? Ellia is better to be a wrestler. I think so mainly because in my honest opinion it's body awareness like someone they can learn how to move in put their body in certain positions naturally without having to think about it versus someone. That's just standing straight up trying to punch you like those wrestlers. Get THOSE GUYS DOWN. And it's game over. You know if they don't know what to do on the ground it's pretty easy you can't it's hard to punch someone from your back so it makes sense. Yeah what year did you do your first? Ufc FIGHT UFC so I signed with the WBZ which was world extreme cage fighting which was owned by the same company that owned the UFC. So that was a farm league for the UFC or for the lighter weight guys. They did like thirty one. Thirty five one forty five and one fifty five and that was it. I believe I take that back. They had a few other way classes but the the majority of it was like to put some light on the lighter weight classes because the UFC started at one fifty five and up. So I don't I really don't understand why they did that in the beginning but they eventually just realized this is dumb and they just merged the two does that all the weight class exactly uh-huh so now the UFC just goes from the small class up to the the biggest own one organization. What was your wake less? One forty five and so my senior yes man. What am I got like seventeen eighteen pounds all right well? That's actually what I ask you like a week. Yeah before you fight Steve. I'm actually seventy five going to the gym so much. I'm starting look like Jaylo about. Oh you weren't continue down the the career path here. Oh Yeah Yeah so you went from spare bedroom on a on a sparring team yet was for somebody or yes so our team was team Alpha male. So that was your I your. I put together this team. This is the dream of his that he wanted to build this. Imi team like nobody had done before. And he started recruiting all these wrestlers and we just talked about favorite had. The same entirely like wrestling is the best base so he started getting all these. Ncwa wrestlers and pulling us all in and we all came together and built team Alpha male. And we were. We had coaches like. So you have your striking coaches your strength conditioning. Coaches your Jujitsu like submission stuff type coach coaches And so you have this one stop shop where you can just do all your discipline training and one location And that was kind of unheard of back then when it first started like most guys when they were getting ready for a fight they have to jump over this gym and just do their submission stuff. Then they'd have to jump over this gym and do their strength and conditioning and then over here for striking so this was kind of like a kind of a new thing. New Era was like a revenue share model. And nearly. What makes the team team? So yeah so. We all paid a percentage of our fight per se to compensate all the train. Exactly so that's how we divvied it up and everybody paid for all the coaches and everything And and just how everybody pitched in But yeah so we would train We have all these now. Trading partners all one location so I got guys that were in favour was world champion at out at that time. training with straight out of college with some with the World Sheelah. Multiple world champions learning the ropes. And how to fight and like all the techniques and Did that for three months. And what was that Supportive atmosphere like were they invested in you and in getting a Improved yeah for sure. And that's what was so cool about that team. It was felt just like a bunch of brothers like everyone came from that. Ncwa mentality like the wrestling mentality because it a little bit of shared his exactly. We all knew each other and we all wrestled against each other or on the team. Some of US In College and so coming together everyone you know it was. It was really cool. Everyone's pretty close. Everyone's helping each other out for facts and I did that for three months before I had my first pro fight and I still remember. This guy's name was encarnacion was his last name. He had a wiffle ball bat for leg. One leg was like I don't know what the hell happened. Maybe he got an accident as a kid but he was really high class kickboxer. And so you know he's jacked everywhere as other legs all Jackson. He has one really skinny leg. All the way from the top to the big BURSAR yellow plan just yeah yellow red cow and I remember going out there and I I was like what do you mean. Like because it had been specially developed it atrophy. Instead it must have been some I think he I don't know if it was a birth defect or if you've got an accidentally said but there was like not a lot of muscle on it but holy Shit that Heathrow that sucker he would like head kick people knock him out with that thing just bone. Oh yeah and so I remember going coaches so watch out who trained a lot for that. And he threw that thing at me in the first fifteen seconds and I moved and I remember just wizened by my head and I'm like dude you cannot get hit with that thing never been a when I was a little kid man you ever like a Chicago. Bears had their big deal where they won the superbowl fridge. Perry and all that I've ever like is like probably the last sports interview others do was a fridge. Perry was Tumba while he liked black shoes. He said the people see those black shoes. They think you're going to be slow smoke that leg. He's like Oh Yeah Dude. Ever like not paying any attention to that leg and also cold has the man because I I remember watching highlights of that guy and just like studying up on them before a bottom and he had multiple head. Kick knockouts with that thing. That thing is brutal could you win I one? I took them down getting kicked damn thing. I took them down and choked him out. And like I don't know for a couple of minutes you know and I remember getting up just feeling so pumped like this is. This is pretty frigging cool. I just got paid to beat somebody up. And that's good money right. Yeah I mean yes yeah. College was only a couple of Grand. But you know going from no no money as a college student to a couple of grand in a couple of minutes. I'm like sign me up to the second you turn. I remember like Selami First magazine stories. The second you turn something is generally cost you money into something that makes you money as a triumph. Feel so good reverse. You like soccer. What what made like someone that self describes themselves as a softy what may be be like be pumped up about beating somebody up. I think it was more of just a success thing. I was so nervous going into it because I didn't know how the Hell is going to do. You know coming off of wrestling. I was I was the main and wrestling. Ncwa runner up two time. All American and in college and Tom Liaqat. I got a lot like. There's so much pressure. People are expecting me to come in here and do really well. What if I go out there and get head kicked and knocked out by that wiffle ball bat and so there is just for me? I remember feeling super nervous like I remember walking. Because at that point it wasn't a cagey wasn't an octagon. It was a boxing ring. I remember walking you know and it was basically in my hometown. I had tons of people that I knew from high school and growing up watching me. And I'm like man I can't please. Don't screw this up and And so I went out there and was successful in a couple of minutes and I just remember just being like uh yes that was freaking awesome like I wanna do it again and I think that's one of the main reasons it's just the success part of it like the feeling the relief all the hardware knowing that you just killed yourself for that whole training camp to go on there and within a couple of minutes you know not getting beat up at all and Just being successful so you probably people ask you. This is annoying. But did you get a lot of fights and your kid got in a few. Yeah not not because I chose you. I was a tiny little guy like. I was eighty pounds my freshman year in high school like I was so small. No Shit Yeah. Until like my whole life I got picked like I would get picked on and then I would just like guys would come up to me thinking that they were just going to bully me and like I say I started wrestling five years old. So did you grow up poor like in a poor neighborhood. No not too much. I grew up on a little farm town Donald Clayton and beat each other up. I don't know it's just a fight in town yeah. There is a lot of Guinness to like. It's a farm town but there's also because doesn't California. Yeah I know what you mean like. It's hard to picture. But there's a kind of a weird. There's like agricultural areas in California that it's different than Aguirre in Indiana. Like things are kind of work oppressed like worlds collide a little bit. Exactly we had such a melting pot of races and just you know tons of different types of people there. You got one side of the town. It's all the farmers who like you said the AG people and then you go over here and it's You know low class just pretty ghetto. People that are living a rough life you know and then you go on this side and you got people with tons of money you know living in these big mansions you know and so it's Kinda just a mix of a little bit everything man I just. I remember as a kid being terrified reading the school bus because it we'd have people that were fighting on. I didn't like fighting like it's not something I sought after as a kid but there would be people picking on other people the time getting fight and it was not something I enjoyed. But it's how old you thirty four. Yeah twelve years older than you but longer reach more at all. It's even another advantage. I have right My kids now in school so five. Seven and nine in the La- The intolerance these days at school of people like beating people up and it's just like it's like you don't beat people up and you don't believe people. I remember things happening when I was a kid like on the school bus. The I just can't even imagine now. Oh yeah there was. I don't want to say the kids names. He's still around and I WANNA say the girl's name because she's still around but there was a girl would ride our school bus and she'd get off the school bus. This is in junior high. Get off the school bus. And as she walked up her driveway the same kid every day would roll down the windows in yellow caller repeatedly. Hey Thunder thunder thunder thighs every single day. You couldn't do that this thing like just to have it be though. He's just harassing her about the shape of her body. No big deal. Yeah Dude and like the just the brutality that kids get away with this amazing kids are I remember. She's an awful man. A real lord of the flies. Kinda Kinda you gotta like govern kids man I agree. And that's I'm I'm kinda terrified. I mean this day and age with all social media stuff and where we've come as a society like I'm terrified for my baby girl. Like what. What the Hell is going to be like when she's in high school you know like what am I gonNa have to do? How many kids are GonNa have to beat to keep her safe you know? And that's that's just something I'm terrified but I think that's why we need to have another sibling and hope that you know it either to girl and they're really close or boy they can just whoops amass so daughter screwed something up on the boss and down which I don't I still don't understand the full story but She can get on the Boston the right way but we heard from a teacher that my little boy went into her class. You just read the riot act about no way. How were you was there? That's cool toward right in front of everybody. He did not like it. That's so what was your introduction to hunting and fishing young the young so I started hunting and fishing grew up here in central California black tail up in D. D. Seven was the zone. I grew up hunting your shaver lake and Dinky Creek in me and my dad and my brothers. I don't know what it was. They were never as into it as I was budgeted. Dead get into it. I think just through. Somebody's grown. You know not not even grown up. I think it was kind of later in life but I I mean I remember just having this this weird like I would hunting to me was like one of my most favorite things to do like I remember. Here's a story like me and my brother. My Daddy Salako like discipline us with hunting. Like you're not going hunting and I would ball kid like I remember. You are going hunting. You know you're not going hunting and I remember so this one story. I had this kid. He would use it as like a weaponized. I think that would work very well with your son. Oh God oh boy boy. He's sensitive to he would like to get excluded but yeah yeah I don't I. I remember one time my brother I I was probably six or seven and my dad was a Friday he just My Dad owns a cabinet business. So he would. He's obviously self-employed. But he'd be like look after Friday or sorry after we're done Friday Saturday morning we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go. It's like a two hour drive before daylight and we're GONNA hunt Saturday all day Sunday and come home Sunday night. So you guys it overnight. Yeah camp and do all that stuff really okay. And he was he was pretty like us into it he was into it as a kid. Like no we take tents and shit and yeah which I don't. Yeah that's another story but I remember I had this like star-shaped metal that I wanted to wrestling tournament and I took the ribbon part off so it was just a star That was my Ninja Star. Me and my brother in our bedrooms playing. Ninjas that Friday night. At the DRYWALL window my brother. I was in my room and then it was just an empty doorway and then he was in the other room and I don't know why did this but I tossed it and I remember that one of the Star Ledger sticking in the window. Just like breaking whole sticking it just shattered around the edge and I mean these were pretty big windows in our in our house you know and I just remember being like. Oh Shit like don't tell Dad. Don't Tell Dad Mike I run in and I'm like trying to figure out a way to like keep it covered from him. Finding and of course like shortly he comes up there to see what we're doing and there's a free can hold on the window and he lost his shit and needless to say we're not going hunting tomorrow and I. I didn't sleep on that. I was so bummed you to cry like I cried. I think we just went to bed right. Then because I was so upset and I think overnight. My Dad realized it was an accident and he's still got US up before Mel. I remember him coming in in the dark and loudness up in the in the truck and we headed up. But did you guys have some success? Kids yeah I mean I kind of I killed my very first buck up there. It was with my old. Pse Nova. I saved up My in highschool saved up enough money to like I would mow lawns around our neighborhood and I bought a used. Pse Nova From Buddy and I killed my very first. It was just a little tiny forks bike Frontal shot clean pass through and me my brothers and my two brothers and my dad went down. We've found them fall down. This real deep deep canyon got to the bottom and my dad was like all right. So we'll this showed us how to do all that he's like. I'm going to hike backup and I'm going to get the truck and I'm going to try to find a way to come down here because we're not pulling this thing. Backup out of here. My DAD GETS LOST. And so we're just like what the hell do we do? We're sitting there in the dark with a dead deer. My Dad is like wandering through the woods at night and luckily we like drug that thing out and another hunter sauce or loaded it up and we just told them how to get back to our camp and my dad was out there for most of the night finding his way back to the truck. Eventually and then I don't even remember what timing back maybe two two or three in the morning but yeah. That was a little bit this. Let's shoot again great but Yeah I mean I. I was successful in and like growing up. I was thinking about this not too long ago but my dad never really killed anything. I don't know if it's just him always trying to let us go. I I killed out one. My brother's never killed anything and I think my dad killed one other little two point Years down the road And that was pretty much it. I think we only killed two two or three deer in that area from when I started as a little kid till I stop putting up there which was basically after college. Does she have other kind of stuff? You didn't like haunting you know. Bb gun hunting. Yeah Yeah Yeah grew up doing all that In fishing fishing spot. Yeah there was a lot of good trout fishing up in that area. We would go up there and sometimes pull overnighters where this was like one of my favorite things to do where we'd go up there. No tent no nothing And there was one spot if it was a full moon when the moon would come up and over the the the hill in front of us those trout would go nuts on a glow bobber in a cricket nora so we would just go out there and just sit and wait. Sometimes mood wouldn't come up till like midnight and you just sit there. Nothing would bite until then and you know everyone's Kinda starting down like well. Maybe we're just not gonNA catch anything and sure enough as soon as our full moon would come up and over. We would limit out on. 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Was I really had to put the outdoor life on hold because he was going to be successful off no and it was tough for me man. It was really tough for me. In fact I almost quit wrestling my freshman year in college. I remember going through the full season and having to cut back on what I loved absolutely love to do probably more than anything And I was just trying to find myself like is this something. I really WANNA pursue. I could just go to college and be a normal person and do all the things that I love to do. As far as the outdoors goes then you got that one buddy whose always calling you being like man. We knocked him Marie Bark. Here's Dave Got Yup and so it was brutal man. I almost quit and luckily I had a really good coach in college and we sat down and he just kind of weighed out the pros and cons and it kind of just put things into perspective for me on. Look I can suffer now I can kill myself for these four years and you know be successful and have something to where I can transfer out of college into making money and be able to do all that stuff for the rest of my life and so after like really like thinking about it and putting that type of stuff in perspective I said are I stuck with it. Had to keep all that stuff on. I would still get out from time to time like so. I went to cal. Poly which is right there in your PASA. Robles tons of wild pigs in that area. So we'd go out from time to time and do some pig hunting. You know but for the most part my deer hunting pretty much. Everything got put on hold for four years for four years. 'cause you went professional exactly but what's great about. The fight game is fights. Fights can happen at any time of the year. It's not like a season so I might get a fight scheduled and this happened quite a few times right right before dis start so I would kill myself. Do the ten week training can't go out there. Whoop disputes and now. I usually take like a good two to three weeks off judge and let my body recovered depending on if I had any injuries or anything like that and so then that would be my hunting time. Yeah time to start getting all the time to yourself. There was a point in my career where I started to lose control and started doing a little bit too much of outdoor stuff and I could tell my training sorta suffer. I was in the in the training room. I was filling it. You know getting tired when I shouldn't get tired. You know and another person that actually sat me down was your idea was like look man. He's like I see you're starting to struggle a little bit. I see you're on all these hunting and fishing trips. Maybe we should cut that back. A bit Yeah and it's funny. 'cause you're performing at such a high level that stuff like that regard 'cause like for most people who are still sedentary that was sort of like their game you know. I mean it would be like. Oh you look great. You seem like you're getting out. You know a little more energy now but to have it be that that is like the slack around. I know right. It's kind of weird. I mean the thing I think the things that made me Kinda feel crummy in the in the workout room and say you do a hunt where you're not eating a ton of calories where my body's. I'm used to being a very strict routine when it comes to diet like making sure I get enough food and the right kind of food where you're living off of freeze dried mills and just eating kind of minimal stuff for four or five six times a week. You know and I'm not Yom hiking but my body's used to redlining you know multiple times a day so it's almost like taking a step back which is which was good from time to time like right after after just killing myself for ten weeks. That's perfect. You know. Maybe not so much calorie part of it but not killing myself. Not redlining my body where. I'm just hiking around glossing sitting for a while my body's recovering but you know two three months of that it kinda catches up and I would feel it when I get in the in the gym and start training when I start sparring with guys and I'm getting fatigued and stuff like that. I'm like all right. It's time I did listen to favor. I cut back a little bit started. You know overcoming that type of stuff in the training room luckily didn't ever affect any of my fights because I was usually pretty smart about like if I have a fight. I have to be serious here but sometimes you know I would fight one time of year. You know so. I've got tons of time that I'm just like training. I don't really have a purpose. I don't have anything lined up the. Us's put me Kinda on the shelf for now. They're waiting for a certain match to happen. And then I fight the winner of that Fi. So I'm just like kind of training for nothing not training for nothing but but way more motivated when you know exactly yeah and so I kind of get those types of years where it's like Shit. I'd rather be out chasing black tail or something you know. And so that's why would be. Kinda doing that for two or three months at a time and and I would fill it in there but did you know got to host a lot of questions. But scrapped the digitized later Do you think like based on the kind of person you are. What you realize about yourself now. Do you think you'd have been successful anything or do you think you just happened to hit the thing you'd be successful at. I think I probably would find find a way to become successful at. I'd anything I would. I would like to tell you that it was like a drive to like do it. Yeah whatever it is that comes from years of wrestling I. I know like in in college like during the summer. If I just didn't train if I went like two weeks of training I'd feel like the biggest piece of shit. I just feel like guilty almost just so used to doing everything doing something every day and I think even now that transfer is into my daily life Blake. And I'm running fins and feathers. If if I don't tell you what it is so that we didn't do a good job of sutton at all. So that's a company me in a good buddy of mine started back in two thousand fifteen What we call. It is like a celebrity outdoor service. So we put together like a year long schedule of different species of hunting trips all over world And fishing as well mixed in there and what we do is we have like twenty different celebrity pro staff members which are a bunch of different. Ufc fighters pro ball players actors. Pbr Guy is just a mix of different types of athletes and celebrities you see on TV or watch playing their sport and what we do is we put clients on those trips and then we add one to sometimes even three of our celebrities to join people on these trips hosting role exactly. And they'll hunt with you. They fish you hang out and camp have some beers till stories like just make it a new Like unique experience. Because there's a lot of guys that have booked a ton of different things all over the place and they kind of get to that point where they're like. This is just kind of boring for me now. And so now they can kinda mix it up or we get a lot of like Bachelor party guys like for our fishing trips. Okay come hang out with a bunch of different guys drink beer and catch fish and you know what I mean and so we launched back in two thousand fifteen sixteen our first full year and I honestly I had no clue how it was going to do like I I was like. Is this going to be kind of a conceded like are people going to look at me and be like a year and eighty book and Shit with you or people are going to love it and want to come? Do these cool hunts with me or some of my buddies and we sold out like every trip that we had that year we sold out completely and I'm like we. We gotTA grow. We gotta add some trips for next year. That was too easy. If you if you look this up its fins. I with Z'S F. I N. Z. Looking at Chad's hat right and feathers Z. As well so people have been imagined by the time they type in Chad Mendez fins at a little auto fill. Yeah hopefully But yeah so we. We just basically added from from two thousand sixteen on. We've just added a few trips each year. And we've sold out everything that we've done so it's been. I mean it's pretty. It's pretty for me to know that people eight just want to hang out with these guys but you know taking something that I have so much passion about hunting fishing teaching people. We get a lot of guys that have never hunted. Never fish that. Watch your show a ton and you know they see Rogaine they see cam they see all these guys who are going out and you know killing their own meat and living off of that you know for me like being able to talk about that in interviews and I was fighting like look I live off of the my wild game like my training camps. The meat that I eat during those camps is all the stuff that I've killed throughout the year or even wondering why Lego super regimented diet. You're still putting wild game and now that's like any any diet that I've so I I work with our P strength. Who is a? It's a program that will create your diet as well. So that's who I use. What used to my training camps? But all the thing. I don't understand what it's like a consulting yeah basically like you give them all your Info Your goals you know obviously weight height all that type of stuff and I tell them okay. I have a fight in ten weeks. I need to get down to this way. But I don't WanNa lose much muscle so we need to get as lean as body. Fat Lean as possible while keeping as much muscle as I can. So that when I cut that last ten pounds of water I'm not dying. And so then they put together a full diet plan for your training camp knowing how much you're training how much you know working out. You're doing each day. So what level of detail? Pretty Shrieking detailed peanut maybe not quite down to the peanut where we're talking like Like a meal would be like a four ounce lean piece of meat which any wild game is is okay for that A forty five grams of complex carbs. So like your whole oats Brown. I calm down to the peanuts. Hey okay onto the peanut. Then I mean it's a lot of freaking work dude. It's I mean meal. Prepping is a must like you can't you? Can't they'll have a dial and you follow this thing and you'll get like yeah and are you doing your own meal. Prep and cooking. Yeah cooking all the time I love it. You don't have someone come in and do it. No I wish but I'm too picky with my food. Man I I love cooking I love. Here's here's how much I love it when I'm cutting away the week of the fight. I'm in my hotel room. I have Wayans in two days and I'm sitting there watching the food channel watching these people all these delicious as like. Oh I'm GONNA make down. I'm so frigging insane. Like why are you watching this? I don't know it just feels good to me. Tell me what can I? Don't know this kinesiology kinesiology you say this in college. And then you went to like the highest level in terms of nutrition and body performance like professionally when you look back at it all now like your formal education everything you learned from Washington. The world's top athletes getting the best shape they've ever been in. What is your sort of interest and tolerance and Fad diets and stuff? Like I do do you. Do you think there's a magical formula and are you is like trying new things out or do you think there's just like what's your Diet theory. Your Diet Philosophy. Yeah I've never. I don't think I've ever tried any of these fad diets. I see a lot of people doing a lot of different things and teach their own. I mean if I feel like every human body is different. I think somebody's will will be okay getting away with doing certain things where other people's bodies will not put up with it. I honestly think find what works best for you. Some people could live solely off meat and nothing else and Phil Great. Some people only want vegetables and that works great for their body me. I've always been about balancing everything like I. I love carbs. I love vegetables and I love meat like I. My my solid meal is a protein a car and vegetable and whether I'm cutting weight or not like even during the weight cut like I would always make sure I had that type of those through things. So like my those are mills would be a sailor said a four ounce lean piece of meat so like a. Denison steak and I would have to weigh those out. I'm forty five grams of CARBS. So like forty five grams of brown rice and like two cups of Broccoli or my favorite thing would be Cucumbers with a little bit of rice wine milligram. Uh-huh just kinda mix it up a little bit and as your weight cutting man. That was something that I lived off of for ten weeks. Obviously I'd mix it up and towards the end of my career. I started getting really creative with it. because you can get away with like they have whole wheat. Tortilla sale. You know and I can do. Four ounces a ground lean venison holy Tortilla or however many. That would make up what I'm supposed to eat. And you know you can get away with making like Tacos or make a little Pego guile salsa or something that's all veggies and so I know I need this amount of vegetables this amount of protein this amount of carbs throw that together now. Now I'm eating something that's not boring. I would eat that anyways you know and so I would start getting creative towards the end Mainly because I was kinda getting bored of eating the same things over and over and when you're hungry like that just like punching someone did I get angry bad I get really. Yeah I get really emotional when I get hungry. Zero patient and my wife could probably attest to that too. But yeah man. It's I get really irritable. You guys is. I just know I get so irritable you can watch Steve. Really give them a snake. What's your take on alcohol? I drink it yeah I mean in moderation obviously like nothing through training camps. I would never drink but that night after the fight. I'd I'd let loose like we'd we'd get a little stupid loose for sure. So what about go ahead? Oh all your meal. Prep is that what led into cooking for you or have you always been kind of tinkering with cooking through college and stuff. No I think I the cooking's always been something that always interests me and my my dad was always the one that cooked in our family And it was something that I remember watching him have so much passionate about and I think I don't know if that's just what transferred over to me or what but I love cooking for people. I love cooking for large groups like our feathers trips. I'm usually the one cooking. Most of the mills like If I work with an outfitter I'll even ask them like at least cook one of the nights you know and so we'll go and do that for the clients but his on on instagram. You know there's a lot of people who are like look at me I'm cooking and you can look at it and you're like you do not cook but when you're doing knows how to do things yeah and I'm pro by any means. I even sometimes make stuff where I'm like. What the hell did I do but I mean in my honest opinion. That's how you get to learn. I mean I'll follow a lot of recipes and sometimes I'll tweak things Where I feel like it would add to it. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it does not but I love doing it something I especially with so so much wild game meat that I have like. You guys probably know this. You get bored of cooking at the same frigging way over and over again so I'm always like Oh this is your night. Yeah something new. Yeah because I remember my brother Danny lives off while game his home and when he goes to someone's house he's like I just love it because it just tastes like I didn't make much after a while just kind of say. Yeah and for whatever reason when someone usually when someone cooks something whether it's something you've made or they've made it tastes better when somebody else makes it for you like it's the sandwich effect like I can make a sandwich and eat it and it just doesn't taste the same but my wife makes me a sandwich. It tastes ten times better for some reason. I don't know why the hell that is but I especially if it conforms to your food ought to be We've talked about this in the past. He like these very fitness centric. People some handsome don't but it's like the one thing that binds them together as the boneless skinless chicken breast and on my. I don't care how healthy you are. That is a bridge too far. Yeah no I agree man. I'm someone that will definitely stray from the health stuff. I've always tried to make things not over the top unhealthy. But I'm a sucker for good eats man all I'll throw some heavy cream in their dow some cheese in there and like I'm not afraid to my my wife doesn't always like it. She should've wild game. Oh yeah she loves it. In fact she actually. I kind of got into hunting. The last few years she's Kill the wild pig on that ranch. That told you about She's she's killed a couple Turkeys. She killed a four year Turkey her very first time. I said you might as well just quit. Now you're not going to beat that but She killed one with her bow. Which was like the pinnacle of my career. Because I like I scouted these suckers. I got it all set up and I just was like I just want you to try to kill 'em with your bow and for the first three setups. She was trying to use the guillotine brought heads and she missed Three different jake at like eight yards And she was getting so frustrated. 'cause that's binary right with all either like a killer and that's why. I did it because I'm like I would hate for her to hit one wounded and that's not find her at fly off and I know that would probably scar and so I'm like you're either GonNa end this thing right now. You're going to have yeah. I guess there's little room to Nicot but June. It's like a and she missed three times and you know. Shit. We're getting up at like three in the morning and we're having to drive an hour each time and you know getting set up waiting for the sun to come up these things work and then she misses and she's like I think the third time it almost broker jasmine doesn't mean you start telling me I wish we'd never met ruined my life. I didn't retire for this so I just switched her to a normal broadhead was like look. This is where you're going to aim the night before we looked at videos. We like I showed her some pictures of where to aim and luckily this giant. Tom Comes walking in read. It read it I lie. You're calling Coleman he's comes into the decoys and I think I had like eight yards. These things close shaking hands. He comes in and she just hammers this thing and he goes like fifteen yards and tips over and I would. I was just like I felt more excited than if I would've shot the Dang thing you know. And she's like is it dead dead got him and so she was pretty pumped about that and we had that for a big meal. We had a bunch of friends that came over and we I smoked in on the trigger and we did this whole big like Neil made like a big ordeal about it. She loved it so much. And that's cool. Yeah it was pretty cool. And so that was my. That was my hunting story with the wife. So hopefully she definitely said she would do more now. Is Her last last time doing anything but to get around the show. Next I know would be cool. Yeah he when your own like when you get knocked out all the time? How many times been knocked out? Can you even count them up till you count as a knockout at this point? You're talking about like the flash. Yeah I count those so like getting your Bell Rung so this is what I don't know if you've ever had that happen where like sounds like boom in your head and it's like swinging on you know those Maccarone Like those things you hang potted plants from yes. I remember hit a tree when I was a kid one time and having that. Yeah so it's like A. It's almost like a drum going off in your flat out in the long did you. Did you not remember. Wake Up Okay. So you were knocked out. So it is only tells knocked out Gotcha so that's a knockout. I would count those as a knockout. I wouldn't count the ringing your bell where it's kind of like a bell ring ring a bell to have someone shoot a shock. 'cause you're kind of the same because there was like whoa this literally like for the next three hours. Yeah that's the worst. So regaining your Bell Rung. Someone hits you you hear that noise but you don't forget anything like you're right there. The whole time like Holy Crap. You know like a knockout. The technical term for that has a Bell Ring Your Bell Rung and a knockout is. You don't remember Shit you just you just wake up. So I don't know if you guys have ever been like blacked out from drinking and he just have you ever just come out of it and you're like what does. Oh yeah you got to walk out street signs where you're at being knocked out? So I think the The Times I've been knocked out Josie Aldo. My first fight. He caught me with me. And I just remember waking up now. It doesn't hurt because you don't. What the Hell happened? You just like shit everybody laughs. Yeah that was my first time. How long typically in a fight seconds? Right seconds yeah. Yeah so I mean like you don't really. I remember watching the video. So get hit with the I went back to my back and then he jumps on me and hits me like two three or four times before. The ref only got to them and tackle them. I don't remember any of that okay. I don't remember getting back to my feet. I came back to like talking to the REF already standing and I was just like what is it. Also new brain. Let caught. Oh Yeah it's it's weird legit knockouts illegitimate cal and those sucks so bad because it's like so you're open some dues asking you questions and often you'd like come into being. Yeah arrest offering to you and then. I think you're answering them because usually when I come back to. I'm talking like I'm talking back to the sensible way I have no idea I don't know. I wish somebody would film this because I don't know if I'm just I don't know what I'm saying just when I come back to. I'm talking and then I like. I think they probably realize you come to so many of those. Let's rule out the bell rings to okay other you're GonNa Throw at me twenty To know to. Luckily I think because I was a wrestler. I'm was mainly taking guys down staying on top of them. Although was one and Frankie Edgar was the other guys. Knock you out yet. I got my bell rung with Connor. He didn't put me out though CONOR McGregor. It's like a one day and a lot of people know yeah and then the second fight with Although he rang my bell maybe two or three times in that fight where bone and you fall down and you get back up like I never lost memory on any of it but it takes your feet out from underneath you and your be your body. Basically shifts down for a split second. And you WANNA have your jump up and your imagine your focus on what you're doing but are you also like man. I need to be alive a long time. Yeah I mean like have my phone and be functional as an old man or do you think about that. The next day next day thinking that in the know so like for me when I got my Bell Rung Fell Down and Y- It messes with your vision for a split second to you like you can't focus on anything it's just like everything's blurry. And just see him running at me and then it kind of clears backup. And I'm like Gosh it. And then I like you know get back into grappling and him being on top of me and we get back to the feet but once that happens once in a fight your head never the same so it feels like you have tons of pressure in your head for how long depends like for that one. That was a brutal fight man. I pissed blood that night. I got back to the hotel My head was probably foggy. Like that pressure for a day or two so right now if right now this asset you gotTa sit there and Yon and he's going to sit up give you the hardest haymaker. He can give would use. Be like okay. Whatever or would you be scared about it? I mean I wouldn't like it. No not at all so when you go into a fight are you. Are you like thinking like man? I hope I don't get hit Ya. That's the easy way. Imagine not wanting to get hit exactly I mean and like I said I think the difference between someone that's number trained for fighting and someone that has like I think you fear the pain. I fear losing my so I I think I'm thinking about as being like you walk into a situation where you're going somewhere. You know your feet were totally cold. Right knee like my feet will be numb and you just go into being like socks but I know my feet will be known and you just bright people be like well. If you're not going to be no why would you not go? Something's become comfortable overtime. Like you've been through it exactly known. They warm up again later. Just aware that will happen and you whatever yet but you don't get there about getting hit in the face no and that's the thing it's like you know. I know I'm going to hit going into this fight. I'm not afraid like I said I'm not afraid of hurting. I'm afraid of waking up and having a loss you know what I mean because here's lost the fight and yeah and here's the thing about that is not always the best guy wins that fight. I mean those little ask gloves on one tiny mistake if someone just put their head down and wing somethin- even if they're meaning to hit your just winging it and you don't have your your hand covering your Chin for a split second and it happens a catch you you wake up and you're like fuck you know all that word that we're for nothing. I didn't even get the fight. And that's kind of what happened with my Frankie Edgar fight like I went out there and just got clipped in the beginning of the fight and I just woke up with the REF. Pushing me up against the cage like fights over. I'm like mother you know like I shouldn't have been that way. You know like I wanted to find the community. Do the when that happens when someone gets like a lucky shot. Is it recognized in the community? And is it like? Oh Yeah. He won but he shouldn't have one. There's some people that know it but most people the public perceptions you lost your loss you got knocked out you lost in it. Yeah no one's like well not really. In my honest opinion. This is how I would look at it. So and this is how I based a lot of my preparation for certain fighters. If I'm looking at someone's highlight reels or certain pass Fights that were online if fits them going out there and knocking dude out. I don't base a lot of my Preparation for that. If they go out there and completely dominated a fighter from start to finish even though it goes to a decision. That's what I pay more attention to because like I said anybody could go out there and get lucky and knock somebody out. You know we have four ounce gloves on which is basically bare knuckle. You know doesn't take much to knock somebody off you catch them right But if you go out there and take them down on or just out strike them or dominate them from the from beginning to end. That says something so. That's the type of stuff that I would pay. More attention to yell at. Those fights were shocked because someone just throws up a calf and it'd be like I don't know how much I hung actually trained for that. That person did that one time exactly. Yeah keep an eye on it but you know if unless they've done it to like eight or nine different guys. Yeah that's that's interesting because I could see that you you'd be like hope. I'm not the guy that gets hit real fast and goes down who I could see that. You'd fixate on that for me and my career that was probably my biggest hurdle to get over was the fear of that not like I said. I just didn't ever WANNA lose mainly because I didn't want to disappoint I feel like one who my team my family you know just fans for me. That's how you were with your wife all your professionally fighting right. Yes Yep yeah. I'm told you on to wrap it up. She pissed no she. She was happy about that. I mean this she did it and you know put up with it because she knew that I loved it. And then but supportive yes. She was very supportive always. It wasn't her favorite like she's sitting. There always like this just peeking out. Where she hands over is yeah like what happened. What happened to hear the crowd go crazy and her brother would be there next year or something and he knocked him out. And Okay no shit. Oh Yeah so she she put up with. It wasn't her favorite thing but she was like. I said very supportive. So yeah the disadvantage listening to this. Podcast you can't all the sweet first light stuff rise weren't actually have to first light things right now. It's cold outside. I got my Best Ama- Jack but if you watch our TV show meter netflix. You'll see we're talking about very versatile. Lightweight hunting clothes that we wear everywhere they got everything you need and the new twenty twenty line and go check it out firstlight light dot com new callers coming out in fact. I got this sweet kind of this color. It's like a stone color bad ass colored. Go check it out. 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I mean it makes total sense but I hadn't thought about really it's like it's like job work. Yeah I'm independent contractor when I'm done with. Ufc they shoo me away. And that's it you know like I'm on my own. So there's there's no sort of there's no sort of like base salary. Nothing nope just money. He fight for money so we are prizefighter sponsorships so sponsorships are different and so this is what I tried to do. I started a base in the outdoor world About halfway through my career. Because I knew I wanted to do something outdoor world. When I'm done fighting that I could money doing something. I'm freaking obsessed with. What the Hell could we do so me? And my buddy. We're talking about the idea for Finns and feathers and it was something we talked about for a couple of years. You know and what really kick started at for me was my loss against Frankie Edgar. And that was that that moment where it was like. Look I just killed myself and went in there and got caught and I didn't even get the fight you know and so when you lose you only half of your money that you're going to get you. Don't get the form out so I just took a huge pay cut because I got caught by something and so each guy agrees to a purse. You're green to the winning purse and only fifty percent. If you lose that you guys might have a different. The different amount they had the potential win different amounts of money. Exactly yeah one pile of this guy. One part of that. No no so you sign your contracts fight contract. Each fight is it goes usually goes up per fight server huge imbalance between the two fighters. Oh yeah like if I went and millions. If you win you make shit. Yeah that's usually the case conner conner's make millions and most guys are not making anything close so he could lose and make more than the guy that one. Oh Yeah Yeah. And some guys in their contract have a flat rate. Typically it's guys that have been with the company for a long time the company meaning. Ufc and they've their managers a figure out a way to like tell these guys. Look we'll say a four fight contract but these fights are all guaranteed this amount of money. Does that make sense win or lose? Yeah it's just a flat rate no matter what so he's not even incentivized. I mean your incentive for all manner reasons but the actual money is not incentive. Yeah exactly all the other career sponsorship and everything else and yet and doing good So that's why we decided to do some feathers. I'm like look let's look can I do to start building a base and outdoor world so I can start working with different companies in the outdoor space Working on sponsorships and like trying to figure out ways so I can you know become relevant there And get the travel around. Do these hunts make money doing these hunts and have fun with really cool people and so we came up with the idea of Finns feathers. I'm like like I said I don't know how this is going to go. We can give it a shot. We'll try it for year and if you know if it doesn't work we'll try to figure something else out it'd be like or. I'll just get real bitter while TV league rolls the overweight and so I mean we did it. I I lost the Frankie and I'm like that year I'm like you know what let's get. This sucker started so we started the business. We got our attorney on things. Got Everything planned out. We started building the website. I know you're like laying the groundwork. Yeah we started doing. The lighting old fighter. Dan Henderson fought into his forties. Want to say he was like forty six or forty. Yeah that's very rare. Most guys like your I favor. He retired when he was. I think thirty nine. You got your money's worth anyways man. I mean you got out. You didn't get outweigh early. Not Super early. I mean I still probably could have fought for another four or five year old button. Favourite got out thirty nine was out for like a year or two and then came out of retirement. Fought a fight when he was forty knocked. The dude out and then just lost his last fight. So I don't know but that's like you know anything in the forties as like that's kind of that's in your cart. I don't think so man. I'M PEOPLE ASK. Listen Rocky Shipman you come back. Yeah I think I think things would have to be absolutely horrible due to a position of weakness. Exact position stretch your bags into do real hungry e- exactly so I'm just having so much fun doing what we're doing man and and you know it's something I love to do. I don't have to get punched in the head anymore. You know and so I don't see myself coming out of retirement anytime soon. Keeping in your business now. Yeah I like how you can say. Don't have get punched in the head anymore. It's not a metaphor. Listen all the good shit you know finding cheer myself up start adding Ed Punch me in the head. Many mornings I'd get out of bed just likes so sore from head to toe and it's early morning you know we don't get cold out here. It is out here. But it's you know high thirties low forties and I got a freaking go to the gym which are heater freaking sucked. So everything was freezing matter freezing. We have these big like diesel diesel. Here's it looks like a jet engine. Yeah Yeah Allah is like torpedo. We'd have one of those on the side of the Matt so the whole gym smugly diesel exhaust. And everybody's kick ass. Would you ever get a fire? Going into the fire notes. Amazing Goose's it but yeah I mean and then I'm like got these guys that want to punch me in the face. I'm like don't touch me right now. Not only want to be here but you gotta get through it you know but those are the that's the Shit I don't I don't look forward to ever again like I'm good. I'm good not doing that anymore. What's your what's your career advice for people man. I mean I think it is finding something you love to do like I love fighting. I love competing. I did it. My whole life You know I say all this negative stuff about it but it was very good to me. I was good at it. I don't think you sound negative. Okay you sound like a guy who's done. Yeah right it's not negative. Okay good just like. It's there's like circumspect right her circumspection whatever the home trying to say I got you. Yeah you're looking at it from. Yeah exactly but I mean just find what you love to do. And and if like if it's something you love it's never gonna be work like there's GonNa be times like I said those mornings where I'm sore from head to toe it's cold. I don't WanNa get touched but you do the workout and you feel good about it after you know. I just pushed through that like that was pretty cool do you think. Do you think that Being as disciplined as you had to have been Did that come naturally like force discipline. I think there is a mix of times where I had to force it I actually as a kid tried to play baseball and my dad these are. This is a quote for my dad. You're not playing baseball. Only pussies play baseball so I was like well Peter Lonzo. I wanted to play a team sport where I'm out there with a team. You know baseball and they played on the playground. I loved it you know and I was just always so small like old. School is like Portaghi. I don't care if you're eighty pounds. Yeah get your ass. In there and wrestle. There was multiple times growing up. I wanted to do something else. I wanted to quit wrestling and the discipline. That was basically my dad making me stick with which looking back on it now. I'm glad he did. Because you know made me who I am now. Same thing with the my freshman year in college wanting to quit you know the wrestling part of it. Then you know I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have made it to the. Us wouldn't be sitting here with you guys right now. You know and so there's so many things that I'm grateful for when it comes to that type of stuff but you know the discipline part of it sometimes was Kinda forced on me. It's interesting the mentioned the guilt thing because people often my. I see people who really lacked discipline. They don't have that We're see someone here about what someone did. I think look like how many time. How could that be of interest to you like how you wasted the amount of time? But where was the party that would have been? Where'S THE PARTY? You that tells you the you can't do some people don't have that. Yeah the guilt. I have friends like that. I'll go get like fishing guilt. Guilty like you know a long time goes by and you have opportunities that you don't do that it's like it's like ways. Gotcha flicks I believe is making millions of dollars off these people that don't have that in their brain. Don't feel shame no because I I. I watch films and with a sense of discipline. Let them on strategic about it right and I don't feel bad doing it. I get shame at the grocery store like when I have in between busy week. Slots Travel Mike. I'm just going to get this pre made pasta stuff and then I'll throw some meat on top of it when I get home or did you guilty feeling by the time. I'm done Kirk and I'm like why it's not that much more time. Do I get a guilt? I have a life defined by guilt man like when we do now and then as a sort of like a nod to our kids have pizza night right and it's kind of easy for everybody you know you don't have to clean up great everything about. It's easy they show on kids like go. Yeah Great. You don't have to get your food food. You like walk out with a box and the recycling bin and it's just easy. Dad makes me feel guilty. We don't like cook something like yell at the kids. Eat It like I have a guilt guided life. I think that's a good thing. It sucks from time to time but shit. Now we yeah. I don't know I I take that as you know. That's what makes us all successful. If you didn't have that feeling like I said I have a few buddies that are just like the biggest piece of shit ever and I'm like how do you how are you eating that. And how are you like not doing anything after eating that? Yeah I don't know I don't have sometimes with my friends who are like you know like Oh man I feel like a piece crap because I ran out and got pizza last night. Well you know you work all the time and occasionally it's okay to get a pizza and you kind of look at them and you're like are you really my friend. You fill some your hunts. Yeah do you do. Do you fill in. Put HIM UP. You put on Youtube Youtube Channel Yet. Yeah do you view that as being tied in defense and feathers I I think because a lot of those videos actually are feathers trips. Not all of them. I do a lot of my watch and see what exactly right Bert exactly and I. It's you know they're they're not like the highest quality videos. Leave logging which I feel like resonates more with people like it's me like you're seeing this from my point of view. I'm sitting talking to camera then employed in it to you you know and so for me the the marketing part of going on these trips filming this stuff and being able to put that on the Youtube for people to see a it brings such a bigger connection like when I go to those shows like so many people come to the booth like. I love this video. I love this. Show that that animal. So there's like a connection booth like offensive feathers. These shows or get expo type show and then you go man that booth. Yeah so people that wanted to meet. You could go to the local not local but whatever sports show yeah exactly sports shows we go to. I willing to the booth at two shows. We do the sack expo. And then that Big Hunt Expo in Utah and For both are extremely. You know I love both of 'em they can be a ton of work you know where it's set in the booth up ourselves traveling out to Utah Comeback and just seeing all the people I've been going. I think this was our fifth year. And it's crazy. There's so many little kid wrestlers or just kids that are into the hunting and out outdoor lifestyle that I've seen for the last five years. Just getting really our biggest one and I'm going to do and some of them like we've taken a picture every single year and they'll do like a slide show and it's just cooling progression when you when you say people wanted to go and they wanted to make sure that they were going on a trip that you were accompanying on. So is there like a guarantee that can they be like? I'm going on this trip and Chatman does is going or is it like I'm going on this trip and I don't know who they're going to send someone what we do is if you go to our website Vincent feathers DOT COM are scheduled. Page will be this year schedule. So it'll show all the different hunts little give the the location the actual date and then what we do it'll say price and how many spots are available but we'll put possible celebrities and the reason why. I say possible if my name's on there there's like a ninety nine percent chance especially now that I'm retired that I'm going on that one The other guys we say possible. I usually list like three like two or three guys. If a fight pops up or something and they can't go on that trip all yeah. There's always a little bit uncertain exact schedule. So then we'll we'll rotate one other guys but you. You have an idea who's going to go on that trip I so that's what I was telling in the car like the last couple years. I've gone on almost every single. Okay and I'll bring my buddies in mainly because I just don't want like if it's there one of my buddies maybe fights never gone on this trip before they don't know the outfitter yet you know. I just want to be there and make sure everything goes smoothly. I WANNA be there with the clients and make sure everything's going the way that I wanted to go but last year and I'm going to start doing that more this year. You know those those celebrity guys have gone on these trips now and they understand the process. They are buddies with the outfitter now. And so there's going to be more trips where I don't have to go on him anymore. And so I'm GonNa Start sending more of these guys and that's that was the original business model for this like I. Obviously I would go on every single if I was single. I will go on every single one of these ones every year. My Wife's like I'm gonNA cut your nuts off if you leave one more time So it's like an equity impact your desire to go on and starting to just trying to clear up my schedule with these as much as I can start putting some of these other guys on so that you know. I don't have to travel as much mixing own personal hunts and stuff as well. What kind of trip What kind of trip really let it all come home in the right way? You know what I mean in terms of being able to have exposure to someone that you wanNA hang out with and it's kind of the right blend of effort and and you know I mean like is it. I'm guessing is not like hunting doll. She no and that's the thing. Most of our trips are pretty low impact. They're not like we're doing. We've done the back country stuff a couple of times but it's tough man. It's tough to do like a waterfall turkeys. We do that type of stuff. Most of the stuff we do is big game but I looked at the schedule. Man is a little bit of everything and we can. How ARE CAL? Archery alcon mule deer white tail back in the Mid West San Diego Tuna trip which I've heard from a lot of people have done trips similar. That's a great time. Yeah that one's one of my favorite of the year and we get So we we charter outlet. Nine hundred foot boat There's bedrooms and stuff all downstairs. He goes for three days. There's cooks onboard cooking meal. It's pretty pampered. You know and They prepare the tuna. They'll do you catch tune in they'll make the shimmy sometimes big pokey balls. Oh it's nice but yeah now. Everyone's drinking beer. We got thirty clients on that one So usually it's me Dan Henderson and Klay. Guido that's who's going on this year but We're just fishing with everyone drinking beer hanging out that one and there's no at once. I get everyone on the boat and all the paperwork done all the planning and scheduling done. I just go on. We have to go have fun. So it's like you know. I'm handed out some gifts and stuff during the trip. So but which is easy. But you know we're catching tuna have fun in the Sun and a lot of fun. We actually just sold out on my flight here. I I sold the last three spots on my layover. So we're we're officially booked out on that one for twenty twenty but yeah man. We try to mix up all kinds of different things. There's some people that really enjoy the meal their stuff. They don't really care too much about the white stuff so we we make sure we do both The cal I think is going to be really cool this year. It's a rifle hundred percent. Success rate there's tons of cows tons of elk. So we're going to go out there and you know these guys that have never a lot of these guys have never killed anything before so It's going to be a cool hunt. Where showing these guys. How to do all the Phil Dressing? How to cut these things up and get them prepped for the drive home And just kind of teaching these guys like what What fins in feathers is about but also what it's like getting to Harvey Mill and and take it home with you one thing. We are really starting to plan star. We've talked about the last couple of years is doing a Like a fins and feathers academy where we get a lot. I personally get a lot of fans that follow me for the fighting side of it that have never hunted or done anything and so they see me hunting and cooking all these wild game meals and having all this meat just readily available in my freezer like to and I. You know messages have really want to do that. I think this is awesome and again a lot of people that watch your show And they're like I wanNA be like that. I WANNA be able to go out in my freezer and grab you know X Y and Z and go inside. Cook it and so what we're GONNA do is. We're going to show people how to get there. Hunter safety he'd get hunting license. Take them on a hunt how to hunt show them all the field dressing and all that stuff show them how to properly break down an animal and then cook these really cool mills school with the wild game. So it'll be like from start to finish like if you've never done it before. This is what you do and just go take a handful of guys and girls out in. Teach him all the stuff that I've learned over the years and You know have buddies. That are unbelievable. While game cooks maybe bring some of those guys in pair it with different winds or something and just call. Defense Academy. That's like a dream that I've seen those great man for a little bit. I just I think the hardest thing is just finding the locations that have all the the kitchen where the spots big enough to you know a kill the animals but then also meal to cook it and teach them all that stuff with with all the right amount of utensils and stuff. So I'm impressed man just again looking through your schedule. There's a lot of hunts you can go on without getting to hang out with Chad. Mendez for the same price is very reasonable price. Yeah no we. I try to keep it that way. And that's what I was telling you. So what we do. Is We team up with outfitters? And we figure out the monetary side of it per spot I don't I'm not trying to like Jack. These up so high that nobody could ever go on him. I mean is some of the stuff relatively pricey? Yeah I mean if you buy that anywhere that you're probably going to spin around the same amount of money but like I'm not trying to just like Jack up through the roof you know and so I try to keep them pretty similar to what you would normally pay not a huge celebrity exactly. Yeah and that's that's just one of those things I feel like it's kind of conceded that was one of the issues I had when creating feathers like. What do we charge like like? What is my worth like? What if what am I going to charge people to come hang out with me like is that kind of fucked up lake this hard putting prices on stuff but it is it is and? I think we've kind of nailed it down. We do like I said we've sold out. You know all the years that we've been in business which is unbelievable to me into my business partner and just we've had lot of people that have re booked on a lot of the things have had so much fun. And what grade is those guys word of mouth bringing buddies like years ago to come do this? It was so much fun and It's just been so so cool for me to be able to live my dream. You know got two more questions for Yanni through this morning. Yanni go ahead so you just don't listen so Yanni went. Yanni took a whole year off alcohol. Now he's back on alcohol now he's taking. How long did you? They'll sugar break three months. Three months of no desserts. No Way. Yeah he says. How does sugar play in your diet? I couldn't squeeze it in early. We're talking about You know we're taking up loose ends right now. Well what's your attitude to sugar? If I made you would you eat it? I'm GonNa tell you what I had for dinner last night so I ate my meal and for Dessert. I had a chocolate Brownie with the scoop of Vanilla ice cream on it with some caramel drizzle on top and he beat your ass yeah desert during your ten ten week training period usually no but but there are times depending on and I think this is something that is very important when anyone is sticking to some kind of strict Diet. You have to have cheat days. You'll go freaking insane sticking to the same thing every single day for however long. You're going to do it so like during my training camp. I'd say maybe once or twice do the ten weeks we would go and I would get an ice like an ice cream or you know whatever may be but we would go get something like a like a splurge or even go out and get like a big old fat hamburger or something you know so satisfied that corner of the brain nagging that. Yeah Yeah you have to do it and you say that they never do it. They're lying wine. Wife made ice cream pie for the kids and he was leaning over it. There's one little piece there and he was like you know I might even eat that piece of Ice Cream Pie. But then he didn't touch it. That's that's strong yeah disciplined. That's strong. Yeah we'll see you consider sugar the devil. I mean. It's not great. No I don't think it's great but I think in moderation from time to time is not gonNA kill anyone hard time defining. We're kicking US around. I mean I'm I'm not doing but like defining what is sugar right because I mean sugars everywhere. Celek it'd be like well Shit. Researchers the point cutting out like shit where the point is sugary and sweet. Because you can't it'd be like okay. A strawberry has sugar in it. You know what I mean all that but I think he had to look like a vinyl. Refined sugar is what you're probably trying to. Yeah Yeah added sugar and when it's easy catch up. I've been China not eating ketchup. Because that's sugary and because of the sugar. Well Yeah again when you look at the label and if in the first thing that says sugar. That's what I'm aiming not beating tomatoes. I he knows something when I was working on my book. My first book called the Scavengers Guide. Cuisine is about this French CHEF CISCO FEAR in all get wild game. He would cook but For a long time like ketchup. Didn't mean like you specify there's mushroom ketchup really tomato ketchup. Yeah there's many many and it over time it just became like catch-up became catch up ketchup. Used to be like the sort of category of Vinegary toppings and that was the tomato one was no more than the mushroom one nine inches like this whole thing like dressing just became ranch won the fight it was like a general condiment. Yeah was a VINEGARY pureed. Sort of vinegary topping boy. It'd be annoying to try to bring that one back. Oh what type of catch you can become like that guy. I WanNa try them though they drive you. What did you say catch-up you mean a mushroom last question for you less cows got one blue and I'd like you work in the honing industry. I work in the hunting industry. We're GONNA hunting street in so hunting is different for people in the hunting industry the opportunity of different and you know people like connections and all that is what's up right when you want to go somewhere you make a couple phone calls you find out what's going on. Yeah it's helpful way more than shit you learn on Google by calling people you know because you have a lot of connections but like I get a sense just from communication from emails. We get that like that. I find a high level of pessimism. Among blue-collar California hunters like classic weaken warrior like that kind of hunting. You grew up as right and you described it. Perfectly is that pessimism warranted in California. It just seems to be like a down and out and I sense that a lot in Kelly. I don't know what I mean for me. And you're referring to like people buying hunts just being a dude you know duty polls like a normal salary. He's got a family he can hold on the weekends. He doesn't have access to a lot of private land. Just seems to be kind of like like I said like general down and out nece. Yeah you talk to whatever type of people in Wyoming. There's this general enthusiasm right like. Oh yeah that's great. But it's the pessimism mostly aimed at lack of opportunity or lack of crowded. No I don't think it's like lack of community. I think it's too much too much. Yeah and I like everything's it's just it's so thick it's so crowded. There is some extremely tough conditions in California but there are also some really great opportunities for the outdoorsman in California. In my honest opinion we have some amazing amazing fishing location or the fishing is probably if you say that. California. You're probably high. Yeah you're in California by are probably but I mean there are still great hunting. And here's here's what I've tried to do over the years 'cause I I've felt that before. It's tough there's public ground but it's thick it's overcrowded. You know the the amount of animals you're seeing our you know close to none You know it's the opportunities. Aren't ideally easy. You know you gotTa Work Your Ass off compared to maybe I go to Utah and I'm seeing a one hundred different deer in day. You know what I mean like. You don't do that works. Yeah no I don't see there's years I would go an entire season without seen illegal buck which has to have two on one side you know and so. I can see why some have that you know. It's not it's not easy but I mean you gotta make opportunity to like I. I'm busting my ass. Daily knocking on people's doors like seeing different properties that I know have amazing animals on them and I asked for permission. I do I get told. No probably ninety nine point nine percent of the time. Yes so you're still out there mixing it up like hell. Yeah strategizing and trying to get onto good hunting you exactly and there's a ton a ton of great hunting that private though and so it's like worst case they're going to say no in fact recently. I got chewed out for asking. You're just going to feel guilty if you don't go beat on doors. Maybe he's right there. I got to go ask but so you ask. Someone got pissed. They got really letter. You went past a no trespassing. Sign to go knock on the door or what was there. So that was their reasoning for. But it's an easement road and I got permission on the road because there is a Another piece of property that I can get on the only road in and out goes through so this is a road that they they have a gate that goes you know thousand yards to their house. That's down there so I wrote a whole letter put pictures of me and my family so they know that it's not some crazy lunatic trying to get in there Explain myself of you know why would love to archery hunt? Turkey on their property It's a I think it's one hundred acre piece and I left an envelope and set it on their gate didn't go in there gate didn't go up there and left it there and I think two days later three two or three days later I get a call from a number. That's from the bay area and I don't know who this is an answer and the guys like is this Chad and I'm like yeah. Who's this is a this is so and so I won't say their name even though I probably should and he's like it was John Caz well and the biggest Dick I've ever talked to know. How did you get that letter on my fence? How dare you even ask to my property? Like just going off. And my heart's beating like I'm getting an earful and I'm you know. Try not to be an asshole and you know there's so many things going through my head that I want to say to this guy and you know we're freaking neighbors like it's not that far from my house. I could throw a football on the property. That's over there. And he couldn't just be no I know he had. He had to chew my ear offers and so he's gone off going off going off and he he goes and to answer your question. No you can't on my property and I'm like well I couldn't tell by the tone in your voice I had office. I had a phone call the other day where the guy were. I wanted to inquire about a property and when I'm looking them up I realized that he's got a business where you can send a Like a like like you fill out it auto populates your name and stuff and you can do an inquiry been inquiry. Gotcha so do business ingredient. I apologize in my inquiry. Sorry TO US. Thought it might be less of an annoyance in if I call and he says an I laid out for him and he's looking at me call next week so I got it right so we play phone tag a little bit eventually down. The phone has a whole bunch of questions for me. We're talking it's going great and I'm about ready to the point where I'm where should I park right? And he goes. Whoa I don't mean to string you along no great very nice talking to you survey just friendly shit you know by chance. Tell me what future is my feeling. He went in knowing that it was a no but was just being like I took the time to reach out to him. He felt obligated to he felt obligated to close the loop. Yes and not very politely. I'm like Kay Great. Thanks for calling. I respect your in. Respect your perspective on it. I love California's really unusual. Either don't get anything back just silent or that guy. This guy was from the south. Gotcha he wanted to liquidate. We were talking about earlier before we start recording. He was closing the loop. That's amazing got one wonder what would happen with that. Dude's Day who yells down to him to where he's like. Yeah I'm GonNa take the opportunity to ring the neck of this person with the nicely written note and the Nice Little family here. I'll show you the really responsible path here in. Write me a letter that Australian what you'd like to do and how to contact me and giving me a sense of who you are as individual. I'll teach you a lesson. That's how I felt. People probably would just walk in there. And poaching like trespassed like I did. I felt like I went out of my way. Sat down at my computer and like wrote this like upset. That ain't me up to for like a good week. I'm just like what like I WanNa talk to you doing it? You probably never knock on the door. Just go the trespassing. Only next time is going to go. Were you're trespassing? It's just one hundred bucks. They get a memorable. John's gotta live with himself every day. It's true toil lived his own company. I got a question. We eat a lot but Favorite game and how do you cook it? Oh Man I really enjoy access dear. I saw the last thing. It's been three years now. I've been going to southern Texas. With the mountaintops crew and we do a free range access to your hunt down there. And my first year I killed a buck and it was their turn the Rut and I'm just like man. I wonder how these are going to be during the Rut isn't going to be a little gamy. What's it going to be like UN freaking believable? We even had some on the grill next to a piece of elk. And so I was like I wanNA taste tests these suckers and I enjoyed the axis deer more than I enjoyed the elk and end up. Until that point I'd say elk was probably my favorite While game that maybe even while board I absolutely really love while for But access deer and what like my favorite probably most Appealing way to make it as I keep the the. Loin like bone-in Yup and I'll do the Tomahawk steaks. Oh Yeah Yeah. And so like. I'll mueller slow them for a little bit for you. Know thirty forty five minutes. And then I'll take him out and get a cast iron hot and do the butter and Rosemary pre smoke. Yeah precent like a reverse sears. Comb YEP cold or hot a hot but really really low. Because they're thin. I mean after you slice and they're even at that low temp for like thirty forty minutes or partially cooking the goals just the smoke just to get a little bit of the smoke and then just finish them off in a real hot cast iron nice. Just eat those suckers like Lamm lollipops. That's a fan favorite for sure. We are trying to do a cookbook. I'm China copy. You guys I WANNA phone footsteps. Yeah me and two other buddies named Chad as well. So Three. Three chats three. Chad's one cookbook. That's a great name for a book that is that is a and you're totally safe because we're not going to copy you start getting punched in the head. We're I want. I mean we've been talking about doing now for a year and a half so I have no idea when it's going to win. We'RE GONNA launch. We have all the recipes done and we're looking for publisher and stuff now but I just love the wild game type stuff. You know I'm doing that part of it. We have another Guy Chad Ward who's In the trigger in the barbecue pit masterpiece barbecue world champ and he's going to do a lot of the barbecue side of it and then we're going to do two years new chat building is he has the foul life He's going to do a lot of I'm familiar with that. He's going to do a lot of the like the birds and stuff like that and I'll do more of the big game stuff but it's just going to kind of be a mix of a little bit of everything copy. Yeah Hell Yeah when we get it done. I'll for sure. Send you guys a blurred of the back tonight. I'll just blurred. Meanwhile did you guy up in Toronto. Michael Hunter Nice. Okay coming up. Good fellas Barry get good. Thanks love that baby man. Thank you guys deliver going to see. That was my my question for you buddy. Mind same you know very young child at home like where do you put the brand new baby life versus the training life? Would you rather be doing baby life? Yeah Yeah I love it and I mean my wife does most of his. She's she supermom for sure when I'm out doing all this type of stuff and doing the fence and other stuff she's home alone her family's from Missouri so and and my dad is like four hours south of us and he just doesn't really do the baby thing anyway so you know she's pretty much home alone taking care of the baby so my hat's off to her for sure. I want to give you some parenting voice but go for. Why can't I gotTA wait? Twenty yeah so that's the problem of man. I got like ideas but I haven't. They haven't been born out yet. Yeah I could be way off. Find my kids and they're all jail. What do I do? Don't do that? Guy Did no. I think you guys are good. I'll have to hold off when when I'm how old I be one of my mid sixties abby throwing around some advice. Whatever you do. Don't do this. Here's where in. Hindsight Jad Mendez Vincent. Thank you guys. Very much formally. Ufc WE are retired. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you appreciate it goes

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"Talking Tesla Hockey. I'm not sure if. Be The breaker the sellers eve put. On you on, it must be some sort of geometrical, algorithm? Touch during there. Oh, I'm sure this Matt. So space excuse the deal. Landing. ruckus on a drone ship is. Charged with My expected to drive a car without. Seeing Charter China China another good pocket talk. Of Minute listing think that this is A. With run by superbeets oil cousin used to because this kept. US were that you've got a model eggs. Seen the future, his life, whole charter I wouldn't call it a screw up. Do you like your model at? I was wondering now that we're recording, are we not recording or is this? This is the pre show we're gonNA allow everyone to hear I'm Rick I'm recording I don't know if we're recording here your recording the this is going to be great. I'm going to be fantastic can be sexual going to be super. This marks the first time that I've been at talking Tesla's studios. In. I don't know. Six months I think it's been. Audience can tell you can hear me don't sound like. Yeah. Not Broadcasting from the toilet. You know it seems like every week there every show there is something that goes wrong. There was something that went wrong in this show Robert just at the very beginning I couldn't hear you for like fifteen. That's right. Now to give me actual audio equipment to use to talk to. You. This is a complicated beast, this podcast and it is yeah, it's very very complicated. We make it very complicated. So the average Joe shmoe on the streets can't do it because basically. We don't WanNa hear what they have to say what? No, that's not true I. Don't know. It's not actually that complicated because imagine there are I don't know seven hundred and fifty million podcasts and there's only like six billion people on the planet. So like almost twenty percent of humans have their own podcast. And we've we've had a podcast for like five years well I feel great that I can at least match most of those podcasts pride broadcasting from inside a toilet. Yes, that is. But there are a lot of very popular podcasts out there. We won't mention any of them because well, there already some worth. Two, hundred, million dollars or something. That's kind of crazy. Some worth more really some. Are Getting two, hundred, million dollars. Hundred. Waiting for that. That is that is. That's just mean speed but I did the math on this. Actually at the Joe, Rogan podcast is with one hundred million dollars, and if you do the math on how many people listen to service is how many people listen to Do the men we are actually it's interesting. We're actually with fifteen cents. That is that is amazing. I can't. so that's like a nickel each or ten cents for you and me and Robert Split the taking the ten and you go split the fog. which three hundred years ago could have been? Well, that's. Exactly I totally it's amazing. So I started off singing to you like I was in an opera because on the drive here Tom, it was impressive. I got to hear you speak like an entire. Complaint about us not having zoom link. I'm sitting in traffic, which is amazing since we have a pandemic going on and there's so much traffic on the one zero, one freeway it was almost stopped but. I still manage to get here with just ten minutes after the hour so. You did and then ten minutes after that, we were able to record and now we're. GonNa tell me your history of singing opera. Yes. So they're oddly enough. So you ask me the question like do you have experiencing opera and I used to on occasion once or twice a year? Maybe spend the entire day in the photo studio interacting with my co workers in opera can you give me the dogs? Name is bring me the Lai from over the call. This is like literally for eight hours, people really wanted to kill me seriously. But I but I stuck with it because well, don't know I guess I'm just annoying I didn't have any siblings growing up an only child so I feel like maybe i. AM just making up for lost time. How it wasn't that you were seeking attention overly aggressively. Oh wait maybe there was that. Could. have been that look at me. Look at me look at me. Look at me which is weird because. I'm also socially awkward. Well I'm a lot of things. A lot of things, Robert? Robert. You have like facial hair even though you're supposed to be wearing n ninety, five masks on occasion. Yeah. I haven't strapped in in ninety five mask to my face for something like sixteen. which you who is it's amazing. But it's also kind of sad I. Feel Sad. This is a sort of a vacation time for me. You know, September it's not as hot as August was hoping to do some backpacking with my son in either the local San Gabriel mountains or up in the SIERRAS. But unfortunately, everything is a flame and the air quality is horrendous and then we had actually thought of as an alternative driving up to like Seattle or Portland and just knocking around and again everything's on fire. It's just horrific. YOU COULD'VE GONE OUT TO UTAH. So we were supposed to go camping last weekend in the Sierras as well, and of course, it's all closed down. So some of my camping cohorts compatriots drove to Utah to a little strip of forest between Bryson Zion and they loved it a clear air because our tornado smoke of storm apparently only goes to France it doesn't go to Utah. You saw that that I put that in the Potala Doc. Segue Robert that's what that's called. So I threw in a smoke. Vertically integrated smoke assessment that I pulled off i. think it was twitter because somebody in one of the channels that I was following or the twitter feed that I follow was showing how the intense smoke that is all up and down the West Coast and goes out to sea for hundreds of miles just manages to like catch the jet stream and get funneled straight across to Europe, and it's all like socked in over Western Europe and the air quality in Paris is as bad as it is here in Los Angeles which. Is I. It's Scotland. Here sits Scotland. Will you Californian stop burning down? It's Tara movie. Tangible. But it's alive, it's a live like you can see it's a live indicator of how interconnected this planet actually is in how in the past win let's say a giant meteor hit the earth in like S-. Put up a whole bunch of stuff or a big giant volcano exploded how it really can blanket the earth due to just the Earth's natural cycles of moving air around in how again how interconnected we are and so Sorry that we out of the Paris climate accord especially since then we decided to dump a bunch of smoke on bears on top of it. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry Paris it's impressive. I went This is not intended to be Abbreviating the show by my going to media picks but I will tell you about my media pick later I actually went to the movies last Friday. Yeah wrong with you you're a DOC ner. Dude it's all about situational awareness. You can't live in a bubble and he had a pet Ryan. Ninety, five full. No. No last Tuesday, the opened up the theaters in Orange County because their cases per hundred thousand fell below. I. Can't remember what the threshold was like two, thousand, two, hundred I don't remember what it was but California has the sole algorithm is to which counties can be open and so Orange County opened up bowling alleys and movie theaters and the new tenant movie came out, which is a Christopher Nolan film, which I- defies explanation but I'll tell you about leader. And so I had to see it. So I went last Friday I scoped out the Imax theater. The closest one was like fifty miles away. So I drove to your Linda home of the president not a glorified president but home of one of our presidents and while I was after the theater had lunch I was sitting there watching this they put pictures drone pictures of San Francisco to the music from Blade runner twenty, forty or twenty, forty nine and it looked Both surreal and real and horrific, and as I'm watching it. The ash is falling onto my cell phone. That was one of the most remarkable experiences I've had in the recent past. Yeah I was wondering you know it'd be great to see what twenty forty nine be really look like and now I get to see it now twenty probably worse than what they showed in the movies. It's a bit upsetting when I looked out I, you know the Orange Haze made me think of what it would be like to be on Mars but at least I was able to breathe our atmosphere on. Mars wouldn't work well, this morning I woke up and I swore, I, was on Ted Wayne because guess fig there it's like Whoa only have one son Mel that's ridiculous. Abed, come on and then I threw in another image that I pulled off the Internet that showed France headset it's hottest September day record. Period record period yet but it was only thirty seven degrees so like I mean that's hot. Yeah Thirty, seven, point nine, which for those of us in the United States is hundred point two which seems like complete mellow because here I am in Woodland Hills where a week ago it was one, hundred and seventeen. I think hundred twenty, we broke a little record one, hundred, twenty. Yeah. It's up sitting how much of the pool water was gone on a day like that you walk outside on a day like that and it's hard to breathe in the same day in Delhi. They clocked their highest temperature, which is one, hundred, thirty degrees. Now, there's one that's from one hundred years ago that supposedly high but most meteorologists say that was bogus bogus. The one that just occurred was the hottest day on record our big Abraham. Places on fire but the this certain person assists phone it's going to get cool again. Oh. Yeah it is when the Ice Age comes after we're all dead. Pretty. Sad Pretty Sad. I have some really I've some really warm coats. Of Hoping I can ride out the old ice age situation. You know it's impressive with all this smoke in the air. How much cooler at got Away in other words, it was like twenty degrees cooler here at least where I live Dan, it was being forecast only because of the smoke in the air. So I was wondering to myself I didn't ask anybody who really knows wondering how much the temperature has dropped in like the western United States because of all of the smoke and people thinking well, you know maybe the smoke isn't so bad. It's going to help global warming or it's going to keep them for wanting to conserve or by an electric car install a power wall or do anything that helps to reduce their carbon footprint because this. When this happened in Australia with a huge is that we're in a stray that seemed like twenty years ago but was about seven months ago. The same kind of ridiculous boys the you might they were talking to a meteorologist theory CD in the short term, it's good night because Kula but in the long term, it's terrible because you've just dumped an extraordinary amount of carbon into the atmosphere. So while in the short term. Feel better you're just accelerating the long term. So there go and a man of carbon that was released in a stray was like the equipment like five years of cows drug magna it was just an extraordinary man. No I haven't heard the amount of carbon estimates further California Oregon Fis, but it's going to be just about a trillion tesla worth of saved cabin three million acres plus three million acres plus it's just staggering so. All right. Let's Let's not talk about this anymore because it's just sad into pay. Let's just remember that I reported on I reported on. A scientific article from a couple of months ago that said. With, global warming that these boys in California are going to continue to get worse continue to get bigger and boy twenty seventy. Oh, before there will be no forest in. California. There will be no Thailand to regenerate. It will be brushland. Thank you. And and let's yeah and I heard and I'll just say this one thing I heard somebody say something about its Piss poor forest management and not necessarily global warming what I would like to point out too that human being that was on a major network television show no one called him on is that they're in part of the SIERRAS near Shaver Lake there thirty, three, million dead trees due to drought related causes. Global warming without that happening without that particular thing happening these fires maybe aren't quite as bad even with poor forest management which I will give you. But let's not pretend that this whole thing is being caused by the fact that for thirty years, we just put out every fire to being caused by the fact that you have a smallish area with thirty, three, million dead trees and a piece of lightning hit. And it went up like. superheroes needle. Yes. It it's amazing to me how good the modeling has been mean all of these things have been predicted and then they improve the muddling all the time. But in Australia years ago, talking about the FIS they had there and it was like he the scientists that sort of giving these spills to the parliament we are left at like this couldn't happen, and then you know seven months ago strata has exactly what they predicted. You just not very much elevation of the temperature although California's gone up by four degrees since the beginning of last century. Earned Haikus. These events Fahrenheit. Global one degree, but different places get warmer fast another and other places it's over ten degrees. So it's it's a disaster and what just is so upsetting to me is that there are still orange hated idiots. that. Pretend that this is not happening. And it's honestly upset up before this crimes against humanity. If. We survive this ultimately, there are groups of people who would there disinformation campaigns brought before a court? This is really crimes against humanity. You're destroying entire frigging planet because you're full of crap. There was an article. I didn't put it in because we already had so much here. But where there were a bunch of oil and gas executives who were at a conference together this year and they had made these off handed comments in like they were truthfully were in a closed room but somebody was recording it and they were talking about all of the flaring that takes place that when they drill for oil, the gas is more of a nuisance than it is something that they care about and it's an expense because there are penalties for just releasing that methane into the atmosphere. So they have to flare it and they talked about how much methane they were flaring and it was literally. More than ton. Last not factored into any of those calculations right of like how much carbon oil companies are releasing with? Just is a whole other like invisible aspect to this. Don't worry we repealed. We re we wound down we took away the Obama. Let's check how much meat and you're actually leaking into the when you're doing this stuff. We don't do that anymore because. We don't worry about that. And this is sort of Internet, independence. This is sort of connected to this first article where it's from inside. Electric cars indirectly admit much less carbon than previously reported and I hear that people did you hear what? He just said repeat that Robert Please repeat that rubber. Electric cars indirectly admit emit much less carbon than previously reported and I thought this was a really important article because it gives the listeners and the Ev community as a whole a really good I dunno bat to swing back at those people who say, Oh, electric cars are fallacy. There's so much carbon emitted when you make the batteries and they're just being run. Off of coal fired power plants so they're not at all better than regular cars or hybrids, and it's all B. S.. This is a Dutch study from Eindhoven University of Technology and they claimed that so far all the numbers that have been promulgated about Ev's versus ice cars off even the best ones are wrong very wrong and they looked at six mean mistakes. That were made in these studies that had been published all the way back to like two, thousand, ten, two, thousand, and thirteen up until present including twenty nineteen that say that these studies that got so much. Press coverage are so error-filled like so six points one, they exaggerate the estimate of the Qurban released by battery production at a recent study on carbon emission from. Battery production showed that the reduction with new manufacturing techniques is fifty percent from one hundred and seventy five kilograms of carbon per kilowatt hour to eighty seven. That's fifty percent reduction. So right there does that include my does that include mining or just the production process you know my understanding, it's from soup to nuts from the beginning to a battery in the car. Then estimating the battery packs lifespan. So one of the original studies that they many people have looked at showed that batteries in cars have a lifespan of one hundred and fifty thousand kilometers or ninety, three, thousand miles but as mel will say, all they were looking at was Nissan leafs. Ten Times better now. Right, and so the the idea of the million mile battery is been on the horizon and is now arriving from KCET L. The Chinese battery manufacturer from. Tesla, from a company called s volt, and so you know going from ninety three, thousand miles battery life expectancy to a million miles. That's a tenfold increase and I guess you could say you know is another huge factor in correcting the misstatement that Ev's are worse or at best equal to ice cars an actual order of magnitude. I still feel like a million mile battery is. Is Not real real because no, no car is going to last a million miles. You're not gonna be able to dry. I love the model three and it's made with some good materials and some other materials, and there's just no way that things holding up for a million but you just take it out after three, hundred thousand and slept in the next. Right, but but they're not doing that. You really feel like tests like if I called Tesla and I was like, Hey, I need a new model three. Can I get one without a battery that they're going to do that or they're going to be like, Oh, just drive your car here. We'll swap the battery on the line for the new and that would be cool. Let us you're right because the the other materials in a coward knocking lost a million miles, the seats and everything could be replaced. So it's really what are they gonNA do I don't know recycle it or put it in a new car or turn it into storage but the the the box of the car is going to lost a lot less longer than the trip the car. That's good. That's good. Unless you do that million miles in like a five year period right in a rideshare situation right then then I could see that happening if you're you know what we did we did some stories I think in the past on New York cabs doing like a couple hundred, thousand miles a year whatever that number is so so if you could do that over the course of five years, you know maybe you to replace a seat here and there but but just that the in that scenario car will asked a million miles sure. But I remember like Mercedes always made big to do. They would give these different colored badges to the front that you'd put on the front of your Mercedes for like a quarter million, a half million, million miles, and I know somebody who had a million Mile Mercedes and I understand that certainly not every Mercedes cars chance that car's GonNa get demolished in an accident before it breaches a million miles pretty darn high based on the way we drive. I was a member of the high mileage club with my Volvo to forty d. l., and it had two hundred. I bought it with one hundred, thirty thousand miles on it and got one hundred thousand mile. Badge and then I, got the two hundred thousand mile, badge and I sold it for with like two hundred and fifty thousand miles on it. So. The differences those ice cars had a lot more moving parts than the Tesla's do. And you know I think that a lot of Tesla's will probably last a long time and where do a lot of cars go when it doesn't meet our standards in the first world they go south of the border, they go to Mexico south, America to Africa to the less well-off countries and are we sold their like entire you know shipping vessels that are full of these I don't know. Previously loved cars and so how many Tesla? What's the opportunity for these Tesla's with seats that are Warren are creaky or with windows that don't quite work. So well, you know going to these lesser well off nations to be used there. So I think a million mile battery is great I'm excited about that which will talk about in a few minutes about Battery Day but let me just touch on the other things like. The third assumption they made, which was at the power grid is you know got so much carbon in it and many of these studies they all said or they all were working from the assumption that the power grid would never improve that it was static but just at the beginning of this month, September first Bloomberg published that solar and wind represented two thirds of all new power capacity added in two thousand nineteen. This is worldwide just in the state to thirds of the power that was added to the worldwide electrical grid was renewable and that fossil fuel sources shrunk twenty five percent in a single year. That's pretty fantastic. So if you're driving an electric car, you are charging off of more renewable sources. Even if you don't even pay attention like you don't have your own power while your own solar panels, Rhone Windmill, you're getting it and there are, of course, some pockets I dunno West Virginia where that may not be the case, but it's changing and changing on a wholesale basis. The fourth thing they said was that a lot of the tests that were done comparing ice cars to vs were done APP at the. Expense of automakers. So automakers come out they're the ones who are supposed to show how many miles EPA the car gets. They're paying for all these tests and there's some governmental oversight were they. You know standard is things in the kind of May be observed but these tests are being done by people who have a vested interest which they are due in this article could have skewed the results in favor of the companies producing the tests because no, they're profit centers, General Motors, Ford their profit centers are in ice cars. But they all make their all in on TV's you hear time and time again, all these companies they're all how could they be skewing data and be all in uneven Robert doesn't make any sense. How Much Co two is generated Batteries? Yes. They put that into the studies, but they don't include the data of how much co two his generated when you're distilling. The crude oil into its derivatives of gasoline and diesel. So distilling gasoline out of crude oil ads, thirty percent more emissions thirty percent. So take what comes out of the tailpipe third of that thirty percent of that is been already admitted on top of that from the distillation process, and it's only slightly better with diesel twenty, four percent more admissions come. Emissions I want to say that correctly. Emissions come from the distillation process. And lastly, combustion engines they they cannot get more efficient like the they've sort of plateaued in how good the fuel injection catalytic converting the various methods that are used to squeeze more of the energy out of the fuel source. They're not going to get much better and fact the truth of the matter is that so much of that energy that comes from the gasoline is just lost in heat and that can't be changed much further whereas in Evey is efficient from the start because they don't generate all that. Heat, which is just lost and wasted. And then I added that none of these considerations take into account the reduced maintenance. The fewer parts like how many parts has your cars have your ev cars actually required you like they take brake pads what do they do at the used ones they throw them in the landfill they take out you know sparkplugs they take out you know spark plug wires and distributor caps or I don't know all the different parts, the extra filters in. The oil that gets changed every so many thousand miles all that stuff is trash it caused it could took carbon to make it, and now we're just gonNA use the landfills to store it, which much of it has got some toxicity to it, and so eady's requires so many fewer parts and replacements when it comes to the drive train and the brakes so. Go Out and buy navy yep well. I've read. You know that it's there was a let's he's an. Environmental engineer saying it's actually likely in the next few years that will be at least ten times less polluting than gas cars. Because of all of the things you've said because of the increasing generation of all of the fuel is being renewable. For example, I never you know my own my feels new at this point. The fact that people like Ilana really pushing minus to go to a fully electric mining system instead of a diesel based mining system that. Could be absolutely enormous as well. So you put all those things together in your ev is way cleaner and as the illness said, many times as you get the cleaner and cleaner grid that cog, it's cleaner and cleaner and up but the guests gets cleaner, it's always dirty. Very nicely done Robert. Navy. These story and truck semi semi trailers even better and so we need a lot of electric cars. We've got some good ones. Nicole has got a really great one except it only works when push it downhill. This was blowing up all over social media. In fact, last night I was on the Tesla Club Los Angeles Board of directors call and somebody asked me 'cause I do this podcast they said Robert Are you holding onto your Nicola stock. You know for the for the truck manufacturer and I said, now I think I'm just GonNa, hold on it and let it coast which. Is the basics of this. There's been this back and forth right there was a lawsuit they're fighting between Tesla and Nikola over. Technology being used in their truck. The Guy who runs Nikola Trevor Milton has been sort of called out a few times as misstating and under performing and just kind of like this sort of a bit of A. Feels uncomfortable and Originally, this was truck that was supposed to revolutionize transportation. But the thing was like a fuel cell it was electric and fuel cell which to me kind of smacked of an ugliness because you know most of the hydrogen that's being used in all of these few sell cars comes from methane, natural gas and It's just a fallacy that somebody's making hydrogen from water and son that's just not happening and so what happened in the last week is that Nikola made all of these boasts about their truck and it turns out that there was a lot of Flimflam. They have not adequately replied to the questions that a number of investors have made such as this commercial that they show where this beautiful sleek truck is out. I don't know somewhere in the southwest big basin with desert all around and the truck is just going beautifully and. Stops at a stop street and our intersection out in the middle of nowhere, and there's drone footage and all this stuff, and it turns out that the grade on that road is like a one or two percent downhill. But from the angles you see and what you see I never even suspected that or I guess I'm just freakin gullible that I wouldn't think that some company with throw a vehicle on a road that is sloping downward have no motor pushing it and film it as if the God damn thing is running that's. Crazy it just. Really. Thought it was. Awesome. What we want this Truck Company work all low emission vehicle companies to work but. That was boy did you think that nobody was going to find out you? Plus. It plus it just it makes everybody question everything ev companies are doing i. mean we do enough of that on this show? Ev. Company. So like I get it but at least we're we want them to succeed. We're just very skeptical of what they're doing because we just keep hearing over and over again different. Information that turns out to not be true but you can't do stuff like this. Come on like there are people who have put their hard earned money into this company, and this is just not helpful is not helpful for that aspect of it and it's definitely not helpful for you know again, electrifying America as we and I'm just glad that you know ice. Companies don't do stuff like this like they don't. They don't you know fake diesel emissions or something like that. I mean that doesn't happen. So. Volkswagen. But. I hate. But there was a cow was revealed this week. There what it is very accelerating that I mean I. Wasn't actually revealed this week. Field it wasn't it was re. Field idioms reveal. Because we read. Field. So many things I remember being at a reveal party for this vehicle like I don't even know how long ago been three years maybe. At the Peterson. And it was wonderful back then but we're still waiting. Any. Is Very. Excited about this vehicle because it has what he refers to as. Technology. There's one number. Crowd about with. Good point mill before we get into that is it is it cool technology or is it this one number that Robert is referring to that? Really made you excited about this vehicle it's one number is just what I can give you the number that would make you unexcited about this video vehicle. So your number is five seventeen. Yeah. My number is a hundred and sixty thousand. Your numbers bigger than mine. Your number is range. My number is price so. If you had again, if you could get a model wi with five hundred, seventeen miles of range and they were like, Hey, dude, hundred and sixty K.. Would your answer be sure bring it on. Your. Off excited because this is the guy that built the Model S.. What's his name up by hand not by hand what's his or Rawling ten so he worked in the mud less really was the genius behind the model as walked in one day and said, Hey, what do you think of Arizona? It's terrible. Let's Redo the whole thing and said, they redid the whole thing. So this guy's for real he's he's a player, but they've got incredibly efficient. It's only got one hundred thirteen kilowatts. It looks like it's. Nearly twenty percent more efficient than a tesla. The reason I love this is because you know that is like this cannot stand we must have acre with more range and I'm a suspect on day one. The things that they will reveal is that one of the house is going to have five hundred and fifty miles and ranch, and this is the kind of pissing on each other that I like it's called a roadster. No I think it's GonNa as in the X.. Is GonNa, hit it but let's finish talk me about the lucid air which we saw revealed on September ninth. It's a pretty slick looking car. Re Re reveal right exactly hundred thirteen kilowatt hour battery five, hundred, seventy miles of range. Seventeen, seven, five, one, seven CCS charging which is going to be free for three years. But that's that has to do with your one, hundred, sixty, thousand number. They say, it's electro. For electrify America. So that means that both electrify America charging stations across the world. You'd be able to charge for free for three years. There's more stations than that. Missile Stations. I. Know there is but that's not funny. Not at three fifty probably yes. At least fifty is not very many of those. It's supposed to be seventeen percent more efficient than a tesla interesting. It's got a thousand and eighty horsepower. They've changed Arthur's power. My that is a lot of horsepower in the way they're getting it is because they've changed the battery architecture, it's running a nine hundred volt system. That's a lot of volt. What is Tessa. Hundred nine volts. Tesla's based on. Three hundred seventy five for the S and X and three, hundred fifty for the three. Ny I sound smart because Robert put it in the show notes not own it man own at Tom. All I know is that with more v there's more push. So, okay, and there's a bunch of Youtube ng the lucid air up against a Model S. P. One hundred D, and it smokes it. It really does they're using three motors and they're saying that they're zero to sixty is two point five seconds. With a nine point second quarter mile. It's a pretty nice looking car. Yeah spacious big in the back to You know like when I saw it in person, it's it's a lovely vehicle. All kidding. Aside, it is a lovely vehicle I really again hope they can make it hope they can make it in quantity. Hope. Hundreds of thousands of people want to buy one. Yeah and You know move the ball forward as it pertains to all the stuff there will be and ninety, five thousand. Dollar model available in twenty, twenty one and a standard model available for Eighty K. and around twenty twenty two. So following that Tesla model of, let's pay to build this company on the backs of people who can afford it all for that turns out. There's a lot of very rich people in this country I have an interesting list I can share with you guys. Later if you'd like about how many rich people there are this country yeah, it is it was staggering. Staggering, there's probably an entire market in the Arabian peninsula because they got a billion dollars from Saudi Arabia and if you look at what's going on in to by I didn't share this with you guys. But I, spent like forty five minutes down a rabbit hole looking at the excesses that occur in Dubai and I expected a bunch of these cars are going that direction as well. So they're opening up a showroom, it's going to be at nine, nine, zero to two, Wilshire Boulevard You can see the beginnings of it already if you go on Google maps, it's very exciting and I'm looking forward to going to the showroom and they're gonNA put another showroom at the century city. Mall. It's called Westfield Century City which is where Tesla has one of its premiere showrooms. So I wonder if they're going to be like right across the walkway from and everybody'll be. Just walking back and forth deciding should I buy a tesla that has a lot of like fake stuff in it or am I gonNa pay this me back style luxury sedan. Curious. Know you talked about the acceleration stuff but a number of people have noticed they didn't race a tesla that was using cheetah mode, which is a little bit faster again, and the pled mode model s we expect might be released or Yeah probably released around Battery Day, which is the three motor. cheater mode just so that it can be a lucid here now. This will not stand right I mean like Tesla's GonNa do something. To, Tesla an Ilan's been tweeting himself in plaid jackets and stuff. So this. is going to be really I. It's just a wing match I mean does anybody really need to go from zero to sixty in two seconds? No, but If He's got traffic to get through. No not anymore used to be fun but now the traffic's back to where it was before it's kind of nuts. But. It's a wheel. So you posted a photo of it. Sorry Robert but you photo of it it's got some really innovative wheel design I think You know my guess is that those are kind of solid to get most most efficiency out of them and they look they look really nice. The car itself has a wonderful profile again, very roomy in the back. It has a it almost feels like. Like station wagon fields got a big old hatchback in the seats can fold down and it's it could be quite a wonderful vehicle and again like at eighty thousand dollars depending like let's say the eighty thousand version has three hundred miles of range. I mean again, that's for a lot of people that'd be a wonderful alternative. Get some you know lovely more robust charging stations and and you got yourself a another another easy option. Yeah, I'm. I'm all excited about having plenty of TV options. So that's like we're we're saying we want everybody to to be successful and. The question is can cadillac pull it off. I don't know Robert. Candidates can cadillac pull it off. They have a pretty cruel looking ev that issue agan. Yeah. It's. They're all. Looking, they're kind of looking like They're looking like station wagons. They all have like a roof that a roof line that extends way back to the rear wheels and the rear wheels are pushed back a lot farther because Cadillac has adopted the seem skateboard design for its battery as Tesla, which I'm I'm happy with I mean it works well for Tesla I. Enjoy. My Tesla's so let Cadillac use it what the Hell so in twenty twenty two, this is the Cadillac. Lyric L. Y. R. I. Q. Lyric It's supposed to start below sixty thousand. So fifty, nine, nine, nine, nine, and it's going to be sort of similar to midsize luxury SUV's and how they're they're priced and it's GonNa yeah. The Guy who. tweeted about what the price is it's almost like. What do they call that? It's some sort of a puzzle that he gave. You know it's like not this but a little before that and this and that but bottom line is about sixty thousand, three, hundred miles of range It's going to have hundred and fifty kilowatt charging. Which is I mean it's on a continuum, right? So if you plug into a two hundred kilowatt charger, it's only gonna be able to pull one fifty. So it's not to be the fastest charging car. They're going to have a home charging at nineteen kilowatts, which is pretty generous and what I put down here was something that Fred Lambert road because I got this off electric. Thank you to Fred. He says, now it's mean issue is that it's coming out in twenty twenty two. I think it could be a success right now. But in two years, the market will have already evolved in ev spaces moving so fast. He's basically saying. Good Luck Cadillac your little slow to the to the starting gate. That's a good point again I at the end of two, thousand, twenty, two because really it's supposed to be a twenty twenty three model rates. He'll probably coming out like late, twenty, twenty two. If they can if all the things go and then it's like how many are they gonNA produce in that first year if you go to the comments section and I thought this was actually very insightful by lot of the readers of electric. A lot of people were like thinking about like typical GMC model which we don't see on Tesla but they're like under sixty thousand but that'll be base price without any options or dealer markups and people are like that guy could be fifteen thousand more basically every single one on the lot which again is. Is still cheaper than the base price of the lucid. But in terms of the model that people are really starting to come to enjoy from vs is like this is the car there are no options except for like color and maybe interior color for the most part for Tesla, you could buy like a full self-driving premium but like there's three or four things to choose from, there's not clear code and this and the driver experience package in the X Y and Z. so that was pretty interesting to see like how the actual product is sold. But again, they're calling this an suv look like an SUV. It looks like a station wagon in my opinion. That's not necessarily bad. But let's call cars what they are and not try to pretend it's not tall enough in my opinion to be an SUV. It looks it looks wonderful. It's got. It's got the same style of door handles that the model three has upside down or the Model S. They're interesting. I wonder if they're gonNA pop in and out. Yeah I mean that's a that'd be a that'd be an option but. Whatever I mean if it sells more cars electric versus non electric I'm all for it. Right and it's GM rights. GM's got this. They're they're working on the Hummer which we're about to talk about again, want gm to be successful especially, if they're going to pour twenty billion dollars into this, and the only way that these companies are going to keep pouring money into the EV space is a if they're forced to which they're not and be if they're making money and people want. Them and people buy them and again people want to buy them but people need to know how to charge them. They need to know where to charge them. They need to be informed. They need to be able to get charging for people who live in apartments right? I mean half of the people in the world maybe more. So living apartments in right charging in an apartment is is is still. Not Easy Right let's talk about the Hummer. The Hummer I thought the Hummer was dead and gone since for so many years it was the symbol of mass consumption of petrol and was talking about it's a beautiful truck. So is foul on old had his Hama converted to electric which is amazing but he has Yama God. God smacked with Mandi. The New Hammer, which will be revealed October twentieth to Tom, which is like delayed by five months is going to show which is going to be showed by GM as an all electric It includes crab mode Tom, this is perfect for you. Yeah. I saw this and I tried to find video. They aren't showing there's not very much video. They have this one drone shot of it driving through like a very tight forest road they don't show the crab, but apparently, it can kind of move sideways, which would be cool and useful if you like understood how to drive it side know like now I can't really compute that in terms of like if I've been driving over rocks like I know that my car typically wants to go straight and I gotta turn it a little bit to to get it i. don't understand what they mean by crab mode so I'd have to see. It but I'm excited that they're at least thinking about that community when when building the truck, my understanding was that they have it built with an electric motor with each wheel. So they can turn each wheel without having to worry about axles and the connecting devices, and it also helps with the clearance, and so they can actually turn all four wheels at once so that the truck can move almost sideways which I guess is a feature maybe that exists for me. -tary purposes but I agree you know WanNa be on the highway and activate crab mode because you'll be rolling around a in a way that's not very fun. I wanted to make that like noise of like a crab ticking over rocks to when you put a criminal be like. Going to have a thousand horsepower, it's going to scale. The battery pack can scale to two hundred kilowatt hours and it will have to because it's going to eight thousand pounds, right. Does and It's It's going to come in a pickup truck and an SUV mode and and it's going to include Super Cruise Super Cruise. What's that? It's a GM's advanced driver assistance system which jet like self driving. Yeah. That's like autopilot, which is all auto less. You get the most recent update of autopilot, which I don't WanNa talk about it's got it on the way here it's might stalling. White Oh let's keep talking. Let's talk. Let's just talk about the Hummer. Let's just keep talking about power really WanNa, talk about the Hummer it doesn't have. It doesn't have lithium ion batteries. Yeah, the eliminated lithium they're doing. At NC M, a chemistry battery NCAA stands for nickel cobalt, magnesium and aluminium, and the cobalt has been reduced by seventy percent, which is good for the children of Africa that have to be forced down into the minds but maybe not so good for their parents who depend on their income. That's a whole nother rabbit hole. But one of the coolest things I thought was that they managed to design the best the wiring harness to have eighty percent less wiring. As, compared to the bolt. So. This is another impressive because this thing is huge. Yeah. And the wires especially, the wires that are that drive the electric motors they are fat fat. Copper wires, and that stuff's really heavy. So all in all, they're expecting with their pouch cells to be able to produce for under one hundred kilowatt one hundred dollars per kilowatt hour, which is, of course that holy grail that makes electric cars able to compete with ice cars. But if we talk about, you know carbon offsets that that there are there already so much better. Now, when is his? Hundred bucks per kilowatt hour is. Impressive. We hope to in battery data here that test is going to be under that. But when is this supposed to be able to be done? This is probably Well. That's when they're gonNA do the reveal. But when it's actually going to be available is definitely not going to be any sooner than a year from now and more likely two years from now, which is sort of the pattern of the big legacy automakers as they announced and it's two to three years before they actually have any substantial amount of those vehicles available to purchase. Now, do you think they do that to like keep people from continuing to by Tesla? Like other EV's gets really it is interesting right? Like why wouldn't they be just like, Hey, here's a new car. Go Get one tomorrow right as opposed to like what are they doing this for they trying to prove to investors that they're doing something because then they just keep stopping it's like how many like how long ago did GM announced this thing and how many times have they delayed and many times has the Ford Electric truck been announced and delayed like where's that thing like? Could imagine at the Apple Event and he's the new iphone and the camera is better and it's got light our and it does. This and we've got and it's coming out in threes. Is opposed to as opposed to Friday EXAC like as opposed to order one now, you'll have it in a month. Yeah we're lucky like, yeah it's it is I mean obviously, phones are smaller and easier to make than trucks but. Again like this technology is not super new and and I don't know again a two hundred kilowatt hour battery to have a Hummer I. Get it. You gotTA, fit. Like you gotta make cars for all segments of the of the automobile world, and this is yet another segment of the automobile world. I don't know what I'd rather have this or or. The. Riven or Ford F one fifty or what's the ones trump could be Pollard bollandbranch. baller volunteer volunteer. So I again, I want these to come out but agree but again, how many? are going to be made each year. How many of these are going to be made each year they're all basically just going to some small segment of people who want that kind of colour need that kind of vehicle like the balancers basically a truck truck it has no airbags. It's not really you know that safe when it comes to highway driving it's meant for somebody who's got like a ranch in their hall and around Livestock and you know driving over. UNIMPROVED, very unimproved roads. So but that's fine. We need those vehicles because the alternative is like an F. three, fifty that Burns. F-. Ton of fossil fuels. Any guesses which one of these three is for sale I. Are we going to do another bet and put another five dollars? because. We don't we don't keep track of those anyways. So that's just ridiculous but we got the lucid right we got the Cadillac lyric and we got the Hummer I say lucid comes out I I agree. Third Agree. Well then. They've said they're coming out. sailed. Date they built like a whole stable of lucid cars. There's pictures online on the lucid website where there's like twenty or twenty, five cars all in one covered garage, which looks pretty impressive. There is a j Lo's image. No the lucid whatever facility they've got their plant in in Arizona, it's they call it a Greenfield plant. I had to go look up with that meant it means that they're basically taking a field with green stuff growing in it. And plowing down to build a factory. So we've lost little Kurban sequestering going on there but they're building their plant now. So they're planning on producing starting at the beginning of the year. We'll see it's pretty sweet I now, and you know this hammer or the Cadillac are probably not likely to end up. Doing a rideshare for Uber but what Dubar is planning? Don. is to go all electric. Sure. Are they now a-? Game when you go in, you're watching on down the street new. York. City and some dude has like a little pop up table and he's got shells and he's moving them around and you're going to try and guess where the coin is. Well I mean. So they said they wanted to go this wire dot com story they wanted to go full they want to go fully electric by twenty twenty three. And then they looked around and they realized that we don't actually own any of these cars that people drive in and they had to. figure out like what we really WanNa do that lift is also saying they want to do that by twenty thirty. So that's That's a decade from now. Tesla might have built twelve more gigafactory at that point if they can get autonomous driving taking care of and we're going to talk about that next if they can get autonomous driving taking care of and build their own rideshare network. Uber who lift what? Excuse me. Yeah there was one like no, I'm sorry but like like there will be there already be fully electric fleets, but they will be owned and operated from freemont California opinion. Yeah. Once a Tesla and judging from how Mel was gushing about the latest software update. Once Tesla flips the switch and there is one region of the country that allows the cars to drive fully autonomous like level five. This is all over. Again and go back like we've talked about this many many times like these ride hailing, they have to do this. They have to make this move into all electric because they each right hill ridesharing trip produces an average of sixty nine percent more greenhouse gas emissions than the actual trip what displays. Because they're driving because if you drive two miles that means the driver had to drive two miles to get you so and they idol, they sit in the airport for a long time idling waiting to come get you. So there's all kinds of issues with and it's three times more impact than if you bought an electrified personal car for yourself and that is actually quite interesting because you would think, okay, you gotta right your vehicle it's more. Efficient use of the vehicle itself but it's a very bad use efficient inefficient use of the energy used to turn that car around. The downside of this obviously is that these are people who are you know have a lot of people who drive for these companies these are their second jobs they're using us to supplement their income and these fees are costing. You know ten ten thousand more than ice cars depending on the EV and if you're driving. An e car as a as a rideshare driver, you're going to want to have it be able to fast charge. You're going to want to have a fast charging network and a lot of places, and then your options are even are even more limited unfortunately, not gone in bigger cities obviously. But in small places like where are you getting to charge your car quickly after doing two hundred miles of driving in a today you know a couple of trips to the air from the airport, to Orange, county, or whatever, and you you need to re you need to recharge your car. So. I think it's great that they're trying to do this. It's just how are they gonNA do they said they're gonNA give incentives to these drivers to go electric but they're already profitable. So where is this money coming from? They were also going to do some kind of deal with Avis who was going to I, guess by the electric cars and then loan lease. Or rent them or share them with the driver's it sounds kind of like I said a little bit of a shell game but one of the things that probably left me feeling the most warm and fuzzy after reading this article is that one of their EV ambassadors who's been driving Chevy volt for the last two years I guess he's done sixty thousand miles. Of Ride sharing with his e with his Chevy, Bolt and he says writers love the car. he's become an impasse eter quote they get in and they say I've never ridden in electric car. How do you like it where you charge it I'm thinking about getting one and there's a guy who did that with his Tesla model three right andy is it indy Sykes I think that was his name. He's a guy who got famous and got a lot of recognition from eon for putting out a bunch of youtube where he got a brand new model three put a bunch of cameras in it started doing ruber rides. Around like somewhere in the mid West and getting all these reactions from people, and then he posted these videos one after another after another where people are so excited to be in an electric uber and now he just put out one where he's had the car two years. Did it again? This is not his job to do uber. He was just doing it for I guess Youtube notoriety and he went out and did it again and people again were very positive. So you know that might be a reason for Chevy or Cadillac or Tesla or somebody to help kind of subsidize this because it's going to put more cars and other people's hands although. Tesla's probably GONNA give. They couldn't give a crap when it comes to this because everything's going to be autonomous soon. I've said for one point, eight, million years if Uber had a section where it's like SUV and all the other ones. Electrica I would click that every time but no. But how long would you wait for that car? White significantly longer and. Organize myself around a little bit more. But yeah, there's some point which you know you need to have a significant number of cars I did. Talk to a guy that drove a bolt on Uber and he said the only problem it's the maintenance is great and everything's good. But they weren't enough fast charging stations for the bolts. He would have to spend a Lotta time charging, which was a big pain for him. It breaks up your time and you don't want to get some and you definitely don't want to pick up somebody and be sort of ranging Zayed's with a with a customer in your vehicle like that's that's. On the thing that's the way they want to go and you're like taking that one because it's too far away. Yeah. But let's talk about a tournament struggle because ladies and gentlemen goals. Model three here in. House. A software upgrade. This morning and That self grade software upgrade mowing Lula what is my number here? Let me. Pull up three rows, twenty, twenty, thirty, six, Ten, twenty, two, hundred, thirty, six, ten, and what this upgrade does if you've got. The We three point Oh. Is that you know I'll never get on autopilot will say you know we're cruising along here and you should probably change lanes right now. So could you manually do that? It's taken that away. So you can just a drive me to x and it will just change lanes without getting your intervention. You should definitely stay in control because they say this is very much better but I drove from Oxnard to home and the car did the whole thing and only one to do the city streets did did the city streets as well from your house tie didn't try with city streets. It didn't try that I actually took over because the traffic was. Getting. Off The freeway I don't think I didn't say about transitioning off the streets in down. Streets I think that'll be the next thing we see with the upgrades with the new writing the code but on the freeway at least it's basically fully autonomous except for the one time that slammed on the brakes for no reason except that one time keep doing that why is the thing doing? It's con- transitioning and it just flipped out I. Don't know if it's GonNa, go faster or slower. So we're going to slam the brakes like please. Don't that happened to me three times when I drove recently to San Louisa Bisbo each time kind of approaching. It was a sunny day approaching overpass. So I think it was confused by the shadow on the ground potentially and like I was in the fast lane and it just land on the break. So I went from like seventy five to fifty luckily, the car behind me was paying attention but it was like you got to take over me I reacted very very quickly. But like there you're still you know that thing a accelerates fast and also breaks pretty darn fast as well. So when it wants to stop, it can stop on a dime and it wanted to stop and it was very, very scary bug report. Yeah that doesn't work like you push the button and say Tesla bug report. Yeah. Have you ever had that work successfully I mean it just records what you say and suppose. Because either supposedly disengaged the autopilot. So I mean, I send those all the time and the system is getting better whether or not they give a crap about my bug reports or not I can't tell you. But I have some faith I mean, I had the same thing I was coming back from I it was oxnard probably two two and a half weeks ago and I hit some spot on the freeway where damages hit the brakes and I have my car before this update right 'cause my car's updating right now while I'm here in studio and I switched it over to do everything automatic and I will come back and if I if I don't if. I tell it to navigate on autopilot. It will change lanes it'll get out of the fast lane when the number two lane is open so that I'm not blocking the fast lane but when I get aggravated about is that it'll take me like out it'll change lanes and I'm like why changing lanes there's a car that slow just up ahead then it gets right up behind that car and changes lanes right back and then it might go back and forth and back and forty. It's just like I'll just sit myself in the number two lane and turn off navigate on autopilot and they've fixed that because they now have or at least partially fixed navato button that says. Don't take me out of the fast lane a few think I shouldn't be in the fast lane. So that happens all the time fifty-nine shifting is now can just say, yeah, I'M GONNA drive at seventy five miles an air in the fall slim and don't take me out of it because I want to stay here it's so who can keep you in that lane? All right. That's better. I like that. So is it time if I were to announce like, Hey, we released this new software update. It's amazing. And somebody tweeted hey, on how about a one week discount two, thousand dollars on full self driving is a time for me to pull the trigger on that Elvis and do either. One of you have two thousand dollars. I this is definitely. Beta. Software, but it's it's really I think the biggest jump that I've seen like. Self driving. It's coming not too far away because this really is on the freeway self driving it is changing lanes for you. It's really starting to get there and keeps tweeting this new stack that they riding is the he put it full pushed it forward again, another six to ten weeks he says it's going to be exponentially better. That's the one the L. that he's using the drives him on the freeway on the road to and from work. So I can see that we might within a couple of months he going oh my gosh. I can actually drive in most circumstances from my house onto the freeway on the road to my house. Because I see the future and it is light pole touching and. That's my line. Himself to. A. Slab, the brain. So you're saying that Tesla is going to really be stacked. Is Super Stacked Baby. It's going to be great. Let's talk about exciting things that day I wanted to do some wall speculating because we've been wildly. So. Can we keep doing oddly enough oddly enough easy lawn has been on twitter. Talking about Battery Day Tweeden about Battery Day and there's this article in Barron's of Dot com about Tesla's stock rising when he tweets and we all know that it happens but so according to. Conversations that we've had over the years and barons. Article and they sort of made it very succinct about like what are the four things we have to look forward to as pertains to battery day a battery cost be battery reliability see manufacturing capacity very important and a new technology so. Let's talk about battery. Cost I, right. So getting better cost below one hundred kilowatt hour is the number floated with the in the industry and this would make the battery for a model three amount y cost around six to six or seven thousand dollars based on like. The smaller, the standard range versus the long range version I don't know what they're paying currently right now I mean is that is it widely known what Tesla's paying or what a batteries costing now Tesla? So Clearly not saying. Right right so so but like what are the? What is the wild speculation? Is it twice that? Is it fifty percent more than that? Like what is the? Current number because I don't know the most current number but sort of six months a year ago they were saying that they already thought that they are pretty close to the hundred kilowatt. Mock and at day is probably going to say we are now significantly another one hundred bucks per kilo that is the presumption. Okay. So I mean, let's let's say what they're going to get considerably below or right around one hundred kilowatt hour, and that's going to be the magic thing that's going to help propel tesla to make. A cheap cheap car like a an inexpensive let's not call. Let's call inexpensive under thirty thousand dollar car now battery reliability. So like I don't personally see this as an issue for evening in general and we're GonNa talk about battery reliability and the next story but only car really that I can think of that that I know people talk about battery. Degradation being an issue has been the leaf right? Otherwise they sorta don't degrade in great great numbers you know I, it depends plus minus how much range they start with. But for the most part I don't really believe battery degradation is an issue if that's the function of reliability like I don't feel like that's that's old like old navy news batteries are. Great Technology works like the proof of concept has been done right? Like they're conceptually and literally vs work. The next one is capacity. Now, this is a kind of a big one and this isn't capacity of the batteries, but this is the capacity to make enough batteries and we've talked about this ad nauseam time and time again is the only thing. Keeping the roadster on the road off the road right now, battery production is the only thing keeping the semi off the road right now, battery production is the only thing keeping the cyber truck off the road right now, battery production, and if Tesla can fix that in any way shape or form and the you know that then they they've got they've got. Vehicles in the pipeline right now ready to go. They've got three vehicles ready to go not one not two but three vehicles that people have put their hard earned money down on that like. If they had enough batteries, they could make right and so they the wall. STREET EXPECTS TESTS US sales to increase forty percent, but can they make enough batteries they've made? Panasonic's doubled the not doubled up, re up their investment in the gigafactory and they're gonNA be trying to increase capacity there. Obviously, we have the Austin gigafactory coming online we're going to have the German gigafactory online. So hopefully, that's going to satisfy the battery thing, but really, it needs to get super ramped up thoughts on that gentleman they are super veteran constrained right now. Illinois has talked about it battery walls right now hard really hard to get. Supposed to be full coming from the studio and I just got the email this morning that they've been delayed again like trying to get these veterans and the talking to test their intestines like we're trying to can definitely a crunch again. This happened and they seem to have caught up early in the year but now a game counseling fossils but yeah I think this is the big deal the The demand is the demand is kind of overwhelming for the cars and for the battery walls and for the mega packs and. I think that's why there is this rush to build these gigafactory. PINTA factories, terra factors, actors, the colonial because it's the batteries where the problem is. And the last piece of this is new technology, right? So for me is this, the magic is this the magic of Battery Day general like we know they're reliable. So we don't have to worry about that. We think they're working on capacity so that shouldn't be an issue. We think they're going to get battery cost below one hundred. So really at this point. The. Magic of battery is what is the technology? What is the capacity of these batteries? Will this be the driver of that next level of exponential growth? Like can they get a battery? That's super reliable, super efficient for under one hundred, kilowatt an hour and could they turn that into a sub thirty thousand dollars Tesla right? If they started to drop model model threes. Or a little smaller version of a model three for under thirty thousand dollars that had access to the super charger network. That would be I mean would there would there be a reason to buy Honda accord at that point or a civic or any of those For the Cape. So Million Mile Battery accept it k they are going to announce a twenty percent increase in capacity. And across the board across the board with new group that they'll put in those batteries twenty percent with a roadmap to fifty percent in the next couple of us. But I think the big thing that is going to happen is the speed of charging because they have to have a significant improvement in speed of charging progressive Cybertrust Progressive Semi And illness already talked about it in terms of the lucid with three hundred and fifty kilowatts that I think is going to be the end one more thing. That he tweeted a few years ago, eight hundred kilowatt charging child's play. I think it was a three fifty porsche portion. He said child's play, but he just recently tweeted about the rate of charging. So I'm going to expect that the big drop the mic moment is going to be done something either. With the battery Goop or probably more likely combination of the group and some cooling a new way of putting the veterans together. So they can cruel them. So that can take charge and the judging rate could be something like four, hundred, fifty it'd be pretty amazing and. Their experience right. They're monitoring every car all the time getting charged either at at level one level two, level three, level three, two, hundred and fifty kilowatts rate. So they can see what's going on with every car every battery they can even look down to the individual cell when you crack behind the sort of firewall of looking at the car. So they've got so much data that they can crunch and that they can use to see that their original plan, which was you know you can't charge the card this much on supercharging. We're GONNA limit your miles on supercharging. We're GONNA limit your discharge in acceleration you know all of that controversy that Tesla's. Stumbled into during the earlier years they've backed off they've they've increased people's mileage. They've increased the charging speed even without the newer battery technology only because they've gotten more experience and more confidence and I think that's also going to drive a part of what we're going to see on battery day yet, and do you think that's why they're slow the like the SLA rollout of two hundred and fifty kilowatt charge superchargers is a little slower than we might have expected initially because they really have been like Oh. This thing is coming. We don't WanNa make too many of these two fifties because we're going to have to put some five hundred. Well, I haven't theory. The other drop the MIC moment. They're going to say and guess what Those v Threes. We can flip the switch on those puppies input significantly more Jews through them. They're actually three hundred and fifty four, hundred kilowatt charges. They're just going to say ha trick you. It's not Max attitude fifty it makes five hundred go to just a big thumbs up to or. Big Middle Finger to VW and electrify America and and portion everyone else who thinks three fifty is the. Holy Grail. The other thing I think they're going to be able to do is say that the battery packs with a newer chemistry are going allow for more range and for model s the top of the Line Model S. I think they're going to announce five hundred and twenty miles of range right? That one hundred. One. From today hundred, all these things will be answered. That's more than twenty percent increase in ranch. It is and you know what it is. It's three miles more than the lucid air. Yes I like I agree I. Think it's going to be more than the lucid. And maybe with a hundred and twenty kilowatt pack. or a little bigger pack but the same amount of range, it'll be an interesting pled lip pled model s has increased efficiency because they putting some new electric motors in there and one hundred twenty. Betcha pack they could get over five hundred that would be. Impressive. Battery Day things that you think they're gonNA drop Ivdr up my. bums who. So if the Model S. can go up twenty percent than the model, why and the model three could probably approach four hundred miles yet the percent would be on the three, three, sixty, three, eight, six, three, sixty, three, seventy that basically because it's three tend for the long range one. But again, like why do it on that car like isn't the better move to make that car cheaper so more people want it. And keep the same profit margin, but just make more of them like, right what's the sweet spot when it comes? That's my take right like like make the thing dirt cheap make that thirty, five, thousand dollar Tesla reality to both do both ever a standard range and then a long range in the long range is really long. It's three, fifty s four hundred and the standard is much cheaper just do both. Keep thin, but that takes away from it. We've talked about in the past, which is that differentiation between the X and Maybe, that doesn't matter as much anymore again, like they're all their eggs are in the three y basket at this point in the. Sort of the bespoke vehicles, but you still WANNA, make them attractive to the people who you're s will be five, hundred, twenty miles and it'll go from zero to sixty in like point. One second said the why will never do that right but there's enough there. And then you have the, you have the cost situation right? Where you're like, okay I'm going to get a model. Wi with almost four hundred miles for sixty five thousand dollars or I'm going to get a model s with just a little over five hundred and it's going to be a hundred and twenty, five, thousand dollars which one of those are you by? I care that don't care I mean they've said that s an exit this point basically they make them because they love them historically note because that's the future. The future is an F. ton of threes and wise and cyber trucks. With with long range with long ranch. Okay. All right. So that's a that's a pretty exciting stuff, and then the real question is when they make all these announcements. When does the first car with a new battery get delivered? Is it like within a month visit within a year? Is it with somewhere in between those two I think it's before the end of the year. I think it's before the end of the it from China. And then I don't know how long it's GonNa, take that Fremont new battery thing to start but Before the end of the year in China they will have new veterans. You heard it here first. So they're going have longer range more expensive vehicles in China before they deliver those to the to the North America. Because of capacity. I just don't know with can. Where they can do that here yet I mean they've poor Panasonic's. But. That's GONNA be a little delayed China builds things. So quickly I'm just the whole thing may just thinking. And then and it could be that. They'll say actually no. Austin will have it and Berlin will have it and Then it'll come to these other places. So it might be a bit of a disappointment in that. We're GONNA. Have these much higher range or longer capacity veterans but it's a year away that definitely could have. and. Are they gonNA announce what their capacity, what they believe their capacity to make batteries by the end of the year and will it be two or three times more than every other battery company combined like? What are we really look? It has there for them to do the cyber trucks and semi trucks and all the wise they're gonNA, make an all threes. They're gonNA make an roadster. But all of this, the it's the Mega Paxon it's the. If, they could fulfil the demand that they would have to increase the capacity like today probably five. So it's It's going to be a problem where they're gonNA get all this material from. So now it's you think it's a materials issue as opposed to just putting them through the machines issue. Yeah I. I. Think IT'S A huge mining she wouldn't be loans out there saying, please mind the hell out of nickel and do it cleanly and we'll buy every piece of nickel you can make. I. Think that they're that's where they're going to get bottlenecked is actually at the mine. So so maybe the mining, maybe there will be some sort of mining announcement as part of battery days well, where they're like, Hey, we're going to do this here. You know that's something that hasn't wasn't talked about in this article and we I think you're you're one of the few people that I've heard sort of talk about that. Obviously Elon's been talking about it but that could be a key piece of this as well like, Hey, we've made a deal with to produce. X X, Y, and Z. So on that. So Battery Day September twenty second today's the Fifteenth for seven days. Away. Mel Did you get your invitation check? No. Robert did you get your invitations? You've made him. So No, I didn't I didn't get one either. So so the three of us won't be live at Battery Day now do we know at this point whether battery days a live stream event I think it will be I, can't imagine economy mention it won't be and we absolutely should do show. At puppy. We will do a live show that is the twenty second. We should probably do it on the to that is you if we can possibly Yup poll something like that off we're talking next Tuesday same bat time same bat channel. I guess the question is. Check in his at twelve pm according to the invitation. So it might be in the middle of the day that might be I don't know how complicated that will be, but we could at least do it that evening if we can't do it during the event gives us some time to sort of absorb the information but look for us September twenty second, we will be. At, US a media outlet near you. Yeah we'll tweet it out. We'll. We'll let everybody know although most people don't use twitter anymore it's all tick tock. So you know not long Tom you gotTa Tick Tock this one. I don't have TIKTOK. Are you are you? Crazy? Are you available on that? Tuesday robbery. Freedom to get rid of Tiktok in full disclosure because that is one addicting platform man there so much good stuff on take like. A the first time I was up for like three hours in the middle of the night on ticks. I was like Oh this has to go. This is gone out of my life completely. So I was on it for another couple of hours and then I, lied. To too much. It was too. I. Love Zilch Tiktok is Great Yeah Tiktok has made you were made for Tiktok I. Think I feel like it knowing you Love of all things teenager ish like Tiktok is your. Business people doing magic tricks and dances and sixty seconds get. Say. something. Yes correct. Do it again do it again. Probably GonNA. Own. Nicks One Too. Much too much swiping. So we're going to continue to talk about batteries and we're gonNA talk about battery degradation. We're going to try to do this one relatively quickly, but it's basically there's a story and inside vs about the best and worst of. Battery degradation. There's a lot of information in this article, but I wanted to sort of just hit that the top three. The worst of the bottom ten are the Mitsubishi outlander, the Kea Niro. I'm sorry the Mitsubishi Php the Niro. And the previous prime. All of these are like hybrid electrics. Basically, they have a little bit of Pat, battery rage and a lot of regular fuel range. So the Mitsubishi this is basically after one year is where they measured this they measured this degradation the Mitsubishi started with twenty two miles total range lost four point one percent which seems like a huge amount. Less than a mile. So and even if it was a model three at four percent degradation at three hundred and ten miles, we'd be talking about losing twelve miles. So again, I only point this out because I just don't think this that big of a deal as we're seeing multiple vehicles, the Kea Niro PJ three point five percent law. So again, less than one mile of range over the course of a year previous prime less like just barely over a half a mile and like I said like I barely care about these numbers and I put this article in here like these are these are non these. Are Non Issues in my opinion, the top three best are the Chevy volt, which had zero percent degradation had to have something. But maybe it was one of those negligible situations, the Audi, A. Three with point three percent, which it had started with sixteen miles of range in las less than it was like zero, four tenths of a mile. It was like a just a crazy small amount and the Tesla model three point, six percent of degradation, a three, hundred and ten mile range vehicle basically lost one point eight, six miles of range over the course of a year. My a tesla is is currently at like. I. Think Fourteen Thousand Miles and if I fully fully charged, I think I've lost four miles of range basically like so less than one percent and that's a lot of a lot of driving I. don't necessarily drive super slow. Just, to fill out the whole tesla thing, the Model X. point seven percent and the Model S. one point one percent And there is some like interesting things the model. So we have a two thousand thirteen model with eighty, one, thousand miles currently, and currently it's range as one hundred, eighty, six out of the original, two, hundred and ten. So that's twelve percent degradation after seven years of driving that's. That's pretty good. Yeah. My model three has thirty three thousand miles on and I've lost. Four or five miles of range. Rated at three ten I get like three five. After thirty thousand dollars. Yeah. I think what this is like up and down the line and these are these are multiple cars for multiple car companies like battery degradation is just not a major issue. So don't worry about that aspect of it by your car it's GonNa. Last crap ton longer than the battery's going to last a crap longer than the seats and the carpet and all that other stuff. So go for it. Yeah to Chai batteries and a hat, I charge them I, challenge them at home mostly but every now and then. Charge them at supercharged just give the Super Charger Update and tell me that there's eight hundred point seven, three, million, you super judges. I can only say one thing about him superchargers on the Super Charger report. You know we've been in sort of a summer mode with the show a couple of people sent me. Like concerning texts or communications including. Mark from RPM, Tesla's like wait wait wait where's the new show? Where's a new show because we've been three weeks between this show in the last show and three weeks between that show and the one before and though many of our listeners are lamenting that the shows are taking you know kind of this hiatus what they don't realize is that it makes the super charger report so much better because we have time for Tesla to. Put together a lot more superchargers and so the super charger report goes thusly. Open superchargers. twenty-seven. Seven Yeah supercharge. Those. How many of those in North America Robert? Do, we know Let's see. We've got the Las Vegas premium outlets, Taiwan Wyoming Ohio Germany ones not in. North America Germany Finland, Florida Arizona Arkansas. Tennessee Taiwan Vermont Colorado California in Cerebos, which I wasn't too far from I. Didn't stop and check it out Another art an one in Arizona Posso row bless which I don't know you. Twist. Story my son's up there a couple of days ago. said it was delicious two lovely wonderful hundred and fifty kilowatt charging. He sent me a screen shot of the cow doing like eleven hundred miles per hour of judge. What was Fifty. To fifty recently. Official to fifty like Max v Shaul Unbel- I got a photo of it as well. Two hundred and fifty kilowatt at the Madonna in San Louis Abyss. Well, maybe I should send then send you the gift that I brought from market. RPM Tesla which I'll talk about in a second but that this you definitely Shepardson that Hossa Bliss California Super Charger has twenty eight stalls. Wow this huge Let's see the the most. Important. Well. So let me get to construction which is the category that contains the Golden Nugget of this super charger report. There are twenty five superchargers under construction right now, another giant number and you know what's even more giant is the super charger that just got added today in Firebaugh California that is almost at the midpoint between La and San Francisco maybe a little closer to la by a smidge but that super charger is going to have guess how many stalls? Twenty, eight sixty. You're both. Mel is wrong but not by much, it's going to have fifty, six, two, hundred. Kilowatt stall, Paulie Mac, or they're going to be solar powered. And then there's GonNa, be six additional EVI plugs probably like. America or some kind of CCS I imagine that the details on that or not available yet since got posted yesterday today and it's going to include a convenience store and a restaurant. So, you could have Tesla. Yes. Tesla. It's GonNa. Go I gotTa Have Tesla Burger that's impossible as it a test. It's an impossible. That might be in fact, people are already on the Tesla Motor forums putting in things. Have you tried firebaugh? Fire. Fire Ball, which is the entire state of California's a fireball. Known the five this is slade is on the five. It is I should have sent you a picture I'm bit sorry I. Have It on a email that I can forward a t really quickly. But the bottom line is somebody on the test the motor for him was saying, you know this is crazy. Why are they building all of these superchargers here in California So close to cattleman city and not near like places where I think they're needed and somebody tweeted right back to me says, what are you talking about The cattleman city super charger is very overloaded and what I just sent to you is an email with that includes both copy of some of the permit details from this. Fifty six. superchargers station fire Bob. But more importantly there's a picture here of the cattleman city super charger with two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve, fourteen, sixteen, Eighteen about twenty. Tesla's lined up on the street outside. To charge. Twenty. At a superchargers station with forty stalls. Yeah I when it first opened, it was like this is excessive and I went there a couple of years later on a reasonably busy weekend and it was completely full. So Labor Day weekend it was completely full and a line with fifty per how long would that freak intake? That's that's nuts and so more superchargers more superchargers, more superchargers more superchargers. Thank you. Rub It. Oh my gosh, and then when they magically say and they don't judge to fifty, it's five hundred dollars Dilbert it's five hundred I would reduce the speed of you. Charging thank you. There was a couple of good comments on the Tesla. Motors for him where Peo where or in twitter I can't remember which it was where they were wrecked. They're asking Ilan please alon. When I'm approaching a super charger, have the car instruct me which stall I should plug in which stall has the highest. The highest energy output which stall is not broken, which stall is not sharing the circuit with another carcass, right? Not all of us are that clear on the details, the fine details of supercharging. Thank goodness for that because really when I'm using my super charger irritates me when people plug into my valley rights to me Yes oh, eliminate all that stuff right some software and tell me to plug into six a when I. Arrive at that super charger because you have I don't know how quickly this is the only thing I I'm sort of doubting I don't know how quickly they update 'cause I was told that there's like a ten minute lag from the information coming from the super charger to Tesla whatever the mothership but darn they could use you know whatever something like I, Dunno starlink to figure out how to that'd be cool. Here's this better. Here's a super charger tip that I've been doing. I've been going to superchargers with like say a broken ballard. And let's say that broken ballard his five A. Plug into five. No one will take up the other. Really does slow at. Yeah. In Thousand Oaks I think the top number maybe it's. Ten. B- or something is in the handicapped spot. So it's you can't park there. No. So you get the other one. Oh. Yeah. That's good. I didn't think that is a good tip. Approach hip right there boom. Was a pro tip. Yeah. I. Liked that one that I go to that super charger a lot so You use that one. Thank you very much. So spacex launched another sixty starling satellites. And you've not only are they now launching what six times a booster and They're catching the faring hands. It's it's getting although there's some interesting things I've been reading about the faring. There's two things going on with the fairing and and I don't know the last one they're not necessarily catching, but they're recovering it quickly is kind of what they're trying to do. They're like able to there's there's catch and then they're scoop and apparently like they'd rather catch but they're taking the scooby ones to if they can get selective landed in the ocean and then they'll go and scoop them up and then try. To. Make sure they're out of the seawater as quickly as possible, and they're not really being super transparent with the catching scoop, which which is which what is happening. That's the one thing I wish I would know more information about our could find more information about but September third, they launched sixty starlings from thirty, nine a, and that was the first Starlink mission in September and the sixteenth mission so far in two thousand twenty, which is pretty darn impressive and like you said, that was the first time. That they launched and landed a booster six times, six times Robert that is not freaking. Awesome. Incredible. Amount of like you're talking about sixty engines that they didn't have to make which made them have the ability to do sixteen missions in two thousand twenty right it's it's fabulous. This booster had flown just over two months ago when it flew for the US Space Force launching. Lodging a GPS three satellite so far seven hundred of these Internet satellites have been launched by SPACEX and six. A day are being built by SPACEX or Starlink Oh whatever the company is technically that's building these things six every day in their Washington state factory, which means they could launch sixty starlings every two to three weeks like that's a big huge number. The next launch coming up is in two days. All things that go well, and that will be a falcon nine rocket expected to launch the twelfth batch of these starling satellites from launch complex forty, and then so that's September seventeenth at eleven seventeen Pacific. Time. Is That A. N. P.. AM. So eleven am so that'll probably be a fun live thing for everybody to watch a few days before battery day. And then September thirtieth they're gonNA do it again with this will be another US space fourth. GPS. satellite, and then another starling by the end of the month. So like theoretically. Three Starlink launches in one nuts to a month. Typically I think it's just going to be. The one that was a few days ago, and the one that's going to be at the end of September. Two more in October the third you have the third the seven to-. Right thirtieth according to this coming right. So that's Dan this month. Yes correct. My correctly. Yes. I was a little confused because you wrote the but then you wrote this last thing where said then another starlink so is that like potentially fourth but anyways, there's two scheduled in October for sure and other, NASA. Crew Mission to the ISS, which would be pretty Pretty Amazing to shoe other Turk sat and at what's it Sirius Xm is putting up a satellite in October and then they're also. There's going to be the starship twenty kilometer hop in October at Boca Chica that make you nervous if you lived in Boca you know there's There's an excellent article in the Atlantic magazine about the residents of Boca Chica and the back and forth between you know many of them were bought out by ten star Star By SPACEX, they were offered like three times. So it says, three times the value of their property except that the company that they use to do the appraisals of property were maybe not doing such an accurate job but. There are like I don't know half a dozen people who are out and it sounds like tests not test. Sorry SPACEX is going to move towards getting the county to exercise imminent domain. To I really hope they don't go there. Honestly I read I, read these articles and it really made me sad because there are people that want to stay there they want a fair price for their homes Tesla or are your spacex is moving in a bunch of their engineers and workers into these homes and and they're trying to do it because they don't want anybody. Civilian in Boca Chica to get injured while at you know or have to live in a place where they're just launching several ships at once right. I mean their long term plans for starship in this to be a space port, which you know who knows how many you can have multiple launches a day you really WanNa live in that area in breathing whatever. The methane and all the other stuff. So it's pretty it's pretty impressive. Once manifest, just keep growing and growing and growing in relaunching and relaunching they have delayed Falcon Heavy's next launched quite a bit and so that is an and there's some speculation that they have so much of these Falcon nine need and they have to make slight tweaks to the Falcon nine fuselages. Falcon. Falcon heavy's So it's Sorta seems it remains to be seen, but there is like a big. mill sat you know satellite that they have under contract to put up in. Falcon. Falcon heavy. So we wait we wait and see when that will happen now. That's it for spacex well, Nice Hey, I just want to talk about. Some of the numbers just very quickly. When they were testing, people were saying, Oh, look at terrible the download speeds look terrible the upload speeds look how long the Ping's lost eyesore. The data was starting to get over one hundred megabytes per second download forty megabytes per second. Ping's under twenty milliseconds and so this is getting better and better and better. Probably. What will happen is it's going to get way better than this. It's going to look spectacular but then you're GONNA put a million us on and it's going to note look so good again. At least the pink thing was what people worried about their some of the competitors were saying there's no way they're going to get the ping less than fifty milliseconds or even one hundred milliseconds, which is gonNa suck gaming and stuff like that. But I'm the twenty milliseconds pretty. Damn good. Yeah and this is like and there's a lot of interesting technology built into the starlink because there's even some you know they they talk to one another as well. So you could be in a place where maybe you don't have access to like a really great satellite, but it can talk to one that's in a better location. So there's all kinds of you know inter satellite communications and that those speeds have been like gigabit level speeds where the satellites are able to talk to each other. So there really is quite a bit of bandwith built into it and and if you have. Fourteen thousand of these things it's going to be be quite incredible. There are some downsides though because they they've they've launched a whole bunch of them with that new visor and while it has had some positive impacts on the astronomers and stuff, it's still causing major major problems for those who love to look through telescopes and and you know more and more of them is just going to cause more and more problems moving forward. You say town, they were making six satellites a day in Washington. Six Day is what? Your whole Washington state Washington state is what it said in this article that's were the Starlink headquarters is, but this is a space dot com article. I know we said there would be no math but I just did a quick back of the envelope calculation. As Mel, you're saying they're adding millions of users that they're going to have to probably expand the starlink network to the forty thousand or so satellites that they said would be sort of their top end if they're making six day that would take eighteen over eighteen years. So, but they're making six a day with no revenue coming in right. There's no revenue coming in from starlink there's no money. There's no proof of concept like do people want this service? Are People Willing to put that antenna? All those other things. So my guess is that is. There obviously and and you have to look at like they gotta put sixty of them up and launch. So do the math fourteen, thousand satellite sixty at a time how many launches is that that's F. Tunnel launches. At. Two hundred plus launches for that, right? Fifteen hundred I haven't signed up for it. No because it's I don't believe it's available for sale. It's like six, hundred, sixty, six launches or more. I signed a lot of law trend up for the BETA. You dare. Starlink Beta didn't, and what is that? What is that? What is the process for doing that? They just an email you give them your dress you say, yeah, I want to be on the Beta and then once is enough satellites up there and it's comes down. Closer to the equator. I guess at some point they'll say, yeah, you can try to mate. And is there like like did you get an invitation to this or do you just go to their website and signed like say I want? They just send it to me I can't remember I must have signed up on. All right I have a question for you guys. Do you think? Well, which do you think we'll come I the STARLINK satellite network is complete on earth. Before they started on Mars. Earth Earth start on. Mars. Mars Yeah. Come on Mars vaporware. Have you been okay. Have you been watching any of the television shows about space like I started watching away with Hilary? Swank. Hilary Swank is not an astronaut she's an actress. Throw that out there. You can keep bringing this stuff up but like that doesn't have anything to do with going to. Mars. Well. Going to Mars. That she's not going to Mars Raw. Have you been seeing what they're doing with the hopping of the lodge spacecraft. What I'm seeing is something that's big enough to go to Mars and they're about to do the twenty Kalama hop and nailed it took him about blowing up after they finish that hope. They WANNA blow it up. That's Super Fun because then they can't do another hop after they blow them that long I mean they're gonNA take it. Well I think if they want to do a pressure test on it after all these, they're gonNA pressure and pressure pressure to explode. It's like we're just going to say about. They're gonNA see like, yeah. They're going to be like, okay. We've flown this a few times. It's dealt with some pressures. To start testing. anyways, let's see what the engineering situation is with this particular thing. Another good reason to not live in Boca Chica. Is like. How much pressure well, we got way more pressure in that thing that we wanted and it hasn't exploded yet. We should probably leave. This is not going well for us how far how far can a piece of something fly under that kind of pressure all that far hold on let me call my family. Hey, you should. You should drive west Africa out of here. You're going to see a mushroom cloud and a couple of minutes he no I didn't have. Yeah. Well, that's why that's why you on wants to launch the super heavy and the full starship as seventeen miles off shore. Because it's just gonNA. Be Blisteringly loud. So let's do many picks and let's wine this puppy Dan a I'm going to start because I always have the best ones as you know. Some mini pickers in a book. It's called money. The true story of a made up thing by Dick Goldstein and he's the guy that does the planet money podcast one of the hosts and I gotTa tell you the history of money is fascinating. The concept of money is bizarre. He is these incredible insights and explanations for money. He also reads it absolutely wonderfully so Even, if you don't care about money and I didn't really care about money in that sense. You just be fascinated by. Strange things like people used to carry ran fifty pound coins on their backs. 'cause that was money and then the Chinese came up with paper money and then some of the zing dynasty dude came on and said, we should stop using that and they'd had this flourishing economy because the this concept that you had paper money that actually didn't represent anything except like this made up. Between people and he's like now that we should go back to a system where your goat is worth half horse going and crush the China's economy for four hundred years. It's fascinating just money. Did. You know that there are there are places where there's money like they used to have these round stones I. Don't know what I can't think of what tribe it is. Basically, they transport these giant heavy heavy round stones and like the boat would crash but like you still own that thing. You still own that it's known and people would just be like. Can I have that cart will that stone in the water can't get is now yours that's money. Like that happened with go coins and stuff but there at the bottom of the ocean, but they exist that's why it's so interesting because money is just like it's it's an agreement we go to believe this fallacy. But it works. It's social. Did you know that in I don't know if you've heard this the United States This place called. please. Eighteen fifties, they were eight thousand different types of paper money. Worldwide No. In the United States why there was this private banking system any bank could print money win. So you could go from one city to the next and have to like transfer the buddy as you go to cross kids it's because what year eighteen? Yeah. I mean th in the continental in a period of the early United States there was continental money I mean this is basically happened. You could start a bank you rub it could say, I'm a bank. Here's my money. That's how you got eight hundred. Over eight thousand types of money in the US it was insane. And now there's like eight thousand types of bitcoin money right so digital money sort of doing the same kind of situation and it is interesting because it literally is a promise it's like I like. I promise that this bitcoin you can have this bitcoin today. This thing that doesn't actually exist I'll transfer it to you for one hundred dollars. It might only be worth fifty dollars tomorrow. That's where the volatility aspect of it's like I'm interested to sort of look into this because I I've always been like since the bitcoin you know cyber currency thing I just I can't wrap my head around in. Kosovo interesting and I've wrapping my head around a little mole but not so much. What was the first thing in the real world that was bought with Bitcoin? Drugs. No close very good. That was the second the second thing that was so thought pipe to put the drugs also the also the next four goes withdrawals. Pizza. some glad you didn't say people one of the first set of. The groups that are doing bitcoin and stuff is like well, at some point, we should see if we can start doing transactions though is like I'll give you ten thousand bitcoin if you buy me to pizzas, you just wanted to. Gauging like we'll somebody do that. So they did the transaction and some dude bought him pizza with a credit card in the old way of doing things at. Got Himself Ten. Thousand. Bitcoin. You know what? That's worth worked at. Six million dollars probably should have jumped on that window. A A lot of cash Robert Wood, he got for. So I watched a couple of speech shows being an a fan of space. I watched I am actually watching right now away, which is Netflix's the Hilary Swank take off from Earth go to the Moon They have a little mishap on the way on the moon base, which has a much lower gravity well is where their ship is going to take off and go to Mars and. it's interesting. It's very melodramatic. It's almost like a soap opera in space and I read an article that sort of reviewed it. It said you know this is an interesting show. It could be anywhere right it could be like a dynasty you know soap opera on late night or whatever evening television. The only difference is that it takes place in space but we never see anybody actually fly the the craft is like you know so. Take it as it will. It's it's got some reality like some really cool stuff that you can see they float around but it's a it's a very. flowery. Story crying. The other one that I watched is. There is this events of cry. Yes. That's such. A weird way to describe a show. It's it takes place in space. There's not a lot of space travel, but there's a ton of crises unusual. It's like there's a lot of violence as a lot of sex but no in this one. Cry. Wolf years haven't seen any sex so it's interesting for all mankind. Now, this this was a remarkable show and I can it's an alternate reality show. So the it starts I'm going to spoil it right up front, but it's it had area in the first ten minutes. Everybody's like at this bar it's it's Houston it. You see a bunch of you know astronaut types and aerospace types in they're all sitting in his crunchy bar and they're watching like a a guy. WHO's supposed to be Walter cronkite on the TV showing the first landing on the moon. But people they don't have the same ille- Shen that I recall when I was like watching this as a nine year old like God we're landing on the mode, and then when they land on the moon, you see like this, this television image is not quite what I remember. It doesn't look like Armstrong coming down to the and the Dude on the moon unfurled the Russian flag. And then you get it. Okay. This is an alternative reality show and it goes on from there and it's really good and they really pay attention to the science of space travel and I can give this one five out of five stars. It's for all mankind in it's on apple plus one. Glad you said that because people being talking about it and I'm like just sounds like a rare process Bumba USA USA for all mankind thing now, I'm going to watch it even though you've spoiled the whole show in the first ten minutes. I'm going to watch it totally. There's more nice spoiler. Nice. I avoided many other spoilers but yeah no I will admit you actually made that something I now want to watch as well. So thank you for that Rubber Very appreciative. I also read another Colson Whitehead Book, which we talked about the nickel boys I think on the last show, and this is a gifted writer. He's won a couple of Pulitzer prizes. The second one was for this book, the underground railroad, which is kind of the antithesis of for all mankind, and so a highly recommended. It's a great a great read it's not easy, but it also gives you. A valuable. Perspective I think that's the most important thing I can say about it. I like it value. All right. So I guess it's my turn. I have to one on Amazon prime a show called behind the dish which goes in side restaurants and chefs. To say it's all about starlink another story on no no, no no no. This is about cookie and just there's a lot like good cities Los Angeles. There's a whole bunch of other places that they go. They follow these people is amazing that show I love I'm going to give you another food show that's not currently on the list, but it's also there's a new chefs table and it's a four episode series. On. Barbecue and this is on Netflix and it is spectacular in every way shape or form. If you love barbecue or cooking outdoors at fault, it's four episodes easy to watch. It's really really good and then the final one Ted Lasso on apple plus Ted. Lasso may be one of my favorite shows that I've seen in like five years. So He's an American football coach that goes to the UK and he gets job. To coach team in the premier league soccer team. He doesn't know anything about soccer, but he's just a people person and it's just the best part of humanity that they then bring through in this show too powerful females in strong positions in in the show and and he is just a super thoughtful guy trying to get a diverse group of soccer players to kind of. Be Together and take care of one another and treat each other properly, and it's just it's just great and Mike Kudos to apple for making that show. Nice. Well, I can't watch any of those cooking shows. Once, you turned me onto I. It was Taco chronicles which Alan just came out with another season second season. But I watched it like the night after we recorded a session and I was, I, called up my son and I was like. I have to have a Taco, and like it was crazy. It's like eleven o'clock at night and we went out seeking ALPA store tacos so and they were delicious gone. Don't say they weren't so good delicious. So good. So I can't watch this stuff unless it's like you can't lunch time and that food is like right across the street and I'm going to eat it right now. So, one of the one of the shows on a barbecue chefs table barbecue. The fourth one is about this mind this woman who is keeping the Mayan culture alive and she's doing coach Anita p Bill Tacos in hand making tortillas in this in her village and Oh my goodness if you do not want to go have coach Anita Tacos after watching this, you're probably passed out or something I don't know what's going on with you and your life at that point, but it is is really spectacular but the other places are in Texas and we can't get as good a barbecue here as we can. There I've tried trust me they're all good here, but they're not as good. But. That's a great show and behind the dishes. Incredible. So any who but I want to remind everybody that coming up is the National Drive Electric Week for Twenty Twenty Day. God. Help you left out event don't don't forget event drive electric we event. Weekday. This this must be the fourth fifth sixth. Year that we've talked about this. It's it starts on September twenty sixth there's going to be it's pretty it's all online. So you you can go to it and you don't even have to burn rubber or expend energy. All you have to do is flip open your computer log in national drive electric week it's going to go from September twenty sixth through October fourth there's going to be some. That's almost exactly. They do that they've they made her. Get them. There's also going to be a number of fun events coming up for the Los Angeles Tesla Club and let me give a shout out to all of the Tesla clubs. A number of people I've seen online who had questions about their Tesla's and we're is a great place to find this stuff out. Well, join up with other tesla enthusiasts be it a drive a socially distant are physically distanced drive or picnic or just an online meeting. We'd had a number of Los Angeles, Tesla Owners Club online meet ups where we had people from the Tesla verse come and talk to us such as the policy team or. Service team or sales team all these you know experts are made available to the Tesla clubs. Be At the Florida Club, the Texas Club the, New York Club, you name it. There are clubs across the world including Australia just go to test the you know, Dougal Tesla owners club and up with a local club. There's a lot of fun things to do, and then I've got a little something here. It's a UV disinfection lamp. This was given to me my mark at RPM. Tesla. It's a device that you can stick on your like armrest and fire it up. It's battery powered solutions like little usb charging plug and it lights up with. Uv Light I. Don't think it'll do it now plus you're not supposed to do it. And look at it. It's got a timer. So basically if you want to disinfect your car. If you want to disinfect your car you can. Put this on like the armrest and. Set the timer walkaway and like beans, UV light for like whatever forty minutes or something like that. You can use it in your home. He says, he's in his bathroom. It's a run off the Tesla battery. Well, it it charges. It's got its own little lithium battery inside and it charges, and then you can get I don't know how many disinfections. You can get charge, but it's a pretty slick look into vice and so mark gave me one of these I'm going to give it to a listener who sends me a picture of their review of the show, pick your podcasting venue, apple itunes or tune in It'd be great if it was on tune in because evidently, we've disappeared from tune-in. I doubt if you put in I got mark actually alerted me to this. He says, you know I put in talking Tesla on the Tesla and you guys didn't come up. So I I assume either we've been eliminated from the world of podcasting or there's a glitch, but you're reviews will always help us to look more visible. So send us a better send it to the Tesla It's Info. At Talking Tesla Dot Org or you can tweet it yet. They tweeted. tweeted to a lot of people don't tweet. You know they're they've moved on their instagram ing their their What's it called? Dumb Jake Chuck Tick. That's it. Yeah take talking snap chatting all of the things that people do. All Right Gentlemen. That's awesome. I would like a UV thing I noticed were selling those the other day when I went and got my flu shot in this. A public service announcement for everybody gets you flu shots they are available a went to CVs. It costs me zero dollars with insurance. If it cost you a few bucks, it's worth it. You got to protect yourself especially now and I'll tell you one thing that I learned. About the flu shot, you can't get the flu from the flu shot. So if someone tells you I, don't get a flu shot because I'm going to get the flu the foolish. Shot it's good for you. Yeah. Last thing we want is a bunch of people sick with the flu and Covid nineteen showing up in their doctors, offices or emergency rooms Liz get a flu shot and the if you get it every year this sort of cross antigen between these things. So it's good. The good news is that we Basically get the flu that's in the southern. Hemisphere and thankfully Australia had relatively. Flu Season and that's good because Cova plus a bad flu would have been a disaster. So we're probably just GONNA have minor disaster coming in the fall. Some of that could be because they were actually wearing masks and people more careful. Washing their hands, right. So like flu relatively generally should be lesser in a situation where you're taking those kind of precautions, but it still doesn't hurt take the precautions get a flu shot. Also, if you're if you didn't hear me get a flu shot, also, you should totally get a flu shot. They're worth it. They're awesome. So get a flu shot, get a flu shot, and then when Cova comes there and we've got a safe exane. You're going to have to get that one as well and then. They'll just mix them all up together in one big vile and you'll just get one. One day. We can hold one one day with gentlemen, boys, and girls. That's it. Who's WHO's code? Should everybody used this month to? Hells because it turns out Mel Gibson night get nothing, and now that the referral program has no prizes, you should use Mel's of referral code every single still getting miles. I, thought. I've got some. What is your own code because I don't even have it on the on again I don't even know. How am I gonNA open your freaking APP Melvin Tom. We need took bitch because the certain friend of Alice a mutual friend of ours wants them. Needs them a mutual friend of mutual friend avails. Okay. Certain. A Wilbur Swaran. Hey. Well, he's going to have to pay. Oh. Yeah. But that's all you know. It's interesting. I had somebody asked me for my high-powered wall charger and when I went online to look to see what's high-power wall charger worth these days you can't even get one from Tesla they are sold out. No. And so did I Really until the yeah. So I went online. This is just a few days ago because I went to the storage unit grabbed it out. It's in the back seat can't forget that and I went to Tesla and it's like they have them for five hundred plus tax and shipping. But can you get it? It's sold out and I thought Oh. My God. Well, we're when I get one I saw went on Ebay and when I went to Ebay and I started looking I was aghast people were selling them for seven hundred dollars. So if you've got like power walls out there. That were gifted to you by Tesla, and it's just sitting in your garage. There are people who desperately need them now because there are no power whilst to be had from. Tesla so. You're talking about wall chargers or parents. All between all over the place, it's been two hours and fourteen minutes on. A. Little Bit slippery of the I wanNA. Make sure we're giving people the right insert, all high-powered wall chargers, the Nice Tesla ones, and when I got is got not the eight foot and not the. Fifteen foot, but it's got the twenty four foot. There's one or two, thousand, four, twenty. Yeah. I got the numbers somewhere I think I left it in the car minds, the mines, the fifteen. So this is over twenty foot long cord and it's black and it's got Lon signature on it and. Also chasing it. Why didn't want to call you out but? I'll tell you why I'm purchasing it is. We're GONNA sad. No. So you got two cars. And you're at your house. And you've got the long Tesla Wall charger and you snake it behind the one car and you plug it into the other car. And you think. Usually what we do here at the House to make sure that the person who is most proximal to the wool charger doesn't. Drive over the wall chargers that we put it up on the car like put it over the trump put it over the top of the cuss that when you go to take one of the tests it you don't. Rip. It. Out of the other. And why? Because I'm an intelligent man like it'll be fine. I just laid it on the ground. One of the other family members took the PROXIMAL car. And backed up and then heard this. And thought themselves. So F-. That's not good. So you're lucky that it ripped out of the wall because it could have ripped out of the call. It just sort of snapped in the car. And it didn't wreck the charging in the car. It just took the end of the. Charger itself in snapped. So handles busted. So the handle is busted the cowers fine. The wool charge bid is fine but it turns out that I don I gotTA soldering I don't sell the just the cody bit and the end bit. You have to buy the whole church so I managed to destroy five hundred Dollah. At home judger and then I call you managed to destroy a seven hundred dollar charge. Well, it's. But. You know who might. Do you want in the garage and it turns out that I knew some guys who do a show. And thankfully robot head one and you who might be interested in your busted wall charger is Tony Williams because he's got a company, they make all of those charging adapters and accessories and the sell a lot of people get the parts like the cabling and. Yeah. So it needs distantly needs to be recycled by somebody else because if you know what you're doing with plastics and electric's, you could fix this thing I don't know how to do that stuff. Yeah. I suppose that. That's his email Tony Tony Williams free advertisers because I think this recycling thing is good. Give them some free of chosen. Cocaine I'M GONNA, look it up right now Tony we were talking about Tony because he was making adapters. Use a tesla high-powered wall connector with a car that has a j seventeen, seventy, two plug, and so it's call. We didn't do that well that we didn't do that article that said that. There was a problem with. Charges so that if you didn't have Tesla. But you grabbed an adept at you could charge for free off the Tesla Network it was in Europe it was an Asian fellow who is doing a video that showed that he was charging i. think it was a Renault he was driving at he had driven up to a tesla super charger. In Europe, might have been Germany that had the dual heads right at had the CCS. Plug and plugged it into his car and it was charging. It was without anything I might know thought this was a handshake was. Like a cellphone issue that it's no checking and he was charging without getting charged classic maybe it didn't speak friend. Yeah. These very nice now where this accident the. This what is has to be cut out of the. GOP because this is. This is outrageous accent from monty python. Oh No, that's. Pink Panther. It is. So it's Tony Williams quick charge power, and they have a very easy to remember website. It's quick charge power dot. com. Could Judge Power I'm going to go in there and I'm going to see if I can recycle. Broken. Thin. Just give him just hit the contact US Button Melvin and and see. If, he can send me a box with a shipping label. It's yours. That's only ask so. Yeah, he still does like conversions, Tesla roadsters so they can do. Well you'll have a boss had to have the box that that Roberts about right. Give you. So you have a boss, you just need a late. He's the guy that you got your j seventeen, seventy two. Oh Yeah. That was years ago and that thing is being not used often but. When it's really helpful, it's delicious. Now he's a cool. Do I use mine at home for the use? For the to charge the the the volt, the Chevy volt with the the high-powered Tesla, and the last thing that I got, which is sitting here who is this is my new license plate for my model three it says N. K and Z. Are we not some Navato? was. Played From the Matrix. Can Lakes. Email hi-fi is the that is the that's more futile ship. Alert. I. Saw that Movie Eight Hundred Times. I. Only saw one hundred times. I have seen it almost as men who knew or the one whose license plates about to have Nebot Panesar look at this. It's not it's not the typical thing. Look what I'm doing. I'm what what does that what does that is that saying oh this is for real. This is authorized by the highway patrol and the Department of motor vehicles and it's coming to a steep near you. So many of us who have. Just are very uncomfortable drilling into the front bumper and sticking on license plate frames because it just messes up the lines of the front of your beautiful car. So I, went to license plate, wrap their I paid for this full price. I. Mean I I wanted them to give me something but you know I'm not very good at that. So I went and I paid for it full price once I got. My license plate I asked them they're connected with department motor vehicles and created this perfect replica of my front license plate in a sticker that I can now just stick on the bumper of the front of my car. They say avoid the radar whatever but it's it's just almost idiot proof. I haven't put it on yet because I was waiting for my Hov stickers and now I've got. So this is Leo. This is totally legal totally legal. And you have that loss like. I do. You are the biggest. If you're on the room right now with me right now, I would just slap a big sloppy kiss on you because he. was wonderful thing I wish I had that I wish I had that I'm so glad I'm not. Be, uncomfortable for some people but Hey. Not uncomfortable because just because you said sloppy like kissed the now does that's Sloppy. Very sloppy kissel that is is the Matrix. It's it's not the best movie all shut up. It's important now well, I should put in my my. List of media picks the new Christopher Nolan movie Tenet, which I did drive fifty miles to go see and Max. But if you ask me what it was about, I couldn't explain it to you. It's the only movie I have seen that I cannot. Produce a spoiler because I still don't understand it all. It's a my head is was so pretzel afterwards that I I ended up reading the whole wikipedia synopsis and it was very accurate about what happened but I still can't tell you what happened. Well I felt that the Matrix couldn't get my head around the matrix forever and now it's like simple like nail I totally. Get it right because you've seen it but nineteen. Hundred Point Yeah. But if you knew this lunatic actually went to a movie theater in the middle of all this, what you have allowed him in your. What is you know what? I the day that they opened the theaters I went online. There was like a Regal Theatre in Yorba Linda and it was like the nearest NYNEX and I looked at their grid of how many people were in the theater and literally for the first two days there wasn't anyone who went to the theater at least not with any of like head you know ten hour head time. So I went on a Friday at eleven thirty in the morning. How often have you been to theater nobody's Gonna Right and I got there there wasn't even anybody to check my ticket. I just walked in and I went to the toilet and then I went into the theater and there was a big theater. I have a picture of me in the theater there was nobody could see around me there were like. People in this theater that was it and I had my mass gone. We're all for apart it's a brand new theater. The air was very cold. So I put on a sweater lot of air circulation I felt perfectly safe. Yeah. The de that makes sense. Now what was the? Movie. Inception. Thank you. Same Guy, right wow. How did he do that goes On the same happen snapped his finger twice didn't say. The show talks when we're not in the studio together. Now I've seen that fifty times and I'm just starting to get it. Yeah. Is You might have to watch this new one, hundred homes it would take I want I'm already ready to go back and see it again. So if you guys are interested. I just watched shows about Tacos man I totally get them every time was like I. Oh, that's a talkshow tuition. I see. Get One we're we're like an hour to two thousand, thirty minutes. Let me go. I'm done. We miss each other. All, right. Well, we'll see you next. Tuesday. And, If you're still listening to this show I, seriously go watch a matrix again or What Matrix for can we just we just celebrated lives him. What Kiana Reeves is doing the fourth movie in the Matrix Trilogy. So Snow Cordray. And he's like. The best of it's the best of all of them. He's super excited about it. So Ladies and Gentlemen Boys Girls The best trilogy of. Can I say this I'm going to say I'm just going to say it's the best sci fi trilogy ever. And it's going to be a Quadrille Aji. Best Sci fi trilogy ever we may get the mall. We'll get a lot of hype for that particular statement than we've had for any of the other both we've ever. Alleged took about doing terrible things to entire populations of people but I just said that the Matrix is the best trilogy. Tetralogy to trilogy of. Exactly it's a com. A tetralogy is a compound work that is made up of four distinct works tetralogy actually feel like you could get any geeky are you guys both managed to do it in like a really? Trilogy of. Overriding a order as a whole tetralogy, Othello is a pediatric condition. Let's not get too involved in. Central are. There's multiple trailers for the knee tricks for. I was somewhere I. Don't remember when but I saw. I know where it was. I was in San Francisco and I was on the waterfront and I was talking to a guy and there was a big production company there and we were just chatting with one of the drivers and he's like. Or Filming Matrix. I you know what? Now I remember there was something on twitter where they were wired they were on wires and they were they were jumping from building to building. They showed these stuntman doing these like literally I don't know three hundred feet between skyscrapers with real people it was. What's going on? Yeah no Nolan did. The he did very little siege. I, almost all of I think all of the stunts were done with real people in tenant with was crazy since it's all about entropy and reversing time and going back and forth and I'm getting Confused Again Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls dirt alert is Tesla. It's one eighty one. And we'll see you again soon we need to come out more often because people are getting upset. The this this summer slowdown. I've been getting to develop. Yeah I agree, Hey, we got lives to live. We have this last liftgates pandemic. I'm back off everybody back. All right. We'll see you in a week and then we'll see from there if we can go and other Mabel if if time allows I mean you got two and a half hours right here just listen to it net like listen to half of it and then listened. Possibly understand at the home so go listen to it like twelve, house. I mean, it's not gonNa make any more sense. The second time he lives into it. We're ridiculous. It's just silly. We don't even none of these numbers that we pull up they're not real. We. Just make this stuff up. We're not journalist. This is for your entertainment. Really it's for our entertainment more than anything. So welcome, you're lucky we recorded at all. We talk about this stuff nonstop browse. Make us does that make us a fan a-list if we're not a journalist? I don't know what that word means. So I don't WanNa say yes I, want to be on record as saying yesterday. All right.

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Rise & Fall | Endurance Reunion & Karma Preview

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Rise & Fall | Endurance Reunion & Karma Preview

"Welcome to the rise and fall podcast where we talk about old reality shows what worked. What didn't work and how they fit into the reality TV history. Today is going to be a little different, because not only are we looking at the past with endurance, we are also looking forward to the future with Karma, and with the I haven't esteemed panel of guests from endurance passed I I interviewed her six years ago when she was a survivor dream teamer. We talked about that from season, two of endurance and the green team. We have Keaton MARCI. Turn. Are You I'm doing wonderful keen? How are you? I'm doing as well as they can be doing with the current state of the world. That is that is very true and you know I think in times like these. It's GonNa. Take a lot of teamwork to stick together, and that is the piece that used started with. And from season three, this person also starred with the teamwork piece, and that seemed to be very fitting piece for this team because. They they came together and when they came together they. Made some huge waves in endurance Hawaii, so it is my pleasure to introduce none other than Monroe Hey. I Erin. Lily? Good we start with Kmart teeth for almost a week and a half before it was stolen from us, so it was not on well. Yeah. I'm happy to be here. You can see my partner in the background that got me out of dish. Duty Tonight, so he's doing. This is why I am participating in exciting on. I'm glad to hear. To see you having teamwork in the household as well. Bring with a great partner, but hey, she didn't do any dishes. Else extra partners here. Where's the other? She's there. So excited to that then from season five someone who? Grew up with endurance went on endurance, and not only had soaked into her brain. She eventually came back to work on Karma as well. We have lilly. Who was inspired by Miro to also be yellow on her season. Are You Lilly during great? How are you Aaron? Thanks for having us? I'm doing wonderful and to clarify here. What did you do on Karma? I was story producer. In in the field and in post, so I was one of the people that is. Interviewing the CAST members so like? How'd you feel when you win the challenge? After died and the following the story in Denver Post Production. I was doing kind of the first round of edit. And then I'd pass it onto the editors. And Keaton and Corolla up to now. At the Monroe? So after endurance, which was my one and only stint in media I went back to high school that I went to college and studied for accounting so true to foreign. My Endurance Glasses Nouri form went straight into the accounting profession. I'm a CPA on any taxes for some of the largest health systems in the world, all of which are nonprofits in do amazing things in their community is so. Super Important, and in my own little way to taxes organizations that I really believe in. National. Actually thinking about it I, do find it funny that. The yellow team lasted the longest. In that challenge in Hawaii where they had to hold up their partner and the yellow team without i. In High Sierras when they had to do it. That it's no that is no shade lily. Because you don't me, step that right to stay competition like nobody else. Thanks. I'm flake flew over those beams I was like. Going home I don't even. I didn't even think about falling in I. Don't know how. I. Think if I competed in any right to stay challenge, it would have been yours because it seemed the most. Straightforward didn't have to hang on. Anything didn't have to. Talk about the right to take calendar. Because literally I have to give Monroe much credit that. Be Hardest one by far. It was rainy. It was this weird poll. It just like even with similar to that, but they had that not they could stand on, and they rely so like Monroe I I would have been out so quick and that was my right now. For one, you know when I was getting ready for endurance I was practicing your rate Thursday challenge because there's this year right before. I remember I would stand remember how arms up and like. ME. Do it longer than the boys did it on that prior season knowing full well, that would NPR challenge, but it was. My lateness has to see if I would be able to maybe. Make the cod, but you know. When we got there, I was pretty. Gung Ho on getting that Free Pal, if you recall and even three where there was a free ride for one boy and one girl and that was my. Alright in the beginning, and then when I found out I wasn't getting a free pass I was pretty sure. That was the end of my endurance journey and Rain I think the rain worked to. My advantage grew on. Up there, you know nearly ten minutes, and then the dude go. After a minute and a half we were done, so the ladies definitely had a tougher because the rain had not set in yet so. well time. It was so clear that you were never gonNA. Everybody, just fall in love with you I. was just like this kid. Want it so bad like I'm gonNA. Be Moving for him the first thing after. After the challenge over my counter was wasn't going to let go of that I was all this trash. Like who was this kid? You know I was clearly about all, and then I get through it, and then I'm talking thin cockatiel with no way I was going to fall. I mean. I would wearily feel feeling might help at that point. And for those of you who are listening who can't see in the background? They all have their endurance shirts, so Keaton in green and Lily Munro yellow. In the background I. I do picture of me and Mike. I have some Pat I bought in Mexico where we found it I have I have a picture of the survivor Dream Team was on because endurance flood survivor and then. Survivor season so. Yeah and then read Green, and then I was like. Let me doesn't my own temple state back year. Yeah you're like. You're like Jeff probst to set up the trouble council in his garage Kirk. Laughing at me, say I'm trying to set it up like this aesthetic. Look good. What about? Looks, pretty good. Thanks Great. So before we go each the seasons for those of you who aren't as familiar with endurance or need a refresher. What is endurance and how does a typical season work? On Endurance, we start with twenty pence ten boys ten girls typically. Sometimes eighteen I think. And then the first day or second day they'll do what's called a right to stay challenge and six people usually get eliminated and so they didn't earn the right to stay in the. And then from then on there is usually seven teams made up of one boy and one girl, and they each have a team color and they'll do a challenge. There's two types of challenges endurance challenges where the winner earns and endurance piece of which you have to earn Alton or in later seasons to win the game. And then there's also temple missions so in temple missions, whoever whichever team wins, they get the power to send two teams to the Temple of fate, and only what will come back. After intense game of rock paper scissors IOS a very special. Procedures called firewater would. The, team that. Things ahead the best I guess you could say. Gets to come back into the game, and that keeps happening until there's two teams at the finals, and basically they play another game another challenge where the team that has more pieces has an advantage and then. Wins again. Of the fire water wood would when JD comes on. I gotta ask about that. Because one of the time after I had already went up twice, we were feeling down on our luck, and he was giving us a little because I. I don't know if you've jd was really good. About kind of keeping teams engaged motivated like on on the show. You've biases unbiased. Excuse me and. Everything but off camera he would always give kids like a pep. Talk like you don't keep your head up. Keep going, but I remember. He pulled me up I. One time with Greeny said look just see you know it's not a luck. There's a strategy I play with my wife. Rock paper scissors, which is the same concept as water. And if the real strategy and I number. And he didn't explain what the winning was obviously we got. Eliminate both, or you didn't give me spoiler. They're cheaters away, but tonight. I WanNa know what has strategy what? I would love to. Yeah. Going up what you said Monroe. I was even like even watching the episodes. Yes, off camera. Jd was so. I mean like off camera. He was so great to us. It felt like he was like this big brother to all of us at least for my season and he he wasn't like like standoffish or like like not engaging with us. If you the host hear anything, he were so loving and so just fun to be around and talk to, but then even on camera and I, looking into being if Michelle the host Parma. Same by with the kids it. Kinda teachable moments when we mean girls when there's US like kids, bickering or To try a team not getting along. He really kind of. This guy is and like you know that's not. How life is it just you don't like him, but he doesn't mean you can be mean that and I'm like Oh. Yes, indeed dropping knowledge. He did. He did he did kind of bring things out he realized about. You want to rely right before you send teams couple laid dropping knowledge shoot. And even think about that, but I've got that way. Yeah yeah this. This interesting experience for me because growing up watching endurance. I'm part of the generation that was too young to play endurance, but too old to play Karma, so while endurance I on. Everybody was older than me so I was like. ooh Look at all. These cool older kids doing this stuff and I'm going to be out there and yeah, and during seven I'm GonNa. Go out there because I'll finally be thirteen going on fourteen, I can actually. Do a season I had this hall like. They did a tore around the the the US and one of the was the Buffalo Zoo I lived. Durance there and they had a challenge. I want to say. It was it was a hanging? into one of these Aaron Yeah. It was interesting experience doing the hanging challenge, yeah! And it was cool to go in the confessional booth that they had there and pretend like I was giving a confessional i. I lost the mission today, but I'm GonNa do really well for Temple I. Don't even know what I said earlier time, yeah! I think they also like a puzzle game there. Where you went in and did a puzzle like they had to physical competition, they had a puzzle where you had to do some type of thing in a booth. Forgot the. Danda, Ninety story going off of that era and I think he's talked about this when you interviewed me awhile ago is why do I was obsessed with new venture? which was the show? Jd Raw hosted before he started his own production company and created I think beach in the Dr, and new venture did a they did a chore to the Different Malls and it came to Greenville Mall in Greenville South Carolina and I got all the stage to participate in a challenge. Meet Gay d I won my talent how I mean this is what I would maybe like. Eight nine ten I. Don't know this they way before endurance and then I remember when I got out. I was like GP. You realize we've met before because I was gonNA. Do Venture Mall Cowan he's like mom? I remember I remember we got. The people in the faith is great. But how did you? How did you guys get on endurance? Lily and Monroe? I. I just wanted to tell you. It was me and a couple of my friends or watching season two, and there was a commercial at the you WanNa be, uninsured. So we have the camcorder at home, and we all record video three with ultimate are. Without work worker, and there was truly teams doing it all buyers. Other parents weren't not before, too, but they were kind of like you know. Don't go right ahead and we'll see what happens. Thinking nothing will come of this. Of course my friend didn't unfortunately get the same experience by. It would just send in a tape and see what happened, so it was. A time. I also sent to tape I was obsessed with endurance I caught like the the end of endurance to and. watched. All of and three and four was obsessed with. Monroe and obviously that's why I chose yellow on during sightseer you're. GonNa tape for season five and. I was. I was just crazy in lake I you know ten seconds and it was just ridiculous. I was like I have to get their attention. Minimum so. I was basically ticked talking already I. Don't you know, but anyway so? I remember I didn't have a cell phone, so I like. A phone number. Anyway they can get a hold of me, and so they emailed me and i. just remember getting that email and. I was so excited. I couldn't even I couldn't even sound like you except one a really long project but adopt. Did you know you're going to get a like when I got a call back for the top forty? That's when I knew I was going to get it for sure. yeah, because I had already sent a second tape at that point. I knew they really liked me. and so I figured once I got TA forty I would make the whole show. So. Funding L.. It's still funny. You let your friends audition I. Basically ask somebody if they can help me with something instead you have to make me one promise like what she's like. You can't do it to or I said you can't do and she's like Oh okay. Not knowing what it was, and then so she audition tape and her mom edited it for. I did. Already. My of that. Nicole Meissner even. got the, dirt Nicole. You're Rockstar I appreciate it. That, we would give to the people on dishing for Karma Season Two since those were announced that Carmen season to. Gird. My neighborhood like our. Partner to start a new. Beer be I. Mean I feel like the best thing you can do is be just be yourself and. Enthusiastic like? Just If you're really excited like show your excitement, go all out, you know. Something creative. Not Everybody's going to do in your video. Say He'll be worried about being perfect or this like you know Hollywood film like. Don't let that like the imperfections or the things. You can't control technology wise to like. Make you in. Just sending it in just be yourself and like be energetic. 'cause like you're going to have to come across on on TV and how fun? ooh, that was some wonderful advice. Keaton and I'm excited to see what happens for season two of Karma, but first. Let's go back to endurance so. What we're going to be doing today is we're going to be going through each of the six seasons, and then we will be following up at the end with JD and Michelle about endurance as a whole and Karma, and what that whole journey was like so out further do let's go to go back all the way to two thousand two. With God heard. and. On this season. Everything was going fine with the partner selection until one person. Max decided to go against the sacred list. and. Instead of putting together trevor in Chelsea. He said Trevor and Lana. and. In a twist of Karmic fate. The team he created by going against the list would be the very team that would eliminate him from that first round of endurance. We have people who went to the very first temple of fate in the very first season of endurance. I I'm going to bring in Lana here along. How are you? Oh My. Own. Nervous I know this is going to be so legit. Thank. You Got Endurance Yeah. That so I can do anything. But let's bring in from the great team from season one. We Got Jenna. Of Your background. And have you both? So since I was fourteen years old, there's been a few things. Wrong PATAS AUB. Well finish high school then went to college with. John I actually. And studied art. non starter for. College, we did a lot of lakes. Food runs staying in the library. Really lay me. Involved I got to meet Mono- because I went to visit Jonah when she was in college because she was on my way to my grandparents from Indiana University, and that's when I first got to meet Lana who to me. I was like Oh. My God gives the Green Team. Down! You as A lover so much. Not Aware you based. I'm in Chicago Song. Did you happen to go to college together or like? Did you purposely go to the same place? We just happened to go to the same school and continued being best friends. That's great. Do. You have any favorite memories from endurance anything that can stick out. Memories, or or regret whatever one? I remember mostly. Trying to find the wild buffalo on the island. In between our challenges and I do remember that I. took the game very seriously and got super competitive about it, and I remember a lot of the other kids just like pretending vacation in not really up for the challenges and just kind of having fun. That's honestly what to remember like I was really serious. About being there, but not necessarily Titian I remember Max lumpy started being partners. He was so serious about winning. Yeah has thousand. Like I'm GonNa win this. This is my thing. And went one thing to note about season one one of the unique things about season. When was that? Each team had a different prize. So, Lana you in trevor shows, Amazon and Jenner. You chose the Galapagos Islands which would actually end up becoming the prize for season three. Array again. WHOA neither the terminal alaric is. A. A. Lead. Do you guys remember like being season one. Obviously, you didn't have an endurance to watch. It's like you think you have what it takes to be the next endurance, and what was your capping property? And how did you guys you find out about the show? Yeah I remember this really specifically, because half of my grade I think. We were in eighth grade, going into high school, and so one of the kids had like seen a actual physical, a newspaper article about it, and like we always in an audition together. And I went with my two sisters. Because I'm a triplet. And like so we were very competitive about it from the beginning. We're like yeah. We're going to get on the show. And then I was asked to create a video actually of why it'd be a good contest ends so I just went around my house, playing silly games, showing like how I had so much endurance, and how could like we've raised our cell phones? We put them on vibrate and how race across the table it was so. So we we really didn't know what it was going to be. my I was picturing something like survivor like we'd be making our own food and stuff like that. Has Much different. I not want to do reality. TV show like. I'm not doing this by because I was might. Nugent is the one found that unlike new have agent you know advantage during you mainly gone every amish, unless you have a real reason that you wanna pass, which it's not like I was famous or anything passing. About. Wasn't. A stage, mom, she was just like what. You WanNa. Do you go to the auditions? And then you can decide if you don't WanNa do this then you should just quit and not be about it. Which I ended up doing right after was like I. Don't WanNa. WanNa hang my friend. She was like you talk to your agents responsibility and you re not and then I started again class. Any of that I thought everyone went through the same processes me. Hard on me Oh. My agent was like Rehab. This audition for you and this is what you have to do and down so I wasn't I process the video or was not the second stop? No, that was the third his firstly went. I run, and then it was. Honest video. So I. Did a a T M agents office and Binding in roots of likes. And they had chair setup cross. Went in. I'm sitting. Here thinking I if I just beaming you. Want me. And they're like. The general. What you want worn off now is like. I duNno, I mean today. I WANNA be a doctor yesterday. Football player everyone parents smog to be on the team, so I think it changes every day. I'm not really sure there on. Okay, that's the when you you're GONNA be in the next Christmas. I'm Sarah. I WANNA be a veterinary in and they went on and on. And I would basically just like now I don't. Know I'm not really sure of. every major is while. And then I on all that. On. Ninety. Showing. Would you want to do? that. Okay I mean. Maybe this will be fun. Wind will meet. Before nine big on not link when I was a kid experiencing things about Folkman yeah. I did. The video. And took him into my room with. WanNa, Learn writing all over all the wires on. I remember I remember vividly. And it's like that because when I was i. don't know channels like mom. I think everyone who comes into my room. She'd be able to speak their mind. Marker and they can never they want. When the answer Myra. Okay. Kiss. So. Much. Sports on the show started. There was not one intimate my wall. It's in your. Thoughts nine it like us on the world after whatever? degreed and Other Nero! Else I must've. I remember seeing that I? Like cooking. Usually. New. You remember a lot more than I do. His. They did like to interview on. I think that people thought. Based off my disposition of claiming like I didn't care about anything. That I was going to be somewhat of a drama starter. It's never what. I think they always wanted like I was fourteen. I already had a tattoo. Admit, here's I. Thought that Oh when you see a person like this that means they're like rebellious or there. And, really it was just like no I grew up in a family that legion mice Russian. not rebellious necessarily. I wasn't rebellious. Justin Regalia so I think like the first episode I get their jd like so Jenna. Wouldn't you? Think that'd be really. Thinking that I was going to start off and. It just never happened. I don't remember having any of those thoughts I. Think I was just really excited to e Unin island, and to have the competition's like I was really excited about once he introduced once we got there, and they introduced the show and told us about the different. Challenges are excited to get started like I, didn't I? Didn't I didn't think about the TV aspect I guess. Like you knew what was going on because there's kind of a lot of elements to the show, and to be the first season, not really knowing there's a temple or there's teams or there's. A lot of new elements that would have been an interesting experience to be the first group going through it now really knowing what you're stepping into, so we following along with the strategy, or did you yeah, so? I felt like I actually dead I knew what was happening, and after the first time we got sent. To The temple! Sorry these memories of exploring back at. I wanted to like I actually was trying to strategize and. I think what happened was is we were the first team to go up? So no one else knew what was up there so I think it was my idea to tell everyone else that it was something like Superintendent Scary. Like, throw off the momentum of the game and try. To take advantage, but that didn't really work out for me. But Yeah I felt like at least for me. I understood the game and the parameters unlike what were there to do so. I don't. Like I. Loved being there with the people because as you can tell, we found out so quickly. You know which everyone everyone here knows that I was just happy to be there with these people all and. I didn't want to win at the. Competitions. But I. Don't think I cared about winning as a whole I, just wanted. It was the incentive for me was being able to stay there with these people. That's upon, and there was definitely Fall Model I. Don't WanNa leave, not because I want to win, but I. Just don't want him now. Being here knowing they're gonNA be your tomorrow, Chilin, and I'm. Owned I was that you're right? That wasn't big. No one wanted to leave the island. It was amazing. From from the from the footage there. Yeah! You. Obviously. You guys keep in touch with each other there. Anybody else from your season that you kind of keep up with. Ashley every once in a while, but. Maybe twice a year if that. Yeah. I think I resent. Else, oh, Max, I mean I still. See us to see Max like around town every now and then and then we. Recently just started connecting lower because we cut being in the same places. His friends who were working with him, who would be like? I have a friend who was on that show and connecting the dots, returns. Lana I'm curious about because you weren't initially going to be partnered with trevor and he was the youngest contestant one of the youngest of of the entire series. At Age twelve. You guys had quite a journey and ended up in fourth place, and did win a challenge and did really well. What was what's your friendship been like with him? Since has been one. I've been like not I mean. On the show, I feel like it was portrayed as a lot of conflicts between him. And and like I guess competitively there was, but we've really got along fine day to day and after the show. I think we kept in touch a little bit I mean. We're still connected on social media, no bad blood whatever? I WANNA stay. You did sleigh that house of cards challenge that was. Great Work on our. I'm putting on my resume. Are. legit. Your season was the only one to hold in actual reunion where they brought everybody. Together, which was an interesting? How is that that whole experience reuniting? Muscle alario. But it wasn't that long after the show had been released I don't think so. Not a lot has changed I mean. They're still out of hype going around about the show itself. To be completely honest. I don't really remember like being at the Union I'm so sorry guys. Twenty years ago. I remember is the picture that out. Of all of us in the lobby of that hotel. I remember that. Did either of you know that you guys were going to be voting to send somebody to season two? Does that happen at the Union? Item. Think, we all rode it at three. Union for two people to come back, yeah! It was lead viewers though as well. which was like? The. People who were out the reunion or something? Essentially be playing again. No I had. Even when that diamonds just like. Isn't really happening or like some? Through. Town. On, You Came into our season like ready to fricken go. Play Forget. This I didn't know what was going on before, but I'm here. On the second, I think I relax. The intellectual part of competitiveness which is strategizing, but when it came to like pizza than we have to do this, but math. With that I was always like. Leave me out of that. You Go. Do I'm not gonNA. Sit here and talk to you about the I. Don't care about. We're. GonNa Samadi this Samadi that I was very bad without which I know frustrated. Max like Lucas winning when we're swimming in the water and when we're doing all these things. Done I feel like you just so it's not that like you lack any like intelligence. When it came to that type of strategy, just always just leading kind of kindness and understanding like in a lot of people that make people uncomfortable because I feel like at that age. Girls just didn't lead that way and I? Think it just like kind of that. Honesty was very like. Wait what like who like what's happening? I don't think it was a lack of. Understanding or intelligence review is you. Know I don't think it was a lack of intelligence, but it was the lack of intellectual sound of strategizing so like. Like you said the part of strategizing stabbing people in the back. And that was I was very uncomfortable doing that I. I loved all you. Girls and I didn't want anyone to be hurt and I didn't want want to be offended and I didn't want. Lying to me as you knew was like. There's nothing worse if I'm. GonNa live on, I'll go home not under. Being that like. Understanding that you had to lie Sometime Soon Beyond the drive that didn't make sense to me and I wasn't willing to do that. which is part of playing a game so? I think that's. That really confused people, but thank you. I forgot that I was kind of fun. I mean like that so confused. When you guys came back and everyone's like we're going to get off Brown team and I was just like. The, there's some Nice I. Don't understand like they're just said. They're Nice. People wire just because they came back. I don't know I didn't quite understand that. Either as at that age I'd like you to be mean. I just couldn't get. True I think my plan job on the show became like. You can't make Kelly cry. You don't make Calorie. Pry Out, hurt her feelings that her. Keaton's feeling mice. Not Happy about like this is like. There are sure issue again. It's not how. Things are portrayed. Editing everything no meeting of that like. Were you guys happy with your edit from season? One and at like you think you were portrayed Lana like how you acted on the show. I think so I mean the only thing is an I understand because it's a show, but. They've really pushed the conflict between Trevor Nine. which it was, a thing did exist, but they're so much more that happens. You know it wasn't. It was never so negative like we had discussions in there were challenges between us, but at the end of the day. Like I said before it was no bad blood in me. was what it was. I would say the way was added in the first season because I was fairly there. Was I. Guess a little but in the second season. In, not elect against. OUGHTA. Any final thoughts before we have to say, say goodbye about your. Talking about a endurance two point, oh, coming back, yeah I actually watched a video I'm excited looks super in times! Things were. A sleeping bag and would and that's it. Yeah. Yeah. They win fifty thousand dollars. Win Lane. No. Oh we need to continue. Adult version of endurance I play for money. Now we could endurance. Union all star. Yeah, right La like La Rodents. Stop even though the industry completely shut down side. Last two. Studio. Job Interview for us like eighty here we. Still. Maybe we could all meg like Erin. If you could coordinate a video of all of us to hitching your Jd. Doing all of adult arm attack like just like we can all catch ourselves. Yeah I'll make us short. Clip this and send it to you. Thank you so much. And you know, stay safe and healthy and keep in touch and let us know Oh you know where we can kind of follow your photography your. For sure thanks for having me this fine. Thank you. Say I have. A. Season two. We go from Catalina Island. All down to Mexico and you're right again on. Yes! Fat. It looks beautiful. I just didn't know. Where are these people this? Yeah, awesome channel I remember that being a big element of. Season One location by the number new season, too. Yes so in Mexico. You wrote in on rose. Yet. Okay I have okay. I'm going to bring I. Want to bring in your partner the one that you both stood on both sides. And everybody knew kaeding you WanNa Green so they just step aside. Let you take that. And then the other side. We had this person who you know. A lot of people wanted Jacqueline and they showed a lot of clips. A Lotta clips I didn't even realize how clips they showed of Mike and Checkland walking up and down the beach. We all. We all thought that some yet. Everybody wanted Jacqueline. Because my you know she was good, looking and smart, good looking and up workings bring Mike here I know. You ended up with. Chocolate, I are still walking down the beach today. They're. Still debating. It is so good to see you all. Right now, I. Have a question about this partner game because. Did anybody have any discussion of color because I know there was a lot of discussion about partners, but I guess for a game like that. You really need to know what color people were picking so that you could at least have some idea of who your partner would be. was there any discussion of color at all, or was it only only partner based? I think we picked green ahead of time Rakyat. I remember. We, everybody was like kind of fighting over people and nobody, and like other colors and nobody had said Green, and so a nobody said Mike's name, so I just went up to Mike and I was like. Hey, you wanna get green because I think you'd be apart awesome partner and he's like yeah. I agree. Let's do that. And that was like right before he went to the challenge, but like I was just like. This is just so much Rama and I. Don't want to add to it. and also I just like loved I. I think I like Mike and Jess Jeff up for like my two top choices for partners, but the way our challenged happened in general isn't there for. But they. They film the boys and girls that you different times. So, they edit it to look like they miss at the same time, but they took all the girls away film. The boy pretended like the girls were on the other side. Don't know the boy. And then they brought us back into the boys way and filmed up in the those balls stuck in those tubes, so they didn't just fall out. They had people on top of that contraption chasing. Her Early Two Thousands Ladies and gentlemen. While you're there, yeah. I remember. I remember I was so so happy when we became partners key, but then maybe twenty minutes later. I had a wave of panic. Come over me because I was looking at us. I looked to the rest of the competitor and I was like. We're never gonNA win anything then. I I! Tried to make an alliance with every single person on the beach that night 'cause i. Like well we're now. We're never going to win, so we gotta get on friends and then Lo and behold. We did win the first challenge and. No one more shot than. I mean honestly the only reason we won that I challenge maximum Maxon Jenner should have won that or Kellyanne shop because they were honestly in the lead but we won that because we decided to keep our sneakers on, and the stand was so hot and everybody else is taking their shoes off. Their feet were burning and like I. Don't know you can Jenna at one point just like Nah. I can't my feet and just sitting on the I. I have earn on my feet, he. Was Super Hot, which eagerly was one hundred eighteen degrees. I'm young okay. Ladies and gentlemen sit. Out there. Like Utah well whole other thing. was like. Some stuff! What was his songwriting Scorpion? Got Stung by Scorpions on his face like that's why we we never slept in the hut, because our huts scooter one night, a neces- Scorpion cell on him and everybody screamed, and everybody ran out right, not Humpback Hut, and so they're like fine. We would just pull our sleeping bag every night out on the beach and then in the morning have to make it look like we were sleeping in the hut. Yeah I gotTA. Be Honest. I'm glad there was a little bit of danger. Looking for that kids survivor. A little bit of danger was enough. Remember sleeping on the beach and how haired Anne was because she was scared of Alliens, she'd like super huge fear about like alien abduction and stuff, and she was not okay sleeping on the beach. One. Yeah we slept. Every night and we stayed up. We talked way way longer than we were supposed to to be awake I. I could not tell you anything that we ever talked about anymore, but I remember the feeling of just like you're under the stars you're like. Six feet from the water. You're surrounded by these people you've really come to love and like just not feeling of his being all of your place in the universe like Isler. Remember to this day I have no idea we've talked to. I'll probably laughing about scooter getting stronger something. and. And just feeling. Good no matter what happened. Yeah. I mean if it really bearable warning. The only chaperones we have. Jan Girlfriend if you think about it and now knowing our age. College! It's. I still in touch with Jan really. Ought to he and her girlfriend menu white. I'm not sure live in. They were living in Hawaii for awhile all at earned than they moved. They have like two or three Kim. Sign your cast, the most like that's how all of our information about your season. Reword the following year but I. don't recognize the two names that you just mentioned the Roth Ira. Taffy was I believe Jd's nanny, also a shout around, and then they sapper Brian Bronwyn you very young when. We were either Brian. But All all. Did, they dish on us. All. Remember is Max was industry theory and I was really industry theory at that point in my life, and was like this really had eighty scientific. back and he wouldn't talk with which our chaperone about it. I thought that was really cool, offered about little event, so John Tom asks! Furious, Legit, late ASI loves. Jamie's. Nanny for his kids, and she was basically like head. I bring my girlfriend. Who was JEN, Janine? Who is like can I bring her in there in college. He's like yeah, and so they were the girls chaperone Gotcha. Cool, they were so i. Like how cool they were! We were just so cool they were the. School I. Knew I know you. Guys have more questions for Mike. Because I monroe and I think we're. Thrown for a loop because I, I remember watching endurance to, but I don't think I guess I, really caught on. No Yeah. No Idea Mike. ARPITA, everybody where you. Think I'm picking up what you're putting down. So let me explain. So yeah, now seventeen years later I think. I live in London. I lead a strategy design team for digital products for a big car company and I live here with my husband Danny on our two dogs. We got married. almost two years ago now he was there Grad Malaysian. Yes so that's Maybe maybe that's related to what you're putting down. Yeah I. Florida meet. In a good word. I to be honest I think at that time in my life when I was filming endurance. Would've floored me too I. I think at that point in my life I was. I definitely wasn't out to myself. I was still kind of several. years away from starting to really kind of understand in crop without part of my identity. But I think that I was I was reflecting to come to. All of you like what? Really meant for my life, I think it did still change my identity, and like shape the arc of my life Unai. You had truly truly significant way. I mean. Maybe for context. It's funny what you remember I was. I was pretty happy kid. And then as middle school and high school started to come on, I think I started to feel more and more different more and more out of place in more and more like I didn't fit into the. Mold that you're supposed to in high school and I feel like the this like one flash memory from before endurance really captures. It was I was in choir. And at the end of the year they were giving out superlatives, and the superlative that I got in my choir class like six weeks for going on endurance was secret agent because I didn't talk, and no one knew anything about me. I was just kind of very shy and felt out of place this environment with all these like bombastic choir, people and I think that actually is a pretty good encapsulation of how I felt a point in my life than going to film endurance. It was not only the chance to live this adventure that I had really dreamed of having been a such a fan of survivor in similar shows, but it was the first time in my life that I think I ever felt. Truly. And surrounded by community of my peers that were. Super diverse and. Many different interests different walks of life, but even though we were supposed to be kind of. Voting, each other off, we still managed to form this community and The. Time spent on December. Feelings swaddled not not feeling of community the whole time and Just feeling that you know this this kind of like strange Awkward Sweetie. Pie Gamer Geek could be embraced by all these people from all over was just so meaningful to me and I think. Yeah it changed my life that hit of that experience of knowing community and knowing the sense of adventure. That I can do that and I can do whatever I want. I can create my life and shape my life and that way I've carried with me ever since. Getting very very roundabout back to the original point. These are. I'm sure some of you had similar experiences when you're grappling with your own identity. Coming out and finding your community that way in finding your confidence again. Lost Mine in that period, but Having that. Sense of self that I had kind of Bolshoi endurance healthy me through and still to this day I. Carry it with me. Love that. Crime. Because you did seem you seemed very comfortable on endurance and. and. Able to connect with people pretty well so It's somewhat shocking for me to hear this, but But I am glad that endurance change your life like that when I think that might think. I don't think at all about the secret agent. or any sort of light in house deleted. ANYTHING BECAUSE FOR! uh-huh You not speaking. Hi is impossible. Speak, last, Pitch. You you, you seem so. Comfortable. I mean that was one of the reasons that. I was drawn to you as a human you know like. You were comfortable with you. And I feel like at that age. I can sniff it out pretty quickly and new made. Others feel comfortable I. Mean I still remember this time I went to go. Visit Mike at Yale. I remember just going around town. Nothing about you at any point I ever hung out with you. Even in times seemed series agent light, and so that's incredible to. To know that in a moment. You knew. Whether subconsciously or not like. This was who you going to be because you were able to step into a place where no one cares what you were. You know you know. There was something special about our Cath I. Feel like I mean I. Don't know if this is the same experience for you guys, but we hung out so much as these group we saw each other probably about every month or every other month like we would all like like me at somebody's how we'd all fly in for years after endurance, my Christmas gift my babysitting money. My birthday gift would always go to a flight to go. See these people because these were these were my. This is my high school. These are the people who got me and I I. Don't have a ton of friends from high school because Vedra. My people and it just so happened that we were scattered all over the US. so even like going into college and stuff like and even to this day I, mean I there's so many of you guys that I feel like I've seen probably in the last five years or talk to you know whether it was a ton or not, but like through high school and college I saw Jenna so much. I still I. Still See my common. You last year like two or three times leads were so lucky. Yeah. Yeah we were obsessed with each other. To My. In that she was able to date. One of my best friends Ha Chicago. Traits your Nice Autrey. Just. Constantly always trae was I love him. He was like a part of my family was like a roller and I remember even when I did Argentina. I flew out of Florida slice date with him for a week went to Argentina for like. Almost a year and then wave back. In so that I could see trade with week or any of my family, and then went back to Chicago. So funny, too, because he was trade was out in the right to stay, which was actually he was out before. You ever joined the game, so I didn't see him on. Endurance ever and if you can imagine background, we didn't self. So it was a lot of colleen, each other's homes than being like high. KYW's Mike. We grew. Call each other. In trying to do three ways and so trey. Called me one day and was like. Hey like. Yana me but Opperman Who? Like. One hundred myself like talked new. Like your school and like talk trying to meet everybody on the show but lie, you're the only one really really you know. Okay and then we never stop talking to me. We stayed on the phone until like three four o'clock in the morning, and then eventually I met him when we all went to Glen's house. In Texas. It was such a big group Glunz like it was such a weird thing. 'cause like Glenn the MON and trae. WHO ALL LAUGH! During the right to say mission, they stayed super great in our life like Simone showed up at my birthday, my thirtieth birthday party, which was because she just knew La, and what so yeah, it's like those three that left that first day didn't matter like we were still so close Glenn House. It was like Jeff fill-up Still Anne. You Tally Mike Threat. Dairy, say trial even know It was such a big group of. Over ten people. I have to ask. I just watched season to rewatch the other day. There was a lot of drama between Annie and Kelly in any in any people, so the fact that ski was kind of in this group afterwards like what was it like? was there ever any drama or was everything over and done with, and you guys were getting wrong. I was always cool with any. You're. Actually that's not true any was. I was always cool with any except for a very brief period after the show when she was not that green voted off purple. Say I was really cool with everyone, but I didn't like. Any of bullying that was happening or making Kelly cries I. Didn't I didn't like so I would say the only beef between us wasn't a personal decision, but it was like. I Love Kelly. You're hurting. Her feelings saw but. I, was it. But they really painted the show in a way that. Is Very interesting I think when it came out I I only watched a couple of episodes ever. I. Don't know because then loser, but. I. I didn't grow up with TV, so it was very abnormal for me to like hair about walking anything. If you're likely, you're on this show that yeah. Ally saw some of the episodes really for me revealed to me editing. Editing is everything that they can. Aid. They can create. A perception. EHRLICH perspective of someone that is in China. We all know we understand now when things are taken out of context, but it was also like I was really encouraged every time when happened interview. Shoe. Opine on. Did you see these people holding hearings, or what do you think about? This argument happened here? It was a lot of trying to get out. With your help, they change this time in realized that. The only reason people want to see so much drama as because we're so used to it. But that. Is that weren't a thing that refenced people through arch they. Wouldn't eat it all the time, and so a lot of. Of My footage which I'm sure you guys have seen. Me On. The show is like some sort of robot. Because anytime. They asked me question I. Never Answer the way they wanted me to like. Really want to just say what you WANNA say. No. No, no, you're where it's your words and so is new on the shows like. Yeah I don't know. I think that that would be will. Being. Your. Bro. I can't figure out the video I had the same problems because I have a four K., a camera and some applications don't like down resit, so it just shows nothing. Miami what is going on? June I. The Square in place of view, but I can hear you. Yeah, this is A. Say this is solidarity with black lives matter stop on. Monday? What are you up to how your life? How's your family? Going on? Life is good rate just gotTA. I'm an uncle now. Relations crucial. And you know just on the online video thing about the stream after this. Life is very busy off very basic where you're going to be streaming. I think fortnight today. There's an event going on actually right now in Fort Night. So just seeing what else. What's going on over there lily? What's going on? How are you? Living the Dream Yeah. Do you WanNa talk about it? I told you Brown was with Frank. Shop and look what happened. I know I shouldn't say. They were rationing I regretted it every day. Since at makes you feel any better I. Think about every night before I go to sleep. H. I mean well Mike has been to Atlanta Paradise. Island I have yet to go so little better there. You know like in all seriousness. How long did it take for you guys to be? Okay with your loss Hard to hey. I? Mean there were two periods. One was very short after the show ended I. Think we wanted to win. I know he wanted to, and we obviously did but afterwards. I was so thankful that especially because backed away discussed, I wasn't sure how long green team was going to be sticking around the beach, just just to be able to make it to the end and having felt that I experienced everything. There was no day that I missed out on. was that fell to me like? The prize that was able to. Good about it that way, but it's kind of awkward when the show is airing and everyone wanted to talk about it all the time at school. Nova wondering. But that that made it more awkward when I did. Lose. Both the reason, the only question people ask Oh. You're on. You're on endurance. Did you win? It's like we two out of twenty people like. One question. So? I don't know if you guys know this, but when I got eliminated. I stayed for the duration of filming afterwards. Do that on some reality shows so that people don't know who gets eliminated win. so I was there in Mexico just chilling with my family. Having a great time after I got eliminated, but then when yellow got eliminated directly after me. Yellow was sent home immediately. Wow! So me and my family like we had. Like a vacation almost in Mexico this was back during the hulk was the movie of choice and I only know this. A. Walker from Burger King. And it was the oddest thing ever tasted from. I just remember the McDonald's or Burger King, that was across from the hotels right so. The story from Glenn and Trae about how they used to go play the play play, they were there. A while after the right to stay mission was done, and how they were just like kids in there, they're both hilarious troublemakers at that time, Mike and I. Actually we should share the we. We pilgrimage back to the location that they shot during to on we, we went salonpas and we pay. The taxi driver pointed at the place. We thought it was on automatic, and the guy couldn't even drive all the way there because the car couldn't get through the Desert Mike all you continue because like I thought I was going to die the whole time. Like you, you can tell the you'll be quicker at it, so we were on a cruise and we knew the cruise stopping in the pause for like Oh. Wouldn't it be funny if we went to the endurance site, but we did a little bit of research beforehand. We like couldn't tell if a place even still existed and some of the time we got off the bow. Oh, we're never going to find it. Let's just give it one shot and the taxi driver happen to know where it was so we're like this is perfect, but then he drove us down. Probably the bumpiest road I've ever been on definitely is not supposed to have vans on it that do not have like army level treads, but some we went on his bumpy bumpy road, and he dropped us off almost right where we got on the donkeys and he's like. Oh, the car can't go any farther, but all hanging here and you guys go, so you mean you an hour? gave us an hour so. We walked through the sand, wearing not appropriate footwear at all. Because we thought we were not be able to do this. We thought we were just going to hang at the city, but after thirty minutes of trekking. We were it was one of the most cinematic, almost because this point, where like Oh, this actually may might not be a looks kind of similar can't tell we're just GONNA go around the corner and see a corner looked like it was ten minutes away. The corner was thirty minutes away so by the time we get there. We're like no, this is not at. This is a big mistake. We turn the corner in the site. was still there I mean it looked? They're not using it as a ranch anymore. It was pretty abandoned and it's much smaller. Remembered. Like the whole thing was like you could probably walk across it in three minutes, but yeah, it was there it was. It was it was pretty surreal I. Can't help but associated lot of meaning to certain places in your life, and to be able to be back in physical place was very. Beautiful Iraq together and then we rush back. Make sure meeting left behind. What you said. Did I just miss the beginning of the story and you went back there. Yeah like we years ago. Yeah, yeah. Wow! Round team was given an inherent advantage. Not have to ride the donkeys. Hours. Ation. My Groin was hurting. Alsgaard is challenge right there. The donkey ride there. Heck. Days. Real and I got one of the donkey's with the slender bag so. WHAT THOSE OTHER GUYS! Don. Matt Scooter. REC-. You're on Youtube now. You do a bunch of videos which are hilarious by the way. You. Did Endurance, make you WANNA go into the TV at all or in entertainment, or do you think you would have anyway I? Think for a lot of us and durrance was that catalyst moment? A lot of are already like probably had ambitions of doing TV and film, which is why we run on the show in the first place. But I think for a lot of US seeing the background. Scene behind the scenes seeing how it's put together cue cards umbrella lady all of that. I think kind of inspired us to continue on on. On our journey. into. I can make room for someone else to come in because I think there's only six people. Yeah, we go. You have to move on to endurance endurance six guys season sex by Dennis. Thank you so much for your time and your friendship I Miss You I. Love You girl! Stay healthy during the same. Lana. Internet's been why I still can't believe Brown one. Questions you guys for Studer and Mike Book where we have to move on to e six. Nice to meet Nice Yes you to. Talk to Krista. Do you talk to anybody who who you talk to scooter? I have run into Glenn in person. It was odd we were at. And Mlb all star event he was. I, don't know if he was playing it or one of his friend, one of his actor friend this before he got like. Be Bigger than he is now. But I was interviewing some of the. Celebrities or the Mlb all-star game, and he was randomly there other than that pretty much key in whenever I'm in La. And but yeah crystal have no idea what she's doing right now. But we are facebook friends. I should find her. While? London. You're in the UK. Yup. Yeah been here for a couple months now moved in January. I can't wait to get a British accent. Next time talk, it'll be there. In the garage. I might consider I love you so much. Thank you so much for coming on today and you're safe and healthy and stay in touch so to see all the. Guys. Regard. For Life. Their own fame. I love seeing all this. Saying raising. So now we had from Mexico all the way over to Hawaii for season three. The island is an island in an island, and we already have monroe here, so it's only fitting that we bring on his very own teammate. Hyman. A! Girl. On I am honored to be here, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah Well I will say the same about you all. Dancer. I must say. We're both. We're in black. We didn't even coordinate this we are. Thing Off Okay well. and. I don't buy yellow endurance shirt in storage at my mom's. And at my own Frat! Space at this point, but nine days. So, yes, so season three. Watching I haven't watched it in fifteen years, but getting ready for the I was watching. Keating, William Aaron and bree about this that was allow Ryan brave! Have you watched episodes in the last decade? Okay, actually. We have like every new. Year's Eve. We have Richard issue with that of friends to. Let. Endurance. I know it's. Still are I must say. But I. Don't have access to us. On Youtube so i. don't even have. You know. Full episodes or anything just the highlights, but yeah, we watch it I mean almost every. Like five minutes or so. Back for you. What is it like watching him back, yeah. Oh it's funny. We laugh and laugh it's. It's the best. Entertainment Possible I think. It I guess I watched it. Like yesterday I watched all endurance three. It was just kind of like live tweeting on our text chain and. Breathe like I have to say those girl her. Like. Would they really that behind the seem like they all were such. And like I don't know you didn't seem to take the high road and I'm like yes Gerber horrible. You. Nice. It's no wonder I'm obsessed with reality TV still to this day, but. Everything that you saw was so real. You know like there was no racing behind the scenes. There was no like encouraging one saying or team, or even how the teams ended up. There was now. It was just so real, so yeah, the girls it was not. As Nice as you would have. Made for Great TV, you did come across, as or maybe it did, and does re watching. It again reminded me that. You know the first few days is kind of when we all collect up and not. Going to happen, and it really was Brie with you and Alex and it was done the other girls, and so had Alex State, it might have been like more of like a two rival team but i. m Alex got the Boo right from jump. It just felt like. Everyone's ganging up, but it did start off I. Mean You and Alec Were Wild Sex of my favorite two girls hilarious good time, but it wasn't totally everyone against bree at the beginning, it was more of like two groups and girls that you know the click nine yeah. You're absolutely right. I loved Alex we all loved outlets. It was definitely a good bond that we had teams strategizing the ECHO Unfortunate that they left so early. But. I feel like. True to my personality I was probably vocal ahead. My thoughts. My interview along didn't stay inside my brain. so for better for worse you know. It is this. Keep in touch anyone else from your show. let me think like Manera honestly. It's really monroe who is to. You know regularly we. We keep in touch and know it's on each other's lives. Otherwise, it's like that weird social media like you know your friends look people on facebook or instagram. You see highlights going on about other people that were on his show, but that's really it honestly though I have bonded find Lindy. Ed. I feel like Monroe. Do you feel like you've ever been? Also media now, but. Remembering Dan Hey. y'All. On. I don't know what happened to Lindy's because she wasn't totally off the face of the earth in Earth. or I don't know where he made him you know. Lived in Galapagos islands forever after the. I actually do something maybe. Really. What do you know well I? I have recently gotten back on like the endurance pro boards, which believe it or not are still going strong. Wow! Interns. Real. Karma has acting in a couple INSA stories. Have Gotten like three M's today. Yeah our instagram. Funniest thing. That's funny by the way I'm the one that run run so high. But, but anyway there was a picture. Somebody had found Lindy's I. Don't facebook or something, and there was a picture of her like with a baby, so I don't know if it was hers are. So, good Bree, we already talked about how you guys. Definitely the hardest right to stay challenge but I think you guys had the best like prize getting to go to go up against island like come on. That is so cool, compared to like Atlantis Paradise, island come on. What the heck was that. I know, but I would know. A lot of fine. For them that they got the go. Yeah Yeah. I had the opportunity to go. I would go. I'm sure I would've loved. To University or something? INVITE WHOEVER Weird why that, wasn't it? Or just like a scholarship or something on surly college because. You know why. My match just that. Totally yeah everybody. Everybody plays. Cries is not a fake ation. Vacation. I guess we'll find out what that. Right. In An episode one little bitcoin. Really use the money. Hawaii stands out to me in terms of location amongst all of the other seasons because. It's rainy and money and you're living in huts. What was that experience like because I know for? Russian. Yeah, because I know for the other seasons. I Know Lily you. Our in tree houses in key newer. The near the beach. Look like a walk in the park. Compared to why what was what was that whole thing? WanNa. Try Man or I do remember breathing relief that I picked the yellow which ended up being her color as well because it would go dirty. During the UP. So that was one unforced thing, but the went halfway through the season. Jd gave us all boot because. Work continuously wet to the point where we were like getting health issues as a related to that just being wet all the time. which that's what I remember them over is just being. Drenched, like Thursday was on ends. So? It. It was in Intro, but maybe it was in like the intro episode where Jd would introduce where we were and was like the these kids are staying on an island on an island. Young. So it's crazy as unquiet on. Similarly, a lot of other wine islands, but like. You could go a mile south and it never rains, but where the chose our location, it rained every single day and I remember we would have to get evacuated some nights because it would rain too much at night. In case, there was any problems or medical issues. You couldn't get off of the island on the island on. The nearest hotel monroe remember was like a five star resort. Imprint pill, or print. Angry. Town was but I remember. I mean this is like something so silly, but I remember it'd be the first time we'd be able to the only time we could take. A hot shower wasn't rainwater. You could like low. Dry Your hair. But. It was so way and I feel like we were. We were even we didn't win. Although I, don't know if I need to I, want to remind us of that, but we were there up until the night before the fine all. On episode. Air I mean? was recorded, so we were there for like three weeks essentially the entire time the show is. So. Definitely by the end, there was a damper on your mood I fell like. We kind of all towards the end. We're just feeling very depressed, but affected by the weather. Yeah it was I can't believe we live that everything. For Enron brain. What was your proudest moment on endurance, and probably the moment you're like? Oh I! Wish I didn't do that or oh, that's hard to watch. I got I know. Shut my head. Okay to answer that so hard to watch. Is My reaction on getting bumped out of the circle from Chris and getting. Quote Unquote stuff with Monroe. That was the bratty. MOJO's. It was such an awful. Reaction that I had. Grow. I feel like. That I mean and Cheer Point Keenan before. Is that like the drama was really really could not make that up of how earthly imperfect! That went army. And, the best part was the underdog story I mean Monroe and I were not each other's first choice, but in the end we were the strongest. Team together. We loved each other the most returned into your best friends on the show. In really cared about each other and I think that was really awesome and really cool to watch just the honesty in all of that from start to finish and how we really ended up. And now the best. I Love Green I. Feel like it as a viewer. I really felt like I watched. You change like. Is that would. Would that be an accurate way to to say that like? Do you feel endurance? Really changed you. Rana. Totally I mean. Especially what you're with only these people for such a short amount of time. All of these feelings and emotions happened so much quicker than normal life. and I can totally see me grow. As essentially like you know, I think I was irking on the show. But you can totally seeming grow as a person in that such and such a short amount of time on. It touches on everything of you know. There are so many different emotions that go along with it. Oh Yeah and. This was a season that had a lot of of back and forth between the dynamics between the teams and. I know this was touched on when you talked about being bombed, but I think Hawaii had my favorite partner selection twist. Each season had its own way of selecting a partner in color, and for yours. They had fourteen balls that they shot out of a device. And everybody I caught them one to fourteen and then. The person had fourteen I and chose a color, and then everybody would keep going. Up until number one who had not only get. A color, but also a partner and very interesting seeing how? The Wall how even ended up going because the top two who were believed Damian and Lindy they I mean ultimately on paper. They made the right choice, but there was definitely. Two different two different stories for those for those. Two teams. What was that like sort of the dynamics between the teams as it went on because I know orange like enemies and frenemies and I can't even explain what that whole. Yeah. I must say Monroe can play this game and the sense that he's able to be French people, and he's so like a ball and. He can. Get by with you know talking to these people's them and then talking about me. And I was just like I can't stand you and it was obvious whether I said it or Or Immobile that? It's like I couldn't contain. The on it that honesty so. Having been rose, my partner was a blessing because he was the softness. That I definitely needed to be likable. Just friendlier to. To make ourselves last even longer you now. About, your was. That side and looking back on the show. I. Wish I was more like that during it because I was living in a solution like if I'm just a nice to these people for one more day, they might not do this thing that I'm trying to manipulate them. Not Do and you were already like I know they're going to do whether. Or not and not, we were dead. Kowtow Danny One, but I loved that. You didn't even entertain the possibility of it because the reality was. Usually that door was not open Chris and we're just. Bros. at. Least Yeah. There was no breaking up and I it was. So high like it was so cliquey and high school like it was it like I- uncomfortable watching I. Even like really be like I feel uncomfortable. Watching season like it feels like just really now. See and I and I feel like the next season. They must have done something to kind of keep the kids from being at each other's throats and being so mean. Not like the next season with a little nicer, and then it got mean again They, they did something right which hanthropy. Absolute Jerry Yeah. Five got ugly again. Well I feel like we could talk for hours and Cleveland Join our little group chat so when we all watch endurance now we can laugh at each other. Access. To show. Yeah, we'll send you the link to season three because it's. It's definitely out there, so if you wanna see the whole thing. We got you. So much for having me. Through Nice meeting. Thank you and. I love that you guys still talk regularly. Own! Trat? Yeah so. That! Pratt. So. First off I guess I got something to say by the way Monroe is a pleasure to see you in person I got. A handful times on AOL instant. MESSENGER way back. Yeah so it is an honor and to see all you guys. Pretty Great. Yeah so are. Introduced myself. Yes, I have to. This season for to Hatch P. This this is a season that. When I. It came off the heels of Hawaii, and I remember watching it and at the time. I enjoyed it, but I think over the years. I think that to be by far this season I've gained the most love and appreciation for. Their. What it was. It was so it's so pleasant to watch. The sat down and watched the whole thing and. Everybody got along. There was a lot of upset wins. I felt like you never really knew who is going to win until the end because it really felt like any team could win. Any challenge and I loved some of the mechanics of having challenges where only one person could win, so everybody's competing but. It was it was so interesting in. In that way and the way that you to came. Magical, so we have Frankie Erica. Read. You the. The Go. From ads! I'm ecstatic to be here. I'm ecstatic that Erica agreed to do it to. Say when I found out that they had asked you set your message on Facebook I. Don't use facebook anymore, but I've been looking out. I've been looking for an excuse to reach out to you for years now and. I'm glad I finally because I lost touch with you and that's all me and. I'll get into that later realm. It's just. I'm happy to be here. I really truly and I got a lot of stuff to say a lot of stuff to say. Hobbits you. WanNa. Hear me ramble for a little bit. Awesome French law that. Sorry. Can we talk about that? Lake because. I episode and everybody's running and swimming in this league, and in the right to stay challenge you see. All the there I don't even know the pond the sea. Algae Michael taken off staff and everything and. The lake was jumping in that lake. We were like Oh my God. It's going to be refreshing. It's beautiful. Look at this place you go in my thoughts sinks. Into the just just you feel it sinking into the mud and I was like. Oh this is not what I was prepared for, and just the algae and everything it got everywhere it was. That was definitely something. I was not prepared for, but it was. It was the whole place was great, so you will about the lake and I tried to avoid going into the lake. I remember there was one time Amelia I. Really Miss this girl a million. She had just gotten out of the shower. Right and I think it was hard. Is They were playing around? They were messing around. And then he slips, and she goes into the lake. She just follows in the lake and she comes out. She's freaking drenched and she had just. Gotten out of the shower, so obviously she has to jump and again she was freaking out and you remember that Eric. I'd remember stuff. GOING, remember I was part of and let me tell you. This was before me and started off on the wrong foot so when we met. This is before we patch things up, I think because I said I said a million. Why aren't you melting? I said to her so. No no one no one. Recalling her wit that the very root of you breaking I listen. I was rude, ignorant just. I was a teenager, but got started off on the wrong foot, and she ended up being one of the nicest people that I had ever met. She is good people and she was the one that I kept in contact with the longest, so you're married girl. No I did not. I, didn't we almost had Amelia on tonight? She almost was here, yeah. Something, she had something. Currently tonight so spread. Yeah. We wish all the best always and your. Your season was interesting, because unlike any other season, the partner twist ultimately came down whoever won the challenge, and they'd this well with the exception of Amelia Shea, who got to pick each other and the color and got a free pass. which was good for them they have. Definitely, said I WANNA Melia I want Shea. Are We want blue? There you go. So Chris. ultimately got to decide the six other teams and their colors. And so, how is that going to that because I know that Frank? You originally had wanted Julie correct. Yes. Yes, I did at the time. Erica for some reason wanted me, and it really worked out. And you know I got along a lot better with Erica. I'm talking too much. Erica you should talk a little bit. I'm really talking to. I mean. I'm trying to. Yeah I remember everything. Just. Sort of like Chris picked. He got a pair. Everyone up right Just kinda ended up being that way. I was pretty like in the backseat on everything. Endurance in terms of like what went down and just went with the flow so. I. Picked us right and then well. The thing. Is We all? I distinctly remember we all came like Oh I. WanNa be with this person. I wanted to be with this person. Daniele really wanted to be with Mikey. They had a little England and confession time I ended up developing a huge crush on Danielle towards the end and I. Totally dropped the ball. I was an idiot. I was a dumb teenager. WHO had no idea how to handle those? Handle those feelings once they came out. No problem nothing wrong with that, but I was a freaking idiot so it you know minor regretted mind. I'll say, but she wanted to be with Mike. and. We had to John's gentlemen the Great Team and we had Jonathan on the purple team, so I called John on the Great Team John John and I ended up calling John The purple team John Bright so she. She got paired up with John Because Chris. He considered for a minute he was like. Should I put everyone who wants to be together together, or should I throw a little wrench into the plan? You know so. He ended up putting Danielle with John and. She was very shook up about that. She cried about it. She was she was sad and I said to them I. Don't know if you saw this on the show or not, but I said that my said you never know you, too. Might end up being enacted being a really good team, and as time went on, and she got to know Mikey more, and this cast clicked day one. We were really friendly with each other day. One and the producers even said to our parents They said they said this is the nicest group of kids we've ever had. We just that we were just talking to break heard for Wii and we were just saying Oh. Yeah like it's something. They're super mean in Hawaii and then offer your taxes just like the nicest kind uncle kids. You're playing hard and you know that sucks. We lost you know to gain an and we're GONNA. Talk it out like yes. Why one bad you guys. Do you think that it was just the way guys are? You had mutual respect for each other was coincidental. That producers had anything to do that. Maybe the right to stay because arcing yeah. I'm sorry I keep cutting people off. Chatterbox they call me the megaphone for a reason. How I. Partner. You guys wanted because I felt like we were in that day before you pick your partner in our fear, and it was very much people trying to buddy up with who is perceived to be popular. So. I read I'm going Outta. How were you guys jocking partners? Were you looking at who appeared the most athletic, the most popular? What was going through your head? I have no idea. I mean the thing is i. was just I thought there was? I talked with. Julia a little bit but I don't know I, Eric gravitated towards me to this day I. Still have no idea I can't say. Yeah we. All talked and they said who they wanted. And Nobody wanted Frankie. Frankie! A vocal person, nor am I curse in of conflict. She got. Really like very. Vocal about who they wanted. And I think I was like fourteen at the time like I honestly didn't hear like I. I wanted to be on this show 'cause I. thought it was like China and we gotta do all these challenges and. I. Could I could partner with anyone that boy so well. It worked out for you. Know. Being Brady got so lucky I. Remember just watching. Like. Cut Taller than every single person on MC more athletic than anybody who has ever been on this show. I don't WanNA fight. Hers Beyond Me Yeah That's Rob Challenge to which I'm surprised. They didn't adjust that for. Everybody's high because it didn't. Take. That but What a moment! Favorite Challenge I think of endurance was always challenge watching that whole thing down watching air. How everybody to pick the super team? We have to super team winners. Erica. The right to. The super teams here, so yeah! I gotta say. I'm sorry. I was just GonNa. Say Erica you are. Usually called the strongest girl to ever plan Durance. Contest. Yeah, what's your reaction? By the way I'm second Frankie. Don't even talk. On things like I gotTa, I gotTa side with. The one I came to the dance with young. What's your? How do you feel about that? How do you feel about that title? I think that's great. I think that's an honor. It was just something that you know I. Just like last in grateful for that and I was just watching on instagram Monroe's challenge. With Brie and the one where he had a whole, and I just love. Watching. And I wish we could have recreated that challenge a holding that in that position, and we just got lucky on all the challenges from to Hatch P. Like. A work on. Individually based and. And, so and then they happen to be like the last challenge with the purple team where they had like they had the extra weight. Yeah, and we were like held on in that way and suspended I. Think we could have been there for hours as you had to do with like our. Yeah, our body type. We were destined hunger. They did not account for high. Tart. Don't kill me for saying. This is soon as I. saw that challenge set up as soon as I saw I was like. Oh, we got this in the bag. Right! What are what are you guys up to right now like I haven't I. I. Don't know what anybody of your seasons up to accept. Nick who got eliminated? What first round because he's Nice? Season Two so WHOA WHOA. A little endurance back Nick Nicholas from you guys. First cousin. Now here's the baby girl now, okay? You go first because I a lot to say. So I'm a teacher, this is my I'm finishing out my fifth year and. An online schooling for the past three months. And we've just been at home, so I live in southern California and. Just at home. You just started opening up, so we can go surf. Mountains are open. We can go high. So Yeah We've been on lockdown for right now. Products and things are slowly opening up and schools. On someone summer now so congratulations the streets you hear Ya. But. Still Live SNL say down, yeah! Blessing! So drinking glad you asked as for me, still trying to hack it as an actor, it's I'm taking the work that comes my way within reason, but I started moving into a career in east sports all right. Video game tournaments things like that. So I'll commentate. I'll host. I'M THE HEAD OF A. People tell you on the head of a community for this particular video game and when we. Compete, in tournaments we compete under pseudonyms Gamer tags is they're calling and no matter what my Gamertag. was people would still call me Frankie, Frankie Sisto it no matter what they would always call me by my full name. That's what everyone knows me. So I would go around with around tournaments with a megaphone. To get people to sign up for this game that I play because I want the community for this game to grow, so people started calling me megaphone Frankie so. I recently started streaming. twitch TV's. Me Slash Megaphone Frankie We have a weekly practice session for the game and you know quarantine beard people at shocked people because when I went when I started stream for the first time. People saw that they were like Whoa. WHO's this guy I'm like? It's a man, but. I so I stream megaphone Frankie. I do some youtube stuff here and there. We have a weekly practice session for this video. Game Wind Jammers Wednesdays. We call it, so all are welcome. That is what I always say. All are welcome in the wind jammers community and I've been focusing on that The quarantine hit US pretty hard. All of eastwards were hurting for a little bit, but you know friendly. Online play, so it's great. Game The game is called wind jammers. Okay W I am D jammers. It came out in. Oh, look it up, dude, it is bong meets ultimate Frisbee. FRIGGING DUDE! Yeah, look it up I'm telling you. It's the greatest thing ever I. Don't have wind chambers that is join this community, please in Japan, alone, flying power disc, and the crazy thing is trying guess on his game. K, now who I was born in this game came out. Yeah, this game came out twenty six years ago. This past February, they announced in two thousand eighteen that a sequel is coming out. Wind Jammers two. For the Nintendo switch, we have no idea what it's coming up. Really thing, Dude. It's frigging great and. Like I always say I try and foster this community where all are welcome. We all come together. Play this game and I just want the community to grow and expand because I firmly believe the win. This game comes out. We're going to take eastwards sports by storm. They're ready for the wind jammers. Ladies. How does one you join I wind jammers, because I'm seriously interested. Well, bio means if come, the Wind Jammers Wednesdays, and this is a personal invite to everybody come to wind Jammers Wednesdays. We got me and a bunch of my crew. We stream, and we have discord jammed. Wind is reward. And we meet there. We do voice chat every week. We just sit there. We chill and we jam frigging great dude. So I need in my life. I mean. Young all. Y'All and let me tell you. The craziest thing is I. Don't talk about endurance too much. Because I always feel like I'm bragging when I love when people. Find, out on their own. There was a tournament I went to. It was called final boss in Newark new. Jersey is just two years ago. It was for poking tournament. Which is the POKEMON fighting game right? By boys comes up to me and he says he says so. We did some digging. and. We found something i. knew exactly what it was talking about I was like. Continue and Basically that's how one particular community found out about it. Whenever people talk to me about it, they always ask questions and I tell any story. They WANNA hear. The jammers all know about it. They all know about it, but. I. Whenever someone asks me about it. I'M NOT GONNA hide I got so many memories I could talk about it for hours and hours. It really has done so much for me. I've met lifelong friends I've got to. Participate in some of the I got to over all right. I shouldn't say oversee, but I got to participate to the two largest tournaments in the history of this game. I got to commentate next to a WWe wrestler I got to dine with players from France from Spain from Japan I got to watch the sunset with two players from Spain who got to meet their French rival in person for the first time, or got to witness that handshake I have seen so many things because this game because of east sports and I wouldn't trade that for the world. I don't know how much longer this journey is GonNa last, but I hope it doesn't end because I. I. Got so much more I wanted to see I was trying to go to France this year. Because the best, the biggest community for wind jammers is in France and they know who I am. Like I've got to meet. These guys and I have the fortune of calling so many of these guys friends they they've invited me to come over to France. I wanted to try and go this year, but I got summoned for jury duty, and then you know you know what happened so I didn't get the chance to go yet, but one of these days I'm going and when when James comes out. What where are you located? South Jersey, so we got hit especially. Myers so I live with my mom and dad. Try to hack it as an actor. McKay by which I wish. My parents lived in La so I could be living with them so I could save our. Budget. That's why I'm grateful for MOM and Dad. All the other work I do. It allows me to travel like their people across the country around the world. Know who I am I have no idea how that came to be, but it's it's a blessing, and it's not all. It's not all peaches and cream. It's not but I. I live a good life. No one trade that for anything. Before, we have to say goodbye to you is real quick back memory from endurance and ten words or less to watch? Out? To See one. When I turned sixteen and celebrated my birthday. Oh. Remember, we saw great into ever forget. Everything. You? Know that would go out. In the universe, two thousand six rock paper scissors champion. I guess me. You can't winning say. I was like I remember that. Remember so much on the show. Also going to I would say that will. BE REMINDS! Staying extra so I would say that was like a one of the greatest blessings to be able to go out there, and it was a result of the show and. So just meeting people. Thought. That was a great experience in. The favorite part and I just WANNA. I just WanNa, say to all the people who are listening and not watching that Erica and Frankie look exactly the same. It's up. Frankie has a giant beard now. This is the barbarian bis the quarantine days. This is the longest. My beard is ever gotten like I was growing it and I was like wait. It's not itching all right. Let's see how far we can take this. There was a point where we needed to stop, and we've clearly passed it well. Let's keep going and see what happens, and this is the result. E can almost put it in a a hair tied down here. I'm tempted to go the full four in frigging avengers. Endgame I know I can do it if I just. Focus hard. Enough I can do the brain. I'm tempted, but I. It's funny. A friend of mine challenged me to a speed run race for this particular video game, and we're both putting our quarantine beards on the line so I. Don't know how much longer this is going to last. I know he's GonNa beat me. I. Just you know, Frankly Cisco doesn't turn down a challenge. and. I was ever on any season. I wish it was to hatch P., but it's too young. But been such a pleasure with the both of you and I'm definitely coming to win. Jammers Wednesday. and. I hope to see all you there I'd be delighted to teach out of play, and I got stories for hours and I'm sure that we got like a bunch of people. Join US every week I'm sure the crew would be delighted to meet you guys to. Koya, you guys. You've been taught so about. Six years ago, my first interview. From, somebody from endurance, we talked about every single season of endurance, including his Monroe. Your name was dropped in season. Five win. Taylor asked him to. Be Monroe and he did. What did? You know what I'll let I'll let. John. Hello Baikonur. Z are you. Are you guys run well? If I had known I was following Frankie's beard. I would've just shaved the whole thing off. Kim People with that. Good Thank you. Yeah So. What's your season today Connor In my mind and I have to say I am so sorry like you want the frigging Karma vote. Commissioner. And the Lynn just flip between your fingers, and you know man. Thank. You did that wasn't thing to see the Kurds and that was. Important Yeah I really thought that I I mean I. Thought. It was impossible like when we were going for the third time I was like. Pretty good. We were all watching up on. Time. And and This person actually. Lily and Eric Together. Calls on season five. It was sort of they started wh who they start, they started wake up and down. The line had each team pick the next one. So when ceiling Alex put together leaning. So we have. We have. Rowdy. Yeah! I'm I'm so happy to have sealy here because. I actually I love that. I have three different teams from the same season here. Because that way, we can get four kind of perspective on everything high Sierra because. What a season it was! Tree houses you had. A bunch of Twists in partners swaps in odds and different factions. It was it was a lot happening a lot of lot of stuff happening there that trio. Let I. Mean I think we all. Over for that you then. I would. I want to go to three hours and make that my real. Real, well I don't know how nicer than. By with. The same, but it lane thing. I think we have the best lodging for Shea. Rains on Hawaii it's. Dry climate goal on. Our for foam and infested with Scorpions. We ended up on the beach every night. Hey when you walked up inside the white. Hut Right to the overall when you saw the do things like was direction absolutely mind blown and then. Just to get up into the treehouse was difficult. You climb up the stairs or you had to go around the backup to another stairwell, but it was too late to stories that we had on our tree houses. We had where we all slept. And then you can go up and kind of have a roof dyke kind of view, but it was incredible and I. Think all of us. Our mouths just dropped when we saw what we were going to be living in. And then we had this like other little nest little. With bees. Curl. Numb by the bees. By a be within like thirty minutes arriving to the camp, I always forget about that. Great side here like. I remember one of the producers coming up like I. Don't know how we didn't find this Behi- before. Like sorry guys! I remember seeing seeing the tree houses. It was actually my first interview of the show I was. I was I was in the back when we were walking to the tree houses, and so everybody started screaming and I was like why the heck were you screaming guy? I kind of forgot what they look like I'm GonNa pull these yeah. They were amazing. Weren't Maxon Philip from season to on the crew for High Sierras. Shot Joe was there was. Jeff's first job in entertainment and whether the lily correct me if I'm wrong with this story, his family has a cabin up near there. He was kind of just walking around and saw them filming and went up and found out I was endurance for job. Understanding to yeah okay, cool. Yeah, I'm. I'm so happy that. You got to vote and he when he was trying to get in contact with them, and he said. Hey, you guys can use my boat if for anything out setting up missions on Shaver Lake and they're like. Yeah, actually we do need a boat. So he got in there and immediately started helping out, and I mean we loved having Jeff's there. It was incredible alumni there that we could talk to you about everything we were going through. And Jack is it like he's? He's one of the people. I still keep in touch with them. Guy Can work with on survivor, and so he's the be probably the best person that could work with close with you. Guys on that show isn't alumni. That's awesome. What are you guys up to now? I kind of know lillies up to feeling like what besides being quarantine where? Not much at the moment a. I live in Brooklyn. So. Hard of the. all the cases that I seem young a little bit. You know at least pass that bad boyne. I'm a software developer. and. With with my fiance and a little Huahua. Life Look at you got. Your second. I'm actually living in Boston now alumina. I've been moving all over the country. Towards Broadcasting, and so I've lived in four different states, but I moved to Massachusetts. Last October I'm working for new. England sports. Network Nessin co-hosting there late night. Sports show after hours and it's been a blast Lebanon. Actually! When I was back in Boston. Several months ago I was visiting a friend, and we're out at a bar. And it was like after there've been bruins game on or something, and it was still on messing and I saw the ad and I was like. That's. Unnecessary it's insane. Do a lot of. Still like you can have more of a recent recent season, so the teen years ago, but you guys keep in touch with other people. I. Mean people not like super often, but actually. It's interesting how? Like on, his brother ended up going to college in my town. He lived at my house like. The honest gambling is very good. Friends with my family like I still talk to Darcy once in a while. Isaac lives in southern California, so I still see him from blue slash grey team. So so yeah and keep in touch with some people. Eric visited La and we got. We got dinner that was nice. Nearly missing out a Dakota, on US little sister a couple months ago because he was in town because now he's living overseas. And I think the last couple of people that I saw. Was Lilly back when I was like sixteen. Longtime ago and then Christine I think was the same time right around then I went out to California to visit and hang out with her. Max was in Colorado for a little bit when I was in Colorado couple of years ago and we were talking about like. Hey, let's get together. Let's get together and just like couldn't get around to it. But Alex and I talked a couple days ago and once things settled down. We're going to hang out and see each other living in Massachusetts, so yeah. Yeah! So. It's an Taylor's somewhere out here still too so I would like to catch up with her as well so yeah I I want to do a better job of seeing everybody. You guys now. Have, you, re watch it like I. Just rewatch today. prepping for this and like all three of you have very like. Do you feel like you're edit? We're like what it was really lake or Look back on it and we're like Oh. That's not really you know how I experienced it. I feel like mine was accurate. I mean I was pretty quiet. I was nice and. Kind of felt bad about the ruthlessness that I did take part in once or twice I mean I feel like mine was pretty accurate. When social media pretty hot when you guys came off the show, because I I did my two thousand four, and this was like pre facebook. So there wasn't a lot of social media coming up. Was it at a picked up by the point? A little more. We I remember. When after the show everyone? Or when someone would leave or something like? Say Adamy on my space and I hadn't even heard of that. Yeah. I got one just to keep in touch with people from this show, but I think about that a lot. How I feel like we kind of converged a bullet being on TV before all scrutiny is social media and everything, and certainly having those things align because it. Especially, at that age I imagine it would be crazy to be able to see what. Like the worst things people say about new on social media and everything. We've KARMIC important I'm. Never going to be happy and support them, but what's really it? Teenagers are a wild breed and teenagers online, who weren't on Karma but Watson Carmen reacting to it and saying things just because they're reacting A unique experience for the. Group. Thinks media is going to affect them a lot more than it did us. In good and bad ways I, think their exposure and the amount of people that are be watching interacting with them. That's a positive that you see in social media, but then again when you're a teenager and other teenagers are watching. It is easier to to bully and to just post something online, so they're going to have to deal with that. We didn't have to deal with that. Because I got a facebook I think. Right, after all of this and I was still so new to it, but my spaces around, but Twitter and Instagram, so it's a different world for for this group of teenagers for sure. Now Any, when you look back on this show, are there any like what is kind of your proudest moment and you can't say winning because obviously, that's a very proud moment. So what was your? One kind of a moment and you kind of grin yet now. Connor. Say My. Crowd was probably the. Getting the Karma vote. Even though we didn't end up winning that challenge on it kind of felt like. Combinations or some? Positive validation. It was nice to get the support from everybody. and. In Times of one. I mean I I feel bad about. Giving up strategy at the temple. I think that was sort of. Playing scared moment I was so psyched out by the big four team alliance, and it was sort of just of the mindset that like if we can do anything to by ourselves, even just like another couple days than. We should do de but Seeing actually after the fact I was like that kind of harsh like I'm probably didn't really need to do that. Of that that season of discussing people's Temple strategies before, yeah. Daily, I mean. Is it. Journey for sure I think there is. There is a lot of good moments I think there's a lot of bad moments to for for green and kind of the main alliance. Purple Red Orange Green where we had to make decisions. Based on our group and It's the modern day. Click and that kind of stuff. Was not the best, and I think that's something that the new show Karma is addressing is that if you do put good out there? You'll get good back and that's something that we didn't really. Have to face the consequence of. Our show. I think the consequences. We did face when Connor got all these votes, and you know getting immunity and stuff like that I mean green was not ever in that discussion we were. We were not very well liked. I think. Internally, we were like for the most part. But outwardly, when everybody else saw was was not a positive, so there's a lot of things. I look back on them like I wish I would have done this differently. I wish I would a treating people better. I think Lilly and Connor. Both played the game one hundred percent of the right way like I know connor and you talked about that for a little bit that you felt guilty about that, but. Feel like at the same time, you Hannity you what you had to do. And I don't think anybody ever held that it really against you. But. Definitely things that I fully own up till that I'm like I probably should have done differently so and little played the game perfectly too so. Well thank you. I mean looking back now. It's funny because. This our season did have a lot of ruthlessness like. Saying, Oh, we're going to switch red and green, and then switching blue and gray behind an everybody knew about like we ruthless, because wanted to everybody. Every. CHANGE LIKE! With like okay I can. Handle. It was apprenticed. By other that would should change and. If the group decides it as a group. Then go with it so right, right? The initial intention was good there, right? No, I totally I. Totally believe that you were going to do that. But it's funny because when I look back at the season. I don't think about those things. I look back at it as a good experience, and and when I watched back the other day, I was like wow. We were ruthless. You know, but but I do look back at it as a good positive experience and I. Don't think about those things when I when I think about it. I feel the same sort of tension where the. Feel like maybe something they didn't fully come across as. More we got down to the final. Four teams like. By the end when it was the final three I think we had another weekend before doing that the last couple days and By that point late. Of Us all got along pretty well. Remember Thinking Emily. I remember thinking like I should be i. don't know. Matter would it, but I feel like by that point. It was like we all sort of like. Playing a game. They sort of mutual respect and we had spent some time with each other by that point with. No one else attack. They were nothing else to. Do like you. You can't help, but by even if you've sort of been adversaries in the game. I agree with that completely and that we can that you're talking about I still think about that weekend and the things that we were able to do in our free time, and just get closer to one another and you knew that at some point. We're going to have to somebody who was going to get eliminated. and. Those were the moments that I wish people could have seen I mean I'm lucky that I got to share those moments with Connor. And the other teams as well, but it was. Truly like Willie said looking back on all of this, it was so much good and I have such fond memories. And everybody I think about all the time even if we don't talk, I mean that's how impactful this show was for me. Personally yeah, word. Just, going to say for anybody who doesn't know because we are kids under eighteen. We can't work work. You know quote. Seven days in a row, so we do get a weekend day off in those days. We don't have the film. Don't do any challenges and just get to hang out, and those were the moments that really stick with us. How many days you guys get on your feet? To, how many were on your? Maybe we did have to. Two we. Well we didn't plan we had like we had one day off and then film a few more days than had one more day off and then. It was the. Been, weird until link. We were Monday to Friday. Yeah. We're pretty like a Monday through Friday. Thing and I think we were off at least one day on the weekends. Tooting. For. Those off, we're really. We actually went to temple both the day before on both of them, so we got. You're going to miss out on the Austin data. On. Air But they. Were Good Day they were? We did very successfully lead the game behind for those twenty per hour in a way that yeah. Now I will say I guess somebody who just watched the season so recently seeing just moment between the three of you kind of just like being like. Hey, yeah, like things they. Things that. We were kid, but like at the end of the day. You guys, you know we're just so happy that we had the experience endurance together, and it just seems like it's been a positive thing for all of us, so thank you so much for coming on and sharing and like keep in touch like you know. We're not community and. We were all kind of feel blasted this way. Thank you so much for your time and. please. Keep in asking. US. Guys seriously if you're ever in La. Out Yeah that's. Definitely. Day thank. Thank you. Season six, we went from the High Sierras back out of the country for the first time since season two to Fiji and when you think of Endurance Fiji I think of three things, the first is the interesting editing choice. Where they took pictures of all the contestants on the beach, the pictures and teams and the pictures of the challenges and every challenge they would just. Pop in a quick five second slide show I thought that was very. Unique choice. For four hundred. Yes. The other two things are money love. and. Yes and TV nuts. which are related to both of the people that are about to be coming in? I the winner of the Monterey Lavaux. Who successfully lied about it? And ultimately ended up costing their friends the orange team from the green team we have leslie. Only. I was texting Hannibal this now. I wonder if they're going to bring it up. Her. Intention it came with monitor. Yes. Yeah. That was very successful. You convinced everybody a free pass, so I mean. How actually what I consider one of the? Most, brilliant strategic moves or lies I guess anybody has come up with was. Out Tell, tell everybody that you aren't able to be sent to. The temple and everybody bought it. They did and speaking of hand actually so in an interesting twist at the final three. They won. They won temple Shin. Yeah. HAD ONE RED TV nut. Placed into a bag and and his partner Jonathan. Fortunately pulled out the one. Read TV not that was. They're sending them to temple and ultimately the game when they should have rightfully been in the final two. I don't know how that happened, but here. But I'm having absolutely PTSD. Intrigue it like this thing that we're you right now. Something that I haven't talked about in the long. Like. And feeling there. Honestly honestly I'm just thinking about your face. When John? When John pulled out, the One TV met. Thank God it was John First off. I ask this actually always yeah. About nineteen, so I think every episode and every moment. The Red The red team's photo is my favorite photo with Hannah looking off to the side. Jonathan looking ahead like yes. Walk us through like how pitch that to you and just like how that went down. That was so on. Right yeah. That took us after every challenge. They would take us to interview us. I think yeah, and then we did a photo shoot at the beginning with like So you guys now in life like what what are you? Where are you working where you living How's your life changed in the thirteen years since endurance? Here God. Larry and I are both in Los Angeles actually I've been here for about, I wonder laugh laughing five years. And just then proceeding music and I'm also. Work a fitness. Instructor as well so much guy. Endurance in there, somehow totally we are using my passion for. Where you're at endurance cert- so, you're pilates redone. Shed I absolutely. Leslie. Oh my gosh, yeah I actually be music to so I write music for TV and film. And Sing Music for TV and film and Sports, trailers and PROMOS. Since really fun. I'm kind of I kind of mold together. My dream job. Why you. Rest of your. Where's my I'm sitting in in our gym in our garage. I doubt this morning so. Actually Glenn I'm actually quarantining with Glenn Right now. And, so we work out every morning together and it's like it's like Powell against Powell. It's great hand. Gun I think. Of Glenn. You are one of two contestants. I believe that. Has a sibling that was also on endurance. So what's it like for you to having both been on endurance and having had different experiences. You know you got second place. He was out in the right to stay like talk about endurance at all. We don't talk about endurance much anymore. I think at the beginning. It was really fun after he got knocked off that I made my video, my audition video together, which was a blast, and he even had me. It was like Oh this brilliant idea. And he put a horse carriage behind me and I pulled the horseferry in my audition video I don't have any of you. Guys saw mad. There's video. That was ridiculous And then because he wanted, they had to do the voting thing. Do you remember John? Runner sibling to. Okay and so that's her will and I got voted on the show. I feel like I, voted because at that point. It already known that I was contestant and then. They put on the website the other options like. Vote who we wanted to have on it. Yes. And Hope. You voted for me, I. Hope. Yes? I think of all of the. High Sierras as the one exception here because I think all of the other ones had some element of hanging. From something. I think of all of them. I think yours was probably the one I feel. I can to the Best Anna. Gloves and then it was just a thin rope with knots. Truly like have not forgotten that challenge. Me Like it was. You're like Oh hang on there for days it was crazy. We were all screaming like I don't I don't know if they caught on that on camera, but we were re. It was very scary. Jen and I remember thinking to myself like. Don't we air all like you got all the way to Fiji? You are not falling. We were all just like someone fall brilliant. Loud. Yeah Again, you were talking to yourself on it to you. You. Maybe that was cinnamon. No, no I definitely wasn't like spotlit. Being like she's talking. Talk I know I do know that women was very eager to do the challenge. beforehand, so it intimidated me a lot, so it was surprising when she fell. Yeah, we were all we were all fully down. Yours I'll just like he not to each other now on. I was singing. To Stop. Yeah. I guess we were seeing songs that they couldn't license on the show, right? And ruining. Raining there like you guys got. He's not the. COPS over anything. Lease as probably swearing in my head. Who knows everybody say? The. Only thing you can sing is like. An issue my look domain you. We know a long. We were hanging on the roads. I don't remember. I just wants to Several minutes at least I. Know that Yeah. Yeah. I loved watching you and Jonathan Your. Your partnership works friendship with so interesting because he's from the south. He talked very slowly and you're like very. excitable and, Lake. Yeah Sassy in talk really quickly so is fun to watch your conversations. Do you still keep in touch with him? And who else do you guys? Keep in touch with so nicely I? Keep in I would say probably the mall we used to I took it on family vacations right after I'm going to her for Thanksgiving dinner like we had really good solid relationship and just like. Even if we don't see each other for a long long periods of time, we will always check in our families. You know lobby cupbearer so I would say. She are we also keep in touch with well loved well. Caleb I saw when I went to Nashville. I think it was two years ago. We had a lot of fun that was really great got. Wife. And as far as John I haven't talked to John in a long time. I would say that the two of us are very very different, and we come from very different lock of life So I would say we spoke a lot. You know right after the show, but as time has gone on. It's been like a check in or so every few years just kinda see. You know everyone's up to buy. I did follow him on instagram recently, and he's like he looks like jacked. site. Grocery store get this. I think that working. I ran into a grocery store and he was like three times my size. Well, he he made. Show jacked and I didn't even recognizing reverse. I choose back that coming. He was throwing place. On this like. Such a determined mindset baton absolutely nothing him I knew you know later on in life. He was going to continue. Getting those gains. Like. He is. That man is dealt. Guys so impressed by you. 'cause you just like you, so sit up for yourself like all the. All out like I think. They're. Of of that age you, don't they? Don't feel you can do that, but that was so often. See you kind of be my apologized to me. That was wrong, but you called him out. I was like yeah, thank you any I felt like. I knew. Off turn show aired. I knew I was going to be a Kohler is in character. Weather people was absolutely or be like new. Are the Devil by, but I just had to be true to myself did I. Need to I roll every five minutes? No. That I need to stand up for maintaining. Stop Away. From the very beginning with Brianna, like yes, and I and I'm glad I did. I'm glad I stood up for myself and I. Still to this day you know, encourage everyone to offer free year voice and stand up there is. No Matter If people aren't gonNA that or not. That's the way the game goes is burned into my mind because they've claimed that during the promos for. Third. Actually. Fiji definitely had I think probably the hardest challenge. I should say it was tedious challenge. I, think I've ever seen I. Do not envy anybody that was involved in that challenge at all, and it was the one where Jonathan ended up yelling. and. Hey Gua. Miserable I was like the. Hardest thing I ever. Sander, but I've endured and granted I i. think maybe I could run a little fat. By, while now show, that was so hard luckily. People started passing out, so they had to change the rules in the middle. To takes takes time. It wasn't really. Degrees and we were going up and down hill in the in the sand, and back into the ocean, and just like I sweared is is probably my bands like there's a ninety percent jams that I. It was like we were in patent. Did I. Like why straight up just feed my best? Yeah. Yeah. I, remember this. My God was handed a collapsed on the sand I. Remember seeing a show, yeah! It would alter. He was another girl who. Blanking Jack Media what. Not Up Pretty. Jerry now we. Remember being like all of us relates. We're not enough lot. We said we weren't. Really Wild Calendar. To, interested in trae likely, should we? Should we head back. To Yeah that was? Ernst that magic box! That's for sure. Looking at I remember season six pretty well like I didn't even have to Rewatch it I feel like you to like red and green teams kind of. Really got really unlucky at the end obviously. Our And then you went to temple and went home. What and then Leslie Green Team I? Believe is the only team in endurance history that went into the final temple with more pieces loss. In, that had more pieces, vinyls, Yellow Warren. So you guys! They gave blue everybody that gave blue their pieces I brought. To you how? Ya Blue Blue. He only had six at the end whereas you had. Eight. Six to eight. Didn't work in that kind of final challenging scavenger hunt all over the island. Yeah! Draft daylight between the two you guys were. Slot? I think I'll still might be a little bit about it. I'm absolutely better about nine I was surely haunted me. I am fully better. How do you go home and like move past that? Because I know it's hard for me and I got six. You know it's like you guys were so close. You know there's been so many years that we can all just laugh about it. I think that like Leslie and I had very tearful. Moment of I think after after. We got. The called. The twist cards from Australia Yeah. But I do think that. After watching the show like. I don't know we were all everybody. was that about you know their own team leaving? I remember. Having a worn is be super super close. We were very close island and I remember when I found out just like how much she only played me and I had no idea. I, remember. Make. But you. Friend do that. Game like we did. Things very personally for me. -opoly year after. Anybody besides connor. Find that secret spot. That green and orange. And to discuss things I think we only met there one time. Honored definitely found us. It's true I mean if somebody didn't know that we had an alliance. Everybody didn't know until Jd told everyone right. He's like so leslie I'm like. Why would you do that? I'm older. Being played there about it. What happened in the secrets Shak stayed by sector anything. From like you can see this. Everyone else can't Jamie. How do you guys feel about like? Dan Age show like endurance coming back on the airways. I. Really Yeah. I mean. There's not. I feel like there used to be so many. Challenge shows for kids, and I just feel like that really kind of. went away for a while, so I think this is a great day. When I go back? To back? I mean I'll go back to the. You know literally on the same island that survivors filming on now for a few years, so it was only. A reminder. Season Oh that's where we found survivor now And also castaways. Across across the island. Yeah so I, remember we! We hiked one of those mountains on. We're one day off. And there was a a bold sir. Climbed and a boulder came down and literally almost hit both of us me and Hannah, and by the way we know. Before. It was heavy. Not Send you back where we would have. been destroyed. Oh, my Gosh! Oh, what a busy ruined on our! Ching well guy hit like he's got some. Yeah. Yeah. Let's manner then. It's no joke. Yacky wanted to put it under my pillow. She? Jilted visit. He thinks. Amazing. Learning everything. Resisting behind the scenes. On good terms Jackie. Actually funny story was in a Sorority with a bunch of girls. That I'm really good friends, but now that we just found out. She went team college my boyfriend. Small world. I went to college with Jackie actually. She went to Syracuse and we met up. At Syracuse, Abram went to Syracuse. was in her Ernie Which is hilarious? It's just this world. I don't thoughts on kind of your experience as a whole and how you look back on it. It was true. One of the craziest cool things that I will ever have done in my life and I don't take a moment about her granted, and I think about just like the memories in the friendship that I had made on such a short time. And just like when am I going to live in hot and just? have absolutely no technology, and my my dad like on another island with my brother and Glenn. Ya'll out like it's just. It was crazy. It was crazy experience and I. I learned a lot outside of the game. As well just kind of how you know when all different worlds collide in how you interact with different people, different cultures who have different beliefs. It sounds like obviously not gonna put that on the show, but it's something that I really learned. While being there, just how a very very diverse group of individuals hang out and become so close well, said Hannah Air. Yeah, I, agree with that. That was one of the most fun experiences. or I will I will truly never forget it and I made some incredible friendships and I'm very very very grateful that. You guys talk about it. I'll be honest with you I. Do not watch this season. I stopped watching endurance after season, and and when you came on on the thing that joke ptsd or something. I had to stop watching the season's after we did ours because it was too much like it really asked are part of it, and now fifteen years later I can laugh about it, and I go back and watch the seasons but I didn't WanNa Watch before we met with dies because I wanted to hear about people who did that same. We're paying fifteen years ago. Here on your take on. It is without feeing. League is were making my own opinions in that meeting the people that I thought. You on the show, but it is so cool to. Just there's other people in the world that nugent distinction beefing Stay in touch. Yeah. I'm so great, thankful, yeah! Leslie even goes to my thanks for having to. Redo? He'd Nawab me. Hand on actually rented a will at the airport the other day. In Washington why. I'm smiling I'm like what is happening. Is! Visited he was like I forgot what he was doing with some group at his college, but they came to Ann, Arbor University of Michigan so I spent a weekend with him. When we were in college together, which was so. Like enduro reasonably. Crazy. I sang in brother's wedding. Yeah likewise. I, saying in one of our contestants, brothers weddings to. Random. Spill read them. Anyway, you guys for having done. These. On. Coming back after all these years coming back to that concept of Karma is speaking of Karma and. Save. Our you guys. Great, how are you I'm jared I'm good seen although I've seen lily obviously but I haven't seen the guys for a long time. Monroe! You're still huge. I've been. I've been working out of in trying to. You. Know things safer in quarantine. Home Gym in the basement, so. We're doing all we can I like it I like it. Every every time I feel like we did like a production call. Monroe was like working out like he's like I. Can Get. On the TREADMILL. Like when you'd like always in the elegant. Tony where you are Jaydee Nason bright and they're. No complaints right on. Are you in quarantining in Los Angeles with your family day. We are quarantining. We have a place up. Santa Barbara and we've been up here with with both my boys since March seventeenth. Twins in nature lots of space. My kids aren't tempted to see their friends because up here. They have none. We're isolated. You know we're just got done playing basketball with. And we're hanging out. We swam today in the pulls. It could be a lot worse. It could be a lot worse. It's tragic. What's going on out there in the world in? Trying to do my part to come up with some programming around things like that. Give people hope right now because it's strange times. This was such a pleasant surprise to see. Because I remember watching Endurance Fiji being I'm going to try out for endurance seven whenever that happens in. I'm so happy that is that any form of something like this is back. It's a big piece of my life. You know is trying to help. People transform and especially younger people. Understand their potential and the capabilities of what they have inside of them and to dig deep and know that in the end like no one's coming to save you but you. Have to start building those character, those qualities integrity truth, all civility empathy. Start building all these things that you're going to need almost like a well that you can go to a lot of times you know parents have turned out to be, and it's from a loving place, but they've turned out to be such great snowplows, just power out every problem in the way of every kid, but the greatest lessons I learned in my life anyway. We're ones that learn it out of the way ones that I ran right into had to figure. What am I going to do here? Sometimes doing the right thing is the hardest thing you know what I mean and learning those things and falling down and getting up is a very valuable asset to a kid and I think parentally speaking parents have stopped doing that. I feel like we're like on the island or in the cold or Somebody Grandma. Moment right now. I can't stop and even richelle. Michelle would call on Karma. She Calls Me Jay Dad. Wha What are we doing today? Of course my kid's just roll their eyes. When I add add to them, I sound like a fortune cookie. I'm like you know. Pick on his knowledge, right? In the fridge dude. Can. Like when did you originally come up with the endurance idea? Because obviously I know you had Moolah Beach I right? And then it was endurance. And then you know. After. I mean there's been a lot of shows over the course of the last twenty plus years, and all of which I've loved doing and love, being a part of and I'm even the story of how Karma came together. It's so unique. It's so interesting because endurance had been off the air for eleven years. So it wasn't like there was anyone else doing a show like that. No one else had even attempted to do a show like that in that teen arena wins. It was kind of lost piece of television every ten years right? It's a whole. New Generation of kids. And so their awareness of endurance is completely gone. You know in for a category of kids. Endurance was everything for them so. I thought it was important to be able to act to that next generation of kids to, and it really came a Karma anyway came out of my oldest son was graduating highschool, and my wife made me promise when he when my boys were born that we'd never go on a trip alone because she couldn't stand if she lost both of us at the same time and has an irrational. She knew that was I honored it. Because I love her and the day my my son. Cooper turned eighteen. I was like okay well. We got an eighteen. We're going on a trip, so I said dude anywhere. You aren't billed a world. Where do you WANNA go? And we looked at the map, and he looked at all from London to Dubai to islands to all sorts of different places, and in the end he settled on Thailand. And crazy enough like we were going on a vacation together, we weren't going to create content. You know what I mean we were just going to kind of. Place experience it cake it all in Soak. It all in and when we got there. We kept noticing the same thing over and over again which is. The whole Buddhist philosophy of being happy where you are, and you get what you give life and the circular quality of the Buddhist flag, because what goes around comes around and all the people that you talk to such beauty and simplicity in their life, and we just kept talking about it over and over again Kupuna about like Karma. What does it mean because it's a belief system? You know what I mean. It's not like something you can grab a hold up. You know it's it's a it's a belief, and it's bigger that the word Karma is bigger than a title of a show. It's a belief system for a group of people for a long thousands of years right? I mean it's a concept so I just kept writing Karma down, and he kept saying dad. Why down while you're on the down on my I don't know man I think there's something there and so together on this trip. We created the show. that. I remember when I came to visit when I la came to visit you and todd at your office. And I remember I told Said Hey. You know jd like I I. WanNa host. If you ever bring endurance back I want to host it and you told me I would have to fight your son. Cooper for that job right. Obviously were didn't opposing at the. Did he work on the show? If you kind of help in fire, you kind of interesting because. I don't think it's that he didn't want to host it. I think it was. A question of finding the right person for the right show I think. Michelle definitely is incredible. She's an incredible piece of talent, but really lucky to have her. But. Yeah, he he wanted to write the show like rice. All the host copies like that. I spent every season of endurance with you I was onset I had a walkie-talkie. I ate lunch with everyone. I watched you to your. Nobody knows your voice better and how you want. Express these concepts better than me. I'm like dude. You're eighteen nobody. Nobody's going to let you work on a network show and eighteen. Is Not going to happen. He had just gotten into basically, every film school in the country got into nyu film. GET INTO USC film scholars. owned. Yeah Regulation. Thanks, yeah, way more talented than I am. I can tell you that. And so he chose USC films going like I can do this. They're never going to let that happen, so he went away and. wrote the first script on. And and came back and it was really good news. Right is exactly how I would set it. It's exactly what how I would have put it and. I submitted the script to the network and just said Hey. Writer. Luckily the executive at the network. I've known for a very long time. She knows cooper she saw. This is pretty good. I said Yeah. It's Cooper erode. She's like all right well. You have to have them do it and. I will say that he did write the whole season and I will say that it was like the greatest father's Day gift. You could ever get. Only. For Thirty Days Sixteen hour days because there's writing shooting. prepping for the next day and we live together and it was the month before he went to college, so we finished shooting on a I think. We drove home on Sunday and that Tuesday we moved him in college. So it's such a great, if and was there and witnessed the whole thing of course, people like Lily and all the department heads immediately when the executive producers, son is onset as a writer. They're all like. Come on. Excited because I remembered him because he your both your kids. Came to visit injured zero sat. There were like four and five. They were little Yup. Of course cooper was a huge endurance fan. He received a million times and like he's. Just geeked out over every season. That kid. Very town that was cool because he had earned the respect with people already kinda looking at 'em sideways like Hey, man how you got here and he did. He went from department to Department and he did the work, and he was available and he made himself. Known you know what I mean. He put himself in harm's way a lot to gain the respective, but as a dad, no greater gift, you know what I mean having that creative moments every minute of every day together talking through what are we gonNA do? How are we going to do it? And then you know I'm old I'd fall asleep like eleven o'clock at night, and he'd still be writing and their man I wake up in the morning there a script ready to go, and it was such a great collaboration. And I will say that you know from a television standpoint is like I television really gave me a gift you with creating the show together and then being able to work on it together as well I would say J. D. Karma for all the good you put into TV. And then you're on from that. You'd like what you've done for us. We've you know we've talked to a few of the other former contestants today and it just we were just so black for having this opportunity, and it's still raining down on now that you're bringing Karma Karma back and then people are talking about endurance again. I know it's really cool. Awesome I'm really touched a lot of the masters I've gotten the things. People say how important endurance was in their life and I do have a lot of the kids from endurance you'll will stop in l. a. and text me or call me and say hey. I'm in La. Can I see? I see. All My and it brings me right back to that moment and I. Think I didn't really even understand or acknowledge that some kids were in very vulnerable situations in their life, and at this moment in time grounded them. It gave them new perspective. It gave them friends that they might have not. Had it took them away sometimes abusive situations and gave him. Him that space to be able to try to understand what was happening and I think I didn't always acknowledged that that was going on I. Obviously acknowledged going on collectively with all the kids together, but I didn't realize how impactful some of the moments and some of the things I, said to kids both on camera off camera as you guys well know. That it was meaningful and so for me in my fifties. Now you know when I started endurance. I was in my early. Thirties. It's so I guess rewarding to think that I had some impact on on people's lives. Apple Luther. Guys. I know we have Michelle is wanting to jump in Ko and if you do. This is kind of a passing the torch moment. Hi It'd be. It was the easiest torch to pass ever because of the quality of individual that that Michelle is forget about the talent, which is obvious. Forget about all of the obvious things about her. I looked across the table. Obviously, there are a lot of people who tried out for this job and wanted it, and I had to trust something. That's very very like my heart. And and I had to look across from her from a table. I'm I'm hoping she remembers a moment, said like this is like giving you one of my children. And I got to know that we're going to have that ability to talk back and forth and work together, and and it was like a very special moment for me that I remember and set the tone. I think for the whole season of the show. I remember that moment. I will never forget that moment and I have the moment immediately actor in my car crying on Camera Oh. He's GonNa save that. A pretty special thing. It's something I've also been a lot about as we're working on my behind the scenes video for car, much and it. It covers this whole story so I've already been in my heels about. Me With the torch. There's worked with a lot of host. It's very hard when you consider yourself like having that that hosting muscle to flex your whole life, you've been flexing and you think like you're the best, and then you have to pass those reins over to someone else I can say other than a guy named Mike, Richards, who hosted a show, called beauty, and the Geek from me, and I had the utmost respect for him. There is no one else that compares. To Michelle's ability to stack knowledge each day instead of relearn it. To something, and now she would make it better, but then the next day. She's like okay. What else what else can I do and so I could keep stacking and from a tone perspective. Fan So she already had that feel and that idea of being in that location so came very naturally. Well, thank you. Such a pleasure to meet all of you guys also of course with Jay, Dad. So. What was it like for you? I'm having been an endurance found like. How did you hear about this casting? Call and lake? What what what goes through your mind? Endurance all my gosh getting the email. Let me tell you so i. don't remember exactly where it was, but I remember second. I got the email and you know as. A performer analogy, you get these sort of casting things all the time and my eyes went immediately to jd raw in immediately to endurance, and I barely screamed Garrett was there with me by fiance, and he's like what's going like I am additioning. For the new endurance. and. It was so much fun. I mean even getting to do the tape I was like. Who knows if all ever hear back from this tape or what will happen, but I definitely rewatch a ton of the episodes beforehand growing up I was a huge fan of the show, but never in the white, the right age range to be a contestant on it, and so getting to even audition to be the host of JD rots new big project was such an honor. Especially because I always begged my mom mom. Can I please audition to be on Durrance? But I was never never in that right age. Range some very jealous of all of you guys got. Warren Ninety, to know about Karma I mean what is. The I've seen the trailer. Look really intent by loves. You've got the track in their hanging over water, and it looks really really cool I mean no. You know what it's like to hang over water. I'd never heard. Before I love those gallons of now I mean I know how you know of mean to the kids, and how what that feels like I seen. All of those types of challenge in the trailer got me Super Spike about Karma, but I still don't know anything about it. And you guys share Michelle. What do you WanNa? Shovel okay. Okay, sure sure sure. Is this a J. D. moment or Ship. Okay great so Karma is definitely going to hit. A lot of those nostalgia fills for all the endurance for sure. It is J. D.. Roth enterprise at its heart. But I think you know without sharing too much about what it is. It's about a group of teenagers who are the first time in their lives are separated from their phones from their families from their friends, and they're faced with the elements, physical and mental challenges and competing or fifty thousand dollars and. One It's very exciting. I? mean. What was interesting was when you guys were on the show. Phones were very new. Right so it wasn't ubiquitous, wasn't every kid had posted videos from their backseat of their car. It wasn't like outside their school. They posted another video. They shot a friend. Do you think they're able to watch kids from all over the world she'd be. It was a very new so now you flash forward. You know fifteen years later. Phones are ubiquitous, keeping yourself as ubiquitous being on camera, and the comfortable nature of posting those things completely different so the reality. Is that being around these kids? who were you know you guys weren't used to be an on camera? These kids are on camera ten times a day. They talk to their grandparents that way. Right their face, timing their friends when they study at home, their facetime ing a friend who has four doors down the street, so you're used to seeing that, so it created in my mind from producing standpoint at created in tire new. Sensitivity to how comfortable, almost too comfortable they were around cameras, and I needed to make an adjustment that I didn't expect I needed to make not knowing going off of that day. D. I. Speaking of how comfortable we are with cameras with phones and stuff. Social media is such a big part of our lives now and social media like we. We've talked and we were talking to former contestants like we're so lucky. We were on TV when social media was. Was the way it is today. Have you talk to the kids about you know what to expect? When it comes to social media, and what know the negative effects of social media might be yeah, I. Mean You know all these kids are on social media? They have it. They're aware of it. They look at other people have their own trying to build their own social media, and you know like I mean I have kids who are on social media. It's hard because whatever they put on there. It's there forever. And so you know, and as teenagers we used to be able to experiment privately used to be able to make mistakes privately. You know you insult. Someone data girl. Whatever it was we to do this stuff privately and recover from it quicker now. You're doing things so much more publicly, and so you're making these mistakes in a public way and what I think society has taught us in the last couple years. Is You make a mistake? Potentially you could be this rated earth. You know what I mean. There's no room for comebacks. There's no room for redemption. There's no room for apology tours anymore, and so it has complicated what we do. In an intense way. I think something that was really amazing about this group of kids who are very attuned to social media in filming themselves as that one of the components of the show is that they're given walk cameras because you can't film kids twenty, four seven, so captured a lot of really cool stuff that happens after the main cameras are off after all the adults are gone, and because they're already so comfortable, sharing to a camera rather than a human. I think some of the really great moments of the show. Come from that. That was like that honest quality. And because they are so comfortable around cameras. Nothing changes when they're when they're shooting themselves. It's of just being them. which which was interesting, I, honestly, the most interesting part to me was. They didn't really know what Karma was. Michelle I mean right. They really. They think they know what it is. Oh yeah, Karma because you hear your parents say. Not Have Karma you know, but they don't really understand what it was. Would you agree I definitely agree I think that manifested for them in a more tangible way from like a spiritual saying into really the way I treat others is affecting my performance in this game. It's affecting whether I'm liked or not. It's affecting. How far if I'm eliminated tonight and I think that's a really cool element that builds off the structure of indirect. The format of the competition that will hold people accountable if they treat someone. Positively or negatively of an element of the the game. Definitely and I also feel like inline new life works right. You put energy good energy out usually get good energy back. So yeah, I think that. Sometimes Karma's working against you and people don't want around, and then it turns out. There's a higher power that does. Maybe that's because you did something good. You know like an in my in my brain there only two emotions on planet earth, and it's love and fear. That's it. Everything works off of that so. Right now the whole world sincere of every. And Fear Causes Anger Fear Causes Anxiety Causes People to act out causes people to do things. Maybe they they shouldn't do. But if you replace all of that with just. Love. Good things usually happen because love has compassion empathy. It's inclusive. It's has a diversity in inside a love love love. It doesn't mean love. Only a certain person loves love everybody. And so there's such beauty and simplicity in something like that, and I think these lessons that Mitch Michelle and I are trying to teach our through the concept of Karma, but really it's through a wider lens which is try to get rid of fear in your life. Nothing good comes from it and try to act out a love definitely. And I was impressed as a story producer with the kids. They really entered this game with open minds and I feel like. They took a lot away from it. And you can kind of you'll see as you watch episodes that. You see them grow and develop as people and. Their minds get changed on certain things and stuff so I was very impressed with them, and really the League hearts was an absolute rock star, and it's not because she was like. Oh, she did endurance before. She. She knows how to seek a story out. She knows how to poke at it. She knows how to like. Move all other stuff out of the way of the story to get to what the core story is. Credible work ethic both in the field and in post post when you're trying to make a story, it's super complicated because it's very easy to fall in love with all your story lines, you have to really hone in on specific ones and that, and that was very hard shed really hard to. Do. And she. Yeah she was incredible. I would I would put her as as a story producer in any show that I knew. It was easy felt easy for me because. Endurance I was so young when I watched endurance, and fell in love, and with endurance, and played endurance that my brain was still forming like endurances, literally heart of me, like in grew with my brain, and and and I feel like part of my identity. I love when you feel like. You still liked the color yellow. Yeah. After I left endurance. It was hard for me to put on other callers I. was like this Skills Weird? And I only I only got green thing for about ten years after I was done with. People only gave me. About it I love green by guy. I, never thought of it like that lily that like we literally like? We grew with the show, being a part of it at such a important part of our developmental like. Question for Michelle which I never get to Aspen I thought as. You grow up like. Watching a show! And then all of a sudden you are the show. And I. Have to feel and was there a moment when cameras were rolling? You're out there. You're like you had an outer body. Experience at some point was -solutely I mean obviously. Ton of nerves beforehand dislike. I can't all a ton of imposter syndrome actually like I can't believe that I have made it here. Jd offered this to me I. Better Kick US and the second. was offered this position. I immediately went down every endurance season. Ever watching taking notes I have a notebook. It's not here with me. Full of notes, even just like lines like jd says good game after this moment here. and Jd points out this emotional moment here, but not there. And how does he do this, so? I was just like full on research. But the moment it became holy cow for me was recording the show's intro and we're up there on this mountain. It takes an hour to get up there on the back of some ATV, and you're seeing that new one that I am very familiar with from the opening of Endurance High, Sierras and I'm like Oh my God. I'm standing on the mountain that I saw my hosting idol stand on. Fifteen years ago and businesses me. How like huge imposter syndrome, but also just in amends, appreciation for the art form of hosting and in a true love for the show, and what it does not just for the contestants, but what I'm most excited about what it can do for all of the families and the kids who watch and You know elevating their stories quickly became my goal far far more than like. How can I be the best host? But how can I the best host in elevate their stories? That's so interesting because Michelle know has built in insane audience. That's so responsive and she knows her her brand, and who she is, and she lives by it right, and it's so authentic, and it's all to camera. So when you think about it, she talks directly at her audience. And on endurance talk directly to the kids. You're not aware you're not supposed to be aware that the cameras are even around. I was wondering what kind of adjustment that would be because when you're used to the barrel of the cameras, your audience. Right. You're looking at you I'm talking to you, but now you can't do that anymore. You know what that adjustment was going to be like of course. Was Ridiculous. Even think about because like six seconds into it. She was a complete natural. My Gosh Oh my gosh. It was definitely a learning her and. I mean there really was challenged commentary. Let me tell you guys. Not, as one of the most difficult parts of it, being able to identify the participants, not just from their face, but from the back of their head and the side win. There are other people jumping in front of them in as JD has said to me, being able to see the game in slow motion was really difficult at first than honestly just take so many repetitions, but I'm glad that I got that practice in jd did a phenomenal angrily phenomenal job editing around. Many of my mistakes of thank you for. Like butter. Butter it was so easy and I think when you're authentic. You really know who you are. You really put yourself in an honest situation, and when you were upset with what the kids were doing. You told them when you were happy. You told them and having those honest conversations. I mean the people that I'm looking at right now. Have all been in those morning conversations. Some of them were tough. Some of them were tough love. Some of them were parental. Some of them were friendly. You know and knowing how to give and take and push and pull is what? Gives, the kids, the opportunity to have fun and also learn so that this many years later. It's still impactful that to me is like. Yes, the shows get nominated for awards and more seasons. Mean more work, and it's exciting. The best part is that there has been takeaway for so many people that's been impactful in their life moving forward and to hear that there is no greater reward for me to know that there was a moment, even if it was just one, there was a moment that help change somebody's life. Actually. Endurance definitely changed my life so. Everybody's lives in this little, you know where? The Brady Bunch right now. There was a way for people to still watch endurance because I it. It really did change. So much for me growing up I was I was in. Generation of kids who are outside the age of of endurance, but it kind of grew with my brain as well at it was, it was really great to see so return back after all these years. With with newfound perspective and something that this generation gets to experience I'm so excited. For them and speaking of story I know endurance. Those were thirty minute episodes, so we usually got about. Nine thousand nine hundred twenty one minutes of of story. How did that change for Karmic? I know there's less episodes for Karma than there is for a typical endurance these with endurance. We just took a typical hour episode and divided it into two half hours, so there wasn't on every episode. It was actually every other episode. To episode, so like odd episodes were non temple. Even episodes were temple, so if you put two of them together, you basically had an hour episodes. Our episode would be forty two minutes or so really I think some of these episodes are in the low forty. Some even went as high as fifty minutes right. Yeah, that's right. Closer in the beginning, it was harder to cut it down. Just because there's so many more contestant. Storylines going on, but but yeah. Typically there'd be between forty and fifty minutes for one episode. Speaking of the contestants on just seeing the Promo, it looks like such an amazing diverse group of kids. so much more diverse than I feel I mean. We had diversity I felt like on endurance, but there's something about these kids that one amazing 'cause they actually looked like caves and I loved that they don't look like you know like preteen Dwi adults they look like kids, but also they're just such a wide range of of work of what seems like religion of You know sexuality like what was it like kind of you know diving into those like finding these kids in today's kind of world. Well first of all everybody has a story. I'm the guy that's. The Red Light looks the car next to me I'm like I wondering what that Guy Story? You know what I mean so I think breaking down stereotypes of what people think I mean. Monroe Talwar you and we did this year over six feet when we did the show. I think. And I will really did appreciate Washington belt back on endurance because I think that it could of It could've been a really damaging experience, but the show was really delicate with my story to whoever the lily was in that equation. I can't remember who the people were, and I remember. One on, I don't I don't know the me by. Those people because you were chosen though for a very specific reason because. A thought that the stories powerful and people were not comfortable back then in their sexuality as they are now. And and be. You were the largest kid there, so don't think that it was an accident that we put you in that position because it makes people think twice before they might say or do something because of your size. And yet the story still out there also I had never met anyone that age more comfortable in their own skin of who they were, and more proud to be in their own skin, and for me again that goes against tight, usually at that age, people are suffering inside. They want they don't want to go against public norms and social norms, and you weren't afraid of that you were you and that was beautiful, and so when we looked at now fifteen years later. Whatever that is, we're looking for kids and also go against type you know. We saw a very shy girl in a job. You know whose father told her that. Girls aren't supposed to do stuff like this and she agreed. She thought. It's kind of true and yet. In the end. We knew there was a fire inside her in. We could unleash that right then. Who knows what the potential is? I think that looking for potential in kids and betting on them always has paid off for me. It's it's when you don't believe in them right and you're not sure what they're going to do that. You're in trouble Ami Michelle you had a lot of close experiences with the kids you could probably speak to how different and diverse to. Definitely I mean as you mentioned. These kids come from. A wide variety of Mississippi's sexualities socio economic backgrounds, political beliefs and I believe jd mentioned this to me once that HBO wanted the casting to be messy. And I love that because what we saw was someone who is a person of color in my here because I'm special or am I, hear Philip, diversity quota, and every single. One of those kids was there because they were awesome and special. An had an incredible story to tell and what I think is so important. Is that especially with everything going on in the world currently and the importance of diversity, really becoming clear to a lot of people. This show doesn't talk about diversity. It does it and we did. Almost a year ago I, listen to you. I saw I. Don't know if you send it to me. Michelle or maybe I just saw on twitter. A girl took the Promo. Just regular person took the promo she wrote. Every other show and television should watch this promo because this is what diversity looks like I. Never Thought Anyone would even look at the Promo that way, but for a second I was like. Yeah. It's true, but we never went into it to make sure we had someone. Someone from this category in that category. We did it to make it look like what the world looks like. So I don't want you to think it was like this conscious thing is like Michelle says it was a year ago and I don't think this same sensitivity. was there a year ago, but she's right. The network said they wanted a messy and Messi is life. Life is messy. That's I think that's just a great way to put. That so reassuring that the network for that and that network are asking for those casting decisions be made now and and TV, and in reality television especially geared toward kids, because I think it's important to see representation and I know you know even watching Monroe after my season just seeing like. Oh, my gosh like this is a kid who's just fully skin and JD. What you said is exactly how I felt about watching Monroe is like Oh, I can be myself, 'cause. He's seeing himself It's just if I had talked to. Both of you guys 'cause. It's so exciting for us to kind of revisit endurance through Karma and Michelle. I'm so excited to see a female adventure host. Doing the. Only. Of Color like this is amazing and I can't wait to. See Your career. Launch after this because I. Just I think you're awesome and it's Thank you great run day here. We'll see her like. As this female adventure, host of color I see her great like she's just. And, it's just an awesome to watch her. Do her thing and you know I'm sure second season. I'll probably just sit back and watch the big smile on my face because there's not much left for me to now. In my ear, he's. Any final thought as very. Eight schools mushroom. Yeah! Yeah, you know. Karma. I Love Literature. And I love you know word. Way Things. and. I spent so much time words with Cooper back and forth. Karma trying to come up with words, and I was like well. Wait a minute. See kind of sounds McCain. Over and over and over, and all of a sudden came to cave, Karma and. A Cool is really cool. Emerging Taylor I can be a little clip of a couple of people in the cable Karma and What that is. Pretty intense. Yeah, it is, it's very intense, and it has all the great ingredients of a final round of these shows, and I've never felt comfortable with kids. Voting other kids out of always felt that the game should have a little skill a little chance. That kind of feeling up there. And I think this one, this one does that, but as far as a little tidbit of Karma I think. You know kids. Kids are kids, and so there are moments when the kids go off the rails and and Michele does a very good job. Kinda of Swat them back. Out! It's all learning. They're learning in real time and she was. She was a great administrator of keeping them in the zone of where they needed to be. I think she was. She was really good at that. One scene in particular you just really took the reins Michelle and. Trotha scene and it. It's very powerful. I think there was one. Got So upset. She walked out. No you told me I. Know you did no I didn't. Get if you want to. have. What do you? Like that the three things show-business always tells you to not have in a show. Our animals kids in the outdoors. This show has to. That that makes it a challenge. The great team. Yeah and Michele being sort of from that adventure world. As used to being outdoors, but it's grind. It's hot, and then it's cold and it's dirty and you're away from home and as long hours, and the kids are going through emotional, heavy emotional things in their tears, and there's anger, and there's laughter, and there's love, and you just go through so much in a short period of time I mean you guys are still talking about a fifteen years later, a very intense emotional. Time and it sticks with you. You gotta give them anything other than plywood on I got to know what. was being there. Because, we see them in the trailer. Look Beautiful, but I'm wondering what the. That's pretty much exactly what you slept. We're in a pretty started I saw them walk into the Hudson's like. This is bringing in bed Mary. You gotTA. Sauce to. Hand out over, platter. Course not of course, I know and I felt so guilty because I had a trailer which I didn't even know I was going to. His cabin with a beautiful view I felt. Very not but. You're going to win fifty thousand dollars. No guilty wherever. Dollars and a lot of money. Really Call Really, really cool prize. A Monroe I know you said you really wanted to ask. The question amounts conversation. You had on your season and then I know we should probably let them go I, don't. Appreciate. Stuck in temple that we have been to. We were down our library and I were and you gave them a pep. Talk I think after the temple before we have returned to camp, you send something to the effect of like you know manure and be like even if you have to come back up here, there is a strategy to this temple of a game like I play rock paper scissors, my wife all the time, and I always win because I have this strategy, but you did not reveal to us. What the strategy, so we thought about it a lot and Even to visit day when I happened. You rock paper for random things like at work or whatever? WAS JD is. He was threatened by DOT now. was that hokey poke. You have traveled. So. Obviously. There's a strategy to rock paper scissors. Otherwise there wouldn't be tournaments all over the world, right? People do believe that there's a strategy that men usually typically pick the same thing at more higher percentage, and that women do as well On, and that men always pick rock, and and and women always pick paper, and so you can look it up. It's been tested I'll miss when you have teams of to a man in in each team so making who's making the decision I will say this. That in life, saying things with. A. Convincing people. How sure you are of something. And how positive that you are you're going to win is the strategy. Okay so that. That that ability to walk in and know that you've got it that that that sort of Michael Jordan rules where he's got you beat before you even lace up your sneakers. Right that is the mentality for me in everything that I do in life, and it's not always about actually knowing a specific strategy. Think's going to win. It's about convincing someone else that you do have it? ME. Well, thank you guys again so much. Erin Lily Munro, any final word before we let Michelle and Daddy Go. Thank you I literally my career to you. and. Watching so many of Of of your show some some season. Stick with me to this day. Hawaii. Season six or the biggest loser I know. That's a D- Paul does I was such a good story. I just I just loved the stories of each of of the show in the lessons that I got to learn along the way in the different pieces that were introduced in the teams and the Yeah I'm just so thankful for endurance and for Carmen for this whole journey that we've all gotten to go on over the past. Few decades. Career to people like you hear that I can put my faith and my trust, and my hopes, my fears, and all of those things into so when you Michelle carries out like this. Baby of mine and such a great job, and Lilly she brings her best work to make the show the best. It could be an monroe and Keaton who compete on the show. Bring it every day right and tell their stories so that other kids can feel comfortable in their own skin like all of that is the reason so again I go back to let's have less fear in the world and more love, re more people in than. Push them away. For President you guys. Own. It's so funny. We were like saying data felt like our older brother nearly. Gay Dad now. Gray hair comes in when you can't be. And Michelle I hope to see you. Guys are very soon on Karma. And and anytime you guys need keyed in Monroe. Airing feel free to call and we'll come running. Oh, well, thank you so much. Jaidee Monroe. You had a question for Michelle. If I was on a whole thing I would feel like a bit of a complex rooting for the team, but I know I would end up. Picking team is likely to were and root for them, and so the whole. You definitely can't do that and certainly can't show it. was that tough being. An observer Y-. You know an unbiased. Man Right out the gate these tough questions. Of course you know like being human, you observe, and you think Oh man. This kid is being so much meaner than they need to be or you know. I really connect with this person, but my job as a host is to get the truth out of everyone there and to be that audience's perspective personally I was a bit are more concerned with 'em hosting well enough especially following in the footsteps of ICON JD RAW. More than I was worried about. Who was my favorite team or anything, but I do follow all of them on instagram and we DM often. Ryan. Michelle I to go deeper into the question like regarding social media. Obviously, you're somebody who you're very big with your youtube channel, and like trolls or just a part of life. unfortunately when you put yourself out in this way, have the kids kind? Have you talked to the kids personally about kind of what it is like dealing with? Negatively even though they didn't act or it. kind of being on this platform, I have not had an explicit conversation with the kids about anticipating identity because I really similar to Karma WanNa put out good advice. I want them to feel loved and welcomed into this community and beginning that conversation with there might be people who hate you or your decisions I don't think is. The most productive way to go about it as someone who experiences that daily. So I want them to just feel excited in welcomed and somebody who? Has! Done Youtube and whatnot. I heard from somebody else. That is in my community that when I'm reading comments. If you read to that, bother you. Stop reading altogether. Because at some point, the comments are productive and I want all of the contestants to know that they can reach out to me, which is why we follow each other and communicate with them all the time. They can reach out to me if there ever concerned with any of that because there is a way to go about it, there's also way to just ignore it. Yeah. Great? Great. Anybody Else Brady welcome. Question! I do because the thing is I remember so many my experiences on endurance vividly like like Erica said she didn't remember a lot of this stuff but I even though it's been so long ago I hold so many of the memories near and dear to my heart. The memory of my birthday, notwithstanding I still have the cards that the girls made for me, it was incredible and one of the still to this day. One of the nicest things anybody outside of my family has ever done for me. I'll never forget when I. When we first met J. D. whenever I would watch TV I'd always say the same thing whenever he was on the screen. I'd say Jay Frickin. Always last and. Other than the goatee. The man has an age today, but he he. He said never forget he said. When is the last time any of you have ever stop to watch a caterpillar crawling on a leaf? Yes, that's right. I thought about that. I really did, and it is still to this day. Why whenever I see a caterpillar crawling on a leaf, I stop and watch. Now. It's just. It's just the show really made me think about. Simple, things and I would you guys said about how we were so lucky in so many ways to to grow up on the advent of the Social Media Age, I always say this. Back in my day, people would talk about cyber bully, right and the Common Response Back in the twenty arch was like that's a thing now we know not only. Is that a thing? It's terrible. It's awful and to be able to get away from that. Is a blessing in so many ways and to pull these kids away from that when so many times there's so ingrained in it. It's it's it's more a part of them, and it will ever be for us my God. I imagine that must have been so hard. How do you pull them away from that to get them to focus on getting to focus on a caterpillar crawling on a leaf for example? Wow. Everything! Every single thing I say purpose so be noted everything every single thing I say bleeds into each other. So please I. Need to ask you that you take a bunch of teenagers. You grow up in a girled where. They live by their cell phone and by social media, and you very suddenly. Take it all away. And I think you'll see in the first couple of episodes. How some of these kids completely not necessarily blatantly because of the phone being taken away, they completely unravel and they're like who am I? What am I doing? Who am I without being able to edit my photos or face tune or think really critically about what I'm going to save before I commented. Because I'm in a face to face interaction with somebody. But also. Something I think that is really beautiful about this group of Kansas woke. They are because of social media. So attuned to social issues. I'm thinking of one participant in particular Presley. Who will blow all of you away? Speaks Japanese, teaches Japanese on a youtube channel will. Also speak more eloquently about LGBT issues in America than most adults I now, and I think that that is a benefit of social media that really gave them grounds to be knowledgeable about each other and each other's Akrons even just a little bit. Before seeing these people in person, but yes, I mean. When win the phones go away? The drama erupts. Author Mad. Remember JD being pretty. Strict about. The weekends were not filming. What are the kids going to do on the weekend? Are they going to go to have an adventure? And he was like no. These kids are always. On their phones at home. They need the opportunity to be bored because I remember him telling them. that. J Jd's best ideas. Came from being bored and so these kids he drinks as they would, they would go and throw sticks they would. Catch grasshoppers and eat grasshoppers in like do things that they never would probably be doing at home. Because why would they do that? And so. I, feel like they had a really really fun time overall. Gains. Raymond Fernandes. Michelle. How did you work? How did you really work together? And how did you work with the other story? Producers as the host and kind of you're basically kind of the I feel like the one pulling the story out of the children, and they're the one kind of documenting helping you navigate what to say. How? How was that relationship? Oh I love Lily. First of all I think Lilly and I already had a connection because I was like. Oh my God I. Watch you on Endurance I was of her probably more than she was a me. how? I remember over over crew lunch. We talk often about what's going on with the kids and I would veraciously just sit in MC. Are is a place where all the producers didn't watch all the cameras and just watch all of the kids for hours and really try to absorb as much as I can, but I still don't see everything as much as Willie does so I mean really convey to me a lot of. This campfire this this this or this might be a good question to ask the story. Producers are everything I mean milly worked tirelessly on the show and just. As JD alluded to earlier. Not. Just making sure that the kids were where they needed to be when they needed to be, but also like barechested, taking notes on every single piece of information that was being delivered, and how that could affect beings later down the line and Youtube until like you you. You would watch footage from the master control. Room and Be Able to take from that knowledge Oh some conversation. Maybe you saw and. Be Able to get a good question in. A later meeting. So I don't know the kids. Sometimes, you have to pull stuff out of them. You know their kids say they don't cry, but if you can if you see some emotion in them. Dig a little deeper. You know why? Why are you feeling that way? And then if you can get them to talk about it, maybe they will be more emotional an older with you and I think that having producers that are willing to be vulnerable with them back. And Michelle like. When you were touched by. Upset with what they were with how they were acting. I could see that new, and they could see that in you and they didn't want to disappoint you either because they really looked up to you and listen to you for advice, so and I think that having people on the crew who truly care. About these kids in the experience that they're getting, makes it that much better for them, and makes them Wanna be that much better. Periods. And as a host something I grew in this position to admire so much about jd is specifically with with kids reality you are in this really unique position as not just a host, but you're also a mentor, but not a parent, but not a friend, but like cool at the same time. You know you're in this weird spot where? Number date. Of shows that involves adults or adult adventure shows. They don't really have to play that advice therapist almost role so I have so much worse awkward herons he Cher's. And finding that middle ground of like being the cool substitute teacher was tongue. It's really tough especially because I mean kids are. Are Brutal, they'll tell you how they deal. Young I've seen it's not in the final episode, but there are times Kids would really push me and and it was good. It was good for me to learn how to navigate them and rein them back it. Wow Michelle, I know you said you have a behind the scenes video coming 'cause so were you filming yourself Kinda throughout this whole experience like even like post casting like when you guys were shooting, did you? Keep Track of kind of what you are doing. To put on your Youtube Channel. Yes so on my youtube channel. I have a series called challenge accepted, and it's about me entering a different community, lifestyle or profession or an extended period of time, so I've done everything from training with US Marine Corps at their boot camp to training alongside NASA astronauts to training like of issue, a beauty pageant, and then entering a real beauty pageant and And all of these videos sort of documents community that I am becoming part of so behind the scenes. My team was actually also their onset behind the scenes in we made a challenge accepted episode called, either became a television show host, and it's starting from the moment that I find out that the part and goes all the way through like I I is. intercut with how it. It turned out in the show. by the relationships that I form the kids and the difficulties specifically posting it also encompasses the history of television hosting and and the different roles that play. This mentor figure so yeah, I, guess it's like a year long little mini documentary in the making your. Birthday on the so. I have a birthday on the show, and it was so perfect and I really hope that we get another show birthday this year. Michelle Wind. Can we look for that? Do you have a release date for for your challenge accepted? You became a television host Ya. Yes so my behind the scenes video will be coming out probably the week after Karma releases so next week I guess we'll depending on when you're listening to it Hopefully by the time this is out. It's out as well awesome, awesome and. Obviously you came on. Coke Karma, but is there anything else like going on? With kind of your your Youtube Channel and your podcast that you want to kind of their out right now. Yeah I mean like in subscribe come. Join the Bam I'm one hundred percent focused on Karma right now, but Yeah, we're still making content in Karma, really is my main main focus her way. Honestly I'm I'm really hoping for another season another opportunity because I think I think it's a pretty kick ass show I. Don't know if I can say that when referring to a family show, but it's pretty. Day. Aaron any final questions. So how can watch the show in order to watch Karma? Just Google Hbo Max, and it has all the instructions there on how to download. It's really simple honestly I'm not just saying that because. Our show is on. HBO, Max in Case, you're not interested at Karma has pretty much every other property on planet earth, so it's a good investment. and. Free trial for one week. Yeah, yes, so start that free trial this Thursday June. Eighteenth Binge Karma good to go. To all the episodes of dropping at the same time, so you can watch the whole thing in one sitting. That is my understanding of what is occurring. Go That well, we. Know what. I'm doing that's what I understand. Binge drop which is exciting. They changed their minds a few times, but wasn't working. TIMES, so it'll be fun to binge. It yeah, it will been jet with no commercials. Looking forward to it. Michelle thank you again for your time and just we just wish you all the luck in the world. I'm so excited. See New host of Karma I think if it's not jd, it should be you, so he definitely on the great person to pass the torch to girl grew. Well thank you all for inspiring and being people that I looked up to as a candidate on endurance. One of my favorite things about endurance and Karma, is that it shows people that kids can do what they want now and there's no reason to wait, so thank you for teaching me that and allowing me to carry that on in my hosting for this next generation. Wonderful. Hearing Wow. Here, you have it. We have talked to all six seasons. We've talked to JD and Michelle and look forward to Karma this Thursday when it drops on Hbo Max. My name is Aaron Robertson as always and. Keane Lily Munro. It has been such a pleasure. High casting with all of you. A? Treat this so and he's so much Erin yeah better. Yeah. It's been such a cool experience, obviously getting to know you guys are new level and just revisiting endurance Aaron without you. This would have never happened so very very grateful for you. And for J. D.. J. Dad I guess now. Thanks, Abuse Hey Dad. And thank you to all the people who took time all the former endurance contestants. To come and talk to us, remember. Yes this this was such. So great I really I really enjoy all of this and so. Excited if you if you've made it to the end of this podcast. WanNa ride we've been. Endured a lot of. As, far? What it takes to be the next endurance champion. Or Carmen? I should say now. Yeah. Now. Wait to binge. Karma I'm late. Now. Maybe we can all join back up and talk about Karma once we've all watched it. I would love that. Find of you. If. You have anything you. Want people to follow. You can find me on Instagram I have twitter, too, but I don't usually use it, but instagram at Marquee. Name I'm mainly post about madogre and you know. Biting pertains. Guys can find me unlinked and Monroe. Returns done me off on. My don't have any other social, not that I'm being. I don't use it by. My linked is hot and check it out for some good tax topics. A. on Instagram I kind of have a singing instagram, which is Lily twenty-seven sings lily with two wells. On my regular instagram is Tiger Lily Brown. And then Youtube Channel is lily twenty seven. So so yeah, that's three confined me. You can find me on past episodes of rob has a podcast, and also on the future up, and coming Reisen cast feed, which is coming out to all platform soon, so look out for that on instagram. My instagram is the orange double a all words and that is it for me? This has been so fun. I just feel like. Sometimes it feels like Oh, endurance such an important part of my life. The like I'm kind of alone in this, but the fact that. Everybody wanted to come on and talk about this and talk about how important it has been to them to. It's like wow. We really are a community of like hundreds of former contestants that that truly had a life changing experience through this so now. Erin. If you ever do another show thinking about this today, it would be cool if you did an individual episode team members together to just kind of talk about like just with the team members re either unite them or talk about. Together Could you find kind of other exploration with endurance I? Don't know how. People don't want to talk about endurance. Feet all the endurance and Karma fans out there so I will put this out in the universe. That of any team would like to do a whole. Side interview at some point I am. More than up for it more than up for it. And the rise and fall feed will be on. All of the platforms soon, so look for that and yeah excited for. This to come out and people to listen to it and career you. GOING TO TRY TO GET IT DOWN TO A. And so when this comes out. Congress will probably be coming out in two days, yeah. So today's all. Remodel. In Yeah. Plan when we can when you want me to come over to start it aware. Okay, Great I'M GONNA wear. It's just gonNA. It's GonNa. Be Real Man. Exciting. I it the pleasure, please keep in cuts, and Monroe keep it updated on all your survivor. ewing, please. I'm going to be watching lots of survivor working out. You guys and now lots of Karma too so. All right well On. A.

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