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Hundreds show up for The Change We Seek, a peaceful Black Lives Matter protest in Cleveland

Ric Edelman

00:23 sec | 2 months ago

Hundreds show up for The Change We Seek, a peaceful Black Lives Matter protest in Cleveland

"No rest this weekend after peaceful protests across the state hundreds gathered peacefully in front of the Cleveland police second district station in shaker heights Gridley park participants lit candles some officers took a knee in port Clinton the mayor and members of the police department participated in the peaceful unity marked with citizens and in Akron mayor Dan Horrigan was seen taking a knee with

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

16:23 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"Cast. Thank you all so much for talking to us. They bill thank you for having us. Thank you again to Lexi. Jade Petty John Meghan Stott Gavin Louis Jordan Elsa for sitting down with me and I speak for everyone when I say re specked it is not just any cast that can bring this level of performance opposite. Carrie Washington and Reese Witherspoon and the cast absolutely destroys and the material that they're performing is no joke either both authors Celeste ing and the little fires everywhere writer's room tackle every conceivable issue in the world of this story so to hear a little bit about writing episode one. Oh seven and building that engine between me and Elena to a climax I got to speak to writer Harris. Dano let's hear some of the conversation I'm Harris. Dano and I was a producer on the show and I wrote episodes seven picture-perfect so when this episode areas people will have in theory just washed it. And if you haven't watched it at spoiler alert So when you were writing this were there specific parts that you're like oh. I can't wait to write the scene where they're scenes where you're like. Oh I'm kind of nervous. How do I approach this or yeah? What was your mindset going into it. I think it was really excited to write. That reese and carry bathroom. Scene happens early in the episode Because they hadn't had screen time together. I think for a couple of episodes until that moment and while that's a great scene I'm proud of how it came out There are other scenes that I wasn't thinking of quite that way that when I watch episode now are are much more meaningful to me When thinking about the episode wasn't really thinking about is the all that much but when I watch episode. Now she's it's such a huge episode for her. Yeah and and I don't know I'm very proud about how her scenes came out. I it yeah. It's it's written incredibly. Well she performs the hell out of it. Megan like Kells at like. Yeah at that whole people will definitely have a lot to say about Izzy storyline in this episode. It's really exciting. So I I wanted to ask you. Specifically because this is a show that centers around women's stories and a lot of different types of women and the themes of motherhood but behind all of that in sort of subtly influencing. Some of. That is the show's concept and approach to masculinity where I feel like comes out mostly through the Richardson men. Were you've got Josh? Jackson IS BILL. And you've got Moody and trip as well. And all three of them had their characters pretty significantly deepened and explored in the show. And so I'm curious about your experience with that specifically And then also just what were those conversations like in the room of finding okay? What do we want bills character to be saying? Because he didn't do too much the Burger. Yeah there were conversations. I think about bill in particular. I think in the next episode. When you watched the finale you get I think how we thought about Bill's relationship with Elena as a husband as a man really comes out in the next episode So excited for people to see that but we were very much aware of Especially bill in particular this being a show about women and mothers and wives. What is a man's role in this and yeah and I think you can watch bill through everything you've seen so far and he's kind of takes a hands off approach anything. It's kind of like Elena. This is your problem in like. I'll I do my part but you know I let you make all the decisions. He can wash his hands of the whole thing. And you know Elena can you can be the crazy one and I can be the same one even though you're doing ninety nine percent of the work here right and I very much aware that can you talk about in the round table that you wrote that eventually got cut out That it seems was pretty well loved in the room What what was seen. There was a scene of bill going to pick up. Izzy has this moment with Mea where she's basically thanking him in a way. I don't think she says the words. Thank you. But there's this realization that you had you could have destroyed me By bringing up this might pass that That I've been so desperately keeping secret decided not to. And why and I think it was like you don't have too many moments between bill and MIA And I think that's why I missed it and it wasn't it a were built says something effect of it doesn't matter we're GonNa Win Anyway but also this acknowledging that you know ruining your life isn't GonNa make my life better and besides we were going to win. I need to do it but I thought it was a nice moment between to them but I totally totally understand why that's taken out. There's no room and then my last question is about Moody and I really really really liked the direction that y'all chose to go with him kind of challenging. I think stereotype that is very well recognized of like the good guy gets the girl and in in this story where at this point we know that. Pearl is not interested in him and that way and seeing the retaliation that takes place. Where where did that come from why? I think it's in the book. It's in the book but we were totally aware of that and listen. The truth is that I probably related most of all the characters to easy and Moody Moody in particular. So I I because I feel like I was that Guy I don't think I was quite as I didn't think I did all the things that Moody did Which you will see just just that mentality and I think it was very important for us to to for everyone feel like they're really rooting for Moody and to see what happens when A boy that doesn't get his way and the way he responds and Yeah absolutely there's a sense of entitlement going on there. Yeah you owe me. I been so good to you. I've been so nice to you to the point where I feel like even audiences are kind of conditioned to be like. Oh of course Pearl has to go. Yeah when it's like. Well no what does she want you know. Yeah and it's like you know He's entitled to be upset about it. I mean who wouldn't be right? But but how do you take that out on? The other person I think is is the question how men take it on women who reject them. Yes which is like a fascinating discussion that we don't see happen enough with people that you would see in the normal world. It's usually you know like this big looming villain that no one's ever actually met and this is like no. This is a kid that you have known And Yeah just seeing. That plan was really. Yeah and if you think about sort of you know for the hundred years now or whatever Particularly when I'm thinking about the movies I watched growing. They're all written almost entirely all written by guys like me. Who were probably like pretty nerdy or certainly wasn't the guy who was Attracting all the girls in high school and so so many stories. We've been conditioned to watch about like these boys who who are just these underdogs sweethearts who are trying to get with the popular girl. And and in the end she sees him for the prince that he really is and it's weird revisionist history. It's all like it's all nerd white way wish fulfillment and so. I'm glad you said that I hadn't thought about it in a while. But we were very much aware of how Moody was GonNa React and again it wasn't celeste books. She she handles it. She a beautiful point there. Thank you so much for coming in.

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

05:24 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"How did you prepare for that individually and together? The Spurs time I read that that scene especially where they're in the dressing room and lexi Talking Pearl. I, don't see it really. It's not a friendship. It's Lexi's manipulating parole, and especially when she takes the when she thinks advantage of Pearl with the story, and even with abortion I feel like it's honestly at the end of the day I. Feel like it's kind of racism, but Jadon I on set. You're like so cool. It was super weird to like act out those scenes because like we know. But jade absolutely killed it but I don't I don't necessarily I. Don't necessarily know that has if it's a friendship I think it's more just like a one-sided manipulation of Lexi seeing Pearl upon so she can get what she wants at the end of the day I can. Agree with you Alexi and and it's it's definitely an interesting thing when you have a lot of love and admiration for the other actor to to suddenly turn on and and play something that's so divided. You know what I mean. I think that approaching a character that is so morally grey. It's such an age old saying amongst actors to never judge the character your character right otherwise you're not able to actually play it authentically, because no one really believes themselves that they're wrong, inherently you know. And that was hard for me to look at because you look at the page and you're like Oh my God. This is so heartbreaking and she's just notifying the other. Individual! Aware of it or not, she is, and and so for me. It took a lot of like okay. I need to understand how she got to. A point of of completely lost empathy. This next question is for Gavin Jordan. Going off of some changes made from the book I think that both of your characters are portraying very specific kind of masculinity. That has maybe let's say toxic. So are these traits that you had recognized previously whether it be in your friends, family yourself, and then, and what does the experience like kind of acting that out and being the all? I mean it's just a lot of observing like I played a brother. I'm an only child so it's a lot of of just watching. It was a toxic person that I. think he believed Pearl owed him for He sort of gave her what he felt was enough to deserve relationship, and preparing for that was just a lot of watching like there's a lot of that in society. They still there shouldn't be with. There is I would agree with that I think and I. Think what's what's cool about it, too. Is that was like you said two totally different kinds of toxic masculinity in it starts out as the Moody is. Is Sort of the good kid with a good heart, and then it sort of flips as you get further on, and it's like Oh, well, maybe trip actually is a good guy and then moody search, the sort of become like more frowned upon, but you feel bad for him at the same time. Both of them are the wrong in a lot of ways and I think that trip starts to sort of. figure out that there's more to him than the label that's been placed on him, which is sort of dislike? Player gets all the girls, but like breaks their hearts, and doesn't really care about their feelings does desire these personal relationships with with girls, sort of treats women as if they are objects, which obviously you see loads of today ads perpetuated in our culture, and it's it's really. Really ingrained in our culture, unfortunately and you sort of alluded to it being an only child, all of a sudden having three TV siblings building out I, think for the Richardson's and the.

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

12:40 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"How is everybody doing no matter which character you're rooting for it? There is so much going on right now. I am personally feeling a lot. And there's only one more episode of little fires everywhere left to tie up all the loose ends and resolve everything that needs resolving. What's going to happen between Elena and MIA or to the Shaker Heights teens or Linda beebe and of course? The biggest question of all blue burned the house down. Who said the little fires now? I can't spoil anything of course but I can do what I always do. Which is bring you behind the scenes of the show to hear from the actors writers and wait for it with this week on this episode. We're speaking with the therapist Leslie Johnson. Mft Who consulted on little fires everywhere particularly on the adoption issues tackled in the series. We're going to speak with the writer for episode one. Oh seven Harris Denno but I. This.

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

03:52 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"I am personally feeling a lot, and there's only one more episode of little fires everywhere left to tie up all the loose ends and resolve everything that needs resolving what's going to happen between Elena and MIA or to the Shaker, Heights teens or Linda Beebe, and of course. Course, the biggest question of all blue, burned the house down. WHO said the little fires now? I can't spoil anything of course, but I can do what I always do. which is bring you behind the scenes of the show to hear from the actors writers and wait for it with this week. On this episode. We're speaking with the therapist Leslie Johnson MFT, who consulted on little fires everywhere particularly on the adoption issues tackled in the series. We're going to speak with the writer for episode one. Oh seven Harris Denno but I. This.

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

04:07 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"Perfect like to pretend I think that you know. We didn't have to family houses or rental housing. Yeah, but the truth of the matter is that they were designed that way so that you know everybody felt like they were. You know living in this really high quality housing, and is Joyce, said you know built to the same standard. And it was. It was done for those reasons. It wasn't done to create some sort of facade of perfection. So you know that that idea of perfection is used in the book. I think really effectively because it sets up some interesting tension between characters. But again I think as I mentioned before you know I think in some ways for us. That idea of you know planning these things out were to achieve some intentional goals. About about the community so. I just thought that when she was talking about winslow in the book, it was kind of interesting because the way it was portrayed there i. think wasn't exactly what the intention was. That's one of the parts of the book and the show that I found so fascinating as you can both understand why and the intention behind designing something, a certain way wasn't intended to be any sort of value judgment on anyone, but then you're like well. I can understand why it may be interpreted in that way depending on where you're coming at the situation, and I guess just for listeners who are coming to this only having the context of. Being portrayed in Nineteen ninety-seven. What is different about? In twenty twenty, that maybe wasn't as true or there are things to work on back in ninety seven. Well, you know we are constantly evolving and growing and I think we have dug in even more deeply on exploring diversity and inclusion, and being even more proactive in terms of initiatives that were undertaking where were bolder and more open about how much we value this and doing the hard work I think actually the book did a good job of portraying that idea that you could kinda. Check the box on undiversified. It was easy to say that you wanted to have friends of the different. Raise or invite them into your house, and then you kind of check. Check the box and said Yeah, you know. I am good with us, but I think now, and since then, and certainly now we are very very intentional about creating a diverse and inclusive community, and the city's just enacted some of the most progressive and wide ranging lgbtq protections. We are really proud of that but all of these things are really overt expressions of our values and not sure we were as overt and intentional at that time I think that Celeste book opens up a lot of difficult conversations. She is a product of a school system. Where we did value that so I'm not surprised that her book touches on some really important themes But you know we're not. We're not afraid of the hard work with. The conversation and you know it can be messy and difficult, but I think the good news is that we're willing to do this hardware now so. Come here and visit, and we'll take people on a little fires everywhere or You can do a little fires everywhere walking tour. It'll be like an AIRBNB immersion option. So you'll get. This is where Elena and meow got into an argument rap here..

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

07:08 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"Planning Shaker today. This is a conversation. I had recently with Joyce Braverman eat. Director of Shaker Heights city, planning and Julie Voice the Shaker. Heights communications director the week before little fires everywhere first aired, so let's take a listen. Hello Ladies so before we get started just so everyone can tell who's speaking. Let's just introduce ourselves hi I'm Julie McGovern Boise and I am the director of Communications and marketing for the city of Shaker Heights and I'm Joyce Braverman and I am the planning director for the city of Shaker Heights and I've been with the city for thirty years I've only been with the city for ten years, but I was raised here buffo. For, many people watching little fires everywhere is going to be their introduction to Shaker Heights just for US newcomers To describe what is Shaker, Heights? We are a community real planned by the fan. Swear brothers in the early nineteen hundreds nineteen twelve. Most of the land of Shaker Heights early in their career, so they developed this beautiful community, they wanted to control how the built form look, so that was very important to them, and they had a publication called the swearing design standards, and these talked about building your house in three styles, and this appears in the book tutor French colonial, and they also had standards for paint colors, and which colors to paint the trim of your house in the body of the house they also called for the homes to be designed by a competent architect in what. What they meant by this was an architect that was known. It was an era in the early nineteen hundreds, where some of the fines protects, were at the height of their careers in the Cleveland area, and also to regulate good taste. They were very concerned about someone who might not have good taste. That's kind of the history of Shaker Heights. That's so interesting I I am very interested in the planning aspect especially because it's just a concept that is kind of foreign to me. So when the syringe brothers said good taste. What did they mean by that? So? They were very concerned with what the roof slipped like and what the windows looked like, and the garages were the garages I said the garages were not in are still not allowed to have doors facing street, so as an attached garage met you came up? You're driving. Did A u-turn into the garage with the door facing the rear or a detached garage would have adore facing sideways, so again came in your driveway. Instead of going right into your garage, you made a right turn or left turn they are our garage doors and eyesore I'm trying I'm trying to figure out stores. See See. I, mean in the book. Your idea of being a planned community is sort of like plan to perfection, or it's planned for perfection. At when I was reading the book, it made me realize like wow, that could feel like a really confining thing for some people gave me this new perspective on it, because I think that there were a lot of characters in the book that did feel confined by that that that created. Created, a certain amount of pressure I think that for when you grow up here. The idea of this being a plans community feels that we were doing things in a very intentional way are planning was to try to be an expression of our values and many situations. Yeah, field planned planned. You appreciate all the little details, but you don't feel like some Utopian side right? Yeah, you're you're not in a simulation. Right. No, you're not and really what it gets to that. It's created a physical environment. That's a really nice place to live. starting to talk a little bit more about little fires everywhere. Have you both read the book? Oh Yeah yes. Yes, I'm. What were your initial reactions to it? Well, you know my initial reaction. If I I was a little taken aback, because like personify Shaker, so since it's a work of literature, it kind of makes us more than what we are prepared for this I went back and read parts of the book and on second reading. It wasn't so shocking to me because it really is a fair portrayal of our community. It's very accurate about the details of the city. Shaker actually has a life. Life in a personality so feels like a character in the book. Yeah, I would agree and you know. It was really fun to read it. The accuracy was really amazing, but I also have to say that. Having gone to the high school scenes in the high school were so incredibly accurate I felt like I was back in high school I mean. She talked specifically about our backyard pickup for Gurvich. Yes, which people from not around the east side of Cleveland thinks it's the most bizarre. Process, they ever heard of. It's actually fantastic. It is fantastic, but it's part of the value of the community not to have garbage on the front lawn to keep your community beautiful, and then other characters in the story that you felt particularly connected to a I was captivated by the you know the high school kids in the book because I thought the experience with billy genuine I did feel like Elena was. You know almost a caricature of people here? It was sort of an extreme version of people here in her. You know her drive for perfection, and you know like I said before that sort of connection between everything being planned and you know. Know perfect and controlling for the messy mess, I didn't really connect with that but I did think the kids and their experience here seemed real, and the interactions between them I think it reflected our diverse community, and that we do have a lot of single parent households and Shaker and part of it is because forty percent of our housing stock is actually stock. Be It two family homes like the one they lived on winslow were apartment buildings, or Condo's so even though Shaker Heights seems like you know the picture, perfection and single family home ownership. We are actually have a good percentage of rental property in our city and people who are single single. Single parents or lower income are in a lot of those rental properties, so I felt that was very real portrayal of that type of people that lived here right, and that is of course where we find Mia and Pearl living in the show in the rental property owned by Lena's family on winslow road. She talked about the book. Winslow wrote historic district and every two family home was designed to look like a single family home, and that designation that effort was recognized in the nineties by the designation of the street as a historic district to show that smaller homes had value and were held to the same share standards as larger house. You know that sort of. Of shown as one of the ways that Shakur was trying to be so.

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

09:17 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"Could say mentality that are happening with them. Guidance Counselor thing not only do. I noticed that like people of other races are discouraged discouraged from taking upper level classes but I also noticed that some classes will have mostly white students in some cases. We'll have mostly black students despite being the same level and that too and like another way of separating us even though just another reason why we should be more together because we all have the same type of ability. The guy's house system should be more aware that win separating the classes currently if you were able to get through to the powers that be in Shaker and make some changes. What kind of changes do you WANNA see made in your community? I think bay thing with education is just like with teachers are AP classes auditors are white basically like finding more diversity in that tier. So we're hiring a chief diversity officer which when I was in highschool I wish you had a sheet diversity officer in administration so it's really cool to see that you're GonNa Hassle one who is solely focused on these issues and not like other administrators. Who have to like tackle this this issue while doing their job like this is going to be so. It's first priority. So I am appreciative. I think also that we need to address the wealth gaps and obviously the wealth cout correlates directly with rates. If you don't have the resources to have a tutor he might not have the ability to have the resources that some of your white counterparts have because they have a tutor or if you don't have the resources to buy expensive across the equipment like my brother plays across and he's one of the only African Americans on the Cross surreally Tackling the wealth gap. So just really far families in Shaker to understand what is and truly wanting to have equity for everyone. Thank you so much to all three of you for taking the time to talk with us I really appreciate it in. Kill thank you so as you can hear. Shaker is a very complicated place and I was still trying to wrap my around. The INS and outs of what a plan community really is and what it represents so I put on my big girl. Elena pants minus all the problematic parts and I decided to ask the women who are currently leading the charge planning Shaker today. This is a conversation I had recently with Joyce Braverman eat director of Shaker Heights city planning and Julie Voice. The Shaker Heights communications director the week before little fires everywhere first aired so. Let's take a listen. Hello Ladies so Before we get started just so everyone can tell who's speaking. Let's just introduce ourselves. Hi I'm Julie McGovern Boise and I am the director of Communications and marketing for the city of Shaker Heights. And I'm Joyce Braverman and I am the planning director for the city of Shaker Heights and I've been with the city for thirty years. I've only been with the city for ten years but I was raised here. Buffo for many people Watching little fires everywhere is going to be their introduction to Shaker Heights just for us. Newcomers to describe what is Shaker Heights. We are a community real planned by the fan. Swear brothers in the early nineteen hundreds nineteen twelve. Most of the land of Shaker Heights early in their career so they developed this beautiful community. They wanted to control how the built form look so that was very important to them and they had a publication called the swearing design standards and these talked about building. Your House in three styles and this appears in the book Tudor French colonial and they also had standards for painkillers and which colors to paint the trim of your house. The body of the house They also called for the homes to be designed by a competent architect in what they meant by. This was an architect that was known. It was an era in the early. Nineteen hundreds where some of the fines architects were at the height of their careers in the Cleveland area and also to regulate good taste. They were very concerned about someone who might not have good taste. That's kind of the history of Shaker Heights. That's so interesting. I'm I'm very interested in the planning aspect especially because it's just a concept that is kind of foreign to me so when the syringe brothers said good taste what did they mean by that so they were very concerned with what the roof slipped like. And what the windows looked like. And the garages were the garages. I said the garages were not in are still not allowed to have doors facing street so as an attached garage met you came up. You're driving did a u-turn into the garage with the door facing the rear or a detached garage would have adore facing sideways. So again came in your driveway. Instead of going right into your garage you made a right. Turn or left turn They are our garage doors and eyesore. I'm trying I'm trying to figure out yet. Stores see see I mean in the book. Your idea of being a planned community is sort of like plan to perfection or it's planned for perfection. At when I was reading the book it made me realize like wow that could feel like a really confining thing for some people gave me this new perspective on it because I think that there were a lot of characters in the book that did feel confined by that that that created a certain amount of pressure. I think that for when you grow up here. The idea of this being a plans community feels that we were doing things in a very intentional way are planning was to try to be an expression of our values and many Situations Yeah field planned planned. You appreciate all the little details but you don't feel like some Utopian side right. Yeah you're you're not in a simulation right. No you're not and really what it gets to that. It's created a physical environment. That's a really nice place to live Starting to talk a little bit more about little fires everywhere. Have you both read the book? Oh Yeah Yes yes. I'm what were your initial reactions to it. Well you know my initial reaction if I I was a little taken aback because like personify Shaker so since it's a work of literature it kind of makes us more than what we are prepared for this. I went back and read parts of the book and on second reading. It wasn't so shocking to me because it really is a fair portrayal of our community. It's very accurate about the details of the city. Shaker actually has a life in a personality so feels like a character in the book. Yeah I would agree and you know it was really fun to read it. The accuracy was really amazing but I also have to say that having gone to the high school the scenes in the high school for so incredibly accurate. I felt like I was back in high school. I mean she taught the specifically about our backyard. Pickup for Gurvich. Yes which people from not around the east side of Cleveland thinks it's the most bizarre process they ever heard of. It's actually fantastic. It is fantastic. But it's part of the value of the community Not to have garbage on the front lawn to keep your community beautiful and then other characters in the story that you felt particularly connected to A. I was captivated by the you know the high school kids in the book because I thought the experience with billy genuine I did feel like Elena was you know almost a caricature of people here. It was sort of an extreme version of people here in her. You know her drive for perfection and you know like I said before that sort of connection between everything being planned and you know perfect and controlling for the messy mess. I didn't really connect with that But I did think the kids and their experience here seemed real and the interactions between them. I think it reflected our diverse community and that we do have a lot of single parent households and Shaker And part of it is because forty percent of our housing stock is stock. Be Two family homes like the one they lived on winslow were apartment buildings or condos so even though Shaker Heights seems like you know the picture perfection and single family home ownership we are actually have a good percentage of rental property in our city and people who are single. Single parents or lower income are in a lot of those rental properties. So I felt that was very real portrayal that type of people that lived here right and that is of course where we find Mia and Pearl living in the show. In the rental property owned by Lena's family on winslow road. She talked about the book. Winslow wrote historic district and every two family home was designed to look like a single.

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

07:09 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"Little tidbits that I've been allowed to have up until now, and you see that me is running up against the limits of how she's been living her life, too. There's there's definitely. Not Anyone in this story who comes out as sort of the hands, clean, faultless person in the story. It is very much like an inch of the woods. Moment of there's you know. Everyone's pointing their fingers, and saying it's your fault, and the truth is that it's kind of everybody's fault, and that question of good intentions to. It's like you know we're. We're trying so. So hard to be our best selves, and we're also human beings, and of course the problem is that we always think that you know your good intentions are are enough and should field you and do shield many people from the actual consequences of your actions, and this is really a story about a lot of your actions coming home, and those consequences coming back to you. Thank you again to Celeste in for the perspective, and for the book that we are all very obsessed with. So insulated. We have a perfect end to the Shaker heights of the nineteen nineties, but I was curious about what she is now twenty twenty has there been any easing to the many social issues we see play in the series and are the problems that Pearl Warren faces at Shaker high specifically with getting into honors classes as a black student, still relevant at the school today and to answer these questions I was lucky to get in. In touch with tear sergeant, one of the supervisors and a twenty fourteen graduate of the school's Student Group on race, relations or score, which is a group at Shaker high that aims to have prince students educate others in the community about systemic oppression, and to foster healthier race relations in Shaker, joining us on this call, as well are to current Shaker high students and members of score. Students feared Christopher and curly Leeman. Let's take a listen. Hi. My name is tear, sergeant and I am the score adviser. Carly in score core leader I'm jared I'm also core leader amazing so I. I am curious I mean because so much of the story follows the trials and tribulations of high school students in Shaker but almost twenty five years ago, so just from your own personal experience having grown up there. What is that experience like growing in a very planned community? What are the advantages? And then what are the drawbacks if any tear Moreland critic. We used to have our own elementary school because I think it was planned for everybody to be able to walk to their own schools, our neighborhood, we are best to the Mercer neighborhood name so. Essentially Moreland is a all African. American. IMMERSIVE is all white so your bus there to start integrating ambitious elementary school, so I think that'll do like the planned community. Like, I think it is a nice privilege that we don't recognize, but then you could see like how the plan didn't work in like how Mercer students are summer, students are bused to another neighborhoods I. wanted to ask about that because there is a storyline in little fires everywhere the series involving a black student who's transferred into Shaker from another school, and experiences a lot of resistance from the guidance counselor system in getting into the advanced classes. She deserves to be in because of her race. Is that something you've seen reflected in the current Shaker heights system. Yeah I! I think the guidance counselor issue we're. We're talking and that is like. That was shocking. Detail that it's still true. I think a lot of times up. Black families have to still fight for their children to have advanced classes so about a month ago, we had an open discussion about how we say at Shaker that we have open enrollment, but do we truly have open enrollment? Black are still constantly fighting for their kids to be the classes. ADV experienced this, jared. Your mom mentioned that you've experienced that rubs, but then also carly's rather Sam always makes this point about like. H and how yes, we want equity in the district, but sometimes y parents have to understand that they have privilege to and they. They might say that they want equity, but they really don't want equity, because it might seem that bear child is. Getting a resource taken away, so it's really bringing awareness to these types of we could say mentality. That are happening with them. Guidance Counselor, thing not only do I noticed that like people of other races are discouraged discouraged from taking upper level classes, but I also noticed that some classes will have mostly white students. In some cases we'll have mostly black students despite being the same level and that too, and like another way of separating us even though just another reason why we should be more together because we all. All have the same type of ability. The guy's house system should be more aware that win separating the classes currently, if you were able to get through to the powers that be in Shaker and make some changes. What kind of changes do you WANNA? See made in your community. Think Bay thing with Education Gaff is just like with teachers are AP classes auditors are white, basically like finding more diversity in that. Tier so we're hiring a chief diversity officer. which when I was in highschool, I wish we had a sheet diversity officer in administration, so it's really cool to see that you're. GonNa Hassle. One Who is solely focused on these issues and not like other administrators who is to like tackle this this issue while doing their job like this is going to be so it's first priority so I. AM appreciative I think also that we need to address the wealth gaps, and obviously the wealth cout correlates. Correlates directly with rates. If you don't have the resources to have a tutor, you might not have the ability to have the resources that some of your white counterparts have because they have a tutor, or if you don't have the resources to buy expensive across the equipment, like my brother plays across, and he's one of the only African Americans on the Cross, surreally tackling the wealth gap, so just really far families in Shaker to understand what is and truly wanting to have equity for everyone. Thank you so much to all three of you for taking the time to talk with us. I really appreciate it in kill. Thank you. So as you can hear, Shaker is a very complicated place. And I was still trying to wrap my around the INS and outs of what a plan community really is, and what it represents, so I put on my big girl Elena pants, minus all the problematic parts, and I decided to ask the women who are currently leading the charge.

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

11:39 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"And I am your co host Jamie Loftus so if you're listening to this right after watching episode for we have a lot to talk about and today. I'm excited to give you a little taste of what Shaker Heights. Ohio is really like in this episode for going to be speaking with the author of little fires. Everywhere the novel Celeste Ing. And we're also going to be speaking with real life Shaker Heights residents today both city planners and current students with these student council on race relations. Really good stuff but before we get there. I wanted to give you a brief history lesson. I know bear with me. This is a brief history of Shaker Heights. Ohio because Shaker heights as you already know from watching the show is not your average community. So Shaker Heights reached city status in one thousand nine hundred thirty one and like the nineties. Iteration we see in little fires everywhere it is known for its extremely specific building codes and zoning laws carefully planning regulating the length of grass the color of houses how far any given how should be from the nearest elementary school and ensuring that the city is neighborhood watched inside walked carefully amongst other things. Shaker Heights is not the only place of its kind. There are over a hundred plan cities and communities currently active in the US but Shaker is by far the most famous of them in part because of its reputation for adopting progressive policies. That would later become standard across the country because over the years. Shaker Heights has made a variety of efforts to encourage integration in their community to varying levels of success. Ask for it a couple. More years in nineteen seventy nine. Things were finally starting to look up with the housing office. Promising to show white homebuyers homes in predominantly black neighborhoods and vice versa. This initiative led to something called the fund. For the future of Shaker Heights in Nineteen eighty-six a homebuyers loan program that provided black homebuyers with loans to encourage them to move into neighborhoods. That were at least ninety percent white and white homeowners loans to move into neighborhoods that were at least fifty percent black and while well intentioned one of the themes in the show. This program was not able to overcome the inherent white supremacy of the real estate market itself. And not many black homebuyers were able to afford homes in the majority white areas and so by the nineteen ninety s white homebuyers were receiving ninety percent of the loans distributed. And you know. Who else was in Shaker? Heights in Nineteen ninety-seven author Celeste? In Celeste was a student at Shaker high at the time that her novel takes place the World That Mia and Pearl Warren drive into in their station wagon in the pilot episode. It's a world driven by for better or worse he quote Unquote Good Intentions of Elena. Richardson and her fellow Shaka Rights. I got the chance to catch up with Celeste to get some insight into her history with Shaker Heights. And what about bad experience growing up a way to the book and series? We now know in love so without further ado your Celeste Hazel last So just to get started. Would you mind telling me a little bit about your personal history? Engineer Heights sure. I grew up in Shaker Heights I move there a little bit before I turned ten and then I lived there until I went away to college since about eighteen and it was a really formative police for me and I learned a lot growing up there and it did shape me into the person that I am for for better answer wars. Largely I think for better. It is a community that really puts its ideals up fronts. That's shown I think not only in the history of the town which was built as a sort of idealized town. Every road was planned out so that you know the the traffic wouldn't dart through the the neighborhood. It would keep the area quiet. No children would have to cross a major street And it was also a place that at least starting from the nineteen fifties was really heavily. Invested in the idea of desegregation and of being racially diverse. At least in terms of black and white so in the nineteen fifties there was a bomb at the house of a prominent black lawyer who lives in Heights and this was at the height of white flight. It was a problem that was happening. All of the country and Shaker Heights. Had this moment where they had to decide. What are we going to do about this? Are we going to give in and let the different areas of town become more segregated or are we going to actively try and combat that and they chose to actively try and do something about it? And that's really been one of the guiding principles for the community since then so when you were writing little fires everywhere. What was on your mind about the Shaker you grew up in it is a place that is trying in ways. That many other places aren't and the question always is okay. Are you trying enough? What's what's going wrong or is it just human nature and I think that's one of the questions that the community has been wrestling with for at least the thirty years that I've been connected with it. Is that sort of open question of intentions versus. What actually comes out. I mean they haven't solved No but at the same time neither has anyone else. And that's because these problems are really huge and really complicated and you were just trying to sort of wrestle with as best we can okay. So what are the sort of questions that you were grappling with in regards to Shakur throughout the writing of this book I mean. How much can you kind of adhere to that idealism? I think it's easy for us to see Alana's idealism even illionis dogmatism. We might call it in that. She has an idea of how your life is supposed to work right. She has an idea of what you're supposed to be doing. These are the good choices that you're supposed to be making assuming that you have them rate It's easy for us to see that I think because a culture we're really biased towards the the idea of the free spirit. We'd like to think of ourselves as being free spirits and rebels of that's kind of that's part of the foundation of identity rate were. We're you're here so you can do whatever you want. But the truth is that MIA also has her own kind of idealism almost sort of fanaticism that she thinks. This is how an artist lives. You give up all these things for your art to the point that you maybe uproots your daughter in the service if you're art that she really sacrifices a lot and I think she starts to see also the limits of those things where she comes to Shaker Heights. There's that really really wrenching moment. In the early episodes where Pearl says to her. I want more than one wall. You know she's she's saying I want to be able to stay here. I want more than just a little tidbits that I've been allowed to have up until now and you see that me is running up against the limits of how she's been living her life too. There's there's definitely not anyone in this story who comes out as sort of the hands clean faultless person in the story. It is very much like an inch of the woods. Moment of there's everyone's pointing their fingers and think it's your fault and the truth is that it's kind of everybody's fault and that question of good intentions to it's like you know we're we're trying so hard to be our best selves and we're also human beings and of course. The problem is that we always think that you know your good intentions are are enough and should field you and do shield many people from the actual consequences of your actions and this is really a story about a lot of your actions coming home and those consequences coming back to you. Thank you again to Celeste in for the perspective and for the book that we are all very obsessed with so insulated. We have a perfect end to the Shaker heights of the nineteen nineties but I was curious about what she is now. Twenty twenty has there been any easing to the many social issues. We see play in the series and are the problems that Pearl. Warren faces at Shaker. High specifically with into honors classes as a black student still relevant at the school today and to answer these questions. I was lucky to get in touch with tear. Sergeant one of the supervisors and a twenty fourteen graduate of the school's Student Group on race relations or score which is a group at Shaker. High that aims to have prince students educate others in the community about systemic oppression and to foster care race relations in Shaker. Joining us on this call as well are to current Shaker. High students and members of score students feared Christopher and curly Leeman. Let's take a listen. Hi My name is tear sergeant and I am the score adviser Carly in score core leader. I'm jared core leader amazing so I I am curious. I mean because so much of the story follows the trials and tribulations of high school students in Shaker but almost twenty five years ago so just from your own personal experience having grown up there. What is that experience like growing in a very planned community? What are the advantages and then What are the drawbacks? If any tear More linguistic we used to have our own elementary school. Because I think it was planned for everybody to be able to walk to their own schools. Our neighborhood we are best to the Mercer neighborhood name. So essentially Moreland is a all African. American IMMERSED IS ALL WHITE. So your bus there to start integrating ambitious elementary school. So I think that'll do like the planned community like I think it is a nice privilege that we don't recognize but then you could see like how the plan didn't work in like how Mercer Students are summers. Students are bused to another neighborhoods. I wanted to ask about that because there is a storyline in little fires everywhere the series involving a black student. Who's transferred into Shaker from another school and experiences a lot of resistance from the guidance counselor system in getting into the advanced classes? She deserves to be in because of her race. Is that something you've seen? Reflected in the current Shaker Heights system. Yeah I think the guidance counselor issue we we are talking and that is like that was shocking detail that it's still true. I think a lot of times of black families have to still fight for their children to have advanced classes so about a month ago. We had an open discussion about how we say at Shaker that we have open enrollment. But do we truly have open enrollment? Black families are still constantly fighting for their kids to be the classes adv experienced this. I know jared. Your mom mentioned that you've experienced that rubbed but then also carly's rather Sam always makes this point about like h And how yes we want equity in the district but sometimes y parents have to understand that they have privilege to and they they might say that they want equity but they really don't want equity because it might seem that bear child is getting a resource taken away so it's really bringing awareness to these types of. We.

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"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

07:01 min | 4 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast

"And I am your co host Jamie Loftus so if you're listening to this right after watching. For, we have a lot to talk about and today I'm excited to give you a little taste of what Shaker Heights Ohio is really like in this episode for going to be speaking with the author of little fires everywhere, the novel Celeste Ing, and we're also going to be speaking with real life Shaker. Heights residents today both city planners and current students with these student council on race relations, really good stuff, but before we get there. I wanted to give you a brief history lesson I know bear with me. This is a brief history of Shaker. Heights Ohio because Shaker Heights. As you already know from watching, the show is not your average community. So Shaker Heights reached city status in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty one, and like the nineties iteration we see little fires everywhere it is known for its extremely specific building codes and zoning laws carefully planning regulating the length of grass, the color of houses. How far any given? How should be from the nearest elementary school and ensuring that the city is neighborhood watched inside walked carefully amongst other things. Shaker Heights is not the only place of its kind. There are over a hundred plan cities and communities. Communities currently active in the US, but Shaker is by far the most famous of them in part because of its reputation for adopting progressive policies that would later become standard across the country. Because over the years, Shaker Heights has made a variety of efforts to encourage integration in their community to varying levels of success fast forward a couple more years in nineteen seventy nine things were finally starting to look up with the housing office, promising to show white homebuyers homes in predominantly black neighborhoods and vice versa. Versa this initiative led to something called the Fund, for the future of Shaker Heights in Nineteen eighty-six a homebuyers loan program that provided black homebuyers with loans to encourage them to move into neighborhoods that were at least ninety percent, white and white homeowners loans to move into neighborhoods that were at least fifty percent black, and while well intentioned, one of the themes in the show, this program was not able to overcome the inherent white supremacy of the real estate market itself, and not many black homebuyers were. Were able to afford homes in the majority white areas, and so by the nineteen ninety S, white homebuyers were receiving ninety percent of the loans distributed. And you know who else was in Shaker Heights in nineteen, ninety-seven author Celeste in Celeste was a student at Shaker high at the time that her novel takes place the World That Mia and Pearl Warren drive into and their station wagon in the pilot episode. It's a world driven by for better or worse, he quote unquote good intentions of Elena. And her fellow Shaka rights I got the chance to catch up with Celeste to get some insight into her history with Shaker Heights, and what about bad experience, growing up a way to the and series we now know in love so without further. Ado Your Celeste. He's last so just to get started. Would you mind telling me a little bit about your personal history? Engineer Heights sure I grew up in Shaker Heights move there a little bit before I turned ten, and then I lived there until I went away to college since about eighteen, and it was a really formative police for me and I learned a lot growing up there, and it did shape me into the person that I am for for better answer, wars largely I think for better. It is a community that really puts its ideals. right up front. That's shown. I think not only in the history of the town which was built as a sort of idealized town. Every road was planned out so that you know the the traffic wouldn't dart through the the neighborhood. It would keep the area quiet. No children would have to cross a major street and it was also a place that, at least starting from the nineteen fifties was really heavily invested in the idea of desegregation and of being racially diverse at least in terms of black and white. So in the nineteen fifties, there was a bomb at the house of a prominent black lawyer who lives in Heights, and this was at the height of white flight. It was a problem that was happening. All of the country and Shaker Heights had this moment where they had to decide. What are we going to do about this? Are we going to give in and let? The different areas of town become more segregated, or are we going to actively try and combat that and they chose to actively try and do something about it, and that's really been one of the guiding principles for the community, since then so when you were writing little fires everywhere, what was on your mind about the Shaker? You grew up in. It is a place that is trying in ways that many other places aren't and the question always is okay. Are you trying enough? What's what's going wrong? Or is it just human nature and I think that's one of the questions that the community has been wrestling with for at least the thirty years. That I've been connected with it. Is that sort of open question of intentions versus what actually comes out I? Mean they haven't solved No, but at the same time neither has anyone else, and that's because these problems are really huge in really complicated and. You were just trying to sort of wrestle with as best we can. Okay, so what are the sort of questions that you were grappling with in regards to Shakur throughout the writing of this book I mean. How much can you kind of adhere to that idealism? I think it's easy for us to see Elena. As idealism even illionis dogmatism, we might call it in that. She has an idea of how your life is supposed to work right. She has an idea of what. What you're supposed to be doing. These are the good choices that you're supposed to be making assuming that you have them rate It's easy for us to see that I. Think because a culture where really biased towards the the idea of the free spirit. We'd like to think of ourselves as being know free spirits and rebels. That's kind of that's part of the foundation of identity rate. Were we're you're here, so you can do whatever you want, but the truth is that. Mia also has her own kind of idealism. Almost sort of fanaticism that she thinks this is how an artist lives. You give up all these things for your art to the point that you maybe uproots your daughter in the service. If you're art that she really sacrifices a lot and I think she starts to see also the limits of those things where she comes to Shaker Heights. There's that. Really wrenching moment. In the early episodes, where Pearl says to her I want more than one wall. You know she's. She's saying I want to be able to stay here. I. Want more than just a.

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Shaker Heights: A Clockwork Orange

True Crime Garage

10:17 min | 6 months ago

Shaker Heights: A Clockwork Orange

"Lisa pruitt is dead. Someone stabbed her twenty one times in the early morning hours of September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety. She was found behind the Mansion. Where her boyfriend? Dan dreifort lived with his parents. Dance friends pointed the finger at the weird kid in school Kevin Young. And although there was no evidence linking Kevin to the crime and even though he had an alibi he quickly became the prime suspect for the detectives of the Small Town Department. They were out of their league and they knew it so they enlisted a renowned psychologist from Syracuse University. To help them get a confession from Kevin Young. No matter what I understand that in indeed. That's a very powerful alibi that the father indicates the Dan was in fact in his room and that they both heard the screams together. Yes that's that's very powerful. There is some I must say that we we had some difficulty still however with Dan subsequent behavior he after they go out to the edge of the property and and I'll go back into the home apparently satisfied that the source of the scream has left the area or whatever and that they can't find anything unusual. Apparently Dan rea exits the house to find the bicycle and then in fact without telling his parents called nine one one on his own to report what he believes to be. Now suspicious circumstances but then when the parents here the PRUITT's outside on the long you know and they're distraught in here are all these police vehicles. The crime scene being established up. Dan goes to bed falls asleep while the parents are waiting for the plain clothes. Detective to come in and interview them I found that I found that unusual in somewhat disconcerted but what we decided here was that Dick decided that well. That's not that's academic right. Because it's not Dan that we're going to be interrogating. It's it's Kevin. And whether or not he's the guy or not. We want to give the full shot to use the best psychological coercion. We can't right if in fact so that we get an admission out of him if in fact he is the killer. What is is the form talking to Kevin? Now he's gone to well. What we're trying to do is get a grand. Jury assembled where all witnesses would be subpoenaed and questioned before a grand jury including Kevin Young. What kind of immunity is involved in that None that I know of council allowed no Council no counsel he may take the Fifth Amendment. Almost certainly council would advise him to do that given that he has no immunity even willing immunity in such an interrogation right. Kevin is on a legally qualifies for adult offenders. Status is that right. That's right. Let me try to discords for a minute or two about what I believe to be. The psychological dynamics behind Kevin's peculiarities. There's no question that on the face of it Kevin's evidences self loathing self-deprecation what is sometimes called poor self image. He is in fact. I some suspicion that his own hospitalization was for an abortive suicide attempt to be the case the most recent one yes not to mojos while he indicated to the interviewer that he had nothing left to live for. I have that person with me. The officer that did the interviewing surgeon gray is here with me in my office. An excellent job by the way sergeant it was it was obviously a very productive interview. Even though we didn't get an admission there are some very revealing points that you undoubtedly felt that he was just about to tumble to to Rollover Dick and I both commented that In reading your report that first of all frequently visiting the bathroom. How many times three times within some short span of time right right all the signs of stress that something is bothering him. Yeah I mean all the physical signs in terms of I contact motion sitting back and forth in your chair and all the classic kind of interview things that you'd like to see once in a while. Were all clearly there. I mean the stress was real high on his level. What do you make of him saying that he could tell you that he had done it? And then he'd go to the hospital for a couple years but he really couldn't live with themselves. He he didn't tell you the truth. I mean I mean it's almost like is there truth other than he did it that I mean one of the things. We had been warned about ahead of time was the possibility that he had already justified. Some sort of course of action in mind and if his justification at something to do with it no. I really didn't do it or someone else did it. I mean if maybe he had totally blocked it out. We really don't know I mean. We were already prepared for the possibility that he had justified. This somehow and that he wasn't going to feel Yes this is On Jim Rights advice right right. Yeah I I. I concur a denial defense mechanism. For Kevin is high in his hierarchies of his ego protection. He is he's a fantasize he's A. His behavior is compensatory character. Who let me talk about that a bit. I think when you find such virulent self-deprecation self loathing I think you need to reach for an account doesn't doesn't stand on its own merit and the account is that you look at this. The self-loathing as compensatory behavior as denial behavior that is to say denial of the intrinsic the underlying belief that you are in fact superior that you are ideal in every way that you are a nip The opposite of someone who is unworthy you're Cream Lee worthy but that those thoughts are anxiety producing the Greeks used to call that the sin of Shoebridge. The notion that you aspired to God hood that you that you are. God causes enormous anxiety and anxieties compensated for defended against by the posture of the self deprecating. Self loathing fence. So you're very happy to talk about your being suicidal you're being unworthy. Nobody will talk to you. You're not found desirable by either men or women or what. What have you because that's your pose? That's your deception. What you don't want to talk about is the fact that your God that you control everyone that you believe you control your life etc and all the people around you you live in deception oppose the opposite of it. It seems to me that of what a perhaps in the attack we originally took. You don't minimize you. You maximize what he did his responsibility. His significance is capacity that the crime is important not minimal. He doesn't need help. He needs a pause for what he was able to accomplish his significance his importance etc is guilt feeling his guilt and there's no doubt that he in fact feels guilty in this post offense behavior of of starting a new life and I found that very significant in the statement that his profile of the killer suggest that he would move on and start a new life and then when he referred to a circumstances at college he referred to that as a new life for him right. He's in fact. He's very comfortable and whatever guilt he may have had. I think he's been able to deal with. I think that it's transparent and obvious that the guild is not sufficient to compensate or overbalanced his fears of the punishment that will accrue to will follow upon confession of that guilt. He's already fantasized circumstances of his imprisonment. So what we need to do is is. We need to arouse him around the Gilt again and that that may be difficult because now he's had ample time to scar over to see. Nothing is going to happen. That he's been successful is God like powers him again. Faced him because he is invincible? But I think that's the tact. We need to take that. He should feel guilty. He doesn't need help. He needs punishment. Does he feel that guilt. Still know as I'm saying I think he's originally it's completely it was able to compensate adequately for this because God felt guilt indeed the opposite. He would've been conflicted between feeling the importance of having done something that ordinary mortals. Don't do you normally mortals. Don't kill he understands. I think this his problems with his impulse control. He's impulsive is a great deal of difficulty with impulse control. He has to guard against this incredible power. That is within him this this power anger violence in. He asked to protect themselves from that and part of that his pose self deprecation etc the self-loathing. We need to play to what he believes to be his strengths. An inch doing we will arouse in him. His anxieties the anxieties and feeling god-like and those anxieties will trigger his guilt feelings again. We need to do what you would do. More with a a serial killer. It seems to me has in favor of the notions of power in being able to kill to recreate that sense of power significance that life taking capacity the interview took the tact of minimizing. You need help. Well you know they don't really you know you. Full offenders can mitigate this to the judge because he felt remorse etcetera etcetera. I'm saying and we know that that didn't work right. I'm saying we maximize the crime instead. Maximize the power the significance. You go back through the crime with a kind of fallacious dwelling upon the details but particularly with respect to the power the sheer marvelous power of being able to take the likes. You follow me

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"shaker heights" Discussed on True Crime Garage

True Crime Garage

09:39 min | 6 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"He said that it took him like three hours to complete the first time but that after he played at once he could do it in about twenty minutes. He said he played intend to a lot. But that it was really his brother's game. He jokingly said that he has to get along with his little brother or his brother won't let them play. Kevin said he realized he was a little old for some of these video games but said they were at great challenge and a lot of fun. We took our time and walk back to the Moto. Tompkins ski went to prepare for the polygraph and Kevin. I began just talking about things in general I was working to have him very relaxed for the test. I ask Kevin if you felt pretty good about taking the polygraph and he did. We discussed again calling his mother and he repeated that he wanted to wait until after the polygraph. Kevin asked if we would be done after the polygraph. If we could talk a little and I said it was up to him and he asked if I could get some more pop and make sure that we had cigarettes so that we could take some time to talk after the test. He said he already missed his classes. And basically the whole day was spent and if we need to talk about that we could Kevin also said he'd like to talk awhile before he took the polygraph by now he was about ten. Am and we talk until about noon. During that time we discussed the incident again. We talked about how Kevin learned about the incident. And who is friends are? I asked who his best friend was and Kevin mentioned a letter. He was writing to John Hilliard. He explained that he was writing the letter but probably wouldn't send it because he expected to see him in a couple of weeks. He added that in the letter. He told John how well things are going at college. He also said he wrote about his roommate in his roommate's girlfriend. He said he wrote about her. Pda public displays of affection. Kevin added that she didn't really bother him but he just kind of jokingly said those kind of things because people expected to hear that from him. We then got to talking about computers. He said he had an apple computer at home. And it just learned to write in print on it but that was about all. He added that he had to give the computer to assist her. A ninth grader Shaker. Before he left to come down to Columbus I then asked him when he had come down to Columbus. He said he brought all of his stuff on the ninth of September. To try out for band. He said that he changed his mind about band left his stuff in the dormitory and went home. I asked him why he changed his mind and he said it was a lot of things. He said that he was nervous. About being away from home that most of the kids had been down there practicing for two weeks he added that bad also took a lot of time and was only worth two credits he also said he was never really into marching band that he enjoyed music but not marching. He seem nervous discussing band and change the subject. He mentioned a couple of girls that had come up to him in classes and talk to him. He added that they just came up to him and that he did not have to talk I. He went on to talk about how glad he was to be away from Shaker. Who's excited to have a whole new life and was glad to be away from the problems. He had schicker. He felt the kids Shaker. Were tough and related that he had a lot of friends but that they make him feel like an outcast I asked if he was referring to the G G C Kevin laughed and then talk about the girls and boys in about Prom night. He brought up the after Prom Party and told me that he has a tendency to build up his expectations and that he really felt angry. About what the girls did to him. He brought up Arabic and said that he basically hung out there the summer. I asked him how Dan Lisa fit in he described. Dan is best friend of his for a long time and that during the time that Lisa was in town he and dance a lot of time together. He went on to say that between Lisa being back in town and Dan being in the hospital that he really hadn't seen Dan much lately. I then ask Kevin what clothes he brought back from Columbus for his last week. Here I explained that we did not find any of his clothes when we wrote his house. He said all of his clothes were in the clothes. Shoot I told him the kids all remember him wearing one set of clothes he said most of the week. He wore a skateboarder t shirt. Blue Jeans and MOCCASINS. He said on the cool nights he wore a blue plaid flannel shirt. He added that matched what we knew and I said basically I thought from it and asked if he saw Dan the day Dan got out of the hospital. Kevin explained that even though he considered Dan best friend that he had not felt it important to try to get in touch with Dan or to talk to him the day that he got out. Kevin said he was aware that everybody at the high school was excited to see Dan and that Leeson Dan had been around together and at least it was very excited to see him. We talk next about tax. Ken Workman Kevin was in a very talkative mood. During this time period and I was basically listening and letting him talk around noon. Kevin said that he felt good that he was ready to take the polygraph. I left him in room. Five twenty. I told him that I did go to Tom. Geoghan Skis Room and talked to him about setting up for the test. At this time I learned that we had a problem and had to be out of the room by two PM. Jim Brochures had made arrangements for another room if needed also while heaven was waiting for me and five twenty. I Call Jim. Right from five sixteen. I discussed my concern that Kevin felt safe here and was prolonging the interview. I felt that Kevin did not want the interview to end. He felt the Kevin felt safe with me. We agree that we had to confront him and end. The interview. Arrangements were also made with Thompkins skied around the polygraph. And that if it came up clearing Kevin Young of any involvement that he should discuss that with Kevin and that if it came back with obvious deception that Tomkins ski should confront him with the deception and be prepared for the fact that Kevin might look like. He's about ready to admit. And that at that point that Tom Clancy should stop the confrontation and leave the room. And that Kevin thing for a few minutes until I return to the room to complete the confrontation I then went back and talk to Kevin and told him that either we had to be done by two PM or that. We had to move to another room. I gave him the option of taking the test. Right away or having lunch I while. Tom caskey changed rooms and set up his equipment in the other room. Kevin Thought Lunch sounded good and ask. We could go for Pizza. Specifically Pizza Hut. If there was one around I went to ask Thompkin Haski to change rooms and Kevin asked me to get some more coke and cigarettes in case we needed to talk. After the polygraph we again talked about calling home and Kevin said he wanted to wait until after the polygraph test. I saw Tom Jansky in return to the room. Kevin and I then walked to the front desk asked if there was a pizza hut and got directions to one nearby on high street. We agreed to split a pizza and Kevin ordered a medium Pepperoni Pan Pizza. We took our time and again talked about college and college life and being away from home and he talked about how it was scary. It was basically casual conversation. Kevin kept coming back to talking about his friends from Shaker. And how good it felt to be away from Shaker. Returned to the motel about one thirty PM and went to room for twenty one as we walk there. Kevin said that if the test didn't work well he would be willing to spend another night. He added that he felt very comfortable talking and felt confident. That if we talked long enough that we would be able to resolve everything when we got to the room. Tom Hinchey was waiting there for us. Kevin was very relaxed. He asked if he could use the bathroom. I because of the large coke for lunch Kevin went into the bathroom. I met briefly with Tom and told him. I thought Kevin was very relaxed and ready for the polygraph when Kevin came out of the bathroom. He noticeably more tense than he had just been moments earlier. He was all tensed up and rubbing his hands together nervously. I asked Kevin if he still want to take the test and he said he was ready to go. I wished good luck and told him. I would return after the test at a few minutes before three. Pm when the polygraph test was complete Tomkins he left Kevin by himself in room. Four twenty one and came to room five sixteen to discuss the results. He said that he ran two tests that he had cleared exceptions on most of the questions dealing with Lisa that he confronted Kevin with a deception and that Kevin got tears in his eyes but said nothing Tompkins he said he had confronted Kevin directly about his involvement with Lisa and Kevin Again said. I didn't do it at about three PM. Jim Brochures and I went into the room. Kevin was sitting by the polygraph machine on a chair with a concerned almost teary look in his eyes. I ask Kevin if he remembered deputy chief brochures and Kevin said he did. I asked Kevin if he remembered deputy chief brochures and Kevin said he did. I told Kevin due to the pressure on this incident that they had sent deputy chief down to Columbus. Deputy Chief Brosius then left the room. I asked Kevin if he minded if I open the drapes and he said that that would be great. I sat down directly in front of him got very close and told them I was concerned. I sat down directly in front of them got very close and told him that. I was concerned and a little scared about what happened. He knew machine couldn't lie but he didn't understand why the machine was doing this to him. I paused for a couple of minutes and begin to slowly explained. Kevin the situation as I saw it. I told him that if he really was not involved in what happened to Lisa that.

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13:23 min | 6 months ago

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"Welcome to Shaker Heights episode five the crucible floating floating falling on the ground I freeze on children's eyelashes and blurred. They're altered vision of the world. They see a different earth than I of candy and playgrounds and eternal smiles. I see the truth cold. Bare trees stripped of life and hard ground. That poem was written by a sixteen year. Old Girl named Lisa. Pruitt not long before she was stabbed. Twenty one times and left for dead behind her. Boyfriend's house in Shaker Heights Ohio in September of nineteen ninety in the hours after her murder. A small group of close friends gathered away from their parents away from the police and made up their minds. The person who committed this crime was the weird kid in school. The Kid who wore metallica t shirts Kevin Young one by one. They went to police and pointed the finger at Kevin and although was not one piece of evidence linking Kevin to the crime scene regardless of the fact that he had an alibi the small town police were taken by the children's stories and they decided Kevin Young was their best suspect. A tragedy was playing out in real time. Just outside of Cleveland and the name of that tragedy was the crucible on September Twenty Sixth Nineteen Ninety several detectives from Shaker Heights traveled to Ohio State University where Kevin Young was beginning his freshman year. Because of what happens next Kevin. Young's life will be quite short. He will never hold down a real job or have any long relationships with women no family of his own he will die at the age of forty four and two thousand and seventeen the detectives have consulted with FBI profiler who explained how they could extract a confession from Kevin speak to him late at night. They said Bring Lots of Candy and Soda. Be Good Cops. Try to make friends with him. Let HIM FEEL SAFE. And so it goes Wednesday September twenty sixth nineteen ninety. Deputy Chief Jim rosiest detective sergeant. Dan Villardo detective top Kosinski officer Ben Hur Secretary Roz and I drove to Ohio State University. We arrived about six. Pm and met with captain. John Petrie and detective Jim Younger of Ohio State University Police Department also present. Detective Sergeant Tim Reid and detective. Tim Ward who had gone to Columbus earlier in the day. The cavs police assigned one of their officers to watch the dormitory to let us know. When Kevin Young came in we planned to make contact with Kevin About eight PM. We then went to the Ramada Inn to get settled and have dinner as of about eight. Pm The Columbus police had not located cabin. One of their officers called the phone. And Kevin's room ask for Kevin and was told he was not in this office than set up surveillance on Kevin's room about nine. Pm We decided to return to the police department. Upon our arrival detective younger explained that one of his undercover officers has just located Kevin Young. He explained that. This officer was dressed as a maintenance man. It was clean a trash room that gave him a direct view of Kevin. Young's dorm room. This officer had just reported that Kevin had left his room. Gone down the stairs and returned with pop. He added that Kevin was wearing a blue woodbury. Run T shirt. I followed detective younger to the dormitory. Rob Houses one of the dormitories. Moral Tower located on the campus at Ohio State University. Detective younger I entered the third or the main floor. This is the only entrance into staffed by students who provide security and limited access to the building. Detective younger identified himself as campus police and we went up the elevator to the fifth floor. There we met with the campus police officer who had seen Kevin Young. He told us that Kevin's roommate and a girl had just left but that Kevin was in the room the door to the quad dorm room number. Five fifty was open. As was the door to Kevin's room which was five fifty four. The open hallway door entered into a small living room. Type area to the rear of this area were four doors. Each leading to a dorm room shared by two students. Detective Young entered the quad dorm room through the open door and knocked on the door. Way To Kevin's room. I waited outside in the hall where I could both see and hear detective younger. Detective younger displayed. His badge identified himself as a campus police officer and told Kevin that someone was here to talk to him. Kevin said to ask him in and detective younger said it was private and suggested they step out in the hall and away from his roommates. It should be noted that we had selected the hallway because the room to the other quad. Dorm rooms were all closed. No one was in the hallway and Kevin's other roommates were in their rooms with their doors. Open Kevin said he needed to get off the phone. Kevin Young detective younger than walks into the hallway. I deduce myself as Tom. Gray from the Shaker Heights police department. As I said Shaker Heights police department. Kevin said the words with me. Kevin Nervously said he had been expecting to hear from us. I told Kevin I'd been interviewing a lot of people who had information about Lisa Pruitt. I added that rich mullany and Jim. Brosius had told me that during his first interview he had offered to come whenever necessary to help us with the case. I told him that since I needed his help. I thought it made more sense for me to come to Columbus. Kevin invited us into his room. I told him that I thought it was private and best be done away from his roommates. I added that I had asked detective younger to get me into the building because that would attract far less attention than the Shaker Heights. Police I went on to tell Kevin the we could use a room at the campus police department and he appeared to get very nervous. I then told him I was staying at the Ramada in about five minutes from campus and that we could use my room Kevin agreed and said he just needed to get some shoes or call home. He dialed the phone. That put it down gotta shoes and asked if he could call later. I told him he could call home in every wanted detective younger. Kevin Young and I walked towards the elevator. Kevin said the stairs were faster so we walked down stairs. Detective younger got into his auto and went on to other duties. Kevin and I got into sixty seven. Eighty to an unmarked Shaker Heights police cruiser during the drive. Kevin and I did not talk about the case instead. We discussed college life dormitory life and classes. He mentioned that he was glad to be at school and that it was an opportunity to begin a new life. He explained that he had not decided on a major but was interested in business. He added that his real interest was in economics and we talked a little about economics. The Adam Smith Foundation. He started in high school and Mr for Resou- his high school economics teacher. We discussed the adjustment to college classes. Kevin said it was an easy transition because what he was doing. A college was a review of what he did in high school. He said he tested out of enough credits. That he will be soft more mid year he also talked about the honors program in Ohio. State that he is currently enrolled in Kevin. I arrived at the motel about nine forty five PM. We parked by number two and took the elevator to the fifth floor room. Five twenty was around the corner to the right as we exited the elevator as we entered the room. Kevin remarked that it was a nice room. He mentioned calling home and asked if he could wait until after we finished. I told him he could call what he wanted and offered to. Let the city of Shaker Heights. Pay For the call. I suggested a seat and make himself comfortable. He sat in the seat on the couch. Nears the window. As I sat on the other end of the couch there was a loud noise like a helicopter from outside Kevin that we could close the Windows. I got up closed both sliding doors and turn the air conditioner on low. I begin by explaining to Kevin that I spent the last two weeks talking to people then gathered as much information as possible in an attempt to figure out what happened to Lisa. I told Kevin I needed some insight from him in addition to just discussing his involvement. Kevin said he was eager to cooperate in any way that he could. I told Kevin that this trip to Columbus was important to me. I explained that we were under pressure from the media and there were some loosens questions I had about his involvement with the case. Kevin responded with a few comments about how bad the television stations are how bad he felt about what they did to Dan. He added that he would like to resolve this before the media gets a hold of the story given us how long we would be and I told him I wasn't sure I explained to cabinet. Since I came to him for help. He could decide when he was ready to stop talking and I would take back his dormitory. He mentioned that he had an eight o'clock class but added that he was a night person. We could take our time. We discussed class schedule and the classes he was taking. I offered Kevin pop and he chose a coke from the CAN I offered I offered Kevin pop and he chose a coke from the can the only way I drink it. I then reminded Kevin that I was a police officer that I was investigating a crime then reminded Kevin that I was a police officer and that I was investigating a crime in which he was still suspect. Kevin said that detective mullany had explained that to him. I told him that he had a right to remain silent in. Didn't have to talk to me. Kevin said he wanted to help. I told him that we could stop or take a break whenever he wanted. He said he knew that as I started to explain that he could talk to an attorney. Kevin interrupted me and said that he understood his rights. He explained that detective mullany had explained all his rights and that he signed a paper that he understood. I asked him to tell me what he thought about the incident. Kevin replied that as he told detectives mullany he was afraid that tax can workman had done it and what scared him even more was that. Tex might have done it for him. Kevin Kevin went on to explain that he didn't know how he could live with the guilt if Tex had done it for him I ask Kevin Y. Tex would do it for him and Kevin replied that he Kevin had been at Arabiya on Thursday. When Tex came in Kevin said he remembers that at the time he was sitting alone at a table and was real upset about a good friend of his that had been sent to the Middle East. Kevin said he remembers texts coming in sitting at a table with him and saying something about going over to Dan drivers and that Lisa was coming over. He remembers the Tech. Said something about hating to be around when Dannon lease are together. I then ask Kevin why he thought Texas would do this. Kevin replied that texts knew that he kevin had a crush on Lisa for a long time. Even though Kevin insisted the crush was over Kevin out of the text was also worried about having an alibi for Thursday night. Kevin explain it. He was feeling extreme guilt even thinking about the possibility that texts might have done this for him. I asked Kevin who was friends with that. Went to the Middle East and Kevin said it was Emmanuel Robinson. He then went on to explain that. Manny was not really a close friend just some when he went to high school with Kevin added that he really didn't even know if many was there but that he had heard that from other friends. I asked Kevin of menu into the service right after high school. He explained that many and he had just graduated together and that he didn't know manny very well. Kevin added that he only spoken to manny a couple of times throughout high school. Kevin just scared him that a kid his age was going to come back. Dead from the Middle East Kevin went on to talk about the draft and how because of his January birthday he would be one of the first kids drafted. He explained that there were going to start the draft next year by drafting nineteen year old kids. I ask given what he thought about the draft and he said he didn't really think they would do. It can then went on to add that he thought the draft was unfair since they spent all that money all those years on a volunteer army. Kevin added those volunteers and reserves knew the risks when signed up and that they should not need a draft.

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10:56 min | 6 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"Next up in the hot seat is seventeen year. Old Rebecca Beca boat right from the subject of the conversation. Is Kevin Young so I know Dan driver because two summers ago I went to Germany with his sister. Debbie dreifort W I became close friends and through her. I met her brother and after that Dan dreifort night became pretty good friends Thursday September thirteenth nineteen ninety. Dan called me at about eight. Twenty P M. He had asked me if I wanted to come over later and told me a bunch of people were coming Over later and I said WHO and he said Chris Jones Lisa Pruitt and maybe Kevin Young and be Dan Messing her. I told him I didn't think I could get out. I was tired and I wanted to get to bed not was the end of our conversation. Friday September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety during first period at the high school. Will Dr Rumba said that Lisa Pruitt had been involved in a homicide last night and since nobody really knew how it happened. The basic rumor was that she'd been hit on the head with a blunt objects and her body had been found on the sidewalk corner of South Woodland and leave later at around one thirty PM. I went up to our Beka at Shaker Square and and since I was waiting for Debbie dry for it to come in and since Kevin Young was the only one I knew up there I sat down and talked to him. Basically he said has David as bad as everybody else's else's and I said well it was pretty depressing. I said it doesn't seem like the type of things that would happen in Shaker and I was really worried for Dan dreifort since no doubt. He's probably a suspect. Somehow or other we got onto the topic of rape. I said well if she was raped. Isn't there a possibility that they will find some semen sample on her body and Kevin. I said I don't think she was raped. I said well just assuming from that. They will be able to prove who did it. And he said while tests like that or one hundred percent accurate so of Dan dreifort did it. Then chances are they probably know already but I really don't think she was raped then. I told him that I had heard she'd been pulled from her bike around the corner on South Woodland before Lee and that she'd been hit on the head with a blunt object. He said No. I think she was stabbed. I said well that's not what I heard. And he said I'm pretty sure she was stabbed. Then I said it would make sense that her bike would have been found in the area like before you reach lease since from what I heard. Her body had been found on the sidewalk on the corner of South Woodland and Lee. Kevin said he thought they founded around there in the field nearby around that area. I said not that it really matters since nobody really knows was except police. He said yes. You're probably right then. I went to get a pink lemonade and when I came back I said some extremely psychotic person had to have done this and and he said what makes you think that and I said well it's not the type of thing perfectly sane person does then. He's sort of like sat up and said really loudly in really quickly. While I would only kill in self-defence then he likes switch to the Persian Gulf issue. He said what does for Breezy. Oh think about what's going on and I said he thinks that they should reinstitute the draft and to add women to it which I think is pretty unfair. This was said pretty jokingly he said why and I said since women the obvious the superior sex. I don't think we should be forced to go off to war and be killed. He said but you think people who are my age and are about to be headed off to college should be forced to go thirty killed and I said well. That's what for Breezy. Oh thanks and Kevin sort of rolling his eyes and kept saying my God. I should storm his house and kill him. Then I said said somewhat jokingly as long as I'm not shipped off and he said Oh because you don't think women should be killed and I said exactly he said I don't know about that I can think of a few women and I would like to see dead. I said like who he said. The only thing I want to know is if the. US is in the Persian Gulf because of NATO pride or oil and he kept on babbling doubling about this. I got bored so I told him I had to go pick up my mother which I did when you talk to Kevin Young Arab on Friday afternoon to tell. Oh you how he learned of the death of Lisa Pruitt now. Did Kevin mentioned anything about being invited over to Dan dry goods house the night before you know. Did Kevin Young ever indicate directly to you any kind of romantic feelings towards Lisa Pruitt. Yeah but it was quite a while ago ago it was like in the context like Dan was a god because he could get any woman he wanted and I said why do you care. And he said because she has a great ass I said why why do you like her or something and he said I'm not gonNa tell you because you'll go. Tell Dan I said I don't care one way or another how people feel sexually towards Lisa and he said if you where a guy you would. Have you ever known Kevin Young or have you ever seen Kevin Young carrying any type of weapon now on Friday afternoon Arabica when you spoke to Kevin Young. Did he mention any conversation. He had with Kenny Workman the night before. Now is there anything else that you wish to add to this statement now. Finally.

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08:57 min | 6 months ago

"shaker heights" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"Welcome to Shaker Heights episode. Three the crush sixteen year old Lisa Pruitt was stabbed twenty one times by an unknown assailant. September fourteenth nineteen ninety and Shaker Heights Heights. Ohio a well to do suburb on Cleveland's east side. Her body was found about one hundred feet from her boyfriend's back door where he lived with his parents and sister. This boyfriend Dan Dreifort had been released from a mental institution. Earlier that day after the murder dance friends gathered to discuss the murder in likely suspects. We'll never know exactly what was discussed at these. Private meetings of grief stricken children but we know that after those meetings dance dance friends. went to Shaker Heights. Police detectives and said they believed Kevin Young had killed Lisa Pruitt out of jealousy over her relationship unshipped with Dan. The police searched Kevin's house and found no murder weapon or bloody clothes. Nothing at all to link him to the crime scene and he had an alibi as the investigation continues an interview with eighteen year old Stanley Kramer. Dreamer implicates Dan Dry. I father and a possible conspiracy of silence by now Shaker Heights. Police Detectives have interviewed reviewed. The men and women who had the means motive and opportunity to commit the crime and they've heard from a handful of teenagers and Shaker Heights high school who regard Kevin Young with hatred and suspicion. The case takes a turn that Monday just three days after after. Lisa's murder that's when the police detectives decide it was Kevin Young who committed the crime. What follows is a statement eight mint by a lead detective in the case which explains how F. B. I.? Pro Filers helped convince them it was probably Kevin who committed. I did the crime on Monday. September Seventeenth Seventeenth nineteen ninety. I was contacted by special agent. Dick ran of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Relative to the lease approved. Homicide agent ran. Advise me that he was the the case agent for the Aiming Bhave case and offered to assist us in any way he could. He further informed me that due to the circumstances surrounding the PRUITT case that he would need to inquire choir as to any similarities between the Mahalla Vic improved homicides. I invited agent Ren to come to our station in review our reports and other information that we had accrued each advised that he would visit our station at approximately one PM that afternoon. I was unable to meet with H. Wren when he arrived at the station to the fact that I was at the Cuyahoga uh-huh county prosecutor's office with detective. Sergeant Timothy read preparing a search warrant for the resident of Kenneth Texts Workman agent ran in agent. John done met with other members of the Investigative Bureau in Review reports and evidence from the Homicide upon returning from the county prosecutor's. Office Detective Sergeant Timothy Read Detective Robert Bert Shipping and detective. David executed the search warrant at Twenty six twenty six north Moreland apartment number two. The residents of Kenneth Workman see supplementary suppplementary report. By sergeant read there was nothing of evidentiary value located during the search later that afternoon while searching through several plastic trash bags that were removed the residents of Kevin Young during a search of his residence of Sunday morning. September sixteen of Nineteen Ninety investigators located several documents that contained writings and power phrases. That indicated that Kevin Young had some sort of behavioral problem. The writings referred to Kevin's disdain. For Jews Arabs and blacks you further remarked about his own problems with developing relationships with females other writings revealed as inner feelings when he observed couples male female acting out their affection for one another further further examination of the documents indicated interest in Satanism and neo. Nazism specifically skinheads. There were several documents that refer to suicide after after all the documents were examined contacted agent Ren and advised him as to what we had found. I asked him if he knew anyone. Locally who could review the writings in office in opinion on what they meant Egypt ran referred me to supervisory special agent James Right at the FBI Academy is Behavioral Science Section in Quantico. Virginia I attempted to make contact with agent right but was unable to do so due to the late hour on Wednesday September Eighteenth nineteen ninety. I made contact with ancient right. He asked me to fax him all all available documents relative to Kevin Young. You further related that he would review the documents that same evening. I gathered all the documents thirty seven pages worth and had them facts the agent right. The transmission was completed at twelve thirty four. PM on Thursday. September nineteenth nineteen ninety ten thirty A. M. Egypt right contact me by telephone and advise me that he'd reviewed the writings of Kevin Young and the details of the police report of the murder of Lisa. pruitt he stated that it was his opinion from the information that he it examined that the murder was definitely a quote neighborhood thing unquote and that the person that we were looking for new Lisa. Pruitt Egypt right then gave me a personality profile of what he learned concerning Kevin. Young he related that Kevin's personality profile. Definitely fit that of a person capable of committing the crime in question. He further remarked that we should look at other sexual assaults that have been reported in the past agent right went on to state that Kevin Young has no ego low self esteem. He probably probably realizes that people don't like him. Even offered some suggestions for any further interviews with Kevin Agent Right suggested the Kevin Young interviewed at night the later the better you described Kevin as a night person. He further suggested that the interview should take place in a non threatening environment. Not In an interrogation room. The interviewer must be able to bond with Kevin quote provide a friend unquote. The interviewer should be mature looking articulate intelligent he must not resemble Kevin's father bother or have an authoritative personality Egypt right than proffered the following interview structure. One don't start off the interview by being threatening but to create some anxiety in the subject. Show them something from the scene but it off to the side within his peripheral vision things from the scene might quote tweak him to to give the subject of face saving scenario to Kevin's good and bad quote. He lost control. He's not really responsible. In quote referred referred to his writings quote if I ever lose control of myself withdraw into an alternative world in animal instincts. Takeover this is from essay written by Kevin Young dated January Ninth Nineteen Ninety Three explained that the problem needs to be resolved for be. Be careful not to be judgmental five. Don't be confrontational and six. You can expect a lot of denial for a long long time after speaking with agent right. I advised him that I was not sure that I had an interview with expertise in dealing with the type of personality that he describes I further advised him that depending depending on laboratory results the success or failure of this investigation hinged on the interview with Kevin Young Egypt right offered to assist in any way he could other than personally conducting conducting the interview. I then asked if you would assist in preparing the interviewer. I told him that I would be willing to come to Quantico with the selected interviewer if he could make his staff available to us for whatever period of time that he thought was necessary. Egypt right reiterated that he would help in any way possible on Friday September Twenty First Nineteen Ninety at two PM Egion run agent done members of the investigative bureau chief Ogre. Nick and I met in the conference room. We decided at that meeting. The Kevin Young was our primary suspect suspect and that we should make arrangements as soon as possible to meet with agent right at Quantico agent offered US assistance and advised that he would be willing to accompany us to Quantico for the the interview preparation session after the meeting I contacted agent right in advised him of the results of our meeting. Agent stated that he would be available to meet with us on Tuesday. September twenty-fifth Nineteen Ninety at eleven. Am and that he would be at our disposal for as long as it took to structure our interview. Chief Walter U-b-e-r Nick after consulting with members of the investigative native bureau assigned detective..

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Shaker Heights: Who killed Lisa Pruett?

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08:45 min | 6 months ago

Shaker Heights: Who killed Lisa Pruett?

"Sixteen year old Lisa Pruitt was stabbed twenty one times by an unknown assailant. September fourteenth nineteen ninety and Shaker Heights Heights. Ohio a well to do suburb on Cleveland's east side. Her body was found about one hundred feet from her boyfriend's back door where he lived with his parents and sister. This boyfriend Dan Dreifort had been released from a mental institution. Earlier that day after the murder dance friends gathered to discuss the murder in likely suspects. We'll never know exactly what was discussed at these. Private meetings of grief stricken children but we know that after those meetings dance dance friends. went to Shaker Heights. Police detectives and said they believed Kevin Young had killed Lisa Pruitt out of jealousy over her relationship unshipped with Dan. The police searched Kevin's house and found no murder weapon or bloody clothes. Nothing at all to link him to the crime scene and he had an alibi as the investigation continues an interview with eighteen year old Stanley Kramer. Dreamer implicates Dan Dry. I father and a possible conspiracy of silence by now Shaker Heights. Police Detectives have interviewed reviewed. The men and women who had the means motive and opportunity to commit the crime and they've heard from a handful of teenagers and Shaker Heights high school who regard Kevin Young with hatred and suspicion. The case takes a turn that Monday just three days after after. Lisa's murder that's when the police detectives decide it was Kevin Young who committed the crime. What follows is a statement eight mint by a lead detective in the case which explains how F. B. I.? Pro Filers helped convince them it was probably Kevin who committed. I did the crime on Monday. September Seventeenth Seventeenth nineteen ninety. I was contacted by special agent. Dick ran of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Relative to the lease approved. Homicide agent ran. Advise me that he was the the case agent for the Aiming Bhave case and offered to assist us in any way he could. He further informed me that due to the circumstances surrounding the PRUITT case that he would need to inquire choir as to any similarities between the Mahalla Vic improved homicides. I invited agent Ren to come to our station in review our reports and other information that we had accrued each advised that he would visit our station at approximately one PM that afternoon. I was unable to meet with H. Wren when he arrived at the station to the fact that I was at the Cuyahoga uh-huh county prosecutor's office with detective. Sergeant Timothy read preparing a search warrant for the resident of Kenneth Texts Workman agent ran in agent. John done met with other members of the Investigative Bureau in Review reports and evidence from the Homicide upon returning from the county prosecutor's. Office Detective Sergeant Timothy Read Detective Robert Bert Shipping and detective. David executed the search warrant at Twenty six twenty six north Moreland apartment number two. The residents of Kenneth Workman see supplementary suppplementary report. By sergeant read there was nothing of evidentiary value located during the search later that afternoon while searching through several plastic trash bags that were removed the residents of Kevin Young during a search of his residence of Sunday morning. September sixteen of Nineteen Ninety investigators located several documents that contained writings and power phrases. That indicated that Kevin Young had some sort of behavioral problem. The writings referred to Kevin's disdain. For Jews Arabs and blacks you further remarked about his own problems with developing relationships with females other writings revealed as inner feelings when he observed couples male female acting out their affection for one another further further examination of the documents indicated interest in Satanism and neo. Nazism specifically skinheads. There were several documents that refer to suicide after after all the documents were examined contacted agent Ren and advised him as to what we had found. I asked him if he knew anyone. Locally who could review the writings in office in opinion on what they meant Egypt ran referred me to supervisory special agent James Right at the FBI Academy is Behavioral Science Section in Quantico. Virginia I attempted to make contact with agent right but was unable to do so due to the late hour on Wednesday September Eighteenth nineteen ninety. I made contact with ancient right. He asked me to fax him all all available documents relative to Kevin Young. You further related that he would review the documents that same evening. I gathered all the documents thirty seven pages worth and had them facts the agent right. The transmission was completed at twelve thirty four. PM on Thursday. September nineteenth nineteen ninety ten thirty A. M. Egypt right contact me by telephone and advise me that he'd reviewed the writings of Kevin Young and the details of the police report of the murder of Lisa. pruitt he stated that it was his opinion from the information that he it examined that the murder was definitely a quote neighborhood thing unquote and that the person that we were looking for new Lisa. Pruitt Egypt right then gave me a personality profile of what he learned concerning Kevin. Young he related that Kevin's personality profile. Definitely fit that of a person capable of committing the crime in question. He further remarked that we should look at other sexual assaults that have been reported in the past agent right went on to state that Kevin Young has no ego low self esteem. He probably probably realizes that people don't like him. Even offered some suggestions for any further interviews with Kevin Agent Right suggested the Kevin Young interviewed at night the later the better you described Kevin as a night person. He further suggested that the interview should take place in a non threatening environment. Not In an interrogation room. The interviewer must be able to bond with Kevin quote provide a friend unquote. The interviewer should be mature looking articulate intelligent he must not resemble Kevin's father bother or have an authoritative personality Egypt right than proffered the following interview structure. One don't start off the interview by being threatening but to create some anxiety in the subject. Show them something from the scene but it off to the side within his peripheral vision things from the scene might quote tweak him to to give the subject of face saving scenario to Kevin's good and bad quote. He lost control. He's not really responsible. In quote referred referred to his writings quote if I ever lose control of myself withdraw into an alternative world in animal instincts. Takeover this is from essay written by Kevin Young dated January Ninth Nineteen Ninety Three explained that the problem needs to be resolved for be. Be careful not to be judgmental five. Don't be confrontational and six. You can expect a lot of denial for a long long time after speaking with agent right. I advised him that I was not sure that I had an interview with expertise in dealing with the type of personality that he describes I further advised him that depending depending on laboratory results the success or failure of this investigation hinged on the interview with Kevin Young Egypt right offered to assist in any way he could other than personally conducting conducting the interview. I then asked if you would assist in preparing the interviewer. I told him that I would be willing to come to Quantico with the selected interviewer if he could make his staff available to us for whatever period of time that he thought was necessary. Egypt right reiterated that he would help in any way possible on Friday September Twenty First Nineteen Ninety at two PM Egion run agent done members of the investigative bureau chief Ogre. Nick and I met in the conference room. We decided at that meeting. The Kevin Young was our primary suspect suspect and that we should make arrangements as soon as possible to meet with agent right at Quantico agent offered US assistance and advised that he would be willing to accompany us to Quantico for the the interview preparation session after the meeting I contacted agent right in advised him of the results of our meeting. Agent stated that he would be available to meet with us on Tuesday. September twenty-fifth Nineteen Ninety at eleven. Am and that he would be at our disposal for as long as it took to structure our interview.

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"This time Shaker Heights. Detectives must have known that someone was lying to them. Everyone was pointing fingers at everyone. Everyone else everyone who knew that Lisa pruitt was going to be a Dan dreifort. The night she was murdered. Seem to have an alibi as loose as alibis could be so. who was lying? Dan driver tax or was it. Kevin Young like dance friends wanted. The police needs to believe just when it couldn't get any more complicated in walks eighteen year old Stanley. Kramer Breath Stan. Could you stay starting from Thursday September thirteenth nineteen ninety the approximate time. You went to work at A.. Rabah that evening and relate relate to me as best as you can recall the events of the evening which relate to you of who you may have seen who you may have talked due to an anything that you can remember about that evening. Okay scoops closes about ten and after we closed usually do the mopping at about ten fifteen gene pm. When I was mopping I noticed Kevin Young was sitting at a table right by scoops he was emotionally depressed? It looked like he was crying and seeing songs. Longs I know some of the songs he was singing. I've heard him when I was younger. I continued mopping for about five ten minutes and I saw Kenny Workman come. And it's it with Kevin so I wasn't as worried as I was when I saw Kevin from the first time about what was wrong. I pretty much finished up at about about. I'd say about ten thirty PM. And that's when I clocked out and I decided to join Kevin and Kenny at the table. The conversation up was Kevin and was upset because a friend of his. I don't remember the name at all was in Iraq. I don't know if he was living or dead but Kevin was like hallucinating. Wanting him to walk walk through the Arab cadore so Kevin could give them a hug. Say Hello have you been and so forth I called my dad at about roughly ten. PM I went to get a pack of cigarettes. I at about ten thirty five PM and when I got back I sat down and smoked one cigarette. Which takes me roughly five minutes? I got up and called my dad. Roughly ten forty pm to come and give me a ride home. I went back to the table and the same conversation was up at the table. I was when I left. I have no awareness of what they were talking about at all. My Dad got to the back of Arab at about ten forty five pm which is when I say goodbye by two Kevin and Kenny. Yeah Kevin Kenny I went outside to get into the car. My Dad asked me to go in and get them. A coke came back back in Kevin. Kenny were walking out the front door to go home. Which from my knowledge is where they were going Kenny was writing Dandruff dreifort spike which he had returned that evening and when me and my father pulled out of the driveway I tried to get him the coke. I saw Kevin Young walking up a street. I think it was drexel more alone and it looked like he was headed home. What did you do after that? I had a lot of studying to do that evening and I went home. I watch. It's a little bit of the news just to get caught up on current events like I usually do. I went upstairs to do my homework. It was rough day and I had a little bit of homework to do so. I did have a little bit drink a few beers after I finish my homework I pretty much crashed. I went to sleep got ready for school the next day when you are at Aramco with texts workman and Kevin when young on Thursday night. Did you hear any conversation about a possible party at Deandra. Vard's that night now. I did not. Were you aware from the conversation between texts and Kevin Young. The Dan driver was back in town. we all knew from that day. Kenny was in school that day. I'm almost positive he was. That was the day that Kenny did. Drop out by do know for a fact that we all knew that Dan was back in town. When did you first learn that Dan Dreifort was back in town? It was roughly in between the hour of twelve twelve noon and one PM Thursday noon. Go ahead and explain the same thing you said before. Okay I was I don't have a sixth seventh eighth period so Alexi ratchets in a friend of mine that graduated in eighty nine was up at the school. Ease usually up there just driving around around. I asked him if he would drive me up to the gas station to pick up a pack of smokes. He did so and when I came back usually park right outside the science wing of the school I looked out the window and I saw what I thought was Danny Dreifort which I didn't know at first and I called his name and it was Danny and he walked over to the car and we. We just reunited started to talk and I saw them throughout the rest the afternoon until about four PM. Which I had to go home to go to work? WHO's a friend of yours? And what was his name. Alexi Racha Sin Lexi. Alexey that night data. When you left with your dad you state us? All Kevin Young walking up drugs more toward Shaker Heights. Is that correct yes. Did you see texts workman leave. I did not see him leave. Steve I knew where his bike was parked. It was parked right outside the window of where we were sitting and the bike was gone so I figured they must have left anytime. We're you aware that Kevin having an texts workman had left. Arabica walked over to a place called the shack. I have no aware of it. Do you know where the shack is. Doc where's that it's the rapid transits restaurant right on Shaker Boulevard in Shaker Square. What hours did you work at a Rabah On Thursday night from my knowledge it was five. PM To close which is at ten pm which I stated earlier. How will you know Kevin Young? You'd I know him pretty well. He used to play Little League baseball with him when we were both younger and we had missed each other for a while. After the team ended that summer he went back to school and I went back to school. I was still in the middle school at the time I got up to Think the eighth grade I when I I started going up to the high school Dec- other friends of mine. I met back up with Kevin and we started talking and just getting caught back up so I've known them roughly Lee well since about the eighth grade which is since I'm a senior would be nineteen ninety five thousand nine hundred five. That's what I figure describe for Kevin Young as you know him. What would you know about him? He had a normal teenage life. Did what most teenagers do drink. Go Go to parties on the weekend from what I remember. He did quite well in school. He wasn't one of the types of slack off that much with the school work because he was really concerned with his life when he got out out of school he just graduated the year. Nineteen ninety from the Shaker Heights high school. And he's a part of my group at Shaker Square Arabiya lately What I've been hearing what being Kevin been doing which was maybe about once or twice is drinking which seems like Kevin is having somewhat of an alcoholic problem problem which somewhat scares me? Kevin because I know Kevin quite well and he was really interested in baseball and he started smoking and drinking which surprised me that Kevin would do something like like that that heavily. Could you describe for me what you know in regards to any relationship between Kevin Young Lisa. pruitt okay I have known. I'm known that for the last two years Kevin has had a crush. I don't know if you want to say crush on Lisa He really was not to distract you. Go ahead and describe the relationship between Kevin Lisa Last two years Kevin has been in marching band with Lisa and they were pretty close since marching band is pretty much a big family To my knowledge Kevin has had a crush on Lisa. The last two years and his knowledge came about Dan. Dry for going out with Liza He was very angry distracted about Dan going out Lisa not him. Did he tell you that or is that just from behavior that you observe I. I have heard that from Danny dry for Kenny Workman and once from Kevin Young could you identify the members and kids. You're referring to when you say your group Yes In the group are Kenny Workman. Kevin Young Ken mets Emoto Jerry. Izenberg Judd Osgood Sheena Messina. Ah That's her last name Another one I'm just thinking of now. Is John Hannan and Alexi righteous in at least until he started working at Arabiya and there are a few more are that just. Don't go to Shaker Heights high school so they're usually not there all the time. How will you know Kenny Workman since Kenny's come to Shaker Heights? High School will as a freshman which was last year. I've known him quite well for both pretty much the same or crazy or both crazy well in the means of doing the usual things that we he would do in the Arabic group which is drink every once in a while just party go down to Coventry look for fights We were crazy when evening and we became blood brothers so I pretty much say that me and Kenny Workman or to me tax. Our Darn close described tax. What what kind of person? He is Who Tax? When he came up to the high school he looked like he wasn't as enthusiastic as a normal Tina's for high school? He was like different. He really did not want to be there. It's like high school wasn't for him. I mean that I'm used to it with our group but people normally don't like high school that had to be there was the literal dislike. He stayed in school. He didn't go most of the time. We did a lot of cutting at the end of second semester. Last year I dropped out of school which I really stopped. Stop going to the high school it was maybe about. I dropped out of the Shaker Heights. High School High School was then for me. I was a junior at the time. I don't know I just didn't like school. I came back up every once in a while until I got a job at Universal Printing which my dad owns I was coming up to the school and when tax or any of the group was cutting. I'd be joining them. which most of the time I did see Kenny Workman after the last year? Here this summer I was on vacation most of the summer so I didn't really see in that much. Emma Debbie Dry for had been together which has been a weird relationship broken up. I think about three times and other engaged to get married which really confuses me I mean. I'm glad that they are but I don't see how both parties are really wanting to do that. But this year I went back to school I enrolled again for some reason. They put me up as a senior..

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"Can you estimate how many nights you stayed at the driver's house when Debbie was home a lot the last month before she went to college. I stayed there almost every night. More Debbie drivers parents where you were staying there. No you stated that you took dance bike and rode it to Shaker Square to buy cigarettes for Dan Drivers in yourself on Thursday September Thirteenth Nineteen Nineteen Ninety at approximately ten pm that correct. Yes described the bicycle. That you road to Shaker Square. It was a blue mountain bike. Like that. A men's or ladies' bike. It was a men's bike. What brand of cigarettes did you buy mama regular box? Just one pack. After he purchased a cigarette she went to Arabica. Is that correct. Yes while you're at a Rabah So how did you secure the bike in where I didn't. I just laid it up by the window at Rebecca in the back so I can see it. How long approximately did you talk to stay in Kramer on that evening? or how long was he sitting with you. Maybe like fifteen. May maybe like ten or fifteen minutes. Do you work at Arabica at all that night. No while at Arabica did you mention to Kevin Young and can stand cramer that there was going to be a Robitussin party at damned dreifort House that evening. I didn't say there was GONNA be. I said there might be because because that's what dad said. Before he went in the hospital he said the day he got out. He was going to have a rebel party. What did you tell Kevin Young and Stephen Kramer about who was coming coming over today Andrey for his house that evening I remember telling them anything? What did you know about anything that was going to happen drive for his house that evening? All I new is that Lisa and Chris were coming over V.. Ever attended a Robeson party at Dan drivers. Yes how many times times did this occur. Only once what was in your opinion the result of the people who drink robitussin at this party that is the fact the Robitussin on them. And how did it affect their actions. They just went crazy. Dan told me that makes them feel strong and said something about some kind of trance. They go into when they get into this trance. Whoever they see at the end of this hallway they do whatever they can to get them out of the hallway? They kill if they have to. Sometimes they just knocked the person out of the hallway. That's what he said. Would you explain what this hallway means. And he said one day that everybody's got a hallway and when you take Robitussin and brings you back to your hallway and it's like if you take it you you see all way it's like a mild form of acid. Have you ever done robitussin. And if so what was the effect of yes I fell asleep. Have you ever seen Dan dreifort under the influence of Robitussin. The only time I seen him he was just coming down from it. I never seen seen him when he was in the middle of not coming out from it. What was his conditions at that time? And how did he act. He just sits there and stared like he was asleep but has is open. When was this Robitussin party in there? It was after I got out of Rehab and before he went into the Psych Ward Rebecca Boat Right Andrea Conrad. Jim Hanna me. Dan and deb was their dead Messenger. was there too. That's everybody to the best of your knowledge today android. I have a Robitussin party last Thursday night. I think he did on Thursday evening September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety after you brought after you bought the pack of cigarettes and went to Rava. Did you leave a radical with anyone and go over to the shack. No I left with Kevin and I went down to the Shaker Boulevard and he went down South Woodland when you left a rabbit cut to return to the driver's house with the cigarettes. Which route did you take our down Shaker Boulevard to Lee and then in down Lee prior to read in the driver's house? You stated you stopped vacant lot. A few doors from the driver's houses is that correct. Yes was that to urinate. Yes approximately how far into the lot did you go. I put Dan's bike down. Where the entrances and I walked a couple of steps in did you take the bike into law and if so how far I took the bike to like the edge of the law where it was in the grassy area like a couple of feet after you finish urinating and return to the drive towards house? How did you make them aware that you had returned as throwing rocks at his bedroom window? Did he indicate to you that he had heard you throwing the rocks at his window. Now he never said. Do you come outside to meet you. Yes I was standing over by the garage and he came out Odin told me to go back and then he came out the back with the door with his dog. I told him I wasn't gonNA stay. What did you do with the bike? Just gave it to him and he put it in the garage. Did you physically see Dan. DREIFORT put his bike in the garage. Yes was the garage Asia open at the time or did he have to open the door. The garage was partway up. It wasn't all the way up when you left Drivers House House and walked to the rapid route. Did you take leader Shaker Boulevard. Do you stay on the sidewalk on the west side of of Lee road all the way to Shaker Boulevard or do exit the sidewalk at any point now when you arrived at the rapid station. Asian at Shaker and Lee. was anyone else there. Did you encounter anyone that you knew while walking from the driver's house to the rapid you know when you finally got on the rapid. was there anyone else on. The rapid now described the rapid driver ever had a conversation with big black guy with a beard. Where did you acts that? The Rapid Shaker Square right by the shack on your way walking from the rapid. Stop to your apartment building. Did you see anyone that that you knew no when you arrived home. who was there my mom and her Fiance Boyfriend Rob Cornell to do you have a conversation with them and I just told my mom? I WanNa stay at dance tonight. Approximately what time did you call Debbie. Dreifort from your apartment probably around twelve all thirty. Am Did you dial her direct at a residence at Ohio University. Yes when you called. Did she answered the phone directly or did someone else pick it up. I one of her friends picked it up. I did you know her name now. How long did did you talk to Debbie dreifort about thirty minutes after that you went to sleep yes? Did you leave your apartment at any time. Between the time you spoke to Debbie drive for on the morning of September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety now on September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety when you first learned of the death of Lisa Pruitt who it did you hear or did somebody tell you how she was murdered. Somebody had told me she was hit with something. Did anyone tell you that she had had been stabbed now. Did anybody tell you that she had been raped now. I heard that on the news. What time did you hear that on the news at noon when you went to Kevin Young's house on the morning of September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety approximately? What time did you get there? Probably like nine or nine thirty a. m. something like that at that time when you advise Kevin Young of the death of Liza Pruitt. Did you tell l. him that she had been stabbed and rate now. Are you absolutely sure of that. Yes during the same conversation eastern with Kevin Young at approximately nine or nine thirty. Am did you tell Kevin that you thought Dan Dreifort had done it. Yes why did you say that because on the news they said they had found her in his backyard and she was supposed to come over and see him. So what made you think that. Even though you heard where she was found that Dan drive for would be capable of or want to murder. Lisa Pruitt I just thought if he did robo bad night that he might have. I don't know do you know for a fact and did you see Dan. dreifort consume any robitussin on the evening of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety or of the early morning hours of September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety now did did you make the statement to Kevin Young that you are afraid that if Dan Dreifort did he might have used a knife of yours. That was left at the driver's house pals. Yes what kind of knife is this. It's a butterfly. I left it in Deb's room and she told me that she took it with her. When did she you tell you this asked her what happened to it as soon as she came home and she said she took it to college with her? Did you tell Kevin Young to tell the police that you were with him until ten forty forty five. PM The previous evening yes. I told him that while I was at the shack. Why so he wouldn't forget to tell you guys that I was with him so he wouldn't get in trouble and I wouldn't get in trouble? Did you. Make a statement. Kevin Young down on the evening of September Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety that Dan dry I I told Leeza pruitt that. He wanted to cut her hair. You wanted you to hold her down why he did it. He was just playing around when he said it. Did he make that statement. Yeah do you have a pair of scissors in his hands when he made that statement now clippers in his hand. Did you ever temperature Sir have sexual intercourse with Lisa pruitt. Now on Saturday September Fifteenth Nineteen Ninety in the evening hours us. Were you at the Dreifort home. Yes I think it was from Navy about eleven until twelve thirty am dude. Anythin- thin happened between the Times at the driver's house. That got you angry or made you lose your temper. Yes deb's dad was just getting on my nerves and me and deb left the house. He was nitpicking at deb. And it was Kinda getting on my nerves on Friday night. deb seeing kind of like a flashlight in the bushes and I got pissed off and went down to the street to see what it was. But I didn't see anything since the murder of Lisa. PRUITT DOC of you threaten to kill anyone. Yes who when I thought it was. Dan and I went down the street on Friday night. I was going to do the same thing to them. As whoever did that. To Lisa from the time you heard about leaser Pruett's death until right now. Have you had any contact with. Lisa's parents. Had some contact with some lady. See that was there with Lisa's mom and I told her if Lisa hidden diaries or any journals or anything to turn them into the police because they might have some information would did she. She say.

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"And proceeded home arriving there at approximately nine mpm when we pulled into our driveway. We are greeted at the backyard gate by Dan and a friend of his by the name of Ken. I believe his name is workman. Dan indicated that Ken had heard that Dan was home in wanted to visit. Since this was a long distance called Church to my phone the starting in time of the call would be accurately recorded by the phone company which is. At and T.. During that conversation my wife I spoke with Deborah with my wife speaking on the phone in the adjacent Dan and me on the bedroom phone during the entire conversation I was sitting on the bed and Dan was at the foot of the bed. Listening listening to the conversation at some point asked Debra if she would like to speak to Dan to which she responded affirmatively at that time. Dan moved to the Dan adjacent to my bedroom and my wife and I remained in the bedroom. Dan then spoke to my daughter alone until the end of that conversation and which was approximately twelve. Fifteen am at that time. Daniel went to his room and I began to read a book in my bed. My my wife was at first reading later turned over and went to sleep at approximately twelve thirty. Am I heard a shrill in lengthy scream coming from the area in front of our house. The head of my bed is against the Lee road side of the House. And there's a window adjacent. The window was closed although the storm window was up. Although we're used to unusual sounds and activities emanating from Lee Road at all times of the day and night. This scream was particularly distressing and alarming. I immediately called out to Daniel. who was in his bedroom? This was relatively easy due to the fact that we had a connecting bathroom between our two room and the door. My side of the bathroom was open. I said something to the fact of Dan. Did you hear that to achieve responded. Yes I then heard him move to his window facing Lee road and hurt the window. Being opened by myself immediately turned off the table lamp on my bedside table and lifted the panel on the Venetian Asian blind and looked out till he rode. I said nothing unusual as I looked out. I can't recall whether there was any vehicular the traffic at the time but things did seem quite quiet while I was looking out the window. Dan came into my bedroom. My first inclination was to run outside and see what happened. Realizing I was stark naked. I quickly looked at Dan to determine if he was more fully. Close the NI- seeing that he had on essentially the same clothes on that he had been wearing the last time I saw him. I particularly noted it and even questioned him about whether he had anything on his feet. Why then noticed? He was wearing a pair of brown mock since this was important to me because because I knew he could get out quicker than me. Dan Ran downstairs to the front door while I quickly put on a pair of blue jogging pants and a t shirt and a pair of sandals a slip on sandals. I quickly Rian downstairs after Dan. By the time I was on the first floor of the house. Dan had opened the front door in storm door which we kept locked and bolted and was proceeding down the steps and across the lawn toward Lee road. I may sell only went as far as our front steps at that time. Ask Dan if he saw anything. He was looking in all directions but primarily towards south woodland. and which is in fact the direction that I thought the sounds were coming from. Dan told me saw nothing unusual. I don't know his exact words but they indicated that there was no unusual activity at the time. Nothing looked out of place to me either again. The general traffic patterns seem quite as well at that time. Danae return to the house. Neither one of us left the bounds of our property. We locked the doors and return to the upstairs bedroom a dream my wife remained in bed. We told her what we'd seen or not seen. There was a brief discussion about perhaps calling the police release. I don't remember what my wife and sunset but remember saying or thinking that we'd seen nothing unusual and then it probably wasn't necessary what was going through my mind at that time was that the screams may been coming from a passing car and that the person person in distress had probably left the area then went back to bed and began to read my book my wife Turnover and went back to sleep. I I fell asleep after reading less than a page of the buck and was woken by my son that time. He was telling me something about Lisa in a bicycle in the police. It wasn't understanding while because I was just coming out of a fairly sound sleep but I quickly grasped that something further was going on related to the scream I had heard earlier. I still had on the clothes I put on to go and investigate the scream. So immediately went downstairs with Dan to. Let's see what was happening. Dan and I walked out to the front of the property down the driveway. At which point I noticed two police cars parked next to the curb. There was no policemen incite. Dan was telling me something about finding Lisa's bicycle and calling the police. I couldn't understand why Lisa's bicycle would be near our house. I gradually found out by questioning. Dan that Leeson he had communicated some time that evening. Doc and that Lisa had indicated to him that she wanted desperately to see him because she had not seen him much during the past month that he'd been in the hospital hospital. They had apparently discussed the possibility that Lisa would come to our house that evening. I asked Dan. How would he know that Lisa was coming? I mean and he mentioned something about her planning to throw a pebble at his window. Dan was at that point. Obviously upset distressed by what he'd seen. He told me that he had found. Lisa's bicycle in the bushes of the house just to the south of ours that information coupled with the screen remind heard earlier increased my own anxiety greatly. I begin to worry more about what might have happened at twelve thirty am I am. I don't know the exact time that all of this occurred but it will be sometime after the policeman had arrived and spoken talking with my son at that point. Dan and I returned to her house. Dan Sat and watched television on the the first floor while my wife and I tried to reconstruct what had happened and to see if there was anything we could do to help the officers. There's at the scene. Were quite preoccupied with their work therefore there was not much that we could do so he tried to keep out of their way at one in point my wife and I saw what appeared to be civilians on our tree lawn in embrace we immediately went out to see if there was anything we could do to help and immediately encountered the parents of Lisa paranoid at that time. We asked them if they knew what was happening. Mr Pruitt said it looked as if there was a dead girl in the bushes. He attended to move in the direction of the bushes in question and was restrained by an officer. My wife and I offered to have the Peretz come into our home until the police needed them. They refused our our offer and having nothing else to do we went back into our house. We came out one more time and spoke to a uniformed officer asking if we could help or if he knew what had happened at that point he said they were dealing with foul play and we began to suspect the worst. We went back into the house and stayed there until the plain clothes police rang our bell. At which point. We escorted escorted them to our dining room table and provided a statement which included some of the above. By this time Daniel had gone to his bedroom turned out the light and was asleep sometime. Prior to the arrival of the plainclothesman our neighbor across the street Mrs Hall Telephone Spoke Primarily Talk to my wife in an attempt to find out if we knew what had happened in the course of that conversation Mrs Hall. Use The word murder. During part of that conversation I listened in on our extension. My wife mentioned something to Mrs Hall about Dan's girlfriend and her bicycle but stated that we knew nothing about a murder. This was in fact before the officer had used the term foul play to us. Mrs Hall was obviously prying for Information and my wife tried to cut her off without discussing the matter. Further until more facts were known. Mrs Hall is something of a gossip and we didn't want to feed information to her. This is detective. Richard Mullany with Shaker Heights. Police Department interviewing one Robert C.. Dreifort dreifort what do you give me your son's full name please. Daniel Robert Dreifort is your son student. And if so where yes shaker heights. High School to your knowledge. How long has your son known Lisa? pruitt they'd been classmates classmates for at least a year as far as I know they've also been members of the marching band for as long as two years and I'm not sure if they knew each other in junior high school. I'm only recently aware of her becoming a special friend among the many friends that Dan has and I have I've heard him referred to her as his girlfriend a few times over the past six months. She's been a guest in her home on a couple of -CATIONS and I'm sure they've met socially through mutual friends and acquaintances and share interests. Could you tell me who Ken Workman is where he lives and his phone number. If you you haven't. Ken Workman is a friend of my daughter. And my son he lives in an apartment on North Moreland. Me have his address and phone phone number at home. But I don't know what offhand was there any friction between yourself and your son over his relationship with Lisa pruitt absolutely not in fact my wife and I had gone out of our way to invite Lisa to spend the entire afternoon with us when Dan and was visiting home last Sunday. September Ninth Nineteen Ninety. Unfortunately I never got to know Lisa. Very well only having met at her a couple of occasions but she seemed like a nice girl and one that I approved a Dan spending his time with. Were you aware that Lisa Pruitt was to visit your son between twelve thirty. Am and one am on the morning of September Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety. No now the first time I had an inkling of that was when Dan Awoke me and announced that he had found the bicycle and the police were outside. Were you aware at any time. Prior to the above incident that Lisa Pruitt may have visited your son under similar circumstances. No I had no inkling that may have happened when you and your wife were in your bedroom just prior to hearing the scream you stated that your bedroom and your son's bedroom have a bathroom in between and at the door leading from the bathroom to your bedroom was open. Was the door or leading from the bathroom to your son's bedroom open. No so that I understand you correctly from where you're lying in your bed. You could not visually see your son in his room. Is that correct. I could not see him when you first heard the scream outside and you and your son went to investigate. Did your son come into your room prior to going downstairs and outside.

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