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Golden State Warriors Shaun Livingston

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Golden State Warriors Shaun Livingston

"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of Ford -able eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash p r. Forty eight power senior NBA writer for Bleacher report. My guest today, Shaun Livingston of the Golden State Warriors. We are talking here on a soggy Saturday afternoon in New York from the warriors team hotel won't say where exactly that is. I will tell you that we are recording from within the confines of the room of Raymond Ridder warriors PR maven PR czar. I don't know what the best highlands for Raymond. This is them the best PR guy in the NBA because he's gotten the award as best PR guy for like, I think four of the last five years Raymond giving up his room for us to record the full forty eight. I believe that is uncharted territory in the history of this podcast, shutout the Raymond thanks man, Shaun Livingston than I have this discussion here are soggy Saturday afternoon between games against the New York teams. They blew up the Knicks last night at the garden. They've got the nets coming up Sunday. You'll be listening to this probably on Monday in that game will be long. Since over. But Sean, and I talked about a little bit about Friday night's game. Just because it was a weird night and a fun night. Durant drop in twenty five in the fourth to knock out the Knicks amid cheers from Knicks fans who were hoping to get Katie next summer we touch on that a little bit DeMarcus cousins getting ojected on a single tech while in street clothes that was a little strange. We definitely talked about that. And it's interesting the the developing relationship between Shaun Livingston and DeMarcus cousins, something we'd definitely discussed because cousins trying to come back from a really tough injury in the with the achilles Shaun Livingston. Of course, that's the story of his career was coming back from one of the most devastating knee injuries. We've ever seen on an NBA court. And so Shaun gives us a little insight about how he's been advising DeMarcus cousins in this process, and what cousins might bring to this team. Not just the skill set. But just a different element to the warriors. This is the whole thing with them. Now. Right. Every year are they staying engaged. Are they going to get bored is is winning three championships in four years? Just going to kind of lead to. The c word complacency. So we talk about all that we talk about how the warriors are keeping themselves sharp. What lessons did they learn from that series against the rockets going seven back in the spring or are they still carrying a little bit of that forward with them. How do they viewed this new team? That's kind of evolving down south with the Lakers LeBron being down there. Now, the the changes, of course, in the NBA are constant the warriors. We we all view as being kind of at the top with with no rival, but things changing around them quickly. And you know, they're paying attention. They're definitely tuned into the way the league is coming for them. So Sean, I touch on all of that fun. Really fun discussion Shawn's always been one of the most awful guys around the NBA another one of those guys you just look at them. And no, this guy's a future. Coach GM of a team you could easily see that. And when we talk about that as well. Of course, his former teammate Elton brand from the clippers that era of his career Elton brand now GM in Philly. I could see. Sean following that path nut too far down the road. But in the meantime, we're talking about the worst trying to three peat and all the challenges along the way before we get to that my weekly plug, please go to issue if you get a moment review us give us a rating one-star five stars one hundred stars. I don't know how many stars you can do give us as many stars. As if feel like give us some feedback. Always appreciate it. Thank you for listening. Thank you for downloading, and we will be back with Shaun Livingston in just a moment. So stick around tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus is any offers prescription sunglasses. At incredible prices visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash PR that Z E N N, I dot com slash Biard. I'm joining you this week on Mark van three fifty five Kentucky head coach John Calipari in November. I want us to look like it's November. I don't wanna look like it's January February you get no growth. So we want to have that. So by the time we finish in March. We're playing that this what I try to do every you might. Marksman is three sixty five now at apple podcasts. And spotify. Now joined by fourteen year veteran three-time NBA champion. I would say welcome, Sean. But actually, I'm I'm endured hotel team hotel. We will we'll just call this an undisclosed location somewhere in the five boroughs, not Staten Island. Nobody stays in Staten crazy. We're on these Saturday afternoon after the warriors just trounced the Knicks Shaun Livingston, thanks for taking some time between stops in the boroughs. Yes, sir. Thanks for having me on here as per usual. We I was a little apologetic. I felt like it was like, I appreciate you taking the time out. Because now you've got your family with you here. And you're in New York for the weekend. There was so much better things to do than yapping with me on a Saturday afternoon. But like it's miserable out there. Like, I'm looking out behind you. It's it's rainy. It's windy. So this actually probably this is not the worst way to spend your afternoon, right? Yeah. I'm a hookah too. So I could talk. I could talk hoops whenever wherever it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter when you come to New York. Do you? You have like your go-to spots. Are there things that you when you have the off days where like what do you like to do here? Yeah. We you know, we come here in the summer as well. And take like a family vaca-. We don't we like New York, New York's our great city, obviously planning the year in Brooklyn here. And we got some restaurants, we go, you know, we got some Goto, you know. So we'll get you ever get to squeeze in anything in terms of shows or anything else. There's there's just not time even even on a long weekend. Here. Let's see how it to a couple of shows couple years back usually more restaurants a little shopping, you know, just a little walk. We'd like to walk around and do the whole, you know, taxi trains, and the whole nine, you know, get the full experience that'll experience as you should as you should you've been. So you've been at this a long time now as a player in terms of the travel. So I'm always curious about this. Because obviously we on the media side have to do a ton of travel to so everybody gets like, you got your go-to spots. You've got certain things that keep you safe. Being on the road on flights. Whatever like, what's your like? What's the Shaun Livingston travel like lists? Like, what are your? What are your must haves? What are the things that get you through mandatory is you gotta have some headphones. That's mandatory. You know, the ipad, you know, for the movies, definitely, especially talk about California to New York, a six hours five five and a half, you know, strong five hours. So definitely a movie this movie this, you know, listen to some music, you know, a book book or two. And that's it. I mean, you know, pretty simple for me. A guy's always in the same place on the plane you have assigned seats. Yes. Yes. For the most part from who's your section who you're like actually have my own rove, which is nice. It's been like that for maybe about three years now. So I can't complain man. I got my own row on on a team pine you prefer that. You'd like you need that little quiet time. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's nice to have your row. Like, I said, you know, I it's open seat. If you know, we do have a full full point. But. It's good to be a Tim plus your vet. No doubt you earned that row. Right. You're right, right. A lot of years on some things that row that's even better than like diamond platinum status on here. Like, all right. So what did you watch a read on the way out on this trip? You know, what on this trip? I was knocked out. I had the worst night's sleep before we took off. I had a one and a half year old. Elbow foot all in my face throughout the night. All the parents, you can understand if you bet your kids sleep in the bed. Don't do as a mistake. Don't the coast leader. That's a bad road to go. So I sleep the whole flight for sure. Nice. So you get to the books or whatever later. Do you have a book or movie on this trip that you're eventually going to get to? Yeah. Yeah. Probably the four agreements for green. I'm working on that was that about I'm working on it. It's a mix. It's a mix of. It's it's it's kind of like a mix of you know, as far as working on the elements of of your approach, you know, your approach on on life. Right. You know, I'm more of a kind of a self conscious kinda guy, you know, working on your inner self, right? And so I like those roots self self help, you know, just working on on your inner self. I like those type of type of books is there one thing that stood out? So far that you're thinking like, you know, what that's great. I'm hanging onto that one like that that piece of of wisdom. I think it's more your your approach to people, you know, like just kind of when when you're talking to people when you're done with different people. You know, just how your response, right? The patients. The patients is always the hardest part for me, you know, and and for probably everybody, right? It's kind of the time instant gratification right now. And so, you know being patient, and you know, and maybe thinking little bit before you, speak and react. I would think that those are those are all good piece of advice. Those are things that I would have never thought like that Shaun Livingston needs to know, you strike me basically, the of of your career the patients part of it is kind of built into it. Right. And and all the steadiness and everything else. Like, that's I figure that's kind of YouTube not already on sharpen the tune. Yeah. You know, sharpen. And so I guess we all need to right. So exciting night last night. This will run out Monday morning. So by that time, you'll have played in Brooklyn too. But weird weird game at at at the garden where you guys are down. I think a points Diller in the fourth and then you end up winning by twenty eight because Katie goes for twenty five in the fourth. It's not like you haven't already seen it all at this point. So like, I wouldn't even ask like where that ranks or if it surprising because I don't feel like with your team anything could happen any given night anyway. But those kind of a weird night was at a weird vibe too. Because of all the Katie frenzy and free agency and knick fans being all in they got their signs, and there's Bill Rhodes was is it do you feel that when you when you when that's going on can you can you not help but feel like the weirdness of that that kind of environment. It was a weird game. I mean, you know, just kind of like, you know, we're kind of waiting to break the game open. But at the same time, we know guys play hard, right? It's an NBA. They're holding on their playing great game hitting shots from everywhere. And it's just. Just like man, you know, would downtown the third quarter. What's going on? What's go? Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. And then we actually you know, we actually played pretty well to finish the third guys played hard. You look look at a nonsol- McKinney. And the group that was out there. Andrea diallo. Clay and some of the other guys looney, and they closed the third really well, and then Katie happen. And it's like all right. Let's go home. This is this is nuts. This crazy. You know this. This is is insane. It's insane to watch. You know when a guy that gets rolling because we all can get hot. Right. I mean, I can get hot. But my heart is like I hit to mid range shot. It was like, yeah. I'm hot guy goes off for twenty-five like feels like straight points. And it's just it's a movie it's a movie to watch. Can he just do that? Like when when it's happening. Do you? Are you looking at going like, yeah. Katie just decided to do that. Yes. He did it. He did it. I mean because he felt actually you were watching the same game that I watch. You know, he didn't score and third quarter. And then came out, and it was like, you know, what I'm going to score. Now, I'm gonna go and be aggressive and the rest is history. And this is the thing because like every year since you guys started this run. This is what we talk about right or the warriors gonna get bored. Or is like how do you get through an eighty two game season? And like that stuff's real, right? And on a night like last night, and this is no disrespect to the Knicks. But I mean, listen as I was just telling our producer Nick here. Like the Knicks. I think are a bottom four team in the NBA this year. You don't have to say that. But I believe that they are there. That's about where they are. So on a night like last night your soup. You know, it is a little surprising seeing it'd be a tight game. And we are all waiting as fans or media like going when are the warriors just going to throw the roundhouse and say, it's time to go. And it feels that way. Like is it feel that way? You guys do that. Like, again, not notice respected them or other teams. But you've got most teams outclass moats nights. So it seems like there, you can just decide, you know. All right. This is the moment. But I know it's trying to say, and it's it's more of a right. We we have the. Talent you know in this league. You know talent wins majority of the time. And that's, you know, especially, you know, you're trying to win a championship and stuff like that. We've won three of the last four you look at you know, a roster right for all stars. You know to peas guys that, you know, are are, you know, they have the credentials. We have the talent. And so it's like, you know, you can fall into the traps the traps of the NBA right taken off nights. And you know, the underdogs the teams that don't necessarily have the talent they play harder than you. And you know, and they can end up beating you on any given night. Right. The same BA. So you know, we we dealt with that a lot last year. That was the hardest part returning thirteen fifteen guys, you know, have to motivate ourselves. Right. We talked about it at the end with the whole David west, you know, and and Steve Kerr's situation. Right. So like, you know, Steve. Everybody out there. It's like, oh, he has easy job. You get the coats. Kevin Durant, Steph curry Klay Thompson. I could do that job. Sure. You could right. You have to come in and motivate us every day. And we have to look you. And I and believe exactly what you say. Right. Without getting tired of what you're saying. Right. Every teenage kid to the parents, you know, what I'm saying like seriously. And so I mean looking at it like that it's it's a tough, you know, it's a challenge. And I think this year a little roster shakeup. Yeah. Right. And then you know, guys just take a summer off coming back. Refresh maybe new roles, right? We're trying to change that narrative and just go out and play and have fun. Is there anything because Stephen talked about this? And he lived it. Right. Like, he lived with the bulls in particular. So he knows like there is there's this thing where you can get. It's not even just I feel like complacency. It's just that you know, how long the road is like, you know, you're playing for for. April May June, and you, but you still gotta get there. This caller what it is Howard complacency. All right, complacency it it is. So they're only so many chicks you can play. There's only so many games where he can hand you guys the clipboard and say you coach the game. And I'm sure he spent a lot of his off season trying to kind of figure out what to do to to make things feel different bringing in cousins, obviously is a different element. But but cousins isn't playing yet. So. What if anything has Steve Dunn or have you guys yourselves done proactively to try to say, okay, let's make this feel different. So that we don't hit the c word complacency right again. Just just taking that summer off really coming back refreshed and then looking at what's happened, right. How many teams have gone to the final four straight times one three of them? You know, like, you know, we see minute our place in history period. You know, like, I mean, you know, I think winning you know, helps it helps everybody. Right. And so, you know, taking that monkey off our back and really just you know, going out there and just playing right for whatever. Whatever happens it happens. And then understanding right? You know, this is not going to last forever. Right. I mean, it's my fourteenth year, you know. And I'm looking at it. It's like man in a year. Now could be your last. I mean, that's just how you know. That's just the approach once you start to get to a certain level. And so it's like man it's been. A hell of a ride. You know, like I want to just enjoy whatever's left. You know, guys last year and oracle, right? We want to enjoy this last year and oracle and oracle in Oakland for the fans for us the memories all all that. Right. It's so so now you start kind of reshaping your mind and trying to have a different focus, a different perspective. Yeah. Is that working so far you think I mean, it's early? So the dog days are a month or two away. But I think so I think so I think it's working. I mean, again, it's it's funny. How the mind works, right? You program it to say like man, you know, I'm tired. Maybe you're not tire. Maybe you are. But it's like, you know, you said it, so you know, you're going to act on it. And so on we're trying to again, we're trying to shift our perspective. And I think it's working you know, guys are having fun with the season. Obviously, we're, you know, five and one winning, you know, always helps but at the same time, I, you know, I see it looks like. We're having fun. So doing pass Steve tried anything different. Or you think? It's too early for that. Like if he's got some trick up his sleeve to like like stoke, you guys is gonna come later NAS too early. You know, this is you know, started the season everybody we're playing it's it's a new game. Right. First time, we're planning these teams. So yeah. No. It's it's on us. So among the other weird elements of this would be the last note about last night. But among the other weird elements, of course, DeMarcus cousins your newest warrior teammate managed to get tossed while his street clothes on on a single tech at seemed like the most cousins moment ever were you close enough to hear? What was I did? I did I did it was it was a weird situation. And I mean, you know, just a, you know, just on defensive cousins like, you know, he mentioned something. But the way he mentioned it was you know, he was talking to us. You know, he was talking to us into our team, you know, and it was just weird because at the same time, you know, understand listen, Scott foster was the one two toss them. You know, I understand the job is to keep the peace. Right. And you know, and and make sure things don't get out of hand. But I don't think they were out of hand yet. You know? I don't think they're out of hand yet, you know, and at the same time, it's like. It's just tough. You get tossed on one technical, you know, it's just like. That's a little over zealous. I thought I thought I thought they jumped the gun. I thought he had a little bit of that Dennis Rodman treatment, you know, looking at it like reputation. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, his reputation kind of preceded him right there. Yeah. You know again. It's like thought they jumped the gun with it. I played pool reporter last night. So I was the one who to go talk to Scott foster and say, okay, why did you check them on one tag? Right. And his thing was so they'd both give be given warnings cousins. And Kanter to knock it off, basically. Right. And then his explanation was that cousins. Basically, I in whatever way whatever manner objected to warning. And so whatever happens from there. And why what s oh, so why on one tech? Because obviously normally you get to before your check did. And it was the fact that he was not in the game. Like the fact that he was I don't know if it was a street clothes or just not being in the game at all. So like the idea that is the rule non-participant. I don't know if there is. But so somebody else told me this after the game that if you notice like there, they'll. They'll do this with like, a assistant coaches get teed up a lot faster than the head coach. Right. It's like because they're not the ones who it's supposed to be like yapping at you. I guess so maybe it's the same idea. Like, right. The same way. They would treat an assistant coach the treat in democracy's not playing and he got close, but why the action? Yeah. That's the part. I don't get. I couldn't quite get him to say. This was a certain point where like can't press that far. Like, if you Scott's not going to tell me, he's not gonna telling me, I get it. But but I was curious like I say like one of the. Yeah, did like did. He did he drop an f-bomb was the magic word or one of the magic words in there somewhere. Yes. Yes. So do you know did you hear magic word? No, oh on the core at the time. Yeah. I was getting ready to get on the court at the time. So again, why you know, why after one, you know, that's that's it look for even for all of us. Like, my the first stop for any of us is that's a reputation injection. Right. Right. So you've had some time to like he's been with you guys. Now. I don't know if you how well you knew DaMarcus before he got. You guys, but you've had him as a teammate now for a month or so like have you gotten a better sense of of this guy because he's got he's a polarizing figure, and he's it's a strong presence good or bad reputation behind that. That is that is earned. It doesn't mean. It's all that doesn't mean that's the whole picture of him. Right. But he, but the reputations for reasons. So what are you? What have you gotten to know about DeMarcus? That's giving you a better fuller picture finally, though, funny funny. Funny guy right strong personality for sure, but man, you know, like. I would want them on my team. Right. Because he you know, he's the type of guy he's going to go to war for his teammates. Right. The other team not so much, right? And I think that's the kind of the the field that we all have gotten because we've battled against him. So just looking at it. You know, he, you know, he he goes the workforce teammates. No, he sit out there. He's you know, you should see him with Damien shown. So I, you know, I'm talking about his presence the confidence that he gives him, you know, talking to him every play right things that you don't see. Right. What you are his teammates. I mean him taken care of the rookies right, making sure they, you know, he may give them his per diem things like that of that nature things that he does for the community of the team that he plays, and he goes to the worst areas directly when he gets there, and you know, plugs into whether it's a boys and girls, whether it's a, Sal. Ovation. Army little things like that that he doesn't talk about promote do it for the media. You know, just a real a real person, you know. And that's the side. I think you know, gets misconstrue that's the side that you know, you get a chance to see once teammate. And so we're looking forward to getting out there on court with this, obviously that's the next. That's coming soon. I guess right. There's word is that he's gonna be. Yes. What do you know how much he's going to be able to do you guys? I don't I don't know. Right. He has his own, you know, kind of timetable just plan that he's working with the staff on. So you know, when he's ready, you know, we'll be ready for them. But you know, he he also has to take his time. It's a long season a no he's thirsty. I would be too. I've been there. I've been there. So you know, when he when he's ready. He'll be back Sydney. Achilles injury. Tricky. Right. But like nothing is as devastating as what you went through. Obviously, it's a whole different thing. But the achilles in particular like the the the history of this injury in the NBA guys come back. They're never quite the say, and it's and it's a long road in terms of rehab and again, fundamentally different than what you went through with blown out every ligament in your knee, and none of these are ever entirely comparable. But I would imagine like the psychological part of it having to to rebuild your confidence. The patients that it takes to go through rehab. Yes. To stick with it to see the light of the end of the tunnel to just to stay positive like that is your that's your career story as democracy there asked or have you volunteered? Anything about your experience to help him along guide. And actually in the beginning when I first met him, right? When I went off, I you know, som- first day we talked a little bit. It's just about the road recovery. And then from there, it's just. More. So of a just giving them encouragement letting them know that you know, I've been down that road. It's different. It's a different road with the Killys and the knee, right? But at the same time, you know, the path. The journey is similar as far as mentally mental the mental journey. That's the most probably the most important part. Right. Because that's what's driving everything. That's what's giving you the motivation. That's what's you know, the fear. The doubt all that stuff is creeping in your mental. You know, you have to be defensive with that you have to protect your mind and sense of your sense of belief in yourself, right? And your abilities knowing that, you know, it's gonna come back even if it's not there right now, it's going to come back. You gotta keep pushing. You gotta keep pushing. So just encouraging them giving them some of that encourage encouragement when I you know, I'm looking at them. I'm seeing you know days, he's frustrated. Right. You're frustrated you want to be out there or you're not yourself. You know, you you're out there, you're playing you're, you know, getting up shots, whatever he's doing. But you're not yourself you feel like yourself, and that's that's a hard hard part of this game. Especially for somebody. His talent all world talent. Right. All star top ten twenty play like this. I mean that could be incredibly incredibly frustrating. It's like a superhuman doesn't have any superpowers anymore. Right superman too. You know? So it's it's it's tough. And so I'm just you know, like, I said just giving them those words McCurry. Yeah. So one of the things people talked about going back to the idea of like trying to keep things fresh is that, hey, we'll cousins is this new element. It's a really big new elements not only on talent. But personality all everything that comes with him. But he's not out there yet. So, you know, maybe maybe the timing on. This is good, right? Like the beginning of the season is still fresh the novelty of new worn off yet. And maybe by the time you guys start to hit the doldrums. Maybe that'll be in the time that cousins slips into the rotation. Do you think that that actually will help like are you looking forward to that moment? Not not just because he's gonna make you guys that much potentially better. But just like, shh shit. We just need to throw a grenade into the middle of this thing just to make it feel different definitely. And then his like you said a strong personality. So just with him coming back that it's in itself can give us, you know, a little bit of a joke. You know as far as being out there. Just hearing another voice out there. You know, a guy that has a big presence. You know, it just kind of amps up, you know, amps up value. Right. So, you know, getting out there and makes it a little bit more exciting, you know, to to play with the personality of presence like, so we're we're looking forward to it. The way that that you guys see the rest of the this point like from our standpoint on the outside. It's like, you know, what until and unless something else happens injuries, boredom. Whatever is the warriors. And there's this gap because of the talent. And so I think I feel like we all kind of easily dismiss certain things. And then we look at the rockets. Okay. They lost Imbaba moved in our Reza. So they're they're they're Cape. Taking step back. How much are you guys conscious of it all of that discussion? Are you looking at it too? Or you go on like, oh, man. That's a that's a big blow. But no reason was a pain in the ass for us to deal with last year. He's gone that. That's that's good for us in like, oh eight LeBron's in LA. Well, they may be missing a few pieces still. But like all right. Well, that's interesting. He's in our backyard night, how conscious are you of all the movement given that you guys are you're you're on this perch, it's funny, man. 'cause I mean, again, that's what makes the NBA such great league is the headlines, right? I mean off season is almost more. More exciting than the regular season. Seriously. Sometimes it right? So it's like, that's what makes arly great. You know, you have all of these different scenarios. And that, you know, the media all know, everybody fans players, we all kind of talk about we give our opinions, we, you know, things look so so much sometimes things look different on paper. Right. Then they will in the game. And I think players I'm staying at you know, sometimes we can get a little hyped up about things on paper that don't necessarily work out in the game. And then sometimes right? They they kind of even out right? It's like, oh that's going to work out real nice. Right. And we all know that. And I think the Trevor reason one I think we all understand I think both media and players and fans right IQ's, an important piece. He was definitely a clog the way that he plays fits perfectly. Right. Some guys just complement each other. Well, right. Not just their games, but the personalities, and that's what that's the thing that I've learned in my fourteen year career is you can have guys who have you know, skill sets to complement each other. But if they don't have necessarily the personalities to necessarily get home on the court, and to you know, to vibe on the court, it could be a struggle. It could be a struggle. Right. If you've got, you know, because then sometimes it's not enough basketball's, right? Yeah. Sometimes it's not enough. You know, there's too many cooks in the kitchen. You know, it's like, oh, we need is one meal. Man, come on, you know, like, and so you're trying to get to that point to that in goal. And I think again Trevor reason one that was an interesting one mob. Lutein was good mass year for them in the regular season. Houston has some other pieces that could end up working out, but it's new pieces. So now they have to build that chemistry over. So you know, we'll see what it looks like it's still early in the season. You know? Lebron's leaving wherever he goes. He's gonna make team better. You know? No question about it. You know, and how are the young guys going to shape out? You know, they can be good. How good gotta wait and see, right, sir. Still early. So again, that's what makes our league exciting. It's fun to talk about it's fun to rationalize. And and you know, but we just we just play ball over over in the bay. We just play and the plants are a long ways away. So it's you know, this discussion that we will all have about like is it the rockets who are your biggest threat is at the jazz. Is it somebody else emerging? I guess for you guys. It's probably like that's not even really a discussion to you till you get there. But the one thing about the rocket so the playoffs, and you know, this you guys you come out of the conference finals it looked like a near miss. You win the championship again in all anybody's going to remember is that you one three and four years. But here we are still not that far removed from it. It was like, well, if Chris Paul doesn't go dry, of course, you guys do counter with dollars go down. Right. But it was that close and it wasn't game seven, and you guys were. We're out of your element for a while there when we say on our side of it. The rockets figured something out the rockets got the warriors out of their comfort zone. Messed with their heads got them into bad habits doing stuff that. They don't normally do they figured something out is that how how much truth is there to it. And how much did you guys internalized that come into this season? You're like we that. That's what we gotta look out for because know for a lot of us. We're already looking ahead to like warriors Celtics kind of thing and go, well, you have to rockets could do that look at how much better the Celtics personnels to do same thing in terms of switching and everything else. So we're we like, we're the media. We jumped way ahead to we what we do is talking about we're already we're already July twenty one thousand nine hundred about the players assigning. But like but to go back to to me. All right, how how much truth was there to the idea that the rockets figure something out messed with your guys heads got you out of it. And is that something you guys have to now be on the lookout for an do a plan for I wouldn't say, you know, mess with our heads. I mean, you know, you gotta say. Say they were planning all year right to face us. So you know, they were prepared. I mean, and they had the personnel to to you know, to make it hard. And that's what they did to to make a challenging. And that's exactly what they did. And then you add Chris you had Chris Paul you at PJ Tucker. I mean, they're competitive their competitiveness. You know, the the nature that brought, you know, took it to another level. Right. And that was the level that you know, that that we played with that was the level of competitiveness and the nature that we play with as well that pedigree. So it's nothing has to give. And you know, and I think you know, they pushed us to the brink. Right. It was a competitive series. You know, but I mean, it was also fun fun. You know, like being on the road game on that was fun being down three two that was fun because it's like you never gonna feel more alive as a player right to have that challenge. It's interesting. First of all never. Ever going to compare myself or our team to Michael Jordan? But just going back to you know, I'm student of a game and listening to 'em. Jay talk about why he retired or why you came back, you know, and and his retirement was like, you know, identity anymore challenges, you know, like, I looked you know, that's what I live for for the challenge right now is his competitive nature his spirit coming out and he retired. Because there was felt like there was no more challenges for him to accomplish. He did all these different achievements. And then so just understanding putting that in perspective for us. Right. That's why thanks can get complacent. Because if you go on you win championships or you not not to say, we weren't being charged. Right. This is the NBA. But when you get to new challenges lie going on the road game one like being down three two, you know, and those type of environments. That's it kind of lifts you, right? Pulls either it's going to break yours gonna pull you together. And I think we have the spirit. I think we have the the nature, you know of our team. And of course, the talent don't get me wrong. Like, we got really good players are not going to be s you, but that nature in that spirit also combined with that talent kind of pulls us together. And it makes it more exciting. So, you know, it's a summit up. It was fun. They definitely pushed us to the brink. But I mean, it was it was a fun challenge. It was fun to play in that series. Yeah. Once you guys get past that. And then if the finals, again, our perspective felt like anti-climactic, we heard that word a lot, you know, that you guys just had the Cavs out class. And it was your third championship in four years. And so for a bunch of you, it was it was the third championship for Katie. It was the second. There was a different vibe in the arena that night. I felt like just even as as a as a reporter being there. It did not feel the same as your breakthrough in fifteen. It's all becoming a blur now. Yes, it's like there was like that that I I can remember the electricity. Just even in the back hallway is that were soaked with champagne and everything that was a feeling back there. And then the, you know, the first one was K D because it was you guys having to like get back and last year felt like different. Did it feel different relief relief relief instead of so there's a funny thing. Dan, Clark has this basketball. Love story. Have you watched any of this on ESPN big massive series of the it's not the history of basketball? It's kind of his anyway, there's a whole thing the whole chapter putting it to a bunch of people when you win at all. Is it Joya relief joy relief? And then you hit coach is Steve Steve is in this montage. I think and everybody says he the joy or relief and some people say s- both, but it's different for everybody. And maybe different every time. Right. So so last year was relief instead of joy relief relief for sure relief. I mean for me, it was I mean, you know, I'm not gonna speak for any of the other guys. But I mean, just the vibe in the post that I had for our team, you know, for myself relief for sure. Just because of the season the narrative, the, you know, the the way the everything was shaping out. How hard it was to do it again. I mean, it's it's it's incredibly hard San Antonio right twenty when he seasons in the playoffs insane twenty never back to back champions. Yeah. No, that's hard. That's hard to do man. It's it's incredibly difficult. And so for us to go out, and do it what we were facing, you know, the injuries, and you know, some of the. Complacency in some of the things that we were we were challenged with. I mean, it's it's incredibly difficult. Katie in particular, had said something interesting at one point. I can't remember where this was maybe it was in the in the Sports Illustrated story where he said he thought it would be a different feeling like when you finally got their first year of the second one. Yeah. I like it was like, wait a minute. I thought they were going to be some special into this. And that's a really interesting notion. Right. And Katie is a different kind of person to anyway, like, we always talk about this think he's kind of an unknowable element. But yeah, whether it's joy relief, whatever then it's like, okay. Well, what else what else is there? And this is what leads to like people thinking. Well, maybe he leaves. He might need some new challenge. You've talked a lot in this in smashed forty minutes or so about trying to always find that new challenge. Kyri Irving needed to leave Cleveland to to to grow you. And I talked about this a while back when I was working on that story. Like. Like, this is a real thing. Right. Like, I'm not asking you predict about where katie's going all that stuff. It's way down the road. And nobody knows. I wouldn't be so stupid ask. But it, but that's a real thing. Right for all of you guys that that whether you've reached the highest peak or whether you're still trying to find it this idea that sometimes you need a different atmosphere different scenery. That's a real thing for all of you in this game, isn't it? Yes. Absolutely. And it just it all comes down to the individual. And the thing is our not everybody gets to pick, you know, their destination. Not everybody gets to pick their journey. You know? And I think that's the thing that fans sometimes they lose track of you lose track of that. You lose the perspective of right? You know that that empathy putting yourself in somebody else's shoes. Do that right? Because you're thinking about what you want. Right. An because it's your team. You know, it's like, this is what I want is what you should be doing, you know. And it's like, it doesn't work that way. You know guys that are fortunate enough to be able to. You know, choose their destinies and their journeys and take control of their careers. You know, man, more power to them. And you know, they should exercise their rights in their power to to do that. Right. Because it's this. You know, father time is undefeated, and we all will, you know, we're all going to the same place. Right. As far as you know, finishing out the game basketball. We're not gonna play until we're a hundred you know, it's not going to happen. So. You know, stern guys have different motivations. And you know, you just you know, like, I said certain decisions certain individuals. Have you know, certain motivations and individuals? You know, like like I said what works for kyri may work differently for Kevin, you know, what works for LeBron's may work differently for kyri. It's like it's just different, you know, different agendas, different motivations, whatever it may be different goals. So, you know, but but guys that have the right to or have the power to to exercise that and choose where they want to be more power to them. And and hopefully, you know, more and more guys have have that opportunity because there are so many like the rest of us the rest of us guys. Right. You know, we we have to kind of go where the opportunity is presented to us, you know, and make the most of that opportunity. Yeah. And that's the reality of you know, the NBA the NFL then H O majority of the professional leagues. No, the majority of the mid level players of the fringe guys. Right. That make up the rest of the you know the leagues, right? Then you have the superstars that all the fans know about it some that's just the way it set up. That's the system, you know. And that's just the way it's going to be. But so I, you know, more power to those guys. Yeah. Couple more before I let you go on. But on that subject. So twenty nine hundred is going to be this. This wild free agency period. A lot of stuff things things will happen there. Twitter will explode. Yes. From your perspective. You've you've played with superstars you've played on any number of teams. You've you've had your own agency. And yeah, you're right guys at your level. Sometimes don't have the same choices of the whole menu. That right. A Katy might have. Right. Rank it for me, though, when you're making that choice if you had choice of all thirty teams, and if you had the ability to do design anywhere ranked these for me between. Ownership of a team the city itself. The money is always like a given right in for the Macs. Guys. It's the money's the same everywhere. Anyway, the coach the team mates the roster like I'm not asking him like who you know to predict any particular player. But just like, what would you those things you think matter the most like when fans are looking at this unseen guys making decisions and wondering how this like you get to that choice. Like, what what do you think moves guys the most when they're trying to figure out what the next step is? Gantt see this. It's funny. Like, it depends for certain guys for certain guys. I think for the majority put it this way, the majority of guys I believe it's it's the roster. It's the coach, right. The city definitely has something to do with it. But you know, if you're if you're winning and a you got guys you're competitive, you're contending team wherever you know. I think is will go to you know, Milwaukee right, which I'm not saying, it's a trash city. I'm just saying that it's a sub market, right? It's no big markets. Not a New York's Noda LA, it's cold. Right. And it's cold very played there. But if they're winning they got a chance to be a contender. You know? I think you know, guys would go there, right Gaza and want to be competitive. You know, maybe I mean, that's just again is my thoughts. My opinions, but I felt like rosters important, right guys. Want to win. Gaza competitive at the end of the day. If you're, you know, you're like you said star level the money is the same wherever you're going to get them. Let's just you know, the league is healthy. No doubt Liga's healthy. And yeah, I'd say I mean the ownership again that comes with competitiveness. So. Yeah. So that's that's how I would put it last thing before I let you go. So I don't know when this decision comes. But your next decision. I feel like is gonna be when when is it just time to walk away your fourteen years in your thirty three you haven't you've everything you could possibly chief at this point. Really? I mean, you know, three championships and potentially a force like when will you know, it's time like when will it feel like like there's nothing left to accomplish? Or it's just not the same thrill. I mean at this stage. I assume it's more on your mind than it was five years ago. How often do you think about do? You know, what the next stages is funny because you start the, you know, you start to pick is brains and ask, you know, when did, you know, and then you read the the whole David west thing when he was like man, Josh Hart stood me up. And my back was stiff all these different things that he just use like man, you know, I went through some of that the last couple of years because you know, like just thinking about it. So it's funny. How things come around the full circle just thinking about you know, when I came in this league at nineteen. You know, my trainer was like, I can't wait to see you at thirty. And I'm like, I'm never going to be thirty. I feel like he's just feel invincible. And then you get a point to where it's like man, you know, it's it's a little different waking up. So I think right now where I'm at it's kind of year to year, you know, it's been a credible run. But at the same time still having fun still very very competitive and wanting to win obviously with the situation wherein, you know, we're we're still competing for championships. And I'm able to play a role in that whatever that role may be so I'm still competitive in that role. And I think once this year. Over you. And you kind of sit down and say, you know, kind of what's what's next depending on, you know, a contract situation and moving forward, but I could see you know, I could see another couple years. You know, I could see it being year to year. But at this point, I think it's more about you know, the summertime, right? How do you fill in the summer? What kind of motivations do you have moving forward? And are you ready to prepare yourself 'cause the preparation is the most important now that's the difference between twenties and thirties, and the preparation, you know, getting yourself ready to play a full season. It's not like it used to be. I'm sure at Vince Carter at what forty one cent credible. Any banenky still? So he's just hanging on. He's just sitting in an invest like the dude starting games any he's still a viable player out there. It's just what kind of athlete that he was in his prime, right? And how much she still working at a? A to obviously. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. For sure for sure for sure is is it going to be coach Livingston sometime in the future. You think? Nah, not not not team president living's day. We'll see. We'll see. I Mike right right now. I'm setting my sights kind of on the on the office. You know looking out upstairs. You know, what the flexibility, you know, young? They got they got it. Easy like front office versus coaching. I is different hours or nuts different. Yeah. Different. There's definitely it's apples oranges thing. Yeah. Yeah. So you've been in Bob Myers zero now and then on the planes, and you know, I'm plant some seeds around the league. We'll see we'll see where that goes. One of my my old teammates L, andbranch, right? I got the job in Philly. Happy for him. You know, hoping that works out for him. And you know, they're they got a good. Good team. Sounds like good organization. So see see where that goes. But plan seeds, right? I certainly don't want to rush you into retirement still still love still play. The actually retired me last week. Actually, he retired me. You know, he's said man, we we gotta gotta make sure Sean finishes this outright. And I'm like, Steve I'm still playing. He was at a post game press conference or saw a practice. Actually, you know. So it was was I say like what we're gonna season for Sean or something. Yeah. Wow. It was like the last dance tour. What do you say that come on? Now. Hey. You know, the door is not. It's not shut yet. Yeah. No. But it was it was it was funny, man. It's like say we you gotta be able to joke and half. What it right and enjoy enjoy the process that is one of the great things about your team. I mean, obviously winning always helps. But like you guys you can't walk in that room. And not feel like this is a group that really loves hanging out and being with each other. The moods always great around your team. I'm sure there are those low moments as well. But but that that is it is an important part of your of your team culture, the overused word, you guys you guys like make this fun. It sits always enjoyed. You. Can't take yourself. So seriously got to try to enjoy. Yeah. Great group. Sean. Thank you so much for taking the time as always I will let you get to the rest of your weekend in New York out in net, slightly less rain now, I think when we started. 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Mon. June 3 - They Find A Way

The Starters

25:40 min | 2 years ago

Mon. June 3 - They Find A Way

"Mark Zuckerberg told the New Yorker, the new source he definitely follows Techni. So listen to the Techni m- ride home podcast, the podcast, anyone who's anyone in Silicon Valley listens to every day in just fifteen to twenty minutes. You get a rundown of what happened in the world of tech with all the headlines, context, commentaries and tweets from all the biggest players new episodes, every day at five pm eastern searcher favorite podcast app for ride home and subscribe to the tech me m- ride home podcast, the starter, presented by fan duel official partner of the NBA. Today show, we discuss how the wounded warriors even the finals and whether the raptors should've felt later would may be most surprising warriors performance and the most Bisa pointing raptor in game two. And Ricky Rubio says a jazz, a full of his up priority number one for them out Monday, two-third, the sort of. Sweep that welcome to the starters presented by Jack Daniels old number seven, and Tennessee, Honey. I'm Jay ski alongside me as always tasks Melles. No, Ozzy the lead LS off the Oakland. But back from Toronto, it's the beer one trae Kirby. Hey, ho TRAI? What's up? Well, I'm just hanging out here over at the internet had a great time in Toronto. Got this incredible shirt. Thank you to the raptors. And speaking of this shirt, why don't you guys go ahead and take a look underneath the right side of your chair. My friends. Deep under skeets doing this thing. It looks like I guess it's not there man. It's a long day. No way. Man. I'm so sad. I see here. Everybody's happy. Oprah's wait. A steel answer for us. It doesn't matter that they lost. We got a shirt great. Everybody loves free teachers even when they don't fit me because I'm very tiny grid w back, appreciate the shirt, medium. Thanks. All right. Let's get in to breaking down game to. Let's play it by doing a little true false finals edition. TK take it away with one reading the series of the five point. Halftime lead. The raptors were on the bird, going up to on a Durant. Let's warriors team. And then the third quarter happened and the dubs unin eighteen zero run. But after injuries the Klay Thompson and kevon looney the raptors still had a chance until Andre. It would knock down a wide open three to even up the series of the hesba Oakland to false. The raptors blue gold and opportunity. Yeah, they did. I'm just using this blankets to comfort me because, of course they blew that game. And when they lose the series, yet your feels that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen when, and if they lose the series let's okay. I'll be gentle, when it's all said and done. They're going to look back at this game and say we needed to take advantage of that first half a bit more when we were dominated and go into half with a bigger lead and the third quarter. We all know that the warriors are going to come out strong. We need to defend a little better. We need to hit a couple of shots and not let them go on their eighteen plus the litany of injuries maladies dehydration that were happening with the Golden State Warriors up and down the they're only going to get healthier from this point. So yes, this is a game that they're going to look back and say, hey, we should have got that they could still get one of the warriors in Golden State. I'm back to two but yeah, they regret this performance. I agree with agree with you. Especially when you look at the injuries, the Klay Thompson want, especially he was having the best game of all the warriors when it came to scoring. He goes down a good chunk of the fourth quarter and they still pull it out. Yeah. Ludi as well. It'd be you've been great for them at the center position. He goes down and does a return to this game and they still get it done. But I mean, I guess this is sort of semi true to me, sort of true, this idea that they blew it. We knew the warriors, we're going to come out in game two with a better game plan and more energy. We knew that was going to happen heading into the game. Now, I think what shocked us all was, maybe how they got the w and not, not even the third quarter run. But you guys you guys like Shaun Livingston Quinn. Cook Andrew bogut, scoring a lot of key baskets in the fourth quarter before the for the raptors excuse me. Shut down the warriors for a good chunk of the game. You know, we had the weird third quarter run the warriors went on their eighteen run all the raptors flipped around in the fourth quarter and played great defense Janke defense as Steph curry called it, it was owned defense. And one I mean everybody on staff for the one guy on stuff for you. Run them around. We're gonna play zone even you don't see that in the NBA whole lot. But yeah, it was these sort of role players, including Andrei adult. Some extent, I know he's going to be a future hall of Famer but he's not a three point shooter and he knocks down the biggest shot on the night. It's how would happen. It's not that it happened. That, that's the biggest surprise to me. Well, the, the issue is, is that Kevin Durant still hasn't played in this series. He's gonna play at some point DeMarcus cousins four-time all-star is getting healthier and that was huge because Steph curry wasn't himself quite quite right you throughout the game. He just wasn't getting off the way he was, you know, throughout the first three rounds of the postseason, but DeMarcus cousins, bringing up the ball along with Draymond green and that same rollout Steph curry to play off the ball. So if he's getting better. And he's getting right this whole this whole idea that, oh, they don't have enough scores that goes out the window with DeMarcus cousins there, if he's playing intense on defense because that's where I guess you can find a fault in him because you're never going to find a fault on the offensive end. And I don't think Klay Thompson is going to miss a second of this series, not just because he's tough as nails and hasn't missed the playoff game throat. This warriors run. But also he was walking around post game. Funnel in the tunnel. That's right. They always waiting for guys. He had an ice bag on the hamstring. You'd think it was severe. He wouldn't be in the tunnel, high five guys on his feet. Yeah. And we sent around video today of him getting to the airport today in Sanford under Oakland wherever they fly into, and he wasn't limping low. He looked right? I, I would think that he would be getting it worked on and just up and down the roster. They're only going to get better. The warriors talked to after game one about, hey, we haven't played this. Raptors we got we got to get some film to look at and break it down after they lost game one kept saying that Steve Kerr Tom, Tom again, sort of true because they had a different game plan and that was hey, there's going to be back door cuts of eligible. Let's pick this very elite defense in the raptors apart with ball movement. Those cuts and the excellent play making including DeMarcus cousins, and kudos to you test. You'd been saying before the final started when cousins comes back, I think he should start. He should be in there. Get them with those starters those play. Making the loan with those guys in the movement that they can give you. He's dangerous and he had a bad game one the only the eight minutes, but he did play make well we talked about that in the game one in the limited minutes, and then he continued to do that, and then give them a little bit of around. Kill some big defensive rebounds down the stretch in game two. So a couple of blocks, Pat yourself on the back on that new shirt, sometimes when I watch basketball games, I can see that guy. He's a four time all. It worked up. We the question was does he have the legs? Does he have the body it does? He does he recovered. And the answer is yes. Or at least for one game. Yeah. Try next one after Danny green hit a three with twenty six seconds remaining. The rafters failed to and Golden State had the ball, but rather than choosing to foul, and some of the dubs the line, the raptors went for the steal trapping. Multiple times before Andre. Igwe dolla activated. The clutch out the pass from Shaun Livingston, all the time of the world. Knocks down the game sealing three to take game for the warriors got we're false, the raptors should have filed late. I'm going to actually say false on this because I want to break this down, right? It could only get by the way, I off, I still can't believe that pass made it through to Shaun Livingston, every time you watch that replay, and I'm not just saying this as a rapturous fan. No. I think it's going to get picked off from Leonard. Yeah. But Livingston, great job of actually humming to the ball here. Doesn't it probably is deflected or pickle is gonna eat that. But great great job, I Sean, and then it gets a dig at all. But I'm going to say false that they should've felt late because here you get up to that point was to seven from the floor here in game two. He had shot something like one of fourteen from distance over this last playoff stretch. He wasn't on fire from three hundred was when he started the playoffs, but then you've been ice cold. And so you're like, that's fine. And he shot this even a little earlier than maybe he should've in the shock, obviously knocked down. So they're happy about that. But what's the, the flip side of this fouling Draymond green? There was a couple chances fell Draymond green, seventy percent free throw shooter. He was five or six in this game alone. Looked pretty confident solid at the line. I think your chances were actually better with. They get all missing the wide open three because he's not a great shooter, and that's sort of the game plan to let him shoot. He knocked down kudos to him, but I didn't mind it if he misses, they're raptors got get the rebound, of course. But there's time you got a time out and there's time to still still that game. Yeah. And the only had one. Timeout. So they couldn't advance it twice if they're playing to possession free throw games. So they wanted to save that and that is exactly the shot that they wanted. Steph curry could have passed it to Andrea dollar. He was four feet away for when he was doubled. Instead, he passed it over Shaun Livingston who was more in his range, that was where Shaun Livingston could hit a shot from Steph curry new Andres. Not hitting shots. I'm passing it over there. And the safe pass was Andrea della. Right. But quite lenders got a leg that's dragging behind him. He is doing phenomenally at to put up thirty four and fourteen in this game if he doesn't have that leg dragging behind him. He chops this pass up. It's such as. Ass. You could have gone to Andrea della, right there. He's wide open. Right. He passes it. They're the most dangerous pass on the floor on Livingston makes the right play obviously coming to the ball. And of course, I wonder Nick nurse here on the sideline is he saying, hey foul, Draymond green. That's what it sure looks like I mean. Yeah he he the game motion bottle them up. He's saying, do the exact opposite what I said was actually worked out pretty well and know a double instead but it looks like he is hitting his arm. Siaka. I'm could get a contest a little bit. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, it could all being one for fourteen in the last three up to that, and not a great three point shooter as it is these still an NBA player in all the time in the world and he thought about it. He's, I think was like way, I'm wide open here, and also is it in our best interest to maybe just not shoot this and really run out the clock a little bit more. But he let it go. And again, he's a future L Famer, he's a champion already finals MVP all that you need a friend of the big moment now and kudos to him for knocking down. But yeah, that was a weird one. It was like it was like that. Perfect amount of time of, like do you or don't you do the foul and I still can't believe Leonard didn't come up with that steel can't believe it trae or funnel one, Kevin Durant had played yet in the finals. But he's not the only injury that the warriors are dealing with as both kvamme looney and quite Thompson couldn't finish game two after hurting their collarbone and hamstring respectively. Marcus cousins just missed a Muslim half, and he suddenly, one of the healthier guys in the rotation so true or false. The warriors might need Leila's. Right. Because he's. Already there in owed him up. I'm going to say false because the warriors they don't actually need an Australian three point specialists in a weird way. They already have that just to players. They've got the Australian and Andrew bogut. And they've got the three point specialists off the bench right now in Quinn cook who was massive in this game you'll Bogue. It was great. With the alleyoop Quinn cook cookeville, it's three threes. Every one of them really needed. So no Liam sorry. I know you took your stuff with you. I know you got your shoes and your gear but, but they don't they don't need them. They've got Andrew cook slash Quin bogut joined there. Yeah, exactly. No trae mentioned DaMarcus because is now one of the healthier players in the lineup. And now that you've inserted him. There's, there's no real whole there's no real problem. He's going to continue to start give on looney as a loss as a backup center. But Andrew bogut can't place a minutes. And the fact that you got your four-time all-star back playing like a four time all starting to Marcus cousins. What do they have to worry about? I think Steph curry still needs to have a breakout game a bus game. He saw that. Gimmick defense at the end, they're playing boxing one going at him. He's going to learn from that, I think going forward, especially if clay plays if Steph is just by himself owed on the perimeter. That's why you can do the box and what you can't do it when there's another shooter and Klay Thompson, or when Kevin Durant comes back. You just can't do that. David Wright, I expect both those guys to play. I expect I said earlier stuff to be healthier in terms of his dehydration levels. They were checking on him. I know it seemed like if you're a raptors fan, it seemed like I was another bogus thing going on. Steph curry is dehydrated but he was going back to the back of the locker room. And there were reports that he just wasn't feeling. Right. I'm sure that's going to improve. I'm sure they're going to improve on the way they re defenses they, they busted out that gimmick defense. I don't think that's going to work again. And again, cousins and Draymond green who didn't even talk about who had a masterful gab probably the best warrior on the floor besides Klay Thompson, but he was he was just phenomenal cousins and green bringing up the ball allows curry and Thompson to play off of it. They feel like they're. Most hole, and they don't even have Kevin Durant. So they don't need Leila's. Yeah. They don't even sorry buddy. Sorry. No, I guess not break lots still to come here on the starter tonight when we return we're gonna continue to dissect game two of the NBA final Bill in the blank fund. 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Back with the starters, time fill in the blank five finals edition. I won the warriors Steve Kerr loves the pre strengthened numbers last night. The teams supporting cast made him. Look at your smart man cousins with the double double in just a second game back from injury. Quinton cook it all those threes. Iggy, the lakey hero, no shortage of guys to pick from here guys filling the blank most surprising warriors performance was blank going going Negga Shaun, Shaun Livingston. Draymond said he's not usually a good receiver of the ball. But he was like megatonne out there. I still cannot believe that Shaun Livingston beat Leonard. Wow. This is it a two point game. If that's a steal quite letter. At the very least he's getting fouled on the other end probably shooting two free throws. Maybe it's an end gone. Maybe it's a dunk who does what it is, as it turns out, it's Shaun Livingston. The guy everybody say a man does he have anything left in the tank made the biggest winning play of the night. That was huge. Feels like every finals he has one germ really good game. And people say, man, this guy's got all the skills in the world because he really, really does Gwynne cook has one discernible great skill in the world, the three point shooting. He's very very good at it. But he was not coming into this game hit three threes in his previous nine games and he hit three threes in this game. It was a four point game early in the fourth quarter and this guy ripped off too. Big three's. Any celebrated with Steph curry. This is a live. Blake cook is going back on defense. Steph curry was trying to check into the game. No technical foul. Sure. Sure Quinn, coats, going back. I mean, I guess. Your twin going out of here. Yeah. It was very cool. This is very cool. That Quinn cook made that shot from basically the same place. He missed the three against the rockets game five last year. Guess he's been working in that spot working out. All right, good answer is, let's flip it over to the raptors side of things because they're supporting casts. They didn't give coli the help. They did in the series opener. Kyle lowry. Feld out in twenty eight minutes. Mark assault was back to being pretty passive and Pascale Siaka became back to earth shot just five of eighteen after that great game one, a lot of credit has to dream on greed for modeling love. But guys fill in the blank the most disappointing raptor in game two was like it was kinda Lowry. Unfortunately, this guy bleeds, raptors red and in a game that seemingly seems like the finals, this could swing the NBA finals the Golden State Warriors, way, the longest serving rapper just didn't have a very good game, allowing cuts like that to Shaun Livingston giving up the ball. Little bit. Some bad fouls that one fouling out there. You know, some bad calls against him as well that shouldn't have been made, but. He didn't roll with the punches. Just didn't have a very good game in this one. That looks the warriors, you knew were coming out, strong and guys didn't respond in Kyle Lowry has to lead those other guys, especially with quiet Leonard dragon that leg the way he is. You can see out there that they're number one is an awesome space Kelsey. Adam had a great game in game number one kind of expected him to come back to earth. Unfortunately, Lowery wasn't there to pick up the so you got I got Mark assault six points on seven shots. Just isn't enough. The raptors definitely asked him to be a little bit more of a distributor. I think in game two the warriors are pretty pretty focused on getting the ball out of quote Leonard tan. So guess all was kind of turning the offense over a little bit. But to me, he just took it to the extreme, too much wasn't really looking to score very much twenty points in game one was a huge abandoned for the raptors kind of caught the warriors by surprise. I would've liked to see Mark be more aggressive trying to score. But that's kind of the story with Marcus all sometimes you're getting the scoring guy. And sometimes it just pass. I know it feels like we've had some variation of both of these guys and we're talking about them after his playoff run every third or fourth game it feels like. Is that where we're talking about? Hey, you need more from lowering and hey, you need more from Arkansas. You need an aggressive, Marcus all for the raptors chances in a win. And I think that's true. I think one of those guys if not both of them have to go to Oakland, and in games, three or four to try and steal one out there have to have sort of like the games of their life. Hero games of their season. So to speak, if you're going to try and help out quite good answers. They get a Steeler. That's the key thing in Oakland then scientists can be given to them. They have to have great performances. All right. Gotta take a break when we come back start talking a little free agency here. We're going to discuss the chances Ricky Rubio stays in Utah, and a little bit more to Okinawa. Is this news? I got the headline today I one from bleach report Ricky. Rubio says the jazz have told him, he's not a priority in two thousand nineteen NBA free agency. This this. I think this is, I think it makes sense. You got Donovan Mitchell beside him whose a slasher think you wanna shooter at the point guard position. So it doesn't seem like those fit, especially with Rudy Gobert there in the middle. Another non shooter. Thank you want a lot of shooters around. Donovan Mitchell to give him space. Yeah. That's why I think it's not news. It seems obvious to me that this is a spot that the jazz can upgrade they'd kind of been a middle of the pack shooting team. Since Ricky Rubio has been there, but in the playoffs, it's always exacerbated their a pick and roll team you need as many shooters playmakers as you can get especially at the point guard position. Get be all Donovan Mitchell. Somebody else has to knock them down outside this guy though would fit nicely with the sons I think, you know, defensive guy beside Devon Booker, Devon Booker the score. The shooter the problem with that, though is in the same interview. That Ricky Rubio said this about the jazz, saying it's not a priority. He said he was envious of Marcus all situation playing on contender going deep into the playoffs, obviously. And the raptors now not sure maybe wants to go to sons who are still in rebuilding mode, but I kind of want to see him on a team where he can lead, though for me. I understand why he would wanna win that makes a heck of a lot of sense but him being thrust into a leadership position might be better for him where he's got a lot of responsibility through find a one here making quick dot com. Coming through with this headline Kemba Walker calls Charlotte his first priority. We're talking all priorities in this one. Okay. Is this news, Kemba Walker saying Charlotte's priority? It's not news for me. No. Yeah. They wanna keep him he wants to stay and make a lot of money. I guess, I think you what if you're the Charlotte ownership group, you say, we'll sign you we'll try and find a number that works. Maybe not the supermax to the extent that you can get not two hundred twenty one million dollars. Oh, because you might be hanging in your franchise for a while. But you can always trade him. So I think you do sign him to some number. Yeah. And I think that the supermax is why it is news, because I think Kemba will want to get the supermax want that to twenty one if he can, and we'll be a problem for the Hornets cap, but it gets a little bit better in two thousand twenty Biondo Williams, K G, all come off the books come, obviously, we'll be making a huge chunk of that cap. But at least there will be some sort of slot open for somebody perhaps, to be traded to Charlotte sign there. Yeah. And Cody Zeller is already helping out. He's got a lemonade fundraiser going on here. It is he's going to raise some money, help out the Hornets get that two hundred and twenty million dollars. A look at that progress bar on the bottom left twenty one mill it's got to sell four hundred eighty million Cup of lemon. Nice. The high quality Lebanon, though. If you saw. Very very. All right. We take a break when we come back, though, we got a very soul play. We got no legally. But you know, we gotta BSP took good one. 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2004 Redraftables: A Series of Unfortunate Events With Joe House

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2004 Redraftables: A Series of Unfortunate Events With Joe House

"You're listening to the book of basketball. Two point podcast on the ringer. Podcast network we did the redraft from Nineteen Ninety. Six three two thousand and three. We stopped people got upset. They wanted it to come back. We did the two thousand and four redraft ables on the Bill Simmons. Podcast this week. Were about to run that here. We're GONNA be doing five on Sunday night with Ryan Russillo on the Bill Simmons. Podcast will eventually run it here. Oh Six oh seven. Oh eight on the podcast and then Oh nine is going to be on the Zach Lowe podcast and will eventually land on this feed as well. So we're doing at least oh three through a nine then after that. I'm not sure you guys will really have to beg but this is it. The redraft is back. Three ables continues. This is the book of basketball to point out shot. The Point Josh Church of Basketball Passion Full Book Basketball. The two thousand four redraft ables. Joe Houses here watched his draft together. I just gone back to Espn full-time After I was trying to split time with Jimmy Kimmel show in. Espn went back. Slough Back Boston in June. Two thousand four gotta Ritz Carlton Suite. You our Buddy Jacko and my dad. We all watched the draft together. My stupid dad went down there early at the hotel bar had to apple. Tv knees and was basically didn't speak for the first two hours. You were just looking at the room service menu the entire time. Trying to figure out where we're GONNA order in Jacko is just making joke after joke that I couldn't print in the column so I I don't know if it was a successful experiment but I do remember really enjoy myself. I bet you it was a very success successful experiment and I went back and read your two thousand and four diary and it's amazing what you were able to print I mean I know. This is the comedy lines. Were different back then. You just gotTa pay jokes. When I I enjoyed them we were making fun of Pavel Pope. Paschal dines Petunia Gland issue and never find out people would be. We'd have Terry Gland Support Group people coming at US on twitter. Yes Times the big the big thing with this draft. We should mention you did wear Tom. Googly out a throwback Jersey for the job and that was a gift from you. I think there was a whole thing about your triumphant return to ESPN. They put us up in at the Ritz. Say they've got you a room Jacko and I crashed in it and There was like a poster all this stuff and all I remember is arriving in Boston and basically being drunk until I got on the plane to go back yeah. That's really what I remember that trip. That sounds accurate. The big debate of this draft was Dwight Howard Versa Mecca okafor. And you and I were both in. The mindset of college should matter if you're succeeding at the highest level in the highest intensity games. That should matter. Were coming off the two thousand draft with Carmelo Darko and dot one. That's just revindicating. How we felt Carmelo had a good rookie season. Darko was a non factor for the Pistons and over and over again. It's like why. Take these unproven guys. I these guys that we've seen that we know we're good are good. I gotta say even though this was a loss for us in the draft IRA the magic around the clock with the first pick. If they're smart they take back okafor if they're dumb they'd take Howard. It's that simple. I still don't feel bad about that because I feel like if okafor doesn't get hurt. He's just a guaranteed fifteen and twelve with two blocks a game for like fifteen years. I really liked his game. I don't know if we knew about his back problems back then. No we definitely did not know about his back problems. And that really was the height of this thing. We've talked about over the course of a bunch of these redraft ables. Which is the bias that we shared around Watching College. Guys succeed on a big stage In the NC Double A. Tournament with all those is and all that pressure and having that play a part in our forecasting how they might prove out in the pros this draft that two thousand and four draft fourteen of the first twenty nine picks either didn't go to college or or where foreign Folks and we were just very skeptical and it comes through in that draft diary of the unproven talents. Dwight jammed right. Our rear ends so to speak. He did so if I had to describe this draft. In retrospect in in one way it would just be that it was an unlikable draft. I disliked just about everything that played out with how this came out. I had a list. Livingston goes forth. He blows out his knee in one of the ghastliest knee injuries. Ever I love Livingston. We're GONNA talk about him. Later at Jefferson had one of the all-time bad luck careers for if you did at Twenty Times. This is probably the twentieth. Worst version of it will go through. That okafor is back kept going out Josh Smith. He's in this draft. Jr Smith Polarizing. Sebastian Tell Fair Robert Swift the Lante West. Those are two to Thirty for thirty's Kris Humphries buried a Kardashian. Kirk Seder got punched out by Jerry Stackhouse and then Ben Gordon who we all late as like this is going to be like microwave two point. Oh He's going to be the next Vinnie Johnson and then he gets signed by the Pistons in his career just tanks and now he's at that point of his life where he's writing the Players Tribune pieces about what he learned. I had so much higher expectations for him. And then finally obviously Dwight Howard as as the The headliner of this draft to we did a whole pyramid podcast about book basketball about how he's about least favorite superstars ever house. What was fun about this draft? Just jokes Jakab that. That's it. Just Victor Crappier. It was a really big crappy kind of draft. Who's in retrospect? So all right. So it goes. Dwight Howard goes one to Orlando for two to Charlotte. Ben Gordon Three to Chicago Clippers. Four they'd take Shaun Livingston Trade. Down had the second pick in this draft they dump a contract and trade down from two to four and get a second rounder out of it. We were apoplectic. Nobody ever drops. 'cause WE THOUGHT. Okafor was a sure thing. Right trading backwards. All they're getting is the second round pick and dumping a salary that they should signed anyway. Your Washington Wizards were number five and your pumped about this. You're excited we're at that point. Luau. Dang was in their Andrea. Dala Devin Harris. Josh childress and your wizards traded out of the pick. I didn't mind it then I might have minded then. I don't mind it now because what Antoine Jamison did. For that era of the wizards it made them competitive. I it directly led to one of my most enjoyable periods. One of my most enjoyable stretches as a wizards fan which was about two months in the two thousand six two thousand seven season when they went like twenty two nine and Gilbert Arenas ascended to the to the top of the superstar stage. Jamison was an important part of that. So in retrospect thumbs. Up for Jameson. The trade was the number five pick Christian Leitner contract. Thanks J. Thanks for that contract and Jerry Stackhouse for Antoine Jamison which was a lot. I actually think you could make a case that they overpaid but at the same time they got Jameson who had only been in the league. Six years at that point and it was a twenty points. A game guys so defensible trade More Interesting Trade for Dallas because stackhouse up being a key guy for them no six when they make the finals run running. Devon Harris you know really gave them some speed then they were able to turn him in a JK at a couple of years later so All the way round that was fun so anyway Dallas moves into that five spot. Take seven hairs number six. Was Josh childress by the Hawks and then we have support Sha Kanter at number seven. Phoenix is on the clock. They are about a week and a half away from signing Steve Nash and signing quit Richardson and building the seven seconds or less sons. We don't know that yet. They need cap. Space apparently allegedly to To do the Quentin Richardson thing. And they ended up selling the number seven picked to Chicago and getting two thousand six number one from Chicago and some cash. And you look at this now. And this is a great fork in the road. Oh man because Luau Dang and Andrea. Dala are on there and they just could instead is paying forty billion Quinton. Richardson they could just take a Luau. Dang or EGO Dala Dowell is from Arizona. This was weird the time we didn't like this when this happened. Remember Yeah I Still don't have a clear sense as to. What Phoenix Thought Quentin Richardson was bringing to the table for them. In you know he had a little bit of that microwave scoring ability right. Y- could come in hot sometimes. Any may at three point shooter to he was so ball. Dominant is my recollection. Maybe I'm wrong about this. Maybe the advance stats. Don't back it up. I just remember the ball stopping with Quinn. Richardson too much. I think you're right. So you think like just if they do Dang then they have the money to pay Joe Johnson a year later now. Eight dollars probably higher upside as we're going to do our redraft but they signed Nash. They could have just. Let's say they just take. Dang already have Joe Johnson there to have Amari and this is a team that in the Oh. Five playoffs really had a chance to make the finals until Joe Johnson got hurt. But I think Dang you know. Maybe he's not as ready as Quinton rich in that year so that maybe you say it hurts them a little bit that first year but then as it keeps going. Dang was aware I mean you look at Dang's minutes per game. He he was he was leading. The league admits every single year. There and think about him you know as a perimeter defender You know during that stretch. He was so good defensively. Yes so that happened. Seven and then at number eight some comedy. Toronto Takes Raphael Rougeau. A number eight who I liked in the draft area as like a rich Man's Bark Madison which is also really insulting. You think like that's not who you outta their eighth pick like Madison Right. And he ends up being one of the all-time legendary bus he as a and thirty nine games in three seasons eleven minutes a game two point. Oh two point. Eight points eight rebounds and was one of those guys you saw them once on an NBA court. And you're like oh it's over. There was no chance no way no road map for him to be a good pro and what it really hurts. Zig Dollars the next pick. He was one of a handful of negative wind share guys. He was second from last in wind. Shares of everybody that that played at all From that two thousand four draft class. And you think about it blowing that pick paves the way for the terrible Vince Trade. They may which was you know. He had a gun to their head and was forcing them to do something but I. It was the worst salary. Trade of a superstar. We probably had in the last twenty five years. Where not only they knock it anything back. They had to take Lonzo warnings contract and they actually like made their cap situation worse. But you look at that that Oh five raptors team which goes thirty. Three and forty nine. They have a young Chris. Bosh they have vents. Who's at twenty two twenty three to twenty five point? A game scored the time to have our Jalen. Rose they have. Moore's Peterson Donyell Marshall Rafer Austin's there if they take egg with Dala there's a whole roadmap where that team has all the sudden pretty athletic and pretty competitive right away and then they don't have to make the Vince. Carter trade me. It's a weird. What if fork in the road right? 'cause they're usual thing on I? That might have been if Vince. Carter just came out. Now look as soon as I- scrimgeour the Rougeau I had to get the fuck out of there I just had to. I couldn't believe they took him. I would actually. I think that's defensible. Yeah that would be the finally legit justification right so anyway so that happens. Igwe fast affiliate nine and then that the Tenth Pick Cleveland Luke From Oregon. Who played seventy three games in his career? And when I was doing the draft. Ira I had a note in here about They they said he didn't bother come into the draft in Andy. Katz reported they had they got any cats any cats reports Jackson just felt more comfortable watching it at home. That's a fucking red flag. Think how it be a lottery. Pick a more comfortable watching this at home. What is that big? Well how about this? Did he know he was going to be a lottery? Pick maybe he knew himself. Maybe Luke Jackson was very in touch with who he was like. Well he's GonNa take me Ted. He ended up going to suck not going up terrible. So here's the other thing with that you know. Lebron's on the cavs by then they're trying to build the cavs in a certain way and equal dollar comes within one pick of landing and landing with Lebron why do you think about it like what a perfect sidekick for Lebron. That could have been so pretty interesting. What if they're Golden State landsby Adrian's at number eleven? You and I was like agents? There's nothing wrong with that guy. He just somehow or another. He got the free throw hips right but in the in the we believe season I thought he had some good moments but yeah good rebounder. Little bit of a rim runner and then he couldn't shoot free throws to the point that it feels like a ruined his career number twelve in. Now it gets really crazy. So the Celtics had the Fifteenth Pick. And it's all high schoolers and who the fuck knows yet. You have for high school standpoint. You Have Robert Swift Sebastian Fair Out Jefferson Josh Myth. Jr Smith Derail Wright All high schoolers figured to go around this range and I remember. I really wanted Al Jefferson. I was really excited about him because they were just like eighteen year. Old Low post guy old school. But they're all these rumors the celtics trader Robert Swift. Oh that's right. I forgot about that and this becomes really tough when you're talking about dangers. Gm there's been some bullets that he's dodged over the last two decades. That are not just bullets. They're like the teflon coated. Both the COP killer bullets. That could break. The bulletproof vest like they're like bullets. They're bad this was one of them. They offered his two thousand four first round pick and a future first rounder to move up three spots to take Robert Swift. That's been confirmed that was a confederated offer in the sonics turned it down. Oh brutal so a couple. What was it? How many years later justice winslow they offer the four first round picks to move into the Charlotte spot or the Miami spot any spot to try to take winslow and those pigs could have been you know Jalen Brown Mark B. Marcus smart like I forget not Marcus. Smart. Who was the Jaylen Brown? Pick definitely would have been in there But it would have been four. I so Danny's had a couple close calls with like draft disasters and I think this would have been one of them. They had a brain Dr back then. Who who really liked roberts swift's makeup. Which is hilarious. Because Robert Swift had one of the one of the all-time falls from grace of of any top fifteen pick like he. You know really had some really bad stuff happened to him. So I don't know what the brain doctor was looking at To our credit we were suspicious of Robert Swift in the moment I wrote in the draft diary. Looks like a cross between Fred Vice and Eric Montross And then said anytime. Someone is avoiding workouts. All Star Games even interviews as ever a good sign now. He gets to be tutored by the likes of. Jerome James Vitale topic. Oh and COW BOOTH. Can Somebody have downside? Not Upside so we were all over that one house. I feel at that So then tell fair goes thirteenth. That was another one so in the diary I wrote. Here's a doozy Portland. Take Sebastian Telford. And his one hundred person entourage number thirteen unbelievable horrendous pick. I'm speechless that one. Utah Takes Chris opry's fourteen and then Jefferson falls to the celts. Fifty and Kirk Snyder. Sixteen and then Josh Smith Go Seventeen we're going to talk about him later in the redraft but men would wear draft and then you go a little bit later all of a sudden. There's a slight nice little stretch after your guy. Crap got steak kit takes twenty two and Monja twenty three you point the Lante Goes Twenty. Four and that was like your. Your Buddy had coached him in high school. You were all in on him. Is Guy Young? We loved him in college. That was the Saint Joseph's team with him and Jamir Nelson. Yes Kevin Maher. I'm sorry Tonio twenty-fifth Kevin Martin Goes Twenty six and Sasha via chick goes twenty-seventh in a couple of other good ones Varejao. Went thirty. And that's really. It wasn't wasn't really good after that distract Christie thirty eight who Radio Reza Reza fell to forty three which seemed dumb at the time. Yeah so that's it Do you feel bad about getting the Howard. Okafor thing wrong. Because I don't know I don't feel bad about it either. I mean this is what the overwhelming body of evidence of this draft confirms is be suspicious of the high school players. Most of the time it will not work out there. The the the the success stories are very small compared to the disappointments and this draft proves that beyond a reasonable doubt now and it really does confirm how important you know. You're on the ground observational. Whatever the scouting You know capacity that you have at this moment. Just just think about the discussion. We had with that Danny Ainge in Robert Swift the cell. Yes you know And and and have what we all regard as a top notch institutional stability solidity. Good eye for talent you know. And it's been born out over the years but but look at that. He was right on the cusp of colossal. Fuck up because that's what Robert Swift when you look when you click on his name. I mean in all due respect to the things that he he confronted in his life. But you know as a as an well look I you know I about draft profiling. He had red hair and he was a big center with red hair. And we were like. That's not going to work every dunk on this guy. We should seriously do a top five. Let's do the all-time time top five. Ginger list I mean seriously. There's I can't do it off the top of my head but that will callans was a top thirty five per of all time. Red Hair K. Think he's best case scenario that's right either. Has A SCALLOP has been a lot of them the other thing. We were worried about Dwight Howard even before this draft is eighteen. Either high school thing had been so hit or miss and then before the draft. They interviewed her. Mini said quote. I went from eighty four Crown Victoria. That goes up to eighty four miles an hour to a new BMW. That goes up to one sixty and we were dying. We were like Oh my God late. Pick this disaster. This is in the category of things that we talked about. That didn't make it into your diary because they weren't acceptable even back then. We made the same analogy to because there was a lot of discussion about his Christian upbringing. And you know the sort of closed off kind of life. The clothes off existence he had. There are a lot of jokes we made in that Ritz Carlton. About Dwight being unleashed on on the female population the NBA Groupie population. And guess what? They turned out not to be jokes. Well was unleashed either as Dick around like Salami So Josh Smith was was the other one where just talking about some of the comedy stuff in this draft and there was. There was a lot of comedy. the quips trading backwards from two to four and just getting a second round. Pick out of it was hilarious in the moment You were excited. Here's what I wrote in the draft diary. I'm excited because my beloved south except three first rounders houses excited for Pavel Podkolzine whom he describes as quote across between George Murison and screech. My Dad's excited because he just threw down Apple Martinez at the Ritz Bar. Jacko's excited for two things. The number of bad suits and the number of mothers whoever three hundred pounds so everyone's pumped we really had our a game on From a comedy standpoint bilas graded intangibles from one to five and Jacco is confused. Said how do you rank? Intangibles one to five intangibles are the great unknown and yet he ranks them clairvoyant. A great call. How do you rank intangibles out? It's like we we should ask you get Bilas on Elgin Raved about Shaun Livingston's potential to Jim Gray saying quote. It might take a season. Take half a season by take a year and then. I wrote after or could take twelve months. J just in epic form and then Trying to think what else. Oh and And bilas ripped. The Josh Smith picked to shreds during a time. When I think I think he might have been able to hear at the draft when the guys were talking about the pick. I CAN'T REMEMBER. Bilas said quote if you had to pick which guy was most likely to be a bust in the first round. It'd be this guy. He has no right hand and he can't shoot Jay realist somebody. I woke up on the wrong side of the bed for this Ruto. So when we talk about Every jeff we try to figure out superstar all time Franchise Guy All star quality starter. Five star being a superstar superstar quality started being a one star guy. Dwight ends up. Would you say he was a four star all timer or three star franchise guy? 'cause I like. Is he like a three and a half? Yeah okay I like that. He's three and a half. He's he's straddling 'cause I don't think he's an all time because he didn't go down as one of the best fifty players ever but he did win defensive player of the year for three consecutive years and he did lead that franchise to the finals. Like the thing when you're looking at a number one draft pick you know first metric. Is Ken this player? Lead us to the finals and Dwight as a Yes. He did it in five years. I mean that's a very reasonable period of time for for a number one draft pick to take franchise to the finals and and it's not like Orlando was good when when they drafted him. I'm giving them a three and a half three and a half fare other that. There's no to star guaranteed all star guys in his draft. I think iggy was a one and a half. Dang's just a one. Jefferson's a one Kevin Martin's a one and then other than you know. Honestly Josh Smith was a borderline one. There was a moment in time there for a couple of years when people thought he was a top twenty five guy even though now that we know more about advanced metrics we'll go into that with him and then Okafor I think conceivably could have been in all star. If he stayed healthy he was right right on the French. So let's do Let's do the redraft What's redraft the two thousand four drafts so the order at the time was Orlando Charlotte Chicago Clippers? Washington TRADED TO DALLAS ATLANTA PHOENIX TORONTO. Philly Cleveland was our top ten. I'll give you the first pick okay. I mean it's white. It's it's easy we in this very podcast. Channel Took did a full evaluation of his whole career. We left wanting more out of him and yet for a period of time he was be dominant center in the game. He was the dominant center of of his era. And if something had clicked differently in terms of really psychologically he he could have been because he had all the physical tools he could have been a top fifty guy. I think I agree so we we just talked about how was a three and a half. He wasn't quite an Alzheimer. But he was a franchise guy but he was a little better than being a franchise guy I think. One of the interesting subplots careers. How unfunded was to have him as your franchise guy. I think Yau's another one where yeah awesome guy but if you had to watch how for eight months a year. Just wasn't that fun you know. It's like so much more fun. To have a franchise guy even when you had Gilbert Arenas for three years I guarantee that was way more fun than fifteen years of of Yao Ming. Not that he played fifteen years Alice. Fun Gilbert Way on Dwight is in such a weird spot. The Orlando Fans. Have such a conflicted relationship with him and we covered all that are pyramid pods. So there's not a lot to add but I think he's clearly the number one and I I think only a few times over the last twenty years says the first guy in the draft actually turned out to be the best guy in the draft right had with Anthony Davis You had with Lebron. Obviously but if you went through a it's Hamdan land. Tim Duncan but that's going into the nineties. If you're just going for for this these last twenty years it's pretty Pretty rare okay. So I'm on the clock at two picking eight. I of Obama for the clippers. I'm telling them not to trade backwards. Don't do that stay. Put bad idea that this extra sector pick the salary dubs it. One of the reasons did the salary dump by the way. I forgot to mention this. They thought they had a chance at Kobe. Oh interesting so they did that. And you know what and I think you I don't recall where we discussed it. They did have a shot at coby. It K- get well. He might have been. He might have been cocktails in them a little bit. Sure to to drum up some Lakers insurance. But so they did this where they trade back dump a contract and then. I think they did one other thing where they dumped another contract with us with that second. Pick to try to even clear more cap space and then as it turned out last-second come there Because I remember that year. That was the first year at Christie's tickets all the clippers people pissed off about it. Cuba's common here. We had the whole thing. We're set up for then. Boom didn't happen so who knows how serious he was about coming there. But that was one of the reasons backwards. So I'm taking dollar here really fascinating career I I remembered the philly years of his career being better offensively than they were. He really was was. He never even averaged twenty points. A game right. I think I remember writing about him at the time always felt feeling like he was miscast like He. He couldn't be the Paul Pierce Number. One score on the best team what he was was like. Pippa type and I think eventually they kind of realize that you look at the two thousand twelve season for him He goes so he. Averages nineteen point nine in oaid season which they don't do very well and from from o-7 through ten he's basically averaging about eighteen points a game. He's like forty five percent couldn't shoot threes and then as their team gets better and you remember they made the two thousand twelve run. Collins as the coach. He's kind of Moore. He's kind of morphing into what he would become. He's only two thousand twelve. Twelve points. A game six rebounds game five and a half assess one point seven steals He shoots thirty nine percent from three years only taking three a game and that's not that's affiliate team that had Lou Williams on it Spencer Ha has. It was a fun team. They took the celts to seven. Yeah who else was on that team? GotTa look it up. But that that's when he started emerging into I think what we thought he would eventually become then that year. That was the lockout season holidays. And that team Elton posted chilies out and Brand Evan Turner. They're still trying to figure out what he is so. The team had a lot of talent Dan up throwing him into that complicated. Dwight Howard Trade. That were they ended up getting aid. You're buying and that summer. He goes to Denver for one year ends up. They lose to Golden State then signs with Golden State the year after Golden State remember did the trade. With with Adrian's they added some first round picks to it. Try to create some calories space. They made this big move for Iggy and then he just completely reaons it. Reinvents himself on the On the Golden State teams. He becomes what we know him as a hall of Famer to us. You know we've had this conversation. We had it in the context of trying to properly Established the historical mark for Golden State. I think he is a hall of Famer because of the vital role the vital contribution that he made to Golden State I think the Golden State part of his career is the part of it that that takes him. I mean part of the thing we have to say it every time we talk about the NBA Hall of fame. The bar is very low right for what he did. I think his his addition to that team in his contribution to that team. Doing all the dirty work stuff. It was a great Finals MVP moment For the League that he won that by really just doing all the dirty stuff being the guy that was willing to do whatever it took to win and and I think you know in view of the legacy of that warriors team and what he meant to it i. I'm fine with him. Being in the hall of fame yes so in the following year they beat. Okay see to get to the finals. The seventy three win season and they come back and And they they end up Okay sees up three one in that series that come back in. He has a really good job on durant those last three games. So so in his golden state version of his peak he was the best guy in the league other than collide a guard. Lebron and Durant the two guys you had to shut down. I think for as a perimeter defender. It's funny I always had pippen and coli on their own plane. And that's it and then after that we'll discuss other people. Steve Kerr feels really strongly that Dolla was as good as those guys. Oh and I think even said that on a pod once he feels like it's a three person group not not a two person group and that all this stuff Drake do on defense lettuces. And how and Selfish. She was and what an awesome team he was. He just feels like he should be discussed with those guys he was on the same offense appear that pippen was golden state. Didn't really need him to be offensive player. That PIPPO has but I think he should be in the hall of fame and I. I think Robert Ory should be in the hall of fame too. I think both of those guys should be. I think playoff performance batters Knowing your role being an unselfish teammate. Coming through over and over again and big moments you look at fifteen sixteen and seventeen And then eighteen to Lebron. He's he's. He's a little bit older at that point but he's going against. Lebron when Lebron was just remember the Brute Force Lebron and the eighteen play officers. Kinda unstoppable I think all this stuff matters to me. He's off famer. I'll be interested to see if he gets in. But I'll tell you this if you're if you're picking second NBA draft and this is the guy you end up. But that's a pretty awesome pick. You know you for a guy that you know there are a couple of stats No looking at this there was a from two thousand six two thousand seven up through two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen. He averaged at least five rebounds and five assists six different times. In that era there was only one other player. Who did it more times. That was Lebron from two thousand four. Two thousand five up to two thousand thirteen fourteen. He trailed only one other player in that entire a time period in terms of overall steals. That was Chris Paul like that. That's the part of this. Translating figgis impact on the game he in the upper echelon of you know filling up the bucket with a lot of different winning attributes and the Golden State experience showed us how all that translates into meaningful winning impact. So I'm good with it. I'm good with Iggy and I think the funny thing about this draft. I was prepared to ask you why you kept inviting me On these terrible showed drafts crappy drafts but looking at this draft. There are a lot of third bananas. A lot of guys that were that were important to you know. They found themselves in situations and made an impact as third bananas. Not a Lotta topping in. Isn't this draft. I don't mind this draft. I am I don't I think it's pretty good. I I you know if he ends up being the second guy in the draft. Obviously that's not going to compare to. Oh three or ninety eight or some the ones we've done but you know he was the guy that I look at the advanced metrics for him. Basically from his his first goal stays state season on his. Pr Just sucks. It's like fourteen or lower year. He was never a guy for the traditional basketball cards. Stats way we fantasy guy all that stuff it was always the intangibles and just would an awesome defensive player. He was right really was really spectacular. So I like that is I think he's a strong second pick. Who Take it third. I'm going to go with Lou. All Dang The the combination of his ability to be on the basketball court all the minutes that he played he. He played all of all eighty two games like in a in the first six seasons like five out of the sixties. Something like that something crazy. In two thousand six seven he averaged nearly nineteen point seven rebounds two and a half since one point two steals the that was all him at that point of his career without a three point shot and then he came on with a three pointer later really extended his his career. That way was a meaningful impactful player for a great chunk of his career. I have no regrets about taking him. Third in this draft yet. It's funny all of a sudden. He washed up because he had a nice little comeback season with Miami in Two Thousand Sixteen. The made the playoffs and then he was afraid that year and that happened to be there. The cap like spiked in the Lakers signed him for like seventy million. I remember liking the deal for the Lakers. 'cause I was like Lua. Thanks still good. That guy you know he. He was a three D. guy when everybody needed three D. guy and it seemed like he had a lot left in the tank. He went to the Lakers and his career. Just as it's over it's Danica But it makes sense when you look at his basketball reference where it's like. The Guy Plays Nine hundred and two games but he plays. Oh almost thirty one thousand minutes see averages thirty four minutes game for his career and he led the League in minutes in two thousand twelve and thirteen almost played forty minutes a game a couple times the first part of his career. It's pre load management. They also had some medical staff stuff with him where remember they had that spinal tap? That got so. Yeah it's really fucked them up and that's right. There was some real like medical malpractice with him and And then he got thrown into. I remember being on Countdown when they did that Luau. Dang salary dump trade when they they basically got buying. Them's expiring contract. That they could wave there. Were still a playoff team at that point and they just dumped them to save money and I went on countdown and I killed the Bulls Poor Doug Collins almost had a heart attack. Somebody Chicago ties and I was just like this is ridiculous. They're the in the third biggest market in the league. They're trying to to save pennies and cut corners. And it's like if I'm a bulls fan out just being raged like you still have a chance to make a dent in the playoffs. Had site the second team in the East is not you know not set in stone. Why would you give up on the season? Doug like all the CIA blood drained from his body so bummed out but you know I. I really thought he had a good career. He doesn't have kind of a defining moment right here. That K give me your three. Greatest Luau Dang moments. I'm not sure I could come up with three. The nine playoffs is really fine against the Celtics. I think that was one of the best first round series of of of all time. I remember probably their greatest win was when they stopped the Bulls. Twenty seven game win streak right number. That stops the the Miami. Yeah the he member that yes right. It was a great game too I. That's a game that game. Should that should be a hardwood classics? You need to do one of those. You should put that up on the twitter. I'M GONNA look up when that happened. Keep talking about Luo. Dang Wa look this up well He. He ended up among the two thousand four draft class. He ended up fourth in career minutes and fourth in points out of this class and he was third in his class. In wind shares. The advanced met a metric. So I you know there's there are other talents will go through here but like Nice steady solid guy that you can count on fine third banana so they beat they beat Miami March twenty seven two thousand thirteen. Maybe the best regular season game of this of this decade other than that. Okay see game. When steph hits the 35-footer to beat Okay See Lua Dang forty four minutes. Twenty eight point. Sev rebounds five assists going against Lebron. Lebron had thirty two Also playing big minutes for that bulls team Jimmy Butler forty three minutes Carlos Boozer with a twenty one. Seventeen Yup and then I ninety Muhammad's in there. This is kind of weird. Nate Robinson was six for ten off the bench but But maybe that was Lou. Thanks greatest moment I duNno. I enjoyed them. I I I would. I like the alternate universe where the Sun's just keep that pick at seven. Wow they don't sign Quentin Richardson. And he's just there in the sons playing seven seconds or less. I think that's a way more fun version of his career. So bad for him okay. I'm on the clock with the fourth. Pick it's funny. I did a preliminary list. Josh Smith at the fourth pick. Then I started thinking about it and I was like wait a second. I couldn't stand watching Josh Smith and the Guy Never won anything. What am I doing so audible and did really deep dive this. I'm taking out Jefferson. Sure I get it way better career than I think people remember and I think people remember that Cagey trade with the Celtics as they you know. They just gave away K. G. Not True at all they got a bunch of number and picks in that trade or guys been picked picking the first round. Jefferson was a real prize is twenty two years old from two thousand eight to two thousand fourteen. He averaged twenty and ten fifty percent field goal. Two Thousand Fourteen Joe House all MBA third team on Charlotte eighth and the MVP voting Never WanNa play offs. There's just horrendous luck. With radler that teams. He landed also involved in one of my favorite underrated terrible. David Kahn Trades summer. Two thousand ten. He Trades Al Jefferson. Utah for Kosta couscous. A non lottery two thousand eleven picked that turned out to be Dinata deny might've HEUNIS and non lottery ticket two thousand twelve which turned out to be Terri- Jones House. I think we have officially identified. The Poo Poo platter out Jefferson for Kosta Kufa's and two picks that lit out to be Monte Unison Interns Jones so the thing Jefferson that that in I feel I. I'm really attached to this one because I watch a lot of Celtic Games. Those mid-2000s in really was just waiting and waiting for him to make the leap. He gets hurt in year. Two right is right as it feels like. It's going to happen. I forget if it was like a spray near sprained ankle at some sort of leg injury and it really set him back like right when he was starting to really show potentially gets hurt then that owes seventeen. They're tanking for. Tim Duncan that that's like a throwaway season but he's still averages sixteen eleven in tanking season near three at that point. He's twenty one years old and had some like Mikhail low post. Like you know. He had dropped steps. He jumped he jumped. Looks either either side. The old man low post game old goes to Minnesota. They've got to their team in the K. G. Trade. So now he's out. Another terrible team puts up twenty one or eleven for them that year We go into the O. Eight nine season now. He's got Kevin Love as a rookie on his team. He's playing great. He's twenty three eleven fifty percent shooting at that point he is. He's born in nineteen eighty five. He's twenty four years old. Put Up Twenty. Three in eleven blows out his knee bomber. Then here's the other thing if they'd just taken steph curry instead a Johnny Flynn now. He's on a team was steph curry and And Kevin Love and now. Jefferson becomes quickly. Clear that maybe you don't WanNa play out. Jefferson and Kevin. Love on. The same team said two thousand ten. They kind of panic after he's coming off the ACL and they deal the Utah and he puts up eat from the next four five seasons. He's really good ends up. Getting traded to signs of Charlotte is a free agent. Makes Thirteen Mambi A. I thought he had a really good career now and I really honestly strongly feel like if you play his career twenty times. I think this might be one of the worst versions of it. There's a whole other scenario where he ends up. The he never gets hurt early. He never blows out his knee He ends up on a teen that uses him better and I just like them. Would you of him? Incredible value at fifteen Yeah and as much as we just you know express skepticism and and gave age and the Celtics Scouting Department. You know A get out of jail free card. With the Robert Smith Analysis having Al Jefferson as their backup and and I would say looking at this draft in its totality. Boston did awesome with all three of their picks Boston. One this draft in terms of you know filling needs and getting meaningful. Nba Player. Who went on to to you? Know make great contributions for other teams with Tony Allen Delaunay but Dante was important to Boston for a little bit also. He also is somebody that they were able to throw in the radio and trade right so he he ended up if you look at how they built the baked three. A lot of it happens because of this draft and the they went three for three with picks which usually doesn't happen in the TAB Ramos. They mistook Bob Swift. It's it's better to be lucky than good. That's what that means. Yeah I feel bad now. I don't feel too bad for our because he had a good career he made it all MBA team. And how much money did he make? Let's see he made hundred thirty seven million dollars out fine pretty good. Yeah not bad okay So that pick would have been for the clippers in a redraft end so he will all the bad things that happened to him again if he ended up in the clippers Europe at number five. So I am going to take Josh Smith. I think you know it's funny looking back. This is one of those situations where I'm prepared to be kinder now than I would've been while he was playing because while he was playing. I you can't get out of your head you can't take out of your eyes. How terrible three point shooter? He was and how insistent he wasn't shooting the three. He really beat Russell. Westbrook to the punch in terms of being a prolific three point attempt or and a prolific three point Mr. He just loved to Miss Three pointers. But there this this stat that that I encountered in the research Shout out to the bleacher report folks. This is incredible. He is the only player in NBA history to have an average across five categories of over fourteen points over seven rebounds over three assists one point nine blocks and one point two steals. He played thirteen seasons. If you took out the steals Tim Duncan and Kareem would join him in on this list. Those are pretty good names. That's pretty good company for Josh Smith and the thing that I do remember about him was how fast he was off his feet. He was a great great shot blocker. He had four seasons with at least two blocks a game tied for fourth most in NBA history by player. Six nine or shorter so like a lot of stuff. Like you know I opening stuff just couldn't put it all together and so the you as we had the the the fun breakdown of all Dang's most impactful game. Obviously for Josh Smith is most impactful. Game was at fourth quarter against the clippers and the playoffs right. Josh Smith I had seven or add I had eight and my board okay from two thousand nine and two thousand thirteen seventeen and nine three point. Two stocks blocks plus steals. Yeah Seventy Three playoff games. He played in fifteen and seven forty three percent shooting sixty three percent from the line. We need to look at that way. It's a and I don't think we fully realize that at the time I think we realize it now especially as we can understand advanced metrics better. He's just not a winning basketball player. If you have a guy who can't really control the boards for you. But he has to play the four of the five and he can't shoot but the best thing he can do is like how he how he protects the rim but more as like a blindside weakside blocker Kinda guy not. He wasn't like Bill Russell but he was good at like he was great at coming out of nowhere. Learn of things. I just don't know how you actually win with somebody like that would be my question on. And it was proven out. I mean you know those permanent because they never they never wanted if they were the bright the turnovers in the midst threes. You know your average two and a half turnovers. It's funny because I remember in the so eight hawks who gave the Celtics everything they can handle on a seven game series member. An that was one of those things where it's like. Oh my God are the Celtics GonNa Choke in the series right in. My memory is of Joe Johnson Horford and then the athleticism Josh Smith and I just had this memory of Josh Smith. Being good in that series. Then you look up the stats. He was sixteen and six. He shot forty percent for the field and he he. He was three for eighteen for the three point line It's just not not a winning player. There were guys that I liked more than him. Also like can we gloss over the part where Detroit sign same and within like two years. Stan is just buying him out. Whole just like please. I'll carry your dead money. Please leave part of his legacy. Quite a legacy. I still feel like if he was the seventeenth. Pick that's pretty good for the seventeenth. Pack I had him ranked eighth. You had him ranked fifth route. One other thing within part of the Rasheed Wallace Straight. Oh okay yeah me meaningful He owed four when a Cherie ends up on Atlanta and Rashid's like I'm not playing in Atlanta and they have to do they have to scramble. They get multiple teams evolved. The Celtics about that's how the Celtics Got Tony Allen and then that's how Atlanta and getting Josh so they ran away the Celtics got she. Tony Allen was drafted Celtics right. That's how they got three hector drafter got it got it okay took Chucky Atkins his salary which I was mad about the time to get this twenty fifth. Pick TURN OUT TO BE Tony Allen Atlanta's just like all right sure will flip Rasheed. Who had for three days if you give us your first and all of a sudden they had that so there you go. I had a V on my board. I'm delighted to get him six. Kevin Martin Okay from Oh seven eleven twenty two point four points a game percentages were forty four thirty nine eighty seven for his career. Seventeen point four points a game thirty eight percent three point shooter and I think somebody that As the league evolved made more more sense as it went. You know I think because he's in the heart and trade because they felt like he could fill a lot of the offense that they lost when hard and was in there and then he just wasn't a good fit and didn't didn't do great in the playoffs and then his career goes downhill. After that. I think people forget that he was actually pretty good for a while. I mean he. He was a guy that year after year was putting up twenty two points. Yeah he's he's one dimensional. He's a pure. He's the only player in this draft with the fifty point game. Yeah and and that that you know that really to me set tells the whole Kevin Martin story being. He was a prolific scorer with the percentages. That you just talked about you know. But that was his single impact on the game. You you like them as a third banana fourth banana kind of guy and that's it in two thousand. Thirteen playoffs plays eleven games for the thunder. Fourteen points a game thirty seven percent from three. So I'm looks great. I just remember in the playoffs. Feeling like they can't hide him on defense. I don't trust them. I don't think he's ready for this. And if you look at. He only played in three playoffs in his entire career. He did make a he did make some money though house. The eighty three million dollars rate and was in involved in some goofy trades. See was involved in the that crazy. Houston SACRAMENTO NEW YORK. That whole trade in two thousand ten were T. Mac ended up going to the next. He was involved in the Chris. Paul Trade that That never happened right. Basketball reasons in two thousand twelve is involved in the heart of trade and then in two thousand thirteen was involved in another three to every trade he was in. There's at least three teams and he's one of those people. He always had value but the team that had him always seem pretty happy to trade him. So I don't know what that means but I'm taking him six to Daven number seven I'm GonNa go with Trevor Aretha here The bottom six. Yeah the the entire body of work over the career. I honestly gave consideration to putting him in to that five slot instead of of Josh Smith. But just the the reason I have Smith is because Smith was a five to a guy and was so impactful on on with blocks but trevor. You know the thing that that's funny. Who Do you have as your like the art? The the original three and D guy because this the I would say a Reza's in on that list like who who is the first three guy is that became a thing in the league is a league. You know sort of pointed in that direction. Well so this was that time late. Two thousands is when we really started talking about three and guys and railway. 'cause that's why not James Posey and the Celtics is it just all the sudden it became. Oh we should try to find these guys but if you go backwards I think Michael Cooper Oh sure okay. He's probably the first three D guy because he actually had three point range but and play defense and those were the two things he did so the the one point. Oh three point. Three D. guy and then Eventually it evolves but Yeah Reza. Two thousand nine in the finals forty eight percent from three. But we did. We did one of those games for The basketball pot as a like a pseudo. Oh nine game four. And he's out there in crunch time. He was a great wingman for Kobe. Everything you'd want from the three spot and And was just really valuable for them and then ended up leaving. They didn't have the cavs face to keep them but has had a good cricket. You had him on the WHIZ. You had him twice on the woods. The first time he was good on the Wiz he was good. In fact the wiz speaking of cap space decisions came off of a playoff series. I can't recall the year now. They had to make a decision between March Ingore. Tot and a reason. They couldn't keep both they they alleged And so they they kept Cortott. Let a Reza go. But a reason was was a very meaningful and impactful for You know a little playoffs Ross. Stretch run that the Wiz win on and and you know He. He played the role perfectly. That three indie role for the wiz. The second trade was horrendous. In really the second trade was the thing that ultimately may serve franchise. Well because it's the trade that led I think most directly to Grunfeld finally getting fired. You know it only takes fifty years. Yeah because they gave up Kelly oubre and brought back Trevor Rees On the idea that it was you know they try and make the playoffs A couple years ago when they had no chance whatsoever one thing with him the smart teams. Oh his targeted him. The rockets signed him in two thousand nine and then went back but went back for seconds. Two thousand fourteen which I thought was funny. I remember talking to Darryl about that. 'cause a reason they signed a five years nine. They traded him year later and then they go back. What was that like with? Did a reason forgive? You don't know if he's totally happy. We traded him. But speaking of trades. GotTa do this for the audience. It's a trade. It's a trade bonanza for him so it starts. He's traded by the New York Knicks with Penny Hardaway as expiring contract in February. Two thousand six for Steve Francis a trade that at the time was reprehensible because they're putting St Francis and Stefan Barbara together with Labor. Labor is the coach. The irony of it is. We'd already seen them as the backward of the Oh four Olympic team that everyone hated watching and led to Us completely remodeling Olympic team system. So good move by Zach Thomas there. Oh seven gets traded to the Lakers for Brian. Cook and Mo- Evans. Which was a hijacking. This is in. Oh seven the NBA just decides. We need to get Kobe. Better players were telling Orlando to give to give. Trevor Ariza Lakers were telling Memphis to give pouch Assad or the Lakers. So yeah you Lakers. Fans HATE IS TO TEAR. Trevor Rees a impact for nothing powder. I'll never I'll never forgive. I'll never finance or well. We got Marcus. Marcus was three hundred seventy pounds and then shaved got made. There's no no getting Oliver Miller tractor trailer. Two thousand ten August traded by Houston new New Orleans. New Orleans Trades Darren Collison and James Posted Indiana Indiana Troy Murphy New Jersey in New Jersey Trades Courtney Lee to Houston Salak on on in that trade. I think it's funny. That Indiana traded awake. I didn't get guys back. That might be the only time that ever happened. But I think New Orleans crew clearly win that trade big day I mean not not I mean Indiana Trade trae Murphy for Collison imposing which. I think pretty good two thousand twelve June traded with Meko Kuffour to Washington for the Rashard Lewis Contract. That you've been dying to get rid of forever and the two thousand twelve second grade that was one and not only Rashard Lewis but I a great big bag of hgh with along with it worked out. Great two thousand fourteen other bizarre one traded by Washington back to Houston Houston Trades Omar Oedema recast being cash and a bag of Shit to New Orleans. New Orleans Trades Alonzo. Geez Scotty Hopson in two thousand fifteen I to Houston. That took Sam Dekker. A rare terrible Hoffer Houston and then new. Orleans traded. Melvin Eli to Washington so that would trade. That was where Washington couldn't afford. They decided they couldn't afford trevor and so they just did the trade. You know to to avoid having to pay him. They couldn't pan the extension. Well you got Melvin. Eli Out of that. So congrats Dan. He's traded by Phoenix to Washington for Kelly. Oubre and Austin rivers. John is a disaster. God I'm GonNa Curse. It's fucking unforgivable. I mean it's weird. It's a goddamn confess after fifteen years of of malpractice one last goddamn on the top motherfucking malpractice. I'm sorry for all the F. Bombs get signed by Sacramento is a free agent data side. That didn't work out. They trade him to Portland for Kent Bays More Anthony Tolliver and a couple of seconds which was a semi salary dump for Sacramento. An expiring. Back Portland's trying to get somebody who's better so he's been on nine teams just at an incredible run for him. All right With the eighth paycheck. I'm taking the guy was seventh on my board Mecca. Okafor I seven years. Thirteen and ten may be your career over again. I could find a better back. Surgeon Forum it. I just like the valium getting there. Who He'd taken nine Jamir Jamir Nelson. You remember. That Jamir made an all star team. Not ALONE IS DEBATE. All Star teams On this list but you know he was Point Guard on a team that went to the finals. He and Dwight together. You know took that Orlando Franchise to to the finals within five years of age of getting drafted meaningful career. Top Ten talent out of this draft. I I don't have any issue with it. His problem is he couldn't really shoot. He wasn't a great shooter. That's the problem with Jamir Nelson. He was he was just one of those guys though. Yeah there's a million reasons to talk yourself out of But he was a guy that in big games was really comfortable and I think if he doesn't get hurt in no nine that series might be different too because he's coming back he's playing with one shoulder basically and he's just right same guy. We're in the stretch of a draft right now where It's all role players. You Got Tony Allen and Anderson Varejao Beer Nelson Ben Gordon as a six man he checked. Jr Smith Devin Harris be agents. Little Josh childress On and on and on I am taking Tony Allen with the tenth. Pick okay Dum Dum knee injury right as his career was was starting to take off as a role guy where he dunked after the whistle hung on the rim came down and blew out his ACL. The single dumbest ACO injury probably the last twenty years Didn't really play on the. Oh eight Celtics. They just couldn't shoot so they couldn't put him out there but Had A better run with them. No nine and two thousand ten But really didn't take off until Memphis and Memphis. His career falls into place. Three first team all defenses. Three second team all defenses was probably the best defensive guard of a bad a seven eight years stretched error whereas if you could put one guard on Chris Paul Kobe Bryant Pick anybody anybody under six foot six and then honestly could probably have at least made Carmelo and Guys I doubt work. I think Lebron was probably the cutoff because he's was in a wasn't strong enough to guard. Gaza that but was just an awesome grizzly in the grizzlies. They beat the Spurs in two thousand eleven. A an which was a real upset. But when you look at the Spurs from eleven fourteen. It's a real blip because that team for four years was great and I and they beat him. His single biggest contribution was helping that team achieve an identity. He established and identity for that team. He was a a force of will guy right. He just through his work ethic and a a rare instance of defensive player Inspiring his team to a level of play. You don't see it very often. And you know the stretch of time that he was a Memphis teams. Were able to play four on five against him defensively right because he could not do anything offensively but what he did in terms of giving that team and that city really a basketball identity immeasurable. I would say a really fun for some Zach. Marcus saw Conley Tony Allen Man and they could never find that V shooter. They tried so many different guys. And let's bear Rudy. Gay was in there for a little bit tasty prance they never. I remember that one year Jalen and I did the Western finals for countdown in and we were joking about Jalen just signing with the grizzlies. Because he was like I could make that twenty four footer in the corner. I can make it now. I can stretch the floor. But I liked him in and he's the guy that stayed memphis in close with our friend. Verna goes on his radio. Show all the time so. That's all right. The eleventh pick four picks left. I get to take Devin Harris Right. You didn't take him now. Yeah I'm taking him another guy. He made the All star team you. We're we're down to the to the point where there aren't a lot of guys left. Who actually made an all star team averaged over twenty one points in nearly seven assists a game in two thousand eight two thousand nine year. He made that all star team. Amazing Long Career. Fast Guy Backed up Jason Terry on that Two thousand six finals team that you know He. He where he played an important role in that Dallas Finals team the two thousand sixteen Just a long career. He found himself needing to come up with a three pointer to be successful in the league. He and he kind of did it. nothing was too late though by the eat did the speed was there. It was always always unclear. If you count on him in a big game I remember really not trusting him in. Oh Six oh seven never feeling great for them sure news at their and oh seven like he really he got a really was one of the guys that got worked by that. Golden State backward Any no solid career town. I feel like the talent was higher than what the career was. But you know he did. Make an all star team. I can't I can't knock that pick Well now it's really slim pickens with these last three. I WanNa take Anderson Varejao because at the very least. I know that he could play on a really good team in playoff games in not hurt me. So we're at that point of this draft right. He's he's one of the guys at five guys on the. Oh seven cavs are playing big minutes. And he's one of the five and he's out there and he's you know credit to him. They beat the Pistons. This this really Nice Pistons run where they're really big. The Wallace brothers. Still the whole thing and And you know. They went toe to toe with. Those guys would just him and drew gooden. I mean he made an all defensive team the problem with the only knock because he couldn't stay on the court. I mean you you have to play to to to be really valuable to your team. And he just couldn't stay healthy but you're right you know. He was an important player For a meaningful stretch of those Cleveland. Teams You know at this stage. That's there's nothing wrong with that. Taking Andy at this point of the draft. He was also a beloved teammate and Somebody that Lebron really liked and this is when Lebron started to get power there those last couple cavs years and they signed him to a really bad contract. hold on. I'm looking to make sure wanted to make sure the wallace brothers were the was. We're both wallace brothers on that. Oh seven piston. Steam Ben Wallace was gone by then thousand when he had signed me Chicago. They're still going against Rasheed Chris. Webber Antonio mcdyess those were the big guys that year and bears Zhao. Put up the eight and six played twenty five minutes a game But he was one of those guys when you saw him on the court. He was like your classic. Oh Man I love that. Guy Great Energy. I know what he is. He's playing twenty twenty five minutes game. He doesn't hurt me. In the right spots he finishes good offensive rebounder and people always left out the part that he couldn't stand the fucking court right get hurt all the time it was it was always nuts like he has seasons two thousand eleven thirty one games two thousand twelve twenty five two thousand thirteen twenty five two thousand fifteen twenty six two thousand sixteen thirty one the Golden State get some in in two thousand sixteen and seventeen barely poised for them either but is in some playoff games for them plays in the seventeen team up sorry the sixteen team he He actually gets UM running game. Seven against the cavs goes against his old team. So anyway Decent tenth man. If you could get him do you have for the thirteenth pick. I do it. I know you want to take them. I am going to take Jr Smith. I really wanted to do Shaun Livingston because of you know what he meant to Golden State and you know the the impact he had as as a winner. He turned out to be a winner. A winning player Shaun Livingston. But there's just nothing there in terms of of you know career statistics career contribution and it's all because of the devastating knee injury so I feel bad but it's gotta be Jr here because you know by far leads this entire draft class in threes. It's not even close. I mean He he had you know. Nineteen One thousand nine hundred and twenty nine career threes. He shot thirty over thirty seven percent and average double figures in eleven different seasons. You know very reliable. Three point shooter. Also had you know Was a good leaper back in the day and he was tough guided the to defend like a lot of athleticism when he was young. Came out of high school Obviously we all recall what he did to Lebron and the cavs but look you know he also was was important player on that two thousand sixteen team that beat Golden State so yeah the case for JR is this. And I. I probably should've taken him over Verragio. He played big minutes for good teams. That oh nine. Nuggets lost four to Lakers the two thousand nine Western finals. He's playing twenty seven minutes a game for them. The two thousand thirteen knicks which were the second best team in the east that year they lose to Indiana and round to But there was a run their where we thought. Oh my God this team. This might be finals contender. He's playing thirty two minutes a game for them that year. The cavs all the way through those four years. He's one of their starters and in two thousand sixteen. He's out there in crunch time in doing stuff and right. He played thirty five minutes. A game in the two thousand. Sixteen playoffs Yes Oh interesting. Two Thousand Sixteen playoffs line. He scores eleven point. Five points a game in thirty five minutes. But he'd take seven threes a game forty three percent so basically is he's averaging one free throw a game all he's doing is just he's in the corner and they're just say Jr all you're going to shoot. Three's play defense. Do nothing else do. Nothing don't do anything. Don't even think about doing anything you don't WanNa think ever never think Jr. I should've taken him before Varejao. That was stupid. The the other guy I'm GonNa take them fourteen and then we'll make Shaun Livingston and Honorary Fifteenth Pick Race Great. You know if you do his career twenty times. I was going to those games early. Shaun Livingston we had a chance to be great. I don't mean good. I think he would have been in six time all star. It's a testament to his athleticism that he had a second career with with with a leg. That was not capable of being repaired or restored to what he was before. Think about what kind of Athlete. You have to be to basically come within you. Know a whisper of losing a leg and a fully come all the way back and have a long run after that but he was an incredible athlete in the first three years he was in the League. Yeah he that. Oh six clippers team which really had a chance to make the finals and really got really just had a couple of bad breaks in the playoffs but he you know they got. They had gotten same casella that year and Livingston became by the end of that year. It's a second year of his career. He's the third guard he's the he's the first guard off the bench. He played twenty eight minutes a game for that team and he was putting up seven points but he was five and five and rebounds and assess and was a really good defensive player. I think the thing that stood out pretty early with him was his passing and his defense. And that's why I thought he had a chance to be special. Sure you could make. Casey went to the wrong team because he goes there. And they get cosell and it's right when he really just should have been playing. Yeah you think about like Damian. Lillard goes to Portland and they're just like here the car keys. This is your team. Now and and Darren Williams and Chris Paul and New Orleans things like that I think Shaun Livingston was as good as those guys I really do. I think he would have been just an awesome pro. He was such a good passer and he was so athletic and he was so smart. And you could see by the time he got to Golden State and in Kinda redid his career as a role guy just the intelligence he had made up for. All the stuffy loss by basically being on one leg was still awesome so the fact that he ended up playing until he played eight hundred and thirty three games with the injury that he had as possible he. He's been over his knee exploded. That's right so I feel bad for him. I think there's an alternate universe where he does get hurt and do this draft and he's either first or second and probably I sure I. I honestly think he would have been in a multiple NBA Guy I'm GonNa Take Ben Gordon Fourteenth. Okay could make a case that he should have gone higher because you know he his stats. For a couple years. There are comparable to the Kevin Martin stats inventing the three point shootings better. You look at it now. And if he didn't know any better you would think like. Wow this guy is like the perfect guy for now you know. He's he's got those last four really his whole bowls career. Jesus even as a rookie. He was good on the bose. His five full seasons is eighteen and a half a game. Forty one point five percent from three and he's taken four point two free throws a game like we thought this guy was better. Vinnie Johnson. And maybe with a chance to be injure. Tony could really guard anyone. He was only six three. He could get exploited on that end but Was just an awesome awesome guide to have on your team in the nine plants into the Celtics was a problem. We were terrified. Him GOES TO DETROIT and end his career. Jobs spirals he should have been Kemba Walker. That's been yeah like He. You know he he. He was very good. As a shooter very impactful negligible defender but like well. Why wasn't he Kemba? Didn't I wasn't an opportunity situation. Well Derrick rose goes there for the last two last year of his career but I still could play together. You look so the seven game series. They had against the Celtics Legendary Series. Some of the to two or three of the best round one games. We've had he plays forty three point. Four minutes a game in that series twenty four point three points a game take six and a half threes makes thirty seven percent of gets to the line eight times a game. And that's why he and up that Pistons contract and I was fine with it. I thought Ben Gordon was great. I don't know what happened to him. You're basically getting if you're taking him in the redraft you know you're getting five years and then it just it just completely falls apart. He a lot of personal issues. He battled depression. I feel bad for him but I'm with you like he was offensively. He was a Kemba type talent. I don't think he was the same ball. Hinder that Kumbo has. But he was somebody that you can clear out his get shot. Yeah you know We were so impressed by what he did for U. Conn in that. Run that we we thought. Oh you know this that third pick was was a very solid you know very and it was. We were right for five years. I I wish I knew. I wish I knew what happened. All right so if you have yet to pick one guy in this draft the kind of still have given up on who is still haven't given up on minds Livingston. I I am a thousand million percent in on. He would have been great. I think it's such a bummer. That played out the way it did. So I I still feel an attachment to Livingston I also I gotTa say I always kind of enjoyed David. Harrison and Indiana. Remember him that center. He's a tough guy. I remember thinking like That's somebody that I could see that guy in the right situation but he never made it. I mean May- maybe be Adrian's we didn't even put be agents in our top fifteen now But I think he could be super successful in the current iteration of the League. I mean I think right now with the his running ability that lettuce system right while another guy like that is Durell rate. I think you know now the three in Dui Beano dre. We also didn't get drafted he had. He had some cups of coffee. He was earn kind of Fisher. Third Guard not ideal. But if he's fourth guard awesome. And then I via chick who we achieved SARS Zach Lowe. We change who was out there on the court and big moments for for teams that won title. So he's got to be mentioned to Christiaan had a couple cups of coffee of potentially being somebody. Us around and Josh was interesting enough that he ended up getting huge contract and then things fell apart. Pretty quickly never never really figured out what happened. There did have you given up on Popeye Essau yet or no. I gave up on him when he got drafted Lionel. Chalmers I mean what about Manja but GRAPPA G yet crapper Manja Crap Pavel. What a draft over one of the one of the most unlikable drafts ever and I'm so frustrated by how it turned out for. Twelve of these guys you know. What two thousand four draught. Great after six bloody Marys Joe House a pleasure so his good to see you you as well thank you. That's it for the two thousand and four re draftable stay tuned for two thousand five. You can hear it first on the BS. Podcast on Sunday night and then it will eventually land here a couple of days later see.

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Best Of (Warriors/Raptors Game 2, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Durant)

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Best Of (Warriors/Raptors Game 2, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Durant)

"Welcome to the podcast. I'm your host Jenny. Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon. Let's go. Welcome. Live from Los Angeles. I'm Jen any tabs here with men who junction and may lose and Shannon Sharpe wounded. Guys out. We wanna will stop. We want to welcome chin who's going to be with us because Ginny Taft is covering the World Cup on FOX in France. That's tough duty and Jin for those who don't know covers the pelicans in New Orleans, and the NFL on FOX, so welcome. And now the show starts William J and try to change the subject at hand. No. You already Tweety last night. Oh, she had a shop? I beat about three cases nectar on a guy. So I want to announce I am so impressed in so shocked that sharp a domino, even showed up for work today after I beat him out of three cases and for the record, I want to know before we even get this show going, I did not trickle into this bet did I did not. Because you propose the bet I won't today. Your I'll proposed what can they do to? As you said, too. I said sorry, because I have the courage of my convictions, and I want, even though they lost Klay Thompson to injury. And they lost von looney to injury and Steph had some weird free game dehydration going on. It was just inexplicable. I one despite all of that for I was up against it. And I didn't even ask for the points because Golden State went into that game as a two point dog, and I said, Nope, I got this period. No points. Thank your predatory lending. No, I have your morning you prayed on my vote ability. Did I start did? I say, hey, let's make a bed. No. You, did you want you on are you one case you make two oh, tell you what we wanna do to laugh, make it three. Okay. So now you want some intervention from above to save you from yourself. Like I broke the rule. In this bed in case that was original bit. I'll get your trying to Welsh on the cases. And that's this is Alan rate wrong. Nice. Is. Stuff. Last night. The warriors they did go on an epic eighteen run in the second half time, the series one to one but get mentioned they lost one of their stars in the fourth quarter Klay Thompson fell awkwardly after shooting jumper. He had to leave the game tightness in that hamstring. Late in the fourth quarter Danny green hit a three to cut the warriors lead to too, but closing seconds rafters. Choose not to foul ball swings around to a wide open. Andrea Iguala nails. The game clinching three the warriors win by five with game three on Wednesday in the bay. So despite the terms of that bed. I know you're very upset of how. What last night more about Golden State or more about the raptor, on us more about the warriors, give those guys credit they showed it in clay mention this. Even though they lost. He says, I think will back bat bounce back and show the character champ house after game one game one loss. Draymond was unbelievable game. He was one assist away from a triple double us. Steph played. Steph, boogie cousins gave him tremendous minutes after only played eight minutes in game one and really being a non factor eleven ten and six he played really, really well, Ega did Iggy if you noticed they something switched, it now all of a sudden they don't put Iggy on, on a qua- Klay take away some not all, but, but some, it was more and more clay, I agree. Yes. Until he goes down and out. Let's give the biggest thing would happen within game with in the first quarter because Toronto really had it going, and no one can make a shop for the warriors accent, one guy. In. He was the guy that kept them attach, and that was clay. He was since ational. I mean there were times that they pass the ball in the ball had barely touched his hand and it was up in the air, and it was four three somebody picked clay to be the MVP series. But I don't know who that was the whole, I forget, is that your. Go ahead was about the war in Clayton keeping them attaching, and I thought another thing that they did get even though they were not getting shots to fall. They found a way to get to the free through land. They shot thirteen free throws into first quarter. Shot, nineteen in the first half mystery but the missile reading, but they were able to get cheap points and keep themselves to keep the raptor from running away from this ballgame because the crowd was electric early. The head shots falling Kawai was doing what he was doing early on. And so he like, okay, okay. But Claes like nah, I'm not gonna let you guys wouldn't hide and it was killing. You got it. You got it. You got it because I've see I've seen this before. I remember watching this clear over like game three last year clay instead for coal and Katie. Can't miss their even though they're big. You're like man. I don't feel comfortable, and I'm sure the raptors and their fan felt the same way as I'm feeling sitting there watching the game knowing that a game that you're up three or four, you're. Really should probably double digits considering how poorly shooting the ball from the field but clay kept them attach. And then Steph, all of a sudden found a way to get to the free through land, and what was it late work three minutes? Four minutes left in the second half. I mean, second quarter before clay clay step scored his first basket from the field and then he goes in a mobile. And in the next thing, you know. So you feeling good. It's five and half. That was at one point twelve. That's what they do. That's what so demoralized out skip. Is that you have an opportunity you like we obtain we're up twelve we're fifteen and we're two minutes from the half we're by going to the have a double digit lead feeling really good about ourselves. And the next thing you know. No, you're not. You go into the half with five point lead in the war is saying, as bad as we played. Yep. It's good as they played their only five this make this run and what happened in the second start to second half. He finished up. Good. It's my turn. You actually made a few good points that I'm going to give you. But you obviously miss the biggest point which I will get to in just a moment. But my favorite postgame, quote came from the mouth of Steph curry, who said, our DNA showed up. They got championship metal whatever you wanna call that stuff that's inside them. It just manifested itself right on schedule when they were twelve points down. Obviously, DeMarcus cousins saved them save the whole night after kevon looney went down in some ways, I think, Kvant looney is even more valuable than DeMarcus because kevon looney is a much better pick and roll defender than DeMarcus, and he's a much better pick setter than DeMarcus. But DeMarcus can flow with the basketball he can steal the room. And he can rebound. He's just he's a mountain of a man, and he was stood. In fact, you look at your soul stat sheet. He just erase Casale last night. So I will give you that. But that was the miracle is that DeMarcus cousins has returned from a torn quad, not a ruptured, but a torn quad just seven weeks after he did that on April fifteenth. That's a miracle, but the painful irony is that number two is now in Toronto, simply because a year ago, he missed seventy three games with a bruised quad. So one guy has a torn quad and brecca's Lee returns to play twenty eight minutes last night, and wait a second. Number two, misses seventy three games with Bruce quad. And finally San Antonio is forced to throw up their hands. If not their lunch and say, okay, we got ship, look, right. Okay. Well, I'm just saying that's the great irony to me the subplot of the game is DeMarcus. Sunau miraculously returns, just seven weeks after his qua- maybe at us abuse stream. Oh, we'll may be. But I've never seen like it's like a go figure to me sometimes sometimes a high ankle sprain is broken ankle. You know this. Okay. And then to finish your positive points, obviously Klay with since ational play goes down. And our man Quinn, cook who loves undisputed r-maine Quinn, cook, makes three huge threes, and he stepped right into them in all guts, Tom right down the drain, right? Three times. Those are cute that fill fill the clay void. And then how about my man Iggy was that not a dagger of three? Are you surprised because he was a finals MVP? He's got championship in a running through him. If you dare him to shoot that shot he will take and he will make right? Okay. Now that's all the good stuff that happened last night. But nell. Let's get to what really happened last night, or should I say did not happen. Because despite all of the above the Golden State Warriors one game to without scoring a single point from the five thirty nine Mark of the fourth quarter all the way down to seven seconds. So they go five and a half crunch time clutch. Time minutes five and a half minutes. They don't make a free throw. They scores zero. This is the highest scoring team in the NBA this year. They score zero from five thirty nine all the way to seven seconds and they stole game to why was that Mr. sharp Adamas? Why was that? You know what was it was? Because number two came up small in game two down the stretch he puts up great stats. What was he thirty four and said, we're going to talk about that. Thirty four and fourteen. Okay. I give you all that. But the point is, I keep telling you, he is fragile physically, and mentally he is not that guy with the game on the line. He is not a clutch closer. He never was for San Antonio. He needed vanfleet to close game one. And last night, when he needed van Wli, nobody else showed up, and he definitely did not show up. Can I count the ways just to, to specify what I'm talking about here? Thank you very much. So number two, sits out the first part of the fourth quarter, and he comes back on the floor with eight minutes to go, and from that point on. He goes over three from three threes at seven fourteen left five fifty four left in two forty eight left. Those are three big three if you could make to those you probably going to win the game one of them and maybe the momentum. He had a crucial turnover did number two to eighteen left were Draymond got his hand. On the ball, and it's a big possession. We're looks like they're seizing momentum because Nick nurse whose credit had gone to this box in one on staff in Steph couldn't get a shot off in. There's no Klay to take the heat off right in all of a sudden, Golden State cannot score. Now he had to scoring plays. Did number two and they were both highly controversial and questionable. You didn't travel, I one six thirty eight left to go if we could see this. He gets away with firing elbow. An elbow right into the chest. Draymond and just knocking him out of the way. And then he continues with his elbow. When he knocks bogut out of the way, and he comes all the way down to the floor that's called traveling because he hasn't even shot the ball lift, then he throws the ball up off the glass, and it goes in, and they go one and why what and once elbows to chest, you, then. That's that's a blatant offense foul slash travel. I don't know. It's one thing or the other to me. And I'm saying what how can you get away with that? So that's three of his six points in the fourth quarter. Then let's go to the last play. This is one oh, eight left, and this resulted in a technical foul on Steph curry, because he starts to drive the basketball and DeMarcus reaches in and cleanly knocks the ball, straight out of number twos, hands, right into Steph, Curry's hands and their stuff's preparing to go the other way, when the whistle blows and he just kind. Hotdogs at and just heaves it into the raptor. Do cannot do that. I agree. It is globetrotter hot dog. It's like Steph is trying to be too cool for school and the ball, just touches his hand years whistle. He has on his follow-through. He just throws it into the raptor braggers rafters and you can't do you the door even further? So now number two goes to the line. I'm gonna give you this. He went sixteen for sixteen. Then that's really good. Like really, really good. Great good. And he makes three in a row yet that gives him six points down the stretch. But that's not enough because in the last minute and a half he has to two point shots to from nine feet both of them with one thirty one left and then with thirty one seconds left. He's got two point shots. Any miserable? They're huge. We can't just just sweep this under your little carpet over there that you keep all your bands. He missed both of them. So he missed all three threes and twos, in the last minute and a half now we get to the play of the game. This is the turning point all basketball game for me. Because with ten seconds left Steph, is trapped and he dribbles out of the trap over in the left top corner. I saw a dribbles out of the trap, but he's careening into the middle of the floor and he's losing his balance. And he throws up or tosses up a pick six pass in the direction of Shaun Livingston. Am I right? It's just a lollipop. It's like what are you doing? Is Susan left us. And I said, number two's, going to intercept that and go the other way and dunk it, or, and one it, and it's either going to be tie overtime or raptors win. And number two zero it is a fifty fifty ball and the shock of the night to me was that Shaun Livingston beat number two to the basketball. This is according to you, the pest. Perimeter defender, all of basketball, this is the best two way player in all the playoff, but what else what else? Oh, tell you. I don't know. He hurt the ten. Now we got the injury is trying to tell you. He did not limp one time last night. I didn't even seem winsor grimace last night. I don't know. Maybe I watched the wrong. They might maybe took a pain. Okay. Maybe he took an injection should. He have intercepted the basketball. Yes, he should have if he does. We're having a different conversation, you know, in games of this magnitude regardless of the sport is really a game of inches. Okay, inch here or edge there or half a step here. Okay. In the ball game is totally different. Give, Shaun Livingston credit. I don't know how because he shouldn't have even been in the game. He's only in the game because they're out of body. Exact exactly I had an out of body experience watching the play because wait a second, Shaun Livingston catches the ball, obviously, in his direct line of sight is standing allied open. Iggy there's nobody running because they've doubled Steph because. The thing is get in once he gives the ball to living to Livingston gives the ball. You see Steph har- cut through everybody because remember, they're playing boxing. One, everybody, forget, thinking by that point. They're not playing. But we wanna make sure we don't care shoes. This ball. We just don't want number thirty to shoot the ball. Okay. They lost track of he was an Iggy got a wide open three, but to give them give them credit. And because that's what you do is that once I realized that, okay you got? No, katie. He's been going for the first two game now, clay the second most dangerous shoe on T might be the most dangerous. Once he starts to heat up. Yeah. Okay. So now we can play this s Steph call. It junk defense Janke Zang. We can play this 'cause we don't really fear anybody else on the perimeter not. No, no. You mentioned Quinn, cook play them believable, he hid. He hit three of the biggest threes, you'll ever hit in his life. He might not ever hit three threes or three, any bigger than the kid has guts, and normally he played in big games. You go to every game of the big game because everybody's geared up the play. You know you go into the NCAA tournament. But you've mentioned on boogie skip the thing that boogie gives them that the other two bigs can't which is Bogan. And loonie is that the ability to score without the boogie can put the ball on the floor and go score bug. It he'll throw it up to the rim. He gonna get it or he's gonna get a rebound. Put back same thing. Looney. This guy could score by putting the ball on the floor and he can pass out at the post, okay he can't. But here's the shocker shocks to me. You realize that Golden State as soon as the injuries started to mount had to completely change the way light, it's office because they start running it through cousins. How do you do that on the fly? Why is easier to do that? Skill because the opposing team hasn't had an opportunity. Guess to locate where are you counting, we've counting on clay being here, or we're counting on looney being out. They're not counting on Gasol. Now, if you notice give sometimes what a quarterback goes down and the backup comes in they win the game because we had had a chance to prepare for you. Now we're gonna see moving all, I'll give you that. But it's also hard on the offense. Yes. To reestablish a new RPM momentum around him because everything changes, I, I wouldn't be surprised knowing Steve Kerr the little bit. Because, you know, he he he's apt to go to these exotic line of he, my imprac this, okay? Still Quinn, coup clay, this wouldn't that one, y'all go y'all take on Katie dream on this, and that because he won't guy to get familiar playing with each other in a given moment. 'cause you never really know you know, hope you hopefully, you never have a situation where clay goes down. Katie's down loonies out, but you never know skip the going this run to start at third quarter. That was huge. I've never seen anything like this in the finals, I've never seen a team going to run like that where the opposing team they had some opportunities, but the combination of someone putting a lid on the basket and then turning it over skip. You can't do that, because it wasn't like Golden State was going down. Every time they got the ball down court. They were score. They miss them -tunities also. But you exacerbated your situation not only could you not put it in the basket. You were turning the ball over. And then it went from two to five to seven to eight the next like, hold on. The rap is Gordon. Ball, give me. They don't beloved. And by the way, if you go back to late in the second quarter, twenty to nothing run, which was the longest run in the history of any finals game back to the merger, which is nineteen seventy six seventy seven. So that's, that's pretty stored new very if you look at the, the link to the run, it was actually thirty three to nine from late second, all the way sort of mid third. Right. And that's that's outrageous thirty three to nine. How can you give that up at home? If you notice the first guy DiPoto at he loves game was Draymond looking at his dad. She says I let the guy get a rhythm I let him get comfortable or you're talking about after game one episode. That's, that's, that's only got to take that away should away five eighteen they skip. I'm not look you. And I both know the like outcome having another game like that in the finals, not very good. But he can't play this bad Margus. All we don't need you to give us twenty but you can't give a six that like gave you just what would the game six? Give me a walk in. You can't have a game like that in the NBA finals. Because at some point that's not looney going again. That's not Mogi. You're going to get the guy that can give you points, which is boogie cousins. Little, you need to offset him cow Lowry is making dumb plays bullish files it. He's already at a terrible rhythm. And now he's in worse rhythm because he can't stay on the court because within the five minutes in the first quarter and got two thousand. Okay. And then halfway through in midway through the second quarter you've got three so we got to sit down and he's getting files like cow. What are you doing? What I'm out is this new for Lowry and play. Games, haven't we seen this act many, many times before, but can you? But why would you file boogie? The boogie got a rebound in these ninety plus feet for just frustration. But that's the way plus he plays hard. I'm gonna give him that and disrupts. He does some good things on. I don't mind the guy playing hard would also needed to place migraine. And he's putting him. He's putting right? He's putting his team in harm's way. Now Danny green hit a big three. Hey, that was a huge come eight points really on twenty five. I'd take that three and just run with that, that was enough to put them within two. I mean, they got grip vanfleet. Now, he played well in the first half not so much. That fourth quarter. Skip surge pocket gave him. What sixty seven points, ten rebounds and sixty minutes. Power came in and gave him some production, but how you need to know. Is that Andre Iggy? Dala is a thirty three percent career three point shooter on that shot. He's like an eighty percent shooter in that situation, but we're all you need to know. And gave in game one he was over. From two three. Well he was horrible horrible on some of the shots last night. You got one for three at that point, which is average. Right. And also. Yeah. Give him credit money money. I want my money. I want my do you. Yeah. You, you realize I don't live in Bel Air like he does. But I got a swimming pool. Eight is full of diet mountain, Doug women. Mount. Mount oxyde. I'll get about noon probably gets heated heated diet. Digest with this year. Let's talk about the guy you say is your favorite player, Shannon because quiet Leonard scored thirty four points at fourteen boards last night. Again, nothing the rafters five point loss. Why was by far though? The leading score struggle in that fourth quarter going just one six from the field so Shannon. This is your guy. How do you great his performance last night? Look, anytime you lose a game. So we already started, so he already had eight mile because he lost. Okay. Okay. Now he had five turnovers, so now he's at a B plus and then because he didn't do what I needed him to do in the fourth quarter. He's at a p minus. That's why I met I give him a b minus because it's hard to give him any lower than that because I'm looking at him. He's thirty four fourteen in three. He had a blocked shot. He was he was quiet. We ask him the great players you ask them to do an awful lot, especially him because you ask him to take on the defensive end. Sometimes some of the toughest guys he's on clay Bulla widely Iggy. And then he drifted over there today but skip the thing with is going to wear on him because he doesn't know from night in night out who he can count on game. Once the outcome was unbelievable now. You're not everybody knows the outcome. The likelihood of him ever having another game like that. Forget the finals the playoff fourteen to seventeen thirty two points playing like he expect more big games, bigger than that game out of him. Well, he's gonna have to now because that's the difference between the warriors them clay staff. They normally come hand in hand and then you get that third option with Draymond because, you know what you're gonna get a great mind. Dray Margot and give you a lot of it a little of this, and a little of that low rebound points says that's going to be my. He'll give Neela to heal block shot or to I'm trying. I'm looking and I'm like, where the raptors going to consistently get there from Cal Lowry. No Danny green nad Mark assault. Six points. Siachen five of eighteen that's not nearly good enough. I thought he was indecisive skip thirty some opportunities from the three point line that he has attained. I agree. You gotta catch dangling go and rhythm. Brunton. Yep. Don't second. Guess yourself, don't you belong here? You belong in this moment, just ride it out. Just go live with it. You catch that ball rhythm. You let it go. And it doesn't go in. You can live with that is the hesitation that started to cause me some concern, but I'm gonna give ABI minus he had five rebounds. One. Once they had three in one in one, possession, gotta live vamp fleet, then he had another hit three so quiet. Quiet scale, I don't worry about why I know you're gonna give me should know should not mean thirty thirteen three mostly will kill to have that kind of stat line eighty put it up on a routine basis. You better be careful even bigger things coming down the pike. Do you really? So I'm glad you brought up your man LeBron James because this is now the poor man's LeBron James in the wake of LeBron. And I guess he's watching from his couch. I don't know if even watches finals games. He's a student of the game. Yeah. Why low basketball sherve hurt to watch that right? Number two, has become the most overprotected over hype superstar in all of sports in the wake of LeBron. We or at least the basketball world needs another LeBron. So it is now number two and because of all that I'm not going to give into all that the way most people do so for his performance last night. I give number two a see. And I am highly us average last night if you do the totality is performance, given the hype that you bestowed on him you called him the end of the playoffs. That's two way player and all of basketball. Yes. So his bar for me. Goes way up here at the LeBron level. In fact, we might even put it a little buff LeBron now that the aging story, you know what's that? Why would you do something, you did something like I'm just reacting to Europe, the Beth lay the player speculation as the best player, he's the best in the playoff and he's the best way player? Okay. So this number two, he can stuff the. Stat sheet like nobody this side of LeBron James, and he goes for thirty four and fourteen highly impressive. If you hadn't watch the game thirty four and four he'd say, oh, that's an eight minus, maybe you look at the result, and say, well, maybe it's a B plus, but when you look at the sixteen sixteen thousand that is highly impressive to me. So I give him high marks for those and I give him high marks had five offense of rebounds, so, so five to nine offense defense. That's pretty great. And he had a couple late that we're just really sensation everyone. But this all all effort, I will give, but his five turnover sh- easily could been seven or eight he offense fouled. He charged on knowing that should have been turnover twice. He lost the ball and his teammates saved him by recovering his loose basketball. So it saved him from a turnover. I thought he was very careless with the ball and had a hard time dribbling through double teams or just beating double teams to the basket. Oh, so they are doubled. Team right? Trampling always not always. But again, Klay took him for a while. Eighty two. I dream on had him at the end you'd think he'd score on those guys. But now let's look at the defense event because he is the best two way player in basketball. I am told I thought he was ordinary last night on defense. I thought he drifted on defense, and you previously brought up on today's show the drain on at one point got the ball, if the board in just went the length of the court and laid it in. Right. We've seen do that repeatedly in these playoffs. Yes. On that play. Number two, just watches. He's just there's no help defense from him there several times he just watched. And there were several times he got beat back door by dream aunt where he's just drifting, mentally you're just not in the ball game. And I don't know why. But I didn't see the effort on defense that I saw on the offense of end. So I got a document there because his defense is the driving force of being team. It is, but it gets really, really hard to play them out of minutes that he's playing and he's also this LeBron. So you have to rest on. No, no, you're right. But I'm just saying when you don't know where you you're consistent help. It's coming from. He's putting up shots and some of the thoughts weren't great. He tried to draw contact and the referees. I didn't think they did a great job on how. Komo skin twenty six and gay. What twenty twenty two twenty three and twenty three twenty six to many five shots. Own audit. But anyway, the refs were favoring. There was some ticky tack found being called. But when you asking him to show the low that he's showing he shouldering. He's playing thirty eight forty played forty three minutes in game one thirty eight and a half and game to skip. That's a lot of minutes when you ask him to give you thirty plus on the opposite end. But by the same token, exert normal, not energy Z that guy or not that guy. I want to know if he's that guy. He's Jordan ask we keep hearing that then then that should be just kid stuff to him play. We'll see Jordan last run. Yes, got it pipping here and Robin Ron Harper. All those guys can lock it that correct scale bait. Number one, lock it down thirty twenty three. Twenty was the guy that took the best of the best road coat-tail desk. You got a man is create. I am not going to give him because Michael Jordan made Scottie Pippen made it just made did it wouldn't be as Scotty Pippin without Michael Lord. When? Schiff left and went to Houston, Portland. What happened? Nothing. All I know is that when Michael Jordan retired got it pimping a mill hue Hollins blown. Call been game seven the Eastern Conference bottles. Correct skill Bela's you feel comfortable saying, say, yes. Scottie Pippen would have taken that team Scottie Pippen have a migraine winning go back in the game. When Alaska him to go, my he was upset. Shot with Georgia for Toni Kukoc and coach didn't migrate happens. Give earlier to yet. They gives Detroit when he had that migraine. But anyway, I'm back to my regional, I'm back to my closing argument last night was on a silver platter for number two to take over game two it belonged to him in his new house. Am I right about that? Yes. And down the stretch you can't go over three from the three point line down the stretch. You can't in the last minute and a half go for two from two point jump shots. You cannot have that costly turnover with two eighteen left, and you cannot have an intercept -able pass somehow go right through the clause that you have at the end of your arms, your the claw. How can you not pick that pass off and go dunk? It give it a play. You realize that right there when Steph just lollipop that pass because he was he'd lost his balance. And he just flips it up in the air toward, Shaun Livingston. Do. Do you realize the NBA finals were up in the air? Right. There is fifty fifty because he ups and goes and dunks it and they win that game what's going to happen. I think drano is going to win the NBA finals. That's what I think approach how big a deal if he had it to do over again, he probably would have filed Shaun Livingston on that plane. They may you the free room night, argue and making manual, both rogue and talk about that. And just a moment, but several players had a chance to Livingston or, or Draymond or you could go a lot of different ways. But the point was the ball is up for grabs. And he did not make the play and he makes his living on defense as well as offense. Well, I just showed you, that's a see that's an ordinary performance by limiting get played. Also. He's an NBA player we expect the great plans to make every great play. No. They're expecting remake the play. That was these play of the night. Like when he made in fairly. Yeah. The one that he don't to give. Which one and filling out, which one you mean the lucky should the world where you. We're going to give him credit for ball bounce four times on the rain this. Well, that's great. Hold on. You do realize why scored thirty four point the other four star starter scored thirty nine okay? So who's gonna come? You keep telling me a wide great. He is. But I'm need to know what are the guys are gonna come along with it. The minus and seeing you actually aren't that far off. Not I'm highly impressed with my partner because that was some object is all of what I do some trash talking is in full swing this my morning and actually it goes back to last night when Steph curry took a major shot at the raptors after the game. We'll tell you about that coming. Mag- after a stressful game. It's only natural to need some well deserved rest, upgrade your current sleep situation. Because mattress firm is offering the best bed deal of the year. 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Three pointer to seal the win after the game step had an issue with the raptors d on the play. Take a listen. Quartered airplanes. Janke defense is trying to send body everywhere. Our whole Rosser just took advantage of it. Over the course of the game kind of disrespectful to leave. I it would open like that with the game on. He's made big shots like that before he got done tonight. Sankey de San much make that one. Caboose disrespectful, this gremlin round the lose ball. We've seen the quarterback also and you know, he's scrambling around he running around and all of a sudden, there's a receive a wide open man. How y'all leave him open that wasn't the plan, you see a broken play. This was a broken play. So I just wanna make sure I'm hearing Steph curry correctly. They drew this up says what's going to happen? They're going to send bodies, I'm gonna get trapped. I'm throwing a ball half court. They're going to almost deal it wise going almost from you Livingston. You're gonna fake like you're gonna look at me. And then do a no look to Iggy and the corner, nobody's going to be there because they being disrespectful, and let him shoot a wide open three. That's not how it happens guys. Get out of positions get when you trying to go for steel because it looks to me they made up their mind, Nick nurse told him not to file, they could have gotten to file a lot quicker. So they're going to say we're gonna play the shot clock. We're gonna get an opportunity get about he'll miss. Why, why would you not leave Iggy open because up until that point you know what it wasn't this one fourteen in the last three one two tenths going back to the Portland. And this one for fourteen. Yep. And even that shot that he got. He got it because guys are scrambling for the ball got out of position. And when you get out of position, someone's going to be wide open, and it happened to be Iggy. Would you prefer to be Steph, would you prefer to be Katie of Katie was there clay all things being equal considering who was out there? Okay. Let igure Montek that shot hell I let buggy take. But obviously, you don't won't Steph or clay Clave injured at that point. So, basically, the only guy that you do not under no circumstances taken that shot is deaf curry. So I don't believe it was disrespectful. I believe they got out of position scrambling trying to get a steal. And when you scramble you get out of position someone's going to be why. It open. It happened to be Iggy to his credit. He knocked down. I am with you on this one. The raptors were not disrespecting, etc. They were respecting Steph curry all's that's it. Yes. And I give Nick nurse high marks for resorting to a fly out of desperation to the box and one that you rarely see I've seen Popovich, do it occasionally, but box one for those who don't know you got four guys just playing zone in one guys chasing stabbed. Right. They invite and you just chasing him everywhere. Right. And everybody else is helping to try to trap staff. They didn't look like they're playing box one on the last possession. But they were definitely trying to trap Steph curry. They trapped him and he almost threw a ball the way almost through ball away. Now. I understood Nick nurse to say I listen to the whole post game that he did tell them if you have an obvious foul on anybody, but staff, go ahead and take it because he detailed the breakdown. His coaching manual tells him if. Twenty eight seconds or more. You don't file. But if it's under twenty seven point nine or less, you gotta think about fouling except you don't wanna Phalle Steph curry because he's gonna make both four percent. Okay. So you don't want to do that. But there was twenty six point nine seconds remaining. Windy green made that huge three. Right. So it's under his cutoff point. So it's a foul situation. Right. In bethematch in somebody gives the ball, you go in file them then. Okay. So who had the ball first way out? High. Draymond probably okay fella. Now Danny green is on him. And maybe he was still in cloud Rita just thinking about what are you supposed to do, but Draymond is a seventy one percent regular season. Foul shooter. Seventy four percent in the playoffs. But would you like your chances of him missing one because you need miss one, but at three yes. Yes. Okay. I would probably like my chances. I take the risks. Okay. So that's your first shot, and Danny green just stands there and doesn't even. Attack him. He just lets dribble the ball and then pass it to staff and here comes the trap. So then Steph corinn's out of the trap, and he loses a little bit of balance, and he flips up the fifty fifty ball toward, Shaun Livingston and wants number two tries and fails to, to intercept. Now it's up to somebody else. You have a split second, where somebody could tried to jump on, Shaun Livingston before he kicked it out as you put him on the line, though. He's better. He's seventy nine percent radio season eighty two percent postseason, but still Shaun Livingston. It's more in the George hill mold where you might put him on the line because George hill. It's not been there and done that before I figure my trench we're dream. Okay. Okay. But I would probably take my chance to Shaun Livingston, but it's going to be a hard foul because he didn't have the ball but for a split sag. Right. You'd have to be all over him. And Ryan Vlad had a chance. Now you kick it to Iggy, or, or kuwa- going for the steel and get it now you you'd have to just. Yet, pivot quickly in grab maybe. But, but again, so that's he said we had two people. We could have found now goes to Iggy. Would would you try to run it? Iggy and fallant will he just wide open because you double Steph, there's nobody because you chose the Levy mold on. It's not disrespectful. It's just we don't want Steph, maybe some crazy shot or if you let Steph dribble, the clock down and just throw it up and hit the rim, but hits the rim the game's over. Right. Okay. So you don't want that either. So now it's Dala in again he shot it too quickly. He was going to leave. I don't know five seconds on the clock. Right. Five point nine seven seconds left. When eat sizes it up. And he's been there and done all that. And he even sized it up and actually pumped once to try to set himself, right? And then nobody ARC's threes higher than dollar does gives you a better chance of making them. But boy, he can go real cold as you just run it out. But. It's the kill shot. If it's the dagger, I give him a high shot of making that shot, and he made that shot and it blows up whatever strategy there is because you're only other hope was fouled Draymond. That's no option. Number one foul dream on. And the thing when you look at his give you know, Steph cursing, Jenga defense and it's disrespectful clear to the defense disrespectful because the bogey the tip in, they went five thirty nine from the five thirty nine two seven two seven seventy five point nine Sega Mark, then it's going point. It worked so it works Hugh due disrespect. It might have worked the way you've never seen a defense work all your life. This is down the stretch again. Remember, they were the number one offense team in basketball wreck, but they don't have glare. And don't have K D, And they don't have. So you don't have clean. You don't have Katie who officially are you most concerned about will. Let's take that away because everybody goals off skip. Everybody's gonna be looking at McNair nurse. They got one guy that that, you know, can beat you. He the two-time league in VP, and you still let him go off. Why didn't you double? Why did you trap him? Why didn't you get the ball out of his hands? He did that and someone look. I take away your option aid in your option B or your ops, and insitute and beats me, skip, I gotta live with it. I just can't let up Sinead beat me. It's just like if I'm passing team skip, and you take away my takeaway the pants and they run the ball down. My throat and you got me. I mean that's Tom Brady. Tom Brady was throwing for three hundred and fifty are the game last seven games. We're geared up to stop his pants, lo and behold rush for two fifteen and they win. Give you can't stop everything you scrambling trying to get the ball, the last thing you want them to get a shot up or the ball go in the basket the with Graham, the we're trying to get the ball out of position Livingston may the unbelievable pass because he wasn't looking at anybody throwing do it. He could sink in his sight line. Yes. Just standing there. Why would Steph cut hard through UC ca there, but Livingston, and they had Draymond on other side Steph cuts hard to the basket. Everybody Flums back on staff. So bullied wide open also. Yeah. Which is why Nick nurse said, let me run the same defense ten times times. They beat us, you know, like, like he's saying the odds were with them, and if I told you that Andrea Dala is a thirty three percent career three point shooter. What odds would you give to make that shot? Wouldn't you live with it? Nick nursery, say, okay. Shoot it with five seconds seven seconds that he had his last his last fifteen three point attempts. He was one of fourteen fourteen guy. One of. Okay. So if it claims, and you get the rebound, you call timeout. You're good about, oh, you gotta get 'cause you're only down to yes. Okay. It didn't claim it ripped if anybody else you can live with Iggy. I shot Dray you live with boogie cousins to three guys on that roster. You don't won't take in three at any given time is clay stiff in. K. D. Two of those three were out injured. So the only other guy that you really, really concerned about taking three point shot. Staff. Okay. He didn't take it give give give credit for that moment stepping up in hitting hitting it. Okay. I think ninety five percent of all other coaches would have made the site every game one. What was it from the three over four? But was that disrespectful, the left over and all the ads steps just protecting team. The warriors won last night for the seventh straight game. No, Kevin Durant. Katie was cheering on team mates from the tunnel, but he hasn't been able to practice the injured his gaffe this weekend. Steve Kerr says it's reasonable Katie could make his debut in game three Wednesday. If he can practice tomorrow, we're joined once again, by Chris Broussard, Chris, give us a little bit inside scoop, Wendy think we're gonna see Katie on the look, we saw him in the flip flops. I wasn't that optimistic this in the flip flops. I say game four you know, obviously they need. I mean, this team is being held together by masking tape. I mean, they're falling apart before we obviously know about K D, Igwe dollar struggles now, clay, Kevin looney. I mean, and they can't force K D out that you would say okay if clay can't go for game three. Or fees, hobbled less. Get Katie out there. You can't play with this injury for him as an individual with his free agency coming up, but also for the team because if you force him back early. And then he reinjured over. Yeah. So I would say game four look, they're going to go out there and try to win game three obviously, they're going to have this next man up strengthen numbers mentality. But you wonder if this could end up being a look we gonna lose game three because if clay can't play katie's not back. But let's be ready for the next what four three games or whatever wouldn't be left four five six seven. So this looks like it's going to be a long series, I would think that Toronto, we'll find out today about clay's Mariah, but one thing is show me yesterday when they started DeMarcus cousins, they're not playing. They're not buying into the whole we, you know, the ball movement and play. Player movement is better without Kadian, and DeMarcus, it is. But they're they want their all star starting five the fact that they always shocked that they threw boogie cousins, Inara Gita. And the fact that they did that shows you as soon as K D can play as soon as he's ready. They're gonna put him out there and they're not gonna worry about what the Ciro, right? The rust and I cannot see Kevin Durant coming back, like boogie there as far as he's only playing twelve minutes only eighteen right? I think when Kevin Durant comes he starts immediately as he should. And he's like a focal point. And he's gonna play close to thirty minutes if not more like that's what stars superstars do when they come back, you rarely see them come back and be a role plan build up. For me. I don't think he's gonna play I think this game when she that they have ruled in my series in the I, I'm looking at him move around in the tunnel. I watching him on the core for shoot around in those flip flops skip. That doesn't look like a guy that's going to be ready to play game three that doesn't look like a guy that's going to be ready to play game board. Now I could be wrong. I'm not a doctor. But I'm just looking at the way he moves skipping gym shoes. He's not even shooting. Steve kerr. Thank you shooting on his own. He's throwing the ball because he doesn't want to get up on the toll shooter shot. And that's true. He's gonna be ready in two days. Nah happened. Look, I believe that they force him out there. There's a greater risk. Whatever the injury skip. I don't get out if they're giving us the full extent of the injury. But I believe if they force him out there for game three or game board there's a greater risk that he reinjured, whatever the injury is and friends looming with the war you think assigned five to twenty one or anywhere else. He can go for years at sixty four sixty four I don't now for me. The lead fifty seven million on the table. That's asking an awful lot again. But skip out on notifying to tell you about Anthony Davis in your pelicans that you're leaving that same amount on the tape they'll be what about Kawai leaving eighty, you know, if you go all the way back to San Antonio already to leave their will. Around San Francisco bathing water. You know what I'm saying? They got Silicon Valley back out at all. So great plain in he mainly in best, and he is really know how heavily invested a is in the community and New Orleans. Here. We're not talking about that. We don't want, you don't want to smooth touted smoothies. You try to do with smoothing. We talked about, I'm trying to, I don't believe him. Kevin don't believe the plays engaged three or game point. I am leaning toward you on this one, the signs keep killing me. No, no, no. He's just there just gamesmanship ING the opposition trying to make more about little should we prepare or not for him. I don't even know how Golden State prepares for both him and DaMarcus back in the lineup. It's just crazy. It's so hard on a basketball team. You know this, right. He in right low, and they were in such a great rhythm against Portland, obviously going back to the last two games it gets used. And, and to throw these two huge weapons back into the offense. And they're both ball dominant. And DeMarcus cousins has been among the I think he finished second one year in usage rate in the league. It's unbelievable. The ball has to go through after a while last night. He was going through on every session. Okay. There's a big game being played above the game in Kevin won't like that. I'm going to say this but he has to have as he watches in the locker room. I still don't know why you won't just put on civvies and go down there and just sit on the bench with his teammates and contribute to the huddles, clap, his hands or scream something Drake. Do something to contribute on the floor because he just. Have you ever heard anybody just stay in the locker room? I've never seen before. Buddy comes out in the tunnel when they're coming up the tunnel halftime after the game. Okay. Here's the game within a game in this. What? Kevin, what like he has to have watching TV in the locker room mixed emotions about what's happening because he is human, and you've brought this up, and he took you to task for. But he's got to be rooting forest teammates. And then there's this little tiny part in the back of his mind that's rooting against his teammates, because his legacy is on the table. Right. He's human, and I get it all your better judgment, your your, your better instincts. Tell you four my guys and I love to see my guys gut it out last night win that game. But if they had lost that game put you in the power position right for me. Give I believe if Kevin rans play in the war of to anyway, if Kevin Durant Nelson to, to go do you up the wars would be up on the ramp? Okay. All right. That would be absolutely guy. So he's playing so you're. It would just be bizarre. Nobody just just another. Yeah. There's no question that this series has a lot more juice again. You hate because it's unfortunate for K D there. But now there's really a question is who's going to win, which this clay KDB ninja Coban looney? Okay. You got at some point in time you can't keep winning final game skill with your third, you feel six seven options playing major meanings, which brings us to Steph curry, and I still say he's also human, and there's a part of him. Maybe even a bigger part of him that does not want Kevin to return because he has his opportunity show, the world, I don't need him. I can still do. I want to back to back in the second one was unanimous and I'll show you. And we talked about this earlier, I'm gonna bring it up again. It was so weird last night before the game started he is suffering dehydration. Jr. Strange. Have you ever heard? That a guy who's played in what is it one hundred eight playoff games and twenty four finals games. You know how your body works you how to get ready for game? I knew how to get ready for a marathon, you have to drink drink drink drink drink. Right. That's how you get ready. If drink the right stuff and the right amount of that stuff. And he knows what that is. But you also don't think it was nerve. Yeah, but what you sweating. And he doesn't even look like he sweats. But, you know, you're losing water, you're using out your liquids sweat more. When you start to worry you start to think because when you start playing Super Bowl that man I'm playing the Super Bowl. That's a big old. Approach it like a normal game when you start letting the magnitude of the moment is like, okay. Katie's not play. And now it's only gonna get worse because guess what? It Klay doesn't play. So now you down, Katie Klay in Katie or down to me. There's no pressure. Steph gotta be because wouldn't expect him to win the us if he does he all know it'd be tremendous and with 'cause I've said, look when Katie wins a Golden State. I feel like we've been robbed of seeing this Steph right for the last three years. But yeah, like we haven't seen this Beth, but my man across the table is making the point if they pull this off. Now Steph could make a case. He's a top ten all time. They win Utah without clay for what I clay you play for just one. That would be. As much as I liked I can't imagine they could win the series without Katie and Klay. But what if they do if they did, it'd be it'd be incredible? I it'd be but, but here's the thing, the one thing I'll say about Steph. And this is different from a lot of superstars. He had the juice when network, Draymond was Texan, K D. And let's go meet when you could hear Mosleh that look. No, we want to do it. We should have won this year. We gave it away. We want to. We don't as great as we knew any didn't. So, whether you think that's a positive or negative. But I, I really think he wants Katie back, then that show weakness, like, okay, I know priority is winning. Another Chebeya's sports is great in in life humility selflessness. But you don't now K D instead of Katie and Klay doesn't come back and Steph curry loses. Everybody will say nobody spec. Them to win. But I know a guy that played without his second and third best player in nobody gave him that let's be honest, Shannon. Nobody is pushed Steph curry on LeBron's. Leveaux Yonki and back in twenty y'all keep telling me of curry gift, another title. He might be equal to if not better than this is coming up. This is what's been have happened since I'm LeBron didn't win the chamber once, once car Rian Kevin love with down did anybody expect them to win. A guy who is up two games to one without Kharian. Kevin love in his house. We're game four and some guy named IGA Dala just took him out. I don't know. Thirty six bring it down. Them to win the guy that's you'll guy you voted for the pan you put that on your resume. Being competitive juices flowing on a Monday morning. Ways core. Pool is not a bus ways core. 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Let his raptors are just three wins away from an NBA title, but speculation has been that he'll leave Toronto in free agency this summer, the clippers the reported frontrunner. But hey they're not so fast. True reporting quiet likely to re signed with Toronto. At least on a short term deal, we're joined now by Rick Bucur wreck the over underneath, there's a possibility that happens, the short-term signing, do, I think there's a great possibility that happening no matter where he goes, and the cautionary tale is LeBron James with the Los Angeles Lakers the before, and the after of LeBron James, what we see with Kevin Durant, having being on a short term deal gives you the influence and the leverage over the team that you're with to do your bidding. Otherwise, I'm out the door when you are a star of Leonard's caliber, you have the ability to dictate that he doesn't wanna lose that LeBron. Did that very thing signing the long-term deal with the Lakers? Suddenly, we can't get the coach you want some question as to whether we're going to players you want. How we're gonna make deals that you want. Leonard doesn't want to lose that. And at this point, the money is so great and the medicine is so good the idea of having a career ending injury. And needing the security of a longterm deal does not outweigh the ability to have the table set the way you want it set with whatever team you happen to be with a situation where skit where he's settles and stays because this final run has shown him like you know what I can't leave the team because you mentioned when he won finals MVP. He had Dunkin the best power forward to ever play the game of basketball. Yeah. Go ahead. He had he had PARC who's already finals MVP. He had mono mono had led a team to the Olympic gold medal over the Americans now. So really he was the fourth option was that won the finals MVP by. Version six sixteen seventeen points a game. Okay. Get okay. We get trying to diminish this man he got the trophy, they don't have his stance owned atropine. I can assure you that I think the trophy close seriously Marco bell now. Oh but they all. Blue. Lebron's team off the floor by a record finals margin shooting three point shot. They deigned threes. But what I've heard I've heard him speak both for the last several days, he's speak for the first you know what he said, you know what? I kinda like you know, I never thought I'd been situation where I get the lion's share of the shots. I get this. You I never thought I'd be the guy to get twenty shots of game. He's liking this skip. And guess what? When they say they rolled out the red carpet, I don't know what's better. The red carpet. But Toronto is rolling out for. I feel good today. Take it off. I feeling as a matter of fact, I'm not feeling good today, tomorrow or Saturday, take it off. They gave him twenty two games. Give below management and say you know what the seat is wide. You stay all your meals of free combined. They got a knife high-rise the pin houses. Yours wa just re-signed with us. So all this weighing in that's a lot of money. But like Rick said, you know what he can keep his leverage outside one plus an option due to plus an option. That way, if y'all start that funding seat LeBron kind of tied down now because he gave three and option. So he went with two dollars one in the option. And then we all act funny outta dip. Don't y'all outta had Tyler Lou up in here, and I had the general manager that I won't up here or out of been long gone. He's not going to dip on Hollywood deal. Well, we went cross the street levels. I'll go to. Yeah. Point of order before I say, what I'm going to say about this guy, Gregg, Popovich in twenty sixteen gave number to the lions and the Tigers share of all the shots, he could shoot as many times as he want that one or two in those days. So put that in your box, no, too, because I have no idea what he's talking about this deal with the past, did you had you could only do one thing, one thing he could do whatever he wanted to do. Yes, he could could with pob with that, you know, that dad domineering you just can't wait to get out from under couldn't wait. He had one game was the game. Remember we talked about it was a Saturday night game at LeBron. The went to overtime, you forty one that was career. Get out of your box that night. I don't know. I never had. He's never had as many isos never has many isos I got down as he's had a whole lot. Trust me. I watched every game that he ever played and. And once he was given the mantle in twenty seven two. We're going back a year ago. Twenty twenty nine twenty eighteen with all twenty. Yeah. Twenty eighteen once everybody said you're gonna you're an MVP candidate and once pop said you're the guy now we try to make lamarcus the guy. Now you're the guy he crumbled under the pressure to live up to that. So I don't know what he's talking about right now because I think he's I thought he was crumbling last night on the pressure to close the game thirty fourteen and three and Crumlin. I, I respect what you said about him. I'm just going on his track record. There's no way he wants to stay in Toronto Tronto a great city. I've been there I've done all that really great. But it's in Canada in it snows hard in Toronto. He does not love. Big today rate, I begin good. We getting good exchange on money. I don't know. It's, it's. Tally is right there, far as McAleese 'cause we got water. We got eighty degrees everyday. Correct. But Dennis lives in New Jersey. His on talking about number twos. Uncle dennis. And I'm sure there's a part of him that is pushing, hey, let's think about the next. And let's think about the nets just in case somebody if K D goes, there would it make any sense to play there. Obviously, dentist place in jersey, New York. And I'm coming LA. Okay. So I do not disagree with you. He's from here. Born incompetent raise down riverside, so I get all that. But that was his goal from the start I need to get to Los Angeles, somehow someway. And that's why he quit on the Spurs. Enforces. He did when he was injured. He quit the elementary Bruce one of the elements with the Spurs was the fact that they offered him. They wanted a little bit of a discount. He took great exception to that. That is not like give you that huge factor here. And that to me speaks to why wherever he goes, he wants to main that maintain that lever. He's giving me the MAC. I'm K D. I'm LeBron's ever. You think they superstar superstar? I'm one of them, he's above and beyond that, Shannon, because whereas I see some of these other guys looking for someone to play with Colli looks at it and says, I don't need anybody else, the difference, I want the best situation for, you know, I had that luxury because he'll never be able to. He'll never be considered. They pay the on K D is trying to be considered a pant youngest LeBron James is trying to be considered so he has a luxury but this guy's not pantheon why they offered him as little as they offered him. They weren't completely sold on him as the clutch color. But it went, why why would Gregg Popovich get on the plane, coming and see if you can be? On the guy why you wanna lose it? I wanna give. Well, okay, why you don't give me MAC. You know what skip this my offer? Can you meet that? No. We don't you realize no spur in the history that organization ever rebelled against that they'd all taken it. But okay, what you just said. He said he was a different kind of can go, how'd you to try to that? Can't like you're trying to treat it all the rest of the canton Iraq. Always apply. Rinky sound much Mattingly continue. Very much. Oh mercy. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny tapped. Join us again at the same time tomorrow morning nine thirty eastern. We'll see you then. Of, of.

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We the NBA North?

"Mike ward stadium seat finding game tickets hard trae but being there so much better than not being. There are replaced my regular seat with the stadium seat to try and recreate that stadium atmosphere. I appreciate the effort, but I got a better idea use vivid seats to find tickets to the game. They make finding the seats that you want quick and easy. Sounds like getting tickets at vivid seats would have been the easier option. It always is. Hello, and welcome to the hoop collective podcast. It is Sunday night. You'll be hearing this Monday, and we are recording here in Toronto Toronto has they say here. Joining us is warriors be writer. Nick Fredo be good to be with you, as always Nick has to be a very early in the morning to do television. Today to do television. Hey, it's awesome. It's the cool part of our job. I'll get up early. No problem and I was walking over to the arena today, and I walked past like five or six people, and one of them was underneath a. Harp playing cards on the ground. And there's a lot of unfortunately, like many large cities, a lot of homeless around, and I was looking at my I was like he doesn't look very homeless, and I was like, why are those five people standing there and I realized they were in line for Jurassic Park. Five of them at seven thirty this morning. And I heard that they had the people at the guy in the front and actually been there, since Friday, and he had a whole tent and everything set up. That's bizarre. Also joining us is our Tronto to specialist, Tim Bontemps. Little Brian, Nick. I just wanna point something out here. Tim, as well-known on this pod predicted that the. Don't jinx it that the let's just Lakers chinks the playoffs in Tober. Made another prediction at least a month ago, maybe six weeks ago about Tronto raptors. I just wanna tell you that it's close to me, be we need to get him to Vegas. Get the numbers roll not done yet. It is not done. Stop trying to at this point. The fact that it's because the Lakers, I was more with you on in going back in time. The Lakers thing I saw I saw where your head was the raptors beating the warriors. I, I just did not see and no matter what happens. No matter what happens from your on out credit to the raptors for having the emotionally. I was kidding that at the end. I was I was going to gear up to that credit to the raptors for having the emotional toughness that they have because TIMMY, and I've been talking about this for two days now, I have not been able to watch Toronto as much during the year because I've obviously been to the warriors to see the way this team performs when things aren't going their way, a lot of teams all over they don't. And so, not only do all, the, the front office Masai, Nick, nurse the players, they all deserve credit but but to watch that group come together like this has been impressive. And in TIMMY, deserves all the credit that potentially comes his way, if in win this thing, and because I just don't know anybody, anybody who thought all the way through to Rana would get to this point on the precipice of porn at off. Can we can we save all the tender freeze? Victory lap for not making. I'm just climb letting letting Brian and Nick. No, let's, let's push that to the end. And can it sounds like Nick just conceded defeat here that the raptors will win the title. I still believe the warriors have it within them. I do. I believe they have it within them to do it. You can both think the warriors have a chance to win think they're going to win. But I would add this, which is which was very obvious to me after game four and we were all there that was his quiet is that warriors locker room has been all season. Those guys dressed and got out of there as quickly as they have all year in all the confidence in the bravado. That was still there after the game three laws when K D didn't come back in game four and they kind of looked around on the floor in the thought, well, what is the answer coming from 'cause Kawais started knocking down those shots? I mean my God guys the, the, the looks on the warriors went knocking down those shots warriors fans and oracle, the raptors fans going crazy inside or on Friday night, all those emotions piled up. No. Andrew. John. I don't believe that the words will now win this series but I don't think any team that's gotten to this point, who has been to five straight finals can be written off completely, which is what a lot of people are starting to do given the way the Toronto's played lately. Well, the thing about the setup with the with the two to one, one, one finals is a specifically designed to give the quote unquote underdog a chance in game six. Now, the we all know that the warriors were not the underdog. However, they had the lesser record, so they, they, they were they didn't have home court. I guess maybe I shouldn't say underdog with the team has the lesser home. Courted match if a series. If this series for example, this game five was being played in oracle. Even if the, the warriors one, then they'd still becoming on the road to Toronto as it used to be. Now if the raptors win this game, I'm sorry if the warriors win this game, and extend now we've got a tremendous situation here because they're going home to forgive six. Now, the this, this change was made in two thousand fifteen was the first year this happened and the Cavs went home down three two, but that Cavs team was very depleted, and the warriors, overpowered them and guide him in game six the next year two thousand sixteen going home. The Cavs had the momentum because they did what the warriors would be doing right now, which we winning game five and going home. And then all of a sudden you give Durant more time. So while the raptors are holding it in their hands. We haven't had a game six last two finals. After holding they right here. If the warriors somehow get through, we'll talk about Durant, and a second if the warriors somehow get through, and get it back home. The two to one one thing favors them to get to a game seven it puts them in position to do that. So really? This game even though the raptors are up three one with the way, the series is designed. They could do it. They know. And we know that the worst habit have within them. But we cannot ignore the reality that there is now seven consecutive games where the warriors have trailed by double digits, and they completely outclassed the blazers blazers are nowhere near the team that the that the raptors are obviously, but they've been getting handled for awhile here. The loss of Durant showed up throughout the blazers series, they were able to overcome it. They can't overcome it in this series right now. Yeah. I mean the thing about the warriors, right? Is that we go back to the Western Conference finals when they were playing the Javy essentially in the pleasures, and no disrespect to the blazers? Right. They had a great season the JV, but no disrespect. Freshman. Now here's the thing. They had a great season. Obviously. They get into plow that use of Nurkic. Nobody thought they were going to beat the thunder. Right. Then go okay don't have all. But anyway, go through there. So the. My season but they should not have been in the Western Conference finals. They were not a conference final worthy team. That's correct. They had a very fortunate path and they took advantage of it and Golden State went through that series there around seventeen points. I think what each of the final three games of that series. They came back and won the wall, because they knew they had to try for, like eight minutes, and they could win. Right. I think the three of us talked about it that if they played like that in this series that could very well be three one Toronto after four games. And that's basically what's happened. They have nowhere near as good as Toronto for the vast majority of the series was really just a second half of game two and part at really the first quarter of game three our four I mean that they were the better team Toronto's and better thirteen of sixteen quarters and series. So, yeah, it shouldn't really be that because the prize there, we're sitting here in this series reminds me. Tim at the start of the series was talking about the two thousand eleven finals he felt like that. Was that Dallas team was extraordinarily even though is their first time in the finals that Dallas team was very experienced. A lot of veterans on that team Dirk who was at the top of his game. Just like Hawaii the top of his game, Dirk was not coli, but he was playing awesome. It was his time and even though that he where the overwhelming favorites. Dallas, sort of walked them down. They were behind early in the series and Dallas to walk them down. I, I agree. But one of the things I'm seeing this series kind of reminds me of the two thousand four finals which was when Detroit beat the Lakers Lakers with a favourite the Lakers won game. Two Detroit one game one. The Lakers won game. Two on ridiculous. By Coby the three dollar hit was not ridiculous. But it was surprised that he made it. But as a series kept going on. It was clear that Detroit had was just flat out the better team in that series had LA one game five and send it back home. Three two things would have been different. So the switch on. That is why this might not go. But I will say that when when you look at Durant. Something interesting today. So let's just recap what happened today? So today Sunday, the practice day they announced that Durant is going to is going to practice. The rent does not show his face during the open media session of practice. He goes, I think he went to the practice quite, I don't know, for sure. But he went with the with the warriors trainer to the Rick celebrating and did whatever on the practice court, then he came out to the main Florida's soon as the media left. So the media didn't get to see him anything. But walk I have no idea what he did out there when he came out. He was one of the first guys off the court, Shaun Livingston came out, first right, then Kevin. And I'd had this. I had gone to the restroom, and I'm walking back. Part of the deal. Everybody. Everybody's gotta go. I walked back in. I see. Kevin, I'm like, I'm looking out at my iphone. I'm like, what time is it a warriors? They had a very long film session, very long after their media session. So the media's city on the floor looking at my man, Raymond Ritter pop jumpers. It was a forty five minute films, which is, you know. A little bit unusual at this point. So I walked back and I see Kevin, I'm going, what time is it in be? When you go back in process, the, the events of the day. Tops, whatever Kevin was able to do and remember when Steve Kerr talk to, to us, he said, we're hopeful that Kevin will be able to participate in some more game light conditions against the younger guys which I took to mean like the Damian lease markets Derrick since then guys who aren't on the active roster. But it we've been travelling and practicing with the warriors. Kevin durant. Couldn't have been on the floor more than twenty twenty five. That's anything. Here's the thing. The veterans weren't practicing right? They came out wearing full sweats. They were not doing anything. They were sitting watching Durant now Durant did have ice on his leg. So he definitely did something what I found interesting about the ice on what did you see the iphone or two is folks one was at the bottom of his right calf and the second one was on his right achilles. So what does that tell you about this injury would tell me that it's at least somewhat related to Gillies? I mean they have not announced what they've said. All they've said is that as a mild calf strain. That's only thing they've ever said about it. We didn't know where on the kaffa was Kevin's calf is about two feet long. If his calf is Andrew demonstrating how long has your calf muscle two feet. His must be four feet them I've had no complaints. Oh, excuse me. Other TMI. The, the one of the reasons why he would be so cautious coming back from this not even him but the trainers would be because if his calf injury is in the lower part of the calf it potentially could compromise achilles tendon. And if you go out there with a weakened calf it could lead to an achilles tear now. I am making a supposition. They're not reporting that, but I'm looking at where that ice was that ice was on the bottom, and that would make all the sense in the world as to why they're so much trepidation. And look calf injuries are really tricky injuries to begin with meta. Weird is right like people don't really think you don't really think about it. But like to do anything at all athletically, your use your calf right to push off Ron to do anything. So like, if you're calf is bothering you, but you can't do anything like this is the thing like people have been saying, oh, we'll keep just gonna come back and play and he's going to be fine. But to me like the way, this is played out like yeah. Calf injury. Take a while to heal. Oh, and like the fact that he's done nothing in a month like it's hard even if he could somehow play tomorrow. How much can you actually give the warriors when he has like you said with the most he could possibly on the court today was like what twenty minutes? That's the most he's done in a month. So just to be clear, Tim. At some point on Monday. There'll be some kind of announcement weather Durant will play or not play. You don't think that that will affect the outcome of the game. I mean, look, I think again, trying to make any assumptions like that is probably a little premature to try to look ahead and just decide how it's going to go, but I will say, I think that people are overestimating the amount that Kevin can do in the game matter, whether he plays or not like I've heard people say, well, maybe he'll be seventy five percent. I just can't I can't see how guy who has not played basketball in a month that maybe twenty minutes of activity today is going to come back and play thirty minutes tomorrow, even if he's just kind of jogging down and taking some jumpers like the fact, if he can get out there at all it, help them. It'll be an emotional boost. He can hit a couple of shots and health space, the floor ways of resins. Right. There's no you take you on us to Revco out of the lineup say, right? Like that helps okay positive. But I would be stunned if Kevin Durant, like the Kevin Durant. We've seen just shows up tomorrow in place, thirty minutes. I would be a like a miraculous feat at this point. That's what needs you more context. Kevin hasn't been able to do anything for a month, and it's worth reiterating over and over. So we're saying in a best case scenario in the part, the media cannot see the Kevin was out there, and they ran some kind of three on three or five on five let's say played three on three for twenty minutes hard for for twenty minutes. So that means that he's walking into game five of the finals, and that is the only thing that he has been able to do in four plus weeks. And now, people are assuming because Kevin's on the floor. He is just gonna turn on the switch and be Kevin Durant. Like he's been all along. We don't know as we sit here and tape this, if he's gonna play as I watched the events unfold. I walked out of that arena. When Steve Kerr said he's gonna practice. We feel like if he comes through it, he's going to give it a go. I thought all right. Maybe he's going to try and he still might but is I walked out of the arena, guys. I thought I don't think he's playing in game five because you can't go from nothing nothing nothing to maybe twenty minutes to go get him. It's also not fair to him at some point, right? I mean Kevin Durant loves to play basketball he's clearly gonna play. He can possibly play. But at some point, you look at the situation, you're going into, and like, is it really fair to a guy who hasn't played in five weeks? The throw him out there in this huge situation elimination game on the road against arguably the best player in the world who would be guarding him. Right. Imagine I Linder going out there and having you know, sixty percent Kevin. Ah on the other side of them, right? Like the raptors will attack him every play like I dunno. It just this whole time. We've been we've been hearing while he's going to be back for the start of the finals. And then for game three and then for game four and I'll be game five. And I think that has frustrated the warriors players. I there's no question that it would naturally frustrate anybody. I'm sure it's Kevin's got to be the most frustrated. All you wants to play for sure. And there's been some stuff out there about the players frustration. You can if you're rubbing TB can sunset my feel is that the frustration is aimed at the situation. Yeah. Than it is aimed at Kevin. Because I as you said, Tim, I just can't see the guy with these kind of stakes say, I'm just gonna take it easy, and you watch like Doris talked about it, right. Like if you like I think she talked about on the podcast. The other day it was either Zakar with you guys after a game like Kevin is like totally invest in these gays watch and he's like pacing around. You saw after the raptors. Are the the warriors one here in game two. Right. When clay was hurt he was hobbling down the hallway Kevin was hobbling down the hallway you've seen videos of Kevin hyping up staff is gone out to the court like Kevin is celebrating after every big best. Yeah. He's got like I was I wasn't in the room but I was next to him. And I just met her. Yeah. Like he he's invested. He's south green. He's screaming, I wouldn't say trash-talk isn't the right word, but he's like, you know, he's definitely screaming at the TV. Yeah. So just to me, like, like he would play if he could play this. This guy always has been a game, who's always shown up in play again, like calf injury are really tricky, and they're really hard to come back. There are people who wonder why he's not on the bench with the team. Oh my God, I have PTSD to Derrick rose. That's right. All after he hurt his ACL. There was a fewer in Chicago. Well, why isn't he out there? And some guys are just more comfortable in the back and that Kevin has always been more comfortable in the back, you know his fight during game three. When Clayton play the look on his face that whole game. Looked like he'd rather be anywhere on the planet sitting on the bench. Right. So you know, but he was active for that game. But, but TIMMY, brings up a good point in this regard. There's been so much focus on what Kevin will do this summer. And now this summer is almost upon us where a few weeks away from whatever he will decide to do. Kevin Durant loves basketball. He loves the stage of the finals. He's won the finals MVP two years at a row and he's invested three years into what they're doing. So to think that he has checked out so completely where he's like you know what? I'm not. I'm not gonna play. I don't buy that and that these guys have all said in part of it is it is because they've want that message out there that we need Kevin to win Kevin's the best players. Steve. Curtis said it repeatedly in the last six weeks or so. But he is invested his professional life into this team for three years. And you're telling me he's just sitting there. Now going, you know what I don't want to risk it as I. I watch Kevin as I talked to the, the people within the organization. I just get the feeling that he wants to his body will not allow him to see when this is all over whether it's over in, you know, in tonight or whether Monday night, or whether it's over in a week when Kevin found the addresses this and was able to be if he chooses to be honest, and just say, look, guys, I came within a millimeter of Terry. Mike Kelly's tendon or they were telling me that I could tear my Kelly's tendon or I tried everything I possibly could but it was agony for me to be out there. And I couldn't move. He has the opportunity to set the record straight. Basically, you know make some transplant I understand we're talking about an injury and we're talking about the finals, you don't want to give it away on your stand, why they're, they're not being honest. But this one things you see happen after the playoffs every year. All of a sudden, like yeah he's been playing with crack. All right. Yeah. I mean we knew Paul was. But I mean but. Still like he was playing through stuff that normally wouldn't play through. Like the Brown last excuse me, the final where he comes out with, with debuts the cast, which he got ripped for. But whatever he had been wearing that cast for a week, you know that he just had he was hiding it. You know, people come clean image thing, if he feels the need to clarify, when this is all over. Message town. Summer is almost here, and that means it's going to have been season concerts baseball games playoff games theater. 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The first time customers can enter their promo code hoops. H P, S and receive ten percent off that I order again. Vivid seats didn't make this summer memorable. Can I ask a different hypothetical? So, yep. Twenty four proximity twenty four hours or thirty six out what data's Embiid had a tweet that just said, regrets, and not much specificity. But, like if we're going to just put words in his mouth, because why not maybe Philadelphia where it's not having an opportunity these warriors. Do you think that the Milwaukee Bucks the Philadelphia seventy Sixers Tim? If he if he thought, if the let's say Kawai misses that shot. The game goes to overtime in Philly wins, whether I asked him whether I thought Philly would have beaten the walkie and got into the finals, and you said it would have been accomplished a complicated series to figure out because both teams are pretty weird. But I would have picked Philly I would've picked Philly to go against his picks frito. Well, look, I think I think the situation where the, the most obvious answer is the correct answer off comes razor. Yes. Joel embiid. Watching these games thinking, we were this close to beating the, the raptors if we'd beat the raptors the in the finals that we'd have a chance to win a championship guy who's got to be begging headed the walls LeBron because, you know, he goes against them three years. They're healthy the entire way for years. And they're healthy the entire way. You know, LeBron's teams the two thousand fifteen team was horribly injured. And then two thousand seventeen probably would have had a chance. If Durant was out. I think they probably win that series last year wasn't last year. They might have been won without Durant anyway. But like LeBron's gotta be like now now is when two or three best players. Get hurt miss games of the finals. He's gotta be saying regrets himself to a hypothetical over on this, if Kevin Durant is healthy. And the warriors are the warriors in clay is healthy in looney is healthy does a healthy warriors group still be a relatively healthy raptors group. I mean, there's a reason raptors and seven in the first place. I mean, I think it would have been six or seven game series easily goals. Eight I think definitely could one I think easily could have one. Right. And look, they still could win over yet. Like they are, there are team that's been through these situations for they were down three one and came back. Two thousand sixteen. Well, they're they're, they're big thing that. I've talked about this before, but the talk that Shane Batty gave after the heat loss in two thousand v fourteen finals Batty as said, if you're not in the top ten this number show, if you're not a top, I think it was top twelve defensive team, you're not gonna win the finals and he goes, we were not a top twelve defensive team, this year, we were much better, the last few years, I thought, maybe we could get through it because, you know, we had LeBron. And we had some things go our way. But the end of the day, we were not good enough defensively to, to, to win this to win these finals. And when they got four one by the Spurs, in a series, they were favored, also another series that was one one could go either way. But as we went on Kawai and any green just wore them down, and it was very clear by the end, who was the better team. I'd be curious to know what the defensive rating is for teams that go to three straight finals four straight funds five straight finals, because it's pretty obvious. Those teams start to pace. They also just get week even weeks even boil this down further right in the playoffs Golden State. I think as the eighth best offensive rating, or so roughly tenth somewhere. Well, now it might be different right there in the middle of the pack among the sixteen playoff teams in the playoffs into indefens- of rating. And that this is why I thought to run over in the series is not like set aside the injury questions, which came in with right? Golden State is not good enough defensively anymore to guard. The best teams that we and the reason why is something we've talked about. They've barely played with Draymond green at center in the series. And the reason why is they can't because they don't have enough wing players to play. That's right. And that, and that has been the thing that's fundamentally altered this team because in the past eve, could always go to the death lineup. Whether Kevin was there or not. He could always go to that when they needed it. Well, the one that they can't the one thing is the last two summers, they have used their mid-level exception on players, who have not really helped them, they used on Nick young lad. Last year. He had a good year the year before for the Lakers. I don't remember who their other options were, but that the time signing Nick young wasn't a terrible idea. But then he showed up very fat and out of shape and was awful. So the thing is the, the middle of exception is the only way for them to materially improve their roster. If you go back and look at the heat they use the mid level exception to add Shane Batty, and Ray Allen, Ray Allen, like those were important move them, and they still aged out the they used on Nick young, who they didn't. Keep ideally, would have signed a player there who could have been with you, by the way, they only signed a one year deal on, like those guys for the heat because tax concerns. Yes, but they were saying they might have been able to get a better player on a multi year deal if they're willing to pay him last year, but could be true. But even if young had worked out, they would have had his rights, but had limited rights on him, and they could've kept him and signed cousins. So they so they won't say it was a whiff because they won the title but they didn't. No. It was a whiff because almost lost the rockets because they didn't have enough wing. Okay. So then they come in this year and, and they're still now probably a wing shore because they needed a wing when they signed Nick young, he didn't work out. So instead of going and getting the best wing that mid level could could get they roll the dice on DeMarcus cousins. Everybody celebrates thinking that they've added an all star. I mean I I, I wasn't looking at, like boy, you should add Wayne, I was looking at your torn achilles. Don't they, he's going to be an all star. It was why was saying, but. What they really need. Now is somebody to help them on the wing. They're out there playing. I'll McKinney who is forget the guys. They are plying profit the guys they are playing again their best lineup for the entire run. They've had has been with Draymond green at center, they cannot play that lineup because they don't have enough bodies. They don't even have the bodies to play. They had one of the great wings of all time, and Durant that, that would help but they because Shaun Livingston is basically on his last legs. And because Durant is hurt. They really could use that wing and they're and they're relying on McKinney. And they're relying on Quinn, cook who both good wide open looks in game four and just missed and with all due respect. That's why they're all kidding well in the one game series. Golden State has won. Right. What was the difference? The other guys swing cook it three or four huge shots from three. I think he hit four three's three of them in the second half were huge. The markets cousins had fifteen points. That's right. They had their other guys made some place. That was the one time. They'll say play that was also the best offensive game that they had. Right. It was. But thing need those guys to make shots like we've talked about several times for Golden State without Durant. This is a math problem. Right. I think Steph in clay for them to win tomorrow, have to score at least sixty points, assuming Kevin doesn't zinc combined. Yes, I've said that every game that for them to win. They haven't got there yet the one game they did win the Klay got hurt. They had the weird box one. They didn't score the last eight minutes got got over the finish line. Right. But they got there because other guys gave them points, and they have to manufacture points from guys like Quinn, cook, three or four wide open. Threes in game four he missed them all in game for Steph had twenty eight and clay twenty seven vice versa. They got the fifty five. Yeah. Which, by the way, is about what they average. Right. I mean, they, they both played well, but they have to be exceptional to win against this. Toronto team without Kevin just don't have enough four. I'm just saying like one of the like. You've heard me talk over the years about their huge margin for air and their margin for error has been shipped away for several reasons. One obviously the Durant injury. But part of the reason their margin for error is there is because they're supporting cast is weakened because they haven't hit on their mid-level exception last two years. I felt really bad today when we ran out lay out. 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You can find three three touch sealant at Reilly auto parts or learn more by texting three oh three to thirty one thirty one thirty one now that's three three two three one three one three one now. I just had a weird thought and it's unrelated to this current series but irrespective of anything else that's going to happen in free agency. If Durant is not resigned with the warriors. I'm having a hard time thinking that they'd be the favorite to win the title next year for exactly the reason you just listed Brian, they don't have they have a week, supporting cast, Shaun Livingston's going to age out. It would always starting to age out, and they can't replace anyone. Well, here's an interesting scenario. If Durant were to leave. I believe that the warriors should seriously consider offering at least one first round pick and potentially even two first round picks to do a sign and trade with Durant. So let's say, for example, that the Knicks that say Durant would want to go play for the Knicks if I were the warriors, I would say, can we, please do a sign and trade with you so that not necessarily, they would get players back from the next. But they would get that thirty five million dollar trade exception, which they could you start they could at least us to help replace them if they didn't get a player like if they couldn't get one of the Knicks young players back. I'm not sure you'd give multiple picks. But if you could see because they're going to be way over the cap, when they signed gray. Right. So that, that has got to be one thing you know it all honesty because this is only couple of weeks away. They've gotta have a Durant walks plan in their pocket, and they're not gonna have cap space. So that is an if Durant wants to sign with the clippers, for example, if he says, I'm going to sell the clippers clippers are saying. Hit the bricks Golden State, good luck Iyar dust. Hang up the phone. They're not doing that deal, because they're not going to help a team in their own division, which lets conference the Knicks specially or the or the nets, especially if you're like look, we're gonna we're gonna need extra assets to help build around these guys. I could see them on. For example, say the Knicks say he goes to the next, right? We're going to be super pathetic. You could then turn one or two of those picks around in Anthony Davis, trait right right now. The, the reason that the Knicks or the nets wouldn't do it is because if you receive a player in a sign and trade cap, you hard cap yourself and you can only go so far, but that would be that would be hard for them to reach that for the Knicks, especially it'd be very hard to get something. They something they're going to need to do to your point, though. Andrew, I wouldn't necessarily go that far for a couple of reasons. I think a healthy Golden State, like part of this. If if all these guys go to the Eastern Conference, right? The western. Conference is going to be fairly weak at the top next year already was fairly weak at the top this year. Outside of Golden State, and I think as you start to game things out, right. Like, what say, for example? Choline stays and Kevin. Durant goes the east, you're going to have you, would you pick out of the west in that scenario state to come all the way through. They'll do the Lakers, David's question is not whether care warriors win the west. My question would be the title. What I was going to say was what I was going to say was if you think through the best team in the west right? And they're going to get out of the west, then they're gonna at minimum be in the mix too. Like you go into a final series thinking they've got a shot. I didn't say that the that they wouldn't be I just said, like, if you're the Denver Nuggets your Denver Nuggets fan, you are rooting like hell come on. Knicks come on come take Kevin Durant. Right. And, and everybody who roots for Western Conference team should be rooted for Kuwata stay because there's a scenario the Knicks. Well, okay. Sure, stay in the east, but I think more likely than, not, if he stays in the east, he's gonna stay here because there's a scenario where next year you could have star you could have the raptors with qui-. You could have the Celtics. They'll be pretty good. Even if even if Anthony Davis. They could even let's say they don't get anything Davis or kyri Kyriacos back. They're still gonna be pretty good. Look at being a five seat, but okay, they'll be pretty good team though. The Nixon nets both who are capable of signing multiple, max players fridge. See. And, oh, by the way, you have Philly who's going to have Joel, and beat, and Ben Simmons, and probably at least one of the by sayers Jimmy baller. And all by the way, have you have yacht, instead of Cuco? Yeah. That's sixteenths already in the east. Plus, you got Atlanta, who future is going to be like, these is gonna look really good. Meanwhile, start to go through the teams in the west like Denver's way cruise Paul Houston is going this way, Golden State is starting to go this way to Andrew's point, you got just so that the listeners are aware Bontemps is making it down. Sorry, they're, they're going to podcast. That's true. They're going down fair. Fair point injured. My point is I think that I think that people are a little premature saying that Golden State's window is like over after this. But I do think to your point Andrew, before they are going to have to really make a lot of things happen. This summer to stay at the same level. They've been because they are already slipping some with the rent, and if he leaves Audrey dollars getting much older Charlene might be retiring. They're they're at this core is going to be going away. She wonder if they have says, before it makes you wonder if they consider trading trading Draymond green that might be on the table. Anyway. I mean there's a lot on the table. I mean it's a huge summer for them. No matter what Durant does. So, okay. So here's something else that's worth pointing out. We saw that the blazers were basically not up to not up to snuff for conference. Finalist. And we see Joel and be talking about regrets. We know that the walkie is pretty good. They have some flaws. They're pretty good. They got some regrets. Milwaukee double overtime game three up to retire. The cons of the west is what have I said all year. Stone. I say Walker walkers better than Kyrie Irving. I mean I got a few. I think I think a lot more people in Boston at agree with me now after the way the season's gone, I would say that. I've thought all year the four best teams in the league outside of Golden State or at the top of the east. Now Boston was a little worse than everyone expected. But. Philly Milwaukee, Toronto, I think we're all clearly have shown in this ploughs to be a step above everybody in the west and that's before we look at what's going to go on the summer. I mean, I don't think they would say this publicly. But if you talked to the Toronto, people privately, they would tell you that Philly was much. I mean they've won seven. I'll just say this after game three in Philly I was there, there was concerned after game two in Milwaukee, even though they were down to own the series, that was not the same level of concern part of that was because they had made it through the fire and got through a series like that against philli part of it's also they were very confident. They were going to figure out a way to beat the box and the Sixers with their size and their weird team was a lot tougher matchup for them by do think at the end of the day. The reason this is a three one series is not necessarily just because it is awesome is the three one series because the raptors are just a dramatically better defensive team than the warriors and a much deeper team that they're depression, when Durant healthy. Imagine what Steve Kerr would do for Norman Powell right now. That's the thing. Norman powell. That's a great point. You would play thirty seven minutes about thirty seven Norman Powell beginning major minutes of the warriors. Right now, absolutely Norman Powell, put on Jacob Evans, jersey tomorrow and tried to slip in. Nobody. He would the warriors Lee vastly improved him. As we've gone through the entire mobile, even done anything, yet as, as we've gone through this whole conversation though. The thought that keeps coming up in my head is this. I am not ready. Even if the warriors lose game five and the raptors when the titles, say that dynasty is over. There are so many proud guys that locker room, it's so much talent still that I think that the, the window is still open for them depending on the moves we've outlined for them to win something else. What I would say is having been around this team every day this year, they are emotionally exhausted. And when you go to five straight finals, and you're playing all those extra games and you're having all those extra minutes on all those guys as talented and his great as Steph and Klay, Andrey money. Katie are even if Kevin stays I've struggled in my head to think next year to Andrew haunts. Point there, the favorite or or we should believe that they can win, get as I've watched them go through all the stuff off the floor the stuff with Kevin. If he does leave, maybe they are reenergize and people say, oh, you can't do it, and I think there is something to that. But they are emotionally exhausted. And look, part of part of the thing that's played out in the series, right? Like everybody was making a big deal today about how the raptors walked off the court and game for an hour. Just Allstone face. Right. Like this raptors team to Brian earlier point why they've remind me move me the last couple of months of the two thousand eleven maths like that team was a collection of veterans who I came together at the right time. Basically, not at one. Right. And they rolled that all the way through and they were just locked in and this raptors team going back to the I talked to Kyle our in Brooklyn like the right before the end of the regular season. And even then Kyle was like there's only one thing that matters that's winning title. It's not getting to the finals. I've said like. You guys have made the finals like, what would that mean? You'd like me were once it to what title this was a team that ever since they traded for Mark assault, especially this was a team that thought its its ceiling was we can get on a stage with this team in win. And as they've gone through these playoffs they've dealt with the ups and downs. They were down in either tight or down in every series when people kept counting amount, they were like we're going to be fine. And as gone through this year's, especially, I think that's really carry them through because to your point gold states, that with all this noise all year about, what's Kevin due to have these injuries. All this other stuff and they just look exhausted. Mentally, and physically and Toronto's getting stronger, I have a term for what you were describing Nick. Or I've talked I've read them before organizational fatigue. It's not even just the fatigue of the players if Teague of the entire organization absolutely happened to the heat. It absolutely happened to the Cavs. We may be organizational fatigue to that. Lakers team in two thousand four. Happened it in and it to, to a lesser extent happen to the Lakers team. When they went to the two thousand eleven got drummed out in the second round by the maps. It's, it's very funny that you thought of the two thousand four Lakers, pistons, Brian because two days ago in our editorial stuff was talking about that. Exact same comparison how the pistons fired their teeth three coach of the require Carlisle hired Larry Brown, obviously the raptors to the same. There was the Marcus all trade. There's the Rasheed Wallace trade like there are a lot of weird similarities between those teams and they will do incredible defensive teams. They were great. They're great defensive team, except for instead of being proud to hold the opponent to one hundred nine they were holding the seventy two that was the worst basketball ever played two thousand six different to your point about the raptors being different. Let's just remember that it was just a few years ago that messiah would go out before the first. Game and said f Brooklyn and then the next year took a shot of Washington. It was a complex shopping to the exact same thing, and even a year ago because they'd had that such long game on losing streak. They celebrate game one. I mean this was a team that was celebrating game ones of round one year ago and now and Nick nurse said this today, basically, the core for his which is why Lowery Consol dated green three of which are new the core for which is setting the tone for that team. And I remember I was standing outside their locker after game one when they had that great one first game win Danny Green's. Welcome back. They're going just one just one. And I know that that's common commonsense. But to have somebody in that locker room to be leading that is it, it makes a huge difference message. Hiring used to be hard multiple sites. Stacks resumes confusing review process. 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Which we never overlooked ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Is there something you want to talk about otherwise I have different wildly different question. Okay. We need to wrap up soon. Right. So go ahead. Does this finals run or the this showdown suggests that the median NBA player is good enough now where it's hard for super teams to win? So, like you had the Wade Bosh LeBron heat that just overwhelmed teams with the sheer top talent. The warriors have Steph clay Durant. Draymond granted Durant's not playing in these finals. But that's just the guys that were healthy were typically good enough but Toronto has Kawai and then lowers also very good. But then a lot of guys that are just like all solid. See this, this is this is the this is the thing that is annoyed me. Frankly, about this entire annoyed y'all. Yeah. Kiddies never happens, buddy. Toronto is really good. Like this is a great team, PASCAL Ciocci. I'm next year is going to be an all MBA forward. Or at least in the conversation, again, he was this year college all star point guard. Kawhi Leonard is at this point, maybe the best player on the planet, Marcus still a really good defensive player. Danny green is one of the elite three D players league surge Baca is the best probably backup big men in the league, I would say now right now, these fully coming off the bench, or at least in the conversation for advanced Leach, one of the best backup point guards in the league like this team is really good, so yeah, like they don't have four in their prime stars to be Golden State. This is exactly the point that I make. No. But, but you this was like this isn't about the median MBA player though, this is a team that's got like eight really players really compatible to both for pistons and eleven. And eleven Mavericks, as you look, think back at that Mavericks, team, Sean Marian, Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, Tyson Chandler, all, like, you know, there were all stars in there and kid, a hall of Famer, but he was at the end of his career or toward the end of his career. Look at that pistons team it was received Ben Wallace. Chauncey. Billips repack, Milton. Tae Sean prints, dark Darko. Darko hang around. But, you know, all like really good veteran guys you look at this team. And you know surge doesn't get doesn't get included in that core for. But he might as well be I mean, he's, he's played deepen the plows, a lot of time, and they have five really established veterans. So your point Andrew, is that. You know, I would almost say this, I think the, the moments or the moral the story is. For all these teams that are, you know, thinking that they're going to build themselves with youth. You better look for along the way to get a few really experienced good guys in there, because that's a that's really important to. Yeah. Well, look, like I think I think more, I think edgy more what it says than like, is this a like to super teams like this is how you beat them. I think it's just that under the current structure of the league. Right with the current salary structure, that's in place with the way, the rules are set up. It's kind of impossible to be better than the warriors have been in this five-year run for longer than this, because this because the caps bike which is driven everybody in the league career. And if and if the cast by doesn't happen, Kevin Durant on the warriors in the same form and things are much different still. Right. But, like, like look at all the flaws for timeout, Golden State team. Right. They still have four maybe five hall of famers. You of Jaeger dollar. It was still is good. And they haven't been able to replenish, the, the depth around them. Now, they've had some bad drafting whatever, but. Like in the mid level could've been better. But like you have to be so perfect on that other stuff that even with this talent, you still need to supplement it if you're gonna win, and if you don't or if you make a couple of mistakes, then even with all these guys still relatively in their prime or close to it. You don't have enough because you just can't fundamentally add that many pieces, which is why if Durant actually left the warriors, even if he went with kyri to form a quasi, super team whatever. It would be tremendous for the league because as you said, there'd be a whole bunch of teams cutting title next year. Potentially could have one or two good teams in New York one or two. Good teams in LA still have Houston relevant still state, which they'll be relevant states. They'll be relevant Milwaukee. So there you, you next year would be a complete toss up. Some of the big markets will be better. This is the way the league is more appropriately set up. You're not supposed to have this clustering stars. That's what the cap, that's what the salary cap and luxury taxes supposed to prevent. They just ramble to circumvent it because of that extraordinary set of circumstances. Right, right. No, no question. That that's why that's narrow laid up before. Right. Like to your point. Imagine what, what we going on at Olympic tower. If I July fifteenth, you have two stars on the Knicks star on the nets. The Celtics still good Colli here Jaanus in Milwaukee and beat the bulls. Renting good. I wasn't going to say it. Well at the record show win her. Win hers even still again in the west, you have Golden State. You have Houston you have an upcoming Denver team. You have seems like there would be the legal be as wide open has ever been, and it would it would be amazing if that worked out that way. Well, I have as I've been as I've been saying, I, I very well when we do our next podcast after the game Monday. We very well could be saying this is just like that's first team. And just like that pistons team that just wound down the team. We thought was better beat up the old old tired team that Ryan Brian made a prediction before game for just like you made a prediction before game for the Chicago finals. I don't make pretty he said before game for the circumference finals that whoever won the game would win the series. He was right. Brian said before game for the NBA finals whoever won the game would win the series. I if he's right. Experience was telling you made a prediction. Now. We'll see if he's right. I am not going to put this to Brian, but just to Nick, and you Tim. Nick has to go back to Oakland. No matter what are the rest of us going back Oakland him. I think that the series is going to end tomorrow. I don't think Kevin is gonna play. I think if he does play he's going to be very limited and is there a scenario gold say could win. Absolutely. I do think that is true, especially if Toronto, which they have both in game five in game six of these conference finals and in game four there other guys come out in miss a billion shots early right? And Golden State some life and get a lead. But I think that in the end, just like in game six here in the Eastern Conference finals Toronto consensus, now they can taste it. And I think these guys are going to get. I would guess that the series ends Monday night. I'm taking my cue from Nick who just talking about how emotionally fatigue are. That's a really important point. You could just you could just sense. You could just sense in the building on Friday like everybody walked into the building on Friday thinking. All right. Claes gonna come back. Maybe Kevin's going to play at that point was out, but like is going to be back the crowd's going crazy. This team won these championships here like they're gonna they're gonna stand up, and they're gonna play great and they're going to win. And when they didn't like fourth quarter, you could just feel the air come out of the building, could could have another great game in them. But he's already played one game in the series. We get the same clay clay was unbelievable. That is not that is not been talked about nearly four he was unbelievable on a bad hamstring. So they got a great clay game and a great stuff game. And they lost them both. And they were both at home. And you know. So why I don't see him slow into I don't see him slowing down at all. In fact, I actually think he's looked whatever leg injury was bothering him. I think he's looked better walking off the podium said to Nick, he looked as good like just walking around today as I've seen him in a while. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you. We'll see the collective presume will be in free agency guys. That's crazy spiff draft for them. The hoop collective. Have a nice day.

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Katy Sherratt//Shawn Livingston

The Forward with Lance Armstrong

1:01:55 hr | 2 years ago

Katy Sherratt//Shawn Livingston

"Okay. Everybody. Welcome back to the Ford podcast as you can either here or see I'm your host, Lance Armstrong. My two guests this week super interesting. Katie Chirac runs an organization called back on my feet. I've really gotten to be a big fan of the of the work that they do. These guys are fighting are combating or taking on homelessness through through running getting getting people to commit to a structured running program that to commit to three days a week for thirty straight days. And then, you know, and then on from there, then they get them back into the workplace and the success rate is is is a stonning so thirteen chapters all around the country one of which is here in Austin. The second half of the show were joined by one of their alumni as they say, Shaun Livingston who spent ten years in the armed forces came back and got you know, it was injured and getting just got mixed up and really a a bad drug scene. He was their member. And they call all the people in the program members. So not, you know, not participants not the, you know, patients, whatever they call the members. And so he was there member of the year last year guy was on the verge of four felony convictions for heroin possession. Did not have a home did not have a job and is now running hundred miles. I mean, truly not only all these guys are guys and gals are heroes for fighting for us overseas. But what a heroic effort to overcome such a strong addiction to now as I told him in the show you replaced one addiction with another in so running hundred miles and actually being quite successful. Speaking of running and speaking of Shaun Livingston. I'm an edge to hobble through the Austin marathon the other day as the charity chaser. I gotta tell you. It was. So it was amazing to to to pass, you know, start twenty minutes behind and run through fifteen thousand people the level of support from all the other runners was was just so cool. I truly appreciate that. I got everybody, but fifty nine people, and I have a whole lot of excuses that I won't bore you with if you would like them, I'll I'll send them to you later. But. Happy to get through it healthy big shout out. And thank you to my coach, Matt Hensley big shot out. And thank you to my pacer. Sheesh Patel as well. As sheriff Joe disalvo who came down and did a little bike support for me. Thanks to the three of them would not have been possible without their help. So hope you enjoyed this episode. Really fascinating. Apologies ahead of time. Katie is from the north of England. So sometimes, although she's speaking English might be a little hard to understand just kidding, Katie. Anyways, thanks for tuning in. We'll see in a couple of weeks for we're never straight. Katie thanks for being here. Katie share it. Yes. Thank you. Sure. About. So you share your hair looks amazing. As opposed to in the picture that you just showed me allies in gals listening and watching so I was asking around the room. Like, should I cry where my hat and? Yes, you should wear. We just met. She's judging. I'm honest on this on my fro. Yeah. Yeah. Now, put up on your hair looks good. So you run back on my feet. I and we spoke about this gosh a couple of weeks ago when I was at the marathon guys on. Did the marathon? I actually. After right after that podcast. He got questionable. I like tweak my hamstring. And then. But I finished three hours. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't get arrested that always helps. So I was a good thing. Closer couple times for those also watching that's a longer story, but we will have a guest come here and a little bit. That's why there's an empty share their Shaun Livingston whose I would say a graduate. But what's let's just get to it. Like, it's interesting that you call the people who you guys help who are involved in back. Feeding are called members. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's specific because and on those moaning runs where all equals right side. You just run a, and you running gear you can't tell who's a member you can be you can be famous athlete. You can be one of our members you can be one of the guys from the shelter. It just helps them feel on an equal playing field yet. So let's start just because this assume that anybody listening doesn't have any idea what about so you just give us the sixty second elevator. Or pitch on what's up? Usually my first ten second one is I make homeless people run, which usually makes people say, well, that's evil. And you shall do that why do that the longer pitches? The longer pitches we use the running as a tool so the first part of the program, we recruit individuals who live in homeless shelters or living an impatient addiction facilities, and we bring them into running based program. And we asked the commitment three times a week at five forty five AM in the morning at ninety percent attendance for at least the days, if they commit to that then they access to what we call on next steps, which is the mole traditional Woodfull support finding the majority we've got number corporate partners. We can help get them jobs with and but the ruling pieces where. For one of about a word, not sound cheesy Bill. The magic happens in the sense that the vast majority will turn up and say to you openly. I'm here for the free para sneakers now, it'd be like all right? Well, let's see if you here in two weeks time, and they get the sneakers on day one. They do they got the sneakers on day while we have a number of partners and Brooks is one of them that provides free sneakers, and they get the sneakers they come out day one and eight percent of them keep coming and keep coming every Monday Wednesday Friday. And so because in and not I mean, I find it a terribly sad. Because I when I drive from my house to the studio every day, I'm passed under I thirty five right here. And it's just a it's a millage. It's a homeless person's village and half the time the police are there just just basically bulldozing these poor people. So those aren't the type of members. I mean, if they come from an inpatient facility or they come from a homeless shelter. I mean that they're not coming from sleeping under a bridge to a run these people that I see. And again, I it's tragic I don't see them showing up at five forty five. So the members that we were with of already made that fist step into the homeless shelter. They might have gone through the emergency shelf system and got moved into a transitional shelter system that was usually anywhere from six months to two years, and but we have had many members of slept under bridges that have slept on the streets and made that way ultimately to shelter and we've got members that have been chronically homeless. Twenty years and the difference, and they'll openly say your program was what made the difference because it's not just just coming out and ruin right? You come out in the morning. Those volunteers is made as you this. There's other individuals in the community. And the first thing they get a hawk which most of them awarded out by. Hogan english. Twenty two. Who's an H O G? I need to translate hug and a house of giving out a million hugs. I read on the website. We have probably many more than that by now. But yes, that's the first thing that I met with. And it just says, you know, you're welcomed we care about you. If you we support you doesn't matter whether you run a mile walk a mile room, three miles run a marathon. And and that's that's what they do not have. And they don't get that from the shelter system. I know I I've always believed that that some sort of endurance slash suffering to sitting in that as we'll hear about it in spades. I think from Sean and this guy, I don't know if you know, he's like running hundred miles. Yeah. Yeah. This first of all that's just a bad idea. But are crazy like I can't marathon. Which is that's enough. Like, why do more lot members that on multiple amounts of mazing amazing? What happens if somebody fails like they get they sign up and they fail out. They don't make the three three days or whatever. Can they come back? So they can't come back depends why they failed. Right. So if they failed because they relapsed, and they turned up Immonen on you know, intoxicated, then they have to go back, and we're recovery program in the facility that they're in. Right. They can't they can't just turn back open the next day if they failed, but we treat it almost like work because what prepping them to get back into the width. So we treat like what if they call in sick? And explain why the copy. E that and the facility by then, you know. Yeah. You get day off. Right. If you know, well, but it really depends on the reason it's not, you know, need can never come back. It's just a case at timing of. Why why didn't we found many members? We've got one guy who actually now works Rosen New York. Derek? He failed out the program twice the time came back with the program. And now he actually works for us. Any works pits. Does pits Pimento or with the members in our alumni in just so we can all get an idea like how many people are showing up talking by people fifty sofas since we've we've been around without five and a half thousand country the program find employment housing, which on an annual basis equates to about fifteen hundred on an annual basis and give him on in say, for example in Austin? We've got three teams you'll have ten to fifty members in each of those teams on an equal number of volunteers. So let's cool. Yeah. And I see all the the different cities. You've got. Austin and Dallas Dallas, Dallas York. San Francisco Indianapolis like against me now. Right. I can't. I'm not gonna stop with Indianapolis because I wouldn't want to be in like the winter group in Indianapolis and have to be unhappy show up on I made. Yeah. That's why I made California. So I'm always in the sunny grape. Now, I'm the snow sunny there. It's true. Yes. So in the because we're such a. So active in the community. We get a lot of connections to schools to local officials and watt. Sometimes they'll do for example in Boston in the wind Simone's. They've allowed us to go into the school because we're running at five forty five AM so in and out before any of the teachers any of the students of that. So they'll let us the indoor space to maybe do a workout instead of a run, but still get them together. But obviously not in the brutal cold book. We do go out when it's pretty nasty out. And we wrap the members. Oh, we have plenty of gay partners who gives us all the clothes and the hats, and you know, twenty scoffs, but in Austin, I wanna do this. They meet downtown. So we have a we have a downtown mom, and we have one a little bit further out. I don't know the fail. Not you have to. We'll have to show on that one. Because I think that was the team he was with the Salvation Army here. That facility. I think that's why I show him was actually based. And so, yeah, we should get you out which definitely get you out. I would I would absolutely do it. We just need to slide the time and a little bit. I mean is there. We don't slide the time for anyone afraid. We could do sometimes do evening rounds. We sometimes do slightly later in the Mon. And I'll today runs bit lights I'll toughened up into a five four good are used to used to be able to do that stuff. I can't I just can't do it early. And we do in some we actually have side looking at in some chapters like an evening ruin like when check awaken with some family facilities as well. We have to make combinations for the children the time of the cat can be provided for the kids. So we do modify that as needed that time in is two reasons one it works best with the facility time in they've got to get back and have breakfast like things that we I didn't even think of when I was why are we doing it so early, but they're going to get back have breakfast by a certain time. Shallow by the time. They life is so regimented by the shelter there in in because I was so you're not from America. Not just fight this this. I do it too. The loyal listener knows that I I've all the accents down. Gimme me another one. That's not anguish. Australian it's time to into after. Okay, sign. They're going to be terrible on so. Thanks for coming on. This has been amazing. Good luck with everything Kinley where do people go to donate. Let's hurry up and donate. So we can wink Versi busted on my hair. I mean, look not only did I get just throttled ins marathon. I woke up this morning true story, the stiff neck, and I felt like four. I was like, ooh, this is not good so PT. But she's in San Francisco, how do how'd you end up here? I moved over with my job was consultant in England and Accenture, and they're one of the big partners of back on my feet. So they on the YouTube clips rep at the lady on the YouTube clip, Carol I think ended up with a job as she gets a job at essentially because. Yeah, so am I head about them through Accenture, and they were about full years old at that point? And I met with the founder, and I met with some of the team, and I've been looking to move into that. I just wanted something that. It's a little bit more. And. Yeah. And the founder just turn around and said, I'm going to have to hire you, right? It sounds like okay. And then six years. You. But you didn't land in San Francisco. You started in. I it is based in Philly. Yeah. So I was originally in New York. And actually, what happened was I go open. I went on one of the reasons. Right because mama, husbands. I at the time that you should go should go on the road. It's like, okay. And I go am. I was I was witted out by this whole morning thing and ruining with homeless. And I was like this makes no sense. I don't know what you do in. And I met this woman. This Andrea she was one of the members, and I'd had hip surgery, two hip surgeries, actually, and I was in recovery. So I've had walk and she she needed to walk too. But she was basically really so down on the south really kind of like account do this. You know, I'm not really a Runa. And I was like, well, look, I'm new so let's just walk and she got to the last block, and everyone is finished. We will like an hour delayed. And I said, Sandra. Let's let's put on this last block mainly because I'm scared. I don't worry. We may have lost everyone on his dock and she's like, oh, okay. Okay. We can do this and stops running and. Literally something just changed in a face when she started doing something that she didn't think she could do. And then she heard the cheers of the finish line of all the volunteers. And all the other members say in you've got this Sandra, you're remains in you can do this. And for the first time in a life. Someone actually believed in it. And she turns was all of the end and set that no one's ever believed in me the way you all just it all she did was one of block one block that was it an book for her that was so incredibly meaningful. She ran all the way back to the show. She ended up getting a job she studying spe social worker. So she can give back to folks. I mean, some of these stores at least on the YouTube clip, the one lady got her degree in psychology or something from Harvard or. Yup. I mean almost a habit homeless to Harvard. The put your mind around that people like, that's I I mean, most people just you know, they can't go from the west Austin to Harvard. So the go from I think, honestly, I think we underestimate people all the time. And I think that am. Knots political, you know, the government's politics policy. And the government's policies housing fist. Now that makes sense for individuals with severe mental health challenges and individuals. You don't have the capacity to be self sufficient. But what program bills is show, you that people that they may have put in a housing first project put on put in supporting to basically supportive housing for the rest of lives may have not been given the opportunity to be to be as extrordinary as they can be. And that would have meant someone like Norma he went from homeless to hob and may never have got that. And so that's what we do. We step in and say, no, no, you're not you're not homeless not a label on your lot more than you think you can be. In in number runs. The gamut between drugs and prostitution. And I mean, the the their parents have children, I it. It's a com marry out of issues. It's very complicated. And it doesn't always work. Right. I mean, that's just the reality of the situation. Rim bull when it Dole's. Yeah. He's he's proven. How do you handle? Just because these people that I see when I drive. I mean, the, you know, the the mental illnesses than just you know, I would say that. I'm not a psychiatrist but ninety percent of those people are just sick. Yeah. So the mental health so part of my issue again and not get political. But I'm going to is that you can't treat homelessness in same way that you treat mental health mental health is a very separate issue. That needs very separate every sources, and we need mental health hospitals. We need more mental health support. And that is something that this country's needed for a long time since the got rolled back, and I have personally experienced without three family to know that that the system had just does not work on that from they need support the needs to be given the right medication and ensure the compliant with it all program, we can't where it with folks who on complied with the medication. So we do have a lot of parameters about who we were with and how because they ended the day. We're a nonprofit we have to be careful make sure all of our resources go into the best impact. And so with those instances, we just make sure we've got the best network of support services that we know of in the in the local city like Austin, and we refer. So if someone is in the shelter that clearly has some form of mental health issue, isn't Medicated the shelter will typically deal with that. And if they don't and we see it and they turn up on a morning run. We escort them to the appropriate services to. People that are on the runs that are bipolar schizophrenic, but you have to be medically compliant. And you have to say if occasion by Dr because we've got volunteers out that we've got other members out that it's our responsibility to make sure everyone's in a safe environment. And they are we've never had an instant in ten years. What's the fastest runner that ever came through their fast echoed, and I mean, maybe Sean I mean, he's I don't know we had a we had two top ten and some of these. Now, we we well fastest marathon stone pine along this. He's definitely Shawn's. Definitely. A kid in Brooklyn. We went out and won one. And I took a friend with me. And he was all I, you know, whatever this is going to be a waste of my time. I'm a really foster on a like, this is not going to be a good work. How and there was we had the my friends had thought. Right. And I was like don't be an ask KOMAL you're gonna enjoy it and be supportive, and he came out and was used team Brooklyn. And this one kid he was like. Wow. Nineteen twenty maybe and he was like super shy and light, you know, really on a seaman. And then this guy was like, okay. I'm going to run with him on my. Okay. All right. Because he said, I'm pretty I'm pretty fast pretty fast. Okay. They went off. I mean, he must have even he was running like so five minute miles this kid, right? He ran like three miles. He came back. My friend was like could not keep hope he came by absolutely exhausted. Swat in book. It's going do expect do no expect that and I'm like, yeah. Don't underestimate people sweating buckets. One more time. Sweating buckets. Yes. And wedding book is yeah, we had a British person on here before. Films. Question is will you have another one back to me? Feel keegan. He's Kimia thought would you're our first bread. Oh, we you have any of those backs. Sure. Eric clapton? Maybe someone flight I land only via or famous and begging Meghan Markle. No, she's not she's up British. What's the youngest person ever go through? And remember that the youngest and the oldest eighteen cut sixty six. Wow. And I can imagine being sixty six and being I can't imagine being homes. We have a lot of older guys who are homeless. I think because. I think our average age is around forty eight. And I think that's because you know, again, the system and all the nonprofits out there. Focus on the sexy things like youth and women and things weather Moonies flows. Easier to be quite honest. It doesn't flow easy when you're saying, hey, I'm gonna help, you know, fifty something year old sixty something year old who's homeless, but that guys that end up onto the bridge. So people wanna help and they want to stop the pukes on the bridge. In the breakdown between male and female, seventy five percent male twenty five cent female again because the male population and homelessness is generally the most undeserved. And and I'm not to keep harping on it. But I mean, what about you're not you're an international. So what about international expansion? I mean, I'm assuming that this issue is there in Australia and France, clearly, I'm bias clearly I want to take it to England. We're only move home. Now never. He is. But I wouldn't those cities in the US. And there's a lot more cities to be in. Right. So we've got good model. It works. We should be an all of the cities that need us in the US. But that's not to say London is an Narita we do with all of the majors all the major marathons. And so we have members the run a number of the majors. We're actually trying to get one guy who's round Boston and London and New York we're going to try and get him to run all of them ages. So we'll with thinking about London England. And but we'll see what does it. What do you mean? How hard is it to get him to run run them all Tokyo and Berlin or the other ones? Right. Yeah. So we can get him in easy enough. But you know, he has a job. Now, we have to make sure his jobs not going to be yet. Yeah. Just in the funding. For example, the Austin chapter that funding comes. One hundred percents from Austin? I mean, I know there's a gala here. There's we have a chest. So we with some come from national mixture, and we have a law great spot in Austin community. So we have a lot of 'em suppose. Hey, hey, provide phone, Dan, locally and local organizations, but we also have a lot of national partners say the j w Marriott downtown I stayed that last night for free theropod nerve is and they provide the gala full free. So that every money donated in the room goes to the program they hire. And then they learn so much from just plug in these clips. Yeah. I mean, if you can have these partners where they've had about two hundred and fifty nine AM in the on the product side yet these people geared up, and then you guys do your thing. And then if you can just feed them right into whether it's essential or. CEO came out in a role in the Mario CEO comes on a roll money's in town. And neil. Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite success story? I think I think it probably has to be. Kat. That's really hot favourite a couple. I think I think it's like your children you I can't I now confident and for your dog. So it really account. You don't have adopted children have dogs that I think the the Carol story that you. So I think the ones that show just the level of extraordinary that people can like the the level of transformation the level of change is achievable that makes people actually stand up and pay attention because that then gives us the opportunity so the carols of the world that go from homeless to work in an Accenture the the norm of the world that go from homeless to have it. And the reason I say that is only because that gives us the attention for all the other guys that may never make it to have it or may never make it to work in an Accenture, but they're going to go and get good jobs as meaningful to them that gives them some sense itself with that gives them a sense of purpose. And not just helps us help. So many more. No, it's it's I didn't even. I mean, it was like six months. I think you guys emailed and asked us if we could come to the gala, which we can't it's an April. Yeah. But and I was like how do I that gala? So I'll just pull them all on your. Yeah. We have a family calendar in the family. So you can just go in and just I'll just pop them in. And but I'm like, how do I not know about this organization? Like, this is they're doing great work, and it's running endurance. Like where have I been missed? I totally missed it. And I think a lot of people. Yeah. I think I think a piece of it is because you know, at the end of the day like you said, we're not working with folks necessarily under the bridge, unfortunately, because we have a certain type individual this really works law. So we have small in each player right in every market rents. I think that has not necessarily enabled us to blow up in places like New York. What getting a lot bigger and a lot more recognition a lot more notice. And I think the more that we do things like this the more that we can get the name out there and help more than that. Because we have wait lists. We have weightless to the facilities will work in. I do not like having weightless. I like having people in. My program people getting jobs people, you know, getting back on eight. Yeah. I mean, I I would that would surprise me. I mean, it does surprise me that there's a wait list. But well, the members of the bat, so I think I ride the members you go in a homeless civility, and it is the most pressing place in the world. There's no joy in the there's no hope there's no thin. Right. It's and this guy's not like a hotel. I mean, this is all homeless facilities like it's like somewhere between the jail in a hotel. Much simple room jail. I would. Yeah. I would say just in terms of the environment, right? In terms of the the negativity of the environment the shelter stuff. Do phenomenal job to do the best. They can. But at the end of the day. There is limited resources limited money, and the there's just a sense of hopelessness. And there's no joy as no Colo. There's no life in them. And then you get these back on my feet guys running in at like six with the branded back on my feet gear. The high five in that chair in and every single person not facilities like wont shut up translate to. Why are you so happy? Why are you so happy? So they're our best advocates. They go in and basically recruit more members our waiting list. Exactly, what do you do if somebody was a drug addict and an assumed it's expensive to you can't test them. You can't just have to kind of gauge when they show up whether or not hi, everyone of our members that works on the ground in the program is a social worker. So they've had Mary out of experiences with this. With no in recognizing the signs and the symptoms. So if someone comes out in the moment, and they've got any indication or any hint of it. They'll take them aside. And they'll they'll say you need go about facilitate medical meet with you after. And then they'll go and see the case and of silicates to have the conversation. It's like the guys on the ground that do this job. We just got them all together for program staff retreat last week, they phenomenal. Human beings is the hardest job in the world is the hardest job in the world. Because they see they see they see it. Go wrong. It doesn't always go. Right. People die. Sometimes they. Somebody has a disagreement. They get in a fight just who knows like sucked to be there like having them. Sean. I think we'll I mean his story is is is here. We'll bring him in. But his I mean, it's a nominal. He's got a low. That's a this is a lot of layers to his story, including drug addiction and homelessness jail. PTSD ten years at combat. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way we have a lot of veterans in the program. And I think that him we find also get political. I mean, the fact that we don't do anything for these guys that fucking. With the fucking go out by lake honestly, I just can't we shouldn't have to have that runs out program. Right. That's the point. But we do because there's a need. But yeah, it's, but they tend to really I think the regimen off it, right? You know, the the schedule aspects that what we do with that three times a week set time like the kind of they like they they missed that. And they like that and they say that too and then not constant pushing yourself. Okay. Well, now, we're going to do a five K K Hof marathon a marathon and the nature of pushing yourself really something that they've missed or something all site or now we're joined by Shaun Livingston a member beco- feet. We were talking like normally I would say like, you know, but it's cool that y'all are members. Like, that's the pitcher an actual. I wouldn't say like a graduate alumni alumni. There you go. Did you got a crazy story? Thank you. Well, I'm trying. I mean, there's parts that we're a little tricky. It's made me how I am. Yeah. How'd you did you you ran the marathon the other day? I did on your goal was. I don't want to bum you out if you didn't do it. But your goal was to qualify for Boston. That's an eventual goal. So okay. I've already hit my I hit my gopher. I did a one hundred mile race back in November. So that was like my big goal. So I I did that. And then I've been healing up some injuries and all that stuff. So or the other day, it was just for just for fun. But had a saw director has been following me around filming a documentary called walked monster. And so him, and I had a gold woke the monster the monster. Yes. So it's just a story documented to my hundred mile race. And then. Deals a lot with me rebuilding the relationship with my family and like on a little bit re really in depth. What they went through what I went through with the military with addiction and all that. And so he he's been following me around for quite a while so him, and I like joking back and forth. So we had a side bet is he kept. He keeps he wants me to to set a goal that. I'm not gonna he's all about getting the job and everything. So he wants me to right. So he wants me to set a goal. I wasn't gonna reach. And he's like so you're going to qualify for Boston. I'm like me. And I'm I haven't done any serious things since November. I don't know the side joke was as long as Lance doesn't beat me. I'm good to go. And I think I think you you got me by two minutes. What was your time twenty three twenty eight? I heard it was two minutes. I saw you pass me with not pass because I can close. Have to think about the touted guy that I passed right at the end, by the way, at the end of that marathon, I was cross eyed. So you could have been could have been purple. I didn't see you like I was. So I don't know, man. I was I didn't know it was you when I saw the. All the all the shit around. Yeah. So I was like. I was like, I don't I don't remember. I was wondering abandoned everybody gives me grief like on Instagram. They're like is that a band, Anna? Yeah. My woman calls me the crowded kit. Right. It's the whole reason behind the bandana, which I won't bore you with. So then I saw the it must've been the trailer for the film because I read the interview that the marathon did with you. And then at the bottom of the I think the badger on the phone speaker phone with that that that's the last last year back on my feet gaming member of the year. And so that's actually how I met the the director of the documentary woke the monster. And so we did that that back on my feet video. And I still to this day get buddies from the army and people I grew up with people don't even know that it see the video and reach out to me and ask me, you know, what did I do? And it's really overwhelming the video. So you don't start to shed a tear, then you're a robot. Right. I mean, it's to hear your mother, you know, I guess they don't really get into the film probably gets into it. But the must have been years where you just you didn't go home for the holidays right special. The the occasions. And and I mean, I can't even dude I can't even imagine. But you spend ten years at war or in ten years total in military, right, right? Outta high school. I went in the air force reserves. And. Was was on active duty orders pretty much that all the time on did six years got out and was running around, you know, not doing not doing much anything and trying to get back into the the active duty air force. And they just weren't accepting prior service people at the time. So after about two years. Beginning start getting in trouble and stuff like that. You know, not leading down any positive path got into the army and so hit the ground running with the army and about a year end. I was training for to get ready to go to Iraq. And we were just also ended up one day, and we were doing three to five second Russia's where you, you know, you're up then he Jaap and do you go as if you know, you're engaging enemy none or not. So you hop up run for three to five seconds. Dropdown hop back up. It's just I mean, it's basically like exercise but practicing so I just came up weird one time with you know, all the way to the pack and everything on me tweak my back a little bit. And the next day. Just I couldn't even get out of bed. And so. I already had you know, this I already I already liked partying at the time. So that you know that that didn't that didn't help at all when already drinking drinking. I mean, drink we'd ecstasy party. Gotcha party drugs. Nothing nothing hardcore, you know, daily heart nano, I mean on the weekends kind of the culture in the military just to hang out and party get. That's kind of my culture too. But so I mean, very very common, and it's you know, with with addiction, it, doesn't it doesn't discriminate to it. Either. Get you a dozen. There's somebody that can pick up one beer drinking and be fine. And there's other people that you know, you pick up one time, and that's what it is. And so I just always had the the mentality to take anything to the highest level. So and so then. Goes from sort of partying with your buddies on the weekend to hurt yourself. The I don't know. I guess the doctor the like the, yeah. So that they they start. They stuck me on painkillers and began taste. We're talking like painkillers dot every minute. Every day, Mike and Mike in Oxy's and biking, and you know as those become less attack one yet. I got never I've had like surgeries. And I I don't know if I'm maybe it's like, you just said, you get your dozen like I've had a bunch of surgeries where they give you Oxy or whatever just for pain, and I have never anyways. I I've never really felt the pain went away. But it wasn't like, whoa. This is cool, man. Like this ministry thing. Yeah. They hit the Bank like you said it can happen. There's some people that that take opiates, and and they get a down failing sick to their stomach. Then there's other people that get energy. I was one of the people that got energy. I got very outgoing one. You know, let's go to work. Let's let's do this. And so one and then one doesn't work so good. And then right? It takes them more than before. And ended up eight and keeps and so just left on them for a longer period of time. And then when it come time to be taken off them, you know, I I I thought I have poisoning, and I was getting sick. I didn't know what was going on. And then I stopped taking. Yes, G. And so I just had developed for me at that. That point where I knew I could get the sick feeling to go away by just finding another pill. And so I started to do that eventually pills become too expensive. And they dried up, and then there's this, you know, other substance. So eventually it turned into heroin and eventually turned in I've use heroin. And I mean it was my downfall. I got kicked out of the military, but felony or analysis and for heroin. Yes. And so I I was I was really passionate about basketball when I was younger, and I got in a gotten back car accident. And so I kind of lost my. Future and playing basketball. So that's what took me to the military. And then once I lost the military. I was just kind of left with with nothing, but now this addiction, and I mean, it just just spout out of control. I got out of the military, and when we came back from Iraq a lot of. I I lost my squad leader in a pretty pretty tragic way. And he ended up killing mice killing himself and combat. No, no, no. We we got back in he had he had had some issues and ended up taking his wife's life and his life. And so. And so I just we're talking about this before you walked in here. Like, I just the fact that you guys guys and gals over there, and then fight for our freedom and liberty and come back, and it's just like, hey, good. Luck buddy. This bullshit like there's gotta be. I know I'm just ranting. But it is crazy. It's it's it's tough. And then I think I believe it's it's starting to get better. I believe there's more. There's more is on it. And you know, things like this where you're getting exposure and people are more educated. But. Yeah. And then you don't really know in in the mail on the military or just in life in general. You know, you you want to your military, man. You're you're tough. You don't, you know, ask them for help? And all that stuff. You know? I was on. I was under the delusion that I you know, I could I could do it myself. I can kick this. I'll be I'll be good. I can get it under control. And you know, I would I would attempt, and it was just to know to no avail because what happens. I guess is. You know, again, if you believe what you read, you know, the people for whatever reason find Oxy. Probably like a lot like you get hurt. And then all of a sudden it just rolls. And then it it did so expensive and then heroin is so much cheaper and probably easier to get. I mean that that's just bad that we have we always rate homeless at some point in prison. So I I was never technically homelike homeless on the street. There was times where I was living in a hotel or staying on a friend's couch. But I never I excuse me. I never was actually like spending on the street, but I I didn't have a home, right? So homeless in that sense. Yes. And got arrested got arrested one one day down in Waco, Texas, and for drug possession bailed out in that very next day got arrested again for drunk possession. They just pulled you over or it was just me being dumb trying to drive and then doing too much drugs in your car got pulled over once. And then the next day when I built out had done too much and passed out in my car and cops ended up finding me Jesus. And so I went. I went to prison for almost two years, but I rolled out and just hang on hang on. Because this I was curious like because you go to prison as a heroin addict. Yes. So that's like overnight. You're your way. Correct. But. What happens move with? I mean with withdrawals or the detainees or I mean, are is there drugs is their heroin imprison. I didn't I didn't never come come across any Turkey. Ben. Because you went I mean, you you kick you kick wiring county. So you go through that if they know you're doing that they'll put you in like a cell where you know by yourself before they put you in the back, but freaking alligator body. Visit. Yeah, it's it's actually funny in jail. So a lot of what you'll you'll read in here about is a lot of the withdraws or mental. So for some reason being in county, or you know, being locked away somewhere, and knowing that you can't get it kind of takes a little bit of that little bit of that edge off into does the system that system the jail system or the whatever system provide any kind of support any kind of value anything to help with coming off withdraws. No, nothing like that. I also think that's fucked up. I think that that's I mean, that's that's like torture. You sounds like you, you you you worked yourself through it. But for most people I mean, they'd be tweaking out going crazy like. But believe it or not one, you know, once you got to county, you know, for drug addict drug addict wise, you know, normal personal go to county and it would snap in. You know, I got to change something. But for some reason, going accounting and stuff, you know, for for me, particularly it wasn't. I I thought I learned my lesson. But then you get back out, and you just hang out with Saint people you start doing the same thing. That's what you did. I mean, that's what I didn't donate a prison though. Correct. And then when you got out of prison, you started partying again very shortly after oh, oh, I thought that was no, no, no. Oh, okay. It got it. I would say it got much much worse. And then I ended up getting arrested two more times for possession. So then are you working? I I get retirement from the military, so no job. So I feel my time I work with the treatment center, and then also back then I'll just odd jobs. Yeah. Nothing. No career. Definitely. Right. And this is the period where your family is like, our our our son is a mess. Not welcome. When I when I went away to prison when I definitely hit my lowest point, my my mom could picking up the phone. And so it was you know, it was one of the hardest things that I ever had to go through. But it was definitely it was what needed to happen at that time. Right. Yeah. I mean, I I don't I don't I don't blame. I don't blame him one bit. Because you had you had fooled them a couple times right yet. They would you would go home, and they kept, you know, for lack of a better phrase fallen for it. But then finally, they say, no. But as you you guys and gals, listen, it should go watch it. But in the trailer sort of this moment, where your mom, she tells you why they want you to come home. And it's again, it's super motion. But she says she could tell that you're doing better or you are better because of your laugh, and so that only a mom can. Say that mom can know that can understand it. I mean for years she wanted to believe that everything was okay. And I would provide the allusion than it was. But as soon as she we'd get around me to hold it together for a couple of days, and then something would happen that would you know that she would know better. And she she wanted to believe it, then I I got in trouble, you know, two more times. And so I wanted to go back to prison. So yes. So I was I was done with the the trouble from before. But I had that on my record. So I get in trouble these two times, and I bonded out of county. So I was out but still awaiting to go to court to find out what happened and I got a lawyer. And I I'll never forget the lawyer looking at me saying like, what do you want me to do with this? You know, you've got you you, I I can't fight this. And so at that time, I just said if you can give me a little bit of time to try to rebuild things with my family to try to clean up or anything. He goes. Okay. I'll try to do that. So he had told me the judge had. Come down in was saying twenty years, and that he wasn't going to budge off that they were going to enhance my fourth my fourth felony, and they're going to charge him with habitual criminal. And so, you know, for a long time I wanted to run around and run around in the street and be a tough guy and all that stuff. But when a judge when you hear judge say twenty years, all that the tough guy stuff goes out the window. So that's that's when I'm like, you know, something something's got to change. So I went and I did eight months treatment at the VA in temple, Texas, and my mom had actually come down and visit me, and we went to visit my lawyer, and I started going to a and I had a a great group of people give behind me, and they hit me a bunch of letters. So I had a big photo of all the stuff I'd done over the past eight witnesses or or. Yeah, letters, and so I walked in showed it to my lawyer. And he just remember him sitting back, and it was it was awesome. I mommas air. He's back. He's like I never expected this. He goes, whatever you're doing need you to keep doing it. And I think we have a real chance at possibly possibly being able to get you probation. And so it was like, okay. He goes, whatever you're doing keep doing it. So I had found out about a treatment center here in Austin in years before I lived in Austin, and it was one of my lowest points when I ended up going away to prison all that the first time. So I was a little skeptical about coming back to Austin. And when I was here, I didn't never see what the city had good to offer. I'd only ever seen the bad stuff amazing city. And so it's one of the best I've ever ever been so thankful I'm here. And so I found out about the treatment center called a new entry here in Austin. And went there to six months, six months, silky and edition of eight months at the game. And so. In retrospect, all the years that I dedicated to getting messed up another six months of my life was a very small price to pay and thinking about twenty years. And so I was I was just it was just a time when I became willing to do anything. And I just remember it was the first time I'd been provided any hope that there was you know, maybe light at the end of the tunnel. And when they when they said, maybe probation, and all that it was the first time I'd ever felt a sense of like this is it this is your last shot. Yeah. This is this is this is your one shot. And I remember my mom sitting next to me crying. And I was so I just really felt like I see opportunity. Yeah. So I started and then you find these guys right back home a feat. Yeah. Some some guy we're not a runner you're basketball player. Right. Running was always punishment to me. I never I didn't have a ball in my hand. I was in trouble for something. So I never in a million years. I used when I found out in high school that people ran cross country. I was like what? Got you just go out, and I ran track and cross country in high school. It was a little little runner nerd, right? If I knew the levels, I took my basketball game too. If I was out there running like that. And you were to sixty two hundred sixty doesn't one ninety one ninety five. Would you say what I read are less pump? Traveling on ninety five. Right. This is like I had a Charles Barkley on a few weeks ago, and I was in and I was talking I how his weight game up. And I was like, yeah. You to something. He's like, let's just stop right there. His ass is biggest I'm not lovey lovey, Charles. And I know you're not he's acids is big. So it has to start with a three. Don't you agree? Yeah. They were all there big you see him walk around. And you're like. Anyway. So those those Sutan good on on MBA dancy. Yeah. That's good. Art. So you find them and you commit to the program, which we Katie. And I were talking about before you got here. But then, you know, maybe it was that has it always been Katie has always been three days a week. Yes. The commitment that Monday Wednesday Friday. Yeah. Some some guys come back to the treatment center, and they had just run the captain K, and I'd already gotten like health conscious watching when I eight and like looking to get into something active was going to the park and playing basketball when they would let us and some guys came back from the captain came for some reason, it just kind of sparked that competitive edge that I hadn't felt for years. And I was like man, I I could do that. But I'm just being honest. I'm like, I could beat those guys. So yeah, I went went to the first day. I was still smoking cigarettes. I couldn't even run two miles. I was I was dying. And but for the next five months, I I never I never missed a day even on the option days. I I would make it there unless they cancelled it like extreme weather, which we don't get much, but never miss it. Extreme weather cancellations. Like we see them in to insist season. And I'm like, okay, Boston council because the seventy seventeen feet of snow and then Austin council because it's like a little bit of rain online cash windy. Have you seen people drive in this town when it rains neighborhoods the worst? She's like, I'm not sure why we're not got get in hand. Or where is it taking so long though, this city is great as it is not going to get my flight on my they're not going to be able to they don't do planes. Stop. I'm seaman because it's raining. We have a long room. This was an old air force base. This wasn't this is the fun little factoid. That was because it was the Bergstrom air force base. They close it in the eighties. The runways are super long that was an alternate. Landing spot for the space shuttle. That's how long these runways are. Nobody knew now. So they can get out. They just go and go and go, and then they finally take off you'd be planes day. Yeah. Ideally, ideally daily. And they and they keep. Yeah. Okay. How old are you at that time like your holiday now thirty six thirty two cents a win win. Did you do your first run? Two thousand. To done something. Oh, that's recent. Day, and you ran three twenty seven. Yup. So I yeah, I've only been rolling along the running about two years wish should run together down. I saw. So that's that's what I was gonna say. I I run mainly. I remember mostly trail race. This way better than a hate pavement too. Yeah. So glad you said. Better for you. So I was I was telling Jack I was like at some point. I gotta ask them if I can get him out to get him out to a shell race because you're training pretty hard for the marathon. Right from what I had heard. I was I noticed I noticed in the comments section people were trying to follow you on Straub. And and all that stuff. So I knew you were training for it. But I was just. Hamstring. There's a. Feet one. Oh that Saskia into that. One. We know anybody who works there the Patel's. Yeah, we use stock. I'm meeting, and I think that they just. Yeah. Out in right when right when I started getting cold. It was actually the it was actually the day. I ran my race. And Joe one in the semi right Bigfoot trail race. Nothing does one I could be wrong. Come the website Bigfoot trail rice, check it out last come in. So this guy, you know, we just heard your story. I mean to me is amazing to go from the low the lowest of lows and then to start Ryan two years ago now running hundred miles which is. That's the epitome of our whole thing around here is is we do. Right. So who, you know, most people in when I look at one hundred mile. I'm like who who wants to do that and a whole bunch of people standing on the start line or like we do. Right. But that's that's just twenty seven hours. I guess you didn't sleep not faint the hallucinate. Yeah. At one point. I remember at one point I told the guys behind the guy behind me asked me where the the next group of guys that were ahead of us were they went, and I said, I think over the covered bridge, and there was no covered bridge. Right. So I don't know what not nothing major. I hear about some people having some pretty major ones. But. Yeah. Paste of buddy of mine who did western states from mile sixty to eighty and I mean, he was an it was trip because it's dark, and you have the headlamp on and Eric burns us. He's been on this podcast is former baseball player. He's now looking endurance freak junkie obsessed. But he was the shit. He was saying mass monkey. Then you're like dinosaur. I'm like, dude. But. Yeah. It was the first time I'd ever felt myself go like run run into the night was the toughest part. You know, you've already ran started seven thirty in the morning. She already ran all day all afternoon all evening, and then like sleep deprivation starts setting in your more lactic acid. And I mean, obviously, you know, more about that. But more more than I've ever felt about never done anything for twenty seven hours. Okay. So you got me there. Okay. So any? Then I don't wanna I don't wanna jinxing thing here. But any do you have any Tim tation to ever go back to that life? No. I mean, I'm if you go to a bar, or if you're with I mean, you've separated yourself from that, I've I've I've done in the party friends and I'm saying, right? So the the one of the biggest things back favors able to help me with was and I go around, and I speak a lot of places I do work in treatment center and all that. And my my whole main message is for for people to use the time whether it's in treatment or wherever to build some sort of foundation to go out too. So I I looked at what was different about all the other times I did treatment as opposed to this time, and what was different, and it was definitely because being that treatment center and being introduced to something that I became passionate about a meeting the people to do it with. So a lady her name's penny lane. When that I've met through back on my feet. She's on the on the board. She's who introduced me to trowel running inside met this trail running world and just some of the most supportive. You know, true true friends, you know, when? When when I was locked up. I thought I had friends, but none of them are write me letters are asking me how I was put money on my books, but I have friends now that, you know, tell me good morning or happy birthday, or you know, the truly truly care about me. And so my own message people is to go out and build that foundation. So when you do go out, and you do hit a scenario where you know, your initial instinct was to always use before. Now, I just have so many things in place, whether it's in the recovery world, you know, I have all stay connected with the recovery world with the running world. Yes. So I've just done a lot of work around it. You know, if if I was in jeopardy of going somewhere and feeling like that. There's obviously something wrong that I needed to do some work around and figure that out. But I mean, the the idea like the I'm conscious that I'm you know, that you know, I was a heroin addict back, then I'm, you know, I'm I'm always I'm always conscious of it. I know it, but I'm so thankful to have what I. I have in my life and the. I remember running my first race. And what it felt like to get that big meadow around my neck, and it was a I mean it was like a drug in itself. And so I was hooked from that from that point on. So I'm so focused with run these ways races. And I've been blessed to actually win a couple. And so it's amazing. How many? Not better. But there's something there, but the the and it's not a high percentage, but it's a higher percentage of people that do these long trail runs. He's hundred miles that have that have overcome addiction overcome mental health issues, and there's multiple Baratheon. Am. I've had some form of addiction in the past. Right. We we see I actually Caroline. Harlingen between like success. It's like you turn it into something positive like you said, you got the medal and it gave you a high. Like, it's like, it's it's a it's a positive. I'm not I'm not a scientist. I don't know the proper terms. But what does definitely when when I had started running whatever it did to make the serotonin dopamine connections. But you know, my thinking became clearly when I got out of the military and came back from Iraq and all that stuff and losing my best friend losing my squad leader, you know, I had horrible depression ruin a robot anxiety panic disorder nightmares. All that stuff. And they Medicated Medicated Medicated. It never did. You know, it never helped never solve the problem. When I started running all that melted away. You feel like when you go out on a two or three hour, rod or whatever. I mean, you can just process. I mean, I I've never had let me maybe I have had PTSD because I've been to wild period. But. It just feels like. Just based on my years of experience that you would be able to unwind a lot of that. You know, did these massive wires that that comes with war combat or trauma one on one hundred percent. Yeah, that's my meditation. That's my medicine. If I have a problem on just about something. And I go run on it. Yeah. It's I'm I'm always able to come back think level-headed see it from all different angles. It's I mean, it's it's really a miracle. How something is something as basic as running Running's, not some complex complex things for human being. But. And that's why we're supposed to cycling. You gotta go. If you trap like travel. I mean, running just easy like, okay, let's pack the running shoes. And no matter where you are you can figure out where to go or run on a treadmill, or with cycling, and all the United just more complicated. Like, you can't use gonna roll around our travel with a bike all the time and all the gear and try to figure out where you're going to go for fifty miles. It's painting S beautiful another thing. I the thing. I love about it is it's it's just you out there, especially when you're out in nature on like on a child race. No phone. No your phones. Nothing like that. No noise. No. Why find anything like that? The the one time. I'm you're familiar with obviously familiar thoughts of Bokhary spoke Bokhary child creek is up off Audrey sixty. Yes. Yeah. So another is there still trails. Oh, yeah. Beautiful. Trump's let's go. Place to go. I just ruined the green belt on that's boring. It's have you ever been river place. Hades runs out there all the time. I've never done that he loves it. So I go I go to repeats out there all the time. It's twenty seven hundred steps just down up down. But I remember running bull creek one time in the sun was just coming up. And I just come out this part where the trees parted and was with a group of my running friends that I run with on Sunday. And I just remember looking at that that whole scene of north Austin hills and everything like that. And like it's giving me goosebumps now. Like, that's when I was man, my life has changed like, I it was the most special movie moment that I can think of at that time, but put it in the movie, right? Yeah. Dude, thanks for being here. Absolutely. Woke woke woke woke the monster woke the monster. We should be only on only when can we watch it. We should be done filming he said in April, and then it'll go into editing, and then hopefully summer, I hopefully get in some film festivals. And then one day see it on Netflix or they're laying dot com or some odd. All all that's coming all that Shaun Shaun Livingston dot com. So I started trying to do S H A W S. Yeah. Right. Not like the basketball player, but S H A W N V. I N G S T O N. Yeah. And on I am Shaun Livingston on Instagram. So just started to awesome. All you. We're going to run it. Let's do it. But I I was like the other day. Like, all right. I'm done. I threw away my running shoes. Did you who they stuck by the way, they smelled so bad? I mean, I take these things off people in the house be like, dude. I mean, they hated me, but they're gone. But I got about some new ones on the on Amazon. So there I'll be with you. It's it's so funny. How you know at the every every big race. I did whether you know, my first fifty K the hundred K one hundred mile. I would get to a point. And be like why that what am I doing? Why am I doing this to myself? There's no reason to run this far or like towards towards the end of the marathon. And it's funny how the next day creeps around. And you're like when's the next one? That's. And for you traded one addiction for another addiction. You should just pursue that. I tell people all the time. I'm lucky I found an avenue to apply my addict mentality to awesome, pull it for me. Thank you. Thank you so much, Katie. And where do we gotta go to learn more about back on my feet? Just yet back on my feet. Delo, just go to the website or G out back and the translator. My dog browse on Twitter back on my feet, Instagram back on my Facebook. And yeah, join us on the run because I don't really feel like you really get what we do to go on around before this. I didn't mean everybody else lives you to I guess. I actually told us before we did this. I have to do one of the runs and just we're living up in Colorado. And I don't know. So it's it's not what launching Denver in some Sobe. We'll be launching there in the summers out. I said city fifteen. Few months come that. The tech website. A lotta y'all. Q cost a lot.

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Gottlieb  All Ball - Warriors won't overcome the injuries; Doug on R.J. Hampton's decision; NBA Draft Guru Rashad Phillips talks top prospects

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Gottlieb All Ball - Warriors won't overcome the injuries; Doug on R.J. Hampton's decision; NBA Draft Guru Rashad Phillips talks top prospects

"Hey, animal lovers. I'm Katie golden. I studied psychology never legionary biology, and I host a comedy educational podcast called creature feature will delve into some of the most unbelievable animal and human behaviors on season, two of creature feature I'm joined by guests comedians. And scientists as we dive into the minds of some of the craziest creatures evolution has ever spun and see the world from their eight is every Wednesday will discover some freaks of nature like the critter that cries blood new aquatic transformer that eats zone brain as we explore the fantastic animal world will look inside ourselves and learn what it means to be humans. Whether we're really that different from our hairier cousins. Listen to creature fusion, subscribe, it apple podcasts are on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Ali, and you well, you are listening to all all basketball all the time every week. I have a guest with me. I give you my thoughts. I give my, my dreams my aspirations and today we're coming to you on a Thursday. It's the day after the Toronto Raptors whooped up on the Golden State Warriors. They've taken a three games to two lead. And of course, as you probably already know, guessing maybe. Kevin Durant is out for game for Klay. Thompson was to be back for game for might my biggest concern. And maybe this is because when I got to be thirty years old. Maybe it was like thirty two thirty three. I remember playing and I had never been hurt. I have guys on my radio show, would you can listen to daily from three to six eastern told through Pacific? I have guys who radio show that always like, what you were an athlete, you were hurt like literally knock wood. I've never really been hurt with this is the exception when I got to my may. Maybe it's thirty five when I got to my mid thirties. My mid thirties. All the sudden they pulled my hamstring. And you know, when you're not on a team, you don't have to build a rehab, you simply feel terrible for a day like you come home, and your kids are like you hurt yourself. Yes. Yes, I did. Anyway. So you'll in Bonn in the ice and then you lay off it, you stretch it. I would do is the way I came back was by doing yoga, you start to try and live with it. And sometimes it takes a month off, and I remember I would get hurt take time off. And then I would come back and I would do it again. And the thing about pulling a hamstring is like it feels at the time like you ripped in half. Even though all the sudden like the strength returns to it and you're fine like inexplicably, but there's usually like one move or two different bends or twist where it feels like you had the back of your hamstring actually blown off by a shotgun. And it just comes back, and I can't think that five days later, Klay Thompson will be fine, if they don't have LV Klay Thompson. How can they possibly expect to beat the Toronto Raptors? And eventually, they think they'll get back, Kevin Durant. But if he's not back yet. How can they expect it to beat the Toronto Raptors you know, three games to one seems to be the magic number? I'll bring him back. But like if you if your calf hurts that bad, still how do you expect to play? And how do you expect to play? Well when you haven't played the game in like three weeks. Granted we're looking at average guy stuff and trying to measure up against superstar athletes, and how their bodies will respond. But they're not matching up with average guys. They're superstar athletes matching up with superstar athletes. So I think I'm ready to call it. I don't think Toronto is better than the Golden State Warriors. Valley's better. But you know what? I do think I do think they're healthier and because they're healthier they're going to win this series. Now, I've, I've heard a couple of people. Say that there is something disappointing about Steph curry like if you're saying that boy, you got your just making arguments to make arguments. Maybe this is why I don't have. I haven't been a fulltime guy on some of these debate shows. Because I listened to the argument of why you know, Steph curry, he's not. This is not that 'cause it's not just that he doesn't have Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, kevon looney. I it's three starters. There isn't a human being alive. That could be competitive with a championship caliber team. If you're down three starters. Remember, this is essentially what happened to the Cleveland Cavaliers when they lost. They lost earlier in the playoffs they'd lost Kevin love, and then they lost Kyrie Irving after game one and that thing went to six games. And of course, the Bron James is peak, LeBron James. But then factor in will you have to factor in his Tristan Thompson would have had to been hurt and missed. And then whoever it is the second best player in that series. JR Smith would have had also been injured. And if that was the case, I don't employing injured. I give no chance none. So it's not just that you're losing your to best scores not name. Steph curry is the fact that you're essentially starting three bench players, because then as these finals go on you have to get deeper into your bench. And now you're really dealing with Jacob Evans played last night. Like damn, I forgot he was on the warriors. They've been playing a started Jordan bell in game one. He didn't play in game two. He hadn't been playing until the end of the rocket series. And that was only because of injuries he been so snuggled up with the bone in the doghouse. I take nothing away from staff playing magnificently and the team not being good enough around him. What I do think is this really hurts anyone's argument about dream on and Andre dollar being hall of famers. They're great role players, and loved the roles and succeed in the roles in which they play with the warriors. But but they can't help carry a team when two starters down or three starters are down. That's not the makings of a hall of Famer be sure to catch live. Additions of the Doug Gottlieb show. Weekdays at noon eastern, three PM Pacific on Fox Sports radio and the iheartradio app. One other thought here on something happened in, in college basketball. I love that. They're moving the three point line back. I love that. There's a short and shot clock on offense rebound. I think these things are fantastic for the betterment of the game. Fantastic. But the, the RJ Hampton thing is weird. Look, we're going to talk about it here with, with Rashad Phillips. My, my guest this week. I just. I don't really understand. Why people are so do I think college coaches, all of them prepare you perfectly for the NBA like no different styles different systems. But I also think that college coaches buying large. Have helped raised promote nurtured eighteen to twenty two year olds. Like that's what they do. That's what they've done for their professional lives. And there's a different type of coaching in a different type of teaching and there's little things that need to be refined. And I think so many players need this. Needed. Absolutely, positively need it and. But RJ Hampton choosing to do so choosing to forego it and go to New Zealand like all right? I think they thought out the decision. My issue is RJ. Hampton came out after announcing he was going to New Zealand said, yeah. Actually signed the contract a month ago. What is with the dog and pony show? And why at least playfully engage with three schools, Texas Tech and Kansas and Memphis, and I think those schools had a little bit of a heads up that this might happen, but having signed a contract, you don't do that. You don't do that in any business. And if we're going to champion his family for helping him make this thoughtful decision, one that values education. How about one the values it's just simple. You pick up the phone you call Bill self pick up the phone, you call penny. Hardaway, you pick up the phone you call crispier to go. Hey coach. It's been great getting to know you, I hope to contended keep this relationship, I'm gonna try some different. I'm gonna go to New Zealand and play for a year and the area for the NBA and get ready for the NBA and they may talk try and talk to you out of it. The they may offer up some perspective on why they think it's a good idea why they think it's not a good idea. But they've been told no before they can be told. No. Again, I just don't understand how somebody's dad doesn't go, like, hey, you gotta tell these guys, you can't go on national TV and pretend and, and pretend like this is a big decision when the decision's already been made three or four weeks ago. But this is the social media thing everybody else's wrong except the athlete except the player where they're the ones that are always, right. Let's just ground the conversation for a second. There's two point two billion people who use Facebook. That's about the size of Christianity. There's one point nine billion people who use YouTube. It's about the size of Islam. Welcome to sleep. Walkers, a podcast about how technology is changing our lives in ways. We don't even notice. How long did to is on? I don't know if that one, we dig into the new technology that is altering, how we understand the world and ask, what effect is it having on us based on what people were searching full. We could direct them to videos on YouTube at counted ISIS propaganda. I'm Karen price on sleep. Walkers, we dive deep into the revolution and find out what it means for our future, with the people who are building it every week will bring you mind-blowing accounts of AI in daily life from algorithms in American courtrooms to a UFO that came out of the sky in northern Mexico. Like in subscribe to sleep walkers on apple podcasts, the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Let's welcome in Rashad, Phillips, course he has his own media company yellow helps cover the Orlando Magic. You can follow him on Twitter. He's got he's got his own YouTube channel. He was a great player. Detroit played a ton professionally, and we're going to break down some of the players in this upcoming draft and. The NBA finals without further do my man Rashad Phillips resigned. Let let's start with last night's game. Obviously it Steph against the world. He was he's as good as he can be considering kind of a one man band, and you don't have a ton of space. Did we learn anything and all from last night? We, we actually got to see how good Steph curry really is by himself. I think I think he reminded people that he is a dominant offense of force. I, I think we did see that last night to me the reminded me of when Steph was in date was at Davidson. And, and he had to kind of carry his team, that was kinda reminiscent of his college days. I've heard people say, well, this is what it was like for LeBron last year in the playoffs. It wasn't two thousand fifteen some similarities, no kyri, no, Kevin love. But again, then you factor. And then there'd be no Tristan Thompson, or no. You know, there's no starting say, like not have looney. And then you also didn't have Andre Dala a healthy. Andre good dollar like right? And it wasn't as top heavy roster as this roster is I okay? So let's assume clay plays gate on four but we don't know about Kevin Durant. How do you see the series in that situation? I think Golden State wins that one, I, I just think that he did miss Klay Thompson more than he missed Kevin Durant, because I, I really believe that Steph is more accustomed to playing with somebody who's similar like him on the parameter, as of Kevin Durant, is more of a eyeso- guy. I don't want to get off subject. But I know Kevin Durant had a forty five forty six point game against Toronto in the regular season. And they lost to but back to your question I think what clay out there and if he's healthy if he's ninety percent. I think he gives them a better opportunity to win gang for because he you still got to honor him. He's still shoots the ball well enough. To you have to switch the coverage as a lot and it opens it up four guys like bogut. And cousins cousins was asked to do too much yesterday. And he just kind of looks like he's not in game shape yet. So I think Klay on the floor give a Golden State a better opportunity to win a game for your big on this, this. Your narrative, is that steps points are more impactful. Yeah. Right. Then then katie's points. Expound on that. Why I think steps points, cut deeper, the term, I use, and be because if the -bility to make shot at certain times where it's just the moralize into the defense. I think when, when Kevin Durant scores it's like, oh, okay. Seven foot guy can't block his shot. And that's I mean he's an alien. But when you have a six foot three dot come down and dance on you and hit a three pointer from from thirty five feet and turn away before it goes in. I think it just it's sinks deeper into the soul of the opposing players. And that's why I think that his points are just third. They're more impactful, and it's three pointers almost like dunk, though, when they go down the crowd explodes, even on the road, even takes the air out of you. Or he helps the air ending in you. Depending on where it yet. Yeah. I mean I kind of think you're hitting the point. But missing the point the same time I just think it's basic math, but three is more than two. And it's it's the, the calculation we're kind of we struggled with for a long time as basketball guys or especially coaches, you know, is the young. Hey, it's actually better to shoot these threes than it is to shoot range twos. And I think they can be more impactful because you can make up points quicker. You just can. And when he hears two or three zero and all of a sudden, you know, three trips equals nine points and then you foul and the most devastating play. I think in basketball, we the foul on the three point shot, right? Because. Yeah. Because because you feel like you know you did everything you could and you follow a guy now. You just it's almost like you feel like an idiot when you're a player, you're doing, and you're just trying to do at your coach told you which is do not leave this guy lock in trail or no no heirs at all. So I think it's I think it's the math to it because I, I would say, there's a, I would play the other side in that Andy can be ever bit as devastating. Because he's so good that you can everything. Right. And have a guy right there. And he's just bigger and better than you. And he just makes his shot over your best defender. And there's an inevitability with his scoring that can be equally devastating. The differences, the math of a guy who can hit you for seven or eight threes, as opposed to Katie who can make threes. But that's not necessarily what he does best right now. I just think that it's the person as well like, you know Livingston point if being hit three three point. I think his three three pointers is not equivalent to three three pointers from curry. It may sound strange. It may not make sense math wise, but as a basketball player, if Shaun Livingston hits three threes on me. And Steph curry, his three threes on the, it's a little different. It hose hold the different weight. Livingston hits three threes on you. The season should be cancelled. I don't believe he's actually I I'm trying to remember when the last time he hit a three was, I say. Raised guy, but. It's just the players different carry different. Wait, what? Their points f curry three pointers are more devastating than anybody else. Three pointers in the NBA period. Now there's other guys that have allowed, by the way. My point Shaun Livingston has the most threes. He hit an entire season. An entire season was in third year before you hurt his knee in the NBA. He had five threes and the entire season, that's kind of like here's a guy who, again, we're, we're getting off on Panton. Shaun. Livingston is thirty three right? He's played nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen seasons in the NBA, which is crazy hit thirty. And he's he came in as a point guard. He's in thirteen threes in his career in his so to anybody who says, and this is I want to get get which on this one to anyone who says have to shoot threes to play in the NBA today, you, Shaun Livingston, who is thirteen of seventy three. One seven eight three point percentage for his entire career. And yet, he's a three time NBA champion and has the chance to be a four-time NBA champion and has a magnificent career. What would Shaun Livingston signifies to me, and I think Steph does as well. And I'm talking about the summer radio show difference in those guys and a kyri is they actually know who they are right thought you made a great point on your show. Yes, I watched that you made for people and support, you can listen to my show daily on Fox Sports radio from three to six eastern three Pacific flash. Portrait of dot com can download the. And the idea is just like kyri spent this entire season. Trying to convince us, he's a leader is not correct. He tries in says he's a point guard. He tried to convince us even in the playoffs like no, no, I can relate our defense, a great defensive like a, you're not a great defensive player like stop. He kept switching and trying to guard Yana Santana. Kubo like whereas steady very like look steps, not a great offender. So you know what he does. He doesn't he doesn't. He is which enough on these dudes. Hell no. Step is step is not a bulge to being, you know point guard. He's not something dudes up like he's just going to I'm just going to be best f curry, I can be an Shaun Livingston's an example that, like Shaun Livingston's shooter, you know what he's not doing. He ain't shooting jump shots. He shooting fifteen in. He is deadly, you know, play twenty minutes give you everything I got moved the ball. If I give my little push my mid range, bull up. I'm gonna take it otherwise. I'm good, bro. Right. Which is which the true pro. Okay. So that brings me to if I'm Brooklyn, do I want, Kyrie Irving. I don't know. I don't think that's a good one. Because you, you, you basically leave in a better team to go to a less qualified team that's up and coming, so it was like, what are you, what are you going to do with that? What are you gonna do with that? And, and I don't think that kyri wanted to I don't think he wants to be coached up. I don't think he wants to be coached. I just think I read is a Rhoda balls out type of guy and let me dance man. I don't want you don't draw. No Xs and os for me. Just let me hoop. And I think Brad Stevens. I know Brad Stevens personally he is a coach. He wants to coach players. Kyri doesn't want to be coach that it was a bad. Bad combination. Dugout Lee Rashad Phillips here on the all ball podcast. Okay. So. I look, I've heard some crazy things I've heard like the thing, the Boston guys couple of Boston guys told me is that, yes, he, he's constantly challenging thority constantly changing being coached. And he's also one of those guys that he's not he's not an idiot, right? Like let's not do now. I don't know if he's nearly as smart as he gets credit for right like he's one of those guys that like he's intelligent. Right. But he thinks he's like he thinks he's a Mensa member. And so he gets himself into conversations that he really doesn't know how to get out of. Yeah, that's. And it's one of those guys it's like the it's like the really, really attractive girl who's been torn she's attractive. And so she walks around, like she's a ten and like look cheese in eight and not, she's an eight, but she's been told she's a ten a whole life. She's been told you to ten carries whole life. He's been told that he's like a Mensa member. And so he really thinks it when the truth is like he's his, I, but all those Celtics are smart smart guys. Right. Like like a Brown is. Like, that's, that's kind of what they have like Al Horford. Smart guy. And so you're walking into a room of intelligent people who are sitting there going like this do doesn't know what he's talking about. And I just I it's, it's gonna be fascinating to see if in his next landing spot, and it doesn't appear that he stays there. Makes the team better. I'm a fan for gourmet super. Yes. He does. Things. Hooper Rod Strickland, his godfather. That's the last guy I can remember who point guard could finish like that. Like. It's amazing amazing. But I don't know if he makes you better, and it's weird that he's gotten to this place where. Coming into the year. I was told no way he does LeBron thing because he doesn't like the LeBron noise and non on it like. But that might actually be the best thing for him. Yeah, but it goes back to your, your analogy, it's the omelets hand and witne abroad. And I'm eight. So do you go to L A, M V eight? Or do you go to Brooklyn and carry yourself like a team you know, so that's kinda the situation that he's in, you know, in this? I don't know if this term makes sense to a lot of people, but I'm gonna say this Connery urban to me. I think he's too talented. Does that make sense? Yep. Okay. All right. You don't need this happens. This happens in football, especially in high school in college football where you have the quarterback that is so talented that don't this is one of the reasons I think some athletic quarterbacks. Even the Johnny Manziel's of the warlike, Johnny. Obviously the off the field stuff, but he was so physically gifted, and so brazen yet that he didn't. He never had to. He never had to sit there watch him by in and understand going through progressions. Right. And so all of a sudden, when you get when you get to big boy football and everybody run now you get exposed, where walks with Kyrie is as talented as he is his. There's a deficit there in terms of he didn't play your Duke. So we didn't really understand how to defend the ball the concepts. Yes. Yes. And then and then he'd never he didn't understand how to lead because though LeBron leads in a different way than other guys. Like he never kind of got there was just all this kind of interrupted growth, right? Yeah. Injury dot college. And yeah, I yeah, I see that. All right. Let's get to this to this year's NBA draft. This is where I, I love how on. Do you take Zion number one without blinking? Say that again, do takes I on them one where without blinking. Like because I know you're a huge job, rant guy. Are you so brazen, like it's not going to happen, but just the dollars and sense of it with Zion Williamson feeling seats? And but if just from a from a pure analysis standpoint, would you job ahead of Zion? Yeah. Yeah. I will come basketball standpoint, not not, including all ticket sales, and market -bility. I'm speaking from a basketball standpoint from basketball is, I think the point guard I said this before the point guards or like quarterbacks you, you, you can't stabilize your franchise without a guy that throws touchdown passes. John rent throws touchdown passes. And I think Ziad Williamson is more. I know I'm talking football. We both football guys nothing Diana's more like the Davey and cloudy, you know, like the, the Myles Garrett like the pass rusher. You know, the guy that can rush that can put his hand in the dirt, and pass whereas we can spend up in the three four I think I that's what I think, Zion. So it's basically are you going to pick the pass rusher that's maybe capable of getting eighteen sex? Or do you draft a quarterback? That's possible of being Peyton Manning. That's how that's how I look at it in football terms. So I like John Moran. Better from a basketball standpoint. In regards to the ball is going to be in his hands ion is more. Its success is gonna be predicated on what other people do for him. The lobs he has to catch put him in position to score, Josh going to create his own opportunities. He's gonna make his own playgrounds. So that's just maybe that's just the point guard in me. But that's just kinda how the game I love the I love the quarterback analogy. The the one. The, the thing I do think Zion brings and is a hard. One is, I think he's the everyone in the league has been looking for the next dream on right? Yes. You want. Hardened curry and dominate Ella handler. And. But I do think those guys tend to come along more than another dream on and by Draymond. I mean can you I know you do? But can you guard one through five? He king handle ball and make plays and initiate enough offense. I think he can. And then can you score down the post, and I think he's actually way further long, maybe even now than drain on net like dream on doesn't really score down there at all. Doesn't even always me guy. Yeah. I know. But this guy, this guy is and, and, and I so I get it like I get it being terms of the usage rate of job. Our aunt and RJ Barrett is going to be if on a bad team is going to be super high. And so their numbers should should reflect not just scoring but assist and, and you're going to run your offense through them. But I do think the Zion is there's a little bit of unicorn. Him in that help you at both ends and with the right team. He he may be. He may be as or more valuable piece. Even if the numbers don't reflect us such. I understand that totally. And I and I like I do I think there's a, there's a magnetism about him, and he has some intangibles that you can't teach a great teammate. He's a great help. Defender, obviously us the per athlete, and he, but, you know, withdrawing mind you know, he doesn't have great mon-. I q you know, he doesn't have that feel for the game to get. But I think that's something that you can grow into, if you put the right guys around him. All right. Let's, let's start to work our way down the first one of the. Yeah. Yeah. We were we were all told RJ was the guy coming into the year. And now we're all told well, see the problem was the spacing of college basketball shooting with Duke and RJ's season. Didn't look as good as it could have because the sport because the supporting cast and everyone in New York is convinced you absolutely take RJ Barrett. Third. I seem as a bit mechanical. I also think, in here's my biggest issue with RJ and like, look if they're not going to get Kyrie I guess, it, doesn't it doesn't matter. But. If he's not, he doesn't have the ball in his hands playing downhill be. What is he doing? And in order to do that. You gotta be you gotta be trae young skill or as a rookie or you gotta be. You know, are you eventually James harden? Eventually Russell Westbrook. Are you eventually Steph Korea? And I I'm not willing to put that stamp. You evaluate him a ton. Yeah. What do you think of our J? I, I think the first of all I want to talk about the the mentality that he has. I think he's thinking the most competitive kit in drafts alongside Nazeer little, I just think that RJ possesses a dog in him because usually guys. And we, we know this, where Hooper's but, you know, usually guys that have a lot of dog in them don't have a lot of skill because they have to make up in those areas. You know, I, I played with a lot of guys like he can't really job with that, well, but he's a dog. He can't really run that fast. But he's a dog. He doesn't really suit it that well, but he's a doll. And I think R J falls under that definition. And I think he's a nosedive score. Or he's just straight down the line. He's great in transition. He's, he's great initiate contact. But when the ball is not in his hands. I don't see enough still level where he can help team in regards, the kidneys, stand in the corner and makes them three point shots because that's the way the game is I see him more being a better defensive player than what we've given them credit for and my NBA comparison and a lot of people don't like this. And they've been mad at me, but I said he was he's he reminds me of Kelly Oubre, and that wasn't a slight. To him. It's just what I see him turning into in the NBA a, a three in d guy that can slash and get out in transition and be seventeen point scored in the league. I don't see him averaging twenty six. He's not dynamic enough for that. So if you don't do R J Barrett. Who what would you do? If I'm the Knicks. Ooh. I'm probably I would try to trade that tick. Okay. So let's let's let's take the Knicks out of it. Would be what prospect, would you think is a better? I this is let's let's get into this discussion because this hasn't been had by anybody else. I know you know, you see him you see, Tracy McGrady, right? I think so. Mcgrady and up. I do. I personally came in and I, I was like, man, I love camera tish. I've, we'll talk to me say, don't there's, there's something about personality wise. They say like he plays basketball but he ain't. Yeah. He doesn't. I don't know if it's love the game. There's a there's a there's again, these are reputation wise. There's a sense of a lack of toughness. There's a there's a bit of an an entitled. Yep. People think is a little bit entitled like he's a guy who when he pops out of the car and walks into the gym you're like damn, you know, right. Yeah. I would right. Two hundred pounds. One wingspan eight nine standing reach. But, but they don't they don't love him in the NBA. They just think there's so many highs in so many lows. There's some pout to him and that he's a guy who in an empty Jim looks a whole lot better. When than when there's nine guys on the floor. Now, you know who you're just described to me. You just described Randy moss to me. That's what you described and football terms, I believe Cam reddish is the Randy moss. It is draft you. It's a lot of his red flags are narrative base all the things that you said is the it's the narrative has been created around his kid, but he had all the natural physical gifts to be really great. So as a as a GM of organization, I can't pass on a guy like that. If I with on this wind up, I just whiff on it because what you said still makes me wanna draft him. It's still makes me wanna draft him like this is a kid that could possibly be. Tracy McGrady or he can be Joe Johnson. And I got a swing at that one. And if I went, hey man look, the take told me this, this is what I saw. And this was his capabilities or he turned into Joe Johnson. Okay, no problem. So that's, that's kinda how I look at cameras is I just think that there's some prospects you have to swing the bat and this is the prospect where you swing the bat period. That's how I look at Cam, reddish, you love Nazir little, and I guess the mob within this year. Little is. There's just not. There's just not that much. They're they're right up there. What you're saying understand what you've got in terms of, like, I don't know what he trans like do, I think he won't? He's got dogging him compete, yet I do. Of course. But I think he was able to get away with things at a lower level, because he was just bigger stronger more athletic and the, the skills, not there. The basketball intellects not there. And I mean he's six four and so I don't I don't know what he is. Why do you have a greater affinity for new year? Little some people while you bigger than six four. Let me tell you that. Well, he's about six seven six six and a half. I watched my in high school when he was here in Orlando, and I always liked his motor, I call them not I call them the engine, because he'd never stops. I believe Naseer is one of those players that when he's put into the white situation. I think he flourishes. I don't think he's gonna be a, a first option or second option guy. I think he's he falls under that, like, the, the Chris Middleton type role like I mean, and I know Chris, Milton really stepped it up this year. But the guys. The the the thir options to teams that lockdown defender that athlete that, that finishes plays. I think that's why I think the Atlanta Hawks is a perfect place for him at ten because he won't be act to do a lot but he will contribute right away because of the, the engine Nettie has the tough that, that he had. He the better, he's a better three point shooter than what people give them credit for and the work that he's had he's already worked out for a few teams the, the, the feedback that I've gotten from NBA teams of that he's a better shooter than what they thought. And I've had NBA people call me and tell me shot. He really can shoot the boss that told you, you know. So I just think that he's gonna be a contributor. You know, I don't I don't see I think that's a great way to put this is how the draft has been told to me like you have to do to the top who people think can be an all star. We have a couple of guys in the middle. And somebody is going to be a really good. Player. And then there's a bunch of guys at a play a while in the NBA. But, but that doesn't mean that they're going to be they're not going to be great players but they're ninety bad play. You just have to you have to you have to change your perspective on it. Right. Like the idea that are going to get an all star in the middle of the first round is, is highly unlikely this year career instead get a guy who fits who you know you know what would what he's going to be. Yes, who helps opping Nazi a little is the he is a safe pick like when you draft, not your little whatever teams down fleet. Well, sleep well at night, don't say, oh, I think we should have. Got this guy go to bed. Get your eight hours of sleep. What? Bulls. Interesting. So, so here's the air goal thing. Right. So he's seven two and a cooler with shoes on seven seven wing spin, nine seven and a half reach, but he doesn't totally he's not really rim-protector. But the thing will end. He's only two hundred eight pounds. Seven seven two two eight gate. But he can really shoot like dump it. It really shoot. And, you know, whereas other guys get to the NBA and have to learn to shoot like this dude can actually really shoot the of. Right. So. What's, what's his value in the can he be a starter in the NBA in your opinion? I don't think you start as a rookie. But I, I do think if he can stay healthy sea. I said before I, I think what Bobo I think he may be. Sometimes, I think you're too tall for the game the way he plays like he's seven two. N he's trying to play like he's six one. That's taxing on your legs. Porzingis, Kevin Durant with the calf strain at this thing when you're seven and you play like your six one you're susceptible to get injured more. And I think that's why you had to foot injury. But I do think that he has some marketable skills because the way the NBA is play with the spacing, I think he's gonna be asset to a team because he cannot down some shot. I probably wouldn't take him with the top eight picks. But why did after ten eleven twelve is where I would I would definitely Swain back at at a player like that because of his, you know, he seven two you can't pass up a seven to guide. I can actually put the ball on the floor. Got a little flair to his game and he can make shots. Renting Clark's a freak athlete, no guy who. He's older transferred. And does he has that motor like you talked about necessarily great motive but he's a he's a net zero with his with his wingspan to his height. Short arms. Yeah, yeah. He's got the T Rex thing going, and he's and he's only two hundred seven pounds and look like I, I loved him in college. I don't know. Like the thing about the everybody talks about, like this dream. I like do drones got crazy long arms got long crazy basketball IQ crazy, right? So what he does is Brandon. Clarkin. NBA. Pyre. That's a tough one for me because I don't really know what he is. You know, I even my top twenty rankings because just such a good college player. He's such a freak athlete. I think when you I think as when when kids are great athletes, but you don't know what to do with them. Basketball wise, the best thing you can do for them when they get to the NBA as make them defensive stoppers until you figure it out. Like maybe a defensive stop he'd be defensive stop it. When you don't have long arms like six six eight and a quarter six eight and a quarter wingspan is not is, is, is not going to that's not going to scare people know what not. But I think he has terrific terrific lateral speed. He's a he's a fantastic athlete. I think he doesn't get enough Ford Motor. He can be two spots. So like I said, when you can't figure out what the do with them the best thing you can do is make them defensive stoppers until you figure it out. And I think that's his best. His best suit is like, hey, you know what coming here? I need you to guard. The toughest guys when you when you check into the game I need you to guard, right mind rain when your checking the game you know, I, I need you to guard, I need you to harass James heart you'd little taller than him. I you know, you, you give those type of guys assignments until you until they figure out what they're going to be on the Aucas side of the ball. And I think he's a question Mark offensively. But I think defensively he just a good. We'll taste guy that, that can fitting. I'm Dani Shapiro, my new podcast family secrets, just wrapped up its first season and it's filled with stories about the secrets that are kept from us secrets that we keep from others and the secrets, we keep from ourselves if you've been waiting for the right time to binge them all now's your chance. Check out the episodes, along with bonus interviews and stories and keep an ear out for the next season in August. You can find out more at family secrets podcast dot com, and you can listen and subscribe at apple podcasts, or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. I feel like de'andre one hundred like we know exactly what he's going to be right. Yeah. Yeah. He's a little bit stiff. Yeah I don't know if I don't know if he's right now. He's not a true three point shooter but yeah, like he's a rotation guy. Maybe a starter on a good team in the NBA, right? Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't pop doesn't pop on tape. He doesn't like if you watch his tape, you're not going pop. You know, it was just like okay. Good player, you know. Player makes makes the right. Decisions knows what he's doing terrific defender. He kinda reminds me a little bit of booze bowling, you know, China that type of guy that just that's gonna play hard gonna come to practice going to be a great locker room guy. So he's a safe. I think he's a safe pick, but I would have does not doesn't require a ton of maintenance, right? He'll get better. Doesn't require the ball a bunch to, to be who he can be. Yeah. Like, I'm not gonna like we are. Jay like RJ Barrett if he doesn't have the basketball, what is he? If you never you don't run any single play for de'andre hunter. He'll be fine. He'll be fine. He'll he'll chew to when he's opening if not, he'll move it it, but there's, there's definitely a lower ceiling there than a bunch of these other guys, we're talking about your right? Right. Like I said, de'andre, like if we're if we're if had a GM GM your GM of a team and we're working with the same NBA team. And I and I say Douglas draft him, I'm not going to high five you once we draft him. You know it's just like with we played a safe on that went up. I think that's the kind of prospect. He is. Tide. Jerome does. He make an league. I'll do I think he I think he finds a home. Great more slow. I nobody got great feet is slow but he can get to a spot. Into spots in college and kind of like everybody says, grievous Vasquez, like okay. Okay. Maybe and like did notice Cruz. Vasquez, had you know he played in the NBA, but like he was a longtime NBA player you. You. He has a negative wingspan. You will wing fan guy. I'm just telling you what, like NBA guys like I call them up. I was like hydro, what do you do chidren like man? I've been loved to have on my team, but has a negative wingspan is and got away with, like shot clock. Heaves in college because he just shot over smaller guys like. You can't tie shoes. I get it. But I think span wings me begging. Yeah. I I'm not a wingspan guy, but when you start going t Rex on me, I'm like, okay, that's a little like, we did you need help tie your shoes and yet. Yes, that's a problem. But I just think that he just. I just think that, you know, I think he's he may go in and out to G le-. But I just think that he has some there's some skills there. Let's not let's the kids from credit. There's some skills there for drawl. There. There's a lot of people are going to talk about RJ Hampton in a second. But Darius Bazeley you know, he did this thing where he was going to go to first, she was going to go out of state, and he's gonna go Syracuse Q G league. Instead. He he sat out for year. He's a great measure. He's a great measurement guy. Great. Yeah guy. Yup. Yes. Yes, he is. Can you play? I think he's going to have a little, I think that the transition to the NBA is gonna be a tough one. I think I think training camp for him is going to be a wakeup call. You know, like I man, he's got faster and stronger in person. He kind of gives me that kinda gives me fatty as young feel a guy that can just kinda more of a utility athlete type do. So I got a guy that can probably, you know, be a roster guy that I don't think you'll make an impact on the NBA right away. I think it's a guy this is a more of a like the ngelo Russell scale. I think he's a year three year. Four guy, I don't think he comes into the NBA, and he's just windmilling on people. And if I'm wrong, I'll only admit it, but I don't see them going right into the NBA, and he just catching wind meals, and, you know, doing, I think it's going to be a learning curve for him. Okay. So give me a guy who people aren't talking about that. You believe is going to be like, I it's been established your camera guy. It. I love it here a hashtag talk soon. K. Let me somebody give me somebody a little more off the radar like that dude was all everything played. It do going to be a top ten picker. So gimme somebody who, who are gonna who got sure. Sure Jalen has UCLA. Jalen hands, the point guard out of UCLA. I think this kid has some dynamics. He has some NBA qualities about him that I believe that a team can use him. And he'll be a good backup player. But I think eventually he can work himself into a starting lineup down the line. I just like with the kid brings to the table. He's, he's fascinating. Because is. He he went to. I don't want to sell out who told me this, but he went to an NBA workout last year and skews my French, but he was an asshole. He just he, he had he had an arrogance to him. He angrily talk back to the coaches. They're like they were just could not get him out of the building fast enough. And I don't know if that was the case other places, but he did. There were some people that are like, dude. I just not in jail. And, and I, I would have I thought, look anybody can be humbled. You have to go back to college. You know, if you have perspective and it's hard when you're in college to go, like, hey, Mike. My coach got fired. And we were told I look UCLA, one of the reasons they were bad was they didn't have a point guard, and he was their point guard. Right. So but, but I do kind of agree. I'm actually going to agree with you here. I don't think ever be a starter. He might I could be wrong, but I think if put in. In the right set-up circumstances where he's got a buy in defensively. And he just on any just has to get into the mindset of like I'm just gonna come in and change the pace of a game. And, and whether it's whether the there's a Patty mills, and again he's not as skilled as Patty was coming out. Right. You don't. You don't shoot it like that. But he, he has he has a Russell Westbrook type of athleticism like he has been done ridiculously athletic. He could be announced, Dan defender. He can pass but he's not a passer, he score. He can shoot but he's not a shooter. I mean, I just comes down to can he deal with less touches less minutes, higher level of, of competition, and be, and be more efficient if he does. So I think he could be an NBA player for a long time. I already yes, but, but they're also is like he's got to have been humbled by are now. He's going to NBA draft. He's probably going to be a second round pick. Does he understand that the league is telling them him what his role has to be? Does he buy into that? Because some everyone thinks, like, yeah, I could do that. If you just tell me I'm gonna play twenty minutes. And I'm just gonna go get buckets and defend myself. I could do that. Then. All of a sudden, you're sitting there for the first thirty minutes, and then you come in and you're playing against better competition and you got like, but I think the spacing of the NBA should help him and I think fact that he doesn't have to truly be a leader because he's not a natural leader. I think that could help I totally agree Doug. I think that the humbling situation that he had last year. I think he came became better. And, and I think he's ready to embrace and kind of claw his way into the NBA. So I think he's prepared himself mentally for that. And I think he's hungry, and he was a kid. And, and I like I said, he's had some dynamics about him that you can't teach. He has some speed. He's a good place or he's great in transition. And what I like about him. He's terrific impassively. So like you said, I think he can be a great defensive point guard. He's I think he's better than Chris done. I think he's better than Chris Don. Man Chris down when he wasn't better than Chris done in college defensive not in college. No, no. But I think he's I think he's I think, and this is no slight to Chris done. This is me talking about how, how no this is me talking about this is me talking about how good, I think Jalen hands could be. I think he's a little better than Chris done. He's a little faster. He's a he's a better athlete. I think Chris done is obviously a better defender because he's been in the league. But I just think he in that mode and Chris done guys were so high on him coming out of college. No doubt, they guys will. Hi. I wasn't high on Chris down coming out of college. I was like, I don't know. I was only from the perspective of I did. I do think that defending at the point guard position. Like it's just it's you have to be so good to be hidden nowadays. Right. Like correct. And he didn't have to be hidden. Now. And, and he, we haven't necessarily seen the peak of Chris done because of the shoulder, the repeated shoulder batteries early on. You know, but you're right. Like I was higher on him. Then I should have been and. Well, you nailed that one. I liked them. But I was like I didn't like I didn't like the top team. And I'm like, Nah, I see them like late twenties. But everybody was like, oh, he's a lottery ticket. I'm like, I don't see I watched the tape. It just didn't jump, but I think, Jalen hands, I think Jalen hands is a little better than Chris Dun. And Chris done was a lottery pick. That's just that's just what I see. I'm going to disagree with you there. But I you know, I, I think I think hands and like, look, I'm a west coast guy. So the last night, I'm gonna do is to say kids from San Diego. You know, but there was a there was an intangible of leadership and toughness and, and lack of lack of ability to allow your team to lose. Whereas like everybody points to the photo, the video of, of Jalen hands like picking who has Moses Brown's chin up. But like that's one moment. Right. Like. They, they lost so many games that they should have and did not a good team. Wasn't a good team wasn't well coached and locker room was a mess. Just a anyway, the none of that falls on, like, would you allow your team's locker room to fall apart? No, no, okay. No, I know. But I don't think we're going to have we, we should give all the data and I just think question. And it's really important that you point that out. It's a really good point. I'm not putting everything, but there's a but I'm also not going to put nothing on Jalen Hans win know when you go when I'm in Vegas and I'm watching them play. I'm like, man. What is missing with this team? And every text and every scouts like hang on a point guard, and I'm like, well, the guy bringing the ball, the courts, supposedly, an MBA prospect, and he's their point guard. Like now, then got a point guard, they don't have leadership and, and, you know, they had clearly tuned Alfred out, well, that's the that, you know, somebody's got to be the alpha in the room. This is like, hey, fellas. Like this is an it, never it never really turned. I would agree with you wasn't a good team collection of parts of all guys that thought they were NBA players. Yes. Probably the only guy that gets drafted correct. It was just a bad mix of players. And it was it wasn't a good mix. That's all new. No, no. He's a quarterback. So he he's got his face. He gets the. Little dart at his face because. RJ Hampton who super skilled again, kind of only I'm not going to compare them to RJ Barrett in terms of his body, and his, but it's the idea that's how he plays is the same way. RJ Barrett played coming up with ball in his hands dominant role handler. What do you think of the decision to go to New Zealand? Well from the standpoint of I and I played in Australia. So I mean it's to go to a country where they speak English. They're gonna pay you good money. The season is short. The weather is nice. I think that, you know, it's a no brainer in that regard. I, I think the I think he'll play well there and I think that it won't be a strength home, his body. They won't practice up like three nights three hours a day. So I think that's a decision on his part, the kids, a top ten player. I don't think he really wanted to do the NCAA, obviously, for whatever reasons he had. And I just think that that's just another avenue. I think he's exercising his wife at the end of the day. That's how I look at it. No, I nobody's disputing his ex. Just from let's say, let's just take from a basketball and lifestyle perspective. Like I love the idea of New Zealand. Sounds like that, right? Culture. And I do like the idea of playing against older guys. And when no one's willing to say is like, look, he couldn't go to Spain Italy or Turkey or Russia, because those teams wouldn't play him. They wanna win. And you're not gonna win with an eighteen year old kid. We're so this is a level of competition, which is low enough and a team that's not competing for championship where he's going to he's only going to go there if he's promised he's gonna play thirty minutes a game, which is great play gets older guys. My issue with it. My, my view. It is like I just don't see how that absolutely prepares you better for the NBA. And in addition to, which I see what you're like, he was say he went to Kansas, and we operate in this, I think, I think some of the new operates. I use another school. But yeah, I know what you're saying the school, Kansas. I just think that that's just stated they struggle with shooting guards Quinton grinds is already transferred. Nowadays supposed to be a top ten pick a year ago. Is any good? They don't struggle struggle with guys that aren't that good. He just wasn't a good all drink. Rhymes like you ask those guys like well he he just wasn't that good. They, they never like there is the. Abbasi was was supposed to redshirt. He's shooting guard. He was fine. He was just better. He he just worked better was tougher smarter. And and beat him out. That's really what happened. Yeah. How about if you're not that good. And if you're not that good in your heart. Don't go to Kansas. That's what I I got you. But my the we operate in this world, like not unite. But yeah. Media social media and fans, especially where they like, well, the coaches and I do agree, the coaches should get more time around their guys gay. But if you've ever been to Kansas, I want you to think about this. They haven't dorm, right next to their Jim giant, dorm has a three quarter court basketball court in it. So there is literally not a moment. The day you can't go get shots. They have shot in the they have a chef in the dorm, one of the Hungary column up. Let's see. Okay. They can work over. They can walk over, and then they have a practice, which is as good as any NBA, practice, Ilady. They have a strength coach. And she's as good as anybody who does it look at the bodies that they've produced the movement of guys on there and then you get chance to play for guy that's gonna make you better gonna make you tougher and Hallet's dudes. What's he lets dudes play? Like he's not. He he's not right. He doesn't. They don't try and go get blood out of Iraq. Yup. You get a chance and then there's the benefits of being a part of one of the great basketball cultures and his reason traditions and playing how is playing. Thirty games. Right, like, okay. Maybe forty games against men. But missing out on the training aspect. How in your opinion like if it's your son, what do you think is better? And look, you can even point out if you wanna point out that Kansas hasn't developed shooting guard from your perspective, this fine, Ben what's been macklemore? Right. Makomo right. Yeah. He hasn't had a good NBA career, but it wasn't like going to Kansas hurt his draft stock. But okay. So even if you hold it if you have a son, what's better, what's, what's a better option in European. I probably would send my son to college, I'm, I'm a NCAA guy. So I would send my son to college because I just think that there's things that outside of basketball that you get, as a person in college that you can't get anywhere else agree. So it's just it's just the overall let's just talk about I don't wanna sound corny here. But this is real 'cause I mean, my, my oldest daughter's going to college next year is, is I I'm about education. So at the end of the day, you can't trade, it education, in for nothing you have to be able to get your education and I'm big on that. So I would send my son to school and say, look, man, you're going to go even if you're one and done. You're going to get this one year education. You're gonna take good classes. And when you get drafted you're still going to graduate college because you're always one play away from never playing again. So that's me, the parent talking, you know. So there's also the interesting, you know, he said he said, look, my parents, both have college degrees mom has grains degree. And, and he's an education is important, and I can always go back for that. Now, I would point out, and it's really important for people understand, like, in college, you actually can with you go that one and done route you can go back anytime you want, and you're on scholarship anytime you want whereas dooney on doing on your own, is, is, is far more difficult in terms of just getting into school. And I didn't what you're can do, but whatever. But I thought the other parts that you are starting to point out, which are really like there is something to you grow up in Dallas. And you go to orange Kansas. And so you're, you're in the states and you're away from home, but you're not you're not an adult yet you have this. You're around eighteen to twenty two year olds. And like you kinda gotta figure out socially how. To get along. Right. And I just I, I think that's better and healthier. You do. It's not just like what you learn in class per se, may not prepare you for your NBA future. And maybe that's a another step that colleges should take like, hey, should there, be a pre professional degree where you can learn about, you know, taxes, and balancing your checkbook, and investments and all the things that takes when you you're basically, you're, you are your own LLC. Correct. But there's there's a lot of education that goes on. That's not inside of a book that you can only get when you're on a college campus and anybody who's at college kind of knows this, and I like scholarship thing is kinda perfect, because could you pay a kid more money like I guess you could? But what's, what's real? What's the point? There's no if you give a kid five thousand dollars is gonna one ten if you give you ten thousand dollars going to twenty like there's no and the point is now they have enough. They never have like you go to Kansas. Get cost of attendance. You have money in your pocket sound like your parents don't have the ability to send you send you send you a hundred bucks or a couple hundred like you're fine. You get five six thousand dollars a year with the cost of attendance, plus the scholarship. Right. And, and you already well, he wouldn't get appel obviously. But anyway, the point is you have you got a love money, but you also have to learn to budget that, right? You have to learn, like, all right? This is how much I got this, how long I have it and I gotta figure out how do I how do I make this work? Like that's again, another part of the education of being away that we just like we just completely diminish and I disagree with it, even though I've, I've seen so many and yes, you are. It's not just you're one play away. But, like, all right. Maybe he is a top ten pick and maybe has a bunch of money. But he on playing, let's say gets done playing at thirty years old. He doesn't have the career. He wanted one to have right. Yeah. You have any more years to live and you skipped over part of your life. That's fun. And also like an experience. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So I mean there's there's different cases. But if it was me personally with my son by man, go to college do year Fitch education. It's going to be an experience that you're gonna love trust me. That's been there. You'll love it, and then we'll we'll get to the NBA when it's our turn that will be my that would be. But I don't not RJ's his family's decision. I support it because I, I kind of understand what they're doing understand both sides, you have, and I, I wish nothing but the best for him. And I think he's gonna be terrific over in Australia. They're gonna love him. New zealand. Look, I, I would agree with you, in terms of a seems like they put a lot of thought into it, and to that part. And they understand the pitfalls of it. They understand they had there's a reason they're doing it. I disagree with it. But my issue is like do don't string schools along when you signed the contract month ago like no one's getting like all these coaches we make them out like these unreal. Dudes like, hey, you picked up the phone and called penny or call Bill self when you sign the contract go, hey, I'm going to do homework, deland, they'd be like good luck right onto the next guy. But when you when we have to hold a scholarship for you. You know, have campus visits continue to regress you put an ad time and effort. I don't I don't think that's a and again I don't necessarily put it on him. That's more in his parents. Once you sign that contract your parents need to go, like, hey, the phone, call those coaches think what they've done and move. Yeah. I think you win some and you lose the thought, hey man, I appreciate your time. You know, I love your work and for people who want to follow you for people want to follow you and get more stuff from her shop Phillips. How can they do so? You can reach me at on Twitter, our p three natural and you can subscribe to my YouTube channel, which is sports talk twenty three nineteen and you can find me on Instagram were shot. Phillips twenty three nineteen twenty to nineteen is the number of points that he scored as a star at the university of Detroit mercy, Daigle, Detroit mercy go, Detroit. Either either works. Either words. Hey, man. Love your time. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate your talk show. Short a catch live additions of the Doug Gottlieb show. Weekdays at noon eastern, three PM Pacific on Fox Sports radio and the iheartradio app. That's Reshad Phillips and looked to echo his thoughts. And we don't agree on every player obviously, but it's great for a guy who so invested in the sport to discuss all the guys in the sport. My lasting thoughts on the NBA finals are this, I think steps amazing. Obviously, if they don't have clay, and they don't have K D. They're not winning the series. It would be incredibly competitive to watch and compelling to watch them. To watch them compete, the two of them without K D, And remember like this a little bit like when they lost Andrew bogut going back to when they lost to the Cavs was in two thousand sixteen like let's not underestimate losing your best rim. Protecting big guy who's coming into his own and replacing but DeMarcus cousins, who I don't know of ever be back to what he was. And I don't even know what he was fits in what the warriors are, but he's not even there yet, you know, and then you have a hobbled Andrei, dollar. Just the, the question to me is can they break out the alternate weapon and can Katie, come back and Kenny play if he plays they win, if he doesn't, oh, it's going to be a dogfight? And then you know I thought the raptors had to extend themselves a great deal in order to win that game more so than they thought win that game. But so too did Steph curry like the Steph curry when Katie comes back. Is he at a guess because to take on that burden for the last three games? Frankly, the last seven games, but the last three games and yesterday take on that burden a double team everywhere you go get in Bain getting battered. And I know the game is not as physical as it used to be. But that's, that's a lot like yes. To echo Rashad points. And I think it's more because of the three pointer, but his points, do seem more devastating you come down. You got three guys on him and he goes through his legs behind his back and jumps up and makes a shot and like oh, God, what happened? What happened like all of that is great. But it also there's, there's a lot of energy expended by him, and that energy can can can wear thin like you can kind of run out of gas by doing it because you had to put so much into it. And then I also pointed out, and this is kind of one of the lost discussions on analytics. Is that so oftentimes we take the effective field goal percentage, and we use that calculation and say, hey, look, if you make this number of threes, it, actually drives up your field goal percentage number of possessions for the other team on Karen long, Karen rebounds? You know, you come down and you go one on three you jump up. You missed that three point shot and the team gets it. And because everybody else's hunting an offensive rebound. You give up an easy transition basket one there, you know that's an easy shot for them. They don't expend ton of energy, and there a certain deflating aspect to it from your own team. When your own star isn't hitting and he's casting up these big shots. So. This is this is fun because it's almost it feels like it's going to be three different series in one. Right. There's the first part of the series and potentially game for when you don't have K D, but you have clay and you have stuff then you have the staff kind of trying to do it on his own. And then maybe you get all three back together for if not for five six and potentially seven. You know, now it's you start to see kind of how it all with the reason that it's been relatively unbeatable. And then there's this last part of the discussion and this part, I'm torn Andrea Dala because he has played so well in so many big spots for the warriors has now ended this conversation of being a hall of Famer and we've always operated in the media in under the idea that Draymond green is a hall of Famer. And I guess my question is this. Like, if you're really olive, aiming your dream, Draymond green, and what should be the prime of your career, and you don't have clay, and you don't have K D And we're told by some. Hey, the reason he doesn't score as much is because those other, that's not what he has to do on their team. But, but you're, you're still a guy that no one guards. You're still a guy that they dare to shoot. So on one hand, I look at last night, and I'm like, if they're hall of famers shouldn't they have more impact even with Andrea Dala banged up at this agents career? On the other hand, would I rather have Andrea dolomite team or Tracy McGrady among team, I'd rather have Andrea dollar would rather have Draymond green or? I mean, in many ways, I, I guess, I'd rather have them then Reggie Miller who made it was only thirteen BA once. So would I rat who would I rather have because one guy, feels like helps me win more in Draymond? Igwe dolla, and even though another guy is a far more effective dominant score in Tracy McGrady. But he never won again on the first round the playoffs and toys with the Spurs late. Whatever that doesn't really count or Reggie Miller. That's a hard one. But I would I tend to believe that if you are, in fact, a hall of Famer and other guys go down. And when called upon you should be able to pick up the load and last night was gained three those two were incapable of picking up the load and it was Steph versus the world, right? So do I think they'll get in a Draymond? We'll get into the hall of fame. Igwe dollar feels like prisoner of the moment. Right. We're going to and I know that he was in, I think he was an all star once when he was with Philadelphia. But like the point is like when he was with Philadelphia there, basically, five hundred team when he scored all those points as the evolved his career and became more of a Swiss army knife. Now he was a lot more effective on better teams, but only sudden now he's a hall of Famer like that, that feels like a definite leap. I think he's brilliant. I think he's incredibly competitive, yes competitive greatness. I think he's a big part of why they've won championships, but that doesn't necessarily what's the reward for that three championship brings potentially four maybe even more and a lot of money, but hall of fame. I, I thought that was held for, you know, the five best guys in the sport over a couple year, period, you got in, you know, and over the lifetime of your career if you're perennial. All star always in that discussion of one of the best players your position the sport. That's the way you get in. Listen, you can listen to the Doug Gottlieb show every day, three to six eastern time twelve three Pacific. You can download the podcast as well wherever you download this podcast. And the meantime, appreciate you listening. 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Chiney Ogwumike

The Woj Pod

49:48 min | 2 years ago

Chiney Ogwumike

"Hey, everyone. Welcome in to another edition of the wochit pod. My guest today. Chennai Gumi K WNBA star with the Connecticut. Sun all American at Stanford and an analyst an NBA analyst for ESPN. We talk a lot of NBA a lot of warriors. And we talk about the pending collective bargaining agreement. Facing the WNBA great. Visit great talk about hoops with one of my favorites. Here's my visit which k. Here with Chanel Gumi K WNBA star with the Connecticut. Sun ESPN NBA analysts you have four or five other jobs to write what am I missing W N B vice president job, that's true. That's a job as a big job right now. Thanks for having me. We'll tonight. It's great to finally have you here on the pod we're going to get to the WNBA CBA. But I want to start with the warriors and what's gone on here in this last week. And it's been what everybody's been waiting for with Golden State, which is and I think it's funny. Bob myers. He has said it, certainly privately, and he said it publicly the other day, he said, this is not a perfect place. And I know some people thought it was or think it is it isn't. And it reminds me of and Steve Kerr looted to this today in San Antonio all those years where people thought it was this. Utopia and that they didn't have controversies they didn't have issues in the locker room. And no they did. But what they had was Tim Duncan to police it all and it's not the coach. It's almost never the coach. It's not great Popovich. And it's not Steve Kerr when they had issues in San Antonio. They would always tell you Tim Duncan took care of them in the locker room. They never got out. They most never got in the media. This one would drain on green and Kevin Durant. It got out because it happened in front of twenty thousand people national TV audience. But I I just think it's a reminder that it is fragile. It is hard to keep a team going. It is hard to keep even when everybody has the best intentions and has the talent they have it's still really hard to do. This people forget that athletes are together twenty four seven and during the course of a long season like the NBA you're together for most of. The year year rehabbing practicing, you're playing games, you're traveling. It's a lot. It's a lie. I know this from my experience playing the WNBA also playing overseas doing that twenty four seven, but I think you hit on a really interesting point. Tim Duncan was the diffuser. He was the president. He was the politician. He was the handler of all he was like EON, LA fix my life. Right. People would come to him, and he would fix their lives and keep them positive and protecting the issue here is that for so long. I feel like everyone believes Draymond green was the heart and soul of the warriors. And he was the vocal leader. He was on the floor on the court leader making all the small plays that happened. But when he's in the center of an altercation a controversy who do you turn to staff wasn't on the court, and he's sort of like the ultimate peacemaker, but he's also Stephan Claire kind of feel like in this situation out of it. And when you have these type of altercations between Katie injury mon- who's checking both of them. And I feel like it has to be stuff because at the end of the day from day one this is Steph team, right? And I think that's why they brought him on the road. Even though he's out for ten days or so his value in being. There and being the guy kind of guy that we all know him to be the uplift or is going to help. But yeah, the big issue for me is Draymond was a heart and soul, quote, unquote, the vocal leader of the team. And when that person is caught up in something who's going to emerge in settle things. And there's no Tim Duncan here. Right. Yeah. And I think to the one thing about Steph curry and Klay Thompson and somebody in Golden State made this point to me. And I thought it was really good. They grew up in the NBA. They grew up around the NBA they've been in NBA locker rooms or whole life, and they become I think a little more. So than some other guys there little desensitized to you know, the stuff that goes on around it. The the noise pettiness that might be going on or the gossiping and a locker room or the, you know, some dust up that might last or two or three weeks between two guys over and on top of that that's not their personality as human. That's that's exactly right. And so, but the one thing with those two and people say have seen this come out in the last several days, they're not going to pay attention to any of it. They don't get involved in any of their sometimes very oblivious to it even going on around them. But if somebody gets in the way of winning if something gets in the way of winning that's where you're going to hear from Steph curry, and that's where you're gonna hear from Klay Thompson, Andre with dollar is a player with the been described to me the two other players who have the. Stature even have an opinion about this in a locker more to have a voice Andrea dollars, Shaun Livingston. Yeah. Restricted voice and Andres, obviously been a great player for them. Shawn's respected veteran player. And so the fact that those two it was gonna make it harder for this derail this team. Because of certainly it's got the tension of Steph, and clay, but this is something that like because they just care about winning. And they've shown that in the end that's really would drain on cares about like Draymond will cross the line. He'll dance over it. Then like he's going to come back which we saw because that's who he is. That's what he said yesterday pre-game because that pre-game that was a lot of restraint for Draymond green. Because I know what I sure know him. Well, there was a lot. He wanted to say, and he was dying to and he may yet say again, but he knew that wasn't a day to do it. So I I met Draymond green. When I was playing on the World University Games. And this was a crash. Course in getting to know everyone because when you play in represent the country for USA and World University Games you train for a month in Colorado Springs, and you go and compete for a month, and we were in China. And so we were there my sister. And I my sister also plays in the WNBA and a whole bunch of top players on both ends. We were there. We got to know a lot of these guys and Draymond was one hundred percent consistent. He's a same dream on. You saw there when we were went twenty twenty one to the same dream on you see right now, and he will cross that line, and he will challenge you. But it all comes to me from a place of loyalty. And in this instance, I feel like if Draymond sent some sort of weakness, he will attack that that's right. And that's what he does. And he does it to a fault. And I think for him and he's going to go to your most. We all have a friend. He's a professional at right? I mean, he's going to go from zero to one hundred say, hey, your shoes on Thai. Hey, I've always hated you. Where the soul her. That's right. And his, and that's what he did in that moment. He did. And I think he's able to walk it back for me. Knowing him for him to actually come out and say, hey, we're moving forward. That is a big gesture that's a big gesture for Katie to after that sort of. I'm not talking about it after. Feel like it regressed the whole momentum of the locker room us getting better. And I was watching the game against the rockets and the huge blowout. And everyone's talking about how great it is for the rockets, and how bad it is for the warriors. But there was a key moment in the third quarter. And I always bring this up where Draymond was pushing in transition. He lost the ball turn it over. I think it was a Kerry Katie was the recipient supposedly like he was supposed to be very similar incident to what caused this whole drama, right? But right after they dapper each other, and they kept moving forward and even running back in transition, Katie said, that's my dream on said, that's my fault. Oh, wow. And I keep saying that's the real love language of athletes right there. But no one I don't know it's reading into one play one situation. But I do think that there's there's going to be hope. But again, this is something that is not a short term issue as you mentioned when it comes to winning because everyone cares about winning. They need to find a way back on the winning path especially without Steph. But long-term these are the things that are like elephants in the room the stuff that stays in the back of your heads that when you do make it in long term as a player like am. I good enough. Am I happy? And I don't like that. They've created the scenario that is just ballooned out of control that we can point back to and say, this is why you remember this. Yeah. And I think for Draymond his path to becoming an all star in the league in his mind. He's always going to be the second round pick. He's going to be the guy that everybody passed on. He's going to be the guy who stayed in college for years, which is treated like your failure. In college basketball back for your senior year. It means you're not a prospect. That's how it's viewed not always certainly true. And he proved that and so I think he's extra sensitive to hey, I've earned my way into this echelon. And I know I'm not Kevin Durant. And I know I'm not Steph curry because in the end people mostly value scoring for everything. Draymond. Does this game sport mostly values true? And so that's a different echelon. But he does something that's so unique. And he is shown what it's value is in winning in. It's had a huge impact and building the identity that the identity is a really good offensive team. They've been through this era his largely been built through him and his identity, and so all those things. And so in that moment where he felt like Kevin Durant was treating them like a scrub was treating them like a rookie. That's the extra layer of him going at Kevin. And you see that's probably why he's appealing the suspension because it's sort of like Golden State made a decision. Hey, we're gonna penalize our day. One for our new guy who we don't even know what his decision is in the term and to drain on that probably seems offensive, but it's also a pretty chunk of change because I feel like it was it was over a hundred grand. So I would appeal thousand but here's also the thing too. Like they. Don't have to take that fine. They can do this suspension. And no one will ever know if they find him like it can be between the team and drain. Exactly. So yes, they suspended them. And yes, the hundred twenty thousand comes with it. But it's not a league suspension where the money just gets taken out the team, it's different. And so the come Colletti can treat it differently now. They may I think two and people are looking and there's no question, I think Golden State new at the optics would be we picked Kevin Durant over Draymond. Yes. But that's a Suming that if this had happened between Draymond and Dala that the organization might not have done the same thing. Draymond and Shaun Livingston. I think it was because it was on the court, and it was in public, and it was for everybody to see it would have been treated differently. If it was somewhere else. But I think they made it termination he said things you just can't say we don't want anybody saying to anybody here. And the one thing to people talk about is it will dream on. Does this all the time? He's always going off on. And I think the people are under say, no, he's not not the only other comparison than anybody. That would make to was the Steve Kerr in the locker room and Oklahoma City which looking back, maybe they should have suspended. Maybe they should have doing that. With your coach in front of everybody. The difference was in that moment. The coach is going to be like I wanna move us with my player. I don't want him to think I'm responsible from getting suspended. What we probably don't know. Fully yet is if Kevin had gone, if Kevin Durant had gone back to them in the aftermath of this and said guys if you suspend drain on I'm gonna take more crap for this. It's gonna look like I wanted this. I don't want that on me don't suspend them because it's going to create what's been created. I don't know if Kevin went to them, and I don't know Kevin gave them even an opinion about that. But I do wonder if Kevin said absolutely positively do not suspend them and Monday night in the press conference when they asked about suspension Kevin could have said, hey, I wasn't for this. Or I wish they didn't do it. He didn't say any of that. And. Everyone tends to sometimes blame the media. Like, why are we asking these questions provoking, these athletes as an athlete and a member of the media? I understand now the struggle right because you have a responsibility to continue reporting on something and getting information and players can obviously be that up. Right. But I feel like at the end of the day, the onus is on the athlete. So if you want the storyline to contune, you don't say anything at all like you have the ability to straight up shut it down and really move your locker room forward. But we didn't really get that from Kevin. But I hope that we get that soon. Yeah. It's it's the rest of the fascinated by this. And of course, the question like you get from everybody like is this real? And I think people now have seen. I think in the first day when we reported the store that morning. A lot of what I got was was this real isn't something that just happens all the time in like, you know, Marc spears, and I knew that day. When report like I hear things in locker rooms, we all do very often. And you have to be able to differentiate what's just normal. Yes. Like couple people going at it in practice that doesn't have any. There's no consequences or infiltrations of it. That happens all the time. We could write about it almost every day. I've seen you having to make these decisions vote. I remember when Spurs the issues were happening with coli, and you were back and forth. Trying to make sure you follow the fine line. But I agree. I completely agree. Because this could be a legitimate crack in the foundation, this could be incident that you can point to and say in the future. This is why this happened. There was a genuine beef between players that was not solved throughout the course of the fact that the team had to they were meeting about it. They were talking with the players they were going through it. There was a possibility for punishment said. Well, it's a story now Sewri. Yeah. Because they're treating it that seriously, they they're not just dismissing this, and and obviously they suspended, and this this does happen at this level. Now, there's a huge magnitude when you're the Golden State Warriors. And there was little magnitude when my team the Connecticut sun had an. Altercation. We had a real like I'm talking about real real altercation on our team this year, and they talk to each player, they evaluated. We went one in three on the road. We won by game winner. So this was acting our locker room and at the end we decided to trade away player because it couldn't get solved. We still want were still professionals. But at the end of the day, you know, these things do happen, and they have serious consequences. We lost the player to altercation that happened. So for me when I'm watching this happen. I was like, you know, what these things can build and boil over and create some kind of resentment, but at the end of the day after like, the warriors, there's there's still the warriors you're still going to figure things out there still going to turn it on when it comes to margin of error that nobody else has they don't have to be at their best to win. And if anyone's going to beat them they're going to have to be at their very best than they can quarters. They can be less than their best to get through series. True when they beat Houston last year and seven games like you felt like they were not at their best. They weren't nearly at their best and still even with Chris paulie still were messing around and game sub. So true. It was really. A dangerous. I mean think how different all could if they don't get out of that game seven does Durant. Even stay gets. There's always these even the series with the Spurs when Kawai went down like they weren't playing their best. I think this first game win or something. And they were up to us to be nice. Today's episode of the pod is brought to you by policy genius life insurance isn't the most enjoyable thing to think about of course, most people don't like thinking about dying. But actually having life insurance is a really good feeling. It's nice to know that if anything were to happen to you, your family won't have to start a gofundme. Meet the stay afloat. 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You talked people got to know each other you talk through issues, and now we're in a world where everyone just you know, they have their iphone. They have their music. They have their ear buds in. They have and coaches will notice like on the bus who've been in different eras of how like they don't hear as much anymore guy's talking basketball talking through things it's just everybody is often their own separate world. And that communications not what it once was do you see that one hundred percent. I think on teams people always say people have their people. So you have one or two people that are your people that help you through situations, you go to you turn to, but it's not necessarily those good old days when we were all starting to play a you. And I always and I'm like this bigger conspiracy theorist, but I think it's actually more factual. In the sense that technology has changed the game on crazy level young players when I started playing basketball, and I'm not like too old. But what I learned from my coach. So I go to practice three days a week. My coach would teach me the moves. We weren't watching YouTube now young kids are watching YouTube. So they don't need those intermediate intermediaries the coaches to teach them the game. They can watch stuff. You know, they come watch clay. They can watch LeBron. They can go to to'real they have so many programs where technology's there that's where you learn the game. Right. You're moving a lot of strings that are have been so involved with communication respect for the game with coaches with individuals and stuff. Why does my teammate needed show me how they learned how to dribble I can learn it by myself, that's technology on the most basic level that has affected, you know, the new nature of the game. So when it comes to these situations, it's true when you have a team, and there's a player they can be isolated. They could go to practice do their thing be gone. And if there's an issue. Maybe you don't even deal with it. Because that's just not what we do anymore. We're not interacting much even though we're together lie. You don't into basketball really should be is the ultimate it's a team game. And you need there's nowhere you play offense and defense. You can't there's no designated hitter. There's nowhere to hide if you can't defend your position. Can't you can't run and put you in a position baseball, whatever. Yup. Everything's built around individual workouts, and everyone's got an individual workout coach and everything. Yes. Isolated in the silo like, and I would say it with my son would travel bask like they would all do their individual workout. They'd get on the gun, and they would do all that stuff. But like is anybody gonna go play five on five, right? Like because that's where you can. But but you learn you learn whether it's five on five and we've kind of been through a lot. But, but it's I think it's harder than ever to sell in buying do in pitch the team. Yeah. I completely agree. And it's funny. And there's. Okay. The con is your communication is lacking. Because of our own world our own technology our own brands that were considered about right? We're considering constantly. But the pros is we're seeing athletes do things we never seen before with scoring with the evolution best benefactors bene- benefits percent. That's the main benefit. But the the con is that on teams it's not necessarily all about the team like year focused on your own individual work, and growth and development more. So, but that's what's the beauty of the warriors for so long. They've been perfect. They've had high level skill in high level team come rotary. But now that dynamic has sort of changed for a moment. What's the best team dynamic that you've ever been a part of in basketball? What was the best team dynamic the best team dynamic half to be? I guess when I was at Stanford went to three final fours played with my big SIS. And my first coach was my big SIS. We have a hall of fame. Coach end of your amazing to this day. She'll say that Neka was my first coach because when I came in as a freshman, my older sister was two years older than me neck and neck a dog me. She wanted me to play so bad. She wanted us. Have these memories of playing together? She was all me. And I really am grateful for that. Because we had to amazing years in which you know, we sort of redefined, I guess you can say what it was to be a Stanford soon athle- like being a nerd, but also being cool and swag. And again, this was a time at Stanford when our athlete athletics was popping Andrew luck. Number one in the NFL. We had storm. We who has I think it was a fifth year senior senior Doug Baldwin. So football was going Mark appel what number one to the Moby my sister. When number one the WNBA we had a girl named Ashley Hansen that went number one in softball. So this was his prime piece period. Stanford. We're like every single person whatever they're doing the best that like the best piano the best. They're the best science student is they're the best future physicist. Is there is everybody? Yeah. As athletes we feel like we're doing nothing. So I could mention Richard Sherman. My sister, Mark appel, the best of the best athletes, and we feel like we are not doing anything major. I remember when I went to my freshman dorm the first night it was there. I heard a door slamming. You know, me I'm sure because it's I make sure everything's good pop. My head out, and I see one of my dorm mates in a suit. And this was probably two am heading to go to a conference call with China with China because he has a company and he had to make sure he'd misses meeting. I was like this is a freshman. I was like, oh, I got my game about here. Don't so funny. I always say like only did was put up on a basket while everyone at Stanford was out here changing the world, but I think as athletes energies contagious. So we use our platforms and unique ways and we use our voices. But yeah, we're part of this like commodity, and I think it's a special thing. Because when you that's where learn honestly that what you do on the court is great. But what you do off the court is what really matters and as a team off the court at Stanford a women's basketball team, we were very tight, and we were bound to the community doing a lot of community work. And we went through some things back in the day where they didn't check. How many? So that was a special year for me, my freshman and sophomore year, we got to play with my sister. We went to two final fours lost to uconn up and somebody Texas AM. I don't know if you guys remember that we lost on a buzzer. That's when a when their championship. So those were special years for me because I always talk about basketball with my sister. Because basketball has always been a family thing for us. We started together we went through it together. We will horrible together when championship in Houston state title there, and then went to Stanford together. So basketball's all about family. So Stanford really was the first real family setting. I had on the court where I treated everyone like my sister. And we went through it. And it it set us up pretty, well, you know, to be prepared for the next level, you visited Yukon when you were in high school, and I imagine you probably never thought. Well, I'm never going to be in Connecticut. My God how you drafted you play for the sun. So you're here you're and of course, he SPN you're here is a fulltime analyst now even during the season. I saw you. All star weekend, which is in the middle. No. It was Vegas summer league. Yes. It was in the middle of your season. Yeah. I see you in the gym. And all hey, what's up, and I'm going what are you doing here? Like, aren't you a west coast trip ere like do something funny? That was the middle of our trip. We had our team altercation. So it was like really crazy because that's when we went one in three. But yeah, we played the Phoenix mercury of the day. Previous. I took an early five AM flight to make it to summer league to do. The jump was so much fun. Then I went to video and then practice, and then we played Vegas the day after all playing in Vegas. So it makes sense. But it was this little on a nation. I know, but you can't. So now, you're here all the time because you're in Bristol, your your team think about that like how V here? But like, no one says noted, you know, REM. I mean, I really wonder what the percentage of right of young women who visit Yukon if you go on that visit I'm one can't imagine. There's very many who said, no, I'm going some. Somewhere else? So the funny thing is that was my one visit that my parents didn't make because they're working. And so I go to uconn by myself, Stephanie Dawson's, there be a Hartley's their believe clean. Mosquito. Lewis is there and these are all top women's basketball recruits. And so I'm on this amazing trip. Tina Charles is my host having a great time. And so the final thing that coached, you know, does is before you leave before everyone's flights out like he blocks out a little our, and so we all up so it's staff brea Kalina me sitting against the wall. One by one Steph walks in a couple of minutes later, she walks out smiling parent tucking she's coming. Clean. It goes in there walks in oh, walks out. Yeah. You know smile hugging. Okay. She's going in. I'm starting to sweat because I can't make any decision by myself without my parents. I've got at least at this point your sister's at Stanford. Yes, stanford. So I went to Stanford. I went to Notre Dame and uconn was my final visit. And then finally might turn comes up, and I go in there and he sitting his office in his desk like it's almost presidential huge desk. Huge the, you know, not so big of a man, but he's got a big legacy. And then all the trophies behind him just domineering and I sit down and like oh snap door closes. So are you coming? Oh my God. I don't see. How do I say? No. How do I say? No, why still did. I can't my parents. I can't make a decision. It was the hardest thing that really sore you coming. Yeah. That's it those straight. So are you coming? And I was like that's it just one line. And I feel like you understand the power, you know, you have this opportunity, and he what he's you're staring at the trophies and the championships, and you can be a part of that. And so how do you not say? Yes. Well, I just blame. My parents. I'm like man, I can't do this. I can't take a phone. Call eight mom. I'd made this decision by myself. Myself, but he's still Greg. I gravitated toward his personality. We sort of like, you know, confident edgy type of people into the sad. Not too long ago on campus. He's real supportive. He comes to our Connecticut sun gays, but I know in the back of my mind, I'm like, yeah. That was revived. I went through the horn, isn't is your personality is a lot more like gino's than it is Tara VanDerveer for sure. But when you pick if you were just picking just an absolute pure, just I'm just going for the basketball experience, you probably it's not an is one of the great ever, and others might view it differently. If it was just the pure basketball experience, you'd probably go you've to you. But when you pick Stanford, you're picking something a your time investment and to this day like I don't regret it. I wish we wanted to champion. Advisor was essentially, Dr Condoleeza Rice, like those are the things that happen. I know you let me to it. So it's funny on my official. Visit I went, and it was like the most lit nerdy weekend ever. So we had chief Justice John Roberts, Dan, Dr Condoleeza Rice there like there's a huge football game. So if you're a nerd your heaven something how they finesse for me to go meet with chief Justice, Dr rise that was great. So I- commit go to Stanford and my freshman year, I don't expect Dr rice remember my name, or who I am because she's a huge ambassador. She we beat uconn huge game. My my job was to guard my more that whole game. I remember that was my one assignment as a freshman. And I was like everyone's like, you know, what to pay. She uses more. Don't you stuck on her? And it was a huge one of the signature wins in the history of mass while so much fun. And after Dr rice, she comes to every sporting event, people know that she's also on the college football playoff committee. She's also helping spearhead, you know, all the issues with the corruption in the NCAA with basketball. She's one of those great minds. She's a huge fan. Fan. I great golfer, by the way, every time we woke up and did weights. She was in there doing waits for her gall swing like five AM in the morning. She's she's a whole 'nother level, but she comes the locker and congratulates us. And I'm like just sitting there like she's back. Like, it's amazing. And she stops on her way out today. I was like oh snaps. You remember my name? Didn't you say you're interested in politics? Remember when you're here on the visit you should come by and stop exit. We can talk about it. I was like say, no more. So the next day had called her office and within the that week. I had a meeting with her. And it's so amazing. What you go to the Hoover institute, which is the primary conservative institute at Stanford. Go one office, and there's another office in this office, which looks again like another presidential office met with her amazing meeting. She inspired me to international relations as major she gave me the confidence to finally speak up in class because despite playing on in front of millions of people going to Stanford, you know, again, we're athletes, and we sometimes think, oh what why are we here? Granted we all are here for. A great reason, and we are capable, but you know, I was a little shy at give answers and class. And she gave me the confidence to do that. She gave me the confidence to go study abroad in the middle of my prime time in college which was like a taboo, then to leave school for eight weeks when you're supposed to train twenty four seven. I'm yeah. So she's been a great influence. Today's episode of the woods pod is brought to you by quip one of the most important things we do for our health. Every day is brushing our teeth yet. Most of us don't do it. Properly. Quip is a better electric toothbrush. 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And there was a basketball game on the students were jumping so hard that the camera was shaking, and I thought man if I could be a part of that that would make me feel really good. What happens on the field tells one story what happens off? Gotham Chopra from religion of sports available. Now, why sports matter on apple podcast radio dot com or wherever you get your shows. I mean, just in this midterm election cycle. We have seen a breakthrough for women candidates at all levels. Yes. Is that in your future? Oh my gosh. That's like going from zero to one hundred I just live in the present. And I love ESPN, and I love sharing my new company Hines like so to be here today. I had no clue that I would end up working fulltime for ESPN being in the WB even going back to when we we never like my sisters. And I we never start out basketball things have just happened. I got injured twice. I don't know. If I've told you ever my specific injuries. I had right knee microfracture surgery and left achilles injury. So I get to the league have great rookie year. Go overseas Italy, and I have microphones sure I have to have microfracture surgery comeback rehab for a whole year and a half and then I play again comeback season. Great go to China, and injure my Killys and I injured my. Chilies in a foreign country by myself on the road. But because of my first injury in I got a super African mom like that like superhero, mom, she called all the doctors up and within. I would say fifty fifty six hours. I was back from China in the states on the operating table already dining hills. So I've had these crazy incidents in which I've realized that like basketball's not forever, and in the interim because Australia to connect it son ESPN's in the backyard opportunities came up, and I've just really I think my whole thing is there are a lot of people who have preconceived notions about the WNBA. And no matter what we say we can't we can't win those guys over and hopefully we will. But our game stance. You know for itself for people that doubt it or even I bet you if there's listeners that were like, oh WNBA player talking. That's the things we deal with twenty four seven like I love the game of basketball. I love the NBA, and I know the game because I played the game since I was ten played a high level draft number one. But people. Care about that type of stuff. The reason why I am here like working with ESPN insuring my voice. So that people can understand that we have value as women. Right. Just because I am not in the NBA doesn't mean I can't speak on it. And I feel like this is an issue that a lot of women have throughout industry. Right. And as you mentioned the midterms. I think women are starting to claim their voices. Right. And it doesn't come easy. Like every day. There'll be some kind of shade on my post. You know, you saw this firsthand the daily comet tweet that I put out and it was I saw the tweet. And I said, I don't think I wanna look at the comments. I know. But we're so used to it. But I actually surprised because it was like fifty fifty people like, hey, I'm here for this. Tune into w the daily, meanwhile, the other fifty were just being ignorant, but it's fine. You don't have to care about the WNBA, but please at least respect craft. We're the best women's basketball league in the entire world. If you come to a game, you get that. But people speak on our game without even knowing it. And I feel like me having this great opportunity ESPN to share my voice can hopefully open people's minds understand that. Hey, she does bring something to the table. That is valid and maybe these WNBA players, you know, I can understand in follow in support and watch their game because she's hopefully bringing light to that as well. So when you ask me, what am I doing the man, I don't know? I don't know. But I've just been following shooting. Does the idea of public office? I don't mean during your career, you can only I don't think you can if there's anyone who could run for political office work for US PIN kit. Playing the NBA and do the jump on their off day. It's you, but you've been around it you've been around people at the highest levels and public service year round it's year. And does the idea down the road someday? Could you imagine intriguing you? You know, I don't know what the future holds. And this is what I'd do. I follow myself and my passion. So I am Nigerian American I am a female. I'm an athlete and whatever's true to me, I just pursue. And funny thing is that now, you know, being Nigerian American female athlete manifest itself in two WNBA player that speed, you know, that's NBA like everything that I do speaks to who. I am. So I don't know if the opportunity presents itself later down, maybe. But at this point, I'm good love. Enjoy the WNBA the collective bargaining agreement is going to be reopened the WNBA players association. You're on the executive committee. Your sister is the president. Yes. You guys want to go back in with the league and look at the salary structure. And you know, it's been talked about for years. Yeah. The paternity in the Goshi to do it. What's been the? The thought in the league about listen, you know, at times, there's it's taken a while to figure out getting franchises in the right markets places that support women's ask. Well, I think initially there was a lot of WNBA. Well, we haven't NBA team. We're going to have a WNBA team, and it may not have fit, and then you realize well where I thought the league really kind of took off was when you went away from just having NBA markets and say, okay, you know, what there is great interest in women's basketball absolute. So we're going to put a team because this is a fan base that is used and appreciates and supports women's basket. You can say the same Vegas and the culture and the sports betting world. Now like having team there is valuable to prove that you can't have sports in Vegas. It will not be an easy fight for you guys. Not on this one because they're going to say, whether they opened the books books, they're going gonna go. Hey, you know, we've absorbed a lot of losses to keep the league going to grow at the thrive. I'm sure there's probably teams making I don't but. I think it's more of a I was we're on the jump and STAN Gundy set it, and we were talking about it. And I thought stands point was maybe more. This is much a moral issue. Absolutely. The league makes tremendous amount of money. They can afford to. I think you guys would like salaries that would allow you not to have to go overseas in the off season. Be able to stay here to help further build fan bases in communities instead of everybody having to everyone's gonna go to Europe or Russia or China to go play others can stay and also worked to grow the game in those marketplaces, right? Everyone else after escape when the season ends. Yeah. And you know, I'm just going to be candidates. We've talked around so much, and I'm just tired of talking around things when it comes to our CVA and the issues that WB players face a lot of people say that. Okay. When all you is care about is increasing your salary. We're like, no, we don't we want to enhance player experience. Now, there's certain issues that I find problematic like, for instance, we know where? Are the best women's basketball league in the world people that come to our games and watch like dang these women's these women ball, and it's great. But there's again a lot of people that speak on our league without even knowing it. Right. So it hurts our value to also have the league whenever it comes to these discussions and negotiations. Whatever it is the first thing that they say is we've incurred losses we've been investing. We're trying to do better. How you going to sell a product. When all you want to talk about is how much this product is losing. Let's talk about how much product is gaining the WNBA actually operates in profit. Right. We do generate profits at a league level. That's true. We do receive. I believe twenty five million from ESPN. That's great that helps with those losses that you wanna talk about so much, right? And also are streaming numbers up. Our merchandising is up sixty six percent our revenue is increasing as well. Right. So there's so many great positive indicate. Tres whether it's streaming revenue. However, it is that our game is advancing. But the players we sort of stay and remain the same. Our salaries remain the same no matter how this league is growing to us. That's a little problematic. And when you look at the NBA players, they know exactly what their value is. Okay. What's your revenue share around? What is it? Fifty fifty percent forty nine. Yes. When when WNBA players are playing twenty four seven overseas, and we have issues we're like what what's our value? We can't even tell you. Specifically, what our value is? That's a problem as well. So there's so many things that you know, we are so proud like the reason why Debbie players playing the WB is not because of the money, and we're fortunate to get paid to do what we love is because we're twenty three years in and we've never folded, we're the only women's league has never folded, and that's largely at the hands of the NBA, which we are extremely grateful for but for us. It's like we're looking okay, we have to push to make sure that the business is run the same way that the NBA's run if the NBA after twenty three years had incr-. Mental growth exponential growth. How are we going to force our exponential growth? We're going to hold the league accountable for making sure each and every franchises value is as high as it can be just like the NBA's at this point. And I think that's why people always talk about the numbers. We gave you the numbers. We didn't give you the numbers. Well, let's just be real. Okay. What are these numbers that? We can make sure every franchises maximizing itself. Right. Because you know, what's fixed? The players are costs are the same. Why aren't we growing? What's what's happening within each and every institution? And that's you know, we're we're only talking because we come from a place of wanting to better the overall business like we don't want to be looked to as a handout we wanna be looked to as partners in investment moving forward. Right. But, you know, everyone wants to ever wants to say, oh, they want. Brian Jay's money. That's not. That's not the case. We just wanna league where we know. The next few the next generation of Hooper's have a chance to be in something that's really thriving, and it's not treated as a movement or a cause like an actual business. The same energy that you're doing to help G league players. Same energy. You have in the NBA. Let's have that same energy to hold our business accountable. So that we keep growing. Now, the big issue, and you know, I'm on a previous book, our brand our brand we need to help find a way to, you know, make our brands something a little bit better because everyone's so comfortable to, you know, trash on the WNBA without even knowing it, and that's not cool people. Don't keep that same energy in person won't when they see like, oh, you're great. But then those same people will go and talk about our league in a disrespectful way. I always think like the greatest one of the great marketing vehicles for the WNBA has been for the most part how much respect NBA players show. It's amazing. They come to your games. They sit courtside they bring their families or they come or even if it's a player interacting like on Twitter social media share that like whatever men have issues or don't take the WNBA seriously. It doesn't include the men who are the best players in the world. Exactly. And we don't need their respect his our game stands on their own. But we truly appreciate it. Like when I was playing in Vegas today. After I saw you Damian Lillard was there are Celts. Was there? Damara rosen. Was there? I hadn't met damore yet. I've know Damon for awhile and Damara was like a I'll wash game you'll footwell crazy like and it's great Quinn. Cook was there, and they had the choice to go watch the G league team. And they came and watched us to us. That's that's amazing. And that's validation. But it seems like it doesn't resonate with a lot of people. Even I bet you on his podcast, someone might listen. And immediately say oh Buick conversation about in here. Pro be better than that. It's twenty eighteen different. You know, and it gets tiresome. But at the same time man, we built up some real thick skin is WB players because I think we're excited about the CVA. We're we're forgetting all the haters because we understand the people that know basketball like hilarious BoJ, you'll damore to rose in three sixty lay of so mazing. And then meanwhile, we're like, oh w I'm not watching three sixty layups. I'm like, hold a, wait. Where's that same energy? You have with the Marta. Rosen's three six versus angel doing in the Olympics. Like, that's the double. Anders women have to deal with twenty four seven. But you know, we carry forward. This was I'm glad we finally did this. I know we've been shifts in the night, so many times cross paths crossed the fast, but your desk is near mind. Now, it's true. I'm gonna very quiet corner. My cubicle, whatever it is isn't a pretty quiet corner of ESPN. So I walk. You know, I'm coming. No, I do usually here you before. But it's it's actually funny because like Chris Berman has an office back there very much here once in a while, and like you'll hear them, and he's there, and you know, you sort of feel like your PIN because like there's Christmas. How you sure, but that's sort of my when I see you. But yet, right. So, but anyway, but now, I've got you. And what is this thing you brought over here? Oh, okay. Lamp so I was out WalMart while while the world, and there was like a display, and I was out here buying things for my office because I just got my office to and I saw this lady was putting them up, and there's so many Himalayan salt lab salt. She's like, oh, you're in the office section. Do you need some everyone's plan? These I was just easy bait everyone's putting these in their offices. So it's like a natural that apparently absorbs radiation from computers and also absorbs negative vibes. So we will have we won't be positive have to do a lot of. I know a lot of absorption. How I know. It didn't help this week with all the stuff in the NBA his work. And I am I have to take a back. So that that was my question to you. So it absorbs negative. So is it like a WI fi? I can get my feet off of yours own first. Can steal off. Absolutely. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Are you going to take the land? Thanks today time anytime. All right. Great stuff. Thanks for listening to the of the pod. A big. Thank you to my guest today. Chanel Gumi K. Remember, you can subscribe and listen to archived episodes of this podcast wherever you get your shows, you could find on apple podcasts or wherever else you listen. And of course, a big thank you today. Sponsors policy genius with and Sonos be sure to support them the way this is here at the world's pod will catch next time.

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TrueHoop's Henry Abbott: What he's learned about basketball, what he wants to learn, career advice, and the new TrueHoop

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TrueHoop's Henry Abbott: What he's learned about basketball, what he wants to learn, career advice, and the new TrueHoop

"Well, I've been wanting to have this man on the podcast, basically since its inception. Someone who many of us, including me, oh, a great depth to both in terms of expanding the NBA media universe and also directly helping many of our careers as well. He's now rebooting the true hoop site true hoop himself and rabbit. How're you doing? I didn't know it was going to be all embarrassing on the intro. Thanks, all those nice things. You said Nate pleasure. I got all this nice shit. I'm gonna say by later to actually all right? Just just a award you beforehand. How's it going man to have you back? Now, it's great to be back. It's great to be back. The attic of my house where I spent twenty two months, basically, not man was. House arrest. But I had a weird sabbatical. And I'm looking at the books. I read I read this huge shelf of books, and I'm a little bit of like a curious mind. So I'll just like learn a ton. And I went way down the rabbit hole. But now it's and that was fun. That was it was real. It's been tons of time with my family who the best I had a wonderful time during this twenty months. But now, it's like all the stuff that I learned from these books and from watching basketball and talking to people in interviewing people flying around the country. Now, I get to like do it. Right. Like, I'm a in the end. I'm one of those like dogs that likes to run, you know, now, I get to go run, which is pretty cool. It feels great feels great. That'd be out of the cage. What you're also a human who likes to run as it turns out of. But yeah, having played basketball with you. I can attest to that. We actually I do I use that me some topics and I want to hit those. But I realize like I have one topic that I wanna ask you about which is when we played basketball together. Even though I'm under the impression that you're fastly younger than me. You have way more contraptions. And doodads that you put on your body before the game starts, I kind of want you to catalog those for me. I used to actually be just a normal person. And then I I tore up my knee. I did my patellar tendon ACL and meniscus all at once. And actually the first time I met you. It's on you remember this, but I- we'd had some brief interactions on Twitter beforehand. I went up and nervously introduced myself, and you you're like, oh, well, how come you didn't come to the pickup game yesterday? I was like, wow. You know, I did this injury. I listed. I'll often he's like, well how about next year you, you don't tear your realm meniscus and patellar tendon. Is that the worst knee injury? There is like supposedly it only happens in football and car crashes basketball. I don't know how I did it playing basketball. No one who was even there was able to tell me then I decided to drive home afterwards. That wasn't a good idea. Either is like a forty five minute drive. I was not able to get out of my out of my car had kit kit assistance, are you now at at this stage of your life. Are you someone who does or does not watch like, for instance, the nurse gingery video? I don't if I know that it's bad. I decided that torch like I've never seen Shaun Livingston. I've never seen careful bird. I haven't seen never catch. But so, but but anyway to answer your question, which I was clearly deflecting. So I definitely I've definitely got the compression tights highly recommend this brand called skins from Australia. A buddy of mine who skis recommended I find them far superior to the Nike and Adidas offerings the so check those out the. To make a great brand of recovery tights that you put on afterwards, which is highly necessary. Then I've got a few foam rollers back today. It was foam. Now, I've gotten to where I actually used like a piece of PVC pipe that I from Home Depot. Yeah. Yeah. Because. Yeah. You need it for running right? Like, your IT bends yet and other places. Yeah. For sure whatever whatever it's forty five minute. You what you put that thing? Wherever you need to like. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I I actually just turned thirty nine. So I'm a, but and then I wear kneepads because when you have knee injuries, and you bang your knee into someone or the floor. It is very painful. Let's see what else I don't do much with like the upper by don't have any like the sleeves or anything like that. I do carry like a yoga strap to do like some overhead squats with kind of wore my hips up before I play it's really like the whole resume. Don't play anymore is just it's like such a production to even like, I spend more time warming up than like. Actually playing you're used to show up and just played for three hours. And now I'm still there for three hours, but like an hour and a half of that is like actually warming up or like cooling down and doing what stretching. So it's simple when we went to the door train like approach thing hover many years ago that was like more than ten there was at one of his co workers down. There was at the time was like, hey, like who here plays basketball to stay in shape? And we all raise your hands is who here's over thirty five and maybe half of us have our hands up. He's like, okay. So for you guys you used to play basketball to stay in shape. But now you have to stay in shape to play basketball. Oh bummer. That is that is all too true. So now that we've self-aggrandizement calls. How old and useless? We are. Let's talk a little bit. You mentioned that you've spent all this time in in your attic. I'm imagining you with the lights off your face aglow with like eight different monitors of basketball games. Maybe like rubbing one of those balls of. Although I guess yeah. The that image kind of falls apart. Now that I think about what you look like like the guy rubbing the ball, and like the the hair like standing up from the movie. Yeah. The Saudis gave Trump like that thing. Like you. I'm talking about. They put that thing with the hell. This should be here. So, but you've you presumably I'm guessing in the last five years come up with some you're you may win the most curious basketball mindset. I know that what did you? Learn about basketball you say in the last five years. It's such a interesting question. Okay. So a really quick answer. Is there are so many, proud brilliant. I'm gonna say men because they almost all our men who were like the titans of the game. When I started covering it who I now know were to fundamentally incorrect on a number of key issues about the game, which I take no particular joy in that. But this whole kind of like, oh, well, you know, Larry Bird said this or Magic Johnson said that or whoever it is like they can be really really smart and really really novel about this and just have been completely wrong about for instance, three pointers, right? They just were at sad to say. But the league as described by the titans of the league is not the league of today. Right. Like, charles. Barkley with the stupid jump shots. Don't win championships. He's just got to stop with that. Like, it's completely the North Pole of wrong. Right. So I learned that that kind of rattled my whole world where it's like, you know, we're going like you and me Nate and a bunch of people think this. We'll have to be the ones to figure out what's true in basketball because we can't listen to those guys. Right. It's it's hard work. But we're gonna have to do it. That's one thing. Yeah. No. I mean, that's really to react to that. That's kinda depressing. Like, it's so, and it's so easy to just be able to point to gravitas of. Oh, well, this guy said this. So it has to be true. He's won five championship. So I'm like a, and you still get that from fans a lot too, right? Like when you when you criticize the coaching decision or abroad. Yeah. I think you would you vote. What is what does Gregg Popovich as or your would you've won five championships? Like magically may be all listen to what you have to say. Yeah. I mean, I'm all for like everybody gets to feel. However, they wanna feel right. I don't want to tell you that you shouldn't listen to magic. Or however, you wanna listen to that's fine. But if we're getting down to the question of what works on the court. We just can't do it that way like those feelings can't drive it. Right. So I mean heaven forbid like when you got your knee surgery at I assume you got heaven forbid, the doctor went with like the biggest name experts on what the technique was like, no they used science, right? Like people. Studied that like you should attach this ligament in VAT way, because it is demonstrated over time with big populations to work better than if you do different way. Right. Like, that's the only right approach. There's not you can't just go. Oh, well, famous surgeon said this. So that's what we're gonna go with just that's a substitute for studying it, right? You're saying I don't want to do the work of studying it, which is fine. I don't wanna do the work of studying like which restaurants best to go to. Let's just go to the nice meal. It's fine. We can use feelings for these things that aren't central and this is entertainment ultimately. But sometimes we want to get into like, why are the warriors so good? And you know, you can't listen to Charles Barkley on that one, he's not helpful. They're right. He doesn't have answers that will bear out over time. And if you're an owner, you don't want to like try to emulate the warriors with Charles Barkley like approach because it won't work, right? Like actually on this question. The bucks to me or one of the most fascinating teams right now. 'cause why are they so much better than they used to be? You know what I mean? It's a real question. Right. A whole bunch of things changed her Cole own that team forever. And they were all. Mediocre at best right, different owners, different management, different coaching. And suddenly, they're the only team that scary to the warriors. Like what what it's not as simple as like Jaanus, right? There's more complicated in that. You know, the right answers. Those questions are not available on television. But they're still like, even you know, you got the Falk on here really pick his brain. You're gonna learn some stuff, right? Like people unknowable stuff. Right. But it's a it's complicated. And it's it's more. You learn from the attic than from the TV. 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The TV deals up is particularly NBA will get a huge amount of money for those rights from somebody. And that person will lose a metric ton of money on that deal unless there's a product that we don't know yet that pays for it. You know, something on a phone something global, something instant gratification. Something amazing, but it is not going to be large numbers of people watching chilies commercials in the middle of a three hour broadcast that so there's just no way. That's what it is. And right now, that's the only thing that really pays the Bill. So we gotta find out what the NBA is next killer product is or it's going to be hard times, and it might be a decade out. But I think the time is now to sort out what the product is you have. That's a really interesting question. You can make the argument that lives TV sports rights have still been going up in spite of declining live TV viewership. And that maybe you can say, well, sure viewership is declining. But it's declining less in this fractious media environment than anything else is. And so maybe that still worth something. And that may be just the association. With the the NBA brand is enough. I don't know the answer to that question or not what I don't know. Whether it's worth it for these companies pay for it, all we could promote our our other programming or maybe people aren't watching whole gains. But more people are kind of just getting in for fifteen minutes and other. That's good enough. I I don't know the answer that I do think though with the changing landscape, whether it's more subscription packages. Maybe there's going to be kind of a tightening of things where everything else is becoming niece. And so now, the NBA is gonna become more Nisha while, but maybe for the people who do really care they can sell subscriptions at its occupant free TV some of the stuff anymore. We're trying to do this NBA cast, which hopefully they'll open up more of this stuff to alternate broadcasters that that can make things more interesting for certain people. But I I agree. I have a level of concern the way you do. I don't think it's inevitable. But I definitely think. Just the overall landscape is and then also, I guess the global aspect of it, too is is the other thing they really it seems like they really have not been able to monetize that very much you'd probably know more about that than I would. I mean, they're good at it compared to the other leagues that's for. Sure. Right. They have this huge staff in China, and they have an office in India and London. And you know, I actually did a fascinating interview with an investment banker who is intimately involved with all this. And he was like the NBA is the criminal crime at that. And one of the statistics, which really impressed me was and I don't know if this is still true. But it was the day that he talked to me he's like right now on shelves in China. The NBA logo is on one billion cartons of milk. And he also pointed out this other thing, which is the NBA is is the brand of global basketball. That's not true in any other league in any other sport. Like, the premiership soccer is you know, in China is like menu and arsenal. Right. The league doesn't have its presence there. But the NBA is so far ahead of the game that they are poised to really be like the body that monetize is the global popularity of the sport at its highest level, which is potentially tremendously valuable. But it's really not the case that like, you know, if you if you go on a round the world trip with your phone, and you want just watch MBA's you go. I mean, forget it. You know what I mean? Like, the only way you can do it is it legal, right? But the NBA will I think be wise to have some way that you could give him five bucks or whatever the amount is. And and get that. So I think you have to figure it out. You know, you've mentioned all these experiments that you're participating in. And you know, we're trying some stuff here too. And I think if I were the NBA here's some grants, right? Like everybody just tries to fleas because we need to see what kind of right like something's gonna connect and with young people. And I don't pretend to know what it is. But the game right now is structured for commercials. Right. Like like, we go in the arena, it all the air is let out of the Bill. Building every few minutes because they need to stop everything for the commercials, and it's stupid. Right. It is it makes a horrible experience for everyone other than the fact that those courses I'm not using air quotes pay all the bills like they don't anymore. They don't pay all the bills something else ought to pay the bills in which case, why do we need all these wire? The wise a nationally broadcast games. So many more minutes long than a local one as well. Because there's a lot of money at stake there, right? Like, this minutes of pausing, the game are valuable that's changing. And then if you're not pausing for this million dollars of that million dollars. But you're pausing for you know, a quarter of that. Would you still want to posit you don't you still need Steph to sit over there looking bored? Waiting play basketball again, like just have them. Go play. Yeah. I mean, I do think having like, you know, a minute of commercials more than two minutes and thirty seconds of commercials could be a lot more effective because then at least you're not necessarily going to get up. You know, you like I your it's not enough to. Time. We're like, okay. I'm gonna take out my phone and like really getting gross in Twitter or change the channel or something. That's like enough. And maybe you still show the, you know, player the huddles or whatever in the corner or something like enough where you can. And maybe you could charge more for those commercials too. I I do think that that's just an interesting concept. Overall of you know, should they make things a little more scarce say regular season games? And could they charge more for it? Or not. I think that's something. That's never adequately a been studied. I I really I think part of what's limiting them right now is they sold these in two thousand fourteen riches really very much an inflection point though. That's kinda like the high of ESPN and the most somber a cable subscriptions at all that stuff. So they sold these the SPN NTN t in two thousand fourteen and the exclusive rights, I mean, they're really limited in what they can do. They can sell league pass. They can do stuff internationally. But you can't just do let people just come in into an alternate streaming unless they work for ESPN. Or TNT those networks are trying to work with that a little bit. But they're also very wary of diluting their primary product, so. Yeah. The league would probably like to be more creative. But they're just limited because they've given these exclusive contracts for everything to TNT in. Yes, PM. Yeah. There's I mean, this is like probably not a general MBA interest. But I do think there's also a question of product. So in the cable television world, the people who run it are people for whom the product has always been very clearly defined, right? There's a game broadcast. There's a studio show. And there's really nothing else. Like, you didn't have to even brainstorm, right? It's just like we're going to do this or we're going to do that. And the way they do those two things has hardly evolved whatsoever. As you know as soon as you put something on the internet. The question of what is the product is immense and vast and requires daily innovation and brainstorming. Right. Like, you know, you, and I could both today be involved in creating all right now a podcast, but, you know, something on every single social media platform ever created something behind a paywall something free. A long story short story of animation. Everything and there's a lot of wrong answers in there. And it takes a totally different person to run that company. Right. So if you're the person who's Houston not thinking about that you don't want the answer to be one of those innovative things. Right. You want the answer to be studio show or game broadcast. Right. Because if it's some other things some weird things new thing, you're not that I personally run that. Right. So I think there's just this kind of inherent tension of the companies that have most profited from cable TV are not the ones that are going to innovate. The thing. That's going to replace cable TV, right? Nevertheless, there's a lot of money on that should to it's real like, it's insane. How much money they spend on those broadcasts at how much of it is just grandfathered in and all we have to do it this way. And this is how much it costs as opposed to. I mean from the amount of money that they pay the broadcasters and all the equipment, and like it's really a remarkable amount of money. It is it is. And we all buy into it. Right. Like, we all kind of feel like something happens on TV. It's a big deal. Actually. Total pet. Peeve of mine is the way first of all I don't think anybody should have a job where they cover sports media like as journalists that is so weird to me. I can't imagine people care. I work in sports me, and I don't care people care. Okay. But in that world the way sports media covered. I'm like, I don't want to divulge a bunch of like trade numbers or whatever. But I'm gonna tell you that like if something happens on TV in the sports media world, it is a big deal. Even if the number of people, consuming, our fractional and people who are consuming an equivalent thing online. Does that make sense? Like, yeah, there's just we all spend all of our time on our phones reading stuff about the NBA. But we think it's only a big deal. When somebody's on TV talking about the NBA event. Is it like a a famous thing? You know what I mean? But it's it the that emperor is wearing fewer and fewer clothes every day for me. Which is like, this is crazy. If you go read like whatever sports media columnist analysts, whatever like it's basically one hundred percent about who's. In a studio wearing makeup, and that's not how we spend time anymore. It's just not like it, just that's not what matters is how you reach people. It's it's it's a small and dwindling audience compared to everyone who follows the NBA in some fashion. Right. A billion people are following and some NBA social media account, the NBA says and a way less than a billion are watching anyone wearing makeup in a studio. So aren't we were about twenty minutes in? With your first question. Do you have any other winters? So we move on here. Rallies in move on. Okay. So this is another one here questions that you about basketball that you are looking for answers to that you I mean, maybe not actively. But that you really would love to have answered maybe is a better way to put it. And this is feels like like like a fat softball was middle plate for what I'm actually obsessed with right now today and going to publish on troop tomorrow, which is touching off this series on on the work that it takes to become not just a NBA level athlete, but one of the very most athletic and be athletes. Right. So the work that it takes to become a name your player who you're picturing right now, Yoenis Janas Russell, Westbrook, whatever LeBron's prime and cetera jerk. It's disproportionately the very most lead athletes in all sports at that thing are obsessive right diagnose ably. I'm not saying. Everyone would just aimed is has diagnosing them. But I'm saying that the habits that drive you to get there tend to make you socially a little different. Right. And we generally celebrate that we generally say like, oh, this is the same guy who can't sleep after a loss, or this is the same guy who has these weird rituals and pre-game or all these things. Right. So this is one of the things that all these books on my shelf appear are about is what's happening in our brains there. Right. And I had this. And LeBron is the focus of that part of the story like LeBron's teammate is a little difficult, and we're going to explore that, and it's pretty obvious. But it's difficult for the exact reason that he's such a good athlete. Right. The exact part of him. That's like it's wrong. He's you know, like there have some reporting that LeBron thinks your Aslan and not taking the game. Seriously. If you show up only, fifteen minutes before the workout right? He's been there for two or three hours already, and he's got a full lather going. And he's mad. He's steamed. At his teammates who only convince him minutes early. And if you're late will we already know right in when he was new Cleveland playing with young players. He was all over Twitter just pet hashtag pet peeve about people being late for anything. Right. This is how LeBron became all. At once. Like one of the very biggest by every measure one of the very strongest and at times, arguably the fastest player in the history of the league all the same time. It's an he's an unheard of athlete. But it doesn't come with like think about Steph teammates, right? Think about everything they let Ethan Sherwood Strauss's article about everything Draymond green has done. Wrong like snap. Chatting speedometer as he's zooming through the tunnel, Oakland, whatever a million things with social media and strippers, and you know, just that punching this guy all that stuff. Right. Steffes able to perform at a high level and Kakinada brow. And be like, oh, okay. That's not Jerry Mazda. Right. Lebrons. Lebron's like he should have been in the gym. Right. He should never been any of these stupid things. That's attention. Right. Lebron's less valuable as a team leader. Then. Steph is I think Steph because he's steps just more tolerant, right? And that means more different kinds of players can succeed alongside Steph. Whereas LeBron's had just as parade of like, Mike Miller is the the top of the mountain here rate or Ray Allen. These guys who are like that might not be bouncy that might not be able to let you up with dunks and stuff but gosh, darn it they'll show show up to work on time or super early. And those of the players LeBron has gravitated to in fairness LeBron has had a few reclamation practically JR Smith. You got a lot out of him. Yes. For example. But yeah, I mean, I think it's in some ways it's even younger guys to who have potential where he is expects them to to evolve the way, he did which you know, isn't necessarily fair to them or maybe as in the case of some of these guys. But yeah, I think that's really interesting. And definitely, you know, LeBron on-court is walled chose a lot more body language and frustration than some like suffer or be like, Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan. Those those guys are examples. Of the more quiet leadership. But you can still be really good. If you're like those guys as well. I don't think you have to be a you're just so driven an obsessive to the point of view irritating people to be that good necessarily. Yeah. For sure I mean, look, I I I'm writing this with a lot of love as someone who wrestles with the same thing. Right. Like, I, you know, I I'm very concerned by the best way to do things. Right. And. Yeah. A lot of my career could be defined by sort of like what works best rate. So once you know that once you why you can only work with Thorpe bright. For sure. But once you once you kind of examined these things, right? So or let me wait what you mentioned skins. I think is that what they're called the Australian tights that you were. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you've done the homework on this. Right. You try the Nike. He tried to whatever. And you're like, oh, the skins are definitely better. Like, it's now not as easy for you. I would guess to not along if some young person your life says like, oh, these are great party. He was like man actually now you're kind of a jerk right now. You're kind of socially weird, right? Because you've done your homework on this. Like lebrons does homework on everything in the NBA. Right. Like, which means when one of his teammates snap chatting, the speedometer going into tunnel. He's like now, it's wrong. Right. That's not. That's not what you do. And you know, it's socially kind of Dickey. I think that's really where Atlanta's not evil. It's just kind of Dickey, and it's less fun to work with that guy than it is the guy who's like, it takes all kinds. That's a that's a team wise a superior way to be not something. I'm good at something. I work on your that's like a defining project of my adult life is like just be less of a dick. I mean, that's kind of funny that you say that I buy my joke about Thorpe aside. I mean, you you like have brought so many people into the fold with like the true hoop network. It and stuff that surprises me to hear you say that because you're like you've worked with so many people and like no one ever as anything bad to say about you. So congratulations on successfully hiding that aspect you're I guess, I mean, I'm a little bit of a note. All right. Like, you could probably play back to tape of this conversation detect that. So I know I I've done an imperfect job of learning how to manage that. But yeah, there's there's there's a little weird thing with my career rate, which is I was very public. Right. I I know that for many years, I published more words than anybody in the history of ESPN dot com rates and a lot of them are personal how I met my wife is somewhere on the troop archives. I it's very personal stuff. And then I was hidden, right? Then I was a manager. I was a boss managing all of these people. And really getting a crash course in the kind of teamwork I'm talking about right now. And like that was all. Secret. Right. So look the part where I really learned all this was like late night conversations with Baxter homes, right or or or, you know, Jackie McMullan's stuck in like the actually one of the best is like the Uber. Driver left with the laptop that has Jackie McMullan's books. Only copy of her book on it. Like this kind of stuff. Like, this is what she got it back. But then we talked about the cloud. But I think, you know, the part of my life where I've been a more social team focused guy was mostly in secret. But now, it's it's a big thing. I learned that's a big I love it. I love being part of a team like that. Now, it's my favorite thing. Valued at more than getting a on the test or whatever like a solo accomplishment would be I so much prefer or even runner. I yeah. Okay. I've run marathons and I trained hard, and it's gotten good times or whatever I don't even care anymore. The thing I love is the relay race the thing where you're in and out of the van with the people high five and hug each other. Like, I'm all about that. Now. That's that's where the magic is for me. So that's where that's why I'm writing about this team or stuff is because it's it's it's what I've had to learn as an. Adult. 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Hey, maybe Kobe Bryant actually isn't the greatest clutch player of all time. If you do something like, oh, I don't know count. The number of makes MRs that he has in that situation, which apparently noted over thought to do at the time. Like, that's like a you got so much shit for that. Right. I mean, but to do that. And actually, no I'm going to see whether this thing that everyone thinks is true. Actually, look at it. And hey, I'm gonna trust. What my research says rather than what everyone else says I mean true on the basketball court to like Jimmy Butler, if he had listened to everyone who told him how to develop his career he would have just been some three D guy, and he would have made ten million years up in. And instead he worked on his game so much that he became like a near superstar level player. And a guy who could do all this stuff of the bonus ends at no one ever thought. He could do because he didn't listen to everyone else because he was era Ghent about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm not gonna argue with you on that. I think I've just that part came easy to me, you know. I just I the whole like moment where someone has to say like four in the car, and it's going the wrong way. And everyone feels like they don't wanna hurt the drivers feelings or whatever. Like, I've always been the guy who's like guys like Turner around like like, oh, man. It's just been that guy. And and I value it, you know, I could tell you that all the reasons that matters or whatever and you'll outlined some beautifully. But it's much more. Interesting to me, if you can you know, I think being right is almost a commodity at this point. There's so many smart people, especially where you live. There's so many brilliant people doing so many things, and so many people have done their homework and read up on the thing and have earned the right to stick some claim that like this or that or whatever, and I tell I don't want you to questions is about career like how do you get into this business? I actually think being smart and being correct is a commodity at this point Google's, correct? Hey is smart. The real trick is can you get other people on board? You can you can you realize until this cause and in which case can you build a team or Jimmy Butler is a great example. I he's right about managing his career. And I'm still looking for any evidence that he's got anybody else on board. You know? That's where the magic is. That's how you win championships. That's why the bucks just crushed. The Sixers of the night that game. I went to like that also gives me about an implant. But but but yeah, I think that's the that's what work is about in two thousand nineteen moving forward. Yeah. I also think too that. Being willing to acknowledge when you are wrong, and like try to improve your processes also a commodity to like actually going back and looking at whether we they're play people who are willing to make predictions and make statements, but you're just all right? Well, that's out there in the third because I did the show yesterday. You know, those six months ago no remembers it now. So I do want to get to some of the crew stuff a little bit later. But this is one of the questions that I am really interested in is how much does locker room drama. However, you want to define that yet. Whether it's what we saw the warriors this year. Whether it's what we saw at the Celtics this year, how much does that actually matter high is it just a media creation because people are interested in the male soap opera aspect of this business, or does that actually really hurt you on the court at an how would you even try to determine that empirically? I have to quote on the wall in my crazy man attic both of which apply to what you're saying. One. Of them is from Daniel conman, you know, who he is a short no one ever made a decision because of a number. They need a story. The other one is from Daniel Coyle. Who's a friend and a hero of mine? He's he wrote the talent code and culture code and the book on the hidden race, which was really the book about de Lance Armstrong. He says when we hear a fact a few isolated areas of our brain light up. And when we hear a story, however, a brain lights up like Las Vegas. So I think, you know, I don't know like every instance of locker room drama is a different soap opera with different sort of Ginny Millan end and some of them probably matter more than anything and some of them put matter at all, by know that when it gets emotional it starts to feel like our lives, which will relate to that. Like, I can't relate to dunking over people, but I can relate to being chaptered a co worker, right? That feels real to me, and it doesn't feel real because it's going to drive championship. It's because you're running is like every story every Hollywood movies about your name. Right. Every single one because that's what we do we care about. So we think about. So we gravitate to. So I think it's it's always going to be how humans taken stories because lights up our brains like Vegas when it's emotional. Right. Is it going to actually decide to wins the championship? Like, you know, probably not probably matters. More to be like, you know, taking quality shots and passing the ball. The open guy and playing good d. That's my question is like how does this actually manifest itself on the court? I could see it being are you're not playing good defense. You're not helping your team mate. You're not giving us much effort. If you're telling me a guy who used to be a forty percent three point shooter is not going to shoot twenty nine percent because of some locker room drama. I I am skeptical of something like that. Yeah. I I guess I feel more like I seem every group of people on the planet is imperfectly inharmonious in some way. Right. Just because people aren't Ramesh, right. Dislike maybe every car is not like doesn't it? Perfect wind resistance, right? There's always a struggle. It's always some friction point however to the degree you can. And this is not just conjecture. This is I'm looking for the book air, but my guide Dan Quayle's book, the culture code has a lot of evidence on like as do many other books on what works at work. Right. One of the things that make one of the qualities that consistent. Inspire better than expected results from teams and number one. Most of those studies is something some version of feeling safe feeling psychologically safe at work feeling that your best idea is welcomed so you'll share and then the whole business gets stronger. So to me on the warriors. This is you can see Steph. Sometimes right. He's like who. Let's might be cool, and he'll do some weird thing. Right. Once upon a time, it was a step back three, which is basically a bad shot until he taught us that it wasn't anymore. Right. But he's done one hundred weird things because he feels safe to do those things and on a different team. He just wouldn't have tried them. Right. So I think Steve Kerr is like the greatest leader in basketball history. As far as I could tell I don't know too. Well, but like he's just he's got all these people to perform at levels that you couldn't even pictured when their careers started. Right. Not to mention there was a different coach in the team. And they weren't anything like good. Although I do think the as far as like Steph, really embracing his creativity and. Kind of beginning to break the game. I do think Mark Jackson deserves some credit for unleashing him and giving him the confidence in that respect with. I certainly agree with you. That Kerr deserves a lot more credit for their success. Yeah. I don't mean to like when they just weren't that good. You know? And then they got a lot of a lot of things change. Obviously, I don't pretend to know look the causing effect. But but I do think if you can if you're a team that's fighting each other. Then you're probably going to go play another team whether it all fighting each other. And so it probably doesn't affect anything. But if you can go a month, two months three months of building trust. Then there's a lot of evidence that suggests like you'll start seeing things out of peoples that you never could have anticipated. Right. So maybe we lived in a league where zero thirty teams really had that magic owned. But now there are a couple teams that seem to be building that kind of thing. And now you got try to beat them. Right. So if you're fighting each other and yelling, each other, whatever it's it could be fine. But it also it means you're probably not getting that like who. Look how good dream on his now. Look, look we can plug in. I mean, how many minimum players rather than the warriors. They get productive minutes from all these players that wouldn't make a lot of MBA teams, you know. Yup. That's super oppressive to me. Well in court it up seven three-pointers last night in case you were wondering yet for the for the pockets of. So what are you looking to learn in these playoffs like what are the most intriguing questions storylines, whatever as we head into the twenty one thousand nine postseason on the blazers fan. So there in some drama the post Norwich blazers will be probably sad end to a promising season. Saw if I'm honest, I'll be watching that. But hopefully, they I guess they're probably gonna play the jazz. And if they win for transfers against the jazz, that'd be cool. And if they can find some three magic to progress from there that'll be I'll be like so excited DaMarcus is very interesting to me, we had, you know, David Thorpe, Puerto big story breaking down what he saw from him a few weeks ago on true hoop and since then he's looked like an absolute profit. We're like, David. There's nothing wrong with DeMarcus and they're going to be killer with him. And now the plus minus numbers are already just like oh looks like that's great. That's as Ethan disagrees. He called Dhamar. Arcus the fourth bus center option on the warriors tonight. I love you. He goes away saying it, right? That'll be fun to watch right there. We just proved it right? Oh for sure. Yeah. Absolutely. James harden? Maybe the best player in the world and baby always disappointing the playoffs. Like, what the hell is gonna happen with that? Like if he that's number one for me. Yeah. We're one for me. Yeah. Maybe they win the west, right? Or maybe they don't will all know why? Right Rawda blaming him. So that's interesting. And then is that step back three gonna go in? I mean board grand lords and that like this shot that he's built the last two years. But just didn't go in for whatever reason. Yeah. In the playoffs. Like is. That is unique that shot. Maybe it's maybe it's bad luck that he just didn't make it before. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. And he's had weird flameouts in the playoffs. Not just like. Oh, yeah. I mean, weird stuff. I what is what is legit MBA mystery mysteries of funk game six against the Spurs in twenty seventeen twenty fifteen when they made that comeback in game six at the clippers. He wasn't even on the floor. I mean, if they've just lost that game in the normal course of how they should have. He would have been excoriated for that. So he was bad at twenty fourteen you know, twenty four percent from three against the warriors last year. So yeah, I mean, I'm really very because he just had such a dominant regular season. And it's still just so difficult to get behind him a for because of those playoff lame. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's fascinating. That's for sure thing. Then had this other had a little bit of a pithy Piff Unie. I don't know. Like, I on TV watching the bucks. I'm like other the bucks, they still feels like the bucks like, you know, whatever that means to you. That's what it means to me. Right. But when I went and watched him in Philly other night in a building where I have been to the NBA finals. Right. The the finals were there in two thousand and one and you get used to like what the, you know, practices here and Kobe's over there, and they're dealing media over here. It's sort of like a vibe to the finals those off days in the finals, and that's happened to there. And suddenly, I might Holzer is tan right now. I don't know why he's a, you know from Milwaukee in winter. But he. He's got a tan, and if the books are warming up, and it's all like, you know powder. Saul was you know, he's been a gazillion finals, etc. Janas is. I honestly think we stop calling the Greek freak that freaked name is about him having a weird body. But he's just you know, he's he's right. He's an incredible player. He's not a freak. He's a genius anyway. So I was Ken these books really be like that team. Can they be like this team has just kind of is this comfortable ambling around the press conferences of the finals? And I could picture it also night could picture it. And and I think they're the favorites to win the east. And then I think the warriors win at all in less. Somebody's injured or whatever. But, but if the warriors aren't at the top of their game, I think the bucks could really win and that'll be I think I'm gonna go with Toronto. Actually, I get I get into really think about it yet. I got but a, and certainly the bucks have been awesome. It wouldn't shock me in the slightest if they went, but I think like their versatility of southbound actually was talking about this with Mico stain on his show last week that they play kind of one way they've got the shooter's the spread. You out on offense in youngest goes to work. And then I defense they dropped the big back. They played very conservatively. They give up a lot of threes. Now, they do have the personnel to do some switching may we'll see some honest. It's under lonzo's been affective ferry small samples this season. But are they they are so good at playing this one way in one of the better regular season teams that NBA history, whereas the raptors they haven't had everyone available their bench has been pretty spotty. But they also just have such an insane level of first Attila eighty a and I I like their options on the honest better than I like the bucks options on co ISO. I think I would go with the Toronto if I had to decide right now. But I mean, that's one of the biggest questions to me is is this book style, which has been a new kind of way of gaming the math in some ways with with the way, they take away the rim and make sure they get defensive rebound because they take away the rim is that going to work in the playoffs or our teams to be able to attack their specific. Weaknesses in that crucible. Yeah. No. I mean, look these are unknowable questions. I think I had this that one of the things that kind of struck me the books had Eric Bledsoe was tossed from the game whereas watching closely and that did figure it out. Right. And it was not pretty for quite some time. But the whole time that it was not pretty it happened to be on that night. Chris Middleton was just like hitting threes. Right. He was it was Chris Milton on that night. Right. But it could have been at least ova right or it could have been Mirta. Sure could have been a, you know, it just goes on and on like pow there's so many Powell who was in a sport coat that night rate. I just felt like oh my gosh. Like DJ Wilson's good. Right. This is the last thing they need. But like, you know, they've another guy. How old he's like twenty two or something? Right. They there's all these bouncy young skilled players throwing themselves over the court who also can hit threes and stuff. It's just hard for me to picture that they're going to have a big playoff scoring drought. Yeah. No. I think. The other end is where I probably have some questions or if the other team gets someone who can actually approximate guarding Yannis one on one. Or if you're maybe you're Toronto, and you can send help on Yarmuth, and you just got the athletes to get out to the shooter's jamming that might be part of the two. So I wanted to ask you about some of the things you've learned like career-wise think that's fascinating. But first of all, what do you do in withdrew? What are the plans for it? All these those who aren't subscribed yet. I got a lot of kind of do a lot of learning on ESPN's dime, which I'm very thankful right about what works in media before. Everything was digital. I put it to you know, one in newspapers magazines, TV radio really knew what of the things they did were successful. Right. They just the newspaper would sell this many copies of stay. And you wouldn't know it was because of the weather or because of where it was placed on the newsstand or because of the story and the headline all the stuff online. We just been learning right? By no genius of my own. I started on online fulltime two thousand five. So I just like got to see what works and have developed a lot of theories about that. And so to me a lot of troops doing is trying to do stuff that we think has an above average chance at huger success. So, you know, big investigation to procure of which is like halfway done. We'll see how that goes starting this. Lebron thing to me, the real coups thing, it makes it fun to go to work as we have this little band of Judy Don, David myself who are exploring these things every day, which is really fun right now. It's a subscription Email newsletter is a primary product, but we're have grand plans to grow from there in the past. We did a lot with short videos. So we'll be doing more of that. And we're on a podcast right now, I'll podcasts and we have some podcast strategy in the works. But it's gonna be a while. But so I think that's where we're headed. And then once you're digital media company people. Like, and and trust, and that has earned a certain reputation and has had some hits than I think you get interesting options. Right. Then you get to consider doing even more. But for now, I think let's just make good content. Right. Let's let's trust from from readers and listeners and subscribers and check back with me and six months and twelve months eighteen months, and we'll we'll see what the implications are where we are by that time. Yeah. What I've been most impressed with both in your career. And obviously starting up just the investigative stuff that you did. I mean, even going back to like, the worldwide westoff who had never heard of at the time. You're the end this program thing, you're they're not a lot of people who are willing to put the time in on some of these questions that kind of everyone seems to know as this unwritten thing, but that nobody actually wants to talk about. So that's a I appreciate that aspect. That's what I've been most impressed by with the site. No, thanks, look. I'm very lucky that I get to do that. Right. Like, I think a lot of journalists dream of having the time. To dig into stuff like that. Like, I went to Putin. Con right. This was a hidden conference of basically Putin experts in protected by like counterterrorism police in a basement in Manhattan, and I got to go to that. And honestly, one of the days of my life. It was fascinating. I learned that day, and I've written a fair amount about it now. But, but you know, part of me is like I get I guess I can allow that part of me is like why am I the only sports writer here? Actually, that's not totally true. There was one other. But but so part of he's a little bit like guys. This is our business. We're supposed to know about ARC's. Right. Like, this is what we do for a living. But another part of me is like I'm so glad I get to be the when it comes here. Like, it's really super. I like a little kid in the candy store that thing. Like, this was fascinating stuff. I learned a lot about money laundering. So so, yeah, I'm I'm super thankful to the people I work with who make it. So that I can do that. Because it's it's a treat to me too. Right. So give me some things that you've learned you mentioning your more conventional media early two thousand us started working online in two thousand five than you. Brought in all these the local writers to form the true hoop network. And then you're managing people a lot for ESPN it in the later years. Now, you started your own site just for people if maybe not even people who are trying to get his sports Baena. But just anyone to careerwise at anything that you wanna share of things that you've learned so that people can try to avoid maize on the the pitfalls that you came across the things or do the things that you felt really successful yet. I think about this a lot. I I am not one of these people who's gonna complain about young people today. Like, I think that by and large people had such a tired. Yeah. I could just kills me. Like like, no, actually young people today are more literate and smarter than like any generation that we've had so far. Absolutely. I mean, and totally brilliant. And if there's. One theme. Unusually generational talk is just horse puck anyway. But like if there was one thing they're anxious, right? This is an age of anxiety is Adam silver was talking about. So how do you cope with that? If you're brilliant and work, really hard, and you want to advance in some way, but you have this kind of things I I think I get that. I understand that. I feel that a couple of things I would say is do stuff and make mistakes. And it's okay. I know that's Oklahoma Silicon Valley thing, but it's for real like have things that you accomplished. No one wants to hear about what you would do if the situation was perfect, right? I just used the wrong tense in that lessons. So you know, you wanna have things that you got completed rate. There's a little bit of the digital media world, which is kind of like, America's got talent. Right. So you just have to put on the show you'd have to do the thing. Right. I mean, you know, this like, you know, you have to be the person who's known for that thing. And it can be anything you choose. But it can't be the person who's interested in doing that. Like, you have to be the person who does that thing day in day out to just do it do your thing and learn as you go the other one is this is going to sound crazy and old managed a little bit. But I have had a ton of interactions with a ton of smart young people who had aspirations, right? And I'm surprised at the amount of time. They don't deliver the thing. And I often think it is because of things I d I think often there's like your big papers, do and you get your stomach tied in knots about, you know, making it perfect until then you turn it in late or not at all. And I as the OC CIO is just did that because I was lazy. Your category. But if you're listening to this for career advice, you're probably not that guy. But I feel like, you know, never I mean, only because it's such a competitive sports. Meet is just ridiculous a competitive. It's stupid thing is don't want this. Like, this isn't the right job to be in. It's terrible time to be a media. But, but if you're determined to do it anyway, like, I the realities of the industry and the pressures and the work environment are such that if your not one hundred percent lock to do the thing you're supposed to do by the time that is supposed to be done somebody else's a better choice for that job. Like, it's just sad. But true. So just just make sure you do it. Right. Turning in earliest, great, you know, but the anxiety that a boss has when you don't know if the work is coming or not when you're managing a bunch of moving things like you just can't put that in the boss, right? They're gonna want somebody who's reliable. Yeah. Yeah. I think what you said about just just doing it resonates with me. I think for a lot of people. It's like, okay. I I if I start this. It's not going to be good like, no, no, no. I am you're afraid of failure. And there's no reason to be afraid of that. Because if you fail you're just right back off where you started again. Anyway. So you might as well give it a shot and yet won't be perfect. But the only way you're going to get better is by just doing it and improving you can't just wait, and wait and wait, and then just never have actually started. I mean that was one of the things that I just had been thinking for a year and a half about how I was going to like start writing about something. And then just one day. I was like forget it. I'm just going to start doing this and things took off a little bit for me. I think the other thing I would say to an is just like general for career the power of especially when you're young like, especially if you're like in college or even grad school of focusing on one thing like that can be very specialized, but that you are really into that may be other people aren't and so maybe because you have shown the interest in that thing early on and start. Becoming an expert on it that proves to people who are in that field were, you know, a lot of people just kinda fall backwards into whatever they're doing if you can actually find something that you really want to focus on. I think that could be really powerful as well. And then the other thing I'd say too is that just getting really good at something. It may not be the number one thing that you felt like you wanted to do in your life. But if you can get really good at something like knowing that you are really good. And that you are adding value in a way that other people can't like that. I think breeds enjoyment of whatever field you're in. Ultimately, I represent cosign every single thing. He just said I and and and let your freak flag fly, right? I'm a great crisis of sports media is people try to make it sound like sports media, right? Everybody's the amateur. Charles Barkley, our Jalen, rose, or whatever it is. Right. It will be way better for all of us. If we just let that go right show us what the future of sports media should. He like, it'll probably be a Jesus up soon. Right. How fun is it to listen to that guy? Right. Thank the heavens. He's not trying or chaser on. All right. They're not trying to be anyone. Right. They're they're showing us how to do a new and different kind of thing, that's smarter and more fun than what came before. Thank goodness for that. Right. Don't copy then either. Right. Just go do your thing. Right. Like, go be the best at you. There's a based on a lot of these books. I've read in the attic like the thing. I would put on the wall. If I would add a third sign is be the best. They're getting better right to your point. Exactly. Just just your your seven out of one hundred today being eight tomorrow and a hundred and fifty next week. Right. Just keep going to be the best to getting better. You can't lose. Yeah. Well, hopefully, we didn't like encourage someone to go be like the Jason Concepcion of tax law with the. I mean, I'm not totally an apologize for that. Could be awesome. That's what the take the takeaways here. There's one thing that needs as as the Concepcion its tax law. Right. That's for sure. Yup. So before I let you go, by the way, I owe you thank you. I mentioned my nascent blog back in twenty tall the team rebound, and the third post that I ever wrote was a response to a study that you had done on showing that teams with players who play certain number of minutes are unlikely to win the championship ayso. Just don't win. The I can't remember what the number was. I'm sure it was some three thousand if that it'd been like ten years since the team since starve a team played more than three thousand minutes and won the championship that year. Okay. Yeah. So I mean, I think the league leaders can be twenty six hundred minutes this year, by the way. So so certainly the idea that players were playing twenty minutes in the regular season was a quite ahead of its time back in twenty twelve. But so I actually responded to that. And you know, I had some no at all studied that idea. I remember actually stayed up all night writing it. It was like a Tuesday night or something I had to go to work the next day. I saw this. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna look into this. And I was I was told about it. Like, I I didn't I thought that like your premise was flawed because I felt there was selection bias, and that you know, teams that need players to play more minutes in the regular season in that they just weren't that good. And that's why they weren't winning the championship as opposed to the guy playing. So I did the study of how did those stars actually play in the playoffs? And I tweeted it back you it probably five AM Pacific time, either east coast and how many hours at that point. Yeah. It'd be probably like seven or eight awesome. Like like your article came out that night, then I stayed up all night run. And but I do just from reading and just from like, the general you does that you project it we'd never had any interaction before like you'd actually be open to this criticism of your idea. And like, so I thank you for that for and then you actually linked to my my thing in your bullets, which got me like six hundred page views, which is completely. Static about a at the time. And but like knowing that you were actually willing to like read something that I had written which was essentially saying that I thought you were wrong, and then linked to it like that was like that was awesome. And then, you know, I actually had a reason to talk to at Sloan and like you always started to build some relationships from going there and stuff. But so just say, thanks for being open to some idiot who'd written three posts on, you know, when you've written more than anyone ever had on the internet about basketball critiquing your work, especially when I'm sure I was quite quite gr- gruff about it. I guess I should say that's not the right word. But how they nothing compared to Tom Harris shows I posted on my work. Somewhere out there. You can find it. But no man, no for real. I love that story. And I'm so glad that I wasn't rude to you. Because it's also one of the skills. I have. But but what I hear you saying is that you totally earned it. Right. Like there is no monopoly on smart by working at ESPN forever. Like, I think that the. That's what I think. I just said, actually, but, but you know, you put in your smart guy and you put in a ton of time. And of course, we want that. Of course, they want to hear from that. Right. Like, of course, I want sports conversation to be like that. And not, you know, Johnson sued or whatever the non thinking, non doing your homework approach would be my wife has this thing. She told someone the other day. This is a somebody was trying to impress me by taking me to a black tie event with a bunch of celebrities. And I didn't realize what was happening until later. But when I came home, she was like, oh, that's so stupid. Like the way to your heart is not like flash, right? It's just to like show up and do the work. Right. That's what I love. And I do I feel like almost like a like a teenager with a crush. If someone's like, oh my God. He did all the work. Let's beautiful. Thank you, the book doing the work like like you earned it. Right. You earned a place in that conversation, which has nothing to do with me. Right. I posted once a month reliably. You were a lawyer fulltime, right? Yeah. Yeah. So more than a lawyer probably we'll for both for what you've done for my career in everyone else's here that you've watched and don't forget true hoop dot com to subscribe and get maybe the best investigative stuff out there when it comes to basketball journalism. So I appreciate you taking the time Eric oh Nate, thanks so much for having me. And it's great to be here.

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The Billy Baron Episode Featuring Billy Baron

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The Billy Baron Episode Featuring Billy Baron

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Trying to think what what's happened in the world. Literal depots leg selloff off that wasn't good. Yeah. Now he's down to one knee. My my everything I've looked up says you need to. Shaun Livingston's things do function took them awhile. But he got there a long time L A D like one of those injuries to where like when it got announced ruins that could be day that could be the rest of his career. Not that will look like the rest of the year medium. What is this? Basketball. References ads now done though. Day. I know it looked bad. But when they announced like what like when Shams tweeted what it was. It was just like I never heard of this one before I was ruptured something anytime, I see ruptured I'm like that's the year eruptions. Not a great word. You wanna hear? That stinks. I don't like it. That's my they're gonna make the playoffs. But I do not like figured impossible miss the playoffs at this point. I'll bet that. The Heaton like nine thirty the first half and like thirty nine it can happen. Yes. Knows thinks. They would have to go. I think I think it's nine and twenty six to finish five hundred in right now the seventh day, cedar below five hundred. So I think they'll be fine. Yes. Not even the seventh and eighth aid truly need to worry about. It's like the nine ten eleven like Orlando's the they eleven they're twenty and twenty eight I don't see them getting to five hundred. I honestly, I think they might slide in right behind the net. Like, they're seven four without depot. Okay. I don't know if that holds up, but if they play five hundred ball like cruised the damn near fifty win, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I mean aren't gonna do anything in the playoffs. I think everyone agrees. But that's multiple people that like should just like try to miss the playoffs like fifty games in this little late for that. Yet can like what what's the the like eighteen picking of fourteen gonna get you? Like, I'd rather TJ for, yuck. Like, they're small markets measuring like to sold out home playoff games as probably a big deal for them. So they just get swept as I couple million Froggatt, right? Yeah. It's just fucking unfortunate. It helps it helps you guys and my. Devas minimum. Sentiment. Yeah. I would I still would prefer to play Philly in the first round. Appear. So missing them. I don't know won't play them. If we were the four like if we spoil slide up on we'd be the four. Les wise? Brightening your plan to walkie second round. They play the raptors. Yeah. Because I don't hate that. I can't imagine Philly would either. No it beginning around. Do the Philly could beat Toronto. Now. I don't see. Okay. Milwaukee may be but I'll see Toronto. Okay. I don't know. All right. You got I know. Up. Billy what's going on guys. Not a whole lot. We talk about this holiday news that fucking sucks. Yeah. That's terrible. I watched the replay. Honestly, do really make any sense 'cause I saw the replay. And it just looked like his knee gave out. I don't know with a guy that they can have strong like that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Yeah. No. It's it was one of those like freak contact or anything like just tried to jump in his leg disagreed, right? Like, yeah. If you look at it if you watch his face like he looks fused takes cleave off the knee. And then you see him like point to the trainers. Oh, wow. And like now all of a sudden he's in pain. But like it was like really confused, right? Announce it was like, you can see the Nikkei ahead like shifted or you could see something had shifted where it should not have been. Now what you want? That's what I would argue now. Yeah. Now, we want. Now, we want to say. So it's going on with Yemen where where in the world are you right now. Right now, I'm in. I'm in Belgrade Serbia. He has no. I mean, I'm sure ninety nine point eight percent of Americans can't point on that. But yeah, I'm dog. Listen, we're both too. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You guys been there? Right. All longtime bucked. I'm I often stop. Yeah. For sure that's I soon that let sounds near Russia. Kinda sorta not real. I mean, it's kinda like right in the middle for like is right over like the sea from us. So it's kinda like if you look at Italy like Spain Italy, then basically run into Croatia Serbia, we're like basically on the eastern side. Okay. Definitely would not have Italy. Wouldn't have come to mind. Yeah. I I know Bill grade the capitol. Yeah. Yup. Okay. So it's it's a reasonably big city like some stuff to do their imagine. Yeah. No. There is a couple million people here, speak English. I mean, it's not like I'm like February or anything like that. What I was like running of Siberia pleasant. No, I go to restaurants. I have no problem ordering my food. And you know, I don't have to really be really really slow like I've been in Turkey Finland central Turkey, or it's like I'm doing my language in only catcher signal nominated third on my third base coach like trying to one of my food. But now over here that I I got no real issues. So of course, we're talking with Billy baron longtime. Anyone who's involving bottle for a long time? Probably knows the name longtime circle of trust guy and not a big circle. So what I very very tight circle, very important circle. Why how like where just I guess explained? People your journey through basketball starting and Massachusetts and New England and ending up not ending up. But currently in Serbia. So I grew up I grew up mode island went to I went to Hendrickson and within for four years in. I wasn't like a highly touted like prospect coming out of there. I had two offers like Davidson, and then like Stanford came and laid rockers, but like I wasn't really really highly touted prospect, then my brother ended up going to prep school. He's five years Ademi and he's over here playing as well. So he kinda likes Pat for me. And so he went to school and it did wonders for him. So I did the same thing. So I went from Henderson Worcester academy. But a year, they're kinda got notoriety. But I always wanted to go play for my dad. My dad coached I Rhode Island coach my brother Rhode Island. So I always had this dream as a kid 'cause I watched like everything one of my brothers games. And he was like the best player wanna the main players. They're all year. So I wanted to go you are is I was turning on schools prep school in principle for a while. And then all of a sudden Virginia came through the last second not really like the last like during the season and Tony Bennett, flew up to one of my games. My coaches telling me how good of a situation wise and some kind of being persuaded to go there. So I ended up going Virginia. But it wasn't really by my choice. I you know, I liked all the coaches everything was great. But I really wanna play for my dad, but it was people kinda mice urkel that were telling me, you know, he's probably go elsewhere born in Virginia. So I was there for half the year. And I guess like I just wanted to go back home and play from my dad. It was one of my, you know, my cow dreams. And so I want I want to do that had sit out a year because of NCAA rules. So my first game about half way through my sophomore year. More like one eleven we have lost everyone the year before so fishing year like seven wins the day. I can't. So my dad my dad gets fired. And then my wow, really like. So basically, my arm not I like Dan Hurley came in. I mean him like a great relationship. We have great talk then being so 'cause he was a coach of a the son of a coach. So we grade talk. There. And ultimately like, I just couldn't I just couldn't do. I couldn't stay there. So I ended up going to play for my dad can eases in buffalo playing there for two years. Honesty, ended up working at a bed had a good senior year ended up having like fifteen pre draft workout. So I kinda gave myself legitimate shot and as far as the came from Caen where you know able to like score twenty four game. So it kinda helped me out because if I kinda stay in that that Tony Bennett's often offense probably would have been looted because you know, I mean works for him. Right. You know, the pack my defense they wanna score, you know, fifty one behold the team to sixty. So I kinda got to go somewhere and get my shots up and kinda show what I can do. So. Yeah. Then after Kennedy, I went to worry Neha from Lithuania with Belgium from Spain for Spain and went through Turkey from Turkey here. I am in Belgrade Serbia leaving before that you were getting a little bit of like G league tryouts and stuff like that too. Right. So. Yeah. College had those preacher f- workout actually thought. I had it. She it. I think I thought my best chance was she doesn't play with cog for forty eight. And that was play with San Antonio for fifty and sixty didn't end up working out and then training camp offer with Cleveland to go to training camp with them. But I had a good offering with Waniek from like a really really good team. And I only knew they were really really good team. And it was a good situation because my brothers played against them. So I was like why be in their first rookie ever signed. Okay. So thinking what like I know like financial I knew I lurk. My brother what you can do over here in Europe. So you know, what let's not be. Let's make this decision to go to the Lania as crazy as it. Sounds pick the team win over the Cleveland Cavaliers for training camp and preseason. So ended up doing that. And yeah, I'm being I'm still I'm still over here. It was at what year was that. With the Cleveland was LeBron there had he came back yet year LeBron's there so fourteen fifteen I wanna say, yeah. It was the first year limit on archery of it. Okay. Not you made the right? Lebron Tores -ly very good with young guys just coming into league. So there's a lot of facial debts thing a lot of. Yeah. No, I feel like like ten fifteen years ago. People used to look at Europe as as either not viable or not like like like like as a failure. But when reality like, you're getting checks to play professional basketball overseas. Like that. That's cool as hell. Like, I it's it was like a win. Yeah. Big win. It is cool. Here's the thing with the general population that if you don't make NBA you're not relevant to the basketball world anymore. Like, I think to be astonished to see some of the names that are over here that you recognize him college. I mean, there's player years from conferences coming on over here. Because people don't realize there's only fifty picks every single year in the NBA all sixty picks playing a game. And and it's also a global game. So San Antonio pick guys up from Europe that I don't I don't even know who they are. I'm not sure who they are. I'm not sure if they've made it across the pond to come play for them. But that's just what happened. So you'll see guys over here like this next week coming up or a couple of days. I gotta play against the guy and Jacob Pullen. I mean, everyone remember a phone. And it's like, but people still can't. Like, I'm I'm back home. If he were asking I'm just gonna conversation with with some random guy in a bar. And what you do. I said, yeah, I played bass overseas and one guy that your hobby. I hobby provide for my family weekend. We'll their barley he thinks that his bar league. Team can beat my team over here. Just have no idea. If you don't if you don't make the NBA the guys spaced in the monsters speaking took your talents, and you're just terrible. You know, I would like to set up that guys like rec league team versus like a pro team, which I guess makes us the seven. Yeah. Which I guess leads me into a question, I hadn't even considered. But when when lavar brought his kids over there was that like insulting. Yes. Partly in partly. He brought brought it to a team when the lower teams the way India who really had nothing better. But to get exposure for themselves, which they did honestly, it was probably a good business decision further. But people think that like like lavar ball's kid of here. Let those kids immediately can compete with the top teams in Europe. Like, no, there's levels over here at Europe in the top level team in Europe compared to that team is I mean, it's not even like the difference between getting in freshman team of a high school. It's it's Marty junior high, right? It's gotta be like even then 'cause lamelo was what like fifteen. Those guys are grown me, just physically alone. Yeah. Guys over here. This is like you're providing if your family Lear, so it's like you step on the core. Also, like, they don't have tolerance for stuff if you mess up over here like you're coming out of the game. And then if you come out of the game, you might not get back in that can end up in new being cut like you can t country at any point over here. So you gotta bring it every single day. And you're not just bring it for yourself. But you're like all these guys. This is what they do is they, you know, food on the table at the end of the day. I can't stop thinking about Jacob Pullen now. Because I I was I thought that was just James harden before James, I was even James harden. He was. I'm serious. I bet he is. Oh, yeah. See so where and zero or is he got a different number yet. Yeah. He's got. Yeah. He's there the west. Any other week played it I had to play against north coal. Okay. I don't know if you remember an from the final champion hours. I mean, he's over here. So it's not I'm not playing against you know, Joe schmo from O'Brien's Irish pub down the street. Oh, yeah. No. I mean isn't Anthony Randolph spent killing over there hasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He plays for Real Madrid. Yeah. Becky kills everywhere. But the NBA. There was like I mean there are other guys like Joe Greene. Like, he washed out of the NBA went back over there, and like found himself as on Whiteside like found himself and gone J Tucker. Yeah. Got those opportunities to come back. So it's yet for people who still turn their nose up at at Euroleague just goes not on TV here. All the time. I mean, people even even us to an extent where like holding it somewhat against Luca Danni when he was coming in just because it wasn't like college ball. So I guess what's what's the biggest difference between Euroleague ball and high high level d one NCAA basketball physicality like hundred percent down lane so was cracking with and you'll look at the ref and they're gonna look at you like what do you want stuff like that like hinder so much more prepared? It's kinda like never played football. But the way it sounds like NFL teams prepare for each other's only how we prepare for another team. But when when a when a coach plate, you know, exactly. What to do? And there's a specific coverage for that play to limit what they're doing. So I played against Donald two years ago in the stuff. He was doing. I'm like if he's doing that. I guess and you're comparing him to college players, it's not even close. I'm close friends with agent was now healthy we played them two years ago. I texted voice after the game. The number one pick is over here whenever he comes out this kid's number one pick. I honestly said that and and he's proved it, but there's a lot of guys there's a lot of guys over here that I believe could make a salad impact on the team. This thing is what where they find. The problem is finance a lot of guys over here can make you can make up the seven figures that tax free. They pay your taxes pay your house, if your car the picture insurance the only expense. You have is food. But a lot of the guys only have between the have like I had a couple of years ago was a two way contract with the hawks. But that comes financially that just doesn't work out as well as over here. Believe it or not. So for those guys who wanna hang on. And be like I wanna make the league. That's great now financially. There's you know, Europe's actually a better option. Do you think Lucas immediate success? You think that will give viability to PB think we will have more is honoured or trusted guys over that can come over and having a media imbed or you thinking of Victor anyway for sure, but I mean Lukic Alec swagger bottom Ingusci, this guy won the MVP? Oh here. He wanted. You're only title. So the swagger he was coming with from Europe to the states was like on that. Honestly, like he's the stuff he was doing and never really been done before. But also like I'm getting treatment the other day, and we have a couple of young kids team, and they're potentially going to get drafted. And they're watching Luca Danni video to watching highlights. And so what your tie like they're thinking won't. Well, I can do that too. Because I'm in a situation somewhat. Wow. Like, I think you're gonna start seeing more of them. Because now the Lucas doing he's he's kind of breaking a barrier. Not to say that didn't do it or yoga do it Maluku. These kids can more like compare themselves to and he's only nineteen. Babyfaced and all this in and he's because all started his first year. And now these kids are looking at him like, okay, I can do that. Or I'm gonna try and do it even better. 'cause even with Dirk like everyone looked at him. Like, yeah. I would love to do that. I'm not seven foot tall. So we had that exact barrier to get past in Dodge's six seven six eight. Because right, but at least plays like a guard. So it's definitely more translatable to someone else. Who's trying to come in the league as guard stuff like that? Yup. For struck like dirt was first couple years on the bench of like guys normally come over takes a couple years in dodger pretty much hit the ground running like, he's also younger than them. So. I mean, he's having what the best rookie year since like LeBron the same numbers was what the assistant every I made. Let's not just over longtime. Let's not overlook tyreek hill not tyreek hill. Fucking terry. Evans almost saying let's overlook Terry. Let's look. Tyreek Evans was a twenty five and five guy too. I feel like just because he hasn't over sustain that like his rookie year was incredible. Wasn't. He did it for the kings. Which means every like thirty seven. But yeah. So when when this draft hat when this draft came up now, you said that towards two years ago when this draft came up, none of none of you was like, a Aden's and can shoot he can pass Andy seven foot or were you still just all Don-Shik? I'll be Don t to mean to see like like eight and like they got blown out university of buffalo. Why I'm Donald for ninety over here. Winning the north buffalo buffalo great team, but donkeys over here lean team to a yearly title, you know, Fenerbahce from Istanbul. Who's got pros on the team the right? I mean in what the kid did over here. I'm like, how can you not okay? The kid's not gonna blow you out of the water with combine number. He's vertical and his lateral movement stuff like that. But the kids gamer, I mean, that's priceless. He is in it. I think that's like something another thing. Like a lot of the the European players. Get get tagged with is that they're they're not as aggressive. They're not as physical and and watch. And is it. Yes off softly word. Exactly the word. I was looking for that dodge seems to like have his most fun when he's on the court when he's completely embarrassing the other team. For sure for sure stuff like he was he found himself in the situation with Real Madrid. And one of their best players actually got hurt. So he was actually a lot more. And so he ended up winning the MVP award and all that stuff like that just gave them this level confidence that he came over to America. And even guys there I remember hearing like the guys in the draft class where even saying like who is this guy like, you know, they were suspect of them. But like he came over with all this conference, and I don't blame them. I mean, the win like MVP over here and win the title like shit anyone having have confident. So he just kind of carried it over with them. I think Dallas is a great situation for him as well. They're like, yeah. I mean are potential playoff team. I know they're like couple of games out of the playoff race. But I mean, that's a legit team over there. And they're I mean, they're kind of catering towards his style. Yeah. Dallas I feel there's something to assets we're talking about like regular people playing professional athletes. I've been asking for years. I put a poll out to Twitter if they thought they could score a basket on Harrison Barnes in five minutes in sixty percent of people said yes would present. Would you put that number at? The normal person. Like guy off the Joe snow off the street. He's got five minutes to score bucket on Harrison Harrison Barnes is also trying. Like, go below zero. If I can put on. Listen, I'm with you. I agree. But people like, oh, yeah. I played a played some JV ball. I'd give them a pump fake news. Yeah. I'll take him to the post. I mean, there's always people those stories like coach screwed them up or you know, some problem happened. And this is why they didn't make it to the NBA. Everyone got that story. I've got seven ready to go at all times. Same. What what's sent you are actually a coach's son, which of all of the the things we say about coach's son like gym rat. I and I out high Q which of os du find most applicable to your your game, and your how you came up. Do you have your launch bell with you right now? Meeting tape right now, just eating elm drawl. All right. You know, the first one I one out. But I mean, you do me are are you really got like BUSTER at. I mean, you like you really do. But here's the thing. With like coach's son is like everyone thinks that like when you go into practice like or even like I had roommates. And they're on my team. Everyone kinda seem that they're like they're walking broken glass as far as talking about. My dad in front of me. Like, listen, like, I'll be the first one. Like if you have a problem all agree with that. So that's the that's the thing is like you wanna get rid of like, I'm not I'm not just like coaches, I'm a player too. So I guess that's one of the things that's like that. That's tough the coach's son. But like you also gotta like work. And then you also gotta have balls, man. I mean, you know, that like those stereotypes come in your way, and people are gonna think like you're just planning because you'd dad you gotta like it, nor those I gotta have. Balls. The take like the big shot take responsibility things don't work out. He's gonna say yet my fall. I messed up stuff like little things like that. Go a long way. So is it harder to earn your own two mates respect or for the other the other team like not cover you sometimes because I like is just is these only out there because it was dead. I mean when I got uses it was a little bit. Yeah. It was a little bit different. I was thinking like high school AAU type stuff highschool. A you. I mean, no, not really I mean around the competition, whether it really that tough to be on. Roll roll down. I mean, we won championships every single year. Comes station. I mean, big up yourself a little bit more. Yeah. It was it was hell every well. Rhode Island Rhode Island's if you'll big east, you know, every game people were leaving on stretchers. I'm glad at work there for you play for my dad for one year, and it was all Greek leg. Yeah. There's terrorists to for. Sure. Like there are a lot of challenges. I I mean, you can't I can't really like if I'm talking to a coach on he's going to go play caused protect there's some things that I can tell you. But there's other things that you just gotta go through yourself in here. It out yourself and learn how to deal with those problems as they occur because my words only mean so much, but they're not going to help you get through like what you're going to go through. So our our mutual close personal friend Joe Harris's trying to get into three point contest this year. A should he be should do you think he would win it and see should he just forget it all and just continue enjoying cashing checks? I think he go for it. I mean, why not I I mean every time I don't see a lot of their games because I'm six hours head over Alec in the box scores. And like it seems like every game is like three four five four four four six like his numbers ridiculous right now. So I yeah. I mean, why not it's kinda like a book list type thing. So sure go for it. And I think he could I definitely think when it I mean does careless type guy got like a laidback mindset in those like that in those type of things those type of scenarios like they're really really helps. The only problem I will say like a joke shooter. I'm kinda jump shooter as well. And I've done three point content, and it doesn't really like translate to three point contest is being a jump shooter. 'cause kinda like how you have to grab the ball Iraq that like all the time. I kinda can throw you off. But I mean, man, I mean, we get taught I'm not gonna bet against. I'm shocked like no one's ever asked for the option to just have someone give him like a quick chess pass rather take the ball off the road bounce belly would've. However, you like, you're you're not. I I mean, that'd be test pack that grabbing the ball. Iraq would be absolutely. He was I don't know why they don't do that. Yeah. No. I think that would be and then get if you got like a shitty pass like it would be very funny to watch like Steph curry try and beat up Draymond green. Forgive him shit past. Now, you gotta make a step. Make the person's parents passing the boss. They can't get mad. Homerun derby. Gotta have Dale out there. You gotta Billy's pops out here. Feeding him the ball. So you don't you don't get to watch really any NBA right now. Even like, even the Celtics out nothing like that. No. I some of it. I mean, if I got like morning practice day, I'm using watching it. But like, yeah. I mean, I'll say the debate Celtic game. I mean, I'm a big time Celtic fans that big time south they game or like even after one of my own games where I can't really leave like last night. Like, I'll watch the game. Sure. But some like I mean usually happen until we here I'm not saying because I got morning practice, but I try I mean, I catch all the highlights. I'll watch reruns like the next morning, so yeah. But being six hours ahead is greatest. No. That sounds tough. And I assume like like you'd be watching the Super Bowl four also listen how come I watched every Dow's? Games. I mean that I mean like I'm looking forward to that over here like more than anything because there's not many things where you can really feel like American over here. Right. The Super Bowl is one of the things. I'm watching it. I feel like I'm Mike Bacchanals. Well, also like after Tippett's game are like twelve forty five fear, the super bowl's like three in the morning that doesn't start to like nine. Yeah. I know you know, what? I mean they've been in like last couple years. So it's like you're used. My responsibility. I gotta do if the boys right? Morning. Did you say does anybody care over here? Like the Super Bowl is so worldwide. But does anybody like anybody up watching it with you? Yeah. I know I mean that really like my wife will be that's really it. But like Oslo in the next day like the the other day. In. I'm looking around the locker room. I got no one talked to anyone the game. Let anyone see Brady was doing third-down and literally like everyone dumbfounded co his his so frustrated. Yeah. That I I don't know how I'd be able to deal with that. Because obviously I come into the office where it's it's like half patriot fan. So we all are talking about it. I would like walk in a locker room be like did you did you happen to catch that football game? They like soccer when you talking about. Exactly, exactly. That's there was a note. I is this true Devlin wrote down that you play in the empty arena from bomb threat. So is this true? Glad yearly. Glac here. We're playing the game in a couple like at like the fire the fans like we'd off a couple of 'em. So the wrestling stop the game like five minutes. Right. They did it like twice the third time. They did it and there's like these. Wow. Like, it's like really really loud. I made these like I mean, it's like a big bang, right? Thurston the refugees? Are we've had it. They walk off the court. I'm looking around like what what in the world's going on this smoke in the air. There's flares going on. So we had to go on locker room. They clear out the gym you come back out and you play 'em ticket. And it's like is this like thinking this real life? But that happened a lot like we'll like last year, Turkey and half the time our fan show up and arrivals with the team were playing against but Fangio up just to fight the other the other. On the other. I'm listening watching our game. And you have a barricade like cops looking like, they're like ready like NAMI apocalypse with like he'll that everything like all like Foley like head to toe just like ready to go, and they're trying to keep these guys away from because while our game is going on this terrorist plying across the other fan, and you're looking there, but our game is like no one stopping our game. It's just like. Unbelievable. Yeah. Let him play. No harm. No foul. Yeah. No blood. No foul. Right. I feel like twice a year like highlights go viral of just like European fans of basketball games. And there's just like fire in the stands. That that was what one of our games like this year like the happens over here where I'm at now is there like you're just entailing while you're in the game. Like, you're huffing puffing. You're just in Hanley smoke. Like, wow. This is just like not good right now. That's what this can't be healthy. That's what's best for your lungs that exact when I when I went to the go to the Red Auerbach camper. Now. Now, I never went. I went twice and one of the is red came and he just sat at Brandeis like which has that huge gym. And he would just sat in it had central air. So he would just sit in puff cigars all day. And it would just be lungs for the entirety of. It was like what you can't tell them anything fucking our bags. There's nothing you can do. Exact Russell played through. Joe white complain digit. No get out that. It's so true. But what are you? What are you? See I know you haven't been able to watch every game. But what do you see in this Celtics team? Can they still win the east in your opinion? What it looks like they've turned the corner of said that about four times this year this actually think it's sticking, but what are your thoughts on on the squad right now? One day. It's like they look good the next day. It's like, oh, look good. It's like what are they prepare for come like a seven game series like Milwaukee or like Philly? It's like, I think they got. I mean, I think the toughest test like Milwaukee. But then some people will talk about was last is less more. You know what I mean? Like, let's play with less players. They feel like they gotta do more. So naturally, you'll feel confident out there on the court because you don't have a backup coming right in after you, and then he can play just as good of you. So it's like not having Accu open up your gaming more the basketball player. Just make you feel like you're more on rhythm. You can just do more out there you the whole comfort feeling big. So the death is good. But the depth can also be bad at times. You don't know how to use it. I mean, the talent is the toughest test four Golden State. Yeah. I mean, I tell you the truth. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what team has been the situation at Boston with the amount of depth the Monaci they have 'cause last. Hear them going like Eastern Conference finals is like I mean, they kinda will go with that nothing to lose my set right now all of a sudden a couple of months later like all right? You're expecting to get to the final. That's a completely different thing. So I don't know. I mean, it's tough. It is tough. Yeah. I don't know. It it also. 'cause I hear that about like d one players all the time. It's like if you miss a shot coach is gonna put you on the bench because another guy who can do that ready to go. And it doesn't seem like the healthiest way to have a team. And I think they're Stevens is starting to figure that out with the rotations and everything. But yeah, I don't I don't wanna just trade trade a guy just to trade a guy. You know what? I mean, they all about for that, exactly. Like wake last year like Tatum Brown, all these Rosiere? They're all force. I mean, there was no other option but for them to step off. Right. So when have the skills, obviously to do it? But when you know that like your leaned upon by the team, you're dependent on that much. I mean, your your natural performance has a battle with that skill is gonna go up and with that comfort level. I mean, the sky's the limit with cover these guys like Jayson Tatum. So talented, and he he didn't have Gordon Hayward coming inform and potentially. You know, haven't don't thirty point games that would take away from Tatum. So tell you them back sometimes less is more tied him. Specifically pisses me off. I saw a stat today that I had to take a walk outside after he shouldn't thirty seven and a half percent from three and thirty seven percent on long twos. And I just infuriates me that he continues to fucking take those makes me so angry Koby long walk outside for that one. I had to it is Kobe's fall two thousand percent Kobi's folly such an dickhead Jason Tatum. When you doing listen to this easily Kobe this word ruining ever young guys. Got Frankie smokes. He had Luca in the room. I'm worried I'm really concerned listen quickly. After that. I saw two other stats that I appreciated Jalen over his last time shooting forty percent from three which makes me more believe that he did have a fucked up hand and nothing else, and that's finally healed. So he's he's back on on his bullshit and sense. Maga smarts been inserted into the starting lineup. The celtics. Of the best net rating in basketball by like a whole point over Milwaukee. So our the best team the league is long's. Markets might starts tied to say. But lately like with kyri if you look back in the final that they won't with Cleveland, and you watch what he was doing and game five in game seven Golden State. I mean that is just ridiculous. Like, I'll rewatch it sometime before my own game just to get. I mean, the stuff that he was doing with absolutely insane. So if you get like me and my American team over here, we always talk about if you get car- read to the finals. I mean, he might turn into some guy. He could be the best player on the court. And literally carry these guys like you of carry Cleveland to a championship because without kyri. I don't think they're anywhere close to win the championship. I mean, literally like if you gotta watch eight five and game seven stuff. He was doing over good defenders. I mean, it was it was it was insane. So if you can just get this into the finals, I'm telling you, you never know because he does have that Koby mentality and. That's the problem. I good thing or the problem. Right. Yeah. No definitely those moments, but an kyri the Celtics three and three they're the only team with. No, I'm saying against Golden State of last three years the only team in the league that's five hundred last four years. I guess the Spurs for years ago put a beat down on on goal be of J crowded and given the given the playbill loop tough that was tough, but kyri, especially when it's in Golden State seems to hit a different level in his own brain. I don't know what unlocks he does very much enjoy playing against them. And as as I think he's been massive with stats though. Just like gotta be love going against that. Yeah. Yeah. Now Steph before it was tough enough when he added Kevin Kevin Durant as a friend. Now, he also has boogie cousins who looks as fry he's ever looked. So I I as much as I would love to sell myself. I guess kyri could just go crazy. And if Steph like slides and hyper his knee again, maybe. Yeah. Maybe we wanted home. You never know. Yeah. It does seem like kind kinda like over this year with the way like this come in and done this thing. Yeah. I say man, I'm a big NBA fan. Like, I love NBA playoff in the final. But yeah, it seems like a foregone conclusion at this year's kinda over does this spoil it for you any like are you like it's ruined. Why bother because I feel like it's been a great regular season. I've enjoyed it. Guardless of that. Yeah. Yeah. Have you put like I don't know man like a couple years ago when okay soon going against gold. Stay in. Katie was still an okay see like that Siri to me with just as good as the final when seven games don't they came down from three one. Like that to me would I had more fun watching that carries than the finals. So does he Katie kind of go into gold? Stay away from o'casey being a power the way they were trying to took away. One more team. One more step one more hurdle for gold state to get over. So I mean that kind of I don't know that kind of ruined it a little bit for me. Well, right when right when okay so you got a little bit. Whereas right now. They look pretty good. But right when they got a little bit worse, Houston at least rose and tried their best last year. I guess they gave it the eighth had it. It just seemed like they came out like they went to halftime like they detail wall. Like that was they came on the second half couldn't hit a shot. Like literally like, everything that I had. That was a turned into like, they should probably by a basket to maybe the funniest display of an aptitude I've ever seen on an NBA court. Yeah. I mean when you John Rubin. The joss myth game. I'll man well, the Jocelyn it was funny because of how much I despise Doc Rivers now. But I couldn't even laugh because of how big of a Josh Smith fan. I am. I was just so in the moment that it was it gets funnier with time in the moment. I was laughing at Houston last year. You remember the bit was two three years ago must have been three when Josh not stop eating threes. We will against six or seven it was against the clippers when the clippers three one people don't like to talk about it. They're up three one in that series in Josh myth is drag them back from the depths. Carry James harden to the to the next round in hurt didn't play or some like they were done on this deep a two or three games in this series. They got up three one with Austin rivers. Starting Paul came back. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because I would have been the first time he made the third round. I'm pretty sure. He didn't. I think I had like five hundred euros with one of my teammates on that series. I used and I was like damn I was the money when they went up three one while thing didn't joss method drink because he went off. Man, have you ever considered China or do you like just how the Europe league set up better? I mean, I would consider China. There's only so many guys like they go over there. So trying to dislike turn is tough to get to almost the. It'd be a is really different story. Like, I mean, some of the guys that old like you have Marbury over that. They they want big time names over there guys will probably play in the NBA before his kind of like you're gonna look at these numbers in China. It's just a show putting up fifty sixty points night. And these people just wanna be they wanna show where you're completely different thing. Okay. So I mean, China if China came I do it for sure but over eighty points like jimmer yet you just pull up like he was like jimmer playing like he did at BYU people over there. Absolutely. Love them guys making like million a year over six months so hats off to. Yeah. No, it's tough to when you look at the checks in. It's just like, hey, man. Get to shoot seventy times a game. Like, I hard to be upset about that. Yeah. I mean, that's yeah. I'm expected to get my forty fifty. It's I mean, that's got to be a lot. If I gotta take thirty five shots at night. So be team player L day. Okay. Skip no problem. Coach. Have you seen much of what James harden is doing this year? Yeah. I watched that game last night. Then that is ridiculous. I mean, the guy comes down every single time just goes one on one like the other four the guy team will literally watch him in not touch the ball for like four straight possession. See that's the crazy. Well, you say it seems like they seem like they don't seem cranky like they're happy when he's got sixty points, and twelve assists. Like, it's like, yeah, we're we're still involved. But when he keeps shooting emissions like three or four times in straight possessions. Like, no one to put their hands up Moen's going crazy. That's major thing to me is I'm watching these guys. I cannot imagine being in the shoes. Trying to keep rhythm during the basketball game. When this guy literally poisoned thirty five forty shot the game. And they're like they're all like one on one. Right. The no one get any no one like fade them 'cause like little things like that. Can get your rhythm going. If you're getting the sits in the box for like, you said someone else up we'll things going. But like when you're standing there watching like everyone else in the arena. I mean, it really is tough to keep the rhythm. But I mean, they're kinda they're winning right now. So I don't know. I can't translate into the playoffs you so last night, the the rockets players not named James Haydn had I think it was fifty two points on fifty five shots that specifically because of the rhythm or. Because they got fifty five shot right up to thirty five last night. Jesus. Only only thirty right? Yeah. No. I mean, it's funny to say, but ver- light thirty five. I mean. I was against it was against the Knicks. Right. Yeah. I like to see him doing the warriors or something like that. I'm sure he'll try. He might. Let's see what the final score is. I'm sure it won't be favorable for Houston. Now, he'll get his numbers. You'll have a sixty one in twelve and lose by seventeen. So like from hardens aspect, would you want that much responsibility for a team like your coach game today was like, yeah. Like heart. We want you to basically make every single decision for four quarters. Like is that some new Blake oak that the dream or they like a little too much. I'd rather you know, what I'm saying spread the ball around. Everybody stays involved. Personally. I think it's got to be like a drain a lot of guys like when you especially when you get to the stage. Like, yeah, that's gotta be a dream. And to be honest with you. There's been some tough times guy was just like wake up the next day just being actually exhausted yet he's got like a back back to play. And like, that's gotta be tough. But to go out there knowing like, I'm gonna do literally whatever it is in the court that I wanna do the team is depending on me to do everything. And it's like that I look back to my own career. And I look at like high school like my senior year in college. Like that was like probably the fun time. I've ever had we'll ever have a basketball court because everyone depending on you, and you can literally you have the freedom to what they're doing ever you want. When you have that freedom kind of like really opens up your games do stuff that you'd even realize can do. Yeah. Sure. Man. I think I mean, that's gotta be. It's gotta be a dream at times. I'm sure he gets tired. But like he's when he listens in the mirror and seeing like the situation he's in for sure, man. I mean, he can't complain about that when he. Listen to the strip club bathroom mirror. I know very happy with. What's the for you? Personally. What's the most memorable moment? You've had on the basketball court. Oh, man. I don't know. Headed game winner last year in Turkey. And I literally hit it like right in front of my dad. Okay. Like that. That was one of the bulb it, it was just kinda cool because like we were so far away from home. Right. And I might add was literally like right behind the as I have to shot. I looked at him after he was like he was hyped up as like the ten year old sitting right next go on so seeing that man like that was like that was like a priceless moment. That's cool L especially again with the the far from home thing. Like just seeing how far like how big I'm sure in the barren household growing up. It was all basketball all the time. So for oh, you're right for you to be this far along in your own life and still have basketball such a huge part of it in your dad right there. That's that is cool as out. For sure it's kind of like living through me too. 'cause he played in college. But he never, you know, he didn't make it pro or anything like that. So like have me and my brother over here. You know, we we both play for combine like fifteen years. My brothers on your on your five. So he's kinda he is living through was like, you know, our biggest like how are you gonna ride this the wheels fall off or are you thinking of other things or you just stuck not stuck? But you committed to doing this for like like your brother for double digit amount of years. I don't know man because you know, every year you take off an August. And you don't come back until Joe. Okay. So it's like it's a long long long long season in you're going the whole time. I mean, it's a big time factor fight. The money's great. The fact that I can play basketball is great. But you're really find out if you love the game I really quickly. So I I guess life moves along, and it's like having kids could change my perspective on things, but I do want to give the league shot. I think before my career is done being twenty eight years old. I feel like time is really really taken. So I think I do want to give the league shot because I do believe like since compare myself now when I came out of college and all those pre workouts and was in the mix with a couple of teams to get draft in the second round like my game right now compared to that. It's just completely different. So I feel like I just want to give it a shot. And then, hey, if it doesn't work out, I'll at least be able to sleep better at night knowing that I did give it a chance. I can't tell you how I don't think I won't. Play to the wheels fall off over here. That's for sure. Okay. But before it's all done. I think definitely gonna league. I feel like it's it's kinda trending that way. Like again, Tucker, Joe Greene on dairy Miller. I think some of these guys kinda wanna like you've played overseas. I know your vet on I'm not going to worry about you being a young guy getting in the young guy on the road. You know, how to handle yourself? I can count you for fifteen twenty minutes a game and just a norm. Getting from every game for sure for sure I mean guy coming over there like they're like one they're grateful to get the opportunity to be one state and the to play for an MBA team in heaven silly that they have and the travel the way they've traveled little things like that is day difference from the Geordie of the teams over here into guys just grateful for the app between literally trying to make the most of it. And so guys, I mean, they're fulfilling a dream in wonder that much grape before because they see that they did make it out of college, and they came over here, and they grinded so no offense the guy's college. But you know, you don't know what the fuck. Good. Like, you literally don't know what the grind is over here. Man. It's like, you know, it's double days every single day like put your heart head on for ten months. And you literally you got to try and win every single game. And you got to compete like your job at never say over here and the beauty to it. But it's also it is tough times because you do to hold yourself to this the standard on the court. So when those guys do get the chance to leave man every time, I see a guy it was over here. Don't long lead. Man. I feel really good for them. Because I know I guarantee like seeing Bryant Wanamaker playing for the Celtics. He's extremely grateful for that situation. Yeah. Meghan, the most of his opportunities every time he's on the court. For sure. But before we let you go back to being in Serbia, keep one a collared fucking Siberia 'cause I'm an eight before we let you go. Your pops coached Panama in the ninety two Olympic. Devlin just texted us a picture of him with with magic in Jordan. Those guys are. Those guys. Yes. A couple of guys. I don't know what happened with them. But what kind of stories did he tell you about just that whole not even just this picture, but that whole experience? Man. I don't even get that job. I I don't know. I clearly Panamanian look at the picture. He was that like Dame at the time. My dad was day. And it's coach was digger Phelps. Okay. And I and I believe like, maybe maybe digger Phelps with listen. I got like an opportunity for you. Like, you wanna take this not my dad's? Sure, let's do it. And then he got over there say got over that he'll show it fill. My dad film, and he'll tell you the one the first thing like my dad will come over here. And literally like tell someone like a Cosa Panama Olympic team coach Barron like they're gonna look at might who the hell are you who is this? He'll the first thing that he saw you walk non street here to tell you yet Costa Panama Olympic team, we had the lead in the ninety three team. It was like I dunno like twenty or thirty five thirty six or something like that. Gyles thinking like ones. Yeah. And then he's just turned it up. I mean, if you watch the film, literally m j like guard in his thirty eight year old point guard with like knee braces on full court, just like, oh, my good- from Jay. When this power. China. That's incredible though. That's that. Yeah. That's shit. Thirty five yet where I hear you. Yeah. It was a point differential ended up being a point of sixty. So thirty six thirty five the final was one twelve fifty two. So they went on a bit more. They want a little bit of a run. Leitner got hot. What can you do? Oh, man. No. But that's I mean shit like did he tell his players because every time I watched like dream team stuff. It's always like funny to see like someone from Angola like mid game. Like breaking out like a piece of paper to get an autograph that he tells players like wait till after the game fell halftime as Lilly. So after the game my dad goes with basketball goes over to locker room he gets a basketball signed by everyone on the dream team. Right. So he got everyone. Chuck Daly to who died guy. I mean, this was worth a lot. So my dad has a task was like off to a lot of at the house. My brother, my older brother is like five or six times Ono the basketball in the attic. He's all these signatures on the bath was like all man. I let cool let me put my own name on it. The ball brings us to my dad. I'm surprised my dad, so I. So my dad might say my dad was that guy angle like taking pictures and getting our role manufa. I'm sure magic Michael Bennett. Let my dad say, hey, let's take a picture with you. And this Devlin just saw though for sure, but at least it was during the game. And I thought you were gonna say if your bear. Yeah. I thought you're going to say he went out like with the ball and was like shooting in the backyard with it or something that would have been way, whereas just signing pro he's he's as good as there, wouldn't it? Oh, man. Oh, man. But Billy baron circle of trust guy, continued success to you. And listen, I don't wanna brag on us. But we've we've had a bit of a touch with certain guys Corey brewer with the league he came on our show. Now, he's on the Sixers. So I'm just saying I I like got. Yeah. Like it. I wouldn't be surprised best of luck still with this upcoming season with with that ultimate dream. And yet next time, you're you're stateside, definitely come through the office. You know, you're always welcome here. Appreciate guy, of course for. Thank you, see Billy it. Yes. Yeah. No. I would do you play the dream team. You gotta go talk to all as many of them will give you the time of day. That's why I'm surprised I the just Jordan and magic. We're just nice this. No, nice guys. Michael Jordan, taking pictures with other teams players coaches. Well, it is I own a nice guy. Charles Berkeley for Jordan in those areas, white guy. So he was definitely taking Magic's there too true. True. Okay. He's gonna crop this, right? Fucking social trends. I remember when I was younger like we had a family friend who's just like one of those guys who knows everyone. You know, what I made it one of those guys. He he brought me a basketball, and I didn't realize much later in life. What it was? But he brought me a basketball will from Celtics practice like one of the ones they used and it was like ninety one ninety two so bird used the basketball, and I fucked for two played with it. You're basically Larry Bird. That's what I was thinking. Yeah. You got a bad back. Don't you basically everybody? I built many driveways. Same guy. Bone hill in terrible mustache, you're basically bird. But yeah, it's. The the whole European thing. It definitely is like playing over there. It definitely I didn't realize the season started not because the Chinese leagues like six months in and out. I didn't realize they were going like a ten straight months eleven and the only place that they start talking about Don-Shik. That's when I was like, oh because they're like, oh, no eighty two games will be nothing. He played like ninety eight games. He's never felt better. Easing the he has no idea. What a rookie wall would even look like the end of the playoffs are done. He's like all right. The gum had a couple of days off. I'm ready like look done. Like, yeah. We'll save in saving late September. Is like, whoa. Dow cut what happen is. I'm going back to Barcelona. Fuck live you'll get in the second half of the season. Yeah. That's a I can't imagine the trying to talk about like the patriots and everyone being like, no. I d what that means men who. Yeah. That's why I keep hearing this. I don't know. Like, I'm sure the Super Bowl is worldwide. But nobody cares about American football. But us I think it's worldwide because like Americans like Billy, Barron live in other places. It's gotta be that. And like the like the halftime show. They have been of it. Right. I don't think I can't imagine. Like a lot of people. Just like, yes. Let's have a four in the morning SuperBowl, get it. But. I don't know if it's this worldwide event, we watched the when I was in Puerto Rico the patriots the chargers, I watched the first half in a bar and the only people in the bar watching the game were other patriot fans that happened to be in Puerto Rico. I've done. It was in California. I watched Bama Auburn the the one with the crazy returns at the end kick six. Yeah. The kick six and me and the bartender just like what a wild getting. Nobody cares. And this is within the United States. I can't imagine him Bill grave. Man. I can't believe Goff got there either. What about that? Call with the same. Yeah. It's like Billy. I know we both speak English. But I have no idea what you're saying right now. Yeah. I can we just play basketball and not talk to each other. That is the one part about European basketball, though, that everyone it's like the first thing I always hear about the guy from guys over there. They're just like Yemen, they pay for fucking everything and give me money. It's awesome. Oh, yeah. Basically tax free. They'll give you like car house. I said food, and I'm sure you could probably swing food if you the right club if you're trying to. Yeah. If you're I'm sure there's like a team meal a day if you're trying to live off at and truly pocket, everything you definitely could not. And it's like that. And he knows he's say he could lose his job at any moment. But he's not going to be like traded to make the money match for DeMarcus cousins in immediately released. Right. He would be in the NBA. So I get it. Trying to think what else happened in in the basketball world. I rattled off the Celtics. That's during the interview those were important to me true. They're actually good now. Marcus mile clearly at least second VP behind harden. I gotta get home court. I man let me. Does hard. This harden today as the five said, Yep. That's what I'm saying. So he I put Marcus smart ahead of kyri though, that feels fair I'm fine with it. Yeah. I know you're saying it'd be a dick. But I'm I'm not again. The top thirty player. There's no there's no shame in that. Do the other day. Can't remember I can't remember who it was against. Kyrie's was a casual he's shooting more threes. Now, I think someone finally told him to. Yeah. Appreciate it. Nice. It's the the Celtics of this crazy record when he attempts not even makes just attempts four in the first half, pretty sure they're undefeated. I think it's like fifteen now it like it could because you're like he might just keep doing that. Like, we have to change everything we're going to do. But he just take sixteen threes. He might hit ten of them. So yeah, we have to just everything. So we'd be they started the stretch beating Toronto. That was a good win. We beat Memphis would just stinks now they're just like try to win that game. And they couldn't the hawks should have beat us. They were up on us for the entirety of the game. And then kyri just disagreed not. The hawks have been plan to close to five hundred recently, don't like it. Do not like I think they've their four game. It was the head of the bulls. They basically played themself out of the top three. Yeah. They were there four and six over their last ten. The bulls are one and nine Knicks or what nine Cleveland's wanted nine. That man Memphis is one of nine. That's everybody's doing writes, the hawks in the cheese. The magic really fell off surprise surprise trae route we've been saying like three straight years. Of course, I do. But but they haven't though in. It's like, maybe we should just keep. If they could have got value. They would've traded him. What's not act like the Orlando? Magic front office knows what they're doing at any given moment. I know rob Hennigan was right. About something. I don't what something Pat throughout. The course was life had to have been once. Yeah. Broken twice a day Brooklyn ate into their last ten now. Brooklyn's good ball real good ball. They who they beat this month. They just beat Orlando twice jocking shocking. They beat the Celtics. They lost Toronto. They beat New Orleans to start the year. Memphis is in here. Chicago's in here, Houston, they beat one forty five one forty two into some insane game. Brooklyn. That's actually good. No there. Depend on what the Pacers do. The nets might be looking at the five seed they're getting hot at the right time the Pacers predictably take a little slump without their best player. Yeah. You could be looking at the Brooklyn nets in the five. Why forgets boss both the ever? Everyone's only gonna move up now because Indiana has best player I hurt because like Milwaukee's ate into their last ten Toronto's eight to their last ten Indy. Seven and three Phillies seven three Boston seven three. So literally no one's been able to move in within those top five. Until now route where like man, you hate to see it Vic, but Rochet. Shame. Joey Harris got player of the month. He gets the nets into the five c and everybody else in that uses just even the wizard the plan better. But everyone else is just despicable. Yeah. I mean like Brooklyn feels like a lock for the playoffs. Right. Damn near like, it's two games now, but they're above five hundred trending the right way. Right. So it's like the Hornets in heat, basically, the below five hundred barely below five hundred. But they're playing about five hundred ball like they're not not losing not making anything up. I can't see I could see the pistons making the playoffs. Wizards may be. And honestly, I probably see those teams in there than the Hornets heat. I don't know. I like like the heat. To me since they've done point Justice are interesting as one at least see it more before they just wanna see Blake really like I would just bet on ready Blake than any player. I need those other teams definitely Charlotte. Get shot out of my face. I'm done with Charlotte watch they're going to be the raptors in like five games. I'd be thrilled with that thrilled. Listen, you know, how many teams would all of them? Dwarves? They wouldn't care. Whereas wasn't even know what happened. They'd be Toronto's not here. Again could've seen that coming. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Rosenfield again, Bosh never can't get over. Yeah. Did you see Reggie Jackson last night? Wasn't great like Balint known own jokester for today. Blake references like man if we just focused a little bit. We would be winning basketball games ready Jackson's like like, Chicago, pal. Reggie we we you just for on the last play just dribble. The clock out didn't even consider shooting. He's. We're willing wrote. Tom. When a dickhead one of the absolute ticket is the MVP rice over I feel like it is. Trying to I don't think it's but it's close against the rock to play forty seven games. I think somebody's got like ten to twelve games. The kind of like if Janas wants to be like, oh, no. I'm still really good. Like, my numbers haven't changed hardened. Just started doing more. When everyone got hurt hardens joined the narrative in his favor. We also get the sixty point games. He's got going to. That's what I mean. But we've all been like all of hardens teammates stink. Like, I've already seen people tearing down Anthony now Anthony Davis teammates to good like imagine. If if if I don't have never bought into no main either. But it's like imagine of James harden had drew holiday Julius Randle and Nicola narratives like, whoa. Whoa. That team. Look like. Eight thirty four. Like in this Raga team is doing better than expected for sure. But again, they still don't have home court. So it's all know relatively relative for now, which is like thirty eight the only players if hard finishes at thirty six right hours at thirty six point three points per game. If he finishes at thirty six they're only been two players in NBA history. Tavares more points per game for a season. It's wilt several times in Jordan wants will only ever over of points until he was like Laker and like forty one right? So with those with that, and the fact that he also likes stuff statute other ways with rebounds system, a couple steals here in that. I don't know what could like unless it gets hurt. And just misses the rest of the year. I don't know what's going to get him off of MVP. Even though like we were seeing games don't matter for all in BA shouldn't matter for VP. Again last year. Steph made all MBA fifty one games hardens play forty four right now in those forty four better than steps fifty one last year. So so if didn't play another game right now, would you put him on all in BAT? 'cause I would yet based on how we know all inveighs voted for I would just hope MVP voted differently. But I don't know I. That's a good one that should be. In. He also plays like a lot of minutes too. So he you go by games played or minutes played. He's probably hit whatever imaginary thrift old. Like he's leading the scoring race right now by seven points. I wanna know like big as like first second drops in hit like seven points of fucking lot. I would imagine. It's like the air wilt average fifty. Everyone else average eleven. Yeah. I would I would I would hope that's the year. That has the biggest gap the gap between he Anthony Davis in Steph or at twenty nine point three to get seven more points behind them you go down to eighteen Donovan Mitchell. So they get between one and two is the gap between two and eighteen. Christ. Yeah. He's a forty if he gets to fifty in a gift stiff made all NBA fifty one I go and put his name on it. He also is for in the league in assists per game. Like in begin because he plays so many games. So many minutes at the end like toward the end of the MVP races. We start seeing all these like crazy numbers. We haven't seen all year. It's one of those James harden created ten thousand points this year like one of those right? He created more points than anyone ever. Yeah. That's what I was trying to say on the rundown that was like when he had his remove that. Triple doubly add last year where it was like the most points ever created in a game. Like even more than will like hundred point game that kind of shit's insane. No, I agree strongly agree. It's awesome. I was saying like the new. There's a right. I can't remember who to give the new triple double should be like ten threes. Taken ten free throws taking Tennessee's is like points rebounds assist. Don't really we often whispered doing it every game. He's thinks. So we off the knees nothing. The backside warn NBA's going to get real chippy. This this past week real chippy. I like it. It's the same time last year when the Houston clippers back back a backstage brawl broke out and Andre fall stole the blueprints of the arena. Propel down the side of the lighter. And it was it's almost it's pretty much the exact same time as Aruna follow got put in a headlock by Balita. Oh, man. I forgot about was that last year. Yeah. It was last January follow NAT is he still on the court. It's just been carrying around his back pocket. Manno man, you talk about helpless. And like Bailey's was not someone. I would I would picture being the toughest guy in each us. How to flow down real bad? You know, six five six two hundred twenty light would grow, man. Let me go. Please. If you wouldn't mind if is not too much belly. So we had. What was the big fight this week that gorgeous Yangon and in Devon Booker does no little robbery? There's no way. Devon Booker can fight right. Now, I don't know he's from Michigan and Michigan people can fight. He is for miss. He's just he's too pretty is to he's to his too many other things hairlines find he's really gonna bass ball. He's very rich to good-looking. Can't also be out and fury. Eight. Maybe also fight moms Puerto Rican though. So I feel like he can he Can Tho jazz if he's got like a blade Israel stabby. Okay. Mom, Puerto Rican day played in the league, and he from Grand Rapids a bit. He and he's looked like this entire light. Obey. He can fight a little bit like fight seven foot people from Senegal fight. Oh, no. He woke day. Rewrote him. Remove the Louisville part from it with. Here's the thing. More do it. Correct. Twice as aid get his his name, literally translates to the old one. So I just assumed gore gangs had old man strengthens. He was born don't strength these guys yet. Right. So I don't picture that end the way dang was talking after he was like, yeah. I just wanted to exchange jerseys with them like that. When people started saying stuff like that Devon Booker was died. The other day. I'm sorry. Meantime, Booker women looking car door handle man, you thinking had handle himself in the hands before. Oh, no chose me. I remember. I referenced that when I blog it like that's never forget that about Devon book. It thinks my income up. Little man bitch looking car door handles. We got fight affair one has thing. Do you think Tyler Ulis ever? Let him fight. And live from elevator footage shouldn't have. Boy. I should reconsider that one. Yeah. Yeah. I would imagine. So and then the very same night, we had Wessel. Russell Westbrook in yourself nurk, John each other. These guards going these bigs, I don't know what the plan is here. Westbrook's just going whipper don't like nobody direct. And I like I like that about Westbrook direct. But you've seen narcos dad. Right. Oh, yeah. Like, some Dell's me narc it's like I can't like it must have been like, there's no way Westbrook actually wants to flatly. He couldn't like he was it's like the saints pass interference call like like there was so blatant. There's no way could be actually happening, right? I would hope that just lesson against nine as several years ago. It appears he had not like have you have you heard about how like Nurkic got discovered? I read it. But I can't remember is base. It's all through his day. Like his dad is like a seven foot cop like seventeen people. Right. We in somebody like a coach heard about it was like, oh, do you have any kids at all? Yeah. I got this fourteen year old one of he's like, I'm on my way. I was like so much. Yeah. Like, I'll teach you how to set a pig, right? Yeah. Nurtured never even heard of basketball like wasn't that never even crosses nine. This guy was just like, no, no your dad's such a monster. We'll just assume you can figure out this. He's like a Jirga whooping from your dad all the time. Oh, yes. Sign right here on your over the new. Who's them everyone EV Lutely every living or dead? And also to be Russ win Lillard Tuesday. He's going at big and small. He is bizarre. It's funny when it's a fair fight. Is it fair though? He's like, I'm busting your ass for you. Yeah. True. True. It was pretty funny. But whenever narc is to do here like them laughing at each other on the court like not like actually laughing like friends but like taunting London. Oh, yes. Now, we wouldn't here right now. Fuck you over. Who wouldn't elite like it's not a legal in Bosnia up to you. That parade is what they do. Yeah. My old man will have me home before dinner. Bust me right out of the pokey. No problem with his fifth through the granite. Yeah. No. I would not Nargis is for sure on a on a slight. We'd ever put him on. Doc alley teams or stuff like that. Because even like a light of a brightly lit alley. I still wouldn't wanna see him back there. Like, that's that's not guys. I don't know. He's one of them. I don't even I don't think like Yogi. I don't think he's salt. But I don't think is tough guy. But I still talk with him for sure he was just going back and forth with someone the other day. But even yeah, he's he's a soft one of my brothers. I was the runt. Yeah. I just got my beatings, and then would would go learn at us at the table and behind my back like I was throwing dishes into the dishwasher have power over near bounce for. Not a guy's incredible man it real good real good at sports. As at Tate. He's incredible. Now, I think he might average a triple double Knicks. The end people will actually respect it. It's like they they will. But it'll be like a seventeen ten and ten like it was way more impactful than russes and then the thunder here they're going to like fucking explode. I'm fine with that more than okay? Yeah. I wanted to have him speaking this energy into the universe. As what we do here. That was another scrap to try to remember who was last night or by recently laugh, Ron. Plumlee rust livered Plumlee was out and loose wetter. Good. Yeah. Yeah. Fellas fellas fellas plays moose what you're right. You're right. We had. Marsha? We are we good. Yeah. So when we were recording last it was one the MLB hall of fame was announced an since then people have just been outraged. That Mariana Rivera was the first ever to get a hundred percent. I haven't seen that like they didn't think he should have got early. Didn't think he should have been the first to get it. They don't think it should be the first to get it. Which is the kind of thinking that is made. Sure other people were not the first to get which is kind of agree with it because. Yeah, it should've happened a hundred years ago. So I agree with that one hundred percent he should have been the first to get correct? So I was I was listening to the francesa last night when I got home because I knew he wouldn't be pleased with this. I just didn't realize how non-pleased who would be is. He Yankee garments are neither big Yankee guy. Guess what? I think I mentioned like anybody big there would be fan. So he. Let me guess he's big fan of a Pettit. No is favourite is favorite Yankee ever is demise. No, do the demise. Not even to my handle. No. It's the guy played with his mantle mantle. Gabby all. Although guys are basically had to measure was better, mental just cooler. His second favorite is Bernie Williams. Okay. Really good, Brian Williams. Incredible. When it came up with clutch it after clutch hit for them. So that's why he's just like Bernie Williams changes at the Dragonfly Jones became. He does look exactly like Bernie limbs in the face. It's very flag. Hammer moves that house Iowa. There is just a Marlin burn, man. But I see let twelve fifty six last night. I said I'm listening to francesa from yesterday. He's talking about the hall of fame. He asks how certain players weren't one hundred percent beforehand brings up Jackie Robinson. Got a point. Yeah. He was like house. Jackie not hundred present caller like several callers. Call up to be like, Mike. Some people are racist. Buying cut his buying exactly. Screen. These goals. He goes, Mike disagrees. He got seventy five percent of the vote. So it's three three out of four people weren't racist. Yeah. That's what it turned out to be. Yeah. Yep. Seventy eight percent. And then later on like people kept gonna be like, no, Mike. It was race. Like, that's all it was he'd be like Santa Colfax got eighty six percent. You told me fourteen percent of racist against Jewish people. Get probably. More or less. Yes. Not fine. The line. Mike your own was not. Anyone would bring up the raises and stuff, and he would just like pivot to some white guy who hasn't gotten that. Didn't get a hundred percent from Boston. I know I did. I had no idea. Because he was arguing they should have got onto present would not buy that race to play. Like Jackie Robinson was literally the first black guy to play. Like, of course, racism was involved. He's like they treated him. So well, they spiked amendment. Initiation kinda like hazing. Well spit on a guy when he slides in the third base. Just ruffling feathers. It was funny because he he did bring up Ruth a couple times be like we'll think hundred percent. And I wish a that. He was the type of guy who wouldn't think this call was a prank, but I would love to call and be like Mike a lot of people. He actually think Babe Ruth was black. And he would like he would not go along with that. He wouldn't entertain it wouldn't do any of it. He would just hang up, which is the worst part about that. I feel like it'd be one he'd hang up. But it he'd go on about it for like ten minutes this guy on my phone. My phone. Hebrew, latman. No, no. No. No. No, no. He just goes on for like ten minutes. I've been doing this for thirty thirty seven years. You won't bother me. Call on my show telling me the bay Ruth was black. I never heard that may be true. He also ended the show on a rant which I fell asleep before I got. But I thought KFC tie tweeting about it. He he got duped by the girly ref picture to. He was a I saw him do CT before. All Lombardi, we got duped on Twitter, though. Yeah. Because he which one did I see 'cause Lombardi was just the Twitter, but France did the whole or did the video right? Ri answers the question. It was like a quick clip that I saw. Yeah. That was from the next day. I think okay. Okay. Okay. But. I there, but I do it. You had this eat it. My guess I didn't even read these textile just now he goes. Oh, yeah. Mike when he was talking about the girly thing he was like players exchange coins with ref breasts before the game all the time. Like, what are you talking about the extremes coins? The Fisher Susan the Anthony dollar to give to Drome Boettger before the game. Caves, he goes Indian guy called up only KFC would be able to hear an Indian guy on the phone, and he goes, Mike. I have a few ways to fix overtime, apparently, Mike audibly groaned and just goes, I don't have time for all of them pick your favorite one and just get it over with. That's that's ballot guys easily. The biggest radio host of sports radio host of all time. So is he he's doing radio now is just like by cast. Oh, he's back on radio or both. He's back on radio. He's got the app. It's just it's just the best that's easily. If someone will like why would you ever live in New York? I'd be like Francis. I need him. You need them in your daily life. It's so much. It's a so much better. Because it's like living in Boston. You you have to hear what they say. And they just they just try and troll like that's the only way people get ratings in. Boston's by trolling like like, literally the biggest radio show in sports radio show in Boston is two guys who for ten years now have been saying that the patriots aren't good. I mean. I mean, I'm I'm listening. I wanted I'd like to hear their points. They're not good points. I'll tell you that much the very bad points. And but it gets people like riled the fuck up, and it's like, but but it all like it benefits barstool because people come here. And it's like finally some logical takes. These are the logical tastes. Yeah. It's that's that's part of why were is big in. Boston's we because we're just like that. Now. We'll patriots really good people like where I expect to hear that looking on my life of this journal. But so since I don't have like I stopped listening to that in tirelesly many years ago like all right guys. Like, what would we even talking about here, but I live here, and they don't talk about the patriots unless it's like the Super Bowl. They don't talk about the Celtics and talk about anything any of my teams. Right. And I just hear this could be wildly bias could be the same thing. I'll never know. It's en. It's wildly entertaining. Could be 'cause you're in a different state might cut on. Like Mike's also Jim Romagna head. I don't know why everybody with a radio show doesn't say could have killed me every drop at random. Lena kills me. Every Dan did you see we had? Uh-huh. I blank is name the impressionist from mad TV who did John Madden. Yeah. K we Kelly Endo in the office. And he does a Rome. So PF was doing Rome Kellyanne does doing Rome, and then Devlin just burst of the wall. Like the Kool aid man to also do his run. And they're all. Yeah. They were all just doing Rome for like five on uninterrupted minutes. Boom. Cut his line. Elsa goon DOE. From the boys of chino hills. The boston. Do they? I know it comes office trolling like do you think that they are like are they smart enough to pull that off? You think they really believed that they are just not good? No. You don't know. And that's the beauty of. No. I think it's a calculated plan and most people I mean, that's why like like, I take still does numbers. That's why the only reason collared people who Colin coward. It's win coward will like randomly like the things that go viral. The the crazy like John wall doesn't know his dad. That's why he'll be bad takes. And then he'll randomly like say something. And it's just like, oh, yeah. That was like insightful. Where did the why gains do that all the time? Wouldn't you be better? If you were just constantly inciteful. Now's I'm this those. But I I'm also not looking for correct. Correct. He. Mikey podcast used to like produce that show coward show. Yeah. That's sounds about right night for this this show. You're listening to right now. Get ahead of podcast things will tide will turn. Maybe. Yeah. What are you looking to? Yeah. No Boston exclusively does that. And that's why like the other night. There are two stations. One used to be the big one. This other one came out of nowhere. They actually started talking about hockey, which the other one never did. That's how this other one rose to prominence 'cause New England fucking loves hockey. Neither neither of them talk about the Celtics ever. And the the the hockey station started. They hired this guy. Mike Felder who's not even from Boston. I from Wisconsin. I'm pretty sure it's like a Packers fan. So he he came in. And he was just like, yeah. I'm just gonna roll the patriots constantly, and my my my boards gonna light up like fucking Christmas tree. And it does every single day for about a decade. Now ano-, ma'am. I don't miss my Kolon. Boston just say thing, that's pretty much all that. You. I mean, I still get people all the time that will like like, I tweet me. Just be like dude, why Tyler hate the Celtics fucking doesn't talking. Like, it's all time talking about somebody else. The Celtics fans they the first ones in my mention late helping fan the flames, but now posted at gronk picture, and they were to get in. There's not the way to go. Hollows aboard. We we had you wrong along whiskers supposed to be making fun of Charles clay, not rob gronkowski. Wasn't Charles glare, which is to make a tackle? Like that. I know you will correct. That's the beauty of everybody. I'm gonna be so nervous. Like, we're up like six with a second left in. They just cut to that wide view of gronk plan safety for the hell ams. Now, we haven't we learned just hands on his knees. I would cut to like who's got the game this year CBS. Man was by ESPN ESPN two. They got like the coaches watching the span, I just wanna gronk gam-. I wanna hear gronk or I wanna see gronk like leaving the defense of huddle. Run off some defensive play. He has no idea what it me. Just was new. Devin, McCoy's on the sideline like I feel like I should be out there. I don't know. Fixing Malcolm Butler. That's really the one thing. I don't care who I just want to play a little db. All I want to tell a win for the conference championship. Didn't get it. So I push it forward. I mean, it'd be electric if instead of for a hail Mary we put them in on goal line defense. He's just jamming fucking Fran and cooks on the line. He just swift miss much easier on my legs. It would be like when the ravens used to put a daily as Thomas on like Ocho, Cinco just push him into the fucking stands do that yet. No, it wasn't within those first five yard. You can basically just rob him. Extra. Megan problem that six yard though, their flag it so quickly. No. Now you'll. Now, I'm just picturing gronk trying to get that Jim and just a quick sidestep. And he's down down the ground. I look at that picture him plant safety every day. On a why arm was on the ground. Runs like that. You saying both? That's where learned it. I've often called gronk bolt of buffalo. If they one hundred days, do you think Bowe could get there and back fast, then grunk give their now? No, I don't I don't. It's okay. If it was a it was twenty five yards in the u-turn a direction another twenty five yards. You turn a direction up to one hundred yards. He think boat could do that in back before. Gronk I get there. I think the direction would fuck him up. So feels like a lot of instructions. I mean, both you're not gonna see both turn anyways to quit, correct? Ron is gonna take that. I turn blow a tire. I think I think like Boca probably run like one thirty faster than grunk could run a hundred. Probably but like anything after that. I think rugs crocs getting there. Is he running with pads? I feel like his pads are so heavy. They needed hollered, Michael. No, he doesn't because he would have long been dead. Robert may point at today the shoulder pads like Tylenol used to wear like a wonder you could catch the ball. Like a wonder you can get his hands over. Yeah. I watched them run back that pick six against the the Rams earlier today. I probably will everyday before the game. And he is wearing an excessive amount of pads. I wonder if they could just lead with the shoulder saying one is much juice on it as you can. I could see that. But yeah, I don't know how Barry Sanders. Like, I'm getting tackled by that. I need even bigger shoulder. Yeah. That was back when people like actually wore pads on their legs to lay I don't I can't remember my sauce on with like five pounds. Now, I don't know if they they're gonna be wearing shorts in the NFL. I'm like years. They might as well like the pants wearing do nothing nothing. Now. Nothing at all that don't eat belts Li. I don't know why belts. Fashion. Most of I'm waiting for somebody where Gucci Bill. They're just take the fire. If y'all really bad it until Neo Brown. I'm looking at you. Yeah. Daily raise a good point. I mean, Tony, whereas lost his mind. I don't know if that guys will you mean, the guy with the bleach blond mustache despite being a black guy. You don't think that guy's? Well. Yeah. The Hollywood hope Brown. He's like these like John fighter tweets, man. Of course. He's not doing. Well, good. You fight a word not bread or using other people's toothbrushes that. It's disgust vowed a tough conversation read on a the one that barstool radio was talking about in. Then you talking about it. Give trying to give them away out. I couldn't believe John. I must have misheard this tell me you mean something else. No, listen, if I've ever met you out put your toothbrush. Why? What is this urgent knee? Just hits a mouthwash, wait till the Dollar General in the that's what I mean. Like if you've got mouthwash at the ready like, obviously, it doesn't do the complete job. But you can just live the night that way. Chew some gum get backing up brush my teeth with my finger before like, I'm not using somebody else's to fresh while move. And they all seem to be an agreement which was wild that man. I dunno on the why went to fights like he was going to be the voice of reason like Johnny baby. Give it to me straight. And I'm just imagine high school fight is use them. I wanna room loom from them. I've never wanna fight anybody about it, man. I wish we could set that rough and rowdy you way. We'd need time travel you high school fights. But like right before the fight you have to hand him your toothbrush, and he has to use it. Oh boy. I term Nick nuts. You should get a lot of animosity here. Why use my fucking you'd like she always dressed like when we're talking about. Got shark teeth. Man. He never been an ocean. It was not even real barking stock. Yes, fight. I'd like to say I would love to see that fight. That'd be incredible. And then like me from also high school comes in and helps jump him. Yeah. We got every year of whether it's just coming through the portal Jews, adding another rib shot, I'm like, why can't more of me? They come and help me. You're right. This guy stinks p you hold his on working body. Oh, man, you like stinks stinks allowed bribes that now. No, no, no. That savagery. It's utter savagery. It's there's literally no point for. There's no, man. Oh, man. Yeah. Ran out of underwear. So I had a ball yours. Did you have to you? That was your move. You had to do that. Double up. Going out one day or run to the store that was that was your go to the first thing you thought. Put this in my mouth there. I just like I won't wear another person's like sneakers like there's layers of cloth that go between like the human in that that item. It's just always been like gross to me. I'm trying to grossest thing I think is like deodorant, and it's like an emergency. I don't wanna use somebody else's deodorant. If you don't have it. That's won't go without deodorant row. But that that's my limit anything else. I'll do it out even that like unless it's like. Now, I don't think I would I would give up the DOD to someone else. Just as I understand. I definitely understand up. Lump the top layer off do I just keep it that part of the keep this sliver of deodorant yet. Now, just keep down. You're gonna need some later. Right. You can be thinking later on. Yeah. No toothbrush. Definitely not socks underwear. Big. No now. Your two-person New York. Burn a million new. His family built the Mayflower. What is he talking about? What? Two on his person at all. It's a it's I mean, I get traveling sometimes forget to pack it, but most of the time when you travel to a place, it's like a hotel or something like that. They have those at the ready. They're ready to sell those to you. Listen ninety the hotels, Fido, bergh's, they had that bring it to any no sale. Bring you the vibrations who've ready like I'm good. I used the one that somebody left here before I rummaged through the trash forbid, I found something that resembled a toothbrush. I stuck that my mouth is like are found some pants to everything. Everything's coming up. Johnny. Oh, what an absolute asshole. That guy is. Is he come to Atlanta for Super Bowl? I'm gonna punch in the belly. Oh, yeah. Now, you'll say. Good. I'm gonna punch him in the belly good. He deserves it. This is why people are always like why you always fighting him in the office because this is who he is the person he deserves to be fought tooth brush. What a lunatic down with that floss. I wouldn't mind getting. Would you finish all your dinner? Let me look at four. Right leg. Yeah. The huff. You got some rice in between the prongs those fourth man paid for that. People in Africa. Didn't even eat today. Believe that rice on intended. All right. I'll take it. You just gonna leave the marrow in those bones. Wasteful. Tune that food near I'll give it here given. And that's the thing about John. Does he gets so grossed out by like not that gross of things normally? Like like, he's a guy who's like constantly almost throwing up in the office because someone will be like pooped yesterday's like. Oh, can we talk about such come on, man? I eat lunch. Yes. I will. I was at gross beer, just like toothbrush still wet 'cause you just use it. Yeah. Let me just jam it in my face oil. As as as he's like, a dry office somebody else's tells like that's absurd. I would never do something like that. Yeah. It'd be like done with that dip. I wouldn't mind throwing that in my face like. Hear more choosing that give it here. Yeah. I remember once I had nowhere to spit in really needed to. And I took his dip bottle, and he gave me like a weird. Look, I'm gonna go yell at him about that. Now like, what was the look for? 'cause y'all. You should just kiss me in the mouth with spitting gonna use your suit. Yeah. Even if he was like, okay. If you were you've you just had one in you and your spouse, I was like, even then no. If it's my spouse, they're gonna understand us the to brush, I'll hit it in the morning. I would I would much rather like out like I'll just go drive to like the nearest convenience store. Like something is open. I would we we need a couple things. I'll be back. Get some more laws. You used all yours not used all the glossy us. So we need to move. Just. Now, it's uncomfortable working here on days like today when when people just a readily admit stuff like this for no good reason. Man. All three of that hurts that hurts. Casey, come on be better. You're supposed. Yeah. With open. Somebody would like the voice of like, what are you can craze? Now, it was right down the line another. They sent her. They turned it on us. Like, we were the crazy ones. I'll be crazy. I'm fine with no problem this way, America's gallon. I guess we just got to be crazy. Yeah. Fine with. Give me those Jim clo- workout in. Sweat through the back yet give it here. What a what a weird bird let Johnny fights. Is the guy like he can't they sold me many times. It's like you can listen to a whole album to keep the just can't do it like any album any he's like, no not happening. But he likes music loves it constantly listening. Just some of it. Yeah. Three in a row now. Thank you. I don't mind Dana shooting out tall. God. Let's to meet way. I listen more than three music, Dan. I can't listen anything after ninety four. So. They just shake sounds good. Like, they're always stories about like like, that's how a plague started. That's how like this out like civil trailblazers game the other night and like spread fucking like whooping, cough or some shit. Like, that's what I picture happening on a global scale Dana and fight stock for more than several consecutive seconds. Do they even know each other? Because if they don't I'd like to keep it that way. Yeah. I don't know if they've ever spoken can't imagine. When that would have happened fights does like the keep to himself in his little corner. When he's not brushing his teeth with other people's toothbrushes when not. And Dana's on the opposite end of the office, yet don't know if they've spoken would definitely gonna have to keep it that way. Yeah. Now, I don't even want those two is like one of those like we we're trading Ricky Davis. I don't even want him to meet LeBron like, we're not taking any chances. Yeah. We might have to fire one of them like what rock paper scissors, and a you think Dana understands rock, paper, scissors. Serious. I just like the concert to be fair to Dana, the you, and I don't understand rock paper scissors because it's fundamental get it it's bullets. You get it. No. I don't think Dana. I think if it was just like two things. Yeah. Like, you'd probably big off even guy rock paper shoot. Have you played odds and evens? Now, the the like you can throw a one or two and like you call odds or evens, and we both throw it whatever it adds up to two odd number and even number. The ads it's rock favors without the third thing that sound like like games like they played like the holocaust make the time. Go by just trash games cost feels extreme. But yeah, slavery. We're usually go usually you say the depression thing we joke about often. Joking. Why they call it. The great version because it was great. On the secretary. Want to? Well, Kaleb use the room. Apparently, he just looked through the through the window and gave me one of these. So I'm gonna go punts fights in the face for you. Thank you. And then when you see him you can punch him again. Correct arrested. Peace, tom. Yes, recipes porter. Yes, recipes Bo. Hashtag car hashtag WP M Y. Yes. Calcareous fun for Florence always and forever. Hopefully, not forever actually, saying that allowed them nor always. Always for very limited time. Hopefully, this'll be the last week. You can donate the Flint. That'd be said if maybe by next way. Yeah. Well, what do you know, they have drinkable water shower, Beloit? 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217: Alastair Macdonald | What You Need To Do During A Recession

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217: Alastair Macdonald | What You Need To Do During A Recession

"Guys really quick. I just wanted to mention that darkhorse tech is doing something amazing for all of you. Who need it services or maybe you need a better it company so stick around towards the end of the episode. And I'll fill you in on what Darkhorse Tech is doing for you. Alright it's time to talk with our featured guests Alastair MacDonald allaster. How's it going man? I'm doing superbly. Michael Thank you. Thank you thank you so much. I appreciate you for coming on the first time I ever actually was like. Is that the guy from the Ted Talk. I saw you and then I talked to. We have a mutual buddy mark. And he's like. Yeah that Tim Coma. Gosh I had been reading books about economy and more data and things like that and I was doing a little bit of research and you came up so it was just notch. Lana wasn't like we were let me see who? The speaker is Alastair. It was more a couple years ago I was like. Oh let me just look him up and and here you are so it's a it's a really. Yes really really close. Oh Alistair can you tell us a little bit about your past present in how you got to what you're doing today chill. I am originally from Zimbabwe in Africa when I was it was the country of Rhodesia and I was born into and grew during a pretty horrific civil war. Lost family members in with guns under our beds and so forth. I was born to a multi generational string of entrepreneurs so much so that it was never really a question of whether or not I would go into business myself at Christmas. Just what business for the BE And so that's the kind of psychology and the family that I grew up with a I started. My business at eighteen was a safari business. And thanks to good fortune and timing that business boomed every quickey that was kind played into the investment world. I did venture capital oddly enough for startup safari companies and then through a client of mine that was had come from the state's. I ended up moving to New York City and going to work on Wall Street. Wall Street was a disaster. My experience there was nothing but Crooks Shaun Livingston's and lost too long because I couldn't grow dorsal fin and So I lift and I moved off to Colorado and I've been involved in the investment and asset management business for many years from ninety seven until two thousand fifteen I was managing assets a significant pool of assets essentially a fund through the financial crisis in the housing crisis and so forth but if anything is of any value. It was the hard lessons that I learned from that came to the United States I had experienced major economic upheaval back in my homeland as a business on an activity more about that because I think it is a lot of people out there today business on his CETERA. Afraid and don't know what to expect and I have the unfortunate blessing of having seen every possible economic environment in his Iran to businesses through the largest hyperinflation in history I had to pay my employees twice a day because what we pay them at lunchtime wouldn't buy them dinner that night. Inflation is running at about eight hundred million percent. So there's a lot of crazy stories. I could tell you about that. Does that navigated these things. I became convinced that this was unique to the third will that it was purely because I was in a kind of economic backwardness to speak at the stuff wouldn't happen when I was here in the state since I came to the states and enjoyed a couple of boom years through the tech bubble money to then get Mike Buck completely kicked and caught up in the tech bubbles Bush thing and the recession of one and two And excuse me. I hadn't experienced the industry and after go into now that cut such a deep groove in my in my mind that I promised myself that I would never allow this to happen again. All the stuff I had learned All of the Gurus Business Consultants and advisors in the books that I read. Nobody had prepared me even the Federal Reserve. What had not prepared us for me and my business for a recession and I decided that that needed to change and so I put myself into the study of that. Study allowed me to make massive shifts in my personal and professional life which allowed me to predict tonight. -ticipant the housing bubble in boosting the financial crisis was the most profitable time of my life And then the subsequent recovery and so forth and I sold out my politician that investment business in Twenty fifteen and moved to working directly one on one with a small group of my private clients might high performing entrepreneurial clients. I would've Hospital in two thousand fifteen now partner in the dental practice shot on a five. Tiffany me hospital or a dental practice and I have a coaching salty. Practice for a entrepreneur us and so forth. So that's that's my story. I love the fact that you feel like you. I guess not minimalized simplified the fact I know you say there's there's there's power and small numbers right and that's something I one hundred percent agree with. I feel like sometimes we tend to throw more at a problem when instead of like actually looking at the problem and realizing how can we figure this out without having to throw more either more money more employees at it more? Something bigger isn't always better. You know becky right yes. That's my personal. Ethos us as well You know oftentimes out I speak a lot and so forth in a routine kind of come off the stage and have people say oh you know. Why have you before a what you instagram handle? Or and that's just not the will that I'm really concerned about I have no concern about reach. I'm only concerned about impacts. And what I've found is that there's a lot of people that are simply Taya kicks and they're looking for information is people who sit. Maybe watch exciting Lamborghini driving entrepreneurs on youtube that those types of trips. But it's never translated into actionable insights. And so they can tell you which video it was on Youtube. They watch that made the huge of business and so they go from dopamine dopamine APPs. Keep thinking keeping in mind that there. Some point going to breakthrough in these not. I mean God bless and is no shortage of people out there that operate that way but I don't think that creates results more invested in those who are actually invested in their own future and those are the people that I get to work with the nets cribbage. How do we get to that Alice? You're like how can we get two pretty listening right now? We're thinking about that and we're like man. I watch youtube videos. Listen to podcasts. After podcast but to start actually making change when needs to be done well you know there's an old adage that it's only when we'd get completely sick of where we are that we say. Okay just as just as I. Did Mike like win back into his. If it's okay I want to refer a moment wrote me to this is back in two thousand and two so I lived through that Excuse me the recession. As I said Tech bubble might assets in the essence of my clients were absolutely wacked. Fifty percent in a very short space of time and I have this happens. The United States. This is you know the shiny place on the hill and it took me a while to really get some sense of what it is that drives these markets in that occurred to me through thousands of hours of study and contemplation history that markets and economies are driven of course like people and they are driven in an auction system. The housing market is an auction system. out pay per click. Ads are auction system. Meaning that we have willing buyers willing sellers so with us this take us. It takes us whether it's stocks or dental practices or victory panics. Or any of these things we need to match a bio with a seller. The moment that there's more buyers than sellers crisis Ryan's windows more sellers been biogas crisis full and we can see the set of livestock shingle. Something which I grew up going to as a kid. So then we have to go one step further upstream instead of What drives somebody to do that in this is my this is critical. If you know friends out they can can just really allowed this concept of percolate in their mind it will. I believe it will significant shifts in their operating system. What is it that causes people to want to buy or to sell the media? The general media would convince US trying to convince us that it's because things are doing well that people become optimistic so you'll hear this all the time. Stocks were up today. Making investors optimistic. Will if we just posed for them and we don't we just change the channel keepdriving. Don't look up. But if we stop from an Oscar ourselves if that were true that rising stock so rising values are dental focuses. Made people optimistic. What made them rise? In the first place the causality is reverse. It's that optimistic. People buy more practices optimistic. People buy stocks and houses. And when there's more of them that optimistic than pessimistic in prices Ryan's others who are not yet navy. They're on the fence. Or watching these S. It STARTED TO RISE. They joined the hood and it becomes a self perpetuating cycle what we get about in the mock at the half cycle which is what we've just completed. We just completed. Hof Cycle of the full economic cycle. And we're now entering the second off which is unfortunately the contraction and. I have a lot to share about that. But when we watched that hood go running out the we become increasingly emboldened by the number of people doing what we're doing and that creates a parabola with prices spike strongly higher. And we start to see things we've never seen in history. In the case of dental practices we see people rushing into the space with borrowed money because after all there is optimism and then there is extreme optimism and the differences optimism. Means you will use your own money. Extreme optimism says you will use other people's money you start to use leverage now this is we end up in a world where companies are paying fifteen sixteen eighteen times. Eba for dental practice now. Anyone who's been in business through a full market cycle looks up at his. What in the goodness of earth is going on here but our emotions takeover so getting back to your question which is a great question. Why do we do this? We become so influenced by this hooding mechanism. The desire to keep up with others foam the sense of. If I don't buy now I'm going to get left behind or really late. In the cycle there is a very strong penchant for the most aggressive aspects. So if we look at the housing bubble for example was back in two thousand five I owned rental properties I was under contract to buy a penthouse apartment in the old harbour of Main overlooking the harbour redone beautiful and I was thinking about this sense of what was going on and it felt a lot like the conviction back in somebody that the populace had about this for which I have enjoyed great success with at a very young age and I want kick. The ties could bubble but everybody I suppose who said Oh notes real estate no one wants making anymore land or real estate a waste goes up or as been banenky said. We've never seen a natural decline in home prices. Everybody was so convinced of this. That the track was set I Trust to liquidate my rental properties. I walked out of the contract. I was under two by the The apartment which was fine. There was like five Baya's behind me. That wants to buy no Hong and I trust to rinse now the point. Being of course property prices fell over the the largest in US history. And where was the opportunity the opportunity was in renting within the space of just a few months? I was renting an oceanfront home with a private beach. Views of the water from every room in the house and I was paying less than the property taxes to be there so we have to ask ourselves in. This is not about music. Something remarkable about it but there is about this inside if we can truly apply it. What happens in a mania? In a mania we st- we find out shelf. Midway through and in the case of housing people looked around and said. Hey here's my mate. Mate has flipped can of these hundred thousand dollar properties of the lost five years. And look at all this money. He's made I'm going to meet him at the finish line by buying a million dollar property and I'll flip that so if you know. Simple LINEAR EXTRAPOLATION. People think this is a great idea just in time for the peak but there is one final speculation in the case of In the case of bubble like this people start looking around and saying okay. What a what others not thinking of now? Of course everybody is thinking the same thing is each other but in the case of housing. What did they do they rush into? Roland? The ruland market is always a late cycle phenomenon. Because people say well hang on all these properties are going crazy price. You can see around grandma dental practices. What I'm GonNa do is essentially by this piece of land and in heritage insist on a loss but it's worth it because I'll be able to sell it for more than a future assist psychology. It is reflective of such a deep growth perspective in all mines that we're seeing. I'm going to buy this ache per one hundred thousand dollars knowing that this will not reduce income or s or any money unless I either sell it to somebody who's willing to pay even more than I did or I'm GonNa put another one hundred thousand into it to build something and actually get a year. The equivalent of that in the late cycle of dentistry is startups. People look around and they say well look combustible this money for chief just like we couldn't housing and or look people paying fifteen sixteen seventeen times that's crazy and it is crazy. But their notion that they can then immediately stocked you know create a startup and it will be supremely profitable. I would caution them against. I'm not to say this is a bad idea. But you better have a full cycle. Entrepreneurial Plan you better have one because as much as it is true you know we can say the eighteen tonnes ebitda is insanity. It isn't that doesn't just fine swinging for the fences early on in your career with no business experience and especially no full cycle business experience. This is what's missing in the consulting space. I don't know anybody else in the dental world even the victory world where there are advised us that it's not just survived previous recessions but actually crossley not. Mike is the financial crisis most most profitable time of my life and so my work with my clients over the last two years has been letting them know great all of the indicators feel real our late in the cycle Think about we're late in the cycle. Let's start getting ready for the rollover into the next half of the central so nights speak with my clients. Now I'm GonNa get text from them saying I've never felt more powerful will prepaid will confident. They have got trainings. We've done on case. Presentation is dialed in because what people want in a bear market is different than what they wanna hear on a walk. The cash reserves their investment strategy their margins and expenses. Everything is ready. It's ready for this. This is the time to shine. That's interesting do you. Do you feel when a startup or a dentist or somebody who wants to own. A business decides to be exceptionally optimism. Like extremely optimism is because they think they're exceptional. You know what I mean. Yeah there is always an element of exceptionalism that we bring twelve twelve four costea and his thing. If you are in business you are in the full costing business when you are a dentist and you decide to add one more or you are a veterinarian and you decide to bring on one more doctor or associate or whatever it is that is a full cost. We are automatically making a prediction. But it's really not up dixie. It is it is a projection projection. We are simply looking at what we've already experience and we're suming that that trend will continue so in the case of a lot of young. Docs they have come out of school in the lost in years they have never seen odd times now. This is nothing that they've done wrong. Mrs Davis No fall to this but all of their living professional data is rooted in the host cycle. Not The full cycle added to that. Dentistry has never been in this world before when I first started getting involved in advising dental practices years ago it was through on mutual friend. Kostis who is one of my clients and I show up in dentistry and I say here comes the hot money and all this hot many was in. This is where these eighteen eba does come from now. Everybody Dentistry becomes completely convinced that it is something about them that it's remarkable but it is just hot. Money and hot money is new to dentistry. But it's not new. I've seen it mining agriculture oil tech stocks housing mortgages finance. You name it. I've seen in all of these years even the safari business so not to go on about this. I'm sorry but but when we look at what what it is we're always bringing ourselves into how decisions so the data in dentistry is particularly tricky. Because while the rest of the world and the financial crisis will revenue declines of twenty eight on average the SNP actually the SNP decline revenue decline was fifty two percent during the lost crisis and valuations of business fell fifty six percent industry only so about fifteen percent contraction depending on where in the country. You were ten to fifteen cents. This is where it gets tricky. That is a fraction of what everybody else experienced and just like housing had never experienced Contraction before so therefore even been banenky was saying. It's not gonNA happen. The danger here is that even if we run the scenarios of twelve years ago in dentistry of contraction which was really modest and enough to make us feel really bold. We're overlooking the massive difference of debt service and leverage that is now in dentistry. That didn't exist. Twelve years ago nobody was paying these multiples. Nobody was getting a hundred percent finance with a five or ten year balloon paint. Nobody was doing this but they all now. So now we're going in with the debt service of five six seven stanton some cases a lot more when you factor in student loves even if we saw ten to twelve percent decline. That's the money you need to pay your debt service. Now you've accidentally taken a great idea but instead of building full psycho practice you've built a job so just something for people to bear in mind. This is not lost. Any seconds shut up is there is the advice that everybody is receiving with Ritz. Stay invested in stocks or always by mutual funds or. It's always a good time to buy a practice or a startup heavy. This advice is not bad. It's not wrong east people onto evil. They're not crooks it's not wrong. It's just incomplete. The idea for example of staying invested for the long term works but it only works about seventy five percent of the time. We could look at that he say that's no PROB. Do it will the problem. Is that other twenty? Five percent has existential risk inside it. If you go into the half of the cycle hyper aggressive with all of your chips. On the table you are completely invested in a very deep suction rooted in fuel point and a level of exceptionalism that will dentistry. Everyone always has teeth. And there's always going to be dimond. That's true just as true that everybody needed the house. But do they all need veneers do they? All need implants to their own. Need does align to you know what I mean. There's we know we actually know right now. What a world without elective dental whip looks like we're living through it right now no hygiene and nothing but pain and infection. As a stimulus where capitalist income to practice is not necessarily a folk cost. It's just to point out what is going on right now. Dentists are kind of squinting. Eyes looking post is if that makes it go away. But that's not the way to operate hope is not a strategy. You can build a beautiful strategy. I have bulletproof strategies map. Top for my clients But squinting your eyes looking away is not it you know. I think it's because like what you said a lot of times especially right now. I remember when I first Started this pandemic thing started. I was kind of like everybody else but at the first three weeks. I I reacted right. I didn't really slow down to create more intentionally. I was like I gotta start doing things. And I've noticed the interviews that there was a trend with a couple practices. And it's something you mentioned where okay well you know. This is not going to reduce our revenue two zero but it kind of is it kind of is. Yeah keep zero. Many meant most practices are at zero or bumping along at five eight cents seems to be averaged he sold in right. Now what do you think? Let me ask you then. Are we in a recession right now? Like what what is happening. I feel there's so much happening that it's hard to and even just not I think a couple of days ago it was pointed out that now we're hunger is a shortage of food is happening too. So did you know about the state like how? How can we have prepared for this? What are we going through right now? Will it was two years ago in March that I stood up at Offering more custos summit in March twenty eighteen and I started making the case that we are late in the business. At that point we will nine years in the longest expansion was untracked Longest extension in US history and my whole message. Was We all late in the soccer. There's no need to panic but there is a need for you to start anticipating turn. Dentistry is an autoimmune as we're learning now And it's certainly not immune to the departure of hot money which is what happens in every contraction and so. I had specifically warned everybody. I said my best thinking is that you should be ready. You should be prepared for on extradition by October of twenty nine thousand feet. There wasn't a prediction that would stop. Then it was simply a warning that you should be ready by October of twenty nineteen people would say well. No one's covered nineteen. That's true and I definitely didn't but the point is is that it didn't matter if you were anticipating turned Emma Cycle which is what it is just as the sun sets just as the seasons change. The market has a cycle. Is that if you were heavier on cash you had tight critical number of the things advice. Practice is about to get ready for it. It didn't matter whether it was coated. Nineteen Synon- ready now as it turns out October. Twenty nineteen is exactly win. The internal numbers of the economy started to turn down seventy percent of US GDP actually sixty eighth Is consumption that relieves city to the center. The economy to the about manufacturing shipping delivery service every single one of those indicators in that city two percent Keith and turn down in October of last year all that it took was a matter of time before consumers followed suit. And this happens all the time. We've had six recessions in the loss to fifty years fifty seven in the last fifty years they happen on average about every five to seven years And we we need to know that this is coming so I absolutely was anticipating being in recession by now the problem is that and so we really on that we absolutely are inducted to shoot you over some charts to show how what the impact is of what's actually going on it's pretty brutal of the NF. It's particularly hard in Canada. A lot of my friends at clients up in Canada are would do well to really pay attention to the particularly at the risk of course because of oil in shale oil in the impact. That's going to have on the Canadian economy. So unequivocally the United States in a recession who gets to make that Cole who makes the coolest the National Bureau of Economic Research The N. B. and they historic. Just give you an idea They warned us in. Subpoenas could be August July of two thousand eight that the. Us was in a recession and that recession had begun in January This happens all the time they show up because they need one two quarters of contracting GDP as their market that means that at best they will tell us six months after it's begun company to quotas so those of us that own businesses as I do I've employee's payroll separate sector. We need to be a little bit closer to the edge of the sphere in waiting for some bureaucratic office to tell us. What's about the time you've discovered it's almost too late. My concern is that it is that this is when I look at the internal underpinnings which deteriorated even foster than I had expected. We are dancing with distinct probability Becoming Depression Now I'm not saying that that doesn't excite me as say this is this is just news. Must share this with people. They get upset. As if this is something I want or I'm doom and gloom guy or I mean you know me I'm the most optimistic you'll meet I'm always stoked. The is a critical thing is. There's no good news or bad. News is just news that you were prepared for and used that you were not prepared for and so my job for my tides in large part especially on this half of the business is risk mitigation. My job is to fix. The problems now fosters puzzle and then get out a little ahead of them like a guide and say mortgage about this morning about this missile. We don't see that yet a silicate. What about Gianluigi? I'm very concerned about hygiene in dentistry. And I know that that took more about this social fear and how it manifests and so forth that is going to have very strong drag on dentistry dental clinics performs for reasons that I finish after gun to now so I go back to my clients and say this is a problem that I think and his the critical rule of attaining problem. You have every possible that not everything is culpable so my job is to say his the universe of possibilities which of these probable and then to rules if it is a high probability but a modest outcome it goes onto the planning list. We need a plan if it is a low probability but an existential high risk. It goes to the top of the list because only once. We've got a plan in place for the worst case scenario. Can we move from the once? We know how to protect ourselves in a basic street. Find in everything is good. Everything's we can go to bars clubs. Whatever no problem you know. It's the lack of a plant in a robust plant full cycle that that creates fear as I say. I'm actually remarkably optimistic my clients. They're actually stoke the radio and they feel like whatever comes good good from the scenario right now. Then how do you so for example? How do you prepare for a recession right now? Like while it's happening or is it too late or we have. It's not too late especially right now. We are enjoying what is called. A B wave bounce in market analysis and be waves will waive twos are fake rallies so with the first decline that happened February through the end of March. The Fastest fifteen percents in. Us market history of violent down. Wait this is waived one of what will be three wave hassle so think of it as a down beat up and see down. This is where technical analysis in experience in the investment world helpful because these are just businesses S. p. five hundred is basically just like five hundred dental practices they will have employees in payroll. So so how do we prepare? It's not too late. We'll talk about how. How they Mike's they might think about going about this. Wave a down creates absolute panic and the news follows. The news doesn't create the markets. News is history. Its recent history of this is what happened yesterday. This is what happened last month. This person said this last night. It's one that's making plans. Based on a history this short-term history is already lost so what follows then. Is this strong bounce. What's called A B waiver a wave to bounds? That's what we've enjoyed I have been talking about this in anticipating it in my facebook group and so forth. Here we are. We're going to get a beautiful opportunity for those who aren't reducing risk portfolio. We're GONNA get it in the next few weeks when the Dow Hits Twenty Four thousand so Dow hit twenty four thousand two hundred lost week. It's modestly below that and with it I had said we're going to get away of good news. It'll may be about the stimulus. Bill or a bailout. None of these were on Dick. We'll see case. Numbers Draw. This is what happens with weight to bounces. The news is suddenly positive and the trap sit so unfortunately this patent suggests that we are right now sitting atop the possibility distinct probability of a lodge see wave wave three decline in markets and then the economy wave threes are the violent ones. They are the largest of the three way form They tend to be the fastest. They do the most damage and they bring with it a lot of a lot of us so it is absolutely not too late. What a lot of dental practices don't realize is that there are things they can do. They're literary investment vehicles and things that are available to them that can hedge them. They connect hedge their practices against this possibility. My clients are fully engaged. Move to fully hedge position two weeks ago it. They're out there We can you know that's probably not appropriate to bring up now but this is a number that can do to offset the practice. Cash is king in a recession will already seeing that you consider for example cash is cash already buys you thirty percent more stocks than it did two months ago. It buys you eight percent more house and edited getting a ferry looking new home sales. It buys you. Wa buys you one hundred percent more oil which win negative on Monday. A this is important because if I was going to buy oil at fifty dollars a barrel and it falls to twenty five which it did I now have effectively doubled my money of doubled my purchasing instead of buying one barrel for fifty economic by two barrels for fifty and this is an obvious obvious to fact of what contractions to this is. Why cash reigns supreme. So is a number of things that need to consider a adjustable rate debt that they're carrying on the practice for their postal students. The employees on my goodness. Sorry Mike. I know I'm just not good. Shut up here but there is so much that can be done case. Presentation has to shift the way you speak to. Your patients has to change and we move from selling them on the beauty of what could be to protecting them from further harm. Because you can't do that Nipple Lock. Nobody's experienced the homes with Portfolios WITH IT businesses worth would make you more money. People are getting in bidding wars. Hire them so we were talking back at. The end of the cycle mocks mastermind throughout lost. Yet hey unemployment is at historic lows. This needs right now. It's hard to find good but as the Murals we're GONNA find incredibly high qualified people looking for work and you'll have your business but other things emerge in bear markets and this is all part of a training itself with the dominant. Be Putting up soon. Because I think people need to know this. What happens when people news things when people lose money income security status power instruments titles? They get afraid they get afraid that they will lose more and fearful people become angry. An angry people become desperate. This is why in recessions we see a spike in fraud embezzlement Drug and OPIOID use and theft from practices. People are trying to check We are extremely susceptible to touch of things. And it doesn't matter if pam has been working for you for ten years when Pam's husband who works in the Shipping Industry. That is completely shut down. Or He's oiling gas and he's gotten a job pam is now thrust into a position where it is survival. And if you're anything like me there are things I will do to feed my children. That will probably test the bounds of legality. If I was pressed that far so we can't blame these people and it's not to say you will be robbed from or your team will turn it against you but this is the risk and we just need to get in front of it. This means going back. Twelve operations manual. What is what is it inside. Al Package of benefits that were offering that was predicated on a growth mindset on on high revenue in high profitability. That is not necessarily going to be able to promise to respect Ford. I've got a number so it's about what is it inside. You'll coastal practice accounting system that you wear it do you have W have redundancies. Do you have a number of sits of is what she. Oh deposits reconciling your books and so forth these make you can get these things for very little money and they buy you a level of comfort and peace of mind that only my clients could speak to that is incredibly valuable so then right now. If we're I know we've probably been seeing some of the same post or maybe you've been hearing some of the same complaint in the sense of. I'M GONNA put my myself in the shoes of like maybe a practice owner startup. Who who just acquired a practice. Just did everything. Maybe a couple months open and all this happened apply for their. Pcp loan all these things and just now they're realizing nobody has my back. There is there is nothing I can do at this moment. What is the opportunity here? What is opportunity now that they can do off the I think the first thing they have to do. Is You know it's an old. It's an old truck in entrepreneurship. That's in order to create the results that others don't. We have to be willing to do the things that I do. And that's true and I believe right now. That is run the scenarios run the scenarios. We are in a sweet spot for people that are in that titus situation and and this is this is in order to make his point of and a half. To get a little bit apocalyptic just to frame it for cost is if we are for example staring down the barrel of a C waiver third wave down inequities global economy. Now we've had sixteen today another four and a half million people unemployed and that was a short week because of Good Friday so a lot of government offices wound even reporting the snouts suggests that the unemployment rate the get your mind around. This has gone from three point. Five percent in January two twenty percent. Today this is never been seen before. This is why I'm concerned about using the would to Christian so however we are enjoying a temporary reprieve. This wave to balance. That has people saying okay. The worst is over. I mean quite literally. Today's news on Bloomberg is another four point. Two million unemployed people file for unemployment claims and right beneath it. Stocks are up a quarter of a percent. Something had doesn't make sense. We've got four point. Two million less people buying iphones guaranteed four point. Two million less people getting aesthetic work and veneer since we need to equip. That's the reality. The point two five percent inequity rallyists just as I predicted a month ago. This problem but what should this person do? We are in a sweet spot where strangely banks Oslo willing to negotiate about debts about forgiveness about payment holidays and so on and so forth. This is an opportunity for us. That won't be the in six nine months time because right now banks are caught up in the same temporary Sense of optimism. Like a great. Now which you know the wishes over this is the time to stop pushing back on your vendors authentified. I did a Webinar weeks ago. Out which mark ten into a podcast and I literally just took my slides of what to do in to prepare for the recession from my march eighteen presentation and I just used them a game. The do these these things at tighten up your appeal. Colts could the pressure on your insurance companies. And so let them know that you'll sisson office that's going to constantly stay on Attention to your feet service versus. Ppo breakdown inside of your fifty so few of those work. What portion of that is is aesthetic or purely discretionary. What pain infection or something like that? They can do the numbers and then from that you can back out And Brunson scenarios. What else can they do? Kush back on vendors to negotiate contracts extend loan terms to whatever it is that you need to do. This is the hard work that most are not willing to do. If got the hidden the Sandinista. Nope we just going to open up. And it'll be huge pent up demand and we'll be back to the races that may be true and as an Iro really want that to be true but that is not my plan. My plan is to prepare for this then. If and win that eventuality comes to post. It's all gravy. I feel good now because I've got a plan and everything works out just as I would hope out stuck. That's how to run that risk. Mitigation that scenario planning gotcha. Yeah you're right. I think you've you said it. Lazy thinking punishes you in a recession. And it's true though cert- does not executing then. I mean you're going to be so it's time to take action now more than ever right. It's not time to sit back and relax and wait for our doors open. And everything like that. Exactly epic The full bellies make empty skulls and to certain extent we still kind of hatful. Billy's real little bit afraid but yet this is a concept to just share with our Francis Off. Got The problem. You don't actually have a problem. What you have is a situation and if you leave it as it is then you've got a problem. The problem is in not updating and tweaking an adjusting your strategy to account for the full market cycle. That's a problem. Meaning that if I if I eat a doughnut for breakfast I don't really have a problem. I just had a situation but if I don't change that as my morning breakfast if that is my plan going forward if I don't anticipate any shifts in behavior then I really do have a problem. And it ends in diabetes et CETERA. So this is the issue. People mistake their their condition for their problem. Or even you know that's not the case. I have a quick question. What's a full cycle? Entrepreneurial Plan so the full cycle entrepreneur is somebody that's getting back to my own experience back in one or two. How is if nobody told me about this? You know I expected it back in Africa but I didn't expect it hands. Mary lazing lucky to be all of. That's true but I had to go to my employees and let people go and awful. I think in fact my ticks toward a talk about the actual catalyst the moment where I was standing in the grocery store and my then two year old goats or eighteen months ago was on my wife's hip and I had done the same thing. Nelson done loaded up on rental properties super aggressive in mind distance and now fell myself upside down fifty percent down on my equity portfolio clients. Money's losing money might income imploded and I bought a bunch of groceries. We were GONNA stay with some friends and he was A. He's a interventional radiologists spectacular home. Beautiful visit them. And I said I'll do the crossroads shop and I'll bring it over and we'll have an alert of grocery Called for two hundred and fifty bucks later was joined a dollar with countries. Mccown was declined declined for that amount of money and I looked over and my daughter ahead on a ship had opened a bag of carrots in the grocery store jennings carrots and the amount of shame that I felt was so profound that I cut down my groceries to whatever amount that apparently was in my account that was listed three hundred dollars and you know my might payments let my income. Hadn't come through. It wouldn't come through for the next couple of days. I was literally paycheck as a business owner and I remember walking out of that growth. She's tool and feeling like I could just end at home. Associate is my wife. I'm the sole provider family. We're going to stay with these very wealthy successful friends about and I could barely come out of my room. I was so disgusted and it was then that I said to myself. This will never happen to me again. I'll never do the gang to find myself. Ill prepared for the other side of the cycle. So what I did is I sit about learning and required going back and going back back in learning about cycles jugglers cycles karate of rage credit cycles. And I mean I when I tell you that I research things back all the way to Dutch stock prices in the seventeen hundreds. I became an absolute student of the giant game that I was playing in of global when he comes and from that I gained a number of insights and those insights included into more relevantly to your will your area of expertise what changes in social appetites through contractions people watch different movies. They eat different food. They recreate differently. We have different appetites views on marriage on six on clothing on music everything shifts. You know for example if there's only been one movie that has a horror that won the Oscar for best picture silence of the lambs violence of the lambs in nineteen ninety. Two what happened in ninety two. We were in a recession recession again. In one thousand nine hundred ninety ended in nineteen ninety two and with it we trundled off for a officiant Iraqi Freedom in the first invasion of Iraq. When people are afraid they look things reflect how they feel. When you scroll through Netflix or Amazon. You pick things that reflect how you feel if you're feeling really dark and stormy you don't pick a company if you pick you know if you are sad what this we just need to you know the only other times that horrors have been nominated for. Best Picture. Nineteen seventy-three the exorcist. Nineteen seventy-five Joel's these were inside of the worst bear. Markets in recession. Double Dip Recession. Seventy two and seventy four the worst economic environment since the Great Depression. This is it's not that these movies went V. Nate. It's that we didn't want to watch them. As it turns out the seventies the stock period spat out some of the most terrifying movies in history. You know Psycho Changeable Masoka Alright Cetera et CETERA. Really doc stuff to this day as I say the excess things that to this day if teenagers having the scary SLEEPOVER PARTY. Those are the movies they watch. We have to learn to change our narrative. It's not a coincidence. That during that dark period of the nineteen seventies women's good struck down to the floor we had a Scott cold. The Maxi colors were Brown. Cleavages recovered up excuse me etc etcetera conservative thing. Crappy architectural design institutional eastern bloc looking architecture. You see when you drive around just cities what was built from seventy to seventy eight is Scott. The least natural light a lot of concrete. It's all about utility and conservation fast forward to two thousand and we've got completely different music. We've got Britney Spears with a super high S- good and fair and People Watch Shrek and family a feel good stuff. This is we like so knowing this gives us an immeasurable in insight into how we are behaving how we can dial on message. Even simple things like the shape of automobiles goes from square in bull markets to rounded in their minds. Look at the shape of cause in the nineteen thirties. This is this is those of the nineteen sixties completely different. The font that we like the colors that we use it's a. It's a profound thing. Wow that's so interesting. Do you think if we maybe look at this. Enc- Warrior. We look at this and see the struggle more as a privilege instead of a Chore That. Change our mindset or like our the way we're thinking of our environment or it's more like no that's that's almost like a fallacy. Like don't don't do that. Just think of it as acknowledging what you're going through and then that's it no absolutely agree with you. I do think it's it. It's a tremendous gift but it's a gift it's a it's either a you know there's two ways we can learn a lesson we can seek it out or we can have thrust upon us but these lessons lie ahead for entrepreneurs and this is why. I'm kind of coming out of the woodwork. Because these messages that need to get out. The their practices and families lives that can be protected from embracing this. The only thing that's required is two things one is intellectual dynamism and the other is intellectual. Courage what bear markets recessions due to us is they force to changes is the forced change of our expectations of what it is. That's going to happen and the second is when it's going to happen so if I had this grant plan that my five Dr Visit Hospital. I'm going to leverage up and sell to private Equity Group for example and I thought I would execute that in twenty twenty. I'm just making this up. I now have to deal with us to realities. Am I going to get that price? No and if I if I am going to get any price win will be so what I expect and when I expected and if we have the courage the intellectual courage to make that shift we will hit of all of our peers that I like that because I feel like Alice trouble. You kind of preaching you're talking about is how we hear a lot of the Times from advice from books in all these things is like how to how survive a recession. But I feel like you're more talking about how to thrive in like I said like a enter. The housing bubbles catch was an incredible time in my life of financial crisis. Most profitable time as say. I'm living in the mansion on the ocean for less than the property taxes. That's the home that my kids grew up and to this day. My kids now. Seventeen and fifteen say they look back and say it was so strange. That was when my friends. Cindy's parents corrupt volts. That's when ankle. Mike lost his business. That's win and they realized that they were completely protected from this is entirely possible. There is nothing amazing about me but there is about this insight. To this lost twenty five percent of the Gurus Advice. That is missing is on bad people but only have to do is look at when these books because they are speaking to a cycle that is already ended they are. They are selling summer and harvest strategies in economic wind and it cannot work. I've tried and I've watched hundreds of people I know love and care about try the time when when people get lazy and or even if they're not there they might be physically inky energetic but intellectually lays out of conversation with DOC. I know couple of weeks ago. Nine is a good friend of mine. Sure about him but he is completely incapable of hearing anything other than what he was already planning on and so his plan is just to redline this practice just two more of what he was already doing even harder. And it's not gonNA work. It's exactly what I did in two thousand one and that was always always unemployment to seven percent. We post seven percent in a week. So yeah. They're all this solution and I'm excited to be a part of it. I'm excited about and so excited to share this spirit people from home. And if I have a mission right now on. It's to help. Produce more full cycle entrepreneurs that's Michael. It's not too late. In fact no amount if this continues its trajectory continues mine capable look back and they will realize that. No amount of preparation was too much which Houston. Yeah Wow man. That's amazing. Yeah most of US guys anybody listening later. I mean for you listening most of us. We we like me. We acknowledge our fears and we kinda tend to stop there but if we can continue like all of a sudden push forward and start strategizing right not just hoping 'cause I mean hope feels nice but it doesn't do nothing else for tat. It really just gives us a good perspective. Like yeah things are going to get better but how you have to have a strategy in place a plan in place to actually make things better. It's it's in it's in you. It's in your hands and that's exactly an I still have my hope. My hope is sitting right there on my whiteboard next to a multi phase. Plant still got it. I can still be stuck but I can do it from a position of power of conviction. And that's how I choose to operate because I've got mouths to feed at dozens of employees. I have children that have gone to college. On the primary income provider in my household the stakes are high. And I might choose to put my head in the sand and just hope is a plan but when I walked through my home and I see those that I'm serving and protecting. Are they doing that? Do they know that my plan is just hope this go. Yeah I love it. I love it a lot already Australia. I appreciate you so much. Thank you for coming on but before we say goodbye. Can you tell our listeners where they can find you? 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Mason and Ireland (Hr 1)

"How about that for a Sunday? Wow. Crazy playoff games. Thrones avengers broke every record L. Now. You you. Yeah. Steve mason. Yep. So both. Yes. Avengers. What endgame what's called ventures on game? I saw it on Friday night. We'd the big screening at the regal L. Okay. So if I told you. Yep. You can only watch one but not both endgame or thrones. Where you're going. What is there a third option? No, there's no one chicken. They're both great. I heard I haven't seen. I'm not a marvel ventures. Endgame is fantastic. But. I would probably choose game of right now. We got an issue here. Gregson is both text Chris. Nice hat. Chris. Morales is walking zero this week the Friday Friday, we're doing we're doing every show except Stephen A from an El Torito in orange. Yeah. L thereto are Friday L day broadcast, celebrating Cinco Demayo El Torito at the outlets in orange that starts with the morning show. Six AM all the way through the Sodano show. Happy hour specials five dollar Takata four dollar L. Humidor shots. You can come when Mason in Ireland t shirts tickets more. All right. So l trio and orange Friday make plans to be there. Now, we have a rule, and we actually debated it for a really long time. Yes, that we're gonna do a two day moratorium on all game of thrones. And we created this segment talk thrones on Wednesday. We bring Michelle Beedle in that way. We give you guys because a lot of people go away on the weekends. It gives you two days to watch it before we talk about. Yes. Gregson a text this morning to the two of us. And he said, I think we have to throw the three day moratorium out the episode was that good. And I don't say this often. Yup. But Greg, I think you're right. You may want to save that on tape. I I just holy no hate that. Yeah. I don't know how we don't talk everywhere. Now. Here's the problem. How could you miss it? The overwhelming Mason, I've been doing this so long that we know the overwhelming majority of our listeners listen to us in their cars, and they tune in and out. Yes, you guys pop into the store you pop in for lunch. Yep. You come back out. If we throw out the moratorium and talk about what happened last night, which again, I think we should strongly. Consider. We're going to screw. It is inevitable thing. He has people think this is a spoiler free zone until Wednesday. But if you I don't know if I care if you are on Twitter right now there it is void if you're on the internet, right? If I have four emails that I got today just saying review of game of thrones in the headline of the Email. So and so kill so. And so yeah. So if we agree to end the moratorium, I know we're gonna screw some people. I'm not sure that I care. But you to you to have always said, you hate callers. But you love the listeners. Correct. The listeners are who we and listener listeners are far more callers like a little tiny percentage. One percent at one percent. Now, here's the thing. Do this open the phones eight seven seven seven ten ESPN. Okay. One question. Should we end the more, Tori? Just screw it and talk thrones. Because I have on your Twitter timeline view at your Twitter time and Mitrou. Everybody's saying screw the more tour. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. They're saying you have to talk about it. It's all anyone's talking about if you turned in any morning TV show. Oh, I mean, I'm like I've flipped around this morning. And there's they they're showing the actual clip of the actual thing of the thing that happened between the person sent out a tweet saying who did it better with the the scene that capture late. Really? Yeah. He said 'cause I deliberately didn't I don't usually tweet on the weekends. But I was not going to tweet last night. In fact, I texted Grega one point and said, did you watch? And you said no not to goes to bed one tweet from you one. Yup. And this is all it had ten exclamation points. And that's it because I told you. Lisa had a party thing going on. Yeah. I did not see it live. It's all you didn't see at least started at seven fifty. Before greg. Joel all you saw the I didn't spoil anything. Exclamation matter. Of fact, I stayed away from my phone because that was a repeat of a tweet I got from Beata last night at exactly seven thirty of twenty exclamation points. I thought beetle that is a few to me at Greenwich to screen these let me. Hey, SPN LA who's this? Favor. Pay. Should we talk about thrones? Or not. Yes. By the way, fever. I think the island one fever in the world that that guy was at our screening wasn't hung up. Hey, yes. Fiene LA who's this? Air air. Should we talk about thrones? Or not absolutely. All right. Hey, SPN LA who's this? This is Terry promotions. Terry from oceanside, shall we talk about thrones or not van too much going on with football and everything. So I say no just Wednesday to one all right? Hey, SPN LA who's this? Ryan Ryan, should we talk about thrones? Or not no, please. Do not talk about. Okay. A lot of these. Did you watch it or not now I haven't seen it yet? So it's now to to how do you not should we allow this to be the deciding vote, whoever this is I I've yet to answer the phone or are we screwing it. It's too divided right down the middle two guys. Because there's no way to warn the audience we could warn him to death. But because people get in and out of their cars, right to listen to Mason. We're gonna screw some people. The question is do we care that we would be screwing people. I believe you're the one who came up with the day. But last your own rule last night was so big, and is so all over social media that I don't think there's any way for anybody to possibly avoided the just heard from two of well, I think one of those is just doesn't want to hear anything about game of thrones. Because there we still have those people to we have those people are game with diving amounting to talk about the six round draft pick. Yeah. Bengals let's take one more just so we've angle shit. ESPN LA who's this? Tarzana hell with throwing Gaiger in idiot. We want to. Who's this? This is Juan I one very important question. Should we talk about game of thrones today or not? Yes. Absolutely. All right. Thank you. There. You have it. So the vote is three two two. Yup. Greg. What do you wanna do? I wanna talk came through kidding me as a Mason. What do you wanna do? I say go. Straight out with. So it's unanimous. We know we're going to screw some people. But we'll give you very few will give you enough. We'll give you three minutes to and I'll send out a tweet. We're we're violating our own rule. We are going to because there's just too much going on. I think I can talk about generically for a second. I can only think of one other show that ever delivered on the hype like last night did. Yep. It was the penultimate episode of breaking bad. I can Mandy s or is Amanda bandies. It's the last time. I remember sitting in front of a TV and doing nothing else. Not having my phone in the room, not having a computer in the room. Not letting anyone else in the room talk to me. That's how good that breaking bad episode was last night was the same thing. Although did you have the the number one complaint of people if there is a complaint about the show was that especially the first forty five minutes was too dark in. I'm when I say dark like not a deterrent the brightness. On your TV I didn't go that far. I turned. I watch Dr issue with it because it was dark, right? If. Rich. It's there's I mean the lighting the night king. Brought it man he brought all the winner with them. Winter was coming for a long time. And finally got there. You couldn't see stuff. Could that was the type exactly that was the type that it was around? Then would you want? Good lights coming from everywhere on on a spotlight on John snow as he ran around though, it was dark should be that way. Clearly agree. Okay. So I'm okay, we're going to wrap I'm typing. We're going to break our own three day moratorium on talking about game of thrones, consider yourself warned next. But right now, John I want you to watch the tweet I'm going to send right now. You're not going to record for everybody. I'm sending out a tweet right now. Well, mine's gone mines into the mines gone right now. Okay. Don't be Leshan. Mccoy's. All yeah. You're not gonna Shawn McCoy peop-. Oh, you just suck. You did you Leshan McCoy somebody just did you just Sean McCoy d- people, not even I would have done that. Sorry. If you haven't seen it by now, Hugh or just not a big fan. Okay. So here's your this is not a time for casual people like it's been ten years. We've been waiting for last night, or you know, watch it on Thursday seriously. Get around to it. On Tuesday night, big John to Ireland. If you're gonna talk about game of thrones. I'll just switch right now to Fred. I've never watched one episode of game of thrones. But I listen to sports talk radio here about sports, John. You should listen to Fred, I'm gonna tell you right now, an anti video should they think we're only gonna talk about sports, the reason, we're the most popular sports talk show in Los Angeles. This guy talk. This is not sports. We're talking about if you want we talk about our own lives. We talk about Greg's life. We talk about you are not what we want for a listener. So there you go. Certainly I mean. You really gonna get sports over this. That's a real question. We should be asking. All right. So coming up next. We'll talk about the the big moment. Also, all kinds of stuff going on James harden thinks he gets fouled on to say. A lot of locked and loaded to go. A lot to say about Mason, Ireland ESPN ESPN Mason in Ireland last night for my money. The single best ninety minutes of television. I think maybe I I know hyperbolic wanna think maybe the best I've ever seen. Well, yeah. Osmania says the one is the comp, but it was better than the sopranos finale. And this was the finale there two more it absolutely more lived up to the hype. There's three more two more three more. We've had three so far. So some guy one Frau sto- if you don't talk about thrones. I'm going to switch over to Fred. Well, one welcome. Thank you. Okay. Here's the thing. I. When I started watching that. I just I've been glued to a TV show like that. It was a year was so tense. I was like sitting up. She was walking when Ari was walking through the crypts. Like, I just had somebody who's going to jump out at any second. It did I thought sons and Tyrian were getting it done in the crypts absolutely at the scene where they hold hands. And she takes out the needle was like, okay. They're getting it. Yep. I thought when John snow stood up to face the the dragon that had gone bad at that. He was getting it. Well, let's let's start let's start here. So first of all, I'm not sure where she came from. But read woman came back Mel Sandra came back. Now, she's good with the fire and she rides up with a horse. She knows how to start. She's Lord of light lady. They call her Lord of light lady. She walks up and she lights up all the doth Rockies sits right called sits sites sites. She said raised tell them to raise their sword. Racer swords. Got like sites or blades. So and then they they ride off and poof. On by one one by one. They all go out, the doth Raqi here, we've been waiting all this time. We've got the the unsullied we've got the doth Raqi we've got every army possible. And they did a good job. I don't know if he gets noticed. But there were three or four minutes at the start of that episode resume dialogue was just set up. Yeah. Do you guys? Notice what the very first words were. Literally, the very first words anybody says, yeah is when Sam finally shows up and gets in line with the army and the guy next to him goes, oh, it's about f- entire exact verse thing, I don't know how Sam survives that thing. Most of the time on his back. And by the way, that was Ed that was standing next to him. And he the thing that he said in earlier episodes was I just wanna be burned. Just burn me. If I I don't wanna come come back burned and he dies, and nobody burns him back as a white wall. And unless face it it looked impossible for them to win. I mean, once they very good job of you after mitt my prediction that the night king on top about sixty minutes into that looked pretty good. I thought there is Ireland's right guy. And then all of a sudden it all turns once they started making the body bridges across the mode, and then they started standing on each other's shoulders to get up the sides of the wall. Very smart. They are these guys. Are not messing around. These white walkers are tough as sons a gun with that though when so they all the white walkers are standing behind the flames, right, right? And John snow has already landed his dragon on the top of winner for this that there's just standing there. They're all standing behind the phone. Just get up on your dragon and burn the hell out of everybody. Right. Why don't they why why is just standing? There were a lot of Weiss legs. A lot of wise. The nearest kind of jump the gun when she took the dragons into the fight, right? Because that left that left winter fill that left the castle and the Crips without a dragon, correct? But I- trouble figuring out which dragons were were like how many are left now to to there too. But the only way I was talking to l z a little while ago. The only way I know there are two is that in the scenes of coming attractions the preview for next week. There's a shot with two dragons. So even though that one drag and there, and so the the bad the one that the nineteen flipped has gone gone. Right. Right. So she still has control of two of our rights. And like Cari was getting all stabbed up by all these? I don't eat. Right. That's a dragon name. It sounds like a dragon. Cari, isn't it one ragle or whatever? I don't know. But then John snow go they land that dragon. He falls off the dragon and the see it against you don't know whether it's alive or dead. But you're Suming to dragons to jagged upset that may have been dead. Eighty minutes may have had more killing in it than any John wick. That was like unbelievable amount of death. It was unreal. And I, you know, here's the thing about a twist ending. A twist ending has to be fair. Like there has to have been there in order for that unless it's Golden State and Houston in in in for that ending to work. And I think it's when are you does get the night king for that ending to work. There had to be lots of evidence that it was going to be her all the way along, and as I think that and I did not see it come into common. No. But Mella Sandra in season three told her I got about it. No. And even last night even last night. She goes, I know you what do you say to the God of death? Not today. Brown eyes. Green eyes blue eyes on what the night king with the blue eyes. It was all there, even when the. Wind like blue the one white Walker. The the assistant white walkers. I still like, oh, well, it's it's over, and I never would have guessed that aria would have come up and done it. And then are you comes up doesn't gets her by the throat, and I'm like, oh shoot. I mean, she's gonna go the way of lady Moremon, right way. Give it up for lady more Mont that little girl. You went out really went out with a bang kill the giant. That was great. She dropped aria dropped the blade into her hand or other Brienne just last season. Well, somebody had a great Meam said what's a better hand? Switch Jordan in the NBA. Or are you? There are so many NBA aria memes out there right now, there's a great aria Koby Meam. That's out there. Actually, your guys. Did that right? Yeah. Our guys did that Cho Koby me my son out. I love the the goat me more. You just draw. The a twain the, oh and the tea and you put Arias face on it. There's a great one with Damian Lillard when he just staring into the camera with everybody piled on. Him around him. That's a great one to one. Yeah. I know. Here's a here's a procedural question. Are you still change faces? Yes. She hasn't done it yet. Maybe maybe she didn't. She was she changed face into a white Walker to get into the whole middle. Right. We don't know exactly what she did nortre to get to the position that she was into that. She was going to do. It was incredible. I really honestly I was a little bit relieved on his over. Because I thought it was a little too much to take. I was like I was like, oh, I can't let Lisa looked at me after his over. She goes can we watch veep now? I know, you know, Pete, by the way, hilarious, great pallet. Cleanser, you were able to watch something afterwards. I was I was oh I like to watch something afterwards. They're they're like staring at my phone. I don't I don't know what to do with. Yeah. It was so unreal. And now, you've got three episodes left for all the politics of the thing. And I think just my favorite part of the show. It's going to be a lot of palace intrigue and politics, and you know, you could see down in the crypts. Who's the Natalie Emmanuel character Santi? I think. Santi got upset when Santa called her the dragon lady and Tyrian didn't correct her. So now Tyrian and Masan d you're going to have a thing. Right. John. And and denarius clear gonna work it out. They're not backing they're not in love anymore. That's there's no love there anymore. I think one of them could kill the other one. I mean at the end everybody's going to be out to get search as no way. Search the sets up you get a redo how're you going to go down to to king's landing. Anyway, you have no droop. They have no army. They have nothing they lost solely. They lost the death Raqi. So you get to do a repick on who you think is going to be on the iron. The night king. I think I've got it. But I do it Wednesday when we beat on. All right. I'll get a redo I'll get a mulligan. All right. All right. Coming up next. What the heck happened at the end of that warriors rockets game craziness people are people defense if you're fan one of those teams, you're crying that you got screwed the truth is it's pretty simple and I'll explain coming up history. DSP LA Mason Ireland don't forget you can join us at El Torito for our fiesta Friday all day broadcast to celebrate. Cinco de mayo on Friday this week El Torito at the outlets in orange off the five at city drive or the Fifty-seven off Chapman. All right. So yesterday's it. Looks like the play playoffs are going to be great. These series are really between the team and was us. Impressive over the weekend. Was Boston Boston was they now appears I've been telling everybody that how impressed I've been with Milwaukee it now appears that they're not ready for the state. Here's the thing. So I watched the countdown show. Oh, yeah. With Paul Pierce already declared him. I mean, Paul Pierce picked him to go to the finals before the gap. And then pulse. Paul Pierce play the majority of his career way. Yeah. But why did he pick Milwaukee to go to the finals before the bit? Now, he says it's over he says it's over one. Here's the thing that people, and this is going to lead into my discussion about the words, and the rockets one of the hardest things to explain to casual NBA fans people that don't watch a ton during the regular season. This is in a lotta ways you I'm a casual baseball fan. And then I watch all the playoff games your casual bass hitting you pretty much all the playoff games. It is a in ways. You cannot almost explain it is a completely different game in the postseason. The biggest difference is the star players all play forty minutes. Okay. So let me just stop you. Right there. I watched Steve javale yesterday. Go on the countdown post game show, and he said, there's no such thing as a playoff call and a regular season call there are just caused are you saying that Steve javale is wrong. No, I'm saying I didn't even bring up the referees. I said that the star players all play forty minutes. So you look at these numbers like Kobe, right? Had forty six or so rotations Mace rotations are gone rice guys. Just stay out there. You say Yokich in that game seven over the weekend. Play the whole fourth quarter for the second time all year. So now, you have the best players are out there all the time. And the best players in the world. The guy's like harden are incredibly difficult to officiate. So the big controversy after game one of rockets warriors is about landing zone grant that if the defender the way most people understand this rule is that if the defender goes straight up if he has verticality, yes, he cannot be called for a foul if he doesn't if you're coming up for shot, right? Even if you're leaning forward if I go straight up, that's not a Falun. You've got to provide a space for the guy to land. Right. Not allowed to step in the place where he supposed to land right now. Here's where it gets tricky. And it's going to be tricky for the rest of the rockets warriors series. James harden is so smart that he figured out at the start of this year. Go watch tape of James harden early in his career when he's playing for Oklahoma City or even his first couple of years in Houston. He wasn't hit. In the floor. Every single time shoots those threes. He wasn't fallen down. He figured out that if he jumps forward into their landing space. He'll get calls into the interview just fan landing. Right. He'll get calls because the officials haven't figured out yet. How do that gray juicy? Oh, he James harden got hit foul. So he's been getting that call all year. James harden leads the NBA in free throws. And so you heard Steve javale say there's no difference between the postseason and the regular season. You heard people say it's a foul in the first quarter. It's a foul in the house. Correct baba. Here's the difference. All the rookie young referees are gone, none of those guys around anymore. It's the veteran officials who are going to do all these games now. So these officials don't buy when they know what hardens doing right, but but those calls in the first half the Klay Thompson on James harden calls and the NBA's acknowledges they blew those calls. Those call in in those particular calls Klay Thompson was taking away. The landings James harden was not getting the call not only that if you watch Shaun Livingston go into Chris Paul. He basically high fives him the warriors have are banking on the fact that okay, what are you? When I always say in the playoffs. The really good veteran. Officials trying not to decide the game. Right. Let the players play. Right. The warriors. No. That James harden has been selling and getting that call all year, and by the way to an annoying degree this one of the reasons why I don't like James Harden's games. So now, we come to the postseason you combine it stars out there. Yeah. Klay Thompson it Steph curry, it's Kevin Durant. These officials are trying very hard not to foul stars out. They want the stars control the game. Right. So when they see hardened jump forward. He's been doing it all year and the young vet the young officials in the. Have gone oh, contact foul. So the young officials were out during the regular season gone. Oh, and now these veteran officials are like letting the players decide this, right? So now, there are a lot of people think that they're that the rockets because this is an issue, and it's going to be in the focus of every talk show today that that hardens can shoot thirty free throws on Tuesday. I don't I think that what's happening is harden is hitting the deck every time trying to get that call and the only way they're going to give it to him is if it's a hard contact foul, they're not going to and what I would tell people do is watch hardens legs watches feet. He kicks his feet forward. All right. So even though if the defenders coming towards him, right hardens kick and forward. So it's kind of like if I've got my hands like pointed like, a triangle it Mason. It's kinda like I'm jumping towards you and your jumping towards me like he's trying to sit down into a lounge chair perfect. Great analogy. And so he's trying to have his lower legs kick into the other people's legs. Yep. Even if they have verticality, or if they don't end the officials are like this is a this is games ship, not five. Here's here's my interpretation Willard on yesterday, especially after listening to javale after the game. So in the first half harden was not getting those calls did not get those in the fourth quarter. And the NBA is knowledge. Those were they he should have had those calls in those cases Klay Thompson was denying. James harden, a landing zone. So what happened was because James harden didn't get those calls in the first half. He went to an even exaggerated way to try to get those calls in the second half. He really went to that lounge chair position. Rand the calls were correct that call on the last play the game was correct James Harden's legs went into the defender as opposed to him having any level of verticality. And here's the problem. It's a lot like political debate. Dates you could make the argument, particularly the case, this Shaun Livingston Klay Thompson that they were moving forward. Okay. But if you're Klay Thompson and your closing out on me and you're running forward. And I kick my legs into you. Even though you're moving forward. I kick my legs into you. Right. Who's that foul? You kick your legs into me. You're moving forward. Right. You don't have verticality I'm shooting and doing your lounge chair thing I'm shooting and kicking my legs into you. Who's at a Falun? You know, what the risks are saying? No foul. Correct. They're going the, right. These guys are both trying to play us. We'll let the players decide it, and they'll figure it out. Right. So yeah, I I actually like some of those new calls because I saw you remember that Chris Paul call. And the James harden, call from the second half that have been magnified. Neither one of those should be fall. I mean, Chris Paul is like contorted himself wrecked. Hip out legs full trying to draw a call, and he shouldn't get it. Something happened in a Lakers rockets game this year that predicted all of this that we should have seen it. Then and gone. Oh, that's hard to do. And I'll explain coming up way. Why this ties to the Lakers Mason Ireland ESPN LA high? What is up it is Monday dafter game of thrones Monday after avengers endgame? Give me the thirty seconds on. How the screening went Friday night screening was a blast people had now this one explain what we're talking about. Yeah. We did a screening of ventures endgame on. On Friday night at the regal cinemas in LA live along with Carl's junior. Great crowd out there. Everybody had their burgers show is I saw some pictures really liked the food. Everybody loved the food. Everybody loved the Carl's junior. A lot of big Mason Ireland fans out there people brought their kids, Greg. You're there you brought your kids. Right. I did. And they had your kids weren't going. No. My my one daughter, my Michelle's daughter came, and she she laughed. She cried. She was in was a mess through a lot of people a lot of people do cry now. Great, Katie it turn out that Leshan McCoy wrecks the end. Yes. Absolutely. And actually an actually Steve texted me the next day and said now that I've seen the movie the Shawn McCoy is in blink then Mason, you just did that for game of thrones. No, no. But there's a there's a difference between what the treat you sent out about game of thrones. And what he did it on opening day before anybody before anybody. He did it talk. I won't and we will. Not spoil the ending ventures on game because people see movies at a different. So let me let me pay off my Laker analogy, Lakers and rockets. Okay. Earlier this year in a game, and Michael and I actually saw this in real time in commented on it. Lebron got so tired of hardened doing this kick the legs out thing. Yup. That lebron. And he was getting so many calls in a game. We did in Houston. You guys can Google this and you'll see it LeBron played on two consecutive series defense with his hands behind his back. In other words, just approve right? I can't be fouling him. All right. So he had his hands behind his back up. Standing up to harden going. Okay. Now, tell me how I'm fouling him because harden was kicking into LeBron jumping forward into his landing space. And so this has been an issue all season long, and the verdict the way you should pay atten-. Into it is go back and watch teams harden five six years ago. Right. He wasn't hitting the ground every time he shot at three pointer. No now, it's it's honestly, it's because he's smart. He's falling down almost every time. Everybody say you said it earlier all that's why I don't like hard news a flopper, but he wouldn't be doing it. If he didn't know the rest would give him these call. I'm not saying it's not affected. I'm just saying. It's not a when you watch Golden State the ball movement and beautiful shooting, and you know, it's completely different dribble gerbil dribble flop. And I think, you know, the Golden State Warriors didn't take the bait yesterday, although Darrow more. Did you see Darrell Maury said, no? But I I wouldn't be surprised Daryl Maury. Let's see receiving find this. Mark Cuban tweeted, the two minute reports should be very interesting enduro Maury tweeted back sub tweeted that we've been working on this since two thousand six. So what he's referring to is that Darrow Maury in the rockets Daryl Morey in that very analytical mind they've analyzed each of these referees. And they've analyzed them over a long period of time. And then they've talked to their players about things, they should and shouldn't be able to get away with with I three I think, that's brilliant. I mean, it's like he's he's one step ahead of the game. A lot of the time except it didn't work. That's what pitchers used to say. Like like hall of fame pitchers like Greg Maddox used to say, I know every Empire Strikes. I know what calls all get in which ones I won't. And harden is I give them a lot of credit because you know, he was the MVP last year for reason writing and he's gonna finish first or second. Again this year he knows how to get results, and he has been landing on his wallet all year, and he's been getting that call. But that doesn't mean it's always a foul now. You something this is from. Let's see Sam amick. About. About the rockets enduro MAURICE approach he says, this was about the NBA most analytically minded organization deciding long ago that all the data in this heavy hitter match approves their point the warriors as they see. It are getting the kind of officiating edge that simply must be stopped in game one confirmed their fears that this playoff battle with the warriors might be just as painful as the last when it comes to officiating, and they go back and they analyze their last series, which of course, was the series where Houston loss, Chris Paul and ultimately right glossy game seven lost in game seven and they went and they analyzed it. And they feel like there's a huge disparity in terms of calls, and they've looked they've broken these down and they've right, Adam. And they've said, no, look, they are definitely getting more calls, and it's kind of caused their Golden State. Well, here's the thing. I've said this, you know, anybody who's listening to the show over the years. Shaquille O'Neal either committed a foul or got fouled on every single play thing about that. Right. Shack would catch the ball. There were guys hanging on him. Like tree ornaments. That's a foul. Yup. But because he was so big it was the only way to guard him. And then when when guys would hang on him shack would turn and swing his elbows and clear the guys out. So he could shoot the ball. And that's probably a Falun check. But you can't call it every single time look at the star power and Golden State all right, Steph curry and Kevin Durant. Cannot be guarded one on one. They can't right? It's impossible. So they're probably getting fouled on almost every play. Right. The official can't call all of them. But they're gonna have to call some of them. And they feel like if you're gonna do that for Durant and harden, then you should do it for Chris Paul and James harden. But if but again using your own model here evidence indicates the James harden sheets more free throws than. Anybody coordin- Steph curry more than Kevin Durant lot. So harden is getting those calls just didn't get him yesterday. NBA has acknowledged that there were three plays in the first half where they missed. It were James harden was not given a landing space by I think in all three cases Klay Thompson. Okay. Many not it a landing space. And James harden didn't get the call. All right. So if again, let me let me, and this was probably one of those three calls your Klay Thompson the basket is behind you. I'm James harden guy got to think about coming at me your closing at you. I'm coming at you to shoot it and I'm vertical. Well, even if you're not even if you're coming at me, and you're leaning forward, you're closing out. Okay. Okay. I am shooting and kicking my legs forward into you. Even though you're not vertical is that a foul on you. I kicked my legs into you. Even though you were coming at me, you weren't straight up. You're coming at me. But I kicked my legs into you think about your lounge chair. Now, I did the last year. But I will I will a me or you on the three calls that that were highlighted, right? He didn't do the full lounge chair. Okay, wasn't given land space. But I'm, but my my argument, and my argument would Meyer would be the because he didn't get those calls in the first half. He also, he he exaggerated it cra- great degree. And that's why I didn't get the calls in the second. And my counter that would be he has done it so much all season that the referees. No, he fakes it. And so even in instances, like the three you're talking about that if we were living on Mars, and we came down, and we just we didn't know the names James harden. Klay Thompson, we'd go. Oh, yeah. That's a foul on on the warrior. He doesn't get them. Harden, doesn't get it. Because they know he's trying to sell it every single time. Right. If every single time, I'm trying to grab your wallet. And your wallet goes missing one day. And I know I didn't take it. I'm your first fact, right? I'm always grabbing at your wallet. Yeah. He's always kicking his legs out. He's trying to sell it on every play. He cries wolf so much that when it actually is a foul. He's not always going to get it. Right. And having said all that he still shoots more free throws than anybody. Yeah. And by the way, and they also didn't shoot well from three just period yesterday. I think he and Gordon combined for what nine three point three pointers made three three point shooting day. I don't think this is a four five game series this going six or seven for sure. But there's no denying Golden State. There is no denying Golden State. And there's no denying Golden State the rest of the way, I don't I don't necessarily agree. It is a coronation. There is like a huge red carpet if the rockets win tomorrow night. Thing go into Houston. I've always thought Golden State was gonna win the series. I've always thought Golden State was going to win the championship. I think the odds are heavily in that favor. And I I know that you know, that that people love the idea of building up the opponents, you know, like, oh, this is the years Houston. Oh, maybe that cost. Maybe it's Milwaukee the truth is it's Golden State because I'll tell you the singular reason for that next. Mason Ireland ESPN.

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Hour 1: Warriors Drama

The Stephen A. Smith Show

40:18 min | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Warriors Drama

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This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. This is the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the latest addition to the Stephen Smith show coming at you as I love to do every weekday over the airwaves of ESPN radio two hundred and fifty plus markets across the United States of America from LA to New York and everything in between. Check your AM FM. Dial also ESPN radio Sirius XM channel eighty as well as ESPN radio simulcasts over the live national television their ways of ESPN news number to call triple eight say ESPN that's eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six time. For straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones, best networks, no contracts. Lots of stuff to get into the date without question. Whole bunch stuff to get into Levy on bell. Did not report to the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's going to sit out the two thousand eighteen NFL season. It is official. He will not be returning to the to the Pittsburgh Steelers. We'll definitely get into that on today's show along with a bevy of other matters including Jimmy Butler, making his debut tonight as a Philadelphia seventy sixer. We'll definitely be getting into that. But we all know what the story is today. We all know what the lead story is today because as of yesterday was announced it Draymond green forward for the reigning defending two-time NBA champion, Golden State Warriors. Had been suspended following the dust up on the court. And then during the time out. With the best player on the Golden State Warriors and one of the top three or four players on a planet earth. That is Kevin Durant. A lot has been made about it. A lot has been talked about it a lot of people evolve and back and forth about it. And what have you let me tell you what I heard. Obviously drive on green is a very loquacious and outspoken individually does not bite his tongue, and I'm here to confirm for you. All he's as real as it. Get doesn't have a phoney bone in his body. Let me get that out of the way right now, he does not have a phoney bone in his body. And when he believes that he is right. He is a strong willed as they come. Let's get that out of the way. With all of that being said. The Los Angeles Clippers we're going up against the Golden State Warriors a game that ended with the clippers went in one twenty one to one sixteen in overtime why? Because the game was tied at one zero six at the end of regulation, six seconds left. Lou Williams ran a sixth man of the year misses a jump shot from the right side of the perimeter. Kevin Durant and Draymond green. Or under the basket. Draymond green gets the ball. And immediately dribbles up court. I did not see him look off. Kevin durant? I saw him. Do what he always does. He grabbed a rebound and pushed the ball up the floor trying to make something happen. Now. Obviously, it wasn't the wise decision in the world. Obviously it was the wrong decision. Because when you have one of the greatest scores this game has ever seen in its history. Clapping for you to give him the ball. You give him the ball. Draymond green didn't do that. But it wasn't the most egregious thing in the world because it's not like he was developed McGee driven a ball for crying out loud. Draymond green is your point forward. He's usually running your off. It the offers usually goes to him. He usually serving as a facilitator and a lot of different ways is just that on this particular play. He made the wrong session. No crime in that fair enough. We. Move on from there as he almost gets stripped. And ultimately is unable to get a shot off, forcing overtime. According to people that I've spoken to Kevin Durant said why don't you give me the ball? You should've gave me the basketball. Basically, Draymond green goes off. Starts going off on them custom out. Call them out. His name uses the b word. To me, even that did not warrant a suspension why because it's Draymond green. He's been doing. He's never been done before. So does any reason why we're so agreed is they didn't bite his tongue? Now. This is the same guy that in Oklahoma City threaten to go after Steve Kerr. Am f DM. Told him don't say another MFN word to me kailua. All of this stuff is years ago. He didn't get suspended then. So in my mind, I'm like what you're suspended for. What are you? Is it a little dust up? And then I heard this. I heard that during his diatribe against Kevin Durant. His face. There was a player sitting in between them. But during the diatribe to Kevin Durant's face. Draymond green brought up. Kevin Durant, pending free agency. He brought up his pending free agency. He said you got one foot in one foot out. I'm not quoting here paraphrasing. He said he got one foot in one foot out. You ain't down for. The course you ain't down with us. You about to get your behind up out of here who the hell are you? Basically questioning loyalty and his commitment to the Golden State Warriors. And then even after that after the b word and after question is commitment to Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant still had the professionalism and wherewithal say quo, man, let's go out here and win this game. Upon which drain. Bog reset F that F in the game and continue to go off on Kevin Durant? Who ultimately ended up fouling out of that game on a bogus foul. Call against about away shouldn't have been called. He didn't foul that guy should have never found out. But nevertheless, that's what it was ladies, gentlemen. This was happening during the time out on the court during the game going from regulation Tova time. According to what I was told as a result Steve Kerr and GM Bob Myers felt compelled to suspend them. They inform their bosses of such a thing got complete support from warriors brass. According to the people that I've spoken to they were like, hey, it's too much. We've tolerated too much. But even that this was crossing the line. And if we'd have no credibility with the players. We'd have no credibility as an organization if we did a deal with Draymond green on this directly. He's lucky. It wasn't just it was just one game. He's lucky of was for more than it is what they said. Here's where I stand on all of this. It's a hard position for me to take because I got a lot of love and respect for Draymond green. He'd be on my team any day. Now, he's not shooting the ball, particularly well this ship, particularly for three point range over the last years. He shot in thirty thirty and twenty and now is at twenty four percent from three point range. That's not good. But his defensive prowess is willingness to rebound and grind. You can't say you can't say enough about it and his understanding of how to play the game is unquestionable. Where Draymond loses me and this is bringing up. Kevin Durant free agency. His impending free agency. They gentleman. Kevin durant? Don't deserve that. He didn't deserve that. You know, you because you use that kind of language, and you talk using a b word and all its even though some people don't like it, you brush that off in most situations along as it ain't to happen. But outside of that you don't bring up the man's contractual situation. The fact that the matter is Kevin Durant. It's taking less money which has enabled to go to stay warriors to pay to Audrey dollars to pay to showing Livingston's of the world people like that you wouldn't have been able to pay them. If it were not for Kevin Durant willingness to take less so not only did. Kevin durant? Take less to keep the nucleus of the team intact. But also delivered on a court but winning back to back NBA finals MVP award and being a best player on a two-time championship t. I think it's safe to say you can't. You just can't. You don't deserve that. He does it deserve. And so now as a result of it. We don't know what the hell's gonna happen. Kevin Durant spoke last night. Game after they beat the Atlanta hall without him without Draymond green. And Steph curry rather. Kevin Durant was asked a few questions. Listen to the first question. He's asked about whether or not him and drain my work things out. Listen to this. Kevin have you and dream and able to hash anything. Do you see that happening anytime soon? I'm sure it will be a long season. Obviously he was asked to elaborate further. This is what Kevin Durant said when asked to elaborate further did he cross the line with anything last night? That was a keep the house. That's what we do here. I mean, obviously, you guys got a job to do. But. I'm not trying to get no way. No headlines happen. We move on just trying to play basketball. Somebody talked about how it was strange without Draymond. Listen to this is reporter's team for a name before even before I got here. You know, he's been a staple in his organization. So. Obviously is definitely weird not having around and not just everything that went down. But that's what happens. An NBA and. You know, just try to do my best to move on. And be a basketball player got nothing else to do. But to be the best player. I can be every single day. I try not to worry about nothing else. Dallas. Kevin Durant position Steve Kerr to head coach for the Golden State Warriors had some things to say, particularly as it pertains to questions about Kevin's upcoming free agency. Listen to this. Nobody ever talks about Kevin's free agency doesn't bother any of us. Not even the situation we're talking about. No, no, he's the NBA guys are under contract or there. Upcoming free agents, and you know. It's the business we're focused on this year. So I don't think anybody in our locker room anybody on our coaching staff thinks twice about Kevin's free agency the summer. That's that's next summer. This is we're coaching this year. We're playing this year laser gentleman. From what I hear that entirely. Incorrect. I'm not sitting up there. And and questioning the veracity of Steve curse words Kerr's the head coach for the Golden State Warriors. He's three time champion as a coach. He's he's a champion as a player. A one of the knights guys you ever meet. I'm not trying to get into some tit for tat with Steve Kerr. I'm in no position to do that what I will tell you is that I spoke to people. People on that team. People closely associated with that t. And I am telling you. What I was told is that Draymond dropped all over Kevin Durant. And then a process of jumping go going off on him. He brought up. Kevin durant? Impending free agency on the court. During that time out not the time out. But after the end the regulation going the overtime. And it was so excessive it was so beyond the pale. That's why I got suspended. He questioned his commitment to the warriors. That's what I heard. He did. Now, if somebody's lying. Okay. But I'm telling you, that's what are. And that is what warranted the suspension because that was beyond the pale. He wouldn't stop. He kept going off. Boogie cousins had to restrain him. Klay Thompson Andrea would dollar, and Shaun Livingston all stood up in front of the team and spoke Klay Thompson told them the only people who can beat us is us. That's what was said. I'm telling you what I know. So here we are. Bob Myers general manager, president rather for the warriors. Was asked what warranted the suspension listen to what he had to say. I don't want to get into specifics. I don't think that's fair to him or our team organization. But I think the statement, unfortunately, kind of says much as I'd like to say about it. It was just something we felt like was detrimental to the organization, and that's why we decided to do. We did having said all that. Age emotion aroused resident NBA insider right here on ESPN the best in the business. He. Talked about Durant's looming free agency and listen to this. They're coming to a point where their bench is going to get thinned out by payroll, and they'll be built around just a few great players if the rain stays, but it hovers over everything that goes on and Golden State and to say that Durant's free agency did not play any factor in the last twenty four hours. It plays a factor and everything there. Here's the bottom line laser, gentlemen. Katie has options the New York Knicks believe they have a shot at getting K D, the Los Angeles Lakers believe they have a shot at getting K D K D And LeBron together if that doesn't spell championship. I don't know. What does I might not even watch because I'd be so disgusted with that kind of lopsided situation? Going on there. And so you have a situation where no matter what anybody is thinking. Oh, no matter what anybody is feeling. It didn't stop Steph curry didn't stop Klay Thompson. Stop Andre dollar doesn't stop. Steve kerr. Anybody else from going about the visit just doing their job and being professional in the case of Draymond green. Trays Dray laser gentlemen. I'm gonna say this about Draymond green. I will never defend that. He's right. All the time because he's not. I don't think he was right here in the situation with Kevin Durant. Give up the ball. And even if you don't give up the ball. And it's a plausible mistake that you made. It doesn't warrant him getting cussed out because he wanted the ball from you these Kevin Durant. But I will say this. Tremont green is as real as it gets. He doesn't have a fake bone in his body. Not a fake bone in his body. That's not who he is. And as relate as three o'clock this morning. I was told Draymond had an apologized. Draymond had reached out to anybody dream on wanna hear nothing because he firmly believes he did not do anything wrong. He did not do anything wrong. That's how he feels I beg to differ. If it is true that he brought up. Kevin Durant contract. To go off to the point where you're attacking him. Because he's about to be a free agent essentially questioning whether he's in it or not when a man arrived in Golden State helped deliver to championships is an NBA finals MVP to Tom's over and and took less than he needed to just so you could keep the guys that you wanted to keep it equal dollar, and Shaun Livingston not that dream on. And do that. He did that too. He's made fun monetary sacrifices for the betterment of the warriors too. So let's be clear about that with dream on. Kevin Durant is not the only one that did. But he didn't. And because he did it and because you've been winning with him. He did deserve that. I love dream on. But I can't with dream on this one Kevin deserve that just because he was asking for the ball. Now. If there was something else that went on. Okay. Then the argument you can make that ain't the place for all of that. But apparently everything was cool until Kevin Durant was like demand and the ball. And then got on you for not giving them the ball when you should have gave him the ball. And if you want to all your to play you all over the place, but you don't do is turn around and bring up the man's contract. Status. To the point where bookie cousins the same. Gotta got a jetted during the Knicks game while is street clothes because he was arrested in a referee at the scores table that boogie cousins was actually the one who felt the need to step in and mediate Emma restrain Draymond green. I mean, you can't make this up. You just can't make this up. And now, you're gonna go to say warriors who firmly believe and repeat it to me personally on several occasions this year, we are not losing Kevin Durant. Kevin durant? A going nowhere. He's free to do what he wants. But we believe he is going to stay with us. I'm hearing differently. I'm hearing differently. I'm here in the Knicks and the Lakers with the Lakers having the edge. That's what I'm hearing. Two weeks ago? I heard the Knicks had is now I hit a lake is had. He is let me tell you something it appears to be one of those two teams, which is Kevin Durant next destination. But Golden State is telling me, there's no way in hell, we believe he's leaving we believe Kevin Durant going to stay. We got the most money we go give them the max. We ain't worried about it. I don't know what to think. I'm just telling y'all what the hell's going on. It eight say ESPN that's seven to nine three seven seven six. My thinking is this. I hate asking this question. But we have to alight of what's transpiring. If you ought to go to State Warriors. Clearly, you've part of the reason at least part of the reason you suspend the dre Magri for that game with the send a message you're going to be protective of Kevin Durant. There's an impending free agent we not going to give him the impression that Draymond. Or anybody else gets to come at him like that when we're trying to keep this, man. I don't think one game does anything. But they wanted to send a message. Clearly, this the message that they wanted to send fair enough. Here's the question. Ladies and gentlemen. What do you do today? If you to warriors. Do you get these together to resolve it and just put your head down? And go about the business of trying to win the championship. Or do you get on the phone right now in plan on trading? Draymond green. I'm asking that question because I host a radio show. Let me be very clear. I don't say you Trayvon green, HALE know, you keep him. You don't make any moves with this team. Let's season's over you. Don't make any moves with this team until let's sees it's over and you're gauging what? Kevin Durant, go do a free agency. You don't make a move until that I'm not trading mongering. I'm not trading them. I'm gonna keep it right here. But they are those who think you should trade him. Yeah. Others who think they should consider trade and Kevin Durant? Rather than lose nothing. Even though I don't know if you can't because I don't know whether or not he has a no trade clause in his deal. One would imagine he does all of that to consider and so much more clearly to fix the Knicks it affects the Lakers did affects everybody because Kevin Durant on anybody's team. Ultimately makes you it very least a playoff team in a contender. There'd be very very straight about that. It had eight say ESPN that is the number to call into live on the Stephen a Smith show, ESPN radio ESPN news. If you're a smoker, you know, switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes. Andy six they just didn't deliver the satisfaction you expected but jewel is different. It's not an e cigarette it's vapor product that actually satisfies plus Julius simple to use. And there's no cigarette. Ash, no lingering odor as a smoker, you expect a certain nicotine experience right jewel delivers give jewelry. Try check. O J U L dot com slash sports. Switch. And be satisfied. Yes. You can't do both. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. You'll seem to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Welcome back to Stephen expert show, ESPN radio ESPN news coming at you as I love to do every weekday right over here. Stephen Smith show. I gotta tell you something. You don't make a move this year. If you go to State Warriors. But in light of what happened you've got to be happy. If you're the New York Knicks you've got to be happy. If you're the Los Angeles Lakers, you got to capitalize on this. I've said it before and I'll say it, again, let me tell you something Los Angeles is going to get one or three God, they gonna get Anthony Davis via trade, which is probably unlikely because I don't think the pelicans are going to be cooperative. You're going to get Kawai Linnet because he's going to be willing to come from Toronto to LA, but just it could be the clippers just as much as it could be the Lakers, particularly with the job. The Doc Rivers is due on with them so far and away from the 'paparazzi kind of atmosphere that the Lakers brain. But then of course, there's the Los Angeles Lakers. There's Magic Johnson Magic Johnson's got trick up his sleeves. There's always going to have about thirty seven and thirty eight million available and caps rates. More like thirty seven point five something like that. Okay. So if you're the Los Angeles, Lakers, if you the New York Knicks, they're happy. This you happy about this. You want to see? Kevin Durant unhappy and Golden State because you want him to leave you absolutely positively want him to leave. So I could get very very interesting right now, we shall see. And then they'd say ESPN inundate seven to nine three seven seven six is just so much to get into. We'll find it. Let me go to my boy champ. He's live on air. What's up champs all to me? Are you doing I'm tired as hell? But I'm all right. Go ahead, man. Well, I've been on record on several occasions to say that Kevin Durant without question. The best player in basketball. But last night opened up the floodgates as when he side with Golden State, always go that it will come in and win multiple championships. Lebron didn't Miami. Anyway, eventually lead Golden State and try to relive the magic at another place. What transpired last night with Raymonde green yet made on the night. He should have passed the ball to the best playing basketball. I get that with Dan with took place at that. It's bigger than that a lot of people will never play basketball or change for doesn't understand what took place Durant has one foot in one foot in based on with Raymonde say if that's true, I can relate to Israel mom's coming if he's all pro Golden State. This is where the GM supposed to do their job across the NBA landscape. Kevin Durant does not have a no trade clause. And they're right about that. You're right about them on white. You're right about that. By the way, go ahead. Right. If I'm daddy age you sitting around you got the hottest young coast allegedly. You have all these pieces in place, but you don't have an identity of chill. Great players on your team. Why not pick the phone offer Tatum and Jalen Brown? But Kevin Durant. They may not bite on it. But if I'm Golden State, and I don't have a commitment from Kevin Durant. I'm making the mole. If I go to stay in if I'm Boston. I'm entertaining. Here's. Stay right there. Here's where your problem runs here. Where you run into a problem, whoever you trade Kevin Durant too because he's so valuable, okay? You have to make sure you get equitable compensation. So obviously Golden State's going to ask for the form for Kevin Durant services. The flip side to it is if the team that you're talking to about him has to know that he's going to stay beyond this season. In order for them to be willing to give up the form to go to state in order to get him. And that comes from Kevin Durant. So you're talking about needing to trust Kevin Durant and trust, and he will commit to staying to play for you long term, particularly if you Boston you're giving up to stuff like that. That's exactly what you gotta have. Right. And keep in mind Durant is going to the east, and he's he's on the east coast. But hear me hear me all the way out. All right. I don't I don't. I'm not sure about I'm not sure about that. I think LA's a possibility, but go ahead. No, no question. The number one choice. I believe that. But with Tatum in Brown and Golden State that keeps Golden State at the best team in the west. Kevin durant? Kyrie Irving what contracts coming up? I wanna bet the house bay. Stay in Boston. You got Boston and goal to say in the NBA finals this year. Dan, we could settle auto models for the money right there NBA finals on what was the guy, but go Golden State. I think by Meyer should entertain more. We Durant more. So they're trying to move Draymond right away. Because I still believe from a competitive standpoint as a basketball player in the guy who's looking at being considered one of the all time rate. I just cannot see Kevin Durant finish his career and go to stay. So you've got an opportunity to mobile to get. Close enough value at that position with two guys would pay them and Bronco anybody like that on that level, you make the move and get rid of Kevin Durant and not very migraine. And I think the goal to say were that they say they were light years ahead of us. We will find out over the next three to four months or two months before the trade Dan line, if they make a move because they don't have a no trade while if he wants and they get nothing that's a bad president GM. Bob myers. If you actually got you. Appreciate the call, man. Thanks a lot. You have you make good points. I'm just not sure that something that that that that Boston will entertain. And I think in the case of Golden State what you've got to watch out for is that we're Golden State. Listen, you don't wanna move Kevin Durant prematurely. Because you recognize you wouldn't they won the last championships without Kevin Durant. You want a situation where you're going into if you if your priority is to keep Kevin Durant? And let's be real you'd keep Kevin Durant before you kept Draymond green. If you to go to state warrior. Any basketball team for that matter, and that's not to knock Draymond green in any way. Is that Kevin Durant is a freak of nature. When says the surreal great players this game has ever seen. So because of that that is your situation, and that's something that you'd have to pay attention to no doubt as it pertains to no trade clauses. Let me read something for you out of the collective bargaining agreement. Just so y'all know all right because champion just called in and alluded to Kevin Durant. Not having a no trade clause. He's absolutely right about that. By the way, go looking out, but the other thing to point to here's this no trae caused them going to reach straight from the CBA an article or on the CBA. No trae close around the NBA, and they become even rarer what LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony both changing teams this off season two of the last players with explicit. No trae clauses in their contracts will no longer have that no trade protection to be eligible to negotiate a no trade clause a player Ma. Must have at least eight years of NBA experience and four years with his current team. So neither James nor Anthony qualifies anymore while no NBA players have an explicit no-trade clause in their contracts for the time being there are still several players who have the availability to veto trades in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen that's next season a player who resides with his previous team on a one year contract or a two year deal with an option year is given no trade protection. And so is a player who signs an office sheet and has that offer matched by his previous team? So think about this. You got to basically three scenarios here. Ladies and gentlemen. Eight years with the same team. All right. Eight years. I'm sorry. Eight years of MBA experienced and four years with your current team that qualifies you for Notre close or a player who resides with his previous team on a one year contract or a two year deal with an option year is also given no trade protection. And so as a player who signs an office sheet and has that offer matched by his previous team? Those are the three scenarios under which you can have a no trade clause. None of which applies to Kevin Durant, which means to go to say warriors can entertain trading him. I don't think that'll happen. They say they're committed to keeping him. He ain't going any damn place. It remains to be seen. Because does that mean Draymond is gone? Or Steve Kerr and the rest of the Golden State Warriors gonna work their magic and find a way to work all of this out either way, if you're a bevy of teams New York, Boston the Lakers, even the clippers your ecstatic that this just happened with the Golden State Warriors because that means you have a shot at one of the top four players on the planet earth and Kevin Durant. Things are getting very very interesting lady to gentlemen, things are getting very very interesting it at eight say ESPN. It's edit eight seven to nine three seven seven six celebrate fall birthdays and anniversaries with multicolored roses from one eight hundred flowers dot com right now. One eight hundred flowers is offering a bouquet of twenty four multicolored roses for just twenty four dollars. That's twenty four multicolored roses for just twenty four dollars. That means your girl is going to be asking you am I worth twenty four dollars. She gonna look you up and down like you. Sure. Like. My man new. 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It reason why he said it, and I think there's a lot of truth to what he said, I think it's gonna come down to a situation to where they're going to have a little man they're going to sit down and hash it out. But I think they're going to talk to deal the side and they're going to Sochi. Listen. What do we have to do to make you stay here? And if k d says, Drake gotta go guess what? He's going one last thing before I go. I was thinking about a criminal off topic. I thought the one of the best places for criminal votes who and if he doesn't succeed here you can stick it out to leave. I'm thinking he doesn't even have to leave after steak we think about him going to stay in the Tonio. Thanks, even. Well, okay of pop wants him. I think he could be utilized there. But I don't think that'll be a situation me personally. I would like to see Carmelo and Philadelphia, but Philadelphia there's a one a minute. Here's the thing that really resonates will come Anthony at this particular juncture, right or wrong. The belief is that with him on the court over the last two to three years teams have been worse with him on the court than they've been with him off the court. And when you combine that with the fact that it's really really difficult for play of his magnitude to accept the fact that they're no longer what they used to be. And as a result, they feel that they deserve more than they're getting. If becomes baggage for a lot of teams and a place like San Antonio, obviously is not going to be a place that's interested in that. And so I don't see that happening. That's just my personal opinion herald, July, Stephen what's up here. How you doing? I'm all right. Go ahead, buddy. Real quick off Italy's Rams. Luther offense. But in your professional opinion, what is wrong with their defense. And can't you think they can rectify easy answer? Keep to leave is not there. Akeem to leave is not there. Marcus Peters isn't the same quality of corner. Win a key to leave is not there with him. And so as a result, he's left on an island all by himself, and you have opposing defenses that are literally attacking Marcus Peters all day long. And so that puts more pressure on your front seven to get to the quarterback. Which is why they prioritize going after Dante Fowler because they needed an edge Russia to get to the quarterback. And he's been good for them. And we all know what the study Aaron Donald is. He's a month. It's scary. How good he is an Adama consumer. And those boys are no joke either. But Marcus Peters. This secondary is the weak link because it keeps to leave has been out injured and Marcus Peters. Can't hold down the fort by himself as Michael Thomas flagrantly put on display that should probably right now. I think he gets a considerable. Better wants to keep to leave comes back. 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Full Show (Warriors/Raptors Game 2 recap, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Durant, Drake)

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Full Show (Warriors/Raptors Game 2 recap, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Durant, Drake)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Well tongue at live from Los Angeles. I'm Jen taps here with production and Mehlis and Shannon Sharpe wounded guys that we want to stop. Way, we want to welcome chin who's going to be with us because Ginny Taft is covering the World Cup on FOX in France. That's tough duty and June for those who don't know covers the pelicans in New Orleans, and the NFL on FOX, so welcome. And now the show starts Williams and try to change the subject at hand. You already tweet last night. She had a shop, I beat about three case, the nectar on a guy. So I want to announce I am so impressed in so shocked that sharp domino, even showed up for work today after I beat him out of three cases and for the record, I want to know before we even get this show going, I did not trickle into this bet did I did not. Because you propose the bet I one day your I'll proposed work didn't win it too. As you said, to said three because I have the courage of my convictions, and I want, even though they lost Klay Thompson to injury, and they lost von looney to injury and Steph, had some weird free game dehydration going on. It was just inexplicable. I one despite all of that I was up against it and I didn't even ask for the points because Golden State went into that game as a two point dog, and I said, Nope, I got this period. No points. Thank your predatory lending. No, I have. Hugh morning. You Prado my ability, did I start? Did I say, hey, let's make a bed. You know, you did you want you on you want. You want one case you say, let's make to tell you what we want to do to make it three. Okay. So now you want some intervention from above to save you from yourself. Like I broke the rules in this bed mccowan case because that was original bit. I'll get your time to Welsh on the cases. This is Allen rating wrong. Nice. Good stuff. Last night. The warriors they did go on and epic eighteen to no run in the second half time, the series one to one but skip mentioned they lost one of their stars in the fourth quarter Klay. Thompson fell awkwardly after shooting jumper, he had to leave the game tightness in that hamstring. Late in the fourth quarter Danny green hit a three to cut. The warriors lead to two but closing seconds rafters. Choose not to foul ball swings around to a wide open. Andrea Iguala nails. The game clinching three the warriors win by five with game three on Wednesday in the beg. So despite the terms of that bed. I know you're very upset of how. Shannon. What last night more about Golden State or more about the route to be honest. It was more about the warriors. Give those guys credit they showed it in Klay mentioned this, even though they lost. He says, I think we'll back bat bounce back and show the character champ house after game one game one loss. Draymond was unbelievable game. He was one assist away from triple double us. Steph played with Steph, boogie cousins gave him. Tremendous minutes at the only played eight minutes in game one in really being a non factor. Eleven ten and six he played really, really well. Ega did Iggy if you noticed they did something switched it now all the sudden they don't put Iggy on, on a qua- Klay. Take takeaway, some not all, but, but some, it was more and more clay, I agree. Yes. Until he goes down or now let's give the biggest thing would happen within game with in the first quarter because Toronto really had it going, and no one can make a shop for the warriors, except one guy in. He was the guy that kept them attach, and that was clay he was sensational. I mean there were times that they pass the ball in the ball had barely touched his hand and it was up in the air, it was four three somebody picked clay to be the MVP series. But I don't know who that was the whole I, forget is that your go ahead is about the war in Clayton keeping them attaching, and I thought another thing that they did skip, even though they were not getting shots to fall. They found a way to get to the free through they shot. Thirteen free throws in the first quarter, the shot, nineteen in the first out mystery but the missile reading, but they, they were able to get cheap points and keep themselves to keep the raptor, from running away from this ballgame because the crowd was electric early the headshots falling Kawai was doing what he was doing early on. And so he like, okay, okay. But Claes like nah, I'm not gonna let you guys and it was killing you just got it. You got it, you got it because I've see I've seen this before. I remember watching this play over like game. Three last year clay instead for coal and Katie. Can't miss their even though they're big like man, I don't feel comfortable, and I'm sure the raptors and their fan felt the same way as I'm feeling sitting there watching the game knowing that again that you're up three or four. You really should probably double digits considering how poorly this using the ball from the field, but clay kept them attach, and then step, all of a sudden found a way to get to the free through land and well with late three minutes. Four minutes left in the second half. I mean, second quarter before clay clay step scored his first basket from the field and then he goes in a mobile. And in the next thing, you know. So you feeling good five and have that was at one point, twelve. That's what they do. That's what so demoralized skip is that you have an opportunity you obtain? We're up to we're fifteen and we're two minutes from the half. We're by going to the half with a double digit lead feeling really good about ourselves. And the next thing, you know, no. You're not you go into the half with five point lead in the wars, and saying, as bad as we played. Yep. As good as they played their only five let's make this run and what happened in the second start to second half. You finish. Good. It's my turn you actually made a few good points that I'm going to give you, but you obviously missed the biggest point which I will get to in just a moment. But my favorite postgame, quote came from the mouth of Steph curry, who said, our DNA showed up. They got championship metal whatever you wanna call that stuff that's inside them. It just manifested itself right on schedule when they were twelve points down. Obviously, DeMarcus cousins saved them save the whole night after kevon looney went down in some ways, I think, Kvant looney is even more valuable than DeMarcus, because Kvant looney is a much better pick and roll defender than DeMarcus, and he's a much better pick setter than DeMarcus. But DeMarcus can slow with the basketball he can steal the bath room. And he can rebound. He's just he's a mountain of a man, and he was stood. In fact, look at your soul stat sheet. He just race Casale last night. So I will give you that. But that was the miracle is that DeMarcus cousins has returned from a torn quad, not a ruptured, but a torn quad just seven weeks after he did that on April fifteenth. That's a miracle, but the painful irony is that number two is now in Toronto, simply because a year ago, he missed seventy three games with a bruised quad. So one guy has a torn quad brecca's Lee returns to play. Twenty eight minutes last night, and wait a second. Number two, misses seventy three games with Bruce quad. And finally San Antonio is forced to throw up their hands. If not their lunch and say, okay, we gotta ship look, right? Okay. Well, I'm just saying that's the great irony to me the subplot of the game is DaMarcus sunau Moran. Curiously returns, just seven weeks after his qua- AB at a severe strain. We'll may be. But I've never seen like it's like a go figure to me sometimes sometimes a high ankle sprain is broken who you know this. Okay. And then to finish your positive points, obviously Klay with since ational play goes down. And our man Quinn, cook who loves undisputed r-maine Quinn cooked makes three huge threes and he stepped right into them in all guts, Tom right down the drain, right? Three times. Those are cute that fill fill the clay void. And then how about my man Iggy was that not a dagger of three? Are you surprised because he was a finals MVP? He's got championship in a running through him. If you dare him to shoot that shot he will take and he will make right? Okay. Now that's all the good stuff that happened last night. But now, let's get to what really happened last night, or should I say did not happen because despite all of the above. The Golden State Warriors one game to without scoring a single point from the five thirty nine Mark of the fourth quarter all the way down to seven seconds. So they go five and a half crunch time clutch. Time minutes five and a half minutes. They don't make a free throw. They scores zero. This is the highest scoring team in the NBA this year. They score zero from five thirty nine all the way to seven seconds and they stole game to why was that Mr. sharp Adamas? Why was that? You know what it was? It was because number two came up small in game two down the stretch. He puts up great stats. What was he thirty four and said, we're going to talk about that thirty four and fourteen. Okay. I'll give you all that. But the point is, I keep telling you, he is fragile physically and mentally he is not that guy with the. Game on the line. He is not a clutch closer. He never was for San Antonio. He needed vanfleet to close game one. And last night, when he needed van Wli, nobody else showed up. And he definitely did not show up. Can I count the ways just to, to specify what I'm talking about here? Thank you very much. So number two, sits out the first part of the fourth quarter, and he comes back on the floor with eight minutes to go, and from that point on. He goes over three from three. He missed threes at seven fourteen left five fifty four left in two forty eight left those three big three's. If you could make to those you probably going to win the game one of them. Maybe made the momentum. He had a crucial turnover did number two to eighteen left were Draymond got his hand on the ball and it's a big possession. Looks like they're seizing momentum because Nick nurse whose credit had gone to this box in one on Steph in Steph couldn't get a shot off. And there's no Klay to take the heat off. Right. In all of a sudden, Golden State cannot score. Now he had to scoring plays. Did number two and they were both highly controversial and questionable. You didn't travel, I one six thirty eight left to go. If we could see this. He gets away with virus. Elbow. An elbow right into the chest. Draymond and just knocking him out of the way. And then he continues with his elbow. When he knocks bogut out of the way, and he comes all the way down to the floor that's called traveling because he hasn't even shot the ball left, then he throws the ball up off the glass, and it goes in, and they go one and why what and once elbows to chest, you, then. That's that's a blatant offense in foul slash travel. I don't know. It's one thing or the other to me. And I'm saying what how can you get away with that? So that's three of his six points in the fourth quarter. Then let's go to the last place. This is one oh, eight left and this resulted in a technical foul on. Steph curry because he starts to drive the basketball and DeMarcus reaches in and cleanly knocks the ball, straight out of number twos, hands, right into Steph, Curry's hands. And their stuff's is preparing to go the other way, when the whistle blows and he just kind of hot dogs and just heaves it into the Rafter do cannot do that. I agree. It is globetrotter hot dog. It's like Steph is trying to be too cool for school, and is the ball, just touches handed years whistle. He has on his follow-through. He just throws it into the raptor, Br after's rafters. And you can't do you the door even further? So now number two goes to the line. I'm gonna give you this. He went sixteen for sixteen. That's really good. Like, really, really great good. And he makes three in a row yet that gives him six points down the stretch. But that's not enough because in the last minute and a half he has to two point shots to from nine feet. Both of them with one thirty one left and then with thirty one seconds left. He's got two point shots. Any MS both huge. We can't just just sweep this under your little carpet over there that you keep all your band. He missed both of. So he missed all three threes and twos, in the last minute and a half now. We get to the play of the game. This is the turning point all basketball game for me. Because with ten seconds left. Steph is trapped and he dribbles out in the trap over in the left top corner. I saw he dribbles out of the trap, but he's careening into the middle of the floor and he's losing his balance. And he throws up or tosses up a pick six pass in the direction of Shaun Livingston. Am I? Right. Is just a lollipop. It's like what are you doing? Susan left is. And I said. Number two's, going to intercept that and go the other way and dunk it, or, and one it, and it's either going to be tie overtime or raptors win. And number two zero it is a fifty fifty ball and the shock of the night to me was that Shaun Livingston beat number two to the basketball. This is according to you the perimeter defender all about all this is the best two way player in all the playoff, but what else what else I don't know. He hurt the ten. Now we got the injury is trying to you did not limp one time last night. I didn't even seem winsor grimace last night. I don't know. Maybe I watched the wrong. They might maybe took a pain. Okay. Maybe he took an injection should. He have intercepted the basketball. Yes, he should have if he does. We're having a different conversation, you know, in games of this magnitude regardless of the sport is really a game of inches. Okay, inch here or there or half a step here. Okay. In the ball game is totally different. Give, Shaun Livingston credit. I don't know how because he shouldn't have even been in the game. He's only in the game because they're out of body. Exact I exactly I had an out of body experience watching the play because wait a second, Shaun Livingston catches the ball. And obviously in his direct line of sight is standing allied open, Iggy, there's nobody around because they've double Steph because the thing is give once he gives the ball to living to Livingston gives the ball. You see stuff. Hard cut through everybody because remember their playing boxing one. So everybody, forget, thinking in by that point. They're not playing. We wanna make sure we don't care who shoots this ball. We just don't want number thirty shoot the ball. Okay. They lost track of where he was an Iggy. Got a wide open three, but to give them give them credit because that's what you do is that once I realized that, okay you got? No, katie. He's been going for the first two game now clay the second most dangerous shooter on your team. He might be the most dangerous. Once he starts to heat up. Yeah. Okay. So now we can play this s Steph call. It junk defense Janke Zang we can play this 'cause we don't really fear anybody else on the perimeter. No, no. You mentioned Queen cook played unbelievable. He hit. He hit three of the biggest threes, you'll ever hit in his life. He might not ever hit three threes or three, any bigger than what the kid has guts, does it. And normally he played in big games. You go to every game of the big game because everybody's geared up the play. You know you go into the NCAA tournament. But you mentioned on boogie skip the thing that boogie gives them that the other two bigs can't which is Bogan. And loonie is that the ability to score without the boogie can put the ball on the floor and go score bug. It you throw it up to the rim. He gonna get it more. He's was gonna get a rebound. Put back same thing. Looney. This guy could score by putting the ball on the floor and he can pass out at the post, okay he can't. But here's the shocker shocks to me. You realize that Golden State as soon as the injuries started to mount had to completely change the way light, it's office because they start running it through cousins. How do you do that? On the. Fly easier to do that skill because the opposing team hasn't had an opportunity guess who to, like, okay? Well, where are you counting, we've counting on clay being here, or we're counting on looney bin, this, they're not counting on guy? So now if you notice give sometimes what a quarterback goes down and the backup comes in they win the game because we had had the chance to prepare for you. Now we're going to see moving. I'll I'll give you that. But it's also hard on the offense. Yes. To reestablish a new RPM and momentum around him. Because everything changes, I, I wouldn't be surprised give knowing Steve Kerr the little bit, because, you know, he he he's apt to go to these exotic lineups he my imprac this, okay? Still quinn. Cook clay, this wouldn't that when y'all go, and y'all take on Katie dream on this, and that because he won't guys get familiar playing with each other in a given moment. 'cause you never really know you know, hope you hopefully, you never have a situation where clay goes down. Katie's down loonies out, but you never know. But skip the going this run to start at third quarter. That was huge. I've never seen anything like this in the finals, I've never seen a team going to run like that where the opposing team they have some opportunities, but the combination of someone putting a lid on the basket and then turning it over skip. You can't do that, because it wasn't like Golden State was going down. And every time they got the ball, come down the court. They were score. They miss them opportunities also. But you exacerbated your situation not only could you not put it in the basket. You were turning the ball over. And then it went from two to five to seven to eight. The next thing like on the wrappers co-ord- all the five point ball game you don't they up eleven. And by the way, if you go back to late in the second quarter, twenty to nothing run, which was the longest run in the history of any finals game back to the merger, which is. Nineteen seventy six seventy seven. So that's, that's pretty stored new very you. Look at the, the link to the run, it was actually thirty three to nine from late second, all the way sort of mid third. Right. And that's that's outrageous thirty three to nine. How can you give that up at home? If you notice the first guy that DiPoto, everybody loves game was Monday, three months looking at the stats sheet uses, I let the guy get a rhythm I let him get comfortable or you're talking about after game one episode. That's, that's my that's me. I got to take that away. Get away, violating say skip. I'm not look, you and I, both know the likelihood of Yaacob having another game like that. And the battles not very good. But he can't play this bad. Margaret Saul, we don't need you to give us twenty but you can't give a six that, like you gave you against what would the game give me a walk in. You can't have a game like that in the NBA finals. Because at some point that's not looney going again. That's not Mogi. You're going to get the guy that can give you points, which is boogie cousins little, you need to offset him Lowry is making dumb plays foolish files it. He's already at a terrible rhythm. And now he's in worse rhythm because he can't stay on the court because within five minutes in the first quarter and got two thousand. Okay. And then have with in midway through the second quarter you've got three. So we got to sit down and he's getting like cow. What are you doing? What I'm out is this new for calorie and playoff game. Games, haven't we seen this act many, many times before, but can you? Okay. Okay. But why would you file boogie? The boogie gotta rebound and he's ninety plus feet for just frustration. But that's the way he plays hard. I'm gonna give him that. And disrupts. He does some good things on. I don't mind the guy playing hard but also needed to play smart. I agree. And he's putting him. He's putting. Right. He's putting his team in harm's way. Now Danny green hit a big. Three was, hey, that was a huge come eight points really on twenty five minutes. I'll take that three and just run with that, that was enough to put them within two. I mean, they got grip vanfleet. Now he played well in the first half. Not so much of that fourth quarter skip surge pocket gave him what sixty seven points, ten rebounds and sixty minutes. Power came in and gave him some production, but all you need to know is that Andrei. Iggy. Dala is a thirty three percent career three point shooter on that shot. He's like an eighty percent shooter in that situation, but we're all you need to know. Engage engage in one over from the three. Well he was horrible horrible on some shots last night. You got one for. Three at that point, which is average. Right. And also. Yup. Give him credit money money. Want my money? I want my do you, you, you, you shies being realized I don't live in Bel Air like he does, but I got a swimming pool. Eight is full of diet mountain, Doug women. Mount. Oxy. I'll get about. Noon, probably gets heated heated diet. Digest with this year. So big question. Now are the warriors in control of the series, we're going to discuss that up next. And don't forget, you can check us out every day on the Fox Sports channel on Sirius XM. We'll be right back. Everybody. Okay. So the finals all tied up at one game apiece. With game three moving into the warriors backyard, but Golden State dealing with several key injuries. Klay Thompson left in the fourth quarter last night with a ding Tammy. However after the game he did say he's optimist echo play in game three. Of course. Kevin Durant missed the warriors last seven games. But Steve Kerr says it's feasible Katie could also play in game three if, if he practices on Tuesdays so Shannon time to win back some of that diet mountain dew happens now in this year. I'm going to pull a scale Bayless. I still have the war six with the caveat. If Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant cannot play skip in game three or game for the Swiss series about the swing back into raptors favor. I do not believe that mine was those two guys now do believe that minus k b would a healthy clay. They still could pick them in six games, but I do not believe without without clay that they can win this series. So I'm gonna he says he's optimistic it sounded. Look at look bad. You know you do like that. I get the Hamid it gets way up there, like up underneath that, but the curls said her to Stein to go ahead now. Now. O'shea. That's what you do a lot of. That's why you do gyrotonic and all that. What you're doing. Yeah. I do all you do only where the meal. And that's yes, the I know you still. I am stiff. I am Rome. Skip, I watch I saw video, I think it was Saturday and Sunday. I'm watching K D on the court where they're having shoot around. And he's implode plumps like a guy that's going to be able to anytime soon skill. He can't even shoot the ball because, you know, when you shoot about one hand, you kinda gotta get you told not to say he'd go jump to shoot. But I'm saying he wants to get he he just shove in the ball. He doesn't move like a guy that's going to be able to play. There's. I mean look, there's right, this he doesn't he doesn't move like a guy that's going to be able to play on Wednesday. The, the severity of clay's injury will be known later today. Once they do the yeah, I'm sure you have that done back in back in the bay area today. These injuries of starting to pile up skill but it just goes to show you this feel finals in five years, that goes to show, you are among LeBron James. Oh, we go. Yeah, no to hey, after a year, they finally get here. You're there. See, now, whatever happened is I don't know, a loss of touch will you talk about it's Myrtle Platte is they eat it. They will you brought up the Spurs. What happened with a word? You brought this up. I just ran through the door. You go ahead. But you remember when the Lakers, Lakers went to nine finals in twelve years. You remember at the end started falling apart. Magic hamstrings Byron Scott and James worthy all the injuries start to pile up skill. That's a lot. And here we are five times. Franklin Olympics thing, but Draymond and Klay up a Steph played in the last twenty sixteen Olympic. Guess what's coming up next year, the twenty twenty Olympics, and that's a lot of wear and tear because these guys are basically playing. You gotta win sixteen total games. Okay. For four rounds of the, you know, at least maybe twenty eight who knows. It's that's a lot of wear and tear on about starting to catch up with them. But I do not believe they're going to be able to hold the raptors off. If. Katie and Klay missing if int- time so you just brought up flip flops, and I'm going back to your prediction of Friday in, you predicting hardcore raptors winning said, wait a second. You got Golden State in sick Joe golden sake and win foreign Roka's. I don't think you thought that I think you got your waiver. No. No, no, no, no. I thought they would they would they're going to win four in a row against a team that had swept him in Toronto. 'cause you went so far to say this is feeling like Detroit for those who have forgotten Detroit, four ousted, the defending champ de prohibitively favored Lakers in five games split in LA. They won game one and then lost game two, but then they go home and they win three or four. It was when, you know. Three one two three two. And they went three four and five in Detroit. But here's the things get we got that report on Friday, that Chris ain't that Kevin Durant. Gonna come coming back, midway through the series midway conservative would be game board. We didn't envision Klay go going down in game knew it he might be out. So now where who we worried about? I mean, look. Right. That means Draymond will become even more and more aggressive start. Again, last night skip he gets the ball outside aside out of bounds. Drive the ball all the way Aleida ball. Look. Ronald really did you not see enough of that against Portland? You're gonna start. You'll stop the ball, I thought I rule of thumb is you stop the ball. Well. Well, they said, no, we're not gonna stop the ball. We worried about the shooters. Okay. All that finding good skip. You win. Look, this is this if they win this series. Now they're tied one, one, would I would I Clayton. I don't know what, what he never talked top ten. He's not the best point. How, how do you say that? He's not. I didn't think Steph grew. Very good last night. Look, it is number six seventeen three at ten from three I don't know wing skip in a big. Now you've gone back to your regional prediction, which is Golden State in six with a caveat. So you have become so famous on the show or infamous, for flip-flopping I have a gift for you right here right now. I have a gift, thanks to Craig, our stage manager. Thank you very much. I'd be que-, 'this. I'll just let you. Honor. There you go. You got Joe? And Shannon Sharpe memorial flipflops look what's on them. That is specially majors they're flops actually, oh, you pair. Where to go? You always there, you can meet blue really blew on always got some, some booed. John booed. Have you, you have my permission to wear those tomorrow on air and the red ones would have gone with your room? Blazer. You know what I put him on for the rest of the show. If you want to why hit goes with your outfit. Why forbidding me from where my unsound by do some special? I now I've been promised costumes. Kuan getting pushed off to the back burner. You have to keep putting those costumes on the back cover though. I got my flipflop okay you're gonna say thank you or not. How thank God told you always local booed. So the roller coaster has now rolled for Golden State because a head of last night's game the roller coaster aid gone completely over the top for Toronto. All the pre game predictions Toronto's going to win game two because the warriors are to beat up and burned out because their fifth straight finals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I am sticking with my pre-finals prediction seven game. I got seven games. I got Golden State in seven because I am leaning I need to hear the outcomes of all these injuries situations. I'm leaning to Toronto winning game three on leaning that way. And then we're really going to have a long hard battle of the series, if I am right about that. And I've been right about the first two games, but obviously, clay always says, I'm going to go he always says, what Steve he'd be half dead. And he'd say I'll be ready. For me. And you've had many of them. Hamstrings, their chist once it goes, it's just hard to fix it. Yes. Even if it's just tweaked, it stays tweet for a week. Right. You can baby it. But once you get out on the floor, if he try to grow up because he will, obviously do know basketball activities for the knows what, what we have to win the crack. He will do nothing sitting laying a machine. Get the soft tissue. It was his whole game predicated on all he does is run run. Raleigh does move done dribble. I know exactly she's intrigues catches and shoots. We saw what happened last night without Klay on the floor. They went to what Steph called Janke, defenses boxing, one defenses, and all sudden, it looks like Golden State just couldn't score. Right. That's a long time front five thirty nine down to seven seconds left, where they couldn't make they couldn't even get to the free throw line. Right. What does that show you in jail, you and I keep saying, anu, nobody is now is a pen decided he was dri. Just last night. He played in other long tall defender at six eight to thirty right there dept is gonna wear down Golden State, even at home in what, what have we seen at oracle this year? Do I have to remind everybody six times? They lost by twenty plus points at home it twice. They lost in the first round the plows to the Gripper's in oracle. Right. One of those was a blown thirty one point lead. So do you love him at home, because I just don't aren't they capable of fallen on their face at home, or they're not as invincible as they weren't just. Okay in Toronto did win a game at Philly and Toronto did go win a game. No walkie. And I didn't think they could win either one of those games and they did. So it's not like they haven't been here and done some of this before. Right. Which brings me to Kvant looney again, that, that was a nasty spill that he, he hit the floor hard and their various reports that it's a chest, or it's a collarbone. Or it's Steve Kerr said it was a shoulder, whenever it is it looked bad because he flush on it. Then he flush on it, and that's hard wood, and would you see my guy who run into skill who show? Nuff hit him move now, he'd Anoc Kabbah looney down. He not bogut. He not Draymond. He don't. Hey, shown is powerful a put together man. He's got natural strength. He can just, of course. Sometimes yes to L bay. But again, they're going to lose something without Kvant looney has played really well. He fits them a little better than DeMarcus cousins, but Demark's cousins, obviously a better basketball player. You covered in for a while. New orleans. So you in fact he's from your home area. Right. Mobile L about. Okay. So I'm sure you're very happy with his performance last night that was rise and shine man. Okay. Can they again convert the whole offense back to DaMarcus offense? I guess they got three days to try to figure this out. But I just don't love that. And then Iggy on the play in which he slammed into Gonzalo and knocked himself woozy, if you look at that carefully he turns his right ankle completely over and they said he had his right ankle in an ice bucket after the game. Well, he's already got a calf and ankle. And he was like McCain lease in achilles. He was probably concussed after the yes, so again, do we trust that. He's going to be one hundred percent. No, you can't really trust. Skip, I this juncture, no one's really on a percent. But how many times can you just keep throwing bodies out there? And I get you getting great production twin cook came in and gave you tremendous Affonso mckanie when he comes in. He's coming to get buckets. That'd be he's unbeliev. He get the ball. He go into the rat. And we can't guard. Number two. It's like a mismatch. That's number two scored the bulk of his run there. He he just punished. So you have a injured in probably limited a dollar. You don't know if you're gonna have clay. I don't believe there's no way in the ramp in game three scale just looking at that video and seeing him. I don't believe that he play. I'll tell you what if they had lost last night. I think he would be pushed to play in game three but that they bought him a few more days. Right. So yeah, you could probably probably bought him until what Friday will be Friday, Friday. Nice. That's what you bought him. And again if the raptors do win game three I am looking for Kadian game. Four. And now you thrown a whole new nuclear weapon into the mix, and it's hard man to read configure your your flow on your offense. And I'm gonna say this about staff. I know he made some shots in the second quarter, but I just didn't think he played very well in the weirdest part of the night was and help me out here. How can you get dehydrated when you've played one hundred eight playoff games in your life? And you've played what is at twenty eight finals games. How do you get the hydrated before tip off helped me out? You know what the only thing that they is motion adrenalin? That's what I'm saying. I think he was feeling extreme pressure, because this had been his moment to shine without Katie to prove to the world. I'm not just riding his coattails another championship. Right. And I think he was he drained himself before the does pre-game shooting route. Right. And I think he was gassed before the game and needed. He said he needed an IV during the game, which he didn't have time to get. So I get one after the game, which is obvious to me because it's all about pressure. Right. So he's feeling the pressure. They're feeling the pressure. They're beat up. And again, I think Toronto is in the proverbial catbird seat going into game three on Wednesday night thing it was he didn't start out the first half very well skill but he ends up for seven on field goals to an two to three at twelve point. So you had to feel good about where he was at that point, actually have sixteen. To have been Klay had eighteen. So what started out like man clay is playing really well you look up and he got sixteen points at the have. So he's played me forty point. He wasn't got. And so you look up you like he's not playing well. But you go into the have you like damn he got sixteen point. What happened? I didn't get that any caught little ribbon. But I still believe the determining factor of this ballgame was Klay Thompson being able to keep keep them attach early in this ball game to let the other guys fighting rhythm and played themselves into the game. But clay was unbelievable early. It's just hard for me to believe that they can win this series without clay all star, Kevin Durant, who you believe is the best in the game, every an MVP you doing it. And finally MVP twice in hard to believe and Iggy beat up in you don't have your starting center kevon looney. And I don't know how they're doing it. It'd be interesting to see now. Step. See what LeBron was dealing with in the first bottles against him with no cabbie love with no carry next one. Ways core. Pool is not a bus ways core. Pool is not a taxi ways core pool is not the metro in DC writers ways core. Pool is not a slug line. What is ways carpool and new app lets neighbors co workers and fellow commuters ride together to work and home fast drivers say Hello to that express lane and get reimbursed for gas riders. Gin affordable commute and help save the planet and carpoolers get to know their neighbors and co workers a little bit better. And ways core pool is smart. Not only does it match you with people who are going, your way, it connects you with people who you'd actually want to ride with, so you can commute smarter with no headaches people. 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That's why I met I give him a b minus because it's hard to give him any lower than that because I'm looking at him. He's thirty four fourteen in three. He had a block shot. He was he was quiet. We ask him the great players you ask them to do an awful lot, especially him because you ask him to take on the defensive end. Sometimes some of the toughest guys he's on clay for little while eight and then he drifted over there to dream on. But skip the thing with going to wear on him because he doesn't know from night in night out who he can count on game. Once the outcome was unbelievable now. You're not everybody knows the outcome. The likelihood of him ever having another game like that. Forget the finals the playoff fourteen to seventeen thirty two points playing like he expect more big games, bigger than that game out of him. Well, he have to because that's the difference between the warriors them clay of staff. They normally come hand in hand and then you get that third option with Draymond 'cause you know what you're gonna get regret. Mind, Drake, Margot give you a lot of it a little of this, and a little of that low rebound points. This that's gonna be Draymond. He'll give Steeler to heal block a shot or two. I'm trying. I'm looking, and I'm like, where the wrapped is going to consistently. Get from calorie. No Danny green nad, Margaret Saul seats points. Siachen five of eighteen that's not nearly good enough. I thought he was indecisive skip thirty some opportunity from the three point line that he has attained. I agree. You gotta catch dangling go and rhythm. Brunton. Yep. Don't second. Guess yourself, don't you belong here? You belong in this moment, just ride it out. Just go live with it. You catch that ball rhythm. You let it go. And it doesn't go in. You can live with that is the hesitation that started to cause me some concern, but I'm gonna give kuwa- ABI minus he had five rebounds. One once they had three in one in one possession. Gotta live the bam fleet. He got another hit a three so quiet, quiet skiff. I don't worry about why I know you're gonna give me should know should not thirty thirteen three mostly will kill to have that kind of stat line eighty put it up on a routine basis. You better be careful even bigger things coming down the pipe, do you really? So I'm glad you brought up by your man, LeBron James, because this is now the poor man's LeBron James in the wake of LeBron. And I guess he's watching from his couch. I don't know if even watches finals games. He's a student of the game. Yeah. You why love basketball hurt to watch that, right? Number two, has become the most overprotected over hyped superstar in all of sports in the wake of LeBron we or at least the basketball world needs another LeBron. So it is now number two and because of all that I'm not going to give into all that the way most people do so for his performance last night. I give number two a C, and I am highly us average last night if you do the totality performance given the hype that you bestowed on him you call them the end EP of the playoffs. That's two way player and all about ball. So his bar for me goes way up here at the LeBron level. In fact, we might even put it a little LeBron. Now that angel. And story. You know what's that? What would you do something, you did something like on just reacting to your the best player the player spectator as the best player? He's the best in the playoff and he's the best two way player. Okay. So this number two, he can stuff the stat sheet like nobody this side of LeBron James, and he goes for thirty four and fourteen highly impressive. If you hadn't watch the game you see thirty four and forty eight say that's an a minus maybe you look at the result and say, well, maybe it's a b plus, but when you look at the sixteen sixteen thousand that is highly impressive to me. So I give him high marks for those in. I give him high marks had five offense rebounds, so, so five to nine offense defense. That's pretty great. And he had a couple late that we're just really since Asia, everyone want. But this all all effort, I will give you but his five turnover sh- easily could have been seven or eight he often fouled he charged on that should have been a turnover twice. Lost the ball and his teammates saved him by recovering his loose basketball. So it saved him from a turnover. I thought he was very careless with the ball and had a hard time dribbling through double teams or just beating double teams to the basket. Oh, they are double team. Right. Traveling always not always. But again, Klay took him for a while. Eighty to the I dream on had him at the end you'd think he'd score on those guys. But now let's look at the defense event because he is the best two way player in basketball. I am told I thought he was ordinary last night on defense. I thought he drifted on defense, and you previously brought up on today's show the dream on at one point got the ball. The board in just went the length of the court and laid it in. Right. We've seen do that repeatedly in these playoffs on that play. Number two, just watches. He's just there's no help defense from him there several times, he just watched and there were several times he got beat back door by Draymond where he's just drifting, mentally you're just not in the ball game. And I don't know why. But I didn't see the effort on defense that I saw on the offense of end. So I got a document there because his defense is, is the driving force of being team. It is, but it gets really really hard to play them out of minutes that he's playing. And he's also this is LeBron. So you have to rest on defense. Right. But I'm just saying when you don't know where you you're consistent help. It's coming from he's putting up shots. And some of the thoughts more great. He tried to grow contact and the referees. I didn't think they did a great job on. Ouch. Komo skin twenty six and what twenty twenty two twenty three and twenty three twenty six to many five shots. Own it. But anyway, the refs were favoring. There was some tactile me and call, but when you asking him to show to the low that he showed him, he shouldering. He's playing thirty eight to forty play forty three minutes in game one thirty eight and a half and game to skip. That's a lot of minutes when you ask him to give you thirty plus on the offensive end. But by the same token, exert in normal entity that guy or not that guy I want to know if he's that guy. He's Jordan ask we keep hearing that, then then that should be just kid stuff to him. We'll see you during last run. Yes, got it pipping here and Robin yet. Ron harper. All those guys can lock it that correct scale bait. Number one lock it down. Twenty three twenty was the guy that took the best of the best road coat-tail desk. You, you got a man is create. I am not going to give him what Michael Jordan made Scottie Pippen made it just made him did wouldn't be Scottie Pippen without Michael Lord. When Piff left and went to Houston Portland, what happened nothing all, I know is that when Michael Jordan retired got it pipping hue Hollins blown. Call been game seven the Eastern Conference bottles. Correct skill bagels. You feel comfortable saying say, yes, Scott pipping would've taken that team been Scottie Pippen have a migraine e winning go back in the game. When Alaska him to go. Migraine. He was upset the shot with Georgia for Toni Kukoc and Cuco cheated migraine Hafer, skip earlier, that was Detroit when he had that migraine. But anyway, I'm back to my regional, I'm back to my closing argument last night was on a silver platter for number two to take over game two it belonged to him in his new house. Am I right about that? Yes. And down the stretch you can't go over three from the three point line down the stretch. You can't in the last minute and a half go over to from two point jump shots. You cannot have that costly turnover with two eighteen left, and you cannot have an intercept -able pass somehow go right through the clause that you have at the end of your arms, your the claw. How can you not pick that pass off and go dunk? It give it a play again. You realize that right there when Steph just lollipop that pass because he was he lost his balance, and he just flips it up in the air. Toward Shaun Livingston. Do you realize the NBA finals were up in the air right there? It's fifty fifty because if he and goes and dunks it and they win that game what's going to happen. I think Toronto is going to win the NBA finals. That's what I think approach how big a deal if he had it to do over again, he probably would have filed Shaun Livingston on that plane. They may you could argue and make manual both rogue and talk about that. And just a moment, but several players had a chance to Livingston or, or Draymond or you could go a lot of different ways. But the point was the ball is up for grabs. And he did not make the plight. And he makes his living on defense as well as offense. Well, I just showed you that's a see. That's an ordinary performance by hand has Livingston. Get paid played. Also. He's an NBA player. We expect the great plans to make every great play. No. They're expecting. Remake the play. That was the play of the night. Yeah. The one that he don't give on which one and filling out which one you mean the lucky should the world. Are you taking? Going to give him credit for ball bounce four times on the rain this. Wow, that's great, hold on. You do realize that Wasco at thirty four point the other four star starter, scored thirty nine okay? So who's going to you keep telling me a wide great Niyaz, but I'm need to know. What are the guy's gonna come along with it? The minus. And seeing you actually aren't that far off. I'm highly impressed with my partner because that was some object. All of that's what I do some trash talking is swing this, my name learning and actually it goes back to last night when Steph curry took a major shot at the raptors after the game. We'll tell you all about that coming up next. Back to the finals now the warriors tied up series last night. They were up to in the closing seconds. And the raptors chose not to foul. Instead, they trap step. Hurry in all know, Scott the steel, but Andre Dala hit a wide open. Three pointer to seal the win after the game step had an issue with the raptors d on the play. Take a listen. For quartered airplane. Janke defense is trying to send body everywhere. Our whole Rosser just took advantage of it. Over the course of the game kind of disrespectful Levi's, it would open like that with the game on. He's made big shots like that before you got done tonight. Sankey de San much make that one disrespectful, this gremlin. Rob loose ball. We've seen the quarterback also, you know, he's scrambling around he running around, and all of a sudden, there's a receiver wide open man. How y'all leave him open that wasn't the plan you see a broken play this was broken play. So I just wanna make sure I'm hearing Steph curry correctly. They drew this up says what's going to happen? They're going to send bodies. I'm gonna get trapped. I'm throwing the ball half court. They're going to almost deal wise, going almost from you. Livingston. You're gonna fake like you're gonna look at me. And then do a no look the Iggy in the corner. Nobody's going to be there because they being disrespectful and let him shoot a wide open three. That's not how it happens guys. Get out of positions get when you trying to go for steel because it looks to me they made up their mind, Nick nurse told him not to file, they could have gotten to file a lot quicker. So they're going to say we're gonna play the shot clock. We're gonna get an opportunity to get about. He'll miss why. Why, why would you not leave Iggy open because up until that point you know what it wasn't this one for fourteen in his last three point attempts going back to the Portland and this one for fourteen. Yep. In even that shot that he got. He got it because guys are scrambling for the ball got out of position. And when you get out of position, someone's going to be wide open, and it happened to be Iggy. Would you prefer to be Steph, would you prefer to be Katie of Katie was there clay all things being equal considering who was out there? Okay. Let igure Montek that shot hell I let boogie take. But obviously, you don't won't Steph or clay Clave injured at that point. So, basically, the only guy that you do not under no circumstances taken that shot is deaf curry. So I don't believe it was disrespectful. I believe they got out of position scrambling trying to get a steal. And when you scramble you get out of position someone's going to be wide open. It happened to be eg to his credit. He knocked down. I am with you on this one, the raptors were not disrespecting Iggy Dala. They were respecting Steph curry all's that's it. Yes. And I give Nick nurse high marks for resorting to a fly out of desperation to the box and one that you rarely see I've seen Popovich, do it occasionally. Butt box one for those who don't know. You got four guys just playing zone in one guys chasing staff van Vliet, and you just chasing him everywhere. Right. And everybody else is helping to try to trap staff. They didn't look like they're plan box one on the last possession, but they were definitely trying to trap Steph curry. They trapped him and he almost threw a ball the way almost through ball away. Now. I understood Nick nurse to say I listen to the whole post game that he did tell them if you have an obvious foul on anybody, but staff, go ahead and take it because he detailed the breakdown. His coaching manual tells him if. Twenty eight seconds or more. You don't file. But if it's under twenty seven point nine or less, you gotta think about fouling except you don't wanna foul Steph curry because he's going to make both four percent. Okay. So you don't wanna do that. But there was twenty six point nine seconds remaining. Windy, green made that huge three so it's under his cutoff point. So it's a foul situation. Right. Won't familiar. Get the ball, you go ahead and file and being okay. So who had the ball first way out? High Draymond on valium now. Okay foul. Now Danny green is on him. And maybe he was still in cloud Rita. Just wasn't thinking about what are you supposed to do, but Draymond is a seventy one percent regular season. Foul shooter. Seventy four percent in the playoffs. But would you like your chances of him missing one because you need miss one at three. Yes. Yes. Okay. I would probably like my chances. I take so the risk. Okay. So that's your first shot, and Danny green just stands there and doesn't even attack him. He just lets dribble the ball and then pass it to staff and here comes the trap. So then Steph corinn's out of the trap, and he loses a little bit of balance, and he flips up the fifty fifty ball toward, Shaun Livingston. And once number two, tries and fails to intercept now it's up to somebody else. You have a split second, where somebody could have tried to jump on, Shaun Livingston before he kicked it out, as you could put him on the line, though. He's better. He's seventy nine percent radio season eighty two percent postseason. But still, it's Shaun Livingston. It's more in the George hill mold where you might put him on the line because George hill. It's not been there and done that before I figure trench dream. Okay. Okay. But I, I would probably take my chance to Shaun Livingston, but it's going to be a hard foul because he didn't have the ball but for a split sag. Right. You'd have to be all over him. And Ryan Vlad had a chance. Now you kick it to Iggy or or. Qua going for the steel and get it now you you'd have to just yet pivot quickly and grab grab maybe but, but again, so that's he said we had two people. We could have found now goes to Iggy would would you try to run it. Iggy and fallant will he just wide open because you double Steph nobody because you chose the Levy mold on. It's not disrespectful. It's just we don't want Steph, made some crazy shot or if you let Steph dribble, the clock down and just throw it up and hit the rim that hits the rim, the game's over right? Yeah. Okay. So you don't want that either. So now it's two Dala. And again he shot it too quickly. He was gonna leave. I don't know five seconds on the clock. Right. Five point nine seven seconds left. When eat sizes it up. And he's been there and done all that. And he even size it up and actually pumped once to try to set himself, right? And then nobody ARC's threes higher than dollar does gives you. Chance of making him. But boy, he can go real cold. You just run it out. But if it's the kill shot if it's the dagger, I give him a high shot of making that shot. And he made that shot and it blows up whatever strategy there is because you're only other hope was defiled Draymond. That's no option. Number one foul. Draymond. And the thing when you look at give, you know, Steph cursing, jank defense and his disrespectful clear to the defense disrespectful. Because the getting the tip in, they went five thirty nine from the five thirty nine two seven two seven seven five point nine second, Mark, then it's gonna point it worked. So it works, Hugh disrespect. It might have worked what you've never seen a defense work all your life. This is down the stretch. They were the number one offense team in basketball wreck. But they don't have clay don't have K D don't have. So. You don't have clean. You don't have Katie who are physically. Are you most concerned about will? Let's take that away because everybody Steph goals off skip. Everybody's gonna be looking at Nick nurse. They got one guy that that, you know, can beat you. He the two-time league in VP, and you still let him go off. Why didn't you double? Why didn't you trap him? Why didn't you get the ball out of his hands? He did that and someone is get look. I take away your option aid in your option B or your ops, and occupancy and beat me skip, I gotta live with it. I just can't let option. They beat me. It's just like if I'm a passing team skip, and you take away my I think the path, and they run the ball down. My throat and you got me. I mean that's Tom Brady. Tom Brady was throwing for three hundred and fifty are the game last seven games. We're geared up to stop. It's past lo and behold, Michelle rush for two fifteen and they win. Give you can't stop everything you scrambling trying to get the ball, the last thing you want them to get a shot up or the ball go in the basket. So with scramble. We're trying to get the ball out of position. Livingston may the unbelievable pants because he wasn't looking at doing do it. He could sink in his sight line. Yes, you're just standing there. Why would Steph cut hard through you see it there? But livingston. And they had Draymond on other side Steph cuts hard to the basket. Everybody flops back on staff. So boogie wide open also. Yeah. Which is why Nick nurse said, let me run the same defense ten times and see how many times they beat us. You know, like like he's saying the odds with them. And if I told you that Andrea Godiva is a thirty three percent career three point shooter. What odds would you give to make that shot? Wouldn't you? Live with it. Nick nursery, say, okay. Shoot it with five seconds seven seconds that he had his last his last fifteen three point attempts. He was one of fourteen fourteen guy, one. Okay. So if it clangs, and you get the rebound and you call timeout. Good. Good feeling. Good about, oh, you gotta get because you're only down to yes. Okay. It didn't claim it rift, if anybody else you can live with Iggy shot drain, my you live with boogie cousins to three guys on that roster. You don't won't take in three at any given time is clay Steph in K D two of those three were out injured. So the only other guy that you really, really concerned about taking three point shot. Staff. Okay. He didn't take it give give give credit for that moment stepping up in hitting hitting it. Okay. I think ninety five percent of all other coaches would have made this game one. What was from the three over four? But was that disrespectful, the left over all the ads steps just protecting teammate, just, it's okay? I get it set a question. Now is did the raptors blow their chance to win this series last night? Crisper Sards joins us to answer that question. After a stressful game. It's only natural to need some well deserved rest, upgrade your current sleep situation because mattress firm is offering the best bed deal of the year. Get a king bed for a Queen price or a Queen, for a twin price for savings of up to seven hundred dollars. Plus take home, a free adjustable base up to a six hundred ninety nine dollars value for free. You'll only find these deals during mattress firm's Memorial Day sale, so don't miss your chance to start sleeping like a pro shop now at mattressfirm dot com slash sale. Mattress firm's Memorial Day sale is offering the best bed deal of the year. Save up to seven hundred dollars when you get a king bed for a Queen price or a Queen for eight twin price. Plus take home a free adjustable base. That's up to a six hundred ninety nine dollars value free. Visit mattress firm dot com slash sale. For more details. Back to that game last night. The warriors started the third quarter in typical fashion in eighteen to know run then held on to win game to Klay Thompson. However left the game early in the fourth quarter with a hamstring injury. And yeah the warriors struggled without him. They may just one basket in the closing five minutes. However, it was a big one Andrei Guadalupe hit the game. Clinching three in the closing seconds to tie the series one one name three Wednesday at work. We are joined now by f s one NBA analyst Christopher sard, Chris, when you look at this one was at more about Toronto or more about Golden State vote, after it was more about Golden State, and I not get people that might want to say Klay Thompson miss the last eight minutes, you gotta take advantage what they did. They went on the ten on run in the game before Igwe dollars three pointer. I also saw Toronto. Obviously miss some open looks right from three but that was more of who. Toronto is they shot almost forty percent from three in game one. That's not who they are. They shot thirty four percent throughout the play offs to that point yesterday. They were a little worse than usual, but that was kind of coming back to who they are. I give golden sacred. I thought Golden State was the pit Amee of the heart of a champion and next man up. I mean, we could look boogie cousins I was skeptical when I heard the Steve Kerr put him in the start line of all may. And here we go. Was I you know, I agree and you saw from the first possession, how he got into Markus. Aw. I thought even a little too aggressive. He might have been filed the first possession. But to your point every time DaMarcus had the balls hands. I was a little nervous like I was rooting for Golden State, but it was like little shake. Right. Is he going to shoot a three any obviously hit one, but his passing like he was he was like a spectacular role player yesterday with the eleven points, ten some big rebounds late, but his pass is were great and overall thirty four they assisted on thirty four of their thirty eight field goals that was a finals, the, the most highest percentage of assist since nineteen sixty in the finals. And so that shows you the teamwork. I mean, how many backdoor cuts boogie has some great passes? I thought Draymond was sensational like he was the MVP of the game. To me. He pushing pushing the pace almost had the triple double. Sad before the game after game one, I'm gonna have to get in PASCAL Seok them. Any did because I'm not sure that off. Right. And he wasn't like like Russell Westbrook has said he going to change some things that right? He he did it. And you know, it would dollar is just a winner. If you look back at his tracker, go to Philadelphia, I agree. The big three Garnett and Pierce Ray Allen to seven seven-game Delfi, which wasn't a great team. He goes, the Denver, they win fifty seven. He comes to gold stay in this run begin. So he's just a winner. And, you know, look, I the only thing that they did that was terrible with Steph throwing the ball in the air, getting that t- at the end which could have come back to haunt but was going to. That. But the I thought Golden State showed up when they had to you mentioned that they had thirty four assists on thirty three thirty four thirty eight thirty eight because they're the only team without K D that doesn't have a guy that can go get you bugging on his own. So the ball half to move. You look at everybody else they've had that one on one guy that get out. Don't worry about this. I got this. That's not what stuff's going to do. Steph clan do that. But if not gonna say clear that Claes not goes, they clear Cidre my not gonna say clear that maybe boogie cousins, but boogie has stepped out of that role in order to blend better into this role which is, hey, okay. I can't get twenty shots. I can't go one on one and do and do the sanitation truck and be beat back everybody down. So he's doing a great job of moving the ball. But I told you, then I take more my on the every tell you. I told you about Golden State look. Doi- believe that how do you wanna gain when you lift deportment deplore because Ronald shot thirty nine point two percent from the floor? You're gonna lose. But if you let the opposing team shoes forty six percent you lose games getting any bad, if they play they're still had an opportunity to win it now moving forward. We still don't know what clay go have clay said that the things you're the pop that last time we heard a guy say, you had a pop say he will be, okay skip how many games. Getting old. And he was supposed to be out six months. Yeah. He can't make it five with pain pain pain. So look give the warriors credit because clay also said after the game say we we'll show that what we're made a wish that we add the heart of a champion. There's a reason why we're in this position, five straight NBA finals going by Thailand, five years. They're made of the right stuff. They, they don't count themselves out. They believe in each other, and the ball moves, like I said, again, Kevin not, not going you. They're not better than with you. Not being there, Katie, their berry bearing different. And that's okay. That's not a great deal. Great. They're great. They're even greater with you. Because now see Kevin Durant would've never allowed to what happened last night. Five thirty nine and you go down to six seconds before you get a basket now and they never would have been able to go box. It would buy one, exactly. That's like seventh grade. Say cl- Katie going to one of your bucket right now, slowed is run down. So they cannot be tanto Katie on the court in that situation. So this was the warriors, the raptors but don't count about yet. Hello. Right stuff to thank you for bringing up that guy because I gotta take issue with my friend. Mr. Broussard, sitting to my left right now because he said last week that number two is answered every challenge. So now I'm going to talk about the unim- VP of night. I give Mr. russert all every positive pointing made about Golden State. You're dead right about all that they have is Steph said after the game championship d in a in it manifested itself in many big little ways that you detailed so beautifully. Now. All I know is that game was begging for number two to take it over and win it. And if he had Toronto would be a two zero and everybody would be saying, could this be sweep? And I think Toronto would be perfectly positioned to win its first ever NBA finals and NBA championship and down the stretch last eight minutes of this game number to turn back into just what I told both of you. He is not. He is not a clutch closer. I watched him for seven years. I know what he's not made of he is fragile physically. And sometimes mentally he is supremely gifted. Listen. I was the guy who was arguing against you all those years that he was rising and shining in San Antonio. But he needed somebody to close for him. He needed, Tony Parker, money Ginobili or back in the old days. Tim Duncan too close for him. And last night, he needed somebody else to close because he said the day before. I was in a box in San Antonio. And now he's out of the box. You go. Look at what I tweet. So number two comes back in the game. With eight minutes left and down the stretch of this game. He misses all three of his threes. That's with seven fourteen left, five, fifty four to forty three he misses threes. If he makes one or two of those, we might be having a different conversation right now. He had a crucial turnover with eighteen left tries to dribble, it into traffic and just loses the basketball, you can't do that, if you're that guy in that building on that nor dream on the way from it. But you just can't you gotta protect long, get to the basket in the final minute and a half number two had two nine foot two point shots, and badly missed both of you just can't you gotta make one of them, and maybe we're having a different conversation. And now let's look at the two scoring plays that he had both of them highly debatable and controversial because the first one was six thirty eight left. He gets away with driving into the middle and throwing his elbow into dream on in flat out running over him and knocking him down. On and then bogut tries to get in the way. And he almost bogut, hit them both with an elbow. And then he comes on a heck. Okay. It's a heck of a mate with his feet on the floor. He travels like are leaving. Okay. The balls leaving it hasn't left as he's traveling with his feet on the floor and just happens to throw it way up off the bat. The backboard in it trickles in they look. Okay. It's an offense foul. He hits dream on his heart as he can left elbow, right into chest and knocks him on his back. It's charging, but they give you may in one. So that's half of his fourth quarter points. That's three. And then here we go with the more controversial play with one eight left leads to a technical foul, and Steph curry, because he drives on cousins and cousin's just reaches right in and snakes the basketball right away from him. Damarcus is capable of doing this. He got all ball DaMarcus is out of his mind trying not to get a technical himself. He just knocked it out of his hands and it goes right to staff and Steph heard the whistle before the ball touch. His hand. So he just follows through and throws it into the raptor rafters, and it's technical foul. And he goes in makes all three free throws. And I give you made sixteen sixteen. That's insatiable but six points that are controversial come on an and one and three free throws. And that's all you got this is it. This is your game to win because guess what Golden State doesn't do as we've been talking about all morning from the five thirty nine Mark all the way down to the seven seconds. Mark Golden State can't score a point. Not a free throw or a basket. They score zero. That's impossibly bad for team that led the league in office this year. But obviously they don't have Klay and they don't have K D, And they don't even have kevon looney to set picks, all of a sudden, you got nothing but box and one on staff, and they, they look Overmach didn't they get a shot up? I think though we can point those things out. I mean we can go down the line and point out like Steph drive into the lane got dig. I think it was Siaka more. Somebody got all the bad call. Yeah. Souls estate didn't deserve those free throat. Right. So we can look. I mean, whether it was this game or just historically throughout auto admit point those out number two had game to write in his hands. That's where you got a close. Well, and he has closed throughout these playoffs as he. Yeah. I mean. Game seven in buzzer buzzer. Beater in NBA history was it is to luck. I don't care if it was your or did it go through get three point? Said, I write Allen memorial. Switch. Lucky? It's auto care. Put a backboard in the clutch close, only one in the history of the NBA. It didn't even count ends. I know but you got to disqualify. Well what about you? How do doing games this again? Milwaukee six I. Me. Okay in the whole duty. And I didn't even get to my closing point here. Speaking of defense, he's the best to way defender, the playoffs the playoffs because he goes both ways he can do both. He K and what happens on the crucial play of the night. Steph curry corinn's through the double team. He loses balance and he just flips up a pick six pass. It's just sitting up in the air floating toward, Shaun Livingston. It is hey to take it and go dunk it. That's what would happen if he intercepts that ball. He's going to go dunk it and maybe and ones that at the other end and they win the game. Excu. You got to you got to intercept that ball. If you're that you're the law. Claw, primetime on Saturday, NFL rebounded. Wait. We saw before we waited out a past they collide through over three people that didn't get intercepted barely got there. What are you back it up back it up? Hey, so what's the point you're doing apples to oranges saying Steph threw a terrible pass? I it was terrible. And somehow Shaun Livingston who shouldn't have even been in the game except for Claes injury. He beats to to the ball and to cook a terrible angles. Like I don't even know what he's thinking. I'll say this Kawai you'd probably jump on this. He does not look like he has the explosiveness. Excuse is no knowing. Why not explode? He doesn't it not a deli? But it's nothing look as explosive to you. Yes. No. He looks out thousands thought run up and down the Colorado. Oh, he's knowing out gay played thirty eight minutes. What's he got a bruise? I'll know what it is. But I'm just saying, and I give you his body for his tough and big and strong as he is his body is fragile is fragile, but he does not look like Chris got what we just saw. We saw DeMarcus cousins come back after just seven weeks of a torn quad. It's a miracle that he played any play twenty eight minutes last night, because he had to play twenty eight minutes and they got away with it. My guy is no longer in San Antonio. Number two, used to be my guy because he missed seventy three games with a bruised by a Bruce tie your quad muscles your muscle. Okay. You miss seventy three games and wait. Damarcus miraculously says I'm gonna suck it up and tough. It out for my team because I've never been an Ambi but hit, but they play different positions. They have different style is easy for big man because boogie was already slow like he was quiet. Yeah. But again, you still have never. Yeah. Come on and other things. Get Golden State is a great defense when they wanna buckle down. That's one of the things that gets overlooked in this championship run, Nick play great defense, you got England dollar and Draymond out there. Two of the best defenders before he got her soberi. I'm just saying, like, for to think what we're seeing this different. Nobody is controlling games and taking over in these playoffs like we've seen LeBron do in the last several years. We're used to him be so dominant. Now, there's a plus minus two that because I do think Kawai and Stephanie's guys are fitting better into a system. A team system and other guys are getting ears, but LeBron has been so dominant that it. Does look like why didn't take over like LeBron takes over? Why does stuff take over, like LeBron's eggs, Oko those long stretches where he just disappeared. I never see clutch closer. I've never seen it. I watch over seven games. I've watched him. I probably watch more than both the you combined. Yes. In San Antonio, because I watch every day, but every time he closes you, you say air. Same reason taking the look at his fourth quarter against philli and tell me that was closing. He kills his every single day. Not even Michael Jordan. Everything that overtime games get Milwaukee we had twenty twelve win Janas fouled out. And he finally caught fire after Yoenis fouled out in the second overtime. Wait a second in the first overtime when he had two shots to win it miss both of you. Are we talking about the same game in regulation for where the last minute and a half, he didn't even touch the basketball or score point while Milwaukee goes on a five to nothing run to tie it? About that one. I'm talking about the only. Only seven buzzer beater, right, again, the history of basketball. I remember nineteen join with nine of thirty five from the yes, but I don't even know why I'm for six with six case closed next quay. Push this morning. Is that about? Difference up next. The warriors won last night for the seventh straight game. No, Kevin Durant. Haiti was cheering on teammates from the tunnel, but he hasn't been able to practice the injured his calf this weekend. Steve Kerr says it's visa Bill Katie could make his debut in game three Wednesday. If he can practice tomorrow, we're joined once again, by Chris Broussard, Chris, give us a little bit inside scoop, Wendy think we're gonna see Katie on the we'll look we saw him in the flip flops. I wasn't that optimistic this in the flip flops and I say game four, you know, obviously, they need. I mean, this team is being held together by masking tape. I mean, they're falling apart before you know we obviously know about K D Igwe dollars struggles now, clay, Kevin looney. I mean, and they can't force K D out that you would say okay, if clay can't go for game three or fees hobbled. Let's get Katie out. There you can't play with this injury for him as an individual with his free agency coming up, but also for the team because if you force him back early. And then he re injured over. Yes, so I would say game four look, they're going to go out there and try to win game three obviously, they're going to have this next man up strengthened numbers mentality. But you wonder if this could end up being a look we gonna lose game three because if clay can't play katie's not back. But let's be ready for the next four three games or whatever wouldn't be left four five six seven. So this looks like it's going to be a long series, I would think that Toronto. We'll find out today about clay's awry, but one thing is show me yesterday when they started DeMarcus cousins, they're not playing. They're not buying into the whole we, you know, the ball movement and player movement is better without Katie and. It is. But they're they want their all star starting five. The fact that they our shot that they threw boogie cousins in there. And the fact that they did that shows you as soon as K D can play as soon as he's ready. They're gonna put him out there and they're not gonna worry about what the Ciro, right? The rust and I cannot see Kevin Durant coming back, like boogie there as far as he's only playing twelve minutes only eighteen men, right? I think when Kevin Durant comes he starts immediately, as he should and he's like a focal point. And he's gonna to close to thirty minutes if not more like that's what stars superstars do when they come back, you rarely see them come back and be a role plan build up. For me. I don't think he's gonna play I think this game that they haven't ruled series into Siri. I I'm looking at hill move around in the tunnel watching him on the core for shoot around in those flip skip. That doesn't look like a guy that's going to be ready to play game three. I got doesn't look like a guy that's going to be ready to play game board now. I could be wrong. I'm not a doctor. But I'm just looking at the way he moves skipping gym shoes. He's not even shooting Steve Carson fake shooting on his own. He's throwing the ball because he doesn't want to get up on the toll shoot a shot, and he's going to be ready in two days. Nah, I don't see that happen. Look, I believe that they forced him out there. There's a greater risk whatever the injury skip. I don't know if they're giving us the full extent of the injury. But I believe if they force him out there for game three or game for there's a greater risk that he reengineer, whatever the injury is and friends looming. With the war, you thinking sign five to twenty one or anywhere else you can go for years at sixty four sixty four I don't now for me. The lead fifty seven million on the table. That's asking an awful lot again. But skip out on notifying to tell you about Anthony Davis in your pelicans that you're leaving that same amount on the tape, what about Kawai leaving eighty, you know, if you go all the way back to San Antonio already to leave their will. Around San Francisco bathing water. You know what I'm saying? Silicon better back out at all. So great plain, and he invested he is really know how heavily invested a is in the community and in New Orleans. We're not talking about that. We don't want, you don't want to smooth smooth is gonna try to do with smoking we I'm trying to. Kevin the plays in game three or game porn. I am leaning toward you on this one, the signs keep killing me. No, no, no. He's just there just gamesmanship ING the opposition trying to make more about little should we prepare or not for him. I don't even know how Golden State prepares for both him and DeMarcus back in the lineup. It's just crazy. It's so hard on a basketball team. You know this, right. He in the right low, and they were in such a great rhythm against Portland. Obviously going back to the last two games it gets Houston and, and to throw these two huge weapons back into the offense. And they're both ball dominant. And DeMarcus cousins has been among the I think he finished second one year in usage rate in the league. It's unbelievable. The ball has to go through, and after a while last night, he was going through on every session. Okay. There's a big game being played above the game in Kevin won't like that. I'm going to say this but he has to have as he watches in the locker room. I still don't know why. You won't just put on civvies and go down there and just sit on the bench with his teammates and contribute to the huddles, clap, his hands or scream something Drake. You know, do something to contribute on the floor because he just stay if you ever heard anybody just stay in the locker room. I'm never seen it before. Buddy comes out in the tunnel, when they're coming up the tunnel. Halftime. And after the game, okay here's the game within a game in this, what Kevin what like he has to have watching TV in the locker room mixed emotions about what's happening because he is human, and you've brought this up and he took you to task for, but he's got to be rooting forest teammates. And then there's this little tiny part in the back of his mind that's rooting against his teammates, because his legacy is on the table. Right. He's human, and I get it all your better judgment, your your, your better instincts. Tell you I'm four my guys and I love to see my guys gut it out last night win that game. But if they had lost that game puts you in the power position. Right for me. I believe if Kevin rans flaying, the wars up to anyway if Kevin Durant males up to go do you. Yeah, they're up the wars would be up on the rap. All right. That would be absolutely guy. So he's playing so you're saying it would just be bizarre. Nobody just. Yeah. There's no question that this series has a lot more juice in again. You hate because it's unfortunate for K D there. But now there's really a question is who's going to win this play KDB ninja Kabbah looney? Okay. You got at some point in time. You can't keep winning final games. Get with your third with feel six seven options playing major maintenance, which brings us to Steph curry, and I still say he's also human, and there's a part of him. Maybe even a bigger part of him that does not want Kevin to return because he has his opportunity show, the world, I don't need him. I can still do I want to the back to back in the second one was unanimous and I'll show you. And we talked about this earlier, I'm going to bring it up again. It was so weird last night before the game started. He is suffering dehydration JR. Strange, one of you ever heard that a guy who's played in what is it one hundred. And eight playoff games and twenty four finals games. You know how your body works you how to get ready for game? I know how to get ready for a marathon, you have to drink drink drink drink drink. Right. That's how you get ready if during the right stuff and the right amount of that stuff. And he knows what that is. But you also don't think it was nerves. Yeah, but what you sweating. And he didn't even look like he sweats. But, you know, you're losing water. You're using out your liquids sweat more when you start to worry you start to think because when you start playing Super Bowl man, I'm playing the Super Bowl. Yeah. That's a big old. Approach it like a normal game when you start letting the magnitude of the moment is like, okay. Katie's not play. And now it's only gonna get worse because guess what? It Klay doesn't play. So now you down, Katie Klay in Katie or down to me. There's no pressure. Steph, we're all you gotta be because went expect him to win the us if he does he done all. No. It'd be tremendous and with because I've said, look when Katie wins Golden State. I feel like we've been robbed of seeing this Steph right for the last three years. But yeah, like we haven't seen this Beth, but my man across the table is making the point if they pull this off. Now Steph could make a case. He's a top ten all time blow day win Utah without clay for what I clay you play for just one. That would be as much as I liked. I can't imagine they could win this series without Katie and clay. But, but if they do if they did, it'd be it'd be incredible. I it'd be but, but here's the thing, the one thing I'll say about staff. And this is different from a lot of superstars. He had the juice when network, Draymond was Texan K D, And let's go meet with him. Have you could hear them who's weekends of Mars and look? No, we wanna do it. We should have won this year. We gave it away. We want to. We don't as great as we knew any didn't. So, whether you think that's a positive or negative. But I, I really think he wants Katie back, then that show weakness like, okay. I know priority is winning another Chebeya's sports. You know, is great in in life humility, selflessness notify now, if K D instead of Katie, and Klay doesn't come back and still curry loses. Everybody will say nobody expected them to win but I know what guy that play without his second and third best player in. Nobody gave him that unless. Be honest, Shannon. Nobody is put Steph curry on LeBron's. Lello jonky, actually back in twenty y'all. Keep telling me a Steph curry is another title. He might be equal to if not better than this is coming up. This is what's been happening since LeBron didn't win the chamber once once car Rian. Kevin love with down. Did anybody expect him to win? A guy who is up two games to one without Kharian. Kevin love in his house. We're game four and some guy. Iga Dala just took him out. I don't know. Thirty six bring it down. Them to win the guy that's yoga. You voted for the Nancy has you put that on your resume. Because he likes. Competitive juices, flowing on a Monday morning. All right up next. What was the biggest reason for the warriors win, Rick euchre's, your answer that question up next. The finals are all side up at one, one after the warriors big win last night. One of the crucial moments of the game happened early in the port. When Klay Thompson fell awkwardly after shooting a jumper had to leave the game with tightness Hammy and did not return the other big moment happened in the closing seconds the rafters choosing not to fell leaving Andre dollar wide open for that game. Clinching three. We are joined by Bleacher report, senior reporter and writer, Rick euchre, Rick, my friend. Yeah. Give us some insight here. What was the biggest takeaway for you from last night's matchup? Number one, the biggest takeaway is the high risk game of chicken that the warriors are playing with the health of their players you play DeMarcus cousins. Twenty eight minutes you play Andrea with dollar with issues with his leg. Twenty eight minutes. Didn't even couldn't get Klay Thompson out of the game quickly now talk about possibly playing Kevin Durant. They are pushing all of their chips to the middle of the table and saying, we're just going to try to find we're not gonna worry about tomorrow, we're going to try to find a way to get this done now, and we'll see alternately how that plays out as far as all that is consumed by the white quick update from you on what you're hearing about katie's return if any I have heard to what I can tell you this. There are people around him because when as I told you guys last week it was concerned about the severity of the injury. And I thought I see it. I have a hard time seeing him playing in this series. I went back to those people when Chris Haines had his report, and they said. We don't think you should play if he played now also saying, look, katie's gamer. He's one of those guys and we've seen Terrell Owens. We've seen plenty of guys play with injuries that healthwise. You should not play with because of the moment. No doubt. Katie's being swept up in that. But the idea that he's that he should be playing if indeed he does is a very big gamble with him on the precipice of entering free agents and no Klay Thompson, the way you've known him for a long time shot. Do you give him a being eighty percent ready to play a game three? He'll find a way they'd have to stay to have to strap him down on the training table for him not to play. Can you magically heal a hamstring? If it's truly the Quinn. Yeah. The question is because he continued to play after which is a good sign. He s he did sort of drag it around for about a couple of minutes now, had it had it had ice on. It was hob. Alling afterward. How much of that was just a tightness fatigue thing. And how much was it? Then he tore something we'll find out. Hm. The biggest takeaway with the warriors coming up when they absolutely had to have it. You look at dream Andrei. My was magnificent Klay Thompson. I felt Klay was really the biggest reason because with the game could have gotten out of hand in the first quarter, it was him that kept them attached because staff did not play particular, well there, the stretch, so you basically, look at about ten minutes of that ballgame from about four minutes in the second quarter till about six minutes in the third quarter. Steph curry was Steph curry, but it didn't scoring to say Skippy on scoring seven points in the second half at sixteen and a half, and he got those four four minute. Chong. Yeah. So he didn't play like the Steph. We know we can play a bullet with unbelievable eleven ten and six because he gives them the dimension that bogut and cable. Come on looney can only dream not only score buckets without you thought him lobs he can go get what he can put the ball on the floor drop step, and he that the basket those other two guys can't do that. And plus he can pass better out of the post. Then though the big guys. Now the big asset better screens. They met a rim protector. He but Steve Kerr is like rim-protector is one thing, but I need help me put the ball in the bucket and. Man iggy. We will look Ablett had five points before he made that last jumper. Let us think Iggy play twenty eight minutes five points. And the only thing that matters is the last thing to happen. He made that shot. The big mistake was by the raptors, they should have just in that instance, absolute file, and the warriors take. I'm sorry, and Andrea dollar taking that shot is a mistake. You open the door for the possibility because if he misses it now the raptors are getting it with enough time to come back down tied up, send it to overtime all the options are available. Agreed the smartest play would have been for Andre to hold it for them to hold it. And as Nick nurse referenced throw it up there with a couple of seconds left, if it doesn't go in by the time it comes down long as good. Yeah. It's over. Okay. Which is why he told his guys foul. Anyone except Steph and why Danny green just watched dream on dribbling the ball up high. I don't know guy Danny green. You remember you cherry pick the game six. That's why he's no longer. Lebron supposed to FOX him out in LeBron got a second try at three. It wasn't the last one. Right. It was another made and pop looks back and says, if LeBron had made that three then we're not, even having any conversation, because it wouldn't have come down to the last show. Right. So Danny green had made a huge three and I think his head was still up in the cloud somewhere, and he wasn't really thinking about I should go foul him. Because that's what coach told us, we should go foul dream, right? Seventy one percent foul shooter. I would he make both of them? Maybe I'll make. I'm glad to find out. I would to my other takeaway is the warriors. Can't stop the raptors. They cannot shut them down. We saw them shut down the Portland trailblazers. We saw them suffocate them the raptors. Yes. They shot twenty seven percents, and three point range, some thirty seven thirty eight percent overall. They had open shots. The, the mistake that they made was ultimately, they were missing shots, and they allowed that to affect how they got back on defense. And now the warriors are getting in transition. The raptors have a decisive advantage athletically in this series maker, miss Nick said, if we're making shots at doesn't happen. It shouldn't matter a warrior should not be beating them and transition. They allowed I think the whistle because they got a tough whistle in the first half took away their aggression. The of look our new when I fell, Scott foster amyloid, twenty brother of it's in Detroit. Oh, yeah. You were any? In doing that run. If you think about it, okay shots. Not going in. Does anybody wanna put the ball on the phone and get to the basket? Yeah. Maybe the file. There's anybody wanna do that. Well, but they did at the end, when they missed three or four threes. But then they did it individually each guy took it upon himself drive, and kick drive, and kick eventually something's going to open up. They all tried to do it on their own. And this is where the warriors experience and the double teaming of Steph like this is what makes Steph unique as a superstar is that you can take him out of the game. He he's six foot two. You can limit what he has to trust his team rice, and this may do that, and he is he is. That's where the whole idea that he doesn't want Katie there. It's not the way he's built right now for my biggest takeaway, the Golden State Warriors survived and won that game last night while going from the five thirty nine market, the fourth quarter down to the seven second Mark without scoring a single point, not a free throw or a field goal or certainly of three. I'm going to ask the question here should draw knows number to get a pass for that, that Ron right there. Because everybody's giving him pass, except me and for the last eight minutes of the game he was pretty awful. Geno on tend to three down through the end of the game. But number two, is the guy he's the takeover guy or so I'm told he's the guy who has elevated Toronto into a finals. A credible finals member where they now belong in the finance. Okay. So if it's your team, and your new town, and you're building now you have to take that over. You can't go for the last eight minutes and miss all three of your threes. You can't go for the last minute and a half and miss both of your twos. You can't get lucky on the two plays that you got fouled on and make three points and three points on what I thought were highly questionable foul calls, and that's all you got those six points and you did make your free those I give you credit for that. And then finally the play of the game for me is last possession, they trap staff. He dribbles out of it, but he's losing his balance. And he just lollipops up an off balanced pass toward, Shaun Livingston, that number two, if he's that defensive claw that you tell me is, he has intercepted and go dunk, slowly. Then legs. Nobody's I'm told he's hurt. Rick, rick. Regonis. He's not playing with the same the same movement Jilani note. I agree with that one hundred that said I disagree with that one. We, we, we got a new you disagree. I, I gotta say this again. My quarterback Preska. He's got two bad knees. So next year though. He'll never be right next year. And I got up but he has a Zeke Elliott Russia deepest. Why didn't have that luxury giving him? I'm not giving quiet. You just got go guy at the end a bucket. He's gotta make a play or a basket agree. Because if you make one big player basket. We're having a different conversation if they're up to now brings Durant into play. And we're having a whole amazing says speaking of quiet actually stay in Toronto. That's a good question. Great question. And we want to get some more pearls of wisdom from twenty. Letter in his raptors are just three wins away from an NBA title, but speculation has been that he'll leave Toronto and free agency this summer, the clippers the reported frontrunner. But hey they're not so fast. True reporting quiet is likely to re with Toronto, at least on a short term deal, we're joined now by Rick, Rick the over underneath think there's a possibility that happens, the short-term signing do, I think there's a great possibility that happening no matter where he goes. And the cautionary tale is LeBron James with the Los Angeles Lakers, the before, and the after of LeBron James, what we see with Kevin Durant. Having being on a short term deal gives you the influence and the leverage over the team that you're with to do your bidding. Otherwise, I'm out the door when you are a star of Leonard caliber, you have the ability to dictate that he doesn't want to lose that LeBron did that very thing signing the long-term deal with the Lakers. Suddenly, we can't get the coach you want some question as to whether we're going to the players, you want how we're gonna make deals that you want quieter doesn't want to lose that and at this point, the money is so great and the medicine is so good the idea of having a career ending injury. And needing the security of a longterm deal does not outweigh the ability to have the table set the way you want it set with whatever team you happen to be with a situation where skit where he's settles in stays because this final run is showing him. Like you know what I can't leave the team because you mentioned when he won vital. MVP. He had Dunkin the best power forward to ever play the game of basketball. Yeah. Go ahead. He had he had PARC who's already to wanna finals MVP. He had mono mono had led the team to the Olympic gold medal over the Americans now. So really he was the fourth option was that won the finals MVP by Emerson. Six sixteen seventeen points the game. Okay. Give okay. We get try to diminish this may. He got the trophy they don't have his own the trophy. I can assure you that I think the trophy close seriously Marco bell and Marco. Now that they all could not good. Blue. Lebron's team off the floor by a record finals margin shooting three point shot threes. But what I've heard I've heard him speak both for the last several days he's speak for the first you know what? You know what he said, you know what I kind of, like you know, I never thought I'd been a situation where I get the lion's share of the shots. I get this. You I never thought I'd be the guy to get twenty shots of game. He's liking that skip. And guess what when they say they rolled out the red carpet, I don't know what's better. The red carpet. But Toronto is rolling out for. I feeling good today. Take it off. I feeling as a matter of fact, I'm not feeling good today, tomorrow or Saturday, take it off. They gave him twenty two games. Give below management, say you know what seat is quiet? You stay all your meals, a free can why they got a knife high-rise the pin houses. Yours wa just resign with us. So all this weighing in a lot of money. But like Rick said, you know what he can keep his leverage outside one plus an option due to plus an option. That way, if y'all start that funding seat. Lebron kind of died down now because he gave three option C should went without two dollars one in the option. And then we all act funny out of dip. Don't y'all outta had tire. Lou up in here, and I had the general manager at I want up here or out of been loan gone. He's not going to dip on Hollywood deal. Well, we went cross the street levels. I'll go to. Yeah. Point of order before I say, what I'm going to say about this guy. Gregg, Popovich in twenty sixteen gave number to the lions and the Tigers share of all the shots, he could shoot as many times as he want that one or two in those days. So put that in your box, no, too, because I have no idea what he's talking about still with past that you had you could only do one thing. One thing he could do whatever he wanted to yes, he could with power. That pop know that dad is domineering. You just can't wait to get out from under couldn't wait. He had one game was the game. Remember we talked about. It was a Saturday night game at LeBron. The went to overtime, you forty one that was career out of your box that night, I don't know. I never had he's never had as many isos. No. I never had as many isos I got down as he's had a whole lot. Trust me. I watched every game that he ever played. And once he was given the mantle in twenty seven two. We're going back a year ago. Twenty twenty eight nine twenty eighteen twenty. Yeah. Twenty eighteen once everybody said you're gonna you're an MVP candidate and once pop said you're the guy now we try to make lamarcus the guy. Now you're the guy he crumbled under the pressure to live up to that. So I don't know what he's talking about right now because I think he's. I thought he was crumbling last night on the pressure to close the game thirty fourteen three in Crumlin. I, I respect what you said about him. I'm just going on his track record. There's no way he wants to stay in Toronto. Toronto's great city. I've been there I've done all. That is really great. But it's in Canada in it. Snows hard in Toronto. He does not love big today's rate. I begin good. We getting good exchange on money. I don't know. It's, it's. Tally is right there far as but it McAleese 'cause we got water, we got eighty degrees everyday. Correct. But Dennis lives in New Jersey and his talking about number two uncles Dennis, and I'm sure there's a part of him that is pushing, hey, let's think about the next. And let's think about the nets just in case somebody if K D goes, there would it make any sense to play there. Obviously Dennis place in jersey, New York. And I'm coming LA. Okay. So I do not disagree with you. He's from here born incompetent raise riverside. So I get all that. But that was his goal from the start I need to get to Los Angeles, somehow someway. And that's why he quit on the Spurs. Enforces. He did when he was injured. One of the element. I Bruce one of the elements with the Spurs was the fact that they offered him. They wanted a little bit of a discount. He took great exception to that. That is not like give you that huge factor here. And that to me speaks to why wherever he goes, he wants to main that maintain that lever. He's the man I'm K D. I'm LeBron ever. You think? They superstar superstar, I'm one of them, he's above and beyond that, Shannon, because whereas I see some of these other guys looking for someone to play with Colli looks at it and says, I don't need anybody else, the difference, I want the best situation for, you know, I have that luxury because he'll never be able to. He'll never be considered. They pay the on K D is trying to be considered a pant youngest LeBron James is trying to be considered so he has a luxury but this guy's not pantheon doesn't why they offered him as little as they often. They weren't completely sold on him as the clutch color. Why, why would Gregg Popovich, get on the plane coming to see you? You convince I'm the guy why you, you wanna wanna lose. I wanna give. Well, okay. Why you don't give me MAC. You know what skip this, my office? Can you meet that note? We don't realize no spur in the history of that organization. Ever rebelled against that they'd all taken it. But okay, what you just said. He said he was a different kind of Ken, how you going to try to that. Can't like you try to treat it all the rest of the canton, Iraq. Always apply. Rinky sound much adding. Very much. Well, what happened to drink of drama? Raptor superfan. Drake has been front and center. For the first two games of the finals last night, though. His squad took the L after game one Drake appear to call Draymond green trash, well after last night's win by Golden State Klay Thompson, and Katie gone. A little payback. Take a listen. Talk. Five. Been waiting to jump all morning. What you make a drink it. Why would you. He real quiet that AOL. Here rep Ian on cotton. That's quiet with realism. Yeah. Did you like really? I wanted rather win, but I want them to shut him up. Really? That's one of the reasons I k plus two equal seventeen but anyway, if he was sit down and behave self like a nice gentleman should letting in that and that's normal skip normally close to the floor you all blood. You have nice little cotton tail you like oak, but that he he haddish he he'll be the taught rope. Wail cloud aga- the pool. And so, now I black clay gatty clad as they yet, Klay caught him all recalled him by government. A good did call him BA, you know, that bomb scale. Yeah, I love now every on a good. Lane known that's like calling dream on trash for. He deserved everything he deserved it all. So I loved it. You are missing the point you needed breed Graham lasts I needed him to be Drake because he was Aubrey Graham sitting in that all night. They didn't even show him on TV because there was nothing to show. He got his risk slapped by the Commissioner. And he just he just shrank in his seat, and sat there quiet as a little church mount you needed Drake to be Drake to entertain to ignite to explode that crowd, especially you needed Drake in that eighteen to nothing third quarter run because all the reporters at the game said it was just dead. In that building after halftime. I don't know if everybody's up at the concession would that what happens? They don't they didn't get back to the seats and time and time they got what happened we five all those good fans. Maybe there. Fan you need Drake down there. Inciting a riot on the court, you need him, getting under the skin of the red hot Golden State Warriors, who were on a run like we've never seen in a final game there on a twenty two nothing run. It's never been done in a finals game back to the merger nineteen seventy six this, you know what happens have time people go to the bathroom, go get. Okay. Ooh. Twin your head cheerleader needs to take? Oh, he was, too. You think he was out to the lunch? Maybe. Gabby wallow you Nick nursing the Masai. Well. They needed this. All you need it. I can't believe you're saying this one night you needed Drake on your team. Because your team took the l three cases worth okay. Three about one youth, though, nothing you needed him thought about trash. Okay. So there up there talking big and bowl, too. And again, we'll see. He's a soc- in the bay area or all day. Okay. You're not gonna see Aubrey. Well, we'll time I twenty second does not travel so what cafe are you? How you get to be a super fair that you don't travel your front. Aw. Home arena front. Okay. He's really good at it. You want to be considered like the superfan like spike now or Jack Jack you got the travel, you got to go to the opponent teams arena and have those fans yell screen, it have cut off a yo faith like they did fight lease Indiana. And they have cut outs spike. Oh, Jack com. Oh, if you real-, maybe we're real about this fan. I thought I think he will real about realizing Adam silver cost you three more cases, a diet do when he put Drake, literally back in his place in a see you don't roam from there. You stay right there. You don't step out like down all commissions syllabi met him. Yeah. Good job guy. He's got the best. Yep. Yeah. I got it, but he just cost you three cases, they, I missed Drake class. Eddie. The act also told me told me do a great job busting down across the sea. I tell you what he told me I was there. You laid out what he told me. Yes. Fictionalized neither. You are great job doesn't yet. I would he told g bust me up last night. He cost you, they, they called me though. CRM and disol- in Karelia degree caused me. Singing their praises you needed Drake Drake with a puts out. Nothing. Yeah. He did what he did nothing exactly. I wanna see him with did. I if I do not see him with the night he's not going to be when is he ever been there? All right, drinking, not let go. Well, he shall up in the bay area. Bigger question are the warriors now in control the finals break that down. Time cry final topic for today, the focus, of course, the next two days, the warriors health like Dobson says he'll be back for Wednesday's game three and Katie questionable. But since unlikely to play right now, the warriors are a five and a half point favorite Shannon, you're early thoughts on game three. We'll take the war your skill but I will use this caveat Bassim soobee Klay Thompson able to play if clay Keble needs somewhat, you know seventy five eighty percent I'm taking the warriors the oracle going be Rory. I'm expecting to see Drake front center. Are you really kind of blow with the wind and the wind is blowing Golden State? I told you that the winning six. Okay. So they opened as a five point favorite game three and it's been already up to five and a half. So the bandwagon is rolling warriors, I am leaning raptors and I would love that five and a half right now because Golden State. It has struggled at home all year long. Remember, they had a twelve point lead. The raptors did in game one or twelve point lead in game two and they did cut it to, to last night with twenty six seconds left. So it wasn't exactly a big blow out was it. But that was on road. Are you know what they do at home skip? Bayless vinyls. No, I don't know him to be closer less LeBron than Bob. They lost twice at home to the clippers. They blew a thirty one point lead at home to the clippers around one. They, they didn't really respect the clippers. They didn't expect them to be as good as they were. And you know, sometimes you get that little law, your gas and teams fast. I would take the five and a half but I do not bet on number twos team. I just don't. It's just against my religion. I'm sorry to win. Well, I don't want him to, and I'm just what's going to happen. I was right on game was right on game to game three. I kind of like my chance you'd be right. Oh game seven now I think I'm good great stuff, guys. That's if you're today. We will be back tomorrow morning at nine thirty eastern. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny Taft. Join us again at the same time tomorrow morning. Nine thirty eastern. See you then. 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The Drop - Raps Let It Rip

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The Drop - Raps Let It Rip

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Follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the starters, or check us out on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash the starters. I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook Thursday, drop but very similar to a Friday drop. We got the pun gun. We'll step into the complaint that area and you know, high stepping on the beach reading your tweets in your emails, but I the warriors left shorthanded after Klay. Thompson was a late scratch raptors took full advantage. Give me some wrap the news cli- leading the way Lowry, and Danny green hitting threes. Everybody contributing for the raptors they basically lead wire-to-wire final score wraps one Twenty-three warriors one oh nine again third consecutive game. The warriors go on one. Oh, nine wraps lead the NBA finals, two to one tasks, I saw this tweet going around last night, and they'll start with it at Brayden home yard, imagine telling any raptors fan a couple years ago that they would beat the warriors in the NBA finals at oracle with Steph curry, dropping forty seven points. It was a dominating. Win. And I don't even want to throw a but in there because of the the injuries that happens to every single team in every single playoff round injuries are part of it. And, and that was just a domination. The war of the raptors knew that they could dominate. So now let's talk about the injuries because I can see. Faces. I know you wanna talk about clay and K D but really, it doesn't matter the raptors knew that this was a game they needed to win hundred. See with quiet Leonard coming out of the tunnel. Norm Powell trying to give them a fist bump before the game as he walked out and quite Leonard looking the other way just staring off into the distance. Like he was the night, king knowing that he had to go and kick ass. And that he did the entire team when all five starters have seventeen or more. You mentioned Steph curry. He was the only guy who beat any raptor, at any position, you know, cousins was outplayed like crazy by Mark associate KOMO plagiary mongering needed, although played by Shaun Livingston. Oh, played by Danny green by a tiny even Lowery. Did it did a great job to try match up? With Steph, you couldn't do that for family. It was the best player on the bench. It was a dominating win fifty forty ninety the really real story is that the warriors sucked defensively and for the fifth time. This postseason one hundred twenty defensive rating, which means one hundred twenty points or more for every hundred possessions. They've done that five times this postseason. They did that five times combine the last four years. And that's really the story. That's how dynasty's fall apart when they lose they lose their defensive prowess, and that seems to be happening. I keep seeing sort of some variation this morning of the only way Golden State had any chance of winning game three is if curry hand delivered enough scoring to make it. So there's some truth to that. But it's not one hundred percent. The only way Golden State had a chance to win game three with no Klay Thompson, and with. No. Durant was to play stellar defense to win the game with defense and then have curry Carey you just enough. And they did it. You said it all there you went through it. The rap scored more points at the oracle than any, any previous finals opponent during the Steve Kerr era. And it was specially clay you saw. How important you was defensively. I think for this warriors team all these guards. We're talking about here where Lowery finally gets it going Danny. Green six threes, Evli stellar. Again. Colli for that matter getting sort of oddly, quiet thirty points. Yeah. Klay woulda helped him that because he would have had some of those matchups he would add some of those guard matchups, and I'm sure not all of those guys would have been going off. He was he was missed on that end for sure. Definitely draymond. Green had guard quite Leonard for most of the night, which meant he wasn't the help guy and Draymond is at his best when he's the help guy he's playing you know to offense of players, the one in somehow, he's able to beat you into the wrong pass and still get back there. But no Klay Thompson means Draymond sliding onto qui-, which means who knows who's helping because DeMarcus cousins wasn't fast enough to help Andrew bogut was for a little bit. But he kept getting tired because he was out of the NBA for a couple years. It just didn't have enough guys, but super impressive by the raptors the come out in a must-win game. You know, you find out Klay Thompson, his out, you have to win half sue. You have to win end the warriors hadn't played in oracle in twenty days would have been easy to tighten up those cheeks and say this is a must-win game though, that wasn't the case more of the raptors at all. They were playing loose and free. The ball was. And everybody was fired up. It was awesome. It's funny with this warriors dynasty team with so much talent on it. I feel like we've talked in years, past, like, jokingly, of course like be fair, if the warriors just gave a game one in in a setting in a series matchup, you should like have to give it and play from behind because they're that good. Oddly. That's sort of what the raptors have been given here this opportunity in this game three with the no clay, and then the no, Katie and no loony, who was missed offensively as to we should point out. I think as a rim, protector, and at least sort of managing to stay in front of guards at times that was it. I mean, that was like all sorts of mattress. Don't put I'm saying you've got to go win the game. And this was an awesome team performance. But it's literally sorta like hey here is a game here you go. And we'll see what happens in game for if Clave in place. I expect you will. We thought he was gonna play in game three. We were shocked with that. And I think this will be the return of Kevin Durant now because they are from behind, and it's like they're the go. You took advantage of it. It was sort of given to you. You still had to get the W had played good basketball for forty eight minutes. It wasn't easy. I mean I was still raptors fan at times there in the third and fourth quarter going. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's getting a little closer. You're getting a little too close for comfort, but they always had an answer. That was, that's the raptors the difference with this squad. They seem to have answers to stop some of these runs. Sometimes had that crazy, Danny green three pointer where he just catches. The ball in his leg jumps, eight feet, four to make his three dollars wild the Fred van Vliet just throwing moonshot the guy shoots. A curveball every single time issues the ball at spins sideways, but he has calibrated perfectly, and he, he's on fire right now the raptors were super impressive, because there were times when it definitely felt like the warriors were coming back. I thought that second quarter at looked like, oh, they got hit in the mouth. Now, they realize we gotta play defense because the defense picked up in the second quarter, that's when I thought the warriors were coming closest to overtaken the raptors but they were able to battle back in stem, the tide tests, you sort of had to sort of semi predictions heading into game three I felt like one came through and one sort of floundered you kept saying Steph curry. At some point now, having seen the raptors defense how they're playing them is going to explode, and he's really going to do it likely if there's no Klay. No, Katie, the forty-seven. I mean career playoff I- unbelievable game. I mean one of the best games I've ever seen in the files it's going to be sort of lost potentially to history because it does come in a loss. It's sort of similar, like some of LeBron's performances against this warriors team in years past while amazing but well came in a loss, because you couldn't get anybody any help you nailed that one. I mean you like literally this is coming. This is coming. This is coming and he killed it. And then the other one though was sort of like the idea like, hey, cousins came back and gay too. And he looked great when it came in game one, but then really got it going into. And this was just a brutal cousin scam. It was brutal. Yeah. We thought you were saying, sort of, like, whoa, that's good for the warriors, maybe he's going to continue to get better. Thank you. I saw game to thought that he could keep it going. I underestimated the fact that a big body like that quite often. You see a guy come back from injury and you see a decent. Performance, and then he'll follow it up with a pretty home performance because it's like the fourth and fifth day back. That's when you really sore, and you really don't feel like yourself you, just you. You're not steadily yourself. So, yeah, I thought those two guys even if clay was a note, there would be enough of an impact and Steve Kerr went with Shaun Livingston, in, in place of Klay, Thompson, and hindsight is twenty twenty but I think Quinn, cook would have done a better job, getting some shots up at the very least, Shaun Livingston. Just didn't want to shoot. And that's Shaun Livingston's game. But their their offensive spacing was absolutely horrendous on that end. And it was off to hear Steph curry after the game. He was asked. Hey Steph, would you have done less shooting and more distributing? If you had other options out there, your other guys, and he's like, yeah. I just thought that Steph would sort of take the politically correct answer and say, hey, my guys are capable guys, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But to have all that focus on him and still put up forty seven. It was cool, a forty seven and lead the warriors and rebounds and lead the team in SIS and lead the team in steals. It's again unbelievable. And his teammates, really, I mentioned all those guys yet Draymond green ended up with a fine line but nobody could perform offense DeMarcus cousins looked like. I don't even know what to call me look, like aged ten years from came. He had no explosion. Like he would catch the ball. There was nobody around him. You're like this is going to be a dunk and it was a slow drop step and a pump fake. And then a missed layup, he just couldn't get up over. Anybody you're looking solemn Mezeray? Maybe he had no skill. He Ricky really didn't and Shaun Livingston. Looked like Ben Simmons light like he he without the defense. You know, he just he couldn't do much out there. But when Nick nurse still making adjustments in a game where, you know, Steph going off and their up eight at half. He says, you know what I'm going to sit Danny green down. So I can get Fred vanfleet out there, just so he can guard him brilliant. And that was amazing to continue making that move in and it helped it helped slow him down. And the warriors offense just looked disjointed. And I want to bring this up before I forget because when Katie comes back and, or Klay comes back, they're not gonna come back and go for forty minutes, and go for twenty five that's going to be another sort of iterative. They have to feel that out too. The warriors might not be like you said skeets that they're gonna have to win it on the defensive end. But they're not a great defensive team right now. And so they're going to need scoring. And if Katie is not himself, and Clayton himself is easily could be I don't know if they win game four but the raptors but they should take take care of game five it feels like at this point. Nothing. It's confirmed that Claes going back for game four. That's the thing it's a warts Durant is interesting. I mean, I still don't I think I truly believe that they both will at the same time in game for being down to one now. I mean, it's sort of a must win for them. But yeah, yeah. Clay for sure lady who knows? He doesn't play more than twenty five minutes to play. He's not gonna play a ton. I don't think they just plop them in there. And then he can be a decoy out there. Sure. I mean, look at this point any clay in any Katie is going to be better than some of the dramatic. So minutes and and cook was finding game to hit threes. I got that, but yeah, they're still going to be better even in whatever limited minutes, and whatever limited capacity. They can even play that cousins things. I think you've gotta give some credit to, to, to Nick nurse in the raptors game plan, especially Marcus all, hey. Let's go at them. Let's put this guy who's only played in three games last couple of months here, put them in some, some space, put them in some pick and rolls. He's struggling to move at all, and even at times. Hey, Mark just take him on the block. Exactly. Right. Did you forget that you're a giant dude? Go to work down there and put some pressure on them. And because oughta great game and we can get to call our as well in a second. But really, it's tough to look at any raptor, and say they had a poor game. Everybody contributed. Yeah. They knew they had to win the game, and they played like it was super impressive. I was a little surprised that Marcus also aggressive inside it was good to see set him up with some Grateful Dead music for a highlight pack. It was incredible. I was like this guy is he is what I would like to be as. A player. He's getting his Grateful Dead highlights. I've seen him sitting in an anthropology just waiting for his wife to pick out clothes. He likes to go garden, Marcus. All I'm feeling it right now. But yeah, it was it was interesting. He was having trouble posting up against guys like Steph curry and Quinn cook in game two and game. Three DeMarcus is huge. But I guess, maybe you know, he's used to the leverage of smashing guy who's kind of his size and getting a shot up. It's different when you're posting up against guys, I suppose the it's a crazy amount of confidence coming out of that locker room one through nine to show up like that, you know as the tweeter said there as you mentioned off the top their skeets. This doesn't look like a raptors team that we've ever seen and quiet Leonard and everybody top down to come out like that to shoot fifty forty ninety in again. NBA finals game is pretty unprecedented is only the third time that's happened since the three point line was adopted, only the third time the words did it the wraps it in the Celtics back in the eighties. I mean it was a domination. It really was. That's why I hate saying. But, but, but, but, but, you know, I I worry about the warriors now looking at that team. And seeing if clay's not hunt percent. Katie's not one hundred percent. I don't wanna I don't wanna Golden State warrior about them because they've done plenty of winning. I don't I don't care. But as far as production goes, if a guy is a little limpkey if he's not one hundred percent. And you know those those two guys yeah. They're, they're great decoys. And Steph is going to get his and this is still a series but their apps should feel great with homecourt advantage back in their court. Yeah. The raptors picked the perfect game to shoot lights out to shoot that fifty forty ninety splits which rarely happens in a finals game like you said, only time ever because I mean by that is the perfect timing because Golden State, their defense, couldn't provide any stops which then could translate into some easy buckets transition opportunities for the other guys. It was. A lot of the time the raptors elite defense was set up in a half court setting because they were scoring a decent clip. And then it's like all right. You know we're gonna play. We're not gonna do the Janke boxing on defense, but we're going to throw multiple bodies at staff. We're really going to truly worry about him. And then then you're leaving these other guys in a half court setting to try to contribute, and the rest of them the rest of the warriors. They only shot thirty six percent. It was just a perfect timing for the for the apps to hit a lot of shots because it actually helped him on the other end. I thought just when it was just the Steph show, and they're really, you know, you're gonna live with the dream on threes he had a couple at the top, and he could doll even hit one or two. But that's fine. You're always going to take that at the end of the day, I didn't feel like Draymond played a great game ended up with seventeen points, but there are so many times where I thought like he had a role to the basket. And maybe he could've taken a lap. But instead he pass it out because that's how the warriors have always played looking for that kick out. He said post game we're looking for more space. We need to play more space and it's true because he was just getting a little bit flustered. I thought with all the bodies inside because there's no spacing out, so. It's like Andrei dolla, an Shaun Livingston are out there. That means you've got two guys just waiting in the lane, I thought Draymond should have been a little bit more aggressive looking to score. But you know that's a tough calibration to make when you've played one hundred games of the season. Dishing it out every time it was strange though, watching that team because they did look like the twenty fifteen Cavs with everybody just tossing the ball back to LeBron like tossing it back to staff and Timothy Moscow probably would have potted twenty for the Golden State Warriors yesterday. He was the second leading score beside LeBron in along with JR Smith and Matthew del dove out there and Eamonn Shumpert, the warriors didn't take it upon themselves to do much. And that's why Draymond green didn't look great. I guess DeMarcus cousins legs weren't there. You get all those waiting for somebody else to take over and I thought Quinn, cook, kind of looked like the second best score. A lot of the time, it wasn't shooting layups. Yeah. Racer mode. Yeah. There's some great blocks out there for sure. Some great, great blocks horrendous calls miss goals, any just thinking about the officiating on this one. What the hell were? They watching half the time there was some brutal like calls made that you're like what the back court violation. Now they ended up getting it. Right. So that was good. That was a weird one couple like just blatant Carey's and travels on both sides. You don't tell them that charge on win. Draymond with standing on the restricted area line. Yeah. Weird. That was the makeup for the cousins, which shouldn't have been called for was missed, I guess, but yeah, so the, the, the vanfleet moonshot that he hits everyone's crying for for travel. Probably rightfully so on collide. But then there are a couple on career. He just carried the ball. He did it twice actually did it like a couple of sessions prior to the blatant, one that doesn't get call here that other one where you see the photo of Marcus screaming because he's like that's a travel because I think curry got the ball, literally went up to shoot dropped it at his feet moved overshot again. Just some just some blatantly missed calls or Beccles. And there was some tough ones like surgeon surgeon block Serge. Ibaka was a block on, he was massive. I thought in that sort of in the in the second half specially defensively and even scored a couple of times some pick and rolls. Kyle is a tale of two halves. Every he really is terrible in the first half, but he got away, maybe with a couple of relent. Well, it definitely was the one whereas on glass and that should have been called the gold ten. Yeah, they were just rest. I. Step slow in this one is that some sort of a record most blocks for a guy off the bench in an EMMY finals game for Serge Ibaka, finishing with what six and then is that what he got? In the end did they give them five bucks? Course slow. Yeah. Okay. Cow, where I don't think I've got blocks on this. You. What are you looking at? All right. All right. I'm there six or. Yeah. Assemby at like, when blocks are towards the end. But the NBA the NBA throws in defense before to the left of field goals made field goals attempted and three pointers made come, I think that was all abroad. Call at one time, like relondo updated, the NBA upper memory tweet is like a scroll this way to see the points assistant turnovers or something. They put the counting stance right away. I remember that. Lebron Wednesday morning. Obviously the morning of the game three I tweeted out. We could really use a Kyle Lowry over everything type of game tonight. And then and then blessed him bless up calorie. Go get it and he delivered they needed this, the raptors did need this. He scored fifteen points in the first half. That was key to get them. Go going. He finished eight of sixteen overall five threes. Always important with them. If you can hit a couple then the nine assists was nice. I mean he. Yeah. Great game four boards and air Korean put the raptors approach their ceiling with that type of version of Kyle Lowry. That's just they're just that much better when Kyle is. Yeah, he does all the intangibles. He's trying to take the charges. He's diving into the crowd and getting into fights with fans. All that I get that's important. And that is the Kyle Lowry game. You gotta score you have to score to your you're an all MBA slash all-star type of player. It helps when you're you're scoring over ten points per game. And you're when your local sir twenty and it helps when you're not being defended for half by Draymond green because. You know, when Quinn cook is out there. He isn't even worse than thunder than Steph curry. So Steph curry is now on Kyle Lowry. Lowery was just getting going. You know curry was trying to do everything on offense. The raptors did a great job of getting the ball up court. That's something Lowery specializes than they got into their offense right away Lowery. Just look like us play with a little extra penalties up and the raptors needed it on a night like last night to just set the tone and say, we're kicking your ass. And he played forty three minutes, leading the team. And he stayed on the court. Yeah. As he's talked. Yeah. Yeah, no fouls. And I thought it was a bad omen. First possession. Kyle couldn't get around the screen. Steph, had a wide open. All right. Bad omen, number one for the rapture felt like, but then on the other end cows being guarded by Shaun Livingston start. And you mentioned clean cook you mentioned stuff Korea's defenders on them, Shaun Livingston couldn't stay with him either new reached an Andrew foul, and the arena was was pretty quiet except for all those raptors fans that were traveling which was absolutely incredible. I can't believe that in an NBA finals game to hear the opposing fan base, especially in an arena like that. And then they all came together after the game singing. Oh, Canada looked to be a good hundred two hundred raptors fans in that sort of grouping at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently all of the university of Waterloo, which is a sort of a greater Toronto area school sends a lot of people to Silicon Valley. They'll live there apparently and they're huge raptors fans. Kyle Lowry was was great. You call that when skeets that was that was a game. It was. But, you know it was the entire team as we said, like, nobody Marcus soul gonna go dominate DeMarcus cousins. Pasco Ceac in my thought was really key in the first half the way he was scoring on the block against dream on green against whoever may dread coke silly at one point on them around. Oh my God. When basketball starts to get into, like turing turns into Kyrie Irving for second really weird. I don't remember what are you doing, but Tim Hardaway double crossover, usually, he scoring with the spin move, but he just said about left to right left or right? I was amazing, and then Danny green oh Danny boy, six threes. You talked about him coming off the bench in the second half and a big part of that, again, Nick nurse thinking back, I think to game to go and Lowery was in foul trouble in the first half. And we didn't come out as aggressive in the second half. And that's when they went on their eighteen to run. I think nurse had learned from that Danny green had three fouls. You know in the first curry was getting his against whoever. I mean he was cooking Lowery. He was doing his thing against greed vanfleet the best defender to put on them and try and slow him. And that's a big part to. He's like, we gotta stay aggressive there in the third quarter. And that was a smart call put in van bleed out there. And then bring in green in any finish with six threes, and, you know, Shaquille O'Neal's getting all the credit here. The big shot Dr the call. I just told them leave it. He told he told daily green. Hey man, this is the finals leave it and stop effing around get your game. Right. And then he talked about guys like Dennis Scott, Jeff Turner, Pasia. These guys he was drumming Razi names deep newest high school goodness. When he dropped Jeff Turner. I started dying laughing Jeff Turner at a basketball camp in like on -tario when I was thirteen whose great great shooter I've ever seen. Hell. Yeah. I don't think he used to shut entire camp. I'm slowly to God. It was amazing. But yeah, it was nice to see him. Have another another good performance here in the finals, these money in the finals for the most part. It is well thing he's moved to I think eighth all time in three pointers made in NBA finals history. Some eight or eighth or ninth guy that shooting over fifty percent from three. Yeah. On fifty. Yes. So shack has The Danny green connection their teammates briefly in Cleveland. They're, you know, in check second last year. And yeah, this shack NBA finals connection stays alive. There's a teammate of shacks all the way since nineteen Eighty-four that's been playing. That's played in consecutive in all every single final since nineteen Eighty-four. It is still. Okay. So now that brings us to a little MVP talk a little finals. Now, you're ready. After after one one, I was I was ready and it was choir Steph, whoever wins the series. Yeah. Right. I bring that up because Danny green almost one of the twenty th thirteen finals MVP not really in the talk for a while for a couple of games. Yeah. So this Kevin Durant. Have a chance if the warriors come back three left at me when I did not do it. I say no. When I did ask it. Yeah, but you can't you can't you can't squint and see it probably not Curry's forty seven point game actually, now I think about it. They lost though. But we'll see what drank gives them. I mean if he's able if the warriors somehow win three straight right now. And Durant is over thirty if he's able to play, you know, thirty minutes a game at scores over thirty. I don't think it's out of the rubble possibility the, the finals I think he has to not play game five excuse me game four for Katie to win finals VP. This is my case. He's got a not play game for. And the raptors have to sort of shock the world and win game four even with Klay back in the mix. They go back to Toronto up three one. Katie comes back at that point, and then takes them to three consecutive wins. Go in thirty plus something crazy every game. That's like the only way I could see it happening. And even then with a forty seven point game in the mix in a loss. Yes with curry, but his average, like his numbers are going to be making. Yeah. And you've got to assume if they were to pull off three straight wins being down in a hypothetical three one Curry's probably doing something. So let's curry tweaks and ankle doesn't play. And it's all Katie. Yeah, there is no way. I'm one percent chance with where I'm at. It's better story if they go down three one, but I would say there's no chance of Katie has even a hope of playing in game for that. They don't play them, not just because they're down to one but they don't want to potentially go down. Three one. And then put him in a game for the first time in game five and him be okay. You know, hidden him not be right in the have to scramble on the road. But I think the other part is. Voters are also wanna give Stephan MVP not not because they really wanna give an MVP. But, you know, a guy who plays in half the series of Kevin Durant comes back that's going to be a pretty big. I think it's very, very unlikely, Katya suggest would files MVP. See he hasn't played in a game yet. Gurry spin incredible. Yeah. It's the warriors would Curry's ninety nine percent chance going to win it. And if the raptors win I think Kalis on one hundred percent chance gonna win it definitely, right? I mean again Colli this was a weird game for to me for Kawhi Leonard hit thirty points. It great box score any big shots. And it was oddly like, I don't know. No one's really piling up the Boeing. Yeah, it's very MJ like in that sense. That's to get the thirty two or it's like and nobody's implying that the man shooting ten free. Throws a game. It's only a problem with James harden. Does it quite letter goes to the line all the time? He cares. He's putting up a ton of points. And he has been clutch when they need him to be, you know, like he's hitting some shots like you're saying the defense hasn't been. I don't think it quite Leonard levels. I don't think he's been. You know a racing shots at the rim. He's not piling up steals. But he's doing everything else, and he's going to lead the raptors in scoring in if they win the championship. They'll give them the trophy. I just want a rant for quick, second here, something that's been bothering me. Throat these finals. And maybe it's because they take so long between games and I'm watching so much content. He's other shows and stuff like that game on tomorrow night. That's great. You're right. That's exactly right. Game four. And I love that where we get together watching it watching at your place. Yes. He at your place. Yeah. What do you want me to bring up? Bring chips, cool. I'll bring your chance I won't be there. I'll be there you want to come over to my place. I want to see the with enough with no pants on. I could bring no pants to your house. Fills you bring no pants. Pitts. I'm wearing under rob corn oak. Micro modell. Here's my rant. Okay. To the to the rest of the NBA media to a majority. I should say of the media, please stop saying the raptors aren't really good basketball team. No. Sh there in the finals, I keep hearing this. The raptors are really good basketball team. You know, the raptors are actually a really good basketball team. Yeah. They easily easily could have had the best record in the NBA, if they actually wanted it if it was one of their goals and, oh, yeah. Quite Leonard doesn't sit for twenty two games. They have quite Leonard one of the top three players in the league that helps to be a really good basketball team. They're well coached team. They're veteran squat they have other all NBA all star like talent. And they took down two of your early east favorites in the Sixers and the bucks. There are really good basketball team there in the NBA finals. I agree. It just sort of his driving me and say, I mean I get it. I get it for sort of heading into a game one and all that people are continuing to say it like it's like sort of a shot. Doc people are saying because the Cavs were not a good basketball team last year. Maybe that's the main thing is like if you took this team that the warriors played last night with just Steph curry, I think he'd probably take the warriors over last year's Cavs team. You're not taking them over this year's raptors to fair, fair. They are good basketball team. I'm gonna keep confirmed. I'm going to keep that in the raptors though, because it seemingly, it's working keep doing tests. I definitely thought. I thought the words would be enough yesterday. And I soon Klay Thompson wasn't soft and not playing. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Yeah. This is interesting. Yours called it a calculated risk, which I think is a little bit bad ass on behalf of the warriors. They're saying we're keeping you guys out. We don't want Katie and clay to get hurt again and be out for sure. Let's see you. Steph curry can just win a finals game by himself. He got fairly close. I mean he put up forty seven if he goes, for sixty maybe that's the case. That's pretty crazy, though, to say, hey, we could maybe push our other all stars to play. But instead, we're going to see if you can win it, and then you had Kevin Durant given the pep talk. I thought that was a bold strategy. I mean yeah. You don't want Klay Thompson to get hurt again. But you also don't wanna lose in five games. If it's too low if the wraps pull out that game to win. You know, they come back there quite jumps the pass to Livingston. He gets the steal to go the other way they score. Maybe they went in overtime, whatever. And but, but clay is still injured of course in game two. Does he play engaged three? Like, would they have a tool whole played them? I believe they would have. I like Jeff Van Gundy asking if they were even gonna plan last night, you know, because he was still there dress. So, yeah. Suppose that they were down to maybe, maybe I was worried about that. And I saw a task tweeting about it like this, like, oh, my God is Curtis. Donna playing on a next level here. He's going to bring in clay, like in the fourth quarter or something like the inspiration. Yeah. Or even just the end of. The end of first quarter, this put them in the corner. He plays the thing was he couldn't run and. Yeah. The issue. It's still sure. And so you need your strings but I didn't know that it wasn't a pain threshold thing. It was that his injury would have gotten potentially could have gotten worse. And so it wasn't Klay just not being able to handle the pain, which she, obviously has right? Not missing a playoff last year, right? Last year with the crazy angle gaining one. That is more of a pain threshold thing. Yes. And you just sort of suck it up, and we know we can. But you're right. This is the like courage, just kept talking about the idea of, like we talked to the doctors. I said can he reinjured this can you make it worse? And there's like yeah. Absolutely. He could the other. That was why they were cautious with them. Katie parts interesting. You see him walking after the game with a little bit of ice on the back of his calf. Okay. I don't think that's a very good sign. But whatever then the other thing about the Katie is that he's going to go up and play against the end of the benchers for the warriors today. Thursday as we record here the day off in between games to see if he can just get up and down. I mean, how are they really gonna value? At just if he's not injured like he's not going to go hard against everybody at the end of the bench. And the warriors assistant coaches is he I guess he is. But is that really a good sign that he's going to be able to play in an NBA finals game like that? Intensities got to be so different because the warriors are not practicing on Thursday. It's just gonna be, you know him against Jacob Evans and and Dame Joan and they're just the Marco Chris DeMarco. Yes. On atom. Exactly. Got. If Katie lights up, Ron. You're looking for that's the barometer. Those guys aren't going to like body him. It's always felt like game force been sort of circled right on the calendar for for a Katie return. It's that's what we've been sort of led to believe. At least. Yeah. But I it was he has to go through a practice before he plays. And now it's kind of a practice before he plays because he's not practicing. He's, he's hanging with the assistant coaches and I just I just question how good he's gonna look in game. Four think Klay will look better, just because he's been playing or maybe like cousins. How do they look in the next game? Honestly. I mean you know, if Katie and Klay play in game four maybe they, they have they look great. They look sort of find the moving. All right. They get the win. Don't you want to percent? Kevin Durant who hasn't played for over thirty minutes of Alphonso McKinney, right? Like I mean, I don't care how bad Kevin. Durant is I'd rather him be out there limping and maybe getting hurt for the summer. Yeah. Especially if you're. He might leave typically look, half of these guys are have some sort of injury right now. Right. I mean, quite got to have an injury cer- feels like that around. I mean, the raptors are not nearly as hurt as the warriors. Come on. No, no. They're not. But warriors have better players in the raptors though. That's a rafters are good t- got the they're really good basketball team. Well, the warriors were pretty upbeat this, why I think Clayton Katie are planning for they're pretty upbeat following this loss. So maybe they know something we don't and it's just them that confidence using through what you think. And dream on post game. He said, no one cares of guys are hurt. Everybody wants to see us lose. I'm sure people are happy that hurt. We just gotta continue to battle win. The next game go back to Toronto win game five come back to oracle when game six and then celebrate fun times head. Yeah. Confident guy. Yeah. He definitely has. And you think back to like a two thousand fifteen finals when they were down to one against the all LeBron team. They were confident heading into game four as well. But the difference then was David Lee had come in giving them a huge spark in game three right? Remember they found out the whole we can just dish to him on the short roll. He'll find somebody who's open. Let's play that way. They didn't have that happen in game three this time. So, yeah, I'm sure Draymond his competent because he's always confident, but it's a little bit different to me. They just must know that they're getting somebody back. Yeah. I think that's right. Would you short short roll is important, though. Jerry mongering when he got into the pick and roll with Steph, it worked. But they just weren't using it a lot. I think they're trying to conserve, everybody's energy steps energy, primarily get him off the ball and not having to bring it up and get trapped, but that one does work and Steph was even in the short roll at time. So they're gonna use that more, I think what everybody think of the Kyle Lowry incident going into the crowd getting pushed there is a scoop about that. Yes, he is a warriors minority owners. Seen the scoop. Yes, I've seen the scoop. What's, what do you think? Heels win axios drop instead changes feels like a real about it. The status of the man pushing makes it kind of makes it worse. Doesn't that definitely? Yeah, what do they do? Does he pay? Right. He wasn't. Yeah. It is strange. Band in, in the world. But I I got a classic Lowery here. He's trying to goad somebody into something that's just his MO, but then you see the guy does reach across and push them for no reason, and seats and apparently did say stuff as well. We don't really know what he said. But yeah he deserved to be you. Can't go pushing like when you're not saying, like, if Lowry was right on top of you and then you're trying to prevent yourself. You know. What's the word squashed smashed up? Yeah. Squish a loved one. At felt like don't sit there and felt like marks yet. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Because it was clearly an angry push. It wasn't. It wasn't like a UFC fighter tapping. No, no, I can't breathe because a woman, I believe taps, right? Someone does give them like this back as they're helping them us the person who was actually involved in the incident. I'm the worst part, the guy wasn't even like he just sat there. And you know, got us phone took a nice little pick up Kyle Lowry throat on your Instagram stories people are going to be re tweeting it. I don't know. Yeah. He shouldn't be at any more games. Maybe they'll make himself his little sharing the to hopefully. Hopefully it's, it's an it's an expensive push. Hey, can't be pushing yeah, it felt like Larry went into the crowd, and we all held our breath thinking as, as you said, skeets, hopefully nothing happens here, but Kyle Lowry took the position that we've all learned from the Russell Westbrook dealing with the jazz fans, we've all learned that you just don't do anything to fans as if you're an NBA player don't mess up. And then that guy comes in pushes him like Kyle Lowry. Bumped his buddy at the bar or something. It was just a reserve. Okay. Outta here, man. But to hear that it's a minority owner. It's, it's real real weird that he doesn't have the, the wherewithal just and not do anything, you know, just, hey, this is the coolest part of the NBA season. This is why I bought a portion of his team because. Yeah, I'm a venture capitalist and I want to make money. But also, like this is part of the experience L straight. There's more of his status is going to do this. Some rich guys like, yeah, I can do whatever I want. What's, what's gonna drink? Jake would never push opposing they'll come on. We don't see guys and if he did with a massage nice. We don't see guys in the front row. Get into the little scuffles, like say it's more likely someone with I don't know millions or billions of dollars that feels pretty entitled is going to do something like that. Then you are. I probably sitting there and just happened to be like two seats down from calorie in front of us or another player in front of us push him angrily the guys at the mouse, and the palace were all millionaires. Thank. Situation. Do you think it should be banned? I it should be up to lower. He should either get to choose this guy is kicked out of the rest of the NBA finals and has to sell his portion of the team or he gets the slap him in the face once on. And it's, it's at media day. So you got a lot of cameras. We get a lot of coverage. I think it'd be a fair punishment. What about we Seinfeld at any has to become Kyle hours Butler? Okay, that's fair to well, Kyle Lowry wants to ban for life because I I've heard call say that about four times in the three hours after the game, he set it on Scott van pelt, I believe you said it in the post game press conference because man shall never attend. Again. So he's he believes that these campaigner of the warriors have released a statement. Okay. What are you got Tim Bontemps? Thanks for the statement sounds like you got a scoop. This receives behavior last night, did not reflect the high standards that we hope to exemplify as an organization. We're extremely disappointed in his actions. And along with Mr Stevens offer our sincere apology to call arena, Toronto Raptors organization for this unfortunate misconduct. There's no place for such interaction between fans or anyone and players at an NBA game. Mr Stevens will not be in attendance at any of the remaining games of the twenty one thousand nine hundred finals review of this matter is ongoing. And if you want to, if you want to contact PR person, the warriors, PR man about it. Raymond Ridder's phone numbers five one zero. I don't know why he's number is on this. He's got take these calls tough. Job only call, Raymond. Everybody call Raymond. Okay. So just to put a button on this, it is Thursday game four on Friday night, because this is the this is the weird part of this final schedule where it is just a one day off in between. What's, what's your vibe for game four and the rest of the series? How it how it shakes out. I mean, are you going to continue to doubt the wraps game forum Delton, okay? Feels like the warriors will be you think it's gonna healthy and have a best of three series. Yeah. And that's great. It is. The best part of a game. Three raptors win is the ideas. It feels like this is going seven. It really does to make sure that does. Yeah. You agree. The raptors will win the championship have Klay Thompson. Kevin durant. Don't play for the rest of the series otherwise. I think it's a toss up probably going seven okay. Let's hear from you. Guys. Jump on Twitter, hash day, the starters. Let's hit the beach tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five you can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Zanny dot com. 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Does feel like it from all sides Kyrie's side of things. The Celtics side of things I saw this season. He said he wanted to have his jersey retired by the Celtics. And our like he's gone for sure. No, I mean, crazy as well. So I'm walking into Manhattan briggstone yesterday there's photos of him walking. Is that what they're called? Brixton's. Brownstone brownstone. It's a real skeets is Mr. Berg. Mr. brick stone. So what does that mean that means he's not gonna play for the Knicks or the nets? It means nothing but me if he likes to hang out in New York, like every other NBA, where was it in Manhattan or second, third avenue? I feel like they said and he has the biggest smileys headed. Without the biggest we've seen guy. So it felt like he was staying for a why wasn't a hotel. Those are expensive man. I bet all those bricks. Bricks or stones, actually. Well, you know, I like the Lakers because Katie can go back to the war, or go to the team that beat him. I think kyri can rekindle with LeBron, but I liked the nets even a little bit more because it's more of a direct battle against LeBron taken his own team on the other coast in a huge market, just like LeBron has that in Boston different New York's bigger and Boston. True. That's all. Okay. So I, I don't know you would go between those two I don't think he would go to Nick's team because of just the everything that comes along with the Knicks team. Records, sort of we've talked about this in the past of if you were in Kyrie's camp. And you had the decision to go, let's say to the Knicks or to the nets you've been very pro go to Brooklyn. Right. Because of a lot, especially because a lot of negative reasons with the Knicks. Yeah, for sure he's just he's not a lover of the media's not a lover of organizations. I think that falter I you know, I don't know that for sure. But I don't know the next seems like too much of a little while. But what about the problem with the nets of they have a point guard a score? I point guard right now in a free agent, of course, who could go sign with another team. But you're not I can't imagine. You're gonna have a team with Kyrie Dangelo. Russell, but you're also taking carryover Russell in a heartbeat. I would let the ngelo Russell walk in the second. If Kyrie Irving says, I want to sign with your team, maybe a sign and trade him to whoever. So you can try and bring in Anthony Davis, or, or whoever it is. That'd be and said, I still wanna see the nets and the clippers signed somebody. Before. I'm going to actually believe they signed somebody. I guess, maybe it comes down to who is Kyrie Irving, better friends with, as he better friends with LeBron or is he better friends with Kevin Durant. Yeah. And I don't know the guy seems to change his mind quite a bit. So maybe if he's on an upswing with Durant. He's on a downswing LeBron. But it's the summer LeBron kyri can hang out have fun. I hope he stays in the Eastern Conference. So we don't need another guy going out west. I agree too many all stars in the west, we need something to stay in the Eastern Conference as exciting this year coming in thinking therefore teams that could go to the finals from the east, and that's where the Knicks when it comes to Kevin Durant. Have the I guess the advantage when they sit down with him can say, hey, we have the cap space to not only sent you. But then you can have your pick of who you else. Would you like to see as you're sort of you're running meet, if that's another guy? I mean, that, that's where the Knicks sort of have a one up on some of these teams they just have so so much room. Hey, Katie, who do you want you on Kyrie? Well, let's go try and get carry try and get them there. It seems like it's too much of a like they're getting to no matter what. Right. Yeah. They think it doesn't doesn't seem like a foregone conclusion to me, you know, like, as we've talked about what the Knicks their last big free agent signing was Amari Steinmeyer that's a long time ago. And so for them to for us to say, oh, they're getting to, I guess, if they've come to a pre-nup, you know, him K, D, And Kyrie Irving, that they're going to tie the knot in New York. Maybe it'll happen. I don't know. But yeah, the Knicks organization has sure seemed like it seemed like they thought it was a foregone conclusion all season long. And as for the second part of this question from v you know, what impact could his decision have on the rest of the free agency? Let's the crazy part, I think about this summer. It's like not only Kyrie's decision but probably more importantly, katie's decision. Oh, the pelicans decision with a D. And whether he's traded, you know around the draft or before free agency. I mean it's like all these balls are up in the air with some of these guys, if there's this idea of like them teaming up together, like a couple of these big. Names, like you know, who knows with Kawhi, but there is clay, we think he's gonna stay Cambe sounds like he's gonna stay because just pure money. But there's some other ones like sort of second tier guys, you know, like that are out there, Kevin just wanted to add another K. Why not? Tobias and de ngelo and, you know, maybe even Middleton if he does, if he moves on from bucks. But yeah, it's, it's this like, are they calling each other and going? Hey man, like where we're gonna try and do this probably feels like twenty ten again, twenty sixteen. I feel like was the last big free agency year when Kevin Durant became a free agent. And, you know, there's huge caps bike everyone's wondering where he was going to go. But that was kind of, like, where's Kevin Durant to go? And then who's going to get all this crazy money, which ended up being like, you know, MAs got the Lakers, Dwayne Wade to the bowl of all these weird twenty ten. When all these Chris Bosh Dwayne. Wade, LeBron James Amari Carlos boozer are all going to become free agents where they going to end up. Are they going to end up together? The plan have been in the works for two years ahead of time. So I would imagine there's some sort of plan in the works though with Durant, and Kyrie Irving their mind changers. So maybe they're they've got a couple of contingency plan. Yeah. No, you're right and kyri if anything he should look at what's happened. Specially with Boston this year, and, and success. He's had. In the past and go. I'm amazing. I'm all MBA but I need that other guy to there's got to be the second guy. So is it a d is Katie? Is it LeBron? He really truthfully should be, you know, the, the one beat two something to the other one, a that's I don't want to say he's like down. He's like he's the second guy he's the second banana. But that's when he's at his best. I think. Want to hand him just the keys to be the franchise. Yeah. That'd be the don't want to set in guy, and, and maybe you want them on a team that has a little bit more of a veteran presence as well as we saw this year dealing with all the young guys was tough for Kyrie Irving. So maybe the nets are a better choice from that standpoint because. You know, Spencer Dinwiddie seems like a grownup care sliver, it seems like a grownup Demari Carol obviously as Jared Dudley in the locker room as opposed to the Knicks. It's like Kevin Knox's twelve years old Mitchell round and fourteen years old. Right. That's a lot of young guys. Yeah. Yeah. We will see whether or not they've even made up their mind, yet, it's a fascinating just wanted to point out one more note about the photo of Kyrie Irving walking into a Brownstone house. That's fine huge smile. He also has like a monstrous duffel bag. I mean, pretty big duffel bag looks like you stand for a while, and he's wearing what appears to be as Cavs championship. Little signal. Lebron? Hey, I value, our friendship. Let me see the house. Real estate. Oh, you're looking at Kyrie Irving. Yeah. You're looking at Kyrie Irving, but there was a report as to what type of host. I got an magic you'll like this next topic here. Matt is right in your wheelhouse. Hey, charters. I mean starters, you gotta discuss Paul Pierce admitting. He needed a wheelchair in game one of the two thousand eight finals because he had to take a poop was he kidding. I'm so confused now. Miller wrote this in at some point last night, probably before he saw Paul Pierce tweet. Sorry to bust, y'all haters, bubble. But the only hoop emoji ING, I did on June. The fifth two thousand eight was on the Lakers, hashtag fax hashtag haters gonna hate. So people remember see, he didn't poop at any other point that day pooped no times two thousand we're talking about game one two thousand eight finals. It is called the Paul Pierce wheelchair game because he goes down with, you know, some sort of injury on the baseline and he. It doesn't need to sort of look that bad when it first happened. But he's down there. He's clutching on his legs and stuff like that Tony Allen writes, Calabria, the pick them up, put them in a wheelchair. He's wheeled to the back takes poop. I guess, and then comes back to this. Unbelievable applause and Willis Reed, like, and I guess hopefully get that game when victory. Is that right? Yeah. I guess it is sorry. But we should point out that the rumor is that he kicked on the floor. And thus he needed the wheelchair to conceal the poop. That's not part of the conspiracy. Yes. Otherwise, why would you need a wheelchair to poop? Right. Why wouldn't you just kind of them? Yeah. That's what I think, that's what Cianci asked him about immediately. Yes. Some streakish some Shaka's. Yeah. Exactly. White shorts plantain. I saw pictures being shared are those Dr. Yeah. There are some photos some something. Hey, my favorite road of all, that is that people are, like, look at Tony, Allen's face what he's carrying because he's gotta stay face like you smell the dirty diaper. But I don't I mean, if your pants admit it, man. Yeah. Yeah. We all do it. We're all grown up too often bear pants. Right. Yeah. Right. One thing we can Jodi a back and wrap some paper towels from the MAC, waistband your spandex all the way around to the front, waistband, your spandex, it'd be fun regardless of whether or not he pooped his pants. We can all agree that his statement that he did was a joke. Yes. There was no way. That was an admission. He was writing a cheeky entertainer. Yes, shaky Indy, which is why then he had to tweet to confirm. Hey, I was kidding. I mean that's what you couldn't even commit to the bit. Paul Pierce, you suck. Give it a week. At least seriously. That's the whole point of doing a bit where people think. People think Lee Ellison. I hate each other. I'm not gonna ficials say we don't maybe doing. That's a bit. What NBA broadcaster have we talked about more during this postseason, not true? Leila's. Yes, because he's on our show tests mel's getting caught in an airport. No. That was the story of the final right? It was in the third round. Conference. Finals anyways, we have not talked about another broadcaster more than we have Paul Pierce. He's doing his job. So for you to see he sucks. I think is a little off base. That's what every broadcaster. And every every television show every production is looking for hits links, Tassie hoop, doctored photos, and he's keeping that. So do you think. Okay. We got some when there's a car crash people slow down. And look that doesn't mean we want more car crashes. I, I think I thank you for responding, but I do not find that analogy in this scenario. It's exactly what we want. We want Mike Goldfarb crashing that Paul Pierce car over and over and over. And that's what they want. That's what I want to ask you, and Matt. And everybody JD trae. So it was the eleventh eleventh year anniversary of poop gain of the wheelchair anniversary. The last night. Right. So Indy pre-production meeting, you know. You know, we're going to talk about this, we're going to air, this is it decided in that meeting? Is it Mike Goldfarb? Is that somebody else say, hey, Paul, Paul, what everybody thinks you poof. You should admit you should admit tonight that you poop, even if you're if you're joking. Okay. You're saying even come up with this bit himself. I mean, man, you're making JD do a lotta extraordinary just say poop. All right. Yeah. Really, truly planned out or was that sort of off the cuff for Paul Pierce, at least when they were live on camera. All I watched was the clip that was cut for Twitter. So I didn't see earlier but they didn't show it. They didn't like when he said, oh, yeah. I want to admit America, Finally, I pooped my pants. They didn't role in the footage, which leads me to believe it was not pretty. Off the cuff to me, but I want to say one thing to Paul Pierce, a happy. Got you. Put some ex lax in that coffee cups of thinking. Jaylen could have picked him up carry them out smart. There's no guarantees that we're getting to a game six, but if so, I will accept this as my challenge for the final. So you're pooping my pants. I'll do it. I'll do ex lax in the coffee mug. Probably pants anyways. Yeah. There's a reason. A reason. Crazy crazy. All right. Next one with the raptors drastic park reaching peak fame, I was trying to come up with names for potential outdoor viewing parks for other teams. So far, I've only got the Cloverfield for the Celtics, but I'm sure you guys can do better. That's from at jewels Evelyn at jewels Evelyn. I always struggle with that, when I look at it, the first time been fantastic with the tweets by the way, Jules keeping coming. That's a good one drastic part. But you like they're going to have this going and a bunch of other places. Do you have other? I you know name ideas for some other teams the Pacers should have pit row own. That's good. Get tuned up. I liked on pit rats. A really, really good. I'm gonna let really I had the pistons with the garage good to ever in the garage. Yeah. You down to the garage. Tonight doesn't need a ceiling. That's the problem. I mean that's a good question the hive, I know the Hornets call their actual arena, the high out of the times, but the hives buzzing pleasant. Yeah. Pleasant. Yeah. It works works K. Let me see here. Let me look at some teams the bucks. They have. I know I don't know what they call it. What did we ever Scott's this? We did. But I forget what district. Here's the blind, or is that for ducts, it's for ducts, but I just didn't have a deer blind. Let me know. Meals, be killer. You're hunting and the other teams who are not. No. If anything every other team in the NBA when they played the the blind. Okay. What's bullfighting once the arena cult just called? Marina. Daughter, look that up JD. I don't know what do they call it a hobby. Nest. Yeah. Yeah. These are just off the top of the nest the wizards dig- on Allie. Never even seen. Harry potter? How are you doing? The bull ring. Strip bullring one. Where's the meat you down to the bull ring? All ring. Not easy. Not easy. Is what we're getting here. That's not hard though. Okay. Yes, the hammock garden. So they're made out of nets and you're relaxing. If you have better ideas. The clippers the harbor. If we get enough good ones will will read them on the next drop. All right. So if you have potential outdoor viewing parks, you know, you got a name them for other teams. Staples disables for the Mavericks. All right. See at the stables the front rows, can you please shoot that? What needs to be shot. I don't know how those are the rules. Sorry. Country house. Oh, no, no, no, no. Luckily we. I do believe country has won the Kentucky Derby. That's why that's a reference for those that are into the equestrian arts. Final one here. This is a great one. Hey starters, my uncle Blair masters. I lost. My uncle Blair masters is the keyboardist for Garth Brooks. And I will be meeting give later this month at a concert in Eugene, what is amazing word. I know what is one thing. You like me to tell the legendary Garth Brooks. Thanks, a let you know his answer. This is from Tyler his uncle is being Blair masters. Wonderful. Let's go have some fun, fiscal music, JD is showing us a photo believed to be or who he believed to be playing you could player you look like Jaffa glasses a little bit. Are you? That's a great conspiracy. Forget, PU gate genius player masters. Interesting. That's JD is always saying blaring on the radio. Radio. Radio radio is going to be good. Blair. That's. What would you like to would you like? To tell. We're like we should take it something. Hey Tyler ask your uncle, Blair. Ask your uncle player masters. What the differences between slick stuff Rosskop, and cool stuff. And they see what Garth has you need stuff of ranking Tyler doesn't need to ask Blair masters. His uncle us going to meet Garth Brooks. Gonna get that backstage access because his uncle flare masters Blair, masters. These me, sir. You can't come in here. This is backstage, a series of strict. It. My uncle's Boyer masters. Right. This here. Here. Tyler. We're not making fun of, you know, we legit, I just great name to save a great looking guy to Blair Bill. I wanna showed on studio, g. Okay. Do you know studio? No. That's his Facebook live streams. That's what's called. Yes. From studio g live from studio, g all right? Answer. Do you want to start you want to start a shout out? Yes. Okay. And like and I mean, if he says. Like I if you could get him to say, like check out the starters. They post cool stuff. Neat stuff slips. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Title about the conversation begin. Yes. Tyler if you could get us like a little little hit like that little from Garth. Maybe put Blair in the mix, too. Oh. Blair and Garth unbelievable. How about this the starters? It's just it's just sex. Sex. Great. We're not being greedy. We're not saying shut us out on stage from Eugene, no, no, no just but step into studio. Gee, maybe Trish is there. Hey, this is Garth. And you're watching what we want. Let's really, really write this down. Okay. LSU. Is it Ross stuff? I don't know for some reason. It's not showing up in my in my stuff. The raw stuff. Yeah. That's okay. Tyler get whatever you can get, get Garcia and something about the starters in his classic Garth form. And then maybe and then maybe like look over pan over a little Blair masters. The man imagine Blair, masters plan, the starters theme song. It's very keyboard driven. Yeah. On a Hammond organ. Guys rate. Great tweets grade emails, keep them coming hashtag the starters. We're going to have a I guess our next drop. Are we doing to drop on Monday or Tuesday Tuesday because gonna say the game after game? Okay. Just a thousand miles an hour. Let's step into the complaint that. Can't we resolve this conflict without anger? What do you got? You want to just a few quick, quickies or what's the alternative? Few fixes. Or one of the three. I will. Drink your three. Oh my vote might be for the expanding. Now hearing at three. Clinton, number one people that ask Siri to do things on their phone that they could easily do. Like these are the people that press the handicapped button. So the doors flip open automatically, but this is even worse. There was a waiter at a restaurant I was at last week was with a friend. What are you gonna drink wine? I was gonna drink wine, too. Should we get a bottle? I guess so it's the weekend. Waiter comes over so. Well how we're looking. You know, it's like a big wine, lists of, like it's a book, and the writing small, it was dark restaurant. So we're like we're looking for a red. We got some fish come in. We got some meat come, and so you know what? Would you recommend? And. That we got vision. Meek. As you know, from the ordering portion of the proceedings we have some fish coming some need. And so she's looking at the menu, and she's like, well, I think you might want to look at this one just pointing at it. And so I'm kind of creating my neck to look at it as she goes Serey activate my flashlight nothing Siri activate flashlight. Sorry, this isn't still usually Siri active. I'm like it's right there on your home screen. It's literally, the button is right there. Nothing in her hands her phone in her left hand. So her thumb was right near the button. Next sunglasses. We don't talk about this enough. But when the sun is shining, is when you need them the most. But very true, when the sun is shining, and you wear sunglasses, then you sweat more and then the sweat gets in your eyes and it hurts. Interesting turn. You gotta get them ventilated sunglasses. Man. A lot of gaps on the side. I don't really get what you're what are you complaining sunglasses the design of them, too tight now just that, that you want, you need the most is when they hurt you the most. Not saying, I have anything to fix this. And finally summer Fridays. I don't know who were kidding with these go on. What do you mean? Explain what if someone is to someone that maybe doesn't know it's during the summer months, you get to leave at two pm Friday. Right. The, the grand poobah of your company will say, hey, summer Fridays. If we're admitting that people can leave at two pm on a Friday for ten weeks or whatever it is. Why can't they leave at two pm on a Friday, every Friday? Are we getting so much more work done in the winter months from two pm to five pm that we can give people off in the summer? If people can take off at two. In the summer, they should be allowed to do it the whole year. Oh, I agree. Thank you. Yeah. But the idea is like you're not gonna do anything, you're not gonna do anything met with those three hours. Yeah. In my soul. Crushing. No. You might go have everage on a patio and really beverage indoors in the winter. You're probably right. It's weird collection of complaints operations men. They're all Bs. Fourth complaint, thrown in there like it JD. Let's fire the gun. This week's pun gun comes from Martin Chan who lives in Toronto. He mailed in with the raptors in the final, and with most of us living, well we all lived in Toronto. Let's do some Toronto neighbourhoods in areas. Like Doug Christie pit so good. Danforth's. Nice Lou York. Villain. Less less. David Lee Ville. Yeah. Derek rosedale. Little David Italy. Liz, canvas town little portrait, gal Mekel. Junction yard, Doug. Jimmy king street. Church and Wesley Matthews. Kensington market yourself. Downtown, Freddie Brown. Yenisei attention. District. Still, Larry Bird district. Disallow or even. Willow. Dell collies Stein. So Rex Chapman deal, Marcus liberty village. Tony parkdale. Man feels good to talk about trying to Abraham. That's right. Yeah. Real good. What was your favorite Toronto? Neighbourhood judy. Well, I lived on the Danforth I grew up in Leslie Bill. That's a you know, I'm an east end guy. Yeah. His knees. Jane buffet. Today would get a beaches one in there. No. Keach is Kevin beaches sitting. Could they do? It doesn't really work the beach, Mitch yamba. Okay. No, no leelee. That's nice. No leelee. But we do have tweeted the week. When? I'm not doing shadows. Sarli didn't have an EMMY sorry. Prebble scribble, sorry, crew sorry, young type dash sorry. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, you got your name said and shut it to the captain and his wife. This tweet is from at neat Dunkin MBA. He tweeted one thing I forgot to mention from last night. Leila's and team pool just started sobbing dudes in during live action, not even waiting for a stoppage. The we one tweet. Dunkin captain of team Dunkin in the finals versus team pool. That was Liles team that came in on top. We showed you at game winner from Liles in the corner, calls game, call series sort of waves goodbye, but not really points. His finger up in the air very sweaty. Everybody's hugging. Big win the MVP Daniela recalled it, but then, but then needs can comes out with this tweet that shocked my world, the next day, the next day TASS. He was sitting on it. He was letting Li team pool enjoy their moment. But he points out that team leader team pool that that final game. They're just seven guys on the fly like they're playing hockey. I mean I don't know. That's like a protest to me, honestly need Dunkin. You're lucky they were doing it. It was messing with their chemistry. That's when team pool blue. They're huge. There were up, I believe twenty three two nine. Happening team Dunkin have their chemistry came back together. But then once people put their standard starting five out there, Nate Duncan couldn't handle guarding Lee up. Good game winning title winning jump shot. Maybe you should have sub Nate Nate Duncan on team petty because just doing that, that next day is you'd think by the next day, it would have cooled, and he would have been like, oh, I guess we lost, but no only anger anger to volume because he was getting lit up for the defense, and he had a, you know, clips, I saw it was blocking a lot of guys. It's a big guy played well, he was tired. He was very guest. I watched the first game with Dunga and he was already crunched over grabbing his knees grabbing the shorts it was die or it is big guy now used to not used to this up and down play. Le-le-le-let's even said on the final play where he hit the game winner that he was gonna take a three but that NAACP Dunkin's Lang, it bothered eight and think twice it bothered to prevent turned it over just true. They played find defense. Apart, she'll who's who came up with the Baltimore. Yeah. He came up with the ball. Got it back to Lee in the corner. He knocked down the big shot. But yeah, I don't know. I know. But, like if there's something on the flight, I shouldn't have been shouldn't have been happening that he can't deny Chris. Hey and set the whole thing up. So I guess he just subs him, whatever Adam silver, I, imagine he can just come in and play, right? For any team. He wants to your head anytime a heck of a production. Yeah. Once I mean. League five or six cameras you know had post game interviews fun watch. I guess you could probably go back and watch it. It's still there. Yeah. You can watch the whole thing where we getting together to watch it. Man. Were you worried where you worried mad that we're gonna have to like talk about it on the show, and then get into it on the drop? You know it's not welcomed at basically the equivalent of us talking about our I disagree. They run why. Because people know that people in this game, there's footage of this, that, that helps we all we, we take footage of our rods and Lee hit the game winner of the entire tournament. So there's a worthy story we sent like the third or fourth best started to go play anyone MVP. You think you think a team of the four start was. We would've crushed. It was five on five. Downs who? You hell you doesn't. It doesn't matter. Now. J D. J D four. We'll play four and five hands up in the air. Getting away Nate Don. Lee, try to take the charge. Still one of the funnier things loved it flopping. And we didn't kill the on the show because he played great. The Boardman gets paid. Game winner board. Bam board man. Yeah, that's Lee, but he missed a free throw. We didn't get to that crazy on Wednesdays. Television show som- blast at a tweet last night after Steph curry, the free throw. Even the legend. Lonely, the greatest shooters lonely place at a media basketball tournament at that free. Throw life congrats to leelee, of course and team pool for getting it done. Four no took care of business. All right. Let's end this bad boy with some rapid fire. On Monday quite Leonard filed a lawsuit against Nike over a personal logo that quite says night, fraudulently copyrighted, the nine page lawsuit says Leonard traced his notably large hand and inside the hand drew stylized versions of his initials, kale, and the number the one for much of his career to guys, I want you to paint a picture for us. What would your personal brand logo? Looked like trae. I wanna Miami Heat style logo for Seib all season but the ball not a basketball. It's me doing a C ball. And a huge wave coming out Ling like the fire. Maybe it could go from my hair into the wave. Somebody out there could make this. That's very, very nice JD. I make the magic happen on basketball show. So my logo is basically the jump man, but a wizard doing it. Okay. Cloak and you know stars flying out of everything. Okay. These are both great Mattio. What do you got? I got a cat eating a plate of pasta in a circle with a line through it. I don't I'm allergic to cats and I don't eat carbs. This guy hates Guardmen number one enemy. What did you have coming for dinner, you meet coming? There's. Graphic designers out there though that listen to the show, get on to work. Get this get to work. You're right. Our next question is from Martin in beautiful Victoria, British Columbia. Hey guys writes Martin with the rafters in the NBA finals. They're likely lock for a Christmas day game next season. Right hadn't really thought about that since two thousand one was the last time the raptors played on December twenty fifth what something you haven't done in almost twenty years, but you would like to bring back trae. I'd love to get my hair highlighted again frost and tips. I remember back in he through high school and college just sitting there, my mom would pull my hair through like that, highlight cat thing with a little hook throw. The bleach on for a couple of hours. Then come out looking like Justin Timberlake by didn't have all these grades. I might go for it. Yeah, I had the tips as well frost tests are huge. It's time to come back. JD the tips ahead, the full, the full each lawn that turned into guys yet. Skiing. I've been skiing since nineteen ninety eight. Wow. Good one. I'm around that same time. Ski ski trip we had no not. Really? But I enjoyed it. Blank blank. Yeah. Yes. Traditional winter Fridays. Clinton. What do you got? Live up. Oh, twenty years. I'd like to bring back, I'd like to bring back drinking without a hangover. Yeah. You were invincible and you're young. Let me go three or four days straight. Yeah, I could eat a chocolate bar and not feel sick for three days later. You can eat a chocolate bar. Not have a Paul Pierce, wheelchair game, people used to think my skin was like this because a to many bars. Final one. Jaylen Brown interior Rosiere, we're on the bachelorette this week hosting Hannah around and contestant jed Wyatt. At the Celtics practice facility to players shot around with potential lovebirds before chatting, and offering up some serious relationship advice. Jalen told Hanna to find someone who makes you laugh and somebody who's going to accept you for your flaws and your beauty. Very sweet kind words there from Jaylen Brown guys. What's the best love advice, you've ever received trae? If you eat it, she will beat it. Literally eliza. What we do it. And I've I was thinking about this, and I've never received any love advice over in my life. But I did a little research, and I found something that is sort of rings, true from Jerry Seinfeld. And he says being a good husband is like being a stand up comedian you need a ten years before you can call yourself a beginner, which is pretty true. Not true. So what point are you at now? Oh my God. I'm like. Oh my God, I'm like twenty years in this plan living with for twenty year. Basically Seinfeld at this point an expert comedian. Clue are these people? All right. Mattia. What's the best love advice, you've ever received? He like a pitcher, donate them. Just throw. How's that working out? Better good. I I'm throwing I'm really throwing. A high Heaton Mitchell in the backyard. I used to throw like Meacham at all up in my head thinking about every movement and those mechanics. So that when I actually released the ball, I was hit. Yeah. Unsure of myself now. I'm just like Nolan. Ryan is flinging. It flinging. It let it rip center of the plate Jim the heater Nettie. All right. Oh, yeah. It was under would. Well, they both. They. They didn't know I don't remember beach. Rhode was worse. Yeah. We also know kind of put them in a bad spot. It was like a ten foot toss. Turn into really fire. Throw the ball. You want to throw the ball in this. What's up, what she feeding grown men? Let's go out in the ten meter backyard rocking around, that's rapid fire. That's another classic addition of the drop headlock it ain't no semi or semi classic edition. That's, that's a full on classic. If you subscribe to the show on apple podcast, Google that five star rating leaves the review do what you gotta do. Join us tonight. It is Thursday here, June sixth. Join us tonight on MBA TV at seven thirty pm eastern, a look nice on TV can be a little later for you. Are we talking to leelee from Oakland? Oh, you know, doing a whole whole other block already completed challenge. Ooh. No. You had to take take a selfie with a celebrity out there or at least attempt to find guy. Fieri fist-bump, take a photo. I don't remember broadcast last night. He. I didn't see that up. Maybe on JD from twenty years ago, who was on the broadcast, though, beyond say jaycee. I mean, you'd be wanting one up with Al or Jay's either one. Yeah. So see Lee in his game three challenge. We'll talk to him tonight, Thursday night against seven thirty pm. Just heavier I have a great time. Turn up love, you got sorry. I'm going to stop bell stop now. I'm just imagining Lee approaching beyond say, for a selfie sees me say. Say a quick picture. All right. In the Beyhive, Jim bay hive. Just play it. Yeah. Cut this out. Okay. You heard at first one more thing, though. Now you heard it here. I have a great time turn up love you guys, Anthony Keita's also in attendance last night. You heard it here. I have a great time turn up. Love you guys awesome. Thanks for joining us, folks. 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2019 NBA Finals Game 1

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25:58 min | 2 years ago

2019 NBA Finals Game 1

"So those who predicted a warriors walkover not looking too great after game one in which Toronto really thoroughly outplayed. The warriors was your biggest takeaway from the way this played out Toronto's absolutely excellent defense. I think was was the most important part of the story here. They did an excellent job of doing two different things that sometimes can be done in concert and not necessarily. They were contesting making a lot of warriors shots more difficult. But they also were extremely active in passing lanes, narrowing windows down, and forcing a lot of turnovers. So the warriors ended up shooting thirty four of seventy eight from the field and turning the ball over sixteen times while only six of those reliable. It's still neutralized, a lot of the warriors did offensively and that helped create some of the transition opportunities which Toronto did a wonderful job of maximize. Yeah. I thought the biggest difference to me was Golden State's finishing at the rim. And yeah. You might say, oh, you know they had like a one fifteen offense. Rating in Toronto at one twenty five is more of a defensive lost. We'll get to that. But I thought Golden State was actually pretty lucky to put up the numbers that they did curry fourteen free throw attempts. A lot of those, I'm kinda bullshit, foul drawing maneuvers dream on grotto non shooting fouls as well short about, how that could be different. The warriors were fifteen of twenty six in the restricted area twenty-six attempt to know you could you could be fine with that depending on the greater of raw contacts and they got to the line, and that got padded late low to take away threes. Oh, yeah, it got padded late. And then one of six and the in photo range, and then six of fifteen from mid-range and the six fifteen forty percent is fine. But it's also reminder that the warriors misery and shooting is significantly more limited without Chem Durant on the floor. This is not the same team. Where were a lot of the mid Rangers. They take our by the best guys at that in the entire yet. Yeah. And Klay Thompson really did not get going much at all. You know, there's not really anyone that Klay Thompson can go to, to post up against the Mark Jackson memorial post up might be retired. In the Sierra, maybe eventually. But yeah, it's it's going to be limited. But we should also talk about Calcio. I mean both ends of the floor. Yeah. Thirty two points, fourteen of seventeen five assists. I thought was huge as well when they collapsed on him and really in that started the third quarter when Golden State can ahead of cooking authencity. He was scoring over dream on green aided by dream on file trouble. And he also really was Ben tastic on the best rate Toronto outscoring Golden State, twenty four to seventeen fast-break points. Ron's the number one transition team in terms of points per possession in the NBA this year they did not relent at all worrying about getting into a running game with Golden State, and I mean there's just pry four or five place where PASCAL Seok of just sprinted as hard as he could down the forgot ahead guys, an either got filed or set up a nice, look the four Toronto. And I thought defensively he was awesome to that played into another thing. I wanted to talk about which a prediction that we made before the series was Golden State wasn't gonna finish this crazy. Senate at the rim. It was going to be more difficult. Draymond green was two of nine in this game. He coming in. He was June seventy percent at the room. So as looney and we'll looney ended up four or five it was just they made him. Make one more pass. There is one more rotation. Kyle lowering would come over and force another passed to a non shooter on the perimeter. Kevon looney did not get any of those Draymond green four on three Elliott dunks that were so prevalent against Houston and Portland, the Draymond green going downhill of four and three. I don't think they got a single bucket out of that actually. And part of that is 'cause Toronto has capable players who can switch that action, which, you know, Portland in particular did not. But it was really an impressive defensive performance from trout. I think no, yeah. They filed a little bit more than was optimal, but the warriors under fifty percent from two. There were thirty five percent from two in the first half. And then we look at misled sue that can lead to transition opportunities the turnovers in this day we set up before the series, the best. Offense that Golden State has faced in this era. I thought they lived up that even with the number is not being that great in game one. Yeah. I think the most telling stat from all of game one is so clean. The glass does a version of half court offense. That is basically just I shot half court offense. Yeah. And the warriors were at one point in the first half they had like a fifty four offense of rating in those circumstances. They ended up at an eighty four and eighty four offense rating. That's twenty first percentile, according to that stat Toronto did an absolutely excellent job. And then they did get some points on put backs. They actually they actually had a one eighty eight eighty eight offensive rating on put backs which is pretty pretty impressive. But that first shot defense Kevin Durant, getting back, we'll help it will hurt it. So we'll help the words offense hurt the Toronto defense. But a lot of the fundamentals of that having so many intelligent helped vendors having so much length those things are going to be there for the rest of the series. It's just whether Toronto has enough everywhere else to keep going. And I mean. This was pretty much perfect concept like their defense is going to be awesome in this. Yeah. And we'll see if Katie comes back, maybe the warriors can find some other ways to attack. But you know Steph curry to me played well enough to win thirty four points. And he did it on twenty five shooting possessions, but five assists in a couple of those came late. It's amazing head. It was interesting that when they tried to go pick and roll in Kosovo Gonzales, actually forced three turnovers on those plays with his quick, hands Cray was not able to get the path out of there quickly enough. That's part of why those four on threes. Just never really developed to begin with not to mention being that effective will encourage preferred pass in no circumstances that the pass over the top like he can do that hierarchy, Draymond green. And we saw that a ton in the Portland series, and Marcus Ol- a is longer than the guys who were on that in the last couple of series and B is so incredibly intelligent, and has great hands to know where he thinks the ball's going to go. And so, sometimes it was getting a handed deflecting at other times, it was Currie having to turn down that pass or think about it in a different way. And so I do think that the warriors. Are going to have to move a player you talked on the NBA cast about shorting the pick and roll. I think that's one potential solution here change the angles a little bit because if they don't change the angles, those passes store going to be there just being of changing the angles Toronto, you know. Yeah, the fast break was awesome, thirty nine percent from three. But we've seen them have those sorts against thirteen out at thirty three, they took a lot of threes early the and then not quite as many late. But they had this off, awesome, performance without getting much from Lowry or Leonard, Leonard ended up getting to the foul line quite a bit and hit half of his threes. So his his any ad five assists. Ultimately started yet a solid night but not a dominating one. Well, I think the one of the important takeaways from coil Leonard's night was that the warriors, especially in the first quarter sold out, really aggressively to make sure that he didn't get going, and that created open. What's other guys Danny green missed a couple of threes early? But then he started making a Mark soulmate a couple of early threes, and that's the trade off. I mean I've talked many times before about how basketball is about decisions and with. The warriors were deciding early in the game was we wanna stop coli, and we're going to concede other things in order to make life harder on him. And generally speaking Toronto did a pretty good job of capitalizing on those opportunities. Yeah. I thought that was the case green rediscovering his three was huge. Fred Benfleet beat some hate driving to the rim. Which you didn't expect a bad thought this was dreaming greens. Worst defensive game. Maybe all playoffs just was not effective defending the rim. Here's your here's a Fred vindicates that. Yeah, one of four on threes. Four four onto. Yeah. And then he also got follow the on another one going at dre I mean made some very acrobatic finishes but I like the idea of we're going to attack. Draymond green and go right adamant PASCAL Siaka, especially in that there wasn't scared. The other thing that I thought Toronto did was when double teams occurred, they threw off the understanding of the warriors defense trying to zone up behind the play with a lot of nice baseline cut, Siachen had one that he threw back to Dhaka when the off of a pick and roll, Danny green was doing The Danny green cut, which. Goes back to the twenty thirteen NBA finals where he was cutting along the baseline to the strong side. I think he got it three on that as well. There are a couple of plays where the Golden State was really flow exp- by that ended up having to move out of help position to take care of the, the raptors passing was really actually a soul was good. In short roll situations. He's another guy twenty points for him. And he did it on only thirteen shooting possessions, he had the touch from three and I think the most important part for Marcus, although was that we wondered if he was going to be able to stay on the Ford offensive and actually he was able to do that. And now the words may have some more stuff ready for him. I thought they got better offensively as the game went on, but it was really in the second half, they couldn't stop Toronto, a which was the bigger problem of those interesting that Patrick McCaw, play more minutes than norm Powell. That was shocking, especially considering how big norm Powell was in the Eastern Conference finals, Patrick McCaw. Yes. Playing against his former team first game. He's played against them ever, and he did hit that. One, big three which I think, pushed the margin from four to seven late in the third quarter, incidentally after I'll fonds McKinney. The other cast off had made a three but yeah, I thought norm Powell he makes sense in elements of the series. And if the raptors are going to need a NATO guy, I would say, norm Powell makes more sense, but the other bench bench contributor, that I thought was was interesting more significant in the first half and second half was DeMarcus cousins cousins had not played since his quad injury. And I thought physically he looked a little bit better than I expected. He was moving around the floor. And in that first half he was providing value offensively by drawing attention mismatches, and like there was a play that Livingston cut for a dunk off of the attention that he was getting and defensively. He wasn't playing against the best. The best Lowery wasn't on the floor at all during those minutes. And kunai was for part of it. But he looked better. And also he gives the warriors another offensive player that Toronto has to respect and something that's under did so well in this game was taking advantage of the fact that the warriors play a lot of really limited offensive player. Yeah. Igwe dolla who I mean, the his, his hamstring injury is caused for major cerebral and say, but he was over four from three hundred and good looks now has not made it three pointer since that crazy five of nine performance in game six against Houston. Another another one of those probability defying feats against Houston that surely will keep them up a all summer but yeah, he hasn't hit it three since then Quinn cook I thought gave him some moments in this first step. But then the second Senate it didn't look as good for that warriors second group. But especially with Igwe dolla out. I mean, it's tough like were the warriors. Now you'd be a position. Neil Jordan, Bella. I thought was good for them. Gave him some pretty good minutes. They're, they're gonna be a position where some of their best players are actually centers. We used to talk about that being the weakness of their they might actually end up going to Jordan. Bella power for for limited minutes if they have to see, I mean that's and maybe they're just trying to get more size out there defensively, because, you know, if he Dala can't go, we'll talk more about what with that is in a second. But I think if we want to get into some. Well, now there's something there's actually something else want to talk about because I think a clarifying point for the series. And this is something I could have pre written before the series, even started is that Shaun Livingston is going to have a lot of trouble offensively in this series because Toronto plays so many long guys. They get back in transition. And so he's going to have tough looks he did finish two for six from the field and got to the free throw line. So we ended up with six points, but the ones that he got were on broken place. Those weren't the shots that he wants take. It's like oh, you cut in. There's a dunk open there. Rather than that pull up jumper, which has been such a big part of his arsenal. And defensively he had some nice moments but those bench players McKinney ended up with some minutes on, on quiet letter that was actually coil under its best offense at this game. Drip, co made a couple of corner threes like the non center's that the warriors are going to rely on their bench unit aren't nearly as good as a lot of the calendar counterparts for Toronto. Yeah. And I mean the guys who can shoot just have a lot of defensive limitation. Yep. On the second group. So, yeah, let's definitely a concern and McKinney. We saw him go up against Hawaii at the end of that third quarter. Kawhi is just too big and strong for him. They and dream on being involved. Trouble definitely was an issue for Golden State in that third quarter. And maybe he could get some time on guava. They really need him as their best help defender, and is Siaka is just going to be getting loose like this. You're not really the thing about CRM is, you're not really gonna help on him. Right. Unless he's guarded by curry because their whole defenses geared to stop coli. And so on these drives by Siachen. There really was not a ton of help frightfully assume that Draymond green is going to be able to stop Siachen. They just they couldn't do that. And Siachen has had trouble being guarded by centers in the past, and they started with Draymond on Markelle salty didn't really stick with that. Maybe that's something they need to look at more and have the center on Siaka. But I think he can attack looney pretty well, two or bell. And then cousins may be, you know, not quite ready for they mentioned, so they don't really have that big center, the way you a brook Lopez, or joy. Well, and bead caused problems for Siaka in previous games in Siachen is really a nice finisher, and he seemed to have Draymond timed up pretty well as far as not getting the shop lot yet. And you, you brought up the, the raptors were able to be as effective offensively. They were despite climate or not having impactful game also. I mean Kyle Lowry. He they didn't need him to do a lot. He had he had some nice assist. I mean he kept the ball moving. And the raptors as a team did a great job, the plate thirty six minutes. It was so good. Exactly. So raptors twenty five assists on thirty nine may baskets, the Lowry two of nine from the field did have those nine assists. Three turnovers ITO he, he was a positive out there, but he wasn't as, as, as strong of one is I would've expected for the raptors to play as well offensively they did. And that's important to that they were able to get those contributions and more importantly than make the shots is generally good. Look which I really think Toronto did. So let's talk about some potential adjustments here starting with the possibility that undergrad all may not be available for the next game. I think that's a major concern when they showed the replay of the hamstring and they showed him limping to the bench, there, I had a log. It's when I went back and watch the possession after that he looked like he could move. Okay. But I think real explosive movements jumping trying to stop trying to sprint that's where the hamstring comes in. So I don't know that I can take a lot away from the fact that he was able to kind of slide his feet in in defensive possession. You, it's not really a hamstring type of issue. You know, it's not gonna be as bad, as like Chris Paul. But it could be something to me that keeps them out a week, maybe even longer than that, especially with the regular season and the hamstring, it's very, very difficult to play much, like, of course, the calf that Kevin Durant. It is dealing with well, and that leads into a point, which is that I'm sure there will be people that if dollars limited or unavailable in game two will say, oh, that means you have to bring Kevin Durant back. You're playing the long game with Kevin great, you need him to be ready so that when he returns and for game two. Yeah. Going down to oh is, is rough in the raptors played. They were fantastic. In game one. But the risk of reinjuring is something that is extremely significant with these kinds of issues. And if Kevin Durant reinjured his calf, he's and then the series is not over, but pretty close. I mean and maybe I could see him being rushed back for everybody. I mean he's not ready for game two as far as we know he hasn't had any kind of scrimmaging any kind of on-court work at all. If dollars out I assume McKinney is going to get the start ill Livingston is another one of these guys mean he played eighteen minutes tonight. They can't play him more than that Ecuador. I mean he's he's even though he's starting. He's really limited to three minutes and he's still got hurt at the end. I think you know hamstring injury in the last minute of the game, that's the that's what happens, you know, when you're the kinda a little bit older and your fatigue. Maybe there's a thought that they could play cousins. More at that time. But it just how many senators can you put you're gonna play loony or bell at the four McKinney trying to guard. Kawhi. Are you gonna then just match up more conventionally? Maybe you put McKinney on Lowry. And you put Thomson on Kawhi Leonard. He's probably the best match up, but I don't think he's good as Dala was tonight and Thomson can get into trouble as I dealt with early in this game. Yeah. I mean just giving you one more place to attack obviously dollars fantastic. Help defender that's McKinney is not that either McKinney might give them a little bit more shooting the ball, at least but he's not the same kind of passer, not the same kind of screener and intelligent roller that Igwe doll is. I mean it's a massive loss to if it would dollar even MRs game two and they're down to oh at that point, even if Katy comes back for game three the raptors of gotta be favorites in the series of, you know, the warriors having to win. Four out of five. I mean they're going to have to play Jacob Evans more. Are they going to just have to play clay at the three in Quinn, cook and Currie together there? I mean, none of these options or any good writes, it's very clear, and it's also a reminder of kind of wide Daryl Maury has spent so much of his, you know, resources and everything going after these former thicken shoot because whether it's injuries or. Ineffectiveness when you don't have those players a lot of things in their system in the in the word system. Just a work as well. And the workers do not have pseudo options now even if you know, if if Durant was available, this would be a different situation. But I mean direct co I don't think particularly works well in those spots. Jacob Evans's is not an NBA finals player for me though, he did briefly actually get on the floor, hopefully not enough, where I have to write by the leading, but he was in front of the defensive sub. And as you said, you know, like the warriors best remaining players that have more minutes to give play the five and arguably the one. Yeah. And that's a big problem because they don't need more at those two spots. And maybe the thought is all right. We're gonna play cousins more. And we're just gonna try out score these guys because cousins actually held up, okay? Defensively got his hands on a couple of plays in pick and roll those Li one play where they beat him to the basket was been bleed who got past him in pick and rolls. I thought he did okay? But just again he is. No playoff experie-. Really he doesn't have experience playing with this group. He may get some pretty good numbers. But the synergies that this warriors team is built on if that's going to be reduced when you play someone like him instead of loonies, I'm not sure that, that's a panacea for them at all. I still would like to see more screening with gazelles man thought they did really well when they did that looney when they ran that head tap action. When they get into the post and have the center screen curried the ball. They got a couple of dunks looney with him rolling to the rim off of that. So similar type of actions there. I mean, it's so funny to think of like, oh, maybe Jordan, Bella should play more. But because they did pretty well when he was out there, but, you know, how many minutes can you play a for all these centers, you're really going to be limited by maybe may? Maybe the other option. Is you're gonna play loony at the four. Tremont at the three and just we're gonna we're gonna go go six your style, while we're just gonna go all defense. I mean if dollars out I mean they are just so screwed for what a game too, that they desperately desperately need to win. Well, and something else, they think the warriors can do more of within their system is taking advantage of the expectations that the raptors have they didn't really nice job on some fake D H. And you can't overuse that mean there are certain circumstances where, you know, you have diminishing returns there, but getting into those spots, where maybe typically run something for career clay, and then you do a back cut. Instead, those type of looks are gonna be there because it looks like the raptors have a really good handle on what the warriors wanna run. So then you do some counterpunch Kerr saying on Igwe, I think he's okay. We'll have an update tomorrow. I'm a little more sceptical. They're maybe, maybe it will be able to play if he can I, maybe as minutes are going to be limited for Toronto. You're not gonna get the same performance out of Siaka. I think Golden State can just play better on. A lot of what he did was just scoring on Draymond green, where they, you got to trust gray. Draymond green there. And getting back in transition Golden State's transition defense. Another thing that they haven't really been tested on, at all in the last two runs Portland and Houston, great offenses. But not transition teams Toronto really likes to run it down your throat when they can't see Oxfam is the big catalyst. Let's certainly Golden State can clean that up. They Danny green hit a huge three when they just didn't even know who they're guarding Shaun Livingston. Thankfully, despite his reputation as a widely vet seems so make a lot more of a stake in, in terms of following or miss communications of. Yeah. Something else. I be interested in seeing and where your shifted this a little bit. The second half is in the early going. They were so focused on making sure Colli Leonard did not get going in this game that they were conceding. Those open looks for Danny green Markle Kurai is a brutally efficient player and especially if all is limited run available. They don't have a lot of guys to go after him. But if that's just what Toronto's. If that's what's around was offense is, especially if they can send more help from around the basket as opposed to, like, giving up open quarter, threes than maybe you're, you're, you're conceding Warta Clive. Maybe you're giving up harder. You're conceding harder shots. Everybody else who can't create them nearly as well as so it's at least worth considering yet. See outcome hit like some impossible floaters as wall, a couple of jumpers two three three both were above the break. So I don't expect Toronto to put up over a one twenty offense of rating next game again, but, but they might not need you to win. Considering how will they play defensively overall though the where your stuff I'll get a little bit by free? Throws late scoring rutta. I if I had to guess, I would guess that Golden State is gonna put up a worse off of reading the next game. Absolutely well, and yeah, you know, I think you might have a point maybe they need to not worry as much about quiet least make him prove that he can get going and killed them. But of course, if he's being guarded by avant McKinney, you don't need to prove that he's going to kill funds. He's, he's already proven that needed need to anyway. But yeah, that's a good point. And then making more of a focus and also the warriors like they grabbed a bunch of offense rebounds. They ended up with nine in the game. But it seemed to me like a lot of those were not making a concerted effort on the offensive us, it was more the ball bouncing to a player at the right place, the right time. And so there are two different components. That one is those might knock bouts of the same guys that same point moving forward. The second part is if those become defensive rebounds, the workers need to be better getting back, and I don't think that they have such great, offensive, rebounding, personnel that they need to get caught more than one guy near the basket on like this three, like there was at one point with Steph curry brick to three. Does it in green with Danny green got the three pointer because there were two warriors way back on the play? But neither one of them was close to the offense. That's all I got. You know there's not a ton here. I think there's one of the thing that I want to go big picture here. You and I both picked Golden State to win this series. And I think both of us expected the raptors to win game one I definitely and part of that is personnel. Kevin durant. We knew he was going to be unavailable. We had we didn't know for sure on DeMarcus cousins, but what Toronto did beyond. Actually winning the game, which is extremely important. Is they, they made a lot of the things that I thought could be true. And they said, at least for this game but probably moving forward. They are they defended really well, they made the warriors work harder for the shots. They got and get were shots. Those things are going to continue if Toronto cleans up some of it like the fouls that led to Steph curry to the free throw line, fourteen times and a few of the kind of broken play. Mishaps Muzy losing curry on an offensive rebound, those sorts of things and considering how well they're doing, I think those can be improved. Then there's a lot a lot of room even for Toronto to grow as great as they were in this game so that bodes incredibly well for them the rest of the series. The question is going to be can the warriors improve their personnel and improve their play enough to get up towards Rana wasn't game one. Yeah. And while we focus under house deepens, clearly, the low hanging fruit is for Golden State on the defensive end. Yes. And I'm not sure that there are major adjustments. They're not following early, and that's not really in the Justice, but I think a lot of is just individual player. Being better being tighter better communication better transition defense. It's not like oh man. What are we going to do about Pascall Siachen, who we're gonna put on him? I don't think that like overreacting to what he did in this game in the half court is what you do those got to be better in food court situations, and the got to communicate better and have fewer mistakes, and pray to God that Underwood would all his healthy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that that's even if Katy comes back you have to take him a little bit to get up to speed down to zero that is a major major concern it, and it certainly looked in this game lie. And we've seen Golden State looked like this before. Right. I mean for most game six against Houston. You're like how the hell are they in this game? They've no business winning this. And then they came back at the end so to have this idea of creeping determinist, which so often you do that in favor of the warriors, like, oh, they're always gonna win. And you forget how hard it was for them going through. It, it certainly never felt like Golden State was going to win in this game. Even when it got down to four points, a couple of times the raptors were still the better team. And the raptors played better starters versus starters. So it wasn't this idea of all, once the warriors bring in the Hamptons, five or whatever that they're going to get back into it. No. Toronto outplayed them in those minute. Yeah. And maybe we'll see if it's especially if you go through the first half a game to and Toronto's ahead, maybe you just have to play cousins more just because even noting that maybe he. He has a lower median outcome than someone like looney that maybe you just need a big performance from him. And that's the only way you're going to get it done. Yeah. David strategies for the Golden State words, would definitely be different, but it could be warranted. Yeah. I mean especially if Dala is out any also say here. Well, if you hopefully, many of you and thank you for those who did watch the NBA cast watch the with us. It was a lot of fun for this game won the first game, one of the NBA finals, we've been able to do, and we will be back, of course for game two which will be Sunday evening. Pretty much evening wherever you are if you're North America because of how late these finals game start and we'll be back doing live commentary, and then we will have a dumped on after that game. Yeah. And please tell your friends about this pod, and the NBA cast and everything else, whether it's a by Twitter or during actual in person interactions. Whatever it is. We always appreciate the recommendations we'll taught y'all on Sunday till the.

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