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How the arts, society and technology intersect

ResearchPod

11:38 min | 3 months ago

How the arts, society and technology intersect

"Hello and welcome to research. Thank you for listening and joining us today. What if that's the question behind the synthesis center. A unique institutional experiment at arizona. State university in the united states created by professor shasha way the transdisciplinary atelier or workshop brings like minds together to explore the interface between media arts the environment engineering and technology with the potential for global social impact. The results generate significant insights into how we interact with technology off in january nineteen eighty-four during the televised american super bowl apple at a one minute advertisement to promote a product introduced personal computing to the world launching. Apple's first macintosh computer and made by the film director. Ridley scott the advertisement took its theme. From george orwell's dystopia novel nineteen eighty-four the message unlike these stagnated world of big brother. Apple's innovative technology heralded freedom not control and message. That still holds true for professor. Shasha way he wants us to rediscover pre newtonian ways of thinking when art and science were not regarded as separate disciplines but came together in the realization of imaginative potential. The creativity that aristotle meant by poesies combined with the practice of skilled execution professors shah is a theoretical mathematician who studied at harvard and stanford in the united states and also pioneered technologies that showed what lay beyond the world wide web building on his scientific trading. He his bended a lifetime of media. Arts technology philosophy with social impact in true renaissance man style. He is happy working with general relativity as with experimental theater. He's currently professor of arts media and engineering at arizona state university where he also directs. The synthesis center professors. Shaw describes these synthesis center as an tele for creative research combining aspects of art studio and science lab. The italia is a home for adventurous people to invent new ways of thinking and imagining about the internet of things. The network of physical objects that makes use of sensors software and other technologies to connect and exchange data with other devices and systems over. The internet is an increasingly familiar concept however professors shah believes it is time to also think about the ecology of things in the face of so called wicked problems of the twenty first century seemingly insolvable issues such as climate change environmental pollution and global poverty. The synthesis center is west on. Stinking can take place in what professor sharp calls a fresh kind of practice. Blending process philosophy computer media and theater arts and critical studies of technology ecology and economy in this way the center seeks to produce news knowledge about how people technology and society articulate. Creatively and expressively in the twenty first century. The synthesis center for transversal art philosophy and technology builds on concepts. Professors shawn develop previously at top logical media about the concordia university in montreal canada. The lab applied the mathematical concepts of topology. How the properties of geometric objects are preserved under de nations such as stretching. Or twisting to computational media and the study of gesture researchers worked on various projects and installations for example a video art projects on the concept of fire which combined camera based motion tracking and gesture orientated programming software to help viewers interact with projections. Onscreen sudden movements by participants created the onscreen but pow publ illusion that they had caught at a mental fire. The synthesis center is an equally creative transdisciplinary space for the expiration of a generation of computer augmented responsive environments. The italian is modeled on the workshops of the rene sauce and also draws on contemporary concepts of experimental technology. Labs physical action theater media labs and design studios more than a physical space. The synthesis center is a group of people who come together and use technologies and techniques to work collectively and create meaning through projects of non anthropocentric design. As professor shari explains non anthropocentric design is about finding ways to design and build environments in which we would like to live in which we are not the most important beings in the world. Researchers from different ops humanities science and technology backgrounds work on projects and events which create enriched experience and cultural value. they go beyond aren't as creative experience to look at. How are methods can inform technological research for example lighting rhythm and improvisisation workshops have explored how theatrical great digital technology can be used to enliven every day public spaces. In addition animated materials have been produced such as textiles amid sounds when stroked and light sculptures. That have been created that animators people gesture and move around them. The synthesis center is also about transformation and changing the way people do things. Professors shar explains transdisciplinary. Research is more than many sitting an engineer and an artist and philosopher in a room it means transforming each disciplines own ways of doing things with care the synthesis centers output is based on a series of research clusters or themes movement and change for example. Looks at how a sense of change and rhythm permeates both individual lives and the collective lives of city dwellers in this way the center seeks to contribute to the global debate on urban design and the resilience of cities including the united nations goals for sustainable development. Another theme mathematic. Art and design is about the life of media such as sound light and movement but detaching these from theater music and dance to create new modes of expression for our dynamic age for example the heartbeat residency studies. How a dance internal rhythms articulate and respond to those of musical accompanist in this way researchers hope to provide insights into how people correlate actions non verbally in physical space beyond futures. The synthesis centers work known only glimpses. The future it can also help shape. It by imagining worlds are than what is at hand and prototyping alternative social forms such as the city or street or infrastructures. Such as communications and finance for example projects could be developed that look at the seemingly intractable wicked problems like urban pollution and what it would be like to live. In a city without cars. experiments will be impossible to conduct in real life but valuable insights could be gained by using art to prototype the issues involved by opening its doors and inviting people into cher a curated city environment. The center can create spaces for people to play out and act as if they were car-free far from a game. Saint enactment of different scenarios provides significant realistic insights into social behavior similarly rather than predicting the future the synthesis centers work in speculative design and speculative engineering of materials and systems invites people to think about and discuss want science and technology may bring about this want if approach enables researchers to look at the kinds of services that can be created using developing technologies for example gesture sound wearable devices and animated materials working at the intersection of media arts environment engineering and technology with a new exciting approach to collaboration and innovation. Professors shar refers to the synthesis center as an ethical issues experiment. His seminal book poesies and enchantment in top logical matter together with his many published papers and online talks outlined the theory philosophy and practice behind the center and have an additional role as critical and social studies of technology with the potential for global social impact. The synthesis center is a crucible of ideas of how humans aren't even non human natural forms interact with technology in sustainable and surprising ways. Professor says we studied the human experience of technology so that we can impact its design adoption and incorporation into the aspects of our daily lives. He adds we pursue our mission by developing new practices for imagining and creating worlds the do not burden but live experience. We designed technologies and techniques for animating environments that are richer but not more complicated by asking. How can we create worlds that we would want to live in the census. Census vision is a brave new world. Which has apple's nineteen eighty-four advertisement implied is about freedom rather than control. It is already building alliances with organizations around the world that share its vision and commitment to a fresh ecology of practices. Professor shari explains computer. Driven media now circulates and activate images sound and objects at densities greater than human limits of comprehension. We faced the limits of effectively managing the technologies that activate our everyday world. Our challenge is how to build an inhabited environments that leverage the power of emerging technologies for shelter sociality and play. That's all for this episode. Thanks for listening and stay subscribed to research bought for more of the latest science. See you again soon.

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TED's Idea Search: Cloe Shasha Brooks

TED Radio Hour

52:39 min | 6 months ago

TED's Idea Search: Cloe Shasha Brooks

"This message comes from. Npr sponsor nerdwallet with their podcast. Smart money with weekly updates on financial news and answers money questions. Smart money's unbiased can help level up your finances. subscribe to nerdwallet smart money. Wherever you listen to podcasts. This is the ted radio hour each week. Groundbreaking ted talks are. John knows dream. Big delivered at ted conferences to bring about the future. We want to see around the world to understand who we are from those talks. We bring you speakers and ideas. That will surprise. You just don't know what you're gonna find challenge you which we have the acts ourselves like why no worthy and even change you. I literally feel like i'm different. I do you feel that way. Ideas worth spreading from ted and npr. I'm a newsom roti and let's say you have a big idea that used thank would make a great ted talk. How do you get a chance to give a talk on the ted stage. If you're not a world renowned expert like say the founder of behavioral economics we really should think of happiness as a substitute for welby or a pioneer in primatology. we find capable of true compassion and altruism were of former vice president turned. Climate advocates are solving this crisis for any from anywhere with a big idea to give a talk and one way is through. Ted's idea search. it's an international. Call out where people can submit a video with their idea to head the i b. I wanted to share about the importance of teaching kids. How to play again. My title is that huma can't be taught creating more access an equity into our education time. Believe my story can impact so many people be efficient. Create inference with. I need to be at the ted global stage. Lots of ideas and a team of curator's at ted sift through all those submissions to choose which ones they think that you need to hear and so today on the show the person who leads this massive global search. Ted curator khloe shasha were khloe welcoming. You're having even. I'm so happy you're here. I've gotten to hang out with you at conferences and things like that but a lot of people don't necessarily know you because you are behind the scenes you run the idea search which you're actually in the middle of doing right now can. Can you give us a sense of what that process is like like if someone has an idea. How is this a way of getting it on the ted stage so with each idea search we basically just put out this call applications and we try to reach as many people's possible and you know we kind of ask the basic questions you'd expect like what is your talk idea. What are your main takeaways for the audience. And why you like. Why should we hear from you on this idea. And then each applicant is asked to make a two minute video as a part of their application to pitch their idea and then when the submissions close a team of us goes through these applications and select some winners and those people get to give talks either virtually or in person. How many submissions do you get every year so we get usually a couple thousand three idea searches and those are are organized in a limited amount of time so there's usually a month and a half or two months to submit but then you're around. We have our speaker nomination form open and so we get over twenty five thousand of those nominations every year through that form twenty-five thousand. I mean that is a lot of applications to go through a lot. But why do this then. Why not just pick and choose the people that you want to have on the stage. Why go through this process and these thousands and thousands of submissions is our team of curators. Is it's our job to have us on the ground in a wide range of fields. But it's really hard to sign new voices who aren't already being recognized in some form so these ideas searches are way for us to get new ideas on our radar from people everywhere. Let's dive into the first talk that you have brought us that has been sourced By this process is from a nigerian. Political comedian and journalist at yola firestone and sheet is just hilarious and biting in her criticism of a lot of people. Let's hear a bit from audio la. What's up people first of all. I cannot believe i'm on tedtalk. This is a big deal because right now everybody in my villages watching this and so of course my bride price just went up you know. I grew up believing the africa continent as a giant. We've got skills intellectuals natural resources money than any other continent but without good leaders where like an eagle has no idea. It could fly. Let alone sewer. I've forgot is like slipping. John's not the truth is i'm trying to work this giant and that's why i add the dirty laundry of those in charge of the politicians religious leaders with huge respect because modern anything else african leaders love to build. But ted so i give it to them induces on my show. I know them. I call them my uncles. My aunties my father's in the law. And then i salts them for insulting our intelligence and it's because we are tired of the hypocrisy and false promises god who doesn't love audio. She's so full of energy. Tell us all about her. Yeah so idealist talk is called. Africa is a sleeping giant. I'm trying to wake up. And it was a part of our virtual ted twenty twenty event in this talk. She kind of did a little mini version of what she does on a youtube channel that she has called keeping it real with eddie ola. And on this this youtube channel she typically puts out a couple of videos per week where she talks about mostly african news with this sort of political satire approach and the way she describes her channel is that she is bringing you african news with lots of flavors and spices to make you laugh out loud while learning about current events which feels very accurate so his audio a big deal in nigeria or on youtube or is are you the ones who kind of discovered her in some way. Yeah so she has more than four hundred eighty thousand youtube subscribers so she definitely has a big following. But i'm not sure we would have found her you know. We may not be the target demographic for her channel the sense that she really is targeting people who live in africa and the african diaspora around the world. So i think it was exciting to be able to to find someone who is so strong in her background journalism and so funny with her with her ability to to make live comedy like this for example. The president vowed to end medical tourism by fixing a dilapidated hospitals and building us new ones. Well what did he do. He's been three months recipient treatments and london and twenty seventeen. We were without incident for three months. We went president-elect three months so then it becomes my job to call out the president with respect. Of course i said mr president is your girl you have no. I forgot to answer. You have notion and bedroom. You have no fear of god tariff five thousand nine doctors are presently working in the us the uk and canada. Doing amazing things. Because in nigeria denno. Well paid then under. They have the necessary equipment to the job of being a doctor. And this is happening. In many african countries we have the capacity to fly but suddenly a lot of african talent is fly straight out of africa to other continents listening to audio. La's speak about the tens of thousands of nigerian doctors who have left the country and what that's meant for the nigerian people for me that is i opening because there's so little focus on nigeria or the african continent in general in. Us media. Most of us are pretty ignorant of how politics or for that matter. Humor work there. Yeah i mean. I think that's what's amazing. Is you know she has this way of basically using comedy to tell people truth where people live in authoritarian or totalitarian regimes. And it's actually hard to get information sometimes but like getting it through comedy is a way to actually know what's going on. She really reminds me of like My references of course are. Trevor noah or john oliver samantha b Using comedy to call out those in power Across the african continent and of course in her home country of nigeria. Is there anything that she needed to be cautious about or fearful for because you know calling out power is can indeed be dangerous. Oh definitely. I mean she. She actually regularly has to dodge both terrible commentary on youtube and threats at times but she is just an unbelievably fearless and determined person and she refuses to be silenced. And i think in that way. She's a leader. Who is showing other people that you have to fight for truth and justice no matter what and. I think you know the fact that she's able to do this. Work from the. Us is very helpful. What else about. Her talk is that she actually Not only shames the politicians but she shames the audience in a beautifully comedic way Just for being there. So let's play. And while i have your attention i have one more thing so please move closer to close. That's good. i don't like the way some of you portray africa. Not all of you just some of you. You especially football. It's not a country. It's a continent. I do not know paul from uganda. I don't know that becca from zimbabwe. Nigeria is as far from zimbabwe as new york is from france and it's not a bunch of naked people in need of western charity. You have it all wrong. Lions a narrow me. And i could go on but you already know what i'm talking about so i tried to do my job trying to wake the sleeping giants africa so she could take rightful place on the wards arena. You can do your beat to. Please listen more listening to your african friends without a preconceived notion of what you think that. They're going to say read african books on my god. What african move is a at the very least land. Some of the names of i fifty four beautiful countries. That's right fifty four baby five four all right. Y'all keeping right up in here onto the next time. i'm osceola besides likeable and scathing. Do you feel like in some ways. She was also speaking to ted. I mean i can only guess that making sure there's Representation from every single continent never mind. Country can be difficult yet comes to curing what what happens on the ten stage. Yeah definitely. I mean. I think she is someone who is able to speak to many different audiences and we really encourage that in her In the context of twenty twenty we wanted her to reach all audiences. And we said yeah. You're really good at making fun of african politicians do it to us to. We deserve it and and she she certainly did. What did she sort of. Did she say to you like what her goal was for doing. This talk you know. I think what's interesting about. The idea searches that sometimes. The goal going in is different from the goal. Once they're selected coming in people just want to talk and that's usually what people say and then as they start to work on it. They realize that they have this chance to really leave. Some you know powerful message with a global audience. And i think for her. She really wants people to pay attention to the corruption happening and also to stop pitying or talking about the continent is though it's only a place that needs aid all right. We're gonna take a quick break when we come back. Khloe shasha brooks brings us another idea found through ted's global search speaking truth to power through cartoons. I'm new summer odi. And you're listening to the ted radio hour from npr. This message comes from npr sponsor. Bank of america. You decided to upgrade your door deck. So you ordered the essentials. A- power washer a set of parents chairs and a shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback online shopping or five point two five percents as a preferred rewards member which you put towards the cost of your most essential deck edition a bird feeder apply for yours at bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. 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It's might fly under the radar but who nonetheless have something very valuable to say. The next head talk brought us. Khloe is from a political cartoonist. Raimo soup ronnie Her talk is called dictators. Hate political cartoons. So i keep trying them to tell us about rymer. I mean talk about someone who's fearless she she's a venezuelan. Press cartoonist from caracas. And she worked for various newspapers there but most notably out as a principal cartoonist for almost twenty years ally the united states and works for herself and over the years. Her life has been threatened many times by opponents of her satirical cartoons running. You hit me gusta a little girl. I used to draw all the walls of my house marina her day. My mother got angry and told me you can only john wall. Don't draw any others. i think met. That was the first time. I experienced inactive totalitarian censorship. And she gave this talk in two thousand nineteen at ted women and i was actually in the audience and i remember it particularly well In part because you played a role in this talk right you were the translator on. How do i mean there. There are often ted conferences that happen in different languages. How did you decide to take a spanish. Ted talk and put it on stage at an english speaking event. Yeah i mean it was kind of actually last minute. Decision are at first. We were going to have her give it an english because she wrote the talk in spanish and she's in that's her her native language and she speaks some english then a couple of weeks before ted woman twenty nineteen. She and i were rehearsing together. And it just became clear that her delivering in english would be a huge loss that her expression and and her humor her tone her ease would be suppressed in translation so basically just had some more logistical discussions and the team agree that it might be just worth having someone consecutively interpret for her from a shadowy corner of the stage and so it ended up just being your nacional. Makassar was born in a democracy in the country called. Venezuela is now a dictatorship for nineteen years. I was the daily cartoonist. For one of the biggest newspapers in venezuela. I really enjoy translating political and cultural current events into drawing those in the year. Two thousand fourteen. I got fired from my job with the newspaper over a cartoon that i draw alluding to the healthcare system in venezuela i do a flat line of a heartbeat monitor but i intentionally drew the heartbeat line in a way that resemble the signature of hugo chavez the former president of venezuela dole. Ethical real cartoonist. Two drawings together was a classic cardiogram line representing a normal heartbeat and she wrote health above it. And then below that. She june electrocardiogram line that started out as hugo chavez's signature which then just sort of melted into a flat line like a lack of heartbeat and she wrote health in venezuela above that and this was also a time when venezuelans grappling with dengue fever. Tonight and many other conditions that the healthcare system just wasn't able to sufficiently support okay. But let's you know. Put it in context. It was a cartoon. Why does rhyme. I think she was fired. Yeah i mean she she definitely thinks the venezuelan government was was maybe behind that many people think that in the sense that you know a few months before she was fired from that newspaper the ownership changed hands in a private deal so people were noticing more and more acts of censorship under this new ownership and so did she have to flee venezuela yes she was forced into exile and after getting fired in two thousand fourteen at she she stuck around for a little bit start getting death threats though and phone calls by people who were insulting her and her picture started appearing on state run tv yeah. President module even denounced her on a cd program and so she just eventually felt like was too much and she had no choice but to leave and she couldn't find work and saying home became more and more risky so she left in december of two thousand fifteen even though she really wasn't emotionally ready to leave she says look he daughter helter moment or liotta hubei. Political cartoon is a barometer of freedom in a country that's why dictators hate cartoonist and try to eradicate everything that involves humor as a mirror for social and political issues cartoon involves a delicate balance of ideas and drawings that reveal a hidden truth and a good cartoon is one that conveys the plot of a full length movie in a single frame a cartoon needs to communicate the core of a story with its precision and when it succeeds it's message can have the effect of inoculating people with a dose of skepticism into a gown. I'll let you know it's interesting to hear. Rhyme a- reflect on the power of a cartoon of an image particularly because the conversation over free speech is so big right now here in the us but that is a right that is not as protected in venezuela exactly. I mean it's just so scary that doing something that is you know possible here. Is life threatening there so she lives here in. The united states is she. Has she given up. Being a political cartoonist. A regarding political events in her home country venezuela or is that something. She still does not all. She's she's working a lot and she's making amazing stuff. And i think in many ways being here has given her a newfound freedom. She talks about like being able to look back from the perspective she has now and and have more space to do work she she loves so i mean. She's also so generous with her talent like while she was at ted women she sketched drawings of nearly every speaker who came onto the stage and then would sidled up to them with the expression on her face and reveal. The cartoon people will just walk. Who's so sweet. Oh i mean in some ways this. This was a very dark talk But actually she's pretty funny writer cartoonist. I find this often. When i meet someone who has been through some kind of really intense exile were is an immigrant coming apart. Circumstances like sometimes those people have the most optimism and just have the best attitude towards the world at large and understanding. That things are going to be scary and difficult. But i'm gonna fight through it and in the meantime let's enjoy life don't you. You're cerrell massery at one point in my career. I do pigs and compare them with politicians national guards. Unikely were responsible for stopping. Peaceful student demonstrations one day. When i got back to my office. I had a letter on my desk letter was from the venezuelan swine. Federation letter said. Please do not compare an animal as wonderful as pig. Politicians titians pigs are very friendly and noble. They can be a great mascot. They make good pets. And they provide sustenance to us in the form of. I think they were absolutely right. I didn't draw anymore pigs. But i did keep drawing politicians. I want to change gears a little bit now to the next speaker Whom you've brought to us This is even named jeremy brewer He's a police officer in connecticut and he gives a talk about the very difficult part of his job which is to deliver the sort of news. you know. No one wants to get that a loved one has passed away can tell us about jeremy. Jeremy applied through the idea search In twenty nine thousand nine hundred for ten twenty twenty He started his career as an emt for an ambulance service. And i think in the late nineteen ninety s and for the past twenty years. He's been working in law enforcement so he spent his whole career responding to calls in various ways for service in this community and many of those costs have been about death so he what he talked about. In his pitches that he regularly has to deliver some of the most sudden and unimaginable death. News to family members and friends okay. Let's listen to jeremy stock. Doing that type work has taught me powerful lessons on approaching highly charged situations in all areas of my life. My passion to connect started about ten years ago. I responded to a death call. That changed me a woman. Let's call her. Vicky vicky call because had suddenly collapsed in the hallway of their home. The first responders. And i tried everything. We gave it our best effort but he died and complete devastation. Vicky fell to the floor instantly. I could feel us strapping on that emotional arm going right to work on policies and procedures. I began peppering with questions like detailed medical history. Funeral arrangements questions that she couldn't possibly have been prepared to answer in an empathetic gesture. I reached down. And i put my hand on her shoulder. She flinched and pulled away. Suddenly her neighbor came running in and instantly hugger thinking pushed her away to. I will never forget the sound of her voice when she looked at me and said i wish i never called. Being confronted with. Death can be difficult for everyone often. We rely solely on our instincts to help guide us and law enforcement. We tend to put up an emotional shield a barrier to emotions that way we can focus on policies and procedures to guide us. This is why we can sometimes come across as robotic. I've discovered that in the civilian world. You're often driven by that instinct to fix it usually done with well-intended comments or physical touch. Sometimes that may be that right answer other times. Not had i slow down and just taken a brand. I would have been better able to connect to the humanity of that moment i could have avoided that policy and procedure. Check the box mentality. Her neighbor had she slowed down. Just taking a brat. She may have been able to see that in that moment. Vicky just wasn't prepared for touch. Our hearts may have been in the right place but we made it about us instead of focusing on her. Oh i listen so carefully to him to jeremy speaking. Because i feel like this is a lesson. You don't get how to help people in their moments in the worst moment of their lives and i'm guessing that that was what was on your mind to when you saw his pitch. Come in that you were like wow you know. This is people need to hear this. Yeah exactly. I mean he. I just remember watching video with a few colleagues and we were just some move by how thoughtful he was in the pitch and I also think this is the kind of speaker that the idea search lends itself well to in the sense that he's not super well known beyond his community in connecticut and we probably wouldn't have found him thrown research and right we also don't even have them. He talks by law enforcement so it felt like an interesting opportunity and and was that something like when he applied was he like you know. I think people need to know what it's like in when the tragedy happens or that they there needs to be bigger conversation about how we talk to people experiencing tragedy. What was his reasoning is made reasoning in the application was that he wanted people to understand how to have better conversations and support other people when something tragic happens and that it doesn't you know it's not just about being a law enforcer and responding to death calls but all of us you know have have moments like this so that felt really real that this could apply everybody. Yeah and so. Since that incident. Jeremy came up with kind of a motto that he uses in situations like this he calls it respect space. Listen and complete contrast more. Recently i met a woman. Let's call her monarch. I was tasked to tell monica that. Her husband had tragically taken his own life. She fell to the floor crying so hard she could barely breathe. The gravity of that moment was so strong. But i knew i needed to resist that urge to move in and to comfort. Her sounds crazy right. Honestly it's excruciating in your mind than in your heart just want to hug this person. I stopped myself having been around trauma for over twenty years. I will tell you not. Everybody is comfortable with human touch. There are people all over the world suffering from physical or psychological trauma. You may know nothing about who knows what they're thinking feeling and knows moments if i move in if i touch her like i did vicki. I could easily really victimize her all over again. Think respect space be guided by respect. Space it's a simple concept with a huge impact. You can't step into that space until you're invited. So i sat across monica silent island. Just feeling that moment. My heart was pounding so hard. I could hear that lump in my throat all i i barely swallow and you know what that's okay. Emotions invulnerability can be so hard for some people. I understand but in human moments people want human. They don't want robotic police officer or to be talking about paperwork they just want another human to connect to them as we sat together she asked me one question over and over and over again. What am i supposed to tell my kids. One of the most important parts of respecting space is not always having to have an answer. I could feel. She didn't to answer that question. She didn't want me to try to fix that unfixable moment. She wanted me to connect to the depth of that experience. She was going through. Yes i had a job to do and when the time was right. I asked the questions that needed to be answered but i did it at her pace. You know having listening to that especially in a year where there's been so much bad news for so many people. I wonder If you felt that part of this was almost a public service to hear from jeremy about How we discussed grief and also as you say the the roles of the professionals who we inevitably intersect with when it's the emt or the police officer or the emergency room technician all of those people who we don't usually like you say get to hear from their perspective. Yeah yeah. I think that's a lovely way to put it a public service. I mean he just is saying something that all of us unfortunately will probably have to deal with in some way and he's being real enough to share what it was like to struggle through it and to fail at it for a bit and then try something different and i feel like what he's of telling us that we don't always have to fix fix. Want something as horrible because you can't so maybe it's just better to sometimes witness what someone's going through and be present for them. Responding to death calls has taught me so much about the human experience and the best ways to be there for somebody when they mean you the most but it doesn't always have to be when dealing with death. There's never a bad time to build a connection hearing a private revelation from a friend. You could be such a better listener. An argument with a loved one by just stepping back and giving that respect space. You could better connect to their side of an issue. You may never be asked to tell a complete stranger that their loved one died but we all have the opportunity to be the best most connected versions of ourselves especially in times of need that respect space that you provide another can have a life changing effect on the people around you when we come back more. Unexpected talks and ideas found by khloe shasha brooks and her team through. Ted's idea search. I'm newsom roti. And you're listening to the ted radio hour from npr. Stay with us. 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Twenty twenty bank of america corporation as soon as you wake up. You need the latest. That's why up. I is here. It's npr's morning news podcast in just ten minutes or so you can start your day. Informed listened up first on the npr one app or wherever. You get your podcasts. It's the ted radio hour from npr. I'm newsom roti and on the show today we're talking to khloe shasha brooks. She's a curator. At ted whose job it is to go. Through the thousands of applications that ted receives each year from people who want to give a tedtalk khloe. Obviously this process means you get to discover speakers from all over the world. yes we've already heard nigeria venezuela the us and in the case of our next speaker the netherlands This is a talk given by yvonne and she is a social worker amsterdam who specializes in dementia care. And at the beginning of her talk she starts out by explaining that she used to work in a standard nursing home which we all know can be a pretty depressing place. So let's jump right into that part of the talk. We often spoke together about the fact that what we were doing there was not what we wanted for our parents for our friends for ourselves and one day. We said when we keep saying this. Nothing's going to change. We are in charge here. We should do something about it so that we do want to have our parents here. We talked about that. What we saw every day was that the people that lived in our nursing home. We're confused about their environment. Because what they saw was a hospital like environment with doctors and nurses and paramedics in uniform and they lived on award and they didn't understand why they live there and they looked for the place to get away. They looked and hope to find the door to go home again. And we said what we are doing in this situation is offering these people that already have confused brain some work of fusion we were adding confusion to confusion and that was not what these people needed. These people wanted to have a life and the help to deal with that dementia. These people wanted to live in a normal house not an award. They wanted have a normal household. Were they would smell their dinner on the stove in the kitchen are free to go to the kitchen and grab something to eat or drink. That's what these people need it. And that's what what we should organize for them. Evonne talking about radically changing the way people with dementia are cared for in an institutional setting Dementia it's been in the headlines a lot it is. There's also discussion about how the pandemic has Meant that a lot of these patients can't have outside visitors increasing confusion and loneliness It is a cruel cruel illness in. And i wondered when you heard the pitch like how you related to it. Khloe no totally. I mean i have family members struggling with dementia. So it definitely you hit a a a personal level for me I just feel so sad. Whenever i think. About how badly setup we are at least in the united states to care for those family members it feels like we just don't have that many good options for them that allow them to feel like they're in their normal habitat and comfortable because there's so much confusion with the more sterile environments and so what yvonne decided to do was to open a dementia care center in amsterdam that would be a model for revolutionizing the way people with dementia are treated. Can you Describe what she did this new kind of center. She wanted this new center which is called Hook vic to provide familiarity in a sense of community to the residents a place where people can be kind of allocated different lifestyle groups depending on their preferences and how they they lived before. So it's a place that's truly laid out like a village community. Buildings pubs dance halls. The benches just thinks that you would see in an actual town or village. And i also just love something about yvonne's approach which is that it's not necessarily about investing exponentially more resources into building a care center like and may not even be all that much more expensive to make this. It's actually just about making better choices. And she has this liner. Talk that i love. She says red curtains are just as expensive as gray ones. And i think that's right. Let's pick the prettier curtains. And it doesn't have to look sterile you know. We said we should organize this like at home. So they wouldn't live with a group of fifteen or twenty or thirty like an award now. A small group of people six or seven family like like living with friends and we should find a way to select people based on their ideas about life so that did have a good chance to become friends when they live together and we interviewed all the families of the residents about what is important for your father. What's important for your mother. What is their life like. What what do they want. And we found seven groups in recalled them lifestyle groups and for instance. We found this formal lifestyle in this lifestyle. People have a more formal way of interacting with each other distant way their daily rhythm starts later in the day ends later in the day. Classical music is more heard in this lifestyle group than and other lifestyle groups and their menu. Well free cuisine than traditional dutch in contrary to the craftsman lifestyle. That's very traditional lifestyle. And they get up early in the morning go to bed early because they have worked hard their whole life mostly with their hands very often had a very small family businesses. Small farm shop. Or like mr b-be he was a firm hand. There are more lifestyles. But that's what we talked about. And that's what we did. We are social animals. We need a social life. We've onto go out our house and do some shopping and meet other people or go to the pub. Have a beer with friends that social life is important. It means that you're part of society that you'd be long and that's what we people need even if you are living with advanced dementia close. She goes on talk about some of the like the pub. They have on In the center and how one resident goes there every night and dances with the ladies. I mean he's basically live in his best life and it made me think. Oh you know what lifestyle would. My mom fit into if she had to go there or or me for that matter because it does sound Quite wonderful actually and my understanding is also that Hook is being used as a model for other just as she hoped For other centers that are sort of Mimicking this idea of creating a village as it were. Yeah yeah there's one that was modeled after hook vic in new zealand. And it's called the care village and they self described as modeled on the hook vic system with. Qe twists cash become a place where people with very advanced dimension. Kennedy's have freedom in safety because the professionals working there and the volunteers working there know how to deal with dementia. And that means that the management has to provide everything. Those people need to do their work. It needs management that dares to do this to do things differently than we always have done in the traditional nursing. We see that it works. We think this can be done everywhere because this is not for the rich. We've been doing this with the same budget. As any traditional nursing home has in our country we work only with state budget because it has to do with thinking different and looking at the person in front of you and looking at. What does this person need now. And it's about a smile. It's about thinking different. It's about how you act and that costs nothing and there's something else. It's about making choices. It's about making choices what you spend your money on. It's possible everywhere thank you. It's really truly an inspiring talk. But i have to wonder how the facility has been affected by the pandemic. I mean so many of us have not been able to see are the elderly people in our lives since kogo broke out Our parents are our friends our grandparents. There's real heartbreak their and i wonder how they're doing. Yeah no it is really heartbreaking. I feel like zoom. Even when that's an auction will ever be enough even though it's better than nothing at this time Yeah it sounds like Hoc fake has implemented more protections and safety measures as many homes for the elderly. have and that they're doing okay. but meanwhile yvonne has actually retired from her. Work there But she consults under project basis for an organization called the advice which advises on innovative care concepts for elderly people living with dementia. So hopefully her goal of having more parts of the world those places like this can be achieved with her and her team. Okay so we're coming into the last talk that you've brought us and up until now we've been hearing voices that might be like pretty difficult to find without ted's idea search because they don't fall into one of the usual topic areas that you're curator's cover or or because it's hard to find voices from all over the world but sometimes you do get mission khloe that you're like. Oh why didn't we think of that right exactly. I mean this this talk by elizabeth zubi. Turtle is called what saturn's most mysterious moon could teach us about the origins of life So you know. She is doing something with nasa like. We could have heard of her. We just didn't in this moment and so seeing her through the idea search was really exciting picture. World with a variety of landforms it has a dense atmosphere within which winds sweep across its surface and rainfalls it has mountains and plains rivers lakes and seas sand dunes in some impact. Craters sounds like earthrights titan. Okay so zippy. Turtle but zubi is her nickname. And she's talking about titan saturn's largest moon And some people may have heard of the project which is called dragonfly. Tell us about zippy. So she's a planetary scientists at the johns hopkins university applied physics laboratory and she's the principal investigator for dragonfly at nasa and it's scheduled to launch in two thousand twenty six and land on titan eight years later in twenty thirty four so she's very very excited to learn about tightening. That's a lot of delayed gratification. If you ask me and titan is an extraordinary moon let's hear more about it. Titan is one of several ocean world's moons in the cold outer solar system beyond the orbit of mars and the asteroid belt with immense liquid water oceans beneath their surfaces. Titans interior ocean may have more than ten times as much liquid water as all of the earth's rivers lakes season oceans combined and it tighten. They're also exotic lakes and seas of liquid methane and ethane on the surface ocean worlds are some of the most fascinating places in the solar system. And we've only just begun to explore them. That is wild to think about ocean. World's okay khloe dragonfly. This plan spacecraft. Tell us a bit about it. Yeah i i'll looks. Kind of like a dragonfly. it's an oversized on the size of small car with eight roeder's so that technically makes an octa catheter. Which i had not heard of until she came into our orbit not to make upon but Yeah so she She is designing this thing. And it sounds like has a lot of different capacities. Once it lands. Dragonfly is a mobile laboratory that can fly from place to place taking all of its scientific instruments with it. Dragonfly will investigate titan in a truly unique way studying details of its weather in geology. And even picking up samples from the surface to learn what they're made of in many ways. Titan is the closest analogue. We have to the early earth the earth before life developed here. We know that the ingredients for life at least life as we know it have existed on titan and dragonfly will be fully immersed within this alien environment looking for compounds similar to those that might have supported the development of life here earth and teaching us about the habitability of other worlds. Habitability is a fascinating concept. What's necessary to make an environment suitable to host life whether life as we know it here on earth or perhaps exotic life that is developed under very different conditions. We don't know how chemistry took the step to biology here. On earth but similar chemical processes may have happened on titan where organic molecules have had the opportunity to mix with liquid water at the surface has organic synthesis progressed under these conditions. And if so how far we don't know yet we don't know yet khloe but the you're twenty thirty four. I'm waiting for you. Dragonfly that talk okay so chloe. Let's say someone is listening and they're thinking you know what i i have a good idea for a talk. How will they know if their idea is good for the ted stage if they should even take the steps to submit a great question so i mean i think one thing that we tell people is to think about the difference between a topic and idea so a topic example might be something like we need to fix the opioid crisis. Like of course that's fascinating and most people would agree that. What's the idea within that. So an idea might take that step further like a specific angle that stems from the topic. with a unique message solution or insight so talk idea that actually became a talk from from that topic might be in the opioid crisis. Here's what it takes to save a life so we're actually hearing about you know the steps to potentially end this person by person. Okay got it. Now let's say a person has thought through all of that. They still think their ideas legit. What should they do. How can they get their idea to you and your team so please please spread the word if you know someone who has an idea we're spreading or if you are that person apply it's still open until the end of january so you can apply at go dot ted dot com slash idea. Search and winners will be invited to give. Ted talks either. Virtually person khloe. Sasha books is speaker. Development curator at ted khloe. Thank you so much for spending this hour with us. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks so much for listening to our show this week on ted's idea search and again for more information on how to submit your idea visit go dot ted dot com slash idea search and as always to learn more about the people who were on. Today's show go to ted dot. Npr dot org and to see hundreds more. ted talks. Checkout ted dot com or the ted app are ted radio production staff at. Npr includes jeff rodgers son as michigan. Poor rachel faulkner diba mohtashami james l. 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"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on apple. Podcasts podcast one. Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. A mid atlantic. It's me winter just a heads up. I'm gonna ice and snow all week but if you're driving honda you'll be fine in right now. Honda is offering its best ever. Apr on the entire honda lineup. Crv hov pilot passport and more with real time all wheel drive and all the safety features included with honda sensing like a collision mitigation braking system and adaptive cruise control. And don't forget to turn on your heated seats it's gonna get cold. Sorry see your local honda dealer today. It takes thousands of hours to become an astronaut right nina. I'm not an astronaut. I'm a design consultant at the container store. But you explore space. I help you find space with our alpha closet systems. And you're an expert pretty good at it. And you satellites to communicate. I'm doing more virtual in hong closet design. But i wouldn't say salute you astronaut nina for helping us find space. You're welcome hurried. The container store to save thirty percent on all elvis systems at the container store where space comes from podcast one presents. The steve austin show classics art. But he would go through sixteen gimmick street. I got sean waldman here face to face man. Morale are you. I'm great fantastic. Fifteen a m. This early podcasts. I've ever done and you're living in philly right now. What are you doing in town. I'm here a lot more now. you know. I was mentioning maria. Menounos coming under garl- wrestlemainia. Why i met them before. But they came up to me at wrestlemainia and kevin he wanted to. You know get some projects going with me is yes. They have after buzz. Tb they got a great celtics. Yeah i'm gonna do like the rulers of its world. Yeah and And also at their house. Amazing studio that that that he built and so Is it any like a studio ear. It's it's comparable. i'm kidding me. Where to four by four tables neon clock is complete bullshit. Bad stuff picture here. Pictures reality this. This place is bullshit. We're gonna project you can do like podcast but tv show right. Because we're using the studios. I just want to take advantage of all what your subject matter. Well people wanna hear me talk about wrestling. So that's what i'm going to be doing but you know. I like to talk about a lot of other things i like to think. I know something about a lot of things you know. But i don't know. Do people want to hear me. Talk about those things though. Dude the tough thing man like With with my podcasts. It's like sometimes you know i'll just You know my computer. I'll get people to send questions questions. Steve ozzy show dot com. And now i'll answer those. Give advice stuff like that or you know. I'll talk to from Mma world a lot of talk. I mean that's because that's my core demographic as it is yours and so i think people have been accepting of that because it always kinda does come back to pro wrestling just by default. And here's the thing for you. I i can speak for you. And i'll say this for myself. We're proud of our root. We're probably of we come from but there is another part of us. A big part of that likes just to talk about other shit. And i personally i want people to know i'm not you know i'm a little bit. Were well read than they might think. Or you know that. I'm not just this yet. Just a wrestler. Yeah masters i knew about things going on in the world. I think i haven't pretty strong opinion on most of it so i like to share that people want to hear it but i think the thing is you know if you set the table like ad but if you come a little bit of wrestling you know. Got a segue other stuff. I i think people be accepting of it. 'cause you're not in the day you know. I'd like to think that people tuned into this show because they want to hear me talk. And whatever turns into it turns into and i'm just trying to entertain man hours going to consider this like i don't use the name seinfeld because i was a comedy. Genius or seinfeld was a show about nothing really podcast. It's really about nothing as long as i can to spread information or entertained somebody while they're driving to work from or at work off. That's all i'm trying to accomplish. And i spent a little four one one or messages are some tips traps. Bullshit that i've been through a long way and help brother out and that's cool but today i'm not trying to save the world with a saying it's entertainment for me. It's a release for me but at the end of the day. I'm hoping it's entertaining. It can engage people and as a pretty cool. I gotta learn about shit foods too hot rod guy or i got a chance to learn about now what else so wanted to be kind of uplifting or at least a w you try not to do on this thing sean as i don't like to go negative people when i started. You know every now and talk about someone and a disparaging. But maybe i'd take a shot or two. You know i'll even do that anymore. But just because. I just wanna talk negative about anybody. The roads been down in my life. I've done enough things that you know where i had to learn some lessons but i don't want to shit on anybody. I don't wanna make fun of anybody thanking then good to say about somebody or conversation or from breaking down a match you know to be honest about the match but not totally shit on someone but give them some games and trade. Secrets are a little one what you should have done. Or here's what. I would have liked him but i throw it about another bus in. It's obvious to like you're really good about that. And and i try to be. But i find myself all the time thinking after i say something maybe i should have word that different. Maybe i could have gone without sanit altogether. You know but it's just it's in my head. And i have a hard time. Not spitting it out sometimes but sometimes what happens and i want to be very clear sometimes say things and even to this day people will take bits and pieces of phrases or take out of context case in point. I've talked about this a couple of times. I don't want to be a dead horse. But i said a few matches ago. Aj styles carrying roman reigns to a couple of world-class matches. Did you get hinch. Seals matches their bad ass. And that's a hard match to follow and you've got an eighteen year. That jacob workers roman reigns was coming around. But he's a five year guy shasha. Jimmy carried him. And so all of sudden google alerts steve austin says asia quote unquote carried roman reigns as like dude that like it was an insult. Roman reigns no roman. Did his part. But sean as long as you've been in the business. How long have you been announced nine years forty nine years if you work with a six eight year guy who's gonna carry the match hammer you okay. So is that an insult to the guy you're working with. I would hope is an insult me to notice that. Hey got veteran retail careless match. No but i mean just people get together and you. I mean any other time. They'd be shitting on roman but now they're wanting to come to all. Hey kerry kerry. Do you know what i mean. It's kind of funny. What'd you make out of his drug suspension big. I mean you know. It's not i don't want to watch sure what everybody wants. Head on a silver platter. I mean we're human beings man and it's a first time he's pop dirty on something since he's been there now. I mean come on. I mean if it's a ongoing thing they'd be you know but i mean come on. We're human means that. I mean there's three strike thing for a reason and the wellness policy so i mean that's just my opinion. I think people are making a huge deal out because they just don't like the did are you. yes she fan. Yeah god did you want you to see to our. I was i had other things going on. Oh man well anyway. Thanks john jones. Piss dirty any said of substance that he can pronounce estrogen. Blocker was it. Tails does estrogen blocker when he pretty much when he said something he pretty much knows. What's what's up. Gay challenge but not using pretty factual so that being said man facing a two year suspension dude. And if they're gonna pop. What was it nick. Dear's for two years for smoking dope dope. No help you do nothing. But she'll or a victory glaucoma dams you don't. It's not never no. Nobody's and aim. I'm gonna go kick so-and-so's ass smoke joint. I never seen that happen. You might think you're going to do it. Smoke a joint and he's never mind bill. Burr does israel Funny rant about you know back. In the days you are y- baseball players of coke every skits coming in wired and thirteen. You dope no i just. It doesn't do that. It doesn't enhance anything so two years for some pot so i don't see how jones comes out of this with the career intact. Young cat had a nike sponsorship. Everything in the world going for him and all of sudden boom he gets which is is this a second strike because this is the two year ban because you had to hit and run blowing a car right. Yep so does he have a future following this because you know fastest sport is evolving and as bad acid his dynamic because that guy is two years on a shelf years on the shelf and then on top of that before you kick in. Where's the money. Come from to pay the bills. Because as you know sean. And i know wh- if i leave the ring for two years backing are primes. Well we're going to pay the bills right. You ain't making the same note and we built up pretty pretty good not per month no matter how much you try not to that not gets pretty big right and so if you ain't got no money coming in to pay the current nut would you might have. It ran away. But you don't wanna touch that money so you know. What are you do just to generate income for two at that same level. Because you don't do. You got nike sponsorship. That's like hallowed territory for ufc fighter. I it just blows my mind that he would knowingly Do that with everything. But here's day knowingly. But i don't buy the whole you know. Oh i didn't know. I took this or that either. I just think you know you pop dirty man. It's no matter if it if it happened that way or not. People don't wanna hear that. Shit steve on just because nobody's buying right guard out. Sixteen i mean just go back to lance armstrong days man. I ain't heard any dirt ain't pass every test okay. Here's a dude. When he won. Eight tour to francis and cycle is one of the dirtiest sports in the world. I was just so. He's so he's eight years. Eight toured france wins. And everybody's getting popped everybody in sports dirty but he's the only one clean and he's beaten. Everybody claimed alert. The reason he got mopped. I think it was because he was an asshole to his people. He through everybody because he wasn't doing anything anybody else wasn't doing. No you know. and so. and that's the thing. The culture is force everybody to lie. You know. we're not everybody because everybody's not doing stuff but like i'm sorry steve. My opinion is that ninety percent or more of guys doing something and they have to. If they don't it's a it's a competitive advantage. I don't think it's even cheaper. And that's just my opinion. I might be wrong dude. I don't think it's cheating either. I just think as long as you have a baseline or a level that you can't go above here and that way the field is level for everybody. And i would go so far to say dude and this okay. This doesn't mean you if we're all competing in in whatever endeavor it is if i could take a little to make me look or feel or recover faster. Yeah i'm willing to take that little bit. Just gimme some edge. Everybody was say madge. But i'm gonna feel better than just being one hundred percent clean hundred percent natty and you've got to recruit of recovery melting. So i'm down. It's just like okay when the two thousand and one sixteen roll around okay. Everybody starts running. One hundred meter dash the two hundred meter dash four hundred meter. Relay the pole vault. Discus throw do do. I want to see him. Guys like run a twelve second hundred. No no i. Don't a twelve five. No i wanna see the guy you know only be able to pull out seventeen feet rather than almost twenty people wanna see world records. Continue to be broken. What right. yeah so to end. That's only going to happen with. Because of all of the built up to these high scientific testing people been doing this shit mansions. When we're steroids. Invented in the forties forties one is about ball was about the only gimmick coming from either russia or germany or whatever but spun up to you know all the scientific at the designer stuff. Go back to the barry bonds. Belco days let me go to. They got some slick stuff. I can't imagine discovers to harmful on the human body give you can only take just a con here for dosage. That you're not just blowed out going crazy take a little bit. The thing that really gets me is the the general public expects these guys and ladies to go out there and just destroy their bodies for their entertainment but yet they they want like decide what they can take and what they can't or any of these like you know people that are making the laws that don't own anything about i. Don't wanna get off on on the soapbox here but come on get on a soap box. You're going to have you shown after but they're just but i'm just i'm just for you know. Do you want everybody gas to the gill so that their health is in peril arrest. Nah i ain't saying that but man for a little bit. I mean we'll take take the nfl levels are i don't know what their policy is. But if those guys ain't on anything. I ain't no way everybody. Nfl as one hundred percent claim because best board is too long too violent too rugged for those cats to recover from week to week basis and then all of a sudden what was a couple of years ago. Goodell was talking about expanding a season from sixteen eighteen. You kidding me you got four preseason games and then you got the play offs. What are you asking these guys to do. And they're supposed to do it clean. I mean willy. Nilly me straight up. Ain't happening man. Yeah i guess we can talk about this all day long. You're listening to another classic. Episode of the steve austin show. Only on podcast one. Hey man you own or rent your home share you do and i bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com. It's been medicines of senior. And last time i called you. It was bad news. I just got to ask you a little bit about this. Just because he was with her for a while now almost four years. Yeah bashing china. Because i'll tell you what for some reason. I got a phone call. That was i was one of the first guys notified and rock my world and i didn't even know her as good as a lot of people did but i knew her. We were good friends and a lot of conversations and a lot of hygiene and laughs. She was cool credit incredibly funny dry sense of humor quick and she was sweet. Check but tug about this for a second remember when she came in. I mean i think that the hotel. Because for some reason i never ever travel with sean or triple h but for some reason i was traveling with them or i showed up at the same hotel that they did. It might have been boston somewhere. That's tv taping the next day and joni was air and that's because she went to kill her school trouble and so i guess that was going to be there her introduction to events. I guess i don't know what the deal was. But i remember seeing that first time but you know from from the time she got in the business until she left the business for whatever reason that was but dude that shit came in there and got over a total greenhorn went through killer school but green as grass come in there and it was good bucking and it was good positioning but she got over like nobody's business. I mean she was his over. Anybody else was absolutely and you know come on. Let's be honest to when when she when she uncorked one of those forearms. A knock steve boston down. That doesn't hurt happy. I in in that setup that set it up for everybody else to to not be able to say. I can't sell for you because stone cold. She got great now. How was over. I had some first matches whether and when she started out of matches and it was with the guys with you know. It was hurricane versus hunter. And i and memphis. I was the first time and she was great. She did great it. Was you know he kept the basic. What would your own ad or you're like a girl and while they want me to do the job right. And i wasn't really i didn't like it face o'connor was dislike that fuck it. I'll do it you now. But other than that i sold. I sold motherfucker for. Yeah yeah. I wouldn't her though right. I wouldn't do that. Like i hit her with an elbow sleeper hall. But you know other. Natto figure out other ways to stop her. Did you see that. You're you're you're on twitter. Twitter account at the real x puck at the real x puck. Did you see that that video has started floating around. That was when we was over in germany. I don't know if you remember this tour. But i was working with triple. H and china was his heater and She was ringside. And you know there'd always be a spot in a match where humid triple. She would do something. And then triple introduce some draw. The referee apron. She'd be choking me are be on the floor. She but she be getting heat away. What happens is even risd on her. She flops out of the ring. Bamut stunner on triple h. I go for the one-two-three get it. I'm rolling over. I'm taking tape off my risks and his german fan bum rushes ring. Did you see that dude. Here's the thing is. I'm glad i finally got someone spent a story from because i would just tell the story by myself today. But here's the thing hunter ain't never had no amateur background. Ain't i know shoot background. He just a pro wrestling. And he's about as good as mellow of a guy that i've ever seen in the business as far as level headed cats and never took no pills no booze no nothing level headed straight up business and he played the game so to speak just as far as the business. And that's just straight up. That's not kissing dude. I hit that stone. Got that three cats. And as soon as i hit the ring you know triple h had been laying there just kind of looking up at the lights and he's out of peripheral vision. He saw that guy drive by have never seen him get up so fast he wastes locked guy belly back like some dynamite kid would do then. He's got his start granted town and him and the whole time he's doing he's got them security getting near security getting here and it took him forever to get in there and i guess it was killed and start putting boots him. A lot of people got on kyoto's ass putting boots he's used to thank you. How many times up over that rail. You're done exactly how many stores you heard from the old timers thirty forty years back and getting knifed. Who is just just gas. Was that several people i know. Milenko and orton senior tag match and with the with the scott others in a shit started gone. You know getting out of hand on the way back. He got stabbed. So that's happening launch. Time understand that man. I'm in show again. That's that old school heat man and because whether you know. I don't think the business had been we were sports that are tammy yet. Maybe we still you know feelings feelings. You're trying to affect that crowd. But back in the old days man the heels would would go over on baby fae fuck them and then you know. Got the crowd be so hot. They literally have to fight together as a team or there was two of them are four of them organiser tag and basically fight their way and sometimes guys from the back would come help them fight their way to the bags. Yeah but that's just the way it is. So here's the deal and it was probably ninety six thousand nine eight back in kid answering triplets jumps on him. Kyoto puts the boost. I'm here's the thing did when you're on a road three hundred days a year you putting your ass online and do not. It's an inner circle. That's what the boys are at the club. And you ain't into club now. We want you to pay you money to come see to club and we want you to cheer and boo whatever you got carte blanche to do anything but when you jump in at ring you ain't a member of the club right. Stay on the other side of that rail. So was killed a kid. Yes he was. It might seem it might seem wrong to outsider but trust me. That's how you do it. That's how you doing because you know it just is what it is and the thing about was. Here's the thing. I thought it was a rib because longtime times you know knows german knows. Uk shows or a week in each one and traveling in the back is were brutal ardian but a lot of times we do impromptu run ins and take a gas finish. Roll out of rig so when a guy. I hit me one boys. And i didn't have to respond and triple h two kids disturbing. But it's like. I'm the number one baby facing the world. I can't jump in and start throttling. A guy too because triple h was being pretty effective along with kyoto can set in wash and look for security but it is what it is. Yeah so what. You're supposed to do we'll do you. Remember the six man you had and and garden it. Was you and apa against billy glow dog and i do jump. The rainy asked. Jim dodson may recipes and he was about ready to get into the ring. And ron was iron amok man. It was about ready to kick off his shoulders like saved him state. The guys didn't might say guys life really. Yeah but so that. Was you know that was somebody thinking. Maybe it's not a good idea to do that anymore. Did you ever have enough heat. And when you're welcome back to the crowd you felt threatened. Yeah yeah sure. And that was mainly in mexico. Yeah because the people are still buying it down. There was it. was it easier for. Why guy to get he mexico's your because you were just mocking are done. Whatever sure and in you know everybody falls into that. Gp thing where you know. You disparage the country throw tortillas right so like in the people they eat it up. Yeah you get hit with you know. Rock sparkplugs jumps dirty diapers. You know bags hot sauce that burnt you like acid things like that. Here's thing you do this quite a bit. And i don't think he's ever been in harm's way but you know time. Jericho would do that thing where he leaned back on an error on the guard rail against the crowd because if people loved him but like you always get warrant or other people that do with that as well. That's a hey man. Be careful when you do that. Because you just don't know and i know i can almost say sheeran with the hundred percent. Accuracy that chris jericho was never heard. But a lot of the veterans or the old timers kind of frowned upon that. Because you're trusting. Like mel's seeing back day with brian. Bilman brother don't trust anybody you give back to someone you just don't know what's going to happen or if the fans sometimes you get over zealous and digits you'd we felt it when i've got you know gotten close to be born. They've gotten on me. It's happened several times and you kind of blow it off when you're out there but it sucks. Yeah i mean it makes you think twice. You know joe going back to the channel when you saw her get over and sudden you know she has her bill would triple h and then aren't the word on the street When she came up to renegotiate. I thought she was asking for a dollar. And i think we both know the number. Yeah i got to give credit for having the moxie to ask for that number and she was hot but man every but in the territory was hot. I was white hot and so was it. Vince didn't want to go there. Or was that when the triple h and stephanie things started happening it was a little bit before that when she was asking big money. Yes you're asking. But i wouldn't have. That's not a hill. I would have died on because there's other things you can get like. They wouldn't give me the downside. I want when i came back know. And so i just hit him up for you know other things that made up for rhino. I'm like okay the days but fifteen days a month i get the other fifteen for my family and they thought that was a good idea. I start giving me the money. I wanted but it ended up biting him and ask because i told all my friends. Hey fifteen days a month. That's what you do. So what what happened when she left. Because i know she'd just done that. One guest appearance on a television show then said she had designs on. I'm going to be an actress because at that point she left the company right. Yes i was obviously when all this stuff happened with what's down then that's when it happens. Sure so then that's when she left but but she had on item yet. No no. I didn't see her for a couple years. I i didn't win when we became one that was never in my mind. I just you know visitor. Seen her a couple of years. We were all friends. Yeah and i've seen a lot of people did great. I don't know. But i always always recommend to people like if you got designs on doing something else. Man's day state in the system for you can and let the system help you or used system to your advantage. Keep a profile up because you know may which can you hear my thoughts. Aren't i don't i don't know this but i'm just like what was she. Five eight five nine nine. What about a buck. Eighty she slimmed down but not to be. We have our frame that right right. I mean she's a big girl. Criddle genetics six. Yeah oh great today. But but i'm just thinking man. She left the company. Come out around withdrawn luck in the world. Because when you know how funny she is and she is and charismatic. But man when you come out to la with with everybody. I hear there's not a whole lot of parche ver- check as five or go down a buck sixty. She's got a frame. It's almost like something has to be specifically written for exactly show you know. I thought she did like looking at it. Like looking at the things she did when she left. She got another playboy cover which was really hard. What after was sold through. The root of this has the second one. Yeah okay because even though she didn't have the wwe machine for publicity when she was there she kept in contact with everybody. She got smart. Yeah so she had all those contacts so when she finally did talk half into do another cover she she hustler man and that thing sold just as much as the first one both of them were like the highest ones that they ever had. That's what i was going to say. Yeah that she did things well. She did that. Celebrity boxing thing chili butter food. That wasn't the best idea. I didn't but i mean she held her own chunk. Tigger head off yeah. I saw him at at her memorial. I was at memorial. Yeah and i recognize man's oldest shit looking but anyway she got a the billboard music awards. She got to be a presenter as part of the deal for that celebrity boxing thing so that was good. She did some movies and things like that and the main thing is like she got a really good gig with new japan and like had a feature matching a tokyo dominant. New japan rang man. That's huge you work with show. No oh his appeal of that. I was telling her we had just gotten together at that point. And i'm telling her about how japan works. I'm like you know the media over there treats it like a shoot and like their press conferences and you can shoot your angles and so she starts shooting one with show on our own down. Well he had to because people well. You didn't have to be busy sport about yeah. Took her head off he did. Yeah but she did good man. She didn't really good match. So you said this is about when you guys were about. Y'all okay you known each other for how long you know. I don't how many years missing organically happened. Just i had a break up right before. I saw so i was kind of down and I was really kinda the boohoo. You know that port. Whoa with me. You know two weeks and she was there scooped me up and you know and i just happened man. I don't even know how to explain it. But i just remember hundred tax to me like hey mom hey kid kind of psycho shooter. You get yourself into really yeah. He didn't like you was mad. Or hey what are you like. He was just worried about me. Why because you are. Yeah well i mean. They're you know his experiences what they're really. I don't want too much too. But yeah you know so. He was just going by what his experience. When i got you leave you know. I mean so much has been like you know. Here's the thing. I was always hoping man that You know after all the bad blood that happened between step. You know we could that we could squash that. I don't like having that shit in my life. Man people that you know. I like to make amends with people. man fucking sucks when somebody that you really love dies. Hate your guts man. A fucking suck steve. And i i sent you a text message. baz amen. Hey doing. I don't think i heard never heard back for now fucked up. Whoa us thinking when she was on the surreal life for you both loan or did you make some cameo. I came on. I sh- i hadn't heard from her one once she got on there. I didn't hear from all man so i was. You know a real bitch back then man like she like i just kind of lost my own identity like i don't even know how to explain it right now but it wasn't cool man. I was pathetic back then. But i wasn't a deck or anything like that. But i mixture your butter like i think was like ten roses or some stupid shit like that and i brought them to the surreal life. People said oh. Why don't you bring them up to the house. And i'm like yeah okay. Walked right into a chat man to shoot. Yeah so they charged work for them. Yeah yeah answered. It and i didn't do myself any favorites and chopped it up then when chops reality television they can make you look good. Bad indifferent popped up because of editing. Yeah so man. At at that time you weren't at a good place. I was in a better place. And i had been previously. Still i was still but you're using still using just not. I would fall every once in a while. But it wasn't an everyday thing like it had been for a few years before i went and got cleaned up a little bit. That wish she had been on something totally. Yeah i mean we were doing you know doing stimulants a couple of different kinds all different things man when you look back on it you probably don't back by men like twenty twenty years like damn thinking. Yeah well i don't. I know what i was thinking. Those are the thinking was was messed up man. I just had our carry around a lot of guilt. Man he goes. I wasn't a positive influence. She wasn't on meet either. But that doesn't you know but if you a positive influence you didn't introduce day was already there right so could you men not positive in. Somebody's life. When i got you and i want them to be at least as good as they were if not better when i leave him and not in worse shape. And that's not that didn't happen man. So it's fucking to people who are to use the word addicts each other. But there's there's a shitload of dysfunction and level. Because i mean what are what are you based on because it would infer reality has ground zero. I mean and being clean yes and relationship that you want to be in but you both fucked up and you both have your issues. And then she. She cared a lot a lot of stuff from our past and i never really understood or knew about what was the deal with that. I never went there whether sure i think she had a rough upbringing. Whether father sure the father and the mother and father was kind of a drifter and yeah yeah willy. Brilliant man she really she would talk about him and you know shoot but some of the things he did that were negative negatively affected our and that but she also seen as sparkler how much she really loved the guy you know and looked up to him at the same time but when you say gripped or do you remember that movie. The grip yeah. Of course. I can't remember the lady who played that shows. Angelica huston should but i mean like like he was a worker. Yeah as a con artist. Yeah yeah that was she. Was she a lot about and you know since but she had some challa trauma. I mean i. I wouldn't want. I wouldn't want to screw the story up and do it. You know not do it justice but you know we can just imagine though through yes. I think so. You guys are together. How did y'all come up with the idea. Hey manley's mega sexy. My best recollection We were living in In beverly hills over the Beverly glen wilshire and want to donald sterling's buildings one of the people at work. They're always coming up and hanging out and it was a female security guard. I think she floated the idea about because of the paris hilton thing. And i just kind of built from there you know and She was down for it. And i was in at that point okay. I'll do whatever you know. Whatever made happy and it was. It was both of our. You know there wasn't a. I would never blame anything on on on her but what was it. What was the motivation was. Money was going to get as famous or more famous or more well known or opportunity What was what was the motivation purely financial. I'm pretty sure when you say pretty sure i. It's hard to put yourself in somebody else's head you know i'm not sure but but were you show on my part motivation. Sure financial and also. Hey she wants to do it. And okay okay i'm fine. How does this process work sudden. You know you guys start screwing as someone writing the script. Are you calling the match on. Fly serious question. How do you set something. Like i have a sex life. Sure i'm never made a sex tape. What goes into making one. Is it planned out legit to some. Not monkeying okay. This right at the time that all got started. You know discussion about okay. We monkeying around. you know. i don't wanna get too graphic. But you know what i'm holding. The camera and things are happening or whatnot. But then didn't really talk about it. After that and i started getting not started already was but really really bad on on the drugs and so hunter he came first all they tried to send cab to come get me and i pull a ghost on calf and made you disappear when he just got her place you know and because i had called paul and i'm like dude i need ninety nine. I need help. I need 'cause. I'd seen him not to but prior to that and He's like if you need some help and please call me. And i would man the lasting ramona do is ask people for anything you know and It's that pride you know but Finally drugs are is it denial. It's and stubborn. It's well it's bad first and then when you realize because to me i spin that in the pride but it's like everything but because it's denial and you really want to stay on that's fair. Yeah you're right actually but you know you need help absolutely. Yeah because i'd already been through it before you know it was many. It was several years prior that my early twenties and i was really good after that things went really well. Let me break new storms era. When i met you way back today with brian driving. Brownlow ship box chevette own back in no way man i really only ever touch back then with some some pot and will you know some alcohol. When did you start getting heavy into this yet. Can wwf really sure but what was it. It was his still. You know somebody breaks out. Hey here try this. And they don't mean anything by this is how things were right. You know back to the story key. Give kevin go screaming. But but i ask you about the filming session was in house up producer at one in one of the little clips. Video games A female was one of the girls was holding the camera. But here's a deal. When i was getting at steve was paul came to get me. He took me to atlanta and Him events pay for reader that was before the wellness policy. They just did other pocket. Yeah i wasn't ready for the help that i asked for so I got out of there. And i got my ass right back to la but just said something. I wasn't ready for the help i ask. God do about denial as you can get because when you're talking about a treatment like that and i'm gonna magic thousand dollars now thirty grand a month. Yeah i mean how long there. I didn't i didn't last a month before they kicked me out. Okay so you picked up what happened. I got kicked out or both wide. You can get up in rehab. You can't do how you school in rehab because it was. The situation was that Campus and they held they housed us in this apartment complex in the problem was it was like a mile down the street from the dungeon clear. Clarify what the dungeon is getting lanta. It's the ol- ramada. That all the boys i mean. Basically we lived there. Wwe guys lived there. Man aren't lived there man. I i lived outside of atlanta frequent there when everybody was there. I'm not dropping anybody's names in greece. I'm just saying that's what that's near. Where the whole roster of wcw lived bar carolina gas so but the atlanta boys you know would have their houses. But that's nobody would congregate. You didn't live like you said so. What are you saying is since dungeon. Was what a block down the road. It was a few miles but close. But that was where you were getting. You hook up. The boys. Sure gotcha and i would let you out. Sure we could go to shit. Once we built up a little bit of You know good time so and could go to the store and everything you know. I mean so. We were drinking by like cough tablets. That won't show up on a drug test. Go to tablet shit and they make you trip out on another. Yeah it wasn't headed you drink shit. They call purple. No interest coding. It's just something Who came a long way. After i was the furthest dempsey reach two when it came time to. You needed a buzz so you didn't have proper shed so Basalt and stuff like that which i. I can't fathom that but what was worse that you tried the mouth and shooting the mouth man. Boot and fucking ibn. I mean we talked about that before when you asked me about that match. Aj but when you talk when you just the way you just ask that the worst thing i can remember doing man as having some math and barred on a like a strip club in tijuana and going in the bathroom stall to shoot it. Yeah and taking water out of the toilet the man. Oh gee i fucking bad. I don't wanna get high. Yeah okay you ask tone. Drink water used. I'm not laughing good. Damn that's that's pretty desperate so you you go back and then where do you go from that. You get kicked out of rehab. So what are you doing you know. Here's the thing man. I was being subversive to other. It's one thing you fucking your own treatment up but when you start a fact another people's treatment and you know poisoning the water supply so to speak. I'm hanging shit in the in the lunchroom saying you know a is a call and all that shit you know and it was just getting. Where were you working. What do you mean what you said. You're hanging up in the in the treatment center. And i just in time to go man. I can't affect another people's recovery like so good. We're going back to the sex tape of that. I have to drop them a number on me. But did you make any dough from this show. It was six figures. Okay and You know. I got fifty k. Up front and she got a hundred so but what happened. Was i came back after rehab and we actually filmed. After after the deal was made they wanted more footage and we filmed after and And then i flew to china and film some footage over there so they could to the. Yeah do you feel about that. Won't you was done. I felt like dog. Shit steve just just looked like his family. You think you're proud of that not at all. ma'am. I try not to be ashamed of things because same not a good fucking thing to have well even harbor on you too long. I would imagine that trigger. But it's okay to not feel good about shit you did you know and i can't we you know. Obviously it goes without saying we can't change it and And i really wish that when that happened. And i mean it in her man even though we both were like the the the the artwork on the cover the dvd was so humiliating for and the shit that was written on at you know So man and really that was one of the things that you know led to to the downward spiral and she's dead now. Man you know you got the call and you kind of went awol. I didn't hear from you give me. Don't call text each other every single day coming to town. You know we. We have if i if i see. I'm return your shit. Then you heard the news and one of the hardest things was for you was that maybe she went out of this world is still hate. Hating are not in a good place with you so that that hurts you so when you heard that news was that a trigger for you did you say man i i just wanna get fucked up. I do you deal with that. Because you're you're man i use. I use my cannabis medicinally and leave it at that. I'll have a beer or something once in a while right alcohols not really my thing. So right but That's a really good question. Because when it happen hunters call you know texan easing europe. And he started the first thing he can worried about. Kid right kids gonna fall off the deep end and i get it man legitimate concerns especially with my record and i. I didn't go there. steve. I had my dog man. That was that was why i love my dog. So much shit like that man. That dog see my wife. You know maybe. I maybe getting over dramatic there but that dog keeps me like wanting to go get fucked up or self-harm right. Yeah so. I didn't go there steve. Not once i you know. Sometimes i like. I'll take xanax net for flights or if i get a really around the steering diety shed but i wouldn't even go there because i didn't want to self medicate too much man. Sit with the shit i was. I was feeling but it's important to do that. That is but but had you went there with the other stuff nudity. Us power and you hold you. Forty of forty four tomorrow. Here's the thing. As long as i've known you just seems like i'm fifty one but i've known you forever met we're waiting around whole lot but you're still a young guy but at forty four. It ain't time for sean waldman back down that road. That's right you're on and getting twisted up in a cyclone bullshit that you might not kick out of but because dude i mean quite frankly right now with everything that you've been through if you ain't learned your lesson and do going a lot of men and i finally learned from it so but you can't go down that road all marijuana this ad for flight eight. Yeah that's sure that's above board. That's acceptable that's doable. But otherwise you. You can't afford to do that. And and i know that and But see a lot of people know that and they still go down that road. Just yeah you know. I mean i just didn't realize i'd just i don't i can't live like that man and i and i talked about you know things i've done. You know attempted suicide and all that man to happen for me anymore like that. My life's too good. You're listening to another classic. Episode of the steve austin show only odd podcast one support for this podcast comes from pluto. Tv need an escape drop into pluto. Tv for a world of free tv stream hundreds of channels and thousands of movies and shows all for free. Yeah free no. Subscriptions no fees imagine twenty four seven channels of narcos. Csi star trek survivor. And everything else from hit movies to binge worthy. tv shows. The latest news live sports comedy and more. What are you waiting for. Download the free pluto tv app for android iphone roku and fire tv and start streaming now pluto. Tv drop in watch. Free your forty four You ever thought could always look at rs watch. Boys were another will will leave us. And i was. I'm always. I'm always adding up the average age here. A lot of cash into forties late thirties. And it would macho kicked at fifty-six driving his jeep heart attack wasn't drug induced job. You gotta earn expiration date. Yes you ever think. How long have you been trying to make an address this world. Yeah do you have a goal. I couldn't. I'm pretty realistic. I beat the shit out of myself. I i'd be happy if i if i hit sixty five. It'd be cool. Seventy would kind of be the goal. Editing pass gravy dude like sixty five. Just straight up with your mayo. No there's there's people listening but sixty five is is actually if i could clip there. I think i'm good. Yeah right up. I think i'll be cheating down. Make sixty five right. I'm i'm doing. Like i like to be real and i liked to at least be honest with myself. You know i am coming out and I think about that often like when one warrior died. Different things you know when somebody dies. I'm thinking okay. He lived to be the slum. And i compare the things i've done to damage myself mirror when you're shooting coke and matthew stuff into your main man that's not too good on the heart. Did we were doing the thing. It was a it was a financial plan and and my guy says well. This won't kick in when you're when you're sixty five. I looked over my wife. She's foot sixty five. So we'll make sixty five straight up. Certainly going back to the memorial. How was that. It was really well done. Man started a got started off weight. 'cause you know anthony the manager. He he wanted to you know he's dead personality type of a learned that he wanted hands on and everything. You know harper to delegate. I think so but it was really well dot man she would have. She would have really dogged. Julio's was very site and he wrote a song titled berry williams Greg brady yeah. He sang It was just really well done man. She became a mormon while she was in japan up. I just looking for for sensible longing somewhere man about johnson. Just just needed jumping man. You know when you're looking. Because i i didn't talk to her about it so i'm secular legis now before you know. We never talked about that. I would discuss it like she kinda gave me the impression she really didn't believe in i. So you yeah. But i don't really think anybody on earth has it all figured it out you know. I don't think anyone religion has hasn't figured out steve but like so many things. I've you know seeing in like experience in my life makes me think that something's going on. I hope show but for you then so then you. Maybe somebody to watch it. Yeah most definitely and watching out for other people over some of the things. I could have done to really hurt others. Man driving fucked up steve. You know and thinking about the people. I could have killed so i mean just you know hanging and not breathing for however in fifteen minutes or whatever and still be still here. So something's going on a disservice wrap up. The main was cremated or she was cremated and and share a they made a really cool earn for was black and tanking out a bunch of gemstones on it and the next day we got a yacht redondo cheer. We went out in the water and spread the ashes and so you know that was kind of brutal kinda lost it on that That i did it. And i wasn't sure man st when the sheriff that was appropriate for me to show up but they call me and they said you know she was getting ready to of Own things and and you know. Try to make amends. And and unlike i had unbelievable but you know more than one person told me that so. I hope that's true. I really hope. Check it out. You know i was a dentist. Don't copepod gas with triple h you guys very close as well as a friend of mine When i brought the question about china gone hall of fame fair question. Who's a fair question. But the answer didn't robot well and then the the answer didn't rub a lot of people in the right direction. I understand that. But there's there's not a doubt in my mind the chatham house hall of fame. I don't give it whatever her past is to be. The same ballot is the hall of fame. Well it's it's it is what it is it's their business so then cinch excelled two extremely high level and they were women have paid their dues before her. We both know that but mean what she did and hot spirit and the history wrassling to get over that strong. With all those strong personalities a male dominated industry and for her to be in the upper echelon of over they man. I don't think you can deny that. She belongs the hall of fame and then she did for just the empowerment of women in general beyond. Our industry I mean that's like billie jean king type chat. I mean the more impressive. In my opinion working what you know the guys for vents and then a woman's never even stepped foot in a wrestling and new. Japan rang before our cents against the guy against the guy or before that i mean. Ambro neal is luke gallows valet over there. The bullet club. That was the only other time. A woman's ever stepped foot in new japan rain. But i thought they had women wrestlers over there not new japan pro wrestling and japan. No only in their own. Japanese women j. w. p. all japan pro women. It's all separate oh. I didn't know that japan had pro o. F. in way man straight up not if there was some people that were really out to get her over there and bakes run her off. You went to japan when china restaurant show. Yeah i was after that one. That's really crazy stories. Dave what happened because we were both really act out Now this was after that he she was tagging with him and they wanted me to come over there. And shoot nine gone and joe. China neighbors chana and tanzania tokyo about. Oh yeah that one. I went to hell. Okay so i they want you know Negotiate for us to have the match and pay. They offer me like half of what they're giving her which she's a big star wasn't a huge problem with me but it ended up being an issue and i like She made me feel the because she could tell something was up right and so when she found out what the money situation was like. You know like an argument started over. That and i ended up going back on the deal. That i made you know and say no no not not for that money. I need to i same as her right or wrong. That's how i was. My mind was time and so that created a situation and one of the photographers over there called and said there was something fishy going on and they changed the match. Honor put like some amanita guide in the match and started spoken her and so for a while. They're like she wasn't even going to go and it was like to go and i had to go with her. Like i was a huge and troublemaker. Because everything was fine before right and you know they didn't understand that there was a law chemicals in you know and i even brought shit to japan with me when we went there. I'm brand eight balls and shit with me this crazy man. I remember being the bathroom by right before she went out for match and she's scared she wants me out there you know. I'm in a bathroom. Getting hit his speed. So i can go out there and we went out there and she ended matt. She did great but she was nervous. Rock an challenge. Want me to shoot shoot nangle at them. And i'm saying i don't think i'm coming back so i shouldn't put my hands on you odyssey. If he's not going to get you know come up is on me and something happened. And he said something. I can't remember what set me off. But knock the shit out of a man replied nowadays ear and i started putting the boots to really hard and he said something about only back to and i'm just like man. I didn't wanna touch you at all. I don't know we're coming back. You know and we got real paranoid that we're going to end up in the bomb at tokyo bay china novi quits right. I mean he's got his gimmick was. He came out looking like yakuza. It's yakuza kick right so and when your mind you know kansy like they're coming to pick us up To take us at airport and we're not answering the door and like we get our own ride that no we actually were wait. We think we waited like three hours thinking they're going to go and when we finally left the room there waiting outside for us at my talk so we don't know what's going to happen but we do make it to the airport and we get on a plane get back. It was just it was crazy. I'm crazy. I enjoyed going to japan but i was always ready to get on an airplane and get back from japan. Two weeks is is my crack point. Yeah yeah benefit. Three weeks way back in the day and i told my tricep on the third trip as tags a lot of six men tags and man and drank beer like fiends to maintain our sanity. Because we're stateside guys. You know what i'm saying. All of our stuff is in america. I was sudden you'd go with air and everything's different. I love sushi. I love the culture. The people were cooled. The wrestling style was cool. I mean they treat you fantastic. Everything about of cool yeah. It's just the fact that your way from your family and you're in a foreign country used to be in stateside. Go to work. Get a shower. Grab your beer. get into car. Drink beer book ca territory you know. Do you think the hotel you might be some action going on the hotel you know in the lounge but now on wanna bus you had a bunch of guys you don't know me marrying. Aren't you know guerrero been wa malingco where we had her crew and the best of with those guys. Oh yeah but but we. We got an hour in and we talked about enough china and on a on a on a note. But the thing about like. When you're talking about the hall of fame no. I do on say this. It's important to me that she gets in there. I mean she was of the reason i mean. She was really disappointed when it didn't happen for like she wanted but they wondered to get cleaned up. You know. get some help from their come on. I mean from their fans point when they get somebody to come up on the stage and accept hall of fame. You know being in the hall One and not worry about like you know what they might say right make sure kind of stable and they i get it from that point of view but she she deserves it being there man and i i. I don't know if i would really want to go in without her on and she deserves a she'll be sooner rather than later man. I i hope well. I don't know what the perception will be going next year but to me you put her in next year you just do. Yeah so that's my that's some people say. Oh it's too late now. No it's not ideal but or they're just going to say now they're doing it right gonna be now in five years. Would you rather go now. Five years ten years. I really out the thirty three. Yeah thank you for joining us for another classic. Episode of the steve austin show zero rating and review on apple podcasts. And tell your friends for more. Steve austin show go to podcast one dot com. That's podcast e. dot com. Amen do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and i bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save as gyco easy. Geiko dot com today. That's geico dot com.

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Olga Rayska. Zagraaby u Vegi?

Kacper Majdan

40:52 min | 6 months ago

Olga Rayska. Zagraaby u Vegi?

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All heels night terrible

The big d zone

08:30 min | 9 months ago

All heels night terrible

"Okay, this is Prince DJ and wow. The stuff that I mean and I'm glad I didn't look at YouTube videos yet because I have a weird feeling that with the cold weather dad hellinacell wage to be he'll show and you know, my stance on heels. I hate he'll just a month of everybody else. I mean, I mean look at look at Chad Gable Chad Gable just became a total opposite of Disneyland or Disney World Disney World dream come true Chad cables there. Now I know many orders from st. Louis, but he's he'll either he'll I don't like heels leopard at my city. He should feel. I don't think he'll so I'm having I have a real feeling that this is going to be a very difficult broadcast for me because I say I better let this out now because I gotta do how I did what we closed every day at 7 on NFL pick up on Tuesday. And it's cold. I mean, it's so cold. I didn't even get to go to church. today I didn't I didn't even book to go to church today, but I made sure I put for next week and then next week regardless. I'm going to go vote regardless of trump is going to help us executive orders or not off what he should do, you know far as multiple similar chats and unemployment and stuff like that, but they make it later. The election where they I mean, they just let them suffer along. I mean I barely survived the last lockdown and then biting with another lock down. I mean, I may not vote for Trump, but I can't vote for biting either of I mean that I know I know that you can't run but I might I might put you into the as voting. Anyway, I know you're not you're not able to run wage but like I might put you in any way. Oh my God, I mean, this is ridiculous. Absolutely appalling so we suffering and they want our votes. Wow. Wow, but anyway, so I'm going to early vote this week. I got I got I got least seven of NFL pick up to do and before another disaster. I said, you know what? Let me go do Helen FL how I did and when I was looking at I was like, let me see what happened and I was like, I didn't like it off. I've already didn't like it. Oh boy. Well, let me go before I blow my cap off and and and then it'll be so easy for you to cook my head that you could probably make great meals on me. You'll probably see the smoke coming all the way from st. Louis. All right. Helena sell okay. Now this will then out a match. I didn't even get the chance to go to this match. I had no chance to pick this match. Or did I I don't know I chew first just to cool off and well according to my notes are too young to be the 25 down again. It's a champion again. It's a safety as you put it. So no questions there and they're the one that did the show the kickoff show. Okay, there's one was first and I worried about this one. The first person I say I quit what the one that wins and off Roman Reign versus Jey Usos something birthday that Roman Reigns is the Hilton on both. He'll Jo sold is the faith. So I went with Jay Uso off and let's see what happens because it's like the hill one the hill one Wow. the hill one So also just out of the out of the main family. Wow. Net-net, please. I knew this was going to be hard. I knew this was going to be a hard card Elias versus Jeff Hardy. I picked Jeff Hardy twin the man even though a lot of the town of that but he's the he'll Elias the myth already won the money in the bank contract and I don't know if Manny left, Otis, but Those are the people show so far this vehicle show. I'm done he'll show but I'm a man of my word. I mean that they not going to go to the full show me the video show some people like, you know, some people like that the fact that the hills are winning. Wow. Wow. Let down Women's Championship. Now. The only one that I did get right only man that I get that ride with Bailey Rosa Shasha only one that I got right out of the whole damn car. So far with daily rental shops is Tasha, and I said start something for when as he did Oh my God. Terrible. All right now the heck so this is another Adam at United States Championship match. Okay, so I would have to check. Can I play championship match without it and I didn't know mounted. I don't know if I did include any. Oh my God. You know, it was Bobby Lashley versus slept yet Flapjack. I don't know who the hell is left. Jack is Bobby last week one Whatever to Mcintyre and manual and of course for thirty w e Championship manual art and wine. It was a table to all he'll show it was basically all he'll show except possibly. I don't know starts a bank looks like a faith in this one, but they usually of the heel. Very disappointed. I am very disappointed in hell in the sale. I mean I mean, why don't they just add Jericho and Cassidy and it has Jericho win? And after you lose again? Why don't they have that cook Jericho Turnpike? Why don't they have the million dollar man? That's another good guy in a million. I don't want man went again. I mean why not? We have us and the whole match and twenty20. It's a hill and twenty twenty wins again. Peace.

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441- Abandoned Ships

99% Invisible

31:11 min | 3 months ago

441- Abandoned Ships

"This episode is supported by wire frame. A podcast all about creativity and design wire frame is for creative professionals glut of you listening you x. Designers illustrators artists activists anyone who appreciates how creativity impacts the world in one episode. Talk about burger king's new logo and the role of nostalgia in design and one coming up is about the font we love to hate comic sans search for wire frame in your favorite podcast app. Ninety nine percent invisible is brought to you by progressive one of the country's leading providers of auto insurance with progressive. Name your price tool you can say what kind of coverage you're looking for and how much you want to pay him. Progressive will help you find options that fit within your budget. Use the name your price tool and start an online today at progressive dot com price and coverage match limited by state law. this is ninety nine percent invisible. I'm roman mars just on the horizon. You probably can't quite make it out. Shasha this is amy baron regarding himself with his phone is he stands on a cargo ship off the coast of shasha a city in united arab emirates. Some ways in a delic sensing forty four degrees. C is calm. sky is blue indies. The regional director at an organization called mission to seafarers in part of his job is to deliver things like rice blankets. Water and sim cards to workers who are trapped on abandoned cargo ships in literally main typically one of the member of our team on a small speedboat pulling up alongside and climbing up a fifteen foot rope ladder to get to the ship in some cases. The people that andy tries to help have been stuck on these abandoned vessels without enough supplies for months or even years loading provisions yet again onto this festival. It's been here now for more than two years. We've all been on lockdown around different parts of the world. Just multiply that by ten and you'll get a sense of what these guys are facing all the time. I would sometimes say it's light prison but you don't know how long the sentences right now they're about fifty of these situations on the international transport federations official database but a lot of these cases go unreported and so the real number is probably much higher. There's producer alex attack. Who brought us the story from the podcast kernan cultures anti works mostly in the united arab cameras. But they're abandoned ships all over the world particularly in the middle east and the people on them do describe feeling like they're in prison surrounded on all sides by water and unable to leave because of the strange legal no-man's-land exists for workers on these ships gets net. Gimme sean took the call them given that this is matt goshen. He spoke to us in turkish and we had an actor voices lines in english on december. Seventeenth two thousand nine hundred nine. I joined the ship to ship that. I stayed on as prisoners when the met i boarded a cargo ship called the keenan meta in twenty nineteen. He thought he was signing for a pretty standard seven month contract. Then he'd be back home with his four year old daughter and his dog the keenum matay twenty four other seafarers. That's the industry term for these cargo ship workers and was third in command just below the captain and the first officer. I was good. I had everybody's sport as my crew. Everybody followed me. Hierarchies are actually a crucial part of what keeps work running smoothly on a ship. The crew is a constant battle to keep seawater from a roading the vessel and they work in a grueling schedule cleaning painting and de rusting everything. And then doing it all again. Mama had no idea the calamity that was in store for him. But in retrospect there were a few red flags like sometimes. The workers didn't get paid on time and the ship which was built in one thousand. Nine hundred was a little rundown. It was an old ship. It wasn't a very well kept ship from the beginning. It was in bad shape and then on what was supposed to be the last leg of a mets trip. The ship pulled into a port at the mouth of the suez canal in egypt. With around seven thousand tons of cement to deliver but when they arrive to the poor they were told by the staff manager that the owner of this ship. A turkish company called blood when marina say didn't have the money to pay their salaries all the port fees and that they'd have to wait moment hadn't been paid since january and now it was june so he some other crew members decided to protest by stopping a lot of the basic that they were doing to keep the ship in reasonable shape. They told us. Look this. will bankrupt us what you doing. The owners in a situation where he pays that. Don't do this matt says that the owners made various threats in text messages to the crew. They said These things on tv. You'll be left in a very bad situation in there. Of course they threatened also dated a lot of gang update days set the egyptian port officials on us. They told us if you stop work Will clear to captain the second officer and the head engineer as terrorists will charge you the terrorism and throw you throw you in jail eventually. Though the owners just went silent they stopped communicating with the ship entirely. They started not answering our goals. So they They left us. They abandon us. They become abandoned because that word abandoned actually takes on its real meaning. Nobody cares about them and they are truly abandoned by the state by everybody else. This is lana halili. A professor of international politics at queen. Mary university in london. She just finished writing a book about the shipping industry in the gulf called sinews of war and trade. I mean this is kind of like a very basic maybe stupid question but like why can't they kind of just get off the ship at the port. It's not a different question at all. So there are several things. One is the international treaty. Obligations require seafarers to stay with a ship for safety reasons etcetera etcetera. And if they get off the ship they actually forfeit their wages. So in many instances seafarers end up having to stay on the ship if they want to be able to get paid ship. Abandonment tends to happen with smaller companies operating on really tight profit margins. They run into financial trouble and suddenly. They can't come up with the money to pay the costs involved in running a ship fuel port fees and see farah salaries generally see various can make anywhere from five hundred to six dollars a month. It's more than muslim. Fueled they can make in their own countries which is why they're willing to put up with a job where they won't see their families for months on end and a lot of seafarers take out loans against the money. They expect to earn working on ships. So in some cases they start these contracts already dad beyond wanting to weigh on the ship to hopefully eventually get paid. La says the country's just won't allow these abandoned seafarers to come onto land if they've not been paid their wages and if they don't have a ticket home that means that essentially these are going to be people that are abandoned indigence in a state that doesn't probably wants to support them. Essentially no one wants to claim responsibility for these abandon crews and when the owners disappear can be hard to figure out what higher entity to appeal to because the ships are often flying. what's called flags of convenience. I mean it's a terrible thing. But essentially what it is intended to do is to avoid regulation and to avoid any kind of goods Service or virtuous treatment of the environmental or the workers until the nineteen twenties ships generally had to follow the regulations on working conditions and pay taxes according to their country of origin so a british ship flying a british flag follow. Uk laws american ship american laws. But in the american prohibition in the nineteen twenty s shipowners started realized that they could evade. Us laws against transporting alcohol if they registered ships in panama. And by doing it this way they also avoided a bunch of us taxes and minimum wage requirements more and more ships dice. Do the same and so flags of convenience became a thing today around three quarters of ships worldwide. Fly a flag of convenience illegal to do this. It's not even really a loophole. It's just a norm in the shipping industry. The only ships that don't do it are the ones that do most of their business in the us and europe where there are stricter rules. In that case his ship the keenan was owned by turkish company but was registered under a panamanian flag. Blood wyn marine as the owner of memet. Shep doesn't have a website. they aren't listed in directories so they're basically unreachable and by the middle of june twenty twenty. They'd completely stopped communicating with the crew. The net thought surely the owners on just gonna walk away from the ship at the end of the day. The ship was were around two two and a half million dollars and what we were all was about one hundred and twenty thousand dollars so we were thinking they will give us our money than men. The company stopped answering v. Thought ever were bluffing. The first month the crew sat on the ship and waited hoping for some kind of resolution as june rolled in july things got harder and the weather got hotter. The time wouldn't pass on the ship. I was it was really hard. It was unbelievable. Because you can't go out your always on the same quarters and then even if you got it was really hot. I mean really the experience summer heatwaves there so the humidity the dent the the grew could go onto land but they could see the shore of egypt shimmering on the horizon where we stopped. There was the desert. Can i tell you there was nothing beautiful about it nearby. There was a soil that has the raw material of cement There's a lot of that in egypt so reminding that in the mountains and they were always doing some explosions with dynamite. Like sometimes when the wind blew the ducks would get really bad. We will be all covered endured. The crew kept trying to contact the shipowners to no avail. They also contacted the company that had ordered the seven thousand tons of cement on their ship to see if there was anything they could do. But that didn't help either. Eventually they also reached out to some of their own consulates in egypt's for that was the turkish consulate but no one would help as he kept on dragging on the. We started to understand the seriousness of the matter. The crew didn't realize at the time but they were entering into a kind of sunk cost black hole. More time that passed the more they felt like all that time would be wasted if they got off the ship now without being paid if they could way that was a good chance the insurance company would pay out or the owners would be taken a core and forced to pay their salaries. This happened in abandoned ship cases before but is impossible to know how long it might take and whether waiting is the right decision and he can quickly escalate to go beyond three to six months to twelve months to years. And it's absolutely incredible. How often that seems to happen. That's antebellum again for mission to see farris. Anti wasn't involved with shit because it wasn't in the geographic area where he works but he's seen these cases go on for a very long time once it becomes a stalemate the crusade. I can't go home with nothing. Because i've now waited twelve months. Twenty four months besides delivering basic supplies to abandon ships and he also tries to track down the owners of these vessels to get them to take responsibility for their crews but he doesn't have a ton of tools at his disposal just the phone in emails so it can be a very slow process. What do they say. What is that defense. I have definitely had cases where i've sat in a meeting with known. This was one specific case. That happened last you with an owner in the united arab members and he has made it absolutely clear that the theros are the last thing he's thinking about he is worried about the mortgage that he has other crunches has to pay and he almost said and he didn't quite is almost the seafarers are just a commodity with with everything else that needs to be sorted out by august. Twenty twenty things had gotten more dire on ship. They couldn't pull into port to restock provision without paying the port fees which they didn't have and they were running out of food the crew was rationing so we were distributing food by one by one. And you get three apples. You get three apples you get through pairs. I get one cucumber. It was it came to that level. I mean in the end. There's a saying old problems on the ship. Start from the kitchen is really true. Hunger as you know is the beginning of everything i mean. People were at their boiling point. Feis were starting to come up even from. Why did you look at me that way. Why did you look at me. This way matt said eventually. The official hierarchies on the ship broke down. It didn't matter who had been in charge before there was a new order beginning to form the superior Subordinate relationship was We lost that. And then racial grouping started everybody was hanging out with their own nationalities and at the end they were groupings in between those racial groups. I mean the indians different groups amongst each other. The turks at different groups almost each other ukrainian had at the same so on so we kept on being more divided by this point. Did wanna leave the ship. He was like. I don't care what happens to my salary. I just wanna be off. But no one would join him and he was scared he might be put in jail. He couldn't face going through that alone. I didn't want to do anything along. Because i didn't know what will happen to me if i was along. I mean i couldn't take risk still constantly obsessively thought about getting off the ship and concocted some irrational plant. It will get you get so suffocated on the ship You start not being able to think logically because your psychology detroit. So much he. You're thinking what can i do. That was a beach about three miles away that he thought about swimming to or when other turkish ships came by he thought about somehow jumping onto one of those and stirring away. But he didn't. I was talking to my family. My sisters she was Stopping me and my friends were like. There's no need just hang on a bit longer. This too shall pass nothing and they supported me my friends my family thanks to them. I mean that's all i don. The crew of the abandoned keenan also have support from one organization who i heard about their case shortly after they were abandoned. Let me switch of my mobile by switch office mobile because never stops it. Never way why. What's what's going off on. It is mrs mischievous requests from fans for assistance. This is mohammed ali. He's the arab world in iran coordinator at the international transport. Workers federation the f. Which is basically a labor organization the office helper at can to abandon seafarers while andy is often on board with cruz offering supplies and moral support. Muhammed is more focused on the bureaucratic end of the problem. He spends his days in office doggedly phoning and e mailing shipowners and organizing legal cases against them honestly every day. I've got a big list to tackle when we spoke. He just got back from dropping his kids at school and part of his routine. Each morning is to sift through these messages. Abandon ship cases where he's been asked to help and figure out what he can do but obviously he can't deal with all of them at once like andy. Mohammed tries to reach out to the owners of these ships. And when he can't help start putting pressure on whatever country ships flag represents but he hits a lot of dead ends or people saying that though look into it but nothing happens insists the this people have no water. This is emergency and you. Steve received that were nucleate done that. Someone will be in touch with you. So whose responsibility is this. When muhammed i heard about mammoth ship keenan mata- and all of the crew abandoned on it. It was june of twenty twenty. He reach out to blood win. Marina say which owned the ship and he said that initially they were somewhat responsive eventually though they completely dropped off the radar and mohammed didn't hear from them again luckily ship had insurance and mohammed started lobbying them to help idea for put pressure by putting pressure on the insurance company. They got us Four months pay. Itf did that. Mohammed got the insurance to cover basic supplies for the stock on board and four months lost wages for the crew around one hundred twenty thousand dollars in total but when he began to arrange for the seafarers to go home. He ran into a wall of complications from the egyptian port authorities. They didn't want to risk the ship. Being left in the port unmanned in totally abandoned because then it become their problem. Ultimately mets ships case went to court in egypt's muhammed's organization the icf appointed and paid for that lawyer and then after seven months of mohammed and the crew trudging through this bureaucracy. Hundreds of phone calls. And what's at messages. Court dates ends and a few false starts. It was designer. That most of the virus should be allowed to leave in phases. Net gives a ton of credit to muhammad the f. for finally getting them off the ship. I mean if it wasn't for it if you would probably have been doomed. Maybe i'll still be there. Maybe you would have to stay for another six months in the last week of december right before christmas memet finally stepped off the keenan mezei in egypt and got on a flight home to surprise his family. I didn't want to get their hopes up so not to destroy their hopes. I tell them. I made it surprise eventually. All but one of the crew members board the keenan mezei were repatriated to their various home countries. But this situation still hasn't been totally resolved because of the rules in egypt. The captain is still there but he has been moved to a hotel near the port. Muhammad told me the the captain won't be able to go home until the ship has been auctioned off to a new owner a process that could take several more months. These days is trying to figure out how to earn a living in odessa ukraine. Where he lives if he can possibly avoid it. He never wants to set foot on another cargo ship again. After all this happened. I'm gonna do whatever. I have to do as far as i can. I'm not thinking of going back to ships. I two three five years. I mean i feel that. I know that before i joined the ship. I was really good. My -perience stuff was good. But after i went through like this i feel like. I got old when i look in the mirror. Mets case was actually not as strong as other people. I spoke to the story that was because she spent nearly three years on a ship off the coast of the united arab emirates before he could get off and semi whose crew were stock off the coast of beirut for over a year and in that case they were living on a ship. Most of the time had no electricity. Andy for missions. Farris told me that one reason all of this takes so long to resolve is that the owners are trying to get the best price possible when they sell their ship because they are so many different people money sometimes happens is they say well. The market's depressed at the moment but markets do fluctuate wait another six months. Perhaps the market will improve and therefore we can get more for our ship and they tend to not think about the crew who will have to sit on the ship floating during that period of time. And he's working on a new law. In the united arab emirates that would give authorities power to take ownership of a vessel. Sixty days after abandonment. That way they could auction it off and the seafarers could go home much. Quicker countries can enact regulations that banned things like flags of convenience and strengthen labor unions. That will also help. Ship abandonment cases. Go down these are the kinds of things that have already made. Abandonment relatively rare in europe. And the us but until more of those baker structural changes occur. The work for people like mohammed. And andy will happen one ship at a time here. We are just a few miles out on yet another abandoned vessel. We're just gonna meet a couple of crew. We're going to have a cup of tea with the more drink. Some coffee or you know glass of cold water and just remind them that people are still thinking about them. This episode was produced by alex attack and edited by katie. Mingle owner voiced mimets interview. Thanks to charles means and delara chalik. This episode was made in collaboration with cornyn cultures. That's kernan with a k. It's podcast that makes audio stories like this one from the middle east and north africa when we come back and abandoned ship starts a chain of events that ends in a huge tragedy hiring this bring. what are you looking for because it feels like a unicorn. Well this is where ziprecruiter comes in. And now you can try ziprecruiter for free at ziprecruiter dot com slash nine nine whether you need to hire nurse nebraska or a podcast or in portland ziprecruiter's matching technology finds people with the right experience for your job and they invite the candidates to apply no wonder for to five employers. 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After arrived in beirut the ship was impounded by the lebanese poor is because basically had quite a lot of things wrong with it a few crew members have to stay on board because as you know as you mentioned in the story is not legal for seafarers to just get off the ships and leave whatever is on the ship like unattended or unmanned as they call it in the poor and so eventually ship's owner this russian guy called igor kukushkin. Dark stop replying to emails. Didn't answer phone calls as they do. Yeah as they do. His la halili heard in the story. Actually the seafarers end up sitting on that ship for something like ten months with all of that ammonium nitrate essentially on a floating bomb. God yeah and then. After a court case the ship's crew were eventually allowed to leave and they flew back home to ukraine which basically left lebanese authorities in charge of the dangerous cargo and it was moved into a hangar in the port so the cargo was moved. But what what happened to the actual ship itself. Yeah so the the ship. The ship just fell into disrepair like i stayed where it was in the poor and sank because as we mentioned in the story like ships need this. They need this kind of round. The clock labor force constantly maintain it to keep them in good shape. And if they don't have that they'll saint grady quickly. That's amazing. I didn't know that the war on like constant and unrelenting you mentioned it but like really just takes a few years in the ships. Go straight down. Yeah i had no. I had no idea about either so the ship is at the bottom of the board but all the explosive nitrate is in a hangar. Yeah just kept in a hangar. In the poor sat there basically seven years unattended. And i mean pretty much forgotten about except for a small number of poor poor officials port staff and there were warnings safe for it to just be sitting there in the state that it was in and warnings were constantly ignored by the authorities near and it was not safe at all. Much of beirut is shattered this morning by one of the most powerful peacetime explosions ever look closely. And you can see what happened. This is the port as a fire rages popping and sparking the flame swell to a noisy roar until the second last other angles. Show the black august. Fourth twenty twenty Small fiber cow in a hangar nearby. Where the ammonium nitrate was being stored made his way into the hanger and the trade caught fire and exploded. It was an incredibly powerful blast about two hundred people died and thousands more injured basically level. The whole part of the airport there were reports that the blast tremors were fell as far away as cypress. Which is about one hundred fifty miles away from beirut. While i mean who is incredibly awful and i was i guess. I didn't really know that started with an abandoned ship. I you know. I i heard about the ammonium nitrate stored. I knew that that was unsafe. I but i didn't know why. Yeah i mean. Obviously this is like a worst case scenario but i think it really does illustrate why port authorities don't want the to leave these ships on man's because then the shipping everything on it really does become their responsibility to deal with and i mean in this case like they did an awful job dealing with it but it was their responsibility in unless after the crew left. Yeah i mean. It has a whole new element to the consequence of this abandoned ship. Story that what's on the ship. You could be really dangerous. And it has to be dealt with those countries until you kind of understand their position a little bit more as to why they can't just take on whatever is left for them by some unscrupulous. Yeah yeah absolutely so after this. Beirut explosion did that change a little dynamics of abandoned ships it definitely brought a lot more attention to the plight of light other cruiser abandoned on ships and also just like the issue abandoned ships in general from what i can tell it hasn't led to any light material changes in legislation in lebanon or elsewhere in the middle east to kind of help stop abandoned ship cases before they happen. Thank you for bringing this story to us. Alex i really appreciate it. Thanks roman name. Present as what produces week by aleksei attack edited by katie. Mingle mix biomedica notre music by our director of sound. Sean row delaney always executive producer. Chris is the digital director. Whereas team is emmett. Fitzgerald joe rosenberg. 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The cure for burnout (hint: it isn't self-care) | Emily Nagoski and Amelia Nagoski

TED Talks Daily

19:30 min | 2 months ago

The cure for burnout (hint: it isn't self-care) | Emily Nagoski and Amelia Nagoski

"I'm elise hugh you're listening to. Ted talks daily today. We have a vital conversation about earn out in this conversation from our new series. How to deal with difficult feelings. Ted's curator khloe shasha brooks interviews authors and sisters emily and amelia goski to better understand the factors that lead to burn out so we can cope with uncomfortable feelings in a healthier way. There is so much good stuff in here in a year. We were all pushed to our limits. I want to send this episode to all my friends and you will too. There's another podcast. I think you'll love lincoln's. Hello monday with jesse. Hempel is a show about the changing nature of work and how that work is changing us. What does work to us. Should we love what we do. What does a career strategy look like these days. Anyway join jesse as she talks to luminaries legends and listeners about their career journeys and takeaways. We can apply to our own lives listening. Subscribe on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your favorite shows. I show people round dc antiquites. My guests engaged. I liked to sprinkle in a fun. Factor to next off. Dupont circle paul. Also here's a lifestyle tip for you. Try apple pay. You can now just tap with your phone or watch to get on the bus or train. All over the dc area as smart trip to the apple wallet than just tap to ride apple pay on iphone now arriving on metro. Let's dive right in. You co authored. A book called. Burn out the secret to unlocking the stress cycle and the inspiration for this book was actually based on personal experience that you had with burnout amelia. Can you tell us more about that. Experience well it began with me going to school while i was getting my doctorate. Musical arts in conducting. I ended up in the hospital and i had abdominal pain which they diagnosed as stress induced told me to go home and relax and in fact i had no idea what to do but luckily i have a sister who has a phd in health behavior. So when i'm in the hospital just in pain laying. They're not even really understanding. How i got there or why and i honestly didn't even believe that stress could cause physiological symptoms an. Emily said how did you not know that. I'm a conductor. And a singer. I have learned in my musical training to express my feelings with my body to use my body as a vehicle for expressing motion and it occurred to me that if it was true that i didn't just have those feelings on stage. I had them all the time high whole life and if that was true. Wow that was a lot of feeling. So i didn't even want to believe this was true but once. Emily brought me a huge stack of peer reviewed science. I couldn't deny anymore. Yes dress manifest in the body and can turn into symptoms of illness. So let's start with definitions. What are the three components of burnout. So according to the original technical definition from herbert fern burger in the nineteen seventies burnout which originally was inclusive. Only of the workplace has expanded now involves de personalization. Where you separate yourself emotionally from your work instead of investing yourself and feeling like it's meaningful decrease sense of accomplishment where you just keep working harder and harder for less and less sense that what you were doing is making any difference and emotional exhaustion. And wile everyone experiences all three of these factors over the forty years since this original formulation. It turns out that speaking for men. Burnout tends to manifest as a de personalization in particular and for women. Burnout tends to manifest as emotional exhaustion. So anyone can experience burnout. But your specific way of experiencing it is probably going to be different depending on who you are and the factors that lead to burn out are not just professional ones. They are parenting and social activism. And anything where you need to care. An invest where there are ongoing demands. That are uneatable expectations and unceasing demands. That is the formula no matter. What context is in for burnout. Your work is around the stress cycle. And how we can complete it. So will you talk a little bit about that. Oh yes this is my favorite part so the main thing people need to begin with is that there is a difference between your stress. Stores the things that cause your stress which is what a million was talking about The uneatable goals and expectations your family issues and money arguing stressors and then there's your stress was the physiological thing that happens in your body in response to any perceived threat and it's largely the same no matter what the threat is an evolutionary. We know the threat response as being the fight flight. Freeze response intended to help us run away from lyon. So when you're being chased by a lion across the savanna of africa what do you do. You run right. You use all this energy that happened in your body all this adrenaline and cortisol. Everybody system has been activated to help with this escape from the perceived threat your digestion and your immune system and your hormones. Everything is focused on this one goal including your cognition. Your problem solving is focused. Just on this one problem it will not let go because your life is at stake but you manage to get back to your village in the lion gives up and you jump up and down and shout and people come and listen to you. Tell the story. And y'all each other in the suns seems to shine brighter and that is the complete stress response cycle. It has a beginning when you perceive the threat a middle where you do something with your body and an end where your body receives the signal that it has escaped from this potential threat and your body is now is a safe place for you to be. Alas we live in a world where the behavior that deal with. Our stressors are no longer the behaviors that deal with the stress in our bodies. We are almost never chased by lions instead. Our stress ores are the capital t capital future our children or is like the classic example stress one when people have commutes. It's one of the most stressful parts of their lives and your body activates the same adrenaline and cortisol and digestion. immune system. and you finally get home right. You have dealt with your stress or do you suddenly jump up and down and feel grateful to be alive and the sun seems to shine brighter. No because you've dealt with stress or but that does not mean that you've dealt with the stress itself. This is an excellent. Because it means that you don't have to wait for your stress or to be gone before you can begin to feel better because you can deal with the stress while the is still exists. Good thing because most of our stressors are what are called chronic stressors. That are there day after day week after week year after year. And it are like okay. So how do i complete the stress response cycle and we have a list of like a dozen concrete specific evidence based ways to help people deal with the stress response cycle but just taking the example of a commute. You are you get out of your car. You get off the bus and your shoulders are trying to be your earrings and you're grumpy cranky and still thinking about the jerk. Who did i don't know what. And what you do is jumping jacks in your driveway or you go for a long walk around the block or you just tense every muscle in your body standing outside your apartment door holding your breath tense. Stance tents for a slow count attack. Even just that little bit of using your body is what communicates to your body that your body is now a safe place for you to be. You have to separate dealing with the stress from dealing with thing that causes the stress and this need to deal with the stress in a separate process from dealing with the things that cause your stress is why the doctor's telling me to relax was not going to be an effective means of recovering from out. I had to deal with the stress in my body. And if say let's say you get out of your car instead of doing jumping. Jacks you just say okay. I'm going to relax now. Relax now you relax not effective right. You've relaxed but you haven't. You haven't changed your body's physiological state into one of safety totally on first question from the audience. Okay from facebook someone asks. How do you know whether what you're experiencing is. Burn out or something else. Yeah ask a medical professional for sure. And there's a lot of overlap between burn out and lots of other experiences Including depression and anxiety and grief and rage and repressed rage. We've all got it. So our lay persons definition of burn out as you said that feeling of being overwhelmed and exhausted by everything you have to do while still worrying. They are not doing enough. If you feel like you are struggling even to get out of bed and get the basics done. That goes beyond burnout. Burnout is where you can show up for work. But you spend your whole day. Fantasizing about being at a different job is important to know that a burnout is not a medical diagnosis. It's not a mental illness. It's a condition related to overwhelming straps. So it's not like it puts you in this different state where you're going to be trapped and you have to have thirteen years of therapy and whatever it just means that you need to be completing your stress response cycles. Work burn out is just such an important thing to talk about. I think for so many. And i'm curious if we can focus on that for a moment like what are some of the earliest warning signs of professional burnout. Let's see there's two kinds of people. There's emily people who are aware of what's going on in their bodies at all times and if they have signs of burnout they notice it just right away because that's how they do and then there's people like me who never know what their body is experiencing. I didn't notice was burning out until i was literally in the emergency room but one of things that causes burnout is our inability to recognize the hard stuff. Welling up inside us and the solution is to be able to turn toward the difficult feelings with kindness and compassion. And say oh i feel stressed feel unreasonably angry right now. I'm so cranky. I wonder why that is and instead of just trying to tell yourself to relax. Ask that feeling. Why are you there what you need from me. What has to change one of the primary barriers to listening to your body is a fear of the uncomfortable feelings that are happening in your body. One of the things. I say over. And over we say it. Over and over and burnout. Is that feelings. Tunnels you have to go through the darkness to get to the light at the end right feelings are tunnels stress is a tunnel. You've got all the way through it. Not that the stress is bad for you with getting stuck in the middle. That is bad for you. Never having an opportunity to take your body through the cycle. One of the reasons why people don't do that is because they feel afraid of. They're uncomfortable experiences. When i first started learning this stuff explicitly. We grew up in a family. Where uncomfortable feelings were not allowed and the idea. That feelings were tunnels. I was just like. I don't think that's true. I'm pretty sure that uncomfortable feelings are caves with bats and rats and snakes and a river of poison. And if i begin to experience my uncomfortable feelings will be trapped forever in the dark with the rats and the bats. I began a practice of noticing when my body was experiencing a sensation allowing it to be an allowing it to move all the way through and as i practised that with gentle emotions i began to be able to practice it with more and more intense emotions both positive and negative intense emotions so the now when i'm confronted with a big difficult stuff. I trust that my body will go all the way through the feelings without Me being trapped in the dark with predators is sorta doing it twenty years after. Emily did but it's never recover. How can you talk to your manager or supervisor about the fact that you're experiencing burnout and get real support if you're in a workplace where you don't feel like you can say to your boss. My mammalian body is having mammalian needs. And i need to adjust my work situation to accommodate the fact that i live in a monkey suit. Note that we consult all the time with gigantic corporations that are making active efforts to incorporate acknowledging people's emotional and physical needs checking in at every meeting saying. Where are you asking people to become aware of and more clear and expressing a how they feel and promoting the idea. That managers should be ready to cope when they're supervise. E comes in and has a bunch of feelings that they need to process and move through so it exists. People are working on it. I feel optimistic. And i also know that. There's a lot of work places that are trapped in this sort of like industrial super patriarchal rabidly individualistic mindset. Where you just need to protect yourself against the toxic culture by creating a bubble of love at home where everyone in your house household cares for your well being as much as you care for. There's how can people who feel truly stuck take a first step towards wellness. And how do you define wellness to we define wellness as the freedom to oscillate through all the cycles of being human from effort to rest from autonomy to connection and we always say that the cure for burnout is not self care cannot be self care. how can you expected to self. Care your way out of burnet. You can't what you need is a bubble of love around you people who care about your being as much as you care about. There's who will turn toward you and say you need a break. I'm gonna help you with this. I'm going to step in in that way or even. Just give you fifteen minutes for you to yell about whatever the problems you feel at that moment and just be on your side and go. Yeah i can't believe that a new. I'm so on your side for fifteen minutes. Just that can give you enough of release to feel a little bit better to take one more step. The cure for burnout is not self care. It is all of us caring for each other. We can't do it alone. We need each other making that happen in real life is of course easier said than done and one of the things that is my little reminder to myself. Is that when i feel like. I need more grit. What i actually need is more help. And when i look at emilia's life. And i think she needs work. She needs more perseverance. You needs to work harder. What she actually needs is more kindness. That's the baseline culture change. That's going to end. Burn out forever and usually the next question people ask is. I don't have anyone like that in my life. I am the leader. I am the one who's doing all of the things and the solution for that is probably closer than you think. I mean i grew up in a household where feelings were like not allowed and we were not close our whole lives and then we started reading the research that said that connection and sharing support was the way out of burnout and we started trying and we broke down this thirty year barrier of you know societal family pressure not to like feel our feelings around each other and it turns out that if you feel like you're isolated there's probably someone on the other side of that wall it turns out who wants just as much as you to connect with someone else and we'd been isolated because we've been told that it's stronger to be independent. It's not true it's we're gonna healthier and stronger when we worked together. There's probably someone already waiting. Who also wants the kind of relationship that you are desiring just so nice to hear to the pandemic when we're all feeling so isolated but we have one final question. We'd like to bring up. Okay what can you do about burnett if you are a teacher where every day is filled with stressors. I taught school for five years. That says that's long. I made it. I burned out after four years. And then i pushed through one more year. If you have any possible means of reducing the evidence stressors by getting involved in administrative decisions. That's great but that's almost never the case. The thing number one is to complete stress response cycle. You can exercise if that works for you. A good night's sleep. We'll do it. How do i get a good night's sleep and i have to get up at five. Am you have to go to bed earlier. And that means that your whole family has to give you permission to go to bed earlier they have to cherish your sleep the way you cherish the. There's you can use your imagination and imagine yourself pummeling all of the stressors into the ground and you recover from that because your imagination doesn't know the difference between pummeling stresses on your nation versus pummeling them in real life and you surround yourself with a bubble of love other teachers who can support you until you. Yes you deserve care. You are valuable educated wonderful human being. You are not. Just you know darth vader dealing with these kids. You are a valuable person who deserves resources. Who deserves care who deserves love. Who deserves freedom to oscillate. Thank you both so much for joining us together and for teaching us about burnout in the stress cycle this has been really illuminated. So thanks for your time. Thank you so much thanks. Hey ted talks daily listeners. I'm adam grant. I hosted another podcast from the ted audio collective. It's called worklife. And it's about the science of making work not suck next time parts. You are exploration of anti-racism so it is fundamentally about support. Not much is going to change just because you bring people in the actually meet to support dan. We focus on what goes wrong and bias train and how to fix it. Find worklife on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen.

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The Might Less Be More? Edition

The Promised Podcast

1:29:40 hr | 7 months ago

The Might Less Be More? Edition

"This is to be one. This episode may contain explicit language to the promise. Podcast brought to you on t. v. One the voice of the city that is home of course to the tel aviv stock exchange which this week launched a new and innovative cannabis index aggregating nine companies that the stock exchange wrote in a press release quote are primarily engaged in the field of research cultivation sale or production and marketing of medical cannabis products the index will serve as a benchmark for active mutual funds. That offer exposure to this emerging and growing sector and quote among the companies on the index are intelligent cana which through its paramedical cosmetic subsidiary clinic. Anna is developing among other things. Cbd for dogs and cats which is kind of the also t coon alarm candidate is on the list who slogan is well repaired the world to kuna law means to repair the world and that is exactly what our mission statement is that is rami vardi. A co founder of taku lamb also on the index is together pharmaceuticals which invented cbd based treatments for epilepsy and panecasio who's kind snazzy is quote research develop repeat on the next two is uniform who according to their site alongside a traditional board of directors maintains an advisory board with a single member former prime minister. Ehud olmert now three years out of prison after serving time for corruption. And that's just a few of the companies. But i won't describe them all which i think would be a classic case of getting too far into the weeds as it were so instead. I'll just say we all grew up on the puckish advice that the way to make money in the market is to buy low and sell high and the cannabis index may just be the best way to do that and arguably nothing captures the the holy resides in the profane spirit of this city. We love so well tel aviv. Ofo better than an invitation to make money in companies making the lives of humans and other living things better through drugs and science just like we always knew they could be with us in the studio is a woman who's lovely prose to is forever a reminder that there is elegance and grace and almost all that goes on around us i refer of course. Oh and kaplan. Summer allison is written for politico. The new republic foreign policy vigilant. Post the jt. The forward and many other of your very best papers and magazines is a columnist for arts. You've heard on. Mpr pri in the bbc. And you've seen on. I twenty four television and al jazeera tv. You can meet more of your cabinet in some area. Needs these days by listening to host the are its weekly podcast. alison holds a neighbor world. Senator award for journalism recognizing excellence in diaspora reported and they. Simon rocked our award for excellence in covering zionism ali. I in israel alison. How are you doing. I'm feeling elegant and graceful. Thank you very much. Always seem elegant. Picture myself In a thira and of gown in the in the series that. I'm binging on netflix. Bridgeton if you've gotten into it you've never heard of it but it's a kiara and gown kind of shell total tiara and gallon kind of show. It's a it's a definite definite fantasy. i recommend it. Oh here here. i'm gonna look that up also with us in the t. l. v. one satellite studio in kfar. Saba is a man who knows more than a bit about repairing the world. that is his. Life's work i speak. Of course of don fetterman who is the director of the mariah funding israel and the director of the israel center for educational innovation. He's also the author of a new podcast of one man. Stage plays called fetterman one man. Show don how're you doing well. While tel aviv is getting high and run. Honor residents are watching romance novels a net flicks far saba was named number one in quality of life in israel is true it is oh how wonderful forum was laughing at that until you cry. People do condescend a little bit. Of course nobody find that done Only in runanga. Everyone else is looking for a house. Here that's three two as for me. My name is no ephron. And i don't mean to boast but in my inbox just yesterday i found an email with the subject line quote twenty twenty one colon the year of noah. It came from oetzi. And when i opened it said we see good things in store for you this year. So why not get into the swing of things starting day. One with such year of noah products of course as a sustainable felt mouse pad. And i know what you're thinking. You're thinking when you get right down to. It isn't every year the year of noah. And you make a good point still. I'm not bragging. That's not the way. I was raised but i think we can all agree that even more than normal twenty twenty one is bound to be the year of no this week. We have three topics of extreme importance. But first we have a matter that we're following with alert interest. Great concern is part of an occasional series. We call the premise. Podcast ponders the politics of pentameter and the use of the bard to advance a canard last week. The chair of the knesset corona virus committee. He fought shasha beaten announced that she was leaving the likud to join the new right-wing. Hope party where she would become. Don't sars number to an announcement that right away added five seats to the tally. New hope was showing in early polls. Shasha beaten is a popular politician. Mostly because as the head of the corona committee she overturned government decisions to close pools and gyms and stores in schools and even though her decisions were themselves overturned right back again by the government people came to see her as a straight shooter and someone fighting for the people trying to get to work and pay their bills and maybe grab a little exercise if they can. And who doesn't like a truth to power rebel. Also most everything about josh abi tone is wonderful. She grew up in the development town of kiryat shmona the daughter of a nurse from morocco and moshe feed a guy born in iraq who built up a bus company. She had a phd before she was thirty was deputy mayor of kyoto before he was thirty five and was a college vice president forty. It's partly because shasha tone has so much going on that folks and the likud were furious mad when she announced that she was switching parties and they insisted that she resigned right away. Shasha beaten refused on the grounds that she had been elected in this term and she would serve out. There are practical issues in play each sitting. Mk gets government allocated campaign funds when they run for the successive knesset. So if on stays and she'll have one point seven million shekels to use for new hopes campaign but if she quits now she'll be replaced and some other likud member. We'll get that cash lee cooed transportation minister miri regev tweeted quote. You've thought shasha beaten if you have a drop of integrity left resign. Immediately from connecticut and return the mandate to the national camp which you took for a ride for your own benefit a disgrace and when shasha baton refused the likud petitions something called the knesset house committee basically a rules and procedures committee to declare shasha beaten a quote unquote deserter which status would allow them to strip her of her likud campaign funding at the very least anyway. The committee met a few days ago. And because by then blue and was on the outs with the likud they supported chechen tone and she remains in the knesset with her one point seven million shekels in election funding which is when this happened. Uzi they on a likud. Backbencher angry by the outcome of the committee meeting convinced that chechen beaten had not gotten the come up and she deserves asked to be recognized by the chair leaned into the microphone and said quote. I would like to give some free literary advice to get on the of shasha zones new party that it was for matters such as these that shakespeare wrote in fellow i believe and then diane went onto quote not on alternate translation. I think of rabbani ios warning at the end of act one in fellow look to her more if thou has is to see. She has deceived her father. And may the shot a mile invoked up via gumbo which couplet was met by pandemonium in the committee with shasha be tone saying the volume clement. Actually came on the la. I have heard low things. But i must say that. I have never heard things as low as this. At this point mikhail cutler launch a religious blue and white. Mk screened uzi. Why are you referring to shakespeare. Why not refer to the woman who strays and you'll at least be using our own sources. The woman who strays as a reference to the book of numbers by bar chapter five verses twelve through sixteen about what to do with a wife who acts on faithfully to which topic an entire track date of the tomlin. My second sota is devoted later. Uzi dayan said quote. Someone wrote me and said on your life man. What a sexist remark. if that's how it was perceived. I really apologize and quote. And i know what you're thinking. That's a lousy apology. If that's how it was perceived blah blah blah blah blah. But i'd like to think the best of who was married to my favorite zoologist environmentalists tamar. Diane i adore her and she's lately been. The person who by force of character and charm willed into existence. The amazing new natural history museum at tel aviv university which is among other things. A brilliant polemic for sustainability and there ain't no one more feminists then tomorrow diane uzi on also mostly diane's nephew and yours on geffen's cousin so there's that he thought shasha zone for her part. Classically accepted the apology. And the matter seem to be over but all week. I've been thinking that there was an opportunity. Missed here and i can't get it out of my mind. Would it have hurt chubby tone to respond rather than with. I have never heard things as low as this. By saying with catherine from the taming of the shrew my tongue will tell the anger of my heart or else my heart concealing it will break. Would it have hurt. Shasha beaten to insist with don john and much ado about nothing. Let me be that. I am and seek not to alter me. Would it have hurt. Shasha be tone to say with polonius in hamlet this above all to be true and it must follow as the night the day thou cancer not be false to any man. Am i asking too much from shasha tone. I think not because truly. Now is the winter of our discontent. Elections are nine but a week and a day after the ides of march. But i'll stop. I'll stop because who knows better than me. That truly brevity is the soul of wit and that this is a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing. This is how safe. Because i am that idiot today. Three topics though. I a quick word. Because brevity is the soul of wit about the topics that we are not discussing deep pachyderms on the premises as it were which are the new parties on the left that were announced this week. We're hoping that more information will come out about them before we talk about them because sometimes it helps to know at least a little something something about that of which you speak so today. Three topics topic one d. r. for labor as labor party chair and minister of economy. Amir peretz announced this week. He will no longer had the party. Which must quote unquote this. Pulitzer prize worthy bit of understatement raises the question. Must it really or would it be better to press a pillow to its face and put it out of its misery. Topic to in seeking peace might less be more which is almost almost almost iambic to transmitter. I think in seeking peace might less be more. But i digress. Which i shouldn't do. Because remember brevity is the soul of wit as a think tank puts out a report called a new. Us agenda toward the israeli palestinian conflict. Which new agenda includes fewer glitzy international summits aiming to bring peace in our time and many more more modest steps to improve the lots mostly palestinians also of israelis and to build the foundation for a far off in the future two state solution. Is it an agenda with promise. We will ask and we will offer you. These three words as a hint of the answer. Tamara kaufman and you guessed it with this topic three. What's so wrong with. Law and liberty as israel now has up and running. Its own version of america's federalist society. What we call in hebrew a copy paste of the organization of conservative luminosity who masterminded the greatest legal revolution in the history of western liberal democracy creating the united states the most conservative supreme court in a century. Is that the kind of thing we want here. We'll ask what we ought to make that end for our most unreasonably generous patron supporters in our extra special special extra discussion. The link to which you can find in our show notes on your podcast or at patriotair slash promise. Podcast on the world wide web following the academy for the hebrew language is annual survey of the word of the year which includes the hebrew words for exponential lockdown isolation and back to our routine we will discuss our own choices for word of the year. But before we get to any of that. Listen to this. Know huge but decided that i show you granted to old you because that was the note came to stop in this spot the essence of existence. It surprised you didn't see that came from a distance. What looks different called out to show me that you missing from being we became best planes i gave my all to. You would be shopping walkman. Save your side to pass near light in moscow. That song is a million years. By ec black. Who started his life. As an american sunni muslim became an evangelical christian before becoming a baked chumash ultra orthodox jew. Who was mad about the discrimination. He and his kids met in israel so he met with the great lithuanian. Rabbi rabbi hyman yankee who told him that quote being black is your myla your advantage. Not yorkie sarin. You're disadvantage and quote will listen to black over the course of the hour because his music too is a myla so alison with hospitals full of covid. Patients is now the time finally to pull the plug and flat. Line the labor party. Ready to say qadesh. I am yes so late last week. minister of the economy amir peretz posted a long message on facebook that said among other things out of a sense of responsibility i bear. I announced that in the upcoming elections. I will not lead the labor party. And i will not head the list. Running for the knesset at this time. The labor party needs to undergo a renewal and to elect a new chair person and new leadership. Labor party is a movement that is one hundred years old. It is only natural that such a movement undergo crises and also escapes them. The labor party has the human resources. The values glorious youth movement a workers movement and settlement movement which are healthy political foundation for whomever leads the labor party in the future. We are the party that many citizens including those who do not vote for us know is a fundamental asset of the state of israel in which we all strive for an exemplary society. Based on the value of love thy neighbor as i self parrots post was both unsurprising and surprising. It was unsurprising because no poll in months has predicted that the labor party could even draw enough votes to get into the knesset on the next go round also parrots has declared that he sees himself as a candidate for president when ruby rivlin term ends in july. But it was surprising despite what it said about renewal that it seemed to offer the end of the labor party but did it. What exactly lies ahead for the labor party is rather up in the air. Longtime labor mk. Mira michaela is suing her party in order to force it to have internal elections for new leadership in which she would run to head the party and lead as she says back to its roots minister of social services. It's sexually parrots is number. Two guy hopes that such party committees as still exists will appoint him party head and he'll try to make a go of reviving the party but before the question of who should take over. The labor party is answered. There is a prior question that lots of people have been asking. Should the labor party even bothered to continue existing at all in one thousand ninety two year. Yitzhak rabin was elected as prime minister for a second time. The labor party won forty. Four knesset seats if elections were held tomorrow labor would win zero even if there were no minimum election threshold at all. Maybe voters have spoken. If kenny rogers right you gotta know one to hold them know enough oldham no end to walk away and nowhere to run so smart. He says smart he says smart. So maybe it's time for labor to fold those cards in and run. There are a lot of people who think so avon cavill who was a labor. Mk administer for over twenty. Three years from nineteen ninety-six to two thousand nineteen recently said quote. This is a party that lost its right to exist. What is there to renew. So that's a common view if you search twitter for the keywords labor party and right to exist you'll get hundreds and hundreds of tweets saying that it doesn't have any merav mythili who hopes to revive. The party had been asked on a popular morning. Drive time radio talk show here whether labor has a right to exist and she said it did but had a hard time explaining why when asked why bother wise. Try to save the labor party. She answered because it's a real thing with roots with content with an ideology that unfortunately over the past years too many times. The party hasn't acted according to its ideology but it is a real thing that is profoundly tied to the state of israel so she might be right in a way. The labor party has existed for fifty two years since three workers socialist parties joined together. But really really. Its roots reached directly back to pie. The party of the workers of the land of israel founded in nineteen thirty and before that to the young workers party that was founded in nineteen zero six labor and its precursors. Were responsible in part. At least for establishing much of what makes israel israel the labor union. That would seem the moshe. Wien the palmach haganah than the idea. The healthcare system the universities schools theaters museums shipping companies. Allow so much more. Have their roots there to shut down the party. That played so big part in all those things feels a little bit wrong somehow or at the very least a shame on the other hand. Maybe that's just the reason why. The party fails now because lots. And lots of israelis today resent the history that the labor party's associated with the great majority of us trace our own routes back to people who came after the state was already established from morocco iraq. Former soviet union ethiopia. Maybe even the united states dozens of other places and the absorption of most people's parents grandparents and great grandparents into this country did not go smoothly producing resentments that have survived generations and in some cases only grown with the years so maybe the labor party by its nature contained. Its own undoing. And it's time to. We've goodbye so should there be a do not resuscitate order on the labor party or should we hook up the machines and do our best done. Got feelings well. The labor party is dead because it doesn't stand for anything anymore because it hasn't articulated a vision for this country since its last visioned Two states for two peoples as the peace party didn't get implemented and then lost so much currency that many israelis consider that vision discredited. So if it's not the beast party and it has few working class voters and it's not the social democratic party that shelia kimovich tried to reshape it into and it's party institutions are either defunct or like the socialized medical healthcare system vastly improved by having to compete under capitalist market rules for customers And if it's not as leftist as committed to civil rights and equality as meretz's or the arab joint lists. Then what does it stand for. And as you mentioned it remains weighted down by the historic sense of grievances filed rightly and wrongly to my mind by many mizraki voters who didn't embrace the labor party. Even when they were he's rocking heading the party. Whether that's avi gaba by or i'm your parents or it's smoothly as they had once before the first time That amir parents headed the party. So you know a lot of the talk saying Labor has made a mistake over and over again of going into right wing governments. And that's why it's lost. Its following. I don't think that's the issue The only reason not to write the dnr order right now. Maybe when. I don't think this is strong enough is as you said. The labor party as a standing institution has party apparatus that some of the newcomers don't have You know and it has the keep it seem. And some of the voters will keep voting for labor until they die and it has youth movements connected to them so there's infrastructure. That's that that the other parties haven't built into some of them. Don't intend to some of them just report yesterday. So they don't have them yet. But maybe we'd like to co-opt these institutions that infrastructure is there and somebody should make use of it but i think the parties D and our order is in order. I will you put your finger on the reason why most likely the labor party will continue to go on at least in the immediate future. Which is that. It owns a lot of real estate at actually. Actually the labor party has something like one hundred and fifty million shekels worth of work real estate. that's not so liquid can immediately be turned into money. But but nobody's gonna just let that. I don't even know what would happen to it if the if the party dies. Which is an odd thing but to think about the more principled questions. So there's there the the practical things that the labor party has. But i'm trying to figure out the the question of that i think in this in an in kuwait way recommit fairly was getting at that there. Is this tradition with the party. Yes i'm sorry that was trying to get at That there is this tradition in the party and that all these institutions all this history and that that has value that has emotional value and it has political value. And i'm trying to figure out whether there's anything to do with that because like you said alison. It goes exactly in both ways. And that is that that is the labour. party's really only identifiable. Virtue aside from from its real estate holdings but it's also i think it's it's undoing the fact that so many people associated with a time about which they have bad memories and i think sorry to interrupt you but i do think that it could could have been saved or these resentments could have been. I don't know blunt it somehow. If the party had come out with some sort of official historic for its sins it has come out with two official historic apologies one by she moaned perez and one by barack who both literally said we apologize to team mistreated you but the thing about the party is that it's not really just that these things happened in the past the party still despite the fact that like you said dan has it has had musically leaders still has that at its core like it is capable of continually reproducing and at every year. There's like some really famous ashkenazi member of the labour party. Usually like an artist or you know film film director says oh still we have to admit the it's the europeans who brought everything good to this country and so they actually got managed to get that out of the membership of the labour party. But here's here's the last thing. I'll say because i'm talking too long but there are two examples. I know that seemed to me to be hugely successful. But they're weird and they're probably not applicable of people that have taken this old tradition and revived it in some way. That's interesting have you been to the either of you been to the atas store on allenby i always like. The great right is rarely clothing. Factory proletarian and clothing clothing factory. That was closed when no longer made sense to make textiles in israel was too expensive and everything was made in china or korea or wherever but they reopened about five or six years ago and they they have this this charming store where they're selling this old stuff and it's usually popular because people feel some connection to this to like simple proletarian fashions. That's one the more important example is there is an online newspaper called davar. Hod which is a which picks up from where the newspaper of the drew davar which closed i think in nineteen ninety-six. It might have been two thousand somewhere around there. It just shuttered didn't have enough readers and they reopened and it is my favorite newspaper in israel safe for macquarie show which is really my favorite. But it's a it's a wonderful newspaper that writes about labor issues at its young and it's vibrant and i wonder if there's not some way to inhabit some of these old things in a way that's not like that's not noxious. I mean maybe we. That's very charming. But it's not the thing that like mass political movements are made of not gonna turn like you know charming little things like that or that appear to appeal to a niche audience to a knesset party. That's going to cross the electoral threshold. Let alone become dominant. But or whatever translated into a vision for tomorrow. I mean this know. Twenty twenty one starting tomorrow and what is labour's vision for this country should go and how we deal with the schisms in the country and the distrust in the country. And that's what we're not hearing and that's what we haven't been hearing in you. I think there really is implicit an agenda and it's deeply shared by two people. We've mentioned it's ex smelly and may rob me highly though. A lot of people like to call a rough commute highly and Which is basically a vision of a european social democracy mixed with Kind of zionist old zionist iconography. That's like where they and i haven't arts. You can articulate it. But the leaders can't articulate circulated in in many years. That's that's the weakness. Can we talk about leadership for a minute. You know aside from oh has it lost its content etc. It's a what's mostly failed in. The labor party is a failure of leadership we just had. It's been happening over. Decades one person steps up to lead late lead labor and then they have different camps within the party. Some of them support the leader. Some of them are trying to sabotage leader etc and just in the last iteration. It was completely frustrating because there was a real opportunity to hand the party over to the new younger forward-looking generation. You had three candidates to lead the party right. We had parrots smoothly and stop chevallier shmole and stops had been able to get together and work together. Even with somebody like morale michaela could have been very forward thinking and it could have attracted. I think a lot of people who are looking for something new modern and combine that with the old and the traditional and i'll point a real First of all in the in the inability of the shmole in sheffield to put their egos aside and work together but then also a big shaqs at your parents for insisting on taking the part of You know for all. I know i know you have a whole long list of good things about him. But it's all backwards looking at. It's you know it it. It turned off the. I think the the younger people and it. It ruined any potential The the party had for a restarting for forward thinking vision. You know in service to To peres need to be a minister again from a one second time that alison right and hearing what you're saying a statement that in principle there is a way for the labor party successfully the go forward that if it did get young people to be leaders who worked together then it could succeed. There was and it missed. Its chance because when shellie mickey mortgage was heading it and she brought all these newcomers intuit shift gears and the smoothies in you know in the aftermath of the social protests of two thousand and eleven. There was really a moment there was a wave. There was a potential to translate that social protest energy into a renewal of the of the labor party and And it just it fell down. And i think you know it fell down Unfortunately because of personal egos personal ambitions an inability to sort of for that group that generational group to get together and you know take all their little fingers and put them into a fist in which they could've punched forward right and part of what we saw was that you know i'm your parents went in with With gesher in early levy advocacy's which turned out to be disastrous and that you know kind of wrote the epitaph for the party and so now whose left standing is it's smoothly and mirow mickael early. And they're not together you know. She's not in the party anymore. she is in the. She's she's into the government. Look i i. Just i just think these are. These are good people. I like all of them And obviously everyone needs how at least put on the face of a united front even if like so many politicians behind the scenes. They are less united and they weren't able to do that. And maybe they'll find new political homes because there's new entities forming every day this week practically So i you know. I i think. The labor party served its historic mission. It doesn't have to be re conceived now. And i don't see that happening and i don't see these people necessarily as being the ones who are capable of that though all of them have potential to contribute and i've already contributed so i hope they do find other political homes. I think we should all go. Theater store on allenby bias. Some new pants shirts. Those suckers pants costs five hundred. Shekels it's crazy but they look like They cost nothing though their new to this new role looking for the rust down to shop with davis constantly tried to dodge. The industry is bush. Playoff saying conscious. I say that it's been on. Had which from seattle the rainy city in jerusalem golden cd that was conquered motherland double. Don't play for the took. A regal bit of traditional custovic music is motherland bounced by nissan black. And now it is time for our second discussion. So don in three weeks. There'll be a new president and a new administration in washington. Is it time for america to rethink its role in promoting peace over here. Well a dc. think tank. Name the center for american security as lately convened a form of think tank university types to frame what they call a new us agenda toward the israeli palestinian conflict. They've now published their conclusions. Written by ilan goldenberg a senior fellow at the center and former chief of staff for the state department team that supported john kerry's efforts secretary of state to jump start negotiations between palestinians and israelis along with michael cop. Low the policy director of the israel policy forum and tamara cofman. Witty's a senior fellow at brookings center for middle east policy former deputy assistant secretary of state for near eastern affairs and the promise podcast candidate for a senior cabinet post. The report says that america's got to change course in how it approaches the palestinian israeli conflict. Not only from the trump kushner approach of giving the palestinians a band to stand state and calling the deal of the century but also from that of generations of republican and democratic administrations. And they're high profile diplomatic initiatives that aim for a permanent agreement in which the united states was the central mediator decades swinging for the fences have produced with after with and done little to improve the freedom prosperity and security of all people living between the mediterranean sea and the jordan river. That last bit was a quote it is time for a new approach that incorporates into diplomacy the brilliant insight that ludwig mies van der rohe had about our tech sure sometimes less is more what this means is instead of trying to cajole or strong arm palestinian and israeli leaders at a summit america should do the less flashy work of improving the conditions under which palestinians and israelis live today in ways that increase the plausibility of an eventual two state solution and also restore some of america's diminished credibility in the eyes of palestinians. Practically this means that the united states will take immediate steps to address the humanitarian and economic challenges facing the west bank east jerusalem and gaza. Own rush should be refunded. America should support economic development in. Gaza is freedom of guven for palestinians and for goods in and out of the territories including gaza and in and out of israel for those who need to come into israel to earn a living. The us should pressure israel not to expand settlements or build roads in occupied territories. Especially those that would likely be in. Palestine wants that state is negotiated into existence. The us should also pressure israel to stop demolishing houses of the families of terrorists and at the same time. The us should pressure palestinians to stop paying monthly stipends to the families of terrorists a practice that many israelis find outrageous along with these things and the report describes many more steps like them. According to goldenberg cop low end kaufman. Witty's america should change how it manages and implements its policies towards israelis and palestinians rather than being managed by the top echelon the secretary of state in the president a more work today and semi permanent entity including personnel from different government agencies ought to be established to oversee things. The great sociologist max. Vaber wrote proper government always proceeds from a charismatic stage to a bureaucratic stage from the prophets to the priests. This is what the cna 's report advocates for american policy towards us along with a shift from a grand gesture deal of the century sort of mindset to a more incremental one. So what do you make of this approach. Is this what we need. What is its impact likely to be Including within israel and among political parties and in our public opinion. Allison what do you think. Well i mean it's not very profound but my reaction to it is kind of like. Yeah obviously all of these things Done i guess the difference or implying. I mean in a lot of them you know have been done in past administrations so i guess The difference between the what the traditional and this is to have it done with less. I don't know fanfare et cetera. You know the the the settlement Freezes that are proposed or slowing down. You know shouldn't be sort of declared at the top and just kind of like quietly implemented. Though i don't know you know in this day of media. Even the smallest things are going to smallest changes or smallest policies are going to bubble up through twitter and then through the media and then the top officials are going to be asked to a reactor respond to him so it seems kind of hard for the stuff to to happen sort of quietly and subtly in the bureaucracy without Without it happening but just my last comment is that it just almost seems like a mirror. Image of the right wing settler poached like quietly facts on the ground. You know build a little here you know. Take it day by day. Step by step and And they're sort of Indicating that that should be happening also on the other side instead of Only trying to move towards something when you've got sort of a big initiative Announced one of the insights. This report that that's struck me. Made me think and immediately changed the way that i think about this whole matter is that essentially. They're saying that. These these big efforts like a peace initiative where the secretary of state is and flies back and forth or has an emissary who is working to try to create a situation where the leaders of of of the palestinians and the leaders of the israelis will meet together to negotiate either already begin by negotiating a final arrangement between the two peoples or to try to create conditions. That would eventually allow to that all of that. Which seems to be so positive actually can be part of the problem actually is negative and i assume that it is because it diverts attention from doing things that really matter and it also probably gets in the way of doing the things that would be necessary in order for such thing eventually to succeed as well as the fact that each failure and most of these things lead to failure has a dampening effect and makes people feel more despairing about the possibility of ever reaching peace. So then the idea is okay. Let's not have the secretary of state say a whole hell of a lot about peace. Between palestinians and israelis. Let's just have the people in the ministries in the departments in america working to try to make things better in the hopes that some future secretary of state you know eight years twelve years sixteen years twenty years from now will be able to successfully be part of a process that actually works and the one hand that's kind of depressing on the other hand. It's kind of encouraging don. What did you think well. You're asking myself whether this approach is more realistic. And if it has more chances of success than what's been tried in the past and so look the obvious thing like you said alison is that there is so much that we can do to relieve the misery of palestinians in the west bank and gaza that we don't do simply because we're stronger than they are and we don't have to and sometimes you're abusing them deliberately So you know i obviously. They're living conditions especially in. Gaza are an abomination and we share at least half the responsibility for that and if we had any sense of decency we would welcome such an initiative But you know there are several problems and this is where. I wonder if it actually is any more realistic than the swing for the fences. Approach you know. On the one hand it would kind of make the us a subcontractor of the occupation And i'm concerned the palestinians. We'll see this is headed that work well because they'll say instead of trying to resolve the conflict and giving you a state which is what the palestinian you're asking for We'll say we'll try to easier conditions. you know. And that will to the palestinians. I think be perceived as trying to appease israel once again. Who is the stronger party in this conflict and Set up conditions for what is rarely talk about some kind of limited autonomy but not estates. I'm not sure. What the incentive of the palestinians to agree to this would be other than yes. The average palestinian would like to have their life improved but the leadership wants to have a country with one of the three legs in the tripos. That makes up. This report is insisting that the united states supports a two state solution making it clear to the parties that the united states supports a two state solution and that its efforts now are all in the hopes of making more plausible associated. States always has supported to still saying that it's not. I don't think that the palestinians would perceive it as a stepping back from a commitment to a two state solution including you to a palestinian state because part of what the the people who are at this report say explicitly is that in order to be effective even on the ground. We have to make clear that this is our vision for the long run. Well look i mean american administrations and the outgoing administrations obviously the most extreme example But american administrations have not been willing to strong arm. The israeli government Into this issue we've tried to. They've tried to mediate several times and it has not succeeded I'm not sure what. The incentive is for israelis either other than those of us who are already converted other than those of us are already morally troubled by what's going on her believe. There should be a palestinian state because we've had twelve years of managing the conflict during which time Terrorist attacks in israeli casualties are way way down and most israelis prefer not to think about the occupation. And just go. Let's not let sleeping dogs lie. I don't wanna take a risk. I don't wanna do anything. That is gonna endanger me or my family so i while i agree there is so much to do and maybe this approach would actually improve. Indians lives more if if the sides signed onto it I don't to sign onto it. Either we're talking about an about A proposal for american foreign policy. America certainly has enough a enough ways to influence israelis that they can be quite confident that they can exert pressure about these armies points. That's what any instance what the proposal is saying it's not i don't think the proposal is saying that there that there should be anything weaker about america's approach. I think that it. I think it's just saying there should be something that's less flashy that the efforts a serious efforts including strong arming efforts. Strong of the israelis a little bit of the palestinians should should be done quietly about practical things and there's every reason to think that america can can influence the biden administration will have great influence in jerusalem. How could it not well because the because these rarely leadership if it remains the same as it is now will scream bloody murder and will rile up all their in jellico supporters and launch a campaign against the biden administration just like they launched a campaign against the obama administration. I think that's that's why not so. I'm just. I'm not saying it isn't the right. It isn't a right direction and a healthier direction and the united states. I mean i don't know that re constantly doing is the right solution either because again it seems like we're going back to things that haven't worked in the past. Yes usually they tried to resolve the conflict With america everyone headed for the nobel peace prize and even though some them got the nobel peace prize already We're not in a good situation at the end of the day. I wish this could work. I'm not sure that it can work. I mean also you know this. These are long reports. I take a long time to develop so it doesn't include. What dynamic will be created if any on what the trump administration did by thinking completely out of the box and And starting these initiatives That lead to normalization with a lot of countries in the arab world who presumably because of their wealth have a lot of influence over the over the palestinians. so it's kind of odd to look at an approach that kind of looks at america israel and the palestinians in a vacuum. When now we've got new players in the game which may be Could lead to some new new steps in new ways of thinking. I mean it again like my reaction was like of course key lou. Da like this is what this is what should be done all the time but But you have to wonder if now that we've got discern dynamic going which you know you have to hate to handle into jared kushner but this was kind of his baby Now that we've got these These new players in the game. Maybe we can start thinking about Some things that would enhance this approach. That's laid out in the report. Reporters once asked elsa. Einstein albert einstein's wife whether she understood his theory of relativity and she said frankly. I don't really but i know albert and he says it's true. I believe that's how i feel about this. I know tamara coffin with. If she says it's i'll go with it. Now listen to this. This is michelle. Come take the be all. See what i see on. You gotta do is take a look forward. Look up your hand say thank you smash get. Put him up high value every in place. Paul racing the worst pressure my face today with the from mvp screen you'll mccain sure mom ashamed that's miller two point oh by nissan black featuring god elba's and now it's time for our third discussion which we are calling what's so wrong with law and liberty and here's why if someone were to ask me to name the most effective ngo. I know anywhere anytime. Alison asked me that. What's the most effective ngo anywhere anytime not funny. You should ask that. I think that my answer has to be the federalist society. It started back in nineteen eighty two by some law students at yale harvard and the university of chicago who were mad that most of the professors were progressives and most everything they learned was from a progressive perspective aim was to put judicial conservatism on the map by creating a place for conservatives to me than to exchange ideas by writing articles and books that reflected their worldview by creating law school syllabi. That would put views in front of students and by advancing judges who saw the world just like they did. They created journal. They set up chapters. In two hundred law schools. They organize symposia and continuing legal education. They sponsored course development. They put together a list of judges and potential judges who shared their worldview kind of a good housekeeping seal of approval for conservative judges that basically became a catalogue from which conservative president shop for their federal bench and supreme court appointees and boy has that made a difference. Forty three fifty one of president. Trump's appellate court nominees came from that list. Six of the nine sitting supreme court justices in america are members of the federal society trump. Promise before he was elected that he would not even consider any candidate for the court who was not approved by the federalist society which is not too shabby for an ngo started by a bunch of poindexter students. And i mentioned all this because lately a group inspired by the federal society. That's what they say. Mindfully and carefully patterned after the federalist society has been started up here in israel. It's called the israel law and liberty forum and its website says right at the top quote inspired by the federalist society and quote. It also says quote. The forum advances a conservative legal worldview based on four core principles the separation of power judicial restraint individual liberty and limited government. We believe that the state exists to preserve freedom that the separation of powers is central to the functioning of democracy and that it is the province and duty of the judiciary to say what the law is not what it ought to be end quote to spread these beliefs. The former is set up chapters and all the law schools which attract like minded students since sponsored debates and discussions about what the courts ought to be like the forum sponsors public events outside of law schools. It's got a magazine has got podcasts. It publishes original and translated texts on conservative legal theory and it encourages law professors to use all of these materials in their courses and it sponsors. They subsidize summer school. What they call a seminar for top flight israeli law students it also hopes to be kind of social club or guild for what it hopes will be growing cadre of conservative lawyers and judges who will in the future being easily identifiable pool from which conservative ministers of justice can pick future candidates for the bench including the supreme court just like the federalist society. Now i i learned about the israel law and liberty forum from a long and fascinating article a couple of weeks back in arts magazine headlined and american right wing organization is working to fashion. The image of the legal system in israel and quote the organization in question is the tikva fund. Which is in fact right wing. It's a right wing. American ngo and it does support the law and liberty forum. The graphic accompanying the haaretz. Article is a conspiracy theorist cork board with photos of right wingers from america and israel connected by a tangle of yarn what is sometimes called detectives crazy board and the article is written with the urgency of a guy in a bar poking you in the chest over and over as he tells you how george soros the rand corporation and bill gates are implanting chips in your vaccines sheep oil but the simple facts are probably not disputed by anyone. Conservatives are playing a long game to change the courts by bringing law students around to their way of seeing the world and by bringing together a cadre of conservative judges jurists the best of whom they hope. We'll find their way onto the supreme court. So my question about all this is what should we make of it. I mean after all that has happened. I still believe in the value of marketplace of ideas and the israel law and liberty forum is all about expanding the marketplace of ideas in their direction of course but still expanding it. And i know that if they're successful the country will be less like what i wanted to be like and what it is like today. So allison what should i make these people. Well first of all they're not news to me My husband's a law professor. I attend with him. Because i like the hotels the The annual public law conference allot. What no not the one in a lot no. It's it's less fancy at tends to be like at Dan carmel in the haifa. Whatever because they have a lot of fancy judges coming in the judges. Don't wanna schlep all the way down to To allow that used to be in the dead sea. So you get to see. Supreme court judges walking around in literally in robes like in their bathrobes. But i digress. So you know the. They're not new but now that they're getting this big push in support in funding. I mean i don't see how you can Vigorously defend the existence of the new israel fund. And having you know wealthy left wing liberal people in america push their agenda and try to create the kind of israel. They want to see the kind of legal system. They wanna see the kind of politics they want to see. And then say oh no when it comes from the other side those kind of ngos you know. We don't like them. At least this one appears to be again above board and people are out there. Doing what they're doing i can. I can get with that much more. That i can get with Shadowy darkish money organizations like mt or to Which which do you know a lot more nasty things and a lot more not above board or below board. Can i just inject my personal connection to the federal society. Sure my dad's Mentor was dr paul calabresi so steven. Calabresi who founded the federal society at yale co founded. The federal society at yale went to my high school I grew up with him and wonderful Friends with the family and And hung out his uncle is what's conservative. Little high school kid. Not that. I knew. I didn't know him that. Well he was a little older than me. his uncle though is guido calabresi who's the storied Former dean of the law school. They are very typical italian. Liberal ish family so kind of i don't know he's kind of a black cheaper odds etc he clerked for bork Cetera in one way. Like i'm obviously On the other side ideologically. But i'm kind of proud at how How far he's come in and what he's created you know calabrese is the best thing ever. It's like the best thing ever. And and you can go into whole thing about their their jewish lineage in in italy even though they're not a jewish family so i take it. You love these guys to. Well i have a. I have a different perspective on this. I mean i'll start by saying. Obviously i believe in the marketplace of ideas and freedom of speech as well and i think that is crucial. And there's nothing wrong with a group promoting conservative ideas in the legal system But you know that that cork board in the graphic. They're not ours is a real thing and these guys are connected to the forum which has bragged that they run. The knesset which by the way does not does not have transparency does not expose its sources of funding and by the way they're funding wildly dwarfs the funding that the new israel fund has been. The fun has actually very little money that it's giving out so you know this is this is not. It's not Leveling the playing field. It's tilting in a weird direction because if you look deeper into what these organizations that are about I mean i know they act particularly therefore principles and their website which you mentioned but in practice. This is all part of a weird alliance between libertarian ideas and the religious jewish camp and its jewish. Supremacist Incarnation to m- to my mind it's it's very strange. Actually what's going on here trying to bring these ideas to israel I think you know. They're they're claiming if the as a federal society did that Most of the legal community in the country is progressive. Which i think is is true anymore but if it is the case then all those folks ought to be getting organized on their side as well to be lobbying for their vision of the world and and that i think is legitimate. But you know you look at the folks that I don't know if the forum but the co helped form which is which is again. The these guys are working together you know. They're the ones promoting of taliban. I l educate get on sar. These folks have a vision of israel. That i don't like at all And i think we do have to be very wary of what's going on and they have tremendous financial resources and we had a similar conversation. Wasn't there was a big conservatives conference member sure it's the same people same people say you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out Where their money comes from. It's the same group of families in new york the the the bernstein's and roger her dog and In those guys Coming from the same money to fund co hell the second fair but the others are not. I mean you have to figure that out and they don't acknowledge that. Yeah so it's it's exactly same thing i mean it is. A foreign transplant are trying to transplant these ideas and they've got some sort of willing participants in the at check heads in the world of the world. Who are you know opening up and trying to mainstream these ideas into the israeli dna. We'll see because Religious national camp. That's what i don't understand. I don't know exactly what you're referring to i. I ve the nation state law the week watching videos that these people put out in their hours and hours and hours of them. Basically have you know debates and things that they had a public events and lectures and whatnot. And i disagreed with most everything that was said in an official capacity. The debates really. Did i think honestly present different sides of the issues but i loved what they were saying. It seemed like it seemed intellectually vigorous and i enjoyed watching them and i found it challenging and so the city. But it's too it's too it's kind of a to face thing going i think yes. There's those things promoting open debate about crucial issues and that's not just legitimate but praiseworthy and the other hand as you said before. The strategy is to get judges in positions. Share your views so that when you pass. Legislation at the forum was behind the nation state law. The you have judges who were there. So that when there are challenges to those laws. Those challenge isn't that sept isn't that what doing politics is. I mean the question is do. We have a complaint that they're doing politics potentially effectively. Which is the complaint and a lot of people against the federalist department is them them for being so successful. But i sort of think that they their role model for me in some way and we need to be just as effective as they are sure but if they're going to demand transparency and scream about george soros or anybody else there fantasizing that used to watching videos. Were not the people behind this. The the like fresh-faced students who were arguing with vigour and vast intelligence a conservative point of view. That i disagree with on these videos. Were not saying anything about george soros and i don't even think they were thinking anything about george soros 'cause you're seeing this in isolation i'm saying you're looking at one arm of this operation and ignoring the rest of it. I i'm right. I'm asking about this particular thing re remember. It's being run mostly by law students and whatever so so. Yeah that's money from the foundation and so you can have your whatever criticisms you have a ticket foundation. That's fine but i don't necessarily think that it immediately carries over in our judgment of what these what these people running. This particular operation are doing these law students and their teachers who support them as well said several times that's completely legitimate and praiseworthy but the other side of what this is about is getting judges and position just like in the supreme court. But what's wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that if you have total transparency and if you're above board and you know they're you know what's wrong with it is we have a nation state law which has redefined the character of this country in a disastrous way and these are the folks trying to put the judges in position to make sure that law will never be overturned. I just wanted to say that it's interesting that You know until now people who are unhappy with the liberal bent of the courts have their strategy has been okay so let's put in legislation that reduces the power of the courts and makes it weaker in the face of the legislature. So given that there's going to be a group of people who are unhappy with our liberal quote unquote court decisions. Would you rather that they lobby to weaken the courts. Or would you rather that they do this. Take this strategy and try to reveal the keep the court. Keep the court's power and fill it with people who Who think the way that they do. But i think they're doing both are lobbying to weaken the courts and to fill up the courts with people that they have their worldview. And look again. This is a country talking about are you. Are you talking about the people that were actually talking about in this particular organization or are you talking about. Don't said all along. i don't think you can isolate this. This is one arm of a bigger operation. Staging debates is wonderful. That's great liberty forum. You just don't like the people that give them money. No i'm saying they're working with the cohill at form and they're working to working to position judges to protect a vision of this country. Which first of all. I don't agree with. But also i think is very odd. 'cause wh why would israel adopt libertarian. Values is that that is unbelievably far into this country. And we don't have a constitution so if you're trying to prevent judicial activism you're actually trying to protect the status quo which i think is not a good argument that an idea is foreign to this country. I think is of is a problematic argument. Is somebody who for twenty five years statement right. Well no this country country but in fact after twenty five years of people hearing people say that about environmentalism than i. I am not positively disposed to that argument. I think that people have a right to believe what they believe in to try to persuade other people here to do it. And if if the should if the ideas come from europe or if they come from america or if they come from china then that's fine. It's the with massive massive funding marketplaces. I know transparency. this is not saying. let's let's all debate and we'll hear all sides it's like we are gonna come in as a steamroller and set up an operation over many years and try to take control to implement our ideas which say these videos because you would get a very different view you have this like image of you know the the boogeyman evil rich of your. I'm whatever towards her very closely. And i think this is not the forum thing they're working there are they're working yacht. You sound so much like one of those right wing. People say all the left wingers are all the same. They're all george soros. You just sound like that. It's just an issue. It's an issue of proportion because in principle you can take organizations like i. Don't you know on the on the far left. Whatever the lower some of the organizations funded by the The new israel funds. What if you had you know people of the of the stature of the eh bank account that you've got On the defense side you know putting it into the Into the left would you say oh well so the principle is wrong because the amount of money earmarked to do is going to be damaging is is ultimately the vision. I don't want in this country. And i'm saying that if if they want if they're the same people attacking the left for transparency over the left is incredibly transparent evasively transparent as well. They're not and i see this as one arm of the forum. Yes some of their activities are great. And i think that's what you're responding you don't see themselves as one arm of the coa fly again. That's sorta a little bit conspiratorial one. It's the same board members and it's the same money if they are an arm. You know the same politician. Yeah i is it the same board members in the same i. It just seems as though people ought to be able to take money from who where they can get it and then advance their agenda and dry youth my red thread in order to show you that that it is when you get to the money when you get to the money part. It's a lot of the same money. No that doesn't surprise me at all but then their funding the same politicians in the same policies again. I'm not i just. I said ten times. That many of their activities are praiseworthy. I don't know how many times i can say it. And i'm in favor of marketplace of ideas and freedom of speech and yes our sides should learn from them if we think these are the wrong ideas and promote our ideas as effectively as they do all agree with all of that. I'm not saying they should be illegal. Don't yeah yeah masato for the thanks. Jen jazzmen honey. Bee increasing the streets here but we know like piece we just fifty nine ninety nine prime big how come down from the sky to the crap out of an open get sixteen sweet too fast for a free running down. How we do saw is the haver song by leasing black. You can find him in all the places and now it's time for our country segment. This is the part of the show in which each of us described on the might have surprised amused delighted or enchanted in source. Older me even flu as we wended our way through our world over the last little while don what is your what a country both. Israel's locked down looming we had to figure out our strategy for round three. Like many other israelis we cross referenced remaining days before the lockdown was to take effect with time sensitive events using gift cards with approaching expiration dates. Seeing our sunday road at the tech. Neon goes straight from lockdown into final exams. A month during which students disappear from the site of the world an upcoming life cycle events that might need to be rescheduled the last of which required ignoring the illogic of squeezing and family gatherings before a national quarantine intended to prevent families from gathering killing three birds with one stone. We decided to celebrate my father-in-law's eighty four th birthday earlier than planned and gathered our son into the bosom of cross uva for twenty seven hour lightning visit from haifa. So he could take part. We used up our gift cards presence for sabatino and all right also and boots. Shoes and pants chiraghuddin. My on anna basketball yes solo. Sports are permitted and won a nobody. Games of horse should qualify. We would meet at my brother-in-law's spacious apartment opening onto their huge balcony windows and doors flung open for ventilation masks on fray socially distance celebration. The theme of the birthday gathering suggested itself when the queen's gambit checkmate at our extended family by becoming the first series my father-in-law watched with his new netflix subscription. This made sense because my father in law is hsa fanatic. every friday. for thirty years he has played at his chess club in tel aviv. As part of the chestnuts twelve buddies including was a retired professor of genetics of the poet and humorous uram to harlem level a philosophy professor to engineers and others and to that the fano has been playing chess online with competitors across the globe from the time the internet was invented so she ran my on made a chessboard. Birthday cake consisting of three levels. The base was cubes of chocolate and vanilla cake laid out as a chessboard level to were elites irresistible until midnight cookies. Essentially a a petty bore with dark chocolate or white chocolate chocolate bar pasted on top of it. And as if that wasn't enough they used molds to create chess pieces out of solid white chocolate and dark chocolate which they stood up on top of the cake. And if that wasn't enough. They found a black and white kendall contraption that spun around and play the song we couldn't here because we were seeing high yum yum. Let it today. is your birthday. The israeli alternative. Happy birthday to you. Know to warm up about morning uneven. I played our first game of chess since. I taught me how to play when he was a small child. So inspiring him that we have never played another game until this week. Neither of us know any chess strategy. Just the basic rules and how the players move in other words. We play chess. Like it's stratego. Except you see the pieces and cancer around your king with bombs which means that. Instead of strategy are games are a war of attrition none more so than the chabad morning battle which ended with only the two kings left on the board destined to chase each other around for eternity at the afternoon party. We set up three chessboards. Socially distance from one another including my childhood set of roman figures complete with cavalry and emperor. The felt line cardboard lining with fitted cutouts to protect the pieces in storage still intact. Connote took the center position and dispensed and how to play properly for the rest of the afternoon. In even i engaged in a rematch. Trying not very successfully to be more attentive. This time to see the entire board to not miss obvious threats to juggle multiple scenarios while thinking several steps ahead more than once. I had cornered at least in my mind but then he made none of the moves. I had willed him to make or more accurately he made moves. While my cl- carefully crafted ruses would have required that. He skipped several times in a row from me to succeed. Which as you know from the queen's gambit or perhaps from your first game Allowed so he beat me fair and square but the highlight of the day was watching casino. Construct his grandchildren on precisely the elements lacking in our game openings positioning to take command of the center of the board tactics and strategy. You know chess. So sabatino won the day and alaska of only. I've only. I could have concluded this country on an up note on this last day of a terrible year but twenty twenty. One was not done with us just two days after our chest. Birthday celebration. my father-in-law's ninety-year-old beloved sister his older sister estela it's passed away. She was his only sibling. She lived on moshav. Neil on the way to the connecticut and way back when their backyard extended to orchards and pasture for their cows and horses. She was in palma medic at age. Sixteen a kindergarten teacher for generations of young children and then a supervisor and leading advocate for preschool special education. A wife a mother. A grandmother a great grandmother sister. She left us peacefully in her sleep. And so with all of our plans to out. With the lockdown an unanticipated tragedy brought the extended family together on tuesday to the house esser lived in for the past seventy years and up to the cemetery on the hill looking out over the l. valley and up has the hidden key narrow to the golan heights and the bus shan mountains. So that together. We could say goodbye many adventures before during and after israel's war of independence. Well that's another story. he borough. Allison what is your country. So it all feel so simple as soon as israel's vaccines against covid nineteen arrived in their deep freeze and we're ready to go and after they were already being administered at hospitals to medical staff and making their way to nursing homes israelis over sixty began receiving text messages on their smartphones from their government funded. Hmo's they were invited to make appointments to get their first dose of pfizer vaccines never before had so many of my peer group in their fifties long to be sixty years old all of a sudden highs and how we envied those who had crossed the threshold to sixty had we ever before. Will we ever again wish we were a few years older. Probably not my eighty something in laws. Because they are efficient that way took advantage and called up and got vaccinated on the very first day. They were eligible to get the shot. A sigh of relief is going through the whole family at the hope of reviving large family gatherings now all of this started just as my husband turned fifty. Nine years. old bummer right. But he is lucky enough to have diabetes and heart issues again. Who would ever wish for such things right. So we knew he would be getting the message soon. And indeed while the over-sixties we're still in the thick of vaccination. He got his hoped for message on his phone. As did my friends who are in their fifties and our immune compromise cancer survivors and have other pre existing conditions so my husband was able to make vaccine appointment for get this the very same day. He got the message if he was willing to drive to tel aviv. To get it done. It was a short drive. So of course he did. I immediately decided to accompany him out of a little bit of hope. Because i've been hearing a lot of anecdotal evidence of accompanying spouses or middle aged children. The elderly who are coming along being given vaccines even if they don't meet the exact criteria because why not you're here right so i was also very curious to see how the whole system worked so as i said it was crazy simple. We drove to a house. Schlomo the big basketball stadium where how pulled tel aviv. Plays and we're big events are held Around the size of the building marked areas where each hmo is giving out the vaccines to their customers. Mcabe colleague immu headed there was a fourth hmo administering in the nearby tel aviv fairground center the exhibition center so they had all basically replicated their offices. There you had your reception desk. You had a machine to scan your magnetic card with all your information on it and there are about twelve to fourteen nurses stations where people were being called one by one with a loudspeaker for shot outside and inside. There were socially distanced plastic chairs where people needed to wait fifteen minutes afterwards. So i tried using my best super polite american demeanor. I asked if maybe i could get a shot to. They said no the guy manning the line he actually had a tag with his title which was line manager so. His job was basically fulltime wrangling unruly folks without an appointment who wanted to get shots. He was keeping a handwritten list of people who he said. You can come back at nine pm. The end of the vaccinating day and you could get a shot without an appointment because they don't want to throw any vaccine away they didn't want to go to waste so that was a very clever way of taking care of those who might have their appointments in a few days are in a week but who are really trying to move themselves up the line and really wanted to get there now. He warned me that. Even if i did show up at the end of the day those over sixty on his handwritten list would go to the front so yeah. I was disappointed. But i didn't put my name on the list for the vaccine leftovers so trying to beat the system has become a thing. This is israel after all. It is especially fast and furious in the khalid hmo which is much more flexible than mcabe and especially in the south of the country where the communities are few and far between and so they really are worried about vaccines going to waste my sister-in-law who lives in euro harm. Got her vaccine because a message showed up in the whatsapp group of her synagogue. Alert dimona has leftover vaccine. Everybody getting your cars and drive to bona. So she hopped in. The car headed over and got her vaccine. I've heard of that happening. In a rod hot in the north of country in some arab towns and cities were skepticism of authority in the over sixty local age. Group have left a lot of precious vaccine up for grabs and jewish israelis are getting in their cars and heading over. So i'd love to get my shot in the arm. I am not so unhappy. That mcabe my hmo was sticking to the rules. I visited a few vaccination sites in the center of the country since they've got them set up and other stadiums museums and it's heartwarming to see the senior citizens who have been trapped for so long at home isolated from their families. Terrified of this awful disease finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. I am insanely grateful for our hmo system which already had the infrastructure in place to deliver vaccines efficiently the vaccination us every year for the flu. For example. in the way i've been describing and yes dare i say. I am grateful for prime minister. Benjamin netanyahu for cutting the deals and making the vaccines get to israel and happen. Even though i hate to pat someone on the back whose army clearly hurts from patting himself on the back so much whether netanyahu did it as a political strategy or because he really wants to save lives who really cares throughout this crisis and especially since i've been on my trip to the united states i see that our government in israel as flawed and fucked up as it is is really trying in many areas. Mostly those that would have cost netanyahu politically. We failed this lame. Current lockdown is evidence. I call it lockdown schmuck down downpour to put it in hebrew terms segue schwager but in this vaccination efforts so far. Cross our fingers to to seem to be succeeding are public health. Care system and its workers are heroes. It breaks my heart. That i may be getting my vaccine before my eighty something parents and other relatives in the united states get it but i am glad grateful. The israelis i care about who are most at risk elderly immuno-compromised cancer survivors are going into twenty twenty one vaccinated. I hope that long before the year ends all of us and all the countries around the world will be happy new year to everyone here. Here's sister so at number nine. British chef ski street in tel aviv. Just off roth todd. There's a small cluttered ground floor apartment. That susan took me to the other week for my birthday. The lease on the apartment is held by two sisters haddassah ensler bow and it's been held by someone in the bow family since one thousand nine hundred eighty six when yosef bow hadda leaders. Father scraped together the money to open his studio there. Yosef bow was thirty six. Then he was thirty nine hundred fifty. When he came to israel from poland with his wife rivka and with haddassah who was then force leila was born three years later at saba read when he came yosef bow already had a very full lifetime behind him and as it turned out he had an entirely different very full lifetime ahead of him. Bow grew up in krakow in a prosperous secular family that sent him off to christian schools and then to art school where he learned graphic design. He was nineteen in nineteen thirty nine when he invaded poland. And first thing. He was expelled from school and then he is parents and his kid brother's marcel and ezio were corralled into the ghetto. The nazis set up in the city. Yussef a partially trained graphic artist then set up shop forging documents in exchange for food. And that's how the family survived. Many years later someone asked why didn't just forge papers for his family and escape with them and he rolled over the question in his mind is though it had never occurred to him and then he said who would have made the papers for everyone else then answering a question with a question in nineteen forty one the bows were shipped to the plaszow concentration camp where the guards had bowed drawing maps and making signs it was in the concentration camp that yosef blau met revka tanenbaum whose job it was to buff the nails of amone leopold good the sadistic mass murderer commandant of the concentration camp. Yosef enrica fell in love in the concentration camp after time you'll have traded for portions of bread for a spoon and another four to have the spoon fashioned in the metal shop into two rings then revka and yussef met at yosef mother's bedside quote without a rabbi without guests without music without mayonnaise salad and all the rest i said with this ring you are made holy to me. My mother blessed us and quote dressing like a woman. Yosef bow snuck in 'cause barracks in the concentration camp that night but alarm rang and guard swept through to find men in the women's areas. The women in the barracks covered with rags and he escaped although he wrote in his memoir quote. Two boys were beaten to death at night sacrificed on the altar of their sex drive and quote balance all his father executed and his brother. His own salvation came when schindler had him transferred to his factory. In czechoslovakia it was only in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven when rivka was dying that she told them that she saved his life by swapping his name for hers on oscar schindler's famous list. Which he could do because she had saved the life of the mother of the person who made the list my attack temper revka went to auschwitz after the war. Yosef bow searched for his people as people did and by accident or miracle. He found his wife in a hospital as polls occupied their home in krakow. Yosef and rica lived with someone they knew while bowel finish. His degree made scratch drawing caricatures for polish dailies. Haddassah was born in nineteen forty seven and finding in nineteen fifty. As i said the bows came. Here it was a whole new life for bow a new language a new place a new career which went down two tracks at once. The mossad hired bow as their graphic artists. That was his day job at meant several things. It was his job to forge the documents that the spy organization needed it was bow. Who drew up the passport. That allowed elie cohen to take up residence in damascus and the passport for adolf eichmann under the names. Fz crony with which a sedated iceman was. Spirited out of ways aris to israel bow also made posters and signs for the mossad and his favorite. He animated training videos for the mossad outside. The mossad and his teeny studio on british embassy street bow built in animation studio zone in the back room for which he created most cartoons made in israel in the nineteen sixties and seventies movie commercials public service announcements educational movies and shorts. The also wrote books at invented fonts some of the most beautiful funds and hebrew that i've ever seen and made posters and illustrations for papers and magazines mostly around two great themes hebrew and love. There is a lightness humor to everything that bow made. And there's also light but bows second. life in. Israel was never fully freed from his first life in poland including in the ghetto in the concentration camp in one of his memoirs. Joseph bow writes that quote since then. Many calendars have been changed. Nations disappeared. a new nations. Were born hundred. Chabad even had come and gone and the day before yesterday. We were sitting my wife and kids and i gathered around the table by the flickering light of the candles on the pure white tablecloth. Fragrant cake appears with sweet filling covered with confectioner's sugar sparkling like white snow. My wife is beside herself with pride and begins to cut the fruits of our labor ceremonially as befits a work of art. And i looked at my wife and suddenly i see her. The striped clothes and her shaved head covered with a white kerchief. And she's looking at me with vacant. And clouded is the smell of scorched. Flesh is in my nose. I put my hand beneath my chin. Bit onto my fingers. Stones that resemble chabad cake and quote the two small rooms that susan took me to are filled with bows work the tiny animation studio and the forging table that bow brought with him from europe and the projector that he built from scratch and his paints and inks and brushes and his prints and drawings and paintings a dasa. Ensler bauer there. At least one of them is always there and usually these days both in the mar. The sisters had successful careers of their own in painting singing performing filmmaking tv and other such they they lived for a time or one of them lived for a time in canada but since before two thousand and two when yosef bow died they have devoted themselves mostly to keeping his studio as a museum and telling school kids and tourists and whoever walks through the door about their father they tell his story they were like to grow up with him. They tell about helping their father move animation cells as he clicked frame after frame of a cartoon they sing. They grab your hand even with the corona and they take you from one prison to another offering exegesis. Their love for their father is total. It is overwhelming. It is beautiful. Two weeks have passed. Now since i was at the ios have bow museums. Leila dasa have each phoned me up and told me more stories of their father. They believe me when. I said that the place touched me some powerful way. I couldn't put my finger on. That's why they called. And since my birthday. I've been trying to figure out why exactly the place produced in me at once. Great longing but also something like happiness and relief. Maybe the germans have a word for that combination. But i don't. I do think it somehow has more to do with dawson sloboda than it does with yosef and rica bow. Aristotle said you can't know if a person had a happy life until you see how their children turned out all the way to the end of their lives in an infinite regress at a chabad table. In petach tikva yosef bow. Still smelled scorched flesh in his nose. Of course he did and rica too. But this marriage it started in a concentration camp produced dawson's leila who grew up under a warmer son when the two of them remember. It was my birthday sleep at a dasa. Sat me down in a chair. While they stood in front of me to sing me a song fellow. I'll they seem fan. As i said long we'd leads. Day was two small rooms at a tiny ground floor. Apartment at british chef. Ski nine off. Rothschild are filled with a very productive. Life's yield of art. It is wondrous a testament to how hard it is really to extinguish a man's creativity snuff out a spark but they're also filled mostly. They're filled. I think with the spirits of these two sisters. And this is how you see. What a miraculous accomplishment the life of yosef bow really was and that brings us to the end of our show. Thank you to meet. Eskenazi are genius researcher conciliatory and scholar in residence. Thanks to shell them are station manager without whom we would have none of this thanks. Who has she believed. My favorite band from keyboards davis music. Start at the end of our show. Thank you alison. Thank you natalie. Thank you don. We'd like to thank all of our transport is for your generosity and supported keeps the show going and it keeps the station going and we are moved and we are grateful and we are forever in your debt. We also like to thank you out there for taking the time to listen and ask you to like us on facebook and drop us a line. We're going to answer then. Go to apple podcast and give us a five star review. Maybe one that begins with this. The promise podcasts pairs equally beautifully with the vaccine and the moderna vaccine. If you're vaccine of choice is the russian sputnik vaccine. Maybe you'd rather be listening to unorthodox dot finished anywhere you want but before you do that. Remember that tonight as we record. We celebrate new year's eve or saint sylvester's day or as it's called here simply sylvester sylvester was of course pope silvester who governed the church from three fourteen to three thirty five. It was silvester. Who famously healed. Constantine the great of his leprosy according to a great many medieval paintings. So lester also slayed a dragon though. Maybe that's just what they want you to think. Of course folks from the fsu celebrate novi goad which is russian for new year often marking the arrival of midnight and the new year according to moscow. Time which is an hour ahead of israel's clock meaning that you can drink yourself stupid smooch. Up your sweetheart in the first minutes of the new year and still be in bed in time to get a good night's sleep which is kind of dream. And i just know that this year's new year's eve slash silvester slash they'll be goal is going to be a great one. What with the smooching and with the alcohol. And it's almost new now and i'm still sober as a judge and unsmooth as a lawyer if you know what i mean. Also twenty twenty has been pretty good but twenty twenty. One could be even better. Yup novi gut will be great but then just like that. In a blurry haze it'll be over not return for a whole 'nother year. Not so that. Promise podcasts we will be back to you next week every week reminding you that drinking too great excess is just one way to make yourself feel so sick you could spew and demonstrating for you weaken week out that there are others on this. The promised five test.

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Privacy, Please! Edition

Mom and Dad Are Fighting

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Privacy, Please! Edition

"Your words matter so much to the people you care about and writing. Those words in a hallmark card is a great way to share love and encouragement whether times are tough. And you need to send some support or they're going through an exciting life change. You can show you care with a hallmark card. Find cards for all the people. You care about at hallmark dot com slash. Mom and dad and wherever hallmark cards are sold. Just wanted to give you some fair warning that dan's probably gonna swear on this podcast because he always does welcome to. Mom and dad are fighting's parenting podcasts. For thursday march twenty fifth the privacy. Please edition i'm elizabeth new by right. The homeschooling family travel blog that such and the mom to three little henry oliver six and teddy. Who's four and we live in navarre florida. Hello i'm dan choice. I'm reading sleet and the author of the book how to be family. And the data lyra who's fifteen and harbors thirteen. We live in arlington virgin. I'm jimmy lilla mu a writer contributor to slates karen feeding parenting column and co host of slates wild and wise evening chat show and mom to ninety ma who is just about eight years old and we live in los angeles california. So i'm today's show what to do. If a zoom play date goes south then will come up with a strategy for a five person family. Living in close quarters and a kid who needs privacy in the bathroom then on slate. Plus have your kids watch the net flicks movie yesterday and started begging for a whole day. Where you their parents can't say no to anything while you're not alone. Former co host. Gabe roth will be joining us to rant only on slate plus so let's start with triumphs and fails dan. What do you have for us. I've got a simple powerful fail. This week just appear. Unalloyed in arguable. Fail so we were all eating ice cream and we have this new ice cream scoop that we got just a few months ago and i don't like the ice cream scoop of ice cream. Scoop is just. It's too big to its mouth is too wide. I barely fits in a pint container. Which is the size of container that the best flavors of ice cream are served in. It just doesn't work that well. Harper's like struggling to get the ice cream out of the box that i have to help her and i go. You know true. I really don't like this new ice cream. Scoop i got because i was thinking i feel like i probably bought this thing and i don't want it to you know anyone else to feel like i'm criticizing their ice cream scooper. Whatever so i made sure to put it on me. This ice cream scoop. I got not very good guys. My right and then harbor just instantly goes okay. Well i got it for you for christmas. So it's just a real basic. You had one job kind of fail. Don't talk shit about your. What's your children. Got your christmas. It's not that hard. But i- i blew it big time. Yeah that's it that's my fail at is a fail to fail. Jimmy such a consumer that like. I'm already looking up ice cream. Scoops i'm like i do hate my eyes i do. I do deserve a better ice cream school. Why do i have it. Sucks okay so my triumph is again and me craving something that naima has done And claiming it for myself but this is nothing that i'm really proud about so naima and a couple of girlfriends were on zoom and i overheard bits and pieces of this conversation. I wasn't able to piece together. What was happening. And then one of the girls mothers texted me and said you know d- are you hearing this conversation so it turns out that one of the girls had said something Something sexist if you will something about boys not being able to wear lipstick and makeup you know and and then when naima and one of the other you know the third girl on the call press terror on that You know she took it further and talked about youtuber who she would like. But he's a makeup artist. Which i'm kind of like well. Why are we. What would you like about him. Because there's this whole thing is but You know if he weren't a boy who wore makeup and so just the way that they corrected her chest. You know that is sexist. That is sexist. And i can tell that the third shells not having the same conversations that name and her other friend are having at home right you know. Because her reaction to the word sexist as name said it was kind of like she'd heard a dirty word namus said that she among the memorable quotes issues. Share with me and i fully believe that this is how when she said you know and so she when she talked about how she wants to like him but she doesn't like him because he does those things i said. Oh honey you need to worry about yourself and what you're doing with your life because he can do what he wants. Boys can do whatever they like. Girls can do whatever they like. Those rules are silly. you know. And i don't know what name is. Spirit is you know where she's at. Yeah with orientated and identity and all that stuff. But i love that you know regardless of where she is as a person. She's at a place either at an in terms of autonomy or empathy that she is like you can go because you're not going to disrespect You know people of this experience. Go naima naima gets another triumph again. Jamila from i think you definitely get to claim that like that's a result of you know what she's hearing and experiencing at home like that is why she feels the opinions she expressed rights are not only telling this other girl like boys can be wear whatever they want be whatever but her like feeling confident enough to tell a friend. Those things i mean. That's that in. Many ways is the hard part right absolutely. Well we have a fail raft up in hopefully triumph at the nou camp house on sunday. We the kids wanted to like have a parade or something. That's what they kept saying. And they had like a whistle and the had this flag and jeff. And i were trying to call some friends of ours from colorado springs and so we told them go like go outside and have your prayed march around the house and sent them outside unsupervised as we do very frequently. And so we're on the phone with these friends. And all of a sudden a henry comes like riding in the door. He's like oliver's bleeding everywhere and so jeff just like sets. The phone down runs outside. He comes back like cradling oliver. There's like blood and he's like we need stitches going. er er. He has just like sliced his his eyebrow. There is not an er close to us. It's about like a forty minute drive. So i like bandaged him up. Put him in. The car just takes off with him. I like go to try to figure out what happened because at that point it was. It was like irrelevant. Turns out. there was something that maybe henry was using a baton got thrown up in the air and on the upswing made contact with his eyebrow. How is right. You guys go into the bell rings. The bell rings. They know i walk in those screens. Store okay yeah we get to that jeff actually has the number. He calls ahead. We have a doctor there that we like. We have been to kids. They put us in the over large room. Every time i've been in there when jeff has been flying in there like do you want to stick it on the radio and get your husband like boy. Is it this time we've been hurt. The nurse did joke. Like oh you guys are moving like. Is this going to be your last visit. We were like we can only hope we've done pretty well. Actually in covid avoiding avoiding the are but whatever led to the bleeding husband a fail but oliver got two stitches. We have our favorite ice cream shop that whoever gets stitches gets to stop on the way home and like are we just went about our day. So i i am sort of like even though we move all the time able to just like know what to do handle the situation with very limited upheaval to like our day or plan. So you've incentivized stitches. We've incentivized now. There's still all terrified because it is like you know as they describe in detail when they get home you know. This is how many calls they had to put in my face. Has everyone had stitches at this point. Yeah yeah i mean. I agree that it's great. That you guys are on faysal as long as you don't sort of tip over into like dark comic. Ems territory where you're like cracking wise to each other two. Am about how you seen the shit. I don't think we've gone over the heads to too dark like i even think. Now we're good judges of whether you need stitches are not. We've had a couple where like there's an er doctor that we're friends with in the neighborhood because if you have three or more children you need to have friends. That is an er doctor. If you don't have one go go find one but we use to refer to her or say like hey do we need to get cities and now. I feel like we're both kind of like one. Look at it and able to say like yep. We went to the hospital. We go you know the parameters you know the rules okay. Before we move on dan you update last week. You came to us with the dilemma. Showed you and ali break your no makeup before high school rule. What did you decide well. I went upstairs after our conversation and told harper. Hey you know. We recorded the show. Today we did whole conversation with everyone about our makeup rule. And how was this rule that you can do make up until high school outside the house. And what should we do when you go back to school and you know. I think they gave me really good advice that i should talk to you about it. And that probably it's okay for us to rethink the rule and for you to wear a little bit of makeup to school if you want. And she was like dad. I i went to school today. Already wore makeup and i don't even remember that role. So problem solved. She looked great. She does just do a little little little bit of makeup. It's not a full face. Tm jamila a little something and then you can't see it because she's wearing a mask but she looks great. That's great completely. Forgot about the mask. We hoping for a better time. If i ever decide that. I want to strictly enforce the only a little bit of makeup rule you can tell lino to the micro leader. How much makeup she wore by. How much smeared on the inside of mask at the end of the day. So it's actually great gauge so summation. Your rule had zero effect on her behavior. That's correct. She did not remember the rule. And and if i had tried to strategically enforced after our conversation it would have been a disaster so everything worked out great perfect. That's that's the way like to hear with that onto the business today in slate. Plus we have gabe roth. He'll be venting about his kids asking and asking and asking for a yesterday. So come commiserate. If your kids have already found the movie on net flicks if they haven't it'll be a warning. 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Played for about ten minutes wandered away ignored her for ten minutes and then just hung up on her. My daughter called back and was trying to ask why she hung up and the girl interrupted her said sorry by and hung up on her again. They are pretty good friends. But haven't seen each other much since the summer and only on zoom a few times but it never went like this nor have any of the other numerous zoom played. She's had with other friends when i texted the other mom to find out what was going on. She said her daughter realized she hadn't said goodbye and massari. This girl has a very strong personality. And it's not the first time my daughter has gotten a little burned by it but after crying hysterically yesterday because she had been looking forward to playing with her. My daughter wants to set up another play date. I am a total loss. My mama bear wants to be like forget her. My hands off parenting side says to set up a play date and prepare her for what might happen. My meddling side wants to talk to the other parents about setting some expectations for how to treat each other for future zoom plates or that hit least be around while she's on the phone or maybe we should stick to in person outdoor meet ups for now. There are about an hour's drive away. What would you do. And if this is a teachable moment for my daughter what's the lesson. I know that this zoom played eight didn't go very well but i also don't think that that is reason enough for you to prepare your child for this being the end of her friendship with this kid or as a reason to write this cat off children that age do not have social skills period. Kids scamper off from actual plays like okay by right. You know like there's one kid who wants to give hugs and make a commitment to see each other again and talk about how funny they was. And then there's the other one who's like i've had exactly enough of this thank you. I'm ready to move on with the next part of my day. You know it very well could be that. That's what happened during this call in could be that this other child doesn't like doing zoom call. This is a very awkward in new way of communicating. Even for those of us adults who've been doing video for many years right send for this to be the way that you socialize with someone. There are a lot of kids who don't like it and also kids are doing zoom school sunau. The way that i see my friends is also the same way that i sit and listen to a teacher and perhaps some not very engaged or happy throughout the day. So i think that you should talk to your daughter about the reasons why this zoom occasion might have gone this way and why it's possible that futures zoom dates with this child or with other children may go that way but that a better way of gauging relationship might be in person when you're able to do that and so if you do another day with this kid and it doesn't go well then maybe this isn't your resume date fran but i would assume that means that this person is not your friend you have the thing that was most surprising about this letter to me was not the way that this friend behave it on the zoom call but the statement by this letter writer that all the others zoom playdates have gone great. That seemed incredible me. The very idea because first graders are just not like generally constitutionally equipped to do a zoom play and often as jamila says to do a regular plate. they're just not equipped to be human beings in the world. I think back a lot to the way that lyra and her two longtime best friends were when they were four or five six years old around the age of this child and they were friends that we made. Because when we moved to arlington we moved in the middle of the year and there weren't any spaces and preschools anywhere. Because you know like in many places where preschools are hot. Commodity just had like seven year waiting lists or whatever your child be negative for years old. Sign them up for the waiting list. And there's one preschool that had just opened and so it was getting filled with entirely with people who had just moved arlington. So we met these other families. They're very nice families. We liked very much but we definitely made friends with them because we were all desperate for friends at the exact same moment and we endured several years of extremely bad playdates between all of these kids In which one of them would be angry at the other or the would have fun for half an hour and then someone would blow walker. Lyra would be horrible or one of the other ones would be horrible. I have this very distinct memory of one time when we were at the park and all three of them had served gone off to the woods to play and then we saw them all walking back leg with great purpose towards us and the lead one. The legal sophie was just crying and crying and crying and lyra was right behind her looking very worried and then cocktails right behind them yelling. Don't tell them. Don't tell them what i did. They were all like that. Because first graders aren't just like not that good at this unless you unless a miracle happens basically and we just we had to learn to like deal with every moment of friction even bad moments of friction in these interactions between these kids as being representative of anything about the friendships really or their relationship with each other or the kind of people they were our kids or the other kids because all that stuff is off the table when it comes to first graders interacting with each other because it's just very hard for them. And so i would urge you not only in zoom play dates with this child but in the future real life. Playdates that you're going to have for this child to not stress out about this child's quote unquote strong personality or whether you're getting burned by it at some point if it turns out that they can't be together for more than two minutes without screaming or hitting each other sure then separate them and think about whether this friendship is worth keeping but like one play date that went bad as jamila says is not a reason to have any big thoughts about the future of this friendship press. She said it was fine for ten minutes. I feel like first graders ten good minutes on zoom. I have a first grader. Ten minutes would be yes like you want exactly she asks. What is the teachable moment. Here i think the teachable moment is that like other. Humans are unpredictable and you can't control their behavior and so much fragile for her too. Yeah exactly for all of us. Is that like maybe. This girl had a bad day. Maybe she hates zoom. Maybe your daughter also hates zoom. Think daughter's like reaction of crying like that's also okay and happens in person dates and you know the question is is a zoom played. Eight something you want to keep doing. If it's working with other kids keep doing it. Sure and your daughter likes this other kid but if this soon played it doesn't work with this child. That's totally fine. Like you have friends that you don't play board games with friends that you don't go play soccer with or whatever things maybe this is just a friend that you don't do zoom play dates with it's not like adults where some kind of contact is important or you feel like you haven't seen them in forever. I also think you don't need to stress like as a parent that it's your job to maintain all of these friendships over this. The course of however long this lasts if it's not working it sounds like your daughter you know wants to see this child again. I think if if if your daughter keeps asking you feel like that something you want to do. You should talk to the other parent about what the best thing is but maybe just like treating zoom less like a play date in which you scheduled to have kids for some set amount of hours if you treat it more like a phone call in which your child will call spend ten minutes catching up with this. Other person are playing with toys at the same time. And then it's just over. That is a much more reasonable expectation of you know the limitations of zoom and. I don't know about your kids but mine are so over like the idea that they're gonna play over the computer like they're just done with that elizabeth's exactly right. I think that it's totally normal for your child to cry as a result of this thing it's not a sign of like some greater problem the other thing that's really normals for your child to say you know twelve hours later. I want to see this person again. Kids in addition to being really good at picking up friendships. That have lain fallow for a long time. Really good at at forgetting and forgiving slights. That often drive us the parents crazy but often don't have any impact at all on the kid and so. I don't think that you should necessarily worry that your kid is going to be going into whatever the next play is with this child being desperately fearful that it's all going to go back again in said your kid is probably just going to go into those play. Ap and lake great. I get to play with this person again. Naima my daughter who is completely obsessed with my mother and particular will. Just walk away from the call. You know like by then you know and like and doesn't necessarily like talking to my mother vary their times where she really wants to talk to her but like for the most part she vastly prefers having her in person. You know there have been times where it's like after begging to get on the phone with her but then you're telling me how much you miss her and how bad you want to see her that she's not the way that she wants to consume higher. So i think again. I would just remind your child that you could. Have you know you will over. The course of the rest of your life come across friends. That don't like to engage be Telecommunications they would rather deal with you in person. I just feel like validating that for kids to tell them. It's okay that this is terrible. I'm you know i'm sorry. I'm sorry that that's how you're experiencing that. Because i do think some of this would be resolved if you were in person if the kid play anymore and ran off right in a normal play date. You'd follow her and pick up something new and that's once they leave the computer that's not available so we'll good luck and please let us know how your kids next play date goes if you have a question for us email us at mom and dad at slate dot com or do what this listener did and posted in asleep parenting facebook group spotify and higher ground launch a new podcast renegades born in the usa. President barack obama and bruce springsteen sit down to discuss the country. That's giving them both so much. Chronicle the stories of its people and connect their own search for meaning truth and community with the larger story of america. They may seem like unlikely. Friends to men with very different backgrounds and career paths get built a friendship on their shared. Sensibilities ended up belief and the american ideal in renegades born in the usa. We get to eavesdrop as they reminisce about their hometowns and role models explore manhood. 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They like sharing a bedroom but recently the five year old has been asking for privacy in the bathroom or when changing clothes. This is totally fair in theory but in practice it means that she'll stand naked in front of her wardrobe for five minutes while she picks up close and chats expecting us all to avert her eyes while we help the twins get dressed there are also a lot of fights about the twins needing to wash their hands or brush their teeth while the big one is using the toilet or undressing in the bathroom. Does anyone a good system for ensuring that everyone has time to change clothes or use the bathroom in peace without totally derailing the getting out of the door process first of all. I wanna say that. I love this kid style to demand privacy but also want to make sure that she can chat with everyone with their backs turned so they cannot behold the queen c. is putting on her regalia. Gotta give it up to this kid. Sense of style. So they're su- separate problems stemming from this need for privacy. They both have to getting ready. But there's the bathroom problem. And there's the bedroom problem. And i think they potentially have two different solutions in the bedroom when her majesty wishes to not be regarded by peasants is while she is getting dressed. It seems like the answer for her to get dressed by herself in full privacy. A thing that five year olds are totally capable of doing and you can be addressing those twins elsewhere or at a different time. You can be trading off and putting the twins in the bathroom while her majesty is dressing in the bedroom and that seems totally fine and in addition allows you to build the skill that this seemingly very independent minded kid would benefit from which is making all those decisions and getting those clothes on all by herself in the bathroom to me. It seems like the obvious answer is just like kitchen timer like just set it for five minutes when everyone else has done with the bathroom review would like to return to the bathroom and enjoy yourself in the mirror a little bit more. You should absolutely feel free to but kitchen time like just a crappy four dollar kitchen timer you buy at the dollar. General is a great solution to many household problems. Certainly this one but do you guys think. I think it's very important that this child understands their right to bodily autonomy and space and that even in a small if you will apartment which i mean it could be a whole lot smaller. You know you do have two bedrooms. You have a place for everyone else to go. And i don't think it's a tremendous sacrifice to allow your five year old a couple of minutes to herself so she can feel comfortable changing and it's not only that it's important for her to know that it's okay to have bodily tani. I also think it's useful for her to know that you do have to be considered other people in your family. We have a very similar problem. Because i have three boys sharing room and then they also share a bathroom and like when we have guests grandparents here. Whatever that's the same bathroom. That's that gets shared a although sometimes in that case obviously we all come use the bathroom. That's attached to our room so then there's five of us using the bathroom in the days in which we had guests that is clearly not a not a current issue but we have found that number one is like get a timer and everybody gets time for things because i think it is about balancing the need for privacy with this need for understanding that you live as part of this family and in this communal space and some of the things we did particularly henry is the one who wants to have his own some privacy. The other two don't really seem to care but we lay out closed the night before so that. There's no standing and getting dressed. He's the first one up so the schedule for him like he goes into the bathroom his clothes already there. He gets stressed He does we. we sort of. Say that the bathroom is for bathroom things and that doesn't need to be done in the bathroom. We don't do in the bathroom. I think that will help. There's also an opportunity in the bedroom to arrange furniture or rearrange. Things are so that there's privacy in the shared space with the washing hands and all of that taking a minute to look at everyone schedule and saying like how do we d crowd this this moment like can the twins get up a little bit early and feed them breakfast while you know your daughter get stressed and then it's like a switch. We use that trick a lot like someone is using the bedroom to get ready while the other kids are eating breakfast like just using all the space you have in the house for this morning routine where everyone needs to be kind of getting ready at the same time. You really have to be ruthless with the morning routine. Can the more kids you have. I think the more ruthless you need to be and thinking of your home for those moments as just like a little henry ford assembly line factory where the product you're turning out is dressed. Children ready for school is actually not harmful at all and will really help you get through that time. I think the president's when they're older and as they get more autonomous like that that although there is like opportunities for privacy you can't gunk up the whole system. These are kind of life skills. Like i know it. It seems like oh. I'm just dealing with this. But you're also teaching your children about sharing these spaces and being considerate but also getting the things that you need. I think rethinking the house reimagining the house right. Because for some people the idea of drawing up your hair on the cows or you know somebody doing a grooming in dining room or you know being in the living room changing by themselves because that's the only place that's available at the moment may sound while like this is your home and you know particularly if you're not entertaining guests at the time like if you have to have somebody getting change in the kitchen as long as the kitchen has shades and blinds. It's fine no one's coming over you might as well use it. Use it use the face. Well we hope that helps if you have a conundrum rattling around send it in email us at mom and dad at slate dot com or posted on the sleep parenting facebook group so now we are going to move onto recommendations so jamila. What do you have for us after a long while of putting package beverages essentially to the side altogether because they've been a lifelong obsession of mine and they're not always very healthy for you and even when they are they're expensive I kept saying these billboards for coca cola with coffee and i was intrigued now years ago. Red bull had a cola which that's not the same concept at all but it was delicious. And i've been chasing something that tasted like that and i thought for some reason. Maybe this what they have three flavors dark blend caramel and vanilla and i bought all three of them because they were there and i needed something to do and so i am recommending the dark bland. I will admit. I did not enjoy the vanilla and caramel yet. I can't rightly. Say that. I like this per se but greatest recommended is fascinating palette. It is a thing. And i think it might be on the cusp of something really great but i think that you should try it and perhaps you can help me to decide how i feel about this flavor. Are you going to get more like. is it interesting. No it's like a club she went to and it was good and she thinks everyone should have this. Yeah this needs to say you had it. I'll tell you my sheep complaint. And i don't know how they sell for this while i'm sure they can. Because they've been making sorta for quite a long time. It's not quite carbonated out. Which is opposite of my usual complain about coq which that it tastes to bubbly. Yeah so like. Did you. Literally only only i'm pepsi girl next week. We are going to have the most entertaining fails when a little blows up her apartment trying to soda. See coffee. don't do that. This would be so good and an overpriced or no. Ed like some sort of cocktail at some like brand activation or event is reminding of being at a party. Twenty-three-year-old intern is like. Hey try our new blah blah blah blah and then use right near like. I've never drinking that again. Yeah but we don't get ice bringing back all these like this news. My recommendation is not as complicated as she meal's recommendation. It does not include notes of coca cola. Coffee and despair. The way hers does. But i am recommending amber and clay a middle grade novel by laura. Amy schlitz It just came out. It is set in ancient greece and is written partly in verse and partly in prose. it's about An enslaved in an aristocratic girl. But it's not a romance two characters though linked in spirit never actually meet in person It's a very surprising book and a lot of different ways but it really grabbed lyra particularly at a time when it has been very hard for any book to grab her as i think. A lot of kids are having that problem right now. So if you have a kid maybe between ten and fifteen who really knows her. Greek myths may. Because once she loved percy jackson and she needs something engaging to read. You might wanna give it a try. It seemed to me that the the mode at transformations between prose and poetry. And there's a lot of heart in the book really helped liar sort of Get excited about this reading experience in the way that other reading experience. She hasn't sparked to those right. Now that's called amer and clay by laura. Amy schlitz sounds great. I am recommending in light of my triumphant fail. Weli bandaids. they come in these really cute tins and actually come as like packs where you can get all of the like kids wound care. And they have great patterns. I will say ultimately. I bought it because the tin look so cute and i thought i definitely need this little tin of band but the band aids themselves are fantastic. Like they do better than any other type of band aid that we have had and we should know And the the patterns. I mean like a fun fun to entice the children to wear them. They make adult ones as well that come in all kinds of colors But i just really love them and they really do just like sticks so well. I have the kind of skin that like when i peel it off. I get the like allergic reaction to the band. These don't do it to me. I don't know if they're using a different type of adhesive. Or what the deal is. But i don't get those little like red bumps in the shape of a band aid the best part about this recommendations that somewhere in band aid brand headquarters sirens are going off because of all the times referred to another company is adhesive bandages as the trademarked abandoned. Sorry band aid. You lost the war committee. Always eli's the problem because rallies are boots right. That's totally different thing. The new camp family goes through a lot of and he things for soaking up blood. You know if you have to have a band aid over your child's face why not let him choose unicorns which makes him happy. So we love while edna. They're so good really good. Well that's it for our show one last time. If you want us to weigh in on your quandries email us at mom and dad at slate dot com or posted to the sleep parenting facebook group. Just search for sleep parenting. If you haven't already please subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. It helps us out. And you'll never miss an episode. And while you're there rate and review the show montana fighting is produced by rosemary belsen for dan quayle into i'm elizabeth new camp.

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John Bartolo Show

1:06:00 hr | 5 months ago

Tom Taylor - SIG Sauer

"All right we're back with another episode. But i the sponsors head over to wwi toll. Show dot com All the links and everything will be shared down below. Please check it out. Appreciate you guys. I appreciate every sponsor gallo technologies for one rhino metals for all the tables and chairs in the studio of course right on optics. And i have to thank the courts in firearm scrapbooks especial. Thanks today to six hour. Everybody knows sig hits home for me. It's a big deal. So when i have the opportunity to have someone on from sig it means a lot and i got the one and only the king of kings. Quite an intro. Tom taylor what's going on no way. I can live up to that you know that. Oh come on come on you deserve. It just goes well listen. Stig always has a soft spot in my heart. And i think you know that so You got some weather up there. It's not pretty but You managed to come on. So i appreciate you and all the fine folks over there so you got a great team. Now we we. We're used to this. And we're prepared for and i feel bad for the rest of the country. This is not prepared for this and not used to it because that's their some people out there struggling so Best out to those people. Because like i said this is a normal new england winner as you know but It's in some of the other states that aren't prepared to deal with this. It's pretty rough out there now tom. You're an industry leader in a lot of people are going to pay attention to things you say. And they're gonna watch closely six. You know so. Here's the deal you know. Take me through. What's been going on in the industry and how you guys are managing to get products. Not only to the distributor. This is a normal new england winter as you know in texas. Are you getting that feedback. hang on. We got a little bit of a feedback issue. Let me see might be better. Now we'd better now. I'm yeah sounds good Sounds better now. sorry about that what. I was saying tom as you're urine industry leader and people are going to look to this you know and for some one for some guidance right and understanding and really an overall where sick is at and i know you can only speak for sick but some things you know. I want you to put your your industry hat on. You know in some instances and give me an outlook but from a perspective. How you guys managing to meet the demand in also at the same time maintain quality and continue to keep people working which is really important at a time like this. It's a super complex question. John because you know first of all we're just we're not keeping up. I mean there. They demand out there. Right now is not like anything anyone's ever seen before and i think everyone knows that You know oddly. Not if you look at where we were in january february of twenty twenty. We've almost doubled our production firearms and last year. We were snake bitten for several months of the year. Because we'd actually outside of the us military contract which we are. You know we have to serve every month with steady deliveries we also Were awarded some very significant international contracts. That started shipping in march of twenty twenty which was exactly when something else happened and the countries are the having tremendous demand on on firearms and ammunition so forth so But the good news is that that that major contract has been fulfilled. We been able to nearly double passing factory on guns ammo A little bit of a different story. We have definitely increased our capacity for a lot of the year. We were rolling along. We were three shifts seven days a week making ammunition and so forth so that was definitely something that was ramping up but more recently You know we've we've faced some really serious issues with chain issues in for one thing and firearms and we've had some magazine issues. We've had to take some. Sku's that We tried to be a selective as we can but we have to take out the magazine so to speak in one magazine with the gun. Put a certificate in the In the box to say hey contact us and we'll get your your magazine that we owe you at a later time. And that's unfortunate. It's it's not a great customer. Experience hate that But we we will provide that magazine at some point in time but you know we. We've we've got. We'd rather spread the magazines out and deliver term funds than Than just not be able to build. Go ammo front. We've faced more and more restrictions on really one key component that's primers The entire industry struggled with getting enough primers. And there's only a couple of people in the us that make primers and they definitely are controlling who gets them in where they go and You know we we are unfortunately compete with those people in a lot of ways and so You know we were struggling to get primary now that being said We have plans to become self sufficient primers in the near future. But that's still so little bit In the future The later this year so Yes oh so. It's it's just not like anything we've ever seen. The demand is is incredible. But we've we literally double our output in the factory and and it's still not enough now you know i've been all over this ammo three thing you know. Take me through a little. Bit of an understanding of of you know Lacking capacity one thing we know you guys have capacity. The issue is components. And take me through what that really means. Explain to people that. It's not joe the proper going and by four cases at cabela's that stymying this just so people understand because a lot of people seem to think. Oh it's the proper is that are you know t- take me through that a little bit so so everybody understands yeah. I don't think it's the prepar at all. I mean i certainly if the prescott and by as much as they wanted they would. But i think almost every gun store in america from big box stores to to be no joe's gun shop are restricting ammo sales you know. In some cases it is one box or two boxes In in places where they have ranges they're trying to save ammo back to the rangers can function and people can burn to shoot. But i think what's happening is. Yeah the that by hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo millions of rounds of ammo view. If you look at it collectively but then there's the next layer of gun owners who were normal people that go to the range and shoot and by 'em for the shooting sessions or whatever and they've upped what they want and there's an next layer people that go to the rain every now and then or they wanna make sure. They have enough when they saw everything. That's happened over the last year. And they're buying more ammo. And then you add. The last quantified number was eight million new gun owners. And you know that numbers probably ten million by now and they're because they can't get enough ammo to even have guns much less go to the rain rain or get any training as a new gun owner and so when you start layering all this stuff together. There's just no way we're going to keep up with the numbers. I spoke to a major range in florida A a couple of weeks ago when he was a bit of a business. Prepar if you will and this gentleman had about four years of supply just just in case something like this happen thinking you know that would give him certainly enough runway to make sure that if something happened he being good shape while he's out you know it's like four years of supply now has gone and he's he's living hand to mouth just like everyone else now also it is a An epidemic That is driven by the ten million new gun owners. Just trying to buy a couple boxes of ammo. And then it just goes it's exponential from there. We we have what we do in our pro shop which is just a small example You know we're down to one. You're not you're allowed to buy one box per day. And we have people come in and buy their one. Boxed are the ammo companies. This is important to me. The emo companies aware of how dangerous this can become. If we don't start to get the components capacity to a level that can satisfy these eight million new goners meaning. We're not doing a great job. Indoctrinating them into the sport right tom. If we don't get people out shooting and training and participating in hunting and the things we love about the sport it ends up working against us because people by the gun. They buy one box ama- which i know you don't want to happen at sig is they. Throw it in a closet and they say you know what i mean. We're not doing a great job getting our fingers into that new community when we don't have the ammo to support them. I think it's a huge problem. I can't speak to a lot of industry. People and in fact i was running the light for our call today because i just got off a call with some industry leaders trying to talk to some of the things we're facing as an industry but I think there's a rebel serve a a recognition of that shortage And everybody's doing as much as they can And maybe that's why we for us instance. We experienced a shortage in primers. They wanna make it all themselves so all those that the suppliers who took care of us on primers you know. Maybe they've consumed all their own primers and so therefore they don't have any capacity to give anyone else so that's likely what's going on but i must believe that they understand that issue. If you go back and look at some history you know the the surge of sort of Seventeen and eighteen was sort of moderate surgeon gun sales. If you will but twelve thirteen was the biggest thing we'd ever seen prior to this one and what happened all the new gun owners that went out and said i'm nervous for this reason or that reason i'm gonna go out and buy a new gun. I'm going to buy some ammo And yes there was an ammo shortage. But not anything like this nor for this length of time and you know they. They finally got out to the rangers. I finally got some training and what we learned in in sort of looking back six or seven years ago in all this is going down those new gun owners that went out bought whatever they can find and whatever they could get they got they finally out to the range. They got some training. They realize you know what not always good for protecting my family and myself and so on but this is fun And next gun. Didn't they bought an ar then. They bought more ammunition than they started getting involved in shooting sports and we saw this. This huge you sort of you know Rat snake going down the The the new shooter world of people that were getting out and shooting or and ranges Waiting lines and appointments and things like that because it just wasn't enough ranges in the country to take care of all the new shooters and if we look at that same rat in the snake of new gun owners. You know growing participation the industry. I feel like right now. The snake is eating an elephant And that is going to be working. Its way down the snake and and You know the number the number of gun owners that will at some point finally get out to the range a get some training. Which is what we endorse everyone. Then start shooting for fun. And then say wow i want gone number. Two number three for these different purposes For my family for my kids or whatever they they wanna do the range. And so i think i think this served urges going to have a long tail on it because there's going to be a lot of people that are going to be out saying okay. I can finally by ammo. I can finally by that gun. I really wanted because i just bought what they had. And and so on. So i i think there's i think there's just hope the ammo companies are all doing everything we're doing because i know what we're doing to make sure we're trying to serve those shooters as well as everybody else. That needs ammunition. My fear tom is that the they're they're they're not one. You don't have to tell you my conspiracy theories but is there not for one and two the they're not understanding that we don't get a hand around this and we don't get ammo out there. I know instructors personally. And i know you do to. That have literally had to cut their classes in half because they in you have an academy yourself there that because people can't justify a thousand dollars for thousand rounds of nine millimeter and a three hundred fifty dollar class. it's just it's economical. The math doesn't make sense and where they're they're working against the grain so to speak of getting a lot of the popcorn out into the movie theater because ammo is the popcorn and we have to get it out into the market so that we can stimulate people to go and buy a second and a third gun because a lot of times everybody knows they buy one initially. It's not necessarily what they want. It's what they can get their hands on. They go into make that second purchase. But they're not gonna do that if they only have. Twenty five or fifty rounds and i and my fear is that a lot of these companies are hoarding. The components that they could be spreading around to stimulate growth by having p. utilize other people's capacity. and like. I say you have a better. You know you talked a lot of people. You probably have a more insight on that ladder. Meantime they're not gonna tell me what they are doing at. But i think that's that's possible because they wanna make themselves and i'll give you an example. You know for us. It said we saw guns. We sell optics. We sell ammo. We saw air guns. We sell suppressors. We have an academy so we have a lot to raise revenue streams but when an ammo company goes into a period. Like this Obviously they want to sell as much as they can and they wanna make sure they have a runway to make as much as they can and you know they're keeping their component for themselves and if that's what they wanna do that's fine I can't control that I the only way. I can control it. Go build my own factory to bill primers which we are doing but that you build factories overnight either so so we. We have to wait on ourselves to be able to get that done But i i think that's possible that they're they're you know making sure they have enough components but when i do know i can't speak to is You know within the industry you know the the price I'll just say they were the price gouging. That's going on out. There is brutal and you know it's You know i get it. Ammos a very very low margin product. We know that because we sell it I n oh so so. We don't we don't ever get mauled in the. You never gonna find a box of sick ball ammo for eight ninety nine where we just not. We don't play that game. Right but those the mo manufacturers that do sell eight ninety nine ball ammo or or worse. They're making money now. And we know that. Some of the major companies have had at least four price increases And you know that's over a one year period so they're raising their price you know just on a regular cadence and we have not done that. Sick we have Taken one small increase in an area where we really were making much money but we have not done that now by ammo at a store. I can't speak to that because a retail is going to do what they need to money. But what i can't speak to is that on. Cd-rom oh we did not raise prices on so yeah. I mean tom. I'll say what you won't say the fact that they're slipping in these price increases while retailers are are are inflated is the ultimate scumbag move. I mean i'll say. I'll say what you won't say. I know you won't say respect for your colleagues and peers around the industry. I think it's a low brow move. We've seen multiple increases. And i know you won't say because you're respectful guy. You're your guy respected across industry lines and you won't come out and say but i'll say it for myself my listeners and the coaches instructors that i loved that are trying to feed their families. It's a scumbag move. That's that's all that it is. I mean to be at at eight hundred or nine hundred dollars in some cases for thousand rounds and nine and then to turn around and say you know we're gonna do fifteen twenty percent increases across the board. I mean that's the amateur hour juvenile i. It makes no sense but it's the world that we live in and people should remember exactly what you just said that you didn't raise prices when you had the opportunity to do so in slip slip in like a thief in the night but they chose to. Yeah and i you know. It's funny is hard for us. 'cause the your listeners and consumers gone outlook and friend with i may not know that when they see sega next the other major manufacturers or minor monarch manufacturers more than like the retailers marking all of them up to a level. That's up here but we can certainly look anyone in the eye and say you know we didn't raise our prices. We just we we. We absolutely could. There's no doubt we can raise our prices But we've chosen not to do that because it's not only revenue stream. We're in a good position in that regard and we're in this you know we're in this for the long haul and you know we were doing well just like every other gun ammo company right now but you know guess what we were doing pretty well back in two thousand and nineteen. We build innovative products. We put a tremendous amount of money in in in Reach our research and innovation as you know you see you follow and you know we never almost never launch a product. It's just a me too. Product always has some innovation and that's expensive and You know i know. Everybody says that the consumers and you know that's a negative about sagan and you know we've we've had people that say you know you're our generation of say guns. Don't buy those because the company doesn't test them. Well you know we. We absolutely spend a tremendous amount of money on testing and trying to make sure we're delivering the best innovative products to the market. That we can But when you're edgy and when you innovate products you're gonna. You're gonna find things that when they we can test all we want with people inside our factory people outside but but you don't learn things you get thousands of people testing your products and shooting your products. You learn things and then we you know we were gonna make improvements as we go to make sure the best product that we can. But it's sort of a good and bad part of being an innovative. We put a lot of innovation out there but we hit bumps in the road and You know so. It's it's a it's a give and take on that front but yeah i mean the we try to be. We're not and we know that but we're also not going to get into the game of raising our prices just because we can't without giving away too much of your formula. Because i i like to think i know a sliver of how your brain works. I love where this could potentially go because you guys could potentially be like fooling people into thinking like mcdonald's fools people into thinking they make money off the hamburgers they make money off being a real estate company if you keep ammo prices low and you can dominate that market when everyone else says gee whiz you know you know what those boardrooms alike. Now's a great time to raise prices. Let's raise prices. You get on that carousel of raising prices and then six slips in like the girlfriend. Everybody loves in just kind of stays at that steady price in you know before long. You're like i'm just going to buy this i. It's it's made by reputable company. The the price is right and you become that brand and it's just it makes so much sense to me and i think they're making a critical error. I i in my in my opinion. You know it's just. I could see where you can go with this. You know and it will make a lot of sense. And i hope that's where we do go. We hope we get credit for doing what. We're doing It's hard to recognize. You know like. I said because the consumer for macy and the more expensive price. But you know we we've always said we're not gonna go out there and play those deep discounting games and and in these of markets. We're not gonna take our price up but we want to be consistent and we want to be mindful of making sure that we are not taking advantage of the marketplace and That's been are you. Just you actually just nail our strategy on ammunition. No we're not known for munition were not known for optics but if we put a good price out there at equality product Over time You know sort of driven by the brand we've created with our firearms of you know these things are all going to be successful. I mean our our optics. Company is sneaky big You know we've we've been able to have a lot of product on the shelf. we've been able to market with our guns and grow in and the ammo. Hopefully it's the same thing. Oh i trust guns trust the optics. So now i'm going to trust simulation So i don't want to put. I don't wanna put a A different razor play late in this razor. I want to use the razor blade. That was that was built for this This gun so to speak so So we try to be mindful of those things and like i said it's just we don't we're not in the same position as the companies that make super low margin only selling ammunition like i said earlier. We sell a broad array of products. So we're not forced to do that so we're going to be consistent. We're not gonna. We're not going to raise ammo prices because we when we're back to you know we're we're making these low margins on ammo You know we'll still be selling the guns at certain margins and You know we can maintain our business without having to go you know. Raise their prices in a good market and then in the tough market damn will come his all. Be back down to you. Know pretty low prices on munition gravity. Oh kickin sooner or later it will it will. will take me through Recently you guys Got some publicity. May you know show got cancelled. We know that You made a substantial donate along with several others to the nsf. Is a little bit of an enigma. In a mystery there What what's your on the board. What's the nsf. Going through right now. What what do we not see him. What don't i understand about what's going on there. So the us a little bit of a misunderstood organization. You know they on one hand they emma board member but i mean i'll speak honestly you know. Be as honest as the You know they have a number of programs out there a little bit consumer facing a project child safe and don't lie for the other guy picnics. Projects that they're they're they're in there. They're in what they do. But it's not necessarily what their primary purposes But what does very well That that not many people see because they're not a public facing oregon's trade organization. They protect the gun industry. That's what they're therefore they. They protect legislation. They led the fight for the protection of lawful commerce and arms act when people were suing gun companies for murder back in early two thousands late night. You know and it was going to bankrupt the gun industry. It was absolutely going to bankrupt the industry not because they were winning cases There was never a case one. They're all considered frivolous cases. But it was legal. Fees were bankrupting the industry and so who is on the point of that fight back in the late nineties early two thousands. It was the nsf. Now the advice stood up took credit for the protection of lawful. Commerce in arms zach was very involved other people were very involved but the tip of the spear was really the nsf and so that was their one of their big major achievements. When i started it wasn't the nra was You know go into each state and fighting for Getting all the gun. Companies ammo companies and gun stores all deemed business critical or That was the nsf who was leading that fight and went up when a governor who's On the democratic side. I would say when. I say we're closing everything. We're closing everything and gun stores included while and that state. Nsf would go to those Those states and they would. They would work with those votes and help them understand. This is not the time to close gun stores with all this tarmo turmoil going on in america this violence going on in america and so in pretty much every instance. The nsf was successful in getting states. Even even liberal leaning bates allow gun stores to stay open to allow manufacturers remain open You know so they were. They were able to do that. And so you know it's a it's it's not understand at an organization that's well understood. Now about ninety percent of their income comes from shot show a booth fees and sponsorships and advertising for the magazines that come out with that and the daily shot newspaper daily and those kinds of things the revenue they drive from show is what really keeps them. in operational forum and so without shot show either. Imagine if you're coming use lost ninety percent of your revenue just like that because because you had to cancel your show and so you know when being a board member you know when we saw that we said the industry has to step up and try to put these guys back in a position when we're going to need the most with this new political environment that we're in and so yeah. We donated a half a million dollars. Which would be more than they would make on sing my lot. You know at the shot show. We spend more than that by the time we ship our booth out there. Send our people out there and and all the things that come out come along with shot. Show we spend more than that but the prophet the nsf gains from from us sick and other vendors. is a certain amount and you have twenty two hundred vendors and that all adds up into the money that funds the nsf. So you know. We made a large donation Of a few other major companies made large donations. But right now those those donations to replace shasha fees Only adds up to about ten or fifteen percent of the revenue needed for nsf to to make it now. They had cash reserves That show coming next year There are advancing booth fees for next year. So they're going to survive. There's no issue with the nsf. Going under filing bankruptcy. But they're hurting and You know they've had to lay some people off and you know We are trying to be part of an action group. Not the innocence of going begging for money Inside the industry but uh trying to be good stewards and send a good message to the rest of the industry that they need to step up and make sure they support the nsf. Because oddly enough a lot of people that are listening right now may not know that all those things are with the. Nsf does and how they get funded But sadly in honestly a lot of the industry doesn't understand that. I talked to people in the industry all the time. There's like. I didn't know that was where the nss i've got their money or i didn't know the nsf did all those things. So so some people see that outward facing programs the nsf. And you know. They have moderate levels of success. But where we're the nsf. Earns money is by fighting sort of back shop things to protect our industry. Yeah i mean my my thing time. I've been. I've been very hot and the nsf is a tough one for me. Because i am Complimentary of what they did particularly during covid. Nobody can forget that right. Making sure the gun stores stayed open. That was huge in. There's no arguments there. And they do do a lot behind the scenes and i know that's a very overused and diluted term around the industry and on the boards and everything. Oh we're working behind the scenes but my issue has been. This has to be a wakeup call within that infrastructure for sure to not make the revenue be ninety percent. Chacho going forward. It has to be. Because as you. And i have talked very candidly. It cannot go on considering a you know. Some of the least smart people in the room can figure out how to make money on youtube and on streaming on other areas and pay walls of never been more popular than ever and we're seeing absolute horrible products being streamed into your home like hbo. Maximum certain things that we're paying nine and ten bucks a month for they gotta come up with a solution there because it cannot be carnival. That only makes money when it sells a booth. Yeah it's very true and that is subject is being discussed but But you know it's just it's one of those things where there is such a productive situation shot show but as malva case for one year on away and so i think. I think there's a little bit of a wakeup call that there needs to be some of the revenue streams and and be on the board. You know that is being discussed You know but it's it's hard when when for the shot has been around for thousand years six years or something and it's been very consistent it's been growing like crazy it's it's You know i it feels really good until you have your like this and it goes away. And you'll have any other revenue very few other revenue streams. So i don't disagree with you That it's frustrating You know that. There's no other revenue stream but i think the way i look at. It is if shot show can continue to be viable at great then a succession continue to make. It's money at at shot show and the way they do it. It's very Economic if you will for for the industry to be able to do what they do at shot show. In in a small percentage of those twenty two hundred vendors goes innocent finishes just strengthen numbers it gives them a good revenue but. What if they did that just as a safety barrier that you don't have one revenue source. You have multiple revenue sources but also expand what you can do so right now if they have x amount of money and they can do x. amount of things. What could they do if they if they up expanded their efforts and dove and other things to help protect you know the industry and and some of the laws both the industry and and Submerse so it's definitely something that needs to be put in place so that if show ever goes down for these reasons again and i guess what we don't know as we said your day we'll we'll trade shows ever be what they what they once were around the world not just in our industry but are people going to feel comfortable jamming into a. You've been many times right you know. It's a forty percent of the people that go to show lead was some flu or something before covid You know so. Do those things begin to change over time People around a lot of industries early. Maybe i didn't need a trade show So that if that ship ever sales may make an example fortunately enough people understand the industry in the nsf. Depends on the shot show so there hasn't been a major company that said you know what i'm out of shot i'm just gonna go on my own But in these goes world as you probably know maybe twenty years ago they used to have a show that made joshua look like you know Comparing moby dick to a minnow with nike and under armor and adidas and all the sporting goods companies and then those same companies nike and adidas and reebok all decided. You know what. I don't need to go to this trade show. I don't i don't need it and died in two years so this show that was you know i think it was always in atlanta and the atlanta world congress center is one of the largest convention facilities in the world and it was filled with the the the super show it was called and it went away in two years and could not happen to shot show if if a number of may or three major gun manufacturers dropped down ammo manufacturer and then the next year to more than the next year ten more and then next for you know it's gone so it's and so two to have all your eggs in one basket is definitely a dangerous mode and I think i think we aboard the sf and staff the innocence of have to be thinking that way. What what what do we do. What's what's plan. i. You know tom. I said it. A couple of ways. I said you know i i i think step one they have to open shots. Show up to everybody. Just sell a ticket. I mean it's a joke that you need a ticket to get in. We both know that everybody knows that. Just make it a fee and allow everybody in. That's that would be step one to me. Step two would be developing online programs. Pay walls things of that nature. You know pumping some money into that and to content because content is the commodity of the twenty first century. And i know you alluded to the spoke on that The three developing existential programs. That are one legitimate and can satiate the new gun owner audience and satisfy them. So you know again i. I don't claim to have all the answers. I just think that what the plan now whatever the plan was needs to be scrapped. Because you're absolutely right in this post. Covid era that were in it's terrifyingly obvious in. Maybe the fitness industry was the canary in the coal mine. And we've seen it in other industries where flex magazine died in. The magazines are a precursor to to some of this in some ways. You can't be that late to the game that you're chasing it and like you said you've seen monster shows and i'm sure through your career you've seen monster shows die in two and three and five year spans because brands just ultimately say we don't we don't need to spend because at what number to six say this show doesn't make sense we'd rather just write the five hundred thousand check and call a good you know and nobody would blame you for that. I certainly wouldn't you know it'd be like packing up all that people in shit and feed and everybody it's a pain in the neck but but you know there's other reasons for doing it. They just have to flesh out the the the other areas and that's a flesh them out very quickly. They have to be willing to fail before they succeed. And that's a very simple principle. And i hope that they do. I don't think anyone sits back and hopes tom and the people. I talked to that they fail. It's kind of like you know. What do we really need elon. Musk in the room to figure this out. You know what i mean. Yeah i think it's gotta take some turns to to find some other revenue streams and and find ways to to Do what they do. And you know. I can go back and forth a lot We text a lot. And we talk law and i think there's a fine line between with the with the nss role is and they're they're very good as i said earlier on the back shop if you will what nobody sees and the dirty work You know they do that when they engage and other programs. They've had moderate success if they become the organization that tried to go out there and speak to new gun owners. I'm not sure that's what they're good at. You know it's not something. They've had a tremendous amount of success with so. Does somebody need to do it absolutely. And it is the nra a little wounded right now. Some of the programs they have to to reach new people. Yes they are so. They're not a great position to do that right now. So what we're left with is a lot of individual training facilities. Sig sauer kademi gunsight thunder. Ranch go down the list of local ranges. that's just a an organic effort to try to reach and train new gun owners and that's that's probably not the. That's obviously not the best way to go about this so somebody it'd be nice for somebody to take that on the. Nsf has to really stay focused on their poor Sort of deliverables to protect the industry. And then are they the right ones that had gone. If they can increase the revenue streams through other means and begin to take on create content. All those things they do a little bit of the But i think you really need. Make sure somebody's that should be doing is doing well on his at nsf. I'm not sure But you're right. I think it's just something that they need to understand their role. They need to fund the the most important role i which is which is protecting the industry against the legislation that could bring it down which has a lot of benefits to to end users and consumers and so forth But but who's gonna carry that torch and right now. There's not a number of small sort of second amendment advocate organizations but they're all relatively small and or specialized and the one who's always carried the flag for i is wounded right now For various reasons that you out and everyone knows about yeah. I mean what. I'll jump into the nra they are. They're down but was the move to to spend four and a half million dollars on the georgia election of smart one. Not in hindsight. Right right. I think i think absolutely was the right thing to do And i think the the pieces were all in place to to be successful there. But i think you know unfortunately we you know we had a situation where you know the guy that lost the election. had some unfortunate Strategic situations related to those elections in georgia that hurt that hurt the cause You know all the money that was being poured into there was probably offset by some of the missteps strategically that the executive You know i think in trying to help End up not helping Republicans in georgia didn't show up. You know like they could have To help make sure that we didn't lose those two seats But i i we contribute to it. I mean we wrote a large check to the groups down there trying to run tv ads and and speak to consumers get people out to vote and make sure they understood the situation and that was above and beyond what we did with. Nsf an organic effort to try to get the message out to get out and vote. Georgia how important it was so we wasted some money in that rain when he had a big check. And you lose you know you feel like wow i did. I waste that money It kind of feels that way. But what else can you do. Can you just sit and say well. I hope we win. You can't do that so yeah it was a lot of money And and it's odd because you know in the conservative side of the world raising that money and invest in that market. It's on the other side. They just write checks you at the deep pockets and a lot of money pouring in from other places you know. We've we've we're fighting. We're fighting against a Sort of a infrastructure in the sort of liberal anti gun world. That says we're not gonna you know we're gonna outspend you no matter what. And so That's a great. It's a wasted. Sure feels tough to write that check and lose. But i just don't believe in sitting at least you know. Yeah i mean we were dealt a. She was a terrible candidate. I don't think that's a secret. I mean that they did that to us. You know and that was. That was how it was done. I mean she she was a bad candidate. I mean i had purdue would have been a godsend but it just it worked out that way hindsight yes. It's easy to say you know in hindsight everybody's genius you know after the fact it just you know you would have liked to see some of that money poured into the infrastructure and developing some of the things that we talked about on the nsf side potentially on the nra side for for all intensive purposes But you mentioned the political stuff and just just to touch on it you know how fearful should people really be about this legislation. That could be coming down I i don't think it stands a chance. Because of some of the stuff in it. Tom i i've poured through it But but still gotta stay vigilant right you know i mean god it looks on the surface it looks like a death sentence but but where do you stand on it. And what advice do you give folks when they're trying to go through it and understand it. Yeah i think on alco on twenty seven for instance that such a wide ranging rambling piece of legislation that. I don't think there's a lot of risk in that. That passing it's been proposed by some of the most far left You know legislators that we have and there's a lot of agendas inside of that so most intelligence says that. That's that's not going to be something we have to be concerned about. I never liked to get overconfident You know it's it's dangerous position the overconfident but every all the intelligence that we have from a lot of different concerns. Tell us that that's probably not a situation. That's going to be When that's gonna come to fruition. You know biden over the weekend talked about his four things he wanted to do with Assault weapons bans and high capacity magazine restrictions and of course Removing the protection of awful commerce arms act were were the industry can be you know sued into oblivion for different things and You know and the one. I find i kind of find the humor times like hillary did in her presidential campaign. I want to make sure there's background checks for all gun purposes purchase less that was already alive but of course i threw that in there but sounds good that you don't need a background check to buy a gun i guess somehow but You know. I think those he's doing down while there's one twenty seven out there And then there's just a lot of moving parts right now that As long as filibuster exists a sixty forty vote. I think we're in a fairly safe environment. you know if that were to ever be a fifty fifty vote obviously would be in trouble Right now But you know there's there's is there risk absolutely as they're super short term risk. I hope not is their medium-term risk Yeah there there is but right. Now we don't see a super solid threat come into fruition but man it's all it's it's it's scary close to being something that could really affect says as gun owners and probably not step. One will probably like us not. That's not the worst thing i've ever seen you know that. We made it through the clintons assault weapons ban. And you know we'll figure this out if we have to carry ten round magazines or whatever might happen. You know those. Those are awful but they're not catastrophic. Ryan will ten round magazine and you could still have some some forms of semiautomatic rifles and those kinds of things so you get through that but the fear is if this political environment that we live in today prolonged itself. It's the next step it's confiscate. It's it's the things that could come on the heels of this so not at the things that proposed proposed. Now don't i don't want anybody getting online and sack guy said oh god bad. Because i'm not saying that's her it's horrible. It's an infringement on our freedoms and it's terrible but those are not most scary things out there. The most gary things out there what those could lead to You know it's just be horrific if that was step one and step two step three comes and do we become england who become australia's someday and those are. Those are scary. Things that are that are in play today right and it's frightening to know but what's on the table. Today are are just sort of the precursors to what might happen sometime in the in the future so again. Don't like to be overconfident. But you know Everybody should be diligent and be making sure they're prepared for anything that can happen But i don't think anything on the table today is is at risk of being implemented overnight. If you will you mentioned you know people staying on top of it and staying vigilance saint active. Which i'm all four but you know it's it's hard because it's where do you put your money right. Like where eighty if you've got twenty bucks in your pocket and you wanna give to a good organization and you want to support something you know what are you. What are you support you know. And that's the hard part. I don't even have an answer for that. You know What are you get behind. You have suggestions for people on what makes sense right now and you know. Is it just just by a gun you know. That's what i tell. People just support by purchasing a product. You know. I mean because it's hard that's a hard thing really for the end consumer. What advice do you give them. You know john. You're way smarter than you. Look that i always say the sign of intelligence guys asking a great question when it's hard to answer and you just hit that. What are you saying right now. Look you look really smart. But now that that's a great question because we we are the gun. Companies ammo companies the conversation. We started this this this discussion with you know we're all making money right now. There's a good market and and you know you you. You are thankful when you when you're making money in these kinds of markets and bailey. I obviously talk to our ceo and talked to him just this morning and we have money to invest in the cause and we gave five hundred thousand dollars to to the nsf. Just because we gave a significant six figure donation for the the house in georgia. Just because it's you know because and we have money we're willing to invest in these places but honestly were kind of kind of not sure where the best place to invest that money. As and as i'm too early i just got off of a call with a lot of industry leader saying okay. What where do we. What do we tell what. How do we answer the question. You just you just presented do you give to the second amendment foundation. He gives the nra give to the give to use shooting sports association. Do you do you give to. Who do you know if somebody says. Hey tom who who do. I give money to none of these. Are you know. Most of these are good causes and who who are specialized things between the nsf and other second amendment organizations and the nra people are a little trepidation about giving money to the nra because of all the headlines that are out there right now but right now they are our best you know. They're they have a tagline. That's you know we're america's best Chance for freedom and that's true they will work through these issues Now i don't think there's going to be some startup second amendment or organization that's gonna overtake the nra. They just need to work through these little issues. They're going to or big issues are going through right now and they need to get back on point with what they're good at and you know. The president of the united states elected for years ago You know then. They weren't as successful in helping this time because they were in a tough situation But i think people if you're an nra member. I think you should hold that. I think you should. They'll walk away from the nra. Let's continue support them. you know. Don't walk away from conservation. Groups from from learning bruce from youth groups If you're involved in a gun owners action leagues are state organizations goal. You know keep keep providing more money than ever But right now there's just one place to say let's go give all our money there so it's unfortunate that it's spread out a little bit but You know you had to your point when hopefully when smart people get in a room together they figure things out and that's what this Phone call. i was on a little bit ago was about was a lot of leaders in the industry. Saying how can we help. Organize thoughts about what what we can do. And then what you know. We pass along to the world to house the best way to help. Despite that we're in for. I think there's not a great answer. Great answer i think i think one supporting the brands you love in essence is always a good thing and i think you know. I think the it's just. This is just my belief. I think the brands are going to eventually start to build out their own voices slash faces slash Maybe even legislative arms down the line Not that an entity like sick size doesn't already have people like that like yourself. In many ways that can appeal to higher powers that have the rolodex to appeal to higher powers. But i think that is is something that needs to be done and it speaks to building because as you know not a lot of companies are built out like sig where you literally have a department for your trade shows in in companies. Don't even have. They don't even have marketing departments real marketing department. So building out that internal infrastructure. I think is something that's never a bad thing and that i think companies have to strive to do right now and in doing that at a at a at a company wide level. It's gonna trickle down. And i think supporting the brands and now that they're flush with cash. It's a great time to be doing that. Bring in quality people that can move the argument forward. So you got you got to remember for a long long time. This industry was dominated by a photo on instagram. It's evolving now and you have voices and you have shows like this one and you have people getting out there and being outspoken. And the more that happens more audio takes over and video. Those are just tremendously upside areas. And i think that they're you know they're they're not going to be overlooked by smart brands. Like yourself and i think at some point you're going to start to build those things out. Yeah absolutely strategy. We realized that we have a voice. That's why we have our marketing department. Yeah we can either go spend you know x. zero dollars paying agencies and and and outside firms and sponsor television shows and those kinds of things. Not that we're not doing some of that more and more of our money is going to you know. Develop our own in earl sort of resources so that we can do a ten part series on the new gun owner like we're just launching right now. We just did this. We have we have some of the guys at the academy we have some of the best best is in the world and fire training from handgun willow one all the way up to training special forces teams from all over the world but on that end of our instructors that teach those handgun wanna one classes. We're beginning to push out on a on a broader scale and trying to understand the voice that we have the reach that we have you know. We have one hundred and twenty five thousand legion members. And that's the only way you be a legion members to buy a cig- legion product. Which as you know or not inexpensive products we have a voice to an advocacy group. That's just from sig You know we advertise our camp elision. Pro graham come sick. Bring a gas to spend a week with us spending time with our executives and going to seek academy and touring the factory and all those things and you know and we charge for that and you had to remember and you had to buy it and it's all a dirty ours cheap and they were gone like that and we're you know if code will give us a break here. We're going to try to do that again. this this fall and we we are. We know it will sell out in hours. And so i think we were starting to understand that we have a voice and we have a capability to to speak about things. And you know we we talk. Ron and i and our team here all the time about you know. Let's build a community You know why can't gun company you know build a community like pellet peleton or something you know why. Why do those things and there are there. Examples out there across the world that you know. It doesn't have to be done the same way it used to be done now. Yeah no i think. I think you're absolutely. I love what you just said about. The pelivan thing is the problem is thomas. we both know it goes over. People's heads tremendously in some of those meeting rooms. Because you just have to many of those nice guy hires i mean. It's it's just. It's very hard to get people to wrap their head around some of these concepts even as you know. I've complained to you many times when i have the conversation whether it's about streaming or even about doing a show i is how to build it myself it just you know it's it's hard to you gotta get the right people in the room. And that's the hard part in your one guy you know at the end of the day and i'm a troublemaker. As you know and it's just too hard to to get people to listen to common sense like listen. no you don't understand. This is how a fifteen or eighteen year old is consuming media today. Do you think that's going to change or take a quantum leap in the next twenty years. It's gonna take a quantum leap and if you don't get on board and starts grab that and capture that we cannot live in an era of. Let's give away a free pouch. That can't be that big marketing. Push all the time. It has to evolve in hoste change. I'm i'm going to my left. A superior laying on my desk. That i can remember looking at fifteen years ago sixteen years ago when i joined the industry and the number one way to reach a consumer was gun magazine And when i looked same graph now still on the page but there are a lot of other modern communication methods that have surpassed that there's a number of the men so you know we. We have to begin to think that way that that if if that's you know come that distance in a fairly short period of time. What is that. Look five years down the road you know how. How relevant to the old mediums versus the new mediums And the way people in egypt and the way that you build communities electronically if you will You know those are all things that we have to be Taken into consideration in planning for and and You're right. our industry tends to have a lot of people that you know who kind of always worked. So let's let's keep going with that but they know we have to be evolving and understanding that the traditional methods that we've if we wanna keep sell in a bunch of the guns to aol that are fifty five plus you know we'll keep doing it that way but we wanna million new gun owners Forty percent of which are women. We better do things differently. And that's why. I think one of the most untapped areas is twitch and streaming and in that whole market and the the video game market. It's it's a very untapped area by our industry on harnessed not even looked at by many in in you know we get tunnel vision sometimes as marketers or even as brands and we only tend to look at you know the photo shoot and the instagram or or the twitter or whatever it is that they're on and i think you know companies need to take this as a wake-up call this whole situation and start to take a quantum leap in how they approach marketing and get it not. Everybody has these multimillion dollar budgets. And they can't you know poor a bunch of resources in but there's not you know there's not a lot of to just throw money at things and have it solved easily. You have to have a plan you have to have a system you have to be able to execute it consistently. And it's it's one of the drawbacks of this businesses. It's being run by several ceos that also engineers because they engineered their baby. Tom is you know and Getting engineers to think that way in a creative way in an eighteen month twenty four months. Thirty six timeline is very difficult and it's not an easy batta now. It's definitely a lot of people in the industry that it's an. It's an engineering driven company. It's a an idea of and there's a lot of that around and we. We need to overcome that and You're a more modern ways to communicate where we're in a tough spot right. Now is a lot of the things that even the even some of the old school things that had some moderate success now are are either at great risk or gone and so we're almost being forced into it like you. You asked me that great question earlier you know. What should people be supporting right now. And so we should take it on his responsibility to to filling that gap How do we reach new tattoo. We build affinity groups you know. How do we get people communicating. How do we get people. You know competing against each other. You know that. Live in You live in virginia and that live in colorado. You know at the same time they can look tonight when they go home and pull up their their affinity group you know for for shooting. How can they say well. I i out shot somebody that i was shooting against tonight in colorado and i'm being a little facetious but not really i think there's other industries are our interests or hobbies. That have figured out how to do that. I mean You know. I mentioned peleton early but you know maybe fit is an example and again that was early technology but in a lot of people they were. They were Oh my gosh. i didn't beat my best friend who lives in three states over. It's all better. Go walk around the block. Four more times you get more steps in today and so it was. It became a real thing. People trying to make sure they were walking more than their fit. Bit club or whatever. So why can't we doing those same kinds of programs In our world with guns to get some all g out there that connects people all over there american. Well i don't want to keep you know your phone's ringing and you got a million things going on but you left me with a few kernels as you always do that. I have to go back to the drawing board and realize. I'm not the smartest person in the room all the time but here. Here's where i'll put it you. You are tremendously innovative thinker. The industry you know needs you now more than ever. Tom and it needs a leader more than ever. And you're always gracious and everybody listening. Tom knows and everybody. I'm an asshole but tom is always there to say. I'll come on the show. I'll tell you know he's always willing to put the time in says. No i've never heard the man say no to be honest with you. I've never heard of no. Not that i know of i appreciate that. And you're tremendously gracious. What your time. And i'm not trying to fluff you but because you know i've i've said some shit you know problem being honest i know that. Yeah so I enjoy going on. Because i like. I said i don't mind being in a really honest for him You know obviously we try to try not to onto many toes here but at the same time we owe it to the people that support our our company With to people that are looking for answers of how do i. How do i do more to contribute to this. This danger that we're in as a as a a a bunch of like minded people to support the second amendment all of our freedoms you know how to we have we all stick together and find solutions. So that's why i like to do this. And i like to. You know whether. I said today makes a difference or makes any sense. We have to try to keep trying to do some things and and I enjoy a format like you with somebody who's willing to ask questions and sometimes you and a lot of times you and i agree and and sometimes we disagree. But that's what life is about. And like i said i hadn't really thought about oddly enough. I thought about the question that will you ask. Hey tell people what they should do. I don't even have a good answer for that. And that makes me go away and think about. What can i do to answer that question. Better unite both know the stuff you said to me will result in about fifty text messages in the next forty hours. Of course it. So you know you leave a always leader colonel out there and it's important and i think you know to touch on what you said. I think the industry does lack that open and honest dialogue and it's been craving it for a really long time and people shouldn't fear it. It's okay to have a conversation. It's okay to have an open honest dialogue and put some things out there. Get it you know like you said. We try to be respectful. We try to be honest. I always try to be respectful. Because i view it as in terms of bringing up people in companies and breath. I it's i if they're not here to defend themselves. I try to be a realist about that. Like okay. they're not here. I can't i can only throw so much dirt on somebody or whatever. So i understand that like i want. I want anybody else. I wanna fight someone face to face. I don't know. I don't want to throw them out but the reality is just having these open and honest. Dialogue the industry's craving it. We have to get beyond just a a blog. Post or You know a photo on instagram. Or that stuff is not what we are where we're way better critical thinkers and we're way better people and i think getting the story out there and putting i wanna try to add some credibility to you if anybody ever thinks you're not telling the truth if anybody ever wonders about whether he says oh. We text all the time and we talked with each other live. We we go back and forth in the back and forth and it's real we. We have this dialogue about you. Know he calls me out. I call him out and and That's that's what we need to do. We need to challenge each other because the end we all know we're trying to accomplish the same thing and you know the respect i have for you. It's just it goes without saying. I think what you're doing is is great and you're one person at the end of day one fricken person. It's like minded thinker. But you one person and that's just the reality you know you've got a great team around you. You know. I think the world some of the folks there jason hannah some of the crew and of course you know respect iran for bringing it together but I love what you guys do. It's home for me. Everybody knows that. And i look forward to what comes next now. I don't know how you dig out of this. The snow included in that. You know but i mean bad. Yeah it's coming down hard right now. So we're but i my thoughts go out to the people that are not per well prepared for all this going on right now especially in texas. I know they're dealing with it and I lost a guest this week. Who was stuck in nashville Less shooter team. Usa shooter she. She got stuck in nashville because they had never seen snow like that. You know they get like five inches and they were like shut the world out so it's not easy but i you know i thank you. Tom and i wanna i want to give you the last word. Let everybody know what's coming next and you know what a wait for. We're going to keep we've actually kinda slowed process. Just because we'd rather make more guns not slower factory down because that's what everyone needs right now but but we definitely have some new platforms coming. Mp three sixty five that are going to be really exciting You know the cross rifle hit a little there in worshiping again on that And that's super demand the hasn't heard our demand at all So the cross rifles gonna come in a lot of new variants in the near future and my my next hunting season will have a lot of really cool new stuff and then later this year. We've got a major launch coming on a product that's going to be super bowl is about half a day shooting. A cer- prototypes of a new product. It'll be launching later this year and And like i said we're just we just continue to to try to innovate and you know with with the military contracts continuing to roll roll in. We just one. You follow this tango six. Just one big army after whatever. It's been sixteen years. Replacing the cog with a tango six And then we'll learn later this year. The result of the machine the new machine gun project for the us army Which will filter down to the rest of the us military and military all over the world so lot going on and as you know ron invest a lot innovation and so that's our to Sort of point says we'll continue to innovate and deliver those products. And at the same time we are trust that we we the industry sig and a lot of other companies. I that you'd be hard pressed to name a major company that wasn't on the call just prior to this and you're sorry about how we all do the right thing to make sure that we're protecting the snuck 'em says americans and and So that's the those are the two things will be working on. I appreciate it in I don't think i need to tell anybody where to find. Sager how to look them up. I think everybody knows they're on instagram. And they're everywhere on youtube and You know pretty much the website. I'll tell you everything you need to know head over to six hour and check them out. 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180-Azorean Folklore: Power

Myths and Legends

39:37 min | 1 year ago

180-Azorean Folklore: Power

"Quick disclaimer this. Become the podcast. There's mentions of sexual assault. Please take out the Post on myth. Podcasts DOT COM for more information this week on myths and legends. It's the story of a magical island in the Atlantic and the reason why you shouldn't trust the devil when it comes to dating the creature this week is your nasty dish towel. Seriously do laundry or else it will show you just how much it doesn't like being a nasty dish towel by rubbing itself in your face. This is myths and legends episode. One eighty power. This is a podcast retell stories from mythology and folklore. Some are incredibly popular stories. You think you know but with surprising origins others are stories that might be new but are definitely worth listen. Today's stories alleged set news source the islands in the middle of the Atlantic which are part of Portugal. It set in the eighth century. Eighty so at the very start of the Middle Ages for some context. We're less than one hundred years. The Viking Age Romans gone fractured into dozens of smaller kingdoms. Mostly run by Germanic tribes. That took down the empire the Byzantine Empire's brought to hit its golden age. And what used to be the eastern Roman Empire and most important to our story. The Islamic Caliphate is about to hit the peak of its power throughout northern Africa and the Middle East. Even though today story belongs to the folklore of the source we are going to start on the islands. We're GONNA start in Portugal with an annoying little rich kid who is a pretty the worst You could get anything in the city if you had the money and genus. You had the money. He stood alleyway talking to a worker caked in dirt. The one dragging a bag. Was it all here. The men nodded. Yes Gymnasia wanted him to take it all the way to the university himself. It was a long walk. The streets in the bag was heavy. The other physicians usually wanted it taken straight to the tables. Gymnasia didn't answer him as a candidate. The money you are going to the university aren't you Gymnasia paused? When he arrived at the correct some and then kept counting the worker in the eyes and handed in the gold. Giogio grab the sack. Hefted over shoulder started his walk. When Ma'am finished counting he looked this way and that and said that the stranger could call him anytime. You want it anytime. He needed a body The first time was a struggle not the actual magic neck romance. He was surprisingly easy. I shoot a master. He had found the old tomes buried deep in the collections of one of his father's friends the others and soon he assembled knowledge which no person should ever possess the first time a body came to life on his table. In half garbled screams. She nauseous. Elation was quickly overmatched by his fear fear of his father's servants. Here in the scuffle. Fear at this half human creature. He just brought to life on the table. He tried to reason with it but it was afraid gymnasia was able to get behind it and with his arm wrapped around its neck. Made Shirt never felt fear again. The first time ended up being the only time the next day. More thome scheming for more rich men half a world away from those tomes. Gina Gio assembled something far more interesting for an eighteen year. Old Playboy. A few simple words tiller to the right time and place in movement of the stars and any woman he wanted was his she would hear the words and she will be completely under his power. She would wake up the next day at a time and place of Joshua's choosing and remembering nothing of the stranger with whom she spent the night Gina. Gio couldn't help himself. It was so easy to easy. He would sit down across the table from a beautiful young woman struck up a conversation and in mere words she would be his he would order her to rise and they would go back to his place she would do whatever wished the next morning he would tell her to go back home. Go to sleep and remember nothing Gina. Gio could've been careful. He could have worked his actual magic a few towns over or gone travelling abroad. He knew spells to make wealth from nothing but that was more work than simply asking his father who had always found pain as son preferrable to raising him and nausea was careful that I at first he would tell the young woman to meet him in an alley behind his house and cloak at midnight knock thrice in his apartment door and all that but after months of careful and festivities planning for every woman he slipped up he accidentally had a woman. Full him out of a party while her husband was away getting a drink he slipped up but nothing happened not for him. At least the last he heard the woman had been publicly beaten and condemn to a monastery. The man was some merchant so even though he knew who Giogio was. It's not like he can do anything about it. So Gymnasia relaxed a little bit. And then a bit more. He was challenging himself to see how praising he could be. When it came to seducing women though that's not really the term for it clear Laura woman away from her peasant husband standing right next door Harriett. Could you make the man say something that will make the wife one leave her own volition? Throughout the day should nausea studied and each night? He would try out. His new tricks always keeping things interesting himself. There was one night a party. He had learned to work his magic with touch on the shoulder and nothing more so he walked around the Party with one touch to touches three. He was ready to leave. He excused himself an accident. The Back Alley. Giogio saw three forms waiting for him and held at his arms ladies. They took his arms and nearly tore them off as the jerked him into the shadows he was about to command them to stop on a gag forced. Its way in between his teeth. It was then that he realized the silhouettes were much larger than he was expecting these or the women the him Josh. You heard Genaro shook his head but another wrench up into the light. Yep this is him. The men started in working out every frustration on Joshua's soft body. They weren't merchants or nobles willing to go through the courts to settle the embarrassment of an unfaithful spouse. They were men who had taken their crying wives into their arms men who believed the women when they said that they didn't know what happened. Men who had been watching gymnasia for weeks learning his every move and seen him night after night woman after woman. There wasn't any justice for them. So they were GonNa make their own justice. Snowshoe tried to cry out as he felt his ribs breaking has fists and then boots found his eyes and face. He breathed a sigh of relief when they stopped. When he heard we done here. He realized his relief was premature. Though when he saw the flash of a knife they didn't stop until blood pooled around Giogio in the streets. It was over. Giogio heard the clang of the knife. The feet stop off. He couldn't lift his head to see them go. He can only stare up at the night sky feeling death and the creeping panic come to find him. He remembered the first and last corpse yet reanimated. They're short rebirth. Hemmed in on either side by terror darkness and death and the sheer horror. They seem to feel coming from it. Going back to it Josh. You knew that heaven wasn't waiting for him. He hoped for oblivion for nothingness. He knew though he knew where he was going. He had commune with the Devil. When he had learned magic he knew the cost of his art with his final words before the darkness found him. He pleaded with God begging for forgiveness. He knew his body was past the point of saving but he prayed his soul wasn't jazz is up until the light. His first thought was that he wasn't heaven when he felt the searing pain from his face chest and abdomen. He thought that he was in Hell when he saw the priest washing his wounds and changing his bandages. He knew that he was somewhere. In between prayer God had hurt him. He learned that he had been asleep for a week. He tried to run his fingers through his hair but found that it had been shorn off so the priest could get the wounds underneath looked down and found that he was wearing a simple habit. His clothes have been shredded by the Dagger Sh- nausea. He had been saved inside now. He was a new man. God had spared his life and from this day forward. He would be different for those first. Few months genealogy refused to tell anyone his name he would hear bits from outside the monastery. How back in the city? Some young noble at finally got more coming to him that his body was probably somewhere in the river or beneath the tree in the forest. Good Riddance Zhangzhou couldn't agree more. He didn't correct the errors because it was like he. He died on that night he had been punished for a since and he passed through crucible he was forgiven by God and he was a new man when he was able to walk he went to work in the monastery. He said that he didn't have anything to his name which was technically true. All his money his house everything. It had been his father's his father who was no doubt trying to distance himself from the reputation of a son. Who bewitched half the women in town and the disappeared. He put that same intellect that it helped him grow in the ways of the devil to the mysteries intricacies of theology. He consecrated himself for God joining the Christian Church and devoting himself completely to the study and Propagation of God's word he worked among the needy. He built schools healed the sick and no one ever suspected that the kind priest and train could ever be the monster that plugged young woman from their lies to use them to his own ends. Miracles were different from his old magic. Miracles came through belief. There was nothing about his own power but because he knew the darkness he knew the power of the light through his good works. Miracles an inexhaustible knowledge of theology became first bishop and then the archbishop. It was at this time years after he became archbishop and nearly a decade. After you've been found dead in the street that he heard a cry he was up late one night and the Cathedral train when he heard thought at the door he ignored it and continued on but not ten minutes later. A cry found. Its way through the thick would he rose rushed to the entrance clean. Open the doors and finding a baby girl shivering and screaming in the darkness genus. You didn't look for anyone in the distance watching to see if the baby is taken in he scooped the girl helter close to warmer We'll see how this baby changes nauseous life and how the good times are quickly cut short but that will be read at this second home. Feeling isolated worried about the state of things. I mean. We don't know what's going to happen. We don't know how long it can be like this. It's easy to feel anxious and isolated. Well better help offers online professional counselors. Who can help you can talk to license online therapist and find relief. Better help therapists specialize in issues such as depression stress anxiety relationships insomnia family conflicts and more you connect with your counselor in a safe and private online environment. Anything you share is confidential. 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She was so sweet he knew. Never make up for what he had done but he was great. Got To add something wonderful to this world by raising her. She called Him Dad too and everyone knew what that meant that the girl who lived at the Cathedral wasn't the Archbishop's actual daughter they couldn't imagine such a man as the archbishop ever doing something so untoward as you know breaking his vows should nausea raised her with love the attention that he never had and for a time they were happy and then the invasion they were just rumors. At first the invaders of the Iberian Peninsula a predominantly Muslim people call the Moore's for flooding across the street to the south from Africa. Rodrick the king of the visigoths had fallen conquerors. Were no doubt. Swarming north pillaging making the streets. Run Red with blood. Heads on pikes. Burn churches to the ground. You know your standard medieval conquering package. Archbishop. Joshua called his Paris's together in the face of their complete annihilation. There was only one thing they could do flee the conquerors were coming north and it would only be a matter of time before they watched everything they cared about. Burn everyone they love Preston to slavery or killed. Joshua cared about his parishioners. He loved his daughter. He wouldn't let anyone die here if you could do something about it. Every last coin from Archbishop Georgios Church and each of the six underneath them when into buying a fleet of ships enough to take anyone who wanted to come across the sea. Which as a quick aside let me be super clear was completely insane. It wasn't until much later than the eighth century. The Europeans were traversing the open sea. They mainly stuck the coastlines. Because without certain technology you can figure out latitude longitude and safely navigate. Yeah the Greek sailed a ton. But if you've ever been in the Aegean you'll notice that it seems like you're constantly in view of an island at this time. If they thought about it who knows what was out there so that should give you some idea of genius complete desperation but they did it. They sailed nausea stood on the deck and the salty air whipped through his hair as the clash of what remaining visigoths warriors remained. Garrisoned in the town wrung out across the waves. He smiled he had done it. They had escaped. He took his daughter into his arms and looked out on the horizon. He was ready no matter what God had in store for him. Across the sea he could take solace knowing that he had saved his people from a here to for unanticipated. Seven hundred ish years of religious tolerance. You see any year seven eleven. A Christian ruler crossed the Strait of Gibraltar. To seek help from a nearby governor in North Africa the visigoths had invaded from the east. Few hundred years ago in the local populations were chafing under their rule. According to Legend so seven thousand soldiers led by General Tariq bin Ziyad Linden. The south of what is now modern day Spain at a place called Jebel Tariq an Arabic phrase I know doubt butchered meaning the rock of Tariq Jabballah Tariq would later be the source of the word Gibraltar. Anyway the Muslim forces from Africa quickly conquered the Iberian Peninsula made it as far as goal there consolidated kingdom which burke nearly seven hundred years of Muslim rule and with it relative religious tolerance the concrete forces were seen as tolerant from a early medieval conquering forces standard not really interested in imposing their religion on others they were comparatively more generous than the goths that being said medieval religious tolerance is very different than what you think about when you hear the term today non. Muslims during this time ball. They could continue practicing. Their religion weren't slaves and weren't forced in a special locations. They weren't considered second class. Citizens had to wear special badge in their clothing had strict restrictions when building churches our synagogues worn allowed to carry weapons. Mary Muslim Women Give Evidence in court. And they weren't allowed to try and convert Moslems after those many qualifications though yet to think about it in the context of the time. We're still eighty two years away from the Viking slaughtering monks at Lindisfarne. Another prominent culture clash that century and when the Muslim forces landed at Gibraltar the people of the peninsula had already been conquered by the visigoths a Germanic tribe. That had bought the Romans when they were still a thing. I have found differing reports on exactly how life was under visigoths rule in Spain. Some saying that they were hard masters while others remarking that they supported and encouraged the Catholic Church. But even with all the issues mentioned before the conquering forces weren't forcing conversions and people could continue worshiping as they saw fit so even though the bar for religious tolerance in the Middle Ages is not a high one the conquering Moore's as they're called more than cleared but our story isn't about what happens Spain Portugal. It's about what happened. When Archbishop Giorgio took his people and sailed West remember? This was nearly eight hundred years before fourteen. Ninety two for all they knew they were sitting out across the wide ocean with nothing but their prayers to guide them but their prayers dig guide them and in a couple of weeks. An island rose on the horizon as their feet touch sold land for the first time in weeks. They couldn't believe how much they have been blessed. It was green verdant thriving a paradise untouched by human hands. Their very own eden to shape however they liked they had discovered the source. These ores are an archipelago nearly a thousand miles west of Portugal. The Atlantic about a quarter of the way to North America. They were discovered about six hundred years ago. By Portuguese monk Shahnaz unit ships had found one of the smaller islands. A massive mountain surrounded by fertile forests. It was uninhabited. But resources were abundant and has the travel-weary pilgrim's disembarked praising God Archbishop Giorgio smiled. They were home Giogio called Depaz his daughter. She was just be on the Portico. It took her awhile to climb the Stairs Service. Not because she was incapable but because there were so many of them on. Pas arrived at her father study the Archbishop's stood and took his daughter into his arms. The Chino what today was PAS. Smiled her birthday today. She was twenty five. It had been a short two decades. It had been hard of course and they lost a few when they came ashore because virtually no one knew how to survive on a completely deserted. I'll and that seemed like an oversight when it came to escaping by sea but they pushed through and after the first year when their lives and food supply stabilized. They found a rhythm. In this new Eden. The seven leaders six bishops in the Archbishop came together with declaration seven cities for seven bishops. They had enough that a few hundred go with each group. The found each city the lion's share would stay with the man who have made it all possible archbishop. Sergio the Good Shepherd would save his flock. He would have the crown jewel of the island. The capital Sh- nausea about his head. Thank them and they went to work. They mind they cut down trees. They formed cathedrals roads to walk between the cities the bishops were like brothers and all of them had unwavering. Respect for Joshua's authority. Some no walls were needed for twenty years they built and now I'm PAS twenty fifth birthday. It was not her actual birthday but the anniversary of the day she came to live with. Giogio. It was all finished with the blessing of God. They had built seven cities a paradise on earth where people lived in peace and devotion. Geology is long grey. Beard fluttered in the wind as he found pause by the door. What does she want for birthday? The girls smile but didn't answer Shinozuka. Smile soured no no. No PAS took her father's hands rough from working the forests and fields alongside his church he pulled them from her looked out the window. She just wanted to know a little. She was so young when they left. What was it like before? She had spoken to our mates but they were scared of him. She nausea knew about the maids. They come to him first. He said they had nothing to be scared of. If they fall. God's will and by listening to him they follow God's will look why does she want to know what it was like the stories from the word of God? It was so much worse now. Us The world out. There was hard horrifying place. Even the best people lied cheated hurt others some murdered at a flash SH- nausea was back in his house. He was eighteen again. The corpse was flailing his arms. He blinked and he was back. He said that some of them commune with the Devil himself. And even knowing about such things at it changes you this this island. It was a wonderful peaceful pure place. The had been spared so much pain here and he wouldn't have her bringing the ghosts of the past here. Pas Hunger head it would never happen for her would it? They were all too scared of him. She would never get married. Choose a woman now. She been woman for years. A life in a convent was one that a lot of people found fulfilling but she didn't want that life she wanted Josh. You didn't hear the rest. He was again back in his youth with his countless spells spells that he used to drag women from their happy lives to destroy their happy lives with his lust. The things he made them do ruin that he left. He thought of his little girl and thought of the man he used to be he could never ever let her come in contact with the outside world. Dad Pot screamed rousing Giogio from thought the man was back on the island his daughter glaring at him. She just shook her head and stormed off. He didn't see her for the rest of that night but his friends among the servants kept him prized for movements. Still as he laid in bed that night he knew this wasn't going. Away has a show of faith for got it brought them what he had provided the bishops ordered the ships be stripped news for supplies. One of the cathedrals in the southern cities had been built almost completely from ship. There will be no leaving this island certainly not going back to the mainland. But what if people came here on the night said he could sleep should nausea was plagued by visions of a boat on the horizon. The clear day and the caravel with across emblazoned on at sales there there was Ann Arbor night grinning and taking pause into his arms. Shasha stood there in the ruins of his beautiful paradise. It had been a million to one shot getting out here. No one sailed on the open ocean. But what if someone did? What if a storm blew ship out to see? If the world they escaped came looking for them they would remember their bearings. They would find a way back if not one the next the next she would never be safe. Everything would fall apart. Shasha sat up in bed. His heart pounding there was something he could do shook his head now. That eat stop doing that. That wasn't God. He took a deep breath. Calm himself before. Before have been to sin. It had been because of his lust. Now though all these people all these people were like sheep they'd lived twenty years in perfect peace trust. He was doing this for them for her. His soul could bear that weight. It had to bear that weight for his people. It would just be one more time. He had done so much worse with the magic before and God had forgiven him. It would just be one more time. The spell was a simple one. Hit the implements on hand on the night of the next full moon. It was done. They were safe the island and those around it were cloaked. Unless you're ship was literally running aground on the island you would just be looking at the open ocean no matter how hard the world searched the island. His island would remain in Eden hidden from serpents As the weeks then months passed gymnasia stood relishing his position power more. He stopped going into the city. He was an old man now he can rest in comfort and let those lesser than him to the hard day to day work and just for fun. He started remembering more of his old tricks. He was still plagued by dreams of the ship but knowing that his power was complete. He just laughed at the idea. That cross emblazoned caravel coming toward the island. It always came toward it but it never landed and it never woodland. She would never be taken from him. His island would be his and he would do everything in his power to ensure that pass finally settled down near the best way to get her father. Stop speaking to her was to bring up the outside world so she let it go. She decided to be content on her island. This was her life and she was blessed. It was a good one a happy one. She didn't need to know what life was like before knowledge of good nevil only brought ruin for Adam and eve and it would be the same for her to. She was happy there. She told herself she was happy there. Then she saw the ship they all saw it. It was speeding toward land. Armor glinting on board sales it sales were emblazoned with the Cross. The people were cheering and waving Gina. Gio looking out from his palace smirked. Nothing to worry about. He didn't know how ship made it this far out but they would never see his island. His magic was too powerful. Then the glints on board. The ship crowded toward the edge. They were looking at something they they adjusted their course they were now heading straight for his capital Archbishop. Gymnasia shook his head and it's math. No the people on board should be outside of range. They shouldn't be able to see the island. There was no reason for them to adjust course then he thought about it like his people. These have been lead here. If they truly came from God there was fighting it. He sat back in his head. They could see the island it. It was over then. Joshua Fulda courage rising from within him. He was sure Xio he had learned magic necropsy in given it up. He had survived being stabbed only to give himself over to the church and rise until he was having dinner with the Pope. He saved his people from destruction wants and he would do so again. He looked on the horizon. This could be from God but if it wasn't he still had time. He packed up his things and made his way to the beach. Josh you pass the rejoicing crowds. After so many years got had brought them others should now. She didn't acknowledge them shoved his way past. Time was the enemy. They Washington tracing out the shapes in the sand shrieking profane words and invoking Schnauzer. You could feel the people crying out screaming for him to stop but the sky darkened. The clouds gathered over his head. He felt it once again. The power no one could stop him power surge through him as he bent even the demons to his will spell begin to assemble itself in his mind and he cried out that the silent his cities would be hidden where no one would ever find them then. The clouds cleared the presence left him and he collapsed on the sand with a smile knowing that he was finished he looked up weekly to his parishioners. You're welcome but he looked back to the ships. They were still coming. Why were they still coming? The Island was hidden. It was forever beyond their reach then. They all heard the first explosions. Josh looked up. Black smoke was gathering of the mountains lava flow from its peak. The mountain was a volcano and because of Asia Spell. It was erupting in under an hour. The shorelines were packed. Chanel Zhou's dream came true cross emblazoned sales that have been led to the island by God would never land there will be mobbed now so they docked off shore were only the very brave risk. The swim out into the deeper waters. Xinzhou didn't try to escape. He sat in his palace. Has the smoke choked him in the lava flow down the mountain? Sh- nausea died praying and a catastrophe of his own making mere hours before his island was consumed by the lava. The few survivors. That made it to the caravels told the story though he would never live to see. It should nausea spell was successful his island into cities or hidden in a place where no one would ever find them If you're paying attention you'll notice that let it slip. The source discovered six hundred years ago today. Story takes place almost forty nine years ago so after the Caravelle picked up as many survivors as they could and went back to Portugal. No-one found the islands again for centuries and there are some anachronisms in today's story some sap from Asia she'll Guinea shot pistols six hundred years before firearms existed in Europe and some that were kind of unavoidable like caravels not being developed until the fifteenth century. I really enjoyed the story in the beginning. Shenzhou was undeniably terrible but after his near death experience I hope that he had changed and he probably thought that he changed. In fact I do believe that it was fear not malice that led to his return to his old ways. Those two fateful times he wanted to protect people in this paradise that they built the most important of which being his daughter no one is the villain of their own story. Internatio might have said that he had resorted to magic because he didn't want her falling prey to men will men like he had been. It's always hard to say what a character's motivations are. Is Tornado like Walter. Way doing everything for his family. Only to reveal later that he did it for himself because he liked to feel powerful or was truly being altruistic try and keep the outside world away from his people and his daughter a couple scattered points to he was weirdly controlling. His daughter's love life. Like I know that's a thing but summoning the powers of Hell and monkey pulling your way into a volcanic eruption. That's a whole other level into. I love a good redemption story where someone tries and maybe even fails because the human but he kinda got off. Scot free for all of his crimes sure he got stabbed but he never really had to answer for them in any way before becoming archbishop parenting look. I know. Parenting is difficult but when it comes to talking to your older children I would imagine that being honest about your faults and fears and preparing them for the world versus blowing up an island. It's probably good to go with the first one and quick plug if overbearing magician. Dad's islands is your thing. We covered Shakespeare story of that. The tempest on fictional and fun announcement to new episodes fictional are gonNA drop next week. Finally sell be on the lookout for those if you're not still subscribed to it. Basically shuts the creature. This time is the nea-ri the white winder from Japanese folklore. So in my youth and my bachelor's I might not have been the best about kitchen. Cleanliness maybe things get a little messier than they should have been. Maybe towels when the little longer between washes than they should have but seriously I didn't know the danger that lurked in mildewed smelly towels except the very obvious. Danger foodborne illness to myself and others as we've talked about when things exist for too long in Japanese folklore. They can come to life dish. Towels or rags are a little different because their life threshold isn't how many years they live. But how nasty they are so when it's literally grown moldy mildewed enough your dish towels come to life and it's not like the Japanese creatures that come to life and just kind of dance around and sing or something this one attacks you and wanting you to feel the full weight of your poor decisions it goes straight for your face and you can't avoid it. The Weight Winder wants to be washed and to let you know just how bad it smells. It will take the form of a dragon and fly around your kitchen looking for a face to wrap itself around it or wrap. It's old slimy smelly body around. Someone's face until they pass out from the stench when you wake if you wake because that's the thing next year grimy town for the kitchen your next step needs to be doing some laundry or burning the towel. I probably just burn the towel. That's it for this week. Myths and legends is by Jason and Chris visor. Our theme songs by the band broke for free and the creature the week music is by Steve. Combs their links to even more music in the show notes. Thank you so much for listening and I'll see next time.

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I'm elizabeth new camp. I write the home. School and family travel blog. dutch dutch. goose. I'm the mom to three little. Who's nine oliver who seven and teddy. Who's four and we live in colorado springs. And i am isaac butler. I am a writer and the co host of slates working podcast with father of iris eight. Six we all live in brooklyn new york. Thank you for joining us again. Is their size to have on the show. Always a pleasure to be today. We're gonna be counseling a family. Who's got new downstairs. Neighbors and not even twenty four hours after moving. These new neighbors have already sent a potentially passive aggressive about their little boys noise level. What to do what to do. Then we'll be answering a question about little girl who wants to quit soccer. Her parents tapper sitting on the bench for a few games. But is that the best way to teach a kid about commitment and on slate. plus we'll be debating if the slower pace of life will stick around after the pandemic or if we're going to be signing our kids up for all of the activities to make up for lost time but first triumphant fails is like. Why do you have for us on your triumphant. Hopefully return to the show. I have a triumph fight thing but it is not a solo triumph by any means. Which is that you know. Vaccination rates are going pretty well here in new york city and cova rates are going down and we have sort of It is safe away as we feel comfortable with giving that irises. Six and can't get vaccinated. We're we're like starting to do normal life stuff again you know like. We took her to the metropolitan museum of art. We went to a masked party in a friend's back yard and had pizza. She jumped on a trampoline and stuff like that and it just feels totally great. It feels so fucking good and it is a a a real triumph to be able to do all that stuff. I feel like a collective one that i hope. Our listeners are beginning to experience or or will experience. Soon as the. I feel a little bit of triumph. Everyday that i'm able to see somebody outside of my home especially with a mask on. Yes absolutely absolutely. I say this recording you know with an eighteen inch by eighteen inch space in my bedroom Speaking into this microphone that is hung off a piece of furniture on a boom stand. You know it's nice to get out and it's very nice to get out. I absolutely understand. It's nice to be back kind of real world and getting the kids back out to totally you know it's been gradual because again it's like she can't vaccinated so she can still get sick. And you know we were so emphatic. About wearing a mask everywhere which was a good thing. But there's a little bit of a germaphobe. That's that's resulted. You know because of that and so you know negotiating to ease back in in a way that's gonna make all three of us. Comfortable has been a process. But it's been working out that is great to hear is what about you. Elizabeth triumphant fail. So i have a triumph. We have fully moved into our house for the most part. The movers came on friday and it was like total chaos and just boxes coming into the housen trying to find a way to feel settled. Because we've basically been out of the house for over a month now living in kind of different hotels and traveling here and being with my parents a little bit. So when i was setting up the kids rooms like i have a tendency to just like manage. Everything like this goes here. Put this here. But since they are a little bit older. And i wanted them to really feel some ownership over this house and so i put out like a furniture was kind of set. What was going into the room but like we put out all the pictures and all the books as we were unpacking and gave them little bags and let them like go. Go shopping within our stuff to set up their rooms and they made some really like surprising. Fund decisions like henry chose a bunch of like more artistic prints or art that we have around the house to his room. And as opposed to some of the more kiddo prints that we had in the past and they chose like really fun books to stock their shelves and it was just a nice way to let them take some ownership blake without the chaos of trying to to a store shop online like that instant gratification and it was just really fun like watching them set up and then choosing where to hang things and all of that so we had a good time kind of setting up a little store and and letting them get settled so their rooms are all set up and then the rest of the house is still a bit of a disaster. But i think they're feeling settled. And that was kind of the goal your ability to make literally anything a fun family activity. Well thanks for. I think sometimes when we're when we're moving around and there's so much chaos. I'm trying to think like well. How can i. How can i make this fun. And who doesn't love shopping right but you have to be okay with the crazy decisions. You know like when your kid wants. The framed print that that painting that usually goes in the living room. I had to be like okay. Cool going to say. No one claimed your wedding photo for the for the nightstand. There were any other offer. Selections that put you in a weird position. No but i mean you know. I gave me a real glimpse at which children are the most narcissistic like which took all the pictures of themselves and other things. That is wonderful. We'll congratulations on getting settled. That is a triumph all itself. And i'm glad that the kids are having fun participating in a moving into a new place I have a triumph this week as well. I think i may have mentioned that. My mother is in town for about a month. I asked her to come. i guess. Maybe i invited her. Almost two months ago was just like look. I can't do this anymore. i need some help. I the zoom school thing was a complete disaster for me. I did not have the capacity to work and supervised naima while she was in virtual class and some kids are really good at self management for that stuff and my child will be doing anything but she'll have other tabs open. She'll be drying just be spaced out like she needs someone there to keep an eye on her The teacher was in the best she could. But you know it kinda fell on the adult who is in the house who is me. I was usually trying to hide in the closet and like make a podcast so anyway i asked my mother to come but then right when she's getting ready to come. We decided to send her back to in person. School like the parents were vaccinated. Things just kind of changed a little bit. There are only a handful of kids from her class. Flying back she ends up in person school and so i didn't i was kind of like You know. I mean it's great having grandma here but you know the thing that we'd really need it like we didn't actually you know like i didn't have to bring a hair this long. I just kind of you know moved. Everybody's schedule around for this or whatever and so then Naima ended up staying here a couple of days and doing school with my mother watching and like for the first time in the entire school year and every day since then. She has played roadblocks with her classmates. Name has like completely rejected all and so she got into the physical classroom like she was not doing any sort of social interaction with the other kids. Like i'd say why don't you talk to them during lunch. Why don't you play games within during breaks. I don't like the games. They're playing. I don't want to talk to them. And like somehow just a few days of like having grandma holding her hand her class and keeping her focused she's like exchanging phone numbers with kids like she has bonded with her classmates. So that is i. Guess the combination of returning to in person school where there's like three of them in the class and then this The triumph is that my daughter is like socializing with kids again. So as isaac was saying this slowly reopening world has a whole lot of triumph for us. All right about now. That's awesome and your mom is her favorite so she just needed that boost. That is true. She is the like favorite person in the entire world. She went to her dad's house for a couple days and then she came back here last night and i went downstairs together and she gave me a hug. And oh hi mommy and you know very chipper and like when she gets into the apartment she balls in my mother's arms if she just gotten back from sailing across the world. We know eight by herself. It was so dramatic and like she likes them back for a minute and they loved and she just fell into her arms again like she just couldn't believe the jews really there so yes she. She's doing great with her favorite person so really my triumph was bringing my mother to california. That's all. I had to do to make this kid happy. You asked for what you need you know and and it worked. It's amazing and absolutely worked. I'm very grateful before we get into anything else. Less handled some business. Hey if you haven't already. what are you doing. Subscribe to the show. It won't cost you anything and the episodes will appear in your podcast app every thursday. And hey if you'd like to hear our show without any ads and with a bonus segment on every episode sign up for slate plus today. We'll be discussing the parts of our pandemic schedule. We'd like to stick around and how things might change for our kids extracurricular plans when the pandemic comes to an end if it comes to an end. 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We heard noises downstairs realize that the neighbors were home. My husband and i agreed to go downstairs to introduce ourselves next morning before we could. My husband went for a bike ride in the morning and when he came back. Home are downstairs. Neighbor opened the front door and said with no introduction or niceties so you must be the new upstairs neighbors. You have kids. I imagine a little boy now. We love kids but followed by him. Complaining about our kids he then proceeded to ask questions such as do you have carpets and rugs. Where are they. This was less than twenty four hours after they came home and he was visibly bothered by his new little neighbors. My husband didn't even know how to react. He tried to be polite excused himself from the conversation and came home in utter disbelief. Two hours later we left our apartment and we found a bottle of wine with a note that read. Welcome to the cloister. We will be leaving for a couple of weeks so your child can be a child as much as he desires. Best to both of you. How do i react. I don't want to start off on the wrong foot. But i also would love to make it clear that they've crossed a boundary. And i do not appreciate their passive aggressiveness. Ps i would love to rub it in that. I am actually pregnant with baby number three and this is the new normal because the chaos will die down anytime soon so elizabeth. I love to hear from you. First mama three and also make mention of the fact that this letter comes from someone that you know. Yes yes. I do actually know who wrote this letter. And congratulations on the new baby. I'm very excited about that. I guess i feel like overall in this situation like yes. The letter in the interaction maybe feels like very passive aggressive but the overall thing that you want harmony in this building like you guys are all going to have to live together. I'm just a big fan of the like. Kill them with kindness. I think i would probably have the kids straw them a nice picture and write a little note saying thanks for the welcome. We know our kids are are really rambunctious. We're obviously doing what we can. But kids will be kids. Kind of thing You are gonna have to make some accommodations for four other people living in this building and you having children but i also think that it's okay to to have the kids be kids and try to be polite to them like as long as they're not like jumping on the floor in a way. That is inappropriate. Like you know where those lines are and making sure that they learn to live in the situation as well like they have to understand that they're part of this community but i think also like if during reason like during daytime hours your kids are being kids and your baby is crying and those sorts of things that that's life and there's nothing you can do about that but i think resist the urge to like go pick a fight with these people even if their initial reaction to. You was not the kindest i think. The best path forward is for you to be kind. I mean if it were me. I'd probably make a big show of every time i'm coming into the building to being like kids. You know other people live here then. The door shut. We didn't do anything else. I have this like performative. Ask you know to say kind of like. I understand that. I live in this community. What do you guys think. Yeah i mean. I feel like part of living in an apartment building and raising kids in an apartment. Building is being considerate to your neighbors and teaching them how to do that. And that's true even if you're dutch and have sons and so you know like the downstairs. Neighbors were obviously themselves inconsiderate about it a little rude. A little weirdly passive aggressive. That's sort of like weird preemptive strike before the kids have done anything to be like. Wally better not make any noise so like like bear. The downstairs neighbors of the reason why this is started off on a bad foot but it doesn't have to continue on a on a bad foot and their interest in not having really loud noise all the time directly above them is a legitimate one. Just like a neighbor who played allowed stereo all the time. You wouldn't necessarily want that while your kids are going to bed. You know And so i think it's about trying to figure out what the reasonable accommodations are here. Elizabeth you listed a whole bunch of them. There's a difference team making noise during the day and making noise at night. For example or you might wanna put down rugs. Because it'll make your downstairs. Neighbors lives easier than you might have found a really nice one. But i have a feeling given this interaction that this is probably going to come to a head at some point. They may in fact have an unreasonable expectation of silence. And if that's the case You know if you've tried to accommodate them in a few ways you can politely but firmly say like. Hey these are the things we're doing but there's not much more we can do about it. And they have to make peace with it i think. That's very fair. Isaac and i i think Letter writer you have to understand that four of these people by default. You are a nightmare. You are possible neighbors. That a pair of boomers do not dream of especially when they've been building with two forty something women without children this worst case scenario for them. And that's okay and that doesn't mean something is wrong with your family or your kids are bad. It just means that this is not an ideal situation for anyone. Involved right like you would prefer to live Above people that could let your kids make noise all hours of the night or however you see fit these people would prefer to live beneath people that are quiet and don't have a bunch from children running around. Of course you should and will going forward. Take some steps to be my neighbors but also like don't forget how annoying this must be for them and that it's okay for them to be annoyed. It's not okay for them to be jerks. It's not okay for them to be mean to you all they absolutely should be understanding of your situation too but put yourself in their shoes and try to. I guess proceed with some empathy. I wouldn't wanna live beneath you. Either you know. I mean you got three kids girl. Even people with kids yes. I don't wanna live beneath me like i. I try to keep naim as steps quiet but you know high as someone who was a child of a single mom. They're just two girls now just me and her in the house and i had a neighbor downstairs at constantly complained about me stopping so i i get it. It's not hard to make noise. And maybe you have creaky floors too but yeah it has to stop to live beneath you. Yeah i mean like. I have an upstairs neighbor who who who paces and smoke cigars. And that's a nightmare. I mean i like him. he's a nice guy. I'm not gonna tell them to stop. You know it. it's fine. It is just part of the living with other people in an apartment building problem. It's just it's always going to be an issue and figuring out how to negotiate it with kindness but without sacrificing too much of your children's well-being or killing their spirit or whatever like that's that's a complicated thing but it's not impossible like it can be done am similarly although also you know damn choice is not here but he did explain in his book. The polder consensus model of figuring out problems. So i wonder if the solution is to get the entire congressional district that this person lives in Together to negotiate an ideal children's volume level using a consensus model and then everyone will just abide by that elizabeth. You you lived in the netherlands. What do you think of my solution. I think the thing in the netherlands is that everyone would just air their grievance right there right like as the the adult said basically like. I don't like this living situation. You would be like well. It is what it is. And then everyone would walk away feeling like they aired their grievance. But i think to the netherlands is like values children being children so although everybody lives on top of each other and in these kind of tight houses built into the same building. There's a lot of noise and everyone just kind of accepts that so long as that noise doesn't continue in the evening but they call it like the sounds of life like they say. Oh i liked this building. There's lots of sounds of life. They don't expect their living place to be quiet. It is just about calibrating like what is a reasonable expectation here for all parties and then trying to reach that which can be hard of passive aggression and ill-will right off the bat. Yeah do you guys feel like the bottle of wine is a kindness or a passive aggressive. I little bit wonder if they felt bad about the conversation that they had with her husband or the way that her husband reacted and so the wine was a was kind of a way to make up for that. That is actually how i read it. I read it as them being like. Oh we fucked that up. That did not go. Well let's make a self deprecating joke about how we allow their kids to do any. Do you know what i mean like. If felt a bit like textbook people who have trouble saying i'm sorry and so like like what their apologies look like because they did not actually say i'm sorry right but they came close to acknowledging that they were being a little crazy. And so that's how it read to me. i agree. Yeah and then the letter writer so angry. She's taking it as like condescending. But i actually think you know. Usually a bottle of wine is a is an. I'm sorry unless they're really rich. I mean that'd be like that's a real rich person's way to say fuck heroes and eighty seven shuttle some simpson home. Go fuck yourself exactly the helpfully. I'm assuming well we know because they have this other place to go to. Because i was gonna say look there so rich. They can get another apartment We do know that they did essentially do that at least for a few weeks. So who knows. But i agree. I think that was a nice gesture. They realized that they were not the most pleasant and it was a natural reaction to this very bad news. And i say this as someone who has like. I know that when people when. I sat next to you on an airplane. When i had a six month old that was bad news. It's okay right. It doesn't mean that we didn't belong there you know. So don't feel bad about it but you know they were blindsided with some bad news and they didn't handle it well and hopefully they're gonna just smooth things over and maybe stay gone all summer. Thank you so much for your letter. We love updates since since you know. Elizabeth it should be very easy. 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We made a deal that she would go to the game. but i wouldn't force her to play. I was hoping she would change her mind when we were there. But of course she didn't and we spent the entire hour watching other kids play. Which is just how i wanna spend my saturday. I made her sit with the team and apologized to the coach for not playing and told her we were going to the next two games. I want to teach her to keep her commitments. My husband feels. She is acting like this. Lesson is not sinking in. But she's four. I don't really expect her to understand at this point but our actions teachers something in the long run. What should i do. What do you think. Isaac ooi very. I feel this letter writers pain you know. I feel like i was. I was just there two years ago that balance between you know keeping the peace and acknowledging what your child is saying they need on on one side because you don't wanna make miserable but then also teaching them the right life lesson and modeling the right behavior or whatever. It is just constant and it's not going to go away anytime soon. We're we're going through this right now with. Irs and practicing her guitar every night you know and this is also made more complex by her only being four. You can't have a really in depth conversation about what's going on and why she's turned against soccer and you can't really work it out on that on that kind of reasonable level and also as you yourself. Note that the odds that she's like gonna an a very literal way understand the lesson you're trying to teach. Her here are probably pretty slim. So i don't mean to punt as the advice giver here. Because i feel your pain but i actually think either decision. Fine i really do. I think you can can go to the other games. You can go to the other games The reason why i would lean towards the second is that you've told your daughter that that's what you're going to do. So you know you wanna make it clear that if you tell her that something's going to happen and there's going to be a consequence that it's really going to happen but beyond that. I think it's kind of fine. It's not like if you give in on this one thing. She's never going to hold commitment again. You know what i mean. Am i being too wishy-washy what y'all think so. I guess i'm curious why she wants to quit. Because with four year olds it seems to me like the answer could be as much as like. They thought they were gonna play ipad instead right or like. Somebody said something to them that they didn't like like an easy fix. Or were they. Don't like the uniform or their socks so asking i like establishing what the issue is. I also think it is okay to to not push the commitment thing like to me. A commitment is more about what happens to the teammates and the coach. If you don't show up not showing up in phoning it in and so this lesson of like we just show up and we sit there. I don't know is the lesson that that you necessarily want to teach your for your old like what you've told her is basically you tried something new and maybe let's say you've established that she like honestly hates. They hate soccer right. But that now says if you try something new and you hate it you have to go anyway and i think it really discourages this idea of trying things new and finding things that we don't like and also excusing ourselves from from things that we don't like or that we don't find pleasure in that our pleasure activities. I think the lesson here is is teaching how to exit those things right so absolutely one talk to the coach. Because if you make this child go and now you are having the coach. Supervise them sitting there. But they don't wanna play like you've put that burden on somebody else instead of on yourself and to talk about like what are the ramifications like if you don't go. Is there a chance that they can't play. They have to forfeit like that situation for commitment is very different. If that's the case then yes we have to show up because if we don't go these other children don't get to play right. That is the type of commitment. We're trying to teach but if you're one of you know twenty kids on this team and you being there are not being. There makes zero difference. I think it's okay to say all right. We are going to go together. Tell the coach that we are not gonna play anymore and this is why and this is how we exit in a in a way that makes sure that kind of all those things that we were committed to are covered like any other responsibilities. Do we need to turn them uniforms back in like whatever those are doing those in closing that chapter. I just find that. Like i grew up in like a. We are committed to this. And we're going to do this. And i feel like i still face some of those ramifications and like do. I really want to try this. Because what if i don't like it. And then i'm committed to this long term thing even as adults like exiting not work responsibilities but exiting these leisure activities or friendships. Or things like that. Because we've somehow made this commitment. I think it's okay to teach your kid like you didn't like this. You tried thanks. Here's how to get out of this in the right way but also therefore so four year olds are notorious stubborn and by the time you hear this they may have decided that soccer is their most favorite thing in the whole world. I agree with so much. That elizabeth i also am a little bothered by the idea of teaching kit to like. Hey if you try something new and you find that you don't like it you just have to keep doing it. And that's what happens when you that's what you get for trying so next time. Don't take an interest in something. If you don't want to risk not liking it you know i am also curious now like what sort of conversations where you having about soccer after the first four games right like was it that she was just kind of tolerating it. Did she go from enthusiastic. Too passive too. I really don't like this. As elizabeth said four year olds tastes at an manners and ideas changed super quickly so she could have a change of heart after one. Really fun game but i think that one you do a little bit more of a check in to see like what. She's been feeling about soccer all along because it could have been that she never liked it and for some reason didn't feel like she tell you that she might have. She might have reached her boiling point. Like this could have been just too much. Whereas i just cannot keep this charade up any longer. I'm done with this. Sport in four is old enough to know that. Ed something is really not enjoyable to you. You know i mean i. I don't think that you have this vested interest in encouraging her to continue soccer. because it's is important family tradition or something that you are really you know passionate about but just that this was something she was doing and she doesn't really seem to like it so i would say i guess i answered the question. I'm like i'm hearing everything that everyone said. The one do not make her go to the games and watch. That sucks for everybody. You're just punishing yourself made. It doesn't really make much of a point as much as it. Just kind of ruins. Everyone saturday but i would say you know agree to her that you'll if she's unclear when you talk to her about it like if she gives you a very passionate like i've never liked it and this is why and i'm clear you know let it go move on. Cut your losses. You know i if she shows glamour of you know maybe i was just kind of having a crappy day or ahead of crappy experienced in soccer. You know maybe there's one person there who said something to her the last time she you know before all this happened. And that's what set her off but earned her soccer and proceed from there. But i think it's totally fine to let her walk away from the team. They will make it without her. They'll be fine but it's also fine that it's just two more weeks like two more weeks who cares. Just go for two more weeks. Like i mean it's not like she's going to enroll her in soccer next semester. Either way or whatever like i. I don't actually understand why it's such a big deal to go for two weeks but i have a an another question which is why are they playing games at four. Like what what soccer is this. 'cause like iris did soccer. I'm going to put that in heavy quotes because their soccer was like we're stacking these cones because the mayor told us we had to build buildings and then it was like ono. There are cannonballs coming to knock down the buildings and they would kick the balls into the cones. And isn't that what soccer is when you're four. I'm a little confused. It may be that this soccer program sucks. That's the that's the other thing too much for a four year old right like if like who wants to stand around on the field and like hope the ball comes or that other thing that happens which is just like the the huddle of children around the ball right like. That's not fun either. I had a friend who was like because we were he was his kid was also in the soccer thing with iras and he was like. I want to go to this other one. Because they're like scrimmaging more. And i was like. They're three and a half like they. Don't need to scrimmage at three and a half they just need to run around some cones get some energy out never touched the ball with your hands the four should be like establishing general rules of the game like there's a ball there are two goals and we use our feet it has. This sounds so much more stressful than it should be for anything involving year old. Which is my reason for. Be like fuck is right away but still weeks is not a long time like she. Technically should be able to do this if this doesn't absolutely make her miserable but if it's gonna make you absolutely miserable to have to hear her scream about it ask still say. Cut your losses. This is one of the problems with disciplining kids that age is that the parents actually bear the brunt of whatever the disciplinary thing is like the blowback. It's always much bigger whatever. Consequences you impose. Actually her parents more literally the worst parents. It is okay to determine that the thing you said in the heat of the moment was not the best decision. Like you shouldn't be saddled with your bad punishment. Either i just think yes. It's only two weeks but it is like like. I don't know where these games and our are. They you know like what is the drive like. Do you have other kids like all of that. Should be taken taken into account you know. But if they don't finish the season they don't get to go to the end of the year shindig or whatever either that is the consequence relation extra play at the end of the time that the refs took to think be less grand opening grand closing great. It also just occurred to me that there is. There is a difference in terms of teaching your child about commitment. Which i do think is can be a valuable thing but like there is a difference between whether or not your child ever asked to do soccer in the first place. This is a thing that you signed them up for. They never committed to doing it. And so there is no less to be taught in forcing them to continue to. You thought they would like it. And then you're you're making them do it more if it is like just to give an example from my own life like her playing the guitar which he actually enjoys she just doesn't like the practicing part of it she likes playing likes the lesson. She likes the recitals. So it's just figuring that out but she specifically asked us if we would sign her up for guitar lessons because she wanted to learn how to play and that is a different. I think that is a different thing. In terms of the kid and their agency and what they're agreeing to that i think creates different obligations than if it's something you sign them up for because you thought they'd like it but i also think like four year olds can't even commit to lunch like they ask you for something and then you put it on their plate and they're like i didn't order this like don't actually i don't actually want. This is the thing that i've heard many times in my life. Yeah but i agree with you. I think the agency over this. I think is the important lesson is like even if like if irish came to you and said i don't. I don't like this anymore. This is no longer fun right. You'd have a conversation with her and if it turned out that it was you would together figure out where that exit point is right. And i guess that is what i think. The conversation at this point has to be also with the knowledge that their four so like if in fact you have the conversation and the problem is soccer like the problem is not anything else that is the playing of the game of soccer in the way it is played at this kind of practice. I think it's okay to say you know. Thanks for trying and i. I'm sorry you didn't like this. Here's how we exit this in a in a way. That doesn't leave anyone hanging. I love that. I think You've got a lot of great stuff to think about in this very crucial decision about whether this four year old will continue her professional sports career and we look forward to hearing what you all decide ultimately Please feel free to send us an update and fellow listeners. If you have a parenting conundrum that you would like for us to consider sinister note at mom and dad at slate dot com or you can do with this listener dead and you can post it to the slate parenting group on facebook before we get out of here. Of course we have recommendations elizabeth. What you have for us this week. I have a simple recommendation. june. I is the Traditional like kind of start of summer reading Which we love in this house in fact my nine year old woke up and was like it's summer reading. Like how do i log my book so go sign your kids for some reading. They have them at all the libraries but also bookstores. There's even like old school pizza hut book. It is back for the summer. So go sign up for those and sign yourself up to 'cause it's always good to just have some motivation to try some new some new books and read some different things and be reading with your kids so i'm recommending summer reading love that what and book his back are you kidding me. I'm signing up right now is back. I mean it's always been available for home schoolers but they. They are doing it for summer reading this summer too. So you read. You're twenty minutes a day for twenty days and you can earn a personal pan pizza just like like i dunno jamila. Did you grow up. I really one hundred a very very special part of out as was sitting in i agree. It's like the best thing to share. What the kids. I love that grade. Elizabeth what do you have. Isaac i ever reading related one to their. They've been around for a long time and they're well known so maybe many of our listeners roll their eyes. But i'm going to recommend the bob books. The early reading a book sets that. Help your kids Learn how to read iris. knows the basics of how to read but was is very reluctant to claim that she is a reader or knows how to read or to kind of own that because she's not like amazing at it yet and i asked her teachers. What can we do like you know. All she'll clearly be reading something and ask her to read it out loud to say. I don't know how to read. They said. Get these bob books and you know what it totally worked. They come in. Boxed sets of twelve short books like five sentences long with really crude drawings. Each one of them is doing sound thing short. Vowels long vowels hard consonants sight words things like that and They're really fun and they're not hard and the kids. Get an immediate sense of accomplishment from them. So i highly recommend if you have a kindergartner pudding reading together that you do a little extra practice with these old books. Gary nice and super helpful so i also have a reading related recommendation. But it's for the grownups. 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Jeff Murray - Pulsar Thermal Technology

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Jeff Murray - Pulsar Thermal Technology

"Off we hot we can say yes. I head over the website. W john berto show dot com. Go check out. All the sponsors is a complete list there and there's a complete list listed down below. Appreciate all you guys. I appreciate everyone who supports the show. I wanna to thank a few of those sponsors now. I wanna thank rhino metals for all the tables galco for all the walls behind us. Galco leather Gal technologies for the walls galco leather holsters inforce weapon lights. Blackwater ammunition lenses optics. Who might forget forgetting someone. No no i'm going to get to them. see gear up. Usa right on optics. And of course the reason why we're here today. Pulsar pulsar thermal imaging. Technology thermal. Imaging is coming down in price guys. Go buy yourself a pair of by knows. Don't get hunt in the night. Don't get caught with your pants down a special guest today. He's here to talk about everything. Went to learn more about thermals than we've ever learned. In our life we got jeff. Murray from pulsar. What's going on now much. Thanks for having me appreciate hold on. We're going going my fault. Smoke got it. It's me that was me what's going on. It's going on get an echo. Chill that echo. You got it all right. Sorry sorry about that guys so tell me about technology. Tell me about how the hell you ended up in this stick. And what the hell you're doing well when you play golf in college and you make really good friends with your professors professors. They hook you up with really cool. Internships so fifteen years ago twenty two years old just finish up college and he said you need to go. Check out this company and you to go. I just indicated. Internship loved it. You need to do it Matt james sellars Ceo founder and Hit it off. Sales guy form forever slinging jen one night vision. Nfl dealers all across country When that's all there was for the commercial market all the generational stuff you know lower and digital stuff and it just kind of evolved Pulsars brand originally that was yukon advanced. Optics you know they're based in based in lithuania Oliver eastern europe and fun into Brand built called and we built with them called pulsar. so what is it about thermals. And you know. Even i are to an extent you can talk about it from a global perspective that is the barrier of entry that people the misconception. People believe i know price is a huge one And and how do you overcome that. Where people by educating them showing them. What's out there. People seem to always think. I can't afford that product or i can't get into. There's a barrier of entry there Kind of walk me through how 'cause it's come down in price drastically. Walk me through how. It's come down in price in the sourcing and why it makes sense now to buy thermal yes ten years ago you know you want military was basically the only people buying that or you know. Very high net worth individuals so ended up happening is yet ten thousand dollars systems that me or functioning like two or three thousand our systems right now right so over the course of the last four five six seven years and the third industry world They started using comic opponents and other electronic units out there reason using blaze you're using your reason mass marketed micro displays. So that's that's one of the main drivers of Also with the commercialization of it it the manufacturers that make the actual sensors There's only like three or four. In the united states they became. They started hitting critical mass. And with this market growing to where their prices could come down We're we're it made sense where you could. You could take all these different pieces and put it in a system together and make it affordable for so. It's kind of a little bit of lots of different worlds colliding in Technology advancing using more common parts. That that you know off catalog or catalogue parts from other electronic manufacturers and in the market actually growing. It's crazy how it's come down the last ten years just the last ten. Yeah it's absolutely bananas. You couldn't touch a pair of by knows. Ten years ago i mean it didn't exist essentially And if they did. You had to have an incredible amount. I mean the ship people are on. The movies wasn't real. Yeah the biggest problem that we have in educating the customer bases they'd understand how fast this technology changing like if you just look at the last year we pulsar has a new scope. Come out every single year. It might be the thirty on one and then this year. Now it's where we just released the third me onto. We keep pushing that barrier. It's like an iphone apple releases new iphone every year. Go now because they have better technology they have better screen. They have better vassar systems. All that it's all it's all getting better so whenever we have the ability as a brand to push out a better unit at the same cost to the user. Why not go why not do that. It's an inland change. We lot of the parts a lot of a lot of the external housings and stuff like that says the exact same but we're putting a newer chip in there. That has a That's more sensitive more sensitive chip so you're able to get more detail see farther distances. That kind of stuff does it make it harder for the life cycle of the product. It's extremely difficult. You know the the brand what you like if you were to take a twenty were if you were taking two thousand eighteen catalog or twenty nineteen catalog and compared to a twenty twenty one catalog. Eighty percent of its different So it it were. If you take like a if you're gonna look at you know get tech's catalog or anyone of your sponsors. Their line is not drastically changing in two to three years. You take you take a traditional you know three two nine one to six rifle scope. Whatever marketer segment your and put that on well that line that you create you may add a different radical. You may add you know different little value. Add things here and there but over the course of it. You know that product staying the same that families saying i the changes that we're making on a yearly basis are drastically improving technology inside of that scope. The thirty on two is completely different in terms of quality than one right and it's really hard to see but the changes they're making are very big changes. Yeah natalie just chimed in. She's been eighteen hundred bucks on her and she said it's amazing. Yeah so You know there's no question when you look at the products that you guys are putting out that you're on the cutting edge of getting the best product in the customer's hand at the best price point with the latest technology which is not an easy thing to do now. We have people screaming at us. Because why can't you produce more walk to produce more and they don't understand that you've got to this things take time and energy to build and it's not like it's not like he can just crank these things out in factory left and right you know. There's there's a lot of different things that go into these different quality checks to them and people you know stuff for them to understand when when someone's choosing why thermal over iowa yaro i are over thermal budget so typically your thermal start at around two grand. Us retailers will sell your entry level. Thermals right around two grand. Give her couple hundred bucks north or south a little bit Your entry level. I are scopes are typically are digital stuff now That's going to start five hundred bucks and you can spend all the way up to about twelve thirteen hundred bucks on on your on your product. Your thermal stuff's gonna kick in around two grand isle. Everybody meant if you're just now getting you came to me tomorrow and said hey. I wanted to get into night hunting. You just want to get into it. I'm like dude. Go spend five hundred bucks hundred bucks eight hundred bucks and get you get your digital scope. Play with it get used to it. Go use it if you like the sport. See if you like getting out there and doing tonight if you like it and you want to upgrade your system okay cool sell your old one invest in a new one even if your creeping on your neighbors i tell everybody my my slang for night hunting. It's the most fun you can have after midnight with your clothes on. That's perfect actually. Never thought of that. That's actually perfect. When when you take someone out for the first time. And you're stocking up on a group of pigs or you're calling in a coyote or you know whatever you're doing and when you can get fifty yards or closer to some of these animals a night when they have no clear there but you pop open. You're you're looking through your device and it looks clear as day Just in their blackwater. Whatever color you picked but it blows people away now as you guys take on the fucking impossible task of stemming more and more into the civilian market more and more into the everyday user. It's it's incredibly difficult to appeal to that market and create meaningful media that speaks to that market. And it's a thankless task. It's something we've just spent a couple of hours off line talking about but it's a lot of work and it requires a good team which you have and requires you know the most the most effort because you gotta get out there at night. It's not easy right so you have to film under certain conditions. We you have video under a certain conditions. The fusion between a product like this in appealing to a civilian market is totally new. So you're paving totally new ground to and that's what people don't understand. It's not something that's really been done before. So it's totally uncharted territory. You'll like the s s. Minnow out there in the middle of the ocean and you're trying to make a radio out of a coconut hundred percent agree. Probably the single most important thing that pulsar has done and then the thermal industry overall is add on board. According to the units so ten years ago ten years ago you had to you know you can have a video cable then you got to hook up a you know an external dvr pack and you've got to run power to that. You know by the time you do that. You're hunting uruguay so much. You got so many buttons going on you know you get things happen fast at night and you forget to hit the play button. Whatever or the record button. Now all our units have internal according and we came out the trail. What four five years ago Unit it let end users create media for us essentially to help market our own product. Because now you have all these. Facebook groups popped up these instagram. You know everything on the social aspect just blew up because you had end users everyday guys and girls shooting at night and putting what they did last night out for all their friends to see and when you started doing that it just it. It exploded right. That market just took off when you enabled the end user to take what they did and show their experience at night last night and put it up on their channels for f- for the world to see. Yeah i watched that instagram. I don't know if you guys deal with 'em predator bids for that guy. I mean whoever that is bound that page I it's it's crazy. You know and i watched some of guys put out. It's it's really quite fun to watch and it makes night. Hunting creates a different kind of fun. Experience you know if you've never done it than anybody listening You gotta try it. Whether it's you know the game for night hunting is usually what coyotes hogs kyle dogs That's you know a lot of guys love the cat. Hunting hits a big. it's a big one But yes any type of predator out there that you can think of invasive species that we like to get yeah never thought bob cats There's a lot of big contest. There's one actually in west texas called the big cat contest sponsor it and what's the biggest one anyone's ever got this year was like this year. The what took money was like. What thirty five pounds. Thirty five pounds to me and i want to say too big cat. That's a big cat. They do do three weekends a year. One in january one one in february one in march and they put up like i think it's about a hundred grand a month in prize money like you in the big catholic. You shoot the big cat. You're gonna take home like fifty grand six crazy. Oh it's nuts and you got a polygraph test it and they t- tech chimp internal temps of the cat to make sure you know. No one's fresh exactly fresh. catch funny. Rip your face off. I mean what's the craziest report you've gotten something taken down like palmer like a like. Oh wild unicorn. We haven't had you know if there's anything crazy. It hadn't gotten back to us yet for illegal purposes which fucking dial in the middle. Yeah tell everybody a couple times. I had You ever get a video of a guy like getting eaten. No haven't had fucking hadn't hadn't had that yet but we'll we'll get stuff like you know we've had guys call in guy called me from california's like dude. I haven't slept in two months. Live on a lake in california. These geese come up out of the water. You know they come in my yard. Mating season they're just they're just they're just gawking all night long. He's like i need to take care of these. And i was like man. I can't be a part of this. I want to be then ends up by ended up buying produce from a dealer. Call me like two weeks later. Like problem solved. This is amazing. I feel like you need some wealth. But the fact that i mean i have no. Can we do not condone this at all affecting probably quite a few laws problems linked to but You'll get some crazy stories like that. The amount of i mean just when you go out at night you know personally. Go out at night there. Some you know there's some there's some wild shit you see at night when When when you're out there you know looking for pigs. Looking for natalie said raccoons too. Yeah absolutely their pasts. Fuck that's crazy measurement overrun by raccoons and things like the movie critters being overrun by fucking raccoons and the trash pan. Does the trash pan is. That's you know it's it's a lotta guys. If you haven't done it a lot of fun in the price is getting there now to get into your product line. Something that's serviceable. What is somebody looking at. What product and what makes sense to buy for something like a coyote or or kuhn or you know a guy who just wants to get out there and and mess around. Talking to thermal are thirty sem thirty. It's our baseline baseline. That's three twenty cents sensor unit great unit. Thirty two ninety nine. I believe or no. Sorry that one's Twenty seven ninety nine and that gets you in the game that gets you in the game. It's you in the game Ready to go out the door caliber restrictions on what you can use. What fifty fifty. Bmg below when we got a lot of it depends on you know. A lot of our systems are based on the thirty millimeter tube system. So as long as you put a good quality ring on their. You're you're guys our guys in europe. We put this on testing equipment up to like three seventy five h h. It's pretty It can take a beating. We've had guys there at this on twelve gauge slugs. Ooh Running like that before. And it's you know very rarely. Do we have a problem. Yeah that makes wmata. Fun twelve gauge. You kidding me now. Are you seeing the desire with all the protesting going on at night. All around the country you see in more thermal purchases by law enforcement. Yes where there's budget you know as you know the traditional law enforcement. Yeah they've had some interesting takes and some on some budget cuts and and their Their tactical squads and the guys that are using this drug their their drug units and stuff like that Their budgets have got slashed little bit but the market that you know governor markets really doing really well as like fishing game Usda a bunch of those type of market la border patrol. Those markets borders huge. Oh yeah yeah. Because that was the video we saw the kid getting down the wall is that a pulsar damn But yeah should have been that now. I would think border would be your biggest customer. But especially now they're just flinging kids over the wall or think now the lead the departments or suing the the sections that actually have the budget They are taking advantage of it and it is helping them It is helping helping them permit bad guys from. Yeah you know. They're finding kids like in the rio grande hidden. Like how you know in everybody. That's how durable these things. Because if you're you're shelling out that kind of money you wanna buy some durability. Are you putting it through like a weird like throwing it around the house test. Or what are you doing with recall testing on riflemen products is kind of the standard. Is the standard you know. We we run. Can they get wet. Yep okay mud mama dropping dirt you know you can do do what everyone we got a three year bumper to bumper warranty on it out of the gate and then we have a. We have a repair center at our office. Couple really great tax back there. That can basically fix anything that happens so you you know you drop it on the pavement. Your i your your piece pops off. They can fix it your Crack this loses button. They can they can put another one in now. You're in a precarious position because you have multiple brands under your flag. And i know we want to touch on all of them. You guys cover a lot of ground what what are couple of the other brands. You're associated cellmark. The umbrella we have site mark you know it's electro optic vision Re red dots digital night vision are two main product lines. there we have Just a new one that we just acquired bulletproof a say press level three a armor got some pretty exciting new stuff coming down the road with them about to move all of our production to the united states In our search all that good stuff so doing some really really cool stuff with that brand that would just bought Kofi egger tripod shooting systems That was a really cool story about We acquired that brand from couple dallas police dow speedy snipers and that are amazing. Guys that had a great concept and a great idea took it to market And getting almost too big for them to for them to keep going as a so. We struck a deal with them. And that's really cool trap out system for predator hunting. It was a natural fit for what we do with with Pulsar and some our other brands. So it's a it was a it was a great. That's a hard you know. That's an interesting thing you know. Company out grows its owner. You know and you guys kind of have the bandwidth to to swoop in and help with that. That's a common problem around this industry. A lot of guys will grow pretty quickly especially in times of panic like now but they really don't know how to navigate. It's interesting water out there as we were talking about earlier in this industry. It's it's really insanely fucked up. And and i can imagine those guys you know trying to get their arms around all aspects of advertising marketing getting out there dealing with distributors dealing with dealers. You need to have a really good infrastructure like you guys have to be able to assist in that which isn't easy. Yeah and it took us a long time to build that multi-brand approach. It's been something that it's it's hard to do. It's probably the one of the things that you know in business that i've seen so far as to have multiple brands with multiple segments of the market. You know all in the shooting sports that you're going after You gotta be very careful on not doing you know. Each brand has their specific voice. And you know marketing plan in. It's hard not to mix those and mixed you know you have an influence or or or staff team for this brand. You don't want to mix them with this other brand Just to delete messing So it's it's a it's a tough. It's a tough battle out there sorry mark martyrs because you guys are in that nice little price point where everybody wants to jump in. You know. i mean you're selling fricken red dots and optics to every every first time gun owner. You kinda indoctrinating tons of people into that line. That was that's the that's when we created the brand originally site market was to it. Was i believe in two thousand and seven Two thousand and eight right win obama's first term happened that was when we saw the mass Commercialization of a ours being sold in. Not just sure you know very selective availability started seeing it showing up in kademi sports now doors. Bass pro shops. Cabela's you know the list goes on and at the time there were very few people. That were m- importing optics. That were you know that had retail packaging the had owners manuals that had a warranty and all that of stuff so we saw this hole in the market and decided to go after it. Now we've had and we've we've had some learning curves long waves. Sure line now. Our line looks completely different than what it did. Ten ten twelve years ago but yeah we. That's that's our one of our target market is going after that first shooter. That are that that first time owner. That bought something Turned on his tv. Wants the same look and the feel of the guys kicking down doors and you know overseas. It's funny how how loyal the optics market is. How some people are you know in. They get so dedicated towards a brand or towards a particular Explain to people. Because i don't think they understand that a majority of the brands out there a lot of it's built around marketing. The technology internally is very similar very much the same the durability might be a little bit of a question but people don't realize that most of the stuff being sourced the same fricken six places. You know break that people gotta understand because sometimes they overpay for certain stuff and sometimes they underpay for far lesser quality than they could be getting I don't think people get that in this space. Ya that's a you know. No one likes if you're in the industry you kind of have a really good idea of what it is because you can take brand. Abc and lay down their rifles. Scopes and i can tell you probably watch facility. Those came through overseas You know we have relationships with those guys you know we have. We have some you know there. Are these mega factories over there. That do a really good job and produce high quality optics in an affordable price. You may pay a hundred and fifty dollars for this autumn under x. Brand and you may pay two hundred fifty dollars under you. Know why brand But a lot of times you're getting very very similar product who's the most overrated on the spot. Oh it's so crowded. It's hard to say what bold you know i it. Rhyme with loophole. yes and no. They have a very good quality. Niche not niche market. That smart that they go after and they do a really good job With that and they're like you know they. They've got lifelong generally got generational customer base. Because when you know. Johnny gets a rifle pass down. It's got a rifleman leopold on there so it it. It's very safe answer but there are a lot. That gets the point. There are a lot of overrated products out there and this is what i'm trying to get to when you're out there and you're shopping for either your a are your your bulk on. You don't need to do it just because that's what grandpa did you know. There's there's a lot of different choices out there. And i try to explain that to people all the time. Yes there are some companies that make some great products and they build a lot of great brand loyalty. but there are d- d- there's not much difference between the product lines and if you're smart you're working through the math you can find something that's a tremendous value and i think a lot of people you know we always say buy once cry once you know in the optics market. It's so competitive you just straight optics market not thermals. You don't have to cry. you can find great value. You know. I mean you don't need to go out and get a schmidt and bender just to you know get you through. Not necessarily. i'll tell this to people until it's like in the thermal world world. Whatever it is. It's it's not hard upgrade anymore. You go by you can buy you go buy a Pulsar thermal for five grand. Our bestselling unit the thermionic. Xp fifty you go run that for a year or two years and we come out with the thirty onto you can go resell that on five. Different facebook groups four different gun community. You know centers out there. Whatever you wanna do and you're probably going to get something around four thousand dollars. Let's go the secondary market for optics after a share after a year to two years worth of use out of that. So if you were to go. I think used car. So if you're going to go out and say hey i'm gonna hunt twenty times over the not once a month twelve times a year and this optics gonna lose a thousand dollars in value. Did you have a hundred dollars for the phone every time you went out there. Oh god yeah that answer has to be yes absolutely. Now then you can get seventy five percent investment back out of it and pay twelve hundred. Pay a thousand bucks and get the newest sensor the newest optical system according to this. And you're good. So that's why i like the buy once. Cry once thing to me doesn't really hold lot a weight with me. And i don't think it doesn't optics. Yeah i would agree with even if even if you're buying like a red dot you could go out and you know by side mark dot for one hundred hundred fifty bucks and it's going to get you it. It's going to deliver the promise for for what it is and if you want to go you know. Jump in creeks. And you know submerge yourself and water do whatever you know throw this thing out the back of trucks and do all sorts of dude by your name point. Go via neo tech you know. Do do some luck. God bless right. That's what i'm saying is there's you have the ability to to move up in optics world and you have. There are avenues out there. Reconsult stuff if you ever want to move up you want to move up within the brand. If you wanna move up you know try different brands. I tell people like you got a camera in your pocket. Yeah snap a photo put on one of those groups you'll sell it. One hundred percent the secondary and tertiary market. I guess you would call it. The third market maybe Depending on how you sell is is is wide open so that the person a person market for optics is huge. And if you have something that's decent value. I mean you can do very well. You know reselling it. And you're right. The upgrade the barrier of entry for upgradings are small literally snapping a picture of a posting on our board or even talking to a body. It's very easy to stem into a into a new product or a more exciting products. But i tell everybody. Ee specially in the thermal and digital game by something running for two years sell it upgrade and move on. Now we were talking about this earlier. You're gonna do shasha as of right now. We're planning on doing shot. Show yes. did you breathe heavy. Because not going to show had zero effect on our bottom line and the amount of new dealers that was set up their share. And you know all of the above so Yeah we you lose a little bit of a week of senior friends and you know doing doing some of that stuff and the people that you might not see you know when when the sales guys are out traveling but overall it's been but how long can continue right like how long can the nsf fucking this up a under the current situation you have right now. I don't think that current situation the shasha right now. Don't think that it's this isn't going to be a viable solution for the next. You know five ten year now so dumpster. Fire fucking dumpster fire. Yeah yeah Here's here's the issue. We talked about this outside. Let's be very honest. The value proposition two brands is very hard. It's pretty much reached the point where it's passed the hat around and help us. That's what it is. Let's call it what it is Are you reaching anybody or talking to anybody. Is their value upstairs. In any of the meetings. No and that's because there are fucking dumpster fire. Yeah the larger value is in companies that are very small and up and coming and they can get in front of a lot of people really quick that you're more established companies if they're doing it the right way. We've got a traveling. I've got a group of about twenty traveling. Wraps that are going all across country and we put a large. We put a very heavy emphasis focus on f. l. business at cellmark for simar pulsar. All of our brands. I truly truly value that. nfl business. And i've got a team of savages. That just go out and her amazing at you're better off host a small f- event like we discussed. I'd rather much other host people were. We can control the narrative. Spend more money and let my guys you know. Go on the road more. Have more freedom when they're on the road to do different events with them. You know have a larger budget for for those types of things to spend more quality time with that customer versus only getting to spend an hour with them at the show. I used to be a national account sales before i was took over like all the Took over this job at some art for now like celena bass pro. Cabela's academy shows a nightmare. Those those buyers are in your show is going for eight hours. They're probably twelve meetings that day. You're you're a really smart guy and we talked out there with your team. You get a good team. You had some good solutions you know. How do they fix it. How do they get you re engaged as a brand. That's a fair question right so if you wanna talk about just the shot. Show based for the show's format. The yeah the formula shop show. The heart and soul is the f. Nfl based dealer and the second amendment community shooting sports community in the united states. They try to do everything show. They try to have a law enforcement side of things they try to. Have you know a section of international they try to have a section of compounds shitting five pound sack. exactly see. so if in my opinion if you're gonna make shot show you know truly great. You're gonna need to a cut down. The amount of vendors in there that are truly embraced and engulfed in the second amendment and in shooting sports world. That are in it for you know the. Us market because sf. Is you know based in the united states program. So you know you might cut out some of these these other these other boots these other avenues where they have stuff out there or a second show especially for l. e. and mill and whatnot. Will they already have that. They just trying to you. Know they're trying to run the carnival right and you know. I think If you cut down some of the Boots that probably shouldn't be there at tighten up some of the You know getting your buddies in for free. You know maybe two days of two days of the show before dealers and that's a great suggestion. Then open it up to public for the last couple of days make it a premium event have have guys pay fifty one hundred two hundred bucks to get in and let some of these brands monetize and then talk to the consumer. You know talk to consumers when you have everybody there. Yeah i think that. There's i think that there's just a disconnect between listening to you guys that are funding the carnival and understanding. What makes sense to put your money into what makes sense to to push for example. I think there's tremendous value if they can figure out upstairs right if they can get people engaged in stuff and figure out how to get you up there in a room fouls where you have a closed audience you can speak to people and then like you said getting some traffic in there. That's like throwing a wide net in being like okay. We're going to have you know one hundred thousand people through today that just maybe i've never been introduced to our product. There's value in that The idea of it being this this just we're gonna you know it's exclusive but it's not exclusive is fucking waste of time. The idea of upstairs not being a place to showcase the people that are spending the money like you guys to to make this all happen. It's shit show and i. It's a shame. Because i really wish they would fix it and i think all you guys that are kicking in the money that are ultimately financing the nsf. Have some of the best ideas. I really do believe that and sitting with you. I think that there's great ideas there. I hope that they figure it out and hope that they listen to you. Guys sima doesn't now. Yeah they did the lunch and learns a luncheon large vendor here their product for the daily do the launch and for half hour. And that's what we that's what we were talking about before you came in. We were saying like it would make all the sense in the world. If you were given a dedicated room upstairs where they they would say we're gonna put you know fifty f. l.'s. In there that you can speak to that. You're maybe not doing business with. And i know that they rent those rooms. But they have to create the value add. You know they have to create that value of like. We're going to do this in. This is going to be a program we're gonna put in that makes pulsar want to be here excite mark. Want to be here. Makes whoever cigs out. Want to be here doesn't matter insert the brand name. But i think that there's just a disconnect in the technology is moving so fast that you can't keep chasing the carnival one to one format now and if they do end users in i think it needs to be a premium ticket out there and a limited number. Now we fought this. And i said to use one hundred in my opinion needs to be at least one hundred bucks. Could you don't realize the amount of brain power and industry power you have in that one room. You can't get that at a gun show. You can't get you can't even get that really at dinner at the inner i mean there. There are the cy tell everybody. That's the size in the booth and the booth sides the amount of money that these that that we put into the show. It's a spectacle just to go on there and like out pay one hundred bucks two hundred percent i go i pay hundred bucks to walk that show and you know even if i even if i didn't have to buy anything just to see what these brands are doing. See other marketing and see what their messaging is and see what their new products are like. That's it's it's yeah. I agree with you. I mean i think that there's there's a lot they can especially post covert. There's a lot they could learn from the brands in the people putting the money up to support the show that hey guys we need to make a change. Something needs to be done. We've got to pivot and do something like this. Otherwise they're gonna lose a lot of brands that are paying. You know that to three hundred thousand dollars to go to micro events because micro vents going to cast a better net for you. Yeah i don't. I don't i don't disagree. Yeah and that's the shame in you know it's it's if they had somebody that didn't have a ten cent head in charge of marketing or someone that knew what the fuck they were doing. They'd be able to pivot adjust and figure that out. Whether it's you know creating a sin a winning scenario for every brand in there to say this makes a lot of sense. And i think while they've struggled with having general public in there's you know it is a lot of fire manufacturers and with all the you know the rules regulations and transfers and that kind of thing it it makes selling those type of firearms difficult in these large events but with dealer networks. And everything you got you should be able to at least monetize something in in everybody. I don't yeah. I mean we talked about this. I think i think selling accessories you know at least opening ended up to accessories whether that's operas and whatever at least then we compromised on this when we were talking about before like. Maybe it's the last day or the last two days when it's open to the public you can sell so then you can kind of offload your booth and you can come out of it like okay. We broke even on this and we got to speak to thirty dealers that are perspective clients. And you're going back with a yield that you can. You can be proud of. Because i can tell you right now and executives and owners are looking to look at their. Pnl's and they're gonna say osha. Last year we spent how many hundreds of thousands of dollars on shot show and this year we spent zero and we did better. We did better and we control the messaging better and you know we still saw same customers. We are new dealer. Business was the same. Our existing dealer business was the same greater. It's gonna raise some some really tough questions over the next couple of years and it meant in you look at the whole way. They structure rights from even like a media standpoint. There's just not enough gain and you know even during covid it. It turned into like we're going to have to close our doors. We're going to have to pass the hat around. You know you can't operate like that well you because there's going to be one year you can't be saved. There needs to be like a media day for shot show or they if you wanna make it bigger and better grandma immediate you how hard it is to record anything at shot show when you have so much external chatter going on you have how how many tens of thousands of people on your floor talking and doing things and knocking things over like you try to go with an influence or with a rider with a you know whoever else and they're trying to do their you know twenty thirty forty second clips for their different channels hardest to get good quality audio and quality video at that. Show like it's it's it's a circus like what you said. Yeah it's impossible. I you know i hope they figure it out. I think we both do. I think the nra gets more pieces. Correct in their show and in their delivery of the show the scale of its slightly different. But i i always liked the idea of being able to sell because the end of the day it becomes a marketing endeavor like it. Nra if you wanted to sell say even five or ten pieces. Just hey listen. Come by the booth the end of the show. Yeah no i know. But i mean even if you didn't want to even if you weren't that brand. It's still a great opportunity to connect with someone that really wants to get in the product and there are a loyal soldier. They came by the asked. All the right questions. You could still break them off at the end of the show. A by 'cause you can tell you as a brand you work so hard to get those end users that are wanting to buy your product that we are ready to f- over their hard earned money And then when you have to tell them hey man why don't you go. Look it up on you know. Xyz customer or whatever else they get discouraged. They want they've done the research they're ready to go and now if they walk into you know wherever else a retailer they could get you know brand dumped on by you know by whatever salesperson's behind that counter and completely take them away from their initial thought of what they wanted to buy so you you have a customer trade to go right now and you. Could you know without being with with not having the ability to sell to them in pushing 'em somewhere else you could lose them forever and there's some about that connection in that moment you know what i mean like. I got this at the show. You know they took care of me. There's something about that moment. You know that the the end buyers can always remember and be like. This is cool. Like i went to the show. And you know jeff. He pulled me aside. He said he was going to take care of me. I'm going back friday. And i'm gonna get you know it's something about that. And they never forget that moment and they'll be loyal forever. They love it. In in in our industry they're use the gear that they're buying from us and other manufacturers they're using it majority of them are using it on their spare time to get away from the stresses of work distresses. They're going with the range to shoot to decompress to going hunting to get away from things and that's where they're using your product. And so that's where i think the love the joy of them buying you know outdoor equipment is because they're gonna go make memories with the stuff they're gonna shoot with their kids. They're gonna shoot it with their friends. They're going to do all that kind of stuff and they're making memories with it. So that's why i think there is that what you're talking about. The joy of being the by that and connect with that brand is so big. You know you go by you know you go by iphone. Yeah you're you're you're you're kind of excited about it for for hot minute but a day. Yeah but it's a necessary tool that you use every single day at your rifle and your rifle scope and your you know your suppressor whatever gear. They're using when you're using that that is like sacred time to experience that is a that is that is that is a time that you're sitting down that you're choosing to spend with that brand and doing that activity that you like you guys should do a show. That's like thermal stories because people just sharing those stories by a campfire. Yeah yeah something like that. I don't know if we're gonna. I mean one of the things that we talked about doing. Pretty soon for is a pulsar podcast. You know that we're going to produce ourselves and our goal of that is to have outfitters on All across the country and to tell them their experiences of taking people out hunting for the first time of night and then the stuff that they've seen at night. I can't tell you how many stories i've heard from outfitters of you know. They see cars parked over there. You know when. Bobby jane or or having fun in the backseat of the car. Is there some open field. But there's this guy with the thermal that see and everything that was going on and there's there's some there's some wild stuff that you see you know at night We had the opportunity to give dana. White set your by knows that was. That was pretty cool. I think He might be using those those spy on the neighbors or something. Sorry dana but that could be in the cards private security. I mean you got high net worth individual like that. That's you know public figure. And you know it's not hard to find. People live and whatnot of the their security. You know their security aspects for this brand all over the place for being able to You know quickly a look at your back. Look out your backyard and see if there's anything out there yeah you know i think. I think that it's super cool technology. And i think you guys are conveniently positioned in a good place and have the right infrastructure. But there's a lot of shitty products out there too in the thermal space that are kind of coming to bear right so there's a lot there's a lot of a lot of fricken you know. Rats in the weeds right coming out of the woodwork. What do people have to be careful of when buying a crappy thermal from you know. Joe shit the pop-up booth at at one of these shows or somewhere. Yeah so with the thermal market growing as fast as it has over the past buyer. Beware five over the past five or seven years. This market has increased faster than most quality manufacturers can increase production pulsar. Our philosophy is you know. We've we've been able to grow production you know. Thirty to fifty percent every single year. And it's it's controlled steady growth where we know that the quality of product that we're putting in your hands is not going to be compromised by trying to get out faster. We're trying to you know we are. We are growing You know look at reviews. Look at you. Know what trust dealers are saying That's the biggest thing that i have. You have. There's so much information at your fingertips now. There's there's so much content out there on the device stuff there so much. There's so much out there. You know with different things. I take the first thing you gotta do. Is you need to pick a retailer and manufacturer that have well respected return policies. You know back in support for everything that you're doing you're basically putting a computer on a weapon if it's a good way to put it so i don't care what you're doing you shit's going to happen. I don't care how great of a manufacturer you are stuff can happen. And it's how well company stand behind their their warranty and what they do and to get you taken care of in a quick and tommy fashioned because you spend four or five grand thermal run it for a year something happens you send it back to the factory you know either. Get that. Replace your get a brand new one. You're gonna want that quick. You got a five thousand dollar four thousand and times these guys. The bodies that are buying into these Buying into thermal their ranchers farmers you got you know hogs tearing up their their cropland. You have Coyotes counties and different predators trying to you know attack their cat yeah there. I don't know the rabid raccoons but you have During calving season when when cows or calving you know you've got Predators that are out there trying to take money from these ranchers and farmers. So don't go to the the small booth at the trade. Show that selling a thermal out of a ziplock baggie. Now i always tell guys you know there are so many great dealers online and there are. We have an ungodly amount of amazing. Nfl dealers out there that that gun shops been there for a hundred years or fifty years are going. They're they're they're gonna take care of you. They're gonna they're gonna have you in a brand that is going to fit your needs and so jeff don't go to the. Gao go to that booth way in the back. No that has a poly bag thermal. Steer still very very clear from there. If you if you see a thermal without a nice branding on the on the on the box and doesn't have a warranty policy and all that stuff stay as far away from that and you say come. See me next year. I'll replace it. Don't don't buy their don. Don't bother whatsoever. Yeah this is a lot of them. I mean i see them at shows popping up. And i'm like everybody's getting in that game and they're jumping in some big brands this year. Get in the game. He i mean he had hop in the game this year. you've got. There's i called. The i call the twenty twenty one the year of the major manufacturers turning into thermal. What happened a loophole outta redfield. Yeah that was an interesting move. It was interesting for them. I thought that redfield brand had some had some you know. I think they never integrated it part of the problem. They should have done like a loophole. Blue brand versus like the gold brand and Looked at that a while back Wonder what a win for two or three years ago well academies publicly traded company so i think pretty soon they're going to have to disclose what it went for. I guess i bet you. They lost money. Oh legal took a bath on it. i don't know maybe there wasn't. There wasn't an inventory because knowing mentor in the market doesn't produce anything in years. You know since the all they're buying is the brand the website and you know whether answer comes. I bet went for probably. Maybe half a million to a million my guess. Oh that's fucking disgusting. Might have been as low as fifty. It's hard whatever. The brand equity that that thing probably had but they had when they started producing that revolution. Lana scopes that two two seven three two nine and they're retailing for about one hundred. Nineteen you know. They were doing a really good job competing with vortex and they had arranged finder around hundred and fifty. You know they had some spotters there for about a hundred. And that was their mass market Bass pro cabela's. That was that was there. It was their house brand. That wasn't a house brand correct. But leopold control the revenue from it and all that kind of stuff so that's because they can't figure it out but hey that was a business decision they made. I don't know if i agree with that. I i i like the multi. I lack the multi-brand approach of having different brands. That service different segments of the market So you know. they didn't. They didn't see that. I guess they thought that it might have detracted from their core businesses while they invested that. So that was it makes sense. Now you know in in less than a few people have said like you guys are an awesome sponsor and you guys are awesome sponsored that brings in a new question. You guys in your team have to deal with the endless droves of people showing up to your booth being like protest semi a thermal. I'll do a cool video. How how do you even begin to sift through the bullshit. Arthur probably gets an email -oday. We'll just one just at least minimum day at shows. You're getting guys come every hour asking you send him something. Hey i got you know. I got ten followers. Let me go do this. I'll send you a ski. I i can't even even. If i did send them the scope. They wouldn't even know how to use it right. They don't have land go hunting on. They don't know how to call in. They don't know how to get the you know for true influence or production for for what we need. They can't get it. I mean it's so hard. We talked about the internal recording capabilities of the thing of of the units. How it's made things very you know how it's help grow the market. I look at these in user videos. And they're and they're and they're awesome. They're fun to watch all the stuff. Seventy five percent of radha focus. They're saying they're they're hitmen holleran because they're so excited about what they just did they. You know they're not the quality of videos that you're going to be able to get out and produce out behind your brand so it's great that they're pushing them out there and it and it shows what they can do but it is very you have to get the the settings perfect you have to get like if you want to produce the videos to your true capability of the unit To maximize your image that you're saying he have to have the contrast the brightness the focus all that dialed in pretty good. And when you're calling in a coyote or you're sucking on group of pigs you see it you just want to kill it and you don't take the time to go through the little bitty things that we have to you know that to take that to truly get a good video it's to get into that influence or game and it doesn't make job any easier as a brand and as media entity to to understand because like you said the quality isn't there the production isn't there so it forces the house to work harder but what the influence or doesn't realize is. This is a very specific. Product would have very specific task and just the ability to produce like you said the the quality from influence standpoint and quality media. You have to know doing it and of those three hundred sixty five emails. Probably three hundred and thirty of them are garbage. Our garbage This probably a handful of people out there that it can be meaningful you said produce that type of video content. The hard part is for us to get the good video content yet have access to an enormous mental land if you truly want to get the best content and there's a very small population that has accessed 'cause you wanna content for a red dot for a rifle scope. There's a million different ranges that you can go to in your metro area or whatever and you can set up a range in your backyard but to get content through devise of game animals that you can legally take at night you have to to have you have to have some access. It's hard it it it people just see free stuff and they go nuts and they think like this is the this is going to be really cool or this is going to be really. But you're trying to when you're trying to build a brand and you're trying to build a brand identity. There's a greater task at hand in the quality of the media that you put out in the quality of the stuff you're trying to create and as your brand grows you want control as much of that as humanly possible so to everybody out there this is not you know like asking for a muzzle brake. It's a different animal. No and you know we. We developed a pretty intensive pro staff program at with with the pulsar brand itself. Fucking a maze of some die hard you know bad asses that just loved to hunt. That are actually good at getting content of it. You know i'll give a shout. Guys joseph moda. He's one of our one of our best pro staff guys. He doesn't marry a really good job. I carry thomas. Outdoors is a new one that just got on. We got a couple of missed him but You know these guys are guys. That are living. The lifestyle josie guide. He's out there. You know hunting pigs. Hunting coyotes taking on exotic nighttime hans hunting. Now guy down there You know off of an air boat in south texas and he knows how hard it is to get footage but he knows the little things that you have to do and he's able to get us good quality images in the keyword. Anyone used you sponsor or get behind or or you anoint as ambassadors you wanna learn from them to And that's where the ip comes in you wanna pick up nuances and you know every time you're with them. It should be a learning experience as well. Because i'm you know you're not just getting your offering them. Hey this is when. I go out how i do it in this is where a how a yield the content. Because you're always looking for more streamlined ways to create a better yield in the process. And that's what people don't realize is they think i'm just going to do a cool video or i'm just going to do x y or z. And you know we're trying to create like a family around like you know are pro staff guys are very well connected to you. Know lots of very different levels in our company and the more and more info you can give them on what you're looking for what you wanna do What's your brand visions are where you're trying to take the word. You're trying to go and how they can help you get there the better that they will you know the better. They'll be able to help you get there. I agree. I think i think you. Guys are unique uniquely positioned in you know having you guys as a part of the show and introducing a lot of the audience to to the brand has been really exciting and fun. Because i i've said it to you. When we had our first conversation. I think the thermal market the night vision market. I think that's poised for a quantum leap in the next three to five years. Yeah absolutely and i think it's doing it now. I think it's happened here in the middle of it. Yeah i think there is. There is progress. Going on across the industry you know from top to bottom you know pulsar. Leading that you know they. Are the you know we were the innovators and we were the first ones to do. Quite a few things On the thermal weapon sight. So they're the ones that keep pushing the boundaries. They're going to have some really cool new stuff coming out later this year. You know there. There's there's a lot of great things that that that that brand is doing that. We're really really excited about there. Some extremely smart individuals In in europe that are that are creating some amazing stuff Partnering with us. Now i want to ask this. Why have hasn't the optics market figured out that if you can't get a brand to stock your item to maybe come up with some type of kiosk buying method so if we could ever catch up with production silencer shop method that they did it. That's what i'm saying if if you could go in there and you know have a well-run kiosk where you have a guy. You may have like one demo unit sitting there you may have the dealer epithelium. One demo kit two units that he can that he can demo and then if you get to mentor spot where you have inventory. I think it's an a genius. Plan to have a have this kid in there. And you drop ship directly to the end user and then you pay commission to that to that f. l. dealer that that that that that earned that sale so it's just a a strategic limitation right now really so many ways production. It's it's it's a hundred percent production base. there's a bunch of you know amazing ideas that we all have. It's just you got to you. You need to have the pro. you can't execute something and not have their product back it up because that's the number one way to to fail on you know. I think i think that's the future because the optics market so flooded so crowded so you know stuff that even the nfl the poor f. l. guy he can't stock everything you know. He's doing the best he can. And i've said one hundred times especially for you guys where you have that full line of stuff. Why not have a system that people can just call it up a want to look at this. Okay i like this one order this boom boom done. I think you'll see some of that happening. Now you know right now. I mean in the next couple of years. I don't know how much that you'll see. But maybe like five seven years down the road right now. Every you know if you're a quality obvious manufacturer right now that has good distribution set up. You know it's really hard for you to make those investments because you don't have the inventory to back it up to be able to if you're if you're consumer when you want to go look at you know anyone one of our brands and whatever flu pop up a little ipad and look at it. It's gonna say a six month lead time Are a four month lead time or whatever whatever that may be so do see that correcting and if so when you know we definitely are in a bubble right now The thing that is supporting bubble not bursting is the sheer number of new shooters. We've introduced to the market and the last you know. What is that now. Sixteen months eighteen months since covert start. that kinda helped a little bit. You didn't you didn't have you didn't have the proper just or the you know you didn't have the existing gun owners going out and buying everything up. You actually had a new group of people coming in and buying stuff switch which helped create a little bit of a new market so that definitely helped prop it up but it really depends on legislation and midterms are gonna be a big thing. That happens here in a year and a half now Mixon it's it's tough to say. I mean i'd like to say this is this bubble probably won't have any kind of downturn or you know severe correction until there is a Different party yeah. I think so too. Did everybody listening. I got an got a radical idea. Maybe we'll do this So pay attention. And i know some people listening. Now we're gonna share this out. I'll finance it. Maybe we'll give one of these away. Okay it might be a lead time. I haven't even work this out. i'm actually. This is quite shocking breaking news. I'll give this. I'll maybe i'll give one away. You have to ask tag the show. I'll get a grip marcy. i'll make get a graphics. I'll get a graphic made up. We'll get a graphic done in in we'll do like hashtag pulsar. Pulsar thermal what do you want pulsar. Whatever we'll figure that out And share the show. And we'll do hashtag the show. Obviously so so natalie and everybody. Who's in the form now and watching it. Maybe i'll give one of these away. I'll find something i can afford. You know what i mean. We'll we'll figure something out I don't care if i gotta dig it out of one of these bins but maybe we'll get one away but you gotta share the show and you have to should ask jax get on twitter everywhere else. Maybe i'll i'll. I'll do something i'll get. I'll get something made up so everybody out there if your interest. Yup we'll give some breaking news. That's right right. We'll give it up so ryan share share this out. Let everybody know this episode. We're going to give something away. i'll do it. I'll make it happen. Yeah it's breaking Everybody's starting to get excited so we'll give something away. Somebody can see their enemies coming in the night and we can. We can make it happen. I appreciate you taking the time to come in. Absolutely thanks for the invite we really know. It's fucking awesome. I mean as an experience seeing the show. You know picking your brain on some ideas that we have. It's been it's been well worth it. Yeah i think You know you guys are a lot of fun. And i i look forward to having you out again and get an update on everything that's going on We're over an hour in. I know that but yeah so you know. We really crushing it. So everybody out there. Share this out I know who's in here. I'll get a list of who's in here and You guys will have a leg up. Share this and We'll see if we can't get jeff little business out of it. We'll see you know. He's he's starving. He needs a sandwich. So listen appreciate you. Absolutely let everybody know where they can find you how they can buy the product how they can check it out tons dealers online you know. F f l dealers all across our. We've probably got over close thousand. Nfl stocking dealers for pulsar optics Pulsar envy dot com. If you wanna check out anything there Other than that. I'll give shadow to couple of our best defense Outdoor legacy jason. He's a great guy. Huey outdoors another another good quality Dealer fox office with travis. Those three guys can talk you through any system that you wanna get you know top to bottom. Adc superior outfitters out in east texas. There's a couple ozzy's kenzees out. Yup absolutely key. Smith and keith is an amazing guy one of our top pulsar. Dealers does a really good job with all of our brands. Keesa full on dealer of site mark pulsar. Everything in between so go spend some money. the second amendment needs it. Yeah if you buy some from keith. Make sure he gives you a good deal. Yeah make sure he gives you a good deal and let them know we sent you. Yeah we're definitely going to do this guys to everybody that's in here. We'll give some away. We'll do something. I'll get a graphic today. we'll share. We'll push it. I appreciate pulsar technology. Appreciate jeff coming in what his. We're gonna have a lot of fun. I can't think guys enough want to thank a few of the sponsors head over to wmo told show dot com. Go check him out. Gal technologies rhino metals. For all the tables pulsar thermal imaging technology appreciate those guys and Available kenzees and appreciate blackwater ammunition. Gal wholesales enforce weapon lights and right on appreciate everybody appreciate all you guys We'll roll the real. The rest of the sponsors down below. Click the links. And we'll get. We'll get a giveaway setup. We'll share it out appreciate everybody and shadow to the geeks and games crowd. I saw in here ryan. I appreciate you appreciate everyone. We're out melbourne controversial enough. Just fucking up. Just no one wants to listen to this like rainbows and unicorn day. I'm like okay. i'm over here over your life. i know caddy. We're gonna be some stuff in redfield grand for caddy. They've already reached out to us. Carriers also route. I didn't want to say much. 'cause ruben ruben ruben ad buyer academy. We're really post is were in downstream each other three hours part. So ruben and working here. He's the dropping are.

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End of the Pandemic Edition

Mom and Dad Are Fighting

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End of the Pandemic Edition

"Your words matter so much to the people you care about and writing. Those words in a hallmark card is a great way to share love and encouragement whether times are tough. And you need to send some support or they're going through an exciting life change. You can show you care with a hallmark card. Find cards for all the people. You care about at hallmark dot com slash mom and dad and wherever hallmark cards are sold following. Podcast is for parents. Maybe not for kids. Welcome to mom and dad are fighting. Slates parenting podcast. Thursday march eighteenth. The end of the pandemic addition. I dan choice. I'm a writer for slate. The author of the book how to be a family. And that adds you lyra. Who's fifteen and harper thirteen live in arlington virginia. I am a writer contributor to slates care and feeding parenting column. They're very kind of half me. After i feel for the worst troll ever last week has the least mccollum. I am also the co host of slates wild and wise evening chat show and i am mom to naima who is just about eight years old and we live in los angeles california. I'm elizabeth new camp home school and family travel blogs at such. I'm the mom. Took three little and raising eight oliver his fix and teddy's poor and live in navarre florida. Welcome jamila they love sending in the fake questions to karen feeding. Don't you sweat it time. Someone sent in the plot of little women. I do remember that. I remember that once again with the deep cut. White folks theft about trying to get you so the plot of phantom threat. And you're like what is this on today's show. We are going to tackle the divide between sports obsessed kids and parents who like our letter writer have fallen out of love with sports. That i'm going to sit down with professor. Emily oster chock about what this spring and summer are gonna look like as we approach the end of cova. How should we think about safety and families were some of us are vaccinated and others of us are not. You will not want to miss this conversation. Plus we'll be comparing the songs that would make up the soundtrack to our parenting. But let's start today not with triumphs and fails but with a dilemma. I have a dilemma. I would like jimmy and elizabeth to weigh in on so that. Maybe i can spare myself the fail later on. Here's my dilemma. So you guys remember the old days when people went out right. During those olden days we had a rule with our kids with harper specifically the you could wear makeup at home for fun. But you did not it. You're not old enough to where we said especially didn't wear to school so whatever little lip glosses fine but no like real. Makeup and harbored did not like the rule. You know she would put on these immaculate faces and then she'd be very annoyed when you're like wash it off you have to go to softball practice. So how old was she when when this begins. She's been playing for years and has been annoyed that we've made her take it off for at least since fourth or fifth grade. Okay but while we've told her for all those years is this. Is the thing for high school when you were in high school. You can wear makeup school. You can wear make about the choice but we do now. Wants you to wear makeup out. It's a it's a at home. Play thing so then came kovin as you may recall during the last year of quarantine harper has spent forty five percent of her free time watching makeup videos and perfecting her makeup game. She would like walk into the kitchen after an hour spent in her room with like beautiful elaborate fish drawn on her face. Sometimes she would just come out with a very very fancier dramatic. Look sometimes she just have a very subtle face on but we never anywhere so it didn't matter so we she would just leave it on for a while and we got all smudged. Wipe it off and then you go to bed but this week harper returning to school amazingly. It's hard to believe that such a day has ever come but after three hundred sixty five days exactly out of school she is returning and she's definitely gonna want to wear makeup because now she wears makeup every single day and it's an important part of her life and we've set this rule years and years ago that make up as for high school so the dilemma is. Should we break this rule that we set or should we stand by this rule and continue with our belief that make up is a high school thing. Have you sat down and had a conversation with her about. Oh i'm having conversation you. I think it's time to change the rule given that there has been a change of stuff but my rule but of course i point i think was at a catholic school so there were also rules like it through middle school about make up from the school but a natural look was allowed so as long as it didn't look like we had makeup on. We could wear makeup. And i almost wonder if maybe you're in that phase. Where like the dramatic steph or or any kind of real expression with the makeup is maybe not appropriate but she can do some natural stuff to make herself feel better. Because i mean i think. One of the appeals for makeup. Is that you like the way you look when you wear makeup. I'm not a big makeup person but putting on mascara does a huge thing for my own self esteem and so to be able to give your daughter that going to school in a time in which like. She's been at home now. She's going back in like middle school anyway. Is kind of this awkward time. So can you give her the opportunity to make herself feel a little better. Feel good about herself or the way. She's presenting herself. I feel like a little lip gloss a little mascara. If that's stuff she wants to do and it makes her feel good. But that's the conversation is like why do you want to wear makeup to school. Like why is that important to you. I don't know what do you think one. I can't believe that. I'm literally going through this with name right. Hey mike thing though really clearly. I'm not because i think the big thing. There were the big issue that we're having is that i do it and so it then becomes. Why can't is. That's a little kid problem versus you know now that you've created the thing that they have in common which like now have the expectation and i've seen myself in this way like see myself this way. Why can't i do that anymore. And so i- co-sign the idea about it being natural make up. You know that you can do a little light blush a little concealed or if you've got a pimple or maybe you know tinted moisturizer but That it's also as elizabeth said incredibly important to get to the heart of like what does make up represents to you. And why and figuring out other ways to connect to whatever that is in meaningful ways so if it represents some sort of deficiency or and security then there's something that you'll have to address represents artistry then. What are the other ways that she can express this artistry you know on a day-to-day basis without it being on her face. So is it. You know maybe taking some additional risks and choices around fashion and particularly around color right so one thing that can be really pleasing about putting together good makeup. Look is you know the curation of the you know. Perfect brown on the is which matches the you know pinkish tope on the lip or whatever is that something she can be doing with the architecture of her outfits if she is going to engage with makeup period at age where she's still a little bit young for it. It's incredibly important that she has skincare routine. And i think that's also something that is a pampering thing that feels like a woman. Womanly you know adds that they can take pleasure and pride and and so. Perhaps the rule should be. You know you can do this. Light makeup. look you know. Here's the things that you can wear but if you're going to wear makeup to school you have to adhere to your skin care routine which me. You're washing your face in the morning and you know you can get stuff that smiled and and good for teens can pretty easily if you don't you know dan i don't know that you know the abc's of proper skin care but it it's not hard to late hour. She has a little three steph retain that she has to abide by has to do it and morning and at night because if she's going to be a teenager wearing makeup she's gonna need to know to do those things sooner than later l. She's going to have some skin challenges and so this is also you know adding that bit of responsibility to the fun or creativity or whatever it is that make up represents for her. I would not worry about harper skin. Skin-care not alita. She have one. Yes it takes fucking ever gonna think too. I think that letting her experiments you learn very quickly. Like make is not great for sports. There are certain looks that are really fun to have at the house. But when you're at school all day are totally different right like even just the way like rubbing your i like all of that and which kind of makeup you have and learning. Some of that. I think is a good way to do that with the natural makeup versus like obviously the fish on her face. That smudges you know would be a problem. I liked the idea of like some other kind of expression to so if you're going to stick to the rule about no makeup. What about like giving her times where she can wear the makeup with her front. You know like can she wear it. If she's having people over to hang out. can she wear like. I think it's gotten so much complicated having people over. I mean that's like coming right. And but now you have this thing where she like uses all her free time to do this makeup. Where is that line. So i i feel like it's a good time to revisit. The rule and redefine the rule. That makes makes a little bit more sense. But i it needs to be in a conversation with harper about what her expectations are. And what she wants out of this right. Why do we have the rule. Have a natural agreement. Basically that make up is something for older kids that the natural makeup is better than like outlandish or dramatic makeup. Why like i don't. I'm trying to understand exactly what it comes from. Is that from like nervousness about sexualization that the makeup represents is it just about what not wanting the kid to to work too hard to be older than they actually are. What is the root of this rule that all of us seem to agree. Should be a rule. But i don't know why i think a lot of it. It is everything that you named right. I think the part that we keep is the idea of rites of passage. You know like being short enough to handle and and you something responsibly. And using it responsibly means not intentionally using it to appear older right and so there's a child who simply likes doing make up and when they put on makeup perhaps it makes them look a bit older or like whose attention to look older. And that's just a consequence of their hobby or interest. And then there's the kid you know me Who i shouldn't even say it was necessarily mean it. Thought of myself as mature at an older and if somebody who should be talking solar guys and then make it was part of that. What came with that. I liked makeup. Anyways so i can't say i was putting it on in hopes that it made me look nineteen but it also was a tool kit of the sixteen year old who wanted to be preceded the nineteen year old. If that makes sense right. I think our version two little girls and makeup deeply connected to our fear of their or their you know growing. It's always been there. We're afraid of their sexuality like we're afraid of that part of their lives but there's a reason to be afraid of it at this time because it's it's not about so much fear of what they will do it but what the world will do with it and i think it's unfortunate that we also still act like you know so and shouldn't be able to tell the difference between an eleven year old in makeup and seventeen or eighteen year old you know That's preposterous like times. That attendant in the tenth time when the kid opens their mouth starts talking. You realize it's eleven year old. But i do think it. It's good for us to you. Know that the make becomes a gradual thing that if it's fully just for play at name aged middle school you know that's where you get to pick up your first couple of peace. I think that's i was. I finally allowed to. I was always scamming my mom in ordering me some by like. Let's just attention. The loss and i got a bright red lipstick. Baby stabs. what is the makeup culture like her store. What would it have been. You know i if they had not been out for a year like our kids show just going to full face of makeup or would she the girl with the makeup. That is the thing i mean. I haven't seen any of these kids for year but my memory is that by eighth grade. Some girls are wearing some makeup but hardly anyone is going all out. Yeah and so being the one who goes all out. Is you know it is a choice and it isn't identity and those can be good things and they can also be uncomfortable things and i think that's also something that as somebody who stands out in rooms at times and it's totally okay with that. There's a it's not always the experience that you want to have and so it. It may be something that she considers that this will make her stand out. I think too. It's it's okay to acknowledge that there's like a time and a place for particular looks like we. There are not a lot of professional women that go into work with their. You know night out on the town. Night makeup And this to me is very similar to that is like well when you're at school. A look that makes you feel good is great but maybe one that grabs a lot of attention is not for the academics. But maybe it is okay. That's what i'm saying. When she's going out with their friends or when she is going to activities are going to do something in which having that kind of makeup on is appropriate right and can be cared for but also is a situation in which asking for some attention is okay learning some of those boundaries are good now and so that when you're in high school figuring out like well how much of a smoky i do. I wanna do. The current youths have taken makeup to places that We just haven't so. I think that a lot of the stigma around like a sexy look. You know that girls might have had to deal with when we were coming up and say this is the person who that was. My sister's always referred to my makeup as prime. You know that. I was for years and this was like as an adult is. Looks like i was going to prompt but i think that for them. There's a lot less Assigned to it but again that does not mean that if you are the trendsetter you know in your school. You're the first one to show up daily. Prime makeup might be a an uncomfortable thrown to foist your eyeliner pencil. Pine all right. Thank you both for this. Very good advice as is the case with all mom and dad are fighting dilemmas. Your advice is legally binding. So i will be following it. I'll come back with a full report next week When it turns out we had like an hour long conversation the end result was that i agreed that she can only wear makeup to school. If it's the fish right right well this definitely ends either with that or tears right. I mean there's all right. Let's move on to the business slate podcast listeners. Help us make a better slate dot com by answering our survey. 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Russian roulette went from feeling merely stomach-turning to wrong the nc double a. is exploitative fica self-dealing and corrupt etc and as i think back to my high school days i can see that sports played a negative role in our social lives and archie. Basically my feelings about the culture of sports have entirely swamped my ability to appreciate. How beautiful and exciting sports and athletics can be these days organized. Sports play almost no role in my life. But it's time to sign my four year old twins up for spring soccer. And i know that sports are coming back into my life. Can you remind me of the constructive or valuable aspects of being a sports fan since from the outside kind looks like arbitrary tribalism and often bloodless. If my kids do wanna play sports can you give advice on how to keep their experiences feeling like play and not an unpaid internship which is what being on a series. Sports team. looks like now to me. Generally speaking can you tell me how you square trying to be a good ethical person with being fan of big time college and professional sports. Thank you so. I thought this question kind of had two parts. There's a piece about. Sports is entertainment and the ethics of that. And then this other about your kids playing sports. And i'm gonna start with that to say like whoa. You are a long way off from this problem. Your kids are still really young. And i think there's so many benefits initially two kids playing sports and point. It's more of like a social club in a way to make friends and for your kids to make friends and to give your kids a chance to try something else out. And so. I think the big goal here is just to enjoy recreational sports for kind of what they are and separate all of these things you feel about larger sports teams and and there are so many sports like this question specifically. I think felt like it was talking more about like football baseball basketball. You're kind of larger team sports that are on. Tv that are You know sort of hugely propped up by by colleges in by networks. There are so many things to introduce your kids to from. You know gymnastics fencing diving. All of these snow sports like there are so many things that you can get your kids the opportunity to learn and then be excited for them. When they're excited for something. And i think in terms of your children you don't always get to pick what they're into and i mean listen. I can not hear about pokemon cards anymore. But that's what they're into so that's what we do and we support that because they're excited about it and sports are kind of the same thing if your kid really loves something and is really loving participating in it then you go in your good parents about it. I think you still have young kids. If you don't wanna watch sports or have sports watching part of your family dynamic. That is perfectly acceptable at this age. Like you don't have to have any of that. Be part of how your family operates so you can enjoy kind of this. The value of having your kids play these sports playing for fun playing intramurals without any of the kind of corporate or the way society has dealt with these sports and just enjoy it with your children because it is such a wonderful thing when they when they take to something. Henry really took to diving and he's so into it and he loves to practices like these moves around the house and watch diving and that is something like i can really get into because there is so much joy for him watching other people. Perform elizabeth is right. That your your kids are for your. You've got a solid six to seven years ahead of you where it's not actually hard at all for your kids to just do sports very casually and for it not to feel like an unpaid internship if you choose to make it that way if you make sure that they play lots of different sports instead of just only focusing on one year round if you Make sure that you know if you want to be the parent who does not put your kids on the travel team as we those kinds of parents. That's fine that's totally legitimate choice and you can tell about age eleven or twelve. It's it's just not that hard for your kids to have totally casual fund. Sports experiences get's trickier after that. But that's a whole other set of issues honestly than the issues that you're worried about right now on. Your four year olds are about to sign up for spring soccer shamila. What do you think. I agree on that. You have a long time to go before you had to really handwriting over. what What to do if and when your children decide to engage with sports To the other party or question Which is how do you reconcile being a decent person and supporting College and professional athletics when it comes to something this is pervasive in. Our culture is sports. That's pretty difficult. It's something that does even in its exploitation of players and surrounding communities. In some instances provides a lot of joy and fulfillment and opportunity for a lot of people And so i respect that. I mean i'm morally completely opposed to college courses. The way end the way they exist now. And i think maybe if i were sports fan college sports might be where i draw the line because these are unpaid employees essentially and so if that is a line that you want to draw on your house you can draw that line. You know you can say we watch you know. Professional sports because these athletes are compensated. We go local games with high school students. We don't participate in sports. And that's totally fine. How you will describe these things to your children. In the same way they most of us talk about our values and things that we believe in with their kids and leaving grace for the possibility that they will have their own feelings and their own values and they may feel quite differently about sports and they may want to play college sports. And that's a bridge that you'll cross when you get to it. But i think that is not for you to figure out how to justify or make this morally correct for you because it isn't morally correct me and it doesn't yeah as someone who has gone through a cycle of phantom that i think very closely resembles this letter writers. I think jamila point about your ability as the consumer to make those decisions based on levels of exploitation that you see in these structures is right on you have that power within your household to make those decisions for now you have the power to discuss and negotiate those decisions with your kids as they get older and they develop their own passions and likes and you have the ability. If as this letter sort of suggests to me you feel a little bit of a lack in your life from the sports fandom that you once sort of more passionately embraced if you feel a lack of that kind of beauty and athleticism in your viewing diet or in your personal Playing experience there are a lot of opportunities to fulfil that out there that don't subject you to fee or Or than cwa on the nfl. I do think that as elizabeth is noted there a million sports out there that are no more corrupt in their structures than the average hollywood movie her. Tv show or food. You eat or clothing. You wear which is to say. They're somewhat corrupt but in a way that most of us had made have made peace with. And there's no reason that henry can't be watching diving and and have a great time without elizabeth freaking out about whatever it is that the. Us diving association is doing this. Part of the podcast has not been vetted by lawyers. Anyway i feel like this letter writer would do well to find some of those sports to reintroduce that beauty and athleticism into his or her life and then see what happens when you start to introduce some of these non gigantic non incredibly corrupt sports into the greater lives of you and your children while your children. Just go ahead and play soccer because it's totally fine. While putting your children exposing them to sports as a activity i think is important like having them try out some different activities and see what's out there. Consuming them as a hobby or as a form of entertainment is not like a necessity. And so you don't have to feel compelled to do any of this. And i think you're right to that having the conversation about why big sports problem. Why college sports like as those come up. And as those are in your life have those conversations so they know where you where you are on that and then they are in a position to evaluate that as in their lives and as sports kind of come into their life their values that you share with your kids the same as all the other values that was really well said i will say that is one sport that every family should watch together which is of course competitive cornhole like like on fox sports seven or something It's absolutely absurd. I can't watch. An event in every family would be made happier. I highly recommend dutch canal jumping. They literally put owned canal and sewing themselves over. And it's hysterical. It's just like farmers and a field. I don't think there's any organization to be mad at ridiculous and fun and there's no commentators available right. They either make the canal. They don't make the canal. Lots of options out there. all right. thank you letter writer. I appreciate your writing in overall our our advices relaxed buddy. It's going to be okay. If your kids end up really loving soccer we actually had a great conversation about athletes when you yourself are not sporty earlier this year with the one the only sacrilege and have you on bach willing to that episode in the show notes. I've you would like to tell you to relax. Drop in email at mom and dad at slate dot com or leave a question in the slade parenting facebook group. We'll be happy to pluck it from the group. Answer it here on the show. It feels good to show up for the people you care about whether they're experiencing trying times or going through big life changes one of the best ways to show them. You care is by reaching out with a hallmark card. 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Grandparents are getting vaccinated kids returning to school. At least my kids are over the next few months. We're going to be once again. Recalculating are perceived risks basically on a daily basis as things changed for us for our kids. So i'm very very happy to have on the show. Emily oster the data oracle pandemic parenting. She's a professor of economics at brown. She's the author of the parent data series of books the third of which the family firm coming out in august. Her newsletter has been a must read for pretty much every parent. I know over the past year so. Welcome emily around to see you. Good to have you here so you we've been republishing a newsletter stories on slate and there's one of them in particular that i wanted to jump on Where you start talking about what the spring and the summer are likely to be like with the new. Cdc guidance that we're seeing so let's start with the spring and then we'll get to the glorious summer to come so last week the cdc released these new guidelines for interactions particularly between vaccinated and non-vaccinated people. So what does that guidance mean for families where for example grandma and grandpa have gotten the shot but mom and dad and kids have not on the shot. So the cdc. You don't think went in this sort of pretty good intermediate spacier and said that when the high risk people grandparents are are vaccinated. They should feel comfortable getting together. A unmasked inside with the this sort of unvaccinated people assuming that that second group is low risks. Assuming you have low risk parents. You have low risk kids. Nobody's got immune compromise issues That that kind of get together can happen and can happen in kind of an enormous like hug the grandparents all that kind of stuff you don't necessarily have to do a bunch of quarantining before and after it can just be like seeing them like we used to just regular no fourteen day quarantine. Wash your hands and stuff like that try. I mean we shouldn't be doing that anyway. You know for those of us who have been sort of waiting for guidance. Like this from the cdc. I think we've felt like it's been a long time coming. And i'm sure there are versions of it. We could have imagined that would be like even more lenient but when you say that you feel like they sort of hit the right middle ground like where do you think that's coming from. And is there some version of these guidelines that could have been much stricter that that you think would have been on necessarily so disease. He has been quite cautious about sort of giving permission for vaccinated people to do stuff. So i think a lot of the messaging has been sort of like okay. When you're vaccinated your. You're protected but we don't know if other people are protected and i think for me that's been a little bit frustrating because basically every piece of data that we have had and everything we know about how vaccines work has suggested that. The reduction in risk of transmission has got to be very high. Is it one hundred percent like noah's on one hundred percent but there was some this messaging early on that sort of sounded like people thought it was zero. You know. I think a lot of people got idea. We'll just because i'm vaccinated doesn't mean there's any less risk that would transmit to. You could still be a superspreader. Even if i've had the vaccine exactly. And i think there's just nothing that would make us think that was true and so as we've gotten more date i think this new guidance embraces that idea that in fact you know people who are vaccinated. Yes not completely out of the question that they could conceivably You don't spread the virus but it's really really really really unlikely and hugely reduced from from pre maximum. So i think this new guidance basically recognized that there are definitely people think they should have gone further and said look once you're vaccinated like j. off your and lick people It's totally fine. And i think you know part of why they're only saying to lick your grandkids Is i think there's some there's some worry that That were just you know. We're we're so close to having enough vaccines for kind of more like a hurt anything that you just want to hold on a little bit more to not doing crazy stuff a sharp rebuke to the anti licking. Prude's of the cdc exactly so spring break is coming Are you expecting to see a lot of family travel. And and how should we feel about that. How should we do that. If we're the ones who are traveling. I think we will definitely see more family travel. I think we will Available certainly see more family travel. That is in line with with the cdc I mean i can see that in emails that again and the people that i talked to every day that you know there's a lotta people who have waited basically year to see grandparents And you know now those people are going through. Second does and this is an opportunity to you know. Leave your kids with them and go Do something with your spouse and not with your children. I'm not saying we'd all wanna do that. The the glory of what. You just said incredible. Yeah i mean we will see some some of that. I certainly sort of living inside the. Cdc guidelines is is reasonable. I think a lot of what people are wondering about. Is you know what is the mode of travel for not who travels to wear. And how should we think about that. And that's a place. Where the cdc kinda like dropped the ball a little bit in terms of actually providing people guidance so they didn't still like don't travel but of course you know it's not obvious why not based on the other things that they've said and so i think that's that's a little people are fudging that a little bit. My kids are back in school this week. In addition to work you've been doing in talking about the data on family. Get togethers and things like that you also for much of this year have spent a lot of time writing about schools and while we know about schools and safety in school so can you just give us a little update on what the latest research is telling us about safety in the school environment and about how nervous i should be about my kids spreading the virus in a school. Yeah i mean if are our data has sort of always kept getting more reassuring And so we as we have learned more it has continued to suggest that schools are low. Risk environments you know not to say that no one could ever get cogan schools but that is not very common. It's not an environment which we're seeing a lot of a lot of spread any the other thing we're learning more about over time is Is the sort of directions of spread so for example a steady last week to get that much attention but of schools in new york and transmissions in new york and in cases where they can identify an index gays in this fall number of what seemed like in-school transmissions it was you know eighty percent of it involved a staff member and so there was very little sort of student to student spread which is both reassuring from the standpoint of the fact that teachers and staff staffer the higher risk group. But also as we move into this spring lot of those people are being vaccinated. So we're kind of looking at place in the next month or two. Were actually almost all the teachers at least will have had an option to be maxine. Needed once you shut off that method. Then you're really talking about very low risk environment. the only kind of possibility is kid to kid spread. We know that's not happening much at all if it does those. Those kids are themselves very low. Risk so at ease you feel good about it. Let's talk about the summer. When the time comes that most parents vaccinated and the general population of adults is starting to see real vaccination. What is the argument for continuing to mask for continuing to social distance You know what is it purely. Just we are setting good examples. Is there real benefit that it's still going to give as we approach cova zero or herd immunity so really a hard question I mean i you know. I think we are going to need to move back to normal and by normal i mean. Regular interactions with people and not wearing masks over time and not constantly socially distance. And i think if last june we had been where. I think we will be this june in kind of vaccinations space. I think that would have been much easier. I think people would have been much more comfortable saying okay. Great we do it. We did it. It's over like data my mask off and having an having a good time i think because of a really the trauma the however you would describe the last the last year. It's going to be the except for people to jake masks often so as we looked at things like camps this summer people ask you know my kid really going to have to wear masks. They can't like didn't last summer and of course the disease situation. This summer is likely to be much better. I think it's going to brazil going to have a little bit of of sort of residual feeling like we need those things if maybe science isn't quite there so i'm not sure where we'll end up on that kind of stuff for the summer. I am curious about how normal summer will feel for kids particularly and the camp question i think is a big one for a lot of people I know you've said that you are sending your kids to camp. I'm anxious and desperate to send my kids to camp. But i keep getting these mixed messages from these camps like it's a several of the camps that my kids are supposed to go to particularly the ones that are on college. Campuses have very unexpectedly just in the last week announced that they're going all virtual again this summer for reasons that i don't fully understand and i'm still trying to figure out and other camps i think especially sort of more traditional overnight woodsy. Foresty camp seemed basically unconcerned. If you are apparent with kids and you are sort of feeling that last little bit of nervousness like well. I'm going to be vaccinated. My parents are going to be vaccinated but my kid isn't vaccinated and i don't know when they're going to get accelerated. What does that mean to be in the summer where everyone's vaccinated except the kids is just writing about this and i think the the freemen i i in some ways of sort of suggested people put on this. Is you know the big goal. Vaccines is to reduce serious illness and death that you know that's what we're trying to produce with our with our vaccine we think about the effectiveness of vaccines. That's kind of the numbers. Where citing were so excited about the vaccine. We have because they take this. What for older adults is a you know huge risk of hospitalization and death in kind of produced by just really big reductions in risks. The thing is that you're nine. Ten year olds is already vaccinated adults from those standpoint. You know. I mean it's like it's true this or if you think about the reduction in in hospitalization or death death risk from being ten rather than being easy. You know. It's ninety nine point. Nine percent is ninety eight percents. It's actually better than the visor scenes. Oh you know you would be comfortable sending your your grandparents to camp Which you know what. I don't know if they would enjoy the kayaking but swim lessons. Perhaps if you would feel comfortable doing that like that your kid. Your kid is there. I'm hoping that maybe a hopeful way for people to sort of think about the relative risk for kids because they think we've gotten in this space. Were like okay. Well until my kids are in. Can't let them out but will already you're letting your grandparents out like kids out. It is funny. How you know i i in my experience. Vaccination vaccination campaigns essentially mean the virus itself is basically a non factor in my life. I never have to think about it at all. And it's hard to imagine some future in which we basically never have to think about covert at all even if we still live in a world where sometimes people get very mild versions of cove ed including possibly us or our kids but maybe it is just the trauma the last year that makes me hard to think of cove in the same way that i now think of other things that we get back for. That haven't been eliminated from the earth. They just are really no longer a concern. I'd like dramatic concern. A lot of what i think is going on is. This risk is so salient to us. E were thinking about it all the time that it's very hard to to kind of think about is just like a regular risk the way we think about a lot of other things which may ultimately be comparable in the kind of risk space right so so of course. Kobe has been a much bigger yellen for for older people. Vaccinated is much higher than these other these other things but as it moves to be a smaller more risk. It's going to take a really conscious like mental shift to sort of move it into the bucket of okay like small things which occasionally i think about but i probably to worry about too much from this front of mind all the time of constantly worrying about it's hard to shrink to the right risks is in his right. We need to be able to think of covid grocery store sushi or something and like just be. Yeah ooh that you know basically remember what they told my kids when they left for spring break last year and they they had this little thing sort of contenders reassuring about you know their their kids risk and it was like you know this is a cold And of course it is cold for kids and you know ultimately with vaccines admitted cold for us like we get those kind of a lot from our kids and other people weirdly not this year and maybe just end up wearing masks. One of the things i think will be grappling with. Is there something more to learn about. This is the is the flu numbers from this year right so if you look at pediatric flu deaths. Typically that's about two hundred year this season there was one in the. Us one pediatric ludek. Some combination of the masking for less than saying know school off that people did have totally changed the flu season. Now it's probably not worth it But are there any things that we did that. Really do move needle. That might be worth adopting a little bit in the interview. Last question for you and i'm so grateful for the time that you've given me. This is really the most important question. When can i sing karaoke again. You know man two weeks after you're saying you go to karaoke with your other vaccine three creates now thank you. Emily asked. We're going to have a link to the newsletter on our show page. The new book comes out in august. The last few been really great. I one having pregnancy the second one having to do with infancy and early childhood. This third one is hitting what what stage kind of five schwab school year. All right thank you so much. Emily this has been great. We love having you on the show. We have come to the part of the show. Where each one of us individually offers to you our listeners a recommendation we call his part of the show recommendations elizabeth. What do you have. Okay you know. I have been on the search for some kind of game. I can play with the younger members of the household. That didn't drive me crazy. And i think i found it and i'm sure there are many versions of this. 'cause i don't think this is some kind of but this game is called blink. It's a card game and the cards have Different shapes that are different colors and different numbers on every card and basically the goal is to go as fast as you can to match the card in the center either by shape or color. The way i play is a two player game. But i divide the deck in half and then you know the two younger ones. The six and a four year old are a team. And you're supposed to only three cards so they can each hold three. So they're playing six cards. I'm playing three cards. they win. sometimes i win. Sometimes i don't have to pretend to go slower. I can go as fast as i need to go. And with them doubling up. It's super fun. I enjoy playing it. I feel like there's color matching their shape matching their number recognition. It hits all my educational goals. And i'm actually enjoying playing. The card game is called blink. That's a great one. You're right that it is really good for that ever difficult to find competitive level. Where your kids win. Sometimes so they're not always pissed off but you're not so bored out of your mind. There's other game that works on very similar game mechanics called spot it. That was a big yet. Arcades where exactly your kids age that also works in a similar way also a great game. I play that with henry. But i gotta get that out for these two. Because it's it's fun to actually be playing with them and not like. Oh what are you holding jamuna. what about you. I'm trying to curb my daily coffee. Habit I love nut milk and soy milk but i do not enjoy them with coffee when i have coffee cream or milk and usually something sweden there so i've taken up for. I'm trying to get into Macho an compooter. Which like the ladder. Even the best commotion kinda tastes like say like i happen. You had like catch up for some like hash. Browns and jelly for like a biscuit or something and they touch each other. that's Taste like to me like it's almost good for a minute. Pistol sponsored by the american association. A little flavor just laughs through somehow. But i'm getting through it. I know it's very good for you and has always. i'm so sorry. But everything that i've had with much and it just tastes like There's green powder in here. And i don't know what everyone else mind so pleasing about it. So i thought. Maybe i've smoked part of my palate or something but i have found a macho drink that i really enjoy my macho bar and it's called hustle. Much see lemonade. It's got caffeine and it tastes. Like lemonade doesn't taste like grain powder. It's very good and it gives me a little extra pep in my step Very nice this week. I'm recommending a big and exciting purchase. That our family has finally made after months. Maybe years of talking about it We made the big leap. The other weekend bought an e bike. I've wanted one for a really really long time. I finally ordered it so far. It has been exactly as great as i hoped it would be. For those of you don't know An electric assist biking. He bike is. It's basically a regular bike but it just has a battery powered motor attached to the gives. You a boost whenever you pedal so you can coast as long as you want but as soon as you start pedaling a wind pushing you behind it can be a little boost. If you're just riding around or it can be like a big fucking boost if you're going up a big hill ever since we got back from our trip when we just loved riding around the netherlands we have complained endlessly ad nauseam. I'm sure everyone we know about how hard it is to replicate that experience in arlington. because it's just full of fucking giant hills. You can't go a block in any direction from our house without ascending just like a horrible back shattering hill. That at the end of which you like. Well this is terrible. I'm so sorry. I ever took this bike app but on an e bike. You don't have to worry about the hills you you bike you start pedaling. You go up a steep hill and you're just pedaling away like you liked granny on a bicycle and then at the top of the hill and it didn't hurt. It was incredible. You just fly up. The hill like magic. So i'm totally addicted. My goal for this spring and summer is that every trip of five miles or less during which. I'm not intending to carry back like seven bags of groceries and to do on the e bike just riding around this past weekend when it was sixty degrees maybe just so incredibly happy about this coming spring and summer and what. They're going to be like how free. I think i'm going to feel just made my weekend so i'm really enjoying this. E bike a we got a a rat. E bike is the name of the brand. It's quite a popular brand. Due in part to the fact that they're just significantly cheaper than most other e-bikes but so far has been great and we have left it a lot and if it if you are in the market in your family for a way to get around your neighborhood in sort of the one two three mile radius a a little bit faster and a little bit easier especially if you have ills. I really recommend it all right. That is it for our show one last time if you would like us to weigh in on your under absurd alema's email us mama. Data dot com posters. 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"Isaiah man what is happening. It is the kid. Brendan smith from sequester season. Four here to stop by and let you listeners. Know that it's time to buckle up. It's time to strap in. It's time to question yourself and get to listen is is is a purple pants podcast. Y'all test blood. It's the purple pants. Cash she betty kitchen the purple pants. Podcast she met her cash china. Why why at the purple pants podcast. You try herbie. Right bans simply decadence for me with poppet it. Welcome to this week's episode of the purple pants podcast. I m you're simply decadent host breath as they and i hope everybody is good. Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode purple bass by gas. Listen you already know is simply decadent. Over here yeah. How's everyone been doing how y'all you know. Y'all put up to christmas tree yet. Because i've been seeing more and more people got they halliday trees up but before we get into all of this all of that. Please make sure you're subscribing semi podcast on apple podcasts. Spotify podcast make sure you guys write a review. I love to redo reviews. Make sure you give your baby boy. Some five stars tell a friend. That's a friend's a friend. But what's been going on charlotte some our purple pants posse for tune in every week with me. I appreciate you shout out to my new listeners. Was in come on in and get some of this simply decadence come on in sit on down and welcome to the simply decadent show. We papin shout out to my listeners. There's checking me out. 'cause you know your baby boy is us job on the hit. Tv show survivor twenty-eight streaming nail net netflix. Who want me boo. Oh don't play with me. Even get me started. the fan. love is still coming in constantly. i'm humbly Honored that you know this own this disturbed boop still out here making noise but anyway i'm so excited for this episode s. A lot going on the holiday season is upon us while nawab just screamed like that powerhouse But yeah the holiday season is about us. And i'm excited. I'm going back and forth. Whether or not i'm going to get a christmas tree to sheer. I'll know y'all know how i get around the holidays like i love the holidays but sometimes it's hard for me to get into the holidays and then especially when we in a pandemic yudo like you out so it's a lot of different factors but whether or not i get a christmas tree or not i you know. Starting my holiday shopping. Although i've been starting my holiday shopping well before thanksgiving however now that we're like in the holiday swing of things. I had told my twitter family. But i'm it's how y'all all of my gifts this year that i'm like now. Managing my list is really really small because see the way my budget is up. It's really really small. So yudo got you know rent. I got bit. You know you real life we end up here so you know. I'm blessed to have a job. So you know i really you know spending all that money will get this year you know. I'm just trying to look at the simply decadence however and you know. I'm always trying to think of a way that i can give back or that i can make my gifts meaningful as so i have decided this year all of the gifts that will be given which is not many as two or three. Okay i can't stress that enough because see the way. The budget is set up. I'm just trying to make sure all now but all of the gifts that giving this year i want them to come from a black owned small business and for me. That's my way of giving back. And yeah so and i know some people were like. Well what do you mean like. Listen a lot of friends that own businesses. I follow a lot of people. Online that are entrepreneurs like myself and i want to support them and instead of going to you. Know macy's saying you know sorry. Gay wa- bar. You're not that i've really gifts from walmart. Although i do get better the bags from walmart abedin the bank is for myself so that does not count but instead of going to those major corporations that are failing on fine during this crisis in our nation. I want to try to give back to people that are entrepreneurs that are small businesses. And i encourage you guys to do the same. And maybe doesn't have to be a black owned but maybe you guys can just support your local businesses in your areas support small businesses or lying. You know i just you know that for me and again as we're calling myself entrepreneur but i really am no because i'm really out here just doing my little thing and i appreciate this the poor and without the support of you guys. I don't know how i it just wouldn't exist. And so i just want to extend that support that you give to me to others and so i'm just out here I know there's a mind juicy. The issue is i really want tell you some of the places that are been but a lot of my friends and family listened to the podcast and they would athlete. He got me for christmas. So i won't. I won't go into details but there are a lot of small businesses like my cousin of butter. He owns a clothing store in philadelphia. Called casual luxury. Had him on my podcast before some supporting him. There are a lot of other. Like i found a lot of candle makers on at sea that were black owned. I'm so and there's a harry. It's bookstore so you know. Uncle bobby's bookstore in philadelphia to black owned bookstore. So i'm just thinking outside of the box you know last year my way of thinking outside. The box was that i got light. Personalized gift wrapping for everybody. So everyone that. I bought a gift for like specifically went out to look for personalized gift wrapping. But see again the way. The budget is set up this year. I still got a lot of different from last year. And because the simply decadence of it all day just going to get the paper. But i just really thought to myself what is something that how could give back in a small way and that's just really what i'm doing this year and so you know the gifts might be small of this year but it's more about it's the meaning for me. So you know baby boy show lynn. I had a really good weekend. This weekend started watching selena. Nobody was the selena netflix series k. More okay thanks so magic. I'm slow walking it. Because and i know you like to a little bit of my research and so i went on lie and i saw a lot of people compare and get to the jennifer lopez version will number one so i seen the first episode and in the first episode. I seen enough to know that the series is amazing. Casting is amazing. You know selena sister. What they're like bucky like the casting is amazing So i started also my friend. Sarah shot outside the one only sarah. She was telling me about this show. what amazon. Call uncle frank who. It was a tough watch. is is like this it was about this Gay guy who grew up in the south like the nineteen seventies And you know. His family didn't really know about him. But i don't wanna give it away but it was like a good to feel good movie but bay i'll i don't i wouldn't necessarily say it's a feel-good movie but it It was very realistic. And it. just kinda sorta made me appreciate for me being openly gay black man to just know the struggles of the other people are not other people of the other. Gay men have come before me what it was like for them. So and that type of essence it just kind of made me appreciate my life and i was just steps the relief. That's all she wrote this weekend. And i've been filling orders. So that's but anyway i'm just rambling on your today. Listen what's bed. But i'm excited about this week's episode. Okay simply jackets donate me. Wh- where k from. I'm one of those people that out here. Something and it will literally just sticking my head for. We got a great episode for you guys this week. You know we kicking off with our church announcements guy. We welcome back to your heart seller to give us the recap of the season finale of the real housewives of potomac got my boo brooke cam. High the winner of her season amazing race. I've got my boo bet. Were breaking down this last episode of the mixing race. And then you know the show euphoria. We covered it here before in the podcast. They released in a special christmas episode. I don't know. But i watched it. And i give you guys my thoughts on it. We've got the purple pants. Picks and freak of the week. Okay so what else more is there for me to do. Other than let's get the simply decadence of the church announcements started. I don't know what voice that were but it sounded jackie lintz. If decadence was an ex smoker that still possessed decadence. what Own church announcements and on this week's church announcements at just have to give a shout out to my survivor. Here turned into friend three fields. If you don't know three is hosting a threes holiday party say okay. December nineteenth from five pm to six thirty. Pm eastern standard time bay and some of your favorite survivors. Okay poverty ozzy tight thin. Dave caro allies the my l. max dossier just to name a few and sandra diaz to one. I will be in the building okay. We're doing some survivor trivia. Rooms were doing a puzzle competition and already told severe reassess over you know i love you girl. You my idol beg bay. I'm about to whoop that ask and then puzzle. Get ready okay. And i know adam. Klein is going to be doing a workshop on casting. So this is definitely a holiday party that you don't wanna miss okay. A person of the proceeds will be benefiting sunday request and her fight against cancer. Okay so the tickets are forty dollars. You can then mo or cash app to the refills and there's a flyer floating floating around on my page sirri page from sure you guys will see so. I hope you guys are in. The building is so crazy. You know. I won't be up in near will say. Hey ozzy excellent if you want to make only fans that you'll want me but anyway so let's say support a good cause okay and then last on the church announcements you'd You want me to say it. The zante calendars and hot grow. Calendars are flying off the show. Thank you so much for your support. But i'm just warning you guys now. I'm getting low. And when i mean now i'm getting toward the end on a barrel and i listened. I said this last year. And then i ended up ordering more. I'm not ordering mortis year okay. Day limited okay. Does she so if you watch his zadie calendar if you want a hot girl calendar you wanna get them for somebody for christmas or you. Just you know you wanna go into twenty twenty one. Where the vati or hot girl. I'm lee you know water room now because they go like hotcakes. Mysteriously i honestly am on the verge of selling out. Which is i just the support that i receive from you guys are so real and from the bottom of my heart. Thank you so much but seriously if you guys are looking to get them for holiday gifts or whatever or rum while they last because when they go on they bought to be like monica so gone i mean. That's not how the song go. But the monica saw so but yes and that's going to conclude this week's church announcements is a made man. You took enough great student and keeping them and you rolling. I'm so excited. Because the season finale of oh wait hold on one second. What is going on what he art to decide to love you. Sorry this is now. What i find really. I did not need that so go to kansas. Okay you know what i honestly. The song was good but it wasn't because of her so whatevs. I'll give it to him. Sir shout out to the producer. That i didn't know we had ashley darby here. On the epithet getty show Go but welcome ashley you have to do. Because let's just five right in and chat but anyway this this was this was the best season of potomac period. I own yeah ok jazz. The best season of potomac. I'm just saying it got juicy. This season i had i had some. Yeah i had to meet to grab onto it agency. Okay before we get into the season. Finale we gotta go back to karen's week shift party. Okay wait a minute now. I wanna rewind even further back to the bath tub. And i just wanted to say one little thing about the bathtub and then we can. Mom is that. This is what i like about karen right cairn is on tv trying to like quasi sex herman down in front of the whole world and she don't care you don't care okay. She looked she talked about whole the and told these and all this other kind of stuff and she don't care okay. I just want to see that. And that is why i love hearing. Show care. she'll care about ninety odd neither. Does raymond okay. 'cause appeal about forty five minutes to a hour before any anything like that happen. Well by the time they get out of the backfield so you know whatever it's all these these they gotta go. Raymond couldn't even get up to steph gay holler for like twenty minutes even in the bathtub. He edge and his way up. He got the chair going up the railing that he needs us. There live another. Ah okay so back to that last week's episode another interesting what. I felt with awkward. Was ashley her mom and uncle. Lump having dinner with michael talking about michael cheating ashley. I just like your mary. So tell me as gimme a mary. Person's perspective with that now weird. It was very weird. It was very weird. Because well first of all i mean like i understand that they wanna call him out and try to keep him accountable. But i don't know how i feel about my family like call in my husband out on the carpet like that's a private conversation between like if you want to you know. Get some straightening with my husband. You don't need a audience to do so okay. That's what i was feeling but lie. I don't know was just weird I'm jumping all over the place but anyway after the conclusion of this season i'm convinced ashley is in this relationship to have these babies into this money and get out but anyway we'll put that on the back burner the whigs shift party now. I know i have to explain to the listeners. What happened. But i really want to know your take on it but anyway we know monica candidates. They had a falling out. On crohn's palm is a great friend to both of them. Allegedly and you know. She's pouring in the monique. And you know allegedly pouring into kansas and so. She's having this week shift party because she's launching another company but she's really the face of the company because we know that it's the hair stylist wig and he's just putting hair he should putting cairn's name on it to sell weeks. But what do i know. I just mind my business purple pants podcast land but anyway that is is that you know well. We was in portugal drinking. Point shaw karen berry. Clearly say your girl there clearly say mony because not invited to to the to the week. Shift party okay. And then you know we see going out to dinner with her and she is saggy. Oh i never said that. I didn't say that i always had monuc was invited. let's fast forward. And just say. Let's just summed up by saying the ground dom grown liar so okay. Let's jackie we're playing symbol. I think she really was think straight up lie and tried to cover her tracks. But in my opinion and my positive opinion that i have the ground dom. I felt like maybe she was trying to mend fences and she should have been mending her business. Absolutely and then. Ashley who is always bellizzi told the group dad will actually told the group what monique sohar her. Nick caring until monique that you know. If you if you happen to see girls you should stand your ground. Speaking peace now that that does sound like a ground lawyer and not a ground mentor but anyway that was the week party and then alleged though i have to say that the funniest thing that came out of the week shift party didn't actually happen and the whigs shift party but it was ashley trying to tell michael about the week shift part and he was like which shift and then she was like about to explain what we shift but she was like now. I'm just gonna tell you the rest of it. That was the funniest thing. They came out of the dog on party so whatever it was a messy lie and then the grand don went off a her chicken. We're ray right which is just another lie. But anyway i i a pairing to go to florida for listen but shot to the grounds on which is an hsen or eight. H s. Hss hsen shopping network. Yes yes so props to her looks. She may only be the face but their faces on in. Whoa no i believe that is her company for the perfume but it's definitely not her company with the week. She's just the name on the face of the way because we saw we saw the week maker at that part but anyway back to the season finale. Okay so where do we even like this. He's the finale. Was really really good. I'll tell you where. I'd like to star and wins getting their nails done by the twins. Monique and her mother because clearly. Kansas march candice candice in her mum. So candidates mum clearly went to the same hairdresser. They got the same extensions like they like twins going into the day fades. Clearly it was clearly it was candidates mom who beat both of them flatly that i see how it all back. Yeah okay so. I don't know where where joe goes. Well okay. i promise you won't make no jokes. If you promise not to play that damn song girl but go his so anyway they were getting hotter and they were basically talking about it. Looks like that kansan. Her mom are in a better place which is great and it's just funny because she was just talking about the dichotomy of how she was really growing close to the dom in kind of considering her her surrogate and the you know very important woman in her life know just below her mother and how things have changed yes because she's basically grown closer to her mom and away from the dom. The dom is off at in raise. Like i would come with you. But i don't wanna go off as she is off and while she's there we get the background. I'll tell you this for me. I really saw what i was waiting for for a long time out of the dixon dynasty. So i love. We talk about therapy. The yes girl. Yes that was very real and raw therapy of the dixon dynasty The best things that. I have seen come out of her and him. I thought they were really honest. I thought that you know. They cut through all the bullshit and like literally. They boiled it down to a firkin like two minutes of look. We was young. we was dumb. We didn't take it seriously. We jumped in too fast. We did too much We got divorced and we grew up and we realized how important we were to each other. We decided that we loved each other enough to make it work into. Forgive each other and move for. I thought it was beautiful. It was gorge. I i was here for an i. I don't know why when i watched shows get emotional also. I was like crying a little bit. But this that i always do that. So that was great to see them. Kind of come full circle then. We know that they're having this party and you know they're planning this holiday party. Which in my opinion like robin had to have known but anyway they're all i like how they're like every year. We do a holiday party and they showed pictures one from one thousand nine hundred eighty six. I'm like they house at the house. And i've grown up watching for three and a half years and i don't recall you hosting any party but anyway i mean the gorge that a nice little of the event space. It was everybody came. Which was well you know. Everybody was vitamin who came came child. You know shot came. I last wish i sigh. We're do. She had little day alice foolish. Asa shocked sway hotel hurt. They line reminded me a little rick fox net and five silver fox hunting comes. He was very listen. Shasha might have thought you started a season. She going to be back on the show. She must have thought she was about to be a friend of a friend of the shell because they did give shasha a lot of time. I always hate how they do cherise though because if i mean i guess if you do because series has live from housewife to then friend of the show because th th the first after cherise was not on. She was like she felt like she was a housewife day. Just demoted her. Because she was the part of everything then the next season like we didn't see her much and then like this season she gets brought on like as like like her title was like kansas friend. I feel like bravo. You need to do our ex housewife's better you i. I would prefer it to actually say like former house away. Yes like why so shading. But anyway i thought she she she fights and she was. Cherie thurn is gorgeous. I don't know if have you ever seen her her son. You tell me. We had this conversation before podcast. We're on the phone both on the phone. Okay definitely but i have not seen. I think you might have sent me a picture. So the scroll back scrolled. I'll send it gear so anyway so the big issue is is that like or no. This is like would they try to set the tone. Is that ashley getting ready for the party. And she's talking to her husband and she's like yeah and i've heard from cell. That one's going to propose and michael's i thought would never happen. Let me tell you something. Michael was scorned jealous. Person who all he was acting like a straight up jump off like. Oh it's fine it's fine. Yeah it's fine. No it's totally cool. I know what's going on like. Oh we're totally. Yeah we're we're connected. Were sold our soul. Speak to each other child last season. He said he wanted to suck something. We never knew who he wanted to suck his soul known. It's take a couple of souls but anyway okay all right so yeah. So michael was totally okay. All you can do right now is really played that song after the after. You said that. So so yeah so. Michael is one of those people who is like a good drunk not okay. He is definitely a doctor. Mr jekyll dr hive. What's the how you say your doctor dr. Jekyll and mr hyde. He like after this whole some champs decoder back i just got put some talk about michael barone. He put the chance. Why dixon to but not not mike walk. You get it okay. He bought the only husband wanted to show that. Can you can take let me tell you the way he got down on one knee and i felt him loafers. No socks lofa. I was like do it do you sir. Yes she's gonna say yes or somebody else will jump up and say michael had been ideal wall and it was weird to see their bromance between one and michael because early on maybe two seasons ago was very standoffish against michael allegations. I think that it's a one sided romance to be quite honest. I believe it. But i michael was really like weirdly obsessing over wansick's and when he got so upset and it was like he cared more about what wants said than what his wife was thinking and feeling stuff like that and the more and you can't even talk to you know they say. Alcohol is the liquid truth teller. Whatever kansas supposed to be performing. Oh oh kansas supposed to be performing cash cocaine from hearth thought is the grand cat. Well she said that she because the grand. I cannot talk tonight grand. Just keep just playing tiny. That's the clip. The clip mestia is the souls coming back. But how many spicy spicy little chat here. Oh so yes candice in the car warming up her voice because she has been thinking cute. Though do you think. Do you think. Chris cute not not not big boy. What's kansas. yeah yeah. I think he's actually. I think it's more is both named chris. Okay double check. I like chris tube so she's warming up but what i was saying. Was that the last time that people have seen The grand jaw was around the whig shift party as she left abruptly but then she sent a text message to the group kind of sort of saying like see. I told tony to come at three and cans at six but ken. This has been spilling the girl. No you called me and told me to come at five but anyway. So they're all talking about how they don't think the grondahl is going to show up and then he'll abou- right as she was. Give us a long explanation abou a plane. And i don't know just just telling you really weird but then candidate performed her song which i will not play the clip. But i though i'll tell you it was good so it started off. I'll pull the covers over my head. 'cause i was like ooh tests. So you know me. Being a recording artist that has had a song. That has peaked in charts. You know. I know what it's like to perform in front of large crowds. So i like the one in your bedroom with no okay. Maybe there's been a time that but that was awkward. But anyway we get through. We gotta get to the nitty gritty. So why ends up proposing. It's a celebratory time. All the girls are going crazy. Oh another okay. Let's also gets to another awkward thing. Baby winches zell pull up to that party. Where her stylists everything was wrong. It was all in no for me in. If you wanna talk about giselle and her outfit was cute. Though i was let me tell you it was i am a cure. Showed up and showed her how it was supposed to be. Worn care looked mass. No than chicken chain necklace was a no but everything else this again. Giselle has an issue with the length and height of her attire. On the bottom and again she had her she had on pants. She had on high water pants. Girl panthers hit the ground. Boo grow grow. Okay because you love the girl. Let's talk about she pants. Pajama pants that you wear those. I don't understand your point. that's fine you you have because there is nothing wrong with cheetah hanson or cheetah print. Okay i okay. I don't know where he is saying. But okay so. What i was gonna say is the proposal was trace we and it was touching and we had already gotten the background to the dixon dynasty. So it was. Everybody loved it and the crowd went wild What were your thoughts on the actual proposal. I liked the i thought it was cute. I liked how it just came right after the thing. It was really really great. Then afterwards you know. Michael wanted to congratulate congratulate or or be mad at his ex lover so they started jumping. Correct the jump up and earlier in the episode macro said that he was only going to be drinking coronas because anytime he drinks at events. There's always issues but anyway that's that's at-at dot dot dot. But i'll digress on that so the girls are just enjoying their time. Karen the dom arrives late in tacky and She is you know shasha and what no smoke because once started talking about the plane. Shasha cherie was like. I'm about to get a drink. So then her in kansas start going back and forth and i'm interested to know your opinion so when they start screaming very drunk michael and we already know that kansas has been does not like michael. Candidates hasn't been as one of the people day as heard him say that he wanted to suck a whatever it was a soul. Yes that's what he's say. No and we know that they the dillard's or i don't really know where candice's husband's last name is but anyway we know that dan. So fond of ashley. Michael and actually michael finding him so at my chris. Her husband chris mooney chris. Kansas has been minding his business. Having a drink at the bar. And here comes michael. You're why not. Good lock chris they're very sternly. Says you need to shut the f up. I am might you. Chris so you tell me what you think because i want to know what you think from this point of like was there go ahead. Okay so what. I think was candidates as a drama queen and girl. That's not what i ex- jew first of all. You asked me to talk so we can't do it at the same time. Anyway as i was saying candidate isn't drama queen. And she shouldn't have got loud right so but this is what she does. This is a repeated pattern And i don't think chris did honestly anything wrong. I think mark usa aso. I think canvas is a drama queen and he said the u anybody talk about my wife like that and i think that you know he did approach. Michael and michael was being the drunk guy in a bar and took it over the top and hit me a but did you notice how he kept. going from. Hit to touched can hit happy. She touched me so then as she got involved and when she was trying to calm him down but they all know calming him down. He just got jilted by his lover. He's drunk. He told off in a bar full of people. It was on their way. The ball was rolling down the hill and it is stop and gravity okay. That's what i did not like from ashley. And that's how you know she's been waiting for this moment so once. Michael darby told ashley that her husband him because he kept going back and forth say in touch as she script strand through the process. Say you seem only. I mean you. Can't this you organize key control. Get like you know. She just wanted to drive that point home. Like oh okay but you you or your husband can't control their sales and so candice started going off popping off and then candice in our husband kind of of exit to the hallway security was getting might together and you know and this is what mike i gotta call my i. I'm gonna club like i. I just wanted to say. Michael did not calm down until one of our i who what isn't it. How like if you watch you know. We would these like lifetime movies. But isn't it and your head like if you're watching a lifetime movie. And a guy proposes to girlfriend and the jump off is there and makes the scene and the guy has to like restrain his ex lover that was very like he gripped michael michael. All of that trauma happened it kind of like spoiled the mood a little bit of bad pay. The real sea was michael x to be de miked. And when he got d mike's he went like his pants all out. It was just like a ridiculous. I was like us getting upset for no reason. You got pan out because he has to be de miked. It's very rudy. giuliani dan. Handsome is like a real weird so basically this point. It was no stop in michael. Michael was just being an asshole and leave and he was just like off the ranch. Okay he was just mad about everything he was mad. Because somebody was touching He was mad because somebody was pushing. He was mad because one was getting married. He was mad. 'cause asking you handle edges. It was all across the board okay and it was just really interesting. Seem because ashley tried to get involved. She couldn't seem like security had to get involved because he seemed to be thrusting himself at the production team which was like a to be. He was arrested himself. And you know it we just get to see. Its these moments that we get to see ashley. I'm michael ascher. Goes outside and it's like i would never do this in front of like whatever she did. Tell him to f off. It almost reminds me from season to when they were outside of their australian restaurant that fail but even though in this episode michael. oh yes. Call chris out he that. Chris has a failing restaurant where i'm like well. You had an australian restaurant there was failing at potomac but anyway but do you remember that scene from season to when it was like he refused to talk to ashley and they were like outside standing in front of a car and he was like. I don't want to do this. I don't wanna do. It just was like just bury eerie and then from that it just went to a day later. They went to the bahamas and actually is expecting the second chow. I'm sorry i i. I t the she does not really love that man. Like i mean she may have in the beginning. I don't know but she just wants to have children by the same man. That's wealthy but i guarantee you two to three years. She's out and she's taken the money with her is something about him. It's just too much. What michael is too many of these allegations that you're on grindr. You're caught on camera saying that. She wanted to like give felicia man. You are groping producers like behind. You are caught in a hobo this. This is what i want to say about this like. I feel like she sort of knew what she was getting into as she hoped that it will work out and she took a gamble and it doesn't seem like it's working and honestly it probably wouldn't be this bad if she wasn't on tv but you know that that puts fuel on the fire so new she knew what was a a little bit. She didn't know she probably didn't know how bad it was going to get. But you know. I mean it's it's unfortunate it's unfortunate. I don't think they're going to stay. Married is is my. I don't think so either. Either you keep saying no. I really liked her I liked her back. She's she ain't got no but still cute. I ain't taking it for us. She just you know t- thin. She got little tracks now. Happens to the best of us chile. Well this has been amazing to cover the a whole season of potomac with. You have totally enjoyed it. You know we've had our little arguments where you know. You're just wrong and i have to tell you that i still love you. I have totally enjoyed arguing with you. All season about real housewives in how i'm right and you're wrong so thank you for having me. Yes oh my god. I don't know what we're gonna do. Not that our home because over. We'll they will just have to wait and see. Oh gosh well it's been a pleasure to see the of anything coming up for the people. What are you doing over there orangeade. Cap hd dot com or graham with go here. We just got ready for the holidays. We did a little decorating and have a new project. That is coming out a redo a refresh and doing some outreach for my lovely young ladies in stem so a new website. Gop hd dot com is being launched in january and. We are hard at work doing bat enjoying the holidays and enjoying being on the purple pants. Podcast why did he do spy goodbye. Y keeping amazing. Raith rolling back back again with my curl rookie. Who with popping. Hi hello good morning after day. Even good evening. Good day whatever day it is or whatever time it is that you're listening to this char recap which grow bootcam- high your baby boy as they with pop in i guess it would be a good day for everybody but issoire apart. Just do i know in my tyra banks. We were rooting for you. We were all rooting for new. I think we were. I don't know. I mean i guess not diangelo europe. But i don't know anybody else. Everyone i still can do. So far is just dejected. Just these last few people after him. Now eastbourne aparna. I mean everybody you know me. I'm switzerland but still. I was not happy about this. Yes i was not happy with the editing like stop with deceptive editing. Okay obviously issoire in aparna. We're not that close to gary impact. Feel because like when gary and how does it feel got sued the pit stop. It was like you could tell the brightness of the light and then when you should harnett got there it was a little bit zimmer. So i'm like they weren't that so heavy on the edge of my seat single. Oh my god they pull it off and they only pull it off but it was still fun to watch them. They got hit with a double whammy dami and had to do the u-turn s i was like oh and so i mean i guess break it down because they will we get there because you got my questions saray first of all good i with the editing and the checking in because amazing race does a great job with entity and they have you believe people are sometimes closer than they are. I will stay. And i'll go. I'll jump back. But i will say when each department got sued the roadblock i was like up and yelling because there's no way to edit that other than everyone else was still there so i was psyched and really really hoping that they pulled out but yes i think it did take longer to get the pitstop then deangelis gary but okay so we leave india because three thousand miles from india to cambodia really cool. I like this location on. Still bond that it seems. They skipped over all of africa. That that's like my favorite with the landscapes in the this is the whole. It's just gorgeous. We didn't get to at the season but maybe next time. So this is the exciting no leg frame every season. There is an episode where you have to carry this. I have on us guys tall superlight but not carry this thing with you. It's always in some sort of like kitschy outfits really cute and on our season. We had to ride through vietnam on these bicycles with the no strapped to the front of the bicycle. Really cute so this is the gnome leg and we start this leg. The mind five is shot to shit. Because the episode starts out with james madison rally wanted gary and just. They're going to do everything anything that they had to use them to stop them in their tracks and to get them out like it is vicious so and at hung chimes in saying cambodia is going to be our legs so i naturally think that means they're going home because every time somebody says this is gonna be our leg. Radio says i speak kasich. Are you know they go home but not today. So we started delaying everybody heads to this market defined these tax this time. Actually actually it's up to find a gnome which was so cute like sitting in a little hammock in the back of a tuck talk with basket food offerings. So at hung does what i did every time we got in a cab. She asked the driver whose name everyone else does to raise. A million dollars and drivers don't care but when you ask the driver their name and get them involved in the do better because they actually care and his name is spider. Now i'm thinking great. This is for shattering. They're gonna eat spiders because last week. I thought i saw something in the preview about an eating challenge at. I'm freaking out the slider right and wrong. I was dying when she was calling him. Spider-man's kit you not love her anymore. Not love her more with weight lover as much as possible. I think is how it means to say that. If that's not what it said. I think she rate. I think she's hilarious. And i just think. I wanna you know. She's just cute. Little tiny wanna you know. Put her in my pocket. Hang out with her love. I'm not discriminating that was meant as a compliment. I think it will be received as a complement says she gets spicy. Okay nice but she also spicy. So i love the spiciness of it all so i also like that. She soda is that even when she's trying to not be nice she'll still give you the answer. She liked telling herself. Don't don't help to help. And then she'll help you anyway. She can't help but be nice. Which i think is just in direct. Yes but not on amazing race in specially dot. You got gary. He does it on your back so they on a low flat tax. They get to. Where do they get they get to. They have to go this peer to go but the play find their little. Yeah they find their little Their gnomes they have to help. Tuck driver attached the motorcycles detector. And then they all go to this pier. And you can you can see that. Will james allergy medicine riley. The mine five mini mine. Three whatever are all on the front and their tax tax or sort of right near each other at they're having conversations about let's get diangelo and gary out state like they are on a mission to day so they get to the pyramid travel by boat to this gorgeous like floating city with this floating temple. It's just beautiful and it makes me wanna go to cambodia jess immediately and on this vote madison riley. Doing something very smart so frightening doesn't now brooke knowledge. Anyone who doesn't know the amazing race will give you in your clue. Supplemental information so Either flights you can't take because of whatever reason Or do you get somewhere if we have to go into a certain religious place. We had to go to intuit vietnamese temple end. The rule was you could not run wall on certain property. Had to make sure you walk faster than walking so here. It looks like they were given information on how exactly to go about giving their offerings to the buddhist monks in the floating temple so madison riley very smart. They're on their built in there practicing the series of kneeling and had to give the offering all of a sudden. They're both breaks down. And this is exciting because it starts like it just sputters out and then willing james pass them and then hung chief past them and then deangelis a half now at. I love this. I was freaking out for them. But then i was thinking like could if say the boyfriends could they have pulled their boats in the fight. They jump to vote. I think so. I don't see why not. Because that's what. I was thinking. Because i was but i mean it necessarily did not matter because again with the deceptive editing by gerry and does it feel passes them by riley. A madison still get buddhist temple. I know so i could. There starts comes back to life. There's a miracle. I will say if it was a car. The answer would be if it was a taxi yet. They have kicked madison riley. There's enough seats in the car. If you're self driving lead there's not enough seats in the car to pick up another team. The rule of your car breaks down. Is you either fix it or wait for replacement so they would have probably had to wait for a replacement vote. These folks were big. So i guess in theory they could have picked them up. But thank god. This alliance is not that close that they're actually just going to pick you up and then dragged but yes madison. Riley seemed to get there i do. They are basket giving the buddhist temple with no issue. Nobody has any issue. Everyone's sort there at the same time waiting for the person before them to finish and so this is a really close leg in. I love like this i. it's fun. It's nerve wracking as hackney. You're on the reason you're in a leg where you don't see anybody for several hours but this is cool because you can sort of tell where everybody is and the only thing you couldn't tell us at the detour was doing which side so you couldn't tell if the other side had finished yet but this is cool when their early changes so everyone drops their baskets and then we get to tonight's detour which i thought was really. I thought these were good ones. So this where my question comes in there. So we see that gary impact it day. They u-turn issoire aparna and then to burned the book. The the beard predators U-turn gary the angelo so but they've already passed so in theory if the brothers got their first. They weren't going to turn them because they could. Then gary the angelo. Could you u-turn someone else from bear alliance or they could even turn the brothers even though they were headed them so they wouldn't have went for the u-turn am i saying right. I'm sorry but so. If the if madison a riley got there i already said since de angelo and gary were so close to them. They weren't going to turn them out of fear that they might turn someone else in their alliance right so but i mean who like they could still. They could've been you turned issoire in aparna and could have been saved. So i guess my question to you. Is that if you would've there. I is there a risk you'd have been willing to take. You would have just kept accused as they would have been right right there. I mean the general rule is don't mess with somebody's aim unless you think you're gonna be able to get them out because they can mess with your game later but they're so far into the race now and it was already known that this was the layer so i mean i want to use. It also keeps it interesting. I'm just u-turn. We did it on our seas. Not scott and i didn't do this one. But on our season we have like a grand plan to use the u-turn Returns to only one team had to do both sides. It is a death sentence nine times out of ten when only one team is you turned and this time i mean it was but less so because of what happened later in the episode. So so let's jump. So so i have to do the detroit before reaching u-turn you to detour. And they had a fish or farm farm. They had mixed us soil and plant seeds on his kuo floating garden. Which i thought was really interesting because when there is no land. They've just made everything happen on the water rights very ingenious in fish they had to haul this net like this half mile long nat through this weird like spindly Cool spindly apparatus. All these little tiny fish would pop out and then they had to gather thirty pounds worth of fish and get their next clue. So how did she choose to do that. One but their boat takes them to the wrong detour. This this way. I'm taking you take a it and they take it and Of course because she's just adorable knows every plant that definitely because her parents have all these plans in their backyard and she's like saying names when willin james get there are these ships labeled like how do you know ryan doing. And she's like. I just know because they just irt good at everything at adorable on the other side of madison riley. Liangelo gary at issoire part. Now i was worried about the angela. Gary because as you astutely noted several times deangelis. Gary have a tendency to not move at the same speed ever. This detour require than pulling this net at the same speed was gonna get all tangled or rich or whatnot as i thought they do horribly but they actually very very well as madison riley each department and good for them because all of these big dudes gary. The angela masson rally. They're all complaining. About how much arms earning it is and then ishwar department who are smaller are through with no problems. Eleven it and doing great and they're not complaining. And i like it so i was given to them and i was really really really hopeful that they would stay this challenge. Do you think the fishing challenge was the faster. Chalice in the garland ideal. And i think that if you were able to keep moving which they were it was just a faster. It was just a faster challenge. I think that sometimes that happens where it's not meant to necessarily be faster but like the same thing with the bracelets and the dentures last time. I don't think the bracelets was meant to be significantly faster. I think people just worked really smart and happened to get lucky and five with needed quickly. It was needle Under always if he bright but this one this one. I think the fish just by virtue of the fact that the teams that went there finished one two three there wasn't any question and the other two teams finish a bit further behind. That was just faster. So this is where we have the detour man Then take their boats bats the mainland where we find the w term which we just talked about where madison riley are salivating to u-turns the angela gary but somehow deangelis gary get their three seconds before them. And you turn east. Now i get the madison. Riley are in in the lions with hugging and willin james. I get it. I get alliance but you're down to five soon to before i mean an each fire department. I don't think they want a single leg so far. Maybe you don't push them out and keep in teams that have consistently been first in second with ryan out that it was the smartest game move. It was loyal but each show that jerry. How does it feel worse. Sticking with this is enough as we're smart and aparna part of the the mind five lions issoire in a part of were part of the mind five alliance yet that they were on like the fray bank back because i don't ever remember seeing them Benefit from the lions. Yeah i think the only time. I'd be when they were. Where were they at the airport. The the the computer cafe. Yeah yes and also when they were making those instruments from the from the landfill pile or whatever. I think that that was a time where they helped each other. But otherwise just don't think necessarily they were in the same place. That's my point. They're far behind most of the time. So what are you doing at least make it interesting. Verna and i get the argument. Could be that you know deangelis. Gary madison riley. They don't even know if hung and she and ruin. James had been there like they could have already been there and gone and just not turn anybody but don't know the brothers would. The brothers will have no net because because they were what have you turned carrying. How does it feel so exactly so we would have known so then they get they get their clue and they gotta go to this tile making situation which was really really fine tune as you mold. I would have definitely this. Because i would have watched it about four times before i do anything and i'm a baker and i realized that if there is no heat how was that title coming off but this is easier for me to say watching in the comfort of my bed drinking jews under a blanket instead of being in the hot cambodian to read so i was at the it was just so funny. How how does it feel i notice. I'll even watch it. I do i do. I do gary on the sidelines. A demonstration for a right in like thai gary life. Not even watch wanna unser. Gary i i know. I think he's fantastic if you pay attention to his little one liners. He is whole warious. Gary napping that science de on twelve try still hasn't watched demonstration. I don't get this. This is this is very similar to. We had a task in bennis. Which was the first leg of the race where i felt like we were coming into our own. It was like like seven sixteenths left. We had this task and it was like. Oh shoot i usually remember exactly what the roadblocking said but basically had to paint of nisha mask of some communities are like performer and there was a very specific order in which you had to do the steps. I didn't even realize at the time. But i did the roadblock and i was in last place six hundred six and had i known that i probably would have been nervous but i walk in and i asked the way to start the demonstration over. She's like no. We're at two off so that's fine so so there were three other people up there at the time. I didn't realize i was in the back. And one of the girls like brecqhou is wants to start things over and put on your big girl pants. And whatever. And i'm like that's fine and waited and that i did it right. The girl who had said that did not do it right and she ended up. They ended up coming in last night the race i went and six. I came out fourth. Because you need to watch the democrats doing it for their own you know shits and giggles. They're doing it for your benefit by the time you do this. Five six eight ten thousand times. It's not working. Oh look at what she go look with the guys doing. So it's i think this fantastic. This was my jam. i'm archie. There was no heavy lifting at ends with a slight I don't know if you know this about me. Most people don't because. I don't care how big a nerd i am. I am a big hassle nerd. I can solve slide puzzle in like less than a minute. I can do a rubik's cube in two and a half hours. I'm like a big nerd. Like i do these things around the house like my mind. Sharp some getting old now so they have to make these tiles and then they have to do the slide puzzle. I love this task because not only is it just like the physical part of like making sure the pain rights. But it's also doing a puzzle at the end of it. And i think i think this is just such a good one. I was excited because it gave me survivor vibes little bit to this task. And then you know what. I really enjoyed about this leg. Was that because people like how does it feel wanted to rush through it. Gave people like my ishwar and apart time to get caught up. And i was really just hoping that they will use their engineer. Degree here are they engineers r. i wore programmers. Know they every ten ended designed every ten seconds. That's so i'm just like you. Just think they used that degree baby boy and know that there's a process if it's not coming on earth time so i just was mad then. He realized that he had it first. And then he got the color wrong. I'm like maybe boy would like. But i understand the pressure. So then obviously the order was Riley a madison than it was out the boyfriends and then was hung in she it was between eastward aparna and gary and how does it feel and they got it which was so annoying and then can we just just take once again to just give much much credit to apart because this is my favorite part of the episode each apart walk at. You still have cheese. So the angeline. Gary and they're still working on. And how does it feel as on his eleven. Try aparna walks in. How does it feel how are you. She just drops the f. Space like she is salty at. I am loving it. And then she just starts heckling him like she is doing. She can't help her partner. That's against the rules. But she sure as hell can a hackle. How does it feel. And that's what she starts doing. And i am just jumping up and down and loving. It's i was here for that. You know. I think she gets in his head a little bit. I think so too but not enough. She should've been clamping sinisa from bad girls club. Like no it no sleep tonight. So then because of the editing of amazing they make it seem like gary and how does it feel campaign aides outside and it makes it seem like eastern aparna at time to catch up and back in that right and then gary and feel end up with a bulldozer in the middle of monster taking down a tree and the other t were zipping by. But they're on the longer routes of who's gonna make it. I'm like god. And then they do the little trickery where they just show the host right and you hear the voices come on kerry couple issoire. And i'm like ooh could it be shot. I see how does it feel dreads. Sweep it through a black. But i mean i am happy they gary and how does it feel have made it this far because i do like them. They're so interesting to wash. They are fricken frac so i am glad that they were able to make it but i was very sad to see each and apar- go home but all things considered i think they did a really good job and they really should be proud of their game. Yeah they did a fantastic job and she's all. I think my parents with our parents would be proud of us. This bond with my brother and as someone who apply with a runner. I applaud this. I think they have a great relationship. I think they should not hang their heads. I think they did fantastically especially you know being the only team that was u-turn and doing two sides of a detour and still making it so close. That's like nothing to sneeze at. They did really really great and you know for sure. so now. it's like at this point. I just want one of the top. Three of the lines either boyfriends huggins she or my baby daddy madison and riley And i'm curious to see f. u. or like if i'm winning a quarter next week or you're winning a quarter because you bet that said that gary out of it would be out for so i'm so excited to see episode to see who goes home and it looks like the boyfriends are having like a little tobong truck so i'm excited and i'm kind of excited that like almost the of my first complete season of chara aka dr mazen. I'm so happy that we've been doing this. I will say one thing them to find it interesting for next week. They're going to the philippines which you heard out of your in the deal hunt. Says this is where she's from so she's like excited to go what i did notice. Is there three things. While you're right will engines are having some navigation issues and flipping out a little bit. Hamas is the only woman left and it looks like the first task. They have to do one of the tasks they have to do. Is they have to go. Running around manila the philippines in high heels on right now i just by virtue of the fact that this happens regularly. The big strong all-male team goes on fourth. I'm thinking my winter quarter. But i will say i have no idea how this week shakes out. But i'm gonna say Give them this. Like no guy is going to be loosed. Guys are not going to be able to run in. He'll going more men who has done. This wasn't referred the woman who has done this to try and catch the subway in new york city or whatever. We are trained to run he. Also i'm curious to see how this goes. There's also looks like there's some sort of challenge with flags next week and people are bugging out about it. I i will say. I will get grumpy grandpa next week if look look. Bryce you have downtime on this race. You aren't air force. We've already talked about internet cafes. You'll you find ways to get information if you're not studying the currency the language the flags of at least every country that you've been to so far knowing the end there is some Memory challenge that will come up. I don't know what to tell you. So i don't know what the flag task is but if it's about places they've bid on people have not paid attention to that. I don't get it. At least james should a self proclaimed superfan so this is new to me so there's always a memory challenge towards the end. Oh the last episode when there are the final. Three a roadblock will be a roadblock will be an overarching of the entire season memory challenge of some kind. So i know you sell my for mine. We were in wrigley field. And i had to go into the app announcer booth and scott has climb into the scoreboard. And so i had to. It was one way radio. And i had to tell him the order that we finish in every leg of the race and he had put it up on the scoreboard but it was alphabetical. Not based on the legs of the race has accounts through which leg and blah blah blah You never know what they're going to ask you. There have been tasked. Were they have asked you exactly what the greeter said to the matt. The hello goodbye in every in every language that you were in during the race. The money Your order the flags of every location. These are things have all been asked. I'm hoping these people are taking notes because if you expect to get the expect to win it you need to have your facts straight and so we'll see what happens next week. See what happens cop. Coupo- back thank you very much in philippines. Come on let's say you know. I've been to the philippines girl. Okay i've been in manila for the females koku cough for the manson kaku con. But you know. When i was in was spicy i was car. But yes komo i got. Don't know but i'm excited. Thank you rookie. Pu weeds out. Then i will see you next. Fattah's me keeping a mega role in i was you know my business. Shaw and i see on like somewhere on social media or maybe on my phone popped up like euphoria new episode part one trouble. Don't last forever. Now wait a minute. Is this the new season. What's going on your no here. I really love euphoria. We talked about the first season earlier on in the podcast. And i'm so excited to know that it's coming back feels like seems like it's been forever so i don't think that this episode necessarily is a part of season two but i do feel like it was kinda like something to hold all over so i didn't really know what to expect. It's been such a long time since i've seen you for you or since we've even talked about it but the main character rue is an adolescent teenager who is experiencing the trauma of her father. Dying her mother who a single mother now. Ruth got a younger sister. Who really looks up to ru. Ru has a drug addiction problem She liked the start of the season. One route kind of came home from I would say a program however all throughout the one rule uses And that's kind of like a lot of times. She's high and a lot of different things happen. She meets a young lady named jules who she falls in love with. We learned throughout the series. That is trans and you know who has her own little story. You know she's trying to find love and all the wrong places her and roo have disconnection. It's a lot to go. War rule goals to a meetings. She meets this guy named ali who kinda sorta becomes her sponsor through ruth addiction. She gets kinda caught up in some gangs. She's got this other guy. I can't remember his name who she gets her drugs from that he really likes are so there's so much. If y'all have not seen euphoria highly recommend you get up on season one. Okay get someone. Hbo hbo max. Whatever the hell. I don't know how many hbo's they is. But i know that they're taking money out of my every month up. Make sure you guys watch you for you. I think that it's really great. So back to what i would say. I was really excited that you know we got something to hold us over. But i wasn't sure because i'm like wait a minute. Is this to start a season two. So you know sunday afternoon. I'm just laying in bed. Nothing really doing i'm off. Let me watch you for talk with us about bay bag. Let me just tell your. I was not ready for my life to be gathered by this episode or whatever. This purgatory episode. Whatever was it really kind of got to me So the episode takes place. It's christmas eve and it. I'm assuming that it's supposed to happen. Spoiler alert at the last episode of season. One of four you. Jewels and rue. I believe they might be at a party. But ruth suggests that they run away together and i think is going to school in new york. And they're like we can get on the trains night and go and so drills joe's like yes. Let's go let's get about of here. However we know that like in school where jules that she met a new young lady and so ruled kind of feels like to really love me so ru suggests like hey. Let's get together and let's go and Jewels to roost prize was all about it. Okay jewel they went. They went to the train station. Jewels got on a train and rue could not and jewels got on the train and it left and so that's literally where season one leaves off so in this purgatory episode. It starts with like jewels out by andrew seemed to be living together and his dorm. So i'm like yeah. They made it work and gills. Getting ready for presentation and rue is living with her. They live best live. It looks like jewels has a huge or a big presentation of school. That she's preparing for. Andrew is like supporting her. You know her loves the poor showing how all this love and jewels leaves for school. And the second that jules lease for school ru runs right to the bed gets appeal starts crushing it. And so even in this fairytale jewels is still using now when when ru crushes the pill and goes to snort it. It seems that she comes three. She's at a bathroom in a diner and looks like she did snort something in the bathroom even in a dream and in reality she still using and she goes and sits at the table with her sponsor league. We've seen lead to out the show where he don't hold back from. He called rue. Wash it and we always feed them to episode one gash. Joe see sorry for the spoiler but for my power bullpens. That seem this season with me and watch this episode. You know that he. He don't play a role he like. Hold you accountable. and so. He's essentially her sponsor he's always like call me when you need me and they always meet up at the diner and so in this conversation because for real peru let me just tell ya episode if more like a monologue not even a monologue but a conversation between rue and ali in that conversation ali gathers my life. And so i let me just break it down for you sub. He's basically asking ru which issue is worship problem and rules kind of lying being ambiguous ambivalent and not. just give him. you know some extra. How you doing. You'll be like i'm fine. Like she's giving him those type of answers and he's like i'm not for the bullshit. Tell me what's going on. Tell me why you still use. Tell me but i just have to say in this. I realized why. I love euphoria. So much and i did not realize or connect in the season that ru has so many parallels in my life and i really think that she has a lot of parallels and so many other people's lives where she is disappointed in herself. Just for whatever like take the drug addiction out of it. I you know. I was just putting my disappointments in my life. You know also follow because you all over the place. It takes place christmas eve. So i really feel like around the holiday times. A lot of people's emotions get out of whack. You know it's just sometimes. It's a really high time sometimes. It's a really low time. So i also felt like the parallels of it. Being christmas eve were so one point. But anyway back to i feel like ru has so many different commonalities and myself where you you feel like. You've done a lot of wrong in your life. Whatever it may be. And you don't sometimes feel like you are worthy of being the greatness that you are and we really see that in ru in this monologue because it's not really episode but in this model of and i just really could relate into my life because i feel like there are so many things that i want to do so many things and sometimes i as you know as high of a personality you know you get this probably five. Am and you know. Sometimes i have my low days and some days. I don't feel like i'm worthy end. And i just really could relate to rue and ali was really kinda pouring into her and just saying like grow no matter what it is you gotta believe in something whatever religion whatever something but you gotta believe or something and at the very least you got to. What's to get over this addiction and you know a case it. Kit is her drug addiction in the greater scheme of things. I really took it as the addiction. The ish whatever the issue that we have that plague our life we got to see past it and if we don't allow ourselves to see past the we're going to forever be on this like circle of feeling down for ourselves and not knowing it just was a really good conversation a real real conversation and that just really made me have so much more understanding for ru it really makes me want to go the whole season again because my perspective or her through this monologue because it's not a episode the monologue really just the raw news in it and what i liked about it. Was it in wrap up with a bow. And that's not how life is life doesn't wrap up with a bow you know you've got to make progress and i just love the fact that this show highlights drug addiction in teenagers. And you know maybe you know social work in the mental health bill. I don't really feel like it gets highlighted. Or you know. We'll see it highlighted. Or it just doesn't get highlighted in the real and this that i feel like you for you does and it really humanizes us to rue and it really shows us and even at one point ali. I don't think that you know your a bad person because of your addiction. I think that your addiction causes you to be a bad person on s something deep to kind of like breakdown like think you're a bad person because of your addiction addiction causes you to be a bad person and you know he really talks to rue about the addiction and again it could be addiction however for me. I'm like using for the things in my life. That i'm not necessarily happy about and i think that a lot of people can relate to other things in their life that you know you're not a bad person because of the things that you struggle with you know the things that you struggle with calls you to feel like that you're not a good person you can follow me. And so he really. Allie was challenging. Grew to think bigger. And that like you know you've got to want to change to get out of your diction and that was kind of for me like you got to want to change to get out of your phone how you feel about certain things in your life and our challenge that said my purple pants policy. Is that like we've got a wanna change. And so it's like you know we can feel like our on this never ending circle but we have to use the power and we have to use our friends like lee who called us on our shit we have to. You know i just. I just saw so much in this episode. That i wasn't expecting and i i will omit as this whole episode won't be a diner but once i got past that and really started to see the the peeling back of ruse personality and i could see the parallels in my life Although very different but it just allow me to humanize her inhuman as myself so. I have to say positive. Y'all got nothing to do. Watch c. the one of euphoria and if you've already watched season please watch this. Troubled lasts for was the common theme in the this episode. Was that you might feel like your life is not where you want to be. You might feel like you can't get a hold of this addiction. You might feel like but for shore trouble does not last forever and you've got to want to see past and until you're ready to see pass it. You won't and so itches. Who does something for my soul as the album's like do i want to talk about this. I was like no. I literally just paused. Got up out. Debate and i was like let me sally purple pants posse about this euphoria episode in a really makes me excited because the the carol not christmas carol that character development and this one episode alone really has me so excited to see the evolution of ru and really the writing of the shelves. I'm just so excited for you. Four yeah i just had to get one here. That's how y'all if you're phoenix. Please tweet me d you know but you know how to get in contact with me. Let me know if it was as moving for you as it was for me and just remember purple pants posse troubled zone last always potato. You pick say that's right. We are onto one of my favorite segments of the podcast. Where you the listener gets drive the conversation. That's right every saturday to my instagram breath. Isaiah outpost a photo says drop topics in. It's the chance for youtha right. Whatever it is you want to hear me saying yes. Sometimes you'll get messy but you know i love the mess per so yes what are we waiting for. Let's get into the first purple pants. Pick the first purple pants. Picks is from choice brooks and she's asking tipping and service tips though. This is such a good purple pants pig. I literally was having a conversation with my friend this week. So you know every life four weeks. Maybe once a mom. I treat myself to get a little pedicure. I'd like to keep my house clean okay. Don't judge me. And while i was waiting for my holds the dry i was talking to my friend. And this conversation kind of organically came up and it was about tipping and service one. I'm a proponent of tipping. Because you know i've worked in retail for decades in my life serving the public. You know fast food. You know just retail so i get it and the public is not fun to deal with but i brought up this unique situation semi friend saying when i go places like out to e getting my nails done valeting my car just and different service aspects. I feel like because i'm gay. Black man there. Is this stigma. That black people don't tip well and i was diving into debt with my friend about that because i feel like when we go places and because we're black and you know i'm black and i'm gay i feel like people have this preconceived notion that like they're not going to tip so my service is going to be sub par and i feel like as a consumer. I'm not an let me just clear the air by saying we're not tip. I normally always tip twenty percent if not higher because i respect this industry and our respect the work that you do like you know i feel like you should be compensated for that. How edberg if you half ass in really checking on the table not really did baby. You're not getting a tip for me. Because i feel like i tip because i want to tip not because i have to two and so i was talking to my friend about really negative cycle. There i feel like i face in a lot of other of my friends. That look like me face is that they have this notion that black people don't tip so when you go places they're not excited to serve us so then their service is subpar so if the service is subpar why am i tip you just. I don't know it's just this weird cycle for instance. I was getting my nails done with my friend. You know i just like you know. Every couple of weeks not just like listen in corinth seeing you not like to look down at my tolls and i like them to feel like you know purdy you know you know death my prerogative so called this place. We made a reservation. We got there and it was. It seemed like the nail techs that were to nell techs this lady who looked like she was possibly like the owner. Or maybe like supervising The people she was just like. I'm like how we have. An appointment for to one of the people were getting. Their nails done was finishing up so my friend got that person asked. The lady at the front desk was like watching. Tv her phone. Which i am aedt when i tell you. All the service was not great I've been to this place before. Normally get this lady named gloria. She girl she be worksheet first of all she. Gloria you try me. She blau. She'd be like you need to get to the hill. You need to get the hill treatment. Talk about my hills. Be a rough first of all gloria. Don't do me. I've been here before. I normally get gloria. I didn't get gloria. Got this lady. I didn't even know her name. When i tell you it was so subpar itches was i'm just like and i'm looking at my friend like this lady is like you know at one point in time one you know because i i don't know if any of you ladies or gentlemen listen when you in the pandemic if you're getting your nails done a lot of the tools that they use. They come in like these baggies fresh tools every time at one point of time while the lady was like do. I'm getting my cubicles. That thing dropped on the floor. She picked up and was getting ready to go back to work. I'm like excuse me you're going to get another right. Just throw her. I just really weird. I felt like the service was so horrible. And then i started having this conversation with my friend like do i. I feel like she's expecting not to get a tip or she's expecting. He's not gonna take me anyway so like i don't know so it was like this weird back and forth sub the tip or should i not sit but anyway you wanna roll for better. Bryce sites have fifteen dollars. And obviously you can. How does she was just with not expecting for me to tip or even fifteen dollars. My pedicure was only twenty five and you know what. I'm typing fifteen and so when i was waiting for my friend for her tolls the diet she came over like. Would you like massage. i'm latin. How funny is this so it just really kind of this. This subject just came up. And i see this a lot of times establishments for restaurants and stuff that i'd like away to say like. Hey my name is bryce. i'm going to be serve. I hate when a waiter comes over and it's just like how. Can i help and i always. I'm like hi. What's your name. Because i like to address you as your name is just this weird cycle that i know personally feel that like i feel like i have to sit because i feel like i need to break this stereotype of people not thinking that people of color don't tip but at the same time i'm also toward because i do feel like if you're not warranted of its it baby. I'll write a a c. Don't smoke in bed. But not because i don't tip but because i feel like your service was horrible. Who let me know. Purple pants policy. If you'll hear what i'm saying or got think i've just raw or y'all have been in situations like that before. Let me know what you think all right. What's the next purple pants. Pay the second purple pants. Picks comes from decay underscore angel and they wanna know wedding hysteria and gathering your wedding party. Hey decay. I'm actually the man of honor my best friends wedding and i can say that. Oh i don't envy you. It's a lot and i will say that. Yes you if you are the bride. You need to gather your wedding party. I feel like you need to be very clear on what your expectations are and what they are looking for. I feel like you should also have very clear timelines and expectations. And if you don't that's going to be an issue because it's your day so you need to set the tone and set the example of how you want your day to be 'cause i go to the same issue with my best friend because my best friend is getting married and i feel like she get married. I'm getting married. However my best friend who. I loved dearly. She is more of the last minute type of person which is not the wrong with that. That's just her personality. My personality is more of a less set a date to plan for the day that we're going to set the date to plan for the day to get ready for your big day. That's just me always has been an our personalities tend to conflict with their allot. Because i'm like less prepare. My friend is like well. Let's just see what happens. So i'm so excited for her wedding. And i wanted to be perfect however you know i. It's not my wedding. So i i don't want to overstep my bounds however i really wish my best friend. What a gap. The whole wedding party so feel free. Decay underscore jewel together. Your wedding party and just know. The hysteria is a part of you. Just got to lean into it. Don't let it get you too crazy. Had wet your whistle. And i know you're they will be amazing. What's the next purple pants pig. Josh small is asking. Have you seen the queen's gambit. No spoilers but baby boy chile chile may be yes. I think we talked about this before on the purple pants picks. So i am. Slow walking the queen's gambit. Because i really enjoy it and i don't want to don't want to just leave me so quickly. So yes i love it. I'm obsessed with beth harmon. Okay i even told barbara about it the other night and she called me today. And was i episode five now. My job in washington queens. Give it for about a month. And i'm only little six bar washed today. Show episode five so yes chile. I'll know how it's going to end. But i am. Definitely loving the queen's gambit. You could call me bryce isaiah harmon. Okay and no spoilers. But i really love beth. Harman's adoptive mom the lady who drunk a lot. Although she was a mess. I feel like she's just she was right. Adopt a bath. And i felt like beth appreciate that and i liked i forget. What was the the janet. His name mr mr shibo. He was my god to lift the next purple pants pig. Joe dot hen. Twenty three is asking lawrence tiktok series. Yes laura ashley back. Okay from the island of souls is blowing up on tiktok. If you are not following her make sure you follow her on tic tac. i believe it's the lauren ashley. Bet she is killing it over there on tick tot and i literally the day just made a tiktok so i could just follow her. She does like these behind the scenes Survivor questions sheet child. she'd be doing all the tick tock. Death is and keyword trying to do all the dances. I love it. I love to see a black queen. Getting her shine after survivor. So i'm all here for so make sure you guys follow the law. Rashly bet on the tick in the tops. Ha her bryce isaiah since you was the next purple pants pig. John john rules is asking. Have you considered playing the life sequester. Maybe season five. We could see you play baby boy. Hey john litho. I'm lovin sequester season four. Okay it's so good. So i could be only honored to actually play in the real game of sequester but listen. Maybe boy is just enjoying watching. The shouts a bread. Did who did our intro. From sequester season four or less gow but really sequester is good. If you're not watching y'all need to get catch up because bay it. I mean it kind of meet you. Big brother needs it. Meets the valley needs it. Got shady backsaw me. I'm just here for the quest sees a four. Audrey is really doing her thing now with the final purple pants picks just underscore ash. Eight says give kids. The world is still happening during a pandemic thoughts bay. Lou let me Let me. What the whistle. Far incidents hold on. So here's what i'll say. I've participated in. Give kids the world two times and my post survivor career. I have raised thousands of dollars for them. I think that it is an amazing charity. That's what i'll say now. They asked me to participate in this year. And i politely declined. Because it's in the middle of a pandemic and me personally. I don't feel like make that it's appropriate now. We that several survivor and big brother players have gone on down in florida and they are participating in the reality event. And that's hey that's that that's what they wanna do this. What they wanted to buy bay people is breaking news. I didn't read some articles out. Didn't read some things on the twitter that some of the big brother people that went down even meet the five hundred dollar Like bar that useful set Some of the big brother people have like you know been seen in the hotel rooms just partying it up due at you know hearts of reality And they were partying in their own hotel. But like no masks. And just like. But i say this to say that i did not feel comfortable participating in the charity event this year due to the pandemic and i will gladly raised money for them if they would have asked me. Because i really believe that. It's a great cause but my me myself and i will have not. I'm not flying a florida for a fundraiser event. That is like open to the public for buying tickets that it just it. Just don't sit right with me So that's just that's my take on it. I'm not bashing organization But me personally. Yeah yeah i would have. I would have done in a virtual event you. We've seen even genero from big brother. Did a virtual event raised thirty thousand dollars. We seen elisa running for manhattan district attorney has done virtual events and have been super successful. So that's the brow. I would have went but i'm not in charge. I can only mind my business in philadelphia and you know. Pay the bills. That peg me. If you phil what. I'm saying okay. So hopefully when the world opens back up. I can you not be back in florida when a safe. But you know until then i'm a my my business occur and just reminder if you're picked didn't get picked this week do not worry every saturday on braces instagram and twitter at bryce isaiah. That's a b. r. c. is e. y. a. h. bryce posts. The purple pants picks. 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Sunday Night Blues Edition

Mom and Dad Are Fighting

42:42 min | 5 months ago

Sunday Night Blues Edition

"The following podcasts contains explicit language. Welcome some mom and dad are fighting. Parenting podcast for thursday february. Eight t be sunday night blues edition. I'm jimmy lulu a writer contributors. You've played beating parenting alum and co host of slate news wednesday night live program wild or wise and most importantly mom tonight who is seven and we live in los angeles california. I'm elizabeth new camp. I write the homeschooling family travel blog. Dutch excuse and i'm the mom to three little. Henry's eight oliver six and teddy park and we live in navarre florida. I'm the novia stevens. The ceo and founder of black kids. That have been choose. I have three sons eight eight five and two and we live in huntsville alabama novia. It is so nice to have you here today. I should share that. Sylvia is my stepsister. Yes my father. Her mother were in a very long term loving relationship and even though there are no longer together. They're good friends. And so you know we are extended family sisters but elisabeth and novia had connected overs. Nobody is work. And do you want to tell the story elizabeth. We were taking a trip to Alabama and i was you know going through instagram. And it's like this woman and her beautiful family are doing all the things i want to do. i was able to connect with the novia and just get lots of hints about Where to go and then also found out you know the work that she does getting kids into nature and just love the kind of tips and stuff. She's always posting about how to do that. That's definitely something that i try to do with the kids. And then she messaged me after. I posted something to milan your instagram. And i think at that moment to meal. And i had to play on to get over on the yes and luckily dan slacker. That he is gave us an opportunity by taking yet another week off so we were so happy to have you here. Thank you again for joining us. Thank you on today's show. We've got a question about a twain. Who is really struggling with going back to school as soon as sunday evening. Heads and then. We'll debate if large age gaps between kids really leads to emotional distance and weak bonds between siblings. I sure hope not. Because i still want to have another baby and on our slate plus bonus segment. We'll be talking about getting your kids outdoors. Which is especially challenging in the dregs of winter. Stuff before we jump into this week's questions and they'll can you tell us about your mission to get families and their children particularly black families experienced during the great outdoors. Yes for sure so first of all. I'm going to say that you know we just again as organization last june so it is still brand brand new it basically kind of grew out of a place of just not really seeing black families out doing the things that my family enjoys doing so we wanted to create a community that would encourage more black families to come out in get involved with the outdoors and pretty much find a way to take up activities in a way that makes sense for them so we created black kids. Adventures and wallace caught. Kids is really not just for. Children is geared toward the entire family. I believe that it's really important to pull the whole family unit in in order to really kind of make a change for the next generation. So if you have the family out participating these adventures together even if the parents are a little reluctant. I think that they kind of pick up on the children's energy and it becomes more of a norm so what kids adventures. We can't down in alabama families get opportunity to Kayak get opportunity to canoe. We go rock. Climbing we go hiking. Swimming in canyons is really just. The ultimate outdoor experience in we provide that free of charge to families just to simply get them to engage with the outdoors. Before you started your organization. You had been doing black adventure stuff for families. Be a your blog and instagram account. Right where you're sharing things post can go out and do right now. So can you those absolutely so my family blog is black adventure cruel at black adventure crew. We own facebook as well as instagram. We have a website which is black adventure crewe dot com on the to do sometimes get confusing a lot of people kind of end up putting it altogether. They'll be like what about the black adventure kids and you know that's okay you'll be able to find us at either one but through that we simply just hope to inspire people by allowing them to see what we're doing they can you know hopefully go out and do someone else thinks i'm going to be hitting you 'cause i'm finally out of excuses because we were in new york so i was like. Oh that's nice well. Unfortunately i live in a place where you can't go add now now. We are in los angeles where there's mountains in here outside and willing to give it another shot for the kids. It's his the sure the kids will. You'll hear novia bugging your kids outside Which is particularly challenging during the winter. Maybe some of you who aren't used to having challenging winters. But she's got lots of ideas so if you are a slate plus subscriber. You will get to enjoy that. In the meantime let's get started with triumphs then fails elizabeth you. I do you have a triumph. Fail esley not counting. But i feel like aac. You've been a little fail. Hey heavy lately yeah yeah. I've been fail heavy trying to turn those into wins and we're going to get another one here. In fact i think the family would agree that it was a failed. But it's an outdoor adventuring story. So i i bet that's a novia will side with me that this was really try okay so we took the kids this weekend. We had a long weekend with the president's day holiday to go camping in the oak fakih swamp of georgia which is something growing up in georgia. We'd always studied. And i hadn't been it's kind of on the florida side of georgia so i was like. Oh it's not that far. We should there. The weather here has been terrible tons of rain kind of dipping temperatures. But you know having brought the children up in the netherlands. There's bad weather just bad clothing. So we got all our rain gear and headed out to the okeydokey swamp. When you get there. There's a georgia state park that we were at and you can rent a boat and go out into the swamp. That's the thing to do. So i thought we would be renting canoes. That's what we typically do. Jeff is the one who made the arrangements and arranged for a motorboat and when we got there there was some kind of misunderstanding because all the boats are like parked and we're walking to the boats and we're walking by these like nicer boats and we get into boat number three which looks like something like way far away from the visitor center. We have to walk all the way down this doc. It's rough guys in rough that when we when the motor comes on and off it kinda like jumps up and you have to hold it down and the kids are already like thought we were going to be in canoes. Like what is this. And i'm like this is better. We can all be in one boat trying to really like like made all these arrangements want to fund so we had out. It looks kind of stormy but it wasn't it wasn't raining yet and we're seeing all these gators and cause the sun is out. The gators are just like laying out in the sun. We have nice views. We're staying in the center of the water and the plan was to go to this island and get out and hike a little bit and come back so we do that. We get out on the island hike and we start to hear the thunder and the rain. Clouds are coming. So we're like okay. Well we need to get back in our like metal boat and get back to the visitor's center so we get in there but at this point now because it's cloudy. The gators are now more active. Apparently that's what happens. And jeff is like trying bring the kids over to see one and this rather large one like putting. It's it's moving at us and it starts to kind of jeff is like let's see what happens in the kids are all screaming and then no joke. The heavens just opened up it is like pouring rain. Now and oliver looks at jeff. And like in his scream. Crying is like you think this is all fun and games. You're joking in our lives are at risk. And then he gets under my poncho. I have this like giant ponto. He's like under my poncho. He's crying definitely like laughing hysterically. The boat like filling with water. We i mean it was like blinding rain. It was it was. There was no way in which this was a good situation. We did make it back to the visitor's center we like unload and teddy. I and i say to henry take teddy and run to shed with the life jackets. So they do that. We're trying to get everybody else out of the boat. Long story short. We got in the wrong boat. If we'd been in the other boat vote number thirty not three would have been a little more elevated from the water. But you know what now. The kids are telling the story when we told her grandparents like they were the ones that faced this adventure so brave and so you know that they are like amazing. 'cause they survived the skater attack. And there's pouring rain When in fact like i will forever remember. They're like shrieks and screaming at us that we were bad parents and had endangered them But overall if you're going to have an okey dokey swamp experience. I'm counting it as a win. I agree with you definitely a win. So adventurous so memorable a winter sport. I think the survival is a win. If nothing else you made it if nothing else years they'll hear what about you. Do you have a triumph for fail. It's a little bit of both. I guess let's rewind to last summer. I my middle son started getting carsick when we would go on our adventures like it could be thirty. Minutes to hours doesn't matter. He gets car steak. We have to pull over and you know he's going to take care of himself in. We get started again scorza. Now we have a long road trip coming up from alabama to florida so we all of our research to make sure that we could help him combat this. You know car sickness and hopefully not have any incidents. We did all of the things that everybody told us to. Do you know at poll with my followers took some of their advice. We had all of the medicine. We use the peppermint oil. I had him little individual peppermint oil to smell. Ha ginger shots. You know we left like really really early so that he would hopefully sleep through most of the ride and for the most part it works. We made it so florida. It was pretty uneventful. He felt nauseous a few times but he never had to throw up or anything. That's all we were really excited. That all of these tips worked coming back. We were like okay. everything worked. We did have to make a few extra stops. Because he was noxious and even though he didn't really get. We wanted to kind of get rid of you know those extra stops so there was one took that we had not taken which was to move his car seat to the middle. We read that. If you move the car seat to the middle you know that will eliminate the car sickness so we got the bright idea okay. Let's move the car seat to the middle on the way back from florida. Well literally we started. And i think we have been driving for maybe fifteen or twenty minutes. And he's like sick so we pull over. Everything's cool. This happens at least three more times within the first hour of us leaving he ends up really really sick. This whole you know hallway back we look it up again and we learn that you're not supposed to move the car seats to the middle. If you're writing in a minivan which we were writing in a only if you're gonna put the child on the second row so when the third row it actually makes it worse the triumph was that going we've made. It was uneventful that we moved the car seat thinking that we were going to really be a triumphant and we felt horribly because he was stick the hallway back so people. Please leave your car seat to the middle. If you're in a minivan oh gosh vanity. Managing the cars. And you don't know what to try and it's like You know though you won't try out again no never. There's nothing worse than the feeling of making things worse while you were trying to make them better is as for things to just get worse. When is like i did this. It was horrible. Well that is legendary. One thank you. That's that's jessica's fail. We liked to hear around here. I have a. It's just the. I want to try to to to make it clean it up. I can't just fail but it was a failed that i was entertained back so on sunday. I was driving naima to her. Dad's house and i was playing some music. And then i heard this weird sound. And so i'm trying to turn the music down. Then i realized it's something going on outside the car. There's like a a woman on the corner with the you know speaker and a microphone. And she was like wrapping or something. But then i hear something. Even stranger is almost as if the voice of a thirty five year old woman comes from the back of my car and says what the hell is she doing. Turn around and look to her and she's oh you just you just slipped out and i said let me tell you something. I had to kind of pull over for that as like. I'm not mad at you. And i'm not going to get you. I want you to know then. I know that was the what the hell of a woman who said what the hell before. This was not your first rodeo. That phrase felt very comfortable in your mouth. It knew where everything was. This is your internal monologue like this is how you talk to you. I just need you to remember that when the rest of us here it there could be some kinds of coins. I i just can't believe. I said it kind of way. Said it's a you all as so. She's laughing she can help like she's dying. I'm trying not because i'm just unlike. Wow she's like mommy please. It's so funny a hurts lacey's literally she's in the back of the car dying laughing and i'm just roasting. I'm just like i just can't wow you know. And like and i'm being honest you know but she like she was like this is just a funniest thing that has ever happened and so like it kind of was funny you know and so we got her dad's house You know try to have the lap him. Because i knew that wasn't really you know that wouldn't have inappropriate. I was like and we call so they laugh too before we got the car. And so i call my mom. She's like don't tell grandma she's not gonna laugh. And i was like she is and so she's like she's not and so you know grandma did not laugh and i was like we had go. We got call. One of my ratchet friends because we wanted to laugh about this with somebody and so we call my homegirl. Attorney shouts 'cause she did laugh. So yeah i guess. The fail was that i was so delighted by my daughter. Blurting out what the hell. It's but i i was just like this woman mining her grown women business and you have the identity so put this question of all questions to her. Is you to her woman to woman and asked her. what the hell is she doing. He's gonna pm myself so anyway I'm the worst that is the fail you know. I think if anything the fail is that you believe your mother would laugh and she continues to know your mom better. You do well. You know what i did not know is that she had called my mom the other day when they last spoke the name of got in trouble for cursing at her dad's house and so like it was a real curse words that time though at on my mom held us i mean is not okay but moi's hail you now graduate so fucking bitch on my know. He said those state. We've already been through these remember. I think you're forgetting we. We've we've had. We have some experience here but she had promised my mother she would not curse it so that was a specific conversation. They had when. I call my mom today shows. I couldn't laugh. Because i told her i was like come on. You know. I can never get her on the parenting moment like what. I'm trying to be indulgent. She's now she wants to be a disciplinarian. I'm my grandma really because usually right away like she doesn't have to do the work. That was fun. At least naima continues to give you a run for your money to meal. I live on my toes. I i have a suspicion that won't change. I think it's only going to get more so well before we get into our listener questions. Let's do some business slate podcast listeners. Help us make a better slate by answering our survey only take a few minutes and you can find it. Slate dot com backslash survey in case. You missed it. My new slate live. Show wild in wise debuted yesterday. I am hosting it with my best friend. 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It is much as we spend as much time. We spend outdoors and all sales crazy because we're outdoors. All the time at queens. I'm like oh my lawyers getting better with them getting dirty but they visit they get dirty and i don't like that part of it i just wanna kinda be out there and observed from a distance. I don't need to touch it here segments like that and to get added free. Podcast sign up for slate. Plus slate plus members give benefits like zero as any slate podcasts. Bonus episodes of shows like slow-burn dear prudence and you'll be supporting the work we do right here on. Mom and dad are fighting. Thank you very much. It's only one dollar for the first month to slates dot com slash mom and dad plus to sign up now. Also if you want to be notified about all things sleigh parenting you need to sign up for slaves parenting newsletter besides getting all of slates great parenting content in one place including mom and dad are fighting. Ask a teacher cairn feeding and so much more. 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Do you have any advice for supporting my twelve year. Old through her extreme sunday night blues it could be due to her hybrid in school classes on monday and tuesday mornings but it could also be hormonal. We are trying to address all of the issues as well as trying therapy. But we're happy to have some additional advice. It's really hard to see her suffer each weekend. Okay does not. I want you to take this on first but having antidote. I don't think i ever talked about this. This is not an ira the same age and dad and her mom were together so they were all living together. We went to different high schools but same age. Same grade same report card day. And i feel like there were a few occasions in which i was my mother. She has two siblings and so even though they were older it was just easier for me to hide certain things that were going on around school. Run my mother than it was from father because he was always going to find out win. Report card day was because of you had really good. Great i'm curious to know because i deeply relate to this letter writers child. I think my sunday night blue started when i was around third or fourth grade where it went from this kind of like. Okay cool schools. The thing that i like to like. Oh no not this yet. So i'm curious to know what advice you have but also did you have the sunday night blues when you're those good ask your particular where i was like. Oh no you're not talking. You know and i was my mouth windows. Aren't the report cards coming up next week. My dad came to the crib that night. Like young lady. I was like. I still remember that doorbell ringing like what i am so sorry. I'm so sorry. No i did not announce blue so. I'm sorry about that. So i you know. I'm a big believer just kind of changing things up. In while her sunday night blues could be related to many different things. I think that if you may take some time to change the routine like the weekend routine and see how that affects her. So for instance especially right now living through this pandemic and kids aren't able to see their friends regularly and even if they do they may come home and they're still kind of stuck indoors when they get there like take some time and figure out a new way to just kind of engaged with her over the weekend and see how that affects her comes on the evening. Mike is well. They haven't had like the sunday night. Blues my oldest son. He did experience. Like just what i call like. A heaviness in will come on during the week kind of like that smoke that we get in at the delta born to work like that wednesday slump in. I knew that in order to kind of help him get through the rest of the school week. We needed to do things different. So i started walking to his school to pick him up so he could just kind of clear as mind right and he didn't really want to do it but he would have an attitude about. It would be really upset that i walked to pick him up but halfway home his whole complete attitude with literally change in he would also end up thinking. Like thank you for coming to walk and pick me up. I feel so much better. So it's just a routine change. And i mean it may not solve everything but kinda look into what you can do to just change up that routine. See how she does with that. What do you think. I love that i had kind of come up with some ideas sort of on the same line that maybe sitting down and trying to plan out like what is it about sunday night. Is that all of a sudden. You have all this school work that has to be done. That was put off. Is that that something is going on at school and returning to school is not a happy solution and maybe in kind of under the guise of planning out how to have a better sunday you can get to the root of the problem but maybe it's good for the family like if it's schoolwork i was thinking like it's not fun to do your score on friday or saturday but maybe setting some of that time as a family like this time where we get those tasks done so that none of that is done on sunday or that like every sunday evening is a family date and whether that's a like we all go for a walk or we all go. We play a game night or something like that. Just just coming up with something. So that sunday or even maybe monday morning is like a special breakfast or something just to make doing something that you don't really wanna do seem a little better. I did want to say to that. I think even if you didn't have the sunday night blues a child or you don't have them now like we've all had this. There are all things we don't look forward to doing and so thinking about the ways. Like how do you make that better for yourself. And can you then apply that to your child likes. Who can you incentivize your child to have a better day and i think also just letting this kid now like it's okay to not be excited about school but what can we do so that. There's something to be excited about on monday. And maybe that is like on mondays. You walk to school and and pick them up. And i would imagine that gives them more time to like process and think about things and also talk to you like any time you can have to have that connection. Did you get through your sunday night. Blues or you just forget it. Barely barely. well. I'll say think the highlight of my sunday nights was the fox tv lineup but That was really the only thing that i could think of that. I really look forward to on sunday. Nights i. I love all of that. Sunday's as a day kind of sucked tools laundry day. You know like oftentimes felt like it was the day where like the stuff that had to be done was getting done. You know so. Not just a day of rest in play as i got older you know maybe when i was younger we were doing museums and stuff on sundays was i got a little bit older more homework etc. Like not saving all that stuff or sending doing his little. You know labor on sundays as possible. So rome cleaning taking place on saturday or even on thursday you know like how shores and school projects like you know avoiding things that are unpleasant on sundays. Creating special rituals like zinoviev said like having new routines. Like if there's something that. I'm looking forward to every sunday sunday just feels different. So maybe that is the day that you all are going to. You know when things are opened up again as the day that you are going to a museum or to the mall. it doesn't have to become an money. Ritual where every week you have to spend a lot of money on dinner or more money than you typically would but you know what's a meal that she would be into. That shared child likes to cook or they would just really likes to just have a pizza order. You're going a little caesars. And getting a hot and ready every sunday night just something that is worth looking forward to and and also surrounding monday in that same energy because i think that is as important as making sunday better so because then that way. The sunday red won't really go away until monday. Feels better ray. It's like what can you do to make that moment not feel so jarring so if it's you know the special breakfast if it's is airway that she can sleep a little longer on mondays than she does other days like. Is there some you know something that you can do. Like maybe a bath before bed and laying after close so you get an extra thirty minutes asleep and like is it a privilege or something you know extra screen like what. Can you do the monday. Feel like if not something to look forward to a soft start to the week. I think that for most kids. It's just a hard start and because she's on this hybrid learning model. It's more challenging. You know because it. It's the difference between what the rest of the week will look like and these today's which are going to be the most dreaded even if they were not the in person base so and you did mention a hormonal so there is the possibility that things are going to be happening soon. So i would just you know friendly reminder to make sure that she has her supplies in her backpack. Because if monday was not bad enough to start your period at school unprepared on the only two days out of the week you have to be. There would probably not be a very good memory but a very memorable one so you know. Give her a little pouch with a clean pair. Of andy's some waves and some sanitary napkins. I said sanitary napkins with us. I'm sixty five years old. Thank you so much for your letter and keep us posted. If you have a question for us fellow listeners please send an email to mom and dad is dot com or you can do with this listener dead and posted to the slate parenting facebook group. Now let's get to our second listener question for the week again. Being read by the lovely shot leonard. Can you talk about positive sibling relationships when there's kids with a big age gap if i manage to conceive. I'll have a six year age gap between my kids. I'm worried they won't care for each other or be that close. I had a large age gap between my siblings and we were not close as kids though we did get better as adults. Thanks we get a lot of questions about like family planning. And the first thing i always wanted to say is like. Don't make your family planning decision on this alone because you have no idea. We are going to give advice. I'm five years different from my sister. And then i have all my kids kind of in a like. They're all about two years from each other. There are like good things and bad things and personalities come into play and none of that is stuff that you can control. So i just feel like if you think that you want another child. It's okay to have another child even if like this is going to be the tricky part. But i guarantee you because you've thought this is gonna be the tricky part is going to be something else so with all that in mind. My friends that have larger gaps have enjoyed kind of being able to enjoy their new baby with the older sibling. In a way. That when you are managing the chaos of little ones altogether that you can't that you have this kind of partner and obviously you're the parent and they're still the child but being able to have them be part of taking care of this baby and that bonds something. I notice even within my three henry. The oldest and teddy are a really good match like they play very well together a lot of the time because he's kind of able to understand like hey. This is a kid. That's four years younger than me. It's okay if you just knocks over the blocks whereas closer in age. That is a problem so while when they're closer in age you have the ability to kind of all be in the same stage of things when they're further apart. you do. Have this option to kind of have this helper. So i think in terms of if there are things that you can do as a parent that may encourage that kind of bonding between these age gap siblings. But also like you're you might not be in control of that. You could have siblings. That are very personality. Wise the same. You could also have ones that are personality wise. You very different in my sister. And i who are like i said five years. Apart in age we have gone through periods of being very close and gone through periods of kind of living separate lives and in adulthood have been relatively close which you know again times when we call each other all the time times like. We don't speak often so i think there's lots of benefits i don't know looking at it from a mom with kids close. It seems like yes. Wait wait for the chaos novia urine kind of the same boat as me. Yes so my oldest. He is actually six years older than my youngest end. The relationship has actually been great. He can help me number one which is always good because my hands are literally always full but you know he teaches things he plays with him and he's really always been eager to help take care of him in a way that he doesn't for his simply. You know the arguing. Fussing and fighting doesn't occur between that age group the way that it does with those two oldest in the middle so i think just be open minded and having an environment where they are able to form their own relationship. Whatever that means be okay with that I also have sibling. That is twelve years older than me. And i know that you know he was able to step in for my parents. They weren't available for like field trips and things like this. Oh just being aware that like you said benefits to the age gap. They can help in ways which you may not be able to even imagine right now and do things they can really just make you know that whole appearance and during the a little bit easier at different times. Listen i am a is going to be eight next month. And i'm single with no serious prospects so if i do have another child. There's a good chance that she's going to be at least ten. When that happens you know and and so this is something i've given a lotta thought to. I have siblings. That are six and nine years older than i am actually closest to the one who is nine years older. You know they are very much my sisters and now the everybody's super bowl when the three of you know like when we're together like i am clearly the babies and they'll be. I'm sure you can relate. You know you're the baby but like we're old enough where we can argue back and we can you know i and we have an opinion and i have loved having another like having somebody else we. I didn't have any experiences with them. Going on like field trips on my behalf but there were times. I needed to talk to an adult. You know our needs to talk to somebody who was not an authority figure to me like a voice of reason and maturity and maybe didn't want to go to my parents. And i was able to go to them so like i. I had somebody to advocate for me with my parents. You know like some ivy like you're being unfair. You'll be like that was super helpful at times. It's just a different kind of love. But i think if if it's one that you are able to provide and it doesn't use so desire. I'm sure you will be fine. As elizabeth said you're hung up on this thing which means there's going to be something very different going on with the two of them but it's not as uncommon as that. Thank you once was because that would wager that there's going to be like a pandemic gap like there. There may be some age gap between siblings. I think a lot of people are putting their parenting decisions. Kind of on hold temporarily so all. That's a say your you know. Six or seven year old may have a few other friends that are expecting siblings around the same time. And they'll be able to do that together. I think to the pandemic. i don't know if you guys have noticed this with your kids siblings. But like because we're spending more time as a family and without friends they have become much more of a unit. I think like when we were in the netherlands they kind of had their own groups of friends. I mean teddy was just a baby. But henry certainly had a group of friends that he was with a lot not necessarily always hanging out with oliver and teddy and now one with the move and then with the pandemic we they have been kind of like a group like they have to fill a lot of those needs and that has brought them closer and i think sometimes when we think about siblings that grow closer in age it often feels like that's part of the reason to because all of a sudden you have aging parents or you have other things that you have only these other people right who can really understand this particular plight and so again. I just think you don't know what the world is going to hold. But i've just noticed. I think my kids are closer now regardless of age than they would have been without the pandemic. You guys had noticed that. I definitely feel the same way. Although that comes with at least from my household a lot more fussing fighting arguing but they are feel much closer. There are much closer than they were in their learning to work together in a way that they would not have had. We not had to change things up in this way. So my thing you know like kind of don't focus on it. Like i never thought much about the age difference in my kids. I just don't and you know we just made it work it'll work. It'll be fine as the. Yeah i think nine and her brother have definitely. I mean they've got a very special bond between them and the amount of time they're spending together now is different than the amount of time. They've spent together through most of their lives minus two months that they were here before i moved here. Yeah i think. Siblings are going to emerge own this different as everyone is having a different level of connection than they would have before a letter writer. We're saying go forward if you want to go forward you know they're gonna love each other no matter what and there are kids that are very close in as that are not close vastly different personalities. Any number of reasons. So you know you can't guarantee how your children are going to feel about each other. All you can do is raise them to try and love and respect one another and hope for the best. So we're hoping for best for you. Thank you so much for your question and for supporting the show and one more reminder if you would like us to weigh in on your conundrum if you need to tell you how many kids you should have just send us an email to mom and dad at slate dot com or you can post it through the slate parenting facebook group just search for slates parenting all right before we get out of here. Let's do a recommendations elizabeth. what are you recommending us. I am recommending getting a pocket microscope. We actually have to an so depending on what you want. One is a Like a little microscope. Ours is a carson micro bright pocket microscope and that one doesn't run on any ba- a little traditional microscope but small pockets is the other one is a wireless digital microscope. So this one we can also carry with us. It's very small but sends the image to the cell phone and has a little bit higher resolution. But we love these. When exploring outside. And i feel like i actually hadn't done justice to bringing them with us and brought them with us on this last trip and we were able to look at like the swamp water and even just like the fabric of different things in our fingerprints and just all these cool leaves all this stuff and the kids were just in wonder. It's like we've seen pictures of close up things but the ability to take this out and not have to prepare a slide to be able just to look at things close up and kind of see how the world is made. I think was really cool and and fun for me. I think jeff and i also like let's try this. What else can we look out with this. But the kids were so amazed to and any idea was a good idea right. Like let's put a rock under this. Let's put this thing. We found in the car because it's pouring rain under this like all of that was fun so i think adding a microscope to any outdoor adventure and you can do that no matter where you are city country wherever there's plenty of things to look out so pick up a pocket microscope. There's a bunch of options. We like either. The little pocket microscopes. Or the wireless do love that. Thank you elizabeth. What about shoes. Innovia what are you recommending. Well my recommendation is probably a little boring. It's very much as we are in the cold winter months and my recommendation is dany cream rising cream and this is because all of my boy suffer from old version of xm in. I actually developed it. You'd after my last pregnancy in during the winter skin gets horrible like my hand will actually kinda get cracked. We had gone through several different moisturizers lots of shea butter all the you know african oils and things that are recommended to keep your skiing nice and moist arise finally spoke to my kid's pediatrician and he recommended any cream in his literally changed our life in our skiing so i know a lot of parents have children suffer from asthma. And you know maybe looking for something that can really help. I think that this is like probably one of the best products out there. That don't really get a lot of publicity in is really good too. Because if they'd need something a little stronger you're able to compound pharmacy what they can make seeing different You know medicines into the screen to make it even better so vani cream. Make sure you get the moisturizing cream. Not the lotion lotion won't do it. It has to be the one in the jar thank you. I'm going to be looking at that out myself. Because my skin also feels mildly Ignition dry and gross during this time of year. So thank you for that. I am recommending truffle. Butter specifically armani truffle butter which they sell at costco. It doesn't have to be that brand. That is the one that i've been using. I love but if trump was aren't your thing there are lots of great butters out there that have garlic or a cinnamon sugar i. i noticed. A new selection of them in the store the other day which is great. Because i'm trying to cut back on butter. I'm like oh ninety more flavored butters. I guess if you're cooking vegetables on a regular basis you're cooking lane cuts the fish and chicken and you're using butter. Switched up with the flavored veteran. Groundbreaking steph here are mom and dad are fighting. I say anything to make cooking easier seriously. Let the people at the butter company do the work of cooking for you. Let them figure out what the should say like on that note. Thank you all so much for. Listening to. Mom and dad are frightening. We've loved having you here and novia. 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Toddler Ponzi Schemes Edition

Mom and Dad Are Fighting

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Toddler Ponzi Schemes Edition

"Your words matter so much to the people you care about and writing. Those words in a hallmark card is a great way to share love and encouragement whether times are tough. And you need to send some support or they're going through an exciting life change. You can show you care with a hallmark card. Find cards for all the people. You care about at hallmark dot com slash mom and dad and wherever hallmark cards are sold following. Podcast contains explicit language. Welcome to mom and dad are fighting. Parenting podcast thursday april fifteenth toddler ponzi schemes edition. I'm dan choice. I'm a writer at slate out to be a family. And i'm the natural ira who's fifteen at harbor who's thirteen. We live in arlington virginia. I'm jimmy la- mu a writer contributor slates karen feeding parenting column and co host of slates wild and wise chat show and moms to naima who is eight and we live in los angeles california. I'm elizabeth new camp. I write the home. School and family travel blogs such such goose. I'm the mom to three little's henry who's nine oliver who sticks and teddy who's four and we live in navarre florida on today's show. We've got a question for mom whose son received one of those sense stickers to six people chain ladders what should a parent due to. Keep your kid from being embroiled in some kind of toddler sticker bernie madoff situation. Then the cdc says that black women over thirty or more than four times as likely to suffer pregnancy related mortality than white women on tuesday person claiming this week is black paternal health week so jameela is talking with rose aca james from the black mamas matter alliance about the racial disparities the black mothers face during pregnancy childbirth an onslaught plus well schoolhouse rock is still alive and well disney plus but maybe getting a little bit dated so we're going to pitch some topics that aren't school house rock songs yet but really deserve to be but let's start this week with a dilemma elizabeth. You have a dilemma and you need us to weigh in. Take it away. I do okay so as you know we are moving to colorado springs and with that move comes a change of like our whole life and i've always said that every time we move i'm going to evaluate our school situation based on kind of each child and the place where we are and all of that so i'm looking at home. School academies for the two oldest and teddy is going to preschool like he needs to not be at home every day. So i've found a lovely preschool for him that he's been accepted into. It is not close to the house. It is like twenty five minutes from the home. We're gonna be in. I have found to homeschool academies that would be perfect for henry and oliver. They're different they meet on different days. They are also like twenty minutes to twenty five minutes away from the house in different directions. There is a school that has a home schooled me or like fulltime school walking distance from our home so the dilemma is like how in a pandemic do i decide like do i send these kids to the perfect situation for them. It's one day a week. What's a big deal but we're driving like all around or i'm assuming that we'll be able to go to these things that like with the pandemic set a place where we can go but can't go see them to evaluate like will. What is the difference between sending them to what i think are these ideal schools which is like this florist school for henry and this like art school for oliver or do i just like do the thing that makes the most convenient sense and say like going to the school. That's right back there. Or do i send oliver to one like do i choose one kid to get to go do the best thing i like completely at a loss for at what point do i choose convenience or do i choose the best choice for each of them as individuals ca. Okay so let me follow up on this question. The question in any case no matter what you decide for the two older boys. This will be happening once a week. Yes this year not sending anyone to full-time school okay. This is the easiest question anyone has ever asked me. I think we have the same. Excuse your kids to the school that they can walk two which is totally fine and is only one day a week so like what is the worst that could happen is that maybe they kind of like eighty percent as much as the other one one day a week and the best they can happen is that you are not in your car for like an hour and forty five fucking minutes and colorado springs traffic every tuesday. That sounds like a nightmare. I feel certain that if this neighborhood school what. I'm sure is the most adorable neighborhood imaginable in colorado springs is good enough for you to even consider sending your kids. They're it's totally great for them to go to for a day each week they'll enjoy it. They'll enjoy walking there. They'll enjoy meeting kids from their neighborhood. And you will enjoy not sitting in the fucking car. That is my answer strong cosign. I the only asterisk if one child can be plucked off this island. If you believe that going out of your way and taking one of the three children somewhere a little bit further away with absolutely make a tremendous difference for that child. Then i would suggest doing it with one but not all three of them. But how do you pick which one you like the exactly. Yes which is your favorite kid. Depends on you already sending one kid. You're already driving twenty five minutes each way. I could just send him somewhere local to this just like i would encourage that. I know it's just hard. Because i may never get an opportunity to be somewhere in which we get into schools or that we get these other opportunities only because we moved so frequently right so like we yet your absolutely right like there is a great school dozens and of course. That's just opinion. It's just like push them out the door once a week. This is great. But i also feel like. Am i passing up this opportunity for like henry to do this for a school thing which is only available to fourth graders in my passing up. You know this opportunity like do i say like okay. Well henry you can do the forest goal and then in two years. If we're still here. Like oliver can apply to that. And we'll see if he gets in like i feel very much like i want to give them all these great opportunities. But you're absolutely right. The reason that i haven't just been like this is a great idea is because of the driving but in my head i'm thinking on a meat moms from the neighborhoods. Who send them here. I'm going to have a nice little car pool. I'm going to be driving once a week. My little van full of kids. Someone else is going to be. I mean i'm thinking like you know. I'm going to develop a little community and not totally possible also possible that it won't happen very where am i going to meet these people. It's also possible that you can meet a community of parents in your own community at the school in your community mean. I'm definitely going to do that. Like i'm definitely going to be right but i mean i think part of the thing with this crazy school choices that a lot of people do not end up at the school in their neighborhood. Right like people are choosing all these schools because every school has some thing So they've taken these neighborhood schools and they're not even like people are going from all over the city to these different schools. Find out why they chose the school by your house and get enthusiast about that thing. That's true there's two different ways to think about this. I think right one is that there's a. There's a constant battle that we fight as parents between between wanting the best for our kids and then making decisions as to when good enough is fine and it's really hard to make that decision especially about something as big as school because there's an enormous amount of pressure on parents. I think especially moms to do. Never settling for less than the best for their kids because it's it's viewed as as some kind of harm that you're doing to those kids if you don't choose the quote unquote best I mean the counter argument to that is that society often works the best as you might remember from the netherlands when people are just a lot more satisfied with perfectly fine and don't go off hunting for the best all the time for their kids but instead work to make the thing that's perfectly fine as good as it can possibly be so. That's one way to think of it the other way to think of it if you want sort of a more just like Pros and cons weights and measures style. Is that you can make a reasonable argument that a significant amount of the benefit that your kids would get from. These amazing experiences gets counterbalanced by the enormous amount of time. You spend in the car getting there and the stress and Difficulty that that adds to your and their lives as a result probably not all of it but certainly it doesn't become a does universal good as a result of all this time that you're in the car and so if you're trying to figure out well what's the best thing. Maybe the best thing is not subjecting them to that and you to that and said giving them an anchor in the place this brand new place that they're about to live by letting them go to the school in this exact place. I one hundred percent agree with that. And i only want to add to put yourself in the equation. You know like you are the person who is going to have to do The majority of this pickup and transport. I assume right. Oh yeah all of this is my. That's essentially why. Although jeff levied and opinion it comes down to me because this is like my you know like i'm in charge of this aspect of our family works and so because it's me because it's my time right. There is such a drastic difference between time spent home schooling. And you know time spent being a chauffeur you know and so yeah until you're not a school bus driver. You're still mom in the car. Which means there's a podcast and a snack and an anecdote. Yes it is going to. I think compromise your own quality of life in a way. That doesn't necessarily seem worth it. This is a really so we've weighed in great news once again. These are legally fit. So i can't wait. I can't wait to hear the good news because it's definitely white. Count like my. You know my is to like put everyone of the different schools and run everybody around and figure out how to make it work so this is this is good and i have to make stations soon sacrifice your own comfort perceived best opportunity for your children. Part of the argument is that it's not only your own is that is a as jamila says your situation matters and you are the equation and be. It's not only you who suffers from those long drives and from a lack of connection with the kids are going to be in the car. And sometimes i'm going to times like 'cause you know preschool half day in this area. Okay when we have to start recording the podcast at like nine o'clock cardi set combination elizabeth's school schedule and i can't wait to find out what you've your kids. Your favorite come back with a full report win. This decision is made and are we. Our listeners eagerly anticipate knowing what happens. An i can't wait to tell you what a great decision you made or yell at you all right before we get to our listener question this week. Let's talk some business in slate. Plus this week we are throwing back to school house rock. We're talking about what twenty-first-century problems you wish. There were schoolhouse rock songs to explain. 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This is the best deal offered right now. Go to head space dot com slash mom and dad today okay. Let's get into our listener question this week. It's been read as always by the fabulous shasha. Leeann now dear mom and dad are fighting are one and a half year. Old son received some mail from his three year old cousin. I peeked in and saw sticker club and some stickers thought oh neat it wasn't until the next morning when i opened the package with him at breakfast that i realized what had been delivered a chain letter i thought these died with. Aol email addresses. You know the drill since stickers to the person listed in spot one a friend of our knees we don't know then copy the letter and send to six people and so on and so on the letter also says if you cannot do this in six days please let my mom know because it is no fair to all the other kids who have participated so far. I do not want to pass on his burden to anyone else. Do we just send stickers to the first kid do we forge six separate letters to our knees. Can i ignore it entirely. What should we do so my instincts Being a prisoner of boredom for the past year is the state. Just do it. Because there's a thing to do with the asterisk that this project could very well end up on my dining table where creative projects go to die. There are so many there from taxes to Decoupage table that. I'm making but this sounds like a thing to do right but i understand that elizabeth has done some investigative reporting in to the art of the letter. That might give us some pause. So i'm saying go for it but my answer is likely to change after we've heard elizabeth out elizabeth tell us what you've learned to first of all chain letters involving money are illegal so everyone should know that if if you are asked to like send money and then you're gonna get more money right. That is that is a legal. It's literally upon literally a ponzi scheme. Okay so i had to go look up a version of this letter because i needed to know what it promised but i basically tried to figure out how many people would have to be involved for everyone to get there. I think what. I looked up said like that. You're gonna get thirty six stickers or something like that ten weeks anyway. The point is when. I did the math. In order for your child to get the stickers which i know you don't care about but twelve million people would have to be involved for your child to end up with the stickers. Yes because it's like they say after ten weeks everyone's gonna get thirty six packs and you need to send it to six people but you end up at the bottom of the ladder so basically in order for everyone at your level of the scheme to get all their students. That's how many people would actually involved. Yeah but all you need to get your thirty. Six stickers is just for the right thirty six people to happen to get the letter and say sure the ideas like will you just send it to the first person and then you put your name at the bottom and you move it up and you're gonna get thirty six packs So by the time you move from six okay anyway. Whatever that number is if you then estimate a really. Let's say like a a cost of stickers. I somehow ended up with the number of like fifty four million dollars in stickers in order for your child to get thirty six stickers because twelve billion people and they need to send six pack of stickers. Okay this is a great propublica sponsored like ten reporter investigation. My chain letters and the results will shock you. My point is do not get involved in this mass first of all this child. Your child is one care. Wait wait wait. Wait wait wait. The child is one. i'll okay. I don't know how it's a little young for organized. Crime is all. I'm saying. okay. I didn't think i'll i got excited because there was a chain letter and i hadn't seen one since i was a kid and so i saw the three year old and i thought this was really the parents of three roads doing this. I did not realize that there was a one and a half year old involve which somehow is worse. I think i'm taking back my answer. Even though i have. I would love to see the math on that list. I'm dying to know it's just that gift of the person with all the numbers were out like the computer to run a two run. The numbers radio. It's possible that that computers is not no computer. Sophisticated enough has been invented yet yet. The numbers on the on the sticker club. I think you should just do it because this is the one chance to do one of these stupid chain letters where it won't matter that it will never work and your kid won't get any stickers because your kids only one and will never know any better so just do it who cares but when your kid gets older definitely. Don't do it because my number one memory of the chain letters is doing this exact chain letter in the year. Nineteen hundred one. When i was six sending off my six packs of stickers all the people on the top of the list and never getting a single fucking sicker in the mail anyone. Yeah because it's a it's a it's but why like you're not even helping your niece like i think the best solution to this. The like if she feels like she needs to to send something honestly my my real problem other than it being illegal. That's not sure sure. Yeah yeah what stickers to send me stickers no but i you know it's like okay. I'll just say what really bothers me. Is this idea of the guilting. Which is what chain letters do right and there are obviously like the ones that go around by email like we all delete them like no one is going to come kill you or whatever the chain letter says if you don't do the thing i don't like that it's like or tell. Tell my mom so that you can send it out to other people. Like nobody is getting their stickers. Even if you send the sticker to the to the person the number one spot like your nieces still not getting stickers so what you feel bad about is that you want your niece to get stickers to send your needs some stickers. It is insane to me that the parents of the three year old was like yeah. Let's do this. I would like to know more about the relationship here. The being unfair to the other kids who participated is maybe that is just part of the language that circulating in the letter will also who since. It's a three old. Like how did they get there in the first like is your niece starting the like. Is this where this particular chain begins with. Your knees may at least with Number one she's in spanish. Okay i think that you should just buy your knees pack of stickers. Send it to her and say here. This is for your sticker scheme you're doing i. you know. We're not gonna participate with since you need. You know if you need to send stickers out the people here you go like. You're helping her in her work. Do you guys not understand that chain letters like this are the only way we're gonna save the. Us postal service the very service. That delivers are ballots. Every presidential election send six acres to six people. Don't requiring say pat pay forward. I i still come out on jamila. Details original side like it's a ten minute activity. That at least will keep your kid occupied so just do it. Who cares your one and a half year old. Ten minutes later won't even remember it. You'll never have to talk about it again. At least you did something. At least you did your part for the us. Postal service when my kids get these letters. I'm going to say you know you can send them to laron. Harper can't wait for my activity. They could start a sticker club. Just not with money though it would be very lucrative. If my kids weren't gonna start some kind of ponzi scheme what would they be. Trying to get. Harbor would definitely start like a makeup club like the person on top of this list. Six bronze irs. Larry probably would just ask for money and get an end up getting sent to juvie juvie ponzi schemer stephen. I have to assume it's mostly. I mean the number the prevalence of chain letters to me that that's mostly what kids end up in juvie for. I think naima would also go for makeup and perhaps take tax. If relax you have to do these. Six tiktok dances or else you're in trouble. I think i feel so strongly about this because every christmas do you get those like you know. Send a sister thing that it ended up like send it to the top. It's just a chain letter but they want you to like send something on amazon to someone like would it be fun to get random amazon stuff and it's like these are ponzi schemes. Why have you not learned this. Got a apparently okay. If any of these things to me it always ends with me. I never i never forward. Then send it to me. I wasn't president. Ok i will send it to you. Jim you forward. I have to send a bunch of stickers to this lady's niece how this all ended up. Congratulations lady your nieces. Getting like twenty five stickers or me all right thank for writing in. I don't know if we really solve this. Or even if the math checks out. But i enjoyed elizabeth passion on the subject unmatched. Perhaps an intensity subject. We've discussed this show if you got something you want to gripe about and you want to see if it's going to be the one thing that pushes send us in ear rant. Email us at mom and dad played dot com or posted to these slate parenting base. It feels good to up for the people you care about whether they're experiencing trying times or going through life changes one of the best ways to show them. You care is by reaching out with a hallmark card. Your words matter so much every time you express support said words of encouragement or give. Thanks for those times. They helped you out. 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Black women are twelve times more likely to die than white women and when it comes to pregnancy related causes and there are a number of other devastating things that are happening to black moms and their babies during what should be the most as celebratory the most special time in their lives. Luckily there are a lot of folks that are stepping up to address this that have been addressing this for a very long time and among them there is the black mamas matter alliance and they are hosting the black maternal health conference. The nhc april sixteenth and seventeenth during black maternal health week. The black maternal health conference is the premier assembly for black women health professionals advocates and decision makers working to improve maternal health outcomes using birth justice reproductive justice in human rights frameworks. We are very excited to have as a guest today. At the james the national membership director of black mamas matter alliance to talk about the conference and about these devastating disparities that exist in the world of black maternal health. Thank you so much for being here. Rose thank you jamila so much for having us thought lighting us today. This is a topic. Then i'm i'm very passionate about. At one point. I was in training to become a dula and a have served as the doolan. A few birds moving across the country and the pandemic of made it a super easy for me to continue on that path but one was something i took on because of these statistics but the more i got into it the more that i learned about the experiences. That black mothers are having When trying to give birth and the and since this has become a more popular topic I guess the way that. I'm looking at the births of my friends. My own birth story and the women around me. I'm finding more often than not. There's trouble right. I'm curious to know what's your point of entry. How did you get involved in this work. When did you become aware that when it comes to black women and giving birth. There's trouble Is this something that you always knew of that. That that you are clear on or something that you weren't able to really articulate a until much more recently i've always been interested in public health Turn on child health. But it really wasn't until i was pregnant myself with my son. I was in my master's program for public health and might focus at the time was hiv. So it was very immersed in that world Actually spend a lot of time in west africa studying about maternal and child health where we typically hear about you know the global south or africa or asia south asia these places where people view as poorer places in the world having bad health outcomes especially when it comes to maternal child health and haven't been pregnant at the same time while i was doing this work and so Halfway through my program by husband. I moved here to to atlanta where we live now. When i moved to atlanta researching hospitals aware wanted to give birth to my son. And i knew for me i wanted to have as natural of a burst as possible. i wanted to have a midwife. I knew i was very low risk. And i wanted to give birth in the hospital that will love me to have freedom of movement and i wouldn't be just restricted to what the doctor just told me and so through that research. I really learn how battered situation. We are here in the. Us you know black woman here in the us are being killed three to four times more than their white counterparts hispanic counterparts during and after childbirth which is ridiculous. If you think about the us and you know how much money we spend billions of dollars on healthcare each year and we are recognizing as developed industrialized country. But yet you know. Black women are still facing the brunt of a system that frankly doesn't really listen to us. It doesn't really respect our wishes our values and it's not really catered to support us and so going through that experience myself and having a community that was supporting me and you know having a really great birth just had me thinking. Why can't every black women have this birth. That's how i started working with. Bima may about three years ago. So it's personal. And i would say the personal is political. So that's really my entry into this work. You mentioned money on the amount that is spent in this country on healthcare. I think it's also important to mention and that the mortality rates for black mothers hold across class lines right so this is not a matter of you know the majority of black people in this country are poor. It stands to reason that they would. You know have lexa you know less access to save prenatal care or you know certain other interventions in my In sir a safe pregnancy but that you know upper middle class college train women college degree or not. We actually know that you know a black woman with a college. Degree is less off worst in a white woman with a high school degree when we look at maternal mortality data trends which to me. It's it's it's it's very troubling absolutely and it speaks to the fact that there's not just one thing that we can point to right we can't say this is because of hypertension or this is because of diet. This is because You know that there are so many factors including medical racism Throughout one's life that could lead into a negative outcome during pregnancy. Rose for someone who is black and preparing to at some point barrett child. This is incredibly stressful information to take in. I had a child at twenty eight. I read nothing. I didn't know preparation. You want you know. I was winging it in a lot of ways and i realized i was incredibly fortunate. You know because the women that i know and also i. It's been almost a decade later. Some friends that are having kids now are also having kids at a different stage of life. But what i see around me is that you know the the women in my circle are taking a lot of care and energy to pay attention to what they're eating or you know the questions that they're asking their doctor because of this mortality crisis. So i have a twofold question one how can let people that are preparing to have children best. Prepare themselves for a happy healthy safe burr. To how do you suggest that black birthing persons of the future be they black moms or otherwise. Take in this information ray. Because you should not we i. It's not that we should look away from this crisis but this is a lot of stressful information to take. When you're thinking about your fertility and you're thinking about what might happen to you you know if you're going into the hassle or if you're currently pregnant and you're listening to something like this and you're reading about these things. Yeah we hear. These statistics black women after four times more likely to die and i think that can be very terrifying for some folks like you're saying and so we'll be. May we're really thinking about reframing the narrative black women are not showing up to birth wanting to die. It's a system that's not set up for them which is killing them or harming them during the birth process. Whether it's before after or during so i think one taking the blame off of us and realizing that it's not our problem that the system is not set up to protect us and it's not doing. Its job to ensure that we are having safe and healthy and happy deliveries in pregnancies. Post partner all these experiences across productive health spectrum. I think one putting that blade back shifting that and saying hey it's not me you know everybody can do things to you know. Take care of themselves and you know. Prepare their body but at the end of the day were seeing it can be perfectly healthy and you could still have an a negative experience or you know you can be a whole doctor or whole professor and you can still experience more. Maternal mortality. Mercedes so i think for us. It's really putting the onus on systems that are put in place that are not helping us and really thinking about what does systems chains. Look like how do we amplify the solutions. Within our communities that include black midwives dulas lactation consultants that are fully versed in our culture And their to embrace this as a safety net throughout this entire process. And then your other question like to talk by not thinking about having a baby and or even exploring you know becoming pregnant you know with this information. Now i've been working as a maid for about almost three years now. And i just had a baby six months ago and so you know knowing the work that i'm doing knowing these statistics and being so intimate with the details knowing things i remember when i was pregnant with my daughter was terrified. Even though i had really good providers Do love really incredible dula in a whole community support system today going into labor going to the hassle. Even i know this hospital They respected my wishes. The first time. I knew they were going to do it again. This time there are still that fear that inherent fear being a black woman walking into this place. And you know when a moment that i am supposed to be at ease as much as i can cause we know. Labor is hard But you know as much as i can to prepare my body in my mind to bring this human being into the world having that additional fear or burden on there is something that my white counterparts do think about or have to deal with and so thinking about that additional stress. That's put on us in general society on a daily basis and then coming into this experience of even having that and so i think you know of course inform yourself as much as you can't asking a friend or you know who has had a positive experience with a provider that you know You know that can recommend you for thankfully you know. This week is also black from turner house week. Saturday we highlighted some incredible new technology being developed by black women for black maternal health Particularly the earth at by. Kim lucille's adder. Swear it's basically like yelp and so you can be like. Hey girl i went to this provider and you know i didn't feel good about this experience and then people can go in and look and see that. So i think it's really like i said putting the onus back on systems that are not providing us in taking care of us in the way that they would our white counterparts and then also knowing that our power in our resilience is in our communities in our families we continue to know the solutions that work best for us and so i think having a community having a village that supporting you in this process and that's include your provider. You're dula your momma. Your sister your partner. We need to start having these conversations with their families our communities about you know what is really going on and you know how we can support each other and make sure that we are best advocates within our community around us that we sent her ourselves in is also advocating for us in the process. So we are doing. The work bima may An all nations. That are part of our lines are doing the work to secure a safe feature for black mamas and today incredibly. We just got news. The president biden signed a resolution officially recognizing black maternal health week and the work that be made is doing all the organizations that are part of our lines who are really revolutionizing what it means to have community based care for black mamas so speaking of the work being done How kim folks be supportive. Rose we have a holistic dot website of our partners who are around the country and they do all types of community based work from dula based organizations lactation consultants. Legal whatever it is. These incredible organizations are doing it so you can connect with them by visiting our website. Www dot black mamas matter dot org in terms of supporting bma directly. You know we always direct folks to sign up for our newsletter by visiting our website. Follow us on so shows you know we live in a digital age where like everybody's wanting to seek information and so really following us on our social is a great way to learn about a whole bunch of things in ways that you can get involved with the work that we're doing in our partners are doing in their communities as well so i know that registration for the conference. This weekend is closed but there are one believe there are some events that are public in two people will be able to access some of the Some recaps and some footage from the conference in the weeks to come right yes of course You know we'll be sharing recap from the conference on our socials in our website so definitely stay tuned for that. We also have things that are resources section on our website. And if you couldn't join us this year make sure you to stay tuned. Join us next year for sure. Thank you so much rose for your work and joining us today. Thank you so much jamila right. We've come to the part of the show where we choose individual items or concepts to recommend to you our listeners. After years of debate. I've decided to call the segment recommendations. All right elizabeth. What do you have for us. I am recommending a book and it's not about ponzi schemes. but it's called plastic ass- maritimus an invasive species by anna patio and anna is a portuguese marine biologist. And she wrote this beautiful book. It's been translated into english. That is kind of a reference book about oceans and pollution. And one of the things. I love about it is that it's beautifully illustrated but it approaches the problem from a really like specific nature like at talks about why it is so hard to solve this pollution ocean problem and why it is so important and then it essentially invites kids like here are some ideas we've had. Here's why they sort of work. Here's why they don't work. What other things can you think about. And because of the illustrations it's really acceptable to any of the kids to look at. We also like to all read it together. But i really loved that it truly presents the problem as complex because i think so many children's books sort of say like oh. We just need to go do a beach cleanup. And it's like yeah that's part of it but this is a larger problem and we're really going to have to address this beach pollution and this plastic. That's in the ocean in a more serious way in a lot of different ways. So i really enjoy. The book is beautiful and again. It's called plastic maritimus. An invasive species. Good one what about you. I recently had to throw away all of my cookbooks. not that i had a ton of them but They've gotten wet and pretty messed up. And i realized i'd been carrying most of them around for years without opening them up. Just moving them from kitchen kitchen city to city in part. Because when i want to find a recipe there's go now. I can just look on the internet machine as opposed to having to go into an actual book in because i'm know not really doing as much creative cooking as i liked to so. I ended up deciding that. I would purchase a cookbook for now and i got salt fat acid heat. I know this is a huge book. That everybody you know. That's really into cooking and food Has something to say about when it first came out a couple of years ago. But i- person who's not interested in the culinary arts completely looked away aside from the fact that title of it. Salt fat acid. He just kind of makes me hungry. 'cause it sounds like some sort of really well seasoned meat even though actually don't eat red meat just having it for a couple of weeks i've learned much already just about like the science of cooking Which is something that. I don't think i've known a lot about a little bit about baking but anyway if you wanted to be a better cook if you wanna learn how to properly salt your fish for example. Did you know that you're supposed to do that. Like fifteen minutes before you could get as opposed to like immediately or as you're cooking it as i've done in the past anyway You can learn a lot from this book so salt. Fat acid heat specimen notes reds It is an incredibly well illustrated and find exploration through the art of cooking to recipes. I love that book. The conveyor belt chicken It's an extremely simple. Just a way of cooking chicken thighs basically that makes them crispy and juicy and great and then her persian ish rice which is basically a way to make taty but a little bit easier and a little bit less likely to fail completely as every attempt. I previously made to make that great iranian rice dish with the crusty modem field before but i always succeed with some means recipe. It's awesome erik cole. Book when you have dan i'm recommending Children's book series. Probably best for second or third graders Kids who really like Captain underpants or big nate the sort of genera of chapter books with tons of drawings to fool kids into thinking. They're not really reading chapter book. The books i'm recommending or called the cookie chronicles thereby matthew swenson robbie bear. There are many reasons. I like them but one is that they're they have the appeal captain underpants without being quite as stupid as captain underpants murder more thoughtful while still being very enjoyable and funny they follow a third grader named ben yokoyama And his best friend janet and kids in his class and in each book in the series he finds a fortune in fortune cookie and has that fortune sort of starts to take over his life as he tries to follow it in the first one he tries to live every day. As if it were your last in the second one. He tries to figure out if good things really come to those who wait. They're very charming. Very fine The authors are a married couple. Who live somewhere near me. I think in like out on the eastern shore in maryland. And they're really fun and the books are really fun. They're called cookie chronicles. The first one is called. Benny okayama and the cookie of doom. The second one has been yokayama in the cookie of endless waiting. I think kids would really like. They sound perfect for henry. I'm gonna road trip book series for him. sounds great. he's in the sweet spot for that. Yeah i think so all right. So that's it for our show one last time if you want us to weigh in under andries female mom and dad at slate dot com. You can also post it to the parenting facebook group. Find that by just searching for sleep parenting on facebook. And obviously if you haven't already subscribe you should subscribe to monitor. The very podcast. Just listened to do that. Wherever you listen to podcasts just bash that subscribed by the every time someone does that. 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The Bitcoin Podcast #353- TJ Rush TrueBlocks

The Bitcoin Podcast

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The Bitcoin Podcast #353- TJ Rush TrueBlocks

"The access s so good that song so good what. Follow up from gives it never gets. Can we interview. He won't show. It never gets old has show interview. Let's make it in t. Let's sell it. Let's not give them any of it. Let's let's like it real well. You heard it here gets off you. Oh who's holding your camera. Corey move in the right. That was gonna weird anyways. Hello everybody welcome to the bitcoin podcasts. this is the show where sometimes talk about bitcoin But most times negro domino's of their asari shot paul mooney we start the episode rises recruiting record recruiting who are recording slash streaming When you pass away today today being may nineteen twenty. Twenty one paul mooney the character that plays that guy that you see of the so hard of there i gotcha This guy this guy. He passed away the gun to please. Not negro dominance. So anyways. I like to put. I'm gonna put on my negro domino's hat today in this episode. But hey guys welcome to the podcast is episode It's up there. It's ostler's the the house. The talks after him got cory. Patty hosted talks third. He broke episode super weird now because we have the interview in the round tables separate things. Yeah but episode. Numbers are kind of dumb at this point. Let it be done. all right. Cool there's rock-solid Number is by the way the exact three fifty three. Okay so Yeah so you know if this is your first time listening watching a show where we talk about. Bitcoin sometimes scripted all the time all the time. That's actually tangents. Go onto engines. Far today we're talking about What we can avoid. We can't avoid talking about. This has been a forty percent drop. Fifty percents rob's ends all right depends on how your portfolio was set up but all e-leong decided to take a dump on crypto on friday. I guess he got bored of being a genius. Only sold adopted. he's trying to. There's no mortgage that's unregulated. So he's like you know what i like the way this big Days i love the way people are talking about me. I want to go and manipulate this. Market real quick. You know. send out some tweets. That i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about and watch this journey drop and then by some more bitcoin when it gets to a certain level point now. I know it's very confident of a man of myself who doesn't send rockets into space that can lend themselves to say that that man who leads a company that sends rockets into space in lands them so we can use them again. Doesn't know what the fuck is talking about. But he doesn't so Let's go into that. He's a yeah. Yeah those those millionaires captain mr. Musk should we out. Doesn't always talking about or should we. Just keep him over us all. I'll say this much. Like i said that there's a conversation of this in the slack. So put it up join slack. There's a lot of things going on. In terms of conversation about crypto. That never makes it to the podcast but is incredibly relevant. Joined that compartment contribute learn. Make us smarter. But like as i was talking in that conversation based on everything i know about. What do you want us done. And the things. I've read about him and the way he makes decisions and builds companies he. He is a what's called the first principles thinker doesn't necessarily go along with the concept of like This is what everyone is doing and this is how contribute to it starts problems from like a first principles like these things that are true. How do i build things from here. This is a logical conclusion. This is what i'm gonna do and if that happens to be against the grain. He doesn't care. This is why off the not. He builds companies that do things that go against like titans in the industry like space exploration and in the court and in the autumn automotive industry up sure there's plenty of arguments around this artsy comments in the live. Section does gives me around like argument that but like he's not dumb. He's just in this thing. This incident little bit out of the is still. Let's let's breakdown one of what he said like Bitcoin is is sustained on energy which is fueled by coal oil right like the the very security that backs. The bitcoin network is run by a six. Which is you'll by energy which is fueled by coal and so like the majority of the arguments against this sort of probably one of two things that i've seen so far one is The majority of the mining in the crypto industry is done offer noble energy the evidence for this as far as i've seen so far is is very small and based on a lot of assumptions that then take those assumptions wait for the mississippi so but even if we take that even if we assume that's true There's an episode with core. Dr o on epicenter epicenter. Bitcoin where he brings this up as well and says even if that's true there's still a better allocation of energy resources. That should that should be used outside of putting it to. Bitcoin like smelting melting loom. And so even if it's done through over resources there's still better use cases of renewable resources and i agree with this because there are alternative ways for doing distributed consensus than proof of work that are arguably just as good that don't require the country's level size of electricity get. There's so again this case. I think he's right and the arguments that i've seen from bitcoin maximus are pretty much garbage listening to youtube I forgot that tab. Sorry you're watching us. The other argument i think people have had to think about this is There's another one that i that i had in my. I can't remember off talking ahead. The new energy resources in the narrows. Now come back. So bio argument is this. Is that like the argument here. Is that energy consumption or emissions right. That's the thing because if he's talking about emissions in what they could say that if the emissions of the bitcoin network more than that of the country of argentina or more than that of the country of arno nicaragua or something like that. That's a that's a sound argument about energy consumption. I don't know what's the big deal about consuming energy. Nobody else in the us anyways. We'll people use century. people will use it. That's the argument like that. There are a lot of reasons to use. The excess energy is super excess. That's still a market. Yeah the market. That could be used for a lot of things that could be arguably more viable especially win. Consensus can be done alternatively if there was no other way to do contributed distributed consists this way in such a fair and permission list manner. Then that's a really good argument. But the ritz but okay. I get that i get that however like remember. We had andrei us on the show a couple of years back and he was telling us like most of these mining farms are buying the excess energy. They're buying they're buying excess energy like That would have been sold off. He's on the dollar to what they typically sell anyways for demand. So what's the problem. What's the problem with them. Buying excess energy could use for better things. That's that's not the main. What is 'cause like people like people fight for excess energy in a grid. That's like an isa ewing it on your own say like i have like a mining rig in my backyard. And it's run by solar energy or like water turbines or something like that then sure if that's the thing that stable level the shooting across the globe that's awesome but guess with not happening at all thankfully as dylan. I deserve thankfully. That was the right to have that unmediated. It could have been a trouble. I could have been in trouble now. what i'm saying that's like for me is what i'm saying is that's like me having a storage unit just one and like somebody comes in like seo not using this origin. Can i use it. And i'm like yeah sure you know pay me you know and since it's been sitting there awhile all i'm not charge you that much. Energy works so still energy. We're i'm not talking about any time about like the sell them buying excess energy and so thin so then the guy's like okay cool. I'm just gonna put one candle in there. Because i got another. I can do this. Candle a might. Oh no you can't use that much space for one candle. That's foolish reason to use that space. That no one else is using than i can't fill up so i'm gonna cause a riffraff about this. Hey this guy is trying to put one on full storage unit. There's some bullshit is a much better use for the storage unit like. That's the argument that they're making is about to excess energy that they're just piling up and the guys are like well you know if you're not gonna use it. I'm going to buy it. And i'm gonna use it for i got wrong. What how am i wrong. Because that's exactly what other people are saying to prove me telling you. Their arguments are stupid because that that excess energy has market onto itself to. I told you felt aluminum. Smelting is an example of that. There's a lot of things that people do like the industries do that vie for the niche of excess energy that could be particularly beneficial society to bitcoin mining. It is a very large topic that has more depth than like. It's just energy. That goes to waste anticipates into the thinner. That's not what happens. When seconds jesse wearing a rapper bracelet. We'll say what's on their. Jessie what's jewelry. I like jesse. Never looks the camera looks the other direction i mean. They're not actually. You're there wait second. What when did you give that chain. Wait a second jesse. Did you talk about this. What are you at platinum shadier. Right there what's going on. I see it baller jesse. So what do you think that. No one has the price. 'cause everybody was to hear about it but i want to jesse. Where'd you that brace from you. Baller to what do you think about. You must you'd have to be yourself. So so what do i think about the drop. No that wasn't either of the choices. I'm sorry i'm a little bit distracted. Runningback running back for me. The first choice is where did you get that bracelet. Baller the second one is what do you think about elon. Musk's we have to talk about it. It's like you have to he. He's the reason for the drop that at about dr. Yeah okay so one mexico to gutter at utah mexico on to think eli dude. He i mean. I think i think i actually looked into people who worked for him just to kind of interest to see what kind of person he is in general and i think you guys are reading too much into it like he can. He sees he has the ability to move markets. It's nothing more than the. Oh i i'm not saying he's flipping original district. It's not it's not like sucking deputy on musk it is. That's that's a proven record of his ability to output work. His involvement with crypto is more than likely a celebrity move manipulate markets hundred percent undeviating. The marketing knows it can get away with is not rug sci-fi. I knew i had like a money printer. I would turn it on like. Nobody's like the and twitter. Biden is hands lab for doing the same thing with tesla. Right by the sec. Now he sees like you can do this unregulated like it's like no brainer to the guy in fact i'd like to meet the person that can have money printer in not turning on to though right well it tells you him and how much he cares about this industry or this is this so he cares about people where to see real care you'd see contribution and integration into the underlying technology. You don't see any of that. Yeah exactly what is he doing. Meaning about dose. He's saying that we can get it to go faster than bitcoin. He's like he talked to the core deb's like what does that attack is easy to contribute to and it's easy to see the contributions of the tech and i don't see any of that and so like to to think that there's some grandiose vision of this is going to change the world by someone who hit clearly has the ability to change the world based on taecker but engine technology. We're not seeing that. It's a no go for me. it's gonna be no for me. So so the reason is is so he he. He sits out some nasty tweets to bitcoin an instead. they're no longer accepting bitcoin for payment. For tesla or store space tours or whatever and that causes the price draw from think we in the high fifty thousands to the High thirty thousands. I read and then it drowns out of thirty k. Bounce off twenty nine thirty nine look terrific. Astu and there's more there's more space to go down right. it's well so everybody's looking in their portfolios. Leo's right now that's a lot of red. I think yeah. I was in my portfolio and like a couple days. That's paid black. That looked at my bills. I got message this morning from some workers instead. Joe look your portfolio. You're welcome and that was it. Feels like i need some year. Your co workers have me on speed dial to you. Because i looked into this morning i said oh my god and then just kept a straight face with everyone for the rest of the day. That's my real strength self. What we've done anymore. It's doesn't stink. Look let's just be real about it. I'll say drug thousand a theory but still five thousand understand that but let me get real with anybody who might be watching in ruble. The audience is gonna listen like this. These days hurt bad these days. Test your emotions your fast if you bought sixty layer whatever it was right. Yeah now hurt bed at all if you bought three hundred. Let me let me rephrase it. These days her bad if you're not shorting right because some people are shorting in they are going to vegas tonight. They booked the flight at eight. Am this morning in. The survey goes right now paying for things in doing things that are illegal in most states right but some people aren't shorting right in you know. Some people are trying to build wealth over time in days like this. What will we really weeks like this. It's gone out they sting. You can't say that it doesn't sound. I wanna say it's weird because this may be a an issue with op sec. But like i watched my portfolio move in like in orders of magnitude that i wouldn't have dreamed of earning a year. Yeah that's true inside of a day and it doesn't flow right. it doesn't affect you. Because he forced to the numbness on works. And i have a lot of confidence in where this technology is going and and and what i'm doing here and my skill set is forever going to be useful so like i'm i'm always gonna be able to make money and i don't rely on this money right now too till like pay my bills right. I've set myself up in a way. Where like these. Fluctuations don't have any effects on my short term life. yeah but what. I'm not talking about you personally. I'm talking about advice do that and then you can play in this market as much as you want hashtag absolutely advice not has tag hashtags. Take care of your shit invented vest in this type of stuff. 'cause like would this stuff inevitably happens which it's going to you. You're not gonna want to kill us in. I would say. I would say make investing in this stuff part of taking care of your ship but do it in a smart way right through cashflow take percentages. Know that if the percentage of your cash flow that you're investing in this stops going away your income coming in is still just more than enough to get you set for life right. You gotta doing a smart way But this is that kind of show. We don't do financial advice so occupy so i'll do that all day. Fucking sound like iota and the slack shit. Our negative make make plans and if it doesn't just quite workout happens right iraq that's right so Ubembe bag of there or mister mooney. Backup there. This heart energy crunch thing. I have said for years that. I think it's actually going to spark innovation for renewables. Because i just don't understand how it's so hard to see that. I could turn some juice in the money like literally. I just feel like why not try to make that something. We should make efficient like hey son. Watches rain some money out of the sky. Like why not why Here's the issue with that As currently stands today In order to have an operation that contributes effective ray borges profit rate board game by the way operation. Absolutely that nice shasha played sir and anyway in order for like this. I like the idea of what you just said where i live on my house. I've got some renewable energy going on my house like solar or wind. Turbine makes excess energy and after two pm on a sunny day. I've charge my batteries for my house. That can last for the rest of the night and the rest of what happens on. That thing is pure free energy. What to do with it. I would like if i could contribute to a network like bitcoin and make money off. I'd love that. That'd be awesome. Guess what the capital required to contribute in any meaningful way to Network like bitcoin is absurd. You need specialized hardware that very hard to get to have specialized infrastructure to support that hardware. You can't do that. In monterey mining a both cerium and bitcoin make maybe a theory you could make an argument for gpu based mining which is going away by the way. That's not gonna be a thank god and so like that concept of like going back to the original bitcoin. One one one vote is dead so stop pretending like it's a. It's a future that we'd like to have forgotten downloaded scenario. I'm not talking about. I'm talking about mining ops. Like why wouldn't mining lobster try to make it efficient because you have lost unique national level renewable energy sources in order to provide the energy required to do those types of things. I'm telling you that. The excess energy in those things is a market unto itself. That could be better spent and things outside of cryptocurrency have better ways of doing consensus. It's dumb. i don't think that's what these arguing i think. Dj saying that. Hey like i so i. i'm out of my depth. Who have made really contributing in terms of like i. I don't know how they're pulling Electricity like the last. I read which was years and years ago about mining in china. Was that there in. Bum fucked nowhere right in a small village. There's an abandoned warehouse and there are. There's still running electricity going through the warehouse and so they set up jam. It was it was a damn thing right. Run away from so basically. They turned that defunct dam and subsequent into a mining operation. Because there's no other uses that energy. And then i think from what i've been told. Some people have basically taken that story and ran with it and say most of most bitcoin mining operates that way. I don't wanna do that. That's why i'm saying like. I know there's probably some bitcoin operations that are like what do you call them. The people gypsies you know they're they're basically like moving like i. I read an article saying that government officials kind of our stem from whatever location that they've set up their minors at and so they're kind of moving around trying to find free electricity. You really cool minors. Come talk to us that they neglect to do so. They're not going on here bro. Minors don't talk. Might whoever is not talking is benefiting the most the absolute most and they they. They don't go on shows every once in a while you get two random minor board of issue has told us that gypsy is that appropriate terminators. So is it nice. There traveling gypsies out there. Yeah i think of another word can't say gypsy anymore. What what what's the appropriate time for jesse traveling pending bond a bag. I don't know. I don't know he's like i've heard the term gypsy a lot. Something you keep saying. Yeah but i'm ignorant on this. I don't know what their proper turbo you get to keep being. You're not supposed to say if you're asking for the right term hours. Transient gypsies a slur. Use it anymore. I people comes to the folks who were fairly called gypsies. You can't say or can't say the word heiresses nomad. My wife says nomad the. That's not that gathering for food. Can we get Frame because come into the frame do you wanna come wanna now all right all right well. Here's the thing you can't say gee why can't spell it. So oh i'm monty people something similar to the community we'll just call them. Vagabonds goal nazi-like. That's even more i. That's a little bit now. it's not it's not derogatory just a little bit further off. Maybe one day. I was in austin and i gave a vagabond box of cheeses. Oh just call them via private jet hoover private chat for those. You don't know that it's almost like back in studio of the people who helped produce this thing or just like going wild with telling us how bad fucking up here okay. So we're not going to call them that anymore and let's go into a daniel said just call them. Nomads just called nomadic people right so one time i was in austin in. There was a nomadic person. Give him a box of cheeses in any flicked me off because he did not want a box of cheeses. Yeah shit. what's your support person. I'm not gonna say they didn't have a home that's the way gypsies aren't homeless. They just travel. Yeah they're not homeless again. Oh sorry. Nomadic the nomads. The nomads of now. Anyway script was yeah. Let's talk about so there's some other things to talk to you so there was some fun. I'm i'm just going to call it foot at this point What are you what is your. What is your definition of fight like what does that what does is it is supposed to be like fears something. And i'd certainty doubt on the same wavelength in terms of definitions of. I thought it was but i heard about. It was a fucked up delivery. That's what i thought. That's a good one good old. Feel like that's a really good way to put what funds right like it's like. It's i mean. Fear uncertainty and doubt is like the motivation behind it but like times so motivated took 'cause that which is fucked up delivery. Yes so for those of you not unindicted with curto or investing. Really fudd is like news. That's fake and the reason why it's fake is before it's bollock. Maybe it's high. It's high wool kind of fake right. It's either super fake or a little fake white lies whatever that kinda get like Exacerbated and in it introduces exuberant not exuberance but introduces a lot of fear or greed into the market right Now it's funny that when it's not greed when it's not greed rights Win the price is going up on fake news. Nobody cares. there's like this is crazy. What like google's going to accept it going tomorrow. He presented all the psa points this crazy. Obama got a bitcoin tattoo on his chest. Graver bitcoins price going up but like if the price is going down it's fake news. The crypto people like hone in on like this is fake. This is fake and let me tell you what. Here's seventeen articles outlined the fakeness of this one article but china bands bitcoin once per cycle and they banned it in different ways. I think most of the time right. Yeah they ban more than just bitcoin this time so then now it's like you know trying to band you know one year though. One cycle obama bitcoin from like airbnb is in the next cycle. They'll ban bitcoin of from seven elevens but every bull cycle china vans bitcoin or crypto somewhere in the entire. Twitter sphere crypto sphere. Just loses his. Mind so i try to ban bitcoin again in a couple of days. Go by and nothing really changes. And everybody's like so. What happened again. And i like no chinese like it happens in our slack every time you pay attention somebody goes. I actually know chinese people in. They're buying bitcoin right. Now as we speak. And i'm like well. I don't understand what the ban is for. So maybe it's just another way to manipulate. A market. So in china can gobble more bitcoin Because if anything like gold was in the twentieth century Maybe there might be a race for one day. Who knows about buying a Jana jana benz bitcoin in cryptocurrency cycle No dialing twenty two one thousand nine hundred and two hundred twenty through society for you can't use like i mean you gotta go through every day saying what sexist or did i offend someone. I have no clue anymore. I'm just howard to make fun of black dude. And his voice. Yes yes it could be. Is it yeah it could be it. Depends right it all depends. I go so yes robert. I'm white no because robert downey junior literally did it in a movie alive that got away with black face. Yeah we'll continue just so like the also like this since. I know you're not a betting man. But you're an invest in man. The odds of you get in that ass beat out are high risk so percents. I'm not just though anyways. Let's talk about more things so At article came out. Recently that said that americans In that is the united states of americans not all of america from north to south but just the united states are really into Ethereal now like there were over over bitcoin. Bitcoin was last decade. this is ran berries use. Yes this is a theorems decade now with. They don't even know theory. Does it work as advertise. So it's all part time and they hit the. What do you mean it. Cost me seventy five dollars a log in like. Hey the rules of adjusting mixed the rules. Baby bilas as it stands today right like if you just happen till to try and do something on if you're on the wrong time and most people are going to do this right. Yeah i'm going to go to gas now dot org which is my favorite place to understand what the current gas prices are no sponsorship there. It's just a really good website. Holy shit gas. Prices are currently at six fifty gwei. What's it cost me thirty dollars to send f which is the cheapest thing you can do. So here's the irony in all of this is like the twenty seventeen. When there was the bull cycle in bitcoin i think the highest cost the transaction from a to b was like fifty five dollars. it was bananas right. And everybody's was like. Oh i thought it was supposed to be free quotas. I know resource brow. We all the way free. You know what i'm saying like that's pretty much was the argument and so now at the time of three was boasting. Like oh see over here. Let in theory of land. It's tree all of your turnout. That's not whenever happened okay. That isn't exactly high up in. You're right but they after. They were boasting that that gas fees were lower than bitcoin. So the theory of worked better at sending money than bitcoin. That was the argument. I remember that argument. Now we've asked for the clock for years and a theory them as having a lot of trouble doing that. Basic smart contract is sending money from me to you guys. A smart contract Built in functionality. That's not okay. So that's not everything. It's a transaction of sending sending ether a spark contract stilted also like what i was trying to get to you before you so rudely interrupted me was that depending on what time you you log in and try and make a transaction on him. Tragically decays the price Yesterday at the same time as the day you ought to cost you like one eighth of the price for some reason right now. It's it's it's way more expensive Earlier today around nine am eastern time. It was almost three times the price as it is today. Almost a hundred dollars to send either to somebody so this is the way i'll go. Let me let me let me like. Let me tell you why what's going on right. And this is this is going to be the subject of eighty blockchain when it gets to a point where it's reach capacity and as a currently stance blockchain technology doesn't scale very well in terms of capacity. Bitcoin happened that like early early days. In bitcoin. it was basically free and the economics up. So that like you could have free transactions. It didn't really matter because the block rewards compensated the the the miners for securing evaluating network. That's what paid out the people for performing the security of the network a understood that over time as that inflation rate the block rewards went down over time that you'd need to find a way to compensate the miners to continue to secure a valid network. And they said we'll transaction fees eventually. We'll start to take over that. There's two different ways in which that can happen. You can have a tremendous amount of transactions for small fees which compensate the miners on the same level or you have lower number of transactions with very large fees. And so how you do that. As a technical problem in terms of what the computers can do in terms of passing around the blocks in actually doing consensus on those transactions in the timeframe it takes to do that and bitcoin. This is this is the subject of the block size debate in bitcoin. For years is can just make the blocksize bigger so that transactions smaller we have a bunch more transactions and minors can still get paid with transaction fees but we can we can still have very cheap transactions for individuals or we make them small so they're easy to pass around the network and the networks as more efficient meaning that those who were participating validation. The miners don't need ridiculous harder to do so. That was the argument right in the came along. And if they're yeah. That sounds cool. We're gonna do something similar we're also going to add. I don't know forty thousand different types of transactions you can make and we're gonna drastically expand the use cases of what. You're doing this for beckham. Bitcoin was like. I'm sending you money. That's you had caller coins. You had various things but they were all kind of derivative and they didn't. They weren't useful bickering for sitting money period. Talking about a theory. We talk about all kinds of various things and so we we drastically spended the types of things you can do with with with with blockchain while not really innovating with the number of transactions we can fit block j per given unit time and so we moved from seven transactions or seconds maybe fourteen transactions per second or so one of them but we but we change the things you can do by orders of magnitude and so in the early days of no one is using a bunch of people who are trying to figure out what smart trod contracts can do. It was like it was cheap is fast easy and it was like. Oh look i can do all the things bitcoin can do. But it's cheaper faster. And then i can do the other stuff. That's also cheaper and faster a of this. And then that worked and then industrial investors started again in defy took off and got to the point. Where like oh shit. Everyone wants to try to funnel all their transactions into this thing that can't handle that transaction volume. Well we fill the bucket up right. So what happens if you're trying to fight for scarce space in a block chain ledger. Prices go up. Go up hard and we're not even get into like maximum attractive value and flash bots in all the gains who are playing in terms of like the types of things minors can do in order to like ordering things like get into that nonsense. We're just looking more people. Trying to fit transactions into the same space highlights a real quick star. Give a shout out to darker deed from the slag that me a different. The actual doctor in the slack. He's been inserted me these articles in this really interesting evidence to show that it is possible to game the miners of theory them. In your flash loans in order to get them to order transactions in certain ways because the order of transaction actually has a lot to do with the resolution of the flash loan knowing an entire navy panel on on hashing it out here in the next coming quakes dining to the concept of howdy. Incentivize minors to order transactions. In a certain way so that they profit and you profit from them profiting. What's movie to the five people. watching live. four people are maximally maximal extractable value used to be called a minor extractable value. Basically like the types of choices that minors can make in order to make the most money out of the block they produce but they they changed the terror of until like maximum tractable vice so Basically like what's what's the maximum amount of value that i can. Extract by changing the order of the transactions in which they put an old block. I like it and minors to like virtual surfers. They're just writing ways of data in the best ones that you have our to dictate. How transactions together then will you do things like decentralized exchanges at automated markets then they become the most powerful people assuming that we have free will in terms of how the they're the whales xylitol news that there's an entire network of software that runs in terms of fighting for how those those transactions get put in the right place which is a which is a whole different conversation. I had to cut she. 'cause we gotta give preview the interview if we have it but We're gonna talk about a few things when we come back from that preview. One of the funny things is owners warm of in just real shortly and then we'll talk about Some other stuff but do we have do we do we do we do that. The sun vicious not her desk leashes looking back sticks to. She's bashes alicia we got. We have a clip for an interview. This is all the way live. Super life i guess and hello everyone. Welcome back to another one of the big win. Podcasts interviews And the best time of your week Today worst showing by mr j rush the ceo true blocks and blocks. I'm gonna give you more than a platform to speak to on your own. But it's a company that's trying to make it easier to to gather data out of the theory and blockchain. So we'll start like we always start jay What's your background. Has fallen crypto. like you know. Tell us a little bit tells. The story who is jay. Well i'm i'm an older member of the crypto community. Probably one of the older ones been around in computers since prior to microsoft writing software since early nineteen eighties. So i was very very interested in the early internet when it first came out the use the internet prior to the worldwide web. So it's very interested in the world wide web because it let people share information in a way that we'd never could be four and everyone was so excited i this capability and for seven or eight years. I did that and it kind of didn't turn into that. Didn't turn into exactly what we thought. We were building so then. I went and became a poet because i wanted to be a wit my whole life and i went and did that from two thousand five until about two thousand thirteen or fourteen. I was teaching english in teaching poetry and will probably about two thousand thirteen. I heard about bitcoin. I got really really interested in bitcoin because they were talking about the same sorts of things that we have been talking about twenty years earlier with the internet. How we're gonna be able to share information. Better educate each other better communicate with each other through this undeniable source of information and they didn't really bite on bitcoin until twenty sixteen laden are late in two thousand fifteen. I heard about theory. And then i just bit and i've been up my teeth in it ever since. I just fell in love with the idea that we can do. Basically what we thought we could do back in one thousand nine hundred four with the world wide web which is make the world a better place. Basically i hope that blockchain does go the same bat. The world wide web has gone. I'm concerned that it will percents. we can get into. This is going to go. Because that's what i think about. Oh man Before we go into that one. How do you go from like one so one like. Where's your poetry working. Find it. I gotta know in the end blocks after us. Thank you make it directly Well i discovered after about five years. I'm is not terribly lucrative. So there's there's not a lot of poetry out there. There's some websites you might. If you search for thomas j rush you might find it out. There wanted to love. So i really really enjoyed that. Jesse's on it look really really. I'm kind of person that kind of falls down a rabbit hole and just kind of let myself fall. I go without reservation into the whatever it is that i'm interested in and i just happened to me. I just got captured. I just went so but it's not really something that you can make I mean. I don't think they're six. Poets in the history of the world ever made a living off of poetry so jay z gnaws l. local high. I'll chain there's not an un a medium talent poet that made national mac story. I call him. Tj because that's what so we met Through the internet's. I've i've not j. for quite a while. Now we met through the internet's in the infidel slack when the dow is happening on syria and we were enzi was the name of that channel at like data people or something. It was basically like the at analysis channel of all of the like booking in looking at what the data was showing on the blockchain and trying to understand could around like the technical part of the dow and then the heck happened and that entire group basically turned into like a bunch of white hat. Hackers and bloggers of. What's going on a who who this person is. What information can refine and then i. I don't know anyone that group that hasn't gone off to like continue doing a similar vein of of things in the american system because it was so it was so unbelievably intense when the dow like prior to the dow coming out as the dow was first for sale because everyone believed that we were building something that was unique in the world that never existed before back that you know we were experimenting with something was brand new. Four thousand people in a smart contract that you couldn't change the software you couldn't. There was no upgrade path software and about two or three weeks maybe five weeks before it was released a there was not even any curator or owner of this piece of software. There was nobody that had special privilege. Every single person that had a token had exactly the same privilege in contract. There was some curators is a listing. That came late that came really late in the process. Almost like a couple of weeks before it was deployed. So you know the when. I first heard of the down. It was uncontrollable software. It was software. That could not be back door for people to change the way operated and that was on purpose because we wanted to build that these software and only operate by everyone. Who had tokens combined. And then i think people got a little than they put a net curator stuff But prior to the curators that idea building a piece of software that was mutable could not change and had forty. Thousand owners was just stunning stunning. I'm still here seven years later trying to do exactly that same thing. Like why did we not build that what what failed there. That's kind of what. I'm trying to figure out did you have eth- slurp at that. I did well. That's why don't we start by. Like i'll be going that path a little bit to tell the audience and an us what you started building in when it's become today so you know i had been poet for about seven years so it was just coming back into the space so i didn't really have the benefit of knowing current technology. So i wrote this piece of code. That one of the things that people were thinking back then was a and people said this. All the time was that every single person had equal access to the data that was being produced so everyone could see everything it was purely transparent right but then you get into it and you start trying to look at this data and it's just the least transparent data that have ever seen so you go. You could go to either scanned to get data a that. Just didn't make any sense to me because we are trying to build this decentralized piece of software where another thing that happened back then is ran their own node on their own machine. Because that's how the decentralized network was supposed to work you're supposed to be running your note and if you're running your on you should be able to get the data directly from the note and that was always what i thought. We were building. But then when you start trying to get data from the note it was just new year and it was nearly impossible to get it especially for this really large active contract so a i built a piece of software that tried to extract the transactional data from the dow. And the only way i could make it work was to use either scam so this was just an api just reading api from either scan and it never sense to me ever. It just didn't make sense. I call that either slurp and people use it a little bit to get some data off a chain but then you know i always just felt that was wrong so then i've been working ever since like december of twenty sixteen on writing code that lets me get the data directly from the chain the way i think it should be. I don't think we should have to go to either scan to get the data. So that leads. Into what i built which is called true blocks so either slurp either floor was basically the best i could do at the time and it was third party. Api reader basically. You bet. i think you built this. The c version of what i built in python very likely. Yeah you've you've got i was. I was jealous of you because you got your thing up on either scan as unofficial There could still there there it is. I am what. I won a corey. I don't even know this. Accomplishment is in them sad and you never told to me to hear all. I'll share my screen while you said that i have to know And i'm calling you t j via proxy A hat the not a y such conviction. that people shouldn't have to go to either scan and get their data. People should be able to read it from the blockchain. Because i'm i believe that if there's someone between the user and the data that that someone will eventually become someone invades privacy. I just think that it. It just seems likely to me that that's where you and this is literally exactly what happened with the early. Internet is exactly the same thing. Because i can't get to the data other than going through someone else so so what that means is because either skin is a web server. It's a shared resource. And what has to happen is i have to tell them hawaii. Ym in order to get there now. I may not tell them directly who i am but they know who i think as soon as they know who i am they connect me to my address and now my privacy is going to be invaded. Eventually they're going to figure out how valuable that information is. Now in the same position as i am today with google and i think it's a much worse position because the data is so much more intimate. The data of my spending is extremely intimate data. It's revealing data. So i think it's really important that we build a system that doesn't fall prey to this kind of snooping mentality. And i'm not casting aspersions against either scan their great. I love either. He's all the time it's just in the end. It will eventually go there because it's so valuable. It's very true. And it's but we're talking about this other kind of deer 'cause all before i go into that koi would we're looking at right here. This winston lowdown sets is I built the python version of either slurp a long time ago in order to do a lot of my mic token analysis distribution pieces that i wrote on medium and somehow or another keefer scattered. Put it on their website. And i don't know why. I think i mentioned it and michael tan said. Yeah i got you and then just put it on site. Yeah i looked at this. I think I built a seat. Just you came on twitter. He'll do the same thing. Click plus version of your thing but There was another guy that both this thing called the his name. Lyrical polymath i see. He seems ostentatious. He had written this piece of python code and india comment of the piece of python code. He was actually reading directly from the note he was reading. His data directly from the notes is very interested in and the comment said. We scraped four weeks data from the dow and it only took seventy two hours. And that's why bill. That's why built what i go. Basically because it if you want a data directly from the node it literally took seventy hours for three weeks worth of data. Well i find it interesting in in also kind of valiant that you're trying to give the user power and then to hold onto their data but you're talking about a lot of human behaviors that even go past the history of the internet. That are like almost insurmountable to change right. I i think all you do is you. I like i like that answer. I like it i like. I like i like it. I love the energy. But like even now i find myself fuck. Find what's up becoming a middleman to almost every middleman everyone. I've educated on that this very few people. I've advocated and they're just like off to the races. Most of them were like. Hey man you know are you busy. It's saturday on our three pm. I'm clearly busy. Like i'm a grown adult. I'm clearly busy but like what's up man. How can i help you out like. Hey you know that seed phrase thing. How important was that okay. It's gonna be a long conversation all right so it's almost like when i was sort of ridiculous response to that but before you know almost all the people in the world can read now but at some point in other words a guy that could read and then he taught the rest of the people to read. So that's all we're going here trying to educate people make them understand better that they can't just they can't live in a world where they're just going to be taken advantage of. Because i think if we don't change if we don't build a better system it only gets worse it doesn't get better. We hit the harpist build a better system that this is a big part of. I mean if you look back at what the hell you didn't happened it slowly but surely centralized into That was somewhat of an infrastructure. Play right like it was efficient to get done quickly to architect the infrastructure in such a way that it got it get architecture and the internet was built and we end up with what we had today. blockchain said. We don't like that anymore. We're going to make something new and the process it's it. It makes incredible behavioral changes people. Because they don't like that then in order to like kind of bootstrap adoption or take steps in to get people's takes the tiny steps of right direction as opposed to like massive swings of behavioral change. We've made centralized services on top of decentralized services like venire right or skin and that's that allows people but but it got too comfortable in a lot of ways without in my opinion without people like tj trying to make the same services but in the ideals of like you own everything giving someone the option to opt out in the event that they want to and pushing those in the direction of like becoming easier and better than we're just going to end up in exact same spot over and over and over again at like you have to have people that are willing to say like yes uncomfortable but it has to be built and it's not going to get better until someone goes through the comfort of doing it and a couple things there. It's ridiculously uncomfortable. It's terribly uncomfortable. It sucks you know trying to build this thing on a on a desk Go has always been to get the same amount of information as either scan on a desktop. That's my goal and it's brutal brutal and then the other thing that happens i think is because we don't really solve the problem and we just sort of push off the problem until later we built on top of that solution. That's not the right solution. It gets increasingly more difficult to to go backwards. Infix it again. And then you just sort of never go back until you have a revolution but i see what happened the blockchain as a revolution so so and i kinda. Purposefully did this as i said. I'm a little bit. So i kind of you know i'm happy to be way out there on this crusade. Almost if it doesn't work out i'm fine. Go for a hike or something. That's worth i mean. I i personally like this. Because it's one of those situations where i don't know. Maybe it's because i'm a tinker right like i don't ever i like having things exactly the way i want them. And that means that. I don't like being relegated to someone else's solution. And so when i see methods for getting the data that i want exactly the way i want it i really really enjoy it and when i compare that with not having to rely on third parties to get it tonight i. It's i'm through the roof about it. That's what this is right so like. What's what's incredibly lacking in this ecosystem as it stands today Forever instill today is like personal accounting software. Small business services quickbooks crypto. How do i figure out the difference. The difference of value. That i have today versus when i when i build it. If i'm running a business and accept crypto. How do i perform taxes on these types of things. How do i keep track of the money. How do i always different things right. Thought to build that software or like only use that software. There's two ways that that can happen. Someone does it. And i paid them for it. And get all of my data. Or i use the blockchain and have software that pulls it pulls the information what and aggregates at the way what it gives me. That doesn't rely on someone else. Solving all the problems for me and i prefer the latter and what we're seeing is. The majority of people are building the former. They're building something like. Hey it's really complicated. Pull information off blockchain. Let's solve that for you so we can have all your data and proper for that ship. Internet was doing as opposed to like. Hey here's software that allows you to pull whatever information you want from the blockchain. Exactly how you want it. In a relatively easy way and now we can build software on top of that that makes it even easier and still privacy preserving allows people to do whatever they want in whatever context they want without having to expose themselves so people do not want to expose themselves to and you know it's really weird. It's really weird. I said it was brutal but it's also kind of weird to be working on a desktop computer. Because i have to make all kinds of unusual choices when i build software so as an example like a web server like like either skin if it gets if it gets ten let's has ten users if it gets ten more users. The pressure on its infrastructure doubled on a desktop if i get ten new users on a desktop. There's no change whatsoever to my software. Because i'm running on one desktop for one user so the the the relationship of the software with the user is completely different on a desktop and it is on a on a web server so in a web server situation the more users you get the more resources you have to spend so you're incentivize to lower the number of resources per user whereas for a desktop. I'm like giving the entire computer to a single user so get actually a much more snappy much more interactive much more Quick piece of software. I have to give up all kinds of stuff. Like i can't look at ten million records inattentive a second or something like that but i can look at the data for a particular user as deeply as that user wants to look and give him way more data than a website is going to be able to give that same user. Because i don't share the computer with somebody with anybody now. You can scale website out that it costs money to scale website out timescale out so the the whole it's it's a very different pieces of software desktop software and that and that's what i'm building and that's what i'm focused on end this kind of surprise me as i was building it because i got kinda start working. I kind of looked at it. And i'm like this is really different than a website is not a website. It feels a lot more like it's a spreadsheet it's almost like software. You would get an old computer for the internet right so like feels almost like what rights she'll fed by the internet is fed by. The node is fed by the node software. So it's almost like a spreadsheet. Because i can scroll through three thousand records instantaneously which i can't really a website. I'm loading pages. Every time. i wanna go page age age age. And they have to do that because they're delivering thousands of pages a second to thousands of users right. They can't give me every page all at once whereas on desktop. I'm giving all the data to the user memory nagging too scant straight through it and then there's other there's other really interesting thing that happens because it's not j. Rush going to eunice slop or j rush going to e. n. s. or j. Rush going to You know some other pieces of web three software. It's actually j. rush going to a single piece of software. That's getting all of the data that jay rush used so as i'm scrolling through the data i'm bumping into transactions from giveth transactions from get coin transactions from rate after each other. So i can see my. I don't have to go their separate websites to see all this different activity. I can see everything done right in front of me. I get a very personal view of data and it's perfectly private because it's on my desktop. I'm not sharing with anybody. something here. context i think that's lacking is is what the model you've gone for is at account based model said. You're you're in the way that the block chain stores things were sticking to a theory and for now right the way that the theory of knows worked today is not set up to answer queries. Safe like i want. I want to know everything about this account. Right us entire history the way that the data is stored on your computer or if you run a note is not set up to answer that question very well and so teachers had to do is create software that pulls that information and then creates a database for your that answers it really quickly or like understands like oh if you ask that question. This is exactly where i need to go. And how i need to ask it the most efficient way for how stored on your computer and that's a really hard problem to do because the way the note says software set for is very different. It's optimized for something very differently and because of that it's really hard to get account based information for an individual user or an individual smart contract throughout the history of of its entire existence and all the it is the more difficult it is to get that information quickly and so what. I think. What what you've done here needs to be emphasized that not only have you created a way to get that information quickly for yourself a privacy preserving way but you've also started coming up with ways in which you can share that information well for other people who'd like to do that so that they can get that information quickly without having to go through all the process that you're currently going through so that way in the eventuality that the software gets us in the it's pervasive people want this information like it's snappy for everyone in the resources required to get it doesn't mean you need three terabytes of like expensive storage in order to get on a deep subject so i tell people what i think happened. Is that the people who wrote the node. Software am i doing k. A. the i am. I like to go to let her filling the fill in the space. I'm enjoying the king johnson while snaps. I think what happened. I think what happened. Is the people who who built the node software. They had a mission which was to synchronize with the chain. They what that's what the note soccer has to do. It has to synchronize. It has to get all the transactions and share the transaction. It does a second thing which is delivered the data through the pc. But i think that they completely almost completely ignored that part of the task of the note. And i think that the the rpc is really inadequate. I'm with the rtc. Does it kind of forces able to extract the entire chain. Because it's it's kinda so poorly done that you have to extract the entire chain because you can't really get what you want from your pc. Which i think in most cases. Sorry peter no you know what i'm saying. I'm i'm just throw perfect. It's everybody's amazing in the whole world. Should they focus on some different things so so you can't really say. Give me the entire history of an account on to the note. You can't say that because it is literally takes thirty days to to return the answer because you have to go back and replay every transaction because you have to look at every transaction to get the full details because of internal transactions are familiar with probably. No i want to be very simple. Example is a smart contract is called by a a regular user and initiates another call to another smart contract which initiates another call two hundred other smart contracts which in is twenty five hundred others. Say you get this whole big call tree and at the very bottom. You get the account that you're interested in gets gets a token or something so and you can't find that until you go down all the way to the bottom of the tree and find that transfer see between the top and the bottom is internal transaction at the moment are trying to take into account the the types of things that are happening when contracts are calling contracts right now like if you if you do something on a therapist so anything that happens theorem comes from a user like a user submitted transactions of the network that calls a function in some smart contract or transfer you transfer ether call smart contract some function or smart contract and that has to be done by a human sentinels bring opens up and things like that right but once that happens. A smart contract had call a bunch of other smart contracts in existence. It trigger a bunch of events in. So if you're just looking through either scan you're gonna miss a tremendous amount of information that happens which contracts call other contracts and you may not know this but doing token accounting. You're just playing accounting theory. Him frequently arrives with mismatch between what you think you have. And what you should know what the chain is or what the date is telling you have. And that's because. I think we don't dig deep enough into the data to find those way down at the bottom of that call chain. Somebody transferred some some either some gas or something got transferred so if you wanna do eighteen decimal place accurate accounting which is what i wanna do. Because that's what we built. We built in. Eighteen desolate is accurate system. Why can't we count for it. You know you have to go all the way down to the bottom. And the data's not organized that way on the node so in order to find that for a single address you have to scan the entire chain or you have to extract the entire database but if you extract the entire database you're gonna get literally twenty terabytes or fifteen or twenty terabytes data and now. You can't do that on test to tell me the secret sauce. How do i what. I tried to do right. This is exactly what i tried to solve. And i think it comes down to the fact that there's no index. There's louis no index of addresses in the chain. Though i do this i call it. A scrape scrape down through the autumn of every single one of these twelve million blocks no ten billion transactions however many transactions are and every one of those calls into the calls into the calls into the smart contracts all the way down to the bottom and i extract addresses and our record. Wear the address appeared. I call him address appearances. So i built an index of address appearances. That's what i felt. And then i have an index. And now i can say where should i look for the transactions for my address and a now the node kind of becomes a fairly good day this. It's not great. It's still a little slow but it's significantly better than scanning the entire history for a given address. Because now i can just say picked him up twenty seconds to read the next and say you know. Here's a list of every appearance of this address. And now i think go queried directly for things like transactions traces locks for that address and i can build an accounting database that allinces finally but the other thing that the other metro blocks does that Your stuff didn't do. is it caches. The data wants it. Holds the data. So i said the note is like an okay database. But it's not. Let's not pretend that. What i did is even close a we also cash the data so that professor look up nights one way. It's literally of what you pull the. Here's like here's the process that i six. I've i've installed your bits. I've gone through a process. Those going to be some hashing it out. Videos of like mia j going through the process of installing it in playing around with it released later on but like the way i see is like i have i have. I'm a full note. I'm an archive. no the runs. You can get access to one since just as easy and i started up through blocks said. Here's my count and it's all right. Let me build a data but let me this index. Tj just talked about. What's the index of addresses in. Now i have that index badgers. I can go all right. Drew blocks give me everything about this address. It what it does is. I know where to look now. And because it those were look it pulls way quicker from the blockchain as opposed to trolling through like block zero to block. Now where all of these things could possibly be. It says it's in blocked this this this this all transactions in was i have all these transactions. I have all information i could ever want in a bit in the transforms it into the form that i want now. I have a probably the fastest way. Possible all the information that i could ever want about a given account and all the accounts interacted with ed. So now i can basically do whatever i want that information. I transform it display. It pivoted whatever. How long has it taken building index for like all the accounts i said earlier. Takes thirty days to to scan the the The history i think. That's a bit of a misstatement. it'd probably. I think we were doing it very efficiently when i when i got at these data because it takes about three days to start from zero and built the entire index used to do it per transaction. Now do it per block. There's like a trace routine per block that we can use. I think we're using it before but it takes about three days to build the nets Once it's caught up to the front of the chain it kind of easily stays up with the front of the chain because there's only one block every fourteen seconds and we process that instantaneously related. I'm so it takes a couple days to build them initially and then it just stays up. You have to run a piece. Offer continuing to scrape it stays up with. I mean there's like an ever-growing memory need for the software right david continuously. I mean just like all blog. I mean the ever-growing resource needs will. We're on a desktop. So we're really constrained. So i was mentioning earlier that you can do things on a desktop that you wouldn't do on a website for example you would never store data in a file and read the file but believe it or not. We single user so On a website. If you were storing data reading it from file when the user requested the data you would be in trouble very quickly because you have ten thousand people hitting the the file our drive single user. It's how a computer works so he can actually easily store the data on file on disk and read it from this so it's actually surprising. I'm very surprised that you could do. That is true. And it's strep in there was a single user. Makes your day to here. It's just selling something was getting to got download. The whole blockchain. Well that's that's what i wanted to get to next. Is that like. I said like if i wanted to build the stuff from scratch than i need. I didn't archive node. Many to run this entire index. But what what what is additionally for people who don't have those resources is basically he's come up with a way to chunk that index up into like a bunch of different pieces and put them on fats so that way like if you're starting from sierra club boy outlets my answering this is this is fucking amazing. You do this part. This is this is. This is just beyond ridiculous. So yes we have this index that comes from immutable data right like blocked. Three million hasn't changed since block. Three million happened. So once we index it that data never changes. But if i'm building a regular database index and i'm adding new records to the of the from the front of the chain. I saw an index is sorted so i'm sorting that index. Now i've ruined. It's immutability an index will not be immutable if you're sorting it. So i didn't like that. Because i want to recognize and preserve immutable data So and the reason i wanted to do that is because i wanted to put it on. Ips in that doesn't really work on sorting all the time. It changes the hash. So what i do is i just keep adding to this growing index until it gets to two million appearances two million records in the database. And then i sort it. And i put that on. I get back a hash. But then i do something else. Because now it's immutable. I can take all of those addresses and create a bloom filter in front of this index. Sean so i have a chunk of an index and put a bloom filter in front of it right and i get from like fifty megabytes. It goes down about fifty k. And i put that on a pf s as well and then if a user starts in they don't feel like building be index themselves. They can download the entire list of all the bloom filters onto their hard drive. Jake can you explain what a bloom filters quick. Yeah so it's way to Take in this case addresses them. What i can do is i can represent the entire two million records in a probably one hundred as much space by just putting a little ones and zeros that represent the addresses and It allows me to say is the address that i'm interested in in the index chunk. And if it is the only then do i download the full index. Chuck in a different way. So i understand it others because i think it's a bloom filters really weird and more often than not using crypto for privacy preserving methods right and because what a saying is music user. I want to get information from somebody. Who has i don't have anything on my desktop provide computer and i want to query a node that i know has this information but i don't want to expose to them what i'm asking for so what i what i say. This is how you make a bloomfield there. You say here's a pattern. Get back everything you have that matches this powder and depending upon how explicit like detailed by patterns gives away. How much information that i care about. If i'd said give me everything you have with this full address did going to know. Exactly what what address looking for in the types of provisional. I wanna know in so like it'll return less information but it will know exactly what i want as opposed to say. Gimme everything you have. That has addresses that start with these four characters and so it can't really know it address that i'm actually looking for but i'm gonna get a lot more data on. I'm and you may even get a chunk. That doesn't have your address in it so you have to actually say you know. Just gimme everything you have. I don't wanna tell you too much. But and then you have to search yourself to see if it's in there or not. So we use this to avoid downloading the larger chopped so we only download the blue filters and then what we wanna do. We haven't quite gotten this far as we wanna pin those blue filters on. I et fast. So anybody that uses our system hinz the bloom filters and what happens now is the more users get unlike a website the more years. Get the better. The data gets because everybody's pinning it and this is exactly what distributors offers supposed to be like that the more users you add the better the system gets not the other way around and then another thing. That's really amazing is. Let's say i scan through the blue filters. And i find that i that jay russia needs twenty seven actual chunks of the index. So i download those twenty seven chunks and i pin those twenty seven trump so now. I'm pinning some portion of the entire index. And you do it. And you get fifty five other chunks and european those but there may be overlap between the two so now as a community. Were all helping each other by downloading pinning. This one thing that's missing from the know that allows us to get direct access to the data that we want so. That's what i'm trying to build. It's really hard to communicate that it's really hard to even figure out how to make that work. But that's all i'm kinda trying to get to and i'm getting pretty far actually so it's crazy it's crazy so so i- every single time you soared it. You basically pin that sort in you hash. What changed is that. How it's able to keep it organized. Is that what we do. Is we just keep looking at the chain. And each time a block comes in we extract address from the block all the way down through that hole call chain of all the smart contracts The bottom and we add that tour index. And then we sort that we say is there two million records in in the index. And if there is then we stop adding to that chump. We don't add any more. Next block will be added to the next trump and then we and then we right at type. pf ass than we build a bloom filter and right to bloomfield guy fast and then we keep track of the chunk in other trump has a certain block range in it and it has to ashes one for the bloom. One for the mets instead of like keep that keep that in mind in terms of usa and user you end up doing is just say like. I'm in front of this piece of software. My desktop give me all of the things that happened with my personal address. It says all right. I know how to ask that. Question to the blockchain and it says it took basically i. I have the list of indexes for all of the different blocks law. The bloomfield are indexes. Say all right. So what blocks need to download in order to get all the transactions which is which is a reasonable thing to ask without exposing any any information to anybody earned so says argued need unique blocks xyz. Maybe it blocked. It brings down twenty different blocks chunks chunks of chunks of transactions from it all over the blockchain ended. It looks through those in pulls out so like each chunk is going to have. We'll say we'll just round numbers. Thousand transactions in them says like all you have to from this block fifteen from this from this chunk twenty from this chunk. Whatever right and it says. Now here's all your stuff but we have the chance we're gonna pin those and so what happens. Is that like a by me. Getting my information in a very privacy preserving away in a very efficient privacy preserving away from the from the blockchain not only am i like i have like all of my data in front of me that i can query. Immediately could quickly. I've also helped support the network for anyone else who happens to those chunks. Because i've only need like twenty transactions and to give it through but like there could be tens of thousands and given chunk two million. Now i'm supporting that part of the blockchain for anyone else who needs to have 'em what's what's interesting is people tend to interact with each other a lot as what it you interact with your friends your friends in review so you kind of help each other more on a friend by Basis the other thing that happens is smart. Contracts like unicef swab actually hits every single blue filter with a positive and so if they were using it they would download every single junk and now unicef swap is storing the entire index which to me is fair because swap is benefiting the most Having their smart contracts so they kind of as a result just downloading this index am wanting to get their own data. They help the whole community. By pinning this thing themselves the whole thing is about seventy gigabytes big. Find that very interesting too because then as a business. Like if you're trying to prove a business case you can say. Look at my blockchain saturation on all of the blocks. Maybe yeah that's cheap for for success like people. People are using me all the blocks baby. Sorry i'm you know. I am a marketer in me somewhere. He pops out but like i never thought about that Yeah no it's true. It's likely it's directly related. If you keep thinking about it you got my email. Tj damn so one. I think is very sexy because that kind of answered my question because the way you started talking about you. I like what just implies i have to have a eighty thousand terabyte hard drive eventually. Because i'm gonna have to keep memory of all these times that i've searched the blockchain But using leveraging ibf s. which is. I'm pretty sure in this amid interplanetary file system for all right cool sometimes. You're wrong to actually store these things. So that's that's pretty slick. You're you're storing a little more than you need but not everything when you think about running a blockchain owed duty to do all of it right as a goal is to build software that allows you to get only the information you need in a privacy preserving way which means that you things like bloomfield. Thor's which gives you a little more than what you actually need that process of like retrieving and getting a little more than you actually need. You end up like helping. Serve the entire community because that's to me is one of the benefits of these. Decentralized networks is we it it gets better the more people use it to network affect basic. So yes so. That's that's what. I'm building i'm trying to trying to so that's kind of the infrastructure part that i'm building 'cause i kind of need that to build my application than i'm building on top of that i'm building applications. Where actually see this data now. I wonder if i can imagine building. A dow dow dashboard or something. Like that or you know personal dashboard or something along those lines and and we get because we see every single transaction we actually get enough insulation to balance these accounts down to the eighteenth decimal place. And that's the other thing that we've been able to do. I think because we're not dealing with this giant data situation right. We're very very focused on a single cow. Every time that my accounting doesn't ballots. I fix a bug in my code and over time in we fixed all the bugs are accounts ballots. Now now we might run into your account. And you're doing some kind of crazy defy things than we won't balance but then we would develop baton fix that problem so i really wanted to get to the point. Where because of the all the way back to the beginning. But i get into the dow situation. I wanna see what it's like to actually have people that have direct access to their own data and they do fully understand what's happening on the chain understand what other people were doing understand what they're doing. 'cause i wanna live in a world where our software helps us work together without fear of not knowing what's happening if we know what's happening on the software. Were more likely to participate in the software. I think it's the you hit the nail on the head The word is fear right. And that's how things get centralized exactly. it's fear of. I have a anecdotal story. But i'm helping someone out. Someone moved a large amount of their crypto holdings onto hardware wall and then gave them instructions as to what not to do and then he flirted with the what not to do. And then when i went in and i scan the address and i saw all zeros i was like okay. So why didn't you listen. And his face loss of blood. I almost earned why. Which is hard to do if you're washington dc. Why i was like. What did you do so i went over to. I had to go fix everything. And i was like okay so remember what. I told you exactly what to do and what not to do that this time. Now what i've actually created is a central point of failure in myself. You're right you're right in so It's just hard in. So i guess what i'd ask like. What would you feel are 'cause i feel like you move in such a platform of confidence like you said because it's like i'll just go to. You know if you listened or not. I don't care i'm gonna go take guy no solid what would you say are the i. Guess the keystones of how to educate users in in how to in how it should be behaving when it comes to a blockchain tech right toss deep question a really really tough know i go back to the guys are the men and women who built it quite i go back to them. And then they just plugged along and they built a piece of software that work at work and it it laid stuff on people's doorstep and just said this is what it is. This is how it works. And you're going to have to figure out how to deal with this with this new piece of software in the world. Because you know we're just gonna engineer sting the way it needs to be engineered so that it works the way that it should work and the people that need to keep up and be educated in some way you kind of have to build a system. That doesn't even allow them to not be They can interact with the system without being educated because the system doesn't work in a way that is detrimental that that's kind of web bitcoin did is. They admitted that there's going to be bad people in the world and the system they built is going to work anyway in the face of these people that are evil doer something so i do think most grade systems work that way like it's dislike never-ending flirtation between like centralized and decentralized but for example if i want to be a company right now and go work on bridges i have that right but i gotta pass a whole lot of tests and have a whole mountain knowledge before i can just go work on a bridge in. It's kinda like we're just kind of repeating that cycle which manila part to the interview. We never even flirted with why blockchain's turning into the internet and we're all fearing for our lives soon back on prognostication man. I really again co for parts. You like that's one thing. I really wanted to talk about because i've talked this for years now. Of course bright zyrtec. He's fun because we talked about this before we we've had a few people on the had an inclination towards what the internet was like in the early days and move towards a centralized service. What are we have you back on to talk about that. And how with blockchain is currently doing is following that mold above two. It's all a hardware by the way so let's go ahead and wrap this because we have to not because we want you with some of our trademark questions. Jesse allergy go. I all right. Tj is what you do actually difficult for me now dang okay this man news off no. I'm kidding the reason. I say that is because i'm so obsessive that i can't stop. I need some of that. Confidence in my doing is very hard. Alex so of you listeners. Think it's not gold. Listen to the interview again and then much all right then what i will ask. You is in ten words or less. Can you describe. Should i go with Blockchain choice Can you describe a theory. Ethereal the best data's ever existed in the world history the best day ever existed in history of the world. I like i like it. We ask that question. Immediate responses can by due to brutal. Tj thank you very much for coming on the show. I had had a inkling. This would be a very good interview when i saw. It was like a bit like three in the morning. I saw those either tweet that you were in or medium posts that you did. But i saw a tweet. That had a youtube clip. Yeah tweet that. Youtube clip true blocks. And then i sent that to alicia and i was like we need to get this guy on the show and like like box. Let's do so all right. Well thank you very much for jt. He did oh know. What's in their own thing. Okay thank you. Very much. of Hoping get a part two very soon enough before we get into our normal cadence of things we can put you back on and yes. I am a great pleasure. I'm really glad to see you guys get get to know you a little bit and corey. Thank you as always everything. You're you're great you hear me. There's people that here in doing the right thing in my opinion so paul try and boost you up as best. We can appreciate it. Thanks for your time. I really enjoyed that interview. I really thoroughly enjoy line. Interview will want. I've offered him to come back almost immediately for the part two of the interview But i like people that are logically consistent at least on the outside mean. They say. I don't like that because of this and when that situation actually comes they behave exactly as you said logically. Logically consistent was put on logic logically logically consistent. I appreciate i appreciate that. He's a man he says like. Hey people's data should be their own. The blockchain should serve the people and not just layers services on top of it. That guard people from the blockchain which is almost individuality. But that's gonna be for another show in You know. I appreciate the conviction of him. Taking the time in waiting for the the that the industry the technology itself to develop a point where he can leverage it to give some of that power back to these for forever. I've known i've i guess if you don't have for a long time and each he's been trying to do this in working on software to get it done because it is incredibly hard for a while. It's that the it's all so that's something that i was trying to get to the interview when he got to. Before i could get you but like when you have never ever expanding chain of memory the only way to make that make sense sufficiently over time is instead of having that ever expanding chain belong to everyone you've gotta be able to chunk it up and record of how you organize it right that's it. He's like building a library for lack of a better term of chunks of how he's organized the blockchain in each. Let's just call it. He changed the way. It's chunked up. And when you think about a blockchain it's chunked up in terms of blocks a whatever transactions that happen given period of time get transformed the data and and that's a beautiful but like if i want to ask the blockchain question that isn't in line with how it data it becomes really inefficient right. If i'm not asking it what happened in this block. Then it's like hold up is going to. It's going to be a second before. Can i ask answer this question saying to go through all the history of of whatever it is to make sure that your question correctly so if you ask a note we'll talk about for now you ask a theorem note. Hey what are all the transactions of this account. It's like well. Here's the transactions of this given account in the last block or the last a hundred blocks before that. You're gonna have wait a while. Because i don't know i i don't know him. They don't have that information. It's not there so the waker big don't have to keep those things. The he changed. It would be more accurate to say not. He changed the data. He changed the accessibility. And he may decentralisation more efficient he made it he made it easier to ask the question that most end users going to ask right most of the people who want to ask the blockchain for information give a shit about themselves or like it's account based right so like what does what did this account do. What was the amount that this account held at this point as opposed to what happened at this block and those two questions are drastically different technologically. Speaking they did and so what he's done is found a way to make that question. The question that most people want to ask more available for people who don't want to rely on third party services. Like i think what he's doing is is wonderful and should be just thrown money yet so this can be taken up. The this concept isn't unique to a theory anytime that you have. A data structure that's optimized for storing information in a specific way like a blockchain us. We have a block ever given amount of time. It does it. does it It's optimized for making sure that it can keep track of that information and if i'm coming onto the network is optimized for getting in sync as fast as possible so it can contribute to being at the head of that chain has is it s blocks right. That's the whole goal of a node in blockchain turns out that's really shitty for asking like different kinds of questions that aren't optimized for that one thing and so what he's trying to do i think is usable across the industry in terms of how do we optimize. How do we find ways to make sure the types of questions actual users are asking is optimized with with projects like a tj's inevitable that one day he's gonna find a mountain of money in order to make it better and even more user friendly and in that amount of money he's probably gonna have outlined a job openings that he will need to have filled. And so if you join our slack. There's a good opportunity that we could help you find enclose that job opening our resented. The should be short sheelah working in a job. That sucks balls. Does your job suck and air go your life. Do you want to change that. Because your life is sucking join the tb piece lack. Get a better job. By the way we have a new commercial coming up. Yeah that's gonna be pretty funny by alicia. I have secured the asset. After i had the asset secured with my girlfriends jailed. Eight mile cheetos. So really was. It was one of those moments i was like. Oh cool home. Aca cheetos not the big one. It was like a gas station size fish size bags of flaming hot cheetos. A me so anyways alec over at cowdrey as he's like just much down on some cheetos and i was like damn you love she. You brought cheetos here like no. Those are those that were in that bag and i was like it's nat bag overall expert. She's talking about the gestation bag that on my kitchen and i was like those were prop those for my eating in zero like typical grover as he goes well. You didn't need him anyways so to me. I squat fun but anyways so anyways we got other Another commercial is going to be good turns out chitose because zero super duper duper log. Show a boat. I wanted to say was there's two things Really just one hour the one and it has to do with the logical consistency that of a warren buffett who hates bitcoin early says he hates bitcoin. But he's sticking to his guns right. He says he hates bitcoin. So he During this like come on come on near a so on the eve of wells fargo saying they are now going to offer crypto funds to their wealthiest clients. Because you know why would they give it to anyone else. Only people that are that have money need more money. So they're gonna go to their wealthiest clients. Warren buffett immediately after removed all of his shares of wells fargo. He sold them all liquidating all hanging thirty four point six million dollars of wells fargo shares. He said you know what roles fargo. I don't play that. Bitcoin shit best. That's got to give him that. He said not here here not today not playing at bitcoin with you. Wells fargo so. After thirty six years thirty seven years He removed his His holdings of wells fargo. He will for this. Particular instance. Good fuck wells fargo. They're terrible company. They're they're just rot with fraught. Brody say that like you got into a fight with them and they are you. Ranson users terrible organization. Yeah they've done some pretty bad also kudos to him for sotoudeh. Does this guy cesar on but like good friend sticking to his guns so were we I mean that's all. I really wanted to bring up as far as banks go I really don't have any more talking points today. Guys unless you guys want to talk about something particularly in christo we have a. We have like a few people watching docking. Y'all can say a comment and we will try and talk about it. Not that far is by sudha that is trash. We also have now. It's not portugeuse portuguese alicia. We have another comment from the audience here. Great interview it was. It was a great interview. We post the whole interview. Wait i think. I said dream venue. Why it's the patrons only for now but it'll be out soon linoleum died. Did you like that interview. so much. one i love it when i can follow on with these super technical conversation. So that's always fun for me. I kinda could could keep up with the dude which like gives me confidence about what the hell's going on this craziest industry too. I like that. He's a he's a poet's from computer software developer to teaching poetry in highschool to back to software development and just like someone who moves with the conviction of i. Don't give a fuck with anyone has to say i'm gonna do this because at the end of the day if You can get mad. I'm gonna go do whatever i want. You know like. He's i just like that. In my opinion. I think what you just said. There is a good portion of white care about this stuff. Is that at the end of the day. How you feel mix zero impact on me like like on a worldwide view like the game is set up in such a way where i don't have to give a shit about anyone else took me well and because you're ability to impact me is very low right so like the games of bitcoin is set up in such a way where it's fair relatively fair. It's wayfair than anything else. In terms of monetary distribution and everyone understands how it works and and like no one can censor me so like you not liking. What i have to say doesn't have an impact on me. I like that. That's that's something. I'm really really into. And that's a good portion of like the concept of blockchain if you look at like most of the idealists who started this this movement in early bitcoin earlier theorem. It's how do we find a way to distribute power in such a way where a few small people can't influence the masses without them. Having any say about it and that's the big part about a lot of stuff. I want to drive at home like if that's not the case did it isn't blockchain fucking database. What i'd like to talk about in the next round table is what you were talking about in the avalanche channel. Which is this concept of permission. 'less and i'd like to explore that a little bit deeper and talk about what it means for a patent. It's technology does that mean that they don't have confidence in their ability to build a community. That will stay because people can just fork or not forked but they could just basically clone the network it speaks volumes to come to the direction that is going opposite. Your what you believe in gory. I would love to have a long conversation about that. Because it's it's incredibly nuanced. And i'm not gonna say the right answer because it's just it's so tangled with human greed and the way things get done of the world that there are ways in which getting a patent is actually good but like the process of doing it automatically has implications. That are what. I would consider like anathema to the concept of blockchain. So all you have to do is i would menu. You would ask yourself who would. Tj do question. i don't know what to do. it's not it's not in the have missed that word up quiet that in public and people were like yeah. I don't that means wokers. Nobody's nobody's dropping an anthem. Ah in everyday conversation. So when i drop in a theme of very wrong. Everyone's like fema with. I like it when people like like. Yeah i know what that word means context. Perfect nailed it up it out. Just you know what. I just noticed that. They're doing this for like a year and a half now with us that you don't talk much these roundtables. Are you like researching. Are you studying while we should while. I sometimes sometimes looking other random stuff up but no. I'm just digesting. You guys like you can't think about things if you're actively thinking about what to say if you're talking all the time you gotta learn just talk. Yeah no but i'd like to you know really digest what you don't have a good enough opinion. No absolutely not. Because i will talk when when i have a decent argument or something that i think is relevant to add. I appreciate that. You ingest all this just sitting in adjusting you watched the majority of shows that is part of. He's just sitting in like thinking about what we're saying. No i mean. I've had enough of talking with what letter just the header longtime ago. Holy shit that's slow to two years. I ran that for almost two years and got to the point where we were both just like. I don't wanna do this anymore. Headline i really these headlines lower reading those like the what the headers. So for those. Who don't know d. And jesse used to run a show on the network called. What the headers. Where every week they would go through a lot of like leading headlines across a few different media sources and talk about them and then give commentary basically headline and It drained the life out of them about two weeks but they kept doing it for two years. So that's we are jesse and down stick node saddam's you know just got power through. You don't like that that to me and i'm like fuck that how that was my response. D told me about the headline show. What what the headers did have a great intro and altro shout to me for producing that shit baby off the. Let's let's talk about. Tim said so. Tim was adding on to what we were talking about earlier. Permission list the patents. They're cutting their asses in hiding the simple inside the complex. I think we should say this for the next eps a like to go. I would like to go. Like i would like to have a long conversation about this concept. Because i think it's it's not fair to tell like give it a single perspective to walk away. There's there's too much involved with like what this movement means and how patents inter interacted. I love. I've felt dude the same way as you've got the gift for that at least all play like The same way which. I watch all of the matrix every year because on that guy because why not is. I'd now like the last three years. I watch all lord of the rings once every year. now no they're not have. You was the last time you watched them do so. What are my buddies wrote down. And detailed every say they'll whack whack. That gandalf did right. Why would he do that. That's the first question why didn't do us more often. What if we what quake he's just like. Hey you're you're you can't use it anymore. Oh yeah episode or whatever and never use it again. What do some of your your sponsor dumb shit very true time. I've always wondered that too like if you could make all their sorts. They can't grab them. Why not just do that one time off. But it was like you know. He's i only got so much. Wizard juice in the stick. Baby got you shall not has your got all kinds of magic and you just like nah not gonna use almost smokes dope in the hang out and watch these. It's run around. Yes right 'cause like now lately. When i watched it. I'm like you know for wizard. He's not really taking advantage of his power here. 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How to build an antiracist world | Ibram X. Kendi

TED Talks Daily

51:47 min | 1 year ago

How to build an antiracist world | Ibram X. Kendi

"You're listening to Ted Talks daily I'm elise. You're probably hearing a lot these days about what it means to be anti racist today we have Abram ex. Kennedy the author and historian behind the best selling book how to be an anti-racist. He spoke with Ted curator's Whitney Pennington Rogers and Chloe Shasha about that big idea how to recognize and challenge our own internalized racist notions, so we can do the work to be antiracist in our daily lives. Neutrality is not enough and this. Ted Twenty twenty talk gets it why? So welcome Ebrahim and thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, Chloe, Anything Whitney and thank you everyone. For joining this this conversation so a few weeks ago on on the same day, we learned about the brutal murder of George floored. We also learned that a white woman in Central Park. Who chose not to leash dog and was told by a black man nearby that she needed to to to leash your dog. Instead decided to threaten this blackmail, instead decided to call the police, and claimed at her life was being threatened, and of course when we learned about that through video, many Americans were outraged and this woman and Amy Cooper ended up going on national TV, and saying like countless other Americans have said right after being gauged in a racist act I am not racist, and I say countless Americans, because when you really think about the history of Americans expressing racist ideas supporting racist policies. You're really talking about a history of people who have claimed they're not racist. Because everyone claims that they're not racist whether we're talking about the Amy Cooper's of the world whether we're talking about Donald trump who right after he said that majority Black Baltimore's a rat in Rhode infested mask. No human being would want to live in and he was challenged is being racist. Racist, he said actually I'm the least racist person anywhere in the world insole. Really the heartbeat of racism itself has has always been denial and and the sound that heartbeat has always been. I'm not racist, and so what I'm trying to do with my work is to really get. Americans to eliminate the concept of not racist from their vocabulary and really is were either. Either being racist or anti racist were either expressing ideas suggest certain racial groups are better or worse than others, superior or inferior than others were either being racist or being anti-racist were expressing expressing notions that the racial groups are equals despite any coach ethnic differences were either supporting policies that are leading to racial inequities and injustice like we saw Louisville where Brianna. Brianna Taylor was murdered or were supporting policies in pushing policies that are leading to justice in inequity for all in, so I think we should be very clear about whether. We're expressing racist ideas about whether we're expressing supporting racist policies and admit when we are because to be antiracist is to admit when we express a racist idea is to say you know what. When I was doing that in Central Park I was indeed being racist, but I'm going to change. I'm going to strive to be antiracist into be racist is to constantly deny the racial inequities that pervade American society to constantly deny the racist ideas that pervade American minds, and so I want to build a just equitable society and the only way we're going to even begin that process is if we admit our racism and start building an anti-racist, world. Thank you. Thank you so much for that. You know your your book had an anti-racist become a bestseller in light of what's been happening, and and you've been speaking a bit to the ways in which anti racism and racist and are the only two polar opposite ways to a hold of you on racism I'm curious if you could talk a little bit more about what the basic tenets of anti-racism are for people who aren't as familiar with it in terms of how they can be antiracist. Sure and so I mentioned in Mytalk that the heartbeat of of. Racism is denial and really the heartbeat of. Is Confession. Is the recognition that to grow up in this society is to literally at some point in our lives, probably internalize ideas that are racist ideas that suggest certain racial groups are are better or worse than others, and because we believe in racial hierarchy, because Americans have been systematically taught that black people are more dangerous within the black people more criminal like win. We live in a society where black people are forty percent of the the national incarcerated population. That's GonNa seem normal to people when we live in a society in a city like Minneapolis where black. Black people are twenty percent of the population, but more than sixty percent of the people being subjected to police shootings. It's GonNa. See Normal, and so to be. Anti racist is to believe that there's nothing wrong earned fear about black people any other racial group. There's nothing dangerous about black people or any other racial grew, and so when we see these racial disparities all around us, we see them as abnormal, and then we start to figure out what policies are behind so many black people being killed by police. What policies are behind so many Latinos? Disproportionately infected with covid. How can I be a part of the struggle to up end those policies and replace them with more anti-racist policies? And, so it sounds like you you to make that distinction between. Not Racist and anti-racist and I guess. Could you talk a little bit more about that? In break that down? How what is the difference between the two? Most simplest way. A not racist is a racist who is in denial. and An anti-racist is someone who is willing to admit the times in which they're being racist, and who is willing to recognize the inequities in the problems of racial problems of our society, and who is willing to challenge those racial inequities by challenging policy, and so I'm saying this, because literally slaveholders, slave traders imagine that their ideas in our terms were not racist, they would say things like black people of the curves, descendants of Ham, and they're cursed forever into enslavement. This isn't I'm not racist. This is God's law. They would say things like. Based on science based on acknowledgee based on natural history, black people by nature are predisposed to slavery in civility. This is nature's law. I'm not racist I'm actually doing what nature said I'm supposed to be doing and so this this contract being not racist in denying ones, racism goals all the way back to the origins of this country. And why do you think it has been so hard for some people now to still accept that neutrality is not enough when it comes to racism. Because it takes a lot of work to be antiracist, it takes. You have to be very vulnerable, right? You have to be willing to admit that you were wrong. You have to be willing to admit that you that. If you have more of your white for instance, and and you have more, it may not be because you are more. You have to admit that you've worked hard potentially in your life, but you also has certain advantages which provided you with with opportunities that other people did not have you have to admit those things, and it's very difficult for people to be publicly N, even privately self-critical. Also the case of I should probably lead with this. However, people define resurfaced until people tended to find racists as like a fixed category as an identity, this is essential to who a person is it if someone becomes a racist in an and so therefore, and then they also connect a racist with a bad evil person. They connect a racist with a Ku Klux Klansmen, or woman they they're like. I'm not in the Ku Klux. Klan I'm not a bad person. And I've done good things in my life I've done good things to people of color until therefore, I. I can't be racist I'm not that that's not my identity, but that's not how we should be. Defining Racist Racist is a descriptive term. It describes what a person is saying or doing in any given moment, and so when a person in one moment is expressing a racist idea in that moment. They're being racist when they're saying. Black people are lazy in the very next moment there appreciating the cultures of native native people. They being anti-racist. and. We're going to get to some questions from our community in a moment but I think when a lot of people here this this idea that you're putting forward this idea of anti racism. There's this feeling that this is something. That only concerns the white community. And so could you speak a little bit to how black the black community and non? Non White. Other ethnic minorities can participate in. Think about this idea of anti-racism. Sure is so if White Americans commonly say I'm not racist. People of color commonly say I can't be racist because a person color. And then some have the some people of color say they can't be racist because they have no power. And and so first and foremost. What I've tried to do in my work is to push back against this idea that people of color have no power goes nothing more disempowering to say or to think as a person of color been to say, you have no power. People of Color had long utilized the most basic power that every human being has, and that's the power to resist. Policy, and that's the power to resist racist policies. That's the power to resist the racist society, but if you're a person of color. In you believe that. People coming here from Honduras and Salvador are invading this country. You believe that these Latino. Immigrants are animals in rapists. You're certainly not if you're black or Asian. Native going to be a part of the struggle. To defend letting immigrants to recognize that Latino immigrants with have much to give. To this country as any other group of people, you're going to view these people as taken away your jobs, and so therefore you're going to support racist rhetoric support racist policies in even though. That is probably going to be harming. You in other words is going to be harming. If you're black immigrants coming from Haiti in Nigeria. If you're Asian immigrants coming from from from from India and so I think it's critically important for even people of Color to realize they have the power to resist. In if when when people of Color View other people of color the problem. They're not going to racism as the problem in anyone who is not viewing racism is the problem is is is not being anti-racist. Touched on this bit in your in your beginning. Talk here at found, but you know you've talked about how. Racism is the reason that black communities and communities of color are systemically disadvantage in America, which has led to so many more deaths from cody nineteen, this communities and yet the media's often placing the blame on people of Color for their ability to vulnerability to illness, so I'm curious in in in mind with that. What is the relationship between anti-racism and the potential for systemic change? I think it's a big. It's a direct relationship because when you are. When you believe in have consumed racist ideas. You're not gonNA even believe changes necessary. Because you're going to believe that racial inequality normal, or you're not gonNA believe changes possible in other words. You're going to believe that the reason why black people are being killed by police at at such high rates, or or the reason why that the people are being infected, such high rates is because there's something wrong with them, and nothing can be changed. And and so you wouldn't even begin to even see the need for systemic. Structural chained, let alone be a part of the struggle. For systemic structural change and so to be antiracist, again is to recognize that there's only two causes of racial inequity either there's something wrong with people. Or there's something while with powered policy, and if you realize that there's nothing wrong with any group of people and I I keep mentioning groups. And you know I'm not saying individuals there, certainly black individuals who didn't take corona virus seriously, which is one of the reasons why they were infected, but there are white people who didn't take coronavirus series. There's no one is ever proven. Actually. Studies have shown that black people were more likely to take the coronavirus seriously than than than white people. We're not talking about individuals here. We certainly should not be. Be individualizing groups. We certainly should not be looking at the individual behavior of one Latinas personal one black person in saying that representatives of the group that's a racist idea ended up itself, and so I'm talking about groups, and and few believed the groups are equals the only other alternative, the only other explanation to persisting inequity and injustice is power and policy and took to then spend your time. Transforming in challenging power and policy is to spend your time being anti-racist. So, we have some questions that are are coming in from the audience. The first one here is. From community member that S When we talk about white privilege, we talk also about the privilege not to have difficult conversations. Do you feel that starting to change? I hope so and and because I think. that. White White Americans to. Need simultaneously recognize their privileges the privileges that they have accrued as a result of their whiteness. And in the only way in which they're going to be able to do that is by initiating and having these conversations, but then they should recognize that that. Yes, they have more weight. Americans have more due to racist policy, but the question I think white Americans should be having particularly when they're having these conversations among themselves is. Would we have a more Equa if we had a more equitable society? Would, we have more because I'm asking. Is that you know? White Americans have more because of racism. But, there are other groups of people in other Western democracies who have more than White Americans, and then you start to ask the question. Why is it that people in other countries have have free healthcare? Why is it that they have paid family leave? Why is it the day of a massive safety net? Why is it that we do not and the answer to one of the major answers to why we do not hear, have is racism one of the major answers as to why Donald Trump is president of the united. States is racism, and so we're not really to be. I'm not really asking Americans to be altruistic in order to be antiracist. We're really asking people to have intelligent self interest, those four million I should say five million poor whites in eighteen sixty, whose poverty was the direct result of the riches of? Of A few thousand white slaveholding families in order to to challenge slavery weren't saying you know we need to be you to be altruistic. No, we actually need you to do. What in your best in yourself interest, those tens of millions of Americans Americans who've lost their jobs as a result of this pandemic. We're not has in him to to be altruistic. We're asking them to realize that. If we had a different type of government with a different set of priorities, then then they would be much better off right now. I'm sorry, you know. Don't get me started. No we're. We're grateful team. Thank you. And in line with that. Obviously these these protests in this movement have like some progress off confederate monuments. Been Minneapolis City Council putting dismantle the Police Department Cetera. But what do you view as the greatest priority on a policy level is fight for justice continues I mean are there in ways we could learn from other countries. I don't actually. Think necessarily. Those a singular SORTA policy. Priority I mean if if if someone was to force me to answer, I would probably say, too. And that is high quality free healthcare for all. And until when I say high quality, I'm not just talking about. Medicaid Medicare for all I'm talking about a simultaneous scenario which in rule. Southwest Georgia where the people are predominantly black. And had some of the highest death rates in the country, those counties in southwest Georgia from Kobe that they would have access to healthcare as high quality as people do in in Atlanta in New York City. And and then simultaneously that that access that that healthcare would be free. So many Americans not only of course are dying this year of Kobe, but also heart, disease and cancer, which are the number one killer before Cova of Americans in their disproportionately. Black and so I would say that in an secondarily I would say reparations. and. Many Americans crane. that. They believe in racial equality. They want to bring about racial equality. Many Americans recognize just how critical. Economic Livelihood. Is for every person in this country in this economic system. But then many Americans reject or not supportive of reparations, and so we have a situation in which white Americans are last check than median wealth is ten times the median wealth of black Americans in according to a recent study. By twenty fifty three. White between now I should say in two thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, three white median wealth is projected to grow, and this was before the current recession, but in NV and black median wealth. is expected to redline zero dollars in that based on this current recession. That may be pushed up a decade. And, until we not only have a racial wealth gap, but we have a racial wealth gap that's growing. And so for those Americans who claim they are committed to racial equality, who also recognized the importance of economic lives in the end, who also know that wealth is inherited? in the majority of wealth is inherited, and when you think of the inheritance, you're thinking of past in the past policies that the many Americans considered to be racist. It's slavery or even redlining. How would we even begin to close this growing racial wealth gap without a massive program like reparations? Woke sort of connected to this idea of thinking about wealth disparity in wealth inequality in this country. We have a question problem committee member Dan Dana. Pearls she has. How do you suggest liberal organizations effectively address problems of racism within the work environment, particularly environments where people remained silent in the face of racism or make token statements without looking internally. Sure into our. I would make a few suggestions one. For several decades now every work place. has publicly pledged a commitment to diversity. Typically they have diversity statements. I would basically rip those diversity statements and write a new statement in that's a statement committed to antiracism, and in that statement you would clearly define what a racist idea is. What an anti-racist ideas would a racist policies and anti-racist policies, and you would state as a workplace that you're committed. To Having a culture of anti-racist ideas and having a culture having an institution made up of anti-racist racist policies, and so then everybody can measure everyone's ideas, and the policies of that workplace based on that document in and I think that that could begin the process of of transformation I also think it's critically important. For for workplaces to to not only. SORTA diversify their staff, but diversify their upper. Administration. And I think that's absolutely critical as well. Sonora questions coming in from the audience we had one. From. Melissa Mahoney WHO's asking. Donald Trump seems to be making supporting black lives matter. It's a partisan issue for example making fun of Mitt. Romney for participating in a peaceful protests. Have we uncouple this to make it nonpartisan? I mean I think that to save the lives of black people. is a democratic declaration. Is Simultaneously Stating that Republicans do not value black lives. And so I mean because if that's essentially what Donald Trump is saying if if he stating that is a problem. With marching for black lives. Then? What is the solution? The solution is not marching those the the alternative. The alternative is not marching for black lives. The other alternative is not caring when black people dire police violence or Kobe. And an insult to me. If if the way in which we make this a nonpartisan issue is to strike back or argue back in that way and obviously Republicans. In our claim, they're not saying that, but it's a very simple thing. Either you believed black lives, matter or you don't, and if you believe black lives, matter because you believe in human rights, and you believe in the human rights for black people all people to live. And to to to not have to fear police violence, and not have to fear the state, and not have to fear that a peaceful process is going to be broken up because some politician wants to get a campaign up then then you're going to institute policy that that shows it or you're not. To ask a question that a just about how people can think about anti-racism, and how they can actually bring this into their into their lives, I imagine that a lot of folks here this and they're like. Oh, I have to I have to be really thoughtful about how my actions and my words are perceived. What is the perceived intention behind what it is what I'm saying? And that that may feel exhausting, and I think that connects into this idea of policy, and so I'm curious, you know there isn't a huge element of thoughtfulness that comes along with this work of being anti-racists and. What is your reaction in response to those who feel concerned about the the mental exhaustion from having to constantly think about how your actions may hurt or harm others. I think part of the concern that people have about. Extraction. Is this idea. That they don't ever WanNa, make a mistake. and. I think I think to be antiracist is is to make mistakes in his to recognize when we make a mistake to for us, it's what's critical. is to have those very clear definition so that we can assess. Our words we can assess our deeds, and when we make a mistake, we own up to it and say you know what that was a racist idea. You know what that was supporting a racist policy, but To change the other thing I think is important for us to to realize. is in many ways. We are dictated when I say we individuals and certainly in this country. Is. Is is addicted to racism. In and that's one of the reasons why. For so many people they're just in denial. People are usually denied their addictions. And, but then once we realized that we have this addiction. Everyone who has been addicted. You know you talk to friends and family members who who are overcoming addiction to substance abuse. They're not going to say that they're just healed. That they don't have to think about this regularly. You know someone who is overcoming alcoholism is going to say you know what this day by day process. And I take it day. By Day and moment by moment and and I'm actually. It's difficult. To. Restrain myself. From reverting back to what I'm addicted to same time, it's liberating. It's free. Because I'm no longer having to wallow in that addiction, and so I think and I'm no longer having a hurt people due to my addiction, I think that's critical. We. We spent so much time thinking about how we feel. And less time thinking about how our actions and ideas make others feel and I think that's one thing that George Floyd video force Americans to do was to really see any here especially, how someone feels as a result of racism? We have another question from the audience. Swimmers asking about. Can you speak to the intersection analogy between the work of anti-racism Feminism and gay rights? How does the work of anti-racism relate in effect work for these other human rights issues? Sure! When I I define a racist idea. As any, idea. That suggest racial group is superior or inferior to another racial in any way. And I use the term racial group. As opposed to race. Because every race is a collection of racial, is intersectional groups, and so you have black women and black men, and you have black heterosexuals in black are queer people just as you have Latino women and white women, and and an Asian men, and what's critical for us to understand is there. There hasn't just been racist ideas that have targeted. Let's say black people. Is Been Racist ideas that had been developed in targeted black women that are targeted black lesbians that have targeted blacks transgender women. And oftentimes these racist ideas targeting these intersectional groups are intersecting with other forms of bigotry that is also targeting these groups to give an example about black women. One of the oldest racist ideas about black women. Was this idea that they're inferior women or that? They're not even women at all. And in that they're inferior to white women who are the pinnacle of womanhood. And that idea has intersected with this with this sexist idea. This suggests that women are weak more week. A person is a woman is the more woman she is, and the more the stronger. A woman is masculine. She is these these two ideas have intersected. To constantly SORTA degrade black women as these as this idea of the strong black masculine woman. Who is inferior to the week? White woman. Until the only way to really understand these contracts about a week Super Feminine White. Woman and a strong hyper masculine black women is to understand sexist ideas is to reject sectors, sexist ideas and I'll sabre quickly. The same goes for the intersection of racism and Homophobia in which Black Queer. People have been subjected to this idea that they are more hyper sexual, because there's this idea of queer people as being more hyper sexual than heterosexuals and so black, where people have been tagged as more hyper sexual than white, queer people and Black Heterosexuals, and if you can't really see that, understand that in reject that if you're not rejecting understanding and challenging homophobia to. You know to this point of challenging. We have another question from Miriam a Mo- heat in our community. Who Asks? How do you see canceled culture anti-racism interacting for example when someone did something obviously racist in the past and it comes to light. How did we respond to our? So I, think it's very very complex. I do. Obviously encourage people to transform themselves to change to admit those times in which they were being racists. And, and so obviously we as a community have to give people that ability to do that. We can't when someone admits that they were being racist. We can't immediately obviously canceled them. But but I also think. that. There are people who do something, so agree GIS. In there people who are so. Willing to recognize. How Agree Gis what they just did is so in a particular moment, so not just the horrible vicious act, but then on top of that the refusal to admit the horrible you know vicious at. You know in that case. I could see how people would literally want to cancel them. In and and I think that. We have to on the other hand. Have we have to have some sort of consequence, public consequence, cultural consequence for people acting Iran's racist manner, especially in extremely egregious way, and for many people. They decided. You know what I'm just GONNA cancel folks in I'm not going to necessarily critique them, but I do think we should try to figure out a way to discern. Those who are refusing to transform themselves in those who made a mistake in recognized it, and truly are committed to transforming themselves. Yeah I, mean you know one of the concerns? Many activists have been expressing. Is that the energy behind the black lives matter? Movement has to stay high for anti-racist changed. Truly take place I. think that applies to. You just said as well And I guess I'm curious what your opinion is on whether the protest start to wane and people's donation matching campaigns fade into the background. How can we ensure that this conversation about anti-racism? Stay Central? Sure so. In how to be in anti-racist in one of the final chapters, this chapter called failure. I talked about what I call feelings advocacy. In. Keeble feeling bad about what's happening. What happen to George Floyd or or what happened to Amount Aubrey? What happened? Brianna Taylor, day. It just feel bad about this country, and where this country is headed, and until the way they go about feeling better. is by coming to a demonstration. The way they go about feeling better is by donating to a particular organization. Though the way they go about feeling better is is reading a book, and and so if this is where what many Americans are doing. Then once they feel better in in other words, once the individual feels better through their participation in book clubs or Or demonstrations or or donation campaigns been nothing's going to change except what their own feelings until we need to move past our feelings, and and this isn't to say that people shouldn't feel bad, but we should use our feelings. Are Horrible. We feel about what is going on. To. Put into place. Put into practice. Sort of policies anti-racist power policy in other words. Our feelings should be driving us. They shouldn't be the end all. This should not be about making us feel better. This should be about transforming this country and we need to keep our eyes on transforming this country because if we don't. Then once people feel better after this is all over, then then we'll be back to the same situation of being horrified by another video, and then feeling bad and in the cycle will only continue. And you know I think when we think about what sort of changes we tended women, and how we could make the system better make our government's work better make our police. Better. Are there models and other countries you know obviously the history in the United States is really unique in terms of thinking about race and oppression, but when you look to other other nations and other cultures are there. Are there models that you look at as examples that we could potentially implement here? I mean there's so many You know their their countries in which police officers don't wear weapons. Their countries. Who have just who have more people than the United States? But but less prisoners. Their countries, who who tried to fight violent crime, not with more police in prisons, but with more jobs and more opportunities, because they know in see that the that the communities with the highest levels of of a violent crime tend to be communities with levels of poverty in long term unemployment I think that emitted obviously other countries provides pretty sizable social safety nets for people. Such that people are not committing crimes out of poverty. And so trust that people are not quitting crimes out of despair. And and so I think that it's critically important for us to first and foremost. Through okay, there's nothing wrong with the people. then. How can we go about reducing police violence? How can we go about reducing? How racial health inequities what policies can we change? Our policies have worked. These are the types of questions we we need to be asking because there's never really been anything wrong with the people. In your Atlantic piece called gets America you. What I am, a black male should not matter. Who I entered matter and I feel that's. Kind of what you're saying that in other places. Maybe that's more possible and curious when you imagine a country in which you mattered who you are managed I. What does that look like? Will would it looks like for me as a black? American can is that? People do not view me as dangerous and thereby make my existence dangerous. It allows me to to walk around this country, and to not believe that people are GonNa. Fear me because of the color of my skin. It allows me to believe you know what I didn't get that job. Because, I could have done better on my interview. Not Because of the color of my skin, it allows me to to a country where this racial equity or a country where this racial justice in our country with this shared opportunity our country, where African American culture and in native American culture and and the culture is of of of of Mexican Americans and Korean Americans. Americans are all valued equally that that no one's being asked to assimilate into American culture. There's no such thing as as standard professional where there is no such thing as will you need to learn how to speak English? In order to be an American and and you know we would truly not only have equity in injustice raw, but we would somehow have found a way. To appreciate difference to appreciate all of the human ethnic and cultural differences that exist in the United States. I mean this is what could make this country great. In, which we literally become a country. Where you could literally travel around this country, and learn about cultures from all over the world, and appreciate those cultures and understand even your own culture from the from from other people are doing i. mean you know there's so much beauty here amid all this pain and I just want to sort appeal away in and and remove away. You know all of those scabs. The racist policies so that people can heal, and so that we can see true beauty. And even when you think about this moment, where do you see that on the spectrum of progress towards reaching that attributing? I think for me, I I always see progress in resistance in demonstrations, and and no, just because people are calling from town squares, and and from city halls for progressive systemic change that changes here, but people are calling. And and people are calling in small towns and big cities and people are calling from places. We've heard of EM-. Places we need to have heard of you know people are calling for change and people are fed up I mean we're living. In a time which were facing of viral pandemic a racial endemic within that viral, endemic of people of color, disproportionately being infected in dying, even in economic pandemic with over forty million Americans have been lost. Having lost their jobs, and and certainly this pandemic of a police. And, then people demonstrating against police violence, only to suffer police violence at demonstrations I. Mean People See as a fundamental problem here? And is a problem that can be solved. This doesn't America that can be created, and people are calling for this. Amount is always the beginning. The beginning is what we're experiencing now. I think that this next audience question follows well from that, which is what gives you hope right now? So certainly resistance. To, racism has always given me hope and so even if let's say. Six months ago, we were not in a time which almost every night. You know all of this country people were demonstrating against racism, but I just look to history. When when people resisting and and so resistance always brings me hope because it is always resistance than that, and it's of course it's stormy, but but the rainbow is typically on the other side, but I'm also I also received hope. philosophically because I know that in order to bring about change, we have to believe in change is just no way. A change maker can be cynical. Isn't I mean it's it's impossible so I know I have to believe in change. In order to to to bring it about. We have another question here. Which addresses some of the things you talked about before in terms of the structural changes to bring about. You know from Mariam Mujica, in terms of putting into practice, the transformative policies is then the most important thing too loud vote, the right people into office at every level can make those structural changes happen. So I think that that is part of it are certainly think we should. We should. Vote into office, Keeble who from school boards to the President of the United States people committed. To instituting anti-racists policies that that lead to equity and justice. And I think that that's critically important. But I don't I don't think. That! We should we should think that that's the only thing we should be focused on the only thing that we should be doing. And, they are institutions. There are neighborhoods that need to be transformed. That aren't to a certain extent side of the purview of a policy maker in in a in a you know who's elected official. There are administrators in see os and presidents who have the power to transform policies within their spheres within their institutions, and and so we should be focused there. The last thing I'll say about voting is I wrote a series of pieces for the Atlantic earlier this year. That sought to get Americans thinking about who I called the other swing voter. and not the traditional swing voter swings from Republican to Democrat who are primarily older and white I'm talking about this. The people who swing from Democrat to not voting at all and these people are typically younger. And they'll typically people of color, but they're especially young people of color, especially young black in Latin Americans and so we should view these people, these young black and Latino voters were trying to decide whether to vote as swing voters in the way we view these people who are trying to decide between whether to vote for. Let's say trump or binding in the general election in other words to view them both swing voters is to view then both in a way that okay, we need to persuade these people. They're not political. Cattle were just gonNA. Turn them out. We need to encourage in persuade them. And then we also for these other swing voters me to make it easier for them to vote. And typically these young people of Color. It's the hardest for them to vote because of voter suppression policies. All we're GONNA come to close this interview, but I'd love to ask you to read something that you wrote a couple days ago on instagram. He wrote this beautiful caption on a photo of your daughter. and. I'm wondering if you'd be. With us in N. briefly, tell us how we can take this perspective into our own lives. Sure, so yeah posted a picture of mine. My my four year old daughter Imani. I wrote I love. In because I love, I resist. There have been many theories on what's fueling the growing demonstrations against racism in public and private. Let me offer another one love. We love. We know the lives of our loved ones especially are black loved ones are endangered under the violence of racism. People, ask me all the time or fuels me. It is the same. Love! Love of this little girl. Love of all the little and big people who want who I want to live full lives in the fullness of their humanity. Not Barred by racists policy. He's not degraded by racist ideas, not terrorized by racist violence. Let us be antiracist. Let us defend life. Let us defend our human rights to live in live fully because we love. And you know Korea just wanted to sort of emphasize that the heart of. A being anti-racist is is. Is is loving. One's country loving one's loving one's humanity loving once relatives and family and friends, and am certainly loving oneself, and in I, consider love to be a bird I consider love to be I'm helping another N. even myself to constantly grow into a better form. Of myself up themselves if they expressed who they want to be an insult to love this country into love, humanity is to push humanity constructively to be better form of itself, and there's no way we're going to be a better form. There's no way we can build a better humanity. While we still have on the shackles of racism. A! Soap, defy appreciate everything. You've shared either my fillet kits. made it really, this is not easy. Fix Right, this is there is no band-aid on option here. That will make this go away. This takes work from all of us and. I, really appreciate all of the honesty thoughtfulness that she brought to this today. Oh you welcome. Thank you so much for having this conversation with. Thank you so much even? Really grateful to joining us.

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