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Day 1,344: Trump's own FBI director contradicts his election attacks

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Day 1,344: Trump's own FBI director contradicts his election attacks

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We'll bring you any breaking developments either in Louisville or across the country where there are other protest taking place today is day thirteen, hundred and forty four of the trump administration with forty days to go until the presidential election five days now until. The first presidential debate and just moments ago the nation's surpassed seven million confirmed corona virus cases. The president is in the midst of an election firestorm of his own making ignited by his public dismissal of one of the cornerstones of American democracy. The peaceful transition of power. He's refused to promise that he'll carry it out if he loses raising fears of a constitutional crisis, tonight trump held his third rally of the week in Jacksonville Florida. But avoided the issue sticking to generally encouraging his supporters to get to the polls. Friends family get your neighbors. Get your coworkers and get out and vote. We have to win this election most important electric. Early voting is already begun. Don't wait. It's safe. Go out and vote. He'll sit and brecca places frequented baseless assertions that mail ballots are rife with fraud and will cost him the election. But after the rally, he tweeted quote cheating on unsolicited ballots by political hacks or anyone else is against the law we are closely watching. The controversy over trump's comments on the transfer power erupted yesterday when he answered this question during a press briefing. Drawl in this election, will you commit today for a peaceful transfer? Of Power after the election. Has Been Rioting. There's been rioting in many cities across this country read and your so called Red and blue states will you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transfer? Of Power after the election. have to see what happens. You know that I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots and the ballots are disaster and. People rioted do you connect to making sure that? They want to get rid of the ballots in you'll have a very. I have a very peaceful there won't be transferred frankly there'll be a continuation. There will be a continuation today before Donald Trump left the White House for Florida. He dug in on his position and cast doubt on the integrity of the November election. We WanNa make sure the election is honest and I'm not sure that again be I don't I. Don't know that it can be with this whole Situation unsolicited ballots, they're unsolicited millions being sent to everybody. The White House tried to back up the boss today the chief of staff and the press secretary speaking simultaneously although not quite the same tune. Governing, very and very simple question if the president loses this election, will this White House will this president assure us that there will be a peaceful transfer of power it's a very simple and then brandon. The president will exact accept the results of a free and fair election. Clearly are the results legitimate. Only the president wins the president will accept the results of a free and fair election. He will accept the will of the American people. Loses and it's free and fair. He will accept answered your question if every ballot is counted and if it's a fair election, we have a history of a peaceful transition of power. Here's the other thing that we do know and bluntly is that we're continuing to see a perversion of the electoral process with mainland ballots that are unsolicited. So that was of you from Pennsylvania Avenue. But on Capitol, Hill Republicans made an effort to distance themselves from trump's comments without criticizing him, and while also reassuring voters Senate Majority Leader Mitch, McConnell and unwavering trump ally who's working hard to fill the Supreme Court vacancy today posted this message quote the winner of the November third election will be inaugurated on January twentieth. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since seventeen, ninety, two today while under oath at a Senate hearing trump's FBI director contradicted trump on the issue of fraud and voting by mail. Is, voting by mail secure, we have not seen historically any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election whether it's by mail or otherwise. Now in Michigan, one of the states where early voting is underway the idea of trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses to Joe Biden did not go over well. How could he? Not? If you're voted out there, you gotta just walk out you know what I mean you. You can't just fight it why what's the Child You know mean he's acting like a child hearing that affect your decision to come vote in person as opposed to by mail or some other way Yes yes. Jesus board he does things to get attention and to. His. Accu from other thing. Meanwhile. Political reports that even if trump isn't planning to leave office, his staff is well into planning a potential transition amid all of this trump did take time this morning to pay his respects to the late juice justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg as she lay in repose at the Supreme Court, the reception he received from the crowd. Was Not warm. I. Vote him out is what the crowd was chanting. Later, the president seemed to try to dismiss what he heard. You'll have some of. That was going on outside. Four. Hours. And fulfill a Fokker win. Well I think that was just a political chant I could we could hardly hear from where we were somebody said there was some Jan thing but They were right next to the media, but we really hardly hear too much. We heard a sound, but it wasn't very strong. Tomorrow Joe Biden will pay his respects to Ginsburg she lies in state at the United States capitol she will be the first woman to be granted that honor here for our leadoff discussion on a Thursday night. Shannon Petty Senior White House reporter for NBC News Digital Bio Wiley Former Assistant United States attorney for the Southern District of New, York at a veteran of the New York. City. Mayor's office now with the new school here in New York and former U. S. Attorney for Alabama Joyce Vance who spent twenty five years as a federal prosecutor good evening to all of you shed and let me just start with you because. I want to go back roughly a month. To Donald Trump and the examples a that he has given us about why this is not going to be a legitimate election talking about mail in balloting to bring us up to speed with where we are today. Let's listen to this. THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA lose this election is if the election is rigged, remember that what's going on with balloting will prove to be one of the great catastrophes in the history of our country from there with the balances, the people sending the ballots in the people, counting the ballots, and who were they sending them to where they being sent those paper ballots. You talk about a bad thing, counterfeit four, Jim do whatever you want. A very serious problem faked ballots, millions, and millions of ballots, cheating those ballots, all of those unsolicited ballots as millions of balance. This is going to be the scam of all time. They're trying to make our numbers look bad this fraud, this missing ballots, there's going to be fraud. It's a disaster what they're doing a hoax with the ballots more than the great embarrassments. In the history of our country they're setting it up for chaos they're doing is trying to sow confusion and everything else I think it's going to be. A terrible time for this country. Shannon what's going on here is the polling that indicates the president that he is trailing in this election and the. Either he's trying to distract from that or he's trying to motivate his people to get out or. What is he doing? Well. You know Allie you and back about a month if you go back a little bit further than that. Two or three months the president was talking about. All Mail in balloting absentee balloting any any ballots sending through the mail he was saying we're susceptible to fraud. Then his advisors senators who are in tough Senate races. Governors started telling him listen. We really need people to be mailing in their vote so they're not going to vote for us. We're heavily reliant on people voting by mail. So then he shifted his argument in the White House shifted their argument to talking about universal, mail in ballots. That's where everyone in a state is every registered voter I should say in a state sent a ballot in the mail you don't have to request that you automatically get it well. Nine states and the District of Columbia are expected to do that, and only one of those states Nevada is even remotely swing state the other States California Oregon Washington New Jersey. A president is expected to lose by double digits like he did in two thousand sixteen. So he is raising an issue with a form of voting that is taking place in heavily democratic states where he has no contest however, the White House continues to try in mush the two together. While, they talk about universal mail in balloting. In the same breath they are talking about Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and raising some sort of bizarre unsubstantiated claims today about. A random ballots being discarded or found in a river the president said. So comparing the two. So people at home with thank that in Pennsylvania millions of people are getting ballots and so if the racist close there, it has something to do with with the idea of every registered voter Gideon valid in the mail. So it's an interesting it's an interesting needle. They're trying to thread between raising issue and the type of voting. That's not going to have an effect on the president's results, and then trying to put that on top of states that just have regular absentee voting like we've had for decades a lot of places and Maya in doing that, he's now added this component of. Not. Perhaps, legitimising the outcome of the election and then not necessarily leaving office. Senator Bernie Sanders was on with Rachel in the last night at the nine o'clock hour. Let's listen to what he told her. While I am worried in have been worried. For a long time. That we have a president. Who will refuse to leave office if he loses the election? And what I believe we got to do is listen Catholic to what he says I know there are people out there. All trump's crazy says, he says that God, they come seriously take him seriously. and. I think most of us can agree with Bernie Sanders on one listened to what he says because the often follows through what are you supposed to do with this information? How are you processing the information where Donald Trump has been de legitimizing the election for well over a month now and now says, maybe I will leave office. Though I process it in a couple of wave. First of all, I process it as a sign that Donald Trump feels very vulnerable in terms of his reelection bid. So vulnerable that what we also thought tonight Jacksonville with some. His usual lies and misrepresentations including about ethanol and. Why was he talking about ethanol and Iowa because he is worried about losing Iowa. So what he has to do then is try to tell the American public not to believe they're lying on right. This is something that's not new for Donald Trump and I think this is the point about mail in balloting, and we should make this very clear. We only have good data about the reliability of mail in balloting. For the most part, we have five states that have been doing. Mail in balloting before twenty twenty as of right meaning you just get a ballot in the mail and you vote by mail. So it is simply not true but it is because he believes he will lose that he's hedging his bets and threatening and I absolutely agree with Bernie Sanders because my Angeles said it best if someone tells you, they are believed them the first time he's tearing up. Joyce one of the things that I think we are getting close to wanting to hear although it seems strange to even say these things is is, do we want hear from the Attorney General from the Department of Homeland Security from the Joint Chiefs of Staff and people like that to to understand what role they will play if Donald Trump doesn't do the thing that the constitution requires of him to do if he loses the election to whom now do we turn for guidance in for direction? So, trump is said something incredibly dangerous. It's the opposite of the basis of our country where every four years. Since George Washington left power, we've had this peaceful turnover of power. It's really one of the jewels in the crown of our democracy and I think your question is the right question to ask. It's absolutely incumbent upon the press to reach out to everyone from Mike Pence on down who forms this president's cabinet and ask them do you support a peaceful transfer of power and and here's the problem and we heard it in your comments in the opening I think from Mark Meadows the chief of staff, and perhaps from others they want it, they wanNA cage this. And say, well, only if the election is free and fair, will we agree to turnover of power and the problem is that Donald Trump is setting up a fake narrative that the election will be unfair I mean he has a remarkable crystal ball here. We are still several weeks out and he already knows that the election is going to be unfair even when his own FBI director has said, historically, there's no nationwide fraud type. The president by the way is alleging that would a indicate that the results of an election would be suspect. So the entire problem here demands consistent statements from everyone in the Republican leadership. I, for one as a citizen would like to hear those. Every day from everybody who will be involved in the peaceful transition of power, which is a cornerstone of our democracy. My Wiley, you've been involved during your career in policing and civilian supervision of policing. We have demonstrations again in Louisville. Tonight we heard Donald Trump say this about about protesters? Let's listen in for. The Democrat Party's war on COPS. is putting the lives of it. Is said police officers endanger last night as you know, do police officers were shot. In Louisville Kentucky every year dozens of courageous police officers lag lay down their lives for people that they never met people that own. Not We're glad to hear that the two officers shot in Louisville Kentucky. They were not was not life threatening. They seem to be on their way to being mended, and we definitely hear a police getting shot for just doing their jobs. What's missing in this conversation right now because the the city of Louisville settled with Brianna Taylor's family acknowledging that there were policing shortcomings that led to her death up to lay people like me that. Indictment was very, very strange. Someone got indicted for wildly shooting into a neighbor's apartment but no one is being held responsible whatsoever for an innocent woman's death at the hands of police what's missing? What's missing here? Alley is a recognition that demonstrators are trying to point our attention to which is that the system is broken because it is working as it is designed to work, and that's what we have to understand Brianna. Taylor is dad because she dumped a boyfriend who apparently may have had problems with the law but has no criminal record of her own and that she died in her apartment shot in her apartment and back if something that we have to ask ourselves, what were we doing there what what demonstrators are saying there is no consequence to the loss of black lives at the hands of police and that is in and of itself an injustice. A settlement, there's no restitution paid by the officers. There is important components in the settlement I don't want to send that suggests that the settlement doesn't have value. It's just the point about justice. Is that just because you wear a bad doesn't mean you can hide behind it. When you kill someone, you should have taken greater precautions to protect and what black folks. And all kinds of Americans of all races, all classes, all all all stripes are saying is something really is broken because it is working the way it was designed and we should change that stress you and I've talked a lot about the suppression of First Amendment Rights by this president, the amount that he takes joy in talking about suppressing reporters right in Louisville. Three journalists were arrested last night too from the daily caller, a conservative outlet that is usually very very supportive of the president and in particular of police in these in these uprisings but they were arrested and held after identifying themselves as press and after the daily caller. Spoke to the Louisville Metro Police Department told them. that. They were police. Now the fact that they're friendly to donald trump friendly to police shouldn't have a bearing on this matter the a first amendment applies to us all equally but there does seem to be something afoot in this administration that is making its way down to local police about disrespecting in dishonoring the press that's dangerous for society. Gets set at the top on this and it's always been a certainty that the White House. That's not say that in every administration, there's been one hundred and five percent support for the press. Obviously, there are always issues of give and take, but there's a fundamental commitment to the First Amendment and the problem that we're seeing now filter into cities we had arrests in Birmingham during Blm. Rallies where we had reporters arrested that tells you that it's spread all across the country. It is because of this tolerance if not encouragement that the president offers for viewing the press as the enemies and we need to remember that the free press is all that stands between us a government that shrouded completely so that it can do whatever it wants to do without having any sort of light shined on its procedures. Justice Brandeis, used to love to say that sunlight is the best disinfectant the press they're the people that bring disinfectant to our society. So losing that would be terrible discouragement to the constitution and important for Americans to remember it's not about the press you like about people who write the things you like the First Amendment, is for all of us. Thank you to all three of you this evening. Shannon petty piece. Maya Wiley Joyce Vance coming up with five days to go until the first debate campaign veteran David gives us his take on just how consequential that face off is going to be, and later we'll ask a retired four star general who fought for our democracy about the president's refusal to commit to a peaceful transfer of power the eleventh hour just getting started on a Thursday night. On Friday October sixteenth how one man saw the presidency will change how you see the world focused features and MSNBC films present the way. I. See it based on the New York Times number one bestseller from the producer of the Academy Award Winning Free Solo and director Don Porter. This new documentary offers an unprecedented look behind the scenes at two of the most iconic precedence in American history Barack Obama and Ronald Reagan as seen through the eyes of renown official, White House photographer Pete. 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Some of the president's supporters are already bracing for a humiliating loss new polling released by Fox News shows former vice president Joe Biden leading in three key swing states trump trailing in Nevada Ohio and Pennsylvania where the president has been spending a lot of time. Tonight. David plus former Obama campaign manager and senior adviser to President Obama is also on the board of directors of the Obama. Foundation. His latest book is a citizens guide to. Beating Donald Trump. David, I wanNA talk about the debate, but I want to talk to you about this business about not committing to a peaceful transfer of power I can never gauge for myself because I'm so in it what's newly outrageous or aware on the outrage rank something sits but this one stirred something in me as a citizen not as a journalist I'm an immigrant to this country and I I held that thing the transfer of power to be a thing that sets most modern democracies apart and certainly America apart. Well it got to Ali. I think you know this is. A threat to the entire enterprise, you have a sitting United States, press president threatening to ignore the results of an election. And two. If you read the Atlantic article that came out yesterday as well you know things like establishing a rival electoral college slates though in the state legislature is now I think a lot of that listen the strategy behind this I think is to suppress the vote. Trump in his campaign are trying to make it seem to Democratic voters who may be on the fence about voting the maybe the election won't count. So I don't think that's going to be successful I. also think he setting up if he loses you know he kind of wants to be the president of an exile. Someone who is wrongfully defeated. So listen if Joe Biden win this election by one vote or one st a, he is going to be the next president of the United States but I think the message that we need to send you know not just Democrats independents Republicans care about their country is a stinging defeat, donald trump and his enablers because I think we really can get numb to this The lies the racism I mean I've hardly say that he he but every day he's out there being racist being misogynous lying threatening the press but this now has crossed the line and actually think it is going to hurt him in the election. Because I think there may be twenty five percent of the people in the country who would be fine if we ignore the election results, but the other seventy, five percent including a lot of Republicans do consider this to be the most chairs thing in our country. Is that going back to George Washington we have a peaceful transfer of the president's. David let's talk about the debate Donald Trump has from a very early point in this campaign long before, Joe Biden was the candidate talked about sleepy Joe and discussed his his mental state things like that. He's he's been managing expectations that. People might be surprised by debate night. I think. So I mean the bar there's low for biting. Let's let's be clear. There are voters in Florida in Wisconsin in Arizona weather. They are truly still swing voters and really haven't checked into the race or voters who may be a Democrats of, but not sure they're going to register a vote and they haven't really seen by what they might hear some of this stuff is Biden really up to this. Kenny hand trump could handle the presidency. And they're not watching all interviews and I think it's been pretty crystallography weeks. So Biden I think as a low bar to cross but the pressure here on trump Joe Biden has had a significant in stable lead all the way going back to pre pandemic the polls you just showed Joe Biden over fifty percent in swing boats. Trump has to pull vote away from bite net is just a mathematical reality. So trump is the one who has. All the pressure on him, he has to disrupt the race next. Monday next Tuesday, and if he doesn't, I'm not gonNA, suggest that the next three debates aren't important. But if Biden does well next week and trump underperforms or doesn't shake up the race, which is what he has to do I think you're gonNA see some people tune out the rest of the debate. So next Tuesday is the most important date offer the remainder of the campaign. Saying something from you David Good to see was always thank you David plop coming up a you never never know Florida was once a corona virus hotspot by looking at these pictures from tonight's trump rally and Jacksonville we're GONNA. Ask a doctor who treats Kobe. Patients about that and get medical update from the Sunshine State when the eleventh hour continues. The vaccine will be safe and it will be affected. It will defeat the virus and it will end the pandemic vaccine comes we look at it as an important tool to supplement the public health measures that we do, but it is not going to eliminate the need to be prudent and careful without public health measures. The president at odds with the experts yet again, today over whether a vaccine could actually end the pandemic and as we've officially topped seven million confirmed cases tonight in the United States, we're still learning more about the risks with this virus new data from the city says young adults infected by corona virus set off surges that have sickened older Americans as the New York. Times. Notes quote from June through. August. The incidents of cove nineteen was highest among young among adults aged twenty to twenty nine years. Old Young adults accounted for more. Than twenty percent of all confirmed cases this week after a marathon meeting the fourth largest school district in the country Miami Dade voted to push back in person school reopenings until next month for more on this, let's bring in Dr Eileen. Marty, she's a professor of Infectious Diseases at Florida, International University in Miami she's a former navy officer. She's worked on global medicine with the World Health Organization Dr Marty. Thank you for being with us. This week alone has seen some remarkable milestones seven million cases crossed in the United States confirmed cases. Two hundred thousand deaths, which unfortunately is quite in line with some of the better projections that we've had about. The way things are going, and we still have places in the United States where cases are increasing and we are still losing somewhere around one thousand people a day more than seven months into this. This is just there's no other way to look at this compared to other countries than public health failure. I can't. I can't disagree with you. It is tragic to know that we have twenty two percent of the cases and we constitute four percent of the world's population. In Florida. We at the end of June, we had a about a June twenty second we of one, hundred, thousand cases. Now, we're almost at seven hundred thousand cases. We're doing a lot better we put in a lot of measures. We made a lot of changes in our. In our behavior in in in mass mandates, and so forth in particular counties where it was necessary to do so. And our numbers have come down dramatically no longer at twenty percent positive rate in our testing where now hovering around five percent over the last few days where in fact, we're a little bit below five percent, which is good. So most of the criteria that we had a look at for community criteria in order to reopen schools, which is one of the things that we're very concerned about now happen been met. With just a couple of lagging indicators. So the science can help us get through this and they're a lot of people who think. Schools are not a bad idea because we could monitor them very closely. We can act if something goes wrong but we have to do. So with the understanding that we may not know enough about how the spreads meanwhile the President's adviser in this Dr. Scott Atlas? Seems to be just sort of putting out there the idea that there's no danger with kids either to them or to the people they're going to infect. We know this not to be true. Well you've named an individual that I don't understand why he's a member of the team at all because he's not an infectious disease doctor, he's not an epidemiologist he has no particular background in this field so. And I read the letter from his colleagues at Stanford. Medicine. That are quite upset by the the the disgraceful types of comments that he has made. Let's talk about what's happening in? Florida Jacksonville about three hundred and fifty miles I guess from where you are the president. Held a rally tightly packed like like. So many of his rallies many without masks we're looking at images of it right now. Literally, I mean you'd be hard pressed to find masks in there. What goes through your mind when you see this kind of behavior. I see trouble I see that there is there's people putting themselves in harm's way and. And I think that it is the responsibility of the leaders to make sure that people act in ways that do not increase the spread of a dangerous and very Easy to spread virus. You are you you teach infectious diseases, people I know like you or virologists or? All just this is not terribly sexy work most of the time, but you understand that solving these problems is protocols rules things that have been tried before and putting it forward. Why are we in this position that we're in right now where we are We are now in a position to doubt what are officials tell us we don't even know when the FDA tells us something or the CDC tells us something whether there's been political involvement in that I would like to know as as an American. That this information is untainted. I've had the privilege to work most of my adult life for the federal government I have worked for. The Department of Defense as you mentioned early on. I worked for the Department of Homeland. Security for a hhs in various capacities, and I can assure you that we have some of the finest scientists working in the federal government for trying every day to do the right thing and to and to provide us with the right science I've never before seen the kind of political pressure on our federal agencies in something that is so vital and so important to our health as I've seen. In the last few months and quite frankly it puts us in a very awkward position. It puts all of us in a very awkward position because when information is posted to a webpage belongs to one of these agencies that we rely on to give us good solid data and those of us who've been studying the science in know of the risks in and review all the work that's going on and see our own patients realize. Is Not workable and is not practical and then we have to go to the people that are the decision makers in our units and explain to them why we we have to go above and beyond what the CDC is recommending And why it's it's an extremely unfortunate thing us but it's also horrible for the United States and for all the citizens because. When people don't know what to rely on they stop thinking they stopped acting in a way that based on critical thinking and instead base their judgments on emotion in even base their judgment emotions they're very easily swayed by individuals who don't necessarily have their best interests at heart a threat. The number of texts and emails I've gotten from people with no medical training whatsoever sending me information on what we really need to do when in fact that information should be readily available to all Americans from sources like you and the people like you who work in government truly Mardi thank you for the work that you do Dr Ali. Marty is a professor of Infectious Diseases at Florida International. University, in Miami coming up more on the president's take on the transition of power with a man who dedicated his life to defending democracy we're going to hear from General Barry McCaffrey when the eleventh hour continues. Higher everyone it's joy Reid. I'm so excited to tell you about my new MSNBC show the readout every weeknight I'm talking with the biggest news makers about the most pressing issues of our time like Joe Biden the words president matter and so as President United States the first thing I'm GonNa. Do is stand up and talk sense and be honest with the American people level with them. Atlanta Mayor Keisha. Land's bottom. We need as many voices as we can have. As possible sounding the alarm encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions to bottle the science and the data Senator Comma Harris We send folks into war wearing camouflage. So what is going on here when you said camouflage uniformed officers into a city and many more, you can listen to the readout as podcast by searching for the readout. That's R. E. I D. O. U. T. One word wherever you're listening right now and subscribing for free. Thanks for listening. But it reminds him you are not in North Korea you are not in Turkey you're not in Russia Mr President and by the way you are not in Saudi. Arabia. You in the United States of America it is a democracy. So. Why don't you just? Try for a moment to honor your oath of office. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi today when asked about the president, not committing to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose the election? The New York Times points out quote trump for his part does not seem to mind all the criticism and appears intent on sowing doubt about the legitimacy of an election he is in danger of losing. And quote with US talk about this General Barry McCaffrey a decorated combat veteran of Vietnam of Iraq of a whole lot of places. In fact, I was going to unite general we have talked for years but I I was looking up all the places you've been in the world all the places that are forces were because of unstable governments governments that didn't accept. The Voice of the people and I worry today that we have introduced this into our lexicon here in the United States for the first time in our democratic history, the idea that we will de-legitimize our own election and then the president will not be willing to move off. Before eighteen sixty with Jefferson Davis. But literally in modern times. You're entirely correct. There's no pressure the United States hip dared to call into question the underlying principles of democracy free and fair election. So it's a very dangerous situation, and by the way when you're trying to understand what someone would will do in the future, you should take into account their words, what are they saying and what are they writing? So I think we ought to take Mr Trump. At, face value listen to what he's saying in writing and be extremely concerned the other side of that. Equation of clearly is we have institutions that will protect us that won't buckle which saw the FBI director talk frankly the Congress who We have some very I think strong minded people in government they're going to have to speak up in the coming month. So this is what I want to ask you about general because we have a lot of political commentators on the show, and then we have people like you decorated soldiers. We have military people with you have worked for government and in the military. At this point who are the voices we need to hear from who represent the institutions that you? Assure will protect us. Are we looking for the Attorney General for the Defense Secretary for the Department of Homeland Security? Secretary, who needs to tell us don't worry about all this stuff will make sure this goes the way it's supposed to go. Well, I think we have a lot of trust in the civil service. Professionals throughout government, we ought to have a great deal of confidence in the armed forces. To obey the constitution, we have to trust at the FBI federal law enforcement, Will Bay the law. Having said that you know it's clear to me. To my astonishment, some of these Republicans who I know and admire. Have remained mute in the face of what in my judgment is a rogue presidency fill with illegalities with disregard of the Constitution of taking money that hadn't been appropriated by Congress of not standing up to our enemies at Mr Putin A. de-legitimizing the vote, we have hundreds of thousands of armed forces, troops, and their families who will vote by mail. So again, it's a very I think threatening situation and the Republicans in Congress. now speak up strongly to stand behind the law. I think we ought to count on the supreme. Court. The to be a professional into obey the law in the media had better stay aggressive in observant. There's a message to all of us that we accept General Barry McCaffrey. Thank you Sir for being with us as always coming up how at America first approach to covert nineteen vaccine whenever there is one could end up doing more damage than good when the eleventh hour continues. Donald Trump is not the only world late leader in eager pursuit of a vaccine for corona virus. Other countries around the world are also rushing to develop their own. The fractured effort could leave poorer nations without one and that could have a worldwide impact as NBC News correspondent, Carl? Nazran? Reports. Nations around the world or vaccine shopping spree buying up access to doses even before they complete scientific trials and it's wealthy countries like the United. States. Most of the by. The US already securing exclusive rights to at least one point, six, billion doses of several promising vaccine candidates. If all of them proved safe and effective, that's enough to give every American nearly five shots several other countries including the UK and the European. Union also walking in early access to vaccines from various drugmakers. Nearly, half the future supply of a vaccine being developed right here at the University of Oxford the World Health. Organization. Calling this behavior vaccine nationalism, the first priority must be vaccinate sampling own countries rather than all people in some countries. This entire crisis has been a global tug of war wealthy countries, stockpiling scarce resources like ventilators and face masks. Now, with a future vaccine expected to be in short supply countries that can't pay upfront already in danger of being stuck at the back of the line the head of the Africa CDC John. Kanga Song is concerned a vaccine won't arrive in Africa at the same time as the US or Europe. That's exactly what happened during the swine flu pandemic in two thousand nine. Ended the nineties lifesaving HIV AIDS anti retroviral drugs were widely available in the US nearly a decade before Africa. They were ticky to program that the history of what the continent went to. Is. This the best kept secrets in global health to ensure equal access this time the WHO is teaming up with group called Garvey four ambitious plan to deliver two billion doses of vaccines around the world by the end of next year. So the idea here is, can we provide vaccines developed and developing countries at the same time and and try to make sure that you? Cover the key groups that need it. The most more than one hundred and fifty countries have joined the collaboration called Kovacs rich and poor nations pooling resources to buy multiple vaccine candidates and share the most effective once the US is going it alone a trump administration spokesperson saying quote, we will not be constrained by multilateral organizations influenced by the corrupt World Health Organization and China. Public Health experts feared the decision to put America I could leave the US and the rest of the world at even. Greater risk. Carl NBC. News. Oxford England. Our thanks to Carl coming up maybe twenty twenty isn't all that bad. Our continues. The. Last thing before we go tonight is about this year, we are living through the year twenty, twenty, anno. 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NASA says today September Twenty, four, an asteroid, the size of a school bus sailed past us at a distance of about thirteen thousand miles above the earth surface that's closer by the way been some satellites that are orbiting Earth but not to fear. They also add vit- even if it had been on a collision course, it would almost certainly have broken up once it entered the earth's atmosphere. So for now NASA says, we're in the clear congratulations or condolences whatever the case may be for you that the bus sized asteroid missed hitting earth today. On. And that is broadcast tonight on behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks have NBC News. Good night. In an election year like no other, there are now less than six weeks until November third election day Tuesday, Donald Trump Joe Biden. 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Day 1,238: George Floyd's brother testifies to Congress as Trump plans a campaign rally

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

45:56 min | 4 months ago

Day 1,238: George Floyd's brother testifies to Congress as Trump plans a campaign rally

"Well good evening once again day twelve, hundred, thirty, eight, now of the trump administration, one hundred forty six days until our next presidential election protests continue unabated as George. Floyd's brother calls on Congress. To enact change and the president tries to decide where he will land, as our nation faces a reckoning on policing injustice and inequality flowness. Floyd came to Lafayette Square this evening, marching with lawmakers in the area near the White House, where federal officers last week used chemicals and clubs and horses to clear demonstrators peacefully protesting his brother's death. This was a day after a day. Rather on Capitol Hill. Where lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee heard his plea to change policing across our country. I can't tell you the kind of pain. You feel when you watch something like that. When you watch big brother, who you looked up to your whole entire life, di Di begging for small. I'm tired I'm tired of pain. Pain you feel when you watch something like that. He didn't deserve to die over twenty dollars I'm asking you. Is What is that what a black man is worth? Twenty dollars I'm here to ask you to make it. Stop Stop the pain. Stop US being tired. It is to make sure his death is not in vain. By the way news out of the twin cities where we've learned that Thomas Lane one of the officers charged in connection with the death of George Floyd has been released on three quarters of a million dollars mail president has yet to come out with any definitive proposal to address police reforms, even though House Democrats Senate. Republicans are working on their own pieces of legislation White House. Aides are said to be working on the issue, but this afternoon during a meeting with African American supporters trump avoided specifics instead focused on what he says has already been achieved. You go down a list of criminal justice reform and all of the things we've done. Opportunities owns the best unemployment rate in the history. Just before the plane came in when you look at the economics when you look at how well the black community has been doing under this administration. Nobody's done anything like we've done and a big thing is criminal justice reform I keep hearing about criminal justice reform that everyone's tried to take the credit and that one I will say we will take the full credit because they couldn't have done it without. You don't need closed police departments. Now we! We need the police. Tomorrow trump travels to Dallas where he's expected to talk about race and policing with law, enforcement, officials and faith leaders were told politico reporting there appears to be a new effort within trump's base to promote defend the police as opposed to the recent calls to defend the police. Whitehouse's now defending trump posting a false conspiracy theory about the video that shows the seventy five year old man in buffalo the. are knocked down by police officers. The false tweet calls it a quote setup. Regret tweeting out a baseless conspiracy theory about seventy five year old protester on the morning George Fluids. The president was asking questions about an interaction and a video clip he saw, and the president has the right to ask those questions. Regret tweeting out, this protester was assaulted. President does not regret standing up for law enforcement husband to have facts before he tweets anything out as the president of the United States, the president did have facts before he tweeted out that under girded his. Meanwhile trump has come out firmly in opposition to another movement that's been gaining support as the nation grapples with these issues. He says he is now firmly against renaming the various us. Military base is named after confederate commanders writing quote, these monumental and very powerful capital p. basis have become part of a great American heritage and a history of winning victory and freedom. Therefore, my administration will not even consider the renaming of these magnificent and fabled military installations. Late this afternoon. NASCAR which has hosted trump as grand marshal at the Daytona International speedway announced quote. The display of confederate flag will be prohibited at all NASCAR, events and properties. The ban by the way was requested by bubba Wallace. The only black driver currently in NASCAR's Upper Echelon House Speaker Nancy. Pelosi is now calling for the removal of statues of confederate soldiers and officials from the US capital. There are eleven of them. In Portsmouth Virginia tonight demonstrators took the heads off. Four confederate statues pulled one down using a tow rope as police by. Amid, all of that trump is now getting ready to get back on the campaign trail with his first rally in nearly three months taking place next Friday night. We're going to be starting our allies. Our first one we believe will be probably just starting to call up. We'll be in Oklahoma. And Tulsa. Beautiful new venue. Meanwhile more bad polling for the president new Gallup. Survey shows his approval rating has dropped ten points to thirty nine percent as trump resumes campaigning. The Federal Reserve is predicting long-term high unemployment and a tough road out of our recession. That comes amid reports of major retail chains, restocked restructuring, getting out of the business in some of their stores. Still Trump says he sees an economy. That's on its way back. We are doing well in so many ways. We're really doing a financial comeback. Jobs numbers were fantastic. I think that the economy will be next year. We'll be maybe the best it's ever been. On that note here for our leadoff discussion on a Wednesday night Shannon petty piece veteran journalists senior White House reporter for us. At NBC News Digital Peter Baker Chief White House correspondent for the New York, times and Eugene Robinson Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for the Washington Post. Good evening and welcome to you all Shannon I'd like to begin with you with a preview of tomorrow. Something less than a national address on race and policing which some folks around the president told us all to expect. But a teleprompter remarks tomorrow. What are we expecting tomorrow in, Texas! Will let us on the president's official schedule. As of now is a roundtable event in Dallas on transitioning the economy after the corona virus, so not necessarily round table discussion on race or policing issues it appears to be economy, but you NBC news was told earlier today to expect the president on this trip to Dallas to address issues of race and police reform. It's certainly police reform that while they had wanted to have the president talk about some tangible policy recommendations, he could make around policing. They certainly don't expect that tomorrow, but they were hopeful that he could lease outline some of his thinking some things that are on the table, possibly some executive orders. He could take, but throughout the course of the week the administration officials have been served downplaying expectations on what we should expect to hear from the president when it comes to addressing the underlying issues of race and policing. That really drove these protests. At the end of last week they were telling me that the president was going to spend the weekend on a listening session together. Some policies and we're still hearing from people that there may be a policy package coming from the White House, but not until Friday maybe sometime next week. So this keeps slipping while as you noted. The president is Wayne into more divisive issues on race like the renaming of these basis after confederate military leaders or this conspiracy theory about the. Protester who was shoved by police. Those things he is talking about still aren't here intangible solutions from him a dear lift leasing. And, indeed Peter Baker in the meantime does the White House seem at all aware of the gravity of the testimony on the hill. Do they seem aware of what's been taken? And what's been asked of this one American family? The print edition of your paper. The headline reads GOP blindsided by public's rage at Floyd killing The Washington Post puts it that his party is now politically isolated. Is this as we discussed last night? Another way of saying you go to war with the demographic you half. Bryan sorry. Back in I think that the white. House is perfectly aware of just how powerful that testimony was today. Just how powerful this whole movement has become. But I! Think that you know they've got a president. WHO's instinct is to defy the conventional wisdom that he needs to reach out to them. He has shown every day where his real estate. Instincts are you know if somebody says we should rename these confederate name? Army basis is gonNA. Say No got angry. When he saw reports, the military was thinking about doing this secretary mark asper general. Mark Milley the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We're talking about that. As part of a comprehensive plan to address issues of race within the military remember, the uniform ranks are. Are Forty three percent of people of Color, so a lot of strong feelings in the military, as well typically as we're talking about these last few days of whether or not, the military should be sent into the streets to to confront protesters, and so the Pentagon officials were very angry today when the president upended them with those tweets, but he understood that that was something that would. Appeal to his base. A key to the people he thinks are turned off by the street protests an appeal to those who find the idea of law and order the message of the day now. Most poll show more Americans including a lot of Republicans are sympathetic to the protest to the president's put himself against the popular tied. Here as you point out even NASCAR institution that is very favorable. President. Trump were allowed to the fans are favorable. The president trump said no more confederate flag today. The president's tacking against the that movement. We're seeing in American society right now. Eugene because words matter, you and I are old enough to remember the effort by trump Republicans to get Hillary, Clinton to use the phrase radical Islamic terrorism. Well, there's a new conversation of foot about the phrase systemic racism. I'll offer you this. We'll talk about it on the other side. Does the President feel that there is systemic racism in law. Enforcement believes post of our police. Officers are good hardworking people on. There's a lot of evidence that and he has great faith in our police department racism in the United States still, but I don't think that the. Law Enforcement, system is just. RACIST WE DON'T BELIEVE! I would say. Do not. So Eugene, that's three people saying everything's fine. Notes Racism I mean I. Don't I don't understand why the administration's trying to plant a flag bearer because the enemy has already advanced far beyond that point I mean this is a. this is a moment where. Many Americans who who made previously have sort of been close to the idea Get. The concept of systemic racism. Americans White Americans who might in the past I've seen it at the phrase as some sort of threat to them, or acusations directed at them rather than actually a neutral description of the reality of American. Life People are more open to that now and I. Think you saw a hint of that in. NASCAR's on stunning decision to ban the confederate flag, all NASCAR events You know so so the president is trying to cater to the NASCAR crowd, but Nascar is already moved on I. Mean I just think they're way behind on what's happening and they just don't seem to have a clue as to where the country is, and that's a bad place for president to be. So, Shannon. Tell me how the trump campaign pulls off this bank shot of campaigning and having rallies. During a pandemic and during a time of civil unrest, or is this so all about the base that the people they would attract in the crowd. It's not like they're going to be encumbered over of fear of a pandemic. It's not like it's going to take time away from. Their civil disobedience in the streets. Well interesting you raised a connection between civil. The protests that we're seeing these trump rallies because one thing that we have been hearing is that the campaign felt that these images of know tens of hundreds of thousands of people in the street. Not Social distancing are wearing masks. Sort of gave them cover to say well if there could be a giant mass protest gathering all these people than we can certainly have a row. We don't know if the rallies are necessarily gonNA. Look like a stadium packed. Full of people shoulder to shoulder. They could be an outdoor event possibly where people could be spread out a little bit more. But that those images of the protests were catalyst to get that going and I'll say something about the value of these rallies to It's certainly important for the president emotionally to get out there. It is important for his base to charge them up, but these rallies are very important to the campaign, structurally because they provide an enormous amount of data, they're really data, collection and mining operations. Everyone signs up for ticket gives her email to the trump campaign, which can then cross check that with their voter. Voter file their consumer history and find out what type of people are showing up to enthusiastically support the president for the past few months, the campaign sort of been flying blind in that regard and having to depend on on polling, mostly public polling so once they begin these realize again. That's going to give them a better window into where the president's supporters lie. What the demographics those people look like and how it's changed over the past few months. So that's also keeping. Keep in mind with these rallies. Peter Baker you've written this week about this law and order presidency. Steve Schmidt added this to the conversation earlier. This isn't a conversation about war in order to conversation about justice, and when trump talks about law and order, it's the law and order of Bull Connor. It's the law and order of police dogs in vicious dogs in domination of the streets. That's not law in order to people who brave law and order or the people on the streets, protesting for justice. And indeed Peter while trump has invoked. Richard Nixon a timer to. You! Site, perhaps a more accurate example. While I think people talk about the nine thousand, nine hundred sixty eight campaign, and remember Nixon's appeal to law and order, and of course he did. He ran against the counterculture against the student protesters in the Anti War protesters. And to some extent, obviously, the obvious the riots after after the assassination of Martin Luther King what people forget as he ran in the middle in a way between Humphrey Hubert Humphrey on the left the Democratic nominee and George, Wallace on the right, George Wallace, the segregationist former governor of Alabama running on third party, and it was wallace who was the more combative for incendiary candidate that year Nixon actually had a theme of bring us together. He actually talked to suburban audiences about their obligations to the underprivileged marched in Martin Luther King's funeral procession year, and so while he obviously did play to the the Sorenson fears of a lot of. middle class Americans that. You, know upheaval. They were seeing the street was disturbing. He was careful to try to balance that in a way that we don't see right now out of this president. And so in fact if anybody's. Anybody right now. Occupy? And the Wallace Lane. Going to the hard right, law and order without really making much of a nod to the concerns of the people who are in the streets. They have legitimate concerns to be addressed. Eugene the president has announced this rally Tulsa. Oklahoma next Friday. You're for the good people watching who may not know, tell folks the meaning of the calendar date next Friday, and especially the meaning locally and also Oklahoma. Okay the meaning of the calendar, Di do nineteen, so the the emancipation proclamation was issued at the beginning of eighteen sixty three during the civil war, however, for obvious reasons, it was not announced to the enslaved people who were freed by the emancipation proclamation during the war. And, so that didn't happen. Until the war was over and the last state, in which the enslaved African Americans were told that they had been emancipated that they had been freed. West, Texas. And that happened on June nineteen, eighteen, sixty five do nineteenth June eighteenth, and so that date. Is is is. Celebrated by many African Americans and that's the significant. Significance of of the date significance of the place tall sir. Ninety nine years ago. The perhaps most horrific race riot in our nation's history certain wanted them took place in in Tulsa. Oklahoma the was race riot at right race riot, according to what was it race right up until the sixty s which was a riot by white people against black people, and and this centered on part of Tulsa African American business district that has been known as the Black Wall Street, and it was. It was a horrific horrific mob. Attack on innocent African Americans that killed on perhaps hundreds of people. It's unclear exactly how many their? Efforts underway now and also to to unearth what might be mass graves. It was it was a horrific. Thing and and ninety nine years ago, so that's a significant on in president. I, just want to let people now. It's not just a Friday until Oklahoma. Thank you for that. Thanks to Shannon. Petty piece to Peter Baker and Eugene Robinson, three good friends the broadcast coming up after our first break. We have hit a major milestone in corona virus cases. This is not a good one. One of our country's leading experts is with us tonight to tell us what could happen next as more of our country reopens and later, being, against racism is one thing, but are you anti racist? Specifically? We'll talk to the author of the best selling book on this topic. Who says that may be the true test? The eleventh hour is just getting underway on this Wednesday night. Hey It's Chris as this week. My podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with my friend and colleague Tremaine Lee about this moment in American history. There is a feeling of being under attack. Being Black in America always feels like you have a target on your head and your back, and your heart, and your soul, and your gut in your pocketbook. Always because that's all we've ever known in this country and we're fooling ourselves if. If we ever thought anything else. And that's why. In this moment it's like veneer, and the veil has dropped in a way that again we've been around the block. I've never felt this collective sense of anger and anguish and grief, and as much as it's inexplicable. It actually makes perfect sense because it's always been this way. That's this week on. Why is this happening? Search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. We choose to go to the moon and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are. I'm Chuck Rosenberg on my podcast? Oath I. Speak With those who sacrificed for the common good who believe in collective responsibility who do things because they are hard. Our conversations on the author are thoughtful, civil, respectful essential. We bring these leaders and their struggles and successes to life this week. Civil rights activist Maya Wiley, when police officers are not protected when they tell the truth that creates a culture of silence that makes NAM accessories. Join me for three of the oath and MSNBC podcast search for the oath wherever you're listening right now and please subscribe new episodes every Wednesday. The number of corona virus cases in the US testing dependent has now surpassed two million many states that were I to reopen ease. Restrictions are already seeing something of second spike. Cases are now rising, and at least twenty one states experts say the spike is tied to the reopening in just the state of Arizona. Think about this hospital. Patients have doubled in the last ten days. We welcome back to broadcast Dr Michael oester home. He's a professor and director of the Center of Infectious Disease. Research and Policy University of Minnesota also happens to be CO author of the recent book deadliest enemy, our war against killer germs. Dock here we are There's only talk about re opening in the media say for some talk about the spikes. In cases in a number of states you and I can rattle off and kind of slowly people still at home are lightly branded as scolds ore worry warts for not wanting to get out and Co. mingle as I've asked you so many times. Where are we in this virus? Or first of all, we have to understand that we're not over coronavirus at all. We're just at the beginning we're at five percent of our population has been infected to date with all the pain suffering death and economic disruption know that we're going to go to sixty or seventy percent of the population infected, one way or another, either through the virus, or we'll develop immunity through vaccine, which isn't gonNA come anytime soon, so this constant talk about being over with is is ridiculous, and it's dangerous in terms of where we're at in this. This country right now. If you really, we have to have a sense of humility and say we don't know you correctly pointed out. The twenty one states are seeing the cases increase. That's compared to six or seventeen ten days ago, but if you look at the number of states, seeing decreases right now, that's at twenty five compared to sixteen ten days ago, so we're seeing almost a tale of two countries, one were cases are increasing one where they're actually dropping. Were they're reopening, so I think it's really unclear where we're at right now. I've been struck by the silence from the CDC I've been struck by the silence from the corona. Virus Task Force I. Don't know that it is still a working unit they have. Abrogated, their responsibility in public health, by not updating people on this and I hope everyone involved is cool with that being part of their obituary. The vice president tweeted out this photo tonight. Since taken down, he went over to trump pence campaign headquarters, and of course, a lot of folks in social media noticed one thing about the photo. Find a mask anywhere on any person in the photo, perhaps for that reason and realizing that it violated. Restrictions in Virginia right now. where it was taken, this photo was taken down tonight. So where are we? Dr In the traditional federal government role of public health updates and education. The fact that I can answer. That tells you something I don't know and that's what's really unfortunate. The CDC you're right doesn't say much. They are doing good work. In the states are a number of CDC employees out helping state health departments right now and doing great work, but that kind of messaging that that public health leadership we need is really absent I think the administration. Administration has just decided that the virus has done over with the problem, is they? Don't get to decide. The virus will decide, and as I said to you before. We know we're not driving. Tiger were riding it. We are going to see a lot of corona virus infection in the months ahead, and no amount of will in it away is going to make any difference. You and I talked about the social justice during a time of social distancing. Is it safer to protest outdoors or attend a political rally indoors? Right now anything you can do outdoors better Even even if you are around other people we'd like to have you say apart. Distancing is by far the most important thing you can do. There is no other. Public Health intervention of any kind. That's more important than distancing outdoors. The virus dissipates very quickly particularly on more windy location, ironically, beaches happened to be some of those places in the world to blow that virus away, so I think that's a great idea to be able to go out if you in fact are in close contact outdoors. However, you're coughing because you've encountered, tear gas or smoke, or you're yelling and. And screaming, then, yeah, you may be able to transmit more clearly. Indoors is our big challenge. We've known that for decades that if you want to transmit these human viruses from people breathing and sharing air the place to do it as indoors, so that would be the area that I don't care what you're doing whether. It's a rally whether it's a meeting any of those activities indoors is clearly a much higher risk. Dr We so look forward to your visits Michael Oester home with us from Minneapolis tonight, our thanks as always and coming here us. Our next guest writes eloquently about the struggle of a lot of Americans to be anti racist. The questions he says we need to be asking. We'll talk to him when we come back. He pleaded for his life. He said he couldn't breathe. Nobody cared nobody anybody would. They notice wrong. You don't do that to human being. You don't even do that to an animal. He's lives matter. All lives matter. Black lives matter. Again all we ask is that people consider what's been taken from, and then asked of this American family in the space of sixteen days calls for change. Beyond injustices of police brutality in our country as our next guest writes in the Atlantic quote, black-americans are constantly stepping into the souls of the dead. Because they know they could've been them. They are them because they know it is dangerous to be black in America because. The Americans see blacks as dangerous for more. We are happy to welcome to our broadcast. Abram ex candy. He has joined Boston, university the launch. The schools Bu Center for anti-racist Research. He is also a contributing writer for the Atlantic has an author. He is already a recipient of the National Book Award and his latest work. How to be an anti-racist is currently on the New York. Times bestseller list professor were so happy to have you on, and this is where I'd like to begin. Let's talk about the white folks who are self identified as enlightened Maybe even woke. WHO ARE PROUD TO PROCLAIM? They are not racist. How long a walk is it from where they are? To what you see as. Racism per se. I think that in their minds they are already anti-racists, but but what's actually the case is by self identifying as not racist, their self identifying in the way, slaveholders self identify themselves not racist segregationist argue that they were not racist. Even Donald. Trump says he's the least racist person anywhere in the world, and so the construct of not racist has historically been people when they're challenged with being racist. Spahn I'm not racist. That's all it's really ever meant. That's all that's all its utility ever been, but there's a very clear sense of what it means to be. antiracist people who are anti-racists believe the racial groups are equal people who are anti-racists or are striving for policy that leads to equity, injustice. What are the questions, people goodhearted people everywhere should be asking right now. Well. I think if goodhearted people should be asking questions as to why in Minneapolis Black people only about twenty percent of the population, but than sixty percent of the people who are subjected to police shootings. Why is it that black and Brown people a disproportionately infected and disproportionately even killed from from covid nineteen, these are racial disparities in there's only two answers to these questions, either it's because there's something wrong with black people. There's something wrong with Brown people, or it's the result of racist policies and I think Americans need to ask these questions, so they can understand where they stand on the racist or the anti-racist side. Starting on the policing side of the equation, are you optimistic? Has, your opinion changed over these past sixteen days that police departments. This entire de-fund conversation that's going on police departments can be rebuilt. To better serve knowing that when we all dial nine one one. We need to know there's somebody coming. I. Don't really know whether I'm. Or pessimistic, but but I. Think looking at the reality of so many Americans from small towns to big cities who recognize that that police violence is a serious widespread problem with is a cultural violent policing, and indeed when people decided or when people are now deciding to demonstrate against police violence. We've seen police violence at the demonstrations against police violence until I. think Americans are seeing that this is a problem, and this is the problem that that needs to be changed, and there's really no tinkering around that that that that really we need to re imagine American policing. We need really reimagined public safety. I WanNa play for you something from professor. Eddie glossed over at Princeton and get your reaction because I heard a through line between his words, and you're writing. We'll talk about it on the other side. I was also thinking about the nature of black public grief and suffering and trauma. that it has to be in public in this way I thinking about going all the way back to eighteen, seventy, one in congressional hearings around the KKK and we have to testify to the torture the maiming the loss of loved ones thinking about all the moments where we have to in some ways make explicit our loss, our trauma in order to move the country. Professor your reaction. are think that that is one of the things that I really. I guess to understated both. Black Americans that that it takes something so agree GIS that that in terms of George Floyd's murderer in terms of retailers merger murder in the simultaneous outcry of public suffering for then certain Americans to realize that that the black people feel pain to that. Black people are human, too that their lives matter to why. Why does it have to be something so egregious? Why can't we see the everyday problems of racial profiling as something that needs to be transformed? Why does it have to be something as serious as as as the death of someone like George Floyd? Again the book how to be an anti-racist Professor Ibrahim. Kennedy who has an author is already a winner of the National Book Award a great pleasure having you on the broadcast tonight. Thank you for joining us. Thank, you have yarn. Coming up for us why so many veterans of the Justice Department would like to see? Its current boss investigated. We'll talk to one of the people who signed onto a letter saying just that right after this. Over twelve hundred former department of Justice employees are urging the agency's watchdog to investigate attorney general bill bars role in clearing protesters from Lafayette Park last week. Horses Clubs, weapons-firing chemical dispersants were all used on peaceful citizens. A short time later, the president appeared for his widely condemned photo op holding up a Bible in front of Saint John's Church. The DOJ alumni letter to the inspector general reads quote. We are disturbed by attorney. General bars possible. Possible role in ordering law enforcement personnel to suppress a peaceful domestic protests in Lafayette Square on Friday the denied giving the order to clear the protesters earlier in the week. The White House press secretary told reporters it was bar in fact to made the decision and this reminder bar himself made a very public visit to the park, knowing it would be spotted by the cameras that day as he conducted his personal survey of the crowd. Back with US tonight is Frank Lucy former FBI. Assistant Director for counterintelligence. He is among our national security analyst for Good Reason. So Frank People are exhausted. People have watched accountability. Wash away these days. When you have a problem in this government, you fire the inspector general. People have seen other. Letters with mass silage get ignored as a signee of this letter. Why is this? Well. It's first because we should refuse to allow what I call outrage fatigue to get the better of us. We can become numb to this. We can become used to it, but the the alumni of the Department of Justice that signed this letter are saying we can't get used to this. This is not normal, and we need to know some answers about the role of this attorney general. In the use of excessive force against peaceful protesters in Lafayette Lafayette Square that day we need to know who gave the order who planned? To execute this use of force, including a pepper, spray, gas and rubber bullets, injuring peaceful protesters and journalist, and even greater than that Brian we, we're asking for a larger inquiry into the attorney general's role writ large involving the protests. Why is it that he seems to think that he's in charge of Non Doj? Law Enforcement there were secret service. There were military. There were park police in Lafayette Park. Does he think he's in charge of those agencies as? As well, let's get this worked out. If he's got a case to make, let's hear it, but right now we demand answers and the inspector general specifically the that's what we're asking for. Is Inspector General inquiry? His job? Ferret out waste fraud and abuse, and I think all three elements of there. We also need answers on how this attorney general could have declared the Drug Enforcement Administration the DA, some kind of a secret agency to monitor and surveilled protesters. Throughout the country and gave them broad federal authority to do so. Let's get some answers on that because we're going to set precedent moving forward for the future and before we do that, let's call timeout. If reasonable a people agree that this agee's Greatest Act of supplication, Thus far was to act as Human Kevlar Shield, the blast of the Muller report. From his boss as a g bar is remembered years after he serves, where will this act in Lafayette, Park ranked. Do you think? I think this is going to form a legacy of an attorney general who's going to be viewed through the Lens of history extremely harshly. He's going to be viewed as someone who did not stand for law and order, but rather abused his authority. He's going to stand for someone who's lying to the court. If you look this was a bad day, for for Attorney General Bar, If you if you look at what what's happened in the district courts in Columbia. A judge who was appointed by the judge sitting. In the Flint Case And said in over seventy pages laid out. The evidence bar is not being truthful. When he asked to dismiss the charges against former National Security Advisor Flynn. The Language and there is extremely harsh. Saying that the briefing that was filed was filled with inexplicable errors of fact and law says it looks like the only reason. This dismissal motion was made was because Flynn is a friend of the. This is something that can't go on and we need answers from this attorney general if he's going to continue in that role. And that ladies and gentlemen is why we felt the need to hear from frank fig tonight on our broadcast and frank, our thanks as always coming up for us. We get a report from overseas tonight about the impact of George Floyd's death thousands of miles away from home. When we say that George, Floyd's death has already changed the world that is not an empty phrase. Protests indeed stretch around our world and in the United Kingdom. Demonstrators are confronting long standing images of that country's own ugly history was slavery NBC's Helena. Humphry has our report tonight from London. Anger at the injustice is if today. The symbolism of the past Edward Colston. Statue in Bristol England. Rose in tribute to a philanthropist and fell, infuriate his profiteering as a slave trader. Costs into the same harbour where slave ships once docked. Across the United Kingdom lives matter. Protests are forcing a brutal reckoning with the country's colonial history. Thousands demanded the removal of this monument to slave traders Cecil Rhodes, at Oxford University and this statue were Robert Michigan. Another slave trader was lifted from its plinth in central London in front of cheering crowds. Problem is use a simple statue. Say this man is a hero, and that's the end of it. They can't debate nuance. There's no flexibility that's why statues are not an effective mechanism for telling US history. London's Massa DIJK CON has ordered a commission to review the city's landmarks, murals, street names and statues. He wants to raise tributes to those with links to the slave trade. Feelings are running so high here now that even the record of one of his country's most famous sons is now in question, graffiti sprayed onto the statue off, so Winston Churchill now largely removed calling out his record of racist remarks demonstration to Fox for one of his biggest admirers. I will not support. Or indulge those who break the law. If you want to change the urban landscape, you can stand for election vote for someone who will signs too that the movement is spreading a one hundred and fifty year old statue of King. Leopold, who's ru caused the death of millions in Africa was removed from a public square in the Belgian city of Antwerp yesterday. George Floyd's death, Sean a light on racism and inequality in the world today his legacy may impart change history to. An humphry. NBC News London. An example of what we're talking about coming up some of the other news and important story, particularly that got Bhai as our attention was focused elsewhere over these past few days. We'll have it for you after this. Last thing before we go tonight and full disclosure, this is not happy news, and it's not for the faint of heart, either, but it is a reminder that while we cover a pandemic and social unrest governing goes on the rules. Get changed almost as if no one is looking. This happens to be about hunting in Alaska. Here is the headline and here is the photo and here is the reporting from Lisa Friedman of the New York Times and we quote. Baiting grizzly bears with doughnut soaked in Bacon, grease using spotlights to blind and shoot hibernating black bear mothers and their cubs, and their dens, gunning down swimming, Caribou, for motorboats, hunting methods that for years were decried by wildlife protectors, and finally banned as barbaric by the Obama Administration will be legal again on millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness in time for the warm July weather. The National Park Service. Policy published the new rules in the Federal Register on Tuesday. Reversing Obama administration roles and giving trophy hunters outfitters on Alaskans thirty days to prepare to return to national preserves in Alaska with the revived practices among the reinstated tactics, killing wolves and coyotes including POPs. The season went mothers Wayne. They're young and using dogs to hunt bears. The article goes on to point out. This is an issue championed by the president's son Don Jr.. It says the group's Safari. Club international recently auctioned off what they called a week long dream hunt with DJ, TJ through the wilds of Alaska. And that is tonight's reminder that elections have consequences. That is also our broadcast this Wednesday evening. Thank you so very much for being here with us. On behalf of all of our colleagues, networks NBC News Good night from our temporary field headquarters.

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Day 1212: Trump wears no mask at WH event as U.S. death toll tops 88,000

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Day 1212: Trump wears no mask at WH event as U.S. death toll tops 88,000

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We've lost ten thousand more people. Just since we came on the air a week ago tonight gotta say the news out of the White House. Today was pretty great. President said quote vaccine or no vaccine. Were back he said quote? We are doing a great job and more good news. He said quote. It'll go away at some point. It'll go away then. He added quote other. Things have never had a vaccine and they go away again today. He cited the Nineteen. Seventeen flu pandemic. Which is what he calls the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic. He said in many cases you fight through it but quote what we'd like to do if we can is the vaccine. Speaking of the vaccine the president further raised hopes. Today that one will be available by the end of the year even though so many experts and doctors today immediately cast doubt on that and whenever there is a vaccine the president felt the need to say today quote. Not Everybody is going to want to get it. He said the White House has managed this so well in dealing with the nation's governors quote. We've made a lot of people look very good. And that's after he said again today quote. He inherited nothing from the previous administration. He reassured the American people that Corona virus effects quote a very very small percentage of people. He said quote the vast majority many people don't even know they have it. He said again. Some of them have the sniffles and he now says as far back as January eleventh quote we were out there trying to develop a vaccine January eleventh. That's a full eleven days before he gave that first assessment on the virus when he said it's one person coming in from China and it'll be fine well back here in the real world tonight as so many of us had into another quarantine weekend the US death toll stands at eighty eight thousand one hundred one the CDC projected today. It'll be at one hundred thousand by June first as of today forty eight states all but Connecticut Massachusetts are now in the process of opening. Backup in some form or fashion. Today in the Rose Garden the President formally announced his vaccine development program which he's calling operation warp speed. There's never been a vaccine project anywhere in history like this and I just WanNa make something clear. It's very important vaccine or no vaccine. We're back today. The prestigious medical journal The Lancet one after the administration's response to Corona virus. In an editorial they wrote this the administration is obsessed with Magic Bullets. Vaccines New medicines or hope that the virus will simply disappear but only a steadfast reliance on basic public health principles like tests trason isolate will say the emergency brought to an end again. That's the land set not the Washington Post editorial page. Here's some more of what we heard from the president today on what the Lancet calls magic bullets and other essential pillar of our strategy to keep America open is the development of effective treatments and vaccines as quickly as possible. Want to see if we can do that very quickly. We're looking to When I say quickly we're looking to get it by the end of the year we can. Maybe before. We're doing tremendously well. You see Dr Fao. Ci there in a mask because he was exposed to a member of the White House staff who tested positive. The president's new vaccine czar told The New York Times today developing and producing a vaccine by January is a credible objective but added quote. Frankly twelve to eighteen. Months is already a very aggressive timeline. This has the Washington Post reports. Today there's growing friction between the White House and the CDC post reports at this way. White House officials said they are frustrated. But what they consider the agency's bulky flow of data and information the leak of an early version of the CDC's reopening recommendations and the agencies crucial early failure to create and roll out test for the virus. Meanwhile the issue of wearing masks once again came up today during the event in the Rose Garden as we said Dr Foul she could be seen in a mask so as Dr burks there on the left trump was not wearing one and the president indeed was asked about it the president. Could you just clarify? Why are some of you wearing a mask and why are some of you know wearing? We've all been tested. I've been tested. We've all been tested and we're quite a distance away and we're outdoor so. I told them I gave them the option. They could wear it or not. You can blame it on me. But I gave them the option. We could wear it or not here for our leadoff discussion on a Friday night. Susan page Washington Bureau Chief for USA Today. A bestselling author. Who's now at work on a biography of the speaker of the House Shannon Petty piece veteran journalists senior White House reporter for us at NBC News. Digital and Dr Irwin Redlener a pediatrics. Physician clinical professor with the School of Public Health at Columbia University. In New York where he also happens to be the director of Colombia's National Center for Disaster Preparedness With an expert expertise in pandemic influenza Shannon. What was that event about today of the medical ethicist Arthur caplan watching live coverage Guests right afterwards that it was about reelection that that's the that's what the end of the year. Buzz phrase is all about well. It's really the way we started the week so on Monday. The president was in the rose. Garden held a big event about testing. That was around messaging to governor to the public that we have the testing capability in place to reopen in to get back to normal and business as usual. A lot of people have said we don't get back to normal until we have a vaccine. We have a stadium full of people until we have a vaccine so we end the week talking about vaccines and this very as you detailed lofty goal by the president to have a vaccine by the end of the year so giving the public this this assurance that we will be returning to normal by the end of the year with the vaccine of course as you laid out that is incredibly aggressive and I will do. The this was also intended to sort of launch this Manhattan style project to race a vaccine To the public to bring in the the military to be who will distribute this theoretical vaccine. That we don't actually have yet but we're in May and add this virus. I in January. So there's a question here of why are we now in mid-may launching this Manhattan Sow Project to get a vaccine to market doctor? Redlener more experts today forced to in other words sing for their supper. The health and Human Services Secretary who's literal first words were thanked the president for his leadership. The American public was today Promised a promise was held out. That will have a vaccine by the end of this year. Is that possible in your view. O'brien Yo know that. They have a potent in wonderland here. It is preposterous to make that statement and also to kind of mislead the American people about what's possible what's not possible. We can have a vaccine the two months if we wanted to forgo the absolutely critical phase of long human testing to make sure that the vaccine works and most importantly that it's safe. It is impossible to get that done by the end of the year. And this is clearly a like you indicated earlier a some sort of play or ploy to create the narrative. That's GONNA play out for the November election campaign so Y- I think there's a lot going on here but What wasn't going on was truth telling to the American people and I just. I just can't believe my eyes every day to see the president other members of staff even a basic math gone. I don't think he understands how impactful his words and his deeds are two Americans are looking in a losing credibility but that certainly plenty of people still sort of following his lead. Of course Brian Susan Page here. We are politically two nations in the face of an ongoing pandemic in all your time on earth or at minimum. In all your time as a journalist you ever recall a quote anything like this from a president quote other things have never had a vaccine and they go away well. It is a remarkable time. You know I was struck today by something that you said to me two weeks ago on your show you said it is going to be a red American a blue America reaction to this pandemic and I said no you know reality is GonNa make everyone to see this in a similar way. I turned out to. I think to be wrong. I think this has become yet another divide in our nation along partisan lines. It's is now a mask. Is the new gun. Control that you know. It's a sign not of common sense or health. It's a it's a declaration of liberty not to have a have a mask on and I think that is why the president has refused with only the exception of one or two times to appear in a matt. Max even though as a doctor Dr headliner was saying it would be helpful to have the president modeling this behavior for everybody else in the country. Yes Susan indeed and thank you for your candour. And I remember that discussion in giving it some thought I think we have. Two diametrically opposed patriotic duties the patriotic as a duty as some. See it to stay in the patriotic duty as some see it to go out. They can't both exist. Technically medically scientifically. I don't think during a pandemic Susan. Now that's right in there. There's cost both ways. That's the point the president has made but we do know from every national poll that we've seen that Americans continue to be more concerned about the health than they are about the economy. They are more concerned about not going out too soon. Having another wave of terrible pandemic seeing even more people I mean a hundred thousand Americans die by June I. It's you just can't get your head around it so the most Americans are on that sort of thing. But we have a really vocal minority. That feels quite differently that it is time to get out and it is wrong for the government to tell them. They need to stay home. Shannon petty piece president in his own words trotting out the date of January eleventh. Twenty twenty quote. We were out there trying to develop a vaccine a full eleven days before he was He ever commented on it. Know you've been attending the White House News Briefings. I know today. Us The press secretary in line with this well then were you guys laying in extra PPI increasing your stockpiles prior to January. What kind of an answer did you get on that well? It was interesting answered one that has fit with some reporting net. I've been hearing when I have asked of course. The president was in office for three years before this happened if the coverage bear. Why didn't you stop them? And you know what Kelly Macadamia the press secretary told today. Is that the administration at that point. Before this was more focused on responding to a bioterrorism event than some sort of mass pandemics sort of respiratory pandemic. And that's what. Hhs officials have told me that. There's always been this pushing poll on inside the US government about. Are we going to invest more in vaccines or in Amtrak's attacker smallpox attack or? Are we going to invest in a medical supplies? You would need to respond to with SARS or bird flu or big respiratory pandemic like. We're seeing right now and the pendulum swung back and forth. But going into this pandemic there had been a big move towards putting that five hundred million or so a year towards vaccines a building up the stockpile. Things like small pox vaccine. You know it's anybody's guess. Which one's going to get us? I that or a respiratory infection. It turned out that it was respiratory pandemic. When we are asking the question will why were the cupboard's bare in where was the P P? That's part of the answer to it and you know the statement that there was no P P P P in the covers. Were bears an exaggeration. But Obama Administration had used a lot of that any bola and h one n one and we're not replacing because of this emphasis on vaccines that's what I've been hearing from former. Hhs officials of course the missing link as you point out is the three years. They had During their administration. Doctor Redlener I'M WANNA play for you. Something this is the president today on testing no APP. It's a great. It's a great test. It's very quick test and it can always be very rapidly double check. If you're testing positive or negative it could always be double-checked but it's a very good test very portable very quick doctor. The president has been actively promoting the Abbott test. He's had the product out there displayed next to him on a small table with the presidential. Seal the Abbott test happens to be the subject of a CDC advisory warning of upwards of a fifty percent false positive false negative rate What do you make of that well? It's preposterous to be pushing this and has not been fully tested before it was released and and a fifty fifty chance. You might as well just flip a coin. It is a ridiculous situation that we've been put in here now with Edmund. Actually there's almost four hundred tests that have been given this emergency use authorization by the FDA and we still don't have what we need to have which is accurate reliable Really our ability to test on the spot and do it rapidly without that by the way this is a terrible dangerous situation for the governor's To be reopening any businesses until we have actual available tests. That at the point of service can be done. It could be done rapidly. I don't WanNa take my family nor does anyone else into a restaurant if we know if we don't know whether or not the kitchen staff the service and so on are negative or positive and we need to hold up on this rush to get things open. It's too soon it's too dangerous. It's a political ploy. And it's very unsettling Ryan Susan. Page a longtime friend of this broadcast and many of us. Kimberly Atkins Atkins tweeted this today. I'm going to read it to certainly by now. Someone on the president's team has told him when the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic happened. So why the insistence on saying nineteen seventeen clearly. It's an intentional message. But I don't understand what the message is Susan. What do you think that's about? I don't have the slightest idea because we we all know that we call it. The nineteen eighteen flu pandemic. I'm he could be clear. The days was buried in grants to. But maybe we need to get Jon Meacham or Michael Beschloss to find the best indeed. I just read the entire book on the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic and search throughout for one thousand nine hundred seventeen and there. It is nine hundred eighteen right there in the title of. I can't thank you three enough for joining us after another long week that we've all experienced late on a Friday night. Susan Page Shannon Petty piece. Doctor Irwin redlener are great appreciation coming up for us. What will our new normal look like in this country? 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When you're trying to address something diss severe and this fast moving in one of these facilities. That's this week on. Why is this happening? Search for wise happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. There's never been a vaccine project anywhere in history like this and I just WanNa make something clear. It's very important vaccine or no vaccine. We're back and we're starting the process the president today continuing to insist. The American economy is reopening wallet. Corona virus vaccine is at the very least still many months away for more on this tonight. We welcome to the broadcast. Dr Lloyd Minor. He's the Dean of Stanford University School of Medicine. Dr Minor has expertise in predictive medicine. Diagnostic research also by training. He happens to be a head and neck surgeon. A member of the National Academy of Medicine. Doctor what do we do in in the face at? Here's another quote from our president of wrote this down twice today when you test you find. Something's wrong with people. Yesterday he wondered aloud. Testing may be overrated. Where should we be in your view on testing? What thank you Brian. It's good to be with you. Testing is important. It's critically important as we move towards recover restore and reopen what we know. The new normal is going to involve continuing our social distancing continuing to shelter in place areas. It still have a high incidence of infection. But increasingly as the infection rate declines will be able to gradually restore some activities gradually released some of the restrictions on on social distancing. But we're going to have to be able to test rapidly developed symptoms and if they do have the infection to make sure that they're quarantined and their contacts are traced. What if can you use all of your predictive powers and let us in on what you think Thanksgiving Christmas time? We'll be like talk about the new normal coming. In a matter of months. What is a Stanford home football game going to look like? Is the stadium going to have checkerboard? Separated seating? Will there be a crowd. Do you reckon in Stanford by this fall. I think it's unlikely that we're going to be able to have large scale gatherings of people as in large-scale football game or event that brings a lot of people in contact with each other in one location that I think is going to be longer than the fall before that's feasible. I do think that if we're able to continue to lower the incidence in across the country and we're able to scale up testing and have contact tracing that we will be able to resume some of our normal activities that will be able to be in public places probably with masking to be safe but we have to have these other elements in place before we can move forward with that plan. If and when we get a vaccine do you need closer to seven billion doses of vaccine to cover the planet with it? We're going to need a lot of doses. We know that based upon the transmission rate the infection rate of this virus that we're going to need to have immunity in a large proportion of people in an environment in order to to curtail the epidemic. We probably need to have immunity and sixty to eighty percent of people now vaccine offers a very promising way to achieve that immunity on a relatively short timescale compared to the development of immunity from other mechanisms. But until we have a vaccine on board we also need to focus on antivirals on treatment in the outpatient setting on enabling more and more people who become infected to recover safely at home. Those are areas at emphasis as well. Few places on Earth are quite as beautiful as the Stanford campus on a Beautiful Day in California. And when you walk around town when you see people who appear to be going back to pre corona virus life of people who were fighting human nature. We say it all the time. WanNa go to a Bar. Go to a restaurant go to the beach. What are your thoughts well I? I'm really pleased and proud to be a member of the Stanford community. I think we have responded very responsibly. To this crisis both in our healthcare delivery system where we provide care to people in our region and at our university and our broader community and I think that's been a main reason why although we were initial hotspot in terms of numbers of cases we've been able to curtail that and dramatically lower the number of new cases in our region but we have to continue to be vigilant and careful. It's really difficult. There's never been this degree of change and disruption in our life. Certainly in my lifetime I think in almost all of our lifetimes and I know it's difficult but it absolutely is the safest thing to do and it's the way we're gonNA protect ourselves and and broader society moving forward. It's nothing to your to your point. It's nothing less than a fight against human nature especially this time of year will. That's certainly true. It is of course possible to be outside and maintain social distancing to wear a mask were appropriate but we have to keep those things in mind we know that this is a respiratory virus. It's principally transmitted by droplets and those droplets can travel some distance. But if we maintain social distancing and look for environments where we're not in crowded a crowded in large numbers of people then we can safely enjoy some of the things that we were able to really do without thinking about it. Before Dr Lloyd Minor Dean Out of Stanford thank you very much for making time for us on a Friday night. We really appreciate it up for us. The President says he puts America first when dealing with the pandemic. But what does that mean for the rest of our world veteran diplomat. Richard Haass is with us. He'll let us in on that when we come back. These vaccine's manufacturer that we're going to be focused on and manufacturing. They're all going to be right here in the USA. Now working as I said with other people outside we know exactly where the other countries are. And we'll be very happy if they were able to do. It will help them with delivery. We'll help them with in every way we can. We have a no ego when it comes to this comforting at minimum that we know exactly where the other countries are but it was clear again today. America first is the rallying cry even when it comes to this vaccine. The botched handling of this pandemic and the nation's persistently increasing death toll prompted this scathing headline atop the very latest column from Eugene Robinson of The Washington. Post the United States as a country to be pitied. Our next guest veteran diplomat. Richard Haass writes in his new book quote. The United States cannot be an example to others around the world nor can it effectively promote order abroad if it is divided at home distracted by domestic problems and lacking in resources. We're happy to have with US tonight. Richard Haass veteran diplomat under multiple presidents. He's the longtime president of the Council on Foreign Relations and importantly the author of his latest work. The world a brief introduction Richard. Thank you for coming on good evening. Why is our friend Eugene Wrong? Or is he dead right? We'll look the reaction around the rest of the world. They look at the United States. There's a lot of head shake. This is not the United States. They thought they know or back they did. No we're not setting an example that anyone in the world wants to emulate given the periodic if you will ineptness of our response party guest inconsistency and messaging. We still don't have enough testing. The statistics about deaths are are obviously overwhelming. So in that sense in people look at us. It's not what they WANNA see. Also Brian as you know. This isn't unique. Look the dysfunctionality of politics. They fly into the country and they see the Agent tearing down of our infrastructure on and on. And there's a sense that there's something wrong with the United States that is pervasive If you go to our friends and allies in the world that's what they said. It appears that if the president can't lead on a leadership if he can't run for reelection on things like health care if he's running away from growing death toll. It looks to everybody like apparently he's going to run against. Brock Obama and against China on the ladder which gets into your forte. What's the danger of that? The century more than anything else is GONNA be framed and defined by the relationship between the United States and China the two most powerful countries the two most influential countries and to go out of our way to to pick a fight with China. Snuck there how that helps us if we need Chinese help. San Dealing with North Korea's nuclear capability dealing with climate change obviously in dealing with a pandemic stellar. China has behaved badly on this from the get-go most recently the reports that they're trying to steal American intellectual property the work we are doing on antivirals and maxine they covered op. They ALLOW PEOPLE TO ESCAPE BEHIND. So no one should be making the case for trying to here but again but we need is a foreign policy that can push back against. China where need but on the other hand still reserves the potential operate with China selectively when it is in our interest you're veteran of the State Department. How much does the State Department in the time of Richard Haass? How much of it survives today by percentage of the State Department is much diminished in quantity and quality and influence? I would think The next secretary of state one of his or her big jobs really needs to be rebuilding of the Foreign Service rebuilding on diplomatic capability for the most important tools. You've got the military tools Brian but we tend to overuse it got sanctions TASS again. We tend to overuse road. We need to strengthen America's diplomats and the bonuses. And they're they're the front line there if you will. The soldiers of American national security tool however is diplomacy negotiation consultation. And we simply don't have enough of it. I was reminded tonight that about a month ago. You wrote that the pandemic rather than reshaping the world would accelerate it Explain that and has it come true in the intervening thirty days. My argument was simply that if I looked at all the trends that existed before you and I at anyone watching this ever heard of over nineteen mood have had things like deteriorating. Us relationship we would have had a European project. The European Union that was that was moving backwards rather than forwards the rising nationalism the rise of populism. I mentioned already a North Korean nuclear program in Iran nuclear program averaging Venezuela. I could keep going. You get the idea but all of those things are still there including most of all the United States That is more distant than ever from its traditional Mantha low of of world leadership were distracted an increase in. We don't have the resources to to bring to bear on the world and that's a bad combination right now. Here we are talking tonight. You've got all the old national security Jeddah including China and Russia. Now you've got this new national security agenda by mid change pandemics. What have you all at a time? The United States our alliances or in really disrepair to trillions of dollars here at home most of our bandwidth is going to be preoccupied urine. How so we're going to have less ability and willingness to be involved in the world but anti-big big but the principal lesson of this pandemic is the world affects us fundamentally and all of that makes for a really worrisome future reputation. How do we get it back? Look reputations take a lifetime to earn and that can be lost rather quickly Personally especially in this case for the country. I think it's going to be a slower by that. I mean a slow return. It's GONNA mean economic recovery. The once again. How Positive Growth United States officials to a quarter of the world's economy? That's one thing. I think the example. We sat here at home. In terms of our politics and serves our society that will make a big difference And then it's it's what we do in the world. We once again. Have to become predictable. We'd have to come reliable friends and allies who put their security eggs are they've gotta know. That's a wise choice. They better know that. If and when push comes to shove we can be out the not so it. Means the United States needs to stop beating up on its allies. Start working with them. Rejoin some international Agreements essentially be the United States that beginning in World War. Two and for the last three quarters of a century as essentially made the world work and as a result has done things like made the world more peaceful more free and much more prosperous we once again need to become that United States are thanks to our friend. Richard Haass say thinker and writer and diplomat once again. The book is the world a brief introduction handy to have around these days when we need so many things explained Richard. Thank you very much for joining us. Great to see you again and coming up for us after. Another break is America's ninth largest city. Ready to reopen. Well it ready or not. We'll talk to the mayor. I want to make sure that we are being a good partner to the governor and to the state and making sure that we help our private business comply with the order but doing so in a way of course they prioritizes the safety of our residents. Some businesses in Texas have been open now for two weeks including restaurants. Golf courses gun ranges. The next phase begins Monday with Jim's manufacturing coming back online the reopening is moving forward despite jarring headlines. The warn the situation there remains pretty dire just yesterday. The State confirmed fifty-eight more confirmed corona dire virus deaths. That's a daily record for the state of Texas and one new study says Dallas County could see a summer surge in Cova nineteen cases for more. We are pleased to welcome to this broadcast band with a tough job. Eric Johnson is the Mayor of Dallas Texas Mr Mayor. If we were on the streets of your fine city tonight what would it? What would it seem like? What would it feel like well? I'm not on the streets right now. I'm at home. I think what you'd see is that we don't have as many people jumping back into the economy as maybe some folks might have expected just because the governor said it's okay to do so I think until we get the widespread testing and contact tracing. That's going to get people but confidence on the virus is on the decline our community. You're going to see people. Continue to trickle back in but we have not seen rush of people back into the economy yet. If you see spikes and on curious how you're going to be following data. Are you willing to take that awful decision and move to shut it down again? God forbid if we get a second wave. Texas law is very clear in an emergency such as this but Texas Disaster Act of nineteen. Seventy five gives that authority to the governor to issue orders that would trump local orders and our governor has already said that from here on out he wants these orders to come from Austin and to make them uniform across the state and he has superseded our ability to issue orders at the local level so it will come down to me most likely being able to order folks to go back home. But here's what we are doing. We're telling everyone in Dallas. We have to be smart and we have to take care of ourselves. We need to continue to wear masks to continue to social distance to continue to use good hygiene we continue to think about our loved ones in our family in our friends and our our neighbors and not engage in behavior that's put us in additional risk but ultimately the governor is going to make the decisions from here on out on what opens when when not we have a second spike or there's a spike in the summer of the. The governor's GonNa have to make some tough decisions about when we go back on. Stay at home. Let's talk about mask wearing. What have you noticed? Can you put a percentage next to how many of your residents how many of your citizens have been wearing one because this too has been caught up in red versus blue politics in these past few days in a pretty decent manner and I truly hate the fact that mass wearing has become a partisan issue? I've been crying that at every turn because I think it's common sense and it's the right thing to do is the conscientious thing to do. It's not a sign of weakness. It's not a sign of taking a political side to want to prevent the spread of this disease as much as we possibly can. So I'm all in favor of mass where. I think we should be doing that. I'm encouraging everyone to do that here. Locally and anecdotally one I do venture out of my house. I do go to city hall once a week for Council meetings. I do see people wearing masks. I can't put an exact percentage on it but I think we're getting pretty high level of voluntary compliance here in Dallas. I think people have gotten the message about flattening the curve. And they're trying to help us do that Finally Mr Mayor. Your unemployment rate locally. Anything like mirroring. The national numbers these tragic national numbers were saying we are seeing an impact here locally of Arstan staying home orders in the impact that our economy has had has been tremendous. We're expecting a twenty five million dollar shortfall in our budget this current fiscal year. Maybe four five times that much net next fiscal year so we are feeling the effects and our unemployment rate is rising but we are doing everything. We can here to advocate our partners at the federal level to get legislation. That would help us. Be Able to plug some of those holes in hopefully get some people back to work. We're trying to push at the council level. Douse I policy to be able to hire locally. Try to encourage our local businesses to do business with the city and put people back to work. So we're doing all we can but we are feeling the pain Eric. Johnson is the mayor of the city of Dallas Texas. Thank you very much mayor for spending some time with us on a Friday night. We greatly appreciate it my compliments to the artist of the artwork over your shoulder by the way thank you. That's my son William Fantastic. It takes apparent to note art work from a kid. Thank you very much coming up. Will there be any letters from camp this summer. What the pandemic is doing this summer? Plans for millions of children and they're anxious parents. Let's talk about a right of summer. A normal summer that is and that's summer camp books have been written about movies have been made full. Grown adults recall formative stories from Camp. Like they were life crucibles like they happened yesterday. 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Day 1,092: Senate begins Trump impeachment as Giuliani cohort Parnas makes new allegations

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,092: Senate begins Trump impeachment as Giuliani cohort Parnas makes new allegations

"Tonight members of the US Senate have taken a sworn oath to do impartial justice. The unusual side of the chief justice presiding it means the impeachment. Human trial is underway meantime on twitter. The leader of the most powerful nation on Earth said. I just got impeached for making a perfect phone. Call later in the day president. Trump says he's never met left Parnasse and doesn't know the guy all evidence to the contrary including the mounting photographic evidence of their time spent went together. Lev was back at tonight part two of his interview adding to the mountain of new material and by the way he says he was with trump when he ordered the firing of our ambassador Basseterre to Ukraine. Also tonight Lindsey Graham sounding very unlike the Lindsey Graham. We've come to know all of it as the eleventh hour gets underway. This Thursday night. Well good evening once again from NBC. News headquarters here in New York Day. One Thousand Thousand Nine hundred ninety two of the trump administration that means we have two hundred ninety two days to go until the twenty twenty presidential election. Donald Trump's impeachment trial is now officially underway right alongside his reelection campaign and even as we continue to sort through a mountain of new ooh potential evidence from a man initially described as a bag man for Rudy. Giuliani left Parnasse. Parnasse has been indicted in the southern outhern district of New York the feds in New York on campaign finance charges in his telling of what happened and what he was up to. What what he is describing off the book shadow foreign policy run by a former big city mayor at the direction of the trump White House? It reads if true like elements of some sort of criminal enterprise yesterday. Parnasse talk to our colleague Rachel Motto last night he described in great detail tale. How trump directed him through rudy to pressure Ukraine to open investigations on trump's political rival? Joe Biden he offered more detail l.. Just tonight in part two of the interview that goes against trump's claim that he was concerned about corruption in Ukraine Somehow Parnasse described how there were efforts to steer conversations with presidents alinsky and Ukrainian officials toward the topic of the Biden's every time somebody would means Alinsky the with Lake agree and then they will walk it back so the mountain something of corruption that he's going to be on the corruption but Giuliani blew his solidify. That saying. That's not what we discussed the wasn't supposed to be corruption. Invested announcement has to be about Joe Biden by the reason he said the name by needs to be spoken with always Parnis also straight up alleged tonight. The former secretary of Energy Rick Perry had been told by Rudy to convince against the Ukrainian government to announce an investigation into Joe Biden describes those and the president's immediate circle as a cult and he says he spent two years in Washington never left the trump hotel. He said he was with trump as we mentioned when I ordered the firing of Our Ukraine Ambassador Astor but today the president said he doesn't know and has never met this left Parnis response to whether foreigners you said that your your brain were all about twenty twenty. You just want a job. I don't know I don't know aren't as other than I guess they had pictures taken which I do thousands the people that I just. I don't know him at all. Don't know what he's about don't know where it comes from. No nothing about him they probably make a deal on it other than I guess he attended Ed fundraising. I'm in a room. I think thousands and thousands of fissures people all the time thousands I. I don't know him. Perhaps he's a fine man he's not. I know nothing about the warnings take. I don't know ooh the normally dependably trump friendly daily mail of all places took the liberty of putting together. They're a photo collage of some of the photos of the two men together and today the lawyer for Parnasse released this video of the two men together at mar-a-lago Lago back in two thousand sixteen and again Parnasse also offered up new details about what he says where the president's repeated efforts to fire are then then. US Ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich chief fired her. Probably at least to my knowledge at least four or five times to different he even had a breakdown and screamed fire. Heart's Madeleine has assistant secretary before he fired. And she said Mr President. I can't do that. He was directing directing the State Department to remove her in the State Department was refusing correct. Spoke to the president wants about that. We're twice once or twice once directly at our dinner when he fired her actually at the dinner which was the most surprising thing ever I tell me Marla basically at that dinner We had the conversation. It was like six of us. There was intimate dinner and I. It was trump hotel but it was at the Private like area. There looks like a little White House. The president was. Oh absolutely. Yeah it was. It was the president. was there his son John. Junior was there and let's back up. There was another big headline today. We learned today that the nonpartisan Partisan Government Accountability Office concluded the trump administration broke the law. When it ordered the months-long hold on that military aid? Hey the money to Ukraine approved by Congress this is an extraordinary finding by an agency like the GAO. Then there was this and let us is not forget how this day got underway for just the third time in our nation's history and impeachment trial is now underway in the. US Senate here. Here is some of what we witnessed Harry Harry. All persons are commanded to keep silent on pain of imprisonment it while the House of Representatives is exhibiting to the Senate of the United States articles of impeachment against Donald John Trump president of the United States. The managers on the part of the House will now proceed. Donald J trump president of the United States is impeached for high crimes crimes and misdemeanors. The House adopted the following resolution. which with the permission of the Senate I will read? President trump used the powers of the presidency in a manner under that compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process that presiding option will now administer the oath to John G Roberts shoot justice of the United States. Will you pay your left hand on the Bible. Raise your right hand do you solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald John Trump president of the United States. Now pending thing you will do impartial justice according to the constitution and the laws. So help you God I do. We'll all senators now stand or remain standing and raise their right hand. Do you solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment each moment of Donald John Trump president of the United States now pending you will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws. So help you God ought again. That's how this day got underway and here for our leadoff discussion on a Thursday night. Any Carney White House reporter with the New York Times Ashley Parker Pulitzer Prize winning White House reporter for the Washington Post and Shannon petty piece senior White House reporter for us at NBC. You See news digital good evening and welcome to you all anti. I'd like to move quickly to your new reporting on what was going on. Inside the White House as is that was getting underway well as that was getting underway. Donald Trump had on his schedule a public event in the Oval Office where he was supposed to be celebrating. Think announcing a new rule on prayer in schools that ended up being delayed by about an hour because John Roberts was being sworn in and the senators. We're going through this long roll. Call those take votes taking up the chirons and and we we. Donald Trump was spending his day in meetings and following along on television when he finally came out. We saw someone who tried to. WHO said basically we should? This should be a week when we're talking about my trade deals. The China a trade deal signed yesterday the USMC that passed the Senate today instead he's bogged down and what he called a hoax He's trying to dismiss say there's no story here in reality while the end result of the Senate trial most people are assuming he's going to be acquitted. There's a lot of unknowns for something where we know the end and Donald Trump is very aware of that and has been talking to allies expressing concern about his own legal team and whether they will look aggressive televised trial. He's he's concerned about. Not being able to call witnesses. Even though he's falling Mitch. McConnell's advice to keep the child short and that witnesses are only more unknowns And he's just worried in general about a Senate Republican senators not defecting. He needs only one more to say we do want to call witnesses and he's nervous about that. Happening happened and holding Republicans on his side. So there's a lot of unknowns and he feels uncertain about what's coming his way Ashley. Parker last night must not have been a great late night for team pants as left. Parnasse dropped the vice president's name like a lead balloon. Tell us about your new reporting on that front. So our new reporting sort of takes what left Parnassus said and it's worth noting. The allies of the president including White House Press Secretary Vice President. Didn't pence's chief of staff have called into question his credibility as someone who was facing criminal charges that said what he's been saying also backed up by a trove of documents and text messages suggestion calendars released by the house. We sort of when inside all of that and what we can see from. That is what starts off. As sort of an irregular shadow campaign gene to pressure Ukraine to trump's bidding and this is being spearheaded by Rudy Giuliani and left Parnasse and it's happening outside the traditional corridors in channels of government. There comes a moment when that sort of Intersex with official. US foreign policy in that moment is when president pence. Sorry President trump orders vice president pence to cancel a trip that was planning was underway for to Ukraine for presence. Alinsky is inauguration. In to be clear I've talked to senior administration. Officials who say Vice President Pence may very well not have known why his trip was being canceled. He did not know they say about any of these shadow back act channels with Giuliani and Parnasse. But when pence decides not to go to Ukraine that is the moment when the Ukrainians initially were a little skeptical of Parnasse didn't really know who he spoke on behalf of certainly didn't think he actually spoke on behalf of the president realize these people this unofficial channel is quite serious and in its official channel. And so you had Giuliani kind of overtaking in subsuming. US foreign policy and diplomacy with Ukraine and pence. Unfortunately for him is sort of in the middle of that whether or not he actually did anything wrong Shannon. We have staffers on the hill. Senior staffers at that working twelve to twenty four hour shifts wading through the parnassus material. Getting it ready for potential Senate trial. What are the Republicans you you speak to in the trump camp saying about these two elements the timing and tonnage of what Lev Parnasse has put out there well? I actually spoke to a few Republican allies of the president today and they at least on the surface so they're not too concerned about Aparna is actually they said. First of all he's Repeating what a lot of witnesses have already said they don't feel like that much is necessarily new now. The stuff about the vice vice president might be a bit new some of the things he said about repair new But they feel it's mostly in line with the narrative that is already out there and the Republicans feeling is that the narrative Out there already is not hurting the president support with Republicans and is a for the most part split fifty fifty between independence and a couple of the sort of outside advisor to the president. I spoke to today. Said they actually think they could use it to their advantage. If Love Parnes was called as a witness because they feel elect Republicans would be able to cross examine him and attack his character in a way that could potentially backfire on Democrats so bringing up the fact that he is indicted bringing we know the US His shady past which we've already seen them trying to do in their push back today and reiterating the this argument that they've made for other witnesses that he doesn't necessarily have firsthand knowledge of firsthand contact with the president though tonight. We seem to get a sense of veto him being dinners and having a bit more firsthand conduct but I don't think they think it changes the dynamics too much at least any carney join us in watching a little bit of a refresher in what has happened in the past two former members of the trump circle when he makes the decision to hit the button and distance himself from a slew of different people in his life. If it took okay I never met Putin. I don't know who put James Comey. I hardly know the man. Oh man afford worked for me for for a very short period of time Matt Whitaker Matt Whitaker worked for Jeff Sessions Michael Cohen. Tell me about your relationship with him while he was a lawyer from me for One of many have not somebody that was with me. That much shorter. Just tell you I I hardly know the gentleman. What conversations have you had with lev partis earnest and eager? Prove those gentlemen so anti Carney in plain language English. What's that about what we just witnessed that aspect of? This man's sounds personality and his being. It's about survival on the minute. Looks like Someone close to him is going to cause trouble he. He cuts them off one. It's been interesting to watch that one person. He has not pulled the I hardly know him card with ever. Even though many White House officials wish you would is Rudy Giuliani on his personal lawyer. WHO has caused him a ton of problems not just with regard to Ukraine? But you'll remember where the car to the stormy Daniels Story Rudy. He's gotten a lot of trouble and he always continues to be close to Rudy But this this is the general pattern of when someone gets in trouble with the law. WHO's close to trump trump the distances himself ashley the parnassus telling of the numerous attempts by the president to have our ambassador into Ukraine? IANOVICH fired kind of border on pathetic in the telling of left Parnis. Why do you think there were repeated? Attempts by the guy at the top of the administration that were unsuccessful. Why was he rebuffed in his efforts? Having made the decision that she had to go well I think he was rebuffed because a number of people in his administration including some who recently went up on Capitol Capitol Hill and testified under oath about. This felt that this was a very bad. If not dangerous and problematic idea so that's one of the reasons he was functionally only rebuffed but in left parties retelling it was also a very interesting inadvertent window into just how this administration functions and operates generally when you look at some some of the people who said trump told to fire the ambassador. He's not necessarily going to the State Department. He's turning into do his personal assistant a young woman in her twenty s and telling her to fire Yvonna Vich. He's turned into a White House. Mid Level White House political critical aid at a dinner at the trump hotel and telling him to fire. You have on a veteran. That's not how things traditionally working government in these people who spend a lot of time on the president sort of understand. He says thinks he's angry. He's frustrated and sometimes their job is to sort of ignore him. Placate him put off the decision. Diffuse the situation and hope Hope that it ultimately goes away in this case shale timidly was recalled and Shannon a critical question that speaks to the people use spoke to today in in your reporting is the thinking inside the White House inside the trump circle migrating from not if there will be witnesses but which witnesses who will be called I think it is privately which witnesses will be called. I think there is an increasing certainty. That there we'll be a vote on witnesses and I think it's probably split fifty fifty whether or not those witnesses are called so while the White House is trying to portray this public image that they don't think there will be witnesses. Certainly their allies in the Senate are preparing for witnesses and trying to think of who who will be called and how. They're going to manage that if it was a long day for us here. I know it was a long day for the three of you. Great thanks to the three of you for joining us this late at night to any carney to Ashley Parker to Shannon Petty piece coming up for us the president tries to keep a nation focused on his reelection and not his impeachment trial in the Senate and later accused Felon love. said he should be the Senate's number one witness but is there proof for all the things he's saying and for that matter again. What about with us the eleventh hour just getting underway on this Thursday night? Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard to keep get more exercise. Save more money. Here's a resolution that's easy to keep don't waste time going to the post office US STAMPS DOT COM instead stamps dot com brings all the services of the post office to you plus stamps dot com. Gives you something you can't get at the post office big discounts on postage like five cents off every first class stamp and up to forty percents off priority mail print official. 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What can the lessons of past impeachments teach us about the future of this process? I answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment search now our wherever you're listening and subscribe. Thanks for listening. A Republican senator from Arizona was having having none of it when CNN's veteran Capitol Hill reporter mono rows you approached her for comment shortly before the impeachment got underway on Capitol Hill. The Senate consider new. Evidence is part of the impeachment. Trial here liberal hack. I'm not talking to you. You're not gonNA comment. I'm a Senator Senator Martha mcsally of Arizona and soon after that abrupt exchange the trump war room posted it its own video of the encounter with a caption that read quote. Three cheers for Senator Martha Mc Sally. This is how you handle fake news news CNN. Donate to Martha now. They are using her remark as a fundraising vehicle for a reason back home in Arizona her a challenger for Senate the former astronaut mark. Kelly has thirteen million dollars in the bank. Mc Sally is far behind with seven million last hour mcq. Sally appeared on Fox News. Do you regret what you said. No Laura I do and I said it again actually. Actually I went in. I said you're a liberal Hag Buddy you know I mean these these CNN reporters but many of them around the capital They are so biased. they are so in cahoots with the Democrats. They can't stand the president and they run around trying to chase the Republicans as trapping questions with with us for more tonight is Tamra Keith. White House correspondent for NPR. Timur first off here mono is one of those few reporters who is well. Well liked by. I guess we can exclude the Arizona senator but well liked by the vast majority of people on the hill who served their and cover the news their second for a senator who wants marketed herself as a moderate Republican as a kind of cautious conservative. -servative this is a new look and I guess she's taking the chance that this will sell back in Arizona. Well Mani Roger who had something of a hallway in the capital bromance with John McCain. And so it's quite a turn for Martha mcsally the senator from Arizona and talk to Raja in that way. But here's the thing not only. is she looking at a general election in Arizona but I there could could be a primary. She doesn't have a challenger yet or serious one but the filing deadline isn't until May and so for a lot of these Republicans who are running for re election election in two thousand twenty there. Is this very big question of how do you deal with President Trump and the impeachment times particularly perilous for them but most have determined that putting space between yourself and a very popular president in the Republican Party. Doesn't really help your reelection chances Tell us about your current understanding of the current trump campaign. Plan to deal with the rare confluence of a re-election campaign during the impeachment trial what what is their plan their plan is to be a rapid response team for the president. The United States is he faces impeachment at the same time that this impeachment trial is happening. There are primaries caucuses coming in Iowa and primary coming in New Hampshire. The campaign is going to be in both of those states with a really big presence and really what they they are saying saying is they've been doing rapid response and crisis communications. Essentially I three years three plus years and so you know for President President Trump. He has a very well funded organization outside organization his campaign that can amplify his message can push its own message can run an ad during the super bowl. That could if the trial goes more than the two weeks that the White House wants could well be an ad that is played eight in the middle of impeachment and by going to Iowa and New Hampshire on the eve of Democratic primaries. He will get media time and attention attention and kind of a platform for his views. Well and something that you know well is that all of the political reporters in the universe are going to be an Iowa. Right before the caucuses and then New Hampshire right before the primary and so here you have the president of the United States coming in and consuming a little bit of that auction oxygen counter programming and the campaign also sees this as an opportunity to sort of practice in do dress rehearsal on Bass Mobilization Timor case the reporter and the voice behind in the same town where Keith we know from NPR. It's always a pleasure having you. Thank you so much great to be with you coming up for more new allegations from the man and the President says he does not know when we come back. Here's the man of the hour. During part two of his interview with Rachel Maddow Tonight Love Parnasse revealed that he was urged not to cooperate with the the impeachment investigation on Capitol Hill. You got a request from Congress to come to you for you mister fromm into come testified investigations. You were inclined to say yes absolutely. I have nothing to hide. Would not doing anything illegal on your lawyer. John Dowd however advise you not to cooperate and said the president would give you cover for not cooperating. What was a little bit more Gordon that it was I was brought into John House. And we he he got Jay seculow on the phone and also wrote the and Victoria's and then basically they came up with the situation that said that because I worked for Rudy and because worked for Victoria and because we work for the president we have three way privilege and basically patsick alone was going to be writing a letter to Congress telling him to that nobis cooperating and that would protect us under the same order and he followed up with that again. This was the president of the United States. So I mean I thought okay I said this is all the information I have. I did my duty. I gave him whatever paperwork ahead. That's a lot right there and without delay let's bring in Barbara mcquade veteran federal prosecutor former. US Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan Barbara. Let's start right there. Is that what he just described at all part of the normal normal legal world there actually is some validity to what he's saying there. Imagine if your lawyer has secretary secretary or a paralegal who works for him that person would fall under the realm of the attorney client privilege just as much as lawyer would so if left partners was working as an assistant assistant to Rudy Giuliani as a translator. Whatever he was he could be part of president? Trump's legal team. Now that's one thing the other is to then say we're all going to to assert privilege. Nobody's going to talk. That's a different thing. Because he has a right to his own counsel here into his own independent legal advice. What's best for president trump and is not necessarily what is best for left parties and so if his lawyer is giving him advice that's not in his best interest and that is unethical on the part of of the lawyer? And I need your help in how we should view this. We've had the better part of two hours of love gripping television over two nights with with Rachel and I hear proper names and titles flying out of this I hear mentions of the president. The Vice President Cabinet officials with someone under indictment who is in the hands of the feds. Do you take what he's saying and put it into different buckets. provable with evidence unprovable provable and is there any rule that people with nothing to lose make effective witnesses or does it cut both ways so someone like love is actually not unusual in the criminal justice system. You get people who come in who say they want to cooperate and they give you all kinds of information that it sounds potentially valuable but you really have to work to pin it down because as you suggest Brian. The there is some potential bias here if he is seeking to get a deal deal with the southern district of New York to reduce his own sentence than perhaps he feels some incentive to fabricate extraordinary information that could be perceived as very valuable. I don't know that I would call him as a witness. At least not at this point but I would consider him to be very valuable for lead purposes. He provides a lot of information about about conversations with Rick. Perry Rudy Giuliani. He suggests that there was an additional quid. Pro Quo here to get to Mitri for Taj off in in exchange for a part of this deal that he is someone who's been under indictment by the Justice Department for bribery and faces extradition so he offers an awful awful lot of information. But when you ask them about how he knows it he says things like everyone was in the loop he does. You can't really pin him down or at least we haven't yet heard him pinned down on. Tell me who told you this. When did it happen where were you? What documents do you have to support other people who were present? Who could confirm the? This also occurred. So I'd WANNA spend a few days with him to try to pin down all of those things and it may be that would use those other people as witnesses and not left parnes himself and and finally the title you once held which we throw around in some form or fashion on this broadcast every night. United States attorney. That's a presidential appointment. Put yourself in your old job if you were. US Attorney and this guy whose investigation is part of your purview shows up for two nights on MSNBC and then other interviews. What are you feeling? I feeling that he is likely desperate. Desperate for attention. I don't know what the Southern District of New York has told them about. Whether he is a cooperator I worry about his ability to keep his story straight but it is also sort of the ultimate crucible if he can go on national television over multiple nights until a consistent story that is consistent with what he's telling me. That does tend to corroborate him. I think that most. US Attorneys and lawyers are very reluctant to see people talk publicly this way but in some ways it's sort of bolsters his credibility that ladies and gentlemen is why we always ask to talk to former. US Attorney Barbara mcquade Barbara. Thanks as always coming up for us. A new book calls it a marriage of money and power there are new revelations about the trumps and the Kushner's which will get to when we come back a new book coming out is reporting that your grandfather lied on his immigration form. Use a different name. took the name Kushner to come in. Does that make you more sympathetic to immigrants who are facing acing immigration violations. Now Look I have my personal opinions. My personal sympathies but I work for the president of the United States. And you know my job is to When and he asked my advice on things give him my advice but then when the president makes a decision my job is to help them execute that decision its voice we seldom here? He may be the most powerful man Dan whose voice Americans would not recognize time. Magazine sat down with Jared Kushner for a rare interview just as his father-in-law's impeachment trial is about to get underway. The new book. They're talking about right. There is American oligarchs the Kushner's the trumps and the marriage bridge of money and power. Its author is with US tonight. Andrea Bernstein a veteran journalist and co host of the podcast conveniently trump INC produced used by. WNYC public radio here in New York. It's so interesting that that puts the story in this book into circulation and tell the immigration story of the Kushner's why it's Germane to who he's become and would he ever have been the organic choice for a job search for the role he's end. Were it not for marrying the president's daughter so questions there and then you break that down. So Jared Kushner's grandparents were Holocaust survivors and and they survived. Nazi Germany's living some of the time. In the forest in Poland camping out hiding from the Nazis after the war they fled fled the Soviet Union which was then and ended up in Italy and displaced persons. Camp could not get visa to the United States or anywhere they were stuck stateless weightless so they struck upon this idea. Where Jared Kushner's grandfather would take on his father in law's name? He was born Yussel Berkowitz and he changed his name to Joe Kushner and as such taking on the role of his father in Law's son he and his family were able to emigrate to America. And why is that Jermaine on the topic of immigration to what jared Kushner has become it's Germane because I mean I don't. I don't think there's anybody that wouldn't be sympathetic to them. They lost everything in the cost. They had no property no documents. Nothing and they had nowhere to go why it's Germane is because they did did what they had to do. For their family. To survive and thrive their grandson ended up one of the most powerful people in the United States in an administration where immigration is now being restricted and refugee quotas being restricted to historic lows. How unlikely or likely the in life is the one? Jared Kushner has such incredible proximity to the president of the United States and incredible edible power a lot of which has been heretofore undocumented right. I think that he is someone when you think about who has survived so many people Kelly Kelly Priebus Bannon Mattis. The list goes on and on McMaster. Flynn Jared Kushner has survived all these people because he has an incredibly loyal to his own family but also to his father in law's family. We have called you here before as an expert witness on Donald Trump because of your years in media in New York given that given your understanding and deconstruction of him. How is he likely to react in real time? Were just getting getting underway in the Senate trial next Tuesday but what I can see in my book from looking at Donald Trump is. He has a history of evading legal consequences. Whether it it'd be cajoling prosecutors or charming. FBI Asians or giving donations to the favorite causes of District Attorney's he escapes escapes legal consequences again and again as has his family and we see for example. Muller testified it was kind of a dud the very next day president president trump called the cranium president and said do us a favor though he is emboldened by not having consequences. I think there's a real question about what happens to the republic if he's acquitted and believes he simply cannot be held to account in any forum. The word the term oligarchs in in my view did not originate in our home language. It is a notion that we learned about the people were called overseas. It is now more and more being applied here in this country is it's something that really came to the fore with the arrival of Donald. I'm trump and the business-minded well it's really been decades in the making because we in this country have made decisions to collectively to allow more and and more money into politics and each time you allow more money into politics you create a system where the wealthy can tilt the democracy towards their direction. It's we it with trump every day. Wealthy people patronize his hotels. They go to his golf courses. They pay him in some way and he gives them a favor and that kind of the system is an oligarchy system. And it's where we are headed if there's some serious reckoning about the restrictions and disclosures and transparency we have about about who is able to contribute to the president. And let's go ahead and say it without using to broader brush the Harvard Business School crowd of hyper educated rather rather ernest culturally. Moderate Republicans. Time and time again goes with this guy because it's good for business right absolutely. He's making them money money. And as a result they are giving him money and he has a record breaking campaign coffers and that's just him that's just Donald Trump but doesn't count all the packs and the Republican Party committees that are supporting him on behalf of all of your listeners. Thank you for coming again with the book. Andrea Bernstein is the author it is called American oligarchs the Kushner's the trumps and the power of money. A marriage of money and power. Let's get it right. It's is just on the market so there's plenty of time to rack up at standing on Amazon coming up the latest Democratic candidate to work his way into the president's mind and and thoughts when we come back. Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day a onslaught of news and take our broader. Look the issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is this happening? Were exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is climate change will be to the twentieth century. What modernity was to the nineteenth century? It'll be the central subject of questions about economic justice. Everything you care about when the world will be affected by climate and digging deep with guests uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you get your podcasts was truly truly an outstanding example? His endorsement of Bloomberg Got Bloomberg elected. At first. It may seem out out of place for the president to bring up Michael Bloomberg at a religious freedom event today but according to The New York Times quote the president himself has been closely watching Bloomberg unnerved by his campaign spending and then there's his suggestion that he may spend one billion of his own fortune opposing Mr trump even if he does not emerge as he's the nominee one of our favorite guests here with us tonight to talk about it Mara Gaye importantly former New York City Hall Bureau Chief at The Wall Street Journal. Now a member of the New York Times editorial board. They will announce their endorsement for the Democratic nomination. On Sunday we'll get it out of her tonight. Doubt Mara. You've already got a billionaire in the race. Tom Steyer has the plaid tie the needlepoint belt. That's all done. Second billionaire enters the race. Why would trump be so interested interested in Mike Bloomberg? Oh my goodness this is. They're both New Yorkers. Let's start there. I'm so donald trump is somebody who grew up in Queens always wanting to be a member of New York's inner sanctum high-society in that social world was never quite accepted even when he got rich while he was born rich but when he got richer he's still wasn't ever accepted in the in the society that Bloomberg plays in and I think this has just stick in his craw so much that the former mayor has decided at the last minute to jump into this race along with all of his money and and I think honestly Michael Bloomberg is actually the self made billionaire that Donald Trump pretends to be and so I think it's. It's gotta be quite quite unnerving for sure so this is this is kind of I think a what we called mind games in politics. Let's talk about what's going on in the Democratic Party hardy what we saw transpire onstage and moines was it was a two nights ago or a year ago. Now and the calls for a ceasefire fire between Bernie Forces Elizabeth Warren Forces. This goes back to a deeply held. Fear that things like a fight on the far left and impurity testing at all these events would open a path big enough to drive a truck through or in this case big enough to drive Joe Biden through. It was hard to watch approach for me. I have to say I think a lot of American voters especially Democrats really want the candidates to put the infighting aside they'd normally on primary. It's it's quite normal right as we know you've covered many campaigns. It's a normal thing to go after your opponent and primary. The problem is this isn't a normal election. It's not a normal time. And the differences between the Democrats are miniscule compared to the differences between Donald Trump and the democratic view and vision for what this country should be and I think the focus really does need to be for Democrats on talking about what trump has done wrong what they can offer the country instead and frankly finding as many voters to turn out to the polls as they can and this is a sideshow now that is going to turn people off and keep them at home and not at the polls and it's just it's really bad for the country given your status us as a member of the New York Times editorial board you may know this is coming. I'll raise the name. Peter Hamby Peter. Hamby is a veteran journalist. I I I came to be aware of him when he was with. CNN He is with Vanity Fair and he works at snapchat and he writes editorial L. and board endorsements mostly left leaning only fuel bad faith attacks on the biased media and confused modern readers leaders on what the press does and is supposed to do. It's not nineteen fifty seven communities no longer look to editorial boards to tell them how to think how vote Mara Gaye. That is a shot across your editorial bowel. How do you defend your profession? Yeah I would say hey that we've learned over the past several years. That information is not the same thing as knowledge and I think there's absolutely a huge value in in having a newspaper and journalists everywhere who are trained at what they do and looking out for the public interest to ask questions tough questions of candidates and I think it's really important to just understand that what we do we do in the service of readers and in the service of voters. We don't do it in the service service of candidates and so. I think that's the message that that would really like to stand in. There is value in that. And as soon as you say that I should remind our reviewers that the New York Times endorsement comes out in the Sunday paper on the web. I guess late Saturday night. It'll actually be well. You can and stay tuned to our television. Show the weekly which premieres fax ten PM. Thank you thank you for pleasure. As you're coming up for US comments from Lindsey Graham. That don't sound like the Lindsey Graham. We've come to know last thing before we go here tonight. Here's the headline Lindsey Graham coming out in favor of calling witnesses during the impeachment trial but don't take our word for it here era Senator Graham making the case witnesses in his own words. Why do you need a witness? The whole point that we're trying to make is that in every retrial the that there's ever been in the Senate regarding impeachment. Witnesses were called the big problem. I have if we don't get to call meaningful witnesses. Direct witnesses to the point is that you're basically changing impeachment. Impeachment in the House is not the trial you can have three days of lawyers talking to each other. Her on both sides sixteen hours questions and basically bore everybody to death. Talk everybody to death but when you have a witness who was there who was engaged aged in it who was in the middle of it telling you about what they were doing and why is a totally different case. And it's the difference between getting the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth uh-huh oh that they're explains what was going on. That was nine thousand. Nine hundred ninety nine Lindsey Graham when he was impeachment manager in the Clinton impeachment. But we're here to assure everybody nothing's happened to Senator Grammy's finest back to normal. This was him tonight on Fox News. If you want a witness then do what Ted Cruz says. Everybody gets witnesses. 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Day 1,048: Trump blasts impeachment at NATO on the eve of new Hill hearings

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

45:46 min | 11 months ago

Day 1,048: Trump blasts impeachment at NATO on the eve of new Hill hearings

"Tonight the House Intel Committee opens up their books. They've put out a three hundred page report. That is direct and damning and flat out says our president placed his own personal and political interests above the national interests of the United States. Then they named names other than trump all of them big names with a lot to lose news and there are phone records. They linked trump's guy rudy. Giuliani the White House budget office. And they link Devon Nunez with Rudy's guy left harness and may soon be working for the feds all of this on the eve the next wave of impeachment hearings. Donald Trump is in London. Camera harasses this is on the race. We have it all covered as the eleventh hour gets underway. This Tuesday night. Well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day. One Thousand Forty eight of the trump administration and tonight as expected the house. Intelligence Committee has indeed voted to move. The impeachment case along to its next step was a straight up party line. Vote Thirteen to nine and with it comes. Say Rather withering three hundred page report. That methodically accuses the president of the United States of wrongdoing and dealings with Ukraine. Now our our attention becomes focused on the house. Judiciary Committee the one chaired by Jerry. Nadler Democrat of New York which is holding its first impeachment hearing mere hours from from now at ten. AM judiciary will use the report to draft articles of impeachment details of the Intel committees findings. Were released publicly today. The report is is based on the ten week investigation triggered by that whistle blower complaint. Let's not forget that was concerning trump's July twenty fifth phone call with the new president of Ukraine laid out and rather plain and direct wording the impeachment investigators found that Donald Trump and we quote here personally and an acting through agents within and outside of the US government solicited the interference of a foreign government Ukraine benefit his reelection and to harm the election prospects of a political rival. They go on. The president placed his own personal and political interests above the national interests of the United States sought to undermine the integrity of the US presidential election process and endangered US national security. Investigators say the Vice President Secretary various state the Acting Chief of Staff Secretary of Energy and other senior officials quote were either knowledgeable of or active participants in in an effort to extract from a foreign nation. The personal political benefits sought by the president. The report accuses the president of quote an unprecedented ended campaign of obstruction. Adding the evidence of the president's misconduct is overwhelming and so two is the evidence of his obstruction of of Congress today. Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff offered his assessment. This is not about Ukraine. This is about our democracy. This is about our national security. And if we don't care about this we can. Dr Welby assured the president will be back at it doing this all over again this report. Biggest revelation phone records obtained by House. Democrats we didn't know about those before they list. A flurry of calls involving Giuliani has indicted business associated left Parnis and Devon Nunez the top Republican on the Intel Committee who clashed as you'll recall repeatedly heatedly with the Democrats during last month's public hearings. The cause include several made on April twenty fourth same day as the US ambassador to Ukraine Crane. Marie Ivanovich was were called. Giuliani called the White House. Seven different times and had nearly nine minutes worth of conversation with a conspicuously unidentified phone number that same day someone from the Office of Management and budget called Rudy. Three times the last call resulting in nearly fifteen minute conversation. The report also reveals multiple phone calls between Devon Nunez Parnassus on April twelfth. There were four phone calls between the two including one that lasted nearly nine minutes. Nunez himself was asked about all that tonight on Fox News. Maybe they have the recordings mornings of my phone calls with Rudy Giuliani. They're welcome to plan. Because everything I spoke with Rudy Giuliani about is nothing that I wouldn't care if the American people found out to this guy I less partners or whatever his name is you know it's possible but I haven't gone through all my phone records. I don't really recall that name. I remember they named Ain't now because he's been indicted. I'll go back and check my records but it seems very unlikely that I would be taking calls from random people just a short time ago on this network. Intel Committee Chairman's shift discussed the calls revealed in this report. These phone records show just the kind of interaction interaction between these different players in the midst of this scheme. We're trying to identify the full scope of those who were complicit and what the president was doing and these records give a window of insight into exactly that as we were watching Devon Nunez in the hearings he knew do that you had obtained phone records that included him and that those phone records would inevitably be be made public by your report. Well he certainly had possession of the records now how much. He looked into them how much he discussed what they showed with his staff. I really I can't say you would have to ask him. The Democrats impeachment report here also notes that Mister Peres appears to be in communication with Congress and thus anyone who dealt with could be in trouble quote. Mr Parnell has begun rolling production of certain records in his possession. Custody or control in response to the subpoena which the committees are evaluating. There's also this about trump's pressure campaign to have Ukraine to make specific statement regarding investigations into the Biden's the report includes an expert of a draft statement sent from Ukrainian officials to then Special Jon. voight Kurt Volker August twelve the next day volker sent a revised version of the draft to EU ambassador. Gordon Sunlen which included it an added promise to investigate burris Ma and the 2016 US elections the statement was never delivered publicly. This is all unfolding during the president's residents London visit for this week's NATO summit meeting tonight trump and other leaders joined the Queen at a reception at Buckingham Palace but earlier in the day a and in traditional form the president had plenty to say about what was going on back home. I think it's very unpatriotic of the Democrats regress to put on a performance. Where they do that I do I think it? I think it's a bad thing for our country. Impeachment wasn't supposed to be used that way. What do you have to do is read the transcripts you see there was absolutely nothing wrong? Legal scholars looking at the transcripts the other day and they say these are absolutely perfect. Trump is it uses the word those concept those those calls that we've made two of them were absolutely perfect calls since the impeachment when you think about the unacceptable. I did nothing wrong. Why aren't you the Secretary of State or the Acting White House Chief of staff to capsules? Yeah I'd like them to. These are very unfair hearings. I want them to testify to testify in the Senate with they'll get a fair which brings us to our leadoff discussion on a busy Tuesday night with us from London and traveling but the President Shannon Petty Pisa Veteran Journalists Senior White House reporter for NBC News Digital here with us in New York Mile Wiley former assistant. US Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Now with the new school here in New York and Lonnie Chen back with US research fellow. Hello at the Hoover Institution former presidential campaign advisor to both Marco Rubio and Mitt Romney. Good evening and welcome to all of you Counselor My. I'd like liked to begin with you. I heard a lawyer on cable tonight. Say This is much more direct and serious and damming and specific than any similar Muller Document and all previous impeachments of Johnson Nixon. And Clinton in your reading of this did they make the case. Will the the American people agree. They made the case. How many of the American people are going to read all three hundred pages? Well number one. They not not only made the case it reading. It was like seeing a flood of evidence and having read it after reading the Republican an version of a report. On the pre buttle they didn't even have a sandbag to hold back the waters that are in this report. And let me just. You actually already identified some of the key points but this is this is really laying out a play in three acts if what they can due to your question about whether people will pay attention to really not three hundred pages. You could boil it down to twenty pretty easily. They laid out a very clear. Your timeline which is helpful. But it's really three acts. One is the direct involvement of the president in setting up the drug deal. The Second Act is is the preparation is bringing home the drug deal and then the third act is getting caught in the drug deal. And once you do that you can pinpoint in point the specific points that are very clear. Very simple in the report documented with evidence that shows Donald Trump's direct involvement. You pointed to one of the most damning which is the exchange of the statement that the Ukrainians are supposed to make one of the very specific. Perfect pieces of evidence in the report is on August ninth the day before that exchange of the actual text of what the Ukrainians were supposed to say there. Our calls from Rudy Giuliani and sandline. sunlen makes two calls to the White House after those two calls totaling twenty minutes to the White House he then text Kurt Volker and says police really wants the deliverable which he said in testimony meant the announcement of those investigations that is Donald trump directing and that is hard evidence and there has been no rebuttal. It'll to that Shannon. Thank you so much for getting up way too early to talk to us on live television tonight our time morning your time is there any way to measure. Was this worse than what was expected. If for no other reason the presence of these phone logs which are very hard to explain lying away as Maya noted. I think that is a new twist that the White House and the president's advisors weren't necessarily expecting because I I will note The White House has really been the dark on this process. Because they've not really been cooperating. They refuse to participate in this event. So that means they're lawyers don't have access to what the witnesses are handing-over or these committees might have so that could come as a surprise The idea that the president's personal lawyer who the president has repeatedly said it's his personal lawyer. The White House has referred to him as an individual citizen is calling the situation room five times as you noted this call to this negative one number. Who Don't know who that belongs to but I will point out that other people I have seen have noted that that negative one number also came up in the Roger Stone? Trial when when Roger Stone with having conversations with the president so we don't know definitively that but that implication is out there And we had seen the poll numbers number starting to serve trend down a bit when it came to support for impeachment particularly among Independence now that seemed to boost a little bit in the past week or so after these public hearing so of course we have to watch for is with this sort of new. It's really sort of a turn of the screw even though this is a big report and very definitive sort of one more step along this process to to see what happens then of course the president has had an opportunity overseas to sidestep. This is to appear president busy being presidential and working on behalf of the American people but of course he hasn't been able to help himself but to wade back into this muck of impeachment while he's here here when he gets asked about it by reporters and I don't think that's going to be any different today. He has a press conference later today. My time tomorrow your time. Well he'll certainly be asked about this and have an opportunity to to really go back at it if he wants to. Democrats and now to the brave lifelong Republican sitting in our midst of Lonnie me. I want to read you this from David. Fromm on social media tonight smoking gun. Showing text of draft statement without Barista in two thousand sixteen elections and then updated text including those words Lonnie few had to prove it. Could you prove that. That's demand could you prove that that is indeed data quid pro quo or as David calls at a smoking gun. Yeah I mean precisely to Shannon's point because the White House hasn't been participating in the process. You end up with disclosures like this as well as the phone records which presents another layer of difficulty. Now I don't think it's going to impact how Republicans respond to this in general on Capitol L. Hill in the media sort of folks who are in Republican circles by and large. I think the response is GONNA remain the same which is that regardless of. How do you feel about what may have happened? Those things do not rise to an impeachable offense that is the defense. We have repeatedly heard in addition to some discussion of of things that didn't happen like Ukraine meddling in the two thousand sixteen election. Put that aside for a moment with respect to how Republicans respond now it seems increasingly. You're hearing hearing well yes there stuff here potentially but it does not rise to that level and therefore this is something for the political process of elections not for the political process of impeachment impeachment. Maya five floors north of us here our friends at SNL referred to Lebanon Gore as the two Shrek. So let's take it as a lev- Shrek number one and he may be cooperating. He may very well be talking about everything he picked up your nose to the feds. What does that mean gene for the jeopardy? The President May in saying maybe say. Nothing of Rudolph Giuliani. Well certainly would often on. You should be very concerned there. There is some peril to the president. I let's say we don't know because one where we let love one. He wants unity to he is indicted sighted and while there is an agreement to share documents the US Attorney's office is still gathering more evidence. And you know he's he's got definitely some self interest we have to see what he has and we may not because it will be governed by protective order. So there's a lot of complicated stuff happening right now around this but I think as the phone logs showed and as you know Parnis has made public statements he had a very lengthy interview in In The New Yorker With Adam and to use where he really lays out all of his access to Donald trump is planting the seeds in April with Donald Trump about Maria von Vich and how she was bad news you know his pairing and connecting Rudy Giuliani and then him serving a translator role he has placed himself himself directly in an engagement that includes conversations with the president. So who knows what I would say is in a way based on everything we're seeing it's it's gravy but we already had the Turkey and the Turkey was pretty damn noise Shannon beyond cool it would be to tell somebody to call Oh you and then casually repeat that your number is negative one. We'll try to get past that Frank Figliuzzi earlier on this network said that with a little convincing this could would begin to shape up like a Rico case there are a lot of names and if not names titles in this at least one of them. The acting eighteen chief of staff on the trip with the president trying to talk to the members of NATO. The president has complained early and often that this is coming out while Al.. He's traveling overseas. But this kind of thing can just subsume the other news on an overseas trip as you noted certainly and this was an opportunity and I know White House advisers had been looking forward to this opportunity to show the president engaged in substantive issues talking about trade Iran Syria Russia national security. Big Picture issues to again look like a president hard at work that was the strategy that was very affective for Bill Clinton. They sent him out across the country When he was asked about impeachment he did of course weigh in on it and several key moments but for the most part he he would just say you know? I am focused on bigger issues here. Nancy Pelosi she was recently in Madrid when she was asked about impeachment. She used that as an opportunity to say I'm overseas. I'm focused on other things. I WanNa talk about impeachment This president spent about two hours yesterday talking to reporters. He did talk about a number of issues but when asked about it he went right into it. calling Adam Schiff a maniac Calling him a sick person Repeating again that this is an entire folks and you have to think this report coming out as he is sitting down with world leaders today a number of them have official NATO summits. What must it say to them as well that even if this is an impeachable these type of actions the president's been engaged in and Lonnie Beck in this country? I want to show our viewers ear former boss who went there today on the subject of Russian meddling in our elections. I saw no evidence from our intelligence legis community nor from the representatives today the Department of State that there is any evidence of any kind that suggests that Ukraine interfered in our elections. We have of ample evidence that Russia interfered in our elections. So the question is about your former boss. Is that what Republican sounds like. And if that's true why is John. No relation Kennedy using the Russian talking points well you know I think for a lot of Republicans it with Donald Trump. It's all or nothing and it is unacceptable to soon not express the point of view that Ukraine meddle in the election. Even though the intelligence services Senator Romney said clearly do not demonstrate that that happened in in fact we know factually the Russians did and I think you know look senator. Romney is going to say exactly what it is. That is truthful about the situation. He is not afraid to do that. That he's in a different position though potentially from other senators who may not have the political attitude that he does not to justify. Say That that's right or wrong simply saying that you've got different. The people in different positions but with respect to Senator Romney you can always expect him to say exactly what it is. That's on his mind and exactly what it is in. This case is clear. Evidence that that the Russians interfered not the Ukrainians. It's very important statement. Though because it gives other Republicans potentially some cover to come out and say okay look this notion that the Ukrainians were involved involving the election is just ludicrous. We we shouldn't go there whether we wanted to send. The president is one thing but talking about something. That didn't happen yet. Another much obliged to our big three on a Tuesday night. Hi Shannon petty piece from Faraway London Lonnie Chan Mile widely. Thanks to the three of you. Greatly appreciate it coming up the house. Democrats impeachment report. Mentions him five hundred twenty five times. That can't be good for Rudy. Giuliani and later. The president bids sarcastic farewell to another former. Democratic presidential. Presidential candidate perhaps not expecting the response. He got from her right away. The eleventh hour just getting started on yet another consequential Tuesday night. Everyone Steve Kornacki here. We have heard explosive testimony from key witnesses in the public impeachment hearings. So what's next. As the case for impeachment Ben made could the President Count on Republicans support in a Senate trial. And how could it affect the twenty twenty election. Will every Monday Wednesday and Friday I talked to NBC News reporters to answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment it's NBC News. PODCAST host. We break down what matters what's next and what it means for our country search now wherever you're listening to this podcast to subscribe for free. Thanks for listening it so I decided Sharon I'm not GonNa go to the Ukraine. You'RE NOT GONNA go. I'm not going to go because I think I'm walking into a group of people that are enemies of the president. The day before announcing his Ukraine trip was off. Giuliani told the New York. Times back on May ninth. He was headed to Ukraine to to push for investigations. That would help. Trump Giuliani said at the time quote. We're not meddling in an election where meddling in an investigation which we have a right to do. Giuliani is now of course central figure in all of this and today a new report in the Atlantic details what then president elect of Ukraine was thinking when he learned Giuliani wanted to meet with him in May Franklin four rights quotes Alinsky found the mayor's relationship with the president maddeningly on clear was Giuliani unofficial representative of the trump administration or a freelance operator. Did Zelinski have a diplomatic obligation to meet with him. And why did Giuliani want to call a so much trouble for a presidency. That hadn't even begun so Linski seemed to sense Giuliani's capacity for troublemaking with us for more of the aforementioned Franklin former staff writer for the Atlantic and happens to be the author of this article. Frank thank you very much for coming on. Ah how how involved was rudy. And is there a Tom Hagen. Moment where the president elect puts together. Are these two guys Levin Ebor and Rudy and thinks Oh my goodness this guy has just one client. He reports tobacco. Oh I think the Lansky as he was coming into office didn't know that much about Giuliani. He didn't understand what capacity he was descending sending on Kievan but he knew that he was causing trouble. Everybody around the landscape told him that. You don't want to get involved with this guy if you can't help it because you don't want Ukraine to become a politicized issue one of the great advantages. That Ukraine has had is that it's had bipartisan support. as it's fought a war against Russia but I think they also felt that they were totally cornered by Giuliani. Here he was coming. And it was was almost an accident that they avoided this I trap of having to meet with them in the transition period. Were not for that New York Times article which which leaked his visit and put pressure on Guiliani not to go. There would have been this collision much earlier on the call. Records are fascinating. They are rather their indelible. You don't forget them once you've looked through them and then one name in particular sticks out that's the office of Management and budget explain to viewers why it's so notable that he was in touch allegedly with them right so in the impeachment proceedings. There is still this one gap gap in the evidence. which is that? We know that there was this quid pro quo that they were asking for the investigation. We knew we know that the military aid was on hold old. But we don't have that that one last link other than Gordon Silence testimony that show is that the the president was was rendering the aid conditional on as the lansky announcing an investigation into Barack Obama and into the twenty sixteen election now. Giuliani is the mastermind of this operation. He is the OPS guy. He's running around the bureaucracy. The call log show that he's he's He's all over the place he's talking to Pompeo he's talking to Bolton and indeed he's talking to the Office of Management and Budget and he's talking to them at a very sensitive Steve moment because he's really turning the screws on the Ukrainian at that moment he's just met with the land skis right hand guy undergill. Forgive your Mac in Madrid They have a draft statement that they're trying to get out that that has what they call the deliverables and so if Giuliani is turning the screws by also checking in with the O. M. B. to make sure that everything is on track with with the withholding of aid did the we're seeing some suggestive evidence of linkage. I highly recommend that everyone within the sound of our voices and watching tonight seek out. This article recall. Our guest has written because it is a fascinating ride through what we've just learned Franklin four. Thank you very much coming on with US tonight and coming up for us. Their job is to promote peace around the world and yet our next guest says the president is waging war against them. Um In recent weeks career diplomats like ambassadors Marie Ivanovich and Bill Taylor have testified. About how a smear campaign with a financial and partisan motivation overtook American foreign policy in Ukraine. And our next guest reports it doesn't and they're quote. Trump is waging war on America's diplomats is the title of Julia Office piece in the current G. Q. Magazine. It begins with the story of foreign service US officer in the London embassy claiming he was punished after praising President Obama during a public event and back with US tonight we are so pleased I used to have the aforementioned a Russian born American journalists and these days correspondent for G. Q.. Julia had me thinking of this tonight. After the first three career public servants appeared at the hearing. Donald trump junior said this on twitter America Higher. Donald trump to fire are people like the first three witnesses. We've seen career government bureaucrats and nothing more and so I ask you. What must it be like for for the folks doing their jobs to have their very job and their career choice under fire by the president and his henchmen and women well to Donald Trump junior point at least the government bureaucrats though they are an elected at least take an oath to the constitution? When you have Rudy Giuliani trump's personal lawyer and live live Parnassus and eager fruman running around who are accountable to nobody but themselves I would argue I'd Ra- I'd rather have the bureaucrats working for us but these foreign service officers you know. They they work long hours. They work often in difficult. Conditions in places like Iraq and Afghanistan in places like China and Russia where they're closely monitored and surveilled and followed often harassed They do it for a lot. Less money Neither than they would make in the in the private sector and they do it most of them do it out of passion. They really believe in this American project as Corny and cheesy as it sounds. They really believe in advance advancing America's national of security interests and values abroad and a lot of them have told me that in the last as three years. You know When you take the advancement of American values out of it and the and factor in the personal attacks and the fact that the State Department Hartman is being basically a visceral. The equation doesn't make sense anymore. We've seen a massive exodus We got numbers that nobody had seen before in just the first two years of trump's administration almost half of the State Department's senior Foreign Service officers have left either have retired tired or have been forced out what we've watched a A US senator parroting the talking points that were formed by Vladimir Putin over the last two weeks. Now I want to show you this. This is Tucker Carlson from Fox News just last night. Could any of these people actually tell you why Vladimir Putin it's so bad. Why is he so bad? Chuck Todd says okay. Speak slowly so I can understand what makes Vladimir Putin worse than I don't know a whole list of American allies. So Julia we took the bait by airing that and now I can offer you the question. What makes Vladimir Putin so bad? You know just asking. The question that has been addressed. In several books including Bhai Fiona Hill who testified magnificently in front of the House. Intelligence Committee couple couple of weeks ago doesn't mean nobody's answered it just means he hasn't read the books Ladimir. Putin is bad because he has stolen tens and tens of billions of rubles. Listen dollars from his countrymen while And women while schools and hospitals crumble and highways crumble. He has killed journalists he has put dissenters enters and jail. He has built a cult of personality autocratic regime in Russia that is extremely hostile to its neighbors. It violates all kinds of international treaties. But you know now that I say this I imagine Tucker Carlson would say well. That sounds great. And it's exactly kind of how we would want Donald Trump to be so. It's kind of hard to reason with somebody who doesn't want to be convinced. And who thinks that these are examples of good behaviour fee. Thank you so much I no. It may not be top of mind for our viewers but when we next have you on. We're going to talk about what you put out on social media this weekend about the rise of anti-semitism that so many of us us are seeing out there on a daily basis. You'll Yaffe guest. Thanks for returning to our broadcast and coming up. After a spectacular launch a subdued departure just today and with that another Democrat is gone from the race and there was a time some saw her as a prohibitive favorite favor. Hey It's Chris Hayes you know. Sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news us and take our broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is this happening? Were exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of of it is climate change will be to the twenty th century what modernity west of the nineteenth century. It'll be the central subject of questions about economic justice. Everything you care about in the world will be affected by the climate and digging deep with guests uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes every Tuesday Newsday. Wherever you get your podcasts over the last few days I have come to one of the hardest artist decisions of my life? So here's the deal guys. My campaign for President simply does not have the financial resources to continue California. Senator Kamala Harris has now back to being a California senator just last night here. We showed you this. She had already fallen behind Mike Bloomberg in one poll. All national poll granted but Bloomberg's Ben in the race. Not yet two weeks. He's already spent more on TV than Harris had raised during the length of her entire campaign. And and so just two months shy. The Iowa caucuses the first big target. Harris is out. Her campaign launch was among the best of the television an age in front of a crowd of twenty thousand highly energized people on a sparkling day in her hometown of Oakland back in January but then came came some missteps and some struggles and then a few days ago. A lot of her staffer spilled their concern in the pages spectacularly so of the New York Times this evening the president sent her off with post that read too bad we will miss you. Kamla to which the senator shot back. Don't worry Mr President I'll see you at your trial. Trial here to talk about impeachment and Twenty Twenty John Alma National Affairs Analyst Co author of Game Change and double down and Co host of the circus on on showtime we. Can we get the new season out of Mr High Allman at all January. Bud Okay. We'll be back we're they. Were there all through those primaries use for the travel it means in your life not a problem. What happened to Kamla Harris? I think she couldn't figure out why she was running for president. And I think it's an umbrella important thing you know. She's one of the. She was candid with enormous enormous potential. Many people in the Democratic base and the Democratic establishment looked at her entering the race that she was a top tier candidate. For the moment you got in I was at that event Oakland it it was as well staged and well produced and as strong as any campaign announcement. I think I've ever seen but the reality was that on some very fundamental issues. We spent more time talking about healthcare in this race than any other racists the most important issue for Democratic voters. She couldn't figure out whether she was for Medicare for all or not for Medicare for all. She went back and forth on that issue. That kind of inconsistency is a problem. She was very good at convincing people. She would be formidable debater people could imagine her onstage wjr against Donald Trump. What they couldn't get from her really was a positive vision for what she wanted to do for the country and I know her campaign struggled to kind of formulate what aspirated vision thing was going to be for her and I think in the absence of that some of the other problems that you had including on the fundraising side ended up being a ended up being fatal okay? Can you tell me how it is that we're looking at the next democratic debate with C. of only white faces on that stage the most diverse field. That's ever run for president either party in the history of the country and we're going to get to this debate right now. They're going to be six people on that stage. All of them white. I think we got. There are to no small extent because Democratic National Committee decided to institute a Bunch of rules that have forbidden some people all from being on the stage. Who probably should have been on the stage at some of those people or White People Michael Bennett? Steve Bullock could just dropped out of the race people who have won in red and purple states who on paper paper or electable candidates who got barred from the debate stage in August in the interest of winnowing. The Field Cory Booker. Someone who is not a white person who right now is barred from being on on the stage in December who many people think is as credible as anybody else in there in the race. There's the way we winnowed fields in the past Bryan. You've covered some of these races. I've covered seven of them. We would have the field. That was what the primary was for. People ran out of money or they ran out of support. They didn't have the Democratic National Committee or any National Committee saying well. If you don't have enough certain a number of polls and a certain amount of fundraising we're going to keep you off the stage. I think that's part of why we've ended up where we are and it is. I think to a lot of Democrats. I talked to a ridiculous situation. And what about Mike. Bloomberg Bloomberg doesn't have a case to say. Look I'm self-financing. I got billions at home in a wheelbarrow. So you can't use the the standard of people donating money to me. I look I I gotta say there are a lot of people in the Democratic Party who find it objectionable the notion that Mike Bloomberg is going to come in here and try to buy the Democratic nomination kid in at their core God they think this this is the unacceptable. I find it troubling myself on the other hand. I don't see any good reason why Mike Bloomberg should not be on debate stages going forward man was a three term mayor of New York Orc city and has as as a credible candidate as there is in the field people in the Democratic Party. Who are worried about being donald trump should be able to hear from people who have some reasonable claim to be donald trump? I think I don't know call me crazy. This is why we love having you. Thank you very much for coming by and seeing your old friends here thank you sir. Our are thanks to John. Holloman on this Tuesday night and coming up for us the author of a new book on One Supreme Court Justice the guy most closely identified with beer. Is here here to tell us what we're about to see. Play out on live television. That may seem eerily familiar this confirmation processes become a national disgrace the constitution Russian gives the Senate and important role in the confirmation process. But you have replaced advice and consent with search and destroy Washington Post veteran columnist Ruth. Marcus provides striking new details about the confirmation fight to put that band Brett Cavanaugh on on the Supreme Court. It's in her new book just out today and in her latest column she writes about the parallels between that confirmation fight and the current impeachment inquiry and I quote from the conservative vantage point. Perhaps the greatest similarity is the deep sense of agreement about the motives of Kavanagh's critics then and trump's uh-huh now those seeking to impeach the president over his conduct with respect to Ukraine have long been searching desperately for something anything with which take down the designated victim. We're happy to have Ruth Marcus with us here tonight by day. She is Deputy editorial page editor and columnist for the Washington. Post as I might have mentioned she also happens to be the author of Supreme Ambition Brett Cavenaugh and the conservative takeover. It is great to have you and I I have to tell you ruth. I have a democratic friend. Who says here's the only viewers guide you need to what's about to happen? And he points to a picture of Jeff flakes concerned face. Jeff Flake gave his concern. Face a good long ride during the cavanaugh hearings especially after he was made made aware of those women's concerns in the elevator. Jeff Flake just decided to confirm the guy left for Arizona. Didn't look back is what is past prologue in your view. I I think it is without the beer. Thanks so much for having we need to talk about this. I think that we're going to see a Some degree of concern face perhaps from Republicans Republicans senators and then they are going to move on and of not vote to convict and remove the president from office and at least Senator Flake and I write about him extensively in the book and the long night title he says he had longest night of his life in the Senate woke up deciding to vote for justice. Then judge Cavenaugh to confirm him then. Dan decided to go forward with this. FBI investigation but didn't push to have the FBI continuous investigation where it should go. And I think that We may look back at Jeff Flake and other Republican senators conduct in the cavenaugh nomination and a Wish we had jeff flake back to deal with the Impeachment trial because right now as I see it. There's not a a lot of appetite for really getting to the facts here. There's just fear of Donald trump fear of voters and a desire to you. Just move on from this one of the news year. Bits in an already newsy book concerns the contact between between two fathers justice. Kavanagh's father and blahsy Ford's father after the vote to confirm. Tell us as much as as we should know to force us into our favorite bookseller by tomorrow morning. I'm please go to your favorite bookseller by tomorrow morning. If not tonight this is A really difficult scene in the book of it's the morning after justice. CAVENAUGH is confirmed as it happens. Happens in the very small clubby world of conservative and elite Washington. Ralph Blasi Christine Blasi. Ford's father is is a golf club. Friend and colleague at the elite Burning Tree Country Club of Ed Kavanagh Brick Kavanagh's father and the morning after after the confirmation Ed Kavanagh opens his email and he sees an email from his friend. Ralph Blasi and it says both of our families have been through a lot. I'm glad Brett was confirmed. Now Ralph Blasi was privately supportive of his daughter. He and his wife did not go to her her hearings but they went to visit her afterwards. She did not ask them to go to the hearings. He told her repeatedly that he was proud of her. But there is the the fact and it is a fact of this email and it's pretty shattering fact that somebody whose daughter said that And Brad Kavanagh sexually assaulted her would say he was glad she was confirmed. Perhaps this was the observance of a man who was just being ungracious. It's hard I don't do mine reading just do reporting But it is what it is. It's a pretty astonishing email. I hold in my hand months months of research and writing by veteran journalist a substantial book to add to what we may think we know about this matter. Our thanks to Ruth Marcus columnist and and author for staying up late with US tonight again. The branding the brand new book is called Supreme Ambition Brett Cavanaugh and the conservative takeover. Thanks for coming up. It's about something the president said today in London. And when we come back we will let you be the judge of whether it is true or or false but the stock it goes up again. I watch jobs okay last thing before we go tonight. That was the president in London London today while talking. Generally about China point was his assertion that he doesn't watch the stock market. Let's try something here. You be the judge. Do you think he's telling telling the truth. In that moment we went back just a month in his public comments. So listen to this. You'd be the judge and it's always nice to to begin by saying the stock market is up again. We just set another record. We have another big record. Stock Market Day another record and the stock market and the history of our country which which to me means jobs and a lot of other things we just hit the highest number in the history of the stock market so the stock market headed all time high Yesterday the stock market is up big today. Today the stock market hit a new all-time high. You know we just said another stockbroker so you saw that right. I saw this morning on. It was just announced the Nasdaq for just this year's up twenty seven percent all three. We had Nasdaq we had SNP. We had Dow low three if you look all three we picked up tremendous stock market and economic numbers. The overall stock market is through the roof from the time of the election. They actually went wild the day after I one set a new record. I think it's the twenty second time this year the time there were an office. We've said over one hundred and I think it's substantially more than one hundred people wouldn't know these numbers because most of you aren't very active in the market. I think it's like one hundred eighteen. I told you we have a record stock market today. Yeah I think it's the one hundred nineteenth day that we've set a record. I think that's one hundred thirty two times that we've set a record frog economy we've ever had double one. Thank you reminder. That was just in the space of a month here again. Just for comparison the president today but at the stock market goes up. I don't watch the stock. Ah Watch jobs jobs. And so you can be the judge of our non-market watching president in his own words to take us off the air this evening and with that that's our broadcast for this Tuesday night. We're back on the air nine. AM thank you for being here with us good night from our NBC News headquarters here in New York.

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DAY 881: Trump's former aide Hope Hicks is first witness from Mueller report testify before Congress

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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DAY 881: Trump's former aide Hope Hicks is first witness from Mueller report testify before Congress

"Tonight, the president calls into Fox News, unleashes diatribe on some of his favourite subjects, including Komi Muller and the FBI. Plus, if Democrats were hoping for details from hope Hicks, they came up empty, but her appearance at least in the hallway got the attention of the president, along with those who want more thorough and aggressive investigation, and the challenge, the Democrats are likely failing at telling the story of the mullahs report that the Muller report failed to tell on its own as the eleventh hour gets underway on a Wednesday night. Good evening, once again, from our NBC news headquarters here in New York day, eighty one of the Trump administration and this is the scene. The indelible pictures from today. Hope Hicks on Capitol Hill to talk with the House Judiciary committee, not in public mind, you only behind closed doors and not to answer questions, the White House lawyers with her prevented that, but it did make for quite a scene. More than one person watching said she walked as, if on a runway unbothered by questions unwilling to answer. At one time as a public servants she was among the closest people to the president of the United States, representing our country around the globe paid for by tax payer dollars. She may well have witnessed obstruction of Justice and criminal activity, but that was of no apparent concern to her today. So here now the former White House director of Pena -cations. To the president obstruct Justice is the White House and letting you answer any questions today. Why is the White House? Limiting your testimony so much. Surrounded by attorneys her unwillingness to answer questions from the committee was because the administration has said she was quote absolutely immune from being compelled to testify about her time as Trump's senior adviser some Democrats on the committee dimiss dismiss that excuse. It was so absurd that we would ask questions such as where is your office located objection? They objected to any question that was posed to hope Hicks, that had to do with anything she observed or did during the course of her employment and the White House. This is an effort of the president to be sure that witnesses do not share valuable information to the committee to continue in this ongoing cover up to prevent the American people from knowing the full truth, on the upside, other judiciary committee members said Hicks was able to discuss her time on the Trump campaign chairman, Jerry Nadler, also says he learned a few things as well. But also implied the White House's stance on immunity would be challenged in the courts. Hear more about eight hundred hundred twenty minutes. She cars. Chances over questions. And. Information and the white as lead. Non-existent absolutely immunity. And that will not stay. Trump weighed in on hope Hicks testimony tonight during an interview with Fox News. She's a wonderful person. Well, she's been through hell. They put this young woman through hell what, she's had to pay a legal fees, and everything else that they're allowed to go forward with, you know, interviewing people having people like ho- picks and others. Having to pay for a new set of lawyers Hicks did testified to the special counsel team. Her testimony is cited over seventy times in the Muller report, including about Trump's reaction to the appointment of Muller as special counsel in the first place and the effort to explain away, the 2016 Trump Tower meeting earlier today, FBI veteran. Frank Losey told this network that her roles on Trump's campaign and in the west wing maintenance, more than likely she'll be called the testify again. Ho picks is not going away. You're going to see her. Call to testify in grand juries in the state of New York in Manhattan, and she's going to be a player for the next few years. Unfortunately or fortunately on our TV screens, the push to get Robert Muller himself to testify before congress could soon be headed toward a subpoena today. House intelligence committee, chairman Adam Schiff signaled that Democrats are getting tired of waiting to hear from the special counsel himself. He's going to have to testify, and you can testify voluntarily or it can testify under subpoena, but it's going to happen. I don't think a two year investigation of this magnitude followed by written report and a ten minutes statement without questions. Satisfactorily answers, the many, many questions that we have about the investigation. So I also think time had patients are running out on that front. The Washington Post reports the house intelligence committee. Will hear from one time Trump business associate Felix Seder, he is set to testify on Friday about his effort to develop Trump Tower Moscow during the two thousand sixteen election political rights, that Seder's hearing was supposed to be public. But now the committee decided to make it private because of his previous undercover work for the Defense Intelligence Agency on Russia issues. Meanwhile, speaker Pelosi's, latest comments about impeachment or raising questions about the firmness of her opposition. She's now here's how she responded rather. When asked if she would consider a congressional censure of Trump as an alternative to impeachment. I think censor is just a, a way out. If you're gonna go you go. It's good to there. You must impeach. Democratic congresswoman of Illinois Jan Schakowsky who's a member of Pelosi's leadership team is now backing an impeachment inquiry into Trump. She calls her move, quote, a personal decision on my part that makes her the sixty eighth member of the house to call for an inquiry now to our leadoff discussion on a Wednesday night, Philip Rucker Pulitzer prize winning White House bureau chief, for the Washington Post, former US attorney Joyce fans who spent twenty five years as a federal prosecutor here with us in New York. Emily Jane FOX national correspondent for Vanity Fair also happens to be the author of born Trump inside America's first family. Phil rucker. Let's start with the president's call into Fox News. Tonight. Re-litigating 2016 it was about Muller. It was about Komi. It was about the FBI about the Clinton campaign on this night, after launching his reelection. This is still apparently fill his Goto. It. Sure is Bryant. He is not a president eager to turn the page here. Indeed. He's digging in he feels under siege, and he said, it's much in FOX interview and also at his reelection kickoff rally last night. He said that the twenty twenty election would be a verdict on the people who are acting and un-american ways to subvert democracy. And by that he does not mean the Russians, he means molar, he means Komi. He means all of the investigators who've been investigating this Russian interference in the election and his campaign, and his own possible, obstruction of Justice, and we're going to see that continue. I think for some time to come. Joyce did hope Hicks have the legal right to do what she did today or better said, not do what she didn't say today. The best way to answer that Brian is to say that the answer will come when this case hits the courts in other words, certainly like any other witness she can come in a search she doesn't have to answer questions and then the inquiry that you have is whether the person asking the questions is really serious about getting answers. So we'll now find out whether Congress's serious. And whether they intend to ask a federal judge to compel hope Hicks to answer, Emily Jane, FOX, you have covered hope Hicks. Why do you think she did this today? Well he was legally required to be there. I think that is the main reason why she was there. She is someone who is a very senior member of a public company. It is still the folks where she works. She works at new FOX, which is a company that is run by a Murdoch son. It's a company that is brand new, she's the head of communications there. And there are shareholders who would take issue with the fact that a senior member of this company is being. Put in this situation and being thrust on the world stage. And if she was not going to comply with a subpoena, which legally requires her to be there. I would imagine that would be of some trouble now. Doing what she did today, something that I think only would work for the company where she works it is something that is run by the Murdoch family. It's a company that owns Fox News. And it's a company that hired her knowing that she was potentially going to be in this situation to someday. So I think that some of that is baked in, but I think she did the bare minimum of what she was legally required to do while still meant maintaining her loyalty to the Trump family, which is something that is incredibly important to her something that is incredibly important to the Trump family. And I think that is a large part of, of why she didn't go much further than she was required to do today. Though that may be challenged Joyce, just explained one of the. And one of the underpinnings of your comments, and Joyce's, if the Democrats, prevail hope Hicks might have a very big decision to make depicted team here. I've been racking my brain about this all day of which team she would pick. I did a story about her for Vanity Fair at the end of last year. Starting her new life in Los Angeles. She has a very big job jus just coming off of another very big job. It's hard for me to see someone who was thirty years old. Choosing to tie themselves to something like the Trump organization, something like the Trump campaign something like the Trump White House knowing where this could all head someday. But you have to understand this underlying loyalty. She had. So the Trump family, it is so strong, it defies all logic. And so, I don't know which way it would go at the end of the day, president calls her Hopi hoping this would be a big decision for Hopi and would test. Exactly, the, the strength of the relationship, you're trying to come up with the terms to describe, well, I watched it a close with Michael Cohen, who is someone who is incredibly loyal to him as well at the end of the day, the president through Michael Cohen under the bus, or at least that's how Michael Cohen felt and so that is what turned Cohen away and turned him from this guy who told me that he would take a bullet for the president to someone who ended up cooperating investigations against him. It's harder for me to see the president turning on hope Hicks. It's not impossible, and I think stranger things have happened. And I think that, that may be where you see some tension and movement down the road Joyce, a snarky person would say perhaps, all the Democrats hearing rooms are getting painted and they can't. Have public hearings anymore. Everybody's behind closed doors while the latest on Friday of this week, we'll be Mr. Seder, he of attempted Trump Tower Moscow fame, a business associate of Mr. Trump at all. What kind of things can they ask him and learn from him, potentially? We'll say, we'll have a lot to say about the relationship the business relationships that he had with both Michael Cohen with the president. He can talk about the plans to build Trump Tower in Moscow and the reason in his case for the closed hearing is because he did intelligence work. He worked with Dan, I and much of what he would have to say would be inappropriate in a public setting. And so as much as I think, we're all eager to hear public testimony in this case as opposed to in the case of hope Hicks. There seems to be a really good reason to spend some time behind closed doors with Hicks. The decision to go in closed doors. Looks really much more like it was an effort to bring someone who wasn't really certain. She wanted to testify in front of the house to at least set up that baseline where she would refuse to answer questions. So the congress could go on its way and get this decided by a judge. I see that as two very different. Situations in terms of why they were held behind closed doors and Joyce, this may call for a judgment on your part, but where Mr. Muller is concerned is his testimony, another potential case for the Democrats of be careful what you wish for, and can you imagine Bob Muller saying public absolutely bring all the cameras in? Let's do it on live television versus going behind closed doors. Muller's already made his feelings about public testimony clear. He's not a fan, but by the same token he's delivered his report and told us that the report speaks for itself, but the report can't really speak to us because about ten percent of it is redacted, you know, the problem for Muller is that he lives a little bit at the crossroads of this more traditional era, where prosecutors did not come forward did not speak in public. Only tried their cases in courtrooms and the reality of this extraordinarily unusual situation where the president can't be charged where there continue to be questions about whether or not Muller was permitted to proceed with his investigation unimpeded. He himself wrote a letter to Bill bar just days after the report was released questioning the attorney general's veracity in essence saying that when he characterized the report in public that Muller was. Left with concerns about the context the nature of the substance. How bar characterized all those aspects of the report, he may ultimately have to testify in public here whether he wants to or not full Rucker. You had the first word and I'd like to give you the last amidst all this, there is the business of the administration, another change in the Trump cabinet thousand more US troops headed to the Gulf last night. However, the president told his rally audience in Orlando Orlando, he was pulling troops out of the Middle East. So, what of the ongoing business of this Trump presidency? Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go. Subscribe to the MSN be daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC two six six eight six six to subscribe. Well, Bryan, there's a lot going on. And there's even more than that. The president is headed to Japan near the end of this month for a series of pretty high stakes meetings with Chinese president. She to go over that trade deal, possibly have some sort of an accord with China. He's gonna plant he's planning to sit down with Vladimir Putin the Russian president. We all know how important, those meetings can be and how consequential that is for this president. And so he's, he's got a lot going on. He there's this conflict emerging here in Iran, and yet he continues to be so distracted and so focused and you might say obsessed with the ongoing fallout from the Muller investigation. He's paying attention to all these moves on Capitol Hill. He's paying attention to the I word as he puts it in peach mint, and what the House Democrats might do. And he obviously today was paying close attention to hope Hicks to our big three to Phil Rucker to Joyce vista. Emily Jane FOX. Thank you, for starting us off in great fashion tonight and coming up for. For us a magic, if hope Hicks testified today in public with cameras, present on live television, perhaps, when we come back, we will talk about the giant opportunity, the Democrats have right now, the challenge to tell the story of the mullahs report in a way the Muller reported south failed to do and later, why Bernie Sanders sounded almost Trumpian on social media today? We'll look what has him worked up as the eleventh hour is just getting started on this Wednesday night. The Democrats in the house wanted a big name they called hope Hicks, up to answer questions, she agreed. She agreed to appear behind closed doors where she didn't answer questions. But she made for a stunning hallway appearance, the Democrats have a problem. The Muller report is dense legalese, clunk Lee written as a result has gone largely unread. The president says its conclusion was no obstruction. No collusion. It, of course, says nothing of the sort our own Mike Memoli nicely summed up this problem on our broadcast about a week ago. The things that I keep hearing from judiciary committee, staff and leadership aides is that this is an effort to bring bring to life, the Mola report that the four hundred plus pages of the mole report is a book that no one reads, we have to make a movie. Remember that line earlier today, the former FBI counterintelligence, chief, Frank fig explained why he thinks Robert Muller himself needs to testify the gentlemanly civility of Robert Muller and his adherence to decorum and protocol and a-political appearance hasn't served us. Well, it worked, well, a few years back, but we're in a society that watches TV gets our news from whatever, particular network, we watch, or from our neighbors, or colleagues, and we need to see something play out in front of us. It's sad. But it's true. And I think Bob Muller absolutely does need to testify back with us. Again tonight is Donny Deutsch importantly, he's done branding and strategy consultation for. The Democrats also importantly, his new show Saturday night, politics airs as its title would indicate Saturday nights at eight pm eastern on this ferry network. Frying took me a week to come up with that title, twenty consultants I like it, it works. My DVR understand that, all that's all I ask. Let's take Mike memories. Superb turn of phrase, if I asked you to turn this into a movie figuratively, how do you make this report a movie? How do you make that guy? The star, I would challenge movie and say, it's not a movie we need to create an episode in ongoing drama. Okay. That's the problem. People have been setting up Muller and I call it post Malo depression syndrome, that this was going to change the world. And even if he testifies yes, it puts blood to it puts colored too. It makes it real that still not the ultimate silver bullet. It's one more piece in an ongoing thing that I keep saying brand is the overall Trump Trump criminal investigations. There's an irony that all of a sudden people going. Oh, the morning, console poll, all of a sudden now not fifty seven percent, but sixty seven percent of Democrats want to impeach the reason is because the weeks and weeks on end of Joyce Vance up there of John dean up there Dom, again, refusing to do it of hope Hicks waltzing in the ongoing hubris of Trump. Aficionados refusing to kind of work within our legal system. And on top of that, we have an ongoing. We have Trump is a unindicted co-conspirator, if what, what his the other conspirators in jail for we have the New York AG looking at everything from his philanthropic organization to the inaugural committee. We have money laundering. We have Bank fraud. We have tax fraud. There is a lot to come. So this Muller is not the crescendo Muller is not the day Newmar. It is one piece of hopefully an ongoing drama, a weekly drama daily drama that I'm calling the Trump criminal investigations often in the studio at four PM. Nicole Wallace invites you to her small conversation. Whereas I see it your role is tough love. What are the Democrats doing right now? What's the chance that when you and I talked during the post game show after these debates the subject of the night is going to be a social issue that zero percent of south Carolinians are worried about prior to. Their primary. The Democrats better realize one thing that there is one message out there. And that's Trump broke promises and it's about healthcare, and it's about the economy, not Trump's economy, but the rest of the country's economy that is not doing well. And if they start in like today, talking about calling tracing concentration guys, you are missing it, if they started in with slavery reparations, now, once again, morally, I understand it as a political issue. It is an absolute loser and on top of that, if they start going down the path, and I love Elizabeth Warren. She's a dynamic human being. She's a wonderful force. If Trump can label anybody a socialist that he's running against the Democrats. Lose big Democrats understand. There was one game here beat Donald Trump. We have a face of evil running this country right now, the stakes are so high and although some of the agendas of some of the far left, our noble, I you got to get the guy out of office. I'm a businessman. This is an eighteen month play. There needs to be a centrist in there we go to hard left without four more years of Trump. It's that simple. We have a problem, five nights a week figuring out, what makes the broadcast and what order. So it Saturday afternoon. How do you look with as long as these weeks are how on earth do you keep a whiteboard? I hope you look back and decide what your lead story is going to be, and what topics need to be plucked out as Conversely, I start around Wednesday. So for it's interesting topics this week. I'll pull apart Trump twenty twenty which I'm calling the two thousand sixteen rerun and the big issue is, is there. Trump wear out, basically, it's the same bag of tricks. You say and I think if that's what we got. He's in trouble. My other concern that this topic is everybody says Trump can't pivot, he's the ultimate transaction list. He was democrat before he ran. He realized the birth of thing was hitting a racist tone. He goes this, works, and that got him elected, do not think he is not beyond all of a sudden, coming out with a comprehensive health plan that to America goes while this pretty. Is pretty good. So what he's doing right now. He's doing the two thousand sixteen repeat to solidify his base, but I think, as we walk into twenty twenty you're going to start to see a state of the union Trump. So some of these are some of the things I'm getting into one other thing he brought up Hillary. I think he could start to turn Hillary into an empathetic figure that maybe we'll have a little bit of a place with the Democrats, you, you beat that so often that, so a lot of the things that work for Trump the first time around might not. So it's kind of seeing what is going to work and where does he pivot twenty seconds of time. I don't have you firmly believe our moderators should not be reading the live tweets from the president during the debates do not let Donald Trump produce these debates. That is the most inane pathetic week thing in the world. Just dismiss them to let him invade. These debates is everything wrong that the Democrats can do Donny. Deutsch, ladies and gentlemen, also known as the host of Saturday night, politics, Saturday evenings, eight pm eastern time, your DVR will recognize. It is. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Thank you for being here. Coming up. Why Elizabeth Warren's steady momentum is bad news for at least one other top tier candidate. When we come back. Massachusetts, Senator Elizabeth Warren, gaining ground right now at least in the twenty twenty race. A new Monmouth poll out just today puts her ahead of Bernie Sanders by one percentage point both are still trailing. Former vice president, Joe Biden moron him in a bit. Politico explains Warren's bump this way, quote, there was a time not so long ago when leading Democrats warned that Elizabeth Warren's fantasy based blue state populism, wrist leading the party to ruin but in a revealing tell of how far her campaign has come since it's early February launch some unlikely voices in the center of the party are growing more comfortable with the idea of Warren as the nominee her surge at least a small one prompted Sanders to call out the so-called establishment on social media in almost Trumpian style, quote the cat is out of the bag. The corporate wing of the Democratic Party is publicly anybody. But Bernie, they know our progressive agenda of Medicare for all breaking up. Big banks. Taking on drug companies and raising wages is the real threat to the billionaire class. Well with us tonight to talk about it. Shannon petty peace, White House correspondent for Bloomberg and Eugene, Scott political reporter for the Washington Post, welcome to you. Both shannon. Let's full disclosure here. No polls matter at all right? Now, they're just they give us something to talk about. And it's interesting. And Donny Deutsch who was our previous guests said this week on the air if Warren's the nominee, they'll lose forty eight states. So do you concur? This is just kind of the intramural thing we can discuss. Well, so pull do and they don't matter. So I've been talking to people Republican strategists people in the campaign. They all tell me don't pay attention to the polls. Look at, when Walter Mondale was winning at this time all those years ago, they say, look at where Donald Trump was in the polls at this time for years ago, don't pay attention to them yet. When Elizabeth Warren started creeping up the polls this week. I started hearing from them that they were shifting resources to Elizabeth Warren to researching her background and doing Otto on her. That's the type of pull that got her attention. The head to head polls against Trump. The Democrats say pay no attention to, but these polls, they've been looking at the democratic field and Elizabeth Warren rise certainly got Republicans attention. And people in the Trump campaign's attention this week Eugene. There is another sidebar topic. I'm going to put the polling back on the screen. We there are entire cable networks that talk about this stuff all day. These are three need columns of numbers on the left some numbers. That are two digits, and then it drops off a cliff. You get about the Yang neighborhood into diplomacy o Gabbard Inslee you're down to one percent center column, and then the zeros including a democrat, who's one governorship in a red state with a Big Sky, a democrat from Rocky Mountain state, and Eric swallow, who makes us many daily television appearances as some people on popular farmer commercials. Eugene is an article of faith back to column. One that Warren's numbers come out of the Bernie Sanders Bank account. That's not what the data says in that poll, right there. We know that they're liberals who really want to back Warren who are listening to her who are entertaining the policy ideas. She's putting forward that we don't necessarily see where people who were backing Sanders previously. I think what we have it's voters coming into this. Election cycle just really open to ideas and looking at multiple candidates, they hadn't chosen Sanders before and switching to warn, but they're discovering that Warren, perhaps, isn't who her critics have said she was there discovering that, perhaps, they didn't pay that much attention to warn prior to this election. Because they weren't that invested in maybe a Massachusetts politics or other issues that they found to be relevant to them, and they're just entertaining now, new ideas, hoping to find someone that they believe can get Donald Trump out of the Oval Office. Shannon petty piece about. Elizabeth Warren, the question, of course, has has been asked is she up. Can she give as good as she gets because of the incoming fire though? No one gets the level of Trump preoccupation like Joe Biden. Yes, he remains a top the math, but the president seems to have chosen the democratic nominee in his head. Well, I think a lot of the attacks on Biden have been driven by some of the internal polling numbers that the Trump campaign and those close to the president have been getting into this point, that pulls matter, but they don't. You know, Biden appeared to be the democrat who could take the president on in the states that really mattered Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan. Those, you know, there's, there's a number of swing states with those are the ones that the Republicans are really closely watching, and in those states, Biden was within the margins or leading the president and a lot of polls, so that created a lot of anxiety there. But the Elizabeth Warren search as I was saying has gotten their attention. And she has some things that the Trump campaign has said they felt were the president's biggest assets, and that if there was an opponent, who had those they could be a real threat, and that's authenticity. And a clear message you know who she is, you know who you stay who she stands for. She might not be out of central casting, but she is authentic, and you might not always agree with her message, but you know what it is. And that's something that in the back of their minds. They have been saying that as a concern of theirs that candidate will come along with those qualities good point will may. Both of our guests have agreed to stay with us on the other side of the break Eugene, I'm coming to you to talk about. Joe Biden tonight. And when we come back can the Democrats find a message other than anyone, but Trump to win over their voters and their base? This election is a verdict on whether we want to live at a country where the people who lose an election refused to concede and spend the next two years, trying to shred our constitution and rip your country apart. If you wanna know how the system is Rick. Just compare how they came after us for three years with everything they have versus the free pass. They gave to Hillary at her aides. Our radical democrat opponents are driven by hatred prejudice and rage. They want to destroy you and they want to destroy our country as we know it, perhaps, you detected the grievances there. The president launching is twenty twenty reelection campaign with choice words for the Democratic Party along with plenty of callback to the twenty sixteen campaign. So importantly, that's the world Democrats woke up to this morning. Back with us. Shannon petty piece Eugene, Scott, by the way, and you gene, then the news blew up of Joe Biden at an event last night for those who haven't followed the story. Please walk us through what he said and the hubbub when you're done doing that will show, folks, what Biden said tonight. Sure, we'll Joe Biden was at a fundraiser in New York City last night, trying to reach out to potential donors letting them know that he would not govern the way we just saw the president communicating to his supporters. He wants to be a unifier, not a divisive president, and he looked, he, he shot back and pointed back, should, I'd say to his career in the Senate, and noted that he has worked with people. He viewed very differently politically, including some white supremacists. Some segregationists some lawmakers who advocated for policies, they did not. Benefit black Americans, or people who just were not white men, and he's gotten quite a bit of pushback for that, including from other people running for president and others. Individuals even across the aisle. Who think that the former vice president has romanticized these individuals? Yeah. He said among his other comments, these senators didn't call him boy, but they called him son. His point was, I think that he was able to do business with them. So this developed all today. There's now a Cory Booker, Joe Biden subplot here in order is Joe Biden has captured by CBS camera crew in suburban Maryland. Tonight, followed by Cory Booker, as interviewed on CNN. The point I'm making is don't have to agree. You don't have to like the people in terms of their views. But you just simply meant the kids in beat them are you going to apologize? Like Cory Booker has rows for corporate. Called for it. He's actually joins. He knows better not a racist bone in my body. I've been involved in civil rights, my whole career period, period, period. What matters to me is that a guy running to be the head of our party, which is significantly diverse and wondrous party doesn't understand, or can't even acknowledge that he made a mistake, whether the intention was there or not. That's what was stunning to me. And instead, he's falling back into the defensive crouch that often people say, which is Cory Colby, a racist, or I'm not a racist, which is not what I said and not what not what I'm calling him. And, and this is the problem. He knows better. And at a time with the Donald Trump never apologizes for anything source to create that kind of, I think, toxic sentiment that you never policy is never apologize. Never apologize. I, I know Joe Biden, he he's better than this. So Eugene, Senator Booker notably went on CNN tonight announcing this is not a circular firing squad. This is not what that's about knowing that people on networks like this one go on and say there, go, the Democrats, it's a circular firing squad. Indeed. But I think the point he really wanted to make is pushing back on Joe Biden's claim that, that working environment was a civil when, when he collaborated with these white supremacists. Lawmakers the reality is this was not a civil environment for the black Americans who were represented by these lawmakers who want it to see policies promoted and supported that made their. Their lives better. And that's not what Biden spoke to. He did not even address, just how difficult of a time these individuals, had in terms of what impact they left on their constituents, and I think another important point is right now, we have an incredibly divided congress, and we're seeing people on both sides of the aisle, an unable to work together because they have different world views I don't think what we see from the democratic base is voters looking for someone who can work across the out. They're looking for someone who will bony. Call out evil and bad intentions, and racism, and sexism, when they see it and Joe Biden and didn't do that today. And that is why so many people from within his own party have expressed concern. Shannon, number one. Why bring up these two guys? They were separatists and number two Shannon was the correct answer that I was one in one hundred we had to get work done. So it means you have to work with all kinds of unsavory people. Well, I don't know. Why Joe Biden decided to go here because again, what is your what is your message? What are you trying to get across? And if the message is trying to be I think we've, we're trying to dissect, what's going on here, this idea of civility that I'm going to be, you want a candidate, who's going to be this warm blanket and going to bring you back to this other time when we all got along, it's almost similar to that. Let's make America great. Again. Win was America great. Let's go back to this era where we all got along. And of course, there are many people in any of those periods who will say, that's not what America was great. And we weren't all getting along to the way Eugene, so we'll articulated, but in Trump world where my brain lives, this is what? They have been waiting for. And I know they're saying this is not a circular firing squad, but it is. And it is going to be for the next, you know, eight nine twelve months until we can get a democratic nominee. And that's why the Trump folks, they don't pay attention to these polls because the Democrats are going to tear each other up. They're going to define each other. And right now, we just have sort of a almost a fictitious candidate even Joe Biden, who you think we know we know vice president, Joe Biden, and we know Joe Biden in two thousand nine do we Joe no president, Joe Biden. Do we know candidate Joe Biden, and so there's so much definition that's going to happen on these Democrats, and you're going to see the ones below those ones who are struggling to break, that single digit, like Cory Booker being the first to come out and sort of lob those attacks? And it's working for him. Look at all the attention. He's finally gotten that he had a beginning. That's where the sort of churn is gonna come from, and these poll numbers additionally, bud in the time he's been away. Welcome to the new era of outrage and instant reaction. Thank you both for your answers. Your thoughtful analysis, Shannon petty piece Eugene, Scott, pleasure to have you both on the broadcast tonight coming up the road to Miami. Takes us to a state where a world famous fish fry can help make or break a presidential hopeful. When we come back. We are now just one week out from the first presidential democratic debate here on this very network. We're continuing our series, the road to Miami, where Miami Steve Kornacki is traveling along busy. I ninety five to tell us everything we need to know about the states along the way last night. Steve was in North Carolina. Tonight, the deeper, south. The accent gets deeper. The air becomes more humid as he's crossed into the Powell meadow, state, South Carolina back at the big board tonight on national political correspondent, Steve Kornacki, Steve. I'm overdressed at this point. Bright is sweltering out there as we hit the Pell meadow state, here we are in Charleston, South Carolina. The famous pineapple fountain in Charleston home of the Charleston river dogs baseball team, the college of Charleston Cougars, and of course, Charleston, South Carolina is also the hometown of the most famous unsuccessful candidate in a South Carolina presidential primary, who am I talking about I'm talking about Stephen Colbert. You remember this? So it's two thousand eight he was at comedy, central South Carolina democratic primary. Of course, always very important in presidential races. In Kobe said, you know what I'm going to run in the South Carolina democratic primary as a favorite son candidate here he is declaring his candidacy up the road in Columbia here. He is he got on meet the press. He put down twenty five hundred dollars to get his name on the ballot. And then the state democrat said, no, we're not going to put your name there. The vote was thirteen to three and that was the end of the Stephen Colbert, presidential campaign back in two thousand eight it would have been South Carolina only campaign. Okay. So let's talk about cater to, to actually are going to be on the presidential ballot in South Carolina that critical I in the south primary coming up early next year a bunch of Democrats are going to be there this week this weekend. It's grim zero for the democratic campaign state convention, state party dinner, and I think the most important of it may be this. The Jim Clyburn, fish fry Jim Clyburn, you know, him nationally, as one of the top Democrats, in, that was he is also Mr.. South Carolina democratic politics. He's been in congress for nearly three decades. He's holding this event all the candidates are going to be there, because, you know what Jim Clyburn for you. Ideally, if you're a candidate for president running in South Carolina's primary, but you definitely don't want him against you and what I mean by that is the famous story. It was the Clinton Obama race in two thousand eight remember this when it came to South Carolina, Hillary Clinton, thought Sheena shot down there. She thought she had a shop, because the polls early on had a competitive race. She and her husband had a lot of relationships, especially with black leaders that went back to his presidency thought had a chance to win the primary there. But in the days leading up that South Carolina primary in two thousand eight Bill Clinton started attacking Barack Obama. It started to get ugly, and Jim Clyburn, who was officially neutral in that race. He spoke up and he told Bill Clinton, he said chill how Bill Clinton? He also got this line off. This was in the ninety s when Clinton was president Tony Morrison. It said he's the first black president. Jim Clyburn said, we're still. Looking for the first black president? That was back in two thousand eight that had an effect Hillary Clinton's numbers crashed in South Carolina. Bill Clinton had a lot of damage to make up for. But this was the primary result suddenly a close race became a thirty point blowout for Obama in this was the big significance to in South Carolina. No, it Obama that almost eighty percent of the black vote in South Carolina. That was the night. You knew not only about and have a real shot at the nomination. But he had a real shot at winning support like this among black voters everywhere transformed his campaign, had a lot to do with, how that campaign went in South Carolina, and it had something to do with Jim Kleiber Steve. We cannot wait for your trip to continue on south, thank you so much coming up for us. If your friends are people, you met in politics, you may need actual friends. Instead. Last thing before we go tonight, politics, isn't incredible business there. They were last night in Orlando. Marco Rubio, and Lindsey Graham, president calls them Lindsey Graham. It's all well, nothing to see here, love this guy at the podium, Donald Trump. But then our friends at deadline White House with Nicole Wallace felt it was their civic duty today to put something together just to remind us in this crazy business of politics, where we've been the brief history of Donald Trump Marco Rubio, and Lindsey Graham. It's rubio. He's always calling me little Marco, and made the guy, he's taller than me, like six to which is why I don't understand why his hands or the size of someone who's five to have you seen his, he says that I'm sweating all the time. It's hot in here. My sweating now. No. All right. He doesn't sweat he doesn't sweat because his pores clogged from the spray tan that he used to sky Lindsey Graham, you have a guy. He's one of the dumbest human beings I've ever seen. I think Lindsey Graham is a disgrace. And I think you have one of the worst representatives of any Representative in the United States. Stay in the race just stop being a jackass. You don't have to run for president and be the world's biggest jackass. Have you gave me this number and I found the card? I wrote the number down. I don't know if it's the right number. Let's try it and you know how you make America great again. Tell Donald Trump to go to hill. And so the brief political history of Marco Rubio Lindsey Graham, and one Donald Trump, that is our broadcast for this evening. Thank you so very much for being here with us. Good night from our NBC news headquarters here in New York. Hi, it's joy Reid. 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Day 1,105: Senators finally get their say in the Trump impeachment trial

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,105: Senators finally get their say in the Trump impeachment trial

"Good evening once again from our NBC. News headquarters here in New York as we begin the Eleventh Hour Day. Eleven hundred five of the trump administration that gives us two hundred seventy nine days to go until the twenty twenty presidential election indeed a new phase of the impeachment trial underway. Hey tonight senators questions. Read by the chief justice answered by the President's lawyers or house managers all the while the drama continues in the background around over a vote for witnesses. Here's how some of today's question. TIME WENT MR chief justice. I send a question to the desk counsel for the President as a matter of law. Does it matter if there was a quid pro quo. Is it true that quid pro quos. Those are often used in foreign policy and if a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest. That cannot be the kind of quid pro quo. That results in impeachment is the chief justice. I send a question to. That's the question is for the house managers. Would you please respond to the answer. That was just given by the President's council to we really you ready to say that that would be okay. At Barack Obama asked Medvedev to investigate his opponent and would withhold money from an ally that it needed to defend itself to get an investigation Mitt Romney. That's that's the parallel here. And if you say you can't hold the president accountable in an election. Shen year where they're trying to cheat in that election than you are giving them carte blanche so all pros are not the same some are legitimate Adam and some are corrupt. And you don't need to be mine reader to figure out which is which for one thing you can ask. John Bolton questioned to the desk on behalf of myself and Senator Senator Murkowski the question is counsel for the President before Vice President Biden formally entered the twenty two thousand presidential race in April Twenty nineteen did president trump ever mentioned joe or hunter Biden in connection with corruption in Ukraine to former Ukrainian president potter Shaneco or other a Ukrainian officials president trump's cabinet members or top aides or others. So I can't point to something in the record that shows president trump tom at an earlier time mentioning specifically something related to Joe or Hunter Bite. Senator Blumenthal asks did anyone in the White White House or outside the White House. Tell anyone in the White House. Counsel's Office that publication of the Bolton book would be politically problematic for the president. You know one from inside the White House or outside. The white has in told us that. The publication of the book would be problematic for the president I think we assume that Mr Bolton was disgruntled and we didn't expect he was going to be saying a lot of Nice things about the president but no one told. Is anything like that after a long day. Here for our leadoff discussion late on Wednesday night Michael Steele former chairman of the Republican a National Committee. Former lieutenant governor of Maryland he is host of the podcast that shares his name lethargic senior editor legal correspondent for slate where she also hosts host legal. PODCAST Mikus Jason Johnson politics editor over at the route and Andrew Weissmann former lead prosecutor during the Russia investigation. Working under special special counsel. Mueller also happens to be former general counsel the FBI working under then FBI Director Mueller during the Obama Presidency these days distinguished senior senior fellow at the Nyu School of law and with us from DC Shannon petty piece senior White House reporter for US NBC News Digital Good Evening. And welcome to you. All all Mr Chairman. The mantle falls to you to start us off your assessment of the party. You once chaired. Oh we get an hour. That's all the time time we have sorry. Start the drinks. Well you know. I think there were a number of times as evidenced by the clips that you showed. Where they they were little bit back with the heels and couldn't answer some very straight up important questions and that speaks to the underlying problem with their our case when when the matter we spend more time trying to go out and and bang the drum and bring in evidence and individuals who are irrelevant all of it to the process and not really focus on making the case for the President's innocence not once about today or any other time during this process if they said hey the guy didn't do it he just didn't do it and I don't know where they're getting their factual but here the facts to support that? So I think that's one side of it it but we know the rest of the story. The rest of the story is the fix is in The quota will come. There will be no more witnesses and there will be no new evidence that will be introduced. Because you're not going to get the fourth senator. You'll get that you need to get the three but that fourth senator is not gonNa land because because Mitt Mitch McConnell has such a tight grip on this process internally and is controlling those lovers in a way that he'll float some stuff out there to sort of get some wayward Fokker thinking about breaking from the pack. Which is what we've seen over the last twenty four hours and we've seen the smackdown on Fox Fox News and Breitbart and all these other places to calling out not just Bolton but anyone else Mitt Romney who's indicating they may otherwise new sissoko Shannon petty piece my favorite? GOP KNOWS COUNTER AB STODDARD is coming up later in our broadcast and I. I can't wait to take her pulse and get her poll of where she thinks. The Republicans are in your reporting this long day's journey in tonight. Where is is the optimism meter the pessimism meter among trump forces? So yesterday morning into the afternoon it looked like witnesses. This is where real possibility and folks I were talking to in the White House close to the White House sounded like they were really gearing up for a legal fight over executive privilege I I was talking to people about strategy around how they would block Bolton if he were to testify. The McConnell held a meeting with his flock after sure that it seemed like the tide started to turn. This is yesterday afternoon evening where people were saying Close to the White House. We're not throwing in the towel yet. We we know there are still maybe out there but we think we can still have the votes to block witnesses. And today there was definitely the sense that Witnesses witnesses that as Michael Steele was just saying they aren't going to get that fourth. Vote that you have a you have a collins. You have Romney possibly Murkowski's kind of on the fence wants but that Lamar Alexander for example is not coming over. That McConnell was able to tighten the ranks of behind the president and the threat of witnesses seems to have subsided cited today at least as our dialectic Democrats repeatedly seemed to be attaching their hopes and dreams to one John Roberts who literally and figuratively looms over the proceedings. What should the folks watching tonight know about the John Roberts which you know and you have covered for a living? He's exactly the John Roberts. I have covered. In fact he has made an utterly seamless transition from The Supreme Court to across the street at the Senate. He's twinkly he's affable. She is a good time keeper. I think we can say he's been very very very diligent about making sure that it's fair. But is he going to insert himself in the way that Salmon Chase inserted himself into the Andrew. Johnson impeachment trial. Is he going to be a tiebreaker. Is he going to be ruling on motions and material question now. He's going to do as much as he can to fade back and let this political process play out and really carefully preserved the integrity of the judicial branch of the Court of himself As the steward of the court but I think anyone who believed that he was going to play an outsized role in this particular proceeding. Doesn't know John Roberts. Despite the fact fact that he was mentioned easily fifty times today by mostly by house manage your speaking of the man sitting right behind them. Yeah I think that he if the sort of rubber hits the road and he has to rule on something. He will reluctantly do it. But he is under the best of circumstances not a grandiose his character he doesn't see himself as a great historical figure and I think he has at this point utter contempt for the political branches. The idea that any of the stink of this is GonNa come off on him or his court is Anathema so he will do everything he can famously his his mentor. The AH justice. He clerked for Rehnquist famously. Said I did nothing at all and I did it very well when he talked about the Clinton impeachment. I think you're GONNA see two point over that Jason Johnson for our viewers have come to know the likes of Michael Steele. Having watched all day. It is still gutting to hear the likes of Michael Steele. Say the fixes in. Yes what happens to your side. If the witness vote goes down if you have an acquittal perhaps all in time for the super ripple so I will say this I I am on the side of the American people and I'm on the side of history in history will look shamefully upon this. His rule look shamefully upon John. Roberts the way he sat there through this process. It's a city sort of fading in the back. It's like imagine being a restaurant where you're getting really terrible service and you keep saying out out loud man. If only the manager the manager reduce something and managers right there and he's watching as you're being misserved. Everything's coming out wrong. That is essentially what he's done. I I think the American people already know the fixes in the long term consequences of that are going to be increased cynicism about how this country works. The short short term consequences of it are a bunch of Republicans will probably keep their jobs by hugging on to Donald Trump. But I think that is a dangerous precedent to set. Because if we're only going to live our lives. Is it twenty five miles per hour for only going to live our lives by the next election cycle. We will be incapable. Even this government will be incapable of producing the kind of legislation in life. Life that Americans need so. That's the most disturbing part of this is such a bunch of short sighted people who don't recognize the history or the significance of what they're doing counselor. I need you you to speak about a fellow lawyer that would be professor Dershowitz. Who seemed if this person is correct in his argument to contend the president if he does something he or she does something illegal in service to his or her reelection it being in the public interest? It's not Eddie. Legal your swipe at his argument so the big picture that if the Senate actually agrees on that we are in so much trouble beyond just whether the Senate's GonNa flip or what's going to happen in the next election. What was said today today in Congress on the Senate floor of the United States of America is there is no difference between his personal interest and the state interest tryst and the argument was he is the state? I made this point earlier. which is that phrase? which is I am? The state comes from Louis the fourteenth that's tossed same Wa that was a despot that is being touted in the United States of America. The twenty first century on in Congress Congress and. What's outrageous is didn't have an uproar? You didn't have a whole bunch of questions saying that is absolutely anti-aesthetic to the constitution. Shen Senator Chris Murphy. Democrat of Connecticut has made himself available to us after the gavel senator. Where is your optimism? Awesome or pessimism meter as you look across the aisle. Do you see as many yes. Votes knowing it's a paltry few as many votes as you saw before proceedings got gaveled underway. Well importantly this was the first day in which she got to talk about John Bolton so the news broke yesterday day but today was the first day that the house managers could really put the pressure on House for the Senate Republicans to do what is right to follow their duty as constitutional officers and seek the truth and so I think that there were a lot of Republicans squirming in that chamber today as they saw what was going to be coming for them if they had to go back to their constituents and explain why they refuse to hear testimony from the most key individual available to testify as the president's role in this corruption option and so I don't know what the votes going to be witnesses until Friday. I think the pieces are moving every single day and every single hour of every single day but today was the day that the pressure really got put on Republicans in a big way. You say they're squirming and yet I've got the former party chair next to me who just said of McConnell's annals ability to whip his membership. The fix is in so I have to ask you a hypothetical if the witness vote goes down if this all goes down and is cleared cleared up and out of out of the Senate. Perhaps in time for Sunday's football game what are the consequences to you for the Senate for the country and for things like balance of power. Well I think there's going to be hell to pay both for those vote for this cover up but for our country free as well by essentially whitewashing the truth By turning the Senate trial in to just one big partisan cover up. I don't know that we'll ever be able to recover this obligation that this has but I don't know the Republicans are going to be able to explain this. I mean I think the president wants this this done by the state of the Union so he can engage in some big celebration. But that's not going to happen. Because eighty percent of the American public including lots of Donald Trump supporters. Don't believe this is a fair trial. Don't believe it's a real acquittal unless there are witnesses and the more we learn about John Bolton testimony and by the way we're GONNA learn a lot more about it they're going to be more leaks ahead of the release of the book and then when the book comes out we're going to know everything it's going to sour this process even more. It's going to cause even more Americans even those that might be willing to vote for Donald trump to feel very angry about the way that their constitution was abused. So I think we don't know. Aw everything about how this is going to play out but I guarantee you. It's going to be very bad politically. But very bad from a policy perspective for the country as well final question for our audience senator and remind those watching your personal history with Ukraine. Why this is a meaningful debate to you so I've been working on? US US Ukraine policy. For the better part of the decade I was there with John McCain during the revolution of dignity when the Soviet back to leader when the Russian leader was kicked out of that country and I was there just last fall when I told the president's Linski that he would damage the US Korean relationship if he got involved in an American and he told me in that meeting that he had no intention to get involved but he knew the damage that we've done to Ukraine if they got somehow integrated into the president's reelection effort and so this whole idea that the Republicans are trying to spread on the floor of the Senate. That is Alinsky fellow pressure. Why was there I heard him? Tell me and Senator Johnson how important it was for him to resist this pressure. He was this feeling it. He knew the damage that would be done to his country and now that story is out for all the year Senator Chris Murphy Democrat of Connecticut. Thank very much for coming to our camera after this long session today. Back to Shannon petty piece in Washington Shannon this morning because these days feel like years. I feel the need to remind everybody. It was Lindsey Graham. Who seemed to be saying publicly to the President Ixnay on the Bolton criticism because this plays into a plotline? You won't like Speak to what you've learned today on the White House from just the trunch of this that deals with John Bolton so there is definitely a twitter venting this morning about John Bolton. I talked to someone close to me at the president's thinking they said often he has to use twitter as a way to vent to get things off his chest and then once he does that he's able to to carry on with other business so they viewed this as a sort of venting air clearing that the president had to put out there about a about Bolton and then could move on he had a a big event at the White House today was the signing of the New Mexico Canada trade deal but even there you could tell impeachment was very much on his mind he he jokingly referenced a number of times that he had to be nice to the senators who are at this event and only the senators and he didn't need the the house members to be nice. It's them anymore because they didn't need their votes. He made an effort to give pens to all the senators again joking that he needed to have the senators on his side. So impeachment is clearly clearly on his mind he has a rally he's going to be giving tomorrow Thursday night where he'll get another opportunity to open up about this. And then of course the state of the Union so while even while the White House has tried to divert attention away from things like John Bolton with a trade deal signings or peace plan the president. Of course I can never stop himself from waiting into it. And that's something. We'll continue to the Intel process that is completely played out trust. You'll forgive my use of the term from British common. COMMON-LAW IXNAY was all in the course of telling a story Shannon Petty Peace. Only because you've been working on deadline all day. You are at long last allowed to go go our thanks as well. Everyone else on the panel staying with us yet another. US senator preparing to join us when our special coverage continues after this break. If you don't know your numbers you don't Know Your Business. 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Earn an Ukraine to the by the transcript. They WANNA move quickly the president from office or going inside impeachment with the reporters. NBC News Article Two inside impeachment by me. Steve Search Nail. Wherever you're you're listening in subscribed is there any precedent for this blanket? Refusal to cooperate and what are the consequences if the Senate Senate accepts this position here. President trump issued a blanket order directing the entire executive branch to withhold all documents and testimony from the House of Representatives. It was this order. was categorical is indiscriminate. Unprecedented that question in just read aloud by the chief justice was posed and ridden down on the card by our next guest joining us from Capitol Hill. Senator Chris Coons Democrat of Delaware. Who serves serves on Senate judiciary our panel also remains here with us in New York senator? You're a good nose counter to how many Republicans are yes votes in that chamber or do you think well the question. That's right in front of us. Now that we'll be working through and debating is how many might vote for witnesses. How many might say say we want a fair trial and in particular? We'd like to hear from John Bolton I think that is between three and five at this moment but frankly there is a bit of exhaustion setting in because of the ten hour day. We just had the ninety questions that we ground through. It has put a sharp focus on on areas that are unresolved and we're having an eyewitness someone who was literally in the room where it happened come forward and answer. The question did president and trump actually order withholding this vitally needed aid Ukraine in order to leverage it for his own political benefit. If we could have an answer to that from John Bolton I I think that would go a long way towards helping the American people and the members of the Senate feel that this was an actual fair trump. Of course then you had a guy with a DA after his name Senator Manchin from your caucus say this morning. It started off the the news cycle that he wouldn't mind hearing from hundred Biden so so the big question has been at the end of the day. We'll Republicans especially those in the moderate sort. Actually want to take that vote. I doubt they would because frankly he's not relevant. What we've seen over and over today is ways in which in the steadily building pressure for testimony by John Bolton or documents like the notes have ambassador Taylor would actually answer the question? What happened happened in the White House? And what did the president do. When president trump issued an order to freeze and withhold aid from Ukraine he didn't call anyone named Biden? There was has no one named Biden working for him in the White House. He discussed it with Mick Mulvaney And with John Bolton and there are two other folks that we've been trying to to get in front of the Senate who work also in the White House who carry these orders out. We don't have the documents and we don't have the witnesses. I'm not sure why. My colleague Confronts Senator Manchin would think it'd be constructive or relevant to go outside and bring in outside concerns which frankly Republicans try pretty hard on the floor of the Senate to bring up over and over today but no matter how many times they bring up the name Biden that doesn't make that directly relevant to the issues that that are in front of us. What's most relevant is getting to the bottom of what the president did and didn't do and frankly Brian very striking development? Just in the last day was was that the former chief of staff General John Kelly publicly said I believe John Bolton that suggests that he was in the room as chief of staff for similar incidents where he saw president trump order things or make decisions about things that should trouble the American people and make us in the Senate here want to hear from relevant witnesses. Senator Chris Coon Democrat of Delaware. Thank you very much senator. COONS for joining US tonight after again. A very very long day. Yeah Thank you Jason. It occurred to us today. On the Bolton question you can pre-order his testimony. We went on Amazon on and the hardcover I think is twenty nine twenty five yes there. It is publication date. It's out march seventeenth. Lot of the story is going to be right in that that book. So what will cory Gardner have to say to the people of a state like. Oh I don't know Colorado when we're able to thumb through that right and see what the potential testimony could have been what he will say that the People Colorado is trump trump trump trump trump back. Because that's that's literally his. Yeah exactly. It's a former pig Latin. So that's that's his only way of operating. He said that Donald Trump is going to be my a protective shield. And despite the fact that you have not just bulletin but there there are other people who are corroborating this he he. He spoke to the head of the form relations committee in the House and say hey you should investigate this more. What more people are coming through in adding evidence and adding information to what Donald Trump is being impeached about in the senators who've decided whether it's MC sally whether it's collins anyone on who was a part of this cover up and conspiracy is going to have to answer the public but but I want to put this out there because this this goes to what we mentioned earlier if the president does something in his own interest it basically please take a plot from house of cards if the president decides of trump decides two weeks before the election to talk to Disentis and Florida and and talk to Republican governor of Ohio? So you know what. Let's just shutdown voting booths. I think the corona virus might get it from a public interest. We should have people voting and all these locations. It's dangerous what do we do. Then this is this is literally what they're talking about. If you don't stop this president from cheating now he will cheat again. And that's what I think is so disturbing about the Cory Gardner. I was in college and everybody else in the Senate who sees a man who clearly says I will cheat again and they do nothing about what sad about that folks in my party would go. Oh he would would never do that. That's just that's just liberal hogwash. You're just making that Samaria. What's the old moving bar of? He would never do that here with. I think the most important something that came out of today's conversation or QNA was the fact that White House counsel in their official capacity as White House counsel and certainly as counsel for the president look the country in the eye and said that any candidate AH canal go to a foreign government and say if you've got dirt on my opponent let me have it because like in the president's incidents where it's well I think that that's good information so all you senators out there get ready you just opened up a Pandora's box of hell because coming up in your next this fall a number of you are going to be up and campaigns and where that information comes. We'd want to hear you complain. We don't WanNa hear you moan and ingrown just suck it up and suck it down because you got to live with what you're doing tonight because that's that's the heart of this thing Andrew so little inside baseball -aseball someone who is former DJ. The fact that it was White House counsel is really interesting because this issue that the personal is political calling the political. It's personal that you're the president is. The state is embodied in the presidential team. That's arguing this is one thing to have Dershowitz and private counsel council. Make these arguments. Because that's what they do. That's what private counsel space. Jeju is shocking as somebody. Who's been in the Department of Justice for years to see people? Who are you're paid by the public? These are public officers arguing. Not just the half of the White House in the White House is interest. That would be fine but to me making arguments that are so flatly contradicted by the law. That no responsible public servant would be making that and that's because there is absolutely no daylight between clean White House counsel and and private counsel which is a wall that when Don mcgann was there you saw there but that's completely gone very beginning any of this and for those who enjoy citing story to see says law can last a long time arguments that form predicates can last I good longtime and leave a mark. I think to me the staggering shift that I saw today that I I'm still trying to sort of take in is is all due respect to the senators. We didn't talk about John Bolton today today. We stopped talking about John Bolton because the response from the president's lawyers was we don't need to hear what he has to say because whatever he has to say whatever. The president did was legal. That's what changed today. Quid pro quo is legal. Doing whatever you want in your own interest is legal conflating the interests of you as a candidate and the country is legal. All of that is okay and I think if you and it goes to Andrew's point the minute you've it just accepted that all of that is the same thing. We don't need to hear from John Bolton they're saying because he's just going to confirm something that we all agree even if it happened. It's completely permissible. Holy cow that as a precedent going forward that is bone chilling. That is probably where we you should end this particular discussion enough for tonight. Our thanks to Michael Steel today Olympic to Jason Johnson to Andrew Weissmann. It's been it's been a day. Thank you gang coming up the Senate's. QNA puts the squeeze on Democrats with time running out. Let's not forget in and I awoke the first contest of the political season. That when we come back a lot of what the Democrats had been raising alleging an illegal quid. Pro Quo was not in fact. Backed up by the transcript gripped quid. Pro Quo doesn't matter. It's a red herring. It doesn't matter. If there was a quid pro quo or not. The reason is a president is always justified. Justified and in fact has a responsibility to investigate credible evidence of corruption. Note that just over three months ago senator. Ted Cruz himself characterized the potential quid pro quo as illegal but Ted Cruz as we first learned after he was savaged by Donald Trump during during the campaign is capable of rapid change. What remains to be seen as how a no vote on? Witnesses will affect those running in twenty twenty with an r after their names with us for more Ab stoddard associate editor and columnist for real clear politics and Mike Murphy. Republican strategist and and codirector of the Center for the political future at the University of Southern California. But I'm looking forward to this segment talking to you both good evening and welcome to you. Both Breath A. B.. We had you on with your list of a dozen senators to watch your among the best nose counters especially in that party especially among the vulnerable ours up for reelection. Where do you put as of tonight? The votes for witnesses. Well I think that it's it remains volatile as we listen to everyone asking answering questions Sion's today what everyone who's following this closely was thinking about was when John Bolton got a tweet announcement interviews sixty minutes or something to circumvent with the White House is trying to do to block book so much can change between now and the vote but Mitch McConnell's calculation has to take into account that the senators up for reelection election in Colorado North Carolina and Arizona. Told everyone at the lunch yesterday. They were in a panic. They don't want witnesses. They don't WanNA dragged out. They want this to end. That doesn't mean witnesses not the right way to hold his Senate majority. That's what the Wall Street Journal editorial told him yesterday. And although the focus remains on Lamar Alexander as this one institutionalists who could join the free riders like Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski. There is certainly other people. Mike Enzi and Pat Roberts also retiring who Mitch McConnell could bring in to join with Lamar Alexander Murkowski and Romney. And then Susan Collins wouldn't be the first vote in order to be able to say they approved of witnesses. Because they know John Bolton's going to say is going to damage their campaigns hanes and that way they had a fair process and then they vote to acquit. It's a better way to protect his Senate majority than allowing these people to go out and say no. I need to shut it down right now. The outcome should not determine the process that in itself could damage their majority and produce a democratic Senate next year. What's the numeric the chances of what you just described actually happening well? It's a long time between now and Friday. It's slim I'm just saying the vote. The votes are there Mitch. McConnell if he decides much to trump's unhappiness that witnesses are necessary to tell the voting public. We had a fair trial. Like I said I I know the votes and I just listed them that he could pull without making Martha Rhythm. Exceleye vote for witnesses and so it's a way of of having his cake and eating it too slim shot but it would be strategic and it would get the job done then they go onto all acquit fascinating. Mike Murphy the Business Card that says minority leader is just not as impressive. Best one that says Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell has grown to love handing out the latter. Is this gonNA come down to. Would you want to be Donald Trump's best friend or continue as majority leader. Yeah I think McConnell in the end will do the most pragmatic everything he can to save the majority and there is a bit of a debate. AB alluded to it. One theory was Cory Gardner. One of those endangered senators in Colorado. Argue argued was shut at this thing down quickly. The problem is the only threat of hope somebody like that. Has Bad trump state. I trump is not a shield in Colorado. A shield of trump is the shield of Balsa wood democratic state so he needs to say it was legit trial and then exonerated the president well. It's not a legit trial. You suppress witnesses. So the fact we know right now is Mitch. McConnell the best boat counter in the Senate does not have enough to shutdown witnesses. That could change the pressures on but knowing Mitch. He's a pretty good three dimensional chess player so I think if they get to the four which they could the three that were mentioned. Maybe Lamar Mar.. Then others may pile on to take the political cover of look. Hey I voted for a fair trial. We let the Democrats take the great trader Bolton and smear the president but you know we heard it all and it was not up. He was acquitted now. We go fight it on the election and by the way the Democrats wouldn't let Joe Biden in there so then they get to go on offense on witnesses so Mitch I think will either if he thinks he can hold it off the will but if not expect a big move to shove a lot of chips in here and make it bolden but whereas Biden Haydn to give the Republicans bloody shirts wave about Joe Biden. Particular does well on Monday and becomes the clear front runner in the democratic contests. Abe Can you just normal in los up help us find true north again and remind our viewers. How crazy it is that in twenty twenty? We're having a conversation about John. John Bolton's a great liberal hope right. This is extraordinary. John Bolton is tight with Ted Cruz. He's tied with Mitt Romney. He's tight with Mitch McConnell. They all he has the respect of all of them in the in the Senate Conference Republican Conference. This is a very hard box to be when they no. He's a truth teller. They know the president lies constantly an compulsively and they know that he's an `institutionalised and and what he's doing is brave because he probably is going to end any prospects of working again in Republican politics and so for them to go out and try. You know they're really wincing and trying not to trash them leaving it to Fox News but it is a very awkward position for them to be especially since we've seen to New York Times reports now indicating just just how damaging the revelations in the book are going to be so this is. This is not fun and I've I've just really imagined the phone conversations. These last few months Let alone the wild one between John Bolton and Eliot Engel the Jimmy Carter Chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee when he basically smoked Out Rudy and trump to a democratic chairman but What these conversations must be like them just hoping they don't have to in the end be mad at his book revelations Sion's because He has definitely earned their respect and they know that he's doing it for patriotic reasons. And that's why John. Kelly said he believed him and not the President Mike Murphy. I hate to involve another party in this conversation. But where do you put Iowa which as we recall is coming up just Monday night. Well you know we're all dictate to the polls like heroin. The thing to remember is these polls are done now in a combination of Internet polling and telephone calls and the hardest thing to do in Iowa right now. It get anybody to answer the phone because they've got zillions of Hey. Don't forget to turn out to our meeting for the caucus calls going on. But the data does show the Bernie Sanders has profited profited from Elizabeth Warren's decline. I don't know which of the four are going to finish at the top but I think the top two at this point looks pretty likely to be Bernie and somebody I I also think and this'll be a big thing on election night we're going to be reporting the raw vote like a primary not just delegates formula to get to the delegates. They're more important to get nominated donated but to own the news coverage raw vote counts. And that's where Bernie has a slight advantage in college towns. He may have huge numbers of people show up for relatively actively few delegates awarded but he could win and raw numbers the combat night. And that'll be the story so I think it'll be burning in somebody and will that's somebody being anti Bernie like Biden Leiden or a Buddha judge or would it be Elizabeth Warren up there with him where we're going to know a lot about the democratic rates Tuesday. AB and forty five seconds of brilliance has your view of Bernie's potential electability changed one iota. And on the he's electable but I think that he has mice right he's taken. Elizabeth Warns Vote. He's profited offended off that. That's good for him. He's consolidating it. We just have to see if the moderate wing is as strong as they've been saying they all the last few months to Ab stoddard. And Mike Murphy might be Just go ahead Mike. No this quickly. There's this Republican bubble that Bernie can't be elected and I think he's risky. But that's what they said about an actor name Reagan and a reality show host named trump in the world we are in now with grievance candidates. I think it is not impossible. Bernie centers could win a general election. All right you leave us thinking as you often do Mike Murphy. Ab Thank you. This is exactly why we wanted to have you both on for this conversation conversation. Another break for us more of our special coverage coming up next. This is an incredibly important decision to the country. And the idea that we're not gonNA GONNA do it because we wanted this trial over by the Super Bowl by the state of the Union. You know we're just tired of it I I just I can't imagine that Twenty years from now people are going to look back and say yeah. I didn't really want to hang around an extra week. That was a good reason to vote to get it over with I just I I can't. I can't accept that John. Bolton has now thrown a wrench into trump's impeachment trial which has been a major topic of discussion amongst trump's most trusted advisers Fox News. Now what's interesting. Is that not too long ago. John Bolton was clearly part of the Fox family joining us now Fox News contributor former. US Ambassador to the UN. John Bolton who better to bring in the American enterprise it's skull ambassador busted John. Bolton Ambassador Bolton Dec- you good morning to you good evening ambassador. Merry Christmas we love seeing each and every day ambassador. John Bald is being walked to the studio by standpoint. The third period take a look. John Bolton Lifelong Lifelong Republican former Fox News on air contributor may not find the welcome to be quite as warm the next time. He appears on Fox News. I think John Bolton is a disgruntled very angry fired employee who now stands to make millions of dollars testimony. I'm not today recognizing ising the guy that I thought I knew John. Bolton himself has been reduced to a tool for the radical Muslims and the deep state. Somebody's trying to increase book sales. The Wall Street Three Journal told the John Bolton. Won't you tell us what you know. What's on your mind so John? You've kind of thrown the country into a ditch. Here next up we recap everything. You may have missed on another long day's journey into tonight a historic day in Washington when our special coverage continues use the president's now former chief of staff general. Kelly doesn't believe the president of the United States he believes John Bolton Alta. Can everybody be disgruntled. Can it all be a matter of bias so you want to be present. I've watched many candidates for their party's nomination but only a few knew how to get it paying for this microphone. My podcast is about what it takes to get the nomination. Six episodes six timeless themes that separate the few winners from the many losers lives and the dream shall never die. So you WANNA be President with Chris Matthews and M._S._N._B._C.. PODCAST searched now wherever you're listening and subscribe. I two episodes available now.

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Twelve hundred five of the trump administration. One hundred seventy nine days to go until our next presidential election. And let's set the scene. I tonight today. The president welcomed Republican members of Congress in the state dining room. The president was seated directly in front of the fireplace and just beneath the inscription from John. Adams that says may none but honest to end wisemen ever rule under this roof and from that place the president said this about the corona virus quote. I feel about vaccines the way I feel about ten. This is going to go away without a vaccine. And we're not gonNA see it again and that is not true as we go into this weekend with close to eighty thousand dead in this country after we lost just under two thousand people just today. It is more important than ever to point out. This is not just going to go away and from that same room. The president went on to say some people. Don't want our country to come back for political reasons. Then he said quote the real people and he defined the real people as those who want this country to be great and great again. They want to get back as he puts it more on the president's comments in moments but as we delve back into the real world now we tested three hundred thousand people today in our country of three hundred. Twenty seven million give or take and the death toll tonight stands at seventy seven thousand nine hundred seventy four the state of Georgia. The first day to undergo a so-called reopening is currently seeing a forty percent spike in corona virus cases. This is the weekend remember. So many states are poised to relax restrictions part of the president's campaign to reopen the country during an active pandemic and on a day when we learned of a second positive case in the president's circle in the West wing of the White House more on that in a moment but first here. Just FOR CLARITY. Is the president from today again beneath the quote left behind for us all from John Adams the first president to live in the People's House. I think some people don't want really to come back for political reasons which is sick but the people the real people the people that want this country to be great and great again. We can say they want to get back and we're going to have embers. We're GONNA have fires. We're going to have things to put out. We'll put them out. We learned a lot. You know things that we had no idea two months ago. We've learned a lot over the last couple of months and we're going to do a job like like nobody seen before. I feel about vaccines like I feel about test. This is going to go away. Some diamond for all years have flare ups. Maybe maybe not but according to what a lot of people say you probably will be able to put them out and now to the damage. That is behind the drive to come back. The virus has already wiped out a decade of job. Gains were now in the throes of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression Labor Department says more than twenty million people lost their jobs and April. That's the largest one month drop in. Us history unemployment rate has soared to fourteen point seven percent the worst since nineteen thirty three when it reached twenty five just this morning. The president predicted a swift rebound. Those jobs will all be back at. It will be back very soon and next year. We're GONNA have a phenomenally. That view is not shared by a lot of economists. As we mentioned there is another case of corona virus within the trump inner circle the press secretary for Mike Pence Katie. Miller today. Confirm she tested positive. One day after testing negative. She happens to be married to. Stephen Miller speechwriter architect of the trump immigration policy. Tonight the White House said Miller had tested negative for corona for covert nineteen. Just yesterday we learned a military steward for president. Trump had also tested positive tonight political reports. Fda Steven Hahn has tested negative after coming into contact with Katie Miller. But tonight we are told he is still quarantining nonetheless. Here's a photo from a pence event. Yesterday showing on the right and unmasked Katie Miller speaking to members of the traveling press corps trump said he hadn't come into contact with Katie Miller and said he and Pensa both tested negative our network reports. The White House has now adopted new measures to try to safeguard against further infections including offering testing and contact tracing exactly what so many municipalities would very much like to be able to do keep in mind only roughly two and a half percent of all Americans have been tested. These new measures also include requiring White House staff who served the president who are close to him throughout the workday to wear face coverings. Trump himself was again without a mask today while honoring World War Two veterans on this the seventy fifth anniversary of the day the man in addition to being treasured American citizens of course happened to be in a high risk group due to old age. You're with seven American heroes earlier today. These World War. Two hours all in their in their nineties. Did you consider wearing a mask when you were with them? Because I was very far away. Appreciate the question hour very far away from them as you know I would've loved to got up and hugged them because they great. I had a conversation with everyone but we were very far away. You saw plus. The wind was blowing so hard and such a direction that have ever reached them. Might be very surprised. The wind was howling. And I didn't see anybody with mascot. Or No. Maybe they were but they were great conversations with them but I was standing as you noticed. Would you say I was quite far away? Meanwhile the Associated Press has new information tonight on a story broke yesterday regarding. Cdc Advice on how states should begin. Reopening the says it has obtained internal government emails that say quote the decision to shelve detailed advice from the nation's top disease control experts for reopening communities during the corona virus pandemic came from the highest levels of the White House files also show that after the AP reported Thursday the Guidance Document had been buried trump administration ordered key parts of it to be fast tracked for approval. Our network has not seen these. Emails has not confirmed the story. As we mentioned most dates will be reopening in some form or fashion this coming weekend. Ask For New York the epicenter of the pandemic in this country. The Governor says finally. The beast is on the run. The good news on the overall is we're finally ahead of this virus numbers coming down in New York. I get the emotion. Everybody would like to see everything reopen tomorrow but you tell me what the viruses doing you. Tell me the facts on the virus out. Tell you what we can do in terms of reopening here for our leadoff discussion. On the last night of the week John Holloman National Affairs analysts co host of the circus on showtime editor in chief over at the recount Shannon Petty Piece of veteran journalists senior White House reporter for us at NBC News Digital. And we welcome to our broadcast Neil Irwin. He's senior economics correspondent for the New York Times where he writes for the upshot the time site for analysis of politics and Economics and the intersection of each Shannon. I'd like to begin with you now. It's close someone close to the president. Someone close to the vice president testing positive. The president among all the staff members refusing to wear a mask. I'm tempted to ask what could go wrong but mostly I'm tempted to ask how much closer visit need to get well. This is almost as close as it can get aside from being You know having a member of his direct family Infected the valet who we reported earlier on this week was infected with someone who is serving the president's meals who was in very close contact Sources tell us throughout the day up until the day he was sick Katie Miller the vice president's spokesperson is someone who is in on the Krona Task Force meetings on the president. The vice president said they don't have close contact with her. But you can see there in that photo traveling with the vice president Just yesterday So many of us have experienced this where someone in our family or someone in our workplace becomes infected Get sick and we know that feeling will. I'm told that the feeling that's going on in the West Wing right now that that things finally got real in the White House this week and I don't think we know yet what the full changes in ramifications of that are going to be But are reporting indicates that the president was very upset when he found out about one of his ballets infected earlier. This week felt his staff was joined enough to protect him. And now we're seeing them. Put some measures in place. Like having staffers where math than There were some reporters who were tested today. One of the few times. They've actually may testing available to reporters But I next week we're going to see a little bit more of what sort of could have on the president perspective on all of this John. Indeed it got worse tonight kaitlan Collins over at CNN reporting that the personal assistant to Ivanka has tested positive for covert nineteen The upshot is at least the White House can boast about having the best testing anywhere in the United States though John Mask wearing has devolved like everything else into things red and things blue were seeing a blind quotes emerged from the West Wing this week. That masks are for panicked liberals was this to be expected hundred percent. It was be expected. Brian and I think you from the moment that the president that verse time came out and said I won the back on the daily Corona virus briefings. We're still happening. And he was still attending them on on a daily basis. He came out and said you know maths or a good idea You should probably wear one but I'm not going to. I think no one watching that day did not think to themselves. This is going to lead to a bad place The president is you know having covered a lot of White House. The president sets a lot of has authority of many many many kinds in the White House in the West Wing and one of them is the power of example. And when you see the president you listen if you work in that building you listen to what the President says you also watch what he does and I think especially in this west wing where the the people there are although they often leak and they often backed by they often backstab. They're very loyal. And in some cases. Agile Tori towards the president. I think as soon as they looked at saw he was going to wear one. Most of them are not going to wear them either. And that of course as you say now as part of a larger political cultural ideological overlay around the country but the prices now going to get paid no one is immune to this virus. You pointed out a number of times the viruses Nazi red and blue and the White House. Learning right now neil are one. I have two questions for you right off the bat by way of welcoming you into our humble confines number one. How bad does this get? I'm guessing everyone asks you some form of that question and number two. How many of these jobs to quote the great lyric ain't coming back so this is extraordinarily bad unemployment numbers. We got this morning. Are really the tip of the iceberg. These are numbers based on surveys from the second week of April. That's already nearly a month ago. It's gotten worse since then. This is a catastrophe of unemployment across the United States. Your question. When will these jobs come back when how? I think? This is really not something that economists can answer. This really depends on. To what degree CAN PEOPLE FEEL SAFE? Going to work going to stores going to restaurants and as long as that's not the case we're going to see depressed employment we might see a little bounce back as some of the shutdowns ease in some states but the idea that this economy will be anything other than depressed a long as. I don't feel comfortable engaging. The routine routines of commerce is is really a pipedream not how it works and is there a percentage to put on these job losses. That are as economists. Like to say hopefully temporary so officially there are numbers. How many people think they're temporarily employed? It's something like eighteen. Million Out of the twenty million people who are who are currently unemployed in the last report came out this morning. The problem is in normal times. That means something if people say I'm just temporarily not working but I still have this job to go back to but what we don't know is how many businesses won't exist in a few months if this goes on and how many of these jobs people think they might be able to go back to are not going to exist. If restaurants all kinds of organizations companies go under or have to radically scale back from where they were just two months ago and so I don't take a lot of solace in that the White House did you know. There's some reason to think that Oh eighteen. Eighteen million out of the twenty or temporary. But these are not. These are unusual times. And I think there's reason to think that is going to be a more lasting kind of damage than we've seen him ask for sessions so Shannon petty piece from your vantage point covering this White House. What is left in the president's toolbox To other than talking up the economy talking up quote getting back Especially since on the unemployment and death toll front he's been of late using the Scorsese and it is what it is. Well I mean I think that Kinda hits the nail in the head that we're now in a stage where there's not that much the White House can do really they've really. I mean. Of course everyone can come up with things they can do but they pulled a lot of the big levers they can pull economically There's things talking about liability waivers so giving companies protection so if they reopened and someone gets sick they can't get sued but that's not necessarily something they can do with an executive order for the entire. Konami others tax cuts. That seems to be the president's really go to move now let's cut the payroll tax cut capital gains tax Force that requires Congress and this administration has not shown that they can really bring people together and build bridges in Congress to get a big piece of legislation. Passed on and on the front with the virus You know they've they've shifted so much focused towards reopening the economy That I didn't even really hear that much. Talk within the administration. About what are we going to do to try and get these numbers down these twenty five thousand cases that were still seeing a give or take a thousand every day John Holloman. I'm going to read to you. What Matthew Dowd tweeted earlier this afternoon and I quote exactly. What can the incumbent president run on? He can't run on the economy. He can't run on healthcare. He can't run as a moral leader. He can't run on bringing the country together. He can't run on leaders he put in power. He can't run on justice. Exactly what can he run on when I posed that question to someone already actively involved in the anti trump campaign effort I got a two word answer back China and Mexico you concur? I do Brian I think there's something close to that simple. I think he no. This isn't going to be. This election was already setting up to be an election where donald trump was going to try to change the terms of the election from pure referendum on himself into a choice between him and Joe Biden and then seek to disqualify Joe Biden. That's the standard unpopular incumbents playbook. It's Barack Obama did to Mitt Romney in two thousand twelve George W Bush to John Carey in two thousand four Bill Clinton did it Bob Dole in one thousand nine hundred ninety six. That's what he was going to do. That's when he when he had a strong economy to run on and had that anymore. And so now you have the same playbook except on the economic side trump making some kind of a hypothetical prospective theoretical argument that as he says over and over again. I built the world's greatest economy an odd moment. Wanted to rebuild it. That's one side of the argument and the other side is Joe. Biden is horrible and a big chunk of that will be about China and we saw the president's ads this week. The big ten million dollar ad by they did this week. That is all focused on Biden China. But there will be other parts of the disqualification attempts on Biden. Many of them much more personal and many of them much more vicious than that nealer when The Tel on when the president has learned a new phrase that has been said in his presence. Is He then uses it daily? I'm going to play this for you. What he has learned to call the coming third. Quarter of twenty twenty. I think that Third Quarter. It's obviously a transition quarter. Third Quarters Transitional. It's a translating into. But it's a very transitional period. I think the transition's gonna be really terrific. A very strong transition beautiful hopefully very good transition verse successful transition tremendous Transition you could almost say transition into greatness. I call it the transition degrade. But that's the slogan transition degrade this Neil What is the third quarter looking like to you There is a real possibility that we're going to get a Yo yo effect so suppose you have something. That's at one hundred and goes to eighty and then it comes back to ninety going from eighty hundred ninety. It feels like a really big increase but it still. You're still way below where you were. And that's what we might have second quarter. That's the April may June quarter. It's going to be terrible licked. Horrendous numbers all across the board there is a real possibility that in the third quarter which is July August September. We kind of come back somewhat. And we have that. Kinda you'll you'll effect that makes the headlines in September October right before the election. Look like we're getting some progress in getting a rebound that said the odds are that the economy is going to be way below where it was for. This all began that we're still going to be functioning at very high levels of employment very low levels. Gdp ended What we're seeing is just kind of a statistical artifact when these things bounce around I that's not what the president means but I think that's. What most economists who really look carefully expect us to see over the months ahead our thanks to nealer window. Shannon Petty Peace and John Heilmann always valued member of this kitchen cabinet coming up. The Corona virus gets as close to the president and vice president as you can get. Will that change anything and later? The struggle over how when to reopen things. We'll hear from two mayors living it when we continue. I think by Memorial Day weekend we will largely have this Corona virus epidemic. That was just April twenty fourth. The prediction probably not going to come. True considering cases are on the rise across our country as we wait for things to get better. Two thirds of our nation agrees. The country should not be reopened. This is according to the latest polling but behind the numbers a stark partisan divide. That will surprise. No-one ninety two percent of Democrats agree and immediate opening is not worth sacrificing public safety only thirty five percent of Republicans agree with that back with us again tonight. Dr Van Gupta. He's an er Docs specializing in exactly these kinds of illnesses. Also an affiliate assistant professor with the University of Washington's Department of Health Metrics Sciences. So doctor we have to positive cases in the West Wing we learn tonight Ivanka. Trump's personal assistant tested positive. If you were White House physician a job where you yes. Take Care of the staff but you basically have one patient. Would you have that patient wearing a mask and taking greater precautions during the workday that only for the president's own health which is important obviously for the entire country that the president remains healthy and safe but also for him setting an example? We need the president to stop the mixed messages on mass. I appreciated the second that you just had because he talked extensively but these mixed messages vice president hence at Mayo Clinic. Senator Paul the only senator in the entire chamber to test positive for Kobe. Nineteen comes back to Capitol Hill. The only senator not to wear a mask governors of wine great initial strength on basks in for reopening of Ohio. Walk that back. We need whether you're red or blue doesn't matter masks science behind it. It's a critical part of a return to normalcy strategy. In it starts with the President I WANNA play for you and our audience a comment. The president made today and have you react to it on the other side. I feel about vaccines like I feel about test. This is going to go away without a vaccine. It's going to go away and it's we're not going to see it again. Hopefully after a period of time what evidence have you seen that this is going to go away without a vaccine? Just rely on what doctors say. They say it's going to go. That doesn't mean this year doesn't mean it's going to be gun frankly by the full or after the fall but eventually it's going to go away the question is will we need a vaccine. At some point it will probably go away by itself. Doctor is it going to go away by itself. Do we not need a vaccine so the doctors that I listened to the experts that I listened to and the lived reality obscene in the I see was that it absolutely is not percival Brian. As we've talked about we're flying blind we have saliva testing now. Thank God now. We'll have home testing capabilities. Maybe we'RE GONNA get to mass testing. That was a piece of great news. We're flying in the blind and any forecasting model says. Look it's GonNa take a while for us to get to hurt immunity when most of the population we think will have been exposed. So when does that time actually What does that actually GonNa Happen? We're not thinking it's twenty twenty two. Potentially we're thinking social distancing may be required intermittently until then some of who the president is listening to when when he's quoting statements but let's their five false. I'm glad you mentioned the new saliva test approved by the FDA proud to say developed at Rutgers University in New Jersey. The question becomes. What's the lag time to market? And what's behind the lag in all of our good intentions? We all want everyone what the president said now months ago everyone who wants a test can get a test wasn't true then isn't true tonight. Where are we in that? So there's a lot there Bryan. Let me try to answer that. It's distinct as I can number one. This is already commercial so the question here is how quickly Guinea get at home. There's GonNa be a few week lag for sure as the regulatory process finalizes. That's great news. But if you're the right clinical setting you could potentially get a saliva test now through this ruckers test the big issue the big hurdle here and this is a broader issue is that we're still waiting for certain groups to get tested. You have to be symptomatic. That's the guidance still for the slightest symptoms. So as ice you talk I have to still be symptomatic. If you're the press secretary for Vice President Pence looks like you can get a test any day you want. So we need to widen the criteria for who gets tested whether saliva or still that nasal swab tests. We need to start expanding it to those who are asymmetric. But we'll be going to the workplace just because that's how we're going to start the American economic engine testing everybody. This is a great piece of news. I suspect in the next two weeks. It'll be scaled at home around here. When we go about paging Dr Gupta he responds. Dr Gupta. Thank you as always. It's always a pleasure coming up for us on this Friday night to mayors of two very different cities on opposite sides of our country but they do share one thing in common. We'll talk about that after this with this virus still spreading in many places today the mayor of Boston. Marty Walsh announced that all events that require a permit this summer including parades festivals will be cancelled. Smaller gatherings are going to be considered on a case by case basis. Massachusetts has seventy five thousand confirmed cases and at least forty seven. Hundred deaths blamed on this virus over ten thousand of the cases are in Boston proper across the country in the smaller yet. Hard hit city of Gallup New Mexico famously. One of the stops on route sixty six. A lockdown is being slowly lifted into that city had been closed to non-residents tonight. They're back open. But with restrictions the surrounding McKinley county accounts for roughly thirty percent of all cases in the State New Mexico has over forty six hundred confirmed cases over one hundred eighty deaths thus far we welcome tonight. The mayors of both of these cities to our broadcast. Marty Walsh of Boston and Louis Bone weighty mayor of Gallup New Mexico Mayor Walsh first of all to you there's no bruins there's no celtics there's no socks at some point. It must feel a little less Boston every day. These decisions on public gatherings must be an extremely painful party. Job They really are. I mean we're entering into a time of the year that we didn't have a marathon We didn't have a Saint Patrick's Day. We WE HAVE A LOT OF FESTIVALS. Parades all this time of year at the pride trae cancel shop It's GonNa be a long summer. Means it's been a long spring but honestly with corona virus. And it's going to be a long summer here in Boston. I think when we don't have all these great outdoor events that we usually have Mr Mayor. I haven't been to fenway since the game. When Don Zimmer got toss during the bench clearing brawl but I remember very very tight passageways. It's just it's just an old place. It's not a modern era stadium. How do you go back to socks games? Even socially distant says a crowd. I I know that I been talking to San Kennedy the prize in the Red Sox. They're trying to figure out if baseball comes back and they do that. How do they do it? It's going to be complicated. Obviously I think all of this is not gonNA disappear by Memorial Day. We're going to be lookie dealing with the current. I think for quite some time here and I think is going to be very complicated for people to gather at family or at the Boston Garden or maybe even football when football seasons September. I think that you know for us. It's about testing. It's about metrics but looking at how can we sat to interact with people safely here in the long term. I think that we still have a ways to go. Mayor Bone watched some of the local coverage of year controversial decision out there to put put roadblocks up and have members of your PD. Try to catch people coming off the interstate especially from coming in. I know you've decided to open the door a crack. What was public acceptance like in the end? And what data on the curve? Did you were you able to act on well Basically I have to give you the history of it in a sense Gallup has such a unique community because we sit in the middle of about five Indian reservations. And what happens usually on The first of the month which basically is a is a pay week get an influx of around thirty fifty people coming into the community and because of the numbers that have been showing up We're thirty percent of the of the total number of cases in New Mexico We knew that we got that many people. It one time that we would definitely have problems so it was After conferring with the our Governor Governor Luhan the decision was. Let's let's close off. Let's close the city off in See if we can stop the spread of this epidemic. Now the last thing you want mayor grady is to cut down on your tax base shut down local businesses harm local families. Are you confident? Now that you are opening the door crack that you can you can track these cases and stay on top of it. Well hopefully. That's the thing we've been watching the numbers On a daily basis biggest problem is the testing is so slow. The testing takes about two and a half days. And the we'd love to test everybody in in the in the in the area but that's impossible though the only oust circuit basically is trying to stop spread and the encouragement locker. We figure we're the hot spot and so we're trying to do basically is Is Keep it from spreading to the reservation. Which which I think at this point is very vulnerable. Marty Walsh. You can't shut down the hub. You can't close down the city that you're the mayor of the the mayor of Gallup raises the subject of testing. We said at the top of the broadcast tonight. The White House can now claim the very best testing and contact tracing in all of the land. What is Boston doing on making sure that? If you live in Southie Beacon Hill you can get a test on demand. Let me start by congratulating. The mayor commenting on doing some incredible work of keeping his residence. Safe I think a lot of have to make take drastic measures in. I commend him for it. In the city of Austin now doing is We have at twenty one locations around the city now for testing and our goal is to get to fifteen hundred tests per day. I will not there yet. But it's something that we want to be able to do. We have about ten thousand seven hundred plus cases of chronic virus in the in the city of Austin as of today now we have four hundred ninety. Six people lost their life. So we're dealing with quite a bit of a virus here in Boston Massachusetts with number three in the country for positive cases number three in the country's debts so we really really have to as we think about reopening in phasing. It in we really have to think about massive testing anybody testing in corona virus testing. And it's not just a one time test. It might be multiple tasks. So we're ramping. That up here in the city and doing the best we can. We're averaging about thirty percent of the people being tested at testing positive virus in the homeless population. We've tested almost eighteen. Hundred people with testing at about thirty three percent. Rate of positive. Show We we have some work to do still here in the city and we answer a lot more work before we can really move into the opening phase here. Well hopefully tonight. We have sparked a transcontinental mayor Ole Friendship Great. Thanks gentlemen for spending part of your time with us on a Friday night to the mayor of Boston. Marty Walsh to the mayor of Gallup New Mexico Louisiana greedy thank. You mayors both of you for coming on coming up seventy five years ago today. A different sort of enemy was defeated. Pulitzer Prize winning author. Jon meacham on the many historical parallels to what were going through as people today learned a lot from Richard Nixon. Don't fire people. I learned a lot. I study history and the firing of everybody should have in one way but I'm glad I didn't because look at the way it turned out. They're all a bunch of crooks and they got caught. But I learned a lot by watching Richard Nixon and that we thought called for a visit from presidential historian and Pulitzer Prize. Winning biographer. Jon. Meacham he is the host of a wonderful new podcast called hope through history of five part documentary series exploring other trying times in American history. How we as a nation dealt with those crises like the episode. I listened to last night on polio John the President says he studies history. That tell usually is something. New introduced into his life is something he immediately mentions and then mentioned several times again. What would you correct? Perhaps about his view of Richard. Nixon not sure Nixon is if you're an American president facing the an extraordinary problem. Nixon is probably not the most reassuring place to go given what happened in August. Two thousand nine hundred seventy four so I'd start there the other thing that just take him seriously briefly of the thing we remember about President. Nixon immensely complicated man that is almost universally acknowledged to be a great achievement was his going to China Opening the delegations seventy-one going in June of seventy two gave you hate Richard Nixon. You appreciate that. He did that when he did that. He was running against his entire political career. He was challenging the conservative base the Orange County base of the Republican Party the Cold War base that had put him in power and we remember President's most favorably. Not when they simply give their base what they want but when they challenge those assumptions and actually move the arc of history and so to me. It's fascinating that he was look at Nixon or talk to Roger Stone actually to tell you the truth. That's what I thought is that. He's talked to stone at some point this week. Because of Roger Stone's Actually has a Nixon Tattoo on his back. So if hardened we will have seen the Tel we would have seen the tell John. Because I'm the type to listen to your podcast with great interest. It won't surprise you to learn. I made a list today of. Let's call them the darkest months in American history in a centuries time I put down the December of forty one September of Oh one and the most recent entrant we have to say is April of Twenty Twenty. In one month's time we lost over sixty seven thousand souls and twenty million jobs but on the seventy fifth anniversary year task tonight. As is your your your charge in this podcast series. Remind us how we got through the other stuff blood sweat toil in tears as Churchill said he became prime minister in May of nineteen forty in other words. Those months that changed everything It wasn't easy. It's never been easy to look. Back is not to be nostalgic. It's not to look back and sort of see lull Thomas and the march of time as if everything were inevitable is to remind us that people in the past felt faced seemingly insuperable obstacles before and overcame them world. War Two is the defining drama in many ways of Western life certainly global life in so many ways but remember. We didn't get in the you wrote down the month. December nineteen forty one. Hitler invaded Poland on September. First Nineteen thirty nine. There were eighty percent of Americans didn't want to even sell weapons to Europe. Charles Lindbergh was the head of something that a phrase that has new residents America. First we got in the war after we were attacked by Japan. And after Hitler declared war on us is one of the great things to remember was Churchill. I think had it exactly right when he said that you can always count on the Americans do the right thing once. They've exhausted every other possibility. And we were dragged into that we did the right thing but we we did it and I think the lesson of the moment is we don't know the lesson yet but we do know this is that is going to require a kind of Marshall Plan of testing and rebuilding out of this Jon Meacham the new host of a quarantine. Essential podcast along with all of his other writing John. Our thanks as always coming up for us on a Friday night and unfortunate consequence of covert nineteen on a specialty industry with an enthusiastic consumer base. Come back A devastating trickle down effect of this corona virus for beer lovers think about it with most bars and restaurants still shuttered. Think of the beer industry their product goes bad. It's sitting in eggs in those bars and restaurants think about sports arenas it's a product that's been separated from its potential consumers and in many cases it has to now be destroyed. It's bad for the big brands. Yes it's especially bad for craft. Brewers we get our report on this tonight from NBC. News correspondent Morgan Chessy poured in stored in kegs all across the country. A GROWING DILEMMA FOR AMERICA'S BREW MASTERS. Though as a small craft for the coveted nineteen crisis. Hit US pretty hard brewery owner William bins shutdown gut and more than half his business overnight. You know one of the things about beer and especially Craft Beers that. It's a perishable product not unlike your loaf a loaf of bread that you'd buy by the grocery store. There is a shelf life on it with craft beer lasting one to three months. Almost all of the nation's seven thousand craft breweries are approaching their final poor wild acre brewery and Fort. Worth Pales pills now piling up without a soul to SIP. Shut off you're just kind of stuck what you have to do. You have more than eight way more and what hurts. Even worse is what comes next when you can't take beard market for a couple of months that leads to unfortunately the dumping of beer a sobering scene straight at nineteen twenties prohibition from Coast to coast countless pints poured out and dumped. It's unfortunate that we have to do it but we really have no choice And it sucks. Bars and restaurants. Don't reopen fast enough. Local brewers like wild acre could be in trouble. A nationwide survey shows up to half of all small breweries doors in the next three months in South Carolina. Aptly named liability brewing. Dumping Two hundred seventy kegs. Business doesn't pick up the loss beers or about seventy thousand dollars back in Texas a brand new problem. The city water supply can't take gallons gallons of beer down sanitary sewer water treatment. Plant full the lane with all their draft beer now headed down the drain. The only hope left lies in consumers grabbing a cold one. We have a bottling line in a canning line so you know at least we can get beer to grocery stores and we did get RPG loan thankfully in the second round so hopefully. That'll give us some runway here in the short time when we kind of figure out how this is all going to shake out until then no shortage of liquid courage here Morgan Chessy. Nbc News Dallas. More approached everywhere. You look this has affected our life coming up a final word about the significance of today. Just ask the people who were around to see it back then. We may allow a brief. I'll rejoicing good day. 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Are Trump press conferences really political rallies in disguise? Phil Rucker, Shannon Pettypiece and Ian Bremmer

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Are Trump press conferences really political rallies in disguise? Phil Rucker, Shannon Pettypiece and Ian Bremmer

"From Washington SORTA call it Arlington Chuck. Todd this is Chuck Todd Calf. As of the time recorded this podcast. Nearly thirteen thousand Americans have died of ours in this country and our cultures evolved to try to fight the virus the political narratives of evolved as well. The question is is the president involved with it to people. Keep a close eye on all the moves inside the West one. They'll record White House. Bureau chief for The Washington Post in Shannon Petty Senior White House reporter for NBC News Digital and later ready to take a look into the crystal ball to answer. What is the new normal for the world after cove nineteen global political scientists and president of Eurasia Group in? Bremmer will discuss how this will affect everything from authoritarian regimes to America's role in the world. But I the White House response to the Corona Virus Shannon and Phil back to the podcast and I and I think I'm GonNa ask you the question that I get asked every day. Some former another and you may know what it is is. I'm sure you both get asked the same question. Which is what is it with the president at these briefings. And why do people in the media keep covering it since the U. People is we people Shed and I'll start with you You know these briefings are vague Make your case as to why the Americans should. I think there is a lot of information in these at doesn't necessarily come from the president. Actually I would say the information. He's often does it. Come from the president but I think Dr Burks and Dr Doughty have given Yo severely tremendous insights into what the scientific community is thinking about where this infection going. How BEST TO PROTECT OURSELVES And you know a essentially what cautions everyday Americans should be taken and given some some warnings there so I think there is. There is big value from that perspective. But I from the president's time on the podium these have as many people have observed serve become a substitute for a campaign rally and his opportunity to get out there invent to attack his perceived enemies of the moment And to try and get his message and his spin on the message. Directly to people circumventing what is being reported in the rest of the news media outside of Fox News so I think it is a fair criticism that these do at times turned into a political rally. But I also think the difficult balance because like I said there is real information that actually comes from the scientists involved in this and I just as a regular person feel like I have watched these and it has changed my views about how I should be protecting myself whether I should be traveling whether I going to the grocery store or wearing a mask and those sort of things Phil Rucker Do you believe you know it's interesting. You could cover these. If this were the nineteenth century you could simply ignore all the silly parts of it and just write about the information. If you knew your audience hadn't seen the briefing. You wouldn't feel like you were leaving anything out. I feel as if because we know these are televised. We feel it's necessary to cover the hijacks. Yeah I think that's right. Shaq intercept performance our quality to what the president's trying to do here. He has been under siege for months now because of his slow acknowledgement of the threat of Corona Virus. And and the time it took the administration to really take it seriously and so in turn what he's done with these briefings. It's to try to prevent image of command and control if you just have the briefing on Mute You see the president with numbers on a screen behind him that show. How many masks ventilators or whatever they're sending to stakes and then you see all these people that he's flanked by. Sometimes their uniforms members of the military sometimes the surgeon. General's there sometimes. It's the doctor's always vice. President pence is right over his shoulder. with a sign of acknowledgment and support in his body language and I think for trump. He is trying to use these briefings as an opportunity to present an image of command that doesn't necessarily align with the facts on the ground at how administration's handling it which is troubled Shannon. I WANNA go back because it's a great question that US last week. It was the way you worded it and it was funny. He didn't jump down your throat and normally he would on this issue and if the issue of testing right the biggest single you know error in our response has been the testing bockel. And you simply ask you promise. Twenty seven million tests just asking winter. We expect the other twenty six million and he. He fumbled the bed. 'cause he tries to drown us in number sometimes but it does seem as if he's behaving this way because he knows he messed up and trying to recover sort of like gum. You're walking down the sidewalk in front of the cool kids and you trip and stumble a little bit then you have to dust yourself off and start walking cooler like ever did before. Pretend nothing happened. That's sometimes how I kind of feel like he is walking out here trying to act like every you know yes I just stumbled but everything's fine now and maybe blame someone else. They'd say who put that there. How did I trip over that? Maybe somebody else? He's always gotTa Blake Sidewalk there. That's a terrible idea right. And and that's part of these briefings to is laying the groundwork for who to blame the. Who was the latest blame? Victim the governors. The Governor of Michigan was the want to be blamed over that of course Biden. The Obama Administration always gets the blame So you testing. He blame that on it. You know a a and again. It's not actually accurately says terrible faulty broken system. It's just a system created for something else for different type of disease outbreak. Don't even now. Yeah that never. He keeps saying that in. It's like what are you talking about right. It was essentially a testing system that was designed for something like A. You know a Bulla outbreak or not something that would be so widespread that you would need these sort of rapid quick response rates but they still really haven't been able to answer the question of testing and while that hindered our ability to get started. It is gonNA hinder our ability to get out of this because if we want to reopen the economy and get people back to work we have to be able to test everyone so we can quickly identify someone who wants the cases dropped down. We can identify a new case. All the contract tastes Contract tracing to quarantine people again and stop this from getting out of control and I still don't think we have a an actual answer to that question and they've created so much confusion around it I don't know if that's unintentional. Because it is just a confusing topic or if it's intentional. Because they're trying to cover up the fact that there are still huge testing whole occurring Phil Rucker in the same briefing. Where he he seemed to want to blame the WTO. It was amazing to me what he doesn't know he didn't know anything about the Peter Navarro memo and read it He didn't know any couldn't any idea. Why is it that it could be working class? African Americans could be hit harder by. This just has no idea how that could be. He had no idea what happened with Secretary of Navy. The Acting Secretary of Navy didn't know anything about that. It's a crutch obviously when he doesn't want to comment on something or he doesn't like the facts and he doesn't have an alternative explanation. His answer is I don't know anything about and chuck. We've seen that time and again right. He he knows nothing about Paul Manafort campaign chairman when when Manafort was arrested. We've seen this all the time from him. And what was so striking to just hone in on that. Navarro memo is it was dated near the end of January beginning. January third trump was getting information in his presidential daily brief About Corona virus about the dangerous about the outbreak in China that human level. What what did he ever say he was listening? Now just because somebody was briefing. Him doesn't mean he was listening yet. He tunes this out and he doesn't have much appreciation for the expertise of people in the government. People like Dr Fao. She and others but in all rounds of government and the intelligence community and the national security apparatus. We've seen this over three years of his presidency where he thinks he's the expert. He thinks he knows best and tunes out. Whatever people are telling him so I guess the question is whether I don't think this helps him. I think every day I think this is one of those moments where he thinks Shannon that the hijinks and the entertainment quality of what he brings this job still hold during a pandemic and I just think fit the hijinks that I don't know we'll I'll be curious. I don't know if the country has the same patients when suddenly they're like. Where's My job? Why am I trapped in my house? Repels going on here. Why do you keep bloviating over here? Member Mike Francesa rant. You know it's like way you know. It's like yeah. Here's a guy who was like trump voters. I what the hell's up by pillow guy went up there. Just telling you what the Hell's going on you know. Yeah I mean. We're all probably quite cynical at this point I feel like though if you liked trump before this you watch these and you're you think he is a commander in chief in charge of the country. You think he's doing the best he can. Of course this is not going to be perfect. We've never seen anything like this. You Know He. He did what he could with China if you liked him before you're going to give them the benefit of doubt here if you didn't like them before you're GonNa Watch this and thank keys. A bloviating Idiot whatever your perception of him before was and you can't believe what's happening and that he's caused the death of tens of thousands of people in this is all his fault. I think we just play to a draw again like we've seen in past crises of his presidency like we saw an impeachment people's opinions are so set on him and they've been so set for three or four years now and while it seemed like he got a little bit of a bumped in polling initially as may be about two weeks ago with his approval rating going up a little bit among Democrats little bit among Republicans. From what I've seen the past week. It looks like everything's leveled off. And we're back to the forty seven percent. Forty seven percent country with this group this group of UNICORNS IN THE MIDDLE. Who can't make up their mind or somewhere like a needle in the haystack of voters. That are somehow at this point and yet Phil Rucker. It was actually such an unforced air politically I look at the the. I look at all of this. You know look this. Donald Trump's entire political career. The last five years to me is a hallmark up. He never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. The fact of the matter is is that a whole bunch of governors who are all going to put down their rhetorical arms right. Now they need you know. The whole country needs the president to succeed even though people that don't like and yet instead of using that opportunity to be to show like even the tiniest ability I mean just shows you how broken he is. Psychologically sometimes because he can't even show the smallest mark of humility and Elvis or you know sort of be an American I. He continues to be a politician. I that's right Shaq. It would be so easy for him to just say look we were. We were slow out of the gate. Everyone was slow out of the gate. Who knew this was going to happen? But we're doing everything to fix it now and to be magnanimous and to work with these governors and not to cast about for blame and to just get the job done. It's not that hard to try to put people in place to do this now. Forget about what happened in the past disco forward but instead he is. He's looking for people to attack. He's attacking governors. Who SPEAK OUT ABOUT HIM? And it's this partisan sort of personal show up there Instead of being the president all Americans Hey Shannon one of the things that I think that I feel like we haven't made a bigger point of and maybe it's maybe it's just a sidebar note. That's worth discussing. But the you know the the one person in America whose life has been. The least changed is the presence. And I've I've wondered like how little he can but like every even people on his own staff have had their lives impact because they don't live in the building he lives in the building he has has. He doesn't actually have become some of what's happening. Well I will say. There were a number of mar-a-lago trips. We were anticipating that. We have not taken. There were a lot of campaign rallies we were doing about one week on average so firm is not getting the campaign rallies that he used to get But yet I mean that's I think that's always been a There's always obviously been this empathy gap with him in. How does he empathize with someone? Who has both people in the family have lost their job? And you know unemployment is not gonNA cover the bills or had you do empathize with someone who's caring for a sick family member who's been sick for two weeks now. Who is waking up in the middle of the night to check on them to make sure they're still breathing. He has always struggled to empathize with people On a lot of fronts and I think that all presidents probably have difficulty connecting with the average person once. They've been there but I don't think he ever really could act the average person and I think that's always lead to this this struggle we've seen in that in moments of crisis for him to be that consoler in Chief. Cliche that we always use. While we're in the middle of this little breaking news with Bernie Sanders bowing to reality here. Suspending his campaign the day after the Wisconsin primary even though we don't know the actual results yet we're not gonNA know those but before I get to the to the whatever left whatever fall-outs left of that I think that's just feels like A. Oh so he conceded type of thing and then and we move on. There was an oh by the way story in the White House this weekend. That is the White House. Shakeup at new chief-of-staff new press secretary the more things change. Though I assume Phil Rucker the most more things will stay the same. Seems that way. Check look. You can change the people in these jobs but every day president trump is going to be his own chief of staff and his own press secretary and his own lawyer and his own adviser. And we've seen this from day one He's brought in Mark Meadows of a political loyalists in a much more sort of campaign minded person to be his chief of staff in the changes that he's making already in the communications and press operations seem geared towards getting ready for the general election campaign against Biden. bringing press secretary. Who's going to be an on air television defender and spokesperson not really deal at the press necessarily in. Just get kind of a war room operation inside the White House. It's the president becomes fixated on the Campaign Shannon The task force the tension that is clearly starts to bubble up. Whether it's the odd roles. Peter Navarro is playing Or the the president deciding to play Doctor. At times you can see the pain to faces about. Jason Burks. Does this task force state attack for the through the summer or do we think this tension that bubbled is just GonNa get worse as they try to reopen country. Yeah I I don't know that that's that's a good point that we're gonNA come to a the president's patients is GonNa wear off and obviously his patients was starting to wear off You know at the beginning of the month when he was talking about or even before the beginning of the month when he was talking about reopening the country by Easter and the scientists had an intervention. Rained him back in. I mean there's been a number of these moments where his staff not even just the scientists but other staff who get it have had to hold an intervention and rain him back in? So how many times can that be done? And like we have seen through everything in this administration. Those people can only hold back the reins on this president so much before. He is just going to do it his way and say you know. Throw it away. I'm doing I'm following my gut on following my instinct. I'm pulling out of the Paris climate accord I'm putting those tariffs on whatever the drastic thing. He was contemplated at the moment was he does it now. We've got maybe three or four months laughed can they? Maybe they can hold the reins on that long. You know eight or nine months Definitely not but I think Especially though as we really get in to the point where he's got a ramp up his campaign and his reelection his focus is going to start to shift there and he's GonNa Start to lose attention in this area and that's where you're going to see the patients where out that's probably where it's going to be. That's that's what I'm thinking of. Quick Phil Rucker Peter. Navarro leaking a memo that. He warned about a pandemic in January. I I'm saying he did. I don't know that he did it but it was conveniently time just when he was taking it. Taking a press beating on the Chin over clashing with Bausch and Lo and behold here comes here comes this memo but it felt like one of those moments where he was trying to brandish his own resume he did the pre he ended up damaging the president at the same time. What's more likely with this memo that? This memo was written circulated among mid level staff and blocked from the president or it did get to them and they're just choosing Amnesia. You know it's a good question and I don't actually know the answer but my gut says they blocked it from getting the president first of all the president doesn't actually read a lot of memos He doesn't Rita's daily briefing from the intelligence community. He prefers to be briefed orally. So the idea that they would present a multi paves document to him and he would read. It doesn't really align with reality there but Navarro is known inside the White House. It's as someone always sounding the alarm especially on China. You know a lot of people inside the administration. Don't respect him. They think he's the kind of dangerous and causing trouble all the time. And so there certainly is a scenario where It was kept from getting the president. Because they didn't want the president to overreact about China in the middle of You know what have been pretty tense trade negotiations with that country Yeah he is. He is one of the most interesting characters to cover. White House Mr Navarro is he. Not Yes and. I would second what Phil said when my colleagues and I started asking around about this memo People said to US lesson. Peter Navarro is always going around with Psalm. Memo's Chai he's China chicken little right right whether it's something China's comet et cetera. And it was just like. Yeah yeah whatever. Almost of a boy who cried wolf type of thing but of course Peter Navarro. You know to your point that all of a sudden he's supposed to supposed to look like this hero. Who saw it coming? He was in January. It was not a big secret anymore that there was something big happening out there. China shut down an entire city of like eight million people. I think it was That that's something kind of crazy going on so it was on the front page of the New York Times all the time. I'm sure what she imposed as well It wasn't a secret that only Peter Navarro knew about at that level well. I'd said that we were going to dive a little bit into the Bernie thing. But I really don't think there's a lot of impact from Bernie getting out except for one thing the fact that he's out now and not at the convention and there's not drama to this is that I think it Phil Rucker. I'm curious I just think it makes it that much harder for trump to exploit you know angry Bernie supporters when it sort of fizzles as early as quickly as this campaign now looks at. This is if it did exactly and it's fizzled Much faster than than the sanders campaign did in two thousand sixteen. For example in. It'll trump will not be able to make the argument that The nomination was stolen from thorny standards because standards just didn't have the votes to back up his case. He was clearly losing to Joe Biden. It's probably helpful to the Democrats that they're become consolidation now than than in the summertime although there's a real challenge here for Biden to inject himself into the new cycled to get out there when trump is dominating every day and we're in the middle of the pandemic people don't WanNa hear about your college affordability plans or or any of the other plans at the my I is. He doesn't need to grow avenue. Nobody wants to hear about it right now. So he should. He should take it except that I do think the one thing to watch for now is how strongly Bernie threw his support behind Biden. And how much help he gives the Biden campaign because that was the complaint the Clinton campaign has had is that he never really gave a full throated endorsement to Clinton and he never really helps them the way they wanted to help. He didn't do the surrogate events they wanted him to do. He did the ones he wanted to do. He had his message not their message so to see if he really becomes a partner to buy an RV continues being Bernie and going off and doing Bernie thing and not actively working against Biden of course in any way our guys. I'm GONNA pause it. There fell and Shannon. Thanks for Working from home. I guess we're all doing that base days. I hope you're staying safe and healthy fan and you have to you go out in public every once in a while. Those briefings your yeah. We have a week in the White House and then two weeks and then a week Mac. Yes so I'm in my I'm in my quarantine phase one gene week. All right yes life. Stop Streep careful guys. Thanks very much. Thanks to after your report danger. We'll be right back with enbrel after quickly. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'LL BE TALKING WITH JOHN. Berry author of the book the Great Influenza about the last Global Pandemic. We analyzed what cities did in nineteen eighteen and found that those cities which into remained early at a much better experience at the very least in terms of flattening the curb if the intervening too late the viruses already widely disseminated in your community and no intervention is GonNa have any effect if the enemy is already inside the home. It doesn't do you any good to lock the door. That's this week on. Why is this happening? Search for why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Welcome back to the chuck. Todd cast joining me now as I said at the top is even better. He is basically a global political scientists as description. It works for me. Chuck you know Yeah Global. Put Your your chairman of the Eurasia Group which means you only worry about countries in Europe and Asia Right. I wish it meant that when I started it back in ninety eight now. A pretty global now and And and I think corona virus making us global even though you wouldn't know that from the headlines for well fair no let me start our conversation off with this quote from the former Prime Minister of Sweden Carl Bilt. He tweeted this at April first and I wanted to make a big deal out of it on Sunday. We just didn't have enough time. This is the first GRADE CRISIS OF THE POST. American world he tweets the UN Security Council is nowhere to be seen. G Twenty is in the hands of the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and the White House is trumpeted America. First and everyone alone for years only the virus is globalised. I found the tweet into be it sort of finally said what I was waiting for. Somebody said like this is the first major international emergency where America's not in the lead if anything we're behind that's right it's really right. I mean you know there's so much focus in the United States about what trump did or didn't do to respond here domestically but the real problem in the one that's GonNa stick with us for a much longer. Period of time is the fact that outside the US. America is nowhere to be seen in responding to this crisis and think of how incredibly different that is from two thousand two thousand nine or nine eleven. When not only did we have a rally around the flag effect? Domestically I mean you know Bush after nine eleven was ninety. Two percent approval trump. Today's forty six literally half that right and that's after a bomb but the transatlantic alliance is not coming together. The Chinese certainly are not following the Americans arguably the Chinese out in front even though they're responsible for the cover up the initial outbreak there. Us is nowhere on the global stage. In fact you've got trump saying he's thinking about defunding the World Health Organization which one organization that's actually charged to fight a pandemic and now I've just seen we're we're getting involved. I saw that we WANNA stand in the way of the IMF loaning money Iran under a pandemic and it the entire handling of Iran. Here I look. There's part of me that understands the desire that says maybe the Iranian people will finally see what. It's like to have a horrendous regime. You know this is the price you pay but is that the American way the American ways that the humanitarian way is the one that said you know we really have a problem with your regime but We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Put that on pause while we figure out this virus. Yeah I mean I worry that the support for what the American way is in what we stand for inside. The United States has been eroding for such a long time for so much money that was spent in blood and lives lost on in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. For so many Americans that feel like we've taken care of them at home and that inequality is only going to grow dramatically. On the back of this corona virus the level of support for any kind of humanitarian aid for any kind of. Us leadership outside. America is so much thinner than it used to be. And I don't know I mean even if you had Biden President Bernie Sanders is president. I think diplomacy would be more effective. But it's not clear to me that the Americans would be doing that much more when you see. The healthcare system at home might not be adequate to standing up for the ICU's and the medical personnel that are required to ensure that we don't have triage like they did in northern Italy now. This is the conundrum that I think we're in is that. This virus has exposed a lot of societal problems that we have to deal with domestically. Yeah and yet It's also going to reveal a lot of problems around the world that would demand our leadership but maybe too inward looking up to see it. I mean what we need to do clearly is that when there is the real shortfall. And it's not it's not here yet. I mean we we have. We've stopped our economy Europeans of stop their economy. We have the money to ensure that we get through the next three months and without implosion but the developing world. Which doesn't have the health care that we do. They don't have the ability to social distance when you've got large percentage of the population without sanitation and in shared quarters and the rest and they can't afford to stop their economies. They're gonNA need the kind of ten percent of GDP relief that we've given ourselves in America and they're not gonNa have nothing close so the question is in the summer when the IMF is out of money and everyone's looking to the United States to avoid the next series of emerging market crises. I mean economies crumbling much worse than what we're seeing in Iran right now because a much larger group of countries that matter more economically a lot more people and countries were friendly and well disposed to. What do we do? Do we stand up at that point or do we let them fall. And and I I I'm not. I'm not sure that we want to know the answer to that truck but we are going to find it out. We're GONNA find out before the election. Well that's the the the other the other thing that's interesting. You think it's going to happen that fast. I mean obviously in the initial IMF thing. I agree with that but I guess the larger question I have is is. What is the world's going to look like after the pandemic because it feels like there's going to be a major shifts and let's go by continent here I want to start with? Europe is the EU exist in its current form in a decade. It probably does. I'm much less comfortable making that call than I was even six months ago. I mean the potential for an economic crisis in Italy which has been the worst hit so far by corona virus. They're all so the country that has been most susceptible among the larger economies to nationalist anti-establishment governance the most Popular Party in Italy. Right now is the lega the league and Salvini the former deputy. Pm WHO's not in power right now but probably will and if he takes over this country when the economy's freefall in the Europeans aren't doing very much for him a call to leave Europe would be serious and I don't know how you deal with it. I know that Hungary with with Orban's Victoria von leading took took the advantage of this crisis. Didn't let it go to waste as rahm Emanuel would say yup and instead he He basically dissolved parliament. He rid himself of rule of law and he allowed him to jail using some incredibly forceful new laws again. Anti free speech laws for up to five years anyone that he considers to be hostile on a political opponent and not only is Europe too busy to censure him but the Polish government you need unanimity the Polish government's going to support Hungary. So I mean what? Europe stands for the idea that they have common values rule of law and independent judiciary that care about civil society. You can't say that about Europe today. Never mind the lack of open borders. I mean all the borders in Europe right now at least to close all right so there's Europe a- border bordering on it's A. It's certainly their crippled right now. China's standing has been damaged. I guess the question I have for you is for. How long and is this new? I guess renewed rivalry between the United States and China is really what's going to define global affairs for the next decade. The important thing is that the Chinese economy is almost back to running. Its supply chain right now. You know we've been assessing things like traffic patterns satellite imagery talking to a lot of CEOS that have supply chain on the ground there there at about seventy percent right now and they'll probably be at full functioning by May in other words while the Americans and Europeans are still stopped. The Chinese are going to be able to become the factory for the world again and that combined with the extraordinary technologically empowered surveillance state that the Chinese have which if I allow them to shut down You know ensure one hundred percent compliance on social distancing in the workplace on public transportation in restaurants and if they see additional outbreaks they don't tell us about the cases but they know about them and they closed things back down so the ability of the Chinese government handle this pandemic after they lied about it after their initial cover up and and actually get their economy back to functioning again get their people back to functioning again as the society used to really as well beyond what we could imagine in any democracy and that combined with the fact you know you were just talking to me about how the Americans you can't really see us doing the humanitarian aid. We used to but the Chinese even though they're not doing nearly what the Americans would have historically they're the only country doing much of anything right now and since they're the ones with the medical supply chain that we all need and they're the ones with the excess medical personnel that we all need even a little bit. I mean if if it's carrot and stick internationally and trump is all about stick. I mean I I'll grant you that. The Chinese carrot isn't very big and is maybe a little rotten but it's the only carrot on offer and if you're an American ally in in Europe that is trying to get through this crisis and you desperately need masks and testing kits. You desperately need medical personnel. If you're an emerging market that's GONNA face true disillusion of your economy over the next three to six months. You're really going to appreciate the fact that the Chinese are offering you anything so I think China's GonNa come out of this actually looking a lot stronger in their relations with a Lotta countries around the world. And I'm not sure we're ready for that. Only is that only because of our reputation is only because they look good compared to us. We'll certainly that kind of matters. I mean in the sense that are real the wheel the reason we beat the Soviets yet we spent them into the ground militarily but the Soviet people didn't believe in their model anymore and they believed in the American model. They thought that we lead. By EXAMPLE THEY WANNA to system looked more like our system and I gotTa tell you chuck you know I. I don't believe there's any moral equivalence between the US and communist China. Not at all. But I'm an American. If I look at other countries around the world and their citizens and particularly their citizens that feel like their own leaders have lost legitimacy their own governments have failed them in you and I know there's a larger and larger group of those people now and will be in the next few years. They're starting to look at the Chinese model as more attractive. They're starting to say. Why are we following the United States of American? You're going to see it. In Southeast Asia certainly seat in sub Saharan Africa. You'll see it in east southern Europe the poorer countries that have less strong institutions. And you'll even start seeing it in South America. I think that really matters well in my little tour here. I want to go to our hemisphere because there's two leaders in particular that I'm curious about I feel like one of them isn't going to survive this crisis it's Anglo in Mexico and Bolles Bolsonaro in Brazil. They're both sort of. It's so funny. Both two sides of the same coin in some ways one from the right one from the left but both authoritarian in their own way. You know you're the first person that's brought this up to me and it's it's exactly on point because they are the two leaders that have been most opposed to just basic medical science in their policy response you would think that trump would occupy the pole position there. He really doesn't I mean he's just narcissists all about him but actually the true failings have been Mexico and Brazil and the popularity of both of these leaders while trump's has gone up a little bit they've been in the toilet and both of another Brazilian economy was doing pretty well beforehand and they've just been through this impeachment and horrible set of corruption cases. With all of these ministers and presidents caught up in it for years so they don't want to impeach Bolsonaro but he's in a lot of trouble and he is going to lose a lot of his support base. He's certainly losing a reformist coalition that he had built allowing him to try to move the country forward economically. And you know. He almost fired his Health Minister. The the doctor foul she of. Brazil who was by far the most popular political character in Brazil right now because he's calm and he's speaking with authority of course. Bolsonaro can't handle anybody more popular than him so he was going to let them go and he had to back away from it because the social media outcry was huge and his own presidential administrators. Told him. Don't do it but he's angry. He's itching for a fight and he wants to restart the economy and this is GonNa kill lots of Brazilians. So it's it's a big problem and in Mexico. It's a similar kind of thing. It's very arrogant leader. That only sees it his way or the highway the private sector in the US. Ceo's have come out in support of trump even if they don't all like them they're saying in the Rose Garden and we want to help in Mexico. The leaders of the corporate community saying this guy has no plan. He has no authority. It's really bad so in a crisis we've got red versus blue state. These countries are incredibly dysfunctional at the ground level without the hospitals that we have without the economy's we have and the governments are not taking a leadership role to respond to the worst crisis. They've seen in generations. It's really going to hurt. And it also means that what's GONNA we're not gonna be immune from that. Yeah and we're not going to be immune from our hemisphere right in Mexico. I mean some of that is going to come back to the United States. And we're going to keep those guys closed off in terms of travel for a long time. Not just a few months. You could be talking until we have an effective vaccine right well. Certainly if trump's president shirley no I do think no matter crew until we. He does see an opportunity. Here that's right that's absolutely right but I but I also think just around the world developing versus developed world if they're doing her immunity and they can't stop and they can't test this virus then we're just not going to let people travel final. Stop on my little tour here is. Our friend is our friends in Russia. Because I'm curious two things one since we are living in a pandemic world. We're going to have a corona virus election I'm not saying we aren't GonNa have outside people trying to agitate but is it. I feel like that's on the back burner. Maybe it shouldn't be maybe that the the concern over hacking of the Russians should be something that's more front burner but the second is Putin was in the middle of rewriting constitution and starting to lay that. Groundwork does this disrupt at all. It did disrupt it. He's had to push it back. I mean we know that if he has a referendum. He's going to win it because there's no democracy in Russia but they did have to push it back. He wasn't taking the virus very seriously his mayor of Russia of Jimmy. His mayor Moscow. Twelve million people Actually has taken more of a leadership role in shutting that he's been very aggressive and of course the other thing if you WanNa talk Russia's the fact that oil prices are in the twenties and that's because of a fight between the Russians and the Saudis The Russians need forty plus to balance their budget. This is really going to hurt and fiscal austerity had been where Putin was going. He can't do that right now. This economy is not very strong right. I mean it's it's smaller than the Canadian economy. It doesn't hold a candle to the US so on the one hand Russia's in a much weaker position and needs to find a way to come to a deal with the Saudis and the Americans so they can get oil prices back out of the floor right. I mean they can't they can't have the the storage units for oil overwhelmed and how functionally value in their top commodity. They've gotta find a way to come to a deal but they're also angry and Putin wants to blame someone he's GonNa blame the Americans and the ability of Russia to cause trouble in an election. I mean you've seen Wisconsin You you've seen what trump is saying about not wanting to allow a mail in ballots because it's bad for the Republicans. I mean this election in the United States. I think we'll be determined more by the courts than it will be by the voters. I honestly believe that and And certainly when the Russian see that they're going to see that there is an opportunity for them to cause a lot of mischief even without spending a lot of money yeah. I'm very concerned that a close election is going to be accepted yet and perhaps even blow is. It doesn't get fully accepted by a large chunk of America's this election was rigged in so many different ways. And you already see it coming. No you you do Final final question is as we know. This economy is GONNA real for a while. I think I part of me thinks he'll be more layoffs in twenty twenty one this year be as as major corporations who got it through now will suddenly see cost savings in how they did it but Which tells me I think we're this is a two three. Maybe four year recession in some form. But what what what? What are you warning people about? I mean I think the recession itself is more in terms of actual contraction of the economy is less than a year and that's because of the immense amount of money that will be put in to ensure it doesn't go farther But that of course probably means you've got a deficit of twenty percent of GDP this year and that's a problem right and then the corporates. I assure you almost every major multinational corporation is gonna find ways to work more efficiently with fewer people and this fourth industrial revolution is gonNA feel like a post industrial revolution for many many members of the working middle class in the US. And I don't know how I know how we get through the next six months we can throw money at it. We can make sure that people have relief but for the next two three years what we do. For ten percent of the American population that feels like additional ten percent. That feels like they have nothing functional to contribute I. I don't know the answer to that Chuck and I. I don't know that Biden or trump have the answer to that I- Adrienne had the answer. Universal basic income. Spain's doing Spain is doing it spans. Doing it's it's very expensive but you know and I'm not sure it's best way at the problem but I don't really. The problem is going to have to be addressed in ways that well beyond any fixes. That people are thinking about right now. I can already here as of selling at the tech dividend the pandemic dividend. And we can come up with some interesting in Bremmer President of the Eurasia Group. Self Self distancing in New York City. Stay healthy and safe my fred. Avoid People Chuck good to talk to you people. Yeah that's for sure. Void people ingredients books. You'll always learn something thanks again. You've been listening to the chuck. Todd Castro meet the press. Today's episode was produced by Justice Green and Matt Rivera. John Reece's our executive producer. Steve Look ties. The head of PODCAST FOR NBC News. Our music composed by spoke media. You can meet the press daily on MSNBC every day at five the big show. Every Sunday morning I'm doing a special hour of MSNBC at one o'clock ten am on the West Coast is well so thanks for listening. Thanks FOR WATCHING. Stay safe social distance. Remember if we get through the hard stuff now we football season in September. 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Day 1,271: Trump's White House tries to discredit Fauci as COVID-19 surges

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

47:07 min | 3 months ago

Day 1,271: Trump's White House tries to discredit Fauci as COVID-19 surges

"Well good evening once again day twelve, hundred, seventy, one of the trump administration, one hundred thirteen days to go until our presidential election, the pandemics grip on our country has been merciless yet. The White House is now enmeshed in what looks like an effort to try to sink Dr Anthony Fauci the scientists and Dr who has guided the country through pandemic threats under six. Six presidents and is a recipient of the Presidential Medal of freedom. Over three point, three million people are infected that we know of over one hundred thirty six thousand lives have been lost. New cases are rising steadily above sixty one thousand new cases just today, dozens of states now reporting outbreaks, nineteen states set new benchmarks this weekend and it was in the midst. Midst of that that these I reports started to emerge that the White House was not just trying to sideline doctor FAUCI. That's been going on for a while, but was now treating him like something of a political opponent. A document was sent around to reporters from anonymous White House officials laying out comments that FAO she made in the early days of the outbreak. Outbreak when little was known even by the experts, which those officials have tried to paint as inaccurate. The AP reports tonight quote, cheese, public contradictions of trump have been viewed by the president as a personal affront and have caused some of the west wing to sour on the doctor. The effort is part of a White House effort to counterpunch on behalf of trump. Filed. She has not commented on these reports, but he did continue to warn about this virus in an interview. Today was Stanford University. Here it is, it's happened. You know your worst nightmare the perfect storm. This is a really serious problem. It is truly historic We haven't even begun to see the end of it yet and to get it completely under control. It's still going to be a threat. Of course wording like worst nightmare and perfect storm happens to contradict trump's messaging and nearly every day that we are doing a great job FAO. She also talked about these latest outbreaks. We did not shut down entirely, and that's the reason why. When we went up, we started to come down and then we plateaued at a level that was really quite high about twenty. Thousand Infections Day. Then as we started to be open. We're seeing the surges that we're seeing today. This morning the president of the United States re tweeted a conspiracy theory written by the noted infectious. Disease Specialist Chuck woolery actually he's the former host of the dating game and love connection, and is a celebrity spokesman for blue. EMU, arthritis cream wollery wrote and the president later distributed to the free world quote, the most outrageous lies are the ones about covert nineteen. Everyone is lying. The CDC Media Democrats are doctors, not all, but most that we are told to trust. It's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. This afternoon both trump and the White House seemed to signal their support for Dr Fauci. Very good relationship with Dr Fetchy I've had for a long time. Right from the beginning. I find him a nice person I don't always agree with him. I closed the border as you know to China clothes I did the ban on China heavily infected, and we saved tens of thousands of lives inductive out. You will admit that it was a good decision. It was very early. That was in January. Long before it was. Thought of as the right thing to do I get along with them very well. I like him personally. Here's no opposition research being dumped to reporters, we RASA very specific question by the Washington Post question was president. Trump noted that doctor felt she had made some mistakes, and we provided a direct answer to what was a direct question. Dr Doughty and the president of always had a very good working relationship. The New York Times reports on NBC News has confirmed that foul. She was back at the white. House today meeting with trump's chief of staff Mark Meadows prescheduled meeting. We're told one topic that may have been under discussion. However, California's major rollback of its reopening efforts just today including ordering all bars in the state closed California's been averaging over eight thousand new cases a day as of Sunday Florida reported over twelve thousand new cases today yesterday as you may know. Florida set a national pandemic record with more than fifteen thousand cases, the highest one day total of any state that goes to Florida today. The Florida governor was greeted with open anger as he started his daily briefing. We came to Jackson in I. Think early March when this pandemic was really starting to pick up steam that point I. don't even know if Miami Dade had a case. A positive tests, maybe a couple, but it was obviously much different than what we're. What we're finding here. So I think the. Yuppie so I think. For Nathan. Older. And naming it brought this. Noblesse. Nothing. Is You so. Rhonda US an ardent trump supporter went on to say things had stabilized in Florida stressed the need for fasted co faster. Cova test results Washington. Post is reporting on nationwide delays with some tests site, struggling to provide results in five to seven days as they promise in an op. ED FOR CNBC FORMER TRUMP Steve Chief of staff Mick Mulvaney complained quote. I know it isn't popular to talk about in some Republican circles, but we still have a testing problem in this country. My son was tested recently. We had to wait five to seven days for results. My daughter wanted to get tested before visiting her grandparents, but was told she didn't qualify. This is simply inexcusable at this point in the pandemic. At this point, it is fair to quickly note Mulvaney one's called the corona virus a hoax. Now it's suddenly very real for him and his family yet. Both the president and his press secretary are still insisting the nation is far ahead on testing. Trump also repeated the false theory. That testing is driving up the number of cases while seeming to try to blame his predecessor. Said many times, the number of corona virus cases is going up. Because testing is increasing through TV acknowledge that it's going up for other reasons to for example that it's actually spreading, you know Biden and Obama stop their testing. They just stopped. They stopped testing. Right in the middle, they just went no more testing. We test more than anybody by far and when you test, you create cases, so we've created cases as we've always said that there would be embers, there would be fire when you're testing more than any country in the world. You're going to identify more cases. A tiny fact, check here. The Corona virus did not exist during the Obama Administration. There was no test for it. Meanwhile, today came a significant setback to trump's push to reopen our schools. The LA unified and San Diego Public School districts announced the school year will start remote, only in August, president of course is blaming politics. We have to open the schools. We have to get them open and. I think there's a lot of politics going along. I think they think they'll do better if they can keep the schools close in the election I don't think it's going to help them. Frankly, but I think they feel that by keeping school slows. That's a bad thing for the country, and therefore that's a good thing for them. This afternoon I asked the secretary of Education under President Obama about the wisdom of reopening schools in pandemic. There is no body count high enough for the president to actually pay attention to science. We could lose another ten thousand. We lose another fifty thousand. We can lose another one hundred thousand nothing would compel him to listen to the foul and others. We're actually fighting to try and save. Lives and schools are not gonNA put teachers, principals, their children or their children's families in a position of risks as far too high. Do not pay attention to trump. Don't be scared of his bluffs. He does not care whether you live or die. Head tension those local people who live in your community. Please listen to them. Here for our leadoff discussion on a Monday night Shannon petty piece veteran journalists senior White House reporter for us at NBC News Digital Kimberly Atkins Senior. Washington correspondent for WBZ, you are Boston's NPR news station. She has been named the editorial board of the Boston Globe and Dr Lloyd Minor, Dean, of Stanford University School of Medicine Dr Minor as expertise and predictive medicine diagnostic research is also by training a head and neck surgeon member of the. The National Academy of Medicine and he interviewed Dr Anthony Fauci today about this coronavirus pandemic doctor that that interview earned. You are starting part tonight. I'm GONNA play for you. This is Tony Fauci from February. This is important because it's one of the quotes. The White House in attacking him circulated this weekend, but they just use the first portion as you'll see, Dr Fouled. She goes on. We'll talk about it on the other side. At this moment, there is no need to change anything. You're doing on a day by day basis right now. The risk is still low, but this could change I've said that many times even on this program. You've got to watch out because although the risk is low now. You don't need to change anything you're doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force. You Dude, a become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread. So you see Dr all the warnings and caveats came after that first sentence saying there's no need for people to change their behavior. February twenty-ninth was decades ago in terms of this pandemic at a basic level doctor. Can you believe there is a hit job out from? The White, House on the premier infectious disease specialist, our country has in the middle of a pandemic with one hundred and thirty six thousand Americans debt. Thank you Brian I. We know that this is a very serious fire. Since a very serious infection, and as you pointed out, it's caused a lot of illness and death in our country, and around the world. We also know that we still don't know enough about the virus about its transmission with. The day and Dr Faucher. Every medical expert continues to refine their opinions. Recommendations based upon evidence coming in, and and that evidence is coming in, but none of us has a crystal ball future and we act. We make recommendations based on the best evidence that we have at the time and I think that is exactly what knock your out. She has done throughout this pandemic. Have we learned a lot since February twenty ninth? Yes, we have. Doing Elsie this to be a much more serious problem than we did in late February early March. Yes, we do, and that's the nature of learning in the course of a pandemic. Doctor What about the wisdom of going after our lead guy as a country. Will. It's very important that all scientist physician leaders have the opportunity to speak what their expertise leads them to conclude to explain why they're concluding what they at the time and explain the evidence to the public. That's extremely important for all of us who are leaders in in biomedicine and we do that is accurately is timely fashion as we can I believe that's what Dr Foul. She has done. I believe that's what all of us who were involved in leadership positions in biomedicine, today or trying to do. Shannon, as you know in trump, friendly media, and in trump nation, the discrediting of Tony Fouled. She's been going on for months. Most people take it as an article of faith that he's been discredited. Part of the Anti Medicine Anti Science Movement that were fighting in the midst of a pandemic. What's your reporting on on? Who or what may be behind this latest trunch? Somebody had to really set out to do this. Somebody went to work on this and someone distributed it to us and others in the business. Well. I'm glad you mentioned that this smear campaign discrediting effort has been effective because when I talked to trump voters, they I mean echo a whole range of conspiracy theories out there about a doctor, Fauci a conspiracy theories linking him to China questions about the data, a general distrust among trump's supporters in his base about the data and the numbers and where they're coming from so. So. We're trump's base. These efforts have been successful in some people. Don't trust him just because it appears the president doesn't trust him. Of course, a wider more general population. Dr Factory still has a lot of popularity anything. It's sixty something percent sixty seven percent of Americans. Still Trust with he has to say about this virus, and that is what has bothered the president and. And his top aides and advisers for months now is the idea that Dr vouches giving his opinion, not the White House line which is unlike other spokespeople. They have out there like the head of health and Human Services or the surgeon general, who, for the most part are in lockstep messaging wise with the White House doctor Fau has been out there on his own his messaging wise. Wise and the president and his aides say listen the White House is the one who is going to make the call here. The president is making the decisions, and they don't like the idea that seems to have more influence than the president of the United States well as lots of reasons why we're in a position, but this has certainly been something going on for months. It goes to the very top level of the administration. The president's closest advisers have been criticizing vouchers. So when you ask whether these these talking points come from I can't reveal our are reporting. To that extent but I can't say that the very close. This level inner circle of the president is this criticism and concern about ability to carry a message to the public. That is not the message that the White House wants out there. Hey, Kim Education Secretary Devos made the mistake of running headlong into Danna, bash this weekend on CNN, where she may have made history becoming the first education secretary, not to have students or their teachers and their safety as a top of mind number one concern after that somewhat disastrous outing. Where does the campaign stand to reopen this nation's schools especially after those two big markets in California today? I think those two big districts. In California are a big indication of how local and state leaders have lost faith that they will get any sort of guidance any sort of instruction from the federal government besides open up or else secretary devos has threatened a stripping funding from schools that do not have that. Do not reopen when school leaders are saying what they want is to reopen, but to do that. They need more funds. They need more guidance. They need more support so that they can put in place safety measures. Finding? The right enough room to space children apart. Ramping up testing for for students and teachers and administrators. Figuring out exactly what to do, if numbers, uh, uh, Spike, or or continue to grow a once. Schools are reopening because closing them down again would be devastating, and without any of that support from the federal government. You're seeing districts like in Los Angeles and San Diego saying we cannot do this. You are seeing. Parents who want nothing more than to be able to send their kids to school so that they can learn and so that the parents can. Find a way to go back to work saying that they don't want to send their children back to school. Even in some districts in the DC area and other places that are planning on moving ahead with at least a partial reopening, so it's a big mess. The secretary is certainly out of step with the people who are on the ground, and the Democrats are using that as a campaign message for one more reason why they say Donald Trump must be voted out of office. Dr Minor. I saw an interview on television tonight with internist from the Washington. DC Metro area reports. He's got a patient who has had this twice. Seeing more mentions of this in literature and contemporaneous news reporting. What can you add this? We're still learning about immunity following infection with Kobe. And also we're learning about how to lessen the effects lower the severity of infection with covid nineteen. The whether or not there is or how many cases of patients who recover from covid nineteen. Who can become reinfected? That's a matter of intense investigation. We do know that many people following an infection doom out an immune response, and that immune response does seem to be protective for at least a period of high in many people, but the true instance of the protection the links. Links those are all things were being investigated today. It's important because as we therapies online therapies that should be beneficial before a vaccine is available, it's important that those new therapies either reduce the viral load because they prevent the virus from replicating or actually block as Moncloa antibodies do the attachment of the virus to its receptor, so those are things that are being actively investigated today. It's certainly going to be big news to survivors walking around with what they believed to be. antibodies Shannon petty piece. The presidential campaign is now of course so thoroughly intertwined with this the politics of the pandemic, the mechanics of health and the pandemic. Is it being ad libbed? Do you think on a daily basis? Well I've been told that the president is intentionally staying away from talking about Corona Virus that that strategy having him be the daily Voice of of the response going out there, doing the press conferences obviously did him. No favours so as we see this second way continuation of the first wave. However, you want to characterize it, we are not hearing from the president. Talk about this is the vice president who was out there doing the traveling and that by his advisors intentional, and they feel like it's best for politically. Stay away from this campaign perspective. The number one issue in the country, the thing that on every American mind, the president is not touching, so he is running a risk here of looking a eliminated from where the rest of the country as out of touch and on the campaign front when it comes to these rallies, we've now seen to events in Alabama rally in New Hampshire. Rally canceled really as a result of concerns about corona, the coronavirus the campaign was so built. Built around these rallies They were just part of the strategy. They were the strategy that was the campaign the rally. So now you have those, so you don't have the rallies and you have the president who is not addressing the number one issue in the country, so that puts them in a very difficult spot, and it is certainly a transition point in the campaign has been a reboot after reboot after reboot for the past few weeks. And the there is going to have to be some strategy going forward, but right now my reporting indicates they have not found what that strategy is going to be at this moment. Kim Two things are true number one. The toughest ads of this cycle are being made by Republicans some of them. Disaffected Republicans number two Joe Biden is saving a fortune in television, ads and things like jet fuel by campaigning from Delaware. What you hear from the Biden campaign these. Days yet, they are in feeling confident that right now. It's not a bad strategy to let president trump beat himself a which is if you believe recent polling is doing although Shannon's absolutely right? He's trying to stay away from the corona virus of based on recent polls, voters are holding him responsible for the fact that the coronavirus is not under control and. The former vice president is benefiting from that, and so that campaign is really hunkering down focusing on the swing states, and letting the Lincoln Project ads and other ads do the work elsewhere including here in DC where those ads play, because the intended target is the President A, but at the same time they're facing some concerns from Democrats outside of their circle who want to see Joe Biden go big to to campaign and try to get voters in places. Places like Texas and Arizona a thinking that a resounding victory would not only prevent president trump from claiming fraud or some other kind of shenanigans with the election results, but also help down handed it down ballot candidates across the country if Biden campaigns in a much broader way, they believe that the winds are at his back so he's facing that, but right now they're playing it. They're playing it cool with with some time left before the election. Doug Minor Shannon petty piece. Thanks as always Kim Atkins. We hope you'll still talk to US little folk when you get to the editorial board of the Boston Globe congratulations. That's great news coming up for a few weeks ago, one great American city could count corona virus cases on one hand not anymore. We'll talk about what happened. We'll talk about whether or not. It's a warning light to the rest of the country. The mayor will join US next. 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I'll be talking with neuroscientist Dr. crawl about the insidious ways stories of degeneracy drugs and blackness had been inter weaved in the American story, those far more crack in white communities why people always use more than black people, but the face of crack was black people, and it was a way for us to dismiss the problems of back group because we can say if it's crack well, that's their own doing this week on. Why is this happening? Search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. It was just three weeks ago. The great city of Pittsburgh hit an important milestone day with zero new reported corona virus cases that has all changed because the state widely reopen. Cases are climbing with Western PA seeing some of the largest increases New York Times reporting today, the city had been both diligent, lucky, and now quote over two weeks in late June and early July. allegheny county recorded more new cases than in the previous two months combined, and on some recent days has accounted for nearly half of all. All new known cases in Pennsylvania Pittsburgh's in allegany county, the spike in the Pittsburgh area offers a cautionary tale, even after months of village, vigilance and outbreak can flare up all of a sudden for more. We welcome to the broadcast bill peduto, the mayor of Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Mr. Mayor we want to note first off. You are in suddenly a dangerous neighborhood. You've got Ruby Red West Virginia, not talking politically, but in terms of the virus to your south and you've got Ohio you're west dealing with its own spikes. How is your city doing tonight? What worries you? as you stated, this is something that is happening regionally across Western. Pennsylvania New West Virginia and Eastern Ohio. Three areas that we're basically spared. A heavy impact during the early months in March in. Even May what ended up happening. Is We let our guard down we decided as a state to support the governor and to work together to allow businesses to reopen in then people who were being safe in keeping social distance. forgotten all that and stopped wearing masks and stop doing the things that kept our numbers down to begin with. what worries me is that we're still in the first face, and this is just a flare up in the first phase and the corona viruses virus that's been around for a while, and you know it has a season in that season really comes into play on October. November December. What we're seeing with Kovic teen is a resistance to go away during the summer in if we go into those seasons with high numbers. Most likely to see is something that will make what we saw earlier this year. looked like just the common cold. You're making a an announcement tomorrow. I understand about returned schools anything you'd care to preview tonight. There is no announcement. The will be making a Pittsburgh. Public Schools will be tomorrow and then. Our universities said we have seven universities within the city. will have announcements I believe either this week or next week. Full disclosure the First Jersey I had as a kid was number fifty eight for Jack Lambert and I'm still hoping he will sign my throwback helmets someday, so having established that. Do you think we will see home game? steelers home games this season. I try to remain optimistic on what will be able to see when it comes to entertainment or to? The way we would socialize. Before March but I'm also a realist, a pragmatist, we have to keep north stars. We do policy in decision. Making in that North Star has to be based around public health. What comes first is making sure that we have a safe community anything other than that. Is An add on the? We will try to work towards, but we will not jeopardize it. Mr Mayor were thinking of you and your great city mayor? Bill PEDUTO PITTSBURGH PA. Thank you very much for making time and come on the broadcast tonight coming up for us. The president claims he's received. Rave reviews for commuting the sentence of his friend of several decades Roger. Stone will play you. What stone had to say just tonight when we come back? The most important thing here is the courageousness of the president's act. I know there were many many many people who toll limited election year do this. Let Roger Stone wait maybe for a pardon after the election. Sean I don't think I would have lived that long? Not with my asthmatic condition, not with now sixty. Kobe nineteen cases in that prison? And, so with this Donald Trump apparently saves a life. The president said today. He's getting rave reviews for commuting. His longtime friend Roger Stone's forty month federal prison sentence. We learned today. The president's clemency granted doesn't just keep his friend Roger Out of the slammer it voids all parts of stone sentences, including period of supervised release and a twenty thousand dollar, fine stone was convicted of lying to Congress and witness tampering meanwhile former special counsel Robert Muller broke his silence this weekend about stones commutation. It was in the Washington Post where he wrote quote stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal. Federal crimes he remains a convicted felon, and rightly, so we made every decision in stones case as in all our cases based solely on the facts on the law, and in accordance with the rule of law, the women and men who conducted these investigations and prosecutions acted with the highest integrity claims to the contrary are false back with us. Tonight Tim O'Brien executive editor over at Bloomberg opinion. He's back from his role with the Bloomberg presidential campaign, which seems like a couple of decades ago by now, and he happens to be the author of trump nation, the art of being the Donald. So Tim, we are led to believe that Ag bar spoke up against this Though AG bar happens to be the hero of many leaked leaked story about ag bar. As subservient, an ag as we have had certainly in the modern era. Do you think that it's possible that trump cast aside any integrity and rigor of the DOJ, vetting process for commutations and chose to bail out a buddy of his. Brian, that's that so cynical view to think that this president would cast aside the rule of law process in good advice to do what served his own self interest of course I think that's what happened. This president never leaves much room for critics to end up being wrong. A, year ago in two thousand, nineteen, a day after Robert Muller concluded his Russian Investigation Donald Trump picked up the phone and tried to strong arm. The leader of Ukraine into digging up dirt on Joe Biden last week last Thursday a chief justice Roberts issues a I think a landmark Supreme Court decision, saying that the president of the United States does not exist beyond the reach of the law and then a day later on a Friday evening. He proceeds commute Roger Stone's sentence. Because Donald Trump doesn't care about the rule of law and I don't think that. Bill bar merely subservient. I think bill bar enables his behavior and he empowers it. Bill Bar had medaled in the sentencing of Michael Flynn. He had he had. He has long. Let it be known that he favors an imperial presidency. With, a president who operates at will in into large extent beyond the rule of law, so I think they're very much aligned here in I think. If take a cue from what's happened on recent Friday evenings from. The US attorney being pushed out in in the southern district of New York to Roger Stone being seeing his sentence commuted Brian I. Think you're GonNa have a lot of news dropping on Friday evenings on your show between now and election day. It certainly unfortunately certainly has changed the complexion of summertime Friday nights and our business Tim you are a human trigger for Donald, trump We have long since established that you've spent enough time around him and written enough words about him. so I want you to get to your theory that he's in survival mode which I also note will be triggered a new starting tomorrow when his nieces book tour starts. For her book. Right, on both counts Brian. A an experienced politician I. Think can adept politician at this point would be trying to expand. His or her reach. To the electric, but Donald Trump's doing none of that he's continuing to band pander to his base. I think you know he's been overtly racist. He's been overtly divisive. He is he is used the Bible as a prop to appeal to his evangelical supporters I think he's. Race Baiting and and revelling in racism to appeal to another of his electorate, all of which solidifies where he is with those who support the most, but is not going to extend his reach. To the places he needs to. He's going to win in November. Our mutual. Friend James Carville predicts trump is going to face a landslide in November. No indication suggests that but what I think he's doing is tying up loose ends and trying to beat back any critics 'cause first and foremost, channeling this through the lens of his own needs, and I think the Mary. Trump book arise right in the middle of a moment like this as as this catalogue of. Bad Dreams, and really horrible realities in the household in which Donald Trump grew up in Mary trump refers to. The trump's mansion in in Queens as the house in it, it's essentially a hothouse full of pathologies, emotional abandonment that shaped trump it's a very seminal and important book I think. Tim O'Brien. Thanks for having US end to among the nicer houses. We get invited into these days in the COVID zoom. SKYPE era. We appreciate it's great to see you again. Coming out for this one of the one of the darkest moments in recent years remember when we first heard the story that children were being separated from their parents at the border are Jacob Sober off has reported on this from the start. He'll tell us how an already precarious situation is now impacted by the corona virus when we come right back. Two years after the public outcry following the president's child separation policy, the controversy over children in detainment in our country continues today, a federal judge in DC delayed a ruling until next week on whether migrant parents held and family detention centers should be released along with their children that means as many as three hundred thirty five additional children and parents could be separated beginning this Friday covering. Covering this story is our Jacob Sober off. He has written a book about the experience called separated inside an American tragedy. Jacob is very good to have you on. If I asked you for a benchmark number of the children, we have separated in the confines of our country from their parents including the first wave at the start. Could you give me such a number from our government? We know the number is over five, thousand, four, hundred Brian, and those five thousand four hundred children were systematically traumatized, abused and tortured in the words of doctors on Physicians for Human Rights and that trauma abuse and torture in the words of those experts continues to this day will last a lifetime for those children, I D- separations the act of separations. As you just mentioned is still going on, and that's exactly why I wanted to write this book. This is not over. has this been the deterrent that Donald trump and his allies thought and hoped it would be, or could you argue these days that folks aren't exactly rushing across the border to get corona virus where we make it fresh daily? The trump administration simply will not let migrants across the border at this point, so no, it wasn't the deterrent. They wanted it to be effective in so far as they knew, they were warned and document extensively in the book exactly how they were warned a what this policy would do to these children, and how it would affect them for the rest of their lives, but today why why activists and lawyers and people who deal with children all the time. Time say this arguably worse. Is that people who want to get into this country? Today cannot and under the guise of corona virus, many migrants, including migrant children are being immediately turned around and sent back to their home. Countries by the trump administration. They're not even able to make it into the country and the small amount who are who are detained with their families. Nice detention are now subject to potential separation. A deadline is looming does Friday for that? You and Julia Ainsley reported that nearly half of the employees at just one detention center in Arizona tested positive for corona virus. What has this done to something? You have already called an American tragedy. They call. It awards zone. We talked to one employee who is currently an active employees in the Eloi detention center. One of the dissension centers in Arizona with the worst rate of corona virus staff is sick. chill of detainees sick, and that's what's also happening in these family detention centers and they knew that this would happen. This is not a surprise to them. and this type of situation this type of crisis that we're seeing inside the border patrol detention facilities. The ice detention facilities was easily. but frankly again want to write the book is. Coming you see me right there in that border? Patrol? Detention Center I'll never forget that day seeing those children under the mylar on the concrete floors supervised by security contractors in a watchtower and people said to me then. This is going to get worse. I didn't believe it. I couldn't believe what I saw with my own eyes. Then yet here we are today. Jacob Sober off. who was witness to it then and is here for US tonight as author of his new book separated inside an American tragedy, best of luck with it, and thank you very much for coming on our broadcast Jacob coming out after waiting and Cova test lines for hours, many Americans are told not to expect results for days five to seven days maybe longer a closer look at a problem that remains critical after five months of this now. Anybody that needs a desk gets a test. We there they have the test and the tests are beautiful. The President CDC headquarters that was over four months ago. It wasn't true then. It's not true tonight. If you can get tested than you likely know. The weight in many cases is a week or longer. The Atlanta mayor said tonight. Her wait for her families results eight days. She and her husband already have it which brings us to this guy, trump's former chief of staff. Mick Mulvaney as we said at the top of the broadcast, he went from calling this virus a hoax to declaring we have a testing problem. Because his family members were forced to wait, and that testing problem is affecting our ability to contain the virus, and so we're losing our report tonight from NBC's gave Gutierrez. From Florida to California Texas to Arizona testing, troubles are increasingly bogging down the nation's corona virus response delays in testing and inadequate testing are making people sicker are making the outbreaks bigger and are leading to more deaths. The trump administration has blamed some testing problems on mismanagement state level, and says the US did more than eight hundred thousand tasks on Friday. We test more than anybody by far and when you test you create cases but today. The president's former chief of staff wrote an op Ed for. For CNBC I know it isn't popular to talk about in some Republican circles, but we still have a testing problem in this country. My son was tested recently. We had to wait five to seven days for results. That is simply inexcusable. At this point in the pandemic in North Carolina Hugh, huff was tested than isolated in his bedroom in limbo. It's insane to me that it still takes up to two weeks seven days. Who knows in order for these results to come back public health. Health officials say skyrocketing demand is creating a shortage of testing supplies, such as swabs and reagents. The chemicals needed to conduct the tests. The delays critic say are making an army of contact tracers paid for by taxpayers, essentially useless Franklin. You have a a state like Florida. That's on fire like this contact. Tracing almost becomes irrelevant. It can't be done is kind of like trying to plant Petunias in the middle of a hurricane and in Florida. There's mounting frustration at or patients. Wait in long lines. Lines athletes are getting tested frequently one NBA player posting on social media that he's been tested twenty times since arriving in Orlando for the season now the race is on to develop quicker methods at Arizona State. University researchers are aiming to conduct sixty thousand tests a day up from two thousand by analyzing saliva here in New York City. Some patients are waiting more than a week for their test results. The mayor here is urging the federal government to invoke the Defense Production Act to expand capacity. Our thanks to give Gutierrez for that report coming up for us. A leading voice of authority endorsed by the Governor of New York on the efficacy of wearing a mask. Last thing before we go tonight, someone we saw on social media, the governor of New York also apparently saw her, and promptly sent out her message to his followers. We haven't heard the president urged Americans to wear a mask. We have heard a Lotta grownups now we have her. Read the name the Holy Grail. Of Men. So here defending. Har-. Virus called me that paranoia virus. We can't. Can People. Able to breathe very well. And Sound. In this grownup that plant and can't breathe that means. that. The meeting everyone wear masks. That They. PAROLIN virus. Any were getting it. To her horrible. So We want everyone to know. So rare on that. We are saying this weekend. Raymond No. Little girl from New York, so one time epicenter, all of this a city that recorded zero deaths from corona virus just today. That's our effort for this Monday evening as we start a new week together, thank you so very much for being here with us. On behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of NBC News could night. Hey everybody. It's Brian Williams and thank you for listening I. Do want to invite you to talk with us here at MSNBC. 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Day 1,155: U.S. coronavirus cases top 13,000 as Trump tells states to do more

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Day 1,155: U.S. coronavirus cases top 13,000 as Trump tells states to do more

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One more time simplisafe dot com slash our live picture tonight of a dark and desolate Las Vegas Strip hard to believe but most of the casinos have shut down and with those the jobs of all the people who make that city go. Well good evening once again day. Eleven hundred fifty five of this trump administration two hundred twenty nine days until our presidential election and two numbers were way up today confirmed cases and new claims for unemployment. What this virus has yet to do to people? It is doing to the American economy just tonight. Governor Gavin newsom of California announced a statewide. Stay at home order. Remember this effect. Some forty million Americans that came just after he warned that upwards of twenty five million Californians may contract the virus a number too large to even begin. The process confirmed cases in the. Us are now above thirteen thousand which the Washington Post now. Reports is double the number since just Tuesday of this week. The death toll in Italy has now overtaken the death toll in China the US State Department issued an extraordinary warning today telling Americans to avoid overseas travel. The upcoming June g seven summit at Camp. David has been canceled. It will be a video conference just like every other consequential meeting these days. Nbc News has also confirmed a Reuters report that trump plans to place new restrictions on travel between the US and Mexico. America's healthcare professionals of course remain on the front lines of this battle against the outbreak tonight. Groups representing hospitals medical are warning. They are quickly running short on supplies. Nbc News Reporting. There are now asking Congress for at least one hundred billion dollars in financial aid right now at the White House. Trump yesterday described himself as a wartime president asked why he hadn't yet put into effect the law allowing him to tell manufacturers to make more medical equipment. For starters. You enabled I guess is probably the Best Defense Production Act yesterday. Pull the trigger on now because we are not going to need. What's the rationale for? Not your first of all governors are supposed to be doing a lot of this work and they are doing a lot of this work. Federal Government's supposed to be out there. Ah Buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know we're not a shipping clerk. Trump appeared to indicate that the administration was caught off guard. By the growing need for life saving supplies we're working very hard trying to find. Nobody in their wildest dreams would have ever thought that we need tens of thousands of ventilators. This is something that's unique to this this afternoon. In the president's home city of New York which now has upwards of a thousand Corona Virus Cases Mayor Bill de Blasio Brat blasted. The president will only say to the present. I don't understand and I think there are. Millions and tens of millions of Americans. Don't understand what you are doing right now. You are not using the tools of your office through the Defense Production Act. The president could authorize department of Health and Human Services to order manufacturers to provide materials and services and to use their private facilities for manufacturing needed items that has not happened on the matter of treatment. Trump also announced he was directing the FDA to push forward with tests for two drugs. Already used for other illnesses earlier. This week we began the political trial of vaccine candidate for the virus and that was launched in record time. We're also pursuing antiviral therapies. A drug called chloroquine in some people would add two hydroxy hydroxy Clark when we're going to be able to make that drunk available by prescription or State Rim Desa Voire and that say drug use for other purposes at drug also has been approved or very close to approved in that case by the FDA note that there has been no FDA approval yet for these treatments and now to those suddenly out of work the US Department of Labor reported two hundred eighty-one thousand new claims for unemployment insurance just last week. The latest Republican bill emerging in the Senate is a trillion dollars in stimulus that includes direct cash payments for some Americans. Nbc News Reporting. The White House wants to see a vote on the bill on Monday trump ally South Carolina Republican Lindsey. Graham was asked about the potential for getting the bill to the floor with minimal delay. Dining done early next week. It's all the we don't go get her ass are having a squad. Alvis myself and speaking of the Senate Republican Richard Burr of North Carolina. Who FAMOUSLY ENJOYS? His privacy is squarely in the public eye and public conversation tonight. Npr reporting the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of his constituents and donors three weeks ago to get ready for the severe economic and societal effects of the corona virus according to a recording of his remarks obtained by NPR. Much more than anything. We've seen in recent history probably work into the nineteen eighteen and senator burs warning came on. February twenty seven th the same day. Donald Trump said this. It's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle it will disappear. Npr also reporting in his public comments about the threat of Corona virus. Burr never offered the kind of precise warning that he delivered to that private gathering. Even though on February seventh burr co authored an OP. Ed that laid out the tools the US government had at its disposal to fight this corona virus PROPUBLICA also reports tonight that senator bursts sold up to one point seven million dollars in stock after reassuring the public about Corona Virus Preparedness Propublica notes. The sales were on February thirteenth around the same time. His committee was receiving daily. Corona virus. Briefings Tonight one of burs aides tells. Nbc News. The stock sales quote were made several weeks before the US and financial markets showed signs of volatility due to the growing corona virus outbreak and new reporting. Tonight that the recently appointed Republican. Us Senator from Georgia Kelley law flour dumped millions in stock after attending a senators only corona virus briefing and the following dynamic continues to play out trump and his party and his friends. And the news. Media have grappled with the optics of this growing corona virus outbreak. They have often and pointedly taken great pains to refer to it as the Chinese virus and worse even though medical experts on the World Health Organization. Say That's inaccurate not to mention stigmatizing. Well showed up again today in this photograph captured by Washington. Post still photographer. Jabeen Botsford as trump step to the podium for today's White House briefing. The word corona was crossed out and replaced in sharpy with Chinese on that note. Here for our leadoff discussion on a Thursday night. Shannon petty piece of veteran journalist and senior White House reporter for us at NBC News Digital Peter Baker Chief White House correspondent for the New York Times and Dr Michael Minna an expert in epidemiology infectious diseases clinical microbiology. Immunology happens to be Assistant Professor at Harvard School of Public Health and a core member of the Harvard Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics and doctor because of all the Boniface. I just read aloud. I'd like to begin with you and specifically your reaction to this stay at home order for forty million souls in the state of California. I think that it's the it's the right thing to do. At this point in time in particular in the absence of per good testing and wide scale testing. We don't really know where we are in the course of this epidemic and so These these what seemed like somewhat extreme measures are actually the one way that we really know that we can can stop the the fast transmission of this virus that seems to be really sweeping across the globe. People are already asking questions as people are eager to do if California is doing this. Does that mean almost by association that New York City such a dense concentrated. Urban Center should be doing that. Same thing at minimum. I think New York City. It probably should be. I mean it is. It's an extraordinarily dense city as you say and and this virus has is very likely to to transmit widely throughout the city like that and and really across most urban centers and so. I think that it it needs to be balanced of course against the economic impact that will have and the and the social impact but I from from public health and medical perspective. What we're really trying to do is trying to preserve the healthcare and healthcare industry from sort of ripping at it seems as a result of this virus and and these are the types of actions that we really need to start taking as a society right now looking at Times Square in New York. Still judge an incredible image of the usually teaming crossroads of the World Shannon Petty Peace to your reporting. Now how do we deal with the stoppage of transportation between the US and Max Mexico in both directions? How do we for that matter? Go about bringing home. The Americans who are flying about the world right well and I mean it could be a precursor to more restrictions even still to come with international travel. You know you have the White House administration now advising people against international travel but we don't see a full out ban travel and so that's another step that could be. This could be a precursor to all that the latest action. They're taking though on. International travel is stopping the flow of any non essential travel between the US and Mexico. That's something our reporting indicates that the administration is planning to announce could be as early as tomorrow. We'll be very similar to what was announced with Canada on Wednesday. Where again the border was essentially closed any non essential travel between Canada and the US and Canada situation that doesn't affect trade so we believe That with the Mexico with Mexico won't affect trade at all. But you know I'll note the you know. The the trump administration has long talked threatened about closing the border to Mexico because of concerns about illegal immigration. We're coming up into a time of year for the harvest where farmers need a lot of migrant workers and the farm bureau actually put out a statement earlier this week saying that they need the State Department to pick up the pace of approving migrant worker visas to get the harvest season so the food supply is not disrupted From having a lack of migrant workers so I think a big question out there right now is obviously the. Us has been trying to crack down on illegal immigration. But what's GonNa Happen to legal immigration coming from Mexico and I should also note? Mexico only has about one hundred and eighteen cases of virus right now. Of course that's confirmed cases. We don't know what the testing situations like. We've obviously had our own testing struggles here But no they're closing down this flow of people When we don't necessarily know there's an enormous problem in Mexico right now of course the Mexicans might not want Americans coming into Mexico since we seemed to have a much bigger problem than they do at this point at least according to the data available that we have But I think there's going to be a lot of issues that come from this move if indeed. The administration announces that soon as reporting indicates it will Peter Breaker a little history. That you already know. The Spanish flu nine thousand nine hundred eighteen was in Spanish at all. It likely originated in Kansas Right Smack. Dab in the middle of our country but on that same theme it is clear the president the White House staff their friends at Fox. News have decided they need to make China and enemy in. This story will listen here to the president. Criticizing China much better. If we had known about this a number of months earlier it could have been contained that one area in China where it started and certainly the world is paying a big price for what they did and world is paying a very big price for not for not letting them come out. Excuse me excuse me before we started reading about we could could have been stopped in. It's tracks unfortunately they didn't decide to make it public but the whole world is suffering because of this part of a larger effort to tell us what we saw and heard for ourselves in the past indeed. The second thing I'm GonNa play for you. Is the president eight weeks ago? You Trust that. We're going to know everything we need to know from. China I do. I do have a good relationship with president cheap so Peter Baker among those two guys who happened to be the same president. Who's right yeah look? There's plenty of room for criticism of the way the Chinese government has handled US remember. Of course the doctor. Who was the early whistle blower tried to bring more attention to what was happening Father was of course suppressed by Chinese government. It's one reason. Why my colleagues in the New York Times and our compatriots in the Washington Post in Wall Street Journal have just been told? You have to leave the country because back the reporting From Western News Media. I think has probably embarrassed the Chinese government. But that's not what the president is only talking about this. The only thing going on with the president here He. He works better in political sense when he has an enemy and in this case he decided that China is. The enemy is foreign And that fits into a course a pattern we've seen throughout his presidency. Presidency has been built in large part on the theory that the outside world is a threat to the United States whether it be a rapist and gang members or trade or Security threats now disease. It's all coming from the outside. Which justifies tougher measures at the border It may be right that these measures are taken at various points very poise along the way but the the frame this China virus is meant to play a political role in the president's policy making to enter flecked attention away from things that he and his own administration didn't do early on Shannon petty piece. A story that is custom made to light a prairie fire of populist anger people are generically just angry at the situation now already. Is this story about Senator Burr and it could wind up to be several members of the US Senate because it combines insider information and personal profit. Tonight I noted of all People Tucker Carlson on Fox. Called straight up for the senator to resign. This sure will make an interesting plotline in the days to come and I think it highlights this sense. We've been getting all along that there's a two Americas here like people have pointed out in in other similar crises and situations you have the one where athletes and celebrities are able to get the corona virus test and other people are waiting in line are told by their doctors of. I can't get that for you. I don't know how to get testing. You have one where the president is telling people this viruses going away where you have the president's Economic Adviser. Larry cudlow telling people to buy the dip win stocks. Were down just one to two percent at the very beginning of this stock market. Rout that we're going through right now. And another where senators are getting these private briefings and selling their stocks and so many people at home concerned about their jobs seeing their 401k. Their kid's college savings tumble. I think this is really going to resonate with a lot of people and Peter. Baker Wall Street Journal story on Senator. Patty Murray interview with her. She just becomes another voice saying that she raise alarms with the administration about the testing shortages. Since mid February as more cases began appearing in her state she just becomes the latest voice to say all this all of my conversations with them was not to worry by Friday. We'll have X. amount. She said the numbers just seem so made up. Peter this is where the the words out of the West Wing won't match the reality people are living across this country. Yeah I think that's right. You know we were weeks ago From the White House that there will be four million tests available but of course at the moment a certain number of tens of thousands less than have actually been administered. This point your story. After story people waiting in line unable to get a task calling around various places told they can't Our local doctor here in Washington says look I have no tests. Don't come to me about that. That's that's a common experience among people in hard hit places and that's why I think people have looked at what they heard from some of these briefings with a little bit of a jaundiced eye. It doesn't seem to match the reality that a lot of them and a lot of their neighbors hearing. I think that that the president has had a tough times owning up to this. And saying yeah. This has been a problem and we're doing the best we can but yes. It has been something that hasn't gone right instead. Of course he's busy defending himself. He wants credit for everything. He's Donnie gave himself a ten on a scale town. How hamlet so far and that doesn't square with a what would a lot you'll see in their own lives. Doctor you get the last word. And that is about this malaria medication. That's been around for decades that the president mentioned today one as far as to say could be a game changer. Maybe not people are grasping for anything positive here. Dr Wha how should we regard this medication as a potential treatment after the fact I think we have to take it? We really have to wait until we see what? What some of the clinical trials show. There are certainly trials. That are ongoing. Now there's some decent evidence that came in particular after SARS This was explored Sometimes in animal models and experimental systems and there is a mechanistic understanding of that that that this could work There are some early evidence from from earlier in this Epidemic but I think to really understand just just how beneficial with us will chloroquine actually be for for fighting this virus and individuals. I think it's really going to take some rigorous testing and the trials are starting and so hopefully within the within the coming months. We'll have a much better idea of of just how effective this and some of the other medications that he that he listed off might actually be as I say everybody's eager for good news to Shannon petty piece to Peter Baker to Dr Michael Joseph. Menna thank you very much for coming on tonight and coming up for us and unexpected finding from the CDC about one of the groups ending up needing the most critical care and later the most peculiar question. Today's briefing will play it for you as the eleventh hour is getting started on this Thursday night. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with Michael Lewis. Who wrote an amazing book about what it looks like inside the bowels of the federal government in the trump administration particularly those people trying to deal with big systemic risks? It's extremely topical as we battle the Corona virus so I interview people close to trump and nobody said anything but he just doesn't know anything and he doesn't have much interest in learning about it. And when that's at the top all of a sudden you've got this very mission driven enterprise with someone who's GonNa interest in the mission what Russia's in WHO's GonNa show up to work for that administration and what they have in common is they have some narrow financial interest in whatever the enterprise is. That's this week on. Why is this happening search for? Why is this happening? Wherever you're listening right. Now and subscribe estate is large as ours. Nation state is many parts but at the end of the day. We're one body. There's a mutuality. And there's a recognition of our interdependence that requires of this moment that we direct a statewide order for people to stay at home that directive goes into force in effect. This evening and we were confident. We are confident that the people the State of California will abide by it. There has never been anything like this in our country as governors across this country struggle to keep hospital supplied. There is this headline from the Los Angeles Times more than half of Californians could become infected with corona virus. The Governor says to trump projecting twenty five point five million people in that state potentially infected. And so it's very important to have with US tonight from Los Angeles Dr Anne Ramona Professor of Epidemiology at the Ucla Fielding School of Public Health and Infectious Disease Division of the Geffen School of Medicine. She specializes in emerging infectious. Diseases started her career in fact in public health as a Peace Corps volunteer in West Africa. And we'll get to that too before. This discussion is over Doc What do you make? You're you're in California. What do you make of that entire state and the new rules of the road going forward starting tonight? I think a really good thing we we really need to be doing right now is what I like to say. We're pulling together by staying apart. And that's what the the state of. California is really trying to do. That's what our Mayor Eric. Garcetti Tra Put forward today. I think this is a smart thing what we really need to do is we need to do what everybody is saying. We need to. We need to flatten the curve. We need to slow down the pace of infection so that our hospitals don't get overwhelmed and we can protect all of these vulnerable Populations here the elderly people who have underlying conditions all the things that we've been hearing this is the measure that will make a difference and all you have to do is look at the global data to see. This is what actually works. This is what worked in China. This is what worked in other places like Singapore Hong Kong. And it's starting to bring down the curve in Europe as well. I've heard the advice that if we all walk around as if we know we have it and we all regard the space between us that way. That is something that would indeed flatten the curve. Is that correct? Absolutely if we all act like we have it and we try not to pass it onto somebody else. We're going to do a really good job at keeping the the amount of disease down. That's a perfect way of putting it Keeping six feet away from each other in public places covering your mouth when you cough sneezing into your arm taking really good care of hygiene. That's what we need to do. So if everybody acts like they have it and doesn't want to pass it onto somebody else. That's the best case scenario. We're GONNA talk about spring break before this broadcast is over young people. Being young people have been going on spring break. Are you concerned at the new stats today? Showing this uptick in disease severity. That we didn't think was necessarily happening among young people. This is actually data. That is not surprising to too many of us who've been following the global data. We know that all age groups except the very young have very serious serious outcomes. What we're seeing now is a study focusing on this younger group. And seeing that people to do not get out scot-free everyone can be affected by this virus and that's why we have to be very very careful This is not. This is not really surprising. Data I should. I should say I think that the issue is is that people haven't been focusing on the young people and many of these of these young people weren't tested so we don't really have a full picture at this point. Either when we have more data on children will really know what the true effects are in this population. Doctor as I mentioned. I know you're justifiably crowd proud of your time in the Peace Corps. We had a family member in the Peace Corps. The daughter of dear friends of ours I just learned is home tonight from her work in Africa. The Peace Corps has never ever ordered all their volunteers home. But it has happened now in. This must break your art. It does now. I'm always happy to answer any question about Peace Corps because it totally changed my life and and I I really feel that what the the Peace Corps did by pulling people. Home was the right thing to do. We Have Young. Volunteers also older volunteers. All over the world but living in a variety of different circumstances Living in communities often without running water electricity and certainly without good healthcare in most places so it is very prudent to bringing people home right now. It's a it's a wonderful program and it will start up again once we're through this so right now the best thing to do is bring 'em home keep them safe and let them back out when it's time to go well. I'm hoping in assuming you are immune from the shelter in place order and I'm hoping an assuming we can do this again. And you can be free to join us again doctor and remind us from southern California tonight. Thank you so very much for coming on coming up for us. The HASHTAG wears Was Trending today. Why has the nation's top immunologist been missing from the on camera seen of late the CDC has put out guidelines for hospitals that are dealing with a shortage of mass to use them on their shelf life reuse them getting new ones and in a worst case scenario using van? Danna instead of a mask. How is that acceptable at all? I haven't seen that but I will let Mike. Answer that question Vice President and I just. I can't emphasize enough. The incredible progress that was made with the passage of the legislation last night. That was not exactly a direct answer to the question of medical supply shortages. It's been over a week since anybody from the agency the CDC spoke at the podium the Washington Post reports the CDC has been sidelined to prioritize the White House public facing task force for his part. Dr Tony Found. She said tonight he was doing. Nih Business Today. He said he'll be back to the briefing room tomorrow. He said it's nothing more sinister than that. And he's not being sidelined back with us. Tonight is Ron claim. A political veteran now informally advising the Biden campaign but most importantly it was ron claiborne. Who Oversaw the response to the bowl outbreak? During the Obama presidency he also importantly is co host of a new podcast about the corona virus called Epidemic Ron. First things first Minnesota mining and manufacturing company. Three M terrific company full of terrific people they gave the world post it notes by God and a whole lot of other things. Why can't the president federalized their MASK ASSEMBLY LINE? And just say will make you whole but we need you to triple production. Everything that comes out of here we're GONNA distribute because what we're hearing from the briefing room. We're not seeing those masks in healthcare facilities. Well the answer is he can. I mean The law that the president expanded last week the Defense Production Act gives them precisely that authority Brian. So the question really isn't White Candy. It's why won't he and I think that's a really hard question. You heard the president say today. I'm not a delivery clerk and as way to kind of dismissed this concern about these medical supplies states. Somehow she just kind of order them on their own right but we heard governor today tell the president that when the state tried to order the Federal Government. Outbid them for those medical supplies. So all this goes to this fundamental point. I've been making several times on your show over the course of this. Which is that it's the responsibly. The federal government to take control of the supply chain and to make sure the supplies are getting to where they need to get to. That means we need to make more of them and we need to get them to the places that they're most urgently needed if not if the federal government kind of throws up since hands. We're GONNA wake up two stories of some hospitals without mask without rory seeing that and others with a surplus of them because they have better relationships with the suppliers this needs to be organized from Washington managed Washington to the benefit of all of us to get the supplies where they need to be when they need to be there. That's why I wanted you to come on. And normalize are thinking we see these briefings. We hear the president say some form of you know the federal government can't be in the business of ordering all these and you say to yourself in normal times just a few weeks back. Oh no they can they do. And they have yeah. And and that is the responsibility of the government. There's a whole structure that set up an agency inside the proper health and Human Services called Asper the Assistant Secretary for preparedness and Response. That's supposed to oversee these things and other agency inside. Hhs called Barda which is a biological defense agency. That's supposed to help spur. Production of key biological responses Thaksin's and things like that biomedical I should say. And so you know th- there are structures to do this. There are powers to do this and I think the president has instead chosen of course of trying to increasingly say. Hey this is the state's problem. Hey this is the governor's problem we're not gonNA manages from your and look. Let's give the governor's credit. They are stepping up both Democrats and Republicans is not a partisan thing governor dewine in Ohio Governor Cuomo in New York. We could go down the line and call a roll-call a both Democrat and Republican governors. And they're stepping up but they don't have the power that the federal government has to solve this. They don't have the resources. The federal government has to solve this and they also can't sort and direct the supplies and the things. We need to the places where they're needed. The most this disease is gonna hit different places at different times. Get everybody a little bit now but is going to surge in some places so someone with a planning charge from Washington has to say. Hey we need to get this here. We need to get that there. This is the order they need to go in and that should be happening right now from the administration final question. How worried are you when you read reports that the CDC wants to say something and has been enjoying somehow from doing so? Yeah I mean Brian. I'm very worried it's been nine days without a briefing for the Centers for Disease Control. And that's extraordinary and kind of normal times but thought whatever's beyond extraordinary public health crisis. They are the nation's public health authorities and they are the ones who should hearing from president. Trump stands at that podium every day and says things that are untrue. He says that yours are coming. That aren't really coming vaccines coming. That aren't really coming that Google built some website that they haven't really built that you can get tests when you can't really get them and so people can't really rely on that information we need to hear. Cdc Tell US accurate information on a timely basis. So far we're using governors as subcontractors and all of this Ron claim. We're GONNA ask you to come on again many times I know. Thank you very much for staying up late with US tonight. After the day you've had already and coming up for us. Our next guest has his own. Take or take down of the president's skillset on crisis management with all of those in the teeth of an emergency considered a term Chinese food racist food that originates in China and has. I don't think it's richest on that note. Major luxury news media even in this room. How teamed up with Chinese Communist Party narratives and they're claiming you are racist for making these claims about China's I. Is it a little that major media players just as you are consistently siding with Foreign Sitcom Ganda Islamic radicals gangs and cartels and we work here up White House with direct access to you and your teeth. There are siding with their siding with China. They are doing things that they shouldn't be doing. This idea with many others China's the least of it was a moment that was today on live national television. That question in the briefing room today immediately labeled plant was from Chanel. Ryan Riyan. Forgive me chief. White House correspondent for one America News Network Misery on recently aired a story about a sense debunked conspiracy theory that the corona virus was hatched and a lab in North Carolina. That is a Chinese talking point by the way it was the good folks at away. In who recently teamed up with Rudy Giuliani to televise his investigation into the Biden's that particular question. There today was just one opportunity. The president took to attack the news media in the midst of this crisis. I think with social distancing that the media has been much nicer. I don't know what it is all these empty inbetween chairs now. The economy is essentially ground to a halt thanks for telling appreciate stores. Flows travel has slowed down. And what's the recipe for? Everybody in the room knows it. You're actually sitting too close. You should really. We should probably have about another seventy five eighty percent of you. I have just two or three that I like in this room. I think that's a great way of doing. It amazes me when I read the things that I read. But it is fake news. It's more than victor's. It's corrupt news. This administration has done a great job. But the press is very dishonest. Back with US tonight. Michael Steele former chairman of the Republican National Committee former Lieutenant Governor of the Great State of Maryland. These days host of the Michael Steele podcast and happily at home the way so. Many of our guests are Michael. What's going on and by the way? Where's the Republicans? Oh they are. They're in a bunker somewhere. Absolutely look at trump was doing what he likes to do. Risk against the press You know taking kernels of this and the added mixing together as own Little Stu. He's talking about. Oh yeah you know. We'd get rid of the eighty percent of you. That left in the room get okay. Whatever trump we know that of all the things. He relishes of that more than he does. Standing there talking about corona virus. Because that's the serious part of the job. That's the part of the job that requires him to own up to what is administration has done and what it is failed to and that reality is something that hits home. Every day you saw that little segment where the reporters like the stock market has crashed. The economy is imploding. It was like no. We know that those I don't WanNa talk about it. Move On von gives. If you don't say it then we won't know it if he doesn't hear it out loud than it doesn't happen and that's part of the problem that we see with this president is that he doesn't internalize things. The way he should as most presidents in the past have and take ownership of in the speaker. Okay this is what I need to fix it. The other attempts to tell us what we ourselves saw and heard or did not see and hear really has at its core assumption that we must be stupid and the latest example. I'll play for you here. Mr Hannity scaring the living hell out of people and I see it again is like Oh. Let's bludgeoned trump with this new hoax by the way this program is always taken the corona virus seriously and we've never called the virus a hoax. Michael the speed with which the entire crowd turned around just days ago and awoke with new seriousness. Fox coverage changed. Along with the president's verbiage It was freaky to watch. Yeah and the reason for that was a lot of what was happening in the country was happening to their audience. They were they were talking to their own folks who were telling them. I think we have a problem here. And the fact of the matter. Is You know this is not a west coast problem. This was not something that occurred just in California or in Washington state. This was not something that happened in New York City. This is something that's happening in the heartland of the country as well in the south as well and so as the entire nation is at that is in this corona virus footing right now and so the narrative has to change. You can't go out and claim that this is somehow democratic politics. That's part of an anti-trump narrative. The reality of it is it's hitting everybody regardless of their ideology philosophy or their party and the country as a whole is looking to the man in the Oval Office. Who Right now really. Don't give a damn if he's a Democrat or Republican. They just want to know. What are you doing to prevent my family from getting sick? What are you doing so I don't have to fire my employees. What are you doing to make sure that my small business? My restaurant can open in a few weeks. That's the new reality Michael Steele with. Thanks to you for being a cameraman and guest. I can't believe this is where we are but we're race timing on network television now. I know get used to it. Michael Steele always a pleasure. Thank you my friends. Went ON AND COMING UP FOR. Us fighting a pandemic in rural America. When we come back another look tonight at Las Vegas having just been out there it. It is incredible to see the city. Shut down a financial disaster for a town built entirely around one industry hospitality tens of thousands of people out of work. Just like that then. There are the vast stretches of our country that are not in the shadow of a big city and the profound worry is right about now about whether America's community hospitals are ready for. What we know is coming when this virus settles in our report on this tonight from NBC. News correspondent Stephanie. Four from the densely populated cities rural. America may seem better protected from the corona virus but health officials. Say It is a matter of time before it spreads everywhere and people here could be especially vulnerable. You are dealing with a demographic that could be the hardest hit by this virus aren't you? We are the rural population in the. Us tends to be older and generally less healthy than people in the cities. While the number of hospitals providing services is dwindling. One hundred and twenty six have closed in the last decade six so far this year and now append imagine a huge tidal wave. And we feel like we're in the shadow and we're waiting for the wave to hit Steve. Kelly runs ellendale regional hospital in. New York's catskill mountains where they've been working around the clock to prepare a trio station that is set up for patients that have flu symptoms. His facility has twenty five beds for twenty eight thousand people. A neighboring county has already asked visitors. To stay away. How many ventilators do you have one? Ventilator one ventilator so you can have one patient who needs a ventilator and then what do you do after that we transfer the patient? It's the same situation at Holden Community Hospital in Kansas where they already are reusing protective gear. It's very scary. Enroll America staff. Where a lot of different hats? Just take my safety officer. She's my infection control nurse. She's my safety officer. She also is my employee health nurse a hospital in Oklahoma is seeing respiratory problems but has no tests one in Wisconsin. Running out of swabs and masks another in Indiana worried about money the National World Health Associations warning the rural health care safety net was already fragile now. It's being crippled by Kovic. Nineteen Stephanie Gospel. Nbc News Ellen. New York unbelievable situation another break for us and coming up in our country where everything right about now seems broken or ready to break. Truth is it's spring break that remains intact. Here's hoping they go home with just a mild somber. Get the hell off the beach the last thing before we go tonight. Some of the more famous warnings over the years from the beaches of Normandy to the beaches of New Jersey. They now apply to Florida. It is spring break for millions of students after all and the older folks who have been following the rules and self quarantining have been watching these pictures of spring break just horrified at. Should we call it? The opposite of social distancing something a lot closer to social intimacy among thousands who now go home with whatever. They've got to pass it along to whomever is in their household fuelled by a combination of Yo Lo and foam. Oh and perhaps a beverage or two here again. A sampling of the lack of corona concern among the songs Corona Corona Identity Day. I'm not GonNa let us stop me from party. It's good to take precautions. Granted spring break. Everyone's going to be at the beach regardless Maria accident. Even it the message I think for spring breakers is at the Party's over in Florida. So that last guy there is the governor and yes he is several weeks too late and while most Florida beaches are by now shutdown to crowds clear. Clear Water for one is still open and they are shutting down but right after one more weekend of partying revelry and Revenue Fund in the Sun. Please remember tourism is or used to be a forty billion dollar business in the state of Florida and beaches in Georgia are still open and some of them crowded and for the record we hope for everybody's sake that this cruel virus finds a way to be kind to all who were there. That is our broadcast for this Thursday night from our temporary satellite studio. Thank you for being here with us. And good night. Hey everyone it's Dylan byers from NBC News on my new podcast buyer's market. I'm taking you behind the scenes of the rapidly changing world of technology and media. I sit down one on one with powerbrokers like facebook. Sheryl Sandberg. Espn's Jimmy Taro and media mogul Barry diller. Talk about how. 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Day 1,301: Biden and Harris torch Trump on COVID-19 in joint appearance

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

47:10 min | 2 months ago

Day 1,301: Biden and Harris torch Trump on COVID-19 in joint appearance

"And good evening. Once again, day thirteen, hundred, one of the trump administration leaving eighty three days until our presidential election and today we got to see the Democratic ticket Joe Biden Comma Harris Together for the first time this afternoon in Wilmington Delaware and as close as a pandemic would allow just like the rest of this pandemic campaign season thus far it was an unusual and silent rollout both candidates emerged wearing masks removing them only to speak yet when they did they wasted no time in drawing a stark contrast with the current president for losing control of the pandemic and the US economy. No real leadership our plan. From the president of the United States how to get this dynamic under control, he's issuing executive orders. And making promises. President says it's not my fault. The government the governor should thank me more. As it all saying goes give me a break. We have an economic crisis. Donald Trump. Is on track. To break another record. on-track to leave office was the worst jobs record. Of any American President of modern history that case against Donald, trump and Mike pence is open shut more than sixteen million out of work. Millions of kids who cannot go back to school. A crisis of poverty of homelessness, more than a hundred and sixty five thousand lives that have been cut short. Many with loved ones who never got the chance to say goodbye. When other countries are following the science trump pushed miracle cures he saw on Fox News. While other countries where flattening the curve, he said the vice would just who've go away. While these Democrats try to frame this campaign about the virus, which is not a reach the US has now topped five point two million confirmed cases over one hundred, sixty, six, thousand Americans have lost their lives tonight the Washington Post. Has this sobering report about the rate of deaths quote Wednesday the country reported its highest number of deaths in a single day since mid May at nearly fifteen hundred. The country has now seen at seven day average of newly reported deaths remain above a thousand for seventeen consecutive days. The daily beast reporting tonight the children's Hospital of Philadelphia their projections have been used by the White House. Virus Taskforce is warning that Baltimore Chicago Boston could all be next virus hotspots none of that mentioned during today's White House briefing, which started shortly after the Biden Harris event. Instead, the president started with praise for the economy. He compared the US recovery to other nations. He again hailed Wall Street's numbers and set it all signals a v-shaped economy as he put it. Trump. Also blamed Democrats forestalled relief talks on Capitol Hill. He seemed to threaten to not fund the Post Office to stop. Universal Mail in voting then he got around to the virus. Many other locations. It's doing very well many locations. Really in fantastic shape. Some with very little if any problem. Large portions of the United States. Then after reintroducing his new advisor. The Fox News Contributor Scott Atlas. Trump was back on the attack against Comma. Harris. Didn't. Watch I. saw just a moment of him speaking a moment of her speaking. And it was enough look he made a choice he picked her. I watch sure I watched her poll numbers go wrong bomb bomb down to almost nothing. And she left angry she left mad. There was nobody more insulting to Biden. than she was, and now all of a sudden she's running to be. Vice President saying how wonderful he is. I thought it was a very unusual pick because she said, such bad things I, think that's probably one of the reasons she was a terrible candidate and was forced to leave the race because she got her facts. Wrong. Interest is very bad on facts. We've done the best job of any country in the world, and that includes from making ventilators at nobody else could have done. When you look at the job that we've done compared to others we've done a great job. Earlier in the day using language and rhetoric. Let's face it straight out of another time. He said this on twitter quote the suburban housewife will be voting for me. They want safety and are thrilled that I ended the long running program where low income housing would invade their neighborhood biden reinstall it in a bigger form with misspelled cory booker in charge. And he's still pushing hard for the reopening of schools and businesses, and for athletes to get back into competition talks about college football every day now today, the White, house issued yet another set of guidelines for in person classroom instruction the emphasis primarily on hygiene social distancing advice we've already heard and today it is briefing. Trump was again confident about sending kids right back into the classroom. Appear to face the lowest risk of all. Ninety nine point nine nine five percent of all fatalities are adults think of that ninety nine, point nine, five. That is extremely close to one hundred percent. Of all. Fatalities are. Adults each of the last five years. The flu resulted in more deaths of those other eighteen. We believe many school districts can now reopen safely. You've got to open up we got open up our schools and open up our businesses. We should look into that fatality rate here with our leadoff discussion on a Wednesday. Night Philip Rucker Pulitzer Prize winning White House Bureau chief for the. Washington Post and Co author along with his very stable colleague Carol leg of the bestselling book a very stable genius. Shannon Petty Piece Veteran Journalists Senior? White. House. Reporter for Russell NBC News Digital and Dr More Tuesda actor clinical professor at. Arizona's University College of Medicine in Phoenix I'll get it out. He also has expertise in how racial inequality in our society and income inequality affect longevity jetty at long last good evening, and welcome to all of you Shannon Year there on the beat and we can't be. Is it as obvious to you that the president seems to be casting about for a way to go after? This new woman on the ticket of that the whole world had time to prepare for Well people inside the trump campaign. Certainly New Harris was a possible candidate. They had a lot of pre-prepared material videos ready to put out on her but what they didn't have was a really cohesive message instead they had really a bipolar message between she is too tough on crime and. was locking up inmates inappropriately the prosecutor to us she's too soft on crime and wants to de-fund the police and will contribute to this. Narrative, they're painting of a crime and law and order being lost under a Democratic president. Along the lines of attack that the trump campaign has been really not against her are these sane exact ones they have used against every Democrat for well over a year, and that is trying to tie whoever the Democratic rival is to the far left wing of the Party and essentially scare independent voters into thinking that they will lose their healthcare. LOSE THEIR CARS lose their safety EPA Democrats in the White House, and that strategy could potentially be effective if someone from. The far left wing of the party was on the ticket. But instead, you have a brock Obama's vice president and a career prosecutor and senator on the ticket who they simultaneously want to paint as part of this establishment. Washington regime. So it's real whiplash messaging. They have failed to really land on a message that can tap into Biden's poll numbers in at least as of now, they don't appear to have a real cohesive one at that is doing any damage to Harris. And indeed, Phil Rucker Biden and Harris come right out at the president for his calamitous response to the pandemic and two of viewer in a way he played into that with his daily briefing, which always seems to be a briefing on a pandemic unlike the one we're living. becks right Brian. This is, of course, a president who's been prone. To magical thinking throughout this pandemic and in fact, has promoted a magical jurors but he He consumes data that's different than than the facts that we all see. We see case it's going to we see deaths going up, we see the US lagging behind So many other countries around the world and to hear trump tell the story You know he thinks the response here has been great. In fact, he calls it his story and wonderful that he should be getting plotted for that and. That's not what the science shows. That's not what the data show and that's certainly not what candidates Biden and Harris were arguing today on the campaign trail where they really laid out the case against trump and Harrison particular used skill as a prosecutor to make a very sharp and coach prosecution the president than I assume we're gonNA hear amplify all of next week during the Democratic National Convention. Hey Dr your reaction to hearing the president say that schools should be open because they should open in September and in releasing the list of guidelines. Today mask-wearing was number seven out of eight. Yeah at the very least what come out anti ask I guess but encouraging masks different from requiring them. We know how effective masks are a and we know that if you just tell people that as a guideline, they'll often not follow We've seen this and the different states in our country where people have guidelines versus requirements versus do what you want, and clearly it's not a coincidence which states have the highest case the Kobe to send kids back to school I think in some places. Okay. But we actually have some pretty. Good metrics for when it's OK and clearly we've seen the failures of some states including Georgia I'm controlling this and so for him to say listen everybody go back to school. When we clearly have control the pandemic is appalling an not to get too political but his last campaign message was to make America. Great. Again, most Americans just want to make America safe again. Shannon petty piece a true Cunanan on conspiracy believer won her primary in a very conservative Georgia district. Lot Of folks are saying she is headed for the House of Representatives. The president tweeted out this congratulations to future Republican Star. Marjorie Taylor Green on a big congressional primary win in Georgia against very tough and smart opponent. Marjorie is strong on everything and never gives up a real winner Shannon. This puts him at odds with some in his own party including some leaders on the Republican side on the hill. He's at odds on. So many things right now with people in his own party, particularly those on the hill like when it comes to trying to pass some sort of stimulus package. The. The president Obviously, you would like to see Republicans take back the House that's probably not going to happen despite. It's You know the this candidate wins in Georgia. The Senate is now at risk. and. There is this yeah. Balancing Act right now between everyone on the hill about how close to align themselves with the president that no one seems to really figure themselves out at. So yes coming out openly endorsing. A Cuban on conspiracy theory supporter I mean the president has himself a tweeted shoot on the conspiracy theories of so exact completely out of line but certainly one more divide between him and almost all its own party in the Senate. And at your own risk, we urge our viewers who have never gotten Q. on thing to look up exactly what it is they believe in. Hey fill our friends over at the recount have noticed a certain sameness to the president's corona virus briefings will play this as put together by them discuss on the other side. The United. States is now conducted more than Suzy. Are than any of. The DNA Neil America's largest accurate population one point five million residents homes about five times, five times. The European countries are on track to rapidly one, hundred, million assume student they've. Group, we've delivered over one thousand, eight, hundred rapid point of care testing devices. Away. So fell he comes out every day and reads the first part of the briefing takes a few questions and then leaves is it because of this kind of blizzard of by wrote facts in quotes that they have been rendered meaningless also in part because Americans? We are all living our reality in this pandemic. You Know Brian when the president resumed these corona requires briefings a few weeks ago it began. To be fairly disciplined for him in in reading bet script and a script that's prepared every day. By his advisors in the White, house, they want him to get those statistics out there to try to spin to try to frame the virus that somehow under the president's control in a situation in the United States improving even though the reality that so many Americans are living is not consistent with what the president has been saying. Nonetheless he reads that script and. Kudos to the guys at the recount for shelling gusted. It is literally the same script. Every day at least pieces of it, and then he takes a few questions. What we see from him is what we saw throughout the spring, which was the angry sparring with reporters that briefings that would stretch for an hour or two hours long that. Crazy suggestions like injecting bleach or household disinfectant entity your body to cure the corona virus, which the good doctor on the panel with tell us it's not actually a curative virus. But the president's been trying to be a little bit more disciplined in these briefings in s because it's advisors of told him, he needs to do this. He needs to read the script in order to improve his poll numbers he. You know at Americans disapprove of his handling of the coronavirus according to virtually every public poll that we see, and so these briefings are an effort to try to reverse that trend and by reading that script prepared for him his advisers think he might be able to to gain some ground. Indeed Dr the President keeps talking about your state. He has decided you now have a stellar record on this virus that you've turned it around and suppressed it what is the reality on the ground what lessons have you learned and as one of them the lesson that mitigation works works even better before people die. Yet that's exactly right. That's one of the things that people are forgetting. If it didn't come without a cost I, feel death curve while the cases were going down the death curves are going up, which is obviously concerning an adult why he wants to laud our state so much There are states that actually did a good job with this. You could praise them but I guess they belong to the other side of the aisle. Keep in mind even though case dot going down and they are and even though fields nicer than that are all admitted doesn't feel as bad if you look at the per capita per child capita basis of cases that were getting for Kobe in pediatric covid Arizona's number one in the country. So again, if you look per capita four children, Arizona has the most. and this is before school has even started in person. My Wife said teacher multiple. Friends of Hers Teachers. They're all concerned about it and with good reason. So you can praise Arizona, all you want this job isn't done. There's a long way to go and I'm actually concerned could potentially get worse based on what we're seeing other states that have let schools open. My advice. If you WANNA feel better about the situation in Arizona, listen to one of these briefings because to listen to the briefings. Everything is just fine. There are thanks to our big three tonight to Phil Rucker to Shannon Petty Peace, and most especially deductor Morteza actor out in Arizona. Thank you all very much and coming up. Democrats. Wonder is this the best they've got after hearing a less? Than robust case against Kamla Harris by the president and other Republicans, and later, maybe we're asking the wrong question about reopening schools and maybe the question is this do you want your kids bringing back home whatever's in their classroom? We'll talk to a doctor on the front lines of that fight where this hasn't disappeared either just yet the eleventh hour just getting underway on yet another consequential Wednesday night. Hi, I'm truck Rosenberg this season on my podcast the oath I spoke with ten remarkable public servants, men and women who sacrificed for the common good who do things that are hard like former National Security Council official. Fiona Hill. We can have a serious discussion about where we want the relationship with Russia to go, but we have to stop using Russia as possible. 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It is an artificial hierarchy that was used in this particular hierarchy this particular caste system in other castes systems there. Might. Be Religion that's used as a metric could be geography this us as a metric other forms of lineage. But in this case, it was race as the tool races the signal races the cue as to where you fit in the caste system that was created with the founding of the country. This week on wise is happening search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Trump is also the reason millions of Americans are now unemployed. He inherited the longest economic expansion in history. From Barack Obama and Joe Biden. And then like everything else he inherited. He ran straight into the ground. This is what happens when we elect a guy who just isn't up for the job. You've seen her on those live hearings in Congress. You know she's a former prosecutor that was a former prosecutor making the case against the sitting president for his part. The president today tried a couple of attacks. He said as you heard him say she left the race angry she left mad he said she was mean to Joe Biden and he said again today she doesn't like fracking or fossil fuels Fox news tonight went after her for being part of the swamp though she's a first term Senator and B. C. News reporting tonight, some Republicans are indeed worried about the mixed message in quote trump campaign advisors. And allies are expressing concern that the GOP's initial fumbling response to her selection signals. There is no clear strategy to define the historic pick in the weeks ahead well with us. Again, tonight are two people who were with me live on television when the selection was announced Claire mccaskill former Democratic senator from the state of Missouri and Eugene Robinson Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for the Washington Post. So senator you've had twenty four hours to take it in today additionally twenty four hours later we saw the rollout granted a muted affair in the middle of pandemic. What did you make seeing the ticket together and hearing them today? Well considering that they had a real issue that they didn't have live feedback from an audience. I was very worried that it was going to be sterile and that it was gonna be like fall flat I will tell you they both did a terrific job today I think laying out the case a why day would be a good team for America and a very strong case about the disasters that have become normal under donald trump. And I will tell you I am. The incompetency of the trump campaign that they can't figure out how to go after a Comma Harris they can't land a punch. I mean they just can't lay on to punch they are they go back and forth too far left? She's too far right. She hates cops she loves cops she is part of the far left. She is part of the establishment I mean they are really all over the map, and that just shows you that they do not have a good answer to the challenge that Kamla Harris Presents. With. Her addition to this ticket. On that exact point gene for those scoring at home and I get paid to do this yesterday gave us three nasties from the president. Today we got one angry and one. Sad. This is a challenge that they have thrown at Donald Trump and to clarice point this boxes him in at least rhetorically and at least a little bit. Right, he he hasn't figured this out yet and he may never figure it out I mean nasty to sort of his placeholder insult for strong winds. challenge and and so you know increase would probably call my good friend Clare Nasty. You know. Given the. Now today he went to angry. and. If anything I mean the one thing I do think we will we will probably see is a a sort of him trying to paint Kamala Harris as an angry black woman and so I think he's GonNa. Go Straight for the racism misogyny a combined, the daily double and. And that's the only play he has come up with so far. He doesn't have any any better attack on her and that doesn't seem to take him very far. So this this is really a portrait of disarray in terms of what the trump team messaging right now and the president just it's not even tweeting. It's tweet so far about her was was just anodyne. Said nothing. So he doesn't know what to set. Racism and Misogyny as the daily double is a quote that may live on after tonight. Hey, Claire the president made this prediction about a potential pants. Harris debate, we'll talk about on the other side. I think she's going to be a big failure and I think I look forward to the debate between her and Mike Pence because I think he'll do even better against her. than he did against Senator Kaine which was a total wipeout. So we'll see how it works. Clear I'm guessing your prediction would be at odds with that. It would be Now I want to be careful here because if we set expectations too high for Kamla, that's not fair for her but this is somebody who is knows how to make a point quickly and succinctly and powerfully. She's not just been an elected prosecutor Brian I wanNA point out that she was an assistant Da and when you were you start as an assistant prosecutor you get in the courtroom you learn how to think on your feet. You don't know what's GonNa come off that witness stand you don't know exactly how the evidence is GonNa come out. So you are prepared in ways that people who have not been in a court room really art and that's who this woman is and by the way he said she's mean sad angry all that stuff. You know this is a woman. If you think of her speech today, I think warmth I think of her smiling I, think of her authenticity just just oozing. Out of every pore in terms of how she explained her her childhood and her pass to the where she is today. And her affection for Joe Biden so I, think she'll be able to. With surgical precision, do some real damage to mike pence with a big smile on her face. Our guests are staying with us through this break. When we come back, we'll talk about this ticket. Is there any work they need to do to present a united front going forward as we go forward on this Wednesday night? We are back with our guests, Sir former senator, Claire mccaskill and Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post, an Eugene. This is for you nineteen, fifty one called again. In the form of trump's tweet this morning, the suburban housewife will be voting for me. They want safety and are thrilled that I ended the long running program where wait for it low income housing would invade their neighborhood biden wooden, reinstall it and bigger form with misspelled cory booker in charge and Eugene. The man on TV says, but wait there's more. Here's trump on the same topic in today's briefing. They're going GONNA in my opinion destroy suburbia thirty percent plus are minorities. Living in suburbia and when they go in and they want change zoning so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low income housing. you want something where people can aspire to be. They're not something where it gets hurt badly. So Eugene I duNNo. If you're aware apparently these non white minorities have been seeping into the suburbs to the tune of thirty percent of the population and it sounds like they're kind of the new caravan that could be arriving and marauding vehicles to take any toys your children leave out in the yard what is going on here? What is going on here is, as you said, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, one, call eighty this is he's imagining the the the white suburban. America. That he grew up with that, he grew up knowing that he grew up keeping. Families out of and his father's apartment buildings. And for which he got sued by the Justice. Department nineteen. seventy-three That's the world he's talking about and and he acknowledges but certainly doesn't internalize or understand that the suburbs have changed and that the people in America suburbs right now are not really that scared of cory booker the really not. And it's. But. As I said, racism is one of the things he's going to use. Let's just the the sort of clearest and and it's turning out perhaps clumsy us but but clear racist appeal that I think I've heard for many presidential candidates since George Wallace and you know but more than Richard Nixon and it is shocking but but this is donald trump. This is what he's going with and and he'll continue to drive that wedge By driving that Wedge, I think he isolates is smaller on diminishing base away from the mainstream of America mainstream today's America. And Clare that's the question is the math there even in his wildest dreams. As a matter of demographics in a country where the American suburbs as Jean said, look a lot like America. And you can smell the fear in his tweets. At this point he's in big trouble in the suburbs with women. Now, ironically he thinks that the suburbs are full of women like June cleaver and they are not. There are a lot of women in the suburbs that are working in both in and outside the hall right now they're doing double duty they're carrying for parents they're teaching their children. They are most of them working. so He's thinking that he's going to somehow get women back by making them scared to death that people of color are going to move into their neighborhoods. They is not gonNa work that is not going to bring suburban women along especially when he does it with the back of his hand like he did. So he's in trouble with suburban women, and by the way Kamla Harris is GonNa be. Terrific. To all, our viewers. Welcome to twenty twenty our thanks to our guest tonight Claire Casco. Eugene. Robinson. Appreciated coming up for us back to school already and emotional time for parents. It's an intensely personal decision without politics complicating the picture further, we get an update from Middle America when we come back. I have a feeling that will November fourth somebody's going on out schools are open. The country's open everything's Open I really believe a lot of it's done for political reasons. The president continues to seem to believe it's about him. It is about politics that is keeping schools from reopening in. It's certainly couldn't be safety concerns about a virus in the middle of pandemic. Meanwhile, it was just days after this photo appeared on social media showing Georgia students crowded together in a hallway. The school was closed down and in another Georgia School district nearby nearly twelve hundred students and teachers are presently quarantining after dozens of positive tests. And from the American Academy of Pediatrics as study that dispels the notion that kids don't get sick or spread this disease nearly one hundred thousand children tested positive in the last two weeks of July alone it's also fair to point out here that the president's youngest son Barron trump is not returning to his in person classes at his school back with us. Tonight is Dr Steven Sample. He's an Er doctor, Memorial Hospital and Healthcare Center out in Jasper Indiana and Dr? We note you're still having a lot of confirmed cases. What is the situation where you are? Even Brian situations about the same here except for one development is we open schools today in the city? So. We had thousands of kids heading back to school today. So we're a couple of weeks from seeing where this is going to play our positivity rate remains about steady where about eighteen percent positive tests. So we're still flying blind here in our county. Not Knowing where this viruses. Because we get to be invited into people's homes like yours over time I've seen a couple of family members come and go in the background and made golden retriever. That is a way of saying I. Believe you are a parent and I believe you have had to make this intensely personal decision decision yourself. I have my youngest daughter Riley is nineteen and she will be starting her sophomore year at Indiana University just a couple weeks. She's supposed to leave on Friday after after night. We thought long and hard about it. And we decided to go ahead and send her I've prepped her for the fact that she may not be there long but she's going to go. And what's her mind? This is supposed to be. Nerve wracking time. Yes but also. A time of great expectations this is supposed to be the terrific time in someone's life. Absolutely she's completely bummed out you know. She's in a sorority moving into the sorority house this year. She's following my steps right now down the pre med track and she has found out in the last week that Oliver classes save one are going to be online. So her sorority life is GonNa be severely limited certainly, no big gatherings football season in the big ten just got cancelled, which is a big deal not so much in Indiana where a basketball state but but it's just GonNa look a lot different I feel really bad for him. It's tough. It seems small in the scheme of things is a big deal to that. Of It's very much a big deal. We'll be thinking of her and Lord knows the world needs good talented young doctors of on the doctor front the president has welcomed in this new. part-time Fox contributor. Scott Atlas meantime the members of the actual Corona Virus Task Force the public health experts might as well be in the witness protection program. We haven't heard from them. We certainly haven't seen them standing behind a White House podium. So what's a doctor like you? What's a year in a public health role in your community? What are you supposed to do? Right, so we've kind of been left on our own. Certainly, we have our State Department of Health, that gives briefings follow, and really the doctors have bonded underground were online. We're in facebook groups were on twitter, and we are putting our heads together nationwide figuring this out on our own we're looking at the science. Where ignoring the science and the junk that's coming out on facebook, and we're continuing to try to put forward the best information we came to our communities. That meets varying levels of success. Honestly. Again, as we keep saying to our viewers, this is where we are in the year twenty twenty. Thank you again for having us in Dr Steven sample joining us from Indiana. Tonight coming up for US Russia's already offering a vaccine Putin says his daughters already had it. Other countries will probably soon follow that doesn't mean people will get the vaccine. We'll take a good hard look at that story when we come right back. Hi Everyone. It's joy. Reid. I'm so excited to tell you about my new MSNBC, the readout every weeknight I'm talking with the biggest news makers about the most pressing issues of our time like Joe Biden, the words of president matter and so as president united. States. The first thing I'm GONNA do stand up and talk sense be honest with the American people level with them Atlanta Mayor Keisha Land's bottom. We need as many voices as we can have as possible. Sounding the alarm encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions and to follow the science and the data. Senator Comma Harris. We. Send folks into war wearing camouflage. So what is going on here when you said camouflage uniformed officers into a city and many more, you can listen to the readout as a podcast by searching for the readout that's R. E. I D. O. UT one word wherever you're listening right now and subscribing for free. Thanks for listening. So we reported on this yesterday Russia says, it's the first nation to approve a corona virus vaccine, but the experimental vaccine has not completed. Late stage trials designed to test its safety and effectiveness things like that. Tony says, he has serious doubts that Russia's version is safe or effective yet once a vaccine is completely tested, there will still be skepticism here and overseas NBC News Correspondent Carl Asthma has our report. It's the shot. The world is waiting for researchers racing to develop AAC RONA virus vaccine in record time doing it months would often takes more than a decade. Nearly, two hundred vaccines are currently in development worldwide including two high profile trials right here in the UK and as we get encouraging news on their progress health officials are starting to worry about the next challenge how people to actually take a vaccine in fact, many in the US already feeling uneasy when Americans were asked if they would get a vaccine just over half said no or unsure and growing skepticism in several European countries nearly a third of respondents saying they might refuse. Professor Heidi Larson of the Vaccine Confidence Project in London says, a lot of that unease comes from the speed of development. I would say the most common anxiety is all. The rhetoric and hype around speed warp speed fast get there. Quickly the first sentiment is and we've seen it with a lot too fast can't be safe. That reluctance could hurt the global effort to safely reopen and get the virus under control the increase. In case Dr Anthony found she says to do that at least seventy, five percent of the US will lead to be vaccinated standing in the way, a growing community of Anti Vaccine Activists, and digital pandemic of misinformation about vaccines are supposed dangers. But doubts surrounding this vaccine go beyond the so called Anti Vaccine Community, and now include people who've had no issues taking vaccines in the past. I'm supportive of vaccines for certain. Always had my explanations up-to-date. However, I'm skeptical about canceled testing. Protocols and maybe they're shorter than a traditional axiom we've gone through. So much on the line vaccines are becoming political, but the message from the president's isn't always clear before taking office Donald Trump, spreading misinformation on the campaign. Just, the other day two years old two and a half years old a child a beautiful child went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a tremendously. Got Very. Very sick. Now, he's autistic. Cove nineteen continues its US surge president trump promoting a vaccine even suggesting one could be available by election. Day. On this week, it's A vaccine. Sooner than the end of the year could be much sooner these November. Oh I think I think in some cases? Yes possible before but right around that time with the administration, still struggling to control the outbreak professor Larson believes plans for a vaccine rollout need to involve more than just government need schools and educational institutions. Businesses transportation sectors. All of them have a vested interest in people taking vaccines, and without this whole of society approach, it's not gonNa work because the trust in government is is really waddling with several vaccine candidates. Now, answering their final phase of testing including one Oxford University here in England, any sort of plan will likely need to be ready in a matter of months, right? Carl National Thank you for that report from London coming up what we are just now learning about what hit the mid West. This past Monday. Last thing. Before we go tonight, we have to satellite photos of Iowa one taken before Monday of this week and the other after Monday will look at the combination again here's Iowa before and then after what happened on Monday and we have highlighted for you the areas that have turned a different color green those are crops that have been blown down to the ground miles and miles of them in the catastrophic wind event. That hit on Monday that is called a d'auray show it moved across the midwest at highway speeds with winds up to and over one hundred miles an hour at times straight line winds at hurricane and Tornado force. They scarred the earth indeed visible from space and left behind a ton of damage. We are just now learning and tallying up the loss to American farming and Dave. Malkov the weather channel made his way to. Corn Farm. Crop after crop, it's all been to coin a phrase twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty is. Going to be like a four letter word I'm afraid Air Lance Lillibridge is with the Iowa Corn Association early estimates put this loss at around ten million acres that is well over a billion bushels of corn. So if a corn farmer can sell Bush, show for about three dollars and forty cents easy math a billion times three point four, three, point four, billion dollars three, point four. Of the America lost in one fourteen hour event. Yeah, yeah twenty minutes for us but yeah, fourteen hours isn't made its way across you. But even before the pandemic mid West farmers were already struggling as the trade war with China took away a major market for their produce although we hit Kovin so you lost the Chinese market. Then you lost the restaurants right then you lost the meat packing plants and then we lost ethanol market when the largest ethanol plants in that nation shutdown spring. So I just think of generational farmers, people whose grandfathers and great grandfathers farm the same land. And that'll ends today for some. Yeah? That's definitely a potential that is going to end today for because of the precursors of this event. It's very possible that there's going to be a lot of them that are just going to be done. They're not going to be able to do it again this is a huge crop laying flat on a gallon worth absolutely nothing cornfields that just last week were well on their way to being worth billions will rot right here. After a storm they came and went in twenty minutes. As. Whatever this is in twenty twenty continues to unfold. Please spare a thought our midwest farmers and it's our broadcast for this. Wednesday night with thanks for spending some time here with us on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks NBC. News. Night.

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"This message comes from on point sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified defied candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash n._p._r. Podcast from n._p._r. And w._v._u. Are boston. I'm david folkenflik and this is on point. Hurricane doreen is now bearing down on the carolinas but before it reached the mainland u._s. Destroyed loyd parts of the bahamas and left at least thirty dead. Here's andrew evans an evacuee from ayako. We just run from hark and we have serious harkin avocado one of the worst to have hit the bahamas. Everything is totally destroyed. Look like we were bombed. A shooter in odessa midland texas killed seven people and wounded a couple dozen more barry arco's husband rudy was among those killed she told c._n._n. She wants to see action is unfair the congress somebody need to do something fast before another victim on all all their family and other kids you know a dad does call for police do something and the democratic candidates for twenty twenty participated in the c._n._n. Climate crisis townhall wednesday which lasted for seven hours. Here's democratic senator kamala harris. I strongly believe this is a fight against the powerful interests and leaders need to leave so lead follow or get out the way and get out the way starting with donald trump join us. We'll be talking about those stories as well as military dollars going going to board walls and boris bungling brexit over in the u._k. Can join us anytime at on point radio dot org or on twitter and facebook on point radio with us from n._p._r. West in culver city california sima mehta. She's political writer for the los angeles times and she's covering the twenty twenty twenty presidential campaign sima great to have with us. Thank you for having and joining us from washington d._c. Shannon pepys she's senior white house reporter for n._b._c. news digital digital shannon welcome to you thank you hello also let me say sitting with me in studio today and what an honor it is our own news analyst here at on point jack beatty jack welcome awesome. Thank you david hello to sima and shannon so let's just take a moment to acknowledge a dorian. It obviously has hit hard <hes> earlier this week. <hes> c._n._n.'s anderson cooper spoke to sharon role. She's a bahamas resident <hes> and she told anderson cooper about the destruction in her her neighborhood that iran does it's a lot of chaos struck. <unk> literally snow the death in the air as this is up and the sun comes out picks. It's stolen meal. Tampa stated goal is to molest. It's since yesterday. At least twenty tornadoes have been reported twenty in both north and south carolina. More than two hundred thousand people are without power our here's carol hodge in emerald isle north carolina. She told the washington post that she first discovered her house was destroyed after seeing a video of her couch among debris on local news what i can personally do it from the standpoint right now so pick up a few mementos and get bill gas can for the generator at home and it'll probably be later tonight when i have a chance to sit and think about everything shannon petty hetty piece <hes> briefly <hes> you know president trump. The administration was criticized for how it handled things in puerto rico <hes> what's the administration's response to dorien well. I think we're still we're about to see in the next coming days. <hes> with the impact that the storms had really only recently north carolina <hes> so we'll have to see how they quickly. They're able to respond quickly. They're able to get aid funding to people in these states. I mean this recovery is a long haul and a lot of times we we just focus on the initial aftermath the first two days the following week and then everyone moves on but <hes> for those affected by nine forgetting the name of the hurricane but the one that hit the panhandle handle <hes> it took months and months to get funding and it was delayed because the president and democrats fighting over money for <hes> the for aid for puerto rico oh that was supposed to be wrapped in so it's a long process and i mean time will really tell them these places for a lotta these people shouldn't you just wrote a piece about the president and dorian and about the the state of alabama. I don't want to spend a ton of time on that today and yet you know i i have in my hand a thick of five point. I should say sharpie pen. I love apparently the president does to tell us a little bit about weather maps in sharpies. Yes sales of sharpies might go through the roof this week. If sharpie was a public company oh you should have bought stock on monday. <hes> the president on sunday put out a tweet saying that alabama was one of the states that could be hit by the storm. <hes> whether authorities quickly corrected him <hes> say no alabama wasn't in the line of danger and <hes> it was pointed out by critics as something that appeared to be a gaffe <hes> the president wasn't willing to accept that this was a gaffe then continued to double down so president trump was doubling down on false claims that hurricane dorian was headed for for alabama here he was at a press conference wednesday and you'll hear a reporter asked the president to explain a map he was brandishing with projection added in sharpie pen. Dan the original path that most people thought it was going to be taken as you know right through florida where on the right would have been georgia alabama and cetera yeah i don't i don't know how bizarre is all this so the map since we're on radio and people canc- sort of looks like when you dr your report card to turn a d into a b or something it's literally a black line. That's drawn to extend the cone of certainty which goes up through central florida but not to alabama so the president <hes> or one of his staffers we still haven't gotten to at the very bottom of sharpy gate <hes> drew a line extending the hurricanes cone of uncertainty to include just a little tiny bit of alabama to sort the as if that would have backed up the president's claim and then sense on the president's repeatedly tweeted about a different maps and different projections that show alabama <hes> at one point the potential to be hit or have tropical storm force winds <hes> but still the problem is that all of those projections were before sunday when he made the comment about alabama that many people. I think we're ready to let go and move on because there is a hurricane here but the president continued for five days to try. Dan convince everyone that alabama was in the storm's path tweeting repeatedly about it yesterday which is in some ways the obsession being the most interesting part of it. <hes> you know it's after turn briefly to the sharp element of it. I will say as you say. We don't know precisely and yet you know graydon carter. The former editor of vanity fair did once memorably told me in an interview about how trump used to send him these written critiques of his <hes> of his mocking of trump and they were always written in sharpie form nonetheless sema. That's not the only reason ed the president came into criticism this week. The vice president pence going to travel out of the british isles this week and it emerged that the the president himself <hes> according to the to the vice president's spokesman had encouraged the vice president to stay not near where he was going to meet the prime minister of ireland sima. Tell me what played out. Why does it matter that that the vice president would stay at a trump resort <hes> in the country arlen during his visit there well. It was sort of an interesting developing story where it i <hes> advisors to the vice. President said that you know the president recommended hey why don't you stay at my place and <hes> and they decide to take him up on it but then once that became news and caused awesome controversy because arguably the president sort of directing money taxpayer money to be spent at a hotel that his family owns <hes> then it then he put they put out a new statement that that said oh no you know we just decide to say there because it was near the ancestral home of the vice president at a and it was sort of large enough to you know to have enough rooms for the vice president's despite despite a advisors it's the security staff <hes> and you know so that it was it was then billed as sort of a matter of convenience but it was quite far from dublin and quite far from where the vice president we doing his business so it really raised a lot of resin goes to this sort of ongoing trend about you know questions being raised about you know the president the vice president the administration <hes> you know making making decisions to stay at places that you know the president owns or his family owns <hes> you know whether it's mar-a-lago going down there with you know large numbers of people frequently or suggesting that g seven beheld it on durell in the question of you know how this personally financially benefits the president i mean you know the the political scientist brendan niane a. and always points out in moments like these always points out moments like these you know. Jimmy carter put his peanut farm in a blind trust right. Here's the president on the word of the vice president's spokesman saying you should stay there turns out sweatless like an hour and a half or more to get to and from the meetings with the prime minister <hes> and that this was not a uniform uniquely wonderfully equipped place for all the secret service all the security guys to be there. Why isn't this essentially. I hate to say this but a form of corruption play out in front of our very eyes sima. I think critics would argue that it is <hes> i think in the last hour you had i'm david byrne hold from the washington post discussing this and this is part of a trend but this is also <hes> you there's been sort of this honor code as he put it you know in terms of what you do and what you don't do as president and this administration has sort of up ended all norms and in so many ways <hes> but critics certainly argue that you know that this is very questionable to have the american government or american taxpayers in spending their dollars being spent in a way that directly benefits the president check beatty talk talk to me a little bit about this. It feels like episodes like this. They pop up you know if you had pins on a map the they would have this incredible cluster things. What are we to draw from these things a nice elation and taken together well. I think that historians will look back on this administration and and see it's initiatives tax cuts <hes> tax on on immigrants moments of racial demagoguery <hes> perhaps the foreign policy achievement or two that remains to be seen what they will not put in is the bizarre day to day texture you mentioned alabama you mentioned the the the irish <hes> you know <hes> <hes> subdivision of trump inc <hes> in addition this week the president reacting to the massacre in odessa among other. Things said that it could have been worse leave out the issue with presidential leadership just at the human level saying something like that it could it. It is a <hes>. It's not it. Let's put it this way. As someone said it's astonishing not surprising coming from the president <hes> and then also look at history this week brought the eightieth anniversary of the beginning of world war two the nazi invasion of poland which cost a fifth of the polish population kill three million more jews among them and what was what does the president do. He said i congratulate the poll. I congratulate poland. It was a moment to talk about. Its collective security. The dangers of appeasement hatred antisemitism and he says i congratulate the polish and that even as we're broadcasting day c._b._s. News is reporting the two house committees have launched launched investigations into whether president trump has improperly used the office of the presidency to enrich himself by having administration foreign officials. Stay at trump owned properties. The house of course led did these days <hes> by the democrats <hes>. It's a it's a moment to be sure you and i were talking a little bit about the president you know no jake tapper reporting that he hauled in fox news is john roberts <hes> to castigate roberts for his colleagues shep smith and others trying to point out the president erred when it came to talking about alabama in a sense trying to not only force fox more in line with party <hes> word but also subvert its line into a different form of reality. We're talking about the week's biggest stories from hurricane doria into funds for the border wall join. Our conversation will be right back. I'm david folkenflik in this is on point it. I'm david folkenflik licken. This is on point. We're talking about the shooting in texas that left seven dead and whether congress will take up gun control legislation when it returns next week as ever a crackerjack jack panel of guests. This hour seem is political reporter for the los angeles times. She's covering the twenty two thousand presidential campaign. We also have shannon petty piece. She's senior white house reporter for n._b._c. News digital will and our own on point news analyst jack beatty sitting across from me here in studios in boston. <hes> let's start a little bit. I think <hes> <hes> with these. He's terrible shootings on sunday. A president trump addressed the shooting in texas where seven people were killed and more than twenty were injured. He said the incident hasn't changed much in the way of if he thinks about gun control legislation. This really hasn't changed anything. We're doing a package and we'll see what all how it comes about. It's coming up right now. A lot of people are talking about it and that's irrespective of what happened yesterday. Texas shannon the president often often does a little bit of a dozy doe when it comes to gun control policy after shootings like this where does the president currently stand what he's willing to entertain when it comes to addressing a gun violence particularly masculine violence so for about the past month <hes> white house officials in hill staffers have been in a series of back back and forth trying to figure out a either new piece of legislation package of legislation <hes> a certain specific bill. That's already introduced that they could get get a bipartisan group together on actually get passed in the senate. <hes> it's been about a month. They still have no agreement on substance or process <hes> but they do have a narrowed menu. I guess of items that are on and off the table and that's pretty much stayed consistent. <hes> over the period of this talks on background background checks this you know they are still looking at <hes> a failed background check bill from two thousand thirteen that does not go as far as democrats want but would <hes> include background background checks for sales of guns at gun shows and on the internet <hes> they're still looking at <hes> some serve death penalty statute change that would expedite the <hes> the execution of people involved in a mass shooting that is something that's a sticking point with democrats but it is a big priority for the white house particularly particularly the vice president and they're looking at things like red flag laws what they could do to <hes> help possibly states implement red flag laws where the police can come and take take your guns if you've been designated threat or pieces of legislation on things <hes> if you're like you know trying to buy a gun for someone who can't pass a background check and then of course. There's this mental health piece that the president keeps talking about <hes>. They're still no specifics on what exactly congress could do to address whatever the mental health issue. They i believe is <hes> so that remains out there. <hes> i mean as of early this week and i think in later into this week the talks were continuing. <hes> senator joe manchin was in the white house yesterday having meetings and i think they're only going to pick up as congress gets back. The white house does genuinely want to do something on gun. Control is what i'm told but the question in is what can they do and get behind would actually pass the house and the senate and that's what they're trying to figure out you know. There's a piece of that. I want briefly drill done on a shannon democrats. It's activists obviously pressuring senate majority leader and that's the republican senator mitch mcconnell of kentucky to bring gun safety measures to the floor of the senate for a vote mcconnell appeared it on hugh hewitt's radio show tuesday. He said incense. It's really up to president trump well. We're we're in a discussion about what <hes> to to do. On the gun issue shoe in the wake of these horrendous <hes> shootings i said several weeks ago <hes> if the president took a position on <hes> <hes> a bill that so that we knew we would actually be making a law and not just having a serial votes. I'd be happy to put it on on the floor and the administration is in the process of studying what they're prepared to support if anything and expect to get an answer that next week jack beatty that seems like a fairly deferential approach by senate leader known for protecting the senate's prerogatives what does it say to you about <hes> <hes> mcconnell's eagerness or willingness to entertain gun legislation it. It sounds like he's passing the buck. Let the president take the heat from the n._r._a. Which of course is a big supporter of both both men and mcconnell up for reelection does not want a alienate that support and then just in terms of the experience he's he's had i forget but the issues but there have been issues with the senate has come forward but ready to act in the president has undercut them again and again and so <hes> what's the point <hes> he so mercurial <hes> they could come forward with the position he could change and then they'd be left having taken controversial reversal positions especially with the n._r._a. Looming out there <hes> and and taking the controversial position but getting no benefit on the other side by <music> getting getting the president to sign a bill seaman made. I've been reading polls a lot this year. <hes> preparing for these weekly shows sadly preparing for a lot of these weekly shows does with fresh reports of mass shootings right mass killings <hes> by gun <hes> an american public actually seems to support by pretty significant majority certain kinds of gun control. Ah additional gun control gun checks a other regulations. Even <hes> i believe republicans even evangelical christians tend to be among the most conservative republicans. What are you hearing from democrats on the trail. And what are you hearing. Voters and voters are clearly animated by this you hear at every town hall especially young people you know democrats are obviously counting on young people to turn <music> out and you really hear young people really bringing this up on the trail really pressing pressing candidates about what they will do. You know to stop these shootings that are having constantly you hear it from others also talking the mother children you know having to do drills about you know shooter coming into their elementary school. I'm so i feel like we're hearing it more this cycle than we haven't pascal's. We've certainly been hearing it for quite some time unfortunately because because there have been so many shootings particularly since newtown and particularly since parkland but this cycle it really feels like it's like a top line issue and the top line concern for voters want want to turn now to the question of <hes> national security the president defends his administration's move to shift three point six billion dollars in funds away from the defense department department under the new defense secretary mark asper and he's doing that to help pay for construction of a partial wall at the u._s. Mexico border here's what the president had to say. Secretary metairie of defense spoke with members of congress and explain it to him and i think he felt very good about it. He feels it's a national security already problem i do too it is when you have thousands of people trying to russia country. I think that's national security when you have drugs pouring into our country i view data's national security seem amid a two questions for you. I guess first off do voters see this national security and secondly. How are they responding to this. I mean i think we should look at this in the context of the campaign because i don't see how you can talk about it. In any other context promises supporters he promised his base that he would get the small built <hes> and this is clear lillian effort to do that however the other part of that promises that he would make mexico pay for it and he has not making mexico pay for it. <hes> do believe that you know let's looking at the timing it just it just seems like part of the campaign <hes> but i do think <hes> you know it'll be interesting the projects that are being taken away for a project directly affect the military directly affect military families. I'm i'm sorry i think it'll be interesting to see the voices that come out on that side. You know to argue into to raise concerns about how this is going to impact <unk> check beady. If this wall all were being constructed under an obama administration with somewhat different <hes> positions pout <hes> handling asylum requests in handling families that the border or or some indifferences about the notion of departments would this be as much of a flash point for <hes> partisan voters on both sides as we think ahead to the presidential race. You're positing thing is a serious border. Security measure from the obama administration <hes> coupled with a more humane asylum policy something like that sure <hes> <hes> well in effect. That's what <hes> the compromise. <hes> immigration reform bill passed the which passed the the senate by eight votes to spare <hes> what two years ago or two thousand thirteen wasn't whatever that was in the obama armor administration. That's what i call for because it called for a thirty billion dollar spending on border security that would have been in effect a twenty-first-century walls. I remember we heard about drones. We heard about those sensors where you heard about infrared this and something else that and in effect that's what obama would have been been doing. That's what we would have been doing. These last five odd years building a very secure border as part of a broad immigration reform tom package that would also put the ten or so million <hes> persons who undocumented workers on the on the pass to citizenship. Where are you seeing this shannon petty piece on capitol hill. Is there any <hes> is there any appetite by democrats to hold the administration accountable for diverting federal funds. There's their concern over the kinds of projects that are having their money stripped away even though they were directed by federal allocation <hes> you know that that that might have had an effect or might have been going something i think i saw list that included a schools on air force bases and other kinds of facilities that would no longer have funding as a result of this will unusually taking away money from a congressional district to one of these projects was the red line that you did not cross. You did not take takeaway. Someone's fund senators funding in their state <hes> but i will say a democrats. Don't really have much power here. <hes> for republicans <hes> immigration was the number one issue for republican voters in two thousand eighteen. It was a major motivator in two thousand sixteen not just republicans but for those sort of <hes> the people who came out of the woodwork and maybe hadn't voted in twenty years and all of a sudden came out to vote for trump there is a very big population a in this country that feels very strongly about immigration and are concerned about it and they don't care who pays for the wall or how it's paid for or if mexico pays for the u._s. pays for it they want off the wall or the barrier or something because of the deep concerns they have about immigration <hes> so that's very real for republicans and and and their core constituency quincy of voter so that's why. I don't think you're gonna see necessarily. <hes> republicans rise up against us. Even if they're it means their military base is going to lose funding here you know they're different players as we think about political issues as we think about political players as we think about the question of of the border you talk about the wall <hes> <hes> excuse me about guns a few minutes ago if to return to guns for a moment you've seen in recent days <hes> statements from corporate leaders you've seen <hes> walgreens boots alliance which is the owner of walgreens <hes> basically in response to two deadly shootings one of them a mass shooting in the last couple of weeks saying we no longer want customers to openly carry firearms firearms in stores it is traumatic for our employees is traumatic for some of our clients and consumers. You've seen the drugstore chains <hes> chain c._v._s. health corps and the grocer wegmans basically saying the same thing. We don't want to do that anymore. <hes> and of course <hes> excuse me of course walmart itself was the one i meant to say was the one that had experienced the shootings but jack beatty. How important is it that corporations are weighing in here that they are sort of filling a bit of a vacuum and saying let's do something that's a bit more concrete than what we've been able to see from washington at some ways it reminds me of the the anti-cigarette movement that you you're a social pariah. You're not allowed to smoke oh can here. You're not allowed to carry your gun in here. It is a good example of private pressure but against what a sea of guns i mean there are more a gun that people <hes> and this week also brought. I thought the rather <hes> bold proposal from beto o'rourke who has <hes> <hes> someone from el paso knows intimately <hes> the horror of of mass gun violence he proposed a buyback doc program for the cy. I think six or whatever it is million assault weapons that are still out there and a ban on them and a buyback program and and which would have eventually kind of coercive aspect to it. I guess you know you sell it back to the government or the government begins to even take it. We're now on the slippery slope hope for the n._r._a. That is the slippery slope and i'm glad that better roic said that because in in point of fact we have to get those guns back <hes> they they can't just keep circulating even if you ban them they're still out there the ones but on the other hand the n._r._a. Now and trump certainly will be able to say the slippery slope. Nope they begin with the background checks they end with confiscation. I'm david folkenflik and this is on point. I want to now turn for elimination of international events to pittsburgh <hes> where <hes> brian moran became the first player in major league history to make his debut while facing his his brother on the mound according to a report from the associated press a he struck out his younger sibling colin in the marlins ten seven victory over the pittsburgh pirates on thursday night. Why does this matter imagine. The miran household thanksgiving's going to be a little tendentious but not more so than in britain where the johnson family on boxing day may have a very interesting <hes> interesting exchange where the younger brother of prime minister boris johnson <hes> resigned from parliament this week resigned as a minister in the cabinet of his older brother other boris and why was that the case it was over the path that boris johnson was leading the country on brexit was in the words of one <hes> bbc d._c. Journalists the only time he'd heard of were politician had resigned to spend less time with his family <hes>. I wanted to ask you shannon petty piece. What are we seeing play <music> out in britain right now with the conservative party of being led by brooks johnson <hes> but seemingly to being led from thin majority to a much more modest artist to a plurality in parliament. It's just this extended uncertainty about. What's going to happen to the u._k. Which i believe is the fifth largest is to konami in the world <hes> it has big implications <hes> in world markets global markets when you sort of look at the totality of the sort of uncertainties. He's out there the trade war what's going to happen to the u._k. With brexit <hes> trump trump's tariff some not mentioned other big macro factors happening out there and and you know of course as we look at things back in the u._s. <hes> so many people felt brexit was the canary in the coal mine or the the first sign of this shifting fifteen wave of of nationalism going on a you know across the world and now is the question of is are we now seeing the very early <hes> ramifications of that in this sort of <hes> chaotic disorderly une unified <hes> situation that comes from that and so what that will mean <hes> for the u._s. and certainly from my perspective given the white house someone was explaining to me that <hes> it has implications for u._s. Trade because this will strengthen the dollar which will make us exports more expensive so it's hurting trump's economy as much as trump is a fan of boris johnson and brexit. He made inadvertently see u._s. Companies and businesses and trade hurt by an it'll drive at the trade deficit visit johnson's sometimes described as britain's answer to donald trump. He delivered a speech at a police training centre yesterday. After being tripoli defeated in the house of commons earlier this week he said he'd rather be dead in a ditch than request another delay to the <hes> brexit which he's set for a halloween. The end of october johnson then went on to say this brexit. Are they want to go on about this anymore and i don't. I don't want an election at all. I wanted election tool but frankly i cannot see any other way shannon just to be clear he now <hes> he's lost something like forty some members of his own party. He's drummed out <hes>. Is it clear he can hang onto the leadership of his own party. <hes> i don't know i think that's where sort of the chaos and the uncertainty is coming in <hes> it seemed like there for a moment when <hes> you know theresa may step down and boss jones at dover that there was going to be a path forward some path of something and now i think that's all in the air this week prime minister mister who declarative but a path that is not decisive. I'd like all of you folks to hold here with me on the show today and i'd like you are listening to hang on as well. We're discussing the week's top stories from the climate. Change town halls to the twenty twenty presidential race. We'd love for you to join our conversation. I'm david folkenflik and this is on point <music>. This is on point. I'm david folkenflik in other news this week. Robert mugabe zimbabwe's wiz ex-president died at the age of ninety five. He was an icon of independence for that country who turned into an autocrat and he's forced out under international pressure in two thousand seventeen eighteen. We're talking about the week's top headlines. You can join our conversation one eight hundred four two three eight two four two three talk. That's one eight hundred four two three eight. Two five five you can also follow us on twitter and facebook ad on point radio my guest this hour sima made up as political reporter for the los angeles times. She's covering the twenty twenty presidential campaign shannon shannon petty piece is senior white house reporter for n._b._c. news digital and of course with me here in studio today a treat on points on news analyst jack beatty <hes>. Let's turn now to something. That certainly occupied a lot of time on c._n._n. And you know i think really occupy us all as question <hes> c._n._n. Held old seven our town hall on climate change wednesday night <hes>. I'd like to play a clip i of democratic senator as well as presidential candidate elizabeth warren born of massachusetts. She was responding to a question on whether the government should have the power to ban certain types of consumer lightbulbs. This is exactly what the fossil fuel industry hopes swirl talking about. This is your problem. They wanna be able to stir up a lot of controversy percy around your light bulbs around your straws and around your cheeseburgers when seventy percent of the pollution of the carbon that we're throwing going into the air comes from three industries sima mehta elizabeth warren says the fossil fuel industry is is drinking all of our milkshakes <hes>. What did you see in this town hall from the democrats. What was the substance. What was the import of them addressing it. I mean i thought the town on hold remarkable. I can't remember seven hours being devoted to any one single issue in a prior campaign on spoke directly to the idea that the d._n._c. refused to have climate change just debate despite a lot of calls from it from both candidates and activists democratic voters <hes> so i think <hes> i mean it was nice to see the can. It's in a form where they weren't just delivering a one minute answering cancern thirty-second rebuttal. You're able to have some substantive discussion that said seven hours is a long time. I mean i covered this for a living and the idea of watching this makes me wanna call myself so it's i mean it's a challenging housing issue. I mean if you're a regular person. If you're working. You're raising your family. Seven hours is a huge commitment <hes> but i think it really raise. Some interesting points like the members of the audience had <hes> some really great questions. <hes> you know joe biden have to answer some uncomfortable questions about uh some of his fundraising hosts <hes> we saw with warren really pushing back at the fossil fuel industry we this is mary people talk about this sort of moral terms <hes> and i think it speaks to you know how this issue has really been at the forefront this election cycle particularly for this young komo lineal voters that we were talking about earlier a number of the twenty twenty democratic candidates have been wary of nuclear power or of talking about nuclear powers. They devise plans to combat that climate change. We spend an hour on this issue earlier this year talking about you know how you can achieve carbon neutrality without it whether you can do so. It's a robust debate debate. Taking place among experts here new jersey. Senator corey booker defended its use in in his <hes> talking on that c._n._n. Townhall on wednesday my plan says is that we need to be our zero carbon electr electricity by twenty thirty. That's that's ten years from the time that i will win. The presidency of the united states of america and right now nuclear is more than fifty percent of our non-carbon causing energy energy so people who think that we can get there without nuclear being part of the blend just aren't looking at the facts booker's climate plan would allocate <hes> twenty billion to developing next generation advanced nuclear energy sima. What other distinctions did you see among candidates substantively. You know if people were to you have an work. Were appreciative that you're still with us. <hes> both on a moral level and just to give us a bit of a report. Not all of us watch those seven hours right. So what would you come away substantively from realizing well. Here's here's points of distinctions between candidates on other issues may not be all that far apart. I mean i think the nuclear issue is probably number. One i mean they they largely agree. I mean they all agree that this is a huge crisis that needs to be dealt with and that the government needs to intervene <hes> but i think the the issue of nuclear is so interesting and he wasn't the only person brought up and kendra gang boarded up as well <hes> this is something something that you know for a long time even saying the word 'nuclear was like an adamant democratic politics and now that you have to people who are presidential candidates for that mean. They're not leading the field but but they are presidential candidates. You're openly discussing having nuclear power as an option i mean i think this is sort of a turning point but i think it's a very controversial position that will i mean i think it will you know cause a lot of controversy among a lot of democratic voters and andrew yang <hes> you know obviously a candidate who has openly talked about certain kinds of geo experimentation tation where you there are certain kinds of substances you could put out in the in the atmosphere that could deflect the sun's rays in certain ways. I mean just real you know. A force of experimentation in terms of thinking about policy spoke earlier this week with my colleague magnet tucker bardy on this jack beatty. What do you make of the phenomenon of the democrats addressing all all this well. I thought one of the big takeaways was several of the candidates. I think four maybe five <hes> came out for carbon pricing came out for a carbon tax. It's all economists agree. If you're serious about <hes> stopping <hes> climate change you this is where you've got to go because this changes incentives and and and essentially changes the way people behave what they buy he gives signals to industry and so on <hes> but it it's emblematic emblematic of the problem with this issue that the new york times story today buried somewhere in there the fact that i several of the candidates may a pete notably quickly said a carbon tax regrettable that is you pay more for your electricity. You pay more for your gasoline gasolene but mostly electricity and the government will rebate you that you it's like you know it's like a carbon dividend. I think there was a form of that in australia that they did down down there on this model on the alaska situation where they rebate people part of the oil wealth that flows out but the times buried the rebate part and that is the trouble <hes> we're going to hear about this carbon tax again and again and again and not about the carbon rebate <hes> <hes> <hes> and moreover there was another problem with the the i thought with with the with the you know marathon proceedings and that was there. It was a feeling that that of virtue signaling the democrats one after the other were saying. I'm gonna do everything about this but they we're speaking for half the country and the other half <hes> mayor pete put it well. He said you know we're like a two groups of doctors and there's a cancer patient. Group is saying what should we do about that patient radiation surgery. What should we do and the other group is saying. There is no cancer cancer doesn't exist. That's the republican position on climate change and until that changes the forty one senators who can stop action in the senate from rural places prices who represent one fifth of the country they can hold the whole climate agenda of a future democratic president hostage and until the democrats democrats have got to talk out of their <hes> you know virtue signalling to people who are out in the rural america who who feel threatened by for whom climate change has become part of the culture war. It's what liberals want is what those righteous people want and they're wagging. They're fingers at us. They want to take away our hamburgers. Even as we've seen in effect in rural areas agricultural areas than like <hes> <hes> shin petty piece <hes> just briefly putting on my media critics hat for the moment after all that is my other my other job. It struck me that this was an incredible devotion of resources by c._n._n. And time by c._n._n. But also a way of kind of sequestering westering <hes> this conversation rather than leasing it throughout coverage or saying you know we'll do a day a week or you know a couple of hours. <hes> you know every other day or something for a month or whatever in a way that would be more sustaining louis <hes> presenting attention to this issue when you do it this way does attention of voters get focused and and intensified or does it get <hes> brought up in just dissipate well. I mean the big criticism of these debates has been that people all are given sixty seconds to outline a very complex health care plan or climate change planet. He's really meaty. Topics are are trying into dissect what the candidates positions are in them and in sixty seconds and it's not coming off well so if you are a voter who really cares about this issue here you go. Maybe seema's not one of them because seven hours doesn't sound like her thing but if you're someone who really cares about this issue here's your moment here's your opportunity to really listen to the candidates dig into them and i so i think they are very helpful all for niche voters <hes> but i also think in it it helps with the democratic party's brand that you have this many candidates who all have a plan damn that they can talk about on climate change versus the trump administration that has has not they're not <hes> i mean the president tweeted out about this <music> c._n._n. Townhall saying here's eight things eight facts or something to that effect that you won't hear in this town hall meeting and it was essentially that <hes> the u._s. isn't the problem problem china's the problem <hes> he's for clean air and water and that he is not gonna do anything to address climate change if it costs it's the jobs of the fossil fuel industry regardless of yo set aside whether it would you know alternative energy creates jobs. He's not going to do anything that's going to hurt people in the fossil fuel industry tree <hes> so you have that as the republican brand and then you have the democrat having seven hours of discussions about climate change so and if you to the point of there's certain population of voters that doesn't want to hear about <hes> climate change that thinks this is as you were saying that attack on <hes> their lifestyle <hes> but if you are younger voters suburban women voters the voters that we keep hearing <hes> strategists talk about the republicans need to pullover then this was a moment where you have a really good contrast between who the republican party is who the democratic party is and you can choose which which side you wanna fall on a related thing. I think it's a very close to a closely related an assistant secretary at the department of interior who oversaw the bureau of land management left his job last week on wednesday joe bay lash announced his new position as senior vice president for external affairs with oil search search. That's a papua new guinea based company that first expanded in alaska in two thousand seventeen wants to do as i understand it <hes> more drilling in the arctic. He was an official who had pushed to expand the opportunities for drilling in the arctic very briefly shannon. Is this an example of revolving door. That's common in washington or is this a ah further evidence the trump administration more like an escher painting where everybody is sort of eternally going up up the stairs and down the stairs at the same time i mean i think that's always washington but <hes> for an administration that was drain the swamp drain the swamp <hes> when you look at the president's cabinet or you know many of the senior leaders in his administration at these various departments <hes> it's lobbyists. It's people who come from industry. <hes> it's people who will go into industry. It is washington <hes> the the whole draining the swamp <hes> idea and the baby you can say there was no way the president was going to do it anyway. Because how do you find someone to work at h._h._s. Who doesn't have background in the healthcare industry or aspirations to go work in the healthcare industry <hes> the former f._d._a. Commissioner is now on the board of pfizer. <hes> i know number of administration officials who've left and gone to work <hes> <hes> for the defense industry but i think that is just part of washington and i mean maybe someone could break down the numbers but i don't have the data to say. It's particularly better or worse under this administration. I'm david folkenflik in this is on point. I now want to turn back more. <hes> more focused way to the <hes> twenty twenty democratic race <hes> sima made it this is you know right down the heart of the plate for you. Let's talk a little bit about joe biden. He's received a lot of coverage lately <hes> on <hes> whether whether or not he's fully focused whether or not he's a fully. Let's be fair capable. <hes> in his mid seventies. Joe biden a man who represented <hes>. I started representing delaware in the u._s. Senate in early nineteen seventies <hes>. How are these questions that are being raised. How early are they being presented in reports and voters. He's on the trail. Do ask questions about you is is he too old. I mean that's told me we're not supposed to talk about but this does come up. This is a concern that voters have in their minds. That's the president's is in a seventy. S bernie sanders is in the seventies. Elizabeth warren is in her seventies so this is not unique to joe biden. Get it comes with him often because i think because he has a propensity for making gaffes <hes> in a way that perhaps sanders more than the president obviously he he's his own individual character that with joe biden i mean we saw this with the the story that he told in in new hampshire last week or two ago where he basic inflated three stories about honoring us into one is the washington post reported <hes> you know we've we've seen famous sort of over and over again <hes> and it's he's he's always been known for making gaffes and when he ran present two thousand eight that this issue came up side. I don't eighty eighty eight. This issue came up. Yes yeah doesn't have enough for decades <hes> so i mean i don't know that it's age related but now that he is in the seventies you hear voters asked this question and i think that you know i mean heap. Obviously he's still the front runner. He's you know he's got high name. I d his deport amongst certain pockets of voters <hes> bush voters affectionately because of its decades gates of service because of his time as vice president president obama <hes>. There's a lot of goodwill built in there <hes> but i think as the campaign moves forward as has we spend as voters start paying more attention if these gaps keep happening there is a question of you. Is that front runner status. How fragile is it jack beatty. All of this is true. I think it's all it's all valid <hes> t to look at the same time. You have a president who tell stories that her that are you know i think a betting person would have to say more likely than not unlikely to be accurate or even in the neighborhood or time zone of accurate. You know the the there's this entire category of stories called sir where people come up to instead sir. I just wanted to thank you for this or sir. This just happened and you know reporters diligently urgently trying to track down. Such people are almost invariably unable to discern the origins of this. Is there <hes> you know. Is it right for the press to i as i i think it is to hold you know. The president's opponents very accountable at the same time. Are we losing something when we focus in that way on his opponents about the fact that this is just a constant with with the guy who holds the most powerful office in his upper reelection himself well. That's how how immured we've become too trump. I mean we're we're that we're the frogs in the boiling rolling kettle and we we haven't felt the water. We may not feel it until it's too late but it's been boiling. According to the washington post fact checker where up to twelve thousand false statements that's an assault on truth on rationality on evidence on argument such that we have never had from president president of the united nothing remotely resembling that so that's a that's a category all by itself at the same time. Joe biden is not on his top game came at the at the climate <hes> conflict a woman said my my daughter was killed by a falling tree. Joe did not say. I'm terribly sorry he just wanted. His song song missed it. Yes you've been hearing this. This hour from our all star panel seem amita political writer for the l._a. Times covering twenty two thousand presidential campaign great to have you thank you we've also been joined by sharon shannon petty piece senior white house reporter for n._b._c. news digital pleasure to have you as well. Thank you very much and jack beatty our own end point news. News analysts have a great weekend jack good to see you. Continue the conversation. Get the on point podcast or website on point radio. Dot org are executive producers. Karen shipman me. I'm david folkenflik. Conflict in this is on point.

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The Bolton Factor

Article II: Inside Impeachment

19:17 min | 9 months ago

The Bolton Factor

"And the truth Shell make you free and Lord thank you for giving our chief justice another another birthday. Aw man the majority leader is recognized as the chaplains indicated on a Vala happy birthday. I'm sure there's did exactly how you plan to celebrate income. Well thank you very much for those kind wishes and thank you to all the senators for I'm not asking for the as in as pursuant to the provisions of Senate resolution four eighty three from NBC. News this article too two inside impeachment. I'm Steve Keke. Today is Monday January twenty seventh in. Here's what's happening indeed. We're living in what I think can aptly be described as the age of impeachment president. Donald Trump's legal team continued. Its defense today in the Senate impeachment trial but these opening arguments are being overshadowed by a major development when the time supporting ousted. National Security is John Bolton has receipts purporting president trump did in fact direct him to withhold aid to Ukraine and exchange for investigations into the democratic and Joe Biden. There's new pressure this morning to call for National Security Adviser John Bolton to testify. They're stepping up their calls for Bolton to be witnessed number one last week. Republicans were confident. The trial would wrap up quickly now. It's not so clear today. An article too we're asking. How are these allegations by John? Bolton affecting affecting the White House defense and the possibility that witnesses may be called Shannon petty pieces of senior White House reporter for NBC Shannon. Thank you for being part of the show charge. Glad to be here so opening in day it really the second opening day I guess the first one counts as a half day for the for the trump legal defense team on Saturday They had a relatively brief compared into what we've been seeing a set of opening remarks now today a more fulsome Opening argument from the President's legal defense team we heard the prosecution make its case the the trump defense now taking shape. What are the key arguments? They're making well so far. What we've heard from the president's lawyers today is trying to paint a picture of a president who was not trying to use funding to Ukraine for personal political reasons but a president who had other motivations involving the country's entries best interest in heart so this argument that we have heard from Republicans from the president's allies in the past that the president wasn't putting a hold on money to Ukraine craned because of the Biden investigations it was because of corruption and going back to comments that the witnesses that the Democrats have actually cited from the house? Trial have used To to to show that the president did actually have concern about corruption. Ukraine and corruption was actually an issue there. According to Ambassador Volker President Trump demonstrated that he had a very deeply rooted negative view of Ukraine based on past corruption. And that's a reasonable position. According to Ambassador Volker most people who know anything about Ukraine would think that They have tried to make this case that the president couldn't have been putting a hold on AIDS Ukraine unless lesson investigated the Biden's because the president actually did release aid to Ukraine and again going back to words from the Democratic witnesses in the house trial. Where they they said that the aid was eventually released and that there was eventually a meeting with the president on September eleven based on the information collected and and presented to president trump? The president lifted the pause on the security assistance. As Mr Morrison explained our process gave the president president the confidence he needed to approve the release of the security sector assistance. Of course the president's legal team is failing to mention. The fact at that age was only released and that meeting only happened. After reports of the president's alleged pressure on Ukraine came out and a full House investigation began. So we've heard the lawyer get into a bit more detail today a bit more meat and specifics. In the president's case as opposed to Saturday when it was a more are high level what the legal team described as a movie trailer version of their defense. So along these lines we actually have a question that came in from one of our listeners. Owners were always asking folks. Send in your questions. If you've got anything you're wondering about Daniel from Petaluma California. I think by the bay area He wants to know. This is of the arguments put forward by the White House team which is the most compelling from a legal perspective Chain and you have a sense of that well. I'm obviously not a lawyer but I can give you a bit of perspective on that that I've been hearing so on a broad level. There is an argument that even even if the president did put a hold on funding to Ukraine until the investigate the Biden's. There's nothing wrong with that is what the president's lawyers have been trying to argue because the president accident has broad authority. They say under the Constitution to make whatever decisions he wants when it comes to foreign aid and they have pointed to other instances where Obama or or another president. Put a hold on eight. And they've said that politics is always involved and the second one is attacking the overall process arguing. The process was unconstitutional. Regional arguing that. This is all an attempt by the house to invalidate the election and that the American public should decide who the president is not the senators. and May it please this Court of impeachment. I stand before you today. In defense of my fellow Americans who in November number two thousand sixteen elected Donald Trump to serve the people as their president their reasons for that vote. You were as varied as any important decisions are but their collective judgment accepted as legitimate under our constitution his deserving deserving of my respect and yours so Shannon John Bolton the president's former national security advisor He's kind of been hovering over for this. Entire process has been the question of whether he'd be called as a witness in then in the last forty. Eight hours That question was reinforced. I in a dramatic way. What has happened with John Bolton so there were reports that I came out in the New York Times that John Bolton was working on a book and and that a manuscript of the book that had actually submitted to the White House for review said that president trump directly told him that he was freezing aid Ukraine until Ukraine carried out investigations that he wanted to see including an investigation into the Biden's now we have heard that from other witnesses but the White House has has argued that none of those witnesses had firsthand knowledge of this that they were Just assuming this or that this was something they had heard from someone else now now. The White House has until now blocked anyone. Who would have had first-hand knowledge so anyone who had direct conversations with the president from testifying asserting essentially essentially executive privilege now bulletin is no longer an administration official? He is now on the outside. He had said he would be willing to testify if the Senate called him they have not made that decision yet in the Senate trow whether or not witnesses will be called but now we finally have a sense of what John Bolton would say if he was to be called in the Senate trial And that is directly linking from the president's own mouth the funding to Ukraine and these investigations into the violence. So we've got this is news of what's in Bolton's book we've got as you say this unresolved issue of whether the Senate will hear from him whether he'd be called as a witness at all in as is that sort of there in the background you've got the president's lawyer Jaysekulow making this argument today. Not a single witness testified. The president himself said that there was any connection between any investigation and security assistance. A presidential meeting or anything else. So Shannon secular. Oh saying not. A single witness has testified that there was this connection. This connection between the security aide an investigation that statement seculars ability to make it seems to depend on on Bolton. Not Testifying. Is that right. That is right and again. This is something we have heard from the the president's advocates and allies all along discrediting the various witnesses saying that none of them had first hand information. And also discrediting them as these these Deep State and never trumpers that they've used and of course John Bolton is not never trumper He worked in the trump administration. Restauration has been a big advocate of the president. He is A Popular Fox News contributor. He's worked in the in the George W. Bush administration. He has a lot of credibility with conservatives He is someone who has a lot of credibility with a lot of Republican senators. So yes certainly. His testimony poses the risk of undercutting a lot of what we have heard from the president's lawyers in the past two days it's up for a as I said a moment ago. These these two points that even if the president did tie the Ukraine to investigations. It doesn't matter. Presents are allowed to do that And this whole process is unconstitutional. And it's an attempt to overthrow the voters and those I think are really the the last two key arguments they could go back to. If Bolton does indeed say what we reportedly have that he has said in his book into what. What's the president saying? What are folks around the president saying a about Bolton in about what again what's reported to be in this book so the president has denied that he ever said this to Bolton He called it false He insinuated that Bolton someone just trying to sell books no matter script but I can tell you nothing was ever said to John but I have not. I guess he's writing a book. I have not seen as far as inside the White House. So are reporting indicates that the president's legal team is prepared to make an argument of executive privilege Should had the Senate called Bolton to testify. That's something that's been a likely option that they've had all along that they could try and block this testimony by executive privilege and it's looking increasingly likely though today that they're going to have to make that argument and of course if they do A certain claim of executive privilege the expectation is that then that is going to go to the courts awards. And it's going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court to decide and whether you can use executive privilege in an impeachment hearing is sort of untested waters it came up in the Nixon impeachment hearing but but that involved tapes involved a criminal investigation and this actually evolved testimony in an actual Senate trial. So it's pretty unclear. What exactly of course would do in this scenario? She and we're going to go quick. 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Democrats need to stand together in the Senate and they need four Republicans to break over and join them on those votes. We've been going through it and it's been been hard to see exactly which for that might be but there is the question now whether this Bolton News Might Jarrah few loose a few critical Republican votes lose for Democrats. Are you seeing any signs that might be in the works here. Yes definitely the issue of witnesses specifically John Bolton as a witness seems much more likely today than it did on Friday and you know I know there has been talk of witnesses all along as you mentioned but there's definitely been some senators who've been leaning in the direction of witnesses and we got a better sense of what they're thinking is on that again. Today Susan Collins came out reporting on John unfolds in string and the case for witnesses and has prompted a number earth stations. We heard Romney come out saying he wants to hear from John Bolton essentially a story that came out yesterday it's it's increasingly apparent that it would be important to hear from John Bolton I of course make a final decision on witnesses. After we've heard from Natalie the prosecution but also the defense but I think at this stage. It's pretty fair to say that John Bolton has a relevant testimony to provide to those of us who are sitting in impartial just a couple of others senators hitters. We've heard weigh in Lisa Murkowski All at another name out there that we're watching Lamar Alexander which As of now I don't believe he spoke out on this but he's another one who could defect so it definitely seems. The momentum is starting to really head in that direction and the John. Bolton News is certainly pushed a lot of senators in that way and is is gonNA put pressure on them politically because you see news reports. If you're a voter out there about what Bolton says in his book and what you're reading in The New York Times or seen on NBC. See News will. You're going to want to hear that right out of his mouth and there's going to be this question of well. Why not? Why not let him testify that I think a lot of these moderate senators in the Middle Arkan have to answer answer that question from their constituents? That's interesting though. I do wonder if that sets up. The potential for friction between trump and and some of these Republicans. Maybe even Mitch McConnell I if it were to come to what you're describing there just in that We've seen this. President have no hesitation to go after his own party if he thinks they are wrong. Him and I imagine he's not eager to have John Bolton be a part of this If they were to cast a vote that sort of opens the door to that. I wonder if there'd be awesome We'd see some division in the Republican side. Well the White House is hoping that if the door to witnesses does get opened with John Bolton that they will argue that they should be able to call their own witnesses. And that that's when you get into a hunter Biden situation or a situation where they can then call their own witnesses that they hope will exonerate all right the president now. There's no guarantee that necessarily going to happen because the senators are the ones who get to decide but it yes it could be a real moment where you have to see some real daylight between the president and the Senate but again at the end of the day the the White House does feel like they will be able to defend themselves and that's still at the end of this process. The president will be acquitted. They will head injury election and they will be able to run on a whole myriad of other issues outside outside of impeachment and get the president reelected that way. What would witnesses due to the timeline of this trial I I mean I've heard suggestions that without witnesses? This could wrap up really fast. I have even heard people suggest the end of this week without witnesses but but if there were a vote to have witnesses how long would that extend trial for. Well that is the question. Every reporter order in Washington wants to know and we were all like doing the math on our phones as weekend realizing this could be done by Friday or Saturday potentially Is So if there is a a John Bolton Subpoena and the White House asserts executive privilege it goes to the courts and that could really take weeks even an expedited process process and while that waits in the courts. I don't know exactly what happens. I'm assuming the trial just gets put on hold and everyone in. The Senate goes back to their regularly scheduled programing programming but yes there is definitely potential with witnesses that this trial could still be overhanging. The president during his State of the Union on February fourth. It it could still be hanging out there. During the primaries during the New Hampshire primaries during South Carolina during these key election primaries that are going on for the Democrats. So just sort out of uncharted territory. And we're really just taking it. I think here one day at a time Iran. Sometimes one hour at a time waiting to see what's going to happen next. Pretty big pivot point coming up then either. This thing wraps up quickly or it goes on for a while. We'll find out looks like later this week. Shannon petty piece senior White House reporter for NBC. Thanks so much for joining honest. Thank you the president's legal team is planning on continuing their opening arguments tomorrow article. Oh to inside. Impeachment is produced by Isabel Angel. Max Jacobs Claire. Tie Aaron Dolton Preachy Verizon Alison Bailey. Adam the BOA and Barbara Rab. 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Day 1,000: Pelosi says Trump had a 'meltdown' at the White House

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

44:59 min | 1 year ago

Day 1,000: Pelosi says Trump had a 'meltdown' at the White House

"Creating the already isolated president is not well for his part the president insulted and diminish the Kurds who fought and died alongside American tonight the blow up at the White House the photo shows the speaker standing up to the president right before she walked out saying trump had a meltdown in Lindsey Graham has been so incensed over the president's decision to pull US troops out of northern Syria that today he actually said bad things about the decision seven thousand miles away Russia's much lesser Iran is right there Turkey is right there a longtime water carrier for this president current embassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor will get his chance to speak to Congress also a closed door deposition next Tuesday back in September the president facing furious pushback from Congress is looking very much to preserve protect and defend his friendships and alliance the heat is now on trump's friend and lawyer and the letter proudly released by trump today that people just assumed was a fake or NBC News Headquarters here in New York and this indeed was day one thousand of the trump administration and tonight by all accounts and increasingly isolated Addis Meantime in Congress the impeachment inquiry is moving fast another insider spoke up today another rudy associate was arrested today as the but as the eleventh hour gets underway on a Wednesday night we'll good evening once again and the president is not listening to his commanders he's not listening to his advisors he's not is making the biggest the center of the pressure campaign against Ukraine The New York Times reports former trump Russia adviser Fiona hill testified for her part on Monday she considered that has nothing to do with us and the Kurds are much safer right now but the Kurds know how to fight and says in his own party trump's effort to stonewall the impeachment inquiry took another hit today with testimony from only the latest veteran State Department official up before house investigators Michael McKinley who quit his job as a top aide to Mike Pompeo just last week testified for five hours today in his it's in Syria trump today defended his decision to abandon our US allies the Kurds who are now battling a week long assault from Turkey mastic political objectives tomorrow Congress will hear from trump donor turned ambassador to the EU Gordon Sunland who has emerged as a figure foreign service employees caught up in the impeachment inquiry on Ukraine and second by what appears to be the utilization of our ambassadors overseas to advanced opening statement he said quote the timing of my resignation was the result of two overriding concerns the failure in my view of the State Department to offer support to on Monday a potential national security risk and described him as quote metaphorically driving in an unfamiliar place with no guardrails and no GPS mistake of his presidency by assuming the Kurds are better off today than they were yesterday that is just unbelievable I can imagine if Obama said that what re Republicans would be saying now somewhere to say it with trump that is just unfair dangerous and quite frankly is just he sent a text to sunland about the wisdom of withholding security assistance to Ukraine in return for help with a political campaign on the matter of the crisis there's a lot of saying that they can play with our view the situation on the Turkish border with Syria to be for the United States strategically brilliant as I said they're not angels and not angels take a look it's not often order we shouldn't be losing lives over it it's a lot of sand they've got a lot of sand over there so overwhelmingly to condemn trump's withdrawal of US forces. The tally was three fifty four to sixty that means one hundred twenty nine Republicans supported that resolution against trump after that vote congressional leaders headed over to talk with trump about Syria they were invited to the White House according to the Democratic leaders present the meeting and defensive and frankly it got worse from there he was insulting particularly the speaker she kept her cool complete the president that shortly before the meeting we had a vote Congress just couldn't handle it but to the one Republicans voted to oppose bleak but he called her a third rate politician he said that the communists involved in you guys might like that he said honorable for us to abandon the Kurds problem oppress trump he tells slide Ronald Reagan and he acts like Rand Paul this afternoon the House voted Pelosi by the way later clarified the president's insult this meeting on the wrong foot bliss doing in Syria just couldn't handle kind of engaged in a meltdown the president came in to my observation angry communists are taking isis were communists would be happy I mention of Communists on our watch glad to clear that up tonight trump posted this photo of today's meeting writing nervous Nancy's unhinged meltdown Schumer did note that they went off the rails the meeting started by the president saying he never invited on there for the meeting Speaker of the House reported trump also handed out copies of a letter he said he sent to Turkey's president a week ago three days after trump told Erta one that he would withdraw US troops from Korea. The letter was first released by Trish Regan a Fox business and it reads quote dear Mr President let's work out a good deal you don't want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people and I don't WanNa be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy and I will history will look upon you favorably if you get this done right and humane way it will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don't happen don't be a tough guy don't be a fool I will call you later there was also this from the president today while alongside the leader of Italy is looking into the corruption of the twenty sixteen election this was one of the stranger days of recent times if this isn't chaos it'll do until chaos gets here asked Peter Baker chief White House correspondent for The New York Times Frankfurt Lucy former FBI assistant director for Counter Intelligence and here in New York Barrett Burger veteran to President Obama I happen to think it does with that and here for our leadoff discussion on a Wednesday night we welcome back to the broad in federal prosecutor former assistant us attorney with both the Eastern District of New York and the Southern District of New York good evening and welcome to you all Peter Baker it was a corrupt election whether it's Comi or McCabe or struck or his lover Lisa page two great lovers there was a lot of corruption maybe does this indicate a total lack of structure on the inside I did feel like a day was kind of spiraling out of control at various points from one extraordinary moment to another to see the President I states say on camera and fun of the world that we don't care about what's happening in the Middle East was rather striking especially given that it happened just hours before his vice president and secretary of state were jet off to the region to try to implement a ceasefire that certainly didn't help their diplomatic mission to have the president say this at the moment it feels like things are sort of unraveling a little bit Barrett Burger you've been with us to talk about the law for a good many before the house these are insiders who have chosen to stick their heads up and say what they saw and I imagine the under if these past one thousand days of this administration so we have the Muller report it comes and goes the difference right now is this parade of testing wiedersehen Adieu the third politicians say raid third way for me wish you were quality a confirmed perhaps to you about the kind of government we're being governed by currently I was on the air today doesn't really matter to the United States that it's not a concern to them then to see both parties not just the Democrats but the Republicans pile on with criticism is something we haven't seen are is because this is proceeding in Congress we're getting a lot more information about what's happening in real time that one of the things that everyone said about the muller team and it was to their credit it was that there was no leaks coming out of their shop which was really commendable but what it meant is that we were in this black box we didn't know these big developments that were happening there wasn't sort of this rant of everything we're watching every day the legal jeopardy just increases I think one of the big differences between the Muller investigation and how things are proceeding there's something where he is driving the train people around him have tried giving them advice that's different than he is taking yet and he's following his own instincts his argument is I got here Lee of desperation this is the leader of the free world begging for help after a colossal error and what does that mean for our government I've heard people said chairmanship has said that he's going to release the transcripts of what's happening as soon as it won't affect the investigation so we really are able to learn more about this and I think it's building public supporter building public outrage in the same way that there is now the fact that even the witnesses are now testifying in closed sessions we're getting reports about what the government with every action that he takes and it's dangerous it's reached the point of dangerousness and frank while I have you because it's part of your title and because what I see in the letter is a president who is begging for help saying I screwed up can you please help me please don't slaughter here on my own and if I had to you know follow those instincts they will be successful for me and I don't have to listen to the advice that I consider to be bad advice but I'm very often in this presidency and then you see this remarkable meeting with Speaker Pelosi in that letter that you quoted you know it's it's a it's a one man presidency obviously case but let's assume for the moment that they are looking at Guiliani from a CI counterintelligence perspective what does it mean well it's not a criminal investigation it's a national security the net we have a leader who every day is not just vacuum he's not just absent he's actively undermining our national security and our form of because FBI agents who happen to work counterintelligence are questioning people doesn't necessarily mean that they've put Rudy Giuliani's name in the subject line with Nicole Wallace when that letter from trump to air to one was released and she read it and I after I realized that it was not a hoax I was saddened by thousands of Kurds I'm going to look really bad and of course you flips it on Amazon and says it's you that's going to look really bad let's make a deal it's it's education and specifically it means that there's predication to believe that a foreign power foreign intelligence service is somehow operating against US interests through people halogens investigation just what for us the consumers of this news what does that mean I want to exercise caution because this word counterintelligence we saw those reports today that Mr Giuliani is the target perhaps or among them of a counter in into campaigns or packs that's a lot of money that we get the FBI's interest and that four national number one is supposed to be a Russian that would get even further attention and then we see even rudy openly saying I'm working over there with Ukraine I'm working for a guy who was pro Russia candidate and that would get the foreign agents registration act which is basically a pro transparency statutes saying if you're doing work on behalf of a foreign government and you're either lobbying liked perhaps rudy and or his associates so what would some predication for that be well let's look at what we know we know that about a million dollars flowed front president though seemed is remarks today seemed to be fueled by genuine anger and emotion hard to tell if it's going to turn out to be a mirage FBI's attention and say are you unwitting or wittingly working on behalf of Russia as Nancy Pelosi said today all roads seem to lead to Putin for the FBI something things that he's been fighting for and feeling strongly about for many many years and obviously overrode his sense of loyalty that he has been expressing about president trump. Does it Sion's for not doing that so that could be one of the areas at the southern district is looking into Giuliani if in fact what he was doing was not really traditional legal advice that was the last twenty four hours Brian say we we are seeing a government like never before we're seeing a we're seeing what it's like to have no government I say it may be even worse are now under criminal indictment I mean to build off of what frank was saying one of the areas of the southern district could be looking at is a potential violation of the fair statutes which is the king at Rudy or his associates all rose may indeed lead to Russia and bear at Burger course this year former shop it's never a good luck when four more associates of yours are rounded up as part of this talk about the potential legal jeopardy Giuliani's looking at yeah I mean I think we don't know yet has longstanding feelings he's a hawk in the McCain style of his mentor specifically about the Middle East the issues of Iraq and Syria Afghanistan hoping the public able to follow more long enough to really understand the severity of this for what was your takeaway from today what did it Asia in the end if it's real will he give other Republicans air covered come out the I think in Israel I think this is one area where Senator Graham mm Russian or shoot me four national number one that's what they call him in the indictment of these associates into the United States and through the associates and whether the unit they don't think it's an impeachable offense they've been relatively quiet just about what he did in terms of pressuring Ukraine because that is existential threat to this president and that is a line air covered others yeah I think you saw that today as you pointed out two thirds of the House Republicans voted to review the president on this two thirds senator McConnell opened his weekly knife hey msnbc listeners. It's me Chuck Rosenberg this week on the oath CH- coming on to start off our conversation Peter Baker Frank Figliuzzi Barrett Burger thank you coming up for us the former supreme allied commander of NATO Aclu what the the range of jeopardy is that he's facing but you're exactly right it's never a good thing when four associates people that have paid you money Dan and later the White House stunt that backfires and the grieving British family stuck in the middle of it as the eleventh hour is just getting started on this Wednesday was crossing more in to the lobbying realm Peter Baker. Let's talk about Lindsey Graham as we said a veteran of a water carrier for this allied commander of NATO a position that had historically only been awarded to army generals join me as I talked to Jim about the enduring importance of the NATO alliance when Bob for the President I think what you owe a president is your honest opinion it has last post Jim was the first navy admiral ever to serve as the supreme available now wherever you get your podcasts we don't get the chance to say this often but earlier today he international security world is that Russia's still kind of dangerous and also we discover terrorism that's this week on MSNBC's the oath in Syria we bombed it because we won't be needing it anymore and we didn't want the Turks to come in and take our stuff and this is all because the United States F. Fifteen fighter jets bombed our own facility it was an old cement factory that had been taken over as an American military outposts master to continue his upward trajectory and simultaneously put war criminal chemical weapon user he's here to lay out just what we have done to our allies and what we have triggered in the Middle East which are president described today as a lot of sense well it's hard to imagine how one could in a single stroke re enable ICES allow this forest fire which had and they feel like if they cross might be a step too far for them our thanks to all three of our start off guests for tonight we appreciate you very much others and so I think on this issue Republicans do feel free to break with the president because they do have a lot of company what's different is not speaking out against him on the Ukraine thing most been put out to reflash elevate Iran a significant part of this allow Vladimir Putin the puppet he also happens to be the author of a new book you will start seeing wherever books are sold it is called sailing north ten admirals and the voyage I sit down with retired four-star Navy Admiral James Stavridis you have to always balance the question of whether you can do the right job which included warehouses used to train and equip the Kurdish lead fighters came after Turkish forces moved on the facility on Tuesday as the Turkey the Cold War ended a lot of people said well that's the end of NATO we don't need anybody to keep the Russians out in for a while we kind of thought that and then what we discovered in the of character it is a great pleasure to have you here thank you for being here thank you sir what has the US what has our president gone and done in the Middle East or doing some sort of public relations work here in the United States you have to register with the Department of Justice you have to to make this known it has to be you know out there and they're conference by saying you know he feels occurs and he wishes this is not what was happening obviously Mitt Romney spoken out Jodi ca jody earth from Iowa retiring with the rank of four star at only happens to be the former head of the US Southern Command he happens to be the former supreme allied commander of NATO small hinge that a big door swinging on this is a geopolitical mistake of near epic proportion Bouchara Assad in the driver seat in Syria with one stroke of a pen really one phone call to the Pentagon is he Pelosi on one hand and over here Mitch McConnell are in agreement this is a mistake the president auto reverse the United States as an ally and let's face it here's an issue upon which Bernie Sanders and Lindsey Graham are in complete agreement back forces move closer to the Lafarge Cement Factory facility south of cobaine the Kurdish forces set fire to their part of the base and teens engage today to destroy our own facilities indeed a generally when a military force is burning its own equipment destroying in its wake and effectively cutting and running the next thing you see our helicopters lifting off a rooftops drawing two or three thousand US troops from Syria a tiny number Brian when I commanded the mission in Afghanistan it was one hundred fifty thousand troops chorus on this at a minimum we need to do everything we can to try and rebuild our position this photo the president tweeted out from the White House meeting that went on the Patriots or the Red Sox you also know that his hatred of politics is genuine and long standing and he loves the US Melanie Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley if you know him at all if you've ever met him you know he's a taciturn new englander unless you WanNa talk about you and I are old enough to remember Vietnam nineteen seventy-five it has that kind of feel and the knock on effect here will be a lack of trust having been around naval aviators all your career and knowing the fearsome capability of our aircraft it must also break your heart to know that we had to so the American military retreat from the area as ordered by our President The Wall Street Journal is reporting this way tonight the decision to target the base ends the same Kurds who are now on the run and being killed by the Turks because of trump's actions and along the way he also managed to insult General James as you know well Afghanistan one hundred eighty five thousand troops here in Syria we pulled two thousand troops out and yet that was the derails today there's a lot to take in but I noticed one guy in particular seated to the president's right he is our new chairman of the ahead with US tonight we are so pleased to welcome to the broadcast Admiral James to reach us and a graduate who spent thirty years in the United States Navy Rumsfeld a famously difficult secretary of defense debris we settled on mark milley fellow Princeton graduates mark was also captured. Yeah I know mark extremely well when he was a colonel in the Pentagon I was a three star officer and I needed somebody to brief don more candid conversations some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera listen for free wherever you get your podcast just before Congress tomorrow this is where we are two of our veteran White House reporters are here to explain it all when we come back you go without bombast without endlessly touting himself he did it in the way of quiet confidence that character is all another important day in this fast paced impeachment inquiry the President's ambassador to the EU is expected to testify in defining feature for our nation and in the end light a lamp in this very dark troubled world we live in today we Admiral Chester Nimitz I was a four star Admiral in wartime only we have five star admirals fleet admirals Chester Nimitz indeed and here again Nimitz continued his march she continued his voyage. I should say and enable context he continued to work for roles and the voyage of character coming up for us what to expect when ambassador Gordon Sunland one of the so-called three Amigos appeared home and almost all of them kind of smoke themselves to death and they lacking their central cause to be alive they were dead within a few years twee lacks so much in our politics today book is on sale across the country who do you hope reads the book beyond those of us who are naturally drawn to the subject matter Jake character which is inside ourselves is more important I think it's a book for everyone in that sense the door of leaderships all about and that's really what the book is about and like guys like McCain's Dat like Admiral Halsey these guys were legends they also came on it's and his ethos and whether or not we can get that back today boy I hope so Brian here's Fleet with top Ukrainian officials in the White House in which he explicitly mentioned the Ukrainian Gas Company linked to one hundred Biden amend negotiations don't what I hope for the book is that it is a lesson that leadership is what we exert over others it's important but at the end of the Chet Nimitz came from a small town in Texas to command of the Pacific Fleet a couple of days after Pearl Harbor he surveyed his beautiful fleet and they were Jackie's on the deck of a diesel submarine and he squared his shoulders he built a team in a defeated the Japanese empire took him for years he did it without it the nation representative to the United Nations he lived into his eighties he's an inspiration to us all for the kind of quiet confidence uh okay let's reset here regarding tomorrow it wings on the small hinge of character so I hope it's a book that can help ameliorate the polarization our politics bring us back to characteristed private on the hill are Josh Letterman is reporting tonight quote lawmakers planned to Grill Gordon Sunland on Thursday about a private discussion he had journalist and senior White House reporter for NBC News Digital Along with Joel Cohen White House reporter for the Associated Press Welcome back to the both of us eh four star admirals around these parts thank you very much for visiting we'll do it again thank you Sir Admiral Stavridis again is the author of sailing true North Ten stay out of politics Mark Milley is in a tough spot right now talk about one of the men you profile happens to be one of my favorites on that's Admiral Chattanooga over granting Ukraine's new president and audience with President Donald Trump that's a lot and here with us to talk about it tonight Shannon petty piece of veteran Junkyard Hulks in the water core died in the air he couldn't take command on the deck of a beautiful battleship because they were all sunk he took command in a parakeet and Shannon let's let's not waste time let's go directly to speaking English what's the guessing on the ambassador is he gonNa take one for the team exceeded election and to investigate this energy company related to the Biden's what I think the revelation that could come out of this or at least what then a donor he was put into this position as ambassador to the EU and then even though the Ukraine is not part of the EU that was additives folio presumably because the president trusted him to deal with the Ukraine and put this sort of pressure on the Ukraine that he wanted to see to investigate the twenty the congressional investigators are going to try and get to the bottom of is whether or not the president was dangling a meeting over the Ukrainian president INEX- chain forgetting the Ukrainians to investigate the two thousand sixteen election and the Biden's and that meeting between the the American President of the Ukrainian president was something that or he's going to tell the truth because I don't imagine you can do both well he is a at least was at one point a supporter of the president and her delegation in the Cabinet Room at the White House today his last words were we'll see you at the polls are we to indicate from that that he loves to stand up there at his rallies at the podium saying that he is under attack the establishment is trying to take him down he'd be able to tell his voters that be very important to the Ukrainians to establish this relationship with the US to show the Russians who of course there is this sense that the president trump has very close conditions of the Crean's investigating trump's political rivals Joe Kovin it is said that when the president bid farewell to Nancy Pelosi he is not bullish on the chances of any impeachment proceeding removing him from office prior to election day well that is the thinking of multiple offense lack much of its administration from cooperating the State Department is not cooperating and yet in almost sort of silent revolt you have cels in the White House and a perspective that the president seems to have adopted here whether that is a result of positive thinking are any kind of actual king effective talking point you've already started to see now how his campaign is trying to target what they see as vulnerable democratic see it specifically all to get enough people to essentially defy the White House's request and come forward and give this testimony so it does show Ukrainians wanted this was something that would be very strategically important and as we saw from those text messages that Sunland was involved in it appeared that that meeting was but beyond that then the hearing docket quiets down a little bit and so I don't know necessarily how much they're going to advance things rally this time in Texas will have a preview when we come back districts putting the pressure on those Democrats saying is this really what you elected these members to do to impeach the president of the United States and Shannon in the meantime can relationship with President Putin but to show Putin Ukrainians have a close relationship to and the US is still on Ukraine side so it's not just sort of like a vanity meeting that that there is some momentum to their investigation but I'm not sure we know where it goes from here we know next week I think Bill Taylor is scheduled to testify calling the White House's guidance and not turning over documents vice president is not turning over documents and cooperating so yet the Democrats in the house have still been able speak to the tonnage of testimony that's piling up that the house is taking and this from White House that has pretty successfully validate that election and they're trying to do it again in twenty twenty so this is something they believed that the president might be able to weaponize in the twenty twenty campaign Kratz in Washington have tried to impeach him from day one that they're trying to undo the votes of the two thousand sixteen election and that this is the way that they're trying to impeachment rules of the Senate we'll take the matter up the chief justice will be in the chair we will have to convey and every day six days is there is there palpable distance increasing between the president and these Republicans he's going to lean on donal is preparing for a speedy impeachment trial that would conclude before the end of the year writing quote McConnell told Senate Republicans Wednesday that he expects department officials continuing to come forward and testify the White House isn't handing over documents of the Office of budget management not turning over documents the dod is week from now of course everything keeps advancing so quickly it's really impossible to know where we'll be a week from now I'm glad you feel that way because it sure seems that way from here both of our guests have agreed Acre Nancy Pelosi to approve articles of impeachment as early as Thanksgiving according to people familiar with Wednesday's party lunch McConnell then surmise that the Senate could deal with the trial by Christmas concluding the impeachment proceedings before the Democratic presidential primaries began back for round two where the points are now doubled some of those Freshman Democrats who won in twenty eighteen in the midterm elections district the President one in two thousand sixteen and they're trying to take the case holding events in these Shannon petty peace and Jill Kovin Jill McConnell went asked about today's White House meeting said he didn't see anything and wasn't going to say anything day you had the house overwhelmingly with Republican support passing this resolution slapping his hands saying we don't approve of what you're doing here in this burn out of seven at twelve thirty or one o'clock in the afternoon senators will not be allowed to speak which would be good therapy for oh hard in the days and weeks to come such interesting political dynamic happening right now because just as the president needs Republicans to rally behind him to be on the Airway fehlinger information they're gleaning from the ground is completely unclear but they're thinking is look this is a president who has really excelled at being able to run as the victims umbro and we intended to do our constitutional responsibility so politico reporting today that that man Mitch stay with us just over this break and coming up day one thousand one of his administration will see this president at yet another campaign on raising numbers have come out lately this president has raised a ton of money yeah an extraordinary amount of money and I will say that they are reporting a significant creasing dire situation and at the same time then coming out and defending him Shannon petty piece the President Tomorrow Night Dallas Texas goes toward the trump reelection campaign

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Day 1,027: Trump remains defiant hours before public impeachment hearing

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,027: Trump remains defiant hours before public impeachment hearing

"Tonight Congress raises the curtain on impeachment hearings with the first live televised proceedings. Just hours away has just tonight. We're learning about next week's witness Nisa list. And it's fair to say the testimony will be relentless as the Democrats. Keep their eye on the calendar. Tonight we'll go over some of the evidence we will hear from tomorrow's first witnesses and the reporting on the trump White House from just today including the latest name. The president allegedly wanted to get rid of and fresh fresh from being handed. What he wanted by our president tomorrow? The leader of Turkey visits the People's House against the wishes of many lawmakers. WHO's still care about that sort of thing as the eleventh hour gets underway? This Tuesday night. Well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day. One Thousand Twenty seven of the trump administration and we're now just hours away from the start of the first impeachment hearings in generation. The Nation has been here three times in our history in the modern era with Nixon. And Clinton it's the sad fact of life but traditionally if impeachment touches your presidency. It goes right to the top of your obituary and stays there forever tomorrow morning. Democrats will take their closed-door investigation public as they begin to lay out a story of bribery and extortion as they see it a president using military leterrier aid to secure an investigation of his political rival. Tomorrow's Witnesses will be deputy assistant secretary of State George Kent and acting. US Ambassador Senator. To Ukraine Bill Taylor both of their closed-door depositions were released. Just last week you'll recall. It was Cantu told. Lawmakers trump quote wanted nothing nothing less than presidents Alinsky to go to a microphone and say Investigations Biden and Clinton while it was Taylor who testified quote that was my clear understanding security assistance. Money would not come until the president of Ukraine committed to pursue the investigation. The hearing will take place. Before the House Intelligence Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff and ranking member Devon Nunez. The top Republican will lead the questioning which will also include civilian lawyers. Is this time more on that later. On Ohio Republican Congressman Jim Jordan. A defender of trump at all costs and on all fronts was added to the Intel L. Committee just last week and is expected to provide a vigorous defense during tomorrow's hearing facts on the president side. The truth is on the side. There's four fax will not change have not changed we'll never change so that's his view. And meantime trump resorted to familiar attacks during a speech today here in New York workout. The Economic Club Democrats in Washington would rather pursue outrageous hoaxes and delusional witch hunts which are going absolutely nowhere. Don't worry about it. Democrats on the House. Intel Committee announced eight additional witnesses to testify publicly on through next week. A Tuesday that committee will hear from four people. They include ambassador. Kurt Volker and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander van men Wednesday three more including ambassador. Consider Gordon Sunland. The week closes out on Thursday. With Dr Fiona Hill. The former National Security Council official who worked under John Bolton. There's it's also news tonight about the man responsible for bringing the whistle blowers complain to Congress in the First Place New York Times reporting trump has considered firing the intelligence allegiance Communities Inspector General Michael Atkinson because of this action. The president has said he does not understand why Mr Atkinson shared the complaint complaint. He has said he believes Mr Atkinson whom he appointed in two thousand seventeen has been disloyal. And there's new reporting tonight from the Washington Post about the two associates associates of Rudy. Giuliani that our friends at SNL quickly branded the Tusch wrecks the post reports one on the left left Parnis says that he and his business partner on the right there. Ebor Fruman told trump at an April twenty eight dinner that are US ambassador to Ukraine back. Then Marie Marie Ivanovich was unfriendly to the president and should be fired. Please note here. This is the stuff of US foreign policy. Both PARNIS and Froma Roman who allegedly helped Giuliani set up. Meetings with Ukrainian officials have been charged by federal prosecutors with campaign finance violations today. Attorney General William Liam Bar. who has tried hard to give the appearance of keeping his distance from all impeachment related issues was asked about Rudy Giuliani's ties just to Ukraine out of their actions are of? I'm not GonNa talk about what's going on in inside the beltway as some of the shenanigans that are going on these days is all of this unfolds folds. ERTA one of Turkey gets to visit the White House tomorrow. Fresh from launching the military offensive into Kurdish lands that was green lit by the president tonight it. NBC News reports former National Security Adviser. John Bolton apparently told a private audience at an event quote he believes there is a personal or business. Ns relationship dictating trump's position on Turkey because none of his advisors are aligned with the president on the issue that should be enough to get our panel started tonight all three returning Veterans Carol Lennick Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter for The Washington. Post Robert Costa National Political reporter here in Washington for The Washington Post and moderator of Washington Week on PBS and Shannon Petty Piece Veteran Journalists Senior White House reporter for NBC News Digital Digital. Good evening and welcome to you all Robert Costa. I'd like to begin with you and your beat which is spending a lot of time. On Capitol Hill do people in Congress. Congress seemed to comprehend the gravity of what starts tomorrow. Or is this going to be more of a rolling gravity situation if you will will at the Capitol today walking around the halls of the Senate by the trains over at the House of Representatives. It's clear that lawmakers in both parties understand stay in the gravity of this moment in impeachment process the president of the United States his presidency on the line the challenge for both parties is. How is this going to play nationally as we go into a re election year for President Trump Democrats believe this is the critical phase the public phase to tie all this testimony ammonia that reporters have poured over and let the average citizen? WHO's out there working hard at a job or with their family to now digest this information in a way? That's understandable about a country. They may not follow on foreign policy in an incremental way Ukraine. Carol this may be unanswerable. But if it's answerable there's no one better than you to take the question. What might we hear for the first time tomorrow? That we don't know is coming up that we haven't heard heretofore. I think really what's important That you're going to hear tomorrow. Brian is a more cohesive version aligned. With what Bob outlined so well just now is. You're going to hear basically chapter one of what the House Democrats I believe is their best. Evidence impeaching the president and establishing a huge evidential sort of brick about why the president abused his public office his presidential powers for his personal gain in in most public offices. That would be reason to charge someone with extortion and or bribery. And what the Democrats are GONNA lay out. Its chapter one. And that is State Department officials who were hearing from people inside the White House and completely flummoxed that the president was essentially holding over the head of Ukraine four hundred million dollars in military aid not releasing it unless they were willing to do an investigation that would help him and harm Democrats Shannon. Petty piece is is there a day facto hotline from Republicans in the House and Senate to the White House that could be used to set up a kind of telephonic. A phonics room at least some kind of real time response to what we see starting tomorrow. Well if there was more coordination and organization relation within the White House that certainly could be possible. But as I have reported and we've talked about before the White House has really been struggling to come up with a strategy for how to handle impeachment but the White House has been talking with their allies in Congress for a while now about trying to come up with a strategy what the best messaging should be for tomorrow and one thing the White House is hoping will come out of this is ability to distance the president from these witnesses so no matter how damning their testimony is and how salacious. Maybe the things they say will be. Republican members will say well. Did you have any conversation with the president directly about this. Well no this was things things that they had heard is what the Republicans on this committee are going to push for so to say that these witnesses had no direct information about what the president was thinking or any direct conversations conversations with the president on this. At least that's the hope out of this but of course the White House. They have a whole day of counter programming scheduled to try and counter. This as you mentioned the Turkish president is there which on any other day would probably be the the lead headline story given the controversy around this visit and Turkey and Congress working on sanctions. There's a possibility some members from the Senate will be at the White House tomorrow simultaneously with this Turkish visit. Possibly a meeting between some of the Big Turkey hawks on the hill and Bertillon. You'll potentially that could be in the works and of course the trump campaign and maybe a silver lining in all this they going to have about twenty staffers working rapid response. What's on this and they're hoping this will be a big fundraising day for them tomorrow? As they have seen for other days like the Muller testimony like the Big Impeachment House House vote That appear to be harmful for the president but are really used by the campaign to rally his base and raise a ton of money or I Robert Shannon opened the door to this. I want to show you what happened when our cameras went after some prominent Republican senators asking them. If they'll be watching tomorrow. Do you watch the hearing tomorrow. No this week no not at all the tomorrow. I'm going to be paying attention what we're doing on the Senate. I don't have time to watch that. Tamar arm I've got other things to do now will not be watching. I think this whole thing is a sham. So Bob People are going to be picking up their laundry and resorting. Their sock. Jurors was anything but watching the hearing number one. Do you believe those answers were honest and number two. Is this any way for possible. Prospective Jurors to behave well. Brian will the cameras were chasing around those Republican senators. Today I was about ten steps down the hallway waiting for them to get out of the range of the cameras cameras and pulling them aside and while they say publicly. They're not going to watch the impeachment proceedings on Wednesday. Let me tell you if you look at my notebook today. Almost almost all of them will keep close track of it but when I asked him how do they. Are they going to engage with it. How will they respond? They say they want to frame this. As a partisan an exercise and they felt more uncomfortable about the Mueller investigation. Because Mr Muller was a non-partisan figure but now they see with chairmanship in the House and Opportunity Unity and the Republicans view to say. This is all partisan rand. Paul Senator from Kentucky on the record told me he can't wait to move to dismiss this entire impeachment humint once it comes to the Senate should it come to the Senate with a motion to dismiss. So there's the partisan soldiers the trump soldiers whether it's devin nunes in the house or Mark Meadows knows Jim Jordan. They're getting ready. So Senator Paul and Senator Graham in the Senate to make this political warfare not engagement of the substance which is what Democrats want to do on Wednesday to make it about the word. I kept hearing from Democrats today. Solemn is a solemn moment so shannon in addition to rudy. Giuliani Giuliani We have these two gentlemen who were swept up at Dulles Airport Washington Post headline on on this et donor. Dinner Giuliani Associates said. He discussed Ukraine with trump according to people familiar with his account. That's accessible us when you get to talk to the Boston right. And there have been pitchers going around of these men with the president. I'll say they are sort of a black box at this point to the White House. The president's lawyers the White House aides the top advisors. They don't know what these guys are going to say. There is no mutual defense pence agreement between these two and the president like we saw with the Muller investigation. We're really the White House. And the president's lawyers were working with a lot of witnesses and had access the same documents and records as they do. The White House has nothing so this is really a blind spot. Among a number of blind spots they have at this point that they are trying to navigate as the story keeps evolving in the few people. I have gotten to talk to you about this. They they really don't know where this story is going. There's a hope that there are sort of a side show to this. Yes but in this whole process. There's always that thread. You can pull where things start to unravel and many of the people close. The president don't know if this could be one of those threads grads Carolina. You were one of four person byline today. Here's the headline White House. Infighting flares amid impeachment inquiry and of course part the theme of the piece is how counterproductive how unusual this is you. And I both know a boatload of former Clinton White House aides who will all tell you it was imperative. What is that? Everyone was on the same page while that was going on. It's actually one of the most vulnerable making elements of this White House else at this very moment bryant because here they are staring down some really bad facts and Shin points out some facts. They don't know so it's a murky shimmery object that they're not sure how to box with and yet there is so much infighting there is the White House Chief of staff at war war with the White House counsel usually. They're in concert in this case they're staring at each other. Like maybe one of them can get the other one's job. There is the debate between also Mulvaney and Bolton John Bolton the former national security adviser telling basically Mulvaney eh when he tried to join onto their lawsuit about testimony. Stand back away from my lawsuit there. Is this sort of stunning division. Then within the White House and among the key people who are witnesses you know I was interested in in something Shannon said earlier about the Republicans trying to argue. Hey did did you talk to the president. Do you know what the president said because apparently you don't well. There are two people here in the White House former and current who have talked talked to the president about this and they don't like each other and they don't agree and that is a problem for Donald Trump. I'll certainly glad to hear everybody getting along. A quick programming note to to our viewers will have live coverage of the public hearing all day tomorrow beginning nine. Am Eastern right here on this network in this very studio in fact and we just might mention that again Dan at the end of the broadcast so we appreciate our big three starting us off tonight. Carolina Robert Costa Shannon. Petty piece are. Thanks thanks really appreciate it coming up tonight. Two of the most important players for tomorrow's hearing are not elected to office but they will be grilling the witnesses. There's a look at two of the lawyers in charge of making the case for and against this president and later Nikki Haley surprises a lot of people and now sounds like the rest of the crowd in her party. She has decided to go all in for Donald Trump. The eleventh hour just getting started on this Tuesday night looking at the West Wing. Yeah Congress absolutely has oversight power but it does not have oversight power during an over a pending investigation. Let's talk about a guy specifically that guy viewers of the hearing starting tomorrow are going to see something. Different Front members of Congress are GONNA have limited participation perhaps saving them from themselves and civilian lawyers will take on more of the questioning shinning and interrogation and viewers of this broadcast may recognize that familiar face. Daniel Goldman is a former assistant. US Attorney for the Southern District District of New York who appeared regularly here as a legal analyst and that pending investigation he mentioned is now over. Goldman is now working for the Democratic majority already in the Intelligence Committee and about him the Washington Post reports tonight Goldman is slotted to question each witness for forty five minutes followed by five five minute question sessions for each lawmaker. Stephen Are Castor General Counsel for the House Oversight Committee will be the Republicans point man by signing finding a big chunk of the questioning to a committee lawyer and in Goldman's case an accomplished former prosecutor party leaders are tacitly acknowledging thing. Just how serious the stakes are well. Last saw. That's asked someone who has been in the game for more on what to watch tomorrow. And that's Barbara mcquade veteran federal a prosecutor former. US Attorney for the Eastern District of the Great State of Michigan Barbara. How is it better to have civilian lawyers in these kinds of roles if indeed it is? I think it's much better out for a couple reasons. One is you often see in these hearings so political. Grandstanding that goes on politicians are just looking for the sound bite to say something outrageous To get their image on the news later that day whereas Someone like a Dan Goldman is in there just to do the job. He's not looking for to score political points. He doesn't have any sort of re election coming up. He's not looking to raise money so he is. They're just take ask the questions The other is he's trained and experienced in asking questions. It isn't just the questions it's listening to the answers in the same way you do. Brian the experience experience of knowing to listen and to ask follow ups to have a line of questioning with it builds on itself as it continues to go and the final thing is we often see in these hearings. I five minute alternating questioning between different parties. which makes it very difficult to build a sustained line of questioning by giving Dan Goldman forty five minutes he he can do a lot of good work during that time and elicit a lot of important testimony? If you were chief counsel for the House Intel Committee how would you recommend a focus. Their questions the answers to which after all have to become part of the story they want to tell well one of the things they have the advantage manage of having taken the depositions of all of these witnesses already behind closed doors. I think I would scrutinize those transcripts. And look for what is the most compelling Ling Information these people have for us and then allow the words come out of their mouths. I wouldn't want to give a long leading question only to have the answer. That comes out out of say ambassador William Taylor's to be yes or no. I want the worse to come out of his mouth and so setting up the questions and so that when when the things come out like There I came to believe that there was a request for election interference and that the price for that was military aid. You want those words to come out of the mouth of William Taylor and not out of Dan Goldman so I am sure he has been very busy structuring his questions. In such a way as to elicit those words out of the witnesses mounts and barb finally if I can teleport you all the way east to Washington the Roger Stone trial coverage of which has been limited by everything else. We're paying attention attention to these days. Stone declined to take the stand but Rick Gates did and did he do any damage I think he did one of the things that came out of this. In addition to the testimony against Roger Stone which to me is a strong case because so much of it relies on the documents compared to the testimony that that he gave but one of the things that we learned today was some of the information that had previously been redacted from the Mullahs report and that was when rickets related. The story of this a car ride. He had with President trump where president trump was getting a briefing from Roger Stone about the release of emails from wikileaks It it was sort of confirmed something that we've long suspected but now has been confirmed by what was behind those redaction bars in the Muller report. Is that president. Trump did have advanced information about those wikileaks emails. When he said in his written testimony to Robert Muller that he did not recall? I think it makes us all the more suspicious about whether that answer was true. Although it is very difficult if not impossible to ever prove what someone does or does not recall something. We say once a week around here and that is it's all there for the reading and the Muller report and in fact some of those black lines have now been unmasked as our audience just hurt Barbara mcquade. It is always a pleasure. Thank you very much for your time tonight. Coming up for us. Next Tuesday marks twenty one years since the House last held impeachment hearing up next the similarities. He's and the differences and how Congress has tried to hold the president accountable when we continue the programs regularly scheduled for this time will not be seeing today in order that we might bring you the following NBC News Special Report. Watergate Senate hearings live coverage Abridge of Senator Ervin's Senate Select Committee hearings into the Watergate affair. Try to speak exactly that way tomorrow morning. That's how the very first week of nationally televised impeachment hearings got underway on NBC News. Back in nineteen seventy three forty six years after Nixon and Watergate on the eve of trump public impeachment hearing there are plenty of comparisons to be made and a lot of people willing to make them. But as our own Steve Kornacki put it today. Quote the hope among Democrats dances that the hearings will feature televised testimony so compelling the public opinion breaks decisively toward impeachment thereby scrambling the politics on Capitol Hill but as tantalizing as the comparison is for Democrats. There's reason to doubt that the coming Ukraine hearings will lead to a similar shift in public opinion. And let's talk about that here with us to do that. Eugene Robinson Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for the Washington Post and AB stoddard columnist and associate editor at real clear. Clear politics. Good evening and welcome to you. Both Eugene talk about public opinion how quickly or how slowly it may change and of course starting with the phone in my hand nothing today is as it was no story partisanship. It's all different front. It is all different and and so basically. We don't know how this is going to play out. We don't know what's going to happen into public opinion in my guess is that something has to happen in these in these hearings There there has to be a moment moment probably Or series of moments that that that clarified The the the allegations The evidence that INS- That that really bring it home to people For there to be a sudden shift in public opinion then again yeah and it could be a gradual thing. It could be that the fact of of these weeks of public testimony and people listening to them have a sort of an effective accretion on public opinion. we just we just don't know this is a different world from the world during Watergate Gate Communications Different Partisanship I mean things. Were pretty partisan back then. But they're awfully partisan now People you know the the tribes are in their corners but I I have a feeling that there will be surprises. And obviously I don't know what those surprises There's public opinion and there's Republican opinion. What will it take to change? Change the ladder and while you're at it run through for me. Something I watched you do brilliantly at four eastern time this afternoon big name Republicans and who suddenly have been implicated in all of this right. I think that the daily storm focused on these little things lots of tweets from the president. Diverting the messaging and smashing the newest talking point for Jim Jordan on the other defenders in the Congress but the broad picture is how much this was a conspiracy. meaning that people were conspiring like. We're Giuliani and Gordon Song. Lynn and others at the behest ask the president had states but in their complicity they were involved conspiracy and that includes bill bar the attorney general. The Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Mike Pence the vice president Rick Perry the former Energy Secretary and Mike Pompeo the secretary of state and that is how much how deep and broad this goes and that's why Republican senators do not know what revelations will be made far beyond the hearings of this week before they they have to vote in a trial Eugene the charging among the Republicans they're making it about fairness. Why can't this be the the rules of a courtroom? Why can't there be a call? Witnesses rebuttal and all of that and it's a very simple and appealing the argument. Is there an equally simple and appearing appealing comeback from the Democrats. Well they can say this doesn't look like a trial because it's not a trial The trial Takes place if it does indeed take place in the Senate This is more analogous to You know preliminary proceeding leading the grand jury proceeding or were something like that Proceeding in which. There's a decision as to whether or not To to file charges I'm against President trump the defendant in this case Now does that cut through the argument that Republicans are making probably leave for the You know for the deepest Red Republicans it may not But that is in fact the case this is not in fact a Trial it is being conducted under rules were basically written by Republicans and when they had the the majority in the house and there is no set playbook for how to do this impeachment. Democrats make the argument at their bending over backwards to try to be fair to the president. Let's hold it right there and we'll ask both of our guests to stay with US coming up. The Nikki Haley of 2016. Sixteen sure sounds a lot different from today's Nikki Haley. We'll talk about her. We'll talk about that when we come back Time Rex Tillerson and as chief of staff. John Kelly you said that you told the president that he had these two folks who are working against him. How surprise you that the president decided to keep both of them on board even after you told them well? They're they're gone so I told him in due time and he figured it out on his own and the rest he was able to figure out Washington Post columnist Kathleen. Parker latest piece is called Nikki. Haley had it all then she wrote a book and blew it in the book and in interviews on her current book tour the former. UN Ambassador and two-term South Carolina Governor has clearly decided to go all in for Donald Trump. And that certainly hasn't always been the case. Did you ever have any doubt about the fitness of this president. Donald Trump is everything. I taught my children not to do in kindergarten. Any question about his truthfulness his ability. To tell the truth. I taught my two little ones. You don't line make things up. I never had any concern on whether he could handle the job. And never a man who has filed for bankruptcy four the times in every instance that I dealt with him he was truthful. He listened Amanda she uses not to disavow KKK. That is not a part of our party already. That's not present country and he was great to work with interesting little mash up there. Still with us our Eugene Gene Robinson and a B stoddard. Maybe you get to go first on this one. What do you think we're watching? What do you think has happened there? Well we knew and she left that she was very shrewd and very good at becoming through the first person to leave on her own terms and the trump administration leaving herself many Options for the future and that she was quite ambitious and had earned herself. You know a very good reputation had been good at the job of ambassador when people said she didn't have the chops to do it and then she went into private life and we learned she was writing this book. But the the timing of this and the full throated full bore into the trump onto the trump train is is has definitely surprised. A lot of people people on the idea that on this book tour in your book she would hang out. People like REX. Tillerson General Kelly and she said said she was offended that they were trying to things like general. Kelly had to stop the president early on in the administration from pulling our troops out of South Korea. I mean what what did she want him to do. So it's amazing. I was offended. Actually by the fact that she was willing to throw people under the bus like that and the voters will decide you when she's in a primary someday but she is definitely decided that you need to be on board with the trump family who she's close with and the trump train. If if you want a future in this party Eugene Haley and Romney. Romney and Haley were the fever dream day of the never trumper. Republicans is out there and there's leaves half of that equation now it sure. Does I know this is not going to be a popular stance with the never-trumpers. That's for sure but clearly. She's made a calculation collation. I think she's she's very ambitious. He obviously wants to be president. She seems to thinks she can be president but if she's she seems to think that if if she's going to have success in the Republican party she's got stay on as close to Donald. Trump has white on rice. Chief got up the right right there with him. There can't be any daylight because the Republican Party is essentially the Trumpian party now or that's the base of the party that's a calculation. She's making the you know the danger obviously is that once trump is gone. The trumpy nece changes mutates dissipates dissipates. It's not so much blind allegiance to him when he's gone as as just just to sort of perhaps the ninety article shift in the party this way or that way but it's not all about him personally once he's gone if that's the case then this is a bad move on her part A. B. I note. Mike Bloomberg flew to Arkansas to come in under the filing deadline in in that state. A wait till he learns that Americans like to see their presidential candidates on commercial flights preferably in coach. Be What what impact is he going to have on this race. We presume he's getting in because Why else would he be signing that piece paper in Arkansas today? Oh it's getting in because because he thinks that the field does not have the right candidates to be President Trump If he really believes that Joe Biden should be the nominee he could back him financially. Chilly Joe Biden's campaign needs some money and said he's going to siphon off votes from him at some point in the process but he can never be the nominee because he's not going to get any kind of adequate support from African American voters or done college white voters. The kind of. He's he's going to get some people who are more centrist in the Elizabeth Warren Coalition Educated White Liberals and he has done Passionate Senate generous outreach and work on the issue of climate and guns that will speak to some progressives but I doubt it's enough to get him in the game mm-hmm and as I said I think it in the in the end if he thinks Biden is the person that could be trumper. He did months ago. I think he just you know hinders him and helps the party. Choose more progressive candidate. That would be a better nominee for president trump to face off against next year the always truthful and end forthright. ABC and Eugene Robinson. Thank you friends both of you for coming on tonight coming up for us. Trump's attempt to counter programming tomorrow it involves a white White House visit from a certain world leader as tomorrow's impeachment hearings get get underway way. There will be an iron fisted leader in the White House named her to want tomorrow. Donald Trump is hosting the president of Turkey at the White House. His visit comes just weeks after Turkey invaded. Kurdish held territory in northern Syria. There is bipartisan opposition to tomorrow's meeting a group of House lawmakers sent the president a letter saying Oregon's decision to invade Syria has had disastrous consequences for our national security and adding quote. We believes that now is particularly inappropriate time for President ERTA WAN to visit the United States. And we urge you to rescind the invitation Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney of Wyoming coming also send Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo a letter on Monday regarding that 2017 attack on a peaceful demonstration in Washington. You may remember this. The scene the Turkish security guys were brutal. She also posted quote secretary. Pump Pale must ensure any ERTA won- thugs who to attack. American protesters during the ones last visit are denied entry into the US and expel any who are here. We will not tolerate violence against Peaceful Foale. Protesters this is America. Well back with us again. Tonight is Christopher dickey a veteran foreign correspondent journalist author. He's now the Paris based World News editor for the daily beast. Chris what it. What message is Donald Trump sending to the rest of the world by inviting this guy here right now first of all? It's a distraction from the impeachment proceedings. Although I'm not sure that he timed it so carefully as to do that. The main thing he's doing is showing that he's going to have good relations with air to on with Turkey Even though he almost blew it in September and October you know all this started an NBC. Did a great report on this. All this in many ways started at the UN General L. Assembly when trump snubbed air to on completely he saw dozen other leaders couldn't find the time to see air to on air. Duan insisted on having a phone uncall- and in that phone call said I'm going to invade northern Syria and you can't do anything about it and trump said okay and he's been trying to make up for that disastrous Chris decision ever since there. You are in Europe where we just marked. The thirtieth anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall give us a status report on what trump and the trump presidency has done to the Atlantic alliance and what has become of the US Russia Russia relationship. Now you have to remember that the Atlantic Alliance originally was formed to confront the the Soviet Union. And we're now in a position where Vladimir Putin is trying to revive if not the Soviet Union at least the old Russian empire and who presents himself as a major threat over the long term to the security of Europe but his buddy donald trump is doing everything he can chan took dismantle the North Atlantic alliance to the extent where President Macron here in. France told the economists last week. You know look we. The NATO alliance is brain dead. We can't go on without a better bill better leadership from the United States We're going to have to start learning to fend for for ourselves. Better win. mccraw said something similar to that last year trump through fit and and so we had this completely erratic radic series of signals that are sent that are not gradually rapidly corroding the whole nature of the North Atlantic Alliance alliance and making it difficult for Europe to defend against Russia. You've been kind enough to join us the time time never works out well on your end. It's coming up on six. Am on what we note. Is Tomorrow November thirteenth here in the states. That means Where you are car? It is now the fourth anniversary of the body clan attack. A moment we covered here on the air with your help as a live breaking news event. Talk about the legacy of what happened that night think I went down to the back. Climb yesterday I well your day. Still I went down to the clown yesterday and to some of the other sites That were hit and it was remarkable how peaceful they were and how in many ways you would never know that anything like that happened but of course there permanent scars here the Good News News. Is that the French have been very effective Since two thousand sixteen in stopping terrorist attacks they seem to have gotten a handle on it. But we don't know. Oh here's what's going to happen as we start to have more and more people returning from the Isis Battlefront in Syria and Iraq isis assist fighters who may well water bring the war back home. The French and Europe generally tried to keep them at arms leaks keeps them imprisoned in the Middle East but air doan is now shipping them back trying to ship them back to Europe and the Kurds. Of course who were betrayed by Donald trump can't really hold onto them that much longer. Our thanks as always to Chris Dickey high above the morning. Traffic on the Schoen's elise say thank you for joining us as always coming up the work that lies ahead and the story that will be told beginning tomorrow morning the last thing before we go tonight a reminder of the stakes tomorrow the first impeachment hearings in generation the third impeachment hearings of the modern political era and a reminder of where we've been perhaps you're old enough to remember the Mueller investigation. We mentioned at a time or two on this broadcast broadcast. Robert Swan Muller the third was revered by those who served under him spoken of almost exclusively in heroic terms he has now left the public eye. Having left Americans with an image of something perhaps less than that. The Mullahs report was withering indeed damning in in its findings but it was written for another era another time and American attention span and civic mindedness that we haven't seen around here in generations rations because Muller was so by the book. The book that resulted was actually read by very few the president's bombast and the boost he received received from his attorney general worked to in effect. Prejudge the Muller Conclusions and it ended up diminishing the Miller report and that brings us tomorrow tomorrow to hear the Democrats tell it now. They have a story they can tell one that people can understand a phone call and extortion plot. They say an American can president holding back military aid for dirt on his opponent. Tomorrow they get to start telling that story. Tomorrow's Witnesses State Department Veterans Bill. Bill Taylor and George Kent then on Friday we hear from former ambassador. Uganda vetch then. Next week it truly becomes relentless Tuesday Jennifer Williams who works for pants and then lieutenant colonel then former ambassador Volcker and former White House aide. Tim Morrison next Wednesday R. E. U. Ambassador. Gordon Sunland the big trump donor. Laura Cooper from the Pentagon David Hale from state and the next day we hear from Dr Fiona Hill importantly family our coverage tomorrow begins at nine. AM Nicole Wallace. And I will join you from this very studio with all our journalists and contributors and a special guest or two. We hope you'll join us for our day long coverage and as we get into these hearings this will be the broadcast to turn to each night for a review of that day's testimony any along with smart analysis so for this night that's our broadcast on a Tuesday evening. Thank you so much for being here with us and good night from NBC News Headquarters here in New York new for meet the press that Chuck Todd Cast. 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Day 1,127: Trump is mad Dems know Russia is meddling to get him re-elected

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Day 1,127: Trump is mad Dems know Russia is meddling to get him re-elected

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So they know our show sent you that simplisafe dot com slash our tonight blockbuster reporting from the New York Times and others that Russia is already interfering in our next presidential election and trying to tip the scales for trump's reelection further they report. The president fired his intelligence chief for telling Congress about it was Roger Stone. Trump's political adviser for decades receives his sentence and a stern lecture from a federal judge but his smile upon leaving court might've been a preview of the kind words he then received from his friend of over three decades Donald Trump and about the democrats. They held a two hour knife. Fight last night while insisting it was a debate the question that awaits them. Twenty four hours later. Will they attack the incumbent president with some of that same energy as the eleventh hour gets underway on this Thursday night? Well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day. Eleven hundred twenty seven of the trump administration leaving two hundred fifty seven days to go until the twenty twenty presidential election and we begin tonight with sad word. That funeral services are pending this evening after the death of outrage earlier today outrage officially died of exhaustion though buoy at the very end by the one bright spot the realization that it's close relative apathy survives and is thriving we are obviously taking some poetic license here to underscore the gravity of the story. That broke late in the day. I FROM THE NEW YORK. Times later confirmed by. Nbc News The Washington Post and others. The headline is the Russians are in the midst of tampering with our next presidential election. More than that. The Times reports the effort is to tip the result to Donald Trump. The campaign they say will include tinkering with this year's Democratic primaries getting Americans themselves to spread mistruths and divisions and casting doubt upon close elections and recounts the worst part of this reporting may be the reaction of the president upon learning that Congress had been told about all this and here we quote from the New York Times intelligence officials warned House lawmakers last week that Russia was interfering in the twenty twenty campaign to try to get president trump reelected a disclosure KONTA congress that angered Mr Trump. Who complained that? Democrats would use it against him the day after the February thirteenth briefing to lawmakers Mr Trump be rated Joseph Maguire the outgoing acting director of national intelligence for allowing it to take place more on the outgoing part in a moment. The report continues. Trump's cited the presence in the briefing of Representative Adam Schiff the California Democrat who led the impeachment proceedings against him as a particular irritant. The Washington Post First reported the Oval Office confrontation between trump and Maguire. In the wake of all that trump yesterday indeed fired the acting deny McGuire removing any hope of getting the job on a permanent basis and installed Richard Grenell as the new acting deny Grenell is the current U. S. Ambassador to Germany. It's a job plans on keeping while serving as acting deny he's been a vocal supporter of the President. Happens to have no intelligence experience earlier on this network former. Obama. Cia Director. John Brennan expressed his concerns about the new man. Zombie somebody who is this loyalist trump? Who is going to oversee the seventeen th intelligence agencies? Is he going to filter information? Is he going to shape? It is something that I think. A lot of professionals in the community and now looking at with a very very worried expression tonight a trump official is telling NBC News Grenell Not Serve. As acting director of National Intelligence for long and that the president who backed this up with a tweet moments ago will nominate a new Director Soon. Possibly within days this all comes a day after the. White House ousted. A top Pentagon official John Rude who pushed back on efforts to withhold aid to Ukraine and they have reassigned national security aide. Victoria coats the target of a whisper campaign accusing her of being the anonymous author behind that scathing New York Times op Ed of old. The White House has denied that rumor earlier this week. Though trump claimed to know the identity of anonymous I know who to tell you that I know all about anonymous on another front trump's longtime friend and advisor. Roger Stone was sentenced in federal court today just blocks from the White House. Judge Amy. Berman Jackson gave stone three years and four months. He was convicted last year of lying to Congress and threatening a witness in connection with his efforts for trump's 2016 effort stone is the sex trump associate to be convicted in a case stemming from Robert Muller's investigation. Today's sentencing follows intervention in the case from none other than the attorney. General William Bar. He got involved in the case after his boss complained publicly to is seventy million or so followers about the recommended sentence. During the hearing the judge told stone he quote was not prosecuted for standing up for the President. He was prosecuted for covering up for the president and the president for his part had this reaction to the sentence. And I'm following this very closely and I want to see it play out to its fullest because Roger has a very good chance of exoneration in my opinion what happened to him is unbelievable. They say he lied but other people lie to and now to the thought that that all conjures tonight some trump advisors telling NBC News if the President Indeed decides to pardon Roger Stone. They want him to wait until after the election so he doesn't risk turning off undecided voters in swing states all of it a dramatic departure from the way our government has conducted itself on matters of National Security and justice which the Democrats mostly avoided in last night's debate. Let's bring out our front four tonight and because of tonight's news we're going to extend our conversation here a bit. Peter Baker Chief White House correspondent for the New York Times who spent four years as Moscow bureau chief for The Washington Post Philip Rucker Pulitzer Prize winning White House. Bureau chief for The Washington Post Co author along with this post colleague Carol Lenin of The New York Times bestselling book a very stable Genius Shannon pet EP senior White House reporter for us at NBC News Digital and Frankfurt Lucy former FBI assistant director notably for Counter Intelligence. And Frank gets because of your. Life's work that I'd like to begin with you. You read the journalism out tonight. What is being alleged about the Russian effort and it sure? Reads like this ballgame. Frank Robert Mueller special counsel told us when he testified on the hill. Brian it's happening right now. He said it in his written report after his special counsel inquiry the last actual denied director of National Intelligence that we had Dan Coats. Put it in an annual report. Said this is the new battlefield political social propaganda and cyber warfare and yet the trump administration has done absolutely nothing and now the trump administration reportedly is on notice and the the lawmakers that we put in office are on notice. They can no longer use the defense that they use previously. You didn't tell the president he didn't know why did you start an investigation without telling him that defense is gone and also my position is there's likely federal being broken here how well we indicted a couple of dozen. Russians for doing the interference in two thousand sixteen. There's crimes being committed their social media. Fraud cyberfraud hacking. Something is going on to aid. The Democratic primaries reportedly and so if lawmakers and the president do nothing about it having been on notice they are essentially aiding and abetting Russia. It's time for them to step up and do something Peter Breaker. Here's a couple more breathtaking quotes from your newspaper. The Russians have made more creative use of facebook and other social media rather than impersonating Americans as they did in two thousand sixteen. Russian operatives are working to get Americans to repeat this information to get around social media companies rules that prohibit inauthentic speech the official said and the Russians are working from servers located in the United States rather than abroad knowing that American intelligence agencies are prohibited from operating inside the country the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security can with aid from the intelligence agencies. Peter do you have any evidence that Washington has as a community absorbed the clear and present danger to our next presidential election and forgive the snark. How will we know when they do? Well what's striking about? It is that rather than being seen as a threat to national security seen as yet another partisan issue. This intelligence is warning this concern about what's happening from an exterior any is filtered through the political battles that we have been so engaged in these last three years rather than coming together. The two parties are seeing it through the lens of who gets an advantage. President trump complain about this being briefed the house because he thought that the Democrats would weaponize it. That's the term he used weaponize it and of course. Republicans on the hill. Who heard this breathing? Some of them questioned the authenticity of it. Saying that in fact that perhaps it was over rotter overstretched in fact that this is not what's really going on and that's a real problem for a country to respond to an external threat when its internal divisions are so stark. That can't even agree on what that threat is Shannon petty piece. The word acting is back in the news. It's the now first word in every big job title. Imagine how site. The Germans are tonight most prosperous economy in Europe to learn that our ambassador to Germany is going to be spending his free time as acting deny in charge of our overseeing our seventeen intelligence agencies so likely not for long at least that's what our reporting is indicating that the administration is actively looking to try and find someone to be a permanent nominee and they could have a nominee that they can send over to the Senate within days but of course we have heard this again for example Homeland Security has an acting director of Homeland Security and it was months ago that administration officials were telling me that they were just days away from getting a permanent nominee that could give to the Senate But one thing the White House is trying to do because Rick. Grenell has gotten a lot of criticism because of his lack of experience in the intelligence community. They are trying to send out a message there that this is only something temporary. Were still trying to look for someone on a permanent basis and there is a sense that we've gotten That and now the reporting from a from from my colleagues at NBC and from The Washington. Post The New York Times that this departure of Maguire the previous acting DNA was expedited a bit because of this Oval Office briefing which could mean that. The White House was caught a bit flat footed trying to find someone to replace him. Because of course as my colleagues are reporting this briefing that was given to the members of Congress Sunday net pushed McGuire out sooner than expected so I will see. We're being told within days but we've heard a lot of things are happening within days and Phil Rucker of course as part of your huge body of reporting on this president people have borrowed from the Catholic Church to use the term original sin. And what they mean. Is this angry reaction. Were reporting on again tonight. The president lashed out at the hint. The whiff of a story and its dissemination that may speak to any sort of illegitimacy about his election or illegitimacy about a hoped for in his case. Second-term Brian the issue of Russian interference has haunted donald trump since before he even took office it was during his transition after the two thousand sixteen election When he really retaliated against the intelligence community for the assessments the conclusion of all the US intelligence agencies that Russia had in fact interfered illegally in two thousand sixteen election and that they had done so to try to help boost. Trump's candidacy trump felt that that finding that assessment from the Intelligence Community Somehow de legitimizing his election or threatened to do so Was a knock against him was a sign that maybe he didn't win entirely based on his own charisma and his own strengths as a candidate Which he has believed and so he refused to believe that intelligence conclusion he He was asked repeatedly in the early months of his presidency. if he would acknowledge affirm what his own Intel agencies said an and he would never really fully do so and then we of course remember that summit he had with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki Finland Where he he took the Russian president at his word a very strong denial as trump put it That Russia had interfered in the election. And so this issue has dogged trump. It's haunted him and to this day. He is still trying to rewrite that historical narrative about the two thousand sixteen election even as we now learned that Russia's actively trying to interfere in the two thousand twenty election again as we set our front four have all gladly agreed to stay with us. We'll get in a break here and continue our conversation and when we do more on this evening's breaking news including a look back at Republican reaction the last time the Russians dipped into our presidential election. Plus we'll talk to the former lead prosecutor on the Russia investigation and get his take tonight and then later to veteran political reporters on where this twenty twenty race stands on this day after the bloodbath in Las Vegas as the eleventh hour is just getting started on this consequential Thursday night. Welcome BACK THE NEW YORK. Times reporting that trump's allies on the house Intel Committee his fellow Republicans challenged intelligence officials conclusions. That Russia is already right now again. Interfering and our presidential election this time with the aim of helping Donald trump the times reports republicans argued with straight faces trump has been rough on Russia and strengthened European Security. You may remember that. Intelligence officials also pushed back from. Republicans back in two thousand sixteen in his book the apprentice Washington Post Reporter. Greg Miller writes that before the two thousand sixteen election and this was an incredible scene then. Cia Director John Brennan briefed Mitch McConnell about Russia's efforts to help Donald Trump Miller wrote it this way as Brennan moved through his talking points the Kentucky senator expressed no alarm about what Russia might be doing in the US election and instead accused the CIA director of playing politics. You're trying to screw the Republican candidate. Mcconnell said on that note back with US tonight Peter Baker Philip Brooker Shannon Petty Peace and Frank Figliuzzi and Frank Again. A nation turns. Its lonely is to you. We have some really good people among our viewership. They work hard play by the rules. Love their country when they go to vote just the once unless they're caucus-goers Iowa or Nevada. They like to thank. That's going to count that there won't be any shenanigans. They like to think that this is their act and there's alone who they see about this news. We are repeating tonight and how overwhelming and depressing. It is the clearly the answers are not gonNA come from Washington on this from this administration. The insole agencies are going to do everything they can but they have handcuffs on because of this administration so it has to come. The solutions have to come locally. Brian what I tell people when I speak to them in groups or one on one is you need to demand answers from your local registered voters. Your State County initial registered voters are going to be paper backups or not or are we relying entirely on four private companies that make all the machinery for voting in this country with one company holding a sixty percent market share of all voting equipment. We need paper backup those private companies that make that equipment you know. They they tell you when you buy their equipment. We have great stuff but you should really use a paper backup so demands and get the answers you need. Call Your elected. Representatives write them. The answers are GONNA come locally on this but you know what we're on notice now after nine eleven we had terrible terrorism attack and tragedy and it was a whole of government approach instituted an entire agency. Dhs We had a color coded system to warn us of the threat risk. That was coming. We're at that high threat risk right now but we don't have that whole of government approach it has to happen with us and at the local level. That's useful frank and thank you Peter. Baker Mr Figliuzzi says nothing casually and he just dismissed all of Washington DC as a possible solution in this. Let's think about the kind of centrist national security as we used to call them. Republicans like Blunt Portman like Collins. Are you expecting anything from them? Will tonight be any different for them. Having read this journalism then yesterday was then tomorrow will be well. That's a great question. Look you know. The Republicans of course have been in this very awkward position in which their traditional skepticism of Russia. Something that has been a foundation of the party going back. Decades has been challenged by the leader of their party or the leader of their party. Of course Has Spoken of Putin in a very friendly terms and a narrow challenge him in a personal way whenever the two of them together. Now president trump will tell you he has a very tough policy on Russia and it is true. The administration has taken a number of actions that would be considered be tough on Russia including sanctions including expelling diplomats and so forth arming the Ukrainians But the message comes from the top and the top has always said this president has always said that. He wants to be friends with Vladimir Putin and he's always found ways of giving Barracuda the great the greatest credit and deference when issues of dispute come up the Republicans have largely gone along with this but not always they have at times stood up to him and said no. This is not right. They pass sanctions in two thousand seventeen over president. Trump's threatened to veto it against Russia. They have at times told the president that they think that he needs to be a little tougher on Russia. But I don't know they're gonNA break with him in a very public way after this what you may hear them say expressions of concern about interference in the election by anybody but they won't target the president for not standing up enough at this point. I think that that's something that Is Not where the party is right now. Shannon petty peace. Let's talk about the Paul. This will now cast as it was designed to do over the entire political season. We will cover on this network and from the studio. I can't tonight give you the results of Iowa. Wish I could. We don't have them no one saying it's Russia just some form of American incompetence. The Democrats say they may give us same day results from Nevada and then we get into really meaningful primaries and in the Times reporting they say the Russians are going to try to muck up the Democratic primary season. So talk about the Paul. This will cast well. I mean to your point. We are certainly capable of messing up meddle in our own elections without any help from the Russians. But it's this interesting irony here. Where a president trump was worried that Democrats would use this information about Russia trying to assist him in his reelection bid to hurt him and yet what he has done is assisted. Democrats in that effort by essentially firing or pushing out his director of National Intelligence over at a briefing on this to make it look like he's trying to hide intelligence and cover up intelligence and and dampen down any possibility that Russia could interfere in the twenty twenty elections of the president's really only exacerbating the negative perception that this brings from his actions like we have seen him do throughout his administration. So you're not helping himself in this situation and then yes looking to the Democratic field because one of the warnings that trump's advisors have given him. I know over the years is well. Maybe they helped you the Russians in two thousand sixteen but they might not always be on your side and maybe they're going to meddle in things in the way you don't want so if there was some disinformation campaign out there by the Democrats that could put up a nominee. That wouldn't necessarily be the person. The trump campaign would like to face off against so that's the broader threat and all the different threads that this administration needs to be thinking about and Phil Rucker. Finally the Roger Stone's sentencing today. The federal judge in the case spoke forcefully and strongly to the defendant but then we heard from the president again in your vast body of reporting on this president. How should we take the words he says in public when we're wondering what the outcome might be in this case a potential pardon? Yeah well the the state of play at this hour Bryan is wait and see. It appears that the president and he's admitted as much as very open to issuing part in for Roger Stone who he considers a longtime friend Political supporter his former. Strategist for many years. And he believes stone was wronged By the What the president likes to call the deep state conspiracy against him in this Russia in Russia investigation? We should keep in mind. That stone was actually convicted Guilty by a jury of his peers. So this is not he. He's not you know being sentenced to prison by any intelligence officials That said the president is considering the part and he wants to wait a little bit until this process unfolds. We need to wait for the judge To to do a couple other actions before so and actually spends his first night in jail and I think well we'll see at that point whether the president's going to issue a pardon but he's certainly seems willing to do so and if he did announce it tomorrow morning it would not surprise anybody and while we still have you thanks to journalists. Zeke Miller and Maggie Haberman for passing along presidential pool reporter Katie Rogers. Tonight trump says representative Doug Collins is under consideration to be as nominee as permanent director of National Intelligence. Zeke Miller ads. If this happened it would avoid a bitter primary in the Georgia Senate race and so it goes our thanks again on. This consequential Thursday night to Peter Baker to Philip Rucker to Shannon petty piece to Frank Figliuzzi. Coming up for us after another break. The former lead prosecutor in the muller effort response to tonight's breaking news that Russia is at it again. Is this In your investigation. You think that this was a single attempt by the Russians to get involved in our election. Did you find evidence to suggest they'll try to again attempt to they're doing it as we sit here. We might listen to him back then and back with us. Tonight is the man who was among his lead prosecutors doing their Russia investigation working under Bob. Muller he is these days a distinguished senior fellow at the Nyu School of law. We welcome Andrew Weissmann back to the studio. I have to ask you about tonight's lead story. It is beyond disheartening. They're already in the game. Virtually unfettered with the added advantage of screwing with the election Arcadia of the Democratic primaries. As I ask Frank Figliuzzi. Who Do we see about this? And why isn't this ball game so it is something that we've known a lot about and I think the main issue is how the country is going to react to this. It at some point. People need to react to this as citizens and not as partisans I lived in. You lived through nine eleven. We witnessed the World Trade Center being attacked in the Pentagon being attacked and no one sat there and said is it hurting. Democrats or Republicans. We react to it because it was a foreign adversary who attacked our country. We're we're under attack now by the way this is not the Robert Muller report that says so this is a Senate Intel report. That was bipartisan. And at some point people have to not just say who is it helping or hurting whether it's helping or hurting a Democrat or Republican because it's hurting our country so I think that's the fundamental issue is that people have to not look at this through a partisan lens anymore than you would have thought of nine eleven as a partisan attack or Pearl Harbor for that matter. What could we have been doing in your view and knowing the insides of this as you do that? We clearly haven't been doing so there are two indictments that were brought by the special counsel's office that lay out in considerable detail how the Russians hacked and did something called active measures and that gives a roadmap for ways in which we know that the Russians will act and has acted and part of that involves the Intel community and. There are certain things that you wouldn't discuss on public. Tv because you don't want your adversaries know how you're going to work. Their activities and part of it deals with things that involve our tech companies and really making sure that companies like Google and facebook and Yahoo are working with the government to make sure that they are not unwittingly being used to attack our country. If formidable federal judge spoke some forceful words in a courtroom today in sentencing Roger Stone in reporting it we get to the last sentence and that is the ongoing question slash likelihood of a pardon from the president of her words today would survive a presidential. Pardon so I think there's a lot that she said. I think one of the things that I took away was that she really took on the issue that this was a political prosecution. And she said you know. This defendant was not prosecuted because he supported the president. This is a defendant who was prosecuted because he was covering up for the president and I think that does make it harder for. Somebody's thinking of pardoning somebody I think that most Americans like to think that the pardon power is something that's going to be used to promote equal justice and that the people who get that pardon are the most deserving people not people who have the best to access to the president. I think that's just a question of equality before the law so I think that that's something that I think her words. Hopefully we'll have some effect. You've made the positive decision to spend a good deal of your professional life working for Uncle Sam. The as we used to say the home team. Yes how's your outlook these days? I thought one thing that was really interesting today for the Department of Justice. Which obviously there's it's been very hard for a lot of us but I think one thing that was fascinating today is at the career prosecutor who is assigned to stand up in court after the four prosecutors withdrew or resigned. Actually when push came to shove was asked by the judge. What is your position on a whole variety of issues? Do you support the bar memo? That went in or do you the original meadow and time after time he said. Oh No I support the original memo the one that was withdrawn actually stated the law and the FACS correctly. So Kudos to him. When directly asked by the judge over and over again? Was there anything wrong that those career people did he stood up for them? And you're west. Thank you very much for spending time with us again. Coming up for us. Twenty four hours now post-debate one candidate's campaign has more than five million dollars richer almost enough to pay for the broken bones on stage last night when we come back. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on. My podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking. With the Hilarious and brilliant writer Daniel lavery about his new book about life as a trans man growing up and eventual Household and the thing that I was so grateful to all these trans people in my life for was this like. We have all tried this. No one will ever be able to tell you to your satisfaction. If you are or you aren't you can try to chase that dragon but there will not be that moment so you can investigate these questions further. You can consider the options that are available to you. You don't have to do anything if not doing something becomes unbearable to. You can try something but it really is. You will have to be the person who makes that. Call this week on. Why is this happening search for? Why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe? Hi Everyone. It's Chris Matthews this week on my podcast so you want to be president. I talk with Pulitzer Prize. Winning historian Jon Meacham and former Merlin Congresswoman Donna Edwards about winning campaigns. That make on the spot calls that put candidates on the right side of history. Search for see I WANNA BE PRESIDENT. Wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. This is the guy who's now dropped four hundred million dollars to buy that spot on the stage and whose basic argument is that he should be president because he can spend another four hundred million dollars. It is that's what democracy is about. Then we're in real trouble. Elizabeth Warren says on the upside. Her campaign has raised over five million dollars. Just since last night's debate with Bloomberg among others back with US tonight Robert Costa National Political reporter for the Washington Post Moderator of Washington. Week on PBS. And Aaron Hanes is here with us in our New York studio ten year veteran of the Associated Press editor at large for the nineteenth a nonprofit nonpartisan newsroom focused on gender politics and policy that launches this summer. So happy to have you. I'd like to begin with this question. How did last night in your view change this race if at all? I think we've seen it pay off for Elizabeth Warren. Quite literally right. I mean she's raised five million dollars because she came out within the first two minutes. You saw that handled by Nano Four. She was taking a straight to Mike Bloomberg but it wasn't just him. It was every single candidate on the stage. She wanted to make the case to her supporters. Who frankly she's been telling on the campaign trail that she was a fighter and last night she went from her sister to pugilist on that stage and I think it really worked out for her Robert. Costa the under side of that is blue on blue friendly. Fire two hours of it on a day where thanks to your newspaper in. The New York Times. We have journalism tonight. Reminding everyone of the center challenge that the the Democrats Face Democrats look at what happened in two thousand eighteen in the midterm elections and they saw suburban gains across the map. And they're hoping that if it's Mayor Bloomberg or Senator Warren or Senator Klobuchar Mayor Buddha judge the democratic establishment types in my source my notebook. They say that's the way reelection but the sanders allies say he's leading the polls right now and if he can gather together a populist movement across country. He's the one that's the divide and that's the question that hasn't really been answered by these debates in this Democratic primary process. What's the real path as you say to answer the ultimate question for them how to be president trump? Let's put up. The MONMOUTH poll numbers. That have to do with California monmouth. Of course a great New Jersey name of focusing all the way west to California and Aaron. There's you know there's Sanders at twenty four the Non Sanders fans in the party. Point to the middle numbers as being the true core of the party. Where do you come out? Do you just look at a number. Like that. And say Bernie's running away with it in California period stop. No candidate has run away with any of these contests so far right. We haven't had any decisive victories in any of these early states yet but I think that what does matter. Uc's you see folks bunched up the number that I look at its undecided voters because every time but I'm on the ground there is just such a significant number of people who are still undecided right up until the eleventh hour you know they are going into the ballot box making a choice which for as long as those of us who are obsessed with this have been paying attention to this election. I think that we're surprised that people maybe don't have their minds made up yet about a candidate but I think that there is so much kind of anxiety Especially among Democrats about. Who is the best candidate You know who is rep position to beat President Trump November? They want to make the right decision. And sometimes the fact that they've still have so many candidates in the race it paralyzes him. You know to actually make a decision so you know while I think that Senator Sanders certainly has momentum. I mean after winning these early contests. He's looking very strong headed into Nevada this weekend and we'll probably do well in South Carolina. We have to say that he is the current front runner. But but with out. These decisive victories winning. You know nobody's one by more than thirty percent in any of these contests yet and so without that I still think it is. This race is very much up for grabs and Robert Costa half a dozen Democrats on stage last night at this stage of the game. They're allowed to be in it for themselves. They're all in it for themselves. Knowing it's survivor one person ultimately gets to go forward Does the field in your view narrow after Nevada? And if not certainly do you think it'll narrow? After South Carolina South Carolina is essentially coupled with Super Tuesday in early March which is just a few days after South Carolina on February twenty-ninth and see in South Carolina a reckoning for former vice president Joe Biden. And he's been leading polls there all year. His team believes that could give him a bounce into Super Tuesday and let him assert himself as the moderate who could take on sanders for the long haul but if he does not perform well in South Carolina that gives an enormous opening to Senator Warren Mayor Buddha judge or Mayor Bloomberg to come into Super Tuesday. Fourteen states and say vice. President Biden didn't win over many African American voters in the way he wanted to in South Carolina and as much as California's the prize for many of these contenders on Super Tuesday. It's also states like Arkansas and North Carolina and Alabama. Were you also had like South Carolina? A majority African American voters in the Democratic Electorate. And that's GonNa be the test that's going to win this race down an almost every source I talked to in these campaigns. Believe this race likely becomes a two person or three person race by early March. I always say campaigns run on twitter catering and jet fuel. The third of those jet fuel seems to get extra expensive after Super Tuesday. Our thanks to our two friends to earn. Hanes for being here with us in the studio and Robert Costa from Washington. Thank you. We'll be seeing a lot of you as the campaign goes on coming up the revealing new profile of the president of the nation's first president that guy from a decidedly different angle. Not Unlike this picture this is what George Washington warned about when he said farewell after leaving the presidency he warned about foreign interference and he warned about the rise of factions or parties. That would support nate. The national interest partisan interest. Few people are better. Read in American history and Steve Schmidt said that on this network just tonight. Here's what George Washington had to say back in seventeen ninety six and we quote. The spirit of party opens the door to foreign influence and corruption. Which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of Party passions? He goes on to warn ambitious and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government our next guest has been digging deep into the founders fears of a decaying democracy historian. Alexis Co is the author of and I don't get this reference. You Never Forget your first a biography of George Washington. It's a great pleasure to have you. There is a military industrial complex in the business of history-making that sprung up around George Washington of which you are not a part. Tell the good people watching how you differ and go ahead and warn them what they're GONNA learn about. Gw The man not the bridge when they buy your book. I didn't set out to write a biography on George Washington. I'm a political historian and I usually read two or three biographies conversation at the end. I have a great understanding of the man as has been our presidential history as far with Washington. I didn't feel like I understood him. At the end everyone would start out and say oh. He's two marble to be real. I'm going to humbly endeavour to come out and then proceed in the exact same manner and a part of it was there was a veneration a reverence for the subject and there was also a defensiveness and it seems to go through stages taking boxes and when. I checked the primary sources You know sort of check a lot of claims that seem sort of Hanky to me. I found that they simply didn't exist or misinterpreted or just things that people were repeating over and over again over the years. They were citing secondary sources. And so when I want to write a biography on our founder and to join this very crowded bookshelf. I sort of did away with everything that I knew in just tried to open my eyes to his entire world and what concerns him. And that's what I feel like. I stayed really close to on a daily basis. What was George Washington thinking about writing about in his letters? Not what I want him to be doing. But what is he really looking at you along the way? Share your homework you along. The way will stop and say to the viewer in effect. This is where this account will differ from the Lion Ization Industry. One of my favorite quotes many favor. Washington's most iconic image his rigid and gloomy face on the one dollar bill but most prefer a painting that shows his whole body because his thighs drive them while the firemen as I came to think of these kinds of biographers over the years are a decidedly size matters crowd and it does matter that his biographers have been white. And male almost exclusively. I'm the first woman historian in over one hundred years and the third woman in some total journalist and a novelist wrote about him before and it just simply shows you know if they have talked about a woman's thighs we would be up in arms and I think we need to apply those rules to everyone. It seemed really odd that they spent so much time on his body if he wasn't furthering our understanding of Washington breaking him out of this marble mold and so the thighs were sort of odd. Just the general performance of his body. I don't get me wrong. His body was incredible but what it went through and what he made his body door. That's what I'm interested in I. His thighs are nice. But you know so. We're Hamilton. Give people just a whiff the idea of what the death scene is like. If you're not familiar with American history and what passed for medicine in that era. Here's a hint. There's nothing good bleeding or a blistering can't fix the worst thing that could happen to you in early America. If you're sick is for them to call a doctor. The person was usually not exclusively a doctor. They did other things. Several doctors were called. But the most immediate person was an overseer and this is also Washington's I don't want to say it's his fault but it's sort of peak Washington because they want to bleed him and he insists that he should be blood more he can take it over and over again and just everyone does the worst things to him molasses so that he practically chokes they give him dire radic. Spanish flies. You name it. They did it to found out how that ended of. This is a challenge to all the Romantics about American history watching tonight and I think that's what the author intended to the Historian and author Alexis Co our. Thanks again. The book is called. And I don't get the reference you never forget your first. Thanks very much for joining us. Appreciate a coming up. Move OVER CISCO MOVE OVER EGYPT Ebert. I'll get it right. We'll explain when we come back. It's about that guy last thing before we go tonight. Donald trump has come out against foreign influence at least when it comes to the Academy Awards. This is from his rally tonight. Let's just say he wasn't a fan of parasite or Brad Pitt. It turns out by the way. How bad the Academy Awards this year and the winner is a movie from South Korea. What the Hell was that all? We got enough problems. South Korea with trade top of it. They give him the best movie of the year. It was that good. I don't know I'm looking for like let's get gone with the wind. Can we get gone with the wind back sunset boulevard off so many great movies? The winner is from South Korea. I thought was best foreign best foreign movie. No who is the? Did this ever happened before. And then you have Brad Pitt. I was never a big fan of his. He got upset. Little Wise Guys Wise Guy. He's a little wiseguy. The distributor of parasite the superb South Korean film with subtitles which won for best picture. And then some responded to trump's attack with this understandable he can't read that's broadcast on this Thursday night. Thank you so much for being here with us. Good night from our NBC News headquarters here in New York. We eat to live but food is so much more than that. I'm Andrew Zimmer chef world traveler and host of a new series on MSNBC. Join me as I explore our country looking at the biggest social and political questions of the day through the Lens of food this week see how climate change is impacting. The food on our plates from fields to fisheries. Our climate is in crisis. How is the climate crisis affecting the food? We eat find out on the next episode of what's eating America Sunday at nine pm Eastern only on MSNBC.

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Day 1,130: Coronavirus fears tank markets but Trump says everything's under control

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Day 1,130: Coronavirus fears tank markets but Trump says everything's under control

"With the president in India the Dow has its biggest drop in two years. And it's because of the corona virus which the President says is under control here while saying he sees opportunity in the stock market. He's also saying don't believe what the intelligence community is warning about. Russians attacking our elections unless it's dependent on Bernie Sanders plus the White House. National Security Adviser goes into campaign attack mode and a startling interview and Bernie gets a bounce out of Vegas. Do his rivals make him? The target and tomorrow night's debate which will be the first with two billionaires on the stage as the eleventh hour gets underway on this Monday night. Well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day. Eleven hundred thirty one of the trump administration two hundred fifty three days to go until our twenty two thousand presidential election and today while overseas the was confronted with a new political risk to others. It's a financial risk to still others. It's a health risk as US and global markets are taking a hit with selloffs continuing an Asian markets as they open their Tuesday morning earlier today. The Dow closed down more than a thousand points largest drop in two years on fears over the impact of the corona virus. The number of reported infections continues to grow tens of thousands of cases now in China that we know of and new signs of rapidly spreading outbreaks and other countries about half hour after. Us markets closed today. The traveling president posted this quote. The Corona virus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone. And all relevant countries CD and World Health have been working very hard very smart stock market. Starting to look very good to me. Robert Costa of The Washington Post will join us in just a moment tonight. He reports this quote. The trump administration's disjointed handling of the outbreak has faced mounting criticism. As the president's allies of scrambled to take preventative steps while seeking to reassure the public times struggling to explain their decisions and offer a consistent message tomorrow morning the full Senate is scheduled to get a classified briefing on the virus from Homeland Security Public Health Officials State Department the intelligence community and the like so it was concerning today to see Ken. Kuch Anneli the acting Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security. Ask his twitter followers if he was doing something wrong if it was just him why he couldn't see the maps of the spread of the virus on the Johns Hopkins website. Mr Coochie Anneli. A fervent and vocal trump supporter is on the White House. Corona Virus Taskforce Politico reporting. That very same. White House is going to ask for nearly two billion in emergency funding for the corona virus president. Meanwhile is on day two of his thirty six hour trip to India. His Monday started with a campaign style. Rally at the world's largest cricket stadium visit follows reports that intelligence officials had indeed brief lawmakers about Russian attempts to interfere in our next election and that their efforts are aimed at helping both trump and Bernie sanders as he left the White House. Yesterday trump tried to cast doubt wall assigning blame. Nobody said it. I read where Russia's helping Bernie Sanders. Nobody said it to be at all. Nobody freaks me about that at all. They leaked it Adam. Schiff and his group they leaked to the papers as as usual investigate Adam Schiff for leaking that information they don't want Bernie Sanders representative it. Sounds like his sixteen all over again but verdy says trump's national security advisor was also asked about Russian interference. And as you listen to his response again please remember this. Is the National Security Advisor? The White House was briefed on February fourteenth. Where you not in that briefing when the president was informed. Well there's no briefing that I received that the presence received that says that President Putin is doing anything to try and influence the elections in favor of president trump. We just haven't seen that intelligence. Are you denying that that is happening? No no what. Look what I've heard from the FBI. What I've heard is that That Russia would like Bernie Sanders to to win the Democrat nomination. They'd probably like him to be president understandably because he wants to spend money on social programs and probably would have to take it out of the military so that would make sense. New York Times puts it this way in the fourth year of his presidency and in his fourth national security adviser. Mr Trump has finally gotten what he wants a loyalist who enables his ideas. Axios reporting the effort to read. The government of those considered disloyal to trump has been going on now for some eighteen months quietly and that quote a well-connected network of conservative activists with close ties to trump and top administration. Officials is quietly helping develop these never trump slash pro-trump less members of this network include. Ginny Thomas the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas on the twenty twenty front. We are entering a critical eight day period now tomorrow night Biden Bloomberg Buddha Judge Sanders. Warren Klobuchar Steinmeier will all debate in South Carolina Saturday. The South Carolina primary seventy two hours later comes super Tuesday. Another way of putting it this the last debate before Super Tuesday sanders coming off a big win at the Nevada caucuses right now leading with the most delegates front runner. Status of course brings a whole new world of scrutiny. That includes his sit down interview with sixty minutes where he seemed to try to distance himself from his own rhetoric. A lot of voters are voting for candidates who aren't calling for Medicare for all who aren't calling for revolution. Is everybody really wanting a revolution like you know? Let's go easy on the word raw political revolution. You know. We're we're trying to follow in the fear. Is You know I don't want to overstate. Sanders is also hearing criticism about what he had to say about Fidel Castro with very opposed to the authoritarian nature of Cuba. But you know it's unfair to simply say everything is bad. You know when Fidel Castro came into office. You know what he did. He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing. Even though Fidel Castro did it as you can imagine the reaction of Congressional Democrats in South Florida was instant and Sharp. I represent thousands of Cuban American families that have fled the brutal dictatorship under the sewerage. Those comments are extremely hurtful to so many people here in my area and very offensive. There's a saying here in south Florida by many Cubans that they say you know. Castro may have given US healthcare and education. But he didn't give us breakfast lunch or dinner here for our leadoff discussion on a Monday night. As we begin a new week Ashley Parker Pulitzer Prize winning White House. Reporter for The Washington Post Robert Costa National Political reporter for the Post and moderator of Washington. Week on PBS and Shannon Petty piece veteran journalist and senior White House reporter for us at NBC News Digital. Good evening. And welcome to you all Ashley I'd like to go back up and start with the coup Cinelli story because that gets us to something wider. He is a vocal loyalist of the president on his platform when he was affiliated with CNN. But whatever side. The president was on an argument. Cancun in La would take but how can hiring loyalists and just loyalists cost you when a rigorous response to a real crisis is what's called for it can cost you a lot in. That's one of the things. The administration is grappling with now. Which is that. The president has hollowed out a number of these agencies especially the scientific community so there's not necessarily all the people you would want in place to begin with and not just only hiring loyalists but I also wanna add the president's rhetoric. This is a president who often states the truth as he wishes it to be. Not as it actually is and that is gradations of problematic in. It's one thing to say something from a rally stage that he's done the biggest tax cut in history or to inflate the size of his crowds. It's quite another to make statements There's nothing to worry about with the corona virus when in fact not everyone agrees with that assessment Robert Costa on the Corona Violence Virus. What do you think is the level of the president's real concern and what's been the target of most of his concern thus far there is significant concern not only in terms of the management and a response within this administration privately at the moment but also about the political consequences of the stock market? Drop on the phone tonight just a few hours ago with Larry. Cudlow the White House economic adviser. Peter Navarro the White House Trade Advisor and other White House officials and top. Gop donors paying close attention to this because they see the stock market. The Dow Jones Industrial Average being around twenty eight thousand going all the way up to twenty nine thousand is central to the argument. They're making a suburban voters. This fall but more important right now for them is making sure they're getting information from China. But this is not been a coordinated response at every level and there are many challenges within the administration and with Global Partners Shannon Petty Peas Veer us into hard knuckle politics if you would the White House reaction what they make of the current state of the Democratic race so it seems that there's an increasing acknowledgement that Bernie Sanders could likely be the nominee. I mean I think all of us are sort of seeing that path and certainly within trump world there's assessment where a lot of people are starting to game plan and talk about a scenario where you are facing a sanders dominy and while there has been a lot of salivating among Republicans and the president's allies. About what that could mean because they see sanders policies as so far to the left that they could alienate those moderate suburban voters female voters. There were so crucial in the last election. There is definitely a be careful. What you wish for tone and vibe that you get when you talk to people about Sanders. Because they've for all of his policy flaws they see a lot of personal strengths in him and you know that comes with authenticity ability to build a base having clear brand and a clear message where you know where he stands and he got so much criticism for that sixty minutes interview but in a way it has him continuing to stand by what he believes in what he has stood for. And if you look at trump as a model that is something that voters have shown they. They appreciate and value in a candidate is you might not always agree with them. But at least you know what they stand for and at least they have a core set of ideals that they follow so The there is some nervousness and a bit of a wild card here. Definitely it's not gonNA look like your two thousand sixteen race if you have a Bernie Sanders as a Democratic nominee backup to you Robert Costa forgetting about the Republicans for one moment among the Democrats. You have on speed dial in your phone. How are they reacting to this dramatic rise of Bernie Sanders? There's a growing realization within the Democratic Party. We wrote about it with Phil Rucker. On today's front page that Senator. Sanders represents an ascendant left wing movement. That could move in the coming weeks and months toward a takeover of the Democratic Party. A REVOLT AGAINST THE CENTRISTS. That donors in the party who have long controlled power and had a big influence over the nominees sanders in the political wilderness for decades. Going back to his days in Burlington now finds himself at this late stage in his career as a possible standard bearer for a party that has been rapidly changing moving more toward issues like climate change healthcare access and being okay with phrases like Democratic Socialism. Instead of being averse Ashley Parker backup to the what. We frame narrowly as the Cancun a question earlier in the interview. But more broadly what we keep hearing and reading about. It's been called to use the most dramatic term this purge in the trump administration. Aren't there instances where forget about the so-called Deep State. Forget about buried potential never-trumpers deepen the Department of Commerce or interior? It's the people with the biggest titles closest to the president who have subverted his will and deflected at times correct absolutely and that was especially true early on in the administration. And I've been making calls about this to use your word purge all day and one thing that people said In defending the president. Was that some of these changes. They will argue should have been done very early on in the administration in a transition. If the trump transition team you know first one hundred days had been like any of his predecessors Democratic or Republican it would have been an organized non chaotic effort in which they generally hired highly competent people who yes supported the president and supported his policies. That is not an unreasonable thing to ask for. He did not have that especially early on. Especially as you said in some of those top positions so this is a correction for that but the problem for them is both in the timing coming after impeachment coming with a president who feels embolden. It has taken on much more of a being run by the president's former Twenty nine year old body man has taken but towards the tone of a vindictive purge rather than a natural staffing of an administration and they've seen that backlash in bad PR and some frustration internally Shannon. Pity piece actually reminds us that there's a new sheriff in town at the White House Office of personnel another To be tossed on the list of I for this Administration Shannon. The four of us have been around a while. Can you remember a White House sounding a little bit? Like a brokerage house from the president to Larry cudlow both of them saying in effect by on the lows right. Yeah we've talked on Friday. Larry cudlow giving a briefing on the White House Briefing Room when I asked him about corona virus and talking about just in general how this was such a great time to invest in the stock market and You know of course. Maybe that's one thing you can say when you have unemployment or hire some bad economic indicators but we're actually talking about thousands of people dying that's why the stock market is low so essentially looking to make a profit off of the deaths of thousands of people on the potential of thousands of people more but I think the president as we saw with his tweet today saying everything is fine in the US and of course it is at the moment but that is not the problem. The problem is where we're going from here. Is this administration struggling to get their hands around a crisis? That in one of the rare times in the past three years is not a crisis of their own making is not one of the daily crises that the president creates by his actions. This is something completely out of. The hands of this administration is in the hands of the global public health community. It is the hands of the doctors and scientists and biologists out there working on this in the field and so they're going to have to realize and grapple with the fact that they're not going to be able to control this and there's only so much spin they're going to be able to put on this messaging three bylines for our audience to look for Ashley. Parker Robert Costa Shannon Petty Piece. Along with our. Thanks for coming on the broadcast with us as we start a new week and coming up for us. Our next guest says we're entering into a political season of extremes that we've never seen before our country and later the countdown to South Carolina. The next critical test remember. It's only the second primary but still for the still wide field of Democrats hoping to defeat. Donald trump the eleventh hour just getting underway on a Monday night. Do you think that Bernie Sanders is the biggest threat to your president trump? Right now I do think so I would say that the biggest threat to president trump is president trump. What do you mean by that? Well if he's on his game as he was at the state of the Union there's a candidate in the country that can beat them if there is a second choice of than himself it would be Bernie Sanders Bernie. Sanders brings out outside game in a similar fashion. That president trump did in two thousand sixteen interesting moment there with Tim. Scott of South Carolina Senator Bernie Sanders coming off a big win in Nevada. And on Saturday we will come to what is only. Let's remember the second primary of the political season. Let's talk about the state of our politics with us. Now Steve Schmidt a veteran former Republican strategist us since left the Republican Party. But he's here with US tonight. That's all we care about. Let's take them one at a time. Let's start with the Republicans. Start WITH SENATOR. Scott's point the biggest risk to donald trump is donald trump because we just had shannon petty peace with with a straight face as a reporter. Say It's another one of these crises corona virus. That trump didn't start himself. Well Look Tim. Scott is correct. I mean the person that is always created the most powerful for Donald trump politically is is donald trump but since his acquittal by the Senate as he's purging the government of anybody he thinks is disloyal as he is taking his revenge is he is a visceral rating the rule of law in unprecedented fashion. Interfering in criminal cases the Department of Justice his poll numbers are going up and so he is consolidating power at an alarming rate in doing so liberally. Let's talk about the Democrats and as we do. I WanNa play the Clip Bernie. Sanders campaign manager. Came on with Chris Hayes earlier on this network tonight. We'll look at that one of the reasons that I love and fight for Bernie Sanders. There's integrity and honesty. You get with him and what that means is when you ask them a direct question he gives you a direct response comes from his heart from his soul. Tells you exactly what he's thinking right and that means that sometimes you may disagree with his perspective but you know he's he's shooting straight with. He's not playing a political game. So when you ask them about. Hey how about Cuba and the Castro? Oh well he's an authoritarian. He's engaged in human rights abuses however there were some good things that happened in Cuba. We should acknowledge those two. And that's an honest answer and then other people will play political games. And that's why for instance Chris. I think over the course of this campaign. We've benefited from the fact that his stray shooting his integrity. His honesty rises above other people's efforts to try to offer political barbs and try to throw cheap shots in the kitchen sink at him that were tonight and at a CNN town hall and the last hour people to judge just said in effect here. We are as a party. We're talking about Fidel Castro. Indeed and they are and you look at travesty of a debate if you're in the business of wanting to remove Donald Trump from office. The one thing that wasn't talked at all about in that debate was trump or trumpism and so the campaign managers talking about Bernie Sanders Integrity. Is he showing integrity by not releasing his medical records? Is he showing transparency and integrity by not talking about the Price Tag associated with student? Loan Forgiveness Free Pre pre K. daycare for everybody. And there's no price tags on any of this. It's a dishonest progressivism. That's NO DIFFERENT THAN DONALD. Trump's dishonesty talking about the Mexican paid for wall it's all fantasy and so when Bernie Sanders goes out there. He starts talking about well. Here's the good sides of Fidel Castro. I think it's important to understand that there might be a constituency for that in this country but it's a really small one and it's certainly not enough to get you into an electoral college majority to win the White House. And it certainly dooms your chances in Florida. How do you process the fact that tomorrow night? We're going to have seven people on stage. Two of them are billionaires. Two of them look at real double digit poll numbers knowing that money bought those poll numbers not some inner need to have them as our next president. How do we process that well? I think they're two different cases right so first off. Mike Bloomberg was the mayor of New York City for twelve years and by any objective standard. He was one of the most competent successful leaders of large government anywhere in the world over the last quarter century. He was a profoundly successful mayor. I think it's a mistake for Democrats to attack. Somebody like Mike. Bloomberg who grew up in a middle-class circumstance and is a self made man is one of the country's greatest philanthropists and I disagree with him on a number of different issues but if you are invested in progressive causes. It's hard for me to think of anybody who has done more to advance progressivism whether it's on gun issues whether it's on climate then has Mike Bloomberg so the notion that Mike Bloomberg is on that stage somehow illegitimately is not something that I really understand. Tom Steyer has been an activist in American politics. Now for some period of years he has communicated a message. He's gotten the requisite poll numbers to be on the stage. The question will be after the South Carolina primaries. If you have eight moderate Democrats all of whom might have a greater chance of beating Donald Trump and does Bernie Sanders? Will some of those candidates get out of the race to help coalesce support around the strongest? Moderate candidate? Poor the issue right now in the Democratic primaries you cannot make an objective judgement and say Bernie Sanders is going to go down to Donald Trump in the swing states on the basis of poll numbers because the poll numbers. Don't support that in those states. But when you look at Bernie Sanders positions that we should criminalize illegal immigration. That we're going to take health insurance away from one hundred fifty million people who have private health insurance a of other issues the type of rhetoric that you saw him use on sixty minutes talking about Castro. All of these issues come together. In a way that I think objectively with James Carville said is disqualifying for somebody running for president in somebody. Who'S LIKELY TO LOSE TO DONALD TRUMP and I think that's what you're saying. A lot of panic in the democratic electorate in the democratic officeholder class in these days really focused on Steve Schmidt always a pleasure. Thank you for coming up. Trump calls the stock market very good after plunged a thousand points. One of his economic advisors recommending investors. Buy on the dips. We'll take a closer look at the potential national security threat that corona virus presents. When we come back it's been described to me like like a cold except this one will kill you. Yeah that about how you see. The problem is with this new virus. It comes with a mortality of around two to three percent which is extremely high if you concede it as a flu virus if it can impact a fifth of the population test-driven yes as corona virus fears rise around the world the spread of the virus in nations. That are not named China is causing financial markets to plunge the Dow as we reported down over one thousand today three point five percent drop in total volume. Worst in two years. Italy has become the hardest hit country in Europe. Now health officials there have said two hundred twenty nine individuals have been infected. They are reporting seven s South Korea. Health officials there reporting eighty new cases bringing the total there to eight hundred ninety three but China still by far the hardest hit country on the planet over seventy seven thousand cases under management over twenty five hundred deaths again that we know of back with us again tonight. Clint Watts former. Fbi Special Agent author importantly of Messing with the enemy surviving in a social media. World of hackers terrorists Russians and fake news and a distinguished research fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. So Clint explain to your audience. You're not with the. Cbc You're formerly with the FBI. How does the threat of a pandemic intersect with your world and your life's work? Yeah so what's fascinating about how this is played out in recent days is you've had this spread very very quickly. You've seen the reactions that have come out there and I think Italy is a interesting case comparing China. You're seeing grocery stores cleaned out. You're seeing water cleaned out. Think about what our response is. And what a coordinated effort is anytime you're in government and the US government what we're known for is having it coordinated effort with competent leaders who know the task at hand and provide a response plan or a coordinated plan. Would that happen today? I think in this current era where we've seen the White House really go after large budget cuts and large In parts of this terms of our response in terms of our pandemic response when we look at some of the officials that are in charge that are there may be because they are more loyal than competent. Do we trust the information. That's really where I think I I see this in my work is. Do you believe the information is being put out by your government officials? We've had some inaccuracy problems here in recent months and then look across the world. The response Today the way we handled it was through a presidential tweet telling everybody that things are fine and maybe should buy the stock market. I would like some reassurance I think about what's the plan who are the officials that are in charge. And what are we going to do? Imagine Brian if this were to spread to a US city the way it has outside of Milan. What would the response be inside? The United States China for all of its faults in terms of censorship and not getting on this quick enough was able to quickly quarantaine a city. The size of New York was able to build a thousand bed hospital in a week can the US do something like that What would the US economy do? How would we respond? We be resilient in this. I think our model probably a lot more like Italy than it does China in some of these other countries. So I'm really worried about how this how this goes how we do everything from rationing mask and equipment and medical responses and how do we do that triage system because it really only takes one outbreak? We've seen how quickly it's gone both in South Korea Iran and Italy. And just this last week if it hits the United States in this kind of way just a little. Pin-prick toward spreads locally. You'll not just see the market crash. You'RE GONNA see a lot of panic. I think in the United States and Clint more broadly. When you see the national security advisor to the president of the United States say he hasn't been told about Russia and any briefing about this upcoming election and the guy they really want is Bernie in the White House. What does that do I just as a head scratcher I? It's remarkable for my team. A team that works with the Foreign Policy Research Institute and Bryan. You've had US on before. Russia doesn't hide who they won the election. There's lots of over evidence to show that. They do favored trump overall in the election. That they also will prop up or try and support sanders not that the sanders campaign is working with Russia. But they're trained inflate that as a divisive wedge and to set up a basically a populist sorta battle between trump and sanders. It's just frustrating. Because we feel at least I feel like we can't get trusted information oftentimes for the White House or if we do we always have to ask. Is this information only coming out because it's good for the White House sure rush always wants to instill long-term chaos but in any given election the whole point of active measures is to elevate candidates that are supportive of a Russian foreign policy position. Or don't even talk about foreign policy national security to positions of power inside the United States. And so if we're not even able to talk about it. We can't breathe for congressional leaders. We have a DNA who can actually go have a discussion. The White House that I don't know how we can prepare or defend for it. It's really our political leaders. It seems that are the weak point in this entire system. At the moment Clinton Watts always a pleasure often a scary however as it was tonight we appreciate you coming on the broadcast. As always coming up for us what Bernie Sanders unveiled tonight to tamp down his critics. We'll talk to our reporter covering his campaign when we continue your plan for Free College Tuition and Medicare for all seems like a way to excite the democratic base with no real plan to pay for what I wanted to I. I'm going to give this to you. I thought that question might come all right here. It is a this is a list which will be on our website tonight of how we'd pay for every program that we have so that was a moment during the CNN. Townhall event tonight. Let's check in on the traveling sanders campaign and who best to take our questions but one of our NBC News Roy Road Warriors Shaquille Brewster who follows the sanders campaign for us and shack. While we talk I just WANNA show our audience. Something happening pretty darn near on the other side of the world ceremony going on live right now. There's a motive India first lady. There is behind the president. But this is what people like to refer to as ballgame. This is all of it. This is what the argument is about. This is the job he now occupies the trappings that come with. This is the stakes when you run for the presidency. So with that in mind what was on that piece of paper tonight shack that the Sanders campaign was gonna put on their website. How complete was it? Well Brian. I'll tell you the list is out. It's on his website already in going through that list. The thing that struck me is that it's nothing new. These are numbers that we've seen before explaining the cost of ideas that we've heard before what it's a sign of a sign of vulnerability for Senator Sanders as he goes to these states where he frankly hadn't spent as much time as those first three initials states. Look He. Has these big ideas that we talk about. All the time Medicare for all college for all the green new deal. The student debt forgiveness medical debt forgiveness at the end of the day. And what you're starting to see from the other candidates they're questioning wait a second. How much is this GONNA cost? And what are your ideas to pay for it? So what he did was. He plucked all of the pay for is out of his plan. Put them all the paper and handed them to that anchor there and that's a sign that again. He knows this is going to come up on that debate stage tomorrow night and what it is is showing him. It's showing voters that he started about this. He's read it. He knows his plans. And it's presenting it to them in a way that says it's all there for you to see so he can say that essentially to the candidates when big bring it up to him on debate stage tomorrow night he was also asked. Tonight Shack. I noted about this possibility of entering the Democratic convention with the most delegates though shy somewhere south of the the portal through which you get the nomination thousand nine hundred ninety one tattooed on the inside of all of our eyelids I know and this certainly seems like a front where the Bernie forces are willing ready and able to throw down. That's right and we've got a hint of this at the last debate there in Vegas where Chuck Todd Ask. The question of. He asked the question of all the candidates if a candidate gets into the convention with a clear paralysis of the delegates not a majority but the clear advantage. The most delegates out of any candidate should that person be the nominee and you saw all the other candidates on stage. Say Well we'll let the process go out senator. Sanders said No. The person the candidate who has a plurality should be the nominee or the fact that we're having this conversation. I is a sign of shrink for this campaign and it's a sign of concern from other from other candidates. They know that we're going to into this process. Especially once you get past South Carolina. We're going to be hitting California. We're GONNA hit Texas North Carolina. These bigger more delegate rich states where if you look at the current polling Senator Sanders leading in these areas especially after he's won or at least if you look at Iowa o you have to count the popular vote. We has done well in competed. Well in these first three states his campaign feels like they have momentum going into Super Tuesday. So they're looking at this calendar. They're seeing that. The are at the verge of possibly having a delegate lead that's insurmountable and they feel some confidence there that's leading to this conversation by the way how you doing you're holding up okay. I'm doing well doing getting sleep. Everyone we ask a lot of you guys. It's a lot of miles a lot of bad meals very little sleep. Shaquille brewster however is one of our road warriors. So named for a reason. Thank you shack. Appreciate it as always and just ahead for us what to expect tomorrow night with seven people on stage. There's a front runner. There's a couple of billionaires. There's some others under big pressure to do. Well you want to be president. I've watched many candidates run for their party's nomination but only a few knew how to get it or that's microphone. My podcast is about what it takes to get the nomination. Six episodes six timeless themes that separate the few winners many losers. The hope still lives and the Green Shell never die. So you want to be president with Chris Matthews and MSNBC podcast search. Now wherever you're listening and subscribe all six episodes available now she wants to be president. I've watched many candidates for their party's nomination but only a few knew how to get it. I feel your pain. My podcast is about what it takes to get the nomination. Six episodes six timeless themes that separates the few winners from any losers. This campaign was and will remain the great honor of my life. So you want be president with Chris Matthews and MSNBC podcast search now wherever you're listening and subscribe episode six available now. Let's look at some numbers. Nbc News Newspoll in South Carolina. Just out tonight shows Bernie closing in on Joe Biden and South Carolina ahead of Saturday's primary Biden leads by four percent. But please note that's within the polls margin of error. Tom Steyer is polling third at fifteen percent in South Carolina Buddha Judge Warren closure in single digits. Back with us. Aaron Hanes a ten year veteran of the Associated Press now editor at large for the nineteen. Th They nonprofit nonpartisan newsroom focused on gender politics and policy that launches this coming summer so Aaron what are South Carolinians saying about what's going to happen there. What should happen there on Saturday? What Good Evening Brian? What I'm seeing in hearing from voters in South Carolina. It's kind of a pattern. There's been recurring in Iowa New Hampshire and the early states that we've seen so far which is that. Voters are still largely undecided. Here going into Saturday. Early voting has already begun in South Carolina until some voters have cast their ballots but they are making a head versus heart decision. A lot of the older black voters. Obviously we know that black voters are the majority of the Democratic primary electorate. Here a lot of them are saying that they are going with Joe Biden. They feel like they know him. He is somebody who has not had to introduce himself to voters down here because of his relationship with the first black president and vice president and because he has longstanding relationships in South Carolina but there are other candidates especially the younger black voters seemed to be open to certainly Senator Sanders as somebody who has made inroads who has connections with the mini Hughes in South Carolina. Senator Warren is somebody that. I'm hearing some young black women saying that they are open to Raising questions of electability. But saying that she is somebody WHO's ideas. They very much like mayor. Budaj continues to make the case to voters here. But it's unclear whether or not he's going to be able to get traction with them in South Carolina despite all of his efforts. And then of course you have. Tom Star and former mayor Bloomberg who has spent a lot of money Here in the state. I'm seeing ads for Mayor Bloomberg and Tom Star quite a bit all over the place on television billboards radio. You name it and that does seem to be You know at least raising awareness with with voters that they are somebody who voters may be open to thinking that they may be able to go up against president trump in November which is the priority of most of the black voters that I've talked to in the state and let's be honest here about two more things. I don't think we're going to see any tearful news conferences after the vote on Saturday. People bailing out of the race. Because I think all efforts are going to be to crawl if they have two three more days into Super Tuesday. That's point one point two is. I know we're referring to this upcoming debate tomorrow night as the South Carolina Debate. It is the last time we will hear from or see these candidates as a group before. Super Tuesday which is a whole different kettle of fish. That's absolutely true. This is the last debate before Super Tuesday and to your point probably the last time that we that we will see them. Altogether Senator Warren. Obviously it's probably going to still try to make that make that display of her being a fight or something. She shows a lot on the campaign trail but something that I think. A lot of people like they were really seeing from her for the first time With some success on the on the last debate stage Senator Sanders with his front runner status. We'll have to see if he didn't draw a lot of fire last time. A lot of the focus was on mayor Bloomberg so we'll have to see if candidates going after him coming out of his decisive Nevada. Finish To see how that goes. I think that you will definitely see a former vice president biden really trying to make the case once again to black voters not only in South Carolina but to Blackbelt voters in states like Alabama Virginia. Tennessee who are all Super Tuesday ballot and beyond making that case to black voters that he is still the most electable candidate to defeat Donald Trump. And you know you've got those candidates that are pulling kind of lower still like people at Amy Klobuchar Dr Like Thomas Dyer. Who are who are trying to Trying to say that they still have a case to stay in this past. Super Tuesday and beyond. I will say that. Perhaps you will see several of these candidates this weekend on Sunday in Selma Alabama where the country will be marking the fifty fifth anniversary of bloody Sunday. I'm told that a number of candidates are planning to their way to Alabama even as they fan out to the numerous Super Tuesday states to try to to try to increase increase their delegate count in those places a week from today. You GotTa do what you gotTa do. Erin we're thrilled to know that you're down there watching it for us along with US Erin. Hanes always a pleasure. Thank you for coming on and coming up as the New York Times. Put it today. They astor for the moon. She gave it to them a remembrance. When we come back zero K and I feel fine capital turning around last thing before we go tonight. A few words about John Glenn's friendship seven mission and one of the special people took here to get him up there. Katherine Johnson made that remarkable journey possible. And now her own remarkable journey has come to an end. Nbc News correspondent Brahima. Allah has our report. Catherine Johnson's fascination with numbers started early on growing up in West. Virginia I count. Everything can play it when I washed dishes. Callen stem from home to church breaking race and gender barriers in the nineteen sixties. Jim Crow America Johnson helped chart the flight path for America's First Space Mission with Alan Shepherd and when John Glenn was chosen to orbit the earth he insisted Johnson confirmed the computer's calculations done it was right. Charles bolden former head of NASA said a few years ago Johnson was always given the hardest calculations. Surprised you think people were that it was a black woman who was shocked shocked. You gotta remember now. When she walked in the control center she only black in there so quite naturally they thought she was the made for years. She was hardly known outside of NASA. The movie hidden figures NASA Sir Mask did they heard. She was honored at the Academy Awards and given the Presidential Medal of freedom in an interview a few years ago. Johnson was forever humble. You did your job better than anybody. The Best I could when she died today at one hundred and one tributes from NASA and Taraji p Henson who played Johnson in the movie. Wrote because of your hard work little girls everywhere can dream as big as the moon. The woman enchanted by numbers now counted as a true American hero. Rahima Ellis NBC News and this final word from us here the moment tomorrow night. 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Day 830: Trump is suing banks to keep them from complying with House subpoenas the NYT reports

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Day 830: Trump is suing banks to keep them from complying with House subpoenas the NYT reports

"Tonight, according to that ongoing tally by the Washington Post. President Trump hits the ten thousand Marco false statements while in office so far his workday today dominated by Twitter. Phya standoff between the attorney general and Democrats can buy one democrat in particular. Speaking of Joe, Biden, he kicked it off in front of his first presidential rally as twenty twenty candidate accusing Trump directly of using the power of office and rod Rosenstein, hangs up the man who gave us the Muller investigation. The man who spoke of wearing a wire around the president potentially has tonight caused more questions about his motivation by ending his resignation letter with the phrase that pays America. First. As the eleventh hour gets underway on a Monday night. As we start a new week. Good evening. Once again from our NBC news headquarters here in New York day, eight thirty of the Trump administration, and this may be a big shiny distraction. We don't know yet. But of all things tonight. The attorney general is objecting to being questioned by a lawyer at a house hearing later this week he wants to be questioned only by members of the House Judiciary committee Bill bar has threatened to cancel his scheduled appearance at the committee's Thursday hearing scheduled testify before the Senate Judiciary committee on Wednesday, then the house Thursday, so far the committee chairman in the house, Jerry Nadler, democrat of New York is not backing down. It's not up to the Torney general to tell the committee had to conduct his business, or we will decide what the most effective way of asking questions, aren't we? That's our decision is we've told them we expect them to show up on Thursday. And we're going to conduct the inquiries. We've said we would if he doesn't show up on Thursday. We'll have to go to subpoena. The Justice department told NBC news tonight, quote, the attorney general agreed to appear before congress therefore members of congress should be the ones doing the questioning tonight. The New York Times reports Nadler plans to have the full judiciary committee vote Wednesday on whether to have counsel question bar, the committee's top Republican says he doubts the Democrats motives. I think the Democrats are actually wanting this both ways they want appear to be an oversight here, and they wanted to appear to do just good investigation. But really what they're trying to do by adding staff into the equation or adding this extra hour is they're trying to make it look impeachment. Here is about tarnishing the president. That's all I won't try to there's really nothing new here. You may recall the Senate Judiciary committee Republicans used a similar format to question. Christine Blasi four during the Cavanaugh hearings. They brought in and outside lawyer from Arizona committee, lawyers were also famously used during Watergate and Iran-Contra hearings. Former acting solicitor general Neal konczal says that precedent could weaken bars argument, I think he is legally obligated, and we have cabinet secretary after cabinet secretary that testified in all of these circumstances committee staff led these, and so I think if Nadler goes to court he will undoubtedly win. Meanwhile, rod Rosenstein is done just today. He announced may eleventh will be his last day at the Justice department in his resignation letter Rosenstein praise the president who so often criticized him who wants re tweeted an image, depicting, Rosenstein and others jailed for treason, the president who derisively referred to Rosenstein as mister peepers. But also apparently well tonight, according to Rosenstein, farewell letter, and we quote, I am grateful to you for the opportunity to serve for the courtesy and humor you often display in our personal conversations. And for the goals you set in your inaugural address, patriotism unity, safety, education and prosperity because nation exists to serve its citizens. He also wrote the, quote, our elections are more secure, and our citizens are better informed about covert foreign influence efforts and for good measure and to keep people guessing about his ultimate motives, he then ends the letter to Donald Trump with the words America for. I but about that last point we made tonight, the Washington Post reports there's a disconnect between an intelligence community trying to do their job and prepare for Russian interference, which we know is coming in our twenty twenty elections and a White House that appears to be downplaying the risk. One of the authors of the post report will be here to talk about it in just a moment. Tomorrow, Trump will be face to face with democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer at a White House meeting on wait for it infrastructure. The president spent much of today attacking the Democrats newest official twenty twenty candidate Joe Biden, the Washington Post reports Trump's social media posts have helped him surpassed that magic ten thousand Mark in the papers count of ongoing false and misleading claims from the president the safter noon during his first rally as a candidate for his part, Joe Biden of Pennsylvania referred to Trump's credibility. Everybody knows who don't Trump is. We Democrats we independence who had the same view have to choose hope over fear unity over division. Maybe most importantly truth over lies. Which brings us to our leadoff discussion on a Monday night, three of the very best. Ashley Parker Pulitzer prize winning White House reporter for the Washington Post. Robert Costa, national political reporter also with the post and for good measure moderator of Washington week on PBS and Peter Baker the ageless chief White House correspondent for the New York Times. Good evening, folks. And welcome all of you, Peter you get to go first because of a story in your paper tonight that was just handed us before we came on the air broad strokes of it is the president. And his eldest children have filed federal lawsuit against Deutsche Bank and Capital One to prevent those companies from cooperating with subpoenas and coming forth with his financial records. People may ask we know about Deutsche Bank. Why Capital One Capital One is where he has his personal checking account giving new meaning I guess to what's in your wallet. What do you know about this story that can fill in the? Blanks. Yeah. Look, the president has openly said he's going to resist all subpoenas from congress from that House Democrats at the very least, and he's been taking this on multiple fronts last week. He's filed lawsuits like this to prevent his own accountants from responding to congressional subpoenas. Because in fact, he doesn't control those institutions he doesn't decide for them whether they should comply with subpoenas by congress, and those are reluctant, of course, to get on the bad side of congressional subpoena that has legal implications, and it has other implications as well. So he's trying to force the strong, arm and effect. You know, the the issues he's done business with to stick with him as opposed to congress. It's hard to see how a judge rules on that. We haven't seen this kind of thing very often in the past. But the argument that they've made is this is just political well Congress's political, and it seems to me it's hard to to to see a judge saying he's going to step in or she's going to step into political process. And declare something is political that therefore, it's legitimate. But it was the New York Times interview with this president Peter where he used answer the question in the affirmative would it be a red line if they tiptoed into your finances? Correct. The that's right. We were there. I was there for that interview. In fact, in in the middle of two thousand seventeen and the question was if it was all about Roger molar course at the time. Now, we're talking about congress in effect the same kind of scenario in which what happens if investigators go beyond the Russia, collusion, brief what happens if they go beyond the immediate mandate Muller was given to look at what happened in the twenty sixteen election, and he said that wouldn't fat cross a red line, and you kind of see it here. But he's he's acquired much broader red line when it comes to the House Democrats, he saying he won't answer questions or allow people to answer questions or provide documents even on things he already gave or we're already testified to we Robert Muller. He saying that we gave at the office in effect. They if Muller already investigated, why should these House Democrats repeat that effort, it's all political and partisan? I think. He's got an audience of supporters, at least, we're very receptive to that argument. So Ashley Parker you look at tomorrow's White House schedule, and it looks for all the world like a normal White House. He is having a last year's NASCAR champion to the White House. As presidents often. Do they're having an event on infrastructure, which has become kind of a gag line on broadcast like this one except for that. Ashley is there. Any other discernible focus of this administration beyond what we see from the president himself in the story line on social media. Not really I mean, the president. The thing about Twitter is Twitter as a real time sort of insight into what the president is thinking at any given moment. And so yes, the joke is always the infrastructure week goes off the rails. I think there's reason to believe that Chuck in Nancy will be going over there to actually push an infrastructure plan in. It'll be interesting to see what the president does. Of course, we can sort of look at his Twitter feed and see what's top of mind. So there's a world in which he sort of sets aside, all of the combativeness it's going on with House, Democrats and Senate, Democrats, frankly and says, look, this is one of these partisan areas where we could make a deal, and there's another equally if not more likely world in which those topics on social media, his preoccupation with vice president Biden his frustration over immigration, his frustration and also alleged vindication for the Muller probe are what he potentially calls news cameras in and talks to these Democrats about and so everything on social. Media sort of colors what he's thinking in where we should imagine that conversation. Tomorrow will go Bob Costas take on any of it. Take on all of it. And where we right at the top of the broadcast to question this bar disagreement with Democrats could be giant distraction could have every intention of participating in the hearing. Let's come back to that. And come back to the Deutsche Bank story of big development tonight because you have to step back and think about the chess match that's going on between the White House and House Democrats House, Democrats know that secretary Mnuchin is over there at the treasury department in essence defending the president's tax returns from Ritchie Neil, the chairman of the ways and means committee. So how do they go after the president's finances and try to find out more knowing that Robert Mueller did not reveal if anything much at all in his report about the president's finances. They go to the banks, and they're they're trying to pressure Deutsche Bank and others to cooperate in the banks tonight in their statements don't seem to be backing off of working with congress because they want to have that relate. Ship with Capitol Hill. And so this is the president pushing back trying to protect his own financial information. The congress believes they need to learn more about where the president's finances are around the world where he has different ownership stakes, and they're going to continue to try to paint that picture and Maxine Waters, the chair financial services and Adam Schiff chair of intelligence they came out with a very strong statement tonight saying they're not going to back down and Ashley Parker world civilians here, but we all seem to believe that Congress's power in this area is just south of unfettered. Yes. And that is sort of what the president is challenging them on. He is sort of since he took office. He is chipping away all of these checks and balances we traditionally think of how government works, and so he is sort of in a way calling their bluff and saying, you know, you can subpoena us, and we're going to fight that I believe, and again, I'm not a lawyer that maybe very hard to win that in court, but the truth is he can delay, and he can postpone, and he can make it incredibly difficult and some of these things may end up in the courts and not be adjudicated until potentially after the twenty twenty election in. So he's also creating a situation where the Democrats are going to say, look, the president is again abusing his power. He is again trying to obstruct Justice and that then creates a real dilemma for the Democrats some of whom really don't have the appetite to call for impeachment and others who say, wait a minute. It may not be politically the best thing for us to do. But when you see a president abusing his. Power this way, we have no choice but to act so he's kind of pushing the Democrats into a pretty delicate and difficult situation for them to navigate and Peter that sets up a question to you on optics. How does it look that a sitting president and his adult children who are kind of half way running the company while he's otherwise preoccupied are suing to keep papers private because they may speak to something fundamental if they choose the right or wrong, classically trained, constitutional lawyer, turn federal judge in this thing that lawyer him or her could blow this out the back door of the courtroom, just based on a simple articles of the constitution constitutional argument. Yeah. I'm not a lawyer either just to be clear, although I have heard today, for instance, from a conservative lawyer friend who explained that his argument for why this is abusive power by the House Democrats. The idea is that congress should have more. Purpose in in looking after these kinds of records, and since they have not actually declared explicitly that they're having an impeachment inquiry. They can't sorta have one sub Rosa and act as if they were I don't know that argument sell in court again, I'm not a lawyer. But I think you're right into its optics. We do have this once again is dual reality people who are suspicious of Donald Trump are going to look at a move like this and say, well, what is he hiding? What is he trying to do stonewalling a legitimate request by congress people on his side are probably going to be susceptible or receptive to the argument that he's making these people won't let go they had two years of Muller Muller. Didn't find anything, according to the way, the president's portraying anyway, and therefore it's just partisan attempts to bring him down. So I think that people are locked into these positions right now. And it'd be interesting to see what might shake people out of them. But for the moment, I think it will be looked at through that kind of lends. All right, Robert now, take us forward to later this week. How do I put this gently Peter, and I are old enough to remember? Ever guy named Fred Thompson to the state of Tennessee who really became a figure in Washington as Republican counsel during Watergate for his questioning on behalf of his half of the committee during those televised hearings it lead to a prosperous career in the Senate run or two for the presidency and toward the end of his life reverse mortgage commercials. But this is done it's done all the time. The AG can't argue with a straight face that staff don't participate in or in some cases, lead questioning on hill hearings. Your memory is spot on history has shown Brian that staff and committee lawyers often ask questions of this is part of an administration, including the attorney general who when you talk to top House, Democrats, they say, they don't feel like there's any sort of cooperation of coming from the department of Justice from the Trump side from the political appointees, and they're very frustrated, but the attorney. Any general? He has taken a hard line so far his dealings with congress. Everything is done on attorney general bars time line whenever congress makes it demand. Whether it's chairman Nadler, chairman shift, it is appears to be pushed back by the attorney general, and you can bet when you talk to the Democrats on Capitol Hill. They're very appalled by this behavior by the attorney general yet, they haven't come up with the solution, Brian and how to actually get make sure their lawyers their own prosecutors of sorts politically are going to be on those front lines because the attorney general continues to threaten to not show up. Ashley parker. Let's channel our mutual friend. Chris Matthews and play a little hardball politics here. And that's Joe Biden, it was kind of clear today watching the Biden event two guys who share a generation Joe Biden went right at Donald Trump in two ways, he said in effect the road to the White House goes right through here. He mentioned western Pennsylvania went on to include the whole, state wise. Really? And then he also took a poll the crowd. How many of you benefited from the tax Bill? I didn't think so no one did. Because as he pointed out it was for the top one percent. We're starting to see even though were eight months before the first primary in a field of twenty. We are starting to see why Trump seems to completely preoccupied on social media about just one democrat. We sure are mean, we're seeing Biden strategy here, which is to try to sort of leapfrog over all of his other democratic competitors by pretending they don't exist and just go into a general election fight with the president. And we're seeing a president who is kind of happily taking the bait as talk into campaign adviser the other day who said look, it sort of makes sense. They view the president views the campaign largely views Biden right now is the biggest threat and also the president as we know as a large consumer of cable news' Biden is leading the new cycles and the president cares. A lot about polls and Biden as top a lot of the democratic poll. So Trump sees that and he wants to take Biden down and engage him. I will note very briefly that this goes counter to the campaign strategy, generally, which is to try to not name, these Democrats, and sort of paint them all with this broad lefty socialist brush, so you have a campaign trying to have whoever emerges be damaged with the mantle of socialism. And you have the president who has kind of eagerly spoiling for a fight with Joe Biden, three of the biggest names from the bylines that we've been closely covering these past few years. Ashley Parker, Robert Costa, Peter Baker are thanks for starting off our broadcast and coming up for us tonight. The controversial word that was repeated by the dutiful attorney general before we even saw the Muller report come out what the special counsel himself had to say about that word inside his document. And later since the Russians are already here. How prepared? Are we for their next attack into our next presidential election, especially knowing our president called their last mission? A host the eleventh hour is just getting started on Monday night. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. The special counsel found no evidence that any American including anyone associated with the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government or the IRA in this illegal scheme. Put another way the special counsel found no collusion by any Americans in IRAs illegal activities. There was no evidence of the Trump campaign collusion with the Russian government's hacking. No underlying collusion with Russia. Has he said from the beginning? There was in fact, no collusion. Well, anyone forget where they were when they first heard that that was Torney general Bill bar repeating that phrase that pays for the White House up the street. He will decide later this week whether or not to appear before the House Judiciary committee on Thursday in our series of reports on this. Broadcast that we're calling uncovered because we're diving into parts of the Muller report that haven't yet received wide media coverage tonight, we're going to look at what the report says at long last about collusion Muller's report says they considered conspiracy law not the concept of collusion to determine whether or not a crime was committed. The report reads, and we quote collusion is not a specific offence or theory of liability found in the United States code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law English. Translation, it's not a thing. For those reasons. The offices focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. The report also offers this summary about contacts between the Trump campaign and individuals with ties to the Russian government quote. Although the investigation staff. Published that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and work to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts. The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities lot to talk about to pros here with us to talk about it. Shannon, petty peace White House correspondent for Bloomberg. And Barbara mcquade veteran federal prosecutor former US attorney for the eastern district of Michigan, Barbara, I'm good like to start with you. Because I think all of our now of counsel former US attorneys said the same thing when bar was nominated. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think at the end of the day, he's an 'institutionalised yet now in the glaring light of day or the dark of night hearing him us. No. Delusion that many times knowing that he's about to introduce a document that intentionally says collusion's not thing. It's jarring is not. It is Brian. And I can remember where I was when I was watching him utter those words, and I actually found it pretty heartbreaking that William bar would use the word collusion. And it was especially heartbreaking to then read in the Muller report. That Muller went out of his way to say, let's not talk about collusion. That's just a distraction. That's not a legal term. We talk in terms of conspiracy. And the reason it was heartbreaking is that William bar was deliberately using a Trump talking point he sounded more like a defense attorney and more like a politician than an attorney general and for people like me who spent the career in the Justice department who talk about following the evidence where it leads playing it straight looking at facts in law to hear him use. Those political words was really painful, I wanna run to asterisks by you because you're the lawyer in this conversation. Neither asterisk to be clear appears in the Muller report, we have placed them there because they speak to questions. I have for you the. Investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign. Now, I've put an asterisk there because couldn't that speak to well who are we defining who was actually with the Trump campaign. The next one is conspired or coordinated with the Russian government. Well, what about go betweens? What about middle men and women are those both possible places where a good lawyer like yourself could find room to run around in. I do think it's a possibility. I think that that Robert Muller was looking at this broadly enough that if there had been somebody who was an associate of the Trump campaign who is not officially a member of it would have been captured within that net. Now that being said, we know that there are proximity. Twelve matters that were redacted that Robert Mueller has referred to others. Those are things that he did not find within his narrow scope of investigation that he has handed off to other investigators to look into so yes, I think that. Is a possibility and a fair reading of that sentence to to to suggest that Robert Muller constrained, his investigation to that universe. That sound social media users might have heard today was Shannon, petty piece winning Twitter with what I'm going to put on the screen right now. Shannon wrote about the president's agenda today starting at six forty nine as you see condolences to the shooting victims. And then I'll let you read the Bill of particulars his attacks against those people and entities that took up the rest of his morning, Shannon, in one way just kind of an average morning in the life of the president and his cellphone. Well at one point. I remember early on the administration one of the aides telling me that they intentionally told the president not to tweet after nine o'clock. I was not going, right? We can see that's kind of been through out the window and one of my colleagues at the White House noted today that the the marine who has outside of the Oval Office the west wing when the presidents in the Oval Office. Was not out there as eleven thirty today. So he was up in the residence would have been executive time. A lot of these tweets correlated with things that were on TV. The firefighters union endorsement, you know, Biden first rally, so you could tell there was probably likely TV watching going on during those morning hours. And yeah, it was just a full morning airing of grievances by the president on Twitter, really without any regard at this point to try and make it seem like he's in meetings or he's doing some sort of official business. It's very clear what's going on. And about the conversation. I just had here with a top flight. A lawyer your fellow guest of the speaks to your knowledge now of Donald Trump and has space. Well, we ever see a time when this enters the public conversation enough. The fact that collusion's not a thing. The fact that Muller made a point of saying that will there ever be a time where people here, no obstruction? No, collusion and say even his base. Yeah. No. We know that we know. That's not. True. Well, I mean, the president is an expert Brander and part of branding is saying the same thing over and over and over and over again, you know, so these these phrases get stuck in our head. He said no collusion more than two hundred times over the past two years. So that is the brand that is the phrase that's in everyone's mind, and even before this report came once we had bars letter before the report came out, the strategy among his allies and advisors was that no matter what Miller had to say they were going to make it a binary choice of no collusion that this investigation was about collusion, and they found no collusion, regardless of what else could have been in there and even at one point his advisors. We're saying that well, this is a phony investigation because collusion's not even against the law. They even brought up this point that Muller made. But still they continued with this pitch a Barbara. I you to listen to sixteen seconds of Sally Yates and on the other side. I'm gonna ask you if you agree. You know, I've been a prosecutor for nearly thirty years, and I can tell you I've personally prosecuted obstruction cases on far far less evidence than this. And yes, I believe if he were not the president of the United States, he would likely be indicted on obstruction. You're both former feds Barbara, do you concur with your fellow former fed I do the elements of obstruction are an obstructive at some connection to an official proceeding and a corrupt intent and there about ten episodes in that report of obstruction of Justice, some Robert Muller, find substantial evidence for some less, so but there's about three episodes in there with substantial evidence for each and every element of the offense. The asking Mcgann to fire Mueller asking Mcgann to lie about that. And asking Corey Lewandowski to get Jeff Sessions to narrow the scope of the investigation to only future elections for those three. I am confident that if anyone else were charged with that offense or had that evidence against them. They would be. Charged with obstruction of Justice are great thanks tonight to two of our favorites. Shannon, petty piece Barbara mcquade. Thank you, both so much for helping us with our conversation. And then coming up for us new reporting on the president's curious behavior when it comes to protecting our nation from Russia's involvement in our next election, one of the journalists reporting on this story will be with us right after this. This. Next segment is critical more now on this report that the White House has downplayed the threat of more Russian election meddling, even as security officials work on another side of the government to prevent future attacks to harden our defenses, this affects all of us. This is a Cording to the Washington Post quote for more than two years. Trump has recoiled when aids broached Russia's 2016 theft and dissemination of democratic emails, and it's manipulation of social media in an effort to sway the election. The report goes on to say during discussions in the Oval Office, Trump has regularly conflicted the threat of foreign interference with attacks on the legitimacy of his election. It is a claim repeated often by Trump and members of his administration. I want them to be sure that Russia or anybody else that it if it did happen if there was any and everybody also agrees, by the way, it didn't change the election. It's very clear that Russia meddled in the election. It's also very clear that it didn't have an impact on the election entire nonsense about the electors trying to use Russian hacking issue to change the election results is really unfortunate. I think that actually under minds democracy more than any other conversation that we're having right now, you look at Russia did find some Facebook ads to try to so descend to do it. And it's a terrible thing. But I think the investigations and all of the speculation that's happened for last two years has had a much harsher impact their democracy that a couple of Facebook as a couple of Facebook ads set the senior adviser to the president. Then there's this reminder from the Muller report, quote, the Russian government interfered in the twenty sixteen presidential election in sweeping and systemic fashion. Well, let that hang out there. As we bring our guests one of the reporters on this byline, whether Shane Harris intelligence and national security reporter for the Washington Post and for good measure Frank Figliuzzi is back with us. He is notably. The former FBI assistant director for counterintelligence gentlemen. Welcome Shane take have out. This any angle you wish let's start with how prepared or unprepared is our government. We just heard the FBI director last week call it the big event talking about the next election. How prepared are unprepared? Our way speaking to the citizens now about the Russians who are already in our system their ability to hack our next election. Well, I think the good news is that if you look at the intelligence community, the FBI the homeland security department, there is a lot of progress being made they're very aware of the threat and they're leaning into it. They're doing what they can what they're obligated to do under the law and unfortunately, communicating with social media companies we saw so much pervasive. Manipulation of social media. And the government is trying to warn companies where they should be looking out for those kinds of threats to hear back from them. We don't have though at this point is a president who is engaged at this as a policy issue of utmost importance, which many of his advisors believe it is he is out there talking publicly. Downplaying it recoiling it as you pointed out in private meetings as well. And when you don't have a commander in chief engage from the top the entire whole of government doesn't really work as a coordinated entity. I mean, imagine if after the nine eleven attacks, George W Bush had come out publicly and said, I'm not so sure al-qaeda and Osama bin Laden, we're responsible for attacking New York and Washington with airplanes, and then quietly the rest of the government was going around trying to stop terrorists. You get a sense of what a disconnect that would be. There's something analogous going on here to where the government is working very furiously. I think behind the scenes, but you have a president who really is not engaged on that. And kind of thinks that the entire enterprise is premise. On a hoax and Frank. That's the disconnect you've been coming on this broadcast to talk about. I saw the president before rallying is is now talking about Pershing the scum from the F. B I words, we've never remotely associated with one of our presidents in the past. And I have this reading for you Frank from the Rosenstein letter the new equivalent of. But how did you enjoy the play? Mrs Lincoln, our nation is safer. Our elections are more secure. And here's the fun part. Our citizens are better informed about covert foreign influence efforts. And schemes so Frank you get it by dint of the coverage we've been giving it we've got a big heads up all the American people coming into twenty twenty. Well, he's right about one thing in the letter. The American public is indeed more informed about the threat to our electoral process and the security of it and in part, by the way, Brian because you continue to cover the story. That's got to be told and the American people have to demand answers. There's another reason why the president has got to come out and publicly denounce what Russia did with our elections. And I get the fact that if he does so he's fearful that people will think that he got help and the electoral vote was changed and he's not a legitimate president. I get that. But here's the counter intelligence reason behind why got to come out and denounce this other nations are watching they're watching his non-response and just as we heard Michael Cohen and others talk about kind of that mob boss, signaling that occurs without any real words being exchanged. And yet, you know, what to do you get that green light by not responding and denouncing and punishing Russia for what they did in the election. He's. Telling other nations, essentially, I'm okay with this. You help me out. I'll be okay. And let me assure you foreign intelligence services salivate over the possibility that they could co opt in American president by merely making him think that they helped win his reelection. That's why he's gotta come out and denounce this or we're going to look back at this time and wonder how we gave up our our electoral process in this country. Yeah, we're going to have a lot of questions to answer for. Hey, shane. I know the deny is hanging on. I know the new CI director is over in Langley keeping her head down and doing her job as she has done all her career at the White House level. You've got Mulvaney and Bolton. So some of the guardrails are gone who are the institutionalists closest to this president. Maybe there are none who are intent on getting the hard work done of hardening our defenses, well, actually, the outgoing now ex homeland security secretary cures to Nielsen is someone. Gave a lot of credit for for trying to do the work of working with state and local governments particularly letting them know how to protect their systems and what to watch out for. But you it's interesting you mentioned John Bolton the national security advisor. Our sources told us that she blamed him for not elevating this issue of election security, high enough on the president's agenda and really trying to force him to buckle down on it. And was persuaded not to bring it up in meetings with the president for fear that he would simply disregard it or it would it would anger him whenever she did try broach it he would steer the conversation towards immigration so within the White House really that quarter. But people who are around the president. And really the president takes advice, we know from himself. He doesn't really listen to a core group around him at that level on security issues. The way other presidents have you're not really seeing people who are trying to get him to focus on this and elevated to the top of the of the issue set, and at least try and make it something and his. Mind that is as equal as immigration or border security, which are things that we know. He cares. A lot about and a Frank. You get the last word. Let me take you. One more step. Forget Vlad Putin who may have already won. But let's talk about the thing that intelligence folks off duty say to me is what you guys aren't covering is how kaleidoscopically China has drilled down in to American society and Intel and our public facing structures. About the signal. You just discussed Frank what this might say too bad operators around the world. What about a foreign power like that? China presents a pervasive and persistent threat from from a cyber perspective and intelligence professionals cyber professionals know that whether you're talking about corporate intrusion or intrusions into government agencies. They have done it. They've been there. They've done that. They've sent us the signal they've said Hello in an IT signature kind of way, and they present a pervasive threat. So if they decide to unleash their force and their sophistication, we'll be looking at this and just change the country's name from Russia to China. And by the way, you can change it to Iran or North Korea depending on their mood and their relationship with this president. That's why the president needs to come out. And next time they may decide to back the other party. And that's why congress needs to come out and say, this is a nonpartisan issue. We're going to tackle this. And here's how putting the fear of God in viewers for well. Over two years there at this hour on this broadcast with great thanks to Frank fake, Lucy to share. In Harris, gentlemen. Thank you. Both really interesting. If not a little scary conversation coming up twenty dams and the race Donald Trump. These days only has eyes for one Bill Kristol's here to talk about politics with us. Donald Trump was only president is the only president who's decided not to represent the whole country. The president has his base. We need a president who works for all Americans. We can afford this. You can do. It is clear candidate Joe Biden is not afraid of President Donald Trump, and it's not going to be unnoticed earlier today. In fact, Trump tweeted several times about sleepy Joe. The democrat White House insiders say the president fears the most Trump even took on union leaders after Biden secured the endorsement of the international association of firefighters. Here's how Biden responded to all those different attacks. Today's rally. By the way, I make no apologies. I have a union, man. We'll be telling you. Maybe. Thank you. And here with us here in New York to talk about a Bill Kristol veteran of the Reagan and Bush, administrations director of defending democracy together. There's a concept and editor at large of the bulwark and before I let you say your first word. Here's how good we are going to show you something that's going to air tomorrow morning on good Morning, America. This is Joe Biden on what we used to call. Reagan democrats. What would you say to the Trump voter the Trump supporter who looks at the economy and sees very strong numbers here in Pennsylvania where the unemployment is at a record low of three point nine percent. While what I'd say is did you get any benefits from the tax cut? Have you really your wages really gone up think he deserved to your employers, treat you with any more respect and dignity than it did before? What's the story? Ask these folks they're not getting their fair share. So the question Bill is this is going after the they were Democrats before they were Reagan Democrats. Before they became Trump Republicans some of them when western Pennsylvania state Trump wants very badly to win. Again. Do you think this really resonates? They can't tell I mean, I think Joe Biden has the most these easiest reach to non committed Democrats independence tomato Republicans onto kind of return to normalcy campaign. Whether people wanna go back, though, historically that rarely happens on American politics. Former vice presidents get the nomination, Walter Mondale. They tend not to win the elections. Virgin Dixons, the exception sixty at the Democrats tend to win general elections Clinton Obama John candidate Jimmy Carter. Forty five. Fifty years old is interesting. They combined both being young forward-looking time for change. Frontier. You know, all that kind of thing with being pretty moderate. Yeah. And I seems to me I mean who knows maybe maybe Biden I like Joe Biden personally respect him. But I feel those to be more. That younger forward-looking democrat who could also reach out though to independence Republic. Some Republicans might be a better shot against the era of Trump. It just doesn't feel like people would want to go back to someone who was certainly seems to Joe by into nineteen Seventy-three. Yeah. That's a long time as someone pointed out this week a career in public life longer than John Kennedy was on the earth for when I ask you about this letter. Rod Rosenstein has farewell. It ends. With two words just circled America. First you, and I are not old enough, thankfully, but we've read enough history books to know that when Lindbergh and his pals use that phrase, it put fear in the hearts of at least one American generation the phrases tossed around now regularly. But this does it not is this not an example of what this era has done to people. Yeah. It's really shocking. I mean, rod Rosenstein, a career Justice department attorney. I mean, fine if he wants to. You doesn't need to criticize the president his letter of resignation. You can even talk about how he thinks. He's accomplishment. Good things, but ending with the sort of partisan, you know, political slogan, the president as of the last sort of explanation in his letter, it really is something from another country doesn't want that. When you read that you feel that I made it should be it should be in another language, frankly, where you sort of end with the salute to the leader, you know, as opposed to it's been an honor to serve you and to serve this country. Thank you, Mr. press, you know. And now, it's it's it is actually demoralizing see that. And finally, there's something I noticed about the Biden rally in Pennsylvania today on the edge of the crowd wouldn't was over one man and the rope line where people bring things to get signed had a large copy of the picture of everyone assembled in the situation room the night they killed bin Laden there. It is it was held aloft. He's got a sharpie and post it, and he's asking for Biden signature on it. And that got me thinking of another picture that came out today. And that's Mr.. Daddy of ISIS. The president has declared victory over that group. We don't get to see this guy. But every couple of years. It was interesting. I think the caption, by the way could be I used to use just for terrorists. But now, I'm letting my natural gray grow back in. Is this guy? I'm sure represents something of a threat. What if today's news in fact, had been that he had acted somewhere on the planet is that not what we should war game for as we get more and more distracted by day to day politics, you know, talking to various people foreign policy recently. And I think the degree to which they are genuinely alarmed about the state of the world they're pleased that we've avoided too obvious as to so far, but we're not focused on them. The defense department does not have a red secretary of defense. The White House decision making process and national security is kind of a shambles. Yeah, we're strong country. And maybe we can just kind of make it through with this kind of governance. But I I mean, I hope we don't pay price for it. But I would worry that. We would we'll we'll over the next year and a half. And I do think four more years. I think the Democrats need to make this point. Maybe you voted for Trump. You know, you wanted to disrupt things I understand that four more years of this. Are you confident that that will be fine? I think there are plenty of people who have been mild Trump with Luxton Trump supporters. Maybe if you voted for Trump, people were tempted by aspects of Trump Trumpism who would shy away from the notion that we can confidently to set four more years of this administration. Crystal are strange times as he chronicles them last thing before we go here tonight. We wanna pause and remember to men who blaze their own trail in very different ways. And at very different ends of the same long, ongoing struggle federal judge Damon Keith died yesterday, and you need to know who he was born the grandson of. Slaves and the son of an auto worker, he remained a proud Detroit are all his life. He was equally proud graduate of Howard University law school where he was taught by the great Thurgood Marshall. It was Lyndon Johnson who put Damon Keith on the federal bench just three years after the Civil Rights Act. It was Jimmy Carter who elevated him to the circuit court of appeals judge Keith was simply one of the most important federal judges of the last hundred years while his legacy lives on forever, and housing and immigration cases. His most famous ruling led eventually to the release of the Watergate tapes after he found the transcripts must be released. If wires had been tapped without a warrant, Nixon's Attorney General John Mitchell sued judge Keith, but the supreme court had his back unanimously knocked that down years later, the judge stood up to Bush forty three on illegal deportations after nine eleven any one judge Keith always help the next generation up one of his former law clerks. Jennifer Granholm went on to become governor of his own state. Judge Keith presided as a senior federal jurist until just recently. And this man who served in World War Two in a segregated army. This man who wrote on segregated trains as a student who said he was reminded of his own blackness each and every day, he was so proud of the fact that he never held anyone in contempt of court in his courtroom because of his lifelong vow to show kindness. Always and fairness and stay positive. Federal judge Damon Keith was ninety six and then just today, we learned of the death of John singleton in his time and in his own way. He shed more light on inner city life than a dozen federal judges could his breakthrough film boys in the hood showed us south central the part of LA that so far below the Hollywood sign it was invisible to every other director before him. He was nominated for an Oscar for best director first African American ever in that category. And by the way, he was twenty four at the time. Not even a year out of USC film school that started a life in directing for film and TV the body of work. He now leaves behind John singleton died of complications following a stroke. He was just fifty one years old. And that is our broadcast on this Monday night as we start a new week. Thank you so much for being here with us and good night from NBC news headquarters here in New York. New meet the press the Chuck Todd cast, it's an insider's take on politics, the twenty twenty election in more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera. 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