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"sharon salzberg" Discussed on The Astral Hustle with Cory Allen
"And all these things as something that happens you can happen moment to moment it can happen. You know once free ten years or there can be this moment. Word is attained and then sustained indefinitely. What is your viewpoint on What the translation say in how that shows up in real life. Well i mean it's so complicated. 'cause in different schools that seen differently you know and different approaches and also talking about finding language for that which can't be ever expressed language. You know so a little hard I mean we joke. Sometimes in toronto buddhism meths the the auden words like on dying created in a I think it's no sense. Both meetings That you described this certainly a moment to moment sense and that actually is mindfulness. A mind that is not overcome by greed hatred delusion and that doesn't mean greed hatred solution are not arising but not taking us over you know and and so this kind of Spaciousness and ability to be with even some very difficult states. That is a moment to moment reality. So what am i teachers. Man they miniature would say a moment of mindfulness as a moment of freedom Whatever we're looking at we're not adding we're not holding it in environment of greed hatred delusion So that is one meaning. There's also Beyond-point the undying. You know the the for lack of a better word is description of what they call the so hard. Because i was about to say superman State but it's not a state you know. Let's say super monday. Instate use language so The way i understand that is not even to to think about enlightenment but In the context of a life for the context practice there are some moments of realization of understanding that so profound that there's no turning back from them and that doesn't mean we live them perfectly all the time but we know them so deeply to be true that if we're ever confronted like two things change or not as love stronger than hate whatever it is you know we we know it so deeply that there's no chance will refute that are say will let me look again. It's like we know.
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on The Astral Hustle with Cory Allen
"It's actually not kind of an absolute value in Self it's about something you know. So if we're following the breath at the mostra are were following the breath the abdomen. Or if we're moving our attention through our body in an abbadi scam or where you know where walking meditation all of those techniques are cultivating certain qualities of mind from this equanimity. Calm you know those of some of the lists the five of the is in seven those and when you get there and you really appreciate it you understand. Oh such as one way to do that. You could actually cultivate those qualities. In a whole lot of ways and so that kind of sectarian grip you know and sense of like uses the only way that really dissolves. It becomes much better and then a lot of those qualities in those lists. We cultivate both informal meditation. Practice like patients and Equanimity again and we cultivate in life as well so the gets to be kind of seamlessness between our inner work and our outer manifestation and and you realize that's what it's about you know. The consequences of being generous is a kind of joy and its ability to let go and to relinquish and so practicing generosity externally whether it's material generosity your generosity of spirit thanking somebody. You're smiling at them. Something like that. It will produce the same kind of experience As we get when we're sitting in meditation and we have would be set by a whole range of thoughts and we can let them go. It's the same. Feeling of having tightly gripped fists that we didn't relax and we open. And you realize it's the same practice whether i'm doing it internally. Were the person in front of a crowd of people. yes absolutely. And that's some of the things about buddhism that never stops blowing. My mind is how like the as you said. Sort of as you understand and work with these individual practices and they sort of sort of a working together and then turning into something larger and more expensive and the thing of that. Is that like the practices. They are all interdependent right. So there's the talks interdependent nature of of being in an even the teachings themselves if you can drill down into them and they become interdependent on each other which always blows me away. I in one moment. I saw you talking about The way of the buddha course. And you're talking about how the tv's were kind of like fructose. And that's exactly what i was talking about. It's so wild that structure was able to exist without much clarity. So long ago yeah. It's kind of amazing..
Kryptonite for the Inner Critic With Kristin Neff
"Nice to sue they you for doing this. I've been wanting to talk to you for a while. Actually because i've actually writing a book about kindness right now and i wanna do a chapter about self compassion. So you are the you are the leading experts so before we get to sell compassion. Though i wanna. I wanna hear how you got interested in meditation in the first place right so It was my last year graduate school. I was finishing up my phd at berkeley and basically my life was a mess. I'd gotten out of a divorce. It was a very messy divorce. I was feeling a lot of shame. I'm and i was also feeling a lot of stress not so much about what i finish my phd. But more after seven years of my life. When i get a job the job market was really tight. And so i thought you know. Well i've heard that meditation is is good for stress in berkeley. So right down. The street from me was a meditation group. I was lucky every right down every street. Yeah in berkeley so that you know on every corner but luckily the one. I chose to go to The woman leaving the group it was actually a tick not han sanga reason. It's important is because some meditation teachers. Mindfulness bennett teachers wouldn't necessarily talk about self compassion tic time one thing that's unique about him. He's really emphasizes heart qualities of practice. Vietnamese zen master doesn't talk a lot about compassion. Full stop is but he does in particular right and so i started in his tradition And the very the very first night. I went the woman talked about having compassion for yourself the needed to actively cultivate compassion for yourself as well as others and so i was also learning mindfulness but because my life was such a mess because i was such a mess you know almost immediately i saw the difference it made when i turn myself with this kind of kind. Warm supportive attitude. I just saw my own experience really made a difference. So and then i started practicing more in the insight meditation tradition. I think because. I am a scientists it. It was a little more compatible with my Way of approaching things. But with people like jack cornfield the path with heart. Sharon salzberg loving kindness. So i was always i was always really drawn to the integration of you might say the spaciousness of mindfulness with the heart opening qualities of compassion and i was fortunate because it was their practice from the very beginning and that was about twenty years ago. Let me just jump in and define terms for people. Yes i i just never know. We have a lot of experienced meditators who listen for new folks who are coming every week in once you start to meditate. There are lots of ways to lots away within buddhism. There are. I would say at least two big skills. We're trying to teach. One is mindfulness which is put simply the ability not to be around by your emotions. The other is compassion. Or if you're if you're afraid as. I am of gooey words. You can just re translate that into friendliness. Just exactly cooler. Calmer nicer attitude toward external and internal phenomena can replace would cooler with warmer sure. I mean i know jimmy but fair enough so it sounds like you pivoted from the initial zen tradition into what's known as the insight tradition which is just another form of buddhist meditation. It's actually the school. I've trained in and right stumbled upon teachers like jack cornfield. Sharon salzberg both of whom have written a lot about yes. Mindfulness again just being able to be non-judgmental aware of stuff compassion which is adding in the notch just non-judgmental aware but having a certain element of warmth in the awareness and so so the mindfulness is aimed holding experience in a non judgmental manner so the compassion is aimed holding the experience in a friendly manner and so they have slightly different targets and so both need to be practiced that can actually almost appear to conflict. Sometimes because you accept your experience as it is including the fact that it's painful at the same time that you wishing yourself well and you want to help. And so it almost forms a bit of a paradox. Actually one of the scenes we like to say is we give ourselves compassion not to feel better but because we feel bad so you have to allow the experience to be as it is at the same time as toward the experience. Because you're friendly because you care you do what you can to help. So one paradox is since sara restate that and i'm also thinking that there may be yet. Another paradox probably won paradox. Is you in mindfulness meditation. We are not trying to control anything. We're just trying to see things as they are right. See clearly insight. The clear seeing of whatever's happening so that it doesn't own us right but in this case All when you add in the compassion layer you're trying to Notice that they're suffering there and you're not trying to alleviate it per se you're just sending warmth toward the suffering as it is trying to manipulate your experience because if you use compassion to try to make the pain go away. It's actually just another form of resistance so you have to fully accept the fact that this was painful this hurt. You know mess the mindfulness validating accepting the fact that this is really painful right now
Dan Harris On How To Keep Your Sanity Right Now
"Today's guest is one of my favorites, ABC News journalist author of ten percent happier and meditation for fidgety skeptics Dan Harris. He's got a great and very funny way of turning ancient wisdom into useful everyday tools for staying sane. Today. We talk about election sanity or lack thereof, and he shares some great trainable mental skills and practices that can give us a bit of a boost right now. I for one really need it. My favorite new phrase is hugging the Dragon. You'll know why when he describes it later in the show now here's Dan. Dan. It's so great to have you back on tangled today. Thanks for me. Yeah. In preparing for this interview, I was looking back at an interview. You did. Let's see Sharon Salzberg Joanna. And David Gillis from the New York Times it was in two thousand sixteen and it was so interesting because you we're talking about the election and how is one of the most difficult elections? Any of US had ever experienced and we're told unlike Sharon's advice was not to catastrophes and to stay in the present moment and as devastating as things are right now I had to laugh a little bit because. Things did get pretty catastrophic over these last four years and certainly feel that way now and I wanted to understand from you what are you feeling right now and what is your advice as a journalist and also a mindfulness expert what are you telling people right now to keep their sanity while there's so many things say about this in no particular order, there are a bunch of things that I would recommend. To keep your sanity I call them the Pantheon no brainers, and notwithstanding the fact that I'm a meditation evangelist. A meditation fundamentalist. So I don't think you can meditate all of your problems way. I think in terms of having a holistic approach to being sane and happy and flourishing there are some obvious moves including meditation but also getting enough sleep. Exercise or movement. Access to nature positive relationships in your life having social contact, which has been deeply undervalued nutrition. Work or just meaningful even if your day job isn't meaningful, having meaningful volunteer work having some purpose in your life. So those are just some obvious science backed recommendations. I would add on to other things for right now one is titrate your news consumption. And I say this as a new professional and somebody who believes that we need to be aged and informed citizens who vote and who do what we can to advance the policies that we care about but you don't want to get so sucked into your twitter feed that you're useless. And then the final thing I'd say is that I suspect we'll talk more about this but we've been over on my podcast ten percent happier we've been. Doing a special series of episodes about a specific kind of meditation that in my view could be really helpful right now, which is a kind of meditation that was not a fan of that. I heard about it seemed very, very syrupy but a set of practices known as the Brahma, the horrors or the divine abodes that are basically training up our capacity to be loving. So I, want you to talk a little. Bit More about that because I certainly think this and there are four particular skills that we cultivate with those practices and I want to understand how you are using the practices personally to manage your feelings and also you have to be on guard with the news every minute ensure you're getting instant messages and phone calls and it's nonstop. So that's an extreme situation compared to the rest of us who have to titrate. Or reading the paper. How do you implement these practices to feel more sane in your day? Will let me just say about news consumption. Yes. I am in the Biz but one thing that's been really helpful I just turned off all my notifications. So if there is something where the office needs to reach me, they'll call me or text me but beyond that I'm deciding when I'M TUNING And I'm not here to say that I'm somehow perfect in that I never compulsively check. Van Bored or lonely or hungry or tired than I can definitely fall into doom scrolling or whatever it is. So perfection is not on offer here, but we can yet marginally better through just being delivered about it and just setting some boundaries I think turning up notifications is huge. And then also just using your capacity for mindfulness self-awareness to see like how's it going on our number three on twitter? How do you feel and using that as a good feedback for whether you should continue or maybe do something else?
Dan Harris On How To Keep Your Sanity Right Now
"Today. We talk about election sanity or lack thereof, and he shares some great trainable mental skills and practices that can give us a bit of a boost right now. I for one really need it. My favorite new phrase is hugging the Dragon. You'll know why when he describes it later in the show now here's Dan. Dan. It's so great to have you back on tangled today. Thanks for me. Yeah. In preparing for this interview, I was looking back at an interview. You did. Let's see Sharon Salzberg Joanna. And David Gillis from the New York Times it was in two thousand sixteen and it was so interesting because you we're talking about the election and how is one of the most difficult elections? Any of US had ever experienced and we're told unlike Sharon's advice was not to catastrophes and to stay in the present moment and as devastating as things are right now I had to laugh a little bit because. Things did get pretty catastrophic over these last four years and certainly feel that way now and I wanted to understand from you what are you feeling right now and what is your advice as a journalist and also a mindfulness expert what are you telling people right now to keep their sanity while there's so many things say about this in no particular order, there are a bunch of things that I would recommend. To keep your sanity I call them the Pantheon no brainers, and notwithstanding the fact that I'm a meditation evangelist. A meditation fundamentalist. So I don't think you can meditate all of your problems way. I think in terms of having a holistic approach to being sane and happy and flourishing there are some obvious moves including meditation but also getting enough sleep. Exercise or movement. Access to nature positive relationships in your life having social contact, which has been deeply undervalued nutrition. Work or just meaningful even if your day job isn't meaningful, having meaningful volunteer work having some purpose in your life. So those are just some obvious science backed recommendations. I would add on to other things for right now one is titrate your news consumption. And I say this as a new professional and somebody who believes that we need to be aged and informed citizens who vote and who do what we can to advance the policies that we care about but you don't want to get so sucked into your twitter feed that you're useless. And then the final thing I'd say is that I suspect we'll talk more about this but we've been over on my podcast ten percent happier we've been. Doing a special series of episodes about a specific kind of meditation that in my view could be really helpful right now, which is a kind of meditation that was not a fan of that. I heard about it seemed very, very syrupy but a set of practices known as the Brahma, the horrors or the divine abodes that are basically training up our capacity to be loving. So I, want you to talk a little. Bit More about that because I certainly think this and there are four particular skills that we cultivate with those practices and I want to understand how you are using the practices personally to manage your feelings and also you have to be on guard with the news every minute ensure you're getting instant messages and phone calls and it's nonstop. So that's an extreme situation compared to the rest of us who have to titrate. Or reading the paper. How do you implement these practices to feel more sane in your day? Will let me just say about news consumption. Yes. I am in the Biz but one thing that's been really helpful I just turned off all my notifications. So if there is something where the office needs to reach me, they'll call me or text me but beyond that I'm deciding when I'M TUNING And I'm not here to say that I'm somehow perfect in that I never compulsively check. Van Bored or lonely or hungry or tired than I can definitely fall into doom scrolling or whatever it is. So perfection is not on offer here, but we can yet marginally better through just being delivered about it and just setting some boundaries I think turning up notifications is huge. And then also just using your capacity for mindfulness self-awareness to see like how's it going on our number three on twitter? How do you feel and using that as a good feedback for whether you should continue or maybe do something else?
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on Ask Me Another
"Hey everybody. It's fear Eisenberg host of NPR's ask me another and well. Feeling kind of out of sorts but we have a show to do and I have some great guests I'm I'm going to call Jonathan Coulton. Here we go. Hi there. Jonathan. Colton choice male not available to take your phone call right now probably on a cruise ship or at a concert or at some other crowded place with a lot of people call me back by. He needs to change that message. Okay I'M GONNA try again? High of your. Hi Sorry. Sorry. It's me I'm here. I'm so glad you picked up. The story it's a little stressful time we'll stressed out for no particular reason. I totally understand and you know what? I feel the same way and I have someone here to help us great I have Sharon Salzberg and she's a meditation teacher. She's a New York Times bestselling author and she hosts the PODCASTS, the Meta our Sharon hello. Hello shared you've written eleven bucks, and your latest is called a real change mindfulness to heal ourselves and the world. Now I imagine everyone is reaching out to you right now just saying help me well, that's true. It's not necessarily because the book you know but I've been teaching meditation since Nineteen Seventy Four. Wow and so you know there a lot of people reaching out either because they think well, I've put it off you know. Tops this new tool I've heard about or read about or they are relying on more than ever or elkins reasons but. Definitely. Yeah and then people are like right meditation. Okay. To have something that can do in like thirty seconds. Well below that that's also very true like. What neuroscientist friends of mine tell me who study meditation and the brain? Is that Oh, effort to different things one neuroscientist said seven to nine minutes. A day will change your brain in the ways we apparently when our brains to change another neuroscientists told me twelve minutes day twenty minutes, twelve minutes and I usually say first of all, I don't know if it's that healthy to go for the bare minimum but. I it's. Very American like what's the least amount of time I can put into this? Yeah. I going to meditate only got eight minutes. Like. You think you could help us I'm a novice. With a guided meditation, a short one, one, an American style Americans. Sure. I'd be happy to excellent. Okay. What did we do? What do I need to do to prepare a case? So I'll say Because people are in all kinds of different situations listening to this. Yeah. that you have to use commonsense like if you're driving please don't close your eyes. You are at home here sound like the smoke alarm going off, please get up and respond to it. That's a good. That's I will say that I have some construction happening on my street. So that'll be nice opportunity for me to practice. Okay. So, this is just going to be bad. She minutes for anybody. Who's WHO's concerned? So. You can sit comfortably. Either close your eyes or not. I'm going to choose. Closed. Okay me too and will start actually by listening to sound. If.
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"And really what we're getting here. So. So value that I feel actually gets It's not often enough pointed at is which is incredible. Sophistication of Buddhist. Psychology. So you know the language of mindfulness gets thrown around, and of course, there are meditation practices but but there's also this incredible analysis of what it means to be human and as you said, the how to. How to connect actually. The very complicated and messy reality of how we are with our highest spiritual teachings and moral aspirations And the hindrances and there's other language in other traditions. I mean you know I think in some ways maybe the Christianity group with uses the language of sin but would you just kind of explain that and what that how we can work with that? Something that I found kind of reassuring. About Buddhism. Is that the British teaching is that it starts with the problem? Know some people are. They funded disenchanting. You know because they would rather talk about. Liberated state then and the possibility that than the fact that. I'm angry from morning till night or whatever. You know one's experiences, but I always like that. And I felt from the first time that I heard that teaching. In January of Nineteen seventy-one it's not just me. And that clearly have been patterned my life. Just me it's just me. It has a family that looks like this. Is, just me that has all these secrets you know. But my father's just me and so when I heard that the Buddha talked about these mind states. I thought it's not just me look at that. And so it's the same kind of wave being liberated So, there are these five states. The call hindrances not because they're bad. To feel, but because when we get lost in them. They tend to give us tunnel vision and cut off our options and. Really imprison us in some way. It's like the futility of misplaced hope faith when you think affected only. You know push against this enough. It's going go away. Yeah. With anger can only hold on tightly enough to this it will never change With with grasping so They're kind of almost. Adaptive states gone awry or something that they're not bad. But all they're kind of survival mechanisms a lot at their how we live especially through charge very jeld hoods. They were strengths at some point, but then they don't service anymore, which is also something we'll talk about if we ever go to therapy, right? Yeah. That's right. I. Think it's really true. So you don't have to think this A. Disgusting Habit or anything, but it's it is something when may not want to be using every single time when faces adversity because? There are other options that will actually make us happier. So they're grasping I one holding on attachment not attachment in the current western psychological sense but really clinging. and refusing to let things or people are selves. Change. And then aversion, which is the second one anger or fear. And in the British psychology, those are considered the same mind state just different forms anger being the expressive. Out Flowing Energized form and fear being the held in frozen imploding form of striking out against what's happening trying to Clare to be untrue. and. Then there's sleepiness which is really kind of. numbness you know it's like maybe when you face a challenge, your first instinct is I think I'll take a nap. And I'll just wrap myself in this cloak of oblivion and not have to feel so much. And then is the energetic opposite of that which is restlessness. which. Is Agitation Anxiety guilt interestingly enough. Worry things like that, and then the last one doubt and that's really fascinating because. there. Are some kinds of doubt are considered just priceless. They're really important like. Insisting on knowing for yourself. What's true not just believing somebody else and questioning and Wondering. Then there are other kinds of doubt which are more like what we would close cynicism. Like not even trying to find out or something more deeply just stand aside and scoff editor something and. And it's not helpful. So those are the five hindrances which we see. Again and again and again in our own minds. After a short break more with Sharon Salzberg. My longer unedited conversation with her is well worth a listen fine that as always in the on being podcast feed wherever podcasts are found. On being brought to you by the John Templeton, foundation harnessing the power of the sciences to explore the deepest and most perplexing questions facing humankind. Learn about.
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"That, the kind of does what Hugh also are so clear about is that we can't change. often the conditions or circumstances that are immediately in front of us. But we can change our relationship to our experience of them. And that that can change everything. I think it gives us the basis for. Trying. To change the circumstance but from a different place, not because we feel. Defective or deficient or Desperate newsletter words. But yeah. But because we have that sense of. Compassion for ourselves and compassion for others and We can move forward towards something even without necessarily an immediate result and. I think if we can have that basis of. Recognition. Okay. This is the way things are right now and I can see them I. Don't have to be afraid of what I'm facing I can see them for what they are. Then we can move forward in a different way. I want to ask you about just some really specific insights and pieces of teaching but. Have landed helpfully for me One set. This. Idea of visiting forces It is because I'm visiting forces that we suffer. Would you would you kind of that into context and job what that what that is and what the implications of it are for also living? Anytime, but certainly in our time. Those, a very important image for me out of the British teaching where he said. the mind your mind. My mind is naturally radiant and pure. The mind is shining. Is because visiting forces that we suffer. And there are a couple of things. One is that these forces are visiting. You know greed hatred jealousy fear. They're not inherently intrinsically who we are but they visit. And then visit a lot I may visit nearly incessantly but they're still only visiting and then the Buddhist statement it's because of visiting forces that we suffer. He didn't say it's because of visiting forces that were terrible. People were awful or we're. Not Good enough for anything we might say to ourselves. It's because of visiting forces that we suffer and. and. That's been. So crucially important me all along since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, one. Is that the grid. So to speak by which we evaluate ourselves and others is not good and bad right and wrong it's suffering in the end of suffering. Like what increase suffering with deepens it for ourselves and for others? Certain forces, certain action, certain habits of mind, and what leads us to the end of suffering the sense of connection civilization clarity instead of confusion. And that's how it's all looked at. So it's not like you mean to yourself you know or yeah or rejecting when you see one of these forces. So I just love the image and right away see myself sitting happily at home minding Ma'am business and here knock at the door. So I get up and they opened up and there's fear. There's shame. There's Jealous Zee. And I their fling, open the door and say, welcome home. It's all yours totally forgetting who actually lives here. Or? As. We often do like I. Try to shut the door desperately pretend. They never heard the knock and. Somehow the force comes in the window or down the chimney it appears. And so I often think of them as the skill one learns in meditation, Practice. Is what you do for the door. And can you remember who lives there? Can you recognize? Okay, this is what's visiting. It is a visitor. If I get lost in it or overcome. By it will cause suffering. You know doesn't make me bad will cause suffering. How I can relate to it and so this presence balanced compassion does even hospitality. That's part of it. You know in some. Traditions, they have a teaching they basically say. Invite that visitor infirm. Meal. Don't let have the run of the house because as dangerous but. You don't have to be afraid. You don't have to be ashamed of these things that arise you actually couldn't stop them. And so use your energy for something you can do which is deal differently, and you think about how many times even just isolation it's only me it's only me that feels this and have cut off we get from others and how difficult that makes things. If we can even just disentangle that who be a lot happier. Yeah you you. You said also feel the pain of. The disgrace of it. And isn't that interesting to realize That that's also where we go with these this that it's disgraceful, it shouldn't be feeling this way. and how how small and silly I am to go there and That just stops everything. Doesn't it? I just had a memory I very first time I was GONNA talk to. You for speaking of faith. I said something like Something I don't understand is why having less having less financially or economically should be a humiliating thing. And that you know to be in a certain status or whatever we then add humiliation. Like. You're not good enough rather than you know life is taken this course or you know. there's worldwide. Recession Depression. You've lost your job. Yes. You don't have enough but you lesser human being no and so. That sense of disgrace or humiliation, which is I think part of the cultures. Premium. Being in control at all times. All things. Is. Never in touch with reality now looking our in. I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being today with Sharon Salzberg through renowned teacher puts practices..
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"Veterans new study what does spirituality mean to us reveals how spirituality informs our understanding of ourselves and each other and inspires us to take action for the common good explore these findings and more at spirituality study dot. Org. How to keep walking forward and even find renewal along the way in this year of things blown apart what sustains us how to hold onto our sense of what is whole and true and undamaged even in the face of loss These questions of Sharon Salzberg Anchor, a virtual retreat I signed up for with her on one of this year's many bad days. It was called shelter for the heart and mind, and she has created some shelter for me at once grounding and energizing through all of the highs and lows that have followed. I've been in conversation with Sharon since this show began and I invited her to come back to mull over the matter of being alive in twenty twenty with me and with you. Sharon Salzberg is one of the most esteemed teachers of meditation in the world, and she's credited as one of the founding three who introduced Buddhist practices into mainstream Western culture. In the nineteen seventies it's psychological acuity can template of depths and practical tools for living. Sharon helps far-flung people apply these in everyday life and at extreme edges of reality she's had a sustained presence to the families of Park Land Florida since the school shooting there. She is a master at revealing the interwovenness and the how to of caring for the world while learning kindness towards ourselves and how equanimity can be a form of strength. Certainly fi her the word equanimity owner go where the foot that's really bizarre Zamin and. So many times. We think it means indifference really doesn't it's A huge capacity.
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on Duncan Trussell Family Hour
"It's not thinking like I'm killing. A mother. When you look. Indifference. Yeah that's that's it is so. What do you think about this that the Internet? When connected us? You would think that it would be. It would do the opposite of indifference. How ironic isn't that something about just the massive amount of data that we're getting produces a state of indifference is indifference the same thing as paralysis? is in different? Do you think a form of freezing? And I think it is you know Again it's it's the overload. You know it's like the way people have always said that if you hear that. Three people died. In, a tornado in you hear their stories and. That's different than twelve thousand because it's just a number. And once it's a statistic and and we lose touch with that. It's too much. You know we just can't take it in and so. I think we we need to someone like if he's going back to belks if you see your whole life is your creative medium. You know, and that's where you're acting. And So what how many hours you're gonNA spend you know like Dune scrolling or just fixed on your? You know you've got a kid you know like, would you just ignore him in order to you know? Do Scroll a little longer. You know probably not I saved my doom scrolling for late at night but we get. What we need to come up with the termeer doom scrolling is great. What's the opposite off the top of your head? Can you think of something to call it? ooh, I don't know something about the good Good scrolling. Good joy mining. Joy Mining. Oh, very good. Doom scrolling versus joy minors because yeah. I I love that. I love that because that would be another form of activism. That is thing I've thought of is I'm looking at the was I hate watch Fox News which my wife and I unfortunately do is we hate watch. Sean Hannity Tucker Carlson. We hate them but we turn it on and we watch and we glare and we shake our heads and it's like I begun to realize that's exactly what they want. If, there was something in the world if there was like evil in the world, really wouldn't ask much of you except. To keep looking at the darkness right that's all it want it wouldn't. It wouldn't care if you looked at the darkness and hate it if you looked in the darkness and rejected it, he doesn't care. It just wants you to keep looking. Like some horrible horrible attention starved beast. But well, isn't it addictive Sharon? Isn't it addictive? Isn't it like the greatest drug of all time snorting big lines of terror and fear if it really produces a kind of Interesting high. I've applied the mindfulness training. I've gotten to the feeling. It's not like we're doom scrolling and feeling pain. Like in the same way, you say deconstruct anger. What's the feeling of Doom scrolling? That's specific. Weird. Fear Gazza or something. You know like it's a complex feeling we're getting as we are. Trying desperately to dig up as many horrible events and our phone as we can. Before we go to bed what do you think that feeling is that's glueing Stewart I mean, I have I have. A belief. You know. So a church true, but it's true for me. Which is that I mean certain things are are more Activating trauma for each of us you know then than other things and For me I have this in the book to have some reference to like. Because my childhood was full of secrets you know I have a very, very visceral reaction to thinking people are lying to me. And it goes in deeper. It's more. Crazy making almost anything and so? I saw pretty quickly you know that. there are certain things I just shouldn't. Be. Ignoring I'm not suggesting ignoring them but there's certain things that they shouldn't be devoting a lot of time to because it was gonna hit that very place. And I think something I've seen which I. Always have a hard time putting into words but. Something I've seen in myself as I've grown through the years and changed. Is that it used to be that when There was a certain feeling like life's phone apart you know this chaos. Confusion. something awful. Impending I don't know what it is but shirts coming. Then something in. Me would settle and think that's what lies should feel like because that's. Like. Yes. and. I've seen over time that that feeling this is right. That's gone or you know where that's very different than it used to be. And I think, oh, that's probably a really good sign. You know like my should not feel this way you know especially for child but. Anybody, it should not feel this way. and so I don't have that same kind of. Magnetism. Toward those. rehashes you know like great or let's hear the recounting of. Hugely chaotic thing that's full of deceit and you sit there because you think, oh, that's what life should feel like. Sweet home and home sweet home. It's like a little little time travel back to your childhood. If you're like a little journey into the past the I get it I, love it. That's brilliant. Sharon that is it. That's so many of us didn't have. Little. House on the prairie child that's just the truth of the matter. That's right. Right, and so this this appeals to all of get it whow Sharon Salzberg I. Don't know how I got so lucky I get to have this conversation with you but I am so grateful to you. For for Your Association and God, bless you for writing this book. This is really this is a this is going to be remember this is a big one and I love you and thank you for your very generous time. Can you tell folks to find you and you mentioned that you are you taking students? Are you still how could someone if they? The people in my community, we have a weekly meditation and I always say, I. Am not a meditation teacher and I don't say that in a humble way I'm literally automatic. podcast there but I always recommend finding. If people wanted to. Connect with you in that way, is it possible or what would be the steps to do that? Well, you know I have a website which assurance ellsberg common. I think more than thinking you know people could work with me individually, which is kind of a lot of people but sure I'm happy I'm going to. Invite myself to your weekly meditation in your community you know. I'm happy. Skew I've been dying to ask you. God. Bless you and I'm like there's no way I'm asking I'm asking Sharon Salzberg to be to come drop into the meditation but God I would. Be Happy to. Like you usually get counseling from your rug who asked me for things all the time. He never hesitate. Literally.
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on Duncan Trussell Family Hour
"With? How do you? How do we grab that energy and use it in a productive way? Well know people actually practice in meditation. It's like. maybe bring up some situation where you're angry yourself or someone else feel it in your body. You know learn to recognize that feeling because when you're out in the forest and. You know you're getting upset about something. It's going to be in your body. You can recognize it in your body before the cognitive thought comes. You know we stayed out here way too long. So that's part of it. Part of it is learning the add ons that we. Are used to you know like shame or? got to repress this got deny it or. It no one ever listens to me. You know like. Everything I do is complete utility whatever is that habitual add on, learn to recognize that and then we let that go. And then It's almost like. And you need the time. You can't do this when you're on the spot you know but in the military, that's why it's like second rehearsal you know. Feel in your body and you notice the other ask yourself what else is here? Like one of those working with somebody as a meditation student and I said the next time I see you. I. Want you to tell me three things you found inside your anger and one of them can be it's changing. Peaks and then evaporates and comes back or whatever. But one of them might be oh Salata sadness in there. You know I. It's a lot of a lot of fear in their whatever and. And I would especially look for that sense of helplessness. Because that's the that's the moment that you channel. You know you say I'm going to take some action. I'm going to. Often. We don't take action because it feels too small. You know we're going to do but. it's actually do more than yelling you know. So yeah. Right or reading an angry tweet or something you know so. You can resolve on the action once you recognize the helplessness and it's very important because the anger might have a very valid message but. It's pretty distorted by the time we're overwhelmed with and I did tell story the book. which is one of my favorite stories about My friends from the holistic life foundation who bring Yoga and meditation to the Inner City Schools in Baltimore. And they tell me the story about this little girl who is maybe like let's say eight years old and. She was a fighter. She was always getting into terrible trouble and kids are mean to her and they were they were picking on her and they were teasing her run. But still she was the one who knocked them out you know. Ended up in detention so they they had meditate and. When Day they walked into some public space like the gym or something and she had this other little girl up against the wall by holding her by her throat Oh my God and then she looked at her and said, you're just lucky in meditate and she dropped. To and sat in the corner and composed herself. Wow. Wow. Yeah I love that that you know maybe we could. This is something. By the way I wore a Hawaiian shirt today because I don I we were price, but we probably be in Hawaii Rhonda's retreat at this point if. Vandamme Iq but the. I want to talk about this because. I feel like you are such a genius at it. demystifying. Meditation demystifying disappeared you're going to have to say that all again. Okay. Am I here. Can you hear me now night now you're back. Okay. Yes. Perfect time to cut through commercial..
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on Duncan Trussell Family Hour
"Or something realizing you're some kind of pharaoh that was having a weird dream regardless let me know generosity for a week. I know this seems like a mundane freakout challenge but if you listen to your old uncle Dunkin with golden nipple. hoops. Might find that just the simple shift. Messing around with the first pyramid create some pretty dramatic radical. Weird. Secret entities tap in your life or if it doesn't. So what what are you GONNA do? Find me you won't find me. Challenge veto fight. We're GONNA fight somewhere because the paramedic challenged and work for you. You're GonNa beat me. Daddy spank me. Can make me suck your. Friends, we've got a wonderful podcast for you today. Sharon Salzberg is here with us. We're going to jump right into it the first this tremendous. Thank you to the bone wizards at blue cheer. For Not just for sponsoring this episode of the BTF H. But for raining there white full edible pills down on the planet. Blue Shoe, they bring you the. Same FDA approved active ingredient as Agra and Seattle. I'm not embarrassed that I. Own Her pills never bothered me never just I knew at some point joy. You'RE GONNA have to start shopping on Boehner build probably. WHY WOULD You know I've got. I've got one ball I don't exercise. Pandemic. It's not exactly what you would call the sexy period in American history also, I don't want to go to a pharmacy right now for anything I don't care what it is I just WanNa. Go there I don't WanNa race getting some form of viral pneumonia. You know. So this.
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on Duncan Trussell Family Hour
"It on vinyl unfortunately. So you gotTa have a lot of room and your crate. That's the announcement trumpet everybody and that means we've got a big announcement this just in the announcement trumpet has been replaced by a horn. Here's the announcement. We are having A. D. H. Freak out challenge. If you remember the old days of the D. H. for a while we are doing freakout challenges. These were simple things you could do that would sort of push your comfort zone and create weird phenomenon in your life. But one of them was we you know give a flower to a stranger since then the world has changed. Dramatically. So I don't even know if we could do that anymore safely even then it was a little like probably dangerous and maybe scared a you people now think about it. I don't know if you've ever been given flabbiest stranger but. If somebody gave me a flower. Now it'd be like I'm not touching that fucking thing until you dip it in rubbing alcohol. But do another this one's a simple freak out challenge. And you know what? You're going to hear it and you're gonNA think fuck this. This is not. Extreme, enough. I'm sorry. What can I say I'm over here all my shits melting down. In a good way. My the peak of my life, your day's. Getting blasted. Ecstasy. Making, love pouring wine all over my body stomping grapes on my back. Swimming, come. But now I'm older. Than me it's the simple things. Bill. Adage. Champagne, bread. and. Bed. I've changed I've left the city I no longer drink champagne out of butts and I like the new me. So we're not GONNA do some wild freak out challenge. No blimp rentals. Nothing extraordinary and you know these days we've got a pandemic happening. So it's like I'm not going to send Joe to a shopping mall dressed as a clown to give people condoms or something we've got to have A. Gentle Freak. Out. Challenge and. I'll tell you man I've really become absorbed in this idea I. Guess You could say in Buddhism called the parameters. Apparently. There's there's either six of them are ten of them. I'm not sure which depends on what website you land on. Seems, like somebody added some parameters to the the list, but the pyramid has it gets translated as. Perfection 's or another version of it is the other shore in other words. These are sort of traits that in an enlightened being just naturally sort of glut like exhibits. With no difficulty you know just sort of and I've been around, you know people like Sharon Salzberg, for example You know. She just these. These teachers they have this. Way of just bending. I don't. WanNa say bending alka ING. Reality so that no matter what. It always went when they sort of. Break it down in that breakdown. There's beauty there's. A sudden realization that you're you're not quite as trapped as you thought you were. And so maybe that's what the pyramid is. That's what they what naturally comes to a person who's had a lifetime of practice. I am not that person So for me like my my state, my desired state of being Is kind of like I. Don't know like snorting ketamine playing God of war. Hold up in some warm soft sweet-smelling place. and you know that's I'm not saying that's necessarily the worst thing in the world. But I, don't know if that's like at the end of that life you're going to be like, wow, that was awesome. You're pregnant. Feel a general sense of I don't know maybe there was maybe I should have added to that like. T- sometimes, they're a walk So the Pyramids. I've heard him described by pima children as a form of stretching by the way. I'm sorry for my Patriot on already heard me yapping about this for probably too long at our family gathering today, but it's where my head is right now. So the first pyramid. Is. Generosity. Generosity and this is not. So generosity know depending on. Where you're at some people, just think of generosity is like donating giving money. Giving stuff to people isn't that's not. Necessarily what it is though it can be part of. This in my very. Rough approximation of what these things might be this version of generosity is more about giving yourself. So you know in other words it's like not just going to dinner with someone and buying them dinner, but also listening to them. Through the dinner. And not being on your phone like really being there with him. And for a lot of us that easy depending on who you're going to dinner with. It's not like. I don't know how many of Y'all have had an angry mom make dinner. That's not fun. Do you remember your mom banging pans slamming cupboards, smashing down pots loudly clinking things like under cooking stuff because she's fucking mad at you but your kids she still has to feed your ass. That's sweet on some universal like attornal mother like I'm GonNa still do this for you. Even though you left like a a weird condom are two in my bed after I went on vacation and so you are humping in the house and I don't know who you are on being but there are a lot of condoms but I'm GonNa make you dinner so. That's that is not necessarily generosity but. So in other words it'd be easy. If we could just give shit to people because then you wouldn't have to worry about all the other stuff that goes along with it. This version of generosity is. Giving yourself, sharing yourself with people and prioritizing. Other people I don't WanNa say it prioritizing the people above you. Hurts to say. With my kids easy, I actually love it but. It's not easy for me all the time. It's just not my natural state. So I've been experimenting with this. Here's where I'm going to add my own little twist to it God. Forgive me. I like the term other shore I think about multi-diverse navigation way too much the idea that we live in a universe. Onion layer and multiple other universes and that every action regardless foul minute may seem. Sort of veers one way or the other into a parallel universe. In other words, it's not like you get in shape from working out. It's Working out causes you to move into the time line where you're in shape. So Para Mita, the other shore implies a kind of navigation and. I've noticed in my Clumsy. Experiments with generosity is that the reality I exist in the universe I'm in when I start stretching my generosity muscles by trying to fully be with people in my life. is a completely different reality brighter reality. It's a shiny reality. It's a warmer reality. It's sweeter reality and also again friends I'm a forty six year old who used to like low nothing I love more than filling my tab with common bathing and then snorting big rails of md May and you know eating eating an ass. But also compared to like all those experiences something about. Just. Making an effort to. Be. Fully with people in your life. To. Be With them even if what they're saying is not necessarily what you are interested in. For you I know all of you listening you mean like just being a normal nice. person. But. For me this is like an alien landscape to some degree. And also one of the things children said and the Youtube video I found is I was looking at the media's is you start where you're at. There's no shame in it. Where you're at where you're at. So maybe for you, this is how you live already is your life and their whatever there is of you is a kind of shadowy. Like. Glowing Pretty Rainbow e translucent, opaque shimmering of barely an identity. You're not self absorbed what I'm saying. But. You could still stretch more I think I. think that's the idea is that you can always sort of like stretch out and be a little more generous and then see what happens to your dimension I'm not saying that all of a sudden. Like rainbows are going to appear in the air and like birds are going to land on your shoulder. But I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happened to you, it really could be that your three acts of generosity away from waking up in Atlantis.
Try This Meditation Before You Try to Change the World
"Hi This is Sharon. Loving. Kindness Meditation for ourselves. is a powerful way to deepen our inner strength. If we grow the sense of self respect to start with. It will allow us to draw boundaries. Responds unfair treatment. And, join with others in a sense of common cause. Let's begin. Sit comfortably. Relax. Can Close. Your eyes if you feel comfortable. We begin by actively taking delight in our own goodness. Think of a good quality that is alive within you. May Be a very small thing, but bring it to mind now. Than silently repeat phrases. That reflects what we would wish most deeply for ourselves. Using traditional phrases like. Man Live in safety. May Be Safe. Have Mental Happiness. Which is peace enjoy May Have Physical Happiness. Which means health and freedom from pain. May I live with ease? which is made the elements of daily life go easily. Not Be such a struggle. You can use these phrases or any others that are more personally meaningful to you. May Be Safe May, have mental happiness. May Have Physical Happiness. Mad Live with ease. Just gather all of your attention behind one phrase at a time. And repeat the phrases of loving kindness for yourself. It is said that we can search the entire universe. For someone who is more deserving of our love and affection than we are ourselves. Only want finding that person anywhere. So as you receive this energy coming towards you. Be In touch with that truth. We deserve to be happy. We deserve to be safe. Just, as all beings do. Maybe. Safe. May. have. Mental Happiness. I. Have Physical Happiness. Man With these. When you feel ready, you can open your eyes. You can see how developing greater self respect. and loving kindness toward ourselves. Is a doorway into deepening our own strength to care for others and the world?
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on The mindbodygreen Podcast
"An easy story telling you it'd be mindful doing anything but will really be. I'm drinking a cup of tea on the conference. Call her on Zoom. Now you know so You mentioned loving kindness when I think of Sharon Salzberg. I think involving handsome pasta. So let's go back to start with loving kindness. Can YOU WALK US? Through for those unfamiliar. What loving kindness is and why? It's so powerful Well if you if you talk about different streams or kind of larger categories of meditation. You could say mindfulness or insight. Meditation Revolt Posner which means insight Is one and loving kindness kind of another and the very connected but stylistically different? And they're sort of designed differently. I think of loving kindness is very similar to gratitude practice actually in that We may be stepping away from our more normal wave paying attention to pay attention differently so I call it a stretch. You know. It's like when I first heard about gratitude practice. I thought an now you know and I realized that it would not come automatically for me. That would take some intention. Elevate experiment to see what it was like. Because I'm much more conditioned my family conditioning. My cultural conditioning to come to the end of the day and see what I can complain about rather than notice what I have to be grateful for. You know I didn't show up in the way it hope for that. Other person disappointed me and back. In the old days there was always an airline or a phone service and And it would take not force and not coercion but a real spirit of experimentation. Say Okay what else happened today. You know what about what I have to be grateful for and so loving. Kindness is very much that kind of practice usually fishing about ourselves. We may be going through the list for the billions time if everything wrong with us and water about if we stretch to wish ourselves well a may be happy may be peaceful Or here's another example. That's kind of eerie right now. They're often people we ignore or look through. Were discount and in the former loving kindness practice that would be category of the neutral person. Somebody were on strongly like or dislike and and teaching loving kindness when we talk about the neutral person. We suggest well. Why don't you try to choose someone you run into now and then over time as you do this practice of free? These phrases silently. You know may be happy may be peaceful things like that you get to notice if anything changes in your feeling about them or your relationship to them some. I was reading a meditation like that out loud to be recorded the other day and for thirty five or forty years when we come to the the neutral person. We've said try the checkout person in the supermarket near the kind of person usually completely indifferent to write that we look right through. And just you know. Hold them in your heart and do this meditation. See.
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris
"We talked about the issue of grief and it was fascinating because It TURNS OUT. Grief isn't just something you feel when you've lost a loved one. Of course that is an appropriate time for grief but it's also something. Millions of US ARE EXPERIENCING. Even if we haven't lost someone were feeling it because we've lost a way of life for we've lost sense of security and so we're going to drop a meditation now from Sharon Salzberg one of the most popular meditation teachers in the ten percent happier ecosystem and just a truly legendary teacher in her own. Right on the issue of grief. So here we go Sharon Salzberg. Hi. This is Sharon Salzberg. Grief is one of the more difficult feelings that we have most of us have the sense that we haven't really been given the tools perhaps that it's a shameful kind of feeling or our friends or family are getting kind of impatient like hurry up. This gone on long enough. They're all kinds of extra conditioning. Layers that we tend to add to the feeling many times we discover that the actions we take to avoid simply being with the feeling are far more burdensome and complex and harmful then it would be if we actually just sat an experienced what was actually happening so even though it is difficult. We're going to practice doing just that so we can begin by sitting comfortably or lying down. Whatever seems right to you is closed or slightly. Open the anchor for attention. The refuge is the breath just the normal natural breath wherever it strongest few or clearest fear if you particularly want to work with the feeling of grief you might have to bring up consciously the situation. The loss challenge whatever it is. Allow the feeling to fill your body. He may have all kinds of thoughts of regret dismay. I wish I had done this or should have done that. But you let those thoughts come and go as you anchor your tension in your body. What are you feeling? One of? My teachers once encouraged US imagine. The spaceship has arrived and is Martians. Come out and they come up to and they say what is anger? What is grief? What are you feeling so start with a body? Would he feeling in your body chest and your stomach in your heart near throat? What's happening and then as with other painful things we're going to break down the experienced into its component parts. What are three things you find within the grief sadness guilt anger could be anything? We pay attention in this way. Which means we're not condemning. What we're feeling we're not lost in.
Daniel Goleman: The Mind and Meditation
"I have the pleasure of speaking with Daniel Goldman to claim psychologist and author of several books including the international bestseller emotional intelligence. Why Can Madam Molden? Iq Daniel has written extensively on the connections between human psychology science and contemplative practice and their practical applications in both leadership and in everyday life in this conversation. Daniel talks about his early years at Harvard where he earned his PhD in psychology and how encounters with great teachers such as Ramdas took Kunar remedy and many others would pave the way for his research on meditation and Non Western theories of mind unlike he studies in psychology which largely focused on the content of the mind. By-pass enough focused on the process. Which was tremendously exciting Daniel. He then discusses how mindfulness and meditation topics not will receive. Graduate advises have evolved within the United States and within American culture most profoundly. Daniel discusses his most recent work on climate change. He off is extraordinarily astute insights on how the human mind grapples with the difference between imminent verses symbolic threats and how these translates into the world of capital consumerism and personal responsibility he also shares his thoughts on how Donald Practitioners My contrbute to these calls. Especially I so much enjoyed this conversation and I hope you do too so I thought to start with awesome you so. You're a graduate student at Harvard and went to. India is that is that rushing seventy might travelling companions on the trip. Were someone known as Jeff. Cable? Who's called Krishna? Dos The devotional singer. Another friend was released for DOS. Who just lose writing books with Rhonda's because I had met Ramdas quite by accident cosmic what you would say tender auspicious coincidence or something but My Freshman Freshman Trish during graduate school. I was writing a paper suicide over the Christmas. Oh holiday and I get a knock on the door of my apartment in Cambridge in. It's a woman why never seen before. And she had run into a friend of mine who had been in a communal house in Berkeley. Who's going around the world? And he had sent a letter to me that she was the currier four and she had been in a monastery in Nepal where she met a an American. A guy named Bongolan not rundown. Yes and basically she. I have two things to do here. One is delivered this letter to you. The second is to visit this guy. The BAGUA DOS it. I really shouldn't need and the third was to go to my sister's wedding but she backed out and so that was why she came to America. So I said well I'll take you to meet this person you know. Your Christmas is writing on suicide. We ended up driving up to New Hampshire in there in this farm house. Luxuriance funhouse in a small room. Upstairs was this guy all white along there but no Julia was and he had all these weird pictures on the wall turned out to be Hindu deities and we watching remit and nobody said anything. I never been in a social situation where nobody said anything but I went along with it. And then after a while he spoke and it turned out he was Richard Alpert now. Rhonda's just come back from India and it turned out also that he had been fired from the program at Harvard that I was enrolled in a graduate student. Also I was on the graduates to school colloquium committee which meant I could invite him to come back and speak. Nice which I which was the first time he'd been back to Harvard since he was fired. And so you know he was on fire. He was really full of shocked as they say just back from India and he started. He came give a lecture started. Seven ended it too and to bribe janitor lettuce sticky two. Am to work. And I began to go to a kind of a summer camp that he was running his father's place in the Hampshire where I visited him. This was in the summer and after two rounds I found out that might fill ship to harbored included. A traveling challenge ship nice and I had a wonderful mentor at Harvard David McClellan who actually had hired fired leary and so what did he think about your little excursions to bomb. While he was a devout quaker and he was very interested in meditation so it seems glad that I was getting into this because none of it all is other graduate students. Were like all its study the need to achieve from the you know also you riding on suicide just WanNa go back to that in. What was was there any in that compelled you to write. Oh I had been at a teaching assistant in a course on death and dying talk. Guinan and I had gotten access to about several hundred suicide notes for Bailey Corner. Yeah and you know it's just a you know you study stuff in doubt. I mean I wasn't suicidal. But yet you had interesting death and dying or was that interested. Dr. Not like a personal interest but kind of academic academic India okay and so I should give it back on. My father was professor humanities and my mother was a social worker and I think I got a a kind of implicit value system. It was a very ecumenical. He taught a course called autobiography of civilization which was world literature so it a very lot instead of Sanskrit actually version Among other languages his best friend was the guy who founded the Asian Studies Department at Berkeley? No so I had this kind of view of the world which was larger than just Western yesterday so I was very interested in going to India but I found could In graduate school because Ron dos made me think oh I'd love to meet his guru yet girly Bob Him. You Know No. I'd never met anyone like him of the KARMAPA sixteenth city. Zuma Sitter Sixteenth Mama's yeah and They meant didn't see each other enough. Say met but Lama nor law whose retreat master for College Berries who was close to carmont stayed within croly Baba for two years and I think maybe he told them I never got the story of how he knew anything again. But anyway and Because this was nineteen seventy s very early. A lot of the wonderful lauman's the very shall we say far advanced llamas on the path from Tibet were still alive and Christopher Dawson and I met coup Air Fiche who is very humble. Wonderful being reviewed seem around dawn. You know mumbling all money. I when I saw going around the Stupa and people come and see him day and night and he was always happy to see. Whoever came which I contrasted with my professors at Harvard were world famous psychologist. You could see them like two to three on Tuesday office hours so anyway. Long Story Short coup. Who was wonderful and I didn't know till decades later with he was the teacher of the Dalai Lama on Compassion Chari out the time. You would certainly never say so. He had been offered the kind of the presidential suite with top sweet. And the monastery top floor didn't want he stayed in a very small room had little wooden bed. That was it was very simple. It beautiful way so I met him and kind of made it my business to look around I. I ended up studying the Pasta with Joseph Goldstein. Who was in residence of the Burmese? Mahara I think. Joseph was little horrified that other Westerners were showing up and Manindra had invited his friend going Kaji to give up his second course for Westerners and I went back and gave a talk at the conference on Yoga and Therapy Deli and told people there that there was going to be sub ten day retreat and when the people audience was named Sharon Salzberg cow and so she came to book Guy Learn how to meditate the rest is history was charged with Joseph of course so we go way way back to nineteen seventy really
Sharon Salzberg Makes Me Feel Better
"Sharon. Thanks for coming appreciate that. Well thank you coming. Is The odd term. Really kind of staying by us. Exactly he didn't. You didn't have to go anywhere for this over to the computer. How how are you doing in a shelter in place? Well I'm I'm doing pretty well in Barre Massachusetts in my home and it's it's pretty peaceful and I mean obviously I go through all kinds of things like everybody else you know anxiety and sadness It just feels like the enormous unknown and when I reframe the current experiences kind of being on retreat than I think a right to do this just for the uninitiated Barre Massachusetts B. A. R. E. Massachusetts is in central mass which is You you have a house on the grounds of insight Meditation Society which You co-founded With Jack Cornfield and Joseph Goldstein. Many many years ago But I'm interested to hear you say that you go. You're going through a lot and and other things I think. I think that's actually useful for for US civilians to hear that venerated. Meditation Future has Feelings yes well. I mean the anxiety I think is some biological. You know it's like Whoa. And then I am just grateful all the time for the kind of training I had through meditation practice. So for example. It's it's that conjecture about the future. Like what if this happens that happen? You know the insight Meditation Society will be able to open. When will it be able to open? How would it be know? And I think you don't know anything you know. This is all useless. It's useless expenditure of your life energy. Just come back to the moment deal with what's in front of you remember to try to stay connected to others and that's all. I can do right now so I'm just so grateful that I've had all these years of watching my mind go off and remembering in the kindest way most gentle way. Just come back you know deal with what's in front of you. You said you. Very graciously agreed to come on our new ten percent happier live experiment. Where we're doing live guided meditations in the afternoons. And you said something that has really stuck with me. Which is that. There's this thing about anxiety the not knowing is actually not that bad. What is bad? I'll stop saying it you. You Continue Survey says that in in my experience of sitting with fear and Kinda the perspective of mindfulness. Let's say if you're sitting and experiencing something like fear you're not particularly concerned with what you're afraid of. You Know How could resolve or how did you get to the sorry place? You should be better than this but actually looking at the feeling itself so it's a kind of a bit of attention and when I've done that and I've looked at fear in my body I've looked at fear kind of the play fear in my mind what I've seen a for me. That despite the world's pronouncements that we're afraid of the unknown which of course can be true. I'm mostly afraid when I think I do know and it's GonNa be really bad. It's the stories that I tell myself that. Really get me going and even in the midst of that if I remind myself you know what you don't know then there's space and is actually kind of a relaxation or or piece right there. I that really lands for me. I wouldn't have been able to articulate that but it's it's exactly that that I think what I don't like is the uncertainty. But what I really don't like is the horror movie. I'm making my own Ma. Yeah of course we invest in it. You know it's like it's creation than than we claim it as necessarily true Su. I'm just walked me through a moment how it goes in your mind in an actual moment of anxiety. What for you after decades of practice. What happens in your mind when you notice? You're spinning off. Well I mean part of it is you know it's very physical. My heart starts beating faster and and I can feel. This is just a certain kind of energy moving through my body and then. I watched the thought start to play out. You know I this is going to happen. That's going to happen. And what if we can ever opened again on what if that you know and then if I remind myself either you not now or just breathe. Just take a breath. You're not going to resolve this entire problem on behalf of the world right now on. Chug just take a breath. Come back to yourself. It's oddly enough. It's the same gesture of the mind that I had so much contempt for when I first heard about meditation. I thought that's stupid. Thank you put your mind somewhere and it goes off somewhere else and you let go and you come back. I thought I was in India and I thought I came all the way to India for this. Like it's ridiculous you know but there. It is all these years later and in the midst of extremely intense situation like the same gesture of the mind and I think how amazing to have been practicing us. And what's empowering I think for me and I hope for anybody. Listening to this is that you could get better at this if you do it for fifty years but you can have done it for a couple of weeks a couple of months a couple of years and anybody can do what you're describing this right and. I think it's the regularity of practice I don't think it takes such a long time to kind of reinforce that muscle group and then you remember like in the middle of a conversation with somebody you know. Were you starting to feel that particular anxiety or you realize something and you. You're not sure you really did it. Properly whatever it is you know and you can feel that kind of thing so you can do it right there. You know you have the physical signal of what's happening in your body and that's reminding you okay take a breath. Just come back. Let's deal with what's
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes
"I guess I did. You know there wasn't like by the time you know I I like to see you for example and I asked to stay an extra night. Which ever does you know. And why did you like it? I liked it because I have my own nurse and I had my own room. I wasn't sure if I would have my own room. In fact I did but when they transferred me to a floor but I just liked it and got chapstick knows like I remember when val had her baby we had a nice room would not like a fancy show Biz Room just like the rooms at cedars or private. They let us do the lighting how we wanted to. We had electric candles and stuff and we didn't want to be what's the word not ejected. But we didn't want to move so I understand that. Yeah so I'm sure. Close like a billion to let me stay on the night and then they moved me to floor and there was like. Oh my have my own room is teeny tiny and one wall was not really wall. It was more like a room. Divider you're in a cubicle. Yes so I couldn't see who is an extra I heard everything and so is it was really amazing was like because it was a succession of people. Is there for ten days so it was? It was just like humanity going through with hearing somebody and then adopted coming in and saying you realize your symptoms occurs you drink too much and then someone else had another story. You know so. It was kind of amazing. But the scariest ports were not so much when I thought about dying because by the time I was in the room I was sort of like. Oh I'm IV antibiotics that taking care of me. There were scary moments because I was very very lucky. And the system is such in. The nature of communication is such that it doesn't necessarily build up your sense of resource so for example they come in and say we'll kind of bacteria you have really likes to go into your bones. We've got a cat scan so terrifying to the cat. Skin hadn't gone into my bounds or the kind of bacteria you have really Alexa. Go into your hearts. We have to an echocardiogram hadn't gotten into my heart but each time sort of presented like you know. Are you going to get? Does our always feel hospitals. Are you going to get your freedom pass renewed? Can I leave? Can I just go back into the happy bliss of outside of a hospital where you're just like? Maybe I'll have a grilled cheese. Someone's nicer out there and then here you have to. I had a brain scan and they were. They saw some ended up just being smudge but I had to go back and I remember. I'm sure as I'm sure you do. The adrenaline is activated. Memory is formed. It's really crystallized. Remember being a hotel in between the two appointments going like is this. Is this when they say because I know at some point someone is GonNa say or they might be sudden. But something's going to happen so you kept having that not only. Are you surrounded by real? Nece you're also experiencing your own hyper reality. I mean the scariest thing honestly was not even the thought of dying. Although maybe F- more accurate memory would it would be more cute. But it's like I was so spaced out for a while my brain just didn't come back you know and I I thought maybe that's it. No more writing no more teaching different life just going to be in some way and it was really hard you know it was really scary and then I couldn't sleep on the hospital bed. So's living in. This armchairs over the armchair the. Who's in the room and it was so old and my leg. My the infections has started on my legs so once they put me on antibiotics and started leaving. The rest of my body went home to my leg which blew up like an elephant ties whole scenarios. I had to keep my leg elevated both lakes in the in the I'm charon and it was so old chair that the bottom part kept falling down with my leg you know and then when when I was in and I was a spy lexus. Little stool in the corner of the tiny little room. And I thought Oh you know you take that stool and you put it underneath the bottom of the charitable propping up and. It won't be able to fall down. I said Oh my brain is back. Oh Wow look at that the little victory. Yeah it's back. I can think no one else thought you know. Yeah and what's your excuse to clear? What a clear example of like there was the you that was noticing that your brain was gone and there was the you that was noticing that your brain was back and that person never changed. That was exactly. I was wondering too if like I would imagine that there. It is kind of like there's a lot of different things to observe like it does seem like your body whether it's your body or your lizard brain like there is a survival part of you that will always be afraid of death like there's an actual. Yeah exactly there's like. I've heard nick turn kind of mentioned. And maybe you can speak to more of the like Buddhist view of that. But he's he said something about when you're sitting with the dying you're really just trying to usher them through that kind of fear gate. That is just going to happen. Because that's what keeps us from not walking into the street right now like we have a will to live that will always be challenged by through that membrane. That's what I've been thinking about death. I was like Oh maybe we could. Just get to a place where it's like. Oh the taking off a tight shoe and everything's fine. There's still a system just like my heart is beating in my lungs or breathing. There's still a system that's going to go like no our whole function and I believe it's the lower part of the brain is to keep alive so there's going to be a panic. You have to just nick turn also said it's like floating on raft and going further and further away from shore into the Ocean which. I always found to be chilling thing. But he's like that's the point it's chilling and you have to find that that actually tied into what I was GONNA ask was. How did you find a way to not resist all these strange and weird things that were happening or but also what Bell said? Please go to what? Yeah I mean I think I think that is true. I mean maybe if you're a great great great Tibetan Lama or something like that it is like taking off out serious that that actually seems conceivable to me but I not me until stories like that. Yeah people sitting up and breathing three times and I heard that he said it three times three three times which is what he would always teach that that he had a feeling that I believe it was. His mother sat up and took three deep breaths and just passed away and it was like in. That's what llamas would do Tibetan lamas and then he goes. It was one of my favorite. I it's funny to call it a punchline but it is he goes who why she and remember Maharaja said. You're you're mother's assane. He's like a great sane as and he was like my mother. What are you talking about like you should see? You're buying chicken. Or whatever like she's not a saint but who is she really? What was going on and when I heard that story about our D. I was very touched. Well there's also like you know in terms of Ramdas like I'm told that I don't know if I have my timing exactly right. But maybe before the Maui retreats less when you were at he had some internal hemorrhaging or something like that was going on and his doctor said something to him. Like you can take your the hospital and give you transfusions. I'll see if it helps you know and or you can stay home. Basically and he said I want to go. You know so whatever mechanism. Yeah you know but I think changed after Maui after that retreat. Yeah and that He. I don't know if he was given a choisir how explicit it was but I think it was time. Yeah and he knew it and he accepted it and whatever in today's very peaceful. I don't know any details about the brief three times. Yeah I knew about the breathing but I wanted. Something already said to me he goes. I want is the EGO and so I'll tip of the hat. I love my ego. He's a good guy. He helps me out a lot but I I want details. I have a sort of spiritual materialistic sort of desire for the story of how he died but that that's how it is with all of these great teachers when it's like. It's the realist thing when I talked to people that have dealt with serious suffering and when I hear these stories. I think we'RE WEIRDOS IN THIS WAY. I get so excited. Here's another way to put it when vow was going and labor is the real thing that's ever happened to us and I said I think it's in my book. I hope it is. I said it was the opposite of looking earphone. So is you lying in bed and hearing someone saying you realize you're drinking too much and you're GonNa die like I think we have this aversion to those things and that's why I wanted to ask you about your experience for some. There's no click bait here. Sharon SALZBERG opens up about. You know it's it's like I know but it's like the real stuff it's and R D shared. That too was he wanted to talk about death. Because it brought you in its snapped you into the immediacy of the moment. That's why I think. It's our fascination with violence guns in movies. Guns are symbols in movies of like. Well this just got real like there's a thing dealing out life and death and it makes us go like this. Matters is important in a engages us. I think this is why we love James Bond. I don't think this is why we know we loved it. Ends on but somewhere deep down. We're going like this is helping me cope. I mean look to Halloween and horror movies rather example this we wanna be brought into that so I love talking to people about the. I'm sure you share the hard stuff. Because that's where it's the most real. We can take off the costumes a little bit. It's weird to fantasize about your the way your parents might open up as they age. I have that fantasy a little bit of just like is there ever going to be like a and they do? Cut The shed their honest people. They're lovely people but like how. How real can we get? How real can we get? Can we just be to awareness instead of the role of son and mother and son and father's brother and brother? It's just like can we just be and the Pete that threw up in the elevator or the sharing. That was waiting for Sixty. Five dollars chapstick. It's like the needle is right on the record and it seems to me like the trick is to bring that immediacy into the Non Crisis. The Gungor one of my favorite bands in our good friends. They have a line where it's like to live one day in. Love is better than one hundred years of fame. And that's exactly my point. You can have a billion dollars and go to the best restaurant in Rome but.
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes
"It. You called us out. We want it to be there for the transition and we were and thou who writes poetry and is quite lovely and we're reading Mary Oliver and and it just makes more sense here. We read it and it's like remembering dream. There is something very by the way. This is your safe space. And you're happy space. Not Everything has to be spiritual. But I'd be saying this regardless of the guests. There's more of a spiritual what's the word. Melancholy Melancholy vowel really tuned into it. Women have it with administration. Obviously men don't have it built in and I really benefit from seeing it from the natural world and then I think makes. La Like instagram became a city is. It's all smiling. It's always hot so you're always wearing like form fitting clothes. So people get really obsessed plus his whole town is what Richard where we call the false self the EGO. It's just the modification of false self. Which I'm too excited to see. I'm talking what do you think about those two things? The one earthquake awareness. What did that make you think of? And hello it made me think. Oh my God. Earthquake Hotel didn't even give me any instructions. His quaco here. Shouldn't they tell you I agree? Yes I don't think they'll no they'll be like the best advice I got. Was someone go outside? My Friend Canyon was like go outside. Okay void I will say I'm sitting with two East coasters and I was born and raised on the west coast so I kind of understand like I couldn't believe how earthquake obsessed Pete was when when we moved in. And you are right like you guys are right but when you are raised with it as a your reality and you're doing earthquake drills You know as young as four it kind of just becomes like a well. It's GonNa Happen. And maybe it is a denial. We've like we've become numb to it or something. Yeah I think you do see what I'm saying. Is it's not awareness. It's not death awareness. I I always think of Gandhi when they when he was shot. He's Rahm was the last thing that he said. That's death awareness. That's a guy who's getting value and mindfulness out of realizing we say on this podcast all the time. I hate brushing but when I do it I go. This might be the last time you brush your teeth so you feel the bristles and you experience it like a child it really snaps you into it so you can have that but we. We don't really have that as much as we have earthquake. Denial which is death. Denial because earthquakes could happen at any moment during a reason for them. It's just a natural thing. Same thing with death and now I'm gonNA throw it to sharing because you I know I remember the last time you were the face of the Buddha and you are so happy to just sit here and listen you must love. I must look like one of those men. They put out inside car dealership. Flap and I think that's my appeal. I'm fine and I'll just flap the whole time but I told myself Sharon Salzberg number two. I'M GONNA ask questions that I'm GONNA listen more. So what does that make you? Think about death? Denial earthquake tonight. I'm I'm just so happy to see happy. Well we can. I'm death now. Talk about in this era post round us but even before that feels like California's entering a new reality like I was staying up in Marin County in there was a blackout. There was a power outage in you know I was just in a hotel and it was pitch black in my room. I happen technical flashlight in my bag which I found you know I didn't want to. There's no Wifi and they don't WanNA use myself unaware it out you know so. I Open the door and then I thought no I can't leave. It's an electronic key. What if I can't get back in you know no close the door and I thought I know how to sit in the dark? I can meditate so I just meditated for like two hours and I love it you know and then the next day as the person behind the desk what was that and he said honor now just happens you know dude I think our disconnection from how technology works is actually part of this post truth postmodern crisis that we're having of course you don't know how to fact check politics you don't know how to fact check the device you're getting your politics from it might as well be a magic crystal You and I. You mentioned being older. We're both older than the kids. That were just raised with iphones. And that's kind of like A. I'm privileged for that. I'm like I remember that I had to be at least inducted a little bit into the idea that radio. It's sort of like radio. Waves are coming into this and they're being transmitted but like if you were raised with that. This is one of the reasons. Why I think millennials. They've explained to me can be more disillusioned as they have a device that you say this in your new book which is called Real Change which is wonderful. I haven't finished it but it's wonderful. Congratulations that you talk about participating in a system that they didn't design and they didn't ask for the way they put it was they have a device in their pocket. Which of course highly addictive it gives us our phone or not are phoney gives us. Our FOOD GIVES US. Our rides gives us directions. It gives us information but also gives you bad news Forty eight times a day and minor stuff stuff. You don't need to know. I just found out an actress from Mash died. Okay I I'm okay with that. I don't mean to her passing. I don't have an opinion about that. I'm just saying that's that's not like the worst news in the world. But like that's a heavy way you go through the world and you talk about sitting in the dark for two hours and you also talked about the tie. Boy Scouts talk about that a little bit if you wouldn't mind one of the things that owners in that particular chapter in the book is trying to get to those places where we're not crushed by that bad news you know we have some examples any wave people who even in the midst of devastation or something really bad happening are shining a light and some mice that we see. There's a way so this kids. Who are you know those tight kids who are stuck in the underwater and who meditated? 'cause they're coach taught them how to meditate or you know at that point. It becomes a necessity. It's almost like the urgency. We're back to earth quakes and death. I was thinking today about jed who produce crashing with me was like the only way to get away from. Your phone is to leave it in a drawer and I was like. That's so interesting because our phones are like our minds and the only way to get past our minds and our egos is to leave it in a drawer. Which is death like. That's why the being forced into like death. Awareness is kind of like leaving your phone and you know you won't do it unless you leave it behind. Isn't that weird? Yeah so you're saying these kids in this cave sort of what a what a terrible situation. But there is the silver lining. We're going to learn to meditate. Because we we have to. Isn't that funny? Yeah so the game was set up for them that well. It's it's. It's also true that I went to India as eighteen years old because I had had such a traumatic childhood and I had such a desperate urge to learn how to meditate and going to college in Buffalo. New York is. I didn't see it anywhere in Buffalo that time and and and so I had a good Indian literally had not even been to California when I went to India. And and there's something about having like easy access. You know that defies that you know you can take something much more casually slept halfway around the world you know. This is probably a somebody pointed out to me. That Buddha gets misquoted. All the time so I might be quoting. I might be misleading. It doesn't really I. I guess what I'm saying. It could be true but the mistake. You're making you think you have time. Have you heard that one now? But it's a good one mistake. You have time. I think about this all the time. I'm always going like later. Allay all of this down or just dance with airplay with it. But like I'll do that later I was. I was just this morning thinking about how when I was younger. Like maybe five six years ago we went to some oprah thing and I was like what do I want one of those things? What do you really want and I was like well? If I'm being really honest I like access adoration and ascension and access was just like I like going to a nice restaurant so that means money to a certain extent that means like knowing a person that might know of a nice place even if it is like a cheap place it doesn't have to be like a fancy place I know that's access adoration. Of course what I do for a living. I want people clapping and laughing at what I say. That is pleasant for me due to my psychology or whatever but then I was like that third one Ascension meant spiritual progress as I call bullshit on myself. I think you want the sensation of progress. But you don't actually want it because I think it would be easier to just go like it's here and now let's just merge into it instead of going like it'll be in that next book that next class or that next retreat or that next whatever and that worked. I was actually going to the bathroom and I was like stop it stop it lay down in value and I have been getting better at identifying you talk about is a very powerful thing to know. You're thinking when you're thinking no you're feeling when you're feeling and that was when I was like. Oh there's talk about around us. He pointed to his head and he goes entertainment. He barely could talk the last time I saw him. But you just pointed goes entertainment and I was like that's it and one of the things. One of the channels on the net flicks in my brain is spiritual stuff. And it's such a such a Baloney Piccione. Well and I wonder if you can speak to the even the idea of Looking at it as progress like having a spiritual goal and I will attain that goal if I can just meditate every day or if I can you know like because it's so easy since we're trained to think of things that way as like being like well I'm going I want to be this kind of spiritual person so I'm going to do all X Y and Z and. There's a way that I can fail or succeed at that. You know and yes so I wonder if you teach practice you practice observing thoughts and your emotions so share eighteen. I'd love to see that flight by the way who is going to India from JFK in nineteen. Whatever I want to know who those people are and you were one of them in the middle. You not as savvy traveler. So you're getting putting the background someone's reclining and you're punching it because you're not yet at a Qantas Anyway Sharon then and share and now there is progress. What do we do with this? No I mean I think I think realistically we do have goals you know. I think it's a use is utilitarian result of saying we don't have goals because it helps cut craving and obsession and things like that but but we do have goals. The question is are they the right goals you know so. It's like the Dalai Lama reflecting this Buddhist. Teaching would say everybody wants to be happy and happy. And a deep sense a sense of belonging feeling at somewhere like in his body and his mind with one another and on this planet. And that's right you know. That's not wrong. That's something you should be ashamed of. Feel squeamish about the question is do we have a clue how to get there and usually no you know we think I will be truly happy when I can say I've been to that restaurant. Accessing adoration those are attempts at Happiness Baloney Baloney. Pa- Joni. Well they can help sufficient. It's not sufficient. Yeah it's not sufficient before his English. Got Better he said and I always like the old way he said it. He said something. Like if you're going to be selfish in other words if you WANNA BE HAPPY. He's it'd be a why is selfish like figure it out. You're going to be happy. Just don't believe everything you've been told you know. And don't buy into the myths and the lies and find out where real happiness is to be found and go for it. And that's good. You know that's not weird this craving. It's not greedy. But it takes a Lotta stepping back because the world will tell you like. Wow you've been to that restaurant that's right. I couldn't get into that restaurant. You're the best I feel like the best must be something wrong. With me we've Valenite together has been to some of the fanciest panatheist things in the world and I don't WanNa hyperbole say it was miserable but there was like a real ache. I'm not saying that to be a holy guy and be like there's an there was like a real hungry ghost. Here's a thing I was like. This is never gonNA be enough. I said in in my book I was like I'm from a family that talked about dinner. While we were eating lunch we plan our dinner while we were eating lunch and we were never eating lunch. We never. We've never had a lunch. We've never been anywhere so that to me. I sometimes get caught up when people think enthusiasm happiness. I actually think surrender. You can see why I love because he was like I love the photos of him. Smoking cigars and hitting golf balls and he. I think he didn't own a plane but he flew flew a plane and back in those days even more so being Harvard..
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes
"You walk made it weird with me. Homesick hundreds of episodes that. I've started by saying what's happening Weirdos and never never before have I meant it more than tonight. Yes seriously guys. What's happened then what's happening. Weirdos. We don't know You know what we're doing our best. We're all doing our best. We Really Take a Christmas card. But we really hope everybody's hanging in there for those that are able to Stay at home or those. That are working who cares. I hope this offers some comfort a little bit of normalcy because this episode with Sharon Salzberg or a second episode with Sharon Salzberg. I figured we could all use some Zen and some wisdom was recorded Well before all of this corona outbreak stuff stuff. Yeah I just WANNA give it. It's respect you can like people getting heat when you're like there's I called my dad. And he was an artist Dunkin donuts. It was really annoying. You knew he was said anything I know I think even he he said the Dunkin donuts isn't allowing people to sit down and that seemed to be the most distressing thing about the whole his world upside down everything. Sarkozy's here like his down crow on my war draw quickly anyway so much so much less to promote valley-sinai where not that you need to do what we're doing we're taking we're watching. We're going to the movies of James L. Brooks right now highly. Recommend it's like they're so heartwarming. And we've never seen broadcast news. Which is incredible credible. We've watched spangler. Also I already knew. That was incredible. That's one of all time favorite movies as good as it gets also great broadcast news. Who Knew Broadcast News? I mean everybody knew everybody now. I mean I feel like it's one of those ones that everybody knows and we might tonight watch terms of endearment which I always thought was the one about like an affair to remember. No Steel Magnolias. Say I'd like everyone's dead. Well Shirley maclaine is also in steel magnolias. Okay Steel Magnolias. And does I get mixed up anyway. This is green. Tomatoes served on steel. Magnolias sounds great. Okay guys who is again? Oh my God we were in the car. Today I've been comforting myself playing music from the nineties. I can't explain myself but I was playing some. What well okay. We I feel like this deserves some explanation. We are self quarantining yourself corey but we were in the car. Because we'RE GOING TO CLEVELAND. We should start with that apologies to the WEIRDOS and Cleveland. People don't know this. I flew to Cleveland on Wednesday Thursday had to cancel the shows so Obviously I just WanNa say that's how planning I was on doing those shows. Well I think by that point. People weren't disappointed as much as I think. They were relieved because they didn't want to laugh on each other. And get spittle on Buffalo Wings and whatnot. Yeah it was kind of crazy timing because this was Thursday and that was like when it was like everything took a turn towards like Holy Shit. This serious alad my while. You're on your flight if I was doing bids which I can't because my job is social gatherings is I landed in Kalihi Cleveland Wednesday night and there was the press Trump on the on the. That's my point is that he's on the screen and I'm like I don't know what's going on and then I knew something was wrong because so many people who never heard them call the president anything other calling trump anything other than trump usually goddamn ch- or whatever. Suddenly they were like the President says to stay goes like oh now president. He's the president like suddenly. The office is like we need it. We need it and we need someone to listen to So That's how I knew we needed to take seriously so I flew back and since then we've been. We've been lucky enough to be able to stay at home. I know that's not the case where everybody definitely go out to the people who still have to work even though it doesn't feel safe and for the people who have to stay home and feel like that's also stressful. It's just distressful time. Yes Oh but anyway if the if episode is some company for you that's why I thought would do an extra long. Hi How you doing intro here. This was unplanned. Yeah I know. I didn't think that I was GonNa tell business where I would be promoting toward Atlanta. Oh yeah so. I was playing guitar for Leila Today. Because you can't go to. Maybe he's a class set as just from the Hello Song. I figured it all starts. He always find the key. I found it and then it turned into What Song is it? Not Ironic turned into the peace sign. There I ended new. It's a hill. Yes swallow their own turns out. It's just Simple G. for the chorus for the verse and then remain on C. D. for the chorus if you'd like to play it anyway recommend male of naked and saying I recommend hoarding. Tb In your bathroom. So what am I everything? I knew I'd always be. I'm fucking Dad. Making bad jokes anyway. Then I was like I'm gonNA listen to similarites Morissette. Someone always wanted to do this. Podcast by the way if you want to skype lawn lanny lanny anyway. This is getting boy. This is boring. I hate this. I hate this. I'm skipping this intro said Della what you said I got in the car we were going to the park. I started playing that. And you said well so these are all the things he has been doing recently. I was like I love you and it doesn't bother me but if you were writing a character about like someone who is a nightmare to be quarantined with they would do things like listen to Lantis Morissette. Listen to Dave Matthews Band and make meatball sandwiches and spill it all. God Vegan meatballs Leeann meatballs. Vme's any WHO's all this is Sharon Sharon solve whose new book real change is out. Check that out. She's incredible. It was so nice to talk to her. She's the best she's the best. It was a gift for us and we hope you feel the same way and we hope you're doing well. What were the charities that were giving? There's some good ones feeding America. Well we give to them. I just meant the ones about chronometer. Yeah Feeding America. Ooh because they are There helping with like the lower income that it's affecting them anyway partners and did he get that. Can we check the levels on me saying that I give to feeding America? I promise you guys this is almost over. I'm so happy to talk to someone. Not just the two of us here. Okay we feeding America partners in Health. Donate blood if you are into that kind of thing. That's like some way that you can support without having to donate money gift cards restaurants you can. Also there is like a Corona Response Fund that you can donate to my dad. 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Race is Not Tangential to Meditation | Rhonda V. Magee
"Guys. Of course it is great to become better at meditation on the cushion to get to you to have your practice improve over time. That's the real point as Sharon Salzberg. The great meditation teacher has said. The point of meditation is not to become a better meditators percents to become a better person to to get better at at your life and you know I often for myself describe it as just becoming less of a moron and so the point is to get up from meditation from one minute to minute. Five minutes twenty minutes. Whatever you're doing and then put it to test in the real world with other human beings how you doing it the DMV. How you doing it The office that's why on this show. We once in a while really try to dive into what is in my view. One of if not the most tricky and contentious social issues in in the United States of America and in many other countries in the world which is race and the takeaway for me from this week's guest is that race really is not a tangential issue to your practice. Is the crucible in which you can test your meditation practice. And it's not just racist. How do you deal with difference? Mejet it can be pigmentation. It could be chromosomes. That can be ideological No matter how homogeneous your you know from a racial standpoint your environment may be there is. There's difference around you all the time. And how are you dealing with that? What kind of assumptions? And you're bringing to the table and Ken Meditation. Untangle things in a useful way for you so Rhonda. Mcgee is a professor of law at the University of San Francisco. She's been on this show before if you want to hear about her fascinating upbringing Go back and listen to episode one hundred twenty four but in this show. We're GONNA talk about her new book which is called the inner work of racial justice healing ourselves and transforming our communities through mindfulness and we talk about whiteness. What it's like to wake up to whiteness both as a white person and Somebody WHO's Non White? We talk about something that I think is fascinating discussed and we have discussed before in the show that this utility of shame when looking at your own biopsies practical ways to use meditation in And mindfulness in these often incredibly painful and awkward conversations about race. We talk about some of the trickiness even among the the tricky issues even among the people who are really committed to this work. Like where's the line between political correctness? And what the Buddha would call right speech also talk about predatory listening and cancelled culture. So we we really cover a whole range of hot button issues in a really thoughtful and I find incredibly practical meaningful way and also Rhonda's just Super Fun and interesting so here we go. Here's Rhonda McGee Great to see you great to see you to come. Thank you already laughing and smiling and we're GONNA be talking about tough stuff. That's a good sign. It's life yes. That's a useful thing to say actually I can't believe I'M GONNA ask this question. I've tried never task this question because the cliche question but here we go. Why did you write this book? okay. I think this book actually kind of wrote me innocence I think I've been working toward the content of it for many many years. You know this is my twenty first year teaching law in San Francisco and teaching All those years of tot you know traditional courses like Personal Injury Law Insurance Law immigration. But I've also intentionally taught courses that invite us to kind of come around gather around the campfire and look at how race and racism intersect with long legal history in our own lives. Actually and I think in the course of that I certainly number one started relying very consciously on my own Inner work to support that kind of outer work so I was very intentionally relying all those years on my own. Mindfulness practice and then at a certain point. I realized I needed to try to figure out how to bring that explicitly into the classroom to be of greater support to my students in not just into that classroom but just into the legal conversation were generally and So I just began exploring with that and that was way back in two thousand three two or three And then I found the network of other people who both in academia generally we're interested in bringing this inner and outer work together for service and work in the world for a more refined twenty first century way of thinking about what it means to be an educator human being on the one hand but also in law in particular because if you think about law it's just this profound enterprise aimed at trying to as best we can create a structure for holding difficult conversations and dealing with difficult issues that can Help the society cohere overtime so funny you say that because I think of lawyers is the people who like the knowing to detail. Contractual work that. I really don't WanNa do that. I don't even WanNa talk about with them. I understand that and yet what is the purpose of that is to kind of facilitate the work that you want to do in the world you right. So it's yes. I understand that. Set the rules of the road for me and my employer about what I'm expected to do. And what they and what I can expect them to. Absolutely if you wind the lens just a little bit. This is what we do in life as professor get to. Why in the Liz? A little bit and help You know help us see the big questions and the big functions if you will of something. That seems pretty Monday often. The elements of the negligence caused action. Duty breach causation damages. Like how that really that particular as one example of what laws trying to do is really a way of looking at what what sort of the best we can offer as a society as a means to support resolving conflicts that just occur when somebody unintentionally injures another person. This is what we got you know. And it's it's iterative we try and you know Interest on it over time. That's what the common law system was about changing as we need to To take into consideration changes in the culture changes in our sense of what right and wrong is. What's the right way to deal with A particular kind of suffering changes over time whether or not to cognizant recognize a certain kind of suffering changes a society does so so the beautiful thing actually about law for me that it is you know. Is this human effort in human project that is aiming toward a kind of You know a kind of perfection if you will a kind of Making the best with what we have In response to conflict which is inevitable in human community and so For me this book was about bringing that bringing to that conversation into that profound human project something of some tiny bit or some. Some thing of what? I've been learning as I've been working to bring together. This contempt of practice said commitments. That I call mine from this Bringing that together with The particular part of law. That's that works at the intersection of racism and racial injustice as it intersects with class and gender and sex orientation and all the other sorts of `ISMs and schisms of our time but for me just working on that over time gave me a lot to do but also gave me a certain way of holding these complexities. That certainly helped me sustain in the work. Frankly I had a moment where I was GonNa Leave Law because I felt like if I couldn't do it in a way that was much more holistic. Maybe I shouldn't be doing it so it was partly me feeling my way to sustainable way of of doing this hard work but also just feeling like okay. It's helping me I can see. My students are suffering. I can see a lot of suffering in the world around this that if it's helped me maybe it might help somebody else around race and how we respond to racism racial justice questions around the role of law and all of that which has been frankly both perpetrator and hope by holes itself as being the pathway to some sort of resolution but on the other hand if we look historically at the rule of law it's been you know people rightly point to it as really one of the the kind of core forces of oppression codifying it find the injustice. Exactly codifying raise codifying higher racial hierarchy At every level Three-fifth three fits right in the constitution and so many three V Fugitive slave clause So many different places where compromises were made right at the
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on Duncan Trussell Family Hour
"All I can do it. I have a door it separates different areas in the house. So I think that's something that gets really overlooked with these people everyone's like holy shit. They knew that they said go call that person. But they don't even think about like yet. And also, they created a ripple that is continuing to move through society in a way that we don't even know where it's gonna go that to me is a is a grand miracle and. Definitely would rather have one Sharon salzberg, then a trillion chocolate potatoes. Thank you. An infinite number a sea of chocolate potatoes. Sharon, thank you so much for giving me your time. I'm very grateful to you. And and this is these moments are really special to me. And thank you very much. Thank you so much. I can't wait to see to hold the baby. Oh, I cannot wait. I get wait for the spring. And I'm gonna be this time. I'm doing the challenge. Joining in this time, I signed up last time. I didn't pull it off. This time is different. But could you please tell our listeners or the watchers potentially where they can find you can connect with you. It will website is sham cells dot com and ole intermission challenge should be very prominent on their start. I I think is a little leeway for started a little bit later, but it does start of and really it's beautiful strengthened community kind of exercise and the people get a lot of it. So. So I'm really happy. It's time girl rally got me to and I'll see you real soon. Sharon, thank you so much how to condition. Thank.
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes
"Which it's also not a bad trip from LA here. Oh, right. From New York. It's so so much farther. How far is the? How long? There's different ways you do the ten hour flight reflect on the Lulu, and then go to the other end of the airport and takes a little plane to Maui, right, or you could go to once I went to San Francisco. And I was supposed to have like a three hour delay, and that was six hours late that plane. I got to Maui, God knows what time. Oh, from young devotee from waiting for me, you know, drew. Or coming back. It's always today's. Ios do overnight overnight from Maui or overnight from Denver or someplace. That's crazy. It might be better to stop way. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. How do you do in situations like that? I've noticed since I've started now, this is what's called a leading question. We're recording home. That's okay. There's no like intro, although I should say, I'm so happy to see you. Have you see. Yeah, I'm not recording podcast a summer except special trying to make a special. I don't want you to think that I'm put out. I want you to feel about really special. I'm actually rested and happy and getting to a place where I feel like I have space to do filming you you. So that's what we only have two left. So not only when you finish an episode is done, but also all the mental energy you were using thinking about it is you can kind of release that muscle. So now I'm like, oh, I have more space for for podcast. So here's a leading question I have for you, but I think you're gonna like him. I'm leaving it somewhere. I think you'll like hopefully sin. So I got to set the other day and they were like, there's been a delay. We're not ready for an hour. And since I've gotten more serious about meditating when someone says that to me, it's actually not as bad news, whereas it used to be like, what am I gonna do now I go, can I just go sit in my trailer and I actually kind of feel like I have a little secret. I like, I get to go sit for an hour. It's you feel that at all. And if there's a delay or see how leading thank you so much. All day long. I was just waiting for you out there. I wasn't on my iphone nine. I wanna do joke right now. All you have to do a modern Buddhism, not be on your phone that you are in the west. You're leaps and bounds above anybody, but that's tell you go talk. I actually I met a lovely monk from China from he's like a kung FU master. So he's very Rick is monsters very rigorous physically and exceedingly demanding. Then he moved to LA and it has been culture shock in order to. You know, get more balance. You decided who's gonna sit for hours a day, but the way he was doing, he always sits half an hour in the morning. This is practice. But then when you had fifteen minutes heat set for fifteen minutes, five minutes for five minutes in our sit for an hour or so. And then it would accumulate, you know, it's got four hours and so I sent him Jeff, some kind of app for that said, no. I use the note section my iphone. He like actually calculated and he felt much much better. So he's trying to it's four, two, four total in a day in a day. It's interesting, you know. And then I tell Dan Harris that and he, he got inspired by and he just two, oh, it's just that way. You know where this conversation could be at out like usually just make the Sharon salzberg to steal the idea. Every time you push it, but you can do it with a time or two. Yeah, you need timer proving the idea. Master as a great technique. That works extra well in New York because you're not driving as much like you're so much trained times. And that has been my challenge since we've been here is to not be on my phone and just try to use it as meditation and you'll, I started noticing a lot of people like with is closed, and I don't know if that's it's our place. It's also a perfect place to like is open..