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Episode 245a: Maria Sharapova Retires (with Tumaini Carayol)

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Episode 245a: Maria Sharapova Retires (with Tumaini Carayol)

"The welcome to no challenges remaining. I am Ben Rothenberg. It's the Twenty Sixth Twenty Twenty. Amryah share announced her retirement from the sport of tennis after at age. Thirty two after winning a Grand Slam at Wimbledon when she was just seventeen ending a life that is pretty much half been in professional tennis or maybe even more technically joined on this show to discuss the News Maria career and legacy and impact and controversies and whatnot else by dear friend of the show to Monte carry all of the Guardian. Hi Tony How are you doing? Swimming meets the spin the long walls inside the pit on that shows up buck. We had requests from Patriot backers. I think who were like you need to get money back and I was like. I think that's doable. And I was thinking we would do it sometime. We saw each other later. And then this Sharipova news broken. I was like how about right now and you were games. I appreciate you being for talking about Maria. Let's start with you. What was your reaction when you saw the news today I guess I don't know where I thought if it was through the publish store that she did that. She did or aware that shampoo was retiring. What were your. What was your reaction? What my I I I saw it from. Dennis's tweet out Haracic sponsor. Yes I mean. I wasn't surprised. I guess I wasn't anticipating it right now but I always knew that you know. It seemed to be coming and particularly after the Australian Open after. Bummer WRECKAGE. It seemed the writing on the wolf. I mean for us but for her for the first time you know that wasn't the kind of the resolve and the you know I'm bad going through this. She seemed well. This was working certain accepting her tennis mortality. Must maybe for the first time I remember asking her about After that loss Beckett her ranking with skin a slip to like because she may fourth round before her. Who's going to slip to a three hundred something and are asking her like you know you go down and play. Ats or something just seemed fairly not interested in that idea at all. It's one of the things that my main reaction through retirement which I can't remember for any other athlete is kind of being relieved like you. You know it was so clear to so many people who are close this close to Maria that this was not working in what she heard like and I think she said this in maybe interview with Chris. Clara came out that what had been a big strength of hers. Her perseverance sir. Refusal to quit determination kind of became an not dissimilar to Andy. Murray maybe in some ways but kind of became a weakness near the end where she just kept pushing pushing pushing and refusing to accept what was obvious to everyone else and when you've had you know an odds defying story like Maria had with her whole journey from Siberia that's been well-documented through to the sport like you understand why what made her so great was also a made it tough to tough to walk away and with Maria I would people would ask you about her and I would rephrase I started using conversation happened a lot. Like why is she is still here? I kind of I kind of said. She forgot to retire like she had. She was the I landed on like she had in twenty twenty. Hindsight there was a moment 2017. Fall where she had just beaten how at the US which kind of proved that she was back in who is our big first. Big Big Post Suspension win your. And then she goes on and she wins tangent which is a tiny title but still her first title since Angeles a trophy. In hindsight. She should've stopped right then. If you WANNA go out at all on top knowing her obviously she thinks you know I am. I can still do more. And then she has shown over the next year. It gets clobbered by Kerber in the third round really badly and it was kind of an kind. Never really got that. Same that same Mojo BACK. I mean she. Did you know had a good French? Open that year quarters. She's GonNa play three in the fourth round. It's rented pulled out of that match which was a match. Even looking forward to Katrina was back off maternity leave and question marks around her and Maria was having a really good couple of weeks and people felt that could be a competitive match. Even though obviously we'll get more three as it goes as far as ship of his legacy goes but yeah I I. I just thought as the results continued disintegrate and her health continued getting worse which had been getting bad even before the ban slowly. The early signs of her arm breaking down her shoulder continued to be problem. Those are all there so as it kept getting worse and worse I just I it she just she just wasn't competitively. Relevant anymore wasn't even like a dangerous floater by the end. And I just I just I was. I didn't think that I was sort of hoping that she would see the light. Mean or sounds like you know harsh but I think she finally did. I'm pretty relieved that she's not stopping. You mentioned two thousand seventeen and that was. That was a moment that was one highpoint when she could have left but when she came back from the Bannon how much people thought she was going to just return to. The top right came back in the clay season before we knew whether or not she would have gone to wildcard people. She was going to GonNa win the French. Open at one point when we think back before the band you know what he was already disintegrating. They're already the signs up that she was getting that these players who are out there until the mid thirties that still very difficult to do daily for someone who has been at the top of the game since she was sixteen. You know that's a law. Ten S A long time and. Yeah just think bit by bit as it has been clear about this constraint of setbacks and injuries and different possible for DM for me kind of the the big moment. I mentioned it to down to more than last year when he lost in first round. And I mean I I you know. We've we've been in many press conferences you more than me and that. She looked like she was. She was closed. If not crying and it just you know. She knew that she had just had shorter surgery earlier. That year run another setback can when she got one buffer but he thinks another setback sir. It's been a long time coming in. You know think it's yeah. That was when she retired that with a masters when she retired down five seven the third to Parmentier which was very out of character for her a loose department day. But be to to retire and stop and I don't know what kind of Odyssey Paul had plenty of thoughts Maria Simpson. But it's interesting to see how uncharacteristic it wasn't. How sort of again? And I'm not somebody who had all believe in the concept of players sticking around too long and quote unquote diminishing their legacy. I think that's what I don't Miss. What Maria was doing in this last year or two but it was results that were completely not in keeping with what her legacy and stature is. There were kind of beneath her results. Honestly but the she wanted to that she was kind of a glutton for punishment. Someone Kinda couldn't notice. Stop like I said that is the sort of flipside of what made her so good for so long and the fact that she is thirty two but had played and didn't play a super super full schedule but whenever she did play she was really all out all the time. I point to last point in a in a way that was different than like. We'll talk again. We'll have more on Serena later Serena I think has been much more aggressive. When it comes to energy management during her younger than Sharipova was really dislike the time she stepped on court for the first time that fifteen sixteen years old on tour know she was really pretty all out all the way and didn't know wouldn't ever allow herself to shift into any sort of lower gear And Yeah that that burned her out and had spectacular physical ramifications for her which started in seriously as soon as early as oh eight I guess when she was just twenty one years old and had her first shoulder surgery That in those sort of health problems continued to be a story with her all the way through even as she got. You know her game back. Northstar. Winning Grand Slams again became a threat on clay until the transform. Yourself that way like the service never would. It wasn't she was a teenager. If you watch the footage of the Oh four would final like her game is not really recognizable to what when she was that good seventeen and she's been much more sort of whippy loose. You know powerful snappy game that she played early later career so her ability to sort of to evolve into survivor body breaking down maintain this line she did with pretty remarkable and you could see by the end. She was really grinding credit. And Aguirre's you and I think the second career after his stroller century it became more about that kind of as that Kinda grind. You know she she couldn't. She didn't just blow her top rivals of the cord. The matches became longer and tighter and more about the mental side and application in. So yeah that that takes a toll in Fisher so what this is there a little bit of retrospective what was what was your earliest memory of of Sharipova. If you remember I remember it was willing to two thousand three hundred forty one and she played Ashley Harkleroad in the first round And as reason I was actually just reading the press conference transcripts and stuff and it just made me want to vomit because of the way it was branded about the of debates fairmount marine shop was sixteen years old as Again she was off the shop everyone easily. How prepared are you to fill the clever gap two zero you know and just you know from the very beginning before she even one. It was about that about the looks about people. Sexualizing this teenager. You know got. That's how I saw. And obviously we came about the GRUNDBERG. From very young she was this prodigy who already from the very moment you saw was beating players made the fourth round that year beat. Elena dockage who I was growing up. I really liked saving little and yen. That's kind of A. That was my first we over and within a year later she was jumping. I got an good point to bring up. Just how much. She was. Really the next Cornucopia in her early early talk about her because she was obviously the next great Russian and she was an dementia was around than two dozen. Three was the year before Myskina broke through it and became the first to win a grand slam of the French Open just before Maria won Wimbledon and then Kuznetsova won US. Open later that year so it was kind of Russian arrival but yet Sharipova was the one early on was the commodity who was the prodigy was the sex symbol against sixteen which is Gross. And and was completely gross. Yeah and you even just looking back at Cornucopia or obviously all this stuff. I'm mooning really like that. The stuff that was happening you know. Twenty years ago with how they talk about teen girls would never happen these days. Such a massive departure from anything that said about Coca Gov or even you know needs some over something like that. You're so yes that was. That was definitely something. She grew up in and she seemed to definitely presents. The share the Cornucopia label because unfairly to Cornucopia Cornucopia as label meant also had a connotation of being loser and being you know just all looks acceptance even though was a top ten player and so trump about shook that often and one Wimbledon and I remember actually two hundred. Four Wimbledon was one of the terms. I got really into as it happens. I was a summer vacation. I was home and not working on any I think I was. I was seventeen to the same age as Maria. Pretty much and just watching increased every session of that that was broadcast on. Tv seeing her work round by round through Panticosa through sukey. Yama was a great quarterback at that tournament against Davenport. In the semis. And then Serena being really really surprised when she be three hundred things she'd any real shot in that match but her beating Serena was shocking was the first real tennis shock that I can register. Where like I knew both players pretty well and a very strong opinion of who would win in a grand final and it was a really really seismic result in it obviously and Maria I think thinks of shaving her whole career because if you look at her like her autobiography that came out in twenty seventeen the book. I think you're like inside covers. Maria Sharapova tennis player in two thousand and four she'd be Serena Williams Win Wimbledon like it's still like for her still like the first line of her morbid again. Her Tennis Obituary A result and it really was the big one and she. She backed it up. It wasn't a flash in the PAN match. She became a steadily top player. Pretty linearly after that. She made a bunch of slam. Semis for a while before. Finally breaking through to in our second at the six open yeah. Ntd's became a fixture in the top ten after that even with the later shoulders. Usa flared. Up Your skip ahead. I guess to Melhem because obviously it's a big part of her her story to which she got when she tested positive twenty sixteen for donation which she tested positive at the two thousand sixteen Australian Open for substance that have been added at been added to the banned list effective beginning of that month so beginning. January twenty sixteen so she told Been taking it for ten years. She did not have to say she could've said I started taking it. Six weeks ago but She said she's been taking for ten years and that she when she tested positive pretty clearly on the first time she had tested after it was added to the list. She didn't notice the status change wasn't trying to. I firmly believe she did not think that she was. She was unknowingly breaking a rule that she just sort of walked into a wall that she wasn't looking for the newly built wall in terms of the rule being changed and that totally sidetracked her her story and really does define the last five years of her career for a while and whenever her hall of fame vote comes up in five years or so. What what do you think? How big a role should should mel. Don't even play in the conversation about shadows. Career tiny think. It's a very difficult question because I mean Oakland one hand as as someone who watches owed said it wasn't that village from age two just because honestly I I kind of expect athletes in all sports are towing the lion taking things. It wasn't surprising to me a in knowing what we know about shop over. You know. She's a great a competitors. We knew she always was lost to the end of matches. Chad Gray Stamina. I think that is something that people naturally locomotor neom now when say in that Why she was successful and you know nothing when when you see the reaction to her now and when you speak about her I think a lot of people will hold that against the. How much does that affect? The I don't know I think at the end of the day. It's about how people respond to her and she she's become a very divisive figure. Something like you know when you speak about. Her career has has to be mentioned. You know it's the way it's going to be mentioned. And there was a question. Mark some doubts. Just because of the nature of an anti-doping move relation. That's where we would. I think she was divisive even before this. I think this shows just added gasoline to the to the fire and everything you know. The the conflict emerged between her and Serena and even still and ever since especially if they're meltdown get most. We can talk more of this. When we get to Serena that but you know the people who get most animated about the now donate stuff are at least in my mentioned seemed to be Serena fans who were the most harsh about it which I which I understand. The background context of that these two are pitted against each other for a long time and there was a lot of attention and writing about how. Sharipova got more endorsements than Serena and was overall paid higher even despite being the inferior player for a lot of the time especially in their head to head As it turned out once Serena flip that rivalry on its head. Pretty well at COUPLA show opens the eye in terms of the legacy. I mean I think pointed out that Jeb over one two slams before she started taking done I think. She said she started taking it like fall of six. I remember correctly. You know some after she won the Olympics. Us Open and what? I sort of give her credit for is in her. You know I do believe she's being mostly honest in her official about the the casting at least saying that. She's been taking her ten years which then allowed her which then allowed us to sort of second-guessed ten years worth of results when she could have made it a much over window and then but she I think was honest in terms of when she started saying she started taking it out she was saying earlier than that And she was as. We said a very very good player. Premium argument better than post Moldova. Melanie I'm but you're right. I mean it does as late in her career. Her endurance the big asset of hers and like two thousand. Fourteen French is the one that stands out which was her final Grand Slam title. Her last four matches she. She went back to back to back to back tough. Three setters against Oeser Mugadza Boo Shard. And how it and that was really like of triumphing based on like Physical Strength Stamina and willpower obviously but there was a big physical element that tournament. And Yeah. That's one where if you look back and say maybe she was eight okay. Also Melville name was legal back then and as you said all we kind of expect all pro athletes toe the line was your phrase which I like and how you judge someone for using a substance that is to use your phrase like pre illegal you. It's it's tough to judge as far as we know every players doing that and every players using recovery methods and whatever else that it might someday be seen as a little bit you over the edge or something and and it's just it's tough to retroactively decide about so I do think it's helpful also than that wants. Melatonin became illegal ship over tested positive immediately and so yes they are. I was talking about this on twitter this week in the connor someone. Br bringing up see-sawed Ceva because they say they keep mentioning her in in the Congo with coca golf right of golf. Being the youngest in the top fifty Cents Care Tanja cure tension about who made the top fifty after making a friendship quarterfinal and five at which. She tested positive. I believe her nandrolone which is pretty heavy duty steroid that results white and yes but for Sharipova. The only results I think really needs to be erased are can be a race. Is that twenty sixteen Australian Open which was not a significant she loss in the quarter system. That was not a significant run in scope of her career. Not at memorable run really but that but before before after that especially especially because yeah because it really did come to just max her agent maxine bud dropping the ball and not paying attention in her having a pretty honestly amateurish set up around her health and her medicines and whatever. They didn't catch this thing because she was taking regularly with with shifting on from you know allowed to band they didn't see the warnings and whether those warnings were we talk about this a lot in the show back then but that's warnings were made evident enough for obvious enough or if they should have done more to warn her because not only would have been in her subsequent in her samples regularly in two hundred eight. Two Thousand Fifteen after water decided to switch it like she played. Fed Cup. Final Two thousand fifteen and told her they're like hey by the way this thing that's in your urine sample will get you banned in two months or three months so watch out? They didn't your no-one. No-one really really did that to her. And if you think that serves ability or not different topic but yeah I just think in terms of Astra's getting earlier results in probably pretty I. I'm guessing on the lighter end of the spectrum for that just because you'd you just don't know and even then there's debate about what if anything Madonna does as a from enhancer. It's not clear on that either. The bus she revealed that she'd been taking it for ten years. That does kind of at least explain the wire amateurism why they may be became more kind of. Keller's weren't checking in but I think it was one of the things that has been used as an asteroid Result since she's gone back she had come back and triumphantly one slam you know without Madani. Am In a that would have clearly been the buffet. You know result for her in because it would have shown beyond doubt Toyota people doubted. But when you look at who elevate onto a injuries I think and that the shoulder kind of fooling again how far. I'm so I don't know I. I think I do take that with adventure so I think it's all to come to a conclusion either. I don't think she was winning anymore. Grand Slams anyway is sort of my on that I think he's already on the downhill before the band. Yeah I think that after the band I told this story before on the podcast but it happened to smile personal connection to while I was recording jeopardy episodes when she made her ugly carpet press conference jobs. A Weird Weird Day for me on a lot of levels. But I don't think that she I think she was planning on retiring. Probably end in two thousand sixteen and that was sort of her stated goal. Maybe twenty seventeen but she had a finish line in sight earlier on and then hung on because she thinks ever admitted this but I have to believe that. She wanted to prove that she could win. Without Mel Donio. She wanted to make that statement clear and in the end she could not and I but I do think we sort of. I think we agree. That was less about him and more just about already being on the downhill of her career in the physical side of the downhill. And the did disintegration of her shoulder you know really accelerating a lot and yet she's still have some decent results and you know things to be proud of and Gruden was still a top thirty player for while at least I don't think she ever got back in the top twenty. Yeah isn't that's what kept her going and that some something to prove that she never proved it. I don't see that as for me conditioning. I know people disagree but I don't see that at all the people who disagree and this gets into we can just get to three and now in that. Yeah edmark. How big was for you as the finance as journalists. How big was that moment for you. You know you mentioned that you you you went actually there when it happened but if like one of those like one of the biggest moments you know. I'll tell you what one of those moments where you know exactly what you are. I mean don't you I was? I was concerned just before concert. Kenji concern yes and and I was watching it with another as addicts McPherson. Who what's up? Tim We were in a pub watching on offense in the middle of a pub. You know people didn't really know what was happening in. Oh she. She said that she would had an announcement that she had A. She had a clock. Ticking down to the announcement right and hiring probably area hiring read so many different theories. No-one I remember reading so many theories but one of them was about you know thinking she was going to Felon and deduct address. It seems like one of the biggest moments in Tennessee. The loss twenty absolutely. I completely agree with that. It was it was a seismic event having a grand slam champion. And she wasn't even really the Alpha. I think it would still be a much bigger story. If and sort of Sharipova. She was enough a champion. That was a big big deal issue test positive but not enough that it sort of like invalidated the past decade of tennis results you know. Been One of the big three or Serena you know frankly like those players who if you asked if you wipe out their results and you really have big empty spaces in the record book would really really harm the sport or something like that. But with with a Sharipova it was also turned into this big wave of Russians testing positive for Mel. Donate them across lots of sports and things like hundreds of them tested positive in some form or another across lots worth because it was a very very commonly taken substance by Soviet region athletes. You're in the elements in that and share OV-. Actually I could be wrong. But I believe Sherpa the toughest sentence any of them because the way that she came out and said Yes 'cause they later came out that water and not done the proper excretion test. It's called they didn't know how long did and people systems so lots of other. Athletes argued successfully that they had stopped taking in December but was still lingering in their bodies ensuring samples for months afterwards but. Sharipova was very forthright and came out and said I was taking this anticipation and took that morning essentially she said before her quarterfinal match in Australia. So that kind of that coming forward while admirable probably hurt her in some ways but the adjudication of her case was because of our LUBCHENCO. This another tennis player. Who tested positive for Modo NEOM and early twenty sixteen evolution positive? Brisbane and she you know but she said she'd taken it earlier. And after a lot of tourists are silent ban and a lot of the genus and evasiveness from her eventually admitted it and yeah all Nuremberg stuff. Whatever you about Anyway but I mean but let's say like Sharipova I think I do think people can side. I fairly her. You know her talk about having you know diabetes symptoms or trouble but then also starting a candy company I think the Diabetes Candy Burn is completely fair you know but I do think that she also did own up to it. In a way which other athletes did not which she should get some credit for. Yeah I came down very harsh on her and had that whole she is the sole author her own misfortune decision that they put vidgis very dramatic that she got she got that. Knock down to fifteen months which I did an interview with her in New York that day when that cast vision came out and she was. She was very relieved in very determined. And Yeah and and and it did sort of really even more draw. The battle lines obviously a lot of other several other tennis players picked opposite sides loudly Mulanovich Bouchard Silica. And it really made her two thousand. Seventeen comeback very heightened and very fraught in a lot of ways and very very high stakes in very dramatic in a way. That was just sort of exhausting. I was in at Madrid twenty team but it was like the one time I remember. Actually Shareholder Chard. Remember turning off a match. I just can't I can't look at this. This is this is. I can't I can't deal with this And so that was the one time I remember doing that actually and I think also. I'm being a terrible now and especially with the players who beat her number Will the players who were critical for your And then in Rome. She lost the tough mad retired with some sort of injury to somebody. And then somebody who was Richard for. Yeah Lucia who the day before been really harsh to her commander Lance Armstrong and stuff and and then as what does and and then that later that day Bernard you tell you what on facebook live and read off a list of fourteen names slowly but surely and Fred obscure French players because Frenchwomen part of no good at tennis beyond Their Cup team essentially these days to dramatically reveal. The trip was not getting wildcard. Anyway it was just like she got put through the ringer and a lot of ways that in that stretch and then also had injury at Rome. Kind of getting a little to greenland is probably but injury in Rome for four three to Wimbledon where she was planning on playing qualifying. She says she went to avoid the wildcard circus. And just play qualify. That would have been a whole big scene having ray shape over at podunk. Roehampton qualify and they built a whole stadium. His abuser they anyway. So we're timer was honestly and I just wanted to say one more thing just that just fascinates me about the whole episode is when our residents dog. You asked me about my first. Ramiro fire was as player who was kind of described as basically an American with the Russian possible. All of the bowl of the early questions for our you know about no You know a how American are you rushing and this you know the medium incident has kind of the thing made her Russian in the eyes of the public. I told I told her this in my interview with her until seven in two thousand sixteen year. Two Thousand Sixteen or New York's fall twenty seven. She got her cat suspicion. I've said like this is like the most Russian thing you've ever done and and she didn't really seem to like appreciate that remark. But I was like before you were just like American Florida girl and here you are taking some obscure you know. Soviet Latvian drug lots of people who I've talked to lots of various immigrants from various different countries. Still use medicines or treatments that are porn popular in their ancestral homelands. I've heard from French. People who take French medicine still and whatever else is not not uncommon but it was not expect Maria and she was the only ten Russian tennis player to get caught up in it for her to be the one to do it. Anyway I've mentioned a couple of times Serena mentioned in the in the sort of fan thing this arena fans were the most ardent against her and honestly gleeful at her demise which I will say you know might sort of take on. That is be careful what you wish for. Because Maria Sharapova was very reliable person for Grand plans and now is not there anymore. It's not going over Serena against various other people but having Maria be a late round pigeon was something that I'm sure she three and offense miss in a Lotta ways anyway. How much do you think her that? Her life will be shaped by Serena and basically after starting off. Two and one against Serena losing was the final count like Seventeenth Street. Eighteenth straight something that being being completely one one-sided a factor how that story. I think there's no way around it. I mean absolutely particularly from a US perspective absolutely. It's it's the one thing if if ever you know when when you mentioned shoppers achievements amassed. I'm diagnosed but she's a record against arena and I kind of frustration actually from the perspective of Reno and how people who got behind treatments and our. It's punchline rather than the fact that shop over has record against the Rena is reflective of how could Serena really you know and net Serena's likeability and what she does is taken for granted? I think when you know I think there's there's a lot that goes into the head to head the matchup issues chopper. Con Much Serena. Seven Serena has no problems with you. Know taking on shop over serve and moving Weaving just many different things. Serena's a much better player and she brings every diamond that More reflective of Serena being Cheese deserving of five slums because of a wreck against Serena now completely and I think I think people really do dismiss her more than they should just being like this like punching bag because if you if you see tennis through a Serena Williams Lens which many Americans do many Serena fans do Marie as the punchline but actually a much much better player than that and obviously did a lot in a career slam. Obviously you can't knock that. And you can't fluke out any level to in that But yeah but Serena thing does become preeminent. I think part of it is because of because of how big a deal that. Oh four match was I really do think that Serena was so determined to never but never give ship of anything less than her best in terms of what she faced across in at and three hundred just never maybe the exception of that two thousand sixteen Australian Open. We're we're we're Maria tested positive. Later that day. That was the one match were three and didn't play amazing again. Sharipova your but But every other time. Pretty Much Serena at least when it mattered was awesome and just never ends never at all run to which is not as before like three a you know especially when it comes to the terminals where Marie Katerina beat Maria everywhere. She beat her on. You know on indoor on outdoor clay on grass my favorite status at blue clay only existed for one week and three managed to beat Maria on blue claims that she but yeah but she just always was there and always meant so much to actually remember. Didn't drink just about this recently. I don't if you saw this at that. Like Serena was advising drake when he was having his beef with meek mill about that how really destroy somebody tapping into her own Sharipova experience? Like this was like a mission for Serena to make sure that she never lost again and it was mission accomplished and and wound up being. I think a really big motivating motivating factor for Serena. And probably you know. One of the things that propelled Serena and maybe some like this. But I firmly believe like why Destroy Maria firmly propelled three and to another level in her career. Like three hundred not have as many grand slams if she didn't get to beat up Sharipova along the way I mean. Yes she's she's one of the top five players number two number three so absolutely in her in this basically inch of his career that they're a fifteen year stretch dating back to O. Four hour when she when she first one checkpoint five Grand Slams in which is women's hands a second only to Serena nobody else in that stretch. I mean Eh. And and Venus both put up a few slams before that and had overall higher titles but once cheer got on the scene and really being a factor. Then yeah then she was number two behind. Serena's distant distant number two but number two and I think that again shows why she shouldn't be dismissed as just the also ran. Who couldn't hack it with Serena? She was the best of the rest of time. If if you look at the results and not just kind of the slammed as well. It's the the right of winning. You know until the last couple of years ago she had she'd one of eighty percent matches and that's unheard of now. She's kind of the last year he was able to go through that season. You know semifinals finals semi final just that level of consistency and eating. Everyone start from Serena Earth its current W K OFF. Land is in large part because of the show vs no longer being that dominant force collection of players. Sharapova Serena and as Aranka mates or angled it lasts yeah or the three and maybe obviously Venus Asia that a while ago but Venus in her day was that good and Chrysler is in her day was also the players but nobody has replicated in modern ten really That we've seen stained yet like that. Kind of weakened weak out greatness and reliability that Sharipova was maybe the youngest of that group to really have for a long length of time. Yes so she was kind of interesting like Cross air player. She showed up early enough that she played against you know overlapped another replayed Camp Riady and for out and earl in Davenport played against in her winning her first Grand Slam and then she goes all the way through playing against Donald Catches her last match she plays and she played Ash. Bardy insincerity last year. So she she really does span a pretty a pretty big range and she as much as she singer. She was not awful at the end. I mean she took in her two tournaments this year her first one first round Brisbane. She took Jennifer Brady to third-set tie-break in the first round when Briggs Emigrate Year Brady beat number. One party the next round and then And then Sharipova lost decades like three and four four and three or something like that. Which is your advantages. A top twenty player so it wasn't like she was embarrassing herself per se in most these matches it was beneath But it was but it was right. It was the sort of standard this is something which makes her different. Like compared to the retirement of Andy. Roddick let's say who tired at thirty but also retired when at the first sign closure the first sign that he wasn't that it wasn't GonNa Happen for him you know when he he's Andy Roddick won two titles here he retired small titles but Atlanta East born or something and then wanted to kind of go out while still feel like a little bit more relevant like Sharipova hung on until like we said earlier near the game to show that she was not competitively. Relevant really anymore on tour in terms of being like a title contender at Grand Slams. But you know but she didn't necessarily she was willing to get down and dirty in the sort of Lleyton Hewitt Ish way which is not really what you'd expect for someone who's so Madison Avenue in so Glamour Girl. Whatever that they'd be she'd be like really willing to get in the mud like fight near the end as as he said it just it goes back to kind of how she is as a president as a player. And you know she done that once already. She'd done through having a bad shoulder injury. And you know we we forget. How kind of tough I trust. Months and years were Donovan. Get hurt listen to greater earned in Oakland or something and you know it was tough. It was matic. Took you know. She came back in two thousand nine and it wasn't until two thousand eleven that she started to really get back to beating players. Took out air. That I'm sure you know for a while. Donning her mind as she kept working. You know perhaps this will happen again. And that's why she kept on going and as it relates back tomorrow in. That's why she's jump and it's why the Sirloin I mean. I took a love defeats of tough losses. Hunter finally decide to buy. This wasn't working. Yeah no and her body is like really broken out to use the Murray comparison to me like she really does not have full used that arm at all even certain things if you watch how does. She does certain things on the court. Things you know pointed out to me like certain ways. She can't move who are basically while she's playing. She's picking up her bags or whatever like she was like she is an injured. Broken person from this In that should not be broken. She really did push it. I think as far as she possibly could and I'm glad that finally finally saw the light like I said my my my main. My main reaction to this retirement really is kind of relief. Which again is why. I'm not a athlete because it was like my God. Stop like please stop putting yourself through this. Go go walk and have a healthy life but watching his documentary when he would you know basically make a phone call and they have like three minutes to kill so go hop on a stair climber. It's like this. It's not my life. Yeah so what was it like just to get a little more personal like for you to receive it for three. What was it? Like and also coordinate will be on the show later when she's she's in Doha so it was tough to range now WIFI. There is not great so do more full of recollections reflection story but. I'm curious for you money as someone who had a bit younger than me. Who had watcher for a bigger portion of your fan life like what was it like for you once? You're finally in the same room as Maria and covering her. What was she like to be around? You got to grow professionally. I think a lot of you know in since the century announced our retirement some of the journalists you know talk about how in a kind of the moments that would see in the best one that you know. She could be funny. She could not see with with professional she. You know she was. I mean aside from Things she was one of the players will stood up when she lost. She was afraid to confront up into speak. Frankly and she didn't duck away from questions about losing in a key ally for exactly yes she. She could be Catholic and if if she did like where you're going with the question you knew immediately but that was a that was. She was even she was open. She was on a stiff arm. And as you mentioned as a fan of of the honest growing up I wasn't crazy about her game. I didn't feel like I as a person because from from as fun you don't always know how they are and I don't know she. West seem like someone who was quite distant and I mean exempt. She still was by. I did kind of gain more Seeing moments where you go to shop over the snuck you shop over the shop over. Who as I'm sure Courtney will will mention who had just insult phone cover in Lauren? And Yeah I duNNo. I think she was very professional. In was quite easy to cover a compared to other players juice. What would you well? Yeah I mean. I'm sure coordinate probably with more like Maria three times stuff but I mean she was as much as she did have a reputation for being super icy in the locker room. If you hadn't really mentioned yet and being like not there to make friends which was fair. That's I think that was not really that much exaggerate. I think a lot of players really did feel like she was uniquely distant. Especially in that later era. When especially when Serena started being more open and friendly and Locker Room Sheriff of without even more is being over being as being icy. That was not really the experience impressive. I mean she was somebody who was incredibly professional and collegial. And you ask her a question and you'd get a real answer to it very reliably and that meant a lot you know. And she was also somebody who didn't seem to be you know who seemed to be relatively reliable narrator like she would not just give you some sort of like Hokey spin or just tell you wanted to hear a lot of the time she would you know be fair. Look look you know. Look a question. There are dead in the eye and answer. Which as a someone who's just trying to be a you know. Herbie essentially colleague or coworker in this ecosystem and having her her being accommodating healthy me do my job is something that you appreciate it hugely. And yes and also there was this woman's where she was like delightfully snarky or bitchy. Or whatever you WANNA call it and would take those moments which are also I see is honesty to you know when she would when someone would come for her and she would clap back very a lot from I remember. It's still being in the press conference. At Wimbledon Two thousand thirteen where out of seemingly nowhere she starts thrown like Serena Serandon boyfriend who is married and has kids. Which was Patrick? More toddler she was referring to you. Then just like this is dropping and like went there with that and just like for escalated that and then you know. I was the one when she had the isn't she back in Poland. Already comment the underrated one about revised claim to complain about grunting or something and then goes neck. He said it was unfair that she was working some small side court while Sharipova after her ban on the stadium in Syria and this one Mike. Pretty call didn't even like I was one of the people reacted the room when she said on is I'm in the third round. Yeah I'm not sure where she is or something because she was already lost. And you have those sort of elements like those were. There's youtube compilations of radio in these things extremely injured. And whatever else like you know there is Yeah like that kind of stuff was kind of popcorn catnip in the sport a lot of times and but it also just came from a place of keeping it real like. That's what I appreciate about her. Is that for as much as she was Super Polish when she was a Madison Avenue. Poster grow the fancy endorsements like she also is like a Brawler yes. Three-foot yeah absolutely a shredder. Not and that you know and that combination could appreciate the duality of that and be throat if you know intimidated or put off by the sort of glamour side of her or distance by that by that sort of cold super polished veneer but also then yeah but then appreciate the sort of the finer within and I think she her house and that With pretty pretty impressive and a career win on you know you. You go the super punishment when she was selling one of her products or whatever it Sunday no I mean boys. Matches was being approved in the press room. When I'd say that was more honesty and I dunno I think you you go but glimpses of kind of what? She's about what she's like what she's done so it was sort of interesting dame onto her career the piano period in which you're very late in her career with her longtime coach said. Grunfeld you know with her very insular team and goes to train at an academy in Italy where she's just sort of basically one of and obviously she still you know herself and still a big star and outside person there but she kind of goes in his part of more of a team atmosphere part of more of a traditional ecosystem and team and she's training alongside Yanic Center. Who's the seventeen year old or now eighteen year old prodigy from Italy and they're sort of sharing ports together occasionally hitting together? I think announcing in and Daniel Weird Christmas videos Like and she mentioned in the in the in the Chrysler interview that she sent a video to center of skiing like for him to look because he was a competitive ski racer and he was like. Yeah maybe six to ten because she never got her in her life because that's one of things people tennis players very quickly talker skiing. Because it's like high risk activity that's contractually forbidden for most of them while they're playing the chair tova sort of went to this very grassroots kind of like tennis camp. It's not. It's not the right word tennis like training camp essentially. But it's kind of interesting and it's the way that I have this reaction Serena and stuff to like because they're such big stars you could forget. They're like tennis lifers they are. They are like you know when Serena like it kind of stands out to Serena Miss Arena when Lake. She's making she makes like really old. Hokey TENNIS JOKES. Like she said at some point last year like. Oh you know usually only come to the net to shake hands. Which is this Corny. Tennis joke in the world and like this arena is fluent in that language and that varies sort of like you know leathery old tennis coach from your like that and she grew up in that like you can kind of lose sight of that in their big symbolic stuff and cheerful last chapter. I think was very much her. You know getting in touch with that that border and sort of humbling herself a bit to be part of that level and the way that I thought was interesting. An humanizing also above a full circle moment. Since I know you've done. Welcome kind of the proletariat data meets kind of dairy and then and you know trying to find different at different times in the middle of nowhere you think it kind of reflects that she kind of exhausted options and this is where we all know that that's nothing for for from our perspective. Anything lift to none. She came out on a very specific time. It was kind of like the right place at the right time and a lot of ways and I I the reason I say that is because I've been thinking it's been very interesting in the last year watching. How much attention coca golf has gotten at me? We have this conversation. How much central Coca Golf Scott? And how much attention needs to move has largely not gotten or at least how am Anthony's the mobile who's had better results in a golf has only it's also an American teenager has not really captured the public imagination. Quite the same way so far. Yeah I think Sherpa coming on the heels of all that Corner Cova stuff you're talking about. There's an interesting sort of bridge and maybe in some ways kind of maybe the last a certain kind of player you know carrying on a tradition of of being that kind of that particular kind of like Regal distant figure in the sport. I'm not sure I don't usually any equipment to her younger generations. Maybe genie people mentioned but genius does not anywhere near her relevance. I don't see anyone really being the next Sharipova meaningfully for for a long time in that same year of the Calabria she was. I mean I think she. She completed that rolling away. Because because of Uniqlo with GonNa go over she had. She wasn't able to attain the success whereas chopper was billed as marketable white blonde woman. And I don't know I think now that's a take off for someone to just follow up you know. I don't think some the focus is just gonNa jump to someone who is as As possible because she's already the woman totally absolutely and Her impact on the sport is pretty big and as yours Tony. Thank you for being here. On short notice CR two emergency chipotle retirement episode any any further thoughts on her before. Let you wrap is up of who goes sadie moments. What what's the most? It's the more talk one I mean for me. Just because like she went like it had been because those are the context. Like there's an article that came out in rolling stone a feature on Serena and rolling stone which was messy and a lot of different ways that article but one of the things that was that that the writer wrote about was having her was being in. The car was three and a while. She had a phone conversation that she assumed was about Sharipova. Basically and so. That was sort of like this sort of like blind item. Kind of thing but anyhow Like for three hundred. I sure hope they take it so far in her clapback into co like right for like three and it's personal life in that way was Was it got I was personalized? Personalized DOES INSULT. But it was just sort of like it was like. Wow that was the sort of two of the shipping moment of of deputy of this decade. I'd be like wow is this. I mean on Bomba going. It's funny the way the Serena shop over relations a kind of disgust. They kind of get that. That was the moment where everything went to tread. Some Shaw that for a long time was a mutual dislike or whatever they kind of take on more the author honey orange each other. You're exactly dealer even at the at the Olympics actually when they when Selena Love one in the final. I remember when they were leaving. They'll just like jotting and it was very strange and you know it. Was You know there? There have been a thaw. Yeah Yeah they they. They were never friends but and but they kind of just gone with the and it was only in recent years. It has become this huge thing you know. That's when three of us to chop over on the other hand they're not rivals in a an annoyance. It's exhausting I saw. This is not for either of them but I remember being at the first match. They played against each other after Wimbledon. More tackle blow which was twenty fourteen Brisbane and this guy in the crowd is there warming up up shouted winner keeps Grigore. I mean we we talk about the fact that this was to do with them but anyway my my favorite moment was probably run. Run playing against them advice. Go along point him anyway you understand analysts in about an winners that runs to go back and when she finally got the win on the eleventh screen run run across the Muslim said things on a tennis court. Maria was like that kind of you know that was what she was so she was a really really great antagonised. Your frog about ornaments. Partly she with somebody and she's like I you know I do believe that. She and Serena were rivals in the sense. That this was the person who Serena most wanted to be in most would hate to lose to and to me. There's a lot of what a rival is is not does not mean comparable equal time. 'cause WE'RE GONNA has none of those but being someone who is like the most intense the most important matchup like as much as matches were often a lot of close people. Give them credit for first of all a lot of like tight sets in there. Our even as Serena won every match for a long time. But you know seeing the intensity brought out in each other thing was Sharipova As Aranka or Sharapova and was like you know shape of a an an were there were as heated those rivalries but even like Sherpas Yankovitch. Ivanovich like those were matches or Madonna that you're Bouchard or whatever those matches that were just like appointment. Tv and Sharipova was such a a interesting person. Have across that position. Interesting antagonise an opponent and character and all the things to have in the cast and tennis will be less interesting without her. Yeah so there you go. That's a better conclusion. Thank you Tony for being here on the show people can follow you at to carry all on twitter any other places. Any other potent on the Guardian. I'm sure you're up there. You really snappy got your Turtleneck headshot. This really is good. Yeah but I'll be on twitter twitter going by having means I'm happy to be back. Thanks for thank you very much to Toumani for being on the show and thank you guys for listening. Nc are as always. WanNa follow along. When you're not listening you can do so by following on twitter at NC are underscore tennis simmons questions and comments and whatever else to our email no challenges remaining at g mail DOT COM. We also want to thank our backers patriot. Help keep the show going and gift shut out. The ones who've signed on since we last posted an episode. They are Arvin Boozer Meth Alon. Weinstock Stephanie. Chow and J. O. D. as well as to our SLAM CHAMP. Akers who get shots on every show Jonathan Weisbaum Liz Kennel Betty and Chong win? Thank you very much for all your support there. And we look forward to seeing you on another show courtney as I said during that show. We're back on CR soon. We'll discuss are further stories and reactions recollections and anecdotes and whatnot about Maria. 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Episode 280: A Bit on Bubbles

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03:06 min | 6 months ago

Episode 280: A Bit on Bubbles

"The. Welcome to a brief episode of no challenges remaining I've been Rothenberg Happy Halloween Olive. You hope you having a good week. We NC are headed sort of trickier week several different episodes planned out that didn't pan out unfortunately including one I was hoping to do a deeper dive into the Sam Query escapades. Alas AB in lieu of that, those plans The main purpose of this episode is to alert those of you who are Patriot backers of ours or might WanNa be that as. We promise on earlier episode, we uploaded previous longer interview without cinderblock who was a popular guest during his French, Open Daily Episode Appearance We upload that as the Patriots lose of episode this is from a taking chat that I did with him from Australia this year in January talking about a bunch of different stuff including his relationship with other younger players, how it can't represent Kazakhstan and move in the US at a young age accent incidentally just hosted its first ATP this week in Nursultan. So big week for Catholic tennis. So that's Patriot if you're interested hope you check it out also in a very different subject matter yesterday traveled further than I've traveled in eight months. Let's not say much to interview Olea Sharipova and learn more about her accounts of domestic violence that she alleges was committed. By her ex boyfriend, SASHA'S VEIRA, I'll be writing up her story. In the coming days she has a powerful harrowing account in the hope can do it justice that you can take time to read it when it's out if you had already been following her all of this goes into. More details on all different sorts of France. Last thing to American listeners. Please please please please vote and get everybody you know to vote. It's well voting ends on. November. Third Tuesday. Especially if you're lucky enough to be in a relevant state, it really does matter. It's Very very blue places we are. Jealous of your relevance. So thank you for taking the time to do that in. Thank you to signing on to the PORTA. Some patriotic as many of you have done it patriot dot com slash no challenges raining where you can find this out in public full interview. New backers since our last episode or could Barron and Julie Tarps thank you those two and thank you to our slam champ backers. Thank every episode Liz Kennel Jonathan NBA Mary. Carillo Chuang Win Betty Audrey Welland Shamal Roy Suzanne W Johnson me on. Antonio may cover and Les Williams as well as our Goat Backers Mike J. O. D. Charles Sina in Nicole Copeland. That's it for us. By guys put the BOO and Boob Lick. They did the MOMS I. It was a graveyard smash. Coffee home in a flag. They did them all.

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What Did Maria Sharapova Mean to Tennis?

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29:13 min | 1 year ago

What Did Maria Sharapova Mean to Tennis?

"The last week Maria Sharapova told the world that her tennis career is over full of world number one. Maria Sharapova has announced. She is saying goodbye to tennis. The five time Grand Slam winner announced her retirement in an essay for vogue and vanity. Fair Sherpa had an outstanding career including five Grand Slam singles. Titles and a signature victory over Serena Williams at Wimbledon in two thousand and four but she also has a complicated like AC- today. We're joined by the athletics. Charlie Echo share to look at Sharipova reputation as a cold and ruthless competitor. The fallout from her doping suspension. And her heated. But actually one sided rivalry with Serena Williams are taught to that is well. She's not exactly until we'll because Serena Costa Mesa from wondering on the athletic I'm could beat the Davidson and I'm UNDERSCO. It's Wednesday march fourth. And this is the lead. It felt like something. Great something about the emotion therapy because you seem not. 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Charlie how did Maria Sharapova 's retirement announcement go down she made announcement in a penned essay on Vanity? Fair and I think he went out in vogue as well and she basically said that she didn't really have anything less than that. She would miss the competition. The sport was able to expose some of my greatest characteristics. The characteristic of never giving up a fighting for every point of going after my dreams. She talked about putting on her trainers and going out there. And giving it everything but that it was time you know. She had a lot of injuries and she talked about the fact that it'd be nice to be able to do some other things and have a cup of coffee and not worrying about the fact that she should be training or have an extra slice of cake and not think. Oh I'm going to have to do a double training session to make up for that. So it sounded like she'd reached a point where she'd make peace with it. Tennis showed me the world and it showed me what I was made of. It's how I tested myself. And how I measured my growth in so in whatever might choose for my next chapter my next mountain. I'll still be pushing. I'll still be climbing. I'll still be growing the end. And she tumbled way down to number three hundred seventy three in the world rankings. The almost no dear came at the. Us Open last September when she being six one. Six one by Serena Williams in a in a pretty humiliating defeat never really took public beating and in truth of the last few years she she'd had some good results but not really hit the heights of why she was before. So obviously we're Sharipova is now in two thousand. Twenty is very different from where she was when she first burst onto the scene. Remind us about the tennis. World's introduction to Maria Sharapova whether it really came in two thousand and four at Wimbledon Russia's Maria Sharapova was just seventeen and seated thirty as. She made her first appearance in a Grand Slam final facing her twenty two year. Old American Serena Williams the defending champion number one seed and very much the favorites going into the match and it was amazing for me. Personally I was seventeen inches. The same ages. Maria was at that time so I did feel kind of it. Sounds ridiculous but an almost a kinship. You see someone your age doing this remarkable thing. And somehow it's relatable in some kind of crazy way is very different Maria Sharapova than we see now she was a lot less guarded very charming or gig early in her post-match interview. She's kind of laughing and saying. Oh I'm sorry Serena that win this one. I had to take away for one year. Sorry I know they're going to be so many more moments where we're going to plan. I'm sure we'RE GONNA be here one more time and hopefully many more times than other grand slams and then fight for the trophy so thank you for giving me a tough match doing today. At that time anything was possible when someone who's seventeen years old wins Wimbledon. Which is the Holy Grail from? Those plays it. Just Fella the sky's the limit and what are the reactions and the expectations of her immediately. After she wins Wimbledon. What is interesting because the year before? Roger Federer had won his first Wimbledon two thousand and three and by this point a year on he defended his title and he was already looking guy who's going to dominate and there was some thoughts those are kind of parallel there with Sharapova that she could do something similar in the women's game that she would unseat Serena Williams the son he felt like okay. This is GonNa be a rivalry that could well defined women's tennis. And can you describe Maria Sharapova? Tennis game what is she like on the court I think? Most people from the outside see Sharipova as very glamorous very poised you know. She carries herself in quite a regal manner. But on the cool she is a street fight. Sherifi point a game style was not necessarily the most aesthetically pleasing. You know it was quite Doggett. She would turn her back on her opponent. When they're trying to serve territojuted some players and was seen as evidence of this kind of superiority. She had as a moment The French Open in two thousand and eight when she was getting stick the crowd and she smashed the full on when a and screamed at the crowd. I lay up. She was someone who was deemed by competitors and rivals as being pretty cold. She wasn't someone who had a whole lot of friends in the locker room and her view was like we're not friends. We're trying to beat each other on the call. So why pretend she was sort of seen as the Lawrence herself and think kind of liked it that way you know. I think she thought it gave her an edge and and it probably did against players who are intimidated by and listen. I feel like I need to jump in here and say that there are plenty of male athletes. Who Don't make friends with their competitors and we we don't really make a huge issue of it. Yeah absolutely. But it's also impossible to overlook that Maria Sharapova was was beautiful and clearly marketable and she was compared a lot at the time to Annakournakova another beautiful blond tennis player from Russia now on a corner Kobe from Russia. So anything better today. I mean I don't know why you brought her name Maria. That was the context that Annakournakova. Who was this great beauty and burst onto the scene? As a sixteen year old herself reached the Wimbledon semifinal and then the narrative when that she became distracted by all of the of course stuff. She's single. She sells sex in tennis and she makes good moving in two thousand five two years after her last WTI match Cornucopia was still earning upwards of four million dollars from endorsements going around with social media. Last week was a transcript of a press conference evolving Maria Sharapova rat. She before she won't win would and so two thousand three. She's a sixteen year old and she's getting questions on that topic and it's it's really quite staggering. She's being asked questions. Like how prepared you to fill the COVA GAP? And then she's playing against a young American who is also deemed as being a blonde and beautiful and the British tabloids were cooling at the battle of the Babes and this is a sixteen year old and it was a combination of Sharipova sort of very traditional beauty and winning. That led her to be this really marketable star going back to two thousand and four in that Wimbledon Win. You know you can see the dollar signs in the eyes of a lot of big companies. Okay so here's your new Moto formerly known as a cell phone you were now officially connected to everything or not again key. You look common. Nyc made her huge part of their global brand. They did special bespoke campaigns with winning. This is pretty good stuff. So she suddenly everywhere and that just intensifies over the years to the point where she launches her own candy brand sugar pover- In two thousand twelve. We came across these really kind of sexy fun lip images and then we created a sunglass person. High heeled shoe shapes for the she collection tennis balls which are really fun. She became this enormous brand for one of a better word slightly transcending this ball and she is consistently topping the list of highest paid female athletes. That goes on every year from two thousand fifteen her endorsements a dwarfing her prize money and she's ending morning -dorsements from Serena. Despite the fact that Serena is the preeminent player so that becomes part of the way that that rivalry is framed and today it seems unfair. That sharipova would have made more money than Serena because she was the pretty one because a lot of that has to do with Serena being black and how the media defines beauty. But it's interesting to me to hear you talk about especially Sharapova earlier years of being compared to Corna Cova and being a teenager and being asked about her looks when she just wanted to play tennis and I guess I I never thought to ask if that was something that the media had unfairly placed on. Her is such a complicated topic but certainly that there was a lot of attention on her. And when you're getting offers from huge companies wanting to debate endorsements with you. If you're confident you can do it without compromising tennis. Then why shouldn't you so for this arena fans who criticized Sharapova? I don't think she is the problem here. I think those a much wider issues. Also Sharapova becoming this massive brand as you said and while she's not as dominant on the court as Serena she does win a fair share of major tournaments. She was the Uso Thousand Six Lost Yes Maria Sharapova sinks to her knees and does have her day. Rain opened in two thousand eight Marina. Shell shed tears into the red clutches and the French Open and this is possibly the most impressive because on clay non actual surface for her. She described herself as a cow on ice on cladding and then goes on a wins. The French Open that twice thousand twelve and two thousand fourteen won the prize that so many wonder they'll never get the French Open Championship. And we're Grand Slam. I think the peak of that probe's thousand Australian Open where she wins the title without dropping a set and at that point people are thinking. Okay well she really could dominate the sport. She then has to have a shoulder operation and is never quite the same player again. Really affects US serve which had been such a strength suddenly becomes times almost liability. So that's you know of sliding doors moment in the career of Maria Sharapova and during this time how Serena doing pretty well winning Grand Slams most years and then Serena really starts absolutely dominate the field and around two thousand twelve she. She comes back at that time. Really determined to clean up teams touching more toby. The French coach they form a formidable bond. And that's when those years two thousand twelve to fifteen sixteen. She's winning a stack of Grasslands. Farina time one of the greatest competitor in any sport but anytime Serena with limited champion to the Grand Slam just put a transient does not periods. She's handing out some beatings to to Sharapova sharp over just conic love and really well and that kind of plays into the whole notion. That this rivalry between Serena and Sharipova was actually really lopsided. It's not a rivalry on the call. Chris Clarion of the New York Times. Khuda the UN rivalry and I think that's fair. Because you know Serena ends up beating Chap over nine thousand nine times in a row. So that's another rivalry but off the core. There's some sniping going on. It's becoming clear that I'd like each other. Wimbledon is underway and Serena Williams and Maria Sharapova are fighting off the court overman. Date the same guy in Griego Dmitrov beaucaire Ian Player at that creates more tension so it's great for reporters who are covering it. And the sense is that Serena. She really really wants to beat. Sharapova part is result of that two thousand and four Wimbledon defeat. But also this sense the you know maybe Serena doesn't get the limelight or the credit. She deserves when she feels she. Absolutely should if it would just based on the tennis achievements. We'll see you know. Maria Sharapova was the highest paid female athlete for more than a decade. Despite as you mentioned just not winning as much Serena did. Why do you think that disparity exists? I mean I think she fitted an ideal. She was tool and blonde and and whites. And this is not my view. This is a view that some had I think for many she was more kind of ladylike. You have to remember as well when Serena is starting. Tennis has lots of issues still now but that was a lot of racism towards her inner Venus when when they burst onto the scene a lot of tennis world were quite uncomfortable and unsure. Really what to make of of Serena who came along and had such shea competitive such a non differential such A. I'm just going to beat you attitude and yes shower. Pov- a shed that that will to win but she was happy to you know oppose in the dresses that were on her. And all this sort of thing. And this is not a tool a comment on on Sharapova Serena these are really complex attitudes crystallized in this rivalry between these two great champions. You know we talked earlier about Sharipova. Bean sixteen and just you know just being a good tennis player and being asked all of these questions about Annakournakova There was this New York. Times article some some years ago. That talked about tennis and body image and some players flat out said to that reporter that they don't go to the gym to build muscle or bulk up because that would hurt their marketability as women athletes. And all of these complicated issues seem to come to ahead. When you're talking about Maria Sharapova versus Serena Williams completely and I think that was a really interesting article and I know that was a lot of backlash against it at the time but I think it did race of really important issues and to see plays going on the record and talking about that. You just realize the pressure that they're under the you know so worried about how they've written about and the way that bodies Scrutinize they would sacrifice some for being in the best position to in tennis matches. I mean it's incredible ready and such a damning reflection on love the media coverage that they get with the capital one saver card. You earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment. That means four percent on milkshakes with the kids in four percent on music with your pals you also earned two percent cashback at grocery stores in one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in capital one. What's in your wallet terms apply? Have you ever wondered how pro athletes manage the transition to normal life after they retire while they're not alone enter the next chapter a new podcast from the athletic hosted by Prince Rip Apart? Each episode Prim Sits Down with former stars like NFL wide receiver. Doug Baldwin Grand Slam. Tennis CHAMPION ANDY. Roddick and former number one overall NBA draft pick. Greg Oden each offering rare insight into the highs and lows of adjusting to life off the court. 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A few days ago I received a letter from the F. that I had failed a drug test at Ustralian Open. She tested postive full mel donation which had not been on the banned list previously. Something that she'd been taking throughout her career by then was added to the banned list at the start of two thousand sixteen because it was deemed to have performance enhancing qualities. She put this down essentially to clerical error. It's very important for you to understand that for ten years this medicine was not on. Wada's banned list and I had been legally taking the medicine and then emerged that her agent. Max is and bud dropped the ball on. He gave the reason that he normally would read through all of this on his annual holiday but because he was going through a divorce he hadn't done it's essentially slip the net. I've let my fans down. I've let the sport down that I've been playing since the age of four that I'd love so deeply. I know that with this I I face consequences and I. I don't want to end my career this way and I really hope that I will be given another chance to play this game kind of widespread astonishment that someone is corporate and cold and calculating inefficient as Maria Sharapova could essentially be out by not reading an email or a list. But it's pretty amazing because she's given a two year ban at that time and this is for one of the most high profile players in the sport it then gets brought out fifteen months after an appeal with the Court for Arbitration for sport. But I mean this sent shockwaves route tennis at the time. And what was her explanation for for taking Melatonin? Why did she say she needed that? Shed a family history of diabetes. She said the Russo issues with a heart. I believe so. It was deemed as medical conditions. That prompted her to take this drug and there was some skepticism about those those explanations yes rhapsody were and when she returned she was asked. Well what are you taking now the fact that you can't take modem for those for those conditions you know wh what does it. You'll take him to compensate for that perfectly reasonable question in my view and she wouldn't answer it but I definitely think by that. Time of March twenty sixteen. She was being portrayed in the meteors ice queen and there was a feeding feeling of superiority. And so I think this idea that she'd go competitive advantage and then didn't seem to be really politicizing for it that much. I think that all ties into this view that this is someone who thinks they're above the school. After serving that fifteen month suspension sharipova returns in two thousand seventeen. But because she's been out of the game for so long she doesn't have the ranking to play every tournament that year but she does play in the US Open fourth round of the US Open is is one of a better results really on the comeback trail She reaches the cool to find out the French. Open the following year and she does win a title in China but she never really comes. Close to being a factor again. And you know this is a big talking point because a lot of people say well they go she. She was never able to really do anything when she didn't have muldoon. Which is an over simplification of it. You know by the time she comes back. She's that much older. She's had fifty months out the spor. The shoulder injury is really starting to buy and she's picking up other injuries as well. So it's a combination of things but for those people who wanted to track I suppose from her career it it. It certainly grist to that now and in the midst of this comeback in September of two thousand seventeen. Her autobiography comes out. And it's it's controversial. Yeah to say the least I mean even the The title of Air Unstoppable tells you a little bit about you know Sharapova and how she viewed yourself and you know. The the obvious retool to that is well. She's not exactly unstoppable. Because Serena constant beating and Serena becomes the key antagonist in the book. I think she's mentioned around one hundred times answering talk about that. She shoe just surprised that she was such a big part of a book. It felt like Sharapova was really defining herself against Serena Williams. Spoke of almost an obsession with Serena and you know again. I think people who felt that wasn't really much contrition or owning up to what had gone wrong in that whole Mel Dome Scandal. It seemed to be more in some people's eyes point-scoring against Serena on so now that share is retired. What is her career head-to-head record against arena? So it's to answer. Sharapova Twenty Fifth Serena Williams and bear in mind that figure was at two one Sharapova at the end of two thousand and four and then Cerita rose off. Nineteen straight victories. It's unbelievable really and you know that six. One six one beating Serena dished out to Sharapova the US Open last year was it was quite fitting end point for that on rivalry and look. I mean the amount of success that she's had five grand slams. It's a remarkable career full. Stop right she just happens to be playing in the same era as the greatest tennis player of all time. Yeah absolutely and there are a lot of players. Who Will they might have one more majors but happened to keep running into Serena? So Charlie one when you look back on. Maria Sharapova Career. What do you think is her legacy think legacy is as a maximize know? Someone who wasn't as I say necessarily the most elegant player or the most talented player but she worked her arse off and you know go everything out of her game and that's really to her credit. She talked about Farewell Essay the my mental fortitude has always been my strongest weapon and I think that's right that that was a big strength. You know then took the two thousand sixteen modernism scandal is is career tainted maybe to a degree. There is back Asterix but I still think that should take away from an incredible career and five grand slams. That's a pretty fantastic legacy to leave. Behind and beat Serena Williams Wimbledon final aged seventeen. No one can ever take that away from well Charlie. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you very much. Having you can read more of Charlie Echo shares writing at the athletic dot com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead. A truly bizarre war of words has erupted between the New York Knicks and longtime superfan Spike Lee avenues and the same interest. Twang plus years. The employee enters on thirty third street. Basically Spike was seen on video yelling at Madison Square Garden Security Guard about which entrance he should use when entering the arena and he spoke about the incident with espn then and then they said we want to lead the guard. I put my hands behind my back and I said arrest me like my brother. Charles Oakley afterwards knicks owner. James Dolan was seen speaking with spike but was apparently unable to calm him down. Are you going back to the Knicks game this year now dishes? Are You canot no? I'm coming back next year. I'm dumping sees them done. The Knicks released a statement saying quote. The idea that spike Lee is a victim because we have repeatedly asked him to not use our employees entrance and instead use a dedicated. Vip entrance which is used by every other celebrity who enters the garden is laughable. But I don't know could beat the missing. The rest of the Knicks season hardly seems like punishment anybody mess with spike. Thanks for listening today. If you like our show Joe. Forget to subscribe on your favorite podcast APP from wondering on the athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson and I'M UNDERSCO see tomorrow.

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So you agree? You think you're really pretty. (The Maria Sharapova Doping Scandal)

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So you agree? You think you're really pretty. (The Maria Sharapova Doping Scandal)

"Hey everybody! I'm Rachel Veneta and I'm rich for phone and this is all shape. Hi Rachel Hey Girl we are all right now I have like manifested the largest. Is it on my face or is it? Can you stop now I? Candidates being nice now you're having Nice I can't over resume. It's like Avatar on zoom now, and it hurts so bad, and this is just a representation of my life I out. I think faces are all getting used to our masks, and maybe our pores. Are you know adjusting? What the segues nicely into what I WANNA talk about which is high school. I. WanNa ask You Rachel. Were you more of a golden child or like a black sheep? Like where were you frame in high school Oh man. I was probably here. I'll give you an example. I was in my family and my Indian American immigrant family, a black sheep, because I was Weirdo, and like different things than like I was supposed to like or whatever, but then to my white friends parents I was like the good one. 'cause I got good grades, or whatever yeah I would say I was the black sheep in my family I was very obsessed with a witches when I was younger said I think you definitely a weird way situation. Brothers were all very scared of me like they tell me these stories of ways to creep them out. Like I used to like put dolls in places and I talk about the witches and our backyard. It's happened. My brothers are the Blair witch project and I just wanted to fit in. I just wanted to be a part of it and I just took it to a level. That was not okay. That's kids. Oh, that's cool I'm gonNA love rainbows for. Exactly and then I just became obsessed with witches, and then everyone in my family was afraid of me so. Say a black sheep. I! I mean let's be as all of us. Most of us are in a box that encompasses both like sometimes. We're golden children. Sometimes. We're black sheep right now. We get boxed in a lot and today. I WanNa talk to you about a famous athlete. I think was perceived one way, but whose truth like was pretty different. And that person is tennis player Maria Sharapova. Much. Skin. So. I WANNA. Begin today story on March seventh two thousand sixteen. There's a bunch of reporters sitting in one of those weird hotel ballrooms with ugly carpet at the L. A. Hotel downtown, awaiting the arrival of the here over story today, twenty nine year, old tennis superstar, just twenty nine at the time Maria Sharapova, and she has called a press conference on short notice. Been Q. for being here on such short notice They're all sitting there. Maria decked out in a black suit. That's kind of like it looks all business, but then if you look closer, it's like all business adjacent because it's like cropped. There's a ribbon Oh. Maria Anyway. She walks out front of what I gotTA. Tell you is the saddest beige curtain I have ever seen. And she like unfolds a piece of paper and everyone's like what she going to say. For being here on on such short notice. Is Her Candy Branch Sugar Povoa coming out with a new line of gumdrops like we are on the edge of our seats I wanted to let you know that a few days ago, I reached before i. tell you what she said. Let's get to know a girl a little bit. Yeah Oh my Gosh you've left this on such cliff-hanger, what? Business suit I need to know. So Maria Sharapova was born on April nineteenth, nineteen, eighty, seven in Russia and she played professional tennis for Russia, but has lived in and been a permanent resident of the US since Nineteen ninety-four. Have you ever been to Russia before? No I know you have because you love those hot dogs. Those Russian hotdogs that got you. A wild place anyway, the story goes as a child in Russia Maria. Sharapova went to a youth tennis clinic and met famous Czech player Martina Navratilova. While she was there. Martinez saw Maria talent and recommended to her parents that they get in touch with Nick Bollettieri. If you remember from the Monica Seles Episode Yeah. Big Tennis Sky Yes. I recognize that name. Yeah, he liked coach Monica. Seles Andre, Agassi both Williams, sisters long. Up in your bedroom to because you just wanted him as a coach more than anything. So in one, thousand, nine, hundred, four Maria, and her father pack up, they leave Russia, and they had to Florida where the Nick Bollettieri. Academy is based They had to borrow money from his grandparent's just to get there. And then they got there and they were turned away. Because it's invitation, only which was like maybe Oh, ooh, drop a google search definitely like make a call before. Leave. Russia left Russia for Florida. Long wait just another piece of context. It's important. She was only seven years old at the time. which is too young to enter any way, can I ask you is what if what if one of them I mean? You've told me. Both of them are wicked smart. What if one of them wants to do? Something like in? Russia like, are you? What would you do? I'm not big like let's grow horizontally and not vertically as human so I think it would have to be a passion. Case by case, but in general I'm like. Kids should get to be kids. I always just find parents like whether. It's like moving them to Hollywood to become an actor at like seven years old. I just find that so fascinating. It's fascinating and I don't want to over generalize. Because I'm sure it's not always true, but it often seems accompanied by the parents owned like vicarious. Desires than is by just the pure like I want to buy my kids so yeah tricky not always though but often. I feel like Maria is dad at seven years old flying her from Russia to the US. To move there without doing just like the smallest bit of research probably falls into the category of. Not Doing my best job. To leave Russia and go live in Florida where. Got Beaches and beautiful things and Actually Know Florida does have people yelling and being yet. Anyway, she then got another coach spent two years. Training came back to the Academy at age nine which. She could get it now. She was the in inappropriate age for it, and she did so well in those tryouts that she was given a full scholarship, so she showed a lot of promise. Do. You know if they move back to Russia between those two years now. I think they stayed here like that was his parents were like you already barred? I'm not giving you more cash to come. Dumb and didn't do a preliminary just like info search. Anyway she's Maria. Sharapova started competing on the world tour in two thousand and one. And at the age of seventeen in two thousand four, she upset the favorite. Serena Williams at. Of Wimbledon. Promised like. One HELLUVA career one hell of a rivalry. To Give Maria Sharapova her do credit. She is one of only ten women to hold a career. Grand Slam in singles, which means she's one each of the majors the Australian the French Wimbledon the US Open at least once. Just for context, others who have achieved this are Serena, Williams. We just talked about Steffi graff Margaret Court Chris? Evert and Martina Navratilova so like pretty incredible company pretty good. But despite that original upset of Serena in two thousand four that promise this like just like Oh man, that's new up. Start her career record against Serena. At the end of her career was twenty three. So like Sharipova did well. Don't get me wrong. She's real good, but maybe not in that like elite elite status like she never quite lived up to that upset. She does have thirty six total singles titles. With a career record of six, forty, five and one seventy one, which means she's one seventy nine percent of the time she's played. which is you're going to hell? Allow more than she's lost. Yeah, not too shabby for contrast Serena Williams's seventy three singles career titles, eighty five point, three winning percentage and Steffi Graf had one hundred seven career titles with an eight point seven winning percentage so again. Really the company, but not like right up not up there and yet when it came to making money, sh. Right up there. She was at many points, the highest paid female athlete in the world. Despite not being in that tippy top echelon tennis-wise, she was a bigger star with more endorsements than a lot of her contemporaries, even ones. Arguably better at tennis I think I know this. Well Look, she is pretty. She's super tall. She's a skinny Minnie blond, which is like the white lady triple crown thank. You know that's the lottery. and. She was tennis. Darling, which is an image. She definitely worked hard to cultivate. She kinda knew she wasn't Serena level good, but what she could crush was trading on this idea of her that people had because of her looks where they assumed she was fairly wholesome and drama free. So just like an advertisers and the tennis associations wet dream. Everything about her and she loved to play up to it. She also despite the fact that it really wasn't built up this rivalry with Serena Williams in her head, so in her two thousand seventeen memoir called unstoppable my life so far. She talks about what she considers their fraught relationship. And it becomes very clear that Serena looms large in Meritas idea of herself and her history. What's less clear is how real that rivalry really. So wait was she liked talking shit about Serena and her. Yeah girl. Let's get there. there. Many a think piece written about how racially charged and coded Sharapova 's language was around it. Yeah. So here's a quote from Maria. Sharapova book, which writer and journalist Bim DUMI references. First of all Sharipova Rights Williams physical presence is much stronger and bigger than you realize watching TV, she has thick arms and thick legs, and is so intimidating and strong. Yeah, she's stronger than you baby. Womb knee also noted that the rivalry that was set up by Sharipova Wimbledon upset of Serena never really materialized into much of anything which I think we've covered. She had this one big win and then everybody Maria most herself wanted to create a narrative around it, but it. It was like a story mostly made up her head. Yeah. Yeah so vox writer Alex Abbad. Santos says that he doesn't really think the Serena. Maria drama is like a really true sports rivalry. He considers it more like a feud. And so when it comes to feuding will that's a place where our girl Maria can hang with the best unlike intended very one one-sided though. From Serena yet, but it sounds like somebody is jealous how I find. These like one sided sports rivalries so funny like. There's I'm GONNA. Get in trouble saying this I think, but there's like a huge rivalry between Ohio state and Michigan. It's like one of the great rivalries in football. But Michigan State's like our biggest rivals Michigan, but Michigan's like it's minus Ohio State. It's funny. How? They're just trying so hard. I think we all have them in our heads, like not even in sports where there's like a rival, but they're only a rival. You're not a rival back to them. Yeah, you just don't want that rivalry because it makes you look like you're in that. You're in the mid that you're a kind on. You're not how I feel. Maria is with Serena So Yeah Maria Sharapova despite cultivating. This image is a petty bitch. That doesn't mean Serena. Couldn't throw it back in an interview before Wimbledon in two thousand thirteen. With rolling stone, she said. Of Maria Sharapova she begins every interview with I'm so happy I'm so lucky it's so boring. She's still not going to be invited to the cool parties and hey, if she wants to be with the guy with Blackheart, go for it Serena was referencing her ex boyfriend at the time. Marinas Current Boyfriend Whoa Whoa Whoa they shared a boyfriend share Sharipova through this back to the press about Serena if she wants to talk about something personal maybe should talk about her relationship and her boyfriend that was married, and is getting a divorce and has. She has so much in her life. Many positives and I think that's what it should be about okay, so that's a real weird way to. Characterize your rifle. I Also noted that the rivalry was set up by Sharipova as Wimbledon upset of three and early in her career, but like as we've now said multiple times that didn't really materialize into her career. It happened the one time. So I think the point is Sharipova, had a history of throwing Jabs Serena's way. She just like it's like this figure that she knew she kind of didn't live up to being true rival of but like so spent her life like trying to create a rivalry, and so she's constantly say these weird things. Coded in her like Maria, Sharapova Golden Child language, but we all see what she's doing and I'm like Maria. That is so fake like when somebody says something like really dark and mean but they ended with, we should focus on the positive. It's like you were just. throwing. Being so much shade. There's an like I like bitch. You started that drama. I didn't realize how whole areas this was it's. Exciting. So even though Serena I think most would say was the best female tennis player for this whole period of time. The highest salary. was held by Maria Sharapova. Despite her record being nowhere near impressive, it wasn't until two thousand sixteen that Serena finally broke Sharipova eleven year. Streak is the highest paid woman athlete so like it happens, so that's good, but like. Sharipova by the way is still the second highest grossing sportswoman of all time according to Forbes, second to Serena of course, but even like a cross female sports. Let's say there are so many people who have dominated their sports more than Maria Sharapova. I think of Maria Sharapova and I don't think of tennis. I mean I know she's tennis player, but I think that I think of her more as like. Oh maybe I'm an asshole for saying this, but. I think of her more as like a front like a celebrity sheriff because she's a fame like an athlete, she's just like one of those people that are famous. She's beautiful and she's got her candy. Why does she? She loves candy as a child. She loves Cambodia. Yeah! Where's your candy I? Don't know this is bullshit. Look to be. It's not Sharapova fall if sponsors pay her a ton of money, it's just pointing out that the image she wants to portray and the human that she actually is are pretty different like she loves to promote this idea of herself as an upstart or Orangina. You the skinny kid who beat Serena at Wimbledon all those years ago as she referred, literally refers to herself in her memoir like she thinks of herself as some sort of underdog and to me, it's like when Taylor swift was like. Look at me and my model friends all of us we feel. Like you, we're like. You do not. Know. And I feel like Sharipova does that same thing. That's no. No one's feeling. Sorry for any of these you know and so considering her image in the sport as like a whole some. Rule following woman. And her spot as a media darling, what comes next is very much outside of this narrative, which takes us back to this fateful day in March where we stand up before we get to. Go into an APP. Hollis shame is brought to you by Molson. 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And a few days ago after I received, the I flutter I found out that it also has another name of Melania. MM-HMM, which I did not know which was banned by the World Anti Doping Agency the Wada at the end of two thousand fifteen, so we're in two thousand sixteen, so it was very nearly banned. The drug is a hormone and metabolic modulator which specifically increases oxygen and blood flow. So effectively. Mel Doniama enhanced performance and had been on the WADA's watchlist. For Awhile it's been banned in the US and the EU, but of course as ever Russia still allows it because Russia. What doesn't. Allow correct heroin made. So Maria explained that ten years ago. Understand that for ten years. This medicine was not on WADA's banned list and I had been legally taking the medicine. So long before it was banned, her family doctor had prescribed her this medicine that contained this ingredient. She didn't know what the time and that it was only band as of January first, two thousand sixteen, so when she started taking it many years earlier, it was totally legal. I don't know if you guys can hear an Iro, but I'm doing it right. And she said given this medicine. By my doctor for several health issues that I was having back in two thousand and six I I was getting sick. A Lot I was getting the flu. It was for like other health reasons. She was getting sick a lot irregular EKG's indications of Diabetes I. Don't know I was like. Jesus girl like Healthy Stop Eating Candy I'll tell you. What if you indications of Diabetes Maybe don't start candy brand. Stop eating cinnamon hearts can I. She started taking this medication. How old! It sounds like. Either way this medication for a very long time, and still having issues like why are you still taking this medication, so look she. Called this press conference and said she thought it was important to do very important for me to come out and speak about this in front of all of you, because throughout my long career I, have been very open, and because she feels, she has always been open and honest, and takes great responsibility in her professionalism and wanted to admit she made a mistake day, and a made a huge mistake, okay. She knew that the news is going to drop. and. She never works Maria girl. We've been this Rodeo before. I love she's like I. Take Great Pride in my professionalism. Serena shouldn't be dating that guy who's Mary. Also by my gummy worms. So anyway I will say on first glance. It feels like well. It was a newly banned substance that she had been taking forever. So maybe like honest mistake well that I roll is appropriate. Rachel, because five days after the press conference on March, Twelfth, two thousand and sixteen, the it announced that they were imposing a period of ineligibility of two years, so basically from two thousand sixteen to two thousand Eighteen Sharapova would be banned from playing tennis on the professional tour. Do you know at what point in her career this was at like. What was she like having a great year? was she more focused on I mean I? Think if anything endorsement. And think we've learned like. She was never having like a great year. Are So she was. The IT F said that while the mystique was understandable like okay. We just Bam this drug. He'd been taking a long. Sharipova failed to disclose that she was even taking this drug at all and hid her usage of it from anti doping authorities. which like yet can't do so basically on her medical forms or whatever I'm assuming? It's like those like yellow folder. Things that you take to your school to be. Vaccinations. She abjectly omitted this controversial medication, but did list other vitamins and medications, so that's a little shady. Do you know what I'm saying? WHY ONLY OH MEMPHIS? She was so desperate to catch up Serena. Eighty is taking similarly. Just call it what it is. Just call it what it is. So look you think I mean the it stated at the end of their ruling. She is the sole author of her misfortune. Like Dan. Okay this we don't care. So after this ruling, Sharipova immediately announced that she would appeal the ban at the Court of Arbitration for Sports. She felt the two year suspension was unfairly harsh. She also claimed that the ban would result in a loss of millions of dollars, and she wasn't like entirely wrong. Few brands like Porsche tag here and avon either suspended or chose not to extend her contracts, but also Nike head and Evian continue to stand by her like her millions were intact. Her Candy was still selling. It's going to be okay yeah. I don't feel for you, yeah! Her sentence was later reduced to fifteen months, but still like they were not playing around. And here's the funny thing so that we don't feel guilty about the shade we've been throwing. You'd think this tennis darling. Like you know this perfect vision. Of what tennis and advertisers would want would gain support amongst her fellow players for this. All of whom I'm sure have had their own like frustrations with the doping stuff. But the tennis world. Was Not there for her. No sympathy at all reactions range from surprise to demanding harsher consequences, so Oh John McEnroe Regina George of the tennis world. Totally to push. Everybody knew like maybe those endorsers, didn't you? But everybody else so John McEnroe and pat cash said they found it hard to believe her. The seeking being honest Jennifer Capriati hard to believe anybody that comes out after like drugs have been found in their system, and they always claim vitamins I'll always like especially. When she made a choice to list all these other things she was taking. Leave this one off your like shady. Also, if you're a professional athlete, you have a team of people you have trainers. You have wellness. You know all of that. They would know what is illegal and what's not? Literally their job Jennifer Capriati. Who I mean hasn't been without. All of her drama posted on twitter. Sharipova should be stripped of all professional i. Love it Chris ever expressed her of surprise at the poor show of support antennas, for Sharapova noting that she always isolated herself from the rest of the tennis world and from the players so. WAS LIKE I. Get why everybody's not with her. She sucks I understand. Serena Williams expressed surprise Sharipova announcement, but commended her for being upfront with what she had done. So like this queen, our girl Serena is not getting pulled into this fuming day. Go Lay. She was like. Oh, this is so one sided rivalry. I'm not interested become part of it, and that's the best kind of reaction that you love her I. Love Serena Williams. I'm sure you can tell Roger Federer the best men's player in the world and others all publicly condemned Sharipova argued that she deserved to be punished on the basis that she failed the doping test. Like I? They were like you didn't do enough. She sucks. I, love it. There's so many moments where like athletes have been in hot water and people are like no comment, no comment that it. Really everybody in the world like step up to the Mike. All talk talk about our no problem Jennifer. Capriati has played tennis a decade I got something to say. Twitter account for. Roger Federer, like known to be very. Very even to the point of boring like I. This is bullshit, Geno. She says she says she act so the squeaky clean image that we've all been sold on sounds like it might be a little bit of bullshit. Yeah, which raises a couple of questions? Okay the first one is did that squeaky clean image actually hurt her more than someone who is already considered like a troublemaker, a black sheep like you and I. Like her mistakes feel more shocking, you know in that tiger woods kind of way where it's like we're. Like built these brands on these innocent like images, and so whenever they make any mistake, like stands out more. Yeah, but then they have the opportunity to have their great comeback, and then all of a sudden. They're more popular. Than ever before? Not sure public because like no player was having. On the flip side she was also relatively more successful on the publicity and endorsement front than players with more accomplishments on the tennis court, and like the question is if she didn't look like she looked. Would she have gotten all that she got? It's complicated because she was in arguably a good player, if not a great one. But with someone. Who was equally the same as her on the tennis front, but didn't look like her and didn't go through such extensive measures to appear a certain way have gotten the same accolades like it's just interesting. It's an interesting question. And my answer is. Yes saying no, but it does sound. Shifts. She wasn't. It seemed like she was in the realm like she was. That's where it's complicated. It's not like tennis player. Herat do I so maybe she would have made a million as opposed to them. multimillions yeah, because she was blonde and beautiful, exact less a question of. Did she deserve something of course very good, but if someone who didn't look like her like someone who looked like was. But it was like I'm sure there's so many like. Marketing Work for like tag hewer that are like Oh my God. We don't have to hire a model. We have tennis player that model. It's like the best of both worlds it's already is yeah, here's my take. It's not like super, original or anything but like. Look is if someone wants to pay me a lot for something. I'm here for that so I get. But I'm wary as hell of anyone who like lean so hard into being a darling or a sweetheart or golden childlike, who leans really hard into that category because to me. I'm like that is a red flag. There is always such a layer of darkness. It's like Tracy Flick. There's something about being so beholden to being seen as like innocent square and good that I find so off pudding and kind of straight up terrifying, like I like my heroes flawed and human and willing to own that you're means anybody. That's nice all the time. I'm like. There's something fucked up going on with you always like. Sakes soon as we talk about all these athletes like on the surface, I think Maria. Sharapova is probably like the most squeaky clean person. We've talked about on this podcast you now. She's not bringing like a sixer. The clubhouse like Mr Wade, Boggs, or whatever the fact that there were so many. That came out and we're like. No, no, no, you're right like. She said. It's were like we didn't ask like. No, but I just feel like I need to say yeah, can I tell you? Like the day after or maybe two days after this press conference I running in Manhattan beach and I ran past her. CELEBS, citing the D like the day or the day after. Yeah, it was weird like she was very. I think she was running with her trainer and I was just like Oh my God. She's going through a lot, right. She ran by just like super. Girl Sharipova. We don't like fake people because. I feel like they're. They're the scariest and they have the most punishable faces. We'll thank you for listening. That was fun I didn't realize all the pettiness between her and Serena. Largely one-sided, which is my favorite part of it? Well! Rachel I'm excited for next week. We'll have another fun out to. He up another one coming your way, thank you for listening. See next week tobacco. Hall of shame is a product of crooked media. 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Episode 293e: Australian Open 2021 - Day 7: Women's Star Power Shines

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Episode 293e: Australian Open 2021 - Day 7: Women's Star Power Shines

"The welcome to challenges remaining on day seven of the australian open which was a banner day particularly the women's side of the draw three hugely high profile for matches and a win by shea seaway. It was quite the day here. Joined by my dear friend courtney win. Hi courtney hello benji and remember layoffs here to double dipping usually only get like one buddy on the show today to tremendous thinks he's podcast friend friends. Hey ram hi guys. Thank you for having me. Obviously i'm sleep-deprived on. This might not make much sense. But i or between all of us and our sleeping or whatever. We managed to see the matches that happened today at the australian open to simultaneous Which were the first match for. I much of finish was shaky way beating market on josefa than simultaneous lasting longer. Than that was naomi. Osaka saving two match points to be seen larussa and then the next match labor after that was three and williams arena sanca and then in the night match that we just saw was how up coming back down to be fantastic. Let's see big picture stuff. I guess and we'll go kinda granular and each of those matches. What according to. I just wish you guys could see. He's got hands. yes no it was. It was a great day. I mean you know when you get a lineup like that First of all it's exciting and there's obviously hype but you also want that hype to come true. You want it to be justified. We get into these. We used to get into these traps for example. Sometimes when you would hype a serena of venus match and the match itself would kind of you know yes. Obviously it's a high will match like marquee wise but the actual match itself maybe was awkward or just lack some luster. Same with sharipova serena times that was one of the matches especially in the last five years or so of charipova career where it just. He just didn't want to hide it anymore. Like you're like. I know i should 'cause you know it's an event that big but it's not the two names and women's tennis but i kind of know what's going to happen. Yeah so to have these three matches especially two of them between players who had never faced each other in in naomi and gardenier lena and blanca. You know all of them are playing. Well you have to think it's going to be good but you don't know you have literally have no idea what this matchup is going to look like because we've never seen it so for those to come through and be awesome was great. I thought she tech hallett match was fascinating on many different weird levels which we can discuss. But i guess. I'll put it back to you guys. What was the match of the day for you for me. It was asaka mcgrew. I think Because i thought i had cut cement bantam swings to it i felt like and i just love seeing naomi just like be too so boss at the end that was one that was like the best sort of like moments of the match was. When did the end of that match everything. You know my friend. Who's european blogger. William lee atom says. He could win eurovision in a moment. You know if you have one tackler note or shot or animation and whatever happened and i feel like in this sort of context. Subjective voting for things when we did from matchpoints down in that match. I think was gives me gives her the not for me. That was that was her can cheetah worst moment vastly went incognito worse when there's a key change and the flames come out behind her on the thing on the fire animation exactly. I'm aware we know it'll be are outside. Phoenix go ahead. I unfortunately could not watch that match. So i feel like a miss the match of the day but i watched the other two. I watched simona an iga and serena and and actually i'm torn between those two. They were very different one of them. I felt like with with the with the echo simona match. It was like i felt like seema was a tactical genius. At some point. I felt like there was so much tactic. So much like mental stuff. Going on there was whereas with serena's salunke i have not seen power versus power like that in a very long time like i do. Remember being live and you were with me. Ben when we watched petra against serena in cincinnati when we watch the photo pet we could we could feel the power without one because we were like super close but like today was ten times more like it was crazy so maybe just from the shock value of it. I prefer enjoyed serena blanca more but both of them were really good. I really enjoy both. I didn't get to watch. Much of the serena sabah linka batch so it's kind of funny how we all kind of rotated through only because i had to do press and everything and all the stuff of the other match so that kind of ran over but from what i saw. Every time i looked over. I was just gasping at at just the sheer hitting and again. I think i said this in our in our draw draw preview or draw. Reaction podcast serena. Just look so good on the movement side and just how and how that translates into the confidence and how she's playing tennis is really really cool to see. So yeah and then so that match from what i saw was incredibly compelling but yeah the the maybe it's recently bias as well but watching sheehan tech an haluk. Yeah watching help problem solve that match. Also i just personally find fantastic like for me personally right now the most fascinating player to watch only because she has all these accomplishments. But we haven't actually in the grand scheme of things seen that much of iga like even people who have seen a lot of iga have not seen a lot of iga in in you know and and and we haven't seen her in so many of the basic kind of situations match situations tournament situations that we've used to seeing other people in so i just find just incredibly compelling to see her every time. She accepts on the court. I'm always like. I want to see how you handle this. You know lynn. And that's what. I find compelling. I haven't that's one of the interesting things about this whole day to is with the exception of the magritte's osaka. They're both very much like kind of known. Slam quantities at this point more or less like saba lenka was kind of unknown state to you. Know venture osha. Actually just go through the matches one by one. If that makes it easy to organize so let's start with. No that's fine we're doing. This is all i'll get but we'll start with. Actually that was the shortest match Sue a one four into makes her first slam quarter final at thirty five. Remember we were not high on her show we were. She had not been playing cricket well during the resigned now she had a tough. I running perenco is. She watched premature most of that match and that she was really good at of And then i wasn't sure that do arrogant address. Who could actually beat her before. And just look pretty good against boozer nasko and she beat interest groups soundly and then outlasted irani who had beaten her three times each time with a bagel as away in her very soon away points out and then today she does seem in control. And she's in the quarters end. It's for the one section that sort of collapsed on paper because it was not that one could have been interested. Tournament is like a really high-voltage blind if that have been the fourth match but that is the person who comes through like makes everyone so delighted that no one mike minds and it's actually like a fun bonus so what. What is it been like seeing seaway on this run here to her first quarterfinal and twenty one. It's wild it's wild and it's great because it feels like a three year journey with sue way. I mean you know. She always was kind of this hipster. Pick but really didn't have the consistent results and then had that really great. What was it two thousand eighteen thousand nineteen Where schmidt to rounded sixteens at the majors and you know and she became this kind of singles threat in a very real way and so then again. It was one of those where you got to see her a lot. 'cause she was winning more and as you are on court and playing matches against big players more people see you and this this this momentum behind you as a fan favorite begins to genuinely and organically build and ricky diamond start standing ricky diamond. I mean sliding those. Dm's just standing standing the heck out of shape but In respectful ways coming to. Rdm's talking about i. He's like no no no our making clear the slime to the things different than what you were thought. I thought you were saying he was slipping. Sir i was not. And i apologize if i misspoke ricky diamond. I didn't mean to. His lawyers will be contacted show pretty quickly but yes oh so. She's been this this fan favorites. She wins like shot of the the month a lot. Like all that and so two then. Now see get to see this. It feels great because it doesn't feel like it's completely out of nowhere you know. She's knocking on the door. She has kind of this fan consensus. Everyone's happy for her. Nobody's talking like nobody's pulling a wick. Meyer on her. Like you know what i mean. Not at all like oh great. Oh this is going to be tough for osaka. I was going to tweet that that this was going to be an incredible litmus test on tennis commentators like whoever immediately reacted to osaka winning being like oh she's got a great shot for the semifinals. She plays shea next. Like it would be like. You're you need to turn in your your coverage card because not during during that match. As i was watching asaka mugabe's i think the color commentator on the on the world feed. She was saying like oh really. Good chance in the next match. And i was like Mugabe's as owen to again su. A and naomi has had hellish times against way even if she's escaped most of them were. She lives rent-free in her complete. Like it and so yeah so beautiful. Penthouse the one sort of comparison other. We need comparisons. But i was salsa tweet. A list of like people who the most grand stands for making their first quarter-final actually through it wasn't that high on the list because she hasn't been a lot of krishna wasn't maindraw directed slam. She was up and down a lot more in down but the one who popped up. Who reminded me of her. A sort of affection standpoint was tanasugarn's he has also list timing tanasugarn's also made a wimbledon quarterfinal pre late in her career for the first time. And that was one of those very similar. Like if you know if you if you pay attention you know. The legend of of tanasugarn's wimbledon touchdown tammy absolutely and so. Yeah so i love also see where that we still don't know that much about her a lot of basically biographical levels like to monte who's always trying to ask these questions about her about her like rebecca corey japan and like the pieces. We have the puzzle just like we don't know what the rest of the puzzle is and we keep getting unusual newspapers about her getting her eyebrows taken by bullies today. Like whoa that. That's where it gets tricky because you want to be able to to line it all out but you basically need forty five minutes to sit down with survey and let her bc way but also have to sit there with the reporter hat and be like okay. Hold the hold hold on. Let's go back. What do you mean forty five minutes. We're like forty five days her on track for like to get like real lake. We do that a lot. Like i'm sure like because like you know alleviate decky won a match today right so no one's ever talked to her prom pretty much more or less before so there's a lot of basic biographical stuff that you oh how start tenants when you do this and pursuing. Even though she's thirty five years old had been around and been doubles. Everyone and everything we still like. Don't have a totally clear picture. That which again i just think adds to her mystery and her match exactly. Yeah exactly that match way goes on to play soccer in the next round. One other thing. I'll say about this is at the end but the also the quarterfinals. It sets up a great. There's another bonus. Part of this day it sets the next round really really well naomi. Osaka comes back to beat gardening. A four six six four seven five for being down five three and saving two match points and the status hold up on the ao vision. Thing was that after hit three unforced errors in a row to go down double match point. She didn't hit another unforeseen for the rest of the match was just twenty two more points. Like there's something about as i've seen this before with her especially. Us open last year. Where maybe australia up in two thousand nineteen which to like. There's just have this feeling with her. That you know. I guess with serena and kind kinda get with like novak particularly even occasionally weirdly with fini but the different issue like where if they want a point if they need a point they can make will their way to that point like when they actually really dial in they just like. I'm not losing this point. And they don't lose the point. And naomi just does that and it was just. It's cool to watch like i've never. I would never all that scared for her in this match even she was like teetering at his always thought she would kick. I don't know it. It's you know you look at it and i think that you know book ending the day with the the osaka match and then this fantastic A hallowed matter really good contrast in terms of evolution of a player because you know we saw it for the first time they do it as you said ben in the two thousand nine hundred. Ao final against patrick. Aviva had championship points in the second-set failed convert them clearly choked them And then disappeared. Walked off the court for a little bit and played an unbelievably contained and disciplined final. Set to be competitive. A that was maybe the first time that we really saw osaka. Just not playing like to that. She really channeled something that was deeper than that. We just didn't realize was there. Twelve months ago. She knocked herself off the court in like less than an hour trying to bang. Bang get through where it almost made you wonder. Oh when when when osaka gets tight or when she gets desperate does she just want to just is just going to bang and see if it works out And what we've seen you know from from and we saw that generally pretty much in her run to the us open title last fall. A lot of that was bang. Bang tennis She didn't have to really do if i recall. Play too much plan. B your plans see to get through that that run so today to see her really make that adjustment at the end and that's the whole reason that she won. She was basically giving up points and she started to play with much. More disciplined was great to see and it was something that you know with sri on tech. You know that's what you would want right lake the minute. That kid walks off the court and calm down. You're like okay. Sit down and watch the third set of this because this is what you needed to do and what you can do but you just don't think that you know how to do it yet. Which is make adjustments and have a plan b Because she intact basically straight up said. Like i don't have options like my in. It's like i don't know to me that doesn't make sense because you watch her game in the mount of spin that she hits with the number of shots that she has in her schism and her serve. You're just like you you've tons of options. What are you talking about if you have options dropshots as you can. Yeah so that's but that's a mental thing and you know but she should watch her her full best. Who's done it twice in really really really huge matches. I'm offended by the word fo- but you know sometimes in tennis like we say like people are friends or like her best friend and we all know they're not really best friends but it's like tennis best friends and so the they're like ten franc tennis friend. Tennis fran friends. Yeah yeah. I think i saw like. I don't obviously watch match but a lot of what you're saying. I also saw the on snatch because when you speak when you when you speak to After she lost third-round to naomi the first thing she said was you could really see why she's a top level player. She's hitting her spots. The second season trouble she finds the right serve. Hits it in the coroner user angles. She knows what she's doing it. And i think now she's on. An eighteen match win is at eighteen matches neuronal or nine hundred. Nineteen now nine right. I think ninety. I'm not sure either. Nineteen but either waves so many matches in a row up. She has lost over a calendar year. Exactly which also. That's something that you feel. I feel like she can feel it in her guts. you know. it's just in the back overhead. Somehow even if it's not an it's probably subconsciously but like she knows what to do now and she's in trouble so it doesn't surprise me that she saved notch point sedan. One special players and again where i think serena hasn't setting committee. Has this again weirdly. I think he has. I don't know why. Put them in this category but when he's locked on he's amazing. Is that like this. Come from. I don't know i don't want to explore it. I don't wanna touch spot man. That's a dark dark place anyhow but where you know when she like when she's in these moments of what could be crisis on the scoreboard at least during a match. It brings clarity her and like she really is like at her best when she needs to be an mike. There's something about her. I think. I remember seeing patrick. Say something about this. About serena like know. Who did he say about coca golf. Actually more times maybe. Both players actually talking about both where they their tactics is less about about being like actively tactical but something about their innate. Competitiveness brings out some sort of like clarity in the moments where they need it they figure things out and yeah and that sort of reminds me of niamey two and like you see like yeah. You mentioned the the match mattress super impressive like three and two against the players pints walla shipper and going one and two in the first hunting pathway chunk uva that was a huge statement win garcia garcia. Also two and three against garcia so. I think she's playing. I mean i know to look ahead a little bit to the next match. I think she's playing well enough to wear to the extent. You ever not be worried about the way i feel like. She's been sharp enough unless you runs out of gas because it's a lot of wins in a row. And that's you know this could be a letdown match. But she also is so aware of way and soon we may also be daunted by the occasion applying her first quarterfinal for waiting so long for it. I don't know But it's an interesting interesting. What to look forward to for sure and to move ruth mcgary theresa should he regret this match the her for a second for this match while i mean there's nothing you can do of name is going to fire an ace on match point number one so there's nothing there i mean even on the two match points. I don't think that she could have done much different. I mean sure you can say like hit the ball deeper on that little tentative you know a little bit of ten a little bit tentative on the match points but that being said once naomi did level it i do think the move did pull off a little bit and think that she was she was a little bit rattled Not unlike what happened to her against kenan last year where you know once. She didn't get that one game and kenan was able to hold in the famous. You know bang bang bang. Bang hold game from love. Forty you know. Mcgrew suggests was incredibly frustrating. Can let that that that go so a little bit of that. I mean i- i- noth-. I feel for gardenia just in the same way that i feel for sabah. Linka this is. They're playing great tennis. There is nothing that they should hang their heads about in terms of what they did today. In in what we're massive masses. It didn't go their way. It ended up being a handful of points and the other player one And if they were on the other side of the draw or if they were playing anybody else probably they'd go real far their semi-finalists they're playing semi-finalists level. Tennis and it just. It's it's got a sting that that they walk out. As as round of sixteen years. They didn't even get to the quarter-finals. That's a little brutal as there. That was gonna say to just so. That's one of the things that was of course today. It was like oh this could be a final. Could be a semi physically a quarter and it's true but it also is a huge testament to the depth of the women. Especially i think when you look. Nc veon tech friendship open champion. Fifteen next to her name. Kind of what's going on here. But i wanna talk about next the next match on labor. Several inca versus serena williams ream. You were saying. He were awed by this when i take the floor. Here What was what was that. You so much describe what you heard and saw also. This is a noisy match. I've watched her before but like she just like especially in an empty stadium she just like constantly making sounds that just sort of uncivilized soundtrack to match. Yeah serena's about. It was funny because of the was like giving come on that you would think. Coming out of serena and then i would have to look up. It'd be like oh. That was serena car. Ma malenka than serena's so i thought that was funny It was a very vocal match for sure. But just the like. I said it was insane. Power of from both sides actually. Neither one of them put in that. Many first serves in like in one of them was like sixty percent. It was like fifty. I think serena was like ruth second-set serving was really bad. Yeah like in general. Throughout the whole match like serena was fifty percents of reserves but it they were killing each other on return. As well and like serena basically what stands out the most is just how she was moving. I think courtney that she's just moving really well and she said that her press conference listen. I like to be aggressive. But i can defend. And she's like. I'm happy to defend. I can defend and i guess that's probably because she feels comfortable. Malik she's physically. She feels comfortable because obviously she said she. She's had the problem with the kiwis even dating back to two thousand eighteen. Maybe she's That is completely over. I don't know but like she's moving. So well i was so impressed. And then serena was up. Four one in the final sets lenka pegged her back to four four and then she lost the next two games. And that's what like blanca could not forgive herself in her press. Conference feels like i have enough experience. I'm young but i have enough experience to not do that. She's like. I shouldn't lose these two games after calling my way back from one four so i think that was a bit of a letdown from lanka. Because even if serena held serve was should not have gotten broken like that have been broken like that but yeah it was. I love that. And i feel kind of feel bad for cyber lanka. Should do much wrong. And then yet she still hasn't made a quarterfinal. Everyone's going to be like. Oh she hasn't made a quarterfinal. she's winning goal. These tournaments she went on that streak when three cycles back. The backboard blah. Yeah but like. This was an incredible match. It could have been a final is still even if it's a loss in even if she still hasn't made a quarter-final even if she doesn't beaten serena which has its own sort of feather in your cap for player on tour that she went his atop tenor iphone. This was a big threat of achievement unlocked moment for sabah. This was her first great slam match. Which is something she really well. She had soccer match at the. Us open which is different which was really good. Also said that would also end chevy petra news and remember that. Then she killed. Patrick kill catch. That was that was less than armstrong. But that was that was i. Don't count that as much honestly because petrol and flame out in first week. It's not that. Yeah but this one was more like. I'm playing big stage. The match of the day kind of i don't know what match today was debated at length but interesting. All these matches the at up to seventeen rather numbers. So they're all like even on that level Singing i'll find. I'll find a seven team. Phoenix mashup for the for the new. Sorry not sleep enough for this. I was. I was really impressed with avalon. Because i've seen her come up small in slams many times before we talked on the show too corny. Like you can't pick her do something she hasn't done and now it feel more comfortable behind with the she. She's she can do the slam thing now. I mean. I think the danger matches for her. Actually were the second and third rounds against Kina and an lee and she handle those pretty well and then actually thought it was a real trap mattress i was. I was kind of expecting hanley to make that one interesting. Want to being three and one for several anka in her just intensity and everything with really good. You've got a new coach a relatively new coach. They seem to be working well together. I i would be sort of on the outskirts. Can kool aid buying zeppelin cosstalk. After this now what you said in terms of this was her first great slam match. I thought that you were going to the period after just slam. Because i felt like this was her first. Becca would slam like this was just like you you you showed up. You took care of business. She made some adjustments in terms of how she handled it. She stayed off site as much as she could she. Just there were little things she was doing so that she didn't get overwhelmed by the idea that this is a slam that this is just another tournament. Don't worry about it. You know that sort of thing and she and it worked really well for her and yeah i can understand her wanting to beat yourself up over. How the first and third sets and did for her in that match because she felt like she capitulated she felt like basically she choked. I mean that's what it sounded like between the lines and and she said you know what was the point of coming back from one four down. If i'm just gonna lose those two games in like a span of three minutes like that doesn't make any sense you know And she has a point but you know to play that great of a match over that span of time today against the greatest of all time and to put yourself in that position and to come up short because yes there is a lack of experience We can all you to yeah. We can also exactly. And she's a late bloomer. She wasn't playing junior slams. She wasn't doing a lot like you know. So if you actually look at the number slam. She's competed at. It's quite low. Given the fact that she's twenty two years old relatively speaking if you compare it for better. Yeah yeah you know an iga. This is her eighth major which you know. Let's cut these kids some slack a little bit because either we sit there and we say these great and you know the serena's are are even you know simona whatever that they have this experience that makes them better than the rest. It's true and we can celebrate it but the flip side of that is that you also have to acknowledge when that experience is lacking and that it's not the player's fault because you can't fake experience you can't hire coach and get experience you have to actually choke you have to remember ben naomi choking on arthur ashe mattie one five one up You have to have these really heartbreaking moments on on big stages to come out with you know your heart healed and stronger and we can talk about that with simona no one. No one's gotten beat up as much as her on big courts. But so you know. I think that it was. I think it was a great slam for for several inca. I think it was a great slam on tech to just know that she could come to the next major play deep so yeah nothing nothing. This is why today is such a nice day honestly for me and gardenia as well. I think that at the end of the day like you're playing great and you're putting yourself in that position and naomi did what she does. But i'm happy at the end of the day. Because yeah like i think winners and losers hard to hard to hang your head and i i think both of the reactions when when it comes to gotta beanie 'cause she was like listen. I'm disappointed i lost. But i'm excited about how am feeling and playing on the court and i think that's the right way to let the right thing to take away from her month like three weeks in australia. Or whatever and with the what's up alenka. I'm actually happy that she's beating herself up on this because it's going to stay in our mind a bit and she's going to learn from it like like you said courtney like these are these are the kind of matches you can learn from right so that span tech like can't couldn't even think about the positives of this of of coming out of this was kosher head is so stuck in the match and what went wrong and i was joking to a few people. I'm like you know as that. She she got weird in the middle that match like once polyps are playing with heavy topspin and changed her tactics. Oh i guess we can talk about this match since we hadn't i was gonna say no no. I was going to say that to that pretty much as well. But just gonna take match to what you're saying. I don't feel like the commentators are the commentariat large which includes ourselves was being pretty fair to sabah. Lincoln trump. I don't think anyone saying. Oh my gosh they flops on any level especially with sean like you said we have seen her so little like i have never i've seen Play less than an. Obviously you watch her tons corny. But like i've seen her play probably less than five hardcourt matches. Sure you know. Most of the matches i saw her play and then the french open various times and just hasn't played that term. She hasn't been ranked top ten even even still after being a slam champ. There's still a lot of like you know. Data missing like talking about salamanca. Still a lot of achievements. that are still locked. But that was still about that. She hasn't hasn't done platinum debt. No definitely not and having and going up against Someone who is a player who got a huge win against and then the next time how is like sort of like revenge-minded are very focused on this match Yeah that's new thing quick. Psa before the discussion amulets. Ron has taken the second set. Six four over novak djokovic interesting so the thing about as i was saying though is that yet you. The match was super weird because she she played a great opening set. Take six three. Looks very much like a redo of of the roland garros. Match then hal. It makes tactical adjustments. She decides to play less flat. She starts to drop back a little bit. And she wasn't pushing but she was definitely minimizing errors and she was playing into the sides with more topspin and fans like said like. I had no idea what to do with that. Which kind of surprised me. 'cause really. But i guess but yeah in halleck cleaned up per game but that weird stretch from the start of the second set until about you know one or two games into the third set. I don't know it was it was. I don't know i'm i- phrases come to mind but they're gonna sound so impolite so i don't want to use them but they were just chaotic. It was just like reckless decision making reckless tennis. Like like she would do things. And you're like what are you doing. She derailed yeah like on for dropshots. Wehrley bailing out going for winners and missing by meters It was just so weird and it was weird to see her like that but she pulled it back together in the third set. And so what i was saying is that was joking with people saying like for her to play that chaotic and reckless for a big chunk of that match and still only lose six. Four in the third to hal. Up an half shots in that final game hallett close it out but antic played like two or three amazing points halif was able to to combat. Otherwise i i really looked like she might break and that third set would have been back to level. That's impressive so it's one of those things where you know you know that as with all young players. It's going to you know. Every loss is huge and massive. 'cause they haven't taken that many like at the pro level so young And they'll beat themselves up for it but similar to sabah lenka. I think that that is fantastic. And and and sapling should leave. And i hope they leave australia with that sting with that kind of like that. Something went wrong. I wanna learn from it. You talked about earlier. This week in prescott. How when she won her first slam. She wasn't like my life is complete. I one must slam. She's like dang. Now i want more and you saw that she wanted more. You saw that. She was getting annoyed that she like was like be thinking. I beat how last time why went. Not beating her again like thought. It's like a normal reaction completely and at the same way with alibaba you could tell was so happy after she won. Because you can tell the idea bug losing to this kid to fourth rounds of slams at a row slam. She likes in a row. Were like i guess she likes all the slams to this point debatable. Anyway new york. I'm not really sure likes new york yet but yeah it was. It was a it was a great match and speaking of newer people. Comparing whether this day was better or not in the us open semifinal day Last year where the two women say. I think the quality of the matches probably more consistently higher throughout. But when i did like about this match is at these were very different flavors and very different looking tennis like how tech completely different product in terms of what. You're watching then a sabah blanket. Obviously i think it's hard to compare because also i mean. I think that osaka brady match is still. I mean that match lives rent-free in my brain but dot match because of what was at stake because it was a semi final feels bigger than what a round of sixteen is gonna feel like. Because you know. I think a friend of mine texted me like you know like as i was watching the hallo Fintech match their like. Are you going to be upset. Like one way or the other how this goes on like no. It's good like you know ran a sixteen. That's a good result for both of them. Just you know play good. You know no big deal so its yeah whereas if it was a semi final you'd feel like oh my gosh. There's a huge opportunity here. So but i i do i just. I'm really really happy. With how just the quality that you saw across the board across these these these matches and even the vandross shiva match yes it was straight sets but it was chasing away do things which is always fun like chase away beating somebody six love six love match. You wanna watch. Almost you want to watch her peking She's not what was found to watching her kind of having to scrap. I was like because really at the french open. I only watched her destroy people. And i was like i think what he destroyed people that i gotta say early. Which is hilarious. Because we've always had this conversation about certain players who you only want to see when they're battling you actually don't want we. We used to talk about this about with zaki. Like shh like her matches when she was stuck in a third-set and scrapping were really compelling. But if you was was beating somebody six two six three. It was kind of like. Do i need to watch that match. Like you know So yeah there are definitely some players where when they peak it's just like oh queue that up practically also felt like eager today had a quality. Actually we liken simona which is just conveying the frustration and the she looked puzzled at time. She looks strange. She would like crouch down on just like look in the ground looks at all of these facial expressions for me. I was like i feel her. Which is something. I usually say about simona. Doing some owners like angry in this or that and today i felt it's a bit with with iga in that like i was with her on that roller coaster and i enjoyed that really kind of got in the crowd listening to of the empty stadium. And they're both like really emotion directly to their boxes. It felt very kind of like private and more intimate and more exposed in a way. Yeah i thought that was. And i love that. A nineteen year old can go to press after a loss like that. It was close and she is self aware enough to say. I have no plan. B i need to learn how to problem solve like not everyone at nineteen will have a loss like that and just walk at a press conference talk. I thought that was impressive. As one of those things kind of like what. We used to say a lot with naomi at a lot with simona when simona was going through stuff. You know stuff as well where you you want them to just never change like they lend you in and are so blatantly ron honest and it's also really help i think healthy for them right. I mean you know if the if you say it enough times you start to believe certain things whether you think whether you actually believe it at the time or not but also just like. It's just a tennis match. You can just talk. You can talk about failing you can talk about not playing. It's just a ten. Like and i i feel like almost just talking about it so openly defuses. The enormity of things sometimes just makes it easier. I think that there's something there though. I think you're right though. Ream about about iga. That she has that hallaq and yeah she there. There's something about her. That is very like halacha adjacent but also osaka adjacent like in terms of. She's very emotive so she does let you in in the way that that simona does especially when frustrated but obviously there's also kind of like that earnestness. Well actually all three of them. Have quite but yeah. There's something about them as a as a little package that off to think about that more. But you're on to something so before we get to the men's match i do. I talk to you about team and to me. You watch that match. The women's match tomorrow are decidedly less lower wattage parents for sure. I'm just curious which one you're looking forward to tomorrow. Fiddling and Gula jim brady mertens muka and bharti shelby rogers. Which of those are you muslim before you according me sorry. I know this is a cop out. But i'm saying all of i'm sorry but i know about complete now but the but the but here i'm gonna choose to the top cop out and this is why because everybody's writing off the top half and i understand why it's it's. I'm not saying that everybody's wrong. I get it It doesn't have you know the the the marquee players it doesn't have you know players that i guess people are innately Find compelling. i don't know. I'm not slam. Chang is the best way to put it to have as well sure. But i think every single one of those matches is a toss up in a lotta ways. Rogers has a great chance to beat. Bardy i'm shelby is playing great. I think she learned a lot from her match against Ash that she lost in a match tiebreak last week at the our valley. So there's there's something there. I love caroliina mugabe's game it's always fun but at least mertens is like low key the like one of the hottest players on tour since the restart and is playing the right way. She's playing aggressively. she's not being. She's not this defensive player anymore and it's really great to see so i love. I really look forward to seeing how those to kind of mesh gula selena. I mean jesse is like crushing in. She has a mowing the lawn. Lake in in in melbourne. So i think that's a big upset special and then brady wreckage. I think gen brady's gonna make the ao final. Like she's kind of pick. But you know vestiges and i would never have picked it but vetches playing. I mean she. She got that first win of her season in the first round and she's kind of been able to pick up steam and she saved match point to win in her last round. You know who knows but yes so i. I'm compelled by all of them honestly. Like i just don't know what's going to happen. Well put you did not completely silent whatsoever but well put thank you. I will agree. I think that the top half is capacity rim. Who's going to actually have a choice. Which i appreciate. But i do agree that the top. It's pretty even and it's it's definitely like a different sort of like genre of music or a different venue going to like a small sort of like i know coffeehouse tournament rather miss like arena. Rock that Serena or whatever and it's a different vibe but it's still equally compelling its own way and we'll pretty interesting chance poetry night man. I can totally make a case for like most of these women to make the final completely. Just thanks question. But i'm not gonna ask i can't see beckett's making it but at the rim who who's your mind okay. My matches bharti rogers. Good pets totally fair. Because yeah yeah i mean i just love watching in general but also i mean like you said i think roger's has a chance and we've seen rogers be serena last year with senior. She has three top ten wins. Like i think she's beaten simona before and australia like she seat. Roy rogers can win this match. So i think it's gonna be. Yeah that's my pick. I also believe that. Jim brady can make final. I agree with you on that in particular fast goes out the other person who don't think you make the final. Because i wasn't a goal them. I have i was that muka plus go match was not good and so i have not been super impressed by muka. Oh i've been impressed by muka. She'd like she took a us to penco. She had to really good to opening wins. The plus match wasn't great. It was great at. I mean she played fine though for the most part especially at end. But that's also just a weird match. They know each other their friends. You know like and everybody was the one like narrative thing that was annoying me a little bit after the potomac of a match was people where people trying to be like. Oh it's because they were practiced partners like that's why they shouldn't practice together and it's like move of a beat. Her at wimbledon didn't know her later. It was like i did not know caroliina push wimbledon when i beat her fifteen th whatever thirteen eleven in the third you know. I love watching of apply. So but if mertens gets through that watch out for americans the accuracy of amazing yes. Amazing martin's is what people just need to watch church. She's winning so many matches playing a lot. But i feel like in general. The public doesn't necessarily they don't tune into a mertens match i she has improved. So become like you said. I think you said that on twitter that she's becoming more aggressive which you can see but yeah so i definitely think mertens obviously can make the finals. But she that she's made before australia. I think i don't know. I think the top we keep everyone is making fun of the top half but ultimately we might get the versus anina number one and number five seats back in totally hold up. Because it's they're good match ups. The top of is undeniably an undercard in this tournament. Like it's not the marquee matchups you're gonna get in the bottom half but they're still pretty well matched in pretty interesting especially you throw in bharti's like injury question mark with her with whoever's going on her leg like it's like a super interesting compelling if you actually get in there you can't really be to compliment anything going on there And so i think that makes it makes it yet compelling and interesting and and all sorts of stuff so i think it'll especially as the stakes get higher like once you're watching. These matches that maybe players who aren't as well they're playing a quarterfinal like the stakes is what makes makes us slam not the players so much of that point so re i want to ask you about team and dmitrov at metro won this match. Six four six four six team said that he was not a machine as much as he wanted to be. Funny line Reminded me of those progressive commercials where the guy's motorcycles like. I wish i was in motor anyway. What happened in this match and was it. Do think it's attributable to the big effort. Hit to do to beat. Curious in five cents gets rough to play in a full stadium. Come back from two sets to love down do all that and then going on empty stadium earlier in the day compared to the neck match. Time-wise an mike greg. Someone was beaten him. More than than team has beat in gregorian It's not an easy match for him. To begin with obviously watching him there was no team has explosive quality and he didn't have at alternate so clearly. There is a physical problem as well. He didn't wanna talk too much about it but he did say he had problems. Hit like forty one unforced errors and it wasn't a long match to hit forty one on areas. He was not doing well on. Serve at all like at all. I think like points in the third set. Yeah yeah it was a disaster general in terms of like just even on his own serve throughout the whole match. Yeah i mean angry or is playing so freely and like a couple of days ago. Gregor was sitting in his chair in the press. Conference room saying lake. You don't want me out. Like i used to be number three in the world. I can always come back. You know and i was like since when does I like that. You know like yeah. I liked that look for him. So a more sweet than swaggie. Generally granola swaggie grigore. The question was about like roger rafa and novak can whatever and their constituency and how like you should never yeah exactly it never ruled them out but then he brought himself into the equation and he was like listen. I used to number three in the world. Like i can go back like i'm not saying i will but i can don't know i feel like I feel like gregoire now. Now talk about actually actually. I saw the drawings ostlund corrosive. Who's in the quarterfinals. Where i am very proud of myself to actually know who he is. Because i had my eye on him as one of the picks and Rg qualities and he did not make it. But when i was looking up like who was doing well in the build up and he wants so many challenger matches and stuff in the buildup to our g And i was like who's this guy so then i kept an eye on him. So he's he's kinda been winning a lot of matches. Japanese customer on the show previous maybe tour schwartz match briefly but he beats more pair. He's gianluca mauger. First round of he destroys you rasim off six love. Six one. Six love just not a squirrel and cms has very often destroys diego. The eight seed three three and three. And then he comes. Back from two sets down to beat phoenix. Oj alliott seem Three six one six six three six four as one of those kind of youth not too similar to the team match actually against the curious where it was a five-set comeback but it was actually like never really that close 'cause like a kind of turn on a dime. It was like oh suddenly the other guys winning. And it's going to stay in control and was really demoralized and cross save is like a super clean hitter up both sides. I have not watched that much of him. I've seen him equality slams before but he never been that notable to this point and it's just cool having somebody who's in here. I slam main dropping a quarter and a complete if not literally a wildcard. Then you know in the sense that complete wildcard does. You don't know what this guy's what is ceiling is or what his what his deal is. Anything we don't never seen him place we've never seen him lose. It's almost like like budget address. Rescue situation you know so It's it's interesting moment. he has interesting sort of. It's not a natural a flock of the tv for dmitrov cross -sarily but it's interesting sort of part of the draw near. We'll see what happens with this joke of situations a break in the third now he plays of which resorts of other questions about is very if djokovic is her is very and the fa favorite make the final. What does that do for tournament swats of lots of stuff to unpack or too conspicuously ignore at your leisure anyway according ring. Thank you for being here any other any other thoughts on the australian open before we wrap up here none for me or actually really talk about I've mentioned earlier. I watched a little bit of her. Sarin impress olivia get decky. Yeah can you explain who that person. That's because people would know libya get champion. Kept saying good dusky which would make sense like a check name. yeah but but But then everybody else was saying decky. I dunno. she's australian but anyways but yes eighteen eighteen year old olivia detsky who Has no ranking is from queensland very nice young lady of i was really impressed with her impress anyways She defeated sophia kenan. In the in three sets in the phillip island trophy which is a wtt fifty event which is also being played this week on the grounds of melbourne park. So you yes. And i was actually really impressed with her game. Like i couldn't understand how this kid was unranked like just literally didn't have a ranking point. That was weird. Great power really fluid and very interestingly. She's coached by david. Taylor Formerly coached naomi osaka for very long. Time so that was interesting and during the preseason. She trained with ash. Because she's up there in queensland. And which is the state that just pumps out pumps out the talent in australian tennis. Qasim a queenslander ashes. Well so now. There's this this kid is well so she did. A preseason with ash ashes in the crowd watching the match those coal which is really cool as well such an ass thing to do but really lovely and i was just really impressed by her impress. In addition to her game she was just really well spoken and was over the moon. Yeah just i. The sounds weird but was like acting her age and like appropriate for the moment like she was like there was no swagger or anything but there was also kind of like i'm close like there's just an earnestness about her that i found to be very very endearing but Big result for her sieg result. I would hope so Beat the you know. Still kind of reigning champ of the australian open kind of at the australian open you deserve a ranking at the very least fun facts about her. She played a junior qualities last year. Qualified for the main draw of juniors in melbourne. And then she lost in the third round to robin montgomerie. Well all comes back around. We're not to deduct me juniors this year at the ao frederick santamaria. And so it's interesting to see. How like all these sort of careers are like not not you gain to follow the normal the normal channels in normal serve ramp on ramps the tour inch and how it'll affect people in. Yeah i'm chuck layers challenger players on pires now juniors pretty pretty rough pretty rough. It'll have i mean this pandemic will have significant implications for the sport in ripple affect short-term amran term because there's also these huge numbers that usa abba like tennis participation rates up by twenty something percent during the year which is a massive one year increased. May there's lots of kids who couldn't play team. Sports safer their parents house. They gave him tennis rackets. They're gonna pick up china's we get a whole new generation of pandemic generation pandemic essentially to see the the age breakdown of that that twenty percent increase if this is just adults going out and playing more in the wreck and filling out a form that says i play tennis now. That's one thing but if it is young kids picking up then. The athol thing is a lot of kids. Thanks a lot of parents and kids. I don i from the numbers. I'm just anecdotally. I've heard a lot about like. I'm taking my kid to play tennis because you can't play on their soccer team anymore. Whatever else it used to be so Apparently harder find people who are looking for courts. Courts are getting crowded. Tennis is weird though. And i've said this. Before on the podcast. Because i feel like it is one of the at least anecdotally in my experience. The gap between. I a person who says i play tennis. And they're following of professional tennis. Yeah it the gap is huge like there are more people who it seems like in the sport of tennis that just tennis and then you'll be like oh really did you watch wimbledon this weekend. It's like what like i don't know that in. Nba league people who play pick up and they're they know nba there. There are lots of tennis. Fans like pence watchers. You don't play recreational tennis and are beats like i. I'm sure you've gotten lots of like. Pr pitches for like tennis. Recreational stories like items. Don't cover that. That's not part of my my purview. Be at was going to say there but yeah it's almost like you know like on level of almost like jogging or running or something. Like runners done is really can't name you know like Various swimming olympic champs or whatever. Yeah those situations. It's different because it's like well i'm going out from the tangent but i just i in my experience back when i was a lawyer and i did play tennis Is that when. I would like play like like you know whatever league matches and stuff that lake because at the same time. I was blogging obviously following pro tennis and like the peanut literally. No one that. I ever played a match against knew anything about professional tennis. No not a single person. And i was like always baffled by it i was like why would you not know. 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The Sound of the ATP's Silence

The Body Serve

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The Sound of the ATP's Silence

"But i don't. I really don't have any regrets. I really don't i've i've lived exactly. How want it to. I've tried my hardest every single time. I didn't win the matches. Maybe i should have always wanted. But i really gave a mile so that for me. Hello everybody welcome back to the body. Serve i'm jonathan james. This episode two twelve. It's been an episode. That's been in the making for some time. One that specifically deals with the domestic violence allegations made against alexander zverev. The men's tennis is currently grappling with or failing to grapple with at the moment. Yeah it's been a minute since we've done a tennis episode and this is an episode about the things that are floating around just outside of the game itself just a warning to listeners. We are going to be including discussions of intimate partner. Violence and suicide of that is something you're sensitive to. Please use your discretion. Where does this story begin. Roughly two weeks ago alexander. zarab's ex girlfriend brenda. Petya announced her pregnancy on instagram. Saying that she is pregnant. With sasha's child she's about at that point about twenty weeks along and that she intended to raise the baby by herself then. Very same day alexander's previous ex girlfriend came forward with allegations that physically abusive toward her in their relationship. Right so on that day. Olea sharapova the previous ex girlfriend of oxbow said that a partner had abused her in the past and she kind of alluded strongly that it was zero and shortly after she confirmed based on the timeline of some of the things that she said. It was deduced. Although she stated explicitly than it was deduced that it was verify that she was talking about shortly thereafter she confirmed that it was alexander zverev eventual talking about a shortly after. That news came out Sharipova agree to sit down with ben rothenberg for peace in racket magazine detailing a little bit more of what she said about her relationship with zverev. There are three main tour stops where all these events are alleged to have taken place starting with the. Us open initially sherpa. describes a physical arctic with verve one part of it where he allegedly put a pillow on her face and sat on it. She mengiste escape. The room gets the hotel lobby. He comes looking after her. She's outside trying to escape the situation barefoot. This is where she's able to show some receipts from that night with whatsapp messages with her friends. Tell her to come get her pictures of her luggage and her belongings thrown outside of the hotel room in the hallway. She purports that is very through her stuff out but kept her passport. John were on new challenges remaining. Podcasts confirmed that it was the actual carpet from the. Us open players hotel because he would know the friend who will pick up in new york and drove. Her to new jersey was her close friend. Vasyl sore duck and she gets to the house vassal step. Mom's there who goes by mrs v in the racket peace and both of these people immediately. Don't believe her story. Vassal was quoted in the piece. Saying i always trust the guy. I because i'm a guy even though i've known olga for so long so these two have been friends for many years are very close. And he immediately believed sasha's story over her without even hearing sasha's first mrs v because of sasha's status and because of his charm decided that oleo was probably overreacting and invited sasha to her home that day even though. She said that she did not want to see him. She surprises her with serve. Her alleged abuser showing up at her. The place where she's fled for safety and sasha comes they talk they're essentially coaxed. Back together olea consents to going back to the city with him. She goes with him to labor cup. There's another explosive altercation. She alleges that gets physical. And she's so distraught that she attempts to harm herself by consuming. A lot of insulin and locks is often the bathroom. It's hard to imagine the kind of isolation one would feel in the situation. Where your your close friends don't believe your stories. You're with one of the most popular tennis players in the world. You don't have your family beside you. And this man allegedly has made you feel so small and so worthless and the same reason why you're supposed to stay with him even though you are being abused. Because he's young popular guy with all. This potential is the same reason. Why you then don't feel able to speak up because people are going to come at you. An accused of being a gold digger right during this incident at labor cup ben. Roethlisberger reports that event official actually intervened after sasha went in got somebody and coaster out of the bathroom. So there's an official out there who will not comment. Because he has he or she has been asked because this is a matter of confidentiality. I'm going to assume that this is an atp official because at that time in two thousand nineteen the labor cup had become an atp event the first year it was held. It wasn't remember at that time now. In twenty nine hundred was an atp event and from my understanding and observations of being incite and seeing the way players are are handled by the atp. They're very few movements. The players make without an atp official knowing where they are especially on site the fact that one of those officials was called to the hotel. You cannot convince me that somebody on some level did not know that something was amiss in the situation from the tour standpoint because that official doesn't just go back to his hotel and not telling anyone now that something just happened you know. The story is the difficult read. As i'm sure you've heard or if you've read it you know. She details several incidents of emotional and physical violence that we won't get into further at the end of the peace. It's alluded to that. There was kind of an escape. That was by olea and mrs v in china. And that's where she in. Sasha's relationship ended and just yesterday the tennis twitter sleuths found pictures of in beijing the day before alexander showed up with scratches on his neck. They had pictures of him seen the day prior with nothing on his neck and the very next day with very distinct scratch marks on his neck and all was not seen in beijing at the tournament from that point on so there is anecdotal to an extent but also pictorial evidence of what possibly happened that day. Which is to say there is. There's a lot of evidence here. One of the great difficulties with at least in court proving domestic violence charges is a lack of evidence. Not because these incidents didn't happen but because it becomes a matter of he said she said and we saw at the start of this whole thing that defenders of serve went that route unsurprisingly. But what we've seen since then is a lot of evidence more so than one would expect and we're then pointed out on the are that none of this necessarily constitutes proof right but there is a case being built. We have things as you said that. The photo with the scratch marks on alexander's neck olea detailed account of what had happened through that relationship. That has been corroborated by several different. People she has what's up screenshots shows photos of herself with bruises on her face and arms. None of these are outright a smoking gun. But it's building a case right but it's also not just a. He said she said he said and olea and mississippi and vassals say and a bare minimum. That's before even expanding it. If this were to actually go to court sharipova says that. She's not planning to press charges. She just want press charges. She just wants her story to be told and to help people who have been in similar situations but if this were to go to a trial per se you could foresee that. There's even more evidence that could be brought forth. I mean we keep saying allegedly because journalists bloggers. Everybody kinda needs to cover their ass in the situation on that note. I want to talk a little about. Why do we quote unquote believe women. You hear that mantra lot. We believe survivors. We believe women. Is it a wholesale belief whenever an accusation is made or is there some sort of critical reasoning going on. And i think a we always try to err on the side of believing survivors when they forward for several reasons. But in this case olea has provided corroboration. She's provided a first person account and also photos and what's up stories and of course the cynical say well she. That's easy to make up. But i i don't understand what would be the benefit when she's not suing in civil court. She's not pressing criminal charges. The allegations of being a gold digger simply don't hold water. Where's her book deal like. What is what is she trying to achieve here. If she's lying she's not asking anybody for money right. And so why do we believe survivors. Firstly the rate of false reporting while difficult to quantify is rare there have been several published scientific studies trying to get at. How frequently are there false reports of domestic violence or abuse and its place between two anywhere from two to ten percent. A little more than half fifty. Five percent of domestic violence incidents are reported to police. And so we know that. Many many incidents go unreported. This is according to the us department of justice right. The incidents that go unreported are far far more frequent than false reports. there are significant barriers. That discourage people from reporting domestic violence it could be family reasons economic reasons. Are you dependent on this person dependent on this person financially. If you are you know two regular folks perhaps a stay at home wife and the spouses out making all the money right. You literally had no financial means to leave. It could be your tour with this person. You've given up your job or means of income to be on toward this person. And you are financially dependent on them to keep going right and then when the person allegedly takes your passport as this potential means of showing you just how dependent you are in them you know making you feel even more trapped and then there's also the bitten this case where even if all those things are necessarily true. The people that you count on for emotional support your friends. The people you escaped. They don't believe you. This varies culturally by socioeconomic status for some religious reasons so many different reasons. Many severs fear for their physical safety in the future. If they do report if they report and the your partner finds out will they hurt you. Will they kill you before. I can even go to trial. They fear for the public backlash. It's it's inescapable in the stanage if you are public figure or you're making allegations against a public figure that you will not get harassed unsocial. Meeting and further. A lot of survivors are not comfortable interacting with the police. In the first place this could be because of previous poor interactions with police expectations. That the case won't be handled properly the expectation that you will be treated in a demeaning way or in an incredulous way and finally so many survivors of intimate partner violence still have love for that partner or find it incredibly difficult emotionally to separate from that person. All this is to say when you question whether a woman is telling the truth you need to consider all the incredible barriers that are put up that they have to overcome to get to a place of telling their story. It's not a decision. That's that's taken lightly brand is without serious repercussions but domestic violence. Unfortunately is extremely common in that department of justice. Study that you sited it said one in four women and nine men have experienced severe intimate partner violence one in seven women and one and twenty five men have been injured by an intimate partner and seventy six percent of domestic. Violence is committed against women. And so you'll often see. Domestic violence discussed an extremely gendered way because women are most frequently the victims of intimate partner. Violence that's not to say that men aren't but you can see in case like this. The alleged abuser can exert far more physical strength over his partner. One of the things that we've seen in response to this case is people saying let's not rush to judgement. Let's wait and see if it's true. What are you waiting for. Are you waiting for to confess to say yes. I did these things that that just doesn't happen. And the concept of innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard right. This applies to a court of law. Not twitter not blogs not podcasts. Even newspapers can report the stuff as alleged. We don't have to assume someone is innocent until proven guilty because we are not judges. We're not the people who are convicting them and it's important for us not to liable or slander. Someone but at the same time. It's extremely important to take these things seriously. What is it that we're protecting when we say let's wait and see. It's really the accused reputation. And i want to know why is in this case. His reputation more important than her trauma right. And so you'll see with some of the media coverage some of the commentary on tv. That will talk about later. Zverev is seen as the protagonist of the story. This is a coming of age story where he has faced adversity that he needs to overcome rather than a story of a young woman accusing her partner up some extremely serious mental and physical abuse for his where there was no hiding from these allegations. The paris masters were imminent so he showed up in paris and tennis. Tv atp tour their social media they were just carrying on as if nothing was amiss. Nothing was going on. Oh here's alex. He's he's practicing. Oh wonderful joy. The paris masters are happening. And he's one of our favorites. The tournament starts. He's asked about it impress. He gives blanket denials. He issued a statement on instagram on october. Twenty ninth where he says. The last days were quite challenging for me. I will be a father at age. Twenty three and i'm very much looking forward to the child. Even though brenda and i are no longer together we have a good relationship. And i will live up to my responsibility as a father together. We will take care of the little person that is about to grow. But i don't want to say more in public about this private subject. I am sure that brenda. I can manage without the media involved. The statement had two paragraphs that was the first paragraph addressing. The first big news because remember these both came out on the same day and then the second paragraph begins then they're the unfounded accusations of my ex girlfriend olga shirt povo which i read in the media today. They make me very sad. We have known each other since we were. Children showed many experiences together. I very much regret that. She makes such statements because the accusations are simply not true. We had a relationship but it ended a longtime ago. Why olga is making these accusations now. i just don't know. I really hope that the two of us will find a way to deal with each other again in a reasonable and respectful way. Frank there a lot of things in this statement along that. Just piss you off the first being contradicting brenda immediately. The mother of his child is unborn child because she said explicitly. I do not want have anything to do with alexander's verve and do not want him raising this child period. She said they are currently not in contact. And she doesn't plan to share custody so when he says we have a good relationship got his well questionable. But that's a private matter right. Like actually in front of rancho yet right there pregnancy. Whatever is not really something that i feel the need to comment on. This is what you choose to do in your private life. Whereas escalates is where someone is being allegedly abused he says of sharapova. We had a relationship but it ended a long time ago a year ago. Is i get that. Maybe when you're twenty three a year feels like a long time but that is not a long time ago you had a whole ask girlfriend and had a baby since then or yeah. The thing that sticks out for me here is that. This is a poorly crafted pr message. I wanna know who you know. Who and his management team approved this if anyone he doesn't display any sensitivity to victims of domestic violence. No he doesn't. I mean in his effort to completely reject those claims. He comes off as extremely callous. Because one could easily say. I condemn acts of violence against women period instead of saying than there are the unfounded accusations. Then there are the serious accusations letting folks know letting your fans no of which you have many many fans that you take this seriously. Domestic violence is a serious issue. That was just the start. We then get a series of statements where he is dealing with this in a very glib cavalier way almost laughing at though the situation yes so it does get much worse than paris. He said to the media quote. I know that there's going to be a lot of people that right. Now we're trying to wipe the smile off my face under this mask. I'm smiling brightly. I feel incredible on court. Everything is great in my life. The people who are trying keep trying now. This statement has gone far past oblivious. Nece into defiance or you just read. Were his statements on court. After the final in paris he made the final losing to daniil medvedev he then impress followed up by saying there's always going to be people who are going to try to put you down when you are in top and it's up to me if i'm going to let that happen and i feel like i'm doing quite a good job of not letting that happen am still enjoying myself through this. There are a few chuckles as long as you still have a smile at the end of the day. I think that's the most important in life. This is quite frankly. If alexander zverev is guilty straight out of the weinstein playbook straight out of the playbook of so many men who have perpetrated domestic or sexual violence against women over the years and they can count on their status and their privilege of being a man and their privilege of being believed by default to prop them up. He's saying essentially all have to do is stay on top and i'll be fine because i am impregnable. Up here you can say whatever you want there but i am alexander zverev and as long as i am who i am i will be fine a dare. I say this is a trump response it is. I mean it's damn near sociopathic because it displays absolutely no sensitivity to the issue of domestic violence. It paints him as the main character in his story as anyone who is making allegations against him are simply haters who are trying to drag him down these very serious allegations from someone you were intimate with whom you were friends with from when you were tweens you purported to care a lot about and so if these allegations are false this is not the statement that you give no if the if i were accused of these things in his position especially if i were innocent i'd be making much more sensitive comments. I taking much more seriously. And also if i were in his position of having throngs of fans around the world a lot of them young woman. I'd be taking great care to let them know that. I take this issue very seriously but this this as it turns out is all about him. An incredible level of narcissism and. These statements are simply brush offs during that tournament. We saw a couple of really atrocious social media postings from tennis outlets it put them in a very weird position because normally there would be a barrage of social media posts for the players. Who are doing wellness tournaments. Sasha may the final and the paris masters. You're going to see tons of tweets and instagram posts about hyping. The final and you saw remarkably fewer or the day of the masters final. There was very really very little talk about it on twitter at the start of the tournament. It seemed like those who are in charge of the socials weren't really grasping what was going on or not really caring because there were still doing that stuff but after a couple of days we saw a lot less but they were wiling in those first. Few days after sasha's win over film that all in paris tennis channel tweeted how many players can say they've just secured their second straight win over roughing it at all. not many. But alex vera of certainly can after today's semifinal like a. Okay do you. Have you heard about what's going on here. Do you feel the need to promote this person at this. Very moment after his opening round match against katzman of which in paris tennis dot com tweeted amidst domestic abuse allegations and finding out. He will be a father very soon. At alex's verve is remaining calm and composed on the court the world number seven needed just fifty five minutes to dismiss kids monitor which expires masters now in that tweet. Their conflicting impending fatherhood and being accused of domestic violence as one in the same hardship as essentially rites of passage. That young men need to go through in order to grow up in a real boy and that is concretize by this little video segment on prime video. I believe they cover the tour in the uk. A little wrong table video thing where daniela hantuchova was there. Greg rusedski was there to his credit. He remained silent maybe not to his credit because he could have said something to like disrupt utter garbage that was on display. There was another gentleman. There i don't. I'm not familiar with him. But you know what they said. Hunter cova said quote given everything. That's happened in his personal life. He deserves even more credit to be able to play like this. And then the gentleman the unidentified gentlemen falls up by saying because perhaps he's being forced to grow up we often say out of adversity comes good things. So let's let's take a piece by piece hamackova displays just a horrifying level of internalized misogyny here by saying that. Sasha weather guilty or not deserves a lot of credit for how he's playing in the midst of these allegations just terrible. I mean this is really horrifying stuff. Then gentleman says he's being forced to grow up out of adversity comes could things again. Young men are allowed to be boise's a beat their partners and still overcome it right. I thought the quickness a win for that. That's an achievement to overcome those things because this is an individual sport that is built on personalities. Sasha again is seen as the main character in the story that he is the one who will triumph over adversity with very little thought to how olea sharipova will come out after adversity. Because they can't. I mean certainly. They can admit that they believe the allegations or not so olea is sort of this phantom floating on the edges of the story as someone contributing to sasha's buildings roman his coming of age story and in saying these things they're continuing to build on this false idea one that is very clearly believes that if he continues to win he's able to overcome this and put it behind him. Would he be more embroiled if he lost. These matches generally mean by winning. He's making these allegations. Less credible. I i don't understand what the thought processes here. It's it's almost like the commentators. Don't know how to talk about this. They don't want to talk about it but it's happening. And so they only know how to frame it in terms of winning or losing playing well on the court because again for centuries domestic violence has been seen as a private matter as something between a husband and a wife for so many years of in through the twentieth century. Violence between a husband and wife didn't even have a name. It was considered normal communities. Accepted it because it was a private matter and so now we're in a world where women are finally coming forward and some men are coming forward and saying i have been abused. This is everybody's business it's everybody's problem and the media commentators are simply not prepared. This is also a player who's shown an incredible lack of judgment this entire year starting with the potomac. He played the french open with a fever. He fled the adriatic tour. He did all that. Maskless partying in the south of france and monaco that you know of course people posted on instagram and the us open was supposed to be his redemption moment where his parents had tested positive for covid. He cried about them on court. It was very touching because it's real. It's human and then a few weeks later at the french open. He goes on court with symptoms of covid. Thank god he did not test positive but this is extremely reckless behavior and at the time fans of of all they could do on. Twitter was cry about the fact that ben rothenberg him a very mean question about playing and then argue while the question wasn't inappropriate. It's just who asked it and and now some are saying. These allegations are less credible. Because ben rothenberg did this story with sharp pogo which is mind blasting to me because in order for this to go to print they probably consulted lawyers. This is on racket magazine. If these allegations are false right they could be held liable for printing libellous statements and of course ben was extremely careful to use allegedly and say. This is the gospel truth of what happened. This is what olea is saying has happened. And so i know that we give them a little bit of on this podcast but i think he did a very sensitive and responsible job in covering the story and when you say why did then have to do it. The answer is why did ben contact this person. I there are a lot of reporters out there. Why didn't they cover it. We'll get to that a little bit later. Because there's something i want to add with respect to the atp's deafening silence on this issue. The pivot that we want to make here is from zverev to the atp virus handling of this situation his delib narcissistic propping up of himself as someone triumphing over. The haters is atrocious. That is a factor as far as we're concerned but then what is the atp's responsibility in all of this. What should we expect from them to address the situation. Keep in mind. This is not the first instance of domestic violence allegations made against one of their top thirty players. This year bustle is really is dealing with an actual court case in georgia in his home country as we speak and atp has been completely mum on the matter the entire time. He's been playing all through the restart he's been. I mean he can barely win a match but he has been playing has not been sanctioned. No statements from the atp at the minimum. I suppose that makes him more guilty because he's not winning right. If we follow the logic daniela yeah but journalists have now started to speak out and say this is actually baffling that. They've never seen something quite like this in sports that they've covered that the atp has not said a word not even a bad statement. No statement at all one of your top players. Your leading us prospect. Someone who your banking on to take the into the post era has been accused of something very very serious someone. Who's been the face of the so-called nexgen for years now. John wertheim in his latest column. Did the atp favor and drafted a statement for them and he said it should include things like we condemn domestic violence in the strongest possible terms. And we are launching an independent investigation on the accusations. Simple any corporate. Communications person could draft that in five minutes instead they were approached by rothenberg for the magazine piece and they referred him to their code of conduct an in that code of conduct. Do you want to get into what they cushman hiding behind. Yeah if you're interested you can just you can simply google. Atp player conduct and you'll find something called the code in article eight zero five a to you'll see a section called conduct contrary to the integrity of the game. This bullshit again. The spirit of the game conduct of the game integrity of the game this ambiguous description so when benn reach out to the atp for comment they did respond but they did not address the allegations per se. They directed him to vera of denial and to this section of the atp code of conduct what they mean by conduct contrary to the integrity of the game is anything that hurts the favorable reputation of the atp. Its tenants and players being valuable assets and creating tangible benefits for all eighteen members accordingly it is an obligation for atp players and related persons to refrain from engaging in conduct contrary to the integrity of the game of tennis and they outline a few different ways that that integrity can be violated section b. Says a player that has at anytime behaved in a manner severely damaging to the reputation of the sport maybe deemed by virtue of such behavior to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the game of tennis. C and d talk about a player convicted of a violation of a civil or criminal law of any jurisdiction and that person may be deemed again to have violated the integrity of the game. The next paragraph has similar language about being convicted of a violation of a civil or criminal law and it goes further and saying that the atp executive vice president may provisionally suspend a player from further participation in atp tournaments pending a final determination of the criminal or civil proceeding so this implies that that player could be suspended while the criminal proceedings are going on before. That person was found guilty or not guilty. Section e says violation of this section shall subject the player to a fine of up to one hundred thousand dollars and or suspension from playing atp tour or atp tournaments for periods of up to three years. Now there's a lot of big language in here. There's a lot of language to hide behind. What are the things that we've seen the atp tour take action on the past. We've seen it on cursing on smashing rackets on being disrespectful to umpires betting. Yeah it's most frequently with actual play of the game. Something that happens on court or directly related to something that happens on court like you said betting nikki aerials for example said that said earlier this year that the atp was extremely corrupt and they didn't punish him under this section but they did issue a statement very swiftly condemning what he said. It doesn't make them look very good now that they haven't even issued a statement for this what i suspect and i sure of what i suspect is. They're leaning on this section c and d which talks about violations of laws and so rather than acting. Now there're gonna wait to see if a criminal or civil matter comes to court. That's what i think. However the first section gives them very broad leeway to act if someone behaves in a manner that is damaging to the integrity of the sport and in this case the allegations probably under that that very broad definition. What that tells me that is they. Don't take it seriously. it also tells me that they're banking on the fact that tennis is so under reported. It's not like the nfl where you have concentrated us-based media that has a new cycle that continually regenerates itself. It's always going if you get wrapped up in that new cycle. You're not you're not gonna leave something that you have to address with tennis. You have events being played all over the globe in multiple different countries. You do not have the same set of reporters covering every single tournament. People are like why. Why aren't more people covering this incident wearing more people covering these allegations. Why has been rothenberg. Who has to do it. I would believe it more if somebody else didn't well. There is nobody else. Tennis reporters are not making money off of covering tennis. It's why we've seen so many of the familiar names flocked tennis majors something that sprung up from patrick maroteaux blue in this covid era to write stories because people aren't being paid you have to chase the money where you can get. It and reporters cannot comment on the story. They need to report. They need to report. I this is what they do. And i understand. The social media has sort of blurred the lines between armchair commentator and journalist but a journalist is not going to tweet or write a story about this without actually doing genuine reporting. And as you said. Ben is the only one so far who has really done that and so when the atp knows that this is not a story that's going to gain traction in big markets in big newspapers not gonna get a segment on espn sponsored or not dropping them. You're not gonna turn on sportscenter and hear alexander's bear has been accused of. So-and-so you're going to get a thirty second clip of verve beating dull to make the paris finals does what you're going to get there. There's no airspace. There's no written space for this. In the sport journalism landscape so the atp can hide behind that we can talk to her blue in the face on tennis twitter. Which in itself is a subset of twitter. That shows niche ten. Is's right and a small subset of tennis fans world so we're we're two shouting into a vacuum whereas this story just does not penetrate anywhere so who is going to hold. Atp to account they're banking on the fact that this story will just go away and they just don't have to deal with it. That's my take on so far. It's one piece in rocket magazine. It's a few pieces written in other languages. It's tv commentary and it's a dedicated group of essentially trolls on tennis twitter. Not letting them forget about this but a lot of them being verifying yes or for former throws fan to their credits. So many fans. Of sasha's vera of i mean they flipped immediately like so many fans said immediately. We believe her. This is really disappointing because we like sasha were fans of him but we believe her but those people can be so easily brushed aside by the atp by the tennis channel. Because what power do they have when the numbers start to grow and when reporters and commentators start to key into what's going on on the grassroots level which has tennis twitter attitudes can begin to change but you're also able to understand just how difficult it is for women to come forward and speak out because there's so many levels at which the story can get stifled verbs employers in in effect. He's an independent contractor of the atp. They have taken the stance as they have with. Puzzles really to completely ignore it right. They haven't even taken a stance. It's just complete oblivious and this is totally out of step with any serious major sporting organization in the world today. Nothing that's important to note. Every credible sporting organization has something on the books to deal with this kind of thing and we'll speak up about it and if tennis wants to grow and become bigger sport and to take a bigger piece of the pie. This is part of the process. You have to show that you take yourself seriously. You can't be hiding behind these vague clauses in your code of conduct to try to prop up and protect your players. Let's talk about the nfl for a moment as an example of a league. That was extremely bad at this for a long time and has completely turned the corner. They established a domestic violence policy in two thousand fourteen after completely failing and handling the ray rice incident and this this incident. You may remember was caught on tape. Was the incident in the elevator. It right it was an in an elevator. He hit his fiancee or partner so hard that he knocked her unconscious. There's no denying that this happened because it was on tape. The suspension was small. The the criminal proceedings were unsatisfactory and the nfl got roasted pretty badly for this so as a result that later that same year they instituted abroad policy about domestic violence and how they would handle it. They included a broader set of infractions. So including actual or threatened physical violence assault and battery stalking harassment intimidation and sexual assault. It said a baseline suspension of six games for any infraction and aggravating circumstances could increase that suspension. What's very interesting here is. The policy also sets out new services for survivors of violence. There's league funded counseling. There's treatment services. For families and establishes compulsory education program for nfl teams and staff reportedly a very powerful session on domestic violence. That all nfl teams have to go through and a one of the domestic violence experts that was interviewed at the time. Said that it's important that this policy is malleable. Changeable and that the punishments were not draconian because very often extremely draconian punishments are damaging to the victims and survivors. It can discourage reporting and it can harm families so at the minimum. The atp needs to have a policy and a protocol on how to deal with something like this. It's it is so basic and what you could say is exactly what john wertheim said we condemn domestic violence. You don't have to say that you believe is guilty. Right you don't have to condemn the player but you say we are going to conduct a thorough independent investigation and if we find there is some truth to this story. Here's what we'll do and this is where they are particularly out of step and awful right now. Allegations have been made where a tour official we think or labor or either way that's an atp tournament. There is an actionable piece of information where you can investigate. You can speak to that person and go from there. You simply say. This is an ongoing matter. We treat domestic violence seriously. We will conduct the internal investigation. And in this case. There are things. You can actually investigate. And then you come back and provide your findings. In the meantime you do not look like a complete farce of an organization this organization that propped up justin gimelstob has propped up puzzles. Feely has done nothing on this issue. They have nothing to say about issues of inclusion on the tour this was the first year that the atp subsidiaries in their social media even acknowledged pride month right the atp behind on these issues they just want to ride the coattails of the big three and hope that the next gen transition into similar status and the burden of proof in an internal investigation is not as high as a criminal court right. You don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these things happened the atp sanctions players for non-criminal offenses all the time for cursing on the court for damaging equipment on the court like there are a lot of conduct and d day violations. That are well within the db's purview. This is something that it's extremely serious but it seems like they view it as a private matter that they don't wanna get into so. Why is tennis so rinky-dink why are they. So bush league because as you said these things keep happening and the atp is left holding back because there are not policies and practices in place to deal with these issues when they come up if i'm a wti player and there's all this talk much quieter now but all this talk at the start of quarantine about a merger between the two tours. This is something. I'm looking at with exciting looking all over the place because you have two of the top thirty eighty p players being accused of this stuff and i'm supposed to attach myself to that product right like who who works in. Hr in the atp who writes your policies. I mean you. Literally copy policies cut and paste from the nfl nba mlb. All of the american major sports have protocols that they use now to deal with this because they messed up so badly in the past so why is tennis. Repeatedly failing to learn from the league's mistakes one of the big takeaways in watching this story unfold. Even if you believe in his innocence but just from the way. He's handled it from the way. The tours handled it is how easily and constantly believed men are and how they're propped up at every turn how they're cuddled at every turn it seems to me. That's verve has been told no very few times in his life. When i when i read his statements i my first thought was how bad is his management. And then i realized his management is team eight. The management company co founded by roger federer and tony. God sick. tony got sick is his agent. What are they doing. They're asleep at the wheel and they have an. I mean an incredible financial incentive to keep this kid on the up and up. They've invested a lot of money. They i mean their business plan is to establish a small group of elite iconic athletes. The exact quote. His teammates objective is to represent a small set of iconic athletes and ensure that their career trajectory keeps moving in the right direction. This would run contrary to that right so they you know they have a very small number of athletes represent and it's issues baffling to me that they haven't been able to intervene with sasha craft better statements and show at least a bit of sensitivity even if the allegations are false. You may say well. I want to hear. Roger speak on this publicly. I would love to as well failing that he actually hands the inside line to have this dealt with in a public way better through that team management company. He doesn't have to have his face on it. But the management. I mean he's representative of him could do a better job teammate. Could say you have embarrassed us and you need to fix it. And here's the script you know like this is what agents. Npr people do. It's it's crazy to me. There have been very very few people from within tennis. Who have spoken in support of sharipova. I can think of one. Dara governor lovo from the start has been saying that i believe olea. She had hatched eggs with her tweet and then she she went on a podcast called jewels on the hustle with julie l. baba saying i love sasha and when i saw statement i was like come on. You're better than that. This was after she had said that she felt it was important given that nobody was standing up for her to believe the woman to to say publicly that i believe her because too often nobody stands up for the women and men are able to just carry on unchecked. She i mean she did not hesitate. She spoke up very very early after this happened and she hasn't really been joined by any of her peers but there are a few players who are the total opposite. Side of the spectrum from gavrilova antonia lochner. The german tennis player. Said i know alex for a very long time. And he's one hundred percent. non abuser. The linda bench chimed in said ugly. Now how do you know that exact. I mean you know to be fair. We don't know if the allegations are true but for the many many many reasons that we outlined earlier in the episode we are inclined to believe them benches inclined to not believe them which has her perogative. but the sort of piling on of oley. Sharapova is really disappointing. Because she's been subjected to a lot of misogynistic. End zena phobic comments saying that of course a russian woman say this. She's a gold digger. she's lying. She's trying to ruin alex thereof and his very of has gone through his instagram and deleted all the negative comments and left the supportive. Ones right like these are not the actions of contrite or innocent person. Where do we leave this on this episode. I suppose where we leave. It is that we hope the atp. As the men's thomas organization understands its responsibility here in creating a policy for domestic violence that allows for an investigation for possible suspension with pay of the player pending investigation. And at least explains to the world that they take accusations like this very seriously and and not have one of your star players gold on-court given interview and then impress afterward pretending like this is all a game and i think it's very important to mention that the lack of a clear policy here is damaging to the accused as well as the accuser as the accused person. Let's say you're innocent. You wanna know what is my league doing for me right now. They're silence has muddied the waters it's time for the atp to step up and stop being bush league and stop pretending that tennis does not exist outside of the lines on the actual tennis court time and time again. We see the tour fail to address any of these concerns across a broad swath of issues. And it's simply not good enough in twenty twenty. It's not good enough if you want to be taken seriously as a professional sporting organization and for a new president of the atp. This is not the shift in tone the shift in action that we would have hoped to see. Thanks for listening to this Rather serious episode of the body serve. We will be back on very soon. The funny stuff soon. How funny it'll be. It'll be more regularly. Tennis scheduled programming other stuff on the agenda having to do with the tour finals and the paris masters that we were going to talk about it was under gender but didn't feel in step with what we were on this so we'll let this stand alone and then come back again soon ish with other stuff. If you'd like to get in touch with us we are at the body serve at gmail.com. We don't often list our email but you can feel free to email us. We are on twitter and instagram at the body surf. I'm james at elliot jamar on twitter to els to tease. I'm jonathan at tennis. Underscored john you can find it on spotify apple. podcasts overcast. All your podcast. Apps leaves a review if you're so inclined and thanks for listening till next time.

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Maria Sharapova's Retirement from Tennis

Beyond the Baseline

25:14 min | 1 year ago

Maria Sharapova's Retirement from Tennis

"The Everyone John. Wartime here in this week's sports illustrated tennis podcast in emergency. Podcast such as it is. We woke up to the news that British are povo is announcing her retirement at age. Thirty two I'm in the studio with Jamie can morning Jamie Good Morning. I don't know if you share my sentiments. This was news. That is not remotely surprising. We were all expecting this. I think Most people had already pre filed. The Maria Sharapova retires column and yet I gotTa say it feels you know an hour into this but Feels a little weird definitely I. This is not like Last time we had big Sharipova News at SL which was of course it. Two Thousand Sixteen and that that was a big surprise. This like you said I think we all saw it coming. It was a matter of when and not if so for to be now is I think a pretty normal timing given whether she's going to play Indian Wells and Miami probably would have kick started her into the French and Wimbledon and then sort of. You're playing out the year at that point so for her to call it quits after all. Cheyenne this little gaps. Seems to make sense but I don't know what do you think? Yeah ranked ranked three seventy three. Something had to give here. This is a five time major champion. Who you did not think was going to play the wild card game for very long. I I guess I would perhaps suspected she would have played Indian Wells. It's an event where she's had success. It's two hours from her home in southern California she would have gotten a grand sendoff But you know this. This is I had these two competing instincts with Sharipova. What what do we know about her? She is fiercely. Driven fiercely competitive. She is and always has been. I think we can talk about this a bit later. The consummate professional and those are really dueling instincts when you're ranked three seventy three and not playing it anywhere near the level that you're accustomed to Part of you probably says I can fight through this. This is just more adversity. I can overcome. I'm better than this. I just need to work harder. I can get my body right. I can get my mind right. I can get back. I don't WanNa go out like this and another part of you says surely I can't have this indignity. I can't be losing round after round early. I'm not seated so I'm playing tough opponents. My Body's giving up on me so I think you had and they came from the same place but they're two very different ways to react to to the same core instinct and today she said enough is enough. I mean I think you're right that You know February is a strange month in tennis. And I guess you know we're we`re. There's no perfect way to retire from the sport and we see even within tennis players very differently. Some players go on this goodwill tour and some players like Caroline Wozniacki says look. I'm going to pinpoint this as my last event and go ahead and prepare your tribute reels. And I'm GonNa play this event knowing when I lose my last match. That's IT and Sharipova. We've seen other players. There's players do this as well. Sharapova pulled us out of the blue and it's it's a Wednesday and she's not at a tournament today And retired in her own way. So I don't know I mean the other. There are a number of questions that stem from this whole conversation and jump in any jump in anytime here. I mean I think the overall question when a player retires as we assess legacy I don't know particular bullet points. Jump out at you Jamie. I think I think highs and lows complicated legacy Of course is going to be attached to share over The the craziest thing I think if you look at the timing now she's ranked three hundred seventy three which says absolutely nothing about her career but to your point. I mean she was at the point now where she was trying to come back and she's nowhere even near the top one hundred You know not even winning any matches and it's it must be really hard for her honestly to you know given all that she's accomplished. I think we said thirty six. W titles obviously the five Grand Slams all these rivalries quote unquote particularly with Serena Williams which is also another interesting conversation to have but I think it was probably getting difficult for her to continue to be you know struggling and Her her legacy given you know the the MELDA NEOM and the ban will always thou always be part of her story? Yeah I think you're absolutely right and today should be happy day. Celebrate a five time major champion. I mean I was looking at her staff and I think we forget how good she was for for a variety of reasons. I think to the casual tennis fan. They were misled by two. One is the head to head with Serena that you reference. She beat Serena Breakthrough Center women. Final Two thousand four and then she loses whatever. The math twenty two is the derived. So lose eighteen nineteen matches to Serena Williams And I think that to the casual fan that we say rivalry. And then we sort of have to amend that to say with a lopsided rivalry which might be an oxymoron. The other thing about Sharipova that I and I wrote about this that I think is a great Sort of misleading bid about her is she had this regal disposition and she endorsed product after product. And it was very upscale. And it's Evian Cole Haan I remember you. I remember walking in New York and seeing her on three different billboards for three different upscale products. And there was this or of elegance. She was selling herself as much as she was a brand. She was selling sort of cosmopolitan posh elegance in yet. The tennis was. I was called her sort of tennis. Gym Rat I mean. It was not elegant tenants by any stretch and Jud admit to that and she was in her own way your own six foot one inch which she was a grinder and she was not what you call an athlete. He wasn't a graceful mover. She did not play graceful elegant tennis and I always thought that was really to her credit. That you'd see her on the back court and she'd be doing her footwork drills because she knew that was an area to improve and she would be working on her serve which always gave her fit in part because of the shoulder injury and she would grind out matches and she would win tough matches. She did not. This was not the female Roger Federer and I think tennis fans of course know that but I think casual fans see all of this aura of elegance and assume she played that way and that wasn't the case at all I mean the the screaming grunting grinding sweating. You'll brushing the hair that had managed to her forehead. That's the Maria Sharapova on the tennis court has an athlete And I think you know again I want to just this should be a day to give credit to someone who had a tremendous career and five majors. Yes but thirty six titles almost forty million dollars you got to number one. I mean this is really an a-list career and you know she had the misfortune of playing. At the same time Serena Williams and there was a lot that went into that relationship beyond the tennis. That probably did not work to Maria benefit but you take away. Cerita you take away. Venus Williams seven majors. Maybe Justine Henin. Maybe Kim Clijsters and I think it's very easy to make the case. Marisha published one of the top five players of the Post Steffi Graf of the last twenty five years and tennis so this is really a remarkable career. And yet as you mentioned if we're going to talk about her honestly. This wasn't the way it was supposed to end. Which is you know a a doping ban. I thought a very clumsy handling of the doping ban. I thought it was very out of character and off brand of her to have been so sloppy. Not just in the violation but then in the aftermath and how it was handled and some of the the the the press conference that we referenced and she was never the same player after that and you know co correlation is not causation and may simply have been that. She was a little sport and she was in early thirties and players get older. We see this on not just in tennis but in in sports in general I mean thirty two big number in in women's tennis but it was not supposed to end with a doping band and a ranking that drifted deep into triple figures so overall macro great career hall of fame player but there is a tinge I think of bittersweet. There is a little bit of disappointment. That This wasn't the way this hall of fame career was supposed to be a gift. Compare what we saw a month ago when Caroline wozniacki is out there on the court and our families there and she's toasted and all of the players are making tribute videos and were. She's crying but she's saying I'm not sad and she does. I mean I talked to her the following day. She was all gussied up because she clearly had been doing the spots around. There's definitely a difference of a decision on your terms and decision that was made based on your body and The time of your career. You know it's it's very different in comparing into. What was the Yankee especially given those? The Yankees recent title in Australia just seemed very full circle for her to do that. this again is random but also very expected. I think one of the things I always sort of liked about Sharipova was Her personality in in two ways. I think we talk. You talk about her on the court sweating grinding shrieking. I mean everyone. I think even if you're not a big tennis fan you know share Provo. Because maybe she made you mute the TV while you're watching a match and that's something that a lot of people will probably joke about but you know she worked hard in the court she was always like fierce and and you know a competitor for sure but she also you know. I remember processors and and interviews where she's actually has a very great personality and and you know quite opposite of that fierce competitor where she could be funny and she was actually Kinda Witty and and You know there was a a side to her personality. That was very likable. When most people on the court probably saw the opposite so overall she's a huge name. In this sport she's one of the handful that transcends just tennis you you mentioned her and she needs only one name There's only a handful of those type of athletes so I think She will definitely be missed. I think we're fair to say. Oh absolutely and I. I think what happens next will be interesting. I always felt like it. I don't I don't think it was dishonesty. I think it was shrewd in clever but there was a real gap I thought between reality and perception with Maria and part of it was just this grinder mentality this real professionalism that she took to the job and then she was marketed. As sort of elegant queen. I always found her to be sort of introverted. I think you're right there. There was a real there was a real wit to her. She's very smart And she had these various business interests but she was not someone that was. There's a Mr trump bring around the world and I mean I think she courtney tells a story of sorts. They talked about what board games they were GONNA buy. Because Maria Sharapova likes to go home and play board games that she was not someone who you thought was going to clubs till two. Am and she wasn't someone that was going to every Warren Buffett Summit There was a real sort of introversion to her and yet at the same time she was this worldly figure who who who also had this business empire right. And that's as you say like her next chapter she You know set it in the Vanity Fair piece. But she's going to climb up her next melon and you know traverse our next rain here so I think that her her business and and things will probably expand Beyond Sugar Popa. I mean she's showed an interest in fashion and that sort of space creative in terms of things like interior design and stuff so I feel like there might be a Something for her along those lines. What do you think he i? Don't I mean I when athletes retire and again? This is no way pejorative. I mean I really sympathize with athletes. But there's always a question especially in individual sports is is this gonNA stick. Men Had Maria Sharapova not retired. Today we likely would have been talking about Kim Clijsters who aged thirty six three children is back out there. Unretired for a second time. I think it's a totally normal instinct to say I had this one in a billion literally one in a billion gift. Why am I so quick to stop doing this So whatever athlete retires. They're sort of becomes a question of? Do you think it's GonNa Stack or do you think we're gonNA see them again. I don't think that is the case. Here I don't think part of the physical part of it is just the the grind and the travel and the fact that she has this diversity of interest. I don't think a year from now. Maria Sharapova is gonNA quietly enter A two fifty event on a wildcard and Dipoto back in the the WTO waters. I also don't necessarily think I. I think she liked parts of tennis. I'm not sure she loved the the circus and the culture and the ecosystem of tennis. I don't think this is a player who is going to appear on tennis channel OR COACH PLAYER. Locker Room right not a locker room stalwart yes. That's well that's well put And you know. I think there's probably something to be read into the fact that she announced his retirement on vogue and Vanity Fair But it's interesting that you wrote a memoir and she lives in southern California. I mean it's Kobe Bryant has in so many ways has emerged as a figure in the last month in one of the ways. I think he's emerged. He's really become the standard bearer for how an athlete can make a graceful transition to go from being an athlete to being a creative force. And maybe that's You know lives ten miles from Any of one hundred production houses and I think there are a lot of options outside of tennis for Maria Sharapova and you know I think Tennis will miss her. This Day had sort of been coming for a long time but yeah jayme. I'm it's going to be weird to look at a draw and not see a five time major champion there. We had a taste of it. But I think With when you when you couple that with what was the Yankees retirement and perhaps at the end of this year we can add other names this list. You know it's it's making twenty twenty feel like a big transition year for the WPA already even with only two names on that list. So I think it will be interesting to see. I mean we're still so early. That's what's crazy is that it's only February and tennis of course. Usually the warmup bands perhaps for For players with more than five. But I'll tell you one last thing that's interesting. I'm looking at her bio right here. I was looking at for her prize. Money which is almost forty million dollars and that is strictly her ten tennis person. That is to say nothing of that but So here's this this is from her. Wti website more on Sharipova. So it has her father Yuri. Her Mother Yelena started playing tennis at age. Four at age. Sixty took part in Moscow exhibition that featured Martinez sort of the standard bio stuff right. She became began training at age. Nine we all know the story Or per father that came over with very little that sort of the the standard bio in the very next sentence so nothing about tennis nothing ever philanthropy just visit the next sentence after the bio has become a major force in the business world with a series of very successful ventures including Nike Apparel Collection of portion portion passenger ship and launching a candy and chocolate. Line Sugar Peuvent two thousand twelve. So this is our own. Wt A bio. This is like the in house talking points and after the basic biographical bullet points What comes next is a major force in the business world if you were Looking for symbolism reading tea leaves for what comes next That to me says plenty But Again I. I WanNa just harp on the tennis because a lot a lot of angles to this story. People have a lot of opinions about Maria Sharapova again the last five years the T- to use the cliche that the narrative sort of lurch and a different direction. But I think step back and we are talking about really a five majors each of the four in the French twice for a player who by her own. Admission is no athlete. This is really a tennis career worthy of our celebrating I I agree I wanted to ask you about going into SL vault here going back to the July twenty fifth two thousand four issue. There's a story here with the headline. A star is born a star. Who happens to be a gorgeous six foot blond with blistering? Strokes is the headline But tell us tell us about this story so she. This is seventeen year old Maria Sharapova after she wins Wimbledon right so You kind of went along for the media ride. After all that with her tells them about story. We're dating ourselves. The sounds like a very You know two thousand four media Simon but My colleague and in France Scott Price was at Wimbledon and did a very fine story. Maria Beats Serena Williams and you really had a sense of emergence And then she came to the US and you had this sort of young tennis talent. And she had this back story She had I g working the machinery and had this this media tour in. They invited me to basically Go on the drive along at the time. She had what endorsement and I always kid her. Agent Max is and but about this But by the WAY SIDEBAR. One agent her whole career that tells me something about her priorities. Loyalties I I think there's something significant about that but Anyway Matt Maxim but Invited me to come on the drive. On at one point she had one sponsor which was speed. Minton which is sort of like a pickle ball rival. I don't know if speed Mitt never caught on but I credit them further pressure on signing Maria Sharapova as a teenager to endorse their products. It was like speed badminton. Come a long way to Porsche ambassadorship Cole. Haan Evian and then went up at speed. Mitten was her only sponsor she wins Wimbledon. And there's this absolute media frenzy and they invited me to basically come on the you know. What would you call police on the Dan? Abram show? Yeah I was like the the ride along and I went back backstage at the Craig Kilborn Show. I remember Max Isan Bud saying Craig kilborn shows perfect. Because I think this isn't a story. It's perfect because you you get practice in live TV. But it's only Craig kilborn Craig. Kilborn eventually became Jon Stewart. So it would have been a bigger deal but you. I think we went to regis and Kelly. We went to redesign Kelly. We went to NBC. And then she was supposed to play the new haven event so we drove to haven and our phone is buzzing and again. This was a few days after disgraced breakthrough. She's won Wimbledon dream. Come true beat Serena Williams and it was just absolute chaos and craziness but there was also a sense even at age seventeen that she knew she needed to capitalize. And you win a tournament like that and you have a moment like that and you don't go back to Florida and sit on the Beach. You need to suck it up and take seventy two hours take a week income to Manhattan do the circuit so I followed her along for that. She was absolutely exhausted by the amateur absolutely going on fumes which was more than understandable but even at age seventeen she had not just a real presence but a real professionalism and a real sense that she knew very early on and maybe that was a function of coming from some privation. I maybe that was the circumstances of her coming here and some some desparation earlier but she knew that her duties. We're going to go beyond hitting a yellow ball across the net in that sitting with Kelly. And even if you had to explain your grunting or even if you had Schmooze with sponsors in new haven. When you'd much rather be talking to your friends on the phone. She knew that there were duties and obligations to being a tennis player that extended way beyond tennis. And that was something that She never lost her entire career again. An absolute say what you will about her? I realize my twitter already. You Post retirement announcement already. That the polarization has begun but you cannot deny that this was a consummate professional. Athlete agreed very very poised especially In all of those media reading the article as you're talking through it but I mean there was like you said Regis and Kelly the today show seventeen years old to yeah and right after everything. I mean we talk about it with even Sophia cannon like going through this whole. It's a life changing moment and Know this was in two thousand four so this is before a lot of the things that we have and athletes have to deal with today so Yeah it's We'll link willing to story Good Good Maria Sharapova though Miss this of the day to to celebrate a hall of fame career we will see her in Newport and Yeah it'd be. I mean again Indian. Wells starts in about two weeks. Jamie and it will be Filler weird minute I mean. She's she's been part of the firm for almost twenty cannot be right more than fifteen years. Wow twenty years. Maria Sharapova has been part of tennis and Do you think that she will be one of the former players who show up and you know sit in the box French Open or come and hang out at Wimbledon and and watch a few matches or you think she's going to take time at least for this year to watch from the comfort of her home. That is a great question because there is a real continuum there. I mean there's some players you it's like they're never left and you see them all the time and other times. Steffi Graf is a prominent example. You don't see you Monica. Seles out there. I mean other players. You Seldom Seldom Seldom See. I think Maria will do. What's expedient what's necessary and if there's some wt reunion show be a good sport and she'll be there and I think if she's being honored and would would you give out the trophy in twenty twenty four on the twentieth anniversary of your winning Wimbledon. Would you present a trophy special? Say Yes but I don't think she's going to Show up in hang out in the in the players Lounge for the for the hell of it it's fair Looking forward to seeing what's next. I know we talked about this all the time. But retirement specially with an athlete with as long of a career as Mary Sharipova. Suddenly just cutting it off and stopping Has to be one of the hardest things so it Will be really interesting to see how she handles it. And what happens next absolutely all right. We're GonNa have a whole discussion this week. And Roger Federer's knee injury was back in nick. Curious Hates Clay Court tournaments and the Bryans one hundred whatever two hundred list. We'll do that next week but I'm glad we're able to do this on short notice. Maria Sharapova off to Newport Congratulate her on a hall of fame career and we will We'll do this again. Next week sounds good. Thanks Jamie thanks. Everyone for listening. This was in emergency. Maria Sharapova retires podcast. This is a sports illustrated tennis podcast. We will be back next week. Keep your suggestions coming. Continue to rate the show recommend recommend more guests subscribe. I tune stitcher wherever podcast or sold. Thanks for listening and we'll do it in seven days.

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Post-Australian Open Mega Episode

The Tennis Addict Podcast

1:09:00 hr | 1 year ago

Post-Australian Open Mega Episode

"TO BE KIDDING ME STOKING. I mean host Michael and It's been a while to be honest with you. I hadn't really planned on this happening So I do apologize for not having had an episode out honestly and about month my initial plan was to to maybe take a week or two off at most and then jump right back into it. It just didn't happen in some of that's just life but At the same time you know you guys want episodes and it's my fault for not getting them out so this is kind of going to be a little bit of like A little bit of a mega sewed. I suppose That's not to say this. This is going to be like a two hour three hour episode or anything like that But when I'm going to try and do is a cover kind of a lot of the stuff that's been going on in the last thirty days or so okay up until this morning. Basically the news. That's come out. I'm not saying that I will hit every single thing. That's happened thus far in the world tennis on the men and women side. But I'M GONNA try and get to the least the big stuff So what I'll do of course is I'll do results and stuff I run through those And then I'll get to some of the other news that's come out that isn't necessarily on-court related and then I'll jump into some additional information and subjects so this is going to be Three Center set one. Of course is going to be the news set to. I'm GonNa talk more exclusively about the retirement of Maria Sharapova and set three. I'm GONNA TALK ABOUT INDIAN WELLS BEING CANCELLED. And what's next so all right? So let's start out with With set one of the news and on the ATP side Do WanNa talk about some of the results that we have seen in the last month or so so obviously after Australia the World Tennis Does Not Stop Right. You have a lot of hard court tennis. Of course you also have Some Clay Court tennis mixed in there as well before we get to Indian wells in Miami for the spring hard court season so far things off. Here I WanNa talk about the winner. Here of the the Cordova Open which was won by Christian Garin and this is a young player who is really starting to make some noise. He made a little bit of noise last year. He was kind of talked about in tennis circles as a player to really look out for and he seems to be a really making his presence known on the tour which is Great. You know because you continuing to see. An infusion of talented young players on tour is a great thing. Now He is twenty three so it's not like we're talking about sixteen seventeen year old So he has taken a little while to maybe make impact that we thought he may be could have made a couple years ago are moving further back but he is starting to really make some noise right and he did that here at the Cordoba Open. was on clay So it was really great win by him Next step was the TOTTA Open. Which was won? Buys you reversal? This is a hardcore tournament Jerry vessel you know. He's had a talented player But at the same time he's always been someone that I think has really struggled with staying healthy. And He's twenty six so obviously he's still really young. Got A lot of tennis ahead of him obviously. He's six no big Guy But maintaining his you know his health on a on a torment tournament basis is difficult for him and he's really struggled for the last few years in really being able to. Uh to string together tournaments. And then you know. Stay healthy for basically an entire season. It's just had some terrible terrible luck you know and if you look at his ranking history He's somebody who I think you know at one point. You thought maybe the sky's GonNa really really make some noise if you go back far enough back. Few years He did you know. Make it into the top thirty to forty range But then you know he just wasn't able to maintain his health and he went well outside the top one hundred and he's really starting to come back now Just in the last year he's moved up Let's season at the beginning of the year about forty spots. So a great win by vessels Slices him back on tour doing some things. And then we go to the eighty two fifty event the Sued Difference Open This has been by Oman. Fees on hardcore Gail Mon- FEACE The the man probably who has frustrated me more than any other player. I think in the last Ten to twelve years he's been modifies Maybe even a little more than that This is a guy who won. I think he went three junior Grand Slam tournaments I believe he competed in all four of them. Not Mistaken Great things were expected of him as defense his easy power Obviously the courts speed. You know obviously a factor in defense but the court speed everything and You know as high as six in the world but he just he's never been able to stay healthy but I never fell. He had the killer instinct But but that being said He has started to take his career more seriously. Here I think in the latter stages of his career on the last I think twelve to maybe sixteen months. I've really seen him put more effort and a week to week basis than maybe ever and He got a win here in in the Suda France Open The Open sue defense and so as goodwin him and he followed that up the next week with an ATP. Five hundred events Winning the Abyan Amro World Tennis Tournament and Obviously you're having a step up in competition here you know when you do that He just played great immune to it was maybe two the best weeks of solid tennis that. I've seen one fees play ever It was just you know every match. He could seem out there really. Trying hard working hard You know it's just. It's something that I like to see from him. I expect a lot from him because I think his career has been one of enormous enormous untapped. Potential to me if I'm talking about the greatest players that never win a grand slam. He's on that list easily and he's pretty high up there. If you're looking at players who I feel are the best players into a talent and just overall skill set He may be number one because his his ability on the court is just outstanding so Anyway agree win for him two weeks in a row to tournaments That he's one and you know it's wonderful to see So moving forward here We have Let's see what else we got here. The New York Open was won by cow Edmund. Nasc- admitted he's been kind of having a rough Twelve months or so. It's been. It's been pretty difficult for him. So it's nice to see him back in his winning ways and then move onto the Argentina open This one play of and clay and it was won by Casper Rude And hopefully I'm getting that correctly But this is a guy is twenty one years old He is a thirty six in the world Which is very near his his high which was Honestly it was just a few weeks ago. He was thirty. Four th in the world so A Guy who's obviously got some talent and He's really starting to make some noise as well So good for Casper and then Another eighty five hundred event real. Open here one again by Christian Garin We talked about him earlier. This is yet another victory by him. You know five hundred event He's like I said he's really starting to come into his own on the tour At twenty three. And he's making some noise so then we want to the two fifty event the Open Thirteen province in Marseilles in France. hard court tournament here one by Stefanos City poss- A good week for him. He really played well. I think throughout the entire week as two fifty events you're not gonNA maybe feasts the level of competition obviously at higher events but nevertheless look It winning anything Not long after you exit a Grand Slam. That you know a lot of people are saying you might have a chance of winning or at least Making a very very deep run Is Nice to see you know he bounces back. He gets right back to training gets right back to focusing on his next opportunity to prove something to himself into the tennis world so move onto to the Delray beach open which is run by Riley L. Palca Hardcore tournament here Again You know I'll talk is a big guy you know. Very basically he's a John is ner kind of Very much a clone of is not given his size and serve Young obviously he's got a long career ahead him so it was nice to see him able to win. This event has revived to the eighty. Five Hundred Fifty Dubai Duty Free Tennis Championships. Which one which was won by Novak Djokovic and I'll tell you what It's a great win by Novak. Obviously he just coming off an Australian Open title But I think even I think even his biggest fans would have to say that Some real luck played into no walking away with a table here. gaumont fees obviously playing extremely well After the Australian Open winning two events in a row comes into the tournament with a lot of confidence The FACT IS MON FEES. It's kind of a microcosm of their careers. Okay and it sounds bad for me to say this but it kind of is Novak never gave up in times you know as the greats do did just enough to just scrape out a win that they had no business winning in. That's every great player has those winds They're being up played They just they just do enough. I mean it's just is a Z. Scratchy it's one of those matches that they're going to look back on and go to save themselves. Like I was not the better player that day. I did just enough to win And this is what happened in this tournament Jovan was playing well but mafias won the first set. He was up a break. I believe he was up I WANNA say it was five two or five three something like that. I think is five three Basically one piece had that one and the fact that he let Novak Comeback and I believe there was also additional match points in the tie-breaker. The fact is though at the end of the day. Murphy's after after that Mafia just collapsed he had nothing left in. Novak ran away with it in the third set. But it's one of those wins that on the one hand you have to give full credit to Novak because a lot of players but even have great players would just pack it in two. You know had a really good tournament and this guy just did everything he had to do. And he threw everything the kitchen sink. All of it and it worked and I'm not going to win this match but Novak didn't he did what he needed to do. He kept getting balls back. He was forcing on fees at times to just hit one more ball. You know hit a little harder. Take a few more chances And you know on fees just was missing on some of those opportunities in when you're matchpoint multiple match points against a player any player but certainly an all time great. You have to find a way to get it. Done is the same exact thing that said about Roger Federer at the Australian Open you know to opponents who I think even again even Roger Fans went up to say we're the best players that day In Nova in the Roger a way to win those matches but even Roger admitted afterwards that like when he got you know to the back into the tournament and he lost you know he said I you know I really shouldn't have even been there. You know he's acknowledging the fact that yes he wanted us to match is that he but he should have lost them that he wasn't the better player that day it was the other guy crossed the net Now that being said look I mean. That's not Rogers fault and it's not Novak's fault. The other player has to make those shots when the opportunity arises and they didn't and and so you have to give credit to the player of you just continues to get balls back. Doesn't stop and it just results in player Not Finding a way to get done. And that's basically what happened on now like I said it's a bit of a microcosm of their careers Mon- fees has at times shown some really great you know moments some matches which had been outstanding performances against great players just jaw dropping but it always seems like in the moments where he has to really pull through. He doesn't again. I'm not trying to be insulting to Guy Aumont feace. He's an enormously enormously counted player. But I've always wondered about his level of belief in himself throughout his entire career. Even given all the talent the athleticism speed the easy power. The forehand you can he can crack a you know hundred in ten mile per for hint You can chase down a ball. He has no business getting to instill plenty of time to do something amazing with it. In when the point with all the skill he just. He's never I think ever either he doesn't have the desire to be a great player in winning Grand Slams. That doesn't matter to him and if it doesn't matter it's fine. I've kind of made my piece to a certain extent with With all of it but it again. It's kind of a microcosm of their careers. Novak doesn't give up keeps keeps. Grinding away keeps fighting desperate to win a point when his back up against the wall and Moan fees just even though he has the chances not getting it done missing the shot hitting the forehead long hitting the backhand into the net. Whatever it just it doesn't happen in the end form so anyway Great win by Novak. Then we have the IB Atto Mexicano To sell or sell Which is a tournament of five hundred or torment? Went ONE BY RUFFIN. A doll a great tournament. Buying a doll. He won every match Didn't drop a set the whole way You know and he he just took care of business and it was a great Warm up for Indian Wells and we'll get to that here in a little bit and then the final one was A Chile The Dove Man Care Open. This is on clay and it was won by Theo Sabbath wild and You know a young player who appears to have some talent on the clay and It's a two fifty event but it's a great win by him obviously A big deal in any tournament whether it's a two fifty five hundred whatever it is. It's always a big deal for the player that wins and I don't care if they're a grand slam champion or if they're not so it's a great win by wild So let's talk about some of the other news So I just ran through quickly the results but I wanNA talk about some of the things that have been happening in the world of tennis. the big thing. Obviously that happened a few weeks back was Roger Federer announcing that he had undergone arthroscopic knee surgery and it would force him to miss the spring hard in class seasons so basically he's not coming back until Wimbledon Maybe the possibility of a Wimbledon warm-up event but that's basically it and I don't know what happened here because you know only I don't know maybe four or five days. Prior to this announcement. Roger said the only tournament he was GonNa play was going to be rolling. Garris wasn't surprising. Right given his age given everything that He might just WanNa make rolling guaracy. The tournament is GonNa play on clay. And that's it. My guess is he went in for either a reevaluation or a second opinion or something basically. It was determined that that timetable weren't comfortable with that timetable. And so we basically ended up pulling out of all events up to Wimbledon. That's my guess. I'm John Curley shore but it sounds like that because it sounded like he was going to play Roland Garros. They kind of made the announcement and then all of a sudden just days later all of a sudden. You know it's just nothing's GonNa Happen at Roland Garros professor. He's not GONNA BE THERE. He's not entering he's not playing and it's just GonNa be a grasping so obviously as massive news He said that this has been an issue for awhile now. this isn't something that just popped up recently. He's been he's been dealing with some some knee pain for quite some time and I guess the idea here is that You know given the importance of Wimbledon. And I think you could argue given also the fact that the chances of Roger Winning Roland Garros isn't particularly high This is their window right. They can do the knee surgery He's not going to play. He wasn't gonNA play a whole bunch anyway. Even if healthy I doubt he was gonNA play more than maybe Indian Wells possibly Miami and then rolling garrison then Wimbledon so it was only going to be a few events between now and Wimbledon. Anyway so I think in their mind it was look We think that this is going to help you out. If you if you take that. Nepean away it's GonNa make movement better for you In their in their minds look Wimbledon is the Big One. Wimbledon's the one that Roger can still win and given the fact that he had matched points last year against Novak he is. He is motivated to win at At Wimbledon as if they're GONNA do this. I think the idea was look. Let's do the surgery in that some. Let's pull out of everything and you can He'll up you can rehab and then we can get training for women because this is the big one so you know and that's it you know and I think it's a good idea. Honestly I think Roger needs to focus on Wimbledon. I think this is a great for him. I think his fans need to be confident that this decision is the best thing for him so I applaud it. He's making the right decision. Here is painful as it is that he won't be on the tennis court. I think this is the right decision for Roger. All right so Let's move on here Next up was you know. Andy Murray There was talk about indie needing another Hip Surgery Which was surprising because he had been so confident. was talking about how well he was moving and all this but apparently there was an issue with If I remember bone growth around the new hip in that this bone growth could then like poke into the tissue and essentially make things very painful around the hip area so they basically have to go in and basically just clean it out. You know. I don't know I don't know whether it like going into filing away or just you know I don't know I'm not entirely sure how the whole process would work but essentially would be going in and removing the bone growth and making sure that it wouldn't happen again it essentially. I think it's something that was to happen. Like like maybe once or something with this like it can happen. It's not an uncommon thing but You know given what he's doing he's tennis player. Movement is essential if he's running around the court and pain. How's it any different than he was before the hip surgery may be not quite as bad for him but it's still not something that he could conceivably go into a major tournament and hope to win right so that kind of came out of nowhere But then he just days ago I think he. He said that there was a chance. He may not need the surgery and that he was going to entering Indian Wells So now things have changed obviously in that but also into the Indian Wells tournament so I don't know what this what this might mean. He may get An evaluation or something. I'm not sure right now though. I'm just GonNa Kinda look at it as India's is GonNa play moving forward until he says otherwise Let's see next up Kevin. Anderson has knee surgery to fix a torn meniscus. That will keep him out of the game for an unspecified amount of time The Big Fella just is having a really difficult time He really hasn't been able to play much sense. I believe like Wimbledon. From two years ago had the great Great run to the to the finals. Actually lost there and I don't know fat tournament really just just row has body or caused problems. But he has not been able to play much all last year. Just about and This year obviously. He's just dealing with these injury issues. That will not stop right now. So good luck to the big fella. Hopefully we'll see him back on the tour soon and then finally The Big One Indian Wells has been cancelled due to a positive case. Colonel Virus Now the possibility exists that the Miami open may also follow suit. Now that isn't news heard but it makes sense there have been more cases down in Broward County Which is whether the Miami openness held and there have been like I don't know how many cases but there have been more than one case down there if this expands at all If if there isn't a sense that the worst is over and that it might be safe to do it. I do believe there is a good chance at some point in the next week to ten days That the Miami Open may very well be cancelled as well. So I'm just saying a Mustang. It will happen unless you have any inside information but it makes us look at Indian Wells is going to be cancelled in. It's one case and in that's bad enough. Okay because one person this they know of too by the way not Not just one person and that's all it's going to be but you you bring a bunch of people in for the Indian Wells Tournament You know maybe there's some other people have been affected that we don't know about yet and they come in contact with people at the tournament. And the next thing you know This thing really explodes because then all these people that might get sick and not even realize that then leave a head back home all these states across the country or maybe even places in the in the world my point right amine all of a sudden you're sending you know tens of thousands of people off to all parts of the United States infected and they're gonNA affect the people. It's just how these things work. It's what we've been seeing so it makes sense that even though one case might sound like it's not that big a deal it's one case that they know about and my guess is they don't want to take chances and so on one hand. I kind of applaud them for it. Because this is something that they don't WanNa play with its ox because it's Indian Wells and is one of my favorite tournaments in the entire year and that includes the Grand Slams I love watching Indian Wells. It's it's an amazing tournament. I never been there. I do want to go. I do plan to get there at some point in time. Not this year I didn't plan on it And I really honestly. I'm happy that I didn't plan on going because You know it. I'd be sat on one level. Not going just because. I have tickets and you know travel plans and hotel reservations and all of it. So let's see what happens there again If I had to make a prediction I think the chance of the Miami Open. Being canceled is probably somewhere on the order of like about a sixty percent chance that it'll be cancelled I wouldn't say fifty fifty I'd actually say higher than that In going to go up if any more cases come down in Florida certainly down near where the Miami opens being held. I just expected them to be so We'll see what happens all right so let's go the BT side We do have some things to talk about when it comes to The people who've won tournaments assessed Ryan Open so first up was Kiki Burton's she won Saint Petersburg Open I believe she defeated Alina. Rob Akina Burton's A love for game new very topspin. Heavy you know she. She's a player that can go on a role sometimes It's been a bit of a rough run for her for for about the last twelve months or so maybe not maybe not twelve months. Close it and You know say to see her back in the winter circle Simona Halep won the Dubai title in kind of like Novak Djokovic to a certain extent How bad some really tough matches in the tournament She was pushed to three sets often. And you know winning man. I'll tell you what winning that That tournament was not easy She defeated Again Alina Rob Akina back yet. Again into another Final and Rob Akina. Kinda looked like she might win. That that match but you know what The halibut found a way. Robb Aquino won the first set. It looked like she was just gonNa Kinda rule right through. Didn't happen in HAL. Up again like Djokovic did enough just enough to win the title but it was not easy. She was pushed to the absolute limit in that match. Next up was reassigned Blanca. She won the Qatar. Open six three six three. That was against Patrick. Link is power was just too much She was just crushing. The ball as she does and It was a great win for her. I I love the waste avalanche of fights. I love her feistiness. I love her. Her staredown I love that. She's not intimidated by anybody and It was a great win for her Next up was Heather Watson. Feeding Leyla Fernandez. Six four six four six seven six one zero Mexico. Sell Open Yeah was a great win by Watson. She hasn't won a tournament in. I believe was it like three years. Something like that to three years Been Awhile for her. I guess she had considered retirement recently because she'd gone so long without winning title And Fernandez is all of seventeen years old and she is a lefty shows. Some real grit real termination out there. I love she's got very defensive oriented game but she can also go offensive at times And she's young. She's seventeen years old. She's got a lot of growing to do she's got a lot of the game is. GonNa grow big time like she's GonNa get Kind of more Experience on tour adapting to different services. It's going to be nice to see what she can do on the court All right so we have some retirement news so there's been a bit of a rash of retirements after the beginning of the are you had Obviously we have Maria which will talk shortly. But Johann La John Larson Just announcer retirement a few days ago from tennis. Ekaterina mcraven Makarova retired tennis as well and Carlos Whereas Navarro which she did announce that a while back But you know those three players just up and retired very recently and that's not even including Sharipova. It's you know. A lot of people would retire in notable mean. Macaroni via a top. Ten player Suarez Navarro. I don't remember her. Highest ranking is. But she's been she's been a mainstay at least in the top fifty four quite some time and no she's been in the top thirty In top twenty Inner career. So it's just it's it's crazy to see that many people retire and then you know Sharipova retirement as well so Yeah Look I. It's it's been a lot of news Lot of stuff. That's been going on and now these retirements post. Australian Open have just been Surprising To a certain extent some more so than others so That's percent one. Let's move on to set to which is going to be Discussing them reassure pover- retirement in a little more depth here. Now I gave this its own set because I just want to take some time to talk about Maria Sharapova so when she announced her retirement. I wasn't surprised. I think on a podcast last year. I believe I even said I was a little surprised. The tournaments she entered and she'd lost early. And I remember saying something like and I'm paraphrasing. Like wow I was actually surprised that she's still playing because I completely had forgotten the fact that she was still actively playing tennis because a combination of injuries and just poor results. I mean she was not playing almost at all. She was out with a shoulder injury and then she had an elbow issue and there was a knee issue. I mean there was just a rash of injuries. She cannot stay healthy at all. And you know at the time I said I don't know how long she's going to continue playing. I thought maybe she might retire at the end of last year. I really wasn't sure if we'd even see her in Twenty Twenty. But you know she. She came into the season She lost early Austrailia. She played a match after that and she lost and that was that was it folks. I mean it's as simple as that. I mean that was for retirement She is a player that I it's kind of hard for me to talk about her because there's just so many facets to her story it's like on some level it's like how do you begin. You know. This is somebody that won her first Grand Slam title at the age of Seventeen in two thousand. Four she defeated Serena Williams to do it right. I mean that's just crazy. At the time I mean Serena was in her early twenties. You know Dominating the sport just just basically killing people right. I mean she was. She had held every Grand Slam title. She had the Serena Slam She was barely being beaten at times. are barely yes. She's barely being beaten at times She was totally dominating. And then all of a sudden Sharipova comes along and she just boom takes her out in it Wimbledon right. But you know she's a she's a player that when I look back on her career I guess I want to do this. A couple different. I want to talk about her career overall and then I'm GonNa talk about her suspension. And then after she came back and we'll talk about in retirement and everything that we've we've seen or not seen in hurt or not heard since okay so when. I look at Sharipova I think on one hand. She achieved an incredible incredible amount in her career. Okay and that's true. She had a career record of six hundred and forty five. And one seventy one. That's that seventy nine percent on the dot okay She had thirty six career titles and she was ranked number one in the world. Okay on multiple occasions. She won a career. Grand Slam rights. You in the strain opened in two thousand eight. She won the US Open in two thousand Sixth Wimbledon in two thousand four and she won the French Open still to me. Mind bogglingly twice in two thousand twelve and two thousand fourteen. The the surface that she hated the most was worst on ended up being the surface that you want to grins limbs. I mean that's just insane But she did it okay. So we're talking about somebody. That was a five time grand champion. She is one of the best players of all time she will be in the Tennis Fall Hall of fame And she is somebody who her her style her her scream on the court when she's hitting the tennis ball. It's all conic right. She is somebody who fought and just just never gave up on court She she never gave an inch When she was out there she fought for everything all the time. And that's the defining characteristic about Maria Sharapova career and I admire that she worked so hard to be in great shape physical shape. I mean she did everything she could out there every single match all the time to win and yeah she lost and sometimes you know what she lost badly but she never gave up and I think that that is something that everybody should applaud. Now is for her demeanor. She was somebody that was kind of known as the Ice Queen. Let's face it as she wasn't the apparently all that friendly with the other players in the locker room She said point blank in the past that she never came into tennis to make friends. She came there to win. She came there to win. Grand Slams and win titles and all of that to achieve for dreams. What Fair enough But I want to come back to that point here Because that factors into another bit of discussion later on but you know giving back for in her achievements there's also a giant what if about Sharipova career so if you're back to two thousand eight. She wins the Australian Open. And I don't remember exactly when it happened. But but she she suffered a shoulder injury and it was it was. It was bad enough that it affected her. You know in in tournaments generally so she she has this rotator cuff tear issue that They discover right and turns out to. She'd been playing with the the issue since April and they have her undergo surgery to repair it right. And here's the thing In a she she has the surgery she comes back she has. You know. Intermittent success Then she ends up having Additional issues right and has done go another soul shoulder surgery rehabilitation and she really struggles with with her form right And and to a certain extent for all I think the success that Maria Sharapova would have throughout the rest of a career. I've always wondered whether what live always wondered what her career would have been like had that shoulder issue never cropped up if she had never had it occur if he didn't require obviously then the surgery. And then you know. She had to go undergo rehabilitation. Her serve was never the same. I'm telling you that ran. A her serve was never the same and she had these really like terrible You know stretches of her career where she would go into matches and have more double false than she would have aces. Sometimes by a wide margin you would look at whether she wanna she lost. I mean there was times you would look at the stat sheet and you'd see you know aces You know five double faults fourteen or double-faults eighteen twenty. You know is crazy. Sometimes you couldn't believe the amount of double faults that that she would. Have you know in her in her career and she had you know like multiple surgeries? You know two thousand thirteen a third shoulder surgery and again it's like the multiple surgeries on the shoulder. And it just would. Sometimes they would exacerbate that double-faults issue now look. She came back the first time right she. She got back into the top ten. She ended up. You know winning game back to number one. She won Olympic silver. I mean it's not like she came back and was never able to get back into form it you know. She was also at that time in her early to mid twenties right and it's a lot easier at any player. You know male or female to just be able to kind of shake that off a little bit and yet still be able to go out and achieve great things and when you get older and you start having their shoulder surgeries or any surgery It takes more torn your body and you can't recover quickly and it just more issues crop up and so I guess my big question my big. What if for for Sharapova is what if the shoulder issues never happened right and you can throw this out any player right. Even any of the greats From any era. And just what if this didn't happen but if those shoulder issues didn't crop up? I wonder if Sharapova would have been a much better player. I wonder if because that's served would have been the old serve the survey that was very dangerous It was consistent right. She had a really good consistent. Serve I mean it was. Maybe it wasn't Sharipova Sir. But you know what it was. It was a fearsome weapon and then not occurred. I think maybe her career is is even better than we know what to be now. And maybe doesn't go on that. Epic Losing Streak Against Serena because maybe that serve is a weapon that Windsor. Some points that ends up resulting in a match win. You know it's it's one of those things you know and again you get into the what if game and I know it's like it's a big rabbit hole right but there you go. It's just still. It's it's it's something that you have to think about. She goes on. She wins the two. Berlin garris titles. I remember watching this thinking. I couldn't believe what I was seeing this. You know she would call herself a cow on ice you know. She hated clay. It was not her service and yet she found a way to change her style in her game. Just enough to win Roland Garros twice the first time honestly. I think I was more stunned by the second time than I was the first time first time I thought. Wow can maybe. She's went on a great run of form there and she just found a way to get it done and then she goes and she does it two years later and I. I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. Okay so in terms of her career. Look it's a wonderful career it's it's a career that. I think if you look her first few years right. It was just success after success Wimbledon at seventeen the US Open champion in nineteen Australian Open. Champion like twenty one years old. Okay you know. By the time she was twenty one she was a three time. Grand Slam champion. And that's what I say. When you know jumping ahead you know from two thousand eight for the next twelve years of her career shoot when only and I say this but only two grandsons tables. Both the French Open. She went another wooden. She didn't win another hard court. Grand Slam title. So it's one of those things where I look at her first few years and I think that was the best of her career. Not What is in part because of the results obviously but also because that was pre injury pre injury she went three Grand Slam titles by the age of twenty one post shoulder injury shoe onto. And it's great that you want to and it's an amazing achievement. But that's in in twelve years. I mean even if you just go to when she was suspended okay. That is what she was suspended. What seven years later? Years later After she on the Australian Open in two thousand eight I mean she should have one more than two Grand Slam. Titles she had that talent is just that all those shoulder issues ended up really played in her career. So let's talk about the suspension So Sharapova apparently had been taken this militarism For about a decade right Apparently there was some kind of heart issue or something I believe. If I'm not mistaken I could be wrong there. But there was a reason that she was taking it And the thing is it was. It ended up being put on the banned substances list because they determined that the Melatonin was a performance enhancing drug that increased blood flow which in turn increase the amount of oxygen. The blood cells would carry it. Basically just made it so that the athletes could just have a higher level of endurance matches and just in general right In for a lot of people people that I talked to they said well. You know. Someone like Sharapova. You're tall long loomed in these big long rallies something like Melatonin would help you and Chirp but it would help any player in a what it would help any player whether whoever it is But certainly I think it would help somebody that might be able to go another five six seven shots beyond what they might go without Melatonin. But we don't know that for sure you know we don't we don't really know and I think that that that's suspicion is GonNa put a lot of people off now. She was informed apparently by letter by email that this Madani was going to go on the list And a failed to adhere to it. You know We get to stop at the end of every season learning players if there's any any substances which have been added it's their job to check it. They didn't or something like that. I guess they didn't properly check to see if anything but added that they were taking and resulting in her suspension. And look at again. I know you know what do you do here? Do you invalidate her entire career or do invalidate the last ten years of her career If you back to two thousand sixty say well you know. She's been taking this since basically two thousand six or so five something like that and you then invalidate all for wins. Well no you can't because First off Stuff was not banned at the time right so look I mean they were taking it It wasn't banned. And that's it end of story so I don't look for current go well you know? She was taking Melatonin and It had these beneficial effects so therefore she doesn't deserve to win two one the five Grand Slam titles that she one is. It's not. It's not something that I can do. Some people have a different viewpoint. Fine but look at it as hey they were taking something Maybe they found out additional benefits to it. Maybe they didn't I don't know Maybe there was an underlying health condition. Maybe there wasn't again I don't know and we have no proof if they say that there was an underlying medical condition and they were taking the melody for it. We can't go while you're lying. Of course you lying. It's you only really took because of these benefits. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't I don't know. And the fact is nobody really knows okay. So except for Sharapova and her team. That's IT YOU. WanNa take the cynical point of view and you WanNa just WANNA save they. They were taking it and help out and they realized it or they knew before they even started taking it. And it's the thing that helped to win all these titles in Grand Slams and make all this money fine take the cynical point of view. I get it but I choose to look at it more. I think when I consider to be more of a realist which is acknowledged the fact that there's just as much of a chance that the the they found out about the additional benefits while also having taking it having taken the Melda neom for legitimate purposes. It wasn't illegal. They didn't I mean they listed it. It was something that I believe. They have to let the The tennis tennis governing body know about the World Anti Doping Agency. They all know about this stuff. They get a list of the things that the players are taking. Nobody raised any objections. As far as I know and it wasn't put on that banned substances list until the end of two hundred twelve at the end of Twenty Fifteen. And that's when she continued to take it maybe she didn't realize it was a problem that she didn't realize that it was on the list and then she tested positive at the Australian Open and she made the finals remember that she made the finals. She lost his Serena Williams in straight sets and Yeah it's the furthest she would get For the rest of a career in a in a grand slam again you can say well. Gee Yes she was still taking the melody. Of course you know. She was suspended for two years. It was reduced for five to fifteen months. And she comes back in. The fact is folks Regardless of whether you feel it was the lack of Melatonin at that point or was just A lot of the injury issues or it was being away from us two years and what that can do in terms of like the momentum that your career is or lack of momentum. That's all this is all things that you can point to right. But she was never I think she was never the same when she came back She had a quarter of our final run at Roland Garros. But beyond that she really didn't do a whole lot She she won a small tournament That was issue on one small tournament. in was twenty while late. Well yeah there was like twenty seventeen yell legally twenty seventeen. I think she wanNA tournament or something. That was it. One little tournament is tiny one like two fifty event And that's it that that's her. That was for suspension and it was warranted. I think You can argue whether or not you felt. She got off light or the suspension was too much. So look I mean I said I'll just say this The suspension was terrible. Right you're in the latter part of your twenty s right you're entering into. I would say the the last bit of your prime. I think as a as a player male or female you start hitting your leader it. You're hitting the best years of your career at the highest level Are Starting to go away. And she lost time because of it But if you asked me without the shoulder injury how many grant slim's I think she would have won. I honestly think that out the shoulder issues without the surgery without all the stopped all the problems with the the shoulder issues. The started in two thousand seven. Maybe two thousand eight All the issues that kind of issue caused her. I think she probably honestly is in the ten to twelve Grand Slam range. I think she wins another say six Grand Slam titles in her career because I think without the shoulder issue. She doesn't lose confidence in her game. she her serve is still a big weapon Because when her when her sherve was not working her gain fell apart. She wasn't confident. Because they're served issue would make double-faults. She would make a lot of mistakes with hitting double-faults and then made her Thrust of a game. Wobbly she would try to overcompensate and be more aggressive than she would kind of just it was just her beating yourself you know throughout her entire game because of it so yeah in in look. She was not somebody that provoked. I think a lot of admiration outside of how she played on the court. She was there to make friends as she said and I was a little surprised honestly when she announced her retirement how little I read online How people across tennis I mean when I say that I mean players really came out and said something on twitter or wrote articles or something kind of saying. Oh you know it's tragic. A Sharapova is retiring what a great player et Cetera et Cetera. You saw some obviously. Novak came out. Rod Rafa Said something Days later Billie Jean King System Wonderful Things. But it's kind of amazing how many players current players on tour or recently retired players. That played with her Didn't really have much to say. And it's sad it really is It's a it's a weird thing because on one hand you're all there to try to win grant titles and some are more motivated to do that than others. Some have more belief in themselves that they're going to win Grand Samson others do Some WanNa do all that but have wonderful friendships on tour. Some players. Don't feel like they can do that if they have a lot of friends on tour and I think Sharipova was one of them. Downside to that. Is that a lot of players simply aren't going to feel really bad for you. I guess when that day comes and also the Caledonian thing probably didn't help anything. Nothing a lot of players weren't happy when she came back. There was just tournaments. Were just giving her wildcards left and right players not happy that they you know somebody who was found to have taken something that they shouldn't have at that point was illegal. They were suspended. They came back and all of a sudden. You know tournaments were giving out loud court wildcards to her the candy and I think there were a lot of players that didn't like that and so I don't know there's a lot that thing is wrapped up into not having a big reaction to her retirement and I think that It's sad it is. I mean you know they should come out and say hey look shoes player very competitive never gave up and and obviously a lot in her career. But it's it's complicated and there's a lot of reasons. It's not one or two specific reasons. I think there's a lot of different reasons for why players a lot of players coming out and saying you know a lot of wonderful things as they do to a lot of players especially Grand Slam champions and all time greats They tend to get that treatment. So it's just a sad thing for me. I guess this kind of sum everything up. Maria Sharapova is a phenomenal tennis player. And she's one of the all time greats I'm satisfied ago because I love the way that she competed. She won a lot in her career. And she won tournaments. I never thought that she would win. In one tournament in particular she won twice in Roland. Garros I wonder what her career would have been without the shoulder issues I think a lot of people do including herself but either way whether you know you admire her or it's more complicated or whatever I still think it's sad that time. Great his left the game All right so. Let's move on to set three which is briefly talk about the Corona virus and wells. So this morning. I'm sitting at work and Friend of mine who I kind of got into tennis Years back stood up and said I can't believe it. They just canceled Indian Wells so of course I hop on to the Internet and I you know checking everything out reading quickly The news that has come out and the reasons behind it and the press release. All of it and I was stunned. I wasn't after a moment of thinking wasn't surprised right but in the moment I was just like. Are you kidding me? They just canceled Indian Wells and they did and I totally get why. Some people think they're over reacting. There are players that are unhappy about it. They're players on happy that they found out on twitter instead of being notified in other ways But whether you think that they took the appropriate actions or you think they are jumping the gun a bit. I do think it is understandable. Why they're doing it and the must feel that beneath the news that we know that they are finding out some additional information. This is my guest by the way that they are finding out some additional information might make them feel that. This is the best thing for everybody. They are not going to cancel this tourneys. One of biggest tournaments in the world. It's it's it's known as the fifth slam by a lot of people because it's just considered to be the biggest tournament on in tennis outside of the Grand Slams In is often listed as the favorite tournament by a lot of players male and female in the tennis world They love it there. And I'm sad that in like an AC- players playing there but I understand that this is something that they feel is necessary because in a week's time the corona virus could be spread a lot more than it currently is and we just don't know what the what the virus is. GonNa look like in a week. We don't know what's GonNa look like in ten days and if people come to the tournament in the contract con- yeah contract here and then you know because of the close proximity to a lot of people they ended up spreading it and then it goes to other parts of the country in the world. It's going to be as resolved least impart because Indian Wells was going on and I think they wanna avoid that at all costs so this I think is the right decision. All Things considered now I do think again. I think that Miami could be cancelled and look after that. I don't know right After Miami There there's some small events I think that are played but by and large the the next biggest event is Monte Carlo and I think it's too far out to do anything here. But look if this virus is something that sticks around if it spreads across the world more so than it is even now then. We don't know what this landscape is. GonNa look like. We don't know what tennis is. GonNa look like over the next few months. I mean I hate to say it but we don't know whether or not there's going to be a Roland Garros or a Wimbledon now. I think it's again. It's a little too far out even really speculate much on that because look in three or four weeks. This virus May by and large gone right. It may be Taking kind of taking care of it. You know people you know. Get the the guest. There are no vaccines. I guess I'm not really GONNA be vaccines for like a year or something so again. This is a problem Because unless they can find a way to mitigate the the issues and the amount of people that have contracted the virus and the spread and everything else. Nobody's GonNa want to go to tournaments and get the colonel virus and spread it elsewhere and they could be a situation where they might get it under control from a worldwide standpoint. And then you know you go to Roland Garros and Wimbledon which only weeks apart and through those two tournaments it could spread again for the world in you could just kind of spread it and continue spreading it from all these. Sporting events is not just tennis but it's it's sporting events all over the world from a variety of sports It's a scary thing Scary Times that we're living in here right now and with a virus that's spreading without you know having a person's shoe symptoms that's frightening so. Indian wells is cancelled and I'm sad to see it go for this year but I think it's the right decision again. Sixty forty as of this moment as of this recording. I think it's a sixty forty chance. That Miami Open gets cancelled as well Days from now it could go up but for now. I'm seeing sixty forty and I won't be surprised if it does happen so anyway again. I'm sorry guys. listeners that I haven't had a Episode out in quite some time but you know it. Part of it was just me Things got in the way life happens but at the same time I also understand that. That's not an excuse. You Guys WanNa hear you guys. WanNa hear what I have to say about tennis? Okay And there's one other thing too. I WANNA get to before I in this podcast so I did get some feedback from the last episode and there was a player. It district open on the women's side. That I you know I think even said the episode that I was going to butcher her name because I just didn't know how to pronounce it and hadn't really checked to see how it was. Announced did get some feedback for that from a listener named emily and she did She sent me a link which was for youtube and it was how to pronounce the tennis. Put His name and so I want to get this correct it but this is the way you pronounce it because I want to make sure that she knows that I did get her email. Thank you very much. Emily for sending that in But the way you pronounce Tennis players name is Shay. Sue and I again I. I'm pretty sure member yet. That was butchered pretty badly by me but yeah so I wanna make sure that Emily knows that did get the email. Thank you very much. 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Sofia Kenin Wins!  2020 Australian Open Womens Finals Review

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48:01 min | 1 year ago

Sofia Kenin Wins! 2020 Australian Open Womens Finals Review

"And be kidding me. Stop Liberty and welcome back to another episode of the PODCAST HOSTS. Michael and I decided to split up the whole finals Episode this time and it could be the same thing forward Like I said in my last couple of episodes now that I have this microphone that I can record when I'm out and about I should be able to get recordings done even when I'm not at home so I'm a home now of course As you probably tell I mean I guess you couldn't tell unless you hear the sound quality of My newer Microphone that I can take with me but I am at home and I'm according and I wanted to get this episode out because One it's going to make things easier for me tomorrow because I'm not GonNa be at home and I again. I'm still trying to get the episode out tomorrow if I can. I'M NOT GONNA make any promises but at worst it will be out. Monday So in order to do that I'm going to actually take this episode simply going to focus in on the women's final That we experienced today and I watched everything And so you know it's it's It was a fantastic match. It was a brilliant. I loved every minute of it and it is a final that you know it's It's a final that if you look at it just based on the score you think. Wow this is a this is a good match And it was a good match. But the the way the match kind of Ebbs and flows of the match for each player the way things went. was just really interesting to watch and I want to get into that but before I really get into any of the stats and talking about that. Let me just give you my broad observations when it when it comes to this this match For me Severe Kenan has been overlooked. Right I mean she. She has been a. She's been overlooked by a lot of tennis. Fans She's been overlooked by reporters The media in general. Look there's only so much oxygen in the tennis world in it's It's taken up by you know prodigies that everyone has been talking about and for good reason but severe. Kenan has been in the background for some time now Cocoa Gov who you know deserves a ton of praise obviously Has Been Getting a lot of attention over the last year and a half or so And so have others on tour other young up and comers I'm and Anisimov is a good example of somebody. That's gotten a lot of attention as well but severe Canon has not and you can tell this. She is someone that plays with a chip on her shoulder. She plays with such intensity that you can tell that bothers her so i WanNa kind of compare her to another player a player that you know well at this point and that would be Medvedev right so on on on the men's side so a Medvedev is kind of like Kenan right. I mean everybody knows Medvedev now because of that you know. Brilliant run that. He went on in the summer hard court season last year. In all the way through to you know the ATP finals and as I feel like the very similar and both players have not been talked about. Medvedev was never a top junior. A cannon was a very very good junior. She was so it's not like as long as she came out of juniors and she didn't have any you know she wasn't herald in any way like people knew who she was. And there's a lot of great stories about her growing up in everything You know that she was able to to hit around with a lot of of great tennis. Pros You know ten years ago fifteen years ago when she was a little girl she's hitting around with like players like Roddick and you know it's It kind of reminds me of Andre Agassi in his book how he was hitting around with board in in Connors and other players You Agassi's father would kind of just get players to hit around with him and That kind of got him exposed to the whole tennis scene and I think that happened with Cannon as well but Kevin and Medvedev are similar in that They've been overlooked. Medvedev was never one of the top juniors players he he didn't win the Grand Slams. He wasn't talked about in the way that other players around his age have been talked about Everybody was talking about the curiouser. We're talking about In in rightfully so I mean. There's there's a ton of talent there but inevitably both of these players have kind of I. Don't I guess falling through the cracks? Kind of maybe a little too dramatic here but but they've been overlooked. You know they just. Nobody really thought they were going to do the things that they've done. Thus far and I'm evidence has not won. A Grand Slam by Canon has so occur. Bring this up because it wasn't interesting symmetry you know between these two players One of the men's side on the women's side and But the cannon to me is someone who just plays with a fire in intensity that I I honestly You know people have compared the intensity and the doll In that's certainly understandable right. She does have a short term memory thing when it comes to playing. She may get angry in a moment. But then she just refocuses and concentrates on the point hand and That is definitely true. There's a lot of fire. There's a lot of intensity like Nidal But she's more expressive. I think in a way that Nidal isn't any dollars expressive by the way but she's expressive all the time Whether she's angry for missing shot or she's fired up pumped up pushy. Hit a great shot. It's it's you always see her emotions out there. She wears her emotions. You know on her sleeve I mean you can see them all the time and there is There's like this She holds herself to a certain standard. She expects a lot of herself and she doesn't make it easy on herself. It's weird some some players when they do that. Can Self destruct? They can combust Players like Andy. Murray for example was somebody who did that for a long time. He do it as much anymore. But if you go back up until he about the time he hit it or he won his first. Grand Slam Prior to that he was someone. That would self destruct on court. He will get angry. He would yellow box still. Does that sometimes But he did a lot more frequently. Look at John McEnroe He. He's the poster child for for all of that. You know Getting angry on court A perfectionist Trying to to kind of control. His emotions was impossible but with with Kenan she is able to show you the positive and the negative that's going on with her but regardless of whether it's negative or positive she is able to get it out. Here's a second of it in and boom. We're going to go back into the match and I think that that is fantastic. I love the fact that she does that. But it's the intensity every single point and it's not just that there is a the way in which she conducts herself for some people it might come across as Abrasive She she slammed her tennis ball. Numerous times throughout the match In if you didn't know the score you would think she was losing because you know when she slams the ball you're thinking wow you know you really angry but it's it was emphatic. It was sending a message in the fact that she sends a message. All of the time across the the the net to to their opponent and sending a message. Someone like Maruta is not easy. Mcgrew as he very talented You know intense player herself but Kennedy was the one that was kind of setting the temperature out there on the court for the entire match in. That's not easy to do in Kenan can do that. She is constantly I. In my opinion she is constantly saying to her opponent. Bring it. I'm ready. Bring it be. I'm GonNa Destroy you and yes. I believe I'm going to do that. And I don't care whether you like it or not. I don't care whether you like the fact that I'm saying I'm going to do it and I'm going to say it in. Here's me telling you that right now and tell you that every single point through the entire much and into to do that is not easy for a lot of players to believe that is even harder. The have that belief in yourself is in admirable quality and I think that that is partially what got Kenan the wind today because she was constantly sending the message across to move throughout the entire even even in the first set and even after she lost the first set she regrouped and she was able to just continue to put pressure all the time. You know screaming leading leading ruth and know when she hit a great shot ensuring her opponent that she knew that she was going to win the match. And in just hearing. You know. If you're Moog Reuther you're you see down the line rocket winner by. Kenan followed up by a scream. You know all the time it it gets to you. It starts starts to make you feel pressure in a way that maybe you don't feel against other players I it it's almost Sharipova. Ask which was something else Another person told me. Which is that. Sharapova would was kind of like that too but Kenan's more expressive a lot more expressive and in more often in a way that Sherpa of even Sharipova is not so if we look at this match to me. It's a combination of Kenan in her. Excellent play on the court. Her attitude out there and the way she was able to kind of chip away at Mugabe Ruth was dominance on the court in the first set. Well Okay dominance is probably. Isn't the right word. Her Middle Ruth was more forceful from a personality standpoint in the first set but Kenan turn the tide and she played better in. That is kind of what allowed that that change to happen was Kenan play better and she kind of got into McGrath head. A little bit an immigrant. The had a little bit of a back issue In the later of the second set you could see there was maybe a little tightness there. Maybe a little soreness. She has played a lot of tennis But nevertheless it is just a I think a fantastic effort by Kenan. That she was able to do is losing the first set. It doesn't normally result in winning the match for the player who's lost it especially in the women's side. 'cause you play best of three you down a set you know halfway there already It's a little easier in the men's side. You can lose the first set and still come back and win. I think easier so if we look at the how did we get here basically So basically how you know. What was the path of the final for both of these players? Before I get into talking about more about the match okay so force if Kenan in the first round she played Martinez Trevisan and the second round she played and Lee and in the third round. It was Let's see who was that. It was oh sweet Zang. And after that she played Coco Goth. Which was obviously. It was a huge win for her. Because a coca gov won the first set but she really dominated in the second and the third Her previous matches Rawal straight-sets victories and then she went and had a straight-sets victory over Andrzej. Bor before winning the semifinals. Obviously the biggest match I think of her career up to that point with a win over Ashleigh Barty and That is kind of her path to the final. She ended up playing the number one player in the world. And Ashley Barty. She ended up Playing Cuckoo Goff. Would you know obviously Coco's fifteen but CUCKOO's taken out some some good players in the past year or so And then a Jabbour was playing very well herself so you know. I think she had a solid. You know path to the final in a she had to. She had to play some good players at times You know I'm not saying these players aren't good at all but You know Coca Goff and probably a while obviously actually Baris. The biggest one cocoa Jabbour was was playing good at the time she had she had a solid. You know Stable of players in front of her that she had to defeat to get to the final Whereas Gabino Maruta had a absolute just gauntlet. I mean that's the only the only way I can describe Maruta in her path to the final. I mean she played Shelby Rogers in the first round and shelby. Rogers got a lot of power behind her so that that was. That was a three center She played Anya. Tomjanovich and I was another three center in the second round She dismantled Lena's for the Lena. The fifth seed in the third round fourth round. She took out Ninth seed key Burton's also. There was a straight-sets as well as Lena in the quarterfinals. She defeated Honest Asia public chunk of a Seven five six three and then took out Simona Halep in the semis in in straight-sets with a seven six seven five scoreline This is and this is an absolute gotland. There wasn't a single a single match that I would consider to be easy. I mean shelby Rogers. I mean she's played very well In the past She can belt the ball And Come Tom Jonah. Vich was was playing. Well she's a solid player. But when you go elitist fiddling at key Burton's probably a chunk of antimony help just to get to the final. I mean that is a fantastic run. I mean that. And here's the thing. What soap partially beyond. Just the fact that she played what let's see Three three matches against top ten players. Okay or at least top-ten seeds in the tournament Fiddle Lena Burton's help. I mean that right there without even poly tank of a is a really good player. And she's playing extraordinary tennis going into that match against Maruta but that's unbelievable. As a huge gotland of top shelf players to get through and she did all of it in straight-sets so from the third round to the final she defeated everybody in straight-sets that is fantastic is not easy to defeat those players to do without dropping. A set is extraordinary This is definitely the best tennis that I've seen mood with a play in several years and So clearly if you're looking at the players had the hardest. Straw I mean this. Is Stephen a this? Isn't even a fair comparison? Now Look Kenan does have anything to apologize for. You know getting the file on. That's all she needs to do. You know who's in front of hers? Who's in front of her She was unseeded. Shoes almost always going to have a more difficult draw. Then Kenan I mean yes can in could've had difficult drought if some players hadn't lost along the way but when you're unseeded you're more often than not unless things break just perfectly for you. You have a tough draw And that's exactly what happened with Megan Reuther so if we look at the match itself so Moore Ruth a tough draw gets the final severe cannon Has a solid drug gets to the final. And let's look at these stats alright. So I'm going to talk about the stats for the match and then I'm GonNa look at the stats and talk about each set so for the match Kenan had two aces and McGrath ahead. Nine double-faults cannon had no double faults and here's the Big One folks because this is this is something that the McGrath is GonNa look back on. And she's going to lament. She had eight double faults and is not just the fact that she had eight double faults is the fact that a lot of those double faults came the absolute worst. Time in the match to double-fault It was we're talking with the final game of the match. And we'll talk about that in a while. But I mean double-faulting it's not just them but I mean there are other points in the match but she double-faulted in she is just really really hurt her for the match Seventy four percent for serve in for cannon fifty seven from the win on first-serve seventy four from sixty four percent for Kenan. And here's the big one. On second serve Kenan one sixty five percent of her second serves fifteen to twenty three whereas McGrath one thirty one percent. She was eleven of thirty five. That was a really big liability for her And a lot of that. Obviously eight double faults. is contribute significantly to the fact that she had a thirty one percent went on on second. Serve breakpoints one. Here's another big one cannon. Five of six near-perfect five of six break points. She got a break point opportunity. She almost was. She took care of it she. She took advantage of the break point chances that she had whereas Maruta was two of twelve to twelve Another big big deal is basically. Kenan was able to save break point opportunities whenever they presented themselves because of A combination of her bold play. And maybe Muga Ruth Just not taking advantage of the opportunities. But but cannon really played boldly in those moments. The biggest moments are the ones where she played the best Winners Twenty eight four. Kenan and thirty two mcgrew twenty three and four stairs for Kenan forty five from route. Aretha so Formiga RUTH OF ATAS. A what a minus thirteen winners two unforced errors whereas. Kenan was a plus five and total points. One Ninety two for cannon and seventy seven four Maruta all right. Let's let's Kinda drill down into the set once who mcgrew wins this set right and She won this set impart because of the fact that she came out of the gate playing excellent tennis. Kevin was a little nervous. A little shaky Early on in this match She played not terribly but she wasn't yet really fully into the match and Mughal. Ruta was the one is able to break her early In then Mugabe Curve. Kenan had a game where it was four to Muga Ruth and I believe it was love forty on Kenan serve and she was able to go from love forty two holding serve and she played just some absolute top shelf. Tennis in those moments to save the break point opportunities mcgrew had and then can turn around and broke Maruta. Because I'm assuming mcgrew was just furious over the fact that She was able to break in that in that moment and then it was four all and unfortunately Maruta she held in. Then you know she. She broke erm sorry Maruta broke Kenan. So Kennan Broke McGrath A and it was it was four all and then McGrath attorney and just broke back and then served for for the set But overall the difference in this set was two points Moog Ruth and one thirty nine Kenan one thirty seven mcgrew. Three aces can can have zero But also had four double faults Maruta had fifteen winners two cannons nine. And can had fifteen unforced. Errors to seventeen unforced errors from so minus two four mcgrew and Minus six for Kenan so again Kenan. Uddin play terribly but Mugabe She just was a little cleaner with game She didn't make is While she made more unforced errors technically but she also hit more winners and McGrath. Also hit some aces especially early on when Ken was trying to break her early in the match And and got out of some sticky situations with some big aces off. You're going to set to. This is where things began to change so set to move to aces. Can it had one? There was no double faults here so that was good for Miguel Rufa but the problem is moved. Ruth was only forty three percent in terms of first serve percentage in whereas. Ken was seventy four percent and that was big because it gave a gave. Henin the opportunity to hit the second serve from Ruth. Ruth was six of twelve fifty percent win on Von second-serve whereas Kenan was one hundred percent. She was five and five in terms of winners they were tied at eight winners apiece. But here's the big thing Unforced errors mcgrew had eleven unforced errors. Kenan only four plus four winners airs for Kenan whereas Mood Ruth who was minus three. So right there and a lot of ways. Kind of tells you How this how this set was won by Kenan. She wanted by playing a cleaner game. She didn't make as many errors and Muraoka was wasn't able to get her first serve in is easily there. Was that little bit of back tightness. We did see that on TV. You know she car trainer out. There was no treatment technically. They did rub her back for thirty seconds. Maybe right before she was supposed to go back out on court but there was no treatment so so maybe there was some tightness. Maybe a little soreness there. it certainly seemed to affect her in the latter stages of that second set but overall still It just came down to the fact that Kennan Played a cleaner set as as compared to set one whereas Maruta played a I WANNA say sloppier set. But she wasn't as sharp in her first. Serve percentage was down so that is why. Kennon won the set to set three three. This was to a certain extent. This was a tighter set. But in in if you look at the score doesn't feel that way but McGrath did play better. Mcgrath had four aces. Shaw had four double faults. And we'll get to that in the second. Canon had one ace no double faults and I serve in that was sixty four percent from seventy two percent for Kenan wintom. I serve Seventy two percent sixty seven percent for Kenan. So right there tells you. The McGrath was was serving better and winning on her. First serve more often in the third set. Now here's where the problem is In this partially has to do with double-faults so this does factor into it But went on second serve. Mcgrath was to ten whereas Kenan was five seven and Look at winners nine winners. For Mutharika seventeen unforced errors from mcgrew whereas Kenan had eleven winners. In only four unforced errors. So again you have a plus seven winners to errors for Kenan and you had a minus eight from Rutta In total points. One thirty to twenty three for Kenan. But here's the big thing all right so let me talk about the biggest moment in the entire match okay. So severe cannon was down Love Forty Honors survey was to all in the third set and it looked like it looked like this was going to be. The moment are right from the start. Yeah Yeah This look like he was going to be the moment for Formiga Reuther. And that's when cannon had what I can only describe is one of the best from that point one of the best games I've ever seen Male or female because she didn't rely on an error from her opponent on any of the points that she won she had to backhand winners to forehand winners in an ace to hold serve. That is amazing folks. It I mean that is is truly amazing to be able to do that and so you know you have to understand. I mean this this this game was in a Lotta ways. The reason why she won this match One Hand you know it's too all If if she gets broken they're a candidate for certain that Kenan wouldn't just turn around and break right back so I'm like I sit and pretend that I'm going to guarantee that she doesn't still win this match. But there's good reason to believe that had McGrath Broken Kenan in that moment Shit did Megan. Reuther probably with good chance you she would have held. She would have taken that. Momentum ran with it because she was playing well. Let me let me say this tape. And we'll tell you this Moog ruether. Did up play poorly in this set. She really didn't in in that game wherever she was at at you know or Kennedy. Was It love forty all those points that Kenan one they were not played poorly by Moog Ruth? In fact Muga Ruth played extraordinary. Tennis in those points is just that cannon was able to lift her game in those moments you know she hit sharp Cross Cross Court backhands. She hit a running. You know down. The line forehand winner which forehand is her weakest wing and she hit hit a screaming. You know down the line forehand winner on one of those one of those shots She hit an ace out wide It was just. It was an extraordinary display of mental toughness willpower and just raising her game another notch because it required it. And that's that's champion stuff folks champion mentality rate there In that goes to the heart of what I was saying earlier. Kenan has a short term memory thing. She doesn't remember she doesn't care about what happened in the last point. I'm not saying that she never gets tight. And NOT SAYING THAT YIELD. Something might not rear up in a bad moment for her but more often than not positive or negative. She is not thinking about what just happened. You know thirty seconds ago. It's what do I have to do now in this moment in this point and you know so when people compare it into doll in that aspect. It's it's true and it's not just an adult Roger Novak. I mean they all have a similar mentality up but it's been a very well known for it but that game was why Canon won this match. It's not just because she held it kept Muga Reuther from grabbing the momentum because she was playing well she was starting to kind of push. 'em You know when you're in love forty and she was love forty because Mugabe Ruth played well in those three points preceding. The five point stretch that Ken went on that allowed her to secure the hold Serve and then you know after that. Kenan broke Maruta if I'm not mistaken. I believe she hit a double fault to do the the first break that she had And again that's just double double faulting the worst possible time you know so again. It's not just about the fact that Mugabe Ruth you know. Double-faulted is the fact that she double-faulted in this match. Almost all of our faults were at the worst time is I was on Breakpoint for her you know and she would double fault and there you go happened in the second set. It happened in the initial break here. In the in the third set so with this break Cannon was OP For two she then she then held serve and then Maruta and you know she. She double-faulted three times three times in four points to to give this to Kenan. I mean it was not a pretty sight but to double-fault three out of four points is terrible. This is what is he going to say about it. You don't want to double-fault wants is bad enough but the double-fault three times in the final game of Any match but definitely a grand slam is not good. No no no one likes to see you know a double fault on match point. It's happened before but it's never fun to see. You don't WanNa see ended double-fault it just but it did and those double faults to a certain extent in also the just unbelievable game by Kenan at two. All in the third set I would argue. Those are the reasons why can in one this I mean. Obviously you know not just that can in played great tennis. Maruta played some really great tennis at times as well. They both had their moments too shaky moments. Cannon was a little shaky out of the gate the first few games in then Maruta was A little shaky In in the middle portion of that second set and that's when cannon played really well all throughout I think that set And then the third set after cannon has that unbelievable game it kind of falls apart for Megan Reuther In yes were there some physical issues? Possibly right I mean it's possible that she had back issue of some kind or flared up at some point But you can't worry about that and and that's certainly nothing that can can control and I'll tell you what to be honest with you. I I did think this she looked like things were tight. Little Sore In the second set it. Hey what in the third set? She looked fine to be honest with you She may be. Maybe double faults. Were a product of that. I don't know but she got a second wind may be adrenaline. Got Going again. And you know when the adrenals going. You're paying kind of disappears and she seemed to be playing really well and she was playing really well You know to get to love forty on Kenan. Serve Duty Your play It just took something extraordinary out of Kenan to not allow McGrath a break and I think when Kennan held there it kind of broke. Mcgrath is spirit now. She didn't try after as long as she. Just you know imploded but I think kind of broker spirit a bit and you can see the leg starting to get a little heavier after that. It's like if she had. She had a great effort there. If she had broken cannon I think she could road that to victory but she didn't so severe cannon. What twenty years old thing? Twenty twenty one years old. She's She's a player that nobody was talking about but now everybody knows who she is. So the player that has you know been probably thinking. Hey I'm being overlooked here. There are not your. She's not being overlooked anymore. Is Now the two thousand twenty Australian Open champion? She is a Grand Slam. Champion and one of the things that Alexia much about Kenan is that she's hungry. She is a ravenous folks for these matches. She's Ravenous for competition. She's ravenous for Grand Slam. Titles she has dreamt of this since she was a little girl. And it kind of reminds me of Jeannie Bouchard her number. Genie remember when Jeanie had that. Great season She was beating everybody left. And right she was making it. To the finals of Grand Slams Genie's army had formed. Everybody was just you know so excited to see her out there Doing so well you know Canadian and I. I was one of those people. I thought this is great. She seems to have this kind of somewhat. High Risk Brand of tennis but Sharipova like and I thought she could possibly go on to do some really great things. didn't happen But I remember her commenting that and I believe it was right before the Wimbledon final. I think but she was talking about how she was impatient to win a Grand Slam. She does the she shouldn't apologize for wanting to win it. Now that the idea of like waiting her turn or something just was absurd and I liked that because it showed that she really really wanted it. Things haven't worked out all that well for genie Since then and it's I'm not trying to attack her by the way. Just the obvious right. I mean she hasn't like that was a really great season for her. She kind of faded a bit down the stretch that year And then but after that she just could never really back up those results in in she. Hasn't I mean BA- folks? She's really done a whole lot since then I hope she does. I'd like to see her do it? I like to see a win. A Grand Slam But she has really done a whole lot and I just I say this because Kennon is like that in that she is upfront about what she wants. She makes no apologies for what she wants. You know makes no apologies for the dreams that has She makes no apologies for showing how much she wants it on court every moment every point of a match And she makes sure she has no Paul Policies for letting her opponent know just how much she wants it and how invested and how much she's you know. Got Her claws into the match in in that she's you know she's GonNa lose. You'RE GONNA have to rip that victory out of her hands in San. Tell you that the canons never gonNA lose a match again or anything. Obviously she will. There's going to be players. They're going to be able to beat her in. May Be sometimes handley. Who knows but Kenan will never give you a victory. She whenever never give you a point? she will fight in scrap for every point out there and I think that wears players down mentally like you know like Nidal in like Djokovic and other players were They can grind you down. They can wear you down because at some point the mental exertion that to know that you have to try to stay with them point to point like that when they will be invested in every single point gets to you so look. Kenan is a great story here. She's a really good player In congratulations to the for a great run here. I'm glad to see that she's She's kind of back again and that you know I know. She didn't go anywhere but She's playing really good tennis again. she's already beaten more top ten players in this tournament than she did. All of last year Because she looked last per year and a half two years. She's looked kind of like a shell of her former self. You know she's too good of a player to be like that. So congratulations to her for playing so well throughout this tournament. Dhabi's that got out of spoke about earlier. Congratulations for playing. Well in the final But regulations to Kenan Four. Were showing the kind of Moxy the kind of bravado the the the never give up attitude never take appoint off kind of attitude in in. That is there's intangibles or why she is where she is. It's why she's won a Grand Slam on top of the clear talent that she has she meant a have the biggest serve in the world She may not have the biggest for him but she has got a world class backhand and she's GonNa fire for you know five players. You hope you hope that male or female. The player the players. If you're a coach player you have has even half of the fire in the in determination and the willpower and the desire that Canon has Because a lot of ways you have it or you don't and then you can have all the talent in the world but if you don't really have that desire in that fight well it you might be able to have a solid career but you probably never gonna WanNa Grand Slam Having that can mean as much if not more than the actual talent that you do possess because that desire and that fighting that grit. That's what that's what gets you to the winter circle Asked to be fair on the men's side about that you know. He had that and he wasn't working with the biggest weapons in the world and he turned in I. I consider it to be a hall of fame career even when a grand slam but I consider defeat fairs career to be hall of fame. Career His longevity his years spent the top ten His overall record his professionalism in. That's something that can in possesses is well So anyway congrats to her Thanks for listening to the PODCAST. If you'd like to send feedback you can send it to tennis addict. Podcast JIMA DOT COM. And if you would like to contact me on twitter that minority thank you so at At Tennis Addict Pod and let me know about your thoughts on the final your thoughts on Kenan McGrath et Cetera. What are your predictions for the men's final and again I will hopefully see you guys on here. Least you'll see my recording in the feed for tomorrow's match I'm still sticking with my prediction when I'm GONNA pick Team in four tomorrow. I know it's a big ask. I kind of you know from a betting man probably GonNa Djokovic but I think that team has a game like will Rinca Where if you read lines it in in Renzo in place hot high quality high level tennis for the entire match he could do it. It's still going to be a big ask going to be difficult but I do. Think that So anyway. 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Why You Should Be Fearless When Betting on Yourself | The Reinvention Project with Jim Rome

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Why You Should Be Fearless When Betting on Yourself | The Reinvention Project with Jim Rome

"Podcast good morning. Good evening afternoon. Hope your bike ride of your gym session. Hope you're walking. Dog is going well. Just want to say may fifth upcoming soon. May i am dropping a very very very big project. Please check out. All my social media specifically twitter and instagram pontificating previewing flirting. But i'll put it this way. Please make sure you go to gary geena of dot com read. The article about crypto wallets. Make sure that you have a mask with at least one. E theorem one eighth in your wallet because this project is a hundred percent built to make sure my. Og community that. If it's not to mention the way actually built it. What comes along with the nfl so hope you. I hope you check that out. Please be prepared make this. This is gary v audio experience. Let me say route the very top I know how insanely busy you are. I want to thank you very much for sharing your time with us and tell you how much and listeners of this pot appreciate it. How were you doing my man. How are things things tremendous. Actually you know very basic with my perspective. If my family is healthy. I am and you know obviously going through this time that we all have my heart goes out to people that have been affected. I've been very lucky that we haven't tonight continue. Count those blessings and then and then all my agenda and anx come from my new york jets. Which i'm fully in that mode right. No doubt about that all right. So the jumping off point gary tricky with you because we could start a million different places so let me start with the broadest space imaginable. Where are you mentally. Where's your head space out right now. Gary on offense. Jim i think that this keeping new consumer behaviors as we get out of kobe. The explosion of you know social media and content gaming as an entrepreneur in one. That's comfortable in the tomorrow more so than obsessed with the yesterday. This is an exciting time. Because there's a lot of change in the air so you know when you ask that question. I was thinking about layla. Marymount running done right. Like i'm trying to win like hank gathers the late. Great hank gathers and kimble. I'm trying to win out. Here is an entrepreneur. One fifty one to one thirty seven. So i'm impure offense night. Get that so either. You're in offense or you're in defense there is no in between go back to nfc's for a minute like for those who do not know. Can you simply explain what it is and in your mind. Is it real. Is it sustainable. How are you approaching it. It's an it's unbelievably real. But there's a caveat there so i'll say let's talk about the second part it's one thousand nine hundred ninety five nine hundred ninety seven nine hundred ninety nine internet. It's very real people just trying to wrap their head around it. A bunch of companies went public. In those years. Jim you remember. Many of them became pets.com and went to zero. But and everybody then in two thousand said oh see the internet's a fab. What was a fad was. There was a gold rush. Which is exactly what's happening with an empty right now. Everybody every celebrity every intellectual properties putting out projects overpricing their projects and not really using the technologies properly. The internet was the most important transformation of our time. Same thing's going to happen here with. Nfc's stamper non-punishable tokens in layman's terms. The reason you're everybody who's listening right your reason your kids by skins on fortnight or roadblocks or all this stuff or why you might care how many followers you have on social media or the of oblique checkmark. Our life is becoming more and more digital and our social currency our the way we communicate. Our identity is wrapped up and things that go on the internet and having digital tokens a digital token that represents a ticket to the nba. All star game. Or or that. You're fan of nirvana. Or what have you is going to start playing out jim. This is a one hour podcast conversation on. Nf but let me say this. There's only been two times. I felt like this when the internet started when social media started and in that time those first two years were mucky the biggest things in the world were happening but ninety eight percent were overwhelmed by greed and fast bags. And that's why you're going to see some carnage. nfc land on the investing side of the projects. And there'll be some big ones. There's gonna be some real money made if you're good at this on the flip side. The overall technology is something. Everybody who's listening right now is going to be living within in a decade. Appreciate that response and gary. It's so interesting because as you point out that in and of itself is a one hour conversation you and i have had a lot of conversations in the past. this particular. Podcast is a different project. It's a reinvention project. And i wanna ask you gary. You said recently that there's never been a better time in the human race ever to go all in on you. My question then is why now. Because there's no time like the present or in your mind. Are we living in a golden age of opportunity. We're living in a golden age opportunity. Jim you and i are grandparents if they had to put me on the table and had to have a roof and had to pay the bills and thus they were stuck in that cocoon. They'd get home at six o'clock seven o'clock five o'clock eight o'clock they didn't have something called the internet and a thing called the modern internet and the emerging blockchain to take advantage of seven pm. Eight pm nine pm saturday in the train on the way there the internet enables opportuni and we are the humans that are living in it when it's first emerged and when it's starting to hit scale and normality and so you know i'm a i'm devastated by people that are unhappy. Were complaining or feel stuck. But i'm empathetic and i understand which is why always push this thing of like. What's going on on tiktok. Do you know what's going on on podcasting on blockchain. Because i've lived the life. Now where i've been talking about this for fifteen years and i have hundreds of thousands of emails that are unbelievably emotional about you've changed my life because i started this cooking show on youtube or i listen to you about tiktok and this happened gary and that doesn't mean everybody became a billionaire. I mean some people that were making one hundred thirteen thousand a year miserable now make ninety four thousand a year thrilled. Some people that meets seventy two thousand a year miserable now two hundred fifty thousand a year a static because they advertise on their podcast where they do influence ordeals jim. This is really practical. It takes twenty three hours of education to know what i'm talking about but it's very real jim. 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It's amazing the thera- gun app. Learns from your behaviors and it suggests guided routines. You can take my word for it or you can take the word of two hundred and fifty professional sports teams like real madrid. Also elite athletes like paul. George you andre hopkins rea- sharipova and hundreds of thousands of customers like me. Were all using it. We all love the thera gun. Try thera- gun for thirty days. Starting at only one hundred and ninety nine dollars go to sarah gun dot com slash reinvention. Right now and get your gen for thera- gun today. I cannot stress enough. how much. I love this product. That's thera- gun dot com slash reinvention. Thera- gun dot com slash reinvention. If somebody is listening right now and they're not getting their head around this and they're not absolutely pumped on their life number one gary. Whose fault is that. And then secondly what would you tell that person fall questions. Incredibly hard. The luck of the draw the realities of parenting and miss parenting the environment. You grew up in east. A single singular event that triggered fear or negative kind of navigation. Life is complicated. there is no simplicity. But i will say this. It blows my mind on the incredible. That is the human spirit and people in incredibly tricky circumstances by flipping the switch and saying on accountable. I can change this. I'm not gonna blame my dad or this moment. Where my ex husband or blah blah blah. It's shocking to me about the human spirit when you change your perspective and your outlook. And i'm not jim i'm gonna show him fuck. Yes beautiful. i'm not on some raw shit like i'm not here to be a fucking motivational speaker. I'm here to say like life is how you see it. Perspective is actually the truth. If you're like. I got bucked. And it's over the fuck. Do you think your life's going to look like and so for me. I come on a show like this. Because i love you and i know in the back of my mind that i was gifted and lucked into and put work into the ability to communicate in a way that makes people maybe for a second look at it slightly different and i look forward. And it's garry at bainer media dot com b. a. y. any armenia dot com. I looked forward. Jim to seven months from now getting an email from somebody said on that guy. I was listening to romi like and snuck in. I don't know. I don't know why and this is the emails i get you. I don't know why but you set in a different way. I heard one hundred times sometimes. Jimmy here gary listening to you for six years of hurt it over and over and over but this you said it this way and i was ready for it and matt. Jim is why it's still fucking waste my time you know pounding my fist through the wall of like joe. You can actually do something. I'm not joking. This is real. This is not fantasy. I'm not selling a secret. Where like sit on your bed impre and it's going to happen. This is learn about new shit. That's going on make stuff up or talk about stuff that you know. There's somebody right now. Listening to this rummy knows more about the buffalo sabres than anybody on earth and literally could start a niche instagram pitcock. Podcast and make fifty five k. Here see this is all gary really practical really pragmatic advice and really important advice that you can use and turn into something tangible and i think that's so important but then we're talk about the other things that you talk about quite a bit. Things like accountability things like entitlement and recently. You had this post on instagram. A red just simply no one owes us shit and then you sat back and you wash everybody. React to it. I'm i'm curious. Generally were you encouraged by the reaction today and then how would that reaction been different. Say five years ago. I do think that we have more. And it's because we had such political unrest so empathetic to it. We do have less accountability today. Based on two major factors Real aggressive political unrest in really poor parenting in the macro there's incredible parents on the byproduct of one but there are absolutely let there be no no confusion. We have lived through the golden era of eighth place trophies. The golden era of that. And what that's made is people thinking that they deserve shit that the world owes them something. Because mommy and daddy set them up that way and so now you have a lot of people who are less accountable. They love to point fingers and they hate to point their thumb at themselves. So i think it's slightly worse than it was five years ago comma. It is better than it was a year ago. You're starting to see inklings. And this is what i spent my time on reading reading reading people. You're starting to see inklings of like okay. I've gone ham on social media. I've been a tornado to everybody around me. All this pointing and blaming still hasn't changed shit and the human adjusts at. I do think we are on the precipice of golden era of re establishing more accountability. Like yeah you know how much you hate life if you think. Someone's in charge if you think corporations in charge if you think your dad's in charge if you think the man's and charged the government you know if you actually don't feel in control life blows one hundred percents worst thing ever like. Why by the way. I know that there's a million things. I don't control. That can change a lawn me tomorrow and i'll pay more taxes. Ikea did it in a a tricky for my fucking head. I don't think i'm in control of anything. Which a weird way makes me feel in control of everything. Jim explain that gap. That's fascinating so life is life if my dad gets diagnosed with terminal cancer tonight tomorrow. I'm fucking shut down on my business. Shit i don't give a fuck about that. I'll give fuck about the jets or business like that's going to be my cocoon for a year or two or three as we battle right like i'm not in control of that. I'm not in control of my like like a shower head. Exploding in my face and like burning my life a million things happen in life so in that i go okay. I'm actually not in control of like really anything. Well then i'm in control of like how i see that so i'm not going to dwell on things i'm not in control of i'm going to really focus on what i am in control of. I could wake up right now. I could eat better right now. i could work out. I could make decision. It's funny thing happens a life. If i do nice things for people karma kicks in short people taking advantage of it and i cut them off bronx tale but if i keep doing nice things more nice things happened. Go figure go figure like on control of that. I'm in control of my optimism. it's not delusion people like. Gary i'm just keeping it real. I'm like you're keeping it real fucking pessimistic. That's what you're keeping so like like like life is how you see it. You will find what you're looking for. I can go on twitter right now or a glorious stories or at go under and see four hundred pieces of shit. You're gonna find what you're looking for. My dad is a cynical dude that little bit different than me call. Russian do look and he goes man. I don't know. I always fucking every time. It comes to the liquor store. I stumble into some shit. I've got a nose for it. I know you knows for it it that you're looking for it. You come to the store. you're looking for it. I see shit. That's horrible and my company all the time. I don't fucking sweat little minute. I focus on the background and so like that's life. Jim that's in life. I dunno gary. You and i've had a lot of conversations off the air. This is my favorite one two days for so many different reasons abound so happy about this. Hey now count it. 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I wanted to be this and to quote into that. I would say preach brother gary. I'm guys mid fifties. I fight this to this day. I literally get caught up in negative loops or spirals that i know do not serve me and i know it's the dumbest shit ever. Why do we do this in practically. How do you break that. Looper that chain. Because your parents gave you that dna and then parented it and it became your norm and or your environment or your or your older brother or your best friend. You hung around people that believed in it and accelerated it and you were given some of it naturally with dna and the way you get out of it. Is you start hanging out and listening to practical positive shit. I see that very simple right friends. You are who you roll with you know. Of course everyone sanctions team sells you fear. Whatever channel you watch. I don't give a fuck what channel you're watching. Cnn and fox is the same shit that megyn fear fear fear fear fear fear fear. Of course people are anxious. The end like serious. Social media's no better than just humans sharing their fears fear fear fear fear fear you know how do you change look for fucking practical hope not some delusional fantasy land. Everyone's gonna pay for everything not fucking delusion but fucking practical optimistic shit like fucking go. That are happy. Who are like yes. This the sucks. Or i'm gonna eat shipper year but this is going to happen like fucking optimism. Man like fucking happy people that are content like at peace like everyone thinks that money. Like fucking jim. I hate money. People want money. They think it's going to make them happy. The richest people are fucking miserable. All they do with that money is they buy horrible shit. Get into horrible drugs. Hang out with horrible people successes content. The reason bro. I don't everyone so confused by my propaganda. I i wanna buy the jets. People don't get it. It's not that. I want to buy the jets because i'm douche. It's because i love the chase of trying to buy the jets. It's hard. I like the game i was gonna say gain on. I was gonna say understand this. I know you and i know this. You're not you've you've never been about money. You are addicted to the game. What is it about the game that you love so much and explain to me what that high feels like. What is the addiction. I'm curious about how good am i. I'm just i. This is so fucking associated with kobe on this shit. I feel like kobe. One of the great regrets of my life was i. Don't reach out to people that i admire and when kobe changed that because i always was like well. It's gonna come to me. They'll come to me and it really affected me and and every time. I watch his stuff like i know exactly what's going through his blood. It's a curiosity of how great one can be. I'm genuinely curious. I know that i was gifted like an athlete. Like i feel like. I understand for people listening right now. How do this sound. but it's i don't. I'm sorry it's how i feel. I feel lebron. Like i feel beyond say like i'm curious i just am business. Woman or man form. It's harder to see plays out over a longer period of time. But i feel like i was gifted with some crazy ass shit and i'm curious of how big i can get it. And the challenge of being crippled by opportunity making decisions navigating the fucking strategy fucking game. I don't want the trophy. You know me like. I don't buy shit. I don't need a fucking watch. I don't have a fucking suits settle. Need a fucking private plane. I'm just fucking curious out. Here of how great i can be so gary that said and i understand this to like you you've talked about you just said i'm gifted. I understand what i'm gifted in. You've talked about dna. You talked about your dad. You talked about your family. I'm really curious about this. A mutual friend of ours. Ed my let had me on his podcast. And we talked about this sense of nature or nurture. I really need your thoughts on this because when you look within and you consider gary your personal drive. You're great you're competitive fire and then you think about all the time you spent with athletes entertainers creator. Ceo's people have come in contact with that. Had that same sort of mental toughness fire in grit my question. Where does it come from is it. Dna is it hard wired or can you only get it from personal experience and the way you come up my official answer on a pure guess with life experiences analyzing everyone around me and myself is that it's sixty forty dna sixty nature. How you're nurtured forty parenting where you grew up how i had a perfect fucking store got the dna. Then i got the luxury of being born in the soviet union coming country. Nothing having a mom. That was a fuck came all time hall of fame. If mom hall of fame's my mom would be first ballot. And so i had a fucking guide. I had the dna and then i had nothing. I grew up in the dirt and beth. Fuck changes everything. So i think. I i still think sixty forty because i've seen people have have those circumstances but their dna was a little different. They were just chemically a certain way. So that's where i'm at sixty forty d. guy you you you got both. You've got both about listen by the way. That's why when i talk about myself right get accolades or why like. I can't hear the cheering which allows me to deal. With the booming. I'm just the byproduct of sasha tamara baiter chuck and soviet and american dynamics during one thousand nine hundred seventy two two thousand like i'm nothing like my businesses or reflection on me might chill reflection of me. That's my parents. That's by circumstance. So when people like your fucking genius you're fucking great. Or when they're like your fucking somebody just said i was gripped her on fucking twitter like unemotional. After of unemotionally touched by that because i'm the byproduct of something and i always fascinated by people thinking their accolades them. I feel my accolades are are really accolades towards my parents. And to the american dream I thank the jersey and by the way to jersey until the eighties. I fucking got six fights and second and third and fourth and sixth grade. Jim like kizzee's the fight. That's good yeah. I mean you you are about competition pure competition and i did hear the question when you say to me gary like what am i agree with you. I think i i am both. I think my one strength on the way up was that i was very honest about what i was in what i was not like. I am no genius man far from it for health awareness self awareness. Exactly what. I figured out early on gary was that there was nothing significant about me so i asked myself these questions early on in my career. Why you why you didn't play the game. Nobody knows who the fuck you are. Who's going to give you a show. Who's going to put you on the air. How are you different. How are you different and for a long time. I couldn't answer the question. How am i different. I'm really not different. But i figured the only way i could be different was by a being different but be to cultivate this mindset of i'm willing to go as hard is possibly can and harder than anybody else. What my calling card is going to be is going to have this chip on my shoulder. And by the way it wasn't contrived wasn't manufactured. I was kind of a dope in high school. I was kind of a nerd in high school. I didn't like that man. I didn't like not feeling unique or special. And i just know to to the question when i've been at greatest success which brings me back to the whole point of this project gary. The times that i've been most successful was when i was most dialed in and i had that chip on my shoulder. I think a lot of this is it's it's nature and nurture. I think that you can develop it right. Can't you like your chip on your shoulder where they come from. Do still have it or do you. New chips i make up chips sandbag myself professionally almost constantly still to this day because i want to not achieve trying to achieve in my game i think my first chip i everytime i think about chips the first one for sore was getting picked on in dover new jersey when i first moved to america where we first moved from queens. I had a real rough like six months. Where there was this crew. Because i'm an eighties baby you just go outside. My mom is from russia where you really just went outside for the whole day so those crew remember just one scene where like the kids made me drink out of a pepsi candidate. I knew the kid pissed in it right. But like i just couldn't get out of the situation and i kinda like put my lipson. Ha ha ha so that. That was that very quickly. After that i never had bullying or anything because i was too charismatic and too friendly too nice and always had a good run but my ships came from. I was a student all my parents friends and all my teachers would never amount to anything. Because that's what you did in the politically incorrect eighties around bad students. I was epic and sports up till third or fourth grade. 'cause i'm crazy. Hand eye coordination but as soon as athletic schism speed and strength started to matter. I completely fell off and that was a fun chip because like fuck. I'm not good at that. And so i just like had plenty of like negative affirmation which got me into this place because mentally in that place of like i mean. Jim look at me as a sports fan. I grew up a four sport fan in the eighties. Jets yankees rangers knicks. I am now solely jets a knicks. Fan y you asked me because of nine hundred ninety four and nineteen ninety-six the jet the yankees and the rangers won championships. I was a bigger new york rangers fan in the eighties and nineties. A jets fan but the second. They won the cup. I barely watched a single game. I watched three minutes of king's rangers stanley cup several years ago because once journey was accomplished i was out to love that i love that. That is such a great analogy. I'm honestly. I didn't realize it was happening. Maybe seventy years ago. When i started getting into my feelings of like fuck i am only about the journey. I'm only about. I would have all these exits twitter going public facebook. All these crazy shipped were happening to me. And i wouldn't i. I listen coin base in twenty fourteen. They went public the other day. Obviously most people know it was the single biggest financial event of my career. This is on my children's health. I didn't even look at the stock price at all that day. I was just busy. Like i'm just weird about my game. I get away for everybody. Who's listening please. I really want them to hear this. Not a humble brag. I'm not a dick face. i'm not being nonchalant. I'm grateful for everything i have. It's just. I'm about the fucking game all right so grateful. I'm i'm just. I'm just following around. These are my favorite types of interviews. Why don't have to do shit but listen and just follow you around. Get like i want to say to you all right. So what is it. I know money's not the thing. I know it's competition. I know it's the game but you've murdered the game yet. I'm hearing in your voice. I hear the way you roll out every single morning. And you're not only on offense but you are attacking on those rare days 'cause you you're not perfect. We all go into a slump. We all get into a funk. We don't always have that energy. What's that thing that you have to quickly re set yourself to get back on the path. And i don't want to answer your question for you. I gotta think gratitude gratitude gratitude at somebody with the right. My parents didn't die last night. My kids didn't die last night. I'm so simple. I don't by the way asked me. What my favorite rock is. What's your favorite rock rocky rocky. Yes rocky your favorite rock do need says. What are you about rocks now. What's your favorite rocky movie. I think it's five or six six. It's the one where he loses. Everything has to go back to the slum. Okay jim on my fucking everything. I sometimes not fear dream of losing everything and going back to queens of the studio apartment. Have the entire internet shit on me. Tell all my fans almost cynical people that are around the people that are fans friends enthusiasts believers say see told you that guy was being that lowly lonely fucking place and fucking rise like a phoenix and fuck it like. It's crazy to me how much i don't mean anything but the game right so gratitude. It's the health of the people. I care about after that. It's all just play. Here's why jim. I don't give a shit about what people think about me. I don't i. I respect it. That's very different than caring in your soul. I understand it. I understand why some people the first time it's too much energy. Fuck this guy's probably of shit. I am grateful for it when it's nice but i don't live my life for outside affirmation which is why i don't have benzoate. It's why i don't wear a rolex. It's why it's why. It's why. And so i'm in this fucking cocoon of my own process my own gratitude. All right so you said something. And i do appreciate that and you would extend that to everybody. That's not just a youth thing that's like. Hey listen if you're listening right now you'd best not care with daddy says or mommy says or your uncle says or your friend's god right by that to get. Don't buy expensive thing to get the girl kaz. You'll want that kind of by the way. Everything i say is thing that jim yes. I don't need to beyond i. I believe the myself before anybody else did. I don't need to come on for that. I'm hoping that the energy blasts somebody in the face wakes them up today. Gets them to stop listening to their cynical grandmother. Like fuck it. I don't know who the fuck this guy is but fucking. I'm i won the lottery. Four hundred trillion to one are the odds to be a human. What am i gonna do. Well my way through the next year's listen gary. That was my reaction. I've told you this years and years and years ago the very first time. I saw any of your content. That's exactly what my reaction was. Oh my god who the fuck is. This guy is blasting me right in the face. I can't believe it stopped me cold on my tracks so i've got to final fight. You says something that just absolutely blew me away when you said. Do you know what privately. I wish you would all go away and i could start over. Again and rise up from the phoenix. This is what one of the reasons gary and wanted to run you down today not only for me selfishly to ask you this but i know a lot of people like me or younger than me or younger than you are thinking. The same thing gary. I'm doing this project. Because i'm a mid fifty something who sat a pretty good run and i still want it really badly. I do. And i do know though. Because i'm self aware that what i've done gary to this point is not going to get me rice. Still wanna go. I also understand that. Here's my question for you. Maybe it's for me to think this but even as a mid fifty. I've convinced myself that there's reasonably the next twenty five to thirty years of my life won't be the best twenty five to thirty and that across the board. I mean not like i'm bolstering myself. I mean mentally physically spiritually professionally. Gary choubey straight. Shoot me really straight. Is this a realistic feasible. Goal for me and others like me or should i be looking at it in a different manner. I'm almost stopped them. I you know. I love what you just said. I hope everybody. Let's it's actually logical jim. It's not it's not the reverse you should dominate. The next twenty. God willing that you're you know nothing crazy happens on. The outsides of health like people haven't quantified modern science. We all free fifty year olds like it was fifty years ago. Being fifty seven. Today is making thirty nine. Take care of ourselves these. Does anybody watch madman. A drink and smoke themselves to death. Like shit the fuck like. I don't understand how people don't get it. We're living longer like of course that's how you should be your you know shit. You should not care about people's opinions anymore. It's not high school anymore. You're in the prime of your life and because you come from a place of what's going on in your brain and how you communicate you can be in iota life right you can fucking like plop down and fucking pun. Typically like you're not. You're not a professional athlete. Who has to do it on the field and even that person can do on tv and then on podcast and then like coaching writing books. Like life is epic now of course and by the way how about the fifty nine year old listening right now to us jim who hated everything that's gone on so far. Forget about the first one. That's done shit like you. What about the fifty nine year old. Who's fucking like unhappy in his marriage like fucking stressing in debt. Like if that person realized what actually saying you know what fuck it. I'm gonna make next thirty way better. And the second you decide that and put in the work. So what happens jim to that guy in so coming home and fucking going man cave life and watching sports center and games or netflix or playing video games to check out of his unhappiness he flips the switch and he starts spending research and learning what an. Nf is and calling a buddy. That's a little bit more optimistic instead of the one. That's more pessimistic. Everything just changes. Jim guy love that so much. So gary finally finally finally got such a great great conversation so if you come up the way you personally did not to be trite and say. Come up out of the mud. But i'm you came up mud dirt right you did. You were once invited to the white house and you sat before barack obama. I have to know given where you started. And your journey. The fuck with reminds you sat with the president of the united states. And then who else was there and what was your biggest takeaway from that experience. God i've been trying to hedge my ridiculousness on this call. But i always promised by south answer questions should fully. What i thought was. I could do this job. And who else was there was the biggest and marketers in the world talking about modern communication because the president is trying to figure out how to reach more people because people were starting to watch tv. And i felt like i could do the job. I i swear to god. If i was born in this country. I would run for president united states of america. Because i think i could do it. Oh i know you could do it. I know he could do. What job would you rather have that have that or owner of the jets or both the owner of the jets. I really i. i'll tell you why. I know i can't have president because i wasn't born this country and they don't let that right and so i don't dream fantasy. I wanna i believe that i can equally impact as many human beings legal legacy by buying the jets. Because i will show people that in a kind way worrying about things like empathy and patience and kindness and all the stuff. I talk about a conviction an ambition balanced with not beating yourself up and loving yourself. I it'd be nicer to other people. Like all the things i believe in that are actually true and real and good that jimmy understand when i by the jets right now. Forty years call. If i do it in twenty years twenty five years. I'll be forty years of ungodly amounts of content at scale consumed by a lot of people. That story is going to allow people that came from low places to green. And it's not only did i achieve it. I achieved it by building the biggest building not by doing what other people do. Just tear down other people's building so it's not only how got there. It's like the way i made people feel. And how i did it on a human level. And so like i when i do that it's gonna people could aspire to be like for example when seen jobs became c jobs and he was not nice to employees. I watched kids in silicon valley. Not be nicer their employees when i play the jets and everybody watched how i do it. And didn't they're gonna be like oh you can be nice in place. Oh you can use soft skills like compassion and sympathy. That doesn't mean you get walked all over. This guy's a fucking g but he believes in like being accountable when you're the leader and like eliminating hate and like like i'm an alpha that talks about shit that your grandma talks about by the way. This guy is a fucking g. Gary i i mean with such and empathy. I cannot tell you how much. I appreciate all the time. Did you just spent on this podcast. How much. I appreciate our friendship. I know how much our listeners got out of that. I don't know how better to say. I just appreciate you and i love you man. I really appreciate that conversation. I love you. i can't wait to see. Let's do as today's podcast. I want to give a huge shout out to the people you know. It's so funny. People that leave reviews and written reviews of this podcast on apple spotify and all the other platforms just means the world to me. You've taken an extra thirteen to ninety five seconds to show love and also give context of why this is worthwhile podcast. So i appreciate that so much and even more fun because i think we all love a little cosigner shoutout or little awareness I'm going to have the team give couple of shoutouts daily on our favorite views. So take it away which we're favorites this week. Thanks gary today's amazing review comes from kate. M in it reads can't stop won't stop. I found this podcast two days ago and i haven't stopped listening since every single podcast has golden nuggets. Hit it in raw dialogue and it's refreshing to listen to. Thanks for the knowledge bombs gary to anybody listening out there. If you leave us a review you might just get shouted out in the next episode.

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Calling It Quits, Book Club Finale

The Right Time with Bomani Jones

1:07:03 hr | 1 year ago

Calling It Quits, Book Club Finale

"Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the right time bomani jones listen on the e._s._p._n. App at buck as podcast ashtrays review. Let's give us five stars you wash ause. I'm inclined to believe you are hater <hes> coming up on this episode of the right time. Dwight howard is a laker again. Uh we still trying to act like serena. Sharipova is a rivalry and also wrap up the right time book club with mike freeman author of jim brown fierce live of an american hero but i verse yeoman. Andrew luggage quit his job the other day. I'll see that no no. I mean retiring yea yea but he just went out there and quit his job. I'll blame for quitting his job but he went out there and he quit his job of and here. He is by the way saying that he's about quit his job. This certainly isn't how i envision. This plan this but i'm gonna retire. This is not an easy decision. Honestly it's the the hardest decision on my life but it is the right decision for me. I have to say i have been amazed by the level of judgment that people have had about andrew lucked deciding that he was going to retire. It seems pretty clear that he had talked to all the people the relevant parties and let them know that this was coming. I think he wound up being done a disservice by whoever called adam schefter and put that out there before luck himself had the opportunity to share the news because i do think that that created a bizarre set of circumstances where they're playing this preseason games on the sideline the people in the stands know that he he is retired but he hasn't had a chance to say it so now he's as out here getting booed and it it was a lot there and i think it put him in a bad place and i know there's been a lot of speculation asian as to who it was that leected i mean i would assume that it would be somebody from the cold side. I honestly have no idea but i do think that they did him wrong by putting putting him in that situation where his last memory of walking out of that stadium as a player even though he wasn't in the game but his last memory walking out of that stadium as a player is going to be getting booed by fans fans who seemed up until that point to love them a lot and to hang all their hopes on him and then it is berated him basically on the way out and and the thing that i find strange about the judgment is is andrew. Luck owe you money because when people own me money and they make decisions that either like cost cost them money or interfere with their ability to get money. I immediately think to myself so when you give me my money right but andrew lucked an omi- me money gave his andrew local you know he does not all right you think he owed anybody in a stadium money 'cause. I don't think he owed anybody in that stadium money eight oh you money. Why do you care if he goes to work. I personally have a spectacular level of respect for anybody who has lived their lives in such a way that that allows them to wake up one day. Look around and be like you know what. I got to do this no more. I quit not coming back anymore. Why are you not coming back 'cause i. I ain't got to do this. No more i remember this was in two thousand thirteen. I guess it was around march april somewhere. There must have been march all right and i. I didn't have a full-time job at the time but i was doing like you know around the horn appearance and stuff like that. I'm doing those two three four times a week depending on when he was so i didn't have a day day job but i still have work to do but i knew i was going to be getting a job soon and once i got the job it was gonna be real consuming as you know what i'm just not going to do around the horn or anything anything else for a month and that month turned into two months you know why because it was so good not having a job but not needing the money it was fine. I was doing all right. My expenses are pretty low. I need an assessment. I ain't even go nowhere for the most part. I just sat around my house. I'd wake up. I'd take a shower. I sit down on the couch and watch t._v. All day long all day long. I would not here chasing. No dreams here like wow. There's all these projects. I wish i had time to do hell now. None of that you know what i was doing. I wouldn't go into work no more. That's what it was and i remember i went to. I went up somewhere. I used to go aradio stays as you do some work at and i just went up there to see some people and i was there and the woman who was working in the desert asked me what i've been to and i was like i've just been sitting at the house doing nothing often and the look of jealousy and like jesse. She was mad at me but like she really looked at me like yo. I really wish i could just sit around the house and do nothing because the whole reason she was showing up at their job and sitting at a desert because she had to as you look does not have to do that. There's so many due to our in this league right now who have to do these things they have to keep going <music> out there subjected themselves to the physical abuse because for whatever reason at that moment they cannot let the job go whether it be because what the job does for them on the inside how it makes some feel how it defines their existence or simply because the rent do like adrian peterson. We're out of money about agent stores where adrian peterson people money now we know why it is adrian peterson peterson gotta keep coming to work say anything else about angela. You know you money so you don't care if you go to work. If people to care of aging peterson go to work he apparently owed them money and so one of the greatest running backs of all time is is gonna keep dragging himself out there trying to get deb rid because he needs it. Andrew luck looked around and just said to himself. I don't have to do this anymore. Therefore i am not going to do and what he talked about that i've found to be interesting just the idea that he was basically like you know what he may football. Oh ball sound like he made football sound like making your bid gave to you. Make your bed every day. I do okay. I've grown over time to be more bid maker in my life. Having stretch where you live with a woman will make you more of a bed maker right that became more more of a bid maker but my problem with being the bid maker before was very simple. All do is get back in it like like like oh but to get back into bed now. That's not the greatest logic in the world to us but we're talking about making your bid man while i'm just going to straighten his thing right backup. Just get back in and ain't nobody coming over to see this. They felt like it was just a presentation. I ain't doing it. That's what football sound light to andrew luck. Were basically with these injuries. He was doing doing the equivalent of getting out of bed making it up only to get back into bed again and what the bed was for him was getting his body cracked repeatedly. I'm hurt. I go work really hard to get back from being hurt and rehab is a miserable process or anybody who's been through it. They know oh initiatives like regular people rehab god forbid what it is but he's cats out here playing on a professional level aim at i get hurt 'i rehab and then you know what happens happens. After our rehab a comeback out here and i get hurt again and so then i go rehab also i can come out here and get hurt again again and he said all the time made him a miserable person very unhappy just how it felt to always be heard to always physically a be in pain couldn't do it anymore so he does now. Why am i gonna keep doing this and he said that <hes> and this is before this made this point before that he dealt with those injuries before and what he had to learn was how to define himself outside of football he went and got married. You know and all the things that come along with that and he realized like a man. I got a life for myself that is outside of playing football and playing football is causing me unhappiness and i have these other things that make me feel better. We'll i'm going to go ahead and do those things. I got bread. I got my money. I'm straight as released released today. I'm good as released a my money so i don't have to do this. I'm not going to do this. I can't understand why that is something that everybody in that. Stadium would applaud because every single one of those people wishes they could walk in today job and quit every single one. How many allied your job right now. How many are truly job because you wanna be dead job and i'm a in that include by the way some of y'all who actually love your jobs who really really really enjoy your jobs. You're at de job because for some reason you feel like you have to be at that job. Maybe you stack and for the kids college foreign right. Maybe you send him money back to your parents. <hes> maybe you just single and brogan decided to keep a roof over your head whatever it is but reason you go into work. Tomorrow is because you wanna come back to an air conditioned home after you get off work. Andrew luck is go come home to his air conditioned home but you know what he ain't got to go to work. No more is is that not the american dream. I remember this dude. I was jim riggleman. He's been a manager of the washington nationals and he was trying to get an extension engine. They wouldn't give him an extent that pointed outperformed anybody's expectations and they told him they wouldn't give him an extension. You want an extension east quit eleven but went to a hotel bar posted up and start drinking with people and taking pictures and everything else you need this. I don't is that not the dream. Tell me how that is. Not the american dream lies over me. I can tell you this right. I work. I'm a pretty decent money. I get my stack on right and it's a little tricky given me because i get my stack on but i'm single and i don't have children and i don't expect necessarily to be single and childless forever which means i probably need to give some bread but would you crazy. If you don't think i sit around here day what mike cash out point right like what is the point that i can walk away from this if i want to not because i don't like my job but i mean the point where i can look up and i can say i don't have to do anything i don't want to do it. That's what i'm saying that. I don't have to do anything that i personally do not want to do. Most of our lives are dictated and governed by the things that we have to do with capitalism after all. That's the way most of our lives are dictated now. Man andrew luck reached the point of what freedom is in this capitalism awesome which is i don't have to get on the hamster wheel anymore. I don't have to be part of the rat race anymore. I can move on own with my life. I admire that and are also admired for him. Just from talking to enough former athletes about how hard it was for them to retire and how hard could be for them to find definition in their lives and defined meaning because so much what they done have been poured into football because they get to the places that they got to require such a single minded focus like such a lovely myopia that what do you do when it's done. What do you do when you walk away. Like who are you. If you're not andrew luck franchise quarterback who are you exactly and these are the questions that a lot of guys as struggle will with answering struggle with figuring out because their value to the larger world has always been dictated by the idea that they are football players and you looked around and was like i'll letting maybe that's my value to do the larger world but i got a little world that i care a lot more about dinners outside world and now i am going to focus on this little little world. That's what i'm going to do and that is truly legitimately. One hundred percent admirable and i think something that people ought to consider they think about this. I ain't heard of football player. Call him a quitter yet. I ain't heard anything from the guys on his team referring to him <hes> as any sort of a quitter yet only people that seem to have anything to say about him in that regard are people who don't play football aw that's it people who don't play football like even seeing a former athletes talk this way about look not football players but i'm just like oh. What are you talking about like. What what is this idea of. Love is a competitor and they're like the ultimate competitor is as a kid sterling works at indiana who like he's always been very good to me but he was like yeah. I think a firefighter is the ultimate competitor not andrew luck and i asked this question. What is a firefighter competing against. That's that's that's not really a competition right like the firefighter eight hundred dollar winsome lose them. No no no no no. That's that's not what this is like. Yeah we get it being football player. Maybe not as important to the universe is being a firefighter. The high end of the risk of being the firefighter may be higher than the high in risk of being football player however engage. You let me know if i'm wrong here because i don't know what that many firefighters but i know that when i be watching stuff if they show about firefighters you see a whole lot of clips at him sitting around playing cards waiting on a call and how football works in a slow day working football means somebody's gonna be hitting your kidneys throughout his injuries andrew leggatt at that point the lacerated kidney and by the way people love to talk about. He had a lacerated kidney. He was peeing blood after the game. What the hell did you think a lacerated kidney meant like. I think people his love the idea. Get down here talking about he was peeing blood after the game he said peeing in blood again. The dude had a lacerated kidney. I know what lacerated means. I know kidneys. Do i understood there. I was probably blood in his urine. Wouldn't that hard figure out didn't need walk you all the way up to that guy's just so you know but dude at a torn on labor room now this thing they couldn't figure out what to do with and everything else man that sounds arthur sounds arduous that sounds difficult that sounds miserable if a man and be able to take that moment and walk away saying that sounds like a hero because that's being dramatic but that sounds like a man who exists with a level of freedom both financially and with his own mental constitution and with his own personal confidence within himself that sounds like a man that i think most of us wish that we could be he like because that is a man who secured himself secured his place as pockets of secure with both. I salute him for that now with that in mind this thing about ourselves here for us right now. Community gave a name for they. Do we need to come up with a name for the people who listen to this like right thomas that we need to call that is a good name. Could work feels a little corny but i feel like we need a name. Everybody's got to have a name now. Everybody got a crew true but those yahoo down with the crew. Yano you know andrew. Luck has been a part of the right time back to win. It was a radio show and andrew. Luck is leaving the n._f._l. That also means something else will be leaving us. Go ahead and press play game while it was really really really tough. Ramillo's the stale spent a long time coming. I are first of all like to thank the right time with bomani jones lush nurse <hes> for for for believing leaving me and and and hoping that i would be able to turn this round but <hes> but i got to thinking about this and talking with my family i realized now now is the right time joke there for me to announce formally but i am in fact coming on home yes every day i after i read a good book and i look in the mirror and i can see it and i'll i'll look at my highlights. I can see it. I can see the moon roof up they are. I know my my my here's proceeding on the sides i can i can see it and it was about time the come on home. I are plenty of hair. My hair grows as you can see. It's on my face install. It's there and the want to in the passion and desire to grow my here. It's it's still there and it hadn't waned but i realized allies. There was just time. I was growing the little island up there at the top of by my forehead and i just knew i couldn't perform at the level that i wanted to and i might you you see the size of my head. It's kinda hats. Just don't really fit me so i guess it's tough and i when i was out there on field all then and without my helmet on yeah i can see a looks and now we'll out. I'll be learned through say it didn't hurt 'cause it but <hes> soak yeah <hes> what will lobby doing nex was actually a good question. <hes> i'm looking forward to exploring things up changing diapers. That's going to be exciting for me the the next phase of my life and dom looking to try new things. I heard the what are the kids into the facebook. I just got a smart home not too long ago so i'm i'm looking into that and <hes> yeah that's that's going to be exciting for me and the guy next chapter of my life. Oh yeah up so thank you to the to bomani <hes>. You asked great questions throughout <hes>. Thank you for shannon banned for for your horrible impersonation. I look good luck to laugh at that each and every day so <hes> so yeah. That's that's what i'll be doing. I'm not retiring per se. It's just rush time for me to come on home so that's that's what i'm doing. That's what i'm focused on so <hes> yeah <hes> i'll oppy around and right now. That's that's where i'm headed so thank you for the time and and you'll be hearing from me in the future so so thank you guys gonna miss shannon's impression of andrew luck. Oh angeles career. We shoulda best my dude. 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That's ziprecruiter dot com slash b. o. m. a. n. ziprecruiter dot com how slash beaumont ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire all right so dwight howard is playing for your los angeles lakers now gate. Yes how you feel about that game. I'm not sure how to feel about it yet. All i can i think of is the sports illustrated cover with gnashing howard is now this is going to be fun and i've seen a bunch of different different reproductions of it where it's like oh insert alex caruso if anyone knows who else greece him as he's like balding twenty something guy in dwight howard of the front run. It doesn't spill a good future. I just want to point out to you. That dwight only played nine games in washington last year but the year before he played eighty one games charlotte played late thirty minutes a game and averaged seventeen and thirteen in those nine games he played for washington. The average thirteen points nine rebounds in twenty minutes a game. He has averaged a double-double for every season of his career. He is a surefire hall of famer. He is a guy who while he wants. The ball does not need the ball in order to be effective effective. He is a dude. That does a bunch of the dirty work that a lot of people don't want to do while playing in the n._b._a. Like his ima- dwight howard his never averaged more than thirteen shots from the field so he can be out there playing with a bunch of other dudes. I it's hard to find a guy who's as good as he's been was long as he's been who does is now require the ball in order to get things done and nobody likes him but what's weird about the fact that nobody likes him. Is nobody ever calls him a jerk. They just don't like him. He is the ultimate. Try hard and try hard. Art is very very difficult to deal with on a consistent basis but people don't like him to the point where he assigned a non-guaranteed non-guaranteed deal with the lakers where he got lectured basically by anthony davis rajon rondo couple of other dudes on the team to to let them know what they expect of him and basically what they won't tolerate of him. The way woes termed. It was quote he's been warned unquote and i need you to stop and think about what i just told you rajon rondo who is not always been the best like person in all the other places he has been is coming in explaining to somebody how you gotta act so other people might like you. Can you think of anybody literally anybody who has been in this sort of situation because normally the argument is as long as you can ball as long as you could produce people will put up with all kinds of stuff that you are willing to do to white howard's biggest problem ah they he tries too hard and they let him know that will not be tolerated. What that's where he is. Oh by the way this might be a great pickup because again when we talk about the actual basketball part of it what is the argument against against picking up to white as a basketball player. They were gonna try demarcus cousins out there before he got hurt again and i don't think there's any argument to be made at this point that demarcus cousins thousands would have been a better player for the lakers dwight howard in large part because demarcus cousins requires the ball so much effort will be a lot of shots left of the people the lebron anthony davis out there to why come here set these screens crash these boards protect the rim. No this should be like if you're a lakers fan usually be looking at this and being like yo our basketball team just got better except people disliked white so much they they can't even think about it in those terms i i still have to argue with people about whether or not dwight howard four-time defensive player player of the year probably should have been a fifth time because he got a job that year they gave it to tyson. Chandler is a hall of famer. It is so like really really people will argue you into the ground explain to you. I need to see more from white before i see whether or not he is a hall of famer. How in the world is that possible and just so you know. Basketball reference dot com does a hall of fame probability calculator they add in a whole bunch of different factors based on the history of people getting into the hall of fame and they then said for white alright is due i to hall of famer according to their metric dwight howard it's probably hall of fame. Probability is ninety ninety nine point three ninety nine point three percent. That's the likelihood of dwight howard get into the hall of fame. Wjm based on his resume ninety nine point three and i still got people out here like no dwight. Howard is not a hall of famer. Just 'cause was y'all don't like him now. I always been kind of dismissive of some of the distasted people half white because i think a lot of basically still win back to the van gogh anything thing which i thought was a little bit low from hawaii but in the end of the world to me how stan got over it. I really think this is going to be a big deal for anybody. Else's stand god over now. Everybody bitel state. May i what i didn't realize that time though was kobe was not the only person that is really disliked. This dude really really really really really disliked. This dude and it's gotta be confounding for dwight. 'cause all white is trying to do was make y'all like him as his program from the beginning. I'm just trying to make thank y'all like me and looking at the white like bro. We don't want to like you. We're not interested in liking you. We don't want to like you so house is going to go for him with the lakers right. Although walkabout dwight dwight left the lakers they haven't made the playoffs since dwight left. Orlando took a long time before they made the playoffs again in the rockets had some up and downs ups and downs after white left there but it wasn't like they suddenly got better because he wasn't on the team is is a legitimately league good basketball player right and even the numbers that he's putting up now this is after that terrible back injury and it hasn't quite been the same sense but he's still been a more than serviceable visible n._b._a. Player and nobody likes him. I can't think of a comparable situation to this with him. Like i feel like dwight. Looks up and see somebody's other dudes like. I think what tim tebow ultimately i._t. N._f._l. Player wasn't good but like as a personality analogy is a persona of sorts. I think that's the white saw himself as being right. He was gonna bring jesus in everybody's life and all of that stuff. Nope didn't work that way away dingo that way for him at all. He just wanted to be the nice guy that everybody light whose smiled who performed for everybody and then one day everybody right. He looked up and was like yeah. We don't find this to be funny anymore. We just don't we don't we don't we're not. We're not digging like we used to. We're here for you think part of it with white his jealousy. I'd imagined somewhat but i think i mean there's a lot of guys in lead to be jealous of. You know what i mean. Whoa i guess my point is that do i can eat like fifty. Candy bar still looks like he does. That's a great point. That is a great point. I think you you know what do i figured like his thing when he was earlier. I'm just a big old kid and being a big old kid. I mean now. He is thirty three years old old. Don't go over the same way. People don't dig it like that and he never quite adjusted you remember. He did the lead jenkins article. You know everybody did the lead. Jenkins redeem myself article will. He did the lead jenkins article. That didn't work because people just did not want to hear that do win out there and talked about i. It's a cut his parents off because they were hitting up his pockets. He actually talked about the fact that you know. Do i came in talking about jesus but he got all these kids you know we're trying to reconcile his upbringing with the fact that he enjoyed having sex and trying to deal with it everything they came along along with that. I mean like he did everything. Y'all just look back like we will rock rocky like that. That's all. I just can't think of anything like it. I'm not i don't even know how much judgment i have for other people in the fact that they feel that way about him because everybody seems to feel that way about him except for me. I just can't think of anything. That's close to it but i'm telling you there's a good chance that this is. I'm not saying this thing that puts the lakers over the top but the lakers got a lot better by getting dwight howard. You're not concerned about spacing at all with the white on floor. I would be no more concerned about him and spacing mcgee. That's a fair point. You you know like that's that's that's it so the other reason i am not that concerned with him on spacing is that he can still get out there and play in the pick and roll so if if he was playing was like to stand on the block and wait for people to throw the ball okay then i think we'd have a problem but he's going to be coming out there on the perimeter to help these guys and spray you know run into the rim and then if there's not there at the rim than going somewhere else now i like it. I'm not saying this is going to happen but this turn out to be a very significant free agent edition having him could really make things different for the lakers and all there is supposed to talk about is how much people don't like dwight howard. Damn homie gabi do much of the tennis. I do do the much of the tennis okay. Thank you struggle. He's guy. There might be a tennis fan but i wasn't sure out really know people's names like that though i would some event <hes> in new york last week it was a nike. Did it was queens of the court. I think they called it and it was a a lot of women's tennis players and they set up <hes> at this park on house in six and they had a lot of kids there who were tennis players they filled up the crowd with them and they got to come out and they had the chance to lay hit balls with <hes> the players they ate. It ain't gives you rita came. First cerita waves rena dipped but after did they got hit balls with all kinds of players who have won grand slams whose names i don't know they were rattling off resumes but he's women. I guess she won wimbledon. In two thousand seventeen gene or is he the three time grand slam champion dan mullen who this is and they say that name i never heard an outward walk and eastern european woman that i had never seen like like american interest in tennis in their way is just kind of waned as we don't have that many american tennis players left that are like at the height in that way although we've actually actually we've got more of them than i think credit forces interesting. They're disproportionately black. Maybe it has. I have no idea but anyway i went out today event and you know who the people were. Amryah sharipova was there. It wasn't a rousing ovation gate. It wasn't a rousing ovation as let's just say. The crowd seemed to be much more serena crowd than maria crowd. If i'm with you a is one of those one of those situations but anyway i saw him out there <hes> and then then after that the draw came out and we had sharipova and serena williams playing in the first round now the game was going on during a birthday dinner. I went to the bathroom at some point and i saw that the score was one one in the first set by the time dinner was done serena beat her six one six one and as that last game is in progress on watching sharipova or one of the game's over the last one but watch sharipova job and she's got the ball and she's doing driven ball before she serves. I dunno dribbling the right way to put it but whatever i say things as i know so she dribbling getting ready to serve and and you can just see it interface. I think she wanted to cry and i'm not saying there's like oh boo view of saying this like literally like she wanted to cry. She looked miserable israel. She looked as though she was being embarrassed in front of the world and so here's thing for me clearly some of y'all out here love maria sharapova and i noticed some of your love maria sharapova because you have to love maria sharapova in order to try to sell this idea the idea somehow the maria sharapova and serena williams are rivals just because sharipova beat serena a couple times like fifteen eighteen years ago literally like a couple times like fifteen years ago and i even like a couple of times. It is literally a couple times. The the like fifteen years ago is guessing because i'm not sure the exact timing on the dates all right but offer that somebody fight decided that this was a rivalry what has happened in that rivalry sense. Serena has beaten her nineteen gene straight times nineteen straight times. Sharipova has not taken a set off serena in breath ten years ten years et gave me. If i'm wrong didn't serena give it a blues at the olympics. I believe so two two thousand twelve olympics six love six one out at wimbledon and the olympics six love six one and you know whose fault it is y'all's fall. It's y'all's fault because serena wooden have the doer like that if y'all one out here trying to act like like somehow they were arrives the need to present somebody to have alongside serena williams as a rival. That's why y'all in this situation. Asian serena beat anybody else nineteen times in a row. Is there anybody else that she is. This consistently dog walked in the way she maria sharapova pope. Do you think that that is strictly about the way that their games match up because wash sharipova. Maybe a little overrated. She has five grand slam titles and she has won the career your grand slam right like she's not annakournakova or anything like that but she out here getting dog walked by serena every single time. Why 'cause y'all just don't. I don't know how to act if y'all act right and behave with some level of rationality when it comes to things then this woman had to dog wall every time she come out here but majok keep trying to make this a rivalry therefore she out here fighting back tears because she knows she going get embarrassed to get and she has certainly added to this. There was that time that she talked about. Serena williams is being somebody who dated people's husbands or boyfriends or whatever it was and everything else. You shouldn't have said that. You should have said that. The audio was gives you more dog walking and as he was out there doll right snatching about at least come on over here just talking her right. Now we go in this wait. No no no no no sat trying to eat. Stop trying to eat implants over there. They go mess up your stomach. We go in this way dog wall because we needed to came up with some phony only notion of a robbery lease tiger woods and david duval people gave up on that early halewood tiger and phil people gave up on that this one people we'll still try to halfway make this into a thing like i shouldn't have all been no worthy. This arena sharipova will play in in the first round of this tournament. That shouldn't have been something. I even knew in the first this place but i knew people kept trying to make it a thing and then they think you both doll walk had to be done. Do i have to bring up. The the games are just having a laugh yeah. Eh do i even have to bring up like the uncomfortable part of this that all of this is centered around race ace. Every single bit of it is centered around race like the contrast is so staggering <hes> serena williams being serena williams being where serena williams from looking like serena williams looks being built the way the serena williams built and being as good as serena williams is on the other side by sharipova who basically looks like the woman that can you imagine emerged from the caucasus mountains right who had this career where she has made way more endorsement money. The serena williams has he's been treated far differently by the tennis press them serena was never and don't forget the fact maria sharapova got caught cheating and then came up with a cockamamie lie about. I thought thought i could do this even though she was taking medication for years that you're only supposed to take for six months at a time <hes> but i feel feels like he has eight is directly but it feels is always they needed some white woman to hold up as a competitor to the dominance or someone who is on his similar plane as the dominant serena williams and they got somebody. That was a couple of times. It was like oh man. We finally got it and people just walk away from it. It was still holding on that damn tight they just could not walk away from it because they needed somebody to be on the same level as this black superstar tennis player that they had and i was kind of interesting to think about because they're always was this one person you could have put on that same level if you wanted to you know her sister who is somehow become wildly underrated over the years it a name maria sharapova sharipova if it is but we forced it and we forced it and we forced it and then again sharipova the things you say that get you in trouble. <hes> do you remember that game was about how she didn't wanna. Gotta get muscular because she wanted to still look feminine and all that stuff. I remember i mean who do we think he was talking about. What do we think that she was talking talking about and that stuff on its face doesn't seem so bad but you have to remember the the racism that's around. Serena williams. Honestly now is not not nearly as loud as it was. In the previous decade right like that was back when you had host of prominent morning radio show in this country talking about those women and calling them apes like with no compunction just like just like being honest straight ahead we even honest is the wrong way to put it but you understand what i mean read by this literally calling the monkeys calling them gorillas like all of those things doing that and nobody got fired for that. Nobody lost their job for doing that. This was just the way that they were treated and they were discussed in public and again that being juxtaposed against maria sharapova. I don't know fully how much sharipova riposte consciously was playing into this but she made a whole lot of money by not being serena williams like that was her selling point was not being serena williams and let me tell you something that we learned over the years and we damn sure saw this last dog walking. She danced very no serena. Williams james ben no serena williams before shingle beano. Oh serena williams later and she ain't no serena williams right now. She is not those things she is. Maria sharapova and it is cool. Let her be maria sharapova but she is not maria sharapova of the sharapova serena williams robbery there is no such rivalry as i've said many times before this is a rivalry and the way the globetrotters and the generals have a rivalry they and i- rivals they just play all the time and that is the case that we have had here and it has been uncomfortable over over the years but the only thing that honestly has made intolerable is watching serena dog walk her every time. Did you see the tennis channel tweet tweet during the match that said us cohen. Maybe this time will be different. Serena cohen no sereno takes. It's the first set six to one. It got like two and a half thousand likes and that i saw a bunch of people sub tweeting and being like who exactly is us in this right. It's so insidious right like soul subtly thrown in there and worked in there and that way and seeing this is the thing that gives me gay. Where's maria sharapova from russia. Uh where serena williams from south central los angeles. Yes the united states out here rooting for russia like i think about that for a second like that tells you everything and if there's ever been a great frustration i've had with the way the williams sisters have been treated. My good buddy lawrence always makes his point. He was like the greatest story in twentieth century. American sports is the story the williams sisters and he has a great argument behind now. You have to fully spell it out for you but when you really think about where they came from where they wound up the fact the people didn't want them there. In the first place all the different things these women have done with their lives in the outside of tennis and what they've managed to pull off this is one of the most amazing stories and like <unk> a decidedly american story writes rags to riches types they out here hitting tennis balls out a shopping cart incompetent because their dad had a vision and he was going to raise two great tennis players and gang bangers rolling pass being like oh keep up the good work and all of this stuff and they got to wear they are a y'all here rooting footer russian lady who ever you happen to be though what how people about waving at u._s._a. and f- flag and everything else y'all here rooting for russia uh against the most american story in sports that we could think of people holding up russia as a rival to american dominance when the hell did y'all start art doing that an answer. Is you started doing that. When russia looked like this and a miracle looked like that it's y'all's fault serena be make girl cry all right. It is the finale alley for us here on the right time booklet. Thank you so much for everybody who's read. Everybody was sitting questions. Everybody who has contributed <hes> you can check us out again at the hashtag the right time time book club in case you want to catch up and our book this summer was jim brown fears life of an american hero by mike freeman and with that in mind signed joining us today on the show is the author of the book. Mike freeman mike man. I i wanna tell you why i chose this book. I read the book when it came came out and i used it when i taught a class at duke a few years ago on the black athlete in america and i found it to be very interesting and very even handed but part of why i wanted to revisit this. This book was with our changing attitudes in public about matters particularly about violence against women and domestic domestic violence that jim brown. We've known this about jim brown for a long time just taking it as part of the jim brown story but it was kind of interesting to read bag now as our sensibilities of kind of change but the jim brown story stays to say you know well. I i wanna thank you for doing this. A lot of appreciated is really just terrific that you do this so thank you first of all and and one hundred percent correct it's it's changed our sensibility of have changed dramatically and you know the one thing looking back on it. The book is hasn't word hero in it. I don't know if i will use that word now. In fact i probably wouldn't in fact sherwood. That's how much i think things he's have changed and you bring up a good point that we always knew this about brown. <hes> and this goes to i think the fault of of men and how myopic we can be an even men who think they have some sort of understanding up domestic violence who think of themselves as good men who think of themselves as men that sympathize and empathizing protect the woman and they'll circumstances but even men like us think of ourselves that way have huge holes because we're men because we're taught by society of certain way and and even if you are open minded and think a certain way in our in our progressive yours you still have a huge hole so in the book i talk about y. Call me a hero but it was looking back on it. It's just there's no way i should have done that and and everything that's happened since i wrote that book has dramatically altered our society also how we think of things and ultimate how i think of written this book it's i i love revisiting it because it makes a look back on it and you rarely get times on life to just sort of look back on something and say i'm going to correct this. I'm gonna think of it this way. I think of the differently and that's what i've done with this book so appreciative of you for that but it's it's their parts of it that look at i go. I would have done that very differently. There's very few books. I've written. We're done that or columns or there's parts of my life. I like to revisit but there's very few books and things have written that i revisit because i'm like this is how i feel field and sincere heart but this one of a huge one of those times. I wish i did not use that word. I don't think he deserves it. <hes> and i think there are there are aspects aspects of him that are absolutely great but i mean and just real quick like if you look at jim brown's life <hes> you know we're talking about the one domestic violence that's part of it and the there's another part of it that is just to me just looking back as a stack. I mean jim brown goes to syracuse and is a very openly pro proud african american man who was when he goes to searchers. He was told that he couldn't date white women why he was there. He played lacrosse. He was he was a he talked about racism openly to people on campus to other people he was shot in any way about being a proud african american man he goes to the browns late fifties early sixties n._f._l. Still has quotas unspoken of but they were locked in place that you can only have three to five like players on your team's brown railed against that publicly not privately not he did it publicly and helped. He helped change that policy very slowly he goes to hollywood. He's the first first black action hero. He fights for the rights and talks again. Openly about black people not having opportunities in the movies he goes to l._a. Brokers peace between gangs. He probably saved not not in not underestimating in any way he probably save hundreds of thousands. Lots of gang members like this jim brown. We're gonna listen to him. He brokered peace house. You'd have met his house. I can't even look at the jim brown now and i got kenny any recognize him. He doesn't look anything like the guy that's spent years of my life studying and writing about and think of him a certain way way. It's i think what years do they fade. Sometimes they change this for the better or sometimes it seems for the worst brown is just all over. I mean he's hard to really just put into any kind of categories always been that way but especially now i mean this is the picture of him with connie west in the white house. It's just staggering. I mean i can't people listening. I can't have enough how dramatically different that is from thirty forty years ago with jim brown <hes> so this book sort of to me just sort of <hes> it's one of the things it's sort of an example of how we all change enj and how times change and how some things sort of stay the same sort of we we just don't recognize him anymore for <hes> and this is this is examples. I mean it's just crazy so something's happened. Wrote the book but it's this is one of those examples you know the term hero and you did explain in the book. It was a very provocative thing to do in the title but i also thought it was very intellectually compelling at the time that he came out because like i've said for a while now we got a. I don't know what we're gonna. Do is media when jim brown dies because there's no simple encapsulation like there's no paragraph that you can write that spells this out and so at the time of the writing and i also thought it was interesting to me in reading back the book having now read it in about ten years the tone that you took when talking about the things they the the violence against women those things you didn't really you didn't pull any punches like you didn't in spare him. It wasn't as though you wrote it just like we did this one thing but yeah whatever like i thought you were very direct about it but we did treat that as just kind of part of the narrative heritage because that's what we've always done when it came to jim brown and i don't know like jim brown came around now i don't think we would be it would be possible to do that in that way. Which would then be interesting. Because what would we then say about. The unquestionably great works that he did. That's a really really smart. Point and jim brown came around <music> now <hes> he. I don't know what it when he when he arrived on the scene especially when he got to the browns obviously dramatically atika different america and and he was one of those guys that's all all the racism and was like screw this fighting it. He thought it very publicly. <hes> not just with words but with deeds <hes> he started the was later called the black economic union that picture that connectivity with him and then who else cinder <hes> all a bunch of the black star athletes at the time <hes> they were defending muhammad ali decision not to go into the draft that picture <hes> people should go google if they're no no i'm talking about. It's it's a beautiful picture but it's all because of jim brown jim brown organize the whole thing. You've got all the black athletes <hes> there to defend mohammed ali. That is a very powerful thing all the things he did <hes> like that. We're very very powerful but i don't know it's different times. It's hard to just go to draw a straight line <hes> but it he now. I don't think the jim brown with his domestic. Violence history would would be able to exist. You wouldn't have the power to do it which is ironic because <hes> we we didn't give domestic violence and of weight and in some ways we still don't but especially when he was coming of age and the and not giving the domestic violence that weight allowed him to be powerful allow them to be very powerful strong black man and now we do give domestic violence that weight as we should we condemn people who committed it as we should but that also would weaken the jim brown today and it has so when you bring up a really excellent point about how we describe him and how we write about out him and with that what their core graph a couple of graphs would look like it would be all over the place because they were part of him that were absolutely great and there were parts of him that were absolutely dreadful and and then between most of us are like that not to those extremes but most human beings do some some things that they're not proud of and things that are proud of and things that did really well and they don't do well but he was he was those those those extremes on both i mean he was polar opposites and he would do some remarkably brilliant smart aggressive things to help people of color and then he would do things that undermine that but i don't think the jim brown today would have the standing to do that with his domestic violence history so it'd be a completely different. Jim brown l. today but he came along at the perfect time for him came onto the perfect time for sports professional sports for the civil rights movement he was a he was an an athlete who understood how to use his power of an athlete to to better the positions or try to the positions of people of color. He understood that impressed it so it was a different time for him. No question and it's all wrapped up in his refusal. His uncompromising nature's refused to apologize all all of that which leads to the positive things but of course then compounds the negative like i was thinking about this when john newcombe of for pitcher of the dodgers died <hes> not too long ago and i and i read something about him that i did not realize that he had savagely beaten his wife while he was the player he was also a raging alcoholic and but you could find the quotes of him saying i was a drunk in an awful man then and i did awful things and that's not the deepest sentence in the world but that's kinda the sentence that people need to hear and that's something that jim brown could various busy at eighty years old at this point could very easily say as i did some awful things but he has denied all of them and i. I don't think there's a i read probably ninety nine percent of the stories ever written on them spent years that was so much of the research is reading reading stuff about him and about some of these really horrific incidents and i don't if i remember correctly. I don't think i ever saw him. Apologize wants. It's on about any of that. <hes> going back two decades ago when he was he had these issues he was on trial and in cleveland wants for it's for domestic violence for salt <hes> he going back all the way back then. I don't think i ever saw him say you know i'm sorry i shouldn't have done that. I don't it's not it's it's all the strengths he has <hes>. That's is one of his greatest weaknesses and i think it's a weakness of of your person who can't don't have introspection. Look back at your life and if you're a public figure publicly say that what i did was wrong <hes> and when asked about that's that's a you know an inherent weakness to me. You need to have introspection. You're not going to be perfect and you look back at your life. You try to get better and make things better are he. Doesn't he didn't do that. He's unapologetic in every way. Some of that is beneficial. Some of that is really bad. I mean you know you do some of the things he did. You just just say i shouldn't have done that. I'm sorry but he will not do that. I don't think he's ever done that. I may be missing something but i don't think he's ever done that and he never will. I don't think till till his dying day. Will he ever do that. It's just not his nature. He sees it as weakness and more within anything what he wanted to be about was dominating dominating culture dominating the era dominating the football field dominating the locker room dominating women <hes> that was who he was he is he's unapologetic for it. It's one of his weaknesses but that's who he has been his entirely one consistent part of him. We talk about all these different ups and downs. He's different polar opposites. The one consistent part of <hes> is not apologizing and just moving forward and just just bowling people over <hes> so that's who he's always been. I think that's who galway's be juxtaposed against his belief in his own honesty right because that's what he's one of those guys that brags who's honesty's his big thing but the thing he's not to be able to be honest about as himself and one of the things about him that i i always found really interesting was just the how he took what he did on the field and just took it off the field <hes> in every aspect of life like on the field he really enjoyed just beating the crap out of people and people have taken their best shots at him at him keep going and he took just vicious shots. If you look at some of the tapes he would just say i mean it is just so much smaller than him but it would be like four or five guys taking the shots play after play after play <hes> sometimes five for six seven eight shots in one run. It was crazy so his thought was. That's how i'm going to be off the field off the field. Take always wanted. I mean he could be a little thin skinned sometimes but mostly he was tough and he he decided i'm going to be tough and no one's gonna get to me. Knocking apologize not gonna do anything but be tough. That's who i am and and on the field officer work really well off the field of work certain aspects and it didn't work in certain aspects of it was virtual now. I think i was always curious about when you were writing the book. What did you come across in the process. They really had you like wow. I had no idea this until i started doing the research. It was a hollywood stuff. <hes> you know we look at when you look at movies now. There's like people of color that are stars all over the place. <hes> i mean people inherently know this but it was just when when he came about it was just stark the lack of people of color in hollywood not just on screen obviously the screen how racist hollywood still was when he got sure and the the interracial kissy had with record welsh <hes> one of the first it was a huge deal <hes> but it was what was what made it really significant and what made jim brown in hollywood really was just how <hes> he was the first black action hero but he was just the first guy that would openly and constantly talk about race and you know like you talk about race. Now people why race shut up about race <hes> and you're sort of people try to back you down and and keep you from talking about and do and then much much more hostile a he didn't care and he would he would do interviews with with hollywood media and talk about then inequities in hollywood and and the other thing is he made a lot of movies movies <hes> he made a good dozen movies and and one of the things that really surprised me the most that they were all bigtime profitable he made movies and people went to see and people went to watch them a lot of people did and they were profits while he's able to keep making taking them he was able to just would people really liked him. They liked what he wasn't screaming like his personality like they use a tough guy <hes> so that the hollywood part of it really really surprised me wasn't anything because i knew he was in holland. I didn't know what to that extent. I didn't know he was he was that well liked by particularly african american movie goers. I didn't know any of that and that really really stunned me because there was very extensive so i didn't i didn't i didn't i know about any of that. I mean some of our know about a lot of it and he was. He was very very powerful player in hollywood. It's done you know the hollywood. Stuff is tied to an n._f._l. Story story that's out now with andrew luck retiring suddenly as he did which was shocking but can you give people perspective that you got into in the book of just how shocking days it was to be like hey man. I'm over here making dirty dozen. I'm going to stay if you if you take andrew luck and multiply. I buy like a thousand. That's what it was in the n._f._l. Itself in the league itself people were <hes> just absolutely stunned around. He was dominating the league. He was young. He had at least another five years. No one saw it coming. You didn't really tell anyone about a really he didn't tell the browns about until very late <hes> and he was he was as dominant force in the history of the league as you'll ever i see and he left at the at the very height of it and he went and when he retired he's shooting the dirty dozen the movie and he's standing in. There's the scene of him when he's talking about retirement or any standing from this prop tank and he's talking about i don't need. I don't need football. I got the m- i save up my money honey. This is bigger. I can have more influence doing this and at the time that wasn't really people thought that was just dumb. Why are you leaving. The sport. It wasn't football wasn't obviously what it is now but it was still very influential and the way he was dominating it so much people i thought going to the movies like that was stupid and of course he was because he's a very smart guy. He was to head of people he saw how he used his influence in football to change things and to draw attention to race relations. He thought he could do the same in hollywood bigger scale and he was also ahead of his time in terms of the physicality the toll on his body he he was before people were even talking about this stuff talking about concussions head injuries the long term effects x of football and he was just didn't wanna do it anymore and that way it was a lotta as the head of his time but that way also have time he understood and studied but it did to the body he he just really took it to heart and just said i'm gonna make movies and at the time it was just i mean what what happened to andrew luck. Now is nothing compared to then. It was a huge national story than all across every aspect of the culture from news to sports to hollywood to everything there was a monumental thing what waiting to and if people thought that andrew luck they were entitled to andrew luck entertaining them. God knows what they thought. They were entitled to from jim braille. I gotta say i mean i. I'm really shocked anymore. I'm sure you're not either like we've seen a lot of stuff. The entitlement people have towards look just just like that. He just done me. I know i shouldn't be you know and i know i shouldn't be stunned. I still like people blowing him. People saying think on. I'll just be blunt. Usually i see that with african-american athletes how people think they own them right this is this is one of the first time i saw with a white f. and and it was still i've seen it before title spill stunning just watch people people think they have some sort of control or should have some sort of control over the life of an athlete like you watch them and you see them on sunday something you think you have you control them and they don't do what you want then. They're mad at you that i mean. If you really just thinking about that in a vacuum it's really unbelievable arrogance stupid but that's a lot of people think <hes> and brown again when he when he did it they were there. Were a lot of really the angry fans <hes> you can imagine some of the things they were saying about brown and the and and he didn't care and he just walked away he didn't care and he you know in retrospect he still considered by a lot of people the best player of all time and he's still has other marks in the culture and society and history. He obviously made the right decision because he wanted to do his body but you also made really services because he had an impact on multiple fronts he wasn't he never saw himself as just as a football player so and so for someone that can change or talk about changing things and he's able to do that in hollywood too so in the end. It was a smart decision eight. Oh i kind kind of wrap this up. I want to at first. My thought was asked questions so they would do. We say about jim brown now but i wonder if the ultimate lesson is we gotta learn to say more things about people pull because we were like we're not going to get that core paragraph. That explains what he is like this. This is a guy who in retrospect when it comes time to sum this all love is going to be like hey go ahead and eat. This is my take off really really good point and i think the way to answer that is <hes> <hes> in our profession sometimes nuances missing <hes> sometimes we depth dismissing with brown. You're going to have to sort of say some really uncomfortable things while pointing out all the great things they're going to be multiple fronts for to write about with him and have been for decades they will and they will continue to be that way he will he. He hoped defined national football league. He helped define what you mentioned a black actor yup to find those things he also helped <hes> define in a lot of ways or point out our weakness when it comes to addressing domestic violence. I think that's changed a lot. So now we're armed especially men with the sensibilities so when you look at his legacy sensibilities that we didn't have twenty years ago we have now it will cast his is legacy in a completely different light and they won't be very very good things and very very bad things and your point is really well taken because that that's okay i mean and not the domestic violence for obvious isn't okay but are addressing the weaknesses of human beings is what kind of what you should do when when you're doing these types of evaluations of a guy i mean this is this is how you address a multidimensional person because most people that way multidimensional he's very much that way so it's okay to talk talk about an encouraging talk about his weaknesses because humanizes amin humanizes us <hes> but it it. That's gonna be his legacies legs. He's gonna be very very complicated and and someone's going to be very ugly and somebody's gonna be really remarkable but this is who he is. He's always been dan. This is jim brown this is this is the guy who helped define a league of define the sixties and seventies of hollywood <hes> help broker peace between gangs help do all these different things and also had this really ugly side so all of that's going to be accounted for. We'll all be talking about that forever. All of it comes into play and that's where it should that is mike freeman. Check them out at bleacher report. He's also the author of of jim brown fierce life of american hero. That's the book we did this summer and i think we all had a great time going through what we did the book club last summer and it was good but i think this led to a depth after discussion with all the people that we had all. I thank you for contributing that piece of work sir. I thank you really appreciate what you're doing and and you just wanna motel to gaza. The business will keep doing what you're doing and really appreciate your thank you mad. I appreciate that ladies and gentleman. 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#288 - Cereal Just Got More Poisonous

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#288 - Cereal Just Got More Poisonous

"What the fuck that would you throw a piece of a couple of noodle. Okay cool i frank. i'm doing. He's you know taking a day by don't you love those like Day by day lilla dream. Yeah and it's like you can sense the harm and hurt and pain. Anyone who's telling me they're living the dream. They really is not going not doing well. I have like a different points in my life. I have like different. Like what's the like. I live living the dream. Or you know this is paradise. That's my. that's a big one. in paradise. paradise is one of mine. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question right. Forget about living paradise but like you are a like a. How do i explain. I hope in a nice way like you. Dad's talked to people like in other words. You're one of those guys yet. But you know what i mean. So which one do you use. Because i was just in vermont with our friends aspo gigantic boss guy. All boss. Boss buddy do chief. Chief chief is much his out of control. I mean your dad was chief and coach. A lot of my dad was coaching. Your dad was coach difficulty. Everyone coach at the gas station filling up coach. She called your mom john for years. He did he did. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense what's going on. Boss boss volumes. Hey how's it going behind at subway on bus Boss i said. Why did you go with an accent on the bus. There's racism say bossard or buddy. I think buddy. I didn't think about this. Is i what i know. I've worked with so many different fucking people and had to bullshit but so many different people that i've learned how to fuck in like how to talk to different people. You know what i mean. If you're an old woman. And i meet you. I'm fort with your heart. Your heart flirt. Oh gladys you're glowing. I'm talking to an old woman. Who's clearly in her sixties or seventies and she'll be like back in my day. It was like what nine hundred ninety nine off. You got it. You know what you gotta play the game baby. Yeah that's it. That's why that woman tried to nail you at a wedding dude. I almost fucked at that wedding. Frankie like was dancing with an old woman and then she pulled you in and said let's get. Let's get naughty or let let's get she raunchy. That's let's get raunchy. She got banged by an old woman. Dude this woman. I swear to god time and place and the time and place was five minutes to like the side of the dance floor. It wasn't that far or yeah no way she would have pegged me yeah. There's no doubt in my mind. But i was like i fucking party guy. You find an old woman you're dancing. You didn't know this woman you know there's a dance for and i got drinks at me on it with an old woman on my arm i'll give a fuck. Who's there because it was one of those like it was one of those dance parties. Like my family. You're really haven't been to a party with your family. Because i don't get it but like family. My family like the lake house people. This dance floor. You don't need to worry about people getting on it. People are getting out there. Yeah yeah you know. I don't know if your family's like no. Yeah okay good but like this was one of those weddings where it was like. Someone had a break. The ice gotcha and like drink. They had to be real drunk before they got into the fucking dance floor. That was up there. As soon as i got there i was. Oh don't go man. go pets pat. You don't know what you're saying. And i'm a big like whatever song is playing you dance to that song. Of course they played with the fuck dances to different songs. Frank no no. What i'm saying is like everyone will just be here for like. Oh yeah good. Like brown eyed girl and bruno mars and then they'll stay here forever right fucking. Bruno comes back being secretary. Yeah fucking brown. Eyed girl comes on and you know like you got a little sore. No one was on the dance floor. So i was like i'm gonna fuck and tear this busy just use grabbing a woman like sitting down accident florida. And it's just one of these like you pointed. She invited you and then she got up and just a little dance. Nothing crazy when she limber. Could she move surprisingly when you look at her. You'd think that a fucking huffing blow away will knock renown down right. A jetstream will knock those old bitch on our ass jetstream. I mean you just need a simple fucking gust from a pigeon. And she's going she's going to downtown. Yeah but then she left for a little bit and then she came back later. That's when i knew i was in trouble. Because she fucking grammy tight she probably like popped up like a woman viagra whatever the thing like red choo choo who are friends of the show are they. I don't know if today not today the normally they are whatever free plug. It's like the woman one is. It doesn't get your penis heart. It gets your johnny wet. Johnny is right. I haven't heard johnny and so long automating. This is you. Get johnny flowing. Just open up the car. Wash exactly exactly right back down to niagara on the machines on so i assume like she came and she grabbed me. And that's when she said just like let's get raunchy. Does she whisper that. She say it she said here. She said it with gumption. She said it with fucking power force. She had a lot of force behind those lips. Nice yeah so you didn't fucker though. No well i'm just saying no i don't know what it is. That older women have a thing for me. Maybe because i flirt with them. That's it can be found it and you know what i mean founded. That's not the first time an older woman is like tried to like finger bang me. I don't know if i've ever been accosted by an older woman. It's not the right word. Hello william shakespeare. What the fuck. Yeah the term. I don't know. I don't know what that means. It just felt right. But i don't think an old woman is ever ever done that because you're not what i will say this your more like when you drink. You're like me when i'm sober. What when you're sober. I got many many faces you do. I know i've seen them all. But when you drink you become more you come out of your shell little more normally not reserved but like hey. How's it going. You'll talk to people but like the big loud fucking vivacious. Right drinks are coming gets turned up to thirty. Yeah and and sometimes you get to forty. And then i have to pull you aside. You've stop it. You're starting to make me fucking reckless drunk. I always know what i'm doing. And i'm always a fun time whether your definition of undermined is the the difference. I'm sure you have fun. Ohio so so i mean i will say that one time in texas. I pissed people off but it was a hilarious. He ruined a hula-hoop who gives a fuck. It was a who copy or adults. Don't have hulu competition that's fair but you it was a. We did go to that place because they had a slide and i was fucking battered and bruised. Because of that's lied boroughs a hard slog slider like to like slide down. This was massive. Yeah and it was just like like fiber glass so you didn't like slide on it you really have to throw yourself down. Yeah it was. It was something which i did quite frequently. Yeah and i. I remember when we were there. Some kid notice me and bought me a drink but it was. It had some like really sexual name. Like it was like a deep throat ocean. Or something. Like that. And i'll i'll take that and then i got it and it was like blue when i was like whereas. Here's the ocean where the deep throat. I don't really know yet but it was. It was good. It was it was a lot of alcohol. I bet. I mean deep throat. Yeah i don't know man good old times maybe anyway. I can't wait to get drunk at a party with you again. And things are safe here. He goes want handful can can you guys don't know this was involved in a patriot episode so if you want more context as to why this is here you go check out. Patriot dot com slash. The basement yard join today not only get access to every weekly episode a week in advance but that next year that little bitty detail that the little itty bitty titty exclusive content. That people don't always get to see so you can check it out now. Those exclusive episodes. Why are you presenting that like. Because i'm hoping general mills gives us like thousands of boxes. Well they probably won't can have that dot com. This used to be my favorite cereal finds a not because anyone straight balls. Oh yeah the balls fucked it up for me. They had bring back tricks yogurt. All go gertz. No well are. They owed animals. Y'all ricardo used to fucking have mad Dan animals ricardo had at all. I actually the other day. I had a ham and mayo sandwich. And i was like yo ricardo usa crush ham and mayo sandwiches. 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When we were at his place a lot they also had a dope basement with a pool table. Remember that you didn't go enough. You send a bitch. I guess not but anyway he was also super smart super very smart. I assume still he was the male jane. Yes people you know. The the legend of jane alleged of jane the smartest woman across the land. Also the next andre agassi. that's it three one sharipova. There you go. She was very good at tennis. Yes she was very tall very smart trifecta pretty fast too which is like money. When you're young wasn't the fastest one. I remember there was another girl. Jamie was fastest. Jimmy was too. She was like all fast and she was smart velociraptor. Yeah that's why. Joey was in love with her right. And then there is. Loren loren was fast lawn very tall and she could dribble to this girl. She could put it on the floor. This duncan still a one hundred. Yeah what did i just say. I don't know i'm not quite sure. Okay anyone else. Who was like a really good ethnic man. 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George maybe not. I came in fourth grade and him. And i were pissed at each other because i had iverson sneakers and he also had iverson sneakers pam. I don't i was pissed at him. And here we go back to talk. Also get fucking. No one's gonna understand before. Wait so if it's not tricks which cereal boat they're coming harbor. I would say it's probably. I don't know if i'd have a favorite i. There's like cap'n crunch. There's fruit pebbles dash it dash and then there's like zero that's been in the news. Cinnamon toast agata down those anymore. Yeah so apparently There was a someone posted on twitter. A picture of their box of cinnamon toast crunch opened it and it was like shrimp tales in it and like there was like shrimp tales. String yeah yeah. We'll tell you their response not really good. Hey cereal company food company if someone tell you. There's something in their food. Don't gaslight him and say they're lying well. yeah that's bad. that's also for them to be like. Oh no those are ingredients that have mixed in yet. Don't tell me that he was like. Oh we believe. It's just large sugar and cinnamon clump and it's like us. Your is in the in the v shape of a shrimp tail. Like if it was just the shape. I would understand. But that's a like it's it's translucent. Red it's like. Yeah there's like an exoskeleton. It's pretty clear that that's not shrimp. I'm never by some and tells crunch in see. I feel the opposite. Oh really i feel well. I don't feel the opposite. i'm not going to go buy more. But i'm going to eat it. You said no. Yeah i did. But i'm saying like you're going to be like those people with the dr seuss books. Where like. let's them all because try to cancel. Dr seuss no. I just feel like. I have went twenty nine years without one shrimp tail. That's fair that's fair. Have you ever had anything in like your cereal or or anything that you can think of hair. That's not that bad hair in food gets a bad rap. It's just hair just hair. Like if it's coming from penises guys different. Different hairs trash. Not good had hair though. What was that movie. She's all that where he puts his pew on the pizza. That's a little heavy. That is a little heavy. I would not be happy about that. But like if it's like a long hair just picking up just picking up air. I've never gotten hit like if i'm at a restaurant and get food. That has hair in it. I take the hair out continue. You're not sending it back. What are they gonna do all through it. That's when they're gonna go. That's when they're gonna put more hair in it that's gonna rub their or they're going to put poop in it they're gonna put pupil saw. Have you ever thought about if someone is spit in your food. I'm very easy irish dude. If some i've done your where those multiple times be the wrong thing and you're like thank you so much and i'll eat it every single time unless it's something that i don't like like if i order like oh man i really want a. Let me get a hotdog easy example. You're gonna restaurant online. Let me get a hot dog. And they accidentally bring me a hamburger and they don't be like oh sorry. I thought you got if they don't do that. They're just like oh here. we go. i'll just go. I'm meeting this. That's it i. This is the kind of person i saved. Sorry i have very rarely been like. Oh can you cook this a little more. I don't think i've ever done. It would have to be fucked up. The only time i will do that is with chicken. Chicken scares me. I'm terrified to chicken dude. If you give me a steak. And it's a little undercooked i'm happy. I don't like it does medium rare like my anyway. so a little undercooked. I'm okay but if there's a little bit of pink chicken i'm fucking burning that place to the ground like that will be upset but like i don't think it had anything in my cereal or like those people that are like. Oh listen. i'm sorry. But i said no pickles off off. I mean i remember when i was younger. I hated onions. I hated onions. Robbers younger so whenever i would go and still muster but whenever i would go to like a fucking fast food joint i would say no onions. I'm allergic i'll die. Oh cool. I understand if people are like yeah. If there's like pickle residue like i'll fucking blow up and die you know but like our people allergic to pickles. People's always just everything people gotta be allergic to pickles. Beccles right. I don't know i gotta be. I love a good pickle. i'll suck. Oh i sucked the life out of paddock. Who pickle When i was up in vermont really pickles in vermont. I da- pickle is good. That's individual pickle. where's your from. It would came with food. Oh so you don't know if it was for mont pickle for it was like a fucking like nebraska pick well. I don't think they're importing my you never know. I don't know picks pickles being allergic to pick data. I understand if like. It's like an allergy thing but if it's just like a personal preference like fucking grow up. Yeah i i have no preference order if you don't listen to me bad for me yet but i'm gonna eat it also bad for them. You know you know that they suck. I really don't like very easy. Different which sauces. Like if i don't say and that's the thing to if i'm going to get this. What catch up and they put like barbecue sauce on it and be like i'm just eating this sort of arson thing. I but what kind of sauces are you talking mustard. I'm still gonna eat it really. I am no looking. Hey mustard. y'all like people are just like i remember one time i got a burger. And there's someone's like wipe it off. You can't mustard. Is there once it's there. It's fucking there forever. it's hard to get off. Can't do anything about it. But like this people with the cinnamon toast crunch. They're in trouble. They're probably not because it's probably like the most universally loved cereal. I don't agree with that. I think everyone talks about cinnamon toast crunch being like their favorites. Okay it fox You know the milk. It's not everyone slow the role. It's not the best serial. What's the best serial repel or lucky charms. lucky charms. No it's not. It's the how fucking lucky charms joey franken. You're getting upset. How how was it not lucky charms because without the marshmallows. It's nothing will then then. It's not lucky charms. You can run out and also you grew up in the same kind of house i did. Were motherfuckers picking out marsh. Those bad boys out but he's fucking bowl of cereal in the morning. Like a god damn candy. You're king of kandy keats santa. Let me tell you that kid. I'm shocked he doesn't does. He have diabetes not mine house good because he's a fucking walking science project. Yeah it's i mean. We'll we'll discuss this of patriot episode but that's the other thing of shrimp not might not my cereal. I don't even think. Shrimp is that good. Like do you think it's like a great thing like there's always i always good like whatever c like. I don't think that because without like the lemon and the daesh or whatever else you put on it then that makes it like. This is a tasty little snot when you call it snot. Then it's disgusting. Well if you just eat like a choice sir by itself. It's not like it's the most flavorful thing in the world. it's good it's thought salty and chimney. I will say. I had without a doubt the worst way to have an waster in my life. What does that mean shooter. That is no people. Make shots and put an oyster in it so like one was made for me normally. It's with vodka. But one was made for me with sam buca sambuc and then they just put an oyster in the cup. Yup that's discuss y'all it was the worst thing gavin. I know you're not watching it sucked. That's terrible it was fucking awful. It was so bad. What is our even want to know. I like a shell like to have the shell. There's cool just by itself. I like slurp out the shell you know what next time you come over noises. What was that. Yeah yeah cinnamon toast crunch. People are fucking like y'all like we don't know. Have you ever tweeted out of food. People like something happened. I've definitely done that to airlines. And nothing's come of it. You remember back in like twenty tweeted at fucking taco. Bell tweeted back at you. Oh yeah that was like tirol. That was the first time that i ever went viral. And it did nothing for me. You know that that's true. Talkable made this But no i tweeted at taco bell. Because i used to do late night. Taco bell runs all the time. When you're a kid and your body's just like do whatever you want you can eat nails and we'll be fine taco bell. Yea go fuck in doritos locos arenas lost is the best thing they got the soft i would get a saw a couple soft tacos yup and then get guys saudi. What case okay. I was going to say what a chicken case. And then i would blow it out with my ass for the next week during that time though i tweet at taco bell and i was like just got taco bell tonight like whatever they're like pumped like awesome. Joe what did you get. And i was like. I got diarrhea but it was worth it. Yeah and then. They didn't tweet you that and then they tweeted back to that and they said they said something like too much information or something like that they sit land taco bell though absolutely slammed up. This is before like like fast food. Twitter accounts fucking flaming people online. Yeah remember the wendy's which is going after people when he's going after mcdonald's. Oh yeah there was some beef. That wasn't even what i wanted to say. I didn't want to be didn't wanna make that joke your job joey. Where's the beef who has the beef. What is that no. We've got the beef meat. That's arby's and then where's the beef is the old i think it was wendy's back in the day. Where is the base. The woman old lady that he just sounded like a little kid. Where's the beef on. No that's just an old lady are have never had arby's before you neither me neither and my body's probably proud of me for it. What do they even sell meat. I know they have gyros. Like i rose idiots the call udalls. Listen were word from new york. We're from a story in new york. The biggest fucking greek place outside of greece. It's a gyro if uso fucking shut up. I've never heard a great person call. That's what i'm saying. Every greek person i know called a gyro. Yeah but yeah they got gyros and then they got like pulled pork sandwiches. I do but not army like long. John silver's like how. How do you get fast food seafood. Yeah that that's scary like these people like get filet of fish from mcdonald's what the hell is wrong with you. look man. Fish is something that you need from a trusted source of again with and if that trusted sources fucking mcdonalds. What about what about. Where do you stand on the mcrib. I've never had me neither but it's not ribbit can't be. It's probably like fibula tibia. They're both their whatever. One is longer than the other that helps. Yeah yeah so. That's what i think it is. But i've never had the mcrib before. Eat regular shit. Like i don't go to mcdonald's get salads. That's just to do that back in the day. Oh you're probably super healthy or like even when you would go to subway. It'd be like oh i'm going to lose weight. Just like jared. The boy toucher careful now for him. Fuck him yeah. He's probably someone. Someone is different. Yeah is he imprisoned. Big time yeah. I think so. Yeah you should be. Oh my god. Have you heard some of those tapes. Or whatever. Know what tapes. I'm pretty sure there was those those me. Yo what did you think they love. Subway was coming for us. We're gonna fuck you like these through bucket brick at the window number our guy. Monsoon monsoon wasn't his real name. I'm pretty sure we saw when we were kids. There was a taco. Nope when we were kids there was a subway right up the block from hanging out at it every day. For like not. Just like oh. Let's go lunch and hang. They're like four pm until ten pm at night a long time and we would always get free stuff from the subway order all right now what it used to be now. It's like i haven't had an accident not long ago. I probably had like twenty thirteen. Those last time. Like the last time i went to vermont. I got it and i fucking had food poisoning. Yeah chicken spinach oil and vinegar avocado right. Now it's not bad back in the day you ready for this Pepperoni provolone cheese. Okay shredded cheddar cheese. Oh my god host that bitch. Yep take it out take it out lettuce tomato cucumber pickles olives and doubt. I want that thing to be thousand oil and vinegar off. It is fucking sweden sweet onion chicken teriyaki evening that they remember that. I'll just go nuts with this fucking. It was like sugar. You used to do that with you. Also usually get chicken. Pto la's big chicken pizza chicken mozzarella cheese the cheese pepperoni and it was based sauce and the south. And joey i remember you eat it and you would keep it inside of your mouth when you would talk for like minutes and root beer bucks. Yeah dude that was joey. Fuck still. don't like root beer. But you guys would go you and keep you go nuts on parks root beer beer kind of. That's where the dawn of keith keith. the cookie man was remember that when we were sitting down and joe. Subways got fucking code. Those cookies are in to die for you. Put those in the microwave for a couple of minutes minutes. They'll come out black seconds. Nothing wrong coming up. Like i gotta make sure. I'm saying this because people misconstrue everything but we were sitting there. And we were eating and keith went like god his sandwich and eight and he got up and he was like off. I'm gonna go get a cook. Never mind i don't have any money left voice for. If i had money i would get a cookie. I'd get two cookies. Probably the white chocolate chip. But i don't have any money. But if i did if i did i wouldn't get exactly. He would do at a certain point. I was like you know keith. I'll give you a dollar a fucking cookie. Oh no no no no. No i'm gonna keep take the fucking dog. You're sure yes. Meanwhile keith like put food on my table for like a good six years. Because i didn't have a job when i was like young. Obviously he's had a lot of different jobs. He worked at a store for a while. Yeah i remember that. He worked at an after school program. Yup he was a teacher aide. Teacher's aid he worked Or else work. You know better than i do. He did a lot of stints at places always had the did you ever. I know if you did this for like a bunch of our friends worked at that fucking kid birthday place to work there. It was fucking awful. I never knew there was a kid. Birthday place down. There is fucking shady. It was in an area that by the way in. We call the dumps the dumps and there was like fucking like like uber. Deuba down there it was it was also right next to fucking truck depots and shit and it was like this is not a guerilla fucking pasta factory. Yeah but i remember one time. I was there. The one time i went and i was doing a birthday party and i was like probably like fifteen years old and i was like the fuck is going and they had this rock climbing wall. And there'd be like little kids like getting on the rock climbing wall climbing across. Make sure they don't fall off but then there's this one kid who looked ten years or like eleven which is like small. You grow a lot from ten to fifteen remember all that was but he was like a bigger kid and he was a fact port boy and he was on the wall. And i'm like if this kid comes off the wall. I'm not doing anything. Like i am going to be of no help here and it was tariff. I'm getting paid. I i didn't go back. I don't i work one day. I don't blame you. I would never have worked there. I remember there were times where we would go because they also worked like saturday and sunday mornings which i remember we would go out with danny and dumb. Like they'd come out with us and we'd be drinking and shit and be like yo work at four in them or like not for like seven in the morning. Like a suck. I gotta birthday. I got a pizza party to remember my first job now. It was off the books. And i worked at home. Jack doing what. I was like a groundskeeper at jack like you were cutting the grass law racist. Yeah the boss was puerto rican so can't be racist can't be but yeah i would like fucking like work on like the clay. Did you have a thing that you drove or did you have to share a tractor. That's fire i did and it also had the thing on the back of like drag the clay to make the fields like. Oh yeah it was. It was fun. Don't even know my first job was. I can't remember really you don't remember at all. I feel like i worked at a job dude. I can't tell you. One time. I quit a job by just never going back. Yeah that sounds. That's on par for what i do you. You're the king of irish and irish quitting. I literally have quit two jobs that way. Like tony does okay pizzaria. I worked there. But i was doing everything and then i didn't i was like oh i can't i was also the king of like if it was a nice day out in the summer and i had worked at. I'm in four. Yeah i would hit them up at the clock. Oh man i can't. I'm sick because we're playing basketball and mike fuck. This is fun and they'd be so mad at me. But i never got fired and then i was like oh i can't come in tomorrow or the next day. And they're like all right cool. And then i just never went back and then they called me. They were ben calling me. And i had just not picked up and then they then i finally picked up. And he's like the guy. Manager's name was charlie and he was like hey are you gonna come back and i was like. I don't think so. And he's like her is done and that was it you were done. Yeah and then i got. I got like basically fired from my other job. The other pizzeria because the guy on a motorcycle hit my car. And i drive anymore. I remember that. And then even right. And then i quit. I quit eventually quit a daily but that like a normal business quit and that was probably the only job where normally my dad didn't let me have a job until i was eighteen. Y he because my dad. He was afraid what you would do with money. Get my dad. Dropped out of high school when he was a fucking software and we always say. We'll think i'll tell you. Why didn't you focus school. Make money i already know you just said i thought you said you fucked a school. I didn't need school to make money. That would say fuck fig. I didn't need school to make mine so my dad always said to me. I want you to look at eighteen. 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I went to like i. I do a lot of driving you know and the park guards say parkway a lot of rest stops now and every now and then i drink water or something on the way here so i had to stop and use the bathroom. Did tell me how this motherfucker in the bathroom is just like. Oh what are you talking about. Oh he's taking a hardship. Do whatever he was doing he was fucking running like this really public. Was there other people in there. Besides you a lot. A lot of people had to have been a prank. I hope because this guy was clearly going through something in that stall so the standing or sitting. I didn't see his feet. I can't i wasn't watching them. Heard i just heard what was going on. I would have checked this out. This guy was experiencing the father son and the holy christ. Amen the holy ghost. That's his name. Holy christ i mean also him. Yeah but also the holy ghost yes. Why don't we do this. Sign of the cross but like why. Why is it father son. Holy spirit north south west east. I know you're asking the wrong girl. But why why the holy spirit. The west and east. Someone decided so joey. Actually i feel like we need a rulebook. Okay what do you. What do you what we need to make rulebook about what public bathrooms taking shits. Not just taking just for like in public bathroom. I've shit in madison square garden. That's horrible that's really. I had no choice bathroom and it was like one of those. The stall is like a trough no is that a p places a trough. No i hate those. Yeah i have to share the piss. Like i like. Give me some walls. I don't wanna see every dick there. Yeah i know. I said every see or to so so joey. We're gonna make the definitive. Did you make rules no. We're going to make definitive rules for public restroom etiquette. What kind of public restroom. We're talking about as adults or children as adults because kids can do whatever the fuck they won they do do wherever the fucking wine i remember being in third grade you walk in and everything's wet that's for. The parents are held responsible. So you know what. I'll put kids kids in here to you so we can say like what's okay with the kids you know. Okay okay all right. Joe you ready. Okay we're making a rulebook here okay. Public restroom rulebook etiquette pro-aggression medicate rulebook real shut up. This is what the people will take from here. I'm going to say this about public restrooms. Right go ahead go ahead go ahead do you know how dudes won't use the urinal right next to a guy we will. We might get to that. Wait are you going to do something or you want me just off the top. I'm god got something to do here. Oh all right. So the topic number one grunt. As i was talking this guy was grunted pretty hard. You can't be crunching what level of grunt though that is like okay. It's like gotta look like you're like oh my god different contexts. That's mon. yeah but it's it's kind of like you're nervous and you're scared you look so so there's a level of like fear that is like it should only be us here in this thing. That's fine okay. So so grunting. As long as it's basically moaning and like not everyone else can hear you. It's got to be just a just known for you're not going to fit all that on their. Don't worry about where i'm going to fit where i'm gonna fit it okay. So so you think that. Like a soft like okay. You're making sexual. I am news. What i went. Oh no that could be a sex thing. Oh no you never know something might happen. That might throw you for a loop. No oh i can't oh no of it. That would be like some role playing no. I'm under arrest. Oh take my. But take my but willfully joey okay. Is it an apparent right so grunting could be low and it could be. There needs to be a level of fear right. You're writing this for no reason. Grunts franken loves riding on dryer. Shit k. don't you know because you're just this is stupid now be low and with fear. Okay okay parents can be alone with. That's legible right. What else you got your bodily functions. So sometimes people go in there. You've talked about how a guy was just fucking pooping oh literally sounded like that like butthole sounded. So what's the level of control. You need to have over your bodily functions. I think that you can't just let poops like be naturally escorted out like i think you have to fight it onto a you need pretend like you're not you don't wanna be there like if you've got a big pook common you gotta like snake it out. Yeah you can't just go insane. You can't just let the shuttle launch. Yeah that's yeah. I mean as much as you can at least make the attempt so like you got a from the here you got. Oh yeah okay peculiar like leading some someone on the end of a rope and you're lowering them. You don't just go like all right just kind of lower. So you're playing a poop out of your body like yes. Okay all right. So what about forts farts are inevitable. But like what do you fight those two well. I don't set it off slowed so slowly lower frankie. This is so dumb slowly lowered poop and farts inevitable. But let's be let's be. Let's be gentlemen but well that's the other thing like some people think they get in the bathroom and it's like guy time campaign. That's that's a little crazy. I don't think people are allowed to do that in the bathroom. No it's too much so be respectful with your farts. Yet about burps. No just let them fi. Swallow your blue. Oh you can't burp. But the people that go into like you also spitting. Yeah people would spit in the bathroom spitting into a euro like fox wrong with you. Dude spit i. I'm going to work that out of your hands. No spit got it and you said the just like if they happen they happen but don't like donald them off. Yeah don't don't don't act like you're you know don't for the record. Don't go for record farts okay. So you want your joey. No you're writing this down for no reason. I won't just because. Joey wants control everything. You can't even read. That can stop. Don't go ahead. joey. Control all right. So that makes sense with the poops. Like just like hand anything when you get in there or do you like. Don't touch on. No i scrub in you scrub scrub out. Yeah i don't wash my hands before. Taking probably should though probably should wash your hands before you take a shit. I mean anytime. I go into a public restroom. I wash my hands. Someone blew my mind once they were like when i go to the bathroom even if i'm taking place in a public bathroom when i get in there i merely wash my hands and then i don't wash them on the way out. Well that's dumb. That's the dumb part. But they're like they walk in. I was just at like especially in public touching a bunch of things. If i'm about to touch my penis then it's going to get done. I'm going to get those germs on my penis. If i don't wash my hands. I if it s penis i get it. Oh yeah but if you're fucking wiping your poop. Oh yeah then you have to wait. But if you're taking a piss. Who said this. I don't even know okay but i was just like boom. I mind cause. I always just pee and then i wash my hands dirty my penis. Yeah because i want you wash your hands before you touch your because when you think about it. Dixon like just dirt girl do. Why do girls touch their point. There stream down. How did they do that. Don't like water benders. No i mean they just kind of they don't lean but it just comes out that way. They always like arch their back when they said in a toilet. They're always like like a secretary exactly like they're doing the sorority squat when they basically did you. Honestly that women had to sit at an angle to pissed moving on all right. Joey checking the stalls. If they're occupied do you look under. Do you look through the crowd under way. Too crazy louisiana cracking. You've got to crack it right. Yeah what if there is no crack. Do you knock or do you. Just look under big. Knock knock from faraway. You could see shoes all that. Sometimes there are deep stalls backing bathrooms. Are you going to complete concealed. There's some deep stall times and sometimes people don't like their feet to be shown so they like tuck it behind the toilet. Are you saying you do that. No so you saying they. They sit on it with their legs back. Yeah there are people that do that. People put their feet up. sometimes up what. You'd never see this. Who has shitting in an l. position people freaks. Maybe who was it. Someone i know takes a piece of toilet paper and throws it over the stall blocks crack so no one can see. That's very smart. That's psychotic too. That's very smart. People come in and look into the crack. You don't want him to see you in there. It's a small crack. You're not getting all never know people. People things happen in bathrooms. I guess but that seems like overkill to me. Nah doesn't seem like overkill. So you're going through cracks not under under you're putting your facing the ground that's that's dangerous. Yeah it's okay. You can't get close to the floor. Eye contact no contact. When we're looking at like i contact what's gonna you're gonna meet is someone intimate isn't it like an additional. Is it like a or just like a that. One which very quick i contacted you have to make it just like a. I'm in there. I'm looking at shoes on looking at shoes. Picking your is up. I'm gonna pick my. Is you honestly do you look at. If you're if you're in one of those troughs look at the dixie you what the fuck of course peripheral vision cox amen. It's weird about penises. When you know the route you're like you have to see them. We've talked about this ad nauseam. I don't know why but it's just kind of one of those things so I contact as as little as possible. Can't be looking around. A people may walk in and staring at you and be like dude relax. I going to piss like you're making me nervous. Well i'm not saying they're staring at you but you're not making eye contact that's weird but also if they're making eye contact everyone in there. It's kind of like if you ever been recognized in a bathroom. I'm sure have while i was away. I think i'd yeah. I was pissing literally pissing and someone was you. I think was out of giant's game really. Yeah thanks it was not cool. That would be i would. I'd rather go up the people eating dinner than peeing. Yeah it's a hard one. Okay q imagine through the cracking recognize. Okay so now. Here's the here's the one that you were going to say the room between stalls i. So here's the thing we go. All right we go to stall. There are no dividers because dividers. Make a big difference. Those metal dividers no dividers. There's four stalls and there's one guy in the middle like say there's five make it an number so they make it easy if there's four and there's two guys on the end do you go to the bathroom. One of the ones in the middle and yeah well no. That's different because you need to saying there's a guy and he's not in the one all the way to the left. He's in like the second to the left. So there's like two on one side of him in one on the other side. Yeah which one do you pick to. Obviously you go to the farther one or you like your your your bro time. P right next to him. No if i have the option. I'm not gonna pass right next to somebody but the idea that we have to be like one here. This one's closed one here. This one's close one. That's so dumb. Stand there in line and wallpapers. Even though there's two stalls open because their next to someone because what toil now it makes sense for corona. I get it now because of the pandemic not talking about the pandemic solidify pissing in their let. It fly on the flip side. If i'm pissing and there's multiple stores open and you come and stand next to me now. I feel like dating or something like what are we doing. Why are you right here right now. That makes sense. That doesn't make sense. You know i'm kinda. I understand where you are on that one. An act of love and war Yeah which sometimes can be confused. Never that baby. All's fair in love and more. I was trying to think of that. And i couldn't because you're an idiot roger that Rebecca just apparently supposed to be eighty degrees on friday eighty. You're damn right baby. Eighty era that is a reference to a drunk of in vegas with. No one will ever see. Joey asked me not to show anyone yeah. I don't like being seen drunk. That's okay then. You'd hate the videos. That i ever you let me tell you. I know you hate them. Would you rather mean to lead them. No they're not that fucking happen. Joey also have a picture of you completely naked leaning of my room in vegas man looking at the stay chitchat in a public restroom. What no no. Chitchat talked about the game. So your perfect example. You're at yankee stadium. One time. I was in a bathroom and i saw i also yankee stadium. There was a guy brushing his teeth in the bathroom. That's wild i was like. Did you sleep here. That's why they might. It was a night game. it might have. Yeah we they might. They might be a trucker. What trucker no they might be. That's crazy so no chitchat. No chitchat not talk to me. Not even like we're losing. I'm okay with that. And i'm okay with that if there's a tv or a sound from the stadium and oh what happened and people try to figure it out ok but you're at queens center mall and like people are just pissing in the bathroom. You don't wanna talk about anything to be very clear. Yes i would shit in my own hand before. I went into the bathroom at that. Why discussing that mall is little. And he's a little. There's glory holes in their stop. Let's go this girl that we know not you don't. I don't think you know her. I don't think he's gonna who do i know. But there's a girl that i know that works in like health care or whatever you wanna call that and part of her division was like finding gloria hold on yeah people get paid to find glory holes. It was like i would have been a fucking millionaire by like something s. td research. I think so. It was like there was one at queens center mall. Yoke people still use. Laurels i mean tails all time. I don't know if that fits. It absolutely does Resort as time. True as it can be work. Joe i let you go there to see if you had. It been avid some days. I do you know what i listened to this morning. That don't impress me much should up. That's ridiculous song. Fucking still slaps and the video. The video recently yeah. She's just driving a car through the desert and she you got it. Should ni- twain was a dragon. She was shit she writes. She's what she looks like. Now let's take a look. Let's take it looks good. does she. Nationality wayne two thousand twenty canadian. I what does that have to do with anything. I don't know you know what's funny. I was gonna say that before. I'm glad you did. Because i know that's what your response would have been. Oh yeah should. I still got it man. Fuck the she fifty. She's gotta be in her fifties right but she looks very inter- forties. She looks like late her that that do impress me. My s so no chitchat about like where you are or should i attain or should i should nitrogen the bathroom. I'll man all about it. Here's one i didn't write down. Glory hole. Do you report it to who. I don't know if it's like a target manager glory hole in their absolutely not. I would never snitch. Never snitch like that glory hole. No way i'd be site. Because i've never seen one why it would be like seeing a unicorn. Yeah i've never seen the glory ghost. Have i seen a glory hole. I don't know. I don't think so all right. Joey phone calls in the bathroom. Any phone calls in public. Like you're not about know why especially if you have bluetooth on and you have to tell you shop. Just shut up like just stop. I once bought a bluetooth with the gift card. I got for christmas. Yeah and and i was told that looked like a puerto rican taxi driver. Because i'd be like yeah. I'm getting the car. It was like a part of my routine. Like when i drive. I put the bluetooth in. That is amazing and will take calls. Yeah yeah it'd be like. Hey yeah absolutely was. I hate that shit. Happy we'll take phone calls. We'll talk mad loud and like just have no self. You also don't like phone calls. I don't mind phone calls when you're in public and you're talking on the phone super loud. I'm just like dude. Have some self awareness like no one cares. Yeah and you. also you're in store. you're waiting on sherry. I and i have to admit. I think the bathroom is the one place you can get away with it because it's like no one's like people are not trying to not listen. You know what i mean like. They're just like doing their thing in the bathroom in the bathroom. German bathroom only boston for like in public. Where you're just trying to like go about your life. I get that but when you're in a bathroom you're not trying to like do anything that you that you need to listen to. You know what i mean. I guess i just i think just what about people like if you like looking at videos on your phone thumbs up thumbs down. You're you're gonna be. You're only going to be here for a minute and a half. Just some people might be there. Well i mean if you're gonna take a huge bobst and yeah sure go crazy longest you've spent in a bathroom pooping not long. If you're like yeah you're pretty. You're pretty you're pretty slippery boy. Yeah in and out in and out not like you also wait to the very last second waiting to the poop is all like you know at baggage claim and then you go drop it off. Then we call the uber. That's that's pretty accurate. So i'm not in there very long all right. All right Kids kids kids. How much control. Our does apparently to have over them. Are they allowed to like kinda just like be reckless a little bit. What does that mean. Kids be kids in the bathroom. I've never even experienced this. Because you don't have kids. Joey but i also like you bring your kid like yeah if they piss all over the toilet do you. Aathroom any mistakes and a bathroom walkaway. Okay if you accidentally shit on the ground don't be a hero. Leave him but with your daughter. Where'd you go to the bathroom with her. Family bathroom does exist everywhere. A lot of the places i see. Now yeah yeah but if you had to choose the family bathroom you had to choose of male and female bathrooms. Oh i can't go into a female bathroom so you'd have to bring her in the bathroom. Yeah where where do you think. Do you think if i walked about the movie. Like fucking newborn. He's all right. No they're not going to say that the fuck do this works joey. I don't know why. I thought that would be more to that. I think it's the adult that makes the distinction of what bathroom may go into. Gotcha like if you had a daughter. You would go into a men's bathroom right if your partner had a fucking son. She would take them into the female bathroom. It's true you're not wrong. So kids just like just like let them do their thing not put them on a short leash. You're about putting leashes on kids. Children it makes sense. Let these children just run around like just like you know. Just i don't know. I guess i shoot spitballs. All right last question for the rule book etiquette rural books of public restrooms. What level of nudity is okay. On a man like member we can also speak for female brethren you know to heterosexual men speaking for women one of them's white. What a what. A what a what nudity. Like what are we talking about like pants on my ankles taking a yes throw them out through who the person or the pants both. Okay like kilolam. There's no reason for your asshole at a hit the wind unless you're buchen and you're also like within your your like in the wall at what age is being fully naked peeing like pants ankles peeing like no longer. Okay because like when you can put your own pants on no like a five year old think a five year old should still be like oh i gotta pee but i think i think it's different like if a kid did that you'd be like all right like our kid but like if you have a fucking like sixteen year old doing that dude even a ten year old. You'd be like what the fuck is going on really. Do i know someone that. I don't know what it is about this person. Every time they poop they need to get fully naked. I know people like or they shirtless. No i know someone that gets fully naked. That's a lot. That's it's such a hassle that's ridiculous and like imagine if you in your shoes off do all my god. Imagine if you're like in a suit. I'll forget otas. That's a half an hour of dressing. Yeah i agree. So you think no nudity. I think there's a lot like in a bathroom. There's an expectation that there's a little bit of nudity. Not like you know flashers. But i think that if someone's a little naked and you see it's like we're in a bathroom with the you know it depends what you're doing. I mean if you fucking if you have to do your thing. But the people that stand up fully in a stall and wipe their ass like standing straight up off. That's we're talking about jail pretending about jail now. That's probably where they got it from people who stand up and wipe. What a psychotic thing are you a wipe under wipe through the back but when you wipe do you go under or do you go around the bend around the. But how'd you even do under. Yeah but like you get Do you do that. No oh so like me this tough you can do it. My wrist would hit my whole your balls that too. That'd be nice balls. What is it you've ever that knows your favorite. Do you go now. We know those are the fuck and those. Those are the rules of the bathroom. Those are the rules the bathroom. Yeah and like listen. If you're freaked out about this nexus a guy get over it and girls girls. I mean they. Can't they don't have grow your girls. No those troughs. Now they don't girls competing troughs right if their core is strong enough to hold them. Tell themselves up like Like a gymnast. I don't think you know what you're saying. Yeah like a. what's that the. Have you ever seen a girl. P c. many garage have. Let's check that porn history. Boy oh no i. Don't watch piss sure you do. I don't wash pissed. I'm sure you do this. I remember i was in high school. And i saw a girl that i was like dating pee on the sidewalk and i was like this is done. It's not very graceful. it's not and i don't mean i know it's a double standard because i just put it just as is. I've had bad experiences. Oh my god that. I told you the story what there was one time where a friend of mine had called me and was like hey can you wingman this for me real quick and i was like okay so i come outside. And there's this girl driving in her friends in the backseat. The girl who's driving is one that my friend wants to hook up with. Whatever i get in the back seat quickly realized. This girl has been drinking. So i'm like. I'm driving so i kick her out of the front seat and i'm driving and then her friend needs to be It's one so were they no piss where they pink so she gets out and pisses publicly. Yeah and when she got in she was like oh guides over my feet and i was like oh. She peed on her feet. Apparently i when it hits the pavement. There's an explosion of people on the pavement. I get that so i was like. Oh my god. I what is going on here like it was just like a lot and that's probably why i'm like. Oh i can't because it ruined me. That ruined me. I gotta send you wanna piss the most business go crazy. I'm i'm saying i'm not gonna talk about it but at least fun patrick dirt. You're gonna hit here and hit the concrete going to spray everywhere. I know case. Like i said i know. It's a double standard and women. I'm sorry you're not winning this one pass. Don't hold it no. I think he should piss. Well you'll get an infection if you don't be is that true. I've held for a that times. Be like shocked. I don't think there have been like three times my life where i've been like if i don't like i have to peoria to get hurt. Yeah you said you pinch your penis right. i do. That's insane us. Hold it yeah. I'm scared that there was one time. It was really upset about this. I had a shaker bottle. Like when i was like super into working out and living by myself. See the correlation there i. I had a shaker bottle. That was in love with and i was driving here from connecticut when i lived in milford and i was like. Oh man i have to be in this and it was a shocker. I never was able to find a new one of those. I was so in love just going to wash it. There's panajot joe wash it. No it was garbage. It was fucking garbage. I don't know how i feel about that. I may have made probably drink out of something. I pissed in after. I wash have you. I don't think so it's a mental thing too. It's of course it is. It's not even just. If i clean it clean it p sterile isn't it and it off precious stones your h. point. I'm sure like i could like scientifically but mentally. Yeah you're checked out so far. Gone unbelievable comeback. Well that's it that's lovely. Where can they find you. Oh i'm sorry what was that. I was gone for a sec albers. 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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 2)

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

40:50 min | 1 year ago

Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 2)

"Travis yes. If you wanna see the last time i checked me to really video. Earth song will be it. This is it. He's like talking about earth and stuff in the song his title earth song although i gotta pull this back i want to look at how much this costs because it looks expensive. Ooh it's pretty good. It's pretty good at this footage of like the africans yes but it's like if the footage of like everyone indigenous people blah blah blah blah and they're michael jackson looking flawless nice. You know walking around going. Wait wait okay. I was dressed awfully nice to be plunging his hands in that muddy field. I'm sure there's a stunt double and cut yeah that's right. Serena took care of her business last night in a minute. I mean what what was it. It was fifty five minutes. I want to say that it was six. One six. One just absolutely destroyed sharipova. Let me describe the scene for you all right. I made myself a cocktail. Write a note fashion if you will so you know it takes a while right and i have those big ice cube maker things so i pour my go to drink. I'm sitting down. I was like and i had some more in the shaker. I never made it to the shaker. Travelers q. was still very whole like it was laughing early melted and melted it all. She beat her ass yeah well. I mean yeah and duh this is this is what happens happens when those two women played to their twenty in two thousand nine hundred put it this way the last time share pover- this is the truth. The last time sharipova pope beat serena coco whose plays today was in diapers. It's been like fifteen years. Yeah i mean i get the the word that we're seeing during the telecast last night. Was this rivalry. It's guys to stop. Stop stop. It's not a rivalry. It can't be a rivalry when one side is beat the other side nineteen times in a row. That's that's a mismatch. That's like an a major league team playing against a high school team. It's just it's it's not a rivalry just because they were both good at one point or another. They were never good at the. I don't wanna say they were never good at the same time. They were serena and sharapova. It's not a you know could no. It's so heavily tilted did toward serena that it's it's almost not worth watching is disrespectful is what it is like. I i understand that you know. Sharipova has five majors serena's one like five times as many major and and and i can't think of another it would be looking at michael jordan and going yeah you know reggie. Miller was your rival. It's like no regimen was a nice player but michael had no rival no and it's we're done with her right. I mean she she's fell out of the top top one hundred last night sharipova and just because we know her name doesn't mean that we have to keep talking. Keep them watching the match. I'm thinking why are we talking about her like she's a relevant person in this sport. She's she's not. Let's talk about serena that is certainly one aspect of the commerce. There was so many moments of shape though i don't know if you picked bernabe say that was happening. How about this. Here's a serena throwing shade at the chair umpire. Carlos ramos deciding not have pros ramose on a good thing. You really can't i. I don't know who that is. We're done right the ah. There really isn't too many things that are more dismissive slash awesome than who. I don't know who that is awesome. I mean how many we've seen jerry jones z. Coup but two straight up be like the umpired you yelled and got fine for last cheers final you all of a sudden like i'm sorry who now what what does this person do for a living amazing. The only thing that was more amazing and i'm not sure if anyone really saw imagine anything like that but sharipova was busted for doping and took and was forced off tour for some time and serena's husband were anti-doping t sir d. a. r. e. on his shirt during the match now that it's like the most beautiful subtle brand of that's subtle subtle because he's still were jacking. He was sitting here with the boat. What is certain subtle because you had to think about it this morning. No no i thought it was like a brand of clothing. It had been the dare that we see on the back of police cars member for a million years. They dare sticker with that right. I didn't tell them suggests say no right. Nancy reagan philosopher actually would have been a deeper shade of shade if he had just want a nancy reagan t-shirt just say how when it got me thinking travis because you're right she she's beaten down nineteen times in a row she owns her. Whatever but all the other you'd think about all of sports all the the other guys or teams that own people you know like the way that lebron james's own the toronto raptors are basically the eastern conference a decade and then the second he left. They took care the business. The second he left into trophy went to like another country. I guess that's true. You know we were talking about a little bit this morning. The one that immediately popped in my head was mike. Piazza roger clements as a base by because again it's always find guess sharipova and serena fond of this a little bit but it's always fun and when the guy on the receiving end of a mismatch like that is also really good like you said sharipova five majors and yet she so oh totally outclassed by serena roger clemens was the best pitcher of his generation. I think it's something crazy like seven cy. Young awards los angeles. Yeah i get that he was on everything fine. I personally don't really care because so as the rest of the league so whatever mike piazza used to wear him out he could not get mike piazza out and it got to the point where clemens did two things number one. He hit him in the crown of his helmet and i thought he'd killed him. When i get him out. That was a way to do it. I mean right on the mets logo. He hit him and it was one of those. I think mike piazza might be remembered that sound now. It turns lights out. I mean he was it was like a cartoon. You could practically see the birds circling head. It was unbelievable and then the other one was where clemens one of the few times where my peers at didn't hit the ball in the barrel era he hit he he jammed up a little bit matter the the bat shatters and he picks up the barrel the bat and throws it at him. Those are the things i mean. That's how in might in roger roger clemens head. Mike piazza was that he was throwing at his head and trying to kill him with bat shrapnel. Yes that's a mismatch that that that is definitely a mismatch. What do you think about bill. Belichick versus paid paid manny owned him <hes> i mean i know he's beaten embracing. Once in the postseason. Yeah sharipova has got to twenty. Two two way back before coca was born right now. That's not a bad one the other one and and it's it's totally flipped on its head in the last ten years or so but this went <music> decades decades was the red sox and yankees where the yankees just abs. You knew you didn't know what was going to happen but you knew something was going to happen. Maybe bucket dan or aaron boone or whoever you just knew it was a matter of time until the red sox imploded and that lasted what sixty years as much domination as serena's how sharipova it's only been over the course of what fifteen years. I think this is fifty. Unfortunately it's gone eight. What do you do with that. You know because if it's something as lasted before anyone in the building was even like thought of and yet that history hangs over you and you know it's our job up to remind current players of their past. What do you do with that if you're a coach so you try. Proteomic is not there. I don't know i think you do all the things that we hear him. Do you do <hes> you know. We none of us were here for that. That doesn't have anything to do with what's going to happen tonight and you lose right. That's when you sit back and say you know what there might be something going on in the universe. It has nothing to do with me. It's bigger than me. That's more powerful than me because there's no reason we should fifty years not being able to beat these guys if the freaking. What do you do if you're jim harbaugh. Everyone expecting you now the urban meyer as decided to stop owning you that you're not supposed to win the big ten. You know if win the big big ten. I shouldn't you just quit. I didn't think it was possible but jim harbaugh makes me kind of root for urban meyer or at least he did when urban meyer was at ohio state i and i just i don't know there's something about horrible. That hits me all wrong. The just it's this sense of arrogance that is not earned like urban meyer fire is not a humble man. Urban meyer is not somebody that doesn't walk around. Nick sabin is a perfect example of this. You know guys that have skins on the wall. Championships players players in the n._f._l. But jim harbaugh walking around like one of those guys and he's not one of those guys right so i liked it when when they were getting stopped by and i don't like ohio state at all but i was. It's always like you know what put her on harbaugh. It is weird. I we cover him with such passion and he has not beaten ohio state ever now. Did you see that i remember game in which they were getting ready to beat ohio state and then you're just like tamer. They cursed yeah yeah well. What was it was it last year or two seasons ago. Where not only they lose. It was the biggest loss in history of that rivalry right. They let them score sixty six hundred eight point yeah stop tomorrow owning. She's he's sharapova. I should say harbaugh's sherpa in this situation. Good luck congratulations to serena congratulations around to hear <hes> here are the details of the dwight right howard contract and this is why this is a good deal for the lakers. They owe him basically nothing. He's gonna earn just shy of fifteen thousand dollars for every today. He's on the roster and that start <hes>. That clock starts on october twenty first so basically they're paying him. What is an n._b._a. Terms i understand in real world terms. This is a lot of money <music> but in n._b._a. Terms a pittance for what they're gonna do and they can cut him loose anytime they want is perfect is literally the definition of ren center yeah yeah they're jerry ran in a day yeah. There's lebron just pay check personally because he's one of the highest paid athletes in the world fifteen thousand dollars. A day for dwight doesn't sound like a lot of money. It's not i mean i'll take it if anybody wants to be fifteen thousand dollars a day to do anything i'll sign up for never demanded politics. I'm happy but yeah no this is why he was <hes> really intriguing option dwight howard fan necessarily. I have no idea whether or not this is going to be a good fit. I have no idea whether or not he's changed his deal but i know that there's no risk here. It's not a financial risk. It's not a contractual risk as far as term. Come in here play if it works. Great will keep paying you and the second it doesn't and by i like the second half dozen by what i what i don't like is then what so you say because the reason already in what right now but the reason why you felt the need to hold these practices with these centers end obviously settling dwight howard is because there was a significant injury to boogie cousins since he likely won't be available to us at all this season and there's a need so if you say goodbye to dwight because i don't know he wants to touch the ball fifteen times in a pain i dunno and you might you might want to but if you say goodbye to him. You still have that need. Now is now joking noah. Somebody else's fifteen thousand dollars the day rental at this point. Who do you like mo speights. Do you try to find kim farid like what's plan b. No what plan d if plan c. default through. I don't know if it matters at that point i if if dwight isn't the answer and then whoever they bring in after dwight isn't the answer i think at that point you just say we're going to have to figure a way to do it without that piece because you can't keep the lakers are not gonna win a championship or not based on their center. That's gonna play fifteen minutes a night and how effective he is. I disagree you really yeah. Why why would that be the peace. They're they're six seventh most important guy on the roster the piece that determines whether or not you win would it depends upon where how you finding importance because if every single time anthony davis sits down your paint becomes a runway for posing point guards and shooting guards each you up that fifteen minutes matters it means. You have a point lead with a._d. Sits and he comes back and you're down again because you can't stop anybody. There's no deterrent deterrent. You can't get offensive or defensive rebounds so it matters those ten to fifteen minutes. They matter especially for a team that is let's just say little longer than tooth when it comes perimeter defenders raison rondo throw in lebron coups is not necessarily shutdown permanent defender. I mean you really looking got a lot of guys who knows how to play spatial defense and knows how to funnel guys to certain directions but if you don't have a center to clean up the mess then in what what sort of funneling for i sure but i've already jumped passed the night in and night out maneuverings of this team. I'm thinking about what is going to look like post april fifteenth when the playoffs start and whether and we know look the lakers unless a catastrophe takes place are gonna make the playoffs yes the the lakers are going to go into the playoffs assuming anthony davis and lebron james calicoes and that core is healthy danny any green. Those guys are healthy then. I'm not worried about who plays those ten because those ten minutes become six minutes that it's it's not where we have to get through fifteen minutes without a center we gotta we gotta find a way to not let them kill us in the six minutes that we're gonna give anthony davis off tonight because you're not playing back to backs you. You can you go from playing and guys thirty two minutes to play in forty two minutes a night. We just gotta get through six. I'm that's what i'm thinking about much more so than hey you know what we're going to have to play dwight howard twenty minutes tonight tonight against the phoenix suns because we play last night in sacramento and that's less interesting to me the finished product. I don't necessarily care about what happens statistically turing the regular season but defensive scheme i'd do care i do care because i can remember several possessions during the n._b._a. Finals and which draymond green was simply unable to secure a defensive rebound and time and time again kawai or siaka was able to get multiple possessions during gains because they couldn't secure those rebounds and i look and i go i get it. We got a d the gadget mcgee but if vail gives him foul trouble which you know he's prone to do happen not impressive. He gives them foul trouble and they d- needs to sit down and take six minutes. Breather helps to make sure you have a guy in there who could secure those rebounds limited possessions on the team's going to get you. You were being very generous when you're talking about the lakers being long in the tooth certain positions. I'm going through this. These guys are gonna play heavy minutes thirty three years old regime rondo thirty one years old jail vale mckee lebron james thirty four years old white howard thirty three years old jared dudley thirty-four danny green thirty two demarcus cousins is hurt but twenty nine nine years old got guys all on the wrong side of thirty. They're gonna play heavy. Heavy minutes and cut can raj and chris actually actually stay quiet for an entire segment. The answer is only minutes away on the morning show all right. Thankfully we're getting close to the end of the exhibition season the real season right around the corner in carolina on week one join us right now on field reporter super bowl champion dimarco fargo. What's happening folks democracy swiss. They switched a song on your brother. They are you can eat. Did you hear that attention eliminated. I can block out the noise democra- let's start here when you guys were on the field. Call him on saturday. The news of andrew luck retiring from the colts broke. Was there a ripple that went through the sideline about andrew luck halfway across the country. Oh man it was funny. Somebody kept tugging at me and i'm on the oh i don't see if we can get <hes> demarco bekker's. I i like any story to play in the song eh. I don't know where to go into disappeared on you. Remember any any <hes> february's videos. I know the fat boys but i don't remember this. Let me just when i was telling chris is probably the best one all you can eat so their whole gig was that they were guys that like to eat fat. Everyone one likes to eat fat. It'd be like if you demarco and chris had a group. That's offensive comfortable taking my medicine. That's fun. I ashamed i can't tell i ate my way into this. Nobody's stopping off. He would bring in yeah look. I'm not gonna let it sit there. Oh no the video from the popeye sandwich thing from last week where he like it starts z z like gently putting on a pickle and then all of a sudden here. Your comes travis just annihilating that sam's good sandwich now. Let's try this again tomorrow. You started your story about andrew lucked at somebody was tugging ganja and then we lost your what what happened after that just sideline people talking to me during the game so finally i when we have a break i turn around and say you know what do you need. What do you want. He goes andrew luck retired and and i thought he was kidding. Like what are you talking about. He retired and then slowly but surely i sent it upstairs so they can check you know the the laptops and whatnot yeah man he had retired man. I am not lying well as i'm sitting there in the calcium watching a football game i i thought my initial thought was probably just like the colts fans boo really you're gonna quit on your guys now but when you see the video when you see him walk off the field getting mood and you can tell us starting to bother him <hes> of course your position or mind softened and then read into with more i get it bro. Football is tough. It's brutal. <hes> i had a teammate alexander right. You guys remember him. <hes> chris berman named him. If loving you is is wrong. I don't wanna be right. He was the fastest man in the n._f._l. He retired in two thousand or nineteen ninety-six right as we were going out to practice and i'm like ace. We gotta title practice. Come on man we can still get them. He looked me right in the eye and just said d i am duns and i knew he was just over the fire had gone out and there's nothing you can knew at that point. When that fire goes out you might as well just exit stage left football to play for you has football been smothered and thus can be rekindled hindle was this was all the kids like drenched in water and there's no hope for angela coming back well. I know it's funny and i'm sure you guys have touched don it. <hes> you've talked about indianapolis. You've talked about their old g._m. Ryan giggs and guy. I know <hes> i think he was a scout with the rams way back when so when he got the job i was happy but then and you get andrew luck and then you don't really put pieces around him to <hes> to to to make him better <hes> to protect him so to speak and he gets blasted out. Are there just like any other first round quarterback that goes to a franchise that doesn't know how to protect their their number one asset so you know watching this guy compete <hes> knowing that he really doesn't have the protection but he's still in football games. He's still finding ways to beat you. He's still finding ways to throw for four thousand yards. You know he special <hes> just when you get hit that much and you get hurt that much in a short period of time i can see how that would denture passion so like i said man. If that fire is gone <hes> he might as well just like you said don't steal. This is what i respect more about him. Go ahead and retire and don't hang around the league just stealing paycheck knowing that you really don't wanna play football anymore. Demark afar joining us here on the morning show demarco not that the n._f._l. Is going to run out of football players but we might see more of this that because of the money i mean andrew luck left a ton of money on the table but it also banked ninety four million dollars rob gronkowski bank two ton of money. He walked away at twenty nine years old or are we going to see more and more guys just say you know what i don't have to do this anymore. I have enough money for me for my family for whoever i need to take care of. I'm not doing this anymore. This feels like the j._c. Story like jay z as an owner in the n._f._l. N._f._l. Okay you're going to have to really convince me. This is a bad thing <hes> a guy. That's done it right. Went to stanford has a degree. He's got the connections like you said he's made a ton of money and he doesn't need the game to survive so he can walk away on his own terms. I hold that up as this is a good example of what it means to be a pro <hes> the guys that that have to keep playing until their mid thirties close to their forties because they've got bills to pay or they didn't do it the right way. <hes> that's bad. That's how you wind up disabled disabled in your forties fifties and sixties and whatnot so i mean like you said this is a brutal football game. It's a sport of the young <hes> they're always producing guys that want to take your job and if you think there's gonna be a shortage of football players right so this is funny. How about this for backdrop. I'm waiting for the pro team. Run out while i'm watching the rams play in the coliseum. They had a shortage of football players. You know what i mean. There's kids are playing every day. This is a beautiful team sport. It's a great way to learn about team sports <hes> so you might see more of this. I remember chris borland retired up in san francisco after year number one and they thought this was going to be <hes> the the signal to a lot of snap retirements and it really didn't happen so <hes> guys play for different reasons so this was andrew lockhead had reached his end but this isn't true for ninety five percents league obviously when one door closes one opens in for the coast the door opening percent standing right there saying hey guys this is he the long-term answer or is he just a stopgap. You know i'd like to see <hes> i i. I've always had respect for him. He's you know a really smart and talented quarterback. <hes> you know you're never sure how your chances are gonna come. I mean i'm sure he probably knew since he's in the same room with andrew lock <hes> that this was coming so maybe if andrew luck doc is the guy that i think he is. He might have whispered. Hey man you need to get ready to start this year. You're not gonna be backing me up. You're going to be the guy and if you see percents first press conference post. I andrew lock retirement. He seems like he's ready for the moment <hes> like this isn't a shock to him so he's got the talent. He's got the opportunity now. Let's see what he does with demarco for joining us demarco the rams opening carolina cam newton got hurt in a preseason game any doubt in your mind. The cam newton is going to be the quarterback week one for the for the panthers. No i was going to be out there <hes> he's. He's paid to be the franchise guy. The rams are coming down. You know he's going to take the football now. The game plan is is going to be a little bit different. You know this if you can't run <hes> so expect a lot of shotgun expect a lateral throws expect that offense to do everything they can to keep aaron donald off off their quarterback because even a healthy cam. Newton is in trouble with this guy so a guy. That's hamstrung can't can't move a little bit. Help your quarterback out. I take some smoke off your offense but i think cam newton is going to be out there because you're going to be out there. You know i it seems like maybe dallas is starting to come around a little bit <hes> i i know this. I know his representation and i haven't met <hes> zeke but just reading the comments. I kind of understand where he's coming from. I don't think he's going to bend. You're going to have to meet him at his demands because he's right <hes> so i think dallas <hes> they're they're. They're playing the game. They should plan the one thing that i took out from all this stuff. Coming out of dallas was they don't wanna be the team that sets the market. I get that so this will go down to the wire but i i i would bet zeke. Elliott is back for week one if not if not week one then definitely week too because you definitely need him to win demarco. We were talking earlier. You're about the rams season last year. Where obviously thirteen three record super bowl parents. A lot of stuff has to go right but you go back to that packers game where they were fortunate that time montgomery brings it. Go back to the monday night game fifty four fifty one that one could have gone either way the call in the n._f._c. championship game. We all know about that how much of where they got to was i don't wanna say it's lucky key because that implies that it's completely random but just a lot of things that could have gone either way went their way and does that stuff typically happen a couple of years in a row. It's funny. When you mentioned the word luck. <hes> coaches don't like to say we got lucky but they will. They will freely admit that luck was involved. Does that make sense. It's coachspeak so when we won. The super bowl dick for meal is not shy about saying <hes>. We were very good. We re very prepared. We were conditioned and we were also. We had a lot of luck on our side. The ball bounced are way more often than not so <hes>. Sometimes you have years like that where the ball just seems to bounce to you now. You have to capitalize take advantage in d. ready for the moment <hes> there have been teams that had had similar chances that luck was with them and they failed to cash in and wound up eight seven to nine so <hes> you no matter what even with the luck you still have to be ready to win <hes> but i i think the one lucky thing if you could carry over from last season two this season is the health of the offensive line. You know if you have all five guys starting all sixteen eighteen weeks. You're going to be pretty good regardless of what you have around you so now put that a healthy offensive line that stays upright with goth with a healthy todd early in that receiving core then i think the offense picks up right where it left off defensively. I think they're gearing up to be better really watching that preseason game <hes> and watching wade phillips and what he did what he called. He's giving you a glimpse of what you're going to see in the regular season so i'm looking at the coast ours the stand-ins aaron donald and clay matthews and fowler and saying okay if the offense tries this with those three guys. You don't have a prayer so either. It's gonna be a sack. They're going to blow it up. Are you can't run that play against this defense so <hes> if the offense offense continues to improve like i think it's going to <hes> i think this defense has a chance to be better than last year and one of these you can point to and says that could be a top ten top out five feet demarco very quickly serena williams nineteenth mattress sharipova. What is your favorite own situation in terms of teams only another another athlete owning another <hes> in in that regard there isn't one. I think the best was the washington generals and the globetrotters. Why why are we even in <hes> insulting serena calling this a rivalry thank you thank demarco will be on the sidelines <music>. Thanks for marco. We'll kishan finally have enough of the bids find out next on the morning earning show a little while ago elsey at his top ten on top ten artists they made amazing music videos and it wasn't a horrible top ten for one now that got us talking about michael of course then we play the earth song because we all kind of like that video lousy did and i thought that was really expensive but that isn't that expensive the most expensive music video ever made scream michael and janet in one thousand nine hundred five back then it costs seven million dollars adjusted for inflation eleven point five million dollars for this music video. That's crazy in an average song. I would say below average. If the right liquor the right dancefloor he just like goes the i said if you told me michael and janet a and we're about to do a song slash video my all snaps there's going to be good and i was like oh and they dance together play for real brief period of time because we we thought they would just go like go at it. They dance together for like a little tiny little segment lou expecting like a dance fight like as a comparison thriller cost back then in one million adjusted for inflation two point five million so this video cost nine million dollars more than through flash bang. What's the top five. I five is scream. Madonna di another day which was eight point five million jose madonna express yourself hand point one million madonna bedtime story eight point two million guns and roses strange. I don't know what that is. Six point nine million drivers started liking to win actual got behind the piano and ruined michael black or white which was a great video seven point three million on that list. You had the right person at number one she she she has a nice. She has an eye ear if she could sing choubey unstoppable well. Apparently she's got something going on. Donald demarco said did i ask them the question about. Do you think what andrew luck did will become more common and i want to be very precise in what it is that i'm saying. I'm not suggesting that all of a sudden every year the n._f._l. Is going to have a twenty. Five percent. Turnover rate because guys are leaving. That's that's not my thought but my thought is that thing about saturday afternoon when the when when the news at andrew luck who is retiring it was oh my what he is why what happened. It was genuinely shocking. Andrew luck doc was leaving not unlike when barry sanders left was almost twenty years ago now when berry decided to leave it was weak he is and then it was twenty years prior to that with jim brown so so the question i have is is that when you look at what we know now combined with the money that's available to the very best players rob gronkowski leaving leaving twenty nine andrew lock leaving at twenty nine. Is this going to become one of those things in instead of oh my gosh. This guy retired is a oh yeah. There goes another one because because for one hundred million and what i'm doing to earn that hundred million is increasing my chances of parkinson's alzheimer's l._s. dementia and every hit that i taking a significant amount. I'm leaving well. The theme is interesting. Is that what you're talking about. That dynamic is starting starting so much earlier. Now you know high school. Football participation has been on the decline between two thousand one and two thousand eight increase by eight percent at the two thousand eight. It's been sliding down what happened in two thousand eight. We'll go back and look at the media. Look at the coverage of c._t._e.'s look at the lawsuits discussion about player earlier safety and health players falling dead on the field because too much practicing in the heat. All these things now have turned football in general for me any sport in which parents are encouraging their kids to participate in to a sport that they're now steering them away from so that's this generation now that are percolating eighty up the informed generate circulating around. It's it's that combined with. You know what i don't have to play until i'm thirty five. I can play till i'm twenty seven and if i'm a quarterback i can. I can make enough money to where i don't need to worry about me. My mom and dad add my kids their kids we can put were good and i think i'm assuming at some point. We're gonna get a more in-depth idea on why interlock made the decision that he did because obviously injuries are a big part of it but i think we'll get a more fully fleshed out picture of the decision process and i can't imagine that there's somebody like luck who all the things we're talking about. He's got a he's got a degree from stanford. He has varied interest away from football that his awareness of that didn't contribute to that decision and more and more guys are gonna fall in the same category absolutely as as i said that's the media coverage has been going on and people are realizing now that there are completely health issues tied to it the deciding to stick around is this doesn't make sense anymore especially if you've got enough money in the bank blue blue keyshawn finally have enough of the bits find out next on the morning show this the good old days right here boy morning morning television is this is golden rosenstone to win you know he we herman him sixty seven years old p._b. Venture there was a great movie. I was a funny movie yeah but you know what else is intense traff. All right. Andrew lock is out. Jacoby <unk> is in in indianapolis. Jacoby perset will lead the the colts to an a._f._c. south championship a hill out of that sick and the hell out of shake shake it is i can see they're stuck in playhouse in your house. <hes> i'm shaking. Take jacoby percent that is all for nine against teams that finished season with a winning record overnight not a good status not a good stat so if you're asking me if all of a sudden now <unk> over nine is gonna turn into you know five and two or something like that. I'm telling you now no problem and i know that a lot of people are thinking jacksonville because they've got that defense offensive got nick foles. They've got an upgrade quarterback. It's still houston right. I mean they just shawn watson and deandre hopkins and their defense is serviceable. It's going go through houston yeah all right next one. The rams say they're not worried about doing a deal for jared goff anytime soon that they'll get to it when they get to it. The rams will sign jared goff to a got new contract before the end of the season. Take it or shakin. I'm going to shake it off i can. I don't recall aw there being a scenario with this rams organization in which contracts like this gets resolved during the season. I recalled autumn all happening. You know during the off season. I recall them happened during the preseason but i don't recall them doing it during the season which kennedy kennedy tells me they just don't like mixing that business with the other business so yeah. I think they're going to get to it eventually but i will be shocked at. There's an announcement in the middle the season i think it will happen because it's just one of the things we know what the number is going to be roughly. We know that he they're gonna do it. We know that it's going to happen sometime between today and the beginning of next season and i'm sure it's just a matter of like he says all the time. It's not a matter of what the number is how. We're gonna pay this money out when it gets cold out. It's it's going to happen. There's no acrimony there. It seems like it's it's never going to be easier to do that would be when no one's really looking. I wouldn't be surprised if in the middle of the season all of a sudden you know what jared goff roth agreed to a thirty five million dollars a year contracts and wouldn't surprise me at all again. It's just the timing's not in that. They've done hundred were you says that fatigue is not the factor for his recent backslide. A little bit real will be just fine in the playoffs. Shake it because he turning vegan anytime. I'm going to take it. He's gonna be just fine. He's going to be fine because he's going to get his rest now. He can say he's not fatigue and that's fine and dandy for fodder but you're a big boy. Yes along season. Yes we're going to rest you look i. He's awesome and he pitched well in the playoffs last year. He's a he's a really really good pitcher but he also every season has missed some time which allows him to for lack of a better phrase catches breath a little bit and get right for the the the the stretch he's overweight and he's and its g- i don't care if you pitch for six months straight and i know they gave him a little. I l stint where it's ten days or whatever just to basically not pitch for a little while but i'm telling you if they pitch him even on an abbreviated schedule through the line. I worry about his fitness at the end. They're both literally and figuratively because that's a lot pitches. It's a lot of innings. He's a big boy indeed. He is all right germy. Lynn has signed a contract to go play in china china. People will remember jeremy lin's run in the n._b._a. Ten years from now take it or shakin. I'm going to take it <music>. I'm gonna take it because the n._b._a. Is of all the sports that we have here in our leagues the most global and because of that we pay attention still to global icons. We'll always remember dirk. We're always gonna remember hakeem olajuwon and as long as new york city is exists. They're going to win sanity until they win a championship which they won't be doing in the next ten years so they'll always have them in san dirk and the dream were hall of fame players so they're easy to remember durkan. The dream both won and championships so they're easy to remember. I know that jeremy lin has a championship because he was on the raptors last year but when they would cut to the bench and you saw you're like oh right jeremy lin. I remember that guy. It had already gone a minute and we all loveland. Sanity was incredible the way that it happened where it happened. That was such a unique leaks story but that's going to be one of those things that i wouldn't even get if it's ten years might be shorter than that. You and i don't remember because we're immersed in it every day but the average american he what was that that guy's name for the next it just showed up out of nowhere. I think we're closer to that than anything. As long as new york exists in the lowest ramona can do a podcast. We'll jeremy land back. Toback covers a sports illustrated mohammed ali michael jordan jeremy lin. I have both of those still the s. is yeah. I don't know why he it was. An extraordinary with is extra. He was barely in the league and he was the story of the league for what a month for a solid month and then carmelo has got healthy. Yeah whoops yeah. Keep passing it. We're going to need to get him outta here and was probably didn't work out so rob. Gronkowski says that he could come back to the n._f._l. If he wanted wanted to we'll see rob gronkowski in the twenty one thousand nine n._f._l. Season take it or shake it. I take it all not as a player. You'll be in the stands clapping asa like we saw him on e._s._p._n. Red carpet do looks like he started eating. Let's just say more <hes> baked and boiled chicken as opposed to fried chicken. He's a lot smaller. He is and there are things you can do to get bigger quicker. I just don't think that he's going to do those things. I think he's just talking to be talking. I think play. I play this season but i think he'll come back and play. He's he's a football player and i know he's got other interests. I know that he's got in the weight thing like if he can get it off fasting back on that fast here. He's not jason window. Jason witten thought he had another life outside of football then he tried it and and realize oh i guess i don't so then he came back. Rock actually does any probably is getting interest. He's doing the new hobson shaath film you know in two years from now he might end up being a stormtrooper in the next star wars. He has the kind of personality and that kind of interest. I think he's going to be just fine. He does but again. I know i i think rob gronkowski is there's two two guys. There's rob gronkowski who the real guy inside of him and then there's the guy that he adopts the persona that dobbs gronk. Who's all the things that you said they're both real but i think that the rob gronkowski the football player is still living in there and if all of a sudden the patriots say hey look we got five games left this season. We need you. We need you. Let's go get another one of these things. That's a really hard thing to say no to hits that he's no longer take. It'd be again like anything else. If you're away from it for a while. You won you forget into you think i feel. I'm feeling pretty good. I can do it. We've all we've all had that moment where been away from something for a while and you forget how much it stinks where there's an old joke about women having kids like if you can remember what it was like. You've never have another one right and people have more than one. It's pretty awful experience for the most part people come back and do it again. The time fades those memories yeah i i. I'll take your word for it. I've never had a kid. You never know you never know what's up shake. It is made possible by blue. Go to blue dot account chew dot com use the promo code seven ten and us pay five dollars shipping youtube could chew it and do it.

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Episode 290: The Complaint Department (with Reem Abulleil)

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Episode 290: The Complaint Department (with Reem Abulleil)

"The welcome to episode two ninety of no challenges remaining. I van rothenberg joined by. Npr's middle east and north africa correspondent. Reema buhlale kareem. You've any where else expand your empire to while we have you here for your coverage. I'm very with middle east and north africa. Thank you very much. That's good that's a good. It's a good start for any for any empire-building as a good stretch of stretch of land. Yeah it's a lot roomier space than segue a lot of players. Currently melbourne room for fourteen days during this quarantine out has really been the obviously the dominant story of tennis and a huge news story in australia to for the past week or so seeing how the players are dealing with this. How some are complaining. Not complaining obviously complaints getting more attention. It's been really interesting to sort of seeing. I think i'll start with this sort of the amount of sort of anger and resentment towards the players in australia. I think i have. I can't remember tennis. Players felt so like embattled. And i'll just save later belts it now like i was working on a story. I'm working on front. Australian publications coming out a couple of days messaging a lot of players and stuff and way more of them than usual. Were like. I'm afraid to talk because i feel like if i say anything that people are gonna get mad at me. And there's so much anger out there right now in the public in the media here that i just want to say anything. It's just interesting to see tennis under fire like this. remember what. I'm wondering what you've seen it. It's funny because i've also had a similar experience with the players I saw how it shifted i. There was a period in the very beginning when the players landed in in melbourne and then they found out that they have to be in hard scene for fourteen days they were angry and they wanted to lash out and everybody wanted to talk like everybody wanted to talk. Everyone was going on. Social people. were like going back and forth and social and then a couple of days later because of the backlash they start the tone shifted. And everyone's like no. I don't wanna talk and so it. It was a very extreme shift. I would say over literally less than a forty eight hour period. It's it's interesting because the players usually well. Let's just say a lot of the parents have been out of touch in general like throughout this entire thing. It's been like why are they so outta touch. And and i feel like this is a bit of a wake up call. 'cause they're kind of forced to try to to look at things from a different angle. I'm not sure they get a lot of them when i speak with them. Still feel that they're being unfairly judged and and they keep saying well the public the public will get it. But i think because it's every like the public is basically hammering down the the idea of how out of touch they are. I feel like they're going to get through to them but yeah you're right they are. Everyone is a bit more hesitant right now to speak. Yeah kind of what. I was my hopeful conclusion of a piece. I wrote for sydney morning herald about this about like. I do think that players are not. i think. Australians didn't really appreciate this before ch- fair enough. But like i don't i don't think has much at all about just how different things were in australia's compared to the rest of the world. Just how unique approaches ben. How uniquely strict. it's also most importantly how uniquely successful it's been right. They really don't come. It's not people worry about anymore in their day-to-day lives which is such a huge contrast from most everyone else in the world and so seeing that i think that takes some getting used to the of culture clash and i do think that you know spending fourteen days inside thinking about it is plenty of time to sort of come to grips into realize the things are things are different and i do. I do think that time will prove educational you know they can learn from the second read more battery Understand more what's going on and then yeah. The good things about this. This set of australia is once you serve. your time. Said speak than you're free to go out in. The world is not like the us open where you could never leave the the closed loop of the hotel and the tournament even if you could get more immediate freedoms right away in herbs enough being stuck in your room for two weeks upon arrival. But you know they'll have full privileges and rights like any other sort of australian local. Go to restaurants and go to movies. They can go to the beach canoeing everything they want once. They're when sir out. While i was talking to a friend the other day and it's something that we spotted on twitter. Unfortunately we don't remember. Who wrote this on twitter. So i'm sorry for not giving full credit to that person but it was well articulated in the sense of the. Us open bubble was an any bubble. The players have been in since the tour restarted has always been in places where there's covert right. So the the idea of the bubble was kind of to protect the players not to protect the public from the players. Right so the that. That's kind of thinking that the players are can accept right. It's it's for our safety. We don't wanna get covert. We don't want our chances to play this tournament to go away. The world out there has covert in our bubble. We don't have covered right. That's the kind of the lodge whereas the us open bubbles the exact opposite right there in a strict quarantine right now so that they don't transmit the virus to others and i think that that kind of switch is not an easy it. It's not what they're used to write like. They've been doing something for six months or whatever best for months and now it's different so that was also. I found that interesting in the in the fact that yes. It's not the it's not exactly the same as what they've been doing. It's very different to what they've been doing. It's totally inverted. Yeah so the inverted and and we know how the players deal with things that are different right like it's not always something. It's not easy for them to accept it right away. They eventually do it up. And eventually i mean we've seen seem very good tennis when the to restarted which we were not sure we. We're gonna see right because of conditions because of all that. So they do ultimately adopt. We saw ruffin adult complaint for two weeks and paris about the weather and then win. It's like just seated every single year so they'd ads but yeah i still feel they. Don't get it at the moment but like you said they have fourteen days to thank for talking about this sort of complaints in had came. You know out right away or how people like even like corny who. I don't think that anything that bad. Honestly how quickly and thoroughly she got dragged by the public and obviously putin's save a with her. You know we need fresh air protest sign and other people who've and obviously the whole petits docu situation which is is wild. Whatever happened with that footage is it's like where my favorite mini mysteries of this thing. I would love to do a deep dive on that. I am one hundred percent convinced that he had no idea he was getting film. But i've entirely possible. Yeah we can do a sidebar that well we come about now anyway. We'll it for another time. But several episodes last year sort of you know ripping tennis players for being insensitive for being irresponsible during the pandemic. Obviously it's very of repeatedly in this conversation joke eventual a bit too. But i don't know something about the way. The public turned on the players so quickly in so harshly in australia. Having feeling a little bad for the players or They felt to me a little bit misunderstood. And it sort of makes me. And i and i understand fully where the public in australia is coming from right. They did the superficially melbourne the super. Hard lockdowns they eradicated coded without the vaccine just through sheer force of of willpower and community action togetherness in unity and sacrifice and whether it was really tough and it has them feeling i think sort of justifiably in is not usually positive term but like justifiably like self righteous about it like. We did all this work. You know we did this. You know who are you to come here suddenly and just you know who are things like. Don't you know how much we've done for this year. So ungrateful and i think all i understand where all that comes from. At the same time. I think the tennis players came in there. Being offered a very different expectation from the tournament is from having. Also i think also. It's important that this is not their first back. I don't think a lot of them. Appreciated this inversion that. You talked about right where they no longer are the special people now. They're the bottom of the of the tier that or the the lepers. Now who have to be treated differently. I don't think they appreciated that. Flip off and that was communicated to them well Clearly because they didn't get it. And so yeah. I don't know i just i just taught myself thinking like. Hey you know these tennis players they trained for you know eight ten weeks really hard in the offseason to get in peak physical shape for the season especially the australian part of the season and now suddenly they get you know to australia and through no fault of their own someone on their own on their flight test positive and they have to sit in a room for two weeks and watch their muscles atrophy in all their peak fitness and everything go away. Like that's legitimately frustrating for them as as competitors if people who put in a lot of work and i just felt like anytime they tried to do any sort of bemoaning of that there was no tolerance for it at all and i get that but i also think like empathy can be for all sorts of things right like i had a situation and also empathy and the inverse of that or the. The cousin of that complaining can be for lots of people right. Like i think kind of to complain is to sort of human on some level to think like oh. I want things to be better. I you know like the other day at starbucks coffee. When i you know people were time four cups of coffee and they only had one trae left to put the cups on the takeaway and they gave me such a hard time at one in the tray i was. They were like if you you know. Take this trade won't be anybody for the next person that's four cops. It really trying to guilt me into not taking the I don't have four hands. I have no other way of doing this. Why are you trying to become a hard time at the trey. And i was complaining about this interaction with the barista for the rest of the day while people are dying in the world and things like that but for me. This like we're barista's change was still annoying and i still felt entitled to complain about it. I don't know i just i listen. We complain a lot. We complain you. And i complain a lot. We complain a lot on this podcast. We complain a lot. Not on this count we. We are not above complaining. And i am. I am a huge complainer. And i'm not proud of it but let me break down some of the things you set. First of all the first thing you're saying was about the public and how they came at a public and how they came at the players. I think that no matter how how much. I've read about the situation in australia. I cannot judge how they feel there. Because i was not put into a hard lockdown almost at all throughout since the pandemic started because even in the u. e. e. d. went into a hard lockdown where they couldn't even leave their apartments and stuff. I was in. W i could walk outside just for walk and stuff like that. I could go to supermarkets. I didn't live in hard lockdown anywhere. Even when i went to cairo i imposed it on myself but no one imposes a me. Gamut sure i did the same thing. Self-imposed i exactly so. I cannot imagine what. It's been like since march for people in australia. Like when i was speak to to any of our trillion friends. It's not easy for me to understand what it means for them that they have one case and they're they're still in lockdown and they can only get one hour outside and they can see one person during working out for one hour outside or whatever. I don't understand The idea of not being able to go to a different city. I mean i'll tell you something. I'm the aba w at the moment. I was in dubai last week. Move the movement between apple w restricted in the fact that there's a border between both emirates. It's fine to go into do by. It's not fine to go into a w without a negative test okay and because the two cities are literally forty minutes away and people commute every day. It's become an issue for commuters right. I don't even need to commute everyday. I only go to dubai for radio and some stuff. Like i don't need to go but i found it frustrating just the fact that i'm trying to find the right time to cross the border when there isn't that much traffic so i actually came at midnight on thursday last week and it's and i've actually been in my room for a week since i got here. I had to get tested today yesterday. Because has rules on when you come in from dubai have tested on six and twelve. Now they changed it to deform the eight. All of what. I'm saying is i'm frustrated just by that okay and that's nothing. That's not really affecting my life. I can still live my life. So i can imagine what it's been like for australians so i cannot agitation or the level of agitation or the reaction that i really can't and i think everyone really sentiments very heightened at the moment on online in every single way right like you say one thing and everybody comes at you and i guess this is all built up frustration from this past year. You know so. I can't judge the reaction from australia's. Because i have not lived through that. But also like you said you. It's understandable for the players to complain. I only i would put a caveat there and say honestly tone makes a huge difference. No-one makes a huge difference. The whole were not complaining but and then complaining. That's a stupid. I'm sorry that doesn't make any sense if you have my a mouse in your room or multiple mice and you're stuck in that room that is a legitimate. Gripe like that is something that is is bad. It's unsanitary like it's you're not gonna sleep like it's bad and you're stuck in that room you're not even allowed to get out of the room so that is digital but if you're getting a hundred dollar voucher every day that you can use to order food online if you don't like what you're getting. They are given three different delivery. Options like the uber eats and a third one. I don't know something called. Menu loggers something and you get one hundred dollars voucher and you keep taking pictures of your food saying it's bad. That is a problem that that's for me. Is that is unacceptable. So i don't put all the complaints in basket. I care about nuance i respect. What coordinated. She said the word insane. And that's why people got pissed off and she apologized and her apology did not give any excuses and she was like listen. I obviously hurt you guys. It was poor from my part. I deleted the tweet. I take it back. I know a lot of players were still pissed. So wanna complain are just scared. Because they don't want people to come at them. The situation is bad in the sense of. Nobody wants to put themselves in anyone else's shoes right. That's how it is at the moment so nor wants makes a difference. I am not an athlete. I don't know what fourteen days in the room will do after they've been they've been like training for like three months so they're in very good shape but i don't know what these two weeks will do to them but they do have nine days before the australian open. We're to tell me. Atp cop wc five hundred blah blah blah honestly. Whoever doesn't wanna play the tournament don't play that tournament focus on those trillion open. You're going to make at least one hundred thousand dollars in the first round australian dollars and you know what like either play the tournaments or not. I asked some of the fitness trainers players. Like would you advise them to play or not. Play the the week before. Awesome after they come out of heartburn unseen. I was surprised that a lot of them said. No we're gonna play. We're going to ask the players to play but kind of use it as a practice. So i can't weigh in on that part but it's not like they're leaving the room and going straight to play the australian open. They have nineties struck It sucks one hundred percents sex but also like dominic thiem said in the interview with two months. Carol and the guardian. He said this is a risk that you take now time you get on a plane. And he's got him. Many planes seem has has been on every single possible planes and extorted and and it's true it is risk and even i tell myself like every time i i'm crossing that border. I can catch the virus in dubai and not able to come back to wm staying and that is a risk that i weighed in my head is worth going doing this radio shift. Is it worth going meeting this player for an interview. Is it safer to do it online. And that's why ninety nine percent of my interviews have been done online even though there with people who are with me in the same city right but if i if i keep thinking why should i risk it for them for me. So it's at the end of the day. It's my choice. it's my decision. And it's their choice. As well in terms of i wanted another thing that you mentioned was the communication right like how well were. These conditions communicated to the players. What we can see is that the information was communicated but there has been confusion because some of the players did enjoy all the calls. Some of the players didn't see or one person heard this call but didn't know because they're listen. Let's face it. Things are changing every single day. Right government rules are changing every single day literally. When i crossed the border last thursday the rule was that i have to get tested on my six day. W now as we speak the rules on my fourth day. Okay so things change overnight okay so if these players some of them got on a call on that call. It was mentioned that you can get on the flight and someone can test positive. But you're not going to be in heart quarantine if there wasn't close contact and then the the call after that it had something different. It's on them to get. The information is on the agents to get information for them honestly especially with something as volatile as this something. That's changing all the time. So i i don't. I don't think that tennis australia did a bad job in terms of sending information. Because i've to send me all the information they got. They got a lot of information. There were calls and there were emails and there were so many. Pdf's i've read every single one. So yeah. I think that you covered a lot there. I think i don't know if it's so much they didn't get all the information. I think the information especially the part about the the risk of the hard quarantine if there were any positive tests on the flight was maybe a bit buried in this mountain of communication that they got potentially but also. It's also possible. That tennis australia didn't know verdict. The victoria health authorities were going to render. Once a positive tests came in and they couldn't they couldn't know for sure if it was going to be. If those that other governmental body was gonna go by the The zone system on the plane or not obviously the first flight. But that's what they said. Then that's what set tennis australia said. And that's what also arts and seatac said and not just in like other players said as well is that they said we don't know it's not going to be up to us. It's going to be up to the health department. I get the artist attack. Like he was very early on this and he like put it out there. And i completely believe agree with everything he said however i just think the fact that so many players were caught off guard by this shows that the communication could have been better because communications. A two way street right even if you do everything and this is like a not dissimilar situation to Reading emails like the sharipova discussion right when she has a positive for macedonia when she and her team didn't pick up on the fact that there was a change in the banned substance lists it made this previously substance switch to being illegal on january first of two thousand sixteen aback when that rule change came like i think like that where yes is it her responsibility to To read these things and do our due diligence in her agent to who in this case was charged with doing that particular task. Yes could they had done a more overt job of making it clear to people who were taking. This could so many people did test positive in early. Two thousand sixteen. Yes they all stay. I think communication goes both ways. It's my it's my butts. Es this situation right now they had a month which is basically all of december where there was so much back and forth and things were changing all the time. This is one of the important things to ask about and look at look out for. This isn't something that maybe was going to be communicated or maybe not kind of like all the struggle was added to a list or not. We're not sure this is something that's not necessarily gonna happen every year whereas this is literally have a month where you're planning something and if this that's important to that's my that's actually for me. The main point is if you were. Were any of these players not gonna go to australia if they knew this reu beforehand. I bet you most of them would have gone okay. All the players were saying we wouldn't have gotten on that plane. If we knew about this rule. I don't believe half of them more than half. I genuinely don't believe it. Because they are so desperately and they're so desperate to play in big money events. There's only four of these in the year. Okay so honestly. I don't believe them but they are. They are holding onto this when if they cared this much about this. This is the first question. Honestly if if it's me this is literally the first question i ask on the call. I would be like what happens if someone says positive team. What happens if someone says positive on my flight. What happens if every single type of that. If this is something i care about i will ask and i'm sorry if they are this stuff about it and they care about it that much. How the hell did they ask us all fair. So yeah that that that for me in that sense does it suck yes. It sucks because they feel. They didn't do anything wrong. And yet they are in the situation but again these are the parameters they're given and this also does not beat the cannot clean tournaments. Yes they cannot play in peak conditions. I think their main complaint right now the way they phrased it really. The wnba players is that they feel. That is unfair. That is there like we need either. Everybody practices or nobody practices but that is also not a practical solution. I don't think that you can tell the other players who weren't on planes that had Positive cases You can't tell them not to practice. Doesn't it also doesn't seem fair either way. It's not fair either way it's epidemic and is one thing which has been getting a lot of discussion amongst players which we haven't touched on really at all so far here Prickly among men's players know they're really upset about this. It's a sort of group. Is this split between melbourne and adelaide In where the a handful of top players. I think just three men and three women at their practice partners also Got sent on a different itinerary. Completely going to edit. It was sort of mandatory. I tend to didn't really have a choice about it. Because i do believe job. Said he wanted to opt out of the adelaide option. They were like you have to go to adelaide Jovovich nepal and team. And man and then serena up and asaka for the women and plus their practice partners which was like the dolls brought yanic center joke. Mitch brought cranach. I believe in. I guess team brought dennis novak back. Is that right. Not sure story was the same. But yeah serena's venus serena venus i'm not trying to others and bring a practice partner. I know that anyway. This brought in a lot of attention on the sort of different treatment for stars in tennis which obviously tennis players are aware of but the centers literal in a gap treatment of the there's a literal seven hundred kilometer gap between these two cities and they're very different places. It's very visible. Is this a fair thing to complain about. Because i guess the players in adelaide Allowed to court much quicker They seem to have a bit more access to the courts. More flexibility when they can schedule things like that Not that much more time. They spend nineteen hours a day or so in their apartments. Or whatever set up a half for their the quarantine there but they could bring more people One thing before. I handed over to you for your thoughts. I talking to daniel hairdo for one of the other articles. That coming up in decision making the article but one thing he said that was interesting. I thought is that he said as much as adelaide has more space and more room and more. Whatever like there's a couple of downsides to in that you're not on the melbourne park courts the whole time so there will be some adjusting potentially to conditions which they're not that different put into some advantage to be practicing on the same site the whole time and the other thing was in adelaide. You don't get to pay with as many people because you detect your your one practice partner the whole time whereas in melbourne you could expand after your first practices. Your group of people in your sort of pod goes from one partner. I think three people in your groups. You have more than one person after the week Week you have one person right in the second week but in italy with the whole same person the whole time. So that's the minor you know thing. Maybe but that was. One of the things danny pointed out but just sort understood a counter to the the notion that i- latest is better. But what do you. What do you think of this in. Yeah it just it just seems to get because there's some really good players who you know i think what makes it so striking. It's such a clear line drawn right. Like we're used to star players getting things like more practice court time more time pricing especially on the main stadium courts. In other sort of preferential things mitigate. The side win their matches. Are they can request to play night match or a day match or have a day off for whatever in tournaments will bend those things but here. It's very much. If your top three. In whatever metric they used three. It's not top three in the rankings. But if you're top the top three stars here and and sorry you know other great players like as rank kenan vodka who didn't make this at late Cut for whatever reason what do you make of this of this attlee melbourne discussion. I think that many things that help the situation. Initially the silje had said that the the reason there are players. Go better go into advocate is that they hit the coach of the number of people who can be in quarantine in melbourne so they needed another quarantine city so they went to south australia and said hey adelaide can you take fifty people and then adelaide said no. We don't know what's in it for us and then eventually they settled on. Okay let's bring three stars from each tour and we play an exhibition for you in exchange for letting us have these people come in quarantine an addict so that was the the whole story. Initially you can't say that in the beginning and then say oh. The the recent quote from craig's ties saying that oh they're stars and that's what star is always get preferential treatment when you because that's not what he said in the beginning and and p r one one dude stick to your story because the first one was much better than the second one okay like seriously. Why would you do that. That's one thing and other thing is it didn't help. Obviously because of the seventy four players that are in hardcore scene in melbourne. So it doesn't help when you have that and you have mice in rooms and stuff and people feeling that they're not getting the food they want etc and also there was an issue. We must add that. That's one of the bigger problems. Also melbourne is that even the people who could go and practice had their practices. Many of them had their practices canceled for the first several days or two days and the reason was that apparently there was a it was a logistical nightmare. Because apparently it's the the government the victorian government that is handling the transports of the players to and from their hotels and the club. That sounds club so people the players were waiting in the room. So get picked up. And they're not getting picked up so they didn't even know beforehand that their practice was getting cancelled waiting in their rooms and they're not out to leave the room so they're waiting there and those picking them up so when you're in this situation. Suddenly you see the asakusa been hitting on court for several days. I this is bad on every level. I actually find this as the worst part of all of the. If you feel that you can see you you have a right to practice and you can't even go to practice and then you find someone already on court with their entire team. That sucks which is why they had the rule about atalay players not telling them not to post on social media about all their practices and other stuff. You know what's your First of all novak The fact that novak has a balcony and venus cooking must kill the players in melbourne honestly. Because they can't even open a window so like if you can't open a window and you feel the you're you also you can order food after mpm which a lot of the players apparently struggled with all has to say in melbourne. So if you have these kinds of restrictions and then you find venus making an entire story on her. instagram coaches. the kitchen. yeah. She has a kitchen in her sweet. That's not great even like they need to russia's media manager. He posted a photo of his room on instagram. There is massive like way bigger than those higher rooms are opponent or any of these rooms like. It's not great. i think. That's the biggest issue. If the reason was what's exciting has said in the beginning fine you know what that exhibition is probably going to bring some money to tennis australia. And they've already spent an insane amount of money on the quarantine rooms and the charter flights. And okay so if this is gonna if it was also put something you know what this is gonna generate. The exhibition is gonna generate some money. That's what helped fund all of this. It's all about how you phrase your usual. How you articulate your intentions as novak would say it's all about intentions but you can't go and say oh this is this is live. This is professional sport. like issue. A star you get preferential treatment. Don't say that because there are other stars who aren't there. Speaking of adelaide one of the other atalay things get attention was novak djokovic. Who is there and i think i mentioned earlier. Joke of had told the players in the player group chat back in december that he had wanted to opt out of adelaide thing wanted to be with them in solidarity in in melbourne but didn't have a choice tattoo. Basically said you're you're going to adelaide. You don't really have to say in the matter which i do believe They didn't give him an an opt out of that. And jovic got dragged in the in the media what was framed by them as sort of a list of demands that he that he given to the tournament included. Things like better food. More equipment set pardoning was considered. Okay but then also to house says with core. That was the one that got the most. Was the moving them to private. Houses have tennis courts. Attached and then also reduce the number of days of quarantine visit with their coaches and stuff. Jovovich put out a message in eight screenshot notes at message. Eight screenshots of notes yesterday reminds me of when i send you my list of words on 'cause i play. I play the spelling bee on my phone and you played on your computer. I think we have different views. So i always feel so stupid sending you a million screenshots of my lip and when is some of my phone. I do it on the on the web browser the phone though because it doesn't show my crossword app forever reason but chuck rich and his his thing in his in his note which was full of self. Pity said my good intentions from my fellow competitors in melbourne. Have that's being selfish difficult and ungrateful. And i do think that he's right. I mean as much as the tunnel letter was very much like whoa is me to try to do a good thing in. Y'all are trampling all over me. The letters also addressed to australia. Australia was the sort of Addressee of the letter. I do think that joke. Mitch means well in this situation but it. Just kind of classic djokovic Winds up not executing things. The house requests was ridiculous. That was just never going to happen right to find private houses for players and to raise them hotel system. That wasn't going to happen. So yeah i don't know the backlash. She got both a little bit unfortunate. And also completely predictable. Yeah look. I'm looking at it from different angles again. I think that he definitely meant twelve. And i think that he's trying to follow through on his his whole his whole mission at the moment is is he wants to be the person sticking up for the other players right. that's his. that's his thing and obviously the players also feel in titled to that or not entitled. They want that. Because we just saw the quotes from guido pella. Who saying that unless someone with clout speak on our behalf. Nobody cares right and that's wasn't just spent. There are other players who are spoken to who have told me the same thing. They're like where we're appreciated. That novak did that because we need someone to someone who matters basically to talk on our behalf so they are the players feel that they matter and novak is doing that for them so like helping them with that. The problem is again. It was like he didn't read the room at all like he. He didn't. I don't know when that first of all it's an email that we didn't read right. We only saw the list as far as i can tell. Has anyone seen the actual. I think was sort of made it public. Yeah exactly so so. I read the list in spanish and then it was translated and basically i. I don't know what the email is. Because again i think context matters here because the way novak explained later he was like we were brainstorming ideas. I was literally just jotting down ideas. It matters what was at the top of the email right. We demand this. We request this or listen. We're desperate here. Let's your of some ideas. Here are some ideas. You know what i mean so i don't think it was a bad move on his part in terms of jobs him trying to help obviously the email leaked and maybe taking a little bit of her out of context. Maybe not who knows and then it exploded yet. I think again there is. I think it's a little bit the lack of understanding of how serious australian government to staking situation maybe also not understanding how much resentment there is in in victoria towards the tournament. So i feel a little bad for him. Because i know in this case he did mean well and again it was just phrased really badly. It was just. Yeah no and then there's also things to happen like in that news clip shared of the you know the nightly news australia which led off with the tennis players like short dragging them throughout italy thing. The players also get lumped in with like vanessa sierra. Who is thomas girlfriend. And her be clear is a like i think she was a contestant that whether called on love island like so she's a certain type of media personality right. She's trying to do a certain thing out there. And so two get lumped in with her and her sort of level of absurdity. I feel like with a rough break for the tennis players. Who are not yeah. We're not so out of touch. Has to be politically complain about. Having to wash their own hair and when she does it again in her sort of sphere. I think it's just part of cartoonish persona honestly just being like i'm just here to be ridiculous and i find it. I watch her dog. And i just find it kind of weirdly endearing. It was ridiculous but sort of also like sort of sweet. Don't at the fact that you're the fact that she's devoted enough to tomic to travel to leave the safe zone of australia to travel to doha for aussie qualifying. And then come back into the. I don't know i. I've i've sort rooting for her. I found it fascinating that she gets saying. We have to play qualifying. We have to do this. And i'm like girl you don't need to have to do anything you can be out of that room and do whatever the hell you want. I don't know why you're why. Why would you choose to go to dora in a pandemic because she supports her ridiculous man. No but i couldn't forget about all the ridiculousness of the hair. And the whatever which which. I actually felt a little bit bad for posting after i posted just because i was like. Listen cheese harmless. I don't care. Like i shouldn't have posted that but anyway for me. It was just the fact that she she's she's so team bernie that she's like we have to do this. We have to do this. We have to eat this. We have to prepare for tournaments in the room. And i'm like oh wow. She actually thinks like yeah. I don't know i. She reminded me of bhartiya. Bertha's we but she's referring to her and her team except lake pretty sure anyway. She's ride or die. I i was. I was into it. I thought it was great. I thought it was i just. I'm just glad that bernie has somebody looking out for him because he needs that in life. Yeah agreed agreed. That part that part. I i agree. Listen it's such an amusing blog. Like i did watch all of it. I'm not gonna lie. I watched the whole thing but yes. It's just funny like sort of counterweight to like sit. The past also did a log like these two different voices and points of view on in the same hotel is just funny being the hotel. Couple more things to wrap up one. Where cordless on Guess what most from a clare state seven of the quarantine a day on which paladino confirmed that she had tested positive for the corona virus after having played in abu dhabi on the flight and she'd previously been in hard corentin because there was a positive tests on her flight and now on day seven a returns a positive tests. I don't have much to say about this except for that. It really validate the whole system. You know to if somebody is exposed to keep them sequestered and actually if anything. It means like letting anybody go practice when they're still positive test showing up on day seven. That was notable sort of proof of of the system working and hopefully because it gets well and she's an she is feeling some symptoms and got sent to one of the sort of hospital hotels such or health hotel. Whatever they're calling them there So now pope him but that was a sign. The players should know. Yeah this is. I feel like i feel like the whole incubation period thing has been lost on tennis players so frequently throughout this entire thing. They're like wow the positive tests. Of course i. I've i've a negative test. Of course it should get on any plan. I want and do anything i want. Whatever yeah i mean. Yeah i if they did need another way to kind of understand what's incubation period is then this is an example. I really hope she's going to be okay. And i hope that doesn't like blow her chances. Just because in general people taking some time to recover just healthwise. I hope for her sake. It doesn't last long. But yeah i mean the whole. I tested negative yesterday today tomorrow. You know what. I've had three tests in the last two weeks i at no point. Have i felt that. I don't have the entire time. I get like just the sniffles and i'm like should i have cloven like the whole time and i'm not kidding. I was sick the last two days. I remember i message. Do i told you i like. I have covert symptoms like blood. And i was freaking out. I got tested yesterday. I'm negative today. I still don't feel secure about it just because you never know when you got in contact with someone and you just never know this whole. That's point of this whole stupid dizzy. Nobody knows much. And it's weird. And then the last thing i wanted to get to the extra -sential discussion about the tournament is given the sort of difficulty. Suppliers are facing right just in terms of having to do the hard lockdown and a lot of weight and a lot of time sort of erode their off-season work and everything like that and all the costs that was associated with paying chartered flights and paying for hotel quarantine paying for one hundred dollars a day food. Plus the free food you get was was this tournament. A good idea was trying to hold the australian open in february of twenty twenty one the right choice by tennis australia or should they have either. Cancel this edition or postpone it to like december and actually they could have done something because obviously the australian open back decades ago with number event and they could have done something potentially like held the one australian open in december and the twenty twenty two australian open in january backlash opens. That would been kind of fun. But wh what do you think of that like. What was all of this going to be worth. Indiana just seems like so much work much money so much time so much risk and so much sacrifice to do. That's when i do think and i've been i've been a pessimist about the pandemic time. I do think that like by september of this year. Like enough of the world we vaccinated. Hopefully that like things get kind of back to normal and you would be able to do a relatively unfettered regular normal grand slam in a month. Like december twenty twenty one. What do you think was. This is pushing it to do this event. Was it too much to food. It depends what are you asking. Was it worth it for that ustralia worthy for the players or is it worth for tennis as a whole like academy all of those kind of all those like whatever whatever angle you wanna take it from like was was doing this term it now. The right choice. Look i think for the players even with the complaining even with everything. They're very are going through. I think for them. Once they played the slam is going to be worth for them. I think it's for them. Having having actually starting a year with a slam and earning that money. And i'm not talking top players talking the players who actually need this money i think for them. It's worth it or they wouldn't have gotten on that plane like a good examples. John john is ner for john is ner for him is like you know what i want time with my family. I don't need to do this. Good on him for recognizing that. I do not blame him. That's fine okay but like if players got on the plane then they wanna play okay so yeah. They went through some stuff maybe some of them might regret going but for most of them. I think it's going to be worth it so for that. That's from the players perspective obviously from tennis australia's perspective. I am baffled by the lengths that they went to to stage the motivation. Like if you look at just the the rhetoric in the in the media from from greg tidy. It's all about like we wanna prove to the world that australia can be the cat like the capital of events during this time and all of that which they say that kind of stuff here in the e as well. But i don't know why you're saying stuff like that when you're going through sa- like insa- new going to crazy lengths to make this happen right so again i i don't. I don't know what's in it for them at the moment in terms of tennis australia but i feel like we're spending an insane amount of money the paying for the flights and like what they started. Seventeen different commercials seventeen flights. Yeah seventeen has a law like it's crazy long flights to that's not like paying for a plane from dubai to. I don't know cairo to use your cities that's like a like halfway around the world. Almost all these flights were like crossing a big ocean. Oh chartering seventeen flights la miami. I don't know like 'cause they had one for miami one from antalya right for the because retirements there and then doha dubai singapore going just logistical nightmare. Ns even apparently burden on the government as well right because they're handling the transports the transport during quarantine. This is a massive operation. The testing obviously okay with australia. They're not treated testing people because they don't have covert right. So it's not like in dubai. There was this issue a qualifying where the person was organizing the qualifying. Do vital me it that the testing process for the the one twenty eight players put a big strain on the undo by and just the medical system in dubai because the numbers are are at a record high and so everyone is getting tested and then they needed to educate the find the medical provider to come and do this and that was difficult. I guess it's not a problem in australia but it was a problem on the city. They chose to hold qualifying right to even from that perspective. I when she was telling me that i was like you're right. I can see the queues at the testing centers. And i can only imagine what it's like having for that one week of qualifying having everyone get tested on their coaches and stuff. So i feel like tennis australia ultimate. Clean my thing that they really shouldn't have done this but they're not going to admit it because i think the whole the whole thing has been like where heroes in a way where we're pulling off impossible in. We're heroes in that kind of stuff. It's very difficult to imagine how they're gonna make up the money for all of that and it's it's not dissimilar. I mean tennis. Australia mindset is not totally dissimilar from what the. usda mindset was towards the us open. Both like we know this. Although the us open. I think had a little bit more humility about it. They were more like we know. This is tough away thing we can do it. We're gonna work really hard to to to do it. But also i think the main question of is it worth it with most important stakeholder in that question is gonna be the victorian government and victorian people right australian people sean government as well like was this risk worth the reward of having tenement here. Both culturally having fun. Big economically. Gobs a big concern although not that many fans are coming in from out of the city like normal normally huge international event that draws lots of tourism dollars the australian up and i can't imagine many fans doing at this time or even allowed to with the russians on arrivals to have and stuff like that how expensive it would be. I can just tell you from like looking at When one of my colleagues. I think eventually got on charter. Flights on how totally it worked. was looking at flights from l. a. to melbourne. They're like fifteen thousand dollars for an economy ticket. They were real. They were really hard to come by. Tickets limited right now. Yeah all that is to say for people don't know that's like ten normally is usually like a two thousand dollars flight round trip maybe a little less than that now. All that is to say like it's just if if especially if something happens where tennis is the source of any sort of community spread in victoria and they have to go back into lockdowns then absolutely will have been the wrong. Oh for sure. And we're not out of the woods on that yet and that risk is still there. Obviously my answer is assuming that there is no covert spread of course one hundred percent of their is. It's not worth it for anything. It's not even bad for tennis because you can't be seen as as a sport that's going around spreading covid which the risk is there. Obviously i just. I feel like i have faith in the system that they haven't place but like you said with the powell medusa positive test you. You have players going to practice now. Well that's why they have the cohorts that's why they have videos from sasha by and he's been showing the venue and they have every court has its own tent that's has its own like a warm up area and cooling down area so if you're practising on a certain courts that's the ten to us. Obviously that's being sent sanitized assignment stuff so it i feel like they're quite thorough from that standpoint. I really really hope that. They don't spread the virus there. Because you know and all that stuff to to go back to the money side of it briefly all the customers money like buying a nice exercise bike for every individual hotel room. That's expensive you know in the weights and the food and the everything. It's just it's just so much it's so much investment in so much time as much money and everything and again. I love grand slam tennis. I think there are great. I loved the australian open as a fan as as person being there. I think it's i think it's tennis quality-wise often. The best tournament comes in healthy and at peak fitness in the conditions are usually pretty good is usually a good record speed and everything but yeah all. It's just like even for that. I'm just like i don't know and i think that's that's also. I know is a very common feeling right now among australians among melburnians. they're like even the tennessee are like. I don't know if this is worth it. There's a lot of second-guessing endowed of it right now and so so we'll see. Maybe everything one thing. I also picked up. A tennis was probably the last thing i have to say about this. But like last thing. I've seen the episode more or less than let's you close but tennis always is at its worst or at. Its most dubious when tennis isn't being played right like during the lockdown we learn. That's very much so like tennis. Players get in trouble like djokovic specifically use example doing his instagram lives with the health guru. Water wizard And even a-tour tour when there isn't like when they're not reminding us what made them special as as athletes right like once the balls start being hit in anger as the brits say and there there's live tennis being played in matches being played. Maybe everything will feel worth it but for right now when we're not seeing tennis being played we're not seeing the talents being showcased and when everything's therefore it's easier to sort of get upset or unimpressed. Disappointed with with everything involved in it. So maybe maybe once determine starts i will. I will feel well but it's just the it's it's a lot it's just a. It's a lot to go through for a tennis tournament or for a handful tennis tournaments. Look i think from the perspective. I think what what they're going through right now is kind of almost like a necessary reality check and it's new. It's new to them just like we're all going through stuff that we haven't seen before and and this is new to them and how they react to that i think will will be very telling in terms of the if you ask me. I think we said this more than once. We obviously make money when santa's happening because this is our job as well. So obviously i am getting commissioned for a lot of work during the australian open which should obviously. It's good for me however if you ask me personally i would rather it not happen if there is a risk of of spreading the virus. That's that's my that's always going to be my call like i'm never not going to say that and especially now that everyone soon will be getting vaccinated which means that the seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel so yeah i think i said everything. I'm just going to repeat what i was saying. So yeah let's kind of just might point And we'll see. I think the also the worst. We've seen the worst. I feel like things now are gonna start studying a bit for because there was just a lot of controversy back in back to back days. Just news you would. I would wake up every morning and australia. Seven hours ahead of me. And i'd be like oh my god all this happened while i was sleeping. It was like non stop and i feel that now. It's just going to start slowing down. I think a lot of the players have accepted your situation. I think we're just gonna see what's going to happen in nine days leading up to the tournament when everybody is is on site and stuff and yeah i'd left to them. Well ream. you are always our light at the end of the tunnel. Our light in the darkness. And thank you very much for being on here as well folks. They don't already should support rim on patron where she does. Lots of wonderful work inches a nice way to sort of center. 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Simon Baker, Phoebe Dynevor & Addison Rae?

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Simon Baker, Phoebe Dynevor & Addison Rae?

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Act took a second and ask me to eight soon. Obsessed with me made to. Wow the me. Too movement has come so far. I didn't know they had a theme song to move into. This has nothing to do with us. Justin timberlake wrote that song. Take back the night. Never even like it's a terrible song by most metrics but it is very people are very annoyed that addison rae who was plucked out of tiktok fame and also like in the. She's all that remake to be decided that addison. Rae is the face of tiktok her. An actress slash singer and jimmy fallon is now complicit on us complicit. She was on jimmy fallon. She performed this song and then she did. Tiktok dances with jimmy. Fallon in this really. Did you watch it. It's so humiliate durable. Yeah and he's just standing there with these cards and then he'll help like the savage dance or the whatever dance deal will do the dance but then like everyone's annoyed because a lot of other people she'd crete did not create any of these dances since ticked off is it's collaborative by nature. So like this beautiful woman. Who's the face of like who's pretending to be the face of all these dances that are done by like not just one person. Probably many people contribute to a lot of the you know. Because it's like you see it you remix it that person remixes is that it is just doing them as if they're hers and their cannon when when he better you assume that they're hers but they're absolutely not hers and it's very weird. I i mostly surprised by how bad the song is. And the fact that. It's i feel weird about the idea of a tiktok person breaking out of the platform who doesn't sing and doesn't act. But she does the dances but now they're saying oh but outside of this platform you sing and act and whether or not she could do those things before to me. There are so much good talent on tiktok that is singing and acting and doing like you can do those things on the app. But they're taking somebody who's famous for tiktok dancing which is which is really native to that app and taking them out and saying. Oh but can you do these other things and to me. That's like why not. Why why that makes no sense to me. It's disrespectful to the platform. In a way you know this song kind of reveals that. She's not not so good at this but they've decided that she's the tiktok queens so we'll see where this leads. I mean i guess it wouldn't be it. Wouldn't be what it is without trying to make somebody who has never released a song. Release a song. Because every single platform reality-tv whatever it is it. Music always comes first. They're always like put out a song. Who cares if you can sing a song. Music is very much like it couldn't hurt like right. Let's give her a song. Let's see if it works. If it doesn't hit people forget it. I mean you have bad baby of cardi b. you have every single drag queen. It's it's not unusual. We're not talking. This is not the first time it's been done. What was the priyanka chopra song that i fully forgot even existed. I don't know. I keep thinking of the kim kardashian song jam. That's always and i was reading. I was reading. The i was reading the priyanka chopra memoir and it was like well then. I decided to release a music in america. And i was like you did what and then i listened to the music. I fully forgot that she released many many songs. One of them. Pit bull. Why it's okay to try these things. I feel right addison. Rae is very much going to be a flashing. But still ratings. I guess we can't really slam her because like what do we expect like. The song is always the first thing what i love. This song wasn't like me too in the chorus. Yes i would love it if we went a different direction. And there's a difference between tiktok choreography in actual choreography like real dancers behind her. On the on the jimmy fallon show why he wanted the jimmy fallon choice and like my mom. Like o the oprah show like no. It's late night. With jimmy fallon she has actual real professional dancers behind her and the the distance between her abilities. And there's very evident. Wow i just feel weird. I'm trying to do this without being rude. But i'm just to watch people. Pluck people out of one platform. Put them another. When you have like a celebrity chef not a celebrity chef and a tiktok chef and they go onto like do cooking videos on youtube or release a cookbook. It makes sense. This translation doesn't make sense. And it's very presumptuous. Also the other thing is she literally broke up with her other boyfriend for the second time. And it's like wow convenient timing for that news to drop when your new singles out Can you can you name. Who the tick tock boyfriend was. of course i can. It's dock bryce hall all right so this is a video that i wasn't intending on filming but there are a lot of allegations and press around my name right now and i don't want the media to continue to tarnish my name so there's a few things that i want to address one being. Yes addison ny are broken up. I don't want to talk about specific reasons. Because that's our private business. I wanted to keep everything off social media in the first place but obviously that didn't work at all speaking front facing video comedy chad. Hanks is on one and needs to be stopped. I thinks needs to be stopped. i think. Rita wilson needs to stop paying his phone. Bill really needs to take them off the family plan because he imagined if you just disabled chet hanks's data. He doesn't know how to start his own cell phone. Are you kidding. He'll start a fucking cell phone company. What are you talking about. He is the guy he's the most entitled boy. My theory is that if you took chad hanks off the family and disabled his credit card accounts he would not have any idea what to do with themselves with literally start a company called siebel and his phones would be made out of cardboard and he'd be doing the front videos into a cardboard phone and hoping that went online cmo. I'm telling you read it. What's eight tommy he's trying. He's little entrepreneur entrepreneurs though she would say like a very bad frenchaccent. He's an entrepreneur. I be reminded me that it's been a year to the day since ted hayes did his patois accent that a lot of people liked and a lot of people didn't like at the golden globes was it. Where was it the globes not right over boobs. His mom was like mad at a hairdresser and jake was out on the red carpet. Doing a patois accent. The internet's losing it. They're like what are you thinking. And so frank commemoration of the year anniversary of this. He's decided to proclaim the white boy. Summer of twenty twenty one. Hey guys Look i just wanted to tap in really quick. i just got this feeling man That this summer is It's about to be a white boy summer. You know ticket how you want. I'm not talking about trump You know nascar type. Why i'm talking about you know you know me John jack harlow type white boy summer. You know what i mean. Let me know if you guys can vibe with that and get ready. Yeah but you had the you had a very astute observation here like this is really stupid. Yeah it's dumb chad. Hanks can be funny. Like there's something hilariously oblivious about chat hangs in there always will be and knowing like the fact that he comes from one of the most likeable people in hollywood like. There's maybe five people in hollywood as likable across generations as tom. Hanks and this is tom. Hanks's son it's very strange and it will always be peculiar. You told this boy to be himself. Okay we said stop doing this. Accent be yourself and he said okay white boy summer. That's just what i'm saying like whether or not you like it or not. I'm just telling you exactly what happened. I can see it as clear as day. you know. i'm just picturing tom. Hanks rolling his eyes at this and read it being like well. I mean he is a white boy. Did you see show was re tweeted this and wrote y'all not have a fan group chat colin. Hanks posted some ad for his lake handkerchiefs. And he's just him holding a pair. Summer is coming be ready. Lincoln bio handkerchiefs. Be ready summertime. And it's like. Yeah you guys are like guy should be overlapping and content or do you think collins just like. I don't need it. I don't deal with this. They're not coordinated also. I wouldn't be surprised. The thing about the thing about the hanks's. I bet they're all on the family plan. It's just that colin and the other one. What's her name elizabeth. They probably start their own phone plant conor jackson jackson something like that. Oh it's Do with the forest. it's forest. How are we so stupid forest. I think it's not forest. It's not name his house because forces a bad name. No you're right. It's like it's something to do with the forest though truman truman truman truman absolutely restart their phone plan. If they were kicked off are on the family plan. I don't think getting your phone back. Determiner of intelligence for you. The i mean the videos the the most bizarre thing. It's not even the most bizarre thing. The funniest thing about the chad. Hanks instagram stories. Where he's like giving up these stupid rules for stupid white boy. Summer is that he's just roaming around los angeles. It's very nice little peek into his life which has just driving around occasionally walking around on the says. Hey at the beach hit me up. If you're around. This is life and he does a little three sixty of what part of the beaches at and i bet people pop up and they're like oh did pop up. Tom has no idea. Any of this is happening. Why summer has also respecting people's boundaries. I don't know if you listen to all the rules but it involves respecting people's boundaries consent. Involved i appreciate us. Okay well we got some new rules and regulations for the white boy summer. Someone put forth the proposition that we ban all backwards hats. Shut that shit down. Real quick backwards. Hats are a will remain good. Also this is really really important guys as we get closer to summer and you know it gets hotter out and there's pool parties and barbecues boys it is not white boy summer to get all drunk and sweaty and you know sun breaks your face booze breath and going up to people that you barely fucking on getting all in their personal space. Okay doesn't matter if it's a dude that you think is now your best friend or a girl that you're trying to hit on. It's not white summer to be going up to people with our booze breath. All breed them breathing on them in shit entering and people like our closest friends and family. And when we've only known them for five minutes we gotta stop that shit guys we gotta better okay. We got some updates People asking me about sandals flip flops flip flops are good. Especially if they're the gucci wants rocking with some socks whatever. School sweatpants saul good but was not good or the fucking those little fucking rainbows and the refunds dude but the bottle opener on the you know what i'm talking about. We all got that friend. Who wears those funky flip flops. Moving on do a speeding him. White boys white boys summer. These two are going up at assumes these two are certainly living at brooklyn beckham and nikola pelts are now wearing each other's wisdom teeth on necklaces. Okay angelina it's nasty. It's i've been saying nasty. That's my my word of the summer. My master's my white boy summer saying nasty nasty these teeth their teeth plated in gold and they're wearing each other's wisdom teeth and they're very proud of this and they're showing the thing about teeth. Is that like teeth or gross. I if you're a dentist beautiful but like to meet ether. Gross now really kind of make me sick bay really. Do make me sick if they were just like teeth. Like i wouldn't be if they were like not the actual teeth i you know. Oh this is a great way to segue into celebrity spellcheck because when brooklyn posted the teeth on his instagram stories. He wrote words can't describe. Dis cri be how much i love you at nickel an pelts. I am the luckiest person on this planet x. I will love you forever and ever yeah. Well e- news had to sick them as she had and she had that spelling of describe Before we just get to spell check which you can have to actually say what it is because you just referred to it but then didn't fall through is that i just want to read this one. Daily mail headline. We're not the ones out here being like. Please stop the daily mail says insta cringe or another romeo beckham which is his brother's name from matching tooth jewelry to endless mucci self. How brooklyn beckham is awfully eager to berate his love for his fiancee on social media. They get it. They hate him. They had they just get it. So this takes us into a who adjacent sort of story. It's very australia who we don't know a lot of these people but in australia. Apparently there was a very popular dumas esque. Instagram accounts abbott. Less like they're like blind items related. It's more of a person being snarky about. Influencers specifically influencers not like bigger celebrities and no submissions. I don't think at least maybe they got to that point but it started out that way. So the way celebrity spellcheck worked then. Stop working now. Works again because it is back is if you're scrolling down scrolling through a celebrities instagram account. Or if you saw this brooklyn beckham thing you would screenshot the misspelling post it point out the misspelling with a snarky caption call the day. That's all it is. It's very simple. Is it petty. Yes is that funny. Of course it's funny. It reminds me very single service. Tumbler like there's not much to it. Even the stories. Don't get super complicated. It feels like an old school blog and away it does. And what's funny. is we remember. We covered th how jamie oliver didn't know his daughter's age when he celebrated her birthday. This was the account that notice that. Like i knew the daily mail wasn't checking his. The feels very specific for the daily mail. But this was the account that called it out so make sense. They're actually like doing. they're finding funny. Things beyond the spelling you know way are influenced her name tall. Es gains posted a list of food she was eating for the week. And it says this week's dinners lots of seafood and then you read the list. There's not one seafood on the list. It's all chicken. And the caption was. I see none. Well my my favorite. Which i didn't even realize whoa originated from celebre spell. Check but remember. We talked about this australian influence. Our elise knowles. I don't remember posted. You posted wallah but spelled it. Wallah w. a. l. l. a. h. instead of v o i la celeb- spellcheck must have been one of the first people to notice while la. That's that's what this person did. So they got shut down recently or they went absent they went. They went dark for a while and had to do with the fact that like a lot of wine influence. Or who was like i this is like cyber bullying and i'm like going to sue or whatever and recently lindsay. What was the story. They came back. And i guess the daily mail did a story about how i guess the daily mail but i assume the account as well went to some lawyer can actually get in trouble for this and lawyer was like no first of all you absolutely care it would be idiotic for anyone to to sue in anonymous person because they don't even know if they have the assets that are even worth getting but if you were just doing for the point of suing would be really expensive. Because you'd have to prove what they're saying is false. If it's misspelling it's not false. You did misspell something. So it's not so you can't defamatory not defamatory right. that's the new pivot so a lot of the celebrities who were still upset about this account. These australian florence specifically are saying well since. It's not technically defamatory and it's not technically any of these other things it could be cyberbullying. We should make this count as cyber bullying and so here comes celebs spellcheck posting one influencers screed about why. What celeb- spellcheck does is cyber bullying and it's like pointing out my misspellings is. Bullying is wrong. Cut to the next frame and celebs spell checks carousel. And it's a podcast episode from this exact influence her talking about how. She's happy to make fun of people who. Dm her and misspell. the words. And i had just written with north. And i don't usually respond but the ones that have many spelling errors. I feel like it's my human judy just to tell them. If you're going to send me a height message at lace boat go right like i get that right not going to get much of a fight toward me so i just corrected all of this spelling and i thought it was the funniest thing while they are doing they were doing a little bit of covid shaming this year. So they they got into every piece of inch of influence her culture. You know celeb- underscore spellcheck. You can follow it. We follow it and it is followed by sarah michelle gellar so hey guys so. I thought today. I would do a quick little video. About what supplements. I take us on snapchat. If any of you guys to do a video on the supplements i take and why when how and love you said yes so a here have am i crazy lindsay or have there been a ton of babies born this up specifically this month. I mean specifically this week specifically last week. The last fourteen days every celebrity baby was born not only was the next coming of the australian christ arrived again. That's the weird way to put it. Not only was the future queen of australia born. I know they don't have a queen but like whatever they vinnie. Irwin's kid aka grace warrior or wind. Powell not only that but hillary duff had a baby. Emma stone had a mysterious baby actually still had a baby eric. Von denton from busy movies had a baby. Emily radha had her baby two weeks ago summer walker. Had a baby had a baby. Cassie had a baby and katharine mcphee. Had a baby about a month ago or something. These two swedish royals had abadie. Nieto said he could have a baby because he his wife stop them from getting of effective dr. There's like a weird couple by the way they're going on there that there are very classic on again off again. I don't wanna touch it but it's weird anyways. We have all these babies. I feel like we should rank these babies by importance by from them that rude. I mean it is rude okay. It's rude is that cyber bullying. Most the most important baby is been the when baby. There's never been a more important baby. I say second most important baby. Is emma stone's baby. Okay okay. Then i would say after that. We've got hilary duff's third baby. Whose name is james bear. Oh it's bear not blair. Oh i miss read. That bear hug bears but it must be family name or something and then we have. What's next is it. Who's morphing rats baby rat or cassie. I don't wanna put katharine mcphee baby on this. That's not a relevant baby. I feel grad. His baby comes next flow. And then kassy's baby summers baby. I think as some walkers baby also mysterious baby. What's funny is that some are walker specifically with like. I'm never gonna share photos by kid on an on the internet by but then london on detract like posted a photo of her hand and it was like god. Goddamn it like pay attention to them. Okay we don't have a name but we know that their nickname for the baby is princess bubblegum. Okay all we know. You have frankie. Muniz is baby. No let's do kassy's baby is next. Kassy's baby is sonny cinco fine sunesson go cute name sonny cinco then we have mas moseley muniz which not a cute name. Southern puff name what is going on. That's such a tough name. Mas moseley mute muniz. Then we have. I guess katharine mcphee's baby. Whose name is rennie. And she was pissed because she was trying to keep that a secret but it lasted about four minutes because her husband went on some tv show was like verani and she was like what the fuck no. I thought it was the other way around. I thought she's the one who went on tv and said the name and david foster was like why'd you fuck and do that. Oh i think it was the other way around. I thought it was e- it up. No david foster's medic katharine mcphee for revealing the name. Oh she would to. She would tear show where you're gonna watch her. Show her like flop show. What is even her show. I could on. What's her show. She has a show called country. Comfort on netflix in her husband's eddie sabrina. I'm never going to watch that show. Apparently it's like a very classic sitcom format but it's too messy people on purpose. The messy est. Do oh i think so. I think it was. I think it was a very deliberate. And she sings. Hey listen aren't you from an you know. Do you have any kids. Give needs fierce winds five. You look my dad my phone that i just need to use your phone. Hey oh i'm bailey. Our new nan. Nannie number ten is winner. Nannies was wrong with y'all she showed up and was music to their ears. Oh is it fucking sound of music. Music tree yeah but in the country. And it's katharine mcphee. I get a no nazis. I get it. Here's the thing. I'm obsessed the only response to giving birth is summer walkers who posted. Let's all forget. I was pregnant. Move on with our lives. So i can enjoy my little angel and piece. Just i was pregnant. She has the she. Emma stone have good responses here. Truly the opposite is mindy irwin though because we got a quote like our graceful warrior is the most beautiful light writes. The new mom lasts on this list. We didn't even say at second. Alaska's ashley tisdale whose babies names jupiter jupiter irish french. That's weird iris. Not irish a little weird then eric. Von denton whose baby is claire. Claire reshef is the first. 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The opportunities having a baby provides for jason derulo new career as a tiktok maker You thought he was cheesy before. Just wait until this guy is a dad pop quiz. Do you remember where they met. Through their publicists. They met at up. They met at a at a specific place a chain but not a restaurant through national set up by their publicist to meet at a chain restaurant not a restaurant. But it's a chain a national chain. But i don't remember equinox. They met at equinoxes at the gym. Because she's a fitness influencer k. Dies welcome back to my youtube channel. Sugar jenna and i'm back okay. We might not be doing at home workouts. But i'm back. I'm going to be welcoming new into my life and just give you a little more in depth. Look at my daily life and life has changed a lot since everything going on. I'm super excited. Because it's a big difference. I'm now a relationship. A nice healthy happy relationship and we should say how much you care about me. How much the. I'm not gonna lie. This is jason mateo introduction. We connected earlier this year and have been inseparable. Ever since and it's been real fun being stuck at home with jase but babies are good for both of these people. Jason derulo once more content babies great for content and the baby journey for someone who is pregnant and a fitness influence to go from how to be a pregnant how to be a recently given birth philly owned. Yes these two are so savvy. They're so savvy it's like it's like upsetting. How savvy they are in is upsetting. How savvy they are. But that's why i'm being cynical about this. And i'm seeing this as like. Wow what a business. Opportunity more couples getting together. Oh god this is so dull. Just kidding davidson popped up popped up in england. Why is pete. Davidson in england Great question he was spotted with none other than lady bridgeton richardson. What's her name. Is gina war. But what's her name on the show. Lisa what are they not lisa. Not lisa this stuff nip. Not phoebe her name on the show. It's her name on the show. Is her name on the show. Diane no sarah name on the show. Ten daphne daft miss stuff nip brigitta it shows how like i watched the show in full forgot it immediately after you know it just went in one ear went out. The other literally went in one end and out the other ear short sea shooting. They start at the second season because what's her name. Odua ando posted a photo of her and the other the most interest the older women. Yeah the photo three of them in costume and it was like we're back and they're doing they're doing charlie's angels thing. They were spotted walking. Phoebe and pete were spotted walking through a small english village which is called cavs wall staffordshire and the best part about this was. They were spotted by a fourteen year. Old name ready for this name tilly. Wag she spotted them. This is like a regular. I love this because this girl is like a fricken What's her name. The sleuth the child sleuth. What's her name. She's a regular harriet. The spy she spotted pete davidson in some woman. And she said is that pete davidson and some woman she walked right up to and said is at davidson and he said no an english accent but later he said i'm getting an american accent. It was quite funny and then she got a picture with him. Mind you just him not her and sent that picture straight to the press. why. Because i see it. They are so fuss itself. He so clearly. Pete davidson hilarious and then she gave more details. She said they were holding hands and they were hugging. Seemed like they were a couple. She told page six. They walked past our house and i recognized him immediately. I hadn't seen anything written about. Pete being in a relationship with phoebe but once i saw them together i thought maybe they are. I knew him from when he used to date 'grande i listened to her music sometimes. She said he seemed quite happy. And didn't mind me taking a picture with him. I didn't ask for a picture with phoebe. Because at the time i did it. No she was i. My brain is exploding. The british team the british team knows. Who american pete. Davidson is and has no idea who tennis. But here's my purpose. Here's why i find that. A little suss if i may not disbelieve tilly. Who i think is fantastic but are you questioned. Don't doubt tilly. But i'm just saying. Listen to this if she reported that page six together but she didn't know who she was. How did she find out how this woman who this woman was when she reported it because if she called up david's and she was like oh pete was walking with some woman. Here's a picture of me. And pete. But i don't have a picture of the woman do you think she also had a picture of the woman that she took from. Maybe a foreign they identified her as phoebe. Maybe she figured it out later because she does say at the time. I didn't know who she was there. Such a random couple that you would take you a long time to figure that out. No unless he is like from this town. And that's why they were in this town vs not from this town. She's for manchester chm outside manchester. Okay but not too far from cavs not too far close. It's north of london. It's just not quite where this town is but it is close ish. I guess. I don't know i don't know it is funny that she didn't recognize her first. Though it is funny that a fourteen year old spotted pete davidson in like a small english town and then ratted him out to the papers immediately to be. He's not trying to not look like davidson truly cannot win. I'm not just it's just like if you're feet davidson you'd be like what the fuck i can't even go to like a small. Uk village. You know like that is so it's funny to me. Sorry it's hilarious. Well that that also proves his them status. I feel like when we call pete davidson them at least for a time. People were very very kind. No because who energy. But like you're right. This kind of says a lot to be fair. This is very specific age. We're talking now oriented. Grand is ex boyfriend ex-fiancee that really gave him a big boost for anyone under the age. Of whatever you know what we need to do anytime. we're on the fence about. Who are them. We should just contact. Tilly wagon cavs wall. We should call it the tilly test until tilly wag fourteen years old from caverns. Well know who this person is and the question is a lot of time. That'd be really hard for me to know you can have relationships. This is really stupid. I just have king of them speaking of relationships this headline another gossip cop headline jason statham driving rosie huntington whiteley crazy and corentin. Let me guess no no. They came to the conclusion that no he is. Not they said there's no reason to think that state them as caught in a funk or that it's driving whiteley nuts. Did you see that some like whoever was like. Prince william is the hottest bald man in the world and everybody was like. Yeah i saw that like. What have you met jason statham. Have you met the rock. Have you met vin diesel. Have you much shallower. Moore's and it was a new study it's from. I have the tab open. Now it's science you're gonna tell me it's science science science it says okay. I'm quoting people including people it says. Prince william named world's sexiest bald man. According to new study. The duke of cambridge beat out. Dwayne the rock johnson jason statham and michael jordan for the title and it says researchers found that thirty eight year. Old duke of cambridge was described as quote sexy. Seventeen point six million times in blogs reports and pages found through. Google search according to a report from the sun which cited at the study by cosmetic surgery specialists longevity so they were just looking at public data in which bald men were referred to specifically as sexy. I'm sorry no that's not science. That's i science. After list was made public many share their thoughts on the raking on social media. What actor who wasn't mentioned in the initial list however also began to trend on twitter in response as well stanley tucci. What did stanley tucci do to deserve. This disrespect this is gross. Stanley tucci eraser said one user. He posted on instagram. Did you see people were like tweeting. Things like stanley tucci is like hot. We love him. He wears so horny for him and his wife and his sleep blunt retweeted it was like what the fuck come on guys like. Stop doing like look what i have to deal with now. I bet that is. She's definitely making a joke. But there's no way has behavior has not completely changed in the past eighteen months. There is to ruth in this tweet. Which i will now quote. This will be exhausting to live with. I bet he was like a real sweetie no problems and now that he's like karate honky i bet he's become borderline insufferable. Oh yeah he's literally. He's literally turned and he's literally turning into a jeff goldblum. It's like he went from being like cnn. Show going to italy and eating pasta to being like. Oh i'm sexy now. I'm jeff goldblum. You know she's like if you make me another negroni. I am going to kill you. i am going on. Now is her drink. that's why he was making them in the first place not anymore. She cracks open a beer. She does not want another drink that he has to make. She's on beer wine. Now that's speaking of not anymore. Did you see this. Simon baker headline which may me laugh or the one about facebook. Simon baker goes facebook official. With new girlfriend. Laura may gibbs as they promote his new film together in the northern territory. First of all. There's so many great things going on this headline first of all going facebook official. What year is it two thousand. And what's going on here. He may as well be like. It may as well be devil wears proudest. Simon baker for saying goes in two thousand twenty one people also. Where's the northern territory. Where is it where were they. We're in australia australia. It's one of the provinces there's northern territory. There's queensland new south wales. There's south australia. And there's western australia. Why is it there consistency here australia. You have west australia. South australia's northern territory queensland and new south wales in case. You're wondering seinfeld call in australia. Do not call him in kisser. Simon bigger got divorced from his wife of twenty nine years last month. Although people claims they broke up months before that that's a total or site just to make an okay that he got with this younger woman. Who is laura gibbs thirty six and is the founder of a by byron bay based sustainable active wear label inspired by her love of yoga said inspire twice. But you get it lindsey. What i didn't know. He was australian. Until this i didn't either. I thought he was. I thought he was british areas. Read the notes to find out that your australian. I had no idea. Yeah let me say something. Got the big nicole. Kidman morning hell is now on the show. You have no way. That's the only australian. I know in my ear ear but my ear nose. That's fine you. How do you do the american so well. You just are able to jump into it. You know. I grew up watching. Get smart and And you know hogan's heroes. We have a. We have a lot of american television straight so i grew up hearing hearing it a lot. And when you hear you You just you know you surrounded by it. So do you find that people expect you to have an american accent like when you recognized in public or people sort of surprised people throwing a very convincing christian thompson and devil wears prada. 'cause i never watched the mental list. I've haven't watched him enough to like crack that he's like. Oh this guy's the people who are faking their accent. Whether it's an american picking brit- brit- faking an american. Whatever it cracks if you watch it enough and really only familiar with the devil wears product. Sorry i had to look up the really sexy rahm commies in that i love. What's oh something new. Oh my god. I love that wrong. So hot romcom. Don't you love that romcom. No i love. I love something new. Something new is one of one of the great Arts romcom okay. Great just wanted to. That's like simon baker's forget devil was proud. I guess he's good in that. But like that and forget the mental list who as a villain he's a villain you but i'm just saying that. That is his crowning jewel. That's the crowning jewel of his career to me too. i think. Color brings in energy that accents census emit can make you feel sad. It can make you feel happy. Thank you feel. Bold bold is definitely not me. Sure i don't think you take the time to know you are always working. Yeah well some of us have to work extra hard just to stay in the game. You wouldn't understand moving on margin call. I've seen margin call. Okay moving on. We have an update. We have sugar povo update. Do we need a noise for sugar. Popa is going to be a regular occurrence. No it's the flash in the pan but we do have an affinity for celebrities and candy we do. I was looking at us weekly. And i saw the headline maria sharapova colon inside a day in my life. And i was like i bet you one million dollars. This is going to be sugar. Post bond and i was right one meal i was like what time and the day is because it's always like ooh i wake up at two. Am and then. I have like my grandma. She pop win handy talked about a candy. And i'll tell you so for starts at eight. Am it says she gets her blood circulating first thing in the morning then at eleven. Am during her busy schedule during her busy schedule during her busy schedule sharipova stops to smell the roses. Or in this case peonies we find every day eleven. Am she stops to smell flowers every day. She stopped cisco herpes while she says i find a beautiful space helps inspire new ideas. She admits both what sorts of new ideas. You ask. Well let me tell you at twelve pm. The former number one gets to work newpapers for her sugar pooper. Kumble's no not gumbo knock on balls sitting next to the peonies which she stopped to smell. They gave her some creative juices. She's on the floor kind of like a coffee table and she has her laptop open. Water there a two usually displayed things of sugar poker gumbo go gobbled and like color swatches pan tone color swatches. She's working these working. These like four dumbbells to sitting on the table really going She's trying to see which colors will be complementary to the yellow yellow pink and green. Like gum balls. How do you feel about gun balls. No i don't like on balls. No i feel. Like if i'm gonna chew gum it's not gonna be from a gumbo tumbles. No not at all. They're also like they really definitely hurt your teeth. I'm sure you know they're not going to have your teeth for those balls is good for your teeth but balls. The used to sell it origins. They were like really breath gum balls and they have them in a big gumbel machine at origins and yet the mall and go get a gun ball from the gumbo never been inside and origins but they sold these like these weird like aroma. Therapy eight. yes. I don't know why they accidentally were you eating about bombs. I was small. It wasn't a gumbo machine. I wasn't eating a bath bomb. I would be dead. Because i ate wino- all medicine. I used to eat all the time. But i think everyone did that. I just can't founded edison. Tom's a ludens cherry luton. Those are good. Those are the one of the best food and you cannot kill you are you kidding. I hope not. I went through a phase where i was like always quote. What six like at eat rica's a lot. I loved them which flavor like any flavor. I just loved them. They're so spicy. And i'm sick. It's like their candy. There have children them. Mutual barton of the six cents over here. I once went through a phase where it was quote unquote sick always quote unquote sick. Why did you do this. Because i love candy. What are you. What do you want what i did i would. I would fake sick to get out of football practice. Oh okay okay. I'm sorry junior high. I would lay the groundwork the day before. I'd be like oh my throat because i when i really didn't want to go practice. Yeah and then. The next day it would have been a full blown cold. And i'd be like i can't go to football practice and my mom ago find. This is what i found. When i found out what shin-splints were in high school and i was like wait. There's an injury that gets you out of field hockey that no one can prove. It's fake that women get more than men. Well i have it. So i'm going to call and be like i actually had shin splints like that sucks for you. I never did with just like okay. 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It seems to be not only an avatar but throughout your movies because of avatar et cetera in terms of avatar. But it seems to me. And i'm sure that you agree. I mean obviously you made avatar when you think of the geniuses. Who who designed avatar. Obviously you worked with a lot of scientists and aeronautic engineers. But i'll obviously a lot on. Pandora was also fantastical right. You think that one day planes will fly was circular wings like that or is that just fantasy. We have them now. They're called helicopters. They want the land. They want The minerals they want the resources which is called quite famously. Of course in avatar the unobtainable. So what you're saying. And what we see avatar so magnificently with they ought to kaya and that is the spiritual perspective and. That's what the navy demonstrate. I was pretty universally mocked and teased during my presidential campaign for tweets that i had written Back when the avatar movie. I came out in two thousand nine. You probably know jim. I have been rather universally teased about my twins about avatar. When i was was running in addition to being teased so much for avatar tweets. Don't underestimate what avatars done. I stand by my tweets. My dog you okay. I stand by my tweets and also look at the profound success of the movie around the world which takes me to a question. I was thinking about you when the mars rover landed. We are the aliens who come to pandora. Pandora is the real world. But the very fact that you're making the sequels says to me you must have hope in the movie when obviously there's the warriors now i want to tell you this i was in israel and i was talking to some israeli and palestinian peacemakers. And i said i'm i'm telling you the truth. I said well you know great. Mother doesn't chew sides. according to avatar. The great mother doesn't chew side. She's there to protect balance. Yes she doesn't pick a winner. She protects balanced. And you know what the palestinian and israelis in the you know their reaction the they they thought about their good and i think it was because some of them obscene avatar new reference. Yeah i thank you so much. I thank you for what you're films have given. I think if what avatars giving me personally. I hope that you never doubt. I can't imagine what it's like for your wife. Does he ever say she probably doesn't want to say to gemini dream. The lesson idea. She lives in a very rich dreamworld herself. And she's been known to have prophetic dreams. Well i would not expect the universe to send you a partner of any less depth and perspicacity. God bless you jim. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and never ever doubt about the changes being made by that movie in the minds and the hearts of people. I can certainly tell you it may changes in mine cara. Delevingne had two toilets installed in her bathroom. So she's smart. She's on the lou speaking of them. She's a bit of them but would she has her friends over. They can talk to each other in the bathroom. I know she is kind of vami. She literally like went out to like nobu with a joan collins whose her godmother that's that's can see what a what a crazy them. There was another double date. That happened will not even another one. There was a double date. that happened. People sought courtney kardashian and travis barker wit to the ufc fight with megan fox and machine gun kelly. But it's not like they sat together because there's no setting together these days you know. They're just both there. But the implication that's a double date is funny because they're not actually seated near each other because of distancing and i don't even know arrived together maybe they did and that's the proof but we have no proof. This is a double date. This is two different couples who were at the afc fights which were televised to be fair. Though i think travis and what's his face at a machine gun kelly worked on music together. Because travis i think produced a bunch of his music. So it's like they are friends. And courtney crashing would get along with megan fox. They both have like four kids. Three kids they totally would get along. I feel like courtney. Cox courtney cox were ni kardashian and megan fox probably have identical actually in plus courtney crashing plus megan. Fox equals courtney cox in my brain. Yeah did you understand. Did you see gortat. Cogs post a full video on how to make fish on her. Instagram said that to me like a full twenty minutes on how to make fish. Okay sorry i just. Can't i mean these celebrities. Like what are they doing. We need the vaccine. Okay so i'm going to teach you how to make roasted halibut with cherry tomatoes. All in one pan starting with these guys. You're going to have these cherry tomatoes for this dish. We know how to make. Fish courtney cox well did you. Also she she posted. The last thing she posted was lemon pasta. If i am going gonna look how to make lemon pasta. I know we had nearly had the vaccine but theoretically we've never needed the vaccine more than i'm watching the cox fish on fucking instagram. That's a tangent. let's play a game of. I don't know her. We haven't done this in a while. I got one you have one. Yes speaking of courtney cox. Here's one this courtney cox know-who addison. Rae is this is kind of easy. Actually let's see how you do it a My gut says yes. And i'm trying to make sure that. I agree with my gut. I can tell you why. I think this is easy. But i wanna hear you. I know that courtney as we have decided in this past this last segment is very thirsty for attention. She's trying to get into the social media game. I know she's looked at tiktok. I'm pretty sure she's. I'm pretty sure she's familiar with addison. Rae because it was like she's one of the top tick talkers. And has a platform courtney cox would like to see herself Succeed And how old. How old would you venture courtney cox daughter is at this point. The famous cocoa seventeen sixteen. She's sixteen gotta a tick tock daughter. Okay so he's got tiktok daughter. And courtney i bet you. Courtney probably watches jimmy fallon all she could no addison. Rae from any number of places. Avenues whether her own like social media dossier her daughter or because she watches. Normies stuff like jimmy fallon. Now i'm gonna that's correct. That is correct. I'm gonna give you out that's correct. Thank you thank you got one. Oh how about this. How about this. I have one okay. Does jason derulo know-who nikola pelts show your work position. Jason derulo like a like a kind. But i guess You've just jason derulo knew who nikola peltz's i think jason derulo knows who a lot of who's are because he is he literally exists in a subculture. Now that is like he'd addison. Rae is on jason derulo watchlist. He's all over her right like yes. She's not age appropriate but if she was he'd try and date her but but nikola pelt outskirts because she's barely celebrity at this point you know And she's more of a daily mail celebrity than she is. A tiktok were online celebrity. You know she's not see retail jobs. He no he about himself like he reads about he. He knows him see himself on the tabloids but has gone alert. Here's every possible alert. I feel like she's kind of niche in a different direction and me. And i think jason derulo is so busy making content that he actually doesn't look for his own press. He gets his own press. Sent to him like he has people if anyone has an old school press setup. It's jason derulo with like publicists like out here. Sending him like daily rundowns of mentioned but just like positive stuff to all him. They keep him in the dark. When it comes to negative press o negative tweets. Of course we have to keep him in high spirits. But so i actually would say no. I think no is the answer. I think i wasn't sure. I think i agree with you. Okay i have a quick follow up. Does he know who brooklyn beckham s. Yes right does he know who victoria. Beckham is shore. If he heard brooklyn beckham's name he'd be like oh tori beckham son like he wouldn't know he'd make the connection or he'd z. David beckham's son. Because let's be real. He knows david beckham for shore. I guess it's more of a question of is brooklyn beckham all that famous. I feel like this show has made me think that brooklyn beckham is much as a much bigger deal than he actually is. The other thing really to is like would they end up at the same party. Which in some worlds. I would say. Yes but i think because brooklyn beckham lives in new york and jason real lives in california. I just don't know they definitely been them at the same award shows. Maybe because whether beckham's used to go to like award shows that was a thing for like hot minute but not anymore. I don't think and jason derulo i would say shop at the drop of a dime you know at the pin opin. A dime a pin the her diamond. Drop of a pen. Okay but i like it. Works gravity effects all things equally if he would show but the opening of a frozen yogurt store. I know that's not a saying but he would. The opening of an envelope is saying yes award show got it. Remember that for next time you had a follow up. I her for me. Yeah yeah does emma stone. Know who. Chet hanks's i feel like it's like an obvious. Yes but like so your work. Emma stone is quote unquote private. Never did i think i would say show your work in a professional setting unlike a deterrent encinas quote unquote private. She doesn't really put herself out there in the way a lot of her peers do in terms of social media. She doesn't seem to care about wanting to be relatable out star outside. Sort of your major monolithic celebrity friends places like talk shows and red carpets and stuff like that and glossy interviews. She's not like out here trying to be funny on social media but does that mean. She doesn't have a fenced funding normal. We know she's funny. She's dating. she's married company right. Dates a comedian isn't the nfl writers. And so i think that if anyone's keeping her in the quote unquote last. It's the husband. Because i kind of do get the feeling that emma stone as a little more serious than even she appears. I know a few people who there was a when i was in college. Paul rudd was in town for like south by south west and a few of my weirdly hung out with him a couple times. He's so he's so it was a weird like at a bar or something he was around. Yeah and i've heard this from other people to where it's like. Paul rudd is like apparently notoriously unfunny like a serious guy and is like a funny actor when he has a script. But he's like kind of unfunny. I get that vibe from emma stone where you're like she's not she's not like a ha- person you know there were i always know. I think it's also like i'm a comedian in my life but then when people meet me they're like be funny. You're funnier comedian. And you're like and i'm not buying me. Yeah look up thinking about pete davidson. We just talked about pete davidson. Probably kind of funny in real life. I forgot if you joke with. But i i remember hearing some quite a few interviews with somebody. Who would they kept being like. I don't like being funding on command and people are like. Oh median do joke. You know be funny. Do a joke and you're like no. I'm actually serious. It's just always something. I think about whenever you see a funny person and you wonder whether or not they're funny like at the dinner table and i get the feeling that emma stone is like pretty quiet and chill and i don't uptight might be the wrong word but just like not funny but as you feel like you need to be she successful and you need to be you. You need to have a setting. That's not funny on the. Yeah and this is such a long winded way of getting to my explanation. But i started thinking about her contemporaries such as yeah jennifer lawrence. Sure sure and it sort of like. Imagine these people. Your friends is jennifer lawrence. The type of person. I could send if i were friends with jennifer lawrence. Send the shut. Hanks video and say. Ll and imagine. I'd be getting response. Jennifer lawrence i think would lap whatever group chat. Emma stone is in. I don't think they're laughing at chad. Hayes whatever group chat. Jennifer lawrence is in the woman adele or whatever. I think they're laughing at. Hey okay. I don't think that emma stone knows that this is happening a lot. I feel like she knows who he is in the sense that like. She knows that. Tom hanks son who did that. Thing at the golden globes last year like I don't think that she knows that white boy summer happened. No well. that's no well. She'll just had a baby she's probably busy. I mean the the more interesting question is like this. This tweet that you put in here from sofia ben wa on twitter One follower no dad one of the great user names she said. I do not believe tom. Hanks and chat hank snow or even know of other. That's job obviously. But like the extent to which. Tom is following chat. Drama is i was. Maybe the most intriguing thing about this. It's the great unknown here. Like how much does tom keep tabs on chat. I think tom worries about chats. Like health and safety and stuff like that right like does he care about this day to day white boy summer stuff. I kind of i kind of assume no. He's like is he hurting. Anyone know isn't earning himself no. Is he ruining the relationship. Probably right like he does get like daily rundowns from like his pr person about like what arita like. Do we need to know what's he doing. What's he up to write. Read the one that pasolini for me but basically more of a defensive like will i be will. I be asked any questions about my son today. If i were to interview right. That's a better way of putting it but that's a better way of putting. Maybe that's a little more cynical but come on. People don't really ask him about chat much though because they're not allowed to think about it and if you're going to respect anyone's like rules it's going to be tom. Hanks speaking of people we love. let's go to rita. what was she wearing. Where was she seeing she posted. Why aren't she's the who clean ten fold town. What's rita ora up to. Who is this woman to so much. but it's boring. But that's the best part is like you have fourteen thousand headlines about the literally the most boring shit ever. She wore a shirt. he wore a top. She wore a bottom. She wore a mid drift. She wore this. She wore her pajamas he wore. Pvc trousers. She wore pajamas. She posed in front of what looks like a music video that she's shooting because it has all these props like late night lounge or whatever all these music when she did do. She took a picture of herself in the studio. Which means we're getting a bang. Bang rain remix again. I'm for an lp. We've had enough gps lp fem justin theroux vibe. She's got going on. And i'm sorry. Justin throw them theroux. Yes is that is that it's happening now and one of the comments was like stop copying dua lipa which is true. Kind of looks like she's got to do leap vibe going on here. She loves stealing aesthetics morita. She really does love lifting authentic actually. She's a chameleon she is a chameleon. She loves to be inspired. She loves to be inspired her defense. Attorney your events. i know. i'm sorry. I know it's it's indefensible. She's she's a she loves an aesthetic. That's not hurts. It's true. Rena saw yarmuth lawyer your. You're she's the chameleon. don't lose their mealy. How many times. I say iran. She thought lifting renaissance style lifting okay. What else does she up to. Is that ed. There really are just so many and yet again. I know we've been saying this for a few weeks but this is this is normal in the sense that it's not even tied to stuff like it's not even tied to like rita ora flaunts her assets on the set of the masked singer no. They're just aggregating her instagram posts. They're aggregating her twitter posts. This is the most classic readership you would like to remind you that we still haven't seen twist well we need the bbn. It just takes a lot of work. I don't even think it's available in the uk anymore. yes it is. It's on the i player. It's on the i will. Then how do i get it okay. Well again to the vpn use whatever the vpn that they're constantly it's wild. Vpn advertising straight up says like excess stuff from other countries have vpn advertiser. It's we did. I would use the advertisement to say. Watch watch it watch twist with your vpn slash who weekly but we never vpn advertiser what. I'm sorry do you think that our users you think our audience doesn't want a vpn they wanna vpn. I'm gonna tell you this much. I'm gonna watch twist before we record again and you should too weird on. Thank you for listening to another episode of who weekly call in at six one nine who them to leave questions comments and concerns for our friday show. Who's there thank you day. Katie and eric. who's supplying the rita. Theme song us puttering about who weekly twice weekly bonus episodes the got a special vip line. You don't know what you're missing. Honestly it changes every week. Oh right and re write reviews for us on apple podcasts. We love your have in regular review yet. And you're listening to this podcast. What are you waiting for. just do it. It's very nice. 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That Was Easy

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22:26 min | 1 year ago

That Was Easy

"Rear big rig news via jeff goodman quoting jim behind your boy. I think we'll play some main this year. Especially in the non conference goes whoa zone. I zone is for cowards so you think that they're actually recognizing that. Finally zone is for cow. I don't care if they recognize and i'm speaking to the kids. Zone is out house. We're going to start somewhere else though with rob gronkowski bomani vive retired tight end held a press conference here in new york to announce his new life as a c._b._d. Magnate selling cannabinoid derive pain relief but it was talk of his old life that had rocked looking like we've rarely early seen him before. I wanna clear to my fans. I'm needed to recover. I was not in a good place thought football was it's bringing me down and i didn't like it and i was losing that joy in life like the joy. I'm sorry right now but let me i really was and i was fighting through it. What gronk sound like thirty. You sounded like a man dan who'd been waiting to tell somebody this right like he seemed to unburden himself because like this that wasn't supposed to go exactly like that useful like everybody else's these days c._b._d. We'll like that's where he was supposed to be. No that's not where he got. He wound up getting to this emotional place. In fact he goes a little bit farther. Am i trying to go the batch. A sub for five had minutes at night. I couldn't even think i was in tears in my back. After a super bowl victory it did make that much sense to me now for four four weeks. I couldn't even sleep for more than twenty minutes after a super bowl win and i was like damn this sucks like it. It didn't feel good like this. Game hurt really badly and something that i do think is happening. Now is more guys talk with social media eighty and stuff like that is we got a general idea to plan football hurts and they guys are sore. We're gonna hear more and more about the particulars of into here from a guy like that. Most people don't give much the credit for being thoughtful at all. You don't have to be that damn offer to be like this is really really really really painful to do and it explains why he walked away. Maybe he goes back at some other point but that'll sound like a man who misses what came with football at all and the word that he used that we just heard andrew luck us joy and maybe that's just a random coincidence or maybe it's telling because in gronk and andrew luck you had two players who clearly loved the game as much as any player that we i saw these were guys who were football to the core guys who had in bronx case a golden retriever leg demeanor work all these to care that was football football football football. That was the public image of rob gronkowski what we're seeing now beneath the surface is an introspection is a sentence instead is jarring to see yeah but also think and this is just rock in general that's worth noting. He didn't ask us to patronize him. In the way that we did right like we made to call ourselves who decided to patronize him compared to animals and stuff like that like what i thought stuck out about this is that is a real live human being that is there and we we took in with him and described a lot of things that we would assume about somebody like him but i thought about this. She did that story about grunge. Everybody around her said the same think there's do-doesn't and so we thought of him somebody who didn't think about anything other than football. These cats are human beings and it gets to be an important point to mention that just because of quest quest to look for these gladiators and everything else we do treat. These guys like unfeeling robots. We're just get back out there and play again like all is gonna come back that is sound like a man who's coming back and that it also looks like a man about twenty pounds lighter than the last time i saw oh yeah that's a guy who last we saw was joyous and also super tough and now he looks like this next jim irsay a owner of the colts he was nice enough not to recover bonus money from the retired andrew luck and now some fans want refunds on their season tickets because the face of the franchise when they bought in won't be playing obviously the fans aren't getting what they thought they were paying for pablo but should say really get fast their money back. Look on the colts for a lot when it comes to the andrew lucked scenario real. I get on ryan grigson in verse eight for empowering ryan grigson for essentially handling andrew luck like one of those shopping carts at grocery store. They did not protect him. He was banged up that is is on them but when it comes to this i see no obligation moral or otherwise that they have to refund these tickets right. I mean i understand that. The fans are super disappointed in super shocked at what they paid for. They're not getting but they have no legal or moral obligation because this is sports. They're paying to see the team and if the players don't show up for one reason or another trader retirement. That's just kinda. How go see if you bought season tickets. Assuming that andrew luck was going to play. We're greta. Hell bent for the last three or four years right. There's never been a sure bet. Kaji was going to give back on the field now. Maybe you thought he'd get back on the field at some point join and now it looks like never but you got okeydoke yourself. You're like i'm only doing this to see andrew luck. Na na na is the way you put it as now what it is you buy tickets for the team. That's not what it it is. Now i forget the gentleman's name the long snapper for the jaguars who came up with the colts. I love what he said about this because they really haven't been that many people that are talking about trying to get their money back but he made a great point. He was like you want to give back your season tickets. Because it had fine i'll buy them from. You and i'll give them to children in a hospital about that at that. Don't make you look at yourself and be like okay. Maybe just maybe i'm out here. Trip and i'm not sure what will matt overton is the name of the gentleman in question and he does have a brilliant response and i do wonder if there is a reason four jim irsay to do this. It would seem to be p._r. Because on the one hand right everything we said checks out logically on the other hand if he does want to engender some assertive public outpouring of support appreciation she could in fact afford to get all these tickets back and say okay. We'll find other buyers who actually want it. I do think that there's upside in that way. I don't see that i'm not i'm not sure i see what the upside is. One that kind of subtly implies complicity in the fact that andrew luck retired. If you decide to do this right they told andrew luck to quit like jim irsay and i tell you know what maybe it's time for you to do something else. They may be all you some money if i give you money back oh you're tickets because he quit. I'm saying i'm the reason why he quit and ninety that do stupid. Next name is karl lloyd because the u._s. us national teams thirty-seven-year-old star forward was reportedly offered the chance to kick for a mystery n._f._l. Team is thursday. Loyd is playing soccer against portugal that night inconveniently so the preseason cabinet you'll won't happen but are visiting eagles practice last week which include that fifty five yard bomb has lloyd telling peter king that given practice quote quote there is no reason a woman could not do this and quote. Do you agree kicking a football man like why what what is it that is gender specific about kicking a football. I got always said when people are trying to push these challenges to the <hes> the n._f._l.'s age limited to three years out of high school thing and the arguments about physical development always felt like a kick out of the water because how much like what do you need to be a kicker other than truly the ability to kick the ball so if she can make a fifty five yard field goal in a league where it's really hard to find people who can kick and we're the biggest problem. Kickers typically have is mental constitution. She has been on bigger stages than any of these guys will be on a regular season game game. Why could she not do this. I would like to see the experiment carried out and part of the reason why n._f._l. Teams multiple teams are apparently enquiring into carli lloyd is is because of the paucity of skilled kickers because the chicago bears cody parkey last season led them to audition nine kickers and camp this year so there is this desperation but at the same time here the concerns that i would have the concern is about the physical difference between men and women and so is there a bigger injury we risk for carli lloyd versus a male kicker well some male kickers. Yes if we're talking about the family. Maybe it's different if you're talking about steve weatherford or one of these other third jack bigger kickers. I think there is a difference but i also think to clear that all of that risk is still way less than an actual normal male n._f._l. Player at any position so i think there's a complication but also i'm not that worried. I'm pretty sure whether it's a pun or though that's an important distinction to make on this place. Kickers is playing a different game but this is. This is my question for you. Where are these kickers that are out here tackling like where are these kids that are engaging in the physicality of the game as you discuss. If tile kicker suppose was to make a tackle the kicker is making. It look like he's trying to make a tackle. I don't see anything that stop surfer doing most kickers when they have to get physical kickoffs for vermeille coming up next to share job again. I can't believe that gerald gerald presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets look here comes a one point seven percent decrease in overhead. Hello everybody no. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance with guy go. Oh you know projected increase organic q._3. Revenue believe it geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. I knew this coming to you from the seaport district. Appear seventeen brought to you by chase piece. This is going to shock you but this is florida and apparently in florida when you see a out there you just keep on going like you ain't seen i look how relaxed astro was like. I want to hope that he's doing it for the graham because this seems to be dangerous practice for many other people pulled to do but florida. I guess it was an orlando. It isn't even florida like you ain't never heard of that. City got dot and they still do that around the alligators babo. Gotta talk about this williams store. We could've caught it. The serena maria sharapova story but three has now beaten sharipova nineteen straight eight times it gets kicked off the marquee when you lose like that and while williams destroys sharapova six one six husband day or t shirt like drugs remember sharipova got caught doping bob. What do you make of this. I think we have a weird mutation of a rivalry and i don't don't think we have a true rivalry here because obviously it's incredibly one-sided as we're fond of saying there is a globetrotter as generals dynamic here however lever one big ingredient for any entertaining rivalry is the fact that both parties really care about it and that seems to be what we still have even if it is is dramatically lopsided serena's direction whatever it is do we have though that maria sharapova really cares about it because i feel like here and would a one or an extra game or two per said ed right now. I think he cared about getting embarrassed. I kind of feel bad for by the end 'cause she looked like she was about to cry and i'm not being like pejorative and making that resume. She physically look light white. She was about to cry because he's on national television getting embarrassed in front of everybody shed wanna set against serena in ten years in the whole reason is we contrived a notion of rivalry because like fifteen years ago we need to put somebody up against serena williams so she didn't look so damned dominated it just so happened. This woman came from central casting that provided the perfect contrast for everybody somebody who needed a contrast. She won two matches against her way back win and now we still continue this. We still put this thing up and now what we're doing is we as media who feed invis- invis- idea they have a rivalry we contributed rea- sharipova getting dog wall all over the place because i've met serena would be cooler about it if we quit acting like this was a thing when it is so obviously not a part of me does wonder if serena does enjoy doing this stuff. W wonder is it not obvious joycelyn. That's why the dog walking is. It actually may be a pleasurable pursuits because when alexis ohana and the husband comes in with the shirt. It's worth noting that berea sharapova gop popped four mil doniama. I believe it's called on the day that she lost to serena williams in the quarterfinals. In two thousand sixteen i believe at the australian open that is why we know that sharipova is so deeply invested in in this ongoing quote unquote rivalry but i do think the larger framework and all of this is of course how these two women look it is the fact that the central casting maria sharapova what is the antidote to a certain in the words that you can say yeah. It's race. It's race. It's a black woman who is strong and muscular versus a tall lanky woman who looks like yes. The conventional image of beauty on the cover of a fashion magazine took effect that it had to be it is a black woman regardless of who the black woman was. If it was a different a black woman they come up with different things to point to point to her blackness about it wouldn't be about this whole thing sharipova the whole. I don't wanna get you muscular because i want to stay fence but that was a particularly particularly staggering at the time because the races of the williams sisters dealt with in the previous decade was even more staggering than anything we've seen now the things that people are comfortable saying about their appearance and everything else was far for more staggering say was in that context but this whole thing is in the context of race think about this four second sure serena williams is from the united hi to state's. Maria sharapova is from russia. How are we not waving the red white and blue all over the place and talking about look at how america's out here dominating automating this. That's the one thing that's been absent with the williams. Sisters largely in their whole rudd is n._p._r. Faces of american tennis and we are not waving the flag chrissie evert. Anybody audio style was doing that at that time. We still view them. As primarily black women sharipova still gets viewed primarily as a white woman even though she is not one who is actually from our country like this is like watching whether fight ricky hatton over and over and over and over and over again and guess what hadn't got dog walk. Sharapova is going to keep keep the dog walk as long as we keep trying to pretend like. She is more of a thing than she actually is. The thing in question also has financial value attached because it's not just just a cultural observation that we're making here when sharipova got in trouble for that he detests she was the highest paid female tennis player in the world old. That was three years ago the notion that oh man this is just a matter of preference or this is making a mountain out of molehill. No this is reflected in the actual marketplace yeah. I don't think anybody can even bothered tonight or anybody's going to try to deny it but my thing is. We gotta do this right. You don't have to still continue this down the line have you not found anything else that we can market in terms of women's tennis. Do we have to keep bringing up. This silly. Idea like this is basically tiger woods david duval if david duval one one early the loss for twenty three years coming up next jeremy lin gonna play in china are piled. Jake hang hang has said that. The guy who now hosts blue's clues joshua cruz looks like a mash up of me and the rock find out if he's correct. Maybe i should call my cousins on my handy dandy. You now like i'm normally offended whenever people compare me to other asian people but lake kind of adds up kind of adds up just i have district he's asian. He's filipino made the same mistake with him that i made that is correct that you were mexican. I am not but i appreciate your honesty now. I was mexican little too honest. Actually today's quote. It's the business side outta this game. All of us in this game could potentially be somewhere else. Dolphins receiver stills bomani. Are you with stills that if the dolphins release them it'll be a business decision yeah because if they were going to release him out of some sort of vengeance for the fact that he's been protesting. I figured that would have been done long before now right. They had plenty linnea chances presumably to get out from under that that was going to be there playing. He makes a lot of money nami dollars this year so if they made the decision that they're not going to pay him. This is something that happens to people in the n._f._l. All the time i have not reaching toward the idea nefarious circumstances but if he's available he can't get no job now. We're talking about something different now now. I think i agree with you on this but i do wonder. Doesn't this all just make brian. Florez is jay z. Playlist all the more clumsy in retrospect because it was clumsy at at the time it seemed like he was just trying to show who's boss and this was the player obviously who was objecting to jay z's involvement with the n._f._l. Over all the protests stuff but now it does seem like if if he is cut even if it is for a pure intent that this is going to be the story line that brian florez and stephen ross the owner were aligned on this he was but that that would've been the story line no matter what right no matter what under the circumstances under which so air agreed wound up leaving the forty niners. I guess we didn't read so hard necessarily at the time but i mean i don't think it would've taken something as crazy as it was before as it all that stuff for us to be like hey. I don't know what's going on the n._f._l. And their general lack of credibility has put us in that position and the thing with ross is in spite of some of the things that have come out about him in the last couple of weeks he is a public face of being a more progressive owner as a result he would would lean in at the time with the work that he's done the rise foundation and everything else that would be his play in all likelihood. That would probably be good enough because the truth is there aren't that many people want to believe that somebody will be run and out of their job behind their politics or they're not going to try that hard to think it so in the grand scheme of things now that we have all this information about stephen ross and if in fact still cutting it is in fact for a business decision. How how do you see ross now. I mean just as as an owner. I wrote a column about this. He's a billionaire. He's doing what it takes to make lots of money. He hasn't personal causes that he thinks are interesting but none of them are gonna wanna. Give away a bridge. Next numbers tree million beijing does reportedly offered jeremy land who was agreed to join the team. I'm in the chinese basketball association pablo. How do you see this move going for lyn. I hope it goes well man. I really do and i'm sad first and foremost because me selfishly. I wanted to see him. Come back to the knicks. That was a pipe dream. Never going to have to win yeah well. Here's the thing i actually don't care if the knicks win but secondly how dare you impune jeremy lin on on his date of departure from the n._b._a. Because i do think though i do think that you yes you your underrating the guy he was legit n._b._a. A player who was undone by various health reasons and problems of fit which does not make him a great n._b._a. Player historically but it makes them a legitimate one and now what sad to me is he's off to china where he'll be a messianic figure which is cool but i miss that guy being in this league and i've never said that he wasn't an m._b._a. Player right right like he's he. He demonstrated clear to be a dude who could play in the n._b._a. And now his body's betrayed okay cool but he's at that age. This is what gets guys out of the league. All the time is that they can't and get it back together for what i can tell last year. He had plenty of time to rest and get his body back when he was out there playing time for him the n._b._a.'s probably done my question for him. Though is what are the expectations that you walk into going to china as a player as jeremy lin in particular right like what are people expecting from him. People have shown they can put up ridiculous. Stat lines is over there in china. I'm not sure how good a player lynn still is at this point but where i worry free him and i'm not the most informed on how things go over there but i can wonder you say it's going to be a messianic and figured us a lot to live up to and so what we gotta do to satisfy the people who see him as type of big. It's going to be a lot because he is mediocre in china. They i think there there will be a disappointment that is elemental that visceral that has to do with a wait a minute this was supposed to be our guy and it's worth noting that the beijing ducks that stefan marberry old old team china is so desperate for a basketball beside that they made stefan marberry literal citizen of the country gave the museum gave him acting awards for playing himself jeremy lin's gonna walk in with all of the world in front of them and yeah he's going to have to live up to is he built for nine. You know him. Is he built for that. I think he is i think he is but that's that's not necessarily a human situations walk into it's an extreme one all right closer this dump things people are willing to do with the name of photograph hate the graham so much now all these people said they want to waive behind him as if the wave is coming dummies wade so there is a drone involved here. Is this their role because why why did you think is going to end in any other way than if he's been if it's a drone pablo there's a dude right there with the care. For where are you talking about the drone because i think they may be expected more and then they got just a face full of salt water. I miss you on instagram bob way. We all miss inclosing. I know both birthday was yesterday and thanks again to even for his video message yesterday but we here at high noon headquarters late breaking greeting to report. I ourselves okay. We wanna in this show with a big shout. A birthday shoutout the word on the street. You're about to celebrate your thirty ninth birthday. Okay everybody over there at e._s._p._n. High noon they love you to death and they wanted ice tea to send you a happy birthday. Wish word on the street. Is that like a lot of ads for you. You watch yeah so i. I want to send back that love to you. Okay have a wonderful thirty ninth. Birthday respect to you. Pablo got at me. He made this happen nothing but you're welcome up happy.

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NPR News: 02-26-2020 9PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 02-26-2020 9PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jack Speer. President trump is putting vice president. Mike Pence in charge of the government response to the corona virus and bureau's Frankel or donors reports. The president is also considering more travel restrictions. President trump gave a rare press conference in the White House briefing room in an attempt to ease concerns about the virus. He said the risk to Americans is very low and that the government is carefully screening people coming to the United States from infected areas plans of a much much larger scale. Should we need that We're working with states working with virtually every state And we do have plans on a larger scale we. We don't think we're going to need it. But you know you always have to be prepared. The White House is asking Congress for two point. Five billion dollars for the emergency response but President Trump said. He's willing to accept more if Congress feels that is necessary Franco or Donas. Npr news the White House officials. In Milwaukee are confirming six people including a suspected gunman are dead today at a shooting at the molson coors brewing company. Police called to the scene this afternoon amid reports of a gunman there. Here's Milwaukee Mayor. Tom Barrett is a horrible horrible day for the employees Is a very rough day for anybody who is close to this situation? Milwaukee Police idead the gunman a fifty one year old man but did not identify him or the other victims shooting took place at a sprawling complex that includes corporate officers and brewing facilities employing about six hundred people. A supervised injection site is set to open in Philadelphia next week after a federal judge ruled such a facility would not violate federal law. The site called Safe House expected to be the first of its kind in the US but Kayla. Winberg of member station. Whyy has more more than eleven hundred. Philadelphians died in twenty eighteen due to accidental drug. Overdoses that's more than triple. The number died by homicide former Pennsylvania. Governor Ed Rendell is a board member at safe house. And he's optimistic that a facility where people can use drugs under medical supervision will help make a difference. Safehouse can save between twenty five seventy five times a year. I think it'll be more but even if it saves twenty five dollars it's worth it safe. Injection sites already exist. Internationally in countries like Canada and Australia and the US at least a dozen cities and states are exploring the possibility of opening them for NPR news. I'm Michaela Winberg in Philadelphia. Fertile Appeals Court is upholding Texas is winner. Take all system in terms of how that State Assigns Electoral College Presidential Votes. Us Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling. The law is constitutional really marks. The latest defeat for groups. Say Each state's electors should be chosen proportionately based on the percentage of the statewide. Vote on Wall Street today. The Dow was down one hundred and twenty three points. The Nasdaq was up. Fifteen this is. Npr One of the world's most recognizable stars is retiring Russian. Maria Sharapova is leaving the game the age of thirty two after winning five major titles. Earning tens of millions of dollars in endorsements. Npr's Tom Goldman has more for nearly twenty years as a tennis professional. Maria Sharapova carved out a memorable career highlighted by her athletic talent and intensity and model. Light Glamour Sharapova. Tennis breakout happened in two thousand four when she was seventeen. She beat Serena Williams in the Wimbledon finals but an expected rivalry never really happened. Williams dominated their era and one twenty of their twenty two matches still Sharapova won four major titles and was ranked number one several times. She was suspended in two thousand sixteen for taking a banned drug. Although a court ruled she didn't intentionally Dope Sharipova returned to tennis in two thousand seventeen but injuries prevented another climb to the top. Tom Goldman NPR news. Federal Appeals Court in New York says the trump administration can withhold law enforcement grants to force states and cities to cooperate with US Immigration Enforcement Second US Circuit Court of Appeals Willing. Today overturning a lower court decision that ordered the release a federal funding from two thousand seventeen to seven states in New York City. Justice Department is calling it a major victory for Americans. Aclu Attorney says it is the first such willing to side with the trump administration on the issue crude oil futures prices continue to fall amid concerns about the global economic slowdown tired of the corona virus. Oil down a dollar and seventeen cents a barrel because it forty eight seventy three a barrel. I'm Jack Speer. Npr News in Washington.

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Final Preview Podcast: Azarenka vs. Li

The Tennis.com Podcast

11:35 min | 9 years ago

Final Preview Podcast: Azarenka vs. Li

"Yeah the mm-hmm I think it was pretty much totally different otherwise I think you've clearly would give lead the agenda momentum department there but is that really something Rodriguez you wonder whether if she if she can if yesterday's type of play is is the norm for her she could she could definitely be after yesterday what is what's the crowd reaction to she she able to ignore what is probably going to be a pretty strong is gonNA carry over to this final things kind of reset at this point between these two we'll see this is sort of a special case for as a rank how does she come out another edition of the Australian Open podcast here tennis dot COM ED mccracken talking with Steve down in Melbourne GonNa look at the women's final it's between the mm-hmm as well as one meeting on Blue Clay in the dread Steve these two played completely they play they both won in straight sets in the semis happen yeah it's hard to tell you have to you have to know what she was thinking she did when she went to the sideline on on one side it's it's suspicious Tori House Aranka Alina just to kind of brief you on their record their head to head it's five to four in favour Aranka maybe more telling is that has also won the last four meetings between them all of which have been played in the last fourteen months couple WTI championship meetings there timing because she's just blown five points on the other hand she did when she went to the sidelines he did point to her chest and her back and she had that stretched other think about all of the time out controversy and what ended up being the huge story of the match her taking This extended ten minute it a dual timeout it was revealed after she'd misfired matchpoints insulin Stevens was just out there kind of waiting for anything I WANNA get to Lee and and her performances in just a minute while we still have as a rank as semi-final fresher might you know what did you think uh I think it'll be a it'll be against her after her after the match yesterday can Sloan Stevens is she going to be able to relax forget all of that I think she will absolutely not a good shot after yesterday and just the way she seems to have have fixed the sum of problems and and with with her new coach Carlos it's off but the same time that was part of it and that's part of why she why she went over and why she felt panicky I would say it's probably a combination of her the first two answers didn't mention her back so that's also suspicious but in the end I don't think she made that up the back problem so you can't so like you said Yeah I think there's a sort of a reset I think lead Nah you almost have to look at her she's not favored because the number one but you do anneke mentally and having this heaviness physical problem completely it's unfortunate that her first answer L. Against Sharipova who I mean who was so dominant for the first five matches tournament and then runs into a very clinical performance from Lee and dot docx training to take her off the court so there there was something physical there wasn't just wasn't just I'm choking I need I fear against her like I said again the Aussie Pratt isn't like a New York crowd or it won't be the time the totally not that route she kept should that same levels she hit she out hit Maria the whole day she counterpunched while she she pushed her around to serve better than thank you can make cases for both both ladies here for as Aranka I think it's a kind of a matter of reestablishing herself as so I don't know only she really knows she can learn from this yeah or at the very least this match could kind of as a rank and so on so yeah I think it's I think it's after yesterday it's a more interesting and more fifty fifty type of proposition for one for one thing if she loses I believe Serena will act sheep still become the world number one you know as rank of course came off a player box and then she'll get mad that will feed on itself but she didn't even start to miss the shots on to start to get edgy so there was no was no real issue now at this match between Rankin lead do you do you feel that either player certainly needs this title little more than the other uh-huh nervous at the beginning Li took advantage of that and even at the moments when you thought that Marie would get back into it lead just kept she didn't start missing now she there was never a point which even had to worry about usually she'll miss a few shots and then just look over she doesn't want to slam since since last year's Australian Open so and this is a chance to avoid plane Serena or Maria suspicious withdrawals timeouts in the past as well but she's also somebody she passed out on the court the US Open so that that's GonNa make you maybe a little more panicky so patchy Rodriguez she's also he's also counseled her sort of mentally had they call them stay in her own place on the court don't it in here in Melbourne and for Lee you know she's been to the stage before playing cloisters two years ago in three set final and is semi final she ended up winning it six two six two and it was over you know before you knew it yeah you know she came out Maria came out played poorly in I know one thing you've mentioned often that Lee didn't really dip it all in her place she kind of always has these strong patches and she's just sustain that throughout the completely condemn her for but but let's hope she doesn't try to pull anything like that again she has had one she's had she's had race or Get US past that point in you know depending on the quality of that of course about Lee what did she in your mind do so well call it up in in the bigger what's going on you know sort of to focus more nets to be working we'll see now they could all go away if she misses a few shots against as a rankled she has a forehand she's I know she's been working on four hundred with Rodriguez and that was a much cleaner shot serve as well she's been working on that looked better the US Open final very impressive showing against Serena but you know obviously it has been a year since she won that first major that breakthrough especially and considering some of Oz ranker's latest experiences or play she also didn't really play well you know in a couple I know last year she was point I thought she was she was getting better mentally and then she she completely lost it in the next match so we'll see about that but it's Ching you know thirty one years old to still looking great but obviously her window to win these alita vans obviously in a close a little sooner than Aranka if she's got to be number one you know she she doesn't want to start to become sort of one slam number one will reestablish her there and this news events head over to tennis dot Com we'll see what what her emotional what's her reaction is to whatever holdovers from the semifinal that could hurt her this all might play out in who who will win this year I'm thinking you know from from what we saw recently I wrote about Lee actually the she seems to Aslam final she's wanted to slam final this would put a winning this could make it feel like she could win more slam she's she's on a different level she'll have to slams listing tennis DOT COM podcast you've been enjoying tennis dot com weekly podcast thanks for listening for all the that'll turns out plenty of coverage of course the women's final we're GonNa have a live chat during the match three thirty am eastern Steve of course with the report after it means a lot to both of them for different reasons because really proud of being number one cheat means she's not like maybe some other players who were been there America just on just on overall record her I would say generally superior player are we will see what are your thoughts on everything as ranked starsoap stay with that in and also the fact she's won the last four times she's just generally a steadier more solid player I think Serena or Federer allowed to don't usually say that they're not bothered by not being number one she likes it she she wants to be that that that'll be a big deal to try to keep that Ulis into the tennis dot Com podcast and here's your host Edward Grogan be like the NFL's Baltimore Ravens sweet she just kind of getting hot at the at the right time and and is really just been so impressive over the past few rounds Lina I think it's almost like a opening to a different type of career mean she is older so maybe maybe she doesn't have that much time with but she's lost mm-hmm I just I thought she was pretty passive against Jamie Hampton for one I just think overall taken will get both their bodies of work and really where they are now I am going to pick Leeann this match but it's encouraging for sure to be where he was playing so well to to going

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95: Way Too Brief- Way Too Broad Shorty

Way Too Broad

15:52 min | 1 year ago

95: Way Too Brief- Way Too Broad Shorty

"Hello welcome to way to brief the super short way too broad that we're doing this week. I'm a Hannah Montana Co host here with may briefly are Aaron embed hi Erin Hi Hannah how presumptious of you to assume I'm wearing briefs both of you high so oh yeah so we <hes> are very busy these this week and we're actually reporting this before. The week even begins because it's GonNa be such a busy week. I'm going to Las Vegas and Ben is Ben Having family family uncle Brown out brown visit him yeah so I'm not busy or important. I'm just kind of sitting around in my underwear. Which happy briefs anything go to Disneyland Alive Friday share this past Friday? When you're listening to this listeners have you been? I've been to Disneyworld Disneyland. I you said you went this past Friday so yes. I guess I have been best friend Fred very fun you. We'll probably have fun. I think the lines were probably really bad at Galaxy's edge the new star wars place rurals worth the wait. Do you think is that the first place they're opening galaxy's edge. Aren't they putting one in Orlando to probably we've. We've been watching some stuff about galaxy said it looks cool. It does look cool. I'm excited to go there so yeah so sorry. We've got a little sidetracked there but yeah we're just doing like a real short version. We're just here to tell you that. There's not a full episode this week <hes> but we're here you had a couple of things three to lay down easy but we do a couple of things we wanted to talk about. The first one is the U._S.. Women's national team <hes>. Do you want to give the news World Cup. Today can amazing great for in game kind of a nail biter. Did you both watch it the whole the whole time almost the whole time. Oh I didn't really watch the first half because we're working on trying to find actually woke up as the game was beginning because I did not set an alarm since Sunday right now. Sorry if I known I would send you a thing 'cause we were out of the house by the time I got your your mistakes. Okay we found it found it yeah. The first half was very close also just felt like the U._S. was just like always on the attack. Yeah I mean it was close in that. The score was is literally the same but like we were like never down on defending our goal so that was I mean if they didn't medicine. If another incident have a better score keeper we would have won by more our goal is that the score keeper just ended up winning the best goalkeeper of the tournament uh-huh. She looked really annoyed sitting there or standing next to Megara she's like okay go out of my space toilet mace on her face. Did <hes> Megara Pino color her hair pink just for today or she had that before she did the World Cup. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah love it. Yes so exciting. Yeah you guys put me into this weird sports <hes> cycle. I've been like watching a bunch of videos from espy nation today like the rewind big bruce and the beef videos but I find myself like hunting for the ones about women like there's a really good one about the beef if between <hes> <hes> <unk> Serena Williams and <hes> Sharipova Maria Sharapova them because they have some nasty lose reduce a really well done too yeah yeah he alf history. I think it's called. I watch this reminder videos. I liked those a lot. They were great big Fan of those. They're really good for like when you're getting into sport so you can like really understand the iconic moments yeah. When did you ask about my sports? Yeah we sure can <hes> so it kind of. It's sort of maybe it would have been my obsession if we record a full week full podcast this week but basically N._B._A.. Free Agency. Agency officially started on June thirtieth and there's like one player particular Kawhi Leonard who is the reigning finals m._v._p.. From this past season who became a free agent everyone was like really wondering where he who's GonNa go and basically came down to the Raptors T._v.'s currently on or the clippers which is the team. I'm a fan of and the Lakers which is the big famous L. A. Team and he announced on Friday will he didn't that's. That's what the sources announced that on Friday <hes> he's going to the clippers so he's coming by team and also as part of that whole arrangement. There's another player who's on the the Oklahoma City thunder right now who's getting traded into the clippers named Paul George who is also really really good and apparently Kawhi Leonard was kind of like listen. I'll join the clippers but only if you trade for only if you like force this trade for Paul George that I can have him to play with and then they did it and insulate now. We have like kind of instantly. The clippers became like one of the favorites to win it all next year yeah so it's like really that's what's cool about. Basketball is like one one player could make a lot more of a difference in basketball than kind of like any other team. Mhm Sport is just like so much because it's only ten people on the court at a time and you like like <unk> Kobe Bryant <unk> eighty whatever points in a game and make sure that this team wins and shit you know you can you can have such a huge impact so that's just really exciting. Will you have to switch teams when you back to Boston. No why would I have about fan shit. You know I'm GonNa. I'M GONNA keep my clippers fandom. As the reminder of the year I spent in California coast to Coast Fan. You're going to be a red sox in the summer and basketball also in the summer mopus delivers in the winter sports season. If their off-season summer they playing right now they're not trading training and talking about basketball yeah. It's actually cool 'cause they're off Susan's like pretty much perfectly aligned so all of this sport to watch. Tell me about time about seasons hunting season. You're not allowed to watch basketball when it's not in season <music> you're around. I just watch it a little bummed well. I have a caveat to this. If it was feeling bums because I've just gotten into soccer right it's like the big one is over for four years but <hes> the N._C.. Courage <hes> professional team is in Carey which is near US and they're playing next weekend and tickets are like really cheap so we're GONNA go like several people from the World Cup team who are on yeah. There's more Polish yeah and they're playing. I don't remember the team but they're playing the next weekend. The number two team or the number one team <hes> and then see courage is apparently the number two team so it should be really fun game <hes> Meat Yeah Cool. This game was like the first <hes> soccer game that I've watched like professional soccer game was the World Cup <hes> maybe ever and <hes> I found I ian plays soccer for awhile and he kinda confirmed this but like there's a there's a tactic to the way that you move a soccer ball <hes> when you run into keep control of it that kind of looks like they're constantly about to trip over right. Have you guys noticed that I'm always like Oh. They're doing it on purpose yeah. I was thinking that maybe to close out. We could talk about something. That's not sports related it just for those who don't listen for that content and I have something in mind yeah. What is it? Can we talk <hes>. Can we talk about stranger things three. Oh yes tell me how much you guys have watched zetel the episodes three episodes before it's been so hard. I knew I had to watch it this weekend because <hes> it's been incredibly difficult already to avoid spoilers and now that I've seen it it's it's very difficult to avoid tweeting. Spoilers have been tweeting very vague things about hopefully <hes> it's good. It's really good. It's okay. I'm really enjoying it is it is 'cause like she was off. fucking amazing using is using <unk> fine good season three like where does he spend three fall in that spectrum. I think the Senate to you. I think it's between the two probably finished. I haven't finished initiative. I'm not sure it's hard to tell the full. It's not chronologically. We've seen doesn't three come out your one and before what's happening in the show. Theatrical I found myself quite engaged with it in a way that season two didn't didn't maybe capture me right off the bat <hes> but yeah I don't. I don't know that it topped season one in terms of just like generally exciting amazingness but it's good it's good. I WanNa talk to you about it off broadband. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa spoil anything for anybody. We're GONNA watch it that suits do in any way it does. I'm GonNa talk about it because I have. I have some general thoughts that I think like I wouldn't consider them spoilers but some people might be. I don't WanNa hear him yet yeah do you are you done with it. Oh Yeah because I tried. I tried to Google one of the there's a new character new make actor I was trying to figure out who the actress was and so I just Google <hes> what Robin yes sermon and <hes> from Hawk yeah their daughter <hes> she's great in. I think she's really great. <hes> although I want well we'll talk about that later but <hes> but I was googling to see who she was 'cause she look familiar to me probably because of their semblance of their parents because she's been like nothing else and I almost got spoilers just from doing that just googling three words with them. Were Stranger thing you can't. You can't trust yeah. You can't trust. Here's what happened. Big little lies season onto came out and we were like Oh let's watch it and so we're watching that and then we also realized after we'd started that that we really haven't finished good place season three it was like molly went Outta town when she came back. We were like are are we ought shows. We must be out of shows should Cernan show and then we're like what the fight we haven't even finished his other ones so we're a little tied up and then we started playing dominion again. We started seaside. It's fucking awesome so we played a lot of that. So low tide at will behind will catch up. Okay you catch up so we can talk spoilers. 'cause I wanNA talk about it. Okay okay well. I think that concludes this shorty episode of Way to Grief For this show on I shall I think we should call this this episode ninety whatever I think we should title as a full episode he I think his get close to one hundred close faster faster. Why are you could tell it way too brief seasonal episode one? We do have seasons in season two yeah yeah. Didn't you witness season one and season three we can call it. We can call episode if you want. I mean it's like it's yeah all right so this is this is episode ninety five to decide on this and then episode episode ninety six which will be a full size episodes will come out on my birthday July twenty for all the day my life changes forever because I turned thirty one. Yes yeah so that's it right to socials shows yeah who goes. I Oh God I mean we can do it in the order we talk which would be you first appearance. Hello I am Erin. I realize me movies lesbian movie reviews on Instagram <hes> website earn dot com check it out. Ben Twitter's mostly proved been much which is Disco Greg Goodbye. Hi Hello. I'm Hannah might twitter's anthropology. That's awesome instagram. <hes> I have another show called so dreamy <hes> we're talking about dreams and also we have a bunch of ways you can reach us as podcast <hes> but since as the shorty and I wanNA keep it a shorty I'm just GONNA say go check out way too broad dot com for anything you want. including our socials in previous episodes you can listen to fill the void of way too broad this week <hes> and earn Ben Dot Com for anything you need. Please leave a surgery on apple podcasts and don't say that our shows too short because it's not usually the shorts normally very long is if it quite long harmfully as <unk> my mother too long to listen to don't say that either straighten normally yeah okay so that's it and I'm not GonNa Extinguish The podcast candle because it smells nice but it's here and it's doing fine so it's GonNa keep burning up until sweep through next week. Episode in the mandate will be extinguished and it'll be a long time coming. 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