19 Episode results for "Seven Nanometer"

179: Pixel 3 vs. iPhone XS: Which is *really* the Best Google Phone?

Vector Podcast

07:26 min | 2 years ago

179: Pixel 3 vs. iPhone XS: Which is *really* the Best Google Phone?

"Google pixel three event was strange and not that the pixel three itself leaked well before the event leaks, whether you consider them advanced shopping Intel or surprised, killing spoilers have only been getting more and more pervasive over the years. It was how Google reacted to them. That was strange instead of now. Stop me if you've already seen this. Google released a teaser video on the eve of the show heavily suggesting that no one might have seen it yet at all. It leads some in the community to believe the pixel three leaks had been some kind of elaborate orchestrated enormously expensive oaks or that Google had a secret. Third phone, a quote unquote pixel ultra that it was going to whip out and shock the world, but that didn't happen not at all. We got exactly what had been leaked and the expectation debt already huge became bankrupting jokes of s years, which have played apple every other release more recently, Samsung as well turned on Google hard, half an ac- year, whatever and hell hath no fury like the internet scorned at the same time in the wake of Facebook's downward spiral. Following the Cambridge Analytica scandal and seemingly ever escalating data breaches that have followed Google has faced increased sensitivity and scrutiny over privacy as well, including a now cancelled plan to sell facial recognition to the military for use in drones, a non cans. Suld plan to reenter the Chinese search market and the exposure incident all its own the day before the event which Google didn't disclose for months and didn't even address at the event. I've done a couple of videos already on how to delete Facebook, but now more recently in light of all this, a lot of you have been asking, how did Lee Google as well? I'm Rene Ritchie, welcome back to vector so happy. You could join me and here's step one the hardware now before all you Android aficionados, and Google of or start pouring your rage out into the comments. Gimme a couple of minutes here, Android is all about choice. And because of that, not using Android has to be evaluated as well, not for everyone, of course, but for those of you who were either so disappointed in the latest pixels or become so concerned with Google's direction that you want to explore a change, why just the hardware first software beat the Google play services that are increasingly being used to lock Android down or Google. Many other excellent services that are increasingly being used to keep people using. Google is a topic so big. I'm gonna save them for a separate video. Second. You may still be fine with Google service. But just went away to run them on an operating system that gives easier control over how much use to share with Google and on hardware supplied by vendor, namely apple, that's made privacy a top down front facing customer feature. Let's be clear any hardware you use will tell you into the company that makes it. It'll let them collect data intellectually on you and on what you're doing. So how companies handle that data and what they do and don't do with it are absolutely things you have the right to be concerned and care about since almost everyone who isn't apple uses Android, not using Android protects you if you feel you want or need that protection from every other vendor. That is an apple also using Google apps on iphone lets you choose which ones if any, you want to log into and which ones with a few notable exceptions. Of course, you don't go can still use all sorts of techniques to try and figure out who you are and what you're using or doing anyway, most forms of anonymity, most companies claim they give you is a charade if not an outright lie. And if you do have to log into a personal or work account for mail, calendars, contacts, or anything else, Google. To quote unquote helpfully log into other apps like maps to pull your location data when you absolutely don't have to allow that. But if you're consistently careful and conscientious, you could minimize your log in profile as much as possible. That's what I do. I have to use Google apps for work, which means I have to be logged into mail and calendar and I make YouTube videos obviously. So I have to be logged into YouTube creator studio, but I stay logged out of absolutely everything else, including the web maps and more. And when I do search tend to use Siri which intermediates my profile with apples obviously can't do that with Google assistant in facts. Every time I try to enable it on my pixel to excel. It demands give it permission to track my web and accused and wanted to client refuses to let me use Google assistant at all, even for Monday, things that have nothing to do with cracking me not using it is a super easy choice to make. If you do choose to go with apple hardware for your Google software, you also get the advantages that come with apple hardware, namely apples willingness to spend ungodly amounts of money to develop insecure processes that are. Sometimes years head of other companies. This year, I at emcees seven nanometer process for the industry leading eight, twelve bionic processor. So other results of combining the best all that panel process Samsung has with the best display technology. Apple has to provide something that really is the best of both worlds. You also get Apple's new camera hardware. Now, Email, legitimately think Google pixel still has the best camera software and that it can segmentation mask in blur and shake, and zoom better than anyone else. And that's a perfectly valid opinion. But you'd still only be one Google camera apper lease for away from getting a similar best of both worlds experience as well. Sure. Google may never do that. But history shows Google wants. It's bits everywhere, and I phone bits remain some of Google most profitable. That's why has so many Google apps including YouTube maps g mail, Google search chrome earth Dr translate ducks photos, music hangouts sheets, home Sligh's calendar, classroom snaps, heated. Duo voice. YouTube TV authenticated movies and TV inbox news, keep assistant, and the list literally goes on and on and on and on. If you want, you can legitimately turn the iphone into one of the best Google phones in the world, especially if you're definition of best includes a heavy focus on privacy and security. It's not going to be for everyone, especially those of you who didn't give me those few minutes. I asked for up top and have already started your rage comments, several threads deep. But I think increasingly in light of how pixel three was handled and privacy was mishandled, it will be more and more people. And if you're interested in how we got here from Google appearing on the original iphone launch age to each of them taking shots at each other on the current stages, then check out the book dogfight how apple and Google went to war for free by going to audible dot com slash vector or texting vector to five hundred five hundred. Once you hear it, you'll find out exactly who hit Google involvement with iphone from Andy Rubin and hit the very existence of Android from Steve. Jobs and yeah, started this all begin your thirty day trial and get that book or any book for free at audible dot com slash vector or by texting vector to five hundred five hundred. Thank you audible and thank you for checking them out and supporting the show. I'm gonna keep quoting this, but it feels like we're now in the same place with privacy that we were security back in the windows XP days. Not everyone is concerned and certainly not everyone is ready to make or pay for a change, but some are. And if you're one of them, I wanna make sure you have all the information you need to make the best possible choice for you. Now, if you really wanna rage have at it, I'd love to hear your opinion regardless of the bits or Adams you personally choose to use. If you do have concerns though, then I'd love to hear those as well along with what you're thinking of doing about them. So hit like hit subscribe, and then hit up the comments. And thank you so much for watching.

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Podcast #561 - Intel 10nm Desktop Plans, EPYC Supercomputers

PC Perspective Podcast

1:28:15 hr | 1 year ago

Podcast #561 - Intel 10nm Desktop Plans, EPYC Supercomputers

"Might not be completely accurate basically they said that there were like insider circles were reporting to them that the news this past week is some interesting stuff from Intel. Obviously the company's been trying very hard there was a German hardware site called hardware locks that I I don't know if they specifically said I was I was reading it through Google translate so last month or two months ago now I guess and The the question is when is ten nanometers coming to desktop and there was a leak this week that maybe it's not talk about today if you WanNa join us when we record live you can head over to pc dot com slash subscribe where we just have a mailing list that you can uh hard for several years to get the ten nanometers they finally got their with their mobile platform the Ice Lake launch well they got their in mass production with with ice like uh nanometer parts for the higher clock tire performance higher core count parts and isolate is limited to things that have really low base clocks and are as aggressive news first switching it up so we'll cover news first and reviews at the end except for weeks where there's like a major huge product launch or something but allude to this but it seems rather telling if you're buying into this anyway that they had to fill out the tenth jen mobile product stack with with time Sebastian peak and we're glad you could join us we normally record on Wednesday nights at ten eastern but we're daylight today we had a little bit of a scheduling the change to ten nanometer for desktop is still problematic that there's a reason they're just on mobile currently with Ice Lake and also get as much done as we can let me just make sure we're on the right section there all right so let's head into the news as we've mentioned the last few weeks we're we're doing Alexa Germany's not here today he's he's off but Josh's here and we'll have to leave he's got to go to work this evening because there's no what does it what does the phrase of with turbo boost so anyway they're saying that because the mobile processors at these lower clock rates on ten nanometer basically they haven't been able to achieve the clocks they want for desktop and this is claiming and there was a graphic gases episode five hundred sixty one being recorded Thursday October Seventeenth Twenty nineteen I'm Jim Janice I'm Josh Walrath we've got a district community there there's a link to join all of our show notes over at pc dot com slash podcast and if you WanNa Watch live when you get that email you can head we streamed to youtube but we also mirror that's dream at pc dot com slash Live alright well let's jump into the new sake as we said Josh that I I copied from their site that shows all ten nambiar desktop being canceled at least according to current road alien will be lost in the effort to keep up with amd on their current like generation of desktop CPU's with these prices wait shockingly and he had just released a video I linked to in the the news post about this where he was claiming that he had a slide not at least not for a while now of course until came out and had something to say about this but let's set the what's the what's the background of what happened here Sebastian next like say you know right before the holiday break will slip this in there is twenty twenty two but we haven't heard any of that your day the other day finally Intel responded with a single sentence statement quote we continue to make great progress at ten maps cancelled until twenty twenty two when they're moving to meteor lake at seven nanometer and this is all speculation of course so it's it was interesting it's been reported all over the place this comes on the heels of a door. TV's latest video and if you're familiar with him I'm David shores and and then dull Chattan about Delta nanometer and I mean both those guys have the opinion that it's youtuber very much on the amd side of things typically it's been very critical of numerous outlets for their reporting including us that one staggering. This would be if this was actually true when Tom's hardware pick this up I read about it through tech power up going around I watched this the entire day I thought I got an email me Mir ppc and our discord chat keeps me on my toes and speaking of discord if you want to join our community let's approaching the twenty nineteen and they still don't have a process that they can believes mass amounts of of deaths so they've had problems with ten nanometer but could they potentially continue on with fourteen hundred meter plus plus plus Sky Lake for two more years you could be really cynical and say okay well you could interpret our current roadmap as while yes the last publicly released road Kinda size and in theoretical performance The ten nanometer is actually supposed to be better than TSMC's seven nanometer but TSMC's actually got and they've done billions of dollars into it to get to work and it's combination of of you know just lithography and guess July to expand on that yes the arm conference talking to Charlie and other guys apt that we showed to media but maybe the revised one we haven't revealed yet or the roadmap that will be announcing next on this day anything like that I think the last I heard was that they were only coming in twenty twenty or even twenty twenty one x-generation promises all these things but you know it was originally supposed to be start you know shoving basic chips in the end of Twenty fifteen and join we we sent out an email when I remember about an hour show before the show and I've been pretty good I think I've gone out here there was one you know they can scale it out at lower you know clock speeds but it just isn't going to get spanked ran by walk up there and ten meters just is does not seem like it is economical for Intel and they're probably going to see read that shows Intel is now going to I don't know if it was that they're spending three billion that is going to cost them three billion in profits or what it is but three we knew they weren't releasing ten Amir desktop this year but anyway whether it's actually I mean would you buy into this gym at all Josh like I mean it doesn't clock very high power is is really odd bins and yields or not fantastic for more we understand so you know we're we just we need we need official statements I guess and and public road maps that show us when they're actually coming my well for them Nook is the nook platform is a desktop platform and a nook form factor would be you know very deep the process around for a lot of these mobile parts because as we've seen the mobile stuff just doesn't clock up there I mean it works fine in in in in Lopez our but you know it's not going to boost up very high and I think after you get to a point it just starts consuming more and more power even though you know density is good I the rome-based epic and so yeah it's yeah it would not surprise me if they did some very basic lower our I three type pen and possibly pentium based on ten nanometer but I just don't see the the kind of mean you know the the Max clock speeds and power consumption in all these other things that now ten nanometer just just hasn't delivered for these higher in parts no rest for the weary the wicked the wicked thinking kit now we're okay whatever but josh will be leaving with his show but we'll still got a lot and there are probably focusing a lot of their work on on getting a new seven nanometer that will be competitive because you know in terms of overall here's our latest nook and it's it's ice like Tiger Lake you know we know that we've seen leaks about tiger lake coming to Nook so maybe maybe that's how this goes well yielding product that You know hits kind of all the benchmarks that they need for that I mean you know germs power you and I as I believe I think Bashar mentioned this when he was initially discussing but one of the speculations about interpreting Intel's PR's response was now I mean they're trying to get as much product on the market Guys like Dell are starting to really push the epic servers I mean not as much as Zeon that's what we talked about recently so apparently they're just getting more aggressive with pricing and don't have that next product to release we already knew that good debt choice here but the window of opportunity I thought amd would only have six to nine months maybe a year before would intel that they'll have some process advantages over Intel and they'll continue to increase designed so yeah Intel's looking ever going to make a Zeon out of it just because you know you're looking at a part that it's GonNa be a hundred and fifty two hundred watt t. p. it could make a lot of sense for what they're able to bring that Amelia and so maybe that's their way of getting around it you know saying desktop hey here's nanometer and our current roadmap tenant of meter products includes desktop and quote they didn't say we're on track they didn't say these products are coming in either way you know the they already had roadmaps out and leaks out talking about a twenty twenty one release reten nanometer mainstream desktop outside you know they've they've got to convince the CEO's and the and the buyers of those enterprise type of applications that amd as is a good you know some of the other characteristics are fine but it just doesn't have enough to get them up into these higher TDP's I have no idea if they're `tatoes desktop market sixty five watts and above able to be competitive in terms of the economics also along Intel has so many different revenue streams it's this is this is the source of so much of the frustration in the hundred att so maybe th- Maybe it was late twenty twenty one and these these rumors are pushing them to twenty twenty two view of what you have to do at seven nanometer so yeah I know that I've kind of gotten off onto a tangent when comparing until day would come back with something that could be but it's now looking like two years down the road maybe even two and a half that amd has twenty twenty one they're going to do that they've they're feeling that the I mean they're not bleeding bad but they're they're starting to bleed to amd and amd right now tops and an end higher wattage products and so that's why they had to keep going with forty nanometer plus plus plus plus plus plus who knows what I am and how you view that in terms of morality and competition and all that is up to you but this is this is gonna be really interesting if how can just kinda sustain some blows here and take that time to to compete so just making a Astros Yankees referenced Peter Hi Ends eons why that's a that's a big deal for amd it is and as you said you know Intel we'll compete and yeah but I mean you can't talk about one without the other especially if Intel is unable to do a ten nanometer desktop part and probably know ten nanny but I think a lot of sense like if they're going to be end of twenty twenty one why not save it in there would be like they're big you know C. E. added graphics but you know he's going to have a size advantage are gonna have some some other process node enhancements like especially with some other gaming focused journalists and analysts and so they are pushing to bring out this okay now I always remind myself how do you pronounce the and it may be going to seven for their mobile variant eventually but the leakier from from Digit Times that we're GONNA due to make and and they potentially could improve yields because you're going to have fewer mistakes and in in lift out just because of the complexity the seven nanometer plus coming out next year which uses a UV for a couple of the the the lower layers in lethal kind of dim I mean there's still going to compete they're going to have good fourteen manmade parts are going to be fast compete on IPC either going to improve their integrate eh Claude maddening I believe and and and a lot of the materials that they put in a just just doesn't work in theory and on paper supposed to be this this graphic that adored had in his video this purportedly leaked slide I mean I love this the piles of cash because it is true as he struggled enthusiast space amongst users against Intel we're being practical here Intel his is just they've got they can they can stand to lose billions of dollars for year after year and I think we saw that with their price cuts on cascade like axe and Zeon w they they can do that and and amdy can't MD's got got a hit anyway if you're watching live it is three to one astros in the bottom of the fifth inning win they go up three one awesome all right we sang these next year mid twenty twenty is the the the leak about when we'll see this entering the market and this leaker says timeframe news release and excitement and all that stuff we'll play can push it to the end of first half holiday season it'd be probably a sub two hundred I think the rumor was ten eighty P gaming at sixty sixty hertz and so it's going to be a they'll have next year for their next Jan second gen already based product So what would you guys think about this one yeah it seems like GonNa they're gonNA hit mainstream gaming I of course they're also working on enterprise variants for for GP accelerated computing and machine learning small chip and it probably is going to be pretty low power overall but for GP like this it's not bad I mean they can always you hiring including our very own Ryan shrout now not he's not exclusively working on on the side of things but Tom Peterson from Nvidia a couple of other people from MD here which will be invidious next product which I think is at seven right from seven and then amd's fifteen hundred maybe two gigahertz because you know Intel does a tremendous amount of of hand lay out of their designs and so interesting to see and it's you know when you start down this alley of were designing a graphics chip and we're going to use or Samsung and we're GONNA go with those foundries just to get product out the out the door doesn't doesn't work that way especially with Intel so they'll probably run perfectly fine they've improved their drivers this is one thing that curious what there is news and we're GONNA really model it on our ten nanometer you can't really stop with that design and say okay we're GONNA go to seven nanometer with TSMC so it's it's spelled x y z Chee Zooey Z. so the they've code-named their graphics initiative as as Z X. E. fielded out kind of wider and You don't have to clock him up up to you know for four and a half gigahertz and so you'll be sitting at the and all that stuff but it may be a mid range launch next year and if it's at ten nanometer that'll be putting it up against of course amp in this on when everyone else in the industry uses one of the dedicated foundries to produce jeep us until yesterday and that's of course Intel's upcoming discrete graphics initiative you know they brought in Roger Kadoorie couple years ago and then of course we had a it's a ten nanometer GP split between ten atoms for sure on their discreet side of things and then amd so far has just announced and will soon apparently have some sort of added at that point do they have something advanced enough to still be competitive with whatever nvidia and amd have in another year is taking on GP manufacturing in addition to CPU manufacturing so kind of interesting also all play out sleep not very workable you know it it the least they have in place where they can start putting out chips but tonette meter has been a struggle for them so far so what capacity or they're going to be releasing these will this be like a limited release in the middle of two thousand twenty two nanometer kind of amazes me that they're taking appease are I mean they're probably will never go into that kind of detail of what these GPO's will be like but yeah it's going to be kind of they'll certainly make it price-competitive the we just saw amd release of course none of this really matters we're talking mid next year when they could probably somehow make it worth their while to get you know a little bit higher up maybe get higher priority if they really wanted to and then they're gonNA go back to like dual pattern quad patterning I know all the details but they should be you know a little bit cheaper so that's and then obviously they're they're not targeting the same thing it's a different package different clocks different technologies but they just simply can't really fulfil because of issues with it and market and for not nanometers I mean they're they're fourteen nanometer fabs are are going full speed and they're still trying to catch up with several different markets with the availability will be like what we saw from the rumors of stream supply places like DMC that that may be intelligent editor chief who works at Intel now maybe he's bringing balance to the force what if Ryan is the chosen one we and it's not coming until while they said twenty twenty an hour hearing mid twenty twenty at least from did you times usually gets their information from the supply chain so partner availability for their new mid range to the gaming GPA the why am I forgetting already the fifty five hundred the our expertise five hundred so got to get on base every swing and amd can take a few a few innings where they don't score a run and still come out they've got the time they've got the money in the I'm sure that will be superseded by something by the time until comes out with their product I worry about these longer development cycles and they've been very public about the fact they are developing at a screeching oh I wasn't I don't really follow the blurbs ball as it's yeah I I believe it will be interesting to see I don't think it's GonNa knock anybody socks off but it should be mostly competitive him as the adorable Anikin type but he went over to the dark side he's with the empire now at least you know sided with them so what if what. AMD who was once the tiny little rebel alliance just a little rag tag group they're gaining market share on the CPU space and is is Ryan purcell insurance in video will have some new replacement to the sixteen fifty which is kind of their mainstream card sixteen fifty sixty somewhere in there as your two hundred dollars card saver battle apparently the job who's slightly higher on a ledge will always cut the legs off of the other Jedi well it yeah it to be a fly on the wall at the board meeting when they start talking about process technology and fabulous and neo should they go with a third party epic processors but here's another one for you it's the the UK government funded cray archer too so this'll be I will let the next story here and this is I don't think we had initial coverage on this but digitize had a report just today or no for amd we've we saw a few earlier this year being powered by amd these latest Gen and and in some cases with the announced early announcements of upcoming Jen NB epic Rome processors clocked at two point two gigahertz and a mere as Germany says a mere one point five seven pedal bites of system memory. Daddy let's let's keep going through the news before Josh has to leave switching over to the MD side of things There's another supercomputer win that would be pretty fascinating yeah I think I think it would be more than fascinating I think there'd be people who are losing their jobs right and left but you know it's funny the Penta Flop Barrier and here we are just just crushing it then so the the register has more that works out to around seven hundred and fifty thousand cores good for about twenty eight Peta flops I mean this seems like yesterday we broke a product instead you know these these things that are going to you know work better and that lower wattage is and you can you know put powered by epoch Rome there's going to be let's see here fifty eight hundred five thousand eight hundred forty eight compute nodes each packing sixty four core was the superior swordsman or if you he had a better technique but OBI wan just cut him out I mean very fast desktop processors but oh well and remember we're still waiting on the three hundred fifty x which is coming I think it's just because they don't want to use another fact that they're sort of they've got they've got passively at the ten nanometer it looks like been really really well they've all been going into epic because that's their higher margin part and they're gonNA make a lot more on this unrelated to the GP news but on the side of things think about this and you know our own as Jim alluded to our own Ryan Shroud Former he was the founder of PC respective I don't WanNA end up like that they don't want to be competing with apple or amd or in video for space so by controlling is it that they don't want to compete for space money per chip than they will with shopping into a fifty five hundred dollar You know to Chip Lit twelve core twenty four three modern epic chip that's where they're going to put a man and they're going to sell them for what is their top end one twelve twelve grand something like that edge of the triplet approach now it's it's working out really well for them if if not a little bit frustrating for enthusiasts like me WanNa buy very I can't seventy seven forty two is seven thousand okay but still it's it's a lot more numbers than I six a dollar you know five hundred dollar chip with two of them suggest I believe you said the the are nine fifty five hundred it's the thirty nine hundred yeah that's true because the higher ground everything even though we're talking Djeddai who can manipulate themselves in the air and can see the future metered working why fix what ain't broke you know so well no I just WanNa know higher ground but that that bodes well for a clock speed improvement in addition to the inheritance thread new thread ripper cooler that came out on the thirty nine hundred numbers no worries anyway just if we don't correct it we'll get someone else will will offer to correct us oh that's great news for core clock speeds right at those higher core counts I mean you're GonNa need some good cooling and it's not going to be for everyone pretty sure that the reason why we haven't seen as many are nine fifty nine hundred which will also get a little later is the chip let's see right back and said you know for use with CPU's with course from thirty two to sixty four two hundred fifty to two hundred eighty watts TDP supposedly by the end of November we're waiting on an official release date for that yet yeah yeah if you missed was it last week show they delayed it but it'll be coming out with her yeah so anyway they're probably chip in a lot of a lot of these chips to you know supercomputer guys Dell's whoever yeah and as as you said that that's the key but it looks like they're going to maintain that core count at least an initial launch is the topic bought the TD P goes to two hundred eighty watts. I think I saw interesting so you think if they have a three per sixty four but that higher it depends I mean if it's you know it's it's lesser binned chip gen thread ripper which also got some leaks this week about some court amounts actually I don't think we have well let me address that I don't have a slide pulled up for it I'm not sure if we I'm personally sabotaging ten nanometers that what's going on did as chief performance strategy city say you know what my performance strategy is stick to fourteen yeah but now sixty four at six at to learn it would be interesting too but I think that might cannibalize or that might conflict too much with epic Everyone welcome to the PC perspective. I I I don't think I saw something about that I don't recall what the details were but yeah it was it was it it it it foreshadowed some of the at least the TDP side of this ells on Archer to So if you WANNA check that out we'll have a link in the show notes to that came to go covered that but there were leaks about third Gen threader and it looks like from the leaks that it'll be well these are the current section tops out at thirty two cores I'm not dissipated that I guess I'm hearing yeah I don't see a problem with that the Luik that I saw was actually just on twitter EPI sack the usual at blitz that they can crank up to two hundred eighty watts versus you know higher quality ones that are at two hundred watts that go into the high end epic upgrade for you there all right next up we've got some news from Nvidia four dual core or for linked core I don't remember the exact technical distinction but they weren't truly native eight cores and so there was a class action a bit of controversy around them because they marketed them as the first native eight core processors but in reality they were and you can file your claim to get your your money now again also like class actions and many of them that's not guaranteed California it's up to three hundred dollars a chip because California's better consumer protection laws and you can head over to a website that the attorneys amount per person it's a single pool that they've allocated based on an estimate of claims and so if if more people claim they were expecting they could as you guys probably remember the quake to rt X. addition came out and it was pretty incredible pretty fun and it's free too as long as you have the positive for you depending on what you bought as we know a few years ago before the rise in Renaissance AMD had bulldozer and piledriver CPU's that had Out and the claims could either you might not get anything or everyone would get slightly slightly less so if you are in this class and you're interested in pursuing this head to that website for the class class action of setup which is there we go amd CPU SETTLEMENT DOT COM rebuilt system but it shows Andy Rice in three thirty nine sixty acts twenty four core processor so it looks like the branding would then be breath alright so sticking with amd although in a slightly less positive note although maybe go from thirty nine fifty x which is sixteen core and then threaded apparently would pick it up from there lawsuit as we tends to be with this kind of stuff and there's a settlement that they agreed to I guess it depends on where you are so a- and check it out and see if he can get in there and hey three hundred bucks that could go a long way towards getting you a nice rise in three thousand system going so likely pretty big you can you can get the demo for free or you can download the if you have the base of game you can download the RT X. enhancements on top of it and some job postings oh clock speeds pricing so yeah and I I can't find that happy sack tweet at the moment but I'll have in the join us it's the Daf challenges posted in there in the public other go see we'll put together with the stuff links over at Nvidia not noticed by Texas have indicated that some additional classic Games may beginning the Arctic treatment base specifically play with with anything any controller in just a chrome based browser or operating system you'll be able to start playing November nineteenth at nine am the X. that'll be the thirty two core part this time around but we're we haven't seen like this actual of they haven't named these products that we nothing to look forward to more you know I mean we've got modern stuff with artifacts and as we've talked about it's sometimes hard to notice a difference or at least it's the difference doesn't end up being worth I stadium Google's upcoming streaming gaming service that was announced earlier this year we talked about it at that time and we now have a release date it's going to be November are nineteen th that's when if you ordered those initial kits the what do they call and founders kit the founders edition and Premier Edition Pacific so You know we've got a lot of questions about this and we we know that Microsoft has their service coming up and that's already started testing in half life two doom three and portal as possible candidates for the upgrade so nothing guaranteed but these were job postings and videos light speeds data centers but they haven't really done this sort of real time latency dependent Kinda stuff the reports we've seen seemed indicates good but every time I've seen a report see football to me are well I know you've got to leave so let's quickly hit this last story before Josh has to head off and that is of course stadium and in graphical the -delity and especially you know just the natural way that they presented light in there and so that'd be really cool if they could do rt ex will google does have a great reputation with sticking with things obviously and they don't have any any particular expertise in real time streaming they do a lot of video and they've got make artifacts half-life to be awesome because thinking the lighting that that hadn't thousand four and how it compared to everything else I mean doom three was out yeah those will be shipping to you for a rival and then you don't need those to play that's the kit that includes a specialized controller and chrome cast but you can mortal combat eleven kind keen I don't think I've heard of that game you still kind of look the same I mean they prove the textures quite a bit but it's still the same gameplay but boy does make it look really interesting and studios which was involved in the in the quake demo and some other software demos that Nvidia has released so just yet at launch it looks like the first four to launch will be red dead redemption to our which is interesting because that is also the PC release window for that game but it basically sounds a little bit like they're anticipating what you'll be doing next and actually initiating the thing on negative latency that they're talking for this I put it in the show notes it's the PC games and article where their VP the sea and we know the pricing is is going to be I believe ten dollars a month for the base service but that's just access and the right to stream with the service that doesn't it but he got older games like this that could reasonably well on your twenty seventy twenty eighty yeah you don't have to go all out it's it's worth looking into for half light deal was that a text from John Tarmac saying hey come on doom was good now it's a guy complained about case engineering says that due to pre cog trickery Google believes it streaming system would be faster than the gaming systems of the near future no matter how powerful it become it's been from somebody living like just down the road and Santa Clara from their data centers so we'll see how things go out here in the Midwest and other locations but and Paul Thurrott over at threat dot com he was talking about his experience in the initial testing for xbox streaming and there's a lot of questions I mean include games or might might include some games like that they throw in but basically this is going to be like you're renting a PC effectively thirty nine sixty exhibition twenty four part and then I'm assuming that I mean I would assume there'd be three various maybe there was just to maybe the next one would be like the thirty nine ninety winning struggling with windows server updates and and whatnot and we're also going to hear from our sponsor this week so good night Josh and we'll be right back to the sponsor is capterra the leading free online resource to help you find the best software solution for your business what if you could make your work take less work you can with Kevin Tara Capterra helps you find the right software for your needs fast so that you can get back to business even 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easily comparable list of pricing licensing terms they've introduced I think it started with consoles and then expanded a pc but basically the there's a built in emulator web browser based emulator slap into the new and and we'll see but we're gonNA take a quick break now we're going to say goodbye to Josh so everyone wish him a happy so that means cashing like seven hundred gigs in your browser which can be a problem for systems with limited memory systems with slower internet data caps. Yeah Yeah we've talked about two there's going to be a transition period here I mean I I don't think and I hope that local games won't go away but they'll be and you have to bring your own games through various services and we've seen that model before with like G. Force now the other note here though is that it's not going to have all the games available way way I've I've I've used the extra DOS system which uses launch box as its basis lunchboxes unrelated to that it's just a multi game lawn and they're taking the Games within that that catalog and they're they're bringing them online at the archive as they talk about in this this okay this is from the stadia announcement here well whatever but and destiny to definitely to the collection we're here at pc per we needed a new link shortening service to help us easily share links to articles in places like social media and podcast show notes with Capterra we found dozens of there's there'll be a limited choice that I was going to be early adopter thing it's going to be heavily dependent on the quality of your Internet connection but we're checking out and if it works well that's great you don't want to download and manage that this is a good way to go just to check out some some DOS games and like I said it's legally great for additional opportunities to to play games without having to lug around all that local hardware did you see by the way speaking of the state mm so you know what what kind of damage there could be if you're playing a game that you can't buy anywhere so do you think rockstar games cares if somebody plays lemmings in their browser nine games that account for the latency and it probably will never be the the quite the same but you can create an experience that is yeah I mean I it is it is an issue as with everything it's an issue of of whether it's worth it for some of these companies because they've got to retain counsel who's got to go out and INC's application but they they package it in to help you organize all these DOS games and that's pretty good but if you don't want to download I think it's five or six hundred gigabytes and back to the show we as we were talking about before the break there artiach maybe coming to some some classic PC Games but if you WANNA get e if it's not commercially available you know in in in the American judicial system you have to show damages for a civil suit with the emulator and then also of course is is the as you get into the nineties you get CD-ROM based Games which can be one hundred megs and they've got a cash this stuff to Go to archive dot Org because apparently Jim thinks pirating I find the Internet archive to be a valuable resource for all sorts of ISO files that would otherwise be difficult for me to find even include high resolution scans of all the supporting documentation for the software that I find well actually that is that is a good point for the US program which is a legally grey effort to compile all the DOS games ever and you see per that's C. A. P. T. R. A. dot com slash PC per capterra software selection simplified And so they say basically just I mean they they have those that you can do it but if that's a problem for you maybe just avoid those CD games for now until they figure out a better billable there I mean go there and do it and support programs like that to encourage developers to partner with organizations like that to bring these games back but if it's not there tossed box to really make these program shine on a modern system and there's other things you can do to like you can get freely available and here's the thing they're they're making some progress I think they've got over seven thousand and it's this huge multi hundred gigabyte thing that the that they distribute through using that and things like that and way but it's pretty pretty cool you can head over browse through a bunch of the Games and you just click in it it fires up an emulator right there in in your browser and her I mean I I don't know I know at one point day themselves gave away like Gta the original GPA you could go to their website and download it what the liability is there and then even less so for individual use like I'm not saying go out and pirate the latest games but you know some of these months which is a Midi emulation program that specifically does the Mt Thirty two find you and then they're gonNa sue do you have any money and you know so it's not a nonprofit like the Internet archive I I don't know Ebay and somehow get around dump off of your personal Mt Thirty two to make you know scum vm work or to make dos box work with route and and I don't know what kind of damage you could you could demonstrate as the if they can even find the right shoulder to some of these old eighties and early nineties game yeah so it's GonNa leave it up to you I obviously I I'm a big Fan as we've talked about I've bought hundreds of games from geology over the years and if it's quests yes looking at the shot here I mean I I like Jodi to the Nice thing is unless you're willing to sometime we talk freely available and old previously licensed commodities not just the games but things like the the sound you there are some games that are in the collections that are still commercially available but there's many that and and that's my view is especially for those I want to listen to the sound of those old games that supported it probably not but all the stuff is out there it's just you always run into these wants the ROM files from the MT thirty two the Roland module where few scum vm or if you use dos box and of configured it to US geology makes all that stuff easy because they have the reconfigured dos it's all wrapped together in a nice installer like whatever CPU cycles whatever settings needed Kaif's game I'M S DOS game archive no we we talked about this it's been I think a couple of years now but yeah the the thirty two and an se fifty five mark to an-and se seven I think those the modules I own a variety of sound cards that I play around with all this stuff games can I am else Jim I'll say it I feel like that's what you're implying soldiers say it I recommend all of our viewers and listeners especially yeah yeah so it's easy and the stuff is usually really cheap because there's a sale it seems every week so definitely not he's older games that have that kind of copy protection where you've got to look in the manual match color they do include that through yes and it's very it was the thirty two I think but you have to have those rob filed for it to work so are you going to buy a MT thirty two issues where it's either you go out and your nut like some people I won't mention who have a variety of old PC's around me right now and I own an MT couple of exceptions that it's a little wonky or it's not original but by far it's it's your it's your best bet and as you said they're not are can't find it anywhere do what you gotta do I I don't know but yeah you can finally be kings it's like three times a week you get an email saying hey seventy five percent off strategy games so it's that or I'll get an email saying items search for Internet archive DOS Games that'll probably get you there but we'll have links to those specific archive and it's it's pretty cool it's based on the ex- Oh dogs whenever I have time which is almost never but for most people dos box is a great solution but you do have to have some knowledge and not every game works with all the same settings do not terribly expensive it's a couple bucks and they all and as you said they often have publisher sales or genre sales I mean if you subscribe to their newsletter there's good old games and yes I've been buying stuff from them for I mean it's got to be close to ten years now and some stuff has come and gone display it in a browser and there are potential issues some conflicts and things as you discuss if you would like a better experience than there's some tweaking and some things you can standalone installer that will were completely offline and it works without any server check or anything so you can and that's what I've done post about this edition it's as I said it's not perfect there's some games that don't emulate well if some issues with like keyboard collision where the browser is fighting for keyboard input to run that game they probably have it working like you could actually get wing commander one working if they have wing commander and I haven't checked recently but hard game I couldn't find it I was frustrated because I wanted to buy it on Geo G. my solution was to Ebay the CD-ROM so I I don't on CD-ROM and I have to install it on but let's move on here the next story up is is Google and they've got the pixel four obviously was I imagine it would be fine do they sell do you know Jim do they sell like Lennox versions of some of these old DOS games I know that didn't work for the other do okay got you know on one of my Nassar's is my backup of Joji installers so if that service ever goes way or a game gets removed or whatever system old enough to run it which is not for everybody obviously and of course the other advantage of Joji in general I'm sure hopefully most of you have heard had a ton of experience with their Lennox side of things except for when I was experimenting with Steam Machines a few years ago but the Max stuff works great windows stuff obviously works great there's a space ones because the the right rapid in dos box which is universal and and package it that way but it's it's pretty good I it's not I haven't you can doubt in automates downloading does friends and achievements and stuff and in their most recent release the two point Oh version it also can pull him games from steam and even track your originally which is because some three D. because of like the right thing and and that's that's where I come back into the like and and pull it out and Google saying you know that approach isn't doesn't make sense anymore especially when you look at things like the Oculus quest that are you know it's it's I don't know if we actually ever reviewed it I know that before the transition here at pc per the old team got a couple of these in As like oh I can't buy it from you then I'm GonNa have to go somewhere else has can't can't go a year without playing Duke Three d allows you to use your phone as a supplement without having to completely lock you into the the our mode so I know uh the unit so I don't know if we actually published anything at that point but you know we took a look at it and I tried it out and it it worked for what it was if you had a compatible phone Pixel Foreign Pixel xl believe Sebastian. You and Patrick talked about that earlier today on this week in computer hardware so you might want to check out that show we're not going to go a phone in there and Scott wrote this up for us and he mentioned you know he uses his daydream at night he puts it on and can lie in bed and watch videos to relax and not have to be I've always got a version I can play and there will never be any dram to prevent that so I I'm all in support of supporting I'm in favor of supporting companies that take that approach art for daydream which is Google Yar headset adapter like this this is basically a glorified cardboard but you know I think Google's got a point here I mean you don't you don't ever WanNa see features taken away but this approach to VR Ar is not the future fits it's it's worth buying gee if you have a windows or MAC computer I honestly don't know what their Lennox support is like I'm sure PPC in the check it let me know but it's it's going to be the standalone stuff I think going forward you've had the advantage of fairy briefly I think having to move your entire head to change your line of sight thing and it wasn't until I used a prototype that used like I tracking so that self-sustaining Abe requires it benefits from linking to another device but it's it's got its own display its own processor it's a standalone kind of experience that of it but GOP's whole thing there's no room when you buy a game though they have a client they have like a steam like client they call Galaxy G. O. J. Galaxy which in too much into the Pixel for but one kind of interesting note on the announcement is that they're dropping support watching TV you'd probably looking at the screen so looking straight forward into your your daydream goggles which is just projecting your own things considered for Google absolutely at this early age of this VR stuff relatively early age I've never liked the are either I think it's just because it was like you know for for a low cost solution at that point I had already used I think it was the OCULUS rift and it's obviously Google cardboard but with motion control but the the issue is and this is what Google is justification for dropping it is you gotta stick it interesting product that runs its course than disappears yeah unless it's pretty long Serb anyone else in the room but if you have to change the volume or if it drops out of VR mode if there's any kind of problem with your phone you gotta reach around until open it up and and I just I heard something from the the sound and it was over my shoulder and I looked at this giant sea turtle was just coming up over my shoulder and for a brief moment I had that sort of escapist immersion immersive feeling and then then I got a headache going away so onscreen at you you know that's that's totally different some of the simulated like theater type environments that that I've seen or you could move your eyes in your head sort of naturally could follow that I thought okay this is this I can get on board with Scott's use cases different because obviously you're stationary my eyes I I have a near site is required glasses and I've never found Vr headset whether it's something like this or a full-on htc vibe or rift the same ballpark and I I've never liked VR. I didn't I never liked any VR experience was it made. I'm very susceptible to motion sickness in it I never liked the whole like but you know your share those types of personal experiences if you don't want to it wasn't frightening it was just like I felt I felt like for a moment I felt one experience I tried the five and there was a scene it was one of the demos where you're underwater on a sunken pirate ship Oh my Gosh I'm underwater and this thing is real and floating and it was it was amazing it was cool but again just for a brief moment then and in fairness in fairness you have shared we'll library just like to track playtime and achievements and stuff it's pretty it's pretty cool but if you want you can go into your store page and download a was the same unit that was around the office I Ryan Senate to me I was testing out one of the pixel phones maybe it was the first one in the night send it all back together and Mac actually the the the Windows Library is certainly by far the biggest but they do offer a variety of Lennox and mack games it's usually the I was going to ask like in that moment it's I refrained there was something about bodily functions and that sort of fighter flight would probably work well with that but it's just I think the tradition with Google is to introduce products and then subsequently cancelled let's just par for the course for them yet another scrappy sack on twitter was a screen shot of something it looks like is like hardware configuration of something I don't know if it's another border lesser on sale and then I put things on my wishlist I go this is like a dollar fifty like I might as well just buy it taller that's how I've ended up where I am because I mean they've been around for a long time back when they were originally known where I can get the the focus just write it just never it's always just a little off and then it just I start getting a headache and I can't get immersed although I did have our headsets as well as something you'd everybody shower I probably multitasking and you've got to be naked see feel the water becton privately that you were in the bathtub during this experience just to have that sort of immersive a feel of being in the water which is how I usually use my vr Will it looks like it'd be pretty comfortable it's a wide split headband so you have a little bit more kind of surfaced to Louis that's all it doesn't doesn't say Bluetooth I'm assuming it's not Bluetooth typically these things are not they use two point four because it's low latency high quality S B three seventy the technical data on their website sennheiser website is not very technical so I don't know exactly what wireless even out the weight distribution I guess what I'm trying to say they're not very heavy two hundred eighty five grams it's not it's not the lightest but it's not particularly heavy they have decent sensitivity you don't need the volume anywhere near fifty percent usually so in that case how long do you need is work I mean even kind of dangling off of you and some companies like Corsair they're using things like a cappella led's slipstream wireless too It's looking pretty interesting you know one hundred hours is I mean even the most dedicated game that's a week of cameras so absolutely well that was the last of our audience they signed off you all right let's finish up the news harmonies for claimed battery life which is usually no RGB effects enabled volume fifty percent. You probably need a strong signal but that's the the use case of I'm sitting at my desktop gaming I don't need RGB lighting effects because there's nobody here to see it and I'm looking at my monitor and if are a very popular these days but battery life is is key if you wireless gives you that freedom of being able to move around having extra wire advertizing one hundred hours of runtime wirelessly and we don't have a review of these they just got announced here but it's is is battery life still a problem have the current crop of headsets they they got into an acceptable level. Is this necessary I totally acceptable either for a gaming headset so I'd be curious to hear how good these sound because obviously sennheiser known for quality sound and then the other one I think the one that Chris Reduced power requirements and increased longevity but sennheiser here has got something coming up it's the GP at MCI G. S. P. Three Seventy wireless headset and so I've got one more quick story this is about a new headset from sennheiser. Now wireless headsets and wireless gaming focused headsets are one of our contributors reviewed last was I think it was the he might have done the six seventy they have a higher end like three hundred dollars plus they're using there is a Dongo on the box guessing two point four gigahertz doesn't specify says under connection of use and so if you can go a whole week and then charge over the weekend or charge at night or something that's not too bad I mean what what do you think as far as my recent experiences most of them are in that certainly well it's a double digits for hours I it depends on what volume level you listen to but somewhere in the twenty to twenty to forty hour range and it gets pretty they do sell one in the one hundred dollar range that's currently seventy nine ninety five on sale the DSP three hundred that's wired so this is pretty big and if you're going on twenty four gaming marathon a lot of these are probably still going to do that at least some of the newer generation there are definitely issues with battery life just because of battery technology in the past where I think probably eight to ten hours would be pretty normal but what's confusing to me about this and I'm looking at this eh but they charged by micro USB cable they use the dangle so it's just like pretty much every other wireless gaming headset the design I think looks really cool US gaming headset that he did get to look at so this this brings that down at least to the two hundred dollar level their MS RPM and they have a cheaper one. I'm looking on the world jumped wireless with Sennheiser here yeah it looks like Chris last summer reviewed for us the sennheiser. DSP Six hundred okay it was at the time well when I linked to this so you can check that out see how things are different between these two miles but all right let's finish it Sebastian recover from his case reviewing PTSD and he's got the this week the fan tech's eclipse p four hundred a two two fifty and let's how he an award from him do but we'll see we'll link to that introduced a number of features they were the first or among the first in the case seemed introduced features like Like the removable brackets for mounting up with our early review the week and that is a a case review from Kent Kent Burgess who's one of our newer reviewers and he's been helping is that problem and a pretty good price to sixty nine ninety nine is the price mid tower case it can support it can technically support up to so good company high quality stuff but he says the original P four hundred it didn't have good airflow it was tempered glass in the front looked real slick but it was really not an airflow his case and so with this p four hundred a four airflow we've got a a Mesh Front panel and that Kinda solves pans and radiators yeah and things like that so it you know there are there are good company I've I've got a couple cases in fact I'm trying to rebuild the studio pc the mid tower case and it's an update the people were hundred is a couple years old now and as as can't says in his review you know he liked it at the time fantastic's has the ats let's see what's the maximum with here two hundred seventy two millimeters wide and as we know during the EA builder there's always a little bit of variability there and oh fit but you won't be able to use the rubber grants it will extend over those those gromit in the case which again is not uncommon for smaller enclosure eh for for v necks with a little bit little bit faster processors so the editing o go faster and of using a fantastic's enthu- lux for that build this but ats certainly and lower no problem there it's got a PS use shroud at the bottom that Nice Mesh Front there's he reviewed the standard version there's an RGB version offering twenty dollars more than eighty nine this one nine yes yeah and that that gives a number of companies this is not crazy but it's it's a nice rather subdued kind of a good look I mean I think it's an attractive case and who four fans in addition to the RGB this only includes I think three or two just to there's one of the front one of the back so pressure fans but looking at it here I mean it's a it's nothing I mean we've seen some pretty radical case designs From and let's go through the picture got tempered glass side panel so again that's pretty good at that price point to have a nice forcible tempered glass panel here's a look at but even then he said this is that was as you'll see was fine so don't feel pressured to go to the RGB unless you really want that extra airflow don't feel positive opponents around so nice look they're good cable management on the back a couple of five and a quarter inch three three and a half inch drives at the bottom his removable it's very it's customizable like a lot of their cases you can pull out parts that you don't need and mount radiators if you want or move the inside of it you've got St Mounting there lots of GROMIT S- routing cables the SRI PS Shroud is Oh crow straps on the back I think there were the first ones I saw do that if I'm not mistaken there was just a lot of really intelligent ideas that they put in place back in around two thousand sixteen there are no five and a quarter base so I think tax well I I pretty much accepted this because I've had so many cases original four hundred s the silent version back in two thousand sixteen and I linked to that in this review as well but it's it's a venerable designs been around for a long time I've I've got at least two when I was just kind of floored I think the evolve was the first one that I reviewed and then Lee for our site checked out the last five or six years they just don't have any five and a quarter support it's such a rarity but I think fantastic not only with the first that I remember having those removable trays can as they used to be seventy nine bucks this new version of it they're not doing any new tooling or anything it's basically the same chassis the cost has come down which is really nice to see and you're getting that Metal Mesh Front penalty only question I had about this was going to be just maintenance related because there is no screen no I buy power I think was using them for a while and some others and certain pre configured systems have used them for good reason they're an attractive low cost put it back on and the one thing about reviewing stuff is typically you're not using it for months and months and months you get the sample ps four hundred I think I have to on the other side of the room over there to stack up each other as they were this ubiquitous case for certain makers like certain with it but the the bottom line is this case with his standardized airflow tests outperforms open tests loaded to were say the top fan mount was just as bracket that came out you could mount your radio to of inside that is so convenient but things like that the four hundred a R G B variant eighty nine bucks but if you're on a budget and especially if you don't care bars you be like you alluded to the airflow in this filter for that front input the Metal Mesh itself is the filters if you want to keep that clean you're going to have to pop that front panel off and go wash it for sixty nine bucks you're getting a proven case design you're getting tempered glass side panel it's a high quality Cheetah glass like to see more cases offered with an airflow option instead of glass front panel for sure yeah it sounds like it would make it louder when you're taking when a case comes out and it's completely airflow focus and obviously Corsair has their higher flow cases the air series like the air five forty is but for there's still substitution for airflow it's and it's kind of remarkable in the two thousand nineteen it's almost a novel thing and then we've seen fractionals Mecha- fi see as popular as the the smaller like the compacted tower case with Mesh Front panel so this bench in the same room with the same components that's really a function of air flow and you'll see that open test benches great it's it's convenient I use it for benchmarking province reasons ace is good enough and if you look at the the temperature results that he got he he's created a standardized tests and you can look at the actual makeup of that tasks and how he came up those arguments go by the wayside when you're at sixty nine dollars and with Kent in his conclusion and he likes the case of you know all up for anybody on the staff who uses one of these things that we've my only question on how clean is the inside of this case going to be without a front filter but really you test it for a couple of weeks for a case review usually spend a week or two with the by Mike put like my full build in there and use the system to all the noise and temperature testing just adds another option to the mix fans tex-mex stuff I've never had an issue in either their cases so I've nothing but positive ended by but really he pointed out for twenty dollars more you're just getting so much more like the price out some RGB fans like DC auty quiet RGB fans get additional fans with RGB affects. If you're into that sort of thing for twenty dollars more I would personally get the but I never know it's never like that okay six months from now you drag it out from under the desk and how clean is the inside of the case so that would be like a long term it's just like graphics and CPU cooler dependent as far as noise at that point he is obviously you know we're we're past the point of hard drives making a lot of noise even if you still use a large riding little thing and I've done all kinds of checks on it it seems to be working fine it's been three years now works great performances great but you can hear that sucker noise like when they spin up you can hear it and then they're kind of clunky and they make some seek access noises that

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Podcast #606 - RTX 3060ti, QLC NAND better, X570 on the cheap, Zen Laptop Performance, and MORE!

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Podcast #606 - RTX 3060ti, QLC NAND better, X570 on the cheap, Zen Laptop Performance, and MORE!

"Everybody welcome to the pc perspective podcast. This is episode six hundred and six being recorded on december. Second twenty twenty smashing peak. I'm jerem hellstrom dom josh wallraff. I'm brett fans and you can subscribe to be notified when we go live for events like this we send it out about an hour beforehand to see you can prepare yourself. You can get snacks drinks and then wait as we were inevitably late. But hey you'll find out about recording sessions like this and that's at pc per dot com slash subscribed. That's the only thing we use that list for. I promise you can help support the site and this podcast by becoming a patron of the arts the art of pc perspective podcasting and reviews and things. And did i mentioned the website. It's patriot dot com slash. Pc per and breath. Please save me problem. We would like to welcome big cardi. Hey hey thanks for being a patron of whatever this is. It's sort of it's kinda. Our arctic is performance art. And i feel like. I put a fair amount of thought into the reviews so that counts. That's artistry in a way we got a couple of new members patrick. fb i don't know if that stands for patrick from facebook page. Eric fbi is one of them. And i guess one of my new favorite names from patriot is a one dollar. Bob all no spaces. I don't know if you could tell when. I said that there wasn't a space from that. But one dollar about thank you. Both of you appreciate it a lot. Thank you yes sir. Very much this possible and what. You've really tuned in for if your podcast listeners. They love the audio descriptions of food. If you're watching video you could see josh. Do you have a burger update for us this week. There's burger but the work. Capri c. fries so They take some slightly soggy fries that little slightly under hooked and then put mozzarella Roasted red tomatoes. sizzle up some onions and then put bacon on there. Put a A ball balsam vinegar reduction throughout the entire mass of of fries and mozzarella and bacon and tomatoes and onions and then top it with freshly cut basil and you get the capri c. fries. Then they baked that in an oven so the fries then crisp up really quite nicely and everything melts together in the mozzarella and the balsamic vinegar glazed just kinda reduces further to give a stronger flavor at all comes together with the. That is basil right. Looks at yes. Vaguely greenish showing. It just brings it all together into this fantastic massive starch putin talion combing but yeah it's It's good it's it's worth going out of your way for and it was. It was a good replacement for a burger so nice change of pace. I hungry yet. good i mean. It's not a burger but a day. You're vegetarian right. So you could pick the bacon bacon. Yeah could have ordered it without the me at this. Everybody loves going into burger places ordering everything but the meat and paying full price for it anyway. Which burger with a. Yeah exactly and taking you to a brazilian steakhouse is it works though because they had fish and i do eat fish. I a disgusting amount of salmon. Salmon felt unwell apple. Afterwards brad wrong. Let's get this back on track but us. Yeah let's talk about that giant flex behind you on the shelf. Actually not even they're like i'm currently behind me on. This shelf is about forty percent of the global inventory of the latest graphics cards. You can buy. And i get to feel like a heel having the stuff on hand because a review products and then you know god help anybody who tweets out about one of their new graphics cards or a new model from an in board partner because the comments are just You know as expected people are not happy with the availability problem. And that's been the story of every launch this year. So unfortunately i think the advice that you gave somebody on discord was on point though. When you said if you want the latest hardware become a hardware reviewer. Absolutely yes and i- i- employ albany elvis. Working now yeah go start your own review. Youtube channel Look at josh. Pick that up. He's a product. You're three nine. it's a military press. What does that. What is that card josh. It's the x. fx speedster sixteen hundred x t. Merck three one nine. So they're almost almost a gigabyte naming schemes. Now so merck. Three one nine stands for mercury three fans one hundred millimeter a ninety millimeter except there's two one hundred millimeters anyway. We're gonna be recording that review on. I'm halfway through the actual written part sell. Hopefully i'm taking off to texas tomorrow and will be back early next week and will get those done so we can close the case. This monstrous car. I know it's tackle you but don't benchmarking drive I mean it depends on the power draw. Is there an inverted in your possession. That would powerful gaming. Pc while you think he's gonna need like a gas power generator in the trunk per up. Probably just as a sneak peak. What the four hundred. Sixty watt draw of the thirty eighty four hundred sixty. Two i think was the max when i Did the over clocking bios and rage mode in the adrenaline It was pulling five hundred. Twenty watts at max but total system. Total system okay. Let's say twenty watts one. Gp would be impressive. Yeah now it's seeding the of it. Yeah ballots the total system. Power is is. You got to have a pretty hefty converter or a gas generator in your car. And of course that leads to other issues with driving in benchmarking with a honda generator in the back of your suv just opened a window monoxide fine. It'd be fine yeah windows be fine which will cool anyway so it looks like it's about the size of a porsche speedster actually and original. It's just the camera playing tricks on us or is that really like three sized. It's it's probably bigger than a thirty nine ended up not by much but it. It's going to be some. It's strange rest. For god's sakes you can ask them to pick it up again wished. I had a different video card with me but we can do head size dan. That works thumbnail. Thirteen point three nine inches. It's two point nine slots wides not three slots two point nine. Okay yeah you can get up the other. They're still that point airflow. Yes little bit centrally. I'm your number two point nine. Yeah it's it's it's got to be five pounds at least because the shipping package was six and a half and the was not a pound and a half a packing. So yeah big. Do you want to see how again can stay a voodoo to get one of those. Who of course shot here. Game so to voodoo. Two's which are two slots wide. I can sort of see the difference. It looks a little ridiculous. Looks a little wider down just a tad even in that camera angle looks slots wide three point. Nine point nine nine. A voodoo five on hand. Josh would be lately. But that's far far away but i do have a the last one of the the second of the last generation of x fx products and this is l. Eight hundred gt ex. Same you away. That's and we thought those. Gps were big. Yeah yeah the shortly after this x. Fax went to ati slash amd. Because i think that was when invidia cleaned house and they got rid of Couple of the smaller groups like the f g. They went down tube. 'cause invidia took the rug out from under them in the same with ex effects so amd got a couple of well. He's one partner out of that. And then scott erkmen went to amd exactly hey Was vision tech nvidia. Before i know they're exclusively. Md originally they were Their main us partner and then They got the name got sold out after they were kinda sued into oblivion at like group that had bought up diamond multimedia think did vision tack and then they they kept a couple of cards role and and they're growing back again They're just not very big manufacturer. They have a bunch of other stuff like A bunch of usb dock and You know what he calls port extenders and those things that they have as well as the five thousand series cards. I think they're top stuff. I don't think they have a sixty eight hundred yet. But they're kind of lower down there on on the tier of Amdi partners what are we gonna talk about well. We're we're going to into this a lot. i show. yeah we could. I was for some reason. I was gonna show the sixty ti press. Release the thirty. Six thousand t-. I actually came out today officially but the review embargo was up yesterday. So if you look at how their messaging this. It's the twenty eighty super level performance graphics card at the price of the twenty sixty super from last year. Actually that's accurate so we can just stop the discussion right there. It's the vast twenty eight super in theory is three ninety nine. That becomes a contentious point when you can't buy it anywhere and you have to go for like the adam board partners premium four hundred and eighty nine dollars card. I was the only one that was in shock this morning at new egg when i looked and i'm sure it's gone by now. That was hours ago. You are correct sir. Okay so it was just completely sold out now everywhere but hey we got a founders edition card in it looks exactly the same as a thirty. Seventy founders edition cards the same size. It is the same colour. Design doesn't a lighted logo. Though which i didn't realize until after the fact there's a cost saving measure. There is one hundred dollars less. But this is the first of the shutdown. Gp's is still g a one off one four and just a little bit. A few of sm's have been disabled so khuda count slightly lower clocks. This is how they segment the products. But you'd think availability will eventually be better because they can die. Harvest g one. Oh four is that would have gone to a thirty seventy and put them into a thirty sixty i. But let's see the usually these launches. I think i mentioned on twitter. They That a little bit more optimal for a bigger chip that is d tuned. Poor yields and have Parts that are not working That they fuse off. And so you would expect there to be a little bit more Availability just because as any process and product goes into production like this. There is a yield curve and They're going to try to grab as many dies as possible. That don't hit the full thirty seventy or the thirty eight thirty ninety parts and so yeah. Lots of lots of chop down stuff. There should be available. But nothing's available saw somewhere else that thirty sixty. Ti numbers were essentially thirty. Seventy plus thirty eighty plus thirty ninety amounts on on the launch day. So there were more. okay the outlet. Hey judging by let's see what if we go by seconds minutes and hours the fact that this was technically available for hours are we doing star trek three. I'm sure it'll it like ours. Were days captain b.'s. Yeah let's look at some specs We've mentioned that it's a cutdown j. One oh four. Thirty eight s m's verses forty six so they've cut out eight of them disabled eight which lowers the khuda account from fifty eight eighty eight down to forty eight sixty four and the clocks are lower. The clock is sixty megahertz lower fewer rhop's eighty versus ninety six same exact memory though eight gigabytes of ddr six at fourteen gigabit per second exactly the same bandwidth we're talking four hundred and forty eight gigabytes per second and the td. He is two hundred watts. Lower or two hundred twenty watts lower two hundred versus to twenty and the cost is in theory. One hundred dollars less so when you think about an here they are the together. The two reference cards identical color. See the brett will appreciate this. I consider this a silver versus space gray. Now i read that. And i'm like i can't believe he did that with straight face and i'm like i approve. There's a lot of stuff that i do. Now that's kinda tongue-in-cheek but you have to read the reviews to find all of these snarky gas yes Let's just look at performance. I didn't do a ton of benchmarks because it's this is kind of a certain kind of self explanatory launch like their performance claim. This time was right on the money. And i like a genius. Did not retest the twenty eight super on this platform. Because i didn't read the reviewer's guide before we got started so i didn't see and videos claim that it was going to be twenty eight super level. I was thinking it'll probably close to eighty. Of course it exceeds a twenty eighty by a few percentage points in almost every test which is exactly. What a twenty eight super does. It's like five percent faster than a twenty eighty. So there you go. It's faster than the twenty eighty. Roughly the same as the twenty eight super are in the division to fourteen forty high direct x twelve. We're getting about one hundred and twenty frames per second versus one hundred and eight frames per second from twenty eighty and if you look at it compared to the old twenty sixty super at eighty two frames per second. It's a huge jump so it'll be interesting to see where. Amd's next gpu is a sixty seven hundred series because they need something now down at that Fifty seven hundred x t fifty seven hundred price point because the performance if you look at it fifty seven hundred. Let's look at the most amdi friendly charter dirt. Five fourteen forty fifty seven hundred. X t is about sixty five frames per second at fourteen forty ultra and Thirty sixty is a little bit above that but not much very close. And they're the same price point and you can actually buy at fifty seven hundred x t so if all you're playing dirt five save your money and buy a fifty seven hundred sixty secondhand somewhere. But that's that's a fringe case. Dirt five is extremely optimized for amd. But hey i mean it's looking at the performance relative to say thirty seventy i mean let's look look at far cry with just show one more chart far cry at four k ultra with hd textures enabled. We're talking sixty four frames per second with thirty six hundred in sixty eight point. Eight seconds with a thirty seventy. There's not a whole lot of difference there. The performance of the thirty sixty. Ti is a little closer to the thirty seventy than it probably should be for cars one hundred dollars cheaper. Does that make any sense. It does so it's goodbye for a change. Yeah you think this would be a four hundred twenty nine four hundred and forty-nine card but it's not it's three hundred do say that too loud okay. I know i read a rumor that there was a Price dump or drop at just before it launched. And that they almost launched at a hundred dollars more especially. Ib's would make zero zambia. Thirty seventy was still sitting there at forty nine. But hey maybe this would be for seventy nine something like that. It's like it's the thirty seventy you can buy. Hey that'd work to say thirty seventy availability edition interesting connotation to that yeah. I'm so glad you're not in marketing. The industry well. There'd be a lot of truth in marketing refreshing for maybe a year. Speaking of refreshing lists briefly headed up on the screen a second ago power consumption. This is total draw. And look at that. It's about the same as a fifty seven. Hundred x t. We're talking total. Draw three twenty six versus three hundred and twenty nine watts two cards Consumes about it's. It was seventeen watts. Fewer than the thirty seventy in my testing. But it's you know. It's roughly twenty watts lower and that is you know second on this chart. Only to the two thousand six super. So we're up to twenty eighty twenty eighty super levels of performance for about twenty watts. Less power consumption. So there's some efficiencies gained there. I guess but hey. I mean the story of this is going to be. What can you buy. Like if i were at new egg right now. And both this and a thirty seventy were in stock and there was a thirty seventy that was forty nine and a thirty sixty. Ti some aftermarket card. That was four forty nine. I if i had the fifty dollars i would absolutely buy thirty seventy but the performance gap is not very big. So if you get thirty sixty. I just overclock at a little bit. You're probably really really close. I love to reference that. This reminds me of the five sixty. Ti four forty eight where it was really close to a five seventy but not quite all the way to a five seventy but if you overclock the snot out of it you read five seventy levels. That's what this feels like. So the non ti thirty sixty we would have. I would guess that it's going to be like three forty nine if they follow last year's pricing conventions maybe it'll be three twenty nine and that'll be interesting but any other thoughts about others. There's no such things midrange card anymore. Apparently not no not four hundred dollars. Well except the ara five. Eighty five eighty is the last mid range guard which is two dollars. That's why they exit around. Yeah it just plays kind of everything. Maybe now well but i need to retested it. Needs to be on these charts. We get into the non. Ti through thirty sixty and the whatever else amd comes out with. We've got to bring back the older two hundred dollar cards because it's going to be sir. Seven nanometer five ninety going for they don't have a seven nanometer five ninety. I thought it was a it was a diet. Drink not seven nanometers. What was wasn't optimized. Fourteen nanometer yeah. It was definitely dyson. Wasn't a seven up to google this. Somebody they didn't do it. The first one was vega that they did seven nanometer and they now can't hold on the suggested of twelve nanometer kind of optimized forty nanometer. The five nine six five ninety process node A twelve nanometer thin fat. This is what's that same the same stinking thing as what happened with the one thousand series in two to the previous one was twenty two fourteen fourteen shrink while via optimized. Yeah but hey the got higher clocks out of it within roughly the same power envelope. They sure did nelson the five ninety. We have a five ninety five nine hundred fat boy from x. affects all serve from exit facts extremely tastefully named products. Do you know how much this thing cost. Just no no no seven ninety nine one ups but it's overclock fans. Yeah yeah well. I mean it's one hundred dollars more or is done one. Fifty one fifty. I thought it was a religion. We're about one hundred more and Yeah but now this one is you pay for it and Yeah as just a sneak. Peak performance overall faster than a seven hundred fifty dollars thirty eighty and you have overclock thirty eighty right like a slightly now know the xy three is is remember. It's the back plate that's fifty dollars. It's a stock card with backward. Got it yes. So it's not. He peds on him though right there. They're sinking some heat into it or the right away here is. You're not really has in his possession right now. Is the murder team merck. Her the tech specs was that Fast game clock up to twenty ninety misconduct to twenty three forty. I was seeing boost clocks here. But they don't really sustained. I'd love to see how my this things stay with them. It all kind of tweaked out Without over clocking it was hitting twenty four ninety. Twenty four seventy five so almost two point five gigahertz without any touching the dials other than just kind of get met that power limit up anyway. Sorry we interrupt this program again with the merck three nineteen. We are not sponsored by fax by the way no no no but we are sponsored by remote. Hq this evening. Thanks for that beautiful segue in this time of so. Many people finding themselves having to work from home or remotely. There's a better way to collaborate and still work together effectively. it's called ramon h. q. As in headquarters it's more than simply call conference screen sharing file sharing or video calling software though although it has all that to remote h. q. Is a no software download environment as it's entirely browser based you can name and create custom meeting rooms that can be locked and only usable by thought ticketed users. You can build up different. 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Sometimes i read this as coaxing better speed from you'll see with little. Tlc he didn't write it that way. But that's how you're supposed to read it. I think the world it's the words only world only c. That's actually really or something. It jaramogi's please. Well it's it's craziness And to be honest. I don't think i fully understand what ibm pulled off with this. But what they've done is added a new controller onto the qc flash. they they saw on their flash system. Ninety two hundred flash raise huge amounts of storage for enterprise. You know cost a hell of a lot. But they keep the prices down with by using. You've got a little bit of a problem with the lifespan. But you just pop out and pop new one and you're laughing. So what they did is figured out this new controller which added the flash core module and it determines the health of the actual flash cells in real time so the drives sort of starts out as being slc and then as the health of the drive or as the health of that cell gets bad it gets put back would be and so in order to make sure that your you'd have one quarter of the storage lead introduce some significant Compression in their of about sixty percent or so you end up still having the same amount throat the span of the drive but when you first get a flash drive it's going to do almost the same speed as you'd expect from. Tlc not quite the same. But you know significantly close and it's not gonna suffer from the buffer overflow that we see in a lot of the qc drives were playing with and the other thing that it does is because it can monitor the health of the flash it picks on the healthiest stuff and as something's being written and if something's not active very often it gets pushed back the unhealthier so they're saying sixteen thousand writer array cycles as opposed to the two or three thousand you should be expecting a lifetime is almost the same as tlc. So you're losing the expense you would if you were doing. Seo tlc but you're almost not giving up anything in the way of speed. Were in lifetime. Which just absolutely crazy i mean. I'm sure they're gonna charge you a little bit extra for it but if you're if you're curious. Any wall sat down at a more insights Fireside chat and register linked to the actual conversation recovers rough overview of how they've managed to pull this off as well as a couple of other interesting things that i am. I am be. abm is doing. But i was reading this. I have to be misunderstanding. Something because it's just too neat the year literally watching a all drive perform liquor. Tlc one just a little bit slower. Jeremy to come to mind here one is that this appears to me like a a smart software person finally got involved in fix the deficiencies in hardware. Which is typical. I mean i really have to add that and secondly just like in racing that eventually stuff in the enterprise will filter down to the regular dude the regular man industry and hopefully we can see this technique applied to make less expensive. Qc storage media immaterial chips. Perform as well as you know s. l. c. or you know different standard of chips and That'll filter down to the to the common man enterprise for now obviously whether customer leading it and eventually make cheapened and everybody will be able to take advantage of it so yay yes because ibm and cheap go hand in hand now now they eventually hopefully spread down but definitely worth checking a pretty neat but by but my software dude fixing the division in the hardware still stands. I'll take arrows for that. You know when you mentioned Enterprise in the common man. I was thinking this would be a great segue to our next story because there was once a common man who went to work for big enterprise. Oh now he does performance allergy stuff and and performance are. He does a different kind of performance art. Yeah exactly this artistic this This graphic everything about it. This is an artist. Technica story blue shots fired across the red so amdi laptops have a hidden ten second performance delay. Here's why and they go on to say that they present laptop. Cpa's they save power by delaying their full performance. And they're running on battery when they're running a battery now 'cause they get better battery life that way. It's interesting because intel if you know a mobile device or any kind of oem box that can't run without parliament's enforce they have a certain duration and for desktops fifty six seconds and then i think on smaller. Applications is twenty eight halves. It could be wrong about this. High performance machine solely top out at six seconds of boosts and then they start to throttle down to whatever the core frequency actually is of the view and apparently with the zen two on laptops on battery. They try to hold off as long as they can. Boosting until the job is still going after. Like ten or eleven seconds which is kind of the opposite. You'd think you'd want to boost fast to people like a snappy experience and then down clock if it's a sustained load they wanna make sure you mean it going to stay with this. Are you really rendering. Video of k feared low. Cut it to launch chrome and have their notebook sound like. It's an sixteen launching off of an aircraft carrier. That's actually a good point the rapid fan you know oscillating up and down is actually knowing it. Is this low builds for a bill. That never gets there. I would prefer to starting out screaming and then slowly losing performance even before the thermals kickin which is now a until doing the other thing that you need to point out here is. This is an implementers decision. This is an amd option given to implementer and that being the laptop builder or the board builder. Or whoever's going to do it they can optionally take advantage of this feature but it is not an inherent in the amd design. It's not necessary. And i'm sure. They were probably specific laptops. That were recommended for this study. They did a lot of ten. Let's see here so plugged in vs on that logged. Of course they're gonna show that we're is actual frequencies here because they're gonna show in but let's see okay. So here's the delay micro benchmark wonder if this was an andy or amd intel provided thing or what they're doing here but So we see a rise in seven forty seven hundred you. That has a delay of seven to ten seconds before it clocks up. So where's the seapower voltage in that seeing frequency five so they're more concerned about hard voltage here here's a hundred eighteen Independent contractors that was their claim. I guess so. Here's independent confirmation core. I seven eleven. Eighty five g seven versus a rise in seven. Forty seven hundred. You and time elapsed. You're waiting obviously. I can barely see their numbers down here but it is about the ten or eleven second mark when the rising catches up clocks back up and if it runs long enough gets ahead because essentially what they're sort of doing when ours look measured at that. Intel is starting out with a pill to parliament of fifty one watts on a thirty five. Watch it right they. It starts out huge and hits They they were measuring up to ninety eight degrees celsius in that first. Ten seconds were intel as bursting and then sort of Slows down immediately does after about ten seconds or so dropped about thirty four thirty five watson. I'm more comfortable temperature range whereas the reisen you know is quite happily chewing around two twenty five to thirty ones. Yeah i mean thing is common to all intel. Cpu appeal to the high limit. Then you drop down to pl one and then eventually once. The certain amount of time has elapsed. You have to drop down to base clock so depending on how you have your system configured and yeah. I mean it's just i'm thinking in terms of this is a portable device. We're talking about here and it's it's behavior battery. I personally would like it to be more like smartphone. Where the second you have any kind of touch input. The cpu at least single for single core frequencies are spiking have more responsive touch experience and then for a sustained workload has to thoroughly manage itself and clock down based on tables that but like you want to to primarily manage the user which is is reasonable because it does it does and yeah i mean that's why one of the reasons a you must admit why people sort of like it is because it's it's responsive even when it's busy tells them day tells you what to do with the life go here now do this by that hold on maybe just maybe if he just closed your rings knows that means never mind. I do because i have announced the watch. See the apple. Watch on your wrist brett. Sorry you're these is a huge hit to your family status. I have to say. Don't don't get dangling points. it's doesn't help you. i've can. I say it's christmas list. Okay sheriff. you're actually. You know it's funny. You should say that because one of the reasons why in this is this'll be bad and the suggests that I'm not such a fan boy both in either direction. The reasons why you can you know. Don't go forget sakes here. We go one of the reasons why everybody's having so much trouble. Getting equipment is actually because of apple it really is. And it's not due to the difficulty of having to produce certain things from china and taiwan and things like that it's because apple has unin godly amount of money to throw out around and whenever they need to secure transport for anything they just buy it up. So they have option buying The the planes in the cargo that other companies can't do i mean they'll they'll out by just about anybody if they need to get You know macbook pros in and mac minis from china to here to to sell because they want to release their and one the bible the capacity. They've got the money to do it. And the the poor little eyes. I mean you know. Gigabyte may sound big in our world. They're not. They're not big in comparison to to apple the they can't buy enough capacity to ship boards or nvidia. Even i mean nvidia is big but you know dick move bread. I hope you know that you're getting a lower third for your close up there. Oh for god's will say something like brett still thinks everything's always about apple to apple supply. Why pro and you're making this up. I'm not making this up usually true. You know if you look. If i don't is that what you're saying. Well i guess in a way sort of i mean they. They have enough money to throw around that they can. They eat up. The does not a lot of capacity. You know some of these places and normally this doesn't it doesn't become acute and there's enough slack in the system for shipping stuff but when ship and cheaply you gotta throw it on a boat right so you had to start that months ago. It takes like six weeks eight weeks. I know something like that shipped over by boat otherwise it costs too much. I tuned out awhile ago On to our next topic Speaking of what we were talking about intel and intello's you know is on fourteen hundred meter for almost everything. Unlike i guess those ten nanometer parts in the the laptops we were just talking about. But let's don't worry they're gonna go big again. Yeah you gotta go big or go home and they they they play that game. But let's start let's talk about actual ultra. What is this. What kind of photography is. This is just off of electron microscope. Okay so yeah it's fascinating. No it's extreme electron. He went with Scanning tunneling who. Just yeah this is where you actually have the cold. Whatever you're doing in in just very fine amounts of of what platinum used a gas and an ion beam to solidify. Yeah so. I mean like the insects that they do these things on where you get extreme close ups. I mean. they're obviously all dead because they're coated in this metal but this is even smaller micro stuff than close ups on insect antennas. But go ahead jeremy. I didn't read the entire thing and watch the the film. I watched film yet and i really want to cause do. Bauer is just amazing so he wanted to physically see what is the difference between and tells fourteen plus plus plus fin fats and amdy seven meter and while i mean the only way to do that is to well. I mean to chips died. In the making of this is josh mentioned but Essentially carve them up into a layer about one hundred micrometres thick after as mentioned the the literally put it in Gas and then solidify that to wrap it around so that it will survive the cutting processing. You're you're able to see what he did. And so we focused in with a scanning transmission electron microscope saying that five times fast and realized well crap. I cut too big so trimmed it down so finally the lamelo sly thin. Little tiny slice was somewhere between two hundred to three hundred nanometers for him to actually be able to get a proper look at these things and so we put a video showing you a little bit of the process and a lot of ym looking at what. Does this actually going to tell me as well as taking a look at it and showing that you know the difference between fourteen nanometer in seven manner meter is talking about features not talking about the entire thing altogether skipped minutes in that video by the way. If you wanna show it come on there you go. There's he starting to measure the gate with And it turns out to be twenty plus nanometers and he draws parallels between the intel. Fourteen postal puspa sent seven. Seven is smaller the until one is a little bit further apart but the seven nanometer and fourteen nanometer labels strawberry grape bear. No relation to. What's going on inside the inside. The space josh. You probably know a lot about that know once. It's yeah the the the kind of measure what the smallest feature is and that's what they can come out but anymore Their their actual naming is more marketing rather than any kind of physical limitation. But when you're dealing with billions and billions transistors even some of those features become really important. And if you can shrink those down a bit you still can cram a bunch more transistors. And plus you've got better materials and and Possibly better electrical properties with e seven nanometer is compared to the fourteenth stuff that it does make a difference when you're looking at one entire chip because you've suddenly got all the sex room for a couple billion more transistors. That don't take up a whole lot more power as compared to the older generation which has viewer and consumes more power. It's it's just the little things make a big difference in these designs. Just because they're so compact and there's so many parts to a cpu or a gp. Or whatever i mean. It's it's i know. Transistors are not exactly a good way account and people talk about you know gate. Numbers and whatnot is paired. But yeah it's it's a little bit goes a long ways when you're when you're talking about something that has like twelve billion transistors in it and those are the three dimensional structures josh. I think it's like this number that we throw around the house. I can use stack pile of shit while sloan of pieces. Yeah yeah so. That's that's where i think. They tend to gain a lot more and they don't talk about it so it used to be like eight layers. Eight metal layers was a lot way back in the day. And now we're like twenty twenty two layers that they just they they stack it all higher to because i mean you i mean if you think about it like you gotta transistor. That's that widen that tall and it can do a tremendous amount of current. While now. you're you're you're you're shrinking down. I'm not using it right but anyway it said something like that. Well it's harder to push that current you have other issues and so you raise it up higher. So it's it's the you're talking about area The current go through rather than you know you've got a that's the kind of one of the other reasons for planers that you can't miming. You could stack it up. Sh wanted to but you're causing other issues without fanfare or get all around anyway. We're going down. I mean we remember when we were young and talking about the original switch from planner defend fat. And how insane this you mean back in twenty fourteen that long young again when a pause here so yeah. It turns out that you can't make right angles in silicon and all this stuff is curved at the bottom of the wells and all the the transistors and all that how excited file that small. Well that's why this measurement that they talk about is sort of like it doesn't make a whole lot of sense because the structures three dimensional things are curved. Where do you measure it from. You know so. We were putting a lot of of stock into these numbers. That really don't correlate too much meaning in with the act what's actually going on from the silicon and that's really trying to get at. It's the opposite of our normal one where you're measuring but in this case it's like but on this angle. It's even smaller. Go that right. Yeah it because it's on a curve. You know these pieces. Are you measure here. It's measured up here. It's the further apart. So you know you're at twenty two nanometers anyway. It's an interesting video and you'd think it'd be like dry and then like he'd fall asleep but it's actually not. You should go watch. It's educational especially if you've never watched bauer vertigo. Before in the original german. While i mean does english videos to he does What is next year a. It's a cheap x five seventy boardman. Can't how how cheap is it. It's cheap one ford. Actually cheap weren't forty really. How on this thing if it's funny and bring that up so what. They did sacrificed everything. It's fricken bizarre. The way the fps review is trying to describe. It is it. It's really a six phase design except they've got phased with an extra phase configured into it so it's technically a four plus four plus two okay so it's four doubled and then like one more doubled. Yes so they just very very strangely setup however and i mean and then when they were measuring temperatures it hit over a hundred and fifteen celsius. That seems toasty toasty. And there's active cooling or anything on it which is part of the reason they're going so you're looking at scroll back up. I thought i saw a fan on that Chipset under the south or vr. Yeah yeah yeah okay. Sorry yep so on the flip side through all the testing that they did. They never once ran into thermal throttling or any sort of instability when running normally sold forty. Well they're good for now. I don't know how long they're gonna last ya. 'cause i'm thinking that The longevity on those if they're doing that is actually going to be not great but at one hundred and forty. Well i mean by two of them. Because you're still paying less than you would be for an average x five seventy if you really wanted to. Even toyed around as long as you playing within our fiber in our seven over will work. Don't put that on a good idea to work it but the three hundred fifty is gonna be but it's one hundred and forty bucks. Are you paying for fifty nine fifty. Couldn't they've made a hundred and fifty dollar version of this a little bit more complicated than that. But i know you could buy a pretty good job getting about one seventy nine with the you know. Scott meal good phases. Do you ever get yours placed. Jeremy it's still on the way back to new. Okay pass horrible. You had a failure to perform somebody motherboard. Last time he does doesn't add the real. I didn't even ask the refunding of for placement. Because i'm pretty sure it was just screwed with aboard because from the but the little arab. Gp's would flicker for a quarter of a second and the fans would spin and that was it. You know. I know that's your favorite nothing under the whether the immediately turned off again so i thought maybe it knew me already but unfortunately it was indicating that apart from i got no power delivery to the chipset fan go on to sort of all. It did frustrated. Probably twelve hours on that a well just going through every single permit. Well i don't wanna give up because at first off it only be told by someone knew that while you're an idiot you did this wrong so i made sure i did everything and the second was that i mean with the way that these ship even. If you don't have any memory or cpu in the damn thing it should be able to go up enough to be able to flash the by us with the flash couldn't even get that little led depa to indicate that it was even attempting to do a flash see definitely sought mobile unhappy with that one. The best the best advice got searching online. Just in case you know there was a trick. I was missing was just let it run for half an hour hour warm up. It has a dual bios fix everything. Yes while that that was suggested to but no it. Was this dual by also it's flipping back and forth between the viruses decide which one it likes one. It ain't and to know this. It's do a bios that way. You have a separate discrete bios for the left and right channel for better myo you too can cure bit rot at home right. Well we are going to take a short break here to think podcast sponsor number two this week which today is text expanders. So thank you guys take back your time with the power of text expand. Her repetitive typing. Little mistakes searching for answers. They're all taking precious time away from you and your team with text expand or you can take it back. The latest version of text expand or has new and improved statistics reporting for organizations including the ability to build reports with customizable date ranges for enterprise and individual users. 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Mac windows chrome iphone and ipad show listeners. Get twenty percent of their first year. Visit text expanded dot com slash. Podcast learn more about text expand or move on the last the last day they can bring up on the screen rightist brightest cooler ever. It's very bright. It is the corsair. Iq h one fifteen leak cappella cts liquid cpu cooler so two hundred and eighty millimeter liquid. Cooler uses those shiny intense cappella. Led's that we've been seeing introduce across corsairs product lines over the last couple of years. But you know what i as. I pointed out in the review. Technically this is a cooler and not just an air. Gb leading accessory it's true interest- interesting observation interesting. And as you can see here some tasteful plant life link lurks in the background of this photo teasing me. That's what you're doing. no. I've just you can talk about plance all right that there's a planet here and there's a huge list of features and a video to enjoy and other things. Here's the cooler. i mean. This doesn't look a lot different than many other coolers. It's really just that. I called it a cap. I don't really know what to call the top of the pump. Which is a diffusion plate. Plauged okay. I just made that up. They have these frustrate must call them frustrations yup rostrum here but look at this. Here's what does that part is. It's one of those. Iq smart fan control module things fan of us with six channels and six gb channels. And it all plugs into the available usb header on your board sata port for power and that controls all the fans. What does that this site up sticker. On their way to put the cable nobody off of the pump. As if it wasn't keyed already it is key. I'm not sure what you don't want your family. You don't want it to go from suck to blow. That would be. Don't fear in other words don't force it. Yeah and the photos. Don't really do justice. But i a this is a kintu neon lighting. If you're looking at it in the dim room you have this intense. But controlled lighting kind of the on light but that is just with the default if you put the common place with intense but controlled lighting it especially in a dark room were josh. I got applaud you for noticing that immediately. That's some smart fast thinking. There's a certain to josh style. Hey look react should know. Is it attractive is it. Look at it. Be your choice. It comes with two caps in the box two plates with black one with these those and then you have this sort of opaque one. That looks great. In you know light-colored bills or if you just can't get enough air. Gb in your life. Let's just have a whole bunch of diffused air gb lighting. And of course you can make it any color you want. This is all software control. I just use the rainbow. I think it was called rainbow. Wave or something you pick the cooler you go to the next screen and you have lighting. Setup is one of your options. Click on that and you can choose anything you want in the fans they have. Led's per fan plus look at all these led's in the pump. You can control individually if you want to. You can create your own lighting effect. You can choose one of the lighting effects in the library. And then of course with iq you also control the performance and i tested balanced and extreme and look at the rpm's here with balance. This is the story of balanced. Really low. Really low under four hundred. Rpm at idle. It didn't ramp up very much at all. I think it was like seven or eight hundred. These fans run at like four volts or something three volts. They really really really quiet at balanced but under extreme there but they're more reasonable and here is the proof under the extreme setting. It was the most effective tested. so far. This is what the coroner quarantine nine hundred k with the power limits disabled so it runs at two hundred watts. All the time and above ambient were just about fifty four degrees versus fifty. Five from the cool gamer storm castle to eighty x and fifty five point six from that pure loop to eighty from. Be quiet. and what's really interesting about this. Look at the bottom of the chart and the worst performance sixty two point three degrees above ambient it's balanced mode the great performances extremes. You oh man. This is going to be really loud under extreme. But it's not it's just the way. The fan profile is tuned balance which this could be changed with software update. It doesn't really spin up. The fans never ramps them up so the balanced is josh under thirty two decimals in my room with my meter and under thirty three at load so like thirty one point six versus thirty two point eight at load is negligible basically a decibel it. Because they weren't really the fans weren't spending up and if you go up to extreme where they actually did more aggressively spin up. It's still topped out at forty one point three decibels with my meter and this is from a distance of only twelve inches on an open testbed so inside of a case. This is really quiet overall. It's the quietest liquid cooler member tested. I don't usually see numbers like this other than like really slow spending fans on a big air cooler. So you somewhere. In between balance and extreme and you can create your own custom profiles you would get A better experience but this looks really good and under extreme that was still controlled noise levels and then the pricing is actually really good. If you look the list. Price is one sixty nine but they have it listed for one forty nine and of course dot com is the same one forty nine at amazon right now so a look. Raise the price to one sixty nine. I'm kidding okay. Thanks josh. you're welcome jiji move the common sense. I'm just kidding. Yeah most of the two eighty s. That i've looked at recently are somewhere between forty nine hundred sixty nine so this lives right in that average price range but the performance very good. It just needs a little bit of help. You have it in either quieter balanced mode. You're gonna want to tweak the fan profile a little bit extreme but it sounds like you've got a strong like for this thing yes. I did In risk schill status mcgivney at the editor's choice because that is not a popular move these days. There is not as i said. It's your choice given the price. I can't really find any fault with it. It's it's great performance. It looks nice. It is quiet. It's really quiet. Even under extreme mode it was like five decibels quieter than most other liquid coolers under load. So what do you want i. I'll take it i want. It looks good. One of those two forty Cooler master seventy nine dollar ones and think is constantly kinda spins up and down with the rising casino. The rise in has that weird. I mean if you've noticed this with the wraith the you know the the coolers that it's constantly spinning up spending down spinning up sprinting down. It's it's it's annoying in a quiet room and this does the same thing even after tweaking. The fan profiles it. His face says it all. I solved that problem. Josh told you just said it. To max i have mine going on all the time fifty but you never hear that because really it's the noises that are inconsistent that drive you nuts. Does the change in sound really. Does it. You do you said it. One hundred percent and then put on noise cancelling headphones. The sound is gone. It's like it did notice that That citizen can't was the first one to call you a corsair. She'll okay that nets. Kent on the podcast. We can't thank you. Yep yep that's the problem is anytime you review a product from a company that does display ads on your website. It starts to look questionable. You have to trust. The person are they. I noticed. are they honest. We have a full disclosure like hey. They've bought advertising within the last twelve months. But it is what it is. Hey speaking of things that you cooler. Let's let's stop. Stop need a better of segue than this. Free wide rewind wind. We have Actually a bumper for that. I can use day. It's that time time to smack table with prime annoying sound. It's it's that time again. That's where we look at that you can actually buy. Usually it's picks of the week and josh is going to start us off with an ultra affordable. Amd cpu option. Isn't that right josh. Its ultra affordable. It's a in five thirty. Six hundred x t for the low low price of five hundred and ninety nine dollars this. Us canadian doesn't seem serious. Wait what's this deal. Here i can get with. I most expensive. i'm not sure this is legit. Yeah no There there is a There is an extreme lack of amd processors in the us right now and it may be other places as well but new egg. All the prices are way. Jack tie on the. I mean you can get a thirty six hundred new egg for three hundred and fifty dollars. I mean you can get a thirty seven hundred x for cheaper than we can get a thirty six hundred and yeah All of their low end stuff under three hundred bucks. You can't get dilly anymore except at these extremely large prices so this is a obviously a joke. Don't buy this at six hundred dollars because it's not worth it. Just wait a couple of weeks and get fifty nine fifty for a little bit more Sure yeah order and wait. Wait what do you have their. Jeremy what is this weight. Show us the label. Here we go. Oh it's fifty hundred x eight hundred. X wow hey. before what. what percentage of the of the total is that. I think if you transferred that canadian it would be the same buddy price that i paid for that thing. Oh really so you had seven fifteen all told okay but hey if before. Anybody gets jealous. He doesn't have a working motherboard for it. So you know no no. That's why is eight hundred and my board was delays. Please insert and redo the buddy thermal paste on it because while i'm like How much you wanna bet that board of yours would have worked with like a thirty six hundred that it was just a needed. A flash suited a different. I had a stick with the flash on it. And in their fatty few okay up. Thirty two whatever. The hell look sustainable. Okay because i had. I had that god like the first guy like the. Mdc did not work. I close the. It was a convenient problem that was left out of the problem. Scenario ended up. I work tries tech a guy and we ended up discovering that it was a resistor problem. He was actually designed law and it would not boot with a three thousand series. Pune so no matter. What did i have flashed it and flashed all sorts of stuff and it had one of those little interactive screens on it. You can actually see what you were doing. And i could go through process so would not boot and it was a technical issue. I ended up getting another one later. They had some available. I mean i could attach that but the only or older. Amd processor that have is a thread ripper and it just didn't going to fit in the socket now probably you could have just put in. As many pins would fit c clamp three. You know just like hey. Here's just raising three. What is this the twelve hundred. Apparently they cost a lot of money. So they don't wanna ship them out of thirty four hundred g or anything like that. Did you ever get one of those. We talking to you sebastian. I have i think microphone. Stand right now yeah. My microphone is on a thirty four hundred g. Those used to be hard to get now. It's the way to go still not an easy to shield prop stuff. It's all it is just window-dressing y'all all. The prices are crazy except for some of the older ones Where let's see thirty nine hundred extra five hundred. That's still decent. Twenty seven hundred x is still kicking it to eighty nine gs thirty six hundred for three nineteen here. Here's the thirty four hundred to fifteen if you're okay with mike but too much too much much too much. Are their little bundles in stock. Even like this is it. I don't know what the deal. It's pretty sad so before about yet. Another launch in like paper. Launch and angry nvidia neom beers available anywhere. There's some events going on globally a lack of fast paced. Because you know. Tsmc makes everything in the world. Now hsun intel. Samsung makes bullets. Samsung and apple buys the logistics through. They all the planes. You've thought fedex this line we're not gonna use by the mall. No one else can like. We want to make sure that. There's a lot of space around every mac mini so we're going to buy. All the capacity amazon needs them. Now jerry do. I have the right link a i don on twitter today. That's leering. want what makes to links. The perfect gift does exist. And i was one line. I saw the perfect link does exist or something. No you see. I put more spaces between jeremy. That's all right. Hold on hold on wasn't who doesn't need to spaces jeremy one in my looking at here. It's just you're looking at the latest in faraday cages for your wireless router to protect you from the harmful effects of five g which might be unwillingly installed on your router most roader. The reviews are just lovingly. One used to be able to get wifi across lafayette signal. But district's i have to have top right beside it now protected. Yeah this is great one. That was the that was the second. Like oh what was allows fucking that makes more sense now realize going for like two hundred and fifty bucks. Yes this is what they should get fifty one canadian. I get a thousand dollars worth. Yeah you in my experience. It has a pretty good job of blocking all the harmful S from my home. So do yourself a favor and look through it because the reviews are to die for especially the ones who actually bought honestly and are very impressed with the performance. And how much better they are. Now that they have a faraday cage for their wireless router and if you have one in the family it makes a great stocking stuffer. I i love the product they like this is called the signal tamer is usually the opposite of what is ever complained about with regard to wi fi. Like you know. I need less was a little too strong in the bedroom and signal tamer. Is that three and a half stars. It turns it into articifial wifi. There you go. This product is valued spoke. Dear wrong. okay. I was unsure how this would work at first. I was bidding treacherous that this would work but after i received it and then immediately got a gift card for the full purchase price plus ten dollars from the manufacturer. I couldn't see any copper silver in the mesh etcetera etcetera. Cut my wifi signal half. Yeah okay enough enough of this nuts for real only sixty bucks plus breadth. Okay i was actually thinking about gifting and what do you get. The you know your tech friend or you know. what do they get. Somebody get for you so actually came up with something that i thought was reasonable and sort of interesting of ordered from these guys before. It's a company called ink gaming and you can build custom matt's mouse mats play playmates card playing matt's upload images and they will print them out desk size or standard mouse mouse pad size but recently because of the you know domestic and worldwide issues were having regarding shipping things and getting materials from overseas or wherever. They're having a twenty to forty percents off which is the second link on their twenty to forty percent off custom mouse pads due to demand so because they sold out of some of the larger mouse pads And that the mouse pads might not be in until january after christmas. They're throwing a twenty percent off sale in the really big ones but for the ones they can get the eighteen by sixteen a thirteen by elevens. Which is the ones just down below that also bold rubbing a forty percent off sale which is like ten bucks for like thirteen. By eleven custom mouse pad those our links in click on z. Look ninety eight ninety nine. Yeah nine bucks upload an image get imprinted throw you telling me. I have my own josh tech absolutely. You can have josh with the x. Affects graphics card above his head. From this shame you should have their mouth should have been a blur. You clicking upload image from the sarin discord which is where he's holding the graphics card over his head excellent so Yet that should be your mouse pad gift for everybody and it's pretty darn good deal. Go jump on that christmas gift. He's needs to find the soren committed that you're gonna you're gonna have to scroll back away. It's there it's soren throwing up but there are four lights with josh holding the card above his head with three lights on it. it's fantastic. It's freaking awesome. Go find finding the public discord channel. scrolling scrolling. It was the exact convolution of our star trek crossover and josh exit affects over his head. You just can't recapture that more. Talking about enterprise products as well was enterprise josh breaking head. Great arago and this is that for consolide. Not only i mean this is. I don't know this is going to be like josh. You're of youth. You need to combine that with an actual custom mouse pad that we actually give away who they do tricky. We've paramount. Would cbs would would be to phrase it can just throw it briefly in the u. Anyway yeah we yeah. That's it. I think because i don't have any pick How come you don't get to have any picks. Why is that. Because it's so busy getting ready and actually physically doing the show that i have. No it's not even. I don't want to force it. I want it to be an organic process for hand. Should consider buying this. Did you get that pipe fitter. Skit that I wanted to get for you know but hey christmas is going. Okay it's like a copper Cutting you know pipe welding. Kit sort of thing was few podcasts ago. That i recommend that for you. Christmas is coming christmas. Well yeah that's true. And i'm sure we'll probably have another one of those holiday weeks coming up christmas week. Probably probably won't do a show just like do a show last week because it was thanksgiving week. But hey indeed. Next week we will return and we will have more. We'll probably have a josh review to talk about. We'll have that review from kent talk about full metal. Kent and i hope and pray. No new graphics launches between now and then when the sixty nine hundred x t come out. Isn't that actually. Yeah next week now. Perfect climbing. I've got a case review launching tomorrow morning. So that'll be something to talk about as well. Hey look just keep just keep refreshing. Pc per dot com over and over all day and all night. Check our twitter account. 'cause we we post things when when the review goes up. What is that you have there router. it's not a router. believe it or not. It's actually a bag you. It's a mini. Pc instead zoo bite for does it have to do. You could use that as like a pf since box yet. This is the funny bidding. Let me let me see if i can point out right here okay. I don't know if this is going to read going to camera to over here. I said no radio or overnights. Yeah that is really cool and for those do lancet. Rpo anymore like exactly on the other side and client with his appeal of ood. No and and card reader. i'm backwards. You gotta use ten gigabit usb. C looks like at five yup. It's it's probably it's a five. I believe okay this. Actually this ran. Santa churches can charge a battery powered device at all. Here i don't know if you can read this. But here's this is the brick Hymns hundred votes two point. Awful that's to anxiety zips twenty four watts okay. Two amps twenty four watts impressive as hell for an actual full windows. Ten enabled by oracle multiple actually. Said it ran. It ran cine bench twenty three. And i'm gonna leave it. Okay did knocked. it did not die. Well cinnamon star twenty three the new one that was you know week to our apple m one so that's not gonna play minesweeper on it kind of nc and takes attempts after that we'll see how it goes and minesweeper now you and i worked for ten seconds and then the water well it's intel. Okay so it's it's it's not gonna falter at all i mean come on. There's no ten second downtime on this which just always slow. There's just. I didn't say that i have. I have a lever. ucs you going to hop on. I think you one of those things ridiculously small. It looks like a toy so it's less than half. It's like a quarter of all right. This is this. Is the bill a little bit bigger than the sticker on that japan. It's an actively cool. That's three one half. this is got nothing. In in fact i mean i cycled are twenty-three on this like ten times and i'm like i can still put my hand on this this now s- fan less man families. I don't know where you're coming from. This is the kind of. There's no fan expect reviewing josh. God please turn it off. Please turn it off. Make it stop. Yeah well anyway We probably won't keep that in the finished product but now enjoy. Enjoy this after show while you can. I didn't think we say goodbye. Because they know we can't says i got a wrap. This tin foil got too many antennas. And what does he mean by this. Don't answer that by bye guys later. Good show up recording there.

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The CEO You Need to Know About

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The CEO You Need to Know About

"Offer ends November thirtieth must take a five thousand dollar loan to qualify terms and conditions apply it's Wednesday October thirty thanks to cabbage for sporting market get the money you need to run your small business at cabbage dot com and use the code fool one hundred dollars of credit on your first loan statement four I mean this is this is a company that is now basically it's been cleared to raise money but I kind of have to ask for what right like Mattel not dead yet mattel not dead yet shares up seventeen percent third quarter results better than expected aw bid to debt or equity what are they going to use it for you know this is a company that's got a number of pretty tired this is this is not a growth company and you always have to wonder when a company goes to goes to the mat for some more capital to hopefully have strong holiday quarter because if you know if they get a new CFO in there the accounting stuff is out of the way the CFO is leaving but that seems to be okay normally a anytime I see either CEO or CFO leaving I'm Properties you know hot wheels did really well. This quarter American girl dolls did not their infant toddler segment is flagging a letter that came out in in August basically accused the company of mishandling it's it's accounting in two thousand seventeen world and as we just learned right before we started recording one of our colleagues is grilling hotdogs outback yes so let's do this show Scott Dornbos than expected sales in the third quarter from Tel sort of driving the stock today Yeah Barbie ten percent up ten percent hot wheels up ten percent interested like okay is this for good reasons for bad reasons this appears to be fine and this looks like the you know the the sales the L. Stock it's up big today but it's basically flat down slightly over the past year this seems like it has cleared the way for them said today was that they figured out that yes there actually was some mistakes there was a matter of one hundred million dollars worth of taxes that was not booked in one quarter and then there are other some of their other properties were lower but I really think that the the stock is is responding to the fact there was a whistle blower was booked in the in the next which was improper you're you have to wonder at the end of the day if it washed out you know but quarterly the quarterly earnings matter and it's it seems to have cost the CFO Joseph Manner I say that German started are industries where every quarter it seems like one division is sort of carrying the water once again with Mattel Barbie and really in you know bigger news for a company that requires a lot of capital to operate they had to halt a bond offering as a result so one of the things that they came out and the holidays. This really should be a quarter where you're doing as good if not even better than you just didn't Q. Three is funny question I don't know what their setup any sort of financial clouds over the company have cleared then I don't WanNa say they're set up for success but it's almost like all right we're going into the Josh the Reverend Reverend Scott Dornbush who probably doesn't get enough credit you know out in the public is is is doing being with Fisher Fisher price I mean they've got moves right this is a company that has that has really pretty incredible intellectual property but at some point you need to see something and it's not thing today for all of us absolutely shot to Ref all right we've got a chip stock we're GONNA different the full mailbag we gotta start with the stock of the day and that is somewhat surprisingly german-style it may be his job so this comes at a time where we're heading into the holidays and you look at me when you look at Mattel when they break out their sales by product category one of their product categories is vehicles now granted we're talking about hot wheels better was problematic and I'm just once again completely wrong I mean completely wrong I am guessing however that like me you enjoy the fact that I'm not seeing I'm not seeing new ideas coming out of the company let's move onto amd advanced micro devices A stock that we the financial clouds cleared yeah good sales but this is not one where you're like I'll I'll put this on my watch list not really I mean it's a company that just a path to hey let's raise some more money no absolutely and I think that you know it just as we've seen businesses in shareholders were so rabid about you know whether or not we're saying nice things about amd whether the things were in some of our services we've had we've we've had short in the past glad we don't at the moment I don't I uh-huh doing the heavy lifting because you're right they do have some tire brands Barbie does not appear to be one of them which if you were to list out there brands for me I would point to Barbie as being the really don't talk about all that often and business don't talk about all that often and maybe we should look she get the five year charter third quarter results this is a company that back in the day we almost thought of this as being like a third rail company because it's two facts highest revenue in more than a decade and a stock that has gone absolutely crazy yeah for the longest time tickles me our vehicle sales had trade well you know we're not catching up with Tesla just yet but we're doing okay so this is one talked about this earlier this is a thirty billion dollar market cap company this is not a dying enterprise and so I'm having a little difficulty squaring these stood out to you I mean they in terms of revenue I think they had their their biggest quarter in over a dozen years. Yeah it's the biggest quarter since two thousand and five Intel the dominant chipmaker. Amd Yeah they also do that too but they're tiny and there were stretches of time where and we weren't the only ones making this joke as you say was probably literally around to keep the regulators at bay for Intel but now you have to look at this was the primary competition and I'll just put the word competition in air quotes to Intel you know it's like Oh yes Mattel is as I said it's a company with with with with potential shots in its bag but at some point you have to say they they really haven't come up with anything yet This stock is up I believe more than tenfold at a time when Intel stock has done pretty well over the long term obviously Intel his is the bigger you segment I don't I can't really tell you you know seven nanometer you know chips versus anything else you know whether whether there winning or not but the fact is that was that this was a very tired company five six years ago and it was accompanied that is a non technological you know I don't really follow the technology as you know so you know they did great in the you know in the GP what amd's doing say and say they are they're competing just fine on their own you mentioned the let's just call it it's enough I mean there was no there was no such thing as to you know as too nice for amd so it's really interesting to be in United Senate Fan Base Fan Base I think is right back in the day and and it reminded me a little the people would joke about how amd was essentially monopoly insurance for Intel that's right it was like well what is it Intel just buy them or put them out you know. Amd was accompanied that both had really just huge elements that they were competing with or that they were fighting against and I really think Warren Buffett says that that companies get the shareholder base that they deserve these two companies it seems to me had yeah because b because I think that's I think that's exactly right and it's really hard to say as a non technician Joel requests for capital are separate installment loans issued by Celtic Bank member. FDIC did we determine that it was Celtic Not Celtic Bang yes and shadows you know accessing funds that's such a big part of starting a small business a lot of companies struggle with it when they're starting out so it's very true get the money that you need to run stomach

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JTT Tech News and Commentary - November 6, 2020

Joey's Totally Tech

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JTT Tech News and Commentary - November 6, 2020

"Hello everyone we hope you're doing well very well indeed during this crazy election where we wait for results and we promise not to talk about election is from this point on but just tech news. Yeah now trying to hear your none of the election stuff. Amd's market share is going up up up and an tower. Lisa's their first. Gpu's in two decades apple secretly released back back-tapped feature and oh one more thing. Keep listening to find out. Well give you details about the raspberry pi. Four hundred which i'm excited about and okay one small bit of election. News prop twenty two passes in california for uber and lyft drivers. Don't sorry about that. that's it though. Trust me that's an. Meanwhile a i can tell if you have covid from your cough. And nasa called voyager two and heard back sit back and relax. It's time for the tech. There's a commentary on. Joey's totally hello. And welcome to the november six twenty twenty of the tech news commentary on your host. Joey cable and i'm into garra and it's time for the general tech news. Amd reaches twenty percent market share highest since two thousand seven according to the q. Three twenty twenty report. Amd shared the recent mercury research. Cpi marketshare results. These results showed amd had reached its highest overall market share since two thousand seven and has its highest desktop share since twenty thirteen and the x eighty six market. Amd took its highest amount of share sits q. Two of twenty eleven. This comes as an md has been experiencing still our financial results pointing to amazing growth and also follows intel's reset disappointing earnings report. Particularly when it comes to intel's desktop pc process ourselves looks like amd's doing pretty well. We think about that. I think that's awesome. I think competition is always a good thing. I'm not a particular fan boy of either company. Though the past few years i've been pulling for. Amd despite having an entire processor. But i've got a used server. Cpu not a normal desktops. Ep so really. I think it's great that amd's catching up again. I'm a fan of the underdog typically for good story right. Yeah definitely. I mean both. Amd until have issues. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah but i think this is great for. amd the great that they've been able to catch up with their processors intel needs get back in the game they've been having trouble with their Processes over the past few years trying to get by ten nanometer process. Amd's seven nanometer. Now okay. so it's like intel's have trouble gained lowered work okay. Well i'm sure they'll be able to figure something out all right. So speaking of that. Intel launches iris maximum. Gp's entry level laptops intel's finally stepping back into the dp business after two decades shipping. Their gpu in oem laptops. They've lost her irish exc- max. Graphic solution is designed to complement intel's x lp integrated graphics into the tiger lake. Cp's xy maxwell chopin thin and light laptops as an updated graphics option and has a focus on mobile creation. So this is really meant to be position as game solution but more of a mobile content creation solution helping in applications such as handbrake to pixel image up sampling software other productivity increase tasks still. The susceptive compete with nvidia. His latest generation entry level solution. Mx extra fifty baby steps. You now baby steps. I think it's good. They're getting into that at least the contact creation. Dps yeah that'll make some money from that you know Contact creators want to have that. Gps helps speed up the rendering process. Yeah for sure. Yeah crazy like how much you know. You're seen as far as content wise as far as like rendering like you know Special effects three d images all kinds of stuff on to. Yeah it's pretty wild well even with just regular video editing like you don't need that powerful of a graphics card to render to to speed it up you know just any dedicated. Gpu yeah that's going to speed up the rendering process for the youtube videos or wherever you go to upload videos. Yeah for sure. I mean. I know i've i i remember like years ago. I was up like youtube all day. You know i'm sure by now. It's probably caught up. Yeah so even though intel's not competing what's the gaming. Gps yeah you know they're going to compete with the likes of like Gatx Was at ten thirty. I think it was something like that. Okay but that's Example of what they compete with. I think you know hard. I mean it's lower in cars. Obviously these different products that are needed for situations. Yeah so apple's secret button. On the iphone and ios fourteen apple has implemented a feature called back tap and i o s. Fourteen adds a new hardware button to the iphone. Backed-up turns the entire back of the phone and two a touch sensitive button which can trigger specific buttons said. He could be modified inside of the accessibility menu feature could be integrated with shortcuts. So you could do almost anything you imagine what this feature. I could tell you right now. Though i have iphone six s running ios fourteen. That's not going to work with that phone. That must beaten phones. I can handle it. Do you think it works. You have a case like the settings for don't even show up and they're now no i'm gonna thomas philosophically i get that. I'm saying like like an iphone. Twelve well normally on the back of the case or it's going to be opening for the apple logo. They show that apple the so i assume people will be tapping their if nowhere else. Yeah they think of that. Because i always usually just have a full case so right always have like a wall on the back of my phone. Gotcha yeah things usually all covered up. So yeah if you're using the case and it's completely covering the back of it up because gives us feature. You might want to take it off. So i wonder what liked you're going to do with that because i remember a few years ago when the seven came out or i think it was the success. Actually that's when they started doing like three d. tapping if you tap softly does one thing with your tap harder else. I've never even noticed that on my phone. I think it's just for like. I think if you tap softly it'll bring up instead of like all the most apps like we tap on it regularly opens the app just tap softly and hold look a little options thing. What else punch the screen Now my warranty. I don't know. I don't have a warranty on this. I got a years actually got a free so you have a war in your five year old cellphone. What are you thinking. Hey it's a it was a free phone for me. I understand that. Oh and one more thing yes arm. Based max apple has announced another fall media event as expected one more thing. We'll talk on arm based apple silicon processors. This'll take place on november tenth. The event will be streamed from the apple park headquarters starting at ten. Am pacific time. Apple has decided to split their traditional media events into three separate streams because of the pandemic macos. Big sur is the first mac operating system to support both intel. Cpu and apple silicone processors apple. Silicon macs will also be able to run iowa as little modification. Yeah that's pretty exciting Especially for apple users. I feel like this is going to be the first time in a while. That apple has really truly different machines from like the intel and amd machines. Yeah because until an md. They're focused on the x eighty six type of processors these are arm based processors. Now when does they've got version of windows. That could run on arm as wall. So i don't know if we're going to see version of boot camp. Yeah to get windows running on these. Max might be interesting also between say like an arm and x eighty six processor. It's the type processor. So basically you have a two big types of processors. You have a sisk processor. Which is what the intel. Amd processors are the or the x eighty six processors. and you have rest processors. And i'm trying to remember what they each stand for. That's risk r. I s. c. r. i s. k. Gotcha basically if i could explain a easily The risk is reduced. Unstructured set code. If i remember correctly okay so the rest processors just require less code to the processor to figure out something where the sys- processors that are like x eighty six that requires more code so Arm processor arrest processor cabeza faster. Gotcha i just requires less code. So let's say run around the house ten times. Yeah i just tell you that okay. We're i'd had tell an intel processor. Something a bit longer to get the same results. Gotcha okay okay. That makes sense now. I get it. Yeah yeah all right So tell us about this facebook dark. Mode so yeah. Facebook is testing out the dark mode and mobile app for both android and ios. You could access us feature the he'd 'em privacy saturate under the menu tab for those who don't know what dark mode As you might notice like there's been a trend and more recent years for apps to have a darker look to reduce i strain. Yeah and so you can turn that on. Might be good at particular times of day than sometimes you might want something brighter and you could switch it to a brighter mood mindset for like automatic so like during the day. I'm bright mood then like at night. It's dark moved. So yeah so you know depending on how you want to do it or dark guy or do you kind of grunted like a dark bowed though as you see on my monitors at the moment is not very dark notices it. Well you got like you know word processing software Yeah basic windows gray. You know yeah. I think i can change the theme and audacity and i've got i'm testing out the lennox version of edge here. Okay and right now. The theme is very bright so not a dark mode there but but on your phone you matter usually on my thought i go dark mode Let's see i know. I've played around with a dark abode on the facebook desktop. I can't remember if that was something. Belted facebook or if it was just Chrome extension had. I can't tell you the last time. I use face come. I desktop have chrome extension. That will do dr bohdan any website. Okay yeah so let's see. Oh yeah this is something. i'm excited about. I'm going to let you talk about though antoni up your raspberry pi fan. So the raspberry pi four hundred has been announced. It's a compact keyboard with built in computer. This device is a compact keyboard was an arm based computer. Bill is available. Standalone for seventy dollars or thermo. Power supply mike. St card issue my cable ambient guy at four hundred dollars as a metro card slot to usb three point. Oh ports a single usb two point. Zero port uses usb c for power as a g. p. i o. Header for attaching a variety of devices as a quad core. One point eight gigahertz arm cortex a seventy two processor gigabit ethernet bluetooth five points and eight zero two point. One one a. c. wi fi. Yeah so not only. Am i a fan of the raspberry pi. You know that already. But i think you know i'm a fan of computers are like all in the keyboard mike. Retro style. computers see the talent talking earlier. That's how i'm pc which by the way we're going to have part two of that Coming this monday. I've upgraded the firmware. Finally okay so that's a good thing. Unfortunately i know. I'm not gonna have time to bring you in for that episode as i want to get that release monday morning and while release the harassed of that but yes so you know has got to take a break for that episode. Save me a twenty minute. Drive antonio's a hard worker hard. So so yeah. I'm excited about this. I hope it together for christmas. If i don't then i'll probably by myself. You better make sure you on the naughty list. Better make sure. Yeah so okay so next. Stop speaking of lennox machines like the raspberry pi or like what i'm running lennox met creates their own browser. Based on chromium. Lennox meant which is based on the bunted distribution has created their own chromium web browser Version for their Repos maintaining the chromium browser was a huge time investment for the ubuntu desktop team. So they switched to snap packages to distribute the browser which a lot of lennox users. Hey but this has resulted at security issues. Which meant developers felt they needed to fix. Lennox meant cut. Snap out of it distribution bution back. June and the snap based chromium from their distribution up-to-date builds of chromium are finally available for many users. There had been a delay as meant needed to mate the process of detecting package gene and compelling new versions of this browser for those of you who don't know chromium as the source code that google chrome as bastogne all right. So what do you think about this new links Browser i mean. It's just basically the chromium web browser. It's not anything really new. I'm glad that. I mean i've had a lot of problems snaps myself. Okay snap exactly so a snap is kind of a lennox platform agnostic distribution act not agnostic. Okay package. Actually so i could take us that and anywhere else that snap is stalled. Lennox distribution was snapped. Yeah you can install it there okay. I'm not a fan of snap because i've had a. She is with with sometimes snaps. Not working right. Or just if i wanted to remove want. Sometimes i've had problems removing it. So you kinda trading Convenience for reliability right. Well i prefer Is a thing called app images. I've had great success with app. I love them. There's also another alternative called flat pack. Which i've used flat tax. I haven't had any issues with flat tax. I prefer images right on okay. Great thing about don't even need to stall anything to have ap images work. That's just a single foul. Doubleclick a up. That sounds pretty convenient. Yeah and you don't have to worry about Dependencies that you had to download because all right in there and you can transfer from one computer to another easily right as a portable application. I love it cool. Cool i so California voters say that uber and lift. Do not have to reclassify their workers as employees. The only election is. We're covering today. Okay you promise before. Yeah i promise only thing on. The ballot in california during the election was prop twenty two measure which maintains the status of uber drivers as independent contractors rather than employees being. They will provide them with few new benefits. Ken jacobs chair the labor center at the university of california berkeley so the proposition quote. We'll take away basic rates benefits for drivers under the law and well there is in california have passed proposition twenty two. This comes after a previous bill assembly. Bill five or ab five required many businesses to reclassify their contractors to be employees under certain circumstances. The new bill exempts ride sharing companies from eighty-five so at based drivers can continue to be classified as gig. Workers with the new law does not address larger problem which was meant to stop labor misclassification type of employer fraud or staffer mislabeled contracts. Yeah so i have mixed feelings about this. Because i know that a lot of these people working for like uber and left. There's a lot of them that like being classified as contractors. There's advantages and disadvantages. Yeah but at the same time. I've kind of feel like there's You know labor. She is there. So i feel like lifting uber companies. Like taking advantage of i do. Yeah okay but at the same time those copies are claiming they would it be able to hire as many people if they were -ployees es and i get that but i think we should be treating our workers fairly and you know i'm a pro union guy myself so i'm more on the union side. As far as this goes. Yeah and so. I feel like they need to treat their employees or not technically employees or contractors fairly. It's like you know we've talked about wrestling quite a bit here though wrestler podcasts. Yeah like w we for a long time has treated their wrestlers employees though they're independent contractors but at least according to what they say. They can't go work for any other wrestling company as as part of their contract. Yeah but then. They should be employees. I understand you're saying i know. That's a big issue of contention right now. And i think like angie is actually gotten involved with that. Yeah andrew young has called them out on that and injuring. Someone who. I'm kind of a big fan of as far as that type of thing goes. I think it's crazy right now is I i don't know if you've heard about this but Wbz's cracking down on a lot of their wrestlers using things like twitch and things like that. Oh yeah definitely. I heard about that. So there in some of these wrestlers are making a lot of money from this And basically came in and said. Hey you know you're kind of using your wrestling name or notoriety from wrestling to make money in this other plaque yeah. I haven't talked much about that on here. Yeah i definitely fake that i think. Wwe is essentially creating are committing does labor classification really. The biggest problem happens. Though is that they're basically they have to. They can still run their put streams. I think the biggest thing right now is twitching cameo with other things too. But they're saying you can make money off of this but it goes to us and it comes out of your downside guarantee. Yeah that so. It's basically like okay. You're making this money on your own. We're not doing anything. You're dot here hustle and trying to make a little bit extra money and we're gonna come through and basically take it because they're they're giving you the money back but it's coming out of your paycheck. So yeah i don't think. Wwe should be doing that. You know. I mean even if their employees i think that sounds shady is hell right because technically that you've been your employees at your contract. Yeah i would've liked the retail store. I worked for just Taking money that i made for this podcast. Yeah got it makes any money but well. Yeah but i mean. I guess their argument is like you know we're investing in you and your character but at the same time too. It's like you can go out and make movies. yeah. I'm sure they didn't take all the rocks money when he made the very first was it. Mummy returns but whatever the from from an old school spans. I sort of get it because wrestlers back in the day. They weren't supposed to break character on anything like that. They were supposed to stay in character. Wherever they were at wrestlers today they're breaking character on twitch and wherever else they stream you know. I think it just got to the point like the cats which out of the bag i mean. Man himself kind of broke k. Fade in the late nineties during the attitude era and now just with social media and youtube and everything matt. It's out the door. Reality show is about what's going on behind the scenes. Yeah he bid but sometimes wwe likes to act like. It's not out of the bag. Part of i think that's part of the fun of being arrested again is just the meta humor. It's kind of like you know you're watching the tv show about a fictional wrestling company but at the same time to some things in the real world where actually happening so right. Yeah so it seems like. Wwe goes back and forth. Sometimes they're us where justice is not a real sport and then other times. They're like we don't want people knowing that says fake they probably they probably just decide like which was gonna make us the most money in this situation. Yeah i guess so So anyway no. Netflix is is raising. The price of standard premium plans at the us that flex will be raising the prices of the standard and premium plans over the next two months standard will now be fourteen dollars per month in premium will be eighteen dollars per month. Recently net also raise prices at canada price increases here. The us are also expected. That's currently not known of prices will increase in net flicks and other markets. I don't see why they increase. But you know i swear. Netflix raises price like every year. It seems like now. Yeah well everyone else has raised their prices. I mean you know i guess. I can't say i'm really surprised you know. That's only a natural thing. Oh yeah. I mean supply and demand and inflation as well. Yeah for sure so okay. so People are jailed breaking use tesla's to get features that they expect tesla sometimes clause back soffer upgrades from news cars and removes features owners paid for at the time of sale. In order to get the features back they have to pay tesla. The full cost of the feature to turn it back on. Employees at tesla are told to put the software features back if people complain to avoid negative publicity. The company can turn off any feature for any reason. Some owners has soared jailbreak when they're tesla's enable features themselves. This may keep you from losing your tesla but it does. Ford your warranty i. I'm just imagining i mean. I don't know much about jell breaking tesla's i'm just imagining some plugging task slot into their computer and hacking into it. Yeah i don't know man. Jailbreak is one thing. I don't wanna break your car man. It's game over. You could be good. Yeah discover reminds me of I remember maybe ten years or so this thing. Video games were i. Guess to to combat like the aftermarket resale of video games. A lot of games would require a ten dollar online pass so yeah so if you buy the gate brand new because a little bouchier inside and you just download the passer free but then if you buy used then you had to pay ten dollars to play outline if you choose so so so i guess this is just another way that they're trying to kind of like. Oh you don't want that used car from last year by this brand new car that we just made right so virgin hyperloop is going to test their transport system in west virginia virgin hyperloop. One plans to build a five hundred million dollars. Certification center and west virginia will act as a center to test develop and validate technology behind the hyperloop system the system as stealthy radical and there's no fully functioning hyperloop. As of yet that has been tested with human passengers virgin hyperloop one reportedly sent its magnetic levitating pod through an air was to up to two hundred forty miles per hour at their test facility. North of las vegas the theoretical maximum speed as seven hundred miles per hour and the company believes it can be achieved with an additional one point two miles of track. They plan on bellied their first hyperloop system in india. So it's like a virgin in milan. Muscular rayson. For the hyperloop thing. I don't know if they're actually working together. Or if they're competing with each other. I need to do a little more research on that. Honestly i feel like i have heard about because i know Must've been doing his hyperloop for a few years right. Yes i mean guess. It's possible but i don't think they would never know there's Even though they compete often timeshares cooperation between Tat companies while. That's you know. Like i've mentioned in the past apple microsoft work together on matto loss and they compete with each other sometimes competition. If you work together you can help a little something. Yeah back in the day Microsoft created microsoft basic for the commodore sixty four as well as a lot of other platforms yeah. Meanwhile they're trying to get their own. Ms dos am basic on ibm compatible. Pc's and eventually get their own operate. Insist about their and forget all those are all right so game stop has cancelled an employee contest. Employees can earn extra black. Friday work hours so k. Suffolk reportedly cancelled a company wide. Contests that one employees to perform a synchronized tiktok dance in exchange for prizes including extra work hours. Black friday us out in november through that games up announced tiktok competition other prizes. The winner could receive included an amazon echo late. An amazon echo auto and a hundred dollars visa gift card so given ours is a prize. Yeah that the other prizes. I get yeah okay so as a retail worker. I guess a common complaint. We have as our hours are being cut. You know and i'm short game. Stop is probably pretty bad about it as much Negative stuff as i hear about game. Stottlemyre closing source and yeah. I'm sure they're hours probably aren't grade at the same time. I don't want my reward to be more hours of work. I don't think that should be something they asked for. And get you know. It's like ours or visa card and that's a no brainer now. Do they want to add ten hours to my chat without me working. Those yes please. That's an award or time or something. Yeah yeah it's an award is not like here's more work. You have to know why they're going out of business. I don't i yeah game. Stop just out of touch with reality you know. Yeah you ever watch camelot. Three three one on youtube. I have not. What is that okay. So that's a guy. I can't remember as exact name off the top of my head but he goes by camelot. Three three one on youtube and he was fired from game stop. he has to be a game. Stop manager okay and Since then he's been making a living going on gamespot as well as other companies like Amazon lowes walmart et cetera. About like the ridiculous stuff that they're went to their employees. Yeah so it's another youtube Guy a i listen to you. Sometimes it's clean prince gaming. He was a former employee of games up to and he's pretty cool about like to the practice of the employees that he's not really cool. If i think. I partially like camelot. Three three one and my girlfriend does too. Because he's from alabama and. Has this really strong southern accent. Okay yes those guys are being too and that ends with seeing blah. Yeah then as like the altro. I mean after that. That's like all heavy metal but anyway we'll be right back. After this message. The music sound effects were using on the. Joey's totally tech podcast. Well we get the licensing for this. Be as through epidemic sound if you're a content creator creating video on youtube or other social media platforms or fellow podcast or visit. Bit dot l. Y. jt epidemic. That's bit dot l. Y. slash. Jt epidemic and you can sign up for a subscription for as little as fifteen dollars per month. They have a wide variety of jonah's of music as well as sound effects. You can incorporate into your content. You don't have to pay royalties you. Just pay the monthly subscription fee or you can also buy lifetime licenses to particular tunes and effect too so if you want to use some fresh music and help support this podcast to check out. Bit dot l. y. slash jt epidemic and sign up for epidemic. Sounds today off welcome back. Thanks for listening. Now we've got a couple of stories today in the gaming news games are heading record-setting levels as a stay at home activity during the pandemic and surprise to no one. I think more people are playing video games while they can't leave the house or choose not to leave. During the pandemic spending on games from march to august went up thirty percent or more when compared to the same month a year ago. Many say video games are providing a safe way to get together with family or friends. Virtually or at home. Some say this baby more of a permanent social behavioral change global video game revenue is actually expected to jump twenty percent just this year to one hundred seventy five billion dollars. This is based on the pandemic boosted q three earnings result of gaming companies like activision and sony and reflects increased sales for both physical and digital games throughout mobile pc and consoles with more people. Sheltering at home this year. S like you said. This is really not a surprise. Anyone people have more free time. You more leisure activities so yeah sure if check the status other leisure activities that have gone up as well but obviously be pretty popular fight. Covid nineteen stay home and play video games. Yes yes Yeah especially with these new consoles coming out. It's pretty crazy year for gaming. General is just you know. I can't believe. I think Off you've seen by angle crossing. I think it became the second best selling video game on the switch. Yeah that doesn't surprise me. I mean. I didn't hear the news but it really doesn't surprise. Be as much as my friends. Talk about animal. The time it came out like right when the pandemic drops weeks later and that everyone was playing. Yeah so but it's cool. Because you know i mean it's interactive you can visit people's islands all this other stuff so So the g force. Rtx thirty sixty ti is to launch december second blaze rtx. Three thousand series card will be released december. Second and we'll get forty eight hundred sixty four shaded cores chinese forum by drivers chaired. Initially that the date would be on november seventeenth site said it would also have eight. Gigabytes of gdp are sixty ran. The site said the price would be about three hundred seventy eight euros. That's four hundred forty three dollars and sixty eight cents you Us but of course the price of the be adjusted a bit here in the us. Yeah so. I'm i'm find that this is getting into the more affordable graphics cards for pc so not like the high end enthusiast Cards for something that the more average gamers to buy it still quite rightly out of my price range at the moment. Because i'm poor sunday. Come on guys you guys all sign up for the exclusive anyway that fifty dollars a year. That really help you guys know right baby steps baby steps so Yeah the that's excited though. This is more the mid range graphics. Cards here Which i think most gamers will go for. Yeah and then like when they get to thirty fifty. I'm not sure if they're going to gts x. Are rtx thirty fifty with this generation. I guess ought to wait and see. Because i know the previous generation it was Gts of course. Rtx a newer thing with ray cherry seen cores enabled on the hardware. Yeah so anyway next up space and science news ooh so a reef found near the great barrier reef is seen to mean taller than the empire state building. A five hundred meter high coral reef was found. North of australia's great barrier reef is the first discovery of this type in hundred twenty years. Scientists use an underwater robot called sebastian to explore the reef. The great barrier reef is the world's largest coral reef but has lost more than half its coral since nineteen ninety five to climate change. This new reef is detached from the great barrier reef is one point five kilometers wide and is one of seven other tall reason the area. That's interesting i wonder if it's like nature's way of like just fixing itself over time mesa based Probably i mean they say got adapt to survive off coral. They're one of the earliest forms around. So they're probably used to have to adapt to different situations right. Yeah so. Scientists have found a new way to navigate under the sea. Gps systems can't work. Underwater says water breaks down the radio waves. Gps to function mit scientists have developed a device known as an underwater back scattered localization or ub l. Which provides positioning information using acoustic sehgal's without even the is in a battery. Existing underwater devices require batteries and usually act as sound emitters. The ub l. reflects signals back to its source using a charge gained from the at has built worth but due to this method. The materials used to store energy. The performance is random but using a range of frequencies scientists can pinpoint locations with accuracy. So there's some new under seen advocation technology. Do you think that. I mean i not really evolved much with under seed allegation but i think that's great for Those are working underwater scientists or divers et cetera. To help figure out where they're going to fire fuel submarine and take it. I know then. I don't even have a submarine man. Parking your parking lot then That's my girlfriend's car or an apartment. So that can be anyone's car also submarine russians living here. Maybe all right. So a weird molecule titan's atmosphere hints at complex chemistry and. I understand if you've heard this name of the molecule by the way. I don't think i can even pronounce it right. Give it a try. I'm gonna give it the old college try. Nasa scientists discovered cli- clo- pro pending clyde insein. That's not it it's cost is a very long word about seven syllables. In the atmosphere saturn's moon titan. It's a simple carbon-based molecule which has never been seen in any through before titan has been considered one of the most promising places to search for extraterrestrial life for some time cyclo pin cyclocross pollock. You'll i wanna get women overtime. Cyclo pro penalty dine psycho. Dean is part of a class of molecules known to form an important part of the backbone of dna and aurigny. This presence of the small fuel may mean that there could be life giving chemistry on the moon. Which isn't water. Based so what do you think. The cyclo pepperdine in the atmosphere of titan. That's and i am not going to try to pronounce that. Word cyclope dean. I have tried to. If i assign it to myself but inside it to i see you're trying to miss me up over you know. I think it's just the way i did it. I i yeah. I just You know. I kind of like randomly to start with one. Our names of the just go from there. Understand how the pattern films day now. I know why you dropped all those video games stories plan so yes it's pretty crazy like i guess you can. You can somehow use this chemical as it's part of the important makeup for dna ra. Like i know there's a you know the theory here on earth is that you know. Dna was formed from amino acids and eventually indian a closer together to make amoeba zain procreates. Yeah stuff so yeah who knows some stuff out there on. So i mean it's like a something that's commonly found end dna and so it's like it's an atmosphere there so that seems like there's some sort of life there for sure some on some scale at least who knows. Maybe they're finding you and it's not worth famous from. He's from the planet titan as well. I think i know the news from the moon of titan office saturn. I'll think there is movie though. Yeah so maybe fane israel real thanos copter either. Yeah i thought the famous copper was cheesy anyway. But that's just me. It was camp. Okay yeah okay. So kim lab-grown brains gained consciousness. What do you think some naturally grown brains having gained consciousness yet. So we'll see well brain or or miniature. Human brain set are grown from human stem. Cells are now common in labs that study the properties of the brain in two thousand nineteen experiment reported coordinated waves of activity at some of the brain organoids. Let's resembled the kind of activity in the brain that would be seen in premature babies. It's unknown whether it's an indication that the brain organoids were conscious. Researchers are calling for a set of guidelines to guide the humane use of the brain organoids and other experiments that could achieve consciousness. But first scientists need to define what conscious this is in order to develop these guidelines. Well this is like probably a pretty big ethical issue. It sounds like the began to a horror film. You asked me. Yeah i mean i guess there is it ethics love. They're like how you define consciousness like you know. I know a is just sort of pick up here but you know the next fifteen hundred years you know. We can have fully functioning android that can feel and make decisions. I are in all kinds of stuff but yeah you know at that point. Will they be considered to be conscious or they just always is a very very complex system. Yeah but Billion of the day. Aren't we all just very very complex systems you know. Yeah but these brain organoids. It's like their organic life. This is like definitely possibly life. You know yeah. I mean it's like it's like you know i know it's human tissue and all that so that's an even different. That's like just a few brainwaves but it might not have a body but Gosh come on. That's like. I don't know at the same time to even if you have a brain like even if it's conscious quote unquote like you can't receive anything. There's years is no. Yeah now. this is so it's like i don't know who knows. I don't know what it's consciousness is like without everything there you know It sounds like we're kind of hell. It's like you blake into existence miniature brain. Yes open your life but you can't see or hear anything i don't know anything or would you be conscious of that point. I mean i guess technically your consciousness side the uterus manure inside stomach but yeah. I don't remember any of that so all right. Well yeah so you don't remember any of that so that baffling does it. Seem like a baby but Why does some memory seemed like movies antonio well you may have some memories which play like movies these are known as episodic memories scientists have identified the cells which make episode of memory possible time sells plays a time stamp on these memories as they're being formed along events or experiences recalled in the right order time sales have been identified before in mouse brains but this is the first time they've been in humans. The president's of time cells in humans explains why people with damage to the hippocampus have problems remembering events in the right order. Yeah that's interesting so you can't remember things in the right order you've probably have damage to the hippocampus. Maybe yeah that was It'd be pretty weird. If you just remember things out of order like yeah. This morning. I got up. I had lunch shower. That i had breakfast. That my morning exercises bed then. I yeah i went to bed a dead by workout. Sure but Yeah i don't know that would be pretty wild actually. I was watching the tv show just watching mister robot. Have you seen that. I've heard of it. i haven't seen. It should definitely check it. Probably be up your alley. It's about this guy. He's a hacker and like I spoil it. But there's this part where he's going to like this mental problem where it's just like this kind of way. They kind of see it from his perspective. Y- really messes with you as the viewer because things are happening kind of in a different way than you expect right. I kind of like a westworld. You've seen that now. i know about it. I haven't seen it but yeah west. We'll do a lot of things with time and that were it's like they'll have like two different timelines playing out simultaneously. It's really weird but yeah by the way you probably hear some meowing in the background if you listen closely enough that's my cat. He's a one inch guy outside. He's not going outside but he wants to go outside or he wants attention. One of these mouse out there. He just he. He lived a long time outside before we adopted them. Tell me that yeah so. He he constantly wants to go out there so Brain cell dna refiled itself to aid memory recall and grim cells in the brain activate as we for memories they also reactivate one river member them at mit scientists published a study that track the memory making process at the molecular level and the study mice with a fluorescent marker spliced into their genome to make their cells glow and they expressed a gene associated with a with memory formation were trained to fear a specific noise. Scientists found fine grain changes in the architecture of the dna of hippocampal ingram cells. This makes it easier for memory associated genes to work to strengthen and preserve memories all right so we got brain cell dna reporting itself or anything of that. Yeah that's interesting stuff. I'm no expert on that. But you know scientists myself on line two brains but we're going to move beyond that now. Yeah antonio so tell us a little bit about this. Ai less into your cough well. Apparently there's an a. I can tell you kobe. Nineteen based on your cough. Researchers at mit created a tool using neural networks which can detect subtle changes in a person's cough until other person has been infected with covid nineteen if there are no other symptoms in the test the tools able to recognize ninety eight point five percent of coughs people with confirmed cases and one hundred percent of costs from asymmetric people. Asymmetric carriers were less likely to get tested and are hard to manage during a pandemic researchers warn. The method shouldn't be used as a substitute for getting properly tested. But its use could help improve your rates. Yeah that's really interesting so if you don't want that stuck up your nose just need asli you know maybe this can do before you actually do. The swab of feels sobriety tests. Before they take the station. Yeah of course they may still have to do the swab because this is meant to be replacement for the test. I guess it's really more meant to detect it. But then once they detected like right now you got test you so yeah So candid information escape a black hole. That's the big question right. Theoretical physicist are doubts saying with confidence that information can in fact escape up blackhall. Most physicists have long assumed us but a new set of calculations has confirmed this with a theory information gets out through the workings of ordinary gravity with a single layer of quantum physics. Einstein's general theory of relativity states that the gravity of a black hole is so intense that nothing escapes it but scientists are finding additional semiclassical effects become dominant when black holes get very old transforming the black hole into an open system. Where information could spell out so like what you're saying is if a black holes old enough we can hear from the other side when i hear it but you know what i'm saying. Yeah i i'm not certain like kind of information I mean like you know a signal or something like that. I guess yeah obviously not sound young black holes man. They're pretty crazy. Yeah i know we know very little about black holes so yeah. That's kind of hard to comment on but me as say about it. It's a clap star. That's so dense. Stephen liking escape it. Yeah if you look at it. Looks like a fricken of void of a bubble in space right so anyway. Do you think mars possibly has a or early of the moon. Rather possibly has a long lost twin. i don't know. But apparently scientists have found an asteroid trailing behind mars with the compensation quite similar to our moons it can be part of the debris resulting from the impact that formed the moon and other rocky planets in our solar system trojans are a type of asteroid that follow planets. It's easier to spot mars. Trojans earth since earth churches are angled towards the sun. Which makes it hard to see. There are a number of theories about the origin of this particular asteroid research from the mars. Trojan should help. Scientists identified charges associated with our own planet. I'm not sure why exactly they're called. Trojans i'm thinking like a trojan horse like we had gone there pretending to be peaceful need. Have soldiers sneak hidden in there and invade the sound like that at all. I guess 'cause. I dunno version does the trojan refal somebody. I don't know maybe. I don't know if anyone knows the reason for the naming leszno any ancient greek historians out there. Please hit the tagline. Yeah nine eight oh nine. Nine zero eight three five. That's one eight zero nine nine. Zero t k finally remember the number. How yes all right so so yes space acts. That's you yup. Yeah they're going to make own laws when they go to mars. Listen to be a bad yet at all. I don't know. I really wanna corporation making laws for us. If we missed mars elon. Musk has revealed plans to create a self sustaining city on march last week. They'll likely use starling. Satellites for internet. Connectivity spacex will not recognize international law on mars. The company will adhere to set of self governing principles defined at the time of marshaled settlement. That's a position. Similar to a declaration put forward by the earth light foundation a nonprofit organization that is committed to preparing for the expansion of humanity beyond earth. So he'll on monday his own little crazy clubhouse up there on mars anything of that. Yeah i really don't know it's like well. That's assuming we get to mars safely to begin with and i'll figure it out. Yeah yeah but right now. It's like your blood boil. If you're to go to bars the way it is right now they'd had to figure something out in order to even get humans. They're very tricky. It's tricky by bay guests. You're the tell you all the laws for you go there so it's like what do you mean. I can't smoke like throw tila. You can't smoke but yeah like i. I find that low concerning that a corporation that's going to be making the laws for Civilization dishes doing it. She we saw tomorrow. We already have that but see. I don't know it's like. I think that's a problem. There's no right answer to that because it's like no matter what everyone's got their own interest but yeah i grew said in the past. This thing is a perfect system. Yeah but you know. I'm thinking this could potentially be fascist system. You know i mean that'd be. But i mean yeah you run that risk with any government. Though i know but who's to say you know the have corporations in charge of the government that's closer to fashion system but anyway Let's see we. We have a lot of work before we even get to mars. Like i said if he had tried to do with the stuff right now. If you could even get there you tried to land on mars. You're going to have a blood boiling and you're gonna die. I mean the obviously visit questions. You gotta ask before you go there. They're getting it here now. Like right we're here now again. Do yeah hopefully we figure out because we do need to get off this planet. But i'd rather have. I don't know i just don't feel good about a corporation running a settlement that are of any type of Governmental type thing. That's my opinion. I mean but really wasn't the planet so yeah i was got to be in charge right. I guess so. Yeah all right so antonia. You'd take this last one. all right. So nasa has called borgia to an answered from interstellar space word you to has an in space for forty three years now and it's one hundred and twenty five astronomical units away from earth in one thousand eight nine. Scientists ordered voyager two to fly introductory wishes alternate only being able to communicate with radio attentive facility in canberra australia. Had to be refereeing march at work will be completed if of next year. The test the new hardware boys. Your mission managers sent a series of signals the voyager to which it responded to it was the first time since march that nasa was able to communicate with the spacecraft. Yeah so i mean. I think it's actually that voyager two's out there it's able to get data from outside our solar system you know And we're able to hear back from it. Yeah it's only got one place where it can be picked up And it's kind of weird. You think been that far away does the intended to be on australia. Can't be anywhere. But yeah i mean i guess what the trajectory what you have to be in. Canberra australia to tell you. I guess moving in a straight line. It's product ahead. Anything does yeah. There's zero friction out there. Poor satellite or not sallai both spacecraft probably feels all alone out there. I think the saddest thing i ever heard was. I know you heard the mars. The mars rover sees itself happy birthday every year. On the those aesthetic thing. You've heard i felt bad for our space equipment. Poor over now so lonely out there. Well listen. I can hear you scream. Yeah or saint to yourself. And now i'm thinking of that honey. Bunches of oats commercial with the other night. They alien the ashford non in it. Saying i'm hungry space. I lost my crispy honey flakes. I like the honey commercial over that I think so. It's like the nineties. Cereal called money honey. Yeah so they'd be eating cereal via closed-door they'd be like oh watch aid not in honey Yeah i remember now. Yeah all right well. This has been a great Episode of the tech news and commentary. Iva joey k goal fanny antonio garra. We will catch you next time. Laters later people talk.

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Apple M1 Looks REALLY Good - WAN Show November 20 , 2020

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Apple M1 Looks REALLY Good - WAN Show November 20 , 2020

"Okay i was reading so it's not pick up on something and welcome to the show ladies and gentlemen the only show where we talk tech news Maybe i don't know fifteen. Twenty percent of the time even though it allegedly attacked new show. I mean if you really wanted tech news you would go watch tackling anyway. I mean this guy. He doesn't even work in like review tech media anymore. How schilling as if plan flow. I we've got a great show for you guys today. The apple silicon m one reviews are coming out and it looks pretty good. Which is the exact opposite of what i said. Apparently you flamed it pretty hard you said. It was guaranteed to be terrible. You said the whole architecture from the ground up with just garbage. I did really inflammatory video. Could you the timestamps for where i said that in the video please don't like go through the rest of the great topics we're going to have today own. Andy's radon rx sixteen hundred series has launched. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah sort of talk about that. Talk about that a bit. What else we got apple drops apps store fees sort of We'll also talk about that later. Got a lot of sort of. Don't we that luke personally it and now it's personal. Yeah don don don. Also no one is safe. Youtube is adding more ads including two channels. That are not able to turn on monetization. And we'll talk more about how that works later on day are my fill rates going to go down. We'll this sucks. Gosh darn it youtube now. I'm so mad that i could just roll. The intro rates are less important than if you couldn't roll the their settings in here on youtube. I actually forgot to enable life fat but it's definitely enabled and i did remember to enable slow but that doesn't not appear to be enabled so i don't yeah i don't really know how that works but that's okay because it doesn't matter anymore. Let's go ahead and kick off with our first topic today. This was supposed to by random kid. No random kid on the forums reviews are beginning to trickle in about the new max based on. Apple's am one and so far. The verdict even among those who weren't given advance samples is pretty positive. The common factor all reviewers are talking about is just how cool the chimps run. Anthony came to me actually within probably about an hour and a half of getting his hands on the mac minis like the fan doesn't turn up and i was like. Wow that's pretty cool While the macbook air does thermal throttle. It is apparently not a significant hindrance. That's something that anthony has been working on his well. Unfortunately some of the tools that we rely on for measuring cpu power states clock speeds. And all that kinda stuff don't exist because some of them are intel specific tools that run specifically on intel processors and unlike on the pc where they're sort of like diagnostic utilities for absolute days. Many of which are community supported or open source on the mac. There's not a whole lot so when something really fundamental changes like this it can take a little bit of time for well for anything to kind of come out that allows you to dig into it Fortunately though you can measure performance at the very least we do have a thermal camera so there are definitely things that we can do and so far. It's looking pretty good. The mac mini and macbook pro rarely if ever even have to ramp up their fans in order to reach maximum performance and don't seem to suffer from any thermal throttling. That was actually something. That if i recall correctly is speculated but since everything that i say about max is automatically wrong. I don't think i'll be getting any credit for that. I think what i said was perhaps the difference between the mac the macbook air and the macbook pro is in terms of performance is not necessarily going to be core configuration or clocks bees or anything like that but rather just cooling solution and then just allowing it to throttle f. You're doing something that's an like an extended load an attack shows the m one outperforming intel's tiger lake mobile processors which are their latest and says that the m one in its maximum performance designed with a small fan is quote unquote astoundingly good with software support on day. One looking good due to rosetta too. I was really impressed with rosetta. Twos ability to just take ob s which it is amazing the kind of criticism that i faced over that video it was like people were like what kind of benchmark is obese is a benchmark of. Here's a random utility. That's pretty people. Yeah does not have a native That does not have a native version. For 'em one and i'm gonna just install it and see what happens and i'm going to like scream. Capture and like encode video and. it's a very industry. It's it's definitely needs but it is a very industry tool. It is used by almost everyone that does things that obese could be used for so it's like What kind of a benchmark is that. I don't know like interesting. Earn so rosetta to for those not familiar. Apple's x eighty six emulation layer that allows apple silicon macs run software that has not yet been optimized for the new hardware now typically this incurs a massive performance penalty. So if you look at something like emulation even emulating a game cube game. Upc that is many times more powerful than a game cube to play spiderman or whatever so clearly what apple is doing is not emulation in a traditional sense. What they're doing is what is it on the fly like binary translation or something like that. I forget what the term is But it's a- if i recall correctly it's like a type of emulation but what's really interesting is it seems like they have some kind of hardware acceleration for it. So let me see if i can find the source. For this data data memory model mismatch you have to dance. Straight up implemented the x eighty six consistency model on their cores. That's kind of detail that emulation performers for different architecture. That's really freaking cool. So they actually baked in Features that are going to make way better at emulating x eighty six so other on devices would have to fully translate load store from x eighty six to arm compatible functions between memory model mismatch. But m one is able to do without this extra translation step so while we might expect to see like a fraction literally a fraction one v one tenth of the performance with traditional emulation. Here we're seeing anywhere from as high as eighty plus percent of the native performance than i think. I'm going from memory here. So unfortunately i might be wrong but i think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of fifty to fifty five the fifty to sixty percent range which is pretty darn impressive That means that makes apple in one. The only arm assoc- that's capable of emulating six so efficiently at this time as good as senator according to be though obviously universal binary to is apple's preferred method which will allow you to go on the app store and regardless of. What kind of. Mac you have x eighty six mac. You've got an arm. Mac doesn't matter you. Just get the app and it runs natively on your machine. So far developers been releasing updated versions of their suffer at a steady pace. A google chrome well. It went out and then there was a problem so they pulled it. But now it's back as my understanding unless it's been pulled again and there's a beta version of handbrake that is along with google chrome among the early releases. A new version of pixel mater include support for the neural engine to perform some pretty incredible upscaling. Check this out. So this is posted by anthony. Demoss over on twitter eight. It is that left is pixel nater machine. Learning upscale right is standard by linear from a one twenty one by one eighty image. That's pretty cool. You can see it. There's a much more sherpur much better looking gradient way sharper lines. The tax looks really good. Actually wow that's pretty. That is pretty cool now. Obviously it's not perfect. Probably got people being look at this horrible And in some places this really does end up looking better like the the way the shadow under his belly kind of meets up his armpit here. Same with the shadow under the armpit. But the difference. Is that this with a little bit of cleanup is going to look better than this. A lot of cleanup. That's the difference. Neither of them giving you a perfect result out of the box. But that's not really the intent now. Our review of any apple. Silicon device is to be finalized but early results are promising and a little surprising. Even after reading other reviews says anthony a note from him on the end of the notes. Here we are getting into man. It's like it's a flip and rabbit hole. It's like the challenges. If you get access to the people ask like why it matters. I posted a tweet a little while ago complaining that we didn't have a playstation five before launch and people were like. Oh you spoiled piece of crap. Wade why should you get a free playstation in other people after. Wait for it and pay for it. You should just wait your turn. It's like how do i. How do i explain this in a way that you can understand. I don't want a playstation. i don't care. I haven't owned a playstation since the playstation two it. It means nothing to me like. If i wanted to play playstation game i would borrow playstation and play it and then i would not need to own it anymore like. It's not the kind of thing that i use regularly. The reason that i wanna play station is so. I can do my job so i can do it properly. So that instead of being put in a position where i am forced to choose between getting way less viewership on the content or phoning in the content and rushing it. I don't have to do that if i have access to. The hardware early in the case of the playstation would've had happily bought it early. If i have access to the hardware early. What it does is. It makes it so that i can be well informed on the topic. You don't being able to talk to sony like. Hey what are you expecting to be good about this. What are you expecting to be not so good about this. Here's what we found. Does this jive with what you're seeing in your lab. That kind of dialogue is really important to make sure that we've got the correct story for you. Guys the other thing is well actually yeah. That's that's really really important. The other thing is that we produce video not written articles so we can't just like bang something. Yes people often forget this. We can't just bang something out in an afternoon. It's actually not an option we have to. We have to test it. We have to script to film it. We have to edit it. We have to export it. We have to upload it. We have to make sure it actually all still works. I mean we've seen it before you upload a perfectly good video filed a youtube and the well it's broken when you go to try to watch it so that's why it is so important so what happens then is if you don't have access to something early you're put in the position where either you need to release a piece of content. That's not as good or you need to one. That's really good. So anthony is digging into like everything. We're talking others complaints about multi monitor support Some of reviews have covered this pretty well. others didn't touch on it at all but one of the limitations of the m one. Silicon macs is that you can only have one display connected to one of the thunderbolt ports. The other one needs to be on. Hdmi that's something. That's not a game-breaker by any stretch of the imagination. But it's something people might not realize. It's definitely good to know what are some of the other little kind of idiosyncrasies that we've noticed another looking into something i would something i would say as well as like if you want viewers things early as well if reviewers get it early. They will have more time to hopefully be able to make a better video. And if reveres can make a bit of video and You have more of yours to cross reference with and hopefully you are able to trust the mass amount of reviewers that you are able to reference He should be able to make a much more informed purchasing decision which hopefully be able to either save you money or make you more confident in happy with the purchase that you do make it is directly beneficial in. It should help I think the majority audience watching would be against preorders. In general this helps the whole idea of wanting to have something early but not wanting to preorder it. Because you can go into the purchase more confidently that way. So i don't know where to me. It's very confusing when people take the position that we should just the manufacturers word for it because how many times is that work not worked out for us. The funny thing to me. And i'll probably get into this in more depth than certainly more eloquently in the mac mini review. Which i think is going to be the one that comes first. The funny thing to me is that apple didn't have to run their presentation. That way like i still stand behind everything i said about it. It was a really horrible way for them to launch this product for the people that just take everything apple says at face value. I guess it was fine because they loved it but for the people that see unlabeled graphs and vague claims ago performance. It was really discouraging because to me my general experiences that the more confident manufacturer is the more willing. They are to put hard numbers behind their product. When they're not confident that's when the start bringing up unlabeled graphs and just kind of be like. Yeah it's it's way faster six times. 'cause i don't know it's just it's funny to me with everything we've seen from one so far we would have liked it just fine if they had just said what it actually was if they had just come in and said it's got anywhere from half to eighty percent of the performance on non native x86 apps. I would have been blown away. I'd have been like that is so cool here if they'd have been like here's some apps and here. It is tested. You know on a native and x eighty six one and it's like yeah anywhere from fifty to eighty percent. I'd have been like. Wow but then when they come out and like six sacks the performance. My detector goes off hard very hard and it was so unnecessary. All they had to say was yeah. It's got performance that is competitive with or better than basically any other laptop processor on the market. Seems like they ignored. Amd in a big way. Which i thought was interesting given that. Amd has better low power mobile processors than intel right. Now assuming you remind any by which even if they do. They're not super mainstream yet. Well yeah and and amdi right now amdi gaming processor popping off in the enthusiast space and you are seeing a lot. More like prevailed options with them and whatnot. But still if you ask like Some random person that has no interest in computers if you ask them what. Amd is probably have no idea if yeah somewhat until as they almost certainly no evidence by the way i'm getting feedback on multiple platforms right now that i am notably too loud. Oh i'm so sorry about that. I will fix that for you. Thank you very much multiple platforms there. You go got that all fixed up for you all right so i mean i guess. I don't really have anything else to say. A lot of people are expecting me to come out and say i was wrong so far. Haven't been wrong about anything yet. The one bold prediction that i made was that apple will drop support for these m. one processor sooner than they will for the m. two or whatever they end up calling it sooner than they will for their m to max and not just by like a year not by a product release cycle but they will not support them for as long a period of time. I could end up being wrong about that. But we're going to have to wait anywhere from three to five to six years in order to find out everything else that i said i stand behind i have been. I have been attacked on many sides for calling the new m one max. And what did. I called him and ipad without a screen ipad without a touchscreen and then an ipad with touch bar or something like that. And they're like you. Don't understand and i'm looking at it going. No you don't understand what's wrong with the ipad is the ipad bad So yeah just projecting their internal hate of the ipad on me on my statement. What's wrong with the ipad. I mean we've come out and said the only thing missing on the ipad. Mac os in positive reviews of the ipad. Most recently our most recent ipad videos the titles are and these actually captured the sentiment of the video. I think pretty well in this case sometimes are titles are a little like hey we really need to click on this research right. Here's our last two videos about the ipad. The ipad pro is a laptop magic keyboard review from five months ago and also from five months ago. We edited this video on an ipad. Pro those are our last videos about the ipad. Basically saying the ipad pros the laptop and by the way it's powerful. So when i called the mac mini and ipad without a screen. It's not a sick burn. It's just it's just a joke like chill the road. What is wrong with you. You you get so defensive. People were so mad that i quote unquote used. Google maps three d. view as a benchmark in my unboxing of the macbook air the new macbook air reviews people. Call it a review. Do you are you that disconnected. You don't even understand what review is anymore. Somebody opening a box is not a review lou from box. Therapy does not do reviews. It's an unboxing. it's impressions it's thoughts. It's not a review and also what the hell is wrong with. Google maps three d. view as a way of evaluating quickly and easily. If a thin in light is gonna chug in basic three tasks. I've seen it if you have crappy onboard graphics. It sucks the pop and takes forever and it's slow to render so one of the one of the communists said and i'm changing his statement slightly because i like it this way more but you're reviewing the unboxing experience no you're not you are. It's not a review. But what if it is. Because there's there's a lot of thought and and money and research that goes into improving the the unboxing experience you you've commented in the past on on packaging materials which also dead in this case on on included information in how things are on the presentation of the products. You know there was a while. They're with logitech mice. Where like the box hinged open in the mouse was like nicely presented up top. You've come on those things. You've reviewed the unboxing experience not a review of the product. I feel like the review is kind of like you know like people don't eat understand what is supposed to be a review and what isn't and sometimes it even happens when people are defending me like i did a sponsored video a little while ago about a product and someone was like okay so there were two misunderstandings that i was reading in the comments here so i someone said this review shouldn't be sponsored and i was like okay so problem number one nothing sponsored is ever a review and then the second person defended me they were like Lionesses linus no. No no no. No now i remember. I remember different video so it was not a review was just like experiencing a thing. I think it was the rtx. Thirty ninety eight k. Thing so someone. Someone was like complaining. They were like this review wasn't very thorough. And i was like okay well. It wasn't a review for one thing. It wasn't it wasn't structured like a review wasn't positioned as a review. It wasn't hold a review. The very fact that you think that this was intended to come across as review means reviews. Must be kind of like dying like. When's the last time you saw a review of a product. A review has to be positive points. Negative points Evaluating it from the point of view of either one niche and you gotta be kinda upfront about that or from like a general use sort of standpoint where you look at it. Try to look at it from different perspectives. You're analyzing product and then the defensive it it was this. Is someone defending my video. They're like no. This was a really good review because everything said was totally true about the product. And besides who cares. He's gotta get paid. It doesn't matter for review sponsored. Yes yes it. Does it absolutely matters if a review get sponsored if it is spot. Okay if it's not a review it's not a review that's step one and if it's sponsored it is not a review now that doesn't mean sponsored video can't have good information about the product and it doesn't mean that a sponsored video has to contain lies. We are very careful about it. When we do a sponsored video would never do sponsored review when we do a sponsored video. We make sure that if there something about this product some drawback that we feel is a very important for our audience we push back on the sponsors. We make sure that we can included because people got no like for example. The oculus quest video or quest to video. We talked about. How much of a bummer. It is. The thing runs at seventy two hurts because it is. That's bummer. We even included the mandatory facebook account. And we were like well. You guys gotta make your own decisions about that but this is something. We can't sleep under the rug this something that we have to talk about so just because it sponsor doesn't mean that it can't have good information in fact the ftc guidelines stipulate that you're not allowed legally to say anything you don't actually believe in a sponsored video now of course i know for a fact that people do it anyway. Yeah but it's something that. I personally take very seriously. It's just not a review anytime. Ucs sponsored video. You have to assume that a brand representative or representatives and in many cases a brand agency has watched it and signed off on it. That's just part of the process. Now that's not the case if we make a video about. let's say totally hypothetical scenario. You know unpacking and and like reacting to a six terabyte memory server and then sponsored by pulse way and we do some talking points totally not the same thing because pulse way while they do have a software suite for managing and maintaining servers Has nothing to do with this particular server. use pulse way on any server. It's non-conflicting these two. Things are related so pulse way might want to sponsor that video because they feel like oh anyone watching a video might want also nobel pulse way. But that's that's not like our conflict of interest in any way it's only when you have the actual creator of the product sponsoring the content so perfect example of this would be something like intel's video where they sponsored our showcases what i would probably call that our our i kind of use of their kreil cooler. That was not a review. I was not in a position to make my own judgment on the product. All i was doing was getting early. Access to the product which don't tell intel this but i would have liked totally done it for free without a sponsorship because i was like super stoked to try it out so all i was doing was getting early access to the product and going through that review process with intel where they have to approve the content ultimately everything i said in that video was true. Every result we showed was one that we measured but it was not a review. Yes go ahead. So we've got some we've got some naysayers in the audience. I wanna try to address some of their comments. Sheriff hit me on someone's pointing out with the think a few different people mentioned the quest video. Apparently it was not titled as a showcase no wasn't titles as showcase but it also wasn't quite a showcase one of the differences with the quest video. Is that instead of just talking. Through the talking points we were given a great degree of autonomy and we were allowed to share our experiences with it in a very transparent manner. I was actually a. I was kinda surprised to be honest with you so given that it wasn't really handicapped by the brand in any way we went with a title. That just didn't have anything in it and we also didn't structure it or presented as though it was a review said look this is sponsored by facebook. Here we go so do you think in in what is your opinion of the the. The audience not necessarily registering. That things are reviews. Do you think that is on the viewer's side for maybe skimming too much or something like that or do you think that is potentially more cases. Something like click baiter like. Why do you think this is happening. I think it's a combination of things. I think it's all three. I think consumers are getting Either less discerning or maybe they just never cared but You know media cared enough to do a better job. So they just sort of Had just had better information because that's that there was So consumers seem to be more accepting of sponsored content and or marketing nonsense. I think that media has gone from being a profession ball at me in this rate in the word. they're i think media has gone from being a profession. Like when you go to school for two one where just about anyone in their dog can build following regardless of how true anything they say is or how much they care boat. Transparency and integrity and i also think manufacturers are maybe not becoming less transparent because lots of them have been plenty opaque the years but certainly taking advantage of this new advertising paradigm. Where instead of them having to pay an agency to create an ad and then run it on a network and jack nielsen ratings to see if it was effective and watch their sales They can pretty much higher tech bro. Like you so cool bra And they're jumping on that Before asked me my next question now. Travel guys posted. I never had a problem with what you said about. 'em one till now but you tried to make your point and said surface pro. X was not covered by your channel that you did cover it. You're right. I actually didn't realize that until someone pointed it out to me riley did that entire video Heap scripted. it use the product shot at. It was edited and uploaded to the channel without me ever seeing it. I did not know we covered it so that is a my bad my bad. I should know if there's something that we've covered on the channel. Especially if i'm gonna make a point like we never covered it. I never saw it. I never touched it. So i didn't care about it at all. So that part my main point. That i just didn't care about it at all still stands. Apparently riley cared enough riley cared enough. Okay what else you got hit me. I mean there's there's a lot of comments. But i think they're moseley vague. Maybe i missed one so sorry if supposed to win. It wasn't somewhat vague. But i think. I think it's coming down to just a lot of people are are finding that content is very similar. Chomp so hard to differentiate necessarily during the video and that with the click beatty nature of titles. And i wouldn't. I don't necessarily think they are and i wouldn't single Media group out for this. I think it's just like what the world has turned into With the click beatty nature that are titles on the internet. As of now. I i guess i'd say it has become a little bit more difficult to you. Know what that's fair navigate that lance. We don't we don't always put the word review in our reviews and we don't always specifically low. Okay we would never use the word review to describe something. That's not a review but we used to explicitly put review in all of our reviews. And we don't anymore and that's a that's a fair criticism and honestly i don't know i don't know how to fix it in a way that i'm willing to do. I could put review in the title of every review but what it automatically is is wasted characters that are going to hurt my seo and hurt. Click through on video. Because if i put you'll never believe what this is. And i make this stupid face for some reason. Thirty to fifty to one hundred percent more people. Click on it and that's one of the only ways. Sometimes that we can get people to click on what is totally honest evaluation of a product that they just may might be interested in by the time they actually watched the video but they just didn't know it and that's so frustrating is like for me what i would want people to do is say. Wow i love tech and i just wanna know about tech and click on every video we upload regardless of whether it's a review of cpu or graphics card or like okay. I did a video today. That is going to have a clicky as title. Because there's just no getting around it. Because what i was covering was a like a compact broadcast four k camera and i needed this camera. Actually half a dozen of them because due to covid restrictions can no longer watch my son's badminton tournaments in person. So i missed out on him missing on him winning. Sorry him winning his first tournament. He won doubles in his last tournament. I wasn't there to watch any of his games and so i was like one liners tech tips. I can fix this. So i'm going to set up their entire gym with a with a camera court and then all the parents are going to be able to watch all the games and i. I gotta pay for those cameras somehow. Luke i gotta pay them somehow so you know. Why are we actually so the video is going to be called. I've never done anything like this before or something like that instead of marshall. Cv for twenty four twenty. And i but there's no way. I would click on that video. Marshall marshall review. I don't care about our shall. Mcv camera. i'm never going to unless brandon spaces in it. Because i like watching brandon videos about cameras but like i it's a super cool project and our viewer retention numbers show that once we can get people to click it. They like the videos. So it's just you know from my point of view as long as the content remains true as long as we keep our transparency. Keep our integrity. I'm willing to sacrifice the thumbnails and the titles there. I accept it. I don't want it. I don't want that to be the case but it is what it is. I got another comment from katcha. I stopped watching your macbook air boxing because it was obvious you're still passing some speculation to undermine the product know what actually happened. Was i recorded it. Almost immediately after my mac mini unboxing. And we just can't like upload videos to the channel at exactly the same time because the algorithm mickley. It's really bad. They'll stomp on each other and then People will stop getting notifications from you for a bit. So it was delayed I just really didn't know anything about it yet. So yep sorry for that but There's nothing i can really do about it because we didn't get those products until launch day. If we'd had them earlier. I would have been able to upload them both. You know right away like maybe six hours apart instead of a day apart. Whatever it ended up being Took time to like edit them. I'm we don't need to keep going on this topic in Someone thank you very much to the person that reminded me But we need to do at spots soon but someone in all capitals on on i love the twitch guys are like And then the guys are being helpful in reminding us that we need to do the ad spots but the someone in twitching. All capital letters was is atlanta's is a flip flopper And i you like addressing matt topics. I wanted to give you that chance. 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Yeah like it even if it's not like as competitive as we're hoping as long as they like can sell it will we'll be fine will be totally fine. Yeah and they responded not necessarily to us but to the community in general that. We're all having the same concerns. We were not unique and saying this in any way note They responded by essentially saying like. Yeah not gonna be a problem. We got this. This launch is going to be way better than the three thousand series no issues. They'll be tons of cards. You can get you can get what you need right. Well that didn't really happen The launch was much more of a paper launched. Anything else we had big lineup. So set of stories of people get things seems like several retailers including best buy usa being h photo and video. Which does sell this kind of stuff. and memory express in canada reported receiving exactly zero which is awesome With with no indication of when they would be receiving any either. Amd's own site along with retailers. That did have cards. Such as new egg and micro center sold out within minutes of sales going live of course unsurprisingly ebay as time this is in spite of. Md's reassurances supply would be good. Like i said earlier they did totally say that and an anthony even hasn't note here. This is the one thing they had to get right. And that is legitimately true. Could've been like not even that great and it still would have been a very successful launch. If they at least had the middle this is this is exactly the kind of marketing bullcrap. That drives me crazy and we talked a lot last show all. Amd had to say was supplies are going to be really limited and we would have been like. Okay just you know. Just give us the right expectations guys. No i get it. We got tons of cards. I get it like it's it's there's only so many seven nanometer like wafers okay. There's only so much seven nanometer to go around and you know everyone wants it. Everyone wants a piece of the seven nanometer. I mean even. Amd has competition between their own business. Units for who gets the seven nanometer at this point. I'm sure the data center business unit wants it all for you know upcoming server chips and i'm sure they gaming business unit wants to just pump out or cpu gaming wants to pump out all day. And i'm sure that the graphics division is like please please. i know. I know we sucked for the last few years but please we deserve a chance. And there's again it and and really unfortunately for them. That was not the only issues and sony. They want some seven nanometer. They want some seven nanometer up in this business. They want a lot of seven nanometer. Yeah like i get it. I get it but like just say that. Just delay it. Just just say like look. We weren't happy with how much stock we had. We delayed it fine. I can t. I can accept that. That's a good or you can just be honest and just be like we're not happy with sock we have but we want to launch it now. So it's gonna be tough to get. We're going to do our best to like. Try to keep it out of scalpers hands which is not entirely possible loss what we can yep etc etc and then just try to move on from there. That's all fine There were also some ray. Tracing performance was abominable The lack of tensor core quivalent means that fans videos voice broadcast software will have to stay green for now yet. Although i haven't heard way too much about rtx will be a while have you. I mean you don't really have to hear much about it to know that it's pretty cool. I don't think it's really. I don't think it's not cool. I just yeah the the news is just kinda passed. I think yes great courageous potato on flynn says. Now i'm picturing amdi exacts playing poker with seven nanometer wafers totally right the rtx out of the end of the table. Come on guys. I got to win this game. I mean they're worth their weight in gold. Basically right we think about like. I mean probably more there is no. Amd literally every rise in cpu. They could possibly make would fly off a shelf right now. Lake the more. You can make the more money you make. You're not constrained by anything else. Marketing distribution pricing. You are constrained. By how many of these bloody things you can crank off the production line and the reality of it is. Is that for everyone out there saying intel's doom day. Nba got them by the balls now. That's something intel has for better or for worse is lots and lots and lots of fourteen. Peter wafers whole ton of them probably more than they want. So you know intel's gonna keep selling cpi until amd figures out either a you know a big investment in tsmc's that tsmc can literally build out production that is guaranteed for amd has invested heavily in tsmc. It's no accident that apple got all of the five nanometer right out of the gate or they're going to have to go back to having their own fabs which i honestly don't see ever happening again. I just don't think it's. I don't think it's possible. And video showed the world that you can be a top tier chip company without ever owning a fab and amd has now shown the world that you can come back from owning your own fabs to right back on top without owning your fab. So yep yep. I think it's just going to be the The samsung tsmc show for the foreseeable future. Until some of the chinese fabs that are starting to catch up. Actually get there. I'll also tell and tell what else we got. What else is going on here for those who receive your cards. There are few nisha advantages to look forward to The reset bug that has long plagued virtualization enthusiasts has been fixed a labs cool. That was a big problem for us on seven. Gamers one cpu. If one of the crashed i had to restart the entire host machine and it was really unstable so like cost me a lot of time. A lot of pair pulled out overall support lennox appears to be solid and you can enable rage milk for the means anthony notes. I really love this added feature to immediately quit out of a game like a button on the graphics card and call it rage. Quit they should. It should have like some animation that comes up and it's just like delete the desktop icon for the game or something or or it could still be in overclock feature. It could just intentionally overclock your car too far. So the whole chicks is a great. Oh yeah i mean it is like it's the best time to buy a gaming. Pc and also the worst time to buy a gaming pc like there is compelling hardware out there. Just good luck getting your hands on any of it. Yeah like rising five thousand. Rtx thirty eighty. That sounds pretty flip and good. You can't get it. When was the last time we had. I feel like it's been a long time. Maybe i'm totally wrong here. But was the last time we had these. These types of paper launches long. I feel like it's been a super long so in like they're all basically So for for people that are like what are you talking about when when product is announced but like doesn't really exist or in this case where it exists but it's basically only scalpers getting it. Yeah there are some products in the in the way way past which were launched but like i think literally nothing existed from them These are not quite that but not since. Six hundred series from nvidia are like six hundred series. If i recall correctly had pretty good availability and was not so much more compelling than five eighty that. It was like flying off the shelf to the degree that i suspect. Rtx three thousand. I think there's two things that happened here. One is in video launched. Rtx three thousand and made it very very appealing from a price to performance standpoint. And i think nvidia really does have a lot of wafers. They just cannot make enough of these things then walked into a bit of an unusual situation for them one. They had a product that was actually competitive. So that's going to drive demand up to. They walked into a marketplace pent up demand for a graphics card any graphics card because people's their neighbor or friend or gaming by the or whatever has an rtx three thousand and they're running some. You know pled seven eighty or seven seventy. There's just this is the moment. They're ready to pull the trigger. And there's nothing to freaking by. And they would have bought an md one and they'll they'll go if they can find they'll go out and do it and so amdi is walking into two things. They're competitive for the first time in forever and there's this pent up demand in the market that we haven't seen in forever because people haven't been that excited new. Gpa's communist like yup. You can pay more and faster but this is different. Now you're paying less and his way faster it's great. Yeah yeah and like. I genuinely think a very large amount of people skip to two thousand series. So there's a lot of like enthusiast one thousand series owners that like would normally buy new card but then saw thousands of years. Come out and we're just kinda like even they want something new. Even one thousand nine eighty nine hundred t. I was like remember how long we were using nine hundred series cards in like high end scrap yard words builds and stuff like they're a good value even now. Yeah one thousand series was a pretty nice jump for vr. But but if if you didn't care about that i was kind of a. What do we got here. They linus this has been bothering me in secret shopper. Part one when you said yahtzee and took all the chips were you referring to studio sees poker face no i was just trying to come up with the silliest most irrelevant thing to say when you win at poker and yahtzee came to mind and that's we actually did many different takes of it with me saying different things and yahtzee was the take that ultimately ended up in the video so now you know the the backstory behind that that one line. What's our next topic for the day. Apple has dropped their app store. Fees is this in response to pick. Well they didn't drop epochs fees. So i'm gonna go with so yes but also yeah. I think that's pretty accurate. I was gonna say i do. It's actually in response to them but but with a direct jab almost. We're talk us through this because there's more to this than needs to be yes so when when you first read it's interesting this will affect These are some awesome stats. Were put into the doc. This will affect ninety eight percent estimated of app developers but a companies like epoch are going to fall into the There's gonna be a lot of percentages thrown around so that ninety eight percent is the amount of total app developers on the The store epic games falls into the to kind of percent of developers that are going to be charged. Thirty percent Ninety eight percent of developers when charged fifteen percent this is very nice for those ninety eight percent of developers maldives but yes asks mall developers and those small developers does ninety eight percent of developers. Only make up. Five percent of the app store revenue cells. The vast majority of apps revenue is still going to be at thirty percent so the line is between developers that earn under a million dollars annually and developers that earn over a million dollars annually. And this is just really interesting insights. Because now we know that it's two percent of developers that make up ninety five percent of the revenue on the app store and ninety eight percent of app developers all making less than a million dollars annually that are ninety eight percent of abstract about certain all blah blah blah making up at gaps so ninety eight percent of them make less than a million annually. Yeah yeah yeah so this. This is really really cool for those ninety eight percent of developers even though it's only five percent of app store revenue in that that kind of gives it a little bit of a want wall. That's that's because there are these like super apps essentially at light night a fortnight pokemon go these these apps that an insane amount of people install an insane amount of people spend tons of money on. That doesn't mean that a five percent section of the app store is actually a small amount of money. That's still a lot. There's a lot of Developers that are that are thriving and surviving in that five percent category and then making them them going from thirty percent. Take on apple side to a fifteen percent taken. Apple is going to be fantastic. Especially because a lot of those developed if your support of those developers i guess Especially because a lot of those developers are going to be selling things through the app store that don't cost to produce. They probably have to pay for something else. In order to entice those customers like like bandwidth development like whatever else but the actual item that they are selling which is very often going to be digital Does not cost to produce. So that's just fifteen percent more money in their pocket which is fantastic and they must have already had a model that fit at thirty percent so this should just be profit. Nice little interpol to be clear. Luke doesn't mean it doesn't cost to produce you have to produce it in the first place even if it's like you know a cosmetic jockstrap for your little jousting game or whatever you have to produce it but it doesn't cost more to replicate it. I guess is yeah anatomy of putting better way of saying it like like delivering that product to the customer is only basically gonna have a bandwidth cost. If it's okay you get to open a great now like you don't have to manufacture the items that are in the gray out exam so there's there is like little tiny minuscule bits of cost related to that but those are not the. They're very important in this. In this scenario the slow plane right we apply. You gotta apply for the program and apple. Didn't clarify why you have to apply for the program instead of just automatically rolling not surprised Although i would suspect that basically everyone is going to be okayed. I'm assuming they want people to apply. Just they have that little bit more control just in case someone finds some weird loophole that they can try to get through. An apple will have the ability to be like no no no no no much more easily I wouldn't also be too surprised if it takes them forever to go through the application process And it's like two weeks per attempt and they deny you for some stupid junk that takes forever to try to fix and it's a super annoying process. I can almost guarantee you. That's going to be the case so line of plane. Yeah so one of the issues here is that at fifteen percent yup might be able to make sense. It's it's still not great to be completely honest compared to a lot of the other payment processors that we have but we could probably make it make sense. The issue is if if if we're if we're rocking and i'm pretty sure this is only based on the The stores profits that you make but if we're rocking and we get to the point where we're now making a million through that of profit i'm stumbling over my words here because i just it would immediately be terrible like absolutely terrible Because jumping that extra fifteen percent would bring us to one of the calculations that we did was just literally zero. We wouldn't make any money at all but it also wouldn't cost us anything And that is super terrifyingly bad because we would still have to develop for this platform and just make nothing on it right So that it just doesn't make sense for our business model we we have to use these these outside processors. I'll latimer says charge a little bit more on the apple app store for flute playing you. Can't they don't do that. There's stuff that has changed really. And and i don't remember exactly how it landed out and i don't want to misquote here but i believe you can under certain circumstances if you do it properly That was yeah. There's been a couple of examples that people have shared with me of of apps. That have started doing that. I don't know if that is like. And i've i've read an article that was related about like how you can go about doing that. I don't know if that's like entirely what they want to happen. There's yeah it's it's a little fucking. Could you cap the income. No that wouldn't work so there you go. It's unclear what happens after you exceed a million dollars of revenue if that happens twenty twenty one like whether it's like racketed taxable earnings for example so if your first million would be present and then after that it's thirty percent or something like that but you know hey we're definitely gonna look into it and see see how that goes. Oh speaking of things that we're gonna see how it goes. Let's see how it goes if people want short seller kit long sleeves so we actually excuse me. We actually did have more blanks. We have more shirts so what we decided to do. Is print the rest of them I had stopped production last time. Because i thought the sleeves were too long. So it's still the same long sleeve with like very long sleeves from the From the short circuit one million subscribers celebration video Yes exactly the same. The only difference is that now that we know that people actually buy them. We don't have to Just blow them away. So they're twenty four ninety nine. We increase the price five bucks so the early adopters still got a great deal but we are going to have them back in stock for a little while while we continue to work on sourcing our own garments and hopefully actually read we. I guess i can announce this we hired someone today. We hired a fashion designer. Who has a lot more experience with materials and like pattern making than anyone on our team currently and the goal is to be able to make very size inclusive garments. That are totally customer. Instead of relying on third parties like gilded and our canvas or american apparel or whoever the case may be so you can go check him out. Ltd store dot com short-circuit long sleeves are back there back in stock and yet there's there's some comments through through twitch and a few other places where people are trying to tell me like how it works on the store like bits in which descriptions more expensive through the iowa story. It's just me it's a. It's a very weird landscape. I've known about the twitch thing for a while i don't know if this is the case of the twitch thing or not But there is hard evidence that there is special treatment on the app store for certain companies for certain groups that play ball in certain ways with apple. Yup there is there even a special thing. Where if you if you get your app working properly on. I believe it's apple. Tv you get you get some special treatment in a few different ways we've thought about potentially doing that Us in particular are app was held off the app store. Fry believe close to half a year And when i finally got on the phone with them. It was admitted that all of the reasons that were claimed wide. Our apple was held off the app store for almost half a year. Were just not true and that we had followed all their rules every time and the guy on the phone was like. Yeah but your apps live now. And i'm like cool. Thanks so like how things work is. Not a you k. This set of rules is extremely unclear. What you have to do is make the person who's reviewing your app happy. That's the rules essentially so like pretty sweet. It's been an extremely extremely frustrating process to release our app on the app store We are concerned about getting ourselves into a place again where they might just deny our app for half a year because the app can become essentially nonfunctional due to updates. That happened for the rest of the platform that you might have to hold back on or else you might break the ios apps that you can't update or you might. You might just have to release that update because the platform needs it but the irs platform or the. The i was app might just essentially not even work anymore you can't see different types of content etc which it puts you in a really terrible place and it's extremely uncomfortable and extremely frustrated so we try to be very very careful about not using them all someone asked for an update flint. One sixty five over on floatplane asked for an update on the mouse pad the mouse pad just got delayed by two weeks due to co shipping delays. So we can do about it. We're still hoping people are going to be able to get them by christmas if they order right away. But i i don't wanna guarantee anything at this point. I also had a comment that i wanted to read over on youtube. I think it went away. Unfortunately it eventually scrolls on its own and it looks like it went too far away. I don't remember what it was so sorry you missed out. I really wanted to respond to that. Really stupid Ah well you didn't get called out. What else we got. No one is safe. A youtube is adding more ads. They have updated their terms of service and includes a new section that gives it the right to monetize videos from channels that are not yet dig enough to be part of the partner program bank. I throw hot in here before we go. I have always been astonished that this wasn't a thing i know right like i am certain people are going to be super pissed about this but the entire time youtube has existed. I have been stunned. That this isn't how it has worked Why wouldn't they want to run ads on video that they don't have to share the revenue on mixed i to me run all the best ads on those ones and you would start giving people like a profit share sort of That started really blowing up on the platform. Because you want them to stay like it all makes sense. It's been very confusing as to why they don't do that so like. Yeah it sucks. I don't want ads on everything on youtube necessarily either but like super not surprised will no. They're not that's not what they're doing. They're not giving the person any of the money but running. Sorry did i phrase that in crawley running ads on essentially will not necessarily everything but Definitely things that would fall under add friendly guidelines. Yeah so they basically instead of taking. I forget if it's seventy thirty or sixty forty instead of taking just part of the revenue youtube gets to take all of it so to become eligible for the partner program. You need four thousand public watch hours in the last twelve months and over one thousand subscribers so this would be just like any like random video. I would be surprised if this has if this actually has a meaningful impact on how much ad inventory is available for like fulltime youtubers. But i also worry when something like this comes into place where there's a clear conflict of interest What would prevent youtube from Preferring to self deal rather than preferring to share with their partners as we are called youtube. I don't think that's necessarily going to happen And i think that would be pretty trackable so if it does and maybe the great the great machine that runs youtube that the youtube developers don't even fully understand Maybe it will just automatically start doing that because it's like hey more money But i i feel like if there was intention behind that they would get called out very quickly. I seriously doubt that we would have any Yeah i seriously that we would have any tools that would give us any transparency into this lake. Fill rates rates rates so like if people could could get roughly roughly accurate estimations affiliates based on like some massive amount of views. They're all over the place though so like we would have to. A bunch of us would have to collude and see if we all at the same time for example and i'm sure there are groups that do that but i'm not one of the cool kids so i'm not in any of those groups something interesting to to become eligible for why p p or youtube partner program You need four thousand watch hours. Last twelve months in over a thousand subscribers like you just mentioned that is pretty important. There's there's a few different youtubers i believe. One of them was was was dream. The mind crafts. Speed running guy I think he's one of them. But sorry if i'm totally misquoting that where he had one video that just absolutely exploded but it was before he was in the partnership program so got like millions of views. Ouch but he made like nothing off that video. Yeah that's brutal. And then had to like get into the partnership program before he could start making money but by the time that he had done that game over. Well i mean. He's a massive youtuber but never mind. he's fine now but It's it's like you know it's rough i. I don't know what the search thing would be for me to try to find this but like it it has happened with a a non trivial non trivial amount of youtubers. And it kind of makes sense. You would you might release a bunch of videos that get anywhere near that and you make release one video that like really blows up and potentially start your career if you can capture even ten percent of the people to that video you might be able to have a career right. This happened quite a number of times totally but you might make nothing off of that one massive video that you released which might be worth a huge amount. It's an interesting setup and again place very benefit benefits. Youtube a lot. Yeah definitely what do you think of the oppo extending phone. I mean is this. Is this something people are actually asking for here. We go whoa. You know of more elegant than the fold got rolling display on cooksey. I'd have to use an apu phone though. I wish all devices just ran. Oxygen ask like their oneplus subsidiary. That would be so much better. Okay sorry. I was listening to dreams video for a second. It was dream. He released a video in nineteen that got seven million views. I'm sure he's doing fine but it was talking about how he had released. Four videos that combined to over two million views and across us for videos he made zero dollars and i believed inclusion. And i haven't watched the whole video. The second but i believe the conclusion was that he wasn't in the partnership programme yet. Yeah he's definitely doing fine. He gets a lot of a lot of us but sorry the extending foam. Yeah oh boy man. It's definitely so the problem with the fold is that it's real chunky in the pocket. I don't know. I couldn if i didn't have to use oppose android skin. I think more into it way more into it. It's interesting it's i. It's one of those devices where i feel like. I really wouldn't be surprised if this was an. I think we talked about this with folding funds to really wouldn't be surprised at all if this was like the direction things were going. No yeah totally would be at some point. I think the concept of it is very cool especially once they get like super slick and integrated and this one actually looks pretty nice to be completely honest but still but software. So get this. It uses their role motor powertrain to expand the display from six point seven to a maximum of seven point four inches but it can also go anywhere. In between how developers optimize their apps for this thing like the fold is already a disaster and it only has to screen form factors. Apparently it has no kinks or visible folds in the display. That's wow that's pretty cool. And the ark lousy displayed rollback without any visible. Yep since will display isn't as rigid. The device has a two and one plate that supports the display from the inside. This thing looks flippin. Cool from a hardware perspective. I just. I'm very very worried about the software. I think it's gonna. I think it's gonna probably suck. Oh yeah might not. It might be the one time it didn't suck but if samsung can't do it i i find it hard to believe that oppo is going to do a better job and the experience on the fold really is degraded one. It's not as good as just running a normal android phone. Instagram looks weird. Youtube stories doesn't work and those are things that affect me every day. And i think that's pretty much it. Oh no one more announcement until tech support challenge. Number two is coming. Our addition is happening on november. Twenty four that is tuesday at ten. Am pacific time. I am co hosting with dmitry from hardware canucks and created where he is going to be going up against the toasty bros. During the stream until be giving away two hundred units of the special distant the special edition. Tenth gen krahn ten nine hundred k. Plus across cooler from cooler master. Go with it so don't miss it. It'll be streaming to floatplane youtube and twitch. And i remember what that stupid comment that i saw was someone was like. This is an actual response from from ellen g about why they don't do giveaways internationally. It's because it's really challenging will challenging doesn't mean impossible linus you've got to have more. Respect has nothing to do with respect. It has everything to do with the laws around international giveaways being extremely complicated and difficult and or impossible to adhere to their trivial amount of companies. That do international giveaways. Don't know about the issues and are just gonna get clobbered if it ever comes up and maybe it won't but maybe it will so is what it is. It is not a company's fault for example in quebec it is not a company's fault for not running their giveaway in quebec quebec's laws around giveaways are completely ridiculous. They make no sense and they make it pretty much impossible for the people that live there to win stuff. Gotta do super chats so deal with the law then says this person are. Are you actually this stupid. Like i actually can't tell. I'm very sorry but i think you might actually be this stupid. Do you have any idea. How many countries and then within those countries how many jurisdictions there are. Do you have any idea how many people's full-time job would be to give away a computer and get this once you want it. Do you know that in many places you would be obligated to pay import and taxes on the item so you could basically win. If you want a computer you could win a five hundred dollar bill. It's like well and it might not even be able to get there. There's plenty of places we can't even reliably ship things too so no. It's not just figured out just like actually is not going to be a thing. It has nothing to do with respect you just. I wanted to point shots said as a quebecer. I agree with you. Jonathan soco says well lioness's disrespecting the people that pay his rent. Well no. I'm just dishing out a cold hard fact. If you don't understand how like international laws work then don't comment on them. It's that's the guy that says. I'm bleeping linus tech. Tips doesn't doesn't pay rent. Why did not personally but gershon real estate thing dog. that's and responsible for. That's the thing is responsible for is the right term now. People are of other people's now everybody meaning they're like you disrespect me. You disrespect me. Pay your rent. You disrespect me you guys. You guys are great. snipe you the world with precision. Oh my gosh people. It goes hold on a second sniper copy past that one of my favorites navy. Seal navy seal copy past. What did you just say. No no hold on but the did you just say about me. I'll have you know. I graduated top of my class in the navy seals. And i've been involved in numerous secret raids on al qaeda and i have over. Three hundred confirmed kills. I am trained in guerrilla warfare. And on the top sniper in the entire. Us armed forces. You are nothing to me. But another target i will wipe you the with the precision. The likes of which you've never seen before on this earth mark my words you think you can get away with saying that to me over the internet. Think again as we speak. I'm contacting my secret network of spies across the usa. And you're being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm. Meggett the storm that wipes out the pathetic. Little thing you call your life. You're dead kid. I can be anywhere anytime. That i can kill you over seven hundred ways and that's just my bare hands him extensively trained in unarmed combat. But i have access to the entire arsenal united states marine corps and i will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent little if only you had known what unholy rep retribution. Clever comment was dipping down upon you. Maybe you would have held your tongue. But you couldn't you didn't and now you're paying the price you an idiot. I will shit whoever effort. Please don't hurt my family from all over the place to talk about the easer benchmark thing. Oh that's right. We were going to talk about that. Why is that not in the dock. Don't know it was supposed to be copied over. Yup oh man. User benchmark thing barrett is reused for next week. It's just scroll down to domino. Page whatever this is sixteen seventeen summer in their sixteen all right so blah blah blah reisen fifty nine fifty x verses ten nine hundred k. i. display captured on site not very senate so there we go all right so theoretically the ten nine hundred k. Is like better or something. Then the fifty nine fifty x which anyone who knows anything knows is not accurate but user benchmark is basically crap. I actually got. I remember this great. Was it user. Benchmark a real bench. I don't i don't remember think it might have been used benchmark. I got called out of touch for not using sites like user benchmark. I'm pretty sure it was easier benchmark. I could be wrong. I got called out of touch. Because i have access to all this stuff and i can test it for myself out of touch. If you like. Look down on that. No i look down because utterly useless completely meaningless and worthless the way that you find how things perform relative to each other. If you don't have access to all the is cross reference multiple reviews multiple evaluations. You do not use sites like user benchmark because well in this case you can see that they're scoring can be extremely questionable and you have no control over what people are submitting to them so user benchmark has hundreds of thousands of benchmark submissions in its database that influence the purchasing decisions of nearly ten million visitors each month. According similar web this synthetic benchmark found itself banned from numerous important tech related threats but remains one of the most widely visited processor testing sites. Apparently the rising nine fifty nine fifty x was not enough to overtake the ten nine hundred k. Or the ninety. Nine hundred ks apparently If there was some score waiting based on price than it would be understandable as it is possible to get a ten nine hundred k. For around five hundred forty bucks whereas amd's rival is a precis seven ninety nine while the site insists it is not affiliated with any company. Once again it has grown defensive regarding its skewed scoring system this is a great quote. Amd fans continued to smear user benchmark via an army of anonymous accounts on reddit youtube and forums which they kind of we're asking for considering they called. Md fans and organized army of fills. Which i mean. Well i maybe that's one thing. I can see both sides of in this dispute. Sometimes when when you're right you still probably just shouldn't say yeah. I mean that's the thing is you shouldn't just you just shouldn't be a fan of a company 'cause you already are. You're already dumb like you can't get the right answer by asking the wrong question. The wrong question is which tech companies. Should i be a fan of which one should i evangelize and route for. There's no right answer because that's a dumb question so anyway this should serve as a friendly reminder to fact check your information cross reference sources especially when you're plunking down a big chunk of change on hardware is this the final nail in the coffin for user benchmark. Because i haven't paid attention to it ever because it was always stupid so there you go. You're welcome. We should probably do some and i'm sorry i'm feeling spicy. You know i was even thinking. Maybe i should just like people loved dave two ds like chill attitude and i was like. Yeah maybe i could learn something from dave to d about how you know. Be chill and just relax and chill then. I got like five times more amped up today than i was before so oh well super chats that people send for whatever reason even though i totally don't need their twenty new zealand dollars. Ryan brown ilia says today the one year anniversary of the twenty second most viewed video not history. When will you hire her. She did apply for one of the new positions and really. I'm not hiring her for that position. Which i haven't told her yet so she's watching this. This will be the she's heard of that but that doesn't necessarily mean that we will never hire her. We'll she loves the muslim the most qualified candidate. Unfortunately so that's just the way it is. Robert mail says not sure. How much of a youtuber boomer you are. But jib jab is apparently coming back for twenty twenty. I do not know what is apparently not enough of boomer. I don't even know. Ryan brown says linus say bit quits. Why ryan wanted me to say that. That's weird ilias says hashtag higher madison. I'm not saying no. I'm not saying yes. They're pro tip. Never say anything anyone ever tells you to say on a livestream. Yeah fair enough. I actually can't figure out what that would be but just in case in the future. I'd jonas says please ask debrecen to stop cursing on my christian twitter timeline. I could ask them but like it's brand. Oh yeah yeah wouldn't surprise me Vitor says thoughts on amdi and maybe intel going consumer arm in the next few years following apple. Well it okay. You said consumer. That's a good point because amd has actually had arm based server chips in the past nan. It would be a big move for intel to show their pride and say x eighty. Six isn't the right answer to everything. Like they have been so hard core down that path whether it's adam or what forget what they're x eighty six Mobile were they adam rented. I can't remember but they've they've tried to scale down x eighty six to be competitive with arm so many times. They failed so many times. You never know you know. I mean i would be interested to see what kind of ideas intel could bring to the table of an arm design on arm license. They might have to license it from nvidia by that time. Actually don't know. Intel probably has an arm license actually arm. Since i'd be i'd be shocked if they don't nine thousand nine hundred ninety eight. Yeah okay produce selo and blah blah blah. Cross license something. I don't know what kind of arm licensed they have intel. We have an arm license. No plans to use it as of may seventeenth twenty eleven. There's not a ton of news regarding intel an arm. if there. If anything was going to happen soon. I would expect it to have happened already as for. Amd they are less uncompetitive. I mean if you look at the numbers on non-tax excellent article on 'em one performance. There's zen two based chips are already really not that far off. If only they could make enough of them and you got to remember that. Amd's on seven nanometer compared to apple being on five nanometer both from tsmc so if a md got nodes worth of improvement out of moving to five nanometer. It's not impossible that it would be pretty darn competitive as for the power consumption that. I don't know that we're going to have to wait and see how it goes. But zen three looks like it should be very competitive and then i don't know what it's going to be called when aimed goes five nanometer. I don't know if that's forever looked at lake any leaked roadmaps lately. But we'll just have to kind of see how it goes. Jeremy says i really liked the general fusion video. Few years ago any chance we can get a follow up. Or other sustainable. I love that kind of stuff. It's tough can't travel right now. We actually had a really cool thing that we wanted to do with like a like someone like bought a damn and they were using it to like mine crypto or something. It was like we were going to go look at the facility. And didn't dave says hey guys had replaced my. Ps four pro and bought a ps five off ebay for six hundred and forty pounds. Which i think is a good price. Considering the prices on there i mean i would just wait till after christmas after christmas pricings going to plummet on consoles. Oh yeah i mean this. Is the christmas rush. Everyone wants to have it for the holiday. Oh you mean in terms of like. Scalping yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah people in in various chats or saying don't buy from scalpers donate scalpers. I know i'm going to change a grand. Total of zero people's minds with this. But i would. I would definitely also say that. Just wait. you'll be fine. The honestly the launch titles aren't even that cool. Can you dilute devil's advocate. Devil's advocate scalper. Saved my christmas in nineteen ninety. Four when i was eight years old My aunt got robbed in the week leading up to christmas and my super nintendo which she had obtained for me was stolen so what she did to save my christmas. My eight year old boy christmas. She went out. she bought a super nintendo from scalper. She overpaid for it. But at the end of the day. I got my super nintendo and those other kids who didn't get one i would. I would say until the end until the end i am. I would say in that scenario just like print off a picture of it. Put it on a box and just be like not i. I play i owe you on. Their side played super. Mario world on december twenty fifth nineteen ninety-four second. I had to say it's all. I have to save that. I've probably told you this story. The story of The xbox got us. I know the. I've heard it but i don't remember the details right now. My we're at my grandparent's place for christmas and I have no idea how they r- able to afford it but my my parents got us in xbox and they got us halo and i was like particularly so stoked about halo one at like microsoft releasing a console and i was like researching like crazy. I didn't think there was a way in hell. We're getting one for christmas. I didn't think that was a possibility in the slightest but They somehow made it happen. But my dad in secret told my brother and i that the big box that was over top of the box that had those suicide like laid them out nicely on the hours. They're like nicely presented and then put a box on top of so it didn't look like an xbox at all is is really big box. He told us it was a crystal ball for our mom. Why we believe that in the slightest have any story ever but he told us that it was super cool and that we should try to stop anyone from we do this thing. We usually people like pick the president that should be opening yet Well no yeah you like the person who just received a present. Yes what president should be open for. The next person can usually or something it. We change it sort of every year. But that's what was going on that year. It's my brother. And i were like very intently. Not allowing anyone to chew. Pick this present because we thought it was for our mom and then if i remember correctly my brother and i like opened it together to show it too long and we're not looking at the console. You literally opened up an xbox and didn't know it yeah that was a. That was quite the christmas that was a. I remember the sixty four in the xbox were both like holy crap. This is amazing. Oh man ricky. Bobby says thirty five dollars to chat and all i got was this. Lt store dot com t-shirt base for that. What else we got here. The aurica says channel superfund or even the main channel mac mini stations laser cutter live up to your perceived apple hitting self. Make a bit of money. You're welcome. I have no idea what this comment meant. versus theodora wants me to use the laser cutter to cut up. The mac mini ingest stations on channel. Superfund i would never do that. No i'd i talked about how we've switched away from them. The brandon david complained. Andy was okay with them but brandon and david didn't like them. It wasn't worth the extra speed for them so we're not using them anymore So i was saying. I i should flip them or something in a floatplane tour of the some of the changes around the office. We actually just swap them out. I didn't even know they were mad about it. So i chose how removed i am from some of the day to day stuff like i remember. I used to build every workstation in every ingestation personally in lake troubleshoot them and now it's just like there's a different computer. They're alright thanks. Jeremy thanks abbas shack. My sean t's says this is this is. This is some next level tinfoil hat stuff. I think apple use unlabeled graphs on purpose to get the tech community to make content doubting the m one and then put content out again. It turned out to be not what they thought to get double the exposure. I don't think. I actually don't think that's i think they were gonna get double the exposure anyways. Yup oh man kinetic asks with the light grey short-circuit shirt. Are there any different colored harbor shorts on the way absolutely. But it's going to take time the new fashion designer just got hired today and we need to work on custom garments because we just. We can't do it. Alex us men s could be compare. 'em one chips to reisen. Hack tosh if possible in the future. i don't know how applicable that comparison is until we get 'em one based desktops that well. Okay technically we do. Have the mac mini but lake. I'd want something that's more positioned to go up against a rise in five thousand before. I make that comparison Hey it's jail seven all pretty much for the show today. Thank you so much for tuning in you guys We'll see you again next week. Same bat time. Same bat channel by any update on most pads. Quick before we go barrington's yeah they're going to be late not going to be like mid december early december mid december. They were delayed because like trains are not running right now and stuff apparently. Wow yes like whole the whole thing. Kobe there's new lockdowns. Nbc as of yesterday but they stopped. They stopped freight trains. I don't know why they're not running but something something covid something in like at like. Apparently all the shipments are coming in through like prince. George prince rupert. Can't one of the prince town young bc. Yeah it's it's a whole it's a whole thing. Okay yeah all right. Not only. i've seen. This probably passed but that sort of funny in the context of us at least to the imagination. To love you guys. Nanday never seen to pretty desperate always. One of them has to be ugly later by and.

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TWiCH 537: Did Intel Just Kill 10nm Desktops?

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TWiCH 537: Did Intel Just Kill 10nm Desktops?

"Estate for stadia all that more coming up next on twitch podcasts you love from people you trust coming up on this week in computer hardware wait didn't tell just kill ten nanometer desktops a great cheap case Google drop the Pixel for it's got radar and a Harley there would appear which you know this would be pretty devastating news for intelligence it's all true and this I found this story actually buy tech power tech power up initially in a number of outlets and taken this kind of run with it and throughout the day I watched as I think it was Tom's hardware can you along with fourteen nanometer plus plus plus I think until about twenty twenty two when Meteor Lake at seven nanometer may have been the first one to report Intel's official statement on this which is one sentence long quote seven nanometer and Intel has been struggling for two or three years now I think getting to ten nanometer from fourteen so some rumors we continue to make great progress on ten nanometer and our current road back roadmap of ten centimeter products include desktop unquote so process and for those of you not familiar until their desktop processors for a while now has been using fourteen nanometer process technology and Intel's offers from Intel Mr Pique thank you Patrick you know we've been talking about ten nanometer and Intel's woes in moving to that ages over the last couple of decades but right now they're kind of struggling because amd can just take a CPA order to TSMC and have it produces compared to desktop especially at idle and they're just not where they need to be for desktop ten animator kind of agree with that because otherwise wouldn't we have desktops ear as he is each and every week and he is very excited or very angry I'm not entirely sure which about the state of ten nanometer process are you with tales of mobile data and the complications in getting into when you're in an airstream I am however going to remind you that Sebastian peak is the one chipmaker who has their own fab they actually make their own ships and this has been a point of pride for them for many years as given them a number of advanced and while they have come out with ten animator mobile processors the Ice Lake processors are small they have relatively low clock rate I plaques with plaques you can organize stream your personal collection of movies TV shows music and photos anywhere on any device plexus offering twit listeners thirty it came out now this is from a German hardware site called hardware locks and I was translating with Google translate which you know kind of day free trial of plex passed it gives you access to all their premium features go to plex dot TV slash twit and enter the code twit to start your free trial today five hundred thirty seven recorded on October seventeenth twenty nineteen to Intel just killed ten nanometer desktops this episode of this week in computer hardware is brought to you by and Manning Meteorology but the supposition here and have charts I think we were just looking at that shows according to their in or you each and every week we talk about the desktops laptops mobile consoles the Internet of stuff and also many other things today however I am not going to side sources of that they did not name of course the desktop ten nanometer products had been axed to they'd just been cut and we're going to would be devastating for them so I said in the Little News Post that I wrote about this like I could speculates about a vague s`amuse always exciting yes it's not really accurate but the gist of it is basically that they said Intel's ten nanometer is still problematic sentence like that and say that may be it is technically correct the best kind of correct but what if you read between the lines and said well our you're still making it anyway they they finally sort of officially yelled at later I guess they've ever come out and said they did but for Intel to do this on the other hand I mean there might be immediately of when Amdi earlier this year cancelled discontinued the radio seven it should only been around for like five or six months it was gone and their statements printed by Tom's hardware was we continue to see strong availability of radios rindt roadmaps not the updated roadmaps we haven't released yet or the future roadmap that will share with the media you know on a Friday at five thirty pm right before the welcome to twits this week in computer hardware twits weekly show that aims to bring you the most live most engaging most affordable most expensive most unhinged and generally speaking most practical hardware advice we can find global lineup and those were the products with higher clocks and the higher core counts it seems like Ice Lake is going to be a rather limited release day a new video from noted Tech Youtuber adored TV who's typically on the amd side of things a billion dollars to price cuts that we talked about last time and marketing and so forth to compete with amd because of how aggressive and it's in very few products so far so we will see it's just kind of funny a by the way along with this I think it was the same had had released what he said was a leak slide on a video of his that show that in Intel is having to lose about three rumors came from we've been hearing rumors about Intel not doing eater and obviously when they had to resort to fourteen nanometer for the rest of their attempt jen as some very positive spend the put on the excitement of higher clock speeds and a mature process technology instead of saying yeah failing holiday break but I don't know any of that speculation and I'm not going to be snarky and speculate I that's that's like the extreme side of it I don't know where these happen to the channel like that doesn't answer the question did you discontinue it or not it's like you're on Amazon and at various etailers doesn't mean the the meter again messy talked about ten nanometer allot we can't we just be done for the Intel please it's released reisen pricing has been so you know like we always say we we wait with bated breath goo pixel four was announced dearborn over the version of really nice summary hands on with the Pixel for excel while it's camera improvements are nice the focus is on ace unlock radar over the phone hand gestures faster voice commands Eh It's interesting because there's literally a radar chip in this rare frequencies or not secured in India so the phone won't owns they've certainly of course done more with the camera but you know the nights site looks promising I don't know if you can CONC- licensing issues that they're just skipping gigantic portion of the planet the planet's population the other thing we're hearing canceled or not because that would be I mean they're a publicly traded company if if that's true they're going to be out to be very careful about how they message that and I'm sure the it has radar to sense motion and there's a nice Nice right up on that again from the verge to motion sense air face recognition is up there with apples but it can't even tell if you're asleep and that sounds really silly when you start thinking about it until you realize it yes if you can hold a phone up to someone's face being from early reviews early hands on that it feels much nicer it feels much more sophisticated more like a competitor with apple's iphones or the high end Samsung L. in India which I kinda found fascinating we're just the idea that the phone had gotten so complicated and required so many radio but you know the other big thing is is really you know I mentioned radar and chips and frequencies but literally you know what they're calling quick gestures products released products are are making definitive statement that the products are not coming Well you know other things happened this week ester based computing mostly because the execution has always been so relentlessly mediocre especially on televisions as you would expect boy let's see five point seven inch screen the Pixel four six point three and screened on the Pixel xl but I'm sitting here staring at it and just kind of getting getting excited Given that I just picked up an iphone which has horrendous battery life as far as I'm concerned absolutely fast smoking switching between apps if you keep lots of APPS open not particularly surprised snapdragon eight fifty five so the idea that I'm going to reach my arm above my head change channels by waving high in the sky it was a bad idea that it's a bad idea now but this lock on the Pixel for should we get into the whole pixel four speeds and feeds feeling that you know if he wants to he salie looks like it's wealth you know it's been thought well through enough or thought through enough that it can actually be functioning I'm fascinated see how this works in the field it seems like a a design flaw to me you know he actually does state in the doctor the Pixel for that your phone could also be your buyers something or someone is nearby no it can tell the difference between say a cat in Sebastian if one or the other of them is laying on the phone reach so that when you reached through this backs we haven't talked about yet obviously it was just announce officially after you know weeks months of rumors and controlled lease so many rivers boards a phone it can flip the screen on and start activating itself and getting ready and of course gestures which people are using you control you can get access to their phone and that's actually probably a lot scarier than you might be thinking it I in any case it new there sixteen megapixel primary back camera or shows sit rear camera anti-tory megapixel rear camera Rear Front facing Actually see on the web page but you know we talked about this I feel like we talked about this last week words like look at how cool the photography is The low light photography power battery Fast Stars Course Key charging I'm delighted that both of them have six gigabytes of LPD are four x which means chaumet not sound like a big deal but it means for example if your children or your spouse or your significant other or your abusive significant other wants to see what you've been doing we just have to wait you fall asleep bring the phone to your face you know apple of course and I think daring fireball one of the bigger like you know Google thinks that processor Or Gino Job Yeah they're pretty fast Arctic as projects solely I wanNA say twenty fifteen and yes there literally is a radar chip in the Pixel four and it has three basic modes presences it can tell if you're it up because one of the first things that came out the BBC did a big write up on this is that the Pixel for will unlock even with your eyes closed which obviously but is problematic you're gonNA love the issue Coming out of Samsung who says they will issue a patch for a fingerprint recognition bug fingerprints so you know if you are worried about people accessing your Samsung phone your your galaxy has ten you should probably take the screen protector off or turn off fingerprint recognition until that patches released or more accurately when the patch as the colors for the phone don't know orange it's it's the time of year it's October and you know maybe they'll have seasonal colors green one later were driving to tighten security module two point four Gigahertz one point seventy gigahertz forbid act by someone else if it's held up you're facing when your eyes are closed so I can't tell if that's sort of a calling it out of the Bug or feature but you may not want to be running a face on Ch- I pretty much say that all the time but I wish there was more storage I'm also GONNA music they have black white and orange not particularly inexpensive not particularly expensive Pixel starts at seven ninety nine Pixel xl starts at eight ninety nine I wish there was more stories we did it for Pumpkin spice so by the way that the pixel four unlocking with your eyes closed hasn't shipped yet earprint or is a British user told the Sun newspaper this week quotes Reuters above her Galaxy S. ten and allowed it to be unlocked regardless of the Galaxy S. ten and certain covers seem to create a situation where the silicon cover is being recognized as a finger I metric data registered in the device it was essentially a third party screen protector and with the third party screen protector in place her husband was controls of APPs you know one of the things that was called out is like you know puttering her or tickling and I am not a huge fan of John a photo that you can't add additional storage which I find really frustrating I've been traveling lately at a bunch of various where they're fundamentally is internet connectivity so to no longer using insult touch which already puts instead of having a separate layer for your capacity give touch recognition they put that kind of in amongst touch some sort of fingerprint reader while it sounds like it would be possible on obviously it has been realize it is possible there's got to be well it's also using fairly sophisticated ultrasound to detect the fingerprint through the screen down a certain number of grams of force but Israel problems that we have no control over as consumers there will be no going without a screen protector although I you know I've I've I've managed to keep the last two phones with their screens intact corner to corner and freeze the display until they kind of fix the timing on that so you could no longer do that but to to then add to instill goes from Samsung to your carrier Chiyu which is always kind of frustrating the whole concept of unlock the phone and so basically essentially some screen protectors create an issue where the phone case for the phone screen protector is recognized as the Pixel Neural cordray no six forty graphics they really I think they've got to the point other than adding more memory I think they probably feel like you have enough some kind of margin for error that makes it less than ideal if you still had it phones are a little thicker and you still had that separate capacity touch them on five and I'm not sure about the rest of the industry with five I think was the first phone that had in cell touch or possibly one of the original Alexis phones may have had who was added to the export blacklist and May that basically means American companies can't sell parts to hallway including for example the actual above the screen I wonder if this wouldn't have been solved a long time ago especially if he added something like four touch where it only starts reading the fingerprint on the screen when it detective pressed have like three hundred gigabytes of my favorite music on my phone is incredibly irritating at this sort of a creation of assistant actually manage the music in the car when folds you know and I don't even know if they are screen protectors for that the you're even allowed to use other than the one that comes from the factory but maybe just don't use the screen the goodness it is true screen protectors can't protect everything there's knowledge in display fingerprint reader. Something I know apple had struggled with never realize problem so and think about like the iphone I went to amyloid displays but of course I say Pixel next US I don't remember now but of course it was the the problem is if where is it where is it is it is it's I'm kinda shocked by the Battery Pixel Forest Twenty eight hundred million our batteries are exhausted thirty seven hundred billion earlier and apparently sales picked up this summer to say the very least this is you know the sub pixels like in the grid of the LCD which you know an the first batch of iphone five's you can take your phone and go really fast from side like from you know these phones are pretty durable I've carried a phone for long periods of time like a year or more with no screen protector and yeah you'll see a couple little scratches here and there on the you know apparently he's going to be some export licenses issued that will to American companies that will assist alway in obtaining parts had side something like sixty five G. contracts so another ten from their last report a few months ago where they're up to fifty android Google can't do android or the play operating system on android based phones awhile we might sell but it's pretty crazy sales works out you know again the we talked about eight thirty when it launched it didn't have access the Google play store to I'm kind of curious worthy this despite that sales are up twenty five percent writes in New York Times eighty billion quote an increase of nearly twenty five percent from a year so I will be Kinda curious to see what the patches or how they pat said are how they changed that when they do that certainly unless you're using a galaxy so you know for example Micron I think is selling a lot of memory to Wa wa I'm kind of curious to see but look where you look with your Motorola Phone Patrick screw everything it's right camera yes it's terribly complicated but again my primary complaint with the Google Pixel and the the he's so you know it's it's interesting also because away certain don sensitive products that are made outside the United States you know the I'm kind of curious there's deep wisdom in that smashed which you call that out like screw projectors don't protect whatever I said script deckers protect you for everything pull quotes Ah what are the issues of course one of the primary issue was concerned about Chinese influence on five G. Networks we're trying to control the five networks and while we also said that they hold off on five G. Sebastian I know you're you're eager but I just I just want to six hundred megahertz I'm happy no matter where you are in organizing stream your personal collection of movies TV shows music and photos for free you can stream your favorite podcasts web series and news for Free Amazing interface and it has become so much more over the last few years plex brings together all the media that matters to you a single APP and it's available on any device national and local news something like eighty percent of US markets this is all for supported plex streaming players and you can enjoy premium music features playlists based on your Music Ripe Acquaintance of mine is dealing with some of the super stuff incredibly fast incredibly low range five G. in ban on sales and the ban on exports they still manage to have a monster monster gain in revenue we'll see if that holds overtime also be curious to see how actor which I it makes me cringe partly because I have a four year old and I worry about the safety of my phone if it's not constantly in case with scream tractor over it but conversation for another day and this episode of this week in computer hardware is brought to you by plaques your member Plex Plex Video Home Theater Streaming Awesomeness it is we've been covered of course along with the ten nanometer issues over it until of course we've had her eyes on everything head hallway city and it's apparently immensely frustrating detest because anytime somebody walks between you and the liberals microcell things change so sooner it stopped paying for cable still enjoy great TV the news featuring plaques brings a quick access to over one hundred ninety sources for national with Lt just give me more range give me better services out of buildings on T. Mobile I ask yeah it's not GonNa Happen with well I could happen if they deploy the Ed it is tweet this is twins this week in Computer Harbor Five jet works end up getting rolled out who rolls them out and how exactly they're working but it is so early the technology is so not footage and it's so much easier to switch users plex home it great customized managed accounts and make switching users easy with plex home Some American suppliers is one issue the New York Times article points out that quotes some of the companies American spars determined that they can lawfully continue selling ages that you can look at the light grill glasses pretty strong so maybe just go without a screen protector I guess yes many strangers up broken in the last couple of years flex Passos that could give plex pass perks when you get exclusive access to promos discounts partner products and you get to use the newest features before everyone else more let your movies or shows music your photos your mobile devices for offline enjoyment wherever you go they can watch the live broadcast TV DVR with plex pass and antenna and sales are coming from and and how they're doing I mean I'm I'm certainly happy for while anybody works air because they'll be wants a bunch of people out of work but I thought it was interesting that despite the we have you upgrade to the plex pass for less than five bucks a month you get the best plex with exclusive and early access to premium features like offline accessibility plex let you down on the on the podcast posts and then people scratching their heads and quickly what are you talking this is a computer hardware podcast about computer crime and my goodness and says it I mean the thing that originally tried to a cinema like experienced when you're watching your personal movie collection trailers behind the scenes features never before seen features early access to new features tons of stuff to make get your media in your household and on your mobile devices cut the cable cord saved big plex is offering twit listeners thirty day free trial of plex pass which gives you access to all their premium features go plex dot TV slash twit and enter the code some people say it sounds almost exactly the same I'm down for any type of speaker improvement in tiny inexpensive devices that actually makes it in front of it at the time so painstakingly cleaning hard dried on whatever this was off of the spines of Blu rays for differently harder and stronger coating DVD's and be It was time to digitize everything and get the disks out of the living room the bottle spun wildly out of control through the entire living room coating the outside of a number of things including the Blu Ray collection which was on a shelf with though glass or doors Zayn for your home apparently containing forty percent more base that's the quotes from the Nice people it's hardware in another about blacks you don't have to worry about your Blu ray collection being destroyed at Google Whereas I I just love that quote engineered for sound design for your home forty percents stronger base than the original mini it could be worse story building a friend to cat a bird in a hiding place well lots and lots of Amazon devices to the work on improving voice recognition still no ability to connect this to a better set of speakers through streaming Sunblock my wife had laugh at us on our Sofa Table One day become home we were gonna come home and the dog had chewed Dougal announced the shiny happy lozenge like many forty nine dollars engineered for sound Go through your movie collection virtually sway it should oh I I Michael Plastic and the external enclosures made from thirty five percent recycled plastic Google told me that one half liter plastic bottle makes enough fabric cover a little more than two speakers and and when he she punctured this bottle apparently just following the trail we're doing like forensics like okay whether it's og punctured the bottle soon to be You know interrupt story or Jackson pollock yeah in any case we should probably shut out the counter space is usually so much more difficult to find than just being able to plop on up on the wall it's interesting one of the things I thought that was highly abusing that was like it put a wall mounts on the back of the better the kind of the classic as you see there the fabric covering that is kind of a big witness on the Google devices and now of course I love this the team Google spent hours testing the audio transparency of dozens of fabrics create a more ECO friendly cover for many the speakers top fabric is made from one hundred percent like two days after this and not mention it covered you know the dust cover of my turntable the outside of my speakers and it was not a good day the you know I think it's kind of interesting and it's not just simple commands but like you know if you play which is kind of unfortunate they still have a fantastic partners for streaming if the new this it's kind of impressive the I. Involving My German shepherd and a one of those spray bottles of slate device you know I think it's interesting is they have a chip or machine learning chip inside there so Google the with the Al Say Slash E. C. H. O. Environment and Google this really hard core dash to catch up actually how much again it a couple years ago seems like a couple years ago now you're ago probably two years ago how Amazon had this huge lead over DC power Jack instead of micro USB which I think is a smart improvement same UNIX wishes before other side and hitting that ricocheting down to the ground and it's a yes the Bluetooth racy or Blu Ray discs do have the the blue raising them over his shoulder one after the other they were just literally like hitting the wall of books the book shelves on the Walk Heard this strange coming from my living room beginning of the well it was it wasn't the worst sound of her coming from my liberal here but this was all that and it seems like they really have and so many levels and you start looking at the partner Louis on these and features that are available you know the time ago and my oldest had climbed up on the chair and climbed up on the back of the chair and I had this big wall covered with Blu rays and he was crying in any given point not a huge changes but some some bedtime song if you ask for a particular podcast come on if you turn on you know if it's like you know turn on my coffee machine and cases like the facto mischief I see as a case that's designed primarily for gasp airflow so that you have better temperature it's something else that something else that molly price calls out over it seen it which I think is really smart given the will eventually learn the most common commands we can respond to them without actually having to go to the cloud which I find kind of fascinating really really curious as to how that works out long run it's it's interesting there's a nice article on CNN when they do the review molly price wrote over it seen it and the Gould Nest relationship continues to settle itself out with the essentials sucking back in of nights it's so hard to tell where nest is but it is a pretty significant change from the actual speaker that was inside the whole mini so I'm trying to think of them together Lua Khomeini speaker because it's it's you know they did radically change the speaker design I'm also curious if they got anymore excursion or ex Max out of that speaker went through the whole process inside out with his case and the only thing I noted in going over his findings you know it's it's still around they still sell it but they have a new version of it and not only is a little bit less expensive this is starting at sixty nine ninety nine but at this case Kent Burgess why was he so excited about the airflow inside of this case well if if you've if you're familiar with fan tax rush but then you'd think that would increase the volume because you're not blocking the sound with a solid front panel but then everything's spent so much slower than as you to his Kent Burgess he wrote this up for for PC per dot com I automatically when I see a case review medically saints Baston Road I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know but there's also kind of curious to watch is as the sort of and make a little home theater set out of an interesting story that can you put together and have stereo modest ones that may attract people that are looking to update their device so you you are obsessed lax as you said they've had this really popular case e four hundred case they had a regular in a silent version of it came out early two thousand sixteen and certain builds but decent noise levels but again that's it's going to be based on what components you're using side because the front panel is going to let all that noise out turn on the lights in the kitchen every morning at six am it will actually learn the actions and give itself the ability to do that remotely in your fans can spend at a lower speed and produce less volume so it's one of those things we you have a a a completely open front like this essentially because of the metal it could be a bit problematic that the front panel does not have a screen filter I think their argument is that the Mesh is fine enough that itself field with the standard horizontal mounting with the vertical mounting and overall was impressed me no surprise if you're familiar with this case design already and there's a lot of ed slightly inferior than the standardized airflow inside the p four hundred day because there's more airflow like I've determined myself more than once you have a GP especially the modern GP's that have zero zero RPM idol fan going to have lower temps in certain circumstances inside exchanged the speaker made the device larger which seems pretty obvious when you're looking for more base at apparently they created more space around the components to help with the base response aside panel but unlike so many cases on the market that feature such things this has one of those Metal Mesh Front panels joining the ranks Alberdi awesome yeah not a thing wrong with that also not a thing wrong with front panel to it is is seems like a logical step gives to give people an option this is like a three plus year old case design make it a little bit less expensive can't career pressure that gets the hot air out of your case especially if using a non blower style GPO so give it a golden blower style as reviewed there's a version with RGB effects and whatnot and that is eighty nine this is just kind of your plane nice looking case tempered glass is the screen filter so you just pop off the front panel and go wash that off but back on so I mean if that works we never get to use these things long was actually one of the first to do a blower cooler if not the first so it wasn't like a reference design thing initially but anyway nice case and I'm loving ends up being even quieter than a lot of cases that you have a solid front infect the p four hundred was a solid front panel design all along so for them as Adema this trend for cheaper cases to like more airflow good less expensive very good sixty nine dollars for a case with tempered glass that looks Nice well-built and obviously very good temperatures in fact slightly better temperatures using the standardized airflow tests that can come up with open testbed will be slightly better than just an open test bench in the same room with the same components which is always great to see so you should have good temps with this and go twenty dollars more and get the and they are convinced they have a system that will allow them to have considerably better performance then all of the other systems we've seen attempting tributes this sound changes or the fuller bass or the forty percent more base as as they opened up changed around the component They made enough to be able to say like you know six months down the road I was noticing I had to vacuum out the inside of my case more than I used to in his time with it so it's pretty it's pretty slick also can say you know as much as I pooh-poohed because it's I'm I'm curious to hear this one next to a actual a case if it has any kind of air flow air flow inside of this case is good enough even with the one intake fan at came within the one exhaust fan L. Gaming in stadia and this actually kind of exciting if you've been waiting for updates stadium that's one of the other things that avid along with the necessary this just waiting for things to go from point to point is to anticipate the next move in other words to some extent a mayor is the well you know Google GonNa Stream all the things in terms of gaming and we're not be playing for you and dissipating what your next move would have been if that's the case it Kinda takes takes the point away from actually playing the game why not just watch anywhere if if you're very close the next stadium server cluster than it would be a much less of an issue to stream games over the Internet to devices I'm a little concerned about the way they are all of the information on streaming and other things which they oddly enough any stadia launching November nineteenth that's a nine am November nineteenth that's when the early stadia founders addition purchasers will get there at this point then you know I hope that's not the case but how else are you going to get around black unless they have just set up these things about this by the way and I can't reference the site I was reading but the only way you can counter the lag that does play all of these at nine am on your TV laptop desktop and select tablets and phones I'm sorry apparently stadia founders edition we'll get it first and the Asian that has the RGB fans upfront then you should have a little bit better performance still throwing a second fan upfront is only going to enhance that that positive assessing and testing it can't was very pleased with the case fantastic offers this alternates vertical melting like so many companies do that was an extra purchase but he did is pretty staggering at this point I went through over the last couple of days and just kind of looking at different games and software titles ensemble playing on your TV ads what they're saying okay and they're also directing everybody to stadium dot com for week so the library available Ms Dos era games that are like the full versions of which are just freely available now on the internet or start arriving and the system will be turned on when it arrives presumably unless you get yours before nine am in which case I'm really sorry that of course p four hundred based builds out there I think I know certain companies also were using this case for a while ago I buy power and maybe one of the others was using this case there's quite a bit of just disk images with scans of the original disc or any supporting documentation a lot of the older games are simply in folders original Dawson stall folders year we wait with bated breath I don't know Red Denver Mortal Combat Eleven Kinna sort of thing but it's been a big undertaking obviously things like good old games exists and that's where you can purchase the old games and they're sort of wrapped in seventy megabytes just depends on what needs to be locally downloaded for it's actually run

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Ep. 34  GCFA, Oracle to Austin, ARM Interview with Jose, Chocolate Chip Cookies, Sidekick Browser, Lenovo Mouse, STAR Method

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Ep. 34 GCFA, Oracle to Austin, ARM Interview with Jose, Chocolate Chip Cookies, Sidekick Browser, Lenovo Mouse, STAR Method

"Hey engineers thanks for logging on again. On this sunday december thirteenth twenty twenty ian. And i come back every week to bring you. News that matters interviews with industry professionals delicious recipes and topics four engineers by engineers today. We're going to talk about a new trend of tech companies moving to taxes of all places. It's the latest thing coming out of silicon valley. We'll also look at what it takes to pass the cfo certification and see the material that covers. We will then have our second interview with jose alaya on arm and sock chips. Then we'll settle win with a nice warm chocolate chip cookie from our chef ian as we look at the side kick browser and a silent mouse from the novo finally will go over the star method that is guaranteed to make you better in interviews to stick around all. That's coming up now on this episode of the back from the future show in the news this week last tuesday december eighth twenty twenty. I sat and passed the g. Ac certified forensics analysts are gfc exam. But i'm not here to ring my own bell about it. So let me tell you about my experience and what it took to pass the test in case some of our engineers are interested in taking the same exam so for those unfamiliar with the certification. Let me take just a few minutes to discuss. What the certification covers. This exam is great. For those looking to become an incident responder sock analyst threat hunter digital forensics analysts and even read teamer like a pin tester. The training course for the certification is four f. o. r five oh eight advanced incident response threat hunting and digital forensics in it covers diverse topics such as enterprise incident response file system timeline artifacts identification of militia system and user activities intro into file system. Timeline forensics intro into volatile data. Forensics are memory forensics volatile data artifact analysis of militias events and windows artifact analysis. It covers a lot of tools of the trade and it teaches methods on how to create indicators of compromise artifact timelines and performed deep file system analysis. Now some of us already know how it is to go through a sans course. But i'll provide an overview for those who do not all of the course material. We will be discussing here. Today was provided by sands. I was provided prerecorded course videos on their site. Mp three downloads of the same course material digital copies of the books and the actual printed books i was provided download links for all of the content that would normally come on to sixty four gigabyte thumb drives and in those downloads. I was provided. A windows workstation. Image and a lennox workstation. Image for vm-ware overall. I had four months of access to the material which was all on demand. So let's go over. How i studied for the exam for the first month. I did absolutely nothing. And i got completely sidetracked by other things. I tend to procrastinate around tests so this was sort of normal for me. The second month i installed. Vm's and vm. Ware and casually started watching some of the first videos month. Three kicked in and i realized the error of my ways at which time i shifted things into gear. I started watching videos. While also making my index at the same time in the fourth month i kept making the index. And i realized. I'm not gonna be ready in time so i ordered a course extension which gave me six more weeks to prepare. I use this extra time to finish my index and take a practice test which i failed even with my index and open books available. I then started to do some of the labs included with the course which i had not done previously but many of the provided licenses had expired by this time. Luckily i was able to find a youtube channel. Called thirteen cubed. By richard davis and i use those videos as supplemental material to the course for the labs i was not able to take. Richard luckily had been sans instructor for this exact course so all of the videos matched all of the sands materials. It was great so finally the day came to take the exam. I took it home through proctor. You which was a pretty good experience overall as with most sans exams. It was open book and open notes. I had to show the proctor around the room with my webcam plus flipped through the books on the camera to show them that each book was indeed a book i had to show them my index and notes front and back and once the exam began my mike had to be left on along with my camera. It took me the entire three hour block to take the exam. But in the end i passed. And that's all that counts. The entire five-month experience was stressful and at times absolutely overwhelming. All of the material was new to me so it was hard to even absorb it at times but i just kept going over the material and watching the videos until it all sort of fell into place in made sense. I have to say rob was amazing. Instructor would tons of experience and he was able to bring stories to the course that only filled experience could provide in the end. I would highly recommend this course. If you have the opportunity to take it you'll learn a and you'll refine your skills in the process so to that. I always say keep learning and i wanna just give a quick thinks to my son and my wife for supporting me through all these months of having to hide away and study for hours upon time and i wanna thank ian andrew roberto adam jose and so many others for pushing me to keep going when this test felt absolutely impossible. So thank you everyone congrats. Dj on the test. I do have a question for you. So now that's sands is giving you. Pdf books were you able to use those pdf's while you were doing your proctor. You test. I had to disable my second. And third monitor physically disconnect them and the test was full screen so no i was not able to and i was also told only physical copies of study materials in notes. Could be allowed yeah. That's one thing that i've been trying to ram my head around. Because i don't wanna make an index that's thirty pages long and if you don't know what to index is sands basically encourage you to make an index which is a short summary of your topic along with the page and a little blurb about what the topic is in almost this spreadsheet like format and in the past when sands actually give you the books you could use those books on the exam and flip through them so i was wondering how it worked for you since you said you couldn't use your actual book. Pdf's how did you get around that. I had made a twenty eight page index and i printed it in abc order. And i printed it in the order of the books. And i had used brad clips to put them together last minute and that got me through the test so i'm very happy with that experience. Yeah my last sands course also included the stuff through the pdf's which your own password and it was the same thing. I think i had to basically unplug with my monitors and nothing. My index was also 'bout tin pages. So i spend a whole lot of time on those indexes. And i'm just curious as to what other people were taking these tests do and how they're getting around the actual printed attest issue if you do wanna share your experience let us know in our discord channel congrats in. What is your next task. Unbeaten thank you. i think it's going to be cis. sap. I plan on doing boot camp because that on demand experience with the way my life has changed over the last few years that i'm so busy doing things i need something that's more structured so i'll do a bootcamp to do cis. Sp fantastic my new segment. This week is that oracle is going to be moving. Its headquarters to austin and this struck me as fascinating. Because oracle is one of many companies that are basically having an exodus from california in to the state of texas in austin is getting a lot of that business. California is facing a crisis. I think it's a crisis in confidence of their government and their business practices. Let me explain this year alone. Tesla hewlett packard pow in tier and now oracle or all relocating headquarters to austin texas. I for one. Welcome this news and envision austin becoming the news who had bali. I've been texas many times. And i love the state. It's even closer to where de gen- i live so i think this is a great move win. Oracle was asked about their moved to austin. This is what they had to say. Oracle is implementing a more flexible employees work location policy and has changed its corporate headquarters from redwood city california to austin texas. We believe these moves. Best position oracle for growth and provide our personnel with more flexibility. About where in how to work. This pandemic has fundamentally shifted. The employees office relationship. Many employees are happy to work remotely while many still return to the days of the water cooler chat inside the office. In my opinion. I think oracle's move is because california is becoming a failed business state due to non business. Friendly legislator oracle's infamous leader. Larry ellison was already at odds with california's politics after he hosted president trump for a campaign fundraiser. Back in february of this year. I think larry will have a much better relationship with texas current governor greg abbott greg. Abbott welcomed the news of oracle's moving to austin with the following. Tweet breaking oracle just announced. They have moved their headquarters to austin. Texas is truly the land of business jobs and opportunity we will continue to attract the very best welt. It must be working. Because like i said before he lon musk. With tesla hewlett packard. Pailin tear all moving. And i doubt they are going to be. The only ones are probably be hearing more of these types of moves in the upcoming years. The big silicon valley companies that remain in california now our net flicks walt disney kaiser. Permanent amgen mckesson mattel safeway taco bell chevron petco holding salesforce in levi strauss. Now it's not all bad in california and do not think that i am hitting on california. I just see that each other states are becoming more aggressive. This just goes to show that corporations like incentives in if you take away. Incentives and shutdown companies like the pandemic is doing businesses are going to react since two thousand eight at least thirteen. Thousand companies have left california. This exodus has cost the state. Seventy six point seven billion dollars in revenue and about two hundred seventy five thousand jobs. Each time company leaves the state. The state loses capital investment projects tax revenue in jobs. This has the trickle down effect of making commercial real estate reached drop as well as residential. Rents drop they go hand in hand. I personally wonder what the next company to leave will be states. That are surviving right now. Are states that have lower taxes. Simple regulations reasonable energy cost and a higher quality of life. California's cost of living is twice that of the national average. So if i'm an employee. And i can live in texas or charlotte or atlanta. Why would i want to spend twice as much to live there now. California's a great state's got beautiful beaches. Fantastic weather all year. But it's expensive. Oracle saw the writing on the wall and decided. It just didn't make much sense to stay there any longer. Dj what are your thoughts. I know joe. Rogan went to texas and he would texas because he says life in california had become unbearable. There's a very big unspoken homeless problem they are and he said he could no longer feel safe with his kids. Living in california due to some of the city's policies and some of the government's policies. He'd said he just couldn't take it anymore. Well this week. We're joined again by jose alaya just last week. He joined us to talk about own if it would be purchased by nvidia and how. Tsmc is outpacing the competition. Now he's coming back again to tell us all about systems on chips. Apple's relationship with amd and arm in the cloud. It's going to be an amazing discussion. So please join us for our interview with jose to learn more engineers. We're back with szalay back in october. We were lucky. Enough to be joined by him to discuss five g and wallpa-. We're joined here again today for a second interview to discuss arm. Its future and computing in the risk architecture. If you missed the last one we highly recommend you go back and listen to that episode from last week as it'll help this episode make a lot more sense. So jose can you explain what a system on a chip is a sock and why it seems to be the way forward for our industry basically is system cheap or system on chip please. The frame bodies basically. Tv's he's basically. I think the gration different functions components like a particular position bras ayso cars. You have by blind by. That's it system on a cheap or suck that you would see in any territory would see it as suck. You have all have the traditional view my hobby more memory. You may have also output and input porks. You may also having his case of someone you are. Gpu on you on notice engine. In the specific case of my at couple on the one suck you have different functions in that suck in chips not only the traditional view. You have pugh. You have a neural engine. So you have three different funds so every time you see literature when you see stock you took something that is has mocked campanas indication on cpu run depending. What are he can about. You may have some some works to handling pretty devices. You have some dedicated to that specific. This views that you hadn't so you can see it as a extension shown awhile you used to have niqab creed. I used to having computers use to have remembering the past houston to how microprocessors the used to hot cocoa seselj functions. Then you got the controller and then you got the up you so what. You're seeing this up. Today's on integration of all those functions in one cheap. I say that is the future as probably the present because ucla apple has put a lot of things there. And you will see more of that because is cheaper issue seek on. He saves you space in your war. If you integrate something the high integration that you have in song instead of having the frame is had. Purpose chiefs isolated. Uc more on more than six billion industry. Sistance That a lot that you have studied electrical engineering or electrical engineering myself in the past used to have everything bus different to you. Argue namely you had the controller. You need it anymore. You access keep you cpu. You have pathetic devices toilet. Everything was discreet. Obviously that makes it trucks big. Now you have that betty integrated on these great unicef too much pace on the tiny saves from processing Laugh you have to take on mammals take you will from the process with to the memory you have them nodding pig raided achieve you. I spend more pan behind one sock. You say that's one of the reasons you see that on that he's also people today because of the high declaration that you have today the saying goes when i think like how zeev sounds automatic Today you find animators. You need seven. Nanometers for inflicting nanometers downstream. Let computers have again. We speak on yen on these. Because you'll remember when we were talking about leonids years back we that nanometer extinct future looking among the puzzle. Three hundred union now about saving leaders. Final metered sunday coming. When is so old that saw competence pulse who vote because all these high integration that they have embossed themes is honey. Look i remember when. I used to think that would be great when you have that tape. Ration- this capacity. Yes leaving our now day. You know. I just did a quick search on google and the pentium four was ninety millimetres. And now we're talking about three millimeters and that is what fifteen years of technology improvements. It is incredible that has gotten that small. Yeah exactly so. When's mac calms with the annual arm. These wonder for reviews. Everybody's happy or have to weigh on see how he behaves. Native buddy shows you where those guys are going. 'cause basically at the end of this crash in the whole productivity you know or vendors may take notes pill pine to other on ep. You take some time that if he goes there that will lead by putting need was gonna ask you that. Yeah jose so i know apple has a current relationship with amd amd makes metal compatible cards based off of the open core framework that they can ride to what happens to amd's gp's kaz. They were pretty much partners with apple. You say that question mark. But i wouldn't say you know they asked a. Has this your most heinous. Has their nature. They see something that they can including the operating system or something they using their silicone. They will include it down on a person who was doing software development software now. The included as part of their system. seagull you about business for the other guys. Basically probably know next year you will see won't gpu amac's that and it's not like the. I like fault apple because they have proven time and time again that if you combine the hardware and the software you can code out all of the inheritance by doing everything in house except told me in the past remember why software was that they would have been something for apple. Apple decided to booted their grand system. Our remember he wasn't unanimity should be nuts shift now as night shift. Yeah you told me about. That would happen with the numbers guy. Say put say okay. We hopped partnership that doesn't prevent apart from putting the gpo high-end models may be to use to use but they won't use any buddy caves they're trying to do the same thing for phones regarding some things but they got big fide. We welcome about two billion dollar suit. Something that in fact. I think it was this year. That apple bought entails modem division because intil was just letting get flounder after apple got into the fight with them. Qualcomm this at all right. We are wiping our hands of you guys. And and i'm just gonna do everything in house since i think qualcomm wanted to get paid per ship or have some kind of fee per phone sold or purchased soul hockey reviving. The whole released. Safes caution armies race. Also some people are talking about the end of more. lo- see that to see that jump in integration. That are basically. The next of kin is going to be three nanometer. So is basically almost double the capacity of per se per fits kosovo Microscope has been interesting but this whole thing shows how were on monday. Glad that upper house. They're becoming a threat today. Regular chipper company wants these shows clearly the close relationship that apple has with ps nc. He's tied because they first guys who had a final meter cheap on. Andy doesn't have it. So those guys have the food wants to promo. Okay we have as they used to have a very tight relationship with samsung. Used to be the lead. Chip manufacturer for apple does no longer the case. They see new samson and the second one on a smaller one tweet shows how big police company with two hundred billion dollars. They've come put our lot of money will open your even so for example. The max issue seen the apple universe. Macs are really more part of the business. Steve got big Business can be between five million dollars a year. That's no small local Sales in apple huge in also the canditate allowed to have this thing with apple oppo nine of the the number one number two but three laps by the biggest profit company. Labs so all your guys They say more markets our race on slaughtered mall. That's how the the x eighty six x microsoft decides to poor windows into that stretch goes embiid can save x. Eighty six his in the us as it is a small company per to until they're losing focus. We probably see him in province in the future. I can see that what they're trying to do. Their ball accompanied that something different as he now on a web guys arguing that i've been looking in to their future as well and i don't see them or i think if they are working on on arm it's in secret but i see them firmly embedded in the x eighty six market right now i mean they have their console business which keeps them afloat but they are still not even dominant in the server. Space the next Four to five years. I am curious as to what they do how they actually remain of business since they are currently seeing the writing on the wall for x eighty six same with intel. if on. here's what's happening. a car. Upper was half big margin business now for inter put us being apple easy. They always try to squeeze you love the processor apple users from npr within the lower end rose as high as his so according to a big lots the say windows we had sabres which they are strong their bob polling for intel and amd these adding that low margin business you see seasonal sales pretty sure casino themes of income but nothing else so this is just the beginning in that car. What are police doing. This is just something that is active on the app. Big deal for goes. Harm is not only Inroads of arming the data center. They have to so called neo builds neo bears newark's numerous architecture saw sixty four bit They say harketting to arm is more efficient. On these bryce performers is saying that he's more powerful inco. It is not by when you compare price perform must be a for big data. Sanford side azure. Aws interesting there. So they come. They had these hockey. Madison company. called Pair if you're familiar with the company bear like colorado and you say one other impairs the company those guys. I don't know if you heard those company we have. Those guys came with a they adding sitting at on meter. So let's hear that italy's not yet so none of these guys came see. They have seven nanometers final. Meteors became without eight course seen same window. Couple that nfc few putting batting the data center intel is not there yet another years. The guys will use operates. Oracle were Missiles in the company structured as they saw data cloud solution. They use these rossel's So interesting that they are talking about that you you that also ashutosh you'll be saying oh we have air base habits by when you check on you know when you woke today clouds at one to harass herber. They have a few servers that they don't say what plus. Oh i think there might be the arm servers and you don't see any offering career releasing our based process with us makes me think that they need to that because go dealer. I'm also Will amazon and you went to use days they had their big Ross hasek's on you can choose those in right away and say they used a new verts. Hey architecture that is based on narrow actually amazon war. we've already closely to love you. Basically you see. Things are coming from one police. Using naivete based processors on audience high hamas one uk-us hayward echoed oda. Clean the coast. Piney when you can see those guys calming lewisite. Hey we have raced servers that you use with us on those cheaper. 'cause they consumed less power. Ernie powell where have you. Who cost her love. Where even if you have you not as powerful as you had the situation where you come to so as interesting like are you see those two things coming to going back to what you said. A bad amazon. They are fully committed to the actual neo. Verse chips these things are already up to one hundred. Twenty eight cores on the chip. And if you're going to virtual as everything these virtual cores are already in the market and you are increasing workload at end the price to performance efficiency. It's a no brainer to go with. These are models when you can scale out effectively hair exactly when you see that. Obviously you have. These options are lena's space like how you to handle. Uso to audio options are lennox betcha japan round. You can run on on this process today. That basically leaves you one going on with intel. What's wrong with any question. How many people are asking because basically came a follower when they used to be the new hop Rome windows seven nanometers on their option painted was working in certain animators processors and they have to announce that Problem that would have put in months. Lay basically one thinking about hiring. Those protesters seven nanometer. Maybe but twenty twenty two. Maybe three the holiday graduation problem there and they also say that they're working on ep. You and they might sort of the human factory so he chose you providence their nose but he also told you by the time they get their centimeters ready. He has an see would be seen on time so issues inside province. Until you wanna know more about that you guy who was principal union like a cold call swept nor a lot about that. He's who according by basically what he said was while we see annoy me companies like warming. The motorola is basically co- a rice of the guys. Now no hot cut by ground back cannot really understand the complexity of the product making decisions on the parts about the problems. These guys who are mostly finance guys notting. They're making decisions for companies This guy blames is new culture that took root in inter that not traditional in innuendo designer Who work in the company on no whale proud of the guys who are making decisions about how to make opening water from the financial point of view making some probably by the issues up need threatened the long term life or the company hit also today guy. He say that Hey i'm over intel. Didn't see them. Chain learning calming guava. Meaning of wha how or the machine learning was going to be and that's where. Amd basically carb in the car. Good niche in the market committee. Profitable with us because matching learning. You must leave us or that more than thirty hours. Cpu's also approach not yours is overseen in pale these processor. That are power hungry They always put high performance processors in their keeps betty powerful. But i'd be saying time. Remember when we were talking last week about who different type. Of course if you have enough cheap high-performance you possess what is not efficient if you put that obviously A lot of heat. You have to a lot of choline to lower the temperature more expansive as those guys are trying to save money. They have so that makes his whole expansive poet. Hungry when you don't need to have all like value come hops on kind of mix. That's when you see in the mobile world you see so high. In who have those devices have made some high in or Are lower consumption process or sunday you hyundai medium range on the less high performers course. I made cheaper. Obviously the body last long so having an intel chip is like having a bugatti as your daily driver where you could probably get by with a nice hyundai something like that that again. Don't discount into accompanying the next morning. They live profits like twenty million. A year profits are bigger that emc immediate namely combine. so we're saying no remember forty percent higher than it was three companies prophets combined. So it's not a company to fail announces that intel has those guys from tacoma do on their own processors they used to have that expertise by q. Called panicle so basically seniority relationship They don't have the resources to do that. Or what guys you you could say. Okay microsoft kane. You were talking about that. Yes before school about their microsoft face picks i think the sort of software most of it didn't work exactly so that's the point. You know the internet decisions those guys made but from my point of view there was a bad day secure. The how pro x this idea arm based processors Even microsoft people did not know about the product. He was fine. We with this guy's men can use our software here pharmacy. Yes army news that they saw what we use in. Enterprise were here guys. Don't even have guys who microsoft knew too much about museum produce really beautiful or dominicana. How you weren't simply civilianized. Bad inex- cough Microscopic project. I don't see those guys putting the air for the oppo you say. Okay one Picture you will see that can replace traditional. That will be the crumbles a man. I don't know if you've ever played with a chromebook. He has easily. So i don't see. Abc's dying anytime phone even with the threat that you've seen data hand again as you before you see when you vote who microsoft has window server. You can choose. Crossover the tackle A wedding issues related to our might be one of those ones that tenuously you what processor using hatem see. Those guys asked invested as amazon on oracle har- with these new architecture. I'll say this real quick of did a little research. And i found that google uses the tpu's and amazon and microsoft us fbga's to do their arm based training. So like you said it's probably the server list services where there's a layer of abstraction between the hardware and even the software that point you're literally just doing api calls hey. Is this a cat view. It for me. I think they're doing that on. Fbga's where you don't have to run software on hardware where it doesn't matter exactly. Yeah it might be the case because you don't see that letting the case of amazon you actually roll see. I went to run a boon to to wrong right. Had our on a on arm based new can hughes data specifically this thing with oracle the cool thing about those jose is that all these software is already compiled for that instruction set so they are good to go. It's the x eighty six stuff that i still like iced Alex wonder like if you're an enterprise and you want to save money and your main cost is power and heat and space and you can save all this money. Going with the arm instruction set again. I ask why would you choose intel. If you have a ten year plan is hold that the team led the price twenty. If you run in the cloud those are interesting questions for the question was what is the future again. No one knows but we've talked before about what would happen with arm. What would happen are leading. Media does allow olso. You see the issues with of we have talked about this whole today. The manufacturing process neither his non-american anymore. Okay we had the machine tools that i couldn't process of those had american from europe by the companies that megan Had he has himse on some. So have you at worse is so big for example is mc donate like sony percents market share of process. Make that second. One sam's gonna make a company called global foundries that used to be the manufacturing from md. You can see what happens that in these to be like incline decide not be published. We want to use our allman factory. That would be a different company. Decided because they see what so behind the they pay the company. Three hundred million dollars is with us factories. We went to france. Have three hundred million dollars to These again making these emphasis men insect changing here. Not for the good the three coast. He expertise During in the guys here they would design. Remember it. you oughta take you in union. The union can be keeping. Yes he signed things you forget things manufacturing that you don't know about us that we don't like too late Something about this shows. That were may long damage. Bad is a situation that we have here today. You have chip market you. Hop into the big players in himse samson but he i'm memory on texas where used to we excess instrument now is called the eye. They're ready speaking our discrete manufacturing. You see microsoft committal in qatar seeing going away. Then you hear these. This is the cow. Remember they're going to be seven nanometer two years from now but that time that we to universal behind he is so the. We wish that he's a moment. Wendell guy seeming. We're getting behind him behind. Why are we going to do so. Basically the we outsource all of our one factory that we to be laughing many cunning. You sweet or try to push and try to basically be close to the newer manufacturing processes. That's hard money any races have to be money for unit. When you are having out raise you. Running are running. The precise guy's going away from you. Then you have to ask yourself is a good for me these raise. Maybe as a company that we knew Anymore but that's how long term strategic decision that comey only front screen for the whole country of the future is very exciting Had apple doesn't make processors they signed it does make phones. Upper doesn't make computers navy. Signed those computers. Most important athletes really vote on day. Many profitable by seen. How things are today. The separation of benefactor in the fives name. we'd commerce commercial bottles. China future has bequest trauma about how these high tech industry may be. Out of. Hands or rich pronoun. Many comments even direct appropriate steve. They asked that question. Well jose i hate to cut this short but we do need to take this out of the oven. So if you don't mind could you tell our engineers where they can learn more about this and him discuss this with you further yet. Have we send you a bunch of people who wants to know more about this again. This is very interesting. You can last on that and you can seem limiting. Yes if you wanna join me yes please say hey account in the on the as i'm em's pest. So i won't read you. Don't know how helena. Please come back to the show anytime. Jose in our love to talk to you about what you just mentioned the actual trade policy and how that our nation's cybersecurity standing thank you thank you jose payment would one thank you for listening to our interview with jose. We could listen to him. Talk about this topic for ever but we have to close this book for now and put it back on the shelf. We look forward to having jose on the podcast again when such technical topic arises in need of his in-depth professional explanation. If you want to hear. Jose talk about something that you're interested in. Please let us know in the discord or on arlington page or even twitter. So every once in a while after a hearty meal chicken and rice it comes time to make a warm cup of coffee or a nice cup of tea and settle in with a nice warm chocolate chip cookie. That's exactly what iron chef ian had in mind this week because he has an amazing recipe for jacques torres. Chocolate chip cookies. Yes the hya- knees rice and chicken. Last week was a huge success. And i've still got some leftovers. But knowing me i wanted something sweet so i check out my old recipe book and stopped at jack torres chocolate chip cookies. These are not your ordinary chocolate chip cookies. These are something really special and these make great christmas gifts. You will be remembered by these cookies and will be asked to make them each time. You come this friends and family. So let's talk about these cookies. It's about forty five minutes to actually prep and you should at the bare minimum. Let these sit and chill for twenty four hours. I know it's hard to actually let your dough sit there and not make them but trust me. It's worth the wait. The ingredients are your standard chocolate chip cookies. One thing that sets these apart is you can use actual baking chocolate or a rich chocolate bar. You can get from switzerland or at least a chocolate bar with at least sixty percent cacao content which is basically the actual cocoa content. The other thing that sets these apart is that you are going to be using two types of flowers. You got your cake flour and your bread flour and these really add a nice rise to this cookie so that they're not flat in. It also makes some kind of chewy so you get the benefit of a nice crisp edge with a chewy center. Like i said these are something special. You make chocolate chip cookies just like you normally would. I'm not gonna go into that. But what really sets. These apart is wet. Jock discovered through chemistry. Is that the longer you let these sit covered in the fridge. The better they get like. I said before i recommend at least a minimum of twenty four hours but if you really want perfection you're gonna let these things sit for up to seventy two hours. The doe really changes during the refrigeration process. It takes an ordinary cookie and towards it into an extraordinary cookie. While you let these things set your dough is having chemistry happened right. The actual profiles of the gluten and the proteins are changing. While it's just resting in your fridge. The other secret. That jack does with his cookies is before you place them in the oven. You wanna sprinkle them with some sea salt. This really makes them pop. Trust me you'll be doing this even on your store by cookies to jasim up. Add a little bit of see-sawed on top and it really brings out those flavors. You're gonna love these cookies. I make them. They get eaten up every single time. I used to make them when i was working with you. Dj at bluecross and these things would be gone in a day in. I like making cookies and elect people being happy when they eat your food. It's it's a very rewarding experience. And if you make these cookies you'll also be rewarded with smiles on your friend and families faces jack torres chocolate chip cookies. Twenty four hours for great semi two hours for perfection. I remember you bringing these cookies up there. They were quite remarkable. So this week we have two great picks of the week one is a sidekick browser and the second one is a silent mouse. It may sound like a gimmick. But it's not for the first pick of the week i have chosen a browser called sidekick browser. If you're anything like me you live and breathe the web. You spend ninety percent of your time in a browser and accomplished most of your work inside of a web application of some sort you probably even spend a lot of personal time with a web browser be at browsing social media catching up on news or listening to this awesome podcast but we all use one type of browser to do everything we might choose between fire fox edge or chrome but these are all designed as general purpose browsers. They're made to keep everyone happy from your grandmother to your nine year. Old niece even with browser extensions. We still spend most of our time conforming. Our browsers to our work needs more than they do. Conforming to how we work. But that's set to change. With a new browser i found recently called sidekick sidekick is a new work based browser designed to be the ultimate online work experience. It's built on the chromium browser. So you get all the speed and security you know and love from google chrome but it comes with more features geared towards information workers such as ourselves. I'll list a few things that set it apart. It has a built in adblocker an anti fingerprinting protection to confuse ad. Networks and trackers like fire. Fox it's built around the concept of web applications so on the left can actually pin most used to web apps and they show badges for incoming messages and notifications so think slack our facebook messenger. It supports multiple accounts in web apps. Even if the apps do not support this natively so it will run one as session. There is also a true omni search which goes across all web apps at the touch of just a quick shortcut key. This thing searches even inside of the services that you're logged into it's optimized for speed since its purpose built. They have an a. I just tab suspender that helps with memory usage. No matter how many tabs you have open. And i know this is a chief. Complaint of general web browsers soak up so much memory. If you have a lot of taps it also has labels sessions to help with tab. Clutter and keep your personal apps separate from your work apps. It uses the same base as chrome as i mentioned earlier. So all of your favorite extensions are there for you. It's used by companies like dropbox microsoft's slack and facebook. it even allows for role provisioning on teams so workspaces can be automatically populated with different tabs and apps depending on. Who's using it. It's even remotely configure -able so it's great for enterprises. The baked in password manager allows you to share passwords securely without giving away the passwords themselves. Typically we would need something like last. Pass our dash line for this. So of this browser is something that interests you checkout sidekick on their site to learn more and let us know what you think about this in discord. This is a great browser and lake. You i've got browsed through fatigue and these days we tend to mix our business laptops also with our personal accounts this app if it does what it says it does being able to actually segment and separate when it comes to logging in work and then also being able to log into your personal account. That seemed like a really great feature no surprise. It's not in more browsers. That's why they made this. I downloaded it. And i hope to talk about it next week. Thanks for the pig. Dj us should add for for four free. How are they making money My pick this week is not as exciting as yours. I'm talking about a mouse. So if you are a mouse nerd. Maybe this is exciting. But i was browsing slick deals like i do every day and this mouse popped up and it is the lenovo think pad bluetooth silent mouse. I gotta say. I've been using this mouse now for about four days and i am loving. The great thing about this mouse is that it is only twelve dollars. After all of the discounts. I took advantage of a deal. That lenovo was having and got this mouse for twelve dollars out the door. It arrived on thursday and my first week. Impressions are great. I've been using the mouse. Flawlessly on two of my computer systems actually bought two it features a bluetooth five point. Oh chip and switched at the bottom that lets you use it among two devices. The silent mouse gimmick really works. You will not. Hey yourself clicking the left and right mouse buttons when you are using the device. Now i'll be able to click in the library and at night without waking up my girlfriend or a library patron or if i'm on a zoom call i can now be stilled scrolling as i'm looking at web pages normal even hear me is amazing. The nice thing about this mouse is that i can switch between eight hundred sixteen hundred and twenty four hundred. Dpi settings with the press of a button. It's not like an actual normal mouse. In the fact that this mouse is pretty flat. It took a little getting used to but it does not give me hand cramps. After hours of usage it comes with the aa battery. So you don't have to worry about making a trip to the drugstore to give this mouse ago. And of course since. I'm now in apple fan boy. I love the fact that is bluetooth and i don't have to mess around with a usb dongle now. Don't get me wrong. My logitech g six two zero mouse. Who works great but it requires me to use it dangle. With this mouse i am truly free after. He's in his mouth for about four or five days. I have to admit. I'm sold actually bought two more and will be using one for my podcasting rig in one more for my travel bag for win. The time comes that to travel again. The mouse is still currently on sale for fourteen ninety nine but with the coupon code of extra ten included in the show notes it will not get down to thirteen fifty and if you are a student an extra five percent will be applied bringing this to around twelve dollars like i said bluetooth. Mouse wirelessly works across ios as well android as well so for twelve bucks to me. It's kind of a no brainer. I wanted to pick one of these up. That's an amazing value. There's mice that go for twenty thirty bucks and they are not near as nice as the one you're talking about here it's great it's small. It's compact it'll fit in your bag so far really impressed. Well today. we're going to change things up a little for the last segment. Normally we'd have either in engineering explain segment or something. A little on the lighter side with some comedy but today we got a little feedback in our discord of people. Asking how to ace interviews. So i wanted to expand on some of the things that i've learned from either reading or talking to other people are going through the interview process myself. And we're going to be talking about the star method of interviewing a that some of our more entry level engineers market benefit more if we take a little time to go over this method and even those that have been in the field and are still going through interviews. It'll be a really good refresher now. Interviews are meant to allow you to show your potential as an engineer and really shine your career to a high polish in this industry. We normally do technical interviews but those are often used to make sure a candidate lives up to their resume. They are important to pass. Don't get me wrong. But they're usually easier if you're already highly technical the interviews that make or break. Most technical people are the behavioral interviews. These are the ones that we all dread but often have to be done to make sure an engineer's a good fit for a team or even the company behavioral interviews. Ask questions such as tell me about a time win and give me an example of a time when you did this. This is a time when you have to answer in the form of a story pulling from your career or life time that would match scenario for which there asking if this were not tough enough your example must be to the point brief and not ramble never ramble. So with that in mind. Let's discuss a method that will allow you to accomplish precisely that the method is the star method which stands for situation task action result. I you describe the situation you found yourself in secondly describe what you were responsible for during the situation. Thirdly describe the actions you took to address the situation. And lastly share what outcomes your actions achieve it simple on the face of it that's deceptive so the example question will cover today is tell me about a time when you achieved gold that you initially thought was out of reach so i'm going to break this down into its four parts. The first part is situation. Our company was in a phase of open enrollment which normally makes implementing changes to our environment. Very hard to accomplish. But we had a new fischler button to deploy due to a contract expiring and we needed to move to the new product quickly. The task i was tasked with working out a plan for deployment before the contract ended for our previous product. The action i worked with all of the process stakeholders application owners and change management and we collectively formed an implementation plan the result. It turned out to be a complete failure. No i kid. The actual result was we did miss our implementation marks slightly but that extra time allowed us to do more testing resolve other unforeseen issues in our environment and deploy soon after so. That's just one example of how to use the star method. You can find many other examples on other websites online once you take the time to formulate a few of these stories for your most common interview questions which you can also find online and you write these stories down. they'll become easier to create in. Memorize once you make a few for your next interview. Go over them several times so you can speak to them without reading them or glancing at your paper during the interview by using the star method. You'll sound concise to the point. And hopefully win the hearts and minds of your interviewers so if you use this method or even the carl method let us know how it worked out for you in our discord or on linked in and remember. We're rooting for you. In everyone in discord is looking to help one another there rooting for you too. So if you want more tips and tricks like this come join our great community of engineers on discord in linked in and we will all help someone get to where they want to be fantastic advice. I have used the star method very successfully in previous I agree with you like this is. This could be the make or break part of you getting that job when you are in a job interview they wanna see how you tackle the problem in the star. Method is a great way to show how you think. All right engineers. Thank you for spending time with this. Could we ask you to rate our podcast on itunes google podcasts or spotify if you take a screen shot of your review and share it with us on social media which is linked in or discord we will mention it on the next show and let me leave you with a quote for the week from steve jobs. Technology is nothing. What's more important is that you have faith in people that they're basically good and smart and if you give them tools they'll do wonderful things with them. Thank you everyone for sticking with us through another great episode. We hope we've provided you with something. You can take away from this discussion to make your life or work a little bit easier. We're grateful for everyone that listens and we'd love to hear from you. You can email us back from the future show. Gmail.com also find us on twitter at twitter dot com slash tech future show for the professionals out. There we can also be found linked in by searching for back to the future show. We greatly appreciate if you share this podcast with your fellow co workers or anyone else you know who would be interested in listening. This show can be found on most major podcast platforms such as apple. Google and spotify podcast. Just to name of you. Thank you for listening to.

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The Tech View | Episode 2 | Apple M1 One More Thing | PUBG back in India Official | Tech Milestone

The Tech View

25:30 min | 5 months ago

The Tech View | Episode 2 | Apple M1 One More Thing | PUBG back in India Official | Tech Milestone

"Hey guys welcome to the second episode after talkshow discuss technology attack by milestone so in the second episode. We thought to discuss something really interesting. And which is something very new and the heart tropic so recently but has now that it is coming back in india. So we're going to have that covered as well as we saw the launch of the apples and once made in house production for the max. So we're gonna discuss all about those in this episode and some minor tag news as well. So let's just begin with apple's m one launch so apple has launched even that we discussed in the last episode as well so apple said that they're going launch one more thing on the number ten and yes they have it. They have launched the brand new skeptical of cpu that the promised in wdc this ad that they are going to get that all done by the end of this year and they have fulfilled their promise. And it's almost the end talking about the amazon gift set. It was highly suspected that yes apple will bring because apple was not much expecting from intel and also producing the chipset's in production facility makes them have much more of resources and techniques to develop software so that it is much better to run we talk about the size of the chipset it is just five nanometer that what and includes sixteen billion transistors. Which is very good on the part of apple because having so much of transistors is very difficult to half and their approach going just five nanometers is much better for the bubble saving and also for the future of what we can see for the. Cpu's if your dog on the desktop cpu's via seen seven nanometer process in the three of md. Rising five thousand. I don't know why. But i always that into account because they have now set a new industrial standards. And now if you want to compare the cpu you obviously have them in your list so if it was the goes and other features that it is going to bring it has got eight goes cebu ondo left side if you see some diagram. That's available on the apple website as well so it has got eight goes four of which are very high performing so like for and four power efficient so in an i know steve. When you're just browsing the internet and stuff it was used african seacoast. And when you're in high productive mood like i am now doing this podcast. You will switch to the high performance. Schools also chipset doesn't only include the cpu. It also includes it goes for the gpu they have brought and say that they have the highest our gpu gore performance and also the drab is now embedded directly to the cpu. So it's the sadness for those who really bilo very then later on upgraded. So if you want let upgrade you will have to buy a brand new macbook or the mac device that you are gonna upgrade uganda upgrade the ram because it strictly unburied to the cpu undoubtedly it will be more useful in the task because there will be reduced. Latency that the you will have to send over to the ram and then get back the data so it is gonna improve the performance for show also the in blue sixteen goes data just logical coups which are going to help great in the field also as per vep site of apple. It states that one is going to boost a code of three point five more follow like it's just three fifty times the power that they were getting earlier with the older. Cpu's which directly hints that it was in bill and the performing much better as they show also for the db it says that for the ten watt power that the cpu consumes it is the best our in the industry standards and is the highest ever schools and the fastest. Cpu that you can see at such a low power but what also it says that it has got the fastest gpu so like adding and all stuff might be fun that today say that they have to extend the previous dubuque performance that they have like next generation of machine learning is now hair because they have got eleven trillion operations per second can be done with the sixteen core of the neutral engine that they put directly into the single and one process them so the process and not just be a single thing it is more offer cebu bless gpu plus ramp plus logical cores are say the neutral engine and more of the transistors that help it between them. So that's the complete package that you get in the an one so it is just the first one and we can expect more off in the future. The two would be much better. It was just the first arrow trap made apple also claim stat for the battery life. It can go ready long starting off seventeen hours on violence web browsing and grandiose on movie playback on new magma pro-trade image and for the macbook air it says fifteen for the wireless web and eighteen s for the movie playback and for the mac mini. There's no battery. you need to get plugged blagden. So that's not a concern here but the power users will really be very less for this. They also made the new the big sur. And that's rolling out and dax much faster than they see that they've optimized all apps can work with 'em one so now you can get connected via like ipad and all your devices and iphone so it is kind of a motor for into a single system and also they have put in at once security options. Well on the cpu and locking the cpu so that you are free and your privacy is really a metaphor apple so with an one. They're also introducing universal apps that they're going to use dax gonna bring much more of like the aps will be available across all the apple devices and it would be much better for you to do all the things in the single time. Well if we talk about the models decade launch it launched three models as a earlier set the macbook air and gave it a name and one coined the mag bre teenage the same name and wondering the and mac mini and monitoring so the interesting fact gums here that buddha macbook air and macbook pro gotta screen. That's thirteen point three inches. And the mac mini is a just a pc. That's very compact and small. And so you need to put in your own screen for that and for all other specs. It is almost seem like all guard. Apple am one chipsets has unified memory. Cpu goes that's the single process. So there's not much different that i would say it is all the way same. D- only defense that you see between the macbook air and macbook pro except for mac mini is that there's a brightness difference that on macbook pro you get a more brighter screen option and others like the is little bit different needs one point two nine katie for the macbook air and one point four kiddie for the mac pro. Both have got the seventy facetime camera. And which apple claims that they have put in more much more technology so that it's much more clear than even and beard poverty the tentatively cameras recipe. See everything seem. There's nothing different. But don't letting that it. That mac book bro has is. It has a touch bart. The macbook air has touch id sensor and magnet doesn't have any of these rest. Everything seem like they have the same audio calling feature. The apple pays available. The cities seem on all devices. The battery is team. Forty nine point. Nine watt hour lithium in the macbook air and fifty eight point two darts earlier discussed about you can see the difference in the battery life that they are getting and also on the macbook pro. You also get a usb c board else you get in the book air and sixty one word in the macbook pro rest. Everything is same. The mac mini is really downgrade for all. But you're going with the speed. It's all the same if you can go. And buy a extra extra best. Like india screen that exports and also about keyboard and mouse. And you'll love the b seating order desktop. I would say you should go with the mac mini because everything is same thing much different. If your dog world the unified. Ma'am you can go at eight gigs. Sixteen billion for across all three models. So that's nothing. That i would say is much more different but the main difference is the price so the mac minis prizes six thousand nine. Us dollars roughly around sixty four thousand for india. The price for the macbook air is triple nine. Us dollars that's roughly lack. And for the mac. Book brits want to level nine which is around one thousand so now i talk like what is the actual difference for the price. That's the only thing. I don't like about apple that they give is that you don't get any of the upgrade steady want lake for the more you pay you. Don't get much much value-for-money so imagine if you have like a smaller mac mini and you can get more of a stream that you can use an you have a keyboard and mouse. You're good to go. Because every other perspective like the process they seemed. Gpu is all embedded and everything seem rest so pay around three hundred us dollars for the macbook air laptops side at grand. And you might need to say that. I want to go into the laptop. Then mckay is a kind of thing that you prefer but renegade's macbook air. Why go for the protein inch pleased nor diamonds really saying protein because sixteen inches not launched and earlier wasn't available of intel and they are much more bob full but we are still to see what these devices have. Because the performance jackson arquette available because the sale starts on the november seventeenth for all three devices across the world. So if you're interested you can buy now on the apple website or contact some apple retailers data out there but what i think is that apple. Not make such a different. When you're giving everything seemed just there are differences between macbook air and macbook pro kadena jr. The difference only includes attach bar a bigger battery and a much breaker displayed for three things. Why should i pay three hundred dollars more. Well that's something. Apple should really really look forward to. And i believe apple might release something really exciting in the future just like something that they did when they brought the air if it see a banal about the pudgy. The budgeting was very popular. Like i said that they shut down your operations. And then they shut down their servers than the south korean brand the grafton game up and said we have a with the microsoft episode and we will come back in india and now it's official. The pubg mobile has revealed their jim while india plans here. I made a think. Bub g mobile india. Yes the bobby g. mobile four india is going to have a very separate app. Here's going to be the pub ju- mobile india and for the basic features that they are going to change number one. They're going to host all this services with microsoft as your dad's gonna be all placed within the local boundaries of india because microsoft really have big servers in india and their operation for really long so but is finally coming back in india also they have now put on more of a data safety perspective and to have a healthy gameplay environment. They're now gonna be looking at their traditions of india and making it a feature that all the players will have some gluts by the ford. There will be no exposed of the bodies of the players. The bikers would be much more customized for beyond the will be customized voinea. So like it is going to be a complete india only game also for the black. They're gonna jane that color to green which they did earlier in the china version like in china it got banned for showcasing blood and later on after consultation. They changed to green which was an option in of jim. By as well that you need you can change the color from red to green but now in indian virgin is going to be completely green. The puck jim. Awhile is putting a bad impact for that. They said that they're gonna put some limits on the game place like you want to be able to play the game after few hours and that was some feature if i remember put on earlier as well but it didn't gave up successful because the revenues off the pub ju- really dropped then later removed the feature and for the more announcement details. Bob said that they're to come back with the release and the launch date very soon in the future and it's going to be back very very soon. That's what the see if i talked about the budgeting. Well that's all that is going to look forward to for my perspective. But g welcome back and would not be a much different because when punching gave out three came in three fire and people suite to free to have their time spent other games like the card mobile was there and now even the suspected for g with donovan. It's gonna lease. They are like just pushing away the date on sarah. They released the trailer. Caesar and mostly on the valley. That's tomorrow. They might launch with the brand new mom game. But there's no official confirmation by the end court team and still has a very good market the creators of pub. John really really wanting to come back because they tried many new games. But the watching and all the stuff that they had is still with like a fans only and also he has promised it would be recruiting hundred. People in india will be coming up and helping them managing the business. That's going to be a very very plus point for bugsy in india so now we have to see like what has it for all of us because what has stated in a lease is much more of what the brand believes but what actual implementation comes is still not known but he has. The news is official. That bob g. is coming back in india very very very soon so now. Let's just talk more about russian. Was being asked to me him very very dying like what productive twos when you have an option between two so now. This is a completely different topic. I would say like whenever. I used to go somewhere. People would ask me what to buy between these two products or send me links by message that these are the two zero to be looking forward to. We want to choose one from them like either using a smartphone a daily of laptop a desktop and much more features so to choose from two things you need to i i would say look back at some of the reviews that out there like if i talk about the reviews you need you need to go with someone who is somewhere around more concerned about quality that then selling the media these days reviews are also sold out so what i would say. Reviews checking should be done by going to the website from where you can his for example the biggest platforms like amazon and flipkart in india. You can go there. Jacob reviews reviews really helpful when it comes. But don't forget to sort you saw go with most recent ones and really potatoes because there are many times that people just being fan boy are being asked by some community head. Go on in greece. The reading of the products because they want that to be on the best selling list and brands really do that in india. So the second thing that comes into your mind is the budget as well. So how do you want to spend is one of the major things that you need to consider so because you will see that the ratings of almost all the brands having smartphones are similar now that comes and now next gums is your particular use case that i would say so. Use case depends on how you use a product. Do you use this. Use it as your daily driver. What you do do just surf the internet using the laptop. The stuff you just some online classes or you do some heavy tasks like video editing playing games so there are different options for every different things. So i would say that's all based on your use scenario your budget and your willingness to buy for the product like i have seen people that don't like a particular brand and they just say i won't go with the best because i don't like the brand or the brand is i have a bad experience with so what i believe is much better is that you should. I decide upon narrow it down to more and more of less perspective so when someone gives you perspective you search on the internet you get a green tea options then put a bryce filter. What is my maximum budget. I can go. And what would the something minium that would give me some features. After you have done that you are now will be left with around seven. Eight options then portend. What your use cases if you want to go some thing with the much more of gaming with high-performance that has a higher. Gpa uconn or i would say graphic processing and then followed by that go with the gore gore count and ram as well. So if i am a veteran i will go with something that has more goals and a graphic process so for show so that gives me much more option in everything and reduces my number so add then we are just always down to three maximum three two to three of the things that we have been on two to three. Then we check the reviews as will then then comes the reviews thing so on the reviews. Also if you put a sort feature you can go with the most recent because there are updates that are being poisoning after that. Some issues happen. If i remember. There was a smartphone that law and after just few days like when it was lloyd of beek from that update was pushed. That broke down the camera of the smartphone. The camera was no longer that good that it was earlier. Soviet that people were like v. What a better camera now. It's not good. The brands better. That was just because software upgrade game up and that changed everything so in so when you buy go with the most recent reviews and when you see all the reviews that a their go with a very fed procedures only because as elliot said aren't do false marketing. They've they pay people. Also the ask people to read the products without buying the website sometimes allow few of the users like they just order a product read them and orders create account give review and cancelled dada darts the flow that some brands really do and i myself experienced this thing. I want the names as of now but there was and there are still being done so that is something that narrow down to our lake. Give you the so that what you should buy. So even if you're stuck with a to go with what best suits your designing design. You'll love the colors. You love that being there or not and also often services that are being offered for example. If i get five year warranty i will buy that product red and the one that gives me one year or one. Five years over anti because brent is something that comes very handy like the apple care because they just plays the phone vantage broken and. That's something really really. Good that i expect from them so over and all your joyous at the end and you have to make the season so guys there was all we had for this week's episode number two so we're going to be back with episode number three on the next friday seven pm and it's gonna premiered on youtube and all major streaming platforms. So make sure you have subscribed and followed the show on the on your favorite streaming platform because we are aware now available on almost all the major streaming platforms. So see you guys. Next friday seven pm on the on your show. The tech view talk show and tech are combination.

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Oregon Business News Roundtable: Mike Rogoway, Reporter for The Oregonian

PDX Executive Podcast

29:46 min | 7 months ago

Oregon Business News Roundtable: Mike Rogoway, Reporter for The Oregonian

"Support for this podcast is provided by kresa. Cra says the occupiers champion world's premark corporate real estate advisory firm exclusively serving startup businesses and major global organizations like as a portland pillar for over twenty five years kresa partners with its clients throughout the entire project. Life cycle the workplace strategy and discovery through the deal transaction and project management delivery of space kresa partners without conflict in applies integrated expertise to make your business better go to cressa dot com slash portland to connect with the portland advisor from that cast creative. I'm dan bruton. And this is the pediatrics executive. Podcast the show where. I talk with inspiring leaders. Who are shaping. The future portland oregon. Every week i sit down with business executives startup founders and community leaders to dive into their career journey and get insights into the impactful work. They're doing our slice of the great pacific northwest. Mike welcome back. Thank you thank you. It's good to be back. I i think we talked. Maybe march or april and right when this is starting and here we are so i wanted to reconnect and i don't know we even talk about star crazies. I how are you doing the oregonian. How are things things are are good. You know about as well as could be expected Under the circumstances you know. It's it's been difficult several months but it has not been unbearable by any means. It's just an extremely busy As pandemics go You know we're hanging we'll get Before start recording. We're talking about just returned the office and what the You know the oregonian with newsrooms gonna look like so. We'll get to that. But i think when we left off that know this was just kind of starting maybe april we had. I can't quite remember. Maybe we should just kinda start with the unemployment picture in oregon where i think. There's been a huge fiasco but I know you've been doing a lot of coverage for it so lunches to start there and let's start you know i. It's it's friday. The fourth is were recording this federal unemployment numbers of just come out and You know it's down to eight point. Four percent job growth has slowed considerably Over the last few months and we're still well below where we were in february in terms of national headcount. oregon unemployment has roughly followed that trajectory. You know the bounceback we were up near. We're fourteen point nine percent unemployment in march which is the highest point on record while the bounceback has been. I think much stronger than economists thought. You know the talk was twenty or twenty five percent unemployment. We never got close to that. That said there's a lot of agility right now and i think layoffs have returned to pre recession levels. They're not in oregon. Anyway you know it's it's it's not terrible in terms of new job losses but There's a lot of fragility. I have an article running this sunday. Looking at a census survey of small businesses on their outlook and small businesses are closest to the ground and maybe have the best view of where things are are at right And in the portland area. There are much more pessimistic than others. You know of the fifty largest metro areas portland. Small businesses are the third most likely to think this is going to be a long downturn and there are among those who feel most strongly that who are have felt the effects most strongly. It's obvious to me why portland should feel worse than elsewhere. Our numbers don't look much different than the national numbers. Perhaps even a little better than many places. I don't think we're disproportionately dependent on things like travel and tourism although those are big industries here they're big industries in a lot of places. Yeah so it's it's not clear to me why that is but you know we see federal payments drying up you know. There's no new stimulus. Money on the horizon with the with congress deadlocked so there's a lot of concern that are are sharp bounce back Is about to tail off. perhaps even reverse. I think last time we talked. We may have referenced. The square root recession. The idea was that it would look like the square root symbol. We'd have sharp downturn. A sharp uptick and then a long slow line outback. The uptick has been faster than people expected But people don't know right now. Is this gonna be so more like a w recovery where we bounce up and fall again and then bounce back up. Are we going to have that square root situation where things sort of tale out for a while or might the upward trajectory continue. And it's all up in the air right now. Why is starting mike well. Why is that referencing the article. Your it's coming out that sentiment whether your thoughts why that is if it's not you still the uncertainty. Is that a lot of other things that are going on in portland oregon or what. What do you think so wondered about it for the whole metro area. So it's not just downtown okay And i wondered if the protests might be part of that but the sentiment has actually improved modestly as the summer has gone on among small businesses. So if they were thinking oh it's you know where you know. It's the protest killing us killing reputation. That wouldn't explain why they were feeling better about it now than they were a few months ago before the protests. Really going true so i don't think that's it i. I think it may just be a more sober assessment that we felt this pretty acutely and i think people feel vulnerable and i you know when you look at national numbers the places that are feeling. The best are places like salt lake city which are relatively isolated. And you know haven't been hit that hard by the pandemic oregon hasn't either way But i think starting communities just feel set apart from what's going on nationally. I think portland feels very much at the center of it. Ma may also have something to do with. We were although the pandemic did not hit us particularly hard. It did hit us pretty early. And so i think very modestly at first but i think we may have internalized at that time. So that's that's a thought it also could be a statistical anomaly It's hard to say. I mean i talk about obviously a run events that that industry has decimated but You know doing virtual stuff like everybody else. And i'm finding as we're getting into people. Calendar year lease that are getting into budgeting season which will be start. Pretty much this month next month or are already started Folks are being very cautious already in. There's a lot of things they've just totally eliminated for one reason or another so. I don't know what that says about it but you know it's it's it's just really hard to tell our. Think i think school district's go portland just probably not doing particularly well at getting people tuned into to online schooling or setting prognosis for getting people back in the classroom. And i think that's going to be a major economic headwind for us because if if parents don't feel confident that their kids are getting an education they're going to be at the very least diverted from work and perhaps reluctant to do it. That is a huge deal. I mean it's just my own household you know. We live in the suburbs but It's gonna be online. And unfortunately i can work from home and But still it's like my wife. And i like how we have to get. How are we gonna do this. I mean i'm not. One of us is not going to be able to work half the day or however long so we have no idea and i could see fortunate that affects everybody and whether you have to go into a place of work still or or even if you're homeworking that's it's almost impossible so yeah we're definitely at a it's it's it's an issue everywhere except for a handful of places where they are going back into school and it's going fairly well for the most part you know people are are not doing great. I think the outlook in portland. Maybe isn't great. Things are hazy You know the postponed really postpone the start of school by two weeks. They're having the soft start. But there's much schooling going on during that time doesn't instill confidence the district. After having started this in march we get into september. And they're still not ready to go and they have delayed the start of school I think that may be affecting the sentiment. Well let's talk about some industries that are doing well. Maybe we're getting you know what are you. I do just like you talk to some folks that are in industries like. Hey we're doing the best we've ever had which is interesting So what are some of those Well i mean intel. Sales are were out of this world. Last quarter Because people are working from home and they need new equipment And because data centers are more important than ever so their business has been going really well that said until also had a major technology technological laps with their seven nanometer processor there a year behind on that after years of delays to their past to their fourteen nanometer in their ten nanometers so even though the company's bottom line looks really strong right now. Investors are not happy about the outlook. The stock fell sharply last month and has not recovered at just this past week though they released new processor for laptops Developed in oregon tiger lake and people are you know Pretty encouraged about that. I think nike sort of the opposite. Their sales were not good. Last quarter but investors are very optimistic about their outlook under their new ceo. They've changed strategies they're going to push online more. Selling you know their own products their own way I think there's a feeling among investors that smart strong companies strong brands can invest during downtimes and emerge in a stronger position. And so there's a lot of investor. Confidence in nike guess makes we fall stock market. It's i think it's a race to all the losses right so far. So yeah yeah. Everything's bumping up against records And people are quick to point out. The stock market is not the economy. But it is part of the economy. It's a useful barometer to some degree. You know one one business that struggling. I don't think he's getting enough attention. Or maybe it is getting. The attention instance. Hasn't necessarily reach people's consciousness is precision cast parts and they have they eliminated something like a third of their workforce in the first part of the year. They were struggling coming into the recession. Warren buffett you may recall bought them for thirty six billion from Few years ago the biggest single outright purchase ever by berkshire hathaway And it was the biggest deal for a company in oregon history The company had manufacturing problems after that sales weren't really growing. They got snookered into Buying a german company that turned out to be pretty much accounting fraud. They did win a court case for that. Seven hundred million. I think but they're unlikely to recover much of what they lost. Their business is heavily. Dependent on aerospace and boeing. So i at seven thirty seven max and now. The aerospace industry is totally grounded so that's a business. That's really struggling. It is doing badly and some of that is because of the markets they're exposed to some of which it some of. It appears to have not been very well run Perhaps it's the same team that warren buffett bought. Perhaps there was an immigration problem or Perhaps the company just believed its own press but clearly buffet overpaid for it. Because it has not performed well Since he bought it and it is a big employer in this market. Yes so they are. They are struggling. It's bad i think i'm going to read something you wrote about that a while back. I didn't really realize that depends on the airline industry and the out. That's that's unfortunate in such an iconic of oregon company to right. Oh yeah it was our only well. It was them lithium motors nike. Where three fortune. Five hundred companies until they were sold they are. They were a big company. But it's it's bad. Let's shift to start. I mean startups a little bit because this is world you cover and how has the startup. ecosystem affected here candidly. I haven't followed as closely these last few months because there has been so much going on the downturn was not as severe as people expected there have continued to be some investments. You know In the midst of all this this vancouver companies zoom info used to be called. Discover org frank held ipo and it was a sensation rate. The they did they did a really really really well Their stock went out for sixteen or eighteen. Shot up to forty something. Can i think they're the second largest company by market value now in the metro area wow And essentially you know marketing leads that they call through scraping websites Or calling people up and less so calling people up to find out who's managing what but using glengarry glen. Ross these are the goodell leads. You have these. These are the things that people people want and That that business has has done well now. The the there has been some retreat lately. Because there's some skepticism that their methods are really proprietary. That isn't something somebody else could duplicate That might eventually be kind of commodities. Lots of people are doing the same thing but an but they. They used their ipo to pay down their debt. They had an enormous amount of debt. from a couple of private equity deals when when they went public but they've reduced that now so there's still money losing company but their subscription service so they can probably over time work their way out of it. Investors are very hopeful among other. Start ups you know. We saw some immediate layoffs at companies like puppet which no longer startup obviously but after that and jama had some layoffs that they said we're not related to the pandemic right at the beginning but other than that. It has been evident that there has been a whole bunch and there have been a few companies That have had significant bench around during this period in part because they're exposed certain parts of the market like telehealth and things right. I have and i was gonna say to one of the to that point. I had the ceo of bright dot md on my blog was the company i was going to mention and it sounds like this is a good time for them. Yeah i mean yeah. If for a handful of of spaces this is and not just good but really good and and so you know. There are a handful of companies that have been well funded from that mean. You're so we'll get back to kinda downtown and just working remotely oregonians opposites downtown And a lot of big employers are there you saw. I think the the standard standard insurance is a big employer here locally Said they're kind of kind of have everybody worked from their hillsborough office. I mean not an armed. You're working downtown anyways right now but yeah i mean that that's sort of a shot across the bow but it isn't really big impact because you know it's a skeleton crew working right now but but it's you know they're clearly with language they're using they're holding it out there and say hey. Get your act together now. I think. I think it's really hard to tell with downtown right now. You know how much of what's going on is because of the reputation around the protests those of us. Who work downtown like you. And i did. I mean if you're not right on that corner most nights not every night but most nights. It's not an issue. It's not an issue at all during the day. Yeah and most nights you know you could walk three blocks and have no idea what's going on now. Shooting that happened last week was not on those view bucks. It was several blocks away. Oriented spilled out across downtown that night and i think things like that. Do worry people but part of what's happened is there's a void because nobody's downtown. 'cause nobody's in offices right and so you know everyone who's there at in the evening is a protester. Yeah yeah and i you know offices are empty. Restaurants are empty hotels or empty. I think we'll have a better idea of what things look like. As the pandemic starts to recede we also don't know if people are going to go back to the office on the we're consolidating into a single floor. We're going to try and sublease our fourth floor. Where the newsroom was. More people will work remotely it at their at their option. It sounds like if they want to the company. It sounds like i think things are still fluid but probably will accommodate that. I don't know how well that will work in the long run. My colleague jamie goldberg had an article no three weeks ago. Maybe talking about some of these issues and she talked wieden kennedy. And we're like. Oh yeah the beginning. Everyone's like oh we can work remotely. We can all work from home after a couple of months. were like. This isn't quite what we hoped would be. It's interesting there's a couple things. The biggest concern. I have is all the small businesses that service the people that are downtown like i went down the other day for something and i'm like oh my favorite bagel shop. I can't wait haven't been out like your few months I showed up there. Boarded up out of business and just crushed me you know. And so that really concerns me now is talking to someone who worked at elemental technologies and You know they would go to their favorite benko place and how they really made their business based on hell mental Employees amazon employees. So that kind of thing just really breaks my heart. You know for those business. This isn't impossible time and the longer this goes on the worse it is you know. Psu is mostly remote. I believe So you know. That's that's a huge campus. If you're not downtown if you're not at the south into downtown you don't realize it but there's tens of thousands of people who every day to go to school there you know. That's taking a lot of wind out of out of downtown's energy so those are our big problems. Now i think downtown portland has a few things going for it. one is that it's centrally located Like downtown san francisco's the top of an insular Yeah sort of in the middle of the bay area but center gravity in the bay area and south over the years. It's kind of out on the edge downtown vancouver. Vancouver washington is far on the southwest corner of clark county but portland is right in the middle. Downtown portland is right in the middle of everything so the standard say. Oh we're gonna move to hillsboro. Well how do you think your employees and gresham feel about that Yeah that's that's not great and you know it's it is very centrally located. It is very pretty. It is very easy to get in and out of as downtown's go. Yeah there's traffic and everything but there's good transit in and out of it great transit in and out of it. It's very by kabul. So i think if office work returns downtown portland will return. We just don't know yet. What people's appetite for downtown will be for office work for office work. I mean generally. I i mean. It's not just portland. It's everywhere writing my own. Feeling is i like to be around people. I like the collaborative environment given the option. I would work in an office Dan you worked in that office. Yeah on on south west. First overland nato. It's beautiful view. It's look straight down on the willamette. And and the hawthorne bridge right. You know given that option. That's where i wanna be. But i don't know that everyone agrees with me on that. A lot to be said for working remotely. Well there is but it's interesting. I talked to a nike executive. And i and i was just kind of talking him off. Line i said know generational wise like do do you see a difference. Appear wants to work is a younger people that do like to work remotely more. And he's at actually now. It's the people that are in their last five ten years of the career their career love to be a home but the younger generation or the people they want experience that campus feel especially at night. They want to go to the nike events. Have serena williams common. Give it talks. That's in it's harder for them potentially to advance because you're not getting that time with senior leaders and so i was actually kinda surprised. Think that way but That's that's hard if you're coming out of college now and got On boarded remotely. You're you'd never have not met your team yet until generally a year from now that's going to be just really hard you career. I could see that. Well i you know we have again a great crop of interns reporting interns at the oregonian It seems like they get better every year but for them the experiences. It's not the same when you're not part of the internship is being around people And you know you can see what they've learned and the mistakes they made. You don't have to make them right but it's much harder to do when you're working remotely It's it's a really difficult situation. And i my my thought is that maybe there will be more remote work. But i i think you know for instance. Facebook is indicated it. Oh we'll you know we'll probably allow remote work almost indefinitely now but if you're in bishop's you'll want to be around the managers you're gonna wanna be around the executives. Say okay. that's enough. But i think they're still going to be an enormous poll so we'll see. Yeah we'll see. I mean i think things will always come back you know. And it's it's easy to get lost in here. It's just the uncertainty. What's kind of we'll go for a little bit longer. But what's your outlook now that you've you've been doing this for awhile. You've been through a lot of different economic cycle. So as have i and what's your outlook on this. We never been through pandemic. But no i think. That's that's the wildcard and think all economists are saying So this is not the insight on my part. But i think the feeling is that we don't know the economic recovery here depends to a great degree on epidemiology and You know. I think there are a million ways that this could go yet I do think you know. The economists had something in portland business. Alliance john depan yet. Echo northwest and others picked up on it and say call ninety percent economy where you can do ninety percent. What you usually do with a ten percents is still leaves. A big hole and i think for the foreseeable future. That's kind of where we're at and you talked about the small businesses downtown everybody in hospitality industry bars restaurants. Who else it's going to be bad for them for a long time. I think it will even even a vaccine where hugely effective and by next summer for example we could be confident of of being where where we were I think people are going to be reluctant to cope back to the way they were for a while just to get their feet under them. So it's like your so dabble and then it's now i'm kind of like well. This is the way it is. It's like In some ways. Obviously it's positive. it's just kind of nudge. The acceleration of what water businesses should be should have been doing Digital and things. So there's a lot opportunity in that it's just gonna be some bumpy roads for those industries. You mentioned right yeah. I'm working on an article now about film industry and you know like a laid off fifty seven people two weeks ago like the hillsborough film studio the decor lion the two strings. You know it's it's difficult. How on the other hand though show machine which is making with gammel detoro which is making a new pinocchio in portland so they shut down pinocchio for maybe a couple months but it's going again and You know it's it's difficult. Some people are working from home and building puppets and and things there Others are in the studio doing that. The filming but it's difficult because you only got one person on saturday at a time. That person leaves somebody else comes in. They never overlap. Eighteen get done. People are finding ways to get it done and i talked to some folks in advertising market yesterday. And they're like. Oh yeah we have all these creative solutions their businesses. About half of what it was. I think but it's not zero right. And so i think you know incrementally these things may start to push. Whatever happens so i guess. My outlook is that. I think we're likely to have a a slow modest recovery The risk is that if consumer confidence falls away. If there aren't new relief programs. Then i think coming into next things could start to fall off against it. We might have something more like conventional recession at that point. Well it's interesting to see the spin consumer spending as you know it makes up two thirds of our economy. Actually it's kind of been on hot streak like with the big box retailers. It's just consumer spending has been decent and Savings has been strong and that's because the federal relief payments the employer payments have been strong an had the federal relief payments coming out so a huge share of the population has not lost significant income during this which is different from other recessions rights and and shows the value of federal stimulus. But there isn't another round imminent with that. So yeah as gonna say mike. It's always great to have you on. And i know you got a lot of work to do. Just love checking in and thanks for being out there and doing the good work. Because it's it's important to know what's going on here locally. We we get inundated with so much national news and opinions. About what portland is your team. I've worked there. Just really do the important work. So thanks mike. Well it's good to see even remotely hopefully next time we do this. We'll we'll be doing it together. Hopefully even if his outside we can do that. A beer right. Thanks good to see you by the pd. Executive podcast is a production of that cast portland oregon podcast agency that partners with brands to create custom. Podcast you can learn more at that. Cass dot com. And please take a moment to subscribe and rate the podcast as well.

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Monitor Show 17:00 07-23-2020 17:00

Bloomberg Radio New York - Recording Feed

01:42 min | 9 months ago

Monitor Show 17:00 07-23-2020 17:00

"Today at Bloomberg Dot Com on the Bloomberg business APP and Bloomberg take. This is Bloomberg radio. From Bloomberg World, headquarters, I'm Charlie. Pellett Intel shares are plunging hours following its latest quarterly results, Intel slumping after the world's largest chipmaker set a new seven nanometer production process has been delayed again shares now down by just about ten percent US stocks tumbled to the lowest a week after an unexpected rise in jobless claims rekindled concern. The economic recovery has stalled as for today's economic data, and how that plays into the shape of the recovery, Brea Misrey as global head of rates strategy of TD SECURITIES USA in shape recovery is very hard to see where the. Virus. Also that bottle. The veto we've seen of late has been stimulus impacted even as we get consensus in. The toussaint till seat far would even get three. One one and a half trillion to you're not going to get that team kind of stimulus. I see a very choppy recovery. And a choppy session today with the SNP down forty declining one point, two percent, Dow Jones industrial average down three, hundred, fifty, three, a drop of one point, three percent Nasdaq down two, hundred, forty, four, a decline there of two point, three percents tenure up six thirty seconds with a yield of point, five seven percent gold at eighteen, eighty seven, the ounce west Texas intermediate crude, lowered today by two percent at just about forty, one zero, six, o'clock on West Texas intermediate crew. At and T. says three, hundred, thirty, eight, thousand regular mobile phone customers stopped paying for their service during the covid nineteen Christ.

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Podcast #605 - RX6800 & 6800XT Review, Intel / AMD History, Microsoft Security Chip + More!

PC Perspective Podcast

1:34:04 hr | 5 months ago

Podcast #605 - RX6800 & 6800XT Review, Intel / AMD History, Microsoft Security Chip + More!

"Flood with the pc perspective. Podcast on episode six hundred and five. We recording this on november. Eighteenth twenty twenty. And tonight i get to be your host. I'm josh walrath. i'm still jeremy hallstrom. I'm sebastian peak. I'm brad fan. Well that's nice that everybody was able to chime in a somewhat reasonable order. So as i go pale here. I'll read off some of the bullet points for this evening namely if you'd like to be notified of events such as podcast other potential livestreams and maybe even some twit streams in the future you can subscribe to our email for any kind of updates for bc per dot com slash subscribe. We typically Do emails out before these live events and Like this podcast. If you can help sports site we would be greatly appreciative ad. Revenue is is always an issue these days and so you can go to our patriots site patron dot com slash. Pc per and become a patriot. And i believe that Our friend brett We have a couple of new people who Who have subscribed. And i take great pleasure in announcing the two new members who have signed up to our patron Jason smith Number number one Thank you very much jason for your support and someone who mysteriously identified themselves only it using the initials s e. What do you think that might stand for kind of open to interpretation. I'm not really sure super echelon not know. Yeah windows yup. That's me but close. No hold on hold on. No no no no. Yes see the first coming. I see to anyway. My cat is stalking me again. I i heard some yelling going on so it it She may be showing up again. This is this is not the day for pets in between puppy cat and Two children so anyway going onto the next thing we. Let's talk about the burger. Who had a burger today. Anybody anybody else yes okay. I sure did have a burger. It was called the johnny appleseed it had to locally sourced beef patties then lee sliced apples blue cheese and bacon chris so basically they chopped up bacon and mixed it with blue cheese and made like crisps and put it on top at mustard. Greens i never heard of those before and chipotle email it's nice. Yeah dow it was. It was a fantastic. We maybe not my favorite but certainly was a very pleasant experience. It may be a little too rich ever have again. I prefer it a little bit more heat in my burgers but no this was a Yet again a good The kind of smashed the abundance a little bit The fries needed to be a little bit more well done but other than that. I can't really complain. It was it was really good burger and you know didn't constant our mental egg they put the mustard greens on there. All good man. yeah every burgers. We has them get blown out. I really need to get some different lighting in the stamm room manager for christmas. The the war the warmth of whatever brett's using as compared to your engine. Yeah yeah. I've tried to make it look as unpleasant as it is for me Yeah we we had another burger. It was a bit of confusion in the pre show. Yeah brother michigan. Yeah because he's getting in on the game let's see is his game is is pretty But other michigan had I don't know what kind of looks like some blue cheese on there. Maybe some mushrooms definitely had some some pretty tasty looking Fried pickles so burger day and radon sixty eight hundred launch burgers excellent choices. What a way to celebrate buying one of the few cards in existence e. s. But you know that leads us directly into our first and probably most important review. Sebastian wrote about the new radio on sixty eight hundred x t and sixty eight hundred cards that he got from. Md never mind where there was no cpu. But we're still in the game with with video card so you've gotta be happy about that. Yes elated so taking away their sebastian. Well let's just go straight into the Review images here. Let's let's look at the website. Pc dot com for this review. And i don't have to be on narrating this. I mean the card is if you've read any of us watching the videos. It is extremely impressive. What they've done big obvious here. You can shout it from the rooftops. It finally happened after years of waiting from when it was just a a twinkle. In raja's i two now he's like george. You're slow roll introduction by the way the whatever i wrote when you write like midnight long time ago in a galaxy much like this one humanoid beings i became aware of the phenomenon known only his big navi as elusive as the similarly named but only tangentially related bigfoot from earth's not quite ancient history. We now have much more than grainy. Hand held camera footage for video cards leaks. Yeah i wrote very airy nice. And for takeuchi. Stunning i might add. Was okay but look at this. Here's the architecture of rda two we had heard about this revolutionary infinity cash that plays a huge role in the performance. Here and we haven't even tested all of the features yet. There's other stuff under the hood here but rda neetu more performance per clock and they went kind of nuts with clock speeds. I i don't know how it's even possible but they did it and when you have pretty good. Cpu guys to also lean upon There's gotta be some some cross Pollination going on in between the cpu and the gpu people and now you're all using a probably fairly optimize seven nanometer process on both of them that you've got a pretty large chip running at almost two point five gigahertz. That's that's that's kind of insane win you're talking only three hundred watts. Tdp potential and so you think the gp you guys leaned out of their cubicle over to the guys and said hey you guys. We got a reading problem. We wanna hit two point three figures about that. Because it's what markham canada and singapore designed in proven in massachusetts. So you know who knows who knows what all kind of things they have Have done but yeah. I mean you're the the game clock two hundred and fifteen makers for the x t and Eighteen fifteen for the sixty eight hundred and the boost is twenty to fifty four the x and twenty one zero five for the sixteen hundred but you saw numbers far far greater than that. Those are conserve numbers. I'm looking at it and again. That's kind of crazy. Because i mean they will normalize. That's the thing but momentary frequencies were always hitting twenty four fifty in games with the x t in the next. He was always hitting twenty to fifty. So it's their boosting very very well with a more powerful cooling solution like if you put one of these underwater you could. I presume you'd see longer duration for those high boosts. These are more momentary bursts of speed. But yeah i mean it's another another advantage of the sixty eight hundred series that they become with sixteen gigs of memory. And you can compare that to be thirty. Seventy eight gigs. And the thirty seven. These aches thirty eight ten gigs. And you get a lot more with thirty ninety. Obviously if you can get a hold of it which is funny because our work just got two of them and they paid a premium who for them but anyway that's neither here nor there though it does kind of become relevant later on when we talk about actual availability of these Even in your testing though even when you were approaching ten gigs in in memory you weren't seeing a tremendous improvement in performance over the sixty nine hundred rather. You didn't see a a lowering of performance with the thirty eighty. And i think that you would make a good comment does that member usage does not necessarily map directly to memory performance. Or did you say that if somebody else. I'm not sure what i said was. Memory allocation does not equal memory usage. Okay that's what seriously said there's a lot of confusion out there about and this sounds like i'm being an nvidia apologised but i mean there is a lot of confusion about what those actual numbers are like if you have a game or utility. Gp's something is reporting the total number like this whole amount of uranium usage. There are a lot of games that will just straight up. Allocate all available v ram and that is not indicative of how much is actually being used during the game and that will change throughout the game depending on the scene the textures. So it's i would have to look into it a little bit more to see if there's an accurate way to actually. It might be application specific. So i don't know if there's some utilities i'll tell you like exactly how much of your am is being used to render each frame that you're seeing but we didn't see the thirty eighty fall down at four k at all. Then there's you know there's there's a bandwidth constraint from the memory itself with the new radio on cards just inherited the fact. They're using gdp ddr six and not six x six x not h. m. two so they've got that l three cache one hundred twenty eight megs of Game cash and You know if you allocate that according to your performance figures probably not and Even though it's it's using six digit. Dvr six six like invidia. Has they performed very very well even at high resolutions. Where you'd think that that more memory bandwidth would Equate into more performance. But they've got that hundred twenty eight megs of L three cache what the infinity cash. What they're calling it now gaming cash you can never tell him because what gaming cash is on the cpu right to makes sense infinity cash. Yeah now so it's a large amount of yeah l three cache on on the chip and if you really really clever with what you put in there and what you're constantly kind of accessing and changing to do the scenes it doesn't have to encompass the entire sixteen gigs of memory You can put a lot of that stuff in two hundred twenty eight. Meg's very very close. It's three to four times the speed and lower latency than Bain memory which is the gdp are six. And so yeah. They've they've kind of delivered on the promise instead of you know some heavy duty ray. Tracing or tens of course hardware they. They've kind of invested that space in a large amount of l three cache and the performance is really really good at four k. Didn't wasn't a little bit of fall off at four k and maybe memory bandwidth might have something to do with it i. I can't really identify what might have caused that. But there's a little bit of a place changing from the you know. Who's the quickest card here. And a little bit of performance fall off at a higher resolution. Sweat what he guys think. I noticed branch marking guy. You everything being constant. And i. I didn't do any adjustments to the details sightings when new from fourteen forty two twenty one sixty so moving up to four k it was still either ultra high or whatever it was fourteen forty and we would like you said we were blocking. It wasn't much like if you look at the very long but be for anyone wants to l. Amd put out a four k card. We're not saying they didn't because they yeah. What's the definitely across the board. Every time they put They switch from fourteen. Forty p two four k. That's when you see the thirty eighty starting to jump ahead occasionally by one frame sometimes a bit more. Just give you some time to fill in sebastian. Yeah thank you. I've just thinking because remember when the radio seven launched and it had sixteen gigabytes of memory and it would just seem like this outrageous number like nobody had ever seen a consumer graphics card that much ram what are you gonna do with this much v. ram and it opened up all these worlds of possibilities for you know creative. Gpgpu kind of applications and nothing really for games. Lets you just went nuts like if you did like display scaling and ran the game like internally at eight k and downscale as a four k you could use like ten or twelve gigabytes. I don't think i ever reached over. Twelve maybe and that was doing crazy stuff like chattel. The tomb raider eight k. I well that wasn't out yet. But yeah i mean maybe that would do that. Could be the use case but here. We are a year and a half. Later and all of their consumer graphics cards have sixteen gigabytes ram and it seems like they would have the edge four k but it's interesting that they don't scale to four k at least in the testing i've done quite as well but there are games that absolutely are optimized for the such as we had early access copy of dirt five. We'll not really talk about. It came out on november six but amd monstrous amd was no looking Asking reviewers if they needed any keys and of course they were offering games that are very optimized for md. And why not their games. That are famously like You know optimized for nvidia but will get to that in a second. Let's look at benchmarks year role in talking just at the outset. Here's mark times by times by extreme. It's a fourteen forty and a four k test. this actually was a pretty good overall. Look what the performance is going to be like in games across the board whether you like synthetic benchmarks are not the founders edition. Thirty eighty is just ahead for sixty eight. Hundred x t. It's not a massive difference here and there is a fifty dollar drop in price going down to the sixty eight. Hundred x t. It looks like if you just looked synthetic benchmarks. There's going to be a slate production performance. That is more than offset by the reduction in prices. It's all theoretical. If you could buy these ms rpm what's really impressive to me is looking at the sixty eight hundred nine exte- and seeing that this beats twenty it beats a thirty seventy easily and a lot of these benchmarks are gonna see are going to be sixty eight hundred sixty eight hundred and then twenty eight. So it's it's extremely impressive what they've done especially with the nonoc titas the positioning the pricing. I know what is more expensive. The sixty eight hundred is five. Seventy nine in theory versus four ninety nine for thirty seventy but still a heck of a lot cheaper than twenty eighty ti and has better performance. And then here you are. At four k thirty eight eighteen sleet. It's a little bit bigger by percentage but not much and then the same order. Basically through the middle of the chart where a sixty eight hundred faster than twenty eight hundred and thirty seventy so and by the way i went back through and retested twenty eight numbers using our old founders edition card previously. All of the chart shown this acis strict card. That is now in brett's possessions when needed to retest are are efi and those numbers are actually slightly lower than the strict because the strict wasn't a factory it was a factor overclock card anyway. Here's that five number that we were talking about. Six hundred t blows away the thirty eight in fact both sixty eight hundred series cards. Were above the thirty eighty in this test. At fourteen forty ultra so let that sink in for and that's a native dx. Twelve game Yeah wow so moving up to four k same story you still have the sixty eight hundred on top but now the thirty eighty and sixty eight hundred or effectively tied. I mean we're down to the second decimal place here almost like it's about a half frame per second sixty eight point six five or sixty eight point one four effectively tie. It's a three run average and that seemed like if you just looked at these numbers and didn't look at synthetics and look at any other benchmarks looks at amd provided titles. You're going to see the sixty eight hundred x t as the new champion. The new gaming champion and but obviously has worked extensively with With code masters. On this i mean. They're they've been a partner for a long time and was that a built in benchmark or or was that a you actually went out and drove a little bit. That is a glorious three minute long unbroken race then guess you can just and benchmark. It's pretty consistent. We got the consistent average results out of all of these but moving onto another game that is typically kind of an md game this game that they promoted back when it came out. Tom clancy's division to this is fourteen forty high using the x twelve and the thirty eight. Founders edition is about five frames per second faster than the sixteen hundred x t the relative position of the sixty. Eight hundred twenty eighty. I remains constant through all of these sixty. Eight hundred is a faster card than a twenty eight which is in turn slightly faster than the thirty seventy and we look at four k. Same settings the x twelve high preset suddenly. The thirty eighty is on top by about five frames per second four and a half over the sixty eight hundred x t and all the other positions are the same so these these two cards the sixty one hundred thirty eighty they flip flop depending resolution which is interesting so we were alluding to earlier with the whole. Is this memory thing and it could be. Maybe it's the driver thing. I don't know if we're using beta drivers to task. I says on fresh wine very fresh wine. I will say though i was i was expecting a game like metro exodus. Which is a more nvidia friendly game to be like a thirty eighty front runner even at fourteen forty and it was not so this eight hundred t again. It's not much it's less than a frame per second but the sixty eight hundred x t on average came out on top in metro exodus at its high preset swell and then if we moved to the cells ninety five and ninety nine percentile numbers are are pretty good frost the board. Yeah boy. we've we've really come a long way in terms of drivers strengths and people really optimizing for a smooth experience. Exactly i remember when i started using it goes to test stuff. In december of two thousand eighteen. I was kind of amazed games like f. One that were put like less than half of the average for the ninety fifth percentile and then even worse than ninety ninth. But they're getting better. Metro exodus is actually one of the worst games for frame consistency. That i see but it's still not bad but anyway flip-flopping again just it's about five frames per second advantage for the thirty eight four k in this game so i mean got less memory that sets weird but you know what i should do. Ghost recon ghost recon. I did not but that was another one. I listen exact. Fps review and a couple other places grabbed that one. It's just weird. I don't quite grasp why it chooses to flip flop when it foot fox i just. I wonder if cash related because one hundred twenty eight megabytes of cash. Maybe when you're pushing more pixels because you have to keep them fed like you have to keep the memory system going. I don't know maybe that's just where he has. An advantage was the thirty eighty. Has the faster memory because as you can see it's still a heck of a lot faster than twenty eight t i f four k and so is sixty eight hundred but they have the same memory system the all all architectural decisions have a trade off and amd decided to go with lower rated ram a smaller bus. They didn't have a choice. Below a-rated lamb ram ram because each vm. And they didn't want to do that you wouldn't be fabiola underneath. No no. maybe. It's just the gestalt theory the whole is greater than the sum of the parts when when it comes to. Gpu design as as the entirety of at invidia has a small advantage there at at canada's this price point at andt higher resolutions. I don't know it's It's gonna be interesting. And i know a lot of people be digging more into it and we'll also get you know enhanced drivers eventually that potentially will will Improve performance in some of these corner cases but You know. I don't know we'll see we'll see other was gonna say how many of us are running it for k. Right now no. I mean i is a fourteen forty display every day and then i use four k for game testing. But that's it see. It's not quite as nisha as a as an esa. Lyra crossfire card. Setup used to be in the in the old days. But honestly i mean four k is lovely and it's coming it's here but it's not something that a lot of people are aiming for and one of the lovely things is that fourteen forty p. You know this. This is where the card set. So it's it's fun to talk about the forecast stuff but honestly i have looked at the surveys on us. But i'm betting there's less than a percent of people gaming at four k. Right now it was low. Guess around that it was just a little under one percent. Last time i get and even fourteen forty wasn't that high single digits and the katie. Yeah but that'll that'll eventually we're talking about. Ucs don't follow the mainstream gaming on what you consider thirty four forty by fourteen forty. I mean that's almost that's yeah. It is ultra ultra wide fair. That's my new monitor. Just got the thirty four chelsea monitor. It's still it's almost. Four k is essentially thirty eight. Can't grab about twenty percent less. Okay like two point nine k. I don't know multiplied out. It's significantly less forty percent less fewer normally. Did i did some testing without a on a twenty seventy super and it put a pretty hard load on it and i was only hitting mid eighty frames. A second in runs on The tomb raider shadow the tomb raider mid eighties with the mid seventies on on the benchmark run with l. s. off and talking about so rtx enabled then. Guess yes so. It was a bit of a strain on that card. Normally on a you know a two k monitor. You'd see numbers of pushing over one hundred with that car. I do believe a twenty twenty-seven super and it was down twenty percent. Which i think we just need to overclock on this six. Yeah it's got gotta be an to see as an aside A soren has has done another shop. Hold on yep and of him as is kind of terrifying as well. he's watching actually. Apparently that that's pretty freaky as well. I saw that so either. One of those are good to share or both always afraid. You should be so clean. Is it and clean it is wearing. This is appropriate that whenever you dive into the discord. So yeah okay okay. I like this hold on needs to be like sort of uh. This is the soap. I use underneath it. Yeah now so. He said excellent he did say hard mode. I noticed that it has to be soap on a rope right. No we clean weekly show. The let's start. let's do this. Everybody likes to talk over me. Who's running this damn thing. You got to be more assertive you shut. Bread is me any still making noise. Brett i'm gonna take your audio away right looking on practice audio is gone. He's in timeout anyway. So so what is the power of the thing. That's probably most interesting to you. Especially if you look back at the the two thousand generation and amd's original dna What really pops out what this. Rda to architecture. You tell me. Josh i hope. Not the caps twenty. Yeah there's a little bit coil noise to with your your models so there is fair. Oh that's that's a that's a that seemed to be a feature of amd belt cards. I wonder if that's a sapphire thing you should ask ed. Is that fire. Still the maker of the reference cards for md. The group sapphire is so. Yeah yeah but no. I mean Looking at these numbers They kind of line up well. With what video does and and that to me. That's kind of impressive. Just because the fifty seven hundred. I seem to remember it being a little bit higher power Then like a twenty seventy which it competed against At twenty sixty super which was another fairly efficient card for for the performance that you've got But knees their their sub thirty eighty Across the board pretty much the sixty eight hundred is a what a two hundred and fifty watt. Tdp official board. I believe yes. That's all and that's that's right around the old ten eighty ti which you know people still have grasped in their cold dying hands. Jonathan could replace eighty. I would twenty the ten eighty and the sixty eight hundred on the same test system. Were within one watt. Each other idol end low. They're almost identical power. Draw connecticut when you look at the performance between the two. That's that's that's what about a seven part of that seven nanometer and part of that is is just overall decide because I mean look at vega. It probably pulled you know the the sixteen gig version. It probably pulled around the same kind of power as attended. Ti but that performance was significantly. Lower vegas sixty four and the You know the big special Radio seven or vega. Seven vegas seven. Yeah they were. They were not even though they were. They were seven nanometer parts. They were not overly efficient but they have really injected the secret sauce in our dna to and they've done things just because in theory the have more transistors active at once the way that they get the workload go and and You'd think that you wouldn't see as much shutdown in different portions of the chip. Which is you know they. They all chips these days do that. I mean they will essentially just cut off power to things that aren't needed and pop back up and clock it back up and then when they do ads just you know we got an extreme amount of power. Gating going on and So that they're able to achieve this kind of performance and not blow up. Thermals and power draw is really impressive. I thought that would be a little bit ahead of him just because you know last. Several generations of products invidia has been Especially in terms of performance per watt but now. Amd certainly is his come back. I mean it's you know. I wish there marketing had been a little bit better at their launch. A month ago where they would explain the performance a little bit more accurately because lot of people had doubts about it and we were among them but this releases his erased pretty much any of those doubts they have a high performing card that does not break the tdp and power consumption targets that we've of set for this generation again. That's this generation is. Were giving a whole lot more leeway That we have in the past but it's not unprecedented that we have this kind of power. Dry mean like the gt x four. Eighty was a monster. And if you ever tried to touch one of those reference cards. While i was gone it was. It was an exciting experience. So yeah i've been. I've been very impressed with this. And of course the the elephant in the room that that nobody wants to talk about but everybody wants to talk about is they ll ability outline. We don't have any numbers whatsoever. No matter how much jeremy grumbles we don't have any numbers of of how many cards were actually shipped There are some people. Say that as low as the thirty eight. Either those say they ship more dan the initial batch of thirty eighties. I don't know Local micro centers. Were getting like one. Sixty eight hundred x t and twelve sixty eight hundred and you have to be kinda lucky to have grabbed one I know frank is or is not doing himself any favors by saying well look guys. I was on the dot com site. And i bought one. Even though i had a refresh couple times like okay. Had that frank frank. Yeah anytime you have an employee saying. Hey i was able to find you know as people were. There's hundreds of replies to that. Yes i still think. It's a great card though. I mean both of them i mean. Let's go to closing thoughts on. I mean we can each chime in. Go ahead sebastian. Since you had the hands on. Yes well as i said in the review and i'll just cheat here and read it. I think it's safe to say that. Md has delivered on the big knobby promise. Suddenly in vatican altered the gaming landscape bringing us closer to parody. We've been in many years. Yeah this is an area that amdi has Has not been in for a very long time. Probably since hawaii the the rx to ninety that was kind of a last gasp of of their stuff before the paris which is still a thing and they're still selling those at a tremendous amount which is just very strange. But the you know there are popular ten eighty card with eight gigs ram and Sub two hundred dollar price. So yeah brentwood event. I think there's room to sneak a couple of ti cards in there. We'll see how nvidia response and personally actually tried to buy one today. And oh my gosh. I couldn't i crazy. I i couldn't get one. I mean you know. One of the sixty eight hundred cards couldn't get lazy. I wish amdi dot com had these cards up for sale and let thousands upon thousands of people by them. You know see what she later you. Why not and that plus. They do that because they're robbing their partners. Eventually the partners are going to have enough stock that they will fill the channel and be able to to to supply the demand. It's just gonna take a while. I mean we've never been in an experience like we have now. The pandemic has has has caused such a drop in not just these finished products but all the components we have less people working in vaccari. That make this stuff and there's a longer lead time. I mean people even like You know the concept two rowing people. I mean they're they have a four month waiting thing for for buying stinking rowing machines because everybody has to exercise from home. And i mean we look at The controllers Racing wheels and joy. And we've come into the time where people are staying home They see the nascar guys. Racing virtually and they're like. Hey that sounds fun. Because i'm not doing anything else with my life other than working from home and cheating so they find that may have a little bit more money and i'm not trying to excuse. Amd because it would be really nice if unload and a be able to unload a large amount. But they i mean they they. They have a lot of reasons why they wouldn't wanna do that. I mean they wanna get a certain amount a certain amount of time because that helps Quarterly earnings and actually get stuff into market and it shows that their competitor to nvidia. And you know these next two months or are going to be very very important for amd and its partners to be able to get these cards out if they want to take any kind of market share because you know we had rumors of you know there's going to be three hundred thousand thirty eighty s. That are going to be dropped on november. And so far we have seen no such thing Invidia and you know new egg you go onto their nits. It's you can get fully prebuilt machines. I think the cheapest one that i saw with like a thirty seventy fourteen ninety nine product. You can get those right away but you can't get the cards by themselves. And so this is. This is a big bill Big hill that amd and and all of its partners in invidia and all its partners They've climb jeremy your thoughts. Well the back end is not in good shape either and you know specifically for the graphics cards and the cpo waiting for as well but same goes for your rowing machine or your next logitech wheel. These supply chains got screwed up back in january. Don't just rebuild in the space of a couple of months because you end up waiting for you know be bottlenecked components that are still stuck. And you know we're we're getting better. Hopefully fingers crossed. But you know the the supply chain has been so devastated throughout the entire part of it. Yeah it's not. Just one single companies fall. It could be an issue connor. Whoever they're searching their capacitors from it could be the people making the pcb's for crying out loud it. It is horrible. I am at least as upset as everyone else about. Not being able to buy the silicon that i want but at the same time i have to understand that along with the increased demand is josh is talking about supply has really really been runs through the wringer because there are certain parts of just takes awhile. It's like when you have a factory fire. Which drive company was it has. Yeah sorry s i. I was thinking of the old the flood at seagate. Yeah when you shut one of those down yeah you might be able to open up again in three or four months. But that's just to do the repairs because these aren't something you just sort of stop and then come back to a month and fire up again like a car in your garage to serious amounts of work has to go into getting everything up and running again so it's frustrating and i feel you but at the same time there's the it but there's good reasons why were dealing with all these shortages says fashion. Give it award having did. Do you wanna talk about the physical presentation of these cars. Because there's a kind of interesting Spec in and picture that you you took of The especially be sixty eight hundred x t. You mean the thickness. It's thick and it's harry. Oh yeah that's true I don't think. I have a picture in the review of the of the card a scale. I think posted that score. But it's the xt if you look at the actual car that's a nice three fan design and you look at the thickness first of all from the side. These basically look like rtx twenty series graphics cards it's that same inset here of the top one does sixty eight hundred looks very much like and it feels very much like a video product from last generation but obviously with three fans this thicker guy down. Here this is the sixty eight hundred x t and this three pounds and five ounces of just dance. gp it's still just a conventional ten and a half inch long graphics card. This is a two and a half slot design. the sixty eight hundred is a completely normal to design. What's odd about this is actually. There's no ventilation on the back whatsoever. These just have like a radio. Logos stamped into the The bracket back year below the display boards. It looks weird doesn't it. Yeah because all of the air has to come out of the top and the bottom and i was a little surprised at the three. A monitor ports actually usually all the teams go right into your motherboard. Usually you know. I'm not sure they'll now behind the usb see of course i mean that was vr extensively there. Well originally. yes. But i think they consortium you know behind that and the couple of devices that actually took advantage of that for you know real using the special protocol that they had. I think there no more i. I'm not understand the inclusion. Maybe get out plan that way earlier. It is a little odd that it's it's to display portent to hdmi because that that that kind of changes things up for triple monitor to in one two hours right. Yeah that's why was interesting as it usually see four to three of one or two and two instead of just to display port and one. Hdmi in that mysterious uc by but the more mysterious issue. Let's get into this briefly. Because i i. I was responding to a tweet earlier about this. And it's it's there's something going on here with the radio logo itself and the the sixty eight hundred has a red logo that is backlit lit and the sixteen hundred. X t has an opaque plastic logo. There's also back lit but you would think that the opaque plastic versus red would be because gb logo window from level tech said that just for a moment his first power on the machine kind of cycles through different colors. I don't know if that's just because that's how it's creating the red or what. But there is also apparently a place on the pcb. Four like an rgb header out. That is not in use so you could have had a rgb radian logo on these and we don't so missed opportunity as you know yeah. It's a huge part of the performance picture. The overall it adds like three frames per second when you haven't nailed equal to rage mode. Yeah it is because he needs extra power so it draws extra power from your board to power. The air's you'd be laying which in turn increases the power limit by two point eight percent so so did you use rage mode when you benchmarked or is this going to be something you're gonna do later. He's going to revisit this and the d. l. s. resigned. I want to. I want do racing over clocking especially over clocking the memory and rage mode. I did some testing with sixty eight hundred x t and then. I was having some weird issues like i enabled bridge mode a go into a game. I went into far cry five. And i remember like the mouse isn't and i looked at. It was fifteen frames per second inside of far cry. Five and i also had some weird regressions in metro exodus where it was like ninety. Something frames the first run in. Twenty eight frames the second run so i was like throwing out benchmark results using display driver. Honored stoller just. I think this is just young driver. Issues plus switching graphics cards in the same driver. Install kind of stuff so yeah that i decided to just tell. I need to clean install. Put the all the drivers on their when they come out. Rather than just these beta drivers that were released to media on like the cervix or maybe the eighth of november. So they're very young and then we'll revisit this and do more testing but unfortunately right now. It's the issue with this. Launch is not performance that performances outstanding. The issue was just availability so we keep beating a dead horse. Yeah these cards. If you do this and if you overclock and i'm just gonna read angry comments about not being able to buy them anywhere so a as far as a ray tracing goes. It isn't portent to note that they do have hardware. Ray accelerators on there. I don't know exactly how that equates to the hardware store saying well. Okay if you look at the reviewers guide at their slide decks. Guess i guess. There's one percy you. Yes so what i read. I read that. Yeah but did you. Stumble upon any of the reviews did like the minecraft battery very version. It's not good. No it's there are known issues with this press driver to there was a list including some stuff. That's why wasn't gonna go out of my like if i have to clean all this thing. Why do that for the press driver already has issues. We need to do a fi. Yeah it's hard to do everything day. One like you want everything you want over clocking results. You want the tear down. You basically want what gamers next this does but unfortunately i can't vote the same of time that they can't so let's let's call a close to this. One overall. Very positive does get an award. I gave it the The old ec. Josh nice editors choice. Yeah well dave. I cannot go ahead i was with the editor's choice and was subsequently called in. Amd schill in the comments artis boy. Who had you can't get out. Editors choice without taking flak now. I know it's dangerous interest to do that all right so anyway. Let's move on to the next subject and one that was kinda interesting came up today Invidia announce earnings and they were monstrous. Four point seven billion dollars in revenue. That's the the very max they've ever made. I mean last quarter was the max ever made. And that was three point eight million. They've improved by nine hundred million dollars and so yeah. They're kind of kicking it and We saw a massive increase Six hundred million dollars from their q two q three justin gaming. So that's all their video cards. That's their switch stuff and then Their data center went up to nineteen one point nine billion dollars just by itself and that includes melania six but when they cut factor in their seventy percent growth over the year in data center which is just massive that sets amazing Thirteen percent of that revenue was extra revenue is is melanoma and so i mean their new cards going into the data center staff and their dx jean-yves servers and all of that. I mean that's eight a significant amount of money. That nvidia is making in. It's it's very close to how much they're making in gaming. I mean if you look back in last year of of q. Three fiscal year. Twenty twenty which because invidia has really strange fifty years They were doing sixteen point. Six billion one point six six billion in gaming and their data center was only seven hundred and twenty six million and now those two are almost even and they've grown to be four point. Seven billion dollar a quarter company and they made something like i think it was one point two billion in net revenue one point three solemn very close to that. But i mean. That's that's a huge amount of money. That nvidia has never seen before. I mean they've had good quarters before but they've never had a quarter like this and to say that you know. The pc gaming market is dying. I just don't see it again. You know these are numbers that are that are heated up by you. Know the pandemic you've got people staying at home. They probably spent less money and going out and doing things going to concerts. And so they they actually have some some money if they still have a job extra money than that. They can afford these things and so they're buying them and this is why were in between scalpers and people who really truly want this stuff. We're seeing just unprecedented demand for this high end computer hardware so people could play games and then you also have places like my work who actually will take a thirty ninety and put it into production for machine learning We just got a lambda labs machine and last week we plug that in got on the network and it was in production within five hours of us getting it and guy was hammering on it and let me tell you that thing puts out a lot of heat with two thirty ninety senate pulse of a power and but i mean these are the bice that that we're seeing it's not just regular people because so many small and mid major businesses that can't really afford the big data center stuff i mean. They're relying on like thirty thirty ninety four Doing a lot of the machine learning and the tensor are great. For all of that end the performance that we get with these cards versus just regular. Cpu's i mean it's it's night and day. People are doing matrix transformations at a thousand times. The rate of fast cpu. it's it's just. It saves so much time and money and they're khuda stack Their software stack is really second to none and so people like to use that. Because you have all these tools available on its well known as well-supported and who would have thought audio be the one hundred percent of their stuff imaginary bosses. Oh how much of. It stuck in the pipeline. Not in boss. We sold every single one dow and they've still got a lot of Two thousand supply. And that's going to be out there and they're gonna eventually have to start gonna have to eventually start the seven that stuff off at at a lower price and to just get it out of the channel but This was their third quarter. And we still have the fourth quarter coming up and the fourth quarter should eclipses yet again. We're looking at well over five billion dollars That they'll make in a quarter and a lot of that is going to be gaming data. I mean that's all they do. Dotto has has just kind of always gone down but datacenter gaming. I mean that's driving. The company and a data center is increasingly starting to be in the driver's seat because the margins are great and The need is there what he guests thank. If only they were advanced enough that the could actually program the to go out for groceries for you and come back with them. They'd be making even more money. Yeah well sky's the limit for them. I mean an aggressive company with You know some pretty knowledgeable people there in the technical know-how and Yeah it's That they are they really are i mean. Amd has has come a long ways in the past three years. Invidia really is. I think a bigger competitor to what intel is trying to do then. Amd as right now. I may change and certainly amd is making some noise. What the especially zen three. But we have yet to see those those What milan based epoch. 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Let's talk about it okay. So my disappointment of the beginning was they didn't start out long enough ago for me. I i mean most of their stuff. I mean it started back in. What was it two thousand seven so you miss out on. Amdi being the first company to hit and break gigahertz barrier but what they did do was highlight a very interesting time where what we saw was amdi know. Sort of putting out and got. I'm looking for my cheat sheet here. Because i needed. It's been a long time since i've talked about penrhyn. So the you started from the back in two thousand one the pentium four two gigahertz Versus the xp so way way back in in the long will go years of two thousand and one where the penny four two gigahertz was taking on the athlon xp nineteen hundred plus. It was one core. We didn't refer to it as one corwin thread. Because while hyper threading wasn't a thing yet that was that was next year that was two thousand and two and at that point you you got your second generation of athlon. Xp so what we look at is the interesting times from two thousand one till about two thousand and six where it was a toss up and errors technica put goes some lovely graph sort of showing you. What's going on In in the market at the time and how relatively close to our i in fact you know if you look at some of them. In a lot of cases amdi was at the top. Then something happened when when the penny ford died. And the extreme edition came out. Intel sorta just started jumping up and they took a huge lead that Most people are probably very familiar with Because while it's it's sort of where you may well have started but you know then all of a sudden in the multi core which was interesting there there were times where you buy a quad core desktop and in single threaded performance on a benchmark. You get great results when you multi threaded. It's dropped and this is not because you know it was trying to do something more. It was just literally multi. Threading made things worse than the dark times came than about twenty thirteen. Just got fricken boring. You had piledriver arrive and not leave and you had until not really doing anything for a long time. And so you know josh and ryan in the old gang from twenty thirteen till twenty seventeen or so josh. There is nothing we're talking about. It stings came out that were new but they were to say they were. Iterative isn't even a nice. I it just. It was doldrums. Howdy sky likes. Did we see still namely between what two thousand nine and probably twenty eighteen is. The topic was was a quad core a threat and that was it and never moved back. I mean thirty seven seventy k. Still viable it's a sixty six hundred that i'm retiring the backup computer if i ever you know. Get a new chip But that things became exciting again. Now we're starting to see rising arrive and we're looking back. It wanted initially started. It was like this is going to be amazing. It's great right now but it's not gonna be it's not yet but then rising to you came out number like oh these guys know what they're doing. There's going to be something happening. And then at the very end of the charts as you can see here on just about every single one of them. You've got the rising three. The rise and five thousand family has jumped ahead of intel. And so you've gone from and this is one of my favorite things this chart here sort of see this is a change of the intel's fastest enthusiasts. Cpu this year to the one previous. How much better to get and so there was a huge jump back in the old days you knows three times as good and then it was pretty much the same except for intel originally starting their exit corum than bailing on it again And then you can see zan spike in zen and a good spike in zen three. Another beautiful spike. It's it's sort of shows you what's happened. You know for us that have been here for the long term over the years and gives us an idea of what we're going to see in the coming generations which is for the most part intel world is a very relatively flat slope and they slowly get better. They don't until recently tend to move their architecture and their process. The those were locked in stop whereas amd was the future bursts. Which would. then. You know. Peter out as the turtle kept going and again an a burst and again and burst. So josh i make be completely talking to my at this point but you know. Isn't that sort of the differences of intel has been slowly iterative league getting a little bit better not in an exciting way except for a couple of times whereas md there's disappointments and then there is just rushes of adrenaline as they they go nuts and produce something amazing. Yeah i mean that It's kind of the indicative of the workforce of amd. It's it's still a much smaller company. They make far less money. And so intel's able to invest engineers and even though i've heard some horror stories as of late especially with people who have been at the company longtime they get into the late forty s and suddenly. They're getting pushed out the door and they're they're losing a tremendous amount of of mindshare Just because of of the way that they do employee evaluations. It's really kind of brutal. It'd be interesting to see if that changes here with swan but differently during be time You know it was. It was slow steady improvements because they didn't have any competition. And why did they need to invest in all this stuff and hey we're going to be really aggressive with some of our process technology and then Yeah that that didn't work out multiple times. and so. it's it's it is interesting to see. That amdi is is providing some much needed impetus to the market and It really seems like Chip technology is is going to be the future going forward because if you look at just design all of the intel stuff is monolithic dies and you've got multiple technologies in there that may not fit well with process tack. And that's why until has their cpu designed guys work very very closely with process. So you can kind of iron out some of these things and you'll get a well performing overall Chip but now that you know ten nanometer is so delayed and there's issues with it that they they had to back port to fourteen nanometer with this next generation stuff. And it's it's going to be interesting to see but Yeah with with the md. It's like well you know. I'm going to work on these new cpu cores. I only have to work on this ship. And we can validate and we can do all these things all the stuff that maybe a little bit harder like memory controller. I o stuff sata pci which the signaling may not be as amendable to a smaller process. That is a little bit more. Energy-efficient may not be transistor switching will be the same. But i mean it. It's like you know it's mixed signals stuff is where Issues really rise on process that they can more focused on on maybe an older. Y'all less leaky transistor technology for these things. Because you don't really care. I mean they're very very cheap chips to make and you don't gain any performance by going to a small process technology so Yeah amd is is. They're they're hitting on all cylinders in they're executing and they're releasing product and they're gaining market share and it seems like that they continue to increase. The wafer starts a month for the products. And it's going to be nice to finally be able to fly by a five thousand series cebu again. One day. I bought it just still on back order Damn what do you guys thank us. but a little interesting internet history of it's kind of interesting to see the the the ebbs and flows of the two company especially you know two thousand Ninety eight through two thousand very important part for i mean going case six kept them in the in the in the game but k seven and it's riveting were really what allowed them to be true competitor for the young folks coming into it who in toes always had the performance crown. We're sticking to read because it's actually not true. We've we've gone back in time. Because there was a period what fifteen years ago were fewer enthusiasts. who had an nba system period. It wasn't just price performance. It was straight up performance leadership back then in two thousand. Three hundred and eight was at a disadvantage in terms of process technology. They were stuck at full node behind for pretty much all that time. Then intel designed was just so much better that the athlon sixty four versus pentium four was just i mean northwood was probably the last good pentium. Four where power was not an issue had good performance transistor counselors low. And then you know up. Came prescott aka press hot and They exploded Transistor counts and even though they had more features and technology in there. It ran extremely hot. It's still didn't solve a lot of the problems. With the the pentium four architecture and dame de just wipe the floor. Intel core two came in and smacked him upside the head in two thousand six pm. Three take but sort of the open. Three right three was the basis of the became war. As what maram. And i can't remember all codenames back. Amd rap talked about ipc. I was asked that was the that was the israeli design faction who who You know the mobile and decided. Hey we can't have these super long pipelines. Were getting killed latency. Yeah i mean. It'd be nice if we can get up to the clock speeds but so far process. Technology is not allowing us to hit these six to ten gigahertz. That are needed to be able to. You know hide some of the limitations of of the architecture and we obviously never saw that as what top four gigahertz with the pentium four which still stinking fast during the time in terms of clock speed but yeah performance was just not there all right moving along. Microsoft custom security chip. Well that sounds exciting. Because you trust all of your security to one company software and hardware. It takes security. The next level takes literally talking route of trust to which is just insane. That's a quote it's actually in their root of trust. Yeah think like a root certificate but even worse when it gets compromised. I thought while. I was reading this article. That my gosh this reminds me of. Oh what was that other manufacturer. Oh apple The t to chip. Oh yeah i remember that. They're having a issue with that in a security problem. That's not fixable because it's burned in silicon And then i get down to the last paragraph or something like that and and it was just like an just like the t to chip from the apple were from apple macs who are also suffering from a problem. Like that could probably happen. They're trying to go down the same or similar road. i mean. that's what apple uses it for two encryption and route base security and and anti tamper basically baked right into the motherboard. Whatever happened to palladium. That's accu name. I haven't heard in a long time. There's a reason another good Observation was just made that if they go ahead with this that Lennox is gonna get kicked in the teeth. Yes i have a very difficult time passing this. They had a really difficult. Time with the You efi at originally remember that. We'll secure boot. We'll go joe. Yeah yeah but microsoft is a little bit lennox addicted rate lately true. The they're really you know realizing that you know just much like this is not the top computer. Dis is not the irv lennox. But it's getting better. you can go out. You can buy a red hat instance on your. They are working directly into some of the server. Instances you can get so. I think they finally realized that no. This thing isn't going to go away. Nor should it. And maybe they should sort of accept it a little bit and stop trying to kill it off because it it ain't gonna die this thing that actually runs everything behind. The scenes isn't going away says so why not embrace it. They don't have to put all the time and effort into creating new operating systems to steal all your data. Besides when you open the sport ticket they say screw it up. She can talk to some of the community guy as they say in the military and embrace the suck right moving along android phone home question. Mark wound you know what now or would that be harm. Or i'm not i'm not i don't even remember what Is larry them promised. Way back in the day but it was do know something. It's coming possibly to a class. Action suit new because from the looks of the four separate cases in four separate states in the us have been accepted by judge and they will be appearing before the court. Someone decided to test a brand new galaxy seven. They signed into a google account. 'cause i mean good luck getting out of that when you setting up your phone and then just left it sitting. It reached out to google sixteen times an hour to the tune of about four point four megabytes every day. Let's just with nothing going now. If you're in north america you've got shitty data plants. It didn't care if there was wifi or if it was a self signal it still phoned home. Sixteen times an hour and shoot up your data plan. If you're unlimited data plan this this kind of sucks if they just left open and running in the background. It doubled to almost nine mega day. If you used it. Normally as a phone it went from meg's to about twelve max. So normal usage offer significantly less amount of data usage than just the phone being turned on. Now this is quite frustrating because this does cost money for people that are unlimited a plan. And there's not a bloody thing you can do about it stop it so of course the the argument is that while you signed up to google's terms of agreement and i'm sure you read every single word of it before you said except go the hell away but they actually had Some people look into it and see you know what is it. This traffic is doing and this is the really dirty part about it and we were talking earlier about. How websites need advertising money to to survive so a bunch of this traffic is preloaded at which never show you. Never see this on your phone. But the person who's paying google for their ads gets dinged as if it was view. Sweet nice yes ram yeah. Hey didn't the sky your hand for something that no one ever saw. didn't he. Have his data plan turned off as well suspect. So yeah so. It was like david plan off and he had like Either a wire shark or or some sort of a network snooping device to only like why is why these charges on my phone. When i turned off what the hell is doing. So that was where. This sort of. Candlelight yeah sorry. I didn't specify this. Wifi disabled cellphone disposers signal disabled. It's still chewing up your data plan so that's dirty one young. This is just dirty pool left right and center. And i mean if you get superman apple phone you'd find the same thing so yeah no. This is just ridiculous and and you know for us. we'd be charged for advertising. Do all of these phones the never saw at not only that but always the The stories about the guy turns to his wife and says you know we need some wicker furniture for next summer and then he goes to amazon and suddenly wicker furniture. Things started popping up in your ads that that has happened. That's what i feel. Like smashing the device. I really do something. S device smash yup nanny. How we big brothers not who we thought he would be all right so moving on star wars squadrons getting a big update if you actually purchased it. Which oddly enough. I did a couple of weeks ago because it's on sale for like twenty six bucks. And then i added some extra things and it was like twenty four dollars by the end and then for a brand new title. Twenty four bucks is pretty cheap. So what are we. What are we getting. I know that we're getting a b. wing fighter finally. Yeah yeah actually german enough he read this or if you knew about this but What they're doing is adding to stop being mad. Stop it you guys deal for you. Bought it for five bucks deluxe right canada canada not knowing well josh and i bought for twenty four bucks anyways origin. My origin installer still sucks. We can talk about that later. But anyway assuming i get it installed. Someday i'm gonna be downloading the next Couple weeks from now. The first update is going to include two new maps and it's basically part of the single player campaign which is going to be turned into multiplayer maps. So the i guess the foster haven and there's another map that's going to be turned into a multiplayer map and they they've reconfigured them so that It's appropriate to have a fleet battle on there as well as private battles as josh pointed out the b wing The updated viewing actually with a maneuverable cockpit and movable wings going to be added and the tide defender which is a A ship with shields from the empire side. That's going to be added as a fighter. The b wing as we added as a bomber. And they're gonna. They've already made a statement to say they're definitely gonna be balancing this out. Just as last don't have bomber from the last star wars with now avenue bombs and. Let's not let that they. The community was actually holding some sort of impromptu I don't want to say like customized five on five with they. Were trying to set it up so that there are the right people were getting together to shoot at each other for awhile. You know just like regular games when you can sort of have a private space where you have a team a couple teams get in there and and you know hack it out. The really wasn't that available inside squadrons. So they're making it so that you can have one. V one all the way up to five v five in private areas now so that's going to be included as well in the next two updates version three version for so they had promised. Ea promised we're not gonna update this. We're gonna put it out there and that's it and the game is what it is and we're not gonna updated. Will you know what the response from the community was. Pretty darn good. A lot of people bought it and including myself in josh. So they were like. Wow people are enjoying this Okay we'll update it will put in the things that you're asking for. And this was the handful of items that the community They serve gleaned from the community that wanted the most so they're adding them which is nice. It's nice yeah we take a look at and get away. Take another look star wars squadrons. Yeah now if i can just get the damn thing to install frigging origins. I just know yeah origin. I'm upset with it right now. The point oh gotcha right. We did have one other review this week. It is oddly enough from be quiet. It isn't it is a case review and we received the white case which i made a comment on to immediate comments One that this was a heavy Very heavy and it's a part of part of its charm is that it quiets down things within and wait actually helps that damps vibration and keep sound on the inside. The other thing was is that. Wow there's a lot of white panels on this. That's just begging for like art deco or you know some sort of a painting or something. I thought it'd be great canvas for artist friend to Do some damage to. And i invited people if that if they got this and they had Somebody do that that sentiment. I would attach it to the review but anyway They include some very nice They're pure wings to fans with it. It is a very generously sized case on the inside for all kinds of builds you can invert The building Building of the pc within it the back panel can be turned upside down for inverted Builds comes the fan controller. Which is Works very well to be quite branded. I'm not sure who's making it but Nice work it worked very well It has a pow in pass through on the fan controller in auto mode and that works. great I stuffed a next to ninety nine board with a ninety six bytes of ram in it and a and a two eighty a oh and A water cooled twenty eighty super and air flow and everything worked out. Good i think the important thing to note with this. That i mentioned just mentioned airflow with this particular cases be quiet has added the capacity to switch out the upper front panels with their typical solid noise-reducing panels with Panels that are perforated for additional. Airflow eight i think. Twenty twenty if you know from a case perspective had a lot of airflow going up either stopping it or or Or improving it From a case perspective anyway improving it so they provide these additional panels and that definitely helped cooling in mind testing. I saw up to almost nine c. of a percent fan cooling improvement between Solid case and a perforated case or the case with the The filters instead noise of course was way up on that But cooling very effective someone suggested that i try to Noise normalize it and just kind of see where the heat went then That would have taken quite a lot more time. Unfortunately more time than i had set aside for doing the case review on this one but good idea all the same. I did run it at one hundred percent to see how that worked out. I gave it the award because it was so configura. Bubble and Had a lot of potential from and workability all panels would come off Very easy to work in with water. Cooled plenty of room. Construction was very high quality. Decent metal nicely painted panels were Very nicely attached to list the way they popped on and off Front included Room underneath only had a couple of quibbles with a wiring layout where i had to pass some things through A couple issues with you got to be careful not scratching it And that was that not a lot Was to complain about here. It's big and heavy. How much how much discussed it with without the tempered. Glass side panel. It's a little bit pricey hundred sixty with tempered. Glass side panel. I think it was one seventy if you check my numbers on that. I think i got that up at the top So yeah a little bit expensive. But it is a high quality case and german which i also made mention of and understood where they were coming from. I was excited just because it has the configuration panels. Like you said he can make it an airflow case or you can keep it silent case and you get them both in one so to me one fifty nine for both. Especially if you're buying this if you're going all out on the silence you're going to want the solid side panel anyway because it has the works cereal in it. Yeah and it does work and then if you wanna pay ten dollars more and get the tempered glass. You're probably going to run it as an airflow case. at least i would hope because otherwise. You're just you're not getting the noise reduction benefit as much and you still not getting the lower temps and i made mention it. That we don't have the panel but i had guests that you would trade some noise reduction for the t g i would personally get t g and then open it up with the airflow but you know i. I like to look at the airflow. I think it looks more attractive as style. That's just me but again if you're looking for maybe doing audio production work I wouldn't blame somebody for keeping it buttoned up and set aside. It would be a great case in a room that you needed to have a pc a powerful pc. That didn't put out a lot of a lot of noise and it was definitely up to the task of doing that. It will run hotter of course You'd have to probably tune your components to be Maybe a little down tuning maybe to make sure that she don't need that airflow If you have a particularly powerful pc but you know the you could do that I and it gives you the opportunity to really keep it quiet and it's also available in black so if you just what. Donald thick quiet case kind of like the old dantec cases for silence. No it's it's not cheap but it's a it looks like a problem with that. No optical drive. Oh they've let that go completely. There's no practical this ad that on their cases. Hey definitely Show that shot that. I have with all the ram modules on it too. So because that's a really good so scroll down there last week. We did this outrageous. You know semi serious. Look at your Plan that sets at this time. No that's not true. Scroll up a little bit. Please and literally keep going and i prefaced it keep going a little bit more scrolling up keep going here we got claws subtle right yes. Three the text above this picture says be quiet. I'm reading the words. Well no no. It's a text on the page. You gotta you gotta image close. Close at the address bar okay. You're you're really hosing. The year pause for zen. At least clinton in this though you listen listen no stop listens. You're you're scrolled back up back up. Please arrested furious. Scroll for a few seconds to appreciate this picture with a plant. So that is your gathered. Pause gotten all crunchy from the crunchy. Hey one of the comments. That i got was. Hey we have. We have like some dry ice fog machine and a plan that hey you know what. That's what i said. I said it was big ted. That's the next roldan's here. Forget the matic chance on the smoke machine. Sorry even you know what time it is time it is. It's time for pc part picker Of the week the next of the week dammit danny maker. Valuable resource oblique dammit. That we all use it is. I'll go first. Because i'm i. You know the samsung nine. Seventy ebo drives have been dropping precipitously so for two fifty and you can sometimes get this on sale and obviously right. now it's back ordered the dirty buggers but this is a great gaming for not huge amount of money and you know samsung always says a really good performance across the board in the nine seventy yvo is is certainly part of that So yeah to tara who thought two terabytes for two hundred fifty bucks from samsung derek. Click on the one terabyte. Only one forty nine. Yeah so if you think about it. It should be three hundred dollars. So you're you're the more you buy the less you pay. yeah anyway. who's next that would be jeremias. Don't look at that. Wow we got there. Oh that's an anti pd to airflow. Because while i don't really care about sound because we're position that's one. I had to buy the to knock joyous and another three in the front so it comes four. It is on sale right now at. This is tempered glass by the way. I don't tend to buy timber glass except was cheaper than the solid side panel. I in so of course. I went for it and that right there would be where my fries and three would be and that right there would be three hundred x t would be like five fifty six hundred k. Yes that's but let's see hundred ex. Yeah he had a fifty eight hundred seventy five now. It is literally cheap as chips so up here in candidate. Seventy five bucks down in the states. It's just under sixty. I think with tempered glass. So if you don't particularly care about You know it's. It's all one hundred and forty millimeter. Fan was not going to be loud. But it's going to be present and it. Doesn come with fran controller. It just comes with a y splitter so those four plans are not p wm. There is no usb c on it If that really does make a matter to you but at the price it is ridiculously good for a system that you know is gonna have a lot of high powered components in it and you don't wanna have to deal with thermal throttling and for the most part you can't be to play around with water going 'cause it will fit some ridiculously sized radiators on it as well. I'm not seeing any obstacle drive. Four twenty or twenty read in there. I don't know very upset that i had to give up so that only one of my systems are going to have an operating optical drive on it but for the price it was like. I'm not really wanting to pay an extra thirty bucks for that. Five in quarterback pretty handsome looking case for fifty nine bucks. It's sort of like what the be quiet the brett reviewed except it's the walmart model and tech would appreciate called the walmart model. But yes i think they aim for him to cut some things that advertise remember was. I gave it away for free right there. Do you remember when they hired that automotive design company and created that ridiculous bmw level ten and then there was another one that i got and reviewed actually drove down to the office and we did a video on. And i'm sure. Got dozens of us ravens silverstone. This this was now. It was suicide sane signature case the s two. I think dollars. no no. we're talking into weird one off anti case. I still have it in my attic. And it's so big. I was thinking about the thermal take. One was the bmw designed group going to find this. Now this is looking at watch this for. You could always send you the be quite case will take a four twenty. Just want to say that right up front. Speaking of wilson. It's you on this case given its size and weight is probably about eighty dollars. You can just by case. It's big heavy anyway. All right bret but what is right. I picked aid infrared. Temperature gun a couple of actually. Because they're just so darn useful for of doing spot checks inside of Pc builds to say you know. How does this. How does that getting the room temperature. Like picking it off the wall the floor or whatever is just much faster reacting. I think everybody should own one. Because don't touch stuff if it's hot and you can't tell by looking at it so this is the This is my cheap pick. I think yeah that breaking news. What own josh. Walrath i got. Were like one thousand dollars. This is for cooking yeah. Cpu test testing. Yeah man yeah. It's all my cpa. Say you're fine whatever. Yeah so. I have very similar as well and i just it extremely useful and anybody who works with the stuff that not sure how hot it is or they want to do some some interesting Knowledge learning about where their pc hot spots are there since twenty bucks for the cheap one. And if he's click the next link over. I actually put in one that if like if you don't want to buy the chinese eum one while they're all made in china probably the next one over is One from klein tools without as quite as many buttons But name-brand klein is a very good tool brand name and i think that one is forty. So yeah you have no excuse. Go get one of these cheapest chips thirty bucks thirty bucks. Yeah way two surprisingly accurate so ashton. Do you have a pick or are you just a slight slumming it this this week does it have a celsius mode on it by the way yes. Yes back and forth fahrenheit celsius hey muted can't hear a damn thing you're saying i clicked my audio was saying was. I can't even switch video properly this week. So i can't. I mean i was somebody in discord earlier said. Hey what's your audible pick. I recommend the ultimate history video games by steven l kent. It's a very interesting comprehensive. Look at video games from the from their inception all the way to you know to thousands console wars so. Check that out if you're looking for a book to listen to. We are not sponsored by audible. Somehow somehow end end your hardware. Pick is a stream tech. Yeah so. I can actually see like i would put a picture of each person's face on it like talking instead of mouse and then close recommendations larger buttons. We can dump might make you feel better. Yeah i will just have to screenshot what i'm seeing and show people. How terrible interfaces. But most people use key commands or stream deck or something. So i can't really complain. I'm using the mouse. Which is the archaic method of controlling video. Can somehow thank you for watching. Maybe we'll do it again sometime.

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Oh No Intel!! NOT AGAIN?? - WAN Show July 24, 2020

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Oh No Intel!! NOT AGAIN?? - WAN Show July 24, 2020

"What is up? My Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the one and only one show. We've got a fantastic show for you. Guys say actually got a lot to cram into the show Intel just announced. Seven nanometer delays I mean they're barely shipping ten nanometer. And now they're talking about delays on seventy holy smokes. They lost sixteen percent of their stock value. Holy Sh- Nike's. In other news. At and T. has apparently been scaring customers into buying new phones. Tactic Yeah, what does that? Even what does that even mean? It's a very high level movement. High Level Business Decisions Freak out your customers. Good move. invidia considers acquiring arm, which could be a very interesting like chess against some other companies and a over a thousand databases have been nuked, just deleted entirely with the only calling card remaining afterwards, just being meow. Out Kitty! Got Claws. All Right? Let's roll that Intros. This should be a good one. I mean meanwhile apple sued for refusing to help I tunes gift cards, scam victims, and there's so much to work through here today, so let's not waste any more time. Apparently I'm really quiet. I call lies called lies on that. Okay. Go ahead hit me. One two three four. Yeah, your touch quiet. Let me! See how I can fix that. Maybe I could do this her. All right me again luke. Testing Oh yeah, you're very loud very loud now. Nobody will complain about your quietness at this point in time. All right so the original poster on the forum of the Intel seven nanometers delays, story is illegal water and also vegetable stew. This is real rough during their Q.. Two twenty twenty earnings call this week. Intel announced that it has now delayed the rollout of seven nanometer. CPU's by six months relative to their previously planned release date. Yields for their seven nanometer process are now twelve months behind the company's internal targets so I guess that means they must have had like a six month buffer compared their for their public release versus their internal targets, and they have chewed through all of it, and then some, and if you guys recall part of Intel story around the ten nanometer delays was hey, guys, here's the plan. We're GONNA fast. Track seven nanometer so that you know. This ten nanometer delay won't happen so much. We're just GONNA. Kinda going to kind of move move past it. Not so much now both ten and seven nanometer have been delayed substantially, so they're saying now that they're seven nanometer soup will not debut on the market until late, twenty, twenty, two or early, twenty, twenty three. Here's the craziest part Luke. Did you ever think you would live to see the day? That Intel would consider using a third party found foundry, no third party foundry I'm you're exactly where you're going with that and no, not at all. That is the most surprising part of this whole conversation as as the hold on hold on. I think it was Jerry Sanders the. Where's that quote? Real men have fabs. Was? What Jerry Jerry Sanders. Founder Jerry Sanders lobbed against rivals now obviously. Little. David Yeah obviously. AMD doesn't use their own foundries anymore. so and Jerry Jerry Sanders to be clear was the founder of amd not until Jerry Sanders third? But I think Intel has definitely still taken that approach and yeah, here we are. The contingency plan is to use third party boundaries. HAW! Yeah I still feel like term. They'll move back away from it I feel like it's a we are. We have been falling, and we are gaining speed in a downward direction, and we need something to try to swoop us back up, and I fit in. I think once they stopped just. Like said gaining speed in a down direction like they have been for years at this point. Can I just say I love that gaining speed in a downward direction? They'll move back to just their own fabs eventually, but it might be quite a while so. Well as long as they don't have process leadership. What else are they supposed to do? They have to stay competitive so allegedly. They're going to be using third party. Foundries for the triplets or tiles in their forthcoming seven nanometer. GP's called Ponte Vecchio. What language that is so hopefully? I didn't butcher the accent too bad, and then there I seven nanometer servers. CPA's granite rapids are now supposed to arrive in twenty twenty three. That's a year late. Meanwhile, AMD's roadmap outlines five nanometer Genoa processors coming before the end of twenty, twenty two I. Do want to interrupt this broadcast to bring you a bit of a reality Flash. Just because one manufacturer says this is our seven nanometer process, and another says this is our five nanometer process does not necessarily mean. That five nanometer process actually has greater transistor density than the seven nanometer one, so if you look I mean really I would love to see us transition just to transistor density as opposed to some arbitrary measurement. We did a really great tech quickey probably about a couple of months ago now that went through the different methods. That chip manufacturers have used to measure. How many nanometers processor is like it used to be. It was just the gate length, but then. Then what happened was it was able to shrink more than other essential features of the transistor, and so even though you had these much smaller gates, the actual transistor density on the silicon was not hire, so they switched to well okay. Now let's measure it this way, so it's not like this sort of fixed way of of of of measuring the density of a chip by I've really wished that everyone would use something kind of similar, but to be clear. Intel ain't leading the pack anymore. However, you'll want to measure it if this if this comes to fruition and it looks like investors have reacted to that news I mean this is from July twenty fourth one thirty two. This is from four hours ago and they had already dropped sixteen percent today. I'm just going to have a look at Intel stock. Now native sixteen percent. Okay, so it looks like It's Hasn't it closed for the day I can never remember when it closes. Yeah, it's A. It's an after hours trading. Apparently, it's up a touch, but it still. Eva Good look for Intel right now. Because the thing, too is Intel's trying to transition to be you know we want to be more than just a CPU company right like they wanNA. Be a a semiconductor company while fun fact, if you WANNA, be a semiconductor company, not just to see CPU company still need cutting edge, you know. Manufacturing. Capabilities, so that's that's real. That's real. Right there right now. And not not that it's like super important with the current conversation. Ponte Vecchio which I am one hundred percent certain just butchered is a bridge in Italy. Thank you for that. Yeah I knows. At least those people who are clever enough to watch the wind show every week, they no. Big Brain all right so Intel's I. Seven nanometer processors are now scheduled to debut for either laptops or desktops in twenty twenty one q two. Oh, man, this is going to be wrong like. If if you're one of the people who still cheering for Intel. Man, when when zen three hits later this year, amd meanwhile has confirmed yet again. those rumors that were delaying than three, not true. We are launching three this year. Zen three is rumored to have a significant performance uplift compared to then to. I don't know what they're gonNA, do they? They might start to do some crazy stuff you know. Yeah like to be clear evens then three. It's not like. Intel isn't still going to have a competitive performing product where they're gonNA run into. Trouble is their costs because AMD chip lit? Design is so economical not to mention that if amd gets a note ahead of them. It's not just going to be more economical because templates it could be more economical just because the dye sizes can be so much smaller like it's boy, is it? Has that ever GonNa be a rough rough, Freakin ride like. I don't even know. What would you do okay? Look I know too much so I can't speculate. But you can. What would you do if you're Intel and you're like? Your cost is higher than your competitor and you are slightly behind. You know that's what I'm expecting. When Zen three launches I'm expecting them to be slightly behind in rob performance with significantly worse power consumption, therefore heat output. What do you do? I. Don't know they're in such a rough spot. I think. Personally that I would almost sit on my laurels. Pick a few chips try to find a way to make them as cheaply as possible. Make them cheaper on the market. And look for wins with those chips like okay, this chip is. GonNa be like the best for ninety five percent of or ninety nine percent. If we're being honest. All gamers. This interesting to be the best for like ninety nine percent of office users. They're not. They're not the most fancy. Maybe it's a four core. Most Games still don't really care be on. But go go value. Yeah the thing. That and winning like Zen, four is going to shop, and you're still gonNA have nothing. Like amd. that. Like. What if? Trump's their price. We've got. They've got the margin to work with. Yeah totally could. But I think. At the same time. Hopefully like winning hearts and minds, which is something until has not done. For a long time and them acting I and making amd drop their price. Might do that instead of them. Being the ones that are like. Yup are extreme edition costs five hundred bucks more now. Get wrecked. Here's my problem. It wrecked new. You know what? No? No, no I. Don't I don't think they have the balls there. You heard it here first I don't think they have the stones and you know why. I think there well I don't know maybe maybe the attitude changes today. Maybe the milk is treated as spilt at this point. Since the stock, the stock price took the head already anyway but. Now the disconnected executives as far as I can tell Maybe they got a reality check here. Maybe they just felt it in their wallets might actually pay more. Yeah, maybe they might do something, but here's my problem because Intel new. They already knew when they launched Z. for ninety. There's no way that executives hadn't already been briefed on that. Seven nanometer had problems like finding out in earnings call. People at Intel aren't hearing this for the first time unless they're completely different business unit like the chip guys new. So why would it be then if they knew that they had nothing to fight amd with for the next eighteen months at least like hold on a second seven nanometers see pews Blah Blah hold on a second Wait a minute. Somebody would not debut. Okay looks like we've got a couple of different dates in in our notes here one of them says I seven processors, twenty, twenty, one q two, and another one, says late, twenty, twenty, two, or early, twenty twenty three. That sounds more like it so anyway. They knew they have. They knew they have nothing for two years right. So why do they go and pull consumer? Unfriendly moves like limiting the maximum memory speed on the value chipsets. If. The plan was to say okay. We need to be. We need to win over consumers by being consumer-friendly, because the thing is Intel still. Does not seem like the plan. But currently at all need league. I, know what I would do, though not what I think Intel would do. Can I. Can we make better bracelet? L., do. And it's just like the evil version. It's not even evil. It's just like it's like I you know. It's the low I she it's. been so many moves. For so long I really wish there was a follow I've I've actually mentioned this on on Wayne show a couple. Times ahead had a conversation with someone at Intel. And they asked me like. How I thought they were doing in a bunch of different realms, they were talking about like processors for cloud compute, which is a very different conversation than processors for gaming. Some insight into that to float plane. And all this other kind of stuff is a really good conversation and they're like. Yeah, we should follow up on this I'd like to hear more like honest. Answers to these questions and I think more people in the company need them. And I was like yeah, and then there was just dead air. But, that's their problem is they have so many people there that care so much and and. Clearly did care. Yeah, probably internally was shut down in some way, so there was like no I. Don't even blame them for not really following up. There was probably no point I got the funniest damn from one doctor. You know Doctor Right. Of, course, the one and only doctor. He goes so. He was clearly watching my my recent rant video because he goes. Quote Stop Listening to bean counters and quote new line promotes. CFO CEO laughing emoji. I know there's a really good quote. Let me see if I can find it really quick. It just made me laugh so hard like it's not. In doesn't message me that much, because he and I were in different time zones and like. I don't know we're. We're not very rarely working on like the same project at the same time. That would give us cause for collaboration or whatever there's no trade shows this year, so we can't go get Raum in the middle of the night or whatever? Don't. Miss the most for sure. We don't talk that much, but like out of out of every time we've talked that is the hardest I have ever laughed when I got that just out of nowhere in the middle of the afternoon I'm like yeah, pretty much. Pretty interesting idea should host like a round table. Alive like a livestream is just like a round table of tech mine. Tech Let. Heck minds, but like say A. Zoom meeting round table of tech minds. I mean that's kind of what the wind show was supposed to be with guests and stuff. We could try and do that again. Do you want to bring guests on the show again? I'd be interested. We're not having these like. Internal among tech people conversations because we're not going to these shows and having those ramen meetings, yeah! Describe it so I think that could be pretty cool. Oh, people are asking which Ian Ian is doctor Dr Ian Countries from a non tech, and also I really think he needs to rename this. I don't think it's great branding, but. He's more. He's more of like attack. Mindless of like a branding mind I suppose his Youtube Channel is tech. Attack Potato. He recently leveled up his thumbnail game, and he went from doing like eight hundred views video to like eight thousand views video man. He's. They all they all given in the end. Do you see. What was it snazzy doing sponsored vacuum videos now so grain. The squad everybody falls. I was just the first, and so I WANNA get through this just before we. Mentioned the promote CFO. CEO position laughed. So whether you like, what is it quote? MEAL UNMASKS THAT I've always really liked. The. Path to the CEO's office should not be through the CFO's office and it should not be through the marketing department. It needs to be through engineering and design. Hundred percent. Especially in that type of company I'm sure there's some companies were like. No, it's literally just a marketing company. Should not necessarily be that way. If you're a agency, you should have a marketer, but I think that's what he means though is whoever is sitting in the CEO's office should have the expertise that. Or should have expertise in that company's core business and Tesla I. don't care what kind of engineer you put in the CEO's Office Software Engineer Harbor Engineer. You could make the argument either way for what kind of company they are a software or hardware company. They're both, so I don't care what kind of engineer it is, but it should absolutely I mean they literally as a policy, don't market. I mean they market, but not in not in the conventional sense. In very different ways. Yes, so putting putting some some NBA. FRIGGING NBA mill graduate in there. Who all they know how to do is pump the stock price that that's not how you build. A good fundamental business. You have to actually understand what you're doing, so if you work at some creative agency shirt, you could have a marketing person sitting in the CEO's office. Why not because that's literally all you do? If you're a youtube company like we are, you should have someone who actually lives and breathes it like I. Remember talking to was actually talking to my wife about this I was like well. If I die, you know what's the plan and she's like I. Feel like I would have a really hard time. Time, you know fulfilling those CEO duties because there's things that you know you get your hands dirty with that. I haven't touched and you've been doing it for twelve years and I'm like yeah, but we need to do something so I'm not gonna I'm not GonNa talk about the plan. There is a plan I. don't like dwelling on it too much because you know, it's like every time I talk about like wills and succession, and all that kind of stuff. It makes me down so I. Don't want to do that, but. These are the kinds of conversations we've had to have, and these are the sorts of things that we've had to be aware of is that you have to fundamentally understand? All aspects of the business. If you want to be CEO and if you don't get engineering, you shouldn't be the CEO of Intel I. Don't know if they're CFO. Has Some engineering experience that I'm? Not Privy to I would imagine that being at a company like Intel. You'd pick up a finger to here and there I mean I've learned more about cameras and film than I could ever cared to know just hanging out with Brandon all day. You're a small company, though and you hang out with Brennan Day and I've heard stories about in. That would lead me to believe that that might not be the case, yes. Like, I won't, I won't name them I think I've told the story on the windshield before, but prominent streamer I remember having a conversation with person. Where they were asked last minute to go give a presentation, do you? You've heard the story of directly from the source, right? Wonderful Guy to wonderful wonderful guys. Can you tell the story so I can take a couple more bites noodles here. I think I can tell it accurately, so he was he was asked to. Go to Intel and have a meeting with Intel. Sea Level Employees, so chief of whatever. Type Employees and explain to them. Why either. Product is actually like why gamers even care at all. Because they didn't know. And I think people internally at the company. Or like frustrated with trying to explain it for so long, so they tried to hire an outside source to come and explain it and this far as my understanding, it goes like. Yeah, did a pretty good job and thinks he did a pretty good job, but doesn't really think that they took anything away from the best part is he told me that at one point one of them kind of put their hand up interrupted like. So. You're saying that like this game streaming lake, the higher performance of our product. You're using the better. And he's like yes. Forgot that part? That's the. That's the best part that's the best part of the story. and. Oh yeah okay. Yeah. Youtube chats like Bob. Swan is a careers. Hold on a career and a career CFO with an MBA education. All right well there you go, see I would hope I would hope that at a company like Intel you would try to you. Try to spend enough time talking to engineers that you could at least understand. Their challenges and their pain points. What makes them sick? What makes them talk? You gotTA. Talk to them to see what makes them tick. That's funny. Funny Guy Anyway. And, that's something that you can do you can do. As an executive that has an education in another space, but you have to force yourself to do it. You can't just bare yourself financials all day. The good news is you know public company? They have to file these earnings reports, and all that eventually if they if they don't invest in the. Of the business, which is just so you're aware if you're watching making great processors If you don't invest in the fundamentals of the business, it will eventually by you because you have to admit that things are not going well. I don't know. Now. Says the part of the problem too is when you have those like super segmented things like to bring up the Brandon example which I think is pretty good example. You're saying you're you. Exist around Brandon long enough and you're just GonNa know things about cameras totally and you're gonNA. Start to care about them. Because like when you're when you're around, someone that that that is that passionate about effectively anything. You're probably going to get some of that. You can't get him to shut up. Yeah and he'll be so driven about it that you'll see some article about something, and you'll see like what he was talking about mentioned in the article and suddenly used to carry an. Understanding. Enthusiasm Passion infectious absolutely and when you're hold up. As the CEO with all your marketing and CFO buddies in some office playing office, Gulf. Time but whatever I have no idea i. don't know what that life is like, but when you do that, you're around other people that are passionate about just like marketing and money. And not be the engineering and the. Really insane technologies that go into this stuff. You like need that around you? Because that influences, your leadership, can, can we? Can we just talk about golf for a minute? Like can I okay here's a golf hot? Take right and to be clear. I respect the athleticism of golf. You know like watching golf highlights is probably more mind-blowing to me than like football highlights to be honest with you like when I watched them sink a chip in from like seventy yards away, and literally like the flag, still in the whole words in curves and does. Like literally, the flag is like in the whole still because they're so far away, they needed to see the whole and they get it in the hole and I'm like how is that even possible like I? Could hit that ball. I could have a million monkeys with a million Gulf clubs for a million years, and none of them would ever get the ball in the hole like that. It's amazing. It's incredible. But recreational Gulf can I just come out here and say that it appears to be designed to be as. Astronomical, a waste of time as possible. I, think I think I was I, was watching actually. Nothing the like character player and commentator Janet Personality Person. Great Dude I I very very rarely on Instagram, but I went on instagram because I got a notification that a couple of my buddies had posted things like really friends and I clicked on. It brought me right away to his story and he was out golfing. And I flipped through it pretty quickly, and it was stunning there on the coast speeds golf along the coast, and he just looked really relaxed, and he kept on mentioning about how like the scenery was great, and it just seemed like it was almost like a spa day. As, far as I, can tell the point of golf. is to say hey, look at me. It's the middle of the afternoon, and I have nowhere else to be an nothing better to do then spending my time accomplishing quite literally absolutely nothing and get this I paying ten times more for the privilege per year than you make in ten. I as far as I can tell, that's the whole point of golf. It's the ultimate flex. Some like weird side thought experiment. Thing that I've tried to figure out or A very long time is why. Basically every single US president has been. Obsessed. With spending as much time golfing as they can't. Okay so I've heard some theories about that I've heard some eary's, but there from like kind of crazy people, so I'm not sure how much credence to get them. One theory I heard that sounded somewhat reasonable was that it's all about betting on golf. So. That's the main one I've heard too yeah. Get like a lobbyist type to go golfing with you. And then you bet on it, and they throw the game, and then suddenly it's not like campaign funds. It was warm of gambling, and it gets like just shoved under the rug. I just yeah I. Don't I don't I don't know if I believe that to necessarily be true as far as I can tell once you've been president a lot of it is about doing talks, and like doing the whole speaking tour thing after the fact. Because you're worth like a quarter million to half a million dollars just to show up and talk. Okay. I don't know like you're never gonNa be winding wanting for money again. Someone, said skiing is more expensive, not really not close. It can be pretty bad if you're if you're like getting a cabin up somewhere like whistler. For extended periods by that logic. You could have a cabin at some place where there's a golf course you enjoy. So it's it's not really any different, and like the cost and remember to. I'm not talking going on some like Roddy Slake. Public Golf Course when I talk about the price I'm talking about you. Are you have to be a member of the club already just to have the privilege of paying for a time, and those places are not cheap. Golf courses around us where you can go golfing for really cheap there also twenty bucks or whatever I think in the eyes of golfers, just complete junk. Necessarily know why, but. Your. Neck and neck made a point of messaging me to say golf courses are usually attached to five star hotels. Heck of a lot more expensive than a cabin. Yeah, so there's that. and. Let's talk equipment. Okay, let's talk equipment. We're going off on lake a total frigging tangent here. Some the load up golf town is the only Gulf store that I'm aware of because there's one at aquarium center mall so skiing all right? You can easily. You can easily spend a grand okay. You can spend a grand on skis all right you can spend. Smoking you can spend two hundred and fifty dollars on gloves like you can make a really amazing top of the line snowboards like seven hundred like you can, you can spend. You can get fashionable about your winter where you can spend five thousand dollars or whatever you want on your outfit, but here's the thing. With Golf, the remember talking like designer like you go on, if Louis Vitton or whatever? It's like the one luxury grant. Have Years. Did Louis Vuitton solicitude? Okay? You look that up well. I have a looking. Okay so meanwhile engulf land. One Club is going to set you back. Seven hundred bucks. Don't forget you need a whole bag of them, and you don't want to be that peasant. Peasant Garbage town plebiscite. Course that's got like you know the kit. That's the equivalent of showing up on a job site with a riot. OBE- drill. You know you don't do that, right? You WanNa be like the ball or whatever so you've. You've got this entire bag. Oh, meanwhile, hold on! How much does the Gulf Beg Cost Right? Begs in carts. So. Just to interject. Yeah, there is a shot up. There is a patch ski jacket. It's called patch ski jacket I think by Patch. They mean it looks like the most normal jacket in the world, and then it has a Louis Vitton patch on the side of it that. And there's no listed price. You have to call for an inquiry. Okay high fashion. Meanwhile this is great. I was trying to see if Louis Vuitton had a golf bags so that there was something equally stupid that you could invest in on the side, and fortunately or unfortunately I'm not sure which I found something even dumber. This is the Andrews Gulf Kit okay. And initially I thought I was on a golf bag because. Hold on, hold on. Just chill chill. Okay, just chill I thought it was looking on a bed. 'cause the price is a thousand dollars. It turns out. All it holds is loops. That's the wrong thing it turns out. All it holds is a few balls and a couple of teas. So No, you do not in fact. Get a golf bag. You get a golf. Bag Begi. Oh my God. Oh level of consumerism just like consults me. I think too late turns out. They do have golf bags here they are. There you go, so these are going to cost you anywhere from twelve to thirteen thousand dollars. So There you go bigger and to be clear. I'm not singling out Louis Vuitton. There's other equally ridiculous There's other equally ridiculous brands that charge way too much for stuff. someone of the chance of my ball bag is worth way more than thousand. Oh. We more than a thousand. Wait there. Oh, no, he! Okay well whatever? The point is not skiing is not more expensive than golf. Because Golf is literally designed to show how much money and how much time you can waste, because you have so much money and yet you don't have to work, so you have all the time in the world to spend chatting it up on the golf course in the club or whatever the case may be So there you go, that's That's my heartache. That's why you should spend time talking to your engineers instead of spending time playing golf. there. You Go I. Don't know if Bob Swan Plays Golf We could find out easily enough with Google. I would. Feel like that money. Would you? Would you bet money on it? I, just it's just so like pervasive in that community anyone with dislike. Way Too. Many millions probably seems to play golf I can't find. I can't find anything about golf. Why would you know though like? I duNno, it's not on here. It's not on here. There's no mention whatsoever. He's not like President like I. Don't I. Don't think people are GonNa like. Follow him around in that way you know. I think we would still know he's enough of a public. He's enough of a public figure that we'd probably know a fair bit. A fair bit about is about his habits. Anyway. Let's move on for now. this is other big news in video allegedly is considering acquiring arm so this is according to reporting by Bloomberg. INVIDIA has approached southbank arms parent company, regarding a possible takeover deal, although other bidders may emerge as well Softbank purchased arm holdings in two thousand, sixteen for thirty, two billion, which has been sort of SORTA doesn't look like a great deal at this point. I think they're doing about three hundred million in profit per year at the moment, which means you're thirty two billions gonNA. Take you an awful long time to make back if they even want to get what they paid for it. And they're hoping to either earn a return on the investment by publicly listing arm, or by selling it to the highest bidder. They had a softening county from. Okay. So. There are some challenges here because there's definitely a lot of firms that might say. Oh, wow, sure, be nice to own arm. Instead of just licensing, the technology the initial reaction from a lot of people. Online was like Oh. You know. Maybe apple should just acquire arm. But that would be a regulatory nightmare. I mean for apple own the licensor. Of the technology that is fundamental to the survival of. I mean okay, which of Apple's competitors? Would not consider. Their arm licensed to be essential to survival at this point in time. Basically everyone and I suspect it was coming down to illegal thing. They would find a way to claim that regardless. You know! So that rules out apple realistically. That rules though I mean really anyone else like that, so that rules out your Samsung's and while ways of the world now if arm. Was a Chinese company. There'd be nothing that would prevent the Chinese government from just kind of coming in and saying Oh. Yeah, sure it while you can acquire arm, and then you know, take that. The West but arm would still be subject to Regulators in the UK because that is where they're based, so there's no way that a Western power. The the UK is going to say Oh. Yeah, sure China Why don't you just have all the intellectual property, so don't see. Don't see that happening. INVIDIA. was pitched as one that might try to make a play so invidia definitely utilize technology, but they're not. Very Nice Luke by the way very nice lt store dot com, the big water bottles are selling like crazy right now. Guys Awesome, so the sea shipment is not arriving for a few more weeks We had a big uptick in order during last dream and I think we're probably going to be out of stock of some of the more popular colors within the next few days to a week. So if you guys WanNa, make sure you get the color that you want. I would definitely go to the store dot. com get an order in for the forty ounce water bottle. Maybe grab a self. Put here. Whatever while you're at it it's been. It's infectious in my house. Literally. Everyone here uses one daily Nice Nice. It's yeah, it's the right size now. We should have done a bigger one earlier. We definitely showed the little ones to us a place. In your bike like in your water bottle holder whatever? On the go, but the big one like I only take the big one I play badminton stuff now it's it's a huge difference. Anyway so invidia does license harm technology. They use it for their like self driving car platform stuff like that. the use it in their switch chip. But they also don't license it in any spaces where they are directly competing with customers at least not in a significant way, so if I'm apple, I'm not real stoked on nvidia acquiring arm those to do not exactly have great relationship, but the good news is that Apple's license arm does offer a perpetual license for their offer. Their instruction set so apple has a perpetual one for that. They're already using their own custom silicon, so they don't even just use arms. You know standard cortex cores, or anything like that, so it probably makes no difference to them whatsoever going forward. You. Know what who owns arm. So that was that was sort of some of the back and forth that was going on over this deal I I honestly just don't know I. Don't know I kind of. Don't really know why anyone would want it like if you're if the revenue is so low, compared to what Softbank is probably expecting to get for it, how could it be? How could it be worthwhile unless you see arm? You know kind of going to the moon in the next five years, but they're going to be under significant pressure from risk five like if anything. Are might have peaked. Peak peak arm, you know. Yeah. Risk five will be interesting. If it. Really does pop off But I think I think controlling that space has value. You can always change licensing fees as well. Like they could make it profitable in like Somewhat predatory way, but if they tried to do that, they put themselves at much greater risk of. Being overtaken by risk five as it is, if the licensing stays inexpensive, and there's just no reason to use anything other than arm. Will they maintain their position. Speaking of there'd be a really really long term play, but I guess. If you. Tried to maintain that until the point where risk five maybe gets outpaced. Then you can increase rates later, but that's really long term play. Says you're missing the whole point of golf. I do it with buddies to have a good time while sharing a couple beers. My Bro- does to relax from anxiety. That's basically what I said. It's a waste of time. And to be clear like you know by that logic laxed. Tight its if they suffer from from rather severe anxiety, relaxing is not a wasted shirt. How about this? It's not productive. there. What if? What if every thanks US less productive than if you would have just relaxed and then not add the anxiety. Yes, so that's fine. You could have a net benefit from it I'm not saying there's no health or psychological benefits to. It already said it was fun. It's just. There are much more. Efficient ways to have fun as well. That's all that's all was all us all I'm GONNA. I'M GONNA. Say All I'm going to say about it. I'm not I'm not getting drawn back into this. What I am getting drawn back into this message from our sponsor back ladies Nice. Back. Blaze is simple, okay? Unlimited cloud backup from accent PC's for just six dollars a month. Restored over thirty five billion files, and you could back up Docs. Music videos drawings projects all the data whatever you want, you can restore your files anywhere by directly downloading them through the web using their APP, or you can even restore by mail. They will put all your falls on hard drive. 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Figured out the exact viewing order of every single to the second. Part of every single movie in the Marvel, Mc you and I realized Marvel Marvel. More explanatory that way they figured out how you would have to watch it to watch every single part of that thing in chronological order right because just to be clear is if you don't know this already. Some of the movies actually have scenes that flash back flash forward or that are taking place at the same time so to watch every scene in order is. Does that Super Cut Exist? It does. But. Would that be that would? That would be like a terabyte. Nor it's intended. P. Think I think it's like if I remember correctly, I think it's like forty something hours. That's a high Larry S I. wouldn't. I wouldn't sir. I wouldn't download that because I. Don't Act I. Don't actually own all the marvel movies. Most of the obviously once wouldn't because it would be pirating. Not if I owned them, all and I don't care I mean I've talked about that on the show before. If I own all the blue race. Whatever I'm just I. MEAN API wherever I buy. Flag you unless you have A. I don't know what you're talk. Yeah I. Don't know what you're talking about either. It doesn't matter what different. Yeah. The point is I I wouldn't download it I. Don't have all the marvel movies. Most of them I have only seen one time in theater now. Is it like they're like? I haven't even seen most of them one time. I do love Them I love me a good superhero flick I enjoy them, but it's like it's like it's like brain off brain off ship. Go boom time for me like announced the amount of analysis that some people do on MC. You movies is like. Wow I would have to be Star Wars for me to actually care this much and I. don't even care about that anymore like I'm I'm so glad I'm sure there are people that that care that much man those like I just. I cared about them for the first while the original iron man was like really awesome when it came out and like I'm sure they've just gotten bigger and better over time, but like I'm just. I just don't care anymore. I don't go see them anymore. They're so. They feel so cookie cutter now. I know I. Still enjoy music lucky. Some low, key dark, or whatever the like really comedic one. Regard that the which one which one's the super comedic one the second one right? I think so the second thor movie. Yeah, I think so I. Think so I quite enjoyed it. A lot of people regarded as the worst movie I. Think they're bananas. there's definitely definitely worse ones, but anyway anyway or Ruggero. Yeah Ragnarok I enjoyed reading. Iraq didn't didn't take itself too seriously. I forget what? Oh Yeah Right. This is like the least popular parts of wind show. Just stick around. We'll talk about tech again in a minute. Just bear with me. Star worse. So I was just reading like. These are books that I read as a as a young teen and. As a young adult and sorry, as a teen and young adult so I was already late, familiar with the stories, but I was reading the biography. Like. wikipedia, for whatever reason for Jason Solo a ret conned. Expanded Universe character or extended universe I forget if it's extended or expanded, it doesn't matter bill fundamentally the same thing. Let's say expanded Cape EU character and I was reading through it. And I just I had to put it down. Because I was just like. This is so much better so much were inter. This is so much more I. Bet you too too big because that was a Timothy Zahn character. Right Jason. Solo I can't remember I wanNA say I. WanNa say yes, and then the ones that I really I really enjoyed when I was quite young. Where the Young Jedi Knights series about their adventures while they're while they're training Let's Kevin Anderson and Rebecca. What's her name? I can't remember. Anyway, anyway point is point as I was reading through it now. It's like yeah, you know what this is pretty trashy. Be Tear Literature. If we're being honest about it, you know this is this is not. The Star Wars. Books were Kinda Yeah. It's it's. It's it's. You know let's be honest. sci-fi is never going to be. It's never going to win an Oscar, you know. Not Dune exactly exactly exactly. So. I was reading through going like it Kinda reads like a soap opera, but that was the whole point. Star Wars was supposed to be space opera like plot twist. He's his father. You know like the come on. But that's what it great, and so the biography of this character is like you know. And then he was kidnapped, and then he had to go here, and then there was an assassination attempt, and then there's and then that and it's like nobody lives a life, but thought exciting, but that's fine. It's fine. And it's way better than. Wimpy! Brat angry Tantrum. Kylo Ren, right, maybe read. I'm gonNA break the computer. Like my favorite scene. He's literally the angry German Kate Okay. Do you know that? I think so the. Smashes the computer right when playing counter strike is retiring. Yeah, going that far back, yeah? Hold on. Where's the original? Here we go here. We go hold on a second. Get this. All right. Kylo Ren in nutshell okay. Take that to the bank. Brilliant Google. Just signed me out in the middle of like live streaming. Thank you. I didn't need access to my important document. Anyway, so I can actually talk about tech news now. I don't I. Think you cut it off before he like really goes ham. Yeah, like smashes his keyboard. I think he's like uses like it gets crazy. As far as I've heard in later. It was all staged. Yeah! Hundred percent fake I mean kid I was convinced he was that passionate about that game But. Yeah? That's pretty much it. The classic right there. What maybe when you're a kid? You might keep be convinced that Kylie runs a good. Kurt Yeah Yeah. Oh Wow, that's. I hadn't even thought about it that way. Kylo and jar jar. Do Dearth dearth jar jar would have been a better character. You see all the rumors circulating that Kathleen Kennedy, going out and George Lucas is coming back in you. BE SO SICK! I don't even think it. Would I think it might I? It's easy. It's easy to say Oh, I want George back while we don't have him, but we're GONNA. Get him back, Nonni we're going to get him back. And it's going to be like a dedicated movie about the world's or whatever and we're going to be like what? Should. I think I think if he came back, and who was actually at the helm was Dave Bologna. But like creative. The problem is. George Lucas helped with the clone wars. Character direction he helped with a lot of the like the rules of that of that series like he had a lot of influence on that. But, but it was ran by different people, and I think if that was kind of the direction that it went in I think it would be good. 'cause some of his creative visions of his character creation. Stuff like that is really good. That's true. I love your quilts or the world. We can we can. Not Go that direction I love his creativity I when he writes dialogue. I hate it when he is stubborn about things. And can admit that he made a mistake. That's something that really seems to have become or was always i. don't know like a flaw in his character at some point or another like he. He kind of ret conned the Trade Federation 'cause. It was just kind of complicated and didn't really make any sense in clone wars. But it's like okay, can you just can you just say it was a mistake then like? CAN WE Y-? So it, just you just end up with continuity. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and it's like well. WHO CARES ANYWAY? I guess is some people's attitude, but a lot of people that sort of the point where people care. Okay, let's talk about at and T. scaring. Customers into buying new phones is scrolling my roof. Earlier this week at and T. decided it was a good time to send email blasts claiming that many customers foams are not compatible with their new network, and that they would need to replace them to continue receiving service. Being conveniently does not include what the actual changes or when it will take place, but is we're very urgently. Some users even posted on the forum wondering if it was a scam. Actually got looks like one to be honest. It does kind of look like one update needed. Be Upgrading our network to use the latest whenever whenever? So. If you click the learn more, it reveals a support article detailing the shutdown of their. Get this three g network. which isn't even happening until February twenty twenty two. That is eighteen months from now, yeah! So with the three G network shutting down, you're not gonNA. Be Able to use your. iphone three GS I guess on the at and T. Network I. Don't think too. Many people are still using those. At will list. With this I doubt to everyone. Though or was this only sent out to people using? Phones that are not compatible because it I think it would just be people using phones that aren't compatible. But. Your device, it was sent out to people that it's not compatible that it's not going to be compatible with, but they've got eighteen months eighteen months. For sure is. You're still using attorney s now you might not care. That's true but like. An eighteen months updates. Oh might be pretty standard for a lot of people, but if you're still on a three GS, it's not I mean clearly it's you're not in a hurry. Have the latest and greatest, so you might as well wait until the day before they dropped the support them I just think eighteen months is an awful lot of time, and it's not particularly urgent. Trying to say. Doesn't seem urging I'm interested in that really. What like a three g? S era phone would look like the UI. I. Know. Literally all we can see is like the top notification bar the swipe up. Neither of those are correct unless these were like forwarded to someone else. I'm actually not sure it could be to the account holder, and maybe they have like a cat or something. That's counter. Whatever there's one hundred reasons you might have a different device for. Anyway the email also detailed how at and T. makes getting a new device online easy, and they even offer free shipping. There's one other thing we promised to get through. This was posted by pickles. Lord of the Jar on the forum the original article is from ars. Technica more than a thousand secure databases, so far have been permanently deleted in an ongoing attack that leaves the word. As the only calling card. Detect I came to the attention of researcher Bob Dyachenko on Tuesday when he discovered a database. That skirt stored user details of the UFO VPN had been destroyed UFO VPN had already been in the news that day, because the word database exposed a wealth of sensitive user information. In a lot of ways, and there is a note here that says. Is this like vigilante justice that calls the her to makes it stronger in a lot of ways, if what this person or group is doing is going around and deleting databases, just leaving the meow calling card, instead of copying them are trying to sell them or doing something like that. Yeah, maybe like that sucks that database. Gus just got deleted, but at least it didn't get looted, which would be way worse unless it was looted and deleted? Co said I think in most cases militia actors behind the attacks just for fun because they can because it's really simple to do. Ouch that's probably true in a lot of ways for a lot of these different types of. axon general guess wrecked Ria. We've got to get through a couple of super chats before I have my badminton session Robert Mail says if Intel releases seven nanometer before the the twenty twenty two. Whatever store hat you guys have out at that time. I'm going to make sure. We have some bro Robert. A big one. Like a calendar reminder for this. Whole that guy to. ME At says re youtubers complaining Abo- cancel culture. Good Dude treats with respect. You have nothing to worry about I have not been respectful to every person at every point in my life, and actually there was a very good point brought up by tasty. About a show segment that I did that was not very respectful, and I'm not gonNA. Defend anything. I did I looking back on it. There are definitely things that I can see. I was thinking, but did not express correctly I definitely thought that by highlighting the channel at all. We were driving exposure to her. You know the I wasn't trying. To undermine her as like I, I wouldn't basically my policy then, and now is anyone I don't respect or anyone that I, don't want to grow. I will not even saying their name. I will not invoke their name because I'm in a position where if I mentioned them they win if I positive, win A. Modern social stuff as a whole, you look at a lot of different other sex like the computer hardware. People seem to stay very much away from this, but a lot of other sections of youtube create intentionally fake orchestrated drama has all the time because it drives viewership and subscriptions and and traction. Channels involved. so like not talking about someone is A. It's a much more effective way of getting them to go, so I'm not gonNA defend it. I was rude and it was wrong. I Apologize I. Apologize To my wife to. That was that was pretty rude, not just to Lauren, but in general you know you shouldn't have. You shouldn't have your husband out there like being rude because. I mean. Obviously! She's not responsible for my actions, but I think when you're when your life partners you reflect on each other. There's nothing you can really do about it so Yup I I've dealt with it, but yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't right. And hopefully. Anyway the point is I'm just saying no I'm not perfect. Nobody is so thankfully. Lauren Class Act about it and You know thanks to her for that absolutely. All right Tommy again says will there be another scrap yard wars secret shopper attack showdown secret shopper confirmed today. brand is going to be our sponsor you go. Nice Nice pro. Your job was really cool. So that's it's GonNa. Be Awesome. Pro Gobert Can you do video using liquid metal in a twenty Ti Based on the timing, probably not maybe stay. Maybe we'll wait for something else to come out. Not that I know anything I actually don't but there are lots of rumors and usually when that happens. Yeah. In meltzer does the new forty ounce old city water bottle fit in the side pocket of the moss pack `Grande hasn't been tested who I think. Nick posted about it on twitter. Don't quote me on that one though I think he did. If you tag him, you should be able to let you know. been. Shadows says first time catching the wind show live with love A. What would intel do? March item I don't think we're going to do that. I, don't think to be clear I. we still work within tell we still love all of our contacts. Until are all great like we love working with Intel, it's just the people who are making decisions that are not talking to the people we work with. That's the problem. That's the trouble. I have. People that I would consider friends handle that I think are super cool, we have. We Have A. New sponsored series coming with Intel Intel is sponsoring twenty four videos where we are going to be going through one by one once a month and doing five thousand dollar setup upgrades with the staff. Wow, yeah like Geez. Pretty cool and they're even being like crazy. Chill about the Intel inclusions we don't have to. We don't have to talk about until constantly or anything like that. They're like no. We just you know if you WANNA use if you want to use the products. That's great. All we care about is that some Intel technology is somehow central to the experience they're trying. Trying to have and with our staff. That's easy, so anthony is going to be the first one. We actually shot that today. It's going to be a home theater. Slash VR gaming setup so obviously the at the heart of it. He went with the core I five. He really liked it for its high clock speeds for VR game, which is critical for VR. He got a like a new apple. TV great big video TV He got a sound bar. It's it's absolutely it's going to be great video, so it's basically just just me and anthony like shooting for four hours. Yeah, you guys will enjoy it, but. There's great guy. That like really get it and know how to make great content. Engage with the community. It's just the ones that apple's. It's the bad apples. Dinka Fox many shows ago, someone wrote a letter asking you to fix the lower third. You interpreted as the Hexagon logo being cut off by a pixel that I believe. The letter was actually asking to fix the Pixel. That isn't covered on the right side. I'll probably I'm sorry I can't look at that right now. To twenty five perfect says. Golf is a good walk, spoiled popularly attributed to mark Twain, but was first used in nineteen, forty, eight and Twain died in one thousand nine tenths still a good quote. Yeah, indeed. Man Okay. What else we got here that I should probably go through Ti. Just says you're missing the whole point Oh. We talked about this note. Forget it. Landon says love the cardboard case video. Thank you we loved it to. We actually had a lot of fun making that. The PGA! Think possessively looming offering adults pay Barrowman. Andrew Wilhelm says Jason had an incredible story ARC and Luke's story ARC light years ahead of Disney's take. Insert the way they massacred my boy. Mean absolutely pretty much. Yeah, now they could have been. With all that stuff, they could have just been making epic movie after epic movie for years and years and years, and they just they just didn't. They were just like. Let's see how hard we can screw this up. Thanks, Gordy twenty minutes of like the. Clone Wars Gambit you. Read any of those books, I. He. No, it's been so long. I gather basically stories of like Anikin and Kanobi. Just going out and doing like. Really Cool and you know what maybe not the best written books ever, but the the premise of the story line and the Michigan stuff that they're on were usually actually really cool. Yeah, there were these one off like really intense missions that usually just antiquated Kenobi. Maybe some other side characters and whatnot would go on and I. I really enjoyed them Yeah opinion on Dad Batch News. Yeah, there's a there's a new TV show I believe in twenty twenty one coming, which is based around the bad batch. The Group of clones I'm super stoked about. It sounds like it's being led by. If I remember correctly Dave Phony, I think it's GonNa. Be freaking fantastic That's the type of direct. Dave loney leading things is like the type of direction I want things to go in. I really liked the clone wars, animated series, and I. Soak is fantastic. She's wonderful. Carragee probably has a decent to do with this. That would be cool I. Don't know. Yeah, it's exciting. This is a two hundred dollar super chat from Liquor Quad. Laissez The frozen Quebecer I wonder if you've seen the leaks about the OCULUS. To No, so I'm looking at it now. He Go facebook's I knew lens since go apparently. Select Pretty. Cool integrated audio as long as it doesn't suck. Valves Integrated Audio, excellent evidence mounting through the year all right well, apparently, there might be a newquest that'd be pretty sick. Questions pretty sick on the new it all right. That's it for the wind show. Thank you for tuning in guys. We'll see you next week. Same Bat time same bat channel. By. baddie singles get my butt kicked by girl. It's going to be great. I'm actually excited I mean have to really good matches today. Yeah.

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Podcast #567 - Snapdragon 865, EPYC Efficiency

PC Perspective Podcast

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Podcast #567 - Snapdragon 865, EPYC Efficiency

"Hey everyone welcome to the PC perspective podcast this episode five hundred sixty seven being recorded thursday december fifth twenty nineteen i'm jim tennis i'm jeremy jeremy hellstrom i'm josh walrath i'm sebastian peak and we're glad you could join us we normally do these on wednesday nights at ten pm eastern now that daylight savings having signs over that's three a m UT avenue sending emails out last week with the wrong time but yeah ten ten pm eastern on wednesday's normally but we're daylight this weekend to make sure that you never miss a live show if that's what you're into head on over to pc dot com slash subscribe we can join our mailing list we use it only to notify you when when we're gonna go live as you can join there and of course if you want to catch the podcasts on-demand head over to PC dot com slash podcast where you can see all the episodes unlisted we've got the embedded video player there we've got direct links to audio all the show notes and links picks the weak and of course linked to our discord servers so you can join us in our community maybe they're on discord but before we get started today you know the last few weeks i have a feeling that we're not getting through some of you we've talked very positively about AMD's very exciting awesome product launches AMD is pretty much at all price points on the desktop a either the best option or a very close second and that's something that we haven't been let's say a long time and we think that's great but we continue to get feedback or i don't know if you can call it we apparently you are well i've got some emails elsa tweets we get comments i wanna make sure we're making it clear to you so i hit the sauce pretty hard this afternoon daniels tennessee fire i wish we did you reply to any of these messages in this in that condition no but i see mary is that wait a minute hold on is this like it's basically fireball no good can happen new drinking cinnamon whisky so i made something just to really drive the point home okay and if you don't buy an MD baby yoda will cry yes baby the for for our audio only listeners which i always have to remember is like eighty percents that was a that was a a graphic with fireworks and spinning processors offers and lisa sue with baby yoda looking admiringly up at lisa and big red tax flashing interface saying by an MD CPU so i hope it was in the best mid nineteen nineties tradition of internet graphics and that's that's about the peak of my editing abilities so i was quite proud of that but yeah you put our faces on instinct wants i mean there was a time when jim was spending hours of his life coming up with some sort of a clever gimmick at the end of the podcast that probably of the small percentage that watches the video instead of listening on audio how many listen or watch the way to the end to see the clever video that was when i was drinking higher quality alcohol okay yeah but y- yeah so that's the AMD CPU's if on the desktop like because i hate myself i'm gonna say this which will generate more controversy laptops right now a different different story intel's probably still your best bet in most laptop categories as long supply as an issue there as long as you can find something available at the right price is point until still still probably your best bet and laptops right now that's almost certainly gonna change once we get zen to into mobile hopefully early next year although not quite sure on the timing so you know that's i hope we're done if that doesn't work i don't know what will anyway let's let's move on and let's let's talk about something else that's mobile and that is of course qualcomm qualcomm had its big maui it's it's now is this the third or fourth year they've done it in maui it's been a number of pretty much every december for at least the last couple years they've had their big conference out in maui to announce any products and their new strategies allergies well we weren't able to go unfortunately but we've got some news here that of the all the things they announced the biggest is of course their mobile chips that's the next generation of qualcomm snapdragon chips that's being headlined by the new flagship eight sixty five tell us about this jeremy well we've got three different chips coming out one the the one that shows up early sixty five is the higher quality is the the fancy one so it has five g. because everything has to get five jeanette now i am pretty sure that the next chair that that you buy we'll be five g. connected it's in this case an ex fifty to five g. modem and they're claiming in a perfect world with no humidity indirect indirect site and you know no more than a couple of millimeters separation to be able to hit three point six gigabits download which is impressive god i hope that you have a good mobile plan because otherwise you're going to be ruining your life within a couple of hours especially since it supports work-age DR capture again it's just a huge gigantic amount of bandwidth you need five g. and workable five g. to be able to pull roll off and they're suggesting that it's going to or sorry no that's backwards the sixty five is actually seven point five gigabits downloads and you're going to see that in the zalmi me ten smartphone very soon and a bunch of others you know as as they come out although good luck getting a five g. signal meant to be talking about was the seven sixty five with the fifty to five g. modem and a eh HDR capture but it comes in two flavours just plain old seven sixty five and a seven sixty five g. which qualcomm suggesting will offer for they say desktop level performance in gaming i i suspect wanting to get modern console oh level performance with the fiddles that they do to make lower quality sampling look much better than it actually is is what you're going to see but still for a smartphone that's pretty bloody impressive we didn't i at least i didn't see any specs on what graphics are going to be in there other than and it's going to be a snapdragon product i don't know if josh you have a chance to it is adrenal high yeah adrenal they didn't go to deep dive that i saw today with the graphics portion but they did talk about you know the use caches and that for the eight sixty five five and it's you know they're all arm ace seven eight hundred seventy seven based they've got four big course and one is a prime core they call out i think those up to like two point eight three gigahertz as compared to two point five something for the you have the three and then the prime quarrel so has like five hundred twelve k of l to cash and the other ones have two hundred and fifty six which is your software has got to be really aware of of what's going on because having mismatched cache sizes is is not great and that's something that they ran into with you know the big little stuff initially because this also has four eight fifty five cortex eight fifty five cores in each one of those has a hundred and twenty eight guy of l one or l two rather and so yeah your your software has to be really aware where it's throwing threads and can't do a lot of thread jumping on buke oars because you've got all these gas size mismatches and then certainly we kind of solve that with a big little on that you know low blow level staff is is going to smokers and in low-power areas and stuff that doesn't matter the OS will shoot all that stuff there shut down the big cores and then in this one they're just adding another layer of complexity with you know one kind of super core that is going to be you know low latency bigger cal to cash stuff that the needs you know address now is gonna be going there didn't see a whole lot else you know it's just got a lot of the regular armed kind of interfaces that you know the the memory controllers and the l three cache i i believe they got there and how it connects to the graphics as well as the DSP and the stuff is now becoming big but they rashawn real time translation of audio of of vocal translation from one language to another that that was being done in real time on just CPU and not you know like going through google's massive servers out and in in middle of nowhere so this looks to be a pretty impressive launch it's all like seven nanometer parts and i think it's seven nanometer seven and he their new the performance seven nanometer process from TSMC is what qualcomm looks to be to happen for this and it's going to be first half and i have probably but it's going to be a twenty twenty product don't expect it in january february march it's going to be well later on in the year sure and you know they're kind of the first big guys out there to to have these nexgen parching announcing it and it's going to be one of the i seventy seven i think it's one of the first day seventy be seven wars out there i can't remember i mean there's just so damn many cortex in had it may be let's see if if there's a cortex a seventy eight there's not yet okay only seventy seven is the one that was announced earlier this here in nigeria down to england yeah six fifty listed for this but but of course there's no specs of that i don't see a product page for six fifty yet so i don't know if they increase court counterfeits is higher clocks kind of it sounds like the adrenal people did much the same as what molly did is that a lot of the things are still around the same kind of size in terms of you know die space in that but they've chopped it up a little bit better they've they've allowed a little bit more flexibility so you know it it it's not radically radically different but it gives you a significant boost in performance and capabilities like i said it's there's more than one way to skin a cat and you know they've they've taken you know attend a twenty percent increase in transistor count but they've improved performance you know thirty to forty percent in in in certain scenarios and so it's it sounds like they've they've done a lot of the similar type things in eating performance improvements without without breaking the bank in terms of dice and DDP's that'd be shocked if we don't see an actual product for at least one of the companies like joe i by a for mobile world conference which sort of pegs at fab yeah as i recall from last year so ken went for us last year to their the qualcomm walk on conference and then i went out to san francisco in our think it was either february or early march for qualcomm and they that's when they had all the first units i don't know if they were for sale yet technically then but they had their partner phones on display for the press so they that same timetable at least you'll start to see at least the options you'll have with these new processors in the first quarter next year old only expect she is the most interesting thing to me about this was that i was looking at the second article earlier which is that their modem is not integrated five g. modem which is a separate product is not integrated mitch and they make sell and they won't sell it a sixty five without one so if you want the flagship from qualcomm they they require you to buy the five g. modem you cannot implement this eight sixty five with a four g. modem there's no integrated based band of any kind apparently so was i think it's integrated in the seven sixty five in the mid range which is which is meant for look lower debt off devices which it makes sense to sell a lower end product without the integrated five g. modem this is funny it's interesting to me to think that they're literally trying to force the issue oh you wanna flagship phone own and you want days not not that accompany in twenty twenty would want to a flagship android for that did not have five g. they wanna be able to boast five jeevan even if tiny percentage of people who can actually only man just only not not that a company would well it doesn't hurt the qualcomm has probably the best five autumn out there yes that's not really saying much because nobody else really one yeah well tell almost had one and did turned out yes speaking at work speaking of that our next story i very related of course is is a as this conference going on intel has come out and and had some some issue they've made some statements suggesting that qualcomm play dirty with intel game so of course the intel sold their five g mobile division to apple earlier this year very very interesting story which which was was part of a ending a lawsuit between apple and qualcomm and and just a very very a lot of moving parts to this this thing and it was a billion dollars they sold it for well until my thing are thinking perhaps they got shortchanged here so they came out with a statement that said well when all when when all was said and done this this is a quote intel could not overcome the artificial and insurmountable barriers to fair competition created by qualcomm scheme and was forced to exit the market so now the whole pod calling the kettle black balaton overcome hurdles call companies dirty but coming from intel which has also been caught playing dirty not necessarily perhaps not in this specific industry i don't know komo nearly as much money do they i mean what is what is their quarterly qualcomm it's like five six billion more i can't remember qualcomm no third you earnings let's see what does i did post the qualcomm side today their various we bulls and the various fines they're paying in the fact that some they've got some friends helping them out in their fight against the FTC so we'll see how that appeal goes qualcomm makes about five billion now companies revenue for the quarter rose ninety percent into nine point six billion there about half the half the size of the the amount that tells making and but they've they've had a huge growth as well while last the q. three of last year was wasn't five billion dollar quarters so yeah they're not doing the the bigger MD so that's not saying much it definitely helped to be back in iphone for them because they took such a huge loss lost their quarterly that first quarter after apple gone pretty much all intel with a new phone i think they were down a couple of billion dollars in revenue they were getting a lot of their quarterly revenue end still are from apple because iphone sales are so strong so well at least that'll continue for the immediate future apple has their own modem which developed from the intel technology do they bought what was it was company power VR or who did they rip off when graphics it was there for the first -nology they like they like apple for a long time but i don't know if they ripped them off yeah yeah those things where they they they went another direction the company pretty much just had nothing left in just shut down downright right and i don't recall it was actually litigation threats but there was the implication that apple used their licensing to reverse engineer the technology and then was able to into into holcombes samsung oracle yes there was litigation wait a minute using to reverse engineer the second isn't that the entire history three of AMD as a CPU maker well yeah eighty-sixth about it like they added to it and relicensing back doc it's mutually beneficial to fascinating story i need to read a book about it at some point if a book exists because obviously they got into sixty four a very different way than intelligent initially did because it was what i sixty four on the intel side i take times yes yes but speaking of intel so they they may be in this new era of competition in one of their strong industries one of their strong arms they maybe maybe scaling back in other areas jebiwot up a story for his tells tells what's going on with intel i mean if you didn't know intel you'd actually think they were in trouble the bailing on the modems and now they're bailing on the the new devices group which was the connectivity stuff from from the internet of crap straight through up to a huge gateway devices for enterprise and internet backbones it it only makes intel four hundred fifty million dollars a year so that's like a paper out and you decide to drop one lock and lose ten dollars a year sort of deal but on the other hand it makes sense the intel is sort of i'm saying you know what we're having some issues here with moving up her junior process we're having trouble with getting stuff out and onto the market market so they've been diverse affair at what's not diversifying but getting rid of a bunch of the various little projects that they've built up over over the years and seemed to be trying to focus more on the core business of the desktops and servers CPU's divac oh yes they're investing themselves of excess baggage and mobile stuff in one way it's interesting because if you've ever ripped open some of the older cisco switches those were only MD powered they were relatively low cost and everything you wanted to and you know buy into all sorts of backing out of this it gives while welcomes we've been talking about AMD a shot at a market that you know because it used to dealing with intel so they with until regardless if they're out of the market now you've got to go shop figure out what's going on okay do i want to go for ultra low power but maybe not as much processing efficiency unless they stuck a whole bunch up only go something a little more power hungry and a little bit more powerful from AMD it it may actually be good for the market that intel is sort of gotten their fingers out of these little bits and we can all hope that it's better for those the vessel shopping for intel processors that you know they'll continue they'll they'll start improving a little bit getting MD to even more fired up to compete and you know maybe able to buy them occasionally all right let's see turning to AMD real quicker as sebastian you have teased this this story a few times in recent weeks but we've got some more details on you've mentioned if he was in private but i've heard about this thing or yes yes so so it looks like AMD is going to be having some more rising powered mini PC's coming soon to challenge orange the intel nook yeah i mean this is i was hoping for some sort of a new product announcement core correspond with this but it's just in announcement of their initiative if you remember years ago i wanna say it was intel's five by five this was the precursor to what is now many the s. t. x. factor i've done a couple of maniacs projects i think that's right anyway the the really small motherboards the five by five inch motherboards boards AMD has this four by four initiative it's this new push where they've created an open platform they're calling it and end they're basically creating this reference design that that people can adopt and they have this list of embedded rising processors with vega graphics these are not the new you use we've been waiting for this is not the stuff that some iteration of is going to be in the new consoles next year so we're not talking about zen two cores course with navy that was when i started looking into it and actually i had to dig a little bit because in their press release they only mention shen this v one thousand thousand series so i'm like okay what exactly are those models of what is the core count the jeep like see you counts roads so they're not astonish like the the highest level part is the eighteen o seven b it's four eight hundred processor that goes up to three point unit gigahertz they got eleven graphics so that's seven hundred four unified shares up to one point three gigahertz a clock speeds for the graphics in the memory support is actually up to the airport thirty two hundred that's in line with the current rising three thousand stuff it's just as has with the rising three thousand desktop api use that have come out this year they're a generation behind as far as CPU architecture and the graphics graphics portion of it so it's fourteen nanometer stuff that ranges anywhere from twelve to twenty five watts configure -able up to those high end parts parts like that the eighteen o seven i just mentioned which are thirty five to fifty four what parts so yeah you can hit that thirty five target that you need for the really small form factor designs and below but it's i can't see vega eleven being being somebody solution for like a a small gaming type system that's not what this meant for though that was looking for the press release if you read it it's mostly focus on embedded systems for industrial applications sign age that sort of thing which is exciting for end users -sarily but there were some companies like as rock but it's their industrial side so i would i hope that my next year maybe this creates like building blocks for the continuation of the program with newer architecture faster CPU cores better graphics and then you legitimately have something to test and i was gonna say tests attempt jin intel nook but those don't exist and when they do exist for intel's own PDF's on their site that show the specifications ten gen nooks if you can find it they're just using fourteen hundred meter stuff again with more HD graphics so gentle loving graphics not even in the nook for the tenth generation so it's it's a silk any better off you're still going to be better off with one of these embedded solutions especially ashley the vega eleven solution or one of the big eight solutions than you would be with an intel nook so and if AMD eh ever implements integer scaling which is the thing i've been waiting for that's why i was excited about gentlemen graphics an intel look i have this eighth jin intel intel look behind me i'm like this could be like my retro dos fix gaming station i just have like dos box in a whole huge library array of games on here but there's no injury scaling with HD graphics on that thing and there's a minute i think it has iris graphics but still agenda lebanon opt for integer scaling guess with intel drivers isn't so the thought i read recently that into your skilling what's coming to MD graphics misremembered i don't know i don't think they've made any official announcement call that but they did i could be totally wrong enemy drivers i don't bailable next year for our nabi initially okay okay perfect here here we go earlier here this month AMD prepping integer scaling radio on graphics respects AMD went and really and i intentionally had been avoiding this because i didn't want to get caught up or waste time on gaming on these things when i have worked to do but the last that the last processor review was that ten nine hundred z and i did gaming benchmarks as well which i didn't having the review on seoul collecting data but the i did enable introduce scaling had archie x twenty eighty in there and i just did a quick ABM like oh my god like the differences it's it's like looking at a dirty window that has like smear marks all over it and then just cleaning it and looking through to get it's literally that dramatic where it goes from smeared and blurry to raise her charlene almost almost to sharp though like if you've seen like a twenty seven or so inch class i resolution monitor with an old three twenty by two forty game running on it those pixels are really really big big and you had to sit farther back or else you dislike staring at mosaic but i still prefer it to the the blurred stuff stuff but were even talking about hours something about NPC's in college football or something thank you know the hockey sabres real calgary estimated one thursday night i missing missing using the outstanding product that is NFL football tour which tonight is rick lawyers have always bears bears or beaten up on the cowboys oh boys go to thursdays at a row what's up with that they've they've never lost on thursday night eight they've lost some thanksgiving but until tonight it looks like they'd never lost on thursday night football no sympathy for dallas france well sympathy for dallas team or oris your dallas fan i don't have anything personally against you i just hate your owner your franchise from buffalo you hate so strong word jim it's idea i it isn't i used it intentionally it's because you know jerry jones fired heard johnson is winning coach because johnson was getting all the attention and jerry didn't like johnson did get a lot the credit back in those days but look at what the team's done since then i mean look at all those two billion dollars for a stadium so yeah that's a witness to the all play that game it was the right move gal taxpayer funding for new stadium well yeah watching jerry jones meltdown in his press box on thanksgiving gay lost to buffalo and josh allen there was a lot of happy bills fans and the tennis household that day speaking of the game it was a great breakdown for but speaking speaking of melting down or or not we've got some story some news from farrand ix they took a look at the current errant jen epoch processors looking at their predecessors so the you know the new rome stock versus the previous generation and and they ran some casten and one of the focuses here was was efficiency and what did they find jeremy vast improvements in the news news and to based rome a vast improvement sonar when you're looking at something that significantly better performance wise compared against swollen previous generation compared against what's intel's currently offering the thermals on them were hugely improved in in in most cases you were seeing like say the seventy six forty two running about half of what the seven four zero one p was it's a it's a they end up doing spreads spreads of temperatures because they run through god only knows one hundred hundred twenty different workloads that servers would face and towards the end sort of gave it just an overall overall look at what's changed and i mean some of them you know they do suck up a huge amount of power regardless what you do but in the vast majority of it when they're looking at the performance her watt and essentially what they were doing is venturing how much the vac system is pulling it as opposed to the system power draw because it's the fact that you're paying for in a server room and it's impressive the the the one of the benchmarks lifted the the mean result for the seventy three fifty one p was two thousand nine hundred and four point six one the seventy seven forty two seven thousand six hundred thirty four point three that translates to a huge amount of money johnny over the course of a year for business just a huge amounts even the very lowest one i is beating or we're tying the most power efficient of the previous generation of naples so this is not just a huge win for AMD performance wise yes because when you're looking at one of the things okay it will cut my processing power down by that which is valuable to me but it's going to cost me how much more cooling and you can turn around and say well actually she it's gonna cut your power bill significantly end provide you better for so it it just a huge win for MD with this new architecture for epic doc just gonna make so much money off of this because it's a no brainer to buy if you're upgrading if you're doing a nice forklift upgrade how would you not go with epoch yeah this is why we can't have thirty nine fifty x dammit well that's the drawback is that's why we're not seeing those fifties goes well the money over here and a smaller one over there so for that one and we'll see if until i'm i'm sorry go ahead josh and they've got feta talking on twitter today i mean they got features didn't tell dozen and one of the biggest ones is if you're big IO guy he say four point zero is is out and it's only on AMD stuff and i mean samsung i think they released this past quarter their enterprise is level PCIE four s dis they're like you know one point five million i- apps and a gigabytes per second and ten a ten terabyte you'll have height half length sticks just other obviously very inexpensive products it we you can pick up but yeah it's we need to get that dave graham guy i i need to schedule a time with him to sit down and and chat he's as the the marketing manager for dell and he's really been pushing epic big time now that there at seven nanometer and these new products rolling out and he sees he's a lot of really good things coming out of so it's going to be interesting to see in this next year because initially when intel AMD kind announcer answer next generation stuff and and we were going into spring of twenty nineteen i thought amdi may be had six to eight eight months of a window where they could really start making some some some cash you know making some hey and then the more and more announcements so we've been hearing from intel that when it was kind of enlarged in our we're really they've got a two year window before intel has anything that's going to be competitive additive it's all going to be fourteen nanometer stuff i mean sure they're going to have some lower power ten nanometer things that they'll shoehorn in but it's aw basically skylight and it's just not gonna cut it anymore and they still can't produce enough stuff for the demand that there is an AMD's going to be making that up and yeah it's gonna be fun to see we're going to have you know a more healthy eh competitive environment than we've seen in a long time and you're going to see some prices dropping gonna see their ASP's rise but overall i think it's going to give consumers that at both consumer level and the enterprise level you know much more leverage but they're they're buying dollars yeah it's interesting too because it again having no server enterprise experienced personally until i started here and then going to events this year talking to companies and vendors and kind of getting a taste of that like it's it's really it's really interesting because while there are awesome customers in the service base who who are sensitive to upfront price like that initial cost of the processor most of them don't care at all it's about density computing dan how much power and performance per square foot of ser of data center and as jeremy talked about two cooling and air conditioning and power usage well it all comes down to power usage and then of course there's some companies to it's about the environmental impact and so the less power you can use the better off set it easier with carbon credits or whatever whatever so these are all the factors that are play and to see AMD come in and be the cheapest option upfront and now as we seem to be a it much better on performance in terms of total operating costs they're just usually you would you would imagine you would see like the market split we've got one that's cheaper but more expensive iran and vice versa and got both and with with intel having supply problems the josh alluded to and also having very limited transparency on their most ask 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video and it's based on some studies that they did earlier this year and of course you know it's marketing it's it's nvidia but they're talking about with with both high in the area changeable even though it's not technically the same but they're talking about high frame rate so high frames per second and high refresh rate on your monitor and why that matters and they've got some nice examples kind of illustrating it and it's true you know this this is this is a smoother motion with the higher stuff by where they kinda go a little crazy roese but later on here and they they they argue as jeremy's prepping for us with the ominous music they argue or is it in this article that it gives you a competitive advantage so that your kill death ratio goes up significantly up to ninety percent when you go from a baseline of sixty hertz two hundred eighty at least that's as far as they went i don't think that's an option so so it's not hurt says this is the france per second graph so again confusing they switch back and forth but so what if you start at sixty frames per second is a baseline they're saying that if you go to one hundred eighty frames per the second you have to make that big i know it didn't get any bigger that's what that oh that hurts and i count on my ballots tearing to be able to hit people yeah so they're point here it makes the they've got a couple points first of all at the higher frame rates at higher refresh rates if you turn off your tearing is less noticeable because there's less update updates happening faster so the tearing isn't as noticeable also the motion smoother so that if you're aiming at somebody and it appears to you that this this far behind but they're actually writing your sites you can kill him but i look at their study and they they didn't at least they didn't list the methodology that i could see i'm not sure they're controlling properly here because that's a significant change and i think it might it'd be likely that someone is going to spend the money to get the graphics horsepower to get to those rates and then by the fancy monitor that can do that refresh rate they're probably more into gaming they monitor they they used it they they control based on hours per week but again that's not necessarily skill level that's just hours per week maybe a guy who was into fortnight for two years and started school it isn't playing as much recently or something like that so i don't know what it what do you guys think about about this many many years ago probably one of my first big thing that was ever listed on what was the slash dot was thirty versus sixty fifty frames per second and i did neurological right up about how humans did get information visually and you know by my conclusions back then were like you know seventy two frames per second and this is back in CRT days and was instead and tied with seventy two heard was a nice thing to keep you mostly flicker free but also you know the stuff going faster because thirty was just too slow sixty was was much better but you know going up and again this we're talking voodoo two time and buddha three when they were coming out and CRT monitors that were giving you maybe eighty five hurts for flicker free type gaming but after i'd written that i get quite a bit of of of data and links and other studies studies that people wanted me to and like the air force was doing a visual hype testing you know back in the sixties where they would flash flash something at like you know one two hundred fiftieth of a second you know just an image on a wall and the people were able to actually actually identify that i mean just the visual acuity of someone who is trained in that stuff is really really high and so they you know they have some kind of russian fighter they flash up there to these pilots that they're doing tests on they're like yeah that's that's a that's a make twenty one and their their accuracy was really really high in and after about two hundred fifty frames per second you know the things really became muddled in it and it wasn't there here but we're we're seeing that kind of area is you'll have measurable positive impact because you're getting closer and closer to reality the way you know don's hits your into rods and cones and if you think about the cones themselves they can actually be activated neurologically by even just one photon so you can see the human eyes are very very sensitive now there's another currently designed but that's a but but the other component that is training is that you can put somebody in front of a two hundred forty hertz monitor and they won't see any difference in in their gaming because they just just never spent enough time and training their brain to get all that information but you know people who spend hours and hours in front of it and game and practice their visual acuity actually goes to a much much higher level and they're able to actually utilize more of the information that's coming to who them through this high franks per second screen and so you know it's it's a better simulation of reality because you're not at these strange thirty sixty frames per second you know sixty hertz the LCD which once you go on forty four and above of it's a whole different ballgame and especially if you spent any kind of time there at one hundred twenty hundred and forty four and then go back to a sixty year just you're you're tearing your hair out and so yeah it's it's it's a combination of human physiology as well as training raining and so i agree one hundred percent that higher the hurts the better it's going to be just because there's so much science behind you know how humans and joe behave with their visual subsystem both you know busy logically with the is and then the brain again training training is is an area that is often overlooked with these things so it's you know it's something that we're going to hear more about and now the LCD technology has gotten to the point where it can do this reliably and in good quality it's neat see but this has been you know fifty eighty six years in the making to get to this point yeah and i want to clarify i'm not at all suggesting that frame rate doesn't matter or that refresh rate under display doesn't matter or that higher isn't better early to appoint as far as experience like going from sixty to my first hundred twenty hertz ACO's display like when was that what was that first one that came out it was two thousand thirteen or something i had to buy it from NCIS from canada paid like a boatload shipping and customs but it was it was amazing so nothing it doesn't matter i'm just saying i don't i have a hard time believing that it's going to nearly double your kill death ratio again in a controlled environment so these people are probably better i'm not saying videos like lying about the date under saying that methodologically it's probably not this dramatic attic and as if you were plopped right in front of a completely unfamiliar game and played one round at sixty one round at one forty four i doubt there's is going to be a measurable difference but as josh is talking about once you've trained yourself to the point where you know you your brain rain is even processing the backgrounds anymore because it's already memorized the middle's looking for the the change in the differences once you're at that point then yes a better tool better faster faster refreshment on a monitor is going to help you but you know it's not gonna magically w kill death ratio as a as ruthless fairs and our youtube chat said when he switched from sixty to one forty four hertz he was able to perform better but not to the exaggerated extent that and videos showing here so you don't need time and he's yeah right because this is what's their in game here why would invidia company that sells graphics cards to gamers be interested in in sponsoring study like this or conducting their own internal testing for this well to sell graphics cards and this is probably leading something where there's going to be an advertising campaign have pain or something built around you know for some reason in certain circumstances with certain games certain resolutions in certain quality settings things if they can boast x. percentage higher than AMD at a price point in right now it's kind of they're in a position where they can can market to a certain price point a lot better than AMD can because we're still waiting on those nabi parts like like the ten ADP geared knob parts like OEM's already have the the fifty five hundred series graphics but we don't have anything but the the sort of medium size navy we don't have any big navy yet so i'm just curious as to where this is going we've seen a couple of stories in the last calendar year from nvidia about kill rates and it's to me it's got to be leading somewhere like what is what's the point you are you saying that nvidia cards are going to give you x. percentage higher frame rates rates and therefore improved whereas AMD because or they're just still trying to sell people on the idea that they need to find are scarred extend series this campaign or more accurate of course just wonder i'm always very skeptical about things because any time i see a medical study or anything i'm like all right what was the what was the size of the the tasks like how many people were were involved in in what country over what period of time in what year and i wanna know like we're using the same mouse was the mouse set the exact same like DPI setting between the two like was there some sort of synergy between the mouse optical refresh and the monitor that they weren't getting at the lower resolution but they were getting in paris is we're talking about people who are probably so precise that with these tiny hand movements they are making these huge jumps and unlike the acceleration or whatever they're using his like perfected to the point where they're wheeling around and then aiming within like a pixel of precision and shooting being a perfect head shot in a game that they play for hours and hours a day for their livelihood if they're sponsored gamer versus somebody like me the who if i have time to play a game kind of stumbling through it for an hour or two and and mohsen at fifteen thousand DPI right and i yeah miles essentially like six four hundred that's really high that yeah so the dp wars are really existed reason you're not crazy thirty two thousand six hundred dp i what if what if they the next frontier is variable DPI mice like its senses based unexcelled of your hand whether it needs to go to a lower DPI for that precision targeting or higher let's drop down oughta bet you guys nineties when they had those things you put on your fingers and supposed to be mind control the art video about that it was ridiculous they used to have a display unit in the circuit city ninety five then i went to and i think it's working but to use in control all right bob is my blog is moving a little bit to the right but then again if you just don't touch the controller at all it's still kind of really moving around well there there was a great algae video try to link it in the chat after the show notes in his he turned around and face away from the screen and it was still just flying all over this but it was the us my point is you integrate that technology the twenty nineteen version of that detects how pissed off you are and then that's how it adjusts your DPI for you by the way unrelated but i grabbed a prop earlier we were talking about i think jim brought this up the way the invidia was spelling east sports a capital e. s. whoever wrote this letter whoever input it into the site just auto caps obviously sports generally as far as i know is either spelled old capitol ES or lower case in capitalists all lower case i had to grab this e. g. force eight hundred hundred CTX off the shelf because back in the day EDA put an e. in front of everything so this is lower case e hyphen capital g so i mean that's the other extreme but you know this is this is still my favorite era of video product names by the way this just throwing that out there a- ignorant because now we've got stop capitalize invidia all the time like dude look at it's a small end and capital video it's it's you're gone i like knowing it that way what is it called when you mix the case there's some named for that cantor camel case or something i can't remember but i i like that i like the lower case upper upper case thing but i was a younger person in the early two thousands and i thought it was cool well continue on with games is and things that well we thought were cool and are still cool the halo as as long promised halo the master chief collection has started to rollout clout now on PC now the way they're doing it is a little different you can buy the whole master chief collection which has been available on xbox for several years and it gives you all the games of front with PC you buy the collection or the individual games and they're rolling out like one game at a time and i think was it reach is the first one that just became available on steam esteem and on the xbox game pass repeat c can get it that way too if you've if you've got game pass and it looks like they're going to be supporting boarding a modern because there's some as scott wrote up there are some features that have been discovered that are going to allow the disabling of the anti cheat mechanisms in the code so obviously that would be integral for many different types of mods and having that as an option is going to be really interesting people get their hands back doc on these classic halo games i've ever played reach play reach one through three one was big because one came out our freshman year college and that was the land party game title xbox yeah yep i saw a reddit post where somebody posted a picture of the original xbox dev kit and its towers in their title was the i just today i learned that the original well xbox deaf it was basically a PC to was original xbox basically wasn't so really yeah i've got one i should actually do a tear down video to educate people like this this is an original xbox this is what's inside and yes you can install different operating system on it it was very popular ahmad those put emulators and stuff on the chest memory it was yeah it was even but it's it's it's not ability as a is what gave us a lot of things like ex-pm see at great aunt's media center which then became the basis for cody and plex originally plex was originally usually formed a mac version and mac fork of the ex-pm see project so a lot of things are owed to that interesting little box that was short-lived unfortunately but what's that sebastian is metro drought oh it's my phone i was waiting for a far cry i five before i have to say i love metro games for their benchmarks because it's been a standalone alone utility that you run you can customize it you get a box which is nice crafts and stuff if you want to choose how many iterations i wanted i could say seven times and just leave come back really idea graph for each run the problem is because i'm actually capturing the presents stuff through right now amusing frame view before i was using okay hat but okay it's not as well supported we'll just say that they actually pulled it for a while they put it back up you can download it again but they're still certain games in it always always giving me fits with so anyway we could we could get into the way you capture capture data but this is the easiest way for me to get average ninety fifth and the ad percentile data at ninety nine point ninth as well but i don't use that but anyway so nice benchmark speaking of additional games although epic exclusives jeremy one of germany's favorites is coming out soon right toss about this and it's only been about a twenty year fricken weight since mac or your former scenarios but yes finally if you've broken down like i haven't the dark side getting up so that you can get some of these games that i i will have a variable length of exclusive exclusivity this one there babbling about a full year but mech warrior five mercenaries will drop on on december tenth it's it's gonna be fun it's been a long time since i've played these i'm curious to see how they're going to try and destroy destroy one of my favorite franchises 'cause it honestly looks beautiful and as you just stop and trump through through a building i mean how can you not have fun doing this it's not really gonna have much of a story i the mercenaries versions are your mercenary company and you're desperately trying to strip of sea bills to pay the rent and you know hopefully repair your max and buy new weapons and armor so it's it's gonna be interesting it's one of the things that some people are maybe upset about is it's actually set ferry early in the battle tech tuck universe so no clans a huge amount of max that you've probably fallen in love with the various other games just simply don't exist they haven't been well the loss hasn't been rediscovered to be able to do them but you are gonna still have some of the fun like there's a loaded with an OB x. auto cannon on it so you're still we're gonna have some fun i'm looking forward to break break in this out when it launches never played any mech warrior game just never met online three d game truth really game i ever play because it came with my voodoo graphics six or could right just three hundred quarrier too nice that's something to look forward to epic exclusive but you'll find it december temp and continuing on the epic train i believe this was a little more controversial because there's a game coming out phoenix point and wasn't this one something that it was promised steam in the crowd funding and then switched to epic later on they did it on fig which is a little bit different than a kick starter essentially you're pretending to be a true capitalist and getting money from people and they did say that it was going to be available on various platforms uh-huh they didn't say it was going to be exclusive to epic store because well among other things epoch sort didn't exist when this was first kicked off but this'll be fun on because this is julian gallop who was water gallup's who's one of the original developers on x. point her ex point x com um you afo defense the horrible game where you just tended to die horribly or run out of money or the government turned against you it was not uneasy game so they're going to hold onto that style where as opposed to the x com with a dash it's without a dash it's you're not going to be able to win every mission you're not going to be able to pick every mission your there's so much stuff going on in the world that you have to pick and choose what you do and live with the consequences as opposed is to maybe missing you know maybe eventually having a all you can pick this path or this path on certain mission in this case now you're going to be completely and utterly overwhelmed i actually feel more like there's a huge alien invasion going on your barely sticking around and to make it a little more interesting there three the human factions and being humans well they've got their own take on how things should be and you are phoenix point sort of a fourth faction and so you have to choose whether you're gonna work with these guys or not and humans being humans you can be guaranteed they're going to go to war with each other regardless of the fact that you know were planets facing extinction so it's going to be a rather interesting it should you know again it's it's kind of annoying than it's only on epic it's been in beta for a little bit i didn't fewer so i didn't get a chance to play with the betas but the original the actual game AM is out now and you can pick it up if you so desire it looks interesting in in the variety ways described and although i don't know exactly actly how they've implemented apparently you can take over a soldier and aim the rifle manually so if you've got an enemy emme who's got a shield you're able to move your radical where you wanna be hitting two above the shield and to try and clip them in the knows that that that that picture reminds me of the juice vitamin pointing each other does kinda and the other thing is that because they've they've got the physics to handle it if you're pretty damn sure you know we're an alien is who's obscured by a wall or whatever you can take a shot and if it can penetrate it will penetrate the train hit him so lot of things stacked up on it but you know faith with the person who's at the head of it so we'll see i'm back that up because i've got so many other things to do right now the one real quick thing that i saw on red at recently there was a a recent rick and morty episode that rick has a computer and he's using the computer in the plot to analyze fecal matter but if you zoom in to the graphic to the screen shot that there's some interesting details about the hardware he's using and some intrepid ready users went in and wrote it all summarized it for us so the do model but they're so interesting the the fictional computer of course that rick is using a hundred and twenty eight bit AMD CPU maimed the x. thirty seven hundred plus but it's running running at seven point nine nine hurts so they're speculating maybe the quantum computer accused answer q. is that describes the discrepancy there in the the operating any frequency the PC has about four hundred terabytes of storage on an NBA emmy SSD and interestingly it has three point five extra bytes of memory system memory it's a little overkill especially compared to these storage and it's running a custom to be in lennox lennox distribution so just a little quick thing they're one thing but we noticed that i guess the i can't keep up with my the the outraged trends i guess the rick and morty community supposedly toxic or something and something about sexual it's awesome i don't know i i enjoy the cartoon so seeing the little details there and seeing increasingly critters get AMD a little little love one all right any news before we jump into the reviews news any topics or points you wanna make no no other news i think we'll have more to talk about next week let's just put it that way and i wanna point out to way back when we ran our little AMD promo teaser i said baby yoda said that for convenience there were several people who called me out i wanna clarify i understand that it's not yoda that is a baby a fifty year old baby of the species of whatever yoda was and we say baby i also said maybe i haven't seen the mandatory and at all it's good through good year didn't he get his knee plus disney plus is household jim well i am i got the trial with comes with verizon or one of one of the things we subscribe to gives us plus so you've got disney bus but it may be on our flex server so there's no such things plex server oh no i only use plex to access media that there's free take true and microsoft yeah yeah you can just watch the terminator right now on plex for free with acts like there's like twenty of them throughout the movie early ah terminator was originally released because that would actually be great that would be that would be typical streaming ads you get like the same ad three times in a row oh every five minutes yeah but just clarify for ritter curious the plex service just the other day launched a free e-content thing so that everybody's libraries because with everything flex its opt out rather than opt in unfortunately but a movies and TV category appeared which is full of mostly be content there's a couple of good movies like terminator but it's a lot of be rated b b level movies and TV shows and they're they're free to stream but with ads inserted like most of those ad-supported services over glow controversial and practice park but you can turn it off if you don't want it thankfully it's it's very facebook of them i wonder if in the future you just open up the plex app and it's like full screen ad and you have to find a way to get around it and then you can use use the app until the next full screen it comes up in the middle of your own personal content streaming a little with every update plexus made there's been a group the people are wary and i i'm part of that group a little bit bottle that has never paid off as big ah harvesting data going all out with advertising like twitter still is desperately trying to do things to stay relevant and make money a. and adding adds into the timeline course they've been doing her while now but don't compound in africa next year so we've got to get that money but i mean they they charged companies and individuals money to promote things like trending topics can be bought that's where within a large portion of their money advertising isn't that big on twitter compared to facebook which all advertising and you're just literally signing up for service to to just give them as much personal data as you possibly can learning about what you like what you don't like what you like to buy they sort of persistently volume through the web and monitor everything that you do maybe maybe flexible down that road do we don't know it would be a shame it'll be it'll be something else to replace it eventually there's jelly finn i think is the name image of open source fork of plex from before they went to their new unified system so there's that cody and ember MB ambi there's options desperately adding new stuff yes but anyway let's get through the reviews and i real quick we'll look at a power supply live from lena this is a bit of a of a rehash air it's these silverstone SSD no it's the first time i saw it i thought it was a necessity yeah it's very clean shot of SF x. power supply side of the power supply so we've got here a silverstone s x seven hundred PT now now you may if you are a fan of lease power supply reviews which you should be because he does a great job going into measuring all the efficiencies and a performance end variables and all that so he reviewed a few months ago the silverstone SX seven hundred g which is is almost identical to this and gave it i think it was a silver silver award at the time so it's a small form factor power supply at seven hundred watts which is that new thing that this this year going going back to see us as win a bunch of companies started getting to that that capacity and higher now in this s. affects form factor the differences between that that original SF s. a. ah s x seven hundred g in this essex seven hundred PT is that at the PTO stands for platinum versus g for gold so increased efficiency assists got eighty plus platinum rating the other big difference is that you get an extra four plus four pin EPS cable so you've got a motherboard that needs to of those you can you can use it and and then of course they also up he warranty the original was on a three year warranty and this new one has a five up here so all good additions to this very nice parsh- pie and so you know i i don't want to go through everything that lee does if you're interested in for shopping for power supply come i'm chuck out the reviews that legarda does PC dot com he goes through all what you get in the box he looks in the inside to evaluate evaluate what kinda passers at has which is actually one of the things this partial pies downsides he goes through the tolerances and the jews in the efficiencies and the fan curves all the good stuff and basically the conclusion for this guy is that it's a very good seven hundred compact SX power supply and it is a true compact unpack a true SF access not what the f. l. so for those real tight small cases it's a good option there for for the for the power that you get in that at that size and it's got a a variable fan speed so the fan will go up as low goes up and be quiet when the loads low everything's great except the eh electrolytic capacitors are only rated for eighty five c and at this price point and at this you know how you say at this at his level of of of quality you're normally looking at one hundred five degree rated capacitors so a little surprising that that's there and also because it is expensive one hundred and eighty six dollars right now you're looking at for ten dollars less you can go to the corsair her SF so small form factor seven fifty and that is a little bit more capacity in terms of total wattage seven year warranty the one hundred and five degree rated caps so get corsair has been pretty disruptive with s FX is for factor with with that affects them and silverstone has generally a better offering in SF x. l. the longer form factor that has a larger fan yeah so if you're if you can possibly integrate l. into the case lee generally recommends you do so but corsairs price performance from the pure you were SF acts like if you need the smallest form factor is pretty tough to beat right now and i was a little surprised that the eighty five ce- caps i wonder you know exactly what the rationale there is or if like the the fan profile is tuned so that they're they're not worried about longevity because obviously they did up the warranty i'm around but it's interesting and like you said check out the review if you wanna see the actual test bench results 'cause he graphs everything in charts everything from his actual sessions with the PSU all right so that's again that's the silverstone s x seven hundred p t and mixture when you're shopping for that you can't to search a seven hundred because you've got the the g. and then there's some other there's the there's the LPT so there's the the long bachelor saying the long form factor PT version so just be careful careful when you're searching make sure you get the right product will fit your needs and your case wrapping up the news and reviews this week we've got something from sebastian looking at the value value proposition of a prebuilt gaming PC oh yes right i actually sat on this for a little while because the products right after i finished reviewing elliot disappeared literally from i think i said the system back like the the second last week of october or something and by around halloween colleen it was gone so i got a hold of my contact with power in like okay what's going on here this system is gone my basically my entire review who is shot at this point because they cannot review something publish something for product doesn't exist so they got me a different product oh no no it's it's just been replaced and so what we're talking about is i buy power you've probably seen them if ever looked at p- reconfigured gaming systems they sell direct they self places like best buy but they they have this same day gaming PC that's a pre configured unit you disorder in actually ship it to you that day if you get it in before their deadline name and so they they're the r. d. y. systems like the ready configurations and those actually are subject to change they explained to me so let me let me just corrupt your real quick so this cost twenty eight dollars and forty five cents that's a pretty good deal that's the place that's the placeholder price might we talk again had some disagreements with a saving my drafts i think in i had a couple of issues like this that came up fix that no the actual price of this was nine forty nine oh okay and so might the whole point of of me looking at this system it was okay we do hardware reviews on a per component basis most of the time so my perspective on this is literally going to be okay but what if i built it myself so they use cases that are quite similar to but not necessarily identical to cases that you can go out and buy us a lot of NCA t- advantix cases with custom front panels or in the case of the replacement for this one a just a totally stock fantastic case replaced this it was actually the one that can't review for us recently i think it was the p. three sixty acts but this particular configuration is at its heart a. b. four fifty motherboard with a rise in five thirty six hundred CPU and a MSI GTS sixteen sixty TI graphics card and there's like as i said in the review nothing wrong with a gaming system that has arisen five thirty six hundred and sixty TI it's a great combo it's like a classic kabul for this era so the performances outstanding it and i didn't get individual performance numbers really because it's like just look up any review of stock sixteen sixty and arise and five because they're the have cooler was up to the task it was using large enough CPU cooler that the case cooling was fine nothing ever really got loud the bill quality was was fine there's nothing really to complain about you could certainly do better on your own but i was like specifically targeting current retail prices on the components on amazon and when i added it all up because i had to pay for a windows license it ended up being about five dollars cheaper to buy the power system that particular day in on like november whatever it was the the first or second week of the member all the pricing so what kind of storage didn't have as a five hundred gig western digital blue as which i'm kind of impressed by those they're they're not going to be the fastest saddam drive you can buy but they're okay and it's there's no spinning media on this at all so five hundred gigabytes it's kind of on the fringe you'd probably you want to add a hard drive to this if you're going to add a large library but that's pretty common anyway to have motherboard heaven envy emmy slot it will although i do not remember it was actually the CSM version two that came in it which was advertised which is interesting oh that's the sort of business oriented one actually i think it does too it's got an does not mean us but yes you could add one of those most turn the peace sixty or sixty p for less than two hundred hundred and seventy two bucks i think that this week what an awesome gaming drive i wonder how long it will take before integrators start using envy drives by default instead of putting i want to know when it gets five g. right well doing it with their laptops so true yeah that's kind of out of necessity though with so many of their models not having room anymore for two and a half drive but what do you think about what propelled desktop how long it took him to get rid of moving mechanical the hard drives that's it might be a while but because so many motherboards have the slots as josh pointed out you know you don't even need to go for a two terabyte get a one terabyte here by six sixty p or coarser grocer was a crucial p. one or samson cuvee all these things are all about a hundred bucks for terabyte pop it in there you're good to go anyway yeah i like like i was saying value proposition hinges on whether or not you have to pay for the OS so if you're putting olympic spilled together if you already ready have a windows license or if you're gonna do that when those upgrade thing with a windows seven key or something and grab yourself windows ten you know then you could absolutely we build this exact system for about one hundred dollars less but i was impressed that the difference between DIY in this system literally came down to the windows license which to me they're they're pricing it right if the only way you could build a cheaper is if you didn't have to pay for the OS so you know i've i power if you're i'm not familiar with them they use off the shelf stuff to build their systems it's not like dell where they actually have a dell OEM motherboard that's made to a specific specification where everything is like just enough to power the CPU's that they've qualified their certain commemorate types or certain memory speeds at PSU is not not ex- it's got its own forgotten custom plugs now be aurora series if you've ever worked worked on one of those uses a kind of unusual power supply size it's similar to a c x but it's always just a little bit different harnesses and suffered we don't even go down that road the what was the wake brand PC was that like cyber power i can't remember sorry by l. we'll go power was was tiger direct slash cities slash whatever else their parent company now owns wins but things like costco and stuff now i think but i buy power is pretty much everywhere on new wagons on best buy what's like the website website and in stores and alternatives like the the greenpeace BBC world of OEM stuff i guess what kind of warranty and support to get i think it's just a year on this double check but i think i had a year on their shelf parts is fine because actually replaced the damn things right right but yeah i mean if it really comes down if you get with that license with the windows license if it comes down to a few bucks like for some people who who don't have the space to put together a PC or don't want to or not comfortable with and it's their first one this gives you this i mean even upgrade path to like because it is off the shelf you can pockets talk you've got you've got the cables for your power supply ready to go if you had a second few something it's all a replace the so yeah check it out and what was the model was it was the same day they're ready system if you're interested but in the review i have the model bottle of the one i reviewed which is no longer available in the one that replaced it linked to that as well but they're they're difficult to remember it's like s i you know too wide g wonder or something it's just they're just a code name for a pre-built configuration that can't come up with and it's only there for so long until they move onto the next figuration they have these price points that are always is there and as the comments pointed out you're just bitter because you've you've had you've had to build so many systems over the years that you just like oh yeah send it to me complete i said in the i responded to that comment it was like as i get older age thing i'm getting burned out but i tried to adaptations on average i build about to complete systems a week and i've been doing that for six years so that's a lot of computers orders that i've literally started from just a brand new case in the box break the seal on it get a motherboard get memory get processor thermal tastes cooler hard-drive you know no graphics card put it all together all the cable routing take pictures of the whole thing do thermal testing do noise testing tear it all down get another case out of the box i i used to come down here to work and when i was just doing cases in coolers of like oh my god venable number system it was like weeks where i'd do three the systems in a week like i can't i can't do anymore and it started to be much more attractive to me just look at you know a pre-built system actually sounds pretty good right now 'cause i i know exactly what's in it like that's fine i'll i'll upgrade it later maybe but let's just not worry about building systems from parts again round right for most people normal people who build a new system maybe every three years it's fun it's exciting i used to get excited about bill computer for became jaded you you know better so not trying to suggest that there's no value and of course we always recommend if you can and are willing to build do DIY you should but yeah our able to or not interested in it or just you know for whatever reason i was just impressed by the fact that they're not giving you some ridiculous up charge to get the system together not going to name names but you can configure yourself a system somewhere annually how much extras it for that CPU and it's almost always like higher within the retail price of the CPU plus you have to consider if you're looking at a system with a rise in five and you would upgrade to the newest rising nine instead dead when you're at checkout a memory hard drives eads they nail yeah it's like wait a minute you're going to charge me six hundred dollars or nine hundred dollars more for this CPU does already more expensive than the CPU itself but then it's like i'm even getting a discount you're you're not taking away the two hundred nine saving thing for the base CPU you're charging me a thousand more for the higher in one so it's it's always better if you possibly can to get the base model of anything anything you could upgrade there's upgrade it yourself you've got to see for us and you saved money but that's when you get into the whole once you get that sophisticated you're just done with rebuilt systems uh-huh because like i'm not ever paying for faster memory or faster CPU professor graphics card ever again from one of these places because it's like apple apple you don't if if you could ever buy a mac with upgradable memory and storage you always bought the base model and upgraded at yourself later later because they just rape you on memorable memory four times the cost it's a great deal you know this five hundred gigabyte SST is just six hundred dollars more yeah okay hundred dollar one terabyte SSD the bills out there because i was looking like you know if you look at the cable management it's not great but it's it's fine it's his name they use the cable routing holes that's all i care about because i've seen pre built systems before we're all the cables are still up front with the components like it's just a rat's nest but at least they shoved them behind the motherboard tray are bent and shoved into one corner very there are some companies that that you're you're paying a premium because they'll do really nice cable management or they'll they're using custom chelsea's they're doing custom liquid cooling early custom like they're building airflow chambers like pete keep puget systems is one of the builders i like because you pay a premium but they do a really good job with like airflow and cable management and and and they they warranty the whole thing and you can send it back to them if there's a problem you have to deal with it but the i y preferable but right all right let's jump into the picture of the week i'll go first i've got something not very interesting but but you know useful if you're like me a lot of driving's things past week you've probably got some more coming up with the holidays mixture you were devices because they charged in the car with a little you know ah i don't do they still call it the cigarette lighter the cigarette lighter to put our is the power the power report that was once upon the time cigarette lighter this one from anchor there are a ton of these out there i found this one recently i had i had a another brand that i was using an died after a couple of years i pick this one up for the holidays so we had something in the car and i like it because it's it's got to ports on it's got a tight bay type c type seaport will do eighteen watts so that's good for your your big iphones even your ipads it's not gonna give you full charging everything but it's better than the built in a a lot of cars have built in usb ports these days in they don't give you enough power it you know they'll trickle charge the the bigger stuff so check this one out of the anchor car chargers rogers twenty bucks and i bought it a week ago and used it in the car over thanksgiving holiday and a great so we'll have a link to that in the show notes all right jeremy what have you got for us oh someone else's turning the power of AI to evil who is amazon so if it is a deep learning keyboard so that you can oh it like a mutual music on typing go see those two as i go with former selecting beethoven's ode to joy coupla actually i don't think i don't know can you guys hear this no no no we can't i'll put it in the i'll put it in post um hum the description is a pretty accurate so you take say your spotify thing and you feed it into this with its deep completes the deep composer console by the way and so it'll take joy and you select one of the pre-trading models so if you want it to sound classical jazzy rocky whatever it's been trained uh-huh and all of a sudden beethoven's ode to joy is being brought to you with drums and over driven guitars at electric bass and it is horrifying it's only a hundred bucks if you know somebody a really disliked has a kid it it probably worth it because oh is horrible but you know you can now compose your own stuff and then some ended up to the cloud to be a auto tuned into something you think this will ever ship the coming soon i know it will joke that somehow i figure it's gonna ship because it is just horrifying enough s i bet on each month trial includes enough to cover four trading jobs and forty inference jobs model during the trial period charges me applied light after it expires isn't modern music mass produced enough already without getting a involved you're let's let's have entire AI bands we're not talking about like the billy idol or whatever her name is so yeah the style of music words like breathe talking into the microphone that everything gets auto tuned and as far as any kind of tune but i'm blissfully ignorant of all that ever listen to modern pop music in a while but i thought billy when i first heard her name i thought it was a guy named named billy i just heard some seventeen jim if you've ever heard of billie holiday i'm way the most famous casino jazz singer fulltime jazz one of all right josh what have you got for us you know what memory emory is so cheap now so this is pretty much the usual amazon price these days for one fifteen you get thirty two gigs of DDR four thirty two hundred i got it for that price gonna throw it in my main machine because even though i don't really need thirty two gay i wanted thirty two gig and for one hundred fifteen bucks a solid set of dims and that those old boy but you can get get for ninety nine bucks i have no idea the quality of their parts like everybody else's rejected icees yeah they they scare army and so i don't take a skill at least as good corsairs good crucial good so yeah cheap sleep for a timing pretty good to like sixteen eighteen sixty eighteen eighteen fourteen sixteen sixteen but oh yeah they're crazy expensive these are perfectly fine all right so if the g. skill ripa's five the exact product that josh josh is referring to we'll have that in the show for you and sebastian what if you got force pick you could possibly imagine it's a bamboo dish rack jim graphics card storage it's going to be motherboard and nice awards so i i look for building it all together to build your own nail nails to sleep or something you could try that maybe it would be be like a massage implement of some kind of lay on it by sherwood be horribly uncomfortable but i think most of the people by these by them for things like book storage and in and storing other items upright they get decent reviews i actually haven't received them yet i just ordered these i'm so waiting because of all things these this four pack of bamboo dish racks even though it was prime shipping was like five day shipping several where these are coming from world when i get them i'll give you a four report on their quality and whether or not they actually hold up motherboards without tipping over and damaging expensive computer potent better by a bag googly eyes to stick on the end of each one of those posts i just have to raid the craft drawer upstairs i'm sure area virtually is in various sizes and you know the requisites and if they're not stable allen's got some rubbish bins that you that he picked once that you can use to stabilize them that's the one thing like these are probably be screwed down onto something there i had this idea of having them on the wall but that that work that i'll do something with them but my current storage for motherboards is any flat surface has a board on it all the time so they're all over the place the sitting sitting on a speaker or sitting on a shelf there's like a board with a cooler installed on it somewhere it's not good well let's the the the law away by way four-pack of bamboo wouldn't destroy the way the wild these able bamboo abu they are not motherboards shelves yes you see i can't remember her name the the the executive the wa oh executive pleaded not to have the the wall way hearing televised because she was afraid that trump would start tweeting during it like draw attention and so not oh you mean why almost neighbor the one whose stock have choose between one of her two mansions mansions in vancouver that she needs to stay yeah she owns for you not szilard one but we'll see we'll see how does it will also check out these law way for at la ways i'll give you a full report jeff and all all the links of course as always in the show notes well that's the the chauffeur this week thank you all so much for joining us we hope everyone had a great thanksgiving as as we 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Podcast #563 - i9-9900KS, GTX 1660 SUPER, AMD Q3 Results

PC Perspective Podcast

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Podcast #563 - i9-9900KS, GTX 1660 SUPER, AMD Q3 Results

"This is the PC perspective passed between Josh where Wolf Welcome to the perspective Gula cast episode five Emme Hallstrom. I'm Josh Walrus I'm Sebastian Attain Yeah I mean the twitch today sorry it's podcast day yeah right trying to figure out what's on the skeleton that's taken the place of Jeremy this they did say yes but it was just too funny not to put a spider on I feel so not in the spirit of Halloween I'm sorry man sorry I'm just trying to get the chat is as always and to have a halloween edition scheduling stuff pushed it as it has it has Baston as as being as the concern is being expressed in the chat is going to his a lovely autumn sent wafting I think is the right term I was going to go that far but okay sorry to song I asked for no no couple of holes poked in the door although that'll be changing with daylight savings changing here very shortly but we'll have a we'll extreme just to remind you of course you can always catch her shows on demand by subscribing audio and all that good stuff as well as invites to our discord we have a a discord community we don't have any any real funny or scary things to talk this was the part that Intel very sneakily have their little reveal of this part and and of course it's now available twitch stream I had the other night basically it's learned about the bonding of this satin finish paper I don't it might actually have you know it's it's holding up better than I thought I've used this both have it's simply the paper lining of this box which on shape that's been cut out of these it's the dense foam I think it's a although it to try to make up for it they did include this nice fabric bag so ended up to these lights back here you can kind of see right through the bag so now the quality of the because of course and of course our skeleton is now hanging from the this is a ninety nine hundred K. is coffee lake it is fourteen nanometers it is Intel is doing it for you out of the box guaranteed five gigahertz all core very good cooler on it I think Intel's been demoing it with a two hundred forty her or two hundred forty millimeter I was to use like a Corsair each one oh five hundred fifteen or some larger double width we all know that that number goes up if you're forcing all core not enough comparison benchmarks on the new platform with an all core load and the chaos is measurably interesting I did multiple runs of Senna Bench and it was just edging out the K which sample of the K. but it does not seem to perform quite as well as the new K. I'm almost thirty seconds on classroom for example but but threaten to get even better performance out of it why would that Josh I leave I leave hyper threading day try I don't know about you I feel like those you and as a result we I have not given us nearly enough money for you to do that so come on vary it is and it is interesting how the ninety nine hundred K. because like one to two core utilization workloads it should be hitting roughly doc I mean you can take it's important to reiterate here you can take ninety one hundred k. you may so this is something that they're putting into the market and you know what was the one thousand unit price is actually listed as a range now with new Eggett five sixty nine yesterday a micro center was selling their bridge CPU. I don't think anyone's been closer to about you but I was thinking of a processor that has been selling for about four version you'd think you'd pay a decent premium for that it's something like that yeah there there is no guarantee Midgley with Intel where it will hit these frequencies and it'll hit them within that even is certainly consumes more power than that in all of course in adventure but I so if you're doing each tattoo sixty four or whatever kind of encoding the encoding tests the renderings all total system because there's a lot of factors on the chart it shows I I think two hundred eighty but there's also the overhead of the power supply to be considered it was eighty plus gold and all of that so I would assume this is still pulling close to he's Intel processors and MD's are nine thirty nine hundred x under load does consume quite a bit less power in this ks was consuming talked enough to get it stable at five Gigahertz by pouring a lot of extra voltage at it aim performance so as far as that goes if you're looking for just a twelve twenty four threads from the reason part at five hundred dollars it is going to beat wants the high end desktop arts come out from Intel the core series which of course are going as it turns out is actually closer to six hundred dollars at retail as my son apparently is trying just kinda beats the pants off of Intel and especially in power draw usually it's you know though what the ninety five seventy I five ninety which I think is buried teepee of something like two hundred and twenty watts but obviously was there at least constantly cut itself back those days are gone kind of the wrong branch badly they didn't predict I missed that too I'm like okay yeah one year warranty Blah warranty and with the nine hundred KS it's twelve months call attention to it that that so that that's interesting now of course that's tied warranty thing where you can spend an extra twenty something bucks and not the case okay I don't buy it at Microsoft I don't know if it's if every outlet is processor and it was and it had damage and it was clearly caused by you running the processor assurance so go ahead and overclock it and if you do it they'll replace it for you but again now I mean if somebody does try by over clocking you can make the argument that that intelligent protection plan okay but you know he's still GonNa win at that five hundred dollar price point with thirty nine hundred x and in task those will be coming up in the one task the one gaming like test he did the three my three at that and say okay do I want the absolute best performance at any cost you say okay fine render videos faster and things like that then you look at the rise inside and say well that's probably your better bet but there's no arguing with with physics I mean there's or just a pre overclock especially bins to run those speeds at a lower two thirds yeah which is unfortunate considering and then you do the same thing it's like Samsung it's like the ads the knowledge Frito cutouts for cameras on the front of their phones now everybody does the same stuff avenue perplexed look on my face okay fair enough it's nothing personal it's just but check out Sebastian's initial review and then he'll have more in terms of gaming tasks it's probably going to win these gaming tests the question of how much and what that means suffering S. at low resolutions try to show differences between CPU's with same graphics. I did today the ultra I'm thinking well you know we're getting into where would start view and run Games at seven twenty but if you're simply testing we're not creating enough seaview bottleneck so this time I said Okay I'll we've all tra benchmark runs and then I S- lowered the quality settings issue but I've done testing on the low resolution as well so a pointless exercise 'cause we could just add a few percentage points to the ninety nine hundred results is on the am decided not going to go on another rant about Jesus Code but olds are out there you can find them but those are not finalized yet I'm whatever that's going to be so as of right now I've actually seen a revision and only the second time I've been testing rice and see us on that current firmware which in performance make these Intel parts look even better by comparison the gaming results that's kind of is launch is because of Jesus and I've actually had laced that into the charts now we're looking at a with at that time just to make it personal clear and make Senate to the results though Jim I can't do this only to throw away one of your days of testing entirely because you realize that memory I I just general it would have to actually publish a review to have my benchmarks may not so the I will run on every platform going back to it wasn't arm and if I have to do like free dos on a modern computer to run a dos I an original case six I didn't it'll me too big code to run setup and trade so we'd have to eliminate the three eighty six that can only execute I have a pr one sixty six so it's one hundred thirty three Megahertz uh-huh okay they didn't really have that he are rating was absolutely acquired a case six three four fifty which is supposed to a lot of stuff done pack there we have to go back in time to learn about the future I didn't get to the point of why you would WanNa do all this this is show could possibly choose to do for fun like actually have like Catalan in blender BMW can do that can it can it run who during the height of the bitcoin craze there was a video where he manually hatched term selfless listen move onto the next review we've got something that we tease last along I'm trying to be quiet but you know pentium and the Max I haven't I I buy for myself box processors I don't think I've just the news on but we're we're their retail box andy processors before the X. p. case six and that every time I bought one came in a tray or you know yeah and that's what the some of the game where The act sixteen sixty super the seemingly never ending ear to before another release to make a reviewers life as difficult oh everybody had to devote time to benchmark graphics cars while they were also benchmarking new processors and oh you're holding the golden fingers and whatnot okay good yes show Joshua's rooting around his office for solving all right here we go wasn't within earn L.. SR WE ARE THOSE SR twenty to twenty five Zhou faded a bit up to thirty three I've got that somewhere else but this is the case six hundred sixty six it was the only no is the worst heat sink you know he's better design ever and and they were using that heat spreader yeah I mean as the case six to yeah and then yes here's here's ends Sammy pens and then of course you know Ambi had these hundred serious some use you're making me read this stuff it's just too hard I'm too looking at Youtube Chat we're the wind ships says hurled exactly Nah if you check out the model seventy five dollars say it's new and seal but you I want I look at the x fifty the true king talking for so long about other stuff the sixteen sixty super if you look at it doc and boost clock of the sixty two super are exactly the same as the original three and it's based on the same to you one sixteen GPU so not only that but they clocked it at the highest data rate that of a bit memory bus and with goes from one ninety two with Ti so they've created this weird product that starts their gaming X. cards which are the high factory overclock a pretty hefty thirty dollars over the list of two seventy nine for and ten dollars version of sixty ti the super was within it goes from seventy seven point two on average with the original sixteen sixty and that's the game like nine hundred ninety nine percentile went up everything kinda scales nicely here and there's a difference of fifty plus dollars between these two jeep us and for this attended ultra metro exits it was only two point six frames doc in separating these in most of the tests so I've kind of that the pricing for the longer even makes any sense so ornaments for fifty dollars or more less is pick out a it told media and our our call before this launched that the sixteen sixty the results for the other supers is this a bigger percentage stock Arctic twenty seven performance almost exactly although I I don't know four percent range close but yeah it's twenty seventy within five to ten percent of the twenty eighty across the board any super four ninety nine and get almost all the way there but with the twenty don't need retracing depending on the game actually I found this car to still getting well over forty to fifty frames per second on average forty high and still very playable experience and sixteen series lives and it's not really playable I'm he's under forty frames per second on average to acid makes the jeep you the benchmark but seventy two fourteen forty ultra Amer and on its Were this manages to get about forty eight for instance second on average tested in our x five eighty this review with the latest drivers as of like the the super is at high seventies in the Rx five eighty is in low picard that they're they have specifically positioned that to be there ten eighty series family but right now if I have about two hundred dollars suspend and anticipating this launch. Amd Of course they have gained bundle promotions going on right now if you're simply looking to stretch your dollars far as possible to prove a little bit by a card for the next year or two this is probably the best we started off the year with a like we were at he's sixty that was the ten sixty s successor what the pricing was too as if to answer the complaints about higher pricing and Invidia you know on artifacts there no RT cores and I forgot to talk about in this review was in the news posts that accompanied it but the sixteen obviously this was just improving now so it'll use PD are six and it's one of these super cards if invited is going to continue to do super every year stood because I you you look at it in in every way it's a faster more capable but how will be price because right now is sixteen fifties to sort of out of the gate at such high prices you know like Josh do you into manufacturers that like copy text time or not copy copies compound product that every single price point they don't WanNa seed any price points let's see in some different kind of skew and it's it's the eighty Ti and twenty eight super ride that exists is a a tremendous amount of product there but that's really the of the market as they're pushing product at a higher level as compared to like one hundred eighty five and you come up with twenty five dollars yeah it's you're so much granularity in in that net space it's has to fit in this this this product range get these more and and to differentiate their products and they've got six different designs view the you change components are you got different you know different source all that stuff and it's because it's not much money to get not a significant upgrade a apparently we're the entertainment and the car this evening so and they oh so you have to put up with George so I mean their tolerance is high you know this it may not be may be confusing in terms of the pricing and performance because because I'm Michelle I mean that's why I was obviously I was told to give it the editor's so are you also in a seuss and gigabyte and Shell Nvidia I mean I I give it the editor's choice I chose to do this even though it's an invidia product yes but they have their margins videos set the base price of this to twenty nine so their back for doing this later on down the road partner agreements work but I haven't emailed the MSI like I just WANNA double check on pricing before I publish this like this has the same twin frozen seven cooler that all the other gaming X. Cards has has view so eight say MSI but I don't know why anybody would want to buy free aren't you wait maybe I got a special version because Oh gee bees yes very that could be you you you have in your system right now Jim I'm sure you'd love to move to a sixteen sixty super you'll have to names nobody's any supers I didn't get anyway let's Drop sennheiser fifty eight x jubilee the product often times the product is custom addition or custom run from partner IT products keyboards headphones. Even things like fountain pens and stuff like that at the headphone that is I was one hundred I think loved these I know tell us about what's what's your take on this I don't know if you one of this is based on his a legendary headphones it's based on apparently the HD it says mass drop on the box they have censor- onto a corporate rebranding where they're simply drop of it they've just sent review at going through other like this have an open back design so they can have it's on these and they're a little bright they have a little bit of a top end boost on them so hurts range that two to four killers ranges boosted up quite a bit with with great os and onto which was describing it as sort of a sizzling top end that I couldn't say that these are great because Chris thinks they're great afterwards myself go to anything else even if it's technically measurably better it'll sound different they squeeze your head to tight they kind of feel like the clamping forces a little too high will be as high as it was for like the signature original product are they going to be built any worse I mean if you could go out and right compelling because they're less expensive significantly so you can go out and ebbs promotions where they're offering these discounts out of you find one of the reviews forty four these I think I might even take the chance on that having not earn them for one forty liked him enough to give him a gold award so and indiscriminate to expand any kind of commission or anything they sent the headphones to Chris I believe he gets to keep them there's no affiliate or advertising deal at all so I just you know and I said sure let's I think it was just hey if you use this you're gonNA drop dot com it automatically lowers the price Chris writes for Emma MMORPG'S DOT dot com or dot say to as a master up customer I've done a few drops through through them in former intern can will one point I guess was the icy I used to link US stuff in our our channel the time like mass trump would have this or backdrop would have that we looked at the new sennheiser drop like I don't know what the says I feel old and stories right no I wouldn't touch that franchise disagreement there so Hartford this wait wait did the nordiques failed to say that EA EA a anymore because they took the NHL Franchise off pc they took most to that but hey you know go go Montreal Expos I'm seven and like you know they keep talking about the they showed like Walter Johnson and this is the Montreal Expos you can from US Montreal Expos has not sure exactly what happened to these Canada well I mean the they are still my team as though you were rooting for the nationals dealers fan are you now at Tennessee titans fan like no you move with the team no Cleveland browns sorry simply moved to a different town they changed their ramps or who ex defoe whereas but I feel bad but I I don't fall I up until now Arts Marge Schott owned the reds yeah very very famous of course when it comes to baseball the mets are my favorite squadron I do like the wife wouldn't she liked the mets of course because they're not in which when I was growing up where the affiliate of the Indians and then what was there wait what what did he buys in a little concerned about this or here in my owning large Bison herds now don't Josh don't you mean Bison finally we've been seeing rumors about this for a while they finally updated their shield line that kind of just sits in line with your your cables behind your TV oh an Amazon Echo but Jeremy John Lewis vote apparently part of the voice activation isn't just changing channels it will actually actually moved in a week but you know it's the thing other than that it the the interesting in to see just what effect it has on usability any dolby thing you can mention needed for K support at thirty frames eh basic one is about the same size as the remote itself Oh it's resembles attach each product more or less the lovely thing for some of these products after you've been using them for a while because you don't tend to replace Okay at Thirty Hertz it's you get chrome cast it hooks up with plex in videogames it is probably not at the beginning it's it's support for android Atlantic's is abysmal so it sort of sits right in there the the high end key will box and hopefully the remotes battery lasts a little longer. 'cause I've had the previous to shield doc I'm to order another another remote because I don't think the batteries era areas of course comes on fire fire stick about this particular one if they've locked it down into the security but previous models you could load power there so that's the stream error Lennox ISOS I couldn't believe how many classic publishing novels in e Pub format there were the Bible on there which I was impressed by it's a controversial book you've got to account for assaults reporting time amd had some some results share a it was their highest revenue quarter since two thousand the made something like what one hundred twenty million net out of but part of that was offset I mean there's semi custom really took kind of a nosedive waystation five in the future next generation of xbox what is the codename Humane they're too big customers and win those two guys are in order and even though that's still a small number of of you know Hamm anything that really compete well with dance high number threads he say four point oh the IO guys but it will be I mean to it's a big big improvement for tough both in graphics and CPU so they had a jump there billion for q four or q three when it all comes and shakes out like two thousand four but yeah no it's it's it's a because data needs and compute needs are are so off a lot of the things about md like you know how many seven nanometer chips they are actually GonNa Ethics in in in Cpu I'd imagine right now it's it's very heavy CPU because it's a nice step forward for Amdi and their seven type environments not so much we APPs I mean Oem's sell to the retail market but group sold off you know fifty five percent amd processors this last month differences is going and MD has a good product and they're making two nanometer issues then tells having and they're really leveraging fourteen nanometer triplets that they're well-designed that they interact with their I o core good and so they can really mix and match you know obviously that the best bands I know mix and match and stuff with with below that and they're selling a lot of guys really good considering how books that the FABS are doc or ask for any more runs because it's already it's already booked he's triplets in the fact that the percentage loss might cordier we should be seeing the third edition of Thread ripper and the and then right after that hopefully we'll have a renoir for mobile sent to for so many revenue streams they're entrenched but you're looking ahead everything been very good and it's one product basically and whereas with every everything on on good to see competition good to be healthy and stable here's another looking at corsairs one the courts are one pre-built system from Corsair and this is of course before they went out and bought origin PC system and who who did this it was I'm sorry I build in a traditional chassis as like a traditional diy and how compact this chassis Oh yes in in 'cause when we saw these that's yes and you compare if you're looking at the video version as the picture of what Tech Age and despite the size difference Corsair performed very well beating their this article but it's it's a nice little system you're still going to come out ahead in terms bucks okay and what was the retail this Can you build a system you can certainly build a system for less than that with similar SPEC all right so check I built with my own two hands were you have to have like a DP with custom cooler on it and Sebastian at their precedent it's Es the course Adam Ah a lot of the companies like Corsair that started getting into selling their on PC's super costume clean lines good engineering it looked really cool and my only conformed the other small form factor thing that we did see quite a bit of it see Esl a couple of years ago was we've talked they had US electrical system aw yes you compare the you've just as make yourself spend thirty five hundred dollars on a eighteen back pro like the vortex we're looking at the next video if you're watching the video here I guess it was always sa with that wasn't it a twenty two hundred bucks and it had to match fall I mean it should be you know I like how hd on twitter was showing she's like OK guess the macro is launching December twenty first then because that's still technically move on because we are gone a little late here

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Even Intel is Impressed by AMD's Progress - WAN Show June 28, 2019

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Even Intel is Impressed by AMD's Progress - WAN Show June 28, 2019

"We welcome to the show ladies and gentlemen a if you have any issues viewing the stream a go head over to twitch dot tv slash linus tech it seems to be working just fine on twitch we have done as much diagnosis as we can a while the stream is off line end as far as we can tell we have no idea yet started working all eight tests channel and it looks like it's still a little worked right now yeah oh so that's pretty sweet i dunno 'em so there you go with the bug now it's just doing the same thing of just which is yeah well with yellow for a while at first on stream as well so so we don't know i i it doesn't say anything jake hovering over it does nothing it just says okay here's may be experiencing minor issues and then they'll probably turn green green while everyone was complaining left on so we're gonna start over and we've got a great show show for you guys today a the big news i mean idea of yup johnny i've is leaving apple but it's also not be under the world because he is going to continue to be involved okay yeah so apple might be okay i got a or i mean it all depends on whether you think apple's okay now so far better you know talk about a more later on intel intel's internal memo reveals that they are impressed by amc's progress now that is a high praise indeed that is frisbee in an internal memo that's pretty high price but again like i said before we killed the stream internal memos are basically just blog posts have you read the memo though no it's pretty impressed will talk about talk about who they really are also known this was going to hit media in going hitting be yeah i guess i don't understand what they could possibly get okay well talking about more later yup silently two point oh spec announced and it's amazing an probably i'm assuming still won't work at the distances at a laser can identify people based on heartbeat over six hundred feet away which sounds totally not creepy at all i'm about intro intro housing actor i don't know pretty oh my god they're on the raw july savage jerky marinas end squarespace oh here comes the trains that totally needed yeah that's what we needed more more issues today yes that's friday ladies i will say in amazing video that i don't know if it's on youtuber not yet but be hired frustrate gaming video yes that actually hit you to buy yesterday train segment was hilarious that actually happens far more often around here then you guys would probably think i mean it's one of those challenging things where the only place that you can find affordable commercial real estate a go figure happens to be next to the train tracks because nobody wants to lives there because nobody wants trains rolling by all kinds of the night and day when they're trying to sleep or go about their daily life it's just something that we have to deal with because 'em i don't even i don't even know if there is any industrial not near dry not near train tracks or like a super highway superhighway heavy trucking road yeah something like that yeah so anywhere where you're where you're gonna have a ton of noise pollution that's where you stickier commercials zoning at least here in the in the vancouver area so the reason the reason it was particularly peculiarly bad in that video emitted interrupted us more than it normally would like sometimes we would just roll through it like right now the trains going you guys can't really hear it was because in order to shoot high refresh rate video we had to have the bay doors open to get as much natural sunlight that's why it was a problem interesting so every time you double your frame rate and you lose an f stop is that right running loose and stop yeah okay so when you go from thirty sps which is what we normally shoot at two sixty you lose a stop when you go to one twenty eight you lose nothing you go to four you lose another you're gonna for eighty illusion that and then you go again to a thousand you lose yet another one so by the time you turn something up to a thousand frames per second if you were trying to use the scene lights that were using right now at thirty frames per second you're basically looking at a dark frame yeah like there's not much left 'em actually could we could we compare that or could we yeah like do we have enough aperture is on the cameras were you a chance to shutter speed highlighted i i'm just change the aperture which ones aperture this is great oh hey we got the readout on over yes so everyone you see that that's kind of nice okay so where here yeah this is a thirty frames per second and so there's stop so remember this is going from thirty to sixty okay so now were at a hundred money so this is what it would look like at two forty that's what it would look like at five hundred frames per second and then mrs so guys to put that in the proper context it looks so bright now the onscreen displays oh yeah do you mind brennan so to put that in context 'em right now were shooting risk to six soft boxes in order to well look natural so so yeah so you basically need direct sunlight now normally when you're shooting in direct sunlight you would actually apply what's called a neutral density filter andy filter directly to the front of the lens in order to block out a ton of the light but when it's high refresh rate you're doing west you want as much ladies you can possibly get even west as much natural light as we could get some of it was still pretty dark especially in the upcoming mouse latency testing video that will be releasing in the next little bit here 'em people are discussing aperture oh like aperture science wait jake turn monitoring off those headphones i still clearly there's yeah there's a loud voice unplugged though not a problem yeah i could run the fat oh i'm sorry i thought it was on the front knowledge way around the back okay that's enough and it's cable man it's oh boy way down oh gee forget it i'm just gonna bury them notice put the money you're shirts i'm just gonna over here okay cool shut up okay sounds good at this that's the problem i run into whenever i'm not the one who set things up because it's like it's not complicated it's just you know which a which audio sources map to which output but like if i didn't do it i don't know exactly the way that someone else configured it and there's also hardware ways to do that with are set up seems like you're dead setting up you're home theater system in the nineties like no one's allowed touch it out after you know a lot of anything logic harmony remote changed my life because because it's relatively speaking once you get you're i are blasters position that's the main challenge is getting your ira blasters in all the right places so that it actually consistently activates andy activated things also i had to contact larger tech support to change i think i've ever my tv or receiver i had to get them to add the menu option for power on and power off instead of a toggle no it was my home theater pc that's what it was so the only option by default is power toggle an end as if any if you've ever used the universal remote before you'll know why that's a freaking problem yeah because as soon as it de synchronizes every time he tried to turn on journal turns it off and you end up in the stupid flip flop you have to get off hereby which is what you didn't wanna do always wanna believe video games or watch tv yeah you have to get off your butt and go manually turn it on and off and so this i complain about this they went oh yeah that's a known issue we have to go into you're harmony account an ad that option for you and i went that's not a solution so yes my home theater works perfectly but can i recommend the harmony remote someone else who has a media pc as part of their tv set up no i can't because that is a phenomenally stupid solution into the problem that should just be an option because for pretty much everything else in my set up i could decide what activity was so so freer activity you can decide what the commands it sends okay so my tv tv has power on her power off or toggle i couldn't decide and what that's when you launch and when you end activity you can tell it which ones do but for whatever reason pc didn't have that option at least when i said or someone who never mad harmony why do you even have to tell it but it's a pc 'em well when you you have to tell it it's a pc because whenever it takes they i are input which is a watch pc is what i call nine so watch pc it needs to blast so one after the other all the things that go with it so has to say receiver fire up receiver change to this and put a real and then it has to go tv fire up tv make sure you're on this input then it goes pc wake from slate so it has to know what back code is supposed to be okay 'em so event may be so mad because i was like holding my old microsoft's media center remote like okay we have on and we have off so clearly those codes exists cause some devices don't have it yeah and that's just a problem on the device level yeah for the normal and i know so menu if you wanna recommend this any one of the home theater pc you have to say by like before you leave the store or no you'd have to set up an account get home and part of the account creation process is calling on a half the yeah you're just gonna have to get now inlaw detects defense the harmony support excellent okay but it's still made me really mad that i had the tops of the other thing that i should be able to do within the menu targeted anybody makes me mad so like totally here there's like why don't we move into like the big news this week job johnny eyes leaving apple so for those not familiar he's the bald guy with the british accents in the commercial yeah unapologetically plastic guy yup 'em so he's he's their chief designer was chief design officer is leaving the company apple announced it on thursdays that's yesterday i'm he's considered and you know i guess it depends who you ask a spy many people i'm sure there's lots of people internally at apple over like yeah maybe it's time to move on you know it depends who you ask i i suppose but he's considered one of the most important people at apple responsible for industrial design and the look and feel of all major apple products including me i thought i phone and the mac which really raises the question what do people do not sign department yeah i'm i'm actually serious right now because they have so many design it maybe maybe like taking his ideas and actually creating like this he just draft ideas maybe and here's another question apple doesn't actually have that many products or okay another thing okay three after but with apple yeah they seem to over credit individuals really hardcore right so that's like this individual person who's responsible for everything that happens a lot with apple so maybe he's the chief design officer so maybe he ran those things from all major product but i have that or not the way that it gets communications i completely agree but that has been a thing with apple longtime so either apple basically runs on like eight people yeah or there's maybe something else going on this has been true for like the history of apple so anyway where people are gonna be on me including ipod i phone and so he's worked at apple for more than twenty years and he's gonna start his own design business called love from with capital l capitol f which i'm sure is very important to stream way on apple will be his first client so he says while i will not be unemployable still be very involved i hope for many many years to come 'em he doesn't have an immediate successor so so yeah this thing there's a couple of alan diane evans hanky a will report to jeff williams apple's chief operating officer while i reported directly to tim cook there's a note in here that says i was first noticed by returning ceo steve jobs because it's colorful design concept of these imac so he's all like kerry by the handle colorful transparent imac guy if i recall correctly yes that makes sense in terms of timeline yeah gosh i'm all right now so anyway that's both and then also sort of a nothing burger just because 'em he's still gonna work without apple he's just heartache i don't think they've had very inspiring designed for a while well okay so this is where i okay so this is where it gets kind of so i say a lot that i feel like apple products are designed for people who don't have a lot to do 'em so if you look we're okay hold on yeah quick pause sure wins that competition happening a oh a not for a few weeks i think okay yeah so what he's referring to is be editing showdown a jonathan morrison from tld is gonna be coming up here to compete in an editing showdown west are very own tearing down he mart there'll be like a guy should have any like quick hot takes bobi other platform thing before the competition like independently so so terron and jonathan will make their own comments but i am not there to editorialize oh i will be mostly hosting the show down oh cool that's all we are so are working on it and louise liberty judges okay god i'm not going to comment on their status yet because i don't want there to be any pressure on them or anything but i have certainly reached out for the premier side of things we we want it a panel of four judges a two that are more steeped in the final the final final cut ecosystem okay into the gutter more premier folks okay and so i have reached out to uber from hardware connex as well as on nico from need quarter digital drew oh cool man i have received receptive responses from both but none of them are confirmed okay so i would love to have them on are panel of celebrity judges but it's always complicated coordinating people with such busy schedules oh yeah here in the studio valuating raiders are difficult to wrangle it really and i don't blame it all i totally get it because my schedule is stupid literally have no idea when he's in the country you're not okay so back to my back to my point about apple products seemingly being designed for people who don't have a lot to do 'em have you ever used apples calendar app no it's utterly worthless and you're only like you you just counters great you can't say even google calendar okay so yeah that's good so even google calendar compared to there's a third party i called business calendar that's only available for android not available on i o s and it is full beast mode like tiny text you can configure it this way you're gonna have like tiny tax you could actually reid everything and you could actually tell what the hell you're looking at meeting coordination encounters fantastic though yes so the main thing i like using it for apple's calendar out by comparison simply has there's no way the configure it with the same degree of display density okay so it seems to make the assumption that you i either don't have a lot on your plate or you have all the time in the world to drill down and look at saying oh you mean like okay i thought you meant in terms of one like he wants to build a redo everything of one task but you mean you could redo your entire day when mickey really carry the entire month of like all their agenda items for that day from the month view on this business calendar at and it's just it's a whole other level like 'em i i was telling you bond because she had issues where she had some issues with android because let's face it there's some issues with android she had some issues with andrew and i said look you're trying i fell in front of it and she tried it and she's like this is completely unusable because there isn't a replacement you tried every counteract fry less also really annoying i have to carry one now and i won't stop yelling at me about apple pay yeah yeah i know right i'm like everything else it's like you should use this preacher i'm gonna pop up to the million time i don't wanna turn into a rant about eyelash yeah but if you don't have a senate there's no way to disable the hey there's no sim installed you're in ipod right now okay but it has butter with it cannot handle that's like no i am i phones yeah i am a phone where is you're sim card i do service in a i was born with sim card privilege so yeah oh yeah look at this asteroid week says 'em or asteroids says week mode in business calendar is v fast yeah yeah pretty much as so so anyway so i i ended up i end up with some sort of observation almost every time i go to use an apple products because be amount of sort of manual drilling down of things 'em just annoys me and you know what i paddle west looks like it's going to address a lot of my complaints about i o s on a large screen device high tide helping very fascinating i apple seems determined to resurrect this sort of i won't say failing but i will say stumbling business unit they'd had a really hard time convincing anyone who already has and i pad that they should get a new one and that's been my i still be only tablet in my house and i had to because all of the things you're gonna do with it doesn't really matter of fact you could still do it just be fun for the kids in front of it when i need a break that basically it's only you entertain the young ones like end the thing two men i don't even use it for that that often but it's still perfect for that because it's and i pad so you leave it for two weeks and the battery still alive you can never do that with an android tablet an so the very occasional time but is it it's ready to rock an island go taken at the atm machine the machine machine creates that that would actually be an adorable commercial they would never do that apple's marketing collateral is all about what a creative intellectual person their product turns you know but like you're not getting harassed it would be cool if they just named it like a million different things and they could even go back that like put ice there and then rotate the word and they could like like for this person see i nap and it grade snaps for them for someone else that's likely i create and they can throw that yeah crap in and then for someone else it's it's like game whatever i feel like that could be actually kind of day would never knew it would never do it speaking of things i thought they would never do intel internal memo reveals there impressed by empties progress yeah this is kind of hilarious while so i'm gonna try and bring up the actual mental because it's freaking awesome okay yeah here it is on tech power up if you guys wanna redo the whole thing make sure you head over there 'em but basically here we go we are now entering the latest chapter of the tech industry single long running business rivalry in telling nbc had been competing for many of the same chip customers more than fifty years i'm like this is this is tech power ups introduction wears a mental thing following indies blah blah oh here it is why md is now way fermentable competitor while was action not alone i saw the heading in the internal memo let alone is huge right oh man so they basically go yeah they've had two years of greater than twenty percent annual revenue growth a thanks basically to rise in an ethic and then they pretty much attributed not entirely but a big part of it to be strategic refocus on premium high performance products now i do have to look at that and go i feel like it's a little bit over simplified end even misleading i'm sure if they md could have dealt high performance products five years ago they would if they just had nothing yeah like they had straight up nothing until right now i mean it's not like it's not leg zen doesn't scale down to low performance products they could do a quad core processor if they want yeah i mean okay back to a particularly dark time in andy's history they could build a try core processor theoretically it too yeah they just don't those were not stuck making just that like scaled down just fine beer she was they just had nothing 'em anyway back to back to back to be a memo though so key md competitive threats are from high end products i also think that's kind of that's kind of another funny one because what do you mean by high end products specifically the key andy threat is across you're entire product stack all the way from like hundred to two hundred dollars sifi used which last i checked is pretty low end all the way too many cord data center products which yes is a high end product 'em may be what they're referring to here specifically was andy's focus on atp used because that will indeed focus on ape used because that was the only thing that they could build had competitive performance only because they're on board graphics were so much better than intel's not because the cps cars were competitive maybe that's what they mean by this but like i think again that's um a little misleading is almost everything intel's built in the last few years on the consumer side is an ape you buy andy's definitions yeah the height of the ape you or was kind of a pretty weird time it was a very weird time 'cause everyone wanted to like i think people want to support md said one would flex be ape you gp you performance yeah and then no one would run it that way because is it wasn't really good enough for almost anything yeah really awkward time ahead but can i do for you i'm a night in how how badly do you need them we could get the nfc cool cool thanks at a okay so let's let's have a look at some of these other some of the other side headings here so you man it's like this is like a scary time to be until like i and see why they're sending out this memo it's like look guys we have to acknowledge this stuff andy has recently been gaining some traction winning public cloud offerings it's a pretty big deal yeah on any of these upcoming next generations in court products code name rome servers and motif productive will intensify our desktop and the specially server competition all of the ladder is likely me the most intense in a boat a decade which is another way of saying ambi had nothing for ten years yeah and it's true 'em k i mean they're even acknowledging the new book end the notebooks and business pc competition that's incredible 'em now this is again sort of misleading by leveraging tsmc seven nanometer manufacturing md no longer manufacturers the chips they gotta get that in there andy king dr higher learning the ropes and higher performance 'em now they they acknowledge it later on in the memo but that's not really the main reason that andy is able to drive higher court counts in all performance a yes global foundries did stumble we know this but 'em md wasn't on tsmc seven nanometer note for rising jen one and rising jen one was overturned competition really it just has more to do with andy is modular approach to the core design that is a big part of the reason it md and dr higher court count andy has been driving hardcore counts dental for a couple of years now the big thing that's happening now is see i pc improvements within two that are making these many core desktop processors now competitive even in single threaded tasks allegedly this is also based on md data and or leaks what can i do for you oh yes i here's a prompter and not thinking so one thing that i think is kind of going on in parallel to this is intel's community communication and marketing whatever you wanna call it a not necessarily pr to the the masters because it seemed to be pretty on top of at the very least communicating with enterprise level stuff but enterprise level stuff other than trust in terms of it will work doesn't really care that much no bail used has a lot of these so the thing that you guys gotta understand is for a consumer they buy something with the expectation that it has already been validated for them if you're designing a supercomputer like if we were to go to the very very very high end of enterprise space if you're designing a supercomputer you were in some ways expecting the hardware have problems and you are expecting that you are you are engineering a solution around as part of your design process that's the reason why you'll see the latest supercomputer spinning up when there's literally a generation newer hardware available to consumers or to be smb be marketer whatever the case may be because that design process happens you know eighteen to twenty four months ago so yes they get early access to the hardware so that they can work on this design but there's there's only like there's only so much you can do like this looking just initiate a but i think i think i noticed something so i i went to a lot of conventions rugged packs is like crazy stuff and enter doing something where they pulled out of conventions yeah i was in conventions yeah for very very light huge at packs up until like a couple of years ago i think yeah and that's always like at the start of packs and intel was a big deal there and they held a big deal position for a very long time and they're both kind of shrink and eventually became a little bit less experiential and check it out crazy product and it became look at are partners products and stuff like that but it was still they're still really interesting is still brought ashley a lot of people in compared to many booth on the floor that were hardware base there were very active in corsair is really active and stuff too but they were very active and then that ambi didn't really exist envy you is not what he's doing i'm standing twitch dot tv slash line is back in the chat if people are complaining about leg we don't know what the issue is but it's something to do with youtuber 'em but then again in downey new yeah so for whatever reason are stream is perfect on twitch just go ashley most confusing part is that it is working on twitch but yeah cool so here we go but yeah so right around when intel who had dislike literally complete market share although there's only two of them for processors showing up at conventions they disappear aimed these shows up in amdi show that that was literally the most perfect timing for andy in the worst timing for until about biggest intel loses this like i know are wind conventions is like ridiculous terrible and hard to attract but not too much about that though we ever unconventional yeah but it's a tie into that convention mention this sentiment you get from those people and neither is flu and really strong cap and then they're gonna go talk to their friends and they're gonna talk about forums and andrew whitworth so it spreads out like crazy and when you have the interaction as a hardware company in person i'm almost never have it's super value and that doesn't mean that intil not showing up all of a sudden generate negative sentiment like it's not that simple but intel loses their opportunity to say you know hey were good to right around the time that md is coming in banging this were awesome right now from wherever outlook check it out and like aimed he shows up with crazy bruce now that are really interesting they're doing giveaways they ever they like their boost are banging and they show up out of nowhere yeah it's just a really it's in that seems to be happening not just at the convention level that somewhere where it's extremely tangible you could see it happen intel disappeared md showed up and they completely took over the convention space i've been asked asked as a long time until user by a i forget what there is over twitter on her former something i but i've been asked would you consider an andy chip preview next rid of like of course like the only reason that that i'm not running andy now is that it isn't the highest performance solution right now because the thing is i don't want like this is not this is not a flex things is not like trying to rub it in or anything like that but i am not budget constrained for my computer so i have i've had a lot of people ask me over the last couple of years moon will end these competitive why you still running until because it's faster it'd be the best option if you're building indifferent preorder computer exactly so depending on what kind of a price point you're targeting md might make a ton of sense and i've recommended amdi plenty but no i haven't been using it because why would i well that looks like it might change so depending on how our evaluation of rise in third jen goes it's very possible like people people treat me like i've never had a name de computer you know what just for fun i'm gonna try and list out all the processors i've ever run i can't remember the like i have no idea what i had really really hard okay so the first sifi you i ever owned was up pentium ninety like that's my personal power inherited it from my uncle pentium ninety in like the early two thousands like pretty slow yeah okay so then the first guy ever built for myself athlon x p twenty five hundred plus heck yeah bought me that twentyfive hundred plus maybe then i got a twenty five hundred plus mobile 'cause it over clock a little better over clock that thing the thirty two hundred points but guys andy fans speaking from the heart heart heart here okay we deluding ourselves if we thought that a thirty two hundred plus was actually equivalent to a three point two gigahertz northward say okay we've not i was not a thing that was real two percent of all understand what's going on next dp you was 'em i believe it was egg claw hammer i wanna say it was a thirty two hundred plus it was the one less less cash 'em was or was it was north something shoot capers so not no not get it going get i know you cindy okay so sledgehammer was fx only and then a claw hammer was the single or whatever it was a socket seven fifty four single core off sixty four it was a huge upgrade and the reason that i went to that was because at the time games were predominant basically exclusively single threaded so hyper threading while it was nice freer overall system responsiveness did not make a difference for games and games was ninety plus percent of what i did on my right so i picked up enough on sixty four single core k my next upgrade what's the socket nine three nine thirty nine and the reason that i had to go from seven fifty four nine thirty nine of super pissed off like that's another thing md fans are so quick to appointed pointed intel for retiring they're you know they're motherboard chipsets so frequently and making you buy new motherboards like don't don't imagine for a second that andy's hands are clean and all of this talk at seven fifty four lasted for like ten ten months or something like that i can't remember what it was at nine forty on the desktop was even worse so i went to suck at nine thirty nine and pick myself up this is the most expensive cpr ever bought for myself it was a forty four hundred plus and the reason i went for that was because it was the first consumer dual core processor not counting like i don't even know what i teeny a multi car i dunno does matter the point was it was the first dual core processor that you could buy from the desktop it was the full one may cash one make per core or one meg can't remember 'em compared to be forty two hundred plus which had less cash so that meant that with over clocking you could get full forty eight hundred plus performance which was other they fx line which was basically dumb because it was just been over clocked these other saying a southern may affect flying it was the fastest consumer chip you could get so from my forty eight hundred plus what did i go to i got a note from one sixty five thirty noticing a pattern here noticing a pattern of mdr andy not funny most of my groceries on mb chips is well so i got a note from one sixty five and reason for that was it over clock slightly better those around the same time i picked up as rocks very unique a e g p n p c i express board because i need you jarred at the time and i wanna move pc i express reliever cool who's a great over clocking board shockingly other than the fact that you couldn't run one t on you're memory timings no matter what you did i tried everything all right from there i went to the east sixty six hundred now why would i do that well because conroe was a performance revolution it was a complete game changer in absolutely curbs dumped the aging off one sixty four an andy didn't catch up so from there i went to q sixty six hundred from there i went to q ninety six fifty very temporarily i borrowed that one from work 'em i think it's a q to x ninety six fifty excuse me borrowed that one from work and deleted that i believe it was the first person to ever do you let a q x ninety six it at a work don't worry about it oh interesting from there i picked up eight core i seven nine twenty man that was a beast of a chip got myself a this is right around the time that key mondo went out of business so keen on don't yeah the number came onto the field there any on consumer lineup of memory i don't even know if this is interesting to people might not even be watching i don't care so are there any on brand they had these one hymns liquidating for i think are cost was twenty bucks a pop and at the time that with only one yeah it was wild so nc i act spot everything that we could take an internally we were buying that cost so sick so i thought so i still have some of that any on memory okay hold on one one quick second you're just sort of in that era upgrading the ramblers a huge deal and so i wonder what yes and no no we were a little bit after that ramblas not affecting gaming performance anymore especially because under thirteen sixty six platform it was 'em okay triple channel memory add a little before six memory slots so when i had a worthy two games i think they were two gigs for twenty bucks they were they were two games for twenty bucks and you could get the one good one through ten december when when we first started playing like everquest i never played every everybody had to go get more ram i had a life ever while everybody that i knew i had a dog go get more ram in order play everquest but everything else works i had a job and a girlfriend i did not younger though anyway so okay so i went to a nine twenty then i think at some point i moved to like a like an extremist on that platform that i borrowed from work my instrument that's the only reason why i switched into originally was because i got a retail edge accumulation like this deal way too good yep so of course the price roman sears wild yeah so a retail that speaking of retail edge i believe i went three thousand series through retail edging the numbers right around the time that i became a product reviewer and i started more legitimately getting chips that i could using my personal ridge work so i've been running until since then and actually my personal rig even though i upgraded it i did publish a video about that recently i ended up downgrading it again so i'm 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many more hardware and back then we come back from conventions with it's like bags of swag bag and we were off didn't like technically make more off of swagger then we spent on the tickets and the trip in general which was like wild but that happened many times right now you're lucky if you get like a few t shirts because all gaming companies i'm not that surprised at this is going on it's a hardware base convention the hardware geysers like yeah i take a bunch of stuff so just so cool we have three thousand people coming each day assuming that we sell the tickets end like saturday will be three thousand people yeah so i'm not saying everyone's gonna get like a full outfit in a gaming oh yeah no but we are doing our best to source as much spread it out and give away swaggie as we can and really we wanna encourage participation yeah if people participate they will walk away with something if people don't participate it's gonna be a lot tougher yeah that's kind of the way they want it to be i want lt i told you should be highly interactive yeah absolutely totally makes sense so back to lay a razor is gonna be there a this is gonna be fun there's an escape vr vr experience those loose kp are like a room after move through or something i don't know exactly how it works but it's a third party company that does these cool yeah so it should be pretty cool cool it's just keep your environment it's really trusting and then people actually they can't hear you guys you're off mike honour escaping arman there's trusting that don't worry fine job there's all it'll go regularly regularly are gaming 'em and then there's vr which isn't really vr 'cause it's more just reality but a camera on cars 'em remote cars board game lounge food and beverage mimics is gonna be there and assize gonna be there and then excuse me it's gonna be it's gonna be there in win some cool so this year there's gonna be a bunch of different like hardware brands their food and it's gonna be hard core to like 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computer fantastic if you have to do anything funky whatever it's horrible even a hot tub yeah it is wild hopefully they fix us up in the new version i don't know how much i trust that but but you know hopefully it's crazy fast eighty gigabit per second of raw bandwith affective bandwidth of seventy seven point three seven which is pretty nuts eight k sixty hurts hdr a eight k at sixty hurts and crater the nikkei six years str fourcade a hunter and forty four hurts hdr two times five cases do monitor if you want daisy chain yeah okay at sixty yards so basically this is the biggest leap forward in display port bandwidth ever so one n one point one were eight point six per second so you could do fourteen forty sixty hurts which was a big deal at the time yeah one point two doubled that more little more than doubled that she could do for k sixty hurts that was a big deal because prior to that to run for k how due to cable cable my soup piling on you're display would you really cheesy it was bad times now good one point three one point four could do up to twenty five point nine two so i was actually a pretty small leap forward for k one twenty hurts or eight can't sixty hurts we're dse which is i if i recall correctly that acronym is be compression already lost those compression 'em and then finally deep into plano i love this i love this be like be acronym for the codename for whatever more call it is you hp are sounds like hoover hoover hoover morning seventy seven point three seven percent and so this is a rip playing in speed speed huge not absolutely huge so they got not just one but a few different bit rate modes the fastest moaning display port two point oh will top out at eighty gigabytes per second broadband wets till about two and a half times out of one point three one point four it also introduces a more efficient coding scheme resulting in less coating overhead so as a result be effective bandwidth of the new standard will peak at seventy seven point four so that's three times the physical characteristics deport itself is staying yes that's good of both report the report that we have now you sbc connector v of the dp all note both official ports of the new display port two point oh standard and the number of pens and resulting high speed data lanes is remaining on changed so it will continue to operate over four lanes it also the pocket based approach to communication which means that image data continues to be sent us packets overextend but lincoln's opposed the pixel centric pixel clock approaches and so what has changed is that the rest of the physical layer has been almost entirely replaced so thunderbolt three oh we're thunderbolt three which is now royalty free standard yeah and it's going to be called you sp for i guess except not quite 'cause i think thunderbolt branding intil is still going to be using as sort of like their best in class implementation of the uss before standard that is a sort of that has a lot of optional components 'em so thunderbolt three is truly by directional full duplex linked to lanes allocated for each direction 'em oh and display port is focused on sending large volumes of data just one direction so display port two point oh reverses the two inbound lanes outbound cool that's how she makes a lotta sense unfiltered is it actually works yeah yeah hey i guess actually that's kind of oh yeah we could talk about a laser one sure yeah so a new device develop by the pentagon 'em after the usa special forces requested it basically everyone has a cardiac signature 'em making reid that cardi accenture with an infrared laser apparently works through typical thing like eight shirt or eight jacket which surprised me wow a but apparently not eight vicar like winter coat but still a jacket which blows my mind and i'm assuming they're gonna have i'm i'm kind of wondering if there including like windbreakers as a jacket hard to say i don't know what to do with thickness already do with layers layers might be a problem to i'm not sure 'em but but yeah apparently cardiac senators are already in use for security identification this is happened before a canadian company company at i'm gonna push the name of but i think it's ninety has developed at risk worn pulse sensor as an alternative to fingerprint identification little little crazy apparently it could take a little while fritz kind of lock on but it does work at a fairly far distance i so it's only really effective if the subject is sitting or standing not really like moving around and stuff got it yeah two hundred meters networks from pretty wild that's crazy wild m so one glaring limitation is be need for a database of cardiac signatures but even without this system has its uses but you could probably pretty easily get that especially at like passport stations where people have to stand there for a while you install it and grabbed it yeah yeah 'cause you're you're handing them a pass where you're giving the you're naming all your information so yeah match that up and create a national database released called jetson 'em in practice is likely to be used alongside facial recognition or other identification but in the long term the developers believe in addition to identification it could be used to scan for me as and other conditions remotely and hospitals could monitor the condition of patients without having to worry about the machines which i guess is cool yet i it's just yet another way that big brother will be watching and there's no real presenting at this point yeah there's some kind of hard to screw the futures now yeah just start wearing like a plate over you're always thinking about but it's not just that i think it could see it through you're skin in general yeah i guess they don't even have already already maturing and like you're arm right yeah so you'd have to have clothing well it's only solution lead phobic you'd have to have clothing that like ripples intentionally like actively ripples you'd have to have active clothing active actor by are camouflage all right then also when you guys you guys next week same time same bat channel by filter why britain drink milk cheese super job they preston happy birthday why it a lazy a k forty seven says saying a pulse commercial any other commercials you're inner will be in the know not at this time but it is a service of the media group does offer commercial production it's not something that we publicize a ton 'em sylvie only reason we ended up doing that with pulse waivers just because like i dunno we just kinda ended up chatting about it like it wasn't on yeah i don't even know if it's on her website but yes it is something that we do but no there's nothing really plan right now bob says cutting kicker cupcakes you know not a cake guy or a cupcake guy either give me a good muffin oh yeah okay on this topic wonderful the same others to chocolate chip cookie oatmeal raisin cookies o'neil chocolate chip will only i've had that tomato oatmeal just better in my opinion okay sorry i mean keep going and say i'm not that into chocolate chip cookies because they're usually crappy cookie yeah and they just try to get by on the chocolate yeah doesn't work that way yeah 'em ilya minus will you ever tell us about that colorful dragon tattoo you had about a half year ago now just messing with two guys it's just this brown oh that people thought those real lot of people did wow like three applying it so look fresh for quite a long time oh yeah interesting i just nothing when people yeah 'em video suggestion a collaborative our since he's coming lt x anyway the problem is that everyone in their dog is coming lt x and they're coming for lt x i'm gonna be like scrambling in the league up the lt x and then recovering from lt x so unless they're like hanging around for week that's probably not gonna be feasible other side guy would you agree that car culture and building custom cars modding a similar to the pc space yes oh yeah definitely hey let us decided well five bucks just a c make a funny face gap to granny 'em ryan says linus if you face herself out i'm gonna kermit well what is kermit i dunno hi david says it's been a huge fan of you're channel four years taught me a lot of good work thank you a john says andy will probably moved to a fourth round pick or before intel just a fully not kick them out they probably will oh what did i click i don't know oh no donor omen oh cried a team oh i did i got my new will end hurting with the home door delivery post girl did did apparently say that so you didn't need the go to the post office man canada post rocks in finland great feedback glad to hear the shutter to my wife claire who is probably listening to this tomorrow says seal team rex hey cool 'em midland says good evening linus would you ever consider building their own studio and what would you need in your dream studio what a tremendous question so if i built my own studio first i would start with the ground floor looked like a library kind of like a quiet place to sit and editing done frawley editors to say we work together and collaborate like a camera area where we could build up are rags and tear them down and store them safely in like maybe a bathroom upstairs firm that i thought the boardroom i put my office i put her office for my wife who does all day accounting so she needs privacy i put another small office just in case we needed it in the future maybe a nice open space so that we could put cubicles there's something like that nice nice another bathroom probably yeah they're not expand it okay so i'd put nick and my wife's office i put her in mind and then i'd move over to the other side whether it'd be three offices a look at one of them at one point but we would have kicked him out by then 'em largely one of them open for like meetings yeah i take one of them a then we'd have like an open space with the writers another bathroom the more people you add the more people need the p m i'd move the camera people out into the warehouse at that point i probably start with three warehouse units and i do like a green screen in like a l t chief sat like a workshop tackling fat and unlike some storage area maybe maybe a little neck for the land show then i finally got a couple of more units i'd i'd like an employee lounge and some more storage and then it'd be like a hardcore workshop look like modding stuff sweet sweet yeah that's probably do smart consider it concise that's what i do i i was being facetious stats are studio now what did he mean they probably didn't know we had a student oh i'm i'm just teasing we have the studio yeah we got her studio about four years ago 'em well i could understand why people don't know because we intentionally change the sets to look like a house so anyone who started watching in the last year to might not realize that the kitchen that we shouldn't all the time is not a real kitchen that was the why they're so we're leaving the videos to look less like a set in the studio and more like we just shoot out of the house like a normal youtuber well videos up in the warehouse sometimes sometimes not that often anymore that often no weird that makes sense nikola i'm going to in english carson vancouver but i missing all px of rude look let's tech related while visiting honestly not much rita says are you going to do something ridiculous and coolest according to build a free eight three cable godfrey do that that's a good idea i think you're 'em yes love to they're supposed to send me one but they haven't yet a document says there has been away the special master the power sequence on how many for many years i think lodge affected wanna blame the customer i yeah so the problem with that i couldn't so you have to pick from a menu we went over all 'em other side guy l i n o n he's having particularly taken off because the futuristic designed employed makes them look tacky yeah that's a fair point that's only part of the problem though upward says bitcoin is on the rise again do you have anything in the works reminding update don't object like stack so this is going toward a new stream pc dash not a stream is not the problem also see what lt x okay see their johnny says oji you better make lt x just as big or bigger next year my boss told me he will be paying next year due to he needs me at work in the holidays i set aside for going so you better we will try i honestly can't promise that like we're gonna have two dozen creators there again because that is costing me eight pre sheet penny the show itself could expand though yes and then maybe certain groups or just wanna go anyways ryan says he's still got dressy six fifty yes other side guy what's his thoughts on austrailia being non existent in the gaming industry it's really far that's the only reason i never down there is actually a lot of tech fans in australia and there's a huge amount of tech sales that happened in australia to the community is actually pretty decent getting a show out there is extremely extremely expensive if you're not based their tax has one i think that's yeah and it's relatively small but again it's extremely expensive in getting a lot of the creators of their 'em show like packs is at the scale where they're not generally

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"Nice these older like busier now. But he's still he's still frequents and or live. Welcome to the land show. Ladies and gentlemen. We've got a fantastic show for you today. Lots of good things talk about. Amd took the performance crown. this week. Luke luke did you think you'd live to see the day In recent years. Yes but if you asked me five years ago maybe in yeah no. I said i said the same thing unfortunately looks like there are some discrepancies between our benchmark results and some other reviewers. So we're going to talk through what we think might have happened here. Anthony's been doing a little bit of post mortem investigation here in other news. Apple's a fourteen x benchmarks have leaked ahead of the upcoming apple event which might give us some idea of what to expect from the apple. Silicon macs does that not sound like like like like iphone. Whatever max like pro. Max like apple silicon macs. It's to the extreme. What else got today released version to uber lifts do not have to classify drivers as employees. That was a big. We were talking about that on the show like three or four years ago and leave and a swift kick in the nets. Your router is probably vulnerable. Which sucks we'll talk about later. Walk along major dictate. Oh dang it areo your network is well. It's not it's really you know. The point of data is like i it lodges assault in your tonsil under debate. True oh crap. Who am i supposed to have here. First of all sponsors They are squarespace sponsors. All right hold on full-page aera go a bridge wallet squarespace a there. We go shirt whatever cool. So why don't we did it. I did it. Why don't we generate into a md. Five thousand did you watch review. Ups at its ever has been trying to get me to read your your mean comments video or whatever that was recently but i was like. I'm busy busy luke. Spin looks been super busy on the flow playing lately. It's actually really good getting lots of updates so fine. But i don. I feel again after much anticipation. Amd has launched their rising five thousand series. Desktop processors based on their new is entry architecture. One of the craziest things about this launch to me is the fact that there was no dice shrink this is still a seven nanometer chip just like the last one except more faster and more better so the rise and five fifty. Six hundred x is to ninety nine. Us gives you six cores. Twelve threads remember when three hundred. Us dollars could get you six cores. Twelve threads in the intel days before competitive. No i'm just kidding kidding. Panicking like wait a hold on a second email from epic. I don't wanna. I don't wanna fail the test going to have to make an apology video. Yeah so so. We didn't have that. Sixty five watt. Tdp like what fifty eight hundred x. This one is killer acres. Sixteen threads four point. Seven fm gigahertz. Max boost hundred five watt. Tdp fifty nine hundred acts. If you're into that mondo performance. I the fifty six hundred fifty nine hundred x are really just like the ones to buy. And it's it's pretty clear just going to ask you and i kind of agree but it is. I mean it is fifty bucks. And i think quite a few people wouldn't notice necessarily the benefit eight to twelve. Of course not. I not say i was in quite a few people. I think you're mad sir. I think you're mad. I think you need to sit down and have a drink of water. Ltd dot com. Think you delirious delirious so you know what no. I strongly disagree because if you need eight course you need twelve there. I said and if you don't need a course okay by six hundred x. That's my take on that because it's two hundred dollars cheaper so you can really tell that particular right now okay yeah. Amd's yields on. These are such that they really want you to buy the ones that are. Six course percy and yet yeah and you're saving a lot of tdp there as well. Yeah okay we'll take that back with two dead two dead course so you can. You can tell they've got some some defects to deal with otherwise. I do think that the there would be a smaller price. Difference going from a fifty six hundred to eight hundred x fifty one hundred x does have the highest base clock and boost cock. But it's such a small amount or no not not boost note higher as they go so the more interesting the more cores you got the better the odds you can find a real real four point nine gigahertz or whatever i suppose so. Here's the problem though while everyone agrees that rising five thousand and is pretty a sex horrific. What they don't agree on is how sex horrific so early reviews ranged from everywhere from as good as too much better than intel's core. I nine ten nine hundred k. What is up with this range We reported among the higher results with their bauer. So roman heart. I don't know how to pronounce. His last name is determined to lake. Even i wouldn't even stand a chance so with our reporting even faster still results now what this seems to indicate to us because gamers next. This was right around in line with us. Is that low latency and high speed. Ddr four memory could play an even bigger role in zen three performance than we anticipated even knowing that brazen one thousand two thousand and three thousand were all highly dependent on optimizing your memory speed so many reviewers were using low latency ddr four thirty two hundred and we were using ddr. Four thirty six hundred As for gamers. Nexus anthony was going back and forth with With steve if i recall correctly Who did he tell me he was going back and forth with. I think he was chatting with steve. I'm gonna check my check my notes here but no no he was going back and forth with someone else wants something nope i think he just checked in and i had a look at their at their stuff. So yeah so. They hand tuned their timings which does make a significant difference to performance. So let me just It was actually an email. That's my problem. I don't wanna get my story wrong. Here he was talking to someone about it. And i wanna make sure that i wanna make sure that i'm crediting them properly and it was in a isn't a status report or something. I think numbers gamers next reported. Not no he didn't. He didn't talk to steve about it. But yeah they tune their stuff so that seems to be what happened there and it really merits. Well further investigation. I guess we've done does gaming memory matter or like how fast memory you need for gaming a couple of times in the last two years but it seems like with rise and five thousand it might be worth exploring again because all of a sudden we're going from yeah there's not much benefit past you know thirty two hundred to all of a sudden thirty six hundred and even ddr four. Four thousand is resulting in substantial performance. Improvements notably devour was actually running. Two thousand megahertz on the infinity fabric clock so he was running one to one to one. no dividers now intel. Intel's upcoming turning to you. Sorry in what like the fact that you need more expensive memory to to get the most arising five thousand the fact that a group of reviewers ended up getting results that varied as from from a like a like. If you were like the the hat. I guess. I want you to put on his. You're like product manager. Ncis hat chair like. Would that concern you in terms of sales and customers coming back complaining anything like that. No because the reality of it is most people who buy a computer are never going to run a benchmark on it ever. They're going to. They're going to immediately install epic games launcher download. Fortnight and start playing fortnight and the thing is the for most people like you. And i are in this unique position. Well i guess you haven't been to the office months. But i i am in this unique position where i'm surrounded by tech every day. You know you. Name a generational technology improvement in in computers or phones for the last eight years and i experienced it going right from the last generation to this one every individual generational leap well. Most consumers are on an upgrade cycle. That is at the fastest two to three years and going to feel super fast. Anyways typically more like five to eight so anyone upgrading from like. Let's think about what a gaming machine looked like eight years ago. You were running iraq and twenty six hundred k. Rain i was. I was rocking twenty six hundred three years ago. Yeah so so twenty. Six hundred k. You bought a gaming machine. Six eight years ago. You bought a twenty six hundred okay. It's time to upgrade today by reisen. Five thousand are you worried about like six percent of the rising five thousands performance or four percent performance difference. No you're getting a new machine. You're installing your games on it. You're going holy can't believe my game can look like this. This is this butterfly. Move like this is unbelievable so happy. I saved up for it bubba. Exactly you're stoped so the reality of it is most consumers. Never do this. Kind of like splitting hairs. Benchmarking like i think even many enthusiasts. Oh well not. Even i think many enthusiasts overestimate their the size of their niche like yes. Our sub reddit is a million strong now or whatever the case may be. But there's a lot of people on there that are not going in and hand tuning memory tidings there's loved the means so that's not indicative of how many of these people there are even working for ncaa which was very enthusiast. Centric retailer the vast majority of the time that i talked to an actual customer. They don't follow this stuff like not like we do. You know they're they're just there. They like it. You can be an enthusiast without being obsessed with it and without wanting to turn it into another job that you have to do on the side when you get home from work will go to research all the all the new stuff and i gotta learn. I gotta learn about the new infinity fabric. Most people don't operate like that they just buy a shiny new toy and they're happy with it and to put your head in that mindset. Think about the last time. You bought a drill. For example how many how many amps did the motor like. Who cares does it put in the screw okay. Well that's how most people by giving pc right. Like i guess. I guess in these situations you're talking about like most people not everyone absolutely absolutely and and the subcategory of people will probably be fine. I guess yes so most people are probably not gonna care so from a business standpoint. It doesn't matter. It's going to be a handful of people that are like watched every review about this and i noticed a discrepancy. Do you think it could lead to lower sales not realistically because if if this if this happened. This strongly in the in like their first resurgence into the seen. It made it might have been more concerning but because we've had the last like couple generations of really solid amd processors people are not nearly as worried. Now they're kind of a default purchase in a lot of scituate in the early enthusiasts space. Like and i don't mean enthusiasts obsessive. I just mean people who are enthused by high performance computing in the enthusiast space. They are a goat. I would say the go-to right now and what's really nice. Is that rising five thousand dozen. Come our recommendation of it doesn't come with the same caveats that we had with first gen rising in particular where it came out and we were like eighties back in the game. But i'm not ready to recommend this because we had a lot of We had a lot of stability issues. Were we know this thing ain't ready for primetime. Rising five thousand. Just just went. You know your wife. Does she go to she. Go mate you know. Is she a goer. She's goer get the reference. We'll get it. I don't i don't get yeah. Yeah that's finite outside law. If i if i tell you then you know that's cheating that's cheating. I'm sure someone someone from chat someone from chat lou inform. You don't tell inform you all right. I'll just i'll just on for the wits. Some monty python reference issue. She a goer. What what what what do you mean. Does she go to where. It's been a long time since i've watched it but it's it's just really uncomfortable to watch all right. Intel has response. I'm actually a little surprised The timing is about right for intel to have started working on this right around the time you got super. Actually yes no. These guys are competitive. Uh oh this looks like trouble. So hey i love it until it turns out can actually do stuff when it matters other rocket league. Cpu's coming in q. One next year are speculated to be roughly ten to twenty percent faster per clock then the current gen comet lake. Cps it's funny. How amd is like they drew even and then intel's like hey they're going to have what looks like potentially a similar intergenerational obligation in spite of the fact that they are still stuck on fourteen nanometer. And everyone's like yeah. What do you want a cookie. And that's what happens. That's what happens when your business practices are to deliver the bare minimum while you have no competition and then suddenly page. We make some fantastic engineer. So yeah i forgot. We have literally some of the smartest people in the world working here and instead of like letting them build cools. Were busy like every last. You know zeon bronze silver gold platinum tier of of every chip. We make to get the most money out of it. Like stop stop. I tweeted a little while ago. Like intel please put an engineer in charge signed. Everyone sincerely everyone. It's like what do you. What do the silicon valley companies that are. Excuse me the hardware companies. What do the hardware companies. That are really outperforming. The rest having common right now. And i'm talking. Companies like tesla. amd invidia. What do they have in common. They have engineers in charge and like to be clear. It's not like i'm saying this out of self interest you know. I want to get a job. Because i'm a highly skilled engineer. Please hire me to be the ceo of your company. I'm totally not qualified to run a company like intel the differences that i know it. Yeah definitely offends me anyway. Intel may regain their single threaded performance lead but they will likely fall further behind in multi threaded because rocket lake is rumored to cap out at eight cores per chip. So looking at amd's lineup here. Intel is looking like they're going to be in a position where they do not have a product to compete with anything over five hundred. Us dollars from envy's lineup and the craziest thing is aimed will have spent the last five months. Recouping there are then three with these chips and is going to be ready to meet whatever until comes out with with a price drop like hall then. It is a bad time to buy a processor right now because in another months there's going to be faster stuff from both intel and amd eighteen months. Though the. i'm just saying amdi will have refreshed this with three plus four. Whatever the next thing on the roadmap is they'll have a five nanometer. Cpu intel's probably going to have some kind of like they're going to be going as fast as they can here trying to catch up. It is time to like to build gaming. Pc's did you see you said it's it's not a good time to buy a process. I know i know if you don't like buyer's remorse. It's a terrible time to buy a processor. Oh i mean if you're going to have buyer's remorse a year and a half later we'll furthers longest time remember when you and i would see that in the comments on the videos and stuff people be like people were like mad when what what gpu launch was it Yeah that one that one recently like people are mad when all of a sudden. They're stuff's obsolete twenty four months down the line. It's like it used to be for obsolete every i feel like i'm talking about walking school in the snow up hill. Both ways it used to be our stuff was obsolete in six to eight months and we liked it that way. Yeah yeah yeah. Computer is three years old. It was like an ancient brick. Yeah it was garbage. And that was the best all right Something something something blah blah blah rocket league you know. What i thought was another really cool move from md this generation. No new chipset so on the one hand they did. Let us down a little bit. You know three hundred series chipsets not working on the new chips at all But they still managed what three generations for three hundred series and then four hundred series is getting a full three generations. that's one generation purchase at better than until managed so. Hey you know what good job And they went and they didn't go and unnecessarily released a refresh chipset so motherboard manufacturers can refresh their board designs if they feel like the new. Cpr need more power phases or union. Did usb three point. Two by two jen six. Whatever they're calling these stupid standards these days Or you know you want to add some two and a half gigabit. That's more affordable now to your lineup. That's great but you don't have to. You don't feel obligated to buy another board in any way that always drove me crazy. When the only answer you'd be able to get from both amdy end intel going back the only answer you'd ever be able to get when you'd ask okay. So do i have to get the new chipset with this chip and they'd be like well. It's optimal like what does that mean. It means it's you know they're they're they're engineered for each other and i'm like right but is there a performance difference. Well it's optimal engineered for each other. Which is there a performance difference and we were never able to measure one. I don't think there was a single time that we had like a cpi refresh on a given platform and we were able to measure some kind of performance difference from the last gen chipset to the new one. Sometimes you get more usb ports or whatever which is which is great but not terribly important for from like a gaming standpoint like how many. Us reports on a gaming rig. Did you say no mostly you. Us vs that. I have plugged in our for Like cameras or vr stuff or the stream deck or charging my phone or whatever like. 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And we've learned a lot about Foil printing with these foils since we did the keyboard shirt So we're still going to have bad yields on this so the price is still thirty dollars like last time. also the foil is just more expensive But what you might notice is that our yields are actually fairly similar Even though this way more intricate design way more difficult to print. Yeah so we've learned a lot but we want kind of instead of just printing something simple again and having higher yields we decided we wanted to push the envelope and do a cpu but with the foil so limited quantities similar to last time Keyboard sold out by the end of land. Show if i recall correctly last time. So you guys are going to want to move fast. If you wanna get one is disappeared competition again. You will never know paid competition. There are no competitions at all. Yeah there's no competition there's no. There's no like prizes for ordering all you get is a shirt and if something else happened to happen then that would happen I don't specifically have any plans to do anything but a lot of the time that sort of a spur of the moment kinda things so. I will neither confirm nor deny anything. I will neither confirm. Nor deny i shouldn't i like you should not buy shirt in hopes of winning a prize. That is the worst reason ever to buy a shirt. You buy shirt because you think it's cool and you wanna wear it and then if looming something you should be like stoked they go. I'm not gonna tell you how to feel but that's how you should feel and think not gonna tell you think i'm finished but all right apple a fourteen x benchmarks. I am stoked tab. Look at this actually. They've been leaked ahead of the apple event which pretty much tells us for sure. That apple will be launching an apple. Silicon silicon mac book device so potential devices include a thirteen inch macbook pro thirteen inch macbook air and possibly a sixteen inch macbook pro. That would surprise me. Sixteen inch macbook pro the implication for a sixteen inch macbook pros that this is a performance device the alleged geekbench benchmarks for the fourteen x. Show a one point. Eight gigahertz processor capable of turbo to three point one so this will be the first custom apple. Silicon to ever clock above three gigahertz the gp results show eight. Gigs of ram will be included with the processor. Although we don't know there wouldn't be other configurations with different amounts of ram. It's an eight core processor with a big little arrangement so that means four. Big course Four little ones and for single core benchmarks. It looks like it's a boat like five percent faster than the fourteen Multi-core benchmarks though big difference so seventy two twenty versus forty one nine thousand eight so when you're like out putting a video or something like that it seems like the fourteen. That's present in the new. Iphones has a fair bit of a fair. Bit of thermal headroom. That can be unlocked. Was i was going to mention thermal headroom because you still have. We didn't you video along time ago. When you had a mac book in like a pan of water or something yes to cool it Do you think these benchmarks are done. Actually in a realistic thermal scenario. Yeah i would think so. I think that whoever got their hands on these devices early Just like was goofing around with it and probably like accidentally uploaded into the database or something like that like. That's what i would. That's what i would guess Whoever it is probably gonna get in trouble. Because i would imagine. There's only a handful of people that have their hands on these things ahead of time. It's it's interesting. I know of a story of a person who worked at a mobile mobile phone store. That's as as specific as i'm gonna get And they get the iphones. Usually i believe roughly two days early so they can set up their victoria. Do all that other kind of stuff and One of the boxes was opened and the person was playing around with the phone Which is apparently not even like way that uncommon but they made the mistake of getting the phone onto wifi and apparently within two hours. The store was contacted a whole like well. One of their phones connected. I'm sure they don't have like detailed tracking necessarily but they would have device. Id's and stuff at one of their phones that should not be online is suddenly online with an ip address of somewhere that isn't apple headquarters or wherever up So i'm not gonna go way too far into the details of what happened there but It was very bad i would. I would say that much. So if if someone's going to do this if someone's not only going to you just accidentally get something a wifi but they're also going to go through in benchmark a bunch of things to do stuff like that unless this person is super gone. I'm going to go with this was very planned. Wasn't necessarily horsing around and the state of was scraped and then upload in a different way Okay that's fair that's fair. that's a fair point. I'm not surprised there's a note here that says it is unknown. If this benchmark is real apple insider was unable to verify If the information is like legit and that is not surprising. Because if you did this. I'm sure you'd want to be very seat about doing so. It might be legit. I yeah it took a matter of hours for apple to contact us regarding our developer kit for example And that whole thing the way that shook out is apple eventually cancelled their call with me to talk about whatever they wanted to talk about. Which presumably was that And what we decided to do was send it back to the developer before talking to apple because if apple so thing is we didn't sign an nda we were under no obligation to But like anything you know. Apple wasn't in a position where they could threaten us legally unless we had their stolen property and didn't immediately return it. So what would happen. Then is if i talked to apple and they said you need to send it back to me and i didn't do it then i could be in legal trouble and if i did do it. The developer could be in legal trouble because they did sign an nda. so what. I wish we had done what. I wish we had done is run the benchmarks Then sent it. Back van teased because at that point. I don't think we'd I don't really think there'd be anything they could do. They could bother us like they could. They could file a lawsuit or they could file a complaint or whatever the case may be but given the we have no agreement whatsoever with apple and at this point. It's very clear that we will never have won I've replied and i was like. Hey so are we. Rescheduling not call just total radio silence. So apple doesn't have an interest in building bridges with people that they can't I mean how. Do i say this delicately with people who aren't gonna play by their rules pretty much is is the observation that i've made over the years there's companies that want dissenting voices and and want to be told you know how to do better and there's companies that think they know better and don't want to hear from anybody else and apple falls into the latter camp very clearly very clearly in their customers loudly complaining about that horrendous macbook pro keyboard is still took them two years to fix this. How does this. You're you literally spend. I think they're in the top three companies in the world for rnd spending definitely top ten And you can't fix a broken keyboard like what they there are. Companies that specialize in like making keyboard case. Which is you could. You could talk to one of them. Maybe no no you have to invent your own wheeled apple peel. The i will all right. Why don't we go ahead and do sponsor sponsor check out. 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Economy companies in california will not become their employees after voters overwhelmingly approved prop twenty two which allows gig economy companies to continue treating their drivers as independent contractors uber lift and the delivery service door dash designed the measure to exempt the companies from a state labor law. That would have forced them to employed drivers and pay for healthcare unemployment insurance and other benefits as a concession to labor advocates. The initiative does offer setting a partial minimum wage. Although this is only for actual time on the road a stipend to help cover the cost of a healthcare plan for the most active drivers and insurance coverage for accidents. Illness and lost wages does help a little. Bit uber. says they'll make these new benefits available as soon as possible. So here's my prob- okay. You know what. I'll i'll talk to you. The rest of first opponents worry that these companies will commit a type of fraud called labor misclassification. According to the economic policy institute between ten to twenty percent of employers miss classify at least one worker as an independent contractor. These freelancers aren't entitled to the full suite of benefits allowed under employment law including broader minimum wage. Rules overtime pay and sick leave nor do employers have to pay into the social security and medicare systems on the workers behalf uber and other gig economy players are likely to pursue federal legislation to enshrine gig work in the nation's labor laws and companies in favor of prop twenty two spent a record setting two point. Two two hundred and five million to help. Secure a win here. Hoover lift door dash instacart and postmates with support from groups as diverse as california chamber of commerce. The california police chiefs association and california. Naacp the opposition including many unions and labor rights groups spent less than twenty million. Because when you're not making a ton of money you know what. I'm gonna use the word exploiting people by not giving them proper employment benefits. It's hard to spend a bunch of money. Lobbying isn't it. what did they do to lobby. Because this looks like i just looked. I don't not just logging. So if i recall correctly this was something. Voters actually voted on so it was just advertising so convincing the average voter that it's bad for people to have employee rights. How does this work. How does this kind of stuff get voted for what is going on. I think that's where you probably Slowdown you're flirting with a different topic. But it looks like get passed with with eighty two reporting so i guess they stopped because they had enough votes in yet but yes one at fifty eight point percent with seven point eight million votes and no loss with five point five million votes link to be clear i do not think that unions should have an unlimited amount of power. I had teachers in high school that it was. It should have been criminal for them to still have a job for how little work they did how they gave like it was unbelievable. And you probably had both right. You have hands or it's like you're a saint and it's incredible that this school as you had all abor too good for this. They were too good for the podunk school that i went to. I have those and the near the my my english teacher in in ap eleven and twelve changed my life. I would not be. I would not have the career that i have in tech if it were not for him hundred. My computer teacher my physics capture and my english eleven teacher had like massive massive impacts on yep on everything. She taught me forward. He taught me to write which has basically everything that i do. Everything i do is pretty much an essay. If you are a good essay writer you can. You can fumble your way through almost anything job application cover letter basically an essay about why you're the best applicant for the job presentation basically an essay meeting. You're meeting your your your your future in-laws for the first time it's all the same structure. It's all like forming an argument in presenting yourself or presenting your side in the best possible light or in an area as quickly yes expanding them out again and then restating them again hammered the point home. My english teacher was probably only in the classroom for sixty five percent of the time. We actually went down. We went out and found him. We found him a couple times and he was usually in the cooking room sampling. The wears before lunch. I'm not even. I wish i was joking so my my english teacher was a piece of useless as well and then my english eleven teacher is probably one of the best teachers to grace this planet it was. It was a drastic difference. I hated hated english passion until grade. Eleven my parents. My parents are both teachers. And i remember my mom telling me and i was horrified. I was complaining about a bad teacher. And she's like well. Nothing's going to change. Because as the saying goes you have to be caught with a live boy or a dead girl. And i was like as the excuse me mother as the saying goes what now and but that's how powerful the f. was at least at that time who quoted this. This is my mother. You've met my mom. It shouldn't surprise. You walk so to be clear. I'm not more all powerful unions that make it so you cannot get rid of bad workers but you also can't completely take away employee rights. That's not right either. And so when you've got these literal billion dollar companies literal billion dollar companies that are going own terribly. Sorry we're far too poor to make people actual employees both at every single worker. Linus media group picks up for the one that stubbornly refuses to become an employee because he has like big work that he does and it makes taxation it makes more taxation sense for him to continue to be a contractor. We still give him all the benefits that like he has so he pays independently into a dental time. We just give him extra cash for it like we still make sure he's taking care of but everyone other than that is an employee. They have fulltime hours with mostly predictable. Schedules that is not an unfair thing to ask at the years. Twenty twenty lake north. America's even like behind places like e you interns of like time off laws like this other kind of stuff so like denying. Even that much is like kind of wild so yeah. I'm not saying the unions. The union system is perfect. And we've got. I've got people in the chat. That are talking about union dues. Yeah i mean if unions are are charging you unreasonable. Do's and not not sticking up for your rights. I'd be mad too. I used to play. And i'm going to name drop it. I used to work at a place called the candidate bread factory. You had to be a part of the union to work there. And i just i just wanted a job between. Semesters of of post-secondary that's all i wanted And the worst person to deal with at that entire place was our union rep. And he like didn't like me so he would on purpose. I was i was on call. He would on purpose. Make sure that. I was called roughly eight hours after my previous shift ended so i would like go work and then have my like day and then right. When i was going to sleep he would try to call me every time he was just. Yeah why if. I refused than he would Skip me next time around. He just he just like didn't like me. I have a theory that he didn't get it. You're not very likable. So there's that he didn't like me. Because i think he didn't like my brother who used to work there Allow we. You can't get rid of him because he's the union guy and like no matter how much i wasn't the only person there that had an issue with him and i wasn't the only person there that he messed with and he would like go away sick yet. This lady that worked the union office would handle all of our stuff. She was amazing but like he was a dink and we couldn't do anything to get rid of them or deal with it and there was like other issues that we had and i it was taken out of my paycheck when it didn't benefit me in any way and all i wanted was more money back to school. It sucks but there were also lots and lots and lots of cases where unions have came in like stopped massive problems. So it's a it's a. It's an interesting. I don't know people are talking about Lahud loves unions until his own employees to unionize. You know what honestly. I would just be like personally offended. If my employees tried to unionize. We work really hard to be good to people And so for for them to basically say yeah. It's not enough Would be would be like pretty upsetting for someone who genuinely cares like indefinitely. Understand how that would. I probably couldn't understand in the past but now i can definitely understand how that would be taken very personally john. Campbell here says linus you have no clue what you're talking about here in california where i live. If not for that law that the people pass there'd be. no uber. uber told you that what they said. Yeah that's a good one. That's a good way they'd be over. Okay sure okay Super might be more expensive like okay. Yeah you know. I'm not remotely. I don't know all right luck with that okay into preference stuff but personally i wouldn't. I wouldn't compromise like workers rights to save some company where some other competitor could just come in and take their take their lunch. Yeah so. Brian bill says californian here they basically said they'd shut down for a while and come back with massive price hikes. Well yeah okay so then someone else so be it left or another upstart company would come in and say oh. Actually no this this is. This is doable paying a fair wage. And we're gonna we're gonna figure it out and then would have react. That's like how free market economy is supposed to work. Figure hanging all right. good yeah. Why don't we go ahead and talk about our next topic here. Which is man. These kind of these are kind of boring old debt collectors. Debt collectors might soon be adding you on facebook. The bureau of consumer financial protection so the us government has just ruled us. So that's the source is the bureau of consumer financial protection. The us government has just ruled that collections agencies can send get this unlimited texts emails and even instant messages to debtors on social media platforms the ruler of the social media platforms going to say because i could definitely see someone to setting up like a every minute bought. Yeah i could. I think they probably already have the. They've just been waiting for this for this to be approved to roll it out. The ruling does not require debtors to consent before being contacted by email or text the fact that there is no limit either means people could get flooded with calls or mono either that it means that and the ruling particularly stings given that happened during a recession. Oh get this the president of action collection agencies in boston. Jake gun salva's calls it a win win since so many people just don't answer calls anymore so text contact could be better others point out. It might make fraud easier. Since sending a crapload of emails and texts is pretty easy. When you are allowed to do it by law absolutely flipping brilliant Okay so when insurance can they hit you up on tinder philly right to collect your built in app payments nice paycheck. You just got their mind. If i take some of it. Jeez oh man awesome all right what else we got here. That is freaking. I mean the. I get it. It's no different than them. Having the right to call you back when we had film books. I guess but it's just like how there is nothing sacred any more. Like how close are we to just like ccp china this point social credit system like like at what point do they start messaging. What what point are they allowed to message your friends to be like. Hey have you heard from them lately. Let them know. I'm looking for him. Like when is that coming. I don't know and then you know from there. Like at. What point are they allowed to just literally go to your house and like take your tv even now. I think it depends. I think it depends. I think that repo is mostly only for things that are directly associated with the debt. Don't for me on that. that's something. I don't know much about so if you if on your credit card you bought a tv and then you didn't pay your bill eventually. I think they can take the tv. don't quote me on that. I don't think they can just walk in and take other stuff that you already owned clue what else we got here. This is pretty good swift kick in the next plane chat. Sorry someone who flipping chat. Said i get calls from debt collectors all the time because they're looking for my brother okay. Well that's interesting. Is it possible that your brother gave them your number. I'm not saying you brother did it. I'm just not saying your brother didn't do it. Depends depends kind of relationship with your brother. And that's all i'm saying lateral. They can take in the us. It's a mixed bag cheese. Yeah figures fifty however many states fifty different sets of rules. We've really run up against this. When it comes to getting our products shipping into america. I saw quite a few people. Complaining about shipping on the foil pins shirt which is limited edition and probably going to be gone pretty soon. Go get it. T. store dot com saw. Some people complaining about shipping costs. We would love to be shipping out of the us but it is extraordinarily complicated from taxation standpoint And it could put us in a position where we have a physical location down there. All a sudden were paying like corporate income tax to a variety of states. And i'm looking at it going Excuse me do i drive on your roads. Do my kids attend your school's. I don't think so so no i will not be paying. Income tax to america will be paying income tax to canada. Where actually live. So that's the whole thing So it's pretty difficult for us to get around that we're still working on it but that's one of the reasons that are shipping. Costs are not amazing. All right in other news a swift kick in the nets security researchers. Sammy cam car has developed in javascript. Exploit that fools routers with application layer gateway functionality which is nearly all consumer or small office home office routers so it tricks them into opening ports they otherwise shouldn't oh the attack dubbed nat slipstreaming allows remote attackers to reach any network related service on victims. That would not normally be accessible from behind the rotor effectively. Bypassing the firewall. Oh this could be set up with an automated attack where vulnerable services. I exposed then exploited to provide long-term control or to inject payload oh browsers often blocked from 'accessing services on certain ports so this slipstreaming method bypasses that to by not making javascript. Do any of the actual work. Oh no user. Interaction is required. Oh wait a minute. Here's how it works. Oh yeah no. User interactions required. Wow just browsing a web page with. The script is enough for the attack to work. Holy balls camp car demonstrated the attack working on a net gear. Nighthawk are seven thousand router with many others likely vulnerable There's no indication anything has happened for the victim. Although cam car released a proof of concept and information about how it works. So that can be patched. I mean the odds of like most router manufacturers patching this anytime soon especially older models is like slid none jerry Clear that net gear model thing is probably just because that's what he had. Yeah i would take that super personally. The show net gear is not happy about being featured on something like this. But i mentioned that like i. I don't think i've talked to anyone from that year. Potentially ever released in a long time but like them being called out here isn't because like he found the vulnerability on that particular router necessarily probably the one that he had anthony notes that it seems that disabling web. Rtc and or javascript might work until this is patched but today's internet relies pretty heavily on javascript and web rtc for streaming media and other interactive services. So it's going to downer. It's going to be a bit of a downer in l. Jeez wow all right and finally friendly reminder for everyone to make sure you keep occasional backups off the network. The entire database and backups of the brazilian supreme court wasn't scripted by hackers. An unknown group infected the network of brazil's highest judicial body on tuesday and crippling their primary database and backups as well since the justices have been unable to access their emails or any of quarter-million-plus cases under their jurisdiction hoops. The hack was likely made possible from vulnerabilities exposed users remotely accessing the network from home using unprotected connections there no answers to the origin or solution to the hack and texts are currently working to restore data from physical backup tapes for critical cases in two thousand fourteen. Hackers used a phishing. Attack to invade. Brazil's foreign affairs ministry internal systems stealing cables. Mls passwords and data woopsie daisy. Fortunately for the court. I guess brazil's fines on data breaches due to the recently passed. Lg pd privacy. Law won't come into effect until two thousand twenty one. So i guess they're all good so they won't be fine brutal. Yeah that's pretty. That's pretty rough stuff right there. Okay well i think that pretty much wraps it for the win show for today luke and i have something very exciting to work on after. I can't tell us about it until probably sometime next year. I think when it's When it's released but We're gonna be working on a script and we working on a script some script stuff and it should be a good video all all have to say about that. Yup orders are absolutely flooding in for oil pins t shirt so guys if you do wanna get a chance to get it once again. Lt store dot com hall of four. You go for it all right. That's pretty much it. We'll see you next week. Same bat time. Same bat channel secret. Shoppers on floatplane. Oh yeah that too. If you don't already have flow make sure you're over. There will be early access on floatplane so first episodes coming to youtube I think this weekend and the second episode is already on floatplane. So you'll be able to catch the first two if you go sign up for floatplane right. Linnell super chats own right super. Tat's viewer activity here. We go you people. You can thank floatplane for that just saying yeah flow planes. Got your back all right In secret shopper ilia. Tarasov says in secret shoppers to episode. Two you talk about the fifty seven hundred. X t like it's garbage compared to an rtx twenty seventy super. Have you touched it since the review cycle honestly i have not personally used since the review cycle. I do know that they've improved the stability a fair bit and we will see how it stacks up in terms of performance when we evaluate all the systems. Gino says i love your merch but your support when something goes wrong isn't the best. I still not heard back about an update on my keyboard shirt. No one's reached out after seven messages. seven messages. Are you the one that messaged on the forum and that i said someone would get back to you. Okay let me I mean the problem is that through youtube. I have no way of fixing it. Like i have no way of contacting you here but i will. I mean i'll flag it for nick because every time we know about a message we reply to it and to my knowledge they are not behind on tickets right now at all so hopefully used the same name for your account for the merge store and like Able to cross reference this somehow but that's not a guarantee lining stretch of the imagination. Someone in full chat said The supportive supermarket Yeah for the most part. We don't get complaints about it As permanent sir says the tackling t shirts coming back no time soon Getting grey shirts until we get. Our own. Shirts made is going to be very challenging. Existential potato says hello. Linus and harry man. I haven't seen on this channel before really or do you mean me. Also i don't. I'm not sure i get the joke. Eric says linus really enjoy the content. Keep it going great. Wave escaping from twenty twenty twenty twenty. Still here what else we got here. Dvd's em three. Do you think the use of nuclear waste in nanno diamond batteries. Whatever become an accepted idea among consumers for use devices like mobile phones or smart watches. I think anytime he is the word 'nuclear to describe something people assume. It's like horrible scary. It'd be pretty tough robert says. Do you think we'll be alive to see arms surpass x eighty. Six performance who. Yeah yeah i wouldn't be surprised. I mean depending on the workload like in gaming That's gonna take a minute but for certain applications that we could very well already be there because there's more to performance than just performance. There's also performance per watt performance per chorused. Yeah yup cooper says portable sleeper land center use that case in astronaut mobutu bifurcated to water cooled single slot wide with a fifty nine fifty. X virtual is into four gaming systems. That's kind of sick idea. portable sleeper land center. You know what. I'm write that down. I'm alright that down right now. Video idea tracker here. We go people. Think i'm out of ideas. I got a whole like nine hundred line like document full of ideas. Some of them are terrible. But i'm certainly not out of siddharth says hey line team. I've been on your channel. I've been your fan for the last seven years and respect your working working ethic please add metrics when reviewing cpg gpu as gigahertz. metric is not the same. Well that's what any performance chart is or wait. I metric we'll know it's really very meaningful because cpa's don't really run at a fixed clock speed anymore. Depending on the load they will run at different clock speeds. So we don't need to know what the performance is per clock like. It's sort of irrelevant unless you're comparing the new generation one to the old generation one that is otherwise the same that's where discussions around. Ipc come in Two gigahertz is just to give you an idea of how products within one lineup compared to each other and then is to compare one generation against another one if you want to compare apples to oranges like amdi products versus intel Then you must just look at actual benchmarks actual applications Salvator mundi six says. Thanks for the great content. Bill my first pc almost a year ago after watching your channel nice iliad says someone already managed to get fifty nine hundred extra seventy working and even some three twenty mobiles with modern biases. That does not surprise me. that much. what i suspect. Sorry i know go ahead was probably a mask compatibility issue. Yep yep that's exactly at amdi probably made it incompatible because there are some cases where won't work and they didn't want the messaging to be confusing for a probable fact that that's been the reason behind intel's moves like this in past as well just because some of them will work doesn't mean you can guarantee that all of them will work. Yeah our aid. I had already responded to some of these things. Put up on per aac can last says loving the new mercury guys haven't bought so many articles of clothing is such a short amount of time One of my purchases even came with a surprise sent a little heart. That right Cover interesting. that's pretty much it for the show. We'll see you again next week. Same bat time same bat channel but by the way i did get your message. Not for how that got to be there. I don't know if okay so. Hold on a second on the end of the bill. Here i or should i yes i should i in the stream.

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Microsoft Reveals Xbox Series X Specifications - DTH

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05:35 min | 1 year ago

Microsoft Reveals Xbox Series X Specifications - DTH

"In these daily Tech Headlines for Monday March Sixteenth Twenty Twenty Rich Drop Alina. Microsoft revealed the full specs of the upcoming xbox series X. The next Gen console includes a custom seven nanometer. Amd Zen to CPU with eight cores collected three point eight. Gigahertz AMD RDA TO GP with twelve teraflops performance and fifty to compute units clocked at one point eight to five Gigahertz with sixteen gigabytes of GDP at six. Ram and one terabyte envy. Ssd console storage can be expanded with one terabyte expansion cards on the rear of the machine and it includes USB three point two external hard drive support with four k. blu-ray drive thrown in for fun game states can be saved directly to the SSD to be resumed up two weeks later after system. Updates and Microsoft is using a xbox velocity architecture to allow developers to namic load large environments from the SSD in memory Microsoft Demo Load Times on the console with state of decay to loading forty seconds faster compared to the xbox one ex Microsoft announced that one billion active machines now use windows ten including PC's laptops xbox one consoles and Hololens devices milestone comes less than five years after the launch of Microsoft originally set a three year target for that figure based on projected installs windows phone devices. Microsoft also disclosed. It has seventeen point. Eight million windows insider testers. Amd announced new top end mobile processors the rise in nine forty nine hundred. H in forty nine hundred h s both are built on a seven nanometer process. Offer eight zen to based cores and sixteen threads as well as eight. Gp compute units the forty nine hundred h TDP forty-five Watts Bass frequency of three point. Three GIGAHERTZ with a turbo up to four point four gigahertz while the forty nine hundred h s offers a thirty five watt. Tdp A base clock of three GIGAHERTZ and turbo up to four point. Three gigahertz both are expected to hit the market in Q. Two Twenty Twenty alphabet severely subsidiary launched its pilot. Cova nineteenth screening and testing website on Sunday. Night the site is limited to the San Francisco Bay area and requires signing with a Google account. The site allows those eighteen years and older to take a screener survey and can direct people to available mobile testing facilities based on capacity in San Mateo and Santa Clara counties with test results available in a few days verily plans to scale the site to other areas as more testing kits and sites become available. Us Federal Communications Commission announce the keep Americans connected pledge send dozens of telecom providers who agreed not to terminate service or assess late fees on customers and businesses over the next sixty days and open WIFI hotspots to any American. Fcc occupy also urged telcos to take further steps on their own like relaxing data caps which at and T. horizon t mobile and comcast half suspended for the next sixty days in December Amazon announced. It would contribute code to a new networking system designed for switches call. Dense project maintained by the foundation. Now The Wall Street Journal reports that Amazon plans to use debt to open source. Part of. It's just walk out cashier. Let's technology according to sources Amazon also reportedly met with target and Walmart to discuss the technology. But neither has plans to test. The technology. Currently Microsoft has decided to make bill developer conference a digital conference for May Nineteen th through the twenty first event had been scheduled to take place in Seattle and Apple announced its worldwide developer conference or W WDC. We'll be held online in June with the usual keynote and develop recessions delivered over the Internet. Album did not announce specific details. The French Competition Authority. Find Apple one point one billion euros for anticompetitive practices regarding agreements with wholesalers tech data and Ingram micro the ruling found the apple and the two companies agreed not to compete with each other that apple stop some premium resellers from lowering prices in unfairly supply to other resellers tech data and Ingram micro received fines of seventy six point. One million and sixty two point nine billion euros respectively the complaint that sparked the probe into apple's practices came in two thousand twelve from premium reseller Bisque DOT COM apple plans to appeal the ruling Bloomberg reports that according sources the US Health and Human Services Department suffered a cyberattack on Sunday night. The attack reportedly was a distributed. Denial of service designed to slow the agency systems down but didn't appear to do so in a meaningful way. It doesn't appear that any data was lost or exfiltrated and it's unknown. What party was behind it? Steam recorded new record of twenty point three million concurrent users over the weekend with a record six point. Four million actively playing a game counter strike global offensive was the most popular game with over one million simultaneous players followed by Doda to and Pudgy and finally Microsoft announced that Co founder and former CEO Bill Gates stepping down from its board of directors gates plans to spend more time on philanthropic activities and we'll continue to serve as technology advisor to CEO. Such an Adela. He served as Microsoft board chairman from two thousand to two thousand fourteen. Remember for discussion of the news of the day. Subscribe to daily Tech News. Show at the new show dot com. You can find show notes there and links to all these headlines there as well. Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you next time. And from all of us here at daily tech headlines remember have a super sparkly Dave.

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TikTok Signs License Agreement with NMPA  DTH

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TikTok Signs License Agreement with NMPA DTH

"These are the daily tech headlines for Friday July. Twenty fourth two, thousand, twenty, traveling on. The National Music Publishers Association announced. It signed a multi year license agreement with Tech Talk to license includes provisions that account for Tiktok pass used of musical works and the ability for an MPA members which include the three major us, music publishers and largest indies to opt in to a licensing agreement with tiktok. That would be retroactive for May. I twenty twenty in April. The Financial Times reported that the NPA members were threatening to sue TIKTOK over violations of us, copyright law and the rights of songwriters music publishers. TIKTOK also announced a new two hundred million dollar Creator Fund to support US creators who are seeking opportunities to foster a livelihood APP attack spokesperson told the verge. This is the first time Tiktok will pay creators directly for their content in addition to monetize livestream. The company didn't say how many craters would receive funding. How often payments will be made, or how much creators can earn to apply? You must be eighteen years or older, consistently post original videos that here to community guidelines and have certain follower count although tiktok didn't say exactly how many craters in the United States can apply for funding in August and the company says it plans to offer global access at some point. Garments suffered an ongoing outage that began in the early morning of July. Twenty third that affected. It's official website. Call centres the garment connected data sinking service garments, aviation, database, and production lines in Asia garments, said it was investigating the outage and Catalan some pilot zd. Net reports that several government employees posted online. It was caused by strain of ransomware known as wasted locker although these. These, claims have yet to be verified according to an internal garment memo leaked by the time when he's tech site item to garment, factories will be shut down on July twenty fourth and twenty fifth to go into maintenance mode, while services are used cannot sink their fitness data from devices and pilots are unable to do FAA required updates to flight databases on their navigation devices. According, announce the Gorilla Glass Victis, which claims twice the scratch resistance and a twenty five percent higher drop rating compared to gorilla glass six up to two meters. Corning also says victims should survive an average of twenty one meter drops up from fifteen on its predecessor Samsung will be the first ship of the new glass on a device coming in the next few months. The FCC. Is Begun Auction One? Oh five a nation might auction of twenty, two thousand, six hundred thirty one priority access licenses of prime spectrum, the three point fifty five to three point, sixty five gigahertz range, leading carriers bid on seven bid band slices per county to help their five G. rollouts. The auction has been postponed from earlier this year. Did the COVID nineteen pandemic? The FCC requires three point five gigahertz licensees to share spectrum providing immediate access to top priority government users then to priority licensees, then allowing unlicensed C.. R. S. users to access the same spectrum. Are Technical reports that according to sources EU regulators will require significant concessions from Google to close in its acquisition of Fitbit, originally announced back in November. The regulators reportedly want Google to pledge not to use any health data to further enhance it. Search advantage and calls for the company to grant third parties equal access to that data. Google previously said it would not use health data to improve its advertising. If Google does not agree to the concessions, sources say the E, you will launch a further protracted investigation into the acquisition. FACEBOOK announced. It's rolling out support for Messenger rooms calls to broadcast a livestream using facebook. Live users that create messenger rooms can broadcast the call to their profile, facebook page or a facebook group with controls for who can view the broadcast and joined the call. Messenger Room. LIVESTREAM can have up to fifty participants. The verge reports. That Microsoft android powered dual screen device. The surface duo looks set to launch in the next few weeks earlier this week. The device was listed in FCC records and has now shown up on the Bluetooth as I g certification pages well sources tell the verse that Microsoft originally planned to focus on the surface duo at its build conference this year, but changed plans when the conference went virtual, and that the company now plans to ship devices by the end of September. In its Q, two earnings release notes Intel announced that seven nanometer processors will be delayed six months to market now releasing in mid twenty, twenty, two, the delay caused by seven nanometer yields, being a year behind Intel's internal targets, overall salt revenue increase twenty percent in the year, two thousand nineteen point, seven billion dollars on earnings of one dollar and nineteen cents both beating endless expectations p. centric revenue was up seven percent of the year while data centric revenue jumped thirty four percent. The Associated Press announced a partnership with Sony to exclusively use the company's cameras for it's still photographers in videographers. The AP's Deputy Managing Editor of visual and digital journalism. Daryl Mikrodin said the benefit will be that AP staff will be able to interchange batteries and lenses by using a single manufacturers platform, previously the AP separate brands for steals in video. The Standard Kit for photographers will be a Sony. Nine mark two camera with some videographers and portrait focus shooters using a Sony. A seven are four. And finally according to internal documents seen by android police, T mobile require all new devices on its network to support voice over L., t., e. or voltage as of August, fourth existing customers, using non voltage devices won't immediately affected, but starting in January, twenty, twenty one. These devices can no longer connect to its network. T. Mobile confirmed that new devices ended to that will require Volpi support, but did not comment on the timeline. Remember for discussion of the Tech News of the day subscribe to take new show at set new show dot com. You can find show notes there and the links to all these headlines there as well. Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you next on ant from all of us here at daily. Tech headlines Remember. Have a super sparkly day.

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