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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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09:00 min | 3 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"Us. The analysts flashback. After that to see if the if the lost universe cannot shore up some sympathy for Anna here to get us on board with how she is possibly somebody who could kill Shannon. Rutherford in You know a an accident. Like this has she trigger-happy. Does this move the needle for you at all one way or the other? Do you have any new thoughts? Generally speaking about Anna that stemmed from your experience rewatching collision before we get deeper into this so when I was watching the on location for this episode Leonard. Dick said something very interesting. He said and I quote N. Lucie is somebody who does not want to be a victim. She was a victim once and she swore to herself she would never be a victim again. And I feel like that philosophy informs a lot on top of the forty eight days as to this episode. Now Look is she going to escape the MVP category despite the sympathy? We have for her not because there are some questionable things that she does in this episode but like all good loss flashbacks. This does a good job in at least contextualising the character for me. I got a better sense in this episode as to hell her journey from the other forty eight days segues into collision. Because I really picked up from Michelle. Rodriguez performance on island in this episode was how much? Ana Lucia was falling apart like earn. I think I remember this episode as her being like very angry for putting her head down and pushing through friend and foe alike to keep Sii tied to that tree. But there are so many times. When you look at Michelle. Rodriguez is and you see. Vulnerability echoes going to say it. Later on to Jack and Lucy a made a mistake and I think she knows that and I think it really plays in her performance throughout the episode. And that's something. I didn't really appreciate the first time so even talking beyond the the stuff that the flashback provides in terms of the situation that is and and how she basically looked at the world through this sort of like revenge lens of you know I for an eye if someone does something to you than you have every right to take out something on them. And that's why she's so cautious and wary of saieed. There's also this idea that at the same time. She knows that she's pushing people away and that she is making mistakes and that she's doing everything she shouldn't be to try to make up for it but she has to feel like she's doing something all right. Let's get into the episode proper With the assistance of eight sounds and we'll begin with flashback. Analysts shooting a gun over and over and over again Both the the flashbacks will be bookended by shooting a gun and of course the last thing we saw of Anna in the contemporary setting up the island was her shooting gun. And get your gun and it gets gone shooting a gun over and over again. And then she is in therapy She's in therapy with a therapist. Who's asking her has Danny to trying to work things that we keep hearing about Danny Do we think that's Danny Pickett. The other WHO's going to show up in the end of Later on in this season he's the guy who gets real hate into Sawyer. Oh I mean if he's as despicable of a characterize he was on the island then maybe it's a good reason that they broke things up. Though I guess the assumption is that illiteracy is unborn child Jason McCormack unintentionally killed was. Danny's right. Yeah I think so So that would be Danny's baby and it would explain why both Anna and Danny Pickett have such good hate for Sawyer like they both just like hate hate the same type of PD having discussions at night like you know rely really hate longhaired conman with southern drawl. Like they're just the worst so it's this therapy scene is interesting. Obviously this is a big expository moment and it ends with this revelation that she was a cop which we didn't know before this point Anna tells the story about how the family with the screaming baby finally moved away and she says it's too quiet. This is a nice foreshadowing for her lingering morning essentially about how you know she sort of has now left with their own thoughts but also left by herself and I think that's also something that really colors and Lucia in this episode is how much she is isolated herself due to the events that she's experienced this feeling that like even the thing that she was literally carrying inside her abandoned. Her I guess in one way shape or form. Obviously Danny Pickett did to go. Mary Colleen on the island so it's clear that she someone who feels like a lone wolf and it also is an interesting moment when you know the therapist and how to feel to hold a gun again and she said very good very good. And so the implication obviously and we will find out later. You know Of her sort of being taken off the force but this idea of like she was banned from being used from using a gun. Almost makes what happens on the island even more tragic because it almost makes. It seem a little bit more trigger-happy. The point where like she was in she was having a old time at that shooting range though I can't tell if that was her like ticky out aggression or I wonder how much like the Shoot Jason. Mccormick plan was premeditated and she was like visualizing have whatever she was gonna find him to take him down in that manner. I mean she makes the call really quickly once she sees him. That's not him like. Was that like a snap Judgment Net. That moment she's like. I'm going to now track him down and kill them. I think like in this moment. There's no way right like she doesn't know who years. She hasn't found him anything like that but I think the second that they bring them in. I think that's where that that plan comes in but what we are getting here is very clearly like she's rightfully not over. What happened to her? But she's putting up the front that she is and I do think that that is very much the Anna story all the way through is. She's hurting so badly she is in deep agony. She's in so much pain and she just doesn't want to let the world know I. It's interesting I mean I am. I don't WanNa make a direct comparison to the wire just because it's cops but it reminds me a bit of spoiler alert for the wire. Skip ahead a couple of minutes. A the story of Kema Greg's in the first couple of seasons where I believe it was that the NFL season one. She was shot in the lineup. Duty and season two is a lot about like her recovering from that but also like really Jonesing to get back out on the beat because this feels like something that's in her lifeblood despite how much he's putting her life on the line every day and we'll talk about this later specifically when she returns returns to the forest proper but I got a lot of symmetry there in terms of these are both characters who like want to throw themselves into their work to sort of drown out the misery that they're living in but when it comes to this line of work that's not a good psychology. Yeah all right. So she well. The psychologists is probably there's other people that are gonNA get L. VP points spoiler alert. One person's GonNa get dumped upon Otherwise I think therapists year might get dinged up because Helix final call to me. You seem to be. I wonder seem ready to wield a gun to me. I wonder because it seems like he's been in contact with Captain Mama Aka Teresa. Cortez stop or my mom will shoot. Maybe like she already told him the plane to like put her at the desk. You know this is more like a formality than it is like a great. Grab your gun. You're going back in the COP car so maybe it was more so like a okay. This is one step but you're still not ready to go out onto the beat. Yeah all right well. He's he's given her the go ahead so she's she's back on the force and this is when we first officially find out. Anna's she's a cap she's a cop the pretending to be a criminal that do you remember at the time. Did that change the way you fundamentally viewed murder not at all. Not even a little to be honest. It didn't didn't it? Did it for you? I'm trying to remember. Maybe just because I it seems like it made sense attract. It's like okay. Well I think it was that you know I guess maybe it re colored the other forty days and that she was the bad cop. That like it wasn't that that her being compton and make sense. It was more so that the tactic she was using to make law and order happened. Were a little intense especially compared to somebody like Jack? We Watch leader for a season so it was more so I think looking at like okay. She's a cop. This is clearly. What kind of COP? She is in the present we fine. We get to move forward. I feel like you eating there in the rain for like two weeks at this point. Yeah I mean. It's a very very timely. Right President Action as been quarantined. Now we get to move forward with the story. A little bit site stands up after gently resting ground and he pulls his gun out. Walk Straight at Anna. Good timing for Mr echoed a tackle site otherwise annalisa might die a little bit sooner than she actually does on the show. Yeah which.

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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10:11 min | 4 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"This speak? This is Stefan. Johnson. We'll hear from the other shirk. Yeah so the sites could go and get Janet some water. She's thirsty thirsty dog. Say IT'S GONNA go probably wouldn't have worked on her as well as it does on sit sure like what the hell are you calling me? Saieed is going to go and get the water and Shannon. It's GonNa be like very impressed. With how quickly? He comes back and when he comes back. It's actually not him. It's the ghost of Walt Jason. Forget Yeah I love the effect of the candle being blown out like we could. Obviously I think we're do a lot of relitigate as to is this walt. Or what does this wall represents? But it's very closely right when things you know all the flames blow out around. Joni shrouded in darkness and still sopping wet. It's an electromagnetic projection right. That's what we feel good about that. That's where you're at. Yeah I think that this is Walt. I don't exactly know why the message he's sending is hushed and backwards baby. He's still sort of getting used his powers he hasn't fully connected how to get his message across but yeah I mean. He doesn't have the best method of delivering his message. But I still. I think this is the real McCoy personally. What if So that they got more than they bargained for with Walt right like that's eventually why they're going to give him back to. What if part of the experimentation that they are doing on wall involves like electro magnetically projecting him to other parts of the island? And they're like we gotta test out like can we make somebody do something that they would not normally want to do. And who is like deeply expendable over eight one five and they decide on Shannon and so they have walt show up and they lied Shannon to her demise at the hands of details. Maybe that's part of why the others are roaming so close by to the tail. He's is because they have to have like two fixed points So this is sort of like a candid camera or a wall to do where. It's like a Neri. Oh my God throw a band of Pie in the face. The same. We're like you know we're going to present this scenario somebody and we'll see how they react in real life and you know maybe they expected that wouldn't get shot and the others would come out be like. Oh It's all one big joke by the way you're coming with us that's why we cindy what what would you do? That's another great little. Well well God I just said there were there. Were just reaching into the the hatch to pull out various GAC in thank you get slide. So that's the that's the cut a lost intro. And then when we come back sides trying to reassure Shannon. Nothing under. That was real. You find everything. Let's just go back to love shack round three arguments around one and two. I can't remember at the end of Man of science. Manifield did Shannon tell saieed that she saw walt. Yeah I did. Because she comes back doesn't come back from go back to the cage. This guy saw Walton and ruins. No you're crazy yeah it's actually in. Charlier kind of getting into it. You know what I think. I think that makes sense now. I'll double check us. Were sort of talking here but you would think then that site. It'd be like okay. This is a pattern and maybe that sort of tempers. The way that he approaches her for the rest of the episode we should. We should recognize the fact that she hasn't been completely silent about this. She's been silent pretty much on the rest of the season since then but she has not been silent on the idea that she saw Walton junk right and apparently baby. Aaron hasn't been silent either because there's GonNa come over because she heard Shannon freaking out a little under reported fact is that Claire and Shannon. Apparently our friends we've seen them walk around together a little bit. And she's she yeah. They're on team bottle. There there on the bottle bottle brigade. Charlie is gonNA come over and he's GonNa be very mad clear for waking up the baby. This is GONNA launch us into the story line of the episode where Claire is like a little trouble in paradise is beginning to brew here in season. Two episode six. This is all coming a little bit earlier than perhaps we anticipated. Now Look I can understand. Charlie's frustration. I could also imagine that. If he's indeed saddled up with Claire that they both sort of unbend undergoing this sleeplessness of caring for a newborn together at the same time. He has to remember that. This is a woman who was kidnapped you know. She says that the reason why she got arod up is basically because she was scared that something was happening so it would make so much more sense for her to basically feel like she has to mobilize anytime. There's a sound in the night. You know that the others are coming back to take her or take somebody else so give her a frigging break. That she woke up the kids he was prepared for an emergency site is GonNa Follow Shannon around. But come on. Let's come back to the shack. Come on I spent a long working on this thing. She's done because he doesn't believe her and she knows what she saw. And here's what we see. We see our first flashback. Shannon Rutherford eighteen years old. You could tell 'cause like there's just more innocent aura to Shannon. She hasn't. She hasn't wrecked any sports. Nary a scratch from Korea John Her yes the Lamborghini in perfect condition. Of course we will not be able to say the same for her father's car. Unfortunately Shannon is teaching ballet one of the kids like PAPA CBI and it would appear that Papa not but was looking is looking at her friend to whole Papa. Flirting with one of Shannon sprints and then after class Shannon's friend comes over to Shannon and says he is trying to recruit me to be his AU pair to which Shannon replies fear my ass. Yeah that's odd number. Two is really short but I felt like you thirsty dog and OPARA my ass. We could just bring those along for the right. Yeah it definitely seems like the shade and Sal Board is slowly building up. There's something fun irony in here because I'm pretty sure and this is largely done off camera in deleted scenes but I'm pretty sure not only become no pair but I'm pretty sure this guy flirting with her friend is the guy that she becomes the AU pair four. Yeah well by the end of the episode. She's very determined to to make her way however she has to. If that means being this man's AU pair a my ass off that. And she's going to do what she's gotTa do. I was I was going to feel as though because when Nora did. I never friend's name is Nora and she. Did you know this this French accent? I thought for a second that they were in France but I guess this just happened to be a French man who is in California Frenchman. What does it mean to OPARA my ass? Does that mean like you're going to be like watching it closely? You're you're going to take care of it. You're going to make sure that I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA maintain my figure keepers. So you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA monitor my but Shannon gets the phone call. You Never Wanna get her. Father has been in an accident and we cut to the to the hospital. We see jack with his flashback hair. He's walking past. Yeah it makes sense. The doctor would be like you. Don't want that guy to talk to you okay. He's GonNa talk about how your father was spaghetti like. He just has horrible bedside. Handle is conversation. You had. That doctor actually ate some of your father because he loves baked Ziti. But I think that this doctor didn't do such a great job either when the White House my husband has dad. Yeah well here's a lot of information about the nitty gritty and how it happened instead of kind of just being like. I hate to tell you this. There's no easy way to say this. But you're he's he's no longer allies there also in like the middle of a hallway while they do this. There is some nice symbolically here in that Sabrina. And we'RE GONNA get into Sabrina. But her and the doctor are sort of in the front of the camera and Shannon's always one step behind them which I think is a very good body language symbol about how Sabrina is always blocking Shannon out. I will say I know you have to introduce Sabrina and her relation to Adam. But I just feel like Dr my husband. Adam how is he is like a pretty clunky dialogue? It's not great but also does your daughter WanNa come my stepdaughter. Actually they didn't show this but in Australian cop pops out of the room and writes down no blood relations blood relations. Yeah we'll tiger at Sabrina in a little while. Let's go back to the island. The Taylor's are walking. It's going to be like a day to camp and then Sawyer Wick drops. He's not doing well and he's GonNa get a visit from a doctor of his own. I thought that this will listen to a good amount of this scene. I thought this was a good opportunity for impact to stop down. We haven't really had a real conversation yet. So let's let's do that here. What's let's listen in on Libyan Sawyers Interaction and then? Let's talk about Libya for a little while let me just take a look at your cyber. Dr a clinical psychologist shrink. Maybe I talked to my show. I took a shot anyway. God got shot when he took my kid. Yeah it's been a real bad maybe okay. Let's go let's go..

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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10:34 min | 4 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"As well is awful man. He's an officer Randy nations territory. In fact we'll get to it. He might even surpass radio. He's just a he's he's a bad guy he's a bad guy. I assume you'RE GONNA GIVE ONE TO J Lee. Yeah because we know the plans that he has rolling around in that bald head of his both ISM but also I mean he does. I mean I think it's brought up. Best are others like she does not necessarily have the best record sun with the plays that he comes up with here so granted. He'll try to make up for it later on in his own way in the Glass Ballerina but for now not a great showing for son of the hotel magnet. All right well. It was almost almost a slam dunk against against Mr Kim. But he walks away with just negative four but that Jesus negative that is enough to make him the current LV of season two. He's just surpasses off. They instant mountains have been thrown he's righted the ship and then Mr Echo who got an MVP point. A couple of weeks ago for the beatdown gets to more this week. So now he has three. He and Kate are tied in first place for the season two. Wow so when we talked about who the season two P. might be. Our prediction of Echo might actually become a reality. It's actually a pretty solid prediction. I think that there's potential here all right. Four point two stars. We rank every single episode of lost on the scale of zero to four point. Two I give a score. Mike gives a score. The audience writes in with their scores. We average the audience score up for a third data point. We average those three data points together for the official down the hatch rating. Let's see where we are with. Ou and found which I think I gave the previous kwan episodes. A three point six is mind. Yeah you gave up three point. Six two house of the rising sun and you give it three point six translations. This episode isn't quite as good as those episodes. I don't think but I actually think it's close giving it a three point. Five lost where it meets and this episode really met me in a place where. I really responded to and found. I had a great time with this episode this week. And it's like a great hang out episode of lost a vibes episode getting to see so many different characters just kind of like a normal human situations getting gin and echo on the run together like tracking down Michael. It's very visual. It's not very talky but it's really good anyway and the flashback is so sweet This is a pretty easy like this is a really good episode of loss to me like this. This episode is like very representative of how the average episodes of lost our rate. And why this is my favorite show of all time. Yeah so I gave House the resident of three point eight. I gave in translation of three point. Six I'll keep going down the even numbers here. I'm going to give this a three point four so not too far from yours. I agree that I like this. Probably the least out of our Kwan. Centric episodes but that's really damning with faint praise. Because I think there's a lot of interesting stuff here. I'll admit I did not initially see that when I I watched this episode. I think this is one of these episodes. Where the more you dissect it and talk about it especially from a character perspective lot. There's it's much much richer than you initially think. Even something as light as son lose her wedding ring is actually canvas where they really paint a lot of interesting character choices onto it so I mean. I think it's no coincidence that it was written by the big to themselves and if they were able to really take advantage of this real estate from a pretty pretty fluffy plot to make something substantial out of it on top of that some really interesting visual some interesting mythology introduced with the infamous feet shot. I think there's some genuinely sweet moments in here some genuinely emotional moments here so I would actually say that this episode. I think this episode could hang with season one and I think that's probably the highest praise I can give an episode law. If it feels it feels of a piece with that like it definitely feels like a season one episode and a lot of ways so I really enjoyed watching this the audience due to. Its a three point one audience score which is really good. I think for an episode like this a pretty wide range. I think I've seen as high as four for ooh and found and I've seen as low as two point two Riley wigmore. I see you with your three point five that I also share we. Wigs must stick together So with the three point five to three point. Four and the three point one that averages out down the hatch official score three point three two which puts ooh and found smack DAB in the middle of season two thus far the rule our man of science man of faith in first place orientation in second place ooh and found in third. Everybody hates you. Go in fourth and adrift in a very cushy last place I am so surprise I think this would edge out. Everybody hates Hugo because again when I was done for the audience it does for you and me when I was watching this for the first time again. I'm like oh I think everybody hates Hugo that last act is just beautiful and there's fun stuff going on but again the more I got into this episode the more I think I appreciate the substantiation that and found brought maybe everybody hates Hugo with like eating ice cream Sunday and and found is taking a stake in different into mashed potatoes. Both are pretty heavy. Like walk through the jungle. Great is such a good time. So that's where we stand and it's a pretty it's a pretty close call between UN found in everybody hates Hugo to three point three two for found versus three point. Two nine for everybody hates Hugo so still room for that to fluctuate as these scores are of course influx all season long. Lock them in. Once we get to the end of the season and then we'll see where season two's episode fit alongside season one for our grand master list of lost episode rankings. Next week make a very big episode of loss. We're were beginning an ARC. Next week With Shannon Rutherford. Centric abandoned drowsing. Dr Ruth abandoned. Yeah exactly. That's that's what they're not. The ellipses imperative that I mean. I guess it's really interesting. How we have seen an outside of the premier literally none a lot of sand. Well I'd be prepared to see her a lot in this episode and particularly her dead body. Her dead body will be much more in the in an collision. Yeah but we're going to get the start of that Yeah we'll talk about it. We'll talk about that. I think that there's things to really enjoy about abandoned and probably things to harm you know. So we'll we'll get into that and it is the beginning of the next three weeks kind of we're in. Rosh Amman territory again. To a certain degree there will be like some re-litigating of that final moment of abandoned across these three episodes. We will do that. Throughout the month of March. It's GONNA drop March six the Bay just like in the Taylor and Sawyer and Jin and Michael are marching forward right now you meet up with eight one five. That's right. Get your feedback. In by the morning of March third down the HATCHET POSTER RECAPS DOT COM. You can also tweet us at pusher recaps at round Howard at a Mike. Bloom type subscribed ratings and reviews greatly appreciate. You can subscribe as we said on spotify to post show recaps. You could subscribe to down the hatch on Apple. Poster RECAPS DOT com slash down the hatch. Wherever you get your podcasts. We are available to you. Mike Bloom this is the part where I say what else you have going on. But I'll just start by saying. This is the first of four podcasts. I'm recording today. We've managed to get it pretty close to like a clean two hours pretty happy with that for the pace that I have to set for myself today is could it be doing the curb your enthusiasm. Podcast that by this drops you will be able to listen to the better call. Saul Premier podcast. Which by the time this podcast drops you have been able to listen to. And the walking dead podcast. Walking dead returned with Jessica Lease Jackson. I recorded our podcast about that as well. So so many great things happening on Po. Show recap so. I know you ingest doing things as well you ever doing. Star Trek Picard. Which is now in. Its half super intriguing episode five that we talked about this interesting Josh. Because like this is the first chronologically. Podcasts you're recording but the last one that will release. Is there something that like? I'm travel can you put like an inside joke? In one of the other three podcasts. That people won't understand until they listen to it here. Should I try and suggest that a character in every single one of the shows that I'm podcasting about is a plant of some variety? Absolutely are going to see whether you say like. Oh they're plant like they're an audience plant or literal plant. That's GonNa be a nice shadow to the hatch Laura. So we'll see if I was able to do that. Call me out if I was not a commie out. Hopefully you're the one office lit that's happening over at HP final season of the wand off. Mike Bloom the BNB also lit a survivor. Forty is a really fun time. Here in the PODCASTS. Fear any other survivor shenanigans. You WanNa plug. I'm sure it will by the time this comes out. Who knows who's been voted off knows what's going on lots of writing going on on parade dot com slash tag slash survivor doing interviews every week. Not what the players of this season but the people who played with the players of this season which has been a lot of fun to go over survivor history and the last thing I will plug is that apparently on Jin's resume. His email was Jin. Soo Seventy four at Yahoo doctor. Oh wow maybe we should die email at see if we get bounce back. Yeah exactly it'll be all in Korean a Mike. Give it a shot. I tasked with this job. Okay what should I send them? More DETECTIVE DOUGLAS. If you want to get on the case exactly what that looks like. Ping some IP addresses and find out who the true culprit is behind the seventy four at Yahoo DOT COM or L if we have an update on that front by next week we shall deliver it. I suspect we will not next week. We will say bon voyage to Shannon Rutherford as we get into abandoned that for us. We'll do it here for ooh and found a really fun. Time on the PODCAST. But you this week microbe everybody enjoyed. We will be back next week with another episode down the hatch until then everybody take care. Good bye.

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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06:37 min | 5 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"There and he's regaling everybody with the tail of the search for the Frenchwoman. He's like GonNa just like really throw her under the bus. She's a wingnut. It's all bollocks. It was a ghost stories. She set the fire. Herself and site is looking on as troy saying straws I was like what sides nothing. I feel excited the way that he looks at. Charlie is definitely the way that I look at Charlie in that moment to especially knowing that like Charlie sold one of the heroine statues. He's hiding one of the heroin stash. Here's saying that like Russo. Was Super Dishonest. Here we are Mike to is going to be a tough one for Charlie pace. It's is not a good pace for Charlie also the fact that there are no others when the fact that hey remember that guy that hung you up from a tree like ten episodes he was definitely and other so there are no others there were just no others at that fire. Dude Yeah Shannon is going to be having some issues. She's going around from person to person asking about Vincent Vincent Scott on a wall. It's where are you going. And she grabs a torch and she says I lost the Damn Dog. I always loved that line. But I feel like the Shannon that you see in this moment Shannon you get in this episode. I Love Shannon this episode. It really bums me out that Shannon's with us what like a five episode range of Shannon getting failed here and Shannon dies in episode six Shannon heavily at least in every single episode. I don't think we get her period. I don't think we're GONNA get around all in adrift. So yeah we're really running out of time times times a ticket for for Shannon Rutherford. Here she is in this episode. I think like almost at the height of her game with the confidence that she's going to go out to the jungle looking for Vincent on the same night that the others are supposed to show up of maybe it would advised but points for bravery I would. It's still interesting. I WANNA compare Shannon in this episode to actually Jack White Rabbit where both of them are GonNa GonNa have moments where they stumble into the middle of the jungle and see something that they feel as just an illusion but might be something more depending on the mythology of the island. But she's going to say later on right like how she hasn't been sleeping well. There's two morning boone. Or just the stress of the others being on their tail not their tails and so it's actually very similar circumstances and not say the Chin and stepping up at any sort of leadership position but if you've looked at her psychological composition especially compared to again what Jack feels at those moments where he's at his physical weakest. It makes a lot of sense as to a you know how they're encountering a lot of things especially her like her behavior with cy procedures at the end of her rope mentally and this idea of seeing something and being like I must be crazy. This can't be wheel real weight. Is it crazy and sort of trying to reconcile your own sanity. With what may legitimately be happening on a weird island. Yeah all right so back at the hatch. Hurley is coming for not Jack Swig but locks wig if he were wearing when he will in a couple of episodes he's not thrilled they're locked blew up the hatch. Like hey remember when I was running around flailing my arms and saying. Hey don't don't do that please. Don't you did it anyway. And I'm sorry I was excited. Uh that was a great time Hurley. Very good time hurly we we we. We didn't get inside Hugo well. That's the thing speaks again towards locks perspective and we'll see that's why he ends up just deliberately disobeying. Jack's Jack's orders later on interrupts one of his speeches to go back down. The House hatches because at this point locks not listening to anybody else. He is so driven by his sense of purpose and fate and now that he is at the doorstep of some that he has been working tirelessly to do he. He's not going to let anyone get in his way. So even if hurly burly stood over the spark I think lock would like Light Hurley on fire to have him additionally caused the wick and the spark to move along to light up that hatch. He anybody don't get your fight stops short inviting Hurley on fire. But I but your point is received all the same and I love the Leon locks base contrasted with what at this point. We know to be in the hatch on first viewing like you know that there is an armed man down there so like lock. You seem really excited to meet somebody who could blow your head off certainly. Obviously we're excited to see walk and Desmond interact in a little while but I just think on that. I run interpretation of the scene. That's another reason and why this is very tense. Tense because Jack and John or still at odds jacks can be like I thought we were going into save. Everybody's lives and looks like everybody's lives Jackson. Maybe it was just our destiny right. John ooh maybe maybe it was. It's just very where's I bring Riggan. Knife walks four hundred knives. You could cut the tension with yeah and I mean I think it's just Jack is very frustrated. I mean they literally went to Helen back gain. Is Dynamite the Mike. I is gone all to open up this thing. And it turns out from Jack's perspective. There's nothing evalu- annoyed. He's annoyed. He's he's he's annoyed whereas I think he's annoyed with the fact. That lock is not annoyed by by it. He had a lot of suspicion towards at the end. The season about okay. He's a bit too committed to the island and this is only cemented. And it's just separating them a bit further further separating them a bit more is that lock still wants to go down there despite the fact that there is quarantined quarantine printed on the door that kate is going to show show to everybody. And you know doesn't really lead anywhere. Maybe maybe not. We'll talk about that and the other thing there's another about the vaccines and right all right. It's all about it all right so we'll talk about that later. Let's resume the search for Vincent. Site is joining Shannon on the search. She's like this is crazy. Why are we doing this? You haven't slept two days and she's like listen watching the dog. It's the one thing anyone's ever really asked me to do. I'm not gonNA tell the kid. I lost his dog. 'cause I'm tired. So they dip Asli Vincent just chilling in the middle of the jungle. And they talk about how I I'm GONNA circle around him. You go from the front this is basically we have family and I are wrangling. The new caps. There's a lot of this going on for like the cats. Don't WanNA states don't they. Don't trust us yet. There's a lot of this like right. And then you you trip trip and fall going after dougy and then I appear sopping wet in front of your face muttering things backwards. It's very very strange anyway. That's that's basically exactly what is going to happen here for Shannon. Dan where she inside are going to try and pin vincent down and then everything goes to hell in a hand basket as Shannon's going to trip up in the woods and Shenanigans Shahu let's listen in.

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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10:58 min | 5 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"That'd be why hi Jamaica big metallic noise when you punch. That's all that matters. That'd be crazy if boone took the coral role boone car roll instead of in time realize it because then like he still would have gotten crazy desk right if he gets Carl death. Imagine if because that's very shocking moment where Carl gets shot out of nowhere. And then much more shockingly Russo. Gets shot out of nowhere. And then you end on that with Several weeks to go because of the writers strike and when we come back Alex is killed in the very next episode in that Bam Bam Bam literally of three fairly important characters varying degrees of importance importance from Mike relatively important very important is is really is really jarring. Imagine like putting a series regular in the midst or something like that right. Like imagine boone. Being that first person to get the bullet and just like very unceremoniously dumped that would it be crazy or like interaction with Russo. Right because Carl staunchly in the others camp to the point where he was literally kidnapped by the others. Maybe it could be something where like you know. Obviously he can be the go-between with Alex and her mother and maybe he's the one to finally connect them and then he dies as a result of that. I think it's good. I think it's good. I think when we when we go in rewrite lost after down the hatch which will be our next wave podcasting. We know that boone has to make get. I guess we should just give Scott or Steve. Whichever one is still alive? Maybe he gets to be locked lackey so we don't like change the timeline. Yeah remember it. Steve Remember seve's leave you know. I don't remember that that was your demonic. Divide us to remember that Steve was the alive one. Yeah that's right. I don't remember that. But now I do Steve's leave and and so he's alive but in our alternate time line he won't be it'd be dead. I like this. I think we should use it. It's like the opposite of loss. Is it to Seoul it. Just yeah I think we could workshop the name or found yeah. Let's segue into into into expanding the character conversation. This is from Josh spalding. Wanted to know who your favorite lost season one guest stars and I don't think that there is. I mean there's a lot of joking answers. We can make peach man. Ray Mullen top top of the list but is there. Is there a better like season. One identifiable identifiable guest star character than Daniel Roebuck as Lesley artist. Dave Baker asks us is the greatest redshirt in television Asian history. You're the you're more of the trek expert than I am bloom so you would have to weigh in on that but ours does like the king of the season one guest stars. I don't I don't know who else is in the mix for that. Well first of all I would say the king the Richards has to be Sam Rockwell in galax sequel. True True. But I would say I mean I guess I know that he's going to appear in future seasons much like ours. But William Mathur as Ethan could be another one. Obviously you gotta put Susan Lloyd up there all right so I can second actually to give Tela quick story so Josh you and I very rarely talk work on this podcast but I'm GonNa go behind the curtain. Okay okay. You're still. I was given the opportunity to interview a one the lead actors behind October faction which is a Netflix series. That actually at the time. This is being release. Should have released the day before hand. It's a horror sci fi series based on a graphic novel. And they said okay. You're going to be interviewing tomorrow. Taylor who's lead actress and I thought okay okay. Let me do some research on her as we want to do. Susan that name sounds familiar. And Yeah Lo and behold I look on her. IMDB Lloyd and behold made and it is. Susan Freakin Lloyd. Of course I get on the line with her and the very first thing I say is I find it very interesting that you're playing being a parent I've been watching. Some old school lost. I didn't go fully down the hatch as it works. I didn't want to turn off immediately right. I've been seeing a lot of Susan and hopefully it's it's a very different parent. Tomorrow laughed and said this and I quote Susan was so mean I felt so bad. That was such a hard character to play. I I was like why is she so mean. There's no need and so people I don't think anyone but straight from the mouth of the actress is a terrible character that's great that's great all right so she would even sign on if we she said that she is the the worst of the guest stars. Yeah I think so that's hysterical. That's really really great. How was she otherwise? She's lovely lovely. I'd say go watch I. October factor. That people have watched at this point. Go Watch it. I'm sure she's great. She's great on bones altered carbon screen and everything that she does including being Susan. She tried the best she could reaction out of us. You gotTA reaction. Look she had to deal with a really crappy hand that was dealt her way. We're like half of them. Were cards half of them. Were Potato Saito chips. I tried to make it look like a full house. Let's account for the twenty three points because we ran down. What had happened at the end of Exodus Book here? We are at the end of the season. Now that we're talking with the benefit of feedback from people who have listened to the exodus. PODCAST upon Johnson. Put together a really amazing info-graphic Ben Martell tweeted out and we will link to in our show notes. Here's here's an idea. The I wanNA plant my own. Johnny appleseed from down the line I want after all six seasons there to be judged one of those like infographics than making wave of like the ever shifting bar graphs men like. Oh you know top grossing albums over the years where like. It's a bar graph that changes every year to show the rise and fall of certain albums. Yeah I want that to happen with. MVP points it'd be like the top five MVP points. Just see like how these characters. Evan flow over the course of the sixty s even over over the course of one season has been very interesting. I'm into that I'm very into that of for for where it stands right now. Mike these these are the final scores of the MVP's and L. VP's of the twenty three points section coming out of season one and I'm going to go from the bottom autumn to the top and for the first time in a long time I am going to read them. All you ready settled in now for another hour of leading drink graduation. Grab your water. Grab your beverage. Take your shoes off. We're going to be here for Aright at the very bottom tied negative four points. Each which Anthony Cooper and Shannon Rutherford are at the L.. VP's of season one. They're sharing the title in tier above them in the negative three category Christian shepherd. Thomas I believe that. The Claire Littleton Thomas Randy nations with negative three and the collective group of gawkers cours o negative three. I think you know obviously Anthony. Cooper is going to be holding that bottom spot for quite some time I think depending on how much more beat side Action League next next season Josh. We might see the gawkers soon. Become the bottom feeder. They're working. They're working close but they're not exactly to the bottom and I think that's sort of opportunity to sort of points like the generic loss tease. You're Sarah Blue Stripes if you will and I think that I think it's an opportunity to acknowledge the ensemble. Maybe not necessarily in a good way concerned that we keep making fun of them for not doing anything. There's a very big robust negative to tear that we have ox row. pucks it's negative to yeah indeed Daniel Roebuck Leslie. Ours is a member of the negative to squad as is the Marshal Edward Mars. Play by Frederick Lane Margot Shepherd Shepherd is ranking negative too which is sad for her Frank Duck at the Robert Pat Patrick Actors Robert Pattinson do not believe he is online behaves as the row. Yes Robert Tuck. It was that kind shrimp Schroeck man. Yes yes yes cyrus beene of scandal fame. What a scandal that I used used to ethan gets negative to Brian and Susan only get negative to Susan is ceremonially the worst I think the flaw it does in the design of the MVP LV system? We've come up with a is like you. Don't get like appropriately. Waited even just in one season so like you escape certain death. I feel like there probably isn't a ton of utility in the L.. VP section. Because the of the worst are going to be like one off appearances I I would say maybe at the end of this we could come up with a mount rushmore of like four best in four worst character. I think and I think that's actually talked about this. Maybe over the course of the season one like the Mount Rushmore of worst characters could be like Anthony Cooper Randy nations and the Combo of Susan. Lloyd and Brian. Yeah but they're probably not gonna I mean Susan's going to get we're GONNA get some shot Susan coming up pretty soon here but I think that's going to be it. The boars are also at the beurs are also at negative to as Sullivan Aka the rash asshole from solitary guy with the with the rash who came to pretty I dead. Yeah he's definitely not alive. I think are pronounced with that. He got Simon Simon Birch that he got hit and I think that sounds right. That sounds right to me. And Boone is in that negative to category as well the negative one category people who are just shy of the positives. This is once again a robust group of people. We've got Hawaiian shirt. WHO's the Paik agent from paper Towel? Now that's the paper towel. Assad who is one of the terrorists from the greater good. The blanket law law and order gets a negative one idea. Are these people who like blast if you're if you're not sharing your blanket. Yeah Yeah Yeah you gotTa be spreading your luxury Mark Silverman. A Gale Scott Farkas negative. One GRANDPA Tito are negative. One Sam to me also dead dead offscreen dead people buying accountant negative one. Mr Paik is alive. He gets a negative one though. Scott is dead. Steve is leave. Scott gets negative one. The polar bears negative one. Seth Norris brother of Chuck and John Negative One Chrissy oceanic agents. Who you who? You are The first time that people were really bristling against our points I really got US started early on with that rabbit. Allison Janney got negative one. Even the she is it's a long ways away from returning from showing up on loss but we did see her skeleton. I believe that was the rationale that I delivered..

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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11:41 min | 6 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"To hand out and the other one is going to be very easy for me. John Locke is getting an MVP point for me at this week But beyond that. I didn't have like a really obvious when to pick other than the person who dies so even though you gave me some an. MVP point. Mike I am not getting on the EH forever Edwards with zero points to his name. Yes yes so those are my. Lv Spoiling here lock is obviously you gotTa lose a point Because of everything that we have talked about the blood shirt bad book but to go to my next. MVP point the voice of an angel. James Sawyer Ford. Yes absolutely lutely again. It's begrudgingly that he gets dragged into the group here but he does help. Put Aaron to sleep and I'll give it a point to the babysitter. Who realizes this Charlie? I assertive very generous gesture for him to clearly. You need to sleep. I'll take him off your hands though. It seems like he'd literally knows nothing about childcare to the point of where like hurling him or calling hoop hoop deposits diaper wise. But I think you know he's able to get at the end of the day and I think the fact that he this shows again how much he cares for. Claire is something that should be commended. And then I got my. I got the final empty point and at the risk of sounding irrational. I'M GONNA give it to Shannon. You're not thinking rationally giving Shannon a an. Mvp Point Nice shot as she can give to the potential that is left on the floor for Shannon. Rutherford has to be very sad today. I'm finding a while we've got her here. She's she's doing the best she can working through this grief. She's got no one to turn to. She is very reasonably going into to lose it a little bit here and then for like all those reasons that back in the day gave Ethan some MVP points like you gotta give credit where it's due and like even if you're acting badly you're acting badly and a great way lake. Great job acting badly with gunshot. Well Gosh Shannon's Shannon's marksmanship needs a needs some recognition here. Well I still have three. MVP points to give out and let's speak to someone who also knows how to handle a gun and you lampshade it beforehand but let me turn on the light. Kate not a great little. Kate stands here down the hats. I don't think that that could be denied at this point but it also cannot be denied that she's worthy of LV point this week. She literally she drunk Jack she drug Jack then left him alone for Shanta. Apparently again. If we're not good if we're considering cannon this was again off screen but apparently apparently she has also just freely divulging information about the case itself. So it's not good and it's not going to be a spoiler. Maybe not a great episode for next week either. So yeah we'll we'll see we'll see I'm and I'm going to give one to give unto like Hassad slash like the terrorist cell in general because obviously that's not good and I'm going to finish with going back to the well on our old standard the police. Yea Robby Robby Laura. They're going I have no. I promise Tom. If you wanted to create a category for Law and order you know literally if we called law and order I would love that. Let's just do that will call. Because there's characters are going to be running into a number number of police officers considering the two of them are criminals off the island so you know I did not realize how much of a catch all this would be when I first brought it up during numbers but popped super-quick and yeah I know that Cole and Robbie were doing their jobs but they were pretty heartless and they dangled something very heartlessly. Oversights had head that allowed them to do some pretty bad things all right. Let's get into four point two stars And heading into this conversation. I had greater good at a three point. Oh and my thinking there was like I enjoyed watching the episode. Like if I enjoy watching an episode of lost I think by default like you're looking at at the threes but then like like the more I thought about it. It's like I can't tell if that's like too high or too low like I don't know if I'm under if I'm on the right target. It was it was hard right for me to tell and I decided coming into this that the conversation would sort of dictate for me whether I moved the needle up or moved it down. They're gonNA give myself like a point. Three flexibility here and I think talking through there. There's there's more there's more opportunity left on the table here than I expected and I think that there are ways that this could have been a stronger episode of loss. I still think that what needed to be accomplished here. Oh seed sowing. The seeds of distrust between John Locke and Jack Sheppard as that man of science man of faith divide is only growing for the foreseeable. I see a future that needs to be done here and that scene is really really strong. The turnip had seen it. All those are really really fun. Saieed is this is always super watchable navy as always super watchable indices between him and lock or really well acted and I don't know that they make sense for me ultimately in the end and and I think that we needed to deal with the fallout from Boone's death but I don't know that this was the best way to do it and I think especially coming off. Do you no harm. That's A. That's a really tough act to follow for me. What it came down to? Also I've given the moth a three point Back in the day. And so when I when I was evaluating this a little bit more like is is a better episode or as good of an episode as the moth. In which one would I if I could only watch one episode of Lost Right now. which would I choose in? Every single day of the week week I would pick them off. And that told me something so I have docked to the greater good from the three point. Oh that I originally had it added. I've put it at a two point. Seven his second lowest score of season one so far ultimately maybe in hindsight. I'm GONNA decided that was too harsh even thinking about it now. I think I probably could go lower. You're going to leave at two point seven it's fine. It's totally fine and their scenes in here. That are great and you know. It's I'm always happy to talk about Las. Mam always happened watch last even if lost is not phenomenal for me. Put The greater good sort of the okay fine to be in the name not signs not the greater good but the okay is fine. I mean and listen. If you've been listening to this podcast probably going to know that I'm going to slightly disagree with Josh's feelings on the episode at least personally especially as we get later in the season I've serve comparing it to other episodes and I'm looking at like two BOOLA. Rossa like hearts and minds raised by another. I think I liked this episode slightly less than raised by another and hearts and minds in terms of this episode. I think that I really do like the stuff I do know that there are some weird sort of conclusions that were jumping going to pretty quickly but I feel like from an emotional perspective and from an action based perspective. I feel like it's all handled pretty well. In terms of the immediate aftermath of a seismic game game changing moment like this plus we have fun be plot that doesn't feel like to To you know completely distant from what's what's going on on the island in terms of balancing out with the drama. The flashbacks are picky. But I can at least appreciate the thematic content and what it informs us about sites AIDS character. Even if that doesn't necessarily happen in the long run so I would put an on about the level of two Boola Rossa for me. Not There are things that I can appreciate about the episode. It's not exactly a hugely great episode. In fact I guess by purely rating it. It's actually probably near like my bottom five of the season but I gave it a three point. Four overall and the audience is closer to you than they are to me. The audiences averaged out out at a three point. Two four their greater good gets as low as there's a one point five against the greater good. There's another two point. Seven Evan in the mix here A lot of like in the in the low three range Two point nine another two point seven here Or actually just one two point in seven So most of it's like in the low ish three only lower on this ranges from like the high twos to the mid three. So I think we sort of have represented the range pretty much yeah. I'm a little lower on this one than than the average bear. The average polar bear but it gives us as it stands the two point seven to three point four and the three I point to get us to a three point O.. Eight which lands the greater good just behind the moth which is at sixteen three point zero nine the greater good is three point eight and it is just above homecoming so the greater good hanging out in Charlie pace peanut butter sandwich. Yeah all of that peanut butter imaginary is all over for that baby. I don't know why you would do that. You know the baby is learn. Lots of test allergies with. I don't know that you want to test that on the island. You know what this is a doctor around as long as not sleeping as long as he's not drugged alright. So that's the greater good. The okay is fine in the books and fine. I don't think spoiler to say I'll probably be rating next week's episode a little lower. Yes we're going to born to run the third and final kate. Austin flashback episode of our last regular episode of Law Season One. Yeah our last regular episode of Lost Season One before we get into the three part part finale which we will do across two separate weeks. The born run episode is GonNa drop in your feeds on January tenth. We've already got feedback in for it. But it's not too late for you to send feedback back for end-of-season feedbacks spectacular post show recaps dot com slash down the hatch. Oh that's not the email address subscribed to lost out of the hatch. You you live Josh. Why did you lie down? The hatchet poster recaps com however is our email address. You can send your feedback in that way you can also tweet at us. I'm at round Howard Art Mike at a Mike Bloom type but do subscribe to the podcast. Pusher recaps dot com slash down the hatch apple. But however you get your podcasts. We'll be totally we find it. Make sure you're in the running for being one of those I ratings and reviews of twenty twenty. What a what? A what a great honor it would be. But we're GONNA come back to you with born to run in just a little while Mike anything else. No I mean again I I think you know I have given this episode a bit more love. And maybe you you're some of our other commenters understandably so but next week it's going to be a spoiler alert a bit of a different story like you said. I think I can sort sort of appreciate what they're going for their but totally the water ball gets a little poison. But I'm excited to get into it nonetheless. 'cause we have our EST arts makes his appearance. We've you've got arson. I I do think that that's going to be one of the key difference. Makers that is gonNA keep born to run above whatever the case may be for me. But we'll see how that shakes out for you. I don't know I have no idea idea that will be fun to talk through either way. It's lost it's going to be. There's going to be fun to talk like Michael's like desk glare at Kate. That's GonNa be great to talk about this. Really great stuff still talk about uh even born to run so I'm excited to get it. We're going to have charlie writing his post island album low yeah. No Charlie's album is actually really fun fun stuff listeners. especially in low season one when they're really focusing more on like again people above plot mostly stuff going on here but we're always able to pick out those nuggets I might actually. I don't know I don't know which which I enjoy. More runners the greater good. This'll be fun next all right. We'll talk about we'll get into it. We'll be into it in a week. that podcast dropping in your feed January tenth until then everybody take care to sixty sixty four hundred sixty four eight affecting.

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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09:44 min | 6 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"Think that we needed to go. Full bore on Jack going after lock and is the fact that he needs to eat sleeping pill smoothies as is that is that not so good. What if we completely askew this episode and we do something where Jack is pursuing the jungle and it turns into like Boone's Boone's fantasy times a million we're like he's just completely tripping he'll see Christian again maybe he sees like Sarah or he sees his mom? I'm in the jungle. And like maybe at least a showdown between him lock. Our Jack is just completely physically collapsed. This might be the writers just sort of addressing the point instead it being people being able to be like well how is able to keep going. There's some sort of robot or something that he he doesn't need to sleep or eat. Yeah I mean that just makes do you think this. Could this finish an episode Mike. They did like if they if they were advanced. Enough in in. Lost to have the wherewithal with all to be like we can do on island weirdness as our centerpiece here like there could be some sort of Shannon thing. That's like a mixture between the abandoned flashbacks axe but also smoking makes smokers coming back as boone. Like why like guiding her. Something doing like Shannon Rutherford. This is your life if type of thing where like this mythical. Almost walking her through her memory could've been could've been cool Daniel Brennan. How do you guys think Boone's funeral ended? As far as we see jack exploded and everyone forgot about boon to jack calm down and rejoined the group did Hurley and the Others Bury Him in silence after the commotion ended. Boone got little respect on the island in both life and death. Mike I think probably ended with early saying a man I absolutely ought to end Hurley. Felt it worked once before force. A wine is deeply success. A Jenny Lou writes in and says I think impersonating John Locke. Let me just console you about your brother. Sit here and his blood right in your face. I'm not the creepy knife man. Please forgive me W. T.f John Genu cosign. Yep Yes he. Maybe it's because maybe this is sort of like locks Achilles heel. He doesn't really know how to approach grief. Which is ironic? That at this stuff is is it is. I'm talking about sides my mouth because at the same time like this is some of the stuff that I love about. John Locke is that he's not is not the easiest person and when it comes to socializing and like social graces. And what's the like right civilized thing to do here. oftentimes he gets it very wrong. This is one of those this time. Where like he's getting it very wrong and it just kind of just like feels a little weird In the in the story telling us well. Eric Davis Stein. Why did lock tell L.? Site that he was the one who knocked saieed out. This doesn't seem like the type of admission that builds trust was it just for the audience benefit to solve a mystery and yeah I you think so. Well let's say mostly feels like it's for the audience benefit. I'm not I'm not no. We talked about the character. Step behind it. I can't remember at the time Josh. was there any sort of reaction because once again you know this happened. I mean it happened back in episode. Seven episode is when lock sort of blamed Sawyer throws him under the bus and Sensei. You'd after after him gives him his own knife even but I feel like we are so many months later did this even land with the audience at the time. Yeah I think so at the time but my my my memory of react to it was being like Oh okay yeah like I maybe if this revelation was made in like episode thirteen instead of Atlanta a lot more but it feels like it's so long long ago it feels like such a different world almost especially given with what's happened lately in. Lhasa almost feels like it's tying up loose it on that note. Johnny she can ask us. I wasn't watching season live. How brutal was it for the long wait between do no harm and the greater good there was a month between episodes yet johnny? I actually don't remember that that at all but I think that's also because so as April for do no harm and then the beginning of a for the greater good so I was probably like the end of And Sophomore Year crunch I was working on getting on that Dean's list. Yeah that's actually. I don't know what your grades in astronomy were like. So you're like crap got A. Ah this is second semester. This was all right. That's that's over. The ship around it turned the ship around I was on the Dean's list for several semesters in a row and then that stopped stopped at the end of college when you made it onto Jacobs list basically Let's get one more from Stefan Johnson. Why decide think lock as their best chance of survival he just got boon killed? He lied about the hatch and he attacked saieed right now lock. Looks like they're worse chance of survival so the one thing I can think of is if saieed is inferring that survival means protection from the others because like it or not. She was very very key in released setting up. Plan to like you know. Get one up on Ethan. And he could imagine like we need that surprise take on the. Let's remember that saieed aid is the first person to find out about the others from Rousseau's you have to imagine that's still pretty top of mind for him so I feel like it's less about like you could help us find water water and food. Maybe the board will come back and more so about like you can help protect us. Even though we don't trust you but you can certainly serve as a nice shield for us of the other things that are coming our way Yeah maybe I duNno I dunno all right anyway. Let's do. Let's do a little round up before we get into the twenty three points because of the way that we're recording. NBC's end of Season One podcasts. We should've mentioned this earlier and we should have mentioned like a month earlier this weeks ago. But the Great Sean Janelle final hope. I'm pronouncing your name Correctly Sean. Who does incredible like Pixel Art of survivor? Episodes like really really fun stuff. If you're not following doing sean yes sean. S. Channel Art on twitter and that's why A. N. N. E. L. L. and Sean S. E. A. N.. Yes you're doing it wrong. If you're not following Sean Sean animated the first few minutes of the lost RPG episode we did from a couple of months back. It's very very funny. I'd recommend that you you listen to the lost RPG episode as well if you're going to get the impact but it's hilarious willing to it and it's incredible Rodney. Sesto is like a turnip body audie. He's turned up that's Great Dow Observer reports that there's one more dude in this episode. We're up to sixty dude. Wow and then of course has video this week. Any any notes this episode. Unfortunately Boone had to die but we finally Josh get a boone and Shannon theme at this is going to pop up a few more times. We'll see episodes from now when Walt gives Vincent to Shannon and during a Shannon's funeral in the apprehension abandoned and we also also get a little bit of a site suspense the which is mainly used during seasons four and five win site straightens his hair and becomes an assassin. I love when he straightens his hair by the way. It's not really wig watch. But I'M GONNA have a lot to save. Get Their aright twenty three points. Mike is giving to MVP points. I'm giving out three. I'm giving up to wealthy. Lv Points and Mike is giving out three. Kate is still comfortably in the lead with ten points. Hurley site and son or tied in second place tier with six points apiece. And Clara's off on her own as she often is with five points and a third place to your John Locke really took a severe fall. Last week is in the fourth place alongside Jack and Jin and four points a piece and then at the very bottom of the list. It's a three way tie between Sawyer. Shannon and Anthony Cooper with negative for each piece yes. I think we're GONNA see some shifts this week or at least people moving moving away in different directions. I'll lead us off. I've got the first. MVP pretty easy to give this a great performance from Naveen Andrews the human lie detector and all that stuff maybe could have done better with empathizing with Shannon ultimately but I do think he tried in his own way. Hey I think he underestimated her at that was not great but the way that he is able to suss out. What's what's accurate? And what's inaccurate from lock story and ultimately bust him at the end of the episode with no more lies is a very cool moment and worthy of an MVP points and you could make an argument doc. Implants for him leading Assam arm to take our that that you know that action but at the same time. It's a learning. It's a big lesson for him where he learns exactly athlete. The greater good might be a bit of a fallacy that if you're working towards the larger product like you can't forget about the lives that we lose along the way speaking of which I'm going to give it a pointed to Assam. I think that it's a beautifully active character. I think it's a very interesting. Three dimensional character that I think is actually pulled off over the course of an an episode. I feel like that's really tough to deal with. Just a flashback. One time character but I think he brought a new perspective from a flashback. To be quite quite honest can be a bit tone death. And so I I want to give the actress specially credit here. He's great again. I I loved that character in twenty four. He was so so so so good in it so I do love seeing him on loss. I just wish they'd give it a more to do. I'll also just spoil one of my l.. VP's He does die in this episode. And I only have two VP. Stay at.

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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12:42 min | 8 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"That is there is not enough material to fill a full episode side Sean's with Locke and Jack Relating with the compass and the island's magnetic bearings were written added very very late in the process as noted last week. By this point David had settled on an electromagnetic anomaly. Being part of the explanation for the hatch so this was a deliberate. The clue awesome. Yeah that's I mean. I love that they built on that. Like a nice current this episode. And love that we're getting more and more allusions to it as well and Zeta talks about it in just another mysterious force on the island. But I don't think he realizes how accurate he is and how that's going to pertain to his wonky compass all all right. Let's get into specific feedback from hearts and minds. This is coming our way by Megan Schultz. And we've hyped it up in the past here it is. It's time is the Shannon Rutherford stand dissertation Meghan Scholtz. Big Band Shannon weeks ago. Weeks ago wrote US This dissertation about Bad Shannon. And we've been saving it for the Boone and Shannon episode to read it. This is the argument in favor of SHAN. And it's long so I'm GonNa take a quick sip of coffee to lubricate my job and end up in a real hurley situation. Well post-production does wonders on that I'm all right. Here's for Meghan Schultz. There's several different points as to why these are the reasons to stand six points. In total point number one aside from Walt Shannon argued with youngest person on the island at the start probably twenty one or twenty two years old so arguably even younger emotionally and mentally based on the fact that she had very privileged in sheltered upbringing crash landing on an island without any survival skills or even life skills that most of the other castaways at least possess in some way or another was more challenging in for her than most yet she seeks to prove herself from the pilot episode on volunteering to go on the track and translating. Russo's transmission without Shannon. We wouldn't have any idea about what Rousseau said or that amazing ending to the pilot part two point number two in favor of Shannon. She is strong. Her father died died in a tragic accident when she was a young adult. Learning about what she wanted to do with her life her stepmother was crappy and her stepbrother was a pushover. WHO also happen to be in love but there her stepmother also cut her off financially without warning and without any in brackets Maggie grace period when she was arguably at her most vulnerable right after her father other died points for the word play on that one of course point number three despite her bitchy spoiled exterior she is extremely self conscious and vulnerable? She seeks to prove herself at every opportunity because no one thinks she can do anything. Sides the person who sees value translating the transmission Rousseau's maps et CETERA. It is why I think she is drawn to him. Point number four after Boon's death and one. She's passed her initial grief right before the raft takes off. Shannon is the one that walt decides to leave Vincent with clearly walt saw something in Shannon that made him trustor enough to take care of. Vincent Vincent could take care of her as well. We even see her waiting eating into the ocean to retrieve Vincent as he tries to swim after the wrath that has wall on it point number five right before her death and season two Shannon finally realizes is that she has someone who cares for her and will never leave or something. She's never had in her entire life. Her father left her stepmother. Never her stepmother never cared about her. Boone left the various men. She tried to fill whatever she had in her life lefter and now in the moments before she shot she realizes that she has someone who truly loves her and someone who recognizes this her worth in sade point number six so in conclusion Shannon begins the series as spoiled self conscious Bitchy in vain young woman who learns who she is by the time of her death and season to a strong caring woman capable of much more than she gets herself credit for and capable of being someone that people can depend on and and care for. These are my Shannon Rutherford reasons to stand. Don't ask me and rant from Meghan Schultz. Yeah I mean personally. There's not a lot for me to disagree with in there. And I think for me around this time around the involvement with saieed slash slash finding out more about her character when I personally really started to like Shannon or at least not dislike her. I think her issue is as Meghan alludes to. I think the pilot stuff is interesting but outside of that I think she is really shown to be a very vapid two dimensional character and so I am. Actually she comes around this point in time it because I think her reaction especially to Boone's death is a really interesting character transition up until she ends up gunned down in the jungle. Thanks to Anna Lucia. And so I'm very happy to have this dissertation on hand to refer back to and I do agree with it and and I'm happy that it comes at in my opinion turning point when it comes to opinions at least personally for Shannon other number eight. This is about Shannon and boone as a pair coming from John Krause. John writes in and says this is weird. Take but I think boone and Shannon are actually better characters watching twenty nineteen then they were in two thousand and four. They're really great examples of rich privileged white Americans who have never had to worry for anything or even really do anything like it or not. This is a chunk chunk of the American demographic and it makes sense that there would be people like this on the plane with that framing. They become very interesting characters because they're not bad people indeed they actually want to help helping contribute but their own privilege holds them back significantly Yeah I I mean I would say that they maybe play better better now. Maybe not even for that reason but I think it's because we've experienced the realm of anti heroes in popular culture for the past passed several years where you have characters who are protagonists but they do very questionable things sometimes. Yeah sure like Walter Way. Tony Soprano Yeah no count Jackie. Exactly Count Chocula the ultimate anti hero. But I would say that you know. Even though we are a bit in the Sopranos at this moment I feel feel like you know. It's still weird to have these two characters where yes. They are not biologically related. This is very much a sharing josh situation from clueless. We're we're they're step siblings and they get together in the end. It's still a weird thing. I was very much truck when I saw this. I my mouth was agape watching. This actually happened happen. Got Me so garlic just pouring actually I mean that was my personal snack. Chat for every episode of garlic. No wonder I didn't get a quite some some time But I think that in this day and age where I think. We're used to watching very problematic people on TV and maybe it plays a a little less incendiary. I don't know how do you feel about that. Well you had mentioned it to me like we were texting a couple of days ago before we started recording. This and you brought up the Paul Rudd and at least you silverstone clueless connection and Oh my God. I Love Love Josh. I'm totally crazy in love with Josh revelation at the end of that movie and I hadn't thought of it that way and it it caused me to fire back. The recent meam of Paul Rudd Look at US look at us. Hey look at us. Who would have thought you know kind of how I felt in response to that? I mean. Listen you're talking to somebody who's on the other side of the game of thrones right boone. Boone and Shannon doesn't really weird me out that much anymore. And if I game of thrones owns didn't wear you out like how the dragon is certainly going to try because we're getting a target area. We're getting into really severe incest territory but I I still think that even revisiting the episode. I think that there is sort of this there. Is this dark undercurrent or undercurrent if you WANNA take grove. It's going to cause stomach to go into nuts. I think it's still it's still there. I think it is still. It's interesting it's A. It's a very different version Asia. What so many of these people go through? They reached this moral crossroads and they go down one path in the fork and they can't come back. You could never come back from what it is you just did. And oftentimes. There's a life or death quality to that choice here on on Lost Sawyer like he decides to become Sawyer he decides to become a con man he decides to go after people and trick them out of their money in pursuance of this man who ruined his family but he is now going to ruin families on his way to doing. Ah someone like Jack where it's not that he was wrong to tell the board what his dad that his father was drunk and operating under the influence and the consequence onto quance of that is that his father is going to go to Australia and drink himself to death. It's not like it's his fault. But that's a consequence of the choice that he makes stems from the decision. He makes those are life hyphen death stakes here. Does this does this moment. 'cause boone or Shannon directly to die. Does it kill anybody no tay. Did they die a little bit of embarrassment. Maybe there's a there's an element of that but there is still like some sort of like existential death especially as it reads from Boone's winds perspective in this episode. Because you think you think of hearts and minds as Boone and Shannon Episode Boone episode. It's Boone's flashback spoons perspective that we're getting off this through and and you do sense that existential death. That idea of something that I think is more relatable to more people. Well maybe or at least maybe more relatable to me anyway. This idea of like you've done something that isn't leiper death bad but it feels that bad like it feels that heavy as somebody who is like a highly anxious person like somebody who has anxiety disorder like every bad thing that I do feel like the end of the world and so like this kind of has that connotation to it but it is like a severe status quo shift in their relationship. There is no coming back from what's just happened here. They'll never forget the fact that this happened between them. Granted they won't be alive for too much longer so they're not going to have to suffer the embarrassment and the pain that they're doing here for two maybe in a church. Yeah I think is going to when he finds out what he's just signed on for the eternal afterlife. He's going to have a lot of questions. Maybe maybe that's why we got to feel a little bad for him but yeah I think that it's it's still fairly powerful and I would say going back. To the game of thrones thing I mean something that I really picked up especially especially from like the Ark of Jamie. Lancaster is oddly enough. This idea of like sometimes you can't pick who you love but you love them ferociously nonetheless on the last and it's weird that like you're on a shift in status quo over the course of eight seasons. I would not say that people weren't necessarily on board with the twin says thing but I I think the the the the the Aquinas broke down to the point where you sort of looked at is a love story instead of outright remembering Oh yeah they are related and I wonder if it's sort of like I say it's maybe gained sympathy for boom but at least makes me gain perspective in him at the time. You're like Oh gross kissing his stepsister when you realize that like it's something that maybe he couldn't necessarily help but he's obviously like made him probably so remorseful and probably so torn up inside as to so all this stuff that he has to get involved in because not only is. He shared his half brother. But at this point he's like Shannon's only family member that's really communicating with her. It really gave me more insight to Boone's character than I initially thought all right. Well let's let's follow this through into other number nine from eighty from British Columbia. Who writes it in says? I've been watching the episodes. This is my roommate. WHO's watching lost for the first time and was struck by how quickly he predicted that Boonen Shannon's relationship with turn out to be more than familial? He gets it right after after it was revealed that they were step siblings. My question is is there a twenty nineteen pop culture lens. Through which the Boone and Shannon relationship reveal is less of a surprise or was it relatively easy to predict predict in two thousand and five as well. I didn't watch the episodes aired back then. Some curious to hear how surprised you guys were if at all I do think that the dating police chief once he spells out. I do think that I at that point. And it's like Sir so they're gonNa do it..

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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09:47 min | 8 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"Radar maybe unless she's working on several other different types of coffee any delay events I have time I can't help you in terms of like what the Lumbar's Hi so maybe Jack is shrugging off because they're giving bad medical advice but so it works yes and this is the beginning this is a gun in this episode because they've got just like bang on aim shoot it they're they're beaten up on poor Mark Hutton are you the manager are you the manager the Jason and six foot five I remember watching this the first time and even then being like team there's just no chance that she's here and isn't somehow so there's just there's something basically nothing that this flashback teaches us about kate robbery story yeah I mean the only way could possibly move the needle is if we're looking at still and she was on the run from the cops will find out is actually laundry list and speaking of a less Josh I'm King ever-growing of cates aliases not to be confused or over the other I feel like Maggie Brian the theatre photographer works she's got great aim for sure but Mark Hutton is again the old theatre in town gotta check Array Molin than than she knew about a coffee table books about old theaters is things in terms of like a completely random detail job isn't completely on I'm GONNA put Maggie above anti for now but I'm excited to see how this grows over the folks back on the island kate is going to decide to pay Out from between Sawyers legs because Sawyer is sleeping with comfortable enough there's sand fleas there's sand everywhere why why does kate think now is the time to steal the case why does she look at going to wake him up maybe I should play this cool and wait until there's a better time on the run it makes no sense that she has to go for the case right now she didn't even know that the case not as smooth as she was because we'll see in the flashback she'd like knows everything down to the to the point her part so I don't know why it falls apart so quickly for her here could the environment have he was traveling with the Marshall Marshall probably bragged about it I think it's what prompts such a quick reaction when she saw Sawyer up obviously clearly wakes up and then he tackles her but she she she'll be like she grabs the case that he'd like pulled her down yeah so where it's a step forward because kate in this episode does things that are confounding I'm getting getting to kick the crap out of Sawyer whether lightly or deeply is always a flat out refuse given the interaction I can't say I fully think she had taken a different tactic maybe do a sequel to one little kiss at this episode I'd even just reliving it obviously still the frustration exists it's because especially in the past few weeks of conversation about Kate specifically she's arguably Eh Shannon Rutherford not deterred from Boon's comments about more about whether or not the maps should be translated because he's GonNa limp up to Shannon Sittard that and he tells her required close to the equator the sun might be feeling this I hate to admit it I fully hate to admit it because works field some sparks.

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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15:14 min | 9 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"We get our first flashback scene of the episode and why don't we listen in on that let's go to sound number to clarify finding out that she's pregnant his a pink Looney Skim US maybe he didn't do it right Honesty six hundred sixty six seconds oh gosh it's definitely too and two pink lines pink no no these are like read these two minds okay first of all these tests is accurate I dunno my uncle you know we thought he had testicular cancer you remember that state I love it I mean listen I know that there's a lot of drawn dramatics going on in this episode for Clara Emily Drive and plays great comedy ends the pure buffoonery of one Thomas Thomas played by Cure O'Donnell who people will remember if they were wedding crashers fans he played todd Esi like do you think he was like I can paint my own paintings and that's why he should hire me for this movie I think that's probably it this is the worst by the way I hate time is so much all right so here's the thing we're going to get to a later scene where I can see the will not the logic but I can see Thomas Psychology from a certain perspective what he ultimately ends up doing is despicable and deplorable I agree but I feel like in this first at least things are played for laughs he's the one that really brings claire around on this idea of like no we can do this together it seems like he he's at least onboard with supporting her in the moment but I'll I'll cherish that feeling until he completely becomes a terrible person he really fought abandons her third WPRO abandonment and like a horrible day drinking dushi kind of way no forgiveness for Thomas he's not funny enough to be forgiven for what he does later on the lion share the LV points to assign this week Mike Spoiler Alert Thomas is in trouble it's really going to have to tell them he needs the point lose the points I will also say Fashion Watch this way Thomas is a rock in the white sweater underneath the big baggy sweater the right t shirt I should say which I'm not sure I guess that means he's such a poor starving artists that he like is wearing that sweater multiple times but he will upgrade later which shows how much of a big businessman Thomas is become to wearing the white collared shirt underneath the sweater so choice an undershirt shows how we moving on up and promptly moving on now he's got that nine to five take care of but the scene continues freaking out as is understandable and Thomas says wait a minute this might not be so bad in fact this could be like the best thing ever I love you WanNa make this work I'm a painter my paintings are awesome I'll be able to support us they can sell all these paintings Vince Vaughn naked and eventually someone will take it exactly clear says at one point is like I if I do this my mom's disowned me and thomas says she basically already has an extremely low blow given what we know of clerks the mother that she's in Oma yeah so where's this coming from this is just like we didn't carefully wreck on this one later completely yes I think when it's all empower avenue on I think that's next season right so I don't think so it's a while they've got some time yeah so I had this in my but if you try to connect to Canonical really it sounds extremely harsh coming from Thomas maybe it's just a really bad joke of like yeah I guess your mom technically disowned you because you know she's barely functioning at brain capacity and can't move her body yeah fricken Thomas Alright let's go back to the island we go to the Beach Jack is doing his daily Treks to the Beach Jack is a commuter you know is a big commuter he's always going back and forth between the caves and Oceanic and he comes to find Kate Ann cates not doing anything she's just standing there on the beach and Jacksonville impressive wow look at you not running for once yeah this is the first you're standing still in the middle of the day doing nothing to me anything and she says I'm not standing still I'm sinking and she says the water goes out and that takes the sand with it and you sink I gotta Say Mike Yeah I don't know if this was something that I did before lost or post loss but I definitely if I'm at a beach I will often do this we're all just stand still and the tide will come in washed the sand away in your feet just sink in a little bit more and more highly relaxing highly I did all the time as well as a kid I was not a huge fan the ocean but between that and playing a game my family and I used to call wave sticks that's how the bloom spent their time on the beach the waves you're my wave sticks exactly it's are we took Shannon Rutherford and we just sort of threw in their waves we would take like a little plastic stick and we throw it right where the waves were crashing down and then we try to follow the stick as it washed up on shore Ooh that's cool I like that way too it's a nice way to like get your feet wet and not have to go too far into the oceans all the hydrophobic psyched that's my recommendation between that and thinking maybe don't throw plastic into the ocean anymore I know I was part of the problem would would be good or something of that nature of variety Jack says again plan you're going to sink your half the island site would be proud it's like awkward at sort of sites kind of almost died this way uh-huh I he blows up the site Goo Goo Gaga is going to sink to the bottom of the ocean man this is uncomfortable Woah you're GonNa you're going to get into a summary and and have it explode with people aboard site would be proud I would be proud and it's also little triggering for cable she says sites been gone for a week this is kind of intense in Jackson yeah well he's still soldiery still going to be Fine Kate Asks Jack what he's doing this far away a from the caves and usually the sounds we pull into the episodes here on the podcast are very profound and sketch out very iconic moments from las this one is none of those things that's just thought it was funny bringing water down bringing fish back bringing back just as we are we are releasing this podcast in the afterglow of the survivor know it alls live in New York it was so great to see all of you who came up us and said loving down the hatch you're listening to it every week it was so great meeting you guys person I assume we're actually recording this for doing our own sort of time had we had dreams of you all with black and white stones in your eyes out at the bar down the hatch who they were the two of you but otherwise it's like I say that with great talking with people that really liked the podcast yeah meanwhile we just get roasted in person actually going to happen so you tell us if this part held up or not in the future so bringing water down bringing fish back is what jack it says Jackson Tell Jack Tells Kate like the reason I'm here is a big serve intense at the caves clair's going wild she's going to have the baby soon everybody's on pins and needles vary farewelled Jack's going to claim that he doesn't see needles on Claire so maybe poor choice of phrasing portrays afraid using Charlie in the jungle is going to come to Claire Claire his writing in her diary Charlie is trying to guess what's going on in the diary dear diary still bloody island today I swallowed a bug love Claire so this is totally a point out of the Mike Bloom flirtation book of like try to use your cheeky sense of humor to like kind of intrude on someone's privacy Jeez fire that bad but it's like you know if someone's like would be you know like Angela was like typing on her computer in our college lounge it'd be like I love Mike He's the best and he has the brightest apple face cheeks in the world I could pick them off and make him into a pie like come up with with stupid stuff like that so it's not necessarily intruding on privacy but it's more so I guess interrupting people while they're in their private moment to be stupid incredible I love it do you come to these people with two cups of fake tea because I can't imagine this action not that Charlie comes to claire with again we're going back to Charlie's place school kitchen at a certain point Charlie you have an issue they explain I'm a drug testing you keep you keep bringing me imaginary sustenance and I appreciate it but it's also not real and it's starting to get strange I mean you would say that but we're GONNA see Claire Nursing Imaginary Child several seasons down the line so maybe Charlie inspired quality in her that she's going to use much later prelude to US Squirrel Baby Charlie says the tea is what separates us from these savage Yanks Charlie pays more of a mets fan than a Yankee Sky L.. Listen at this point the red sox winning the world series so anybody but them on my God Antonio Massaro said something about Yankee doodle Dandy in recent podcast asked that really killed me couple of weeks ago on the Mister robot season four premiere podcast if you haven't watched mister robot I would advise you to go do that just to listen to the podcast because I laughed harder at that Yankee doodle Dandy joke that I've laughed at maybe anything ever on a podcast Wanda included is really really great anyway he tells Charlie tells claire that he's been having recurring dreams reese driving a bus his teeth or hang out his mom's in the back eating biscuits and everything smells like Bacon sounds like a much better dream than the one he has in fire plus water from now yeah I would say that she's going to be wishing for old bacon smelling biscuit eating mom by the time season two comes around but what a nightmare author falling out and you can't chew the Bacon and it all smells that sucks gum all that Bacon your mom's like I can't give you any biscuits because you have no teats on born bananas would be really good then as like baby food like you can mash it all together and just gum it down yeah you do wonder exactly how airing baby food I know that the hatches become a big thing in season two but maybe they had to mash up those poor and bananas to create some island Gerbers Aaron deftly Papaya Gerbers for the first few weeks of his life as president turn into a Papaya I know that you babies have the capacity to turn color my brother-in-law apparently only eight like squash and Yellow Zucchini for the first few months of his life and turned yellow. Wow It's wild I'm surprised they didn't call Aaron Baby Papayas ahead instead of turns head not doesn't roll off the tongue much though knowing Charlie's probably picking imaginary turnip tree and comparing it to the size of errands head is that what it is so what are you talking about the island spilled with turnips Charlie we gotta sit down because you have charlie just being the Ashington imagination on the islands listen every we'll get him again in my cherry and then UNICORNS will take us away everybody's got these superpowers right I'd be like Hurley is going to be able to to the dead why can't Charlie be filled with imaginary sustenance is it because like he can't do that and be a bloody rock God at the same time yeah he has to be immagination God or a rock and you've got to give the island something Charlie for the island secure your lack of imagination I might give him I might sacrifice the rock guide to be honest after after the last time that you invoked your rock powers for the community's sake maybe that's why he swapped over into becoming an imagination God I think the food is a better recurring bag but you guys can tell us anyway he's just trying to relate he's trying to help rally says the players places intense for anybody but it must be hard for you to be here without your family with your friends you and I could be friends I could be your friend you don't have to do each other's hair but if you need to talk to someone about St love could be me and like pass try all right and he gets up then like she's like I was just rude and he's like it's cool it's cool yeah he's going to go I guess drowned his sorrows and some imaginary chocolate bars or something specifically when she let a man into her life with her soon to be child he left her and you could imagine how much very noisy she has this idea of yes there on an island but what if charlie she takes trolleys offer and he changes his mind much like Thomas did so I completely understand where she's coming from and quite frankly you know she's frightened somebody if she's having a lot of you know vivid not dreams but away at this point Ethan's been injecting her with a is one hundred percent absolutely and I like Charlie's reaction to get school it's cool let me get out of here I think the whole thing is as respectful as it gets and we get a flashback claire and her friend whose name I don't know if we ever if we ever get I think it's Rachel Rachel there's a there's a Rachel in the guest star Cast List Jenny Chang as Rachel this friend Rachel who I don't believe we will ever I see or hear from again but Rachel and Claire they're going to see the psychic here he is Ray Malkin and after two Australia I guess it's Richard Bach and I haven't written down as Ray Malkin you got the peach peach man on the vine forgot about the Papaya man Richard Mocking any any observable food preferences for Richard Malkin that will help us distinguish between him and rahman anything he likes US mystery flavored Richard Malkin Ray Molin is like the Oprah of season one of loss like this is tough or like the McDermott German Yeah it's a lot like that throw Doug Race Scott into the mix and.

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

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10:42 min | 10 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Post Show Recaps

"Do you think there's ever anybody else in mind or do you think that ultimately Damon when Lindelof idea always was that this was going to be some ancient entities that we're going to have like a big thing to say about the ultimate cosmic themes of lost. No I mean I guess it it comes down to what hobby are said before about. How Jacob in the man in black weren't really a conversation in season one you know so I wonder if they just sort of kept the door open like with with the Russo stuff as to okay there? Were people people that were on this island before but I don't know if it goes necessarily back to okay. It's GonNa be these two. You know these mythical people that are the first to arrive on the island and the big battle of good and evil they represent that transcends millennia it could just be like people from village that used to be here and they played with rocks and they put rocks in their pocket or it could be a burial ceremony. I don't know how much they had built into that plot bridge at the point where they brought this idea up okay a couple a final others that are less connected to house of the rising sun in her a little bit more generally lost other number fourteen comes from Angel Woodrum who writes in and says something that I'm realizing on this second watch almost ten years after lost is just how great the female characters are of course women are underrepresented in the show as a listener pointed out on last weeks feedback section in addition to that high school brain with its internalize unchecked sexism didn't allow me to see the depth of Kate's character remember things she was just a love love interest to Sawyer and Jack which is so much more even just in these first eight episodes that every watched so far so shame on you high school Angel Angel Zone where it's for not respecting kate more this applies to other female characters to yeah I mean I think it just in talking about engine Kim's performances as son. I hope that we've articulated takeaway did the great depths of our love for that performance specifically. I think that son is one of the great unsung characters of this show. Yeah I completely agree and look angel. Don't be too hard on yourselves. We all have wack opinions in high school but the brain matures and we naturally gain new better editor opinions so just because we have lack opinions our entire lives. Unfortunately we're constantly failing. Sometimes we've got good ideas more often than not. We've got bad ideas. Can you tell that we're almost three hours into a podcast. Stamina is depleting the final other speaker wish the vital other sort of Katie Phipps who has a really funny funny feedback says my husband is the person who got me into lost. He watched it as it aired and has seen the series three times hi through I I watched it about two years ago with him. During one of his re watches and I am again watching with you guys now yesterday I was talking with him about how you all have have no patience for the people who are like they were dead the whole time it's purgatory to my surprise. My husband revealed that he is one of the people who believes that they were dead the whole all time. What kind of argument can I make to prove to him that he is wrong? Should I just keep listening helped me win this Katie. I believe the only answer is divorced. That's it that's irreconcilable differences. He does not get the adding to lost. I understand we can fix this if Jin and sun and can work it out you guys to get a Sharpei who understands the ending of lost desk the true the true reconciliation all right Katie. Here's what you gotTA. Do you gotta get get a job. He didn't that Dog Bobo. Okay the dog Bobo ideally can speak English. We'll speak to your husband and say hey. I'm a talking dog named Bravo and I've been listening to this podcast called loss down the hatch and hosts there. They talk for a very long time about lost every week. The two long ago way too long on this podcast and they insist that the whatever happened happened everyone was alive and there is no purgatory accepted the end where there was like some white purgatory but it was it was light. Minimal territory is is very is very soft purgatory. Eh occurred at the end of the show but everything else was real. All of that stuff was real Katie. If that doesn't work keep US posted and we'll workshop some other ideas for how to convince your husband that he is wrong because he's absolutely wrong one hundred percent wrong. I think that honestly just show the last scene where it's you know Jack Jack and whatever embodiment Christian shepherd is where Jack Literally says like did I die and Christian literally outlines the entire twist. I think that's all you need and know everything that happened to you was real everyone dies eventually you died and now you're here but that doesn't mean you've always been dead and and then if that doesn't work get your new dog to do a lip dub of the scene so that he understands it coming from a different animal how many people Mike do do you think we will inspire to go out and get dogs named Bobo over the course of our time here on down the hatch. Oh boy just one. I feel like it was a success if they do you can make a middle name of our combined names to make sure that Josh Mike Yeah that it's like an actual like inside joke and we just didn't have to piggyback on a a couple that name there Doug Bhopal at the same time yeah assure would be mosh. Yes Bobo Mush Bobo Marsh all right Senator Pictures Mush when you get them all right. Let's get to twenty three points. This is where we give out. MVP points in L. VP points the the stars of the hour our and the losers of the hour who won house of the rising sun who lost house of the rising sun. I will be giving to empty P points this week. Mike will be giving out three Mike will be giving out to LV points and I will be giving out three and just to set the deck of what we're at right now. Kate is the leader with five. Mvp Points Lock in Jack Act both at four the monster has three say Gerard has to Claire Littleton has won the Pitchman Ray moen clocking in with one MVP point Seth Norris. It's the brother of chicken John. They are minus one a piece of Marshall minus one for dying as was the reason why we took one away from seth north by the boars. Their mind is one Christian shepherd minus when he also died Margot shepherd minus one the gawkers have lost a point Krissy. The oceanic agent controversially lost point Shannon Rutherford is in minus one Michael Michael Dawson minus two sawyer minus three. He'll make that up randy nations minus three it will only plummet the further we see Randy nations in the future and Boone is also sitting at negative three all right Mike who gets your first. MVP point for this episode a little girl said the summit come out tomorrow but it's coming out today in the form of MLB points gotta give it to Sun here big revelation on her part plus Johnson Kim this fantastic performance especially in those flashback seeds you gotta give it to her fully co-signed I give son an MVP point as well and in fact I would give her to. MVP point this week if not for the fact that I have to reserve serve won MVP point clearly for Bo the dog so both of the dog gets one for me and son gets one from me as well for all the reasons you've outlined well. Let's keep it in the family. This might be a bit controversial. I'M GONNA give point to Jin. Hey whoa okay we'll because yes I understand that his particular portrayal in this episode is not looking great but I love the argument was provided in a previous other and honestly I feel like look worse. Spoiler filled podcast we look at things from the context of the entire series. If if you look at these events knowing Jin's character and knowing especially how he comes things from in translation I feel like it really fills out his character and makes him look very very different went and very caring what he's portrays anything but in this episode so I'm going to give him a point here it's biased but what the hell okay you get another point to hand out. 'cause I'm giving one to son. I'm giving giving the dog and you get a third and the point to award. Let's give it to John Burris here. Let's give a talk okay Mr Lauk yeah. I think that you know lock is still in his wise old sage point where he's not going into crazy territory and he's sets Charlie on a really good path. That's going to really come to fruition as soon as next episode owed and I think you know the fact that he himself as a secret driveshaft fan as well as a really fun character note alright so lock gets point that brings them up to five he he is tied with Kate Austen for the most envy points at the moment. I've got three L. V. P. points to award and I will I will give two of them right now. Adam and Eve Lolo Mary and Jesus lose appoint the man in Black Aka the monster man and Allison Janney who has not even yet appeared on the show air both losing a point and of course as my tradition here in the twenty three point sections actions just spread the for the for the crime of dying died and so they lose a four to fifty years ago. I had to be consistent uh-huh so they each lose a point. Who Do you have as healthy? This might be a bit controversial. I'm going to give I'm going to take a point away from Kate. Oh Wow wow okay so lock might a passer and every thing I'm just hung up on and I know we have a couple pieces of feedback about this as well. It just doesn't settle to me this whole thing about you know the jacker being viewed as being in a relationship so she doesn't want to necessarily do that. You know I feel like somebody had said. Did I forget who that like. They really liked kate up into this point and this is maybe when we start to see kate get a bit away from that character that was really interesting in the first few episodes. It's just a character note. That doesn't necessarily resound with me. I don't WanNa be eve type of thing so I'm GonNa docker one for that. Okay so it's a sea change it was gonNA make a bad charlie joke where kate was in the lead and lock was right in the running for it and unlock is now leading the MVP category with five points total in K. at four. Somebody has finally pushed past kate her. The rain was strong but it is currently at an end. Yes but I'm going to give another one. We mentioned this before. Let's make it pay off gawkers walkers. You're not off the hook your point doc to and around Sir all right. We'll speak in a doc. I'm GonNa take a point away from Jack. Appoint a way for PAT. You know what he he he gets. He gets people to move to the caves but he's oprah aggressive with Kate and he's wearing an awful shirt and it can't be forgiven. I can't forgive it..

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Rob Has a Podcast

Rob Has a Podcast

04:35 min | 10 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Rob Has a Podcast

"So if renew or the votes were going and she knew the votes were going to gin and you're like i'm not gonna waste my idol here. They're they're not voting for me and i could always <hes> flip my vote. Vote vote out scrape move great move incredibly the best moves. We've ever seen survivor. Branch yea survivor to final is taken away from them. Rights arime ethan charlie charlie and shannon are still here hurley odd man out and ream after the big hurley past that rim he's ready. It did a paid. It's fine. It's fine okay all right. Let's see where you are. The only alliance in the game is the others amazing mo she annex six strength alliance this entire game. I guess i guess the thing that re might have to do next. She can take take the easy vote and vote out hurley or maybe you can try to draw the votes onto her play. The i get rid of one of those other gestures should play the idol here because you you know pray for sawyer to come back into the game. That might be the move. That might be the move in that. She can team up with a third person. Don't it also depends on the others. If jin wins here though that might complicate things that's right right true true true all right. Let's go to redemption island. It's going to be sawyer verses gin and before for the competition starts sawyers teaching yeah. I'm sorry okay. Those pants do not make you look fat. Okay all right. Let's see where we're going here. It's sawyer in jin and sawyer is going to move on. I'm telling you it's it's demand button. He's got it. He's got sawyer with a shot to get back into the game. At next week's redemption island challenge okay sorry makes the finale yes all right so we'll see if he can get back in the next redemption island okay. Meanwhile charlie is heating up he he has won immunity again. Challenge beasts charley yeah. It's almost as if he's perked up by something yeah. It's like he's on performance enhancers or something. Take the drug test charlie and see what's going on. There charlie gets take somebody on reward with him. He takes shannon down little who cares that like little. If we remember from the pilot shannon charlie was kind of like mackin on shannon. I think that's where this comes out here. Hey you wanna join me for a shower and a massage yeah. I'm going to need need to see like the declaration of defense for shannon rutherford in survivor lost. I need that dissertation on my desk. Ask in the morning and and to be fair ethan thanks to he's no. He's like the leader of the other. Yes doing a great job. Just ryan everybody together and charlie at least is winning challenges challenges and i would never say that other student. That charlie has confessionals as more. He's a game bought these boring but he's not doing anything for us. Shannon's probably doing the best job of like. I'm gonna get to the final three. Gotta get there and hopefully you can vote that ten rally <hes> to this group net upside shing torelli okay all right. Let's go to the tribe events. Let's see what's going on back at the beach. Okay what's going on here with turley. Hurley is found that idol yes yes. Yes yes yes yes yes. The numbers are good. The numbers are good early. The early bird swoops down drops an idol out of its mouth hurley snatches it up his destiny to be the king of the island within reach chas from that prediction cry production interference. That bird was planted. <hes> hurley's name okay so here's what's happening right now. So we have our our group of three the three others they have the majority but even though charlie has immune immune from the immunity necklace rima's neidl in hurley plays are idle so if they both play their idol here the others gotta turn on each other and then it's shannon ethan then either shannon or ethan will will go home at five. The others may find the get cracked. Meanwhile ethan has something going on. He is isolated himself from the rest of the nobody wants to align aligned with him o- only caught onto who he really is. He's very dumi and gloomy yeah they re..

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"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Rob Has a Podcast

Rob Has a Podcast

04:21 min | 10 months ago

"shannon rutherford" Discussed on Rob Has a Podcast

"Much much like the o._g. James sawyer himself locks father just appears in the brig in the black this daily appear on the island. What's the problem here. Are you guys wanted to do the theme. A survivor lost you know i asked ask for one thing but in the season we came to rob. You're like what if we decided. It was very surly and he was kind of adding kareem. No isn't good enough so it's been here by the logic we set up is that you know oh. We felt that we needed someone who much like danielle rousseau had been living on an island for a significant portion of time and as a result like had to enveloppe this community greet read them much like a valet at the holiday and so we have we have going on right now. She was on the plane. It's fine <hes> she's not the cave tribe. Do not let her out. I cave tribe all right. Mike who else is here round out the cave tribe. What are the more maligned characters and loss history. I say shannon rutherford. It'll be interesting to see you know. She might be someone who is the most out of her element much like she was on the island. She is also missing both her her brother in boone and her romantic partner inside she is truly an independent chain and let's see if she will flounder or end up dying. Wet in the woods wants more. We've been waiting for the right time and the right time has not yet arrived but when it comes on down the hatch we have what has been discussed as the shannon rutherford dissertation nations defensive shannon written by megan shorts so we will not get into that today but there are shannon stands out there and not just for the great shannon gates but also sopher shannon rutherford as well okay all right. We'll be doing any fear of the walking. Dead jokes josh. This is the only one okay all right and then a woman whose husband is on the other tribe always a rarity to have a married couple separated by tribe on on survivor. Here's yes son so interesting about son is she. Speaks english engine does not. I feel like that gives her an inherent leg up above him though he does have fishing skills so you know what the each bring their own conflict son is a pretty surprisingly shrewd businesswoman herself and we'll see if those skills come out on the island. Do you think that she's gonna. I tell her fellow castaways that she can speak english or she could be too afraid that whenever the tribes swatter if they reach the merge they'll tell gin and she'll be in trouble. I yeah i don't know josh uh-huh monica and brad vibe. You're getting from sun juniper son what's best for some time okay and a a our our youngest survivor contestant ever mind what's best for quanta there. We go early hashtag attender. <hes> <hes> yeah waltz is here look. He may be young in age but his skills more than make up for it. I think if you're looking for someone who has interaction with the wildlife breath of the island walt would be a good source of things though for only know he could disappear for a bunch of episodes and come back much more awkward and tall and lanky and ends up just completely the having no effect on the season whatsoever. I was going to say that he ages so fast that by the time we reached eight thirty nine. He may be like actually thirty nine years old. He's like robin williams jack jack on his tribe age four years every day us. By the end of the season he becomes the tallest hollis of our contestant of all time that's right yeah yeah step aside keith tollackson. Yes okay all right so we. That's our cast eighteen. People people redemption island is in play all other twists of survivor. South pacific has as instructed by brand steel. We have not ever redone a survivor south pacific brand seal but mike appropriate location for lost absolutely you know what the pilot they do. Make note of how you you know when they were ran into rough weather they did turn towards fiji which has been the mainstay of so many different survivor locations but considering just the quits location of the island to begin with south pacific sounds like generic enough name for it..

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