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June 18: A gushing speech

"This is a cbc podcast from the brilliant might have mindy kaeling comes the sharp end timely comedy late night emma thompson plays legendary late night talk show host catherine newbury who's world turned upside down when she hires her first hand only female staff writer molly patel played by mindy kaeling originally intended to smooth over diversities concerns her decision brings about unexpectedly hilarious consequences as the two women who are separated by culture and generation become united by their love of biting punched by the darling of this year's sundance film festival late night also stars john lift ghana hugh dancy amy ryan in dennis o'hare and it's directed by vancouver zone michigan at joined is in theaters on june to further their final end very relevant now hello i'm carol off good evening on cruise how this is as it happens the podcast addition tonight gushing speech prime minister trudeau gives the trans mountain pipeline the green light our guest promises her vancouver area first nation will not stop fighting leading the charge for more serious charges three years senator lillian dick has pushed her stiffer penalties for those who commit violent crimes against indigenous women and the feds are finally following her advice closing arguments the head of cutbacks english school boards tells us enforcing the provinces new law banning religious garb in the workplace won't just be difficult it will be cast standard procedure or cluster buttle double historians of shocks the peer trudeau's secret file was destroyed by canada's intelligence service which claims it didn't meet the criteria keep it around jumpstart it's no guts no glory exit colorful kelly fish which can survive a trip to his swans digestive system and come out of that feathered rear end ready to end pennies envy the world gas and arizona man reveals a project he's been working on for three years a glorious recordbreaking pyramid made made up of more than a million usa pennies as it happens the tuesday edition radio guess is that might seem like an odd project but it makes a surprising amount of sense justin trudeau has given the goahead to the trans mountain pipeline project the prime minister made the announcement this afternoon at a news conference in ottawa and he said his government followed the court's order to consult we listened the community concerns and we are acting on community ideas were working wis indigenous peoples dakota develop an implement real accommodation measures to make are environment are coast in our communities safer healthier better protected then ever before we have approached this decision with an open mind from the very beginning and now it's time to take the next step today i'm announcing that are government has newly approved the trans mountain expansion project going for that was prime minister trudeau this afternoon in ottawa giving the green light to his government's trans mountain pipeline project but charlene alex doesn't think mr trudeau should be quite so confident ms alec is a spokesperson for the sleigh what choose nation sacred trust initiative we reached her in vancouver is alex we just heard prime minister trudeau say that he's listened to communities he's worked with some he's approached them the whole issue with an open mind and now it's time to take this next step what do you see him without a doubt i feel on behalf of our nation it's no surprise that they would approve their own project an were really feeling the days of a couple of years ago but also from some many generations a federal government saying that they've consulted in that they spoke with the indigenous both that they've listened in that they've tried their best to mitigate any of their concern but they're gonna go ahead and get what they want to build a pipeline you say there's been no meaningful consultation the trudeau government argues that it has engaged in meaningful consultation at says it's done it's complied with the federal court of appeal ordered it do you just mentioned a few years ago deja vu but it says that it's done everything it has to do what did that consultation look like to you it was the same as the first round of consultation with a limited time and a a pre measured questions all geared towards the government approving an not digging deep into the concerns that we had put on the table and that we had handed over we knew in hearts and we could see that the shipper a traffic and damage to the end let 'em we knew in iheart those risks existed but we got reports on documents to support that scientifically unprofessionally professionally and it feels like 'em that landed on deaf ears is there anything they could have said anything they could have done to change that will convince due to allow this pipeline go ahead that question in 'em was asked me earlier on today and i said it doesn't matter who loans that are where it's running along it doesn't change the consistency of what's in the pipeline and that we deem team as as a huge risk fritz of people trying to act out our life as indigenous peoples in are territory as a detrimental 'em thing that will damage in do irreparable damage to the ecosystem that we've tried so hard to help bring back and nourish to a healthy state so and also the shipping sorry i'm so sorry this is my villains does the if it's if it's been two men you don't want if it's carrying benjamin you don't want it yeah it at investing in a fossil fuel pipeline that come straight into the sailor sea is 'em yeah so it's not just a bit too many is any product any fossil fuel coming to that is one part that's one part 'em if i could say one thing that that would be one thing 'em there's many other points that i could make that that doesn't make this save project at there's too much risk and so again is there anything they could do is say that would convince you that this is okay 'em flow water through it i get it so really know as long as it's going to have fossil fuels and matter what it is my what's consistency state that you would oppose that yes yes it okay what you're up against as you know is that they they're saying this is in the national interest trust you have indigenous communities nations who are saying they're buying into it they're going to a set up they've already set up a corporation set are going to be part of this 'em they're interested in the business part of it they you have a l berta being tired provinces said that it's it's needs a fair price fritz between you have all that up against do how can you stand up to all that how could how could you how could you push back against the kind of tied up against how can i don't when i know the risks that i am asked bear from my family and my children in a way that i look at it the federal government did a very good job with the residential sensual schools in separating and picking a first nations against first nations it's like an economic smallpox happening and 'em to say 'em you're going to be up against another first nation is is is a good example of of the work that they got the federal government 'em who we didn't we didn't ask by brian an were standing up for our 'em inherit right tuned stored over our land and stored over are are territory and we see the risks that will go into the water into the aaron and the noise traffic for are relative the orca whale 'em if we don't voice we we have that right but more of a responsibility to have a voice heard for their sake because they can play out the actions as much as they can that mother killer whale who carried her dead baby around seventeen eighteen days that's how long the fair but no rain more than ever have to keep our voice in opposition to help from but they are they don't sound is indigenous groups who are a nuisance who are saying that they want to be part of this they wanna be stakeholders they want to see prosperity for the communities a they have a they have this this project reconciliation iron coalition different groups whether it's a field they wanna have a stake stake in this they have a stake in it are you saying that they're all co opted they're all being just a used by the trudeau government i'm saying they're doing a good job by pitching it roman saying that we we have taken care and we've taken the measures to look at their concerns and 'em having you know done their research they say they're consultation process at in the folsom way 'em way call their bluff we know we know they have not fully looked at our concerns are the risks that slower to put forward with tune extent this is 'em for me personally working in the sacred trust initiative is going to we've always said that we would you know by any measure mean stand in in in our opposition so everything's an option on the table and well take it to leadership will take it to her legal team if we have to we will be watching these alec i appreciate speaking the thank you stay tuned yes thank you surely now it is a spokesperson for the slate what choose nation sacred trust initiative she's in vancouver a now the comeback new law on religious symbols has passed it must be put in the practice and those on the front lines of public schools where some teachers will now be forbidding to where items like headscarves turbans and keep those say enforcing the rules will be messy and ugly leading up to bill twentyone passive some school boards even vow to defy the law russell coleman is the head of the quebec english school boards association fusion we reached him in montreal this you're hoping is you know at the last minute they come back government put in measures in this lodge and make sure it is enforced to designate monitors who could impose sanctions what is that means for schools when it's gonna be a huge challenge but i mean we sort of begin from the principle that this bill is just gonna be very difficult if not impossible of course you have different categories of employees he's in a public schools will be permitted or not permitted to wear religious symbols you have now a a sort of a definition of what his religious symbol which leads to a great deal of interpretation the premier for example was was asked because it covers jewelry where they're a wedding ring is considered a religious symbol an initially really couldn't answer and so definition is if a person consider something themselves to be religious symbols and that's not to be worn specter of principles and vice principals wandering home on public offering back carter around and cardinal cohen who is firing her so how does the school actually enforces i mean how do they go about if they say the school principal wants to comply will comply allow what did they what did they do well it's a you know that's a very good question it's gonna be a huge challenge our association of administrators have already said they find the bill distasteful tasteful and picture if you will a principal her vice principal a walking the halls of a school you know there will be certain employees who can wear religious symbols certain who cannot depending on the category of employment depending on when they were hired and depending on whether they consider what they're wearing could be a religious symbol it's a bit casket ask this this whole thing and it's not something that the school boards wanna get involved in you know there was no problem from my perspective and and you know it runs counter to the values that we teach in our school principals and vice principals not something they wanna do i mean they feel very strongly that the bill is the visit an unnecessary and so you know there's not gonna be a great deal of cooperation i don't thing from administrators in english public schools any enforcement of the legislation we know that there were we covered this that to english school boards adopted resolutions earlier this year that they would not apply bill twentyone that their schools that may be the reason they could that government added these amendments about enforcement in penalties so do you think the school boards will still defy the law well i i think the two scores have to look at it more closely you know these last minute amendments that were introduced during this closure debate may change the dynamic may change the position i think it's premature to tell but you know even the sanctions that seemed to be provided for in the law don't seem to be particularly enforceable i there so you know the whole thing is to use another metaphor a bit of a dog's breakfast and it's just sending the wrong signal as far as we're concerned it's you know it's already seem to be having dampening effect on how people feel about their religious precepts and and you know wanting become teachers boats projecting and open intolerant quebec so all of those things mixed in make this a very a very sad day for public education including how does it affect hiring not just the teachers but they i mean you have school monitors lunch monitors there's people who volunteer i mean what what effect does it have on disability to put people to work in schools right so you know they odd thing is the provisions of the bill apply only to teachers in the school systems the teachers vice principals and principles suppose so the new hires in those categories will be informed if they must respect the law but you know you could have school monitors you're gonna have a school daycare workers in the same building down the hall who who are authorized to wear these religious symbols and that's part of the challenge it you know we have felt carols at and i think can be demonstrated that are schools have been secular for decades now and quebec english school boards association sociation believes in the secular nature of of public school but to go from that to say but everybody who works there certain category of employees who work in schools a half to be secular an appearance is not logical and it's it's a bridge too far what in fact this have on the kids and the children who are in this environment to must feel this tension must know if their teacher comes in wearing a hit job or turban or keep a that there is this this issue what effect is it have on this kid's right so there's already been some anecdotal evidence for the parents for example the some younger students have had picked up some of the elements of this debate and said you know why is miss so and so not welcome in our school lies mr so and so if he could see where's the turban why would he not be welcome in the classroom and so children not to students they're not impervious to stimuli around them they picked up some of these issues and are reflecting back their concerns which you know are the these are wonderful teachers and wonderful people who devoted to their profession and don't wanna be put in a position where they have to decide between various precepts of their face and there are chosen profession of teaching people and what effect might have on the kids and their regard for other kids to my other their fellow people who might be wearing he jab to keep us or where turbans right go through the whole notion of what kind of society are we are we are welcoming open intolerance aside which i believe quebec is by the way so i think this legislation generally is a bit antithetical to that decision of an open tolerant and inclusive quebec society and so it's bound have some effect you know the government says it won't it shouldn't but we're already seeing for example a students in various faculties of education going you know if you force me they make this choice i will not become a teacher in quebec canada at a time when there's a teacher shortage and we need to recoup professionals professionals we need teachers and we need teachers from a variety of cultural and religious background because we believe that enriches the classroom experience and then richest quebec you know this bill is sending the wrong signal in that regard we will we will be following this guy is open thank you pleasure talking to you russell coleman is the head of the comeback english school boards association he's in montreal a there are the mighty pyramids of giza which into the royalty of ancient egypt there's the pyramid of the sun intel to your con mexico now there's another great structure a new testament to the limits of human achievement the penny pyramid and corey nielsen's garage the past three years mr nielsen has been working to beat the guinness world record for largest coin pyramid it you know believes he goes piled is pennies high enough to meet that lofty goal we reached corey nielsen in phoenix arizona has it fails and has completed the largest pyramid in the world made entirely of coins it's say relief for sure hard to believe that finished but a very good feeling okay so that's leads us to the logical question why did you build any gigantic penny pyramid because i originally had opened up my big mouth and commit to a project without knowing all the details of the work that would be involved in my office and home i had a little pyramid of about forty one thousand pennies had taken pictures shares shown some colleagues at work and they had question now all set the world record i said you know i don't know but if it isn't i'll i'll make sure it is and then i find out just how big the world rickard really was but i had already committed to it so i start building it and i enjoy doing it is a good stress reliever wet wet could you have to have to break in order to have any hearing well originally i was under they assumption that the world rocket was only six hundred and twenty six thousand seven hundred eighty pennies from a guy named tom happy out of denver colorado but i assume learned there after the actual world record was built in lithuania that was a million nine hundred ninety three pennies how many pennies near pyramid i have one million thirty thousand three hundred and fifteen did you count it did i keep a spreadsheet nfl and so i know exactly to the petty where i'm at how many hours a week where you in your garage working on this i would say realistically probably twenty twenty hours what did you think of this a she supportive above it she a stays out of the way and just looks at it every once in a while tells me is bigger and i keep building on it but she's she's on board where did you get the penny from my credit union here in town had approximately thirty thousand page donated over the three years but he other one million i bought it on my own okay so you have a lot invested in these chinese a little bit you know it's a it's not gonna make me a break me but certainly was this is a official through the guinness book of world records then i'll i'll go ahead and get the pyramid turned into a cash in a by credit is already volunteered to sign over there armored cars and helped me without having did you ever have any concerns 'cause it's not glued down at all right there just stacked did you know there's a concern is always in the back of your head hoping that there's never any earthquakes or tremors or some freak accident but no because the the perimeter so so heavy i mean there's just rock solid it's not gonna move you know so what have you chip kelly other knocked it over some dog died in there and jumped on it i mean there is like that's what i was thinking yeah you know in in walking around it so proud of myself in the beginning i had never dropped a penny i'd never kicked it everything pyramid is in a span of three weeks i managed to bump into a three of the corners knock some tiny's help but i just put him back in the urban never in jeopardy or anything like that now we they're finishing product when you eat we'll direct people to be able to see the video about this but at the finished product is quite interesting 'cause you have this kind of diamond diamond pattern and the penny so there's two different tones in it how did you manage to do that well the shiny pennies that you see are brand new pennies right from the amount they they're reinventing the circulation and the darker patterns that you see are pennies it had been in circulation but are dirtier or more warn the normal penny so as out of sorting through the pennies on the plaza darker ones knowing that i would need them from my outside pattern but you could imagine you're spending that much time building permit you have a lot of thoughts going through had you're doing a lot of thinking so i had a lot of patterns kind of flashing through my head and i decided to go with this one and thankfully it worked out justice i had envisioned it would vision was okay i'm thinking you got teased a lot of people stop by your garage and say penny slots corey you know dolan in my neighborhood or this area knows about it it's been kept a secret refer you know because of the value now my coworkers and colleagues they're completely supportive you know they talk about it all the time you know there'll be a couple of pennies on the keyboard here and there so i was never achieved or harassed or anything like that but it wouldn't have mattered you know if you're in canada you couldn't do this because we don't have pennies anymore you'd have to do now the quarters diagnosing by understanding and in fact a i pulled out a lot of canadian pennies in building the paramedics i just want to use you as pennies you you wouldn't allow any canadian pennies pyramid well what's the guinness book world rutgers part of their stipulation are you you have to use the same currency they can't be mixed currency it can't be mixed coins it has to be all the same so what's next you know i am entertaining an idea in will be negotiation truth one of the local casinos here but i would like very much to build a pyramid out of quarters a little over a million dollars worth of course a little over four point one million quarters orders but i like to do it in a public forum you know under heavy security for the public and see it being constructed daily wow but don't do that new garage okay no no of course not too much money all right well good luck with the pyramids there corey well thank you very much for the time you get me and it's certainly a pleasure speaking with you all right take it is well cora nielsen believes he now holds the world record for largest just coin pyramid we reached him in phoenix arizona as mentioned it to see a time lapse video mr nielsen's penny pyramid check out our website cbc dot c h slash hey i h for years independent senator lillian dick has been pushing for harsher sentences and says for those who attack indigenous women now in the wake of the report into the missing and murdered the government is finally acting yesterday justice minister david lumet he said ottawa will adopt changes requiring judges to consider stiffer penalties for violent crimes against indigenous women summer worried about the fairness of that decision senator dick is welcoming in fact she proposed amendments we reached her in ottawa senator dick why should those who commit acts of violence against indigenous this women why should they be treated differently by the courts well the way it is now the families have told us and we actually have some data that demonstrate when it's a female aboriginal victim at least for homicide that the charges are downgraded more options so it's more off the bat slaughter as opposed to second degree murder first degree murder and also in at the female aboriginal victim the time that the perpetrator gets until until they get girls sexually shorter so there's there's definitely some looks like some kind of systemic discrimination within the justice system so by drawing attention to it in making aboriginal female identity essentially essentially aggravating factor that it ensures that they aboriginal female victim is given a consideration treated more fairly you you have been trying to get this into law for some years now you you push for this back in twenty fifteen why why wasn't resisted why was it rejected then you just in fact it was just earlier this year that was defeated well with defeated in april and i i think that the main obstacle has been was up until the report came out and national inquiry was that of course people are used to be section seven eighteen to we of the criminal code which is called the glad to provisions wherein were all offenders especially aboriginal fenders the court tries to find a way to diverge thee pander to treatment other than in prison but you know addiction treatment or some other way because we all know that unfortunately are prisons are full of aboriginal original vendors in this way to try to produce the the numbers and the time that aboriginal will fender spend in prison but that provision has worked against all aboriginal victims essentially because it's only for the perpetrator so so that wesley optical but the testimony from chief commissioner bowler that the legal unconstitutional affairs committee that was very clear that that provision the god who prevention act to be outlets in order to get fair treatment for indigenous female victims as well as for gender diversity people but if you're already said it suggested i mean i mean domestic violence against indigenous women is quite often the perpetrators are indigenous men who are already dramatically drastically overrepresented in the prison yesterday so it's just not enough inevitably if there are stiffer sentences for this violence against women and longest sentence is just not not just mean there'll be more indigenous men in prison well it could be but the judge could also i mean there's a period of factors that have to be taken into account but on the other hand why should it be shorter sentence with his with his aboriginal female victim how could it possibly simply be fair to an aboriginal female victim when she assaulted by an aboriginal mail and he'd get some kind of special consideration but she doesn't isn't quite often though that they these circumstances the judge the justice system considers is that they would ever be offender has gone through that perhaps i'm some kind of addiction assistance some sort of restorative justice yeah thing more like 'em dig the original view of justice is more more healing a more appropriate that's what it's supposed to do but unfortunately i don't think that that's actually the case that although the glider provisions were put into law see these alternative programming has not been put into place to allow that diversions into addiction treatment or into a you know sort of treatments for sex offenders and that kind of thing soviet so the facility programs and that should be they're not necessarily their aunt for victims of sexual abuse is probably especially when it's a an intimate partner you also need to protect the safety of those women so one of the best ways to protect them is to take that he the user away and put him in prison otherwise the woman could still be victimized we should also note that when it comes to a murder we don't know about sexual assault when it comes to the murder of female we did you meet male victim is a pick something like a third of the people who murdered indigenous females are not indigenous it's about two thirds of digits and what they're not a case sorry are those saying the other non indigenous offenders are they getting the same a reduced sentences the same treatment as they as they aboriginal sanders club in the upper right corner to you see the perpetrators in in total in fact we did try to separate us would according to non indigenous in a ditch and his perpetrators the numbers are small but in the case where it was in did stick to be a years to pre roll were boat half what they were winning was a non indigenous just so they're so complex gender race interaction but depending on the gender and race of both the victim apple perpetrator if i understand you're saying it's possible it's not just that they that taking the justice system takes into consideration indigenous a principles in order to have a lighter sentence might also be there is this built in bias against the indigenous victims yes and you know it's up one of the things that a one it's it's it's really a indigenous bar association i think with catherine hensel a she put on the record that indigenous women unlike like any other woman in canada or in a unique position because a call it ization because of indian residential schools if there is unfortunately a very negative stereotypes about indigenous you know in unfortunately thinks the commode halloween a and this last halloween there were it'd be just a digit this women who were like pocahontas but with the bullet through her forehead happening there were seen as disposable dispensable defensible sexually available it if you sexually assault and murder them then nobody cares senator dick i i appreciate speaking this you thank you you're most welcome have a good day you to william dick isn't independent the senator from scratch one she wasn't on a on who he was known as the grandfather of canadian craft beer this week friends and family of john mitchell are raising a glass and saying farewell to the bruins pioneer mr mitchell died this this past sunday at the age of eighty nine he was born in singapore and raised in england before coming to canada when he was twenty four his love of british ails spurting diko found horseshoe bay brewing in vancouver in nineteen eighty two it's widely regarded as canada's first first microbrewery and it was their end at the troll their public cross the street the mr mitchell in his partners pioneer their methods and debuted their bay ale in the years since mr mitchell continued advocated for the craft beer industry and his fellow brewers from nineteen eighty two here is john mitchell giving the cbc a tour of the brewery and the brewing process what you're seeing here is just a small very everything is in this room was manufactured hindi kennedy except for tanks we did bring from and britain but this is a bouquet although it's lined with world stainless steel as installation that only is a glorified a source from the fire underneath it weaken brew two hundred gallon bashes inherited time and we bring the world's took to be a hundred and sixty degrees in here that means somebody across to the smashed done an one we've got about a hundred and seventy guns in here we move the grinder in position mill and we grind a multiday bali and crystallized bonnie and so it's pure malted bali in here it stays in the mashed on an hour and a half until only a hot water is extracted all the wars in the syrups and sugars from the grain within pump it back to the cat home where we bring it to the boil at a hawks boil it until we get what we call a good break and that is the protein is is has been flag elated or liam a foil is have been extracted from the hops it's pump fence through a heat exchanger which drops the temperature from about two twelve boiling point down to about seventy degrees it's a party of nick unit this comes from new zealand and it's brought them new zealand famas used folks who have no found him it's being pumped there as you see into they say they're still fermenters over here where remains ends in fermentation five days when fermentation ceases it's pumped into this room over here where they fans of running and put into these conditioning tanks but some other team to settle out to clarify for one week and then we pump it from there into the cakes we kick up on the on the floor where we add sugar and a little more guillotine the terrified of the sugar stimulates the secondary fermentation to generate the seventy nashville c o two from there it's remains in the cake for a week and then from there it goes to the nsf from nineteen eighty two that's craft beer pioneer john mitchell speaking to the bbc's greg middleton mr mitchell died this past sunday he was eighty nine man oh man and when a when it comes to pierre trudeau it turns out will never know what we didn't know recently the canadian press requested the secret cold war dossier prepared by domestic intelligence agents on the former prime minister to their surprise the canadian security intelligence service replied that they didn't have it in fact you'd have been destroyed by the agency back in nineteen eighty nine johnny english is a historian who wrote in authorized biography of pure trudeau we reached him in toronto john what did you think when you learn that canada's spy agency destroyed the secret sound here to do where lebron's astonished like couldn't believe it happened but obviously a dead and a the reasons they gave her the destruction where be frank rather unconvincing did you know there was such a file oh yes yes it would have been it would've been files on trudeau very obviously because he was prime minister in their security considerations but before he was prime minister he was he was someone not the security officials would have looked at and we knew that there isn't extensive f b i file on trudeau started when he first visit the soviet union the nineteen fifty two it was just very likely that would have been a rather fat file on brutal i mean this would be a cold war era that report right so what that would be in there what would be well because now some of the politicians quite would seem quite silly and surprising so what do you think would would have been a concern at the time well i think a interesting f be i started in nineteen fifty one in puppy there's some earlier material on trudeau because of his involvement against the second world war clearly that was something that's officials would have watched but in nineteen fifty one he planned a trip to the soviet union and hoover starting to watch him then in the canadians would have done the same thing and then he went to moscow met are excellent embassador there robert ford and argued for a middle way between communism and capitalism better the wife of one of the american embassy officials there and she said i thought you were communist and he said yes i am but i'm also a roman catholic and then he taught her remarks that were payrolls all the soviet union but she reported it to the american embassy hurt forward or devoted the next day had of course of his trudeau being this outrageous best but i am absolutely certain that we know the hoover took it seriously i'm equally certain in the canadian officials the troops but he also wasn't just the soviet union in moscow i mean he had he had in quite a romantic view of china uncritical of nazi tone he of course cuba at fidel castro his friends if you're a red above his head and he he did to her china with chucky bear famously but also the most madeleine prompt the great left wing organizers in quebec who stopped by rcmp to be a marxist which practically she was and he associated with people on the left and he would have been identified by certain factors what they heard saint pete certainly is sympathizer risk pools those views and as you said he took his famous boat trip to cuba and that whatever heroes suspicion to fuck i guess is the fire was very but now you know a lot of this you know you've you've researched it you're you're volumes on to delaware are fascinating so you have this information anyways what was there anything in how do you think that you wouldn't have known i think there probably was curl i can't imagine what it would have been i discovered in his own papers but he went to a psychiatrist in paris in nineteen forty seven very i'm gonna psychiatrist to and he kept the record's of the consultation and that was a great importance and understanding his personality pierre trudeau contains multitude and my guess is something would have been there that would have been of interest but i can't put myself in the mind of the person who's the person who destroyed doesn't i talked to senior arc of us and they said normally in a situation like this is a national arc of us would have been consulted after all pierre trudeau but not insignificant significant triggering traveling look maybe more but now she says it destroyed defile back in nineteen eighty nine because they fell short of a legal threshold for retention at at some level is not is not encouraging bit of news that they they they wouldn't keep something that they they felt that was a to this invasion of privacy should never should not be retained mean isn't that a good thing perhaps well it'll make their decision i looked up the national archives i consulted with senior out of his form archivist and they disagree with that point of view and the national archives acts makes it clear the material involving a significant personality should be retrained it could only be destroyed with your permission from the national park of florida clearly was not come forward because she says sin rcmp where austin at loggerheads and that they 'em ceases didn't didn't look kindly how they rcmp security services when do you think they just decided well it was a kind of criticism of how they are cynthia done they work i think you may have something they're one of the young historians have commented a stephen f c of carlson and said he looked through truer three of the files on political leaders and what it says about the people who were doing the investigating it's far more damaging than what he said about the individual and i think that may be the case here that the individuals vigils who made the decision to the violence on isn't this embarrassing i have a great suspicion stuff about homosexuality which of course with illegal until pierre trudeau came along and rumors of homosexuality and trudeau were were common common in the nineteen sixty eight campaign in the newspaper in quebec and floated ryan openly stated he was not a homosexual quite extra so my guess is that type of thing did appear in the filing they did mention privacy that might have been something in the minds of individual this is this is private details about a truth on and maybe one could imagine they individuals let's destroy this stuff about women he dated who might they've been a security risk and maybe that's why they destroyed the because of that but still it's unfortunate but it's a very unfortunate decision the spy agency does not belong in the bedrooms in the nation i guess that's well put john thank you thank you we reached john english in toronto we requested comment from ceases any agency responded in part quote during the review of the file in nineteen eighty eight ceases assess whether the retention tension of the record's in question was required under the seizes act it was interviewed against the criteria set by the public archives of canada when it was then determined to not meet the criteria ceases permanently destroyed the file in nineteen eighty nine unquote and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then the the the the the the banking and then and then and then you're not the not the not the not the not the the on the on the the annual on the mound in in in in in in london and it has been said the journey is more important than the destination that is supposed to encourage us to persist and overcome obstacles and that's all fine and dandy unless you're a kelly fish egg then that journey may include being eaten by a swan traveling through what's the justice system and if you're lucky reemerging in one hoop where you may one day hatch and thrive that's according to an international team of researchers who just published a study in the journal ecology among them is andy green professor with the spanish council for science we reached him in oxford england professor green i guess is finding the best in a bad situation and then there is searching shoe swan poop for fish embryos so what what motivated this study well a i've been interested for a long time in understanding what kind of organisms that she could move around inside waterfowl especially things like fish that don't have the ability to jump between lakes on the road but also plug some florida and bruce bruce willis shrimp situation we know the seeds from plants can move around to all kinds of animals and birds right so that they they eat the seeds of other plant and then they knew seeds ended up growing 'em someplace else because of the poop so what made you think that she might be for animals is well well 'cause i've been working in this area for a long time and it's the most frequent question i've had over the years is whether or not fishkill move around the five boroughs and then it just turned out the we did he find some eggs in some frozen poop and then that really gave us the evidence of the might be something going on you just happen to be looking to that pooper stupidly acsi looking for fishing be as well when we collect poop we generally take a look to see what all kinds of things we could find in that so i thought time we're really looking to see what kind of puns could a come through and then we're selection is expertly whether you're looking at these these eggs is fish embryos were eaten by the swans and they went to the whole digestive tract went out to the poop i mean why did they get adjusted well because digestion a it's not a perfect pro says so far any organism including humans it's more efficient to eat regular intervals and digest food postrally ltd volume for how much food combi inside in tough teams right and the longer it's in the the less efficient the digestion become so that she works out to be better to get the food going through quite quickly digest all easy stuff in the heart of stuff that comes so there's a run and it is your job to find out what comes out the other end yeah basically on from time to time some somebody's gonna get through most of them get digested i mean we when the experiment we used six hundred x is only five others have before she she came alive okay so five canine live how many maxi hatched just walk a it is a bit of a mazing living but we had a phone infection in the lab and this particular kind of fish to take a long time to develop so if if they were a fish the only took a few days to have some probably all five of the post even looking at killing fish right that's right but known fern ability to survive in the mode with upon dries out so the maybe pops more resistant to digestion and examples of fish lady and so in this case you found that was too but then do you think other fish ambience fish eggs could actually survived that journey a i think it's certainly worth looking into the on the we do hope to them or experiments with a face just to try and find out how widespread this process is why does it matter well because you know biodiversity is under threat on what the climate crisis is becoming increasingly important the species to move quickly from one place to another especially sort of towards the polls you know in the north north woods movement in they open hemisphere of temperatures increase so most of these organisms won't be able to move fast enough let's take a look at how from the boat so we really need to know what kind of over those kind of move with the coach is it also tell you how sometimes fish could end up in another place where i it is no logical stream them to have moved to absolutely so a lot of people who work with fisher often experience defining in places where they can't explain how the got them without reason the husband a lot of speculation after decades about whether or not eggs come get stuck on the outside of the it's would oppose people following the because she will in southern but again i guess they the problem is is sometimes invasive species very strong species like killing fish and i guess carpet i'm also thinking vantage of this of carriage system wow that's something we have to look at a fisher is is possible the invasive species can also spread in this way but again that's another reason for doing the research right so we really try to understand stunned and predict how alien species spread what do you want to find out next what's the next new research well right now we're looking at all kinds of of of plans for example what's interesting evening in in canada for example is the question you know how many how many of the plants a move inside but it's because most of the textbooks only talk about the problem so she had a berry you know a fresh fruit and what we're finding is the water following a massively important dispense with a whole range of punts but we need to really identify which ones yeah so we need to build up a list so we're working very hard with that and as you said we're also going to start to look fish a very possibly play a look at a cop themselves to see whether or not they can dispose a through the boats well she gave us a whole new appreciation is one poop yeah it doesn't smell bad that's nowhere near as bad as the poop green thank you thank you my pleasure andy green is a visiting professor with the spanish council science we reached him in oxford england you've been listening to be as it happens podcast our show can be heard monday to friday on cbc radio one sirius xm following the world at six you can also listen to the whole show on the web just go to cbc dot c h slash h and follow the links to our online archive

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SpaceX moves Starhopper back to launch pad -Launching again this month

SPACE NEWS POD

06:46 min | 1 year ago

SpaceX moves Starhopper back to launch pad -Launching again this month

"If you're listening to this you obviously like podcast and you probably like music to on spotify. You can listen to all of that and what place for free. You don't need a premium account. spotify has a huge huge catalog of podcasts on every topic including the one. You're listening to right now. Uh spotify you can follow your favorite podcast so you never miss an episode download episodes to listen to offline flying wherever you are easily share what you're listening to with your friends via spotify integrations with social media platforms like instagram so just search for space news pot on the spotify APP or Browse podcasts in Your Library Tab and follow me so you never miss an episode of the Space News Pod spotify is the world's leading music streaming dreaming service and now it can be your Go-to for podcasts too <music> hello and welcome back to the Space News pod daily podcast about space science and tech. I'm your host will weldon and on this episode star. Hopper is back what was back on the launch. Pad and SPACEX actually put a two hundred meter hop on its calendar so just recently only star hopper did a small hop about twenty to thirty meters and it went off without a hitch the first day though wasn't that good the first day there was kind of a lot of fire that shouldn't have been there the two different launches and on the first day there was a lot. A lot of fire a lot of the fire came out of the top of the hopper when fire was to come out of the bottom out of the rockets in things go up in the air there but it didn't stay there on the pad with fire billowing out of the top of it D- Number Two star are hopper. They waited till the very last that they could do it and the launched our hopper twenty to thirty meters into the air it ascended and then did a maneuver where it went to the left and right if you're watching on your video and then it successfully hovered landed down on the pet now. SPACEX is going to be launching star Hopper two hundred meters in the air. This is GonNa be great because the last hopper launch you couldn't see anything there was a lot of smoke. It was just a tippy top of the smoke that was caused by the engines so according to road closures in the area the SPACEX does these launches. It'll be seventeen eighteen days after its first hop in it's been courted off August twelfth through the fourteenth so they got to wish days to do these launches. They have a backup window so to speak so they have to in a possible preflight static fire opportunities so they can do a static fire on the pad. Head make sure everything works fine and then you know they go through all the tests they make sure everything's good and then after that they can do their two two hundred meter hop a lot of coverage of this this recently and spacex his put a bunch of information on their twitter account at at spacex and also everyday astronaut has a lot of information on his twitter and youtube account so I if I were you. I'd go check that out. It's really cool so <hes> so in the next couple of weeks. We're going to be seeing star. Hopper hopper is the precursor to starship starship starship is spacex is gigantic gigantic rocket that will be taking human beings and stuff. I like to say stuff because you never know exactly. What's let's go in there yet. Rovers scientific experiments etc people to the moon and it's also going to take a billionaire around the moon soon and back to Earth now. It's not GonNa stop at the Moon though star hopper which will become starship while it can <music> get to Mars to so this is the very first step these tests. These two hundred meter tests these twenty to thirty meter tests. These are all the first step to making starship in actual thing into actually fly people from the surface of the Earth to the moon again which <unk> Yvan Musk said in a couple of years he wants to send a SPACEX space x ship to the moon because he's not going to wait around for NASA to do. NASA said sure do it will support you one hundred percent if you could do it will be there for you buddy so starship. It's on its way star. Hopper upper on the twenty eighth was wrapped up the modifications to a rented lift vehicle vehicle the move star hopper back to its launch facilities so the twentieth of July a couple of days ago that will happen August August twelfth through fourteenth though watch out because this thing is going to be launching two hundred feet in the air. It's going to be an amazing spectacle and you'll be able to witness history with the rest of us so I want to say. Thank you to my sponsor audible. You can click on the link in the description. Check that out you get two free audio books and the really great. I listen to them before I go to bed. I learned things before I go to bed. It's a really great way to do that without getting too into it and calming yourself down tonight which I need. I host my podcast on Anchor F._M.. Anchors the easiest way to make a podcast an anchor gives you all the tools that you need in one place for free which you can use from your phone or from your computer now these creation tools allow you to record edit your podcast so it sounds amazing in they'll distribute the podcast for or you so it can be heard anywhere. spotify apple podcasts. Google podcasts in many more in you can easily make money from your podcast with no minimum minimum listenership so download the anchor or go to anchor dot F._m.. 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RFT 425: Spurned!

Ready For Takeoff - Turn Your Aviation Passion Into A Career

11:41 min | 8 months ago

RFT 425: Spurned!

"This is the ready for take-off podcast episode four twenty-five. My name is George Nali and today I'm going to talk about. Being spurned but first, let me tell you about our sponsor, the Hanff novel series. If you like aviation combat action inspired by real events in Vietnam I know you're really going to enjoy the ham ham-fisted novel series and you can get the first audio book in this series totally free go to free ham fist dot com, and you'll see how you can get that book for free when you sign up for an account with audible. But right now fasten your seat belts and get ready for takeoff. In ready for take-off podcast episode for twenty-three. It. Probably, sounded like every time I go to an interview I'm highly successful because I talked about how how friends Had helped me get interviews jobs and I got hired. So I need to set the record straight because I am not that impressive an interview and I've had a lot of times when I was not successful so I'd like to share those with you. When I was a standards captain. Airlines on the Boeing seven twenty seven I, worked for the guy who is in charge of that program called the fleet manager, the fleet captain. And he was going to go back to flying the line. So his position was going to be vacant and I interviewed for the job. So I went I met with with his boss and with someone from the HR Department I wore my best interview suit. Were were shirt with cufflinks. Dressed to the nines and I thought I had a very successful interview. But, you know what? I didn't get the job and and I ended up. Still being a standard captaining working for the guy who did get the job but now this gets better. Oh six months. Later, they created two new positions working for that fleet captain called Assistant, Flea countenance and I applied for that job, and of course, you know each of these higher positions who have more pay to I applied for one of those two positions interviewed with the new fleet captain and with someone from the HR department and. Again I was rejected. So two guys to other standards captains got the job but I didn't. So, I was starting to see a trend here. Shortly before I retired from United I was on a flight to Japan. I was on a layover at Narita airport at the hotel. And I went down to breakfast and I recognized. Another united pilots sitting at a table with two to round ice to American guys and I went over and they called me over to the table and I went over and and met these two guys and they were pilot for a major car company a Japanese company they were based in the United States and flew of Gulfstream five. In fact, they showed me a picture of the cockpit. It was as good as or better than the triple seven I was flying and they were telling me about their lifestyle basically. They would be living near the base in California where they operated from and every time they had to fly, they will get paid a thousand dollars a day from and remember this is almost twenty years ago they were being paid a thousand dollars a day to go to work and that work could be. Commuting to a flight like for example, they had flown an passengers on my flight, the night before or flying trip they were having breakfast in Rita, and then they were going to catch a flight to Osaka and fly one of the company executives to Rome. Then they were going to lay over and dead head back on another airline while some of their other company pilots were already in Rome getting ready to fly that company executive back to Asaka. So He's a neat deal they worked about seventeen eighteen days a month. And every day they're at work they get a thousand dollars plus they get expenses that sound like a really neat job. I asked what the age limit is. They said there's no age limit. And they gave me the website where you could look to see if there were any job openings. So I was getting close to retirement i. Started looking at that website fairly frequently, and one day I saw a job opening at that company where it could have been my photograph in that job description. There were looking for someone who is a highly qualified pilot who also had experience as a safety officer. Now in my time at the air force especially, my last time at the Air Force I was this grinder and safety offshore. I had been trained as a safety officer and this seemed like a really good fit. So I. Worked on. A resume I emailed an and. The very next day. I got a phone call from the human from the HR department at this particular operation saying they wanted me to come in for an interview the next day. Well I was supposed to go out on a on a flight to China The next night so I I went out to California. Early in the morning, got a Rented a car and drove to their flight operations department, and I was wearing an interview suit and I went in and had an interview, and then after the interview I went to. Chicago took another flight to Chicago where I picked up my trip and flew to China. Well at that interview I met with the chief pilot and a guy from the HR department it was a beautiful facility they had and they were telling me about. What their mission is like, and they told me that they really didn't have a safety someone in charge of the safety department and they needed to develop a safety program and they wanted somebody who can do that and I told them how I could do that. I also told him that I had extensive experience. Carrying people around in the executive jet. Arena since that's what I was doing when I was at your CODA carry generals and congressman around all over the Pacific. They seem very impressed after the interview the chief pilot took me around to show me around the facility. He said now here, here's our dispatch section your your desk will be over here. And Let, me introduce you to the lady in charge of the flight attendants was Japanese lady. I went over and I chatted with her in Japanese she was impressed. He was impressed. He showed me around the rest of the facility introduced me to some the schedulers. I felt like I already had the job. He said you're a finalist. There are only three people that that have applied so far, and you're one of the finalists I'll let you know within a week or two what decision is. I went home and I started. Looking for places to rent in California because I knew I had the job and my wife said you know you need to look for other jobs now if you're getting ready to retire I said no, I need to look for an apartment in the city in California so Time went by and I didn't hear anything about three or four weeks went by and I didn't hear anything. So I finally called the HR department I said. Captain said that he notifying me about this job opening for the safety officer and that safety off show was going to be flying also And The lady the HR Department said Oh I'm sorry he didn't tell you. We already selected someone. I said well, I guess it wasn't me then so I got turned down did not do well at that interview either. Well a couple years ago I was still looking for work. I was working at Metro as an instructor, but I was looking for something more. Something in addition to teaching. So I had lunch with another battalion pilot who was working for a a major aerospace company in Denver, and he said that they were looking for people. So I sent him my resume and he said he'd hand carried in and nothing nothing ever happened with that. And then Two years ago I applied for a management position United Airlines and they contacted me told me I was a finalist and they would like me to answer these several interview questions. Via via video so they said, use your iphone and take take a video of yourself answering these questions. So I put on put on a suit at least I put on shoot shirt and jacket I, was in my shorts but nobody could tell and I answered the interview questions I thought I did a bang-up job. And I didn't get the job. And then. For the past. Fifteen years I have been applying for jobs at the United States, Air Force, Academy and just Oh, I'll say four months ago. There was an opening that was perfect for me they were looking for. A retired officer someone with air. Force flying experience who would be a simulator instructor now I remember when I was a kid at at the Air Force Academy I was really motivated. By seeing these world. War Two. Veterans who are instructors who could be mentors and set an example for for me as a kid at. And I thought as a Vietnam vet especially, a highly decorated Vietnam vet. I would really be very competitive for that role and it would probably be good to have someone like myself at the academy instructing kits in flying in the simulator and also it the job also. Entailed classroom instruction. So, I applied for the job and I received an email, the chat I am competitive for the job and I'll he'll? Hear more information shortly. So I was waiting for an interview invitation and I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to be interviewed by. Video or I'm going to have to take special precautions you can go in person because of Covid of for an interview and. Then, I got an email. That's Ed starry. You're a not selected so I didn't even get an interview. So those things happen and. So I didn't want WanNa paint a picture as though I only interviewed and Got Hired Everybody is going to get rejection at some point or other, and those of you who are going to be in the job market shortly or who are in the job market now need to be aware of that rejection is. Part and parcel of what goes with this with with looking for work. So. That's my story and I just wanted to share it. Thanks again for listening subscribe now to the ready for take-off podcast on itunes or stitcher radio and please rate US poster review on the item store for show notes, resources and more head over to ready for takeoff podcasts dot. com.

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Dart Against Humanity Ep. 58: The Sequence Of Events

Dart Against Humanity

49:54 min | 1 year ago

Dart Against Humanity Ep. 58: The Sequence Of Events

"What does it start adams this fifty dollars against humanity. Today's episode is a topic near to my heart. As many of you know i don't really sleep. My brain is constantly working. It never shuts off. There's no off switch so you're probably wondering what type of things keep dart adams up at night. What are the type of things he ponders well. I gave everybody some insight into what one of those things are a couple of nights ago on twitter i do things is like i go through classic albums and then a separate them into two categories ones that are almost i perfectly or perfectly sequenced and then there's the second category ones that are sequenced in a way way where you could re sequence the album and make it either as good or possibly better which makes my head spin because if the album could be sequenced better how how come nobody involved with the album the creation process thought to do it themselves perfect example <hes> <hes> might to leading case studies were both released in early nineteen eighty five. I believe one album was released. February february fifteen thousand eighty five and the next one was at least a february twenty fifth nineteen eighty five and there are two of the biggest albums of the eighties of the first album being phil collins no jacket required for collins of genesis and the second album being tears for fears song from the big chair these song stick out in my memory for several reasons one they were toward the biggest albums of the eighties <hes> to these songs both head these albums. Both had songs did were big on black radio <hes> they also were. We're big on video channels now mind you. We didn't get m._t._v. almost nobody had cable but they were video shows that came on regular tv between nineteen eighty four eighty five and these albums contained many of those videos but another reason why i picked these two albums because this'll iconic and he's got my memory is because they both have the same flaw. It's not fatal but it's a big flaw and my eyes. They lead off off with the wrong song now typically. When you put album you wanna lead with a song that you know grabs people's attention. Some people will call this a banger that didn't necessarily exist in one thousand nine hundred five but the ideas still there so what does collins do he leaves office album with sutil which might arguably arguably be la- jam from this record so you probably think what's the big deal leadoff studios a studio desktop perfect song with no it isn't because the second mini album the follow it is only you and i know which doesn't make any fucking sense then it goes a long way to go then i don't wanna know and then ends with no one more night you take an on ride he abro. This is the first side you you you you fucking it up. You don't do this to us. I maintain that there's a better way to sequence this algal. Do not start off a studio. If anything you wanna have only you were nine. Oh and i don't wanna know back to back. One more night should be preceded by long long way to go. You can stick souto in between those so you can have only you and i know long way to go pseudo then. I don't want then then on long way to go then one more night. So you have the two slower songs at the end of side a and then you can rearrange side be how you want. That's how that should work now. When we look at songs from the big chair they make the same mistake where they sleet off with the banger shout. No no no no no no shout should not be the first one on this album now when you think about everybody wants to rule the world leading into mothers talk and then an opening. I believe the b. side opening with. I believe you're like so album. Close with listen which kind of makes sense but you could close the album mothers talk to so i'm saying is there eight songs on his album but you can actually re sequences album in several ways and it still be as good in album if not better. It's insane usually album disa- classic. There's usually really no space for mistakes if you could call them that you have to pretty much execute everything perfectly so in contrast. This with two albums always talk about almost perfect in terms of sequencing. That's janet jackson's control and anita baker's rapture. These albums are so perfectly sequenced. I did if you change the order of the songs on side airside b. It's a different album and you'd kind of fuck up the flow you you'd make somebody <hes> suspend belief that you shouldn't do it. It's a it's an insane thought. When you look at janet jackson's control rate the album has nine songs on it now of these nine songs. I believe almost all of them were singles. I think seven danda being seven singles six and in north america bleed there was another one internationally so that's bananas so we're looking at control nasty would have you done for me lately and you can be mine okay. What do you change on side. Do you move nasty. You know leading off the album control and this case make sense. The lead single is is what have you done for me lately. You put that it you slot that at three. Why does that work because you have. You can be mine after it now. The pleasure principle leads into when i think of you back to back. This is perfect. Now you have a song like he doesn't even know alive right. Where do you slot that well. If you have a son my let's wait awhile. You stick eight a new slot. He doesn't know he isn't even know him. Alive right before it and you end the album perfectly with funny how time flies i've said this a million times james. There's a reason it's not a coincidence. It's not by accident. There's a reason why so many people who just got adequate moment and started making beats flip janet jackson's scrawny how time flies almost is an exercise and i believe that is psychological. I believe this embedded in your brain. The reason why you do it is because the very last song you hear on siberia as funny how time flies and that's the perfect way to close out this album and people spent a lotta time listening to the song and falling deep into it and pondering wondering it thus it always comes up a desa song. I should flip everything about that. Song song sticks out in your memory in this album is sequenced perfectly. I wouldn't change change a damn thing about this record. Okay i would not now. Let's look at anita baker's rapture. Anita baker did something that boggles my mind to this day between nine hundred eighty six and nineteen eighty gate. Anita baker went sixteen for sixteen so janet jackson releases control in february. If you were reunites eighty-six anita baker's rapture is released right after it not the week after but like right after <hes> we look at her album it opens up with sweet love which was also i believe the the first single you bring me joy follows it caught up in the rapture been so long close aside cybio pez with mystery no one in the world same ole love and then the last song is watch your step. I wouldn't sequence side a or b differently given those eight songs. That's how you sequence the album one of the best albums of the eighty s janet jackson's control anita baker's wrap here. We used to joke back in the days during the crack era that every time you broke into a car you're you either saw janet jackson's control anita baker's rapture or both in the car that was a joke but it was also true now when you look at two albums as tightly sequenced as these are and need a baker's album of the eight songs before with singles half the album singles mind blowing this album sold like hot cakes made of crack better okay then begins origin the june jasmine control now the difference being is these two women made damn near flawlessly executed sequenced albums however ville and tears for fears like we could put anything thing anywhere and it's still hot how sway now this also brings up another another question i had on how many of you familiar with <hes> new shoes their third album which was their breakout poolside <hes> another classic album from nineteen eighty six now the thing about poolside is that it has eight songs on it and it's sequenced well but you could would sequence it differently. That's the thing this album could be sequenced differently and it's still work. It's still slapped just as hard lost. Your number opens the album. I don't mind that i can't wait being the second song and album totally that here's the thing in this particular secular instance you could start to album with. I can't wait you could open poolside. What i can't wait then you could go into lost your number. Don't let me be the one could still <hes> beathard going through. The motions can close outside. Now you put me in in a trance is one of the most slept on songs of the eighties. It doesn't necessarily have to lead off side b but it works because you're pointing overturn and you don't want to finish the album appoint in overtime and here's what you don't wanna do. You don't want a leadoff album what i can't wait and leadoff side be point overturn. You could and it would at work but you don't want to do it. That's why i can't wait to and pointing overturned six second song side a second song aside be secret message and don't you be afraid right you could swap secret message for pointing overturn you could actually probably switch and you can put pointing overturn to lead off side and you can put you put me in a trance last. You could finish the album with that. That's how insane it is. When i look at new shoes poolside you'll you could really switched off out because it's not necessarily about the flow of one two three four songs using his back the back and he disowned back the back need disowned back back to back and then you need to come down song because you're dealing with shorter albums with longer albums. You need to have a flow you. We need to get from here here here here to here and it just blows my mind how you can have a classic album and you sequences. She completely different of the modern the modern kings of this phenomenon on in my personal opinion show to see the show the after party the hotel. What have you that album could be sequenced differently a number of ways on number of ways. He's like i'll walk through it right now the short after party the hotel said that think next year next summer is going to be the twenty fifth anniversary this album. This album dropped right after i graduated high school ghetto so when you jesus christ twenty tracks my brains explode 'cause there's so many <hes> interludes i understand. They put the interludes in to tell this narrative tale budweiser fucking begin with this. You got bring on the funk fun tonight. Some more get on up. Can we flow get on up and can we flow back to back works. Does it have to work at the end of side b aside citing not necessarily let's do it all could be any number of places freaking. You doesn't have to be halfway through side. Be it doesn't you you could quite literally. I'm looking record. You quite literally. Take love you for life. Move it move it up. You could take freaking you. Move it down. You could take pump it back and put it on saturday. You could move get on upside be you. You can move them refloat aside. You can put some more anywhere. This album has no fucking rhyme or reason the reason why people love this album's because they love the album. The sequencing on this record does not make sense. The only reason sequencing make sense thanks to you is because you heard it with the interludes. If you remove the fucking interludes a promise you if you remove the interludes and listen to the show oh the after party the hotel without the interludes and just listened to the album in sequence with the songs you like what think about this this. We're dealing with twenty two tracks. How many actually songs how many of these twenty two tracks are actually songs the only three singles from this album technically. We're looking at one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven maybe twelve as a refunder fokker fallen at a twenty two tracks. Maybe there's like twelve songs. Maybe thirteen if you stretch it you could that sequence this shit so many different ways you could put time and place anywhere on record. You can't lead wanna lead off the album with it. What would you lead off the album with bring on fox you wanna leader. Bring on the funk isn't necessarily the greatest choice to lead off this album. You just people just like it because they like it. They heard it. They're used to it. I had this discussion with jean grey before about how show to see just gave no fucks about album sequencing and it didn't matter and the thing is that when you find somebody who you can actually talk to about these things like your this. That bothers you to as almost like your fucking aliens. <hes> daria mad ban is another discussion entirely. We're not. We're not gonna go there. <hes> it's it's another story entirely but the the the the show the after party the hotel specially gets me like why why would you do this. Why do this now we. Let's talk about an album that if you were to re sequence it. Why would you do this. <hes> i think a perfect example of album woman sequencing. Why would you even mess with it and it's a long album is pete rock casino smooth mechanism brother eighteen songs long songs. The joke used to be that you could leave. You can listen the pete rock to seal smooths album album. Leave the car come back in and it's still on saturday so we got return of the mecca for pete's sake ghettos of the mine line lots of loving at like you know straighten it out so brother number one the without anger run a nation then we got the b. side a believer missile view on in on is like that now al al al can't for me the basement if it ain't roughly right and then finishes with skins skins perfect song to finish the album on what other song going in style mon. You're gonna finish the album with the basement. No you can't finish the album what it's like that they reminisce over used a perfect song to open the second side perfect perfect. Someone opens side b angry. Nation is the perfect song to end side a with and you and before you give us the wiggle gal so brother number one after straighten it out you wanna put lots of love in earth and the like right there in the middle oldest. I side or towards the end of it. You wanna get an a thing as you put it right. After ghettos of the mind you give us return to mecca for pete's sake ghettos rose of the mind and then you give us lots of love and then you finish it up at like you know and then straighten it out so brother number one to wig out in anger in the nation when you look at these eighteen songs. You're not like that doesn't need to be there. That doesn't end to your fucking mind it. Just doesn't you just appreciate what you heard and it's not like with jodi album where you only like these songs in order because you were presented zones in these order at no point. Were you like that doesn't make sense. They don't need to put in interludes in order to create a narrative to cover up the fact that this album sequencing doesn't makes sense it just works and then we have the main ingredient which i feel like is a more complete album. The meccan soul brother which is insane. This acres mechanism brothers damn near perfect album. The main ingredient opens with in the house. You'd be hard pressed to find an album fit opens more impressively than and then this one does dune. I hate when i do that is funny because it's like i kind of lose. Do it and i'm like wondering what the person's listen. Maybe maybe all like this shit some cut that out but i know for the most part anyways carmel city you want to put carmel hormel city early in the album and the thing about carmelo did as follow but i get physical. Are you kidding amy. Are you kidding me. I'm pounding the table. I'd get physical easily. One of my favorite rap songs from nineteen ninety-four <unk> falls by sun won't come out and then it goes into the single. I gotta love so you got game carmel city and number two you give me i gotta love at five. Give me escape. Escapism wrote the house my house after i gotta love then. Can you give me the main ingredient right after worldwide all the places. Tell me how you phil. Take you there cheeses. See what you wanna do the new guy searching than check it out. Check it out. Check it out and the flesh. I'll be damned in the flesh then we got its own you right right after in the flesh. What are you doing to us and refinish the album or get on the mic. You're gonna give me in the flesh then it's on you and then get on the mic to finish the album dale dams hamsun so when i look at mechanisms brother and the main ingredient we get thirty thirty four tracks. Both these albums the damn near perfectly sequence. I can't tell you that i would swap out you could possibly sibley i want but why because i'm thinking of this flow of side a and the flow of side b what would you move seriously. What would you move. What would you move that would make a better album more better flow. These are the thoughts that i don't have in regards to these albums however their other albums. That doesn't even make sense why why do that. Why why don't you move this on here and then what you do is in your head you do it okay perfect example of a classic album album that i think that i have issue with the sequencing and this might surprise some of you not me we will surprise some y'all <hes> purple rain now. I believe i remembered that. I believe that i've mentioned this this before but yes. I consider purple rain a classic album but i a really associated thing. I did mention this foreign block. As i associate this film more i mean associated soundtrack more with the film. This is not a prince album that i listened to independently. I just don't i listened to it either <unk> after or an accompaniment of the film so we open with. Let's go crazy again mentioned. It makes perfect sense. Here's where this is my issue with fucking purple rain. The second song and album is taking me with you. Why why why we don't need take me with you here matter of fact. We don't take me with you cited at all. Listen listen listen. I say open out more. Let's go crazy. Go directly into the beautiful ones gimme computer blue darling nikki. You know what finishes off side when doves cry now if you can do a number of things side be you can put take me with view at the second psalm inside be or do could lead off siberia. Take me with you. Dingo straighten to when doves cry. I would die for you. Baby starring preparation or you could lead off of cry. Give me taking me with you and then go out with you baby. I'm a star appropriate when doves cry stays on inside a so take me with you. I would die for you. I would die for you. Take me with you. Baby stopped right and then i go the bonus round. I add eleven. I make an eleven songs things so i'm adding erotic city and seventeen days now if i have those two joints. Where am i putting roddick city where i'm putting seventeen eighteen days. These are the things that keep my ass up. I'll be like yo whole long. Wait a minute na bow yeah <music> so it's just something that always intrigued me as a kid that that and i believe i mentioned in the previous podcast when the things that my younger brother and i loved to do is we would go through forty fives and we will listen to them and we will be intrigued that they managed to fit entire songs under three minutes back in the sixties. You would have a bridge choruses. Sometimes you even have a fucking. <hes> instrumental break got to play the horn. You get you get the drummer your drama give you some and let your holiday do this. All in under three minutes it intrigued us and another thing didn't treat me of course was how do you make an album. That's great or considered a classic but you don't execute every facet of it almost flawlessly. How is that possible. It's still something that boggles the mind tuesday because all right. We're talking about proper rain right. We skipped around the world world in a day now. I can't say that i love around the world in the day like i do my favorite prints albums but i will say that it has raspberry beret in america and i'm raspberry brain pop life on which which are arguably two of my favorite all-time print songs <hes> for me. It's all about parade raid and sign of the times. It just is now. Parade is a longer album and is also a soundtrack soundtrack this album in particular. I don't know how familiar you are are with them prayed. It's up there with my my favorite. Prince albums is up there. You got nine hundred ninety nine. You got parade. You signed a times times and you know wreaking go into the top five. Whatever but side day of parade opens opens christopher tracy's script aggressive tracy's parade goes into new position and then right to i want to you why does this work because christopher tracy parade <hes> new position and i wanted you all short songs these three songs clock in about six six minutes together then you hit us off halfway through with under the cherry moon a song under three minutes then we get get hit with girls and boys which is a song over five minutes girls and boys longer than the first three songs on the album by itself now think about how that psychologically affects the listener life can be so nice which is the second to last song song on side a when you listen to its tone and it sounded around the energy and the temple. It's already taken to another space new position kind of set you up. I wonder what under the cherry moon was. The comedown then it hits you girls and boys and went girls and boys hit you and it takes you on that rifle five minutes he takes you right into life can be so nice then he didn't come down with venus d'amato which close outside be but then he brings you back with mountains than do you li- and then you have kissed he buries the single then you get hit with another lover hole in in your head just like life can be so nice girls and boys. Has you another love a hole in your head hits you and then you close out which sometimes it snows in april. This is the only way to sequences <unk> album. If you give me those twelve songs and you're like i gotta make aside aside be. Do you say your we're gonna put six songs on the first day six sls second side. It is something entirely different. The reason prints made those songs short is so he can do seven and five so what if we do sixty six. What are we moving loving. You still want to open up side. Be with mountains. What do you do you take. Take venus d'amato and do you put it between mountains and do you li- do you put mountains. Do you li- kiss then venus d'amato than another. Ah holding <unk> does that work. Does venus the model work exactly what the fuck it is so you leave it alone and you. I you make it seven and five the answer is a leadership alone. Leave venus the model over the last song long aside a and then you openside be mountains go mountains. Do you like his in the level head. Sometimes it's those in april. That's damn answer now. We only have twelve songs to work with with parade before we jump to sign of the times <hes> um fam fam. Doug jones was four sides of vinyl. Yeah i know now sinu- times dow movements assigned times. What other song would you pick open sign of the times other than signed a times. Don't one answer that question because there is no answer to that question. Is you answer it any way other than signed the time you idiot now playing sunshine. Did they absolutely need to be the second song on the album right after sign the times did it but here's the conundrum if you don't put playing sunshine second what do you follow up sign. At times with forever in my life can't firmer my life has to close out the first or side of the cassette or the sec or or has the close out side to you. Don't want any song the other than the balata dorothy parker being the last song on that first piece of vinyl that first. I side a bella dorothy parker should be that first side on the vinyl. Don't necessarily cassette now. I'm talking about vinyl cassette. I'm not talking about c._d. Fam- <hes> i'm keeping a buck with you. I can't imagine imagine i hearing sinu- times on cd again. It came out nineteen. Eighty-seven how fucking rich do you think i was. Don't answer that. I don't answer that just like the question. About what song do you start. Sign of times with other decided time to answer is i wasn't just no. There's no answer you put plane sunshine second because what are you gonna put their slow love. You're going to go sign the time slow love you want to sign a time starfish and coffee. You want to go sign a times it that what you wanna do that. What you wanna do just won't make enemies early. You're going to open the other side with you. Got look so we go. You got look if i was your girlfriend strange relationship i could. I never take the place of your man now. Look at that sequence of four songs. You got to look the pharmacy girlfriends strange relationship. I can never take the place you man do you do you take strange relationship and put it right after you got the look and then go if i was your girlfriend i can never take the place you man. That's that's not going to flow like. You've got the look. If i was your girlfriend strange relationship. I can never take the place you can't go. You got the look. I can never take the place of your man strange relationship if i was girlfriend and i'm not saying that because i've heard this album a million times in this format and this is what i'm used to i'm saying it because as somebody who's an ard as someone who sequence beat tapes and albums. I'm going to turn forty four jesus christ in seventeen eighteen days <hes>. I know this works better. We close out with the cross is going to be a beautiful night in the door for your pose. Album is going to be beautiful night. You don't put a beautiful night before the cross. The cross is we're supposed to be u. S. beautiful nights where it's going to be an album closes with adore. You don't open side be with the door. You don't end album with your girlfriend. You don't take the ballot dorothy parker and put it on site and put it on side b or side. Be of the second record do don't do it. It just doesn't work the same way so when you look at it album exciting times we second sitter or everybody. She gets her classic but i consider a damn near perfect perfect i look at this body of work and i don't just look at all the songs on the album that i like i look at the whole body working the execution what that has to do with sequencing. I am fascinated by by the idea that sequencing can change an album when you watch a film. It's all about the editing what you cut to the reactions to coverage coverage all these things that evoke response from the viewer if you edit a scene differently or the acting is different. It's not going to have the same effect on the viewer is not i'm not going to get the same emotional response that you would like you want to engage the viewer or the listener and i feel that with classic albums just like classic films. The editing or the sequencing affects that there's i don't know there's anybody else who actually like really cares that much about things like this enough to be like oh. I'm going to study these albums and joe. If you move the song here you mean someone aside be moved us on inside a a you. Don't put this song here. Would that change this. Whole way to album is the way sounds. This is something that my brother and i did with albums like you know the white album by the beatles a yo. I gotta question what what if we move sexy sadie. What so this follow me okay. What if we don't put deer putin's directly after back in the u._s. What are you talking about. Think about it. What we move wild honey pie further down. Why the fuck would we do that because the al that side has to end this to me that side side has the end with walmart guitar. Gently weeps into happiness is a warm gun it has to to can you imagine if the first side of the white album didn't finish with while my guitar gently gently weeps into happiness is a warm gun. Can you imagine if dear putin's wasn't after back in a few lead off the white album dear prudence yes would you put back in u._s._s._r. Second glass onion third. Would you put glass onion second after the uprooted input black and us back in u._s. Has authored. Would you put back in usa saw before over the deel but the da would you switch route honey pie in the continuing story of bungalow bill. Why why would you do that. Do you put black do you you. You're going to open up side be e. I mean a lot of the white album with blackbird or ha ha. What are we doing. What are we doing sexy. Sadie go in a goal before mother nature's son. We're not gonna finish the album good night. We're gonna put revolution number nine before revolution number one fucking chaos. What's the matter with you. People so these type of things that my brother and i would discuss all the time you know go through david bowie albums do some of the things and the thing about my brother and i i loved his. We both didn't like the really early beatles albums. We like board on like this. It doesn't get good into like revolver. No zan like that's when like it's either sure no no no no no no no not not it doesn't get revolver isn't good to rubber sole but then it goes but then it really gets good after vulgar. That's that's what that's what. The discussion was because help no nest. That's not that's not it fam- helps not at fam- <hes> when you listen to help you like exactly that's what i want help nope but then you hear rubber sole you like wait. Hold on wait wait. There's something here but then when you get done wrong volver making a noise <hes> revolver revolver revolver opens with taxman eleanor remedium only sleeping. My brother would be like yo go. This is what we came here for that first side taxman eleanor rigby. I'm only sleeping this setup the aesthetic this is how you open an in album. This is how you engage the listener and now you've set a precedent you set a standard and now you you've gotta follow through on it shit. This is how i view music. This is how i view are. This is how i approach writing. Everything is everything. These are. The things that i feel passionately about jesus things that i think about lose weight at night early in the morning. These are the things that i pursue. These are the things that make make me want to be better in studied my craft so i never get complacent so i never fall off so i remember that i always have to be a student and i feel like that's the best way to leave this whole thing off. <hes> just been thinking about a lot of things in terms of my own legacy after the passing of ross g <hes> and my upcoming birthday and the fact that this fall my niece turns eighteen my nephew trans twenty and this month mouth marks the twentieth anniversary of me moving into the apartment. I live in now so you know everything comes full circle. I might be a good title for this podcast. Wash me not name it that off. 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Why B.C.s orcas are at risk, and whats at stake

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Why B.C.s orcas are at risk, and whats at stake

"This is a C._B._C. podcast. Should we rethink our relationship with technology in the midst of the A._I.. Revolution Sleep sleep walkers a podcast from iheartradio explores the strange consequence of human interaction with artificial intelligence with secret labs and expert guests. It's co hosts Oswald mission and care a price talk about how new technology is changing everything from falling in love to diagnosing cancer. Listen to sleep walkers on your favorite podcast APP or wherever you get front burner a mother Orca whose calf died after birth is still carrying her baby. She's still has this stress in this pain that she must be going through. Hundreds of kilometers still still carrying her lifeless cough through the waters of the Pacific northwest. I remember the so well from last summer. A mother killer whale carrying her dead calf for seventeen eighteen days seventeen days. It was heartbreaking to watch that mother is part of J pot a family of endangered southern resident killer whales who live off the coast of Washington and British Columbia right now there are a lot of worries about the grandmother of the baby calf. We were just talking about J.. Seventeen she showing signs of peanut Ted. That's the loss of blubber so pronounced that her white eyepatches trace the outline of her go the latest photos of J. Seventeen show her in really emaciated condition. The survival of these orcas has all kinds of implications patients on the environment and even the Trans Mountain pipeline from getting built the first time around. I'm Jamie Whistle today. I'm talking Catherine Wolfson. She's a producer of a new C._B._C.. podcast these really majestic creatures. It's called Killers J. pod on the brink today. We're GonNa talk about why these Wales matter. This is from Catherine. That image of that mother was just was talking about the one of her carrying her dead baby calf. It was so powerful it it looked like grief to me. Were you able to find out why she did that. It was hard not to label it as grief journalists did it activists did it. Scientists did it <hes> so we asked <hes> a lot of our guests about that <hes> we spoke to a whale researcher John Ford and certainly the length of time was unprecedented. I think so he's really the preeminent Wail scientist here on the West Coast. He's been studying them for forty years. He's a little more measured. He says you just can't know whether whales have emotion the same way that humans have emotion. Maybe is a little too who anthropomorphic we really don't know what's driving those kinds of behaviors and and what they feel whether they have an emotion like like grief reef we on but he doesn't rule it out. I think it's a really strong. <hes> instinctive drive more than anything for the whale to support its cow to keep her baby. The afloat alive or dead which in and of itself is kind of poignant but Jamie. Here's the thing to me <hes>. It doesn't really matter what J. Thirty five five was feeling or intending whether you anthropomorphized her because what she did it was received by US humans as a message ray we had our own emotions so we thought we projected our emotions. We couldn't help but connect with what this mother whale was doing. All of a sudden J. Thirty five just popped popped up very close it almost like she brought it over to me to to you know inner inner morning or during their grief there are a lot of connections between between Wales and humans they have babies at the same rate. They live for similar lengths of time. They're very cohesive family groups. We know that they're intelligent. Animals have large brains James and so it is normal to project onto them but at the bottom of it all it became a message during that summer about the plight of her pod and I think it also became sort of a bigger message about the state of our environment the impact of humans on the environment remember last summer all the forest fires as if the wildfire wildfire danger hasn't felt real enough people in Prince. George woke up to dark skies. It's in part due to the massive shovel lake wildfire burning to the West. It felt like the whole world was on fire right around that time climate change evidence was everywhere and so that display became somehow symbolic to some people I think <music> I wanNA poll on all of those threads with you today but let's talk about this pod for second J.. pod Is one whale family group but I I understand there's also Cape Cod and L. Pod as well and these make up the southern resident killer whale population in the podcast you talk about how they're on the brink. How how many of them are we talking about here right now? There's a maximum of seventy six members of the southern resident killer whale clan and the reason we say a maximum is we just don't know right now right now. They're not in our inland waters so we can't identify them the last time we saw them. <hes> there is a new baby calf so that brought the numbers up to seventy six WCHS but there's also two of them that were missing the last time we saw them so it could be as low as seventy four and you spoke about this new baby calf. It is the population Well the new baby is a huge hope so when that baby was spotted just off the coast to Pheno we've got these baby pictures they were circulated in the media from this whale watching eighteen crew that spotted it were waiting and watching because babies have <hes> a low chance of survival in their first year so I think it's too early to say that that's a we're really hopeful. Sign and that baby will survive we do know it's a female so that's great news because this pod really needs females to survive. Do we know why these cavs cavs have such a low rate of survival in their first year. We really don't there's a lot about the survival of these whales that is a little bit of a mystery still but what we do know that these whales their population as a whole faces a whole slew of threats and what are these threats okay so scientists <hes> experts and in even our own government really break it down into three broad categories. The first <hes> in the most significant is access to food then there's pollution in the water and end noise or disturbance from boats so I can break those down a little bit <hes> yeah. Can we start. Maybe with the noise issue absolutely that one really is the most politically critically significant right now I think so I you need to know that southern residents are highly vocal animals. They are so abusive to each other yeah and they really do they speak to each other. They use those calls to communicate. They also use them to find mates and crucially to find food food so both by locating prey finding out where the seminar and also by coordinating amongst themselves to hunt and noise from ships can really disrupt that so there's this release striking example we got our hands on from ORCA lab that has hydrophones along the coast and it was of northern resident killer whale so cousins the southern residents and cruise ship possum by the and you can just hear how that big ship drowns out the vocalisations but what's really a crucial is that for the southern residents their hunting grounds here in the salish sea there right in the middle of busy shipping and ferry routes the waters waters are noisy and so these animals therefore have become the symbols of <hes> the campaign against increasing fessel traffic and particularly you know at the Trans Mountain pipeline pipeline expansion right right because he's been at the center of the debate over the Trans Mountain Pipeline Project <hes> last year court ruled that the National Energy Board had failed to consider the effects increased tankers on the whales. Let's be clear our government inherited a flawed environmental review process the government's now reapproved the pipeline pipeline. We directed the National Energy Board to examine the impacts T._M.. Ex could have on the marine environment and provide recommendations and how are they saying. They're going to address Graf the whales here fisheries and Oceans Minister Jonathan Wilkinson tells me that they're they're committed to more than making up for what he calls incremental Marine Traffic Nick <hes> associated with this project for these whales <hes> with things like moving shipping lanes further away from foraging areas increasing the minimum distance for whale watching boats to these killer whales and slowing down vessels and there's this big program out of the Vancouver Airport Authority called the ECO program. It's a voluntary ship slowdown initiative <hes> <hes> so it gets boats to slow down through crucial ORCA HABITAT. That's because if you slow ships down the noise usually <hes> is reduced reduced in so they've shared some pretty striking examples of a container ship before the voluntary slowdown began and then the same ship a month later during the voluntary slowdown and you can really hear the difference you know. Do People think that this is enough not for many indigenous groups here on the west coast not for the environmental groups that have been opposing this project within hours of the the Federal Joe Cabinet approval. They were back at the podium again already announcing that they're heading back to court to fight this latest approval <hes>. My name is chiefly George Wilson. I'm CICCIO modest oh to nation and once again you heard that these Wales they're going to be at the heart of this case going forward sober not done hearing about them. Our obligation is not got to oil our obligation is to the land to the water to our people to the whales you see pictured on this poster remembering the mother whale that carried her dead cuff on her head for seventeen days shoes bringing us a message and you know when we're talking about the increase of tanker traffic and the effect it has on whales where we're talking about also their inability to get food right exactly. That's what's is at the heart of it. It's not just the noise bugging them. It's the noise <hes> interfering with their ability to hunt so when we talk about food and access to Chinook Salmon there's also the decline in Chinook salmon stocks. That's a big problem but then you have to unravel. Is it that there's not enough salmon full. Stop or is it that the killer whales One thing about your cousin I found really fascinating then I didn't know before is that these whales have this historic in deeply personal meaning to indigenous populations. Yes we heard this over and over again. <hes> we spoke to the LEMme nation in Washington state as as well as the tooth nation here on the north shore near Vancouver and in in the Lemme language the name for Orca translates to our relative under under the water and it really is a family relationship they consider them to be their relatives. They're like just as close as a niece and nephew a lot of their commitment want to <hes> oppose. This project into to fight for the whales is is about that family relationship old closer than you will ever be with your children in your parents because they don't they don't leave they stay together it forever and <hes> they've been a part of this place this. They belong here more so than you do. They belong here more so than anybody else and we we lived as one with him but we look at them as they were here before us for Cutler Culture here on the West Coast I love for Wales as a little bit newer actually one of the things I got to delve into was how we really. He's to hate these animals. We used to think that they were competing with fish. So in fact our government our federal government at one point set up a machine gun on the coast nine hundred sixty one to shoot these Wales how because they thought they were stealing our fish that gum was never used it was was taken down but it's just an example of how we used to fear them think of them as pests vermin and then that slowly evolved really <hes> you could argue due to Wail capture putting putting them in aquariums later on having the whale watching industry to now where they are the mascot of our hockey team there in ads and gift shops everywhere and I always love talking to people in Vancouver about how these Wales play such a large role in their day to day lives you know people always talk about taking the ferry three and and often more times than not seeing these orca whales. It's such a classic B._C.. Moment when you're on the B._C.. Ferry the captain comes on the loudspeaker and says there's been an ORCA spotted off the port side and everybody rushes out onto the deck and the ship just about lists because everybody's watching <music> the one question that's in the back of my mind talking to view is is is what role if any is climate change playing. That's something that's the research is quite early. <hes> we hear a lot about are warming oceans and also about ocean acidification so that's the chemical shift as our oceans absorbed the carbon that's in our atmosphere and what scientists right now are trying to unravel what we can say about how climate change and ocean acidification is doing to tiny little animals that are part of the southern residents food chains so for example. There's something called Terra pod. It's this ghostly underwater free-floating snail. They're really beautiful and we know that their shells are being dissolved by the more acidic waters here along the West Coast and we also know that salmon loved to each these tiny snails so if these species are in trouble then it's going to rip up the food chain to the southern resident what's interesting to me. Is that the situation for these killer whales is really dire fire as we talked about but at the same time other types of killer whales or thriving the northern resident killer whales for example and why that some people have theories that the the northern residents are actually getting first crack at the Chinook runs runs and eating the bulk of them the southern's are downstream and they have to try and make a living on what's left they also live in far less polluted and a far less busy environment airmen on the North Coast and then those bigs killer whales transient killer whales. Those are the ones that we've been seeing. I don't know if you've seen the news coverage but they've been entering Vancouver waterways right and Berard let so these whales they've been hunting for seals and sea lions. That's the bulk of their prey and those animals are actually doing well l.. Their rebounding in the English see that's a good news story and the bigs killer whales are following them in here. It also begs the question though why are they able to thrive thrive in this urban environment. If the pollution is so detrimental to the southern residence the best answer we got as maybe it does to speak to how much more important food is because they have a bountiful plentiful plentiful food supply whereas the southern residents don't <music> and one thing are shaped like a peanut. So we saw a young whale last summer Jay fifty that was showing signs of macy ation struggling to keep up with the pod and and launched this international effort to try to save this wail veterinarians from both sides of the border were out on boats trying to figure out what was wrong with it. They eventually got got an antibiotic Dart and shot it with medication human intervention. <hes> is something that we bring to the table only as a measure of last resort we're now down to seventy five Wales in this population and we just can't afford to lose another female from this population that was to no avail in eventually did just drift away from its pod and it has now been declared dead and we're seeing the same thing happening again this summer with this really important matriarch whale j seventeen and she's the mother of j thirty five the mother that carried her calf. She has been showing signs of peanut head the last time they spotted her family and bear in mind that these Wales stick in their family groups for life. They hang out together. She wasn't there so there's worries now that she may be dead as well you mentioned engined earlier that that there are efforts to try and slow down boats to cut down on noise. Is there anything else that's being done to try to protect these creatures there. There is a lot being done. I mean I think I've mentioned they've become political poster. Children so governments have been paying attention to these Wales. Here's some numbers a- An all flash these out in a minute but the government of Canada has a hundred and sixty seven point four million dollar whales initiative in Washington State. They have a one point one billion U._S.. Dollar plan to save them so a lot of resources are being spent on these Wales and some of the initiatives are things like making making sure whale watching boats stay further away restricting commercial and recreational fisheries base closures for Salmon Fisheries in a few specific areas of importance to south resident killer whale foraging and that's led to protests in the streets here in Vancouver a lot of unhappiness among sport fisherman and I would imagine these core challenges against the T._M.. Pipeline for some some people are also an attempt to protect that absolutely yeah they I think they're going to remain at the forefront of that story over the next few years as those court challenges make their way a through the courts. There's also been three interim sanctuary zones here in crucial habitat on the south coast in the U._S.. They're similar or measures salmon restoration and I don't know if you've been following the story here in B._C.. But we're going to great lengths to save the Salmon. There's tens of the thousands of salmon right now trapped behind a rockslide N._B._C.'s interior and the government has been using helicopters and they're talking about using something called a fish sh- cannon to get them past that rock side so the food source. There's a lot of resources and attention being spent on that <music> to end this conversation today. If these southern resident killer whales go extinct. What would the consequences be well a lot of people well? We talked to said that it would be a failure of humans it would be symbolic of our our stewardship of the oceans and of the species he's with whom we share this coast so I'll give you a little personal story Jamie we were talking about seeing Wales off of fairies. When I was first gathering tape wait for this podcast the very first interview I was on a little fairy going to Quadra island and we got that call there's whales off the port side and I actually grabbed my four year year old daughter and we ran to the side and she saw killer whales for the first time and it was just one of those amazing moments and she was so excited and now reflecting back? I do wonder how many of those settings is she going to have when she grows up and what will her children see in our oceans interviewing so many people who care here so passionately about these animals really made me realize how much we have right now and how much we stand

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B.I.G. Interview | Steve Smiley, UNC Bears Head Mens Basketball Coach

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19:56 min | 4 months ago

B.I.G. Interview | Steve Smiley, UNC Bears Head Mens Basketball Coach

"Hey nuggets andrew's coach blowing up the denver nuggets. And you're listening to the whole show. Thirteen ten ks k twenty minutes after the hour welcome back. We're live from the collision specialists studios a lot to unpack today very excited though about. What's getting set to happen tonight. Or as twenty twenty tells us we gotta wait until we actually see some players out on the floor or hear from players on the floor. Unc tonight against colorado christian joining us now head coach for the university of northern colorado. Men's basketball team coach steve smiley coach. Thanks for being with us. We really appreciate it as always per se being air it's It is an exciting day for the program. Did you ever think you'd actually get here to this point where you're gonna have you coach. Your first game for this bears team is the coach. You you start to wonder after this. You know what you see nasally. You have positive stuff with program you start to wonder a little bit but like you said. We haven't thrown that ball in the area. So i mean until it happened. It hasn't happened yet but we were really excited. This is i mean. This is strange for every coach but Here you are coach. We've talked about. This is your dream. And and you take over this program I tweeted this earlier. Coaches aren't going to be judged necessarily on just the xs and os anymore. It's gonna be judged on how you handle covid nineteen how you handled the scheduling all that stuff. I mean it's i've talked to me. There's so many different things with now. Well i'm looking at our at our little shoot around planet at shoot around today. We've gotta talk about got to review How we're doing the locker room. Howard doing where we're entering. How to wear masks before the game chairs alignment. We gotta talk about all that different stuff. You've never had a talk about that before you know but yeah it's unlike anything we've ever experienced a you know all hi. How do you do with the rest of your coaching staff. I mean we we see it at the nfl level. I'm seeing nfl coaches. They have like a guy that's in charge of bringing the coach back so he's not stepping out onto the field. Are you going to have a guy that's like. Hey coach. don't forget some of these. Because i can't imagine how you can keep all of this Rolling when you're trying to pay attention to the actual game well you know. I probably should have a guy holding me back. Because i have a habit of walked on court point this sheer for the coach. It's really state coach box. But yeah i mean. I think our staff we we spend a lotta time just the in our meetings on kind of going through the scenarios all the different stuff and really you know relaying. The information came so we try to stay within compliance of you know contact tracing and everything else like that. So it's gonna kind of be a team after but we've got a great staff and and that includes their coaches are trained our strength coach. Everyone's on board and In sync with how we gotta get this done. So we'll see how it goes but i'm still going to be a lot more twist and turns coach. Talk to us a little bit about the pause from from a week ago or two weeks ago. What what is that process like. And i mean what what. What are you supposed to do at that point in time. You're told the program needs to take a pause. What are we talking about like. Shut down everything. The players confined. How can you take us through some of that process. Yeah yeah no. It was our first pause in terms of timing of this teams have been paused different times. And you don't ever want to get a pause because that means you have you know subtype of coke case within your your your program your personnel and so you know we We had a case at that point in time. You know the kind of guidelines set everyone down fourteen days and that means exactly what you said like. There's no practice. Everyone's on a formal quarantine. I believe all players were unaffordable. Portee based on contact tracing of that time can't leave your room All kinds of different stuff. And then the coaches you know. We were masked up at the time and so it was more like an athletic type of quarantine. I believe but everyone was gone. You know no one knows allowed in the building It was just a quarantine and forty about guys. You know their their bodies and and One or the eating okay but to you know. Losing fourteen days of practice Strength conditioning at this time of year is brutal so it was. it was hard You know when we got back a little bit late last week we started doing small group work which really consistent like thirty minutes of scale work. Thirty minutes of five hundred thirty minutes of very light weight lifting did that for a couple of days took a day off. And then sunday i believe was when we started going into you know more of a practice and so today being wednesday we've had sunday was very light shorts. We really had about two practices overall but we have had five or six days of getting their bodies back together. So we feel like we're in a you know a decent spot it's not gonna be You know midseason formed by any means. But it's it's we're where we're at right down a lot of the deals. We're talking to unc. Men's basketball coach steve smiley again First game tip enough tonight at a bank of colorado's six thirty we'll have it. We'll have it on the air here. Thirteen ten a coach dealing with. I'm just picturing like okay. All these players they go to their rooms. What are they doing to stay. Are they just punch crunch push ups or what are we doing in there. Stay fit and ready. I mean that's all i can view because of the flip side of it. There's there's some other rule and say that you know you can't do Let's just say zoom workouts strang coach room because there's not a certified athletic trainer on hand when you're in your room in case something goes wrong physically you know where you need. You know cpr or the ad or trainer helps so really. You know you can get You can get you know workout suggestion. just try to stay in shape. So it's it's it's tough man especially this time of year There's no way to kind of get out of your room and you know even if you were able to. The weather gets colder. Nineteen go out. Shoot the park for an hour and half is twenty. Seven degrees outside so It's it's really hard and and for us going through the for the first time our program you could really feel it and as a coach you had to really when the guy's got back as much as you say we gotta catch up. You gotta be really careful slow down and just work on very basic stuff for make. Sure they're moving right nothing alive and make sure they don't get any you know any soft tissue injuries ankles hamstrings things like that just because they haven't been moving up so it's a. It's a scary time. For all of us i refresh. Unc bears dot com on an hourly basis just to see updates on the schedule tonight competition. We saw regis that. You've added that game friday coach. Let's get into this the elephant in the room. I'm on twitter yesterday. I see men's basketball tweets out that it's game week and ic- issue pueblo on the schedule saturday. But then i remember in my little brain. I thought that was playing on saturday. Can you can you. Can you help us out a little bit on. What's going on. yeah. I think it's just it's just. It's it's the perfect perfect example of cove it Where you have all these plans. I mean you know colorado state which which. We're not playing on saturday that game. We've lost so just as an example. You know my my staff. My sister's they've prepared. I think six scouts now and tonight will be the first scout. The that actually is gonna come to fruition where where we where we play and so you know going back to the room. Yeah you don't see if you had had a pretty pretty documented a pause as well their program With a little different than ours. I guess in terms of terms of Kind of how their their paws went but at the end of the day You know disgusted. Is this the right time right now to play the game so what i say is the game is going to be played meat. Neither side is trying to not play the game and as our two admits administrations are working on it. I think the game will be played not a fissile day. But it'll be played after christmas. 'cause there's just no time right now with both of our schedules to put the game back in but ultimately it's a you know covert induced Situation and the game will be played and it looks like it'll be after christmas and i do think that there will be an announcement on that date you know within the next twenty four to forty eight hours once paperwork finalized out but it's disappointing on just waiting for us just because again it's our fifth game that we've lost in cs. He hasn't played a game either. And so just kind of goes into that whole deal. But you know we're gonna play the game and and we're gonna make that happen I believe after the start of the new year. Were you guys like. Did you see this tweet. I'm sure it was talked about. What was that news to you at that point. Did you already kind of know. What's the plan was. Well you know yes. And no. I mean i talk with their coach as well about kind of situations but both for programs. We've been talking a lot about you. Know the status of our health and how many healthy players like. There's a rule in our league. For instance says you have have some healthy players play game so each program is going through different types of pauses. So you know we've been in communication a lot Going back to three weeks not only issue. But you know we got see. See you coming on monday. They've got a couple of pauses. We've got div. Cover the falling wednesday. So it's not just see us. She was playing all. The coaches are communicating like. Hey what's the saudis your program. What's the help because can't play game. All of us need to refill games especially uh us in cedar susan. Dan play the game either yet this year. So go back to your point though Yeah we saw the tweet at you know the they're playing and i got on twitter to kind of looked at it who they're playing. There was some confusion on both sides of the What was going on in. So i think that point. You know it's like okay. We gotta figure this out a both ministrations. We're able to hop in. i think. Come to a solution so that the game wasn't lost because the last thing you wanna do is lose for both of us. The opportunity in cova year where people are trying not to travel much. Try not to get on a lot of commercial flights. We have both for programs. Were were forty minutes away. The worst case scenario would be to completely lose the game. So i've probably the same way that you Brady and then. We got to kind of figured out. What i think's interesting and again coach. I think i told you this. I i wanna see. I wanna see both programs healthy ready to go. I want to see the best game possible. It's great for the state of colorado. It's great for both programs. I i really feel that way so with me. I'm looking at the tweet going. All right. I wish there was a little more explanation of okay. We think it'd be a better situation to play you. See when we're you know. We've got a few games on herb like. I don't mind that kind of thinking but yeah when i'm reading that tweet yesterday it came across as what you see game almost like no we just we just. We're this was our schedule. This is what we're doing and three different schools you included had Had different schedules that they all had different opponents at for saturday. The ad the amount of and rescheduling we're all doing right now because the cove and the other nationwide perspective zag at shutdown. Recently they lost four games and everyone losing games at refilling games. And it's amazing. We'll get you know calls and emails daily behavior of a given opening on this day. You have to fill a game. it's just. It's just a musical chairs all year long. At least get your conference but yeah it was It was you know it was strange. And i think that For us you know once we finalize the date. We're going to move it on our schedule. But you're right. You're to our schedule. If we we've got the issue on the twelfth they got on the twelfth and everyone's confused and So that there was some some mystery mr case or have you want to say but i do think we'll get this thing resolved so that we can't play the game which at the end of the day. That's the most important thing. Yeah no question about it. I know you Coaches both at both administrations have a lot of respect for one another so Miscommunication what it looks like what it appears to be. There was a lot of frustration yesterday. But it sounds like moving forward. Okay coach tonight. Speaking of moving forward. Are we expecting a full roster. Are there guys. That are maybe not ready to go. Just because the layoff can be interesting and like you said you wanna be careful. You don't want guys coming at this thing too hard and getting hurt. So are we expecting a full roster tonight. We'll we'll have all we have sixteen guys all sixteen guys dressed out. There are a few guys in the program that been out a little bit longer Children quarantine and so you know for us there. Were probably if you guys that we don't anticipate planning to be honest with you and You know they just got back and you look at it in terms of their bodies and the same thing like the worst thing i could do in. Our train stops the same way as put a kid in hasn't done anything you know. Fourteen fifteen sixteen days a few cases seventeen eighteen days and played them and their bodies their minds still sell them where they want to go their bodies but their buys. Just don't respond the right way. And then you get that injury and so we're going to really protect ourselves from that so there will be a few guys. That'll be outside that that would be part of the rotation that Probably won't play tonight I do anticipate the probably by friday. That he's got a couple more days of workouts and and Just some training under their belt to get their bodies back. And i think by friday we should have the full sixteen but i do anticipate of guys that. Were gonna hold out out of precaution coach. We're looking forward to it man again. I said oh congrats to you on this job. I know this was a dream job. I know this is gonna be a great opportunity. I didn't think we'd be the ninth of december. Where i say. Hey good luck in your very first game. I really appreciated radiant. If we go back door and this will this will schedule november. I think we already have like eight games. Then by now and i told the guys couple days guys we've been practicing saugus we're we're we're all about practice and developing and keeping the The sauce but at some point you gotta get a game and so there's just all that time our guys just so excited get out there and play. It's going to be pretty but The right now. It's just about getting out there. Competing getting used to a game get into that flow and then go from there. But i do appreciate it. It's exciting and and that's been such a weird year such a weird situation but at the end of the day we're playing tonight. We're happy to do it. I want to mention something to i've been. I'm happy to be a part of this. This round ball banter zoom chat. We're doing coach. I'm honored to be a part of it. You have that in the midst of everything you got that too. We have that tomorrow afternoon. Can you our listeners. About that and how they can get involved. I'll absolutely so. Yeah so that when we Schedule this one. Every three months you know give or take. We're trying to do one of these kind of quarterlies zones because you know the basketball banter and You know just supporters fans alums donors anybody that wants to get on just kinda here the state of the program. We've picked that date at the time. We didn't have games right around there. We thought this would be a good time. Couple of days off now sandwiched in between two games. It's between tonight's game. Friday game but really. Just talk about the state of the program. Think in this episode. We'll talk about covert a little bit. Talk about The game tonight. Kind of recap. What happened in that. Colorado gave hope was highlights social sell And then And then also just talking about a recruits. We have had a chance to talk about the two kids. We signed in november. Which we're allowed to talk about and it's kinda go through it from there so you know the easiest way On twitter account or on our unc alumni page you know people just go to believe unc alumni dot. Org that event would be right up there and it's free It's just four o'clock. You know by gopher just under an hour four two four forty five. Forty four fifty. It's about the state of the program preview. The schedule coming up there will be more and more even how that goes so you can see alumni dot org is probably the easiest way to the pop onto that and we'd love to have people on their take that into a big deal so it's been great and and you open up a lot of folks that normally don't we have these interviews but really they can get an inside. Look what's happening with With your basketball program. So i absolutely love it questions or fired off to so coach. We appreciate all. You're doing man and good luck tonight. We're we're happy to have it on the on the thirteen cave gay tonight for the first time. That sounds good. I appreciate it brady. That's unc. men's basketball coach. Steve smiley guy and yesterday was nuts. Yesterday was madness. Here's what i'm going to chalk it up to colefax to be very fair here. I think there was a tweet out about its game week for colorado state without any without anything else. It was just a tweet that sentence game week you click it. S you blow on saturday. There should have been more in the tweet. Because i have no problem. Let's call it what it is. What is the issue pueblo to see issue. It's a tune-up game. I have no problem with that. What is tonight for you and see. It should be a tune-up game colorado christian. I wouldn't say that to coaches. I wouldn't say that But that's what it is has been in a longer pause. Then then the teams around this area much longer. I think what november seventeenth their stuff going on there with the covert with the covert situation. And i understand that. And so that's my biggest thing is i'd rather see both teams hundred percent healthy and go at it and if that's the case let's let's let them get a couple of games under their belt. Let's let them get a few weeks. No problem with that the way it just the way it came across yesterday was it's game wake issue pueblo saturday when you and has you on the schedule and there's really no mention of that so yeah i was all over it yesterday trying to get this but i as you guys know if you listen to this program i have major respect for niko medved major respect for colorado state and obviously the university of northern colorado so the last thing i wanna do is paint these programs into a bad light but i got a call like it. Is you know i love that basketball program i love the fact that nico ed's gonna be there for a long time but i'm going back to the tweet. I think that's where the miscommunication started and as jerry jeudy can probably attest to. Sometimes you need to stay away from twitter until you get everything ironed out. Because i think that's where bears fans immediately went to. Oh see issues. They don't wanna play us. They are they scared of us. They don't they're not even going to respect us and mention the fact that That the that we were supposed to play them. I was listening yesterday. Colfax on noko now. Tanner was interviewing kevin lytle of the colorado great front of the station and tanner flat out asked him. He said hey. Colorado state scared to play you and see on saturday and you know kevin mentioned. Hey they play do clash cheer colorado. State's not scared of anything. The problem with that though is e- everybody expects you to lose to duke. I would say rams fans do not expect to lose to the university of northern colorado. That's that's what it is just like see. You doesn't expect to lose to see us you so that i think that was a lot of thought. A lot of the thought process going through everybody's heads yesterday. That probably could have been solved easily with a couple of sentences in the tweet. Because i have no problem saying hey. We haven't played since november seventeenth. We don't want to go play a solid. Unc team right now. We'd rather kind of have a tune-up game to see you blow and get a few practices games on bell. I don't have any issues with hat. None at all. In fact. I'd i would support that. I would promote that but it wasn't really painted that way yesterday. Thirty nine minutes after the hour. We're going to take a short break when we come back. We'll talk more on our poll question. Power to a power play. Sports poll question of the day failed the whole show dot com a list of quarterbacks there if you could choose who who would you take is matt stafford the guy on your wishlist right now. Let's get the latest on the local sports flash.

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70: What Was The Best Part of Your 2019?

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31:01 min | 1 year ago

70: What Was The Best Part of Your 2019?

"Hey guys it's Rachel Hollis and I'm here with my friend. Trent Shelton was originally. How you doing? I'm living the dream man. We you tell listeners why we're hanging out together right now. We're hanging out because we're launching my new podcast straight up and I'm super excited so rad. If you guys are not already familiar they were threat. He has millions and millions of fans all around the globe who come to him for a very unique style of coaching. Yeah we're unique straight. The point is really as I can put it straight from the heart and breaking through those negative mindsets breaking through of what's holding you back in people's lives and long form love that so if you guys want to hear more you're already listening on podcast platform go subscribe to straight up with Trent Shelton. Let's go let's get it. It's the morning show that no one are knows I'd no one is talking about. I stayed no one is talking about but if they did they probably the best way to start art happy Friday. You're joining us at the. You could see my hand right above your head hello You're you're watching the start today morning show with breath me. I'm Dave who are you know. No no you're not Bob Are you Bob. Oh Bob's with us. Today oh I didn't know Bob was with us today. Oh my goodness well. Welcome Bob. Thanks for being here. And who's this this baby baby junior. Oh and Baby Juniors here ladies and gentlemen welcome Dave Bob and baby junior on a Friday morning Bob. How's your Friday going on? Did you know it's Friday the thirteen are you sliding what is happening. You're supposed to be. The Co host is with the most this when you hear this year this coughing. That's what's happening at the Hollis House right now. That's why Rachel Hollis is not going to be on this show this this morning because he has been struck with Dang Cedar Fever. What are you GONNA do? You'RE GONNA come back and do the morning show. Okay have yourself a good morning here take baby be with you. You'RE GONNA come right back. Sounds good well good morning everybody. Everybody's having a nice start to your Friday like I said my name is Dave. I'm GonNa fix this camera because we've lost our small human. I am a one man army today. What else is new? This week has been wonky Anki for US humans but we are finishing out. Oh we on the start today morning. Show my wife Rachel thing it allergies Jeez in Texas are a thing apparently had zero concept of this coming into. Oh you're back. Oh Wow I don't think you're back. I think you're GONNA go drop Jackson off at school. You're oh you're back with close okay. I'm not a I'm not going to be getting address right now. I need you to get dressed. And we'll take Jackson to school and then come back. Ok seen a little bit good morning. Good morning everybody buddy. All right we'll see a little bit. Come right back. The allergies are her thing. If you move from one place where you have not up previously experienced allergies and then you get to a place where all of a sudden they've got a new spore a new poison in the air. Well you have to deal with it and right now. We are dealing with Cedar because Cedar is a stinking thing in the hill country of Texas and it is out in a vicious way for us. I don't know if you can relate but darn it we're going through it. It's Friday the thirteenth. Welcome you're only going to have an unlucky day. If you believe that you I will i. Just don't I'm excited about my Friday the thirteenth because today is the night of the Hollis Company Holiday Party and I am. I'm ready for it now. I'm ready for it in part because I love a good holiday party but I'm also here for it because yes I am going to experience a holiday party through the lens of something I have never ever experienced and that is I am going to a place that produces alcohol very delicious alcohol and I am not going to be drinking the very delicious alcohol and I'm going to watch the people that I work with every single day and their significant others most of whom I've never met drink way too much as we have a DJ playing music because they have us taking care of them with ride home. And so I am going to be the sober observer of behavior when alcohol is introduced. Let's let's go. Let's bring oh in a second. Did you get dressed. Oh no how the Scott dressed. Well come on back into the old morning. Show that nobody's talking talking about. Wow that was quick. Change all right. Welcome back I'm happy to see that your back. I got a camera I mean. I've got a camera here. It doesn't matter if you're watching on facebook you can see the top of my phone. I can't do anything for you. I don't know how the technologist of the start today morning show took today the day off. 'cause it's Friday the thirteenth and we got a holiday party going on tonight. The bottom line is I am excited. I am going to be like a sociologist allergists. I what are you doing. You can't come onto the morning. Show that nobody's talking about take a nap. You have to be entertaining or not being on the show. That's the the only way that this works. That is the only way that this works. Are you here for this morning show. Are you committed to this morning. Show then you better tell us a joke logo August. I do have to go to work today but I haven't even changed out of my workout stuff yet. I don't know if Mommy is going to go to work. I don't think she's going to go to work today. I think she's going to try and be well so that she can go to the House Co Holiday Party tonight where she would probably have a little bit of something that you're GonNa the beat you're gonNA leave again. Okay go come back. Come on back whenever you'd like I'd appreciate you coming back or not either way. Oh you're GONNA come back Iraq okay or don't either way I don't want you to feel any pressure to come back. You're okay head on out of the room. I saw you kick the wire it don't matter. Yeah you're fine. The wires fine have a good day. Close the door. I love you you you coming right back coming back already. I don't know that we need you back yet. I just checked your call sheet. You haven't been called back on set yet. Oh man the wheels are gone. There weren't ever wheels on this show. Oh are you coming back. If you're coming right back where you are actually back. You're actually back okay. Okay welcome back. Welcome back so anyway as I was saying oblong applaud your breakfast Taco all right throw in here we go breakfast tacos coming in ladies and gentlemen a breakfast Taco for no Hollis the Rectus Taco. Wow a new feature on the star today morning show breakfast tacos with Noah. Wow how I know. This is where the ratings bonanza really happens because all of a sudden people are like wait a second. is she going to have a breakfast Taco on a Friday yes she is welcome breakfast Taco. No one needs to see you eating with your mouth open though I am going to tell you that right this very no one wants to see this stop. You are a monster and you are. You're ruining everybody's morning nope you need to stop right this second all. I'm encouraging you Bob Bob you know that this is not a thing that we need in our lives. You happy what is happening. But Bob Hollis you need you need to Jill your food you need to chew your food. I need to find a way to make a personal development analogy out of. I'm not chewing your food so that we can no. I don't I just need to laugh the fact that you're a small human who likes to keep her mouth open with breakfast Taco anyway. If you come to the House Co Holiday Party today just know that I am going to be wearing a safari hat. I'm going to have binoculars on and I'll be sitting in in a purse like I'm on a safari and I'm GONNA be watching for wild animal behavior because I'm GONNA be sober at the Party can't wait and I can't wait also not that You need to have alcohol to be a good dancer but I need alcohol to be a good dancer. So get ready for my dance moves because sober Dave dancing to the greatest. Dj this side of the old miss is going to be a thing. I am telling you I'm GONNA break out all of the over over by robot I'm going to be doing all those things and they aren't going to be fueled by what normally was fueling. My dancing moves which was basically vodka. What happened you're just a character? You really are everyone here. Thinks that you what I bought. Oh you're coming right back. Okay have a Good Friday. We'll see we'll see you tomorrow. Oh you're gonNA get your shoes. I hear I hear coughing. Rachel Hollis Ladies and gentlemen making a cameo on today's morning show. It's Rachel Hollis. Ms Cedar Fever for this is amazing. We are so excited ladies and gentlemen who who knew that a Rachel. Hollis Cameo is in store for us today. This is amazing. Oh Wow so anyway the music's GonNa Start like the beats it's GonNa be like boom boom boom boom and I'm going to be like what is that is that the beat is that the beat. Is that the beat. And I'm going to start doing this move. This is my. This is my move. I just start like boom boom boom boom and I'm GONNA I'm not gonNA stop. Just GonNa Dance Dance. Dance my hartaway and welcome to Friday. Listen if you just stumbled into this you like. What is this dumpster fire? Is this what happens every day on the start today morning show. Yes yes yes it is. Welcome grab a skewer Sa- marshmallows and let's make some s'mores the dumpster fire. That is the start today morning. Show welcomes you from the the illustrious color-coded studios the hill country of Texas. I'm happy to have you my name. Is Dave Welcome. We went to dinner last night. Went to dinner last night and in going to dinner last night we went around the table. Our Friends Sammy and beans. Things are here Beans is the hostess of the rise conferences The MC I think they call it more professionally and Sammy. who used to work at the company is the person who is behind the scenes helping produce the event Person named Rosie is in town. Rosie was the human who was working on the marketing side of things back when it was still called Sheikh in La. She and her husband were unable to move out to Austin Texas. She's amazing and while we have someone on maternity she stepping in to bridge this person leaving on the marketing side while she does does the work so beans and and Sammy and Rosie in town we go and we have a conversation around dinner and Sushi. It was oh it was so delicious and in the conversation and the question of what was your best memory of two thousand. Nineteen is thrown to the table. And we're going around the table answering what was what was the most important profound. What stood out as a thing in the midst of two thousand nineteen for you and we started with Sammy? Sammy said this beautiful thing about a trip to Mexico and we said then beans and beans had this amazing observation. Rosie had this amazing memory of her husband. Sammy beans having and Rachel. Rachel had this like beautiful memory of when we nude our vows on a hillside in Ireland perfection and the thing that I That identified as one of my one hundred percent best and most impactful questions. Our experiences of two thousand nineteen was the feeling of coming down. The Gondola after are we finished our thirteenth ascent during the Everest expedition that we went on where we climbed. Twenty Nine Thousand and twenty nine feet I know we talked about it a lot when it happened. But a few months back we climbed up and down this hill for thirty five hours and the thirty fifth hour. The last climb of that hill for me stood out in two thousand nineteen as the thing that had one of the biggest and most profound around impacts of for me on the year. And here's why and why I want to bring it up. I pushed myself in that exercise to do something that was unbelievably beyond anything. I would have ever contemplated I was capable of doing and in in having pushed myself further than was previously believed possible for me I reset. What is possible for me going forward? And it's not a thing that I recognized was going to be the outcome of climbing this mountain but Dang it as I sit in December on December Twelfth Health and now December thirteenth of two thousand nineteen and look back on what was what were the most important things that happened in two thousand nineteen as much as there were plenty not of things where all we went on the trip. We had this great meal. We had this opportunity to do this earlier. Like standing backstage at a rise event. Believe me there were so many things that I could have picked but I picked this one thing. That was the feeling of completely reframing what I am capable. Table of persevering through because of the power of that experience resetting. What I believe? I am capable of pushing through any day day of the week and twice on Sundays as I look forward to twenty twenty right yesterday we were hanging out together. Talk about the fact that we are heading into the twenties. We are heading into a new decade right and as you walk into this New Year as you think about what is possible for your life as you cast a vision for for who you hope to be as you cast vision for what you want in this life if you aren't currently pushing yourself beyond the boundaries of what you think possible possible you may not cast a big enough vision and so part of what I loved about that experience was I had eh in pushing myself way beyond what I thought was possible what I had as a gift and a curse a gift and curse out of that experience. The gift was wow. You are capable of doing way more than you ever thought you could in the curse was if you ever choose to decide to settle for something. That's unbelievably less than what you now know you are capable love love you are actively choosing mediocrity. What a gift and a curse right the knowledge that I have though of what I'm capable of ax? It's now as a as a as a as a threshold that I have to live up to. It acts as a as a bar that I have to every single day. Remind myself you've shown shown yourself how much you can do. You've shown yourself that you're capable of doing more than you believe you've shown yourself in the face of thinking on the second ascent that there was. There's no way you could finish thirteen that you had eleven more in you and now that you know this truth if you deny the this knowledge the existence out of your body you're choosing mediocrity and so as you walk in it's one hundred twenty right if you can reframe the way that things things that happen to you in your past actually are preparing you or have already prepared you to go into twenty twenty to go into the twenties and chase something bigger than in do something harder than you think you are capable of. Then you will but if you haven't yet had an experience that pushed you beyond your limits and have framed the way that push beyond your limits. His now not up to forever think differently about what your limits are about how you can persevere through about what it is about. How in twenty twenty goal all setting and achieving things more audacious and bigger than? You are comfortable with our a thing that is for you. That is a part of your journey. Then you'll set goals goals that are more easily attainable that are as aligned with what you historically been able to do. You push yourself past what you think you can. So you've gotta decide we got. It's what is it December thirteenth. We got seventeen eighteen days. Eighteen days left in this year. You're in this decade right. You're going to have some time to do some thought. I hope that you can do what I gotta do. Break away and find some clarity but if you can't at a minimum sit around a table of people that you care about an ask a simple question. What was the most profound important impactful experience experience of this past year? That informs how you're going to walk into two thousand twenty and if your answer is one of hopelessness helplessness. You need to refrain your story if your impactful story of two thousand and one thousand nine is something that brings you shame or brings you guilt or brings you pain or brings you a belief in how you've been held back you are setting the stage for twenty twenty in a way that does not serve you. Some of you have gone through terribly miserable things and I am not trying in any way to minimize the thing that you've been through but you have to decide now that you're standing on the other side of having survived those terribly miserable things if the story of survival is one of victimhood or Vic tour right you are on the other side of it you were on the other side side of it. It didn't get you it didn't kill. You didn't take you down in not having got you. It's prepared you if you believe. That's the story. It's prepared you if you believe. That's the story so when you think sit around the table go and have a glass of wine. I'M NOT GONNA judge having sparkling water last night but as as you sit around your table right and someone asks you what were the most impactful moments of the year and you've been through something terrible miserable. People people treated you in a way that you don't deserve to be treated. You tried something and failed scale. That is unbelievable. Someone was unfaithful to you. You someone was mean to you fired for no good reason. Whatever the whatever it is if the story that you're telling around that terrible thing thing is a hopeless story? The chances of you telling a hopeful story of what's going to happen in twenty twenty is near impossible. I love you I I promise it is so much more difficult for you to reach for a hopeful story. If the way you've attached any kind of any anything a motive to anything that's happening in two thousand nineteen is hopeless. If you have a hopeless view of what happened this past year your opportunity for hopeful things these to happen is compromised. Hope in the present is power in the future. Less Brown hope in the present is power in the future. If you'll be hopeful it feeling for what sorry hope in the future is power in the present hope in the future is power in the president so if you have a hopeful vision of what's possible for you in two thousand twenty you can be powerful in how you stand your posture today. We'll be powerful. Hope in the future is power in the present present said by a guy named Les Brown. He's fire-breathing powerful speaker. Gay Hope in the future pound present but if the story that you have coming out of your past is hopeless the chances that you have a hopeful vision for what's possible in your future or compromised and in that compromise states states it will reduce it will compromise the power. You have right this second so you have to reframe. You have to think differently about how what you've been through through is changed. You is prepared. You has made you someone who has a survivor. Standing on top of the triumph of those terrible things is now ready to go. Do all the things and it's A. It's a hard choice man. I know it's a hard Dave I don't feel like I know there's days where I don't feel like I could either. I have been through a crazy year. It has been the greatest year of my adult life and it has been the hardest year of my adult life life. I have made choices that I'm not necessarily proud of at the beginning of this year. I was drinking a lot to deal with the anxiety of doing this work with Rachel to deal with the anxiety of the business growing so fast to deal with anxiety frankly of coming on and feeling like I could do a good job on a morning show right and I made a decision man. I did not do that but when I think about my choices to cope when I think about my choices to cope differently I am proud I have I have a narrative around the bad decisions that I made and the good ones I made out of the bad that have giving me a hopeful story about what I've been through this year in a way that allows a hopeful possibility of what's going to happen in two thousand twenty a reality right. I am comfortable talking about what has gone wrong because the value that signed those bad things are positive. I'm not proud of the way I wasn't showing up for my life over the last three years but I'm comfortable now. Assigning positive value to what I learned learned from having Doug my own ditch and then getting comfortable living inside of it right just because I was there. Her doesn't mean I'm a broken person doesn't mean that I am a victim of I was there. I WanNa honor the fact that I was there. I want to learn. Learn from what I what what led to me being there and in learning from it turn it into power so the story have in what happened. This past year is as much anchored in my having pushed myself past what I believe to be possible and doing a lot of work on storytelling. I see someone's comet easier said than done. Yep It is easier said than done. It is easier said than done like this isn't is it like. Oh if you just wish on a star it's going to be easy and happy if you could find a picture of a Unicorn and put up that says believe in your dreams everything will be fine no so it is easier than done easier. said it is easier said than done. Of course it is. I have to do this every day. And every day I don't wake up like you know what I am super stoked to go out and try and lead this team to try and do this morning show to try and write these books record these podcasts but uh I have to choose. Am I on this planet to do this work if I am then. What if I am interested in the life after? I suggest that I want then I need to do these things. And it's easier said than done but I still have to just decide to do it. You're going to have to make that decision vision to it. Starts by looking back on how you pushing yourself into situations that were harder than you thought. You could ever overcome Tom. We're for you that they changed the psychology of your ability to be resilient your ability to get back up your ability to persevere through conditions you. You didn't think you could handle and frankly you didn't deserve but you not deserving the bad thing didn't make it not happen it's still happened and I hate to break this to you because man I've done so much work on myself and I feel great about who I am and what I'm doing today. It doesn't stop bad things from happening in my life every we day anyway. I'm just changing the way that I think about those bad things being an opportunity for me to grow instead of being an indictment on me being bad or somehow maybe victim victim to life not showing up the way. I'd hope happy Friday the thirteenth. Everybody I mean why am I yell and yell talking. It's only the eight thirty in the morning. What is going on Y'all this morning we've had a sick Rachel Hollis we've had no Hollis demonstrating how to eat the breakfast Taco like a champion and suggesting four times that she would be right back a little storytelling and more than anything? I hope a call for you to think about the kind of work you might WanNa do between now and nineteen days from now when we turn the corner into new decade and ask some questions what what were the most impactful things that happened in this past year and ask you talk about them really pay attention to whether you have assign positive or negative attribution to those impactful things. They may have in fact. been things that you did not deserve. No Oh and deserves some of the things that you have been through but they still happened so having happened how can we find positive attribution for your surviving them for your getting shell for you getting a muscle because of having had it broken down right do that work. It's going to change the way a honestly that you approach thinking about. What's possible for you in two thousand twenty nine thousand nine days left? y'All we've got nineteen days is left. y'All it's time you know it's time to think about what kind of twenty twenty you want and how you you start the way that you think about. It is going to be framed in large part about how you associate value of two thousand nineteen. I want everyone to have a fantastic Friday. If you're wondering what I'm doing an I just remember safari have binoculars taken notes on how I'm not really going to. I'm just going to have a great time at a holiday party. I'm a dance without alcohol and I'm going the celebrate a year of years for the sixty three employees at the Hollis company and all of their partners. We're going to get our dance on and then get everybody home safe. I want everyone to have a fantastic Friday. We will see you on Monday. I can already tell you. Go ahead and put it in your calendar Rachel Hollis is doing QVC UV. See on Monday and I'm not saying she's doing a segment. She is doing a twenty four hour segment on. QVC On on Monday. Twenty four hours. Twenty four hours. She has four solid hour segments and every hour of the twenty four pops in for a few minutes. Let's go. It's just a warning because I am going to come in hot fire hot and you better be ready for a little Solo Dave time for Monday Tuesday. Yes she is travelling back and forth to Pennsylvania. Have yourself a fantastic Friday. If you do believe in thirteenth and bad luck then you are choosing to go route two day on a mission to have your hypothesis validated. 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Why on earth did the Blue Jays acquire Daniel Vogelbach? (Ep. 82)

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Why on earth did the Blue Jays acquire Daniel Vogelbach? (Ep. 82)

"The big train they train. The game here come the big rain. Rain. Rain big train in the game. Zor, Johnson was his name. A hard fastball ever throw. Made Randy Johnson's look clocking was skipping stones. Lived Bethesda on old Georgetown road. The greatest pitcher baseball's ever no. Eighty two second one, thirty of your host Mark Collie as always I'm joined by Bryson and Jacob how are you guys do great my career not bad Jacob. Gold. Yeah I've got some. Very warm weather where I am so stuck in the. Fight makeshift studio not so great but I'm enjoying it and it's been a little bit. We haven't recorded since last Saturday's we record this on Monday but the Blue Jays have been doing very very well, they won six in a row not doing so hot now is they're losing to the reasons we record this they've already lost to to the raise, but I guess we can start things off with a conversation about this win streak and how it's kind of change the dynamic of this team because now. You know we see the Blue Jays with you know a sixty four percent chance at making the postseason according to five thirty eight a seventy percent chance of making the postseason according to baseball reference I, think five thirty or excuse me fan graphs old bit lower than those two. But now we have some recognition of the Blue Jays in postseason contention in the playoff picture in the wild card picture. Whereas you know even just one week ago we were not talking about this I. Mean we've talked about on this podcast before of how both pricing and I didn't think the blue. Jays can make the postseason Jacob thought that could So what do you guys think of this? Do you guys think of a sixty four percent or seventy percent chance to make the postseason fair? Is it overestimating too much? Has that much really changed with the Blue Jays to make them postseason team? What do you think I? Think it definitely has to an extent. Just. Because this past week itself, not only to the Jays have a massive win streak, but they were consistent and pretty much every game they played obviously they lost. They've lost the past couple of games this past weekend when they're playing right now to attempt to split the series with the raising a four-game sat but other than those two games, Ajay's of loss. If you look back to earlier in the week, they were consistent throughout the way and as they keep you know pitch is a keep playing while the the odds up and the. On the telecast later in the playoff odds for the eight in the Al. so pretty much the worst case scenario for any team to get in the American league and essentially just have to outplay Baltimore Kansas City Detroit and the L. Angels. Those are pretty much the only teams are those are the biggest threats for them in terms of getting the eight them there's a bunch of other teams that are a little bit below, but those are pretty much teams that are all doable for Jays to outperform. and. According to fan graphs as well it's fifty four point six percent for the Jays and that is like the biggest number out of all the teams in the next number is eighteen percent for the Baltimore oriels and that's a massive drop. So you can see how there's actually a lot of optimism and a lot of hype for this team after this past week. So you know going back to earlier in the week they they swept the the orioles and the pitching was while the offense is starting. It's starting to show up the first game was seven to. Eight to the next game five two is the third game which was the sweep and pretty much got. You know Randall Grischuk is another one who was pretty much leading the way that week who was just hitting homerun after Homerun, in both games of the series in Baltimore he was leading the way. You had a good start from Hanjin. Rio on Monday and had a good start from a few days ago as well. So it's good to see that he's been consistent. He's pretty much the only pitcher that's actually thrown. You know I would say at least six innings just because it feels like every other pitcher has not really going deep into ballgames where we're GONNA be talking about that later of teaser there. But the J. swept the orioles in crucial crucial series that's pretty much where they passed them. They had to make up for the double header earlier to make up to out of the three games they lost against the phillies when the phillies had their outbreak a few weeks go. So they had a quick double header in buffalo and they went to, of course, the game was the game that everyone remembers most is when they came back from eight nothing, which was another crazy crazy comeback we pretty much never. Expected to happen and in that way. In that way, rowdy to leads was actually the one who led the way went three for four with an RBI in three home run are sorry three R B is one home run and went through for four on the day. So he was the one that pretty much got the comeback started, and then that takes us to Thursday through this past Monday where they've been spending time with the trump, they win the first game lost the next two in the now, they're trying to split the series today on Monday August, twenty fourth. So this team's been pretty consistent throughout the way obviously a few hiccups this weekend. They lost an extra innings again are served the first game. They want an extra as the second game there extra inning woes continued. They lost two one that was kind of a you know that was pretty much their worst game of the week offensively and yesterday they put up four runs, but it wasn't enough and as we speak, they are currently playing the Tampa Bay rays in the bottom of the sixth inning. So a great week for the as you can see. Lots of lots of ups and lots of positives pretty much. You know pretty much outweighs all the negatives even there's only been a few lots of players have been leading the way and just when you thought when Boba, shot went down the big injury which we haven't even been able to talk about yet. That was pretty much a massive blow to at the time for any sort of playoff chances that we all imagined. So the fact that the offense has been They've been stepping up. Its crucial for this team in order to you know I don't want to say survive but they WANNA get by day by day and hopefully you know get over that five hundred mark and as I mentioned one of the first goals I said last week was to get back to five hundred. They're actually above five hundred for one game another back to five hundred. Today will be the deciding factor if they go over or under again. So lots of building blocks step-by-step at the are in it. They've been in the entire time. They just haven't been playing to their fullest extent and I think this week we've seen a consistent effort from them in clearly if they wanNA, keep playing like this. There's no reason why they shouldn't be in that seat at the worst for the playoff race. I think the the playoffs I said a couple episodes ago that I was very optimistic in the episode after which was last week I was a little less optimistic but. I. You know what? I'm going to have to change my mind again because you look at where they were last week versus where they are right now over five hundred a couple of days ago. Now they're they're back at five hundred, but that is still a lot better than where they were. Last Saturday when we last recorded and When you think about who they're looking to compete against in the playoffs obviously I think it's fair to say that the white sox are going to take that last seed. In the AL cy all their third in the central but they're probably the first seed and then the Blue Jays and the orioles are both five hundred where the oils have one extra wind and one extra loss but. Really if you look at it, the Texas Rangers are seven Games under five hundred. So. I think it's fair to say that from Blue Jays perspective, you're really just competing against the orioles who you can play and you can give yourself kind of the playoff spot by coming by playing better than them, and what's interesting is is their first six game win streak actually since two, thousand, sixteen which. is kind of crazy to think about that. They haven't that in so long but. Obviously I'm happy the. Very good. I think. One. Of the things that I've been very vocal about is how bad defensively I think they've looked whereas this week. I think it's better. We've seen grill with a fantastic Arben the outfield I think Vladimir Guerrero Juniors actually saw settled down a lot defensively and you look at all the individual performances they're starting to translate into team performance isn't helping them actually win relook at tasker. Hernandez, for example, is tied for fourth in the League in home runs where he has ten as of right now, that could change with the game right now. But if it doesn't, he has ten right now and when you think about tied for fourth, technically the leader only has twelve, which is Fernando Tattoos Year. Where he is to below that so even just one home run puts them in second place and. I it's crazy I think the Blue Jays have just they've really settled down. You've seen a lot of great defensive plays especially BDO. He's Offensively look speaking I think he's got nineteen straight games where he's been on bass. Crack Morongo I'm pretty sure it's it's upper its upper teens but. I think overall team has looked very good. They've they have had a little bit of luck where you look back at those games against the phillies and even the raise the both teams of made a few defensive errors. That have helped the Blue Jays win, but they're taking over. There taking advantage of their their opposers missteps at I. think that's definitely what the team has to do, and they're they're starting to not. kind of they're trying, they're starting to not lose to themselves. They're starting to win games based on their abilities, but they're also taking advantage of other people and they're. The things that they're doing wrong but they're also they're not. Giving away games by throwing the ball away or not running the bases properly. There's just honestly. I'm very happy with what I've seen. Obviously they've. Hopefully, they don't lose today against the raise but if they do, that will be three straight losses but still one game under five hundred where you think back to a week ago when they were. Five Games under they were. They were far under five hundred right now. I'm very pleased with what I've been seeing. You on the head, they're no longer losing to themselves, and that's a very good way to put it. The luck has kind of turned. I think some of the earlier losses that we saw you know we saw close games I think there's been ten games this season that have been tied in or within one run in the seventh inning or later for the Blue Jays and when you look at the fact that you know they've only played twenty six games season they're working on their twenty-seventh as we speak. It's it's remarkable how close a lot of these games have been. So for the Blue Jays I think the luck has turned a little bit. A lot of those games could have gone either way the Blue Jays for making stupid mistakes whether it be on the base pass whether it be. In the defensive side of things but they've stopped making those mistakes, the luck has been on their side at least over the past few games and that's changed the dynamic a little bit when it comes to the postseason though I'm still not optimistic I know like I just read off baseball referencing sixty, four, percent five, thirty, eight saying up there I don't believe it. You know I I think this team. Yeah. Things were firing on all cylinders for six games. But now we have two games and half of third showing that maybe they aren't quite. Ready to take that next step I think this team got lucky but I think it's very easy for the luck to turn and right now we're going to have this conversation later but the pitching is not there it still performing well, but you have a lot of struggles in terms of. In terms of management problems I. I don't see this team as team still and I'll stick to that and I know you guys might disagree and I know it's pessimistic but I honestly just don't see them as a competitive team this year. Yeah. They'll. They'll be a five hundred team but and maybe that is enough to make the postseason but I'm sticking with my original assumption of. Saying the Blue Jays will not make the postseason. So well, what will it take for you to someone earth the titus start to turn for you for them for you to be you know believing them for possibly making the playoffs what will it take Well, I I mean, we saw their odds of making postseason increased by thirty percent over the last week. I honestly I know it's a short season I know six game winning streak is the equivalent of sixteen game winning streak in the regular season. But I just don't see the correlation between winning six teams and thirty percent increase in the postseason odds. I think. The Blue Jays got lucky I don't think those winds were because of only their own talent of course, some of those winds were great wins the nine eight gaming against Philadelphia phillies. is one that comes to mind. But I think a lot of these games you know it's just flip of a coin and Jews have gone lucky. I haven't seen enough to indicate that they are winning off of their own talent and that's not to knock the bluejays. Team we know they're going to be a great team in years to combat. Just don't think they totally have it this year to answer question Bryson what will it take to see them as postseason team were approaching the trade deadline trades have already been made the blue jays acquiring Daniel Vogel Block they're looking at pictures I think if they make a move. On the trade market, I think that could convince me I think if we see they're pitching get shored up. If we see Charlie Montoya letting guys get deeper into the Games if we see guys coming back from the injured list whether it's you know Jason Anderson pitching to his full potential whether it's Matt Shoemaker. Now who's You know not not a healthy whether it's trend Thorton. Who's also not healthy. If we see some of these guys become healthy or if we see an influx of pitching in terms of traits, I think that will change my mind. Yeah. The the pitching has definitely been depleted. It will be interesting to see on August thirty first just again a completely. Trail will be out of sorts. It's going to be something. So unpredictable, you're going to see more. One for one trade player for player trades you know you're not GonNa see sewn completely deplete their farm system for one month of a player in a sixty game season knock reality this year by the Jason like you said, they've been destroyed with injuries and regardless of their competing or not. You have to imagine them Ross Atkins will pick up we'll have no choice but to pick up the phone but. You know going back to this week they've been. You know they have been consistent. It'll be interesting to see because I didn't even Buck Martinez said it today on the broadcast and it was something that I think I briefly mentioned a few months ago regardless if there's percentages everywhere expectations everywhere, it's really up to the front office if they want to take this year seriously at all because they could easily somewhat get into the playoffs this year sneak into the playoffs and the for. Front. Office can easily believe that they're still not ready to contend, and then they can go back to twenty twenty one just maybe selling not as much. But maybe at a state where you're not buying you still kind of building depth, you're still developing your players. So it'll be interesting to see how the front office believes in this team. Do they really think legitimate chance of making the playoffs you know with what are their long term plans beyond twenty twenty and that's GonNa be the deciding factor and we're only one week away from actually finding. With the trade deadline being next week so. They got Daniel Vogel back last night. Something that probably we didn't really expect at the time because if you're going to make a trade right now. You'd have to imagine it was gonna it's GonNa be for pitchers and the demand for pitchers around the league. Entirely itself is probably through the roof as well because we're seeing injuries all over the place for pitchers everywhere across the League. Most notable was uh Stephen Strasburg a few days ago he's been shut down for the season. You know other pitchers like Justin Berliners shut down and we know the story on the Jays in terms of how many. Pitches have been down Matt, shoemaker Napier's and Trent Thornton, Chase Anderson. All four names of them they've been in the rotation at some point this year. So it'll be interesting to see and we still don't really know what the front office believes. Of course they're going to tell the media that they think they can win but do they truly believe they can win and if they do truly think. They can win how aggressive will they will Ross Atkins really be next week and if if it takes a few trades for two or for you mark to kind of get onboard then I guess definitely not the only one I'm I'm sure a lot of fans including myself are starting to get really really interested to see are curious about next week because I really have no idea what's going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if they make nothing but I just started the Daniel Vogel Backtra last night kind of threw me off a bit by There's still one week until the trade deadline's up. So I don't know if you have anything more to add, but that's pretty much. My thoughts there. Yeah. See It's interesting that you mentioned whether you think the front office is going to do anything to be completely honest I. Don't think they're going to do anything regardless of whether they believed the Blue Jays can win or not. In this year I think a lot of what you'll see is probably something like the Vogel Back Trade where you're not going to give up a prospector. Really cash. Yeah. Or? If they WANNA, do one of those future consideration trades will see but. The E if. I think all they're really GONNA do is that they're not really gonNA trade anybody because I mean, you really trade prospects because no nobody's really playing on the shared the majors right now and I. Feel like I said this last week I really do think they wanna see what they have this year before they do make any trades weather it's next deadline or maybe this off season. Definitely. Twenty twenty one off season but it's just I. If the Blue Jays make the playoffs I, think it's definitely possible this year but it'll have to be on based off of the roster that they have right now I really don't think anybody is going to. Make money make any trades if they want to acquire like I said Vogel backward to very low risk high reward will potentially higher award deal than I think they'll go for it. I think that's what Ross Atkins kind of known for but it you're not really going to see many big trade regardless of whether they're you know in the race sir, they clearly have a lead on team or whatever. I? Think it's just going to be you know this is the roster. They win but we're not gonNA. Make any moves until. A year now or maybe even a little bit over a year from now, let's talk a little bit more about the the vocal back trade because Bryson, like you said, it caught me very much off guard We had been hearing rumblings of the tread trade deadline approaching this going to be a team that trying to compete trying to pick up some loose ends and entire off knots on this team and and make it able to compete down the line but. Daniel Vogel Block was not what I had in mind. He's a first baseman designated hitter. He hit thirty home runs last year but only batted two oh, seven or two, hundred, eight, I think this year got off to a horrible start I think he's batting like ninety six or something through about sixty plate appearances. The Mariners designated him for assignment bluejays picking him up as we mentioned for cash considerations caught me off guard very weird deal. I guess there's really no downside to it because you know the Blue Jays probably gave up next to nothing for him and they can either use him as depth on the bench if you start hitting well, of course, you can southern note and designated hitter for space shuffling around in those positions. If you want you can even send him down to the alternative training. site. For some time as extra debt or on the taxi squad. So again, not much downside to this trade but. It. It's kind of weird like I didn't expect it and I don't think really. Sorry coming. Yeah. It's definitely one of those deal letting it was late last night and it just. It caught me off guard a little bit too. I remember I just opened my phone up then I get the tweets from the Blue Jays I. So I was like Oh this is interesting I'll look into that but yeah, I think it's very, very low risk they gave up they didn't give up any players I mean just a little bit of cash but there's a potential for a very good reward obviously, you said last year thirty home runs he he's not going to hit for average I think he's a career what ninety six hitter so. Not very good although I should mention that two thousand sixteen was really his only full year because the other years he had played less than. Twenty Games per season if I remember correctly and even this year, he was the ain't. So it's you. He didn't really play that much but. Something, surprise me despite that really bad average is off base percentage was three forty, one last year and I believe his career is three, twenty six. So just under one every three at bats, he'll get on base which I be. Hey, that's pretty good. What the Jays could definitely benefit from that Some people were thinking that throat instagram in social media looking through things they think that Rowdy Tellez. Is probably going to be. moved. On from I I don't necessarily know what they're gonNA do with without I feel like they still want to. Wait a little bit see what he can do but. I think definitely alternate trading site maybe the taxi squads probably going to be the most likely scenario. The bench if injuries keep piling up is probably. A very good option to I mean it honestly, I think depending on what they do with Guerrero. Do they want to throw him at first base and if they do Vogel back on? The H.. Or are one of them going to take over first base forgave Guerrero D. H. at night I'm not sure but overall I think it's a good trade. There's really nothing that you can be mad about I mean. If he doesn't perform well. then. It's not like can say man I really wish we could get that player back because this was a waste of a trade it's just In either works or doesn't if it doesn't then I mean. Nothing really nothing really to get mad because like I said, they really didn't give much away for it. Yet the trade completely threw me off guard but in terms of his role I think you know I don't I someone I think he's going right to the active roster I I really do. The only the only of a three-man bench right now, and you can't really survive off of that for as long as they have. I. Think That's getting to the point where they are looking at a fourth back to the bench. Now with the corresponding move would be a don't ask me I had no idea. But I think they got him. To come right to the active roster I know he was the fade earlier this week but the trade completely threw me off guard because you know right when I look at it obviously looked at my phone. Right away I was like I. I was I was kind of like I didn't really know what to think about it because. You know in all due respect to Daniel Vogel back there are you know he is not obviously the best seller, but the one thing I didn't even know as he was an all star Lasser that completely threw me off as well and he did he did hit thirty home runs. So he does have power and he was hitting at a pinches friendly ballpark. All Year is well as Tim O. T. Mobile Park. SEATTLE. So that's that's another thing to look at. The moves adults don't understand the need for it is much as something else like pitching. Obviously, this was probably an easier deal to make just because was just a player for cash, and then when you got into it, just it could lead to so many other possibilities maybe the James Aren't done making moves maybe someone like rowdy till as could be possibly moved I was looking at other players maybe even brandon drury because he has the option to play first base and I know he's slotted as a third baseman but many other players on the team can play third base such as tribal shots from playing Santiago has been all COMPLA- play maybe Joe Panic could even play Kevin. bijl complete third but the other thing that will probably keep Brandon Jerry on the rosters maybe the the fact that he completely l. field so I don't know too much about him. You know somebody like Joe Panic, may be I I don't know what the corresponding move is but have like I'm starting to wonder if maybe somebody might be on the. Way Out, and then going back to it as well. You have routing till as you have ladimir grow, junior, Travis, Shaw, all three of them can play first base. So another question I have is how freak winner what's his role exactly going to be other than a bench player because he can definitely come off the bench ed so you know different Times of the game. You know is that always going to do how do you put him into the lineup everyday while keeping someone like a Guerrero Shah in the lineup so that's that's one thing I wanna get to does team not trust? Vladimir grow junior at first base that could be another possibility because The one thing that's kind of caught people's attention past few days Vladimir Grow Juniors pretty much been detaching a lot more frequently this week than he has been playing first base and Charlie was actually asked about that during their lives zoom call meeting. Is Is he injured like what's going on Vladimir grow junior and he just said simply they're just resting him. So that's the other thing I. Don't know why they're keeping trading Vladimir grow junior like a forty year old who's struggling to get by day by day in the major league level he's so he's in year two, but anyways that could be a possibility. Maybe the team doesn't trust at first base by the role for Vogel back just kind of confuses me because you already have rowdy to lead well, who's platooning at Travis Shaw is You know so many other players are just don't know the role for him and then when you want WanNa look at his contract. He he is pre arbitration eligible and he is not a free agent until twenty, twenty five. So the thing that Jay's love team control you definitely have that will vogel back for the next few years by. Definitely interesting move something that I think nobody kind of saw common. But definitely, an easy to make for the Jason it's an addition to the bench by my question is what else? What else is role even though he's only a first baseman in D. H. Yeah I don't think anyone questioning his utility for the Blue Jays I. Think. Everyone realizes what he can be. You know he's exactly what he was last season. Thirty home runs obviously, the two hundred batting average is not great, but you get the power from him and that's why he is valued or was valued by the mariners. So no one's questioning you know his actual talents and if he can be useful for a team for me just like where do you put him like you said bracing you have Vladimir Guerrero junior rowdy delays, even Travis Shaw. They're all the same type of player. So I, don't know where you're finding speech on the roster. If he's coming off the bench it's. Getting regular playing time at first base in flatties getting more time at designated hitter them what you do with rowdy till as so that's a part of this com which confuses me but I guess we'll see what happens but moving onto. A fuller conversation, but the trade deadline since we've seen some rumors come out the Blue Jays earlier today were reported by Jon Morosi of MLB network to be pursuing, starting, pitching, pursuing a piece on additional piece to their rotation Taiwan. Walker is one name that was put out there as connected to the Blue Course Walker one guy. On the mariners who of course, a blue Jays in contact with the Mariners for the Daniel Vogel Bach. Trade. So that's a potential link I. Don't know how much there is talking about here. We know the Blue Jays need pitching. Of course, we're going to talk about that later They have a lot of injuries and even though the pitching hasn't really struggled performance wise you know it will because the pitchers are getting worn down so. I think really, this is all about just. Kind. Of Getting Stopgap for this season, you know stop the bleeding in terms of the starting rotation gives some guys some rest. Maybe even go with a six man rotation for a little bit because you have the twenty eight man roster work with I. think that's what this is about. You have no choice but to go out and make some sort of move after what transpired or what has transpired this season, and especially what has transpired are what happened yesterday because yesterday? was a complete complete massive head to the team. Masses of the team what was going on you lost? Matt. Shoemaker before the game just mysteriously was played. Sunday. The injured list and you know it was determined was the last strain. And Chases I'm sorry turned Thornton left the game as well early because of a elbow problem that he's been dealing with already. So he was already on the injured list once he comes back, he throws one inning and he starts holding his elbow and immediately leaves the game. So to pitchers right there we know nate Pearson Chase Anderson started the year on the Angeles while in this pretty much there. There was pretty much was pretty much it four made the main guys on the entire rotation and surprisingly just because of his past engine review, our hundred rea- sorry has been healthy and that's the one good thing is. Because obviously he is your best pitcher and you know this month he's been pretty much lights out going back to six days ago he threw six innings gave up one earned run struck three only allowed four hits and he about eighty six pitches which reasonable and then going back to a few days ago when he played he also added he also had another good outing where he went five innings giving up three hits, one earned run, and he struck out sex and through ninety four pitchers in five innings. So definitely a high pitch count, but he's pretty much the only pitcher on this team that's thrown. A lot of pitches because everyone seems to be on a limited pitch counter. So you know most of them are getting out of the fifth inning and why I don't know why maybe they're being too cautious. You know with the injuries that's been going on and across the League obviously, the demand for pitching is going to be through the roof. So maybe some it'll depend on how desperate some. Teams are willing to get yesterday's options in the alternate training site, but you still have to look beyond that the one name that we were. Actually, we were actually talking about this last week where Jay when I were signing with Rye Brook Mark You sided with Anthony Cave, who would be the necks long men in the bullpen and possibly get crack the rotation and with the news of. Ryan. Baraki pretty much the J. shutting down the idea that they're exploring him starting anytime soon, they're going to be their only real really willing to keep them the bullpen this season, and if worst comes towards, he might become they might stretch him out a bit but it seems like this year he's just going to be in the bullpen. So going back to you mark, you're the one that. Anthony K should be the next one going and if if the news is true, then I, absolutely agree with you I think Anthony deserves a shot. Now, who if the Jays will do that I'm not sure just because he has been pitching well out of the bullpen maybe something something the Jays don't WanNa mess with other than that. You know the depths there but the depths being tested right now. And it's something where you have to go and you have to get something you don't have to get an ace. You don't have to get somebody who you can get an average pitcher just for depth, which is fine. But the injuries across the rotations just been completely it's it's it's been tough because the matt shoemaker went again came out of nowhere he looked fine when he pitched and then it was determined to get a last rain today. And another one is named Pearson who even before when on the Angeles was struggling and he was placed on a few days ago with inflammation tightness and we don't even know when he'll be back. So this is something that I think that they have no choice but to do and you know someone like Jason Anderson as well as still trying to pitch his way back into things you know he's still not really throwing a lot of innings so. You know the depth being tested but you know I got no choice. But to make something and the good thing is they do have a week to do. So by a tough week as much as Jay's playing while a tough week for the injuries and hopefully you hope it can stop. But unfortunately happening all across the game and you really don't know when it will stop or if it will stop at all. Yeah I think. You're correct I think the the problem with. The. Blue Jays like you said, how many injuries they've had saw yesterday's game against the rays where Trent Thornton he Before the game you could see of him kind of pinching his arm Y- felt discomfort in. Obviously you only lasted the one inning. You've seen that what's his? Name Matt Shoemaker has done off the injured list Nape Pearson you've just seen so many guys that you kind of expected to eat up innings for you. Go Down with injuries and Somebody's going to have to take those innings up somebody's going to have to start, and that will probably be like you mentioned somebody that's been a long man in the bullpen but then you have to address the question of who is going to take that role in the bullpen. Do you want to like I said put along man in the rotation weren't you WANNA trade for somebody and that's probably what's going to happen I know I said, I didn't want any trades to happen but. This has to happen unless. You. Don't even know what the other option is. He just you don't have pictures that's the problem just you've lost too many guys so they're going to have to do that But yeah. Other than that. I mean you can look for your taxi squad but again, you just you're depth is being tested beyond I think what anybody else expected. So if they aren't to go bigotry, then I think they'll run into a lot of problems of. They want to use an opener will then. How you deal with the other days where you're not using an opener and your relievers are kind of way overused, are you gonNA to? Designate guys that are going to pitch in an opening game or an opener style game or you're GonNa have guys that are specifically for those games. And then what do you do when I struggle? You know a guy like last night we're yesterday afternoon Richard Thornton only lasted eating you need Longman, and if all your long men are saved for tomorrow's opening game while than you have a lot of problems on your hand. So I, think yet pitch I? Mean it's tough because like I said it. Pitching, in such high demand and I mean. We're probably not going to see any. Prospect type trades where you trade, you know a few second rounders were. A triple double guy for a reliever or a starter you're you're you kind of have to go either for cash future considerations or major leaguers so It's tough I think trae taft be made but as of With respect to what is actually going to be done I I really don't know and I think it'll be tough for them. The Front Office to figure this out but Like you said Bryson, they gotta stop the bleeding, and if you know God forbid hundred Henry goes down well then like. You, you just don't have enough pictures to get to the season period, but say they do qualify for the playoffs. Swept instantly if all of their pitchers or even. The guys that they would have relied on in the bullpen are with injuries just it's not sustainable if they will just have the pitching. Yeah, totally agree with all that it's pitching is the key weakness of this team not that it's bad. It's just injuries and I mean so far it hasn't heard the Blue Jays much but they've got twenty seven games in twenty six days. I think it is twenty, eight and twenty seven, but they are very busy over the next. You know I think it's seventeen eighteen days. So they need pitching to supplement what they're trying to do, which is make a push the postseason at the same time I don't expect the Blue Jays to. Go all in. You know in any trade whether it's for pitching whether it's for a guy like Daniel Bach I don't expect them to go all in on anything I that they're going to. You know chip away at the coroner's maybe they trade less important guys like we were talking about ready to let maybe on the trading block may be some prospects that they don't care about that much. Maybe like we saw with the Daniel Vogue about trade with just giving up cash for the player but I don't think we're gonNA see big pieces moved because this season. Ultimately. It's not that important. It's a sixty game season. They're way ahead of schedule in terms of competition. So. I think you know they're gonNA play it safe in terms of the front office they won't be looking for big pitching pieces. We'll be looking for stopgaps guys like Taiwan Walker, ease a rental but you know he hasn't pitched more than fourteen innings combined over the last two years. So He's a guy that the blue jays might be looking at, but he's not gonNA come at a high price. So they'll be looking at guys like that who can help stop bleeding but won't be expensive and probably don't have a role with this team in the future. Part of the reason that the Blue Jays are struggling pitching. Wise at least in my opinion is Charlie Montolio and that's a conversation that we wanted to have because Montoya has been pulling pitchers very early from the game whether it be in the fifth inning whether it be when pitchers are only at eighty pitches A lot of these pictures have been pulled and in fact, only two pitchers match maker and high engine you have made it into the sixth inning this season for the blue. Jays. So a lot of people have been talking about how the pitching has gotten worn down how it has been a problem. For the Blue Jays on a lot of people have been blaming the warn down and tired pitching on Charlie Manteo. So what do you think about this? Do you think it is Montoya's fault that he's been pulling guys too early in the game that the pitching has been getting worn down do you WANNA see pitchers get deeper in the game or do you think he's playing it safe doing the right thing when you have an expanded roster to you know take it a little bit easier on your pitchers and give them a little bit more of resting time not as many pitches in and outing. What do you think? Yeah it just puts on tough position but the one thing you have to look at is it's not like everyone staying healthy. A lot of the pictures are going down to begin with. So I don't know. I. Don't know what the strategy or I. Don't know how much it's really paying off other than hundred, Rio? He's been pretty much the only one like I said that's been throwing a lot of pitches a he hasn't really been going deep the deep. He did six innings six days ago. So he did he did go pretty deep into the game had a high pitch count and a few days ago he threw five. Innings any through over ninety pitches like I said earlier. So that's another thing to look at, and then if you WANNA go to another start this week with Nate Pearson he threw eighty-one pitches in four innings so that one I guess you can't blame him there but he just had another high pitch count in he unfortunately struggled allowing five earned runs. That's another start this week, and if you WANNA go to another one. Another one from the double header against the phillies are starting another win against Orioles this week ten, Roark, he threw ninety four pitchers and five innings. So that's also a good sign. Of Work in that day, and now if we wanted the double header against the Phillies The double header against the Phillies Chase Anderson, he threw seventy eight pitches in three point, two innings and allowed one earned run. So he threw another that was another high pitch count from him, and then game too was when trend Thorton guy lit up like a Christmas, tree in a two thirds of an inning that pitch count was low he just did not pitch well at all. So and if you WANNA go to this weekend as well with Matt. Shoemaker. On Thursday he threw matchmaker through seventy four pitchers and five innings and allowed to earn Ryan. So he that's a quality start from him which was good and then you know. I mentioned the start and the rest is the rest goes on. So it's not like the pitcher's weren't throwing the live there i. think most of the pictures this week were they just had a high pitch count but Charleston toilet you could still very cautious and very conservative pulling his pitchers out of the game early I just you know, I don't. Know if the strategy working as well, we've seen bullpens that sometimes he's mismatch the bullpen a few times you know, what's this bullpen tragedy to begin with? Anyway, a lot of people don't even know and I've mentioned it before and I've seen other people are mentioned as you just picking names out of a hat or kind of closing his eyes in choosing. A random person on the the line of card I I. Just I. Don't know. But I think the injuries haven't helped. The deficit is going to be tested regardless by you have to kind of question a little bit which are they doing this week? I. Don't feel bad from because or I don't blame him as much. Sorry to correct that just because the pictures happen throwing a lot of pitches but going back the few weeks ago. They weren't throwing a lot and they were pretty much barely getting out of the fifth innings. So that's kind of something that we've seen all year, but you have to imagine almost a month into the season our almost halfway through it actually you have to imagine that the pitchers would are going to throwing a little bit more or maybe they're still cautious because of what's been going on around the game maybe it's something you can't avoid maybe something that we just see all year but I don't know I know a lot of people still are sold on Charlie toil. His bullpen skills a lot of people blame the extra innings lost a few days ago. So I it's definitely tough to work within. Of course, he's got a lot of options to look on the line credit i. think that kind of maybe overthinking it because of all the options he has and maybe he's trying to be too strategic I'm not sure but this week we did see a little bit or the pitcher's work a little bit more and I think pitch count was stopping them this week rather than going past a certain innings limit. Yeah. I I think honestly it's just GONNA depend on A. Your pitch count and be the quality of your pitches if you're clearly struggling than. You should just keep amid until he gets a pitcher gets into the seventh inning because if you're you're not doing well then. I'd rather wait a game than. Have a pitcher gave up eight earned runs over seven innings but I like how you mentioned the easing guys into the season because. I was thinking of two hours thinking, yes. Obviously had spring training and that was kind of delayed by. Four months or something, and then you had the two week training camp and like you said, we're halfway into the season. So I mean how many starts is it gonNA take for a guy to make for you to feel comfortable with them pitching you know a little bit later into a game and it's just It's really confusing me because you look guys like review and whatnot he was obviously the opening day starter and he's made. I believe six starts. So it just it's confusing to me why You know you've got these guys who? You you're just not letting pitch deep into ball games even though it they've had time to kind of warm up being passed starts I mean obviously the bat shoemaker. With injury pass you don't want to overwork him in with Pearson being so young. You don't WanNa. You're. GonNa have a shorter leash with him but. It just. I think he does need to keep guys in a because of that. But also because you don't want overworked the bullpen because we've seen. It's great that they have so many log men but. There's only so many innings that a bullpen can pitch and if you pitched three innings or even like one or two innings in a game today. Asking you to do the same thing tomorrow is you know it it's just not sustainable for a full season and I think. It's a very conflicting position to be because like I said, you do have you. Guys that are trying to pitch deep into games. But if they're struggling, you gotta take him out or if they're pitch count gets too high to take out but at the same time so many pitchers on the roster that you can trust and it's just. it's a really tough situation, but I mean especially with the injuries to the starting rotation I think that's like honestly the worst thing that could have happened to them right now because. You Know Pearson Matt Shoemaker all out with injuries and it's just. It's tough because now you have guys that needs to take a take over those idiots like I said, the last you want is to have a situation where you rely on having an opener one, every x number of days because. The like I say you should do not have the amount of pitchers that you normally would and trading is going to be a lot harder It's it's tough. I feel like if a guy is throwing well, you got to keep them in for as long as you can. If he struggles different story but it just. It's definitely hard to watch especially if the guy's doing well and he's out of the fifth dating because there's ninety, two it if you're bullpens taking over nearly half of that every day or every other day every whatever eventually they're going to burn out and you just that's not sustainable for a playoff run but be just played baseball that's not that's not sustainable. You cannot rely on your bullpen that much and expect good results every time I mean it's been pretty good so far I mean we've seen Anthony Bass's kind of stepped away from the closer role limit the pitching. In those situations as much but I've I've seen tomato AJ. Cole they've looked pretty good but like I said eventually. The overworking of the players will start to get to them and I just really hope we don't get to that point but. I mean we'll see what Charlie's able to do today. Obviously. He. Took pitcher out but it just there's only so many innings that. Relievers can can pitch in and it's just it's I would like to see him kind of ride the hot handle a bit more often. If you're GONNA to complain. pitchers not being available out of the bullpen like we saw. More towards the start of the season not so much now, you can't just keep pulling. Starter after five innings when they've only gone eighty pitches, I think of you mentioned Mashing megajoule Jacob UN. Ivanic's he was coasting only at about eighty pitches tanks from the game. brockie comes in closer gives up to runs. Game is tied for for Bluejays. Go onto lose one. That's what I think of when I think of Charlie monitory removing all these pictures from the game early, and I don't know if it's Charlie Montoya's fault if it's a directive from the front office from the high performance, department whether it's Pete Walker. Having this influence, but clearly, this is not working. You know it's a short season. pitchers are at higher risk for injury. Yes. You can't just keep pulling them after five innings. pitchers are supposed to go six innings, seven innings when they are pitching strong and if they have low enough pitch count, just keep them in the game. I don't understand why you pull them early. I just don't get it and it's really frustrating to watch the Blue Jays worn down. And struggling in terms of pitching depth, and then at the same time, you find someone who works find someone who's doing well, who's at eighty pitches through five innings and Charlie. Manteo pulls him from the game. So it's incredibly frustrating to watch and. Again I. Don't know why. But that's part of the reason going back to a earlier conversation with the bluejays are looking for pitching and why they need pitching So I think we're gonNA see the blue. Jays. Lose more games because of pitching as it goes on pitching gets more and more tired and again I got a pin that directly on who have who, whoever is making the decision to remove pitchers early whether it be Charlie Montoya whether it be p Walker whether it be. The high performance department I do not understand it at all. So it's put the Blue Jays tough spot. They've got the injuries. They've got all the worn down pitchers in the bullpen They are now looking on the the trade market for pitchers but I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens if the Blue Jays can continue the success and the ad a week ago when they had their six game winning streak, they can carry it over find that magic again. and. Make the postseason it would surprise me. doesn't sound like you're surprise you guys but. Not as much. Not as much but. You Know I. Think you know if we have to look back on this Jacob definitely put us in our place while if he's right so far he's Pretty close to the prediction. But I, know you're still a little bit more pessimistic I'm a little bit more optimistic not overly sold yet, but I, know Jacob is. Back on the bandwagon for the playoffs. So that's good though Jacob because you did call it I. So I would give you credit if it ended up happening but. Like I said, building blocks as last week, get the five hundred there. Now now, you gotta start making a little bit more of a push if they're capable of it because now they're on the you know the now the right of the edge playoff spot. So it's a plaster looking like a decent chance as of now, but of course, still about a month of the season left so we're only about halfway through it's all connected the postseason race, the pitching. The decision to pull pitchers early, the injuries everything. Comes back to the Blue Jay winning or losing, and we'll see what happens the only thing that doesn't make sense this week. Is the deal for Daniel Vogel Block, and that's what's confusing all of us. But with that I think we'll conclude our episode for today. Thank you listen as always. We appreciate it and could just go ahead and give a rating on I to be greatly appreciated help spread the word but our podcast jazz you can also follow us on social media hat section one, thirty, eight cod or an instagram and twitter, and you can stay up to date with all our future. that. Stay safe and we'll catch. Well Maddix Colfax. Warren, spahn Nolan Ri- in Matthiessen Dizzy. Dean, Negro Lefty Grove was the Betas Pitcher Baseba-. Was the greatest pitcher Baseba-. was. The greatest pitcher baseball's ever no. Here come the big rain big train the game here come the Bay frame pig rain. Here come the big big train in the gay. Zor Johnson was his name.

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Morning Joe 12/22/20

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Machines kenneth private let you machine. Hi say no basis now for seizing machines by the federal government. For two years. They've been trying to get this information to the fbi one fbi. Asia went to what went like this to the witness. I think to the extent that there's an investigation. I think that it's being responsibly and professionally currently within the department the president suggesting that the massive hack may have been carried out by someone else not russia from the information i have. I agree with secretary. Pompeo's assessment it's certainly appears to be the russians. But i'm not going to discuss it beyond that parallel. There is a bridge too far. Even for william bar good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is tuesday december. Twenty second along with joe willie and me. We have white house reporter for the associated press. John mayer learning to get up way too early this week and washington anger for bbc. World news america. Katty kay is with us. We're going to get to the slow moving coup in just a moment but first overnight congress passed one of the largest stimulus packages in the country's history totals two point three trillion dollars and includes not only the nine hundred billion corona virus relief bill but a full government funding package as well the combined bills which include direct payments and unemployment benefits tops out at nearly fifty six hundred pages. It was only given to lawmakers to read yesterday afternoon. Due to some technical issues in the house it passed three fifty nine to fifty three fifty. Republicans voted against it in the senate. It passed ninety two to six. Two republicans missed the vote while six voted against it. Many of them citing the cost of the bill president harassing we have deficit hog. Goodness where you live shoot is that they run up the biggest deficits in us history even before covid the biggest debt in american history. We can now. They're deficit hawks white. How convenient that. Their deficit hawks again with the democrat coming into the president because the presidency because they sure as hell were tough. Said hawks who george w bush was brazil again season so their deficit hawks now and now they don't like mean tweets and they don't like it when anyone uses naughty I have some breaking news. Guys there's going to be a lot of for see over the next four years from the very people who brought us donald trump and aided and abetted the last four years. You have ron johnson. The other day saying guys. We can't give people twelve hundred dollars. This government does not write blank checks. We're not a piggy bank all of a sudden. They've found their fiscal discipline. It's extraordinary jay. Sherman's here with us. He's the senior writer at politico. Co-authors playbook also an msnbc political contributor. J good morning. So how did this come together in the final hours and why did those six republicans who voted no vote now. Well you put it well They are regaining their religion. Let's say on a debts deficits and fiscal discipline. Which i imagine will be Will sweep through the republican party over the next couple years but listen i will say this does show. I mean to the extent if we could take anything good from this. This these last eight months does show that got. The congressional leadership is still working in some way shape or form because at the end of the day. If you think about it. It's tuesday last. Tuesday was mitch. Mcconnell and nancy closys first meeting so they were able to over the course of a week. put together the second largest stimulus package in american history. Only second to the one that they've put together just before that so it's a massive package that will deliver much needed but delayed. Let's be clear delayed relief. The joe biden has termed only a down payment For what's going to happen next. Congress which will be a just really quickly though the most busiest legislative session that i think any of us can imagine with the slimmest margins in the house in the senate jake. it's very interesting. We got information last week that this was moving forward and have been following some of the key players for quite some time who've been telling we're going to get this done all while mitch. Mcconnell was sending signals that it wasn't going to get done and you look at joe mansion. Mitt romney susan collins even lindsey graham and their gene chain others Wall mcconnell was saying no no no. These moderates in the center on in the republican party and republican and democratic party. We're both saying yeah. We're going to get this done. We're going to have the votes in the end it ends up that You know the majority and minority leaders don't have a complete stranglehold on their parties. If they decide they want to move together and forge consensus. They're going to do it in the last couple of weeks. Prove that didn't it it. Did it proved that there is a center of the senate that still works like you. Just indicated and what the center was able to do better than anything. was create a menu from which the leadership was able to eventually choose. And i think that is an important thing here. They showed that there was support for a variety of proposals. That mitch mcconnell. Nancy pelosi got into a room in narrow down. So i actually think i mean despite it being very late not including everything that That anybody wants. This is a good sign. That shows that there is some functionality. Left in the institution in the post trump era. And i think in the new york times wrote this on its front page today. It does show for the first time that there is a road map for joe biden which is to create some heat in some action in the center among the people. You just mentioned joe mansion. Jeanne shaheen Some of the moderates and and functional members of both party bharti's create some sort of action. From which the leadership could then build upon then and kenny k. Let's go over those names again. We've talked about in here for a couple of weeks. You got mark. Kelly coming from arizona. Kristen cinema who may have a different image different constituency but she jove mansion vote together about ninety five percent of the time hickenlooper coming in a moderate to conservative democratic governor. You've got mitt. Romney you've got susan collins. Who seems like she has. Something approve this year. Which has she's pretty powerful and can forge consensus. If she wants to lisa murkowski who's always been very independent. Pat toomey who has struck compromises before with joe mansion on some difficult issues. I mean you've got an jeanne. Shaheen jumping in lindsey. Graham was very involved in this and again. I think they've flooded the zone. They overwhelmed their own leadership. And one thing. I noticed in these negotiations. We are time and again. I don't know it's going to be dead because there's not the state and local later. Oh no it's gonna be dead because they don't have the liability shield for the corporations and time and again these i'll we'll just call them. The solution caucus said no. No okay. Listen we'll just put those to the side. Let's talk about the aid and then we can address those other issues. They really are. I not to be too glib here. But it is a problem solvers caucus. They actually were focused on getting something done instead of just bitching about the other side and we wake up this morning and actually they got something done regardless of discouragement from the top. Yeah and the met separately. They literally went away from capitol hill to have them meeting in one of the senators house and they decided you know what we're just going to come up with the bill. We're going to come up with concepts or principles we're going to come up with legislation and present that to leadership sometimes congressional leadership doesn't love these gangs because as we have just seen they can get themselves a whole lotta power by being as you say solution oriented people that can get things done and they can. Act in a bipartisan way. We thought bipartisanship was totally out of the window in this congress. We've just had our first demonstration of it. It'll be interesting. To see two things if democrats were to win and georgia and have the slimmest of majorities do we still see some of those republicans coming over in that situation and once joe biden is president still see as many of those republicans again coming over and working with democrats does that does that caucus manage to hold because either way whether the democrats take children. They're gonna have this tiny majority that cool 'cause if it holds could have a huge amount of power as joe biden goes into a legislative session. That is going to have massive hurdles a need to do big substantial legislation of the kind of infrastructure and second stimulus abilities already talking about. There's no way you can get that done without this centrist group from the other side as well even with georgia. If for some reason. And it's highly unlikely. I still believe it's highly unlikely. Even if both of those senate seats in the special election go democratic you're sitting at fifty fifty and then you have what was described as chuck schumer's worst case scenario a month before the election and that is a fifty fifty senate where the breaking vote is not the vice president. Tiebreaking vote is joe manchin and so regardless of how this shakes. You're going to be hearing a lot of exaggeration. It's going to be the end of the world if it breaks one way or the other. No you're still going to have these ten moderate slash conservatives sitting in the center no matter who's called majority leader and they're going to be striking some compromises over the next two years if if this country is lucky at all if we actually get some legislation passed instead of just having executive order signed. It gets it's just get get through the next thirty days. Let's turn now to the ongoing trump coup. Still desperately seeking ways to overturn joe. Biden's election win. Here's how the lead in the washington post describes things quote with his baseless claims of widespread voter fraud rejected by dozens of judges and gop leaders. President trump has turned to a ragtag group of conspiracy theorists media lawyers and other political misfits in a desperate attempt to hold onto power after his election loss. The president's bid has grown more extreme as and more as his more mainstream including attorney. General william p bar have declined to endorse his increasingly radical. Plans to overturn the will of the voters. Trump's unofficial election advisory council now includes a pardoned felon adherents of the cunanan conspiracy theory a white house trade adviser and a russian agents former lover. so willy. these are a confederacy of dunces. That you would not want around your basic household appliances and certainly wouldn't want them going your shotguns on the back porch. They literally are a a rag tag group of misfits. Yeah that's putting it kindly. I think a rag tag group of misfits acumen congresswoman as mika just mentioned so cunanan officially is in the oval office sitting next to the president of the united states offering her council. You have just explained the underlying theory for those who don't understand what cunanan's underlying theories regarding cannibals and whatever else yet. The bottom line is that it believes their people in this country elites members of the media democrats mostly who are members of a satanist cabal that engages in. Pedophilia shot elected to the united states. Congress and now gets meetings with the president of the united states. Sydney powell the fringe attorney now appears to be at the right. Hand of president trump. Even that rudy giuliani on tv. Saying no she's not on our team while she's been in the white house three times in the last four days so the island is shrinking and president. Trump's bringing on whoever will join him in this final charade to overturn the election. One person who is not attorney. General william bar. He refused yesterday. Support the president in his quest to overthrow the election results that was on display yesterday at a news conference extensively to announce new charges related to the nineteen eighty-eight bombing of pan am flight one o. Three over scotland attorney. General bar knocked down a series of president. Trump's false claims and conspiracy theories he began with this comment on the hunter biden investigation. I think to the extent that There's an investigation. I think that it's being handled responsibly. and professionally Currently within the department to this point. I have not seen a reason to appoint a special counsel and i have no plan to do so before i leave. Okay so no special counsel on hunter biden then this from the attorney general on president. Trump's reported pushed to seize voting machines. High say no basis now for seizing machines by the federal government. You believe in on warrants special counsel to investigate that our. I thought a special counsel at this stage was the right tool And was appropriate. I would do. I would name one. But i haven't and i'm not going to okay. So no special counsel. They're not going to seize the voting machines and finally this on the president's claims that russia may not have been behind the massive cyberattack against the us federal agencies from the information. I have I agree with secretary pompeo's assessment. It's certainly appears to be the russians. But i'm not going to discuss it beyond that. So attorney general bar there. Jonathan lior agreeing with secretary of state pompeo and most cyber security experts that it was in fact russia something that the president has declined to say suggesting a tweet the other day that maybe it was china we should point out. Tomorrow is attorney general bars last day in office so that really was his valedictory news conference and he took all the time and took all the questions to make those points and the timing here. It's certainly not a coincidence. Willie and i think for terminal bar. There's a little bit of attempt to reshape or defend pieces of his reputation and legacy on his way out the door and attorney general of course who for most of his tenure was seen as being an extreme loyalist to the president From his first days in the job when he shaped and colored the mother report findings the most favorable way possible for president trump allowing the president to claim falsely that he had been fully exonerated. But certainly we saw here a clear break with the president on a number of subjects. One that did not go over. Well we are told in the oval office of the president of course had a heated meeting has had several heated means with bar in recent weeks. Last week accepted his resignation. And now the question is what comes next. Jeffrey rosen is the acting attorney general. And it's it's not clear how he will respond the pressure that is surely coming from the white house to appoint a special counsel About election fraud Even more impressively than the hundred biden case at least at this moment and to this point those around and say he's not inclined to do so but they don't know what will how he will respond to the demands from the oval office and the potential of course that rosen could get dismissed if the president wants to install someone else in that post but we are seeing also willie. This legal team This ragtag group of heiser. As we've been saying i mean there's divisions even within that is rudy. Giuliani suggesting that sydney powell does not speak for the president right now. But yet powell's been in the oval office three of the last four days. They can't agree on a strategy here. Certainly all their legal all of this all other legal challenges have been met with defeat and now tempting one last ditch effort this idea of that first week in january when recall congress meets to certify electoral college votes. They were trying to get garner. Both senators republicans from the gop to do the president's bidding to try to object that that's not going to work either. Joe biden is still going president-elect but it remains so very damaging to the democracy and undermining some at least in the minds of some americans the legitimacy of vines election. That's that's what's dangerous here and it is really important for georgia. Republicans to remember is as you go to vote my fellow georgia natives understand that kelly laughlin who is on the ballot right now sydney powell who is with the president of the white house every day now it seemed she says stay with me that kelley law flir was involved in a conspiracy with governor camp to illegally push off into still the election from doug collins all right so so according to the president's closest legal adviser right now kelly. Loftier shouldn't even be on the ballot. She stole the election along with brian. Count she stole the election from doug collins so since the president is working with this woman again. Just stand that that you've been cheated. They have stolen the vote from you. And you should get your retribution. By not letting somebody like kelly laughlin. Who's involved in this conspiracy theory get elected anyway. That's what sydney powell would would want. You to say sores rose and at the white house meek after bore leaves i. I can't imagine the strain. That is going to be on him. The pressure that he's going to be under when he's running the justice department is going to have to be crushing to his soul to endure that day. After my god he may even have to put up with ugly tweets for sixteen seventeen days. Really we'll see if he's man enough to be able to who've had seriously pressure you call that pressure sixteen or seventeen days in a nut house sixteen hundred pennsylvania avenue. Yeah please try not to screw it up and seventeen eighteen days. You're gonna have buddy. It's not really that much pressure follow the constitutes televangelist pat robertson. Who at one time had been one of the president's most ardent supporters called the on him to face the reality that he lost the election with all his talent and the ability of a to raise money and grow loesch crowds. The president still lives in an alternate reality. He really does people say well. He lies about this but no he didn't lie to him. That's the truth. He had the biggest crowd on inauguration day he had he had more people than ever He was the most popular of people he saved. Nbc but with the friends can go down. The line of things really are true. And you know people keep pointing to them. But because they loved him so much and he was so strong evangelical evangelical with him hall away but there was something about him would was good that god placed him in the office of the time. He's done a marvelous job the economy but at the same time He is very ready and he He's fired people. He's fought people that his insulted people and keeps going down the line. So it's it's a mixed bag. And i think it would be willing to say You've had your day hand. It's time to move on that robertson. Also say the president shouldn't run and twenty twenty four saying it would be a mistake. Well willie i. I gotta say this. I say been talking about a lot of evangelical preachers. I grew up with and certainly pat. Robertson came into my grandmoms house every day. And pensacola florida the seven hundred club. We watched pat day in and day out every time i was over there. She had it on. I mean he's got a strong strong voice in the evangelical community for decades. And this is a guy who at the end several times over the several months is actually been saying the sort of thing said other evangelical preacher should be saying but are too afraid to say but they're robertson just plainly saying a body. You've served time to go stop this nonsense. Yeah i mean that's a big deal. The seven hundred club and pat robinson still has big sway over a large flock of people who watch watches show. So that was a big statement. I mean there is something to this. Katty kay watching both pat robertson and william bar and some other republicans right now sort of jesus. If you'll forgive the expression and pat robinson pat robertson's case and now suddenly standing up to the president of the united states after four years of of what we watched. I guess we'll take it at the end here. Given what the president. The united states is trying to do still assembling people to carry out some kind of a lame coup. That he's still fixated on but you have these leading. Republicans leading evangelical and the attorney general now finally at the hour standing up to president trump. Yeah we wondered how long it was going to take didn't wee willie and maybe it took this put to president trump so focused on subverting the democratic process on on undermining democracy in america for these people finally to come out and say actually this has gone too far even though they're doing it in somewhat milder language. I think as you said at the beginning we're gonna have to get used to a certain level of hypocrisy over the next few months and years from republicans who've been store defenders all of the president as bill barham pat robertson have been a now coming out and saying actually this is not okay or you know whether it's on deficits whether it's on Vaccinations i mean. You know people who had been vacs pandemic skeptics now. Suddenly wanting to jump to the front of the queue get vaccinations. I think we're gonna see a lot of that in the challenge. I guess for joe biden is how much does call out. he use that potentially What does he do about all of those republicans who had been so in lockstep with the president and now prepared to come out and be less so the only thing i would say is that as we get the as the president becomes more exclusively focused on something that nearly everybody in the republican party thinks is a wild goose chase and is out in the fringe. He is surrounded by people who are more extreme. so he's got this very small group of republicans who prepared to follow him down. People like mo brooks sidney powell who they're in the white house with him and they really are the fringe of the trump supporters in washington. And that kind of leaves. The other people like bill baugh and pat robertson with a choice to make. Do i join them. Way out there or do i say what i have to say. What is obvious. Now and it seems that pat robertson's coming around to that don't let me just say i'm good with that bread conversions when constitutional norms are on the line. I'm good with deathbed conversions. Just i'll take a look at jesus's parable of people working in the fields. I don't care if you work in the fields all day or you come late the afternoon like if you're helping the cause right now. I got a really short memory. I just said that just really upset. A lot of people audience but bill clinton once told me and yeah you're thinking yet. Joe and bill clinton talk like now. We were just at an event backstage and he was commenting on another president. He said let me tell you something. He said the best thing. Any politician can have is a short memory. Because you're always going to need their tomorrow. That's what a lot of democrats a lot of republicans. A lot of americans need remember as we move into a new era we can sit back and growls and ring our heads over the horrors of the past. Four four and a half years knock gonna do us any good moving forward not going to be doing people working class americans any good who are suffering right now e. pluribus unum we've forgotten that let's refocus on it. Now let's talk about the house and specifically house leadership because jake you guys have been looking very closely what the democrats and republicans are thinking of their own leaders in the house and the senate. Nancy pelosi will actually. Let's focus on the house. Nancy pelosi and kevin mccarthy. What have you been finding as you guys have been making phone calls about the level of support. These two leaders have to continue to be speaker and minority leader. Will i think the big dynamics shift that you're going to see joe in the coming weeks and months. When joe biden takes the presidency is just a big shift of power back to capitol hill. When you have a president that's not taking up so much oxygen so to speak and what we found in the newest politico morning console polls fifty three percent of democrats want to keep pelosi as speaker and a forty eight percent of republicans would like to keep kevin. Mccarthy is house republican leader. Now listen the e we have to take these polls for what they are which is party leaders. Get up more. Get increasingly unpopular as time goes on but still this is a a useful metric to keep eye on as we get into this new congress and we get into picking leaders. Nancy pelosi is going to have to get two hundred eighteen votes on the house floor in just a couple of weeks. We expect that she's going get there but it's going to be a white knuckle experience as always is for a leader seeking the speakership so just to keep in mind as we get into this next congress with all the power shifting back to capitol hill. All right jake chairman. Thank you so much and still ahead on morning joe. Federal prosecutors say their investigation into rudy. Giuliani isn't only ongoing but that it's very active. Nbc's julia enslaved us with her latest reporting on that plus more than forty countries halted flights from the uk amid fears of a new strain of covert. Nine thousand nine hundred the. us however isn't one of them an update on that development. When morning joe restrain here we get it here just in time for the holidays. Hey kids save disease. Spread seventy percent faster Right back we get support from grubhub. I'm sure you knew about grub. 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Everyone's role on says we all these folks awful lot scientists and people who are frontline workers we own bit really get and one of the things is i think that administration deserves some credit getting us off the ground operation warp speed. I also think it's worth saying that this is great. Hope doing this to demonstrate. That people shouldn't be compared when it's available to take the vaccine. There's nothing to worry about. President elect joe biden received test. First dose of a covid nineteen vaccine yesterday and really did not even flinch question. We've seen the president-elect get it we've seen the current vice president getting it. I'm wondering as we talk if we talk about people who were key to america's economy an awful lot of people off track betting ecosystem that are waiting for you and me to get our shots because it has not been the same now. Obviously since there's been social distancing yes yes maybe we've gone in one or two times too many but at the same time. I think we should be next in line for that. Yeah i think so. I think you've got to protect that element of the american economy that frankly has carried us through this pandemic the beauty. Joe you and i were out front creating the otd app many years ago. Made for this era right now. So you don't have to be inside the betting parlor. You can play all your bets on harness racing akwa duct right there on your phone. That was great. It's you got my heart skipping a little bit right. There harness racing with dr one. Also the dogs we betting the little doggies meanwhile more than forty countries. Can we take you back with. No really no. We really need now telling you need to take you there when you take the dog track You know willie. And i We we tried to participate in much of lives rich pageant as possible. And you need you need to go along with what gets to get your vaccine. Ah i think we can get one for you because if you if you go to. Tv and dog racing with us. I i will adopt all the dogs and there will be no more dog racing. That's more than forty countries halted flights from the united kingdom amid fears of a new more infectious strain of covid nineteen circulating. Their parts of england including london were placed under a new lockdown over the weekend as prime minister. Boris johnson warned that the new corona virus strain was seventy percent more transmissible but us pulpit public. Health officials are reportedly not advising a similar ban on travelers from the seems to make sense if you want seventy percent. dr anthony. Pouching warned against quote over reacting to the situation but governors across the country are taking matters into their own hands. Washington state's governor. Jay inslee issued a proclamation yesterday calling for travelers from the uk south africa and other nations. Where the new kobes strain has been reported to quarantine for fourteen days. New york's governor. Andrew cuomo has called on the federal government to ban travel from the uk and has airlines to test travelers from the united kingdom to the state and former fda commissioner. Scott gottlieb says he doesn't think a travel ban will prevent the mutated strain from coming into the united states. Because he believes it's already here. You rent great news katty. Kay what are your holiday plans. Look like hiding with with shootings an old executive. But this has been really a tough tough on for boris johnson. A guy who early on in this process say he and his cabinet trotted out the idea of herd immunity. He'd been a skeptic for some time. Got it struggle with it. I mean mightily And seemed to find a religion a bit But still No saying he was gonna open things up for christmas than he had to shut christmas down. Now this seventy percent number Certainly having to be very jarring to the people in great britain do not mess with brits and christmas it's sort of goes dickensian over there and so people are furious. He really has very little support because the government is seen to have handled this not very well. I mean the first indications are the scientists saw this new strain back in october. And i think scott gottlieb is right. It seems to me almost impossible if it was back there in october. And we've been having flights to and from the uk and is seventy percent more transmissible. It seems really hard to imagine that it has all you need one person to bring it over on a plane right and that person to meet other people and i think we have a strong chance that over the next few weeks we might see this up in the in the us. Anyway the first version of the kurt aware navarro was so much fun that they decided to give us another one that was even more efficient and in the movie. This is going to be the twist fifteen minutes before the end where you've got the vaccine racing to get it out and then you get hit by new strand that is potentially going to overwhelm our health services for the uk. It feels kind of armageddon. I have family members who have now got stuck in different places not where they wanted to be family members who are planning to fly home this week. They've been looking off to my dad after my mom died. They can't get back home because the countries that meant to be living in have said no. You're not allowed in there's a massive amount of disruption we've got thousands of truck stuck ports because they can't get into france likewise backing up on the french side trying to get in and guess what at the same time this is our deadline for negotiating brexit deals. It's all coming together and the uk both symbolically and literally looking increasingly isolated. You're right you have to have some sympathy for boris johnson. But there are a lot of people in the uk who will say the whole way. He has handled. This has just been so chaotic so late should he have given people a chance to get out of london. He gave them twenty four hours almost to get out of london. And then you saw these massive scenes at train stations like remember when you see the scenes of people when the germans were about to invade. Paris parisians fled. That's what london look like. And of course they're all standing at train stations with no mosques on and potentially spreading this virus even further no several airlines governor cuomo announced history several airlines will test and you travel or coming from the uk into new york city. At least we'll come back to that in just a moment. Let's turn though to the investigation into president. Trump's personal lawyer rudy giuliani two sources. Tell nbc news prosecutors for the southern district of new york are trying to gain access to giuliani's emails but i need approval from federal counterparts before seeking a search warrant joining us now. Nbc news correspondent. Juliet ainsley. who's on this story. So juliet good morning. What exactly would investigators be looking for in this case. How well they would be looking for. All of his electronic communications in particular has email. But it's really complicated. Really because as you point out. Not only is juliani an attorney. He's the president's attorney and so when you talk about getting information getting communications that are protected. Under attorney client privilege. Some of these would be you have to go through injustice and a lot of times they set up. What's called filter teen. These are people who have the very tedious task of reviewing communications deciding. What is protected and then they are the ones who decide what to hand over to prosecutor so that prosecutors don't see anything that could be protected under attorney client privilege. Now we've talked about giuliani. He wears many hats. Some of these communications very well could not be protected by attorney client privilege but then the added layer that he is the president's attorney and we understand that that could be a reason why some of this investigation was at least kind of went quiet for a while that you can't take overt actions and an investigation that is closely tied to a candidate and at that time the president was a candidate In the lead up to the elections at that's why we may have not heard as much about this investigation. In fact we've really hadn't heard much about what was happening in this investigation into rudy. Giuliani out of the southern district of new york. Really since last february we knew that these investigators were interested in his bank records at a lot of this stemmed from his activity in ukraine very activities. That were in the spotlight during the president's impeachment trials been now. We're hearing that. This is ramping back up to sources say it's ongoing one telling me it is quote. Very active so julia. Is this an investigation just about rudy giuliani and potentially as you say his dealings with ukraine we know that levin e gor were arrested recently. They plead not guilty. But does this reach into the president's orbit specifically or is this just about rudy giuliani. So at this point we don't know the scope and especially hard because like we said we. We haven't known about it for so long. There's a lot that investigators can come across in an investigation like this especially with someone like religiously who is involved in so many pieces of the president's life and so of course this these are headlines that we would expect in the white house to look at and not just think. Oh that's that's a ukraine thing. We put that to bed. You're talking about the communications of rudy. Giuliani also interested in those communications. He would have had with the president. And that's why that pardon trigger now. Seems like something the president may. We know he's been talking about with rudy giuliani. That's been reported And so. I think that that is even more of something that we want to be looking for now because if the president not only wanted to protect rudy giuliani but also himself knowing that some of his communications could be seen by investigators. That pardon is in his back pocket and because federal investigation the president does have the power and all he would need is pardon to put this entire investigation to bed. And as we know it's ramping up and it takes a lot for prosecutors to even get to the step that we're talking about really which means they have to have a lot of information before they go seeking a search warrant julia. John's lemaire wanted to follow up on that exact threat. Is there have been any two quick questions for you is any indication that there's any sort of state probe state level probes into giuliani therefore The pardon would not apply and of course as we've been discussing terminal bars about to head out the door to be replaced by this acting attorney. General jeffrey rosen. Do you have any sense as to where he stands on this as he'd been briefed z. Involved at all on this investigation into guiliani. Well i'll say i have no indications that there are state level investigations at least from my reporting. And then when you talk about jeffrey rosen. I think that's a great question. We know that he is involved in so far as the deputy in the number two at the justice department is an above the criminal division. He sees everything that has been criminally investigated throughout the justice department. You could imagine that something. This high profile would have crosses desk just like many of the other high profile politically involved investigations during his tenure but his role won't be key because main justice has such a more important role in an investigation. Like this where we talk about that filter team attorney client privilege and we talk about investigating someone this close to the president. Meeting just has a bigger role than the usually wet and other southern district or other investigations. Sometimes we call it the sovereign district of new york because they can do so much on their own. When this case may justice does play a key role. It's not clear what direction rosen may take. But he would have the ability to put a block on things like a search warrant but as we understand. Now it's ramping up. And i do not have any indications that he himself is putting his thumb on the scale but of course. That's that's the next thing to watch for as well as pardon you can read the full peace at nbc news dot com nbc's. Julia ainsley. Thank you so much for your reporting as always deceive. Mika coming up with less than a month left in donald trump's presidency our next guest says he still at the center of those georgiev runoff elections that will determine control of the senate. We'll dig into that reporting next on morning. Joe we get support from net sweet. 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Everything is at stake when it comes to the need to elect reverend rafael warna to elect jon ossoff to elect daniel blackman. Everything is at stake. Everything that was at stake in november is at stake leading up to january fifth vice president-elect kamla harris campaigning in georgia. Yesterday for the to democratic candidates in the senate runoff elections now two weeks from today joining us now national correspondent for new york magazine. Gabriel de benedetti. Whose deep dive into the georgia races for the magazine's latest issue is entitled. The devil's went down to georgia in which gay rights quote in the newest swing state. All of the senate run off. Candidates are relying on trump for one last turn out extravaganza. Are they going to get it. Gave well. it certainly looks like the turnout is off the charts. Compared to what we've seen the previous runoffs at least it's not yet clear. It's going to match exactly what we got india general election but so far. This is good news really for everyone involved. The democrats feel pretty good about the fact that there is so much interest in this race remains to be seen of course whether this is going to drop off a little bit over the holidays but you see it there in what vice president-elect kamala harris said yesterday in in the state the stakes are enormous in this race and that's lost on absolutely no one. There was some time there where everyone in. The state was a little bit worried that there was going to be an attention. Drop off but you know. Basically after a few days after the after the general election in november they're picked right back up. And i gotta tell you. It is completely overwhelming on the ground there. It is inescapable. This race is just a fact of life for every single person in georgia right now. Gabe at the center of the conflict here for republicans is the fact that president trump and by the way the two senators running for reelection said the previous election was rigged despite the fact that the vote has been counted three times and yet they're asking republicans to go out and vote again. So how are kelly. Leffler and david purdue walking that line of being seen as siding with president trump they don't want to alienate his voters. But also getting people out there to vote. I'd say this is the central conflict that they're trying to deal with every single day. They're two answers to this one. Is they dodged questions about it. They're not willing to deal with the actual substance of the question. But to what they say is they try to be when they are cornered on this essentially told the trump line and say well. We still have to investigate. The president is right to legal recourse. But you know what's really important. Is this right here right now and you saw it when the president himself actually went down to georgia him you know. When he took the stage in valdosta he essentially said he got to make sure that you vote for doing leffler to make sure the communists don't win. That's how i the democratic candidates but then he spent the rest of the time essentially you know talking about how the last race in his words was ring so clearly this is a massive concern for the republicans but the way that they're trying to just bulldoze through it is essentially saying we can't let these democrats win. We can't have socialist control of washington. Which of course is a scare tactic right from the trump You know trump. It gave jonathan amir picking up on that point. The president is expected to come back to georgia in week. Or so what are you talking. What are you talking to republicans there. Is there any anxiety that he'll contain these attacks on the republican georgia the carpeting governor of georgia the republican secretary state of georgia. And you open by saying that the enthusiasm is has been off the charts. So are you seeing. Have their fears to this point but unfounded that that trump's claims a rigged election might sort of persuade them some republicans and georgia and say well. My vote doesn't matter. I won't even bother you feeling like maybe somewhere embracing the thought that it's rigged but they're still gonna out in the first week of january so far. What we've seen is a lot of what you just talked about. A lot of people say this is rick but we still gotta get out there to support trump. And that's certainly the point that the republicans are trying to make however it is really complicated for a lot of these folks especially for kelly. Leffler one of the candidates here who was appointed by brian campaign. Who are career to him. And you know when you have president trump going after camp such strong terms that makes very difficult for. But it's an important thing here to knows that we're really talking about race. It's going to be won or lost on the margins. So that's why everybody on. Both sides is trying to make sure that we essentially have a hundred percent turnout on both sides because this is going to be so close if you look at how georgia went in november. It was the closest race in the country. Were likely to see a pretty close race. Once again of no one's really sure what that's going to look like. So that's why you have president trump coming back and that's why the republicans are welcoming him back. Essentially saying we're just gonna have to use every single tool in our arsenal to make sure that every republican in the state turns out democrats. Say come on back. you know. He motivates voters to all right. We'll be reading the new reporting and new york magazine. Gabriel de benedetti. 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And for American national security, I speak with Robert Gates who served a CIA director and secretary of defense under three presidents. Also a Hollywood power, couple fights. Climate change one meal time, James and Suzy. Cameron say that if we want to save up planet, I, we must change our diet and comedian Phoebe Robinson confronts toxic masculinity and white feminism in her new book. Everything's trash, but it's okay. Welcome to the program. Everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour in London. Saudi Arabia has admitted that the killing of the journalist, Jamal kashogi was a huge and grave mistake, but the kingdom's account of his death claiming that he died in a fistfight during a quote, rogue operation in that consulate in Turkey has done little to blunt the international uproar and skepticism new details of Kashoggi's death highlight inconsistencies in the Saudi story. Like this still image from security footage, it shows a Saudi operative trying to pass kashogi apparently wearing Kashoggi's clothes. He was leaving the concert by the back door, the very day the kashogi was killed. Meanwhile Turkey's president, Richard type erred. One is promising to reveal the incident in all its naked truth. So what should the world do? What should the west do the German Chancellor? Angela Merkel announced that her government wouldn't approve new arm sales to the kingdom until further. Otis and a former British Foreign Secretary says the US and the UK must stop supporting the Saudi war in Yemen. Or while President Trump wavers between accepting the king of Saudi Arabia's, latest explanation to saying that it wasn't sufficient. So when and if the dust settles in both Riyadh on Washington, what will this mean for Saudi Arabia's place in the region and for America's national security ties, Robert Gates was director under the George H W Bush administration, and he was secretary of defense under President, George W Bush and President Barack Obama and Robert Gates welcome to the program. Thank you, Chris. So I mean, I could have gone on on you have a massive portfolio and massive experience in intelligence in as being secretary of defense and all other roles. So what do you make of Saudi Arabia's explanation in public for what happened to Jamaica? Shoji. Well, I find the story that they've told. To not be credible. Just looking at the photographs of Mr. cujo kashogi he doesn't appear to be the kind of person who would engage in a fistfight much less with fifteen people. So I don't. I don't think anyone finds the story, credible. I think that holds true of the president himself, but but I think the challenge that we face and maybe I'm getting ahead of ourselves here. But I think the challenge is how do we thread the needle in terms of protecting our interests in the Middle East and at the same time standing up for the values that we have as a country. And and I think that the administration could do worse than to go back and study carefully what the first President Bush did after the massacre at tenement square in Beijing. In one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. He was the first head of state to impose sanctions on the Chinese government to show that how much we disapproved of what they had done. But at the same time, said MSA. Aries to the government, then deputy secretary of state, Larry, eagleberger, and national scary visor Brent Scowcroft to talk to the leadership in Beijing. Tell them why we were doing what we were doing, why we had to do what we were doing, but that we wanted to keep the strategic relationship still on track. But is that really threading the needle? Or is that trying to have your cake and eat it too? In other words, how much punishment or opprobrium will sanction did Beijing gets just words? No, there were there were actual sanctions that were, but I mean, it wasn't just disapproval or a pissed it was. It was actual sanctions that were imposed. So that was a massive game changing massacre then gentlemen square and the offer facts have lasted practically until this day in one form or another. And of course, China was an opponent or an adversary, oh, competitor, even more so than than it is today, Saudi Arabia is meant to be an ally, the first and is. I suppose is you know Jamal kashogi was a journalist, he wasn't a operative mounting demonstrations or weapons, or anything against the Saudi government. He was employed as a columnist by an American newspaper. He was a resident, thanks to the immigration service of the United States. He was able to live in the United States. There's a lot time Jamaica Shoji to the United States. So what should President Trump do in terms of defending that human rights case that habeas corpus case that sort of moral case right there before we get to the strategic interests? Well, my view is that that there does need to be some action taken would the well, I'm not sure the menu as long you. You mentioned the Germans were cutting off arm sales. The president's already said, he's not going to do that. The former British Foreign Secretary saying that they would. They would take other action they were. They. Stop stop by backing the war in Yemen. Maybe that's one option for us. There may be some others, but I think I think we need to find a way to manifest our disapproval of what was in my view, a huge blunder. I think it's a blunder or you think it's an orchestrated hit? Oh, it was an orchestrated hit, but ordering it was a blunder on it and and and and and at the same time, preserve the long-term relationship that we have with Saudi Arabia. Can I just play for you? Some of the natives that's come from President Trump and also from the Saudi foreign minister. So President Trump is you and you to, obviously there's be deception and as been lies, their stories are all over the place. But he said prince, Mohammad bin Salman, the crown prince is a strong person, and he's got very good control. Okay. First and foremost, a strong person and very good control. Do you believe that? Well, I think he is. I think he clearly is in control in Saudi Arabia. The various actions that he's taken from the very beginning demonstrate that he's quickly consolidated his power, and then the foreign Minister Adel Jubeir who was a former. Ambassador to the United States was on Fox News, and this is what he said. He's the only major Saudi official who's come out in the seventeen eighteen days since this crisis has been gone, and he's spoke specifically about the strategic relationship. We use Saudi relationship historically strategic plan. We have great interests that we share together. We have a great trade relationship. We have security issues that are important to both of us. We were career closely on combating terrorism and extremism on containing Iran's aggressive policies in the region. I'm trying to bring peace to the Red Sea and the horn of Africa, trying to bring peace to Afghantistan. Pakistan relationship is a hugely important strategic relationship for both countries believe that when the investigation's over and the facts are revealed, that people know who was responsible and see those individuals being punished and see procedures put in place to prevent this from happening that the relationship will, whether this. The relationship will whether this do you believe that's true. I think that I think that. I think this will have lasting impact not only here in Europe or in Europe, but in the United States as well. You, you've got a pretty strong bipartisan consensus on the hill in the congress that some strong actions need to be taken to demonstrate our approval from very conservative Republicans to very Liberal Democrats. So I think that one of the things that has to be a consideration for the president is how can he keep control of this process without the congress running away with and probably taking steps that are actually not in our national interest that go too far. Only the president can can try and and determine what are the kinds of actions that man that show our disapproval and what a terrible thing we think this is that's happened to a human being as well as to a journalist than someone who's a resident of the United States. But at the same time, recognize all of those interests that the Saudi for. Minister was talking about. So the interest also have manifest, obviously the oil selling to the west of the United States to sharing intelligence that by all accounts has been fairly, you would know more than I do. How good was there sharing of intelligence? How effective, how much mayhem and death did it actually stopped? I think I think particularly subsequent to nine, eleven. The intelligence sharing has actually been quite good, which it would have had to get fifteen hygiene, particularly in particularly after the attempted attacks on oil facilities in Saudi Arabia. Really for the first time, they began to take the terrorism problems here and that was two thousand four around. That's when it really sort of shifted up again. So some have complained that President Trump seems to be at has been sort of verbally anyway, kind of acting like the Saudi Arabians lawyer over this. You know, much more trying to figure out a a good story for them somehow to as you say, thread. Need a little come out of this relationship without it being ruined, but acting much more indepth to them than indifference to America's leadership role in this case. So Jared, Kushner's name comes up a lot, and he actually spoke at a CNN forum today. I just I wanted to play this because it's it has a lot to do with the way this administration is actually dealing with this. We have to be able to work with our allies and Saudi Arabia's been a very strong ally in terms of pushing back against Iran's aggression, which is funding a lot of terror in the region, whether it's who these in Yemen or it's, it's Hezbollah or moss. We have a lot of terrorism and in the region, the Middle East is a rough place. It's been a rough place for a very long time and we have to be able to pursue or strategic objectives, but we also have to deal with obviously, what seems to be a terrible situation. Do you agree with that? Particularly the focus on Iran, clearly Ron has all sorts of activties anathema to the United States too many in western Europe. Is there a cost benefit analysis or any kind of way to compare, whether it's whether it's, you know what? Jared Kushner is correct that we have to almost give or look aside to just about anything Saudi Arabia does because the threat from your on is so massive and that we can only do it by allowing the Saudis free rein. Whether it's in Yemen, whether it's a constant in in Tokyo, wherever I think you always have to be valuating your interests and and who's who's playing what role. I think as as low Cem as as this killing me is. It does not pose a threat to American interests in the way that Iran s- throughout the region. So us with Kushner, I won't go that far. But I will say we have very real interest that we need to protect. And as I go back to my earlier comments, how do you, how do you show that this is unacceptable behavior that there are consequences that are real, and yet at the same time, preserve our relationship in terms of dealing not just with the Iran threat, but frankly, instability throughout the Middle East. I mean, we have there are multiple conflicts going on in the Middle East right now from Syria to Yemen. The problems with Iran, it's not just the Saudi Iranian relationship where our relationship with Iran, there's a lot of instability in the region, and we have had a good relationship with the Saudis in trying to work at these problems and and there's been a mutual interest in this. I think I think you just can't throw that out the window, but I come back to the point. You still have to do things that make it clear. This kind of behavior is unacceptable. And I guess the really sensitive question is how much faith do you have in the crown prince as a credible leader going forward? As you said, he's obviously go control, but control can have positive and negative meanings. As we've seen, nobody believes that this hit as you've acknowledged was would have ever happened without the highest levels of approval inside Eurabia. So there's that question. Does. Tailed with. So what do you do to make them understand that this is not acceptable? Well, first of all, I think they're, I think they're beginning to appreciate that this. Has had an impact far beyond what they intended and. I mean, I think that I think that the crown prince has has suffered damage in this. It's hard for me to imagine him being welcome in the in the government offices in here in Europe. I think it would be very difficult and awkward for him even in the United States at this point. So so I think this is a question that the Saudis have to consider what's in their long-term interests and that's an internal matter for them. You know, it's really interesting because obviously, when President Putin was accused, again, no nerve agent like Novi could have been used here on foreign soil in Britain without the highest levels of authority. And now they've traced back British intelligence have found who those people were on their high level. At least one of the McConnell. The decorated Colonel in the GRU and there was a massive banding together. Britain had its allies together. The United States, everybody, Australia expelled, Russian diplomats, and added other sanctions and other kinds of things. None of this is being floated in this regard. And it's interesting because, again, this British Foreign Secretary who I, who I mentioned Jack. Stroll said that for forty years, the west thought the Shah of Iran was, you know, the bull walk and nobody ever said, boo, to imprison successes. And then one day, you know, he was allowed to do so much that there was a revolution. Nobody suggesting there's going to be revolution, Saudi Arabia, but don't you think good friends and allies actually do need to stand up and rain in whether the Shahr Iran or crown prince Mohammad bin somewhere, whoever it may be. Well, the essence of a friendship is a willingness to tell others what they don't want to hear. And to be brutally honest about the impact of what's happened. So I mean, part of my message I talking to the Saudi government would be. Do you realize the magnitude of the damage that's been done to Saudi Arabia by this act? Both in the United States, but also in developed countries and democracy's all around the world and you all need to face the fact that this is not going away the to quote the foreign minister, the relationship. I think we'll probably whether it but it will be different. And the attitudes in congress will be different. And the debates over sales of arms to Saudi Arabia will be different. And people have to realize individual members of congress and of the property committee's can can delay arm sales and things like that. So I think I think there are consequences to this relationship that have already happened, and there may be more to follow. Just a technical question before I move onto the IMF treaty, which of throwing up into the today. President Trump says, it's one hundred, ten billion dollars worth of sales and jobs for American people. And. That if it wasn't the American selling decided Arabia, they'd go to China and Russia, but is that really true? Don't they really have their military compatibility with the United States a little bit with Germany and the UK, but really with the United States? I mean, they suddenly digital. They use systems and go take Russian and Chinese ones can they? Actually they can. Oh, okay. In in two thousand eleven on my final visit to Saudi Arabia. I met with king of Dula and we seal the deal to sell them eighty five billion dollars worth of fifteen's. But he told me in that meeting that a number of his most senior advisors and members of the Royal family were urging him to buy those weapons, those planes from France or Russia instead, but would it have would they might have been urging them to? They might have bought the sure it would be okay, whatever. It'd be expensive, but sure. I mean, just like Turkey is buying an air. Defense system. They always bought their weapons in the west, but now they're buying an air defense system from Russia. So how do you assess Turkey's role in this crisis? They've been leaking like a sieve. They've tried to get the story out by huckabee'll. I think there's no love lost between, but what do you think to do on strategic Amy? I think I think they're trying to make things first of all, beginning with the fact Saudi Arabia made a huge mistake and they made it on Turkish soil. Air to one's going to try and make it as painful for them as possible. You see rupture of relations or no, no, I don't think threat the is well, probably more creating problems now the IMF treaty, intermediate nuclear forces right President Trump wants to pull out of that. It's being negotiated with Russia. I think under the Reagan administration with president Gorbachev who today called President Trump irresponsible and said that this was an unnecessary move. Let us play what President Trump says about this. Russia has violated the green. They've been violating it for many years, and I don't know why President Obama didn't negotiate or pull out. We're the ones that have stayed in the agreement and we've honored the agreement, but Russia has not, unfortunately under the agreement. So we're going to terminate the agreement. We're going to pull out. Have they been cheating and how disruptive is to pull out, or is that something that you would agree with? So Christiane when I first met. Defense Minister Sergei even off the Russian Defence Minister in February of two thousand and seven in our private meeting, he said Russia wanted to end the I n f agreement. He said, we're the only two nations in the world that can't build these missiles. Now, these medium range missiles. He said, we have no intention of deploying them in the west, but we want to deploy them to the south against Iran and Pakistan. And in the east against China, I said, no way United States will will not leave the IMF treaty. So the Russians have been wanting to get out of this thing for a long time and and they just as they walked away from unilaterally from the conventional forces in Europe agreement. If they have cheated as the administration says, and I have no reason to question. It's a, it's a black and white kind of thing either they've cheated or they haven't. And I suspect they have, then it seems to me that the US has every right to say, okay, if you're not going to abide by it, then why should we remain constrained by? So under those circumstances? I don't. I don't see an issue. We've, you know, both sides have pulled out of various agreements. We pulled out unilaterally pulled out of the anti ballistic missile treaty or early in the second Bush administration and so on. So I think I think if they have cheated. And have no intention of carrying out their responsibilities. I don't see why we should stay in it. So off to this conversation, admittedly, only a couple of issues are you confident that America's place in the world? It's foreign policy. It's ju- strategic leadership role is in safe hands and farm policies in the direction you'd like to see it. One of the biggest concerns that I have Christiane is, is I, I worry about. The lack of appreciation in Washington right now of the one unique advantage. 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One meal at a time Cameron of course, is the creative force behind conic films like Titanic and atop together. The couple of is promoting a simple message as commercial livestock pump greenhouse emissions into the atmosphere at an alarming rate. We can all make a major difference to the environment just by watching what's on our plate. I spoke with the Cameron's about Suzy's new book. It's called, oh, MD one meal a day. The simple plant based program to save your health. Save your waistline and yes, save the planet. They told me how small personal choices can have a big global impact. Suzy and James Cameron, welcome to the program. Thank you for having us on. Thank you. It's really an honor. Look, it's to talk about something quite important if you take the latest UN climate and environmental report, read a couple of stats. We only have until twenty thirty to essentially save the planet. I mean, that was to me a very striking very alarming way to put it. The UN hadn't been so stock. What about it grabbed you both? Well, I think the the recent I report just was part of a continuing trend every time they every time they issue a new report. It's worse than the last one. So the handwriting's on the wall, I think that you know, the daunting thing is the average person kind of shuts down. They go into denial. I think we'll what can I do about it as a as an individual. And so you know, Susan, I have been very, very concerned about this problem for for years now, and we're looking for ways to empower people. To to make a difference. You've started to make a real difference in your own lives. Right. And Susie, you've written a book about it. Yes, exactly. So I wrote a book called, oh, MD and we had been plant based for about a year and a half and realized very quickly that the school that I founded with my sister, Rebecca, Amos is an environmental school, and we realized we couldn't call ourselves and environmental school and still be serving animal products. So we brought in doctors, we brought in climate scientists, authors and athletes to help educate our community, our children and our families, and that sort of thing. And we had it was mutiny. It was full on mutiny. We had an enormous amount of pushback and one day our head of school got very frustrated and said, people, you can give them eggs and bacon in the morning, and you can give them a burger at night. It's one meal a day. It's, oh, MD and I think from that moment on, oh, MD stuck. So I took that and started doing a lot of research with the doctors in the field and climate scientists and wrote all of the environmental benefits of eating plant base as well as health benefits. And then the book is a guide. It's a guide that takes you through. I hold your hand, so it takes you through having one meal a day, one plant vase meal a day or two or blowing up your kitchen and going all in and the thing that stuck more than anything is that one person having one plant based meal a day for one year saves two hundred thousand. Gallons of water and the carbon equivalent of driving from Los Angeles to New York on fuss staged by that because you say in some of the scientists say that actually changing your diet is even more effective than changing the kind of car you drive an also this report basically saying that livestock accounts for fourteen and a half percent of global greenhouse emissions, and it suggests that people consume as as you say, thirty percent less. In other words, a third less one meal a day. That's correct. Absolutely. So fourteen and a half percent to put that in perspective, makes it the second largest sector for greenhouse gas emissions next to electrical generation and puts it in front of all of transportation combined. So all ships all planes all automobiles and everything. So, well, it's wonderful to buy an electric car and so on. You're, you're only attacking the smaller part of the problem, but changing our diet. Our nutrition is something. We can do instantaneously if we choose to do it. And so it's the quickest way that we have for grabbing the thermostat of the planet and turning it down. All it takes is the the will the desire to do it. And that's where I think a book like Suzy's comes in very, very handy. Just the mind everybody what it is about meat and the raising of meat to be eaten that causes environmental damage. Oh gosh, all the way around the world. So if you've got biodiversity loss, deforestation, ocean acidification dead zones, climate change, glacier's melting. You can connect the dots from all of those environmental issues back to animal agriculture. It says it sounds crazy, but it. But it's true. It's the, it's the single like they're cutting down rainforests in in Brazil to make cropland to grow, feed for animals for livestock, and it's ridiculously inefficient compared to just. Humans just eating the plants directly, cutting out the middleman in a business deal. Now you did mention glaciers, which brings me to the greatest glacier of all time, which is the one that the Titanic plowed into. Okay. That's a little bit of a thin transit is good. Right? I mean, it's good. It's very, I could be a scriptwriter. No, just kidding. But seriously you. You met on that film and many of you films James off, do have the environment somewhat or very much tied into their narrative, whether it's the Titanic avatar. But first of all, tell me how you met an a little bit of what brought you to the environmental policy of your relationship. Well, like I can't Susie. I didn't realize at the time that I was casting her in my life as well. But we shot together only for a couple of weeks because it was really just the present day wraparound scenes at the beginning and the end of the film, we shot together for two weeks and we got along quite well, and and then we started seeing each other afterwards. I'd like to say clearly professional while we were working together. We like we like to call the Titanic. They'll left by. Well, that's and your other film avatar among many, but those two of the highest grossing of all time, they remain the highest grossing bowls. I'm going to see if I can just try to stretch a little bit of the connection between film in the environment. One of the issues James and Suzy is that the positive narrative seems not to get as much as much airing as it should do, and the skeptics tend to have an equal voice in this in this debate on climate. And I'm wondering whether as an actress as director, you guys have have a thought as to how to change the narrative. You know, I know you both saw a documentary together about it, but but what more can be done to to infuse ordinary people with optimism and an empowerment on how to change the narrative over saving the environment. We think one of the things comes back to own MD more than anything because I know certainly for myself. And probably for you too, that you know, you watch these documentaries on the environment, read the stories, and it's devastating, and it's actually paralyzing and you think, what can I do as an individual to really make a difference? And some people can't afford solar or an electric car, things like that. So the fact that everybody eats every single day, it's a simple elegant solution. It's non-judgmental you can just dip, you're towing it and what you're putting on your plate actually makes a huge difference towards not only climate change, but your health as well. Just the health of the planet. I mean the the quick is an easiest way for an individual to be to feel empowered into make a difference and to be able to look at their face in the mirror in the morning, I think I'm making a difference. I'm doing something positive, not just for myself, my own health and my family's health, but for the health of the planet is to change how we eat. So. So I wanna play a little clip from avatar because you know, even if you didn't really understand the planet and the climate. I mean it was such a beautiful, beautiful depiction of what's at stake. And of course, often our culture has stories of doom and gloom, and the hard news around climate is a lot of doom and gloom. So I wonder when you making this film with what you thought about the impact of the beauty, I'm just gonna play it and then you can also me to become. You must choose your own clan in humorless choose you. Can you learn anything. So it was obviously a really, very beautiful in had climate as its as its central theme, right? We'll I think, I think we can't protect that which we don't. We don't respect and love, and I think it all people are born with a certain connection to nature. And then as we live in a more urban environment, the world is going much more urban. We tend to lose it. And I think avatar was reconnection to that kind of like state of seeing the beauty in nature and feeling a personal connection to it. And we quite consciously made the film. Beautiful movies tend not to be beautiful. They tend to be spectacular often, but not. But there's not an emphasis placed on on beauty, just immersive, I, I want to be there in that world beauty. And I thought this is the way to get people to care about the natural world not by beating them over the head with with some kind of message in some sense of of, you know, blaming or call to action. I think the. I think the best call to action is when you when you believe in something and you wanna make a difference, and do you use technology as not just a visual and a and a movie thing, but also as something to help with the environment. I mean, we'll kind of environmental rules and regs. Do you have on your on your shoes? For instance, we'll thanks for thanks for asking that. We put in one megawatt solar power system on the roofs of the sound stages to offset all the power consumption of our computers. So on that we use for the the computer animation. So we're definitely net carbon negative in our from an energy perspective. But I also took inspiration from Suzy's one meal a day program, and I convinced our crew which is about two hundred people to eat plant based during the day while they're at while they're while they're on the production. So we serve only plant based meals on the production are caterer restaurant. There serves only plant based meals and everybody's I, I don't know. Everybody's. Loving it every meal. Some people go off campus to deed at a restaurant if they want to. They have that choice, but people have accepted it. They've accepted the wisdom of it, and they liked the idea that we're the greenest set. Probably the green is set in history. We make all our own power and we eat nothing about. But but plants flex video as Susie. You both cautiously say plant based, and that is kind of the new term for what used to be called vegan. Right? Was vegan a little bit alienating, you know, it's it's starting to make a shift certainly. But initially it was really a word that really revolved around. Becoming plant based for ethical reasons. Animal cruelty, animal cruelty, and and there are a lot of rules and regulations around that. Now I've seen it just over the last three years. They're using it a lot. The word vegan on a lot of for marketing thinking end plant based. So people are starting to realize that that actually sells products. But a lot of people leaning forward, curious about it or wanna make a change for their own health or or maybe for environmental reasons. They don't quite know where to start or they feel like it's it's too much all I couldn't do that. I could never do that and then they find out how easy it is. No good. The food can be. Different? Yeah, and dipping their toe in just doing one meal a day. And typically they feel so great. They end up doing too. So it's it's an easy way into that world. So that's good. That's encouraging. Now I wanna ask you, what is it with you? James Cameron and strong women. You have married a couple of strong women. There's one sitting right there by you. There's the direct to Kathryn Bigelow who was once your wife and you'll characters whether it's aliens, whether it's Terminator on these very strong. Let's just play the this Etienne's clip and we'll talk about strong women on the other side. Get away from her. You bitch. I mean, you know that says it all. So is too strong women in tweeden and and Sigourney Weaver equally matched opponents. You know, people are saying that women really are going to change the world. Is that what you're trying to say, put my, I put my faith in women to change the world. I think I think men approach the world and a certain way that tends to be dominated to and aggressive. It's just how men have been wired since the dawn of time, and it's expressed throughout our entire kind of western colonial culture that we expand through the world, and we dominate nature, and we're going to have to change that that world view, and I think we need a more female. You know, kind of got us base perspective that you know, we have to nurture life. We have to care for it. I think that the great conflict of the future is going to be between the takers, the caretakers. So the taker is a male energy in the caretakers female energy. So I've always respected that and, and I've celebrated women in the films that I've made. Made and and I, I'm lucky enough to be married to a very strong, powerful caretaker warrior. Let me ask you Susie because you wrote the book. There's a new report from the climate accountability institute that says, only a hundred companies have produced more than seventy percent of the world's carbon emissions since nineteen eighty eight. So basically, you know, we can do all we can, you know, to change our diets and things, but we could also just boycott these companies right and force them to change. We can. Absolutely. I mean, you know, being able to do that, but also we really can't meet our Paris accord numbers without addressing animal agriculture. I think that's one of the biggest messages. Yeah, that's a critical piece of it, but I agree that we can. We can vote with our wallets. We can boycott the companies that are the biggest carbon polluters, but we're all carbon polluters if we if we're eating animal products, I don't mean to bang on about this, but but our biggest Bill. Eighty. Two to change things is by simply what we buy and what we put on the end of our our Ford right. Well, actually, even the Terminator your own on Schwarzenegger said at para is that one of the greatest producers of me thing on natural emissions. So he saved by cows. Right? Yeah, they they, it's mostly belches by the way just oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, no, no. Everybody likes to make fun of cow farts, but mostly belches because they, they have this five part stomach called the room and and and it's basically it emits methane all day long all day long. And methane is a forcing gas that that is some some like twenty to thirty times as powerful and CO two. So we've really got to wrangle methane as much as we have to wrangle CO two. Well, thank you both very much for bringing this out into, you know, even more of a public debate. James Cameron Suzy Cameron. Thanks very much. Thank you Christiane. Thank you. Who knew about those guys cows five pas stomachs. Anyway, we turn now to another artist who's making a significant splash the comedian and author Phoebe Robinson, her new book, everything's trash, but it's okay tackles the Ford out of the two thousand sixteen election, sexual harassment in comedy and being a black woman. In today's America, she's best known as one half of HBO's standup show to dope queens and for her podcasts. So many white guys. She's on a mission to change the comedy demography as she told and these Menendez when they met in New York. Phoebe, your first book was a New York Times bestseller. You can't touch my hair and you have your new book. Everything's trash, but it's okay. Tell me about this book y. now. Yeah, I think I was always playing a write another book, but I think after the twenty sixteen election, I know like myself Allama friends, we're just kind of feel like, oh, well, that's not how we thought the movie was going to end do you know? And I felt defeated and kind of bummed out. But then I really was like inspired by on social media and also in real life how people are doing rallies and donations getting so involved with politics in a way that like I hadn't seen like people now are talking about midterm elections, especially on college campuses, and I went to private institute in Brooklyn. New York is very, like involved in politics, and we never talked about midterm elections, so I sorta was feeling down. But then I was like, there's so much. Good. That's also happening right now. So it's how title came about like everything is kind of terrible. It feels like, but we're going to be okay. I think I hope section of your book that speaks to it that I would love for you to read for me. Thank you. Just getting. Maybe I shouldn't have been so rocked by the election results. I mean, once homeboy launches improbable campaign, which got more successful by the week in spite of his around the clock blunders, she never seen him for what it was an upgraded version of a bigoted best signal. The original one was a spotlight shining in the sky and project an image of the KKK Stephen Duke. That was a call to action for people. Trump's ilk, the racist, the sexist homophobic, transphobic, etc. Therefore I couldn't help, but wonder is in the fact that I've never fully believe Trump could be number forty, five assigned that my stubbornness and naievety prevented me from CNN miracle for what truly is. Who wrote this? I did so my question as I read, that's actually was. So then what is America truly. I think America has a very complicated history past, and I think we tend to sort of like kind of brush a lot of the inequalities, whether it's racial class or gender under the rug and be like, we're so great, Aurora and like you the fourth of July and all the like holiday stuff. But I'm like, there's a lot of ugliness in our pass. I think we need to address because that's kind of why things are the way they are currently. So I think America is a great idea that we haven't quite figured out yet how to execute in a way that I think will be Representative for everyone that lives here did writing this book. Hope you reconcile your embitterment around feminism. That's a great question. Here's what I will say when the women's March was happening. I think it a lot of us refueling the raw raw of it all and unlike, yes, women are rallying together. You're very excited about that. And you know, Lana Glazer, and I did a show. There raise money like it was really great, exciting moment and there wasn't bits on the part of black women's yet it was even though that there was supposed to be diversity and leadership that fundamentally there would be white turnout. Right? And you know, the, the lack of representation for queer women, especially laid not treating trans women as women. And so I think on online when that was happening, I was so excited, but it wasn't the only thing that I was feeling and I think by Ryan's essay being like I was conflicted about going and like there still are problems with them and has them in like the lack of intersection out the lack of white women showing up for issues like it's great that everyone came out for the women's March, but I saw almost none of those women like do any sort of like, yeah, let's do black lives matter, or let's talk about immigration or let's talk about trans lies. So I think it's like when they felt Ray to mobilize they want it, everyone else to get on board with them. And it's like, well, you hall so have to go board with us. So I think that's still where the Monismanien. Is kind of lacking, but I'm feeling hopeful. Let's unpack that a little because you write about it in the book about white women and white women feeling like they don't have an access point for conversations about race. So in how how do you bring white women into the fold? How do you extend that invitation such that they show up when you come to show up? I think there's part of it is. Like with anything, may you're interested in if you really truly care, you'll do the research, you'll reach out to people, you'll talk to people. So I personally don't buy the whole like, well, how do I get involved? And I'm like, are you not listening to the Asia women, the queer women, the black women, all different sorts of women around you who are saying, this is an issue. This is important to me. This is a problem. And so I think that there needs to be a little bit of. Not waiting for everyone to teach you and sort of just being proactive and saying, I wanna learn like you're curious person. I'm curious person. If I want to know when beyond say is going to be on tour, don't Google it. You know, you started you the same thing where you're like, okay, why are trans women being murdered at a much higher rate than other women? Let me look into that. How can I get involved? How can I help? So I think it's the same sort of thing. And I think these are tough conversations and really depressing issues to talk about sometimes, but by not talking about it, we're allowing it to continue your perhaps best known for being one half of two dope queens, which was originally started as a podcast and is now on. HBO can tell us a little bit about it for someone who may not have seen it started four years ago, you had twenty fourteen Jess was on the Jessica Jessica Williams. I should say just go Williams is on the daily show, and I just did background on a piece. You did about black women's here in the military, and we sort of just like hit it off. We're just hanging. Around on set, and she says she always wanted. Try do stand up and also, well, we can just do a random like one off show together as goof. And we had so much fun and we just got on stage and I think we really sort of capture the way that a lot of people talk, I think, especially away the lot of black women talk when people aren't looking. And I think people could really says that friendship and that sort of relaxed nature. And then we kept doing it. And I was like, I think this is an HBO thing like each like, stranded. Great here that comes in on Mike o. one step closer to a black history month stale, like it fills bearing. I really love Reidy shows and I think they have been trying to come back. And I think we just found this secret way of like doing, you know, a comedy show. We have our funniest friends on interviewing celebrities in a way that doesn't make them feel pressured, and they could just have fun and be themselves. And we just really found his secret formula that word. I don't want you to say it, like you just said. For every for the industry. Okay. Don't hit all of our cameras overshooting together. How'd you hear you. I got this camera back here. So. And you've also used the show to be a launching pad for other women of color? Absolutely. I mean, Jeff, and I both started out improv, you know, we just saw, we're like so many of our friends are funny. Women people color queer people. We don't see them like necessarily a late night shows are giving the writing job opportunities of the acting opportunities and well, why don't we just have a show like are funny friends and they can have this platform to. And I think he just really resonated with people who may be aren't huge like standup people, it'd be like, oh, there are people out there who are funny who look like me who sound like me and I can relate to this right now. We're in a moment where we are seeing misogyny and harassment expose in every industry eighty one of those industries. But part of what you call out in the book I think is really interesting is that it's an industry wide problem. It's organizational problems. So someone who works in office, they could go to HR department and say, hey, someone's being really creepy with me. You can't do that when you're not inside and organizational structure. And so I wonder then when it's an industry wide. Problem. How do you bring about change. At a certain point to hold at comedy clubs, accountable, comedy, festivals accountable, the sort of gatekeepers and have them really be like this person has been doing sexually inappropriate things in the workplace. We're not gonna just welcome them back with open arms or not. Gonna just be like, oh, this person drops in on the show you can leave if you want. It's like, no, I think it's not having that person perform there anymore because you know a stand up show is the workplace. If someone's behaving inappropriately at a standup show at a hotel where festivals happening, it's just like, well, I just don't think that person can be trusted to be in this space again. And I think it makes a lot of female comedians filled uncomfortable. It's like, well, I don't want to come back to this club of, I think that some guy's gonna show up who's been really just inappropriate and sexually abusive to other women. What are the more subtle forms of misogyny that female comics contend with? I think there's a lot of I remember when I because everyone. Starts out doing standup you're kind of like a baby in the way that your jokes aren't really that good, but you have that belief you now. So you can kinda like coast on personality, and I've seen it a lot. Were you see a female comedians start to get really good way that comedians just like, know how to like crushes show and you'll see the women crush and like none the guys on the line. We'll talk to her or like you'll show up to show and like, no one will talk to me then I'll have like a good set and the guy's like, oh, hey, what's up? And so it's all this sort of kind of like hazy Matt happens where you're kind of like, am I funny? No one's talking me we I suck. So there's a lot of mind games. I feel like how are those experiences further complicated for women of color. I think racism makes it so difficult. So there's Tennessee to just be like, oh, well, if I have this Asian girl on and it's just like a charity thing or this black girl, she's she's okay because she's not like the other black comics. It was a lot of this sort of like separation that happens, or were you have to fill yet to fit in. A certain way. And I think that what's I've been inspired by people like Tiffany, haddish in the alley Wong's and just women who are really stayed shooter their own voices. I think that's what I've done at Jessica's done, and I think for me it took a lot of I'm still working on the like not feeling inadequate when I'm in a room of really, yes. I mean, if you're on a show, you're the, I tend to be the only one way or the only person coloring show and it's all these white guys. And you know, I just do stand up at a little bit differently and I can just since that, sometimes there's a little bit like, oh, you don't do it like the way we do it, and I don't know. It's tough, and I just think that women of color really have to sort of like just because your story is different and your voices different doesn't mean that it's not valid. It's more valid because we need to have different points of view in order to all laugh in exist on this plan together. If people take one thing away from this book, what he wanted to be. I think the one thing would be. To be more self aware. I think I learned through writing a book to be more self aware and. To sort of analyze the experiences that happen to you, like the essay wrote about. Cy stuff. And how do a lot of photo shoots which again, high class problem. But I would just always be like if I would tell people, ten, twelve, ten twelve, which is I think, very kind of regular average Joes size. And then it would just bring me like a size, four or six and I couldn't fit into it is like, oh, I'm so sorry. And I just kept always apologize instead of being like, no, I showed them to this. I gave you my sizes. I'm not gonna feel bad that I'm not a size two or four. And so I think there's so many times with women, especially in life, you just sort of take the brunt of responsibility for something that's not your fault. You know what I mean? So I think with this book I learned how to like speak up for myself, more weather size, like clothing issues or like a guy making a sexually inappropriate comment to me because sometimes I've just been like, oh, like we're taught to sort of like smile or like just laugh it off. Don't make the guy feel uncomfortable, and I think we're all in this time period right now being like, we don't have to do that anymore. Now that you feel empowered to do that. There are things you look back on the you say, I wish I would have shut down a lot sooner. Yeah, I think what I look back on is comedy is very much. You don't make a lot of money for a really long time. You kind of put up with sort of like not great conditions, and I think being in comedy for ten years and having success them starting to have like, I'm now willing to ask for what I think I deserve instead of just being like, I should just be happy that I got an offer. Now I'm like, no. If you want this quality work for me, you have to pay me what I know you're paying a white guy. You just have to do it, and I'm okay asking it and I find that like a haven't had any problems being like, this is what I think I deserve. And so I'm glad that I'm learning that lesson now my early thirties and I hope that carries through. But yeah, I think that's the thing look back on. It's just like I've done like a lot of work for free or like fifty bucks right something and it's just like, you don't have to accept that any more. Thanks so much. Thanks for having me. Phoebe Robinson, they're talking about how comedy can be a harsh place for women. 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REShow: Mike Florio - Hour 2 (03-15-21)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Mike Florio - Hour 2 (03-15-21)

"This is the rich eisen. Show live from the rich eisen show studio in los angeles leaders are the key to the patriot league. They allied is celebrate. Kellogg here on the rich eisen show you get there you better strap it on and play because whoever's in front of you typically compete you if you don't perform earlier on this show. Espn college basketball analyst. Jay tillis coming up host of peacocks. Pro football talk mike. Florio pro football hall of famer. Kurt warner rich eisen. Hey everybody welcome our number. Two of the rich eisen show her on. The air on peacock go get peacock for free By downloading the app and then you can get us for free every day between twelve and three eastern. After the dan patrick show on. Nbc sports on peacock loan channel. That's unlike any other channel on any other streamers so check it all out Every single day you can listen to us on this rich eisen show radio affiliate whether it's either terrestrial or sirius. Xm channel to eleven nbc. Sports audio nbc. Sports on peacocks. Mike florio of profootballtalk will be joining us in twenty minutes. Time to talk about A handful of items here on a very busy. First day of the free agency New league year tampering window opening up where general managers and agents and front offices and agents are allowed to actually talk to one another even though the no doubt already have Kurt warner will join us an hour number three of this show my pro football hall of fame friend from nfl network. I will be chatting with him on. Nfl network on their free agency frenzy. Show coming up right after we're done so i'm gonna have to stay after class today but that's okay. I'm used to that from back in the day. Good to see you. Chris brockman and mike del tufo guys over there. Good to see you good to see you. Tj jefferson over. There tony tony. Tony lied to us all those years. What do you mean it's raining in southern california promised that it doesn't and it wouldn't it is it's true. We were collecting animals by two over here to start today. Which over here. It's just like a imagine you're in colder climes. Right now are usually called decline imagining literally. Ten feet of snow falling out of the sky. That's what people feel about here in los angeles. No that's no room on the ball so wrong. Oh gosh seamus mike del to your only. Don't even wanna finish rains. Almost done we got about thirty minutes. So we're we're sheltered. We're we're good here. shack barrett's men signed long-term by the tampa bay buccaneers. So chris godwin got his his franchise. Tag levante david. Who's on thursday show has got a two year deal That's reported to be coming and now shaq barrett's got a four year deal and The buccaneers have a handful of other free agents. That they need to sign Brady redid his deal now. When you're you're hearing these quarterbacks redo their deals like say l. Well here's the deal. Patrick mahomes earlier in the week. Right right Or orlando late. Last week restructured his deal and gave the chiefs a ton of cap space and to to know do what they need to do in free agency and where where what we hear this stuff. And we hear we think of well chiefs i guess decided now the free agencies right around the corner they decided you know they got to go to mahomes. Call him up. Whenever you hear that a contract has been redone right. I think people believe. And i used to believe that was like brett. Vh general manager of the chiefs realizing free agencies. Right around the corner. I got a call him a homes like and they call them like last night. Hey i know that you're you know you're been watching some sort of show right but We we need your help. I mean we're capped out and we're right around the corner in the caps totally changed and you know we call my agent right. We'll call up his agent. Hey we need your help. We gotta do this. You've got to do this for us. I think that's what fans kind of think that when when this happens. That's how it goes on or or you could even say like at some point it dawns upon the team that they need the help of the quarterback or whoever's making the most money to redo deal and you read like turn salary in a signing bonus and then you can amortize and you push it out five ten years dead cap turns this cap and that cats got this cap. You got a soft cap hard. Cotton new year is just sorta glaze over. And you're thinking bottom line teams in trouble needed to help the quarterback and that's the team effort right there team. Let me let me let me let you in on all this stuff okay. Open the door. There's no doubt in my mind. I could be wrong. But there's no doubt in my mind that when they did this deal brett. Vh and mahomes and his agent is that hey before the two thousand and twenty one season. We're we're going to start to come the we're gonna ask for this amount of money and then you know that's part of the deal like this. This is how we can get home and twenty twenty this how we need to get home in twenty twenty one and this is how we need to get home and twenty twenty two and then maybe just the fact that the cap got caught down a little bit you know so it is something that might have been new just for this year but these are all plans in place to the point where the news. The news isn't that quarterback has redone contract. News is quarterback won't redo contract. That's the news if it comes out at one point that they asked for the money and the quarterback says no that will be the news so when somebody redoes their contract. It isn't like oh my gosh you know. Set off the alarm bells i. I would bet that they've even made this deal. I would bet when they made this deal with brady. We'll do right now and you know at some point they call them up and they say you want to keep doing this you do. Okay so this is where will continue on in the manner in which they probably even talked about it last year and then they might call up and just say hey. Tom godwin needs this exce. Sorta thing that's how we're gonna handle all this. We need that contract redone that we talked about just a little glimpse into things here on free agency frenzy. Monday we just had a big signing over. There looks like jonnu. Smith the titans titans tight end. Big fella going to the patriots. You gotta like that on a lot at four years. Fifty million. Thirty one guaranteed. He's a good one man allies street. Yeah titans did not franchise tag him correct him and corey davis free to walk. Maybe we'll take him to write you like that a lot. I bet you do so okay. Here's cam who is you know. How a great relationship with greg olsen. All those years cam looks for his tied-in we all know. New england uses the tight end in that system. I liked that side. I like to keep going. How about the patriots starting to spend on free agency like that sixty six may the train and marcus cannon yesterday to free up about six million almost sixty seven million in cap space for new england. I might be spending bell check. Always praise jonnu smith. We go call them the best after the catch at his position. Here we go. Let's go okay. talk myself into it. You didn't go higher register for ball back on. I will tell you this. chris. Chris this season when you show up on the rich eisen show on victory mondays for the new england dressed as cam newton dressed the day before as you attempt to go through your closet both of our class. Okay oh yeah you share closets as you take her and your goodwill stuff and put it together and try and not look like inspector gadget addressed. And where i will just say this. You will have more days where you're like i. I could see what bella check and josh mcdaniels did by resigning him and doing it early doing early. And saying you're our guy you have more of those days than this is just the worst i mean. I hope you're right. Obviously but this right here what we're talking about right here. I just don't know if the quarterbacks the right fit. I wonder what they're gonna do with future at the quarterback and then you're like sitting here going all right. Jonnu smith says he's one of the past after the catch and he is an excellent athlete at the position. You saw breakaway speed. And you know obviously tennessee. Titans football is predicated on running. I it's not really this high octane passing off. And so that would be a nice fit for your team this whole stuff about cam and jonnu and all right. I'm gonna i'm gonna talk yourself into. It is exactly what i said almost a year ago to this date when brady sign with the bucks and i looked at you and i said welcome to the rest of us. Welcome to the rest of us. Welcome to aren't drafting in the middle of the first round. What are we gonna do. Welcome to what. Are we going to at quarterback in the future. Welcome to are they gonna spend in free agency and is it the right. Move all of that. Twenty years seth. You were sitting in a rocking chair now. Welcome to the rest of us which is a festivus for the rest of us to look at a patriot fan and see you go through all this and by the way if you need help figuring out how to go through all this. I'm right here. He's only twenty five ago. You look at The last two years receiving totals. He's number three yards after the catch behind. Kittle and noah fant dude. He's he's really good enriched with all due respect to you. Thank you in your jet. Fandom i think would be a better barometer for brooklyn considering my team actually was dynasty and then we got bad. Your team wasn't so much. Like i could help you to know what it's like the pinnacle and the top of the mountain and then slowly have that you're going back to you. T j o. We're all along. I get it you ever won anything in thirty years so Tell us tell us what it felt like. When you're in college going through all that cell phone is they. Don't ask man. Hey i was that guy. stephen. A smith love the. Hey i was. I was i. Was you opened up the obnoxious in dictionary in the early ninety. Oh it still comes out and texture me dress in dallas guard like that was made still comes out and you when it comes to the cowboys in the same way. If you cut me off traffic my new york accent will still come out. You know i get still in me. The new york accent. Lemme they're not just cowboy. Fan is still in you. You just don't have the gumption wherewithal show at sometimes because you're also more of an adult these days be circumstances circumstances. Let them be good. Lord i saw a mask and chunk out of the very good. Let them be good just one more way chris. I'm i'm here for you in all shapes and sizes and for all different things and i think maybe you're learning now again your your son cage brockman. Yes now thirteen months old closing in on thirteen months old kerala causing an ara closing in on our perhaps you are learning that all manners of clocks being moved forward and back are an absolute abomination and nothing short of cruel and unusual punishment for parents with children as spring and forward. You might think. Hey he's slept in. He slept in but then putting him down. And i'll tell you what my my whatever happened in your household last night might have been good one night second night. No shot. And i'll tell you what just in terms of getting better i got a twelve twelve. I got ten. I got a seven and all of them woke up just regular time anyway and all of them when trying to put him to sleep last night. We're like wait a minute. Why why are we going to sleep now. Even though it says on the clock when our normal bedtime is their body clocks would just go and bouncing up and then this morning was a disaster and it just makes you sit here as a parent of children. And you're like look. I will tip my cap to the farmers of seventeen eighty five or whatever they were doing in order to grow the corn or whatever but do not have in the twenty first century ability to farm and do whatever we need to do to grow stuff. I mean i know hours total idiot. Twenty four hours a day but can we stop with the clocks moving forward and backwards. Can we finally be done with say. Cage was great yesterday today. Got tax doesn't want to go to of course want an app because short disaster disaster if we put a poll question. How do you want to change clocks back and forth. it would be ninety two ted. Cut the madness. Stop the madness. Keep the clocks. You could be ninety ten ninety ten ninety eight t to be honest. Maybe earning they're saying. Yeah you know what i liked. Moving clocks around. It's not a problem is it. Does this by the way adult. Y sundays is never a problem either way. It's the second day like this morning alarm went off. I was like what is happening. Yeah we we. We noticed. Took notice when tj walked in the door. And that's a little confused we saw. I was trying to book. I was on the phone spoken l. Let's let's land that plane. Then that'll be it's up. It's up rich. S won't even be close. Is it time to ditch daylight saving. Honestly i out there saying you know what i kinda like it later on in the fall when suddenly gets dark out two hours after launch. Three who loves that. Who loves it. And then who's just like you know. Watched i kinda love waking up in the middle of march and i lose an hour contradict that i kinda that i kinda. I kinda liked that. My kids have no earthly idea. What time it is in their body clocks are completely different from what our schedule is. And let's just mess with parent of small kids. I know you guys don't have it. And i know i might be talking to some people out there who don't have small children but people parents have small. Children are literally pounding the wherever they are right now. Hearing every word out of my mouth i agree. It is cruel and unusual punishment. Maybe damn near unconstitutional cool about arizona. They don't which clocks at this. Is this thing. I think i could put it in perspective. Turning the clocks back is is right above and the rate. What's the worst thing. Okay of things that really don't matter in the world got it okay number three. Oh talk three. Pike underneath right underneath tournament clocks back to underneath the three is eating pizza with a knife and fork. And you know how i feel about that that is truly like somebody should be institutionalized if somebody's like much number three and you're not cutting it up for a baby like you're doing yourself three pizza four knife to turn the clock back and forward and then number one. Is this fumble through the end zone. That gets changed. I hate when that finally we'll spring that with one patriots just made another signing potable teas that flow path but before we go to break. Here's what i want do later on. Okay okay in honor of the thing. We hate the most in spring. I wanna come up with. I want you guys to come up with a sports story. A current sports scenario right. Now that's playing out on this date middle of march k. And spring foot. Like what would you want to spring forward on got it and people can call into at eight four four to all right. We'll do that after florio. We're we're we're keeping we're we've got to be on time on these clocks certainly show. We gotta take a break to be on time for mike floor. I'm still asleep. It's a podcast about money but stacking benjamin's not only has great financial insight. It's lay back with humor too. 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Okay look at them. Let's go to work and moves. It's gonna to work and As promised joining us here on the rich eisen show from profootballtalk which starts day. Npf t pm which ends are day right on nbc sports on peacock everyday. Is mike. florio back here on the show. How are you michael. Great rich how are you. I'm doing fine. The patriots digman suddenly. Now free agent. Hawks that's what we're looking at right now. If that character because previously it was like green bay packers style. Very rarely making a splash. Daily as thomas in seven or thereabouts. The phone gilmore. They usually don't go out and spend market value. They had that cap space that they build up last year. And they're spending it tight end jonnu smith. I think that's huge. When you keep cam. Newton one thing to keep cam newton with the guys that you had on the field around him last year. If you're going to upgrade what you have on both sides of the ball team that was seven and nine you know we. We think the patriots like maybe three and thirteen because it's so rare for them to not be good. No they're not far from contention. They keep cam newton for the whole year. They have in in the second season in the system. The covert stuff messed up last year. This is a team that i think it's going to be written off by a lot of people making moves like this. They're going to get back on the radar screen. But this is the way that you spend that money. Spend that cap space. They definitely have cash. A lot of the teams have cap space. But they don't have cash because they lost a lot of money last year. No you know there are plenty of owners that don't earn a lot of money in their other lines of business. But robert kraft didn't have any issues. There can pay these guys and bella. Check spending the money and you know. I have a feeling. They're going to keep going and the bargains are still to come. That's what shocked me about this. I thought the patriots would just wait and go out and gobble up. A bunch of bargains wants the market softened for them to be jumping in especially this year. And he's going to be so many bargains. That's what surprises me. The most mike florio here on the rich eisen. Show get into the saints here. as expected drew brees announces. His retirement nasr expected as announced today on the today. Show he's joining Family that we're both part of nbc sports so What next i mean. Take some of that. That contract certainly caused me to refresh my screen a couple of times the contract extension for years one hundred and forty million dollars but gimme the layman's terms about what the saints did here and what it does mean for their quarterback scenario moving forward you the floor on this. Heidi of the deal rich is fake. They could have picked any numbers say wanted. And it's not a coincidence that they went with thirty five million dollar average. Because that's the russell wilson average per year under his deal. That was not a coincidence. I'm told but it could have been anything and the problem is the way that it first came out. And we know how the sausage gets made. Reporters do favors and they. They will engage in some liberties and it. It was just enough to get people to think it's the four year one hundred and forty million dollar deal and it's not it's just a device for taking what he's going to make this year and spreading it out over five years so they can pick up some cap space. They picked up seven point. Seven five million in cap space. I asked somebody what does tastes. He'll get out of this. He gets two things one he gets. All of his compensation guaranteed for twenty twenty one. Not that there was any doubt he wasn't gonna make anyway and to. He creates cap space so they can improve the team around. Of course the irony may be the cap space they create pays for jameis winston to come back and compete with tastes them hill and potentially take the starting job so Couple things one is. Why was It not coincidental the number that they just chose one hundred and forty million for thirty five million dollar average for russell wilson. Did they still think that that's a possibility. I was more of a wink to the reality that it's not a possibility now. Look we don't know who has called. I think it would be incumbent on any of the four teams that were flagged by mark. Rogers represents russell wilson seventeen eighteen days ago to make that phone call and see hypothetically what it would take to get russell wilson you have to do your due diligence. I think once you fully guarantee tastes them hills pay for this year turn it into a signing bonus to create cap space. That means hill is going to be on the team. Which means he wouldn't be part of a trade package most likely to get russell wilson which also means that. They're not going to have both guys not at those numbers on the roster. Although russell wilson only has a nineteen million dollar salary this year that's one benefit whoever picks him up gets it's not like they're inheriting a huge cap number if they get him because it's just nineteen. The problem is what you're also inheriting. He's gonna wanna deal at some point especially in the aftermath of dak prescott. But i think the saints aren't in now watch they'll probably announce the trade later today as i say but i i just. I don't see it happening because i there's no reason to to do the taste. Them hill restructuring. If you're just going to send his contract to seattle and once they did that you know it's it's kinda like with the cowboys. Once they did there is of course. He's not going there once they do. The restructuring of tastes them hill. I feel like he's staying in new orleans and the saints are gonna look elsewhere nuno's maybe next year. They tried to trade for russell wilson. If he doesn't leave seattle this year and so the hill and jameson scenario. We we may not know who. The saints are starting at quarterback week one until a training camp decision. Is that why i mean. Look at look at what they did and they managed to do it. Most coaches can't pull this off where they keep it close to the vest until they're ready for people to know who the quarterback is going to be but that first week win drew brees wasn't able to play with twenty eight broken ribs this year and we didn't know is it. Winston is hill sean. Payton does a great job of keeping. Everyone's mouth shut and we found out it was hill when peyton wanted us to know. I think he envisions. Payton does a competition between hill and winston and we know that payton has the willingness to use both guys if he thinks it's advantageous. Remember that long pass on the trick. Play that they stole from the bears in the division around loss to the buccaneers that wasn't thrown by hill. He's got the arm to throw it. They brought jameis winston and let him throw it. So i think he beat and who use the guy and maybe use both guys. Mike florio here on the rich eisen. Show the monday of free agency week in the nfl and twenty twenty one right here on the rich eisen. Show out of all the quarterbacks situations to use our phrase that pays in the nfl media Pretty much every team. That may need a quarterback or could change a quarterback or definitely need a quarterback. That's a large group of people And teams mike You know every one of them could go ahead and draft one or hold onto who they currently have with the exception in my mind and the chicago bears. The bears could draft one twenty. But you know who who are you going to get potentially to just throw out there and maybe catch fire for a coach and general manager. That's on the hot seat And trubisky running back with him even though he's a free agent or foles i don't think is tenable. What are they gonna do. Do they really think that they can go ahead. And pry russell wilson lewis with the package that may include the water tower. I mean what what what. What is that mike. What are you guys from me on that front. I think it's gonna be very difficult for them. To put something on the table that will get the seahawks to say yes and when they restructured. Kaleo max deal kicking some money from this year into future. Years reducing his cap number that seemingly takes back out of the conversation for the trade compensation to try to get russell wilson. I just think that if the teams that have been identified. It's going to be hard to pull off now. The four teams identified. I don't think that's the full and complete universe. This is a gut feeling on my part. I think there may be some other teams out there. That mark rogers strategically omitted that could ultimately potentially get involved in this and wilson would accept the trade. But i think it'd be hard for the bears and rich. You mentioned the possibility of using that twentieth overall. Pick on a quarterback people will know by the time the first round of the draft rolls around whether or not the bears are looking and if they haven't addressed their quarterback position in a way that people will say. Oh that's definitely the guy. Then you may as well have a sign out in front of halas hall. It says we're taking a quarterback with the twentieth. Pick so you better jump the number nineteen if you want the best guy who's left as the pick draws closer and closer to us which is an ideal either. So they're in a they're in a mess here and i know there's a report over the weekend they're moving on from mitchell trubisky. I'm told they haven't ruled out. They've got everything on the table. And just gonna see how it plays out at some point though. You've got to move on if you're trying to get russell wilson you've got to move on from that and go toward someone who you believe is at least gonna be your guy for this year. The thing about russell. Mike it is just i. We don't know how bad their the relationship between coach carroll and and russell wilson really is right i mean but why would he want to leave a spot where d- king metcalf is there and lock it is there and no matter what the protection may be. You know they're going to run it right so so you're not going to be in a situation like stafford who never got a one hundred yard. Rusher out i mean and then you know you know bobby wagner is going to be there you know. There's some like there's some people are you know that can that can go ahead. And and when you some games like i. What is it that bad that they're doing that or or they're just sending a signal up to just give an idea that it can get this bad and you'd better fix it right now. I mean like wh what is going on there. I think ultimately what he wants rich the offense to run through him with a patrick mahomes and he doesn't believe it runs through him. They did it last year for a while with russ cook thing and then the defense is caught up to what they were doing in this new. Look offense and they did a poor job of pivoting away from what the defense is. Were doing to slow them down. There was that stretch with seven. Turnovers bhai wilson in two games and that was the moment according to the athletic where he went in with ideas for how to improve the offense in advance of the short week game against the cardinals and they politely told him no and stormed out of the room according again to the athletic so i think plan for him is give me what i want. Let let me be the offense. Let me be patrick mahomes. And if you're not gonna do that trait me to a team that well. I think that's the play here so he could very well stay. And if the seahawks don't get an offer they can't or won't refuse. He will stay. Put think about how dysfunctional it will be. you know. i always root for good stories. And obviously it'd be a great story for wilson got traded seahawks fans be a great great story for us. Wouldn't it be a better story. If the entire year is just one hayes of dysfunction for the week out and every carol press conference in every russell wilson press conference. And how many times would he say go hawks. And how many times will he say. Not go hawks and i it just it it. It's they have to ask themselves if we're careening toward an end. When's the best time to remove the band aid. The appeal it off slowly first season. Or you're just rip it off now and only they know whether or not they're comfortable going forward with a year. That could be a complete mess. Like floreal here on the rich eisen show The buck signing shaq barrett long-term levante david to your deal Brady extends To provide cap relief that currently For the team has chris godwin under a franchise tag for the moment so that keeps him off the market This week what is jason lights to do list best. You can tell right here for a team that said they thought they could resign. Everybody well they got to figure out what they're gonna do. Leonard fournette and that may be a luxury. They can't afford another creating plenty of cap space between brady and got relatively low cap number for shack barrett south of six million. If you could extend chris godwin deal you create more cap space. So i look. They've managed to keep so far guy is that he was kind of on the fence. Where they can do with chris godwin with they franchise tag them. If they didn't he was likely walking away. They don't tag shaq barrett. He doesn't walk away. He resigns my guess is they made it clear to him. You got an offer on the table until noon on monday. Once the market opens we got a bunch of other options out there at pass rusher. We're going to start signing them up unless you say yes he said yes. They still haven't dom consumer out there gronk and aby. I assume if they play for anybody they're gonna play for the bucks. So i don't rule out for example the seahawks getting in on abc. Because that's the guy that russell wilson who clamored for in the past. I don't rule out the packers getting in on because that could be a guy that aaron rodgers clamours for gronk. I think though if he plays for anybody he's playing for the buccaneers. So i think that. It's down to sue leonard fournette and then i think just a matter of time before gronk and ab come back unless there's a curve ball that's thrown into the antonio brown discussion. And what are you hearing about before. I let you go because this is Part and parcel of free agency. Week the draft and what you're hearing about About the jets sitting in that To position in that domino spot. What are you hearing about their decision. Making in how. That involves the shawn watson potentially in houston more and more i hear about. It's like to forget about that joe. Douglas is not gonna sell anything remotely close to the farm required to get watson who might not be interested the jets anyway. What do you think about this Scenario that could affect So many other a quarterback situations in the nfl joe douglas gm and that team's been doing building from the inside out not the outside in focusing on the line offensive and defensive. And yet chris simms on your show last week over. Zack wilson as in his mind. The best quarterback in the draft and if the jets e and wilson. What sim season wilson. Why would you try to trade for anybody else. You get a guy straight out of college on a rookie deal where you can spend around him. Because you know. You've got him on affordable contract relative to what quarterbacks cost and he could be the guy that the jets have been looking for ever since joe namath. Went to the rams. So i think that that it makes sense to use the free agency money to work on the offensive line and for that second overall pick again it comes down to how they feel about. Zack wilson but simms pretty pretty strong on this. And he's got a good track record of spot and these guys whether it's patrick. Mahomes lamar jackson or whoever and he's all over. Zack wilson so until i hear otherwise. That's what i'm that's what. I'm keeping my eye on us. Free agency for other positions and go grab your franchise quarterback with number two so you know how the way this works and a roadmap For it would be what arizona did once. They drafted cuyler maree. And then traded. Josh rosen you know. That deal wasn't made until the friday night. Because you're not going to get rid of sam darnold even though you love. Zack wilson until you actually have zack. Wilson like zach doesn't fall and break his leg the day before the draft of the morning of trying to get out of his hotel room. If that's the way we could get back in the regularity honestly in cleveland you know so so who might be still in the market. Do you think For a quarterback of the friday night of the draft getting through free agency in the first round. Could that be like the bears dream scenario that we get to bring this all full circle. Who do you think would would be a market for. Sam darnold on the If it is that late of a trigger pull on the deal. I think that's another reason for the jets to wait until after around one because there will most likely be one team standing all seats filled as far as first round quarterbacks go and so they're still going to be looking and they didn't go all in in free agency to get a guy who was a clear answer or via trade. They didn't get the guy they want it in the first round of the draft. So let's go get sam darnold and you get more if you're the jets if you get a team that's desperate because they didn't get remember. Josh rosen got a second round pick for arizona so yeah i think i think that time line makes sense whether it's the bears whether it's the forty niners who've been linked to sam darnold and i think they hold onto jimmy garoppolo until they get an upgrade and then possibly cut him loose because twenty. Five million i think is more than than than what his current skill and ability to stay healthy justifies. But yeah i think sam darnold could be that delayed reaction guy this year after that first day of the draft you got an eighteen hour window or so and the jets would make the most of it and finding a partner for darnold. Mike really appreciate it as always somebody who bet. Mike florio checkout. Pf t pm on right here on nbc. Sports on peacock as news is a break-in left and right and he starts every day right here on nbc sports on peacock profootballtalk. We'll take a break. We'll be back in a second right here on the show back. You're on the rich eisen. Show radio network Kurt warner and our number three. Our poll question for That you wanna put up there for the nfl as the nfl's big three the problem with saying nfl's big. Three's the chiefs have a big three but it's tight end. Receiver quarterback just tyreek hill. We were going wide receiver. I mean no. Because aaron joe like when you say big three or talk about quarterback receiver and run should have specified. Can't for the chiefs. You can't put clyde edwards helaire and there. But i don't think he's even a top ten running back in the league right now. You can't even say that right now about him but you could say hill kelsey and mahomes is one of the best. You know. Three headed weapons. And you've put the cowboys in there and you said the cowboys camp include. Why kosdaq was hurt last year. Because when you're paying dak prescott forty forty million a year and you're wide receiver twenty million a year and you're running back. What they're paying zeke. Damn straight the big three better. Come through for the dallas cowboys and But you know when you refer to triplets and big three as dallas you thinking wide receiver running back and quarterback. Nobody's ever going to be better than three hall of famers like that for dallas. I mean that's obvious. So i mean but you definitely have to include dallas in that. I said rams vikings chiefs in the packers rams. Who's that cooper kupp bobbing robert woods data because you conclude minnesota quarterback is the weak link. Exactly which is why. He can't have him on there. So that's why. I was saying josh allen flow is great but the running back is running back has less than beyond less. I mean you could say you could say buffalo at the weakest run game of any team in the playoffs last year. You can throw them in with anybody with the exception of the steelers who had a dreadful run game going into the playoffs last year. Put them just to have fun. You could cause you go. Brady playoff lenny and mike evans. Kevin you know ronald jones. You could do that. But but then again. You're not putting that requirement on the chiefs well because the tight end receiver quarterback situation. That's why it's kind of different title on one-size-fits-all poll question intended to be quarterback running back wide receiver. That's what if you wanna go quarterback running back wide receiver. I think you would be hard pressed to find a better one with the packers are putting on the field. Thank you right. name me another one. That's where we're trying to come up with okay because carson and decay no shot. I mean that that does not beat the parish. Yeah so. I don't even know if this is a poll question now we we were just having but what about. What about the Spring forward what about that. Poll question okay. So that is the way. I put it as a time to ditch daylight saving. Yes or no seventy nine percent yes. That's not high enough. Who's twenty one percent saying almonte springing forward or back like what's not twenty one percent. What does it matter with these people. And i say that with all no no respect no respect. I told you i told you. A few three is people who eat pizza with a knife and fork as an adult number. Two is daylight savings at spring and fall back number. One is the fumble through the end zone. Those are the most outrageous things of anything. That's not really that series. I think a few people on twitter were taken literally like some of the comments. Were ditch standard time. Daylight time permanent. So they're being very specific so let's just say don't mess with the clocks as your point. That's right yeah don't because you're messing with me and you're messing with my family. My children in my home where they come and play with their toys. My bbc literally daylight savings is like shooting in my house of like the godfather. Oh man i know it's very serious serious with the clock instead of bullets. Obviously all right. Let's get to Let's get to what we were having a conversation about. Because this is the only way that. I don't mind springing forward in honor of something that should be discontinued There's a ton of stories out there. This is kind of like a higher register without going higher register that we truly believe this stuff so high register order. You first chris and then ut jay. I'll finish up strong on sport stories that you'd like to spring forward on right now so i never. The story is on march fifteenth. We could spring forward and get the answer. But he for me all right. I'm going to england patriots. I'm looking at this as a fan of their of their team. I know they brought back cam newton on another one year deal and now. They're spending money in free agency which is very uncharacteristic forward. I think i want spring forward to like. I want to see what this looks like. I want to see. Is cam the starting quarterback. Yes did they draft someone in next month's nfl draft. Did they sign someone else. You wanna blow off the summer and spring all the way to phone. Just get right to the fall. Because i wanna see how it's all been fitting together is going to make it work but is that translating to wins on the field. Did they beat buffalo in september. Always play the bills in september. Did they beat them. How do they look compared to the jets. How do they look compared to the to us down in miami. I wanna see how that's going five and one ran out of the gate. His cam starting strong like last year. I'm really curious. 'cause it's gonna drive me nuts until it happened over there. Tj jefferson which your spring forward. You want to spring forward. Rich in chris and they'll to i've got to basketball teams that love in Talk about the sixers right now. You know joel embiid has been having a monster season putting up. You know i round up thirty twelve and three per game and then he had a knee injury. That happened brockman text. Me immediately was like oh no. It looked like his left knee had dislocated turns out. Hyper-extended animist two three weeks to three weeks right. So i'm thinking man like that's about nine ten game so i want to spring forward a little bit right. I'm gonna see how the sixers respond without their best player. The most dominant big man in basketball. And then i just want to see. Can they keep it together enough to hold the nets at bay and found louis bring the sixers their first championship since eighty three. I'm just. I just want to get to this point and okay. That's your spring forward right there by the way thanks for calling me For about joel embiid whose only the most important player on my fantasy team kept court like sat by the pistons until he's on another team now. He's under the team. He doesn't even play getting up to speed like he's eighty. He's eighty pounds overweight. That's great waiting on. Andre drummond that's great. Cj mccollum is hurt. That's great by the way. When i say great not great lonzo's playing great now. That's not my spring forward. The good my spring for my spring forward is very simple because it not only involves a team that i'm obviously emotionally attached to but it involves the sport that i cover for for not only in this show but the nfl network. What are the jets going to do a quarterback because what they do at quarterback effect so many other teams if they go get the shawn watson that obviously affects another team and the texans and then what they do for evermore and then if they draft a quarterback that means it would be zach wilson off the board. How does that domino affect other teams in the draft where they're choosing a quarterback and then who comes and get sam darnold and then if the jets decide they keep sam darnold who they trade. The number two overall pick to. And what does that mean for the jets. Not only with donald this year. But forevermore it's a major choice that the jets are going to make on the last thursday in april so i'm just going to spring forward to the end of april. I'm literally in spring forward to the end of april and see what happens. I want to know the answer to that right now even though that dramas going to be something we talk about here for quite some adver sure to spring forward on the effect so many other teams. So that's our little spring for what the boat name. Oh that i've been being nagged about so you want to spring forward a spring forward. Guess what everybody. I'm not be keeping this boat. I mean be getting a new one. Stunned on a mike go see. Is that a real photograph of the that is the post. You might not keep this boat. Why get a beer with the great hager pro moving on a johnson in the marinas on i just. I need a bigger boat. Jaws my favorite movie selling some games. Our so you're not. I thought you were saying you're going to spring forward to see what you're going to name your current bow spring forward to see if you're getting a bigger boat about yeah that boat that we just saw on the screen does not have any name on the back. No name is like driving around with my license plate. No it's what they call a good luck though it's fine is that why you're getting a bigger boats because you wanna name it. It's one of yeah already has a name right now. No actually the one on one or two. I've looked at names. But i'm not telling you know. Actually here's why he wants a bigger name because right now on that boat he can only fit the words to pump were. Hey i'm not gonna sorry. Mike you walk down also fit six okay everybody. You can't pay tv and brockman. Some reason reasonable joy plump. But i hope we never do it again. Get rid of daylight savings warner coming up. Rich eisen show.

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Kyler Murray Talk, New Coaches & Divisional Preview

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

35:28 min | 2 years ago

Kyler Murray Talk, New Coaches & Divisional Preview

"And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody was going on DJ Bucky here. Move the sticks. And we have plenty coaching news to talk about today. Buck as well as it sounds like a very intriguing player entering the NFL draft yet crazy last forty eight hours with all the coaching moves and then prominent quarterback decided at he is going to cast his lot and to national fully. Oh, yeah. By the way, we have some big playoff games this weekend as well. Four G kind of a big deal. We'll jump in. And do our preview of those games. Once we get through this. This news here at the top which is going to consist of a lot of new hotel coaching hires. But it's not official yet. I guess, but there's reports that came out that said the Oklahoma quarterback Heisman Trophy winning quarterback. Kyle Murray is going to throw his hat into the ring. And maybe baseball is is on the back burner. Buck maybe this is this is this is a football kid right now in baseball in color Murray yet talented playmaker. Obviously husband trophy winner is a special and unique town. Wanted the position we could talk about all the good things that he brings to the feel high Q bigtime arm. Tremendous athlete has speed is quickness loves to perform on the big stage has a reputation for being a winner going all the way back to high school some say he may have been the best high school player that ever played the state of Texas. We says a lot, but he is going to have to work around two things you have to work around the height size deal being at a guy that will probably come in at under five ten summer saying five nine and he's under two hundred pounds. And so you weren't you wonder if he's big enough to the withstand the contact and physicality punishment of playing in the league. And then the other thing is the baseball issue, which one does he really really love because he's been a first round pick in baseball is more committed to playing baseball the football. There will be some of the things that is to work through. But there's no doubt in my mind. Just from a pure talent perspective that he is a first round talent is just a matter of which team is willing to Bank on his. Willingness to come to the league and his ability to get it done in a league. Yeah. And we say this every year when it when it comes to these draft prospects and work, you know, people want to go work with they go look it only takes one team. You can talk to twenty teams that say, you know, what he doesn't really fit with us. You know, we're not going to alter what we're doing a little bit. And and his size would be an issue for us. It only takes one. And there will definitely be one. I'd be shocked if this kid didn't go in the first round in what I I watched him last night book first thing that is I watched all the third and six plus throws which I love to watch on all these quarterbacks. You kind of eliminate some of the bubble screens. See these guys pushed the ball down the field. He has got a cannon. I mean, he has huge arm. Baker Mayfield, it a very strong arm as we've all seen this kid's arm is every bit as strong if not stronger ball jumps out of his hand. He's obviously one of the fastest quarterbacks. You ever gonna see when he takes off? He covers ground in a hurry. But I don't think he's accurate as Baker was on the on the on the flip side. I think that's a little bit of an issue there. I don't think he moves around pocket quite as well as Baker. He wants to get out of there little bit more. So I don't think he's the he's different. He's a different player. He's a different style of play a little bit even though they played in the same offense. But if you commit to it, and you wanna spread people out and and put him back deep in the shotgun where he can see which basically is NFL football right now. Absolutely. This guy can play. It's it's weird. I would've never thought. I mean, if you if both of us were having a conversation in the coffee shop and in mobile at the senior bowl five years ago and said we're gonna five foot eight five foot nine quarterback, no chance to different. It's changed man. And and you've got to adjust to it. I think he's a more natural passer than Lamar Jackson. I I don't know where you are on that. But I think it's just he can throw from a variety of platforms, and he can throw with some, touch, and and and everything else. So I thought he was a better thrower of the football in the more. Yeah. I don't even think there's similar in at all in terms of how they play whatever I think the biggest thing for. Me is I would comprom- to more like Russell Wilson in terms of like kinda starting from their bases, particularly because Russell also played baseball. He is not as thick as rose. What are you going away? By the way, I think is going to be probably about one ninety five. I don't think he's much bigger than that. If that, you know, and he's he's going to be whatever he is five eight and a half five nine five ten I went back, and I looked at our opening stuff when he came through, and it he measured out at five ten out. I don't know if that was just a generous measurement. He didn't do he didn't do any of the testing. And normally I just kind of wanted to see what he ran. But he didn't do anything some of that may have been due to the baseball stuff. But he's more explosive than Russell is as an athlete. I will say there aren't talent is comparable. I think one thing when it comes to Russ's that he's not as thick as Ross was internet league. And we've seen how Russ is kinda grown into his body and become a little sticker. You know? I don't know if Calicut ever be Russell's Bill. But I do believe look kid has been playing all of his life. Like, he's never had any major injuries. He's always been away found a way to be successful. They talk about Texas high school football being the best football this out there. He did it at a bigger stage in the big twelve. So I won't count them out. And in this draft. I think is a perfect storm because we could talk about doing Haskins be into prototypical. But all those other guys. They question marks everywhere. So why not throw you your, you know, your head into the ring and just kinda see which team falls in love when I talk to people. I got a lot of favorable responses. I'll look man he might not be necessarily for our team when there's no doubt about the talent. And so when you hear enough of those you begin to think like me he's going into first round. I just have no idea where. Yeah. No, I agree with that assessment. He's going to definitely go in the first round. And then there's that I saw Schefter head kind of speculated a little bit this morning that you know, there's video floating around of Kingsbury saying the first pick when he was you know, while. Obviously never knew he would be on with a team that had the first pick. And then you've got Josh Rosen their Zona. So maybe they trade Josh Rosen. They draft calamari Murray. Number one, commit fulltime to this cliff cliff Kingsbury brand of football. But when I when I saw that report buck, I don't know where you are on this. But my first thought was no-one what we learned about. Josh Rosen a little bit through the draft process, even just because Adam Schefter, so reputable, the fact that this is being floated out there if Josh Rosen is unquestioned your guy, you better get out here. Someone needs to get out there and say something right away for hours and say happened. We have Josh Rosen or Josh Rosen. You'll be ha- that ain't gonna that is not going to end. Well, if you don't back him right now. And then you end up keeping an staying which Astros, and that will not be forgotten by Josh Rosen won't be. So that's why they need to squash. It if there's anything especially because it came on a cliff Kingsbury mouth, even though it came out of his mouth in October. He needs to squash and say Josh Rosen is my God. And I know he was very if you in his praise at the Prescott was before. Collar murray. Right. Right. So now, yes to make sure ain't go back and make sure that number three knows a you're my guy, we won't build a single round you and this how we're going to proceed Steve com. Also can kind of squashed at as well to let everyone know that we already have our franchise quarterback. We're looking to find another impact player the top of the draft. Yeah. Well, it'll be interesting. See what happens there with collar Murray? I would just kind of pencil it and right now based off what I've seen plenty more work to do on. All these guys. I I would still have it as Haskins at number one buck, and then to meet two and three actually kinda liked drew lock more than I thought. I would. I know the completion percentage did not great. I kinda liked him. When I watched him. So to me, I think that's a competition with with lock. And and Daniel Jones there for that number two and three spot in the in calamari, just he's a wild card. So to me he would be he'd before. But again, we saw Baker Mayfield. I thought he was the third best. And he was absolutely the right pick for the Browns. And he went one overall. So I think it those are the Ford names that we got to focus on they'll going into the spring. Yeah. I think so. And then it comes down to looking at what teams need what what what are they looking for. How do they want to build their office? And now that the coaches are beginning to settle around. Let's look and see what is available to one thing that we do know certain guys have certain parameters where quarterbacks won't fit the fact that drew lock and Danny Jones of both more of the prototypical style, they'll carry favor and some rooms whereas Murray is a little different. And look at two thousand one was my first draft just to drew Brees Michael Vick draft. And we absolutely no matter. How great drew Brees flayed? We couldn't put a first round great. On him. And so he went thirty second. Overall, the second round pick to the San Diego Chargers at the time. And that's what it was. And now we seem Baker Mayfield a guy with similar dimensions. Go number one. So all bets are off in terms of what Calum Murray would be. But I just know it made I draft coverage a lot better because then we got some quarterbacks that we can talk about. I know we thought we're always talking about defense, also Lovie, meat and potatoes. And then I saw a report coming in today that they may as may allow him to work at the combine. And all I could do was clap my hands. Go to talk about it on. It's my balls on. Yeah. So I think that's the thing is always obviously better when you have some sizzle when it comes to the quarterback in. I think one thing that I do wanna come to warn people because we're gonna hear this narrative especially coming out of Monday night's championship game with Trevor Lawrenson to windows, guys. Everyone's gonna talk about this class beam week, and I'm gonna say, please don't dismiss the talent at quarterback in this class. It's a little different. Than passers below. I remember a couple years ago with the Shawn Watson, Pat, Mahomes and those guys didn't question. Right. And then this year like last year, we talked about it being celebrated, but there are questions on Josh Allen Sam Donald and the like every year their questions on the quarterback is about picking the right one for your franchise. And then having a plant and the other thing that we have to kindly, I guess get this out of her head. Yeah. There's no waiting to get on the field. Whoever you take they're going to play their rookie season after two games four games. I as some point the rookie going to play. So we can we can quit talking about a day need to sit a year and get some seasoning yet. That's not really hit. No doesn't exist. It does not exist. And the funny thing is I think you've got luck or sorry. Drew lock in Jones. Daniel Jones, kind of I think vying for position they're both believe going to be on the same team coach by the raiders at the senior bowl. So we'll get a chance to sort those guys out. And then I mean, you could not any opposite the way Dwayne Haskins plays a game in the way Cuyler Murray. Plays a game here. They're both. Is finalists Murray wins at Murray undersized explosive, you know, going the national there the semi-final game. I didn't think he played particularly. Well, you look the MO who ran for over one hundred yards against against Alabama. No didn't Haskins his a peer pocket passer. Like, he is not moving at all. No. And that's the thing like the thing Dwayne Haskins, and we can pick them apart. We can talk about the other guys. I think is just really really important everyone kind of do the evaluation. Make sure they kinda degrades down kind of put it put it into deaths. And when we go through this roller coaster ride of the the, you know, the senior bowl combine, the workouts man, just trying to remember how they played and trying to get caught up in the workouts in some of the other stuff because man is going full you, and we'll see a lot of movement, and the guys that are probably the best evaluators are the ones that kind of state you to process, and I wanted to ask you this because you Baltimore Ozzie Newsome, feel savage at a time. They were known as I mean, every I mean organization was known as probably the. Drafting organization. How did you treat all star games and workouts when it came up to the combine we always talked about? And you hear it in the media all the time, but we always talked about just check another box. So we wanted guys that kind of we felt like just kind of passed all the tests, but we always set our board before the all star games. So guy's not gonna fall too far guy's not gonna rise too much. So you kind of anchored to the board a little bit before you get here. But we, you know, we'd be meetings and say okay guy passed the test and the regular season. He passed the test at the all star game. He was did everything you needed to do it to combine interviewed well as physical came back fine. Those types of guys we wanted to take in the first two rounds. We wanna get guys it. We're just clean across the board and didn't have any hiccups throughout that process. But now you can get some values you can get some values now and get those middle rounds because guy might lay an egg in and all star game. And and people discount everything that he did to tape. I mean, I see it. He didn't lay an agin the all star game. But I remember Desmond king getting beat verdict. By Cooper Cup and that kind of stuck to him a little bit in the draft process. The chargers ended up get him in the fifth round buck. Now, they don't ask him to play outside. He plays nickel guys. An all pro. So you can you can kind of get confused a little bit by what takes place these all star games. Okay. So it's funny that you mentioned that about also game. So you obviously worked under Ozzie Newsome who is a hall of Famer as a player would be all the famous executive wasn't already in there. I worked on the all those guys they were descendants under the wrong wolf tree. And the way that we treated all star games. We're completely different. They were independent and separate from whatever the regular season. Great was so we would give a great based on the film study from the regular season. And then we would look at the all star games and the all-star game. So in the regular season. Like, you know, how you give we have degrading scale, integrating scale of up eight point. Oh, so you can give great. And so maybe a bottom of the first grade would be a seven, oh, that's right at the bottom of the first round. It just means that you are solid starter. Euboea started from day one desk, the expectation in all. Star games. It was a simpler smaller grading scale that was really one to five. So if a guy had excellent week at the senior bowl or at the blue gray game or any of the games, we went to we just give them a five if it was very good for three or whatever. But they great didn't really factor into how we view them on the board. It was just a thing to be. Okay. We'll also game. He kind of had a little issue dealing with speed. Let's go back to the regular season tape and see if that showed up at all, and is anything that we missed based on what we saw at the all-star game. The same thing would be said for workouts at the combine watching workout. If a speed issue came up, a let's go back and look at the tape degrade doesn't change but less make sure we didn't overlook anything. Now. I know some people somewhere is Asians do it a little differently. But I was always taught like Dessau you valuated. Make sure your grade is really rooted into what you saw from them. On the film and the fall, and that you don't get swayed too much by what happens after December. Yeah. We did something similar. So every if you're there in all star game. You don't stay for the game for those that don't know the most scouts come in their personnel departments in there for the practices. Then you'll watch the game on on tape when it comes into the facility, but you're there from Monday to Thursday, so Thursday or Wednesday evening, I guess I should say because he watched the morning practice Thursday, then usually they leave but Wednesday evening, we would run out a conference room, and we would all the scouts come in there. And during the week every scout would be assigned to a position at at the senior bowl. So we would then you had to write a little summary on your on the guys in your position you had to give them we use the same grading scale. We use in the fall you had to give him a grade for that week. And then you had to rank them in their position group. So we'd say all right. Let's start with DB's DJ. You do the DB's? So I'd read my I go through all of them. All right, starting with the number one guy, you know, that this this week, you know, sixty seven number two guy this, and so you were kind of stacking those. Guys, just based off of that week. And then it could be a little bit of a could be a tie-breaker. I guess I should say when you get into the draft room. So hey, we have trying to sort this guy out two guys said they'd take Jones two guys to say, they take Smith. You know, what they were at the senior bowl together in the same db group in Jones, you know, we had him as a number one guy that we Smith was number five guy. So that'll be the tiebreaker. We'll put him over him. So that's kind of how we did. It man. This is so funny when you talk about like the tiebreaker because I told you we did those long meetings Lena by where we're all together. And even though you graded everybody in the fall like we were sitting there. So for twelve scouts on staff. We were sitting around the table we were popping the tape and on the board. We have all the left tackles or all the office of tackles and affable order, and we would just go down. Athabasca order pop three tapes in on blankety blank prospect, a we'll look at all of them. Then we kind of have a group discussion. And then we've become the said the board that way, and it would take about seventeen. Eighteen days to get all of the names. But the one thing that I liked about doing it that way because I was working in the west, and I hadn't had an opportunity to see some of the guys in the southeast gave me opportunity that by the time. I got to the combine I knew everyone was so at least when I'm looking at like, okay, I remember to from Mississippi State or from LSU. So it just it just gave me a different kind of perspective. And it actually my mind. Help me when I went back on the road to be like year this guys nice out west, but he's a west coast east. Yes. Yes. Oh, so it was so it was good from Davidge more. But I wanted to get into that. Because man you had opportunity to work in Baltimore. So sometimes like we always talk about the secret sauce, and because they've been able to kind of knock it out the park. I just wondered what you know, like poor someone to catch up. All right. Let's go through just real quick here. Give me see if we can do. Let's see one liner. Okay. I'm gonna give you the coach that's been hired by the organization, and you just kind of give me your one liner could be a comment could be a question could be a concern you it's up to you book a challenge. You ready go? All right. The jets higher Adam case. That your comment. I just don't I just don't know how to feel about this because he has a reputation for being a quarterback developing. Everything's about Sam darnold. He's gonna bring Dowell loggains with him. But I just don't know. I I guess need to notice success stories. Well, everybody says, you know, Peyton had his best year with gays that was how we got the reputation started to grow. And then you had Cutler had two of his better years. I think two of his best years with him there with the bears. That's what got him the dolphins job and tannehill played well early when he was healthy. So that's that's that's the that's the supporting argument. Yeah. So that's that's the just man. I'm just curious. Like, what is he going to do because he's just off inside a division? Let go inside the vision. Division division Rowlett. And you scoop them up and make him your guy. And I think the Witter thing that came out of that it seemed like you got met rule was really in play. But that mcadoo wanted to hire his staff like who would ever agree to that? You know, I think that's probably, you know, I tip my cap to Matt rule and saying, hey, you know, what he's he is his reputation is really growing in the NFL for what he's doing at the college level. He's got NFL of some NFL experience. He's got the Tom Coughlin stamp of approval. Haven't been around him. Don't just wait man, you'll you'll get a job when you get to bring all your dudes. Don't don't take one and get get other coaches forced on you. That's just be patient. He'll he's going to get one here. He's a good coach, man. Yeah. I mean, I think he is a good coach. And I think what he's been able to do in Baylor. Turn the program around having some NFL experience turned program around in temple lie DJ, if I'm talking about taking a college, that's the kind of college that I want I would like to have. A little level of success and be like, okay. He's running program. He understands how to get the program going because in the NFL. That's what you have to you got to get the entire program going beyond just a quarterback. All right. Let's go to the next one here. Freddie kitchens. The browns. I like it. I like it had a conversation with someone who has all staff up there lashing. They talked about Freddie, kitchens into collaborative effort that he kind of engaged in after he took over on offense and how they kinda share responsibilities. How to players were involved in terms of building the game plan and those things, and I really really liked that there's a part of me that believes that coaching in the pros is really a cooperation you want to solicit feedback from all of your systems, you won't players to have a little bit of input because I just believe more people are willing to invest and kind of buy in when you kinda give them a little say in the process. Yeah. I liked it too. I think it's smart. He's already shown he can he can move the football. And he's he's got a good report there with Baker Mayfield. Now that just comes down to me. And the right defensive coordinator, Greg Williams out. They gotta go find a good coordinator. So that'll be his challenge. But I do like the move. I think it makes sense Broncos Vic Fangio love it. And I love it. Because at a time when everyone or kind of reaching out trying to find these inexperienced, head coaches. A like the fact that the Broncos are getting these grizzled guys together, not only do you give Vic Fangio, but you get Gary kubiak who used to be the head coach you have that experience. There you have experienced play calls on both sides of the ball. And for team that I think still defensively they have enough pieces to almost be at a championship level. I believe these are the right guys to kind of get it going. I like what they're doing in Denver on this one. Yeah. I was talking with somebody that said in the league and said, you know, what L still from kind of old school, and he just went and found a guidance a good football coach, you know, like, he's you know, maybe a little bit vix a little bit gruff. I've been around in Baltimore. And he's going to he's going to be very Frank, and maybe not going to be the best press conference guy. But he's a football coach. And he was in Baltimore. And was there. He was kind of a top as as Bill IX like timeout guy. Like, he was okay, man. I didn't. I didn't know he's been. He's just one year. Okay. Well, yeah. He was I don't think he would he wouldn't on the field. He was just he was up in the booth. All right. Bruce Arians Tampa. I love this. When to I think experience matters just like we talked about the Denver Broncos going to get into best coach. I think the fact that Bruce Arians is grizzled enough and Desta word that I used earlier I think he's grizzled enough to maybe maximized Jameis Winston I think he might be the right kind of tough guy. Nice guy to count the work there. But also like the fact that he had a staff ready to go when he got there Todd Bowles as defense coordinator by left which coming in as the offensive coordinator. I think this is a move that Bruce areas made the be there for a couple of years. I think this job transitions eventually Todd Bowles tap. Yeah. It makes sense. I I like it. He's got to get James up and running. I think. Gel. Very well. With him reminds me a lot there, JIMBO. So that'll be interesting there Kingsbury, I know you've gone on record on this one. So I'll take it book. Shocked. Maybe I guess shocked. It'd be the word I would use. I just didn't think you could sell it. You know, a part of the part of the deal is you got to be able to sell the higher not only to the tongue to the fan base. I'm even talking to the team, you know, he's gonna it's gonna take a minute. I think for cliff Kingsbury to earn the trust of some veterans on that team. They might just go full rebuild just just scrap it buck and just go completely young try and build it up from the ground floor because I can imagine that will get met with some eye rolls in the building. You know, look. This guy's wasn't successful at Texas Tech. The guy had NFL MVP at quarterback. It still wasn't winning big. And then for to answer the questionnaire. But it's going to say it's hard to win at Texas Tech. Well, Mike Leach was more successful with a lot less. So I'm just saying he's gonna have to win over the building. And that's going to be it's going to be as I challenge there. You know, the funny thing is of all of the coaches at Texas Tech. He has the worst record Mike Leach Sonny dykes all those guys. Like, he fall below. All those guys. Now, I will say this the first month of the season is going to be the most important month for cliff Kingsbury if they can start off fast, then I think you'll get guys to buy into it. But this move kind of reminds me a little bit of the Steve Spurrier higher in Washington. And so is really really important that he picks a staff that has enough NFL experience that can get it going while still respecting him. And I think that is going to be a hard deal because when he comes and depending on how his ideas are in his ideas are kind of too far off the radar, and they're real collegiate like some of those ole ole school coaches are going to look at him sideways, and they're gonna walk out the building and they don't start murmur into themselves. And I don't think he can have those kind of guys on staff and he also has to hire the right defense coordinator because the defensive coordinator in a way is going to be the de facto head coach because he is going to be the one that's experienced in the league and. He has to make sure he not only gets a guy that has the right resume and winning pedigree. He also has to write personality. So he doesn't come to usurp. What cliff Kingsbury is trying to do in Arizona. Great points. All right. Just quickly on this last one here because we talked about it because we got it in real time on the pod previously. But the floor with the Packers. You know, this is this is an interesting higher, man. I text a bunch of guys about leflore, and they said, echoes wise. He's terrific. Great mind. Brig your mind has been exposed to a lot of stuff. He comes from the Mike Shanahan cow Shanahan tree. However, they said man had one guy tell me like and I never saw him as a head coach tight down. Never saw at another guy say light, look, leadership, skills and communication are his weakness. So the the relationship between he and Aaron Rodgers will be interesting. How he tries to navigate that. And by his own admission he talked about like working with Matt Ryan and how it took a little while for Matt Ryan to come to warm up to him. I think the biggest thing that leflore has to be when he walks in the door. He asked to be authentic, whatever his personality is he has to just own go about it. And then the second thing. Yes, to do as he has to find a middle ground with Aaron Rodgers a little bit of what he likes a little bit of what I like come together. But I don't think he can come in as a young inexperienced guy and kind of tell the former MVP this is how are we going to do it? It's my way at highway. He has to kind of figure out a way to bridge that relationship because if he gets that, right? Everybody else will fall in the line. Yeah. I think we can kinda say the same thing. But all these it's about earning some trust. I think the one built in advantage is is when you look at Freddie kitchens, their he already has a trust of that building with with what he did with that offense there in Cleveland, instant see what happens with these other two openings got the Bengals the dolphins still way. No, see what happens there. I hear Christmas chard kinda guy buck what the dolphins potentially could. Yeah. Yeah, possibility. Yeah. The two two names tuna Christmas short and Brian floors. Chris has relationship longer this year, but the New England page because his dad Bobby was a longtime executive there. And so maybe he looks back at that organization and appreciates and respects to stability of their program. Maybe tries to emulate some of that down in Miami. Or he just goes for a guy that I call an energy, Chris Charlotte is the energizer bunny. He's a guy that when we were in Seattle. We drafted him. He was third round pick for us play for us for a couple of years. We trade him to Miami where he finished his career, and he has a reputation for being one of the best teachers in the in the game. But he's also one of the best leaders. And so if you're looking for a dynamic leader, he certainly is that I don't know if the Miami Dolphins can go wrong with idiot, though, either those guys, but also believe that the special teams coach Rizzi that it keep interviewing he be in play. And I think more team should look and consider special team coaches because they are the one. Coach that deals with everybody on the team the coordinators on both sides the players on both sides. They always have to be into when it comes to gain management is an underrated position. But as one they could turn out a really good head coach just look at what John Haubert has been able to no doubt good point. We'll see what happens to those last two openings and buck before we get to these NFL games big playoff game series. Let everybody know they can stream every NFL playoff game live on your mobile or tablet through the NFL or Yahoo sports app. So if you're on the move, you can still check out the playoff games this week. Let's just go. We're kind of getting a little bit short on time. Just kind of the one key here. Let's go to the games colts chiefs. What what's the overriding thing here? What's going to decide this game coz have to control the ball? And I know like man Franken I go way back and Frank talked about like, we're not gonna play keep away. We're going to try and scored or whatever. But if he's trying to fast break with the candidacy still get blown out the building. No, they're high scoring outfit. But the best part of the Kansas City Chiefs is their office. So the best way to keep them Ebbe. Don't let them get the ball. If they continue to play the way that they've played control the ball takes us out of maximum protection to men rouse and find a way to kind of get their time possession to about the thirty two thirty three Mark. I absolutely believe that Indianapolis Colts can go on the road and win a playoff game. I think you said it perfectly. I I like the colts in this game. I think they match up. Well, I just think Andrew Jackson have a little bit easier. Go of it against that that group on the other side than Pat Mahomes, we'll going up against a pretty stingy colts defense still shooting though. It's going to be shootout big-time shoot shootout high scoring game. Cowboys Rams, I'll take this one. Buck to me when I look at this ball game. I think these these linebackers for the Cowboys. This is a perfect stage for them the play inside out versus Todd Gurley in that primitive run game. They'll run those fly sweeps they're able to get to the edges, and you're not always going to be able to set the edge with your with your end. So you gotta be able to sprint to the football. Inside out. I think the speed of the Dallas Cowboys inside linebackers not only ranging to the primer, but also gonna be challenged a little bit in coverage. We saw this Rams offense. When Todd Gurley was rolling. We saw them isolate some good linebackers shoot. I remember Anthony Barr getting toasted so they're shopping coverage as well. But I think the Cowboys linebackers the key this game yet a Cowboys linebacker have do a good job of containing tiger. When I look at the Rams personnel are really think they're a team that has to scheme it up for their guys to win. I like the Cowboys personnel on the outside better. And then on offense. I just think if the Cowboys able to run the football and kinda pounded it's another game keep away and playing at the Coliseum if plays in your favorite because more than fifty percent of the fans in the building will be cowboy fan. No be interesting to see what happens there. I'll be doing chargers patriots. So I'll just get your thoughts on this one. What do you think your buck? You know, look if the charges are able to walk into the stadium and they don't get daunted by the helmet and the logo. They absolutely should be the team that wins. It did a more towns. The team that a team that has all the level players. If we drafted the top ten players on both rosters. I would say eight or nine of them would be charges overpay traits. And so that's the deal. But the patriots are team that they typically find a way to do whatever it takes to win in this game. I think they're going to play Wisconsin basketball. I think you'll see more twenty one and twenty two personnel. They're going to run the football. And they're really going to be selective with their slots their shots. They don't want Philip rivers in this offense to get on track. I just kind of thing that Tom Brady is going to try and control it on his end. And it really would be up to charge his defense to dictate the terms. I'm just give you one guy here for the for the patriots teepee. And I on here is Trey flowers is is a really good defensive player there. He can generate some pressure move him around if they want to. So that'd be one guy. Just keep an eye out for the patriots. The chargers had had some pass protection issues. There are much better that last meeting with the Baltimore Ravens but previously against the ravens and the Broncos they had some issues. So keep an eye. Trey flowers be key player for the patriots in that game eagles saints. What do you think man? You know, like you got to weather. The storm everybody ever talked to about playing the saints in their place. They always talk about the way they play at home is so much faster than the way they played the road. So you have to be able to kind of get out of the first round. I mean, they were kinda liking it too old school Ronda Rousey fight like, you gotta get past the first round and taking the deep. What if you can do that you can survive the Philadelphia Eagles have to just kind of be enraged at the end of the first quarter. If they do that, I think they can rely on the experience and find a way to maybe get it done at the end. But that first quarter is everything if I'm the saints. You wanna star fast and get that crowd whipped into a frizzy? And if I'm the eagles, I just kind of want to stay close and kind of take it into the fourth quarter and find a way to knock him off at the end. Yeah. You want to hang in there. And I'll tell you what the other thing you've gotta do you gotta take away the stars. You can't if you're the eagles and you lose this game. And they're throwing the ball around everybody else. But mike. Thomas and Alvin Kamara you just kind of live with it. If that happens that happens. Well, you can't do you can't get out there in that first drive, and you look up and Michael Thomas has already caught three balls and chimeras got loose. You've got to find a way to take those guys away that to me is going to be the big challenge for that group when you go back in and look at their earlier meeting with the saints. I mean, look at Michael Thomas a pretty good job at four catches for ninety two yards. But man, they've got to do they've got to continue to do that with him, and then shutdown Kamerhe they couldn't get chimera stopped in that first meeting. So that that to me is the key for that eagles defence. Yeah. That is absolutely. The key. They have to do a good job of of containing it slowing it down. But you're right. This is as simple as you have to make someone else out of number forty one number thirteen beach may make somebody else make plays less than body else. Beer hero. But you cannot let those guys get off. Make drew Brees have to go. A little deeper down the depth chart defense playmakers in this game. There you go. Let's. Let's look forward to a great weekend of NFL football. And we'll sooner or later buck. We're gonna know who's coming into the draft. Officially saw the Missouri tight end just announced he's going back to school, which is a blessing because I don't know how to pronounce his last name. I was going to be Albert, oh, but he's going back to Missouri. So we'll worry about him next year. Yeah. Man. So many tight ends in this draft. Like if you're looking for playmakers to second and third round should be loaded with tiny tons of. I'm good grip safeties to all right? Let's let's get out of here. Look forward to catching up with everybody next week. You're going to have the PB you you've got rent in. I believe Sunday right to go over. We'll take away podcast which will be released on Monday. And then we'll be down there in Tampa for the east west game. I think we're new podcast down there. So we'll have all your all your reaction to these games as well as a little preview there for Sunday's all star games coming up. So should be any else you got buck now to it, man. Just working on the notebook talk. What? Right. Talking about play call. And then how the Dallas Cowboys are built the right way to be a champion roster for us to come get stuff. NFL dot com slash bookie Brooks. You can check out buggies notebook each. And every week. That's going to force. Thank you guys for listening. We'll see next time right here on move the sticks. Thanks for downloading move, the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Buffy Brooks for more Goto, NFL dot com slash podcasts.

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December 9  Hour 1  UNC / CSU Basketball Kerfuffle | Steve Smiley

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December 9 Hour 1 UNC / CSU Basketball Kerfuffle | Steve Smiley

"After the twelve o'clock hour good afternoon hogan's good afternoon northern colorado this whole show powered by pdc energy on this wednesday. We got for the first time. The steve smiley era colefax begins tonight for the university of northern colorado. They get set to take on colorado christian tonight excited about that. We're gonna talk my poll questions up. Its broncos related today colfax. You've already got to take on this. Our power to play sports. Poll question is available. The whole show dot com. And we just kind of started talking about this whole quarterback situation for denver. If denver could have their pick between these quarterbacks for next season so like they can get them. they don't have to a trade a whole lot of great assets to get him. They're not really expensive at this time. Whatever if you could get one of these guys if they had their pick matt stafford. Sam darnold matt ryan carson wentz or stay the course with which you have drew lock rippin going into the offseason going with colfax sam darnold. Actually i think that he's still pretty young. Yeah i mean. I mean he's not the issue with the jets train wreck there were. I mean we talk about the broncos being a bad spot the jets are. I mean this is mickey mouse stuff going on over there. I mean it's it's awful. I'm i said sam darnold would be the better of all those quarterbacks. The best of all those quarterbacks that that crazy year that yielded some awesome quarterbacks right with a two thousand eighteen. they're all in their third season. Josh rosen where is he now. Miami is like the third string quarterback. There i think he is yeah I lost track of him. Because i know he went there. But you got lamar jackson. Who's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Certainly one of the most electrifying quarterbacks in the league baker mayfield is lighting. Up suddenly is even in the nfl anymore. Is josh rosen. Even in the nfl Looks like he's taking some lessons from tom. Brady oh yeah that's right. He's he's he's a backup tampa. Yeah that's right. Wow see i mean. That's that's what tom brady will. Do you know he blinds it out. I mean you don't even notice the backup is well there you go. I messed up. I stopped tracking josh. Rosen's career basically once. He went to miami. But i said sam darnold would be the best i mean. I'm intrigued by it. i. I'm i gotta tell you. The jets didn't handle them very well. I'm not a hundred percent confident that the broncos would would know how to groom a quarterback which is crazy right. John elway was a quarterback does not sit down with drew. Lock do they not have these great conversations. So on that page where. He doesn't want any quarterback in denver to ever be better than him. That was the conspiracy when tebow was around europe. Remember that i'm serious. People would say that to me. You know when you do a sports show part of your living right everybody. Just it's open season. They always wanna talk to you about games and sports and different things. And so no matter where i go that that was the hot news. So it's like you're people wanted to get my take on tibo i'd give my take. They quickly interrupt and it was well. I had extremes that. Were like yeah. Wages doesn't want his records broken like he manages the team. He runs the team. He needs to have his records broken. He needs to have success. Matthew stafford the name that keeps coming up and people. The reason people are scared of that is because he's on a bad team. He's been to the playoffs three times in his career. So people are like well but detroit's another one of those new york's mean detroit should probably be like the jets if it wasn't for mass f. Here's the thing you do need a quarterback first and foremost but that doesn't mean everything. You could have a great quarterback but everything else around you is just absolute trash that can be that can be the truth lane. Says i'm not ready to give up on lock. A covert free season with minicamps fulltime with team. Getting courtland sutton. Back will help them. Granted he needs footwork. Badly but footwork work badly but matt ryan and matt stafford are very intriguing if ryan was to leave. I can't imagine kyle shanahan doesn't get get into the mix to get him. It's interesting david says did let's see where's that give up on lock or not. You need options. Let him battle it out. I know the broncos won't move on. But i see vic as a bad coach. Lots of time management mistakes also no matter who slinging the rock. Pat shurmur blows herald says darnold. He's shown the flashes with no talent. I think in denver. He could change things around the intriguing part with denver is what do you have. I think we can all agree. They have good offensive line right now. They have a pretty good. I mean glasgow has been a little bit of a disappointment. He's been injured off on garrett bowles monster dalton risers. Look good lloyd. Cushenberry is a rookie center. Got to think he's only going to. He's thrown to the wolves this year. Then you're gonna have you're right. Tackle situation figured out. James comes back so your office of lights. Assuming denver keeps melvin gordon. I i would imagine they do. And then you you do have phillip lindsay locked up. He's not going anywhere next year whether you know whether he's gonna be long term not if you wanted to keep them you got him because you have that option your receivers should be good on. Paper courtland sutton. We'll be back. I mean. I think sutton i really wanted to see this year. Take place because i do think sutton would have cemented himself. More into that top tier wide receiver jerry. Jeudy fingers act right. Don't know if you saw twitter again today. Colefax oto beckham junior former giant tweeted out. There's like a story on odell beckham junior about pat shurmur. How pat shurmur held him back. You know really messed up his career. Jerry jeudy tweeted it and he said makes it all makes sense now. Ll jerry jeudy problem. I think we do. what do you do. You drafted him. He's your first round pick. You're not giving up on that guy. Do you discipline this guy. Does that tweet mean anything else to you. That's what it means. I mean we can talk about that later. But that he basically saying pat shurmur the problem. He's calling out your offensive coordinator via twitter. The broncos have problems. they're big boy. It looks like he's going to six games. Suspended six eight. You want to get out of the way now. He's trying to appeal it. I guess with the pd suspension. I think there's only been one case it's been appealed because they found like some faulty product and a gmc product or something. Baseball player was able to get past it or something like that. It doesn't happen very often. You don't want him to appeal colfax you want to miss his games now because these games don't matter i mean if they go eight can they still squeeze in i. I don't know but probably not if he's not using the next year that's the age old question right. Let them choose you used to. I don't know if you've ever watched wwf. I can't imagine. I mean d- do you think that there's no steroids involved in the w look at these dudes. Have you seen those guys. I think it's a statistical anomaly. Them to not been using sorry. I'm offending people today. there is. There are some extreme fans that are like with it. Let them do it. The mark mcgwire. Sammy sosa days. Those were the best baseball days. Ever the home run chase. We will never seen anything like that unless we put give them a little extra juice. That's where we took that segment. Thirty seven percent of the holy. Guns are saying matt stafford. And so i mean. It's not just a quarterback you you do have to have a quarterback. That's that's plan. A you have to have a quarterback but you also have to have the weapons around him and if they can get in line. Get courtland sutton back next year. If noah fant takes one more step you should have some weapons. Are boy pillow. Fight dan though yesterday pillow fight. Dan has the twenty year plan. He's like what was that texas today if we wait six years. That's true locked. Assuming that everybody on that roster is yours zooming. Everybody that ross is going to be good by in six years. You're going to resign them in six years. We'll bring launched iran. We got a caller on the line. It's launcher what's up my man. Hey how you guys doing doing okay. Good to congratulate you on a super job did on the high school State coverage that was that was all the preps team. They did fantastic. It was fun to listen to. Wasn't it yes. It was in fact. I listened to guess from friday afternoon close till saturday. L. man is blind. I thought we were gonna have the trifecta of northern colorado champions two but roosevelt just couldn't quite to get it going there a little bit just a few points short there. You know. I appreciate you. Listen to lonestar up quarterback you stick julok going carson carson wentz stafford. I'm gonna go with matt stafford on this one and tell you what maybe he can get in there and maybe he can kinda show dirac and what to do to be quarterback. They're a little bit. You're right it's not like you have to say goodbye. Drew lock stafford has another. I think the lions have an option on him after two thousand twenty one. But if you're the lions you're not going anywhere you're not gonna win anything so you might as well break it. All down and rebuild. Yeah just of just made me just dump it out or something lobster. What's for lunch today. Okay i'm having some chicken thirteen soup and some crackers and some hot sauce to go with it and some cherry tomatoes cherry tomatoes man can get those this time of year and you can find him. I guess you can find him anywhere. You can get them at safeway where you do your grocery shopping at. I'm still alonso. You need to get this sponsored man. This is safeway great. Appreciate you my man. Hey for sure Sixty minutes after the hour. We gotta take a break here not that. We don't love hearing what lobsters cooking up. We have unc. Men's basketball coach. Steve smiley on coming up on the on the horn. In just a moment. I gotta talk about that situation. They play their first game tonight They were supposed to place the issue on saturday. We know that's not happening lot behind that. So we'll get to it sixty minutes after the hour. It's the whole show powered by pediatric or live from the article studios catch inside a bear's den presented by christmas agency. Allstate insurance tuesday nights northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi k it's on party northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi a block party wednesdays from four ten pm Nuggets andrew's coach at the denver nuggets. And you're listening to the whole. Show thirteen ten ks k twenty minutes after the hour welcome back. We're live from the collision specialists studios a lot to unpack today very excited though about. What's getting set to happen tonight. Or as twenty twenty tells us we gotta wait till we actually see some players out on the floor or hear from some players on the floor. Unc tonight against colorado christian joining us now head coach for the university of northern colorado. Men's basketball team coach steve smiley coach. Thanks for being with us man. We really appreciate it as always Percipient here it's It is an exciting day for the program. Did you ever think you would actually get here to this point where you're going to have you coach your first game for this bears team as the head coach. You start to wonder after this. You know what you see you have stuff with the program. You start to wonder a little bit but like you said. We haven't throwing that ball in the area. So i mean it's until it happens happened. It hasn't happened yet but we we're. We're really excited. This is so this is strange for every coach. But here you are coach. We've talked about this. This is your dream and you take over this program. I tweeted this earlier. Coaches aren't gonna be judged necessarily on just the xs and os anymore. It's going to be chosen. How you handle covid nineteen how you handle the scheduling all that stuff. You and i've talked to be. There's so many different things with it now. Well i'm looking at our at our little shoot around plan at shoot around today. We've gotta talk about got to review. How're doing the locker room. How we're doing where we're entering how to wear masks before the game The chairs alignment. We gotta talk about all that different stuff. You'd never had a talk about that before you know but yeah it's it's like anything we've ever experienced a all hi. How do you do with the rest of your coaching staff. I mean we we see it at the nfl level. I'm seeing nfl coaches. They have like a guy that's in charge of bringing the coach back so he's not stepping out onto the field. Are you gonna have a guy. That's like hey coach. Don't forget some of these. Because i can't imagine how you can keep all of this role when you're trying to pay attention to the actual game. Well you know. I probably should have guy holding me back because i i have a habit of walked on court. This year coach coaching box. But yeah i mean. I think our staff we. We spent a lot of time just in our meetings on kind of going through the scenarios and all the different stuff and really relate information to our team so we try to stay within compliance of contact tracing. And everything like that. So it's gonna kind of be a team effort. We've got a great staff and and that includes coaches are trainer. A strength coach. Everyone's up boarded the in sync with how we gotta get done. So we'll see how to go. But i'm going to be a lot more. Twist turns coach a little bit about the pause right from from a week ago or two weeks ago. What is that process like. And i mean what what. What are you supposed to do at that point in time. You're told the program needs to take a pause. What are we talking about like. Shut down everything. The players are confined. Can you take through some of that process. Yeah yeah no. It was our first pause and you know in terms of the timing of this teams have been paused at different times. You know you'll don't ever want to get a pause because that means you. Have you know some type of kobe. Case within your your program your tier one personnel and so we We had we had a case and at that point in time you know the kind of guidelines set everyone down fourteen days and that means exactly what you said like. There's no practice. Everyone's on a former quarantine. I believe all of our players were unaffordable. Portee based on contact tracing that time which means can't leave your room All kinds of different stuff. And then the coaches you know. We were masked up at the time and so it was more like an athletic type of quarantine believe but everyone was gone. Not known as loud in the in the building It was just a quarantine and you forty bucks or guys. You know their their bodies and and One or the eating okay. But to know losing fourteen days of practice Strength conditioning at this time of year is brutal so it was. it was hard You know when we got back a little bit late week we just started doing small group work. Which really of like you know. Thirty minutes of skill work thirty minutes of five hundred thirty minutes a very light Lifting did that for a couple of days took a day off. And then i think on sunday i believe it was when we started going into you know more of a practice and so you know. Today being wednesday we've had sunday was very light shorts. We really had about two practices overall but we have had five or six days of getting their bodies back together so we feel like in a in a decent spot. It's not gonna be you know midseason form by any means but it's it's we're where we're at right down a lot of teams gotta deal with sure. We're talking to you. Men's basketball coach steve smiley again. First game tipping off tonight at bank of colorado six thirty. We'll have it. We'll have it on the air here. Thirteen ten kfi coach dealing with. I'm just picturing like okay. All these players they go to their rooms. What are they doing to stay. They just punch crunch some push ups or well. What are we doing in their stay. Fit and ready to go. Yeah that's all. I can do Because of the flip side of it there's some other rules and say that you know you can't do Let's say zoom workouts strength coach because there's not a certified athletic trainer on hand when you're courts unity room in case something goes wrong physically. You know where you need you know cpr or the ad. You're just trainer helps so really you know you can get You can get you know. Workout suggestion And is in the player to just try to stay in shape. So it's it's it's tough man especially this time of year There's no way to kind of get out of your room and you know even if you were able to. The weather gets nineteen. Go out shoot the park for an hour and a half twenty seven degrees outside so It's it's really hard and thrusts going through the for the first time in our program you could really feel it and as a coach you had to really when the guy's got back as much as you say we got to catch up you gotta be really careful. It's slow down and just work on very basic stuff. I make sure they're moving right. Nothing alive and make sure they don't get any of those soft tissue injuries ankles hamstring and things like that because they haven't been the moving up so it's a. It's a scary time for all. I refresh a unc. Bears dot com on an hourly basis. Just to see updates on the schedule tonight come christian. We saw regis that. You've added that game friday coach. Let's get into this the elephant in the room. I'm on twitter yesterday. I see see you men's basketball tweets out that it's game week and pueblo on the schedule saturday. But then i remember my little brain. I thought that was uncc issue. Playing on saturday Can you can you. Can you help us out a little bit on that. What's what's going on. yeah. I think it's just it's just. It's it's the perfect example of it where you have all these plans. I mean the colorado state which which we're not laying on saturday that game we've losses so just as an example. You know my staff my sistance. They've prepared. I think six scouts now and tonight will be the first scout. The that actually is gonna come to fruition where where we where we play and so you know going back to the elfin room. Yeah you don't see us. She had had pretty pretty documented a pas as well their program Their situation a little different than ours. I guess in terms of turn of Kind of how. They're they're pas went but at the end of the day You know disgusted. Is this the right time right now to play the game so what i tell you the the game is going to be played Me neither side is trying to not play the game and are to administer administrations are working on it. I think the game will be played. Not a fissile with the date. But it'll be played after christmas. 'cause there's just no time right now with both our schedules to put the game back in. But ultimately it's it's a you know cove induced Situation and the game will be played and it looks like it'll be after christmas and i do think that there will be an announcement on that date you know within the next twenty four to forty eight hours. Once a day were finalized out. But it's disappointing on just point for us just because again. It's our fifth game. Yeah that we've lost and see hasn't played a game either and so just kind of goes into that whole deal but you know we're gonna play the game and we're we're going to make that happen I believe after the start of the new year. Were you guys like. Did you see this tweet was talked about that. Was that news to you at that point or did you already kind of know issues plan was well know i mean. I've been talking with their coaches well about kind of the situation but both our programs we've been talking a lot about you know the status of our health How many healthy players like. There's a rule in our league for instance and says you have to have seven healthy players like game so each program is going through different types of and so you know we've been in communication a lot Going back to three weeks. I and not only issue but you know we got see you coming on monday They've got a couple of pauses. We've got div. Cover the falling wednesday. So it's not just every school playing all the coaches communique like. Hey what's the what's the help because can't play a game. All of us need to refill games especially us and see the dam and play the game. Either get this yourself. Go back to your point though Yeah we saw the tweet at you know that there were playing and got on twitter to kind of look at it who they're playing there was definitely substance on both sides of the What was going on in. So i think that point. You know it's okay. We gotta figure this out and both ministrations were able to hop in it. i think. Come to a solution so that the game wasn't lost. The last thing you wanna do is lose for both of us. The opportunity in a year where people are trying not to travel much. Try not to get on a lot of commercial flights. We have both programs. Were were forty minutes away. The worst case scenario would be to complete lose the game. So i've probably found the same way that you Brady and then we had a kind of figured out there. What i what. I think's interesting and again coach. I told you this. I i wanna see. I wanna see both programs healthy ready to go. I want see the best game possible. It's great for the state of colorado. It's great for both programs. I i really feel that way so with me. I'm looking at the tweet on all right. I wish there was a little more explanation of okay. We think it'd be a better situation to play you and see when we're you know we've got a few games on like i. I don't mind that kind of thinking but yeah when i'm reading that tweet yesterday it came across as what what. Unc game almost like. No we just we just schedule. This is what we're doing and three different schools. You included had had different schedules that they all had different opponents for saturday. It's the amount of dazzling reschedule. We're all doing right now. Because a covert and and people on the other nationwide Perspective conduct recently lost four games and everyone losing games recently games. It's amazing and we'll get you know calls and emails daily behavior of given opening on this. They have to fill a game. And it's just it's just you know musical chairs all year long at least your conference season but yeah it was It was you know it was strange. And and i think that For us you know once we finalize the date. We're going to move on our schedule. But you're right. You're on our schedule. If we've got issue on the twelfth they got flooded on the twelfth and everyone confused and So there was some mystery mr vacation or have you wanna say it but i do think we'll get the resolve so that we can't play the game which at the end of the day. That's the most important thing. Yeah no question about. I know you both coaches both at both administrations have a lot of respect for one another so miscommunication what. It looks like what it appears to be. There was a lot of frustration yesterday. But it sounds like we're all moving forward. Okay coach tonight. Speaking of moving forward are. Are we expecting a full roster. Are the guys that are maybe not ready to go. Just because the layoff can be interesting and like you said you want to be careful. You don't want guys coming at this thing too hard and getting hurt. So are we expecting a full roster tonight. Well we'll we'll have all we have sixteen guys and we'll have sixteen guys dressed out There there are a few guys in the program that have been a little bit longer to quarantine and so you know for us there. Were probably if you guys that we don't anticipate planning to be honest with you and You know they just got back and you look at it in terms of their bodies and the same thing like the worst thing i could do in. Our train stops the same way as put a kid in hasn't done anything you know. Fourteen fifteen sixteen days in a few cases seventeen eighteen days and play them and their bodies. You know their minds still sell them where they want to go their bodies but their buys. Just don't respond the right way. And that's how you get that injury and so we're going to protect ourselves from that so there'd be a few guys that'll be dressed outside that that would be one of the rotation that Probably won't play tonight I do anticipate the probably by friday. That that you've got a couple more days of workouts and and Just some training under their belts to get their bodies back. And i think friday we should have the full sixteen but i do anticipate a sandwich. You guys that were gonna hold out of precaution coach. We're looking forward to it and again. I say congrats to you on this job. I know this was a dream job. Notice is gonna be a great opportunity. I didn't think we'd be on the ninth of december. Where i say. Hey good luck in your very first game. That really brady. If we go back to our initial this'll scheduled november tenth. I think we already would have had like eight games. Invite out and i told the guys who couple of days guys. We've been practice august. You know we're all about practice and developing and keeping the The sauce or but at some point you gotta get to a game so there's just all that time and our guys just so excited to get out there play as probably not going to be pretty but The right now it's just about getting out there. Competing getting used to game getting into that flow and then go from there. But i i do appreciate it. It's exciting and and that's been such a weird year in such a weird situation but at the end of the day we're playing tonight we're we're we're happy to do it. I want to mention something to. I've been happy to be a part of this. This round ball banter zoom chat. We're doing coach. I'm honored to be a part of it. You have that in the midst of everything you got that too. We have that tomorrow after. Can you our listeners. Know a little bit about that and how they can get involved. Oh absolutely so. Yeah so that when we Scheduled this whenever every three months. You know give or take. We're trying to do one of these kind of quarterlies zones. Because the you know the basketball bantered and Just supporters fans alums donors. Anybody that wants to get on and just kinda here the space program. We picked that date at the time. We didn't have games right around there to be a good time. A couple of days off now sandwiched between two games between tonight's game friday game but you don't really talk about the state of the programmatic in this episode. We'll talk about you. Know covert a little bit. Talk about The game tonight. Kind of recap what happened in that. Colorado gave hope it highlights associate fill And then And then also just sitting there talking about a recruits. We have had a chance to talk about the two kids that we signed in november which allowed to talk about and just kind of go through it from there so that the easiest way On our twitter account or on our unc alumni page. You know people just go to. I believe you and see alumni dot org that event would be right up there and it's free It's just four o'clock you know by gopher just under an hour forty four forty five four fifty and to talk about the state of the program preview the scheduled coming up and there will be more and more updates on even how that goes so you would see alumni dot org is probably easiest way to the pop onto that and we'd love to have people on there that into a big deal so yeah it's been great and you open up you let a lot of folks that normally don't we have these interviews but really they can get an inside look at what's happening with With your basketball program. So i absolutely love it questions or fired off to so coach we appreciate all. You're doing man and good luck tonight. Were we're happy to have it on the on the thirteenth cave tonight for the first time. That sounds good. I appreciate it brady. Unc men's basketball coach. Steve smiling great guy and yesterday was nuts. Yesterday was madness. Here's what i'm going to chalk it up to colefax to be very fair here. I think there was a tweet out about its game week for colorado state without any without anything else it was just a tweet this game week. You click it. It's blow on saturday. There should have been more on the tweet. Because i have no problem. Let's call it what it is. What is the issue pueblo to see issue. It's a tune-up game. I have no problem with that. What is tonight for you and see. It should be a tune-up game colorado christian. I wouldn't say that to coaches. I wouldn't say that but that's what it is. See us has been in a longer pause than than the teams around this area much longer. I think what november seventeenth their stuff going on there with the coves with the covert situation. And i understand that and so that's my biggest thing is. Hey i'd rather see both teams one hundred percent healthy and go out and if that's the case let's let's let them get a couple of games under their belt. Let's let them get few weeks. No problem with that the way just the way came across yesterday was it's game wake pueblo saturday when unc has you on the schedule and there's really no mention of that so yeah i was all over it yesterday trying to get this but as you guys know if you listen to this program i have major respect for niko medved major respect for colorado state and obviously the university of northern colorado. So the last thing i want to do is paint these programs into a bad light but i got a call like it. Is you know. I love that basketball program. I love the fact that niko medved is going to be there for a long time. But i'm going back to the tweet. I think that's where the miscommunication started. And as jerry jeudy can probably attest to. Sometimes you need to stay away from twitter until you get everything ironed out. Because i think that's where bears fans immediately went to go see issues. They don't wanna play us there. Are they scared of us. They don't they're not even going to respect us and mention the fact that we were supposed to play them. I was listening yesterday. Colfax on noko. Now tanner was interviewing kevin lytle of the colorado stations. And you know. Tanner float asked him. He said hey. Colorado state scared to play. Unc on saturday and kevin and mentioned hey. They played do clashed here. Colorado state's not scared of anything. The problem with that though is e- everybody expects you to lose the duke. I would say rams fans do not expect to lose to the university of northern colorado. That's that's what it is just like see. You doesn't expect lose to see us you so that i think that was a lot of thought a lot of the thought process going through everybody's heads yesterday. That probably could have been solved easily with a couple of sentences in the tweet. Because i have no problem saying hey. We haven't played since november seventeenth. We don't wanna go play a solid. Unc team right now. We'd rather have a tune-up game to see issue pueblo. and a few practices. Get a few games on our bell. I don't have any issues with that. None at all. In fact. I'd i would support that would promote that But it wasn't really painted that way yesterday. Thirty nine minutes after the hour. We're gonna take a short break when we come back. We'll talk more on our poll question power to plays a power to play sports question today available. The whole show dot com a list of quarterbacks there if you could choose who who would you take matt stafford the guy on your wishlist right now. Let's get the latest on the local sports slash your mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. christopher dempsey your nugget insider from altitude sports. And you are listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi twelve forty four. Welcome back to the show. The whole show powered by pd energy. Don't forget we'll have. Unc men's basketball tonight as they get set to take on colorado christian their first game of the season steve smiley's first game as the bears head coach and we'll see if we can get season underway officially but again jason olveen tonight coverage starts at six o'clock in the tip off is set for six thirty. Our i advantage. Text line if you guys want to text the show new text number nine seven four seven eight thirteen o one text. Kfi that number nine seven four seven eight thirteen. O one This power to play sports poll question. I think it's an interesting. One timber could have their pick between these quarterbacks for next season who you go with and it seems that you know most are saying matt stafford. Thirty seven percent of the hooligans are saying matthew stafford second place right now is drew. Lock on our poll. Second-place you're saying you'd rather just stay the course and then go with drew. Lock and see what he has to do. So you're not giving up on drew lock yet at least ha- well now. It's tied twenty one percent. Saying sam darnold andrew lock To only ten percent saying carson wins but thirty one percent at matt stafford. So i'm curious to see kind of how this goes throughout the day. Go to the whole show dot com to vote. I don't i don't like i don't think you can just use the old twelve at stafford's not really doing it for detroit. So what makes you think that you just plug him in a new sometimes. That's all a quarterback needs is a new environment is a new spot where they can really know maybe they click better with an offensive coordinator. They have different weapons guys they click with initially. I mean there's a lot that can go into that change. And like i said in the first segment you need to be able. You gotta have a quarterback but it's it's all the other things surrounding to forty six minutes after the hour. Go vote on that one. 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Shane mc waters. I'm going to actually be running in a few months if you can believe that colfax all right. It's the whole show powered by great back. You're listening to the hall's show powered by pd energy and thirteen ten. Kfi brady will be back after the break. Dan patrick the whole show and colin coward or northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi this is cody. Rhodes from the lockdown broncos. Podcast push the lockdown. Nfl north nature. The you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfta for the latest news in broncos country back to the show the whole show powered by pd energy. Glad you could be with us here in the show Do want to tell you guys about my friends over at seattle mortgage find them at my special mortgage dot com. Seal is family and veteran owned so you guys have not heard about interest rates right there at all time lows so now is the perfect time to get rid of any consumer debt that you have car loans credit cards student. 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I wanna rephrase something because odell beckham junior re tweeted something about a story unfold about the fact that he felt he was underutilized. His his career was jeopardized by pat. Shurmur jerry jeudy. Re tweeted odell beckham junior. But he didn't read tweet that necessarily all he tweeted was god's will one day. The story will really unfold just sticking to the script day by day. Jerry jeudy re tweeted that and shortly after row it all makes sense now l. Now what we're talking about is odell basically retweeting a story about the fact that yeah pat. Shurmur didn't utilize them that well and he wasn't you know maybe he kind of put a dent in his career. Jerry jeudy right now. i don't know man. I i'm on. I'm on judy's twitter and it was. He re tweeted odell. And then this shows nineteen hours later he just wrote it all makes sense now. Ll and everybody's asking questions you know what you mean you're talking about. Everybody is responding on twitter. Saying what do you mean. So is that something that you can flat out disciplined you as a coaching staff. Say what did you mean by that. Just kind of looks weird. It look suspicious. 'cause odell had a history was shurmur. There's now this story coming out about how you he hurt hotels career and then you re tweeted him about a story ready to unfold and then you wrote it all makes sense now. Ll shortly after the story was released. Do you sit down and talk to him. Do you have a conversation with judy. Because it's that plus you know somebody already got hold of him because he tweeted that at least he got his cardio in is it as bad. Were initially making it out to be. I don't know colfax there's part of me to kind of laughed about the thing was a good line. It wasn't targeted hitting action. That game so i don't know we make it too big a deal out of this. I don't know what happens if you let it. If you just let the situation go and he keeps doing things true is he going to keep tweeting. And just you know because again twitter's is a dangerous game. He know as a coach. You can control a lot of how your players talk to the media. But you can't necessarily control when they're on their own at home and emotions run high and you tweet something. You're not supposed to because even if you delete it you can screenshot. We all know that. Judy tweeted that about the cardio thing. D sit down and ask him what do you. What do you make of the oto junior story you. Because you don't want your players calling out your coordinators you don't want them siding with with with another player saying anything negative about your guy and then re tweeting that so to speak so i think you. Do you have a soft conversation and and just say hey we gotta be careful with what we're tweeting man. Who has some of that stuff can be taken the wrong way. Even the cardio situation i mean the new york post came out with this espy nation. Came out with this. Oto backup junior. Rips pat shurmur for sabotaging his giants career. He said he felt betrayed. The fact that judy row. Ll at the end of it though. Does that do anything for you. He wrote it all makes sense now. Ll and he didn't re tweet the actual story. He tweeted that on his own. Re tweeted something earlier from odell beckham junior. The timing of it all just seems interesting. It's weird twenty twenty. We have to talk about what they've tweeted and re tweeted and all that but it's a form of media now had he just re tweeted that article with as little comment without having said anything about getting his cardio in we wouldn't be talking about it to all of that together. It's all those things coming together. You know because he tweeted this on five twenty nine at five twenty nine december eighth and you know it was right around the time this story hit it out there so i think it's it's curious it's worth conversation. Does this mean jerry. Jeudy is a is a bad teammate. You're going to be a problem right now. I won't go that far. I do think that he needs to watch. I don i have less problem with cardio tweet than i do. This tweet this tweets bad if it's in reference to patch over like it's it's really bad if it's in reference to that story and shurmur that point you're basically telling the world i don't wanna be your yeah you're saying oh you ruined his career it all make sense to me now now. I'm starting to get it about pat shurmur now. I'm going to go read the story today. That was out about oto beckham. junior pat shurmur. So i'm going to get that information. It's interesting all right. Second hour coming up. We'll get to mark johnson the voice of the colorado buffaloes in the second hour great new friend of the program though. We're talking about sweetheart city racing. i'm actually going to get involved in some racing action colfax. I can't promise. I'll be actually racing. We'll be back.

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Why Racing Has A Purpose with Susie Wolff, Alejandro Agag and more

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Why Racing Has A Purpose with Susie Wolff, Alejandro Agag and more

"Hello welcomes the poll cost on heist. Today's episode. We're going to bring you an exclusive glimpse behind the scenes at the recent F. Sport Conference last week's virtually Matz. Born network President James, Allen discussed the subject of much sports for time enormous potential reach with a panel of experts who work in the industry. The panel featured for me to retire founder and Chairman One hundred gag and Jerry former principal who's the founder? The debts different initiative dedicated to being more women into much sport. Hind I'm export boss Andrea Dhamma. A Bell, the former CTO Reynaud and Sadi's F one teams and the founder of Greek victim to org and Afghan Q., Marin, director, strategy and business development at one Hayes the food discussion. Welcome to all of you, Alejandro is. You're sitting next to me all? I'll start with you. Thank you hosting us by the way. For the last exhibit. Feels a bit strange to speak to real people. You're not related to us. Yeah Anyway I'm sure we'll. We'll pick our way through this, but obviously you i. mean the Motorsport World. I think when the history written, you'll be seen as one of the pioneers of racing for a purpose with with the vision that you present John Todd had for for formula a a now. Of course what you're doing with extreme, but how have external perceptions? Do you think evolved over these years and how careful? Does the sport need to be in this. You Post Kobe. Well I mean I. Don't know if I remember darling any kind of I. that's a baby words, but but yeah I. I, mean I think perceptions have changed a lot. I think that he's going to have an influence on everything we do. We have to in the future we want to. Essentially. We want to survive. So if you look at when we started from Lane Two thousand eleven when we came up with the idea. At Dino with President John when he came up with the idea actually. Perceptions on and the whole. Feeling around the world was not what is today. I taw. People really didn't care much. Climate change of course was already going on. Because climate change has been going on the actual. Event of the climate change has been going on for many many years and decades. By wasn't really a widespread concern. People the general you know. The mass didn't really care about it as they care now. Electric cars definitely were not in the agenda, except for Elon Musk, which keeps gives keeps staying ahead of the curve Electric cars were not really in the in the agenda even of the common factors. And so on and so forth and. I think we have a pre Kobe and oppose. Kobe Prequel it already. The environment was becoming really really important, and and we could see you know many many people focusing on that post cove aid. I think he's going to accelerate even more the need of a purpose, and of course climate change is one purpose there other purposes and You know we are now. We've extreme embracing very strongly also gender equality. We are going to have racist with the concept of mixed doubles that they using any, so that puts women and men, exactly Perte when it comes to winning the race so you know there are many different purposes, many different ways to to make things better and I think sport has a unique opportunity to do. Push those things so I think as long as we. You know we have that in mind I. I think we will be. We will be in place. You've got a bit further than that. In some of the things you've said recently done quite a lot of thought leadership work through this time, which has been very very helpful for the community about you recently said that you think purpose is actually part of the new business model for the sport. Maybe you could sort of a little bit into that. What you thinking that what I think? There is no business model. If you don't have the purpose I think that our business model is based on sponsorship as sponsors. You basically means companies associating with your values this sponsorship. He's less and less focus now. A number of hours of number of people watching on TV because people watch now on many different channels. They Watch on social media. They watch online. They watch on demand, so he's not so important. How many People Watch your sport or that? He's less and less. A currency the currencies. What values you allow that sponsor to associated with? and. The big corporations now are getting more and more responsible, and they're doing on an on his way I. Am I always get very upset with people who think they own the environmental fight? Who are who is anybody to decide? What's greenwashing for example who why? They think they have the thirty year company like BP once for the environment. They're welcome. We shouldn't like no. You cannot do it only I can do it. I agree with that so I'm going off track. Track here about but definitely the purpose east part of the business model, and will be out of the economic survival of our projects. We want to go forward what it looks like going back to formulate looks like obviously it's cut through a recent Nielsen Survey for the FAA reveal that seventy five percent of motorsport fans believed that the FAA championship have impacted people's perception of electric vehicles worldwide. What are your thoughts on? The impact of championship is making. I not very good. They know that that that survey. That was our hope when we started so when we started at the bridge we we did some projections, and we said okay. What would be the perception of electric cars with a? Championship. Are Without a championship and we thought that we significantly increase the speed of adoption of electric cars. WE'VE H. Six years later. We've you know. Hundreds of thousands of people having races with some research that we've done. We think that definitely firmly has had an impact on making electric cars closer to adoption. We have had anybody technology. We went from cars to one car with batteries, and we have had an impact on perception of electric cars so. HOW BIG HOW SMALL! That's not the key the keys that we have done something because the kids to do not to talk. Many people like to dog is that's that's? That's very nice, but you have to do stuff. Well let's bring in Susie warfare team principal, of course, one of the teams in the if I formerly retirement same question to you rarely see how much obviously not Nielsen survey is encouraging, but what's your own a section of the way that it's cut through with with audiences in terms of the impact around the electric vehicles? Hi. Nice to see you again and talk about more to scored again. Actors such a long break, and I think something which land such phone which is really what I? It's about doing not talking. It's easier for people to sit on the sidelines into talk to do. An antique action is much harder and. I was always handwriting initially when A. Championship because the need, the concept of racing car was far. I'm but look where we are six years later and cars coming onto the marketplace on the new technologies. What's driving the automotive industry forwards and certainly racially say for tracking in you younger audience in formerly? It's a different. We're going racing. It's a new platform ammon over gold where my when team alongside of Pastor, e, but I see it going. From strength to strengthen like Alejandro also touched on earlier. It's not just about the racing anymore. It's what's none for. Is. Story behind what we're trying to trying to cheat perceptions and really dry forwards. The fact that we want to make this world a better place want people to be driving. Electric cars and motorsport has always been at the forefront of technological change in the research and development of older technology. I see creativity, big impacts extol, but a long way to go still go to keep Shane, and but I certainly see being something very very positive and something great partial. You've done so much for the role of women in Motorsport over the years of a see with founding debts different and all the work you've done to encourage girls, basically to to see it and believe that it can be them to participate in our sport. You last spoke at our conference a conference in Geneva I think it was in two thousand seventeen I wonder. How much do you feel has been won by the movement since then. Well, you know. I thought I was doing a lot for gender, equality and then Alejandro. Championship we're half the drivers female, I think he's taking my chrome wrong cans of gender equality. I think we've made a big step forward at together. The FIFA as we have seen that needed to really get the grass level. We had to make sure that we meet were accessible and that we got interest from the next generation, and that's not just on. That's one element of motorsports, and but there's so many factors around the sports when you come to an motorsport race, or talk to the sports. There's the drive is on the track that there's a whole economic Let's see life around going racing and that's really had to also make sure we are. Female, talent, making sure that the score who is more diverse with the earls on track initiative, which is now. What what's the joint initiative together? Dare to be different is now joined up with the in one group organization and. We are now going out and making sure that we're trying to inspire the next generation making Midi seen as being more, a male dominated little maturity women, and where we were in two thousand seventeen. We were starting to get a loan interest talking, but I think what we've seen now a action happening. No, the girls on track initiative we have loaded great events on erases were having impact, and you now have a situation where the new championship American where half the driver something email, and that's a big statement, but the carry on. Statement means that each team has to make sure their nurturing young talents to make sure that you have the basically car, which escapes all the way down the motorsport ladder, and that's where we start to see real change, so I think we've had great sticks or words, but we still need. To keep working hard and it's it's getting. People on board keep spreading the message and actually taking action, and not just talking about it. That's was. He driving forward teacher. Thank you very much for that. Let's turn our attention into formula while the Afghan coumarin. When, when Liberty Equality Formula One it was pitched very much as an entertainment quote engineered insanity was the catchphrase two years later you rolled out the net zero carbon by twenty thirty pledge. So how has the thinking? If both an answer entertainment on purpose, which is the more important from now on? On. Thanks, James. Thank you having meets date festival apologies. If you hear any background noise on Carney in central on seasoning It's raining cats and dogs out. You might. Background noise from me. In terms of the question I think what's imposes. Remember is when we came in saving twin seventeen. What we need sedate was two sets formula. One Up to be fit for the twenty first century. D- be fit is a meteoroid organization and not meant bringing in the right people having the right structures I never having a most sports team headed by. Legends of the Schools in Ralston Pat Simmons to work with the ION, methanol sports, more predictable, more competitive and setting ourselves up with the commercial side to ensure engaged with fines. In a way that was fit for today, it'll said modernizing arises while. In terms of Waltz to changed since then. Also. Sustainability plan we actually. Working on it for every year before we actually launched in thousand, nine hundred, and so we were looking at this Ashley relatively early on from taking a at Formula One. The reason it took a while for us to get it out is ultimate, because if you're going to make a play in the space, we think is Ryan to bit probably is to be his right to have a robust plans beyond vicious in all thinking and also has many of you. Who on this session will know? We have a large number of stakeholders We're actually a very small pulse, but much rotary system says get all the different stakeholders on board were all very ambitious pledges. Tights time there's a process. Tons of the split between entertainments in a wider purpose new ultimate if we go back to first principles. The whole purpose of f one initially is around entertaining funds to need to ensure. We have not fronton sense of everything. We do not being said what's really pleasing to see. The law several years and particularly actually miss. Concrete Guards period is why the societal purpose really come into the full. We think with everything we're trying to do on sustainability, not top since not attribute of shame, not having this conversation in a couple of weeks time, 'cause you will be seeing some pretty major renouncement from us more broadly. Around divesting Beijing which again fits into this wider? How can we make? Me Want to have a outsiders of entertainment and. Ego on you'll be speaking to Bob To give you an example of. What else Formula One can do outside of fishing sustainably credentials to improve. You'll will Smith's industry fishing. Lesions who reflect the welding which we race. We have this incredible technology an amazing engineers and scientists in one if we can apply some of that technology to major humanitarian crises. Hungry we cannot treat out you know small posited impacts in terms of other society issues that the world's is dating is a fantastic example. seen action. That's interesting. Overseeing I mentioned earlier on. We've seen Lewis Hamilton leading. The way would support for the black lives matter movement, and managing to really stimulate support from motorsport stakeholders oversee including yourselves full Milan mistake. And many others. What do you think that illustrates about the power of this platform from one to make a difference? I think we have I think. Any organizational person has millions of people following been. We have over five hundred million pounds around. The world has a juicy in many ways. To Highlights Any imperfections that renate within. Their area and I think Lewis is done. Really has helped to hasten some of the change that we want to see in formula. One mentioned a couple of weeks. Talking starts air publicly about working again to do. You know. I think the days of sports stars being told to stay to their sports as Arriva you see see Russia's Don. Last couple of days reigns styling again. Keep using UK example pushing for more ethnic minority representation on sports awards. Obviously Lewis as well I think this is going to be a trend that will continue and ultimately. If? You want to be on the right side of history. It's important that you are part of that trend, and that you have central said to what you do is Asian. Thank you very much for that before I move on with the rest of the panel, got some questions from the audience to one hundred, and also to suzy I'm conscious that Susie has to leave us half past the hour. So if you don't mind, I'll just deal with these audience questions first from our ends, and then we'll move on with the rest of the panel, so the first one is from Enrico. And, it says for Susan One hundred. How'd you see formula? One versus formula in future? Susie you want an answer I or should I go. I think that was your name all over under. Well I of course I, get these laws, and I am a Mossy Final Formula One always been and. Did they mention Formula One and formula is different and the history of course Formula One. On the other hand I think electric is going to be the power, train or the the way to. Move around in the future and formula has a five year long exclusive license for single seat. There's an electric so that for me is the puts condition to some kind of understanding in the future how that will happen either no, we have different shareholders which are happened. We slightly related by the same top shareholder. So that will probably have to make some some decisions at that level, but at obe reading level and I think once. Electric formula cars are as fast as performance as combustion formulas. I don't really see the reason to raise separately, but. I am guessing that's going to take a while and I may not be around or I. Maybe we around maybe my responsibility. I have now. nothing imminent, but I in the conditions. Are there in the future for some guy? Approach Susie and From my perspective, I think the two are very different platforms, and both have their place. I think for me to one like touched upon. It has a huge history. Fastest racing cars in the world, its own circuits which have huge heritage within racing and one is why I'm suing. Chase it when I first on the rich. It's a different way of when Ricin Alejandro team. Really enrolled in city centres were attracting new audiences. It's known about how fast the cars. It's the fact that it's wrong. BRECON technology, which will take over the automotive industry at some point so I think the mistake. Would have very much. What the handle touch to fall in its will be Jason to foam for me. Has the rights to the cars? Is there place for both a future that will that win see, but right now I ice. Bit Formula One son, but I'm also from. And goods have a place in the world. And there's A. Few, Susie, which is. Your thoughts on the W. series. I think w series is great. Because it's eh creates opportunity, there's twenty racing which otherwise overly wouldn't sound the budget to go racing. Unfortunately, all sports is operatives. aggregated. Which means if you want to make a career racing driver, you need to be talented enough to Milan funeral drivers and. Fronts. A, good career. The item tissues they are what do often W.. H. E. WHO man? I think what sits along. Dome Area Wellness New Initiative from the. Early on track rising stars will be take twenty based cartons, drivers cement, obviously international carpooling. It puts her train. Account could sit sentence Ferrari driver tabby in one it's. Informative store and that that Ramen, the lull term creates you local. Tuesday for the upcoming young girls in carts. Also shoes. Those issues sports that there are opportunities within content until our sport become segregated as a woman. You need to be good enough in whatever job you're doing more sports because it comes down to your talent, so I think w series, ricky opportunity for girls racing, and but it's not enough to change. Scoreboard accent alone firm. Okay. Well, let's move on then now to ball bell. Of course, legendary technical director long career in Formula One and a great deal of success, who's now of course behind the grid for good initiative, which really cuts through with motorsport professionals, giving their time and expertise to accelerate innovation outside of this. What are your specific goals? Bobbin have been able to help so far. GME, everybody is great to be here. To to build a talk about good for good yeah, I I long held view that motor sport could offer more to society than simple entertainment. And I finally decided to do something about it. To start last year. When I stood down as chief technical officer for Reynaud and setup grid for good in a very small way myself on a couple of colleagues former colleagues. On. The intention really was to set up a brokerage. That acted between problems from the not for profit, humanitarian sector on potential pro bono solution providers from the the world of Motorsport. So I thought at the time. It was a great idea, but it was one that was completely unproven. So there's a bit of a voyage of discovery So during the course of last year we undertook a few smallish projects. put our toes in the water. See whether the concept worked we helped couple of UK. Charities REVAMPED THEIR PR and marketing to get more exposure using expertise from F. ONE PR companies and we've also been helping. a young disabled chop customize his electric wheelchair, so we can do a a a land Jonah growth run to raise awareness full difficulties, wheelchair users. He have when using public roads. And then we got into twenty twenty and a the covid nineteen crisis happened on the com- set for good sort of exploded in a way. I never would have imagined. On Grid, for Good became a central park, remains a central part of pit lane, which is really marshaled engineering and technology. Providers within the world of Formula One to address. The creation and development of medical devices to help with this crisis so yeah I'm really pleased to report the tech. For good did appear on its concept that appear to work when when put to the test. Have you gained fresh energy from all? That's going on around you and do you see it growing from here? Going coming out of the covy crisis, I mean obviously all that went on with the you'll pay is amongst the engineering world and the speed of reaction with the ventilator work, for example and the amount of positive cut through the news media, particularly the Mercedes initiative, but red bull doing the same thing. Ferrari had big success in in Italy. Would that that contribution as well? What? What did you make of all that and where it goes from here? Well when you talk about energy I can genuinely say I cannot remember a time. When I personally felt more energy when we were doing the initial the ventilator work. Through project pit lane we we spend a months to develop a new type ventilator from concept through to pre production prototype We did that in a month with about six teams. Led by Renna when Red Bull and we were working twenty four seven. Sixteen seventeen eighteen days. And I have never felt the energy and drive and motivation from that group people to achieve what achieved in his face of time that was unheard of Normally, these devices take two to three years to develop, and we did it a month and it was such a satisfying feeling, if I could distill out failing bocklet share with people, I think we could solve an awful lot of the world's problems. But I loved about that story as well as how you had chassis engineers and technicians from inside other teams, factories, all working together, putting aside the whole kind of issues of secrecy, and all the rest of just an integrated Costa fantastic fantastic work. Thank you for the moment bob moving onto Andrea. Then obviously high and let's start with with world rally championship. How is w are rising to the challenge? Is Hybridization of the sport. Essential to highs continued involvement. These is question. The has been raised many time already and every time I in the same way that that. Before Golden Thin. A Soon I may say that I don't know I'll do what we the Volvo would be multisport after that echoes, what these out the in the future has been already clear everyone we know, but the driver were ready Goss a much closer to. We saw that cost that we have seen mostly on the market visit obeys of for every month, thought dottie motorsport. Thank in WNYC of. To to remain and with Michael Leaks Vata straight to the point that we need the new generation of ready cars. Of course, the have the hybrid component reasonable calls. And also increase overall staffing. Deal of the gossip sucked so Waza straight to your point I would say yes. On is launching as launched its first ever electric race car the veloce net. What's what's the thinking behind that? And why is? The right platform for Monday in electric with think that the for our lab during. I don't know I. I. Give you a call later. I ever meeting after I think you have on their mobile number. You people that you need to call or read. So. Basically I we've think that does a noble for us up to as the before to try to understand what might be modest board the in an electric work. It's an occasional that we add the. We made abroad Iberia. Asking and I think in a motor sport the. Environmental if I'm on fought, the wants to be involved to know everything in there has been already say that echo so may be really the future for a Motorsport Division. E racing costs should be something that you have some expertise, so we decided to dedicate this of their budget that do create a team of people basically from scratch. I have to say to be the prototype. Follow the development that we're working on it to say IT'S A. Really in the middle of the crisis, all with all the issues that we can't he made, but it's a great challenge to say and that. Also makes me feel a bit younger. Moguls any always deliver short of. Engineering background even if I were not widely defined but. I see that every problem is a different one for what David is seen in Boston, so it's A. It's a great challenge for everyone. And there's most seasoned motorsport professionals you say with an engineering background all that we've been talking about here today. The idea of sport coming out of this Kobe crisis that the idea of as a platform for good causes. Do you feel that the the needle has moved you? Do you feel about is essential to to the pitch? If you like for Motorsport going forward in the broader sense. But listen I have to say thing what I'd seen. That, is that goofy? Is that that that has been clear link between people that before were you ready to fight each other? To work together and do boot aside which of the older issues that you may have had a discussion for English on things like these things shown that normally have between teams among us when you fight for the world championship. Working together and understand which is the only objective that. Of course, in my opinion for a spoil may also be Re the again. Working together to Passover is a moment that keep blaming aside if there were any and. Create the team do bustle. That has a has been saved before Formula WanNa the teams were working. For these technology. I think that what I see. That could be a great message if the bus by. Thank you van I like that that thought I mean. That's something you and I were talking about before we went on air. Isn't it the idea that? We've seen that Formula One teams that have been fighting each other for years getting. Nowhere have brought in rule changes budget cap a form of handicapping that's going to improve the show, and all these other things that are going. Do you feel there's kind of a sense with all the different series of a coming together and that we should come out of this crisis you know with with this sort of strategy in mind I think so I. Think so you know I think what was important in the beginning of the crisis was. Sean Todd. Send a message very clear. To! Everybody is saying we need to think on the future. Motorsport is now going to be the same, so we all need to. Really, reflect on what is possible for the future and make changes the new deal. Then you deal, then you did what he's talking about the new deal and that was a very very important message in the beginning of the grizzlies, where everybody was kind of like looking left and right kind of lost and wasn't. And the biggest expression of that is probably what has happened in formula. One so I think Formula One has done a fantastic job in this. In this period because you know to achieve Budget Cup which I think is. Is really important, and it's something that you know he's been. People have been trying to achieve for years and years, and I have to congratulate everyone because it's it's. It's a great success. To achieve the handicapper for the development of the to do all these things. It's really understanding the times we live in, and if they you know if you don't understand it, we mean then then you are. You're in risk, so you know you have to use opportunity. Also these these has to become an opportunity, but for forty to be an opportunity depends really on on ourselves. You would want to do the things we do not know so I think this has really I think following the leadership of John, dot has really kind of spread over motorsport, and I think I think we I think we are reacting on on the right direction and examples like the one. We were mentioning of working together with them. For beat for the ventilator, and on our one more example of that, and it's bringing in on the Semenov AC-. We're talking about filming the one that sort of. Idea of consensus to achieve goes Jason. Ross your team of obviously been central to that? What's what's your comment I think actually win the sit down. That's often when you see the real character. People I think with Latin we've seen that already can. Throw. Throw out, but deprioritize. Senior objectives for the greater good in the sense. I think in many ways. That's just the start and the various further to go. If went to realize the I'm vicious, abject saves. We've got not John's buildings on, but commercially in terms of how time, but it does show. This is. Possible within its pools has directly were on his always liked to add did the couches in volts? Ross was on yesterday with us, and he said he's. Great he's been around a long time and seen an awful of dysfunctional relationship. He's very pleased to see this consensus now on the rule cyber. Do you see that you see that enduring you? You'll director strategy so your pricing, the continuation of consensus into your future strategy. and. You can't ECON Consta- simple consensus on everything she'll, but I think we'll have more opportunity to Bush. Threes at Seoul's ambitious changes. We wanted to see in Vienna come. Yes, thank God it's happened. I'm with this periods has highlights and actually some stuff to be announced in becoming mums. Will further strengthen opposition to the F.. U. F. One on a very strong long-term. As I meant thank you as I mentioned earlier. And of course it's not just about this during this time. And when there's been a lot of good causes being led into motorsport from a messaging point, it'd be one of the three thousand five hundred lives campaign from the FAA that's very very clear within within Formula One and Heineken's anti-drink drive messaging in informal. And formal his well while, but I wonder if you could maybe give us your view on this, how well suited you feel? Multiple is an incredible as a platform for good causes. I think it's quite unique. Because first and foremost, it has accused global footprint and if you count term, push your message to large global audience You'd probably not GonNa go very far, so it has that, and secondly, of course, it has all of the skills necessary to make a real difference, so it is all the engineering science skills, but also logistics marketing commercial skills If we all cooperate to do exactly up until about. Social Change so I think it's really uniquely placed. Motor is all about overcoming challenges. It's all about dealing with problems. I and it's all about doing it quickly and efficiently. And yet in my experience in general, it's a waste done with a smile on your face. because I'll tell you got through the hard times so I think all of those factors uniquely position the world of Motorsport to take a lead in this. Andrea, for come back to you. Motorsport thrived as an entertainment, but also as an incubator of technology for the automotive industry. Is that going to be enough in the future? And what should the strategy be? Let me say for sure have to force and more and more that both sides of entertainment and the something link as we said before goes I if we rely on one that I don't think we would have the possibility to survive in the future, so you may be have to make. As has been done somehow for daybreak. Asia not car these new technology that can be caring for most of the people of the nation. I don't know much much that. My Age beeper goes now is the to be fifty. Maybe be looking a beat the Moro. In a strange way at e vehicles extensively put together. We can pasta. Good man suggests that these new technology would be also very nice to see begin- meant, and so you can mess fiefs. These the MS has not said before. We'll show. You can also bring more also. Mona the match. That do messages together. This is something that you cannot Publish your thoughts on. This is someone who's been around for a long time and worked for of major manufacturers informed on. Yeah, Arlene, I think the. The automotive sector is going to suffer its own challenges moving forward from here and I think the Cova crisis brought sharply into relief. and I think that. There is a real place fully automotive sector to have a sporting willingness, bolting side and and the to can work in harmony to help develop technology, but also to promote the activities of of the old. Parent I think more and more F. One tames, and probably most teams in general are being influenced by saying our policies from their parent. On this is important and we have to recognize that we have to react to. It so I think that Motorsport can help the automotive sector not only technically, but also in terms of sending a message. On representing the on on the global stage in a good way, the benefit society. Now of course, a lot of our audience today, our national sporting federations from around the world and hundreds of the infact. In a unique situation with these e conference and a lot of interest of course, always a grassroots motorsports, so we've been talking in this session, really about high level, very visible series but Alejandro in how important is it that there is a bottom up approach as well across? It's not just a top down. Well, you know these these always story and the probably motorsports expensive have been not really grassroots I used to have a GP three team and the GP through team so I was kind of in the middle of the ladder in the higher part of. But. It's very very difficult to to find talent because he's the meets always of how that kid boy, or or also now pushing for girls also do go through Karting and make it perform lab to a single seater a formula for example, because then from from guarding the formula four. She needs to find maybe eighty thousand euros of budget, and then he wants to go through GP three days to find half a million of budget and wanted to go through GPO do, which is now formula to? Find one point five million euros of budget so. It's very difficult, so we need to find a solution and here's what I see. A big role for the federation's do use the the the money that you know. We promote their him in fees I mean. I don't know I. Bro me for my bucket, but from as. A few million to federations over the world, not to buy also sense because we pay a lot of money to the sense. Every time you raising a country, they should invest that money on grassroot talent to. Really subsidize the career of these kids so. Has the opportunity, not only the one that has a wealthy father or mother that can pay for the career, but everyone should be allowed in the federation sued subsidize. And we will also morning degration more a racial integration female in the racing on his offers I. think that's a role for the federation's really do to step. What about you oversee or at the very top of the tree that with formula into what extent can conform to one help with some of the grass roots, and and the Federation of all the countries that you visit around the world to make sure that this message sense of purpose if you like racing from from top to bottom from the bottom up. Yeah. We definitely won't. Get more involved than we have done historic guys. We are invited to for three and actually if you look at the the people that we have much greater than than still when it should could be We all very keen to get more actively involved in the grocery size. As I, said sort of insinuates Cole will walking on what we do more generally around purpose, and you'll be hearing as soon as the next couple weeks, but this is GonNa be much more to come. Adam assassinate would love to. Him more from. Around doing what more could be done nothing at one hundred coins. Around investing in local talent, I think time for Monterey upset. Traditionally underrepresented backgrounds very interesting one. We should see where there's a Lotta money in in Mexico. We should say web as It's that. Call is available for town to drivers who otherwise couldn't afford financially it to get through the rents and also on a systemic level. How do we make in and then single seater racing more affordable? Stop we that we shouldn't have to. Simply Couldn't melt money to support the car systematic come. We look at the system realistically unsafe. We can make it more affordable January commentator here from Spa Bosa rally department, the FAA is making a very good project will rally star to bring young boys, and goes into the sports I just wanted to drop that into the discussion about four or five minutes left on this panel before we moved to our final case study, so I guess I just wanted to address the elephant in the room if you like. We've talked a lot about the sense of purpose. We've talked a lot about the the amazing speed of reaction and a good work through the Khyber crisis. Does the climate change movement pro pose an existential threat to motorsport in the eyes of some people? You know you could see that that would be how they might read. There's no better to stop with you. What? What's Your own personal thought? I think so I. Don't think so I think the climate change movement is a great opportunity for motorsport because. Forget the extremists of climate change so if you look at people like accenture rebellion, and those kinds of people I think the rollerblades important to raise awareness, but you don't really have to listen to their arguments because their arguments lacked scientific. Rigor. But if you look at reality. Motorsport can play a huge role and. Electric cars are only one of them, but reducing the impact of combustion. It's huge. There's still a huge amount of gain to be made on combustion engines, because we're not gonNA be able to have electric cars everywhere. We will be able to have electric cars in Europe. Maybe China the United. States, but what about everywhere else you need combustion cars that basically have less emissions. Stealing a lot of improvement, you can do there so. Rolling that for motorsport, dearly, because for the sport being role in raising awareness for the sport so multiple work, I'm the huge actor positive actor to fight climate change, so we just have to get it. You know what I mean, and and not listen really to the people who criticize we just should should basically ignore. Just the noise and do stuff and then we will have our own would have our own role in an. I think we have a great opportunity. Same questions above I think that to the Motorsport has real role to play in climate change and it's not just about. Moving towards an all electric huge, I think. Alejandro Point about the need continued need for internal combustion engines, very rail, and as a some people will know, but certainly not many. Formula One engines currently the most thermally efficient internal combustion engines on the planet, and the amount of development and effort that is going to deliver that has been staggering on. That has real implications full rum motoring in general, so I think from a technical point of view motorcycle has a huge contribution to make to sustainability of of the environment and I think motorsport will adjust adopt to continue to be able to do that as as we move forward. Andrea point of view on this. Thing we have to adopt the diamond. The drive is possible. Some direction outlet different kinds of faints as we said before sometimes, I used to say when I was a cheerleader. I remember talk showing Debu in TV where people west Mulkey. From again set, and now if you watch some talk, show in some. Reviewing like it was age. Oral costs wrote Gaza doing some noises. I think that that sport as do as I said before that people that the different way of automotive can be also nice to see deigning, and you can live with this ob with. We have a of the. Head as we are doing and give the direction and let the people appreciate what they may have next possibly on the road car. On final word on this. You know I say every challenges. An opportunity and megasports can be catalysts for hastening change in the wider was most interested in nearby where they at bulbs already mentioned the hybrid engine, but where we can really make a difference is also developing sustainable fuels that we're working very closely with the FAA's technical table. We can make that a time read. Relevance will have a huge impact intensity station. You'll next industry F one having this global platform hundreds of millions of fans. It will be able to push that out to the well and to Mesa companies will see the benefits jump. Yeah, it's always been an incubator technology, and so the cycle continues just before we close out this a quick note just to clarify of course when we're talking about grassroots, we're not. It's not just like karting and F four. It's all kinds of just putting. In fact in the majority of motorsport around the world, and a lot of countries is is things including things like driving? People's own road caused bringing them to events, so crossroads is a very very broad thing, so the big big project to make sure that sense of purpose runs through absolutely everything that well. Thank you very much all panel. It's really stimulating and very very interesting discussions. Great pleasure to have you as. Difference a thank you to everybody joining by zoom. Thank you stable connections and your. Interesting thoughts. Thank you for that. Well I enjoyed the panel discussion tennis. What you think show various social media channels. To? Bull, who'd act soon with another edition of the? Cost? Him. into. took. Music is six am by tree-lighting written by Marcus. Simmons see some clouds dot com slash trillo music.

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10-19-20 BK Recaps The Patriots Game

Broncos Daily Podcast

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10-19-20 BK Recaps The Patriots Game

"What's super nutritious, super delicious, and a little nutty American becomes the original supernet packed with all the good for you nutrition you need and the flavor that keeps the family coming back for. Recipes and more visit American PECAN DOT com. There will be no death by inches. This is the broncos daily jazzed with Brandon Krisztal. I want everything. I want all the meatballs in the Pasta. That'd be Monday broncos country and it is a happy Monday indeed when your team goes into foxborough after seventeen eighteen days off. and gets the W. against what we think is a good patriots team certainly a good rushing offense coming into the game they were the second best rushing offense and football, and as VIC Fangio points out game, you'll hear coming up pretty soon. that. In the three games at camp played we don't you miss that chiefs game with a positive Kobe nineteen test result, but in the three games at. Camp laid they had. Thirty plus points in all three of those games. So to go in there, hold them to just that one score late to hold them at the end of the game and get off the field to secure the W to get enough from your kicker to prove to be enough offense was really really impressive and then you add to it and everyone's trying to be critical the broncos and I. Understand that they could certainly maybe should have beaten the titans. They were right there with the steelers despite losing drew lock in that game and Cortlandt Sutton and then the bucks just came in and Kinda whip their tail understandably so and you look as the bucks whooped up on the packers. Yesterday. You feel a little better about that loss as well. But the three losses come to three division winners who are combined fourteen and two with two of those teams being undefeated the other one maybe the most complete team in the Tampa Bay Bucks. So while we don't know exactly who the Patriots are in if you're watching the game on TV, we understand that at times Kevin Harlan certainly, Trent Green, we're making excuses for how banged up the pats were and they lose their right tackle in the middle of the game of the Broncos lost their left garden, the middle of the game, and we don't know severity of Dalton risers injury, but you can add to that the long list of. Devastating injuries obviously starting with von Miller and Cortlandt Sutton Andrew okay. See but you got do lock back. He didn't play lights out but he certainly played. Well enough at times and Gotham in position was able to hook up. With his PAL Albert Oh his favorite target at Missouri and then through some darts that should have been touchdowns also through one today Sean Hamilton the probably could have been caught for huge gain was able to take advantage of down the field ends up finishing just ten of twenty four. So I guess that's not the most magical stat hundred and eighty nine yards sacked twice completed that forty one yarder to Tim Patrick but had a twenty-seven seventeen yard our Oh, a sixteen yarder to Jerry Judy taken shots down the field. And then it was balanced by the rushing attack. Philip Lindsey. Now in his career six, one, hundred, yard games one, hundred, one yards on twenty three carries a four point four average the broncos are six know when Philip Lindsay Russia's for one hundred yards so I think there's a formula there and the big thing I thought there were two things one do locks throws you gotta clean them up late make sure you're on the same page Tim Patrick one you'll hear him talk about that Yulia Vic talk about it as well. But. He made it. He made enough plays, and then on the other side of the ball, the Broncos de certainly made enough plays between. The Interceptions Cam Newton the fumble recovery, and then getting the Cam Newton four times knocking passes down. So you had. Shelby Harris doing what he does best knocking passes down Justin Simmons getting his fingertips on a ball that bryce Callahan Pick Justin Simmons his first career fumble recovery. You'll hear me ask him about that as well, and so it really was a team effort. You also have to see what's going on with Dante Spencer. Because he's. Your Best Returner we know that Caja Hammer has returnability became a hamlet is not healthy enough right now to even get on the field toys tyree Cleveland late returning a kick. And had the PATS funded late I'm not sure what the. What the punt return situation would have looked like would they put Jae Judy back there would they may Philip Lindsay back there would they put? tyree Cleveland back there, I don't know one of the corners. So we'll see three GONNA corners. We know the Broncos are getting healthier too. We should see AJ boy instant chiefs they'll certainly him. No offense. Now the idea of he and Albert on the field together at the same time in certain formations has to really excite broncos country has to scare I. Think. Scare opposing defenses so I'll let you hear from the the guys who were in involve the most and that was your coach, your quarterback because you wanna hear what these guys have to say after when of course But I I, I want you to hear. Because we don't always play this in. Every had to grab it but after a win, why don't we get to hear before we hear from vic directly with Dave Logan? Let's hear from. From because he's handed out game balls. With me. You could deliver this to coach. The lead there I say that. The. Played enough offense to be able to kick those field goals I. Probably need spend a little more time on Brandon McManus who will certainly be the Teams Player of the week by the way, listen to that vic kind of a man of few words. But you'd hear him give the game ball to Brandon Madison. The Second Game Ball handed to Philip. To give running backs, Curtis, Motzkin Zoos dealing with covid nineteen right now he is doing well as you'll hear. Talk about post game, but it was. Obviously, they were undermanned with no Melvin Gordon dealing with strep throat pluses off the field stuff. and. So he didn't even travel and then curtis might conceal the running backs had to kind of pick themselves up a little bit also jet Mach in Zoos, a coaching intern that works with the wide receivers. Curtis oldest son lives with Curtis and his wife and his younger son and so. A. And obviously, no Melvin Gordon. Lindsay did the heavy lifting but it really was all about what brand man's able to do banging in those six field goals which. Set A new broncos Franchise Record I. Didn't realize this but Connor Barth twice in two thousand fourteen. Against San Diego and against Kansas City. Knocked in. Five field goals. In both those games, I just didn't remember in the Peyton Manning, Eric Connor, Barth, making that many field goals but that doesn't mean it didn't happen because I'm reading this directly from the broncos. From. The. broncos. Website and so Connor Barth relief of Brandon, man late in the year in two thousand fourteen. was able to not once but twice make five field goals. So I don't know I forgot that but it happened Jason Elam did it. Three times rich Karlis did it once as did gene Mingo? And Brandon comes. The. Number One player along with Justin Tucker to have the most fifty yard field goal multiple fifty yard field goal games in A. In a game. So multiple fifty yard field goals in a game he's done it now six times as Justin Tucker just continuing to show why the Broncos not only have them as. Their defacto special teams captain he goes out there plenty. They don't put a captain's patch on Vic fangio regime, but he's certainly the special teams leader and why they send that four year extension. All right. Before we hear from Vic, Fangio and drew lock in and a cast of thousands. In this case, a handful of guys post game. I WANNA. Remind you about chug water chilly water chilly dot COM use my Promo Code Chug Water Vk to save twenty five percent of all great products. You feel the weather turning you're ready for some Chili go the best Jaguar Chilly Charter Dot Com, the spice of Western life. Water Chile is use. Promo. Code. Chug water bk for twenty five percent off. You can also find your grocer but might as well go online had sent to you save twenty five percent. All right. Here's VIC FANGIO post game with Dave Logan. Then we'll hear zoom call it didn't look like it was gonna be, but it turned into another nail biter down the stretch. Yeah Sure. Did there you know we stopped making first downs? had. A couple of turnovers there and made it hard to finish the game but. I think in the long run maybe that'll be good for us. We have the grind through that defense had to step up a couple of times they did. And I'm proud of the team. Let me ask you this because I'm I'm sure you're going to be asked in the press conference the first interception that the drew through look like a miscommunication back shoulder stop route and Patrick never saw the ball. What was the thinking on throwing on first down when you came out after that first interception Well we actually had. Stopped, having the much success running the ball we had earlier in the game and early in the second half. So You know we just we wanted to start running the place rest can get us a for founded. In on closed that game offensively. Obviously workup. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't work but you gotta be listen. You gotta be proud of your defense I mean when it's all said and done I mean they have one drive that they knock in the end zone You'RE GONNA win a lot of games if you can hold an opponent especially on the road and one the runs the ball as effectively as they do to one score talk a little bit about the defense and sort of what your view from the sideline was. Played great they competed. Played with great defensive mindset, you know New England's a team with a when they had cam newton at quarterback in their first three games I believe they are averaging thirty points, a game and they came within. One Yard, in Seattle of one in all three games that he played. So there aren't offense. But. We're good defense to no doubt about that. Let let me ask you quickly for let you go and again you haven't had a chance to see the tape but just from the sideline, you drew lock back for the first time since early in week two. What did you see from drew in his debut after the injury? I thought there was a lot of. Is showed no effects of his injury. Threw the ball well for the most part. On. Didn't look like he was. So I was pleased with the way played overall. You know obviously. We threw two interceptions and we're going to have to clean that up. That's two games. We've run the last two times out thrown five picks. You know that's not going to have to to Austin but. I was pleased where he was at and we'll go there. Yup Congratulations Vic big wins second consecutive win on the road. Enjoyed it flying back. All right. Thank you. We will. So then vic. Sets the phone down after talking with Dave Logan immediately jumps on zoom call with us in the Bat. He's asked about injury updates to deontay Spencer and Dalton Reisner. They just of told me in the locker room that. Shoulder Clavicle area with Spencer and. I don't have an update on rise. And then a follow up your defense today sacks takeaways how oppressive or where you were their effort today. Thoroughly. impressed. You know from start to finish. was. That's a game that the way that turned out in that fourth quarter. It easily could have. It did get away from us, but it could have gotten away and been fatal. And I think it speaks to the type of players. We have fear type team we have the conviction they have. And those guys out there fought fought fought and they did a great job. That's a good office played. You know they were averaging thirty points a game with. Cam Newton as the quarterback. One. Get. A kind of follow up on that vic is there something the notion that a team has to learn how to win and if so what is the last two games say about where your team is going? I don't think there's any doubt you have to learn how to win, but that's a three-phase. Operation that has to do that. You know we've gotTa do better in the fourth quarter there you know close that out but hey, sometimes it's going to happen that way. You know sometimes they offense GonNa Struggle Defense going to have to continue to go back out there and finish the game. Sometimes you're going to get in a shootout and it it's to. Where the team that has the ball last has the chance to win the game and that's you might have to be some day so. Hopefully, we can learn from this. Two. Games we want on the road know that we're tight games and I'm proud of the guys. More kids. I'm not sure your reputation is as much of a blitz guy, but talk about that blitz on fourth down to. Up the, game there. Yeah well, I'm been ounce to you and everybody else. That one time. I was a leading blitz Krieger in the NFL but I've been a Defense is now for twenty some years. So the last few years. With. James I hadn't San Francisco Chicago. We didn't need to when it's there when it needs to be had, and obviously we needed to have today and then. The final one today was one that we put in for this game. We had never run before I had never run before my career we put it in I called their. Next Klis. Yeah coach critiqued is kind of review the last two weeks I thought. You know the first three quarters. You guys just seem sharper better prepared than we were. You, know the way you handle the whole job in nineteen. It seemed like a paid off for you as far as mental toughness for this game. And then secondly, game balls if you got those. Yeah I mean like I've said before our guys have been fantastic. In handling everything that comes with covert an inch started training camp. But you know it was stressed this past two weeks obviously with the game being. Three different scheduled dates and you know the guys losing their bye week and everything that goes with that and I think they were allowed like me in a way in that. Yeah you're mad you disappointed. You're frustrated. You wonder why? Within five minutes later you take a deep breath and you move on. And I think I've tried to get the guys to think that way. I think have they are a tough minded group of people I think that was on display today. To come here and win that game the way it turned out, it could have been an easy win. You know where we were. Five each other for the last three or four minutes of the game. But as the case, sometimes in the NFL that's not the way it turned out. And it took all that fortitude that we are using the deal with Cova to go win that game. So I do think there's a carryover. Then, the game balls coach. We gave one the McManus he set a record. I was told for Broncos team record six field goals. You know I thought hard about letting him drive for the shoveling. It would have been fifty, seven or fifty eight. You know the admission I didn't want to give a good field position jumpstart their offense there so. I don't regret the decision. And we? We're going to deliver a game ball. The Kurdish marked ins you know in his absence here I'm sure he Thrilled that we want he's feeling great. He has no symptoms, but I know it's tough for him to miss this game we're going to give him. Time for few more after go ahead already. got a couple of four yet number one, the teams that score on their first six drives or now thirty four and one in two thousand but all years were filled goals so. How are you feeling? Did you ever feel comfortable or were you on pins and needles as you guys are kept scoring but but couldn't get into the end zone? Well I mean obviously I'm I'm happy scorn. I'd like some of those to be touchdowns as everybody on this team would and every Bronco Fan would. We're going to have to work harder finishing our dries particularly in the red zone. I don't know how many of those down in the red zone Really, only two of them I guess you know because they were fairly long field goals. But yeah, we'd like to finish them with the. Some touchdowns and usually. They can come back to bite and if and. Held on there it would. Business but. They proved to be a NAS to win the game right now. That's all we need. And secondly, you took a lot of shots at the end zone. and. A couple of times, a receivers just missing it I'm. Wondering. If that was just from the rhythm, not being withdrew the last couple of weeks and how did you think Alberto did in his debut? I don't think it comes down the rust. You know I mean the balls up in the air there's a chance there. You know we gotta find a way to make those plays. Whether it be just another institute farther in the throw going up competing for the ball. We got to be better at those. I think you're not GonNa get them all that I think we could have converted at least one of those, which would have had a major Impact on the game I thought Albert came and he caught two balls. I believe for forty five yards oblique. Both of them were first downs are both good gains. I thought he I thought he did well, you know he had a Lotta practice last two weeks with the NOA ban hurt and he had some practices that were. Just so so in catching the ball and some that were real good and him and I thought I said, he's just got. Play free I thought he was plant practicing a little tense. And it to free himself up, be who can be and go out there with confidence run the routes balls thrown. Go get it. And I just I. Felt a little better body language from during the game plus you jet lag. Wreck can you just expand a little bit on that last blitz on why decided to put something in? You've never run before and just kind of your thought process with all that. Well I just think you know at times during the season there's you have to come up with something new on a week to week basis. and. That's one that I've been looking at and. Just decided, this was the time to do it. You know and I mean this was the week to put it in plus. was the time for us to do it as our package evolves here you know with. With Cam Newton as you guys saw, you know he was their leading rusher. And I don't think many of them were called runs most of them were scrambles. and. We we've got. At guys sometimes to contain a good quarterback. That's good runner. And it's just where we're at right now and so. You know you thought the timing was right for. Air. To you I felt Lindsey Heggie. Thank he looked in his return. I thought at times he looked really really good like Philip. Looked and other times I thought he was a little rusty, but that's to be expected. You know he hadn't played since the first half of our opener. And I think when you consider everything, he played good. But I think he'll look at and think he laughs from yards out there. and. Then how would you evaluate jurors performance and some good plays early, but then the two fourth quarter interceptions. I drew played well. You know he hadn't played since the about the tenth play of the Pittsburgh Game. Didn't practice until this week really I thought he looked good out there when I say that I thought he looked comfortable and he didn't look like a guy who's coming back from injury one tentative it was out there playing football the way we want him to play. Honestly the interceptions you know we don't WanNa have one was I believe a miscommunication? A look at the one, the other one on day but. I think it's a great learning experience for him and the entire team. And hopefully, we'll be better prepared to close out the next time we get a lead like the Alice jumped from Vic. Fangio to the quarterback drew lock. Of course before he hops on zoom calls, he always talks to the voice of the broncos Dave Logan. So here's that brief chat. How did it feel back after almost a month out of action. WHAT'S UP IF? Oh, good. Good I. I was excited to finally get out there and start playing against another team and Actually out there at the guys contemplating the huddle and. You know for majority of the game that was smooth. We is kind kinda shot us to the foot there in the fourth quarter, but you know for us to come out of a win here with not scoring touchdown as an offense. And how you know there's a lot of positive things to take from husbands and offense today with how easy we got down the red zone we needed to score. So there's two sides this I feel like we can look at it, and that game weedon score a touchdown or it's while we were in play to score a touchdown. So many times what we did in the middle of we just gotTA, FINISH IT AND I'm glad we get to learn that lesson as a as a win loss. Yeah. No no doubt about that. It's just said that we came on a hell of a lot easier to learn lessons in great film and Fix mistakes when you win as opposed to. Louis. Losing, let me ask you on the first interception there looked to be. It looked like a back shoulder stop route and and was there miscommunication on the route because it didn't look like Tim actually look for the football at all. Now. It was that was all on me. That was may I I. Felt like I was over top a little bit back was turned to me and. getting to the sideline a little bit to where I thought you know all right. I'M GONNA put a high and on the back of a back Zolder Tim and Sure enough guy turned round fell off. I shouldn't have done that we've been being those guys deep all day. I should have done it again just 'cause. I should've thrown I should've just let it go don't what I've been doing the whole game balls all chuck and and then it would have been fine. And that wouldn't have happened to hopefully ran the ball more the game over I wouldn't even throw in the second pick but. Single. Learn From and we'll see we'll see it on film. I'll probably be slapped myself. Nice to Nice to get your college teammate Albert Okura woon-ahm in action he had a couple of catches in his NFL debut I'm sure he's going to look at the film on two in the end zone that I think even he will say you know what I gotta go up and make that play, but he is a very talented fast big man. Yes. Yes. I'm excited that he got out there today. Super Cool for both bus finally back on the field together again. Just. You know something that when I left Missouri I thought would never happen. You know there's so many other teams in go to. We would have had like we needed to draft tied in you'd have to still be there. Just, there's a Lotta odds to say that we were never gonNA play football together and I love playing football that guy. So for us be able to be back here in Gillette. And get a win in his first game where he gets to play was just super special drew congratulations on the win. Thank you so much. Sandra withdrew finish it up with Dave Logan and immediately Hobson's compressor with assembled Denver media. And it was asked off the top a after that long layoff and get out there and your first game plus at big w how do you? I feel good I. I've kind of always been the guy when you get into a game the ball just. You know comes out better than it doesn't practice or her warm-ups 'cause you don't need to think about anything about your machine anything by stroke by your you just. Rely on the Thousands of APPS you take over your lives. And just comes out and that's how you feel out there on the field. That's todd fell today which I was excited about. There's A. There's no doubt my mind that I was ready to come out and play. And try to lead US tool and I think maybe a week earlier and I'm not one hundred percent sure about. But I would have been ready this week and I was excited that you know there's got to be pushed back, build play this game here to and I got to actually step on the field and secondly after the second interception, how anxious were those last two minutes watching the defense? Berry. Very anxious You know that's just that's our offense of. We're GONNA take shots there. The first one was one hundred percent on me. From the look I saw I, feel like I could try to squeeze it back shoulder. or The defender falls off. Meantime. Or at this week if I just throw it the way I've been throwing the whole game fit into the whole shot against cover to. Match for like I did the first play a Game Sim. Refined. been able to the second pick up ball costly score field goal and. Arm. Sipping gatorade on the sideline relax instead of. There's one intermission. Drew there were deep shots early late throughout the game what went into date to to today's emphasis on being aggressive with those downfield shots. We just felt like we could take those. That's the thing with our offense. That's the reason we drafted the guys who did. The reason that we kept the guys are we did. We feel like we can these shots, take these shots and teams are going to be weary about the other half have guys over the top to help. and then if they do that, we'll run the ball. When it's GonNa take to really really good DB's on each side with good safeties helped with your safety help. Try To stop these guys run by him. We're that confident our athletes so we have to ever. On excited to keep progressing in the offense keep learning. More. About Philip Lindsey not only the yards he gained at the energy I'm sure he brought. Rock them. Them, sock and Bob and Phil. With the hair rolling today he was ready. You is excited on it felt good to finally have him back on the field and he brings in energy that. Is just dotted. Out. Adam back is huge for offense. I'm. Excited to hopefully get everyone back eventually offense. Stephen. Side of the ball and it's really good. This team can be. Colbert. talked about Tim's catch on the first play the game also the thirty two yard or down the sideline kitchen it through the sun to back to back near. Dr. Games Ram what can you just say about Esther. You know we talked to. Or when I talked to. Go Shurmur. Before. He got here before he got to know anybody. I told him. No but one of the guys that you know might not get talked about enough. or You know You might get talking about Louis but not enough in my eyes was listed in Patrick. was always been that guided me in my opinion big strong physical guy loves the game of football. It's hard. It's hard to beat about practice inundation on it really is I. Mean They WanNa be out there they wanna work. So just Danni has them wired every single day and I took a shirt for a guy here. I'm like man this guy's GonNa make a lot of place for this year again it's it's not a media guy owns gonNA freak out about get thirty thousand tweets about ten Patrick this year but he's GonNa make a lot of place for us and I appreciate him being on team excited that is. Still drew you talk about muscle memory or whatever's going out and playing that kind of what it is with Albert out there I know that he didn't come down with those couple but for us it flashbacks near Timing Columbia but. Without a doubt it was. I told them that route that he ran. We've we've put him on that route a couple of times there in Columbia. And, I told him is against. College just a little faster but you know your bigger, you're smarter you're stronger. To Meyer play well and you know I even call one of my buddies last night though is my roommate and no. Albert's really good friend Migrelief good friend Jack How's IT Hey Albert's our Tina Gao. Tomorrow makes plays man they got tune in to watch is I'm excited for him to play nine no. Albert's going to be upset about some of those plays in the red zone and of course. Them to a higher standard than he's probably hoping for. So we'll probably hit. We'll probably hit a couple those after after cracks this week but. I was excited for him on Freud. That might drew I how the body fill you did take a couple of good hits at least a one of those sacks, and secondly, you guys have found a way to win these past two games. Do you feel like? There's a bit of a return to relevance you guys out there turning the corner now. Yeah I mean I I feel like the media much like returned know relevant cer- people that aren't in our building might think that but we knew that we could be a really good team It's hard to come up to Latin went better yet win without scoring a touchdown. We knew we could be a really good team. We just gotTa keep putting these pieces together. And keep. Rollin plan a really really did team. That's week. A big test scores to see who we are. Zebra merely toss physically. Come in there and. Try to get a win but you know I, truly feel like we're extremely good team. We just gotTa, put both sides of the body together. All three actually special teams often in Ethan's. A little bit little bit together tonight. But. I'd say special teams defense carry this without a doubt in dubbing said, we pass it over to the legend himself. He's on Mike and then we've got coming up. Yeah drew on, you move the ball day, but the red zone and the high red zone area You didn't come through. It seemed like guys took a lot of deep shots down field was that kind of game plan you thought in the rents on that's where you could be in them. And you're not. Getting. Complacent Nonni got Brandon McManus behind. You're right. You know. Arts. All's he? Definitely. Allows us to take a deep breath they're. Call feel like all one. That was kind of the game plan we saw her -tunities. To pass the ball on down there. And opportunities. Were there we just gotTa. Kinda come up with that. That's the struggle of it. It's. Just football no, you gotta put those little plays together. They made some we made some but nearing the end, we need to make more than NATO. Guest in in a way we did do on. Offense, a side of the ball off of group we know we got lots work on, we appreciate our defense and our special teams. But it it's. It's very bright for us here without a doubt and I'm excited to keep working with these guys because we can be a special team. A. Government. As you can imagine the man of the Hour Brandon McManus who again will be for the second consecutive game named AFC special teams player of the week that is a foregone conclusion. I guess unless somebody who the chiefs have seven field goals or the bills tonight or if tyree killer McColl Hartman or someone like that or the returner for the bills returns couple touchdowns So barring that brand new. Special teams player of the week. So he was asked him, he sat down with us. Was this right up there with your best game ever. Yeah I got they're. Desperate this up there with the Pittsburgh visual around game conditions in that game are definitely more difficult than today Super Wendy Pittsburgh game when I. Didn't have to I. Don't believe. I had to fifty are can't remember. I had a lot of long kicks in that game but You know this is definitely y'all special especially for me as well. Come back years but seven years since I came back in two thousand fourteen when I You know this Kinda started the Ron I guests when the broncos Comey I hit a forty one yard off the. Upright UN, and then a week or two later after the dolphins game is native cutting me. So this place special for me to kind of come back and perform like that and. It's always difficult to kick. Wendy stating like this? Next one Andrew. How badly did you want to go out there and try that fifty seven yard or in the fourth quarter though in San went out there and was called the point. About, zero percent. A. To me. I've made one kick fifty, seven yards in over to to scores you know, and obviously I'm kicking while I take the last game long long kicks in this game. But I think to me you know I've been a football fan growing up as a kid. You know I I, like the play San just win if I miss that day of the ball midfield in-depth the momentum so. I really wasn't it's. Out there obviously, you know I got the call to go out there I would have. Put My best foot forward to make it but I wasn't niche at all to be honest with Andrew. Joy joint time for few more after going to try to move through as many guys we can't go at Troy. And and you and sly Williams. Only two guys planet either on the Super Bowl fifty team. You know what? Winning looks like you watch these two wins away you close out or you start dissents maybe you guys are turned the corner with this group. I think there's definitely different the the energy on the sideline even after that lasted interception obviously the offense love back. But you know a lot of times has been like this alongside a here we go again disease in Denver. We can't ever play with the lead and finish it. So but there was an energy. There was such a flying around from the defense and you know they kind of took that challenge on themselves out like I did today wanted to step up make lightly were flying around a at the end of the game, obviously as a spectator and that someone on the sideline, it was Austin the see everyone was pretty pumped about the way they were flying around at the end and an helped us win the game. For three four mark earning brandon. Mark. A couple I drew discarded legend while you're waiting the come talk to us, does he call you legend around the practice facilities jurors second year in the League you know he's got lots learn a lot of legends before me so You know now obviously, it's a great comment from him but you know obviously, you know I want to continue. You'll blend well and and taking well and give us a chance to win opposites gate in wherever mouth feel whether it's whatever distance it is wherever a map. My utmost confidence in myself to make the kicks. Obviously, it's great for or due to say that, but I know I know I. Still a lot of work to go in the season left to continue to try to have my best season in my career. And talk a little bit about higher teammates reacted to these what ten days two weeks of uncertainty and what? It's been eighteen days. I think mark along with since we played again and Obviously there was some frustration when the game postponed last time obviously it's to me it's important for the players offices union ramp, a health and safety skied but I've see one i. see what these guys do day in day out I want them to get paid for that and if we don't play these games, even just practice him in. Other. The paychecks for families rely stuff. So obviously I think we did a great job team S. eighteen days that on through it not get too complacent with you know seeing the same game film office you know don't I don't do any film release that's pretty easy for me but at least guys April stay locked in in the in the meetings and another going over the same stuff again yellow says the test them. Off to them. Already Abandoned congratulations on the Big Day I just wanted to piggyback on that last point and I'm wondering what you thought of Vic Fangio's handling of all this. Rona virus craziness in the NFL he seems to have been really the voice of reason. Just, in the way, he's Kinda bought a perspective to it. What did you is? Is One of the leaders of this team is is one of the players who who are. You know in the Union leadership what have you thought of the vix handle that? Agassi good job I, think the whole organization has done a great job. Obviously, it starts from the top. Ten Greek is our ICAO central officer pretty much for running everything and Obviously we're all still learning about doing everything about doing it the right way. And the keys we've been fortunate. You know pretty fortunate so far we've been doing know Andrew back in the mountains I. Think personally might probably do some stuff slow better how we handle that situation but nothing as oranization done pretty well with with Hanley obviously, our first time deal with anything like this and we all get thrown in a ranch and we travel them. Now we have to do virtual meetings here on the road because now we're GONNA, a different protocol than we were before. So obviously all of us are doing it on the fly in whatever team does that the best is definitely the best chance to win on Sunday. So You know obviously, they're always it'd be young. You're saying stairs about certain things and But at the end of the day, the Franck you put on the field, it looked keeps you in the league and you know. So we could control Kinda say what we want about this ad but your product on the field is what keeps you here and get you paid so that's you know obviously my words, wisdom's all these young guys. Brandon. Got Justice Simmons Year and will lead off with burn herstall. Brennan. Are Adjusting to four I and I'm guessing you know this but I didn't realize on people in broncos country didn't this was your first career fumble recovery. So how good that feel to finally get your hands on a ball on the ground, and then secondly, what does drew lock? What kind of confidence is he gives the team that's different from really any of your other offense players, but certainly, just unique to him. Yeah I think I it was great I felt really good. You know getting the ball is getting the ball and so I was interceptions are great on sorry fumble recoveries in still working on forced fumbles getting those up and then but Jews great man I think I i. don't know what it you know. I said it a lot Thank. You know last year when he had that five game stint and then even this off season a little bit now drew has on the explain it, but he has like that. Like swag factor that factor where like you could just believe in a guy like him when he's out there so He was playing great. All Day I thought he made a lot of great throws I know there's a lot of times some you know guys wish they would have held on to the ball for there but I thought he played I thought he played great. You'RE GONNA make some mistakes they think that happen but you know we know we can trust his. So today's Today's game defense had out there You know a couple of times and closed things out you know there may be gaps in the future where we put our office in position in I got close things out for us. So that's just how it was great team win. Heller. Adjusted. Link on Defense here to win the game a couple of times today. But when New England started that lasts drive what was the confidence level in the huddle and did anybody say anything that really resonated? I mean confidence was at all time. There's no reason not to be confident. You know all game long qt we're doing such a great job stopping the run challenging in the past game Gaza, win in their one on ones, and so we were out there. You know you could tell they ran a couple of trick plays to kind of move the ball I. Think it was like three series in a row they ran our downs in that series and rower. They ran like trick plays the kind of get some big junkyards, get him in position, and so we just kept harping like do what we do do what we do and you know attack you could tell guys where little fatigued but we just had to finish the game. We knew it was gonNA come down to that. So I was proud of you know I was really probably the way that we finish as defense. because. It just in Michael had the punch out on on on the ball, and then also have the good cut down on the late as from from. Newton, what's been impressed you most about how he's bounceback back since early erupt in Pittsburgh. Yeah I mean, we knew we knew he had it in them We've been practicing widow and we've seen in a training camp. We see in practice weekend week out the type of capability that he has and so. I think that's just how the league goes. You know one game there's always an overreaction or you know things in that nature and it's the league. You know guys guys have great weeks weekend and week out and so just happened to Oj You know when we talk about the steelers game, they made a couple of plays on it, but he's the. Type of guy that you're going to bounce back and you know we've seen that instant he's always in tight coverage and that's a good thing. You're corner obviously being tie covers make a plays on the football and we see the type of capability that he's had he has and so is you know he's only going to keep growing from here. Proud. Wave late embattled mark. Fourth them play of their last drive double safety blips. Correctly Vick said he had never called that defense before ever. And he put it in last week, what did you think when you put it in and get down to the last minute of game? He hasn't caught it yet. That's very that's very vic ask I remember the Browns game last year at home. Dick called the safety blitz and I'm sure he's called it before but he didn't call it the whole game and we worked on a sunlight throughout the week and so you know he's the type of guy that just has a great feel for the game in terms of play calling. And he just thought it was the right time to call it. We obviously never called for in. You know it's a lot of trust in the players to be able to go out there and executed. So. No cream and I were were sent on the blitz and You know just ex well executed around the board. Next one. Let's go at the interesting. Two Games in a row you get to game saving stops. What does this say about? How not only does defense evolving but the team overall learning how to win? Yeah it's huge like I said man, you know we played the. We played the jets on Thursday night no turnovers for US defensively I think they were they were plus three talking about the jets turnover battle. We found a way to win so that confidence that gives a lot of confidence often start defense I mean we didn't get the ball. We still find a way to win offense we turned over three times still put up thirty seven points found a way to win the football game. So I mean it's all about momentum and Ryan that wave and so even though it's been whatever we can have two weeks since we played come out here foxborough tough environment regardless of no fans are not to win and. Coming out here, defense find a way to get turnovers and offense just moving the ball down the field. You just you just ride those types of momentum's man and I was just really proud of the way that we felt like we were very physical. This game both both sides of running the football, and then like I said, mine are one on one match ups in the past game does to lift over to quarry the Mike. Alike Yourself Shelby Harris is in a second straight contract you're so to speak. I'm wondering what kind of a buzz does he bring to your your units into your locker room as a guy that likes to brag a little bit about his basketball skills and he does have twelve since one, thousand, nine, hundred got twelve pass deflections which leads me. On, man yeah. Man Shelby Shelby's the guy. I think a lot of this defenses made up of a lot of guys where. You never know when your number's going to be called in terms of making a play. But when you're number is called, you can always rely on that person to make Chubby one of those guys man on. Thank. You can never just look at the look at the stat sheet and say like all he was effective. He was ineffective Shelby's a guy like when he's in there, he's effective doesn't matter. You know the numbers don't add up you know or whatever the case may be. I don't even know his numbers this game but I know when he's in there on those stuff, he makes things happening. And that's the guy that you want on your team guy like shelby to lead you guy like Mike. Delete. Raqqa galway across the border. From dealing linebackers to the back in and so on. Shelby Shelby's been A. Really Solid Foundation Preston decent. Yeah just besides last play, it does seem like the Kes- dialed up the blintzes more often here in the last two games you feel like you know he's being more aggressive in those that. You know far as a player do you like that the fact that there's more responsibility more playmaking chances those type of things. Yeah. You know I've come to find that Obviously not. Every. Players have their opinions on coaches. Perfect. But Vic Manny I always feel like he has such a good grasp of the game that. Nine Times out of ten. What he calls as always feels like it's the right call at the right time and so I think he found the rhythm of the game. We call it a little bit more blitz and we found to be effective sometime speeding up the quarterback is a you know is a thing in and of itself where it gets them out of rhythm gets out of the the rhythm of finding their receivers in the passing game in like I said, you know he can cause great the game as he wants guys gotta be with a you know to make the plays in that defense that he calls and I thought you know across the board Oj Bryce. Corinne myself you know the linebackers I thought we were in great coverage all all game, this today and. They did a great job. Doesn't stay this time goes. By for guys. Let's jump from Justin Simmons right into rookie Michael Edge Moody. Seven tackles I think two pass breakups. She forced that fumble at Justin scooped up and when he sat down with us, he was asked as you would expect about the huge bounceback really over the last couple of games. But since that steelers game and the toll, it took on a mentally and how was he able to build on that and turn out a performance like this and continue just to grow here. The mental aspect is just you know listening to your mentors tutors. So taking the coaching. Taking a vice from K. Jack in a Justin, just roll with it. So that gives me confidence every week. Next will run eyler. Cocaine take us for the play where you gave up the catch and then got the fumble. I I was a bad play is back covers by me, but you know when his opportunity you gotta take it. So I've seen his balls in the wrong hands so I just went in for the kill. Next number and crystal. After that steelers game, you said you can be better you will be better. So I guess was that something we're use it as motivation or you have this and that was the anomaly. Yeah. I know I know what I can do I knew I could play better than I played that game. So it's just You know giving myself conference at. which occur on tape that's not you and you can definitely from that. Next what? Am I gonNA wondering what is it like to when you see, brandon? McManus. Trotting out there for a long fell short he'll go what kind of. Confidence or whatnot do you have on the sideline when you see? When you see him coming out? Is. That's the is confidence because. The the fifty we know he's going to put that thing in so. That's three points for us. So you know anywhere else feel like were confident. He's GonNa Player game because he's during practice. Goes. On. The final play. That was a play the to safety board's the could in this week, find the call at the end of the game You know just take through kind of what you're feeling as as you know, that's the planets go and what your responsibilities were and how you kind of were hoping that was an end up. Yeah, it's Kinda. We knew this is it. This is the place. So you know it's all out blitz when we are covered for about one two, three seconds in. nope. Thanks to. Trust us to cover our guys for that long enough in you know as deputation gusts appreciate that call. For the morning swim short. We never not used to seeing. This much Michael, his fears. But these last two weeks we've seen that, can you feel an identity forming with this defense around that aggression? I mean, because today we preach turnovers preaching. Getting the guys on the quarterback in deathly aggressive defense in is one that we appreciate. They want because he's seen it at us from day one, we believe in ourselves. So it's definitely a defense has really aggressively looking to make as many turnovers as possible. Gathers reminder if you've no longer question, please lower your hand. Okay Brandon Business? Michael. A back to the thing about your coaches and your mentor specifically, your your veteran teammates what types of things do they say to you maybe during the weekend certainly in game because everything happens obviously faster on game. The biggest thing. K. Jack tells me is you know be smart play within yourself. Visit Meets Long Game. Be Tough you know like play within the game. The game always move certain way in during the week. Actually big me over. You know just you know. F out there be relaxed fun. The Guy we drafted and. Shows a was some trust in me. And then our final zoom call we'll go to a guy that almost never comes last in anything Philip. Lindsey again, one, hundred, one yards twenty three carries in for the first time we had a mobile zoom call instead of sitting down in front of a laptop or an ipad he he might still been in front of a laptop or an ipad might have just been a salvo. He did it while he was walking to the bus. So you'll watch a video on the DENVER broncos website at Denver broncos dot com. It's probably on twitter feed as well, but Philip Lindsey with this year post game. And he was asked off the top just about as big game getting back on the field. I. Think. Was a shock to my body being out a muster much and a half, and then going in there and get like that. So. I got a lot of things. You know my office a line did a great job. You know they protected me they got me. Outed them and. He's got to you know we as a team now as audience Melik. Away you will. It's embarrassing not to giggle touchdown. You're right there and that's something that we need to go back. Asking suggested. This him. and. Something that will. Be Consistent on you know. We need to go back to work on that. Go, ahead troy. Still you guys got inconvenienced to get your schedule messed around. You deal with all this covert stuff was the response finally like, Hey, just take this personally go plant somebody in the mouth. That's W Kinda Mad. I think that we were kind of like. We just WANNA play moment. We, move on to the game that. Both of us were disadvantaged because of the Kobe. We came good name blank stuck with it and. We got the job then. Brenick hit film I to you. The first is about your coach Curtis Motzkin Game Ball from Vic. So how happy are you for them? Have you talked to him and then what was it like not having him there and I guess not having Melvin Gordon either. For sure he deserves it. Is says he hasn't got to be here. He's gone through a lot of stuff with his family with. No He prepares US every every day every game. The same way you know in the weather is number weather's me what is Royce he out a sign? Discipline about what do off. And He didn't get to come today, but I know definitely he was. A couple times in trying to get US get us. So he deserves it. And then withdrew, he talked about all the the energy that you bring. But what confidence did he give your offense when he's out there? Explosive, you know he has confidence. He has that slager. Contagious and I think. He's either. And he's going to need. To grow with us in. Oliver. So thanks to. Madame broncos PR. He makes plenty of appearances also heard plenty of my media colleagues there postgame happens fast and they really Kinda one after another as I've told, you guys. All right. Let me behind the curtain a little bit off for the next two weeks from Koa, hanging out with my wife and my two year old and our brand new baby girl. But Wednesday and Friday this week we still have a podcast definitely talked Kevin Harlan. He's calling the broncos game in back to back weeks they're playing the chiefs so we decided to wait until. After the chiefs game can voice of the cheese for a long time lives in Kansas. City part-time when he's not in northern Wisconsin out by Green Bay so it'll be good to talk to Kevin Harlan make sure you check out chug water chilly dot com also check out draftkings use Promo Code vk for a chance one, thousand dollar sign up bonus. But I'll still be checking in on twitter on just taking it a little easy because I want to spend time with my new baby girl. So I appreciate listening we will catch you next time on the broncos daily podcast.

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Kovalev vs YardeShow Pacquiao How Its DONE with Clean VADA Testing

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Kovalev vs YardeShow Pacquiao How Its DONE with Clean VADA Testing

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This is exactly what should be taking place cove eleven yard showing pack yao how it's it's done with clean vodka testing on high level fights yard ecstatic to be having testing after the spy fight was kind of on a back burner flip-flopping not really knowing what was going to take place so the last thing that we would've expected acted was vodka testing for this fight when really it was announced in august late july but yard receives at least one month of drug testing details to come soon kovolev ward in russia vodka testing will be on hand. I'm i'm excited about this. Happy to report this and you know the number. If you wanna give your opinion on this very topic is one to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one and once. I'm the voice your opinion right here on the voice of the people hotline now don't forget you can add esther gibson skype that'd be part of the conversation and download the skype app anywhere in wherever it's free and you know that it's free and then you can just go ahead and download the patriot act. It's also free and catch up on a bunch of other podcasts that never get played right here on our youtube youtube channel only on our patriot fee for our most loyal supporting listeners that being said let me head on over to my second half the it was dot com light we it was dot com yoyo good morning good morning good morning everybody out there in the t. V. universe backward another one welcome welcome back ladies and gentlemen <hes> anthony yard cova seems like they would have drug testing and play but it seems like one party or made to seem like one party didn't necessarily want the drug test. I know the first thing was to be on. I believe june twenty nine july twenty nine june twenty nine and at the fight would have been it on the day drug testing that might necessarily not been emplaced but i'm glad to see coming off the backs of many paki out and keep dermott who who in my opinion <hes> got a lot of slack got a lot of flack for not having drug testing and they're about <hes>. I believe a anthony yard going over to russia sign copa del <hes> having drug testing is a major major major component because at the end of the day we just wanna make sure both guys are cleaned. Both guys are on a liberal plan feel and nobody has a vantage over anybody on the no. Oh special meetings no special counts. I mean <hes> council no last minute. Oh we gotta do a test because you felt testing now on the none of that shit nevada to make sure their do their job and catch anything everything. If there are any <hes> <hes> foul play at hand and <hes> i know would make it a lot about it but kovalyov is older. He is a little bit not not not a safety excessively odor but he is a lot older than anthony yard yard so i'm glad to see everything on the up and up and on a level playing field that like the previous big side that we had but <hes> yeah man that's the book but we'll be talking about what will break down and what we'll get into <hes> lies in camp. I watched the interview yesterday when anthony anthony yard where he talked about the judges so he was happy and i watched it open workout so it seems like all things go ready for the fight man what's going on. What <hes> what up man good morning good morning <hes> sad to hear. You haven't gotten a phone situated. Hopefully we can get that done. The day <hes> excited to here that there will be no discrepancies in this fight. There will be no asterisk next to display and the reason i put shows pack cows because you're the face of boxing. Do we want to take over. Its cannella taking over yes so he gets that title but who knows or has introduced more boxing fans to box in paco who continues to be in the argument meant for fighter of of all time like regardless of losses dudes pound for pound. Resume is unquestionable even comparing it to mayweather. He's guys that we want to make whether to fight. He's continued to find but he's always had that black that cloud and this particular fight yard and kovolev happening in russia it already had that black cloud. We already know the russians cheating this no secret i can say and yeah i said you go into the hometown of an old dude who's accused of you know acres assume i see and i just know i've heard the controversy with the olympics and the whole russian drug testing once like russia is like i don't know so much about things outside of my own country but you everybody knows russia's a hotbed for cheating is just about a month so kovalyov ever been a cheater absolutely now but now when you go over there you already got that negative doubt in your mind but this is exactly how you clear it. This is exactly what many pack you did not do for us for the keith thurman fight right and that's why it's fight is in question post fight because people are like wow forty years old forty years old you can do that to an up and coming young welts away so wow we don't want to be in that same frame of mind if kovolev is able to upset your we don't want to diminish his win and and the only way that that can happen or rather not happen is by having vodka and the clean drug testing program attached to this fight and they have yards arts quote was. I hope they're testing. Kovolev is much as the testing me. That's how much testing they're doing and this is what i like to hear. Absolutely it's very important that we have a clean sport any when it comes to these championship fights and others magnitude <hes> it's kinda hard man not to have drug testing them in their man. Like what are we doing. If we're going to have the elite of the elite drug that's no send the face of of the sports drug tested known about it. Even though coppola not a is on the face of boxing. He's definitely the face of one seventy five. He is probably the most you know one seventy five out there so i feel like having him drug tested is a great you having yard <hes> tested to also great and i was saddened to see that the way the article made it seem to that the covert ops team wasn't trying to do drug testing on the june twenty nine fight right. Did i read that right or did i am. I still groggy. I did read something like that. We can definitely read it together and see if we in <hes>. Let's see see when bonello negotiation sailed through cola and his handlers win four with the yard clash that ended to make a bigger. Was that a layer where you see that. I'm loss okay. The quote the first call the biggest part layer or or biggest player. They fuck it up yeah. They always doing some typos. We're that enabled us to be a big par layer about sergei not wanting drug testing for our initial date of june twenty ninth. Thank god it worked. I'm not a legend anything about sergei but i'm one hundred percent delighted to know for sure that this will be a clean fight this from him his perspective. Maybe you could be comfortable. You're you're maybe maybe he just something that wasn't necessarily true though combed up trying to do it i mean so we don't know ah that's sexual but i mean i'm not gonna anthony are lower than anything like that but i'm just glad everything's on the up and up and so they can get a fight that doesn't have that that that monday morning quarterback to like oh did he do something else too. Damn good. He looked looks like a motherfucker machine where he really really really clean and now post fight immediate reaction when we're doing live right here on youtube dot com slash the box the voice no no one can take anything away from either fight or whatever happens was meant to happen. There was no assistance there was no cheating and i quote oh fighters who use drugs not only cheating but putting the putting the lives of their opponents in even greater danger and that's a that's a very important guys correct me if i'm wrong didn't kobe actually have a a definitely very possible. I remember something like that so imagine if he had shit on top of that you know what i'm saying i mean he's already scary again no question i believe i did hear that. He had a definite rating so i'm glad to see that <hes> that that we are doing things the right way. I was tested the other week on a trip to las vegas when i was besieged by phone calls as i walked along the strip and had to rush back to my hotel hotel instead of going to eat at hooters of to eat you don't understand the muscles the feed you you just watch him. Oh gee one day all. Why did we go to the restaurant to this. Guy gets so much fu so much food but it's a loved yeah. I mean when you got a body like that. You gotta feed it a lot of carbs and calories to maintain those muscles deflate but and i continue i was when i was besieged by phone calls. We'll show can either who does find then as soon as i got home. I was tested four times in quick succession succession. It's reassuring to know that cova that we'll be getting tested. The same kovalev has the experience but you are believes in his youth skill power. Will we'll overcome that factor and that's why testing is important because if your banking on that guy being old and you being young. Will you want that guy to respond like an old old man. You don't want anything in his bloodstream definitely wanted to ask they had put up some big agents ship before in the rain. Put them the the bengals leadership but <hes> i'm. I'm i'm quick segue. I'm getting kind of nervous. Man around been the slagged lies in the camp fled but was it give start getting down elected last couple of weeks. You just like oh man is getting close. Man magai finally get his title battleship pull. The form of nerves members nervous guys he. He has never been you before. You gotta be nervous honestly like the this is a good thing that we know this jackson. This is really good but it's still in russia like i don't even know another high level fight that took place in russia sure jeremiah cosco germany. Let alone be yeah that ain't high level who fought fucking manual cia man heavyweight world title is not now level versus like manual char some. I know versus looking hey david hey that happening in russia and i say i said oh but but germany though i didn't say russia oh yeah no. I don't remember this level in russia. I know providing a cough. I can't even remember who provide nicole took to russia jones for somebody over in russia and that's awesome like we don't see this so shout out to your one. We got gasiya versus over russia okay. That wasn't doesn't really. I love versus drag. Oh i know i'm gonna get a lot of shift at his but that was artist. What you mean we we had this over rushing league. That ain't high level to me you know taking garcia mega the fuck out and neither one of them motherfuckers have made us learn how to spell the name kidding me. Give them bragging. You come on man. Come on come on as you claim to. Fame is tony bellew one hundred seventy five pounds of like. Let's be real here. Come on stop man. Let them fight for real. He bought the fight. He bought the fight tack them. 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There's third live in my s- thank you progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates discounts not available in all states or situations micro hundred win looking better and and better every day is it was looking like maybe they rob hunter what it was he. Just you take a ride ratnam. I close it looking better with more and more like a robbery is on. I'm saying a robbery we like. I mean joe you fi- intact them and honda for undefeated. I go understanding extending the analogy. Are we saying that michael hundred beat usa. I mean wasn't it like a contingency. Affairs thought he won all right. I'm going i'm. I'm just action. I didn't even watch that fight. I what i'm saying here a member the h._b._o. G._o. man i i believe i guarantee. I watched it because i even the u._c._l._a. Minzhu <hes> tobias issue or or macabre who he fought with 'em yeah tobise mentioned caboose for for menchu some shit like i'm probably pronouncing enroll but we sent him on h._b._o. Before he was returned fighter i'm just not i'm not impressed me. I'm not impressed in two hundred two hundred plus pound do running around the ring like he planned you know but we might see a different thing too. We my and we haven't is two different things. You know what i'm saying like. I mean it's cool. I'm i'm a fan of the boxer at a lower way in any way. Maybe maybe heavy away. If you look like tyson when you're doing like i don't like the way usa does. It doesn't doesn't look good to me. It doesn't look as fluid as tyson tyson. Swag is a little bit different like i'd be repulsiveness clips. You see them train them before. You see them dancing all that she doesn't buy. I'm telling you it's thomas coming. He's not fluid you know not everybody gets it with athletic gene gene and yes people might think he's let it because he's big and he uses his feet but i think he steph. That's just my opinion. I mean he's still done what he'd done. Accomplish accomplish all that he's accomplished you know sixteen twelve knockouts sixteen wins to a knockout all big names on his resume is not like gassiev isn't a name you know oh also moving up to heavyweight lot of rematch is formed there will hunter and garcia have not real heavyweights something matchroom and top rank would do anyway to blind line the fans you know put the wool over the eyes as in the heavyweight murat garcia who is really a cruiserweight yeah. I wasn't never too big or oh. Wendy do eat heavyweight <hes> he's like a power eight man to is is the bios menchu. He's like a power. Just gonna be a struggle for him. I believe i can be proven wrong but i didn't tell you when we are who angry. I don't know like a power as anthony. Anthony are working to the body <hes> that that's right that i sent him abroad on yesterday with a day in the g._m. Everything looking good aw really really sharp eighty. He's bars without a hamburger but it's not the traditional barn has the guy who's coming at him on the hand hinted so it's not the traditional sparring but he has to be clicked <hes> video that ain't that first of all is click beep and say i will say as being sharp in heavy reflexes. That's called active power beer dairy jayme. Does that's not sparring now. I yeah so misleading saga mile. I dunno they said sign about <hes>. We spoil harder than cold weather some wish it in tight on. It's just like not even spun. The fuck is is that yeah laughing joking in the ring. You know it ain't real and and i tell you what i picked up off that i picked up that the the dude is doing the power was in an orthodox position. Meanwhile you got your boy during shoulder roll and he china like i i guess period of right hand with the shoulder and i never even heard of that. I'm a a little worried. I'm a combination fucking do not it is not a i. I don't think that they was quick. I think they do it all the time they do that. They should all the time ed piece like. It's not like he's trying. Take it out but they they are <hes> like reflexes and mapping things kinda drill to what you just be a sharp riding size moving doug <unk> trying to stay out the way. You should like that braff. I go to let me go my phone. Maybe as fast if i go to my history and show you to tie on some of that shit ain't click while sparring in that mall fugger but they got the worse spawn all throughout you bug right now. Which one did you watch it on a failure boxing socio without <hes> yeah i do that okay yeah. I didn't see the second video this has spiraled response should then face for the guy who into the data for our affiliate down goes down in our lives so he he are no what what's the earlier than we watch too. Many videos 'cause but big upset really heaved that be when you meet them in person like five nine five eight go go. Would they fucking. This ain't no more fucking click bait yard all caps sparring. All caps equals hard hard or caps sparring all caps anthony y'all. Let's it written in pre cova workout komo komo on this. This is the second hour they don't yomata getting their straight talking right like you can't do power. I'm telling you man. We won't see we won't see because i love the show the row you know. I'm dying for somebody to take it over <music>. I'm dying for somebody to be on t._v. And these commentators say dan now. I can't believe he got that showdown and he's not part of that. Blah la la because all we hear is oh yea part of the blue line he didn't. He wasn't raised from the crib doing shero. He's copying. He wants to be like you know what i'm saying and and they put this stigma on the shoulder roll where you yourself as a box of van you see a fight. Come out and like oh. It's a it's a red flag to you and that's. I'm going into this fight like you know. Is he going bus out. This show the punch with a right hand down a fake showed the this is what he use always use man man but ain't gonna be no and if the bus about us that that showed pro i will i would like to see enter the possibly get with my guy <hes> james. Thanks tony manages work with james. Jonah learn learn that showed a row learn some different tactics that jane tony academia putting with the bad man. I'm telling you the bad adamo fucking when it comes to that hidden hit and staying at range. I don't deny that he's going to try it. I'm just doing that's going to be his main shit. I'm just wondering when he tries. It is going to get hit with a right hand because i feel like he ain't blocking the right like like i'm watching him do power and the dude is he writes let alone hell of body size like i don't know maybe he was tired. You you know you rise to the occasion. You know you up for your opponent all those good old cliches. Let's just hope that that's true because right now what we got it is july seventh so that brings us to what <hes> sixteen days does the twenty four th so seven is about seventeen eighteen days so you have two weeks from sarah two weeks from therapy no big fight on you know they got b._c. Sports bondage bondage. Should they pumping it on social media pumping it on youtube which is another form associates is going to be on e._s._p._n. Or san man you know i ran across cross a article that did a great job of showing the schedule with t._v. Show like is it gonna add t._v. <hes> in in the u._k. and the u._s. I gotta find a don't know where that was a missy. I'm a dog right now. They always wagging. I heard they want <hes>. You said they was fucking. Shit when iran iran yeah. I gotta be on them. Loss would anna net. It's crazy. I'm telling ah i wake up to are kind of crazy shit. What would you wake up to break can't find out schedule silent on. Maybe somebody else could tell i i mean. I'm sure we getting it on e._s._p._n. Because the bump saying only e._s._p._n. Oriented cardis lately that they should have been on e._s._p._n. Plus a lot a lot of the that was the whole point they giving you the at because it's our cobb like that's what plus is. I'm not mad. He's is china's not going to get a a accurate <hes> time and place so i can watch it. Yeah ah bt sport's already going to be like a russian t._v. You ride though i haven't seen <hes> bob and e._s._p._n. Announced nothing on what may you say something. I had a fucking press conference. That's another thing they got only a fake postal like a digitally made did they never even squared off yet banging oppressor no no no nothing hope they. Everything's going many had immediate workout yesterday. Though i mean he i wouldn't call it like <hes> public media work yet but guys down to the championship so he so he can uh uh sean some things and really be working on and showing that he's still shave scharping out all those kinds of things but i wouldn't call it like a traditional media worked out. It's like i wanted those. <hes> one of those open gym kind of days where you know you just bring people in you. Bring in different different. <hes> you the two channels in different media outlets and let them watch. She were an your element <hes>. I consider like a public workout. You go into a public jam. You've been out there in <hes> vitality general public to watch in so you workout so that's what i consider a workout but yeah we haven't had any press conference the poster digitally may i'm just hoping and there's nothing going come up or or or get in between the despite guys definitely a fight that i want to see. I just want anthony yards approve so so many people wrong guys like under war who said muslim don't want you sites guys who <hes> like eddie earned says you've already got. I mean just all the people that's been. I mean second guy also every since he came on the scene saying oh he ain't found nobody <hes> he he he. He ducked his his his hobby of last year all he did. He did tell he he's not. He's not the traditional box. They haven't been doing only no. He only had two fights so much. It's been said about the young men and i'm glad to see tune day. Anne frank warren do a good job of guarding a a- as far in i mean if you lose not like he lives to a bomb or or or gal who was not good. I mean maybe one of the one hundred seventy five pounds of the last ten years i will lead you to andre ward up there. It says he beat kobe but the at that and then kobe <hes> kim us to claim has been on the best waste lasting years absolutely one of the best. I don't even know man. That's missing like <hes> outside of war the past ten years the face. He's been a face for awesome fun. Sometimes you can sprinkle a done in there but outside of war i don't think about it's been a bigger. I mean i could be wrong with having watching boxing pants but was so quick ward only came up to him. He was the fact you know what i consider as wanting the best of a passing years a guy who beat them twice and he got to give him some credit for that yeah man we got rabbit fight between him and <hes> done at stevenson that never happened so that would that would have been a fight that i would like to to just to she would have played out but uh-huh gab. That's where he's getting better and doing better with his family for sure for sure listen. Let's open up these phone lines any final thoughts on the the <hes> fight. The fact that you guys got some drug testing man so at least you know again. We wipe our brows here. We're happy here care. We don't get we d- yeah because and for your dad's good to you know any muscle bound round dugas that wack stigma of something as they keep progressing if he keeps winning knock people out they'll start questioning like they did a j so this is a good step for for him. We're going to go out to the callers and i'm surprised we don't get a lot of on anyone yet. That's why nobody like. He's not gonna do these. Oppose him. No an ad from dad bad all right save money on car insurance when you bundle home and auto with progressive gotta take these off. What is this. This looks good wow. Where did you get this. I'm talking to you with the hair yeah. Where did you get this good stuff solid. 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I ain't gonna do that so the young oh man but <hes> man this is going to be a good. We finally get to see what yards about. I'm tired of the height 'cause we. There's so many any hype some boxing <hes> we could see they've yard is really about it and somebody who's really good because andre ward the last person to truly beat the phone call so yard doesn't better than but he he he truly beat them to that wasn't no yeah that was that was that was a devastating nocco. I mean but coppola came back in the rematch and showed would that he didn't have it. He just had a chance so you really had to give it to war but <hes> if <hes> a yard does it shoot. I wanna see ward in yard. That'd be real if he'd beat the dude. You gotta fight two times. If as yard does does it better and what are already been talking on saying i won't say talking bad about him saying he he's too infatuated with instagram graham muslims in when you signed and kind of share on oh man now wards never liked this generation instagram fight. He's uh-huh cut cut. This generation focuses more on put in what they're doing on social media and instead of focusing on the gym it's called brandon or if you would conscious about brandon maybe more than hundred seventy thousand oh so come on baby the more i but sometimes his opinion does rub me the wrong way but i mean <hes> can agree with everything everybody says correct but what is it good do very very surprising. I mean that's a problem because i've seen him on h._b._o. But he he pretty good at eight he he is way better than what he was on h._b._o. I'll tell you <hes> but he is a little bit like i'm better than you year. I promise you i said i wanna use that word either you you know i want them to come at me but it's like you said it i'll text you. I let me go out to bouma ranga. You're done with it with the sudanese. Baton whereas going on is so boy eight money mr dissolve the voices two thousand nineteen rookie year and i wanted to talk about anthony yard man. This kid has tremendous telling he has great punch power and he has athleticism. I would lie i to compare him to pass cow who just won his second world title this past weekend in knocking out. Mark is brown also he. He reminds me of david hay which tremendous athleticism that's the u._k. Have great boss and talent shell new money and my brother smart money from t. Dan g who told me about anthony yard. I mean he has what it takes to be an icon. I'm just going to say an icon. If he gets on his resume way. He knocks him out. You have a great fighter who was right pal. He calls them. Have on your resume. We'll be his who've been with andre. The warriors who fight pascal is star john pascoe so i'm just telling you the yard is one of the futures of brock's on the the everybody to check him out. He's going for the knockout. He's going for the kill and mike straight boston. Nobody talking like me. I'm that nigga came. Nobody fuck with me this kiddie c._m._g. Baby we go out to new money. No money no money new money. Just listen. We're going out to pro boxer. Marlen dropped off. It's been in training and marley gotta fight coming up this weekend which dropped off he he was. He was lit up so he got a chat from donal banks all the talk of kobe nello. I would think they don't want to be all in on it. Thanking koga kaput out at any time for it could never fly. I mean happened. Dicamillo should kinda. I don't wanna say dead in the water but is i. I mean no now with some next shit. Now is next but i mean you know out to you know. When am i going to get my respect. Though you know yacht quick quick to call me a fan boy whenever i point thing gag greatness and then then i continued to prophesized on this show prophesized prophesy prophesized the p._b._c. You prophesized got talking about a mangled p._v._c. Go listening to whole now. I of course you know sending before the infrastructure but you said that the b._b._c. should say fuck going on here nine. We say that okay but i definitely said once the world's start getting mad and starts on my he bringing them muhammad ali i was i was pro hemant okay. I've seen that with the lawsuit there bob air mma but against all they all had to run to the cops they all pussy they all pussy. They all wanted to get him to settle. You know what i'm saying. Now they all follow suit. You can find audio byrom saying that it'll never work on network t._v. A little dick you know what i'm saying they all and and the beauty of it was bob got fucked by com. What's that h._b._o. Guy petersburg tehran to bite and nelson nothing so he was once they get what they should fell in love with triple g year he was in love with triple g thought triple. Ji was the business until treated all and failed as pay per views. They had money career. I don't even know where we started. This conversation was like publicized. P._b._c. would would take place papa size and shit and what i told you that even you are overlooking and you ain't acknowledging and respecting my greatness. Okay you know the skill that i've i've been given probably passed down from generations. Let's build up nicely built up you know but i said cannella will get mad. I said canola were hired. A lawyer i say and the love zone not work cut me off when when of mother fucking plane he loved comey auburn that pain is coming bre listen it don't matter if i said the zone own it don't matter if i say golden boy would you think is going to happen. I told you unfair. Treatment will be his reason getting out the contract. It don't matter if he talked design or golden boy i my main wants out dot com on that ain't even i'm sued the best show by nothing my name bennett i in it. Call me prophesized nests. That's all i know you you. You were on a boat but worth it if what's up man <hes>. I don't know a one thing that i am at about is that we don't have a press companies. We have been at a press conference. I don't wanna wait too price. Weakness found is going to be in that mode and not the the as loquacious or or voice at they made it being <hes> in the months prior ios e. I noticed that soubra. He's a champ at that but you know what i needed that because too many of my co host was off and if i cut the mall then they get mad and never come back. Mike is true true. He says i love how mike will cut ness off but won't allow nasa cut him off. He stay keep talking like he don't hear me. He no he hear me say with a straight straight face more better than cure man you go it works. It works honestly. It really does work. Let you all the time and you got your back. We're going out to ask them on big. Supermax texas stand up good morning that after the four horsemen johnson a four yard pillow you sound sound muffled writing on sticking demand for horse sticky what <hes> what about now all good all right <hes> <hes> and is your coppola fight is is definitely a yeah definitely interesting. 'cause i kinda wanna favor yard man but it seems like it's the year old guy. You know. You got past guy winning. You got pack out winning. You know these duffy ghost yes so to win and you got an extra gives getting a stoppage in his last board awards. You know it might be the year old guy so i think right now. It's impossible to fight man so we're gonna have to see what happens but i kinda wanna. Favorite kovalev live man just because he seemed to be resilient. It may be a little soon for yar <hes> but i guess we have to wait a whole lot of yards but <hes> it's intriguing to say the least man but that's all all right. Let's go john pascal auto guys wanted. Man pack you out to let me go to bouma. Ranga in texas shots all our truck drivers out. There man be on evro safe n._o. J. d. supermax holy down be good food or is this a train. Suck job right kind of cheap but whatever the love to terms but i know yeah yeah. Let's let's say people <hes> <hes> yeah i. I just got working on my shit for like two hours to man. I'm just now ready to roll <hes> but real quick mike light. <hes> don't get mad any right now. Don't get mad at me right now. Because <hes> i i lost. I lost two major fights busy. I lost that daniel takers and i lost the tournament fight. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah lawsuit fishy to but i ain't tripping on that. I'm going to get that back early next year early next year but cool <hes> yellowed anthony york right so it is man anthony. Oh i'm tame lions in the camp. I don't know roy is a good thing for you might put the black magic. I'll know my he did jacob phone but jacob with more of his art here yeah whatever man but a i'm lying in the camp <hes> bucket all the way i'm going gone. I'm going to stop his two man listen. I think this is to count. I mean lanzoni only yeah yeah. No believe a man. I'm country contradict. The fuck outta myself gone up. Oh he just ben gill you just took yourself out of the obama. Bring you on in case. You here comes uh-huh again lunch. 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Get out there hit that high note and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year sorry pitchy progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates price and coverage match limited by state law. No oh did you did that. What mastermind you wanna talk busy at work cash right. You're in. I might not good morning komo tv universe. <hes> just wanted a second oakland things listening to the show yesterday looking at all those a._j. Videos i can see <hes> you know what you're talking about but sometimes you know there's <hes> <hes> i'm not so sure that comes along with taking a beating like that. It was a pretty darn it. You know. Ambien didn't really give <hes> eighteen much much play beside the point yesterday topics talking about today. You know i'm a big fan. <hes> i'm gonna ride with him on this one you can do is he's a little bit older. All goes is not the year of it. It's not good for me so you know some but not for me and <hes> other than that wanted to say that <hes> looking for everybody coming through on a couple of weeks so you know anybody needs need to speak to me reach out and <hes> much it and you want to take a few minutes now that i have to take with the family god years my picks it out. Y'all did you create like some sort of <hes> airbnb co like is there a short link a small so i don listening to the show don't know gail don't know how to contact gail so like is there a way to new title. It like <hes> you know. I don't know i guess i know you can't you can't title don't do that. 'cause then and you screw your keyword for anyone searching not in the boxing community airbnb in new york all right in every if you wanna go to madison square garden for fight his b._n._b. Is available. If you wanna go to brooklyn barclay center for fight that b._n._b. Is available but not only for fights but i'm just saying it's ideal for people that are fight fans because you're right in the local vicinity but yeah you gotta get us a short coat or some way to like like being able to direct people. There were linked now know whether you're gonna that often comes all three cradle websites whatever weeks and one of the week the the the i'm include a link is pretty simple but don't worry about that or like everybody your so yeah i've been on the up and down this week with on the week and my that <hes> would grow to like get in touch with me. I'm going to drop the more information in the <hes> lucky guys. I'm going to get back to work the happen. It's money frightful dummy. Everybody everybody take highland going out to ooh smart money. Money chat do mar her nassau my another day another podcast two three okay the cobra. You bet i mean we we we we just celebrating in the you know the succession of the vodka testing okay well. I'm telling you the good balance one going to win. This just one one through six one seven through twelve. I say seven three to twelve small. Money's on thank you ought to win but it's not money's on seven to twelve off those punish in shots. Your body's going goes down what you're going to the top and the man covina together i mean got within corden last week though yeah and to your good it'd be the new things that you start. It's what's out for him. Egland okay the new baby trust me. I just hope man <hes> frank warren. Can they promote them right improperly guys well. We all taught me we all know citizens greener on the other side with where frank with a eddie we seem limbs netflix sniffly franken go to eddie and there's rumors a billy joe saunders leaving franken going eddie and we seen what empty keg global fear fear. Don't you fight in england. No more hewing fight underplay warned cars though yeah well you know bijal sorta potential. You're cutting cutting. He one of those weird guys the weird shit the people you know what i'm saying. I don't understand right right from the city. He may have people doing why you stopped. People were headed guy. Get negative car and had this lady to go punch another lady. I don't look nobre <hes>. We got no money money on top of money up acquai- boy h. Money was gone on. You sound like you want them. Saudi would that the trunk agr over. He sound jamaican muff hugged. Jimmy can still english jamaica no listen. What's that what's up next. What's up good. You picked up. I missing if you had a prediction yeah. I know smart money to set about. Who who would you put your money on. If you have the last one hundred dollars cohen yard fuck you uh-huh yeah. We'll buy vialli's annette man. I'm splitting fifty-fifty yeah no money now 'cause the the odds on yard or one seventy five right now so so i'll make my money back. You got to be smart money like your boys listen. <hes> it's a tough one. Go away to russia but i don't know if you see the interview on boxing social but i've never seen someone so compose is going into a fire the biggest fight of their life in government backyard. You know you have fight. Is that said yeah. I'm gonna do it you can see is they. Don't really believe it. He he sincerely believes it and his confidence is different level box to box german speaking to joshua brazzi and he told told me listen scott agrees with judo man but you know what that comes from all the years is of thandi telling them he great he believed the height so all you need is to self belief if you were saying this anthony yard documentary came about two years ago maybe two and a half it was a on b._t. Sport the guy just liked fight every tom he talked about his childhood or high school or middle school. It was always like we got beef over at school or so and so we can handle it so it's not like he's opposed to file a. He really really likes to just fight in the innocence. It was pretty good at it noticing on the street so i don't i don't see him. Being you know what's the word i'm looking for. I don't see him being the spotlight being too much for or being too big for him. I just thank man he's ready for and like i said man when you've got a guy as cool as a as wive and just as motivating as has tuned eight years in your corner looking making him make you believe you can run through a wall and he'll make you believe you can jump building. He'll definitely make you believe leave that you can go to russia in beta guy kobe. I mean we all know kovalev with not the the model citizen outside in the rain saying you had the handsome as that we learned about in the ward of <hes> a prefight known san things that <hes> perjure hunter owner said <hes> that that could've came to light so i mean i'm just happy for. I'm ready for the flight. I'm kinda never spotify too but a day i mean i'm i'm arriving about. The homie man been driving with him since high simone dante's box nation about three years ago you go down in texas when he was on the nello liam sniff card so big ups to <hes> apnea. I just wanted to atomic data. She's gonna come on. It's gonna be a racist over three hours ahead or behind them so it might come on like between two with amd them no russia behind you or or or or in front of the hour when it comes to time that'd be easy to tell us all right. <hes> mastermind supermax my work right well on that note knows g._t._o. Instagram twitter shot out the yard and sunday being able to successfully give some body tested and actually have it done hold on a minute my bad h money talk to use oh nestle smart money money just called in stay in the u._k. Right now they doing big things you feel me. Shut us team. They told me about anthony art all right. I'm just going to be real. They say anthony yaar. He's the best thing in the u._k. Right now so i just gotta let you notice. I mean everybody to speak on them. Highly <unk> highly undefeated athleticism power. He has the look he has what it takes to take it to the next level and sergei kovalev one one of the best light heavyweights of all time he was ranked pound for pound number one until you gotta be by andrei and most people feel like beat andre award the first fight. You're not i mean. Everybody says he even throw it. May whether sad that sergei kovalev won that fight so we're anthony are not about coldness mess down. There should make any are the best light heavyweight in the world. Am i wanna roll. I'll know about the best burger because is he. He beat him in a mob oi. John pascal pascale got knocked out by copeland okay f._d._r. With new york comes through and knocks out the same guy that knocked out paseo so that should make him bitterness and he's undefeated yogurt biggest fan base okay eh billy joe saunders. They say he's coming to dissolve. I just got out here. 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That's should be colin. I don't know i forgot back. Quick sorry boxing therapy but yard has been touched by lesser competition what's going to happen when kovolev touches. I don't dow yard but he ain't in no cabdriver he fight in the corocha very very true mike any rebuttal to that superjet probably direct you the believer of all believers now all right. It's all about when once you get to that stage once you get to the plateau on how you before if you jason how about how how you take going down if he can cope with question the chain or yard question that body sandwich everyone played out. It's a good fight though i can totally you see coppola of maybe being too much. You're just being on a different level. I can also see yard. Just take no man out for for <hes> well. We'll find out. I mean they're gonna wish they probably took a connecticut good sixteen in the wake up for this one. We'll be doing allow fight chat. We'll figure out and let you guys know p._t._o. 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Episode 1053 - Danny Huston

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

1:14:30 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 1053 - Danny Huston

"Hey folks if you're wondering when you can come see me. I'LL BE AT J. NFL forty two in Toronto on Thursday September nineteenth at the Sony Centre for the Performing Arts. That's next week then I'm at the Vic Theater in Chicago on September twentieth and then I'm at the Masonic Temple in Detroit on Saturday September number twenty first and I'll be at the Pantaleon theater in Minneapolis on Sunday September twenty second you can find all of my tour dates. WTI POD DOT dot com slash tour that includes my new dynasty typewriter dates here in Los Angeles on October fifth and six before I had to Philadelphia Washington in DC and Boston October tenth eleventh and Twelfth then onward to there's Nashville San Francisco and Atlantic coming up all the dates everything you need to know W. T. F. pod dot com slash tour okay all right. Let's do the show proper through the show. Oh properly. Let's properly do it. Proper propped prop propecia that this stuff for your hair yeah all right. Let's do this. How are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the Fuck Knicks what's happening. I'm mark mayor and this is my podcast W T.F. How's it going. Are you okay yeah. I know it's bad yeah yeah. I know I know I know. It's going to get worse. I get it I get it. I get it the storms the heat the water rising things dying I get it. It's all gone it. There's no stopping it now. How's it going good morning. Welcome to the show will adapt right. Hey look you know and I don't want to be a Dick about it but I've never been unhappier not to have children. How data song is that character in a musical. I've never been happy. You're not to have children a a never been happy. You're not to have children. I I don't know man I apologize. Good luck with what you're doing. I hope everything's Ok today on the show. Danny Houston the actor Danny Huston Angelic is brother right Danny Danny Huston John Huston son so Danny's here he will be here in a minute. You can hear him talk to me about. He's got this new film out that it's heavy but it's beautiful. It's a film called the last photograph and we talked about that and about other things about being a Houston. How about some dates eight. You want some updates on things I can fucking do that. I not a problem I guess I am now at fourteen fifteen sixteen in seventeen eighteen eighteen days off nicotine and I think it's all mental now obviously but it's powerful. The mental thing is power. If there's just these moments where their moments it happen where my brain just sort of like should we do. Should we be doing something right now. Shouldn't you can we shouldn't you be doing one now. Shouldn't what's going on now this. We've got a free Sechin here. It's time to to to get a feeling we gotTA. Freeze got an open second. Let's fill it with something or take it down a notch or jacket up. Where's the where's. Where's the substance? Where's the stuff in that free second so that happens occasionally and I'm just trying not to feed all those free seconds with food been doing a lot a cooking here at the house. I find that very comforting very gives me a certain. It's a meditative quality. It's creative. It's engaged and I get to eveything's at the end of it. Nothing like cooking for three hours in eating whatever you made in seven minutes but I've been doing a lot of food prep around the house you. I'm trying out new things right now. I'm kind of festering about marinade for some chicken thighs. What's going to happen with the chicken thighs in the fridge. Look I know I know things are not great. I don't know how they get better. I'm sorry but I do know that by the end of the day I will figure out a marinade for my chicken thighs. That doesn't have too much sugar in it that I know is going to happen so little things folks also thank you for all the Mail L. E. Mail clearing up got some email about the Seattle shows that there was a massive thunder lightning storm. I knew that I think I might have told you about that with the lights going on and off in the ghost but then someone sent me an email saying that there there's there's some indication that perhaps the more theater is built built over a graveyard of settlers that had been moved so there could be a poltergeist situation over there then somebody sent me an email about all the people who sweat on that stage and the spirits there in including William burroughs Chris Cornell Kurt cobain cats. That's why that place has been around a long time some of these vessels some of these structures have a bit of a bit of a spiritual ritual residue that they collect kind of like a giant organ box except they're not holding organ energy. They're holding just yes the psychic shrapnel of the creativity that happened in the structure now either you buy into that. Shit you don't some days I do some days. 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WT NOT F- than simply fill out a questionnaire to help them assess your needs and get matched with accounts where you'll love. That's better health dot com slash W. T.F. Yes so I'm okay man and everything settling down my my dopamine receptors all the things the synapses are leveling out there leveling off into what's really me and physically I'm back in my body with no way out except for the V way out which I'll just wait for no rush on that one so that's okay as far as therapy goes the EM DR sessions nations are interesting and I believe they are working I do. I believe that the EMT are there's we hold the buzzers start target some trauma hang with Dat Buzz Buzz Buzz then where we at now dish that out buzz buzz buzz where we at now that arc of of process through the the sort of re reintegrating of the trauma whatever dissipating it what the MDR is having an effect. I think it's okay okay. I think I'm GONNA be alright. Cats cats are all right. Maybe somebody can give me some insight. my my older cats are are shrinking. They're getting very skinny. Monkeys very skinny. He's getting very fragile. He's fifteen years old. Is there something I should should be doing. They're eating a lot. Everybody's running around. Everybody's having a good time but he apparently they have a hard time as they get older absorbing protein they're on very high. I protein diet and they're eating it but he seems to be just diminishing before my eyes though he's got a lot of personality still and he's running around energy. Everything's fine. He's just very he's skinny. Does anybody know is in. Don't you don't speculate here. I need some real vice. I could Google it. I did I could I guess I call the vet but I don't know is there. Is there a way to fatten him up. I think I'm Kinda. Blessed skinny cats. That's that's who I am. I can project my body. Just morpheus on two cats like I'm very happy that all my cats are lean and has something to do with what I feed them. Buster is is is a large cat. He's not fat but these younger one but I just don't know if I'm doing the right thing. Maybe I should ask you. You know maybe I should just do what everyone else does and do the proper research. I really just been here at home. You know trying to enjoy my life on a few days. He's down for some reason started watching breaking bad. I watched most of Bill burs new special last night at Royal Albert Right Hall and I'm starting to realize even after watching bursts specialists I. I am definitely not as fucking angry as I used to be for. No reason like the general flow. Woah rage is different for me. I don't know if it's early onset dementia or or I'm generally working through things. Maybe it's Em Dr. I don't know but I'm just I I do. I do get angry and I do get anxious and I do get a full of a certain amount of dread but I'm not about to pop any more. I don't know why that happened or whether. I'm going to assume it's good. I don't know what to tell you in terms of how it happened but it happened. Oh yeah before I forget all you fish vans. Betty is not giving me a fish playlist the idea sometimes people say things on this this show and they don't manifest. I on the other hand have to figure out how to use spotify. That's my project for the week. As has the temperatures rise and the water rises and species drop dead around us. We're I think we're kind of lower on that list list but we're definitely on that list. I'm going to figure out how to make a spotify playlist now. I'm going to try to integrate my instagram and my spotify as the world burns rights are denied people are caged hate blossoms. I'm going to be diligently trying to put together a spotify playlist right. That's doing something right fucking fuck. 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So when I'm going on stage I will swigs down that Diet Pepsi backstage and just like boom and I'm in it gives me a will gives me all jack and that's something to celebrate right sure so for whatever celebration you WanNa have whatever moment you want to share with family and friends have some Pepsi on hand. Pepsi the official sponsor of the NFL reminds you to always be celebrating. Yeah get it where you can man right chicken marinade. They can limes. I've got a lime tree out back and thinking lines can start with limes so here. Why did we cover today. Cats are okay. Everybody's good old. Cats are a little lean gene. I'm well into nicotine fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen days. I'm doing okay leveling off. AMD are working pretty well. I do not know what to marinate my chicken. Thighs in world is ending Betty. Gilpin did not give me a fish playlist the ghosts at the Seattle more more theater are probably there but I think I summoned lightning. It wasn't just goes. I summoned lightning I'd like to I'll make it about me. I'd I'd like to think I have that much power some of this stuff doing we'll. We'll dicey little button pushing. I've gotten some emails about my final bit. Some concerned fan emails are sort of like we were laughing through it but it felt wrong. A you know what I mean. Come on digits words. Hey little a little less angry working on it working on stuff so Danny Huston is here. Danny estimate a nice movie. He's been in a lot of movies also on succession the season that show I love that show by the way Oh yeah N- started breaking bad again okay up to speed everyone's here this movie. The last photograph is touching dark move. It's not I don't know if it's dark. It's just heavy emotionally but it's poetic. It's one of those movies that grownups like me enjoy seeing it's exactly we the it is a beautiful deep moving sad independent film but that movie the last photograph if is is now in theaters and on demand and this is me talking to these star and director of that movie. Danny Houston UH Mayes Rickety old house in the Hollywood hills that certainly has a life of its own. She'd been there a long time. Yeah probably about fifteen years yeah. That's a whole different life up there. It seems I mean that's the life that people think of when they think of Hollywood I'm literally under the Hollywood sign. I can't see it but if you're looking at me I can extend my arms wide the opening hold him and hold the back of by chance it can so if somebody's looking at you in front of your house exact I get it well. That's nice so fifteen years. Where were you before that New York. No I was a near Laurel Canyon near Wonderland. Oh Yeah Wonderland Wonderland the street the horrible Yeah Slaughter Street hip. It's weird. That's the point of reference and sort of like I'm I'm up by the White House. You didn't mention the charming a school that's how he was known for. Did you watch yes you do see once upon a time in Hollywood. I loved it. He did right God. I loved him because you grew up in some of that right. I mean I in a way in a way I really I I grew up in Ireland and Lucky lucky pass cheers and and Italy and then I went to school in England so I I came to Hollywood late my father you know he lived in in Ireland and then later in Mexico but yeah but la was always sort of stopping point the Mexico period. It's so weird that the generation of of Your Dad's those guys they just went to Mexico. I don't you know Peckinpah. GonNa go do they. Had this romantic I am sorry that's what I always associate the family the Houston family with this kind of strange adventuring thing international well. I mean I gr- growing up. I wasn't well. I guess I was clear clear that he was that he was director but he'd come from far away countries bearing gifts and it was like a pirate coming to visit the house and with Tall Tales and yeah swatch buckling kind of Guy and Ireland he he left a sadly after about four or five marriages. I guess we'd where do you fall in house it like because I had your half sister. She's your half sister right Anjelica here. Yeah your mother was which wife my mother was sh. She wasn't a white how a up my mother was inbetween wife number four and five or either between five and six and and but you had a relationship with everybody. Oh yes I know my father and my mother were tremendous together and and ver- very close but yes there was there was a lot going on always but now white things have settled down but like when you started like where'd you grow like you were in. Italy like like right in Rome. I grew up in Rome because my father I was making a film based on a rather well known book called the Bible Though Yeah right and and it was it was a long pre production shen and post production the whole thing took about three or four years and so I I happen to be born there i. I like to say that I was conceived. If we're using his films as a measuring stick I was conceived during Freud born during the Bible and t- On night of the Iguana and so I I spent some time on on on the set of the Bible and I I remember watching the first cut and you know once fathers I is is God probably for forever his his son and daughter but in this particular case the film starts and here in the beginning my father during the voice over for God and then the next thing I knew he was noah animals following them into into into New York right and this this was just fantastic for me and then and then my mother was also in it plays Hagar and she's in in the desert he said Noah Abraham Abraham and and she's in the desert a dying dying of thirst and suddenly this kid appears who's our son and he's not me right at that point. I got very confused and I've had that problem really all my life trying to differentiate fiction mm from reality. It's hard right. It is like I interviewed. There's a guy who's the guy that wrote the big book on your family. Larry Global grow. I interviewed him a while back he he he's the big interview guy and I remember I set out to interview the interviewer and it went on a a long time and I'm not sure what I was looking for. I know that I had like he came back again. To what was your did you like that book yes. Yes I think we we we. We all liked it. At times. Dove the possibly a little too deeply into with interviews with others I felt but my favorite book biography was a book called an Open Book uh-huh that my father wrote and so wonderful collection of stories about the family or short stories. It's a collection of stories from his his life and they're just there's just marvelous and and we used to kid around saying it's anything but an open book. It doesn't reveal the sort of things that Larry rebel grow well yeah I I I didn't I didn't dent it. was you know it's a big book and I will eventually get it. You know it's it's great from from from you know you learn a lot about Walter. Huston grandfather's grandfather I remember him from the the devil and Daniel Webster Daniel Webster that's right and and you know he was born in Toronto and his struggles and it's it's. It's it's an interesting book from sort of from my point of view piece of family history sure well yeah. I'd say it sort of fills in the gaps I would imagine for you. If someone else's doing the research I did that. I did that show finding your roots. You know it's a genetic thing and then they do the research on it and and it was it was interesting but you had a guy thorough research and talk to everybody involved in incorporated into the history of show business. That's a nice thing to have yeah as a point reference. It is even if he did dig up some bad shoot. Sometimes you got bad shit there. Yeah it's better than than now it. CR- create creates a dramatic read so white. When did you realize it. Show business was the thing I I felt somewhat assumed you know we just mentioned Walter my Father Angelica. Yeah my cool cool sister and jellicoe yeah and how much older she about ten years okay so she was in. It and you're like whoa she was. I mean as a kid you know she was. She's still is incredibly cool. Oh but she she she was friends with like the rolling stone and Jack Nicholson and so this was incredibly the exciting here but yeah my nephew Jack Houston. It's kind of like the family business so I mean I resisted for a while. I I like to paint and and I sometimes saw my father struggle with the whole circus act the ass surround filmmaking right and and and the money involved and it I could see that it it caused them trouble from time to time even though he knew how to play the game yes so beautifully I mean he was just a poker player really yeah yeah he bluffing just just like in what situations where was the what was the education was. I'll I'll give you an example. I remember when he was making his honor with with Angelica and Jack. Actually he a guy from ABC ABC came up and said Mr Houston's and crab why you're using such a low amount of of of footage a film you're saving so so much in in in the budget by doing so and he said thank you very much. It's very kind of you and then and then when the gentlemen left left after the room follows idiot you know he doesn't understand that the can't cut it any other way. Aso's control he he'd be cutting in the cameras so that so that so they didn't have any where to go any option yeah. That's that's. That's the kind of thing you know that sort of trickery and when you were coming up like so you started as a painter college I went to art school. I went to film school and and you're in in London Yum and then and then I had this moment when he was making a film called under the volcano. Oh Yeah Albert Albert Albert Finney based on Malcolm Lowry and he he was struggling with the title sequence. I I used to make him a a cocktail drinks depending what country he was in it would be a different rank. in Mexico it was cool libra a Roman coke and and I brought him a coke and he it upset him he said No. No no no the coke should only color the run the back of Puerto and we watched we watched Russia's around the volcano for under the volcano and and he was struggling with this with this title title sequence opposed to it was paper Mash as dolls but they didn't move so as long shots were very static right for the so he turned turnaround to me and said Danny any you've been to film school and stuff right directly to title sequence and and it was it was almost a moment of horror for me right but he handed over Gabrielle Figueroa was wonderful cinematography yeah and I shot I shopped the sequence using a camera that moved around the dolls to try to create some movement and he was delighted and that was my first. I that was it. That was like hooked. You like just be well. I mean policing. Your Dad's obviously great thing he he he dumped this thing on you like you hidden. You couldn't say no and showed up and you. You nailed it. I I like. I like to think I did but I did. I did come out of film school here so it was it was kind of my my secret. I'm bishen yet. You just didn't know how it was. GonNa unfold where the confidence was gonna come from yeah and then and then he he produced the how long before they you did The you know the first feature the first feature I did with with with him was based the Thornton Wilder and you directed that right directed that call Mr no right and I had a wonderful cast big cast. I remember Anthony Anthony Edwards Yeah Yeah and again my my father. I mean we were like two Hustler's. Yeah I remember presenting presenting the script to to Lauren Bacall and there was a long flight of stairs. Did you write the script No heeded your dad yeah. He didn't Janet Roach. Who's was actually also wrote. The prince's on with him was that was he intending was one of the things that he was intending to direct or how did that like no I gave it I gave gave him the idea instead all right. I'm going to write this and you're going to direct US right interesting and so yeah so so we we we got this great cast together and and Yeah Lauren Lauren Bacall I was literally standing on top of a flight of steps outside the Westwood Marquee. He and I carried his oxygen tank up the steps the emphysema up two steps towards Lauren Bacall yeah and I turned around and winked at me no way she's going to refuse this uh-huh and sadly while we were making the film and he he called me he was meant to act in it yeah and he called me Danny. If I were to fall ill is is it a cafe Robert Mitchum to stand by just in case wall okay. I'm sure you're going to be fine but but yeah sure of course and then he did become ill and checked into the hospital in Newport Rhode Island and why you were shooting while we're shooting and and Robert Mitchum arrived came to the to the hospital. They spoke and Mitchum said. I'm sorry about the about the circumstances but I'm I'm I'm here yeah and when Mitchum left the Rome my father lowered his oxygen tank looked at me and said biggest hoax I ever pulled you know he he considered Mitchum one of the greatest actors and couldn't believe that that Betty got him but this was also a show of bravado and and and show a show of support and he was such a gentle man in that regard. Did he get well or was that he got weld for short time and so like what sort of fascinates me about Not You know the choice in like something like even like Mr North and then again with the new movie which I watched the last photograph it you know and even some of the movies your father made that were is that these stories are very few are very specific. They're they're not mainstream stories. He's necessarily their stories like I have this big rant going on you know actively in public about the limitations of you know mainstream cinema because of the the bullying element of you know comic book movies and you know what independent film means work and go and I just I I realized that some of this stuff like your dad and even like I think Mr North Okay right because you know you had good actors absolutely but then as you move forward like watching the last photograph Raff powerful movie very moving you know it's beautiful look at it. It's it's challenging a lot of ways but it's not like a story. Sorry that you just don't these type of movies are. They're hard to to see any more like in movie theaters. It's not true it's true but I mean I thought it was an amazing movie and and I'm glad I watched it before you came but like even with something like Mr North e you know and then something like this this this this thing the the last photograph which he wrote and directed and acted. How do you like you know. How do you decide to commit to that story. The in you know what I mean. It's sort of like it. It always baffles me. When I talked to directors were were they have this thing and it's sort of like because it's going to take years and you got to walk in. I mean obviously you're are acting and doing other things. But what was it that that sort of what was it about that story. Let's talk about the West though as sort of grab the newest movie yeah MM-HMM I. I know exactly what you're saying the way it's. It's you know he again. My father was just spectacular the way he'd be able to make a wise blood and fat city to fats Eddie and under the volcano but in between those three three right he got an anti so he really knew how to play giving want to them and and right right and keeping a couple for himself in keeping himself interested in new material yeah figure out new ways to make films and that the last movie what the dead yes spectacular but but also able to throw out you know. Anne escaped victory the Dino diller enters the Bible. He was also able so he he was he was really able to play that right right and so with the last photograph. It wasn't idea yeah that a friend of Mine Simon Astaire gave me as as a as a gift really is yeah beautifully written screenplay and and with that what was his screenplay semester yeah and and and and I I saw it as an opportunity not to to play get back in the saddle yeah and and play with different mediums not necessarily for stylistic L. Listrik reasons but for reasons of necessity and so I I used cannon still camera to shoot shoot London and Drink Christmas I then used with film no digital's digital sixteen millimeter for the scenes with the kids in the park. I use probably about six or different types of equipment are was that on film the six hours yeah now of course the technology is so advanced that you can make anything look like anything but I liked the idea of of actually holding the equipment that was that was older and it forcing me to see things possibly slightly differently and your character has that yet element to him too. He's stuck in the past a bit that's right in grief but also it seems in his shop as well yeah exactly and and and the different and the different formats also also allowed me just to not have things like place cards or dates for them and hopefully emotionally the film is at times possibly little languid. I could keep the emotion stretched emotion without giving you more information on the effective because you know there's a good chunk of the movie where you don't really we know what happened exactly. There's there's pieces given to you kind of but it's really it's really about the poetry of grief right right and the maintaining of of of that in moving through it yeah and and the sky bookshop he's equipment marginally usually come may probably unpleasant kind of guy and this photograph is stolen and and he he spirals he he goes into complete panic and and then while he's searching for this photograph yeah You the film becomes comes to sort of a tapestry a collage of memory the that lead one to sort of fateful night which December over twenty seconds nine hundred eight when Flight Panam WanNa won a exploded over Lockerbie right. Yeah and it's like it's still thing it's sort of like like there there. I just had a conversation with somebody else about human beings and about how we avoid the realities of death e you know we do you in terms of that conversation was about how old people don't l. Elderly people own dine in homes anymore. They everything everything's geared towards. You know not paying attention now. So when you see you know a man this character he played kind of like not being able to let go and having death hoisted upon him you know in such dramatic and public and shocking way it it was it was surprising for me. It was just it was very sort of emotionally satisfying and it sadness because you really play it all the way through. I me not acting that I mean that must have been somewhat difficult. Was it for you yes and also directed at the same time. That was a little schizophrenic. Yeah the yeah you you're talking about the the more mass shootings that we see me you see on on on the news channels these photographs that come up and each one representing accenting individual story right and that's what I found interesting about the concept that sign minister brought to me and you from a directing point of view. I knew that me Danny would be available as as an actor right and I could shoot shoot the easy cash could suit at different moments for different times so I could shoot London in in the winter in London in the summer and I could. I knew that I had that I had me a so. That's one of the reasons I cast myself right. The probably primary reason I can't in your scheduling on the phones I hey man can you I didn't have to do that. I was and and but it was it's he's a hard character to to take home because the state date of he's kind of like a post trust the atmosphere and the the the grieving just as such that you that the it's it's hard to shed and one's bombarded with new photographs all the time right so but it just became something that I was. I was very aware of and now that I talk about it. It's something that's I can conjure back. we've we've all we've all we've all lost friends and family and Cetera we all have we all have that last photograph and so it's it's it's it's a hard thing to continue performed performing right but from a directing point of view it was exhilarating could use these different formats. I could dance around. I could shoot stuff in London. Go drive up to Scotland's shooting Scotland and it has an insane scene where he's just in charge but I could play play. I can look at from a direct from a from directing point of view right and I was ca- it's a little bit of experiment. The film also I was interested then in creating a situation emotional thread that could lead me into live news footage without having to superimpose superimpose my character into the rising but actually create create a situation where we didn't feel will that we were cutting away right who news report but I mean when that guy came out and made the announcement yes. I worked really good. Yeah the nurses arriving the ambulances. Yes yeah that's all real footage. You know it's great because I can even look like the same room that you were example most yeah yeah that's by design. Oh yeah yeah no that was great. Yeah I I in also and the sort of relationship with their line in there that the actress Ceuta Chowdhury Yeah Yeah who I hadn't seen in a while and made this a couple of years old yes right yes. He's took awhile took align its way it did but that line where where she says. I believe it was her where where she says you know he was in love and he wanted more yeah. You know it's really kind of like there's something about the the poetry of the script. That's pretty you you know kind of like at every juncture. You know you sort of feel it sort of her outreach to your character to frame. This is something that you know. Wasn't your our fault number one and number two you know. There's no way to explain it. There's no one to blame after a certain point. How do you let that go because he's he's guilt ridden because he he bought the ticket yeah. CETERA and then the dynamic with the girl with the girlfriend whose only you know who only knew him for three weeks very profound as well because that she's GonNa Carry. Sorry that weight on a different level. Yes yes I know and I don't know whether I have discussed this with with with the writer Simon. I'm an a couple of times but when she returns back in the story after years of past the your sure I'm not sure whether whether he's imagining that or yeah well. That's one of those things where it's actually in a joke. I'm doing on stage you know because I'm a comic where I talk about about the difference between you know these big huge marvel movies but like they're pushing us all to we have to Dr twenty-five thirty miles to you know to see grownup movies in a in a in a theater situation where we can all have the experience together and walk out confused by the ending as one group of people and that's you know what happened to those days did. He died while she what happened. I don't know what happened. Why didn't they tell us. I think the director wants us to have this conversation. It was so one of those movies for me where no poetic attic ending but there but also that was it like you know I it's it's to create some did he. Did you not imagine what is it real wasn't yes and and does he. Is he looking. I I hate the word closure but is he looking for some sort of peace within himself by imagining her and releasing her back to the love affair that she was having with his son. Yes yeah yeah in. Does he 'cause. They're you know that shot of you at the end does not comforting. No the film is not a company film. It is not a Friday night popcorn movie. It is absolutely antithesis so that I'm really trying to like for myself. I assess this kind of stuff and and put it into because you know I'm like I think I'm about your age. I'm fifty fifty six. You know when you start to think about like what am I taking in. Why am I taking it in. What is important. What is art? What is an art you know what and when I when I saw how that your movie started. I was like all right well. This is what we're GONNA do here. This is young and this is something I'm going to have to sit with and I'm going to have to allow and I don't eat them because in terms of the narrative the story. It's really a a a poetry movie because you know the the story. Obviously you don't really think you're gonNA find the photograph and then I it's just a it's a series of revelations that AH deepen the characters you know grief yeah for the viewer but I I really thought that through that and the way that you shot it you know the way that you shot their romance the kids romance and and your relationship with with that with the woman who walked works across from you and even your old friend these become very he loaded and the there is sort of small bits of relief and bits of connection that we all can have around the emotional processes guys going through and that that that is what it should be. You know that is what the feelings should be. It doesn't have to be about like well. How's The story in there. You know it's that is the poetry of film. If if you let it happen yeah and it's it's the reflective nature of it. I believe film. Oh yes yeah the I mean we thought we were talking earlier about about my father in Ireland and he'd get the the projector out in those big the Pov about about the film ripping or not and then we'd project these films on the wall and my grandfather who I never met wasn't treasure of the Sierra Madre and he was is he was a gold perspective or any and that's who I thought he was. I thought my father was no so film kind of lies and and but also tells truths at the same time and what I thought was interesting was was this drive to the airport driving my son to the airport and it's it's a really quite a banal conversation. We're not saying anything that carries any great. That's where it starts the movie yeah in a way it's it's the spine of the film but then as we are informed as the audience is informed. we see this conversation a different way and and and I I find that I find it interesting. How how we find more symbolism or we are more concentrated or intrigued by a conversation when we are informed what will happen how many features view directly of three third one yeah? I started with with a with a small one hour film fresh. OUTTA film school after I drink to the title sequence called Mr Corbett's ghost and my father was in it and get it online I probably and he plays a collector actor of souls of typecasting yeah and and I have Paul Scofield in it and and and had Burgess Meredith and one and then I moved on to to Mr North where warmer call Robert Mitchum Harridan Stanton David Warner Mary Stuart masterson Virginia Madsen a great great cast and then I made a film called maddening with Burt Reynolds and Angie Dickinson and then I made another film called becoming Klett about clefts with classmate awesome brand our and at that point I lost my I lost my father who was by my friend my my collaborate you and and and then I found myself in rather season Louis state in Los Angeles Emmanuel on my own man and without years we're going by I was I was a lots of meetings phone calls and trying to get stuff going but you were acting. No I wasn't I was I I was in a in a complete funky sort of flat lining and and I couldn't I couldn't get anything off the ground and and a waiting for this is like attornal green light so the plan was directing plows to read write and then fellow directors friends right because the kyw their kindness Ryan Healy started casting means small parts right and then the parts got bigger and suddenly I realized wow I should take this isometric Tuxedos. I mean my my my the reason I said yes was because I was interested because most of my most of my film experience I was on my father's film sets so I I was I was interested in experiencing how other people worked and I work with Mike Figgis and with Bernard rose who were more experimental in their approach and kind of which one time code. Oh yeah that's our quadrant ran and we were writing the script and music sheet that was yeah and you did do but you knew figures he puts you in leaving. Las Vegas. I guess I was number number two and that was the first like that was that was a he was thrown. You'll lifelines yes. He's like Danny's in trouble. Yeah we gotta that is somebody forgot throwing. You can't keep him keep his health insurance and then you know and then Bernard Rosen is an eye he just I worked with them on a on a on on version of Anna Karenina and and he and he said he was having trouble with a ah cut on the film and and we were both in a in a in a very depressed state moaning groaning about the film business right and his girlfriend at the time said you guys are really boring why you just go out and make a film yeah. We're like no you don't understand is far more complicated. Take that you can't just go out and make a film. She's like why have and she was a documentary film here and so we tried this new camera this Sony digital camera that Sony lintas correct no earlier and they and they they used as a testing a trial yeah and we shot chop this film in our backyard basically and it's called Ivan sexy based on their death of even illitch here and and it was a bit of a sort of poison letter to Hollywood it but basically we we stayed true tall store yeah but as best as best we could actually quite a faithful adaptation and and it it became a success it got independent film spirit nominations yeah and and it sort of it sort of propelled me as as an actor next thing. I knew I was working with Scorsese. Nicole Kidman physical birth and I was like wow I gotta take this seriously right not that I wasn't but I mean this. This is actually actually happening but he had you had any training. At all none whatsoever life life was my training and story story. That's what it's all about. I consider myself a storyteller sure of course yeah no. No I know I I talked to more actors than I used to you know and because I've been doing get a bit myself but many of them come down to the story there honoring a store and other people get caught up in the nuance of acting acting in terms of tools they use or what have you but you just show up and try to show but yes yes. It's it's so basically from that point on I was I was an actor and what I love about. It is my Credo Credo basically try to work with people that I respect right and and so it from acting point of view I I mean you mentioned this earlier. How much time it takes direct but from an acting point of view I can be like a like a like a B. or something right. I can go and I can taste the nectar from different flower. I can make three or four films per year. If I'm lucky acting I can I can maybe do a couple of TV. V. shows or guest appearances but I can keep I keep active and I can be working on many many stories at the same time. Now this grinds to a halt when one is directing right because you're turning you're turning other other stuff down possibly and you are just single-mindedly sadly directing this. I mean the last photograph like you mentioned this to two two and a half years ago I finished I started. He's making making it and finished it in a rather unconventional way but it's taken it's taken a long long time and and and you need you need the occasion and the gumption to just just keep right. Keep keep riding it right until into seen right. That's from the point of conception to the point release so a lot of time on some level there there. There's some element of rationalization in you know when you taking you know four or five acting roles a year and you're sort of framing it is like why get to experience how other directors work and stuff that when you actually have to direct in focus your own energy on not doing any of that just for two years. There's got to be sort of like the I just can't. I get a job just in not finish this uh-huh yes and and and at that point the ideas possibly become a little tired for you yeah but you become utterly obsessed right. Oh that's good you have to AH yeah. You can't let it go so when Oatman. You're also like a what you're doing. You're in succession this season. I noticed you. I just started watching it a couple of weeks ago. That must be great to work with those guys. It's it's fantastic and you know Brian Cox I met him because because we both played general striker in the and the X. men so it was it was a very funny meeting in Edinburgh Scotland or where it was like I playing you know no no. I'm playing you look completely different so it was it was great to see him again. and I love working with Brian. He's he's where's he from his he British. He's he's Scottish. He's Scottish. Yeah yeah comes from yeah hard Scottish background. Oh yeah yeah like most of them. I guess I guess let's listen I mean he he was he we were in Dundee and he showed me the apartment or the house where he where he grew up. It was seven families in in one block maybe two three floors and yeah and and outhouse that they all used right so when you do like like over this process of doing were e obviously growing up a bit on your father sets and then working a bit with Scorsese with Figo's with who who are some of the other people that you how do you would you integrate into your directing craft from these experiences while the experience of making about four four or five adaptations with with Bernard rose tolstoy up we did. I was ecstasy which is a neck. That was your big break. I I don't know that I remember seeing thing that movie. That's the death of even illitch then then then we made boxing day which is master and man that we did the crisis and Oughta we did the to Jack's which is which is the two SARS. I did that with my nephew but what I what I really took from from. Bernard is his sort of unapologetic logistic manner he doesn't wait for anybody to Thailand whether he can make a film or not he just starts yeah and then he's tries to raise some money here and there but he's kind of like a like a punk rock hats and he's he's. He's like you starting his interviews in your garage right yeah yeah. Do It do it. You don't you stop you. Stop you stop the concern about who's WHO's GonNa. Release it and and worry how the backing jacking is arranged financially but that makes it difficult because you need to get it out there and but it's but it's it's it's a great aid unapologetic approach and Mike Figgis was the same and so that's that's what I got from. My father had to play the play the studio system where he he was. It was like yeah yeah but we don't have to do that anymore. If you've got a guitar and you've got a good melody a lashing out in the garage and send out yes good. It'll probably it may. Maybe maybe yeah yeah but you know you've done it. I do think that I mean it's a good question you've done it. That's true you've you've completed it and you've done that. You've done the work of your heart yeah but it is an interesting question about the way the the fragmented media works in this sort of this ability to self generated a-rated put things out in the world is at the idea that like well if it's great it will it will find its place but I wonder how necessarily not you're right and I wonder how many geniuses are out there submerged not necessarily yeah absolutely right and the stars do need to align and sometimes they don't and the worker still. AH possibly remarkable. I mean how how many how many great painters are out there that we don't know how many Vincent Van Gaal's route that we don't that's quite it's wild but but there is a lack of gatekeepers now so yeah and they were the ones that determined things but also there's the other side of that unfortunately is not unlike some painters enters that if something exists out there in the world at the time it was released her created. It may not get any recognition but you never know fifteen in twenty years down the line. Someone finds it like this. Guy Was a died destitute. Yes what a gift. Yes also also true absolutely true yeah but you know when when you have when you have the machinery in place. I have a film out this this this this these past couple of weeks call ageless fallen fallen and that's that's that's Jerry Butler and that's that's a franchise and and the just it's it's like a freight train. You know it really. It's it's it's Kinda. You cance dance to stop it. which is you know it's wonderful to be part of that? It's great to be in a number one film for a couple of weeks but is it. Is it marvel movie or some no. It's it's a he plays a security security for the president and this is the third installment to get an implicit. Does it fall in. London has fallen angels for no shit and I don't even look at this cast. I don't even know what this movie is. Where am I living and it's a huge movie. It's a huge movie. It's a huge success but my point movie theaters in in practically every that is actually my point. It's practically every movie theater and my film. The last photograph is playing in one theater nationwide in Santa Monica family at your strategy for one week. Get a fly in for one week and then it'll go on on the on the video demand and all the digital platforms etc which I I'm perfectly happy with this film because it's there's something quite private I but about the experience of that movie that might be true I got and it goes against my sense of what it should be but it is and I'm delighted that it's going to be up on the big screen for a week for for a week or so. I was just in a movie like that where you just to be a theater at all. I guess it's an exciting fighting thing yeah so there's no chance that it will pick up more theaters or you don't. I don't think so I think it's all it's all geared towards the one week theatrical release yeah and then into your home. So what was the journey of this movie. The why did it take so long. It's it. What did you do the festivals have. What was the process of the last photograph? We did the festivals yeah we we did. Edinburgh Film Festival which very poignant evening with Alastair Stewart who was one of the newscasters who announced the Lockerbie Panam one is really sort of relevant in how like there are these tragedies. Is it happen through acts of terrorism that that that seemed to require the victims the survivors you know living live in a sort of blame you know to find some sort of justice like like throw of him because these shootings like you said because there's so many things like this that create these type of the families of victims yeah the one on one fight was complicated. We we don't really know where the blame lies. I know very very many conspiracy. Theories was attached to Libya initially right. Well you know finally I believe it was Cheney who negotiated a deal with Gadhafi where Gadhafi gave money to the families of the victims right as a means to lift sanctions off and and then Blair and and and Bush We're able to have business again right so you know he he Ghaddafi accepted the blamed by paying by paying right the families but never actually said it was him so we don't. We don't really know there was a man it was prosecuted in in in Scotland who was released and brought back home to Libya because he was dying of cancer at at we don't really know we don't really know but it's what we do know that this was one of the first terrorist hits bits of that on that size many Americans may I think the biggest terrorist act over English English soil right and it was the the beginning of of of what we of what has happened sure so okay so you you do the event with Allistair in yes Belle's magical and then the other other event was a screening at Mill Valley which was during the fires yeah so so that was that was that was that was that was tough but everybody was everybody was very I don't know about willing they were open been right to a film about loss yeah interesting and so then where does the what what what is the process of like. I don't know no I I've talked to Sophie Huber about her recent documentary that the blue note documentary then I sort of talked to her about that to help her because I love the movie get it out there in the world and work with Lynn Shelton independent film director whose great and we did a small movie but like so it goes to festivals and you try to sell it or or get a distributor or how yes exactly you goes to festivals you hope you'll who financed it originally private financing on it that came through Simon astaire there okay a man called Hans Rousing Yeah and an investor investor charitable yeah. I think they are independent film. Yeah the film. Then cost didn't cost a lot of money but still will you need money to make yeah you hope that you garnered good reviews that the audiences is is some your supportive yeah and that their baby a few a few people there that might want decide to pick up the film right and we were. We were lucky enough to to to find find freestyle who are releasing it for us. Wow and that was a two year process if not longer yeah it's crazy longer all right so let's talk about these all right. Let's talk about these. now the the marvel movies certainly so the you were in x men origins of Wolverine all right so you know when you get one of these roles like a role oh like that and and I think the other ones oh by the way I loved. I loved Standing Ali I I'm so I think anybody involved in film. We should see that movie yeah and you were greatest. How rotea was not. It's not huge is a good part yeah. No I was so again as far as like tea tasting the nectar off of different for that was that was the perfect example of me being able to go there work for two or three days and see these two guys who just were remarkable aw crazy and you know from the prosthetics to their movements was I was gobsmacked. I forgot my dialogue because they were just they looked. I come believe it so unbelievable into the mannerisms and you know I mean both of them but Coogan was the detail yeah Kostanic. Laura was like this twitchy tricky business yeah yeah. I can't heartwarming isn't it. I loved it. I loved that movie so when you get these like as an actor because I I I'm maybe I'm wrestling with my own trip here but whatever you may think of movies or what they're you what they're placing culture is or if they're doing actual damage to the form you'll as an actor. You make choices an actor right. I mean there's money involved all but I mean we're not talking a fortune but you wanna work and you know I guess not unlike your father directing. you know movies that he may not out of wanted to direct in order to stay in the game and do the stuff he wants to do. You know you'd somehow I guess show up with as much as you as possible and and engaging it as as an artist that you are without judging it yeah but okay a AH the number of people I've met who've said Oh Anne was when I when I was a kid. I loved her or you know the entertainment value. That film has to lift. Did you out of your daily right. Possibly dull or or or or or life where you're you're. You're suffering bringing. You need a little light in this. You need something to lift you up a little bit and I think I think to judge these films too harshly. He's possibly unfair. what I try to do from an acting point of view is I just try to find the key into the character with wonder woman for example General Luton Dwarf Yes in in story terms he basically wants to exterminate mankind right okay yeah but in truth he was a real a real man he existed. DORF he was humiliated. in battle he lost his son on the German. Front and it it's it's all about you know which we're seeing a lot of today that nationalistic pride yeah and once you he's and I spoke to Patty Jenkins about this once. We started to get our head around this guy and understand him. I understood is the mackin nation right then I was able to portray the vote of the horror in in in in a more entertaining way a little bit more arch right with him on your own heartbreak. Yes yes however sinister yeah that that may that may one way to go yeah and and you know and I had a line on a film that I didn't call the constant gardener when my character says of those patients would have died anyway and he's talking about African Kenyans who are dying of AIDS and they're experimenting drugs on them and I found that line so horrific but if I could say it and mean it then maybe I'd have the character actor down you know so that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for I'm getting scalpels out and dissecting and prodding and seeing what the how these guys are and how they I feel and and and not necessarily honoring their evil right doings but but but understanding anywhere it where it comes from and and I think that a great novels paintings poetry is able to do is able to do that if you're able to understand other yet and you write or or breakdown this thing of them and us right and that's that's I find that fascinating from from from from a psychological point of view as well right so you just rise to the challenge in in figure out like when you get offered these roles that are broad you know what the what the guts of it is yeah but I mean I kind of have to do justice for the the film primarily. I have to figure out a way in doubt if I can't find it then. I can't really I shouldn't be doing and that's interesting because it comes comes down to sometimes just a script reading a line in the script like if I can wrap my brain around this yes yes. I'm a story of my fathers with with with Katherine Hepburn Burn when he was making African Queen Catherine Hepburn was couldn't figure out the character we could choose to having trouble with it. She goes up to my father. She goes John. I I don't know who this woman is. Father paused a moment said looked at her said Eleanor Roosevelt. Okay and sometimes that's all an actor. Knees is just a little key and interesting into who they're portraying. That's quite so now. Okay okay so now I'm GonNa. I now I. I think I got to just go out and watch some of these movies. I've I've been pushing getting back on them now. Angel has fallen like that's a whole franchise no idea it even existed. You're in all of them know only only only this last last month. Did you see it. I thought yeah yes I like it is as I said the antithesis of the last photograph with the fun a shoot em up shoot em up movie but what I liked about a my key into that actually and and and but what a lot of the other actors are portraying we are men that are damaged from war men that that cannot become part of what we consider a civilized a environment they've been trained to to to be lions yeah and they do not understand a a peaceful state the they they need the adrenaline to to feel alive right. We took grass moving in the fields for them as as as as a as a potential attention enemy that's lurking below right right there on another level and that was what was interesting to me cool all right well that okay so that. I I seem to be moving towards this engaging in this in these movies and just being I think one of afraid of they'll just be. I'll just love him well. I'm GonNa be that guy the guy who rails against your so fun. They don't want to be the fun guy well. I'll tell you it's been great talking to you then great talking to you. Thanks for coming in. I you know I I will I will share the I love that movie of your movie. Thanks great hearing these stories and we'll see where it and we don't know where it's GonNa end up after the after the film it'll be on I tunes and it'll be all all the all the digital yes exactly it'll be on pay per view and direct TV and then we'll go to lose streaming is an all all the usual streaming tremendous yeah well. Thanks for coming over. Thank you very much for having me okay again. The last photograph now in theaters and on demand and don't forget there are a lot of things to celebrate these days in pop culture and Pepsi can take all of your celebrations to the next level whether your favorite. It's show returns for a new season. Your favorite director releases a new movie. 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Ep. 583

The Fighter And The Kid

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Ep. 583

"Many, men can stand my punch. Obviously, obviously, a for sure. Senate set a here on them. Black belt and chips chicken. I think you'd be surprised. I. You'd be surprised at any fight club bike club bike club. Kids got a piece on. Cutie pies still got it baby. Lift your shield a now from the on its studios in Playa. Vista California it is the moment you been waiting for the fire and the kid is coming at you live. We're not live. That does make sense. I. Don't. Now. It's a fighter and the kid. Live. We live. We live. You better, buddy! I feel a lot better. You're living exactly. As since I was exposed, I would imagine at least fifteen the minimum fifteen I would imagine. Maybe we've got exposed Friday because you guys got started showing symptoms on Sunday so. Fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen days. It's a weird thing been in the thick of it all fifteen. I sure have I've been pacing. My fucking floors with nowhere to go I. Don't know what's worse. Feeling like your lungs are Gla- made a glass, or just the sheer boredom of not going anywhere, and maybe even worse is not having a taste or smell that sucks. 'cause foods not come to your rescue now you don't care about food. And now you and then I started getting some tastes back, but it was the wrong kind tried to sniff some wine and some coffee. I almost threw up really. Almost throw up! then. I took zinc on an empty stomach. That was it. We got some expensive zinc. You take from a dropper. Albri threw up super hard years. Nothing worse I learned the hard way to. My doctor was I take zinc to get your taste back soon. He was right so I was popping all zinc but I was drawn empty stomach and I was like Oh. Man I feel nauseous and I. Know Amen I haven't had any symptoms with since she told me take zinc I'm starting to feel nauseous. He's like a take on an empty stomach. Are IOS will figure it out to? That's the only thing. Bring you. To throw up right now. I'M GONNA talk. I WANNA. Throw outside inside went I a double. Schuch or Iran in just shouted to the bowl I'll. Tell you. What Fun is You know have to Cortina's away from the Kiddo. So my girl had to hold down the fort with the Kiddos two kids by the way six months in a four year old, so she got to bed and drive time to school, and then I get better. I'm like cool. I can help and she goes cool story walking the baby downstairs Mrs step loops. Are Anglo rankled goes. Oh, you're supposed to go that way. I'M GONNA. Go this way out. The size of a hippopotamus now they cuts, so she can't help with the kids so now I got better. She's in bed and I've got to take care of the kid whose dad duty. Here's. Here's what I would do differently if I could've. Gotten right on in hell steroid, the minister getting a cough and I would have gone the hydrochloric wine, which seemed to really work for you, and and and you know. There's a lot of evidence in the first thirty six hours for anybody. Has this that? And your your proof of it really does help really does help. I'll. I'll say you know you got it Stevie. Your girl got it. I got it. When got some friends who have had it? And? It's what's weird about. Is it affected? Everybody Different Odyssey, you know. He had symptoms early to mild symptoms early and then it went away after three days when I was super fortunate you've had. It's been a lesbian. It's been a struggle for fifteen days. None of ours you know for. Four nights. Who's really intense form? And then it got better, and it just affects different. You know we got to be safe and thank God everyone who got is okay now and. I'll tell you what's fun. Though, too, is you WANNA WANNA to show up naked tap to go back to work back to studio with John Stu this week, so I took to test last week. I keep calm like where's my results? My results and they go. Oh, sorry, buddy that swab that we stuck balls deep into your nose. Will we lost the results? So we need you come back in. A time. That's a good time. Thanks a lot. Thanks, let's get. Let's get back up my nose D. DI I'm GonNa take I'm going to take a swab. A couple of days you should do you. Should guys with Wednesday be? Yeah! I will because that's technically when. One hundred percent I will have symptoms by Wednesday. It'll be symptoms for fifteen, so that's. And then I'll be you. Should this get results back? Friday I'm doing today. I mean like I did last week because I. Would you know tested negative? Most likely so I'll do today to get my results blackout, Wednesday glad to your taste and smell back. Yeah for the most part I mean still little still little by PRI- PRI- like eighty eighty percent. Talking to Stevie Blue Eyes to like. On, this isn't. You I'm not saying that Yes should be worried about Cobra like that, but I'll see healthwise. I feel better than before when I got sick. I feel if I was one hundred percent before I feel one hundred ten percent night I energy student roofs I'm sleeping better. On I'm eating. Pizza every day. One thing I've never taken for granted is my l. Ever ever and when you're sick with this thing and down and walking around with nothing to do, you can't go anywhere. Yeah, you wonder you really really really think about people who have debilitating illness. Were or if you're thinking about, you know if someone was old in your family got it because of our dumb ass. Older. You have underlying condition. Let's say you were. From fat girl you, it'd be a prompt. Well. Here's the other thing. Here's the problem you know the biggest issue to me is. We still are left with. Haven't to move forward with the economy haven't having move forward with our lives and the. Unfortunately most of us, I certainly can't wait for a vaccine I and and I don't think most of us can and people that can afford to might be people who have jobs that are you know I? Don't WanNa pick on the media, but you know a lot of media. A lot of academics have jobs worry about whereas most of us who work and have to come up, have create a business and keep the business going. You know I don't have that luxury man I really don't. WanNa fucking vaccines coming well. What about you said? Peter Cautiously Optimistic About Twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty two. I can't afford it. Land. These celebrities get on the on the tweet and listen till that vaccine and we don't need kids in school. It's like hold out dude. You May Captain America Nine Euro your. We'll go rushing. Need my kid, Russell, those suffering dude and the I need my kids back in school. I need my car. Do you WanNa talk about a disadvantage? California just said there, the rest of the using be online. They've done research shows on line. It's a real detriment to their to their learning, and it's not good well. I'm in the process of trying to help with creating a homeschooling environment with peop-. A lot of different kids from the neighborhood. Because I don't think I don't think it's good. For these children to be isolated segment out for my children, I totally disagree one hundred percent with the idea that children have to stay home. Raised me. Private schools are will that schools like my son's been school for three weeks now. Privates different than the public schools public or you're angry. Opt for quite some time. 'cause remember to allow the a lot of other she. They have a lot of teachers. Don't feel safe going back because allow the teachers or older. Collecting unemployment to Brooke. Making more money, not teaching your kid. It's a tough place for teachers to be at their older. That's for Damn, sure and somebody. Peaches are just afraid. I don't blame them. Just afraid man! I get it. You might be a lot of people are just afraid I understand. I'm not I'm not? I can't I can't release the problem. It's frustrating I can't really criticize people for being afraid. Either you know some people are just cautious in and very worried about catching fucking vacuum I have friends who are yet will shit. I'll be you know I've been ranting raving about statistics guy in all the stuff in data I do stick by that majority. If you get coded, you're GONNA be just fine and everyone that I know her associate with WHO got this virus is fine, but you know last week. Dude when you're getting worse. I called Rogan like dude. We gotTA figure style count. He's like dude I was. I couldn't sleep. I was worried, too I was. You know round about your age. You're not young on your. It's just like walk, dude, it's like. It just Rogan. Logan's called me every day. You've called every day. A lot of my friends have called me every day and I I'll be honest. I was very. I was very happy to come out of it. The other side I talked to like I got a lot of doctors and so interesting to talk to all of our doctors, and all of them were like on. Basically, said look, you can't. There's not much to do however. The inhalable steroid for my cough game changer fucking games. That's what they do in Taiwan. So, they live on top of each other. Yeah, and they have very very few debt so what they do on a nebulizer. They're going on a very basic steroid. Very cheap a an inhalable steroid, and it's a game changer meant so because it's an inflammatory disease. What what? What that fucking. Hayler doesn't brings your information now. Look Man! Yeah tumbling. It's fucking humbling. Scare. Now. Let's get for you. You know. Yes, SKIP DOWN! Raw said crazy. Shit happens right. It's like my doctor said. Hey, don't take this thing lately. I got marathon runner. Who's News Thirties? He died and then I talked to a woman who was very nice and her cameraman. Dot. Thought, so there's a lot of shit you know. It's it's like anything else. It's a fucking. It's a weird. That everybody came out on the other hand in. Everybody's healthy now and. Hopefully. We'll be back in the studio next week. In after it man is if I do one more zoom podcasts I'm GONNA take. Monster bottle and shove it all the way down my throat I understand well I think we shoot for a being in studio. Friday, I think I might be if I if I come up with to negative tests Arro-. I like that only just you're crooked teeth. Yeah, and if not we do it next Monday and that would be my friend say. I've got my master's degree in everything Pablo Escobar and everything Whitey Bolger. I bought literally and I've read to two bucks now on Pablo. Escobar I got this new Whitey. Bolger went attacking now as got the WHO's a bigger asshole, Escobar or Out To. Ninety. S The bar knew he gate crashed. Planes hold on, hold. disallow make very fucking clamps in. Narcos does a good job. I'm rewatching Arco Season One and two Pablo Escobar thinks the greatest TV of all time years. My issue with this is date. They make you fall in love with Pablo Escobar and how given Robin? Hood of the poor. You gotta understand something in the in the eighties in the. The early nineties published by was in the midst of this shit. You're talking about a straight up. Terrorist, a terrible Hilario killer. Oh, or why? Because he killed and this is just cops four hundred tops a year every year. He was in business four hundred cops of fucking year. Do Change also when he talked about money. Wise timeout a guy whereas when when when you know, he was killed or Most people including his friends and family said he actually shot himself. He was shot and shot himself. He's about the DOT. That's the majority of people said he shot himself, but you're talking about a guy who was at the time. We're thirty and this is in nineteen, ninety two thirty billion dollars. Thirty million dollars makes six hundred forty million dollars a week. Fucking Kat. It's not. What else is crazy like narcos as his his son, who's? You Know He. He was kind of going against narcos. He goes when you watch narcos and you see like when Pablo's on the run with his family, and show these cool houses, and there's pools his helicopters he goes. That's the one thing there so often that we were not nice places. We're in the fucking in the shanties and we were skit for our lives. Scare and he goes in. Everyone makes seem like my dad was loving father all this stuff he goes. My Dad didn't trust anybody when we would go from place to place. He'd blindfold me and my little sister and my wife because he thought we were going to stitch up. As mother Yeah Yeah Wow. Just. A real piece of piece of shit. Yeah, he he would cheat. Monopoly cheated everything. He was just a bad guy. Will you know when when they when they him? They wanted to extradite him to America. He his way of having a government switched. The rules is by taking people hostages who were government the children of the cover the elite. And then killing them and the Chilton, and then. If you didn't like that, you'd blow up schools shopping centers in the great guy. flew up a fucking airliner own literally blew up an airliner full of people, and do you know how he got the bomb on the plane leaking with seventeen year old, who thought he was recording two gentlemen speaking, he conned this seventeen year old, who just had a new baby girl? He was killed there and then killed his wife Yup. Yup and then wanted to kill the baby, too so good guy. He's very very nice gotta be I mean, don't you what Whitey Bolger? You know? He never killed anybody who wasn't in the business. You know that's the way the. The Irish mob worked, but You know fucking Pablo. Come on real fucking disassociate path to true. Social Heroes do Australia's. Terrorist. Yeah well. He said he said I'm going to. I'm going to get them to change laws in Colombia the extradition laws, and if they don't do it I'm Gonna I'm GonNa, just create so much havoc and bomb. The city centers until do my bit. He really ain't. Nothing hired a guy who's really good at these. These bombs, these homemade bombs, blowing up buildings, and in public places and farmers markets and you'd I'm up people you know now. They idolize him in there's Pablo squad painting. This dude, you're talking about a guy who literally the entire nation was terrified. People stay in their houses do. Didn't you send me a thing about Mexico this year being the bloodiest hold on dude, we're talking about corona. We're talking about Pablo. Escobar right now Mexico. June was their bloodiest months ever because Nortel wars going on there, check this out one hundred and fourteen people died in under twenty four hours due to. From the cartel Jesus Christ, can't there aren't there cameras where they can see the stuff and track this stuff light railway? The United States has. been have infrastructure. What do we know why? The new president came in two years ago and it's gotten worse since he was there. What happened? Did he take? Hands off approach. Will what they're saying a lot of it is because it's so ingrained. It's so it's not only is it? In obsolete, the cartels in it's part of the culture or hate to save. It's also ingrained in their politics. One doesn't play without the other. It's an stomach goes all the way up to the federal level. All Dude. It's so bad over the highly SCO cartel, and all those guys had yeah they. They're not working alone here. They've got people in the federal military and police blood. Everybody's on the take like. My friends said he goes. You know when you when you talk about cartel. What you're really saying is that you got a guy who's here and it's like well. My cousin works for that guy. My other brother were everybody's involved in one way or another. But also like in until, Know El, Chapo. When he got caught the one, the only reason El, Chapo got caught was because Americans and in until you get Americans in, that's all these cartel guys whatever city there in Colombia Mexico Russia. If Americaines yet called and you bring in our special forces one thing about Americans, do not all of them are terrified of America. is now going to get you? Barack! Here we are going to be bad, but that when that Mexico, we took out that WHO iskoe, or whatever the hell would call cartel Americans helped out with that, and then now with El Chapo Son's trying to fight for power, and it's it's great. It's it's not safety. Now. Now it's like a war. Going on stuck in crazy met talk about stress. STRESS MY I can't imagine it's still my girl. Can you imagine hobble Escobar with his family on the run, but here's what's interesting is his wife. You know after Pablo was killed every cartel in Colombia want to kill her and her kids just to prove appoint, so they had to go into hiding and saw my God. That poor lady. Blah Blah Panta fucking five years ago, her son get arrested on drug trafficking. Man The back in the business. Yeah, the arrested, but they didn't have enough evidence. They held him for fifteen months and let him go. Back in the old family business, and then the guy that I think that people are going to want to get high. Your biggest market is just here north yet. The only way Latin America gets out of this is by legalizing drugs. Yes, it's the only fucking. You mean northwest. They keep paying I'm saying I'm saying a lot of America keeps paying for our drug habit with their blood and tears, and I if I'm Latin America if I'm Mexico if I'm any of those countries I fucking legalize it i. go you guys keep doing the drugs. Drugs, so let's legalize it. We'll just fucking zone it will tax. It will organize it. People, you guys can make your money. And then I'd have the Federales say book. Everybody gets to take including US if there's any and so and you start killing people. You're going to have a problem which is going to focus on that and otherwise otherwise. Let's zone it. Let's cut it up and it's all free, and if you're American, come on now, i. mean that's what I do, you. What's your household going? Otherwise we will. The real issue would be you need a America. North North America American. Legalized drugs, because then. There's no incentive to do all this crazy. Crazy Shit and territory and sneak it in and smuggled in now. You come out from the legs by doing that, you know. Yeah, that's all you. That's all you can do well, because whatever was not working. Here's the other thing in those cities were one hundred forty people died in twenty four hours. Not only do they have to worry about Kobe which is hitting over there now, so he got cartel code. You know they have. They have lockdowns after dark. Because of the cartel shootings are so bad estates either house Jesus. Everyone know we cry about being Korn here in the states, because the Kobe being with our loved ones, but trust me could be a lot worse. You can't even earn a living. You start a business good luck when they come in and go, we'll take this. You know what else you know. What else is yeah? Exactly what else is frustrating is like most of the other countries besides America. Because we're Americans just what we do, what's make make this nation great, and we think ourselves, but all these other countries went. We have to wear mass. We have stay corentin. We're GONNA do that. And they did it and your time out. Most of Europe's back to normal. You don't south. Korea all backward but Americans. Nah You know and we're this year where we're one of these guys? With you start math in your start taking away our guns, you take away our freedom. And then it was like okay, dude, cool, but until we are. Now we're here and we have Americans. Don't follow rules well, and you're right I was not I was not a good rule. Follower and I was very critical. I would have liked little consistency though the problem with America's that we weren't given any real fucking. I was hearing. Three different stories smells difficult and I'm still I'm still hearing the New England. Journal of Medicine comes out with a says. Masks actually don't stop the spread. Is a lot of stuff where I'm like. Can Somebody please? Me Get a consensus here you know. But that's not going to happen I. Feel like in America, it's more political now. It's just do like I took my son to the outdoor mall. Grow fear. Now lay visits his favorite spot. To don't go to. Grove looks like walking dead now. Everything's boarded up was like one or two shots. Everyone's in mass. There's not that many people. Be So depressed. My son Goes Papa what happens not. The sickness. And then. To get down there, I took Laurel Canyon and last time I took Kanye canyons get to the comedy store. I got super depressed thinking. Will that never come. We'll those days of US hanging out the calmest with our boys in doing. Stand up in hanging. It just pop over there outside I was to give at eight thirty, and all my friends and try new bits like are the are those golden days over like at the time to realize that we will be in the golden age of our comedy careers. Is that just over? I. Think that's I think turnout October. You don't think you will. Bounce, back I think when there's a vaccine it will. It's going to be a long time. Yeah! and. I don't know when that's going to be. I mean I just don't. I don't know. Here's the good news. Your do look better, but one is lower than the other and you know. And you know and by the way this I just as ever been. As, it's ever bid maybe even more so at the end of the day the lid surgery. Not so much, you know. Let's be honest. Let's be still got. Some circles is too bad hasn't gone away. Who knows why doesn't? It doesn't better one night is. Well, here's the thing I. Don't think it looks better, but that's okay too, and here's the thing. We tried, and it didn't work out sometimes Brennan and lives things. Don't work out, and you might come out with one wonky eyed. At the end of the day they can still sniper might. My. I have a cousin who had a plastic surgeon and he said to his wife. He said man looking at his eyes. And he casually said. I don't know if he's a candidate. What do you mean he goes? I mean he would need a ballast. It's going to not do. And I remember she said that and dismissed IT I. was like I know he's only been doing it for fifty years. What t know and I just plunged ahead, so it turns out that old BRI. Is Let's I'M GONNA I'M GONNA walk over now I'm GonNa. Look at my eyes right now. I I don't see a goddamn difference exactly exactly. This and look. Added, little to the top well. Is a real beating. Then get Kobe, so things have been going. It's been shit month. Yet. Isn't tough. Did adopt brother. Did you watch the fights on Saturday? I watched the fights on Saturday. Why did it like? The flights went on for twenty hours because they did. I was glad I was glad that Rose Nama, Judas won that fight. I think she's awesome. I was glad that. I disagreed with the Max Holloway. Decision. I think Max won that fight. Handed not handling but Farren Square I think it was three to. No question and it was because Max. It was really interesting. Because Max was pressing the pace and he he was moving forward. If last night he was always moving back because. I'll ask you kept moving forward. And that changed. In this fight that was weird, but Listen man, It is what it is. It is what it is. I was very surprised that Max loss. Smith Mosleh Well. I mean. I don't know how. I thought this I I think that Mazda with this. Because had I was talking about this kid sucks from one ninety four to seventy in a very short period time, so I knew is wind would be a problem, or that's what I was worried about, and I knew it would be was. My never has a win problem. I don't know where he gets that. Cardio from, and he's a fucking grinder. He just. How are you going to solve that Problem Jon? Fitch copy. It's even more than that. They'll be because it's like yeah striking. You gotTA worry about two. Hey, yes, it's like this incredible pace, and it's like you know we've seen could be built a little tired. We've never seen newsmen. Get tired of Kobe Covington in Woodley now on Edward so it's like he's also very smart. Keep in mind strategic like He. He does weird shit to win and I. Don't know how you solve that problem. I. Think the only guy who can give him. Fritz is maybe Leon. Edwards could post a problem for me even though he did beat them, but he's a better fighter now, but the other thing is. The only guy note the only guy I think that could Finished tomorrow. WHO's been would be a mazda on a full cap G. I remember. I don't care what anybody says I don't know what miles well said in his post fight, but a six day notice is a six fucking day. Travel with travel in. Battle Cova Test Your you say you've been getting ready, but unless you have a contract on paper, and you know who you're fighting weeks out, you're not in the same grinding mode, so and he even said I think he mentioned got tired and around after that knows tops especially with the spent style also. If you give full camp. He's really the only guy can see. Giving been any trouble anytime soon. Leon Edwards could pose some problems, but outside that man I don't know I still even even even. Full as winds amazing. I still don't hey solve that problem. Once he closes distance and grabs onto your knee, little snatching single, or or just clinches up with you and get on the ground. You're still you're still in the same fucking both. The. Problem of this Mazal and I think people don't realize is how good is take down? The fence was amazing can amazing. Amazing stood up every time. He's a fucking. He's a killer, but you might see the same fight. You might see a grind out again most likely. Tomorrow's also he does throw. He throws well. But he but he even admitted when you know. When he throw, he's get tacked. He was losing the. Now all I'm saying is Moslem has the cargo twenty five minutes those exchanges, third, fourth and fifth round, even the first and second. You can be more willing to do it because he doesn't have to reserve tank so if he can trade those third fourth and fifth, whilst we might get a little tire, you have more of a shock to finish them. Because last fight human really have a shot in the fourth and fifth hour. That's one hundred percent right. Aldo. Young. I love although, and it's exactly what I figured because of all. On Aldo. You're just not for whatever reason with fighting. When you kind of just the just the wear and tear that although has you're not gonna be able to the fourth and fifth round. You're just not gonNA. Keep up with a younger fresher up and coming. Yawn, who is twenty seven years old? It's just different, and you could see the guy on a round four was jumping up and down and ready to fought. And and that's. What it's really interesting with fighting whatever it happens to your body, although look amazing so muscular so fucking great. He was fucking great for this three rounds, but At the end of the day man I don't know it's. A Long, all been doing it dude. He's so in his striking his abilities stand right there, and and move his head and catching angles and comeback. It's just astonishing. Hard. y'All at twenty seven. Who's never been in real high profile? Fight Faber Rivera. Crazy resume he went. Oh, you're good at striking I'M NOT GONNA. Here's a line in the sand, a Russian line in the sand. Russia moving back moving, so if you WANNA. Play this physics us in. I'm game for that and I was like Oh shit. He's the real deal. He's the real deal. He's fucking the real deal. Who Tian Right now? I mean I don't know who beats young I'd I'd like to see I. WanNa see him fight. I WANNA see him. Fight could guard. Peter Janka government than motherfucking fight. It's a modified because coke coke coke young odious and he's to, and he's looks Jim. What's that? He's good fighter. He's a good to the hardest hitter in the division Hanson. Yes, he hits hard and he's going to stand there, too. So it now now now you realize you just gone. Draws have the same haircut, yeah? We had the same haircut. Had the same haircut. She's got an amazing jawline. and. She's an amazing fighter, but yes, we do. Yes, we do. She is A. She's she's a handsome strong I say this with respect. She's a she's got a strong presence. You our full sites, Wednesday, inch and Saturday this week to. Yes and I'm very excited about the cater A. Fight yet, you see that he gave thought when Bourbeau say. You got stronger as the fight went on. Those who minds dude fucking Hawaii. Fuck? He's amazing, fuck! He's great and but cater is. Katie member cater fucking gave. beat the watch for we'll hold on. If that was a main event for five round to beat the B. I mean I agree with you. Cater is a motherfucker. Cater is as good as anybody in the forty five. His won two. Straight one two was? Second only McGregor as far as efficiency. There's nobody better what. Yeah he's he's going to be he's. He's a nightmare for anybody. He's an I. Don't be. He's the guy who could easily have above actually, Ilya. No question you excited that I fights watch Wednesday and something to do on Saturday. That's my life. WHO's fighting Saturday? Joy this? Yes. Out To. figure. Figure! With that with the caller near. You missed it because I was talking to you. You Miss. My favorite fighter is lending. Firefighters have a crush on him. Wicked smart as well. You missed the Yuri fighting the Ozdemir. Mobile over dude. He's referred small I. Did see it. He's versus heart. Talking about. Are you talking about Mr Koen Fu? Talking about are you talking about this? Schoeman showman the. Body up, Hadid up first team. All Show Pony Dude. I team. Honing is a sham. And and and I was like I. Don't know what he's right now. He's talking. He's looking. Keep stopping over in this direction and then moved back and I got get knocked. Out Hands Down. Hard the whole. Well I understand what I understand. That's your prerogative. Later I'm at home, hard fighter art fighter. Okay, I got a little scared. Use a senior. Now here's licensed by. Here's my question now doing you wrong. Oshima's ranked number seven. The world is when the best there is. Just he get away with those same tactics finally guy like Oh, I don't know lower tech era or Gusta thin or some of these other killers at to. Say this very clearly. Watch your love alone. I know we're not in studio. You Watch your fucking mouth or the time up my show, Pony yeary Madison your. Come to your house. Do get in your and I'll surf and turf Coburn Surf Turkey right now. You don't have lungs. Because you have the Kobe line, don't have longs. That's true and I'll cough I'm listen listen if he tries that show boat shit against if he tries that show bullshit. Against Italy, sacking it technician at the CIA against. Tony Smith. Against against fucking. Sweden, why am I blanking on his name right because Alexander? Gustafsson. Global Shera. Again. He's GonNa pay. He's GonNa pet, he's not ready for those guys. Stocks Get too excited up. Let's not get too excited that he did a great job, but you can't. You can't be doing. You can't be doing that stuff I think the Santa's might have an issue with it if he. If! He's fights him and doesn't look at him. You'RE GONNA have problems with younger Santus you're going to have some problems. Yeah so careful with. Eleven outgoing. I love him. My guess is by the way it might be. How he deals with nerves. It might be sometimes you show boat because you're fucking nervous and it gets you in his own, and it fucking gets the other guy's head. Some guys don't get they. Don't get some guys though the veterans that doesn't get into their. Do I. Go to call. Old Trafford Against John Jones or DC let me know how that worked for you. No, no, no, no, no, no, not against guys like. They want you to all the stuff. Come come. Dun done body checkout doozy. Here's a thing. He's beat King The wall you beat! Away you know, he's beat some tough dudes, and and you know this is. They offered him a UFC contract while he could do not see be out. Correct that! Everybody out, not NBA. He's got a he's. He gets very hard. Top five hundred citizen, the division east. Yeah. He's got wins Oshman's man. Team Barbara scope father time yes. Yes, we do. I have a little better. My Hair's OATMEAL. It's very handsome in a hat and a cap. For Myself I thought Oprah near looks very handsome on what he's doing with his face. He's got his beard. He's tall and handsome, and then he takes his hat off and he like talk. A. Nightmare, so we gotta make a choice to shave our head completely. It's a problem so better than him. I do better here than thank you. Thank you hymns yet so. Yeah. What about rose, Nama Judas, your thoughts on her performance, and where she goes from here rose the best in the world when when she's mentally into I, agree what she's. She's not or she somewhere else. It doesn't feel like fighting. It's a nightmare for so. She was still great though she was still great against US contracts the first fight. She pieced her up even more. Yes, she's she's. Check Hook. Amazing. Check a that job you know. For me, it's always it's rose verse. Roses roses ready to go. She's the best in the world at the can be Waleed hanging you know even even you know out good. UELI is I I do think grows beats, or if she's on that night, so and wailing even said roses toughest competition, so you're going to get that next. while. While young roses fucking Amish. She's she's my favorite. She and you WANNA agenda or my favorite. Female fighters to watch and by the name say that I. Think they're so technically great. I love watching period. I like them I like watching them. As much as almost anybody else. Male or female Oh wow interesting. That's cool. I just think tiger. No, I think technically a so sam. Lands and he just downloads. I. Watch roads was just Andreessen steeping DC three Oh. Okay, well in some way like. Because I like the I like the fluidity of rose. Oh sure sure sure. Did you like the fluidity of Max? Holloway rhyme I do his fluid nobody on the earth fine. Pass Communal pastor. Yeah it was exciting though. I've been watching a lot of weird shit. I watched an exhibition match between Jordan burroughs and. fucking Aban Aspirin. And Jordan. Burroughs beat him eleven. Nothing like it was nothing, and then I watch these weird things. Old beat fights. You Watch fighting and I watch. I just read books in Watch narcos Shit well I watched ballers I've watched every series from ozarks ballers to everything so I like ballers I'm new to that OFI. The studios can open up since we knew shit. I don't know man. That's a big issue, isn't it? That the Hollywood is really really panicking conveyed. Just don't know how to do this and I didn't Netflix's running out of content and well. That's obviously you. Sit through it. So I don't know man. We are living in our own president. Times my friend H. IN DC some. Breaking news that newsome lockdown the city again. I got I got a bunch of message because that newsome's lock in La down again haven't seen it. Check it out though. Yeah, let me Numb. And nothing but regular. Can you do Y lock it down trails and. I hope not. closed down. Restaurants no longer salons gyms going back to phase one. Well! No, I don't know either dude. Maybe they know something I don't know. I've been wrong many times I. Keep my mouth shut. Yourself. It's not political. You hope it's based off science research. That's all that's all I can hope for you. That's not. Off Two, thousand thirty two. That's twenty can eat my Dick, and it all started with me doing that. Death Whistle, and I want to apologize to everybody did will hold on the Nasdaq whistle, or was it toby dying i. I think I blew the. Whistle and two weeks later the epidemic hit. So I think Kobe had already passed short started with Koby. Koby set it off the new blowing. Whistle definitely didn't help shit. Now, that was probably really dumb. Jo- I believe Joe, because he started going. I wasn't doing it properly from I. Did it well? He got his lips around. It really looks around it. I use it my my my Kobe free lungs back then. So. It doesn't help. Let me just say this about fucking. When you're sick I, just want to let me just say this. Tell anybody who has a friend who said don't do the two things number one. Don't give me advice on what to do because you're not a doctor, so whatever you do I get like like Yosef Yosef as I love so much. Dr Zine. He goes you grow, do General. Do Large doses. They say large doses are. What is? I'm like. Dude so far, it sounds like you've really a lot of research that fucking Ben and everybody's got a different point of view. Take all take all the vitamin D take all the vitamin C get a Netti Pot. It'll be gone in two days. Shut the fuck up. You were doctors. Then I talked doctors and they go gotTA. Let it run its course or maybe hydrochloric, when or maybe in help steroids. Or nothing or fucking? Maybe nothing because you can talk I. It drives me. What about? Other friend now that they found out. We have friends who sent me and Brian Negative Shit About Code Oh. That's great I gotta say that. Yes, the other thing is when I'm stick. Please don't send me articles about how some people never come out of it and have organ damage for the rest of their lives and brainers. Please don't do that, mom, mom, don't tell me that my taste may never come back, mom. And other family members and friends who who catastrophes I'm already feeling Alexis thought I. Don't need you adding anxiety about how this I can be the one rare case that never gets better or gets worse than dies if you don't mind guys. fucking I don't like negative shit, and now that I have it. The people are saying you can get it twice and they're gonNA. Send me all the stuff about that I don't need that either. I get it that life sucks this. 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The whole thing that one guy started like. Give me your worse stories about Ellen and then I. Know some people at work for upset because she never said anything about her pay during the time when other guy hosts like Jimmy, Kimmel Jimmy Fallon paid all their employees out of their own. A Lot Jimmy came out. You pay doesn't pull out of his own purse. dern Kobe because he's a good dude, even though these dummies one against home so with with Allen. All these negative stories came out about her and her. The thing was shoes, trouble and canceled because her rating is were shown though if it's not because she's an asshole, her ratings were really low, but I don't think they're cancel her. But we've got this. We've heard rumors of her being an asshole for ever. Yeah. I mean you know I I? Don't like rumors and I. Don't like twitter and I can't stand when the twitter mob decides that they WanNa. Kill somebody, which is what they're about so you know I I just. I met him Hollywood. I see the reality and I see the the hype and there's there's a big difference. Loud time so I'm not going to be involved Bullshit Yup me neither, but it also and I you know I've never dealt with Ellen one on one myself, so I I don't I. Don't partake in the rumors in in these people that one youtuber when our show goes. She didn't come to my restaurant. Say Hi, it's like. Never ran a show. Do now stressful around show and running tight on time and go and live at three on. You know and also don't forget. Ellen DeGeneres is very talented. Was One of my favorite comics of all time? One of the great comics use your old stuff. And what Godard dance is really hard work in a brilliant mind, and it might be a complicated. Much might be a difficult person sometimes as you work all day shorts all day every day. She didn't have a great childhood. One of the first women come out as gay on TV. She's a fucking pioneer. Yes, a little respect onto metal respect with them saying we L. and come out to help. Move The ball forward for gay. People have no idea that kind of pressure. She was under. John Remember you. She lost her job. She s those huge. They took her off herbs. She came out to Jews date right. I'm old enough to remember when rumors were that, she was gay and she couldn't say anything and she's always lived I when she was one of the first women on fucking. TV came out and pay the price for it so a little respect you young Fox for a pioneer. Who did some real shit for LGBT TQ and four four, just moving the conversation forward and everything else so you know, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter I. Guess You were kind of a jerk and now they wanna Fuck and destroy you. I. Don't even know how real these assholes are on this already. Got Fuck. This next one is really sad. be actress Nyah Rivera she was originally on the show glee on Wednesday, she went on a boat ride that she brought her four year old son with her on and a couple of hours later, they actually found the boat with the little boy inside. He was sleeping, and he was fine with the actress was nowhere to be out, and after a couple of hours trying to find her in the lake. They presume that she was dead because they couldn't find her body found. This morning they found a body and they said that they were going to have a press conference at the lake. I think today at two to reveal whether it's her or not but presuming. And, I think she was just swimming in dot cot under because the thing when I first heard thought using the ocean. We'll definitely shark that's nuts, but choosing a late so there's no. There's no tied in the lake. Man and it's a man made lake top for you, so maybe she just couldn't swim, you know. It's a weird situation, 'cause. The! Little boy came out the other day after he was. Like well take. Care of the felt like it was okay to interview him. He said that his mom jumped off of the boat and never came back up. She might have had cramp. She might have had fainted. Let him by. The hitter! Supplement. Yeah, you never know. About the something. How about four little boy being on that boat for? They found him four hours later sleeping on the boat. Marist vote never came back. It's fucking trap I thought. That's your whole world. So that's a it's. A disaster intends astronaut. Man. It looks like such inviting water. It's like all of us would do. You can jump and swim around. That's no. There's nothing dangerous in there. Maybe she hit her head on the side of the boat. She slipped. Fuck knows Matt's. There's people saying that local residents around that area. They're saying that water is very dangerous. That's why been I wanna go swimming in there and there's like. Growth trees and stuff you get entangled on stuff like that. I mean. I. Don't know I. Don't want to. Have you ever fished out there, Chin? Not Funny Moves when I. I thought I thought. Alyssa Lake I just went to. But. It's not. GonNa Party. It's such a shame that so many people have been have been killed died from that that cast. You know committed suicide. All kinds of stuff. Of Glee. Really six people six people who are associated with that. Show six people. Wow, that's scary, yeah! She's apparent had. Such a shame very pretty. This is weird. Okay so I think you guys have talked about this before. Where they're always been rumors about will smith and his wife, Jada Pinkett Smith ringing open relationship or their swingers a couple of days ago, A. B. Singer August Alsina came out. To enter Louise Show and he talked about how he was in a relationship a couple years ago with Jada, Pinkett. Smith and he was just kind of talking about how. It was really good relationship and you love someone so deeply. And then he went on to say that he talked to will Smith about being in a relationship with her and that will. Smith gave him his blessing and a lot of people went crazy about that. To the point. Where Jada Pinkett Smith onto her show Red Table, talk with her husband where they talked about it, she said that she and will were at the time amicably separated, and they were gonna get a divorce, and that was the time when she started dating singer and when Will Smith asked her what. What it was, he kind of wanted her to say that she was having an affair and instead use the term entanglement which depend myrow because she refused to say that she was in a relationship with him and she. She said she was in entanglement, which Ben went viral on twitter, and a bunch of celebrities went out and D M Will Smith shortly after the interview went live and. There are text conversations between fifty cents and will Smith as will smith the comedian Michael Blackson. On screen shots. What's tough is a real sifted when you watch that and his wife goes, you know and we'll. Get at the time I had a entanglement with a August UNC. The pain of will Smith's face man. It's fucking. You just an embarrassment and the pain, and then he goes well. You'RE NOT GONNA. Get you back, thank. Put. August Steve is a good looking felon. Yeah. Handsome. I looked them up and I was like. Well all right? I don't want August seen near my on I. Don't want Chris Brown near my girl there. It's hard to compete with. New Your girl either man. Well yeah, that's true because he's got a great personality to any the handsome son of a bit. Will Smith is to hang out in August a lot more funding Bryan callen. Yeah with US making so batch. And this is just a silly video to dad. Recreating what their daughters were doing. Try and take like instagram thought photos I love it. I love it. So good? So. Mad I didn't do this we do. Funny. Vacant. White God. That's so funny. So good. He's so good. Humor humor the best. Data the GRANDPA they'll you know? Maybe. Maybe. Yet you got some serious one here. Let me, think of this British first of all. This is awesome police department. And this woman right here again's. She was doing some. Protests go on March in and she was driving behind. These motorcycles urged making sure nothing happens with the march, just driving slowly so she would start hogging officers, and then she also ran a red light, so then officers had to you know filing over in a your, and this is what happened when they were checking. I've seen this one he is it deal. titties. Talk! Bookings on birth. Nancy. So, that's the first they're. kind of like. The back of his WHO's The asshole? WHO's the asshole yelling at the please he's. Do his job that don't ask for. Me Ask people. This I don't know I've never taken cop courses. HOW WOULD HE FRISCO Women's breast? If you're gonNA, hide something your breasts. which how should they do I? Don't think you do with that I. Think you have a female, do it? Exerts. That's why she has an absolute. That makes sense so. Of course their policy, though if they tried to get a female officer and they can't get her, because there's no one there's no option the area. They're allowed to do that. Whether she? Them titties. What are they supposed to? See how he's also in front of the patrol car stroke are. RECALL THE MAP mobile auto video thing that's recording. That that's policies, so you gotta go mover in front of the car, so it's recording and he has to do that kind of growth, not groping sounds like he did it his job, yeah! Watch him as well so he did all those things. fucking asshole dude needs to get punched in the face. Who was fucking screaming at the COP that way? It sounds like this story again. There's no story here. I don't want people on the lose his job. Okay, of course, they do good. He's doing his job department. Now should. And shouldn't found what else you got. See here. What? IS FROZEN AND LADY'S LAP or This is crazy. This kid was playing soccer I mean. This is a practice game and you've got hit by. Lightning should see this, Tam. It! Did he die? Chin nobody's not doing that great, so it's all, but they said he's responding to like. You know they're asking questions. And his moving his head in his eyes so off. Let me see I'm great, but I'll show you this. Gets. Russia. and. You see right here. Rain. Odds are just ridiculous. So this is what the. Update as reports say that zone Broschi went into a coma after the strike and suffered serious burns, but reports signs of recovery I've been encouraging. God Jesus Campus Serious Burns. Bucking Selassie, you expect, play some soccer and God's exit and the. Palm. Even know who be mad at you like Oh. No. You. Know what I mean it's like. Well All right sometimes. Your boyfriend descent. I guess some rap who's like hassled before? There's like a video this way back. When this guy was casting fifty cent about how come you're listening to my stuff he was trying to. Know get stuff for fifty cents a listen to. Do! This is not the way to do it Blah Blah so apparently, he came back again. And then I'll show you the you hear. This is the new strain bodyguards. Idiots. Table. Now. So much debate with left on his with his. With his truck pretty much it. I feel like in that situation should just get out and fight the guy as opposed to throw a table out of I dunno well fifty cents hits him. He's going to be sued. It's got some way more money. And get together throwing me. What's that who knows guys weapons, so I'd rather just keep my distance and throw stuff out onto. Yeah well, I always that's why I carry throwing stars starring stars Super Quiet. And I throw them at your fucking Dome, and then you you you are you walk off with a bunch of stars? Don't let's. Yep Yep. So Brennan. You mentioned this before how? Shyla buff actually got chess statues. Yup, we finally got to see it. The artist shows what he did exactly so. That's that's that's They're all real. Apparently, that's what the artist is saying and everyone else is committed to the ruling. Was We wear? It tells you ever Moore across his stomach that his characters name creepers. Yeah promise had been. Doing the movie anymore. So, what do we do from? There took off. The Tattoo represented something with his family to his mom and stuff like that. Cool Tattoo you'd work. Yeah, really cool. All right, let's see. This thing I thought was actually terrible against this woman's a a radio host and she saw. Latin American people working and their boss was talking to them in Spanish, so she started recording herself. About why speaking Spanish way speaking Spanish, she eventually got fired from of studio network the strong, but play this video for you. Is speaking, English. Okay, but it is America. It is America. You should be speaking English. You should be speaking English. They worked for the state. You should be speaking English. What do you work for? Oh so these people? Is English. Doesn't matter. It's still English is. English English. Is Anybody here illegal? Are these guys illegal. Any. What's the name of this company? We'll get this. Ever is America speak English. Speak English so he. This is a form in working for this company mornings. and He's speaking. In Spanish to these guys, so you're attached, all is up here in the Hampshire. That's what's going on here. Appear in the hand. Bad. Guys was. Brown man from this white. Woman Who's practiced. White Privilege! anyways. She's person. She got fired from her job. Is He. It listened to catch up a fight to have used to sucks yeah. That's. The last one is a very sad one, and I didn't want in understanding all all these have been said we'll cut. You mentioned this hours zooming so zooming so it is you mentioned on below the belt as well, but you wife with? What happened, she passed away. Yeah, WHOSE WHOSE WIFE! John Travolta Kelly Preston. They've been together I worked with Kelly. No way she was so awesome. What happened? Fuck Man. Kelly was. She was so gorgeous on we did. She was so cool I spent a week with her man. Actress she's so when I when I did fat actress. When was fat actress? Somebody? Look it up. But fuck. Two Thousand Five I duNno, she's so pretty. Scored stamps. She died of breast cancer. She's really hot. Rolling Quinn's with Arnold Schwarzenegger's growing twin. She was so gorgeous. A good actress and a good person. Data fucking breast cancer. I didn't know she was sick. Actresses. Thousand Months. Thousand. Edie ELCO. Every Cell Phone While I'm sorry that she's passed away. Well. No the good news. Well guys. It was a Monday we came. We did our best. We did our best, but hopefully be. Let's get in there. 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Ignorance and Power (with Jon Meacham)

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Ignorance and Power (with Jon Meacham)

"From cafe welcome to stay tuned. I'm pre-. Ferrara. Donald Trump will be a watch word and a warning. About unchecked power. The threat of demagoguery and to quote James Baldwin Baldwin once wrote that ignorance allied with power is the most dangerous things. That's Jon Meacham he's a Pulitzer Prize winning historian and presidential biographer whose latest book is his truth is marching on John Lewis and the power of hope. MEACHAM has a lot of projects in the works. He's the host of it was said a new podcast from cadence thirteen that breaks down some of the most iconic American speeches. He's also the subject of an upcoming Hbo Documentary The soul of America, which debuts October twenty. Seven. He joins me this week to talk about this historical moment in presidential politics. That's coming up. Stay tuned. Almost one in three people with depression don't get enough relief with antidepressants alone Green Brook Tamas therapy for treatment resistant depression could be the solution timoth stands for Trans Cranial magnetic stimulation and it's a drug-free FDA cleared treatment that uses gentle magnetic pulses to reactivate the parts of the brain responsible for depression Green Brook Tim as no cost consultations to help you determine if tim US therapy is Rafer you. Don't lose another year depression visit Green Brook TM mass dot com slash preet for more information. Let's get to your questions. This question comes in an email from Nora, who writes quote I was wondering if outgoing presidents and their staff have any legally binding obligations to maintain records from their period in office in other words. Is it possible that the putative outgoing trump administration would be able to destroy records of malfeasance in the period between knowing they will need to vacate the White House and their departure in January. If that happens love, your show was saying voice in a very troubled period. Best Regards Nora. Nora thanks for the kind words and thanks for the question. So there is indeed a legally binding obligation for the president and people in the White House to maintain records, and it's aptly named the presidential. Records Act of Nineteen, seventy eight like lots of laws including the law establishing inspectors general in a whole bunch of other reforms. It was passed in reaction to some of the misconduct and bad behavior President Nixon president. Nixon you'll remember tried to get rid of withhold from Congress his infamous white, house tapes. So this is another reform passed in the wake of Nixon's presidency that we worry about having gaps and I'll get to that in a moment. So the Presidential Records Act governs the official records of presidents and vice presidents created at the beginning of the Reagan, administration. According, to the National Archives, the Presidential Records Act changed the legal ownership of the official records of the president from private to public and established a new statutory structure under which presidents in later, the National Archives must manage the records of their administration. But here's the problem as with. So many things that we discussed on this podcast and then I discussed with milligram enforcement is kind of toothless kind of like the Hatch Act, it relies on an honor system. So. There is a legal obligation to preserve all official papers and most presidencies as far as I know have taken allegations seriously in fact quite seriously. So the presidential records act explicitly by its terms requires that administration's quote take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the president's constitional statutory and other officials or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained. That's a requirement. But like so many other things it turns out that enforcement may be spotty, and of course, there's a built in kind of ambiguity in the presidential records act itself because it is up to the president in his own discretion to decide what? Steps may be necessary in quote. And he also has discretion to determine what does or does not have quote administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value and quote. Now, issues relating to the non preservation presidential records. Before in this administration, a number of times, you may recall a few episodes where trump was caught hiding trying to destroy records. For example, in June two, thousand eighteen there was a records management analyst who told politico, the trump routinely tears up documents which forces record keepers to tape them back together. Now, the good news about that is it suggests that the people around trump do take the presidential records act seriously even going so far in that example of it's believed if it's to be believed that they, they take documents literally use scotch tape to put them back together again. Going back to your original question of can the president engaged in certain kind of wholesale malfeasance and destruction of records to hide wrongdoing one by the letter of the law he cannot. But of course, he can skirt that there's not a good enforcement mechanism to there was some hope that the people around the president who doesn't keep all the important documents in his own desk and presumably can't destroy them all on his own. It would require a directive to others people not honor that directive because of their ethical obligations and also because of the Presidential Records Act. and. Third presumably, if the purpose of destroying records during that time period was to evade accountability from Alpha's there's an argument depending on what other proceedings may be underway or what Congress communicated to the president that that could be an obstruction of justice. So I think we will have a problem historians especially in trying to piece together everything that went on with access to all the president's records come time for them to be disclosed to the public after some period of years but it is. My is my hope that a wholesale destruction and sort of late night shredding of documents going into what I hope will be the inauguration of Joe Biden on January twentieth. Will Not come to pass. Is next question comes in an email from Brad you asks. Is there a requirement that the president make a pardon public? For example could he give Don Jr. apart pardon that isn't public. So a future prosecution charges him with, for example, tax evasion could just pull it out and make it public at that time. But that's a great and fascinating question. My initial reaction was, of course, it has to be public historically, it's always been public the purpose of the pardon when requested unusually at someone's request is so that that person can prove to another party or maybe an employer that they have been pardoned people don't like to be pardoned in secret. They want the world to know that they had been given this reprieve of some sort by none other than the president of the United States. So it doesn't come up very often. So given tradition in history I've always just assumed that there was a requirement that the pardon be made public because as a natural matter. That's how it works and you want people to know about it. In fact, if you go to the website of the Office of the pardon attorney that resides within the justice. Department it says quite plainly quote presidential grants meaning of pardons are a matter of public record. So immediately after presidential action, the name of each person granted a pardon or commutation along with the district, there were convicted in all sorts of other information is publicly listed on the office of the pardon attorney website. So that seems to suggest both history and tradition and common sense and the Attorney's own guidance seems to suggest the answer to your question is yeah, he's gotTa. Make it public. Within the team did a little bit more research and realized that doesn't quite seem to be a requirement for the pardon to be made public. The pardon is a broad ranging power with very little oversight. In fact, no oversight in virtually no limitation granted to the president in the constitution, and in fact, the greatest proof that there is no absolute requirement to make apart in public is the fact that members of Congress had introduced legislation to force a requirement for any pardon to be made public. You don't do that obviously unless you have a concern that the requirement you asked about doesn't exist. There are two questions implicit in your email with respect to the Don Jr. Hypothetical one is, does it need to be made public in two is can be preemptive in other words be good for future charges that have not yet been brought, and as we've discussed many times in the show, the president can absolve someone in advanced preemptively for misconduct against the United. States. Crimes Against the United States and most famously that was done by president Gerald Ford when he preemptively pardon Richard Nixon. So it's a crazy hypothetical that seemed a little crazy when I read it in your question, but it seems it's a hypothetical has some possibility but representative Roger Crystal Murthy and some others have introduced legislation that potentially can get past although I don't see it happening in the immediate future, and maybe there will be a constitutional challenge as well. Given the broad power of pardon in the constitution but it's an issue that has been highlighted but some others and I appreciate your asking it. Stay tuned. There's more coming up. Right after this. Pandemics protests and Justice Elections Quarantine Natural Disasters Twenty. Twenty is hard enough. But for millions of people treatment resistant depression is making even tougher suffering from symptoms of depression even after trying to medications is all too common. 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Give when you buy a pair and get twenty percents off your first purchase at Bomba Dot com slash prete that's B. O. M. B. A. S. dot com slash pre for twenty percent off your first purchase. Baba's dot com slash preet. Jon Meacham is my guest this week. He's a Pulitzer Prize winning historian. Who's new podcast it was said looks at ten of the most important speeches in American history. We talk about the power of political story and why President Trump's rhetoric has had such a damaging effect on our body politic. Jon Meacham. Welcome to the show. Thank you sir. Good to have you been wine at to talk to you about. So many things for a long time congratulations on your podcast. It's terrific. It was said, which dives into a lot of sort of famous and significant inconsequential political speeches from American history. Before we get to those speeches and your podcast, I want to address speech that you gave fairly recently you spoke at the Democratic National Convention. And endorsed Joe Biden is unusual and you said you spoke beautifully I thought it was a terrific speech and you said among other things quote if we live in hope we open our souls to the power of love you also said. With our voices and our votes. Let us now write the next chapter of the American story. One of hope of love of justice if we do so we might just save our country and our souls. My questions are what the heck were you doing speaking democratic national. And then second. What do we need to save our country and our souls from? Sure I was speaking. At. The Democratic convention because Joe Biden asked me I think this is an existential election I think is the most important election since sixty four. As a clinical historical matter, it's not a partisan point. I voted for Republicans I voted for Democrats I do what? I. Do not least because I found Ronald Reagan to be this extraordinary figure when I was a kid I'm George Bush Senior's Baga for the second George Bush's biographer. So an innocent BC so you figured out. You know So I'm not exactly a socialist but. I believe that as I, think you do there are fundamental American values and practices that are genuinely on the ballot. This year I was not an alarmist about the incumbent president I thought that. The power of our constitutional order and the durability of our political norms would provide guardrails for us as we went through this tumultuous populist period. And I'm worried that I was wrong about that and I think that we need to do all. We can to end this particular experiment and disruption because that's that's what the the president represents a disruptive force disruption can be good. It can also be destructive and I think we have veered into the into the destructive. What we need to save our country from is the triumph of forces that are perennial that are not going away. Depending on a given election or a given piece of legislation or given Supreme Court appointment. Given foreign crisis. Like human nature itself, the country has been shaped from the very beginning whether you date that beginning in sixteen nineteen or seventeen, seventy, six or seventy, eighty, seven, or eighteen, sixty, five, or nineteen, thirty, three nor nineteen, sixty, five wherever you want to start. The Forces of extremism native ISM racism. Greed selfishness reflexive partisanship economic self interest, all of these forces are doing perpetual battle against our better angels Santa as Lincoln said in his first inaugural I don't believe that the soul is all good or all evil my view which is slightly different from Vice President Biden's actually It's an important difference but not dispositive one I believe that the soul is an arena of contention in which our worst instincts do battle with our better instincts and depending on. Who Wins which win in a given period of time that becomes the period that defines the periods in which we live and when you look back. And you look back at the periods of history that we tend to commemorate and celebrate. Those are moments where we reached out as opposed to clenching a fist it's where we built a bridge instead of a wall. So who do you? WanNa be do you WANNA be John Lewis or do you want to be Bull Connor? Do you wanna be Margaret Chase Smith or Prescott Bush, or do you want to be Joe McCarthy? Do, you want to be Abraham Lincoln or do you want to be Jefferson? Davis who who are you asking? And The reason I asked who you're asking is in one of the values you speak about an American value that I think is in retreat, and that is very important is is one of decency what percentage of Americans care about decency in other words hasn't there been a strain always in American history in American politics. Of Equating what you might call decency with weakness I? Mean we have someone on the trump team. Who referred with the intention to insult? Biden? Referring to him someone like Mr Rogers who was an iconic? Decent Person. What has been the ups and downs of people in America. Carrying about decency. Perpetual. Look. I mean we? We owned. We defended a system of. Slavery until eighteen, sixty five, and in my native region, we lived under functional apartheid until nineteen, sixty five. So let's not get all sentimental about the American past the questions I was just framing should go to everybody everybody who has a vote because we know that our republic. From Plato through. Aerostat Uil through Machiavelli to James. Madison a republic is the the fullest expression of our individual dispositions of heart and mind. So we all matter in this, a president is in many ways a maker of our manners and morals, but he or she is also a mirror of them. Right. And so the trump people who are going to go down fighting in there about forty one percent of true believers. which is about seven percent higher than my the the watermark I keep in my mind when Joe McCarthy fell in late nineteen, fifty four and was censured by the Senate The Washington Post polled and thirty four percent of the country still supported Joe McCarthy. In nineteen, sixty eight, we always remember Richard Nixon winning narrowly over Hubert Humphrey by about a point. But that doesn't factor in the thirteen point five percent of us who voted for George Wallace for president fifty years ago. So fifty five percent of America in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight. Thought. That Richard Nixon or George Wallace was the right person. To lead the country. So I don't think there was ever a once upon a time in America I. Don't think there's ever going to be a happily ever after. In this, I am supported by no less group than the founders you know this, the Constitution was written assuming that human nature was fallen frail infallible. And we would do the wrong thing far more often than we would do the right thing. So what is the rule of law but an effort to manage and Marshall? Are Fallen Nature's and so when I frame these questions about who do you wanna be it's everybody. The question is who will rise up to that. That's exactly right but that's always the question. Eighty percent of the country in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine didn't want to sell arms to anybody after Hitler invaded Poland eighty percent. The battles over intervention versus isolationism in thirty, nine forty and throughout almost all of nineteen forty one. Or four more divisive than even the battles over Vietnam. Seven hundred fifty thousand Americans had to die. Before, we caught up with the rest of the modern world in abolishing human slavery. So you know our problems are. Difficult defining. Essential. But. That doesn't mean that somehow or another the journey to this point. Was Simpler and easier nobler. So you're obviously. Familiar, with the sweep of American history and you said something very strong. Remarking on the presidential debate, we've had one. I should note for listeners that recording with Jon Meacham on the morning of October nineteenth. This podcast will come out on the morning of the final debate between Biden and trump. But with respect to the first debate, you posted on twitter quote no hyperbole the incumbents behavior. This evening is the lowest moment in the history of the presidency since Andrew Johnson's racist state papers. In quote. So presidents have done some bad things. You've recited some history of bad things. That's not hyperbole. I don't think. So in terms of a public performance, Johnson issued a annual message and sixty seven where he said that black people were. Slightly paraphrasing but only slightly congenitally incapable of self government. Eric Phone or the Great Historian at Columbia calls it the most racist most blatantly racist statement ever made by an American, president. and. Yeah. I mean to to hector to bully to demean a setting in which Americans devoted to and. People who have died so that we could have self government. To behave in a way that makes a mockery. Of the capacity for. Informed. Choice. is to undermine. The very thing that was at stake at Lexington and concord and APP Matic's and in the Second World War and in the. Cold. War. Absolutely. So. We're at a point now on the eve of the election I during the election, we're on the eve of the election ending. Where some folks who our allies of the president. And have been tight-lipped about the president here, and there are beginning to seem like they're separating themselves from him. Some of them may be predicting a loss in the election for the president. You have the example of Senator Ben Sasse saying some things which some people think maybe intentionally wanted leaked to the Public Senator John Cornyn has said some things Do you think that will intensify in the near term and if president trump loses and presumably leaves office. What do you think will be the rhetoric and the posture? Of all sorts of Republicans who didn't cross him when he was in office, what's that GonNa look like you think in historical precedent for that kind of. disassociation. Well, there's a cinematic one I think of this is we're entering the Claude. Rains phase of of the era Where Claude rains played the vichy later in Casablanca who was shocked shocked to discover. There was gambling in the casino as he was swimming handed his winnings shot shocked to find that gambling is going on in have. We thank you very much everybody out at once. So there's going to be a lot of shock shocked You ask a very important question and one of the things about American history is. Americans tend not to look back. It gives me a job. So I'm all for it anyway So it's like lawyers you you you all kind of like people who break the law alright creates A good. Fred. I won't name but you know and I think most. Of Your listeners ninety, nine percent of your listeners would know a public figure who went back to practice law and I called him with a referral for somebody who was in trouble and I said you know I gotTa tell you. I think he might be guilty of this and this person said. Well. If if we excluded the guilty, we have no business. So. We don't look back very well it's one of our besetting problems because for instance, I think one of the reasons we are so shaped by both structural racism structural partisanship is that our collective disposition the majoritarian disposition. Both after the civil war and after the civil rights movement was okay. We took care of that. Let's move on right. Everybody wants to be Huck Finn WE WANNA light out for the territories were not as interested in when I say we again I mean kind of majoritarian prevailing position. You know unlike Germany unlike South Africa, we have not looked at. Our past in a collective and critical way, and you can see how uncomfortable that is for people in these very intense though somewhat Sideline debates over say sixteen, nineteen versus seventeen, seventy six. All right. So there's this intense debate in my world about the validity of dating the American founding from Sixteen nineteen and was raised the Central Force There are people who fight back against that ferociously who are not trump people and in the trump people who try to obliterate it. I'm too much of an Episcopalian to to say, one side of the others is absolutely right I. Think it's a continuum and a conversation that we should have and I wish. parenthetically that people wouldn't go after each other quite. So viciously when. The historical sensibility which I do believe has utility not just as an intellectual exercise, but as a cultural one and that utility is. If, we could fully examine what happened in the last five years I think that would be of benefit. If it's over and it may not be over right I wouldn't bet the mortgage payment one way or the other about nobody you. Certainly not You know I think the numbers are such that it's probably going to be. Okay. But we don't know. Who you know if it's close in a couple of places that had a significant number of absentee or pandemic balloting as I call it, you know people like the two of us who misspent our youths reading the Twelfth and Twentieth and Twenty second and twenty fifth amendments. You know will have a moment So we don't know we don't know what's going to happen but. If Vice President Biden were to win decisively, and my view is if he wins fifty three to fifty, five percent of the popular vote that's like Lyndon, Johnson or Nixon and seventy two or Reagan in eighty four given our structural partisanship, right? That's like the old sixty to sixty three percent. If that happens and and the president grumbles but accepts the result. Then, to go to your question. I think there won't be a lot of Republicans who will say as corn and apparently did over the weekend you know I I thought I could change him I had to stay in the arena. It could have been worse right? Never liked that guy that. I tried I tried a and the problem with that, and it's to be totally blunt I I'm I'm torn on it because you know i Winston Churchill made a vital decision. In May of nineteen forty, he became prime minister on the Friday, the the tenth of May and. People wanted to string up the men of Munich they wanted Chamberlain punished. They wanted Halifax. Driven out. and Churchill said, no. And the quote, the great line he was in the capital on December twenty are capital on December twenty, six, nine, hundred, forty one, and he was asked is day he gave that great speech about if my mother had been. English. In my father American I might have got here on my own marvelous speech. Is someone said to him in the hallways there? What are you? GonNa do about the men of Munich and Churchill said quoted in The Washington Post that day. If we open up a quarrel with the past, we shall surely lose the future. Western Churchill knew a lot and he knew more than I did. So I part of me wants to move on but Again you and I know a lot of people who recoil at that and. I think big problem. Yeah. People want accountability into as one that you're speaking about, which is some universe of claims of misconduct and malfeasance whether it was relating to what the report found or other things that we may not even know about or things that might happen during transition if Biden wins and those people talk. Very. Evocative Lee about criminal prosecution criminal liability as a debate that's probably raging a lot of places and then the other is political accountability for these Republicans who claim they never had any kinship with trump. Should. They be forgiven their trespasses also so that we move on. Or do we have a long memory? That's it's a wonderful way to put it I. Guess I'd argue a kind of Anglican approach One is demonstrable and this is your bailiwick far more than mine demonstrable violations or strong suspicion probable cause of violations of law. That's different. It seems to me than something like the corn and Sas Business or Lindsey Graham right? They were shameless and they've changed their obituaries. By their seemingly mindless support? cynical support of a president who was polling so strongly in their states. The reason for this is fairly straightforward and I know this from. Republican politicians in the south. You know they get presented polling data all the time and the polling data they're presented shows. That eighty eighty, five, ninety percent of self identified Republicans don't just support the president. They strongly support the president and that's a number. The strongly support category is something that George W. Bush only hit the last Republican president only hit in the weeks after September eleventh no one's ever seen a number like that. and. So if you're wondering why these senators you know in Casey, Hunter the Capitol Hill Reporters Stop Them. And why they sound. So horribly unthinkingly supportive of the president is because they've just come from reading those polls. So. That's one thing the mindless political support. Of someone who was self evidently damaging the experiment to which they had at least given a portion of their lives to being part of and so that that's one question. The, question of ongoing or collusion whatever the term would be with foreign powers to undermine the country I think that's a totally legitimate Of Investigation and potential prosecution and I don't think I mean correct me if I'm wrong. I can't remember a case where there have been ongoing post-facto investigations. Of An administration. The closest thing I can think of is there was a special prosecutor remember in ninety, two, ninety, three. Appointed Joe Digenova I think to investigate whether the Bush administration had improperly or illegally search the passport files the State Department. in an effort to prove that Bill Clinton had gone to Moscow as a as a student. He the only one I can think of from my experience is after Bill Clinton mark rich on the leaving the presidency right? That mild office in which I was junior prosecutor with time southern district of new. York lead by Mary Jo White did conduct a criminal investigation of the nature of that pardon and what was the result remember no charges were brought. There was investigation done it was closed so that I think that's a totally legitimate rule of law driven thing and I and I not that it would matter I would support. I'll tell you this I think that the character of the forty sixth president if the forty six president is Joe Biden. Is such that. I'm just guessing here but I think I'm right. He's not going to be wildly interested in that. He's GonNa WanNa get to pandemic under control get the economy growing again. And address these these longer term issues I don't think he's going to be. Terribly interested in that I could be wrong and the national security elements with with Russia and disinformation and everything else that may change. That Calculus. But, I, do think there is this American streak in our character, which is move on move on. And I understand why the anti-trump forces will be driven to stand against that right. But I think I think it's a deep cultural thing. A couple of things you said. Have, raised a question in my mind that I'd like to ask you before we get to your podcast speeches. New cited a figure of thirty, four, percent three or four percent for Joe McCarthy. At the moment I guess when he was censured by the Senate to show that. Significant percentage of Americans still supported this person. Who is being rebuked by his colleagues? I don't know what the number is today that would venture to guess because history is not been kind of Joe McCarthy. The percentage of support whatever figure whether it's a meaningless figuring out would be very low today. But he was not the president and he didn't give rise to. An entire philosophy of governing whether you want to call it nihilism or something else. Like trump has. If trump loses decisively and fades from the political scene at least he himself does. Even, though will have gained forty seven percent of the vote. Do you think do you think he will have a similar fate in terms of history's judgment in the longer term or because of something about his politics and or the fact that he became president will render his fate different Oh, I think Donald Trump will be a watch word and a warning about unchecked power. The threat of demagoguery and to quote James Baldwin. Baldwin once wrote that it allied with power is the most dangerous things. And trump prove that ignorance allied with power would put kids in cages ignorance allied with power would invite our rivals and foes into our political process ignorance allied with power. coarsened the political conversation beyond a point where a lot of us thought that it was couldn't anymore corroded, right? Trump's of a different magnitude than McCarthy, because he became President I actually think the right analogy here is this is George Wallace had become president. And when you read Wallace's speeches and sixty, four and sixty eight. Wiltrud, which were his two big national races Iran in seventy two but was was shot. You see these white demagogue forces unleashed and wallace kind of predict. It was kind of a forerunner of trump. Remember trump is fundamentally a figure of of sial. Unease in the country. He's either the last gasp or a penultimate. GASP. Of, anxiety on the behalf on the part of people who look like me, I'm a white southern mail episcopate. Who feel that are hegemonic. Power. Is. Fading. and to some extent argued in the past that trump's victory is in an odd and. Unsatisfactory way fundamentally proof that the demographic changes that are unfolding in the country are inevitable. That the ferocity of the reaction against it. Affirms the Basic Reality of the shifts that are unfolding. Gas is a last gasp or is it something that will last longer I mean I I it could be a last-gasp i. hope it is. It could also be one of a series right? We could be sure we could be entering into. An era of what I would think of as guardrail politics where we bounce from guardrail, the guardrail which we tend to do anyway. Right I. Mean when you think about it, it's kind of remarkable. I mean, think of the different people we have sent to the pinnacle of power even the last thirty years. George. W. Bush to Bill Clinton hard to imagine a stronger generational shift Clinton George W Bush two very different baby boomers. I didn't think I would live to see a sharper contrast from an incumbent is successor from George, W Bush. Barack Obama until in the space of. You know the twenty seconds or less. It takes to say the oath Donald Trump took over from Barack Obama. Right this is that's a sign of a big complicated country. That is true. Right I mean. We are complicated. We're big and we're complicated and. And Barack Obama was president. Four years ago today. That's a lie. I mean. I, think I think you're you don't understand the space time can ruth Bader Ginsburg died four years ago. I know isn't it? Amazing? Of course I don't want to ask you off topic a little bit is, is it the case that there has been that there have been more events as more eventful presidency than others or is that an illusion and if it's not an illusion is this period spawned more books by historians and any other presidential term I think. So the thing about the I think what you're getting at is every other American President I mean this every other American President Has had vision of the office where they marshaled their capital right they they knew they had a limited amount of. Limited productive claim on the public mindshare. President. Trump is the mind. Share. And so we've had incredibly tumultuous periods before me I think about nineteen, Sixty, eight just the year itself. Right you start with Tet MacArthur gene McCarthy surprises Johnson in New Hampshire with a strong showing Johnson gets out of the race that same week Dr King Killed Senator. Kennedy's killed in June Chicago Democratic National Convention forty-six Americans on average died in combat in Vietnam, in nineteen, sixty eight, and it ends when with US orbiting the Moon Right Frank Borman in those guys reading from Genesis yes. Oh, that's a hell of a year. But that feels like about two weeks in the age of trump and I think part of it, and it's a better social sciences glide will or somebody could could speak to this better than I could but. There is something. It's Heisenberg principle or something. It is true that because the events of the external reality beyond our consciousness because those events are chronicled. On a device that we keep in front of our faces all day long. I. Do think forces us to a level of engagement Or awareness with the broader world that is probably not. helpful the counter argument would be that that to fight it a demagogue like trump requires constant vigilance, right? The the old trope eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. And constant tweeting. That's helped although I I'm fascinated by I. Think one most important stories of the year and I guess it was this year to go to your point was the time doing an analysis of democratic twitter versus the Democratic Party remember this and how if you follow democratic twitter? You Know Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren was was the center of gravity. But if you've got off twitter, you realize that that Biden was was the answer. Hiring can be challenging, but ziprecruiter makes it fast and easy. One, CEO Ali, needed to hire for a multifaceted role it his wallpaper company walls need love. He was looking for someone who was the right fit for his team and culture, but his search was slow going. So he turned to Ziprecruiter ziprecruiter's powerful matching technology identifies the right people for your job and actively invites them to apply which is why you should try ziprecruiter for free at Ziprecruiter DOT com slash preet. That's how Ali found. 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That can be good because you look forward forward is hopeful men and women in politics and otherwise can remake themselves. You know because we don't look back Joe. Biden by the way was a dead presidential candidate multiple times going back. To I'm fifty, two year old man. Now I was in college when he ran and so that can be good and befits you know something that we think about in America, which is anybody can have a new beginning and a rebirth. That's all terrific on the other hand it does allow us to excuse bad things. One thing I know we get into hydrogen about at least commentators, historians and others. Is Hypocrisy and inconsistency and I wonder particularly in the context of this Supreme Court fight. You know so many people on the progressive side I think are understandably angry. That the very clear president lay down in two thousand, sixteen by Lindsey, Graham and Mitch. McConnell and others is being flouted, but they're getting away with it. How much of this idea that we don't look back well. Causes, US generally speaking in a way that maybe some people don't fully appreciate the American public doesn't care that much about consistency or policy does it Great Question. Apparently not. Not right I mean they're only you know. So we're talking about history and social science. So our data set the data can be murky, but we're, GONNA know allot in sixteen seventeen eighteen days. Right? We'll know whether the voters of South Carolina. End The voters of Kentucky find that hypocrisy to be disqualifying we will find out whether. The country genuinely believes that the presidency has come to. Be a force of distraction and disruption in a world that calls out for rationality and decency So we'll know. You're exactly right I mean a a apparently. Being consistent is not a it's not a huge thing and let me say this. And I don't know yet. So to be responsible you you. You can't be Glib about this someone like me can't be love about it. I'm willing to forgive a lot of sense in public life because. It's public life. It's life. You know these are not with the exception of John Lewis These are not saints right there centers who seek office. A man I admire almost above all others in American political history George Herbert Walker, Bush. Did things that were terrible in the pursuit of. He opposed the nineteen sixty, four civil rights act when he was running for the Senate in Texas, we don't talk about that much. He ran a brutal campaign against Michael. Dukakis, we can debate that for the next six days about how much of it was legitimate. I think more most people but that's a legitimate debate. So I'm not looking for perfection. What I am looking for and what I think citizens should look for is. Not Perfection in pursuit of power. But. You should assess how that power was ultimately deployed once it was amassed. And by that standard George H W Bush. For. Instance. Is An exemplar because once he was president, he made a series of decisions that he believed were in the national interest and he knew be. Doing harm to his political self interest. And I know this because. I've got the diary right I've heard him talking about it. He did tape recorded diary he raised taxes and nineteen ninety exchange for spending caps that helped create the infrastructure for the prosperity in addition to the tech boom of the nineteen nineties and he said as he was doing it, I'm probably dead meat, but it's the right thing to do. And so the You judge these folks on what they do with power by that standard the people you just mentioned have failed the test. Because the way, you know they got their seat, they did Obama in. And Mitch McConnell whatever you WanNa say about him in the raw exercise of power. People will be studying him forever. About how he did it. That will make him very happy. Make him very pleased. Well, it'll make them even happier is to is to defeat McGrath. And I just I just don't think we know I. Don't think we know. So I, want to talk about your podcast it was said. I will disclose to folks that I am student political speeches and obsessed with them from the time I was in high school when I would deliver them speech competitions at some of the listeners know. Though my first question you by way of background on the issue political speeches is this. Why do they matter so much and I know you say? Great speeches are not actually the norm, but it is true. And maybe this is throughout the world but I'll speak about. America for a moment. Someone comes on the scene. And they give an amazing eloquent. Speech. And American swoon and they say immediately I wanNA vote for that person I had a guest on the podcast. You may know him Cyrus be tenant governor in Washington that he made the point wants to say, which is unusual for a politician to say, he gave a speech wants to a group of folks who are not familiar with him. After which you know they were Waxing Reps. And said, we would vote for you should run for President Governor and his response to them was why I just gave a speech. Know anything about me. Because because I talked good for a little bit of time, you want to elect me to something that's happened to me on occasion What's the power of a political speech? Politics is fundamentally about seduction. Right. And so you were seduce the folks who were talking to to him. Were seduced in that moment. And what he was maybe he wasn't consciously pursuing it but they surrendered the one thing they gave him the one thing they could think of, which was their vote and their loyalty. There's a great scene and if you haven't read him, you would love him a ward just dino just fiction. No. Oh Lord This was worth your time just for this go by a book called Twenty One by War just J. T. and your listeners don't know him. He's probably the best Washington novelist novelist of power since Henry Adams wrote for Newsweek or The Washington Post left to write fiction in late sixties had been in. Saigon Vietnam. His books have Short stories they've titles like the congressman who loved Flaubert. It should have. Perfect. But there's a there's a story. It's the lead story in this collection twenty, one stories published probably ninety ninety, one called honor power fame riches, and the love of women, and those are the five great constellations that Freud lists I think in the twenty-third lecture in the general introduction to psychoanalysis. Maybe the twenty fourth, but it's one of those two. And those are the things that Freud said all men pursue honor power, fame riches, and the love of women, and it's a story about a candidate and upstate New York Congressman I. Think. and. Bobby Kennedy. WHO's in the Senate is a character in the story. And Kennedy gives a marvelous speech up in buffalo or someplace and gets back in the car and the congressman says my God. That was just electric. And Kennedy in the story turns to him and says, it's not electricity. It's sex. And so there's something to that right it. It's an elemental exchange. It is about both mind and heart so I think about Obama in Oh four. I. Guess since the Cross of gold or Reagan and sixty four, right? I mean that that's and go back and I love President Obama Right? He served his nation well is your patron I. Guess Ultimately Right you're commissioned officer weren't you of of I was appointed by Barack Obama. Correct. Okay. And so we love him but read that speech and it's not particularly profound. Force speech. We're. Not, GonNa marry I and I think That's one of the great orders and has other speeches. That were better. There was something about the timing of that speech that moment Sir and him right and him it's it's a more pedestrian speech. People remember right and the other great one to go watch is, which is also a debut speech is October twenty seventh nineteen, sixty four when Ronald Reagan bought a half hour about half hour forum for the Goldwater campaign. And it's he's impossibly on right. So in nineteen sixty, four Reagan was what fifty three was born in nineteen eleven and it sort of made Reagan's four years. Later, he almost beats Nixon for two years. Later he's governor of the largest state in the country and four years. Later, he almost stops Nixon at the sixty eight convention. It's a more interesting speech because it is pure Reagan. All right. It's as Cold War free market views Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be. He has told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Cold War and some day when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum surrender will be voluntary because by that time, we will have been weakened from within spiritually morally and economically anyway. Dancer your question I think they are in fact about the moment where you just said about Obama, they are written for. That point, in? Time. And it's vanishingly rare for either that point in time to endure or that point in time plus that speech it becomes even rarer for it to endure, and so the the ones we went over on the podcast with Chris Corcoran and his amazing folks at at cadence thirteen, which was their idea, right? I'm just I'm just as John Stewart wants sweetly called me I'm. Adore we compete. That's all I do. So I just wrote them but but they were with the idea you know John Lewis at the march on Washington Barbara Jordan at the seventy six conventions beach I remember Hillary Clinton in in Beijing Ed Murrow speaking out against McCarthy Meghan McCain's amazing. Eulogy, for Her Dad at the at the Cathedral, which is artifact you ask about books about the trump era Meghan Zyuganov and john the the two deaths the two. Three I guess big public deaths of the trump administration. John McCain George H. W Bush and John Lewis you could write a pretty good monograph. About what the public reaction to those fallen figures told you about what people were missing in their daily political lives? And so oh, absolutely I mean the the McCain funeral was fascinating to me in. So far as I don't think the president was ever mentioned and what was discussed were things like honor and decency. which were taken to be insults against the president. What does that say about what people think about the does that say about even the allies of the President La-. I'M GONNA. Tell you something I. Don't I've never publicly said and I think it's okay. So I was honored to President. Bush asked me to deliver one of his eulogies at the National Cathedral. And So that was that was the first week of December two, thousand eighteen. I had probably written it. A. Year before. Because he was sick for a long time. I had a a riff in the speech and the and the eulogy about. How a thousand points of light. was like Lincoln's better angels of our nature or FDR's nothing to fear fear itself. That these were companion verses in America's national him. Of. Choosing the right over the convenient the hard over the easy the the common good over individual gain something like that. I wrote that a year before. In the ensuing year. Donald Trump like Mr Magoo runs his car into a thousand points of light and start attacking thousand points of light. And if you remember this, he said. To me, I don't get it. Well. I was worried. That people would think I was trolling him. On. What was a state occasion about? A man I loved. And I wasn't trying. BE AN MSNBC Guy. I wasn't trying to contrast. Donald Trump with Georgia media just what it is. I have evidence it had been written before any of this had happened. And I consult a you know I asked the opinion of I won't name him but a a relative George H W Bush's who also served at President Nathan. Go Go ahead and say it if you wrote it. So I, I. Did it Abraham Lincoln's better angels of our nature. And George H. W.. Bush's thousand points of light. Are Companion versus in. America's national him. For Lincoln and Bush both called on us to choose the right over the convenient. The hope rather than to fear. And did he not worse impulses but our best instincts and the New York Times I think Maybe, the pose somebody wrote in their lead story that I seem to be lecturing Mr Trump. About what thousand points of light met But I kinda wasn't. A i. was lecturing the couch trying to help a country something and so this is I tell this long winded story. Partly because. It's evidence. Of how he has taken over Every aspect of our national life even when we're trying not to let him in right, we discussed earlier someone casting aspersions on Joe Biden by comparing him to Mr Rogers is a great documentary that I saw your that many people saw Yup and the reason I think it had the points that had. was because trump is president and it was such a contrast to the rhetoric and bombastic his president to be just decent an honorable and that you know I I had a similar speech experience myself. I gave a commencement address. That borrowed themes that I had written some years earlier when Obama was president about public discourse and about how we should speak to each other in America and multiple students came up to me afterwards. I. Really appreciated that indirect attack on Donald Trump I also have physical. That that, those sentences were written before Donald Trump announced for the presidency but you're right. That's how we look at everything. Yeah, and they do they look their. Speeches reveal the passions of the moment day at their best they illuminate the mind and motives and hopes and fears and dreams and concerns of the speaker and of the audience. And if that rhetoric endures, it endures because. It intersects with. Unfolding dramas certainly in the American experience yeah. Johnny, meacham thanks again for joining us the PODCAST IT WAS Wonderful and your book his truth is marching on John Lewis in the power of hope, we've been doing a lot of talking about hope today for good reason. Thanks and hope you'll join us against him. My pleasure. If I need a lawyer, you're my first call. All right I'm in. My conversation with Jon Meacham continues from members of the cafe insider community to try out the membership free for two weeks had to Catholic dot com slash insider. Again. That's CAFE DOT COM slash insider? Folks to end the show I wanNA talk once again about voting and the importance of voting. As you listen to this world twelve eleven, ten days depending on when you listen away from the close of the election, tens of millions of Americans have already voted. They've already cast their ballot for next president of the United States or senator or congressman but this year voting holes a certain special. Urgency, for many people and the signed so far about dispiriting and also uplifting on the one hand. It's terrible that people have to wait in long lines in the year twenty twenty to cast their ballot. But it's also uplifting and heartening to see records being broken. All time records being broken for early voting and people wanted to make sure that their vote counts that they can have some effect and influence on the future of the country. And it's hard for a lot of people. There's one story I wanNA highlight of how difficult it can be to have your vote count. You may have seen it in the Washington. Post, the story I want to relate is the story of James. Wendell Williams at Birmingham Michigan James at the age of seventy seven was determined to cast his ballot for vice. President Biden. When early voting started fairly early on September twenty fourth in his home state of Michigan. But his concern was he wouldn't live long enough to do so. You See James was battling a cancer that he believed would soon take his life. And he in fact, wasn't expected to live until election day November third. According to the story in The Washington Post quote. James. Felt the trump was toxic. He was especially angry over the president's suggestion that he would not accept the results of an election if you lost and quote and so James wanted to long enough to do something about it. The Very Day early voting started James's son and daughter-in-law brought him to city hall where they had coordinated in advance having his ballot waiting for him according to the post quote he moved slowly his face straining from the effort. His son David hovered close in that tentative way sons of elderly parents do to keep him from falling. Williams. Flashed a smile after the ballot fell in a triumph an quote. David has son remembered. He was really happy to tell people he had lived long enough to vote. James died eight days later. Here's more from the post quote after he was gone Williams's family learned his final vote would not be counted under Michigan. Law. Votes are tallied on election day in the state not as they arrive. Because Williams died before Election Day, his vote would be invalidated. About eight hundred fifty such ballots had been rejected for the same reason during Michigan's primary election in August according to the Secretary of State's office. So whether or not vote is counted in a particular state. Dies is determined by the election laws of that state. Some states like Massachusetts. Trying to ensure every voices counted in this unusual election if they vote even if they don't make it to election day to see the results. In early October, the Massachusetts legislature pass a temporary law to count votes from those who died after casting ballots in this election. To, strain so hard to vote at the end of your life, and then for that vote, not to count is heartbreaking. James's son had to say quote here's the thing. It pisses me off that doesn't count, but it really doesn't diminish what it meant to him or to us it's not that he thought his vote was going to change the election. He believed it was important as an example to his children and grandchildren. And he went on to say the way you use your energy. Particularly when you don't have much left, that is very true reflection of what you really cared about. In. Quote. Think about that. The way you use your energy. Particularly when you don't have much left. That is a very true reflection of what you really care about and that can be a message in the lesson to all of us. It is impossible to overstate what is at stake in this election. I believe it's not only the most important election of my lifetime, but maybe the most important election in American history. And James's story even though it has a heartbreaking conclusion. In more than one way. Shows US how much the American people care about seeing change in our country And look you know I. I haven't thought deeply about the policy considerations on both sides of the question of whether or not you have to live to election day for your vote account and have to think about that a little bit more. But I blush it is heartbreaking for someone who wanted so badly for his vote to count and tried so hard and straight so much to cast a ballot in this most important of elections. But what struck me most about the story is the dedication and drive to vote and to have your vote count. So I will never tire of saying if you haven't registered to vote and you still can in your state. Do So. If you haven't voted yet and you can vote early in your state do so. If you can request a valid in your state by mail and you haven't done so. Please do so. Not that you should need anymore inspiration to vote in this election. But if you do. Let the story of James Wendell Williams Birmingham Michigan Inspire you to. Well, that's it for this episode of state-owned. Thanks again to my guest. 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