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10% Happier with Dan Harris
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris
"As president you possibly could be. Don't remember when sitting in this panel that people were dragging them to look at things like architecture and paintings and stuff like that. So it wasn't a beautiful, isn't it beautiful? And he said in Tibet, we believe the work of art is beautiful, depending on what happens in the mind of the creator. In creating it, did they get more enlightened did they get more wise? Did they get more compassion? And it's a beautiful work. Let me ask you in closing here the question I habitually asked, which is is there anything I should have asked you today that I didn't ask? Oh gosh, you can ask me how in the world I thought I had anything left to say that it would recognize me more than folks. When are these books coming out? One is coming out April 11th, 2023, and where it's coming out. I think sometime in October 2023. And what are they? The April 11th book is called real life because there was in the pandemic and home and Barry and I watched actually I've now watched many, many times on YouTube. This program called Saturday night Seder, which was the center of the year because no one was going anywhere. I learned a lot and it was incredibly beautiful and funny and outrageous and so I watched that year, which is the next year. Many times, but anyway, the message that reminded me of what I already knew, which was that the word Egypt symbolically means a narrow place, so symbolically, not in terms of geopolitics, which would be tricky to get into. But in terms of the symbolism, the movement of the exodus is the movement from constriction and narrowness and basically being uptight to being expansive and open. And so what does that movement? So I'd go back, of course, the Buddhism and talk about that. And since the arc of the book, and then the other book is a gift book, it's the first time I have like a little illustrated book. Will you come back on when these books come out? I would love to. They would be throwing. Thank you for doing this today. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. May all beings be loving. Thanks again to Sharon. Thank you as well to everybody who works so hard on this show. 10% happier is produced by Gabriel zuckerman, DJ Kashmir Justine Davy and Lawrence Smith and a reminder to hear my full TED Talk, check out the video on Ted dot com or head over to the ted-talks daily podcast. Wherever you're listening to this podcast, they post a new idea there every day so you can listen to some of the other great speakers from the conference and there were many. We'll see you all on Wednesday for a brand new episode. Hey, I'm gonna make a little ask here. If you like our show and you want to support the work we're doing, there are some quick and very easy things you can do to help us out. First, please leave us a 5 star rating and review. Those are really helpful. There's a reason why podcast hosts ask for them all the time. Second, please fill out a short survey over at wondery dot com slash survey these surveys really help us up our game. It's incredibly useful for us to hear directly from you the listener. So if you have time, please fill that out. And speaking of wondery because we've had some questions about
10% Happier with Dan Harris
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris
"TV, drop in. Watch free. Yeah, I consider you to be really the premier purveyor of loving kindness meditation or Metta meditation in the west. I had done some loving kindness retreats with you, but I went on one the longest one I'd ever been on with another teacher named spring wash them. And there was a moment where I realized that all of the demons, my own demons, the parts of my personality that I disliked the most and was really struggling against. I thought I was being mindful of them, but I realized when I was on this retreat, flooding the mind with this somewhat artificial warmth in other words, you know, you're repeating these phrases of maybe happy maybe healthy all day long and it can feel a little artificial, but day 7 or 8 of this, the mind is really suffused with this friendliness and I thought, you know, I was being reasonably mindful when my anger or selfishness would come up in my mind. But I realized at this key moment in this retreat that my mindfulness had this heretofore unseen aversive flick. I didn't really want to be okay with the uglier parts of my personality. But in this container where the mind was suffused, as I said, with warmth, I could see that my anger, my acquisitiveness, were really just ancient programs that were the organism trying to protect itself. And once I saw that, I started to be much easier on myself and I think that inexorably led to me being less judgmental of other people's stuff. And so that, to me, is, as I understand it, part of at least the connection between self love and other love. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, and I think what you said earlier, I think, has layers and layers and layers to it. It's like, it's hard for us to admit, even the pain of what? Some of the things we feel are evoking in us, you know? It's like, we're so trained to avoid pain and consider it sort of dishonorable. Like if we'd been in control, like we're supposed to be, it wouldn't hurt. You know, and that's just off this way off. And so to admit that we hurt, it's hard to allow kind of the presence of whatever feeling may be arising as hard. And tacking in there with it and not make it worse. Make it hurt worse by hating it, you know, and adding shame and guilt and all of those other things. And then, you know, to be able to extend, I mean, that's what's so confusing. It takes, I think, a deep exploration, and it's good of what loving kindness actually means or what love actually means. Because it can't mean succumbing, right? I'm going to love my jealousy or my pettiness or my inability to give anybody anything, you know, and my hoarding, you know? Whatever. And thereby let it triumph, you know, in real my life, that doesn't make any sense, or people ask me all the time now. Why should I have a loving kindness for somebody who doesn't even feel have the right to exist? Because of whatever race or gender or gender orientation or sexual preference or whatever. And it's a very interesting question. It's an important question. And it begins with deciding what you mean by love or loving kindness because if it means acquiescence or subjugation and extolling and praise the other when you really think they're incredibly harmful and damaging, it makes no sense. To get up earlier, even earlier in the morning, let's do 15 minutes of loving kindness practice like, why? But if it means something else to you, you know, some glimpse of a truer, deeper connection. That's just reality. Or the thing I say to myself all the time. And I say to people in response is I keep coming back to them saying in the teachings, the Buddha taught first loving kindness practice is the antidote to fear. And I say that over and over again to myself and to others. And then I think, well, if it's the answer to fear with this relationship, say my relationship to this person who's trying to define me in some way would that be enhanced by having a little less fear and it's like, yes, you know? That's a good thing. Let's go there. Something that's happened for me and I want to run this by you and see if it makes sense. The more I've practiced love and kindness, the more I've developed a sense of okay. With my own demons, the less judgmental I am of other people's demons, you know, like for me, I would say the number one most difficult person for me is Trump. And I'm not cool with some of the things he's done. I'm not acquiescing to it. But part of me can at least imagine that if I had those parents and that kind of both the nature and the nurture side, it's entirely possible I would behave in the exact same ways he has. And that's not, it doesn't feel great to contemplate that, but it feels better than blind rage. How does that sound to you? Well, I think it's better not only because it feels better, but because it's more true. It's like coming closer to the reality of life. Like we are strongly conditioned. Look at it. Infancy, you know? Helpless. It's a little baby. So subject to the actions and intentions of those around them. And it doesn't take a deep dive into looking
10% Happier with Dan Harris
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris
"Hard road. And I just know so many people who do love other people far more than they love themselves. But the imbalance is never helpful. When it's really vast. And I think at some point, we have to include ourselves. We can't leave ourselves at all together and expect that. It's going to be like a wholesome that is really going to be loved for that matter. It becomes a different kind of exchange. You know, it's much more transactional. It's much more frustrated. Why aren't you getting better? You know, I've decided you had to Tuesday and it's like 30 Monday, you know? And it doesn't have to be that way, but it's hard. You're asking these questions or as you're speaking, I keep thinking about the conditioning we have about how are we brought up to believe this is what a strong person looks like. This is what a kind of complete person looks like and accomplished and highly regarded. You know, what do you have to do? And then the further questions, you know, like, how alone are we really? It really is isolating is seems, you know? Life. Or are we connected in different ways? And so that's why we pay attention is to actually see those things. So the trope that you can't love other people until you love yourself. It's just demonstrably untrue, as you said, we all know people who are incredibly loving, even though they may be really hard on themselves. However, if I'm hearing you correctly, it's not helpful to be self loathing. In fact, you probably be even better at loving other people if you could have some inner okay Ness. Yeah, I'm sure that's true. And it would last longer and there would be fewer strings attached. I think it would be more like a kind of generosity of the spirit. Coming up Sharon talks about why she prefers the term basic okay Ness instead of basic goodness or Buddha nature, she'll also talk about love as an ability and a responsibility and our cultural confusion about how to define the word love. After this, everybody has something they look forward to in the fall. And if you're in healthcare, there's something extra exciting on the horizon. Brand new fall colors and styles from figs. If you haven't heard, figs makes the comfiest scrubs around. Their engineered
10% Happier with Dan Harris
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris
"You. So I guess what I'm trying to say here is there's this geopolitical case for you to get your shit together. And the massively empowering news is that love is not an unalterable factory setting. It is a skill that you can train. It's actually a family of skills. So that's a little bit of the talk. I would love it if you would go watch the whole thing. We put a link in the show notes. In fact, if you really want to do me a solid, you can share it as widely as possible. This idea that love both self love and other love is a skill as opposed to a factory setting is an idea that I think can have a massively positive impact if disseminated widely enough. And the person who I think has perhaps done the most of anybody in the west to promote this idea is my friend, the great meditation teacher, Sharon salzberg. So in honor of world mental health day and in honor of the launch of my TED Talk, I wanted to bring Sharon on to take a deep dive into these issues. And this conversation we talk about the definition of self hatred and why it's a widespread in the west, the real practical benefits of self compassion, whether there's a difference between self compassion and self love, why many people so fiercely resist the idea of self love, the distinction between empathy and compassion and how they work together in Buddhism. How to have love and kindness or compassion for somebody who doesn't feel we have the right to exist, reclaiming words that are often relegated to cliches such as love and happiness and how generosity makes us more whole for anybody who's unfamiliar with Sharon, here's our little bio. She's a meditation pioneer world renowned teacher and New York Times bestselling author. She was one of the first people to bring mindfulness and loving kindness meditation to mainstream American culture, about 45 years ago, inspiring generations of meditation teachers and wellness influencers, Sharon is cofounder of the insight meditation society and Barry, Massachusetts, and the author of 12 books, including The New York Times Best Seller, real happiness, now in its second
10% Happier with Dan Harris
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris
"Some of those learnings into your neurons with a meditation from the great Sharon salzberg may have heard me at times blather on about how I've come to embrace a broader definition of the very loaded and often cliche laden term of love, much of my spiel has been lifted directly from Sharon, who's done some incredible deep and important thinking on this subject and is one of the leading teachers when it comes to the flavor of meditation that science has shown can build up our capacity for love or you might just call it friendliness. In today's meditation, Sharon is going to show us how to apply these skills in all of our relationships, not just romantic ones. How do we surf the various vexations of dealing with other human beings without losing our crap or committing a homicide? Sharon's got your recipe. So here we go now with Sharon. Hi, this is Sharon Salisbury. This practice is inspired by the second section of my book real love. As we explore what real love can mean with our partners or children or parents or siblings, as well as friends, colleagues, and spiritual teachers, whomever. The very real question arises, like how do we love another skillfully? How do we take what might be our beautiful and pure intentions and find expression for them? How do we deal with loss with disappointment with hurt with fear? How do we stay honest enough? Present enough. To face those difficulties and transform them into a state of love for ourselves and for others. Not shall we do it one moment at a time. We do it through developing a different relationship through our own assumptions, our own fears, our own prior conclusions and learn to be more present in a state of interest, curiosity, and wonder. Because this practice is a more reflective practice, again, we're going to use the feeling of the breath as the touch point as the grounding for our awareness. That's where we'll begin, the feeling the sensations of the breath. That's what we're returned to periodically. And at any time, if you feel just confused or lost or overwhelmed. You certainly can just come back to the feeling of the breath. So let's begin. You can sit comfortably. See if your back can be straight without Begin with being aware of one breath. And the next. See if you can bring to mind a particular relationship. You can image this person. Maybe say their name to yourself. Get a feeling for their presence. See what comes to mind as you try to imagine one good thing about them. The most predominant good thing about them. Perhaps it's something you treasure every day anyway, perhaps it's something you don't think about very often. What are you grateful for about this person? Notice how that makes you feel. As you reflect on that. And bring your attention back to the feeling of the breath. And with this same person, see if you can call to mind something that's difficult for them in their lives. Source of conflict or sorrow. Maybe it's something you do think about periodically, a wave of compassion for them. Maybe it's something you try to avoid, or you tend to overlook. Whatever it might be, see if you can just sit there even if it's somewhat uncomfortable. And be present with them in this situation. Again, you can return your attention to the feeling of the breath. Once again, the same person is something you feel impatient about with them..
On Being with Krista Tippett
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"Dot org. I'm Krista tippett and this is on being. Today we are examining love of enemies as a rational and pragmatic move. An antidote to a consuming culture of anger that is not a way most of us want to live. We are learning from the wisdom, the mind science and the long friendship between the American Buddhist teachers Sharon salzberg and scholar Robert Thurman. He was the first American to be ordained in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition by the Dalai Lama. So talking about dealing with our enemies ultimately always leads back to inner work, doesn't it? Yeah, well, there is that tremendous irony and poignancy of life that we can't look even if we do see somebody's wrong actions and malevolent speech or whatever is coming from a place of suffering, which we do believe it is. And even if we see that, even if we perceive that, the great poignancy of life is that you can't look at somebody else and say puff, you're suffering is gone, you know? You're a better person now. You know, we don't have that kind of control. We don't have that kind of dominance. And I usually say when I'm teaching, you know, I think it would likely be a better world. If I did, if any one of us did, but we don't. And so we understand that. And we do what we can. Obviously, to change conditions and be helpful, be restorative work to try to make things different, but it's not going to be in our hands. Ultimately what we can mold much more successfully although that is also not a case of puff. Now I'm better. But we can work with ourselves with our own minds and hearts. Become really actually transformed in a real way. So just how do you start at the most basic level of talking about where that work begins? Well, for me, it would begin with mindfulness. It would begin with what we were talking about earlier, just a sense of looking because we actually don't know. We know what we've been taught that maybe vengefulness is good that love is weak. Whatever it might be, the assumptions we carry the concepts and we need to take a direct look at the entire range of our emotional landscape to know for ourselves. Is vulnerability always wrong is that kind of defensiveness always right. What is the strength of anger? It does have energy, which is fantastic. It's a great attribute, but look at that brittleness. Look at that sense of tunnel vision. You know, if you think about the last time you really, really, really angry at yourself, it's probably not also a time we think, you know, I did that great thing that very same morning. I said that really stupid thing. That's gone. Our whole sense of who we are and all that we will ever be, just collapses around that stupid thing we said. And so we look at the whole nature, the flavor of the texture of all of these states and we then use the mindfulness to really work with letting go with what we feel is bringing us down and making our life smaller and more filled with suffering and enhancing and enriching those qualities that really bring us to the reality, which is that we're all connected and that we need to care about one another and ourselves. You know, it's marvelous. Marvelous. I think physically as well as emotionally. We instinctively, I can certainly speak for myself in this recoil from the reality of feeling vulnerable or afraid, right? And so we layer, I mean, anger gets layered on top of that because it feels like a more powerful response. And then we stop being able to tell the difference ourselves, right? You don't stop knowing. I'm scared, you say I'm angry. You know, Sharon, I know one thing that you've said in different ways at different times and I just found this these were words, I think, from another interview, gave as I was getting ready to talk to you again. It's one of life's big mysteries to me. You said that we don't talk to each other about the most common things like the fact that we wake up in the morning, feeling confused and scared and full of self doubt. The miracle is when someone finally names it, that's so liberating. And I mean, really, what you're talking about is being honest and it's the most frightening thing to admit that you're afraid, but what a relief. What a relief when we can do that. Oh, absolutely. It's like me as a. 15 year old or 16 year old, I guess I was maybe 16 or 17 at that point in college, at that Asian philosophy course, you know, to hear that the Buddha said right out loud. They're suffering in life. Guess what? It's not just you. It's not something to be ashamed of. It's not something to hide or sort of seek others who are suffering to be hidden from you. It's not like that. This is part of the nature of things. And if we could just be open and truthful, as you say, and admit that, then we would find one another in that vulnerability instead of feeling so cut off and so apart. Bob, what are you thinking? What am I thinking? Yeah, and you're listening to that. Do you want to add anything? What I.
Mindfulness Meditation Podcast
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on Mindfulness Meditation Podcast
"You can find out a lot about sharing activities at sharon salzberg dot com. Thank you for being here. Sharon thank you so much. So i love that image and i love the idea of offering and i think it has. A couple of different manifestations are or different effects for one thing is a moment of pause like Let's say you're about to meditate and you've been rushing all day in your you know you're running around and then you're like leap onto the cushion. Do it in that. Same sort of energetic space of toppling forward. And it's a moment of just pause and reminding yourself that this is important to you or that you're connecting to something bigger or if you do have an image of the buddha let's say or Some inspiring image like that. Let's say it's the buddha when we look at the budo really what we're seeing is human potential which means our own potential. So it's really not kind of a You know devotion or or sense of acknowledgment. That has us feel like i'm way down here. You know In this crummy sort of life and there is exalted. Being that i must respect. It's like we look at the booth and we see ourselves because we see a living example living in you know in in that sense embodied example of someone who has actualize the human potential for wisdom vast love connection compassion. And so can we saw when we look into buddha. We really do see ourselves while we look at ourselves as it is at a level where we are seeing all beings because all beings are said to share the same potential perhaps on actualized in an awakened but are absolutely and so we take a moment and just connect to this larger sense of possibility. And so Let's say you do make some kind of offering. Let's say it's incense And then.
10% Happier with Dan Harris
What Is Lovingkindness and How to Implement It in Your Life
"How'd you describe loving kindness or meta m. e. t. t. a. practice. What is it so metta practice as opposed to just meta itself. Either or both. Well i mean say. That's even a really important distinction from me. So there's a traditional meta practice. we call it. Traditional the booted did not teach it. But it comes from. I think about five hundred. Eighty the surrey margareta so the path purification which was a commentary on the teachings of the buddha and in that we find this practice which really was made most famous by sharon salzberg. Who i know it you know. And it's a very intentional way of trying to develop loving feelings and it uses phrases where you repeat phrases. Typically may i be happy may be peaceful may be safe. May you be happy. May you be peaceful may be safe and there are many other variations on the phrases but along those lines. So they're just noticing that they are not sort of exactly prayers and they're not demands but they're sort of requests the systematic part. Besides the phrases is that we go through different categories of people starting with the self not necessarily often starting with self. Some people prefer to start with something easier like your cat. You know which is not a person. I guess but Could be helpful easy one to feel love towards so we kind of start with the easy ones and then work with our dear ones and then work with what we call neutral people just just sorta like everybody that you don't know essentially and then into difficult people and often it's just you pick one difficult person and so after you've gone through those categories repeating these phrases and kind of feeling the breath and your body feeling the breath in your heart center in the middle of the chest so you're trying to kind of connect with this feeling. Then once you go through those categories than you do a practice called radiating to sort of radiating loving kindness out to all beings ultimate land and i. I like to do that. Sort of almost geographical way imagining where i live my neighborhood and then my city and then outward around the planet and you can do the whole universe. If you're you know
On Being with Krista Tippett
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"There is a section where you were teaching shelter for the heart and mind. Which i i wrote down and it looked. It came out looking like a poem. Let's see one two three four five like an eleven line poem. I'm going to read it to you and it's simple and yet it's the i think it's in this category of what is really true I do the best i can. I try to learn from my mistakes. And the world is the world of constant change and pleasure and pain and being thanked and not being thanked all of those things and so that's where equanimity comes in as a kind of comprehension of this is the way things are. It's great it's beautiful. it's you no it like literally your words. But when i wrote them out i. I realized that it's like this complete meditation. You want to say any more about that. That feels like in some ways. It sums up so much what we've been talking about. I'll send you this thing. See it as a poem. That's so beautiful. I'm so glad. I mean i you know as you know From yourself and like many people. It's like i never know what to say emerges. And which is how. I learned to teach because when we started justify as too petrified to any of the talks and like i said we started with a month long retreat. Which meant i'm because of the way we hold retreats where your practice all day in his maybe teacher contact or questions and answers and and there's only one lecture tonight and it's like the formal talk and i couldn't do any of them because it was too scared and just headed to thirty talks which is still brings up sometimes but it was only through my later kind of development of loving kindness meditation or even the the recognition of that. I realized. oh we just here connecting. That's the nature of it. People are in here to listen to me. Impart my incredible expertise about something. You know just connecting this the important thing and it's just us here we are and that's could begin to talk since i don't usually use or whatever emerges and and so that's really beautiful. I mean it comes down so much of the time to equanimity which is really piece And certainly if i heard the word equanimity owner go would have foot. That's really bizarre. Zamin so many times. We think it means indifference. Which really doesn't it's such a A huge capacity of our hearts to see what we're going through to see what others are going through and just have this kind of perspective of various change in life and there is light in the darkness. darkness in the light. And we're not avoiding pain Because some things just hurt. It's like to mental but we're holding it in a way that it's almost like when i said earlier the awareness stronger than the visitor. It's like the love is stronger than the pain. Even you know. And and look the room. We create the environment we create. We're all of this can come and go It is. it's built of awareness. It's built of love and it's built of the sense of community that we're not so alone and and then we can really be with things in a very different way. I'll share an as you know when we first started speaking. You talked about how when you went to india for the first time as a young young as a teenager. Actually that you felt if you had to describe how you felt are perceived yourself who'd be fragmented and You know here. You are fifty years later and leave crave you've been able to help so many people get centered and concentrated as you say that creep touch that equanimity which which opens real world possibility. I something else. That i i realized when i was at the rim. Retreat is in a lot of what's happening now. Is people telling stories. Mira by bush telling stories and jack cornfield and trudy telling stories and kind of now. You're this elder melter of the there's now lineage and you know i started. I thought what an incredible thing incredible phenomenon in our time. I really believe that a hundred years from now for what we survive. You know this spiritual tradition landing in western culture and help being an agent of transformation will be something people will see. And what an amazing thing that you you are. You are one of the three people who really kicked this off now. It is really. It's amazing an unbelievable like everything you know you have a life lived. Step step-by-step like people often referring to jacker. Joseph benign beginning. I'm asked they say are you must have had such vision. You must have courage. And i said well not really you know i was twenty three years old. A our mantra literally was we can always close new year. Wants to come. We can always close new year. Couldn't you know we had no money. We raised fifty thousand dollars. The fathers of the blessed sacrament. Because it was in initiate kevin's a fifty thousand dollar mortgage couldn't get a bank to give us a mortgage. That part of the story is so beauty is we couldn't do it. So these three people went to the bank themselves and got personal loans so that we could open the place and so they weren't very happy when we do closing a year is all their money. And so Know somebody's father gave him a car that said we had a car and is that kind of life and we just didn't know and we did one step and then the next step when we made lots of mistakes and we discussed everything which is not a fascinating aspect of shall. We have buddhist statues. I don't know you know the buddhist sikh british the british charter way of life what if it makes some people uncomfortable but on the other hand there is a tradition. There's a lineage. you know. I didn't make it up. You didn't make it up. You know so. Everything was up for grabs. And that's where i felt when you were talking about. The retreat did with joseph. It's like oh. I felt echo. That time you know here we are again like what's it gonna look like. What are we gonna do. Yeah it's wonderful. I'm really grateful for you. And i'm grateful for i m s and i hope i want the world to progress so that i can come back there. Oh i'm sure it will have actually a lot of confidence okay. Good jane goodall told me she also has confidence that we'll we'll get together again. And so i thought well she's also she's lived a long time blessings to you. Thank you so much for doing this and making time and thank you for being with me this year. Oh we'll say new so much really great to hear your voice..
On Being with Krista Tippett
"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"Hong and my spiritual homeland is christianity. That's where he grew up. That's my language and that's also like my language of prayer and and yet put his practice has just been very as such an incredibly important part of my life and and the and the insights and the language the vocabulary all these things. We've been talking about something. I did not expect and i was invited by people. I loved. who just kept saying this. This this retreat with ramda's is incredible. I mean it was happening twice a year And went and something i did. Not expect is that is to is that it. It pointed at actually the hindu roots of buddhism Which i was more familiar with. And how ramdas to me became this bridging figure because he talked about god all the time and some and and i and it was also the experience of this of these deep deep connections that i hadn't made even as i had been able to connect these traditions in my life. Now i just want to share that. I knew you were there. Because i i watched the videos. Oh and i said oh look at that and you know chris sorry. I miss them. I used to go all the time. But he was at my first retreats by known him since january nineteen seventy-one and It's interesting. I was talking to somebody about him because He he often struggled with the idea of not having a lineage and being sort of amalgam you know character of all these different influences and i was realizing that he was as often hear often was. He was the pioneer. Because we're all kind of like that You know in in some ways without losing the distinction or the the actual practices of whatever. We're we're committed to but all kind like that these days. Yeah i mean his. We all wear these bracelets which got us into lunch. Love serve remember love. people serve people. Remember god i could've been the motto of my sunday schools growing here. Yeah yeah what. An amazing in these in the sense in which you and i are speaking. It is an amazing time to be alive. Mazing things. we're learning I do wanna touch a bit on. You know your your new book is real change and the connection. You're making that. I also feel is really organically revealing itself in a new way in this young century between inner life and outer presence in the world. i i i would say like you know that that buddhist tradition cultivated this contemporary of heart and his and this and and is now kind of pointing at the psychological and almost the cosmic possibilities of and the and the and the practical public live possibilities of cultivated inner life of human beings. And you said somewhere really. An interview gave this year. One of the weirdest results of meditation is a powerful sense of connection to talk. But it's everything isn't it. I mean it's really where you're going with this now and i think where a lot of people are going with this. Yeah it's weird you know just because on the face of such a solitary activity like you might be all alone. You might be sitting. There is closed but this profound truth to interconnection that gets revealed. You know and it's not because we're superimposing. The idea like. I have to see it that way. But that's what we see. You know we. We do see that as a loan as we might feel that our lives are really intertwined. I mean we do a lot of different ways. We can do through reflection like if i was going into a company or an organization to teach. I always would ask how many other people need to be doing their job while few to do your job while Because we feel like oh it's just me but really what's the truth like i was talking to a medical on the head of a medical practice not too long ago and he said you know who. I'm really appreciating in a whole new way is the cleaning staff and you think well. Yeah you know like look at how many people we rely on our when i teach loving kindness practice. One of the categories classically is a neutral person. Somebody we don't like just like very much and tell you send out for wishes for happiness. Yes so we might be silent feeding phrases like maybe happy maybe healthy Just to sort of acknowledge them and young wish them well and and probably for forty five years when we talk about that neutral person. My colleagues and i would say like a checkout person in the supermarkets. The kind of prison. You look through. Couldn't care less about you. Know i heard myself say that a whoops look fat you know. How do we think we get to eat right. Well right and that's where you feel in. So many ways that some of the fundamental experience of twenty twenty has been shedding light on these elemental spiritual realities of that. The ground many feet is never more Is never a solid as we think it is. Also this that This way it forced us to think about what is essential and non essential and how that cast a whole new light on All kinds of people around us who we weren't paying attention to oh absolutely and you can also see the rupture that's the place of the rupture it's like. I do a lot of work in general with what we might call caregivers you know kind of on the front lines are suffering and often these days. It's been medical personnel. And and i was doing this program for like emt people. An ambulance drivers and i asked the organizers will what would be helpful you think. And she'd say there are some angry. They see people walking around without masks and they're so angry. And i think well yeah you know like if i were in that position i might look at somebody and think ten more days. You know your life can be in my hands and my life could be in your hands and it's the missing of that. It's just where. I think we see the rupture but for so many other people. There's a growing appreciation in a very real sense of that. When i left new york city which was in mid march. Just because i thought doesn't feel really good here..
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"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"Way. sharon. Salzberg is co-founder of the insight meditation society in bari massachusetts find her upcoming virtual offerings at her website. Sharon salzberg dot com. Her newest book is real change. Mindfulness to heal ourselves and the world beyond being project is located on dakota land are lovely theme. Music is provided composed by zoe keating and the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is cameron. King corn on being is an independent nonprofit production of the on being project. It is distributed to public radio stations. Wnyc studios created the show at american public media. Funding partners include the fetzer institute helping to build the spiritual foundation for a loving world. Find them at fetzer dot org. Kelly pay foundation dedicated to reconnecting ecology culture and spirituality supporting organizations and initiatives that uphold a sacred relationship with life on earth. learn more at calia. Pia dot org the osprey foundation a catalyst for empowered healthy and fulfilled lives the charles coke institutes courageous collaborations initiative discovering an elevating tools to cure intolerance and bridge differences the lilly endowment and indianapolis based private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion community development and education and the ford foundation working to strengthen democratic values reduce poverty and injustice promote international cooperation and advance human achievement worldwide on being is produced on studios in minneapolis ms..
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"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"I'm krista this is on being today. Was sharon salzberg a wise and calming presence in our world and a leading teacher of buddhist insight. Who's been helpful to me and many in this year of pandemic and rupture you wrote this This piece for the on being blog a few years ago called what to do when you're paralyzed by overwhelm. And actually that thing has continues to go around the world that essay everything has eternal life And you actually confessed to. Well i wanna. I wanna read beautiful paragraph from that the way the world bruises us as we make our way through life can weigh us down clouding. Our minds can also be the concerns of everyday life the crises we anticipate and those we are experiencing in the present on top of that. There is oh at this too. There is the news blaring at us for manifold directions and in the eyes of many much of the news is bad. We all have staggered home overwhelmed by the world and slumped on the couch unable or unwilling to do anything to correct this collapse. You kind of owned in that piece that that we talk fight or flight But also there's the places. Rain goes but another posture related to those in other alternative. The brain gives us just freeze and that actually is kind of a place ugo. Yeah that's my favorite place to come on favorite place not anymore but you know you segment the hindrances and i took to bed sleepiness or sluggishness you know that would be a much stronger pattern from me much stronger habit for me then agitation say for example. You know agreed. It's not that prevalent obviously experience it. But you know. I would say if i have a primary. Go to motive avoiding. What is it would be that kind of freezing or is the same as a sort of sleepy numb out. Split of quality and So i was very happy when stress psychologists and researchers Added that. I thought oh this me you know that this much more than the others. That's interesting yeah. You know you talked about the visitors. And there's there's resonance with you know how you teach about living with these hindrances like seeing them Answering the door as he said Which is a spiritual discipline and practice because it just doesn't come naturally and yeah it doesn't and there's not only a kind of humility in it but there's such a teaching which also doesn't come naturally for many of us about being kind to yourself i think about i think a hat in california and And i was doing this program somewhere and there's a psychologist present in the room. Who's said the brain filled with shame cannot learn and i resonated with that and it's also it's so complex because here. We are in many ways. In great moral reckoning you know with issues of race and so on an inequality and injustice and how to navigate that terrain in a way. That's actually going to produce change you know and just spiraling down into like a cycle of shame. Yeah that may leave us. Inert and so intricate like really determining toured understanding and change and honesty about one's own frailties or mistakes or tendencies or whatever it might be an understanding that shame may not actually be corrective path. That kind of being mired in shame know being overwhelmed by may not be a corrective path. Yeah that's another example of it. Sounds like a moral move. And i think i think inside us. It feels like it. I mean it's it's okay. Maybe not in the right direction. But in fact it doesn't get us where we wanna go Yeah there's some place I just want to read this to you because it. So i think this is something you said in one of the in the retreat that i wrote down he said the patterns inside mir like weather patterns and that you you've come to accept that my inner world has its own inherent weather patterns as does the external world the recognition that i'm not in control and that and that gray days don't mean i've done anything wrong that all the ups and downs lights darks are part of who i am Part of who we are so just feel like that's helpful in also not attaching too much significance to every bad day Yeah and we can be so harsh with ourselves like once. I talked to a student and she was saying i should be better. I should have more equanimity. It should be calmer. I don't know why. I'm so upset. And i said well i'd really like you to write down everything that's happened to you this year. This was a long time ago. That's happened she. This year chose to draw it out instead of writing it. And as i to take a look at this your cat died. Your house burnt down here. You know you've had a hell of year. This is hard. It's hard but i think it's true what you said on every level from the most immediate and direct to the biggest biggest level. It's like We talk about equanimity in buddhism. It can sound really boring and and something like indifference. But it's not it's being able to hold everything the dark and the light and having a mind and heart big enough and spacious enough to hold it all and i recently had this experience reflecting an earlier experience. I had where i gone to parkland florida. Not too long after the shooting. Teach and Someone in the room Raise your hand and she said. I've feel really weird because i'm having an incredible experience like about mindfulness and practicing meditation and being with you and i know the only reason it's happening is because that horrible thing happened and answers. I don't have to get over that to be with this. And i said i don't know if we ever get over it so much as we learned to hold them both at once and i recently saw her When i was doing these panels and she was on panels. And and i said do you remember that conversation. We have and she said not only remember it. I think of it every single day and that we can learn to hold it all at once and she used the word equanimity. Because that's what i had used and even though it's a little bit on term for us and she talked about you know the in yang symbol where the dark is in the light and the light is also implicit in the dark. And that's really our our task is to somehow be able to hold it all in a way that.
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"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"I so value that i feel actually gets It's not often enough pointed at which is the incredible sophistication of buddhist psychology. So you know. The language of mindfulness gets thrown around. And of course there are meditation practices. But but there's also this incredible analysis of what it means to be human and as you said the how to like how to connect actually the very complicated and messy reality of how we are with our highest spiritual teachings and moral aspirations and the hindrances And there's other language in other traditions. I mean you know. I think in some ways. Maybe the christianity group with the language of sin. But would you just kind of explained that and what that how. We can work with that something that i found kind of reassuring about buddhism is that with a british. Teaching is that it starts with the problem. You know some people are they find it disenchanting because they would rather talk about unliberated state than and the possibility of that than the fact that i'm angry from morning to light or whatever you know one's experiences boroughs like that and i felt from the first time that i heard that teaching which was in january nineteen seventy-one. It's not just me and that clearly have been a pattern my life thinking it's just me it's just me. It has a family that looks like this is just me. That has all these secrets you know but my father just me and so when i heard that the buddha talked about these mind states i thought it's not just me look at that and so it's the same kind of way of being liberated So there are these five states. The colts hindrance is not because they bad to feel but because when we get lost in them they tend to give us tunnel vision and cut off our options and imprison us in some way. It's like the futility of misplaced. Hope faith when you think affected only you know push against us enough. It's going to go away. Yeah with anger affecting ali hold on tightly enough to this will never change with with grasping so They're kind of almost adaptive states. Gone awry or something that they're not bad but all they're kind of survival mechanisms there how we live especially through our chart very huts there. They were strengths at some point but then they don't service anymore which is also something. We'll talk about if we ever go to therapy right. Yeah this right. I think it's really true so you don't have to think of it. You know disgusting habit or anything but it's it is something when may not wanna be using every single time when faces adversity because there other options that will actually make us happier so they're grasping the first one holding on attachment not attachment in the current western psychological sense but really clinging and almost refusing to let things or people are ourselves change an aversion which is the second one. It's anger or fear and in the british psychology. Those are considered the same mind state just different forms. Anger being the expressive out flowing energized form and fear being the held in frozen imploding form of striking out against what's happening trying to declare it to be untrue and then there's sleepiness which is really a kind of Numbness you know. It's like maybe when you face a challenge your first instinct is. I think i'll take a nap. You know not just wrap myself in this cloak of oblivion and not have to feel so much and then there's the energetic opposite of that which is restlessness which is agitation anxiety Guilt interestingly enough worry things like that and then the last one is doubt. That's really fascinating because there's some kinds of doubt which are considered just priceless than really important like insisting on knowing for yourself what's true not just believing somebody else and questioning and wondering there other kinds of doubt which are more like what we would close cynicism. It's like not even trying to find out or look right something more deeply just stand aside and scoff at or something and and it's not helpful so those are the five hindrances which we see again and again and again in our own minds After a short break more. Was sharon salzberg. My longer unedited conversation with her. Is well worth a listen. Find that as always the on being podcast feed wherever podcasts are found.
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"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"One is set. This idea of visiting forces It is because in visiting forces that we suffer would you would you kind of that into context and drop what that what that is and what the implications of it are kind of also living off anytime but certainly our time. Yeah those a very important image for me out of the buddhist teaching where he said The mind your mind my mind is naturally radiant and pure the mind is shining is because the visiting forces that we suffer and there are a couple of things one is that these forces visiting greed hatred jealousy fear they're not inherently intrinsically who we are but they visit and they may visit a lot. I may visit nearly incessantly. But they're still only visiting and then the buddha statement it's because the visiting forces that we suffer he didn't say it's because of visiting forces that were terrible people or awful or we're not good enough for anything we might say to ourselves because of visiting forces that we suffering and that's been so crucially important to me all along since one thousand nine hundred seventy one is that grid so to speak by which we evaluate ourselves and others is not good and bad or right and wrong it suffering in the end of suffering like what increases suffering with deepens it for ourselves and for others certain forces certain actions and habits of mind and what leads us to the end of suffering the sense of connections of isolation clarity instead of confusion. And that's how it's a look at so it's not like you get mean to yourself you know or or rejecting when you see one of these forces so i just loved the image and right away i could see myself sitting happily at home minding ma'am business and here knock at the door so i get up and they opened up and there's fear there's shame there's jealousy and either fling open the door and say welcome home. It's all yours totally forgetting who actually lives here for you know a as we often to like. I try to shut the door. Desperately pretend they never heard the knock and somehow the force comes in the window or down the chimney it appears and so. I often think of them as the skill one learns in meditation. Practice is what do you do for the door. And can you remember who lives there. Can you recognize okay. This is what's visiting. It is a visitor if i get lost in it or overcome by it. It will cause suffering. You know doesn't make me bad will cause suffering. How am i can relate to it and so there's presence balances compassion is even hospitality. That's part of it. You know in some traditions. They have a teaching where they basically say. Invite that visitor in for meal. Don't let him have the run of the house because as dangerous. But you don't have to be so afraid you don't have to be ashamed of these things that arise you actually couldn't stop them and so use your energy for something you can do which is deal differently and you think about how many times even just isolation it's only me only me that feels this and has cut off we get from others and how difficult that makes things and if we can even just disentangle. That would be a lot happier. Yeah you you said also somewhere feel the pain of it. Rallying the disgrace of it in. Isn't that interesting to realize that. That's also where we go with these systems. It's disgraceful it. Shouldn't be feeling this way. And how how small. And silly. I am to go there and that just stops. Everything doesn't it. I just had a memory. I think the very first time. I was going to talk to you for speaking. I said something like Something i don't understand is why having less having less financially or economically should be a humiliating thing And that you know to be a certain status or whatever we then add humiliation like you're not good enough rather than you know. Life is taking this course. Or you now There's a worldwide recession or depression. You've lost your job. Yes you don't have enough but you'll lesser human being and so that sense of disgrace or humiliation. Which is i think. Part of the cultures premium on being in control at all times of all things is never in touch with reality. Now we're in nothing. I'm christopher tibet and this is being today. Was sharon salzberg their renowned teacher a buddhist practices. And really what we're getting at here. So.
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"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"Of the things that i've heard you say across the years and i think have never taken it in so gratefully and it has never been so helpful before The healing is in the return. Not in not getting lost in the beginning but dances such a really fat is such liberation. I think it's powerful. Because i actually think it's true. You know like when. I started meditation like most of us. I had a different idea of success. And what it looked like in that you'd be very much about accumulation. Like if i could be with two breaths in the beginning with that my mind wandering then surely by today i should be with eight and then tomorrow should be with fifteen and then eventually my mind wandering. I found that the most unbelievable thing that that wasn't the point that learning how to let go more gracefully was the point learning how to start over with some compassion for yourself instead of judging yourself so harshly. That was the point. And it's so funny. 'cause it's like really you're like less than one on one for me and it's one in life too and it's the most precious thing i use it every day. You know. it's still the most significant thing i've ever learned from meditation and that i use it every single day because we do we have to start over and kind of do course correction or pick up if we fallen down like every day frustrating but this is true but there's something about accepting it and even accepting it as a gift That the kind of does what you also Are so clear is that we can't change Often the conditions or circumstances that are immediately in front of us but we can change our relationship to our experience of them and that that can change everything.
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Meditation Teacher Sharon Salzberg Explains Her Saying, 'The Healing Is In The Return'
"Of the things that i've heard you say across the years and i think have never taken it in so gratefully and it has never been so helpful before The healing is in the return. Not in not getting lost in the beginning but dances such a really fat is such liberation. I think it's powerful. Because i actually think it's true. You know like when. I started meditation like most of us. I had a different idea of success. And what it looked like in that you'd be very much about accumulation. Like if i could be with two breaths in the beginning with that my mind wandering then surely by today i should be with eight and then tomorrow should be with fifteen and then eventually my mind wandering. I found that the most unbelievable thing that that wasn't the point that learning how to let go more gracefully was the point learning how to start over with some compassion for yourself instead of judging yourself so harshly. That was the point. And it's so funny. 'cause it's like really you're like less than one on one for me and it's one in life too and it's the most precious thing i use it every day. You know. it's still the most significant thing i've ever learned from meditation and that i use it every single day because we do we have to start over and kind of do course correction or pick up if we fallen down like every day frustrating but this is true but there's something about accepting it and even accepting it as a gift That the kind of does what you also Are so clear is that we can't change Often the conditions or circumstances that are immediately in front of us but we can change our relationship to our experience of them and that that can change everything.
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"sharon salzberg" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett
"Are been in conversation which sharon salzberg since this show began in the thick of pandemic isolation and racial reckoning. I invited her mull over the matter of being alive and finding meaning amidst rupture she is one of the most esteemed teachers of meditation in the world and she's credited as one of the founding three who introduced buddhist practices into mainstream western culture in the nineteen seventies. it's psychological acuity contemporary of depths and practical tools for living sharon helps far-flung people apply these in everyday life and at extreme edges of reality. She's had a sustained presents to the families of parkland florida since the school shooting there and what i have gained from her continues to resonate now as i reflect backwards and look ahead. How do we continue to walk forward and even find renewal along the way what sustains us how to hold onto a sense of what is whole and true and undamaged even in the face of loss. These questions anchored a virtual retreat. I signed up for in twenty twenty. Was sharon called shelter for the heart and mind. It was at once grounding and energizing and has accompanied me through all of the highs and lows that have followed and have yet to come. She is a master at revealing the interwovenness and the how to of caring for the world while learning kindness towards ourselves and equanimity as a.
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"sharon salzberg" Discussed on Mindfulness Meditation Podcast
"Here indestructible truth and it is in the shape of kind of thunderbolt and this is a weapon carried by the In drought and as thunderbolt weapon destroys enemies and really is maintaining the symbol of being indestructible all penetrating. The bell represents wisdom and emptiness. So if you think about the sound of the bell it might call to mind the empty nature of all things as the sound kind of through and this is also connecting us to this idea that nothing can exist independently that everything is connected and that by being aware of the empty amer connected nature of all things. This frees us from attachment and version so to talk to us a little bit more about the connection between the ages and what they have to do with our practice. I am delighted to bring on sharon salzberg. Who is the co founder of insight. Meditation society and barry massachusetts. She's guided meditation retreats worldwide since nineteen seventy four and. Her latest book is real change. Mindfulness to heal ourselves in the world. And of course you know her as the author of many many wonderful books real happiness. Something more you can find out about her many activities and offerings at sharon salzberg dot com. Sharon welcome back. It's so nice to be here with you. Thank you so much. I am so delighted to be with you. All and i'm really happy. You know that the rubin museum is going to continue having online offerings and in different ways. Because i keep hearing from people. Some of you in the chad. I get emails from people saying they can't actually travel that easily and so We get to have really expanded community One way or another and and course for those of you who can get to the physical location. It's very exciting prospect of going back. So i'm compassion We spoke about compassion as being both a means at an end. Which makes it very interesting that it's equality that is enlivening and enlightening all in and of itself. We need to develop it in order to become free and one of the great characteristics of a free mind not bound to old habit and old fears and a sense of rigid separation. Things like that is compassion itself. In so as i've said here. I think several times. I've often thought the idea of path is almost two linear because we think of it as like a maybe it's got curving it but it's basically a straight line and You don't think about going back to the beginning so keep trying to imagine what the shape is actually a my most recent sort of speculation was like a double helix if we still believe that about dinning jeans. I'm not even sure but That there's some woven quality to wisdom and compassion that brings us together unites different times that That idea i think is very important. Whatever visualization we. We come to because i'm compassionate like our friends. It's accompanying us along this way because first of all that quality of self compassion when we begin to see various traits or habits within ourselves sometimes very pleasant and we can just go down that path of judging ourselves to meeting ourselves which is not useful in. It's it's not productive We need to be able to.
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"sharon salzberg" Discussed on Mindfulness Meditation Podcast
"Of dividend with this journey towards enlightenment which exposed the steps in the journey of suck knowledge and transformation from chaos to a weakening and everything in between a monthly teams have been inspired from this exhibition. And this month. We've been discussing the p.m wisdom today. We'll have a look at a work of art from a collection healed a brief dog from teachers sharon salzberg and then have a shot set of fifteen to twenty minutes for the meditation by before we bite our teacher who today. that's look at the artwork. We have you heaping in mind pin of wisdom. We're looking at this beautiful sculpture on notice. Mandla of abacha. The origin of this artwork is from eastern india and is dated from the twelfth century. Notice manas count among the most fascinating objects of esoteric protest art these three dimensional representations of a spannis typically feature adidi at the center of the flat that stands adopt a deal stem. Would that duties retinue on the hinch battles around him. All the sculptures mechanical hinges allow these petals to close around central duties. That sculpture resembles of now. But bulloch laura's with its roots in muddy water dresses above the month to gloom clean and region. It is commonly symbol of purity however alluded guinness ablaze. Not for rising about the money to blue require In oneself in the practice and in the protest teachings so along with purity a notice also represents faith a blue nautilus usually represents the perfection of wisdom and is associated with the film industry on the other hand. Red notice you'd have to send compassion while a gold. Lotus represents enlightenment. When looking at this beautiful masterpiece we can focus energies and emotions towards building a stronger and find yourself the beautiful flower with its multiple. Representation shows us. How often can help us. Grew into out of money. Dame's to use wisdom and compassionate and find the time. Let's welcome teacher today. Sharon salzberg sheridan is the co founder of the insight. Meditation society in bah massachusetts. And she's guided. Meditation retreats worldwide since nineteen seventy four shines. Latest book is real change. Mindfulness to heal ourselves and the world which is available for purchase at the shop. Choose also the.
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Kryptonite for the Inner Critic With Kristin Neff
"Nice to sue they you for doing this. I've been wanting to talk to you for a while. Actually because i've actually writing a book about kindness right now and i wanna do a chapter about self compassion. So you are the you are the leading experts so before we get to sell compassion. Though i wanna. I wanna hear how you got interested in meditation in the first place right so It was my last year graduate school. I was finishing up my phd at berkeley and basically my life was a mess. I'd gotten out of a divorce. It was a very messy divorce. I was feeling a lot of shame. I'm and i was also feeling a lot of stress not so much about what i finish my phd. But more after seven years of my life. When i get a job the job market was really tight. And so i thought you know. Well i've heard that meditation is is good for stress in berkeley. So right down. The street from me was a meditation group. I was lucky every right down every street. Yeah in berkeley so that you know on every corner but luckily the one. I chose to go to The woman leaving the group it was actually a tick not han sanga reason. It's important is because some meditation teachers. Mindfulness bennett teachers wouldn't necessarily talk about self compassion tic time one thing that's unique about him. He's really emphasizes heart qualities of practice. Vietnamese zen master doesn't talk a lot about compassion. Full stop is but he does in particular right and so i started in his tradition And the very the very first night. I went the woman talked about having compassion for yourself the needed to actively cultivate compassion for yourself as well as others and so i was also learning mindfulness but because my life was such a mess because i was such a mess you know almost immediately i saw the difference it made when i turn myself with this kind of kind. Warm supportive attitude. I just saw my own experience really made a difference. So and then i started practicing more in the insight meditation tradition. I think because. I am a scientists it. It was a little more compatible with my Way of approaching things. But with people like jack cornfield the path with heart. Sharon salzberg loving kindness. So i was always i was always really drawn to the integration of you might say the spaciousness of mindfulness with the heart opening qualities of compassion and i was fortunate because it was their practice from the very beginning and that was about twenty years ago. Let me just jump in and define terms for people. Yes i i just never know. We have a lot of experienced meditators who listen for new folks who are coming every week in once you start to meditate. There are lots of ways to lots away within buddhism. There are. I would say at least two big skills. We're trying to teach. One is mindfulness which is put simply the ability not to be around by your emotions. The other is compassion. Or if you're if you're afraid as. I am of gooey words. You can just re translate that into friendliness. Just exactly cooler. Calmer nicer attitude toward external and internal phenomena can replace would cooler with warmer sure. I mean i know jimmy but fair enough so it sounds like you pivoted from the initial zen tradition into what's known as the insight tradition which is just another form of buddhist meditation. It's actually the school. I've trained in and right stumbled upon teachers like jack cornfield. Sharon salzberg both of whom have written a lot about yes. Mindfulness again just being able to be non-judgmental aware of stuff compassion which is adding in the notch just non-judgmental aware but having a certain element of warmth in the awareness and so so the mindfulness is aimed holding experience in a non judgmental manner so the compassion is aimed holding the experience in a friendly manner and so they have slightly different targets and so both need to be practiced that can actually almost appear to conflict. Sometimes because you accept your experience as it is including the fact that it's painful at the same time that you wishing yourself well and you want to help. And so it almost forms a bit of a paradox. Actually one of the scenes we like to say is we give ourselves compassion not to feel better but because we feel bad so you have to allow the experience to be as it is at the same time as toward the experience. Because you're friendly because you care you do what you can to help. So one paradox is since sara restate that and i'm also thinking that there may be yet. Another paradox probably won paradox. Is you in mindfulness meditation. We are not trying to control anything. We're just trying to see things as they are right. See clearly insight. The clear seeing of whatever's happening so that it doesn't own us right but in this case All when you add in the compassion layer you're trying to Notice that they're suffering there and you're not trying to alleviate it per se you're just sending warmth toward the suffering as it is trying to manipulate your experience because if you use compassion to try to make the pain go away. It's actually just another form of resistance so you have to fully accept the fact that this was painful this hurt. You know mess the mindfulness validating accepting the fact that this is really painful right now
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Dan Harris On How To Keep Your Sanity Right Now
"Today's guest is one of my favorites, ABC News journalist author of ten percent happier and meditation for fidgety skeptics Dan Harris. He's got a great and very funny way of turning ancient wisdom into useful everyday tools for staying sane. Today. We talk about election sanity or lack thereof, and he shares some great trainable mental skills and practices that can give us a bit of a boost right now. I for one really need it. My favorite new phrase is hugging the Dragon. You'll know why when he describes it later in the show now here's Dan. Dan. It's so great to have you back on tangled today. Thanks for me. Yeah. In preparing for this interview, I was looking back at an interview. You did. Let's see Sharon Salzberg Joanna. And David Gillis from the New York Times it was in two thousand sixteen and it was so interesting because you we're talking about the election and how is one of the most difficult elections? Any of US had ever experienced and we're told unlike Sharon's advice was not to catastrophes and to stay in the present moment and as devastating as things are right now I had to laugh a little bit because. Things did get pretty catastrophic over these last four years and certainly feel that way now and I wanted to understand from you what are you feeling right now and what is your advice as a journalist and also a mindfulness expert what are you telling people right now to keep their sanity while there's so many things say about this in no particular order, there are a bunch of things that I would recommend. To keep your sanity I call them the Pantheon no brainers, and notwithstanding the fact that I'm a meditation evangelist. A meditation fundamentalist. So I don't think you can meditate all of your problems way. I think in terms of having a holistic approach to being sane and happy and flourishing there are some obvious moves including meditation but also getting enough sleep. Exercise or movement. Access to nature positive relationships in your life having social contact, which has been deeply undervalued nutrition. Work or just meaningful even if your day job isn't meaningful, having meaningful volunteer work having some purpose in your life. So those are just some obvious science backed recommendations. I would add on to other things for right now one is titrate your news consumption. And I say this as a new professional and somebody who believes that we need to be aged and informed citizens who vote and who do what we can to advance the policies that we care about but you don't want to get so sucked into your twitter feed that you're useless. And then the final thing I'd say is that I suspect we'll talk more about this but we've been over on my podcast ten percent happier we've been. Doing a special series of episodes about a specific kind of meditation that in my view could be really helpful right now, which is a kind of meditation that was not a fan of that. I heard about it seemed very, very syrupy but a set of practices known as the Brahma, the horrors or the divine abodes that are basically training up our capacity to be loving. So I, want you to talk a little. Bit More about that because I certainly think this and there are four particular skills that we cultivate with those practices and I want to understand how you are using the practices personally to manage your feelings and also you have to be on guard with the news every minute ensure you're getting instant messages and phone calls and it's nonstop. So that's an extreme situation compared to the rest of us who have to titrate. Or reading the paper. How do you implement these practices to feel more sane in your day? Will let me just say about news consumption. Yes. I am in the Biz but one thing that's been really helpful I just turned off all my notifications. So if there is something where the office needs to reach me, they'll call me or text me but beyond that I'm deciding when I'M TUNING And I'm not here to say that I'm somehow perfect in that I never compulsively check. Van Bored or lonely or hungry or tired than I can definitely fall into doom scrolling or whatever it is. So perfection is not on offer here, but we can yet marginally better through just being delivered about it and just setting some boundaries I think turning up notifications is huge. And then also just using your capacity for mindfulness self-awareness to see like how's it going on our number three on twitter? How do you feel and using that as a good feedback for whether you should continue or maybe do something else?
Untangle
Dan Harris On How To Keep Your Sanity Right Now
"Today. We talk about election sanity or lack thereof, and he shares some great trainable mental skills and practices that can give us a bit of a boost right now. I for one really need it. My favorite new phrase is hugging the Dragon. You'll know why when he describes it later in the show now here's Dan. Dan. It's so great to have you back on tangled today. Thanks for me. Yeah. In preparing for this interview, I was looking back at an interview. You did. Let's see Sharon Salzberg Joanna. And David Gillis from the New York Times it was in two thousand sixteen and it was so interesting because you we're talking about the election and how is one of the most difficult elections? Any of US had ever experienced and we're told unlike Sharon's advice was not to catastrophes and to stay in the present moment and as devastating as things are right now I had to laugh a little bit because. Things did get pretty catastrophic over these last four years and certainly feel that way now and I wanted to understand from you what are you feeling right now and what is your advice as a journalist and also a mindfulness expert what are you telling people right now to keep their sanity while there's so many things say about this in no particular order, there are a bunch of things that I would recommend. To keep your sanity I call them the Pantheon no brainers, and notwithstanding the fact that I'm a meditation evangelist. A meditation fundamentalist. So I don't think you can meditate all of your problems way. I think in terms of having a holistic approach to being sane and happy and flourishing there are some obvious moves including meditation but also getting enough sleep. Exercise or movement. Access to nature positive relationships in your life having social contact, which has been deeply undervalued nutrition. Work or just meaningful even if your day job isn't meaningful, having meaningful volunteer work having some purpose in your life. So those are just some obvious science backed recommendations. I would add on to other things for right now one is titrate your news consumption. And I say this as a new professional and somebody who believes that we need to be aged and informed citizens who vote and who do what we can to advance the policies that we care about but you don't want to get so sucked into your twitter feed that you're useless. And then the final thing I'd say is that I suspect we'll talk more about this but we've been over on my podcast ten percent happier we've been. Doing a special series of episodes about a specific kind of meditation that in my view could be really helpful right now, which is a kind of meditation that was not a fan of that. I heard about it seemed very, very syrupy but a set of practices known as the Brahma, the horrors or the divine abodes that are basically training up our capacity to be loving. So I, want you to talk a little. Bit More about that because I certainly think this and there are four particular skills that we cultivate with those practices and I want to understand how you are using the practices personally to manage your feelings and also you have to be on guard with the news every minute ensure you're getting instant messages and phone calls and it's nonstop. So that's an extreme situation compared to the rest of us who have to titrate. Or reading the paper. How do you implement these practices to feel more sane in your day? Will let me just say about news consumption. Yes. I am in the Biz but one thing that's been really helpful I just turned off all my notifications. So if there is something where the office needs to reach me, they'll call me or text me but beyond that I'm deciding when I'M TUNING And I'm not here to say that I'm somehow perfect in that I never compulsively check. Van Bored or lonely or hungry or tired than I can definitely fall into doom scrolling or whatever it is. So perfection is not on offer here, but we can yet marginally better through just being delivered about it and just setting some boundaries I think turning up notifications is huge. And then also just using your capacity for mindfulness self-awareness to see like how's it going on our number three on twitter? How do you feel and using that as a good feedback for whether you should continue or maybe do something else?
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Try This Meditation Before You Try to Change the World
"Hi This is Sharon. Loving. Kindness Meditation for ourselves. is a powerful way to deepen our inner strength. If we grow the sense of self respect to start with. It will allow us to draw boundaries. Responds unfair treatment. And, join with others in a sense of common cause. Let's begin. Sit comfortably. Relax. Can Close. Your eyes if you feel comfortable. We begin by actively taking delight in our own goodness. Think of a good quality that is alive within you. May Be a very small thing, but bring it to mind now. Than silently repeat phrases. That reflects what we would wish most deeply for ourselves. Using traditional phrases like. Man Live in safety. May Be Safe. Have Mental Happiness. Which is peace enjoy May Have Physical Happiness. Which means health and freedom from pain. May I live with ease? which is made the elements of daily life go easily. Not Be such a struggle. You can use these phrases or any others that are more personally meaningful to you. May Be Safe May, have mental happiness. May Have Physical Happiness. Mad Live with ease. Just gather all of your attention behind one phrase at a time. And repeat the phrases of loving kindness for yourself. It is said that we can search the entire universe. For someone who is more deserving of our love and affection than we are ourselves. Only want finding that person anywhere. So as you receive this energy coming towards you. Be In touch with that truth. We deserve to be happy. We deserve to be safe. Just, as all beings do. Maybe. Safe. May. have. Mental Happiness. I. Have Physical Happiness. Man With these. When you feel ready, you can open your eyes. You can see how developing greater self respect. and loving kindness toward ourselves. Is a doorway into deepening our own strength to care for others and the world?
The Wisdom Podcast
Daniel Goleman: The Mind and Meditation
"I have the pleasure of speaking with Daniel Goldman to claim psychologist and author of several books including the international bestseller emotional intelligence. Why Can Madam Molden? Iq Daniel has written extensively on the connections between human psychology science and contemplative practice and their practical applications in both leadership and in everyday life in this conversation. Daniel talks about his early years at Harvard where he earned his PhD in psychology and how encounters with great teachers such as Ramdas took Kunar remedy and many others would pave the way for his research on meditation and Non Western theories of mind unlike he studies in psychology which largely focused on the content of the mind. By-pass enough focused on the process. Which was tremendously exciting Daniel. He then discusses how mindfulness and meditation topics not will receive. Graduate advises have evolved within the United States and within American culture most profoundly. Daniel discusses his most recent work on climate change. He off is extraordinarily astute insights on how the human mind grapples with the difference between imminent verses symbolic threats and how these translates into the world of capital consumerism and personal responsibility he also shares his thoughts on how Donald Practitioners My contrbute to these calls. Especially I so much enjoyed this conversation and I hope you do too so I thought to start with awesome you so. You're a graduate student at Harvard and went to. India is that is that rushing seventy might travelling companions on the trip. Were someone known as Jeff. Cable? Who's called Krishna? Dos The devotional singer. Another friend was released for DOS. Who just lose writing books with Rhonda's because I had met Ramdas quite by accident cosmic what you would say tender auspicious coincidence or something but My Freshman Freshman Trish during graduate school. I was writing a paper suicide over the Christmas. Oh holiday and I get a knock on the door of my apartment in Cambridge in. It's a woman why never seen before. And she had run into a friend of mine who had been in a communal house in Berkeley. Who's going around the world? And he had sent a letter to me that she was the currier four and she had been in a monastery in Nepal where she met a an American. A guy named Bongolan not rundown. Yes and basically she. I have two things to do here. One is delivered this letter to you. The second is to visit this guy. The BAGUA DOS it. I really shouldn't need and the third was to go to my sister's wedding but she backed out and so that was why she came to America. So I said well I'll take you to meet this person you know. Your Christmas is writing on suicide. We ended up driving up to New Hampshire in there in this farm house. Luxuriance funhouse in a small room. Upstairs was this guy all white along there but no Julia was and he had all these weird pictures on the wall turned out to be Hindu deities and we watching remit and nobody said anything. I never been in a social situation where nobody said anything but I went along with it. And then after a while he spoke and it turned out he was Richard Alpert now. Rhonda's just come back from India and it turned out also that he had been fired from the program at Harvard that I was enrolled in a graduate student. Also I was on the graduates to school colloquium committee which meant I could invite him to come back and speak. Nice which I which was the first time he'd been back to Harvard since he was fired. And so you know he was on fire. He was really full of shocked as they say just back from India and he started. He came give a lecture started. Seven ended it too and to bribe janitor lettuce sticky two. Am to work. And I began to go to a kind of a summer camp that he was running his father's place in the Hampshire where I visited him. This was in the summer and after two rounds I found out that might fill ship to harbored included. A traveling challenge ship nice and I had a wonderful mentor at Harvard David McClellan who actually had hired fired leary and so what did he think about your little excursions to bomb. While he was a devout quaker and he was very interested in meditation so it seems glad that I was getting into this because none of it all is other graduate students. Were like all its study the need to achieve from the you know also you riding on suicide just WanNa go back to that in. What was was there any in that compelled you to write. Oh I had been at a teaching assistant in a course on death and dying talk. Guinan and I had gotten access to about several hundred suicide notes for Bailey Corner. Yeah and you know it's just a you know you study stuff in doubt. I mean I wasn't suicidal. But yet you had interesting death and dying or was that interested. Dr. Not like a personal interest but kind of academic academic India okay and so I should give it back on. My father was professor humanities and my mother was a social worker and I think I got a a kind of implicit value system. It was a very ecumenical. He taught a course called autobiography of civilization which was world literature so it a very lot instead of Sanskrit actually version Among other languages his best friend was the guy who founded the Asian Studies Department at Berkeley? No so I had this kind of view of the world which was larger than just Western yesterday so I was very interested in going to India but I found could In graduate school because Ron dos made me think oh I'd love to meet his guru yet girly Bob Him. You Know No. I'd never met anyone like him of the KARMAPA sixteenth city. Zuma Sitter Sixteenth Mama's yeah and They meant didn't see each other enough. Say met but Lama nor law whose retreat master for College Berries who was close to carmont stayed within croly Baba for two years and I think maybe he told them I never got the story of how he knew anything again. But anyway and Because this was nineteen seventy s very early. A lot of the wonderful lauman's the very shall we say far advanced llamas on the path from Tibet were still alive and Christopher Dawson and I met coup Air Fiche who is very humble. Wonderful being reviewed seem around dawn. You know mumbling all money. I when I saw going around the Stupa and people come and see him day and night and he was always happy to see. Whoever came which I contrasted with my professors at Harvard were world famous psychologist. You could see them like two to three on Tuesday office hours so anyway. Long Story Short coup. Who was wonderful and I didn't know till decades later with he was the teacher of the Dalai Lama on Compassion Chari out the time. You would certainly never say so. He had been offered the kind of the presidential suite with top sweet. And the monastery top floor didn't want he stayed in a very small room had little wooden bed. That was it was very simple. It beautiful way so I met him and kind of made it my business to look around I. I ended up studying the Pasta with Joseph Goldstein. Who was in residence of the Burmese? Mahara I think. Joseph was little horrified that other Westerners were showing up and Manindra had invited his friend going Kaji to give up his second course for Westerners and I went back and gave a talk at the conference on Yoga and Therapy Deli and told people there that there was going to be sub ten day retreat and when the people audience was named Sharon Salzberg cow and so she came to book Guy Learn how to meditate the rest is history was charged with Joseph of course so we go way way back to nineteen seventy really
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Sharon Salzberg Makes Me Feel Better
"Sharon. Thanks for coming appreciate that. Well thank you coming. Is The odd term. Really kind of staying by us. Exactly he didn't. You didn't have to go anywhere for this over to the computer. How how are you doing in a shelter in place? Well I'm I'm doing pretty well in Barre Massachusetts in my home and it's it's pretty peaceful and I mean obviously I go through all kinds of things like everybody else you know anxiety and sadness It just feels like the enormous unknown and when I reframe the current experiences kind of being on retreat than I think a right to do this just for the uninitiated Barre Massachusetts B. A. R. E. Massachusetts is in central mass which is You you have a house on the grounds of insight Meditation Society which You co-founded With Jack Cornfield and Joseph Goldstein. Many many years ago But I'm interested to hear you say that you go. You're going through a lot and and other things I think. I think that's actually useful for for US civilians to hear that venerated. Meditation Future has Feelings yes well. I mean the anxiety I think is some biological. You know it's like Whoa. And then I am just grateful all the time for the kind of training I had through meditation practice. So for example. It's it's that conjecture about the future. Like what if this happens that happen? You know the insight Meditation Society will be able to open. When will it be able to open? How would it be know? And I think you don't know anything you know. This is all useless. It's useless expenditure of your life energy. Just come back to the moment deal with what's in front of you remember to try to stay connected to others and that's all. I can do right now so I'm just so grateful that I've had all these years of watching my mind go off and remembering in the kindest way most gentle way. Just come back you know deal with what's in front of you. You said you. Very graciously agreed to come on our new ten percent happier live experiment. Where we're doing live guided meditations in the afternoons. And you said something that has really stuck with me. Which is that. There's this thing about anxiety the not knowing is actually not that bad. What is bad? I'll stop saying it you. You Continue Survey says that in in my experience of sitting with fear and Kinda the perspective of mindfulness. Let's say if you're sitting and experiencing something like fear you're not particularly concerned with what you're afraid of. You Know How could resolve or how did you get to the sorry place? You should be better than this but actually looking at the feeling itself so it's a kind of a bit of attention and when I've done that and I've looked at fear in my body I've looked at fear kind of the play fear in my mind what I've seen a for me. That despite the world's pronouncements that we're afraid of the unknown which of course can be true. I'm mostly afraid when I think I do know and it's GonNa be really bad. It's the stories that I tell myself that. Really get me going and even in the midst of that if I remind myself you know what you don't know then there's space and is actually kind of a relaxation or or piece right there. I that really lands for me. I wouldn't have been able to articulate that but it's it's exactly that that I think what I don't like is the uncertainty. But what I really don't like is the horror movie. I'm making my own Ma. Yeah of course we invest in it. You know it's like it's creation than than we claim it as necessarily true Su. I'm just walked me through a moment how it goes in your mind in an actual moment of anxiety. What for you after decades of practice. What happens in your mind when you notice? You're spinning off. Well I mean part of it is you know it's very physical. My heart starts beating faster and and I can feel. This is just a certain kind of energy moving through my body and then. I watched the thought start to play out. You know I this is going to happen. That's going to happen. And what if we can ever opened again on what if that you know and then if I remind myself either you not now or just breathe. Just take a breath. You're not going to resolve this entire problem on behalf of the world right now on. Chug just take a breath. Come back to yourself. It's oddly enough. It's the same gesture of the mind that I had so much contempt for when I first heard about meditation. I thought that's stupid. Thank you put your mind somewhere and it goes off somewhere else and you let go and you come back. I thought I was in India and I thought I came all the way to India for this. Like it's ridiculous you know but there. It is all these years later and in the midst of extremely intense situation like the same gesture of the mind and I think how amazing to have been practicing us. And what's empowering I think for me and I hope for anybody. Listening to this is that you could get better at this if you do it for fifty years but you can have done it for a couple of weeks a couple of months a couple of years and anybody can do what you're describing this right and. I think it's the regularity of practice I don't think it takes such a long time to kind of reinforce that muscle group and then you remember like in the middle of a conversation with somebody you know. Were you starting to feel that particular anxiety or you realize something and you. You're not sure you really did it. Properly whatever it is you know and you can feel that kind of thing so you can do it right there. You know you have the physical signal of what's happening in your body and that's reminding you okay take a breath. Just come back. Let's deal with what's
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Race is Not Tangential to Meditation | Rhonda V. Magee
"Guys. Of course it is great to become better at meditation on the cushion to get to you to have your practice improve over time. That's the real point as Sharon Salzberg. The great meditation teacher has said. The point of meditation is not to become a better meditators percents to become a better person to to get better at at your life and you know I often for myself describe it as just becoming less of a moron and so the point is to get up from meditation from one minute to minute. Five minutes twenty minutes. Whatever you're doing and then put it to test in the real world with other human beings how you doing it the DMV. How you doing it The office that's why on this show. We once in a while really try to dive into what is in my view. One of if not the most tricky and contentious social issues in in the United States of America and in many other countries in the world which is race and the takeaway for me from this week's guest is that race really is not a tangential issue to your practice. Is the crucible in which you can test your meditation practice. And it's not just racist. How do you deal with difference? Mejet it can be pigmentation. It could be chromosomes. That can be ideological No matter how homogeneous your you know from a racial standpoint your environment may be there is. There's difference around you all the time. And how are you dealing with that? What kind of assumptions? And you're bringing to the table and Ken Meditation. Untangle things in a useful way for you so Rhonda. Mcgee is a professor of law at the University of San Francisco. She's been on this show before if you want to hear about her fascinating upbringing Go back and listen to episode one hundred twenty four but in this show. We're GONNA talk about her new book which is called the inner work of racial justice healing ourselves and transforming our communities through mindfulness and we talk about whiteness. What it's like to wake up to whiteness both as a white person and Somebody WHO's Non White? We talk about something that I think is fascinating discussed and we have discussed before in the show that this utility of shame when looking at your own biopsies practical ways to use meditation in And mindfulness in these often incredibly painful and awkward conversations about race. We talk about some of the trickiness even among the the tricky issues even among the people who are really committed to this work. Like where's the line between political correctness? And what the Buddha would call right speech also talk about predatory listening and cancelled culture. So we we really cover a whole range of hot button issues in a really thoughtful and I find incredibly practical meaningful way and also Rhonda's just Super Fun and interesting so here we go. Here's Rhonda McGee Great to see you great to see you to come. Thank you already laughing and smiling and we're GONNA be talking about tough stuff. That's a good sign. It's life yes. That's a useful thing to say actually I can't believe I'M GONNA ask this question. I've tried never task this question because the cliche question but here we go. Why did you write this book? okay. I think this book actually kind of wrote me innocence I think I've been working toward the content of it for many many years. You know this is my twenty first year teaching law in San Francisco and teaching All those years of tot you know traditional courses like Personal Injury Law Insurance Law immigration. But I've also intentionally taught courses that invite us to kind of come around gather around the campfire and look at how race and racism intersect with long legal history in our own lives. Actually and I think in the course of that I certainly number one started relying very consciously on my own Inner work to support that kind of outer work so I was very intentionally relying all those years on my own. Mindfulness practice and then at a certain point. I realized I needed to try to figure out how to bring that explicitly into the classroom to be of greater support to my students in not just into that classroom but just into the legal conversation were generally and So I just began exploring with that and that was way back in two thousand three two or three And then I found the network of other people who both in academia generally we're interested in bringing this inner and outer work together for service and work in the world for a more refined twenty first century way of thinking about what it means to be an educator human being on the one hand but also in law in particular because if you think about law it's just this profound enterprise aimed at trying to as best we can create a structure for holding difficult conversations and dealing with difficult issues that can Help the society cohere overtime so funny you say that because I think of lawyers is the people who like the knowing to detail. Contractual work that. I really don't WanNa do that. I don't even WanNa talk about with them. I understand that and yet what is the purpose of that is to kind of facilitate the work that you want to do in the world you right. So it's yes. I understand that. Set the rules of the road for me and my employer about what I'm expected to do. And what they and what I can expect them to. Absolutely if you wind the lens just a little bit. This is what we do in life as professor get to. Why in the Liz? A little bit and help You know help us see the big questions and the big functions if you will of something. That seems pretty Monday often. The elements of the negligence caused action. Duty breach causation damages. Like how that really that particular as one example of what laws trying to do is really a way of looking at what what sort of the best we can offer as a society as a means to support resolving conflicts that just occur when somebody unintentionally injures another person. This is what we got you know. And it's it's iterative we try and you know Interest on it over time. That's what the common law system was about changing as we need to To take into consideration changes in the culture changes in our sense of what right and wrong is. What's the right way to deal with A particular kind of suffering changes over time whether or not to cognizant recognize a certain kind of suffering changes a society does so so the beautiful thing actually about law for me that it is you know. Is this human effort in human project that is aiming toward a kind of You know a kind of perfection if you will a kind of Making the best with what we have In response to conflict which is inevitable in human community and so For me this book was about bringing that bringing to that conversation into that profound human project something of some tiny bit or some. Some thing of what? I've been learning as I've been working to bring together. This contempt of practice said commitments. That I call mine from this Bringing that together with The particular part of law. That's that works at the intersection of racism and racial injustice as it intersects with class and gender and sex orientation and all the other sorts of `ISMs and schisms of our time but for me just working on that over time gave me a lot to do but also gave me a certain way of holding these complexities. That certainly helped me sustain in the work. Frankly I had a moment where I was GonNa Leave Law because I felt like if I couldn't do it in a way that was much more holistic. Maybe I shouldn't be doing it so it was partly me feeling my way to sustainable way of of doing this hard work but also just feeling like okay. It's helping me I can see. My students are suffering. I can see a lot of suffering in the world around this that if it's helped me maybe it might help somebody else around race and how we respond to racism racial justice questions around the role of law and all of that which has been frankly both perpetrator and hope by holes itself as being the pathway to some sort of resolution but on the other hand if we look historically at the rule of law it's been you know people rightly point to it as really one of the the kind of core forces of oppression codifying it find the injustice. Exactly codifying raise codifying higher racial hierarchy At every level Three-fifth three fits right in the constitution and so many three V Fugitive slave clause So many different places where compromises were made right at the