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Shaker Heights - Episode 2: The Weird Kid in School
"Uh-huh welcome to Shaker Heights episode to the Weird Kid in school and the early morning hours of Friday September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety sixteen year old. Lisa PRUITT was stabbed to death in Shaker Heights. The upper class suburb on the east side of Cleveland. Her body was discovered behind a mansion. Owned by the DREIFORT family. The murder under occurred the day. Her Boyfriend Dan Dreifort was released from a mental institution. No murder weapon was found at the scene within twenty four hours the detectives had interviewed the Dreifort family. And come up with few solid leads in the days after the murder friends of Dan. dreifort commit up at the home of classmate Kathryn Scholtz to discuss the ongoing mystery following this meeting. Several of Dan's friends went to the police station station with a startling claim. A young man named Kevin Young had been overheard stating he wanted to kill Lisa because he was jealous of Dan. hand-drive heard this podcast presents. The case as it unfolded for Shaker Heights. Police detectives the interviews. You're about to hear are taken from. Actual you'll police reports and recounted by actors as the story unfolds. Ask yourself who do you think killed Lisa Brooke. This is detective. Richard Malini with the Shaker Heights. Police Department statement in an interview by one. Jonathan Andrew George Doc Jonathan. I know Dan from band. I've known him since about eighth grade. We've been friends since then until now. I've known Lisa's since I was in tenth tenth grade. And I've known Kevin since I was in ninth grade Dan and Lisa than going out for a couple months now Kevin supposedly like Lisa for a long time. Now most girls blow Kevin off because he seems kind of weird. We read a rabbit. Shaker Square mean Shane McGee. We're standing by Shane's car talking with Kevin and we were talking about Dan. Dry Ford and Kevin Young said something like. I'd hate to be Dan because he doesn't get any play and me and Shane. McGee both laughed Kevin. Kevin was like. Why are you guys laughing? And we're both like because Dan gets a lot of play from girls and Kevin Young said. Well he's not getting any from Lisa Pruitt and I said yes he is he sleeping with her and Kevin just freaked. He was like that asshole that asshole I hate him. I'm going to kill kill him. I want her dead and then he stormed off and left me and Shane McGee later. That night I was talking to Kevin Young again. And he was saying that women were good for nothing thing except screwing them and throwing them away and how. There's really no point in them. Me and Shane McGee. We were both like okay. Kevin Right we dated Arabica little while longer and talk to some friends there and then me and Shane both left. Could you describe Kevin Young physically and where he lives if you know. He's about six feet tall about one hundred. Sixty one hundred and seventy pounds blonde blue eyed listen to heavy metal METALLICA and anthrax. Uh He basically doesn't like the world doesn't like Black Jews Polish people basically a typical areas supremacists type person. He's usually usually a lot of talk. He says things about people but then he's friends with them. He talks about people behind their backs. It's very hard for Kevin to get a girlfriend because his views on everything they are really strange. He'll be infatuated with a person in ninth grade. He was infatuated with a girl named Marissa Dolinsky and she was going out with a friend of mine named Bradhurst. I and we were in Canada and he was threatening that he would commit suicide unless Maria broke up with Brett and went out with him. Jeff Petty and Hans Boehner are both band directors at the high school school and they were both there and knew about with threatening this and took his sleeping pills from him. That was basically all I remember about that. Kevin does not get along with his parents. None of us is friends. Understand why his parents are great. He's a heavy drinker. He drinks by himself. He likes to get drunk and wander off by himself. He lives across the street from the high school in a White House with a swimming pool in the backyard. Don't know the address or the St the ever see Kevin Young Act in a violent manner manner. Not sure I like didn't hang around him a lot. The only time he came over was it parties. I'd say I don't know. Do you know of Kevin Young abuses any kind of drugs. I don't think so. I've never used them with him or seen him use them. Do you think Kevin Young would be capable of killing someone. Yes why just basically because of how he does talk and he can become very aggressive. I've never seen him get into a fight with another guy. But because of his basic eight for women because they spurn him because of the conversations that me and my friends have about him the strange things he says and does Kevin Young ever talk to you about sex. There's views on sex. He always wanted to get laid. It rarely happened. Like the only time was with Jackie Hale and that was like it he he hates fags he truly hates them anything. That's not straight he's like no he doesn't like it. I have actually seen him get aggressive. He wants to beat up a guy who was bisexual but he couldn't find him. Did he ever state. He wanted to have sex with Lisa PRUITT. Not that I can remember. You know a male by by the name of Ken Workman yes is he. A friend of Kevin. Young's yes I think so. Whenever I go up to our ATIKA being Kevin would go outside outside to see who is out there and if tex out there he would always go over there and say? Hey Hi how you doing. What's going on is Texan nickname for? Ken Workman yes. Did you discuss with anyone who you thought could be capable of killing Lisa Pruitt when you heard of murder. Yes Kevin Young and Dan's father other Dan's father Dan. Dan's father don't get along at all. Dan's father through dance. Friends is known as a very crazy man this. This is also viewed by his sister Debbie and most of her friends. Dan just got out of Cleveland Clinic and the reason that he came down to us is that one night he was reading a book and dance. Father came amen caught him reading it and flipped and that was the day before he got sent to the clinic. Why would you think that Dan's father would be capable of killing Lisa? Prove it was as as soon as I heard she was dead. I was thinking of who would have done it and I thought Dan wouldn't have done it but Dan's father would have done it but I- ruled that out last night when I found out that dance fathers send him outside to find out who was screaming. How did you hear about Dylan's father? Sending downside through Shane McGee then. I called Dance House in his sister told told me the same thing I ask. People knew Dan and why he wasn't sent away. And they basically said the same thing to your knowledge to D- android Ford's father have anything eighteen against Lisa Not as far as I know. When did these threats against the android fertilizer? PRUITT take place June of nineteen ninety. Do you you know if Kevin Young would carry any type of weapon. I think he had a knife a knife. That's it did you ever see him with the knife once or twice. Yeah Yeah I'd come downstairs and he'd have it out and say look at this and I'd say oh. Yeah whatever I think it was a switchblade or a lock knife I guess yes. It was standard black or Brown. I can't remember. Is there anything else that you wish to add to the statement there was a person. He talked to Pete man I think he's seventeen or eighteen. He's a senior at Shaker. Pete was the only one who could really stand Kevin. They talked a lot and Pete tried to get Kevin Girlfriend and tried to make him not so much. Loser tried to get him to go out. This interview with Jonathan. George was important to detectives. Because Georgia's statement implicates three men as possible suspects for the murder of Lisa Pruitt while taking the attention off his friend. Damn there was another young man who knew Lisa would be sneaking over to visit Dan. Dan late the night that she was killed. His name was Ken Workman known simply as Techs to friends. Police asked Dan driver a few questions about him that day. So on Thursday September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. Ninety I'll start off with the with the phone calls. I had Becca boat right called once at about eight thirty and I bite it her over and then she told me she was was tired and was gonna go to sleep during the conversation. She also spoke to texts workman in one or both of us may be mentioned that Lisa becoming Over I also spoke to Chris Jones and invited him over and he called back and told me he was too tired and was going to go to sleep. I don't remember the Times on either one of those those calls but both were raped before ten PM. A TEX workman came over. It was sometime before nine pm and he and I were sitting outside aside when Lisa Pruitt came over at about nine pm in left five or ten minutes later while they were both there Texan. I joked about cutting LISA PRUITT's hair to my knowledge. However there was no physical contact between Texas and Lisa then? I walked lease at her car. She left and I went back. Attacks Workman who is in need of cigarettes. I gave him some money and at approximately ten PM. He left on my bicycle for Shaker Square. I went inside and came out again. Probably Eleven PM defined text waiting with a pack of cigarettes and he told me that he wasn't going to sleep over. I let them keep the change for rapid fair and and gave him. Some of the cigarettes then went inside and watch the news. Did you see Tex Workman. Leave your residence after after you gave him the cigarettes and if so which direction did he go i. I saw turn to exit the backyard of via the driveway. To the best of your knowledge. Describe describe what he was wearing wearing either a white pair of tennis shoes or a pair of Air WAC viper high tops. Not Certain what else he was wearing. Have you ever known. Ken Workman to take the bus back to his house. No but he definitely. He's definitely taken the rapid to my knowledge anyway. Did you have any contact whatsoever with. Ken Workman from the time. You're brought to Shaker Heights. Police Station at approximately three am on September Fourteenth Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety until noon on that same day know approximately. How far does Ken Workman live from Shaker Square between one and three blocks? But I can't say for certain to your knowledge. What is the relationship between and Ken Workman and Kevin Young such as are they close friends or not? Now they're they're not close friends but I don't believe they've ever been like hostile towards each other or anything. Something like that when Ken Workman returned from figure square to give you the cigarettes. Were your parents aware that you had return to your house or did you mention it to them at any time. Now they to my knowledge anyway they didn't know and I didn't mention it to them. Is there anything else that you I wish to add to this statement. Well Yeah I guess I just like to reassure you that I'll I'll tell you any new information when I remember it but I really have nothing else to say now. More Friends of Dan driver arrived at the Shaker Heights police station to give statements similar. Jonathan Georgia's that they had overheard Kevin Young say he wanted to murder Lisa pruitt route. The police learned that Kevin was due to leave town that Sunday to begin classes at Ohio. State University armed with the statements for multiple multiple teenagers. The detective secured a search warrant for the young family. Home Affidavit for search warrant of young residents Kevin Young Son of j Talbot Young Junior does reside on on away. Road Shaker Heights Ohio Ohio. This warrant states the Kevin Young New Lisa Pruitt and her boyfriend Daniel driver that in June of nineteen eighteen ninety at Arabic. Coffee House at Shaker. Square Cleveland Ohio. Kevin Young stated in the presence of several Shaker Heights high school students he desired to kill Lisa pro and Dan Dreifort that Kevin Young was seen at Arabic Coffee House. Cleveland Ohio on the evening meaning of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety and learned from Kenny. James Workman that Daniel driver was home for medical treatment that at the time and in the presence of witnesses Kevin Young became emotionally distraught crying uncontrollably and appeared angry intermittently that Kevin Young was observed. Walking in the Shaker Heights area toward South Woodland road at approximately eleven pm that evening that on September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety Kevin Young argued with friends about the homicide indicating facts known at this time only two investigative again authorities including preliminary findings from the Cuyahoga County. Coroner's office that the victim was not raped and further. The Kevin Young through reliable information said to be an unstable individual an ordinarily jealous of male female relationships and is known to carry a switchblade or lock knife. It is necessary to conduct this search in the night because this request is made at eleven forty five pm on September Fifteenth Nineteen Ninety Wendy and that Kevin Young is known to be leaving for Ohio State University on September Sixteenth Nineteen Ninety and the evidence sought is subject to you destruction if not retrieved at once while detectives -tective searched. The young family home. Kevin Young was formally interviewed by police. Detectives this interview occurred after midnight. That Saturday night Dan. I'm Lisa from band earlier this year and I got to be friends with Dan sister later on in March. I got to be friends with Dan. That's about the time I got to be friends with Lisa. I got to know her. I it wasn't really good friends with her. That's how I know them Thursday morning. I don't remember much. I remember hanging out at Arabica until about four pm it it might have been later than that time really meant nothing to me. At the time I went back around seven pm or eight PM. I waited until TEX got off work. We sat there there for a few minutes. The two of US went to the shack. He mentioned a potential Robitussin party at the Dreifort House. I'm almost positive that he mentioned that. Lisa and Chris Jones. We're going over to the driver towels at quarter to eleven PM. We paid our checks left the shack in headed our separate ways. I went home. I got there few minutes. After eleven o'clock I try to go to bed at around quarter to twelve and did not sleep well that night now. We're at Friday at eight thirty in the morning. My mom woke me up told me the taxes the door and wanted to talk to me. My mom already knew what happened to Lisa Techs told me that Lisa had been murdered and raped that night. You also mentioned stab wounds. I met up with text again slightly before noon at Arabica. It was there that he got hysterical. He was worried about people thinking that he did it because he loved his knife at the driver's house. Also when text mentioned the murderers. He told me that Lisa was found in the backyard of the Drivers House. Friday around noon Texan. I left for Arabica and headed for the shack. It was there that he was accusing Dan. dreifort of Lisa's murder. He was threatening to kill Dan of he found found out that Dan Killed Lisa. He also asked me to mention to the police. If I was questioned where I was with him Thursday night. I told him I would tell the police. We left the shack at quarter. Eleven as happened the also told me he was worried because he had no alibi. He said he left the dry for towels at eleven fifteen pm that evening. He told me that the bus US ran an hour. Late or took an hour caught a buzz. At Twelve Fifteen A.. And arrived home at twelve thirty. Am Friday afternoon before Debbie got in town on tax was a wreck. He was smoking like a fiend very scared and like I said accusing Dan's Reifer deb. Got In around one fifteen pm in the afternoon noon. Having caught the rapid going eastbound on the green road line for a while. She was convinced as well that her brother had killed his girlfriend Lisa. She had also heard rumors. Where's that Lisa had been? Raped prior to being murdered. Thought that her brother semen was in Lisa. I don't know what else to say. After the five o'clock news came on. It was pretty obvious to everyone everyone that Dan had not done it. I ran into Texas again at Arabica briefly. I was on my way to Coventry so I only stayed a little while he was then blaming naming a stranger that none of us know that was I think the last time I saw him Friday. He mentioned that he had been called in for questioning at least once as for today. Today I spent just about all day with Ken. It's Mojo and had very little contact with tax. I did see him tonight at the shack with Debbie and a lady named Becky I think her last name is Myers. Texts mentioned that he'd been called in four times. Now that brings us to when I was called in for questioning. I'm really worried that text did this. I hope it's not true but if he did this for me because of a crush on Lisa back around the time of the Germany trip. This'll be on my conscience forever. I've nothing more to say before given the statement were you advised of your constitutional rights and did you fully understand them. I was so advised. I understood them. Are you at the present time under the influence of any alcohol or drugs. I am not the mail you relate late to as techs. What is full name his name? Is Ken Workman you. State that when your mother woke you up on Friday morning and September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety eight thirty. Am that she had already heard about the death of Lisa Pra. How did she know this? A friend had called her. I don't remember who but I could ask her so that I understand you correctly. Ken Workman advise you on the morning of September Fourteenth Eighteen nineteen ninety to make sure you told the police that you are with him until ten forty five pm the previous evening is that correct. That's true did. Ken Workman ask you the Tel.. The please any other information relative to him he did not you stated when you saw can work men at a Rabah cut at about noon on September fourteenth nineteen ninety that he was hysterical. Could you explain what you mean. He was worried that people would think think he killed Lisa. He mentioned a knife of his that he thought was in the driver's house. He was also saying that he was convinced that Dan driver killed Lisa. We went to the shack at about out noon probably earlier. He was smoking a lot of cigarettes chain smoking after a while. We both kind of burst into tears. Techs told me I was the best friend it ever had. Have you ever known can workman to carry a knife. I cannot say for sure but I'm almost positive that he has carried a knife on occasion when you met. That can workman at Arabica later on later on in the evening of Thursday September thirteenth. Nineteen Ninety did you observe him to be riding a bicycle bicycle. I did not see him with or riding a bicycle that night. To the best of my recollection on the same evening September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. You stated you left Arabica and went to the shack with Ken Workman did he have a bike with him. Then I did not see a bike so that I understand you correctly when you walked from Rabah to the shack can workman also walked. He walked with me from Arabica to the Shack on September thirteenth. Nineteen ninety you when you left the shack and walked home. Which route did you follow Shaker? Boulevard to Van Aken north of Arabica from Van Aken. I took like a left at the traffic intersection onto drexel more from drugs more. I took Woodbury a took woodbury on away. Road where anway school is then around the school oval to their. Did you ever have sexual intercourse with Lisa pruitt. I did not to to your knowledge. Do you know anyone who did. Dan told me that he did. I'm pretty sure that Dan was her first. That's the way he described it to me. Dan Dandruff I or anyone else. Invite you or asked you to come over to the dreifort house in the evening hours of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. Nobody invited me. Did Ken Workman tell you what time he got home. After he left the Drivers House. He said twelve thirty a M. How did he say he got home? He said he took the bus. He also said it didn't come for an hour. Did he tell you where he caught the bus and where let him off he did not. Is there anything you wish to add to your statement be like crap and I really need him sleep breath. Nothing of value was found during the search of the young family home. They had no confession no murder weapon. No bloody clothes and Kevin's father alibi him. They were playing video games at the time. Lisa was murdered. 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I got some money from my mom and I waited for the rapid and went and got off Shaker Boulevard and Lee went to dance dance house and just talked is about fifteen minutes until his parents came home. They've been shopping. I think and I remember. I had to help them carrying groceries. They asked me how I was doing because I hadn't seen them in a long time. I think Dan was on the phone so I went out in the back. Him smoked a cigarette. Then he came out we were just talking about some of the hospital. He was at who was weird guy. Telephone call again and I just sat back outside and he went in to get it and he came back out and Lisa Pruitt came over. She said I could stay for fifteen minutes because her dad was waiting for in the car so Dan was showing her haircut Astor she wanted hers cutting was playing around and then he went around the corner. I don't know what they did. Dan came back around and she left. I guess we just sat there. Did he played his guitar and then he said that his parents were expected to leave around ten PM. But I could stay if I wanted to without his parents knowing so he told me to take the bike and go get him a pack of cigarettes so I took his bike and went up to the gas station Shaker Square which is right behind Rebecca than it went over the era Becca and sat down there. I was talking to Kevin Young in stand cramer. He just got off work and came over and sat down in. Kevin was all messed up then he was crying about some kidney manny or something like that because you went over to Iraq. He just kept crying. Insane wish manny was here here. I wish manny was here. Stan called his dad to come get them. Maybe like five or ten minutes later. His Dad came to pick them up. Then Kevin was crying. He's just kept crying. Ryan saying something about Manny and I told him to shut up then. We laughed and I went up Shaker Boulevard and he went the other way. I think it was down south woodland or something right before I got Dan South. I stopped like a little field thing and I use the bathroom in the field then I got back on. Dan's bike can went to his house. And I got there and I give them a cigarettes and he said Chris Jones was coming over and Lisa Pruitt and they were coming over I liked twelve thirty. Am and he asked me. If I wanted to stay talk to them. I told him no I was just GonNa go home. I gave him his bike and he put it in the garage and he went back in and I left. I went to the rapid stop and just sat there until it was around twelve midnight. I call my mom and astor call the rapid see what time they're supposed to come. And then I gave you the phone number to call me back at the payphone in after I got off the phone with her I sat down by the rapid tracks in the rap game. I don't remember how long it was. Then I got on and the rapid driver said something like like it was running late and he was sorry. I didn't say nothing to them. Until I got Shaker Square I just take it easy and then I went home and I got home and told my mom that I wasn't staying Dan because I didn't feel right about it called Deb Dry for college and we talked about how we missed each other. I got off the phone with her. I went to sleep the next day. I had to get up early because I had to go school and get my work permit so I got to school school. I went to Mr Wlaz office. Some lady told me he was with some girl who got murdered parents or something. It was the lady who is the Secretary for the office. She told me that and I told her I was just GonNa go to one of my friends houses until he came back and she said go ahead. I went to Dan dry hurts. I seen all the police and I thought maybe he commits suicide suicide or something so I started up the driveway but halfway up the drive. These two policemen stopped and asked me what I was doing. I said I'd come to see Dan. They told me wasn't home. I asked them what was going on. They told me to go. Watch the news. The one policeman asked me my name in where I went to school. What I was doing out of school that I went back to school and went to Mr Annandale's office in asthma fee? New was going on. He said a girl was murdered over there and I asked him the the name of who was killed in. He didn't say anything. I left his office on. I started back to laws office and I asked this girl who was killed and she said Lisa Pruitt PRUITT and I went to Mr Wlaz office in asked Michelle Vita Tonio who died. She said Lisa Pruitt. She was crying and I went in and got my work permit from Mr in. I went to Kevin Young South to tell them his mom. Answer the door and she wouldn't let me in because she didn't know I was. I told her it was really the important. She asked me if it had anything to do with. Lisa's death and I told her yeah and asked her if she told Kevin and she said No. I asked her if she wanted me to tell him and she said yeah she went up in woke up and and then me and him went downstairs to the pool table. I told them at least had been killed and he was like all all right and he said he'd meet at Arabic at around four PM and then I went to see if Jeremy Webster was at school so I could talk to him he was outside the school or anything and I started walking back and I seen Clark and some other guy in Clark was going crazy because the Lisa. I got sick of hearing hearing him so I walked home. I think when Rebecca to see if anybody was there and there was nobody in there so I left then I went home then. I call the police station to see if Dan was here or if any of his parents were here and somebody let Dan's dad on the phone and I told him deb was coming back then officer Mullany told me to come down and make a statement and I asked him if I could come in around four pm because waiting for Deb to come in. I got off the phone with him and I went to the rapid just sat there and Kevin came over. He got to Rebecca Lot sooner than four. PM then we was sitting there for a while. We got some coffee the at the shack. And then we've seen Jerry Izenberg. Ken Mitzvah Moto. Get off one of the rapids. So we went outside and Kevin Talk to them. And I walked away. Kevin came back and said they were going to a bank or something then. We walked over to Arabic and I think it was Dave Brannigan. I talked to and and he asked me how I was doing now. I said all right and then he asked me something else but I can't remember what it was. I left and went back to the rapid stop waited needed for DEB and she finally got off the only went back to my house and then I told Deb I had to go to the police station in. My mom wanted to come with me but I wouldn't letter. We both left my house Rebecca and then we got a ride from some guy named Bob so the police station. I got to the police station. And that's it before given this statement your vise of your constitutional rights. Did you fully understand them. Yes are you presently the under the influence of any alcohol or drugs. No was your mother aware that you are planning on spending the night at Dan Drivers House. Yes when did you tell your mother that you're planning on staying at Dan Draft House. When I called? Danny he said something about it and I said I wasn't sure. Do you know what time these arrangements were made. I don't know it was when I call Dan in his house to see when I could come over. Have you stayed at the driver's house before when Debbie was not home. Now that was. Can you estimate how many nights you stayed at the driver's house when Debbie was home a lot the last month before she went to college. I stayed there almost every night. More Debbie drivers parents where you were staying there. No you stated that you took dance bike and rode it to Shaker Square to buy cigarettes for Dan Drivers in yourself on Thursday September Thirteenth Nineteen Nineteen Ninety at approximately ten pm that correct. Yes described the bicycle. That you road to Shaker Square. It was a blue mountain bike. Like that. A men's or ladies' bike. It was a men's bike. What brand of cigarettes did you buy mama regular box? Just one pack. After he purchased a cigarette she went to Arabica. Is that correct. Yes while you're at a Rabah So how did you secure the bike in where I didn't. I just laid it up by the window at Rebecca in the back so I can see it. How long approximately did you talk to stay in Kramer on that evening? or how long was he sitting with you. Maybe like fifteen. May maybe like ten or fifteen minutes. Do you work at Arabica at all that night. No while at Arabica did you mention to Kevin Young and can stand cramer that there was going to be a Robitussin party at damned dreifort House that evening. I didn't say there was GONNA be. I said there might be because because that's what dad said. Before he went in the hospital he said the day he got out. He was going to have a rebel party. What did you tell Kevin Young and Stephen Kramer about who was coming coming over today Andrey for his house that evening I remember telling them anything? What did you know about anything that was going to happen drive for his house that evening? All I new is that Lisa and Chris were coming over V.. Ever attended a Robeson party at Dan drivers. Yes how many times times did this occur. Only once what was in your opinion the result of the people who drink robitussin at this party that is the fact the Robitussin on them. And how did it affect their actions. They just went crazy. Dan told me that makes them feel strong and said something about some kind of trance. They go into when they get into this trance. Whoever they see at the end of this hallway they do whatever they can to get them out of the hallway? They kill if they have to. Sometimes they just knocked the person out of the hallway. That's what he said. Would you explain what this hallway means. And he said one day that everybody's got a hallway and when you take Robitussin and brings you back to your hallway and it's like if you take it you you see all way it's like a mild form of acid. Have you ever done robitussin. And if so what was the effect of yes I fell asleep. Have you ever seen Dan dreifort under the influence of Robitussin. The only time I seen him he was just coming down from it. I never seen seen him when he was in the middle of not coming out from it. What was his conditions at that time? And how did he act. He just sits there and stared like he was asleep but has is open. When was this Robitussin party in there? It was after I got out of Rehab and before he went into the Psych Ward Rebecca Boat Right Andrea Conrad. Jim Hanna me. Dan and deb was their dead Messenger. was there too. That's everybody to the best of your knowledge today android. I have a Robitussin party last Thursday night. I think he did on Thursday evening September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety after you brought after you bought the pack of cigarettes and went to Rava. Did you leave a radical with anyone and go over to the shack. No I left with Kevin and I went down to the Shaker Boulevard and he went down South Woodland when you left a rabbit cut to return to the driver's house with the cigarettes. Which route did you take our down Shaker Boulevard to Lee and then in down Lee prior to read in the driver's house? You stated you stopped vacant lot. A few doors from the driver's houses is that correct. Yes was that to urinate. Yes approximately how far into the lot did you go. I put Dan's bike down. Where the entrances and I walked a couple of steps in did you take the bike into law and if so how far I took the bike to like the edge of the law where it was in the grassy area like a couple of feet after you finish urinating and return to the drive towards house? How did you make them aware that you had returned as throwing rocks at his bedroom window? Did he indicate to you that he had heard you throwing the rocks at his window. Now he never said. Do you come outside to meet you. Yes I was standing over by the garage and he came out Odin told me to go back and then he came out the back with the door with his dog. I told him I wasn't gonNA stay. What did you do with the bike? Just gave it to him and he put it in the garage. Did you physically see Dan. DREIFORT put his bike in the garage. Yes was the garage Asia open at the time or did he have to open the door. The garage was partway up. It wasn't all the way up when you left Drivers House House and walked to the rapid route. Did you take leader Shaker Boulevard. Do you stay on the sidewalk on the west side of of Lee road all the way to Shaker Boulevard or do exit the sidewalk at any point now when you arrived at the rapid station. Asian at Shaker and Lee. was anyone else there. Did you encounter anyone that you knew while walking from the driver's house to the rapid you know when you finally got on the rapid. was there anyone else on. The rapid now described the rapid driver ever had a conversation with big black guy with a beard. Where did you acts that? The Rapid Shaker Square right by the shack on your way walking from the rapid. Stop to your apartment building. Did you see anyone that that you knew no when you arrived home. who was there my mom and her Fiance Boyfriend Rob Cornell to do you have a conversation with them and I just told my mom? I WanNa stay at dance tonight. Approximately what time did you call Debbie. Dreifort from your apartment probably around twelve all thirty. Am Did you dial her direct at a residence at Ohio University. Yes when you called. Did she answered the phone directly or did someone else pick it up. I one of her friends picked it up. I did you know her name now. How long did did you talk to Debbie dreifort about thirty minutes after that you went to sleep yes? Did you leave your apartment at any time. Between the time you spoke to Debbie drive for on the morning of September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety now on September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety when you first learned of the death of Lisa Pruitt who it did you hear or did somebody tell you how she was murdered. Somebody had told me she was hit with something. Did anyone tell you that she had had been stabbed now. Did anybody tell you that she had been raped now. I heard that on the news. What time did you hear that on the news at noon when you went to Kevin Young's house on the morning of September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety approximately? What time did you get there? Probably like nine or nine thirty a. m. something like that at that time when you advise Kevin Young of the death of Liza Pruitt. Did you tell l. him that she had been stabbed and rate now. Are you absolutely sure of that. Yes during the same conversation eastern with Kevin Young at approximately nine or nine thirty. Am did you tell Kevin that you thought Dan Dreifort had done it. Yes why did you say that because on the news they said they had found her in his backyard and she was supposed to come over and see him. So what made you think that. Even though you heard where she was found that Dan drive for would be capable of or want to murder. Lisa Pruitt I just thought if he did robo bad night that he might have. I don't know do you know for a fact and did you see Dan. dreifort consume any robitussin on the evening of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety or of the early morning hours of September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety now did did you make the statement to Kevin Young that you are afraid that if Dan Dreifort did he might have used a knife of yours. That was left at the driver's house pals. Yes what kind of knife is this. It's a butterfly. I left it in Deb's room and she told me that she took it with her. When did she you tell you this asked her what happened to it as soon as she came home and she said she took it to college with her? Did you tell Kevin Young to tell the police that you were with him until ten forty forty five. PM The previous evening yes. I told him that while I was at the shack. Why so he wouldn't forget to tell you guys that I was with him so he wouldn't get in trouble and I wouldn't get in trouble? Did you. Make a statement. Kevin Young down on the evening of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety that Dan dry I I told Leeza pruitt that. He wanted to cut her hair. You wanted you to hold her down why he did it. He was just playing around when he said it. Did he make that statement. Yeah do you have a pair of scissors in his hands when he made that statement now clippers in his hand. Did you ever temperature Sir have sexual intercourse with Lisa pruitt. Now on Saturday September Fifteenth Nineteen Ninety in the evening hours us. Were you at the Dreifort home. Yes I think it was from Navy about eleven until twelve thirty am dude. Anythin- thin happened between the Times at the driver's house. That got you angry or made you lose your temper. Yes deb's dad was just getting on my nerves and me and deb left the house. He was nitpicking at deb. And it was Kinda getting on my nerves on Friday night. deb seeing kind of like a flashlight in the bushes and I got pissed off and went down to the street to see what it was. But I didn't see anything since the murder of Lisa. PRUITT DOC of you threaten to kill anyone. Yes who when I thought it was. Dan and I went down the street on Friday night. I was going to do the same thing to them. As whoever did that. To Lisa from the time you heard about leaser Pruett's death until right now. Have you had any contact with. Lisa's parents. Had some contact with some lady. See that was there with Lisa's mom and I told her if Lisa hidden diaries or any journals or anything to turn them into the police because they might have some information would did she. She say she asked me my name and said Okay this woman tell you that leads did in fact have a diary now. How how would you describe your relationship with Kevin Young? We're friends until he like starts going nuts. Would you consider him to be your best friend and sometimes would you relate to me what you told me previously about the information you had on David Brannigan. David told me that he was on the street that night and he was walk in and a cop asked him what he was doing on the street and he said nothing and that he walked a girl home and the cop took his name and everything then he told deb that he had his knife on him that night and last night he showed to us me and DEB DEB. DEB asked him if he's still at his life and he said Yeah folded out of his pocket described. This night for me is just had brass knuckles and the knife pops out of the side approximately. How long is this knife about two and a half three inches long just blade? How long is the blade on your butterfly knife that you described about six inches? Did you ever have any kind of relationship with Lisa Pruitt or did you want to know to both questions when you boarded the rapid Shaker and leave that night shortly after midnight on September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety do. Do you remember what the sign said on the rapid. The sign said Shaker Square the butterfly knife that you described as yours. Where's it now? It's an Athens Ohio. It's been there since the sixth of September. We'll handle does it have metal. It's got holes else. Children the handle to your knowledge. Why would debbie dry for take your knife to college with her? 'cause I gave it to her so wouldn't cause me no trouble. What kind of trouble spike carrying it? Because I'm on probation for truancy and running away and stuff prior to get in on the rapid shortly after midnight on the fourteenth of September. Nineteen ninety. Did you see the same rapid driver before. And if so where going the opposite way. While I was sitting on the tracks waiting to go to Shaker Square he pass me up going eastbound then came back westbound and pick me up during the day Friday September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety two did. Did you have any contact with any schoolteacher counselor or teachers other than getting your work permit from Mr Val Miss Annandale Dale. I think I called them earlier that day to see if there was anything else going on I think I called him one send deb called him once. Is there anything else that you wish to add to your statement now but I just remember Dave be tried to sell me a stolen gone about two weeks ago. It by this time Shaker Heights. Detectives must have known that someone was lying to them. Everyone was pointing fingers at everyone. Everyone else everyone who knew that Lisa pruitt was going to be a Dan dreifort. The night she was murdered. Seem to have an alibi as loose as alibis could be so. who was lying? Dan driver tax or was it. Kevin Young like dance friends wanted. The police needs to believe just when it couldn't get any more complicated in walks eighteen year old Stanley. Kramer Breath Stan. Could you stay starting from Thursday September thirteenth nineteen ninety the approximate time. You went to work at A.. Rabah that evening and relate relate to me as best as you can recall the events of the evening which relate to you of who you may have seen who you may have talked due to an anything that you can remember about that evening. Okay scoops closes about ten and after we closed usually do the mopping at about ten fifteen gene pm. When I was mopping I noticed Kevin Young was sitting at a table right by scoops he was emotionally depressed? It looked like he was crying and seeing songs. Longs I know some of the songs he was singing. I've heard him when I was younger. I continued mopping for about five ten minutes and I saw Kenny Workman come. And it's it with Kevin so I wasn't as worried as I was when I saw Kevin from the first time about what was wrong. I pretty much finished up at about about. I'd say about ten thirty PM. And that's when I clocked out and I decided to join Kevin and Kenny at the table. The conversation up was Kevin and was upset because a friend of his. I don't remember the name at all was in Iraq. I don't know if he was living or dead but Kevin was like hallucinating. Wanting him to walk walk through the Arab cadore so Kevin could give them a hug. Say Hello have you been and so forth I called my dad at about roughly ten. PM I went to get a pack of cigarettes. I at about ten thirty five PM and when I got back I sat down and smoked one cigarette. Which takes me roughly five minutes? I got up and called my dad. Roughly ten forty pm to come and give me a ride home. I went back to the table and the same conversation was up at the table. I was when I left. I have no awareness of what they were talking about at all. My Dad got to the back of Arab at about ten forty five pm which is when I say goodbye by two Kevin and Kenny. Yeah Kevin Kenny I went outside to get into the car. My Dad asked me to go in and get them. A coke came back back in Kevin. Kenny were walking out the front door to go home. Which from my knowledge is where they were going Kenny was writing Dandruff dreifort spike which he had returned that evening and when me and my father pulled out of the driveway I tried to get him the coke. I saw Kevin Young walking up a street. I think it was drexel more alone and it looked like he was headed home. What did you do after that? I had a lot of studying to do that evening and I went home. I watch. It's a little bit of the news just to get caught up on current events like I usually do. I went upstairs to do my homework. It was rough day and I had a little bit of homework to do so. I did have a little bit drink a few beers after I finish my homework I pretty much crashed. I went to sleep got ready for school the next day when you are at Aramco with texts workman and Kevin when young on Thursday night. Did you hear any conversation about a possible party at Deandra. Vard's that night now. I did not. Were you aware from the conversation between texts and Kevin Young. The Dan driver was back in town. we all knew from that day. Kenny was in school that day. I'm almost positive he was. That was the day that Kenny did. Drop out by do know for a fact that we all knew that Dan was back in town. When did you first learn that Dan Dreifort was back in town? It was roughly in between the hour of twelve twelve noon and one PM Thursday noon. Go ahead and explain the same thing you said before. Okay I was I don't have a sixth seventh eighth period so Alexi ratchets in a friend of mine that graduated in eighty nine was up at the school. Ease usually up there just driving around around. I asked him if he would drive me up to the gas station to pick up a pack of smokes. He did so and when I came back usually park right outside the science wing of the school I looked out the window and I saw what I thought was Danny Dreifort which I didn't know at first and I called his name and it was Danny and he walked over to the car and we. We just reunited started to talk and I saw them throughout the rest the afternoon until about four PM. Which I had to go home to go to work? WHO's a friend of yours? And what was his name. Alexi Racha Sin Lexi. Alexey that night data. When you left with your dad you state us? All Kevin Young walking up drugs more toward Shaker Heights. Is that correct yes. Did you see texts workman leave. I did not see him leave. Steve I knew where his bike was parked. It was parked right outside the window of where we were sitting and the bike was gone so I figured they must have left anytime. We're you aware that Kevin having an texts workman had left. Arabica walked over to a place called the shack. I have no aware of it. Do you know where the shack is. Doc where's that it's the rapid transits restaurant right on Shaker Boulevard in Shaker Square. What hours did you work at a Rabah On Thursday night from my knowledge it was five. PM To close which is at ten pm which I stated earlier. How will you know Kevin Young? You'd I know him pretty well. He used to play Little League baseball with him when we were both younger and we had missed each other for a while. After the team ended that summer he went back to school and I went back to school. I was still in the middle school at the time I got up to Think the eighth grade I when I I started going up to the high school Dec- other friends of mine. I met back up with Kevin and we started talking and just getting caught back up so I've known them roughly Lee well since about the eighth grade which is since I'm a senior would be nineteen ninety five thousand nine hundred five. That's what I figure describe for Kevin Young as you know him. What would you know about him? He had a normal teenage life. Did what most teenagers do drink. Go Go to parties on the weekend from what I remember. He did quite well in school. He wasn't one of the types of slack off that much with the school work because he was really concerned with his life when he got out out of school he just graduated the year. Nineteen ninety from the Shaker Heights high school. And he's a part of my group at Shaker Square Arabiya lately What I've been hearing what being Kevin been doing which was maybe about once or twice is drinking which seems like Kevin is having somewhat of an alcoholic problem problem which somewhat scares me? Kevin because I know Kevin quite well and he was really interested in baseball and he started smoking and drinking which surprised me that Kevin would do something like like that that heavily. Could you describe for me what you know in regards to any relationship between Kevin Young Lisa. pruitt okay I have known. I'm known that for the last two years Kevin has had a crush. I don't know if you want to say crush on Lisa He really was not to distract you. Go ahead and describe the relationship between Kevin Lisa Last two years Kevin has been in marching band with Lisa and they were pretty close since marching band is pretty much a big family To my knowledge Kevin has had a crush on Lisa. The last two years and his knowledge came about Dan. Dry for going out with Liza He was very angry distracted about Dan going out Lisa not him. Did he tell you that or is that just from behavior that you observe I. I have heard that from Danny dry for Kenny Workman and once from Kevin Young could you identify the members and kids. You're referring to when you say your group Yes In the group are Kenny Workman. Kevin Young Ken mets Emoto Jerry. Izenberg Judd Osgood Sheena Messina. Ah That's her last name Another one I'm just thinking of now. Is John Hannan and Alexi righteous in at least until he started working at Arabiya and there are a few more are that just. Don't go to Shaker Heights high school so they're usually not there all the time. How will you know Kenny Workman since Kenny's come to Shaker Heights? High School will as a freshman which was last year. I've known him quite well for both pretty much the same or crazy or both crazy well in the means of doing the usual things that we he would do in the Arabic group which is drink every once in a while just party go down to Coventry look for fights We were crazy when evening and we became blood brothers so I pretty much say that me and Kenny Workman or to me tax. Our Darn close described tax. What what kind of person? He is Who Tax? When he came up to the high school he looked like he wasn't as enthusiastic as a normal Tina's for high school? He was like different. He really did not want to be there. It's like high school wasn't for him. I mean that I'm used to it with our group but people normally don't like high school that had to be there was the literal dislike. He stayed in school. He didn't go most of the time. We did a lot of cutting at the end of second semester. Last year I dropped out of school which I really stopped. Stop going to the high school it was maybe about. I dropped out of the Shaker Heights. High School High School was then for me. I was a junior at the time. I don't know I just didn't like school. I came back up every once in a while until I got a job at Universal Printing which my dad owns I was coming up to the school and when tax or any of the group was cutting. I'd be joining them. which most of the time I did see Kenny Workman after the last year? Here this summer I was on vacation most of the summer so I didn't really see in that much. Emma Debbie Dry for had been together which has been a weird relationship broken up. I think about three times and other engaged to get married which really confuses me I mean. I'm glad that they are but I don't see how both parties are really wanting to do that. But this year I went back to school I enrolled again for some reason. They put me up as a senior. And I'm happy about that. Kenny was clicked in his freshman at the Shaker Heights. High school he failed last year. We were doing the same thing pretty much at the beginning of this year We were both caught smoking outside the school which she's in the rulebook illegal and we're both suspended for three days which my parents didn't know about. So hopefully they won't hear from this Kenny. After being suspended did he went into Richard Blah. One of the he's assistant principal and was talking to him and he asked if he would tell. Mr Law would tell Kenny's mom That he really does not want to be in school. 'cause Kenny's mom is one of those kinds of MOMS. I don't really want to listen to the sun. They just think it's coming out of their mouth because because they're sick of school. But after Richard Flaw Mr Law I mean talked to Kenny's mom. They've got the papers. Signed and Kenny dropped out of school after that a big change came in Kenny. Any A fulltime job. He started dressing. Nice he was like really getting his life back in order but he didn't know what he was going to do. We didn't know if he was going to become come at Druggie to just a regular bomb and the farthest away was actually get a fulltime job and actually looked good which he is now. That's pretty much. All the knowledge I know will his death. Could you describe what you know about Robitussin Cough Syrup in terms of how it fits in with your group of friends the only the people I know that have taken robitussin to get a high. Are Kenny Workman Danny dreifort. I think I'm almost positive. That Danny and Kenny were the two that found around that it did something to you. those are the only two people emberley positively sure about trying to the best of your knowledge. How many times have either either Danny or Kenny tried robitussin? Well me for one have known him to walk around when he has problems when he doesn't want to go home he just walks around a lot just to get that stuff off his chest he just. He doesn't want to really go home at his house. His mom is the carrying. Kind show. Ask What's wrong. He doesn't really want to tell anyone about it except someone from the group but if we're not there for him or if there's something else up or if we're having a phone conversation he just won't bring it up with us. I have known him to walk around a few times by himself. Have you ever had any knowledge of him sneaking out of his house without his parents knowing it. I know he is eighteen and if his his rules are the same as mine. He doesn't really have to well since he graduated. I don't think gas to worry about sneaking out. I don't think he has a curfew on the night of September thirteenth. Nineteen Ninety when you returned home from work from Arabica. Did you leave your house after you got home for any reason. No I did not. Were your parents awake. When you retired for the evening on September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety? No they early went to bed at about eleven thirty PM and I was still Philip. Studying was anybody else in your household about the time. Now when you said you were studying and had a few beers to drink that night do you have an idea how how many beers you had roughly sixty eight do you or do any of your friends that we have mentioned so far or maybe some of them. We haven't regularly Wurley or not regularly carry any type of weapon from my knowledge techs out of butterfly which Debbie Dreifort took to college with her when she laughed about a week ago go. She took it to college because Tex really had no need for it. can met. Some Moto has a switchblade. Would any of this be used against you know one of friends. Oh No okay because I have one myself which I lost. It was a butterfly knife. I showed it to someone and like walked over to them around the car and I came back and forgot to retrieve it so I haven't seen it for roughly two to three weeks. Oh and that's pretty much it out of the group do you know. Oh who has your butterfly no idea. At all. From my knowledge it could be on someone's dresser to someone actually giving it back to me and putting it in my room without me knowing right put it. Do you have any direct knowledge or have you ever heard of Lisa Pruitt sneaking out of her house to go see Dan dry for anybody else. No I know of no past right. Don't even know why she did this. Evening Lisa's not the kind of girl that would sneak out. She has a foreign exchange student. Didn't at her house. That's the second reason. Why wouldn't think that she would sneak out unless it was very important to see Dan that evening so that I understand you correctly you didn't really know? Lisa disapprove. Well is that correct not as well as other people. You wouldn't have any idea who appro- it might confide in as far as a female friend not off the top of my head not never really close friends. Did you ever meet her parents. No I was planning on going over there this weekend but there are too many people were there and I didn't go over there. I'd rather it be fewer amount of people over there. Do you have any knowledge of the feelings or either Mr Dreifort Lyford or Miss Dreifort on how they feel about. Dan Gone out with Lisa That they had both approved of it. But I'm really wondering about Mr Dreifort. From my knowledge. He supposedly supposedly had a crush on Lisa. I don't along it's been but he's really supposedly liked her. I mean it's a rumor is not straight facts. I didn't hear it from from Dan or dance father but he has had a crush on her and she has been going over from what I know she has been going over to the driver. It's house to see if Dan's home yet here of any messages from Dan as where Dan was. He can't write out to people of the family from I mean if Brennan was in there and they cannot except for family members. Can you tell me who you heard this from about Mr Dreifort having a crush on Lisa. I'm not sure the Girls First Name mm-hmm but Halley Warren. Who just heard it from Abbey Wilson? She is a senior at the high school and she is in the yearbook. Halley McPherson Curson Abby Abby. Is this a rumor that you heard prior to Lisa's death or after her death after our own we heard it this afternoon on my way to the funeral from Halley and she did not want me to repeat it to anyone for reasons of she didn't want it to slip out which I have no idea why I because I know I'd heard on behalf of the other kids at Shaker we want. Whoever did this behind bars? Is there anything else you can think of that. You've I've heard thought saw or otherwise. In the last few days that might be a value or interest to us trying to figure out what happened to Lisa. pruitt thought could have happened in my mind. From hearing the knowledge of a possible linking Lisa dance. Father and Dan and Dan's father were supposedly out the evening. Lisa's incident happened. They were both in the same room and they both heard a scream. This is from what I know for a fact or at least from the papers. Dan's father other told Dan to go out and see what happened if he can see anything at all. Dan came back. Didn't hear anything and you pretty much know the whole. Oh thing after that. He went back after the police were called. They went out. They didn't see anything. Dan went back out for his bike. Looked around found. Lisa's bike came back out to the police. And that's when the body was found I don't know if dance father and him were still in the same room that Dan's father might have told Dan that look. You're going to be looked at as being a suspect in this because Lisa was heading over here. I'll say that you were mean you were in the same room talking or or whatever and that's when we heard it for when I can think I don't know if it could possibly happen but that might have never happened. Dan's father might have of her Dan talking on the phone to Lisa a matter outside before she actually got the house. That's really off the top. My head that possibly could have happened which the skid marks on the sidewalk could explain the corner ones is maybe his father maybe walking around the corner surprising her and asking to halt saying Oh hello and they walking towards the house us Mr Dry for possibly thinking about it or riding a bike still turning around again abruptly and having to slam on the brakes again to describe describe the other ones on the road a her there were two skidmarks one on south woodland a one on Lee. Is that true. Whatever over I I could picture Mr Dreifort doing something like that? I don't want to say it because I like Mrs Dreifort rumors from Debbie Dry for Danny driver. They consider their father is a Hitler which really having the full meaning of why they call them this or why the nicknamed came up but he was like strict. He was one of the stricter parents around the neighborhood with the kids. Were you aware or have. You heard how Lisa was supposed to meet Dan that evening or how she was supposed to let him know she was there. The only way I could figure is way we always do it is Wayne girlfriend. Sneak out or boyfriend sneak out. The parents are up in bed. The one is waiting by his window to in the family room they have TV room which looks out. There's a window along the side. There's a fence because you're aware of that from looking around. She could have easily Parker bike right there and knocked on the window. Do anything like that. I mean do those windows. I know that you can't really hear anything if the TV's playing because I've been there waiting for Dan this weekend when I was going over to visit him to see what he was doing. I couldn't hear the cars when the TV was playing. Uh if that can be of any help guys I just thought about that. uh-huh Shaker Heights is brought to you by hallmark. Sometimes when I say I love you it feels like a habit you know but when I say I love you in a hallmark card it feels different. It's like I love you that you can hold onto Valentine's Day is Friday. February fourteenth. VISIT VISIT HALLMARK DOT com slash garage. Define a Valentine's Day card for everyone you care about and use our Promo Code Garage to get twenty percents off your card. PURCHASE THAT'S HALLMARK DOT com slash garage to find a Valentine's Day card today Shaker Heights directed and produced by True Crime Garage co-produced co-produced by the philosophy of crime and narration written by James Renner. Stay tuned for episode three.
Big Book Interview with David C-(pages 75-76) STEP 7-Get in the barrel
"The. World. Welcome to Northstar Big Book My name is Carly Israel. And I am your host, my sobriety January twenty, seven, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, and I created this podcast simply to share the message of the big book it completely changed my life. It always changes my life and I hope it can help change yours. Hi This is curly recovered alcoholic welcomes in Star Big Book. I am super excited for today's guest I'm doing a series where I get to interview people now because of this pandemic all over the world and I get to have people who have been in my sobriety I respect and who love the Big Book and today's gassed will you introduce yourself My Name is David Churning. And I am a defeated social drinker formally Cleveland currently in San Diego California. Welcome will you tell our listeners your sobriety date? My sobriety date is may eleventh of nineteen eighty. So for you guys who can't add how many hours do you have? Well into my forty first year and he was fifteen when he got sober. So God willing. I keep doing this work and I don't die I. Get to say I'm forty years sober when your age I wanted before we get started I want the listeners I'm everyone knows I'm full disclosure I want you to know I. Don't know if you know this you might. You probably do this you're smart. So Dave, who I'm GonNa make tell stories to us. Today was one of the first people in person in a when I got sober who had a light on that drew me to him that I could see it was more than just about staying sober and when he talked about sobriety and what's the right? He has done for him particularly the steps and our book it blew me away and because I was starting to get better. I. was attracted you like as a girl and a boy and I think that what you did for me was probably one of the most important lessons learned Aa because I don't date people may is you whether you're nude or not new to not go near me? Because I think you saw that was at this crossroads where I was in just keep doing the same thing or I was going to go on this path and get better and it says a lot about me that I was attracted to someone like you were saying and healthy. And it says a lot about whether or not that you didn't pick up on any of my. You have any idea what I'm talking about. Yeah I do I think that? I do I think that That that it was just A. The right place at the right time carly, because had I been a little less sober who knows what would have happened? Yes and you could have been one of my amendments not stop improperly. There you go. Okay. So. Tell me what we're doing in why? Word is GONNA. Read a little bit of the book because when it comes to picking what I think is my favorite I or most important I pick. The sixth and seventh prayer seven step. In pay seventy, five, seventy, six, and. That's for big reason because I think that I've learned over the years that it's really easy and quite. Quite ordinary for me to screw things up if I'm in charge and that includes helping others that includes making a man's that includes doing all the things that I have to do in order to stay sober. So to me, there's nothing more important than complete trust in God as I understand God and that seven step prayers where that all comes from. So the process they got me to that prayer is. Really. Important. But the catapult the thing that gives me the opportunity and gives a the opportunity to work it is. Do you know, do you remember where you were in your sobriety? How much time you had when you first came to this place? It was. It was well, after I did the seven step prayer initially although I saw the importance right after I did the fifth step it wasn't until. After screwing things up for an awful long time that I. Put together that that what matters is me knowing that the right thing is going to happen that God has all the good and the bad. It doesn't mean I'm perfect. Doesn't mean I know because I did the seven step pros really hung up on now I have no. Now I have to do the right thing now everything's GonNa be right because. I did this and that's not at all. What it means anymore you know you haven't had days of perfection. No ma'am? Maybe. No. I love to think I have but it's it's. I love not having to worry about all that to you know I love I. Love Love Love Love Love Sarcasm. It's best thing ever and it's certainly a defect right but it's I know that if sarcasm is in the of me being of service to God, it's not GonNa be there. It's not going to be there I believe. That there are times when sarcasm is probably really good way to be of maximum service to A. New People like New People because they really 'cause they're waiting for us to be like churchgoing perfect humans that like you must be perfect and when they hear us I mean that's the way I communicate the bass with new, people is my sarcasm on because I tell them please call me like the they liked that kind of war when my sponsors not sending me inventory can I have your new sponsors name? So I can like all your paperwork. You know what I mean. So they do that that's like how we get to the truth with that's my experience. I think that the Just, example of knowing the right thing can happen is is a confidence that I was never able to live without. Look the same without knowing right so before. Before that. I knew that that I turned myself over to God, I wanted Mama defects of character to be removed I was making a man's I was doing all this stuff and and the incident that that that made it happen I can't tell you the truth but over the years just the the the evolution of being sober pointed me to the realization you know it's always hindsight that Left to my own devices things we usually go sideways. So why what is the control in there? That's not me what is the metric that I can look at and see how things are going in and what the difference results are, and it's always been when I'm at one with God. When I'm when I trust that the right thing is going to happen. I'm outside of myself and have a chance to do the right thing for me. I think the principles of six and seven year budget talk real have really come alive in ten and eleven for me because. It's only through daily practicing and like the morning when it says on the bottom of eighty six like when I don't know what to do, I need to ask God in in weight and not Russian. This has become a new tool for me. It's just kind of embarrassing to say like I don't know what I WANNA do and I'm not going to make a decision right now. That's the beauty, right? That's the whole thing. So so my sponsor took me through the steps and this is always what I think about I. Talk about it all the time and I think about it all the time and I take people through the steps like this all the time. So so it just became embedded in me and all of A. Sudden the process made sense right it it I booze angry and I was I hated everybody and everyone said turn it over do the third step turnover turnover turnover and I'm like what the hell are you talking about? What does this mean? So so I asked my sponsor and he said there's three frogs on a log and they decided to jump off. The Nice. Good at math, there's none left they all. And he said, no, you moron, they're all three left because all they did was make a decision. And and that's what the third step asked me to do to make a decision to turn it over and you know a decision without action is kind of useless Kenna. Silly right. So so I made that decision to turn it over in the third seth. I did a four step to find out what it was and maybe that was the first time in my life. I was ever so honest with myself. then I then I did a fifth step where I shared it with my sponsor and with God, how did you feel after your five? Did you feel what they say that you can look in the I be perfect peace and I felt nauseous now I. I I didn't feel nauseous I didn't feel at peace with the world I felt. Maybe. A little weight off of my back I'd certainly shared some secrets that I thought were were were going to end my life and and to have that weight off my back was nice. But no, I didn't feel great I felt like I, knew what it was. My sponsor said goal taken our really think about what you've done. The decision that you made in the third step. You felt what you found out about the fourth which you shared with me in the fifth step reaffirmed that decision, and then once you do that new the seven step and turn it over turn it over because that you know in in the old books, it said the step that separates the men from the boys and the reason Greeks. And, and there you go. and. and. And that's because without it. I can't do. Anything except. Not Drink I never really realised until you just explain it. All of the work we do from one through six. Is just meaningless if you don't go to seven and then keep going, it's just information like okay. Now I did I told one person and God I could literally die or drink from this point on if I don't do the rest of the work. In this is really I. See why for the first time ever why this step rate here is a separation so let's go. That's it. Yeah it makes. All I could do without this step is not drink what page are we not drinking age seventy five. I'm not GonNa read the fifth step where we pocket our privacy. Do we do the fifth step returning home with a place where we can be quiet for an hour carefully reviewing what we have done we thank God from the bottom of our heart that we know him better. Taking this book. Now from our shelves, we turn to the page which contains the twelve steps carefully reading. The first five proposals were asked if we had admitted anything for where we are building an arch through which we shall walk a free. At last. Is Our work solid so far are the stones properly in place? Have we skimped on the cement put in the foundation? Have we tried to make mortar without saying. If we can answer to our. May? So, you do that our the book tells us very specifically go do this hour after reading your fence to find out what it was. You sit down I always share it. In it's not mandatory. It just didn't. It works for me to write it out like in my journal like a writers like I had to get out what's in my what I just. And then after that our after looking at all, then I go to step six. All right. We can answer to our satisfaction that we look at step six. We have emphasized willingness as being indispensable where now ready to let God remove all Trolleybus for I'm sorry my glasses help. God. Removed from all the things which we have admitted. Are Objectionable. Can Now can you tell me in your own words? What objectionable needs you? But. I think the simple term character defects the things that I figured out that I do repeatedly to hurt myself or others or or take advantage of things or others or work frankly. That are impure D- is honest, selfish and unloading. Kenny now. Finding. Again. My glasses are lost carly. I lost. I lost him yesterday and I have an old pair and they're they suck. Presses. So you need me to read them for you know I got a hunger. Can now take them all everyone if we. Still cling to something we will not let go we ask God to help us be willing you know praying for the willingness to be willing as something. That's an important thing in an easy step. By, step six story for US I sorted. Do you know? It was it was a separation around this time between the time that I did my fifth step in the time that I didn't you know must Or doing my force if it was sort of the first time that I put this God of my understanding into action, right? It was it was before. My sponsor said just just use my higher power and I wouldn't seriously me on my knees at night say, dear, whatever keeps bill sober helped me feel better there was my prayer that's what I wanted and that's all that was going on and that was something right? It molded into a lot more DUE TO A. Poem, that I saw my home group wall. And that poem. It was like. This this beautiful. Description of something greater than me. And and. And this was the first time that I was ever using that instead of deer whatever keeps bill sober. So so thinking of thinking of that, I really asked like. Please let me be willing. Let me have the willingness to do this and move forward and understand that that what I'm doing in turning it all over. So it's it's not a story other than it was an opportunity for me to Hannah. Away from dear. Whatever keeps bill sober. You Know My server plate story about six. High. Share. Okay. So I was a restaurant server for like six years and I was good at it, and if you can picture review in Cleveland when fire was there, Shaker Square I was. Just closing I'm so sad. Bast best boss of my life dog was amazing and I make great money there because if you're good at what you did and you knew how to run the room and please people and make them happy and care everything. Awesome I think God is like a really good server. I picture myself at a to top will the butcher block table and I know as a really good server the add on having a conversation with the people I'm helping I can look out of the corner of my eye and they do a couple things. What do people do in the world when they're done eating like what are some of the gold standard? What do you do when you're in a restaurant? You want your person take away your plate. What do you do? Hold on our loss you. Put the knife and fork across replace okay. So you still were down, you put your plate ahead or your nap get right affect their indication if you were eating off of your plate, would you be mad of your server to take it away? I would be be questioning that action right? You're still you're touching act right so god, is like a good server in God's not gonna walk by our table while we're saying I want to take away while we're still eating off of it, and so I, say to my girls that Gaza server we have to show God where we're ready to lots of the go. So my the way I always hear them it was like when I used to chase after new boys and a tattoo is a naughty boys that were bad. The way that I finally got rid of that was instead of not going up to new boys I was focusing on new girls in helping them with big up in steps, and while I was busy doing that not touching the other plate gods like Oh she's done. and. So one of the questions I always think is, how do I show God? I'm ready. That's brilliant. That's a really. A story after my heart carly because stories. Are are how I roll and meet. The I have the paint myself into a corner. It's the only way. It works I'm GonNa. Shut this door because this annoying we'd rack. Six seconds so. Is A jackhammer before I'm not down the kitchen wall right now by myself it's very exciting. I'm so Baptist Epstein and take us through your favorite tool prayer. I say every day multiple times like when you need it or do you just wrote in the morning? I. Say in the morning no matter no matter how I'd say in the evening no matter what no matter how and and throughout the day when whenever I'm wondering if what the right thing to do is I i. Say At least a Reader's digest condensed version of what's your Reader's digest version. Let me do the right thing. Yeah. Let the thing. Happen I kind of the place where I seen enough evidence. When. I try to run the show, it's exhausting and I make a math like can we just cut to the chase give me like you know like when you get a you are out, you can copy like a shorter link. This shorter lane of tell me what to do. God's like carly, just be uncomfortable not the right thing. Happen. You know and then I know it's Gonna I really really really know that it's going to and and and I stay out of my head everything. Turns out the right way. So. Take us through when ready when ready we say something like this Seattle need glasses for this. Yes. My creator I am now willing that you should have all of me good in bed I pray that you now removed from me every single defective character which stands in the way of my usefulness to you and my fellows grammy strength as I go out from year to do your bidding. Amen. We. Then completed steps having. It. It. was sheeting. At my fifth step in when I was reading the six step after my fist that I far first time realized that the seven step per didn't mean that I was going to be perfect. Which? Was the disappointing were you afraid where you're afraid like most of us? What if God takes everything and I'm just like this boring person of course that was the whole thing right? That was that was the thing. But but seeing that sort of set me free, it was like Hey I get to keep all of that just when it's time will be there and by. Keep it I. Don't mean I get to continue to lie and cheat and steal. It means that I continue I I need to continue to do. The right thing is I think about it but know that the right thing is going to happen that God thinks about it. If I continue to keep that trust, you know the the the tight rope, Guy, Niagara, falls right the. Favorite the trust and faith and that's the thing you know every every kid has has faith that everything is going to be good and and when the thunder roars they run and grab their mom's leg and everything is super or or or going to be okay and there's Another stupid story that my life or a guy. Runs. A tight rope across Niagara Falls and he's walking across it with a wheelbarrow. And he's got this wheelbarrow with one wheel and he's going and he's walking in crowds gathering down at the bottom and and wondering what's going on and they're looking in and he's walking across everyone terrified and with anticipation and he's teeth. SORTA loses his balance a little and he's wobbling and people downstairs are turning their heads and gasping freaking out and there's a guy at the other end. Tapping his foot. Saying Yeah. He's got his arms crossed. As I say he's got if he's got it I got faith. No worries. And then he recovers in the crowd down at the bottom roars and scream and Holler, and it's great and. They start watching again and he's gone and he's Almost there and he starts to lose his balance again and her people gasped turn their heads in the guy at the other end was arms crossed keep tapping his foot these gathered I got no problem. and. He recovers the people cheer and Holler and they're so excited finally makes it across the loudest rory ever heard from the people down at the bottom on the US side and the candidate side they're screaming and hollering and everyone's so excited and the guy. Who is they're just tapping his foot with his arm across didn't even flinch like. I knew you were GonNa make it I have face. and. Anna. The trust comes in when the guy turns around and the wheel barrel says hoppy, I'll take you back. You know that's the difference that's the sevens. That's what I'm building this process. That's what I'm confirming in the sixth and that's what I'm giving. God is the ability the trust to know that the right thing is going to happen and to me I. Sit already in this meeting in this conversation, carly, it's the only thing that keeps me going is that people have that trust that the right thing is GonNa, happen because. It's the only way. We you know I talk about it all the time what keeps me sober animal, the answer, and oftentimes it's that I don't want Chris to have more variety than me. It's really why I don't drink so. So like left to my own devices, things turn can go right. trusting God and knowing that the right thing is GonNa happen gives me a chance to succeed today to be more than sober to be happy to be joyous to be free to get the promises to be able to make amends for. That hard to be able to see. My side of the street and my responsibility in any given situation to be able to take off Weiner's and see everyone's priorities or or or perspectives. Because that's really what with the whole thing is it's all true because someone thinks it is. So. Who am I I just have to try to do the right thing. It's one of my favorite stories is William, tears or you're telling it I I always known that story and two things one I never realized it but we do that essentially when we take someone through the stocks, we say to them get in the barrel with me because they have never John and I'm what we're asking them to do is crossing. Niagara Falls on a tight rope. That's it. An imagine carly if you hadn't done this seven step per and don't live the seven step prayer, what are you going to do I mean there's no chance of that work out right? Right. You're trying to. Anyone that doesn't know how to do. You're trying to think of what's right for this person how the hell are you supposed to know? How am I supposed to know what's right for somebody? That's not me I don't even know what's right for me I now. Which is, why am I only guide them back to the book and the steps and God because I don't have the Hell's wrong right for you. Especially, with relationships I will never tell someone what to do. Possible. The other thing I wanted to tell you is I know you can definitely relate. Is I've always known that story in sobriety love stories just like you and I actually put that story in my memoir that's coming out because it was so meaningful to me and what I found is that. The universe asks us to get in the barrel. If you stay sober long enough you're asked by the universe. Times get in the barrel and for me, I, it was a life changing moment for me with my son was having to get in that barrel with. In saying I, trust you and when I went to God at that time and I didn't I was terrified not relationship completely change eventually for the better. I remember getting on my knees crying in like one of those personal family bathroom is in the hospital after one of my sons procedures and crying in embarrassment to God to say that I didn't trust you all. It was in the wheelbarrow even I went in I went in the barrel, but I didn't. And I felt so bad in our relationship to say I didn't trust. I don't think I've ever twenty within out so bad to admit to God. while. I was in the barrel I didn't trust you and God is like I love you. I don't Care God new. I, mean. Sorry. Let you go. Acquire the fish tank story. Sure. Be Free warning that's good. Thanks. it's it's back to perspective because I think that another thing that I've learned in growing. Sober is. That like I said. A minute ago perspective is everything right? Someone's perspective truth There was a time that that policemen and principals and teachers and parents told me that if I just quit drink and everything will be better. And and often when they told me that I was sober as I am right now. and my thought immediately would be if you knew how I felt right now you know how stupid what you're saying is and it was just ridiculous talk to think of me not drinking. like I mean really I can't stress that enough that that I knew and I was right with what I knew that not drinking wasn't an option I had to feel better and it was my only. Oh So so thinking of of perspectives of what's going on if I can be aware that my perspective is all I have and everyone else you know has their own to, and sometimes they align and that's terrific But a lot of times they don't and for me to thank one things right over another is SORTA selfish, right? Oh, or it's GonNa put me in a bad place at the worst is GonNa make me think. That things impure things are or judgments which that's a bad idea. So, so you know in all of these stories that happened to me. In my life in particular this one. This particular one I think that I got a little bit right when it happened. But most of the time there are things that I reflect on years later I went whoa an late bulb goes off. This one is one of the few that I think really from the moment that happened that it hit me and I got. I live in Minneapolis moving from one place to another. Quizzes word far apart There were about six miles apartment and I was with a guy and he had a gigantic. I don't know how big sixty gallon fish tank huge big hundred sales. I don't have any idea of the that. Volume Concept. Lose big and and He loved thing he took care of it every day he was. Sides and scrubbing the rocks and like using tweezers to feed some crazy crabs that were in there. He loved everything in that fish tank who salt water taken we. move the tank and he didn't have a car. Or? He didn't have a car with another truck was loaded all and wanted to get the fish tank over. So we put it in my car, which was the first mistake. Right at my car was a Datsun two. Like carrying that like how does that must've been horrible crazy. He dumped about he dumped about half the water out and. A little less than that. We brought it into this car that really had no backseat. It had like a hump and a w that the back seat looked like. So we put some books on the seed. And then drugs put. Put the fish tank in and. And and I was parallel parked on the street and I put my car I, gear and I started to we've out trying to pull out of my parking spot, and soon as I let the gas, go because guess and let the clutch out the fish tank like tipped. God. gave me a heart attack like I'm freaking out there water on the little. Quarter Window and and I I don't even know what to do. So I I. Stop a regroup I, totally ride my clutch and deliberately let the gas and clutch. Blend together so that I'm like. Rolling Down The road writing the coaching pull out a there's Minnesota in the winter. There's potholes. Really deliberately driving around all of them and and it's SORTA rush hour times with traffic's coming fast and furious the other way But my lanes pretty busy and people are pissed they're honking and screaming at me and when they do find a way, there's an extra lane or something they're. Role Laurel. And flipped me off and I'm like, wait a minute. Don't you see I have a fish tank. Just driving like really scared in the pressure from all the other drivers and thinking of. Do is really really tough. and I got some other place in was. Tapping his foot, maybe like that guy in wheelbarrow story. but he he immediately opened the door. We got the fish tank out and he measured the water, put it back and. I a little time we're buying them like, Hey, I get time to get into the load I'm going to try to grab another low before meeting. Jump in my car and I remember I don't have a fish tank in its white throat in first gear and I skied tires and they start driving like a maniac they could. It's so exciting all the stress off I could just drive and drive it's awesome. Dr Fasten MAKE SHARP TURNS and. I was celebrating that I could do that again and I'm flying on a road and it's a lot of traffic and I see card from me with its hazard zone and a flag, a ladder in the back or something and and it's way up there. It's way up the road some like keep looking for opportunities to pass waiting in the other not be crazy traffic anymore but traffic. So. Look okay I got to get there. I got a time this just right and and as I get closer and closer and closer, there's a ton of cars coming the other way. Feel myself getting hot. I'm getting angry and and and wanted just want to drive on a hurry up. I want to get this load I WANNA celebrate driving I wanna get to a meeting all this stuff to happen just right and I'm getting angry on getting angry and I'm getting closer to the car and there's no opportunity for me to to to to pass And I'm just about to hit the Horrigan with speed up 'cause he's going slow man. I'm getting ready to start my hands in the air to hit the horn and it hits me. Maybe the a fish tank back seat of his car. And and that's perspective right that to me from that day to this day. I. Don't get angry when I drive because you have. You experienced it and you know and now you've got. Yeah perspective. I love it. I love you I'm grateful her you. Now I'm making you out to Chris on my behalf. So he can do this with us, and because we need to keep them sober, we don't want him to be more silver than yeah but. Thank you so so much. I will hopefully see on Monday night because I want to join big pook again, curly all the Infos in in. have an awesome night. You too. Thanks. Bye Bye. Love you love you. For any listeners who would like to get deeper insight into my story I just released my memoir seconds and inches. It was a dream of mine for decades to write my memoir and while I do not believe in. Mixing money in a just wanted to share with the world that I did this accomplishment and it can be found. Wherever you normally purchase books paperback audio or digital I wish you an awesome day. Thank you. took.
Shaker Heights - Episode 1: A Scream in the Night
"Cold season can really slow you down. Ziad Cam cold remedy is clinically proven to shorten colds. When taken at the first sign while other cold medicine simply the mask symptoms find Xichang? HOMEOPATHIC products from rapid melts two nasal swabs at all major retailers including Walmart Xichang. AM products are safe and effective visit Xichang dot com slash garage to receive a two dollar coupon on your next Xichang purchase Welcome to Shaker Heights episode. One a scream in the night on the east side of have Cleveland. There's a quaint little town called Shaker Heights. It's a planned community originally designed by the van. Swear Jin brothers too Suwa centric railroad tycoons over a hundred years ago they built Grand Mansions and gardens and in the middle of the town is a roundabout with a classic movie theater and coffee. Shop today Shaker Heights is an odd mix of upper-class blue bloods severely poor multi generational families of immigrants who live on the edge of town where the big city encroaches nowhere else in greater. Cleveland is the racial and economic disparity of the region so apparent Shaker Heights is the best and worst of everything we have to offer. But it's hard shaker heights is still a small town Tom. It's a small town with a small police department used small town problems and on September fourteenth nineteen eighteen ninety. The murder of a young woman tore this town apart. This podcast revisits the murder of sixteen in your old Lisa. Pruitt who stabbed twenty one times and left for dead behind a mansion at the corner of Lee and South Woodland we present to you the mystery as it transpired. From the point of view of the detectives who worked the case each episode presents reenactments accidents of conversations between witnesses and detectives they have been taken verbatim from official court documents. A classmate of Lisa's uses a young man named Kevin Young was ultimately charged with her murder but was acquitted by a jury of his peers. You will meet Kevin and other suspects along the way as the police build their case against him and at some point you will have to decide for yourself to Kevin Kevin Young get away with murder or did a group of high school teams influence the investigation in order to protect one of their own on the mystery begins just hours after the murder as police sit down with Lisa's boyfriend. Dan Dreifort for his first formal interview. This is detective Richard. Mullany of this Shaker Heights. Police Department conducting an interview with one. Daniel are dreifort at the secret heights. Police Department statement followed by interview. Daniels statement please. How was discharged from the Cleveland Clinic at maybe two PM? Or either that. Or I left the compound at two PM and that was the thirteenth of September. I went home. I put my stuff away and rode my bike to school. That's where I saw Lisa. I surprised her. She didn't know I was being discharged that day. I walked around the school with her and walked her mom's car. Her mom was waiting for her. Must have been about three twenty pm then. I hung out with some friends. Friends and till about five thirty. PM came home and ate dinner. My parents were not my next door neighbor. Cut My hair. That's about when Kenny Workman came over. I don't know what time had exactly but was around eight pm and then my parents came home. We spent some time with them. And then Lisa stop by after her flute lesson. Listen at about nine PM with her father. He was waiting in the driveway. She stayed for about five minutes to express to me. Then something about that. This was the best day the inner life because I got into the hospital and she got her driver's license and everything was just going right then she said or asked if it was okay if she stopped by later. I don't think she gave me a time then. I was with Ken till probably ten PM he left and then I went inside and talked to my mom for a while then. Lisa called sometime between ten after nine and ten after ten and and said that if if she came over it would be between twelve thirty and one. AM The fourteenth September Timbre that she would just throw rock on my window or something like that at about eleven pm. I watch the news and then went to my room at exactly eleven. Thirty thirty two PM. Listen to some music and put away some more stuff in the hospital. My sister called midnight. I talked to her till twelve thirty. He said good night to my parents went to my room. And that's when I heard screaming coming from outside near the corner of Lee and South Woodland. My father said that he looked at the clock doc and it was around twelve thirty. We were concerned about the noise. He noticed that I had shoes on. He asked me to go. Check it out so I went out to the front edge of the property and I saw nothing heard nothing so I went back inside and suggested my father. Call the police but we both agreed that there was nobody out there so not really nothing we could do then. I went up to my room. Put some more stuff away I think. And that's when I remembered that Lisa said she might come over. I don't exactly we know why or when but it was at that point that I suspected it could have been her. That was screaming so I went back outside. It must have been twelve forty five. Am may be an I waited there for a little bit. I think and then I was gonNA Walk to where I might see are coming i. I went to the edge of the property then I went a little further I saw I saw her bike in the bushes. I touched it just to pull it out and make sure it was hers and when I saw that it was I ran back to my house and called. Lisa's uses house. Nobody answered. I got the answering machine but I didn't leave a message and then I called nine one one and told them that my girlfriends bike was in the bushes and I heard someone screaming earlier. So they said they'd send a car over. I waited my driveway in the apron. Now lead the police officer where the bike was. I told them the bikes over here. And I I assume he knew what had happened. He asked if I had touched it and I told him yeah. I asked him if I could tell my parents what was happening opening. He said that was probably a good idea so I went in. I woke my father up and told him that I thought the screaming had been Leeson that her bike was in the bushes. Then there was. I don't know a bunch of stuff waiting around. He talked to a police officer and eventually I went to sleep must have been around two thirty in the morning not long after that. It seems my parents woke me up and told me that I had to come here to make this statement. So that's it before giving the statement. Were you advised of your constitutional rights and did you fully understand them. Yeah have you been promised anything or threatened in any way to make this statement now I I haven't are you presently under the influence of any alcohol or drugs no in your statement. You referred to Lisa. Will you give me her full name and spell it he. It's Lisa Li Pruitt ally. Sa L. E. P. Argue e t t to to the best of your knowledge or Lisa's parents aware of the fact. That leads up was coming to visit. You know they weren't to the best of if your knowledge were your parents aware Lisa was coming to visit. You know they. They weren't in your statement referred to your next door neighbor. Cutting your hair would. Would you please give me her full name and spell it. Yeah it was it was Kimberly Lampson. Rathbone you describe the clothing you're wearing at the time. The police arrived arrived at your house. I was wearing Brown moccasins. Black bathing suit with flowers on it. and a t shirt from a UNITARIAN Youth Conference Toledo showing you a white t shirt brand name. Fruit of the loom size large forty two to forty four with with the insignia on the front and purple and Black Letter Stating Spring Conference Nineteen Eighty Eight Toledo Maumee valley and also containing the words the search for self and the initials. Why are you you on the front? Is this the sure that you're describing above that you're wearing. Yeah that's it. Were you wearing these clothes all day and if not will you describe describe when you change clothing and put on other close. I might have changed into the t shirt when I was discharged from the hospital. But I'm not sure I might've also put it on when I got up. I did take the T. shirt off when I was having my haircut and put it back on afterwards. I I think I took it off when I went to sleep at the two thirty on the fourteenth and put on a blue button up when the police arrived because I may basically because I couldn't find the white t shirt which was sitting near the close shoot. I was wearing a different pair of shoes. I was wearing the moccasins up until the discharge and then I switched into a pair of Converse all stars till probably twelve thirty. I taking the shoes off at some time during the night. Put My moccasins on to go. Check the screaming outside. Could you describe the converse also shoes. You're wearing size nine chuck taylors tie-dyed many different colors. And they're they're high tops. Could you describe what you remember of the screams. The you heard it sounded like someone with a female was being forced to do something they didn't want to do. It lasted lasted for at least fifteen seconds. But I. I can't say for sure a when you heard the screams. Where were you and now I was in my room which is facing and Lee road? It's on the second floor is a room On the north side of the south side of the House. It'd be on the north side when you heard the screams was doing. I was listening to a tape and putting some things away. I had a lot of bags of stuff from the hospital so I was just basic tidying up my room I would tape was it. You're listening to it was Rem's album document. It was a live version recorded in Holland. Not October twelfth. wealthed eighty-seven while you listen to the tape where you wearing headphones. No I wasn't when you heard the scream. Was your window open shut. It was shot was earth storm window on the outside of your window. And do you know if it was down. No not a storm window go. There was a screen a pane glass and in a shade. Half pulled down with curtains over that that were half closed normally would have all been shut. But I'd it opened it on the day before I left. The hospital was the door to your room leading to the hallway or shut. My door was open in adore leading to my parents. Hallway was slightly open and my parents door would have been slightly open. Is there a bathroom between your room and your parents room. Yeah but it's blocked off by a wall unit myron locked on their side so that I understand you correctly you cannot see from your room into the bathroom or into your parents this room. No I can't see anything. Not even the door after you heard the scream action did you take. I went to my window pulled up. The shade looked out now. That was when I heard my father say. Did you hear that and I said Yeah. Did you open the window. Oh Yeah I opened the window in my clothes at a couple of minutes later though after opening the window would did you hear outside all the screaming Continued so that I understand you correctly. You heard the scream. Your father yelled to you something to the effect. Did you hear that you open open the window and then you heard the screaming continue. Yeah was there any pause in the screaming or was it continuous. Now it was. It was a bunch of short screens. You stated previously that the scream sounded like it came from a females I correct yeah in your opinion. Was this scream from older or younger female. I I can't tell I don't know. Did you hear any words cry now or was just a scream no no words just just a scream. After the screaming stopped. What what action did you take? While the screaming was still going on. I went downstairs and out the front door to see what I could see. How far out the front door did you go of the door to the sidewalk? Rate to the edge of our property when you walked out the front door. What route did you take to reach the sidewalk? There's there's a sidewalk leading from our door to the edge of our property. It's a turnaround type sidewalk and has two entrances to it to walk out onto the the city sidewalk which runs parallel to Lee road. At that time I only stopped on one block or section of city sidewalk when you reach the front door. A- As you're walking out into the yard could you still hear the screaming. No it was. It stopped by then from the time. The screaming stopped up to the time you reach the sidewalk on the road. In your opinion approximately how much time passed from thirty seconds to two minutes. Maybe maybe when you reach the sidewalk. What did you observe? I didn't see or hear anything out of the ordinary. was there any traffic traffic on the road at this time. I don't think so So that I understand you correctly. You didn't see any traffic either. North or southbound down on the road or anything east or westbound on South Woodland and look South on the road and didn't notice traffic and I don't remember looking king at South Woodland. Not that I recall there was nobody walking on the sidewalks. No nobody would your father with you at this. It's time and if not where was he. My father was at the door this time when you were on the sidewalk. Where are you wearing the clothes you described yes? How long did you remain on the sidewalk? And and what did you do next. I stayed for about ten seconds then. I walked back to the House told my father that I didn't see anything. He and I went up to his room where I don't know I think that's where I suggest a calling the police. Oh so after you heard the scream. Delete your room and go directly. Downstairs announced side. Yeah after I looked out the window and answer my father did you. You see your father in the hallway on your way down. Yeah I did. Did you have any conversation with them at that point. Yeah he said Oh good. You're addressed when you go check and see what's happening after you went back in your father's room you state that you suggested that the please be called did either you or your a father. Contact the police at this time. No although my dad had his hand on his phone as if he was going to contact them but then we decided decided that there was nothing we could do. It had been almost three or four minutes since the screaming. Was your mother awake at this time as she woke up during the screams. Did you have any conversation with your mother at this time while you're talking in the room with your father I don't recall what what did you do then went to my room and cleaned it some more. I guess you stated you went outside the second time. Is that correct. Yeah it is. How long was that after he returned to your room? Maybe fifteen minutes. Maybe a bit less did did you advise either your father or or your mother that you're going back outside no to your knowledge or they awake at this time I'm not sure and I didn't check I. I understand you correctly. You went back outside the second time because add the time you realize that Lisa pruitt might be coming over to see you as correct. Yeah at that point. Did you think that the screams that you heard might possibly have been from Lisa Pruitt now. I didn't think that for a couple of minutes but then I thought it might have been her when you went outside the second time. What were your exact route to of travel? And what the actions did you take and also what did you discover if anything. I walked down our sidewalk to the edge of the property continued down towards South Woodland on the city sidewalk and then I saw Lisa's bicycle then I ran home. Call her house Scott. The answering machine didn't leave a message and called nine one one. Why did you call? Lisa's uses house was hoping that maybe wasn't her bicycle and that she'd been home and I felt that if it was her bicycle her parents should know described. The bicycle you saw when you walk down the sidewalk in the Zach location in relation to the sidewalk in your residence the bike doc was approximately thirty feet from my house in the bushes on the right hand side of the sidewalk and it was a purple girls. MIATA when you say thirty thirty feet from your house was at thirty feet south of your property long. Yeah how far in the bushes was this bike located not very far. The bushes are only about four feet thick. Until you get into the yard was not hanging over onto the sidewalk and I don't know how far into the bushes it was it was within reach. Was the frame of the bike. Parallel or perpendicular to. The sidewalk was parallel. Did you ever see this bike before. Oh Yeah it's Lisa's bike. So you knew when you saw the bike ride away that this was Lisa. PRUITT's bike. No I thought it was but I wasn't sure after you found the bike. Did you physically touch it at all. Yeah I grabbed that just so I could get a closer look at it. Then what did you do too. I stuffed it back in the Bush and Random House when you grab the bike to to look at it. Did you pull it out of the bushes. I don't recall if the bike ever left the bushes but it was in. It was in arm's reach so I might have lifted out of the bushes but I I can't say for sure after you examine the bike. Did you just let it drop or was it being supported by the bushes. The bushes were so thin that it was it was being like slightly supported so it did fall a little bit so so at that point. You had an idea that this bike might be. Lisa's after looking at it. Yeah did you call out for Lisa or did a deep do anything. Further checking Do any further checking of the area to see if you might possibly locate her. No was there anyone. You observed walking in the area this time nobody. What are your thoughts at this time? I was scared that something had happened to Lisa. So that's why I ran to the House and tried to call her on the phone when you called. Lisa's number which is what was two two eight three seven. Three seven three. The answering machine was on a that number. Is that correct. Yeah did you listen to the whole message. Judge no once it started hung up to the best of your knowledge. What did the portion of the message you listen to state date? It was something like you've reached her. Sorry we're not home but not I could tell it was her mother's voice immediately after you hung up you call call nine one one. Is that correct. Yeah I did at that point. You made your mother or father aware of your fears. No why not Too busy calling and running around. I wasn't I wasn't thinking straight. It was just like a rush after you called. The police will do random the apron and waited for them to arrive before the police arrived to go back to where where the bike was Did you check the area at all or call out an effort to locate Lisa. No have you ever had sexual intercourse with Lisa pruitt. When was the last time a two months ago when you last? Last saw Lisa pruitt on the evening of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. What was she wearing only remember that she had a pair of our fate jeans? When was the last time you saw these approved just after nine on September thirteenth in my driveway? Five way when she got into her. Dad's car do you remember anything else about her clothing. The last time you saw her such as the top she was wearing in order or her shoes. I remember her hair was down. She always wears a white ring on her finger and a chain around her neck. That has a metal nut on it like this. Are you right or left handed. I'm right handed to your knowledge. Did Lisa Pruitt D- have sexual relations nations with anyone else during the time that you had a relationship with her know at any time since you have known Lisa accruate to strike her physically. Never after you went to the sidewalk to wait for the police. How long was it before they arrived? must've been four minutes during those four minutes. You leave the area where you were standing for any reason. No I just stood in one spot until the car arrived. Would you tell the first officer who arrived at Your House I just. I told him where the bike was and he didn't ask many if any questions he. He wasn't very responsive after you told him where the bike was. What did he do? He looked around the bushes and then walked back to the sidewalk in front of my house and told me to go inside and that someone it becoming into talk to me also. He said it'd be a good idea for me to wake my parents. Could you describe W did next on I ran into the House via the front lawn. went to the back door went up. The stairs woke. My father told him that the screaming had been Leeson. The bike was in the bushes and other police outside. After explaining this to your father. WH- what did you do next. I took them outside through the front door because I believe he wanted talk to the police officer but they weren't site. I think I showed him where the bike was. Then at some point did you who again talk to the police officers at your house. Yeah about a half hour later. Had don't recall anything about the conversation except that I noticed the police offs or smoking. Could you describe any physical contact you had with Liza essentially released from the hospital I I heard her and kissed her when I got to school hugged her and walked into her mom's car at school. She touched my hair after. I had a cut and while at my house I hugged her and kissed her. She was leaving to the best of your recollection. How many times in the past has lisa come over to your house? Laden doc twice maybe once keys describe own this was and and how she got. This would have been four months ago and she got on Interbike to the best of your knowledge did either her parents or your parents know about her visit for months ago. No they don't have you ever known leads to carry anything for self-defence no do you believe that. She had any fear of being out on on the streets late at night. I I wouldn't know. Have you. Had any disagreements or arguments lately lately while we only ever had one disagreement in in that was in mid-july do you have any further knowledge of what happened into Lisa and the early morning hours of September fourteenth nineteen ninety more. Yeah one of the officers told me that someone someone living between South Woodland and Parkland had reported screens. A what time did you become aware of the fact that Lisa was no longer alive well well at four. AM when when. I was informed that I was a suspect for aggravated murder. Just a backup for minute. What time did you first hear the the scream? Approximately about twelve thirty a M. What time did you go back outside? Approximately when you discovered over the bike I saw a clock at eleven thirty two and then again in the early morning hours but all the rest it's just estimates approximately the how much time passed between the time when you return to the House after checking the House the first time and you went out the second time and discover the bike maybe fifteen minutes. I'm not sure but it might have been five or twenty at what point during the evening de Recall. All the you've changed from converse. Tennis shoes to moccasins. I I took the the converse off sometime after ten and switched into the moccasins improperly. Twelve thirty would you normally wear to bed sometimes underwear sometimes under wearing shorts sometimes underwear shorts shorts and a tee shirt and sometimes underwear and t shirt. If you had gone to school today what time would you have gone up. Seventy Dan on a school night would time. Do you normally go to bed. I couldn't really say because I haven't been to school in four months but I have to be in my rim by eleven thirty do you. Do you ever carry any type of weapon. No after the police arrived at your house and you went back into the the house. Were your parents up at that time. No they weren't awake when you woke your father. What did he tell you? What did you tell them? I just told him that the police roadside that the screaming had been Lisa and that are bike was in the bushes and he asked some questions and it came up that Lisa had mentioned she wanted to come over at that point. How how did you know that the screen you had heard had come from Lisa how I was only ninety nine percent sure I deduce that because I thought it was her bike and she wasn't home? Did you tell your father what you thought had happened to Lisa. I don't recall that I ever did. How much time passed in your estimation between the time you woke your father to tell him in the time that myself and other officers came into your bedroom an hour and a half two hours? I'm Jim know of anyone who had or might have had a serious disagreement with Lisa pruitt which might have caused them to Harmar. Uh No would you be willing with your parents consent to submit to a polygraph examination and reference it to the murder of Lisa pruitt. Did you kill Lisa put. No I didn't do you know who killed Lisa Pruitt. I don't who else besides you. Lisa Pruitt knew that she was coming over to your house after twelve thirty. Am on September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety. We talked about it in front of Kenny Workman described. Kenny Workman for me physically in where he lives. Kenny's about five ten slender kind of long blond hair shaved on the sides. Looks Kinda scraggly and lives in an apartment near Shaker Square. I've only seen at once. He's white sixteen years old lizard. His mother sister and his mother's boyfriend I think. Do you know his address or phone number. No He's better friends with my sister. He used to come over a lot when my sister was home but she went off to college and this is the first time I've seen him since then just came over to see me and my parents did. Did he have any conversation with or did he making Guinea comments about Lisa Pruitt. No he didn't. We were just sitting on some patio furniture for about two minutes. Not really saying anything to one another. Oh we did. I'd say something about. We wanted to shave. Lisa's hair. She she likes her long hair so I was teasing her. Then I walked into the car. 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PM The purpose of his visit to the high school was to get a schedule walk through his classes meet teachers perhaps get his locker at approximately smitten five pm my wife arrived home for more and shortly thereafter. Dan came home. He told us that he'd been able to get his schedule but that he had met at least least one of his teachers and talk with them and also he had a chance to meet several of his friends at the high school. We had dinner Dan my wife and I at approximately six PM after dinner. Dan helped me load some logs in the back of my van logs which were the result of a tree that was knocked down in last Thursday. Stay storm my wife and I left the house at approximately seven pm to deliver the logs to a friend of mine in Cleveland Heights and to stop at several stores store to pick up some things we needed the places we stopped at were. My friend's House Song Cummings Road in Cleveland Heights followed by peacock hardware rat severance center were purchased an electrical socket followed by heights pet world. That may feel Din Warrenville where I purchase fifty pounds of dog food and a bird feed cup for which I used my credit card. And you not bad Bernie Shelman at Cedar Center or we spend forty one dollars seven cents on selected items paid for by check we'll let Bernie Shulman's and proceeded home arriving there at approximately nine mpm when we pulled into our driveway. We are greeted at the backyard gate by Dan and a friend of his by the name of Ken. I believe his name is workman. Dan indicated that Ken had heard that Dan was home in wanted to visit. Since this was a long distance called Church to my phone the starting in time of the call would be accurately recorded by the phone company which is. At and T.. During that conversation my wife I spoke with Deborah with my wife speaking on the phone in the adjacent Dan and me on the bedroom phone during the entire conversation I was sitting on the bed and Dan was at the foot of the bed. Listening listening to the conversation at some point asked Debra if she would like to speak to Dan to which she responded affirmatively at that time. Dan moved to the Dan adjacent to my bedroom and my wife and I remained in the bedroom. Dan then spoke to my daughter alone until the end of that conversation and which was approximately twelve. Fifteen am at that time. Daniel went to his room and I began to read a book in my bed. My my wife was at first reading later turned over and went to sleep at approximately twelve thirty. Am I heard a shrill in lengthy scream coming from the area in front of our house. The head of my bed is against the Lee road side of the House. And there's a window adjacent. The window was closed although the storm window was up. Although we're used to unusual sounds and activities emanating from Lee Road at all times of the day and night. This scream was particularly distressing and alarming. I immediately called out to Daniel. who was in his bedroom? This was relatively easy due to the fact that we had a connecting bathroom between our two room and the door. My side of the bathroom was open. I said something to the fact of Dan. Did you hear that to achieve responded. Yes I then heard him move to his window facing Lee road and hurt the window. Being opened by myself immediately turned off the table lamp on my bedside table and lifted the panel on the Venetian Asian blind and looked out till he rode. I said nothing unusual as I looked out. I can't recall whether there was any vehicular the traffic at the time but things did seem quite quiet while I was looking out the window. Dan came into my bedroom. My first inclination was to run outside and see what happened. Realizing I was stark naked. I quickly looked at Dan to determine if he was more fully. Close the NI- seeing that he had on essentially the same clothes on that he had been wearing the last time I saw him. I particularly noted it and even questioned him about whether he had anything on his feet. Why then noticed? He was wearing a pair of brown mock since this was important to me because because I knew he could get out quicker than me. Dan Ran downstairs to the front door while I quickly put on a pair of blue jogging pants and a t shirt and a pair of sandals a slip on sandals. I quickly Rian downstairs after Dan. By the time I was on the first floor of the house. Dan had opened the front door in storm door which we kept locked and bolted and was proceeding down the steps and across the lawn toward Lee road. I may sell only went as far as our front steps at that time. Ask Dan if he saw anything. He was looking in all directions but primarily towards south woodland. and which is in fact the direction that I thought the sounds were coming from. Dan told me saw nothing unusual. I don't know his exact words but they indicated that there was no unusual activity at the time. Nothing looked out of place to me either again. The general traffic patterns seem quite as well at that time. Danae return to the house. Neither one of us left the bounds of our property. We locked the doors and return to the upstairs bedroom a dream my wife remained in bed. We told her what we'd seen or not seen. There was a brief discussion about perhaps calling the police release. I don't remember what my wife and sunset but remember saying or thinking that we'd seen nothing unusual and then it probably wasn't necessary what was going through my mind at that time was that the screams may been coming from a passing car and that the person person in distress had probably left the area then went back to bed and began to read my book my wife Turnover and went back to sleep. I I fell asleep after reading less than a page of the buck and was woken by my son that time. He was telling me something about Lisa in a bicycle in the police. It wasn't understanding while because I was just coming out of a fairly sound sleep but I quickly grasped that something further was going on related to the scream I had heard earlier. I still had on the clothes I put on to go and investigate the scream. So immediately went downstairs with Dan to. Let's see what was happening. Dan and I walked out to the front of the property down the driveway. At which point I noticed two police cars parked next to the curb. There was no policemen incite. Dan was telling me something about finding Lisa's bicycle and calling the police. I couldn't understand why Lisa's bicycle would be near our house. I gradually found out by questioning. Dan that Leeson he had communicated some time that evening. Doc and that Lisa had indicated to him that she wanted desperately to see him because she had not seen him much during the past month that he'd been in the hospital hospital. They had apparently discussed the possibility that Lisa would come to our house that evening. I asked Dan. How would he know that Lisa was coming? I mean and he mentioned something about her planning to throw a pebble at his window. Dan was at that point. Obviously upset distressed by what he'd seen. He told me that he had found. Lisa's bicycle in the bushes of the house just to the south of ours that information coupled with the screen remind heard earlier increased my own anxiety greatly. I begin to worry more about what might have happened at twelve thirty am I am. I don't know the exact time that all of this occurred but it will be sometime after the policeman had arrived and spoken talking with my son at that point. Dan and I returned to her house. Dan Sat and watched television on the the first floor while my wife and I tried to reconstruct what had happened and to see if there was anything we could do to help the officers. There's at the scene. Were quite preoccupied with their work therefore there was not much that we could do so he tried to keep out of their way at one in point my wife and I saw what appeared to be civilians on our tree lawn in embrace we immediately went out to see if there was anything we could do to help and immediately encountered the parents of Lisa paranoid at that time. We asked them if they knew what was happening. Mr Pruitt said it looked as if there was a dead girl in the bushes. He attended to move in the direction of the bushes in question and was restrained by an officer. My wife and I offered to have the Peretz come into our home until the police needed them. They refused our our offer and having nothing else to do we went back into our house. We came out one more time and spoke to a uniformed officer asking if we could help or if he knew what had happened at that point he said they were dealing with foul play and we began to suspect the worst. We went back into the house and stayed there until the plain clothes police rang our bell. At which point. We escorted escorted them to our dining room table and provided a statement which included some of the above. By this time Daniel had gone to his bedroom turned out the light and was asleep sometime. Prior to the arrival of the plainclothesman our neighbor across the street Mrs Hall Telephone Spoke Primarily Talk to my wife in an attempt to find out if we knew what had happened in the course of that conversation Mrs Hall. Use The word murder. During part of that conversation I listened in on our extension. My wife mentioned something to Mrs Hall about Dan's girlfriend and her bicycle but stated that we knew nothing about a murder. This was in fact before the officer had used the term foul play to us. Mrs Hall was obviously prying for Information and my wife tried to cut her off without discussing the matter. Further until more facts were known. Mrs Hall is something of a gossip and we didn't want to feed information to her. This is detective. Richard Mullany with Shaker Heights. Police Department interviewing one Robert C.. Dreifort dreifort what do you give me your son's full name please. Daniel Robert Dreifort is your son student. And if so where yes shaker heights. High School to your knowledge. How long has your son known Lisa? pruitt they'd been classmates classmates for at least a year as far as I know they've also been members of the marching band for as long as two years and I'm not sure if they knew each other in junior high school. I'm only recently aware of her becoming a special friend among the many friends that Dan has and I have I've heard him referred to her as his girlfriend a few times over the past six months. She's been a guest in her home on a couple of -CATIONS and I'm sure they've met socially through mutual friends and acquaintances and share interests. Could you tell me who Ken Workman is where he lives and his phone number. If you you haven't. Ken Workman is a friend of my daughter. And my son he lives in an apartment on North Moreland. Me have his address and phone phone number at home. But I don't know what offhand was there any friction between yourself and your son over his relationship with Lisa pruitt absolutely not in fact my wife and I had gone out of our way to invite Lisa to spend the entire afternoon with us when Dan and was visiting home last Sunday. September Ninth Nineteen Ninety. Unfortunately I never got to know Lisa. Very well only having met at her a couple of occasions but she seemed like a nice girl and one that I approved a Dan spending his time with. Were you aware that Lisa Pruitt was to visit your son between twelve thirty. Am and one am on the morning of September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety. No now the first time I had an inkling of that was when Dan Awoke me and announced that he had found the bicycle and the police were outside. Were you aware at any time. Prior to the above incident that Lisa Pruitt may have visited your son under similar circumstances. No I had no inkling that may have happened when you and your wife were in your bedroom just prior to hearing the scream you stated that your bedroom and your son's bedroom have a bathroom in between and at the door leading from the bathroom to your bedroom was open. Was the door or leading from the bathroom to your son's bedroom open. No so that I understand you correctly from where you're lying in your bed. You could not visually see your son in his room. Is that correct. I could not see him when you first heard the scream outside and you and your son went to investigate. Did your son come into your room prior to going downstairs and outside yes when. Dan went outside to investigate the first time. Did you fall on him outside. Yes how far did you go outside inside the house. The first time I went to the front steps could you repeat for me how your son was dressed at that time as near as I can recall he he had on a pair of shorts. A T shirt and some brown moccasins was that a white t shirt. I think it was white with some writing on it. My recollection is that it was the one we later found on the bookcase next to the close shoot. Shown you white t shirt brand. Name fruit of loom size large forty two to forty four with riding on the front and Purple and black ink containing the words Spring Conference Rents Nineteen eighty-eight Toledo Mummy Valley and also containing the words the search for self and the letters. Why are are you you? Is this the shirt that dam was wearing. That could very well have been head if not. It is one very similar to it at at the time I was more interested in getting dressed myself. Ain't getting downstairs the clothing that I was most focused on with. Dan was shoes. Because because as I said I was concerned that one of us have shoes on so one of us could get outside quickly. Dan has mainly t shirts. And if I were we're to have to swear to it could not swear that was the one but it was one like it from the time you came home from from the store at approximately nine. PM On the evening of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. And so you saw your son wearing the Brown moccasins. Did you observe him wearing any other shoes on that evening. I have to say that I wasn't aware of what he was wearing on his feet until I asked him if he had something on his feet and we were preparing to go downstairs prior to that I hadn't noticed what he was wearing. You have to remember. That was separate from him. Most of that period he was downstairs and I was upstairs to your knowledge. Does your son. Dan owned a pair of converse. High top tennis shoes which are multicolored or tie-dyed. He has shoes like Yeah you stated that when you and. Dan went downstairs and outside the first time to investigate. The scream was a front door locked because I was concentrating on getting dressed as fast as I could and rushing down the stairs and Dan was already dressed and going down ahead of me. I only know that Dan got out ahead of me. They don't have a specific memory. We have weather. I saw Dan unlocking the door in any case and it does not take long to open our door when you first heard the scream in your born outside outside. Did you have any thoughts as to what might have happened. When I heard the scream number one I immediately associated associated with female voice in my mind number two it was intense and somewhat prolonged? It may pass through my mind that that's another one of those rowdy kids or people in cars that we sometimes encounter Ali Road but there was enough urgency in the scream that it did make me want to run down and see what happened thinking what might have happened. It always occurs when you hear something like that is that somebody might beep deep being attacked. But then we've heard noises like that on Lee road where people clowning around or playing pranks a game. That was enough urgency in this screen for me to WanNa see what was happening side from that. I guess a lot of things raced through your mind at a time like that. Why a you were going outside? Did you anytime call your son to tell him not to go out before you went out or did you. We feel any apprehension about him going out there alone. I don't remember seeing those specific words or words to that effect and any apprehension inch I may have had was lessened by the fact that I myself was hot on his heels therefore I think I would not have had any apprehension anymore more than for myself and it probably would have felt better with both of us out there then either one of us alone when you heard the scream did did. It seemed to come from one location or to the sound of the scream seemed to move at all. All I can recall is that it seemed to come generally generally from the front of the House and perhaps towards the south end of property but can't be absolutely certain because it did happen happen kind of fast. I can remember looking out the window trying to pinpoint the location expecting to see cars or people and what. I didn't see that my next reaction was to quickly get down and find out what was happening. I can't say if it was moving or not in your opinion did the scream. Seem to come from a male or female and if you can approximate age as young or old. I've already said said that it sounded like a female and I'm not sure how to equate pitch with age so I can't answer the second part of that question. All I can say say is that it was rather high pitched which probably makes me think female. Could you tell me if the scream was a continuous screen. Ed or were there breaks in the screaming it was fairly continuous. There may have been one more brief. Very instantaneous breaks aches but the overall impact of it was prolonged more continuous. From the time you went back in the house after talking to the PRUITT's until myself sergeant read rang your doorbell. How much time pass approximately I find that very difficult to answer? Because is at the time I was not looking at any clocks and my wife and I were trying to determine what we should be doing to help and responding to that neighbors offers telephone call and this I may have forgotten to mention. We made one or two calls to the Cleveland Clinic nurse who had dealt with Dan in the hospital hospital so in the midst of all that I was not aware of the passage of time. I'm a windows are in your bedroom to the face. Ace Lee road and for others to face Lee Road to face south woodland and two others face the back of the house when you heard the screams which window to look out the one that faces Lee road which is the north of the two that face Lee road food which is on my side of the bed. Did you look out any other windows when you heard the scream. No we have initial blinds. First thing I did was turn off the light then. Dan was right there. Is there anything else that you wish to add the statement. I can't think think of anything right now. The following day this is Saturday September Fifteenth Nineteen Ninety. The police interviewed Dan drivers mother. Jeanne at ten thirty am I was at work until almost five o'clock PM. So when I got home at around five o'clock pm. Dan was not home. His father said he had gone up to the school so I didn't see him until he arrived home. I'd say about five thirty. PM We ate dinner around six PM then. My husband and I went out shopping at I think it was close to seven. PM When we came back at about nine pm maybe before nine pm Dan. Dan was there with Ken. It was shortly before nine pm. We were in the process of unloading the car Dan. Ken Helping US carry the bags in when Lisa walked in in the open door which we had propped open it was about nine. pm I spoke to her and asked her father wanted to come in and she said he was listening to something on the radio. Oh and would be happy to stay out in the driveway that she could only stay for five minutes. Dan took her out to the back patio. I went and closed the car down. Shut the doors did a few things and realize that more than five minutes have gone by so I shouted out the back door and told them that her father was waiting. I saw them go towards the driveway a few minutes minutes later. I looked out the driveway door and heard that they were still there and again said something to them because I did not like it that her father was sitting there all that time after that the phone rang rang many times our Daniel. I answered most of the calls and call Dan. Oh so the phone. He was sitting out on the patio with. Ken Workman before we left to go shopping. Daniel I know asked if it was alright. If he cut his hair he wanted to spread some papers out in front of the Hull Mirror and we said sure and he also found the clippers that we have and was using those as best he could when we came back home. He showed us how Kim Rathbone our neighbor to the rear had showed him how to do a better job on his haircut. He had obtained prior permission so that she could come over while we were out of the house. One of the phone calls I took for Dan. I recognize Lisa's voice but neither one of us acknowledged till we were somewhere in there. My my husband went to bed and Daniel and I talked for a long while about the hospital experience and who he had seen up at the high school that afternoon. I also washed dishes while I was is washing dishes. Daniels said he wanted to watch the news at eleven. PM which he did. Bob Call Down at that time and asked what we were doing and I said I'm washing dishes and Dana's watching the news at about eleven fifteen pm I went upstairs and at about eleven thirty one. pm I called down and said Dan the news over and he apparently shut the TV off and had come upstairs after that he came into our bedroom several times. Once I remember he went into our bathroom. I just don't remember what he said or asked the other two times but I would say it was at least three times that he popped in there at about midnight. The phone rang and we don't believe in answering the phone that late but we heard on the answer machine that it was our daughter. Bob Bob State on the bedroom phone and I went into the joining office and talked on that phone. We spoke for about ten or fifteen minutes and Dan came into the office and took the extension in the office and I went back back in the bedroom and close the door and he spoke for an additional five minutes. I went to bed. I can't remember if I read but I usually do turned off the light and started to go to sleep. I heard my husband shout something like what was that and I could hear in my mind. The Echo of a long scream. I put it that way because I was mostly asleep but I heard heard a long scream through all the rest of his. I remained in the bed with my eyes closed. Bob Sprang up turned off his light making the room dark so you can look out better as as he looked out or just after that. Dan came into the room remarking that the room was dark or black. I heard Bob say your address. Go down and see if you can see something for something like that and I heard him putting clothes on just about the time he left the room. He was right behind Dan. I think I heard vehicle pull away from about in front of our house. It was is like two sounds like changing gears with pause. I was very aware of it because we had just heard the scream. It's the kind of thing I listen for. When I hear something out of the ordinary I heard no other traffic the next thing I remember? Is Bob coming back in the room and I think he asked me if I should call the police and I said something like we're always calling them let someone else call them. Oh I said there are long gone what to use. What's the point? I fell asleep again. The next thing I know is Dan is waking us up and had a real hard time waking up so that I only heard little pieces like the police are here. Lisa's bicycle and I'm lying in bed with my eyes closed. Didn't WANNA wake up. Bob went downstairs somewhere in there. I realized that all this wasn't going to go away so I got up and threw on some clothes and went downstairs. The rest is really muddled from this point on. I just remember snatches like snapshots. Sometimes we were downstairs. Sometimes we were upstairs at one point when we were upstairs. I saw a couple embraced on the sidewalk. And I said Bob that must be Lisa's parents. Let's Dan at that. Point had already gone to his room and closed the door so had spoken to him before that. I don't remember what so we went down and talk to her parents. At that point we were under the impression that she had been abducted and we offered that they should come in or is there anything that we can do. and Mr Pruitt got excited at some policeman and I thought we should go back in. I got the feeling they might not be aware that we were there another time. I remember seeing the neighbor across the street in her nightgown and looked out the window. Occasionally and I remember I kept thinking. Why are they still here? We have wooden slat blinds. So there's no way to look out without physically getting up and lifting the slats. I didn't think this is where are they should be that they should be out looking for her at another point in time. I remember saying to Bob. They've got flashlights. Are Looking around another point. We again went downstairs stairs outside to again. Ask if there was anything we could do. We felt prior to that. We want to leave the police alone to let them do what they had to do. They told US someone. Someone would be an in in a few minutes to take statements so we went back inside and eventually someone did come shortly after. I saw Mrs Hall in her nightgown in front of her house. She he called on the telephone. I'm not surprised she asked what was happening. who had been killed and I said to our what do you mean kill? Did the police tell you that. And she said something like no but there is is a body or they found a body or something like that. I know she's the neighborhood gossip and I'm very careful with my. She might lead to conclusions. I told her we didn't know anything saying we didn't know about any body. Another thing she said was that the police wouldn't tell her if the person was black or white male or female. I told her that a girlfriend was going to visit Dan in response to that statement and I told her to please not say anything to anybody. I told her that much because she had gone great length about hearing someone breaking branches and her dog dog barking and seemed quite upset. She had heard the screams. Also another reason I was hesitant about calling. The police was a couple of times. Bob had gone to help people who seem to be in distress and it was a joke and they laugh at him and took off our swore at him so I always tried to prevent him for putting himself out like that when you arrived home home after shopping as you stated shortly before nine pm do recall what your son. Dan was wearing at that time. One of his t shirts and a pair of shorts shorts. All his shorts are colorful and all t shirts are white with something on the front of them. So that's it. Would you say this short sword light or dark in color. I don't don't remember. Do you recall what type of shoes he was wearing somewhere between the time of five thirty. PM and the time I went to bed he and I had a conversation about the shoes. He was wearing tennis shoes. I can't put it down any closer than that except I know. They weren't the holy ones at that point after we got home from shopping. I don't know if I noticed issues. Could you describe describe Kim rathbone where she lives in our relationship with Dan in your family. The rathbone property adjoins ours at the career. Line for about fifty feet. She is a classmate of Dan's at the high school is also in the band. They have many fence talks last year. She was his wakeup service in that she called called every morning at seven. AM so they would have to come to the phone and would help. Wake him up. She is going with one of his longtime very good friend. Who is Bryan? Keating to your knowledge does or did Kim rathbone have any type of romantic relationship with your son definitely. Not they're just friends in the body of your statement. You state that some time after nine pm after Lisa Pruitt and our father had left that female whose voice you recognize As Liza Pruitt called on the telephone for Dan. Do you know at approximately what time that was. It's hard to tell he got back to back phone calls else. It's my impression because I remember thinking she was just here that it was about nine thirty or nine forty five PM. But I'm not sure after Dean talk to Lisa during during this phone call. Did he relate to you any content of the conversation now. I don't think I was even in the room. I don't usually ask. It can on his phone calls. Are you aware of any one else who had dated or a romantic type relationship with Lisa. Pruitt no do you recall what time that. Ken Workman left your home on the evening of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. He was gone by ten five. PM for sure. Because I looked out on the patio I told Dan he had to be gone by ten PM. Did you see can workman anytime. I am later than that that evening. Now on the night of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. Did you see Chris Jones or any other or any other of your son's friends your residents. I don't think so I don't remember. Remember the scream that you stated you heard when you're lying in bed. Could you tell me approximately what time that was at some point while I was lying there from the time the scream to the time Bob got back to the room I looked at the clock and it said twelve thirty two. Am after you heard the scream. Did your son Dan. Dan Come into your room at anytime. Yes could you approximate the time between. You're hearing the scream and when you saw your son I heard come into the room and speak within a minute. Forty five seconds to a minute after the scream. Could you describe as best as you can if this scream you heard was from a male or female. Young or old impression was that it was a female. Not Child not elderly. Would you say that the scream team was from someone in distress. Yes was the screaming you heard a continuous one or was it. A series of shorter screams. Continuous could you estimate the time from when you heard the scream until you heard what what you stated was a was a vehicle pulling off from the area in front of Your House Dan and Bob. We're going down the stairs so it had to be roughly around one minute after. You're from the sound of the vehicle. Could you determine the direction and was traveling. Definitely south towards southland. You stated that you heard two separate dippers sounds as if this vehicle was changing gears. Is that correct. Yes I did state that it was like room room. It was a heavy sound. I remember thinking what what the hell was that. I hear a lot of traffic so I know a bus a motorcycle a sedan and it was definitely not one of those unless the Muffler was modified in some way because it have been a truck back yes after you have woken and you are aware that the please were on the scene and that something had obviously occurred word would conversation you have with your son. Concerning this incident. We spoke very little. I could tell he was upset. I asked him some questions which he answered. Pretty much and monosyllables. I cannot specifically remember what I asked him at the time as opposed to some later time just enough to understand that without our knowing it that he had arranged Lisa for her to come. Come over I remember now that he said she had said she would probably come over. I'm would throw gravel or something at his window. Does Dan Mention to you that he had found the bike. The bushes that it was. Lisa prudes bike. I'm not sure I'd already heard some of that. And how I found out those details I don't know when as I woke lowcock. There was Lisa Pruitt and bike and so when I heard it I don't really remember. Do you recall dance on you. That he believed Lisa PRUITT had been conducted. He never said that. That was in my mind zero anything else that you wish to add to the statement now. It is now thirty six hours. After the murder of Lisa. PRUITT police have completed their interviews with the DREIFORT family. How much of their story? Roy Do the detectives believe at this time. It's hard to say. Opinion has no real place and a serious investigation. You're supposed to follow the evidence. You listen to the witnesses you attempt to see if their statements match up with the facts you know as of Saturday afternoon though. Their pool of suspects is quite small. Isn't it but everything is about all to change at four fifty pm on Saturday afternoon. A good friend of DANDRUFF efforts goes to the police station with the story that it will alter the course of this investigation forever. He believes he knows who killed. Lisa pruitt I know Dan from band. I've known him since about eighth grade. We've been friends since then until now. I've known Lisa's since I was in tenth grade. And I've known Kevin since I was in ninth grade Dan Lisa than going out for a couple of months now Kevin supposedly as like Lisa for a long time. Now most girls blow Kevin off because he seems kind of weird we were at a rabbit. Shaker Square means Shane McGee. We're standing by Shane's car talking with Kevin and we were talking about Dan Dreifort and Kevin Young said something like. I'd hate to be Dan because he doesn't get any play and me and Shane McGee. Both laughed Kevin was like why are you guys laughing and we were both like because Dan. Dan gets a lot of play from girls and Kevin Young said well. He's not getting any from Lisa Pruitt and I said yes he is he sleeping with her. Kevin just freaked. He was like that asshole that asshole I hate him. I'm going to kill him uh-huh the.
Shaker Heights - Episode 3: The Crush
"Uh-huh welcome to Shaker Heights episode. Three the crush sixteen year old Lisa Pruitt was stabbed twenty one times by an unknown assailant. September fourteenth nineteen ninety and Shaker Heights Heights. Ohio a well to do suburb on Cleveland's east side. Her body was found about one hundred feet from her boyfriend's back door where he lived with his parents and sister. This boyfriend Dan Dreifort had been released from a mental institution. Earlier that day after the murder dance friends gathered to discuss the murder in likely suspects. We'll never know exactly what was discussed at these. Private meetings of grief stricken children but we know that after those meetings dance dance friends. went to Shaker Heights. Police detectives and said they believed Kevin Young had killed Lisa Pruitt out of jealousy over her relationship unshipped with Dan. The police searched Kevin's house and found no murder weapon or bloody clothes. Nothing at all to link him to the crime scene and he had an alibi as the investigation continues an interview with eighteen year old Stanley Kramer. Dreamer implicates Dan Dry. I father and a possible conspiracy of silence by now Shaker Heights. Police Detectives have interviewed reviewed. The men and women who had the means motive and opportunity to commit the crime and they've heard from a handful of teenagers and Shaker Heights high school who regard Kevin Young with hatred and suspicion. The case takes a turn that Monday just three days after after. Lisa's murder that's when the police detectives decide it was Kevin Young who committed the crime. What follows is a statement eight mint by a lead detective in the case which explains how F. B. I.? Pro Filers helped convince them it was probably Kevin who committed. I did the crime on Monday. September Seventeenth Seventeenth nineteen ninety. I was contacted by special agent. Dick ran of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Relative to the lease approved. Homicide agent ran. Advise me that he was the the case agent for the Aiming Bhave case and offered to assist us in any way he could. He further informed me that due to the circumstances surrounding the PRUITT case that he would need to inquire choir as to any similarities between the Mahalla Vic improved homicides. I invited agent Ren to come to our station in review our reports and other information that we had accrued each advised that he would visit our station at approximately one PM that afternoon. I was unable to meet with H. Wren when he arrived at the station to the fact that I was at the Cuyahoga uh-huh county prosecutor's office with detective. Sergeant Timothy read preparing a search warrant for the resident of Kenneth Texts Workman agent ran in agent. John done met with other members of the Investigative Bureau in Review reports and evidence from the Homicide upon returning from the county prosecutor's. Office Detective Sergeant Timothy Read Detective Robert Bert Shipping and detective. David executed the search warrant at Twenty six twenty six north Moreland apartment number two. The residents of Kenneth Workman see supplementary suppplementary report. By sergeant read there was nothing of evidentiary value located during the search later that afternoon while searching through several plastic trash bags that were removed the residents of Kevin Young during a search of his residence of Sunday morning. September sixteen of Nineteen Ninety investigators located several documents that contained writings and power phrases. That indicated that Kevin Young had some sort of behavioral problem. The writings referred to Kevin's disdain. For Jews Arabs and blacks you further remarked about his own problems with developing relationships with females other writings revealed as inner feelings when he observed couples male female acting out their affection for one another further further examination of the documents indicated interest in Satanism and neo. Nazism specifically skinheads. There were several documents that refer to suicide after after all the documents were examined contacted agent Ren and advised him as to what we had found. I asked him if he knew anyone. Locally who could review the writings in office in opinion on what they meant Egypt ran referred me to supervisory special agent James Right at the FBI Academy is Behavioral Science Section in Quantico. Virginia I attempted to make contact with agent right but was unable to do so due to the late hour on Wednesday September Eighteenth nineteen ninety. I made contact with ancient right. He asked me to fax him all all available documents relative to Kevin Young. You further related that he would review the documents that same evening. I gathered all the documents thirty seven pages worth and had them facts the agent right. The transmission was completed at twelve thirty four. PM on Thursday. September nineteenth nineteen ninety ten thirty A. M. Egypt right contact me by telephone and advise me that he'd reviewed the writings of Kevin Young and the details of the police report of the murder of Lisa. pruitt he stated that it was his opinion from the information that he it examined that the murder was definitely a quote neighborhood thing unquote and that the person that we were looking for new Lisa. Pruitt Egypt right then gave me a personality profile of what he learned concerning Kevin. Young he related that Kevin's personality profile. Definitely fit that of a person capable of committing the crime in question. He further remarked that we should look at other sexual assaults that have been reported in the past agent right went on to state that Kevin Young has no ego low self esteem. He probably probably realizes that people don't like him. Even offered some suggestions for any further interviews with Kevin Agent Right suggested the Kevin Young interviewed at night the later the better you described Kevin as a night person. He further suggested that the interview should take place in a non threatening environment. Not In an interrogation room. The interviewer must be able to bond with Kevin quote provide a friend unquote. The interviewer should be mature looking articulate intelligent he must not resemble Kevin's father bother or have an authoritative personality Egypt right than proffered the following interview structure. One don't start off the interview by being threatening but to create some anxiety in the subject. Show them something from the scene but it off to the side within his peripheral vision things from the scene might quote tweak him to to give the subject of face saving scenario to Kevin's good and bad quote. He lost control. He's not really responsible. In quote referred referred to his writings quote if I ever lose control of myself withdraw into an alternative world in animal instincts. Takeover this is from essay written by Kevin Young dated January Ninth Nineteen Ninety Three explained that the problem needs to be resolved for be. Be careful not to be judgmental five. Don't be confrontational and six. You can expect a lot of denial for a long long time after speaking with agent right. I advised him that I was not sure that I had an interview with expertise in dealing with the type of personality that he describes I further advised him that depending depending on laboratory results the success or failure of this investigation hinged on the interview with Kevin Young Egypt right offered to assist in any way he could other than personally conducting conducting the interview. I then asked if you would assist in preparing the interviewer. I told him that I would be willing to come to Quantico with the selected interviewer if he could make his staff available to us for whatever period of time that he thought was necessary. Egypt right reiterated that he would help in any way possible on Friday September Twenty First Nineteen Ninety at two PM Egion run agent done members of the investigative bureau chief Ogre. Nick and I met in the conference room. We decided at that meeting. The Kevin Young was our primary suspect suspect and that we should make arrangements as soon as possible to meet with agent right at Quantico agent offered US assistance and advised that he would be willing to accompany us to Quantico for the the interview preparation session after the meeting I contacted agent right in advised him of the results of our meeting. Agent stated that he would be available to meet with us on Tuesday. September twenty-fifth Nineteen Ninety at eleven. Am and that he would be at our disposal for as long as it took to structure our interview. Chief Walter U-b-e-r Nick after consulting with members of the investigative native bureau assigned detective. Sergeant Thomas Gray is the primary interviewer and detective Thomas. Callahan's key as the backup interviewer. He further approved travel expenses for the trip to Quantico for Sergeant Thomas Gray Detective Richard Mullany Special Agent John done in myself on Tuesday. September Twenty Fifth Nineteen Ninety it departed from Cleveland Hopkins Airport at eight thirty five. Am via Continental Airlines flight number two sixty eight B arrived at Washington National Airport at approximately nine forty five. Am We used to vehicle from the airport and arrived at the FBI Academy in Quantico at eleven am is scheduled we then met in the Behavioral Sciences Unit With Supervisory Special Agent James Right and three members of his staff special agent. Dave Gomez special agent. Greg Cooper a special agent gentlemen row the session to begin with US providing a detailed description of the crime scene all events leading up to the murder in all events succeeding the murder. They've Udal photographs illustrations in documents. Concerning the case each named suspect was described with the reason or reasons why they were still suspected or limited as a suspect their initial response was just to point out the deep anger that was demonstrated throughout this crime. They felt the anger was demonstrated both in the type of stab wounds in the force us to break. Lisa's rib the anger also. Oh show in the high risk scenario that surrounded. Lisa's death. They also felt that based on the crime scene that the knife was a weapon of choice. Not a weapon of Opportunity Egypt writing the staff than shared with us a profile of Kevin Young they described Kevin Young as a quote John Hinckley type personality. He described Hinckley's a person who fantasized about women from so far he further explained. The hinckley often wrote letters describing romantic interludes with women that he had never been acquainted with. They felt the papers from Kevin indicated that he had at one time had some type of homosexual experience. Which would explain his quote homophobia they described Kevin very immature and childish emotionally way behind behind his peers? They estimated that he the emotional development of an eleven or twelve year old and added that he probably had difficulty dealing with his peers but that he could function socially with both with younger children and adults. The also felt that because he was emotionally behind his peers. Kevin was threatened by Dan's referred through Lisa pruitt. They felt his papers. Also indicated gated. He had no self respect. Your profile Kevin also led them to believe that he had justified his actions to himself before he did it. One of their biggest concerns was that now that he'd she killed. It would be easier for him to kill again. They felt in many traits. Serial killer within focused on developing approach for the interviewer suggested that the interview you be conducted away from any police settings preferably in a motel suite. They also suggested that the interview conducted by one person not recorded in any way it would be easier for Kevin to trust one person into trust that person. If there was no recording of the interview they explained how to get Kevin to record the quote truth on-call after the interview they also reminded us of the importance of having a supply of pop and cigarettes and being prepared to handle meals and sleeping arrangements as the interview went on. They told us up front front that they felt Kevin would wanna tell us what happened and that it would probably take them a long time. They also suggested that the interview be done at night. The later the better due to Kevin's nocturnal tendencies. The approach location in wording would all have to be a soft approach. They stressed the importance of having enough patients to let him sit and talk to build Zego End to discuss his interests. They also focused on the issue. The Kevin must feel that the interviewer cares about him for the interview to be a success. Our approach was to be that the interviewer has the ability to help them to present the truth to the prosecutor and to be an outsider to the system that will help him agent rights justed. We could reinforce us with thoughts along the line. Line of My boss thinks you're killer and quote. We also wanted to express our concern for the urgency of the matter that resulted in early afternoon trip to Columbus. The initial setup of the interview was all soft tones and all aimed at building trust and confidence. They felt that given Kevin's personality that he would have a difficult time talking. Anyone one about what happened. However they suggested that his intellectual approach to everything could be used to our advantage? They thought his personality would let him explain what had happened. As the theoretical quote Third Person We decided to address the interview. I in the third person. They felt that if he was involved. Kevin's personality would encourage him to discuss. What happened happened in third person? It was felt that Kevin had an opportunity to justify and rationalize what was done than it would be easier for him to confess. It would be critical at this point to be non judgmental about anything that Kevin said. The next part of the interview would be indirect questioning. These would address our concerns in non-threatening ways. He's these questions would be in the form of putting him in the shoes of the person who did this to Lisa asking him things. Like what would this person with the knife with bloody clothes or or with bloody hands. The next topic was a polygraph. They discussed the importance of good polygraph questions. For someone like Kevin. The questions would have to key into stress areas of the actual interview. If felt that someone like Kevin might pass a polygraph with standard questions suggested questions were did you get blood on yourself and did did you get in a fight. The last part of the interview if needed would be the confrontational part. During this section we would present Kevin in overwhelming amount of why we thought he was involved oft Kevin would then be asked to help. The interviewer explained the evidence presented. We also discussed the importance of doing the same type interview on the parents. During the time that we were talking cabin Egypt right in his staff then discussed interviewing techniques to help build and reduce stress in the interview. This included questions voice control embodied positioning and we also discussed items to have hand. The first were some non-threatening pictures of the area. Where Lisa was killed? They suggested no more than three or four and we discuss how to use them. I'm in the interview as an aid for Kevin visualize the scene. The second item was a computer printout of our information on Kevin in a binder with his name on it and was tabs marking key thoughts. This would be useful during the confrontational portion and would add stress during the rest of the interview. We've been reviewed we'd covered. They stressed again that we had to show. Oh Kevin that we really cared got. Our job was to find the truth and that we were neutral and were there to present the truth to the Justice System Breath while detectives have decided to focus on Kevin Young young as their prime suspect. They have actually not yet finished with their witness interviews on Tuesday. They finally sit down with sixteen in your old Dan Messenger who provides important context for the final hours of lease approach. Life Dan Messenger also gives us Our first insight into one of those secret meetings of dance friends which happened the morning after the murder when a handful of teenagers teenagers made the decision. Then it had to be Kevin Young the weird kid in school who committed the crime. I met Lisa in the third grade at ludlow elementary school and since then I've been close friends pretty much ever since I met Daniel Dreifort When he got on the bus and seventh grade but I became close friends with him in German class in ninth grade? I met Chris Jones Tenth Grade Science Class and we we became very close. Kevin Young basically in tenth grade. I'll just say that. I met techs in the tenth grade a little while after we moved here on Thursday September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. I knew that Dan was coming home and I had talked to both Dan at least about it. And I knew if he wasn't coming at home on the thirteenth you become soon. I was sitting after school my German classroom when I heard some say. Dan and I looked up and Dan and Lisa together and Dan was waving at me. I immediately went out of the room and I talked with both of them and I was very excited. Lisa said that she should go and try to get her driver's license and so she and Dan would go and Dan would see her often. Dan said he would come back and see me in a few minutes. The German Room. I went back to the German room and I left momentarily. I went looking for Dan but I didn't find him until I went outside and I saw Dan Dreifort and Chris Jones on their bikes likes. Dan asked me why I wasn't in the German room because he had walked past it and I wasn't there I said because I left right away. We talked about trying to get together and we decided that I'd ride with Chris on his bike and Dan would ride his bike over to my house. We went over to my house and I got my bike. And we rode our bikes over to Chris's apartment. Chris apartments where we went inside. And we talk a lot. I was very excited. We ate some of Chris's snicker bars and Dan. Dan Heads letters in his backpack that he had received from Lisa that he had not yet read and was going to read them later. Chris was getting dressed to go fencing and so at around five thirty. PM He left and went to go funding. Dan and I also left and decided that we would go too Leslie Religious House when we got over there. Leslie gave Dan a big Hug. Actually now that I think about it we saw Cara Smith walking down the street. Dan Her hugged I. Then we walked over to Leslie's house us with our bikes. And that's where Leslie gave Dan a hug at Leslie's house. I began walking around a lot just being nervous for some reason and Dan sat and talked to Leslie Kara. We also went outside and Dan and Leslie his little brother through around football. We left Leslie's and went home and Dan went home so this was around six PM. I believe I called my voice. Tell Mailbox to see if I had any messages and Lisa had called it was five twenty three. PM that she called she was very excited. She said she had a great day and that she wanted me to call her back. I was going to save the message but for some reason I deleted it then. I called Lisa back and she told me how great of a day it was because Dan had gotten home and she had gotten her driver's license. She said she would be Dan. Chris's and my chauffeur but that we couldn't fool around too much because she knew we would. She said that she had to go to her flute lessons soon but she would call me later that night and then we said goodbye. The thing before that I forgot was that when Dan and I left from Leslie Riches House House. Dan said that he would give me a call later that night as well. That's all I know definitely from that night. As far as I can remember the next day I was called around five. Am I did not wake up. My parents received a call from Lynda mayor. Who is my German teacher and she told me what had happened? Louisa I was broken between five. AM and five thirty am and my parents told me what had happened. As far as they knew which was that Lisa had been murdered and that that had happened at Lee and south woodland between six. Am and six thirty am. I called Christopher Jones and I told him what had happened. I was afraid and he wouldn't find out until later and because he was also a very good friend of Lisa's. I felt that it was important that he find out in early. Two Kris told me that he didn't believe me and that I should stop joking around. He said that he would talk to me later. That day in school and hung up the phone about twenty minutes later. Chris called me back and asked me is is it really true. Catherine Schultz had called him also and told him what had happened when Chris called me back. We decided that we would go over to Catherine's house wherever Gina Raider Kristen Slang and Kim coal were also there. My father drove us over and on the way over we listen to the news report on eleven hundred. Am Radio Joe and this was at seven am. It said that a Shaker Heights girl had been murdered and that she was raped bludgeoned to death. At Catherine's we all talked in cried. And we've got over there. Kim Cole was talking to Kim Rathbone when she got off the phone. She told us that Kim Rathbone had told her that she had heard screams. Brian and Adam Keating Jeff Michael Charlie. Martin also went over to Catherine's that morning we all share the information that we all knew at the time around eight thirty thirty. Am I went to school. With Jeff Michael Charlie Martin and Kristen at school a large group of friends. Such as Judy Miller Jennifer Margulis Rachel Lowenthal enthrall Tanya MINUCCI were all leases and Dan's close friends basically gathered in the band room to share everything we knew about what had happened. Jeff steer you kept trying to call Dan Dreifort but never got through to him. We were told he was at the police station being questioned at second period around nine. Am I went to my math class with Christian slang who also in the class there. Reverend Hai Vaananen talked us all and tried to comfort us the next period we went to German in class. Where a lot of us who weren't even in German went? This was basically leases close friends again. A lot of people I've mentioned before here. Linda Mayor Air Reverend Devonian another clergyman and they all talk to us and tried to help us after this most of us went back to the bathroom again and we just talked about about the great things at least had done in her life. Midway through the period we all went back to Catherine's house when we got the Catherine's Ted full. C'mon Judy Miller Regina Raider Kristen Slang and myself went to pick up flowers for Lisa's family. We got back in. A few people brought these flowers to Lisa's house us at around two. PM Ted Folkman took me home because he was also taking Jeff Steer home and I had planned to go with them and a few others to temple that evening evening once I got home I told my parents that I was going over to the murder scene and I just wanted to see everything for myself. I walked over and I saw the tape. I asked a few policemen if anything had been discovered that they could tell me about. No one had anything to say at this time. Halley warn and Jennifer Jennifer shook saw me and stop their car parked their car and then they came over. They said they had talked to. My parents and my parents told them where I was at this particular time time I saw a man who had a channel five camera I walked over because I wanted to hear what they had to say. I asked the reporter if I could just hear his comments and that was it he said it was okay. He also told me about the three PM. Press conference at City Hall. I heard what he had to say and once he was done he. He asked me questions which I didn't really answer. He was more interested in about Dan. And then Lisa at three. PM We're at City Hall. We sat down in the second row of because we are behind the cameras. I moved to the other side so I can see the chief. Clearly I stayed for the entire time and when it was over I was ready to leave. A few people from the press. Came over to talk to me but I had no comment except to say how great Dan Lisa were both as people and as a couple. I also talked to the chief and said that if you wanted to talk to me I'd be willing to talk. I also spoke to the woman in charge of dealing with the media from the police. I think the public public relations stricter she was at this time. I did not feel that I was in the right state to talk about anything that had happened. So I got an Jennifer shook car with my with Halle Ali and Jennifer and we were driving planning on going to my house and I noticed that the tape had been taken off Lee and south woodland. I saw DEB. dreifort pull out of Dan's driveway. I asked if Dan was home. She said Yeah. Go on in. We pulled into the driveway next to dance and I ran up to see Dan Dan at this time. Judy Miller Rachel Lowenthal Christopher Jones and I were all Dan's house. I don't remember if anyone else was there. Dan and I talked and he told me that he would tell me what happened. Later when other people were not around a few minutes later at around four thirty PM. Dan's other friends left. I called my parents and told them that when Ted folkman called to tell him that I wasn't going to services. I talked to Dan and he told me what had happened that night. And how he was involved. Stanley Kramer was also there. Dan Talked Christopher Jones alone a few times later on that evening. A lot out of Dan's other friends came over but before then Christopher Jones Stanley Kramer. Dan and I sat out on his back porch and talked about everything that had happened at this time. Christopher was called to speak to Sergeant Grey Chris came back and Sergeant Grey also talked us. He said if we ever needed to talk to him or needed to say anything to anyone. We could call them also reiterated that we should not speak to the media if asked at one point that night. Jeff Michael Charlie Martin and and myself were told by Dan that he would show us where Lisa's body was found. We went with Dan. At around eight pm we went to the sidewalk and Brett. Caro- was was there and he was just walking and we all went with Dan and he showed us where he saw the bicycle from the night before a police car came over and took down all of our names and asked assists not to come by there again because we could either get contaminated with evidence or we could mess up was there. That's basically everything I can think of. Being busy doesn't mean that you have to resort to take out or overly processed food because thankfully there's daily harvest. 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This summer I got home from Germany on July Twenty Second Nineteen Ninety and at this particular time Daniel was at the UNITARIAN convention. He got home the following weekend and from that time on we spent a lot of our time together that is until he went to the hospital. I was within the night before he went to the hospital at twelve. AM At this time. Dan and I had planned for me to come back over at about one that night. We had no idea what was going to happen. The next day with Dan going to the hospital I came back at one. Am and I expect to see. Dan Sitting outside waiting for me when I came up though the lights inside. Dan's house were on which was surprise. I went to the back and saw Dan's father yelling at Dan because he would not go to sleep by. Guess fifteen minutes later is father finally stopped yelling Dan. Dan Came Mountain. Said everything was okay. We went downstairs to his howling commando room and we talked until around three. Am about a lot of things. Such as Lisa how much she loved after and how upset he was with his dad. Everything you would expect from two strange teenagers I went home around three And the following. Dan was put into the hospital. Dan and I corresponded through letters and phone calls the hospital. I got Dan's pay phone number from DEB DREIFORT. I called called it a lot but it wasn't until the following Monday that a kid answered for some reason thought it was Dan's father from this time onward without me saying it they thought I was his father whether I would call just about every day one time. Dan came home and I saw actually more than one time another time. I found out from Dan that he that'd be going to the severance bowling lanes. Leeson I went to see him in. We asked for the lane right next to because it was supposed to be our lucky lane. Uh here Lisa. Dan talked but we weren't supposed to know each other so I had a lot of correspondence with Dan for Lisa. I spent almost every day with her. We would talk a lot about Dan because we were mutual friends and she would come over or I would go over there almost every day. We sent him packages. She jumped in our pool with her clothes. Goes on and we basically had a great time. I think I've said just about everything about the summer and Dannon Lisa. Could you describe what you know about the late night meeting between Dan and Lisa and how you found out about the meeting. This was a normal thing for Dan. Lewis had been meet each other late at night. When I was over at Christie's apartment on September thirteenth I realized that Dan Lisa would probably be meeting each other the next day after the murder? I was talking to either Dan or Chris and they told me one of them. that. Dan had told Chris that he was welcome to come. Also if I remember correctly. Texts also told Lisa becoming over that night. Chris did did not go over that night. And that's as far as I believe I know about that. Chris also said that he was very sad that that he didn't go over that night because he hoped hope that he could have done something to the attacker. At least it would not have been murdered. Have you ever gone over to the driver's house late at night. And if so how did you you get into the house or Dan's attention to let him know you're there. Every time that I had gone over there Dan. I had planned on becoming the first time I'm coming over. There was this past summer. Nineteen Ninety damaged always be waiting on the porch. And when I came over we would either talk on the porch or go inside and talk usually in the commando room one other thing. Dan mentioned to me about this night was that he had not even remembered at the time that he was talking to his father. That Lisa was coming over. The only time we're Dan was not waited for me was the time that I talked about when it was Dan's last evening before he went to the hospital. I know Oh that in the past Dan and Kim rathbone and some of his friends had met neither Dan's backyard or Kim's backyard. But I don't know how they signalled each other. Are you aware of the incident where Kevin Young stormed out of a Rava. And if so could you describe what you know about the incident what you know about Kevin Young Cher at around ten thirty. PM On September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. Kevin Young stormed out of Arab. Beka it that's basically what I've heard. This is not unusual for Kevin Young. Who I consider? You're a bit crazy and I say this because in the past he has had a lot of problems with women and in relationships in fact I remember my nineteen ninety yearbook. Kevin said quote. I hope you have better luck with women than I do. Unquote Kevin it. I saw a few days after I'd gotten home from Germany in Arab Biegel. He said that if I saw Dan to tell him how he hated him and how he was mad at him he basically just told me how much of an idiot Dan was. I heard either from Kevin Young on our someone else that he had liked Lisa and that he hated both Dan and Lisa and then he had wished that he could kill both of them. Of course when you hear something like that happy in said usually do not take it seriously because most people have said something like that especially Kevin Young who has said that about many people it would not be out of place leased to be totally surprised if Kevin did kill someone. Did it make you an easy. When Kevin Young said he wanted to kill Dan and Lisa I can say that many things Kevin Kevin is said is made me feel uneasy but now that I think about it I remember this pretty vividly because he was talking about two of my best friends and when Dan came home from MM is unitarian convention? Why Kevin had said that right now? I don't remember what Dan's response was. Could you describe how Chris Young. Kenny Workman Workman Danny driver. Stan Kramer Kevin Young in yourself fit together as friends Chris. Dan and I are close friends. Stan is not got a close friend of Dan. He's more someone we'd see up at Arabic every once in a while Texas deb's boyfriend and because he was always at the dry for its residents. Dan Got to know him better and talk to them more. I had been out with DEB. Dan and tax bowling and a few other times but his friends techs wasn't someone Dan usually hung out with unless his sister was around. Kevin most of all was not hardly even a friend of Dan's or any of the rest of us. He was more of a person that we saw Arab who we didn't particularly like I had nothing against him. I just thought he was crazy. Dandruff for you. Over to his house. On the evening of Thursday September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety. He did not invite me over on Thursday September Thirteenth Eighteenth Nineteen Ninety. I think he may have said I could come over for a few minutes before he had dinner. But I'm not sure about that. Have you ever heard or have you you ever attended a party yet. Did drivers where robitussin was consumed by everybody. They're actually yes. I did not have any robitussin but one night rebecca boat right and Andy Conrad. Dan's house. I call Dan up that night and he said I could stop by. He told me he had some Four announces I believe. And how BECCA and Andy had some Becca 's house when I got over there. BECCA and Andy Bowl said how. It wasn't really doing anything for them. Dan said it usually takes a half hour for you begin to trip. Dan Ran with them in the backyard and circles and try to try to get them to trip he. I went to a bench or something at the back of the yard and would talk with them and try to trip with them or something he tried to do with me. Even though I didn't have any robitussin listen I kept laughing and he said it obviously wasn't working if I was laughing. Their behavior seem normal. I guess eventually they did trip. But that was never able ital- they seem normal to me too damn dry forever tell you need strange effects. He got from consuming robitussin. Yes he told told me many times he wanted me to someday try it with him once but I told him I would never do it. He said that there are stages to the Robitussin. There was one main thing that he he said it did for you. It just made you feel like everything was out there. I'm not sure used to say one specific thing but for some reason I I can't remember. It was not a big change in what you could think he would say. It was the added. Things you saw. All I know is that he has had one bad trip. I don't know how many times he's done it but I know the first time he did it it was at the s U SSI convention he attended. Did tell me what you know about the relationship between Dan's Reifer and Kim rathbone well. They've always been friends and just friends in in fact sometimes. They didn't talk for a long time but they were still friends. I'd ask him how he wouldn't talk to her if she lived right behind him but he said he just didn't see her. She was a friend of both Dan and his family. I remember during the summer. Dan's parents and sister went to Toronto while Dan stayed with the friend named Jamie Greenfield and Kim got the mail for them. They've just been friends at times during Middle School. Seventh and eighth grade. Did they would meet late at night. Especially when Judy Miller was Kim's house and when Brian Keating was at Dan's house because at the time Dan was going out with Judy and Kim was going out with Brian. They have been good friends. That is Kim and Dan. How did you learn that Kim? Rathbone had heard screams on the night. That Lisa PRUITT was murdered. Well if I remember correctly Kim Cole was talking to Kim Rathbone when I got over to Catherine's House on the morning of the fourteenth of September when she got off the phone she told us how Kim Thuch could have done something because she thought she had heard screams that night. Kim Cole said that sounded. I'd like Kim. Rathbone felt that it was partly her fault. I also talked to Bryan Keating who is still can rathbone boyfriend and he told me how Kim rathbone had called him around seven. Am on the fourteenth and told him what happened to Lisa and called back right after they had hung up and said that she thought she had also heard screaming that night the thirteenth to recall. Who mentioned to you? That texts workman's footprints may have been found near the murder scene. They believe that was Dan. Dreifort to your knowledge. How did Dan Dr Father Phil About Dan's relationship with Lisa pruitt? As far as I. Yeah I know he had no problem with it. I don't think Dan's father ever met Lisa. I remember talking to Lisa about Dan's father and the way he treated. Dan and Lisa said that she had never met Dan's father when he's been like that and she might have said that she never met Dan's father at all but I do know they met when Lisa went out with Dan weekend when Dan was home from the hospital. How did you feel about Dan Dreifort? Dating Lisa Pruitt. I remember the day that I found out. I believe it was April Fourth Nineteen Ninety and that was the day after they decided to go together. Lisa came in German class and told told me in. That was so excited. I remember I was so happy because Dan and Lisa are two of my closest friends and I felt so highly of both of them they broke. Oh Cup right before I came home from Germany in fact I think it was the day I came home from Germany and I saw Lisa right when I got off the plane because Regina was is going to stay with them. I asked how Dan was and she said that they didn't WanNa talk about it right now for the next two or so weeks. I spend all my time with Dan and and Lisa separately. I kept telling them how I hope they got back together. Because the reason they broke up was a reason that didn't really matter. Dan was just confused and really just wanted a some time alone for a little while and Dan was not home though when I had seen Lisa and from the first time. I saw In Shaker after I got back he told me how much she loved Lisa and how he wanted to get back together with her. Lisa wanted to get back together with him but she kept saying how everyone else else thought. She should be a certain way since they broke up. Dan and I were driven over to. Lisa's one night by some friends and Dannon Lisa talked and it was was obvious that they want to be back together. In fact if I remember correctly either that night or the following night Dan went over there. In fact yeah I remember. He went over there a few times late at night without her parents. Knowing during the summer on August third nineteen ninety. They were couple again so they didn't spend that much time away from each other really They wanted to be together from all my time with them. I think they really they did love each other. Next up in the hot seat is seventeen year. Old Rebecca Beca boat right from the subject of the conversation. Is Kevin Young so I know Dan driver because two summers ago I went to Germany with his sister. Debbie dreifort W I became close friends and through her. I met her brother and after that Dan dreifort night became pretty good friends Thursday September thirteenth nineteen ninety. Dan called me at about eight. Twenty P M. He had asked me if I wanted to come over later and told me a bunch of people were coming Over later and I said WHO and he said Chris Jones Lisa Pruitt and maybe Kevin Young and be Dan Messing her. I told him I didn't think I could get out. I was tired and I wanted to get to bed not was the end of our conversation. Friday September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety during first period at the high school. Will Dr Rumba said that Lisa Pruitt had been involved in a homicide last night and since nobody really knew how it happened. The basic rumor was that she'd been hit on the head with a blunt objects and her body had been found on the sidewalk corner of South Woodland and leave later at around one thirty PM. I went up to our Beka at Shaker Square and and since I was waiting for Debbie dry for it to come in and since Kevin Young was the only one I knew up there I sat down and talked to him. Basically he said has David as bad as everybody else's else's and I said well it was pretty depressing. I said it doesn't seem like the type of things that would happen in Shaker and I was really worried for Dan dreifort since no doubt. He's probably a suspect. Somehow or other we got onto the topic of rape. I said well if she was raped. Isn't there a possibility that they will find some semen sample on her body and Kevin. I said I don't think she was raped. I said well just assuming from that. They will be able to prove who did it. And he said while tests like that or one hundred percent accurate so of Dan dreifort did it. Then chances are they probably know already but I really don't think she was raped then. I told him that I had heard she'd been pulled from her bike around the corner on South Woodland before Lee and that she'd been hit on the head with a blunt object. He said No. I think she was stabbed. I said well that's not what I heard. And he said I'm pretty sure she was stabbed. Then I said it would make sense that her bike would have been found in the area like before you reach lease since from what I heard. Her body had been found on the sidewalk on the corner of South Woodland and Lee. Kevin said he thought they founded around there in the field nearby around that area. I said not that it really matters since nobody really knows was except police. He said yes. You're probably right then. I went to get a pink lemonade and when I came back I said some extremely psychotic person had to have done this and and he said what makes you think that and I said well it's not the type of thing perfectly sane person does then. He's sort of like sat up and said really loudly in really quickly. While I would only kill in self-defence then he likes switch to the Persian Gulf issue. He said what does for Breezy. Oh think about what's going on and I said he thinks that they should reinstitute the draft and to add women to it which I think is pretty unfair. This was said pretty jokingly he said why and I said since women the obvious the superior sex. I don't think we should be forced to go off to war and be killed. He said but you think people who are my age and are about to be headed off to college should be forced to go thirty killed and I said well. That's what for Breezy. Oh thanks and Kevin sort of rolling his eyes and kept saying my God. I should storm his house and kill him. Then I said said somewhat jokingly as long as I'm not shipped off and he said Oh because you don't think women should be killed and I said exactly he said I don't know about that I can think of a few women and I would like to see dead. I said like who he said. The only thing I want to know is if the. US is in the Persian Gulf because of NATO pride or oil and he kept on babbling doubling about this. I got bored so I told him I had to go pick up my mother which I did when you talk to Kevin Young Arab on Friday afternoon to tell. Oh you how he learned of the death of Lisa Pruitt now. Did Kevin mentioned anything about being invited over to Dan dry goods house the night before you know. Did Kevin Young ever indicate directly to you any kind of romantic feelings towards Lisa Pruitt. Yeah but it was quite a while ago ago it was like in the context like Dan was a god because he could get any woman he wanted and I said why do you care. And he said because she has a great ass I said why why do you like her or something and he said I'm not gonNa tell you because you'll go. Tell Dan I said I don't care one way or another how people feel sexually towards Lisa and he said if you where a guy you would. Have you ever known Kevin Young or have you ever seen Kevin Young carrying any type of weapon now on Friday afternoon Arabica when you spoke to Kevin Young. Did he mention any conversation. He had with Kenny Workman the night before. Now is there anything else that you wish to add to this statement now. Finally the police speak to sixteen year old. Christopher Jones a close friend of Dan drives last last Thursday September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety at the tenth period. I was met outside my tenth period class room by Dan driver and Lisa pruitt in several friends. I spoke to Dan and went to my locker. Got My bike out. In as I was writing I ran into Dan. Dreifort again outside the school. We wrote our bikes around the school in Meta with Dan Messanger we wrote a Dan Messing her house and he picked up his bike. We wrote over to my apartment. We stayed there until about four ten pm than they both wrote off on their bikes and I ran back to school for fencing. I got back from fencing at about six forty PM. I had a note saying that Lisa pruitt called at five thirty PM. I called her back but her phone was busy. I figured she wanted to get a hold of Dan dreifort. It had Oregon Ahold of him and so I didn't call her back again. Then I got a call from Dan driver at about eight PM. We talked for a while. He said that he was going to have some people over later in that I should give him a call if I wanted to come. I called him back at about ten PM. He said at Tex over his house in that Lisa might show up later and that I could stop by if I wanted to give them a call later I called him back back about a quarter to eleven. PM or so and said that. I wasn't gonNA come over that I finished a paper. I was working on and went to bed that went to bed between eleven NPR. I'm in twelve midnight. I got a call at six thirty. AM on September fourteenth. Nineteen Ninety from Dan Messing her saying that Lisa pruitt had been murdered. I I didn't really believe him and tried going back to sleep and I got a call about five minutes later from Kathryn. Schultz's saying the same thing. I asked her if I could go to her house because some other people were over there at the time and I called back. Dan Messing her in asked him. If you wanted to go over to Kathryn Schultz's health. He said he could pick me up and he picked me up about five five minutes later and we drove over there. We heard on the news. At Lisa died we gotta Catherine's health and Catherine was there shelby. Hyphen and Chris encouraged him from Germany. Mini Gina who is Lisa's foreign exchange student in Kim Coal. We stayed there about a half an hour. All the girls left except for Kirsten and then Brian Adam Adam. Keaton came over. Jeff Michael and Charlie Martin also came over. We talked for about a half an hour. Then I got a ride back to my apartment. From the Keating's I stayed there until halfway halfway through the second period. Then I went to school. I met up with some people there and we talked to several teachers about to death. Then we walked around until third period I went to third period. German class about half the class were close. Friends of Lisa's half were regular students in that class. We talked to several counselors and ministers about. Lisa's death. Out of that class ended. I went outside for a while about a half a period in sat under a tree. I came back into school into the bedroom. Where about fifteen close friends? Lisa were gathered talking talking about her. We split up after about a half an hour and then went to talk to certain teachers and we got back together and got rides to Kathryn. Schultz's house there. We talked to about twenty people at Catherine's House we ate lunch talked about things there about three PM Myself Jennifer Margulis and Judy. Judy Miller and Rachel Lowenthal whenever Dan Drivers House. Dan Wasn't home. The please searching all around the house and Brett Kuro was was there about fifteen minutes later. Mrs Dreifort came in and asked if it was all right to come into the house then she went back and came back to the House with the car with Mr Dreifort Dandruff. For and Debbie dreifort. We went inside. We went into dance. TV room basically there for a while and then a little bit later. Dan Messinger and Haley warned showed up after going to a press conference at the City Hall. We talked about what they had heard there and eventually we watched the news. Dan was pretty angry about being a suspect or the way they portrayed that pretty much from there many people came and left Ann's house at night eventually me and Dan Messenger got a ride from Scott Free Arrow to the PRUITT's house. We talk to Mr Pruitt. We went up into their house and spend a little time in Lisa's room on the next episode. We'll come back to Chris Jones interview with police but until then think on what we've just learned in the hours after Lisa pruitt's murder Dan dreifort is the main suspect. A group of dance friends meet up to discuss the case. The kids don't want it to be their friend. Nobody wants it to be Dan driver after that meeting the teens tell police. It was Kevin Young from that moment on the only suspect in the eyes of the police is the weird kid in school Kevin Young though not one piece of evidence links him to the crime. Hi while all. This is going on two of Dan's friends talk their way into Lisa's home to be alone in her room. In what world does that request make sense. What was the purpose of that visit with something taken from that room room? All we know for sure is that police never followed up on this detail. They never again. Ask Chris what he was doing. And and Lisa pruitt's bedroom
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"What is waiting? Why are you? Guys you've ever seen. Hills the Greens. And See. That fight! I. Don't have to tell you about the situation on the ground in your city but in terms of how it looks to the rest of the country and the President I teeing it up as basically an aptitude, the ability inability to control your own streets. Is that fair criticism? So it will shock you that the president is perhaps not giving an accurate or tooth will picture. We've got four blocks in Seattle that you just saw. Pictures of that is more like a block party atmosphere. It's not an art takeover. It's not a military junta. We will we will make sure that we can restore this, but we have block parties in the like in this part of Seattle. The time it's, it's known for that. So I think the president number one, there is no threat break now to the public and we're looking. You're taking that very seriously were meeting with businesses and residents. A. Might Trigger Sano show on Newsradio W. T.. Am Eleven hundred? That, was the mayor of Seattle speaking. They're saying it's like a block party. Jenny Durkan with Chris Cuomo. The videos that I saw. Those phony. Guns Rifles that they were. What's the name of his group? Chaz Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, yes. I know jazz I wonder if he's the one that started it. I doubt it. How do you spell it? C. H. Easy. It stands for Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. That's what they've. That's wartime. C. H. AS E. Jazz! Yes. So, what are they trying to do at the block party? They're just having a good time there peacefully protesting there. There are a lot of artists they're. They're making paintings. They've invaded the east precinct police department there. There's not a single officer that is in that facility built walls around themselves. They've got red barricades set up around this four block area. would. Gaining around yeah gods and. The same walls that the they. Don't wind. Want trump to build a build on the border. There are a little smaller, but yes same Louis yes, there are only about three feet tall. You GotTa Love Democrats. Wait till they get a charge. You think Talkradio's easy now. I'd rather let it be a little bit more difficult than have you know there's part of me I? Won't. Say, yes, no, yes, there's part of me that wants to see. Joe Biden get. Oh, how dare you? Know there's there's part of me that wants to. You know much fun will have on Talk Radio Yeah, and we probably won't have any commercials. It'll be gold every day really will. Get it'll be. Part of me that once the Democrats to be a judge, because talk radio would be so much. I we'll open lines America. Anything you WANNA talk about their special people they truly are. I don't know what they're doing in this country, but they're special people. I here's Kyle of the news. Thank you tread. It's three zero five. The Cleveland National Air Show canceled due to the corona virus. Show Executive Director Kim Del says that they'll regrettable. The action was necessary to protect the spectators, exhibitors, volunteers, vendors, performance, concessionaires sponsors and employees. The air show has been a northeast Ohio Labor Day weekend tradition since nineteen, sixty four, attracting between sixty and one hundred thousand visitors to Burke Lakefront airport and making it one of the region's largest annual events on average. The airshow draws attendees from thirty five states and several countries. Rob Bailey W. T. A. M. News lawmakers in Ohio rejecting a proposal to ban the confederate flag at County Fairs Representative Julie Branch. To Democrat from here in Cleveland introduced the amendment this week that would ban the display sale, distribution or possession of the flags at any fairs amendment was rejected overnights. Man Going to prison for attacking a police officer John Pogue. Neo was sentenced to four years behind bars. Thursday four assaults spoke the pled guilty in March trying to go out the eyes of an officer who was investigating a road rage incident last year. Businesses in downtown Cleveland that were damaged and looted two weeks ago will be able to get some financial help from the city as they try to build small grants to these businesses to help them with some of the costs. Incurred to repair some of the damage that was done to replace inventory, lost or damage David Ever saw the city's director of economic development says the grant money will come from the city's General Fund using some of the federal money received by the city to deal with the pandemic members of a House panel, looking into whether the first responders are properly funded as covid. Nineteen concerns continue opening a virtual here. In Texas, Democrat Eddie Bernice Johnson said many firefighters don't have the proper protective equipment. All the nights scene is answer bait. 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Somebody texted, not having fun with the current president. the current president. Did a hell of a job for this country where I don't know where you want me to start by bringing corporations, a lot of corporations back to this country bringing jobs back to this country. `ring the tax rate for this country, the funding funding, not defunding funding the military. This current president has done a lot of very good things. Of course. If you hate him, I understand that You'll never see those things. never admit to the good things. This current president has done. But you'll take advantage of them. especially in your 401k. So This president's done a pretty good job. He's got the media on his back. And they'll never point out the great things that he does and the great things that he's done in only four years being president. So it's. It's entirely up to you at it's would amazes me is. In Minneapolis. A COP! Kills a black man. And somehow you pathetic Democrats have blamed man on the president. That's how pathetic you Democrats have become. A COP. which they say was a Democrat or by the way. That's what they say. I don't know if it's true or not i. read it on the Internet. Kills a cop. I mean kills a black man. In Minneapolis. And you're so pathetic and so starved. With actual information. To try to get this president that you've actually blamed. The killing of a black man in Minneapolis on the president. That's how pathetic you people have become. Your. Sickening people I want no party you. Can't converse with you. I mean we had jazzy be who's been calling me for years yesterday? He's a black man. Right here in northeast Ohio Johnny B. has been calling me for years. This is how pathetic the Democrats had become. We had pastor Scott on yesterday. And Johnny B. Actually, said who is he to be talking as a black man to the president? because. Pastor Scott is basically a conservative Republican. That's how pathetic Democrats have become what they're thinking. That is just one example and what is going on in. Seattle is another example. it is just it's. It's Kinda Sad. it's really Kinda. Sad, it doesn't affect most of us. The ones that it does I really truly feel sorry for. There's no doubt about it, but I mean life will go on. That's for sure. no matter how many protests they have and eventually. the military will be called in and and these rioters than What's IT called Chas? People like that will be wiped off planet Earth as a wise man once said. So. It's going to get to that. It's GonNa. Be Sad when it does get to that, but. That's you're going to be introduced at a navy seals. Then we'll see how tough you really are. Our phone numbers. To one six. Five seven hundred eleven hundred. To, maybe the navy seals could go train and Seattle right now. What do you think? Absolutely right in Jazz! That four block area. We can find out how tough Chaz is that you know well, they would backpedal. Heartbeat I. DON'T KNOW IF I. Know. You would hope that they wouldn't backpedal. Well, we don't want to see blood in the streets by. If you have to send the seals in or the Z. crime in the streets. No, absolutely not absolutely not. You want to see that end peacefully trip this Jenny. Durkan Now we all know Seattle is very liberal. Leaning town very liberal, leaning city this woman. She used to be a US attorney. She has fought crime for her entire adult life. And for her to allow this to happen, and now she's backtracking. Say Hey, we never. We never told the police to abandon the east precinct. Where these member Chas, they're. They're in their chillan. They're hanging out and she has the audacity to tell Chris Cuomo on CNN last night. That this is the block party. Block Party Block party. Open Lines America anything you WANNA talk about two one, six five, seven, hundred, seven, hundred to one, six, five, seven, eight, one one one. WHO's first Kerry? Kerry you're in the Air Kerry. Oh, hi, this is! I'm calling from Cleveland and I was GONNA talk about Seattle I watched the NBC nightly news last night. Not One word was mentioned about Seattle. I called our local station. I said. You must be embarrassed that this is the one of the biggest stories of the day. Not a word on your nightly news about it I thought that was very pathetic. And Did. They wait a minute. Did they say anything to you know? They didn't I, and I just. I just I just hung up. An and you, you do of course on CNN or MSNBC. They might mention it for maybe ten seconds, and that's it. And anyway. You there so pathetic! Aren't they were Seattle? It's I just can't believe that they won't even mention it. Well. They could then and thank you for the call. They could end then in two seconds. Two seconds. jazz would be gone and in two seconds. If they wanted to. somebody at text in the two one zero nine five before we take another phone call Oh my God. We gotta take a break already, yes. Somebody texted set trip I was at the Beechwood protest yesterday. All it was. It was just an anti cop. Anti trump. Rally. The media is a joke for calling it anything else. I didn't hear any media coverage on it. I missed that. I don't watch local media much anymore. Specially on television I can't remember the watch last time I watched local newscast television here. I mean because. I already know what they're gonNA, say. But I didn't. I didn't in the Beechwood case. I probably should've watched because that wasn't covered nationally. But according to Texter all it was was an anti cop anti-trump rally. And I didn't see it on any of the local television stations websites. Yeah because president trump I don't know if you know this. You could pass this on Kyle maybe could use it one of his new stories under given some breaking information. You gotTA president. Trump was responsible for that crazy cop in. It was, it was a I'm telling you. It was trump spa when Obama was. President for eight years. There was never any cops. The did anything to a black criminals was there. No Baltimore Dan almost burned to the ground summer. It's one hundred fifteen in mind rights. It's a fact. That didn't happen when President Obama was president. Yes, it did. Come on. Our News would've covered it and blamed Obama. It's funny you say that, because I actually called Ray up one night and said I'm willing to go to Baltimore and cover this if you want yes, that that happened, and Ray said wow, so president Obama didn't get blamed for that. No, no pugwash can't be blamed for anything. Am might Jerusalem for more Taj financial retirement wealth planning fixed index the. Stock Market like a rollercoaster with the fixed indexed annuities. That David's been doing for twenty years. Stock Market Goes Up. You make money stock market goes down. You don't lose any money. It's that simple. And it's a free appointment. All you gotTA. Do is call them eight seven gains for you. The number four the letter you go to more tach financial dot com, great way to himbal your retirement money. Call More tosh now. Eight seven seven games for you. Of An hundred I don't have to tell you about the situation on the ground in your city but in terms of how it looks to the rest of the country and the president it as basically ineptitude, the ability inability to control your own streets. Is that fair criticism? So I know it will shock you that the president is perhaps not giving an accurate or tooth will picture. We've got four blocks in Seattle that you just saw pictures of that is more like a block party atmosphere. It's not an armed takeover. It's not a military junta we will. We will make sure that we can restore this, but we have block parties in the like. In this part of Seattle the time it's it's known for that, so I think the president number one. There is no threat right now to the public and we're looking for taking that very seriously were meeting with businesses and residents. Is that woman for Real for real. Block party they set up a Bouncy House and cotton candy to the kids. Bring the whole family, right? With this machine guns. The first caller day is really a spot on the media's not giving us a whole lot of attention. Have you noticed that? Yeah? I and I hate to do this trip. I'm not defending CNN but CNN last night. Did give have a decent amount of coverage to it? And Fox News certainly did. But other than that no, not not a lot. Wonder why that is! Well they don't WanNa. Make these people look back trip. Come on! Why did they cancel the air show? Corona virus social distancing concerns it. You can do other things. I don't understand why that one was. Picked to be cancelled and go to the zoo. Go do numerous things I mean that's in. Yes They pull the plug on it so. GotTa shoot for Twenty Twenty, one. Goes another ten million to the city of Cleveland? They estimate that the airshow brings in. WHO's next PAT. Pat The air PAT. Bay trip thanks for taking my call made on Lake, and I met an interesting guy yesterday. Rob Webber who's running for Congress in the. Ninth, district. And he's really refreshing I. Think you'd enjoy talking with them on the air. He's a West Point Grad. Graduated from West Point, he could have gone. Anywhere. He wanted to get his pick of where to go and he chose to be with an armored unit in combat. And he came through. That did very well Amerisleep. came back went to law school, and he was offered physicians. If big law firms instead, he started his own practice been successful with that. He's a fighter and he's GONNA fight to get into Congress that. He's GonNa fight when he gets there. He has a plan to win this district and plans, but what you how to work with President trump when he gets there. We'll we'll We'll read it down in maybe next week Karn. We'll get him on for well. Thank you for the phone call. These exit into to one zero, nine five brought to you by absolute roofing. The black organizers at the beechwood protest yesterday told the crowd to use their white privilege. To get people to listen. It was disgusting. White privilege. WHO's next? Albert. Albert. You're in the Air Albert. Thanks, you have. Let me take speakerphone. WanNa comment on something. You said not long ago. You said you were talking to a friend years. Maybe guy you're playing cards with and he said he was mad enough to vote. And that really stuck with me. We all have to be mad enough to vote and I'd really appreciate it because you bring a lot of common sense to the Airways. If you implore your listeners, everyone that listens to the trip show. We can't just sit on her keystones nodding our head. Yes, you've got vote and and we gotta take somebody else with us to vote. Because the Democrats drives through town with a bus. Up and they take them to the polls. Dave rigged it, so you don't have to preregister. You can register right at the polls, were so can we? So get your van. Get Two or three of your pals. Make sure your wife and your girlfriends come and votes because if we just sat around and agree with you, We're GONNA lose our. Constitution we've already. Lost our freedom of assembly. they're making really tough. GO TO CHURCH! I am or was self employed now I'm unemployed. And we have to get our right to work for ourselves back again, and you gotTa vote everybody votes, and whoever told you who's mad enough to vote trip. Make sure he goes in votes okay pal. You got it. Thank you for the phone. Call. Have a good weekend. Thank you very much. Open Lines America anything you. WanNa talk about phone numbers or two, one, six, five, seven, eight, seven, hundred to one, six, five, seven, eight, one, one one one. We'll take your phone calls after Kyle's news. Tributes. Three thirty, three this year's Cleveland National. Canceled because of Corona Virus, the event was supposed to take place over Labor. Day weekend in his a tradition that's been running since nineteen sixty four. The event usually attracts up to a one hundred thousand people to the Burke. Lakefront airport and creates ten million dollars for the city. In Ohio state senator has been fired from his day job over comments he made about African Americans and the Covid nineteen pandemic Stephen Huffman Republican from tips. City called black people. The quote colored population and asked if they were contracting the virus at higher rates since they don't wash their hands well. Americans could be in for more stimulus checks. 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And now they're asking that that be given to some equity or racial group says when can private group appropriate public property I? Don't understand. That's taxpayer building. I'm kind of a little, confused and It may sound like I'm criticizing the police I think I am, but I'm not sure why. The police won't do their job. I think it's because they were ordered and police chief. They like that woman and she's a black woman, flees cheap, and they display a policeman later said she's trying to do her job, but it's the mayor and that's coming down that you you have to allow them to have their block party. And I don't understand You know if you were I tried that what would happen to us? Well I. Mean I thought if you harm the police officer? That, that was. I thought that was a crime and I thought the police officer. could then treat you as a criminal. That's. Maybe I'm. Thank you for the phone. Call I truly living in a world I don't understand I. Wanted to make a little prediction here, the corona viruses as soon as this protests dies down watch. How fast the corona virus comes back. With the closing of the air show. There are already trying to tell you something. so I would not look for school this fall. I would look for another lockdown coming. I I really believe now that this is really a lot of this is becoming a political mark. My Words Watch and see. The Air Show I think I'm almost positive on my figures brings ten million dollars worth of revenue into the city of Cleveland just for the city Cleveland. Closing NAP. September fifth through the seventh. Now. There's something else common there's. Something else coming. Put a little note on the refrigerator. Remember where you heard that I. WHO's next Pete. Pete, you're in the air. Came Mike I got a friend you say. Please turn city and county. He said The words coming down that they're gonna go to lasers on. Their. Air Pistols. Because they wanted. They don't want anybody to hit any vital organs they want him to be. You, know right on perfectly accurate. And you know they want any deaths in the city by police. So My friend says at all that police officers. Kurt about yeah for. Aim for is that is a guy, Johnson. So you remember that? Yup Thank you for the phone call yeah? Yeah. I'M NOT SURE I Was If. He was trying to be funny or few is trying to be serious. And now that was an attempt at humor. You sure yes. That was an attempt here, yes. Okay. WHO's next Pete? Pete the. TRIP! How are you? Got Good good good. You know I struggled thirty two years and tomorrow. There's protests in my town. And I'll tell you something. Absolutely disgusted, you know. We've had several hundred policemen hurt or killed. During this process. and. The liberal media does not cover one. Not Once? And I gotTa Tell You my son's policeman and I think it's open season on law enforcement. And you know you take a look at Seattle right now. That's how Hitler started. That's how Hitler started. And I'll tell you something if Joe Biden get so much. President Vice opened up the floodgates for dot. Yeah well, you know a it's. It's a possibility. It is definitely a possibility. And if it happens I kind of agree with you. Out I'm kinda seeing the beginning of the end anyway here. I hate to say that, but I As we know this country, I think you're seeing drastically coming to an end It's it's. It's GONNA to be. It's. Well I. Don't have freedom of speech, but it's going to be on. The. trip. That's crushing what you just said. Yes well, it's true. You. Don't have freedom of speech. No I. There's no freedom of speech in the United States. As, well, you may as well take that I out of the Constitution. Unbelievable freedom of speech in this country. You kidding me. Just I'm left the shake my head. and. We've talked about this off the air, but yeah, so tell us what's knows how you truly feel. Go ahead I, dare you. Pass, we've got a lot of thank you. Yes, WHO's next Jack? I rest my case your honor. And the freedom of speech. Jack. Yeah go ahead. I just wanted to make a comment. I know you kidding at the beginning this show about. The Democrats took over how much fun you would have on there, but. I just want you to know the reason to media. The mainstream media is the way they are now. His because they know inevitably. That's going to happen. And free speech and at press spending gone. So! You're mainstream outlets and CNN and MSNBC. They're all jockeying to beat the approved prompt news of the United States. That's all I have to say. Thank you. You're welcome you're welcome you're welcome. The force maybe some truth to that. We've got one of the greatest text of all time and I couldn't even begin to read it I see it. But it has to do with the The. Don't even don't slip. Yes! Louis. Louis you're in the Air Lewis. Yeah. Hey. Hello, Mike Anyway was on the computer, looking up the average amount of deaths per day in the United States for the last four years right now. It's at an all time low. The seven, thousand, four, hundred and fifty two deaths. Per Day average for three hundred sixty five day year, and right now it has a thousand people today. Let's are dying. Really. Yes Even with the corona virus that out. Yes even with the garage virus. Check it out. Okay. So seven roughly seventy five hundred people a day die how many people they are born to say? A little more than that. I didn't check that part. I place to look for that but I didn't. So, that's in the United States right now are in an all time low. Date. For that for years for the last four years, check. I thank you for that. information WHO's next opalines, America, anything. You WanNa talk about two one, six five seven hundred eleven hundred John. Take is perceived taking my call. Hey Hey I just wanted to encourage folks. I actually worked in respiratory and. you know seeing what has happened. with the masks in particular has been appalling You. Know if you're if you're elderly or have an immune disease in and you feel better wearing a mask and that's fine, but I want to encourage everyone else not to wear them in public you know employees have to wear them right now to remain open, which is a problem in itself but If somebody sneezes. In you're wearing a mask. It can still get on. You can still get in your is. It can get in your ears. It's sounds funny, but the the entire upper respiratory. Tract connected so a masked. Is hardly doing anything, and it's causing you to touch your face away more, and I think of I think you're spot on what you said. A couple of minutes ago. Wave is coming under already prepping us for that and I think the way that we can. We can push back his. standing our ground and and not wearing masks, because it's a sign of submission, it's not health related. Yeah! I. Thank you for the phone call they don't want to. Start talking about the corona virus yet because the protesting and the riots are still headline news, but as soon as that starts the die down. Wave Two of the corona virus media will attack us again. They say wave. The second wave is coming. I'm not sure when the first wave came. Other than in New York. Because about half the deaths were. We're in three states over there. Why that happened? There's a lot of theories behind that I'll let you figure it out. But eighty percent of the country. didn't have a wave when it came to the coronavirus. But the second wave is coming. Trust me? They gotTa let this die down a little bit I. Hey I'm like to resign for absolute roofing northeast Ohio's most trusted roofing company. Whether. It's a total new roof or repair. Absolute roofing will take care of you, and they're the pros, and you don't want to turn this over to just anybody something as important as you rough, absolute roofing. A licensed bonded. They work well with insurance companies. Not Come Out. I'll tell you exactly what you need. If it's a complete new roof or repair column, two one six. Eight, nine, eight, fifteen, sixty, three, two, one, six, eight, nine, eight, fifteen, sixty, three, or go to absolute roofing dot com northeast, Ohio's most trusted roofing company absolute. WHO's next gun Tom. Tom Your airtime. For taking my call, I got a question for you. Is, this a dream. What's going on in Seattle? 'cause it's like I. Do not believe this trip I. Mean it's like I was in the military for twenty five years and it just. Why don't we just go in there and? Stop It, you know. I guess. My question to you is is present. GonNa, do something about it. I mean going to. Trump the mayor I guess and go in there and. Stop this well, that's really all. The president, and and thank you for the phone call. The president is basically whether it's the corona virus or the riots or the protesting basically done. A good job of leaving it up to each individual state, the governor's the mayor's and they they handle the problem, not the federal government. If, it gets completely out of hand than the federal government will have to come step in if the federal government sends the military. IT'S GONNA GET A. I. Don't think the military will neal. the way the police did in some cases in some cases. So and I'm pretty sure that anybody. With any common sense knows the last resort is the military. When you send the military and those rioters, those chaz stoves ANTIFA whoever it may be They got a major headache and they're going to get killed. Is What's going to happen? Because if you attack the military, the military is not going to retreat. And the military is not going to take me. So, I think that's why the president is is hesitating. And he's leaving it to each individual state. I think the president has done a great job by leaving whether it's the corona virus, or whether it's this situation I think he's left the majority of it up to each individual state. Unfortunately, you got spineless. Jay's the governor up there, and he should have called in the National Guard when things started the tip or take a turn for the worse, and he didn't. That's his problem. That's his problem. WHO's next Lou, Lou. Lou Yeah, you know. Let's think about this real seriously. This is called social strip mining. This is ripping apart. America. We're supposed to Pharma more perfect union. We've got a government that does things properly take things, too? You Know Your Your City Hall and there's a due process with everything. Wouldn't you agree with that? That's what we've. We've got taxes. We pay taxes what they need to do in Seattle is shut the power off, turn the electric off in that city. Turn the water off in that area in that neighborhood. And now you've got no lights. You've got no water and you've got no police now. See how like communal. These people aren't huddled utopia like everything's going to be like so perfect. That's why we pay taxes. We pay taxes for protection when you agree. Well, but if you do that, innocent people are going to suffer. No well, no, the people want to be in that loan. Let them be in that swells in the power off their. They don't WanNa. Pay Taxes. They don't want to have police screw them. That well Lou a lot of. Off. Go ahead you're if. You're talking just about. The group COBB Jazz. At six block neighborhood. Yeah, turn the power off. Then see how happy they are a lot of those people. Are there intense I mean they're sleeping on the streets. It's not going to affect them and they've got people. Bring them food and water. Well, this shouldn't be happening and it, AIN'T GONNA happen here in Cleveland because there's a lot of great people here in Cleveland that aren't GonNa. Put up with it, and we'll stand in front of City Hall and in front of our cities with everything we have, and we will fight those people, so their blood runs in the streets. This isn't GonNa Happen in America. Ain't GonNa Happen I'll just let's let everybody remember that this is not going to happen here. It would two weeks ago. It happened in Cleveland on a Saturday. Well. Nobody thought that that was the intense. And then why would you didn't let anybody come close to city hall where it's so close to the jail and spray paint right on City Hall. Otherwise this is planned, and this is bigger than you. And I and our little brings. Don't know there's something else behind this the only thing I think. That's what it is, but it's not I think. Yeah, thank you for the phone call. My little brain has been telling you for quite a while. What I learned as a very young person in history class. from the the man called Crus-, Jeff, we will take you over from within. I was told that as a very young man. That's what Khrushchev said. Years and years and years ago. And I've been trying to tell you for a long long time. There's nobody that's going to mess with our military. There's nobody can attack these shores, okay. You might have some individual terrorist attacks, but no country is going to attack us. They can't with our military. It's impossible. Cruise Jeff look it up. Fact when we come back after the news, I'll have Carmen. Read it word for word for it. we will take you over from within without firing a shot. That's what Russia's said to the United States of America. You are seeing a form that happening. The last so many years. The destruction of the family. which gets no publicity then? It's only a topic on. Talk shows periodically. But the media never covers the destruction of the family. And the destruction of the family is the number one way to start a takeover from within. And that's been going on now for decades, the destruction of the family. The removing of God, They're making Christians religious people. Bad People. Starting. Controversy. Between races between. Ages between genders between wealth here in the United States. That's another way of taking you over from within, and that's all being done. My God I gotTa Tenth Grade. Education and I could see it okay. I mean think about it in this country right now. They're making the young Haiti old. MILLENNIALS millennials millennials. Hell I fall Ford all the time I. Laugh at millennials all the time. So the Haiti all the men hate the women. There's now sixteen different genders. And then you get into wealth. The wealthy they they just keep their mouth shut and keep making more money. But look at all the hatred. That is directed towards the wealthy people in this country. You have everybody hating. You have races now. They're pitting again against each other. This is. Whether you're white or black. Hispanic Asian doesn't really matter. Latino okay if you love this country. Can't you see what's going on? There pitting everybody and everything. In our system against each other everything is bad. Our system is bad. They have to go back over a hundred and fifty years the. Hundred Years the burn down statues that represent this represent were so past that nonsense. It's unbelievable. We're so past slavery for an example. We're so past the Holocaust even though that wasn't us, but we defended that. And made sure. It ended what Hitler. We're so past all this stuff with the American Indians. beat. You WanNa live. Two hundred three hundred one hundred years ago. We're past that, but now to fuel the fire. Christopher Columbus statue is bad. I mean whether Christopher. Columbus founded America or not at that. That's beside the point, okay? I think a lot of people say landed. He didn't really land on and here in America landed in Bermuda or somewhere. Isn't it the way it goes or something? The somewhere in the Caribbean! Yeah. And maybe like the weather better down. They're beautiful. They're. Beautiful today Cleveland. Go ahead. That's all they can do is is. We're in the year two thousand and think about this. We're in the year two thousand twenty. You sure there's nobody alive that even remembers was part of slavery. And we're using that to fuel the fire slavery right now. Slavery. It's two thousand and twenty emancipation proclamation was what eighteen sixty eight. Is Kyle the news. It's four Oh. Four. The Cleveland National Air. Show canceled due to Kobe nineteen or show executive director Kim Del says that they'll regrettable. The action was necessary to protect the spectators, exhibitors, volunteers, vendors, performers, concessionaires, sponsors and employees. The air show has been a northeast Ohio Labor Day weekend tradition since nineteen, sixty, four, attracting between sixty and one hundred thousand visitors to Lakefront airport, and making it. 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Zone you look at Seattle that what's that all about how? How do they allow that to happen? That's just a bad philosophy. Protesters took over the streets in front of a police precinct. Have now barricaded themselves in the president threatened intervention. If the Seattle mayor in Washington governor don't take back their streets, and racism and discrimination continues to make headlines whether it's peaceful protests, violence kids may have a few questions about it. Cleveland Clinic Children's psychologists dodger. Emily mud says it's important to teach them to be kind respectful to all people and to stand up for equality. Families, hands send is that people are all equal. That is a really good message. Just enter children, but unfortunately that is message that white children are receiving and black children are receiving a message that people may not like them because of the color of the skin. That's not okay, so we need to teach children to not only be allies to be activist. She adds including children and diverse activities in groups while they're young, can also help decrease decrease prejudice on Wall Street the now currently up one point nine percent that's four hundred and seventy seven points and Nasdaq up one percent. That's ninety six points in the S. and P. Five hundred up one point three percent that is about thirty nine points. Am Sports camps in the NFL this summer that means the first on the field workouts for the browns won't begin until the opening training camp July. Twenty eighth and ESPN is reporting the browns and Defensive End Myles. Garrett are working on a megadeal. Garrett still has two years left on his rookie contract. No word what a massive deal would mean annually but pass rushers. Sanchez Chicago's Khalil, Mack and the cowboys, demarcus Lawrence average, twenty three and a half, million and twenty one million dollars a year respectively I'm home of the Indians Cavaliers Carmen Angelo newsradio am eleven hundred. Traffic and weather together mornings and afternoons. Levin hundred. Coppola Gray texture. Before we go back to the phone lines, you can text us at two one, zero, nine, five brought to you by absolute roofing. to one zero nine five. You text us. Or you can call us to one six five seven hundred eleven hundred. Or. Two, one, six, five, seven, eight, one, one one one. Look at the ages of most protesters. We're seeing the real results of how our kids have. been educated the last ten fifteen years. They have been told our kids that America is evil in our founding is wronged. Another text. Drift. The devil is smiling ear to ear right now. Data's being forced out of the pitcher. And people are surprised. Guide is losing his patience. I would agree with that. Definitely agree. You found the cruise. Jeff quote yes Nikita, Khrushchev at the Polish embassy in Moscow, November eighteen, thousand, nine, hundred fifty six trips, said we will take America, without firing a shot, we will bury you. We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism until they awaken one day. The find that they have communism. We do not have to invade the United States. We will destroy you from within. That was set in nineteen fifty-six forty four sixty four years ago and I remember learning that in grade school and High School Khrushchev's quote. Of course they don't teach that anymore. Probably young kids in their teens if they're listening twenties, maybe even thirty of probably never even heard that quote. By Cruise Jeff. we were taught that when we're in school. And that's exactly what is happening. I'll have carmen. Read it again, just the second. So you can absorb it word by word. And this is what I told you. We have politicians in this country that technically are Americans. But they're not Americans. They're they're they're not Americans. I mean we have politicians in this country that our elected officials that are literally? Would love to see America fall as we know it. As, we know it. Okay Khrushchev, said this nineteen, fifty-six, now two, thousand and twenty. Tell me it's not coming true. Take a listen here. We will take America without firing a shot. We will bury you. We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism until they awaken one day to find that they have communism. We do not have to invade the United States. We will destroy from within. Exactly. Exactly what's going on? Again, you won't hear. I've been talking about that for. My Radio Career Khrushchev's Clo-. Because it bothered me. An Open my eyes. As a teenager that had certainly had a profound effect on you. and. You don't have any things that I was taught in grade, school and high school that. That went in one ear and out the other. That stock. That stock and anybody that's listened to me. I'm not just bring it up today I've brought that up for years. About I I try to tell people this. They argue with me. Because there are so many really dumb naive people in this country. There's nobody GonNa for what military our shores never. GonNa. Be attacked. Well. They could have been if we'd have kept the funding the military. But trump took care that for years. I'm an Obama left. The military didn't even have the proper ammunition. That's how much their budget was cut. Trip, let me ask you took. There's nobody that's gonNA attack our shores. Nobody nobody no, not they know you worried about China I. Get a kick out or worried about North Korea. That man's a crazy man in North Korea. Are you kidding me? We'd blow was nukes up right over his own country? We destroy him. WHAT HIS OWN NUKES! Nobody's GONNA. Fool with us. What our military they know that. Even if they could even say China China knows it's going to basically and them, too. So no one's GonNa fool with us. No one can, nobody can fool with our military. But the sold then, how do you take over? How do you destroy a country? They know it's so amazing to me that this is still going on in the year two thousand and twenty. And I? I don't know why. Why does Russia WanNa destroy the United States. Why would the United States wanted to destroy Russia? Do you really care about Russia? or Russian citizen and you're living your life. Life's too short. Do you really care about the United States? You know pathetic of a person you have to be. To want to destroy other countries just to destroy him. But anyway. The United States will be taken over from within, and you're seeing it and you know who the big problem. The texture hit it right on the head. Right on the head. This is the propaganda that's being taught in your schools. I mean if there's one thing. That I could get don if I was. If I say I, was the president. You know what I would do. You can laugh all you want, and you could call it a form of communism. You could call it whatever it is you want. There would be especially with today's technology. You can do it now years ago. You couldn't do it. You could do it now. These schools are absolutely corrupt. These colleges I- ridiculous with teaching, young kids just like the texture set okay. There should be cameras. In every classroom. And you as a parent. have an APP on your phone and you can actually hear what the teacher is saying to this class. And if you and if you have if you have a teacher. That is going out of her way or his way, not blaming all teachers, but we know how that look at Oberlin. You. Hear them trying to influence your kid either way politically instead of teaching their influencing. That teacher needs to be removed. And now you have the proof on your APP. There should be a camera I. don't care if it's grade school, high school or College. So you as a parent can hear every word that is said. Difficult, this for parents tried to explain what's going on to kids. Because of some teachers influencing the kids during school. Driven the kids don't want to hear it from their parents. They're more apt to believe in instructor, especially in higher education than their parents. About that no I. Don't want to hear it from teachers either. And I'm telling you you're you're right. It's early. Colleges starting earlier and earlier. Even my daughter's come on with these ideas. And where are you getting the stuff from? Right and then now you got it on your APP, and now you can go to the principal and say here. Here's what's being taught in your classes I want to teach removed in it. There's enough complaints about the teacher, the teacher him or her as removed. They're there to teach, not preach. There they're. The texture. Hit right on the head. It's I mean. I would think twice about sending my kid to school, and if I did send my kid to school. High College I'm talking about college. I as a parent would do a lot of preaching. Me As a parent I would really do. Chinese made electrics and. Would sense. Does that make? But you like my APP idea absolutely I'm one hundred percent behind it. My daughter, who's still in college? She's very very liberal and I encourage her to be an independent woman, an independent thinker. But, we are at very polar ends of the spectrum. And I would love to know which earning. Am Santa for. SEAVER security homer business baby. They protect my home. My son's restaurant strong Zule seaver securities the best they really are. And their call centers local. They have all the technology and again. If you have a problem you're. The call centers right here in northeast Ohio. That's huge to me. That's one of the reasons. I've endorsed were security for years plus they're the best. And right now you can get changed the CBS Rate Ninety five a month with no equipment change. How's that ninety five a month? Call seaver security eight six six protect. Our go to CEVERS SECURITY DOT COM. Somebody just text in. What do you do Mike? Eighty? Five percent of all teachers are liberal. Am Not sure that you think that's true. That's an awfully number. No I don't think it approaches off maybe half here's. Here's a living. I've been hundred. Full, number zero, two, one, six, five seven hundred eleven, hundred to one, six, five, seventy, one, one, one, one one one open is America anything. You WanNa talk about. I WANNA take you back to nineteen six Carmen as it in front of them. Khrushchev. Said this about the united. States in nineteen, fifty-six good. We will take America without firing shot. We will bury you. We can't. The American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism until they awaken one day the fine that they have communism. We do not have to invade the United States. We will destroy you from with them. Is that happening that was set in nineteen fifty-six. It's two thousand and twenty. Is that taking place right now? Things are unfortunately coming true. I! Sit Down you sitting down. Yes, sir. Hold onto the chair, so you don't fall, take. Let me. Take you back to the sixties. Take a listen to this one. I were the devil. If I were the devil. If I were the prince of darkness, I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness, and I'd have a third of its real estate and four fifths of its population, but I wouldn't be happy until I have seized the ripest apple on the tree. The. So I'd said about however necessary to take over the United States. I'd subvert the Churches I. I begin with a campaign of whispers with the wisdom of the serpent, arbed whispered to you is are whispered to eve. There was. You're pleased. To the young, I would whisper that the Bible is a myth I would convince them. That man created God instead of the other way around I would comply watch. Bad is good, and what's good is square. And the old Arbat teach pray after me, our father. which art in Washington? And then I get organized I'd educate authors and how to make lurid literature exciting, so that anything else would appear dollar non interesting. I'd threatened TV with dirtier movies and vice versa. I'd pedal narcotics to whom I could. I'd sell Alcohol Till Ladies, and Gentlemen, of distinction I'd. The rest with pills if I were the devil zone, have families at war with themselves churches at war with themselves and nations at war with themselves, until each in its turn was consumed, and with promises of higher ratings. I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames. Of the devil I would encourage schools, dirty, fine, young intellect, but neglected disciplined emotions. Just let those run wild. Until before you knew it, you'd have to have drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors every school house door. Within a decade. I'd have prisons overflowing. I'd have judges promoting pornography soon. I could've it God from the courthouse then from the schoolhouse, and then from the houses of Congress, and in his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion and. Science. I've allure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money. If I were the devil, I'd make the symbol of Easter. Egg and assembled of Christmas a- bottle. If I were the devil I'd take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive, but they ambitious. What are you back? I couldn't get hold states to promote gambling. As the way to get rich. I would caution against extremes. And hard work in patriotism in moral conduct. I would convince the young marriages old fashioned. That's swinging is more fun. That what you're seeing on TV? Is the way to be. Those I could undress you in public. And I could lure you into bed. With diseases for which there is no cure. In other words if I were the devil I just keep right on doing what he's doing. Paul Harvey. Good Day. Good. Afternoon! It's four thirty three. This year is Cleveland National Air Show canceled because of Corona virus. The event usually attracts up to one hundred thousand people to the Burke Lakefront airport and creates ten million dollars for the city. It is rescheduled for next year. The Kentucky Historic Properties Advisory. Commission will remove the Jefferson Davis that you on the state's Capitol Rotunda and installed in the city where he was born the Statue of the president. President of the confederacy will will find a home at Jefferson. 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The whole week to try to figure out, read my mind around everything sculling. So for you guys to be able to get on day. When so little of anything that's going on makes any sense that's more difficult than it would seem I think to people. But after this I got after his time, I came up with two things. Some of my own thoughts and then I've also got a friend who was a police officer in one of the cities that they're attempting to de-fund and he's given me some. Thoughts on what's going on from from the inside My thoughts though is. I just can't wrap my mind around how we can't separate evil from good. Yes, we can separate every other thing. We can separate black and white. We can separate rich and poor. We can separate Hispanic Asian we can separate gay and straight anything else, but we can't just separate evil and good. And that to truth can't be true. George Ford should not have been killed yet. At the same time he was a criminal, committing a crime, and also to truth, that police officer was evil, but ninety nine hundred nine tenths of police officers officers are not evil and I just can't figure out where we're missing this I don't know if it's just. The media is trying to push it through or what because? You don't like I'm a coach. Should I not coach? Because some coaching? Another states done something wrong. Nobody can coach. There's been parents that have abused their tastes so now you can't have kids. Because some paren- abuse their kids. You could go all the way down. Teachers Radio Show hosts construction workers. Everybody's done something wrong. We'd have to abolish all of society because every group tainted treats anything so that's what I just don't understand that. but then from my friend, so he's a police officer, one of these areas that they're trying to define. And he said he had some interesting feedback. We talked yesterday on the phone. He's the number one. Most of their efforts now have to go of course stopping any kinds of protests and riots and that. Wow, they just stand there and. Can't do anything their hands. Are tied they're in custody. Racist getting things thrown at them. They had molotov cocktails thrown in. And you know it's it's crazy and it's frightening. He waved somebody just as he was patrolling the area. The person flicks them off You know they weren't even getting arrested or staff or anything, but on the other side and the thing that nobody's talking about maybe the most powerful thing of all. He said he's had several. African American people come up to and say. Thank you for what you're. You're doing. We know you're not part of the problem. We wanted to let you know so. That's the proof in the pudding right there. There's an agenda getting pushed through, and there are bad people that are represented in every Walker of society in life, but if you use any party of rain and just turn off the news, you'll realize that most people aren't the problem. There are some extremist that may have thought. This was a good thing and that group of people. Is Basically mentally unstable and wrong, but ninety nine thousand nine cents. People agree that what George Bush did of course does not warrant what happened. He should not have been killed should not have had. Any item is all terrible, but where is the common sense? That can't be disappearing this quick. Angelo I appreciate the phone. Call have a good weekend. Thank you very much, yes. At full numbers are to one six five seven hundred eleven hundred to one, six, five, seven, eight, one, one one one. Lose next Mike. Mike during the Air Mike. Hey traff, yeah, this is Mike. and. You. Guys last two days. I've been listening to you. You're talking about how there is no. Freedom, of speech, any longer, and I have to disagree with you on that. because. The constitution yet says in their. Freedom of speech. In the bill of rights okay. But Constitution only protects you from government overreach. It has nothing to do with private sector private citizen against private citizen. So there is freedom of speech. You can't tell me that you've ever known violation that has been challenged in court and loss where someone has spoken freely public. And the government has gone against them for that because that's what the constitution is for, it's to you from the government. It's not the case you from your employer or your next door, neighbor or whatever else? Well that's an easy explanation and technically dollars. Technically. You are one hundred percent correct. But not freedom of speech. Well it! Famous speech based on the Constitution so I assume you're getting free speech from the Constitution. That's why you think you are entitled to that and you are based on the rights that are given to you by the Constitution. And like I said that's not freedom of speech. Okay. I'm just saying it's not a violation. As Lot Jeff. Far. Is. It protects you from the government. Yes, it protects you from the government. Freedom of speech is also a freedom of speech is also being able to tell the truth. Without losing your occupation. Without reprisal from the government. Now. I know you you. You got stipulations and thank you for the phone call. That's my point. That's not freedom of speech to you, then maybe freedom of speech. That's not freedom of speech. Let me cite a case. There's ifs and buts and NAP. true freedom of speech. is be able being able to speak the truth the truth. There's a key word in freedom of speech. Had a case to weekend able to speak the truth. Had A case two weeks ago. Grant Napier. Are you familiar with them drip? Grant Napier, he was the play by play guy for the Sacramento Kings since one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty eight. And whether people agree or disagree, he tweeted out in the height of the writing and whatnot throughout the country, all lives matter and a lot of people took offense to that and grant. Napier resigned his job because he felt a lot of heat. After tweeting out all lives matter. Why. People were upset that he he was all inclusive and putting all lives matter. Then it ended his career with the Sacramento kings and some of the local television work. He did in that market. Why did he resign? He felt backlash from people. Resigning fired. He technically handed in his resignation, and he apologized for sending out the Tweeden. So that's freedom of speech. A He should be under the First Amendment covered by freedom of speech us. But he was fired. And this all lives matter yes. Y-. Resigned well, he resigned, but your honor I rest my case. Yeah, he didn't resign. He got fired. Believe me but I. would that's a typical case about your right to speak freely. Then he was like. Thirty or gosh nineteen, thousand eight, he had been with the Sacramento Kings. And now he's out of work. For saying all lives matter. He tweeted it all lives, matter he. He lost his job yes. For seeing all lives matter yet. He's out of work. and how `Bout drew brees, there's another prime example I mean. We've spoken nauseam about what he had to say last week, and obviously how he offered an apology at the end of the day. Yeah found. That was up to him whether he apologized or not. But I, mean clearly there was there was no need to apologize. He had guys in the locker room that were coming down hard on him, but again freedom of speech drew brees obviously felt at the end of the day that he needed to apologize. Where as you said look, he didn't say anything wrong. like somebody. Just texted resigned. He was fired. It doesn't matter, but he's out of a job. Yeah, he didn't resign. Okay. Yeah, he's gone. He was told to resign yes. So technically, he resigned. Yes, technically. Everything's a technicality today. Did you notice that you're serving? Yes? I mean I was talking with somebody one day and I won't even get into it, but you can't even fire people today. You know it's hard to fire people sure. If you're corporation of. Trying to say seth. You're still hitting off nine. That's what exactly what he's trying to say. And you're still I know. I'M STILL WALKING NO! What no! Are you and I'll have a chat. I wasn't talking about either of. was talking about us you. Amateur for trips restaurant in strong so open for lunch open for dinner, right across from the Southpark Mall route, eighty two and strong field trips restaurant. You'll love it. Live entertainment in the lounge. Social distancing being practiced. Eat in the dining room, front dining room, bag dining room. Get eat on the patio. 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So, whether or not, but yes. Within days air show is the fifth sixth and seventh. So, you're GONNA have your cancel the air show on September seven and you're gonNA play an NFL game on September ninth. Shortly afterward. So obviously, if they canceled the air show, then the NFL's not gonNA fans. You know. I think probably canceled the show because it's a lot of planning and a lot of stuff that goes into making sure that happens. To cancel it now them to go through all that and then cancel it. Excuse me, but is this the first airshow they've done? No. Still! Requires Planning and all the planning done foresight. There had numb homestretch now. The only thing that's got. I would think it's SORTA like the benefit that we do at the own gardening and twins bird. I think the majority of it. Is You know done? We're always perfect for show up until the day of. Well yeah about I mean everything. Ninety five percent of it is is planned out by. Two maybe a month before him. And leaves more than that. It's just executing on game day. Really no planning okay. Everything is planned. So nowhere show! OBVIOUSLY NFL won't play which means colleges and high schools play? This is going to be a brutal fall. They're. GonNa Play Football to me right. How have little faith I WANNA I wanNA, be with you. They're opening stuff back up as you know. But the second ran era of just said the second. There's no air show in September. They decided to cancel the air show, but I. Don't think the NFL's deciding to cancel everything well the. Full Board for months I mean they've been full steam ahead. Like Kuroda pipe is leaving existed. Roger Goodell thumbed his nose at. The NFL the. NFL doesn't even know there's A. It's just another day in the neighborhood with the NFL. They're they're playing. Major League Baseball NBA basketball. They're trying to figure it out the. People's mode, but football football would football payment football. They're gonNA. Play football play football, football? Might be wishful thinking. I mean anybody that plays football. Don't have a brain anyway. Especially knowing what you know today Carmen. Stop it so. No Karma didn't know what he didn't know. When he was playing. Everybody knows not to put his kid through it. But we're not going down there, but stop it Carmen. Real sharp person. That's obvious if he's going to let his kid play football. Now. What? You'd lose that in a court of law. You know that time right when they presented that as evidence. Carmen is on trial for being stupid. Your honor up, we we we just have to. Bring one witness. His sons football coach, he's letting his eleven year old son play tackle football. The judge would say Carmen you're guilty. A long line of people in that courtroom then. I'm not a house isolated case. Not as long as there once was well, you're right, you're right. You have schools that have abolished their football teams, yes. And it's I mean it's it's I. Mean I listen. You know me I I. I'm not one of these do Goodie type people okay where you know. You Watch this and got to do that new. Hello I smoke and everything. I drink I. Do you know whatever? But knowing what I know and you could say well. Why don't you do what smoking well? Smoking is a little bit of an addiction also. Actually, there's a big addiction. But, knowing what you know today I would never. Let my kid play football because it's my kid, it's not me. We just I would even think about it. You know. You can't. You can't tell a football person that you can tell. The average parent and the parent will listen. But when you're dealing with somebody like Carmen. WHO's the football game? Thanks. Change a football guys might. With the football. See My conundrum is I encourage my son to play football now. Meanwhile, football could be the dumbest of all the sports, too. Probably takes the least talent. Medically. Way of getting every which way. Well no I am being serious I mean I've done this many times. I mean I've seen offensive and defensive linemen that are as good a shape as I am. Bill like me. Ted Washington. Yes. You you can't do that in other sports now. You could say well in baseball this. Guy Cecil fielder was heavy. Matt like somebody's fat pigs, the play football. I mean they're just literally fat. They're not even muscle fat. Three hundred and thirty pounds, three hundred twenty five pounds. They're fat and all they do was getting away. You have to learn a playbook. Trivia member Nate Newton for the cowboys. You got to learn your ABC's to. Dexter made a lot of things you gotta learn. You Gotta learn how to drive. Of Butler to play book. I mean when you talk about the other sports I mean I get into it first of all hand eye coordination. Is some of the highest athletic stuff possible? I. Mean You watched? I give a give you an example. Michael Jordan when I watched the play baseball I, literally giggled when he went to the minor leagues to play Professional Baseball. Is great a basketball player. You would've thought well. You would have been a decent baseball. No. No No, no Michael Jordan was a great basketball player Lebron James A great basketball player doesn't mean they're great athletes. Trivia somebody like you take somebody like Bo Jackson, though yeah, perfect example. Now if you're just now was Bo. Jackson, as good as Lebron James or Michael Jordan, no. But as an athlete, he was better. Yes, he was. That's so hard! For a football guy to understand. Triggers, it's safe to say the greatest athletes. Are In baseball, hockey and golf. I know people say Oh, Golf! How can you say golf but truly? Certainly when you mentioned hand eye coordination. When you're talking about athletic ability. You take a professional baseball player like Mike. Trout or Lindor? there's three to four times. The athlete of Lebron James Safer an example. Or Michael Jordan. Athlete. You but you can't explain that to the football game. I totally understand it without a doubt. I mean just the hand eye coordination that it takes to hit a pitcher. Say Like Nolan Ryan. Just, say a Pitcher to throw the ball ninety eight miles an hour and has a curveball. And you're hitting a round ball. Around Bat. And then he got nine players trying to catch it. Once you hit it. A perfect and still be an. And then you got to run. A five tool player he's got to be able to run got to be able to throw. He's got to be able to feel. These got to be able to hit. He's got to have power on top of average. What other sport! Has that. Not One not one. Five tool player. Tom Brady Tom. Brady's are hall of Famer. You think he's a five tool player now. The Willie Mazes were few and far between right. Yeah Dion Sandwich where you get a text about Dion Sanders trip dion. Sanders was a hell of an athlete. But he was like Bo Jackson Bo. Jackson was much better. Dion was nowhere near as good in baseball as Jackson was. Jack could have been one of the greatest athletes that. Maybe, the greatest athlete that I've seen in my lifetime, he actually yes, athlete. There's a difference between a football player or a basketball player or a hockey player. We're talking about athletic ability. He had a chance thirty I. You gotTa Talk when I know you're gonNA. Tell what the news! Thank you trip. It's five O. Six. The Cleveland National Air Show canceled due to the Corona Virus Airshow Executive Director Kim Del says that they'll regrettable. The action was necessary to protect the spectators, exhibitors, tears, vendors, performers, concessionaires, sponsors and employees. The air show has been a northeast Ohio Labor Day weekend tradition since nineteen, sixty, four, attracting between sixty at one hundred thousand visitors to Burke Lakefront, airport, and making at one of the region's largest annual events on average. The airshow draws attendees from thirty five states in several countries. I'm Rob Bailey W. T. A.. M. News lawmakers in Ohio, rejecting a proposal to ban the confederate flag at County Fairs Representative Julie. Brent said Democrat from here in Cleveland. The admendment this week that would ban the display sale, distribution or possession of the flags at any fairs in the state, the amendment was rejected overnights north worlds and man going to prison for attacking a police officer John Pug neo was sentenced to four years behind bars, Thursday for assault Putney up pled guilty and march to try to gouge out the eyes of an officer who was investigating a road rage incident last year businesses in downtown. Cleveland that were damaged in looted two weeks ago. We'll be able to get some financial help from the city as they try to rebuild small grants to these businesses to help them with some of the costs air, having incurred to. Repair the damage that was done to replace inventory lost her damaged David Ebersol. The city's director of economic development says the grant money will come from the city's General Fund using some of the federal money received by the city to deal with the pandemic. Members of a House panel looking into whether first responders are properly funded as Kobe nineteen concerns continue operating virtual hearing Texas Democrat Eddie Bernice Johnson said many firefighters don't have the proper personal protective equipment, so the nights is answer bait? What was already chronic lack of sufficient on fire and ems response given that brought mission Oklahoma Republican Frank. Lucas stressed that first responders don't have the option of staying home and must be properly equipped and a bill allowing. Allowing student athletes to be paid is now in law in Florida governor onto scientists sign the measure today, allowing college athletes that he compensated for their use of their name image and likeness to Santa says the issue is about fairness. Some of the great athletes particularly in sports like football basketball, whose name image and likeness is being used to make millions and millions of dollars, and then they don't even have the opportunity to get any of that. The law takes effect in July of twenty twenty, one to give the NCAA Board of governors time to change its nationwide. My laws in the green on Wall Street today the Dow. Finishing up one point nine, that's four hundred and seventy seven points to twenty, five, six, zero, five, the Nasdaq finishing up one percent that's about ninety six points to ninety, five, thousand eight, and the S. and P. Five hundred finishing up one point three percent that is about thirty nine points to thirty forty one. Am Sports camps in the NFL this summer that means the first on the field workouts for the browns won't begin until the opening of Training Camp July, twenty eighth, and Espn is reporting the browns and Defensive End Myles Garrett are working on a megadeal Garrett still has two years left on his rookie contract, no word what a massive deal would mean annually, but pass rushers Sanchez. Chicago's Khalil Mack and the cowboys demarcus Lawrence average, twenty three and a half million and twenty one million dollars a year respectively. I'm home of the Indians. Cavaliers Carbon Angelo newsradio WT am eleven hundred. Traffic and weather together mornings and afternoons eleven hundred. I heard through the Grapevine Carmen. They're gonNA make bandaids a different colors true. Yes, that is true. I got that story. Right here on on one second. The band aid company has launched an effort to be more inclusive. The company says it will now make available bandages and light medium and deep shades of Brown and black skin tones in an effort to embrace the beauty of diverse skin. band-aid also says it's making a donation to the black lives, matter movement. About White Band dates. Of. Everybody there should be abandoned for for everybody. Of all skin tones. So I'll get onto power, be with band aid and see if they have any plans to do that. What what if you made a clear band eight? They do have those. They, do have clear AIDS. Bandages this. I mean that would make sense to be the one to be used by everybody. Clear, one perfect is that we ski is. Right right. There we go, or they should do it like paint splotches and have a variety of colors to choose from, and you compare your skin to the splotch on a box, and you can do it that way, and this isn't something that's novel. Career, Crayola, the CRAN company came out about three weeks ago. They're going to start making various skin tone colored crayons. To be more inclusive. So band-aid is not doing this alone. About condoms. Definitely have. Skin colored condoms. Well. They have clear ones right. Why should multicolored one so they? They do the rainbow of colors for the. Very well, you're Catholic. You don't use them right. Never I'd never will. Media. Where did where did you get condoms thinking them at the store and yeah? All of the three pack of the gas stations like five ninety nine. Here they don't care the magnums of the maggots. All you need the magnums. What's the difference don't. Don't you feel I mean that's one thing that there should be a machine. For this condoms. Don't you feel stupid going in somewhere and go? I some condoms now i. mean at least they know that you're getting some. It isn't going into. them, it's what if there's other people standing around. Look I'm the man getting? They applaud you. And a boy knows you feel like at a whole game held trigger. A box of condoms well. No I mean you. You raise you. Raise your hand, you. You wave at the clerk. Can help you. Yeah, give me give me a box of Adams. They're they're in the hygiene area near the the pharmacy at a certain. Grocery outlet, and I mean you. You just pick them up and you take them up to a clerk or you can sell. Check them out if you want if you want to be totally private about it. When you go into a gas station, you say at take three packs of cigarettes and twenty dollars to guess I'm pump six. Yes. So when you go into a gas station, you go like this. BACK UPS! You wear that loud and proud. Sure. Take. Three packs of smokes twenty bucks in gas and a big old pack of condoms because I'm getting like. What you're the only one. No, but I mean. It'd be ashamed of. It? I, just. You know. I know if I was a woman I had to go in and go. Yeah, give me some Tampax. tampons right. Picks tampons right yeah. Throw those things on. It's something you don't want to say out. Loud is might point. Believe me. I'm a father of a daughter worst thing ever. Throwing throwing a pack of condoms on the counter in front of the clerk to have them rung up is basically like a badge of pride I would guess for you south right, and probably for many other men that are out there I mean I'd be going in gas stations, my whole entire life. Where are the condoms sold that you throw on the counter? Actually there sold the one where I. To I say it's a shell station there on the side of. There on the front wall. And they got him in three packs. And really. By the aspirin where. The ASPIRIN, the left wall of like medicine. And have aspirin usual stuff and condoms. Do, they have the magnum for you though they do do a boy secretariat. No idea. So you don't have to. Counter so you don't have to ask forms what? No, no, no. No, but I can see where you could think somebody would embarrassed by you know putting them up on the counter for them to be rung up. I can understand that I mean that never had an issue with that stuff. Obviously, because if they were behind the counter, then the clerk would have to say to you. What size would you? I Give me the ones that are as big as a thimble. Italian curse. See the whole thing could be embarrassing. You know what I mean. See that that can happen. I we gotta get the phone call. Let me get a Libyan with traffic, and then we'll take phone calls. You guys give me off track all the time. Sorry. Eleven hundred. If this is true or not, but somebody. Somebody text in the two one, zero, nine five. Brought to you by absolute roofing. Trip swear to God. The texture said trip. Swear to God. Swear to God, not kidding you. The texture said. He, put a big box of condoms on the counter and there was no price. And the box of condoms in the person. Ringing him up had to use the speaker. And say price. Check on a dozen magnums police. That's the good possibility. That's. That's not a that could be true without a doubt. Yes! And it was another one. If I can find it here, it is What's the difference between a tire? And three hundred sixty five used condoms. What's that? One is a good year. The other is a great year. Somebody else just text in to one zero, nine five brought to you by absolute roofing whatever happened to talk radio, not text radio. WHO's next, jam. Jan.. Say Jam. Oh goodness. Thank God because I roust up some supper around here and I've been waiting like over an hour. and. Much water an hour hour and a half ago with what you're talking about, but I wanted to address The BRECKSVILLE protests that was called a rally for justice. That was in Brecksville, Tuesday, and started maybe with good intentions, but it was advertised. Would you believe the Sun? Black lives matter their website by a form of Brecksville broadview heights, high school students who now goes to university in Pittsburgh. And it also was supported. By A. BRECKSVILLE board of Education member and a pe slash coach teacher at the school. So! What can they be thinking to? You know fine justice really for justice good, but to affiliate with an anti family anti police. You know police hating group. That doesn't really care about black people. That to me was. Not The right thing to do and the protests was really not about the way it turned out. It wasn't violent, but It wasn't good. I don't think in the outcome because it was not about justice wasn't about racism. It's about Teachers you know falling for this Utopian Marxist hate group and they're being manipulated by them. and. I think they may fall into this. What you make turn collective White Guilt Syndrome in Brecksville, and they feel like they have to express their emotions, but by verbally assaulting law, enforcement people, and also a law abiding American. Loving senior citizens who were there, and that's how I know what happened. I didn't participate, but I knew someone who went there and it which political divisive and hateful and embarrassed that some of our educators as you said you know what's going on in Dr Nations in our schools. I think that's. Partly what was going on and for them to promote something like this to have families with small children who vulgar language, anti police verbal abuse. that To me, it was not a good thing. It was more bad bad thing, but the good thing is they want for Smith David my heroes, and I'm grateful and proud that they were there, and and did what was necessary to protect businesses. And protect the people who were there also. But but the schools in was what you were talking about. You know that Paul Harvey and what you said oh not an hour and a half ago about what's happening in this country and yes, I think it's partly indoctrination and the march through the institutions. And you know if if people have a sense of. Wanting to atone personally, let them go volunteer at big brothers in the inner city or work in literacy programs or go to interstate, you know. Send kids to intercity summer camps. I'm a retired public schoolteacher. AND IN CLEVELAND! Public schools pre bussing. So Batman, I think race relations were better than they were now. And to see this happening now and this type of What's happening in our communities and the all over now it's it's more than just race. It's not about race anymore it's. Thank. You, thank you. Thank you for the phone call. The A. Some very good points Jan brings up. But we're I'm confused as you gotTA SCUMBAG COP in Minneapolis. Killed George. Void kneeling on them. What does that have to do with a cop in Brecksville? Nothing and they've received pretty harsh. VERBAL TREATMENT AS JAN says from the people that were in attendance there. That's totally uncalled for Yeah I. Just really I have a hard time with that. And I guess that some people that are protesting actually believed that all cops are bad. Oh. Yes, they must because of what they say to police officers who had nothing to do with the cop in Minneapolis it's just absolutely unbelievable. I I will play that Paul Harvey One. Do you have its? Paul Harvey said this in the sixties. If he was the devil. Put some stuff together. I want you to really pay attention to this? Because this is like really remarkable that this could have been done like fifty years ago. Take a listen. If I were the devil. If I were the devil. If. I were the prince of darkness. I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness, and have a third of its real estate and four fifths of its population, but I wouldn't be happy until I have seized the ripest apple on the tree. The! So I've said about however necessary to take over the United States. I'd subvert the churches. I begin with a campaign of whispers with the wisdom of the serpent. I would whispered to you as I whispered to eve. Do as you, please. The young I would whisper that the Bible of myth I would convince them. That man created God, instead of the other way around I would watch. Dad is good, and what's good is square. And the old teach pray after me, our father. which art in Washington? And then I'd get organized I'd educate authors and to make the lower literature exciting, so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting threatened TV with dirtier movies and vice versa pedal narcotics to whom I could sell Alcohol Till Ladies and Gentlemen of Distinction I. Dreamt is the rest with pills. If I were the devil, Zun have families at war with themselves, churches at war with themselves and nations at war with themselves, until each in its turn was consumed, and with promises of higher ratings I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames. If I were the devil encourage schools, dirty, fine, young, philex neglect discipline emotions. Just let those run wild. Until before you knew it, you'd have to have drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors every school house door. Within a decade. I'd have prisons overflowing. I'd have judges Promo moving pornography soon. I could've to God from the courthouse then from the schoolhouse and Ben from the. Congress and in his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion and deify science. I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money. If I were the devil, I'd make the symbol of Easter an egg, and the symbol of Christmas a bottle, if I were the devil, take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of they ambitious. What will you bet. I couldn't get hold states to promote gambling. As a way to get rich. I would caution against extremes. And hard work and patriotism in moral conduct. I would convince the young marriages old fashioned. That's swinging is more fun. That what you see on TV. Is the to be. And those I could undress you in public. And I could lure you into bed. With diseases, for which there is no cure. In other words if I were the devil I just keep on doing what he's doing. Paul Harvey. Good. Afternoon. It's five thirty five. This year. Is Cleveland National Air Show canceled? Because of Kobe nineteen, the event was supposed to take place over Labor Day weekend and is a tradition that's been running. Since nineteen sixty four event usually attracts up to one hundred thousand people, Burke Lakefront airport and creates ten million dollars for the city. In Ohio state senators been fired from his day job over comments he made about African Americans and the Covid nineteen pandemic Stephen Huffman Republican from tips. City called black people. The quote colored population and asked if they were contracting the virus at higher rates since they don't wash their hands well. Americans could be in for more stimulus checks. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, said the trump administration is seriously considering another round of payments for citizens to navigate the economic downfall of Covid, nineteen, and not drain Yak, did not out of the public eye completely just yet. 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Our full number zero, two one six, apologizes reading Texter our phone number's area to one six five seven hundred eleven, hundred to one, six, five, seven, one one one one, B. Just joining us Air Show September fifth, sixth and seventh at Burke. Lakefront airport has been canceled. Has. been canceled also. We have a story to of. A doctor I think he was an er. Doctor wasn't yes. Doctor Yes. He's also a member of the General Assembly. Tickets in this Ohio state Senator Stephen Huffman has been fired from his job as an emergency room doctor in Dayton following comments he made during a hearing in which Ohio lawmakers were discussing racism as a public health crisis on tape Huffman heard saying in part. Could it be that African? Americans were the colored population. Do not wash their hands as well as other groups. State Representative Stephanie House, from Cleveland is the president of the Ohio Legislative Black Caucus. Was it. This is our reality every day. This just happened to be caught on. Air. Huffman said he'd regretfully asked a question in unintentionally awkward way. So he got fired. Yep He lost his job as an emergency room doctor in Dayton. Another people are as. Yet. Another people calling him. Calling for his resignation from the State Senate. Lose next John. John, you're near John. Yeah I think. That you're talking about censorship. I think the media in this country as spent generations. Censoring anything but the official pro establishment propaganda for warriors for militarism around the world I got a couple of examples in many, but this is just a couple of them, and since I only have a short time now I'd like to mention some sources that are truly alternative. Good are totally censored by the corporate media in this country. One is global research global research. Other as information, clearinghouse, information, clearinghouse, and these contain people from the establishment from. From the Pentagon the war profiteer military-industrial complex. She got disgusted with Elisa. retelling through the media to. US during our lives and our parents grandparents. A century and they came out and as whistle blowers, insiders, exposing these lies on global research and information clearinghouse and a few other NATO needles in the haystack. That you nobody knows about on. The Internet and our sensor, totally by the corporate media that are swamping the entire countryside every day. And at the same time, dominated by right wing, talk, show host shock, fifteen hundred stations who sit at the top of a mountain of right wing, corporate, powerful corporate stations on relay and. Repeater. twenty four seven in every section of the country and claim that they don't have a platform. They don't have a platform. It's all a leftish media they say and there is no left in this country. There was a a major political columnists years ago called. Gore Vidal and an historian who said that this system in the United States is a one party system with two right wings, posing as one I two right wings, posing as the only available alternatives or the Demo Publicans, and the Republican tax, and you may have a tilt towards one of the other in the corporate media in this country, but there is nothing outside of that that got everybody's bringing Dr Take blocks. thinking that you're. Arguing Giant confused I. Are you saying? That! There is no left media in this. Is that what you're saying? That's one of the big lies repeated of millions of times every day on these right wing talk show host that dominated although the media there. The Democrats are not left. As a millions of examples Vietnam War was was bipartisan. Lee Supported by the Democrat. John John? John John John. What is CNN. CNN is a CI right. Meet here. Because it kills a little more Democrats. Than popstars people think. That's the only church but as Gore. Vidal said. It is a single. CNN CNN. Hold, on Oh. Did Chet easily easy? Yes, so CNN is is is is right-wing. If you look at Anderson Cooper I see spent his summers at Yale University at the national headquarters and training seminars. At. C. I. Headquarters, and if you look at Melissa his entire career before CNN was as propagandists for the Israeli lobby. You're saying wait about jet jet jet. You're saying. CNN is a bunch of Republicans. No. I'm saying that Democrats and Republicans are both right wing, and that's the big lie of all of these right wing. Talk show host. Saying a million times across the country that the media is limp. There is no significant left in the United States. A good example is Phil Donahue. Talking about it was Barack. What was Barack? Jack Jack Jack Jack? What was Barack Obama Hillary Clinton Bill Clinton what were they? He was an extension of Bush and Cheney's wars and bombings around the world. He actually tripled. bombings by those groans around the world so and continues. Rack Obama was about Obama. Obama was a Republican. No I'd saying that he won't continue the Cheney and Bush warmongering policies in Ukraine and in Yemen and in Syria and Libya and actually expanded the bombings throwing bombings around the world. So if you look at any important issue at Warren peace are GonNa shouldn't go golf there and these ruinous wars. The war cry I. Get it I all right all right, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. That is a unique viewpoint that one and I have not heard in my life, have you? Tried actually he brought that he went by the name John this time, but he calls every other week with a different name, different hometown and Asking if he's I, don't WanNa know about him did did you hear what I asked You yes. I've heard him. Is. That a have you heard that before? He has said that before. Yes, no, I mean from somebody else. No, no, never never. I have never heard that viewpoint outside of John. Never. GonNa. Meek one yesterday I prefer. He spent a lot of time on the computer. Yes. He always brings up that INFO dot com site and also global research dot com site. He calls every other week. And there's really no way we can scream, but yes i. Only. Have to be screened. That's fine and let him give his opinion. That was great radio. Absolute Yes who's next bill. Wait, wait hold on traveling. Hey in six point nine, FM, partly cloudy Skies Temps in the seventies today will see fifties with a chance for some showers throughout the evening tonight. Partly cloudy skies upper sixties on Saturday. That's a good one There is no left media. According to John? ABC NBC. CBS CNN MSNBC. They're not left media according to John. Hey Asana for USA insulation now, according to USA INSULATION And believe me according to Mike Jarvis Sahu USA insulation insulated my house. I would say probably fifteen twenty years ago, okay? 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Yes on facebook if you WANNA check it out the the the time. Take so okay all righty. That's all thank you, thank you. I won't be going to Lakewood tomorrow, so. Our phone numbers era to one six five seven eight eleven, hundred to one, six, five, seven, eight, one, one one one. We'll take your phone calls after short time out here in the news with Kyle, we'll be back. Eleven hundred I don't have to tell you about the situation on the ground in city but in terms of how it looks to the rest of the country, and the president are teeing up as basically ineptitude, the ability inability to control your own streets. Is that fair criticism? So I know it will shock you that the president is perhaps not giving an accurate or tooth picture. We've got four blocks in Seattle that you just saw pictures of that is more like a block party atmosphere. It's not an arm takeover. It's not a military junta we will. We will make sure that we can restore this, but we have block parties in the like in this part of Seattle the time it's it's known for that so I think the president number one. There is no threat right now to the public in. We're looking. They're taking that very seriously were meeting with businesses and residents. Some wrong with that woman. Trip I'd never attempt. I've been to of block parties I've never attended a block party where people were walking around with bulletproof vests on an AR. Fifteen S, have you. Took over a portion of a city, yes. Completely took over the police precinct. Seattle Mayor Jenny. Durkan She's being. and. That was on CNN right. Yeah, that was Chris Cuomo last night. But John says there's no left media. There's a perfect example. And Chris Cuomo didn't say. Is there something wrong with you. Honey while you don't want to Chris Global. Etiquette here I am defending CNN of things but Chris Cuomo in. Later in that interview, he said. Don't you think things are bad here or something? To that effect he did. He did call her out, did questioner? And that was about a ten minute interview. Yeah. He asked her. If there's something wrong with her mentally now, no, no, no, no, no, he he probably should have, but for her to sit there and say that was a block party. When you have police, officers, men and women in blue and Seattle. They can't even go to their place of employment because it's been overrun by these anarchists, and that's what they are. What's going on with Nickelodeon? Let me play that story for you. Children's network nickelodeon briefly suspended programming Monday night. In an effort to show solidarity with the Black Lives Matter Movement. The network suspended programming for eight minutes and forty six seconds the exact amount of time a former Minneapolis police. Had his knee on George Floyd's neck before Floyd's death may twenty fifth nickelodeon turn the screen orange with a declaration of kids rights, which was displayed on the screen as well. All right our full numbers, according to state records Dr Amy acton earns two hundred thirty six thousand dollars a year. what? What what? So? Why do I mean I? Don't care what year. Do you now know that. Is Somebody just texted did. Yeah that's correct. She makes. In that ballpark. Seemed Zach number. She will maintain the salary in her new role. A newly created role one that did not exist before yesterday. Wouldn't you like to know why she's resigned from being the health director of the state of? Wouldn't you really like to know the true? Answer to that. Could be maybe some business types gotten the governor's ear. Maybe in mid April and said Hey Mike Look. You can't do this. You can't you can't shut down the state? You GotTa think about? Reopen it and boy. If you look at the time line, the middle of April is when the governor announced the creation of that economic advisory board, which we didn't hear much about, but two three weeks after that announcements were made that things would start to reopen. WHO'S NEXT Bob. Bob You're near. All Right? Let me get Java Speaker being. Kind of story. and it's clean. I went into the store. Pick up a couple of extra large condoms. And the court behind the counter said do a bag with that. I said no actually she's not that ugly. Everybody wants everybody wants to be a committee. That was great. I'm never grown up. To, go back to the fold strip. Tax Shorts. For Forty five minutes. That's the best. We can't replay that right now. WHO's next Bob. Bob You're nearby. trip. Boy that was this can be a hard one to follow. Yes, yes. The reason I'm calling your I'm first time caller by the way. All on hold first time referred. You better stick the first time caller and leave the job to absolute. Absolute roofing, DOT COM. Yeah. Go ahead, but. Yeah, the reason I'm calling is is I cannot imagine what it's like to be a police officer right now with the media and the storm against everybody I I understand I think all Americans understand that there are some police officers. A very small minority of them are not so good, but. The overall. Population of the police officers are great. And I just think that we as citizens might. WanNa. Be Able to do something to show our support to them. And my suggestion might be is near driving by a cop or you're driving by. Walking by copper, whatever you just show him the thumbs up and show them that. Hey you know we, we still support you. We understand that you know all this stuff is going on right now, but. We're not all against you. We'd all don't think that everybody's all you. Cops are bad, we. We want to give you the thumbs up and that were supporting you. Man I don't know I. I think we need to do something to show these cops because if I was if it was my profession. And I had the media against me and everybody against me. I would be wondering whether I even wanted to go to work that day and these guys. These guys go to work every day. They risk their lives for us to protect us and I just want to show them that. We're behind him. We stand behind them. Here's a thumbs up. We support you. I'm GONNA dry COP, and I'm GonNA, stick my hand out the window, and I'm going to put my thumbs up and I'm GONNA show him. Hey I'm on your side I. I'm I stand behind you. You guys are doing a good job overall. Yeah. There's a few bad ones out there, but. There's a few bad ones and all of our professions I don't know this. I just feel bad for these guys because they're getting dressed every day. They're risking their lives for us. And they feel like they're getting craft on. That's all. Good Call, good call. Thank you for the phone call. Bob Calls, you want it. Yeah hold on AH. Excellent point, excellent phone call because I think a huge percentage of Americans which is getting lost. In all these protests and riots in media, coverage and everything I think I think a huge I would hope a huge percentage of Americans around the COP side. And it would be nice if we could show that somehow really what yet? Really? What now? We're not on the cops side. Of the COP in Minneapolis, but the majority of cops with your site where with your buddy and they think that's what the last caller said. Yeah, go ahead set. Bob You're near. All right. Let me get Java Speaker. Condom Story. and it's quaint. I went into the store. Come pick a couple of extra large condoms. And the court behind the counter said. Would you like a bag with that and I said now actually she's not that ugly. There's a live your point nine FM cloudy. Skies Temps in the seventies. Today will see fifties with a chance for some showers throughout the evening tonight. Partly cloudy skies upper sixties on Saturday. You're near. Right. Let me get Java Speaker. Thank on Condom Story. and it's clean. I went into the store. Compared of a couple of extra large condoms. And the court behind the counter said. Would you like a bag with that and I said no, actually she's not that. L. is joined us these blushing. Think that was awful. Call, today That was clever. It wouldn't be a double entendre, but he kind of used that two ways i. he started off with very subtle extra-large. Continued on with the punchline that was that was that was a multifaceted joke. Has Joe Tate would say? That was Wham with both hands? Yes, it was correct very very well done to kind of fits. Trip how you feel man. Another Day in paradise. A. APP allows skiers joins us. You're out tonight. part of the talk force on am at night from seven to ten. What are you going to be talking about tonight well? As we like to do here trip on eleven hundred I have science and data where it's considering covid nineteen and I still have my questions as to why. The economy is being opened, but it's not completely open right now. In Science and data tells us it should be open completely right now, so we'll. We'll talk about that. That'll be one of the main things plus Major League baseball trip. I mean these guys. They're getting closer. They are with the with the back, and forth back and forth will end next week. I can tell you with about ninety percent certainty rob Manfred will announce a season next week, but this latest proposal. The owners gave the players. I mean seventy two games a little bit more money. Yes, they're asking the players to take a small risk as well with some of the money with the postseason. I think what should happen in Jim Bowdoin tweeted. This have the players come back and say okay. We'll do seventy two games instead of eighty nine. You've got to give us full. Pro rated salaries at that point. I don't see how the owners would say. No, so I think we're getting close. I don't know what's going to be seventy two games. Could be sixty next week from rob. Manfred could be sixty five, but we'll touch on that as well. L. Are you surprised that they cancelled the air show September fifth sixth seventh in Cleveland here I am. That's once again going to hurt the economy. It's GONNA hurt the Cleveland Economy especially obviously. You're outside the latest news that we have gotten on this viruses it acts like. where it struggles in heat, it doesn't like the Sun. It doesn't like humidity. Labor, day weekend. You're going to be outside. Isn't the air show one of the most? One of the the easiest event to socially distance that you've got all bedroom. All you have to do is look at the sky. You could be pretty much anywhere in Cleveland status. You can't charge money for people at our over watching it on ninth street. I get it, but still it seems to me like an air show would be a perfect thing if you still at that point, feel the need to socially distance no. Yeah I don't know I mean. I would think also to let. Let's just talk Indians okay jerk. Sporting events, but let's let let's just narrow it down to the Cleveland Indians. You know how easy it would be to social distance. The fans there I agree I agree. The Texas governor agrees with you know. So in Texas, he's already said any professional. Sporting event at any stadium can be filled the fifty percent capacity right now. Now that could change. It could be more could be less by the fall, but I agree with you trip when you've got. About thirty, five, thousand or so seats, and you've got some room to stand at progressive field as well. I know the Indians have looked into it and putting together plans, or you know early on five thousand people eight thousand people how they would distance. It's not the easiest thing to do, but it definitely can be done and I agree you can socially distance there any outdoor stadium right now with what we know so far about this virus. I don't understand why if you still feel, it's a threat. Number one you don't have to go never to if you're if you're outdoors and it's warm and you're distanced outdoors. I mean that's that's pretty low risk. That's about as low risk as gets. L. We're talking out. Pulaski only got a couple of minutes here and then Albion from A. Seven to ten tonight right here in wt am eleven. Hundred I hate to do this to you and put you on the spot with this question, okay? A If if baseball players Neil for the national anthem. we'll data will that affect? The way you do your job and Will you say anything? Honestly I haven't even thought about it. That's that's a lot to think about. I guess we will cover it at first because it's a story. And then go from there. I don't know if they would have gotten no inclination. That would happen in baseball, but I don't. Perhaps it would. Guys I hate to give you this answer. I really do because usually I'm GonNa give you an answer, one way or the other but I thought about how we would cover it. So I I, really don't know at this point, but. That I guess. That's something that you would have to consider. Because I am thinking of making a phone call to Ray Davis in the very near future and I'd probably will not talk browns football if NFL players Neil for the national anthem. Well, it looks I mean there's GonNa be some players that are going to be doing that I it. It certainly appears I dunno entire teams will, but it appears in the NFL. You are going to have that. Boy that's. There is there and there's so much emotion on both sides of that issue. That's yeah. That's going to be interesting to see all transpires. If they knelt after the national anthem, or before the game, or at halftime, or before the first play, or after the game I'd be on their side. Yeah, that's a good. If there's other times you could. Not during the national anthem, there's no reason to mock the flag and the national anthem by neely. neely means two things. Surrendering or prayed? Yeah. True I. Don't think it means anything else. Unless you're talking about Monica. Monica. Lewinsky oh her okay. I see where you're going with. You have I. got it okay, yes. So I mean if they did it if they kneel during outside the national anthem protests outside the national anthem, I'm with them. I think a lot of people would be because I. don't I have no problem with that. That's their right. I have no problem whatsoever with it. I have I'm on their side with that cop in Minneapolis, not all cops on that with that cop okay. Obviously that GOP was. He's a bad person and he's. He's getting what he deserves to be indicted on murder, no question. But I'm not on anybody's side. Who Does during the national anthem? Fair enough just wondering I don't. 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