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"Or business associates. See why life is better on a boat. Listening to Chicago's afternoon news here on 7 20 w G. N R at the Inspector general for the city out with the damning report on the shot spotter technology. You might remember I was talking last week. About a deep dive done by The Associated Press. And in fact, we had John O'Malley on the show. He's the deputy mayor for public safety. He says that the shot spotter technology works. Studies are one thing, I think what's more important? Is helpful in crime fighting or in solving some of the shootings, which and sometimes lead to homicides. I can tell you Mike. Knowledge of it is that the shot spotter technology is extremely accurate and identifying gunfire, which then will often lead to, um, not often always leads to a response from CPD. Sometimes after the fact. But there is evidence recovered at the scene often times that maybe wouldn't have been recovered or would have been harder to find based on simply 911 calls of shots being reported. So that's the deputy mayor's view of it. What is Alexa Van Brunt's view? She's the director of the MacArthur Justice Center at Northwestern They did their own study, and she joins us now, Alexa, welcome to the show. Thanks so much pleasure to be here. Thank you. So what do you make of what the deputy mayor said there. It's just pretty shocking in light of the substantial evidence to the contrary, that shot spotter is incredibly inaccurate and unreliable. That's evidence the MacArthur justice, their Justice center found analyzing the city's own data from O E. M. C, which collects, Uh, Chicago dispatch data from the police and most recently and most telling me it confirmed by the Office of Inspector General in Chicago, which did its own analysis of OMT records and found that About only 9% of CBD. CPD response. Two shots for other alerts, Uh, led to a gun related offense. Okay. Far from being incredibly accurate. It's really the reverse. It's incredibly inaccurate. Alexa Van Brunt is with the MacArthur Justice Center at Northwestern. Let me play Devil's Advocate a little bit, so I was thinking of this. Uh, so they had I don't have the numbers in front of me. But if they if they're there 10% accurate 10% of the time they pick up a gun call, right. So here it is. The analysis found that of 50,176 alerted viewed only Turned up evidence of gun crimes, so that's 5000 events where they were alerted to gunfire. It's not 95%. It's 9%. But is is there benefit at least in that 5000 times they were alerted to gunshots in the city. I don't know. I don't think so. And I think the I'd address that. Also when questioning about shot spotters what they called relative costs and benefits, because while there might be it, mama Findings of gunfire and accuracy. It's no less accurate. Sorry. It's no more accurate than people who actually call 911 when they hear gunshots at the horror are a Fed. People who are living in shot spotter neighborhoods between oh are mostly on the on the West South side. Leslie back and found residents of Chicago become targets of really Hot, armed, aggressive police raids in response to these words, and they're subject to a lot of Pretty brutal police actions stop and fresh than arrest for other offenses that are not warranted. So the cost of three of this technology that's been shown to be unreliable. So a 10% success rate. That is not something we would, uh we would be okay with and any other function of government. I was just searching. I was searching for silver lining, but I guess they came up short there. I'm The inspector general talked about what you just alluded to, and I want you to expand on it a little bit. So if you're a Chicago police officer and you get a call that the shot spotter has gone off at the corner of main and oak. You're going to rush there, and when you're there, you're adrenaline's up, and you think there's someone around with a gun and that That means you're going to behave even if it's in a professional way in a way that's going after the people who were there to check them out to see what they're up to do. We'll see what they're up to. If 90% of the time you're showing up at that corner. Well, I should let you explain it. But tell me about the Um I don't want to use the word harassment because the cops are showing up thinking the right doing the right thing to But tell me about that that interaction where people the officers wrongly show up at a corner thinking there's been gunfire there. Right. I mean, you said it their price for violence that go into a neighborhood thing. He knows that a gunshot and but we know from all this data, including that analyzed by that ideas, it's not But the officers respond expecting expecting violent crime, and the result is are really bad outcomes to Chicago residents. You know our Chicago police departments under confront decrease For excessive force already and for discriminatory use of force. Already, it's a DOJ has found CPD discriminates against black and brown people already, uh, in the usage. No reason whatsoever other than that, they live near a shaft. Father, Uh, Paul in their neighborhood, And that's just not okay. Even if there even if not brutalized, those are your words, but they're they're looked at suspiciously and dealt with officially just because They're standing near that spot. Alexa Van Brunt is the director of the MacArthur Justice Center at Northwestern. So have you talked to officers? The deputy mayor says the officers believe they're well served by this spot. Shadow technology. What's your experience? Well, I think the problem is we can't govern and they can't use law enforcement That's based on anecdotes. Um, I don't know what officers believe on the ground, but we know what officers of data and that's What's much more than important metric here, which is how many shots Water alerts are actually leading to a gun related crime that Chicago police officers report it's based. So it's hard for me to believe they do think it's accurate when they're not. Filing reports based on sound gun crime. I don't know if this was part of your study. But the AP last week also looked at the use of the gun spotter technology as evidence in trial and Very often. It's thrown out or deemed not reliable. So can you expand on that a little bit? Yeah, I think that today That's a really great point. It's another tell of the unreliability of this. I guess that technology, which is Living in if somebody is arrested, based on the shot spotter alert once the case makes its way to the Cook County state's attorney's office in Fox's office has been throwing these pieces out. Finding You would assume that that's the shot slaughter evidence is unreliable and that it won't support their burden of proof that trial, Um and the public defender has been challenging, chopped slaughter in courts of law, and they're winning these cases, Uh, when the Cook County State's attorney's office fails to, um, you know Try to raise the specter of reliability with this technology. And so the cases are getting dismissed.
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"shadow technology" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN
"Friday said to on WMDs, an Fox on Shadow Technology, allowing an 11 year old girl and fully Minnesota toe order her own lunch for the first time last week. Chicken sandwich want a chicken sandwich that would you want, Okay, We're having a chicken sandwich. Harley Walker suffers from cerebral palsy and is nonverbal. McDonald's endorse section normally closed for Cove. It opened to allow her to use a device It's called I gaze By Toby Dinah Box. She locks her vision onto an icon on the screen for more than 0.4 seconds. And it speaks for her. I just witnessed my daughter talk for the first time and order her own food. That's her mom. Melissa, who says Until now she never knew what hardly like to eat. Now I know that hardly like chicken sandwiches, no orange drink. That's amazing device isn't limited to making choices. She can also select emotions or communicate. What hurts if she's sick with Fox on Tech and a Iliopoulos Fox News Prince. Mm hmm. On welcome back to the program, all right? Sheriff Dale Schmitt, standing by Dodge County Sheriff. To talk about. I don't even know how this is happening, but it is to talk about how now in some areas, the administration level of law enforcement agencies. Has now banned rank and file police officers from displaying the thin blue line flag. Which, of course, is a way of them displaying support for their profession. High share of how are you? All fantastic aria, Vicky, I'm doing well. So in response to in the latest was University of Wisconsin Police Department chief Christian Roman announcing that her officers they're not to have not allowed to have patches or pins, bumper stickers or coffee mugs or anything displaying the thin blue line flag. And for those of you who don't know what that is. That's the black and white American flag and one of the stripes on the flag is blue and its signal support for law enforcement If there is a red stripe that signal support for fire departments, But the blue one is for is for police. So I enjoyed reading your response to that. But when you hear the chief of university, Wisconsin Madison Police Department say that the thin blue line is somehow a dog whistle for extremist groups. What do you say? Well, I'm not going to certainly disparage any other agency or chief. But But when I hear this kind of a sentiment that really is disheartening in and really makes me think that we're most pandering to those hateful ideologies against law enforcement. And really, what is the basis for this flag? This flag represents unity with law enforcement. It's not solidarity of law enforcement. It's unity of the community with law enforcement. And we support each other. The community supports us and go back to Robert Peel, the original author of law enforcement. Really The people are the police and the people that police are the people are the police and the police. Other people. We are part of the community and we need the community support to do what we do. And and for us to say that somebody has that this flag represents. Hateful ideologies pushed by extremists is just ridiculous. How are we going to allow this? This rhetoric to change what we do on a daily basis? Because we have people who are out there carrying the American flag, who might also be determined to be extremist on another level. Are we gonna all of a sudden that's fly that American flag anymore? That doesn't make any sense at all. It represents law and order. It represents law enforcement, being out there protecting everybody's lives, property and constitutional rights. That's what it's all about, and we can't allow the media or others to dictate otherwise and to change that. Because that's really what it is, and unfortunately, the media has been a huge disservice to law enforcement and they have carried this this hateful rhetoric towards us. And while we're working so hard in our communities to make sure we have positive interactions, just like this past weekend we had we had a very stressful situation. Standoff lasted eight hours. At the end of that eight hour standoff. Our patients led to this person going Well, not home, but but led to him that not being you know, a statistic Hey, was removed. He was taken into custody. But he was safe. And I've gotten thank you letters for that. And and those things go completely unnoticed because so many people out there just want to demonize us and the hundreds of thousands of positive contacts that happen every single day. Are thrown out the window. Because we have people like our governor who puts out statements that they don't get all the facts. And once all the facts come out that Kenosha was actually justified, and he actually did exactly what he was supposed to do. Then they still come out and say We still didn't do it right. And that's what's frustrating. Yeah, you've actually got a governor who, before any facts were known before the riots even took place denounces, renounces and otherwise demands for expulsion of Kenosha police officers. In the Jacob Lake incident. But Lieutenant governor actually got the facts so wrong that he said Blake had died. I mean, these were facts that were left to stand. The press didn't call out the governor of the lieutenant governor and say, Why don't you wait until everything you know all all of the facts were in. Why didn't you do anything to stay? Stand with law enforcement instead. Look what happened in Kenosha in Madison when you don't have a press, and you don't have a government that stands with the police officers in the city of Madison. Then what you end up having a riot's broken, you know, shop windows and business is business owners that have invested their life savings being completely wiped out all because of the politics that somehow have have formed around police and the politics.