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Roy Halladay's Perfect Game

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20:09 min | 4 months ago

Roy Halladay's Perfect Game

"In ten years ago today Roy Halladay made baseball history faces. Twenty seven banners. Who's just a second perfect game ever thrown by a Phillies Pitcher and the twentieth in? Mlb history today. The Athletics Matt. Gelb joins us to remember that historic performance to talk about holidays. Tragic death in a plane crash three years ago and to discuss how he's remembered today selflessness that you talk about reality. He deflected everything the attention good attention that he got and it just all for everybody around from wondering on the athletic. I'm could beat the Davidson. I'm it's Friday. May Twenty ninth and this is the lead felt like something great. And that's not good this. This isn't a story. Be The athlete it stays with you. We'll so matt remind US About Roy Holidays career before he joined the Phillies Roy. Halladay was probably the best if not one of the best pitchers of his generation and the Blue Jays win. They're dating much emotion as we've ever seen him but he was overlooked because he was in Toronto with the Blue Jays and he didn't get a lot of notoriety despite putting up tremendous stats despite winning. Cy Young Awards Roy. Halladay has one hit. The Yankees just witnessed one of the fun is performances of his career. It always fascinated me how he wasn't really talked about as often as he should have been. I mean this guy was really the last sort of type of his kind. I mean you don't see pitchers complete games anymore. Roy Halladay made it a point to complete as many games as he could and really we. We won't ever see a picture like that again. I don't think and what kind of reception did Roy. Halladay have upon arriving in Philly. I mean it was crazy and the camera and the media. They were everywhere. Recording with this guy was doing his first couple of days affiliate uniform now this guy I mean. The phillies really hadn't seen a picture of his tight for a long long time. I mean they're famous for having one of the greatest lefties of all time Steve Carlton they had curt Schilling in his prime in the nineties. But Really Roy Halladay was unlike any pitcher the phillies that required he was in as in his prime and there was just this incredible amount of excitement around him joining the phillies because they had been trying for so long to acquire and they finally got him what the State of the Phillies at this point in two thousand ten when they add this as to their staff I mean the phillies are coming off back to back. World Series appearances. They've never been more popular in the city than they were at that time at the beginning of the twenty ten season. I mean they have popular players like Chase Leeann Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins and they add Roy Halladay to that mix and you know really the expectations were to to be in another world series and Roy. Halladay was given the ball on opening day and he was there to really set the pace for this team. We'll so matt take back to May Twenty ninth twenty ten set. The scene for US Live Stadium here. Miami Florida Josh Johnson. In the Florida Marlins of just taking the field as the phillies are preparing for well. The first thing I remember is that it was game one of the Stanley Cup finals. And the only reason I remember that is because the flyers were playing the blackhawks. And it's a Saturday night. You know it's late. May it wasn't really a great atmosphere. I mean there weren't a lot of fans there two of this series but also game five of this road trip. Let's take a look at Charlie manual. Starting Lot of brought to you by Xfinity. There really wasn't a lot of attention. I don't think in Philadelphia for this phillies game. Well and how did HALLADAY START THE GAME? Was He hot right out of the gate. He wasn't I mean. The first inning might have been one of his stress strenuous innings behind three and two. I mean it wasn't necessarily his best command. But he made the pitches really when he had to the outside Corner Call Strike. I think knew what he was. Just hoping that the fire Mike to Mural. Give him a pass. There's obviously this whole baseball etiquette of not talking about a perfect game while it's going on but to you in your head at least. When did you first start to think? And he could. He could really do this. I think it was around the sixth inning and it was a ball was hitting the whole. So you have Wilson bowed has. Who's just this bench player career bench guy and he has to make a really challenging play to his right and it's challenging because Cameron may is the one you hit. And he's probably the fastest guy in the Marlins at the time shortstop which could be a maven speed deaths. Hurries time to get six three on the put out to but that stuck in my head and just like you just kinda sort of started feeling like this guy might do this thing. What's that moment like? When halladay finally gets the twenty-seven everybody on their feet nowadays is not an amazing play. It really isn't. It is a good play made by Juan. Castro is the third baseman. Who's filling in and the ball? If by Ronny Paulino. Who's a backup catcher? He's pinch hitting and he's not very fast. So this ball takes a hop on the dirt and he does this little turn rose and he gets Paulino by considerable man. It was not a close play at first base toward third. Castro has spins fires the second perfect Game Philadelphia Street. He faces twenty seven. He retires. It was just a perfect play and really was. I hate to use that word. Because it's it's it might be cliche but it just really was. There's something about that played. It is so indelible in everyone's minds Roy twenty seven batters twenty-seven out tell us a little bit about it to say You know we felt like we grew early and about fifth or sixth. I was just following. I can't say enough about so matt. You and our colleague Meghan Montemurro wrote about the unique way that Roy halladay celebrated his achievement afterward. Tell us about that soon. After halladay pitched a perfect game. He wanted to find a way to you. Know thank his teammates and thank people around the phillies and this is not unusual. I mean we've seen guys in the past give out a ring or by a watch or do something special take take guys out for a really nice dinner. But in how his mind he he thought that this transcended that he thought that there were more people to thank than just the people who were on the field within that night. He thought he should thank everybody. Wanted to buy these luxury watches. He's bomb and mercy watches. They were you know a couple of grand apiece and everyone meant the clubhouse staff the video guys the trainers the front office. The doctor the bat boy his family his agent the scout who signed him sports psychologists who helped guide his career. He ended up getting sixty seven of these watches. And not only did he get these watches. He had them personalized with each person's name on the back of the face with the line score from this game. He designed a box that they came in and there is an engraving in the front and it says we do together. Thanks Roy Halladay Royston. I pitched a perfect game. We did it together for some guys. Like rich. Do is pitching coach and someone who was extremely close to him. He wants to wear the watch the watch almost every day and anywheres it because he wants to be reminded of the person that Roy. Halladay was selflessness. That you talk about reality know wasn't he deflected everything the attention of attention that he got any of just all for everybody around Don Lean is affiliate strength and conditioning coordinator who developed a really close bond with Roy Halladay. He made it a point to recognize everybody. That was involved in a moment that was truly his is moment but he wanted to make sure that we were all understood that we would not have happened without all of us participating together in as a team meant so much to us right it. Just it's forever ingrained in our minds and hearts for like that moments that we got. We got the witness. Did you know two out of three guys will experience? Some sort of male pattern baldness by the time. They're thirty five. The best way to prevent hair loss is to do something about it. Well he still have some hair left. You step to go to the doctor for a prescription but thanks to keeps you can skip the office and online to get hair loss. Medication delivered right to your home. Keeps makes it easy and delivered your medication every three months so you can say goodbye to the pharmacy checkout lines and of course awkward doctors visits keeps can take four to six months or more to see results so that makes it even more important to act fast. 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Jewelry Dot com slash lead and use code lead for twenty five dollars off. That's light box. Jewelry Dot com slash lead code lead for twenty five dollars off. What was the transition to life after baseball? Like Roy Holiday. Well for a lot of these guys it you have to fill this competitive nature that you have and some guys are able to do it better than others. And the way that Roy Halladay did it was sort of immersing himself in the psychology of the game. He had this close bond with Harvey Dorfman. The announced sports psychologists who really helped to rebuild his career in the early two thousands when he struggled and Palley felt like he had to pay it forward he wanted to give back. He wanted to sort of be. Harvey Dorfman was to him. He wanted to be that for other players and so he started taking classes at local colleges. He started volunteering with the phillies as a mental skills coach. He started coaching his son's Baseball teams travel teams He became an assistant coach at at a local high school in clearwater Florida. Where his oldest son? Brayden was a pitcher he was really embracing this life of paying it forward and giving it back and at the same time he started. Show a little his lighter side. He opened a twitter account which we thought was so out of character. The former ACE tweeted a picture of himself taking the mound against a fan whom he struck out. He captioned the tweet quote. I recorded my first strikeout since retirement time for a comeback. She has a better swing than a Rod. No steroids and quote but it turns out. You know he's pretty funny a lot of us all some of it behind the scenes he did. Love to joke was a great prankster. But you know the the average person didn't get to see that until Roy. Halladay opened a twitter account After retiring and it was pretty funny and what role did flying in his life. I mean he was an avid pilot. HIS FATHER. Roy was a pilot. This is flying is something that always fascinated him. I can recall numerous times when when before drones were a thing before they were cool. Ray Halladay had a lot of money to spend and he would by the biggest fanciest cools drones. You've ever seen and I'm talking about twenty ten. Twenty eleven he would fly around the clubhouse he wants had one of the club's give him Ryan Howard's paycheck the attached to the drone any fluid over to Ryan Howard's locker and dropped off the paycheck that way and everyone kind of thought that was awesome but flying was one of the ways that he sort of replaced these competitive juices so matt walk us through what happened in November twenty Seventeen Roy. Halladay had this this plane. It was almost like a trick plane. It was a small plane that he liked to fly and honestly he parked right near his house in Florida and he was able to. Kinda get up and get down and he would take his sons up there. He would take his sons friends up their teammates and he loved to fly and he gotten a lot of hours flying but On this day he took his plane up and this is in a residential area. I mean this was not this was not in a secluded spot where he was doing this flying and they describe in radic flight path and to sort of flying close to the water And then doing these tricks and being upside down and really the descriptions were that of over neurotic. Pilot this new video obtained by TMZ. Sports shows former baseball star. Roy Halladay flying his plane just moments before he fatally crashed into the ocean. Who really there was this feeling that he had so much left to give to this game. He had found this interest and he had taken a job with the phillies a fulltime job. He put his cell phone number on the door and invited any player to call him if they needed to talk. It's sad because he did have more to give back to this game you know. There was a toxicology report in the NTSB INVESTIGATION. That that really revealed that he. He was truly reckless. When flying this plane and he had allowed drugs in his system. He was abusing painkillers. He was abusing other drugs. He had a lot of problems. He had a lot of demons that he wasn't able to escape and new in the years since his death. We have come to learn a lot more about these struggles. That Roy Halladay had well. There is just this outpouring of grief when he died not just in Toronto or in Philly but but really throughout the baseball community. And I think we all remember when when the phillies and the Blue Jays memorialized him and his wife Brandy gave one of the more emotional speeches are eulogies that we've ever seen. I didn't know how big my heart was until I felt the amount of hurt in it with him with all my heart that we can still live in a way that will honor him and make him proud somehow live up to that impossibly high standard. What was it about? Doc that everyone everyone felt this immense sense of loss. You know I think what it was. Is that this man. He was the epitome of perfect. He was the definition of an ace. You just thought he was infallible. And he wasn't because no one is and I do think that that is something that Brandy holiday. His his widow has tried to stress in the years since that. Everybody struggles with something and in the end. It's hard to to grapple with now because royalities legacy is that he was the guy that you wanted with the ball in a game seven but in reality he he struggled in his own mind to be that guy. He didn't think that he had done enough to be that guy. He didn't think he was good enough. And it's just. It's just hard to to know that there weren't enough people around Him who knew this that he had these struggles or there weren't enough people around him to tell him that he was doing enough on finally Matt. We go back to the perfect game that we are remembering today and you you said earlier that you know in many ways Roy Halladay. The man was clearly flawed. But Roy Halladay. The player was was perfect. You know he pitches his game. He goes on to pitch a no hitter in the playoffs when you think of his legacy what role does that perfection do those no hitters play in in the legend of Roy Halladay. Ooh It really did provide you know the apex of his career. I'm glad that had happened when it did with the phillies and that a lot of us were able to see it. You know. It's a shame you never picture world series and it's a shame. He only pitched a handful of postseason games. But it's cool that we got those those moments. It's really cool. We got those moments in one of the one of his. Generation's best pitchers gave us some of those signature moments. And I think that's why there's such an attachment to that perfect game matt. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you you can read Matt Galvin Meghan Monte Muros interviews with Roy holidays former teammates at the athletic dot com. Thanks for listening this week. Our show is produced by Matt. Strauss and honors Kelco sound design and mixing by White on Lynn. Aaron May Joe Richardson Back. Checking by Ian Hurley. Our theme song was composed by Lindsey. Graham our Executive Producer is under Calcio. Our editorial director is me could be the Davidson. The show was executive produced by marshal. Louis and non Lopez for wondering from wondering on the athletic. I'm Davidson CNN last week.

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The life of 'Mr Eternity'

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52:13 min | 3 months ago

The life of 'Mr Eternity'

"This is an ABC podcast. Hi My name's miles. I live in the Sierra Nevada mountain here in California, with my dog, happy of Charleston this episode via. The Greatest Charleen Story to one of my favorites. Really stock with me one that I. Really enjoyed, and hopefully never forget and I really had be like it. Back in the nineteen thirties and forties, people living in inner city Sydney would get up in the morning and that would go to work. And then they would not something unusual on the streets of the city. Freshly written in Chalk, imperfect copperplate script was a single word. Eternity. The looping handwriting on the eternity was beautiful and the tail on the why at the end of eternity real out to underline the rest of the word? was something grand and a bit cosmic about it, but you had to look down to the dirty footpath to see it. Now? There was no explanation for this no apparent context. The author or artist was unknown. Articles appeared in the newspapers are. What was going on? who was the mysterious Mr Eternity riding on the streets of Sydney and no one seemed to know. And then in June nineteen, fifty-six The Sunday Telegraph newspaper broke the story. After several decades of anonymity, the identity of Mr Eternity was revealed. His name was author states. And Office spent hours almost every day for thirty five years. On this gentle project. Other states was a deeply religious man. But he hadn't always been that way. Roy Williams is here today and Roy has written the story of the style with the help of Elizabeth Myers, new man himself and Roy Williams. Book is called Mr. Eternity Hello Roy Hello, Richard, thank you for having leaked purchaser three about the newspaper when you start to through the archives and you start seeing newspaper reports asking this question in the nineteen forties this, isn't it? Who is this Mr Attorney? Let's start to appear in the mid forties. Roundabout World War Two and. There were lots of them and I are prominent though Iran in for example, call a night in the Sydney Morning Herald and on the front pages of other sort of prominent gossip columns in all the Sydney pipe it's. Even, the Communist Party's Piper. The all tribute the mentions of author, but before they before I knew who it was. And there was lots of speculation about who was doing it. Y was doing it. it really became a talking point an as the fifties. Drew on. More and more articles appeared and. Arthur himself apparently used to chuckle to the F-, the few people who who were in on the secret, he told very few people, his wife, and just one or two others. He's church. Where we're a retired schoolteacher today. Edith and then he chuckled and wonder off, but. So those are the kind of room. Retired schoolteacher it's they sold that and with this sightings of him had there been sightings of him. Yes, I mean a lot of people, not a lot of people, but some people spotted him from time to time, so it was nine he was, he was A. Middle aged man in in had kites indeed crashed over the over the footpath. Always perfectly dressed in a three piece, suit and And felt hat firstly, sean shoes. When you read these reports like the WHO is the Mr? Kennedy thing was. Do they recognize that? There was a sermon in this word or was it was was the. Would itself mysterious in the context of mysterious? In those days Richard of course. Ninety percent of the population identifies as Christian. We're only fifty percent now. And I think if you read the articles. I knew that Arthur's message was a one would sermon and that he he's. Meaning was to get people thinking about death and the afterlife in judgment. But the word of course was more risen a net, and that's the reason I think what's still so popular that It conjures up all the biggest questions of the nature of time human mortality the past the future. HOPE all of those notions you can read into almost whatever you like, and it's It's such a beautiful wood, so Arthur's original choice was inspired and the way it was written. It's it's very beautifully written. He had this looping handwriting. This couple played handwriting. That's too so elegant and and lovely so Atanas to an idea of I. Don't know like art. It's almost. I suppose the word itself. It's cosmic sort of. Associations and the nature of the whites written is so lovely written carefully written seems to be the kind of artful this to it. Yes, yes, it's beautiful. It's simply a beautiful object, and that's been picked up since his death by some of the great strategy and artists in all genres. Not just painting visual, put music as well. poetry. it is, it is one of the most beautiful words and finally enough. It only appears once in the Bible is down. At least in the King James Version, which is the one that the authorized version that would have been working from like I said the story breaking fifty six in the dietary big news when it brought it was, it was a huge double page spread in the Sunday Telegraph, which had a massive circulation in those days. And the journalists who wrote the piece Tom Farrell was one of the absolute guns in the in the frank, packer stable. So we're talking. The height of the journalistic profession, and there are other rights. People are given Ceuta who who wrote about off now the top of the tree in the day, so yes, it was a big story, and Biden immediate impact and was followed up by. Many stories after that for Authors Tyson they him as as Mister. And they interviewed him as well. Who was Arthur stayce at that time in the year hundred, fifty, six, hundred, the appear. What was he doing what had had any? Has He introduced to the Telegraph Rita's at that time will in nine and fifty sixty seventy one year old man. It was a frail wisp of a block. Tiny men, he'd been undernourished as a child, and he was never more than the bet, non Stein ringing wit, and the old in the in the. Gray haired. Beautifully dressed as we discussed. Real Ozzy Butler usually quintessential. Ozzie the kind of Ozzy that really doesn't exist anymore. Was He uncomfortable big even that he worked on under anonymity or this is, was he uncomfortable? Having been identified, he was he was. He was a very humble man. It'd be doing it for twenty four years before he finally agreed. that he's identity could could could be revealed. So why did he agree well in the end because he's pasta at the Burton, Street Baptist. Tabernacle away worshipped for many years in Sydney. Some of Darling. I is pastor. A man named Lyle. Thompson the father of the lady with him a write the book he pleaded with he'd been pleading with him for five years to let him tell the story publicly an kept of an airing and Don't really want the attention you know. It's the message that matters not not not Hawaii. But Lol Thompson eventually convinced him that Arthur Zion. Story would add another layer of meaning to to the message. He was trying to convey now until the backstory of office styles. You've worked with a swimming. You mentioned that Elizabeth Myers Connection to office Elizabeth new author as a child. When she came to the Tabernacle nine fifty, one father took up the pastas Pasta, and what did she remember of him? Oh she remembers She was ten when she first met him. She was wary of him at first know because he was, he was an unusual demand with a raspy voice, and from this very tough working class background. Dominance itself was, it was a new environment for a girl had come from a sheltered, Christian House and have a field. The as it wasn't a gentrified pleasure Palestinians today was it was a rough got slumming. Absolutely, it was as rough as it. God in the streets were full of drunks and prostitutes and flashes Elizabeth Funny Story. That being fleshed at in a mill, power and Oxford Street. Shortly after she arrived, you can get an. Dade! So so it was a it was an open. A bitchy very quickly worked out that. Her appearance. Respected author. He was actually the cleaner and caretaker at the Tabernacle. That was one of these jobs -I. The end a pittance doing it, but he did it very lovingly and. his parents came to respect him as a as a very fond man, a humble man. It had a very tough, but it turned himself around. You know well. Let's talk about bit tough life. When he was born in eighteen, eighty, five before strategy was even federated. What was he? What was his early life like workers? The family he was born into. Yes, it's an. It's an amazing story in itself, so he's father was actually from a very wealthy and privileged upper middle class English family. We've ministers of religion admirals of the fleet, and so forth on at least five from an upper class family. He did Ron's father. William would states, but he was a wastrel. He quits position in the army in Idaho and seventy seven. decided on Mikey's Fulla tune in the colonies. Familiar story here that is. The unfortunate why about class families washed ashore in Australia and some of them, did I kind of some of them not say well. Yeah, it was one of the black shape the remittance main. He had this fifty pound allowance, which was sort of just enough to spoil him and he. came out to. Timeout initially the Melbourne why up to Sydney. And he met. The woman who Laura Lewis. A local girl from Windsor Windsor District of New South Wales farming convict stock. and. They very quickly hooked up and she got pregnant. And William Woodstock's stay said to make a decision do it. Do I Just. And Gone Back to England. Because he had probably was a doctor and A. Surge. Sister was married to. A surgeon could have returned to England, but he didn't. And he ended up having. Six children with with Laura. Arthur's Arthur's mother Arthur was the fifth fifth of six kids. Right of six kids who one died as an infant. Probably Authors I long term memory when his little sister. died. As an infant I mean just to paint the picture so William Would St- ice. Was A was drunk. You know skills. Say was this. Was this posh Englishman, but he couldn't hold down a jolt and he took to the bottle. So a slide into poverty. Poverty then of rented houses and Nina's city of. Suburbs of Sydney and off his mother was she went for the bottle, is well she? She to eventually took to the bottle. She her father was a vicious trump could. Who'd beaten her mother? and was in and out of jail Laura's mother a is a horrible story. Laura's mother had attempted to. Kill One of Laura's Laura's first child Arthur's half sister Clara so he came in. This was the family that I was born. Alcohol is a full from grace. There's violence and everything else and scholars will nine ninety nine. They had the steal food from the children was sent out to steal food from from doorsteps. When he was doing, they're going out to steal food to feed him saw seeks. All system mini. It was sort of the Tomboy who who looked after the three brothers Arthur was the youngest of the three boys, and was. He put to work at a young age was that a little bit lighter when he was fourteen? What in fact happened was that is mother gave them up. So the father deserted. Ninety two. -ECKOGNIZE is that was a criminal offence for the for the for the mile breadwinner to desert? And The. Mother was victim. Laura was victim from the high in Alexandria. That stage disturbed onto the straight, extremely strict landlord tenant laws in this. Was Protection And she she gave up she she took her. five children along to the Sydney believable and a solemn charity that have been set up in the not and century. and guy up the four eldest children to foster care. She just couldn't cut couldn't look after them anymore, so other women to foster care. Yes, he was seven. And it appears that. That was one aspect of his childhood of his whole life that he never wanted to talk about it. Clearly, even though the family was dysfunctional. And they will you know sort of good and charitable reasons to to put him into foster care that. sense of abandonment of of being given up by Byron Mother. Naval lifting, and it was. It was one of the things he just he just never locked to talk about. He was also separated from your siblings because he got sent pretty quickly to gulbudden to A. Alleged widow who took him in? on the outskirts of Gulbuddin and he was there for seven years on his aren't. We. Don't know much about the that period. Other than that he. He almost certainly learnt to write. It was probably the Golden Public School in the nineties. Who told him that caught apply applied scripts indeed. He sees conversations. With Richard Fidler. On. ABC Radio Roy! Williams in Roy has authored a book called Mr Eternity the story of Arthur status, and he's with the assistance of Elizabeth. Myers this is the man who strolled eternity in beautiful copperplate script into walk on the pavements for parts of Sydney for many decades. He was a man of mystery until these identity was finally revealed almost against his will in the nineteen fifties. So artery lift foster carey guys. He said he humped these Bluey for wall. What does that mean to Hump? Ones Bluey I think that that slang is lift the language, isn't it? He had a lot of is expressions the eldest straddling Linga. The humping the Bluey actually tiny bit lighter said is another episode Richard In between School in Galvan. He worked for two or three years in a coal mine, so that was his first job is a as a four hundred fifty nine year old. Boy He was put put to work still part of the foster care scheme. Dan the south coast, any woolen go the Mount Kimbler and Mount Pleasant Kalman's he was. He was underground dreadful conditions. There were two very serious industrial accidents explosions in the Mon-. many killed Arthur survived those but that's what he's. He's I'm drinking. Problem began. You'll always city his first paycheck. First thing he did was go to the local meant pleasant. Boban, shouting nights A. Maga of be what fourteen full tank what he did. He slipped into alcoholism. After that yes, and he's mid-teens. That's right. He's mid, so this is around federation. stride is become a nation. And author has become a Nile hyper. He. Couldn't all down a job. That's when he began humping Bluey, so used to wander from town to town. Job to job becomes swag mundane. Jail Cell to Giles Hill. he a story. He was up near Tamworth. The early twentieth century it was a bad eighteen companies blue. He spent the not in a log. Hollow law I logged by the side of the road, and in the foreman of the place he was looking for a job. The Knicks it. You slipped in there. There's some blood found targets NYC in in here the other day. That's the law. He was leading. He was he was a year old fashioned swagman. And then he decided we think in about nine hundred and five to come back to Sydney. Now this is when you described these years as the ugliest of officers, why would they say I? E turned turned to crime eventually, macron. Not Directly He, he was involved with gangs of thieves and robbers e acted as a lookout because his little black. But he'd be mixed in some very vicious circles, talking beatings stand I've. Extortion. Tall dishonestly later in life of just what a vicious spirited he developed! He. was on the GROG as well You'll size. You'll say worked resigned. Sisters Brothel surry hills system was running a brothel in surry hills. Yes, what was his role? He acted as a scout will look at because rounding illegal two up school upstairs in the brothel, and also illegally bringing sly grog into the brothel so who was involved in both of those activities, so it's margin with again this really marginal life on the fringes criminal activity. That's right that's. Sort of going along with gangs doing this and that's look at for a brothel that that sort of stuff bumping alone. That's right. Moving constantly from one rented has to another. Did that for the best part of ten years right up to will will one so he enlisted for over one he did and where to go, and what did he do? Is Enlist you wouldn't have been accepted at first because the recruiting standards not in fourteen for. For actually really strict. Of course says the losses mounted on the western front recruiting stands were relaxed. And the conscription was looming, so it was in March not in sixteen author. Took himself along To enlist? seems to have been a last. Throw the dice for Arthur so he knew he was in news and now hyper, and this was a familiar story The Pie was good. By the standards of the die, and quite apart from the sort of patriotic pressure that many men filled. pool working class men like author soared as a job. No chance there I was was miserable, so so why not? He answered the cool and. Actually told all sorts of FIBS on his location form a lot of these realize his health. Tom In a raffle unit, Chuma certainly hadn't been in he really wanted to join up and the the fellow who was a Gallipoli veteran, who who took his application talks took pity on him, and and let him in so whether they send him. He was sent to the Western Front to France. got there in early not in seventeen. and. He was picked out initially as a bands men, so it's all of the battalions at their unbanned as a form of entertainment for the main. But that often led to the band's men being. Turned into stretcher-bearers, and that's and that's what author did. So he was in France first-half, not in seventeen so sore action bombs raining down guest. Three talk about that or did he keeps. Now, he took. He talked about that. In light a life, he must have seen some terrible things as get all those those mended at the front as old as they all do, but I suppose if you can say, there's any saving grace here all. At least he was sped. The obligation to have to kill. Yes, yes, and I'm sure in a life us. He was grateful for that. The stretcher-bearers. Were really beloved me. Incredible Courage to go into the field of battle. In and out pulling out manning unspeakable conditions of injury an agony. So I, do that for a few months and then Actually contracted pleurisy. and. was shipped back to do England where we spent months and months in A. Military Hospital recovering wait chest from child. You know for for obvious reasons slipped out under the house. It's same. Column on so you always had a weak chest and he. So he is, he escaped and came back to. A troop sheep in early non, but he was a shell shell of a man, so once he returned to Sydney in those possible years Dante that he saw back into these off that he'd have he did. He doesn't seem to have gone back into crime. You just simply become a derelict. Beckham grow back on the GROG. lulling around in the. Suburbs again dialing his surry hills new town. in and out of jail, the cops picked him up on countless occasions and throw him into the either not sell, and then kicked him out again in the morning. He did have a small repatriation pension, which which kept him alive, so he's he's service entitled him to that, so he lived like that for living years off yet, eleven years yet, and then in nineteen thirty. Edge of forty five. He entered a church. On Broadway in Sydney, and what kind of church was this created was it was a church of England? evangelical in style Loewe Churches as we say run by one of the great, Strides and Christians of the twentieth century man. Robert Hammond so he was longtime minister the. And in Anonymous Thirties Hammond through. Donna Missile Bonnie's as was called set up an amazing system of charity for for the destitute. Affected by the Great Depression Hammond had been doing it for two decades before they, but he's he's services. Really became extra crucial during the depression, so there's not thirty this when the depression hit just. Bang, that and so he's creating soup kitchens. Essentially, that's in the southern suburbs, our market and around Ultimo in. She's in dialogue. Some of the worst slums in Sydney. As! S I. Imagined thirty percent unemployment. Very Limited social security knows dies, so Arthur would have gone there. I suppose for in you. said he went there for Patina rock cake. That's that's. That's what the that's. What the main were promised that the condition was. You had to sit through a gospel sermon. Before you gotTa capita in Iraq Guy, so that's hit a sermon and be, and it was converted to Christianity at that point was what what was that conversion process like? Was it like the lightning bolts conversion, or was it a sort of a slower was he persuaded to? It I have a time now for Arthur. A lightning bolt conversion a sort of pulled up experience so he? He, he always said that He, he came under a very strong conviction. Of his dreadful. Sinful past was ashamed of himself. a sense of hopelessness when he walked in. And Hammond convinced him of the the hope is the potential saving power of of the Gospel an? Arthur walked across Broadway in the Victoria Park. which is just NIA send university. And stood under a very large fig tree the still. And Pride got unease and pride and the always climbed and the. There's no reason to doubt him that for net not. Able you somehow the power not to drink. For Him. That was the number one thing he gave up the growth. PODCAST. Broadcast. Online. Conversations with Richard Fidler. On ABC Radio So we were talking before about his kind of sudden conversion to Christianity in nineteen thirty after having been born in terrible poverty, hitting the grow mid teens working in a coalmine being stretcher bearer. In, this is always cartoon initially awful his early life. It's just almost Maga-. You couldn't make this up. It's all on the record all happen. So in nineteen thirty, he goes into this church Barnabus church in Ultimo and Christianized. What about the concept of eternity what wins debt into in into his mind? That came a couple of years later so in November of nine thirty two. he took himself along to a different church a Baptist Church in in dialing hearst the the Tabernacle. And it was a visiting evangelist man. Cool John Ridley. WHO! Was Actually himself a veteran of the western front he'd come back with the military cross was it was a genuine war hero? And he does have become a baptist preacher. and He preached that not on echoes of eternity took his. He's Verse Fifty Seven Fifteen. and For an hour we just held off a spill bound. This like is a recording of a couple of years old sermons. The the genuine article, the fire and Brimstone and. With that? Accent that sort of halfway between Australian and English. Really from a very wealthy opposite of Arthur from The Eastern. Substance Sydney anyway. He gave the sermon. And at the end. He yelled out. I wish that I could sound or shout. That were returned to the streets of Sydney. And Arthur. went out inspired. He said he crowd you so in Spotty Fan and chalk in his pocket. He knows what that was. Bent down on the pavement. And wrote the word eternity. In this beautiful copperplate, and it is standard him because he wasn't illiterate. He'd always had trouble with with rotting, and he's a latest show that it wasn't a well educated man. But the single word came out. In an extraordinary. Beautiful Way. And it made an impression. And author wrote it. Every day. For the rest of his life, what was retained in the morning? He used to white at full united very little slow for four m four am wake and pray for an hour. That was his daily routine, so we'd Levi's Heim renovate five. And Chalk for well at least a couple of house every day on a day when he had to in front for work later in the morning he might, you might do it for two or three s lighter in his life. He used to do it all day. But in the early years probably in the thirties when when he had jobs, he would do it for couple of hours in the morning. Boys undercover of darkness, old door and lot when you know, there's fewer people as possible around Saturday in the commuters each morning. would find the would all over the streets eat start. In the suburbs and the CBD. And then lighter reworked. He's out further into the middle and outer suburbs Sydney. It must be something to be that commuted to see it. Freshly written during the Mr Eternity had been there mysteriously schooled like that clearly in the way. Of the morning. Is this art is poetry is. Both. What do you have a take on that Roy? I do it's It's all it's all of those things For other it was a one would sermon. Assuming on the pavement to sermon on the pavement is something that to. Isn't that indeed? The author was evangelism, pure and simple. But for many. Of the millions of Sydneysiders who sort of decades. It was poetry. That stimulated grind at people like Martin. Shop. And many others, artists of all genres painters poets musicians. Zimin opera written about author and eternity see it has the effect of fun out I, mean it. It's resting I. It's beautifully crafted, and there's something in the flesh the handwriting and it's got that kind of. It's got the good strong brushstrokes. If you like of any decent artist, the kind of confidence in Florida of that. And it it sits there all of the peace, and it's a bit mysterious to zoo thing and it has the sublime. Embodied in its word. But then it's on the punishment and you're gonNA walk across the kind of the rougher. If you lock and it's immoral, so the key was that he did it in chalk. Of course we've done in pint or or any other medium. You would have been arrested very quickly. The police did stop him a bit twenty times, apparently, Holy Map in question, neom and steamed through the lines and straits. Yeah? He's around from a copy the. Always let him go in the. And it was. It was Hamas because he's chalk was an ephemeral medium, and it will be washed away by the Knicks rain. So, is this something really beautiful? Yeah, is this beautifully on running in that? In that? You wrote this word eternity something that's going to be washed away by the Ryan Dade. Indeed all of these factors are at play I think Richard in the in the popularity of the would other trod a few out of the woods. Or went single words. He wrote things. Day God gone all seen and I just flat. and You understand what it. He soon came to realize that. There was something about that single would. And the way he writes and lighter after he'd been unmasked the third factor. He's I personal story, which became very well known in Sydney. became part of the legion, so you had added themes of redemption. Of Hub. Of Suffering lyod onto just the beauty and mystery. Of the word of the word eternity, all these factors play. He's an Australian whether they're religious. Secular Vine Lodge never had. Much time for sanctimony and do you think very very true? And do you think the fact that this one instead of running? Obey God which? He wrote eternity into defected. It's the single word sermon, and it's not surrounded by sanctimony, and that the observer brings their own thoughts is. Do you think that's why it's? It's been able to have this incredible power as a one would and to to reach the hearts of secular people I do I do and people are paid A. Written on this on this very thing PATER, Carey was in New York on his eighty nine and ninety nine and soared on the bridge and he's written since that. He just felt this incredible sense of pride in his. That that word was there an allegation, novelists and poets Douglas Stuart and Delia Faulkner Debra delight of tighten up this theme, not not for explicitly. Christian, reasons there've been other Christians who obviously used it for evangelist purposes, but It's had its head a remarkably wide appeal. I think there's another aspect of this when you when you go out in the first thing you work for hours every day rotting wood that gives pleasure to people like that. It's a kindness, and it's it's. It's like almost like getting flowers from someone. You don't know so when you see that it's for you. It's really lovely, and it is lovely Arthur Arthur everyone in newly elizabeth, and all the witnesses we we we spoke to. Conduct word that came up a lot in relation to Arthur. He was a man who was incredibly grateful. For the fact that he'd been rescued from this dreadful life, he'd leave for forty five years. He was a now almost harder on himself the NAFA. Continue to feel shame about about the way Lebed! Despite the handicaps he faced. So It was his gift. It was his gift to to the people of Sydney. He also a bit of a cystic extinct about him. WHO in their right mind gets up at that hour and spend two hours riding a single word for twenty years across across the city. Was Thirty thirty, five, thirty, five big. Panther. Across the city, but when there's a picture of him in your book is the small man and he's and he's. He's doubled up and he's he's just written. He's looking at these beaming clearly actor, writing eternity gave him enormous pleasure like it I it. It's fulfilled some creative. Urging him that that so completely. He did it again and again is in overseas. Theory that. We talked about his father. His father came from this wealthy, very well educated English background. We don't know how much author of a new of that. But he had exactly at a great grandfather who was a chaplain to Queen Victoria. And a an American cousin who is a professor of religion at Princeton probably author knew these things, but somewhere in his in his makeup. There was the potential for much greater achievement. And yet and yet. It's apt that he did it with one would. Muttonchop said many times. It took. Patrick Watt hundred thousand words. To do what I did in one. Give Voice. To. What's novels were bad. You said he was trying to open up people's faith. They didn't realize they hit. An author an author did it in one word. So, you said that he had several jobs. What kind of work do you have you all very menial? He and put him to work in the thirties in his soup kitchen so initially enough small hospital hospital for For Alcoholic men. As author had been, and then had a much larger establishment that Hammond sit up to help the unemployed. An author man does. He worked on the Sand Hills of Maroubra in the thirties state government sort of Mike Works game. What does work on the sandhills me? What shoveling sand literally labeling the sandhills? The government invented jobs full people condition to them getting the dull enough that. As a said lighter on, he became the cleaner and caretaker of the Baptist Tabernacle in darling host, but My favors. He also became the cleaner at the Red Cross building in the in the city. Between non and forty non fifty five. Guy There every morning. and he's Immaculate Three Sutin. there was some ladies who'd worked with him limited young women when I knew him for the movie that was made about him and ninety ninety four. They loved us, and he was the essence of politeness. They said And yet disappeared every lunchtime to sit on the street corner. Jefferson straight. With an open suitcase in hand out. Christian tracts, and then he come back in and resume. His work is cleaner and lift operator. Did he ever marry? He did now that this is a beautiful aspect to the story, so he met his wife Pearl. Pull Dawson. when he was in his mid fifties and Pearl was in her mid forties. They made it one of Hammond's soup kitchens and I married and non and forty two. And there is a beautiful story so Hammond by then was one of the best non figures in Sydney a respected by everyone from governors and premiers Dan. And offer asked Hammond after the wedding ceremony. What do I owe you, Gov? Ann Hammond shook his head. Extracted five pound note from resign pocket and handed to author said for the on. That was a sort of feeling that Arthur engendered in people. Ridley was a site. We really came to to revere Arthur. Even though really was the holder of the military cross, and the and the esteemed Baptist pather but they they all. He had this war about him. Sir In some ways. He's kind of like A. Conventional forbid a kind of a classic Evangelical Christian Henriette handbills lunch lunchtime rotting attended the on the other hand. He's assistant been embraced by. He was embraced by the counterculture to some degree in the nineteen sixties like modern shop. Who Do these on version of eternity could recognize and I'm going to use. The terrible would iconic. It was particularly for city Lacson the like the the front of Linda Park. And then people like banks, you mentioned banks either graffiti. Now you and I was just looking. One of his works where he's used a sentence with the word eternity Britain, and the end of it with the image of a woman scrubbing the last bit of eternity off, and it's written in the same style Yep as Arthur, Stein sink rather than yellow, but yes, so he is the one Handy Hawkins. Islamic, calligraphy art. In the past in the Middle Ages and then goes right all the way forward to contemporary out today where text an art and parental, these things are all combined and can be scrolled on a wall. It's very contemporary. There's a entrepreneur and Sydney Remote Giuffra who ran the remote. In dialing her stipend in the late ninety ninety Oxford Street. Crown and Oxford Windows. And Remo. If, there was a single person who helped to revive the the eternity legend. It was Raymond because he started making merchandise. with using the would attorney in a shop. Style on t shirts and other memorabilia. and. They saw like hotcakes and anyone trendy in Sydney in the naughty, naughty head one of these t shirts and And so many people in influential cultural circles in in Sydney in the noughties heard about the story in. You might not have known it. From early at times, and it was revived, and as said, there was a documentary film. Radio programs and the AD BC. Woman called Robin Rev Lidge. Might a beautiful radio show poems. Paintings, not just Martin shot, but but but other artists. And that'll culminated with New Year's Eve nine, ninety, nine and the Sydney. Olympics, they did it twice the also at the opening ceremony of the Sydney. Alenia, that's right. The head of a bridge mock happen. Again so twice. Arthur's message was seen, but literally billions through throughout the world astonishing. When you think that an Elizabeth, my co author is Nice Mac many times. Author was influenced by these giants of Australian. Evangelism Hammond really around father. And yet. All them. It was Arthur who reached by five or more people. He as you said was unmasked by the Sydney. Papers Fifty six. He was an older man. At that point. And he was interviewed on on radio. I've actually I'd like to play some of that to be honest, it's it's so it's. It's degenerated some much of atomic. It's hard to really make anything that's being said, but as you can hear his voice in the country. It's what Singson Austrian. It's an excellent. You just don't hear anymore Richard reminds me like Johnny. That's footage of John Curtin, giving a speech. Where expect every man to do their duty that all. The next. Yes yes, Governor. Pretty right pretty, that's what. People that stopping up and say what's this? What's this overriding eternity and cove at actor it's. GotTa Feis. Grandad used. Of Us, ED, my grandmother used to. He died in nineteen sixty seven after a long life. Are there any of his eternity still in existence. Yes, there are three that we now have. One of them for many years was inside the bail of the GPO clock tower in Martin Place in Sydney, some happy getting there. This is a mystery sometime in not in sixty three. We think when. The town was down during world. War Two and it took the modern years to put it up again sometime in sixty three, it was reconstructed. And we think in that process. Some stuff's snacky in right eternity inside the bill or he got him before the war. Well, that's the other possibility. No one knows no one asked him that question in. He's lost as far as we're aware and so, where's the bill now is that? It's it's still there, and it's certainly. A few years ago, the attorney was still however. That building that connick building has recently been sold. Some Asian property development consortium announced that Elizabeth is terrified that someone will go in there and not knowing what they're doing just. Just. Drop it off. With channel seven, the other were trying to get permission to go out there and have a look we couldn't. Anyway. That's one of the that's one. She's priced them. Fix It. It's got to be preserved. But then is that in the spirit of the eternity. Is. Always knew that it will disappear. You. Inside, the bill because it's indoor, says the the aneurysms. There's a second one in the Australian Museum in Canberra. which he right on a piece of black cardboard for for an elderly lady, his congregation, as as a gift, and she even to a pastor, who in turn gave it to the museum. That's enjoyable complex. COBB would not as big as the ones that used to rock which were bad I'd inches high quote, unquote, large and there's a third one which Elizabeth has which is unique because Arthur signed it as. he stays. For her mother. So mother. My Thompson very kind to Arthur. Knees in these last years and Used to cook for him in and look after him, so he gave he gave her one just before he died. So the second part of his life is a lot happier and certainly more fulfilling definitely infinitely so. This the the. Strains and habits of you you don't you don't lose that still you still have the old self inside of you. And and that was part of Mystique that that he he'd lived through both world wars, both of the great depressions, the added noughties cities the temperance movement. You sort of a leaving testament to a certain kind of Australia that's gone. And that was part of his appeal was one that was so in new to terrible hardships from the nineties onwards right up to the the end of the second war. Was Terrible. Hardship industry terrible deprivation that we we can't begin to understand so depressions to wilt was. Terrible mass casualties. On in in certainly in the I will typically, and in between all that the Spanish flu took questions. Bailey Billy's avoid that. It's a miracle, did I wonder he made of the postwar prosperity of Australia which which sort of started appearing in the notting sixties? Yes, he would be shaking his head now I mean he would be amazed. Generous Man. He didn't begrudge anyone the good fortune. the wealth. He actually befriended some very wealthy people at the Tabernacle. Here's a beautiful story. This rich doctor reached Sydney doctor half Arthur's age, but became his friend mancled hemingway. WHO Used to take to lunch and bought him a suit and. Pride with him love him. Anyway, author was about to be evicted after his wife Dodd the landlord wanted to sell and. was worried because he felt he still had a few more years of eternity in him, and this was his. Few more years of. Time BMXING alternate. and. Tell the doctor. I'm going to have to leave and the doctor went out and bought the house. Gave Arthur. The title ix the House on, bulwer, erode piemonte mantra. Now that's the sort of. Fiction this this this black inspired from people in new in best he was a genuine adequate was fit. He was fading. He wasn't a phony. You wasn't sanctimonious at all now. I was living in Sydney at the time when the two thousand clock diver and I went to a friend's party, overlooked, said the hub, and we knew the eternity was coming could see the construction work happening still win the midnight fireworks went off and the word eternity was written in its broad script right across the harbour bridge. It was a hall of the thing it was. Joyful and filled it completely apt in perfect to have been written, but the fact that Arthur's Tyson written his attorneys in Chalk on pavements to be washed away quite. They're quite modest in their own way. It was it was in Greg flaming lights on on the Harbor Bridge. What are you remember that moment yourself Roy I was watching on TV. Had Two little little daughters. told, Lizard that time I'd I'd gone to sleep but Infants at that and I came up at that moment, so he could. And you remember it, but. He's is in Seoul. The fireworks and they went back to sleeping. Well like Khan. Honestly say that but. Look I didn't know any. Children like I. Did take him to the Olympics later in the year and I still remember that I knew nothing of the of the background Even, though had fairly recently converted to Christianity Muscles. It's the one thing I've got income with amid not midlife convert. Come at it with zeal thereafter, but Yeah I I didn't know the story. terribly will at all until I was asked to write the book earlier they see. All the new to the story pretty much. Relatively new I mean I'm not old enough to have seen it as a child some. Relations deed the two thousand thing I was aware of it, but wasn't aware of the full back story so familiar this this was an an education in an amazing start in story Phil felt so privileged. Sense of heavy responsibility to be to be given it to tell it isn't data greatest strides knowing this one not at that, and it's been such a pleasure to speak with Roy about the spices story. Thank you so much. Thank you so much which? On. Online and on your. Conversations. ABC Radio. Today heard Richard. With Roy Williams from two thousand and Seventeen Roy's book with Elizabeth. MAS IS MR eternity the story of Arthur status. On Miles, and all this conversation, a long way from Australia I'm pretty fortunate to be out of chaining nearly every day and I look forward to. I wanted to bring you the story of author because I really loved his positive outlook on life and the character he was. Spent some Tom around dialing host, and even kind grew up in the country of. Also spent some time in the city I kind of. Identify little bit of that area and I could picture him about plies. And I just think it's such a beautiful thing for him to come. Out of a Kind of a rough place, and we've such a shining spirit and wanting to deliver. Such beautiful message and and to. Better his law. And I think one of the really cool things about Arthur was the never never wanted to Weiss to die? And off to spread love into the world. Something about those kind of. People who sometimes rough characters letter frowned upon. Now I'm not as the beauty having saw. Twenty five stories. Thanks conversations. You've been listening to a podcast conversations with Richard, Fidler! For more conversations interviews. Please go to the website ABC. Dot Net dot edu slash conversations. Discover more great ABC. podcasts live radio and exclusives on the ABC listen APP.

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"Good Morning. It's Wednesday August twelfth. I'm Mary Hildebrandt and here are the top stories from the Dallas. Morning. News. He'll be mostly sunny today with high of one, hundred, one expect clear skies tonight with a low of eighty-two. Our top story is new in nineteen cases. Dropped while deaths climbed dramatically yesterday as Dallas. County reported two, hundred, Ninety, eight new coronavirus cases and thirty deaths including one that was profitable. Just one death was reported Monday when there were five, hundred eighty. Eighty one new cases the last time the county saw at least deaths was August fourth with thirty one. The county also saw its single day record number of thirty, six deaths on July. Twenty nine, the youngest victims yesterday were to Dallas men in their thirties. One man did not have underlying health conditions. The other did in other news, a Texas appeals. Court has upheld the murder conviction and fifteen year sentence for Roy Oliver. A former bolts, springs officer who fatally shot. Shot a black teenager in two thousand seventeen. Roy. Oliver was convicted twenty eighteen of murdering. Jordan Edwards the Fifth Court of Appeals. In Dallas, issued its opinion on Oliver's appeal Monday Oliver who is white shot Jordan Edwards, a black fifteen year old who was writing in Chevrolet Impala with two brothers and two friends as the car drove away from him. The Night of April Twenty, ninth two, thousand, seventeen Oliver testified that he thought the car would strike his partner officer Tyler. Tyler gross who had responded with. Oliver to a report of a Noisy House party Oliver, who is now forty years old was found guilty of murder in August twenty eighteen and was sentenced to fifteen years in prison and a ten thousand dollar fine. In his appeal. Oliver's lawyers argued that there were more than a dozen separate issues with his trial including that no reasonable juror could have rejected his defense that he was acting to protect his partner and that the. The court allowed evidence. It should not have the appeals court disagreed about each of these issues in sports despite major blowback from coaches and players. The big ten became the first power conference to cancel its fall football season school presidents voted to shut the season down until at least spring in the face of the COVID nineteen pandemic, the conference made the announcement yesterday according to multiple reports. The big ten was joined quickly by the PAC twelve, the focus now shifts with. With the big twelve, likely holding the season in the balance the and ACC are each believed to be strongly favouring continuing down the path of football season and finally hop on the website for a French restaurant in Dallas, and you'll find wedges of cheese, a souffle kit, a plate of s cargo, Ravioli and a covid nineteen test bt g the to go operation for bullion in downtown. Dallas is getting creative during the pandemic. The reason the restaurant group is selling two. Two hundred, dollar drive-thru cove in nineteen tests is two fold says, Jason, cotton vice president of hospitality for the Libra Group bt Jeez parent company, Gotten said, we're providing something that seems to be abundantly in our area, and then obviously, it'll bring more eyeballs to the marketplace. The marketplace for bt G is an online grocery delivery service that sells French food and wine bt launched July first after cotton and his team agreed that its flagship fine dining restaurant bullying should remain. Remain, closed during the pandemic. But that the company needed to continue to connect with its customers and make some money cove in nineteen tests were officially added to the menu if you will on August. Eleventh. The Dallas. Morning News rewards program is proud to bring you virtual events for more information and upcoming events. Please visit rewards, Dot News Dot Com for more on these stories and for the latest breaking news visit Dallas, news dot com thanks, and enjoy your day.

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"This message comes from NPR sponsor. Comcast business. Business has always been driven by innovators. That's why Comcast business is helping you with technology that provides better experiences. Comcast business beyond fast live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Janine Herbst commercial satellite imagery, shared exclusively with NPR shows activity at a second North Korean site. NPR's? Jeff Bromfield reports it could indicate an upcoming launch the images were taken February twenty-second by the company digital globe. They are of a facility called salmon Dong. It's a factory where North Korea assembles, both long-range missiles and satellite space launch vehicles. Jeffrey Lewis with the Middlebury institute says the images showed trucks and vehicles at the facility and also activity edited nearby rail yard, so when you put that all together, that's really what it looks like when the North Koreans are in the process of building a rocket separate images have also show. 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Who who was bigger than just his numbers. in kind of the way the Willie mays was to there. Was this Aura about him He was He was tough. He was He was somebody who seemed to represent all of the competitive traits. You would want in a top level professional athlete but who was he has a man. Well that's that's really the the central theme of our story. There were two Roy Halladay. There was the holiday there. There was Roy Halladay that was projected to the world. This STOIC workhorse. Who who you know work ethic was the stuff of Legend in baseball circles. And then there was the Roy. Halladay away from the baseball field. And you know much of our story is driven by a candidate and a far reaching interview with Brandy Holiday Roy's widow and she shared with us in detail Roy struggled with pain and addiction. He had two separate stints in inpatient drug treatment and she also shed with us how he struggled with mental health issues. He struggled with depression and anxiety. Attention deficit disorder. And this is something that you know some of those issues trace back to Roy. Childhood is his early struggles as a professional athlete But they continued to to. It's something he continued to battle right up until the time of his death in November of two thousand seventeen so That's really the guts of what the story is about. It's it's the Roy Halladay. We never knew as you put it in the show and again it's imperfect Roy halladay story which premiered Friday night. You say that when he comes when he gets back to the majors in two thousand one after having been down in the minors after kind of a disastrous start to his major league career. Ninety eight ninety nine two thousand. He's he's a different person. A refresh our memory. Who WHO was Roy? Halladay in those first few years has major leaguer. What kind of Pitcher was he well? He caught lightning in a bottle. In his second star he was one eight one out removed from a no hitter in his second. Start as a Toronto Blue Jay but in the year two thousand as you referenced. He had an absolutely disastrous year. His ten point six four. Era over the course of the two thousand season remains the highest era in Major League baseball history for any pitcher with at least fifty. So think about that for a moment. This guy who carved out a hall of fame career from two thousand and two to two thousand eleven. He was amazing. You know he led the major leagues in a wins in a complete games and shutouts but during that two thousand season he was just awful and the Jays. Frankly didn't know what to do with them. I mean the guy was a first round pick So they sent them all the way down to class able and that's where Roy had to reinvent himself from a baseball standpoint. He lowered his arm slot from about he was too over the top and his delivery hitters. Were just teeing off on his fastball in particular because they were picking the ball up out of his hand too easily so he lowered his lot down to about two o'clock and that added some devastating movement to his fastball. It would break away from right handed hitters and go down into the zone and that was really his bread and butter pitch. He had a number of great pitches but but that was his bread and butter. That's what he did from baseball standpoint but from a from a psychological standpoint you know the story has been off retold of how brandy went out one night when Roy was really at an all time low and picked up a copy of Harvey. Dorfman's the mental ABC's pitching and she credits. That book was saving his career and really saving their marriage. I didn't know that I knew Harvey Dorfman. Well he was he was interesting guy who worked with a lot of athletes who are having issues. I met him doing a story. About guys with Steve Blasts Zentrum in how I think he treated mark wohlers among others Fascinating Fascinating Guy No longer with us. We're speaking with John Bar about his new e sixty one hour special imperfect Roy halladay story in one of the things that struck me. Alex Rodriguez is one of the voices in the show and he calls Halliday in the show. Correct me if I'm wrong. John One of the five best starting pitchers in baseball history. If you were going to name an all time all star team Alex Rodriguez. She knows baseball would would put holiday. I mean maybe that's hyperbole. But that's how that's how good he was. I mean in for a full decade. He was I mean he was as Alex puts it. I think these words the epitome of starting pitcher. Yeah look I mean from two thousand to two thousand eleven. He had thirty war complete games than his next closest competitor. Who by the way was Sebastian? I mean that's sort of baseball equivalent. Quivalent of lapping the field. He he was dominant and you know he toiled unfortunately for him In you know I. Guess Relative Obscurity and Tronto you think about the era right out the steady diet of red sox and Yankees batters that he had to face and yet he was still that good and so it was. It was really It was a pivotal moment in his career. And I know the H- certainly his hope and the hope of many who supported his career through the years that when he was traded to Philadelphia in late two thousand nine team. That was coming up back to back world series appearances that he was finally be able to complete that other gaping hole the gaping hole that existed in his resume at that point which was no postseason baseball he never been to the postseason and of course we all know what happened in his very first postseason start. He did something that was just historic. He threw a no hitter. Only the second no hitter ever in postseason history. That's who Roy Halladay was what were the first signs that despite all of this success there is something fundamentally wrong e emotionally with Roy. Yeah Brandy talked very openly about how? Early on during that disastrous. Two thousand season where he just really wondered if he was going to last as a professional baseball player how he started drinking heavily In fact he tronto teammates according to brandy had nicknamed him many bar for his habit of drinking heavily on the road. The team sent him to counseling Impart to try to get his head right. You know Roy never failed. He didn't know what it was like to fill and he needed to learn how to fail so that was part of it but but they also send him to counseling to deal with his drinking and it turned around he he. Actually you know according to Brandy overcompensated the other way. He said he was afraid to even have a drink around anybody with the team for a few years But he also suffered from anxiety brandy talked about how amped up he would get on the nights before he pitched and know. That's not uncommon for pitchers but but it ran deeper than that. There was a real social anxiety that he dealt with as well according to Brandy. He didn't enjoy being in the spotlight. He didn't enjoy the public appearances that come with being a professional athlete. You know here's a guy. The mount is such a lonely place and it's the ultimate in the spotlight job and he wasn't wired in such a way that he relished that part of it and that might be one of the reasons why he was so laser focused. He needed to shut all of that stuff. How and and that's but that's what he dealt with. That's what he dealt with away from the field and then we now know that he sought treatment from psychiatrist in retirement and also was treated for depression and anxiety so he had a number of issues that he dealt with through the years. And you know when you kinda factor that into the mix and realize that. He competed at the level. He competed that for so many years. It's kind of even more impressive when you consider what he was dealing with psychological. How does his career start winding down early in the Second Decade of the Twenty First Century? Yeah so he you know he was dominant. Two thousand ten had an impressive year as well by any measure in two thousand eleven unfortunately never did reach the world series as as he had hoped to after that trade to Philadelphia But that's really where it ended Brandy talked about that Game it was the decisive game against the St Louis Cardinals in the National League Division series in two thousand eleven where. He was out dueled by his good friend and former teammate. With the Blue Jays Chris Carpenter In a one nothing game Roy only gave up one. Run through one hundred. Twenty six pitches that night but carpenter got the better of. He pitched a complete game shutout. It was in that Game Brandy says that he felt his back pop and when he came home at night she says at one point he sneezed and his body lurched forward and he was on all fours and he was in so much pain in his back that he was unable to get up he couldn't he couldn't pick himself up. It turns out Roy was suffering from Pars fractures which are stress fractures. In his back. He proceeded then Jeremy to pitch the final two seasons or at least try to pitch the final two seasons of his career as a Philly in two thousand twelve and two thousand thirteen with a broken. Back you know has back. Injury ultimately led to show shoulder issues. He had shoulder surgery but the two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen seasons are when his body started to fail him and and the drop off was stunning for somebody had been so good for so long to just suddenly look human It was startling to a number of people and what we now know is starting in the spring of two thousand twelve during that spring training. That is when he first according to Brandy. I started taking prescription pain pills to manage pain so he retires twenty thirteen shortly after. Not completing a stint in Rehab His baseball career is over. He's what thirty five thirty six years old lady. Sexy was at that point. He's thirty six years old. Yeah how did he adapt retirement? Not Well not well at all you know he You know again. I can't I think one of the things that will come as a surprise to Philadelphia fans particular is the fact that you know. He did start taking prescription pain pills and did struggle with his abusive. Those pills and I don't say abuse in the sense that he was looking to get high. It's just that his body. According to his wife became chemically dependent on the drugs he was taking these drugs so he could get out there every fifty and pitch and you know the Phillies. We now know were aware of a few few team. Mates approached someone with the team in two thousand thirteen. They had a player. Who Roy respects talked to him about it in two thousand thirteen and then and then as you mentioned. He went to inpatient treatment after the season completed in two thousand thirteen prior to his retirement. Press conference but after he retired according to his wife he was just lost he just he only knew baseball he he you know the natural rhythms of the season that was all he knew he didn't know how to self identify as anything else And he struggled struggled with pain and ultimately that pain lead to depression and And another stint inpatient drug treatment in early two thousand fifteen according to Brandy. He grew up flying planes. His father was a corporate pilot. Speaking John by Imperfect Roy Halladay Story. We know of course that he died piloting his own plane but there are a lot of details in the show that most of us are unaware of He just bought this he just taken. Delivery of this plane was five weeks beforehand. Yeah that's that's correct now. He he also had been lusting after that plane. If you will for two years he He started I think. Is I post about the iconic five. Which is the aircraft we're talking about was dating back to two thousand fifteen and he was able to go through flight training In California where the company is headquartered and in Florida on an icon a five dot two one. Hilton the League purchase. But you know he had more than fifty one hours of flying that plane he'd been training he'd been training on it. He'd been dreaming about this plane. He loved flying. It's a place where he found some kind of serenity but he also been you established in the film reckless dangerous. And and that's that's not even taking into consideration the levels of drugs that were in his system when he was flying certainly on that last day. Yeah that's correct. I mean his father expressed concerns to National Transportation Safety Board Investigators about. Roy's behaviour as a pilot even before he got the iconic five in October. Two thousand seventeen he roy prior to that own to single propeller. Cessnas and his father said you know there were times when Roy would for example fly long distances over water which In his father's estimation and his father by the way is a corporate pilot with some twenty five thousand hours. He taught Roy how to fly So in his estimate action Roy was engaging in behavior that perhaps more experienced pilot wouldn't and he said he cautioned him There's really no margin for error in aviation and after getting the iconic five in October of twenty seventeen Roy kept talking about how sporty it was a two seat light sport amphibious aircraft And his father's concerned was You know that it might tempt Roy to to take chances that he didn't need to take and we now know a number of witnesses and from NTSB investigators that in the days and weeks preceding November. Seventeen twenty seventeen. Roy was flying recklessly some twelve days before the crash that claimed his life we know he flew under the Tampa skyway bridge which only has one hundred eighty feet of clearance over the water. You know it's just not something responsible pilot doesn't it's against FAA regulations. You're just not supposed to do that but but he did John. You also deal with In the show the drugs that were in Roy halladay system. You spoke to four experts about what they think. The degree of impairment might have been while he was flying on that last. Can you tell us What what they said to you sure. Yeah we we reached out to three independent forensic pathologists and then we also spoke with the medical examiner who conducted Roy's autopsy and generated the toxic report. And you know. They differed in in terms of their characterization. A bit By matter of degrees but suffice it to say that all four of those medical professionals are of the opinion that more likely than not how was impaired on the day? He crashed We know that he had in his system Sleeping medication an antidepressant. A muscle relaxer an anti anxiety medication and he also had high levels of amphetamine which more likely than not stem from An attention deficit disorder drug adderall that he was prescribed according to his medical records the so the medical professionals we consulted believe he was impaired We also know from witnesses that he was flying low again over the water over houses that day and in his final the final three minutes of his flight he engaged in three maneuvers. He was at that point over the Gulf of Mexico kind of tracking the shoreline and he did three steep climbs followed by steep dives and on his final ascent he. He got up to a height of price. Approximately five hundred feet and the plane was almost vertical. The plane then turned downward and started hurtling downward toward the golf. I spoke to a fisherman. Jeremy who actually saw the plane impact the water. He said he is certain that he saw the nose. Pull up toward the end that that it appeared as if Roy was trying to pull up but he wasn't able to pull up. He impacted the water at a forty five degree angle with the wings level and in four to five feet of water He died the official cause of death was listed as blunt force trauma and drowning But but yeah it's There's a lot that happened that day and and know Brandy holiday in her interview with US said that he did not appear impaired and in her words. I know what that looks like that. That's that's a quote from Brandy about. How Roy look that morning But again medical professionals Off provided us with a different point of view compelling show and obviously a tragic story John Bar the SPN reporter. The new sixty is imperfect. Roy Halladay story John. Thanks so much joining US thank you. I'm Jeremy Shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN APP. Beginning at six. 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"Cliff Barnes Company has been fueling athletes for almost thirty years with their cliff and Luna bars. And this is super cool even during a time when there are no live sports cliff and Luna continue to support female athletes in fact right now there featuring awesome women on their new limited edition cliff bar packaging including soccer star. Megan repeat no tennis legend. Venus Williams Surfer Lakey Peterson skateboarder Jordan. Barrett Climber Ashim aspera she and Mountain biker. Katharina Nash check out all these awesome new packages for yourself in store or online at Cliff Bar Dot Com. Welcome to the sporting life with Jeremy Shabnam over the next hour former major league pitcher. Chris Carpenter remembers his former teammate. And close friend Roy Halladay. It was one of those guys that When he walked into the room looked at and could definitely tell that to you know his presence was there and it was just an amazing transition and transformation that the sent him up to be just a an unbelievable pitcher for the next decade plus author. John Shea discusses the incredible legacy of one of the greatest baseball players of all time. Willie mays teenager right after his graduation and got assigned to an all white leaf playing in the class. B Interstate League and couldn't stay with. His teammates couldn't eat with his teammates and a lot of the town and told me in a moment that I will never forget. He said I wondered if it was all worth. This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy SCHAAP. Welcome to another dish of sporting life later in the show. We'll be speaking to the CO author of a new memoir by Willie mates. We won't be speaking Willie mays. We'LL BE SPEAKING TO HIS CO author John Shea. About new book. He's written with maize twenty four but before that we're GONNA be talking about another baseball hall of Famer Friday night on E. Sixty on. Espn A new show. Premiered Imperfect Roy halladay story reported by my colleague and friend infrequent guest here on the sporting life. John Barr and John is GonNa join us now to talk about Roy Halladay in the reporting for this extraordinary show John. Thank you for being with us. Happy to be here Jeremy. Thank you John Roy. Halladay was one of those players in baseball history. Who who was bigger than just his numbers. in kind of the way the Willie mays was to there. Was this Aura about him He was He was tough. He was He was somebody who seemed to represent all of the competitive traits. You would want in top level professional athlete but who was he has a man. Well that's that's really the the central theme of our story. There were two Roy Halladay. There was the holiday there. There was a Roy Halladay that was projected to the world. This STOIC workhorse. Who whose work ethic was the stuff of Legend in baseball circles And then there was the Roy. Halladay away from the baseball field. And you know much of our story is driven by a candidate and a far-reaching interview with Brandy Holiday Roy's widow and she shared with us in detail. How Roy struggled with pain and addiction. He had two separate stints in inpatient drug treatment and she also shed with us how we struggle with mental health issues. He struggled with depression and anxiety. Attention deficit disorder And this is something that that you know some of those issues trace back to Roy. Childhood is his early struggles as a professional athlete But they continued to to He. It's something he continued to battle right up until the time of his death in November of two thousand seventeen so That's really the guts of what the story is about. It's it's the Roy Halladay. We never knew as you put it in the show and again it's imperfect Roy Halladay story Which premiered Friday night? You say that when he comes when he gets back to the majors in two thousand one after having been down the miners after kind of a disastrous start to his major league career. Ninety eight ninety nine two thousand. He's he's a different person. Refresh our memory. Who WHO was Roy? Halladay in those first few years as major leaguer. What kind of Pitcher was he well? He caught lightning in a bottle. In second star he was one eight one out removed from a no hitter in his second. Start as a Toronto Blue Jay but in in the year two thousand as you reference. He had an absolutely disastrous year. His ten point six four. Era over the course of the two thousand season remains the highest era in Major League baseball history for any pitcher with at least fifty innings. So think about that for a moment. This is a guy who carved out a hall of fame career from two thousand to two thousand eleven. He was amazing. You know he led the major leagues in wins in Complete Games and shutouts but during that two thousand season he was just awful and the Jays. Frankly didn't know what to do with them. I mean the guy was a first round pick So they sent them all the way down to class able and that's where Roy had to reinvent himself from baseball standpoint. He lowered his arm slot from about he was too over the top and his delivery hitters. Were just teeing off on his fastball particular because they were picking the ball up out of his hand too easily so he lowered his arm slot down to about two o'clock and that added some devastating movement to his fastball. It would break away from right. Handed hitters go down into the zone. And that was really his bread and butter pitch. He had a number of great pitches but but that was his bread and butter. That's what he did from baseball standpoint but from a from a psychological standpoint you know the has been off retold of how brandy went out one night when Roy was really at an all time. Low and pick up a copy of Harvey Dorfman's the mental. Abc's pitching and she credits. That book was saving his career and really saving their marriage. I didn't know that I I knew Harvey Dorfman well. He was He was as interesting guy who worked with a lot of athletes who are having issues. I met him doing a story. About guys with Steve Blast Syndrome and how he treated mark wohlers among others. Fascinating Fascinating Guy. no longer with us. We're speaking with John Bar about his new e sixty one hour special imperfect Roy Halladay story and one of the things that struck me Alex Rodriguez is one of the voices in the show and he calls Halliday in the show. Correct me if I'm wrong. John One of the five best starting pitchers in baseball history. If you were going to name an all time all star team Alex Rodriguez Baseball would would put halladay hyperbole. But that's how that's how good he was. I mean in for full decade. He was I mean he was as Alex puts it. I think these words the epitome of starting pitcher. Look I mean from two thousand to the two thousand eleven. He had thirty more complete games than his next closest competitor. Who by the way was c? C Sabathia I mean that's sort of the baseball equivalent quivalent of lapping the field. He he was dominant and you know he toiled unfortunately for him In you know I. Guess Relative Obscurity in Toronto you think about the era right about the steady diet of Red Sox and Yankees batters that he had to face and yet he was still that good and so it was. It was really It was a pivotal moment in his career. And I know the whole certainly his hope and the hope of many who supported his career through the years that when he was traded to Philadelphia in late two thousand nine a team that was coming up back to back world series appearances that he was finally be able to complete that other gaping hole the gaping hole that existed in his resume. At that point which was no postseason baseball. He'd never been to the postseason. And of course we all know what happened in his. Very first postseason start. He did something that was just historic. He threw a no hitter. Only the second no hitter ever in postseason history. That's who Roy Halladay was. How does his career start winding down early in the Second Decade of the Twenty First Century? Yeah so he he was dominant. Two thousand ten had an impressive year as well by any measure in two thousand eleven Unfortunately never did reach the world series as as he had hoped to after that trade to Philadelphia But that's really where it ended Brandy talked about that Game it was the decisive game against the St Louis Cardinals in the National League Division series in two thousand eleven where. He was out dueled by his good friend and former teammate. With the Blue Jays Chris Carpenter In a in a one nothing game Roy only gave up one run through one hundred twenty six pitches that night but carpenter got the better of mean. He pitched a complete game shutout. It was in that Game Brandy says that he felt his back pop and when he came home at night she says at one point he sneezed and his body lurched forward and he was on all fours and he was in so much pain in his back that he was unable to get up he couldn't he couldn't pick himself up. It turns out Roy was suffering from Pars fractures which are stress fractures. In his back. He proceeded then Jeremy to pitch the final two seasons or at least try to pitch the final two seasons of his career as a Philly in two thousand twelve and two thousand thirteen with a broken. Back you know. His back injury ultimately led to show shoulder issues. He had shoulder surgery But the two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen seasons are when holiday. His body started to fail him and and the drop off was stunning for somebody who had been so good for so long to just suddenly look human It was startling to a number of people and what we now know is starting in the spring of two thousand twelve during that spring training. That is when he first according to Brandy. I started taking prescription pain pills to manage his pain so he retires in two thousand thirteen shortly after not completing a stint in Rehab. His baseball career is over. He's what thirty five thirty six years old sixty was at that point. He's thirty six years old. Yeah how did he adapt to retirement? Not Well not well at all you know he You know again. I can't I think one of the things that will come as a surprise to Philadelphia Fans. That particular is the fact that you know he did start. Taking prescription. Pain pills did struggle with his abusive. Those pills and I don't say abuse in the sense that he was looking to get high. It's just that his body. According to his wife became chemically dependent on the drugs he was taking these drugs so he could get out there every fifty and pitch and you know the phillies. We now know were aware of it. A few a few team mates approached someone with the team in two thousand thirteen. They had a player. Who Roy respects talk to him about it in two thousand thirteen and but then and then as you mentioned. He went to treatment after the season completed in two thousand thirteen but prior to his retirement press conference but after he retired according to his wife he was just lost he just he only knew baseball. He Oh he you know the natural rhythms of the season that was all. He knew he didn't know how to self identify as anything else And he struggled struggled with pain and ultimately that pain lead to depression and and another stint in inpatient drug treatment in early. Two Thousand Fifteen. According to Brandy he grew up flying planes. His father was a corporate pilot speaking to John Bar. Imperfect Roy Halladay story we know of course then he died piloting his own plane but there are a lot of details in the show that most of us are unaware of He. He just bought this. He just taken delivery of this plane. I mean five weeks beforehand. Yeah that's that's correct now. He he also had been lusting after that plane. If you will for two years he He started. I think it's I post about the iconic five which is the aircraft talking about was was dating back to two thousand fifteen and he was able to go through flight training In California where the company is headquartered and in Florida on an icon a five dot the One Hilton purchase. But you know he had more than fifty one hours of flying that plane. He'd been training on it. He'd been training on it. He'd been dreaming about this plane. He loved flying. It's a place where he found some kind of serenity but he had also been you. Establishing the film reckless dangerous. And and and that's that's not even taking into consideration the levels of drugs that were in his system when he was flying certainly on that last day. Yeah that's correct. I mean his father expressed concerns to national tr- transportation and Safety Board Investigators about Roy's behaviour as a pilot even before he got the iconic five in October. Twenty seventeen he roy prior to that own to single propeller. Cessnas and is father. Said you know there were times when Roy would for example fly over long distances over water which in his father's estimation was engaging behavior that perhaps more experienced pilot wouldn't and after getting the iconic five in October of twenty. Seventeen Roy kept talking about how sporty was it. You know it's this two seat light sport amphibious aircraft. His father's concern was that it might tempt Roy to to take chances that he didn't need to take and we now know from a number of witnesses and from NTSB investigators that in the days and weeks preceding November. Seventh Twenty. Seventeen. Roy was flying recklessly some twelve days before the crash that claimed his life we know he flew under the Tampa skyway bridge. You know it's just not something responsible pilot does and it's against FAA regulations. You're just not supposed to do that but he did it compelling show and obviously a tragic story John Bar the ESPN reporter the new E. Sixty is imperfect Roy. Halladay story John. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you earlier in the week. I spoke to Chris. Carpenter the teammate of Roy Holidays for five seasons with the Toronto Blue Jays. His good friend at one time and his fellow. Cy Young Award winner. He shared his thoughts and his memories of his friend. Roy Chris. How did Roy Change when he turned his career round? Back in two thousand one Y- It definitely was an amazing change in him as as a person and as a as a player the went through some struggles early in his career. Is We both did? And then he you know he had that opportunity go down and reinvent himself basically and when he came back you could definitely see that he was a different guy. He had a different presence in the locker of a different presents. To all of us he was one of those guys that When you walk when you walked into the room you know people looked at him and and could definitely tell that to you know his presence was there and it was just an amazing transition and transformation to to set him up to be just an unbelievable pitcher for the next decade. You guys are linked in particular by game. Five of the twenty eleven naturally division series. You were boats spectacular in that game which you're in the cardinals won. It was really Roy Halladay as last Hurrah. He was injured fairly early. The next season never himself again. When you think about that game in particular and competing against your old friend Roy Halladay what comes to mind fun. Never Forget it. It was definitely an experience again as as competitors and as professionals You know where. We sat back in the late nineties. Early two thousands trying to figure out who we were as players who were pitchers and then to be able to develop into to what we did and then it all come together in that last the last game of the game. Five of those. That series was just a wonderful experience for me but you also know that you know facing the best pitcher. The time right then was was dock and you knew that you were going to go in for a battle. And that's what we both enjoyed was Was We enjoyed the pressure? We enjoyed the moment but we also joined the competition and it was a of fun to do. Not just against him but against that team Chris Of course Roy would die. Two and a half years ago plus six years after that game. I know by the time that he died in that plane crash. Youtube were no longer as close as you want spin. And you hadn't been around him as he struggled after his career with painkillers and depression but knowing now what happened to him after his baseball career ended. How have you handled that? How have you processed? What happened to your friend Roy? Yeah you know it definitely is something that has weighs heavy on my heart. I think When we both ended our careers we definitely had our struggles. You know I shared before that with many people that the game teaches you a lot. It teaches you know. Responsibility teaches you on a competed. Teaches you how to navigate people with all the different people that come into their clubhouse teach you out and make sure remind you to stay financially security because he retires at such an early age but they don't teach you is how to deal with You know going from that. Everyday structure that everyday competition And then once it ends you have nothing and you gotta figure out how to reshape your life when you've been doing for the last twenty years. We both struggled. We both had issues Unfortunately that's something that I wish I could take back You know from that time until he passed I was dealing with my own stuff Trying to give my own life together and as we all know so as so as doc and I wish I could have some of that time back and maybe we could have gone through our things together at work together to try to fix it to try to help him and he tried to help me but You know you can't take back what what has happened Just trying to move forward with the love and on who he was what he brought to this world and also hold onto some of the memories that he brought me the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. There are a lot of great players. There are a lot of great athletes in the annals of Sport and American sport in particular but there are only a few. You Really Call Essential. Who means something beyond the game who transcends sports? What are those figures? Undoubtedly is Willie mays. He's now eighty nine years old. His career came to an end almost a half century ago but he still looms so large in our collective consciousness. Willie mays is the CO author of a book. That has just been released co-authored with John Shea longtime baseball writer from the Bay area the book is titled Twenty Four Life Stories and lessons from the say. Hey Kid it is a pleasure to welcome to the show John John. Thank you for being with us. Jeremy Mike Pleasure thank you. I was trying to articulate. Perhaps inelegantly in that Introduction Willie. Mays is is almost Someone who has the power of myth in our society the that there's still This power to the or of Willie. Mays how would you put your finger on it? No you're right. Iconic FIGURE CULTURAL ICON HERO. And not just a baseball hero or sports hero but living lights in. Who's with us today and Thankfully opened his heart and memory banks and great knack for storytelling to to me And we were able to put this book together about not just the man but the career and the exemplary life you know guy who inspired millions but also details who inspired him and that is what. We tried to capture in the book. The story of Willie mays Who's born in Nineteen thirty one? I came up to the major leagues in one thousand nine. Fifty one Did all those spectacular things on a ball field I think he was on the in the on Deck Circle In his first year when Bobby Thomson hit shot heard round the world. Of course the VIC words catch in the fifty four sweep of the Indians. But he's is one of those lives that tells us so much about. America in the twentieth century is well. How do those stories track each other? American Willie mays you're right. This is Teenager who played with the Birmingham Blackburn's in the Negro Leagues and got signed by the giants. Right after his graduation and data assigned to an all white league the Trenton giants playing in the class. B Interstate lead. Not only the only African American on the team but the entire league. This is nineteen fifty three years after Jackie broke the color barrier and Williams. Going into some of these towns here in the same thing. Jackie was hearing and couldn't stay with. His teammates couldn't eat with his teammates in a lot of the towns and told me in a moment that I will never forget he said I wondered if it was all worth it and my God gave me chills because what I mean no Willie mays and baseball. He could have gone back to Birmingham and worked in the mines like his father did. And luckily fortunately for everybody in the on the planet basically he persevered overcame and wouldn't let the biggest win and was rookie of the year and fifty one. Mvp and fifty four and played twenty two seasons and you know arguably the best all around player in the history of the game and like we said lived a life that really wasn't like Mickey Mantle. Who went out at night and caroused and drank heavily and had a certain career because of it and Willie took a different path to speaking with John. Shea about the new book is co-authored With Willie. Mays twenty four life stories and lessons from the say. Hey Kid and this is a book about The people who influenced him as you said the people that he is influenced as well What what did you know especially in the northeast where I'm from although I come from a family of a Brooklyn Heights in dodgers fans. I like to think that if I had been alive at the time I would have been New York giants fan because I grew up in Manhattan and of course they played at the Polo grounds It I'm a contrarian anyway but he's relationship with Leo Durocher. What did that mean to his development as a player and is a man made everything if he had a different manager. Willie got might have got lost. I mean he's a kid he's twenty. I mean Jackie broken in late Twenties Willie just turned twenty in. May Nineteen fifty one when he got called up so yeah. He was expected to play the entire season in. Minneapolis where he was hitting four seventy seven through late day and the fans were loving it it was an integrated team integrated league. It was so much different than year before but we will call them up and said we need you. 'cause we're never seventeen and nineteen when Willie got called up and really just assume would stay there but that you obviously Willie went through. The struggle was he was for twelve or over. Twelve went for twenty five or the only hit off Warren Spahn at the Polo grounds over the roof and less and he was at his locker. Price Leo this too fast for me. Man. And he's telling me this it's like it's unbelievable and Leo said. Listen you're not here to hit your here to do everything you're doing in the outfield. That help our pictures. Help OUR TEAM WIN. And from there he started going office and won rookie of the year. Just a guy who just couldn't take your eyes off of unlike say vons very bonds and these guys. You couldn't take your eye off him at the plate but Willie you couldn't take your eyes off him in the field with the basket catches and he told me I used to make the hard plays look easy in easy place. Look hard. Lille was instrumental as was money. Urban his first roommates with the giants The Negro League legend who's in the hall of fame played many years with the giants as well and could have been Jackie before he was deemed by many in the Negro Leagues to break the Color Barrier. But he went into the military and came back and had some issues and and branch rickey went with Jackie and all was well with the world. But Yeah Leo was somebody that he will eat. Definitely missed when Leo went away because while the dodgers had Walser Austin throughout his whole career the giants tried it out different managers after different managers and no one measured Khalil. We're speaking with John Shea about his new book. Twenty four co written with Willie mays and of course over the course of his career the next couple of decades after coming up in fifty one Willie. Mays would fashion one of the greatest careers in baseball. Six hundred and sixty home runs more. Almost thirty. Three hundred hits More than three hundred stolen bases couple of MVP awards right To fifty home run seasons all of the spectacular things that he did but as as we've said he was he was more than that they're great players whose numbers are not that much different. You know You could try to Jimmie Foxx or something like that. But Willie mays is one of those guys in there. Only few in. It's like Babe Ruth Satchel page. Willie mays I guess you could say Yogi Berra mantle and Dimaggio Who WHO ARE ICONS. Maybe that word. You know that word fits in this case. Why does he represent to so many people? The joy of baseball we have the joy of baseball. You described it to a T. Willie. Mays enjoyed what he did. He brought that youthful exuberance to the field and you see guys celebrating today and they hit a home run and you know they. They celebrate as they do but back then it was like he was celebrating during the play. He has a in the basket. Cats in the capitoline off intentionally just to entertain guys in the crowd so that those people could come back the next day and Willie has a record that will never be broken. Thirteen straight years. One hundred and fifty plus games played and that's went back to the one hundred fifty four game season and into the sixties. So he was in the lineup every day. He didn't WANNA come out. And you talk about the modern analytics. United spoke with James and Tom Tango and robbed Neier. You know all these cutting edge. Analytic folks historians. The writers sell these great minds and they went back to his career. And you're right Willie wanted to NBC's but through the Lens of today's analytics and advanced status. He could have one in my mind listening to all this information between eight and eleven. Mvp's because he was up there every single season we talked about a ten war season being a fabulous season. Well it's been accomplished like nine times since two thousand by hitters onstage of three times trout three times well may averaged a ten were season over seven year stretch. So that's how good he was consistently bill. James said set in the back of the book he says Willie mays best season is every year. Just pick. They're all great when I I as I said. I live in the New York area in when I drive Through riverdale in the Bronx and you pass a certain building in the Bronx where it seems. Everybody knows Willie. Mays I think he might still have an apartment Fifty plus years after the giants Left York. I always think of Willie mays. That's just an example. Say That like he's just always. There were always thinking about him. Even though it's been like a half century since he last played I haven't seen him in person. I think I only did. Maybe that one time the first interleague game in nineteen ninety seven. I think he was in Texas. He was nationally. Captain Nolan Ryan was the American League. Captain it was At the Ballpark in Arlington and he was charming and he was funny. He just did a great press conference but sometimes he had a reputation for being difficult. And and you know a you've been around for a long time. How you how does he respond to the adulation Which which is still there when people bring up the name. Willie mays well everything you see in the last dance by Michael Jordan. That was pretty much. Willy in the fifties and sixties. He couldn't really go out. He'd be mobbed sometimes. His teammates would smuggle him away to back room at a restaurant and he was hounded more than anybody. The giants had the best road attendance in the National League in the sixties. They didn't draw great candlestick like they did at Dodgers Stadium but eight out of ten years in the sixties the giants led the League in Rhode attended and as Pollux told me they had Cepeda. They had mccovey Marshall and all these great players Gaylord Perry but Philippi said every time we went into town. You'd see the paper Willie mays and company and and these are fabulous ballplayers but a loose said. We knew who do the draw. Despite all the talent we had on those teams and they only went to one world series but they had the best record in the league in the sixties and Michele had the most wins. That was a great time for baseball. They finished second every year. But I yeah. Maize maize was a draw and beloved and he wasn't booed at ebbets field. He wasn't booed at Dodger Stadium when he got called into the military in late. May of Nineteen fifty-two for the Korean War. Everyone knew it so his last out late in the game at ebbets field he walked up to a standing ovation and no giants does that except for me John. What's it like as baseball man? Just getting to spend time with Willie mays. That's a creek question Willie came back to the organization in one thousand nine hundred eighty six and I covered started covering the giants in Nineteen. Eighty eight mostly. He was always in the clubhouse. I'm like a Lotta Hall of Famer soon. You know he's got a lifetime contract signed in Nineteen ninety-three by Peter McGowan. But even before that he was a constant in the clubhouse see went away for business and even now throughout this past month in March and spring training. He was in the home clubhouse before every home game every day. And that's just his thing I mean he's he's bombed about this virus because he's sheltering he's eighty nine. He'd love to be at the park but I guess the know Willie and he trusted me. And what a wonderful thing to say by the way and We spoke what fifteen years ago about a possible book project and he said I would like to see this in classrooms and so from there we kinda took an inspirationally themes course and we did the math and spent more than one hundred hours together for this project and I interviewed more than two hundred people for this project. Well and that's a lot of interviews you're right and you know what else every single time. I. You know my day job at the San Francisco Chronicle. If I leave messages I hope the bat five hundred hopefully five of Omori. Well Willy's name and it's for a book about it now. Everybody called me. I interviewed president. Clinton President Bush. There's a whole chapter on Obama Hank Aaron all these legends Thirty Plus Hall of Famers Negro League team mates. I went back to Birmingham and spent a week. Check out his roots and speak with his childhood buddies. An old teammates and that was wonderful so the whole experience. Jeremy was unbelievable and just allowed me to tell history. Maybe that hasn't been told because this book unlike maybe other Maze. Books has nothing from old newspapers and magazines and other books no quotes in other words. If if there was a quote ever said about Willie was off limits to this book. It's all new exclusive of fresh information and same with the photographs. Almost one hundred photographs and Most most of them have never been seen. Even the biggest Willie. Mays Fan won't recognize ninety percents speaking with John. About his new book with Willie mays twenty four life stories and lessons from the say. Hey Kid and as as we were talking about Willie mays about much more than the numbers in the analytics Which was a term that didn't exist is obviously when he was playing at least applied to sports in baseball. But I think I was only in candlestick park once I think it was. I was doing some the back. Greg Maddux happen to be there and it was literally one of those days where you couldn't believe. They played baseball at that. It was so windy. The conditions were so re almost indescribably ridiculous. Will we think the numbers might look like? Not only if it wasn't candlestick park but the Polo grounds was no joy. Reid for right handed hitters. You're right it goes from the Polo grounds which nobody could hit a home. Run to center field for eighty three. Does that better and a couple of years the stadium and then candlestick park the worst place in the world to build a ballpark and right on the San Francisco Bay Always Wendy. And here's maze coming out by the. By the way the first year the fences were way. The heck out there. They had to move him in just to conform with the rest of the leap and during EP as with crush the ball and the wind would knock it down across the ball. The wind would knock it down. You said if you hit a fly ball to left and zero chance that would go out. It had to be a line drive. But he didn't complain about it. He adjusted and learn to go to field and there was a jetstream out. Mountain Right Center. If you get it up in the air oftentimes it would go out. But I look back and he actually hit more home runs at home than on the road during his candlestick years. A lot of people say oh what it hit a lot more home runs but he adjusted made it benefit him. A lot of people complained about this thick but he just adapted to it. I think the bigger question is what would have happened. If he didn't go in the military and again he didn't complain about it. He did his service did his time. But that's two years missed. In his early twenties he came out of the military hit. Ninety two home runs the first two seasons in fifty. Four and fifty five so conservatively. If you say well in those two seasons he might have hit sixty well. We finished with six sixty and sixty. And that's six more than Babe Ruth seven fourteen. So again he never complains about it. I asked them many times John. What's wrong with sixty nine? So yeah you're right. Class does does in New York. Anyway you know people still remember the seventy-three world series when He was no longer himself could no longer do the things he had once done. And it's kind of one of these like standard Stories now when you talk about an athlete hanging on too long you think a Willie mays but but is that world series really representative of who he was by nineteen seventy-three and does it really Influenced the way people think of him as a player later in his career. You're right people will look at that and use the example. Don't be Willie. Mays don't play too long. Get Out of the game before it's too late and all that stuff and I said Okay. Let me look into that. So I looked into that world series talked to a bunch of people on both sides of the ball. Reggie Jackson Rollie fingers by you. Know Vita all the folks Fossey and all the mets teammates as well and I came away from that little different vibe now pictures we remember our willie losing the ball in the sun and Willie on his music. The play arguing with Augie Donatelli. Well the reason he was at the plate arguing there wasn't it because he dropped the ball or struck out. He was arguing for teammate. On a close play the plate that went the as way and the mess that it should have you know because he was on deck and he was the first one to the scene argue with but the ball in the sun. He's he's forty. Three and Reggie Jackson was the center fielder on the as that night that day in Oakland there was that he was center. Reggie registered acting CETERA. Yeah wow but he said. The son was absolutely brutal that day but nobody could have caught and I went back and looked at the entire game and it seems every pop up in every slide ball was an adventure because the sun was just ridiculous it was the it was it was it was in the shadows and some of it was in the spot. Anyway there are no excuses. Willie never made any excuse. But I'm looking back and I say well at talking to people like different it. It's Kinda different when I look back and do the research on this and talk to people at the time. But it's Kinda stereotype you say. Yeah you shouldn't have done that. You said that we came back thinking. Well I'll just finish the seventy two season member and seventy one. He was a three hitter on a giant team that won the division at age forty. He hit eighteen home runs. He's still twenty three. Out of twenty six bases he led the League in walks and on base percentage and the following May Horse Sonum. Trays them to the mass. Because he couldn't afford two hundred sixty five thousand dollars contract. There really was making so. Don't don't pay who had partial ownership at the New York giants now full ownership of the New York. Mets wanted Willie back so they agreed. Finish out the seventy two. So he's well. She kind of talked into one more season and that was really worth because he was on the DL for the first time in his career. It was the knee was the shoulder was the the ribs and he hardly played it all in September and then Yogi bear puts them in to start game one of the world series because rusty solve had a bad shoulder he got hit the loss of the game but anyway to is whatever. It looks at and remembers though that he got the game winning. Hit and the mets won in twelve eighty so Looking a little deeper you see a little different story. That's usually what happens. It's a it's great stuff. It's been great talk you John John Shea. The CO author of the new book with Willie mays twenty four life stories and lessons from the icon. Legend the say. Hey Kid John. Thank you so much for sharing your stories. Jeremy Thank you so much. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for having joined us. I'm Jeremy Chap and this has the sporting life on ESPN radio. Were on every Saturday and every Sunday morning at six eastern time.

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I mean, let me tell you about our bits over here going. Yeah. That's our fresh new jingle. Every time we come up with a good joke krizner all right guys that brought it again. Every time we do a little fresh. You know, we call it Chris. As is supposed to be the solid gold. Travis. By sprint. Key. That's where you taught. Just waiting to let it breathe. Breathe a little bit. You remember Torrey Smith receiver so Torrey Smith is a is a avid hunter he likes to hunt animals animal. Okay. And so it's all Carolina is big bore season going on down there guests, and so he got a couple to took them down a couple of bores. Okay. And he took a huge picture of him in front of the boars, obviously, blood and all the different stuff. So. Yeah. Now he's in little bit hot water down. And it's out Carolina. Why why? Because apparently it's getting a little bit out of control on how the hunting in doing the bore. Yeah. It looked this isn't like endangered animals man run around. Awfully matter of fact, ameet so it's called. Real concern with people like do that winning hundred for light draft and like. Different. Like, these are protected animals. These are you know, like. Underpopulated, but like a wild boar. So what else can we just run around or shoot enlighten? Freighter produces. Have you ever had a four me? No. I don't need. My brother. You talking to me boy come on. He went all the way in or not. I'm not cana- fake Tinto's. The he halfway halfway, you know, you. Yeah. Yeah. A regular thing L pretend to know from Detroit, but he's really from the sip. If you really knew Detroit, you know, half Detroit is the country. Yeah. I've never had bore me. Neither I've had venison. Here we call a deer meat. Get in a restaurant. Out of your house Bambi running down my streets too much to do that. There's a lot of ks meal. Shooting those everywhere. Oh, Bambi ARCHE walk. I could walk literally out of my yard instead on the curb and bam. He's just running down the street. Get your rifle man going. Going for a month. Elmer Fudd Rowzee. Remember? Remember one when we rattlesnake? Yes. Detail, man. All right key. I'm telling you right now believe you. But no, it was delicious tastes tough. No. Sports nation, right? Wasn't asia. We were doing those of the football fantasy football. Sports. Come from Texas. And he was does he hooked? It does is how we do tailgating or whatever for the games on Sunday. And he cooked all the stuff, but it was all crazy alligator too. Gator fried alligator never have. Alley at home with the hot sauce on crystal hostile. Oh, I could just go with Caffey some good nuggets. Average don't have the same gamy you need some gamy up in. Hey, I've never had. Breath alligator and the sort of crispy and you put the hassle. I'll tell you when you eat it. You know, like, oh man this animal caused so much pain and destruction. But now, I'm the one that ended. Hey, look at me. I'm the captain. In. Game food. Bear. No here. Bear bear bear bear. Jim. For this tastes like outside. All day long. Stays good. I mean, you know. So Jay Williams was talking about the national championship game. Of course, Virginia last year was the first team ever to lose to a sixteen seed this year, they go all the way and win the championship. Here's Jay Williams. It was the fastest in which they want it. It was the Purdue game going through adversity. It was the Auburn game going to versity. And then was this game going to versity? This is one of the best stories. I think there ever is in college basketball that seems like a stretch. Progressive stretch good. Ryan you said it was one of. So the one that makes it. Gives was seventy. And million of them. So it's one, but you think about the fab five you think about those university teams, you think about the Chris. But but you remember the run to the final. We remember Virginia. Exact. Nobody over. Jeez. Team on twenty years from now, I think I'll remember Butler losing do. Yeah. On that half court ordered Hayward's rim from half way more. Remember anyone you'll remember those Vegas teams? You'll remember poppy hurling Christian leader, you'll remember those team members in two weeks. If I said who did they beat? I don't know. Do do. We remember UCLA tie said. Yeah. I mean there were plenty of moments. You might remember the controversial call. You might remember remember that call no more. And it was just the other day. It's just like it's not the now it's always not that big of a deal had Duke been in the situation in that was against Duke or something like that. We you remember because people would continue if he's the one shooting it. I think we're remember it. Yes. Guys. I think in large part, we were I was asking a mean to great NBA scout any of those players headed for the NBA. And he was like, I don't know. I mean, that's part of it too. Is that you look you really anybody on that floor. You looking at two teams that are really being defined by guys who were probably this is probably it for them. We did this fish is it. We did this bit before. But like if you look at the roster for Virginia. It literally sounds like a bunch of do say regular try to make up the name fake name. What's your name guy? What's your name looks at a salt, shaker salt? What's your what's your name sees a blackout in ta Drome? Every single name on that on telling you, I'm gonna go through this. There's a guy whose name is Cody statman sat man man coated stat, man. We might actually remember Arbor more because Charles Barkley, and what these he might have said because we may have remembered them remembering it because of Charles Barkley. You're not remember because anybody that was on auburn's team. You're remembering Charles happened standing there watching it? Argue that part of the reason why we remember isn't simply the game that was played with the personalities attach those gains. You hated do. So that was one of the reasons that influence remember because I felt about them person from for sure. But at least we hated we knew who they were new Bobby Bobby Hurley. Leitner hated him the fab five you you knew Chris Webber, Jimmy John Howard, and Jalen you knew all of these guys. And whereas these guys come into the final four go ahead and tell me tell me one. Tell me one man junior is perfectly you like. Oh, you're right. We remember those teams because the personality of the testament, but China's point is at least those teams had the personnel them. Not some do play one hundred person on new RBIs boost Pru. Right. And that's because he's been the coach. National championship game last night. Tell me a player what's his name? Right. There's nothing. Thinking about was show swoops like already made that council mind when I think Texas Tech homes. Yeah. Yeah. And. And. At the gang kills me with. Kills show. Slamming a few beers. By the way, some other some other names on that that Roz. No, I don't care. Raj would not answering the door right now. Nobody's home h. Oh, you know, what that gives me thinking of anyway. Now if you act, right? I mean, you get the play. So can you guys name me the last ten schools that have won the NCAA championship? Right. Very eager to play. What you name me a school Virginia? All right immed-. Your name me a team that has won in the NCAA Duke, Duke. That's always good answer. If you go go she last Sunday was thousand fifteen beat Wisconsin, LTD grand, demand, Baylor Baylor. I'm talking men's you didn't specify. From now on men's. Go ahead. Keep shot Kentucky. That's usually get answer. Let's see that's one of the two thousand twelve counts. John culture, looking at pieces of paper. Go wrong. That's. Four one of the Carolina schools to win in two thousand seventeen ROY Williams, North Carolina beat Gonzaga. So that's answer. Mean would you like to take on the Wildcats Villanova? He went. Right. They did. Let's see here. And just just just a man now just the men here if I said Notre Dame that probably wrong, you wouldn't be right. All right. All right. So I would say it's not your turn idiots. He just went not notice. My turns. All right last ten years. So I'm gonna go Santa's. Ignorance can be. Years and years ago was overtime games against Memphis. They wanted overtime bam on in years. I said ten teams. Yeah. Okay. Santiz? Teas. Mike off turn Connecticut uconn is two thousand fourteen Travis you're still there. Michigan state. You win. Just wait. Let's see two thousand that's a long time. So you're out. I mean, we're looking for teams that have won ten teams that have won the last ten in the men's NCWA champion, keep in mind, we have some repeats. What was the team that? Can that means can I say Villanova again? I'm trying to remember the team that beat Trey Burke in Michigan in in the final hour on a say, I'm on you. Them. Okay. Give you the timer. Five. Three two one that doesn't cause an anthro Z. Would you like to steal Florida or? Or? In the last ten because of the repeat repeats hang on one to they get on on the list counts. Schanken name me a team. We know our college basketball, folks, if you're listening. Louisville. Very good gave him. The hint Travis. Are you still in it? No, I'm out. Okay. So it's just up to she can state, right? We're out y'all you out. This ten. Ten we listen Keyshawn. You. We'll let you win one. The kids listening at home. Just no you don't have to be good, Matt radio producer. Did you guys say North Carolina? I said that and you said. Kansas. You did them. All. Yup. Right after you've lung in math right now. And your parents you'll never get hired like that. There's rows. Donuts store me or Bank. Forty years forty years, which was you the Bank, okay? Give an answer other than Bank. No, no, no. Masses. Just was a story recently about a young gentleman who spent some time in prison for robbing a doughnuts. Doughnuts. Four bakery, specifically doughnuts. His name. Chris. Oh, the dodgers lose in Saint Louis last night L Z's responsible again. Plus, we're gonna nounce our winner for our face off challenge. The Gulf challenge myself and Ireland that's coming up next hunting wild boar. Happy birthday angrily. No Elsie that is the masters music and the masters starts on masters tournaments because you'd be looking at me and said it was Ingley and it's not it's a master's tournament which starts Thursday and something else starts Thursday as well. Kuroda premier spring. Shootout nineteen Ireland versus Travis Travis. It is that time we pick the litter. Nice. Gal gallon Jason joins us now. Good morning. Jason J B marring this. Hey, what's up? I'm pretty pumped up. I'm thinking as much as Ireland works that we should smoke. Yeah. I'm ready to t- off. Smoke ireland. So John's been on the road, but John plays quite a bit. So we have a little individual thing with me in Ireland. But we also have a team event J. Are you ready for this? You ready to carry team Travis a little bit? I'm ready to give it a shot for, sir. Go. Go. Chaser industry Hills Golf Club. I'm wearing my caddie bib. Travis run all day. Did you see it? Are you gonna have a shirt on underneath to this time? Spaghetti stains on it? Thanks, janice. Can you come get Travis? Travis Mathews gear. Oh, yes. These are giving us a lot of great gear. We have our own team, hats and everything. So thanks to Chris. Peterson over there at Travis. Matthew for making that possible, we've got uniforms for this whole thing. Like, I've got a Travis Matthew uniform that Genesis bring it in here right now. And it's good work. I know that neither one of you guys are huge golfers but Travis Matthew GARRETT'S like the best Gulf gear. That's going right now. So I'm pretty excited about no. I got a few Travis moles. Yes. Yeah. So I got a cap I gotta pull over I got pants, which by the way had to give my pant size, which I wasn't terribly thrilled to give out. But better better now than it would have been a few the number. Five. Five thirty to forty your business business. Thank you, Janice. This all looks great and up with the. Well, it's the headset. More than the hair. I don't have a lot of here. Well, the dodgers certainly pay off the tees a little bit of a head scratcher. The dodgers win streak snapped at five Joe Kelley does it again. Hey, L guy. Screw things up and Dylan Floro retired seven batters face throwing two and one third scoreless innings scholar. Alexander came on a perfect fifth inning at which point the dodgers held at three to two lead. Go ahead lead with Corey singer Koi. Singer corey. Siqueira go hit a single for RBI singer single single in RBI single by Joe Kelley tied it up, but the Saint Louis Saint Louis took the ahead run on a while pitch from Kelli. Kelli gave up the hit and they'd kill the wild pitch. And it was gave a his Kelly did not pitch. Well, again, Joe Kelley has struggled and Joe Kelley has been the weak part of the dodger bullpen so far this year in three in. Yes. Elsie the dodgers are eight and three you can try to put the three losses on Kelly. No, the three laws are Kelly's knowing. He only got two of them are Kelly's he's Oregon this morning. It didn't make a lot of sense. Just then. But you know, what does make sense we Roy's Donut shop bringing us keys organ this morning. They got plenty of gay glaze. Dan. Plays for your. Fame. Nineteen. These days. Name on thing. Yes. It's twenty nineteen space. We're okay with the gays now, Chrissy. Okay. See I gazed her. We always does ask questions. The road, Oregon leader. Organ. Oregon. They're going to be fine. Joe Kelley will be fine. He's thrown six Leroy's Donut. Shop because we we know. Did you ever watch fame? Travis. Yeah. I think so remember, LeRoy, I don't remember any of the characters. Remember the show? Leroy was one of the Dan black dancers only. He was the heterosexual that were super tights tights on. No matter what class. He was saying no matter what. Class size. But really as. Yeah. Really early eighties. No matter what class it was his name. His name was. Debbie Allen was in a movie before the TV before. Degreen that that really wasn't okay to have nice character ROY on TV yet. Right. We had to wait. A we had when he was really trying to get care. I was young. And I knew what Lee. It wasn't like other guys. Like just off of just seeing is on hundred ten degrees. His. Yes. This is been a mess. Oh, so so Kelly are big free agent signing the guy we could not here. I think you might be overstating big free agents. He got the most money didn't. Yeah. But this is not a breaking into sportscenter. No. But he's the one that when all seasons all said and done we gave them the most money too. So it is what it is. Personally. I've been trying to kick the data's kaikal tire to see what's up with that kimbrel. Still out there too. I mean, I'm just saying. Those names out there, and they didn't you know, whatever what why such a lack of sign is at the money. I don't know. There were talking about it on Sunday night baseball the other night when the dodgers playing the Rockies. And it's I mean, I don't know what he's asking for. And I don't know what's being offered. But the clearly the gap between those two things is significant for both guy because these are not journeymen guys. These are both guys that are difference makers in your team and they're both available. Now, the good news for the dodgers. Even though hundred RIA went down less than pitching in change last night. He had a groin injury Kershaw is on his way back Richhill. Hopefully is on his way back. The dodgers have all sorts of depth in their pitching staff. But losing review. I mean, we can talk about Kellyanne how he's pitching poorly. Any is. I think he's three to seize. He's no he's not he's wanting to. That's the official stance. Just. Officials said the dodger eight and three you have you know, the truth travel who had the l z one loss record in the L Z individual won loss record as well. But I don't even give him those losses. Anyway, I'm never do that pitched six innings pitched thirty innings and his still on fire like this in the bat ways, burn in the mound down. Then we've got a problem. It's six innings. He's a good pitcher. He'll figure it out. Okay. All right. That's what it what the charges. He's kicker. He'll figure it out. And they can't losing games because of the kicker. Yeah. Dell I'm not worried about I'm not saying that you put him in kenley Janssen's role in you roll it. I'm saying that six innings into the season. It's not the end of the world. Magic johnson. I have a conversation with them about like the way, Luke. Hey, what's going on over here at work out, though that really didn't? I'm not really that really didn't work out. I think it worked up a little bit. Because as soon thereafter, they got hot. And then Christmas the wheels fell off because in and they're done after tonight. Unfortunately. Are happy birthday, Hugh, Hefner. He would be ninety three years old. If he was with us today. They have some breaking news. We just have to look it up. It's on TV UCLA hires Mick Cronin as their new head coach. He's the head coach at the university of Cincinnati or was the head coach at the university of Cincinnati. He was at Murray state from three to six Cincinnati since six has a sixty eight winning percentage is a head coach was the AC not the ACC the coach of the year in two thousand fourteen it's been to the tournament eleven times and look at his face. Can't get my Bank. Get me to sign. Hear what you're saying. That's not going to give me the sign is that not look exactly like the guy that you knew UCLA would hire was just looking. No, no. I thought that they would hire more of a I don't know. Cool looking do. CLA? They had a cool looking dude at UCLA. Alfred Seve land a me Steve. Laven Alpher was a cool looking dude. I mean, he wasn't all like dislike that young man. You're going to have a great education UCLA basketball fourth. Stephen a Smith says that Kyrie is going to give the Lakers a meeting you'll hear that next. On his show yesterday said that the dodgers the dodgers. The Lakers are meeting with two. Not not yesterday. The Lakers are gonna get a meeting with Tyree. Not that he's coming here. But did at least he's going to sit down and have a conversation with. And this goes all the way back to very early in the Celtics season when member kyri kind of floated that, hey, listen, I reached out to LeBron and apologized for being kind hard headed back when we were little time ago. Yeah. Setting it up for this. But even before that when he started talking about he apologize in the he, you know, grasses and green on the other side. I was once a young guy. He started setting up to get to the next stage, which is meal the bra talk to the next stage, which we're going to be planning the Brown real. We got whole we're going to hug and in talk to each other four pound. And so then you go get to the point where Stephen A is right now where he's going to visit the Lakers. I saw it coming to mile away. I can see coming Venus. Interesting about. To me is that he may have you may have seen what he was trying to set up earlier. But I would say that this conversation was starting way back when when they went to the ESE Al got to gain some against the bron- and didn't need him the entire way. I would argue the conversation started then whether he wanted to or not because Danny aines was probably thinking do I really need to sign that when I did so much them. Maybe if I v him for something else Anthony Davis, which is always in play so trust. Kyrie's not stupid. He can read the tea leaves. And when you compare the fact that there's such a team without him. What are the rise by twelve and two without him or something like that somebody into thirteen and two thousand that's weird the season. Those types of good without him. But. What you're not going to be witty. But his compound by the fact, though that they got to gain seven eastern covers fine without them. So you compared those two seasons stats not just a stat is a trend is becomes a fact, and he's probably fit in a certain kind of way either either. Also, he's projecting feelings or he's sensitive in the real. But you also got their in game seven against the team was LeBron bunch of. Nobody's I mean that's got through Philly. They got through forget who the other team. They beat to get to the Milwaukee, you got affiliate team that was young and inexperienced just like you. You got you got through prestigious coach. Yeah. He's coast. But I mean, they were mad about Jason Tatum. Who's in pain and Tatum ball out and he out any ball out? But you start to look at those type of teams, and you able to say, well, they don't really need him. No, they can they they can using. But there's other options. Then you might look the say, okay. Let's take a look at an option because they didn't go out to acquire him from Cleveland if they didn't think they needed. That's true there. There's a whole there's a million different layers to this entire thing. Steven mentioned this on his show yesterday. He's. How are you? What? Good morning. The Hornets sadness, Stephen Smith, you doing on going on big time on nothing much trying to figure out kyri making his way to LA just to meet actually sign on the dotted line when the time comes well. I say I say on the dotted line told the other day like gang that. He definitely will grant the Los Angeles Lakers. Visit that's what they believe. I didn't hear this from kyri. I heard from the Laker side. They are certainly an -ticipant that he will grant them visit this summer. So you know, that says a lot to be from stamp point that if they believe he's going to grant them visit obviously people like Chris Paul and LeBron James would have something to do with that. They would know something about that. And if that's the case that need that there's been some communication, which goes a long way considering how Tyree departed from Cleveland. So when you look at it from that perspective, you know, that that that that definitely means that LeBron James is in the mix in terms of playing the role in recruiting players to come to LA which. Exactly what he needs to. But when you Stephen it when you talk about the bra recruited players coming to LA now. Kyrie Irving, obviously is one that will be available. But you go have other guys available at are probably a couple of notches above kyri Kawai, Leonard, you know, maybe Klay Thompson, do you look at it and say, okay, you can take one of those guys is KAI guy. Well, I think if he's going to be the guy is going to be the Falke shop because his problem Kawai Linnet, I'm here to tell you the clip is really really believe they got a shot at getting it. They think that it comes down to him standing Toronto him coming to them. You've got in David's he's under contract with the pelicans who don't intend to do business with the Los Angeles Lakers as currently as currently is the case if things change into lie, so be it. But as of the last couple of months moving forward, we've all been told to the NBA community. There's no way in hell that the public is going to do business with the Los Angeles Lakers. Mccain's to trading Anthony Davis. To the Los Angeles Lakers, which is one of the reasons why magic came out and spoke is vehemently as he did about how negotiations when that that particular moments before the trading deadline, then you have Klay Thompson Klay. Thompson is in LA. I'm sorry in the is in the bay area. We see him repeatedly walking around with his head down because he's frustrated that the often doesn't necessarily involve him usually third option. Whatever the case may be you find him the basketball he delivered. But the reality is that is number could be called more. He's not an active participant within the offense. So sometimes you sit there wondering that whether or not they would lose it. The problem is the Golden State Warriors for what my sources told me have Pacific. We've been told even by the greats like Pat Riley, the number one priority should be keeping the splash brothers intact under no circumstances. Do you lose that pant them you? Keep the splash brothers intact. So. You hearing now that keeping Klay Thompson as more a priority than keeping. Kevin durant? If Kevin Durant lease chances are think about coming to LA. It's more New York because he doesn't wanna help Macron win more titles. He wants to clips LeBron. And he doesn't want to be in a situation where he's under study. Or he's the second fiddle. Do you know he wants to go to a place where he can claim it as his own? And so when you look at all of those things that cleaves way for car to come to LA if indeed that's what he wants to do. I just don't necessarily see that. But you never know this doesn't California, and there are New Yorkers and people from that area that I know that have become somewhat addicted to southern California. The reason why Madge is looking for a number two is twofold, obviously, you want to try win ship with the bronze Jane's, but the other thing too is that you want someone you can build around post. Lebron James given his injury history. Do you believe they wise? Financial investment? I don't have a problem with the financial investment. 'cause you gotta spend the money on somebody else. So that's not an issue for the issue for me that if that if that is your only game plan life, for example, you know, getting Kyrie as a free agent doesn't stop you from trading for Anthony days. It may not stop you from positioning yourself to get him down the line. Just not this summer. If kyri is the loan plan, and you don't have anything else. Then I have a problem with it. But if he's a part of the plan, I certainly don't have an issue whatsoever. Because big Stephen, thanks. Much like, I think. Yeah. I it's it's. I think you ask the most important question. Kyrie's great player. Kyrie is a guy that is a high high level NBA player when he's right. But he's not right. We're talking about real minute ago. He falls into that same category. When he's there. He's awesome. But he's not there a lot. So is that the right guy to build on moving forward. And that is what is coming up next kyri is he that guy coming up? Is this a song or is he just explaining what's going on? Started teaching stuff. So what you think went to whole foods got products. True. Doctor's appointment at two thirty. Target. I ran out to as zero. Don't forget to put the cans out. It's Thursday year. The funniest thing you've ever done draftee. I got skills, and then many lays it on you, and you like going, okay. And they should have started with this. No, the build up that was the best part. Exactly about the end. You always want to skip. Right. United good part. Do you one of those marvel movie watchers that Jim Ryan advantage and go now who's the guy with the hammer? Right. No. He he was the one where everybody dies. I just watched that with the kids. You can't parachute into every all it's great. It's great. I'm like kind of cool. I mean, there's people fighting and cool gadget since I don't know. Like, why is that guy have a hammer is that gonna have a shield why upset with him? So you have to do to build ups. He understand the me about he had to tell you about his day. I did like guardians of the galaxy. He would what do you mean out of all the movies? Yeah. I like Chris Pratt like Zoe Saldana or doesn't like. Even green. She's been through some colors. She has another car to pass greens greens work DreamWorks green. Green looks good on her. So kyri we're talking about the Lakers can get meeting this summer, morbidly, good rumba, ho foods. So look all the guys that we've talked about. Kevin durant? Klay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Leonard. Who else am I forgetting probably one or two others kyri seems to be the guy that the Lakers have the best chance of getting all those other guys have options. A or b that seem more logical than than the Lakers kyri might be the exception to this because of his relationship with Braun because they've made peace on whatever unpleasantness they might have had between each other. It seems like it's not a big deal anymore. The we know they fit well together. I mean, they went to the final three times in a row together. They beat Golden State together. We it's great as LeBron wasn't that series where he led and everything career at the shot that won the game. He you know, he hit that shot. He hit me. He definitely hit the big yet for sure. My question is his health and his age going forward when the bronze done only reason why you hear me pause is because there's an argument to you made that because of the deficiencies in defense from Kyrie which is not thing I made up the stats of their obviously you see the results with with Boston with without him turns of deficiency and etcetera there are moments in which because of defense he puts us in situations in which you need his offensive heroics. And so as they consider who they're going to anoint as the successor to the brand Jane's what you can't do is have someone who needs so much help covering an aspect of the game in order for the one that they sell into shine. And I know that's Trixie in. No. That sounds like. I'm splitting hairs, but Houston would not be successful. If they didn't have Clint Capello or someone who's. To shore up all the defensive efficiency of their star players. And so when you think about a kyri yet you want that, but you have to also sign that with some thoughts in mind in terms of okay now, we still need a lot of beef. It's because he's going to give up a lot to whereas the other two way players like Jimmy Butler like a Paul George. You're not thinking that you're not signing if Jimmy Butler say is like, you know, going after you're not looking at Jimmy Butler going now we need to make up for his defense though. Because you know, he's got that too. When it comes to kyri Kemba Walker. Another one though, these are guys who you know, they're gonna give it your buckets. But because they're also going to give a buck us. You gotta have a plan to cover up for those those huge deficiencies, and that's the only reason I hesitate a little bit for the reason you're saying is also an Amine mention this to I don't think it's so much about who who's the name that they get who's the guy. There's going to be a guy. I think I hope that we're talking about Joe Kelley minute ago that they break into whatever programming there is on sportscenter to say the Lakers just signed blank, whoever. Whether it's or some of their top tier guy that that's going to be great. That's going to be nice. It's the stuff that just grows on the bottom of the ticker. I think is going to be much more important to their success. The guys that are going to be the other stuff not the stars. Not the guys they're going to be on the media guide cover the guys that are going to play twenty twenty five minutes and night play defense. Like, you're talking about rebound do all that kind of stuff. I like your phrase where he said, you know, guys, they're going to be walking back to the bench. After a timeout. Not saying, hey, I was open guys are just going to go back there and sit down and get ready for the play to start again. Yeah. Those are the guys that I think you're gonna have a lot more to do. Because if they get a second guy and Brandon Ingram still here on Lonzo still here in cow who's still here. You've got enough horsepower to do what you need to do for the most part, but you're going to need some glue guys you're gonna. Need some just some dudes that do all that stuff that we're talking about that? We don't talk about Andre Igwe dollars. If you really someone who sacrificed, right? That's the one who they thought it was gonna cut the clippers when they made the tray with Chris Paul and all that stuff. They are going to cut them get them into camp and go, wait a minute. You can do a little something hundred dollars sacrifice so much of his offense to be that defensive glue guy and pay it off with him winning finals. MVP gotta be at a fine those guys because if you if you get a kyri, you're going to need a Tristan Thompson, if you get a Tyree or a Kemba Walker even a need one of those glue guys who's willing to sacrifice their bodies sacrifice offense, be water occasionally, but not walked back to the bench and go yo I was on the wing free looked for me next. Fewer of those. All right. The pit of the day next. Happy birthday. Kristen stewart. Unit is. Did you watch those movies now? We're just talking about. It's not my era. That's my John rea- is not that fantasy vampire eerie thing. I like vampires. I just don't want him all sexy. He don't like pretty vampire them. I love that. I love and rice books and everything, but the twilight was it was like teeny Bopper gritty. Rip my throat out. If you go and drink my blood on it, right out vampires. Yeah. Which those vampires and blade. Yeah. Like, don't eat me. Don't be all like, Kristen Stewart and the other one's with. It's like. Nice thing. Brackets. So fierce four of south. Roger sound drives today who the number one overall soy healthy. He took down the twelve day. My brother. Mavra fifty nine percent to forty one percent. Then lot Shoda the eight seat went up against the fourteen Sita means said and lot Shona white. Sixty six percent to thirty four percent, which means tomorrow. Oh, the big championship. We go ahead and head to head Z trauma. Can't give me chance. It seems unfair Shuki now. The eighty five team they're going to shoot eighty percent. I don't know we come for these throat. We're gonna tear it out likes it. So tomorrow every hour agent potently will be available on the Twitter's ESPN Masa. Those will start at six AM to see what is the number one sound drop on the morning show. Janice. Takeout, janice. Please. You know, I noticed that new get a little crazier when key leaves? Yeah. The gummy is kicking. Yeah. Just or wearing off. Yeah. Maybe that maybe. Playing more to those guys or Janice. So you say something she her polka first awful through just collapses in Melton. Just did I get Jannes and she's bright red. And it's like, I guess I didn't really ask that question. But you're not really asking. No. You're doing your deal. I'm doing, you know, trying to minutes aiming I wish I liked college basketball, still I feel kind of weird that I just didn't watch it. I'm sure it was I'm not it's not would be get your heads up contain. I forgot it was on. Even toed. Yeah. Ten o'clock in the morning. Game came on what I don't know six Chelsea was to new I went to lucky ball. So watch that at that has the same impact on my life is what Russia said, oh, soccer and college basketball. Did they win? We did to new. That's right. That's right. I forgot nil zero. It's time for the bit of the day of the day that bit at the day. The bit of the day is driven by foreign Burg, Los Angeles on the sunset strip. What's the difference? There isn't one tight onesies children. No, they're not for children. Yeah. Not if they make a dull sizes and laze they'll size diverse. Exactly. That's not just what dressed up like a tiger wherever you are. All right. Let's go. Let's go back to your second. All right. Hold on. In the middle of the day middle of the week not on the weekend doing holiday time. He was thirsty Thursdays. It wasn't even Allah. We know like Wednesday to this is what we do. Yeah. We row as highly sensitive equipment over there. Criminal tackle stuff down just to show me a picture that I don't even want. See you don't. I went to one party last year. Stick to sport. Let sin sports it's just the camera because the camera now not even looking at so hold on tricky camera. So you look at sports think they don't wear cats. They're all wearing catsuits what he thought. Serena. Where's the cats? Cats lesser. That's well, I mean. So let's talk about Kyrie Irving. A means the action is exactly the same reaction that I have when I see those pictures, which is kind of just sad resume looks real freaky tales of furry. I have like five different ones. I guess. The question is even more accurate you'll furry. The day. Bit of the bits, man. It's all good. Hornberger loss Angeles on the sunset strip brings you a bit of the day every morning to rep visit horned burglars, Angeles dot com and Rover above and beyond. So I'm going to wear one tomorrow be my guest. All right. Do it like that. You asked me with complete sincerity. You really don't have any these. I thought it was like, you know, how long have we known each other? Now, apparently not long enough. I mean, no, you're wanting collection. Listen, the Caspian Los Angeles got a great day.

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S4: Roaring 20s: The Lava Lake Murders Pt. 1

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S4: Roaring 20s: The Lava Lake Murders Pt. 1

"If you're fascinated by these episodes on the unsolved lava lake murders. Be sure to check out. The curious cases explored in a riveting podcast unsolved burners kitsch new episodes every Tuesday follow unsolved murders. Free on spotify. There we were ever you listen to podcasts. Due to the graphic nature of this case listener discretion is advised. This episode includes dramatization and discussions of murder and sexual assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen on April thirteenth. Nineteen twenty. Four snow blanketed the grounds of Oregon's deschutes national forest. Oh and Morris and Hervey Innis braved the weather to journey to a remote cabin in the woods hoping to find their friends saw. And what's that awful smell. o Whatever's in this pot is awful. Moldy has been here for weeks. I don't think Ed Wood Stanford notice your brother Messy type. Dewey's clean enough and if he wasn't Roy would make him clean that marine. Trainings drill. Pretty deep do you think trapping. No look these their boots and their rifles Hervey. They wouldn't dare go out in the snow without without them. What was that the closet? Open it harvey. Why me fine? I'll do it it easy. Oh and it's just a cat court things skin and bones. Wherever I met are been gone awhile three months? How do you reckon that the calendar? It's still said on January Harvey. Where's they've been for the last three months? This is own solved murders I true crime stories. Apar- cast original. I'm your host Carter. Roy and I'm your host Wendy Mackenzie every Tuesday. We dive into the world of a real unsolved unsolved murder and try to solve the case new confined episodes of unsolved murders and all other podcast originals. For Free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream unsolved murders for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type unsolved murders in the search bar park cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoyed today's as episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. This is our first episode on Oregon's infamous lava lake murders. Where three see for trappers were killed under mysterious circumstances in nineteen twenty four? This week will learn about the victims lives the fateful trip that would end in their disappearance and the rescue effort that led to a horrifying discovery. Next week we'll cover the investigation into their murderers and the possible motives and suspects in the early twentieth century. Entry Bend Oregon was a minor trade hub for ranchers and farmers in nineteen o five. The town only had five hundred listed residents but in nineteen eighteen eleven all that changed the Oregon Railroad completed construction of a stop in bend allowing both people and goods to travel apple through. Well this attracted the Brooks scanlon. Lumber company which opened sawmills in one thousand nine hundred sixteen buildings sprang up to accommodate ends expanded Economy Konami and by nineteen twenty. The population exploded to five thousand. Resonance big things were happening and people flocked to Oregon for new opportunities. These three bend residents. Edward Nichols Roy. Wilson and Dewi Morris all worked at Brooks scanlon lumber company at some point before for their untimely deaths Edward Nichols was born in Ohio on June twelfth eighteen seventy. He grew up on a farm as the oldest of eight children in eighteen. Ninety five at twenty five years old he married a Canadian woman named Liza and young. They had two daughters. Annabelle eighteen ninety six and Janetta in one thousand nine hundred four. During that time the Nichols family lived in Michigan and Montana where Edward worked as a blacksmith by nineteen ten. Edward moved his family to deming Washington where he worked as an engineer. For a logging company. It was in deming that the Nichols family became became friendly with another couple a man named Dan McClellan and his wife Margaret Loyola Wilson. Leila's brother was Roy Wilson and who would have been twenty two nineteen ten. We don't know the circumstances of their meeting but it's likely Edward. Roy Met thanks to Leo Ella and started a long long lasting friendship. While this friendship began another relationship in Edwards life ended by nineteen thirteen around the time Edward Moved Oregon and he and Liza got a divorce. We don't know why although some speculate that Liza was not a fan of Oregon she returned to Washington to marry Rian older man and her daughters went with her by nineteen. Twenty Edward was fifty and living in bend. The census records his profession as general general laborer though his brother Guilford also lived in bend. Edward probably lead a lonely existence living in a room at the Bartlett Hotel. How can I help you room for one? Please check out date Get back to you on that. Starting over couldn't have been easy. Luckily he founded new opportunity. Thanks to another Edward Edward Logan was around. Edward Nichols Age though primarily a logging contractor contractor. Logan was also a successful for trapper on the side. I trade was incredibly. Active in nineteen twenties. Oregon professionals is in amateurs alike with journey into the woods to set trap. Lines a series of gadgets designed to catch animals like foxes Martin and mink. It was an arduous. Did you is job especially in winter but when sold the furs yielded a prophet that more than made up for the grisly task. It was a market that everyone everyone wanted in on as a railroad contractor the entrepreneurial Logan couldn't spend months away from his job in Ben Check and trap lines so in Nineteen nineteen twenty two he brought Nichols in on his business. Nichols how much do you know about trapping. Well I've done a little but I I hear your the master salesman they say your wife's got the fanciest version town Catherine certainly happy and warm. But I do well because I've got a system whole thing works better with a partner. Go on. I got this little cabin up by the lava lakes perfect place to raise Martin and silver foxes. Stay up there for a few months. Set the traps feed the animals. And I'll cut you in the prophets when we sell the first Sounds a little lonely. Then bring a friend red you to contract for yourself on the side. And if you WANNA bruce a moonshine up there will prohibition be damned what he say. You're darn a good salesman. But haven't you had bad luck with partners before shore Rob Lowe and got snow blindness and to quit and yes safest got couldn't stay. Hey on account of accidentally shooting himself Logan. This job sounds cursed relaxed Nichols. You'll be fine. I think I will bring a friend. Edward Nichols had just the right partner. In Mind Lea. Collins was a fast talking charmer charmer in his late thirties. From Idaho who had worked with Edward in the summer of nineteen twenty two. They ran a pack string for tourists and Campers. At the cascade. Blake's a pack string is a line of horses or mules connected by ropes. Helping Group move through the woods without losing animals or supplies from fall. Nineteen nineteen twenty two to Spring Nineteen twenty-three Edward Lea Collins lived in the cabin in the forest raising Fox's and collecting the firs for Logan going to sell. It's estimated that the value of the first they collected from Logan's five silver. Foxes would have been around one thousand eight hundred dollars which in today's money amounts to almost twenty eight thousand. Even a small cot would be a handsome payoff. But when Edward and Collins returned to bend to give the first I a logan they are mutually beneficial arrangement soured. Logan refused to sell the furs by August of Nineteen twenty-three Collins was furious. Bruce Ed loggins cheating us no he just says the market's low and we won't make as much I I know. Oh it's a pain but if we wait a few months he'll sell them for more his line after months of work up in the cold while he sits back and bend get a hold of yourself collins. Trust the man so you trust him. I see what's going on now. What does that mean you and Logan are holding out on me? Aren't you collins. What you sound sound insane? You want insane fine. If you don't make this right I'll come back and tell you both Lea Collins. I was convinced that the two Edwards were cheating him out of his hard earned money so we went back to the lava lake cabin to get his revenge he stole five hundred dollars dollars that Edward Nichols had stashed away their five hundred dollars in nineteen. twenty-three would come down to around seven thousand five hundred dollars today so. This was snow. Small Act of theft but collins didn't stop there he also broke into Edward Logan's home in bend and stole a Diamond Ring and be referred coat belonging to Logan's wife Catherine Edward Nichols reported the store and five hundred dollars to the police blaming Collins. He probably felt like he was taking control. Troll the situation by giving the authorities a solid lead but upon meeting the police Edward Learn something shocking. Lea Collins didn't didn't exist Lea Collins was actually named Charles Hide. Kinsey Kinsey was a wanted burglar who escaped from a fourteen year sentence at the Idaho state penitentiary in Nineteen fifteen eight years before the events at the cabin after after robbing both Edward and Logan Kinsey fled bend on August Twenty First Nineteen twenty. Three and his escape was just as awful as his past still operating under his alias Lea Collins. He hired a taxi driver named William Harrison to drive him sixty miles southeast of the city to the last chance ranch. He claimed he was going there to buy horses to use up La Lake just as they passed. The ranch. Kinsey turned violent hands where I could see him now. Mr Collins put the gun down and let's just work this out before Harrison had a chance chance to talk his way out of the hold up. Kinsey knocked him unconscious with his revolver. After Harrison Woke Kinsey force fed him poison intended to kill him with Harrison at death store. Kinsey stole cash. Coat and shoes tied him up with Baling wire and placed him in a nearby ear by sister. A receptacle built to hold rainwater but miraculously Harrison awoke a few hours later the alot. Hello somebody how Harrison vomited up the poison. He broke free of his ties and made it to the last chance ranch to report the crime. A local sheriff found the taxis license plates abandoned near the cistern and was able to follow the cars trail but it soon ran cold with no more leads to follow. Kinsey successfully evaded capture capture. Kinsey is freedom worried Edward he could return at any moment seeking revenge. But in the meantime Edward still needed to make a living and Logan needed somebody to collect more furs and the fall of nineteen twenty-three Logan asked Edward Nichols to spend another winter trapping at the lava lakes Cabin Logan. I told you that job was cursed but collins or Tim Z. Or whatever the hell he is he's gone and you need the work. Don't you right but I'm not doing it alone. Not with Kinsey on the loose. Who are you going to bring this time? A pack of train attack dogs no marine the last time Edwards spent the winter trapping at Logan's cabin. He teamed up with a criminal and lost his hard earned money but this time he had a plan to make sure that things went differently late and they did go differently though not quite the way he wanted this time Edward Nichols would lose much more more than five hundred dollars when we return. We'll see Edward Assemble his full crew. Before heading now to the cabin for the last time and now back to the story in the fall of Nineteen twenty-three Edward Nichols of bend. Oregon was preparing for another winter at a remote cabin by the lava lakes. It was a trip that undoubtedly gave him some anxiety. His Former Partner Lea Collins Aka Charles Kinsey was a wanted criminal who thought Edward cheated him out of the profits from their trapping Kim's Ian already the stolen five hundred dollars from him but he still might return for revenge against Edward. He couldn't risk being alone all winter so he called on his old friend. Roy Wilson for backup. Roy was the perfect choice because he was a marine name. Age and place residence Harry. Leroy Wilson Roy for Short Twenty Nine Years Old Silver Lake Oregon but I was born in Colorado occupation. I'm a logger for the Brooks scanlon. The number company five foot nine hundred sixty five pounds tough enough. I can hold my own. So tell me Roy Wilson. Why are you interested in enlisting in the Marine Corps? Why Sir to serve my Country Harry Lee Roy Wilson known as Roy to his loved ones was born on January twelfth eighteen eighteen eighty eight near Rifle Creek Colorado? He was the only son of Sarah Jones. And Charles Wilson. Roy's father Charles was a mining prospector. Actor and his job took the family to Washington state in eighteen. Ninety five win. Roy was seven. The Wilson's lived in Washington for about fifteen years until Roy was in his early twenties around. Then Roy's sister Leila and her husband. Dan became friendly with Edward Nichols and his ex wife. Liza it's likely Edward and Roy met when their families lived in Washington. Edward was eighteen years older than Roy. But despite that the two men formed a lasting friendship by nineteen fourteen Roy Edward were living in the same place once again and they continued the friendship. They struck up in Washington. Roy found work as a logger. For Brooks Brooks scanlon was a good job at a big new company in Band and Roy was surely happy with the way life was going but in Nineteen fifteen tragedy struck. His Father Charles passed away and as we lay Charles Wilson to rest. I'd like to say a prayer for his wife Sarah and children. Leo Ella Rose and the Roy may they find the strength to go on without their beloved patriarch. Roy Is really gone isn't he. What am I going due to mother? Don't Fret Heck I'll work twice as hard at the middle of it means I can provide for you and grandma. I promise you too good to meet your father would be proud. Thank you mother with Charles Gone. Roy was his mother's only source of support port. He kept working as a logger but soon uncle Sam Siren Song was impossible to ignore. There was a patriotic fervor in the year and twenty nine year old. Roy Wilson enlisted in the US Marine Corps on May Twenty six one thousand nine hundred seventeen three years into world war. One Roy felt it was his duty. But it's likely this decision was tough on his mother. Sarah they are you sure about this. You don't have to prove yourself to anyone. My country needs me. Don't worry I'll still be able to send you money Johny. It isn't that Roy. I've already lost your father. I can't lose you to mother. I will see you again and joining the Marines meant Roy was risking his life but luckily his company. The hundred and eighth in the Eighth Regiment of the Marine Corps was not deployed to Europe instead in October of nineteen. Seventeen Roy in his fellow soldiers were sent to Galveston Texas on a transport ship the U. S. S. Hancock though Roy and his fellow Marines never saw combat their mission was crucial. They were called to patrol the Gulf of Mexico Sokoto and keep a watchful eye over oilfields in Tampico Mexico the US army relied on that oil so Galveston was a key. Strategic Strategic outpost. Roy's unit stayed there for almost two years until the war ended on April Twenty Fifth Nineteen nineteen while he didn't fight overseas. Roy Still spent two years undergoing rigorous training and drilling. He came to be known as rugged and disciplined a reputation that followed him home home to bend in Nineteen nineteen. Roy resumed his work as a logger. At Brooks scanlon. By then his mother Sarah lived with her mother Mary in Bend. Incidentally their neighbor was Guilford. Nichols Edward Nichols brother. On the Wilson and Nichols families continued to be entwined. It's likely that it was this closeness that inspired Edward Asks Roy to join him in the fall and winter of nineteen twenty-three trapping for in a remote cabin. I don't know you haven't exactly had the best luck up there. Roy Wilson are you telling me A. US Marine is afraid of a little snow. No but you know how my mother gets when I'm gone all right but think how happy she'll be when you come back with that firm money or better yet in elegant can mink stole. Didn't realize you're so fashion-minded ed I need a friend. Roy Someone I can trust. Kinsey is out there. And I want you. You want my flank. When he decides to come back fine you old scaredy cat outcome and I think I know a fellow who made a good third Roy? As far as I'm concerned you can invite the whole Damn Marine Corps. The final member of the trapping trio was one of Roy. Wilson's longtime logging colleagues. Do more us. Twenty five year old dewey lived lived in a boarding house in bend and was a foreman at the Brooks scanlon logging camp alongside his brother. Oh and Morris Roy Wilson had been friends with both Morris Brothers for five years thanks to their jobs as loggers at the Brooks scanlon mill in nineteen twenty-three. He invited twenty five year. Old Dewey to join him alongside longside Edward Nichols at the cabin in Lava Lake. Do we may have had good reason to warrant to spend a long winter away from home only months before this invitation invitation. He was accused of sexual assault in November of nineteen twenty two twenty four year old. Dewey took a young widow twenty-seven-year-old Mary ped- knelt on a date afterward. He allegedly assaulted her in his car. Word of the assault spread red and inspired an outpouring of local gossip and rival jokes. It seemed like been supported. Dewey instead of Mary even his bosses at Brooks scanlon. Women stood behind him. It took months for Mary's case against Dewey to be taken to court but a trial finally commenced on April eleventh nineteen twenty-three the three in court the prosecution only took fifteen minutes to deliver evidence to the jury and failed question. Do we understand instead. Five character witnesses spoke on behalf of Dewey's innocence and the verdict was not guilty journalist. Paul Haas Moore wrote in his deschutes. Pine Echoes. The paper the camps work greatly interested in the Dewi Morris case in circuit court last week as dewey is an old hand around all the camps and well-known dewey was arrested and charged with a statutory crime. But when the case finally reached a jury it it only took them seven minutes to bring verdict of not guilty with his verdict. Dewi Morris was on paper an innocent man. He was surely thrilled thrilled with the ruling. But it's likely that the gossip still bothered him. A winter away from the local rumor mill may have been exactly. What do we needed? He accepted and in Roy's invitation and the team was complete. They made for an unlikely trio a man afraid of a criminal. A man recently accused of being criminal and a US Marine Roy Wilson's brother-in-law Hervey de ns. Took Roy and Louis the twenty five miles southwest to the cabin in October of nineteen twenty. Three it was just off the northwest shore of Little Lava Lake giving its residents that charming view of the water. A Half Mile Trek would lead you to big lava lake walking trails were plentiful and phone. Service could be found at forest ranger station scattered throughout the region so it wasn't completely isolated. Still getting around would become much trickier in four foot deep winter. Winter Snow despite the emotional baggage each man brought with him there. October mood was light. There's a photo of fifty three year. World Edward Nichols thirty five year. Old Roy Wilson and twenty four year old Dewi Morris from that first day likely taken by Hervey. Ns after he drove early and Dewey. They're in it. Do we stands on the left Taller and Berl earlier than the other men. Roy stands beside him posing rather confidently efficiently as he pulls a sled full of supplies. The strong man of the group on the other side of the sled is Edward older than the other two with an easy smile smile on his face behind them. The small log cabin is nestled between the trees a picturesque place where they would make themselves at home and back. Here are Ed Logan's Fox pens. These are five of the most beautiful creatures I've ever seen. They'll look even more beautiful on a pretty lady as a coat. Can you imagine the look on some gals face when you show a better door with a brand new Fox fur coat. Sure do we say maybe. If you'd given even Mary a coat like that she would have been more amenable to you on that date. Hey that was proven innocent. Boys don't start a Ruckus. We're about to being tight quarters for months. So here's the rules we take turns caring for logans. Fox's when we're not doing that we could set up a trap line in the woods and traps and furs on our own. Oh and when we're not doing that we can sip some moonshine. Have a few laughs and try not to kill each other before we go home in the spring. I'm going to need to visit mother at Christmas. That's fine. I figured we could snowshoe back to town around Christmas to sell some furs anyway. If we last until then you okay ed you no. He's not gonNA come back. WHO's not coming back? Don't worry about it do and we're safe here. I'll make sure of that. Thank thank you thank you. Both the mood was light on the day of Roy and Dewey's arrival but soon snow would cover the ground. The lava lakes would would freeze over and the stage would be set for one of Oregon's most infamous crimes coming up. The three men spend a tense winter at the cabin near the lava lakes and now back to the story By mid December of Nineteen twenty-three fifty-three-year-old Edward Nichols thirty five year. Old Roy Wilson and twenty four year old Dewi Morris had been holed up in a cabin Oregon's deschutes forest for almost two months. They were there to care for Edward. Logan's five silver foxes which meant being being present for regular food deliveries. They also had the gruesome task of skinning the animals for their valuable pelts once they were grown the men ran trap lines across the woods catching their own animals to produce Fox Martin and music for it was a tough job but they all got alone cooking together other and sharing meals despite the good times a spectre hung above this little cabin in the woods the threat of Charles Kim's return was a heavy burden for Edward Nichols Bear. How could I been such an idiot trusting Collins? His name wasn't even Collins Silence. You're being hard on yourself Ed. We've been through this. Yeah almost every night it's Kinda creeping me out and you don't understand end. I pride myself on being tough guy but that low life seafood me for months. And he's out there with my five hundred dollars. You got nothing to worry about it. There's three of us and only one of him right well. Almost Kinsey brings back up to. Oh Lord do we. Why did you have to say that? Now Ed's you okay I I don't know it's just I guess I could stand to lighten up a bit. I'm glad you're both here. Over the winter of nineteen eighteen twenty three in early nineteen twenty four there were only three reported sightings of the trio. The I was at Christmas. Edward Nichols Roy Wilson. Snow shoot back to Ben to sell their first set of furs and spend the holidays with their friends and families. No one knows whether Dewi Morris also went home or stated the Cabin Hamon perhaps. He was still wary of the gossip surrounding the assault accusations against him and wanted to keep away. Roy Wilson's widowed mother. Sarah was thrilled to have her son home. Merry Christmas mother your home my baby boy go on Roy have some more this roast. I know it's your favorite mother stuffed. Boy You're cooking. Sure Beats Ed Nichols how is it. He holed up all right. Why wouldn't they be? Oh come now Roy I may be your old mother but I'm not blind. It's no secret that Kim Z.. Man terrified him. I know he wants you there for protection. I think he's a little paranoid. It's nothing to worry about and and yet I'm going to worry you help it out but don't put yourself in harm's way for nothing. You hear me. Mother knows best yes she does now. Are you sure you have to leave tomorrow morning. That's when Ed's heading back spend another few weeks up there then be home by February. Is that a promise. Would marine break a promise as Nineteen twenty-three ended in nineteen twenty four began the second inciting of Ed Roy. In Dewey occurred on January Fifteenth Allen Wilcox in the owner of a local elk lake resort and an acquaintance of Ed Nichols stopped by the cabin for Dinner Allen Allen. You've got to have another glass. One more poor come on AH Nichols. This is murder by Moonshine. SKULD out there Allen gotTa Stay Warm Right Roy. Would you talk some sense into these fools I am a representative of the US Marine Corps. And I am ordering you to drink and and you guys are too much all right then. Alan Wilcox in later reported that the mood was happy in light during their dinner together. He spent the night at the cabin with three trappers. Before heading out in the morning well this brings us to the third citing Ed Roy in Dewey on January twenty second nineteen twenty four. This sighting is more unusual because it was nowhere. We're near band or the forest. In fact there's one hundred twenty miles away in Portland Oregon Carl Schumacher the owner of the Schumacher Company. But one hundred and ten dollars worth a for from a group of trappers from end selling furs required. trappers license in the license presented did at the time of sale was Edward Nichols. What was Edward doing selling furs so far from band? That's a question that would matter greatly in the investigation that followed the first sale in Portland on January. Twenty Second Nineteen Twenty Four. It was the last official sign of activity from any of the three trappers. At first their friends and families in bend may not have worried after. All Roy had told his mother that he'd be back in February but soon it was march and motherly intuition was nagging at Sarah Wilson. She she knew Roy kept his promises. Hand she knew something was wrong. The first person she likely turned to her son-in-law Hervey ns the the man who took Roy. And Dewey up to the cabin back in October nineteen twenty thirty. I'm telling you hervey something's not right. Roy said he'd be home in February. I'd be wary. It's almost mid April. I know and I miss having Roy around too but plans change. It's still snowing up there. He and the other is probably just want to wait until the trip homes easier. It was Kinsey. I just know it Sarah get a hold of yourself he. He hasn't been spotted in a year. Ed Brought Roy up there to protect him from Kinsey and I think he got to them. What are you saying exactly? I think they're they're dead. I think my Roy's dead. Don't say that we don't know the go up there and find out if you don't I'll do it myself alright. Alright ago Harvey don't go alone. The first people to make their you're way up on April thirteenth. Roy's brother-in-law Hervey Innis and doing Morris's brother Owen. Who worked alongside Roy at Brooks scanlon? Snow Oh was still on the forest ground and went up to four feet deep in some places. The cabin was still somewhat inaccessible so the men drove to an access point. Wait near Snow Creek road but that was still seven. Miles south of little lava Lake Hervey and Owen. Had you snowshoes to walk the remaining distance in Nicole when they arrived at the cabin they founded in total disarray. Trash was strewn everywhere. Dishes were moldy and the calendar it was still turned to January. Despite being April the only sign of life was an emaciated cat but what was more concerning was the fact that Ed Edward Roy and Dewey's coats rifles and snow boots. Were still there. All their gear was clean and spotless almost like the men were prepared pair for a trapping trip. They never took. It was extremely unlikely that they'd leave the cabin without their coats. Much less their boots unless they had had no choice. Frantic Hervey and Owen rushed to search the land around the cabin. Logan's Fox's are gone. Think maybe they got hungry escaped. No there's still food in their hands. I'm thinking they were stolen with that. You just stepped on. It's it's it looks like shotgun shells eight of them Owen. You'd better come over here. What's that pretty sure it's bloodstain? What happened next is unclear? Some reports indicate that Owen Morris and Hervey Ennis stayed that day and proceeded to make a number verve discoveries others indicate that they return the next day with Edward Logan and deputy. Sheriff Clarence Adams what we know is this in addition to finding eight shotgun shells into bloodstain. The men also discovered a series of sled tracks one of the trapper sledge. It was missing a six foot. Long hand pulled model they used to carry back animal carcasses the men followed the tracks about a half a mile to the shores of big big lava lake which was still frozen over with a thick layer of ice there. They found the missing sled partially hidden in the snow. Now Owen look that stain his that Lord blood. I'm afraid so. Hervey the river on the ice. I think there was a sled tracks. Looks like it can't tell for sure. Did they cross the lake. Sorry on I think we found them. What do you mean? I think they're right here under the ice. They would have to wait until the ice melted but as soon as it thawed the awful truth would float to the surface. Edward Roy and Dewey had been murdered. Richard thanks again for tuning into unsolved murders. We will be back next Tuesday with part two of the lava. Late murders will delve into the mysterious area circumstances around Edward Roy and do his deaths and the lengthy investigation that tried to make sense of the twisted and violent crime committed committed against them for more information on the lava lake murders amongst the many sources. We used we found the book. The trapper murders by Melanie Tupper. To be extremely Greenlee helpful. To our research you can find all episodes of unsolved murders and all other park cast originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already ready. 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Broadcasting The 'Boys: Building a 53-man roster

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Broadcasting The 'Boys: Building a 53-man roster

"Thursday broadcast in the boys time here on logging in the voice and I'm wearing blue Roy's wearing blue. That just keeps it consistent with your fees blogging the boys broadcast the boys blue shirts. Blue. Button. Badger I'm. Looking at me like I'm like, I'm not speaking Roy Ari Thompkin I don't know what you'd Blues. Magas color. Is it. Do you think so does your wife think so I guess it important thing right both you okay that's good. Then that then that then it's consensus Roy, I'll be honest you're you're a gorgeous man you look good in any color. But that's that's A. Good shirt to me. It depends on the shade I. Feel like. and. What. Maybe one of my favorite color. So Roy are type broadcast the boys, and we are tasked with the final roster. Cut Down here. We almost we have the roster now on the blogging, the boys network at thirty seven love what we're doing by the way if you haven't been following thus far starting with Mondays logging the boys podcast, we have been following long where the F. Have you been. Sorry. One hundred percent statement if you haven't been following along though starting this week on Monday episode with Girls Talking Boys with Kelsey Charles and Meg Murry. They started things and we have run down the entire offense, and now we're onto the back end of the defensive side of the ball. So if you're just tuning into this episode for the first time, make sure you go back and listen to the other episodes, piece them all together in. You will have what we believe collectively will be the cowboys fifty three man roster. Important to note that traditionally, by this time of the year, we have already seen these players in some capacity and could therefore be able to sort of disseminate distinguish. Some of these battles, but at this point or just sort of going off of what we know what we expect, and then perhaps some surprise guys that that could push for roster spots based on what we've heard but roy I mean this is. Reflecting blind in many ways this year whereas in previous off seasons when ot as happened kind of able to gauge and get pretty good idea of what these guys are look like and what the what the true battles are GonNa be. What we may be, but as we've discussed on this podcast of four. Tiers of players through Alfred yet we are pretty well established. I agree with one of the units we're going to look at in this podcast. I don't think it's going to be much when argument at all as to the players that are going to be involved it's just going to be a question of what the number is going to look like for that set for four that Group A for that personnel grew but you know to be honest with you for that group I don't foresee. Issues at all for the back end of the defense that's where things can get interesting. Now it's worth noting that the cowboys have already made some couple of cuts you know as we've seen basically since twenty seventeen, the team goes from ninety, two, fifty, three. Ninety to start training camp than fifty three to cut, and that's previously before two thousand Seventeen Roy, there's. Multiple cut down periods but they did away with that twenty seventeen. But now because of covid nineteen, the roster be trimmed from ninety two eighty by the start of practice, which is August seventeenth. And I believe there's already been to cuts made if I'm not mistaken a couple of cuts that were made earlier today. Rather earlier on on Wednesday I should say And I'll have those names for you in a second while you try to fill some time while I try to find those names for you. Well. Not necessarily looking at the cuts but looked at the positions we're gonNA look at We're GONNA. Be Looking at linebackers and the secondary. And that is quite an awful lot I think to be responsible for between you and I because I'll. Give that heavy responsibility your let's be honest. Here could be anybody else One of those groups is going well, I daresay maybe both of those groups is coming off a season where a lot of people believe they underperformed of what they were capable of of what their talents said. Perhaps, they should have delivered One of those units didn't really get any upgrades in the off season and yet the expectations are still. Sky, high for them to be met, the other group got a pair of injections of, but also lost arguably the most important piece of the defense in Byron. Jones. So I'm really excited and interested to hear what you might have to say particularly when you consider that this defensive scheme may involve little three four action as well as both Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan had alluded to and their history suggests that they will utilize. All right So Jordan John and Garett Marino. Two players that were caught John had been around this organization was definitely part of the previous regime running back. He's he's officially been cut. One of the guys who most certainly would have made this roster. From defensive, backfield is Maurice Kennedy who was a signing by the cowboys this off season he is voluntarily opted out of playing in twenty, nine, two, thousand, twenty because of Covid nineteen. So as the. UNDRAFTED free agent Rookie Wide Receiver Stephen Gigiri out of Mississippi State. So. Your roster goes from ninety, two, eighty six. So six more cuts before August seventeenth. Let's go ahead and cut down the rest this roster Roy and I mean, let's start with linebackers. Last year the cowboys kept six linebackers. and. I mean every one of those backers still on this roster and I don't know. I. Mean. We Look at the coaching staff, the linebacker position but I mean late in jail Smith Sean Lee Joe Thomas just in March and Luke Gifford six linebackers they kept last year will that stay the same? Do you think it'll change? Do you think they'll add have seven linebackers make this roster Roy while you kind of waited out. You know regardless of who the new coach is that had been brought into this position like the experience on the wall smacks you in the face you have six guys that basically been part of this locker room right end linebacker room for the last three years, and then you have three young kids that are just trying to make an impact in the NFL, in their first go round through it. So It is worth mentioning at least talking about the new linebackers coach. Scott MC early is a guy who. came up in Green Bay. Under Mike McCarthy took an assistant job with him and then worked his way up into a linebackers coach position when McCarthy was fired in two thousand eighteen MC early had an opportunity to become a statistical analysts with Lsu. He would've actually won himself a national title had he taken that toll but instead he decided to take the year off and join Mike McCarthy as a part of the off season McCarthy project in which They research the innovative ways in which coaches in both college football, and the NFL around the country were utilizing guys in different types of schemes. So interesting I find that incredibly interesting that here's a guy who had so much faith in might McCarthy's ability as a coach that he four four went forego D- an opportunity to be on what was eventually the national champions imagine the type of platform that would've put this guy on. And yet he felt. It was the better move to stick with Mike McCarthy in the off season and no doubt. He probably gained a lot of experience in that regard in terms of the innovation and things that they studied. So that's worth at least keeping in mind. When you look at this linebacker group and They moved some guys on the defensive line all Smith. Will we consider him a linebacker in some? Rice bets this season as he was with the forty niners. An. Outside linebacker and potentially three four book. Yeah. I could see that happening but But. All of this I suppose to to paint the picture around what I think ultimately will be the six players that you mentioned. Neth Layton Vander ash your to. Starting linebackers Schoen Louie. First in line in the event, they played three linebackers goes well, is obviously out there. And then just in March Joe Thomas and Lee Gifford who you know Kinda of just had a bad break the last couple seasons. Twenty nineteen, he got a little bit banged up and then he wound up getting her a the rams and miss the entire season. But if you remember, he had that intersection the preseason against the forty nine, the preseason darling last year for sure was really excited about yeah and mean, he's a guy that can contribute on special teams as while you are going to need some like that's how I think this linebacker group has three of them in March Thomas and Gifford and I think they will ultimately keep these six. Are there any guys that you're looking? That make you feel differently about that than I do. Yeah. So Gifford, certainly I think. I would say for the purposes of this exercise that six is. I'd say that's pretty good. The question is. Do we add anybody in there's two undrafted free agents that come to mind. One is absorbed Kamara the undrafted free agent of Kansas, the others Francis Bernard. The UNDRAFTED free agent out of Utah who went to Byu. WHO's a really accomplish and really talented linebacker? The differences put art is more of a polished. You know three down type linebacker you're Kamara is. Overuse this, but he's the type of guy that can play all three levels if your defense he's definitely undersized as a pass rusher at six, four, hundred and thirty five pounds but he was a good pass rusher at Kansas. A Guy that certainly complainers secondary a lot of upside. This is going to be a weird year because without preseason games, there's not much tape to go off of for opposition. So you sort of wonder if some of these free agents who could stake onto your practice squad but I mean at this point, let's say those are six and then maybe I mean, would we adas you're camera or a Francis? Mean just glossing over Darius. Hamilton the North Texas standout like he's not even on your roster or like modern on your debts man you're talking about a guy who had seven and a half sacks needs to the past two seasons for that North Texas mean green up there in Denton baby and that's a just in twenty four games over the past two seasons. So fifteen sacks and twenty four games at the conference USA level. Just overlook that he's he's actually listed on the cowboys roster as a defensive end. Rob will again this. The versatility. That's why. This exercise is fun I. Love that we're doing it, but we almost should be. Collaborating a little bit more in terms of housing lawyers are going to get used in multiple roles especially on the defensive side of the ball on the offensive side of the ball. It's a little bit more dry certainly but on the defensive side of the ball, there's a half dozen guys that could potentially either play an outside linebacker position in three four or that could potentially play safety or multiple quarterback position Yep, Yep. Okay. So let's come back to linebackers I. Think we both agree six guys at least and maybe that six could be replaced by Kamara Bernard do I will say I think six guys at most okay. Out of those, do you see Kamara or Bernard perhaps giving gifford run for his money? I mean again, these guys have got Suction Hill battle to climb because they're not going to have as many loops to have an opportunity to impress coaches. Coaches fall back on. When they're faced with many many unknowns, they fall back on the tape that they do have. And they have tape on six of these guys. They don't have tape on three of them outside of what they've done at the collegiate level. That is a massive massive roadblock to me for a trio of undrafted free agents to try to come in less than a month's time in a situation where quite frankly they won't have more than a dozen opportunities to show on the field, what they can do and Oh, by the way, none of those opportunities will come in an actual game type of action. UNDRAFTED free agents unfortunately, they're facing a much steeper climb than any undrafted free agents have probably ever faced in the history of the League because the circumstances were dealing with outside of it. All. Right. Let's come back to it. I would say you're right six roster spots for linebackers. Perhaps a intriguing camp battle to watch Gifford Kamara and Bernard from upset final linebacker spot. Okay. Defensive backs last year they kept ten. Obviously different from the linebacker situation they've lost a they've lost a good chunk of that defensive back. Field Byron Jones. Jeff Heath Cave on frazier three guys that made last year's roster that are obviously not going to be making this year's roster. So I mean, let's start with the coaching staff. You mentioned Scott Mc early is the linebackers coach and then there is. To defensive back coaches in Al Harris and Maurice Linguist. About either. Pregnant pause. Told me everything to know I thought you had a good that you'd have a good l. hair story. Yeah. So I, I wish I did have a good story. The thing I remember about Maurice Linguists came from Texas A. M. If there was a big social media hubbub when he made his announcement, I can't remember what it was over perhaps the excitement or perhaps in the way that he made his announcement on, he did it in kind of A. Interesting fashion I mean obviously all Harris, we recognize the name as having been A. Spectacular player in his time. Linguist also former safety. Didn't know or remember much about his point in time. Yeah. from skeet. Yes. You, know Dow's native college while Baylor he's been all over the state of Texas in all over this area. So there's some familiarity I guess with how things roll around here The excitement I suppose that most cowboys fans probably have is in Al Harris. And the hope that he can somehow instill a bull hawking mentality into a secondary that has. Quite frankly struggled in that regard I I think. This area is the most intriguing and the entire cowboys roster L Harris as a player he's known as the ball Hawker. Aggressive press type player physical. Maurice Linguists when we spoke with him when the new coaches came intimate with the media. He he mentioned ball hawking in terms of his style multiple times. That's that's the type of defensive philosophy that the secondary is going to have Roy, and it's a hundred eighty degrees away from. What they had been this this is a defense was bend but don't break. It was play off. You know it was. It was everything in front of you. This is going to be a completely different animal. They're going to press to play up, they're going to be physical and they're they're going to. Take some chances they're going to. They're going to be ball hawking type players, and it's again it's a welcome departure from philosophy that the cowboys have had for. I don't know since Rodman Elliott came since I mean Monte Kiffin was your. It's sort of been that that same bend but don't break Tampa to to kind of shell style that they've had their now departing from, and so I'm very curious to see as they welcome in a new crop of young players. As. They try to see what they have and some of these younger young players that are. Coming up on contracts cheeto Jorge, Luis Anthony Brown. So it is a very interesting year for this group going with a massive change. And perhaps the biggest question mark is a unit on the entire football team. Yeah. I mean it's is for cowboys fantasy get excited about the changes that might come. You know we kinda got. Out in front of things. When Christmas sharp was brought here from the Legion of boom right, which plays that style supposed orchestrated entirely new style of defense and who knows how much he was handcuffed. By the overall scheme there were definitely wins that came out of the cowboys locker room in front players that said, they were taught one specific type of way to play court and were told they weren't allowed to play outside of that style. So, again, I can understand cowboys fans being excited about Harrison linguists. You know especially when Harris while we're. Harris concern concerned. I get much more excited. I would be much more excited. We're getting Prime Al Harris that I I am knowing the. Secondary's cokes secondary coach because you know the saint guys are still there. Really this is more about we'll. We'll trayvon digs and will reggie Robinson step up into positions of a being pieces of this defense, and maybe show that they're better than the guys who've been playing position for the last couple of years. So we have room for ten roster spots here now and I'm glad you said like. necessarily. Always Grouping Secondary. But with this group, specifically, it is best to talk in those terms because when we get it on paper, it could look like we only have two safeties and eight cornerbacks. Yeah. Now it's good point here's to and you know this news just came down so we'll have to. Probably. GonNa have to amend the cowboys fifty three because Roy the defensive line group has a glaring omission. That is going to make this football team so. When Bagai, we're not talking about ready Gregory right right as we. As excited as we once were on this particular podcasts. I think with a month left to go that ship may have sailed right. So Antoine Woods signs. So he's he's going to make the roster. He was not on our fifty three projection, the blog, the boys, one that that. the defensive line already he. Said signing hadn't been made. Or the finalized. So here's my question to you that truly gives us fifteen roster spots. Now, we're going to go with sixteen because that's what we've been tasked with but let's just based on what we have. Are you keeping ten defensive backs. So. So then where are you borrowing another spot from? There's you look at it this this roster that put together by the group here blocking the boys we just took six linebackers does that we borrow from linebackers That's probably GonNa be the place where David from. Italy, it's transitioning more and more to fewer linebackers and more. Athletic. Cover type players, you know we mostly assume in general that the cowboys aren't ever going to have more than two linebackers on the field. For the majority place in any given game, right? That's the case you can only need to be two and a half three. Look at look at the other positions, it's like, where are you gonNA cut? Yeah. In quite frankly I look at the names. Gifford probably is the the odd man out in that scenario. Keep maybe keep five receivers. That's crazy. I would also point to the player that woods might be replacing. Tristan Hill has failed to impress in any significance. In any significant opportunities that he's gotten you think there's any chance they cut him. Yes. Yes Yeah Sandro. G Sandra McCoy Don Tari Po you think those two starters you'd. You drafted never gallimore in the third round. You saw what he did it Oklahoma. He's at least getting an opportunity to be on this roster. If Antoine Woods is a part of things as well. That's four. Interior. Defensive. And a tyrone Crawford who has experienced on the interior and on the outside to me Tristan Hill becomes the player that quite frankly doesn't give you anything you already. Don't have right the only reason they'd keep him. I would think would be because Stephen Jerry be like no, we can't. We literally cannot cut him yet I mean that's fine but they were willing to part with Taco the first-round round and he was a pass rusher a hobby, and that was after year three, right? True. True. But Tristan Hill also came in under a different regime, right Steven Jones, and Jerry. He did come in and was evaluated by completely different regime. This regime sees him in practice and thinks he is a step or two or a year or two below what the previous regime thought. Then, they're not going to have any problem. Or ways with him I don't. Even, based on what the cowboys did use the draft to get him. I do think. Chance they will replace him in Gallon. I do think there's a good chance. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA cut. Tyrone Crawford. He'd count nine million against the cab. Him they they have they free up eight million if they if they cut up so they only have one million dead money. They cut him I. Mean it was a popular target coming into this off season as a guy who would potentially be cut could potentially be cut. But as I look at this thing more and more. Unless they had a handshake agreement that said, he would come back on a reduced salary. I wouldn't cut him. I would even though it saves, you save you eight million bucks against the CAP. Unless you unless you know Everson Griffen is GonNa come here for that same million dollars just just page debbie and clowning seventeen million, and then get a compensatory pick after he walks next year. So defensive backs. So, we agree they're going to keep a minimum of ten. And quite frankly perhaps they should keep more because there's a lot of experience in that position but I digress. So I also got ten I got seven guarantees. I've got nine guarantees out of the ten. You I'll give you one guarantee. You give me a guarantee and we'll see what we do. Cool. Yes. Haukeland LUYNEDYK's guaranteed. CHEETO, guaranteed. Anthony Room. Guaranteed. Jorge Luis. Guaranteed. Yep. trayvon digs guaranteed. Robinson you. Okay. So you don't think so we got sudden seven I get doing now you don't think during Thompson Donna Wilson Guarantees. I don't. Yeah I mean that's So. There's there's you. Have written down I do have them as part of my secondary. Making this roster but are they guarantees? No you're absolutely not. We can probably throw a third guy in there which CJ Goodwin who the guy that the cowboys have liked he's been good on special teams. Guy Is is in that. Group of Thomson. Wilson. Up Potentially. Darryl Worley. And seeking a good one. Because if you can put Cheeto at safety if you can play. Worley at safety. But you also have Cheetah who has experienced. Has quarterback obviously and Worley who is experienced as a starting quarterback with the raiders season to go. Then, you potentially can fill both of those positions and then overload at quarterback, which would give the cowboys an opportunity in my opinion to roll the dice and maybe find a diamond in the rough. Maybe pick a quarterback off of another team's roster that could improve their secondary. Substantially more than maybe Darren Thompson or Donovan Wilson will with their limited snaps at the safety position. Yeah. So those are my seven guaranteed as you Haukeland Dick Sager Woods as the back end safeties trio Anthony Brown join Louis digs in Robinson to draftees. Worley is a pretty good luck to make the team as well. Yeah. See as has starting experience and again this season more than. It's going to matter that you've played in the NFL before. But Thompson Wilson I do not consider them. At did not consider them to be guarantees again, I do have them written down were conveniently leaving out Chris Chris West Street. A lot of people loved. You know as a talent we a lot of. Friends of ours that we're talking to Chris West? And you know he's a guy who was on the team last year and he got a couple of last year with the team. So. What about Savion? Smith. Another guy on this off season Alabama. A player yeah played. The same team is trayvon digs. Funny little thing is looking back on digs is tape. In the reason I looked this up is because they're they're going to be facing each other at some point this season. If faced off against decay metcalf one time. When digs was at Alabama and metcalf was that Ole. Miss and I think I may have told the story in our podcast before I. Don't know if you remember. The first play of the game. Decay Metcalf scored a seventy five yard. Alabama. Mrs Only score the game. Because after that play. Trayvon digs defended metcalf, the rest of the game, the quarterback who was on metcalfe for that play though. Savion Smith. He's cut. Any means. But I. AM saying I guess there's a reason he is bounced around in was undrafted out of college whereas digs was second rounder out of Alabama and a lot of people think of first round talent, Yep Yep. Okay. So I don't think savion ill have an opportunity right or morale advocate don't think he does make the roster the I agree with you there. Very unlikely that he does. Okay. So we've got now basically three roster spots, right? We just four roster to roster spots. I Beg your pardon we I but we agree dare war will make his football team. They signed me off season. He has experience a guy that has versatile There's a role for him on a football team. And unless you just you know unless you just flames out and training camp. He'll make this team I'm trying to think wasn't there was a corner that the cowboys signed a couple of years ago from philly that did like Scott everybody thought it was gonNA make it didn't because he just you just dreadful yeah known carol. Yes that's right. No one CARA, dollars Right down the drain when they cut him before the season, even start. Great siding but I don't think we're really fits into that category. So he he makes the roster so it comes down to final spots. And you mentioned at the start of this, you might be keeping to safeties. So where are you going here? You're going down into Wilson during Thompson are you going to go goodwin or are you going? We're going here there's one more name that I think is worth mentioning and that's because Kinda 'cause he's a local kid from garland. Illinois. State. Defensive Back Luther Kirk the force. Yes. A fan of him was a lot of character thought he was one of the top sleepers in the NFL draft. He played really well in the East West Shrine bowl game. In fact, he was the shrine bowl defensive MVP. In the game, a collected two tackles and an interception for the West in a losing effort. His profile says he has the rain to play a centerfield position as a as a free safety safety in the League. And I think if he'd had more opportunities a game. Play. He might have been able to do a little bit more damage. He's a name that I'm still interested in because Darren Thompson Donovan Wilson Serviceable yes. When they have played a quite frankly neither is done enough to to surprise me. Or excite me all that much aside from a few blue plays. In the preseason two seasons ago, the about Kirk to is he's multiple he's versatile. He's a guy that can also play both free safety. Strong safety has experienced owners day play both of those positions. I. This is one of those or let's go back to the Gifford Kamara France conversation it's like, okay. Are they going to go Donahue Wilson? Thompson? or Luther Luther Kirk Donovan Wolves are they gonNA go undrafted free agent guy the potential GonNa go the devil you know or the devil w don't know and that's why I said like I don't think Thompson or Wilson I don't think they're locks. Worley I think is a pretty good shot be seventy, five percents because again, his multiple ability but a guy like, luther, Kirk. WITH SHRIMP DEFENSIVE MVP. Under under his belt. With the particular comment that he made that I think if cowboys fans once they get a hold of this event ever if makes the rounds or he was able to do something that got people talking about him, cowboys fans would start getting really excited about Luther Kerr. He spoke with pro football networks, Andy, Andrew DECICCO. Asked him about his willingness to play the nickel Kunar spot in the NFL. Right. Now, the cowboys Kinda only have one of those right in Jordan. Lewis. Right. The boys the nickel spot. Here's his quote said, absolutely, I do go work on my man technique for sure but to take it one step further, Kirk was asked about the player in the NFL he compares his game to the most. He said, I'd say a more of a tire and Matthew type dude. Wow. And I don't know about you whatever sins tire matthew came out of lsu ever since he was dubbed the Honey Badger. Ever since he was discarded in the many different stops, he's had up to this point. Before finding home. and. Finding himself winning. Super. Bowl. Tire Matthew is the type of player that I've always wanted on my football team, and if Luther Kirk has any of that in him. I want him on my fifty-three Monroe and what's a word? You describe his style play as. It'd be the same way that we've heard from linguist. I mean, it's everything is. It's all going back to the same word I. Think you and I keep using about this defense and about what they want or. Multiple. And Ball. Hawking. Shocked the world to put Luther Kirk on our football team. I, mean I WANNA put him in there over over one of those two. I know some people maybe. either. Put Him in there over Wilson If one of those two has a slight edge I. think Thomson has a slight edge over Wilson. And I just want to get a little bit funky. Have something to be excited about. Why Wilson Not Thompson. Well I mean I I suppose I'm picking one or the other and I'm kind of just looking at the online depth charts and seeing Thompson is listed slightly before. I often confused too. So. You know. I think. That is. Because neither has done any things. To stand out from the other. And I don't know I would like something to be excited about on the defense side of the ball that's unexpected. because. Many many great teams. Over the past several seasons have found a piece in the secondary or it in the defense that was a little unexpected, I think piece I'll say, let's let's cut dairy and Thompson. I find it hard to believe that Maurice Linguists would cut Donna Wilson considering he coached out of it will sit sexy say. Fair Very. Student. So let's do that Donna Wilson team during Thompson the cutting another boise state guy he's cut Luther Kirk Illinois state products from Garland makes us fifty fifty three by CJ Goodwin. Dairy and Thompson out with the old with the new I like it. Okay. So there you go there's or fifty three. Are Portion of the fifty three were kept six linebackers the exact same sex and they kept last year. But look for as Kamara and Francis Dr two, hundred created. Then we kept ten defensive backs. The biggest surprise is might be Darryl Worley and Luther Kirk making the team over. Dairy Thompson CJ Goodwin. All right. So one final question for you. Roy Before we out here now did you amend apologize I? Did you amend their defensive line to add woods and we made our picks adjusted to that or did we make our picks based on the nine? They gave us? Yes we made. We made it. We picked sixteen players not including Antoine Woods. So. Yeah. So we. Most likely are going to have to borrow from somewhere else and perhaps luke if it doesn't make this football team. Or maybe maybe times. Yeah. Right. So. Listen runner student the cowboys have. Always have a little bit of money left. They could, as we mentioned before cut Tehran Crawford at another eight million. I mean is there Anybody Roy you're right now you're interested in in terms of free agency that's out there. Oh Yeah. Well, it you can bring Everson Griffen in here. I'm all for it. I'm sorry. You said it before we started the podcast I just. Today beyond cloudy I don't. I know they can financial the money around to do it but based on the situation that they're going to be facing next season where the salary cap is likely to go down significantly. I don't think they WANNA play around with money and they can't really play around with money on a one year deal for jv cloudy. Anyway right. You don't think that's in the cards for the cowboys. Cowboys. Move to like that Everson Griffen. Siamese. Ibn On that. Might. Hurt one of these young outside pass rushers. Bradley in a as close good could be on the outside looking in as a result of that addiction but I would take a run at Everson Griffen. I don't think the are thinking in those terms I think if they're looking to add anything positionally, it would be in the secondary. About Logan Ryan. Logan Ryan with the Tennessee Titans. As the team that was shouted fan of still. Follow. Them fairly closely. And I just don't think cowboys fans of be all that impressed by what will ryan brings to the table at the cost that he is demanding reportedly, which is upwards of ten million dollars I. Don't think the cowboys will be willing to shell that out at the position, and if they were going to shell more than ten million dollars out at position this off season than they should have done it with Byron Jones. So I think everything. You just said, right? There is accurate. He is in the market for one year ten million. Now I know when I mentioned Logan Ryan. People will say he's a slot corner, so you already have. You already have multiple slot corners at this point. And I just don't care because he's better at that position than anybody else you have in their roster like I'm not gonNA. Sign a guy because he's a slide corner and already have guys that position. Okay. Well, he's better than the guys you have. I I. This guy that that can take the football away four interceptions last year he didn't the previous couple of years. You know those those did not have the course of his career. He's seventeen picks seven years. You know this guy that can also play blast. Greenwich, mean he's he he his eight and a half sack slash last two years with Hennessy. So the way in which the titans used him. You know they. They were getting him after the. So eight and a half sacks last two years, seventeen interceptions of the course of his career alyssum defensive along the donor that. He is he's a smart player. Is He's a good leader. I think he's the type of player that I'd love to have in this football team. I don't care that they already have other slot corners I'd be willing to pay a one year deal. I mean if it basically says cut tyrone Crawford and that opens up eight billion dollars cap space that I could sign Logan Ryan I'm doing that or your. Out. What? You would make that trade out your Jerry. Cross. Twelve Times out of twelve times I mean without question I'd make that trade out now. I'm also stingy Debbie clowney that that is a little bit more in terms of the young. Man You gotta drums this. Kate God it's like everybody that needs everybody that needs some free click on their youtube page Yup. Let's throw up a video about debut beyond cloudy is not happening probably not right but not happening. So a guy that's not going to cost you nearly as much cloudy. It's GonNa. Cost you one year seventeen million. That's what it is he. Tommy signs draw somewhere closer to like fourteen fifteen. You know he reportedly. To this point, he reportedly turned on deal for the Browns, when you're fifteen. So I don't know if he's Like. If. He's okay with not playing this year or what but. Stipend loan. I would one hundred percent being on Logan Ryan at one year ten million. I would because I think I need more leadership and more guys like Logan Ride my secondary at this point. All right. That's Roy White. Due. To to round things out there I, do think they will leave a spot vulnerable in the secondary for. I. In free agency or whether it be from another team's roster, some guys that got caught up one side. All right. Once again Roy. Williams I think called row into multiple times now on the show. Roy What. the the or DUB is so. Fifty of them. to the play for the cowboys. One that has rule named after him, and then of course, north had head basketball coach Roy White onto our DUB three I'm already tempted on twitter at Ari Sports of course, you can follow us on Youtube as well. 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Are Democrats getting rolled?

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Are Democrats getting rolled?

"I would certainly be in favor of allowed. Stacy is the bankruptcy route to save some cities. Hello and welcome to another episode of the weeds on the box media. Podcast network I metric. Laziest here today with Ezra Klein. We WanNa talk later about sort of China's role in coronavirus and also in American politics up at first speaking about politics that we've had a number of sort of rounds of stimulus legislation of potential fourth-round coming. These are bipartisan deals. Given the configuration in Congress and at a political power in in Washington and naturally leads to the question of. Who'S GETTING THERE? Who's getting the better of the deal? And there's a certain sentiment on the left. Did the Democrats are sort of getting broiled here and I am coming into this totally blind as you said you wanted to talk about this but I actually have no idea what you think. It'll be a surprise to us all so usually we try to make these things kind of kind of fake spontaneous APP this is. This is the real deal. I don't know what's coming so I've been reporting on this because I I've been getting this question a lot and I feel this really catalyzed in. I guess it was stimulus bill. Three point five where the money for testing and the administration creating a national plan on testing was described as a win and a concession for Democrats. Meanwhile the bill did not include state and local aid. It did not include all kinds of things that work beyond the baseline things that I wanted the center on budget and Policy Party said it wasn't enough even as an interim measure and so there's this feeling that if Democrats are taking testing money as a concession when that's just what we need to be doing anyway. What is happening here reporting a bit on this and one reason? I'm interested in. It is it reveals a dynamic at the heart of this thing that I think is very unusual so the normal way you would think about this working. Is it the Party in power? The party that controls the White House has the political responsibility for governing the country if the country is poorly governed that they are going to be blamed and so they're going to be the party that wants to do all the things you kind of have to do no matter what they're going to the party that wants to get enough money to support the economy that wants to do testing. You can reopen the economy. All that thing is the trump administration has actually wanted any of that. Their approach to this has been that it is a state and local problem. They don't WanNa be responsible for testing. They don't want to be responsible for saving the economy. They don't to be seen as people in charge. And so there's a strange dynamic that has emerged where Democrats are acting as the governing party from the minority instead of their leverage being that the administration wants to do all this stuff and they either think the stuff is bad and they can block it or they hit. The stuff is okay. But they want to add their specific particularistic priorities to it. What they're actually doing is from the minority insisting the trump administration takes money. They don't want authority. They don't want over the crisis and that is put them in a position where it's almost like what they were doing. In the Obama Administration where Democrats are getting like a win when the bill is basically look. Do and what it should do. You know early. Forty five percent of what it should do as opposed to acting like a traditional inority party where they are making somewhat unreasonable demands. Getting a win when they either destroy. The majority party's ability to govern or they get their unreasonable demands Inserted into the bill and that has been a frustration to liberals on the outside. Who Want to WHO WANNA see the aggression from Democrats that they envied Mitch McConnell? Having in the Obama years but on the other hand I did talking to a lot of Senate and house. Democrats who feel very strongly and I think understandably in and morally correctly that they do not want to use the suffering as a country as leverage telling somebody that their grandmother died business closed. Because they're trying to get one over on Mitch. Mcconnell doesn't feel like what they got into politics to do right. I mean just think there's also the question in this of like there's disagreement underlying about the merits of the payroll protection plan. Where the bill where money goes to small businesses it also frankly about the merits of the larger business component. Right were a number of sort of left wing. Writers Twitter Personalities etc. Have been very hostile to this sort of core business support program and and they portrayed that as like the Republican Party win and they sort of asking what would it. Democrats get in exchange for this. But as far as I can tell talking to actual democrats in Congress Dave themselves. Don't see it that way. They're not reluctant to provide the second batch of PB funding so that creates a disagreement about what the bargaining framework actually is here at all right if you think of that business stuff as well. That's what Republicans wanted and so then where's the Democrat wins? Like where's the Postal Service Bailout? Whereas the whatever else than it does look like a very one-sided bargain but actually like the trump administration has not pushed hard for what? I would think would be republican ideas. The Democrats would have a serious problem with right. They have not said. Let's make a full expensing of investments permanently deductible. They have not said you know. Let's cut the capital gains tax rate. They haven't put those kind of asks on the table. Were Democrats might then be like. Whoa hold your horses. They're you know if you want that you're going to have to give us something instead. Democrats just don't object to these business support measures so the criticism could be while they should act or the criticism could be. Will they pretend to object to sort of gain strategic leverage but either way I think the real situation is that these bills look like Democrats like they are getting minor wins for their side in exchange for doing things that they think are totally good ideas? Yeah one hundred percent so. You're totally right that that is another strain of criticism. I I haven't focused as much on that one just because as you say. It isn't one that virtually like any elected Democrat agrees with like they don't like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren voted for the spill. And so they're like they're some what I call sort of anti corporate. I didn't even know you'd call. Somebody's folks progressives at this point given dictate to me to be trending But nevertheless the there's a anti-corporate dimension To criticism were just like to be giving this money to big Mrs to give it to small businesses. Like it's all a total disaster but just that's not broadly believed including by the people who represent the left on this IVA interview coming out on on the eqe show on Monday with privilege. Aia Paul who's the congresswoman from Washington? She's a Co Chair of the House Progressive Caucus and. It's a great interview extra. Actually I really recommend people listen to it but when you talk to her about what she wishes was in the bell like she's not saying like oh the promise. Were giving money to businesses. Like everybody believes if because they are in their own districts. I want to note by the way like the structure of their jobs. Like they are in their districts doing usually now like digital town halls and what they hear from person after person after person is not like businesses. Right it's my business. It's like my family worked forever to create this organization. I work for this larger employer and they've been good to me but now blick nobody's buying our product and like we need help and so when you are being confronted with the human suffering that comes through the mechanism of businesses closing keeping businesses from closing. Doesn't seem like that bad of an idea now. One thing that I think Democrats have done. Poorly is create a metric of success that their own side can understand and so actually. Jaipur good example or offer some good. I think Bills in this direction. So she's got two bills right. Now that I think are worth discussing. Which is one this paycheck guarantee act which would basically guaranteed payroll up to one hundred thousand dollars a year for like any business that is like having to close down or lose a lot of revenue due to cope nineteen. And you can prorate it if you've lost thirty percent of your revenue and so on but it's very directly supporting payroll which I do then be a somewhat more progressive and also ambitious way of of supporting the jobs in these programs but the other thing that I thought was really interesting is that she has medicare crisis. Bill which is basically it opens Medicare or Medicare like program up to anybody. Who's losing health? Insurance needs health insurance because of the crisis. And that's like much more in the direction of going towards a a medicare for all or medicare for more programmed than simply expanding Cobra. And so what they could really imagine. Is that Democrats begin describing either at these bills in particular the Medicare crisis. Bill as like. This is what it would mean to win right. You begin to like build organizing around like this one idea so. There's a lot going on in these broader bills which are packed with all kinds of things from state and local hospital aid testing money to business bail. Let's to everything but like this thing like hits traditional democratic pressure points. Democrats have been wanting to expand access to Medicare. This is a popular idea and it could just be come the thing the Democrats say like yes. The next bill will need to have this in it. And we're going to go to the mat over that and like we will fight until this one And Democrats have not been willing to do something like that. They have not been willing to say that. Like this is going to be the marker for us of success we are going to get our people invested in this and then like we are not going to let the bill pass until it includes because we believe the public is on our side about it and so when you don't like set a metric for success it is hard to declare success. Meanwhile like the trump administration is basically asking for not literally nothing but but very little but then they take credit for the things. Democrats fight to get into the bill like say the stimulus checks Jimmy Heath. Oh the the real underlying dynamic. You want understand what's happening is that. The trump administration has not made enough unreasonable asks. You know what I mean like in like in a weird way like if they came and they were like we want a trillion dollars in regressive tax cuts Democrats would be like fuck no as in the trump administration could say no no no but we really want those regressive tax cuts and then Democrats could come with a really big ask of their own and then you can have a deal like a deal where you level off but what's happened here. The whole time is the trump administration has just been kinda Wyche every once in a while. The president will tweet that there should be a payroll tax cut or maybe some kind of stimulus bell but their actual negotiation just seems to be Nancy. Pelosi has like a jillion things that she would like to do. And Steve Mnuchin rejects most of them and they eventually settle on. What from Pelosi's list is acceptable to Mnuchin and then Senate Republicans Kinda grumble little and and go along with it. So in that sense. It's like a hundred percent wins for Democrats. I think it's not. It's not like a win. For America to have the president of the United States being so passive about everything like He. He should come up with something in the Democrats would get more leverage but also you could get more done. The other thing I want to say. Is that the unemployment insurance expansion. Is I think a much bigger deal and much more much more left wing in. Its implications of the way this came about. I guess Michael Bennett. And Ron wide were the main actors in in putting together and those are not even close to being the most left wing members of the Senate Democratic Caucus and they are not like wired into left wing to chat spaces and stuff like that so it never quite got play as like. This is a really big deal but but the way this works is that people get their normal unemployment insurance plus six hundred dollars a week and the scope of people who are eligible for unemployment insurance at widens allot in. I don't think a lot of people would run them math on this but I checked it yesterday and the majority of fulltime workers in America get more money under enhanced unemployment insurance than they do at their current jobs. That doesn't mean like will. You're better off losing your job because unemployment insurance expires and also people just don't like being unemployed but it means that this program has gone. For being unusually stingy I think by global unemployment insurance standards to Super Duper duper Jenna as many replaces more than one hundred percent of wages in most cases and with very progressive targeting. So it's a lower income of person. You are the better idealises for you. And it's like if I have a criticism of this if anything is that it's like too much of a left-wing success story it's like it's like all Leeann income. Redistribution at a moment. When there's like a lot of other problems in the world but like that's that's the win. If you had proposed that in a normal time like just turned the basic logic of the link between employment and income. Totally upside down. People be like. That's crazy you're a communist but we did it with a unanimous Senate vote. I think one reason dot policy. I agree with everything you say on it. I think one reason it has not gotten the credit it deserves is in addition to not coming forward in a way where people organized around it and it was like like Bernie Sanders like crazy idea that he forced into the mainstream. It also has layered on top of unemployment insurance structure. That is very badly designed for this kind of unbelievable generational crisis in the states and to a lot of people aren't getting it and so the thing people are hearing about unemployment insurance is at the websites are crashing. People are applying. And they're not getting it. They're not seeing the check yet etcetera etcetera etcetera which is all one hundred percent true in a real problem but the problem in implementation there. I think has overwhelmed. The like macro policy change. It was made which as you say. It was actually an extraordinary win. And you know Alexandra Customer Cortez's policy director riffle said like the most progressive thing like Congress's done probably in decades. It's a very big deal but again this goes a little bit to think about. I think there's a perception Democrats have that they're always losing and also because a lot of what they're fighting for is just what the trump administration should want anyway. Democrats like the idea. That Mitch McConnell is out there saying states for just go. Bankrupt is wild right. It's totally ridiculous. And it's totally also a disaster for Republicans because like they are in charge and states begin. Cutting education left right and center like they're going to be in trouble. I was talking to Brian. Shots the senator from Hawaii about this and he had this very funny line to me said everybody thinks that everything. Mitch McConnell does or says is diabolically strategic but sometimes it's just diabolical. There's no strategy. Here's just something he said and like I think this is true about a lot of the Republicans have been dealing with this. It's been very reactive. Like sometimes are falling back on criticism of Democrats sometimes are falling back and conservative ideology but because they have not had an agenda they want to pass. There's like nothing. There's not really been something for Democrats did go. She against Democrats are simply trying to get Republicans to agree to the things that you would assume you'd want and so I think the other thing that comes in here is that people are worried that Democrats are giving Republicans that things are going to take credit for and then like even if say Joe Biden or Democrat wins in November then of course like Republicans going to turn around and give Democrats none of this cooperation electronic crash the economy on them and I don't think that's wrong by the way. Yeah I mean for me going back I mean I always thought that the thing Democrats should insist on is the creation of automatic stabilisers as part of this to say. Yeah we can do whatever but the triggers are going to be objective economic triggers. Not You know dribs and drabs. So that the bipartisanship doesn't it In in two thousand twenty one have one on McConnell and the question of diabolic is that here. It's always. It's always hard to know because oftentimes what I think. Progressive Want is for Democratic Party politicians to be more dishonest active sort of improved their bargaining leverage. Right that if Democrats had said and profess to believe that supporting businesses was a really tough ask for them and like Oh man I don't know like a big bailout to corporate America. How how am I gonNA. How am I going to do that? We can't agree these companies all messed it up in Elizabeth. Warren I think started on this blah talking `bout stock buybacks and stuff like that and then you could create a situation in which there was a lot of conditionality on the assistance. Like you can get this money from the Fed but you need to start paying your workers more or something like that. Democrats ultimately didn't do that. I think because it's challenging for the Democratic Party to communicate internally in the way you would need to to sort of bluff like that whereas McConnell on stayed. He started out by saying like no. It's totally unacceptable. These stages file for bankruptcy softening his position where it seems like maybe he's willing to do state aid but there's going to have to be some sticks attached to create some kind of state level budgetary forums. And I. I don't know how that's GonNa work out for him in the but being willing to sort of stand up there and like take shit from people for being unreasonable does strengthen your your position tactically and. I'm just not sure that the Democrats are set up to do that or that. It would be wise to do that. I mean something. Progressive Complain about all the time is that. Republicans do a poor job of safeguarding. The actual economic interests of their constituents and that sort of two sides of the same coin of having more tactical flexibility about bluffing is when your external communication is not honest. At that can benefit a wide array of stakeholders. Who aren't always the people you you really WANNA help. So I'm I'm just not. I'm not as in love with the idea that like more bargaining strength is is the key. Let's take a break here and come back and talk a bit about what actually is politically wise. This is the host of the client. Show podcast in two thousand. Fifteen is what he was most afraid of a pandemic respiratory flu. He told me we're living in his nightmare now so I had him back on the show to ask him. What has he learned. What do all of us need to learn? How far are we from vaccine? And what does he hope for society on the other side of this crisis? Do we need to do to build something better in its aftermath? Enlisted our whole conversation best subscribing to guess or client show wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone it's Jimmy model. I'm the host feed run a new show on qube produced by the team at Polygon. Speed run gives you your daily dose of the biggest gaming and entertainment news every weekday we'll give analysis of the latest video games and highlight. Some of the best of the gaming community will cover everything from the twenty year evolution of action role. Playing Games to the breakout success of riots new valent for stories like this and much more download the APP to watch new episodes of speed run every weekday. So something I think is relevant in this conversation. Is that if you turned on twitter day to day. You would think that what's happening is like. Joe Biden is way behind in the polls. Donald trump is like using his press conferences to like become unbelievably popular and the face of the carnival. Suspense and like Democrats screwing all this up again. Because like the entire emotional tenor of all democratic discussion is like panic infighting always but if you actually look objectively at the political scene right now it is an unmitigated disaster for Republicans. So I've been working on this with Rouget Karma over Fox and we talk morning. Consult to get polling for other world leaders and governors and something you see when you actually compare what is going on with. Donald Trump to what is happening to other leaders in similar positions in the crisis is it. He is just not getting the bump. You see everybody else getting. It's very common right now to see double-digit bumps Emmanuel macron and France who's very unpopular has had a ten point bump during virus. Angela Merkel for Teen Justin Trudeau Sixteen Scott Morrison Australia twenty-five Boris Johnson in the UK. Eighteen and a lot of these players did not have good initial responses. Like Boris. Johnson. Really screwed this up at the beginning. Trump has had a three point bump like three points so all these other people getting somewhere between ten and twenty or ten and twenty five in fact and trump is up three points and then if you compare trump to governors in New Mexico. Gresham's up fifteen points Gretchen. Whitmer and Michigan is up. Twenty one points Kevin. Stick it Oklahoma's up nine points Tom. Wolfe in Pennsylvania up twelve. Tony Evers in Wisconsin up seventeen Roy Cooper and North Carolina up twenty three film Murphy in New Jersey. Twenty six again like in this poll trump up four. And so there's a real way in which what trump is doing here is not working. Joe Biden is going seems to just be rising in the polls even though people feel like they're not seeing enough of him. He's beaten trump nationally. Beating him in battlegrounds last I looked Biden's up about six points as a challenger national polling at this point in two thousand twelve Obama at the competent was up three point five points over Romney so like trump is objectively doing quite bad. He's not getting the bump you see of other leaders in sort of similar contexts. And then like this is still quite early in the economic damage. We're GONNA see it right like people have not been dealing with this for very long and we know that sort of rally round the flag effects to the extent you get them they dissipate so trump is not getting like the bump that we think he will be spending down for while already and these are just getting worse and worse and worse in many ways he is getting more and more flailing so there is this way in which. I think that there's like a background belief that Democrats were somehow fucking this up politically but like what I actually see. Happening is trump is screwing this up both substantively and politically and like in the background. Like Democrats are doing what seems to be working for other bleeders and and other politicians and other places which is like just try to project a kind of competence and adult in the room approach to this and voters were scared right now will reward you. Yes I mean you know. Twitter is a complicated place. Am You know as we all know in a in a realm of cliches? You know it's it's it's not real lights up but Joe Biden has particularly sort of up the ante on that because in the Democratic primary there was such a heavy heavy heavy at age skew. Two things right and like so few people who were of tweeting age were like fans of Biden and Biden's approach right but the median age in the electorate is in the high fifty S. And you just sort of don't have that. You know I feel like in digital media terms like really like an old man you know like I'm way older than most of our colleagues. Vox like telling people war stories about the two thousand four campaign and stuff like that. But I'm much younger than the average voter in America. And so by has this you know reservoir of support which we saw the primary we see again at general election calling that is largely invisible in the discourse consisting of older working class. Democrats a lot of whom are African American but some of them are white or Latino or something like that but exactly the kind of people who you don't hear from a lot so instead there's this kind of echo chamber work. Sometimes people are saying well we should be hearing more from Biden but sometimes what they're really saying is like they don't like Joe Biden and don't enjoy tuning into the content. He's making the the thing that he's saying. Any it becomes very kind of confused dynamic but I grew you that on one level right for Democrats to change their strategy. They have to believe that the strategy isn't working and right now. What Congressional Democrats think? They're doing is being responsible rather than engaging brinksmanship and also being up in the polls so like. Why would you abandon that approach in favor of a substantively risky? Who is supposed to help you politically when actually you're you're winning right now is the generic. Congressional ballot has also gone from plus five Democrats to now is almost plus eight and they. They just like they seem to be doing well. And you know what? Why are they going to change? I guess good place to to take another break in the talk about China. Yeah obviously China is a real country farm policies a real thing but the trump team has also telegraphed incredibly heavily in their the greatest thing actually. Donald trump is that he doesn't believe in subtlety or any kind of finesse if his plan is to get out of the coronavirus political whole by pointing fingers at China and positioning himself as the tough on China candidate. His team will just like say that to newspapers and then go do it and that is what they are doing. They are saying that. This is all China's fault. They have the intelligence community trying to find evidence that it was actually a lab accident. But they have this litany of complaints about China separate from the lab saying and then this whole story that Joe Biden is soft on China. That Hunter Biden had some business dealings with the Chinese government that the Chinese are pulling for Biden. They want to rig the election for him and that that's sort of the whole real issue here and there joined in that then by some more aggressive foreign policy hawks like Tom Cotton in the Senate who you know really see this as the opportunity to get a new cold war going. And what's been interesting? Is that the bind campaign has not hesitated to just sort of upped the ante on on that and say yeah like China is terrible and Donald Trump is China apologist and they put together this video with like all the clips of trump talking about how much she loves his friend. President Xi and what a great job. They're doing with corona virus than how he loves the Chinese and China's amazing so I guess everybody agrees China's terrible. I think this is all pretty cheap dangerous. You know look campaigns campaigns and I'm not shocked to see the Biden campaign doing some China bashing but let's take the Wuhan lab thing seriously for just a minute here. Okay I will say to start this off like I do not believe. Kurna virus was created in a lab in Wuhan the people the scientists who mapped the genome of Corona virus. Don't believe is created in a lab in Wuhan like this is a thing going around but like let's imagine from it was created in the lab in Wuhan. What are saying would have happened. There is something called a gain of function experiment so it's constantly the case. That latte like bio labs are messing around with viruses to see what they will do. And then to try to figure out how you can counteract that so very famously There's a virus. It is incredibly lethal called h five and five which this Dutch Dr Scientists something. It has a sixty percent salary rate. But it can't spread from human to human but he passed it through ten different ferrets and at the end of that managed to create a version could spread between humans and like announced that and explained how he did it. And like it's set up. This huge global furor over like is that an experiment. You should be doing like at all like what if that escaped or you taught some like you know like a terrorist group how to do it and similarly even at very high security bio labs. We have had experiences where things have escaped to just note in Britain they have. I think it was like Hoof and mouth disease which was like a huge outbreak for awhile and then there was another one a couple years later and it turned out that they become out of a British lab that was experimenting on the virus and it leaked through a pipe and then similarly just a couple years ago there is an American biosecurity Like army base kind of thing and they were sending out deactivated anthrax spores to one hundred and ninety two labs around the world. I'm because like they have the capacity to make them So those labs could experiment on them except that they accidentally sent out live anthrax spores to one hundred ninety two labs in a bunch of different countries around the world so whoops. Here's the point lab. Accidents do happen again. I don't think this is one of them but if it was what you want in order to manage that is that countries are operating with each other in like a like a position of sort of trust and mutual goodwill where people are quickly. Honest they call on each other for help similarly. If something's coming up naturally like you want that like capacity to cooperate and China is by no means a good actress. It clearly played this down and tried to suppress it for a couple of weeks and cost the cost a world a couple of weeks and then they did explain what was going on and go into quarantine and unlike give the world a month and like we wasted time too but nevertheless like if we had a better relationship with China if they felt safer like in their relationship with the US Which was not how Donald Trump has been managing that relationship? Is it possible that like they would have told us what was going on faster? I actually don't know. This is something that Senator Chris Murphy posed as hypothetical and he says he doesn't know the answer either but even if you think this is all China's fall like the way to handle this where we need both global public health cooperation now and global economic cooperation to get out of this and in the future. You need countries cooperating on what could potentially be embarrassing or threatening like revelations about what is going on in in public health in their countries is to create an atmosphere where people are willing to say this stuff and simply ratcheting up the tensions endlessly to deal with domestic political problems. It simply does create a more dangerous world right like I get the political incentives but it creates a more dangerous world for everyone main thing I would say about this. Is that the trump people the not. Just trump bagshaw the the sort of more thoughtful China hawks at working behind the scenes on this. They don't appear to me to have any actual policy that they want to right. There was a kind of a fork in the road. I think almost twenty years ago when China was a lot poorer than it is today and the United States was not that much poorer than it is today because this is not a great twenty years in the American economy. When you know some people a lot of Neo-con FARM POLICY. Hawks really wanted the United States to ratchet up anti-chinese activities to provide very robust military support to Taiwan to really object to the incorporation of Hong Kong into the Chinese authoritarian system. People used to talk a lot about free into that There were real questions about. Should we establish permanent? Normal Trade Relations with Taiwan have with China rather and we didn't do those things you know it instead what we did was invade Iraq and Afghanistan and then sort of Syria and then sort of Iraq again and then sort of Syria GAM and then maybe continuing Afghanistan. And we're now just sort of behind the behind the curve. I think in terms of a lot of the traditional China Hawk type solutions so to a striking extent right like the big policy suggestion from Tom. Cotton has been what we should call this virus virus because if we call the Chinese government names they'll feel really sad about it or then. He floated the other day. The idea that what we shouldn't allow Chinese technical students to come here to the United States because they turn back to China and bring that knowledge home but people look at the numbers. And that's not true like most Chinese students who come here stay here. Because America's you know good country people have been coming to America for like fucking hundreds of years to do things and it's always been the strength of America and the nationalists like cotton. Who want to restrict immigration to the United States? You can accomplish a lot of things by restricting immigration but you're not gonNA make the United States more powerful than China that way right. I mean there's a New Zealand. She was like a nice country. They've really got this cove. Nineteen thing licked. But because nobody lives there. It's like A. It's a small rinky-dink country America's big deal and there's a vision here and I think that like just being assholes to another major government ball not having any kind of like plan to get the upper hand on them or something that we want or something we wanna do is very unwise. You know because if we don't actually have anything we can do about China then. We have to deal with well in there. I I do want to note. There have been some other. Policies had been coming forward in the past couple of days with his one to take away sovereign immunity from China To Let American CITIZENS SUE CHINA FOR WHAT? Cronin virus has done to them in international courts which is like one of the dumber ideas I've ever heard. There's another that maybe we're not going to pay debts to China. Which given how? Many treasury bonds China Owens began dumping them on the world markets. Like what would happen to enter it like. It's just a total disastrous idea. We are now way too. Interwoven With China to for for these kinds of projects to actually work out. And then the other thing on top of what you were just saying that is that if what you wanted to do was isolate. China and begin to try to put them more in a box. Some kind of quasi containment strategy which I don't think you can do China's like not contain a bowl in that way anymore but what you would also be wanting to do then is really aggressively like building your relationships with the with our allies right. You'd really want the America to be respected on the world stage to be beloved by the people we work with Germany and America navigate relationship that U K in America great relationship like to have done something like the teepee which you know when you talk to. The Obama Administration was all in their head about asserting economic leadership in that region and like building a counterweight to China. There'd be all these things where you'd be you'd be doing on other fronts right. Like if you're GONNA be toughened agnostic with China you need to be actually bending over backwards to make other countries want to work with you and support you in that and of course. None of these people are doing that either. They're alienating all of our traditional allies so that it's like it is a weekend Sort of pathetic America like throwing these rhetorical lightning bolts China. And it's just not doing that much and it makes us look weak because we can't win that fight In Park as you point out the really is nothing to win but also in part because like the thing that actually makes us strong which is not just like ourselves. But the alliance's entrusts the world has us are are being degraded at the same time one actually so much trump's critique of US foreign policy has been exactly that has been saying look this sort of global alliance system that we built during the Cold War against so union involves the United States playing soccer in all these relationships which I think is not one hundred percent false right like that the way NATO works the way the US Japan alliance works the way the US South Korea allies works is an in both cases. We do give more than we get. And the reason we have all these alliances that are structured that way though is that having a global alliance network advanced a key American foreign policy priority which was containing and defeating the Soviet Union. Where's like Portugal on? Its own sort of doesn't care about something like that so we have all these asymmetrical deals. We're that the hub of hub-and-spoke alliance system and trump has been trying to take all that apart but if you are serious about some kind of bilateral international confrontation with China. That's what you would have to do Just like this idea that you know. We're going to sue. We're going to say OH. My grandpa died in corona virus. Going to sue the Chinese government. Like that's stupid. You know that that does pass the laugh test. I I would say you know some of what I've read about. This is just like oh well you know. The Chinese have a lot of irresponsible practices around how they handle biohazard so this is all their fault at. They really do seem to have a lot of irresponsible practices. I think the video are out your team put together before this happened about the Chinese wet markets really opened my eyes but I I also read this guy. Toby Ord spoke recently about existential risk. Yeah he's been on the Hughes on the bunch show the other day people should listen. They go he mentioned off. Hand this incident that I then looked into by googling and so in twenty eighteen un-american pharmaceutical company funded a small research team at the University of Alberta. And what they did was. They took horsebox. Dna samples that they ordered online and then using a published a prince of the smallpox DNA. They assembled a smallpox virus in a lab as they demonstrated that there's pox virus could reproduce and thankfully nothing terrible happened but if then experiment had gone wrong at least as I understand it. Hundreds of millions of people could have died and this is article in science about it. And there's all these other researchers that quoting they're like yeah. I don't know why somebody would do that. Like there's no legitimate scientific purpose for this. I really wish they hadn't published a paper about this because now all kinds of people terrorists. Anyone can look this up. It'd be like here's a blueprint to make a deadly bioweapon and I don't know this just happened without any. I don't remember it happening in two thousand eighteen and it was both. I think grossly irresponsible of the American Canadian governments to let this happen but I think it would be really wrong to suggest that Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau or members of the United States Congress were like culpable for this in any kind of specific way like it's just somehow the interaction of free speech and the scientific process and how the tour Spock's happens function allowed this to play out in in a weird way and it's it's actually like very bad like the world really needs some discussions in a serious way about what we're doing here as genetic research gets gets more and more advanced Because like this I don't WanNa be too dramatic but I don't think it's wrong to say that this cove nineteen pandemic. This is like the worst thing that has happened in our lives. Possibly for quite a bit longer than that and it's not even like the worst pandemic one could imagine and as much as we're still scrambling around to try to cope with this like. We're not doing anything. To address the underlying vulnerabilities which are scary. I mean they're terrified like this horrible and it could be so much worse so in ords book and I do recommend people. I just had on vacation about three weeks ago. He's really really thoughtful guy on these issues and we talk about them a lot something that he talks about that. I found really helpful. Because he's focused on existential risk right things that could kill off. All of humanity are all of human civilization. So if you imagine something that can kill like two hundred million people like that is not the thing. He is concerned about here so one of the questions he talks about in the book that I find really helpful. And I'm actually writing a piece about this and trump and trying to make this work right. Now is the idea of risk correlation. So when you're worried about these kinds of risks you're worried about things like nuclear weapons Runaway climate change it sets off a feedback loop that you can't get back under control. You're worried about bio engineered. Pandemics of certain kinds of natural dynamics are worried and in his case very much about like killer. Ai I like did it. I did it like all these things. People have heard okay so he asks his question which I thought was a really good question. Which is are there things that make all of these risks correlate off or down so is something that would make the risk of like both nuclear war and bioengineered pandemics end runaway climate change. Go Up at the same time. And he says yeah like think about a great power war if you knew that the US and China were going to go to war and the next thirty years. Wouldn't you think it is likelier that there's a nuclear exchange? There's a bio weapon unleashed and that the world is not able to get enough international cooperation to to stop climate change and something that emerges out of that is that the principle here is that a lot of what we need to do as humanity develops the capacity to destroy itself in all kinds of different ways and then keeps building the power to do that right like this capacity which we didn't have fifty years ago at the scale like easily engineer. Bioweapons what you need to do in that world is almost all international cooperation right. Everything we're talking about requires like very complex structures of international cooperation which we've done to some degree in the nuclear weapons space but much less than some of these other ones and not at all and some of the emergent ones and so that's where it becomes really important and really tricky. Because you can't say that we can't say anything bad about China. They do terrible things all the time like the week and also look at the secrecy at the beginning of this on the other hand to needlessly antagonize or even more to see anything good happen to China as literally bad for us to see zero SOM- to create a world where cooperation is basically impossible. Means that you're going to like drive. All these risks higher and that is like my concern about Donald Trump. Just broadly that he is a risk correlation problem like he's a risk factor for all kinds of bad things where he's taking a bunch of correlated risks. Making them all worse. I mean this one of the China's just a great example. The pandemic risk pays off in this horrifying waste and our living for this corona virus nightmare and he decides to choose on the other end of that to increase the risk of conflict with China and like for what because like he can't figure out another political pathway forward. It's like it's all very reckless but in terms of like how we should think about it. Voters and analysts. Like there's a lot of bad shit that can happen the world we are seeing some of it now but there is worshipped than this by far and like the answer to all of that is like we need global cooperation to deal with these problems because it can start anywhere and they require people all doing things at the same time and being honest with each other to stop them. And if we don't create a world conducive to global cooperation like our children our grandchildren will be living through worse than this. This is think you know a really profound problem of of politics as well as as policy though. Because you know one of the things that I think really comes out if you try to understand like what underlies a lot of the educational polarization and other things like that that we've seen in the American electorate and it's that we're highly educated. People are much more likely to see the world as full of positive sum type interactions and more working class. B Ball across like ratio on an identity divides or just more inclined to see zero-sum type conflicts and it's challenging traditionally what the United States in most other countries did was had a completely separate like elite track of foreign policy in which like the mandarins of the universe understood the value of international cooperation. And it was just sort of insulated from the the hurly-burly of politics. You know this is where the whole politics stops. The water's edge thing comes from the of the best and the brightest of foreign policy establishment. Things like that but as the group of educated people has gotten bigger right. They we have become more politically potent particularly inside the Democratic Party and more aligned with one party so now like the. The idea of cooperativeness is itself. Something that's in the debate politically and were. The numbers are not on the side of the pro cooperation tech people. And you know I. I think you did see that. In the in the twenty sixteen campaign that like trump wielded to great advantage. The idea that the way you could tell that he was on your side as an American worker is that he was against this disaster native global lead. That was selling America out to foreigners Asians but maybe other farmers and he very consistently presses that in a variety of friends right on on NATO and human rights is kind of like. What's in it for us kind of thing and it's not? It doesn't speak to me politically and it doesn't speak to the people I know. And it'll kind of thing that leads like Republicans who are foreign policy professional people to not like Donald Trump. But it's very potent. I mean John Kerry who did much better than Hillary Clinton with white working class voters. He had this line about. We shouldn't be opening fire houses in Baghdad. While we close them in Boston and drove like everybody in my office at the American prospect insane that he would say this because it was like such missed portrayal of the actual stakes in the Iraq war but like all indications are that like that was a really good. That was really good. Line that a good way to oppose the war was to suggest that Iraqis who are getting some kind of sweetheart deal that was shortchanging American firefighters. Which like you know we wanted to do. Take out like the rule-based international order and stuff like that and people didn't want to didn't want to hear it so from a narrow electoral point of view I feel like Biden has sort of done the right thing here by leaning into the Punch and pointing out all the ways in which trump was like so obsessed with his dumb soybean deal that he kinda like missed the boat on this. But you know if our politics actually does. Go down that road of like. We're just going to assert that anything that good happens to China's bad for US vice versa. You right like it's like you're not gonNA solve climate change on that basis to say nothing of some of these areas but in some ways more even more found problems. I think that's all correct having an think the politics of moving things from a zero-some conception to a positive someone is really hard and to me. It's like one of the unending political tasks of liberalism actually like trying to see the world in positive. Terms is hard because I it's often. I don't want to say it's unintuitive because we all have positive. Relations like marriages and friendships. And I mean they're they're in our life all the time but we also have a lot of zero someone's and it's very natural to think about deals zero-some we're taught to think about things zero-sum. I mean a lot of our stories are seeing things. Zero-sum like in story like in the mythos we grew up in people defeat each other. They don't negotiate with each other and like come like the like the villains in the heroes. Come up with a an an outcome. Everybody can live a bit better with Like I I read a lot of comic books and like one of the interesting things in comic books that has happened in the past. Couple of years is like a series and marvel that has been very quietly. Subversive called the. I think it's the unbeatable. Scroll girl and she's like constantly like figuring out positive some endings with food traditional marvel villains as opposed to destroying them and beating them to hell. And it's funny But it's funny because like it's a send up of the genre It's it's funny because it's weird I recommend the of the beatable Squirrel Girl. But this this to me is like it is the project of it is the project of politics to try to get people to see that like there's a better world for everyone it doesn't require them to like knock somebody else down but that's probably a good place to to close the weeds here. Yeah let's that Fun Fun Times. Thanks thanks a Winston our producer. Jeffrey guilt will be back on Tuesday.

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Satirist Randy Rainbow

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from Google from Connecticut California from Mississippi to Minnesota. Millions of businesses are using Google tools to grow online learn. How Google is supporting businesses in your state at Google dot com mm slash economic impact from W._h._y._y.? In Philadelphia I'm Terry Gross with fresh air today satirical songs about President trump written and performed by randy rainbows more than implicated for laws you violated and protocols you bree because without this thinking we could finally alsop drinking. If you have forgotten rainbow borrows the melody of show tunes and pop hits then writes his own lyrics performing the songs in videos that go viral rainbow says his father like trump was a narcissist these conversations that that the world is now having about trump's behavior conversations that were had within my my family about my dad. Constantly Rainbow was just nominated for an emmy and we feature our interview with former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens he died yesterday song parodies about about President Trump and members of his administration. That's what my guest randy. Rainbow has become famous for. He borrows the melodies of show tunes and pop hits and writes original lyrics. He took the melody of the Mary poppins Song Super Calo a fragile mystic expeditious and turned it into a trump song titled Super Callous Fragile Ego Centric braggadocious rainbow performs each song within a video that typically also includes him interviewing trump a trick rainbow accomplishes accomplishes by re editing videos of trump interviews and inserting himself asking the questions and reacting to the answers these youtube videos go viral and that's a tribute to rainbows clever lyrics. His great singing voice and Dan hilarious reaction shots yesterday right after we recorded our interview his youtube series of satirical songs was nominated for an emmy for outstanding short form variety series. Let's start with one of his songs that borrows hours the melody from my favorite things. This is trumps favorite things recorded last December. When special counsel Robert Muller was about to file memos about Michael Flynn Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort this starts with Randy Rainbow Interviewing president trump? Thank you so much for joining me Mr President. I hope you have been enjoying the holiday season so far I will tell you I'm extremely upbeat. The White House is running like a defenceless young child being teargassed at the Mexican border. Well oiled machine. Mine was just an expression. It's doing really well. I have great people speaking of criminals. This is a very big week for the Russia Investigation Memos about Michael Flynn Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort three high profile defendants are scheduled to be filed by special counsel Robert Muller so it's a scam there was no collusion whatsoever and the whole thing is a scam really because word on the street is that you're getting pretty scared well when anything bothers me or my entire family is about to be charged with treason I try hard to think of Nice things I mean there are so many things that make you happy and there are certain things that I don't like I think raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens destroying the first amendment white nationalists jet enough brutal dictators and coldhearted liars tyrants and traders and climate deniers five dollars spray tans with on Dir Iranians. These are a few of your favorite things uh burying tax returns after he filed them teargassing migrants for seeking asylum big fat ass buckets of Fried Chicken Wings. These are a few of your favorite. May I did nothing wrong blue collar workers backwards and beefy giant Hamburgers with extra Kofi siding with Saudi Arabian kings. These are a few of your favorite when your friend is flip when your days and your hair looks bad like right now just blame all the victims and phrase all the schmucks and you won't be <music>. How long is this which gone on it's gone on for what play dates and absolute power porn stars in playmates who charged by the hour bids at Fox News dance on his strings? These are up you of his favorite things I did nothing wrong long winded tweets with no spell check corrections Randy Rainbow Welcome to fresh air. I think you are so funny and so much fun to watch. Thank you for being on her. Thank thank you. It's my honor to be with you so you do your videos in your home alone. You direct yourself. <hes> how many I love your reaction shots because you have this like incredibly expressive face and really big is and your reaction shots to what the trump is saying are always like hilarious. How do you direct yourself? And how many takes do you do well I. I've I've kind of <hes> worked at down to about four or five takes because I could stay on there all day and <hes> you so as a director. I'm quite hard on myself. <hes> the reaction shots are are something that <hes> I've learned from my audiences is more valuable than I even knew. I think that I that I I did inherit a very expressive face from my mother and my grandmother and I yet sometimes just a look to the camera or slow burn says much more than than a even a you know a a song and it sounds like you know so you do this alone in your apartment very lonely existence Terry. I feel really sorry for you. Thank you for inviting me out doesn't happen often but it sounds like when you were a kid. You did similar stuff to spend a lot of time. I'm alone younger bedroom making videos but kind of videos. Did you make Oh God they real real classics real gems. I mean I you know I I would have like my little figurines might toy soldiers and things by soldiers but of course I mean barbies. He's sort of horrible <hes> d._I._Y.. Kind of Stop Stop Motion Animation. It was really bad and then I and then I <hes> you know I had a bunch of friends. I grew up doing <hes> feeder I would go to feeder camp and so I found a lot of like minded young kids who were into performance and we would get together and make videos and that's kind of how I got started in the sketch comedy world and that's what it ignited my interest there so we'll get back to theater camp in another question about your videos. Yeah you have an orchestra behind you. When you're singing in your video those kind of Karaoke versions of the show towns they are yes they're they're they are ripped karaoke versions that I that I play with breath and sort of fine tune and adjust to be you know unique to my videos and are you going to be sued by any of the States can go questioning? No I do have a very fancy <hes> lawyer now and <hes> what what I do <hes> falls pretty safely under fair use you know with parody and all of that so far say good okay. We'll see after this interview airs. Thank you are right. I don't think sometimes going to be suing you know. In your work and you believe it you mentioned sometime but I have. I'm happy to say heard from most of the composers that I have parodied everyone from some time to Stephen Schwartz to Andrew Lloyd Webber so everyone is pretty much on board so I have that in my corner to that's great that that <hes> The songwriters really love your work yeah so if you're just joining us my guest is Randy Rainbow who does song parodies like political ones using trump within the parodies and then doing songs about trump's so so this next song we're going to hear is he's in love and we're all GonNa Die Sung for Sung to the melody of I'm in love with a wonderful guy from South Pacific. That's right yeah this starts with with you interviewing president trump again taking trump answers and inserting your own questions and it starts at a little like take off of the bachelor so let's hear Randy Rainbow. He's in love and we're all going to die. I'm here now with the latest cast off from the Bachelor Hanoi fresh off his second meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. I don't see a rose. Does that mean no denuclearization. We didn't sign anything today. It didn't quite work out. Did you guys do it. I just don't think maybe either of a squirrel ready. Though does that mean we can expect a third day. We'll see what happens again. The relationship is very good. He likes me. I like him. Some people say oh you shouldn't like him. I said why shouldn't I like maybe maybe because he's a deranged dictator who starves his people and executes members of his own family but you know we all have my boyfriend doesn't put down the toilet seat so men well no I. I just think he's he's first of all. He's he's a character. What's your response to critics? Who accuse you of consistently siding with foreign adversaries over your own intelligence officials? Why shouldn't I like I like him? Get along great and what do you you say to those who worry that you're naievety and reckless behavior jeopardizing national security and putting us all in grave danger. We'll see what happens again. The relationship is very good. You would think he'd obey when his own Intel agencies. Tell him to watch out for Putin and Kim real personality and he's very smart he sharp as you can be a real leader but he's to ego centric to do what those men think is best for the country instead of for and he likes me. I like him like him. I said why should never like him. He says obedient desert tiny up for any Laos House on a nuclear this bottom line. I think he wants to get something done. His Own Daddy Issues Start Flaring Up. There's not a psychopath he can recess and shot convey bastardly here. Evey those sad lovely feelings he newspeak gets horny for absolute power treacherous goons put a gleam in his eye is taste in men stinks now. He says that he thinks he's in love and we're all GONNA die. Goes always mad mad crazy tie yrant who rapes and pillages murders in lines merely faux PAS. Hey let slide just because he's in lovely these wonderful <hes> office snitch under Rossano witch-hunter anyone who disagree he's a hater but ruthless dictators sure make him go weekend goes that's Randy Rainbow one of his many political song parodies to show tunes and pop songs. Have you learned a lot about writing lyrics from doing this. What I mean is like your patterning your lyrics on some of the best lyricist who've ever written for the stage and you're frequently following their rhyme schemes <hes> which are some sometimes pretty complicated <hes> depending on who who's worker doing but have you learned a lot from <hes> using the greatest lyricist work as your template to write your own lyrics yeah absolutely I have and <hes> I've pushed myself to do so because I always considered song parody <hes> kind of cheap and I've I've always been part of me a little embarrassed that I do it and then I'm kind of ripping off other people's work but it's only now that I'm that I've been doing it in that? I've gotten response from others <hes> including the actual artists who originated the work that I'm appreciating it as an art form but I think that <hes> I've pushed myself because I think that if I'm not gonNA write the original music go with the lyrics I better step it up. Bring something special and strong to the table. So how did you match trump's second meeting with Kim Jong Hoon with I'm in love with a wonderful guy. How did those things come together in your mind? Well that was one I think I think I have a I have a running list that I sort of refer to <hes> and that was a song that I wanted to do for a while so I had just been waiting for the right opportunity to do it. <hes> <hes> and <hes> you know just a classic love song so I figured it was right for him and Kim Kim's in love with him he with him so <hes> who are some of the lyricist you've come to really appreciate <hes> well. Santorum has always been a god to me <hes>. He's really the main one <hes> but I appreciate I mean Lin Manuel. Miranda is fabulous <hes> so I know Sondheim from one of your favorite lyricist loves puzzles but you puzzles to as a kid right I I did have a thing for mazes. When I was a kid I remember drawing little mazes constantly and puzzles? I loved that and I remember to sort of tie it together. I when I started listening to Sondheim's music I always envisioned. I always pictured a puzzle because that's sort of how his lyric writing is you know very carefully and masterfully putting a puzzle together and so when I got to know him and was invited to his home and I saw that he's a collector of of Puzzles <hes> it was quite a full circle moment. How did you get to know some time well? I've been friends with his now husband <hes> for many years and so I was first introduced him about ten years ago when I was working with him with Jeff Who's now working with me on my tour so that's how he first came into my life and since then he's he's become something of a mentor and a and a great support. Does he ever give you advice on lyrics. He knows better than that. You know he's he knows who the master he does. He's very generous. He's extremely generous and he will complement me all the time and say your lyrics are so strong and you know how. How do you do it to which I say Steve? You know you wouldn't get it. I have a gift not automatic. Explain it to you. <hes> so you know you've mentioned that a lot of songwriters like your work. I know a lot of Broadway people love your work. What about President trump and vice president pence have they are big fans every Sunday yeah and they they brought pink eyeglasses in honor of yours as you know <hes>? I haven't heard from anyone in the administration. <hes> you know I've heard through the grapevine that people. In the administration are fans but no one has directly reached out to me. I'm trying every day to you know at least be blocked by him on twitter but there has been no connection haven't gotten for you now but I'm working on it okay so let's hear another song and this is to the tune of sixteen going on seventeen from the sound of music and the song is about President Trump's endorsement of Roy Moore the former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. This is one more was running for the Senate against Democrat Democrat Doug Jones and trump endorsed more in spite of the fact that several women had come forward and accused Moore of sexual misconduct with them when they were underage girls so the song is about those girls and it starts off with verse about the girl who who became his wife and the setup is that Randy Rainbow is interviewing Kellyanne Conway who is defending trump's endorsement of more so it start. We're going to start by hearing Kellyanne so the president has said the allegations are traveling. They're also forty years old. Nobody came forward before the guys went on the ballot many times Doug Jones is a Liberal Democrat. The president has said and he doesn't WanNa Liberal Democrat representing Alabama United States Senate. Wait Kellyanne with if your ass she needs. It's time that you surrender. He are backing a man who admits that he's a bona fide sex offender did we oh <music>. Excuse me excuse me in Roy Moore's memoir. I like big butts. He recounts Romantically the first time he laid eyes on his wife. Kayla writing quote. I attended a dance recital and remember one of the special dances performed by a young woman whose first and last names began with the letter k. I always remembered her initials K. K. because they were just one case a short of being awesome. I'm paraphrasing that last part <hes> well. There's just one troubling part about that time line and it's that <hes> meeting shoe was sixteen going on in Seventeen Roy Moore was thirty to lay grandly lusting is justice gusting and frankly so are you. She was seventeen going on a team when she went out with more Pinkett says smear look he signed her yearbook when he was thirty full gear comes deefat trump and McConnell Mike and fascistic false cake with protecting old men. That's funny what is the price Republican candidate even though he may be criminal deplorable immoral illegitimate is he vote vote for Roy Moore she was that's Randy Rainbow and if you wanna see more of his videos they're all on YouTube <hes> and that was recorded December eleventh twenty seventeen and if you think that that's wrong as hopelessly out of date because this Roy Moore lost consider that in June Roy Moore announced Hinton's on running again for the Senate <hes> so sixteen going on seventeen seems like an obvious song choice to use for the Roy Moore story but how did you make that connection in your mind. It seems obvious after somebody makes the connection for you. But how did you think of using that melody. You know what I think that one was <hes> a request. Now I have this nice following so sometimes times I will take requests from from my fans online and I think that was one of them. Have you heard from Roy Moore now. Surprisingly he hasn't been to one of my meet and greets. My guest is Randy Rainbow. Yesterday he was nominated for an emmy for his youtube series of videos featuring him performing his satirical songs about President Trump and his administration. We'll talk more after a break and will listen back to my twenty eleven interview with former Supreme Court justice this John Paul Stevens he died yesterday at the age of ninety nine. I'm Terry Gross and this is fresh air support for N._P._R.. And the following message come from Exxon Mobil the company that's working to bring affordable scalable carbon capture to industries trees around the world. It's one of the few technologies that could help decarbonised industrial plants by capturing C._O.. Two at its source experts agree that it will also play a critical role in reducing global carbon emissions find out more at energy factor dot com Tom. Let's get back to my interview with Randy Rainbow. He writes and performs song parodies about President Trump and his administration rainbow uses the melodies of show tunes and pop hits and writes original lyrics is youtube videos IOS were just nominated for an emmy for outstanding short form variety series so you are in like your mid thirties when people started to really know you <hes>. Did you think like it wasn't going to happen that you weren't GonNa the have the career you wanted that you'd be doing like other jobs you know and then you know moonlighting with things that you wanted to do. I think other people probably thought that about me but I have some kind of weird inner quality politic that <hes> it's just a confidence that I have. I'm very I'm not very sure of anything in my life but there's always been something in me that has known that I'm GonNa get where I'm going one way or the other so it really was never a concern to me. I always knew if I just stuck to my guns and did what I wanted to do and put out work that I thought was good and funny and entertaining <hes> it would work out. You say you had this like confidence but at the same same time based on what I read. You didn't have that confidence when you were auditioning cattle calls for Broadway shows no. I've never been good at auditions. That's why this this whole Internet thing we've got going has been such a blessing for me and the fact that I've been able to utilize it to to get myself out there. <hes> is really something. I'm really grateful for because it's given me the opportunity to produce things. Do you know for myself in the way that I want to present myself to the world <hes> and then put them out there. I don't know if I didn't have that ability that things would have taken off as they did sensibility wise you or like the opposite of Donald Trump but in spite of being so different from trump. You said that trump reminds you of your father yet. Trump is absolutely a carbon copy of my father well just just behaviorally and <hes> so much so that <hes> my father who's no longer with us. He actually died shortly after trump's election but his campaign was going on <hes> you know at the end of his life and even he said <hes> that he couldn't watch trump on T._v.. because it reminded him so much of himself <hes> so these conversations that that the world is now having about trump's behavior conversations that were had within my family about my dad constantly so I think that's kind of why I I really have his number. So what were the similarities just that kind of phony <hes> bravado and there's just like a you know. I hate to put down any group. Group of people but th there's just a generation of like New York Guy <hes> that <hes> he just came from that stock and it it was just <hes> there was nothing genuine nothing introspective <hes> <hes> it was just textbook narcissism and <hes> I think <hes> there are there's a large group of of men who are like that so how did that affect you growing up while it was hard I mean it was it made things very uncomfortable in my home and <hes> you know which is why I was locked in my room making videos with my Barbie dolls <hes> it was not a pleasant experience. It was not a pleasant environment meant <hes> because it really just he was the nucleus and it just revolved around this man who was really sick. was He ever in therapy. No I don't believe so now he had no interest. I don't think again he he really had no idea that there was anything wrong with him. It was everybody else. was there this feeling in the house unless your father was was pleased that the that there would be like a dark cloud hanging over the family absolutely yeah and it was a fulltime job to sort of you know try to brush the cloud away and you know that's why I was really happy at twenty one to to leave the house and that's kind of where when when my life really began and I kind of came Matt of my shell how what was his reaction to you being gay he he was you know for as negative of a force he was in my life he was also he was not the the worst he was a very tolerant <hes> and did not mind at all that I was gay. He also claims to have had no idea growing up so that shows you sort of how you know. I'm trapped in his own brain he was he had you know. It was a total shock to him. When I came out which was kind of absurd but your mother said she always knew she was well? She made this guy because that's the way it works yeah <hes> so she was quoted in The Washington Washington Post as saying she knew that you were gay when you're three yeah and I guess you know I'll quote unquote says I knew he was gay. By the time he was three. He was constantly putting on shows and making the girls be the prince he was always Snow White. It's true we would do major productions in my backyard and <hes> I I was really a nightmare to work with as a director and <hes> yeah there was a lot of gender swapping. Do you think that that was happening today. Your mother would think gee is my is my child trance should I I often think of that and <hes> I don't know I she very well might and <hes> I think that because I was a an effeminate kid and <hes> but I don't necessarily think you know I I know I'm not trans. I don't feel I don't think I ever felt that I was trapped in the wrong body <hes> but <hes> yeah I think that the the lines are a little little blurred. Now and people are still kind of figuring those things out I hear directly from parents all the time who have those questions so what were the first musicals. Your mother took you to the first musical as well. Yeah I have this thing with the cats no shade to Andrew Lloyd Webber but you know back Tucson time I remember being in New York and seeing the commercial for into the woods on T._v.. And that was all I wanted to see it's all I cared about <hes> but much to my chagrin the first show they it took me to his cats and so I remember having a you know a temper tantrum walking under the marquee for into the woods but she would put my mother put me to bed I mean talking about making may joke but only half she would put me to sleep with the cast recordings according to Oklahoma and the music man and <hes> I think that contributed a lot to my musicality and my love for Musical Theater for sure you've done a parody of trouble in river city. Yes I opened my life. Show with it. Now actually really yeah. Oh do you want to you want and do a similar pattern for US sure <hes>. I said you got trouble my friends right here. You got trouble right here. In America sure I'm a liberal and a gay a mighty proud to say well. I'm Kinda scared to say it. I admit that when trump through his name in the race I assumed he was joking. You you know how he jokes about stuff with his cool swag as orange face and then he started showing up winning in the polls like a lot and I was like Oh bleep. It's better with the band Terry will have a live show. No that that is great. Let's take a short break break and then we'll talk some more. If you're just joining us. My guest is Randy Rainbow and he does really funny song parodies about President Trump. We'll be right back after a break. This is fresh air. This message comes from N._P._R.. Sponsor discover with the discovery miles card. 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He writes and performs satirical songs about President Trump and his administration ration- Rainbow writes original lyrics set to the melody of show tunes and pop hits. You always wanted to get back to New York and try Broadway so when you got to New York when you're in your twenties. What did you addition for? What were those auditions sounds like <hes> I came to New York and I put the whole thing on hold because I was terrified twenty one year old and more like fifteen because I'd just had not at all grown up? I don't know what gave me the courage to even come here and live on my own <hes> but I just knew this is where I belong but I did not go right into <hes> the musical theater audition thing <hes> I instead worked in a lot of offices and restaurants on some things like that did any of the <hes> like food restaurant bar kind of jobs. You have have a theatrical aspect to it like a piano bar well. The first restaurant I worked in was hooters. Yes okay. That's you don't have what you would typically takes to work there well. That's very rude of you to say but no I when I first moved to New York my dear friend from a childhood was was working at hooters a as a waitress and said the the manager here is gay guy and if you come in he'll probably give you a job so I worked first at at hooters as a host so you can imagine the look of dismay on the gentleman's faces when they would come in after a hard day's work and I'd be standing being there with my clipboard <hes> so that was the first thing but that led to my working at the <hes> restaurant in Chelsea which eventually led <hes> because of a friend who worked there then started working at a production office Broadway production office where I became a receptionist and that was kind of where I got my foot back in show business a little bit they were working on shows at the time like hairspray and the revival of Sweeney Todd with Patti Lupone so for me it was heaven because I I was sitting behind the desk and at any given moment Patti lupone would call or Elaine stritch would walk through the front door and I couldn't get over my life. Did you talk with them a little bit. I was so scared out of my wits that you know not much came out but yeah. Add Some Interactions Dino Patti lupone better now. Do I know her better. No I don't but I did do before trump came along and I was doing those more non-political videos. I did a series of videos where I would lip sync INC to Patti lupone autobiography the Audio Book of it and <hes> that was actually a fairly a at least among the gay and Broadway communities was kind of <hes> fairly successful series for me and understand that she was a fan of that. I hope so how did you how did you think of doing. I don't know I think I was just drunk. One night and listening to have you heard her autobiography the The audiobook version I highly recommend it. It's eight years of Patti lupone just letting everyone and just <hes> you know just <hes> I it just it moved me to <hes> sort of act it out and add some drama to it and and some visuals let's close with a son Heim melody that you used for a parody. This is the Muller Blues and this was recorded in March Twenty Eighth Twenty nineteen and it's to the melody of the God. Why don't you love me blues from San Jose Stephen Sondheim show follies so talk about what you're doing? In the song well this for me was the perfect song to kind of pinpoint the emotions that everyone was feeling that week because because <hes> the mother report had come out but it hadn't really and people were happy and they were not than they were frustrated. It was just everyone was sort of running this gamut of emotions and so my mind immediately daily went to this song <hes> which kind of encapsulates that feeling of being all over the place yeah and he is almost having a little nervous breakdown. Yeah brings this yeah so <hes> this was recorded right right after the mullahs report was released but then right now. I think you're waiting for Robert Muller to testify so that you can write a Robert Muller testifying parody I am. I've been waiting for some time now. They keep pushing it <hes> Yeah I. I'm toying with a few ideas but I I don't think I'll really know which direction I'll take until I see the testimony well while we're waiting for you to write and then posted on Youtube. Let's let's hear your song from March of this year. The mother Blues Randy Rainbow. It's just been great to talk with you. Thank you so much and please keep doing what you're doing and do other things too. 'cause I look. I look forward to seeing you in a Broadway show or on T._v.. Hopewell from thank you Terry. It's been a pleasure to talk to you and to you and I should say that this song starts with you. <hes> being interviewed so to speak by Wolf Blitzer of C._N._N.. About the results of Robert Muller's investigation into the trump campaign coordination with the Russians and then you start seeing the results of the investigation according to the Special Counsel Robert Muller the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired conspired or coordinated with the Russian government. Are you ready to accept that conclusion from Robert Muller hundred percent will this is only good news for the country and I am here today to say that I'm ready to leave this behind best and move on without some big song and dance. Excuse me O._M._G.. He's reached a conclusion only. I'm sorry to curse bitch. Thankfully there's been no collusion. So why don't I feel better yet. In fact I feel word mobile report now turned in Robert. Muller's work is older. It's lasted twenty two months. It's no wonder we're stressed O._S.. Shrink adjusts the things that we learned or not what we guest and as for the rest we may never know how much if anything will America get to see. I've got those it's finally overweight wait. It's only just beginning those damn you Robert Muller. I mean thank you for your service. Via Laing's does give me that report now. Throw the trash bin congratulations since Hannity but wait. What did you win? Those what about obstruction here comes Rudy Guiliani really over. Can we still indict Ivanka blue. Robert Mueller has delivered his his report but the political fight over it is just beginning repeatedly. He stated no collusion. He said I guess that he was right. Are there any Russians here tonight is he. Exonerated exoneration technically thickly not quite muller stopping short of exonerating president his comments were off color. We kicked their it. Constantly deny no collusion collusion's yokel slander. Mr Moon has been a witch hunt now liquid his his favorite guy. I've got all this Nancy. Go and get on never mind girl. I'm exhausted. What the Hell is Comi doing standing in a forest <music> bartender? We're going to need to refill my club and since there's no collusion. Could you make something up and why does Evans callaway more followers than I do. Those is it over what has happened just arrest Ivanka. Where's the ask God to give it to me? I don't want black white red blue left right. Thank you though away now. Please TV Robert Muller no no collusion page. That's Randy Rainbow Song the Robert Muller Blues. You can hear more of his songs on his website. His videos were just nominated for an emmy in the category outstanding Short Form Variety Series Hillary Zuma's national performing tour next month coming up. We'll listen back to my interview with former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens he died yesterday. This is fresh air. This message comes from N._P._R.. SPONSOR WICKS DOT COM with wicks. 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Comcast business is helping businesses go beyond the expected to do the extraordinary comcast business beyond fast asked visit comcast business dot com restrictions apply actual speeds vary and are not guaranteed former Supreme Court justice. John Paul Stevens died yesterday at age ninety nine. We're going to listen back to our interview with Stevens. Justice Justice Stevens was appointed by President Ford and served on the court for thirty five years before retiring in twenty ten. Some of Stephen's best known opinions were his dissenting ones including Bush v Gore and citizens united he also. Also wrote the majority opinion for the court in two cases that successfully challenged the Bush administration's approach to the war on terror Stevens kept writing in his retirement last year. He wrote an op Ed for the New York Times after a school shooting arguing for the repeal of the Second Amendment. I spoke with Stevens in twenty eleven after he'd retired and written a memoir called five chiefs just Stevens welcome to fresh air. It's an honor to heavy on the show. Is it something of a relief to be retired and not have the weight of having to make these really important to you know opinions on really important cases that will affect the future of the country. The answer is yes. It's definitely a relief although I do miss the work and which I enjoyed very much but <hes> it is it is a relief one of your most famous. Dissenting opinions was also one of your last. It was the citizens united case for which you wrote a Ninety d page dissenting opinion that is that's really long isn't it that is long. That's probably why a lot of people who haven't bothered to read it all so this is the decision that overturned constraints on corporate spending and political campaigns and said <hes> that limits on corporate spending infringed on corporations freedom of speech. Why were you so angry about this decision? Well I don't angry as is the word or not. I thought it was <hes> incorrect. In in several respects respects at the beginning of my my ninety pages I explain <hes> why the court would have been wiser to decide the case on narrower grounds because I think it's always a good craftsmanship in administering the law to decide cases on narrow grounds particularly constitutional cases when you have the opportunity to do so and as I explained in the opinion there were narrower grounds that would not have caused a major change in the law but that could have been used to decide the case so you're talking about deciding on narrower terms and <hes> you write that you saw it as conservative judicial activism when the Court sent back the lawyers in the citizens united case as and ask them to bring a more expensive version of the case in to address broader issues about the relationship of corporations to the First Amendment and <hes> the way the Supreme Court decided the case infringing on corporate spending was seen as infringing the corporations right to free speech and also acquainting corporations right to free speech with an individual's right to free speech correct me if I got any of that Ron you've got it right okay. So what were you surprised to see the Supreme Court equate a corporations right to free speech with an individual's right to free speech. Well not entirely because some years ago just as Paul had written in opinion in in a case which held that a First Amendment does protect a corporations right to communicate with the public on issues of general public interest but in that opinion he carefully distinguished speech about general issues from election campaigns the election campaign in many many respects is a like a debate between two adversaries which some believe in gluten surely me that it's wise to have rules that that make the debate fair to both sides and lead to a reason decision rather than one based on how much money one has or or some <hes> non reason factor a question about Bush v or you described the story in the book. It's the Florida recount is happening. <hes> in this contested election and the Bush camp wants to take it to the Supreme Court and have the Supreme Court halt the recount and as that process is is is beginning to set in motion you run into Justice Briar at a Christmas party and in casual conversation you both agree. This is a kind of frivolous case. It doesn't stand a chance of actually being accepted by the Supreme Court the Supreme Court isn't going to hear it and then much to your surprise the Supreme Court hears and rules in favor of the Bush camp and stopping the Florida recount. What surprised you most in the argument that was made by the justices who wanted to not only hear the case but stopped the recount well? I guess the thing that surprised me. Most was the fact that any justice thought that there was irreparable injury shown by <hes> the petitioners that would justify <hes> the accurate was taken so <hes> because this was such a big decision in the country was so divided in the election was so close. was there a lot of tension in the court while that decision was in process. I don't think I should comment on what went on within the court. I can say that it was a consistent listen to what I said. At the end of the brief I think that the justices a respected one another <hes> for the views expressed it strikes me of all the Supreme Court decisions that I've ever tried to talk about on the air with justice and I've only interviewed you and Justice Briar but that one seems like like I don't WanNa go there. That seems like the decision that justices. I really don't want to talk about in public. I suppose that's right at the end of course <hes>. I don't think it's a decision that has been cited since it was handed down and when you put on your judicial robe did it transform you in any way and I'm thinking you know how actors always say when they put on a certain costume they feel more in character at helps some get into the role did putting on the judicial robe give you the sense of gravity <hes> of of the occasion I frankly hadn't thought of it the other way but that may well be true because it it is a solemn occasion when when you get ready to go on the bench and confront the issues that you have to confront is a judge or a justice and are the ropes like custom made for each judger g go to like a you know rogue road supply store and just pick out your size. That's the one <hes> tax deduction. The judges remember if you buy new rose. I think that's that's a business expense in can't be deducted <hes> but <hes> in in fact my original roads were given to me by my former partners when I when I went on the bench and I continued to wear them to be up. Perhaps she happier than they should have. Thank you so so much for talking with us and thank you for your service to the country. Thank you very much enjoyed our conversation. My interview with former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens was recorded in twenty eleven. He died died yesterday at the age of ninety nine and <music> tomorrow on fresh air. My guest will be journalists Garrett graff who's covered federal law enforcement for more than a decade and has been writing about the border patrol and the roots of the current humanitarian crisis at the southern border. I hope you'll join us. Our technical director is Audrey Bentham. Our engineer today is Adam Stanishev Ski. 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Emmys Week: Billy Eichner & Randy Rainbow

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Emmys Week: Billy Eichner & Randy Rainbow

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from hulu with untouchable a new documentary about harvey weinstein's rise to power and subsequent fall watch this sundance danse twenty nineteen officials selection on hulu on september second from w._h._y._y. In philadelphia this is fresh air. I'm david being cooley in for terry gross today. A emmy week continues with two nominees for outstanding short form variety series one is randy rainbow for his comic song video satirizing president trump and his administration ministration. You'd be more than implicated for laws you violated and protocols you bree because without with this thinking we could finally alsop drinking if you ever got and the other is billy eichner for his series billy on the street he's obsessed assessed with pop culture and billy on the street is a crazy manic show which takes place on the streets of manhattan. Hey guys it's billy well. The measles are back and so are the jonas brothers so we're about the hit the streets and help new yorkers. Welcome back ready jonas brothers yeah. Let's go get this week. We've you've been featuring interviews with. Some of the artists nominated for emmy awards. Today we're featuring to people who shows up this year. In the short form variety series category later on we'll listen back to tears recent conversation with randy rainbow star of youtube music spoof series the randy rainbow show but i will visit with billy eichner eichner. Who's billy on the street. Series also has received an emmy nomination. Billy eichner is known now for a variety of roles including billy in difficult people and several different parts on american horror story but he first got noticed and continues to get noticed for billy on the street which you can now see on youtube youtube. Eichner is obsessed with pop culture and billy on the street is a crazy manic quiz show in which he's the host the streets of manhattan or the studio. Oh and the contestants are strangers. He runs up to asking such questions as name a celebrity. That's redefining hollywood's beauty standards. Sometimes he bring celebrities with him to do the questioning. When terry gross spoke with billy eichner 2016 she began with then current clip from billy on the street in which he was giving a pop quiz to a random passer-by on new york sidewalk billy eichner welcome to fresh air hi terry. Thank you for having me my pleasure. Thanks i find really funny about your show. Is it gives us like huge significance to the more trivial aspects of pop culture so here you are on the the street. There's just like stopping people who have no clue what's going on and asking them questions and this is an excerpt of billy eichner t._v. Show billy on the street mis- smith's mis- mis- mis- mis- did you hear that reese witherspoon celebrated her fortieth birthday in style. Excuse me miss miss. Please turn around reese. Witherspoon witherspoon celebrated her fortieth birthday in sil- she had had a great time i understand but she celebrated her fortieth birthday and she had a wonderful time she. I had a great night sir. Do you want to go the full monty full monty yeah. I don't know what what are you telling me a card game. No means we get naked uh-huh okay sorry new girl having a quiet renaissance. I don't think so okay ms for a dollar vince gilligan j.j abrams shonda rhimes. Are you excited to be living the time when t._v. Creators themselves are known personalities. I didn't get a questions are am. They condemn meadow of my talking about vince gilligan created breaking bad. Oh okay. I know about this t._v. Show but i didn't watch. What shows do you watch. I really really i'm working like fourteen hours. A day believes ten hours by the time i get home. I'm super tired but it doesn't take much. You sit on your couch fire up the d._v._r. I watched american horror story. Okay that's good. That's a start okay so what was the question about like asking me about shonda rhimes ryan murphy too though a great example okay but what was the question i didn't get excited needed to be living in a time when t._v. Creators themselves are known personality. I really don't care. I don't know i think that's hilarious. Thank you are these actual headlines. These sound like they really are ripped out of entertainment magazines and <hes> you you know entertainment headlines the kinds of headlines though that like hype things that reese witherspoon celebrated her fortieth birthday in style style like yes sometimes i do find these things in a magazine entertainment website <hes> and if they're not at certainly it's meant to sound like that it just the idea that someone's going about their day in new york on the way to the job running to catch the bus pick their kit from daycare but i'm gonna stop you and ask about kate winslet's. It's oscar chances right. That's that's the general idea yeah like the world is going to hell you find out about how people feel about living in a world where t._v. Creators themselves are becoming known personalities exactly exactly but i love it because i think people think that you're like insulting the people on the street but i think you're just kind of making fun of a certain type of pop culture writing and away a certain type of fandom in a certain kind of like exaggerated importance to things even though you are truly passionate about this stuff as am i mean i'm so deep into pop culture too but i think i think it's hilarious to make fun of it in this way exactly and i think the whole show is about my own personal. Love hate relationship with my interest in the entertainment industry as i've gotten older. I realized it's ridiculous. Award shows are fun but completely arbitrary and absurd and yet i will we'll watch every single one of them. Billy on street is inspired by that. Love hate relationship so we heard you saying for a dollar color and then you'd ask a question what's the dollar about is that meant to be like the reward forgetting a right or a way of paying them for legal reasons so that they can't for being used freely in the video. No it's not for legal reasons it. This show is also among other things a strange <unk> type of game show and when we started out the idea was to make a game show but where the questions were subjective so a person would quote unquote win if we had the same opinion if they agreed with me or even if we just get along if i simply liked you and their prize would be a dollar <hes> i just. I just thought that was funny. It was also especially when it started out a very low budget show and so we're giving away as little as humanly possible. You'd be surprised though people people really want that dollar. I keep thinking as although i think what you do on the street is hilarious. If i didn't know who you were and i saw you coming at me with a mike. I would turn and run in the other direction because most people do do they really yeah. I would say nine of ten people simply walk past me and don't engage at all <hes> and that's fine. You know i certainly won't i won't i rarely will if someone's just clearly uninterested interested. They're not going to be fun anyway. They're clearly in a rush. They probably won't stop sign the release after which means we can't use the footage so i certainly won't give anyone a hard time about that and yeah the people are we don't script this show. We don't pre-cast the show we go out there. I go up to people. I don't even know who i'm going to go up to until i'm there so if someone walks away from me we just just let them walk and i move on to the next person so what's the anger is responsive garden. There was an older lady back in my a youtube days who slapped me across the face <hes> i asked her something vaguely sexual. I honestly don't even remember what it was. This is going back a while <hes> him and i loved it i mean i thought it was hilarious and i'm surprised doesn't happen more often but you know i think new yorkers they're media. Savvy people have a sense of humor even if they don't want to ultimately be on the show and not sign you know if they don't sign the release. They're not necessarily gonna hit me. <hes> and that's really the most physical response we've gotten. I've had a lot of arguments with people but it's never really gotten physical so did you try stand up comedy before doing what you do. Now i started out as a very traditional actor. I went to north western. I was a theater major there and and then when i got to new york after college i was doing the typical struggling actor thing and people who had told me that i was funny. I would ad lib and plays even if i wasn't supposed to so i thought i should maybe try to focus on comedy. You did some acting as a kid right and you. You had a little cameo on saturday night live when you were playing john good. Did you edition for other roles and for commercials i i did. I did a couple of commercials. <hes> i did industrials. Whicher almost like after school specials else did i do. I didn't do much i i. I really wanted to be on broadway as a singer but i was already six feet tall. I was really fat as a kid. I just was and there weren't in many roles for me. I remember i auditioned for it's funny. I just saw the broadway revival of falsettoes which is beautiful and maybe my favorite musical of all all time. Certainly one of them and one of the leads in that is a thirteen year old jewish. Could it's about him. Getting bar mitzvah audition for the original production when i was twelve twelve or thirteen and james levine the director after i sang went out into the waiting room and told my dad that i was really good but i was already taller than the actor playing my my stepfather even at that age and so this being a running theme i was too tall. I was to this. I was to that and then i never fully committed to the child actor thing i also liked being a regular kid and being a student <hes> i ended up deciding not to go to performing arts high school and instead going to stuyvesant which is the specialized math and science high school of all things so i liked being a student and i got back into theater in a major way in college. Was your father father impressed when james lepine told him that you are good even though you were wrong for the role yes he. My dad went to all my auditions with me. My mom couldn't get off work <unk> as easily and my dad could <hes>. I don't think my dad got a kick out of the whole thing because he loves show business from afar <hes> and yeah my dad loved. I remember he a- as soon as we left that audition this is just coming back to me. Now we stopped at a payphone. There were no cellphones and he called my manager and told my manager what james lupine had said and my dad was not a stage dad in any way he didn't push me. It was all about what i wanted to do. I didn't wanna do but he loves that. Someone said i was talented. James pine wrote the book for sometimes musical into the woods for people who don't know who he is. Yes he's a very celebrated broadway director raider so as a as a as a boy you are able to addition in the role of annie right because all the girls like broadway stars stars they get to do any no. I did not audition for anne. That would've been very nontraditional casting probably about five minutes from that production so when you were in high school and you were too tall to get kid parts in shows and you were too heavy for a lot of those parts to <hes> you were also gay. Did you know you're gay. Oh yeah definitely knew i was gay. Did other people uh-huh no. I came out when i came out to my friends when i wa- well i bet they knew but no one was saying anything. <hes> <hes> i came out at the end of my sophomore year at northwestern to my friends <hes> and then i came out to my parents about a year after that. Was anyone surprised. I don't think so i remember when i told my parents i came out to them. In a car at northwestern they'd come out to visit me and the time had come. My mom kind of was pressing me. I think she just wanted me to say it so he asked me if i was dating a one and she said are you dating anyone boy girl whatever and that was actually really really nice. She knew yes that was her way of saying she knew and that it was okay for me to tell them and and i ask them few <hes> like an hour later after that dinner. I asked them to pull the car over and i told them that i was gay and they said that they had discussed the possibility that they were okay with it but they were really wonderful again. I was really lucky they we're very supportive and it just never was an issue. You've spoken very fondly about your parents who <hes> have both passed away. Your mother died. I think when you're twenty and your father in two thousand eleven <hes> was your had your mother been ill. Did you know i know that this was no. My mom had a heart attack. <hes> and it came out of nowhere. She was fifty four. My dad had leukemia for about route three months. He was eighty when he passed my dad had me later in life <hes> and so he had he had leukemia and was alive live for about three months between diagnosis and passing away. What's the transition been like for you to be somebody without parents errands after having been so close to yours yes. It's been <hes> a very strange trajectory projector e because i struggled for so many years i mean i was doing these videos. I was doing these live shows. I had a lot of fans in new york. The press would write about me but i couldn't get a paying job and so my father and i were really like a team i mean he was very supportive. He'd come to every single. One of my live shows. My mom had passed away at that point. She passed away. When i was in college and then strangely my dad passed away on march thirtieth two thousand eleven and about six weeks later i finally sold billy on the street as a t._v. Show and in december of that year it was on the air on the network started on fuse and and that all happened in one year <hes> so that obviously was to say the least very bitter sweet because my dad just quite light just missed seeing it all come to fruition finally and certainly has missed everything that's happened for me since and a lot of nice things have happened for me so that that is tough <hes> but i also know that you know they were so great <hes> that that really has stayed with me and they would have been so excited <hes> <hes> i i do think there would have been a lot of funny moments in the way that they process my fame a whole my celebrity encounters and i do think about that <hes> but obviously it's. It's a very sad and timing is everything. Were you grateful that you were able to come out to your parents before your mother died not necessarily because it was a big revelation to her because she probably knew more so that you knew that you weren't keeping it's actually kind of fundamental thing secret from her. You know never having spoken to her about something that was you know so fundamental to who you are. Yes and i remember thinking about that a lot because i came out to her about six months before she died. I i believe and i am very happy about that. <hes> i think that would have been that would have been difficult. That would have been very frustrating. Had that not happened. My guess is billy eichner. He does the series billy on the street in which he quizzes people on pop culture questions. You did a really funny video. That's to play on new york state of mind but this is forest hills state of mind because you grew up in forest hills queens which <hes> i guess when you were growing up. It was a predominantly jewish neighborhood. It was a very eastern european jewish russian area <hes> okay so i thought we could hear a little bit of forest hill state of mind line and this is you rapping with rachel trach singing and you wanna say anything about this before we hear it. When did you make it. This was done late two two thousand ten. I believe the jay z alicia keys song empire state of mind about his experience growing up in new york was a huge hit and i rewrote it to be about my experience growing up bene- very different part of new york than he did and we made a video of it and it's actually my first video to go viral before the billy on the street videos so we're gonna play a part of it where the language languages cleaning up that we can actually broadcast it so here's billy eichner playing sports. I prefer the mall. You're not good at basketball. Just because you're tall strutting running down seventy i and continental they made me get permits foot by was don't love playing clue hated playing yahtzee ironically. My rabbi was a bar mitzvah. It's fun and no. I didn't wanna theme of my bar. Mitzvah party was madonna the u. in they haven't heard that one in a while <hes> inherently funny to you for you to be doing hip hop for you to be doing like a jay z thing by talking about your bar mitzvah. Yes i mean it was very it's very incongruous of and it's one of those things. I just thought it was silly. I made that video for you to with friends of mine from high school just just as a whim and it ended up getting shared a lot and actually put me on the radar of a lot of blogs and things who then because of that video started discovering my billy on the street videos which were already online but no one was watching them so you're close with joan rivers for awhile and she was the first famous person to really help you with your career. Did she give you advice about insulting people in your app. Joan gave me a a lot of advice over the years and the main advice. Joan gave me is to stick with it because there had been a point point when i remember emailing her. Maybe this was two thousand ten or something like that. Two thousand nine and i said joan i don't know what to do. The new york times james wrote about me. People write about me. Oh you're oh he's a genius blah. Blah blah blah blah and i'm not saying any of that is true but people were very complimentary of my live show and of the videos but no one was hiring me like my dad used to say if you're such a genius. Why can't you get three lines on law and order this literally. You said that to me you know my dad was a native new yorker to an older guy and he just called it like it is and although he thought i was very talented i wasn't making a dime i would get little gigs here and air but nothing substantial and i email joan and i said joan. Can i come see your stand-up. She did stand up every week in new york at a little theater in mid town. She gave all the proceeds to charities. You just like performing so i went to see her and she said it took me seven years. It might take you longer. She was talking about the time between when she started stand up when she first i think got on the tonight show and she said you gotta stick with it and she was very complimentary and very encouraging and that wasn't a moment when my dad was starting to get you know i was in my early thirties. It wasn't so cute anymore. It's one thing to be struggling and i really making money in your early twenties and figuring out your life early thirties you start to wonder. Is this ever going to happen and i was lucky in so far as my dad because he was a bit older he he was the same age as they were in the same generation so he understood he remember joan from way back. Joan rivers to him was huge when i went home when i called my dad ad and said hey this is what joan rivers said joan rivers things. I've got what it takes. She said that she's all these young comics coming up and that i was on on their level and that she just thinks it's going to take the right person to come along and put me in the right project and that i should stick with it and that she thinks this is going to happen for me and that really dot com my dad down billy eichner. Thank you so much. It's really been fun to talk with you. Thank you thank you terry. This was my pleasure. It's an honor thank you billy eichner speaking terry gross in two thousand sixteen. He's the host and star of billy on the street which is up for an emmy award is outstanding short form variety series after a break. We'll hear from another artist artist. Who's competing in the same category randy rainbow star of the musical comedy showcase the randy rainbow show. I'm david being cooley and this is fresh air support support for this podcast and the following message come from home instead senior care bonnie a home instead caregiver works to enhance the lives of her aging clients and and their families here. She shares her golden rule for care. I would want her to be treated the way i'd want to be treated i come in and take care of her do offer the person care needs that she she needs down and make sure she stays comfortable in her own home. We have a good time. We're best friends. 'til learn more about home. Instead senior cares in home care options goto home instead dot com this week we've been featuring interviews with performers and writers who were up for emmy awards at next month's ceremonies today. We're spending time with two of the nominees in the category of outstanding short form variety series randy rainbow. Bill is the star and creator of youtube. 's the randy rainbow show which features brilliant song parodies about president trump and members of his administration randy andy rainbow borrows the melodies of show tunes and pop hits and rates original lyrics for instance. He took the melody of the mary poppins song super calo fragile listrik x._p. Biella dossiers and turned it into a trump song titled super callous fragile egos centric braggadocious rainbow performs each song within a video one that typically also includes him interviewing trump a trick rainbow accomplishes by re editing videos of trump interviews and inserting himself asking the questions christians and reacting to the answers these youtube videos go viral attribute to rainbows clever lyrics strong singing voice and hilarious reaction shots <music> terry began the interview by playing one of his songs which borrows the melody from my favorite things. This is trumps. Favorite things recorded last december. When special counsel robert muller was about to file memos about michael flynn michael cohen and paul manafort this starts with randy rainbow interviewing the president trump. Thank you so much for joining me mr president. I hope you have been enjoying the holiday season. So far. I will tell you i'm extremely upbeat eight. The white house is running like a defenseless young child being teargassed at the mexican border. Well oiled machine. Mine was just an expression. It's doing really well. I have great people speaking of criminals. This is a very big week. Four the russia investigation and <hes> memos about michael flynn michael cohen and paul manafort three high profile defendants are scheduled to be filed l. by special counsel robert muller. It's a scam. There was no collusion whatsoever and the whole thing is a scam really because word on on the street is that you're getting pretty scared when anything bothers me or my entire family is about to be charged with treason. I try to think of nice things i mean there. There are so many things that make you happy and there are certain things that i don't like i think <hes> raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens destroying the first amendment white nationalists jet enough brutal dictators and cold hearted liars tavern sent traders and climate and nyerere's five taller spray tans with under iranians. These are a few of your favorite burying tax tax returns after he asylum teargassing migrants for seeking asylum big fat ass bucket of fried chicken wings. Bees are a few of your favorite sayings. I did nothing warm blue collar workers backwoods and beefy giant hamburgers burgers with extra kofi siding with saudi arabian canes. These are a few of your favorite in your friend is flip when your days and your hair looks bad like right now just blame all the victims and phrase all smokes. You won't be long is this which on gun on it's gone on for what the play dates and absolute power porn stars in playmates who charged by the hour of bits at fox news dance on his strings. These are up you who of his favorite things i did nothing wrong long winded tweets with no spell check corrections ray randy rainbow welcome to fresh air. I think you are so funny on and so much fun to watch. Thank you for being on her. Thank you it's my honor to be with you. You have an orchestra behind you. When you're singing in your video those kind of karaoke versions of the show towns they are yes they're. They're they are ripped karaoke versions that i that i play with and sort of fine tune and adjust to be you know unique to my videos and are you going to be sued by any of the states now that can go to questioning no. I do have a very fancy the <hes> lawyer now and <hes> what i do <hes> falls pretty safely under fair use you know with parody and all of that so far so good okay uh-huh we'll see after this interview airs right. I don't think sometimes going to be suing you know. Can you believe it. You mentioned some time but i have i've. I'm happy to say heard from most of the composers that i have parodied everyone from some time to stephen schwartz to android weber so everyone is pretty much on board so i have have that in my corner to that's great that <hes> the songwriters really love your work yeah. Have you learned a lot about writing lyrics from doing in this out. What i mean is like your patterning your lyrics on some of the best lyricist who've ever written for the stage and you're frequently following doing their rhyme schemes <hes> which are some sometimes pretty complicated <hes> depending on who who's worker doing but have you learned a lot from from using the greatest lyricist work as your template to write your own lyrics yeah absolutely i have and <hes> i've pushed i myself to do so because i always considered song parody <hes> kind of cheap and i've i've always been part. Give me a little embarrassed that i do it and then i'm you know kind of ripping off other people's work but it's only now that i'm that i've been doing it and then i've gotten <hes> response from others <hes> including the actual artists who originated the work that i'm appreciating it as an art form but i think that <hes> i've pushed myself because i think that if i'm not gonna write the original music to go with the lyrics i better step it up and bring something special and strong the table <hes> so i know sondheim one of your favorite lyricist loves puzzles but you let puzzles to as a kid right i i did have a thing thing for mazes. When i was a kid i remember drawing little mazes constantly and puzzles. I love that and i remember to sort of tie together. I when i started listening to sondheim's music i always envisioned. I always pictured a a puzzle because that's sort of how his lyric writing is a you very carefully masterfully putting a puzzle together and so when i got to know him and was invited to his home and i saw that he's a collector of of puzzles <hes> it was quite a full circle moment and since then he's he's become something of a mentor. We're in a an a great support. Does he ever give you advice on lyrics. He knows better than non tariff. No he's the master he does. He's very generous. He's extremely generous and he will complement me all the time and say your lyrics are so strong and you know how. How do you do it to which i say steve. You wouldn't get it advocate. Explain it to you. Let's take ticket short break and then we'll talk some more. If you're just joining us my guest is randy rainbow and he does really funny song parodies about typically president president trump or sometimes mike pence. We'll be right back after a break. This is fresh air. This message comes from n._p._r. 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You should definitely tune in my guest is randy rainbow and he writes and records song parodies parodies usually taking broadway melodies and setting his own satirical lyrics to them <hes> so you know you mentioned that a lot of songwriters writers like your work. I know a lot of broadway. People love your work. What about president trump and vice president pence have they are big fans shrek sunday yeah yeah and they they brought pink eyeglasses in honor of yours as lou you know <hes> i haven't heard from anyone in the administration <hes> <hes> you know i've heard through the grapevine that people in the administration are fans <hes> but no one has directly reached out to me. I'm trying every day to you know at at least be blocked by him on twitter but there has been no connection haven't got enough for you now but i'm working on it okay so let's her another song and this says to the tune of sixteen going on seventeen from the sound of music in the song is about president trump's endorsement of roy moore the former chief justice of the alabama supreme court art mrs one more was running for the senate against democrat doug jones and trump endorsed more in spite of the fact that several women had come forward and accused moore of sexual rule misconduct with them when they were underage girls so the song is about those girls and it starts off with a verse about the girl who became his wife and the setup is that randy rainbow is interviewing kellyanne conway who is defending trump's endorsement of more so it start. We're going to start by hearing kellyanne lillian so the president has said the allegations are traveling. They're also forty years old. Nobody came forward before the guys went on the ballot many times doug jones is a liberal democrat. The president said and he doesn't want to live on the democrat representing alabama united states senate. Wait kellyanne with your ashy knees. It's the time that you surrender. You are backing a man who admits that he's a bona fide sex offender under <music>. Excuse me excuse me roy moore's memoir. I like big butts. He recounts romantically the first time he laid eyes on his wife. Kayla writing quote. I attended a dance recital and remember one of the special dances performed by young woman whose first and last names began with the letter k. I always remembered bird. Her initials k. k. because they were just one case short of being awesome. I'm paraphrasing that last part but well. There's just <hes> when troubling part about that time line and it's that <hes> meeting she was sixteen going on seventeen. Roy moore was thirty two league grandly. Lusting is justice gusting and frankly so are you ooh. She was seventeen going on eighteen when she went out with more pinkett says smear look east signed her yearbook when he was thirty full here comes trump and mcconnell donald. Mike and fascistic false equipped attacting old men. That's a funny what is the price of public and candidate. Even though he made criminal deplorable horrible immoral illegitimate only is he vote for roy moore it was so that's randy rainbow and if you wanna see more of his videos they're all on youtube <hes> and that was recorded december eleventh twenty seventeen eighteen <hes> so sixteen going on seventeen seems like an obvious song choice to use for the roy moore story but how did did you make that connection in your mind. It seems obvious after somebody makes the connection for you. But how did you think of using that melody. You know what i think that one was <hes> a request. Now i have this nice following so sometimes i will take requests at from from my fans online and i think that was one of them. Have you heard from roy moore now. Surprisingly one of my meet-and-greet k. sensibility wise you or like the opposite of donald trump but in spite of being so different from trump. You've said that trump reminds you of your father yet. Trump is absolutely a carbon copy of my father. Well just just behaviorally and <hes> so much so that my father who's no longer with us. He actually died shortly after trump's election but his campaign was going on <hes> you know at the end of his life and even he said <hes> that he couldn't watch trump on t._v. Because it reminded him so much of himself <hes> so these conversations that that the world is now having about trump's behavior conversations that were had within my family about my dad constantly so i think that's kind of why i really have his number. So what were the similarities just that kind of phony bravado and there's just like a you know i hate to put down any group of people oh but there's just a generation of like new york guy <hes> that he just came from that stock and it it it was just <hes> there was nothing genuine nothing introspective <hes> it was sued just textbook narcissism and <hes> i think think <hes> there are there's a a large group of men who are like that was there. There's feeling in the house unless your father was was pleased that the that there would be like a dark cloud hanging over the family absolutely yeah and it was a fulltime job to sort of you know try to brush the cloud away and you know that's why i was really happy at twenty one to to leave the house and that's kind of where when when my life really began and i kind of came matt of my shell how what was his reaction to you being gay he he was you know for as negative <music> a a force he was in my life he was also he was not the worst he was a very tolerant and <hes> did not mind at all that i was gay. He also claims to have had no idea growing up. So that shows you sort of how you know trapped in his own brain he was he had you know is a total shock to him. When i came out which was kind of absurd but your mother said she always knew she was well. She made this guy yeah yeah. 'cause that's the way it works yeah. So what were the first musicals. Your mother took you to the first musicals well yeah. I have this thing with <hes> cats no shade to android weber but you know back to san time i remember being in new york and seeing the commercial for into the woods on t._v. And that was all i wanted into see it's all i cared about <hes> but much to my chagrin the first show they took me to his cats and so i remember having a you know a temper tantrum walking under the marquee for into the woods but she would put my mother put me to bed. I mean talking about making me gay i joke but only half she would put me to sleep with the cast recordings to oklahoma and the music man and <hes>. I think that contributed a lot to my musicality my love for musical theater for sure. You always wanted to get back to new york and try broadway rodway so when you got to new york when you're in your twenties. What did you addition for. What with those additions like <hes>. I came to new york and i put the whole thing on hold because i was terrified twenty one year old and more like fifteen because i just had not at all grown up. I don't know what what gave me the courage to even come here and live on my own <hes> but i just knew this is where i belong but i did not go right into the musical go feeder audition thing <hes> i instead worked in a lot of offices and restaurants and things like that did any of the <hes> like food restaurant are kind of jobs. You have have a theatrical aspect to it like a piano bar. Well the first restaurant i worked in and was hooters okay. That's you don't have what you would typically takes to work there well. That's very root of you to say but when i first moved to new york my dear friend from childhood was was working at hooters <hes> as a waitress and said the the manager here is is a gay guy and if you come in probably of your job so i worked first at at hooters as a host so you can imagine the look of dismay on the gentleman's faces when they would come in after a hard day's work and be standing there with my clipboard <hes> so that was the first thing but that led to my working at the <hes> restaurant in chelsea which eventually led <hes> because ah friend who worked there then started working at a production off broadway production office where i became a receptionist and that was kind of where i got my foot back in show business a little bit they were working on shows at the time like hair spray and the revival of sweeney todd with patti lupone so for me it was heaven because kais i was sitting behind the desk and at any given moment patti lupone would call or elaine stritch would walk through the front door and i couldn't get over my life. Did you talk talk with him a little bit. I was so scared out of my wits that you know not much came out but yeah i had some interactions dino. Patti lupone better now. Do i know her better than no. I don't but i did do before trump came along and i was doing those more non-political videos. I did a series of videos where i would lip sync to patti lupone. 's autobiography audiobook of it and <hes> that was actually a fairly a- at least among the gay and broadway communities was kind of a fairly successful series forming and i understand that she was a fan of that. I hope so how did you how did you think of doing. I don't know i was just drunk. One night and listening to have you heard her autobiography. The the audiobook version i highly recommended it's eight years of patti lupone cohn just letting everyone habit and just <hes> you know just <hes> it just it moved me to who <hes> sort of act it out and add some drama to it and and some visuals. My guest is randy rainbow. We'll talk more after a break. This is fresh air support for this podcast comes from h._b._o.'s limited series our boys the gripping true story of the tragic events that led to war in gaza in two thousand fourteen israel is shaking when three jewish teenagers are murdered by hamas militants when a palestinian boy goes missing tensions escalate into violence our boys follows the riveting investigation and reveals how the jewish and arab communities were forever transformed based on actual events watch watch our boys mondays at nine pm only on h._b._o. Support for this podcast and the following message come from the walton family foundation where opportunity unity takes root more information is available at walton family foundation dot org. Let's close with a son heim melody that you i used for a parody. This is the muller blues and this was recorded in march twentieth two thousand nineteen and it's to the melody of the god. Why don't you love me blue's from san hi stephen sondheim show follies talk about what you're doing in this song well this for me was the perfect song to kind of of <hes> pinpoint the emotions that everyone was feeling that week because <hes> the mullahs report had come out <hes> but it hadn't really and <hes> people were were were happy and they were not than they were frustrated. It was just everyone was sort of running the gamut of emotions and so my mind immediately went to the song <hes> which kind of encapsulates that feeling of being all over the place and he is almost having a little nervous breakdown. Yeah brings us yeah <hes> so <hes> this was recorded right after the mullahs report was released randy rainbow. It's just been great to talk with you. Thank thank you so much and please keep doing what you're doing and do other things too because i look. I look forward to seeing you in a broadway show or on t._v. From your mouth thank you terry. It's been a pleasure to talk talk to you and to you and i should say that this song starts with you. <hes> being interviewed so to speak by wolf blitzer of c._n._n. About the results of robert muller's investigation into the trump campaign coordination with the russians and then you start seeing the results of the investigation according to the special counsel robert muller the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government are are you ready to accept that conclusion from robert muller hundred percent wolf. This is only good news for the country and i am here today to say that i'm ready the to leave this behind us and move on without some big song and dance. Excuse me ah o._m._g. He's reached a conclusion only. I'm sorry to curse bitch. Thankfully there's been no collusion. So why don't i feel better yet. In fact i feel word report now turned in robert. Muller's work is older. It's lasted twenty two months. It's no wonder we're are stressed. Always rica just let the things that we learned or guest and asked for the rest. We may never know <music> how much if anything will american get to see got though a it's finally overweight. It's only just beginning lou so those damn you robert muller. I mean thank you for your service via a does that report now. Throw this trash bin and congratulations hannity but wait what you win. Those what about obstruction here comes rudy. Giuliani visit rally over. Can we still indict funke. Blizzard robert muller has delivered his report but the political fight over it is just beginning repeatedly. Peter lee he stated no collusion. He said i guess that he was right. Are there any russians here tonight. As he exonerated exoneration exoneration technically not quite muller stopping short of exonerating president his comments were off color. We kicked their ass. It constantly deny no no collusion collusion's. Mr moon entire thing has been a witch hunt now liquids his favorite guy. I have god nancy never mind girl. I'm exhausted. Mom knows what the hell is. Comi doing standing in a forest l._a. Bartender we're going to need to refill mike and since there's no collusion. Could you make something up and why does devon's cow have way more followers than i do. Those is it over. What just happened just arrest of ongo. Where's the last i gotta see. Give it to me. I don't want it. Yes black white red blue left right thank you though away robert muller victory uh no collusion page randy rainbow speaking to terry gross earlier this year he and billy eichner both are among the emmy nominees this year here in the category of outstanding short form variety series the emmys will be awarded next month. We'll conclude our salute to emmy nominees on monday. We'll hear from mhm nominee. Raphael bob wexford creator of the adult animated comedy series beau jack horsemen and from the two women who were the creators and stars of the hulu series penn fifteen fifteen about the anxiety and embarrassments of middle school in puberty hope you can join us. Uh the fresh air's executive producer is danny milk. Our technical director and engineer is audrey bentham with additional engineering support from joyce lieberman and jillian hurts. Our associate producer for digital media is molly seavy nesper. Roberta shorrock directs the show for terry gross. I'm david pat <music> <music>.

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Best Of: TV Critic Emily Nussbaum / Satirist Randy Rainbow

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Best Of: TV Critic Emily Nussbaum / Satirist Randy Rainbow

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from frame bridge they make custom framing easy and affordable frame your art in photos at frame bridge dot com or visit their new stores located on Fourteenth Street and Bethesda row. Get fifteen percent off your first frame bridge order with Code N._P._R.. From W._H._y._y.. In Philadelphia I'm Terry Gross with fresh air weekend today. What should we do with the art of terrible men? That's the subject of an essay in the new collection by New Yorker TV critic Emily Nussbaum she wrote that essay after the Harvey Weinstein Story broke and the metoo movement caught on part of this period has caused me to rethink. What does it mean to actually talk talk about art that is just soaked in the crimes of the person who created it also Maureen Corrigan reviews a new novel she says as a smart repulsive story about racism class and the limits of individual possibility and we hear satirical songs about President trump written and performed by Randy Rainbow with the crimes you've been fixed and you could be another Nixon if you only got uh support for this podcast and the following message come from Exxon Mobil the company that believes that carbon capture technologies are critical for Lowering Global C._O.? Two emissions and more and more scientists agree as a leader and capturing emissions and its own operations rations Exxon Mobil is working on ways to make this technology more efficient and affordable for other industries as well. That's the unexpected energy of Exxon Mobil find out more at energy factor dot com my guest Emily Nussbaum mm-hmm is the TV critic for the New Yorker. She's known for reviews in which he hashes out questions about how gender race and sexuality figure into T._v.. Shows and our perceptions of them. She's also known for her sharp writing her wit and her tweets. It's she has a new collection of essays and reviews titled. I like to watch arguing my way through the T._v.. Revolution she writes that growing up in the seventies she loved T._v.. But also regarded it in the way that Americans had been taught to since the the nineteen fifties television was junk the show that changed her mind the show that made her want to write about T._v.. Was a show that wasn't considered prestige TV buffy. The Vampire slayer Nussbaum had been working toward and her doctorate in literature expecting to have an academic career but television won her contribution to TV criticism was acknowledged with the Pulitzer Prize for criticism in two thousand Sixteen Emily Nussbaum welcome to fresh air. Thank you for having me so you've written one of the most interesting essays I've read that is about quote. What should we do with the art of terrible men unquote and it's become an inescapable question in this era when we're learning about so many men who've behaved saved inappropriately including sexual assault so what is the question? You're asking yourself when we say what should we do with the art of terrible men well first of all. I'd like to say that I wrote this piece because when I was working on the book it was the fall of two thousand seventeen and one of the first thing that happened as I prepared to write new essays was that the Harvey Weinstein piece came out and the doors opened and they're the modern metoo movement began and and this piece is my attempt to wrestle with what was going on because it was really the only thing in my head <hes> and I don't think I'm alone in this but <hes> a friend of mine called it the audit which is essentially people people thinking back on their whole life and their relationship with these issues and for me as an arts critic part of this was about me wrestling with the nature of my relationship with a lot of these guys <hes> and so this piece is partially Liam Memoir and it's partially an analysis that is me struggling with the question of separating the artists from the art which is obviously a huge issue for arts critic but it's also with me just wrestling with these issues personally like how I was shaped raped by this art what my values are all of those kinds of things see make the point like decent people sometimes great bad art and immoral people cannon have created transcendent works. was there appeared just thought the answer was simple. Judge the work the the person yes I. I think that in a lot of ways and I I've been thinking a lot about this because I think when I was in college I specifically had a strong sense of resentment. At the idea of any kind of censorship ship. This was in the eighty s it was during the rise of the Feminist Anti Pornography Movement and I felt this incredible resentment. This is a specific political context that it is is is hard to recall and kind of even to bring back but I think that the feeling thing that I heard about it was you can't tell me what I can look at. You can't tell me what I can say and I had this general sense that I really wanted to expose myself to the broadest range of art anything even if it would shake me up or upset me or traumatize me so in a certain way like I feel like that shaped my attitudes as a modern person and part of that was the feeling of wanting to be able to explore the art of <hes> people who wrote about certainly like shameful or upsetting things <music> but part of the reason I wrote this because I began to question the notion that I had that the job of the arts critic was actually to compartmentalize and to essentially take the biography a little bit outside of the art. I don't think that's really possible <hes> Eh don't come up with a lot of solutions here but I essentially try to walk through my thinking and explored the contradictions sometimes in some fairly emotional ways that are remained confusing for me. Who are some of the artists were fume? You had the closest relationship as a viewer <hes> who you are most disturbed about when you found out about their behavior behavior that forced you to think to reconsider what you thought about their work well. The piece starts with my relationship with Woody Allen and I I have to say I read a variety of essays often by arts critics about this subject and each each of them has a kind of primal person who is the one who troubles them and I have a few in this essay but the thing is straightforwardly. I describe myself as being a creature of Woody Allen like when I was a kid and a teenager he was one of my favorite artists. I saw all his movies. I read his books. I listened to his comedy albums. I probably mimicked him. I mean a lot of my ideas about the world were shaped through his work. So there's a level where I think I call him my the base coat for my sensibility and I think that that a lot of us have this artists who are so formative that to reject their work and who they are would be <hes> basically dishonest. You can't pretend that you aren't you are that you haven't read and seen what you've read in that your ideas aren't what they are and so I talk about Woody Allen. I also talk about <hes> a variety of people I talk about Roman Polanski. I talk about Bill Cosby. I talk about Louis C._K.. Quite a bit <hes> I talk about <hes> Philip Roth author John Updike. I mean I sort of take it through my upbringing in. I also talk about people who I'm not so personally connected with and one of the things I discussed in the pieces. Is it a lot easier to come to conclusions about people who don't raise enormous emotional kind of conflicts in you and for me. Bill Cosby is one of those people because I basically do a whole discussion of the meaning of the cosby show but I was not a fan of bill cosby. I was a fan of <hes> of Woody Allen and I talk about the my the change in my mindset about him during the various revelations about him in different periods in my own history so just the do people who've referred to Woody Allen and Roman Polanski we're are. Are you on their work now. Do you still love Rosemary's baby and can you still watch woody Allen movies. I do love her as Mary's baby. Rosemary's baby is a a very relevant movie. Rosemary's baby is a a brilliant dark comedy horror film about gas lighting and about rape culture. I mean that's true despite Roman Polanski's behavior and their stuff that <hes> I tried to think about in this particular essay I think I said something like it's a <hes>. It's a feminist masterpiece created by sex criminal. You don't have to solve that contradiction to engage with it and that's what I think people kind of have to do. I mean that's the one part of it that is somewhat prescriptive scripted at least for me is I'm like I have to find a way to wrestle with this art that doesn't involve just shutting off my knowledge of the person who created I that's one of the that's it's one of the works that I have a relatively uncomplicated feeling about. I realized other people may feel differently about it. Woody Allen is different for me. One of the things that I attempted to do is to think a little bit about his movies in in the peace because part of the project of that was to think well what would it mean to be a critic who actually did not have disconnected separate the artists from the art attitude. I have trouble watching Woody Allen movies. I think it's because I have such an emotional relationship with his history. That has nothing to do with some moral sense of people should or shouldn't I mean some things are just got responses. His work makes me uncomfortable but I did. I re watched husbands and wives while I was working on the book. <hes> and I think that's a very powerful movie. The thing is it came out at the point that <hes> the Suny Previn situation was going on in the press and so actually it's ironic because that movie really was washed over by the news at the time people received the movie as nothing but a confession of bad personal behavior and maybe part of that is true but I do think it's a good movie. I don't know I I have. I clearly have a lot of difficulty not simply being blunt when I'm when and I'm like no this is good anyway but it doesn't mean that I'm advising other people that they should watch it because I do think I will say that there's an economic argument for rejecting work by people who have gotten away with crimes and that's simply different aren't than critical argument about it. which is the one that I'm thinking about here so I want to ask you about Louis C.? K. You write about him and <hes> you know. You've been reviewing his T._v.. Shows let's start with what did you think about his work before the allegations of sexual misconduct well. It's funny because my first review of his show actually almost loops back to my later feelings my first review this show is a mixed review that basically suggested that although the show was formerly league great and experimental there was something wrong with the main character because it was this slightly manipulative sad sack and I think I called him like a resentful Charlie Brown and I had some problems with that but I changed my mind <hes> I actually wrote a profile of him at at one point and I also wrote a rave review of the third season of the show where I still have very strong feelings about how great some of those episodes are <hes>. I'm sorry I'm trying to answer what you're saying so how did that. How did that change over time? That's how I felt. That's how I felt earlier is that I felt that I felt that the show the show altered T._v.. Because he was doing it by himself. which is not the way that comedies are generally made? He was using independent didn't film models. He was doing a certain kind of mixture of comedy and drama that was new in a certain kind of confessional stuff that was new and this is still true. That show was extremely influential and one of the interesting things to me is that a lot of the women who have later criticized Louis and a lot of the men involved in the metoo movement made shows that used the tools that Louis created in order to put the Lens on something very different so I'm talking about like Lena Dunham Girls <hes> I'm talking about Pignataro and one Mississippi <hes> there were a variety of female creators who basically used this sort of quasi confessional model that he helped to spearhead but that doesn't mean he owns it. It just means it ended up ironically being a useful tool to condemn him. <hes> which I find kind of a powerful thing about art in general so where are you now. You wrote this essay in two thousand seventeen eighteen and have your thoughts changed at all since then about separating the artist from the art they have but one of the things that I think that anybody who reads us. We'll see is that it's not that my ideas have changed. I mean my ideas have changed but <hes> my ideas about art itself and the specific way of writing about artists are in flux and some of them are contradictory because one of the things that I do believe is that although it's tempting to try to erase and push off the work of people who have all sorts of shady or sketchy kinds of personas in real life either because they've committed crimes or they're just creepy for some reason. Dan Doesn't work for me like I actually have a real desire to wrestle with people's art regardless of who they are in real life but the only part that I do come down on is that I think it's valuable to actually think about art in the context context of the culture and that includes the art of people like Bill Cosby. One of the things that I tried to do here is to take the cosby show and say I understand the economic arguments for acting like it doesn't exist if you act like the cosby show doesn't exist ATV makes less sense. If you write about television you have to wrestle with the nature of that show and the show is interesting. I mean the show's not interesting because it's popular the show is interesting because it had a big effect as a mirror reflecting people and it it carried on the model of father knows best and sort of shows about fathers on T._v. and expanded it to black people. It's the precursor to amazing shows like Atlanta and Blackish and if you just pluck it out and act like it's not there there it's it's I think you lose something major. I also think it's an interesting show because bill cosby at the time that he made that used the show to access his victims but he was also a prominent male feminist that show is a lot about gender. It's about respecting affecting women and I think it's worthwhile to actually let that contradiction be part of what people say about the show like end to to not just put blinkers on Patou actually interrogate it. It's meaningful and that's just one example but a part of this is mean trying to find a way like howdy right about the stuff in a way that is engaged intelligent searching curious and not simply <hes> diagnosing it for or problematic qualities but actually engaging in the meaning of it within the larger culture. That's the goal. That's not something you know. Everybody always achieves. I really like art that gets to the darkest parts of human nature the kinds of things that no one will admit to or talk about without her there at the same time I'm not comfortable with the people who act out the darkest parts of human nature and I think I you know I'm I'm trying to understand <hes> that attraction to art that shows that darkness but you know but rejection my rejection of the people who actually acted out autumn. Obviously we should reject that behavior for reasons. I mean the reasons to reject that behavior is really obvious <hes> but anyways it's this is not a carefully formulated thought yet but is there anything you want to say about that. Well I I first of all I sympathize with this feeling of I am attracted to a lot of art that expresses taboo shameful things honestly and again leaving aside people's behavior because sometimes people create art that addresses those things are not at all messed up criminal people. It's the nature of art to be able to talk about things that people are afraid to talk about. It's valuable. It makes people feel less ashamed. I mean it's part of the IT shakes people up and that's part of what artists supposed to do but yeah I I don't have a solution for this end and I also think it's pretty complicated because it's different with different artists artists who create confessional work that in the aftermath of some revelations start to seem like them showing off and just saying I did this in front of people is going to make people people more uncomfortable than someone like Miles Davis who created art that is not directly autobiographical but was while he was making it an incredibly violent and abusive person to his wife something he bragged about in a memoir. I I mean I. I personally like feel like one of the weird things about this period. Is You end up holding people more responsible for narrative stuff that seems directly relatable to their lives whereas people committed horrible crimes of it just beautiful music. That seems seems abstract art it sort of easier to act like there's a separate thing with them. I don't know I don't have a solution to it but but on the other hand. I don't think that the idea is that people should only make a clean illuminating aspirational art a the whole point of a good artist artist is to be able to wrestle with monkey things <hes> yeah like messy messy things not mocking things. My guest is Emily Nussbaum TV critic for the New Yorker and author of the new collection of essays and reviews who's called. I like to watch arguing my way through the T._v.. Revolution we'll talk more after a break and Maureen Corrigan will review a new novel. She describes as a story about racism class and the limits of individual possibility. I'm Terry Gross and this is fresh weekend support for this N._p._R.. PODCAST and the following message come from better help better help offers licensed professional counselors who specialize in issues such as depression stress anxiety and more connect with your professional oh counselor in a safe and private online environments at your convenience. Get help at your own time and your own pace schedule secure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist visit better help dot com slash fresh air to learn more and get ten percent off your first month. Let's get back to my interview with Emily. Nussbaum the TV critic for the New Yorker. She has a new collection of essays and reviews called. I like to watch arguing my way through the T._v.. Revolution listen she won a Pulitzer Prize for criticism and twenty sixteen. She often writes about how gender race and sexuality figure into T._V.. Shows you had been when you were younger and you were in college and then Grad School you had been planning a life that revolved around books working on your P._H._d.. In literature I think you're special. Your area of <hes> studies was Victorian Literature <hes> so I'm sure now you do a lot more watching than you do. Reading people think of reading is being more active more stimulating for the brain and T._v.. Is being more passive more potentially mind numbing. You believe any of that you know I first of all. I wish I had more time to read. I do read this is just a time management problem. There's Enough T._v.. That I need to watch that I feel by nature that it squeezes out the amount of time that I have to read. I don't have an informed idea about the facility of reading versus viewing. I mean that's a matter for scientists. As far as I'm concerned. The only thing I can say just from experience is there are shows that I've watched that have had a cataclysmic emotional and intellectual effect on me. That's exactly what art should do oh so and their stuff that's sophisticated and their stuff that's just funny and soothing and you know all the things that you go to an art and there are books that I've read that were bad. You know it's like any art. Form has good versions of itself in bad versions of itself. I've actually refused to appear on any panels that are titled. I have in the past but I won't anymore. That are titled Ease TV. The new novel or is T._V.. The new movies like this was a very consistent thing when I started my career is every panel channel was framed around kind of random Salcombe robot matchup of either of these forms as far as I'm concerned. They're in competition economically. Artistically you know let a hundred flowers bloom like everything is valuable in its own way and they don't need to be <hes> intention with one another you can love novels and Love T._v.. Shows and not feel like they have to be placed in some sort of hierarchy. That's the way I feel about it when you I started reviewing you're reviewing poetry books and you stop doing it in part because nobody reads like very few people read poetry books. If you gave up poetry book that bad review work that somebody had spent years writing for which there was like no money virtually no audience with then get a bad review in return and that just seemed like too painful for you to deliver <hes> but you give bad reviews when necessary necessary to T._v.. Shows and I'm wondering how you feel about that and especially as a woman because I think women have been socialized at least in the past women were socialized to be nice to be liked to be approved of and saying negative things in public about somebody or their work can be a very difficult transition to make <hes> so what was that like for you to make the transition into you know giving bad reviews of television Asia. I think what you say is true. I can think of some fairly steering female critics in one of the things I like about <hes> writing about T._v.. Is that <hes>. There are a lot of I mean. I'm hardly alone in being a woman in critic television. It's a very it's there's it's a gender mixed this less diverse and other ways but there's when I was writing about true detective one of the things that was gratifying with the people I was arguing with about it. We're not man it was women who disagreed some of them loved the show and that was very satisfying but as far as Panico the the the rule that I came up in my head when I started because it's true for me I I mean I think other people are different in this way but to me panning something and specifically painting poetry at the time felt cruel well in a way that was uncomfortable for me apparently painting television Phil Cruel in a way that was comfortable for me so I the rule that I came up with was I felt like I still sort of feel this way that I'm writing a negative review of of a television show was a way appraising television because it was a way of showing that you had high standards and expected that it could be good whereas a lot of T._v.. Criticism had sort of padded things on the head for just being a little bit good like good job T._v.. Show like it couldn't do more I will we'll say and I think this is true with a lot of critics the older I get the more I'm just natively aware of the fact that writing critical things is by nature a hurtful act and that doesn't mean that I don't do it but I'm just I'm aware in the way that I'm like when I write a critical review and I don't always achieve this but the goal is to do it in a way that even if it's harsh is respectful of the show that it's not just cheap shots but I think that's generally true of I mean honestly it's true positive reviews to you like the the ambition that you have is that the criticism itself should hold up as a response to the show that it should be a meaningful response in not just an empty one but you know you can't headed every time that's the goal emily NUSSBAUM westbound. Thank you so much for talking with us. Thank you so much. Emily Nussbaum is the TV critic for the New Yorker her new collection of reviews and essays as called. I liked to watch arguing my way through the T._v.. Revolution when novelist Alexi Zentner was eighteen years old his parents office was firebombed by White Supremacists. His parents were both clinical social. The workers and Activists Against Racism and anti-semitism that violent confrontation with racial hatred helps inform centers just-published third novel copperhead our book critic Maureen Corrigan has a review Jessop Collins Holland's wants out the main character of Alexi Zentner is tough new novel called COPPERHEAD JESSOP is a seventeen year old high school football star with a decent shot at getting a college scholarship that scholarship is essential because jessop his mom and his kid sister live paycheck to paycheck in a trailer on the outskirts of an upstate New York town that sounds a lot like Ithaca Jessop knows is that many of his classmates and even some of his teachers regard him as so called trailer trash but what's worse. They assume he's a white supremacist. Maybe a Nazi. How could he not be? He wears a Komo hunting jacket to school. His family attends the Blessed Church of the White America and his brother and stepfather are serving time in prison for killing two African American College college students in a fight. Clearly JESSOP has a lot of family history to outrun copperhead is a SMART PRA pulse of story about racism class and the limits of individual jewel possibility it mostly avoids those compromises that socially conscious novels sometimes feel obliged to make namely trading off complexity of character and literary style in in favor of message instead Zentner vividly realizes JESSOP S- daily world here from the smell of an approaching snowstorm a wet bruise on the air to the down and dirty scrimmages as of his football games though it's not marketed as such copperhead has some of the feel of a waie novel we see things through Jessop S- fraught teenage perspective and the focus of the story is on his his clumsy struggle to separate from and yet still love his virulently racist family. I can imagine the novel sparking heated discussions in high school English classes as well as in book groups for the more or mature. The present time of the novel opens on the night of the big game when Jessop team is playing a rival high school as sleet is falling. We're told that there will be a few kids like Jessup on the other her team everywhere. There are boys like him but mostly the kids from Kelton valley live in four bedroom homes with gas fireplaces used only for decoration cedar fences to keep the golden retriever in and there will be boys on the Kiln Valley team who are already looking forward to getting home before the game has even started thinking about warming up and drying off instead of the ritualized brutality Jessop supply loves a college scout from Syracuse is in the stands that night but that game is especially charged for Jessop because his stepfather David John has just gotten out of prison and he's in the stands ends to a plumber by Trade David. John was a mostly good influence in Jesup surly life but there was also always a racist edge to his guidance can't be Lazy David John would advise Jessop the world ain't what it used to be. You need a college degree to get anywhere now and they've got all kinds of quotas that you don't fit into so study up unless you want to be working knee deep in crap your whole life like me David John Sports Tattoos hidden under his work shirts the kind of tattoos that proclaimed things like pure blood and Raho or racial holy war those same type of tattoos on Joseph's brothers brother's body ignited the fight that resulted in the deaths of the two black college students jessop wishes his stepdad would disappear from his life but before the night is out he's got more horrific problems blooms to grapple with Zentner writes in short chapters many clocking in around four pages long that drive the action as Jessop the proverbial innocent finds himself caught up in in another racially motivated violent incident. He resigns himself to the fact that in the eyes of the world he'll always be implicated in his family's sins. COPPERHEAD is a pretty unsparing bearing story about how one's fate is determined so much by the random luck of one's family but it's also merciful enough to leave the exit door of reinvention cracked open Maureen Corrigan Teaches Literature Georgetown University. She reviewed copperhead by Alexi Zentner coming up we hear from Randy Rainbow. He writes and performs satirical songs about President trump set to the melodies of show tunes and pop hits. His videos were just nominated for an emmy. This is fresher weekend. This message comes from N._P._R.. SPONSOR WICKS DOT COM with wicks. You can create your very own professional website. Choose a designer made simply or let wigs artificial official design intelligence build your site for you with advanced design features. You can tell your story exactly the way you want. It's easy to start a blog and online store or create in events and you can share it all on social media and Click get started started now by going to Wicks DOT com. 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Aldo shes and turned ended into a trump song titled Super Callas Fragile Ego Centric braggadocious rainbow performs each song within a video that typically also includes him interviewing trump a trick rainbow accomplishes by re editing videos of trump trump interviews and inserting himself asking the questions and reacting to the answers these youtube videos go viral and that's a tribute to rainbows clever lyrics his great singing voice and hilarious reaction shots. Let's start with one of his songs that borrows the melody from my favorite things. This is trumps. Favorite things recorded last December. When special counsel Robert Muller was about to file memos about Michael Flynn Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort the starts with Randy Rainbow Interviewing president trump? Thank you so much for joining me Mr President. I hope you have been enjoying the holiday season so far I will tell you I'm extremely upbeat. The the White House is running like a defenseless young child being teargassed at the Mexican border. Well oiled machine. Mine was just an expression. It's doing really well. I have great people speaking of criminals. This is A. Very big week for the Russia Investigation Memos about Michael Flynn Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort three high profile defendants are scheduled to be filed by special counsel Robert Mueller. It's a scam there was no collusion whatsoever and the whole thing is a scam really because word on the street is that you're getting pretty scared well. When anything bothers me or my entire family well? He's about to be charged with treason. I try to think of Nice things I mean there are so many things that make you happy and there are certain things that I don't like I think <hes> raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens destroying the first amendment white nationalists ests jet enough brutal dictators and coldhearted liars tyrants and traders and climate deniers five dollars spray tans with under Iranians visa few of your favorite vein burying tax returns after he filed them teargassing migrants for seeking asylum big fat assed buckets of Fried Chicken Wings. These are a few of your favorite bay. I did nothing wrong. Blue collar workers backwards in beefy giant Hamburgers with extra Kofi siding with Saudi Arabian canes these are a few of your favorite when year friend split when your days and your hair looks bad like right now just blame all the victims and phrase all the schmucks and then you won't be how long is this which gone on it's gone on for what play dates and absolute power porn stars in playmates who charged by the hour bits that Fox News who dance on his strings these are up you of his favorite things I did nothing wrong long winded tweets with no spell check corrections Ray Randy Rainbow Welcome to fresh air. I think you are so funny and so much fun to watch watched. Thank you for being on her thank you it's my honor to be with you so you do your videos in your home alone. You direct yourself. <hes> I love your reaction shots because you have this incredibly expressive face and really big is and the reaction shots to what trump is saying are always like hilarious. How do you direct yourself and how many takes do well? I've kind of <hes> worked at down to about four or five takes because I could stand there all day and <hes> <hes> you know as a director. I'm quite hard on myself and it sounds like you know so you do this like alone in your apartment very lonely existence Terry. I feel really sorry for you. Thank you for inviting me out doesn't happen often but it sounds like when you were a kid you did similar stuff spent a Lotta time alone your bedroom making videos. What kind of videos did you make? Oh God they real real classics real gems. I mean I you know I I would have like my little figurines might toy soldiers and things whilst by say soldiers but of course in barbies and do you know sort of horrible <hes> d._I._Y.. Kind of Stop Stop Motion Animation. It was really bad <hes> so let's her another song and this is to the tune of sixteen going on seventeen from the sound of music in the song is about President Trump's endorsement of Roy Moore the former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. This is one more was running for the Senate against Democrat Doug Jones and trump endorsed I more in spite of the fact that several women had come forward and accused Moore of sexual misconduct with them when they were underage girls so the song is about those girls and it starts off with the verse about the girl who became his wife and the setup is that Randy Rainbow is interviewing Kellyanne Conway who is defending trump's endorsement of more so it start. We're going to start by hearing Kellyanne so the president has said the allegations are troubling. They're also forty years. There's old nobody came forward before. The guys went on the ballot many times Doug Jones is a Liberal Democrat. The president has said and he doesn't want to live on the Democrat representing Alabama United States Senate. You Wait Kellyanne with your ashy knees. It's time name that you surrender. He are backing a man who admits that he's a bona fide sex offender. Did we ooh <music>. Excuse me excuse me Roy Moore's memoir. I like big butts. He recounts Romantically the first time he laid eyes on his wife. Kayla writing quote I attended attended dance recital and remember one of the special dances performed by a young woman whose first and last names began with the letter k. I always remembered her initials K. K. because they were just one case short of being awesome. I'm paraphrasing that last part <hes> well. There's just one troubling part about that timeline and it's that <hes> she was sixteen going on seventeen. Roy Moore was thirty already to lay grandly lusting is justice gusting and frankly so are you. She was seventeen going on eighteen when she went out with more Pinkett says smear look e- signed her yearbook when he was thirty full gear comes defense trump and and McConnell all my and fascistic false quiz attacting old men that's funny what is the price public and candidate even even though he may be criminal deplorable immoral illegitimate is he vote for Roy Moore she he was so that's Randy Rainbow and if you wanna see more of his videos they're all on Youtube <hes> and that was recorded December eleventh twenty seventeen and if you think that that song as hopelessly out of date because Roy Moore lost consider that in June Roy Moore announced he intends on running again for the Senate <hes> sensibility wise you or like the opposite of Donald Trump but in spite of being so different from trump. You said that trump reminds you of your father yet. Trump is absolutely a carbon urban copy of my father just just behaviorally so much so that <hes> my father who's no longer with us. He actually died shortly after trump's election but his campaign was going on you know at the end of his life and even. He said that he couldn't watch trump on T._v.. because it reminded him so much of himself so these conversations that the world is now having about trump's behavior conversations that were had within my family about my dad add constantly so I think that's kind of why I really have his number. So what were the similarities just that kind of phony of bravado and there's just like a you you know I hate to put down any group of people but there's just a generation of like New York Guy <hes> that <hes> he just came from that stock and it it was just <hes> there was nothing genuine nothing introspective <hes> it was just textbook narcissism and <hes> I think <hes> there are there's a a large group of of men who are like that so how did that affect you growing up. Well it was hard. I mean it was it made things very uncomfortable in my home and <hes> you know which is why I was locked in my room making videos with my Barbie dolls. It was not a pleasant experience. It was not a pleasant environment <hes> because it really just he was the nucleus and it just revolved around this man who was really sick Lizhi ever in therapy now. I don't believe so now he ah had no interest. I don't think again he really had no idea that there was anything wrong with him. It was everybody else. How what was his reaction to you being gay he he was you know for as negative have a a force he was in my life he was also he was not the worst he was a very tolerant <hes> and did not mind at all that I was gay? He also claims seems to have had no idea growing up so that shows you sort of how trapped in his own brain he was he. Had you know it was a total shock to him when I came out which was kind of absurd but your mother said she always knew she was well. She made this Guy Yeah. Because that's the way it works <hes> so she was quoted in The Washington Post as saying she knew that you were gay when you were three yeah and I guess you know I'll quote unquote says I knew he was gay. By the time he was three. He was constantly recently putting on shows and making the girls the prince he was always Snow White. It's true we would do major productions in my backyard and <hes> I I was really a nightmare to work with as director and <hes> yeah there. There's a lot of <hes> gender swapping. Do you think that if that was happening today your mother would think Gee is my is my child trans should I I often think of that and <hes> I don't know I she very well might and <hes> I think of that because I was a an effeminate kid and but I don't necessarily think you know I. I know I'm not trans. I don't feel I don't think I ever felt that I was trapped in the wrong body <hes> <hes> but <hes> yeah. I think that that the lines are a little blurred. Now and people are still kind of figuring those things out I hear directly from parents all the time who have those questions. Let's close with a son Heim Melody that you used for a parody. This is the Muller Blues and this was recorded in March Twenty Eighth Twenty nineteen and it's to the melody of the God. Why don't you love me blues from San Jose Stephen Sondheim show follies so talk about what you're doing? In the song well this for me was the perfect song to kind of pinpoint the emotions that everyone was feeling that week because <hes> the mullahs report had come out <hes> but it hadn't really and people were happy and they were not than they were frustrated. It was just everyone was sort of running the gamut of emotions and so my mind immediately went to the song <hes> which kind of encapsulates encapsulates that feeling of being all over the place yeah and he is almost having a little nervous breakdown. Yeah brings this yeah so <hes> this was recorded right after the mullahs report was released but then right now. I think you're waiting for Robert Muller to testify so that you can write a Robert Muller testifying parody I am. I've been waiting for some time now. They keep pushing it <hes> Yeah I. I'm toying with a few ideas but I I don't think I'll really know which direction I'll take until I see the testimony well while we're waiting for you to write and then posted on Youtube. Let's hear your song from March of this year. The mother Blues Randy Rainbow. It's just been great to talk with you. Thank you so much and please keep doing what you're doing and do other things too because I look I look forward to seeing you in a Broadway show or on T._v.. Of Wealth from your mouth well thank you Terry. It's been a pleasure to talk to you and to you and I. I should say that this song starts with you. <hes> being interviewed so to speak by Wolf Blitzer of C._N._N.. About the results of Robert Muller's investigation into the trump campaign coordination <hes> with the Russians and then you start singing about the results of the investigation according to the Special Counsel Robert Muller the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government government. Are you ready to accept that conclusion from Robert Muller hundred percent will this is only good news for the country and I am here today to say that I'm ready to leave this behind us and move on without some big song dance. Excuse me O._M._G.. He's reached a conclusion only. I'm sorry to curse bitch thankfully the E. There's been no collusion. So why don't I feel better yet. In fact I feel word report now turned in Robert. Muller's work is older. It's lasted twenty two months sits. No wonder we're stressed O._S.. Rigor just let the things things that we learned or not what we guest and as for the rest we may never know how much if anything will America get to see. I've got those gay. It's finally overweight. It's only just beginning Lou use those Damn Robert Muller. I mean thank you for your service. Via Laing's does that report now. Throw the trash bin Congratulations Hannity but wait. What did you win? Those what about obstruction here comes Rudy Guiliani really over. Can we still indict Ivanka blue. Robert Muller has delivered his report but the political fight over it is just beginning repeatedly. He stated no collusion. He said I guess that he was right. Are there any Russians here tonight is he. Exonerated exoneration technically not quite muller stopping short of exonerating the president president his comments were off color. We kicked their it constantly. Deny no collusion collusion's local slander. Mr Moon has been a witch now liquid his favorite guy. I've got all those Nancy go and get them never mind girl. I'm exhausted. What the Hell is Comi doing standing in a forest those bartender? We're going to need to refill my like cloud and since there's no collusion. Could you make something up and why does Evans callaway more followers than I do. Those is it over what just happened. We just arrest Ivanka. Where's the last I got to see it? Give it to me. I don't want it yet. No black white red blue left right. Thank you though away now. Please leave me Robert Muller no collusion page. That's Randy Wendy Rainbows Song the Robert Muller Blues. You can hear more of his songs on his website. His videos were just nominated for an emmy in the category outstanding Short Form Variety Series Hillary Zuma's national performing tour next SMA fresh air weakened is produced by Teresa Madden fresh air's executive producer. Is Danny Miller our our technical director is or if you Bentham engineer this week is Adam Stanishev ski our interviews and reviews produced an edited by EMI Salad Phyllis Myers Roberta shorrock Sam brigger Lauren Crandell Heidi Simone Moods Eighty challenor and Seth Kelly Molly Seavy Nesper is our associate producer of digital media. I'm Terry Gross.

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Like a hike class question before we got to go to weather and traffic every weather. Hold on. We got we got to a break coming in at number five on the countdown. We'll be right back with the chain smokers before we get back to them. We got Taylor swift number five rows five spots. You got you got some stick around for perform breaks. That's so true rallies. Chills right now. I mean, like, I it it's a different world. But it's the same world where where we gotta do those those interviews as well. And you get the guys are like so what we what can we expect from your comedy show tonight? Jokes jokes open. That's going to happen. I before we really going. I have to say that. Well, first of all Rockstars are always on the cusp of what's breaking. What's new? Do you have jeans that have plaid? What is this? Pants you ever one dollar prices right style. Yeah. I is this something that's coming down the pipe something that we get ready. I don't know if it's a trend. I think I'm gonna start it dope. You're going to be wearing Kristalina tell you to wear those. I think of him every morning, we all do it. Chris. Is the does that ever enter your head like, wow? If I do an Instagram video of me doing some weird thing or even wearing something having to do with fashion. You're like, wow, our fans will probably just be like, oh, that's what we're doing now. Yeah. Oh, we're we're we're doing the beach ball and your challenge. Okay. Cool. I hope they don't fought like follow us into the dark, but. Oh, actually, so we have this guy. We have this kid Ben who've been shown out a lot leased recently who he's like one of those shoe sneakers Hillary coca, and he told me he came over my house today is the Kate. You have those like the pair of like old like off white Airmax. Like, you destroyed totally destroyed these shoes he has these clients at these. I don't know they're they're like up and coming DJ's, I guess and they keep by all my old used shit destroy. They just want my shit. Wow. Okay. Gave him. These four pairs of shoes to sell any sold off four pairs. I've never worn any of them to like these kids for a thousand dollars. Do you get a cut? Yeah. While he gets credit, and I gather sneakers. Okay. Stop it sneakers. Or is there other favorites? Well, I mean just things that these like willing to buy I don't know. I just found out about these kids. I've tested them with the shoe now, we're going to try some more obscure object. Dental floss. Yeah. Right. Get a pretty pressure. You didn't finish. Yeah. Don't go ruse while what a throwback. Oh, that's where did that come. Get ready rain, dude. Throwbacks on this podcast gonna get high. Childhood snacks show up. Just gimme. We got we got gushers. We got we got teddy Graham slowdown though. Because none of these are sponsors. Maybe grass can tell them the sponsor us. And then you guys have a a road snack or a pre show ritual or three us a lot pre pre popular one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Specific brand. Now, we can't no we're not showing anyone out. Yeah. Yeah. So getting plan. You definitely should get you make sense at all the things that we should be part of you know, in like to kill a CD has ceramic. You know, you guys can have your tequila. It'd be great. I mean in. Yeah. Maybe a few years ago, you may have laughed at that. And be like, we'll never have to kilo. But fuck you guys have a production company. Now one hundred percent. I mean, we went down to two kilo town where they make all the where's that it's in Guadalajara. I thought it was like near Toontown Disneyland. Like next to flavor town. So yeah. Flavored tequila down. Live here. And you saw great guy Fieri meeting where it was like just when you're sad. Just remember that earth's been around for like four billion five hundred and thirty six million years and you live during guy Fieri. Yeah. Existed. Exciting kids won't get to do that. Yeah. I do have one guy fury story, please. Where? I met him back stage at a kid rock concert. Which is just all roll sounds exactly where you'd meet. Yeah. It's like, no. No, we were in the Louvre in Paris. Was examining some of the painting giving you full art history background. No it was at a kid rock concert. And he and he handed me a barbecue sandwich from catering and said, that's good barbecue. Wow. Yeah. From waiter wasn't flooding like his back pocket or something. Like that. Change the story. So that he pulled it out of his pocket. Yes. So we'll cut this and be like, yes. And then he pulled pork sandwich from his sock. Instead. Welcome to flavor. Wow. No now, like, so people would have a dream when they meet guy fury. They get to eat barbecue with them. Is there something equivalent yet? Either. Dez Pete that people constantly ask you guys do like, oh, I want to do this with the chain smokers. Oh, like, we do it with us. Yeah. I mean, I guess like drinking. Pretty good one. We used to when we were like coming up. We would play a lot of colleges and stuff like sometimes for frats, and sometimes like more official things universities, and I feel like we had a reputation for like showing up on announced to like frat parties and the cool way away. It was like, oh, should they might show up tonight? Yeah. Yeah. Just like throw down DJ's more. So you guys were like the Bill Murray of deejays. That's what I thought. I wanna take. Yeah. They might show up like, you never know. And we've ran into a couple of people that have been at these parties mean like dude like you showed up at like Vanderbilt like frat party seven years ago. It was so sick. And I like remember flashback to like because it's fun. When you get there yet, there's going to be sick. But inevitably you're like hit that moment where you're like, you're really ripping a bomb with like an eighteen year old and his room. And he's got like his throwback like Seattle, SuperSonics jersey. College kids wear, and and they're just like you're talking about something that's so retarded, and you're just like where my friends. You know? Yeah. This guy had a bomb? How were those frat parties because I was in a friend college. And when bands were there, it was the shit and DJ's like it was any sort of like thing that was not just playing music from there. It was really really fun. They always be like super welcoming. And I went to NYU. So I didn't really have any of that like all right lifestyle. Frat parties house in house party that he he went to Syracuse. So they had that they're so he would just like he would verts back to his old self your sample. End up there that it's bonkers fun place. I mean, when all you have is a giant mall dinosaur barbecue, and that's it. That's it. Yeah. Mall and check. I'm back now, it's time to drink. Yeah. But it was really fun. I mean, it was like the surpri to me. It's like those are the things that I would've loved like I had big, you know, it was a fan of like a big artist or sports, Scott, something and show up and do that what type of like how different are you guys now from those days and how if new think back to those times like when you're sitting in your your dope patent? I mean, not much different beyond. Yeah. I mean had planned on his jeans, then he would. Yeah. It's going to be the by the way to silence. That the problem is that you get older. Like, you're gonna your team. They make you more. They're like. Yeah. So like your lawyer calls us like I heard you into a frat last night. You know what? I mean. Like, yeah. Was sick. And he's like you'd be very liable something bad happened there. And you're like, wait. What do you like shouldn't do that anymore? And then you're like damn it. Rod is we get the reputation for like being like around and stuff. And then people started impersonating you. And then you got people coming up to you being like, yo like, I met you at like in Sarasota, Mike. I'm never been to. Oh know we were here. We're taking shots you hooked up with my friends girlfriend and like that wasn't. That wasn't. Fake, Instagram accounts but fake fake people. And then we got this like, you know, when you start to like do your thing eventually become a meme, yes that we've become I actually really enjoy. Let's and the the basis of it is that the chain smokers could be any two random white dudes. Which kinda plays like the first one. I think like fuck someone posted. It's a it's a medium that says damn the chain smokers have really like what themselves go, and it's a picture of Jonah hill, micro say. Walking on the street in New York and. Well. But you almost kind of want that because that that a it says, you're popular, but be they're not all nice and fun. No. Of course. I mean, do you do you like our cursing? Like reads or YouTube comments it goes man, Eiffel sixty five four forty two says blue Daba dis the greatest dad like I feel like well YouTube is super dark place. I mean, not that people use it are bad. But like, it's if you're commenting on YouTube videos, like, yeah. Usually, I think those things that could by see a bad music video or something I'm like this video sucks, but actually go in. Underneath people to be hurt. Yeah. And so, but like, I did this thing. I haven't done it in a while now because now I've realized like an important thing, which is like you should give you have a lot of fans. So like, why would you spend time like shouting out your haters? Yeah. So that's. But like it wasn't always that way. And I used to like if someone commented something that I would like look into who they were. And then I would go to their girlfriends page and comment on their most recent photo and be like damn you look good here. So like, the she would go home, and then boy fruit she'd be like cheesemongers like say, I looked really good. Yeah. Those guys. Thanks to read my comment. Like, you're not around for that. But you just know in some ways those guys suck they seem pretty sweet. Yeah in, but I love that. You said like now, you're focusing on the positive aspects of your fans, and you really are please tell me if this is true because I read this, and I want this. I want to be true. Do we? You took a fan on tour with you because they made a piano cover of the song Paris. And you're like that person's awesome fan a piano player. And a drummer in jumper is actually now basically a full time member of the band, no way. So like you made the ru- the Mark Wahlberg film rockstar come to life for these people. That's true. That's interesting movie too. Yeah. Video of me with the recorder chance. All right. What were they prepare pairing us for middle school record? I'm bleeding some mean spoons this hope. But that was that was crazy. We are you hear about Tonia who's like this savant panel player. And he used the duties covers of every song released in naturally like someone sent it to us. And it was like you got to look at this kid just reshare it basically, which we did. And then we started to work towards we were deejays, and as our music changed, and we wanted to challenge ourselves more. And he started singing we kind of were like, let's try let's become a bit like a proper band, you know, and perform our music properly and. At the beginning. We didn't really know how the best way to do that. We're like we probably need to really get panel flare you don't in. So and this guy that looks good. Matches having. We're like, hey, I don't know what your life is like. Join. What did he say what he say? He was like, I'm not doing much. He goes he was going to Berkeley college music like. And he was like, he's amazing music classical pianists news like, but honestly, like I'm done here. I don't I don't think there's any more. They can teach me. Okay. Teach me. Response. And like what days later, he's like we took like, we were planning our things. So it was a couple of months in advance. But basically it was like moved to LA. We first time you met was like in the practice room preparing for the tour, and it was just like. Okay. Cool and drummer Matt with the same way, he was from Australia. He's had like more of a live touring background. But still like wasn't a part of abandoned or anything. And he always thank goodness for him. Yeah. Insanely talented. And we're just like how would you like to come out, and you know, play drums for us? And he was getting like, I think a lot of people were feeling because he was starting to like, you know, like those YouTube covers and stuff. He was really good. Now, he's just like full on. Tony not that we still love Tony. He's not part of the band anymore because it like the position wasn't as necessary. Then there's nothing more. You can teach him. Yeah. He was. He's on the street looked like a caged tiger playing piano on tour with us because like he's so good that he should just be like solo play. It was like a guy was like just play. You know, like this basic malady that we and he's just like, you know, like, I can do it. Is close I can figure this out. When did when did you guys obviously told the story of when you like formed many times? But like, what were you when you were playing like the colleges or the types of gigs where you doing like that you're trying to just get clout and get experience like, I don't know. That is like I mean, we DJ a lot of clubs in New York City where we originally started like, you know, like John routes like where you start. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like, you know, these are like bottle clubs. So they're not really there to see you the sort of thing where like you're playing music and the guy comes up, and he's like pick it up pick up the energy. You know, what I mean are like, wow. Like, Jay z is going to be here. Like throw go more classic Jay Z. And you're like like what what are we talking like reasonable doubt or like volume two? No, not that far back when played Jay z. And then he comes up, and he was like fucking idiot yesterday just walked transplant you blank drafts. So that was a couple of years that win celebrities and walk in and they would and you'd be like, oh crap. There's Jay z like. Yeah. Wow. Together forever now. But it wasn't actually like on you know, because it was like you weren't like an artist at all or four Jay. The ipad that like everyone else got to you know. How do you find to get your voice? Yeah. I mean, well, then we start when we started, you know, like it took a little while to find our sound and figure out what our direction was going to be. But I remember like we started remixing indie bands. And you know, people like Phoenix in two-door cinema club and daughter and slowly. But surely like this sort of getting a little traction on the internet, but it still wasn't like we were gonna go to our show and play these songs because we're like nobody's here for us. And then finally like one day we deadly quite a show people. We didn't play any of our music and someone was like what the hell like I came here to see you guys play. You know, you're dreaming Remax. Are this? You guys didn't play anything for your own. And we're like, whoa. People are actually shared music now. And that was a very scary moment. So it was like, I guess the next time we should do this. But like what if there's no one there at the next one? This is just like an anomaly of a person. Hey, I it's that sort of self-awareness where you want to give people what they want. But the same time do what you were essentially got paid to do. I it probably really helped because I imagine there might be someone that would come and be like, I'm playing all original hits. Yeah. Like, and then everyone should send the evidence the crowd like, yeah. We really want to hear the new little Johnson. One hundred percent. I us a good backbone because like the show for us originally since this is the way it started was always just about creating the best party atmosphere possible. Okay. Wherever we were playing. And then as the music started coming it was like, okay, keep that by. But like, how do we insert our music inherited and keep that energy and feeling up, and it's kind of that's kind of been the red line. Even now today's show where it's like we're going to be playing ninety percent of our music, but the way before mid at its releases. It's very like UPI. It's not like you're gonna come to our show and suddenly see like mean, drew like a classical piano and him in talks like slowing it down. Yeah. This is where you find out with some flannel talks. Innovate here. And I love you guys think about that. Because in that you have expanded to like, you said, you have a drummer you've had peanuts. I've seen you guys on your scrammed plant playing guitar to where it because I I've I've been to certain concerts, where the heck joke of the DJ behind the thing just hitting the button. That's like that's what the audience sees. And that's not what they wanna see in my defense. That was my first bar mitzvah, and it was told me I could play. Did you have to play libido loca five times? Yes. Yes. It was fun. The whole the whole like roots of where we came from d- Jiang has been really helpful. Especially in Vegas. We have. We do a residency there. We do fifty to win at at the win at excess and say, I know it's so fun. But that's like we have this live show that's very elaborate and expensive and fun and rewarding. That's berry based on music. Every week we go to Vegas, and we played for two hours, and we play all of our music, but we play so many fun like eggs, and like, you know, the veto loca and five and dropping. It's fun. The fun time. We're we're lucky to have that. And how long does that show take two? So when you got that that was a few years ago two years ago had access and we we played with Huck Sanger before that. So we've been a Vegas for probably four or five years a cool. Yeah. It's amazing win is to me. I mean, like, I don't know it doesn't get better than that. I went to that hotel when it opened and it's like take a little drool males the best. Anything about is just right. The collars are like. Yeah. The all even the patriots. Like, we used the. I mean, I don't wanna shop other casino. We used to play just as we ever go back there. No, one cares about us. Life. You know at the club itself was really fun. But like going through the casino was like dark play. And here we go that Sinatra restaurant. Yeah. It's not just as great. And so good. Yeah. We I mean, that's the like we eat there so much, you know, I can tell you the menu from any of these places I had a dream kid. You just remember this. I had a dream last night where someone told me about this really nice restaurant that they had just been to at the win. And that we had gone to make. That's how badly I want. Yeah. Yeah. I had a dream where like some other sophisticated couple. Just eight here. Where's that night? The win. Like what there's been here that win. Anyway, isn't Robert win. Right. Is nothing Steven one. Yeah. But I mean, Chris Delia came out. Does he did? He did his podcast part of it about his with us, which was incredible. It just cool to hear from the thirty second half. Also is a big compliment. Chris does not go anywhere. Yeah. Right. Like, I tried to get him to go to the zoo once because he used to do all these bits about animals. I was like don't you want to go? See the animals you touched shot. Out. That's a big deal that he went to play the show looked. I mean, his videos were I mean, they were bonkers. So like how how long does the process to put that show together with the edits and the pyrotechnics and everything, but it's kind of like a rolling thing because it's like you start with like, you don't really lose music, but you kind of figured out what works a little bit more. And then obviously music comes out. And it's like I mean deejays NDA that like we are like a big community of guys. What's like here? I made this. You know what I mean? And then you like, it's almost like you trade. Oh, send you this one. And then you know, you hear other people doing it. And you're like, oh, I got I can make that. But I think do a better. We we always add new music. I think what makes our show unique. Obviously is that we play a lot of music and perform it live. So you get like the live entertainer field. 'cause I what you're saying about DJ's like people will be like tell me about DJ. What's what do you really do enough there? Like some secret. But you know, what I'm doing? I'm Preston in the bud ie to be fair. I saw the video of you guys. Planned, the launch pad on your Instagram hitting a lot of fucking buttons. Yeah. It's not just. Yeah. That's insane. You don't just hit play at our live show playing, you know, five or six instruments Drew's playing guitar and singing live, you know, like, but like in Vegas. It's like, yeah. We are hitting play. And but we think say real quick and intense up there. What is it like like, what is what's the experience of that versus like an award show or red carpet like that? What's? Well, those are terrible. It's like being in line at whole foods is being on stage. Whether you see like, they the crowd is going nuts keeping up that energy the whole time. Right. Well, that's the thing. That's the pressure of a Vegas is like everyone's there to party and have a good time in some people are diehard fan. Some people like I've heard one song on the radio once, you know. And you don't really know. And they're just there because that's a cool place to go. Yeah. Just cool. Right. Then you're picking up that way. Totally. It's a huge opportunity for us. And it's fun. And it's a challenge, you know. And that's what's nice about is like, okay. How are we going to work this room? So like people that like don't maybe they don't even fuck with us. They come through. And they're like, okay. Get my. I was a good time. Yeah. That's how you like embrace fifty shows a year. Same club yet. Your home. They're so how many shows like during we go for like weeks at a time. Well, every weekend base every two times a weekend in the summer numbers bonkers going to Europe and the playing show in like hung, Hungary, or something. And then being like, we gotta be back for Onkar beach club next day. And then my day later back to Europe. That's like that's I saw I saw this TV oak documentary. He doesn't crazy. I it's I was about to ask you like is that kind of your schedule to where you're constantly. All right. So Monday, we're in Denmark Thursday, we're we're in Italy. But then we gotta get back to Vegas for the right? That's literally the summer. There was six ranks this summer where we did either three shows in Europe or in the on the east coast. Yeah. And then flew back to Vegas for the weekend for six weeks in a row was either cross the country or up every week. We always had. European airports sucks. So you're always looking forward to gain back. There are there. Just want to call it Steve Wynn and be like not this weekend. Well, you're just like. Worried that you won't be because like you're counting. There's so many factors. You have to rely on sure. Doing their job, you know, name. Yeah. Everyone's gotta do their job. Get us back here with like two hours to spare. You know, not like part like you look at our tour manager, and he's like kind of lucky for. Yeah. Okay. You got sixty. But he's thirty five. Yeah. I I guess he's sitting on the plane like and you see him sweating until we crack off. But it's I mean, you know, it's like this is I feel like anything, you know, you gotta seize the moment right now. And you don't want to leave anything on the table. And you know, it's just I feel like we always made those decisions where you're like. Yeah. I'm just going to chill out this Sunday. Let's not do that. And then you're like end up just doing nothing. You know? Show just done it. And what am I doing right now? That's so awesome. Guys. Take it easy. Like when you do get a a little bit of downtime. Oof. In work mode. And you're like for us. It's like, you know, you get conditioned after a while to always be, you know, writing and just be thinking in work mode and joke mode. So it's like it'd be even in your downtime like something will happen. You know, fuck I'm going to send a right for a little bit now because you know, I've got the time, and I feel like there's no distractions to do that. But to vaca- or do you go to I mean, they're like obviously things that we love like I mean, we both have the surf the nice go to mount ski mountains that sort of thing, but li- pretty sharks? When you serve by totally totally finish. It's just like every this year or two thousand eighteen and particularly like every two months, I'd see shark attack clip or a guy almost getting attacked or Kelly. Wasn't that video of Kelly Slater? A surfer at the World Cup in Huntington beach where like the shark came up. Like, actually you see the fin. Yes. It's out and he's just a close Cobb. But I'll be back next week. What your rap on the day for me like when that guy is face on bath salts and Florida. I was like I'm not going to Florida again, plenty of places where people don't eat people. Like, we always have the luck to like. I mean, we're going to X games this weekend to play. And so so the X games that'll be like half and half. Be fun. Going for. No, no, we're we're playing like that's like the, you know, are the means to the end. Oh, yeah. Are you are you into action sports or are you gonna go partake late not partaking events. But like watch the events. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, those guys are amazing. And they look such cool live, you know, they are all homeys. They're like young dudes. And they're like early twenties if that, and they're just like get the fucking go to these mounds, you know, every weekend compete with each other. It's so nuts. We're like they they will look at you guys be like that's the cool life, and then you'll get them like that's the cool life and then like like people get comics ago. Oh, you imagine that. Yeah. Like, we're we're all obviously, very thankful and very blessed. We get to do what we do. But then the same time. We're looking around like, I don't know. Yeah. Danes life seemed pretty good. Yeah. Eat and travel. I definitely feel like I should have taken more time to get good at the toboggan. Because then I could ask games doesn't have it toboggan. They're always open was that could have been thing. Yeah. We do the two men to bog and I've got a heavy head. Throw that it can put you in a tube. Or one of those like egg chairs like it was like or the bubble boy things and just put you down. I'm all for that. Just let the giant by the way Noel. Yeah. No. There should be a dwarf X games. Now that we're talking about there really should be dwarf x game sponsoring this in it wouldn't be a half. Yeah. Yeah. What a great attitude. It'd be a quarter pipe, but whatever. Still look just as impressive. Lineup doing my thing. Yeah. That's great. Hey, guys, Adam rate here. Hope you're enjoying the episode quick break to tell you about posts mates. Oh, both mates baby. We all need to eat. We all love food. But we don't leave the house. 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And they let it it'd be good. I'm in wrote about it. He likes a post about the day after and then like the band was like applauded him because they were like, they're like crazy Australian band. Yeah. With it. But I was like that's sick. Inter and we don't have like we have a story. We always lie about make up when people ask that question. And it told like a thousand times, don't yeah. Yeah. But, but, but I don't like, you know, I'm sure you guys are the same thing. It's like the question when it's like you. What was like, you know, your best joke. You were told her. The worst or something and you're like Amelie like go blank. And you can't think of any examples that like we've got New York, he's not like a bad person. But like he just knows where we are all the time. You know what I mean? And it doesn't and what's annoying that he'll take the photo. Right. Like in front of like our hotel. Never go to literally right there. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. And then they'll show up at like the next place. It'd be like can I get a photo? And you're like, we just took it Bota with you, man. Yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. I know. The hotel Jagger radio station do promo he's outside the hotel, and then somehow gets to the radio station before us and ask for another photo. Guilt. You like. Like. Is that can I can I take the photo? And you're just like like, you know, the dog is like joy, just get one like so quick easy. But you're like there's got to be Reno horse, take it. But like come on. We just took the photo. And I I don't understand what I'm wondering accident thing along going some somebody at some point at some cheesecake factory date was like, I bet you can't get the chain smokers to take pictures with you at every stop them. He's I think Iran, and they always any ads for a hug to every time. Pick. Yeah. I don't know hugs are very particular. If you got to listen to this. Well, drove you're out there. Yeah. He drove here. He'd robust he knew that we were going to why guess the whole time. Yeah. Dangerous. Do you? How do you pick people to collaborate with? Because I mean, obviously, so many great tunes that have great people featured with you guys. Like, how is there is the same thing with the way you found some members of the band where you're looking online or do people bring them to you and say, hey, you should check out this person that like how like Hosie like how that come about? I mean, it's always different. Sometimes it is simple. As like seeing someone Kelsey Ballerini saying she was like a pan of our for a while. And we were fan of hers. And then when we came wrote the song, and we're like. Hit up Kelsey she she wants to do with us. Right hosie. Also, we've been huge fans of hers, and I think both of us were kind of like percolating under the radar. He's an amazing singer. And we both felt like the song really lent itself to her style of. Artistry. I guess and so she did you know like we sent her the song. She was down and came in and sung it, and you know, became a huge huge hit which is great because she was like the perfect. Yes. I mean, everything get it for that. Right. Chris martin's. I completely different one. Like our managers have been talking. You know? You know? Like, a literally a prayer. You know what I mean being? Hey, would that ever, you know, boy they ever want to get together and took sure we're pretty busy. You know? Play and stuff like just if anything ever changes, we're here. Yeah. And then I guess like, you know, a month later, Chris like, maybe like did manager at mentioned this. And he was like I love those guys. I love this song we play their music before we go on stage. Let's get together. And like we dropped like everything we had going to happen. And it did you ever have more nerves that going into like your? Pitching Halsey versus Chris Martin. Like were you hoping like if she sent back like now, I'm not into it? Where you like did you have more nervous going into that versus what's crazy is every song has a completely different story about how right name about. And that song was actually something just like this was written with Chris the first day we met shit. So you, and you know, what to expect? So you just got to pull up and be like, okay, I'm gonna come with some ideas. But also be ready to write and also be ready to play instruments or be able to like just producer do drums. You have no idea. Like what you're going to get that day. I remember we got there when he was in this beautiful studio in Malibu, which we were working on a like a closet studio at the time. Yeah. You telling me, and we were just blown away. And it was a very over the top for us and. Does it does it make you raise your game? Or is it more pressure Phil because you see this Rami, we're very intimidated knocking ally. Coldplay, musically. Their sound is has been such a inspiration are sound and just the chords and melodies that they use. And you know, Chris Martin is Chris Morin and for he walked in. And we're, you know, he's talking in his very self British voice. So, you know, you're like, oh my God. You're so beautifully trying to type it together. Yeah. And actually we like I think we like talked for a very short amount of time like five ten minutes. And then he was like so was let's go, and I remember we opened up our laptop and reminding them ideas playing stuff on the piano, eventually got on this one idea that was it was good. And he was into a into. He's like all right. Let me sit in and. Right. And so he sat and for about an hour with the headphones on just like on his phone writing writing. And he was like, you know, I've I've kinda hit a roadblock. I'm gonna go pick on my kids and you guys keep working on the track. I'll be back where like all right. So he laughed what if he never came back. Of course, this is this is like a chick on a day like my friend just called she's in the hospital. We have a funny story about someone getting out of a session after yes. Q? And he, you know, you're sitting there like all right? What do we do where dinner? He comes back two hours later. And we're like like, hey, and it kinda vibe was gone. And we're like, okay. What it's all good. Like, we got something with him. You know, this'll be who. And then he was like a we were waiting to leave. And we're in a Malibu's took awhile to get Uber. And he was he wanna play me records off the the new chain smokers album. Which was this is before albums memories. Do not open came out. And I played them the one Paris. And I think bloodstream, and he he could see you is like we gotta we gotta get a record. And he she is there anything else that you have that might might work. And I played the session. I was like eventually became something just like this. And he was like, that's it. Let's go cancelled the Uber plugged in. I've never seen a song written like this plugged his Mike into the PA and danced around like the living room this. It's like, you know alive. At night at this point as like muttering, the melody to himself and eventually had words, and we got he wrote literally the entire thing just dancing around in two hours. And then as we got back, and we got in the car after that. And we were like, let's go. Go like it gives like the first thing you like, it's if something doesn't happen in one instance, it's really hard to finish it a later day. Get someone doesn't come back into the artificially create the those moments. Chris Martin dancing around in circles coming up with melodies most people I I read songs with just sit there and write and he just he mumbled or they or they go in the booth. There's a lotta hip hop guys that go in the booth and one line, and then they'll do the next line. The next about that we track it all he's out there and just like mumble mumble to himself until we had the whole thing. And then it's also in those moments where you see him. You're like, oh, yeah. That's why you're cold play. Yeah. That's why you're successful. And do have been doing all the things that you're doing. I know you just did a collaboration with blink Wayne to we. They just came over here. We're in the city, we we were at a couple of songs together. The is that like how do you call them? Do they call you that we've been trying to get in studio with them for a while because they were like a they're a huge version of ours. Probably those two bands bigger more than anything close. I in blink. And and it was like, I think we share the same agent or someone like that. And and it was one of those things where it was like, oh, always get the guys together. You know what I mean? But it's like, you're I think we were nervous because we're like how does this? How do we you know what I mean? Like, we didn't have idea. But you're kind of like, okay, if we get him sing. Yeah. You have a clear is relax. Styles are similar like echinacea music working. But like with the with alternative rock punk rock. A little bit more challenging and they'd send us a couple of songs demos that were really solid. But you were just like feel like we should just get in the room. And they're like, they, you know, they have families, and they tore a lot. And you know, they were just like no one was in a rush on either side like it will happen when it happens. You know what I'm saying? And finally was like we set the day got together. And we just wrote like this awesome song and over the course of the day, and the, you know, they're really humble chill guys, which was really awesome to see. And it's crazy. Because like I mean, they're just as big as any band in the world accessible, and and to write like a chain smokers. Blink song was really cool. And I think we like a bribe at a really great balance of it. Eighty two has been a huge inspiration to us because they always say things super direct and the way that it happened. And they put you in the place, they tell you about what? What what the room looked like they were in what way like, you know, what she was wearing it made the picture totally. And you know, I feel like that's been a big part of where we've come from with our songwriting. Yeah. Yeah. And then we expect that song to come out or do you guys know who f- that's a complicated question. Listen, I'm going to do that. And try to get them into cry later. It's gonna happen. It's the hard hitting Germany, but it's good because day like, you know, all you want someone to be excited. So when we left the Chris Martin session like he was pumped, and he was ready to get back in and finish the song where like a lot of times. That's not the case. It's like you get a song. And sometimes you both big that was sick. But then you never even follow up. It's like his unwritten like I didn't enjoy that as much as you'd think in like. Just like the same way. You're just like it's like a bad day. Thank you. You don't need to confirm that. It was a bad day. You just stopped talking to you. It's like all right. So we agree to go our separate ways. Yeah. The is the prerecord hang necessary like before you even get going on a track like with Chris did like you guys just said you met that day and then start jamming right? There was. But did you was there any tempt to be like, yo, let's go do some putt putt or like can go to hit. Denny's late night have the luxury of that time anymore. And but like you do get we like to get together and just like talk, it's not like get together. And immediately jump in. We're down to like catch off talk about shit. Like promise, you run the risk of like meeting someone that you really like minded with like Ryan tat Ryan Tetter, and we just multiple sessions with him and have not written one weird because we just talk for like ten hours. Well, Chris Martin. I would have been like, dude, I cry in the shower listening together all the time high school, Chris where Where'd you go? That's nice. Who is the who is the person that piece out on you? Oh, I was just about to bring that story backup. Hello, blah. It's fine. We were doing a session with him. And he's he's a great songwriter and has an amazing voice at I just I think the vibes were just off. And he was like, I gotta go and we're like all right. Like what's going on? He's like so. My wife just called and say that there are bees coming out of the fireplace. And I don't know if my kids are allergic or not, and I'm like, wow, are your kids allergic. He's like, oh, I don't know. But they could be when I was eight. When I was eight she can't handle the situation. You know? I I gotta go. I gotta go home help her out. B's coming out of the. Call and I remember just seeing him run out and then get in his car. And I was like what the hell it's one of those. Where like I can't say that there's probably not bees. Yeah. I can't say that your kids aren't allergic. Yeah. Got me in a classic. I've seen them since then and like dinner and stuff. I mean, he's a cool, dude. But like for all we know it could be a true story. So we don't know still. Yeah. That's like we should ask them. If you host the blue of excuses, remember. Yeah. Coming out of the fire ways. Yeah. And although I it would be amazing. If you did like act like he didn't remember like obesity five. But yeah, I think that when was that again when did I mention that's never happened unless it was in the movie the ring. Your life based on that. Yeah. Well, that's that could be a great movie that you guys do through your production company. They'll kick the habit that transition. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Your professional. We're going to be talking about anything. So there's a great deal to a movie you can lower could star in it. But no why what'd you start started production company? Kick the habit. And now, you're and your first movie is. Soft pairs? So hopefully, I mean, yes, it's production the works. Yeah. So, but yeah, I mean, so Dan who you know? No good friend ours. Went to school drew to known each other for very long time. And that's how I met, Dan, obviously. And we've mean droop. You know, both individually been very interested in TV in film, just as something you enjoy it. I don't think it was like so much of reality. If you'd asked us this four years ago, but then you know, it was really passionate about this sort of thing. And we kept getting you know, aside from Dan, like emails me. Okay. Would you guys like to be involved in this movie from a musical destructive and stuff? And you know, we didn't really feel like we ready. But then as time went on, Dan, kind of it was you know, we have the perfect guy. We've got his passionate about it we trust who's really dedicated to this. We, you know, we don't get involved in things unless we can put ourselves into it one hundred one hundred percent, and it just felt like the right time because we often look for creativity outside music, and TV and film is like a great place to take a break from us. But still get a lot of inspiration from and be creative. And they go back to music so felt like this great marriage between something we're already doing something that you know, our friend Dan could help run for us. And you know, obviously is still pretty new in considered to all the students that out there production how houses, but, you know, we're pretty psyched about the Paris movie. And you know, we've had a lot of other things on their development. And it's a really cool thing. Like, I'm like reading, you know, two hundred emails about this on this on this. And then like, you read Email about like, you know, a potential piece of IP that we might want to buy, you know? And that's yeah. And it's really exciting. So your videos are cinematic is fucked. So it's like a natural transition for sure. Yeah. Not definitely like leads lead us into that direction to like working on music videos, and yeah, and seeing how fun that can be and how challenging so. I mean, we'll see how it goes definitely really passionate about it. I think it's like probably as you find with anything. It's like you've got to find your way what you're honing in on. What do you want? Your message to be. What what's what do you want your studio? Production company to be known for. Because you can't I guess some people can do everything. But like, I think, you know, right now, it's the process of finding the pod. The project will really passionate about and working hard on those ones and doing a good job on those versus doing like one hundred things because we all sorts of crazy offers like, of course, for like movies like that would be sick. But you're like, but is this really what we should be doing right now is is your brand more dramas. Do you wanna do? Do. You wanna do serious black and white film in wars w who'll do you wanna do comedies? Yeah. I think I mean, we wanna do everything. But in the beginning at the it's inception. We have to be careful to do stuff. That's very tied to us and curve where we are right now, which is music. We have a very like dry sense of humor, and we're very sarcastic. And that kind of tone about like millennial narcissism that we read about in our in our songs a lot is is something that I think will make its way into the narrative. Some of the film projects that we work on well want to come back to that dildo movie because I have a small pizza synopsis. It's a dildo heist movie jackhammer and Harrison Ford plays a guy named Jack hammer. We're really on the nose white leaves them. And but she leaves a dildo that she cheated on him with. And and and he tries to rob the Bank that she works with Adele, though. Yeah. But we came up with this see saw Harrison for the couple of weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a dildo with him? But he was like one of those. I it's so funny because like I don't know like I don't often recognize people probably because I can't see that. Well, but by but he walked past me the restaurant, and I was like oh shit for it. And I was like that's cool. A good one to see right one. I should say how he was walking into the bathroom. And I was like I should follow him in there. Well. I'd say that's weird. But we actually did that to Chris Pratt. Yeah. To where we followed them into about. We talked. We're such good friends. You never returns my tax yet. That's the only because he's super busy busy. But he did promise. A use me as a dildo one time. It was really weird. He seems like a cold, dude. Yeah. He was you know. You know, both from Seattle. And so we like rift on that for a minute. And and then Brad what did you say to him in the bathroom? Oh, because I I went to the bathroom, and he was at one of the regular size urinals. And then there was another dude there who was taking dwarf urinal, never take the fucking door fear and all. My passion project some people like save the whales. Some people are global warming. I'm like don't take the fucking door ear and all that time. Yeah. So I stood behind the guy and said, yeah. Ju just your luck you're pissing in the midget urinal and in the midget up the guy looks back. He's kind of in horror trying to frantically zip up, Chris plus out laughing these like, all right? I can be friends with this tiny, man. That's great. Yeah. Awesome. This, but I'm gonna let you like. Wow. You see Harrison Ford. It's like what do you say to him? I was thinking like he's like old school famous. You donate any sense? So it's like, I don't know if he plays by the rules that like there's no such thing as privacy anymore erupted in bothered at anytime. Do you go up to you know, what I mean? It's all intention, right? Like, you guys are chill. Dudes like the bathroom. Meet meet and greet is usually like a weird spot like one hundred and not even like board with urinal small talk because I'm like, dude, we can talk about this. When Dixie aren't hanging out. Like in fifteen seconds. It doesn't have to be right. Are there certain people or like you obviously probably like take? You said you're getting like scripts and offers for things already like are, you are there certain people that you go. I hope we get to sit down with them or we're reaching out to try to. There's so many people we've sat down with some pretty awesome people already. I feel like the people that are really exciting. It's just like you were generation of of writers producers that like we're meeting, Dan and stuff that like, I don't know we for us. We've always found talent that when it comes to singers and stuff they're like, Hungary, and you and and like on the verge, you know, there's just like a desire from them until like, do whatever it takes and put it all on the line and working with artists like that. And writers just gets us really excited. I guess that said like, you know, we've been really lucky to sit down with people like Brian Grazer. And I you know, and I pick their brain. And and are so good advice. Yeah. I mean, they're so bad assets. Like. Gangster's walk down the hall. You're like literally baffled childhood is is like you made it. Yeah. The Grinch actually, stay with me for six months. That wasn't a guy. You don't know the movies anyway, rop like that one Jim of knowledge like, you know, what I mean like they say a lot of great things like the one thing about the direct you and your path because like, you know, they're like what how do you pick? What you do when you can do everything. And then that's kind of like the things you learn from them is it different muscle. You guys find like music versus. I mean production company producing starting to try to field projects. Like is it or you feel like the same grind? That's in. You for for music is is there for for movie making and stuff a lot of things that are very the same in terms of like, creating something that's like, you know, especially won't be like put together shows. It's like kind of finishing the song because we write songs when we're we're also producers. So that means that we make the music, and like the final record is something that is something that we create. It's always been that way as but a lot of times a lot of other artists they'll write songs, and then they'll send it to a produce and kind of finish the track on finishing like attract for us is like kind of packaging a movie, you're like, okay. This is a great concept. But like how do we make it like perfect? Yeah. And Powerball and like selling it to people that like selling it to someone that will get me. How do we get it out there, you know? And so that that's one of the things that I find that's pretty congruent with. Writing music, and and I'm sure there'd be a ton more. I mean, we haven't even we've sold our first project. But it's now in developments we haven't actually it's not done yet. You know, there's a there's a way more hurdles film. I'm sure you also, you know, we listen to a song his four minutes listen to song. And then we make our notes, you know, what I mean? And then listen to it again again again. Yeah. But like with the movie, it's like, okay now read this one hundred twenty page script. Sure, we change a couple of things in it. And you're like shit. This is a lot of work. Yeah. There's a lot of work, and it's not like unexpected work. It's just like a totally different type of art. Yeah. And and it's really fulfilling doing it in in a different way. Because you know, you're you're matching the very visually and like thinking about in terms of like how you act in this situation you'd expect from and then writing your hopefully, you know, thoughtful notes that help the writer gets the phase. But you know, it's like I mean, we're working on scoring this film right now. I I was gonna say that feels like the next move. Yeah. And we just sat down and like went through every minute or the film where we thought there should be music, and what would you could song and gave options, and then where we should put our music, and it's like cool. So what's next? Well, we've got to watch it again. Oh, damn. Probably seen this movie. Like forty times have you guys ever a good movie? Got you guys ever scored podcasts or. Podcasts. Yeah. Funny. Yeah. I've watched that this podcast, cereal cereal. Yeah. On has the funniest music in it. It's like next week. Think you're so happy, but people getting murdered here. I heard you saying interview about and just asking about like the creating Basang, but you're telling the the guy that like you'd spent an hour like just fucking with like like making a bunch of sounds just like to try to like as you were building the track. And I was like dude, I can't even wrap my head around. How you guys create any given like what is it is it different from track to track? Or why think like I mean that idea got from Timbaland on used to do that over every track and timberlands like as Joe just telling this is funny you brought up or but like Timberline like I've I feel like we never get compared like as we shouldn't. He's the the OG, but like he's actually a huge musical influence on like our beats. And that's like something like all here's from Timbaland or any other artists and be like, I love the vibe of that. Like, let me try to make my version of it sounds really nothing like ten I hope maybe that's why. Yeah. Maybe that's why no on the comparison. You gotta get Tim Allen to come in from here. And you're like that was cool. How do I try and do that young? You're never going to do it. Exactly. Like that person did it. But then somewhere in there you find your own sound. Well, the you guys are real quick weirdest noise. You've made where you're like God that can't be in the song. We put a Phut hitting a toilet in sees. That's why I said hold up yet. Now, I'm thankful. Wait a minute. It's in the one it's in the one, but we were very versed in a lot of revert. It's actually a poo coming out of a toilet back into someone's. But that's fucking. The opening scene for Jack Amer. No. We harm percent left. It. God so here. So here's the thing. Hear the person go poo. Whose job was it to PU whose job was it to hold the microphone, but it's funny because we've cut it. I remember being like we can't like us. That's a funny. Bit of information during interviews about the album. We can't let them know this because they'll just use this against us. Really did they use their music like literally? There. You said it already. So it's like the Eminem seen from ABC. Yeah. Took a he took the bullets out of the gun. Yeah. So so you're good. Yeah. Straight up magic. I feel like it's the way it was that at some point in Vegas Copperfield's gonna come over. And be like, hey, how'd you do that shit in the bud? I'm looking for a new closer. Yeah. We had. Yeah. Yeah. Who whose what was that one person like at four o'clock in the morning drunk as hell someone one of us had accorded are shit's already. I like how you say one of us. It's like only one of us has, gene. I want to let you guys do at have. These sounds created that. Yes. Remember that we did this interview in time in Sweden and this kid pulled up with a laptop? And he so there's like a Midi controller is like a keyboard that can play like any sound that stand the Mike. Yeah. Sorry. And he had basically instead of a piano, he had recorded his farts and put them in this sampler, and he made me like play and sing closer over Swedish farts over Swedish farts. Yeah. Oh that would have been sometimes life is so fucking beautiful. You know? Yeah. I think I think that's the next remakes. I remember like the label who sets up these things was just like. This is the press. We'd liked to do is different. Yeah. No kidding. Well and good on you guys for being like when the guy comes in. And goes listen recorded the splashes of going into while you guys like, I'm listening. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. You want to hear more and in as a producer that that kind of has to be a weird thing where a we always are walking around. And we'll find jokes in anything. Like, you could hear Apu going into a water, go, wait. Somebody gets that. Hasn't happened. Yes. Yes. So you're not like walking around a guys on a skateboard. He falls in his skull like bounce off the payment. You're like, wait. Can you do that again? But that that was a great sound like some dog blood voice right there. Speaking of your like writing process, like is there, you know, some artists like to go away to like cabins, and like, you know, just get away. Like is there like track for track or album for album is there like you guys set up and go all right? Let's do it all here or let's go to one spot or let's go back to New York. And like where we find that old basement. We did it in. I feel like we've. Yeah. I feel like we've like toyed around that idea. But like, it's not really how we released music. Yeah. Like, we we're not making like the full album anymore. So it'd be cool. Like, I think it's like, oh, let's go to New York. And then maybe that will be like a cool to be there for a week to work on whatever the next song. Yeah. Give him spray. But it's definitely not like the Beatles. Where it's like, let's go to Cyprus or something for life or so a month in and create the next album, but I know a lot of ours. Do do that. I think we're just similar stuff here we all of our subs here. And I think we're like we just don't have time and also get bored of places, you know, what I mean. So it's like we like to like. Move around a lot. You know, not just be like, let's just go to this one place for, you know, six weeks we ever go out of your way to write a song or start one just for the story like being like on a private plane to some country or like in a bathroom stall like some place where you like you you start having negative and idea, and you just. Hey, man. This song was written actually had an adequate. Actually, Paris was I remember I was like we we put a show in actually Paris's written in Stockholm, and we're playing video in Stockholm. And we went to the studio after the show, and we were partying with a bunch of really amazing songwriters. And there's so many in Sweden. And and I remember in the bathroom, and I was trying to think of weird, and I was like we were staying in Paris get away from your parents. And I was like that's a weird line. And then went downstairs and wrote the whole first version how good. All you record. Yeah. Take a dump in Stockholm. Right. And you'll come up with a fantastic lyric. Well, they always your kid. Does that happen where you will get some that quick and go, oh, that's dope. That should definitely be questioning or I gotta gave trust yourself after a while. Right. Just like your friends and your team and stuff, and we really trust rob stringer who's the head of Sony Music now. And you know, a lot out I'll say a lot of like the music people that we've met have been kind of phony. But there's some people that are really fucking get it, and he's one of them. And I remember we came in. We played rob MRs after closer. So we had to like come with something, you know, good. Yeah. That fucking that blue. I mean was that like overwhelming how big that tune was was just all I mean, it's it's crazy, especially like and gate gets crazy crazy that when you look back at it. And you're like, oh my God. Like that thing. And you're like putting on other music that doesn't perform like that. And you're like, holy crap. That was a moment. Jason that song really millions of like views. I mean, it's insane. You know, it's wild and lucky to have that moment. But I don't think you can try to recreate it. No. He just happens. Or doesn't. But yeah, you can't you. You can't sit down and be like dry today. We're writing close to ten for that to become. When they come in and write with us closer today. I don't know how that happened. Yeah. You get reached out to by now or or when that song hit where there people that like that you looked up to that were like man fucking that song was like unbelievable. And you're like oh shit. These guys listen to our music. I mean, that's probably how we got in the studio coal play. Yeah. We got in touch with what through what Email now we have a bottle a couple of times. Yeah. We open with that. Yeah. Right. He's a man. I mean, he actually is a fucking like one of those dudes like immediately puts you at like rest and guess like I feel like I'm hanging out with my homie right now. So many good stories charismatic and just he's lived a life. I mean, every and everything I I was briefly on a radio show in San Francisco, and I got interview Bono which was saying madness because I'm just sitting there going what the fuck, and I ask this guy that he hasn't been asked before he's going to truly interviews in. And as soon as he got as soon as he got on the phone with us. He's talking like we've been hanging out. Oh, that's he has that superpower. Yeah. That's why you're the front man of the biggest band in the world is like you're just are able to do that. Did he give you any advice? Would you ask for it? When you get a chance to talk to them. We'll tons of advice. But actually like we use we called them like the practice were like, hey, can we call you and have a conversation. And then we wanna pick piece. Of the conversation to like us, potentially as an intro to one of the songs on the album. And he was like sure, you know, sounds good. And then return we like I forgot we give them like a piece of some us. If we did or something here, we put we played on one. Yeah. One of the goods, but but he was like sure no problem. Like, we already knew that. Like, you don't have a conversation with them and something important. Yeah. Yeah. He's a so we weren't like really too concerned about the topic. We're just just get on the home give us fifteen minutes. And that's all we need. And there was like forty pieces of thing. And we got chopped it up put it on the album, and it's funny because we're like this is so sick. Like, someone's definitely gonna notice this. Nobody knows it. Was like who is this Irish guy? Yeah. This on. This on. I couldn't believe it like even like, really like like popular music outlet like your time's music. Yeah. Pitchfork, and like, maybe it shouldn't care. I don't know. But it was like, you know, like, it's shocked me because I was like, wow. It was so cool. What he said. And it was like lead into this. Great song. That's so weird. That like a and then you you listen like Bano just talk casually and the newest one guy like Bruce Springsteen. Just talk interview, you're like, oh, you talk in lyrics. Yeah. So you like like you're like how did you write that song? You're like, oh, you probably just talk for a while came out like that. Because you're talking on the streets of Philadelphia. Vannice? Is there is there a moment where you guys like with comics? You know, you just have to get reps to get that experience to get to a point to where you like trust that when you think of something you're like, oh, yeah, I'm going to take that to the states tonight. Because I think there's something there enough to to build on like when does that moment happen for you? And that's only thing that you can use to like guide. You is like remember the moments when like you felt a certain type away about a sound or a week or whatever and then trying to access that again. Yeah. And Jackie like that. That's a recurring feeling that you have to be like, oh, yeah. I really fucked with this. We need we need to like push further. Bring this needs to be a thing. I can imagine you go in the studio, right? When you're starting over and you're like fuck like, what do we do like how to write just building? And you never know where it's gonna come from like inspiration of your creativity. I always say is the hardest thing to possibly do. What say that? Again, cultivating. Your creativity is like the hardest thing to do is an artist like and remembering like, I look at these guys that have been banned for like thirty years. And I'm like, how do you guys still like, no like what's dope, and has to be that one thing, you know, because the sound of music and their sound, and what's popular changed? So many times. How do you like no one knew got something still, you know? Yeah. There was a time. Trumbull Wamba was on top of the world. What a confusing time. What a great time. You were what we were just talking about Trumbull one place at talking with them. All right. Well, fly them out here. But yeah, I mean, that's so true. I mean, those trends in music, and like, you know, it's it's it's it's scary thing. And I think that's like also partially why we are lucky to get in studio. Someone people we do because you know, they're like interested in getting a taste of like a different generation of music listeners that were more maybe in tune with. And they feel like they are going to be like so much of this is just mental. You know what I mean? And it's like, you know. Right now, hip hop is the ruler of the music, you know, airwaves, and it's amazing. And like, I think like probably some artists are discouraged by that. That aren't hip hop artists. But it's like, yeah. You're just doesn't mean people aren't listening to you. You know what I mean? And so I think you just gotta persevere. And like one thing we're always very mindful of is we don't chase trends. You don't very adamant about that. Or not listen too, much the woods. I mean, we'll listen to everything and be influenced by everything. But it's like we won't be like well like this. You know? Yeah. We should make a song. The sounds like. So we're not gonna see a chain smokers. Mumble rap. Not yet not getting faced hats either. So. Yeah, I mean, I think you good. It's it's funny that can kind of parley into this question, which I loved ask people. Did you have a I sort of crazy rockstar rockstar purchase? We like holy crap. I got a check for X amount of dollars. Like, I'm gonna go get. I'm get Charlie Conway's hockey stick from d to the Mighty Ducks. Like like is that still mean, I'm just putting it out there? Joe? Jess jackson. We know you're fan is he I don't know. Can give you that stick? No. But like did you have like a first major rockstar purchase? We're so boring. Got like a dog. Area. They're actively like having a kid you bought a friend. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. That's a rock going retriever. Yeah. They're great. Classic dog. Class dog. Wasn't that the dog was a golden retriever shadow? Nice one. Homeward bound. That's what I specialize in friendship. Thank you guys. This is like that moment in stepbrothers where you guys are just going to look like. Your favorite golden retriever off tonight low. I'll see like other musicians or whatever. So we get like a golden. Got going now, I'd be like what you hang out literally for no other than you know, that like who just got a golden Calvin Harris got a golden. Wow. But I was like now we should hang out is valid only really be. We can just sit there and talk, you know, like we don't have to talk about anything other than then playing. The look at them. When you guys at the Victoria's Secret fashion show was that was that your pickup line like you just walk up until malls ago. Yeah. Yeah. Did. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry going every so cute though. It's funny. Because like I mean that was such an amazing experience if your part, but like that's when you were like, yeah, I'm on my best behavior, not like, India, bad behavior. But you're like this is like this is where like a normal guy would just lose his mind by you know, like breakdown you're like I have to be the most consummate gentleman here like jacket over puddle. And you know, it's just it was such a cool experience. And like mostly the reason I say that is because like these girls are working so hard all year long for this one moment here, and you just don't wanna blow it for them. Swinging w with your guitar you're gonna stand in front of them. You don't wanna like? That's been collection of our moments performing with our song for the first time ever with coal play at the Brits awards the Grammys. And oh, yeah. And it was just like Kobe's never fucked up live. You know, what I mean, not let this be the moment. Got. Apartments and. About how many people was that. I mean, you know on arena TV thing. But you're just like, you know, how the internet is like before you could get away with something and people just have to talk about it. Like, remember like? Yeah. Know, I didn't see it. Now. Oh, it's gonna happen. I mean, I remember one MTV MTV amaze after nirvana performance christova Celik through his base up in the air. It was like I'm gonna throw it up in the. I'm gonna throw it up in the air. And I'm going to catch it catch. It it landed on his head. And you see him like stumbling around the stage definitely can cause. Yeah. And you're just like, wow. So you just trying to make sure you don't have that moment where a hundred percent. And it's like, and like those like we played, you know, we've had a couple of big things. And I mean, some things definitely didn't go that smooth. But you know, every aspect I mean, it's like nobody's one hundred percent. But it's like when they are thing. And you're just like listen, this is our game to lose we lose. It's like on a on us. But when it's like, I'm going to ruin coal play. Follow about four. Yeah. More like, you know, like just like the Batori secret show just goes like the biggest blooper manner. Just like, I don't want that you know. There's do seem pretty an eye as we wrap up here. Thanks again for doing this. Of course. Is a great time. But like norm took me to the iheartradio wards when you guys wanna think this was maybe year, go or. I love how you're looking at me. Like, I wasn't there. You guys have won a ton of wards. And like what you see is what you get with you guys, which is pretty dope. Like, we interviews online. And like, I remember even saying, which is crazy to be here with you. Now, I put it on my vision board that I would be here. But but I didn't that's creepy. But but seeing you guys on stage when you're accepting the award, and you just seem so chill, and then lack watch him stuff, and he's seen performances and here you guys talk today. Like, it's really I think it contributes to like your success and definitely like your work ethic and like having like a good head on your shoulders like it does. And it doesn't appreciate you saying. Stop backfire. Complimented self is exactly what I want to hear. Say you're on a piece of shit. Yeah. I'm just saying like I feel like people don't want to see that though. They want like six nine they want like when you ask the question of like, what was the most expensive thing you like balling, you got money. It's like oh. An elephant. Dead now. Take care of feeding. Yeah. Impeded groups are all over my ass. Right. But like, we're just we just are like to chill regular dudes. And like like, you know, and I feel like there's there's a there's a celebrities are like you're not celebrity enough. You know, what I mean and regular people are just like that. We don't want you to be regular, you know, like the be more like outlandish, just, you know. So it's like, I think when we get together people like everyone always that's like the thing that we critique that you're also the boy, I think that's like the we're the awkward Donaldson downfall. But I like down down calls. We're just like the fans are taking a turn. When you buy an elephant. Yeah. Like, oh, yeah. Because we didn't have one. Anyways. Thanks. So and you guys are obviously on social media. That's that's no, you do you like to post and whatever. Like, it's a challenge for us is comics to always be like, you just you gotta do it feels like really vein. It does have to remind myself how awesome awesome shit idea. Breakfast. I really need to put a photo this. But yeah, you do. He's going Instagram those cats, I want my own pair those pants. Hey, we're going to make this happen. I know I don't know if baby gap sells the gene flannel combo. They have. There you go. There is value at your shows and stuff when people are posting like Chris posted that video at your shows. Like, oh, I can't wait to fucking go to that. Because insane. So that is definitely part of it. I think it's like, you know, there's benefits and there's drawbacks yards. Like, I, you know, I think if you have millions of followers to sores or extra pressure where like fog, we should do it or I feel like he just I mean like, you know, it's like the same thing. If you like if you're like seventeen ROY now, like Instagram means an entirely different thing to you that you grew up just like used to being like, I video everything I do like, maybe a lot of people watch it. Maybe a lot of people do for us. It was like this introduction of a way to reach fans, and like let people into your world a little bit more. But also, you're still we're still like I don't wanna let you in. Totally you donate. Sure that distance. And that's like a I think a benefit in, you know, the positive and negative depending on like, it definitely making a lot of people lose their fucking mind. Really? You're going to keep your elephant to yourself as what you're going to have. He hears me. Peanut. So stay typically exactly, and that's never will make fun of them for like really isn't even a peanut. Elephant name. Well, you guys are the shit get the win. I mean, obviously like anything I mean like, obviously will do a bunch of stuff in the intro. But if you want people to like go check out right now, he had the memes of us. Instagram. There you go. Right. Positive things in the communist. Post your favorites? And we will come to one of the shows at the wind. Yeah. Please do that'd be awesome. And I want to suggest and Brad has said yes to it before when I've suggested for other things getting a either a tiny parachute to four cannon to shoot him into the crowd. I'll listen Steve Wynn goes out there on a raft. And he throws cakes at people. Steve Steve Wynn, AO keys. That guy. You're banned for property. All of saying is that you can do it at the win. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. He he's got his own thing. You you have your dwarf cannon. And it sound like unethical got a lot of friends we can get that like big thing that the that the clippers us it's like a machine gun for t shirts just load in like age wars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just eight of us seems like a lot. That's just not right. And you're like defense. Look, he loves it. How he was born loves it. They said about animals that cruelly are excelling. You're like we about you loves. Water. Tell him. I love it. I love they're not just paying me. I love it. And I love Steve Wynn too. The best. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody. It's me. Tony. Listening to the about last night. Williams it Adam rate boy a lot of why don't you should scribe on this podcast? Give them a five star ratings. 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Part 1: Jay Privman, Alex Waldrop, Johnny D

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Part 1: Jay Privman, Alex Waldrop, Johnny D

"The acklin Ford's presented razors with Steve and becoming interview. Yeah this is Steve a very good Monday they race fans Sirius. Xm To o-on sports. Oh nine sixty four you're listening to Sirius. Xm Online and then our website. Steve Dot Com and arriving here at the the the last show of of the calendar year always always the last show of the calendar year. Now it's you know it. It's always a little special and is it. Melancholy melancholy. You can decide based based on the conversations as we wrap up twenty nineteen and I I don't I don't have A. I don't have a ready description year of the blank year ear of the year of the year of the controversy. That year of the the. I don't know I don't know year of the loose horse year of the there's so many different things that we could we could tack on. Maybe yeah maybe one this kind of free association the Year of the new normal about that. How about that? The J. IS GONNA join us after the first break. And my all my planning to be here today revolved around the Santa Anita Opening Day on Thursday except that opening day is going to be Saturday and the news that the weather forecast had essentially cowed management into delaying the opening day. I mean that that's a story in and of itself obviously aside from the actual interesting racing and I guess the del Mar alleged riff on this but the del Mar our precedent and we talked about it at the time in November. If you'RE GONNA postpone and cancel and delay whatever out of the fear of of a wet track and wet tracks don't preclude more incidents than I just. I don't know I I I to me is such a tortured scenario and I just imagine that this is going to be based on. Also the CHR be approving an inclement weather policy. The new policy is to determine if the track is deemed safe for racing and training during or just after a weather kvant it addresses severe or harsh weather. Conditions including extreme apertures. I wince lightning and precipitation decisions Walter. Racing we're training will be Vaden coordination with the track who pretended racetrack management the Jockey's guild in the HR V. Safety Steward with notification to the Te'o CNC horses will not be permitted needed to train on sealed tracks now that as a standalone policy that has some merit based on what we know and what seems to be the potential for the development of fishers and similar issues that training the on and potentially Subsequently coming back That that part of it is is worth pursuing and there's a lot there to understand but the blanket fear is is very tough to digest. I'll tell you because this is. This is not a enterprise racing collectively. This is not an enterprise at any level to run scared aired. I scared money as betters. Scared talk fail scared to try new things. This is said this many many times. It's a it's a sport it's a game. It's an industry that depends ends on an counts on bold and impervious this confidence. So I I they find it. I find it troubling and difficult and I. It's so many of the things that we've been discussing really all year here in the second half of the year anyway as as these pressures mounted than exterior pressures from people who have no clue not even an out of comprehension of what's involved in this and and you know the day to day and what constitutes the tubes the enterprise and that's what we're taking our our clues from my APP. Sorry I'll get it. I mean we we all extreme temperatures wind and so forth dangerous conditions. Okay yet but we're going to not run out of the potential for wet weather okay. I don't I don't know where we go from here. We'll see meanwhile before I get to before I get to some interesting results and set up We've only got by the way. Got Ninety minute of live radio for today and then ninety on tape because I've I've got A. I've got a head out A- At ten thirty so given what transpired and the fact that I don't have a chance we're going to get a chance to go over the Santa. I need a car W we'll touch on it with J.. With the Lebron. The Malibu principally and look next Saturday is going to be spectacular the going to be a tremendous day because suddenly you got the La Brea. The Malibu The San Antonio and the Mathis Brother Mile which you the four but then the American oaks was already scheduled of course for Saturday and the Frankel and the lady shamrock. So it's a it's a Breeders Cup up all divisions type of of an afternoon. We'll be great but the so look at the question of just being on the twenty six th and the day after Christmas I guess that part of it doesn't it's not the biggest biggest issue but we'll play play the ball where lies as as as as they say on the leaks before I talk about some results from the weekend and set up everything else. Alex Waldrop is GonNa join us Friday night while you were either playing Hong Kong or whatever else they were doing Friday night wrapping presents the the tax depreciation deal was finalized and One Alex explain. It's very important here at the end of the year. The understand another if you saw the Don. Little junior from centennial Some of the things he talked about with me the earlier this year don sent that out the other day as a reminder and of course the Greens the Green Group and everything that Mr Green son John have been doing they were sponsoring sponsoring the CDN writer's room show once a week. John Sits in quite a bit and they've been stressing attack preparations of what you know what you could do benefit wise as owners but the depreciation deal and again the at the work exceedingly hard to get rebooted. After after it sort of there was there was in the tax bill. From from two years ago there was some provisions There were still okay but this is a this affects a lot more people title and the depreciation of your stock over three years instead of seven obviously is important so let. Let's talk about that. And then Johnny. Johnny joins us the news. That is just so horrific and mind boggling at Peru Yesterday the the the attack and literally the murder of four stallions. It's at Harris Barlow Vento in Connecticut Peru and not not unimportant or or just inconsequential bloodstock. Either the lieutenant who rose to opportunity for the Warren's and Michael McCarthy the street sense son brother of justifying Cyrus Alexander Jerry Holland or for trainee that by Italia Goro WPRO brother of Super Sabre timely advice who might not remember or know all that much but an e. PND OUT OF PIN OAKS confessional. That Graham motion train she. She won the present and was a multiple. I mean she won. She won a lot if you remember confessional timely advice and then kung-fu Mumbo who was a giant's causeway and Argentinian bred that was a top performer in Peru and further word after the initial were yesterday yesterday group came in shot the guard and then slaughtered the a four and word today from Boris Schwartzman. Who owns the farm? The further word comes that they were killed for the meat. And it's just the whole thing. Is it's numbing. Just incredible huge blow course for everybody involved all the connections that had. Ah You know hand in in the horses careers and second careers including Becky Thomas. Who was standing the lieutenant in an in New York? It's just I don't even know what to say it just incredible horrific Couple of other pieces of news that will dive into and results head to the break. Ace The J. in here how about the performances from the weekend diamond oops Meduse I love it We said that Mr Prospector was was doing a was part of this group of of the excise jet and the period and we knew we know with Mike Welch other day that that and That this was not so simple seventy-two diamond oops and Patrick pincone Cohn moves around like a like a night on a chessboard. Leper ru aboard and winds clear. One second choice choice X. Y.. Jet Set up a fast pace. twenty-one just under twenty to forty three and four one eight and then dropped anchor period hit was chasing that pace and got overhauled the not only buy diamonds lasting legacy who looked like a a player in ear off as the actually is the fourth Joyce five to one. Zen didn't when I start for pletcher he got to chase the never. Really Kinda loomed never really engaged into a contending attending scenario also at Gulfstream. The and. I'm curious various now because I I had checked earlier. But I'm curious about that. Made winner carplay omnious and you know for those. That had listened to Welsh the other day. Mike said that there was a minus workout in the in the body of the sixth race of those mates and it was carpet obvious. Bs that had it eighty-three buyer in a very solid debut for the carpet diem. Coal out of the Tis. Now Mayor Sienna perform bread. Five hundred fifty thousand dollars as a keeneland yearling. This is China Horse Club and Winston so unveiling just in time before the season ends at fairgrounds. We talked a lot of fun about the Santa Saturday card. And what a good card. It was some of the results. We kind of expected that I'm GONNA start rather than the stakes. The two year old race wins map with cassie. We talked about eighty two buyer beating. Mr Monoploy keep an eye on that that group of course it was sloppy and you needed to be involved in a couple of other. Things happened in there. That hundred and fifty thousand dollar claim of pioneer spirit. It came back. Okay because Diadora set them out to a nice win by the way Amos Amos gase both of those horses we talked about with both witter's Friday Thursday Friday. Let's take a break. Jay Ribbon starts us off last day of the year at the races. It's with Steve on Sirius. XM radio what's going on. Mike and I'm GonNa tell you about an offer from my good friends at express but let's be honest we know you'll love playing the racist but you can always make it to the track. Sometimes life just gets in the way of a good bet. What if I told you about a place where you're never miss it and you start with house money? It's Sam crazy right now. Your first one hundred and twenty five bucks on them sign up and express bet dot com Promo Code pick. That's B. Y K and you'll get one hundred twenty five bucks when you wage a five hundred within your first thirty days. See what I mean house money just for playing the racist you were going to bet anyway. Oy CHECKOUTIGT DOT COM for more information. 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That's right Yes yes well I I you know I think I may have. I think I might have already packed it in on Seinfeld by the time festive introduced. Wow you need you need to go back. Well yeah I mean it there. There's so many great tradition about festivus airing up grievances of strength. I mean there's some great traditions that are involved in that I think you really need to embrace it WELL IF WE WANNA if we WANNA talk funny. I'm Gumby dammit. That was Saturday night. Yeah why would Eddie Murphy. The other day was just tremendous. Mister Robinson's neighborhood. I I laughed so hard crying it was just so funny. The gumby stuff with the weekend updated Stewart was fantastic. It it it. It's amazing to me. I mean a thirty five year Spread for Eddie Murphy between appearances and I it it doesn't seem possible and he it's amazing he could just step right back in the virtually everything so perfectly it was it it was it was remarkable. Was Great Yeah Yeah Yeah and boy. It's almost as if twitter invented granted itself just for this moment so that everybody could. There's so many people reliving era. It made it really Sunday. The morning was as much fun because I there were so many funny things that people reactions and memories it was great I got a big kick Out of IT I. I'll I'll talk to Casey later. But one of the funniest comments somebody listed who was on the show and they said this is the black Saturday night. Live ever the all the that having having those legends. The co- comedy legends lined up. There in the opening was amazing. It was is great. It was Chris Rock and Dave Chapelle it was and it was just. It was great. Well I I J you and I had planned this. And we're looking forward to celebrating one of the Great Days and and on the racing calendar opening Santa Anita and that'll be delayed. Forty eight hours your thoughts about what transpired I mean it. It's really kind kind of the appropriate code to twenty nineteen isn't it. Yeah that that wet wet there. There's a weather delay for racing racing at Santa Anita So opening gail. Now be on Saturday instead of Thursday And you'll one shot of this. Is that the cards Saturdays. Maybe unbelievable there's seven stakes race because there were five or originally for Thursday including the two grade ones for Thursday. Both the Malibu and the La brea both of which are going to have some pretty significant marquee names in those races like Omar I beach and developing respectively And then you've got now. Were Tuesday already scheduled for Saturday. That'll stay on the Saturday card. The American oaks and the Robert Frankel. So you'll have a seven steak card now to kick things off and I'm told that they're gonNA card eleven races and the first supposedly at eleven o'clock Pacific Time Saturday. So that's that's what they're going to be driving today here. Jay from from what we saw in Nov November at del Mar at the time it felt those two Thursday cancellations. They felt like they were as much preventative as they were lacking in in potential Henschel entries and and so it it made for two very good. Last weekend's of of the del Mar me but at the same time it felt like it was creating creating a precedent. Now we see. Hr be stamped inclement weather policy. What does it portend for for the for the season going a whole new world out here what as to what it portends? The case of DEL Mar.. I think the first Thursday that they didn't run. I mean that really was going and that was the middle part of the mead probably would have been the worst car to the meat and I think to not run. That day was probably a a good business decision. Anyway just have better racing concentrated on fewer days Thanksgiving when they wanted to run that Abe but the weather was was really foul and they could see it coming and they and they ended up abandoning your debt card as well And and also it's kind of analogous August. What's the enemy is doing this week They abandoned both the Thursday and Friday. Carton just ran on the on the weekend they had tremendous business those days days Because of because of that so but to your question what it portends winter it. It's it's it's a whole all new world and You know how it's GonNa unfold. I don't think anybody knows for sure. But there's definitely been as you pointed out Policies put forth by the racing board regarding how to handle inclement weather. And we're going to see how that gets navigated navigated this winter You Know I. It's just it's so hard to predict because you don't know what the weather's going to be like to begin with You know if you have a really wet winter how. How much will that impact racing? And what if what if that whether happens in a significant amount on the weekends post during the week I mean. There's all kinds of permutations of this that. I don't think anybody can predict how it's going to play out until it actually happens and It's it's it's a whole new. Become a whole new world out here. Over the past twelve months well everybody'll readjust adjust and there's other things to occupy is Thursday and Friday after Christmas That includes The Bob Fordis- this At the Thursday at fairgrounds and there's also some other holiday racing that's already been drawn and Laurel and and much more so we'll we'll give everybody a quick rundown before we wrap up the later today Jay le- let's at least We don't have the fields drawn a line up but we do know a lot of the principles and of course all all eyes on Omaha Beach. Start with the Malibu and it seems like he's on edge boy. He looked terrific yesterday. I was up at Santa Anita Saturday and Sunday mornings. Yes and he put in a sharp breeze yesterday morning. Steve Mandela was GONNA work. I'm three furlongs. Just kind of an easy. Three furlongs originally originally built with the rates originally being scheduled on Thursday but because the race was moved back to Saturday he still working three furlongs. There wasn't much faster work and one of the reasons he worked in yesterday as opposed to today. Because there's not going to be training on the track dealing with the weather so the all that combined for Omaha beach to go three furlongs and thirty four then Gal about but another furlong plus past the wire they could had trouble pulling them up and that time was more than two seconds faster than the next fastest three long breeze yesterday morning There were thirty one horses work. He looks fantastic. If you get a chance to see the tape like on XP TV or something like that you'll notice he's coming to the wire goes past the BAFFERT horse. That is not in the picture. Initially but then he goes pass them. That is ax. Man is pretty good sprinter and he roars past him now granted he was only going three furlongs and actually I was finishing up a five as worked. But it wasn't like he was going by some twenty thousand maiden quaver. She's a massive So he as you pointed out uh he is he's definitely looks like he's on Edge But the racist coming up you've got your roadster is gonNA cut back I know a complete stinker last diamond del Mar but he has run very well at seven eighths and he came out of the last race a little bit sick so I think you'll see an improved performance from India. Then you've got complexity who shipped in here for Chad Brown has been here and has been training here And obviously back on the beam was the way he He performed most recently. So those are some of the principles in that race. I suppose Omaha beach with a win. Year has has a chance to shoulder into become a finalist for three year old champ to get a little nod a little little salute I would i. Would I think absolutely and I think he's got a chance to be a finalist already anyway seventy two sprint championship. Win and Arkansas. Derby win But yes certainly another a great one win in the Malibu making it the least a finalist. I think you would probably get some support for the division champion though. I don't think a win it but I think he'd get get some support in that regard of the I think he got a smattering of votes for first place even Along with the likes of Code of honor and maximum security which feels like. You're finalists right. I mean that just seems like and we'll come around to We'll come around to maximum security a little bit Some news involving can't can't can't go get-go Forty eight hours without maximum security news Jay Jay. How about a glance at the La brea as well? We'll Belarmino be favored in that race. Coming off that really. Good second-place finish in the Breeders Cup Zillionaire Liam Sprint behind Professor Who's going to win that division for the female sprint title. But I thought delvina very good race. That day is runner. UNWRAP So she'll be favored in that Then you've got dolls the one shipped in for our friend he'll pass them The winner of the Raven. Run at Keeneland. And you'll be happy to know that he was asking for plenty of restaurant recommendations for and I told him that that you would disown. He and I if I didn't send them over the Falkland so that was on the list is going to go with fossil lies here good work good work. We've got the one and Bella Fina among the top OP contenders for for the for the La Brea and it does feel Yeah with with Callahan. Having cut Bella Fina back at it does feel like you know she. She is really going to be dedicated to this to this kind of assignment and it feels like as the four year old she. She'll be a major player in the Philly in Sprint Division. Going forward and if everybody enters in this that were was rumored. This'll be a nice. This'll be fun race Dandy Gab anything else about the card J.. That caught your eye. The dissipated guard yet ED San Antonio older horses Gift Box that sanity. The handicapped butter is going to return. He hasn't run since the Stephen Foster oster. And he's trained lights out Ease he is ready to pick up where he is at his best based on the way he's training so looking looking forward to seeing him back in action for John Sadler and that'll give Saturday nice. One Two punch of older horses along with higher power heading into the winter and for braces both both in the US and overseas I I think he's GonNa. If both are running at top level he's GonNa try and do a divide and conquer walker and send one of them To The mid East and the other for races ear we'll beginning with Pegasus Samuda handicap those types of races. Then you got the big overseas races in February and March very well. It's going to be a wonderful Saturday and people will people will adjust and should be good. You know not that not. That Thursday. Wouldn't have been about a banner Business Day. this'll make for are really a particularly outstanding Saturday of racing and I imagine For for handle so we'll see where everything else else goes moving forward and J that leads me actually before anything else. You didn't mention this Anthony to sprint championship and That popped in my mind Friday as we were getting off. The Air The News of the American graded stakes committee decisions. And my only only riff is could they maybe have tabled the decisions on Santa Anita this this felt like a little kicking. Do you know kicking somebody. While they're down. Well I thought that sentiment expressed by you know like Andy serling you know and I think there's I i. I think that would be a bad precedent to set honestly You're my biggest issue with the the downgrades you can you there's always that's a thankless job. Let's start with that for the camera. I wouldn't want I would not want to do that. But I find it hard to believe that the two major sprint preps in New York and California for the Breeder's Cup sprint have now been downgraded from grade one degree to those being Vosper in the Samuda Sprint Championship in particular in the Samna Sprint Championship The last three three winners were Omaha beach and then to previous years roy agent Roy H and in both two thousand eighteen twenty seventeen. Roy H ended up being the Breeders Cup later in the eclipse award winner. So it's an prior to that you had Lord Nelson and then going back to twenty thirteen for instance points off the bench. She was the champion in that year of ill-fated points off the bench so the the argument from what I saw of those who were involved in the process was that the depth adopt these fields was not commensurate with it staying grade one and I think there's a there's a high wire act that needs to be reassessed. I hear it particularly California There are horseman who will ship if they are in a situation where there's an overwhelming favorite in a race and not just withstanding spring championship and just talking in general here That there's more of a a a willingness to ship West East than there is to get horses to come out here. I mean. Fortunately there's the you know. Roosevelt World War glorious exception to that but more significantly writ large for not only California racing but everywhere is that the fall crops are down and the numbers of time that horses race is is down from thirty or forty years ago and I think the methodology by which the greatest stakes committee uses to compile. Their numbers. is an which is a very large is part of how they ended up deciding what moves up and what moves down. I think there needs to be a real strong statistical reassessment or reassessment of the statistics that are used to For coming up with some of their numbers because it doesn't reflect in my opinion. What has what? The trend has been in racing since this started. And that needs to be down and I just I know where people were really upset over the Santa Anita Oaks which also was downgraded out here And yet another race roller fillies and Mares but my biggest one was my jaw drop was the Samuda Sprint Championship. I just defy anybody to look at the quality of the horses that have dominated that race and what they had done previously what they've done on to do and say that that's not a great one rate. That just doesn't pass the logic gesture me and I get it and they're you know this. This fits in j two that same discussion about the the the prep races. Whether it's the classic trail or in this case Breeders Cup and the balance or the deep the construct of whether all or none of the preps should be great ones uh-huh and when you downgrade the wood and the bluegrass and you leave you leave the Santa Anita Derby and the Arkansas Derby in the Florida Derby as great ones. There's an imbalance there and then it becomes sort of a self fulfilling prophecy because the quote unquote the best horses. The horses with the upside aside. They're going to gravitate to the great ones because of the scarcity for three year old males on the long on the dirt. You end up you end up creating a vacuum for the for the other races so either to me. They're all they all should be great twos or they all should be great once but But once you start down this road you've you've created you're creating a bit of a a bit of a sinkhole there there's definitely leave elements of that. I don't know that I completely agree with what you're saying because I think some preps are better than others. But but I I I think your point is something that needs to be worked out the other sort of variation on that theme Steve Is. It does create sort of a feedback loop where you'll by virtue of having running a grade one race when you subsequently come back and running another race. It's like Oh look bet grade one horse in that race so that race must be good so it's kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. Going forward as well. Not only you know to to what you were just pointing out but but there's sort of the down the line aspect of it as well. Well there's two other graded stakes inflation over the last thirty or forty years when you look at the full crops. And and look at the number of graded stakes races. That there are I really think there needs to be sort of an entire overhaul the whole process and a reassessment of of the the grade inflation I don't know that there should be as many grade. One races now was there. Were thirty years ago when you look at the at the fall crops. There's been an ebb and flow. They've gone happened. started a trend back down which is good. But I don't know if they're quite there yet and uh-huh healthy properly it is it is and that and that was something and hammer you know all the years we would get to this date and hammer would explain a lot of the things that Mike Dempsey many times would would come on representing the greatest state committee and explain things and and I I sent out the link on Friday Friday. So yeah because people have a gut reaction to this every year and if you go to the towboat website Tova Dot Org thoroughbred owners and Breeders Association under which which the Aj Se is the auspice. All of this is explained. The worksheets are there and had in fact your air exactly. We'll Walker Hancock Walker Walker showed the santita oaks and and Craig Beranek he. He also put up a worksheet and and so people can get a feel for how this works. Because it isn't done it's not arbitrary. There's no style points here. This is not the German judge but my argument is I. Don't I don't know was it. The methodology that they're using basing that on as has motte has been modernized for for real. For what the real world is day fair enough and they we have but I was angry to the point that you know as hammered explained. They were they were trying based on full crop issues. And so forth of paring back back so that there were less graded stakes and less grade wants to make them more More deer essentially one thing. That's very noticeable. The obvious to anybody that saw the upgrades Is the TURF. The turf is the turf is marching forward. And before it Marcy Chris Pine Ridge the pilgrim the edgewood the Bourbon the Belmont Turf Sprint Championship or Invitational Championship. The kittens et CETERA. I mean left threaten center the turf just Is Tearing up the turf. Well when you've got lots of grade one races for for three year. Olds you create that feedback loop where horses run another racism. It's like look at all those horses that are now running another race. That's great three. Maybe we should make it actually great too because all the Greg horses that have run in there. You got your clips awards out the number of forces at one grade one race on the grass is just it's almost laughable. There's there's just wait. And they automatically go on the ballot if you win a great one. You're on the ballot and the number of grade. One grass winners is crazy and you know the some of the names that are on there like I didn't realize that horse won a grade one race but they did and there they are And that's US you know so. Yeah there's been I think there's some great inflation and turf and I think that that's something that I think needs to be reassessed because when you've got I'm GonNA count them up right now. One two three four five six. This is just mail surf. Reagan winners seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifty the seven teen on the ballot. Seventeen different voices one grade one grass raises North America. That what do that as well. It matters like it Horse been like it More stallions are in service that that get grass horses. It's part of the shifting sands and it gets US J. to a perfect juncture to kind of sum up twenty nineteen and kind of a year in review from your perspective. I two words to say about twenty nineteen good riddance. I was GONNA say goodbye. I knew I knew Louis. That's true I knew you were headed there actually. Yeah that that seems to be everybody sentiment. I mean it's just been everywhere. Let's start obviously. I've been most involved with what's gone in southern California and and that's just been you know one got punch after another beginning beginning with the whole Santa Mita situation from back in February and March of last year and it's continued on you know through this year but let's look at what's happened in other insurance Dixon's about naira where you had the guy who was in charge having to resign because he had an employee doing housework How how `Bout Chicago where Being license for Arlington was not filed by the track owner How about what happens at Monmouth Park with the the hassle and the heat pet day and what that card ended up being There was just like craziness everywhere and that you know. And then of course you had a disqualification of the winter and the Kentucky Derby for the first time in history and the stewards refusing to answer questions about their decision following that which hopefully will lead to some better communication So there was Jerry Holland or for situation Ad Infinitum. It's just been one crazy thing after another and one thing you brought up can generally earlier that I want to circle back to you regarding this year you mentioned that fairgrounds founders running the Bob Fordis- and the past this past year and there were just a number of really prominent people who unfortunately are no longer with us and I just wanted to mention you know and this is by no means an exhaustive list but there were just a few in when I was sort of reviewing I unfortunately keep a list because because I do year reviews story for the racing form and we're just a few names that you know when I was going back through this In preparation for our call today that I just wanted to make mention of In this particular order but the past year we lost people like Mary. Lou Whitney and Richard Hazleton and Randy Romero and JJ kroupi Ronnie virgets Tim Conway John mcevoy and carmine Armand Barreira Admira among many others unfortunately but So as I said good riddance to twenty nine hundred well we will look forward. You'd had a twenty twenty. Everybody gets a fresh start and the horses have a birthday coming up. Collectively and J I I as always thank you for everything a great year. A coverage on your on your different beats and plus the companionship when we get together on the road and I wish you an and everybody tangentially Just a wonderful happy healthy twenty twenty and we'll talk to you as well Tina and I'll say what I do every year at this time of year. I don't I don't know how you do three hours a day every day and the sports lucky that you do so Enjoy your time off for the holidays. I think you've earned it. Thank you Jay. Mary sorry CAN I. J. D. R. Have Been America's Turf Authority cents. Marty McGee went to elementary school. But we'll take a break. We'll come back Alex. wardrobes going to join us from the N.. T. R. A. OF COURSE AND Alex and Keith. and the Alpine group and everybody managed to to get that peanut up the hill again. They pushed the peanut and got the depreciation law in just in time. Alex Wardrobe joins us then Johnny and then we will wrap it up for Twenty Nineteen Gene Derby Barbie ear. She's her first full day of vacation off school and we got the we got the guys downstairs. We're we're we're talk talk about getting over the goal line so close to finishing the kitchen so close. We got a few things to do yet back back after this. Alex joins us at the racist apperances with Stephen It on Sirius. XM radio to vilify harassment. 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It'll be because is the depreciation extension was signed into law late Friday night and everything was tracking positively and it got over the goal line. Alex Merry Christmas happy New Year. Happy to be here having all that saying to you I appreciate it and Alex. Give everybody the thumbnail on what this means. Because there's been a couple of different variations of the depreciation rules the last several years and anybody that got into ownership obviously regular owners. That are veterans. They know and they follow closely. But for those of you you that might have gotten into ownership this year. You need to know what What happened Friday? Actually it's anyone who's gotten into ownership in the last two two years ago right that came into place at the end of this year relates back to two thousand eighteen and two thousand thousand nine hundred and will continue through two thousand twenty to be clear we have a bonus depreciation right now for owners which means that if you buy I yearly you can write off the entire cost of that horse in the year purchase and for most owners. That's a huge benefit is very helpful and hand. Can't forget that we were able to accomplish. Last week. was to help a certain niche of our owners and that would be a passive owners people who are in partnerships people who do not who can't need to the test for active ownership unfortunately as a horse owner. And that's a pretty high bar so they're Waka folks out there who own voices who have a day job they do something else For them their income is passive income and having the ability to write it off in near one is not optimal for them. What's best for them is to be able to write off in a way that's mashes their income opportunities and so of course they think that generally flow Paul's between the between the two year old and the five year old and three year depreciation the way it's applied we're going to those details but it basically hits the owner to from the the end of the two year old season the two year old campaign to the middle of the five zero? So it's a it's a bonus because those those his owners are key to our business they're they're passive. They have other things to do. But if there's anything we need business right now it's new owners people say we have title or shortage but we have as an owner shortage and so anything that encourages owners to to join the business to to buy a horse to get into game That's a good thing. And so three depreciation It's going to do that and and keep in mind that this doesn't happen by accident. It took US two years to get this back in in place because so often in horse racing whenever we try to do something out from a tax perspective We're accused of. We're placating wealthy people and that sometimes doesn't play well in Washington. DC You know early on the three depreciations called the blue grass boondock that that was sort of a a slight bit sending the McConnell leader McConnell. Because there's a way of saying well this is just for rich people in Central Kentucky. In fact the the laws are such that you have a one year depreciation. And that's that's good for everybody rich poor or wherever you position the three year depreciation schedule just it gives you flexibility because of the tax laws. You either do the one year right now. Bonus depreciation or do you have a seven year scheduled. I get here again. We're talking about horses. That are put into service or began. Begin their careers before their twenty five at the end of the twenty months. Biologically that's most forces So all the horses going to different this appreciation schedule. We're talking about young lady sources. They had the option now of both most or three depreciation because better matches their income opportunities. So it's good news well and I appreciate it the other day that Don Little Junior and and when don was on we were talking about This centennial the success of Centennial this year and preservation. Isn't that more. And he brought it up and and wanted to wanted to use it as a kind of a dangling carrot and and you know a little bit of an incentive to people to to get involved and good for Don. I thought that was great. Yeah I this is this is this is again. You and I talk so often about very very small but significant milestones all stones and these are things that that are hard fought and well earned and you know I I say repeatedly the criticisms sometimes that's directed at industry organs at the. It's just not no one. That's being critical. Google is paying attention to the kind of work that needs to be done and this is a perfect example and of course going back a couple of years you know the change to the to the code For gambling earnings that has been an absolute boon in terms of of of handle. And in fact how about an update on that front Alex where as we get another full calendar year of of handled numbers What where's that shaken can out in terms of what it's contributed? Well I continue to hear more slayers wherever I go across the country and they always Thank us they always. I have a story or to tell about Tickets that they cash that would have been assigned and wasn't but we do know that after the the year after the the change was incorporated. We saw Bob about three or four percent Bob in handle that was in twenty eight pain and we're right now twenty nineteen. We're right about that twenty eighteen eighteen level. Maybe just a check or two a low that but we've maintained those those games In fact we've had a challenging year so it appears as though that the ability To well the changes that we brought about reporting and withholding have had an impact people are keeping more of their money. They're putting it back to the windows. We're seeing Additional hand being created because of that and I think it's a much no plausible transfer a horse place because they're not constantly keeping up with their arrests information. It's not A. It's not a constant worry. They don't have to do the things they did. By splitting tickets what have you it. Just it's a better experiential was players and that's really what it's all about it. It's a win across so so many areas and then of course the money that the irs used to take out of circulation. Just think about that about the twenty to twenty six percent that could it'd be glommed off the top better off in the hands of players being recirculated or applied however the player chooses and one of the biggest wins in in recent memories Alex a couple of overall themes before we wrap up the year you referred to a difficult difficult year in so many ways and I think the industry as a whole or let's say the participants participants stakeholders and and horse players and fans collectively if there's a frustration or a complaint That they've got it. It's that they don't know who to look to for leadership and between you know between you and Jim Gag Gag Leonardo and Alan Foreman and Eric camelback and you know the various heads of of the the groups that that are providing providing leadership in their respective arenas how do we answer that and and now do we all pull together to be on the same page to respond onto issues. That have been vexing us. You know particularly these last twelve months. Well I can say that the each of those individuals you mentioned engendered or we're frequently in contact with one another and we do work together there. We represent different constituencies and those constituencies have have their own points of view And they bring their own issues to table. this is not a monolithic industry. Can't be compared to the NFL or to another professional sports because We bring all participants together around the table and and that's a widely they different point of view across the industry spectrum so when they come together and work together sometimes it's hard to make big moves quickly because we've got to bring a lot of different perspectives. I will say that we have made a lot of progress this year. Especially on the safety front granted was was Prompted instigated by some horrible circumstances in California but it has had the effect I think refocus listen people in the industry on that number one priority that has to make the safety the horse and the rider and I don't know single leader in this business isn't sending. The vast majority of his day focused on on that issue. Those issues whether the informant in the mid Atlantic or all the folks in in California from the group and Del Mar and trying to create this Really an amazing system that they created California to bring the rate of injury way down to the most recent Coalition that was built. The racetracks interior is is cooperating with And Yeah national spokespeople. Now we have engaged we kind of PR impresses management firm that we need to take on the the challenges of an industry but we're so geographically diverse you have traction horsemen people in cross country thirty five thirty four states. It's a massive business and in any given time. There's something happening somewhere that none of us anticipated Could have anticipated. So it's a IT'S A. It's a big job It's a big industry and geographically just so widespread really is nothing like it and then we'll compare ourselves to the international And and in lots of ways but nobody really covers the geographic expanse that we did you think of England and France was a relatively small countries. And they do got together well but You know they think of California in itself is big almost bigger than any other racing industry out there International except perhaps for Australia confined in certain spots that country. So we're big job We try every day. I can tell you that this as lots of good faith and lots of discussion happening every day and we're making progress anybody First quarter this year next next year. We'll have something more concrete to wrap but right now we're just trying to find solutions to problems and making this industry. You better industry wanted sustainable long haul that answers. The questions that were being asked by that and not just the federal government by by people in general no not just Animal rights activist by good. Well intended people just want to know how we doing the most. We can do to keep our horses in our athletes elites that safe. And that's a fair question and we've got an answer that question. Yes unqualified early We gotta do it now and finally Alex some goals for the coming year legislatively I didn't even mention that the QB visa program a part of that. Bill what What's one or two of the achievable noble objectives? That are on the docket for the coming year led to savor. I'd say probably the number one part of the spending bill that was signed into law did authorize the Secretary of Homeland Security to to issue another eventually sixty sixty seven sixty six sixty seven thousand eight hundred visas visas that trainers need to get the workforce that they acquired for to have torches as possible That isn't in the discretion of the secretary. And we're GONNA be working on that secretary. We have a large coalition. They treat the as part of that So as necking Horse Council but there are hundreds of industries across the country that need those leases. We'll all be working together and MHM working now. We're hoping in the first month or two we'll see all those visas. Additional visas issued so that we'll have those eases available to the spring. especially you know last year. Todd pletcher head. Filthy visas denied to him because they just want available double later we got broken loose by the homeland security him he was able to hire those vigils but better. Of course it's going him to be able to do it. In the first instance and so. That's the personal workforce that training needs Additional foreign workers that filters someone's barn but forces which As you said something to me. That's that's probably one. We continue to work also with Eighty W companies to try to get a couple of key credit card issuers to begin allowing cards of the US for the funny transactions. American Bank of America is one of those that we're I'm looking at what is that progress issue Wells Fargo. They began accepting or allow their cards in the US as part of eighty funding transactions And that's a huge. That's it's a big car. That's maybe twelve to fifteen percent of the market We also need capital one. So that's something else. And the fact is the three depreciation. It was only temporary. We're going to be looking at a permanent fix to that. We didn't make find a way that we might go back every year every two and become part of this extended package. which is you know? It's costly time. Consuming that takes a lot of education. Continue remind people this isn't some bluegrass. boondocks donald this isn't something give some giveaway which people this is important to to an industry which is represents hundreds of billions dollars economic activity around the country. So that's one of those other things and last with absolutely not least not left. I could go on for a long time but I I think Twenty twenty. It's going to be the year that we get arms as a nation we get our arms around the safety and integrity issues in the real white the interior saved. Can you tell me lies is out there. It's been there for ten years. It's matured It is twenty four twenty five tracks. have an had met that standard. And it's it's it's a significant standard. Anyone who doesn't understand normally about the alliance need to educate themselves where the Interior Dot Com. And you'll find all the information you need there. Well we're GONNA take it to the next level in twenty twenty they're gonna find ways to make that certification important and we're gonNA find ways the had to give the alliance realty so that someone who is in the credit that there will be a cost associated with that right now if you don't get accredited it means you're not accredited Will even make. We need to change that. We need to be wants to draw some real consequence for not meeting the Safety Standards that we establish station industry. So that's I would say the biggest goal that we have I don't have any concrete ideas that I can just like. It was moment but I will say back on. Some of the brightest minds in the in the country are helping us say that change that we want to see you in the alliance home but we'll have more to say about that later next year. Well we'll be together in Las Vegas for the NHCD and they're probably the next time that we check in. But in the in the meantime Alex as always appreciative of the efforts the U. and Keith Michell Raven Craft Holly Short than the Alpine group in Washington ten and everybody Ntr a working really tirelessly and deserve respect and appreciation of the sport. Best wishes for terrific. Twenty twenty for all of us and happy holidays dealers Alex Waldrop and NTR A. Let's take our break here. Last of the live portion of today's show. I've got to cut out a little past the bottom of the hour. So we'll thanks bringing johnny the last couple of Voices You'll hear perfectly kind of a perfect wrap up between Johnny and Casey we on as well behind the glass case. He's had fact the three of us can commiserate we all. We all had some gypsum. 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And we're going to give you some some best of back from November that conversation with a Involving the Louisville Story Project I saw where some people that ordered the book better lucky than good that just are our love and so I thought you'd enjoy hearing that conversation. I think there's some Tim Laden as well Between now and noon soon and then we will be back to start the new year on Friday January. Third and that'll that'll be our kickoff kickoff. We'll do some quick recapping and we'll look to what should be a big weekend that includes some of the first three year old races of the year That'll be important. Including the sham coming up on our AP and Baffert Scott He's got I think. Eight rings pointed in that direction so it will be will be gone for four days this week. Four days next week The year end vacation and part of that hat Vacation Johnny joining us and Johnny. We've got reason to believe another week of Morte. I thought I was out and pulled me back saying well you know now as disgruntled the fan is I was previous week Certainly yesterday revives my my spirit and I was proud that team because it truly was the case of next man up for them You know we hear that phrase a lot but these young players eagles have really stepped up. They and you've seen the improvement movement in over the last you know over the course of the season as far as the running backs concern And and and and then ward stepping up taking his spot a wide receiver and Carson wentz pleaded fantastic game yesterday. Count the most so you know hats off to the Eagles and what they did there. Still Eight and seven having and it'd be nice to be nine hundred seven and go into the playoffs with low momentum that would be sweet By the looks of things we could end up with Seattle. which at this point? They're a little banged up. So that might be okay. Don't want I don't want to see the forty nine hours and then I just think they're much stronger. Team in Seattle can still knock them out of first place I think I'd rather they didn't let let let's let's worry about Seattle and the San Francisco go stop. The don't don't don't be don't be. Don't don't ask us don't don't don't ask it it. That was nothing near what happened near asking asking have had anointed. Oh after the cowboys. Boys beat the Eagles the Super Bowl for guys. I'd love to have if somebody's been smoking a lot but uh-huh toefl little. I don't know Tofu Buzz. I Guess I oh you should remember what what he's saying right. I mean it was outlandish. I was in the car. I almost drove Provo side of the road but anyway we do have one more game to play and I will. I will backtracking extract that I was getting excited again here I go I should know better as a phillies fan I lived through nineteen sixty four the phillies were. I don't know maybe they were nine in front with seven front. We tend to play. Yeah Yeah I don't remember Jack who it was but So I've seen bad things happen to good people so I'm not counting chickens yet though giant back and we'll go from there. Well I Tina said I was not much fun to sit with and and and watch the game with because I just you know I could tell where that was heading it was heading to a nail biter under my buddy Phil was actually be from. The stadium was will at the game or was willing where was wilt texting US trump. If he was okay so he was texting us from the stadium. And and it it. You know my buddy Phil said nail biting time and he knew he knew at a at seven minutes he could tell. That's all all right. It was very very satisfied watching watching. I don't know how many people I think anyone that he wanted to watch football. Watch watch the game and I think when the Eagles try pristine you'd think it was a fifty three yard field goal with four thin. Yeah I don't know fourth and sex and they missed it and Dallas got the ball great CEO position. That was kind of that call. I did not understand the coaches Joyce I mean. Either you go for it or you. You know you pin them down making Wakefield but what did I miss that Hugo. That's when I got my worst. Well just the somebody somebody. I did some celebrating on on twitter and UH somebody said they how they haven't won anything I said well said I. I'm somebody that can take satisfaction in in in the small. Even Parag victories and watching that watching that fat creep that that Chris Christie Skulk skulk out of there and and skeletal or watching them. There's nothing more nothing more satisfying then seeing that. That was that part of it for me. I'm sorry if I if that seems You know heavy handed. But I I find them both. Just so grotesque great pleasure in in in sending them and not to mention not to mention the unfair critique and focus on on whence who has has performed admirably in all context and and then you know particularly in several occasions when when some pressure was on and is still evolving and growing. And then how about Sidney Jones who everybody was convinced it was a wasted pick and always a project and the foot broken and and he makes a sensibly the biggest play you know of of of the season a lot of ways. I thought that was everybody. This was like betting on a horse. Johnny at at at at about I'd say what eighteen to one twenty to one and and then you know watching watching him watching him win and and win with courage true. Whoever said you haven't won anything yet is is half right We beat when you have a rival and the cowboys are undoubtably. Eagles biggest biggest riding. It's not Pittsburgh who's in the in the state. It's not the giants who are big brother little brother you know. It's not Washington down. I ninety five. It's it's The Dallas cowboys. And that's been a decades long rivalry and when you could beat the cowboys and the ownership and some of the people who have Guam dawn and we're trying to go for the ride You know when you got see them you've got to ask to go away with their tails between your legs. That's even better. And then apparently the cowboys plane Wayne was out or not. Dallas right away which anyone who's in stock at the PHILLY International. We're for which they've been through quite a bit But still anyone. WHO's been waiting for a plane anywhere? especially after getting humiliated and beaten uh-huh. Oh well well Johnny got uh-huh some of the technicians that I know now working at the airport to do something dangerous. They would never do something like that but to keep a play ground I love it. I love it. Well Johnny. We got about ten minutes to wrap up everything being in a I thought you and I were going to be able to look forward to say we can still look forward to Samantha. Needed opening on Saturday but You know forty eight hours later than we're used to and Touch not a lot of those things with Jay gives us a chance to remind everybody to get the signed on I'll have one little window window On on Friday the third of January to get people excited about beat the host kicking off some some year Ear Inn. Tie Up from from your perspective please. I'm GONNA give the hosts another punch. Here he does go go to express DOT COM for count holders only fifty thousand dollars beat the host tournament. You make a ten dollar ten dollar win wager. On One horse Egypt's ten races each Saturday January February. There live wagers so you can get your took a couple of winners. You could make some money two thousand weekly Friday uh-huh and we're keeping a cumulative total this year and we've got a bunch of prizes there So be those go sign up. ITS FIRST DOT COM Ah Far Twenty nineteen. I think you J. really covered it. Well I would like to you know as far as on the racetrack. What Jay Jay went to pretty much hit all he all the highlights? And I'd have to agree that you would rather not see duplicate twenty twenty let's it's the twenty nine fade into the sunset And I would like to add that you know both you and JC Eh erupts twenty nine team. It's a health wise. We've had a few little things that some bigger than some littler but you know. So let's let's forget all that twenty twenty. Let's move on from that. So all things considered the only the only bright spot and it's been a magnificent bright spot offer me personally is the birth of my granddaughter. And anyone out there who's grandparent will understand completely what I'm saying. It is the most those unbelievable feeling can ever have. And if you're not a grandparent and you think well you know I'm never be a grandparent on it you know. My daughter was wasn't me but she and and and uh-huh she just broken up with a guy that she'd been with for years and you know I never thought about been grandfather But but then she she met a guy an not mad but was reintroduced to guys. She knows a few years before and they'd always been close. And so I have this this beautiful wonderful amazing granddaughter and it is a feeling like no other any grandparents out there. You know exactly what I'm talking about. 'cause I've said this to so many people and they just agree hundred percent so that's that's been twenty nineteen eighteen highlights on the race in front really the three year old season. We we got a little Hickel. We got some excitement Cove honor gave us a good a good little mid season Bush. Sorts of Derby was bad taste in my mouth. The qualification altercation cost me heavily and You know all the controversy surrounding net but three days. We got a little excitement there. And then you know Oh candy buyers saying the worst of the year. Maximum security or bricks and mortar Should be horse in the air. I get that I don't get the argument there. I mean that that you know maximum security for all that. He did throw a top three things that he did. He didn't he got taken down in Derby. He didn't leave the travers racist drivers. He got the In an allowance. or I I got small-state Mama. He did win ascls even run Derby. He didn't run the Breeders Cup. I mean come on it. It was a well man campaign and hats off I. I thought he was the best three year old since since Gulfstream last year and I never never wavered on that even though they said could have honored that close. It's just he didn't do. We really didn't deduct doc all the big races you know. Sometimes you're forced to just didn't work out that's okay I understand it's Waco's but then he can't be worse here at that's my Brick mortar her forces. It's always been a thing where you don't want to vote for it or force this year. It's always been an American kind kind of thing where our horses are dirty wars. That's where he prove our candidates That's changing we could see it you. Jay talked about a number of grade one turf races around the country. Cope racing is become more popular. No question about it. So maybe it's time we and it was at Ford. It's not like it's never been done but you know maybe it's how we start to reconsider And the more money the more prestige more more people turn towards turf racing. You're gonNA find the more talented horses. Pointed that. Way By owners raiders trainers. So I I think twenty nine is a real shift Also the kids while while it depressed crashed me quite a bit or I was disappointed. Disappointed me quite a bit. Because I've looked forward to the day after Christmas Ursus for decades several decades and watched out or or at least a forecast out how sad for you know look California right. Now they're completely different microscope. Any Place Jason. The country that's ever been and you know I thought about it for a while and I said to myself you know canceling it as it postponing the opening day of Sandinista. It's going to give us a great card coalfields turf racing and all that goes with it. You know what it's not bad. It's not that bad it really isn't it. It's a smart move actually and you know what for players and for everyone yes. We're disappointed. Yes yes it's tradition. All those things are true but you know what if and it's hard for for older people people who are used to weigh Dr. It's hard to stomach change but changes coming in our game. I just talked about surface. That's that's whether it's a positive luder negative. I don't know that's one. Change changes the help of these horses and safety and consideration of. Look if it rains. If it looks like it's going to be a miserable day have a lot of scratches and you're gonNA people are going to be uncomfortable. You're better off. I think canceling early because then I don't buy my form I don't do all the work and I'm and your car is littered with scratches and and destroy. Its better for everyone. Your horses are healthier. I'm okay with even though in a way I was when I heard I was sad. Downtrodden what do oh I do now is there because I know there's other tracks okay but Santa Anita was and it still begin accepts beacon on Saturday I'm okay with it through. I'm all right with these tracks can't believe the weather's bad or it. Looks like it's GonNa be bad off all it all you know they did it. Did it with baseball for a long time and now with baseball. They're doing something that I can't say. They stopped the game for four four hours. They delayed again until midnight and then they finish the game. It's raining it's an outdoor sport. If it's rainy will game okay. I'm okay with what else you. Yeah now that that That's a good summary. No doubt about it Soaking right before we shut down here. I thought it was something I had an article wanted to talk about it with you. Maybe we have more time but the idea surfaces and and in sports and also the kind of where athletes excuse me are are using these days Comparing compared to China united with a high tops. You know the the old those goes classic things meddle in the middle was. Oh please where in the services now you know we had when we went to ASTROTURF. Originally you remember what we found out. Oh this is great. You know you'd be able to squeeze water right off it and you'll be able to play when it's raining and but we found out how it was awful. It was terrible because it would get it would overheat in the sun it would get like one hundred and twenty degrees on the field okay And then the burns one burns players would get from it and hope ball baseball and then the ball member the you know actually it became away. They hit a ball. Larry Boys to do it and veteran stadium. We hit down on the ball and hit a high chopper and on the first base. No it was a it changed helping we're done and then of course. The famous Veterans Day Turf Ned had wrinkles in it and And players hated the play on it and it was bald in some spots and so we went to this new surf now that they have. And it's it's it's a combination of park different particles of things and seems to be much better. I don't WanNa hear the complaints I used to hear so and and the reason I thought it is when you're talking maybe there's something down the road that will help us. If it's it's not Michael's product now or you know whatever it maybe there's something down the road maybe in the future it will be surface. That is more. We're close to their and breeders will be happy and courses will be happy trainers and everybody happy horse players you know. We tried the first kind of revolution of it and it didn't really there. Were problems or issues particularly California more familiar with those gives us what around the country. The weather would affect it sir. So maybe there's something down the road that's GonNa make a difference and that's my hope for the future as we started new year and we can figure out a way to solve that problem. He'd worked on being worked on happy. Hannukah happy holidays. You and I know you guys have a grandchild. Joe On the way and twenty twenty you will be so we will fall in love like never before. I wish you all the best. Yes thank you my friend for all you do. Even though I don't always agree with you. I always list now johnny as always I can't thank you enough. And they expressed bad team and for you and gale and The extended families all the best. Let's get Casey in here you too. We can pull it all together and Because I know how this will go happy Hannukah to everybody last night. We got the first and we had our first Hanukkah miracle the the oil lasted sixty minutes and then a merry Christmas and happy New Year. I want also quickly thank The for DT our partners. And Gary CEAC and Paul Baran everybody the Barn Sixty team got a couple more starts yet. The before. The season season ends but It's been a good year. And of course Mikey Farrow and Patty. Farrell got us to wins in Philly and Chuck Simon and now Susan Bitter Down to Florida with cloud Autrey. I want to thank all of their teams and Tina. Who puts up with all my all my nonsense? I think Casey ready to add some year year. End Thoughts case. How you doing? Excellent and Johnny Will you talk. You probably talked to Johnny as much or more than anybody you buddy over the years For right from the very beginning it was one of the people I kind of got familiar with and happy a couple years ago to actually meet him down. Eh Gulfstream Park. So that was cool for me well cases as I alluded Th the three of us the three of us all had varying degrees. He's a of challenges and really Some ways none more so than you and He really end the year on the upswing. And we're all happy the For that in and of course all the listeners have been have been under so understanding and we should you know acknowledge Adeje and Joe to WHO All the all the support we wouldn't have gotten through the year otherwise and Feels like you got a lot of momentum for toward good health ebbing into the new year. Everything is looking up now. I have no complaints and I really WanNa thank you for your support for the six months that I was in out of hospital fighting cancer and lymphoma. I really appreciated And as you said John and Deja did a great job holding and things down. I'm Kinda back in regular rotation now working there show a couple of days a week and hopefully as I continue to get better increase that and get back to my full-time time status but definitely think the listeners for all the messages emails facebook notes and everything it really so help me through this time of recovery to keep my spirits up so I think you guys as well. We'll see you in February. We'll do a couple of weeks. The shows from the studio for Jackson who I I'm guessing Jackson's GonNa make four course. Christmas dinner she. She's been cooking cooking up a storm. I it's unbelievable. She's well on her way to be in the Shafiq. The the kind of see that that that's written in the stars already master chef junior so trying to assist in in whatever way possible. Well I always tell you whenever the Horse I love Jackson and runs Let's say case we'll talk soon. I'll see you soon and Enjoy the time off Johnny again. Thanks for everything and listeners Everything we do and all the regulars and then all of the the horsemen and industry people that come on so quickly and willingly whenever we reach out to them all design to help you enjoy this great game as much as possible. Best wishes for a wonderful holiday season. A a healthy happy twenty twenty. We'll talk to you on the third. Thanks everybody the ATHOL races with Steve on Sirius. XM radio. What's going on? Mike and I'm going to tell you about an offer for my good friends at express bet. Let's be honest we we know you'll love playing the racist but you can't always make it to the track. Sometimes life just gets in the way of a good bet. What if I told you about a place where you never miss a bed and you start start with house money? It's crazy right not express your first one hundred and twenty five bucks are on them. Sign Up Express Bet Dot Com Promo code a big DAD's B. Y. K.. 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#EERS S9 Ep26: The Media Burns Bernie

The Erick Erickson Show

2:01:19 hr | 7 months ago

#EERS S9 Ep26: The Media Burns Bernie

"I know what you're thinking. You're thinking that Bernie Sanders one New Hampshire I'm reliably told by the media was booted. Eugene Amy Klobuchar. Who who had the big night right in New Hampshire czar coverage? Welcome it is Eric Erickson here. The Eric Erickson show the phone number is eight. Seven thousand nine hundred and Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three three seven four to five. Now listen. The media has a vested interest in building drama. In fighting. It's good for ratings of Bernie Sanders. were running away with it. The media media would not be able to generate the spectacle. They've got to keep it close. They've got to manufacture the drama but at the same time the media also does not like the fact that Bernie Sanders is doing well because 'cause most people in the media though they are sympathetic to Bernie Sanders are mindful of the polling. That shows he'd be very vulnerable to Donald Trump and they wanna be trump so the big story out of New Hampshire picture. Last night isn't allowed to be that Bernie. Sanders is winning. It's gotta be Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg doing amazing surprising. Everyone and also also that that Joe Biden in Elizabeth. Warren are toast. I mean they they they are the big losers a now in fairness to the coverage. Let's Acknowledge Bernie. Sanders did a very good job But it was close. He and Buddha judge were very very very close in fact So I use a service called decision desk. HQ Decision Dilemma. LemMe Lemme get to their website. Here Yep right here so I can give you the actual final results here. It was Bernie Sanders. Twenty five point eight five percent Pete. Buddha judge twenty four point twenty one percent Amy Klobuchar nineteen point eight two percents or roughly twenty percent framing closure twenty four percent for Buddha judge in twenty six percent for Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren with nine point two percent and and Joe Biden with eight point six percent. It was not a good night for Joe Biden. He won no counties Elizabeth. Warren one no counties Tom Steer Got Tin Thousand. One hundred twenty five votes. He came in sixth Tulsi Gabbard. Who is not dropping out got nine thousand ninety two votes three percent? Can't Andrew Yang got two point eight percent seventy nine hundred votes Develop Patrick got a eleven hundred votes and Michael Bennett. got a thousand votes now. Michael Bennett is dropping out. An injury. Ganga's dropping out Tulsi. Gabbard says she will stay in the Bloomberg forces. It was Bloomberg media started the rumor that Thomas Tire was dropping out and develop. Patrick is. CBS's saying they're going to. He's going to drop out the devil. Patrick now I you know you didn't even know Duval Patrick was is running. I realize develop Patrick just a few months ago was the great hope and all sorts of people were really excited about divall Patrick. Getting into the race There were all sorts of rumors of foot about how awesome he was going to be. And well it. It didn't really work out for divall. Patrick in the race. He he did a well he never had a reason really inner and and so many people in the media wanted to give him a reason to inner and he fell flat. I everyone. I'm deval Patrick. I used to be governor of Massachusetts. But that's not where I start art. Can we just operate. We don't even need to hear any more of that. I mean we kind of we kinda understand at that moment that we got a problem there. We you've got it. That's the way he sounds now. That was that was not a radio. Edit was a TV ad but come on. Let's be serious here It it was not a not a not a good would not a good campaign and yet the I was trying to find some audio and here I had some Chuck Todd L.. Listen I I like Chuck Todd but Chuck Todd when the rumor broke that Develop Patrick was GONNA get in Chuck Todd on on the daily meet. The press show started a rumor that big name is going to get into the rates of big name. No no one's excited about the field. The big name is going to get into big name turned out to be developed Patrick. And he got a thousand one hundred. Eighty seven votes in New Hampshire man. I am old enough to remember the media hype and that guy and he fell flat. Well what actually happened is that Bernie. Sanders pulled it off now. Here's here's the thing. The media hype is that Bernie Sanders did not do as well now as he did. In Two thousand sixteen that Pete Pete boot `age won a number of counties that that Bernie Sanders had one in two thousand sixteen. Amy Klobuchar won a number of counties that Hillary Clinton had one in In Twenty in two thousand sixteen Waterville valley and Sandwich County in New Hampshire Amy Klobuchar one. Those those are Republican areas of the state. That Amy Weeklong Shar one she also won the hearts area in the mills field area. These are all in fact. She wanted their only two votes cast but she got forty percent of the vote. That's somewhat notable. I mean some of these areas are very very tiny in the number of votes that they have reported and yet she was able to dominated some of those areas Francis town as well and Harrisville. She was able to to do very well in those areas. Those are Republican areas of the state. Those are Hillary Clinton did well in two thousand sixteen And and but Bernie Sanders. I mean he just kind of swept the corners of the state. What's so notable about Buddha? Judge is he did very well along along the border with Massachusetts that was supposed to be the Elizabeth Warren area and they didn't pull it off he was able to get Bernie Sanders. Got Some of them But then there was a hardcore section in the in in southern New Hampshire around the the urban core there were booted did actually very well The other interesting thing. Is that the in Salisbury. New Hampshire sure other candidates did very well and I'm wondering if that may be the ride in for for for yes that that would be a Bloomberg right in same in Dixville Notch that area Bloomberg one. The write in vote in Dixville. Same in the Salisbury New Hampshire area. Now what does all this have to say. Let me give you some just detailed analysis here before I give you give you my thoughts on this Bernie. Sanders of course was not going to do as well as he was going going to do. In two thousand sixteen because in two thousand sixteen there were two candidates. There was Hillary Clinton. And there's Bernie Sanders this time you've got a million candidates running and Bernie Sanders. There are some new candidates running Buddha. Jugend Zhijun Kluber shark capturing the imagination warn as well to some degree capturing the imagination The fact that Joe Biden came in fifth in New Hampshire really means his campaign is toast. He's going to try to rebound in South Carolina. And there's just no way at this point now you've got a lot of people come to Joe Binds Defense. This is elder abuse. Can just as an aside. This is at this point elder abuse use with Joe Biden. Someone from team Obama Barack Obama himself if he really loves Joe Biden the way he claims needs to stage an intervention at this point and say Joe No. I mean they need to do that. It's sad to see it's time for jody to hang up the hat the problem though. Is this Joe. Biden has to stay on until South Carolina. Why because Mike Bloomberg's not on the ballot? If Joe Biden or to falter or fail in South Carolina that could give Bernie Sanders and insurmountable edge. So Biden at this point has to hang on so Bernie can't pivot South Carolina's voters to him and then Biden can get out when he doesn't do well L.. After South Carolina I mean Biden is able to get down to Earth Bernie Sanders is able to get down to South Carolina and consolidate voters down there including black voters He's going to be unstoppable stoppable and if he if he can hold his on on Super Tuesday the remember the the difference between the Democratic primaries in the Republican primaries. You do need the understand this. The Republican primary is baked in for someone to get some level of momentum and but also for others to have an opportunity sanity to pull upsets. Now what I mean by. That is the Republican Party. Primary for president starts off with proportional representation as long as you meet a a certain percentage of the vote. You will get some delegates so in Iowa You had Ted Cruz and Donald Trump got delegates in New Hampshire. It was I'm John Casick and Ted Cruz and and Donald Trump and then you pivot to South Carolina and trump did so big he got all the delegates even though it was proportional worship but then along the way in the Republican Party there are winner. Take all states as well so for example George I believe was the first winner. Take all state. Marco Rubio dominated the suburban Atlanta area and every county that touched Atlanta Marco Rubio one in every other county Donald Trump won Donald Trump got all the delegates. It gets because he even though Rubio actually did very well because he won those suburban areas that are have high population. Donald Trump got everything. The Democratic Party does not have winner. Take all states so once a winner begins to to build a lead as long as he comes in I to buy three or four percentage points he continues to get more delegates than everyone else us. No one can draw a line in the sand and say hey. I'm going to go to Georgia. Draw a line in the sand. I'M GONNA put my resources in. It's a winner. Take all state if I win it. I get twenty six delegates. Nobody's doing that. They can't do that because the Democratic Party is is not set up to do that there. There's no design for the Democratic Party to do that. So if Bernie Sanders travels around the country and he he slightly behind in delegates right now because booed ejb got slightly more in Iowa. By the way th there's there's a phenomenal thing here. Buddha footage has had less people vote for him in Iowa and in New Hampshire but he's leading in delegates because of the Iowa. Screw up so there's a sense of grievous be Noor Grievance be nursed by the Sanders people already that you got Buddha Gibb. Who booted wants to get rid of the Electoral College? He thinks that it should be the Whoever gets the most votes win and they call him out on this? Where where was this? Hang on I got this audio from the other day I think it was jake tapper Who called him out on this joining me now? Twenty twenty twenty presidential candidate former mayor pedia judge Mayer Buddha judge. Thanks so much for joining us. Both you and Bernie Sanders have declared victory in Iowa. I want you to take a listen to a comment. You made when you were asked about the Electoral College. CNN townhall last year at risk of sounding a little simplistic one thing. I believe is that in an American presidential election. The person who gets the most votes ought to be persons. If you use that standard in Iowa it appears Senator Sanders. Got Six thousand more votes than you Even if you currently lead in the state delegate equivalent is it fair to say using the Buddha judge standard that Senator Sanders on the Iowa Caucus. Well this is about getting delegates but I'm happy to congratulate Senator Sanders on a fantastic night just as we had terrific. A huge validation for the message of this campaign for What we have to say about bringing everybody into shared vision that I think is going to defeat? Donald Trump in November. Are you essentially saying it was a tie all that other folks characterize it but but sure I mean it was it was a great night for Bernie and it was a phenomenal night for us. I want to replay this. Because you need to pick up on something listen join me now. Twenty two thousand presidential candidate former Mayor Buddha judge mayor buttigieg. Thanks so much for joining us. Both you and Bernie Sanders have declared victory in Iowa. I want you to take a comment you made when you were asked about the Electoral College in CNN. Townhall last year at risk of sounding a little simplistic simplistic one thing. I believe is that an American presidential election person who gets the most votes ought to be a person who wins if you use that standard in Iowa it appears Senator Sanders. Got Six thousand more votes than you Even if you currently lead in the state delegate equivalent is it fair to say using the Buddha judge standard that Senator Sanders won the Iowa Caucus. Well this is about getting delegates this is about getting delegates not the the the November remember presidential election will be about getting electoral college votes or in other words delegates. The Electoral College is so. Who same standard is it? Not I mean that. That's that's that's the thing you're you're running. You're not running to win the popular vote. You're running to get the electoral electoral college. Delegates and yet be booted says when it comes to November it should be whoever gets the most pop- whoever gets the most votes wins. These won't should not standard still apply in in Iowa and New Hampshire where Bernie Sanders is. What's in the thing? The media is fixated on boot `age dunes Hoon's was he has and in fact leading in delegates right now remember it. Let's let's go back real quick to two thousand sixteen. What happened in Nyla? Ted Cruz surprised everyone by winning the most votes and getting the most delegates. And what was the media headline Marco Rubio came in third bird and it was Rubio's race to lose. I'm not making that up. I was there marco. Rubio was the winner in Iowa if you listen to press coverage each even though Ted Cruz came in first. And then what happened in New Hampshire New Hampshire trump came in I re- Ted Cruz came in second in case it came in or no case it came in second and and Ted Cruz came in third and the headline was case. It casick is surging Casey Kaz urging case. It's going to go all the way. It was never about trump and it was never about cruise. It was always about the guy who pulled on the heartstrings of the media and it was Rubio in Iowa because they hated Ted Cruz they hated the idea of Ted cruise being the nominee in so when when crews did not do as well in New Hampshire they rubbed in that crews did not do well they ignored Rubio Jeb. Bush wound up dropping helping out but It they blew crews out of the water. They totally ignored his win in Iowa. And then a New Hampshire. They totally ignored trump's win in praised. Casick take the same thing is happening now. The media is clearly tried to pick winners and losers in the way it it talks about these races Bernie. Sanders has won the popular vote in the Democratic Party. He won New Hampshire and the headline say Sanders wins. But when you actually read the news article and you listen to the commentary on TV where there are no headlines. They just tell you what happened. They fixate fixate on anybody but sanders. Now I will tell you there is i. I'm beginning to believe there's gotta be some level of a coordinated talking point among the Republicans. Because you're at all they're trying to steal from Bernie again. They're trying to steal from. They know deep down. In the data it shows that in two thousand sixteen Bernie Sanders borders got so mad at the process. They wound up sitting home. They didn't participate. And I think there are a lot of Republicans who were trying to do that now because there's a lot of Republicans at all they're stealing it for Bernie again. They're really stealing it from Bernie Bernie's winning but it is very similar. News coverage covers should 2016. Where the media's fixating not on the first place guy but on the second and third place guys as a way to not have to talk about the first place guy? The media really is engaged engaged in a way to try to pick winners and losers the phone number. If you would like to be a part of the program day got any questions about Iowa. The state of play any of it feel free to call in pick my brain rain just remember. Your job is to ask questions to make me look good. The phone number is eight. Seven seven nine seven. Eric E. R.. Aw I C K if you go to emory The full number translates to eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. Live if you want to call an all right let me let me give you a little more or less data. Play before I get into the larger commentary here. I'm I'm trying to be good about giving you guys the analysis of what's actually happening and then telling you what I think about it and tried to force myself to be as objective as possible in this He he now drives me crazy. I realized but honestly I just I see so many people these days. Just just as an aside as an aside I see so many people these days wanting to rush into their partisan spin zone and not actually look at reality as it is contrary to analyze reality and I would much rather for my listeners. I I'm I'm not a a talking points guy I don't get the memo's don't into the you know. They actually have brief both parties. Actually sleep if you're in the in the media and and you're you're somewhat prominent in your partisan you can actually call the DNC or the RNC or various campaigns. And they'll give you what to say. They're really good about it. When I was in and I always shocked in in the general election in two thousand twelve? When Romney Romney Obama there are a lot of people from the WHO would reach out and say? Hey here's some things to think about when you go on TV. It's like I think for myself and I think you're wrong on some of this stuff and I turned out being right but You you know I I've done politics. I've run campaigns. I I've done polling. I've done mail I've I've done. TV ADS and radio ADS. I know how this stuff works and I know the BS and I knew the Spin I would rather play it straight with you guys and then I'll tell you what I think about it and I'll play it straight here Bernie. Sanders does have some trouble. Because when when you look at the exit polling out of New Hampshire and miss yesterday primary exits are not as reliable as general election exits. But they're still pretty doggone reliable way more reliable able than your general public opinion surveys. So the surveys showed that about sixty percent of voters in New Hampshire wanted on in someone who could beat trump and thirty percent of voters in New Hampshire. Wanted someone who agreed with him. Ideologically and the sixty percent who want someone who can be trump did not vote for Bernie Sanders is pretty clear. The way the race divided. You had a buddha jude's clover wishaw. Warren Biden even had some write ins for Bloomberg yet. Tom Steyer people who they thought could be trump and Bernie sanders consolidated the lead of those. Who wanted someone who agreed with them? Bernie Sanders the twenty one percent of voters if I recall right were Somewhat Liberal thirty five percent or twenty one the present were very liberal thirty five percent were somewhat liberal forty percent moderate Barely anywhere conservative. Less than ten percent work conservative. I mean the majority majority of people showed up consider themselves moderate centre-left but Bernie Sanders consolidated the Liberals and picked up some of the somewhat liberal. And the other split the field. So you've got this field split and it's very much like what happened to the Republicans in two thousand sixteen where everybody wanted to be. They really dismissed trump as being viable and they thought it was cruise cruise was the problem and nobody wanted to step aside because they all wanted to drumbeat of crews and they wanted to use trump to stop cruise. Well turns out they use trump so well to stop up. Crews that trump wound up winning. And many of these people you will see now humping Donald Trump's leg on a regular basis who absolutely despise the guy But they they used. I used him as a faithful tool to stop Ted Cruz who they wanted to stop. They did not want cruise to be the nominee. Not because he didn't think he could beat Hillary but because they hated his guts and look what happened. Well Oh you got very much the same phenomenon here. The moderates and the interest can't get out of the race. They can't help themselves and all of them want to be the one to be Bernie. So Bernie is GONNA wind up being the one who leads fascinating dynamics. Hello hello it. Is Eric Erickson here. The full number. You WanNa be a part of the program. Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five rapid pivots in the press today and but before get there. I WanNa play you some of the sounds of last night with the candidates. Here's Bernie Sanders. Victory here is the beginning of the end for Donald trump the blue and be Buddha judge we. We are clear about the challenge before us and we must be equally clear about the choice at hand by competitors and I share the same fundamental goals bringing balance to our economy guaranteeing healthcare to every American combating climate crisis and a rising tide of gun violence but we do differ in what we believe. It will take to make that happen in this election season. We have been told. By some the you must either be for revolution or you are for the status quo. But where does that leave the rest. Most Americans don't see where they fit in that polarized fish and we defeat the most divisive president in modern American history by tearing down. Anybody who doesn't agree with us one hundred percent of the time and Amy Kluber. Shar allow America. I'm amy club. Hr and I will beat Donald Trump. Now this happened at the Elizabeth Warren Rally it was somewhat different and this is how she entered the stage. It was amazing. Go down like the common by the way For candidates lose their voice on the on the campaign trail in town deep voice weren't in her supporters. I mean again again again. We don't need to play the rest of that. That was the war in campaign last night in New Hampshire before she fled the state that they seem eager to move on the American spectator or no this the specter. There's an American painter. But there's The spectator which now has an American location and their headline is Elizabeth Warren's words trail of tears oh Joe Biden fled the state and went to South Carolina. Just heard from the I. Two of fifty states to not all the nation not have the nation not a quarter of the nation not ten percent to to all right come from the opening bell not the closing bell and the White and Donald Trump's presidency is just beginning attack you. It is important that I wanna Vadym spoke Orel Joe. I feel sorry for him. I really do this at this. Point is elder abuse A. He's now the president is no laughing and by the way Joe Biden was the guy that the Republicans were concerned about what he genuinely was the Republicans were concerned about Joe Biden. They thought he was the one who would be. I mean in all the polling L. Every we poll everywhere including the Republican internal bowling show. The Joe Biden was the guy who could beat trump. It job even turned that into the ads. And it's just it it was it's kind of sad to see it stumbling. It's mumbling not pretty. But we'll see how he does. You never know you never know The only time you knew for sure was trump campaign. Trump was going to win her. It could always turn it around. You know I think it's going to be easy. I I think he can turn it around. Yeah I think his shot. He's got probably almost as good a shot as anyone. But he's going to have to work going to have have to work very hard much harder than they thought. Don't forget when he first ran. I call them one percent Joe because every time he ran the only got one percent and then Obama took them off the garbage tape but he only got one percent right John. You know that one percent Joe but now he's nineteen percent joe better. He's doing better. He's made a a lot of progress. But it's going to be. It's going to be very interesting. I think we have. We're GONNA have a very interesting Democrat race and I think we're going to have a very interesting interesting election. Yes yes. We are Arlette signs with the Biden Campaign in South Carolina and Dan. I can't think of anything more of the kind of night. Vice President Biden is having the the fact that his party in South Carolina does not even have a TV for people to why that keys in South Carolina to detail but he does have an argument to make that he last poll. I saw he was at forty nine percent in the African American community and mayor. Buddha judge was at zero percent in the African the American community that was a a poll nationwide And he does have a path forward in the sense that He does well with African American voters. And that's sixty percent of the electorate in South Carolina and the Democrat but even in that poll. I was just looking at it. He's lost a lot of the share of the blackboard where she had earlier on because that has has always been a what his campaign called his firewall because they didn't anticipate him doing well in the first two states. The Joe Biden. Dr Jill Biden his wife coming out and speaking to supporters and and so we expect The former vice president to come out any minute but I think we just also have to take a moment and just digest the fact that a former two term vice president of the United States How didn't even place looks like? We're not done yet. But it looks like he's headed toward not even placing in the top four. I mean getting single digits support. Not even getting enough support to get one delegate from New Hampshire sure I mean that is stunning now. He at least at the end set himself up for that. By starting the debate as you mentioned with with our let At the last debate which everybody New Hampshire who I've I talked to was watching by saying that. They wouldn't support him. Still it is. It is by far one of the biggest story lines of the night despite the fact that his campaign Payne worked very hard to set expectations. At this level yeah. y'All it's at this point. It really is almost elder abuse. In fact I was talking to a a Republican. We can senator yesterday. Who said that he was? She was just appalled that he likes Joe Biden very much. They obviously disagree on a lot of things but Jill Joe Biden Super Nice people and it's just abusive at this point to see his campaign dragging him out in half the time he didn't know where he is. He loses his memory Ryan. It's just sad to see you know the other thing that said to see if we're honest about it is Andrew Yang. I thoroughly Light Andrea. I disagreed with him on everything. I mean he's super liberal but he was just the nicest guy and he was so nice on the campaign trail. His supporters are nights. I just saw somebody body online saying that. The difference between Sanders in Young supporters is that if you if you call say Bernie Sanders is wrong that you'll get called the Z.. Word and a bunch of other stuff. If you say injury is wrong his supporters will reach out and say hey we've got a spreadsheet back up our data. Can we get together at a time convenient for you and compare data and really. It's remarkable but he didn't get a lot of votes They had him on CNN. This morning yes. I am playing a lot of audio this morning. I'm somewhat sensitive lately because of three people email me saying you've played so much audio lately. We want to hear you and I appreciate you hear me. I do but I also feel like I need to set relevant context for you and sometimes that requires relying on the media and particularly because I like Andrew Gang. I want to hear him talk to see it in about getting out of the race. I I I think the party you change the race. What do you think you left it with in this process through so respectful to a guy that just lost you? You really didn't change change anything. Honestly I mean I like the guy. But he didn't change anything. I hope one of the big lessons that the other Democratic candidates take from my campaign is that we can't just run against trump. We have to run against the reasons. I got him elected that he's a symptom of a disease. That's been building up in our communities for years and we have to get get to the harder work of carrying the disease too. Many Americans do not feel like there's a place for them in the twenty first century economy that is transforming before is that that we need to start re-balancing the most extreme winner take all economy in the history of the world and put more economic resources directly in the family's hands. Okay you're you're out of the race now. Who is the Democratic candidates? Best able to do that to counter. Not just trump himself but trump the message in the general election. Are you endorsing anyone right now. We're still Obviously like reflecting on our own campaign. I'm already on the record saying I will support whoever the Democratic nominee is and this process is very important for voters to make their voices heard And see what the direction of the Party is So no endorsements right now though other candidates have been reaching out to me over the last number of hours which I appreciate a great deal no one day you know. Oh Yeah that was Jim Scuitto ask you that question. You could just come out and said are you going to endorse anyone. As opposed to a you're gonna find somebody who could read the president. We we got to beat the press. I mean you've got to beat the President President and so are you going to endorse anyone. Andhra endorsements some. You know the only endorsement that actually I think could matter if Elizabeth Warren doesn't endorse endorsed Bernie Sanders when she gets out and she's getting out win. Elizabeth Warren gets out if she doesn't endorse Bernie Sanders machine. Senators are ideologically alike. Think although she wants to call herself a capitalist to her bones and she and Bernie now have some bad blood if she endorses someone other than Sanders. That it really sends a strong signal that She she has no faith in Bernie delete the revolution if she does endorse Bernie it. I think it would be more expected the ideological but still at the same time. It's a it's it's a very different relationship there And my goodness it's I don't know that endorsements matter that the ones that matter the surprises and it would be a surprise if if Warren endorsed I say a Bloomberg after really on billionaires of money in politics that would that would matter greatly and I suspect she may go with the closure or Buddha judge. She was saying very nice up. She was defending winding Buddha J.J. Last night in New Hampshire say essentially. She didn't use any names but she went after. Joe Biden pretty aggressively that When you flee the state date and an attack good candidates for their record and claim that they have less accomplishment than you you can burn down the party to be the winner in Blast glad I'm really waiting for somebody to Dean scream. But but they didn't do it one last little bit of audio here but before we before we go in and we got to spend a little time here in the state here but there are a couple of pieces of audio. I shouldn't say one last week but but I WANNA play Katy Tur on. MSNBC how things. Look down there. In South Carolina Joe Biden had enjoyed Loyd has enjoyed a strong support among the African American community. The black community down there but it seems to be breaking apart a little bit look this most recent poll his support African Americans. Now since is it only twenty seven percents Michael Bloomberg twenty two percent that is plus stay teen since January Twenty Bernie Sanders nineteen plus two. Are you concerned Eh poor Poor finish here tonight. Might send a message to voters in South Carolina and beyond that Joe Biden is not the most electable candidate. This is sad for Joe it is. It's sad for Joe. But that's okay. I mean Bernie could Bernie could He could go all the way. Now I gotTa tell you what's happening now this is actually really funny Bernie. Sanders is pivoting where new to Nevada by the way I learned this what I was at CNN. Nevada it's not Nevada outta believe it or not. There was a there was a debate. It was a Republican presidential debate in two thousand twelve. I believe it was. Yeah yeah the twelfth cycle and I went out out to Nevada for the debate and I was admonished by who was at the time. Oh I can't remember but anyway we all sat in a room. We had to have a briefing and we were admonished. You say Nevada Not Nevada that people not from Nevada Sadah and people from Nevada say Nevada and so say Nevada and people will think your local in Nevada will get offended A couple of weeks ago on the radio I mentioned Luda Wiki and got a bunch of Louis C.. We don't mispronounce it. I just come on people if you want me to pronounce it spelling away pronounce -able like Cairo instead of K.. Okay row in in Vienna Vienna Houston in Halston. I've never understood that. But nonetheless I digress so sanders is is flying out to Nevada to rally the by the way the Caucasus are having terrible terrible technology problems. Oh my goodness is Iowa two point. Oh and they're freaking out about. They've got a week from Saturday to fix it. And so the Culinary Union in Nevada is passing seeing these things out there opposed Bernie Sanders and is just okay. You can clearly tell the they're out to get they're out to get birdies. Let me read you this. So Joe Biden. He will protect culinary healthcare. What is what is he'll protect culinary? Healthcare you you own have antibiotic chicken breasts. Still Protected Bernie Sanders will end and culinary healthcare. Da Da da. What is healthcare Culinary Allen Care He will require Medicare for all lower drug prices? Oh my goodness gracious. Cola nary healthcare so Bernie. He is pivoting to Nevada in the culinary. Healthcare workers are opposed to. Do you know who who controls the culinary healthcare workers. That would be Harry Reid. Who Sadly Harry? He's been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer is not doing well I'm not a huge fan. I always wanted to interview Harry Reid to be honest with you. These not doing well but he still has a lot of power in the Nevada Democratic circles and he wants to stop Bernie Sanders. So Oh the culinary healthcare you. You're the Culinary Union the Culinary Union is putting out this flier. They're supposedly NONPARTISAN SAYS DONALD TRUMP under healthcare dismantle obamacare under good jobs. We can unions and right to organize under immigration in Dacca and TPS separate families nope no path to citizenship. Sounds good to me Under the Democrats we got a JOE BIDEN IS I. He will protect culinary. Very healthcare expand obamacare with public option and lower drug prices. He will strengthen organizing collective bargaining and the right to strike and he will protect Dacca and provide had a pathway to citizenship The same under Buddha Jewish they say the same thing the same under Clovis are the same thing the same under Tom Steiner. They say the same thing. Elizabeth Warren is is Medicaid Medicare for all replace culinary healthcare after three your transition and lower drug prices but in the same on everything else and then Bernie Sanders he will end end culinary healthcare and require Medicare for all we. It's Hilarious to me that the union in Nevada is trying to stop a socialist. You would think they would be ideological but my goodness gracious. NO THEY WANNA stopping. They're worried about him and he doesn't do well with Hispanic Banik voters and he doesn't do well with black voters in Nevada is going to have a high concentration of Hispanic voters and white voters not very many black voters. But then you you swing from Nevada into South Carolina and can Bernie consolidated lead. They're starting to get worried about it. Even among the Union activists that Bernie could actually do it in poor old Joe Biden just floundering around you know first of all my my producer says I got distracted in the last segment. I Apologize But culinary Alan airy healthcare is totally perplexing Bernie. Apparently wants to abort it I I have no idea now next I I wouldn't tell you. There is a striking contrast. I'm seeing this on social media and it actually a good point. Andrew gangs is one of the reasons he's dropping out as he sees no path forward viability and he doesn't want people to spend their money on him and contribute to his campaign if if he doesn't see a path forward meanwhile Elizabeth Warren who clearly has no path forward at this point Is Out there talking. About how a girl with only six bucks gave her her money a unbelievable they now saying that. I want to get off of Iowa from. We'll come back to Iowa and we gotta get into the Roger Stone's stuff who when we come back we'll get into Roger sold stuff. But but I want you to ponder the story as we had to break a man and woman have been indicted on charges. They allegedly terminated the woman's pregnancy by taking medication. They ordered from India after which they allegedly hid the baby's corpse in a shoebox Kalina Gillam in Brayden mole have been indicted on one count each of involuntary Terry Manslaughter Child. Endangerment tampering with evidence and abuse of a corpse the couple appeared via video monitoring licking county court Monday according to the prosecutor Guillem took twelve misoprostol tablets. She and more ordered from India with the intention to induce labor and terminate her pregnancy. She was in her third trimester. She was twenty eight or twenty nine weeks pregnant at the time. According to Hayes Gillum gave birth to a male child in the bathroom of of the apartment and no time did either of them call nine one one. The following day she went to the hospital at which point medical staff contacted law enforcement. I want they went to the apartment law enforcement did and they found the baby's body inside a shoebox inside a trash can if you're a supporter of abortion rights. Are you supportive of what's happening to this woman. Twenty eight twenty nine weeks pregnant. She gives birth and let's the baby be die. She attempted the abortion failed. How how can you be? How can you not support her the rest of us? We know why we can't just just a quick time out from the show to think one of my favorite sponsors one of the products. I use on a daily basis multiple times that would be my quip electric toothbrush and I really am a customer faster and I really was before. They started advertising for me. That's the way I like to do these ads. I liked to endorse a product. 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It was handmade in Italy. Outfitted with the rare fourth pedal invented by the piano maker Fazio the only and was valued at roughly two hundred thousand dollars. Angela Hewitt owned the piano. She was moving moving and they dropped the piano. And it smashed that. Just that breaks my heart I cannot play the piano I taught myself when I was a kid grew up in Dubai. I realize you're not here for this but you're just GonNa have to humor me for just a minute when I was a kid and do by my parents to get me piano lessons and I absolutely hated the piano lessons. I didn't much care for the teacher and he did appreciate the fact that we had things like American holidays. We liked like Halloween distinctly remember That he decided that we were going to have piano lessons on Halloween. And I wanted to go with my friends and that was it. I had enough. I couldn't do would But I could teach myself. I could read music well enough to teach myself and there were some songs. There was one by Bach. And Brahms taught myself how to play and I love the sound of the piano. I love having a piano piano in our house. I would love to get a grand piano but I I gotta get get my mansion That I build And it's just I and I know as Yolly I. It's it's an incredible brand and that's just terrible Angela Hewitt was having her movers. move the piano and they had dropped it in its unsalvageable and it was a one of a kind piano. She's had it for seventeen years And she tried to get Fazio lead to to save it in. Oh my goodness that just just that breaks my heart sad news as we begin the second hour of this program. I'm sure you all want to know about Angela. Hewitt's piano did I'm fascinated by stuff like this but but you know what I swear whenever I moved whenever I build my mansion after I win the lottery or Chris Burns does good investments for me Then I'm going to get a grand piano now. We we will move on to other news. We need to talk about Roger Stone situation you know. All the prosecutors resigned in the prosecution. Riders don't and I have a hard time being outraged about this when I need to explain why and I realize that. I'm supposed to be outraged by this. The press tells me I'm supposed to be outraged by it. Might never trump prince tell mississippi outraged. By even some of my my pro-trump crump friends are outraged by an. Here's what happened. Roger Stone's prosecutors from the Muller investigation team wanted him to be jailed for seven in years and the president blew up about it and said this is unfair and unjust. And how dare they. You had the guy. I from Congress who is leaking stuff about the president and he only got two months in jail. Why is Roger Stole? Who just lied about coordinating with wiki leaks? What why is is he or whatever he I don't even know what charging with quite frankly But we had a lot to do with the wiki leaks collaboration on line two prosecutors. They wanted to be jail for seven years and the president blew up about it. So the Department of Justice intervene and they revised the The sentencing declaration of what they wanted to the judge. They lowered it. I think. Eight to two years to placate the president and the media of course is outraged by this. There's general outrage across the press that the president was able to do this first of all I need to tell you my view Contrary to the view you hear articulated in so much of the press the Attorney General is not somehow a quasi independent agency from the president. The power of the Attorney General is derived from the president. He is a cabinet officer. The president is executive. I believe in the unitary executive and I believe that The Attorney General has to do with the President says. And if you don't like it well then impeach the president or impeach the general. But that's just the reality of it and I gotTa Tell Ya the outrage over this I think is also crazy now. Why do I think the outrage of this is crazy very strife straightforward award? Here when you look at what all of the other people. And this is the the Revised Department of Justice Guidelines Department justice came in they were attracted the the requests for seven years and they came back with two years and the reason they came back with two years is not because the president browbeat them. But because when you look at Scooter Libby when you look at Mike Flynn when you look at a bunch of other people who are similarly situated in charged in the same way with Roger Stone. Their sentencing recommendation was two years and the Justice Department looked at that. The attorneys will look to that and said will this isn't good all of these people who we charged in similarly situated environments and in setups and what they did win two years in jail and somehow we wanna now have seven years in jail for Roger Shown now you can think it's wrong that the president blew it up and you can think it's wrong that the Department of Justice intervene but I gotta tell you it makes a lot of sense here when the guidelines names for these prior convictions were all two years for the Justice Department to say okay. Wait a second. Maybe we actually shouldn't be going with seven years for Roger and I don't care for Russia I don't like Roger Stole I'm not a big registered fan hidden. He deserves to go to jail for what he did. But there's another angle here as well that everybody wants was to dance. Rather than as the president has pardoning power if Roger Stone were to go to jail for seven years the president could commute his sentence to two years. So why would the Justice Department WanNa poor all these resources in descending Roger Stone to jail for seven years knowing that the president could undo it. What a waste the resources the president said it was too long based on all the other people similarly situated in charge over the last three decades He was overcharged. It it was a harsher Senate so scaled back to something that is more in line with everybody else that makes sense to me. All that makes sense to me and I don't think that any of us should be worked into a frenzy over at quite frankly but the media is going to do with the media is GonNa do remember everything that this president does is subject to a limited outraged by the press and frankly there are things. I think that are outrageous and there are things I think that that genuinely do need to be reined in about this president and there are things I think that I wish this president wouldn't do or tweet or say but not all of it needs to be dialed up to eleven eleven on a ten point scale and that's why so many people don't take any of this stuff seriously anymore. I mean if we're really honest about it there is a lot of outrage out there over things things that the president does that don't necessarily warrant the outrage that they get if the president were in you know I realize it's a dumb joke is repeated so often it is bipartisan. And everybody says about the other side but but it really is one of those situations where if the president were to come out tomorrow in cure cancer the headline would be. The president puts a lot of people out of work or if the president were to walk on water the headline would be. The president. Can't swim that that's kind of the way it is at this point The media in in so many people have become so broken by the president and so wrapped into derangement by the president of the United States. States on what they do I mean just consider for example the the the the Joe. Walsh stuff Joe. Walsh was a tea party conservative. Who Loved Donald Trump until he didn't and decided to run against ultra by the way other Other in New Hampshire got more votes than Joe Walsh so non nonentities got more votes than Joe. Walsh got a New Hampshire now in fairness Joe Walsh suspended his campaign after Iowa and blasted Republicans. The Republican Party is a cult of personality was deeply insulting to him. But Joe Walsh is a non starter. No one cares what Joe Walsh thinks but he suddenly got massive exposure on the media because he hates the president if you want to go on. TV and talk about the present you get all sorts of exposure. You know. I've experienced this by the way I was one of the original never-trumpers in two thousand sixteen and and you know they took me all Fox. I had a contract with. I got paid every week by Fox News to not appear on the network. It was fantastic in two twenty eighteen. I decided I was ready to be done with them. They were ready to be done with me. I was like Oh and an honest to goodness I did. More Media Hits through twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen then. I did in the last two years of my Fox contract Meet the press every month Real time with Bill Maher on. HBO ON ON CNN. MSNBC went on Al Sharpton Show actually even did some Fox News and then I dared to you say that I would support Donald Trump in twenty twenty given the alternatives in twenty twenty I wasn't going to third party. Did that in two thousand sixteen and look what happened. That guy turned nuts. I wasn't we're GONNA sit out and so if my choice was between Republican House Republican even particularly care for the president of his policies. Were far better than expected. He himself as president has been far better than expected. There's a lot of stuff. I don't like their character issues that I don't like I still think character counts. I'm really disappointed. We don't have someone with better character but just because you don't mean tweet on the democratic side doesn't mean you have good character. You people born to chop up kids and sell them for Bart's so I'll go trump and you will not be surprised to learn that the number of times I've been on TV TV. Since I said that plummeted haven't been on meet the press since as a matter of fact And I I've got great relationship with the folks that real time with Bill Bill Maher and I still go on And actually had bill a couple of weeks ago throw my criticisms of trump in my face and asks could support the guys like. Have you seen the Democrats rats. Of course he's a democrat. He likes them but Do I wish I had a candidate that I could point to with my kids and say that guy's a role model be like him. Yeah I would love love to have somebody like that. And I don't think trump's that guy I would prefer not to have a brain biblical donkey as president who mean tweets people but my goodness compared to the Democrats. Your ear during right. I'm going to go with Donald. Donald trump at least we got a good economy. He's deregulated He's been willing to pick fights with people and frankly. I don't know that any other Republican would stood for Brett cavenaugh given the what the Democrats did the bread red capital I. It was remarkable that George W. Bush was behind the scenes lobbying for Brett cavenaugh even Bush. Who ideally like? Even if I disagreed with him on a a number of things I very much respect to the man loved him and I was shocked that he would for Brad. Kavanagh never would've thought that if he were president he would have stood up. I certainly don't think Mitt Romney John McCain or anyone like that would of even nominated a Brett capital little stood up for me here comes donald trump willing to stand up for the guy who's been disparaged in a in a character assignation smear campaign. So you're right. I'm GonNa go for trump and twenty twenty but I just. I still wish that there were things that he did differently. But all of this is to say going full circle here that not everything he does is worth the outrage. I'm willing to call out and I always have it in one of those interesting things where I get a lot of blowback now for saying Donald Trump bat on something that I ever did for say George Bush battles of the Mitt Romney John McCain battled something this this circle the wagons around Donald Trump thing. I it deeply is in fact. The exit polling rolling in New Hampshire shows that fifty five percent of Republicans who voted Felt more affinity to Donald trump than for the Republican party. The Republican Party is a party of Donald Trump and and The voters who vote are Donald Trump voters that not really republican voters. And so I understand this circle the wagons stuff and we can't say anything critical but I I'm sorry I think it's my job to call it as I see it until you what I think is right and what I think is wrong and have some underlying premise of of what right and wrong is based on a grounding morality rally and values and ethics as opposed to A. It's my team. My team can do no wrong. No I assure you. I've seen the braves play. They can do a lot of stuff wrong. My Team Cam. AM screw up whether it's in politics or in baseball. And Oh my beloved cubbies Nonetheless I digress the outrage over the Roger Stone stuff though just just takes it to a new level. They can't even. The media cannot even process. Why the Justice Department intervened? They can say well. The president blew up on twitter and and they wanted to play the president. Did they want Roger Stone. Pardon because that's what would have happened. and Are you going to impeach the president for that. No you're not gonNA impeach the president for that. You may try but you're not going to get it. Could it could become a campaign issue. Yeah I guess it good. But you're not gonNA impeach the President again and he could pardon. Roger Stole the Justice Department intervening made sense and the fact that all of these similarly situated defendants in the past thirty years who were similarly charged as Roger Stone. We're only recommended to go to jail for two years ears. And they wanted seven for Roger Stone's suggests the prosecutors got it wrong now to their credit you do have to give the prosecutors credit. They resigned. I personally think than Alexandra Veneman and his brother. be behaved as Honorable Patriots. And doing what they thought needed to do to. I didn't like the the attacks on them. I may have disagreed on them but they follow the process. They worked with the Inspector General. They weren't out there militias leaking to the press as far as anyone knows and they were treated badly but the president deserves to have a loyal staff around them and the president was right to move them out of the White House after the impeachment inquiry. But personally I have long thought that if they really had that much hostility to the president the president was doing that much wrong. They should have resigned in protest. That's what gymnast did. Gimenez resigned in protest to the president's policies on Syria. They should have done the same thing I give credit to these prosecutors. Who all resigned en masse because they disagreed with the DOJ the president? Did they all quit. One of them actually quit the case and then resigned from the Department of Justice and I think that was the proper thing for them to do if they disagreed. But I don't think it was improper for the Department of Justice to intervene and point out that you guys are treating Roger Stone far more harshly than we've treated treated any other similar situated defendant political cases. That's a fair point in the fact that the media skips over that to just be outraged about the president. It says more about the media than it does about the president or the Department of Justice. You know you can sign up for the daily email by texting the word show two two three three seven seven seven. You'll get a link to the podcast. You will sign up. I send out a daily email with some thoughts It is it's worth doing If you want to be the most informed person your circle of friends I spend a just a few minutes with Beckett. Atoms in his piece in the Washington. Examiner If you think about the news industry's credibility problem You haven't seen anything yet and just how bad it can be is going to get much much worse. if Tuesday's I e slipshod news reporting and countries in indication. We begin with Maggie Haberman who tweeted the following falsehood Monday evening Republican voter registration Australia. New Hampshire's down roughly twenty thousand voters from two thousand sixteen to now it's a reminder that trump's increased. GOP popularity is in part because in some places the Republican registration rolls have shrunk. You got that that. He's super popular with Republicans because there are fewer Republicans and so he can keep the Republicans in lockstep having a few of them. This has actually been debunked multiple times in fact a Gallup which has surveyed this for the longest amount of time says actually the Republican Party Overall popularity among Americans is on the rise compared to the Democrats which is striking now earlier this earlier in the day. Katie Eighty tour on MSNBC. She also was complaining about Gerrymandering. The Senate awhile back and by the way she's very nice person But she's I don't know that she recognizes cognizitive. She has a liberal bias and she does and she decided that she wanted to go after the economic numbers from the White House and and she actually let me read you what she said when I asked people that voted for Donald Trump I hear about their 401k's a lot but there are those out there who don't have a 401k and there are those out there who this economy's really not working for them they might have a job but it's not a job that pays their bills they can get a car but it's a loan that will take thirty ears. The silence is intentional. There's no such thing as a thirty thirty year car loan. I say that as someone who has now bought multiple cars over the years you can't get a thirty year car loan you may be able to get out to five years but you can't go beyond that it's not going to happen. They're not going to do it and then in there were Christina. LLC ON CNN Who the Bloomberg audio showed up? You know the Bloomberg audio where he stop and Frisk audio defended. Stop and Frisk She used to work for Bloomberg by the way. Let me read you what she says. So here's the important thing and I import context here. We don't don't have the full tape so this is obviously snippets. That have been released. The podcast where the writer that released this sound is clearly a birdie supporter if you look at twitter feed. He's very anti Bloomberg he's promoted the Hashtag Bloomberg is racist and by the way The full audio is even worse for Bloomberg the guy you selected snippets but the full audio that puts Foale context is actually even worse than the snippets and yet. Here's the former Bloomberg reporter for CNN CNN. This could be edited. We don't really know. And then there's Heidi Pris- Chris Bwa from NBC. WHO believes that? The Bloomberg is racist. Hashtag circulated on social media is a Kremlin plot. Never mind that audio showed up of Mike Bloomberg where he defends stop and Frisk and Sending police officers overwhelmingly into black communities and targeting black citizens to reduce crime and this organically gets a Hashtag going that Bloomberg. Is this racist. And what is the result of all of this. You've got a reporter. Say that this is a Kremlin conspiracy. No it's actually the IT. It is really only GonNa get worse until November. No one's GonNa believe the press on anything by the time this is over. They are destroying their credibility in ways. Ways that are genuinely sad to see hello there it is Erik Erikson you can call in Part of the program if you like the number is eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five if you WANNA get on the recipe list You you can text the word recipe to three seven seven seven. I occasionally fiber. y'All I've been traveling I've been busy. You'll have to show me a little grace here But I will get your recipes But you text the word recipe two three three seven seven seven and a occasionally try to once a week. But I've been traveling a lot so I haven't I will send you a recipe and it should be one that anybody can make. They're not hard to make. I do recommend food scale. Somebody asked me the other day. If there's one thing that I would recommend any kitchen what would it be. I mean the obvious. One is the kitchen aid mixer. You should have a kitchen aid mixer If you like to sort of cooking but the other one is is a kitchen scale Because I am finding more and more that I do bread making in baking now a lot and have the kitchen scale is really handy and my wife is doing mack wrote wrote my goodness. It takes all the joy out of cooking and now she's got me doing it too macro St- to eat You know you gotTa have so many grams of protein in so many grams of carbs and so many grams of fat and it drives me insane and in my trainer Steven has been telling me. You GotTa do this really WanNa lose weight. It's die at not exercising way. I'm going to cross every like three days a week. I'm going some days four days a week. My parts of my body hurt. I didn't even know I had them until they started hurting. And I'm like Oh there's something new there and only reason I know it exists because it hurts and then doing the stink and macaroni and I just it drives me crazy nonetheless. You gotTa have a kitchen scale for that as well because you know you've gotta eat point. Two ounces of Turkey Erkki okay. We need to move on to other things But you can call eight seven seven nine seven Eric. What are the things that I really have wanted to talk about? Is the coronavirus and there is a story in. Fox's I'm not GonNa read you the story too. 'cause you're panic please. Seized don't panic. I hesitate to bring up the story. I feel compelled to bring up the story but what nearly two hundred Georgia residents are being monitored for corona virus. Yes that would be Georgia in the United States Georgia. Two hundred Georgia residents be monitored for corona virus. Here in in in Georgia where I am but don't panic In this this is not from a fringe conspiracy websites from Fox News. George now I realize if you're on the left left you think Fox News the conspiracy website but come on now nope no. This is Georgia. Health officials announced on Tuesday that around two hundred residents are self monitoring monitoring for the corona virus virus after returning from China. None of the residents have shown symptoms of the virus and none of them had visited visited who bay province the epicenter of the outbreak. Health officials reportedly didn't use the word quarantine instead phrasing it. That people are being isolated in their homes for fourteen days which is considered the viruses incubation period. According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution a new paper by Chinese ninety scientists say the period could be as long as for twenty four days officials have reportedly been colleen each traveler letting them know of the potential symptoms of the virus and the importance of staying at home during the timeframe residents under quarantine were given an online tool that notifies them when their isolation time is up. There are no reported corona virus infections in Georgia as of Wednesday and commercial flights have been suspended between Atlanta and China local experts say Georgia's just processes to handle emerging diseases or better than ever. There are thirteen confirmed cases of curl virus in six states in in the United States about three hundred ninety three people in twenty four countries around the globe have been infected since it was first reported. In December ninety nine percent of the cases remain in China China China has had ninety seven more deaths on Wednesday increasing. The total two thousand one hundred thirteen in mainland China's the country remains closed off from the rest of the world in sixty sixty million people are under quarantine. That's crazy the new infection cases declined for a second straight day with two thousand fifteen fifteen reported in the last twenty four hours the US Postal Service said on Tuesday. It was experiencing significant difficulty sending letters and express mail the China after airlines suspended flights. Now now I've got some more data here that you should know who are these. Thirteen people It's someone let's see. Who is I want to give credit where it's due? This is also on Fox Fordham thirteen corona cases. Confirm here's what you need to know about. The Centers for Disease Control confirmed the thirteenth case. The bringing California's totals little seven cases. The rest are in Arizona. Illinois Massachusetts Wisconsin in Washington. The patient list includes two pairs of spouses. The thirteenth patient was evacuated evacuated from Wuhan. The patient tested negative at first and was allowed to return to quarantine at the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar. The patient was returned to the university versus California's San Diego Health on Monday. For further testing it resulted in positive. The patient has not been confirmed as a US citizen evacuees who were on the first flight for were set to be released from quarantine Tuesday. They're currently being assessed to make sure they remain symptom free and then we hope to release them. Meanwhile China has locked down people major. US airlines have suspended flights in the. Here's what we know in Arizona. There's a man in his twenties. He's the state's only known tone carrier of the virus. He was in Wuhan and he's part of the Arizona State University Community There's a patient. San Diego is the seventh case in California confirmed cases in January two patients or in Santa Clara County tour in nearby San Benito County one is in Los Angeles one is an Orange County Johny the two cases in San Benito County or spouses one of whom travelled to China and one who did not this is the first instance of clothes household person to person transmission in California. There's no evidence evidence of transmission in the general public in Illinois. There's a husband and wife who became sick. The Chinese woman is in her sixties returned from central China got her husband's sick back in Massachusetts. There's one a Boston man who went to Wuhan in Washington. There's one He also went to Wuhan Wisconsin. There's one this patient had been in Beijing and so essentially every single person who has the Wuhan flew in the United States E- is as someone who went to China or is married to someone who went to China. There has been no person to person transmission inside the inside the United States except for Two who couples One of whom the spouse went to China and came back and transmitted to their spouse. Both of it was it was the wives who came back and gave it. Would you their husbands but nonetheless That's your update on the corona virus. It continues to wreck havoc in China and the Chinese economy we may have of economic fallout in this country because so much of our stuff has manufactured over there but we do have in this country in case you hear the rumors cases blunt out of control two hundred cases. This is in Georgia of people who are not infected but are in coroner in isolation here in Georgia area Because they went to China they're on a fourteen day quarantine period on their self reporting to the CDC. They're not leaving their houses. They're responsible American citizens not trying to get anyone anyone sick. So there's your update now. Let's move on to other stuff. I want to actually go to the phones at eight. Seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three Seven four to five grace's calling from Watkins Ville Grace Welcome to the show thank you. I'm disappointed in the lack of coverage that Amy Klobuchar. Getting really well. She's the headline in in almost every major paper. The country today. Yeah well. I've been listening to the radio. So the radio I've been hearing about Help Bernie and how Biden and Elizabeth more they are in trouble and and basically club charge finish has been kind of an afterthought okay. That's fair that's fair so you're you're voting for Schorr them. No Heck No. I'm not going to decide my vote at this point but She she's got a lot going for for sure. Her and I was the one that stayed up. four years ago. And because I knew it was going to be a rice and I knew that trump had a fighting chance and my gut tells me that there are a lot of people like me out there. That where we were on the fence for years ago but now now we got the money that actually have good fat and doesn't have a lot of baggage I think he'd he'd good bet. Well you know it is interesting. You said there's a problem for Amy Klobuchar said an analytical level in that she pulls worse among black voters at Buda does and so even some of the Democrat Claire mccaskill on on. MSNBC was pointing this out that She's not sure where Kluber sharking go other than propping up Bernie. Unless she can work on that now I would suspect grace that he is going to have a massive Pool of fundraising here in the next twenty. Four hours given what happened in New Hampshire. Because it really wasn't expected It really was it. Something that people saw coming until the end of last week they knew because of the debate on Friday she was beginning to surge. The poll stopped opt on Sunday. So no one knew the extent of the of it is like you see the you see the person coming towards you and then all of a sudden the lights go off. And you know the person's coming towards you but now you can't see how close they've gotten to you before the lights go off very much. That was the way the the tracking polling was where she got closer and closer and closer and closer issues edging and edging and then the polling stopped and we were like way. She's got momentum. We WanNa know what's happening. Well they they had it on Tuesday night and guess what turns out. She's in third. She had been V and she shot up to third Biden in free fall. Oakland Shark getting some of his votes. The it is a remarkable story for her. But it's also the story that she came in Third Nineteen Point eight percent twenty percents. She stayed fairly. Well clustered with with the other two. She'll get some delegates out of it But where could amy Klobuchar. Oberstar go from here now. She maybe she can go to South Carolina in work hard to get black voters in Nevada and make a case for herself. there'll be another debate for her heard a shine a but I do think that Claire mccaskill made a fair point that everyone has been talking about how badly boot `age does with black doc voters enclosure actually does worse with black voters. If you can't win black voters you can't win. The the Democratic Nomination Island New Hampshire are somewhat anomalous because They are overwhelmingly white. But you're now moving Out of there and you're moving to a whole new level of candidate and I gotTa tell you we're still in this. I want to play this audio from. This is a voter in New Hampshire who was interviewed as to how they were gonNA vote in there. There's some some truth here people. I don't know take a look at this moment. Today in New Hampshire take a look who I voted for mclovin tell me why I actually would in any mode it. You're kidding between the BOOT in the booth. Wow Wow in this. This is some of the data that John King picks from the New Hampshire primary and over not too far away from each other. They're voting differently in those two words. Well if you raise a great point we should get this out Roy. This is a crowded field. This many candidates this is David Chalian said in the exit polls raced broke really late Cobra. Had that good debate Friday night booted you tend to bounce out of Iowa. Sanders is the known entity. What would happen Right Biden and Warren more established would they lose support support to the newcomers Buddha judge and closure for the most part if you go back in time and look now we'll see more votes coming in here another another township coming in with Sanders in elite up here in Thornton relatively really small with the zero point two percent the state population up there but if you see Senator Sanders pulling up so so just want to go back a little bit just to show you something when you have more candidates in the race look at the the margins you're back to two thousand sixteen you know these were blowouts in a two sanders ran it up in the state against Secretary Clinton but four years ago to candidates right you have bigger margins one of the challenges Senator Sanders. This time. He's a known face. He's expected to win. Because it's next door. And because he won their last time is what does he do with the margins. You see these small club shark the townships up here. That's the midnight vote. That's Dixville Notch. That's Hart's Location there and you see these other votes coming in so different again. You'RE GONNA come over here. This is Dover very early on Sanders with forty percent. Forty one percent to twenty percent there. If you go back in time and look at it again. This was a blow out in the two candidate race but Danna was talking about this earlier. You go to rally in New Hampshire with these voters especially late in the campaign. They were anguished they agree. They WANNA be trump but they were all over the place you had liberals at booted events. You had more moderates at other events and they were trying to figure this out the more crowded race in the early results. We're seeing play out. It's it was a tough choice for new Hampshire Democrats and the early results play that out. Yeah y'all I'm I I gotTa Tell You I. It's and and by the way I liked John. King full disclosure I like wolf and John King tremendously and in fact I see all the all the hipsters online in. MSNBC Steve Kornacki at his in his information. No John Kenyon. His Magic Wall is far. More informative Deep Dives data more. And he is right here that because there is a more crowded that feel that it's tighter for burning at least he will call that so much to The lady who just called it is it's. It's actually interesting to me that we've got to set up where you've got major coverage has been actually about Kluber Shar In Buda judge doing so. Well in not that Bernie one and the closure is a surprise a major media headlines today it it really is. It's fascinating to see them. MM covering her rise and the effort I think in the media the pivot to stop Bernie Sanders when we come back. What about black voters? Joey read who's a bit of another on. MSNBC actually said something that she makes a lot of. I know I know I know. But she's making some since since I. You need to hear this audio to put this in perspective and by the way we do have Georgia stuff to cover. There's there's foster care bill. That has dropped that. I want to talk about but we need to. We need to get through this just bear with me. You gotta you gotTa hear this when we come back. Welcome welcome it. Is Eric Erickson here. We need to discuss a a score. GE- a a scourge a blight of humanity that you didn't know existed this. This is this is this may actually be the most most important story of the day needing can be racist. I kid you not So a woman. Her name is Karen templars. She's a knitting designer. She owns an online store called fringe association creation. Let me read you. What she wrote? It was a blog post entitled Twenty nineteen my year of color now. This is a story from a year a year ago that is recirculating Because there is now a greater outrage in the crafting community that too much of it is white light in. Interestingly enough too much of it is Mormon so okay just as an aside there is a thing online is a phenomenon on the mom blogger and I haven't quite figured it out. I don't know if he I don't know the the intention of it or what but it's very interesting so this mom blogger phenomenon on it is overwhelmingly Mormon and they have some put together families and they do crafting an organization in raising your kids. And it's just it's incredible it's like recruiting for the Latter Day saints at. It's impressive and this. This is a recurring theme. Now I was coming back up because apparently the the mom bloggers are overwhelmingly a attractive young white women and and how racist it is and there aren't people of Color in it and there's all sorts outrage in a a friend of mine since this incident will remember this. This is insane. So here's this post this woman wrote. I wanted to go to India for as long as I can remember. I'm a lifelong obsession. I've a lifelong obsession with literature. And History of the continent photos of India. Fill me with longing like no other place one of my closest friends when I was twelve and her family had offered back back then that if I ever wanted to go with him on one of their trips I could to a suburban midwestern teenager with a severe anxiety disorder. That was being offered a seat on a flight to Mars then about six weeks ago the opportunity presented itself a chance to go with the friend. Who's been I said yes and I felt like the top of my head was GONNA fly off? I'm so oh indescribably excited within forty eight hours three of my friends who are so much better travelers than me But who were equally humbled at the idea of actually going to India also said yes. There has hardly been a single day since that. I have it set in disbelief. Either my head out loud. I'm going to India. This is a woman men who is terribly excited and then Alex cline showed up in her comments. Karen I'd ask you to read what you wrote and think about how your words feed into a colonial imperialist mindset toward India and other non Western countries multiple times. You compare the idea of going to India to the idea of going to another planet. How do you think a person from India Radio would hear about that would feel to hear about that and Karen replied very quickly and said No? It's just I've never been to a place. It's like this I. It wasn't meant to be imperialist it was meant to be. It's like going to to a different planet for me because I've never been anywhere like it in inclined towards instead of asking your Indian fringe to perform more emotional national labor for you and assuage your white woman. Tears maybe do some reflection on how your equation of Indie with an alien world reinforces other mindset. That is the core of imperialism realism and colonialism. I kid you not blew up massively well So finally poor miss templer had to get on her blog and say words matter in and apologize. I have hurt angered and disappointed. A lot of people this week with my insensitive post about my upcoming trip to India and my handling of response and I'm so sorry about it I've spent the week listening denard and learning and thinking about all of the things I can do to be more inclusive in support of the people of Color. Good Lord come on people. She's excited to go Odi Indian. You've ruined it for and now it's happening with the MOM. Bloggers there to white. It's all racist to be a good mother who organizes their pantry. Not Racist ACIS is just. OCD just a quick time out from the show to think one of my favorite sponsors one of the products. I use on a daily basis multiple times that would be my quip whip electric toothbrush and I really am a customer and I really was before they started advertising for me. That's the way I like to do these ads. 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Drives me crazy okay. I'm I'm GonNa do what I never do. I'm going to start a segment of the program with a phone call. I actually am believe it or not because it gets to what I wanted talk about anyway. So I'm going to have mark calling for middle. Georgia helped me kickoff the show mark. Welcome Hello Eric how you doing. I'm great how about yourself. I'm not too bad I do like your show by the way thank you you changed. Everything changed. You took over someone slot and I was a little apprehensive. But you've you've. We've actually exceeded my expectations. I'm going to try not to screw it up there. You go all right I'll get to my point I like everyone else. Have you know we. We have these thoughts on Biden of why he got in and then it all the obvious thing was that it made sense because he was the vice president and all this stuff but then with the impeachment going on and the articles being held up it seems to me that Biden has just been a big hit fake you know. Pay attention to Biden. We've got Bloomberg sneaking in and then with the with the impeachment thing that really blew me away holding up the articles because it seemed like that was just to kill sanders to kill warned to kill every senator that was going to have to sit there. They weren't going to be able to. You know participate in Iowa and so it was like the obvious thing was the hill Biden. But when you look at Biden can't raise any money. How could he have chosen one? Yeah he'll think Buddha is the chosen one. See Okay I I get what you're saying in I I would disagree just to this. Extent of the media is is really good about narrative and not necessarily good about projection action in prognostication. And there's something to be said for having the former vice president who was brock Obama's vice president who who has a sixty percent approval in the black community be the guy to come out and run And so I think a lot of the media myself included. Frankly a Ahah bought into that. Yeah this looks on. Paper Biden looks to be formidable. And when you're right out all of the candidates who were going to run a Biden looks to be the guy. I just didn't turn out the way he was a paper tiger Now I know you're definitely right. Mark that the Buddha ges is someone who a lot of them are really excited about but burridge is also Think white people like and the white people the media love Buddha judge But he's not translating well outside of rich white people so it in in frankly demographically in New Hampshire You've got a bunch of of upper income white people who who voted for boot. `Age you know. Interestingly enough back to Cobra Shahrokh quick quick do you know that she did best among people who go to church regularly if you're voting to the Democratic primary and you go to church regularly Amy Klobuchar was the person you voted for. If you never go to church Bernie Sanders was the one that she voted for. I'm always fascinated by that dynamic and get a get a sense of how things are shaping up by that. I think though that the media fixation is moving rapidly to Bloomberg not to judge because deep down if you talk to reported if you've talked to democratic strategist you don't even have arisen. I know a number of democratic strategists. They're they're friends of mine even as we disagree on stuff we actually get along very well and I know a lot of them and privately David Lee. What they say is that they are worried about boot? `Age being a small town Midwest mayor I mean South Bend has a population of about one hundred thousand. That's about about the size of Bebe County here in Georgia And they're they're worried about him being the nominee because of his lack of experience and because because Buddha judge can come off somewhat robotically descends into corporate McKinsey. Ask speech and can he really relate it to people particularly to black voters but there's a rapid move towards Bloomberg. Let me listen a I know. Many of you don't like him. I I actually adore the guy Joe Scarborough and I have been friends for a very long time I may disagree with him. You're not going to hear me. Say anything critical of him himself. Even if we disagree I disagree with him on Bloomberg But listen listen to him talking about Bloomberg. This is kind of indicative of where a lot of the media's headed the alleged firewall we keep hearing about there. was that Q poll. That came out that all of a sudden looked like. Oh wait wait a minute that firewalls going away. The idea that African American voters will hang in come. What may with Joe Biden? Just isn't true. If they see him losing and losing they're not gonNA hanging with with the marlins absolutely. I think I've been saying all along that African American voters and it's a complex constituents. Yeah right pragmatic in like to win. They like to yeah. We like to complicate no. It's not really complicated. But we also know that if there's an increase in turnout we've been saying it if there's an increase in turnout is going to be younger voters we're going to be showing yup that's GonNa help Bernie Sanders. We also see that among the supporters for for Joe Biden. There's some questions about whether or not he could take it to the tape and we see some people blur interested in my Bloomberg. I've been traveling around the country for Martin Luther King Day at what I've been hearing among particularly upper middle-class black voters right. He's an interest and and Mike Bloomberg which is kind of odd giving the critique of Kamla Harris as the prosecutor a cop and here you have this guy with people and Robert is better better than anybody else it ain't about ideology like Republicans running around in two thousand seven talking about how Barack Obama was the second most liberal senator and the United States Senate. It ain't about ideology it's about who people think are going to lead them into the future. The strongest take care of them. Take their families take care of the country and you know right now for a lot of Democrats. It doesn't make sense to a lot of people just like trump didn't make sense so a lot of people republicans but right now. It looks like Mike Bloomberg. Oh there's a guy that knows how to punch trump in the face and he drives him crazy easy and listen. That's a fair analysis regardless of what you think of of of Joe. That's actually a very fair analysis. There are a lot of Democrats who were seeing Blooberg and Bloomberg knows this by the way Bloomberg knows that as long as he can trash talk trump that he will get a favorable showing with a lot of Democrats. The problem is that Bloomberg has very well been vetted the Republicans are going join to vet him and the Democrats are largely going to do the rest of the media by the way is is gonNA largely do their best to ignore him but this this gets back to the Ramleh. Let me play you this clip from Mike Bloomberg and I don't even want to tell you what it is. I want to play it and let you digest it in the ask yourself yourself. What would the media say trump said this best your do you have any wait? com personally identified as a person that we it's either there most of my in Basically is that European competition something other things we can do it. They want eh arm. We should insist on getting value for our foreign aid out of Ukraine out of Ukraine. He also went on. And and compared Putin's invasion of Crimea to the American takeover of California in the eighteen. Hundreds is a we do this too. We do this all the time we we've done this historically can you imagine if Donald Trump it said did that with the media would do and yet. They're willing to give him a pass. I will say this. Let me move beyond him and get back. amores point on on Biden I on paper former vice president serve with Barack Obama in the united the State Senate for got what for thirty forty years as a huge fundraising base has huge support among black voters. A on paper. He's the guy to beat on paper he's the Guy You want on paper. He's the guy who everyone should connect with because of his ties to Barack Obama and and he's not he's flay lean. It's it's kind of sad Robert Gibbs. CBS was the the Obama Press Secretary. Here he is on MSNBC or does that delegate math look like and so you may have five go on you may not have five. That are plausible. And I think you can existential crisis tonight for Vice President Biden. He if he's got to win South Carolina it just has to and he has to prove that that electorate that hasn't participated fully yet when it does is still for him and I think that's a huge question that is That's Obama's press secretary and that that elector that has a participated yet. He's he's talking about black voters. They still got to turn out for biting and if they don't it's a problem. Now Look I did not intend to spend the entire day on on this but it is kind of a big deal honestly when I tried to put this in perspective where it would very much be like for those who are older than me which is probably most of the listeners? Honestly I'm I'm forty four and if you're slightly older than me to to your senior season two citizen it's it would be like George. H W Bush losing the nomination in nineteen eighty eight to Bob Dole. He was re. Bush was Reagan's vice president. He'd been the head of the RNC ambassador to China the head of the the CIA World War Two veteran huge resume if he had lost in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. That would have been a really big deal and this now I realise you've got four years removed but still this is Obama's legacy Joe Biden was his guy got the presidential medal of freedom for Obama's the vice president but it's really telling the silence of the Obama team they have been really really quiet about Biden and part of me. I honest to goodness part of me wonders. If there's going to be some level of intervention behind the scenes I mean he will will Obama himself. Go to the go-to Biden and say. Hey Buddy it probably time for you to get out of this Joey Lumpia Time to go enjoy. Your retirement be listed this conversation on. CNN New Year there were two national polls in the last couple of days is that showed him dropping significantly and what was noteworthy at least in the Quinnipiac. Poll haven't been able to look inside the mammoth Elliott was a precipitous drop among young African Americans after Iowa. Well he had fifty one or two percent before I went down to like twenty five twenty six percent so dropped by half which goes goes to what you guys are saying. African American voters are discerning voters. They're looking for a candidate who can beat Donald Trump. They were attracted to Joe Biden. Yes because of his service service with Barack Obama but also because they thought he was the guy who could be trump and it's hard to look like a winner when you're losing. That's David axelrod brock. Doc Obama's chief strategist. I Know David David extra by the way as an aside is a great great commentator he he really is He and Van Jones on CNN. Do the Democrats a a a a good service by being willing to call bs on their own side and and be objective about it. They they do a fantastic job. David is a very nice guy And you would think he'd be supportive of Biden and yet he's one of the ones who's been saying for a while. That Biden is floundering around Biden is flooding and he is he's old my goodness and Bernie Sanders is older than him. And at some point age matters and it's going to matter what you'll Biden I. It really is starting to look like elder abuse. I feel sorry for the guy. I like Joe the Biden. Listen I realized you and I disagree on everything. Joe Biden says but it's hard not to like a guy who's who's that that crazy affable Poland and laughable and and his wife has done such good work by the seems without ever getting credit for it With people in the military who who came back from overseas with debilitating injuries. They're just they're nice people they really are. He's terrible politician and he would be a bad president with the policies he would advance. But I can say that and say he's a nice person and I realize there's some people that there's a new campaign because he's good. I try to like people on the other side of the aisle even when I disagree with them but oh my goodness the disaster. It's time for him to go. It is time for him to go. And it's time for us to move on from talking about it all right one more interesting little political note Uh There's Alabama polling Doug Jones He's getting blown out of the water right now. In the Alabama Senate Jeff sessions at thirty one percent time to reveal twenty nine percent Bradley burned seventeen Roy Moore five percent only sixteen percent undecided Jones loses to all of them By all of them. Getting over fifty percent he he is dead man walking Geen and interestingly enough All the people on the democratic side upset about this report to know but all the same polls show that trump is going to lose as. Yeah but all the polls show that George W. Bush was gonNA lose to John Kerry this time in two thousand four things change the one stable thing is that He is he ebb. Doug Jones is not GonNa win in Alabama all right all right all right all right all right Jessi small it however you say if if you listen to the Dave Chapelle stand up on Netflix. It's juicy small lay. He is indicted in Chicago. Kogyo I find this story hilarious. So he sets up for those who do not recall juicy smooth away. He was the actor on Im- buyer. The Fox show who was worried about being dropped from the show so he went to Chicago and it was like negative ten degrees in in a blizzard like conditions and decided to walk to a subway and claimed that to do to make America great again. Hats and rope showed up out of the blue and said hey our choose you see small lay from empire we need to Lynch you and op. He made the whole they really worked with with his trainers. who were Nigerian? Or some such mean the whole thing was a scale and it was designed to get him attention for standing up to Donald Trump. You know he said that he would. He had that interview with. What's her name Gayle King or whoever and and he took it to the man he he was he was a brave dude and took it to the man? Holy Moly well he made the whole thing up And it it. It didn't go over the way he planned to go and well. Now he's getting indicted. Now if you'll recall the district attorney cut a deal with him and basically weekly he got out of everything even though in the police in in Chicago were livid because when they said they didn't believe him he and his team blasted the police and became a big deal there the way he handled it and is so many members of the press treated him as if he was some honest broker or some such it was deeply embarrassing and they should have known better but they you didn't and everyone kind of apologized for him or at least a distance themselves and it didn't turn out well for for Juicy Malay- and now he's going to be indicted. I was trying to find well. I don't have time to play this audio of the the the way the media treated as if he was telling the truth truth very much like you know what it reminded me of in the design. End Debate win. The media went after when they went after Bernie Sanders. I say to Elizabeth Warren that a woman couldn't win and he denied it and said there's no way he would ever say that and then they turned Elizabeth ordway. Why did Bernie Sanders tell you this They just treated it as if it was true when it wasn't with such a scam. Alrighty we got other stuff to talk about who can we move on. Please from from New Hampshire. Everybody Joe Biden injure moved on from New Hampshire. I WANNA bring you up to date on some real quick. This is important. I have blasted lasted fifth. Third Bank repeatedly fifth Third Bank and Wells Fargo. You will recall that in Florida. They have an opportunity. Scholarship Program Fifth Third Bank Bank has contributed five point. Four million dollars Into this program over time is a program that allows poor kids to go to a school school of their choice. He gives scholarships in the private schools for poor kids in failing school systems to get out there. A thousand schools that participate eighty three of those thousand schools are Christian schools. That actually believe the Bible and take it seriously and what the kids go there to take it seriously and so they. They require that if you come to their school you you support a biblical ethics including Biblical ethic of sexuality that marriages between a man and a woman and homosexuality and adultery or sins and because of that because these eighty three schools could potentially allow poor kids to get good Christian Education's Education's Fifth Third Bank and Wells Fargo walked away from the scholarship under pressure from the alphabet. Gang and Fifth Third Bank has decided to come back act to it they they have reconsidered. It Tony Perkins writing at the daily signal notes. This that Fifth Third Bank has come to his senses. After after a week of uncertainty the company Said Down with Florida parents and pastors and decided not to listen to the cultural beliefs. It's one thing company to support. LGBT extremism is quite another. The bank agreed read to hurt. Needy children in the process. Most kids had already left school for the weekend when they got the good news. What are the biggest contributor to the Florida voucher program wasn't dropping out after all fifth third third bank who joined Wells Fargo and abandoning the scholarships had gotten an earful in after a few days of protest rallies nonstop phone calls? The business finally relented. It's five point. Four million dollar investment in school choice for the state would go on regardless of what the Orlando Sentinel in some liberal lawmakers think Or lend the the Orlando Sentinel is deeply deeply The critical of Fifth Third Bank for supporting poor kids going to schools of their choices and in Fifth Third Bank has now decided that they will in fact support that that program Wells Fargo however is standing with the alphabet gang and basically telling a poor kids to go to failing schools and unless you become a Christian which is just hilarious to me that they would do that but they would Okay we'll we'll get to the false even have to put off tomorrow actually WanNa talk about this instead. Because I'm talking about politics. We talk about other stuff. The era too many people just been all their time talking about politics about so much because I got this question and I've talked about it on my other show and I really talked about it here. governor got a listener and now I cannot remember who they are where they're from. I just got the email yesterday and then accidentally deleted it But I I wrote a note that needed to address the the issue is your kids in the Internet and we you know I've got a fourteen year old and I got eleven year old. And how do you deal with your kids on the Internet and they were looking for some advice on this issue for me in what I do and so I wanna walk you through what I do because this is growing issue for a lot of people As there so many bad things on the Internet and by the way we're really bad in our house our our kids probably use screens too much In fact with our eleven year old were beginning to think we need to just like take them away during the during the week and and I've got for cell we. We let our child using an hour a day. No no I mean. There are screens or our babysitters in our house. Let I'm just being honest with you. A were bad about it and and we will will write rules down and we'll enforce them for a while and then we get lax with our kids because we've got to really good well behaved kids Who generally do well in school are eleven year old needs? A little motivation are are fourteen year. Old Is is brilliant. And we we try to be with them but I'm increasingly concerned too. If we're honest about it a just the general stuff you get on Youtube and things in the stuff you can encounter the owner so we do a couple of things in our house first of all. We're in all apple family in our house we don't have any PC's or android devices in our house so that makes it somewhat. Different than apple has a very robust robust screen time program as long as your your devices are all up to date. You have access to screen time screen time can regulate the amount of time your kids are on. The computer can regulate the amount of time there on each APP on their phone or computer and you can override it it. It has override rules if your kids got to study for an exam or something you can let them be on for example the Internet longer or access certain websites but you could also restrict the websites and apple does a pretty good job of categorizing sites based on their family. Friendliness and you can block sites. That aren't very family friendly but the other thing we have is this device called a circle you can get it at best buy target and Walmart you can get it on Amazon. It's circle by Disney and the circle device is very very very easy to set up You just you plug it into the wall and you follow the APP and it will connect to your WIFI system and it will override override access to your Internet connection and regulated. So what you do. is you download the APP to. I've got it on my iphone and it'll say okay here are all of the devices that connect to Wi fi in your house. You'll say okay. This is this. Is the kids xbox this is my y'all got an xbox six. This is my xbox. This is our family apple. TV This is the apple TV in the playroom. This is the the boys ipad. This is the the daughters I ipad. This is her cell phone. He's too young for one. She is too but she needs one. There's there's a story there any in this is my wife's and this is mine and then you can go through and you can say okay for for my fourteen year old. I want her to have a little more access than the eleven year old but I want her. Maximum amount of time on the Internet should be four hours and for the eleven year old maximum time four hours but he plays a whole lot of games and I only want him to be able to spend an hour on games. The rest of it needs to be doing for homework. Work stuff and it'll monitor and you get a little alert on your phone and say. Hey Goner his. He's my live near old. He's he's used up all the time and you can choose to give him a reward giving more time. I'm you can see all the websites going to. You can see what they're looking at it. And if you're a proactive parrot do that but there's something else you need to do. And and I feel very strongly about this in and I'll tell you I feel strongly about it and I don't do it. A ton and enlarge part again. Because I I do think I have a good kids who are well behaved and and I don't have to worry about it very much with him but I know some people who do they are your children and they are not your friend. Now I'm not saying be mean and I'm not saying don't be afraid to your child. Your your child should be feel comfortable coming to you with all sorts of stuff but you are the parent you are not their best friend. And it is galling galling to me frankly to see people who treat their kid as if they're their best friend they get dolled up together and all this. I strongly held old opinions on this now. I I'm not gonNA write a parenting book because my kids are out of the house yet can still screw them up but you know by the way so. There's a very very famous preacher in this country. Who every single person listening to me right now would know who this preachers? I'm talking about a very famous pastor Actually just retired and I wanted to interview him and his wife about raising their kids awhile back and they declined and they said said they completely screwed up their kids and it was. It was the the saving grace of God that that got their kids. Right not them. They screwed it all up in not only does has. The husband refused to preach or teach on Raising your children. He won't write a book about it and he won't give topics about. It won't won't speak about it. I thought that was AH deeply humbling and fascinating that that here is a highly regarded. Well respected pastor who everyone in this country would no for the most part and refuses fuses to to talk about raising kids. Because he doesn't think he did a good job deeply humbling for me and I'm sure I can screw up my kids I we can all screw up our kids but this whole I'm I'm my kid's best friend and we're going to hang out together and other. No I'm my kid's parent can't and your your kids parents. Yes I have strongly-held view on this and that don't misinterpreted as as you don't be do you can't be friends with your kids and stuff but I mean this whole idea. I know people by the way I do. I'm not making this up. I know people who they have. They've embraced this whole idea of being a friend with their kid to such a degree They've they've been drinking with their kids they. They advised their kid on on sexual relations with the girlfriend I I know one occasion. This one person I'm thinking of is smoke weed with their kid now now their kids now. At but still eighteen still in high school and it completely screwed up individual and I realized thou shalt not judge. I get it but I'm thinking no you've you completely screwed up the parenting and you're probably going to be a Granddad here very soon if you're not careful the way things are going and it's just sad to see This this descent into I've got to be my a kid's best friend and because you're the kid's best friend yet you don't want to you. Don't want to engage in adulting and parenting of the child. You you WANNA hang out it makes you feel young and just don't do that and you got to be mindful of your kids Internet time. There are so many dark holes that kids can get sucked. Look down on the Internet if you're not careful and because you're the parent and they live under your roof and by God you bought these devices for them. You should reserve for yourself. The right to get on the device and check and see what they're doing and look at their direct messages on social media on instagram on on twitter. If they're on twitter I in my house. You use the circle device. You can't get into tick tock or or snapchat if you're in my house Tick Tock because it is a Chinese spy tool and snapchat because there are way too many kids who get on snapchat they I think the stuff really does disappear and so they deleted all or they get on and they do all sorts of indecent things they shouldn't do and they think they're free to do it. It's like being anonymous on the Internet. The people who are anonymous on the Internet believe that because it can never be tracked back to them they can be their worst self. I was my were self and use my name on the Internet and it was a bad thing and I see these people who are anonymous to this is like you know your anonymity only go so far at some point. Someone's going to expose you because you keep crossing the line and it's going to ruin new because you're such a jerk on social media. It's like these people who get on on newspaper. Have you ever read a newspaper site. That has a comment section. I never read the comments. The people who comment on on media sites had clearly are people who have problems. Never read the comments. What's that the Commodore G? I explained to me all the time as a matter of fact how it works Remember the story in in in the New Testament where Jesus cast the demons. Out of the possess men now one one version of the gospels. That's one man and others to. There's there's a reason that's the case It doesn't mean the stories wrong There were two men end. They were in his living in a cemetery. They were possessed. Jesus asked the demons. The name diva says we are Legion for we are many and they say some a man. Don't don't guess his out allow us to go into this pigs so they go into the her two pigs and they run down the hill and all the pigs drowned in the water. What the Bible leaves out from that story three is that all of the demon had to go somewhere after the pigs drought and they went to social media and that that explains twitter? They've all got twitter accounts. Now I mean the the the spawn of Satan the devil. They've got social media accounts and that explains the comments sections of newspapers. That explains anonymous rolls on social media. I it's all a bunch of minions of Satan and whether or not people certainly behave that way they do and you've got to be careful with your kid doing this. You GotTa make sure your kid understates. There really is nothing online. That's going to go away forever The the snapchat stuff Y- they think it's it's a federal they think is going to go away. It doesn't someone can take a picture. Revenue ruined their life in. Your kids need to be mindful of it. I've got a friend of mine actually. Who and I didn't do this with my kids? I wasn't going to do this with my kids. But their child. They went out when their child was born. And they got all the user accounts in their child's name. They got a facebook account for the child. They got a twitter account. They've got an instagram account. They've got a snap chat account. They've got it now. A tick tock account and they do this for their kid and they don't use it they're just holding it so if the kid ever for once it they've already got an account with their with their name as opposed to having to to be Dash Daring three one five underscore or some mm such. They've got their kid's name. I'm like an maybe maybe we shouldn't be persuading our kids to go down this road. I would prefer my kids do in all honesty. I prefer if my kids were engaged in their community and a face to face way with people in their community. Either on a sports team or or something else In a church youth group or something where they're actually having meaningful interaction with other human beings. They're the rise of depression in in mental health issues with teenagers in this country has been going up as increasingly they are swapping meaningful face to face human interaction with online line interaction online interaction. There are some people who say well you know. It's just a transition period. We'll get used to it and people are overstated the dangers. No I gotTa Tell You Genesis one into why does God create eve. He says man an should not be alone. Why does God create us because he he wants a relationship with us we are relational beings were created in the image of the living? God we are relational beings. Because he is a relational. Being in a relational being requires physical contact with other people and being online even facetime ing text. Messaging and stuff is no substitute for the the tactile contact. You have when you touch someone else when you interact with them when you can smell them and see them and enjoy them and and then see the look in their eye or their interaction. It's just a completely different thing in so many of us are abandoning. That and I gotTa tell you if there's one thing I wish I did better with my own kids. It really would be to push them more to have meaningful human interaction with people beyond their mom and me to get them out of the house and engage in society. He we there helping with a nonprofit or just being in a in a church youth activity or being in a sport because the online stuff only go so far in and you you are going going to ruin your. I'M GONNA ruin my kids. We're all GONNA screw it up if we art working with our kids to develop meaningful relationships but along the way when it comes to the Internet it regulating their time and where they can go. Stop being your kids friend. There are some places on the Internet. They should not go in there. Plenty devices. The circle device the screen time APP on on the IPHONE and the others. That can help you restrict where your kids go on the Internet. They are not mini adults. Their children they don't know things you're supposed to still protect them and you should instead of abdicating abdicating your responsibility to the Internet. That's bad well okay let me give you just a little bit of a primer as we as we head out the door here. You're on the phone. I want to spend some more time on it tomorrow. Is the governor here in Georgia. Brian Kemp has begun rolling out his foster care. Overhaul bill and I I gotTa tell you he makes a good point in this He said after signing the fetal heartbeat legislation last year that if we're going to curtail tale abortion in the state of Georgia then we need to be mindful in the uptick of the number of children. Who are going to be born and we need to to take care of those kids? And he's right you know one of the major criticisms that the the pro-abortion crowd old attacks the pro-life crowd with is your only care about the baby in the womb. Once they're born you don't care about him no actually we do that. That's that's not true. It's easy contrite. To say it makes a good bumper sticker for you. I guess but you know it's also that that's another argument for the fascinating things about the abortion movement. Is that all of the arguments The pro-abortion movement or I'm sorry they want to be called the pro choice movement. But you know what I mean. The pro-abortion Movement makes they're all the repackaged arguments that that slaveholders made in the eighteen hundred two. And I'm not making that up and I'm not trying to be flippant it's true You only care about the the the unborn child. You you only care about the slave you won't care about a win their free We have to. We have to keep them on the plantation because we can take care of them They'll harm themselves society. If if they're let free I mean. This is the argument that the pro pro abortion crowd makes you only care about the child in the womb and and you don't care about the child with their born and they become criminals in in in they get locked up in their lives ruined and other people's lives ruined or or. It's it's my body. It's it's it's my property all these things echo. Well you know. The Governor Governor is is very concerned about kids in foster care. Jeff Duncan is as well. I've talked to both of them a lot about Dunkin his passionate about this issue that the longer a child is in foster care and Georgia the more likely they are to decline in grades to decline in health into increase in juvenile delinquent behavior behavior in an omen that disparagingly. Just just that's that's the term to be used Of criminal behavior in other things and and something like only eleven or twelve percent of them read at grade grade level by the time. They're senior in high school and they want to fix this. Here's a problem though. There is a growing fight in the legislature between members of the House on the Republican side. And everyone else is largely led by the speaker and there you have essentially put a halt to all the governors initiatives All the governors legislation can pass the Senate. But it's not passing through the houses major initiatives or not. There's a huge fight there in. It's only going to get more and more Robust this fight they. They've paused the legislature to try to figure out what to do with the budget. Among other things I gotta tell you you know. The governor has not yet begun to fight. Fight on this issue with David Ralston holding his agenda. Items win. The governor goes out and finds primary opponents some of these Republicans in the house among other things. That's that's when it's going to get real and I suspect there's going to be a movement afoot to make some of this happened. This fight is coming. We will spend time on this tomorrow here on the program.

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