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4-14-21 - Mo Egger With Seth Walder

Mo Egger

14:39 min | 3 months ago

4-14-21 - Mo Egger With Seth Walder

"On the show and thirty minutes to answer a bunch of different draft related questions. I'm allegra this. Espn fifteen thirty twenty-seven from four. So yesterday morning espn released their football. Power index rankings college. Football rankings football power index has been around for a while and it's a useful tool frankly. It's a useful tool. I always look at the Football power index numbers. When i make wagers but but nonetheless it's interesting preseason fodder and so i tweeted out a link to their top twenty five and just wrote interesting because notable by their absence i thought was the university of cincinnati right. We're expecting big things in the bearcats Good chance to be preseason favorites in the league coming off an undefeated season should have very good defense as ritter's coming back there's going to be folks who raise the bar really high. Think they can run the table and go undefeated maybe crack into the college football playoff. Even though. I'm very skeptical. That that's ever gonna happen so i tweeted out and went about my day. Well as is the case on twitter people. Just get mad and so people were big mad. Yesterday at these college football playoff or college football football power index rankings. The absence of the absence of any group of school was the subject of a lot of people's ir and i'm not big on getting big mad on twitter. I'm big on getting answers. So we have tracked down Seth walder who is an espn analytics writer. He is on twitter. At seth walder. I hope he realizes we're not going to yell and scream at him. We're simply going to ask questions. That is a long wind up to have you on seth. how are you doing. Well feel free. That's not what we do. I do for for the uninitiated and look at to the football power index. That you guys have used is a series of new metrics. They've been around for a while but for the uninitiated. What is the fbi. Sure so basically. What is our statistical model that we use to rate every team in college football and project out the season for them both in the pre season and during the year in the way we come up with the ratings There's a whole bunch of different factors has to do with how your teams performed in recent seasons on offense defense and special teams What kind of recruiting you've had over the last four years is your coach back. And how long has your coach. Ben there And what kind of returning production do you have Most importantly a quarterback but of course everywhere else as well so we put all that together. It gives us a ratings rating for every team. And we use to simulate out the season twenty thousand times and that gives us our projections for how many games are gonna win your chance to win. The conference has theresa playoff all of that so and at the top of your rankings. The usual suspects you would imagine. There's alabama oklahoma clemson one-two-three than iowa state. Which is interesting. Ohio state. V who i will ask you about no group of five school and here as i mentioned big things expected for you see i think in the traditional polls expect them to be ranked certainly in the top twenty five maybe the top fifteen perhaps there around the top ten no. uc bearcats. Can you explain why. Yeah there at twenty seven I will say. I was a little surprised myself when they were not in the top. Twenty five the just because they they're bringing back and like i mentioned at the beginning when you have when you bring a quarterback that's about the best thing you can do especially well if it's a good quarterback and winner ranked fourth among returning quarterbacks in qbr last season so That's about as good asset. You can have. But here's the thing. The difference is like we like oklahoma because they're bringing spencer rat went back right but there's a difference between oklahoma cincinnati when it comes to recruiting a significant difference. And so when you have team like cincinnati who finished last year I think fourteenth and fbi thirteen inefficiency. I believe it's gonna expect that. Cincinnati probably gonna take a little bit of a step back from that. And so that's how you kinda ended up in the twenty seven range. It's still it's still definitely essentially saying they're gonna outperform their recruiting rankings. But if it's a step back from last year and i will say this there's a difference between ranking and projection. Right you see. Our cincinnati is the favourite to win. The american not only would make an odd dumping a fifty one percent. So it's all there is not that key distinction and i think you know certainly could have a really nice even you talk about projection. And there's how they will fare against the rest of the conference and probably be preseason favorites when the league does their official preseason voting. I think most would pick cincinnati their schedule this year. It includes schools from power. Five i guess notre dame technically not a power five school but they go to notre dame game that a lot of people here are anticipating for a lot of different reasons and an indiana game that when it was scheduled really was not much more than a blip on the radar but as good as they were last year the fbi rankings have the hoosiers in the top twenty five when you project ahead to two thousand twenty one and you factor in those two games against schools that you have in your top twenty five. What do the ranking say about. How bearcat fan should feel about the upgrade schedule. Krahn glad you brought up the schedule because it is important so we we ultimately project cincinnati to go nine point seven and three point zero that includes the potential conference championship game though not guaranteed so. That's how you kind of end up with a you know and The total number of twelve point. Seven game to me the interesting thing when i look at their schedule if cincinnati. If you're a believer if you're a real believer in this team and you think they can win out against the schedule. Which includes notre dame and indiana has said all our playoff predictor. Give them a forty seven percent chance to reach the playoffs if they were go thirteen. No and that to me was pretty eye opening and ultimately what when our models saying is very unlikely. I mean we're giving it a one and a half percent. Shaw did they can pull that off but if they can. That's a legitimate chance as a group of five teams into the playoffs. And i think it's the schedule that makes that legitimate. Because what you just said that. The metrics factor in what schools return cincinnati. As you. Well know is a place where we're not used to coach. Sticking around luke. Fickle is going to be in year five. He's going to be in year five of his offensive coordinator. He's gonna be in year four essentially of his starting quarterback we referenced desmond ridder They lost some guys on defense to the draft. But that defense top to bottom looks really good when you look at it metrically when you look at it from your point of view on the team is there a. Is there a weakness that the analytics suggests is going to possibly bring them back to the pack a little bit. I don't actually think so. I think like it's not like one of these teams where You have a a huge difference. Between all the in fact i think it's pretty neat in there And so that's why you know. I mean i guess it doesn't matter if you're you know if you have a great offense and a forty great defense and four offense and you're both okay and both. It doesn't really not that much longer than the end. You know your your collective strength is good. But no actually. I think that he's going to be pretty pretty well balanced considering considering what you said. Yeah they're gonna lose a few guys so the draft but But they should be a pretty good team and and yeah we had twenty seven th overall just outside of the top twenty five so to put it in the context context. Would you ask. I mean i think we haven't as the thirtieth best offense in twenty eight best defense going into the year so so that's really that's about as balanced as you. You mentioned how they stack up against the rest of the american athletic conference so kind of a two part question from an fbi standpoint. How good or bad is the. Afc expected to be. And how do you hold up. Cincinnati against other group of five powerhouses. That aren't in the american athletic conference question. Yeah so i think that this year we would say we're anticipating. Ucf to step back. Our model is pretty low on. Ucf part of that is going to be new head coach. Basically the effect is gonna be a regression to the mean. It's just you know you're adding uncertainty there. Even though you're looking at what you know football fans might say is a known quantity in terms of coach. You're still being new coach new situation. You know we were in into something. Reader that's affecting. Ucs there good teams. I mean we put cincinnati. Let's see make him about a field goal better than to wayne. We have the next best team in the conference with memphis right behind them And so i think there are multiple teams. That could could threaten in the afc. But we do like. I said they do fifty one percent chance. They are the best group of five team. I think you mentioned that. At the top. And i think coastal carolina is still the other group of five team to beat the reason being that like cincinnati bringing back ritter coastal carolina's bringing back mccall and so we love their offense. I mean we love their office. And we're not hiring. So so up. The i absolutely love the coastal offense. And that is what's what's keeping coastal all the way Yeah there we have coastal yeah about same same in the same range to in about a field goal worse. Cincinnati another minute with south water. Espn sports analytics writer. He is on twitter. At seth walder. he is explaining the exclusion of uc from the top twenty. Five of the football. Power index You guys are high ohio state. I would be remiss. If i didn't ask them and you assign a ranking to each school's offense and you have ohio state second and their defense which drag down the ranking last year number forty two overall coming into the season sorta give me a snapshot from the the more analytical standpoint of the buckeyes. Yeah so. I absolutely. I mean ohio state some people will say wow Fifth at ohio state highway. That's pretty rough for a team. That was good as they were last year. But yeah they are losing justin feels. He's pretty good and And you know he'll go early in the draft and it's just hard for teams. Who are losing player of that caliber to for the model to be confident as confident as even say it seemed like oklahoma because it has a known quantity at quarterback i failed alabama's number one and they're losing their quarterback but there's a little bit of a difference because there's not equipped to replace quite alabama and so they can they're able to maintain their status number one. St we still have the best team though in the big. I mean i think their favorite to come out of the big ten. We kinda like penn state this year but if you look at their projections sort of new sort of needed because of ohio state but ultimately kinda like cincinnati. Ohio state. A odds on favorite twins conference fifty four percents And and like you mentioned it is a. There is a disparity between the offense and the defense there in heavily favored so yesterday. Cincinnati fans were mad. Who is the fan base. That on an annual basis can be counted upon to be the maddest at your rankings. Good question changes. The problem is that it changes every year. 'cause we're not you know There have been years where i mean. We've kinda gone back and forth zigzagging on texas. It seems like whatever and maybe we're kind of in the middle of this year this year is not not especially your you know. I think it was two seasons ago. Was the last now mixing it up ever was high on texas and we were low and then the previous year we've been hired texas and they were all low. Texans set one year. I think I did see simpson. Ucf fans were not i though they came not to be They're not happy about anything. Just man they just seem to wake up every day looking for a reason to be mad. I've experienced with that. Yeah i think georgia fans are probably not amped about being seven. And i think that's. That's kind of reasonable You can see that. I think to me. The biggest surprises were actually the teams that were like rated higher than everyone else. And that was. I mean not that more attention than mississippi state and a which really did for me at everyone else. I appreciate the explanation. Thank you i hope we can do it again. Thanks so much thank you all right does it. We got answers there. There you go say might not agree. I don't think i. I know i don't but South water espn sports analytics writer. So you can get mad or you can get answers and on this show tehran. We get answers and then we get mad at the answers. But but i we get answers. Follow him on twitter. At seth walder and again i tweeted out a link to week. Read about the rankings. Uc's not the top twenty five. I feel comfortable in saying they will be ranked in the let me get the college football playoff rankings. Have nothing to do with it. So it's just a fun discussion to have in the middle of april Go not in the top twenty five thirteen away from four o'clock a kyle. Caskey has been a war room before. He's helped draft players. He's gotten players ready for the draft. He's made draft evaluations. And he's going to join us at four o. Five to talk about you guessed at among other things the draft. Twelve four. This espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station.

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Hour 2: 11/14/18

The Paul Finebaum Show

37:14 min | 2 years ago

Hour 2: 11/14/18

"The. Pride passion and patterns of college football lives here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Our to podcast. We welcome. You back. We are live in New York as we continue with the program and so much going on today. And appreciate everyone. For being here. We we've had a lot of conversation about about two and the controversies involving that we'll talk a little bit later with Bill Hancock to review what created very little interest or excitement last night. And that's the third college football poll. It was exactly like the previous weeks, and we expected that whether it changes next week may depend on what happens at Yankee Stadium. A couple of miles from where we are right now in lower Manhattan as Syracuse takes on Notre Dame this weekend and someone who has a little bit of a passing interest in this game might Tariq. Oh, of course, a proud alum of Syracuse Caisley drops by Notre Dame games as well. And one of the most. Omnipresent voices in sports, and such a great pleasure to welcome. I to Rico to our show, Mike. Thank you. It'd been too long. I hope you are. Well. All same good to be back with you is this the first time in the history of this show that you've talked Syracuse football. Well, I in fact last year when Syracuse beat Clemson we had Dino babes on and it was quite a treat. I didn't know him very well. But what an engaging personality is. Good personality fascinating. Coach with a pretty long history. You know, fifty seven believe in. I really waited a long time for an opportunity, and then that many many years as assistant eastern Illinois Jimmy Garoppolo there and then moved to bowling green. And now here in really good surkey turned around to a fascinating road. And it reminds you that that young hot higher is not always the right guy. The right time everywhere around the country such an interesting point. Let's talk about this recycled, and then I do wanna digress. Been talk about some of the things that you've been doing since we last saw you what a bit by the way. I mean, what's the backstory on this? How did this game at Yankee Stadium? Yeah. You know, Notre Dame has played the shamrock series games over the years here fall where they've played at Fenway park. Play done in San Antonio played in differ. Parts of the country. He goes kind of in lockstep with Notre Dame's philosophical core of being a national program. And so they've moved home games around when when Notre Dame and Syracuse had series separate from their names associated the see of scheduling socio, they have they played a couple of games have met life stadium home of the jets and the giants and that was in twenty fourteen twenty sixteen so in this game team on the schedule nerdy and home game through the ACC in good faith, decks work. It said he was talking about maybe combining the moving game parv shamrock series. And all that. I don't think when Jack moved the game I've ever gotten. No when he moved a game and decided to this deal last year, anybody thought Syracuse was going to be eight and to actually showing up on the New Year's six projected bowls on last night's football ranking show. So the timing really was not I think they were expecting. But the reality and it might be the best opponent Notre Dame plays of the Michigan game. When all said and done. No, it really does set up. Well for them as everyone wants to debate the college football playoff talking to my to Rico, Mike, I just wanna pause for a second. And I know that you don't like talking about yourself, but I have to insist because your your career has just been. The stuff of dreams for every young kid growing up wanting to go into broadcasting your long run at ESPN, which which was highlighted by by Monday night football. The the move NBC where I don't know if we have enough time to go over every event, you have covered primarily the Olympics would be a good place to start Sunday night football Notre Dame golfed major golf tournaments around the world. What's it been like for you? You are living out many of our dreams. And my own still I even even Saturday ball. I grew up in New York City, and you grow up in New York City any watch replay on channel nine in New York growing up as a kid is a college football fan in a place for college football, wasn't very relevant candidly, and then you're going to Syracuse, and you get all three of those in in one bucket and one day. It's still those things you go. Wow. I can't believe I'm doing this. I always loved sports. Still love sports. I'm still a sports fan. And I've just been really fortunate to be around a lot of extremely talented people the twenty five years ESPN, and now NBC and be able to cover these events and hopefully not make it about us. But making about the athletes, and the places we are and the teams that are playing, and I think at the end of the day that that probably helps you have an ice long. Stay doing this. And we were all less than lucky to do it. We'd be buying season tickets and going to games if they were incentives there for work, and I very fortunate to do that every day one last question that might but the stages are are so big that you've been on. But but I am interested in in the Olympics because it's hard to find a bigger stage in sports than that. Yeah. Paul, you know, I watched the Olympics AFA ever since I got in the business NBC's had the rights to the summer and Winter Olympics, and we do thankfully, the twenty thirties. See college football specialties along way out took the Olympic rights, right? The thing that has been so hard for me is that even though the Olympics of change along the way, there are a lot of things you can point out and say well this season with the Olympic mama was back in recent eighteen ninety six the ancient games. It's still brings people from around the world together to compete in the same event, which is just shorts and you cannot help. But sit there at the opening ceremony in South Korea. This February as I watched north and South Korea walk in knowing that this unified team coming in those North Korean athletes, and the people delegation would never be allowed to set foot and south three and are not today. But the Olympics made it happen. And to me that is still the essence in the spirit of sport. And to know that in twenty eighteen that's still alive. I'll be more financial political interests than way back when it's still gonna give me reasons that excited about what we do for a living. Hey, Hugh reflect back in and I'm not I'm not ending your career. You're you're just beginning in the early days of of a new journey. But. You mentioned the dreams. But at any point or at some point have you just maybe it was the Olympics. Maybe it's golf. Maybe maybe it's whatever that you just look down and said man, I cannot believe I'm sitting doing this almost every day every time you have to do it. He opened the British Open doing with the SPN and continue b c being a part of that through over two decades. The Sunday night games has been a part of the Thursday night games hosting the most watch pre-game show that that network TV ads in sports on football night show every week. Gosh, go in the booth out today. I all the Monday night football games is laughing. Really, this is I'm doing all this. Hopefully, hopefully, it keeps you humble what I love about our businesses the people in it are great. You may get some criticism social media from time to time and Lord knows I will on Saturday 'cause I'll make one fan base who used to be used to like me, not like me. But that's okay. That you buy the fans of so nice when you meet them, and you talk to them you hear it on your show all the time the people in this business have sports television production at an absolute APEC, it's never been better than it is right now. And it's a great age of sports. And we are so fortunate every day to be part of that. If we don't tend to ourselves to remind us has special this is than shame on us for obscene with right under our nose every day. And he mentioned it. And I think fans here what they wanna hear. But here you are broadcasting your alma mater in a game that I'm sure deep down you. You can't no one can help have strong feelings about the the place. It helped launch their career. But but you are the consummate professional beyond that. That's that's not even that's what you're saying about someone doing a game. Let alone at the very Zina's of their career. So as you approach Saturday. I know you think about every broadcast and you're prepared. But this will be different though. Won't it a little bit different little bit fun for sure I I've come to really appreciate Notre Dame. I don't think I appreciated Notre Dame, and it's places and independent on the national scene. Because from what I started at ESPN. That's when NBC's contract started with Notre Dame. So I'd never had the chance to go there for a game to history of the sport. And we love history in the sport. And it keeps it fresh, and it keeps it alive and might be said here Tuesday has been so much in my life. I still very involved in on campus probably four or five times a year involved with different things at the school. But you know for three and a half hours, you can park your allegiances to side. I've tokes. When service plays Boston College next week. I'll be rooting for them again. But for three and a half hours to buy your job or you're doing you're gonna time to be fan boy have pompoms up in the booth when you're calling the game. Brian greasy and his dad call his game that the hang of a lot harder than calling a game to your all the modern. I'd be lucky enough to call probably forty forty five. Syracuse games in basketball and football during my time at ESPN ABC. So and you've been a while since I've done it. But putting those allegiances beside it won't be an issue the three and a half hours of trying to see that receiver is in the slot on thirty five. Yeah. No. I think that's a fair point that when you in never done a game. But I do appreciate the the brilliance of those like you who do, but you're not really anything trying to keep up with the game five. Finally do want to ask you this. Because the easy answer is done everything. But I know you're not going to answer that way. But is there anything out there that you haven't done that is still left because I'm struggling to come up with a singular event in in sports that you haven't been a part of? Well, you know, there's always there's always the Super Bowl and down the line to be involved in our NBC coverage is scheduling timing permits with that I've never done baseball. There's always a curiosity. Meet at Ford, I grew up as a kid loving, but I'd love to try. But I really at the pinnacle the top of the list of things I haven't done his sitting on the finebaum show. Shelby. Would you take calls from Phyllis and the rest of the crew, you know, in your patience of listening to two phone calls is among the most fascinating by play moments in sports history. So I would say Paul that probably filling in when you take your rare days off, maybe in June of that would that would probably be the pinnacle that my. Right on the spot move walk off into the sun. Yeah. My and unfortunately for you if that ever comes it will not be a good sign for your career available. Too funny. I I enjoy the show when I love the show is that the passionate college football fans, so raw it's so real. And it's so tribal, you know, if you live in Arbor and the second I've sent on the air that you know, it Michigan of keep winning Dame keeps when there's no way Michigan should has Notre Dame because the head to head and people pleading then it tend to seem that she would be favored right now. They're playing better. It's it's a very unique part of the sport. Sometimes it's maddening. But it's also the joy of it and your show lives at all the time stuff fun to listen. And listen to people go crazy, Mike such a pleasure. Really? We are. So delighted to have you on. We'll be watching Saturday and do hope to see you one of these days. Thank you. So very much Sameer Paul people do great to connect again. Well, you got it. Great the one and only might Rico joining us. And we are delighted that he could make time for us here today, we are up against a break mortar com. Many more guests including Bill Hancock in an hour to break down the college football poll from last night. We're back after this. You were listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back in Tim Brando. Tweeting about the show wonderful interview of colleague, Mike, Karikal, real gentlemen. Business as usual the host when beyond the game with him, very very few love their jobs, improve it as rarely as my I tell you what that was that was just a when when I was hired by ESPN. Five and a half years ago. The I think the very first note, I got was from Mike Rico, and I really didn't know him very, well, he said, welcome. I just can't wait to work with you one day. He is truly a legendary figure for all of us in this industry. The things that he has done there's virtually nothing he hasn't done. I mean when you host the Olympics when you hosted British Open, these hosted the US open when you do Sunday night football. When you do Notre Dame football of NFL Thursday night. I I'm I mean, he was he was struggling himself to come up with something that he hasn't done just being humble in the Olympics of all things, which is considered the crown jewel of all sports broadcasting. Let's get back to the calls at eight five five to four to seven to eight five. Mark is in Saint Pete. Mark welcome to the program and good afternoon. Thank you. Thank you. Always like scared clear of talking bad about anybody. If I can't say something, I don't generally say anything, but but even Meyer is a liar. Is a liar. When he lives in Florida. And I'm sure you remember this. He was gonna read, you know, take a retirement, then he was going to have a legal absence. And then, you know, part of that was just, you know, just he was just saving face because he was being pressured by our athletic director and. It just seems to me he really through the screwball when he lived Florida. And it just it is as always brought me and I lived in Ohio. I knew he was gonna go for that Ohio State job. It was so obvious that you know, it didn't need to be said, even you know, all the bowl Gators. No it. It's just it's just a damn chain. Let he is a liar. And that really from where he's from way needs to get back down off his medication or something. Because you know, how he got on Donald Trump from what you guys were talking about. I just never know. Well. Yeah. I think I understand that there's a certain in, you know, give Trump credit. He is certainly influence a lot of people. But. Spooky the anti media. I mean the median by the way the median deserves a lot of criticism. I'm not about to sit here. Absolutely. The blindly defend the media. But. Fishing that was allowed for in the constitution. That's never the fourth estate. Yeah. And I'm a big I'm a big believer of the rights of journalists. But sometimes there are stories that they'd give the industry a bad name. No, Dan, no doubt and those mega difficult, and as a result a lot of people just because they they choose to believe what they like. And they don't believe what they don't. You know, you're right about that ball. You're right about that. And it's a shame because I'll tell you the truth that has a dumbing down to America, you know. And it's a shame. Great to hear from Mark stay care about. Thank you very much. That's why we are where we were so fair here about everything. Joe his up next, you know. Hi. Oh, Hello, Joe. Hey, paul. How are you? Thanks for taking the call. Thank you all enjoy your show and in going back through August at all the Zac Smith, the asko, I have all the from world for the reporting you did on and for your opinion. I don't believe that opinions reflect the genders or anything of the sort the one part of the story. One part of the reporting that I would like to just say something on came up again today, the trustees meeting and the gentleman his conviction resigned from the board a hundred percent accurate. But when I don't think gets talked about it there were nineteen other powerful trustees in that room and a lot more of more in. Ver- of urban facing no suspension than fire or the three games. And I just think for full disclosure that should be mentioned once in a while if we're gonna mention the gentleman that quit, but other than that keep on keep it on they call it. The Paul finebaum social you're allowed to have any opinion you want and it's well respected here. Thanks, paul. Joe? That's fair. That's fair comment. Thank you for the call. I do appreciate that. Let's move along and talk a boot in Alabama. Hello boots ball. We are doing. Well. Thank you. Joyce shows on the call. I didn't understand give up on hurts. He must not be coming back because. Yeah. To tool, you know, though, the ball around all that we all know that. But you know, hurts is is alpha male that at them, you know, I know I coach football for a long time and like Bill, and I was Bill and hearses alpha male. And if we get him back, we're going to you wanna tempt you and all minds work with. Based in Georgia on building hit jarred. Dangle? Do we we we Nate y'all always have and and curve your small would that most Russ deep is. That's what got to be Tim ship and Paul you've been watching out mine football, probably wait along with me. And that lost all shared Alabama that they were going but do straight year 'cause we can't stand still and one thing about it. If the beaten of they live come here in about two weeks, Wayne look this week but two weeks ago. We won't put a women all name name and about dogs. We got them. And I don't back. I'd like to know that pretty taking my call. And if all he's back. Yeah, we good shit. I think of. Yeah. I mean, he should be back. I don't know the date, but he should be back before the end of the season. Thank you for the call pre she'd it very much we were up against the break, Seth Walder who will break down the analytics of the college football playoff Joyner, short short-leg. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome. You back to the program. One of the Staples of our Wednesday shows of roller ESPN analytics brought to you by holiday express, me ready. So Seth thank you, very very much. Let's talk about the playoff for dictator as we get ready for week twelve of the college football season, Clemson, but better shot than Alabama is that schedule based or or what is it? What is that based on entirely schedule based we think album is the better team. But it's just a matter of who Clemson has. And they're looking at Pitt in the ACC championship game. I do think the interesting thing about our projections. Are now is that though clemson's the most likely team to reach the playoff? We still have Alabama is the most likely team to win the national championship and a place where you see a similar kind of situation and even more stark as we have Notre Dame the third most likely team to make it right in that three and four range, but. Georgia who has less than half the chance to make the playoff as Notre Dame has a better chance to win the national title. I think that shows you what our model thinks about the quality of Notre Dame. Even if they are likely to get in. I've been up here today talking with various people about who could possibly come from the rare seems like every year I'm talking about the the buckeyes and and some years they get in some years. They know they're always they're always right on the bubble for whatever reason fourteen to two years ago last year, and then this year how much is that Purdue game going to haunt them as as they beat Michigan, by the way. Yeah. No, even if they beat Michigan. I think that Purdue game could come back to haunt them. Like, you said, so if everybody wins out like, you know, the top four teams went out, we we can all see that. That's just going to be the playoff. But if a high oh state beats Michigan. And you also have Oklahoma win out. We actually give Oklahoma by very small margin. A better. Chance to get in Ohio State. And like you said that Purdue loss is really brutal. That's going to be the thing. I think that the committee if it did go home would probably point to and say, that's what held out Ohio State. It's a it's a regular Wednesday conversation. What if an you know, where I'm going Seth what if Georgia each Alabama. Like, this is I mean, it's a really fascinating situation. It's a great time of year because we get to talk about this. If if that happens firstly, let's plan for nature aside for a second. I mean think about the position that committee is going to be in his very precarious. They've straddle this line between best and most deserving in the past. And this would really make them pick a sign. I mean, if you leave that Alabama you're leaving out the best team in the country. But if you put Alabama and instead of say, Michigan, then you're saying conference championship still matter strength of schedule matter. And so that's a really tough choice for the committee. I'll say this the playoff predict or is. Reasonably clear here. I mean, it could go either way. But he does pretty clearly think that Michigan would be the favourite to get in over a twelve and one Alabama in that scenario for the last spot, which I think is pretty interesting. And here's the other thing Alabama's chances if it does lose to Georgia could hinge on the big ten because if it's a high oh state and not Michigan that it's fighting for that last spot, we think that actually Alabama might it in a head of Ohio State, and it could again come back to that Purdue loss. I realized with Alabama losing late all kinds of other factors. But but we would agree would would not that up until that moment on the fourteenth week of the season. They've been the best team. So why would Michigan Trump Alabama in that situation? Now, I agree. I think they are the best team the problem for the committee is if you look at if you do that if you put Michigan if you leave Michigan out, and then and put Alabama, and it's like, what are we? What are we doing here with all playing playing these games? We know it's a predetermined decision that Alabama's getting in. No matter what why two conference championships matter, and why do you bother scheduling a tough non conference game. I mean, maybe that's maybe that's why Nick saving doesn't do it. But if you if you're Michigan and you have scheduled Notre Dame have tougher schedule. You go twelve and one you win the big ten, and that's not. Enough to get you in. I think it would be a lot of people say, wait, maybe these conference champions really don't matter as much as we thought. Let's talk Washington state. They have a chance to put up an epic season. The the apple Cup coming up and certainly the Pac twelve championship game. Although that would be a really weird game. What about what about Oiseaux? Are. They going to get in. If some chaos range note, they're not going to I'll tell you. Why we I think a one percent chance, and here's the problem for Washington state because I know that sounds like, you know, they're a one loss power five team. They ought to have shot. Here's the problem. If nineteen percent chance to win out right there need to win out. But they're at the bottom of the pecking order of teams with two with fewer than two losses in the power five. So what do they need to win out nineteen percent chance they need northwestern to win the big ten. That's a fifteen percent chance. They need Alabama to Georgia that's likely to happen. But not a. Not and they need the big twelve champion to have two losses. So maybe West Virginia Oklahoma split that's a lot of things together. And when you combine them all you really only get basically a one percent chance. So. Yeah. Sure. Washington state keep fighting, but it just really doesn't seem like the dominoes are gonna fall everywhere else for them. Now the chance this is the biggest week and UCF history game day primetime with Chris in Kirk. So I bring all that up knowing that you Seth are going to bring good news to our fringe in Orlando about their prospects of getting in the college football playoff spent it. All right. Well, I'm gonna have to my phone after this. But look you see we just do not see a feasible path to the playoff for UCF. We talked about how hard it is for Washington state. Think about how hard it is. Then for UCF, they need a slew of things to happen. And it's just not. Going to happen. We talked last week about their strength of schedule. Guess what? It went up a tiny bit. You have the hundred ninth hardest schedule in the country. Congratulations. It's not gonna be enough playoff predictor is politics neutral. So if there's a way for them to get in it's because politics, but in terms of what the committee has shown in the past. No UCF will not be getting in the playoff. Sorry. Sorry to be the bearer bad news. So even screaming and hollering, and and bringing funny signs making fun of commentators like you and Kurt freaks Saturday won't help them. Get in. Bring it on give it a shot. See what happens and we'll find out on selection day. Who was right says Walder bidding some truth out about UCF Cecil see next week. Thanks as always, thanks for great stuff. As predicted Bill Hancock. We'll give his take on the analytics with the committee said behind closed doors, or maybe he will. He'll join us a little bit later on Andy Staples per hour. We already had Mike Tariq. Oh on it's been a busy show. Stick around listening to Paul finebaum. She'll podcast. -nology truth brought to you by code. Truth teenagers, can communicate entirely emojis. Why stop birthday party pizza slice kitten sucker ball pineapple proof. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. What are you talking about paperclips shoulder? Shrug high five wizard hat what? Geico, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Welcome back. It's been a really good show today. And we have a long way to go. Many more guest to come including the always dynamic Bill Hancock coming up here. At the top of the next hour. Carl is in Kentucky, you're on the air. Go right ahead. Hello, paul. Hey, Carl call. Thank you very much. I agree with Mike on his take on your patience. You have the patience of Joe. Hey, one of your callers yesterday talked about the wanting Kentucky fans after last Saturday. And I say why my feel that way. But I saw more as a disappointment. And what seemed to be a lack of preparation and effort on the cat's pardon to use the market comparison is like the Dow dropping six on day. They gave back all of the games this year that one game. I I agree with you. That was that was terrible. First time in my memory. I think Kentucky actually had the better talent on fail Saturday, but the shared didn't put out the effort one question. I'll let you go in your lifetime. Did you ever think Kentucky fans would be whining over a nine and three possible record? No. And I, but, but you know, and I know, and I don't mean this disparagingly coral, but. I think back on the season and the opportunities let the lost against am the play calling and overtime was abysmal. And then not being prepared for that game last week, this this really very easily could have been an eleven to one team it. Sure could. And it's Ray is expectation level of the fans. I think that's a good thing. Great to have you on. Thank you. Greg is up next in Alabama. Hello, greg. Paul what's up, Greg? Hey. Awesome things earlier about Alabama Clemson weaknesses. And I think that this game will be if they get to play each other. We'll be decided by the quarterbacks and the secondaries that's where it's going to be because Clemson has really good defensive line. But it didn't impact last year results in that game as much as Ella bama's defense did. And secondly. I think eventually the power five or go to pull out and form their own organization maintain this four game playoff and that will L the group of five to move forward with their own playoff. And then everybody gets more football and everybody's happy. What do you think? Right now. I don't think anything's going to change Greg the monies to too great. And that's one thing that all of these colleges and their administrators love more than anything else. Yeah. And here's the thing, you know, everybody talks about equity equity scheduling, and we're never going to have equity scheduling, even if we got everybody to play only. Power five schools. You're still not even gonna have equity and scheduling then because every team is so fluid each year in one team schedules, not going to be the same as the other. And so as bad as these games are coming up that we've been talking about the last couple of days until something major happens to cause it to change it won't change. And we'll still be talking about it next year. Thanks for taking exit is bad as this week is and it's pretty bad. I would agree. The next to be pretty good in the final week will be great. So thanks for the call pre sheet that very much Dickey is in Florida. You're on the air. Go right ahead. Any balls golfer? A time calling long time trying to get in to see you. So Papa thank you. Have you on like, you know, been got a problem? A lot of coach of love that is to really good quarterbacks national championship quarterbacks. But I wanna take my hat off to Jalen earth. He's a fine. Young man. Stood up as good as team used on them. You can tell it. He has back to all the way probably one of their cheerleaders. And I just think he just a Pat on the back, and I don't want the fan university of Alabama. Forget Jalen hurts. Just a fine. Young man. You're right. I think the there is hope that he will be back either next week or the week after four limited duty he may be needed. But with him, I think Alabama will feel a lot better about to health and without him. I won't read on anybody else. Just dick. You're right. I mean, if Alabama ends up winning the title this year, Jalen sticking around will forever. Be remembered he won't be here next year, but that's his rugged. But he he is certainly earned the respect of so many people Daniel is up next Daniel go right ahead. How you doing today where you're doing great? Thank you for the call good dad have been listening to you for years. We used to listen to you on the radio. Now, we can watch on TV. But I thank you. I was gonna say I've never really disagreed with any coach savings decisions. But I'm not sure I agree with this one. Like, I know too is great quarterback in all. But I mean, he's still a kid in school. You know, what I mean safety should come first like, it's obvious. I'm not sure what's behind Nick savings public attitude toward he I think what he's trying to say. This is just some mushroom ising situation that I've got one hundred players we deal with every one of them individually. I don't think he likes the noise. I don't think he likes putting on ESPN in the morning and saying is to play that drives him off off the deep end. So he's downplaying it. I don't completely believe some of what he said. But I will also be shocked if two plays more than a series or two in the game. Now, Nick Sabin has been stubborn before him his his inability to to deal with lane kiffin for one week one more week may or may not have cost Alabama title. That's debated. I think it did actually. Yeah. I do too. But you know, it's kinda hard to quibble about what the championship saving didn't win. When he's one five at Alabama, right? Right. Well, thanks, thanks. Thank you. Appreciate you being being a fan for so long a lot. Let's check in with Jim in Orlando. Hello, jim. Hey, paul. How are you doing? We're doing great. Thank you so much. How do you think you see his gonna do this week this Saturday? CFO? I will think you see you see a win the game, certainly hope. So because I am a big fan is anyone in the country. I've been following UCF most of my life. But I'm I'm really gator fan. But how do you think the Gators are to do this weekend? Gators. Yeah. Remember who they're playing? Oh, idaho. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think I think they'll to Lynn. Yeah. That worked at the high school of Lebed Franks went to. Oh, yeah. Wall can't walk. Call high school. I worked there for eighteen years. Jim thanks for the call. Appreciate it. Bill. Hancock is coming up next.

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4/14/21 - The Mo Egger Show

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4/14/21 - The Mo Egger Show

"No one covers the bengals. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. How're you doing good afternoon. My name's molester. This is espn fifteen thirty. Thanks so much for listening hope. You're having a fantastic wednesday. A said thursday feels like thursday but it's wednesday to wednesday terry working late lots to get to yesterday afternoon. Espn dot com released. Its preseason fpi top twenty five might be wondering what is what is the fbi not not fbi the fbi football power index the football index football power index preseason top twenty five rankings. Espn released him yesterday and noteworthy by their absence. Were the uc bearcats which this is a team that has a good chance to be ranked the chance to be ranked in the top fifteen and maybe somewhere around the top ten when the ap top twenty five and usa today coaches polls come out right before the season and a chance i think the bearcats the prohibitive preseason favorite in the american athletic conference. And maybe the odds on favorite among all the group of five schools to get to a new your six ballgame and perhaps have the best argument to be the first g five school to breakthrough in the college football playoff so it is interesting that metrics do not have them in the top twenty five so this made some bearcat fans big mad big mad just mad but big man so instead of getting mad. I wanted answers. So we're gonna have seth walder. Espn sports analytics writer to explain what espn's fpi is and why the bearcats were excluded from the fbi. Preseason top twenty five that conversation in just about twenty five minutes in one hour. We'll talk some draft with former bengals assistant coach. Kyle caskey longtime friend of this show will go into what the draft processes like from a coaching perspective. Obviously someone who was there. When the bengals draft joe mixon someone instrumental in the development of giovanni bernard he has thoughts and perspectives on both a lot to get with him and bryan hamilton. From the athletic is going to be on this show at five zero five. He was along with justin williams. He put together a list when uc's coaching vacancy. I came up five days ago. Had a list of candidates. And i'll be honest with you. I have no idea how this coaching search is going to. There've been different times. Where i felt like i had a feel and you can hear from any number of quote unquote insiders or people who are connected to people. And they'll tell you like l. Each tell you something different. I've gone from thinking. This was going to be eric martin to thinking this was going to be ronald norad to this. Was going to be any number of people who have been talked about dennis gates. Jeff bose name has come up. I don't know wes miller. I could find. I could find like you know a person connected with insight to thinks it's going to be any of these people so we that some of the candidates with bryan hamilton at five zero five. And if somehow between now and five zero five we find out who. Uc's basketball coach is going to be them. We'll get bryan. Hamilton's reaction see how that works. Pretty good start out with this. Reds are in san francisco at this afternoon. Trying to win the series against the giants. I hate to say that the eleventh game of the season was frustrating. I hate to say that the fourth loss of the season was frustrating. I hate to say that a team that so far has been you might say. A pleasant surprise did anything to frustrate last night. I hate to say that a team that is in first place with a huge run. Differential is frustrating. But last night was because when you give the guy who was supposed to be your staff as a four. Nothing lead in the first inning. You're supposed to win that game and instead not only the reds not win the game but a major reason why didn't win. The game is louise's castio given a a four. Nothing lead based on the strength of joey votto with mike moustakas home runs gave the four runs back instantly in the bottom of the first inning. He's had some struggles in years past with games in which the reds gave him a lot of runs early. I remember nick cells big-league debut remember that friday night early may two thousand and nineteen red score bunch of runs early. Louise went seven but still gave those runs back. That was kind of a problem that year. Reds lose the game seven two six last night in a vacuum. Not a big deal. It's a one off. Its seven and four. They're fine there are some issues you could worry about the front end of the bullpen. And i think that's fair. There seems to be kind of a dearth of reliable relievers right now but more than anything for me the reds to win the games that louise custody starts and you certainly got to win the games. That lewis castio starts when you're giving him a four nothing lead. They didn't now where their issues between the least castio and tucker barnhart talked about this earlier today with tony. Pike if you look at it. Statistically there have been times where he and tucker have performed a tandem not as well as louise and curt casali kirk anymore because curt casali is on the team. The reds are playing right. Now here's david bell specifically on what went wrong last night. I think they really settled in After that i think it was no couple of fastballs cut too much up. Played in a couple really good hitters met. That's what i saw after that You know movies. Surely at a great shot to to get us through the fifth and What's a with a lead It's not easy to do after long for runs in the first but that that's what i saw. Just you know it happens down into a guy like this just catches a little bit too much the plate david bell last night. Louise casio's line. Not pretty. he did do a good job of getting out of some jams laid and it's worth pointing out that he did lead. Leave the game with a five to four lead. The bullpen has some problems right now but nonetheless the main thing for me last night you give a staff ace and staff as subjective. It's not an official title that you wear. But you give your staff as you give your go-to guy afford zip lead. You're supposed to win that game and that didn't happen last night. There are other reasons for that. Not the least of which is the reds bats largely going silent over the last seven or eight innings but this is a critical season for louise casteel and not in critical season from the standpoint of. He's gonna be out of a gig if he doesn't pitch well this year. But you know we're we're not talking about a precocious inexperienced prospect. Who just came up anymore louise. Steel is in his fourth four. Big league season that includes last year. Which wasn't a full year for anybody but this is supposed to be his fourth full big league season. We have seen louise castio at times. Tantalize the ways for the run. The trevor bauer got in september. Last year was really really good down the stretch in critical games in which reds had to win. We've obviously seen as resume a former all star and he is a guy that you looked last year. He was a major reason. Why that rotation coming into last season was as as as highly regarded as it was and he was a reason why that starting staff last season during the sixty game. Sprint of a year was as good as it was. But let's let's face it man. This guy twenty eight years old. He's being groomed to be the as the perception is. He's going to be the ace. Does he get leapfrogged by tyler. Molly i dunno. Tyler is gonna pitch today maybe trust sonny gray a little bit more perhaps regardless of the semantics of it. We're talking about a twenty eight year old. Former all star that the reds invested a lot of time in equity that the reds traded for. And then i would probably like to pay long term. And if you're gonna in in a year like this if you're going to contend a season after you let go of the reigning national league cy young award yes it's great if all these other dudes behind louise castio can step up. But this is the guy. You're looking for a special season from not that. He was bad last year far from it. Not that he was bad the year before far from it but if you've watched him over the last couple of years i think there's been this sense of the best is yet to come. It doesn't mean that that's not the case. I'm not gonna bag on that. Because he's had two bad starts his opening day start. Aided by defense was bad as well. But i think he's under a microscope for a lot of different reasons this year number one. The back of the rotation is not as good number two trevor. Bowers no longer here number three. The bullpen has all sorts of visuals number. Four like like every pitcher in baseball navigating a season which he's going to be asked to pitch many many many many more innings than he did last year. Also with that these small margin for error with this team. Right now the herky-jerky maker nature of the offense which is likely to be thing this year. It's a lot on the west castio and then you add to it. Where's his place long-term right. Well how much do they want to lock into long-term. There's lots of reasons why he's really under the microscope and while nobody is begging on the prospects of him answering the bell this year. And it's worth pointing out the last wednesday against the pirates. He was really really good so far his performances top to bottom have been underwhelming and last night was really disappointing. Because again you give a guy like louise casteel. Four runs in the first inning. You expect to win that game last night. The reds did not quarter after three now That was frustrating but the news and frankly the bad news isn't limited to the way lewis pitch last night and some of the bullpen issues. The reds had last night. The bad news now encompasses michael lorenzen michael lorenzen. If you recall at the end of spring training suffered a slight right shoulder strain and the idea was they were going to try to make him a starter and the shoulder strain was going to keep him from what they thought. We're going to be what they hoped. We're going to be at least his first couple of starts well. He has since been transferred to the sixty day injured list which means he is going to miss at least the next two months. Cincinnati has claimed. Lefty philip deal. Who want molar off waivers from the rockies he'll be option to the aaa alternate site in louisville and takes lorenzen spot on the forty man roster lorenzen. Last outing was in spring training game just about a month ago march twentieth. You recall. He stopped in the middle of the third inning. Because he says he quote felt a little bit of a stretch in his shoulder it is worth pointing out. two thousand. Eighteen missed the first couple of months because of a great one strain on the terrorist major near his right shoulder week later march twenty seventh tries to throw a bullpen. It doesn't go. Well start the season on the injured list and now that absence is going to be extended two months and look i think there's some decent arms in that bullpen right now but if the idea was for lorenzen to come back to the pen well that's not the case and if the idea was for him to be in the starting rotation and all all season and for most of the spring. That was the idea. Michael lorenzen spot which certainly didn't guarantee a great start every five days but his spot in the rotation gets taken up by somebody who is likely a less than ideal option or a less ideal option. Then michael lorenzen. So that's worth paying attention to the good news is sonny gray is scheduled to come back this week. That has been confirmed. You will hear from sunny when we come back five one. Three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven two three seven seven six. Our our phone numbers some good. Nfl draft coming up in the four o'clock hour. Some good college basketball stuff as we continue to wait out. Uc's coaching search. It was today two years ago. John brennan was named. Uc's head coach two years later to the day. Could john blunt. Brent could john brennan's replacement named or at least reported on god. I hope so brian hamilton. From the athletic at five five. But first sonny gray is back. You'll hear from the reds other ace next on. Espn fifteen thirty one. Other thing about the game last night. That home plate empire was awful. I not big you know. Pick on the home plate umpire guy. But here's here's the problem now in this day and age of well we've gotta fix everything in baseball rodman for now in the atlantic league. They're gonna move the mound back which i have mixed feelings about. They wanna they wanna do a rule in the atlantic league now where a team gets a da age but at the starting pitcher comes out the d. h. has to come out. I not really sure. I i completely understand that but i actually have thoughts on the longer. Mound the deeper against the move back. Mount if you will but in this day and age where we've got to fix everything and fix everything with technology if you complain about the umpiring and last night's umpiring that was for both teams frankly the reds benefited greatly from it. If if i were to sit down my daughter is going to be four years old in just about a month and she will on occasion. Sit with me and watch baseball. But let's face it. She's too young to really know what's going on. And she has zero attention span but when she gets to the age where she might want to sit down with me and start learning about the game. I would have a hard time with last night's game pointing to her going. Okay here's what the strike zone is because that dude last night it was all over the joint high. I mean there were times. I'm watching the tv. Broadcast john sadek. Who's doing a nice job. In the bali sports ohio booth with jeff brantley. They were incredulous. Couldn't believe some of the calls that were made last night now. Aristide is a keen on. My favorite player has to swing the bat. When he's got two strikes and it gets a fastball down that fast ball down the pike but still that but see now. If i complain about the empire then the instant solution that's going to be thrown at me is robot umpires gonna have robot smo- we which we don't we don't need creepy nece robot dumpster creepy every time it's like with replay replay. Him constantly told got the technology. Get the calls right and then we do is complain about replay. The other night braves phillies sunday night. Game dude was called safe when his foot didn't hit the play they go to replay. He's still called safe. What are we doing in the nfl and the nba. In college basketball we have replayed garbage baseball. It's garbage so we keep throwing technology problems. That don't don't fix the problems so no. We don't need creepy robot umpires. We need better umpires like it is a travesty. That major league baseball has said in its performance reviews of hernandez who was not the home plate umpire in san francisco last night but they have said performance reviews of angel hernandez he's not a good umpire and yet every single day from spring to late summer to late fall angel hernandez his work in a game get better umpires find better umpires trained better umpires but don't robot ump's taken a robot empire because that dude was horrific sunny gray is gonna come back and make his two thousand twenty. One debut on saturday will at home for three games sets against the indians. Jeff hoffman is going to pitch on friday. I don't know why i said. His name hoffman. It sounds like i'm coughing up. Wait miley is gonna pitch on sunday which means sandwiched in between sonny gray. This moves jose daily owned to the bullpen. He is available today for what ordinarily would be his side session. Day since he's been in the starting rotation for the first two weeks but the good news is sonny gray is back here. He is chatting with reporters earlier today. I'm excited to go. It's it's been it's been a little while so yes i'm excited out there for sure. Are you full. Go like go until the ball comes out of your hands or do you think you'll be somewhat pitch count limited just because the first time out. I don't see there being a like a. I don't see there being like a pitch count type thing like a five in this or six in this. I think it's It feels like go out there and go out there and go go out there and go and that's kind of why we took an another extra little step here There some discussions of maybe come. Come into on on this day or this day but i think from the beginning of spring when we did this. It was kind of like okay. Let's let's plan for a little bit later that way we could To your point you your to your question. You just asked that way could be a full. Go once you're back you're back you're not. It's not like a foreigner build up on your back or a five inning built up. It said when you know when you come back you know. Hit the ground running in. Let's go so that's Kind of where we're at with that night. Sunny great chatting with reporters will make two thousand and twenty one debut on saturday when the reds host the indians in the second game of a three-game series. So we have that. That's good news. The bad news. Michael lorenzen gone for at least the next two months and also this afternoon to get a pitching matchup. That i think is pretty interesting between tyler. Molly and johnny cueto johnny. Cueto one of my all time favorite reds and i would i would venture to say that if we were to talk about popular reds of the last ten years that if johnny cueto doesn't wouldn't get the most votes that he is going to finish somewhere in the top three maybe top five against tyler malley reds have a chance with a win today to come away with a five hundred record on the road trip before an off day tomorrow leading up to friday series opener against the indians. We will update you throughout the course of the afternoon on. What's happening in san francisco but college. Football is inching closer. Uc has their spring game. This weekend and this is last. Year was a season of massive expectations for the bearcats. And honestly it's pretty rare in. Sports team lives up to those expectations. They went undefeated. Came this close to winning the peach bowl. The expectations may be bigger this year. And as much as i am totally skeptical that you see or anybody. Outside of the power five is ever going to be given a shot to compete. In the college football playoff there will be college. Football playoff chatter at least before the season acknowledging the difficulties of the schedule where the bearcats have to go to both indiana and notre dame the expectation is a preseason top twenty. Five ranking the expectation. I think a preseason top fifteen maybe top ten ranking that's something called espn's football power index does not have them ranked in the top twenty five a lot of uc fans. Were mad about this yesterday. I'm not mad. I'm just curious. And so we're going to chat with a seth walder seth walder is with. Espn helps put together their football power index and officially. He's an espn sports analytics writer. And he's on twitter. At seth walder most importantly he's on this show next a former bengals. Assistant kyle caskey will be on the show and thirty minutes to Answer a bunch of different graph related questions. I'm allegra this is espn fifteen. Twenty seven from four. So yesterday morning espn released their football power index rankings college football rankings. Football power index has been around for a while and it's a useful tool frankly. It's a useful tool. I always look at the football power index numbers when i make wagers but but nonetheless it's interesting preseason fodder and so i tweeted out a link to their top twenty five and i just wrote interesting because notable by their absence i thought was the university of cincinnati right. We're expecting big things from the bearcats. Good chance to be preseason favorites in the league coming off undefeated season should have a very good defense as ritter's coming back there's gonna be folks who raise the bar really high. Think they can run the table and go undefeated maybe crack into the college football playoff even though. I'm very skeptical. That that's ever going to happen so i tweeted it out and went about my day. Well as is the case on twitter people just get mad and so people were big man. Yesterday at the college football playoff or college football football power index rankings. The absence of the absence of any group of high school was the subject of a lot of people's eyes. And i'm not big on getting big mad on twitter. I'm big on getting answers. So we have tracked down. Seth walder who is an espn analytics writer. He is on twitter at seth. Walder hope he realizes we're not going to yell and scream at him. We're simply going to ask questions. That is a long wind up to have you on. How're you doing. Well feel free to yellow. that's not what we do. I do for for the uninitiated. It's not like football power index. That you guys have used is a series of new metrics. They've been around for a while but for the uninitiated. What is the fbi. Yeah sure so. Basically what fbi is is. It's our statistical model that we used to ray every team in college football and project out the season for them both in the preseason and during the year even the way we come up with the ratings There's a whole bunch of different factors has to do with how your teams in recent seasons on offense defense and special teams kind of recruiting. You've had over the last four years. You're coach back. And how long has your coach been there. And what kind of returning production do you have. most importantly quarterback but of course everywhere else as well so we put all that together gives us a a rating a rating for every team. And we use that to simulate out the season twenty thousand times and that gives us our projections for how many games you're gonna win your chance to win the coffins. Chancery play off all of that so at the top of your rankings. The usual suspects you would imagine. There's alabama oklahoma clemson one-two-three than iowa state. Which is interesting. Ohio state. V who i will ask you about no group of five school and here as i mentioned big things expected for you. I think in the traditional polls we expect them to be rank certainly in the top twenty five maybe the top fifteen perhaps around the top ten No uc bearcats. Can you explain why. Yeah there are twenty seven. I will say i was a little surprised myself when you were not in the top. Twenty five the just because they hit bringing back and like i mentioned at the beginning when you have when you bring a quarterback back. That's about the best thing you can do especially that well if it's a good quarterback and litter ranked fourth among returning quarterbacks in qbr last season so That's about as good asset you can have. But here's the thing. The difference is like we like oklahoma because they're being spencer rat went back right. There's a difference between oklahoma and cincinnati when it comes to recruiting a significant difference. And so when you have a team like cincinnati who finished last year I think fourteenth and fbi thirteenth inefficiency. I believe it's gonna expect that's something that is probably gonna take a little bit of a step back from that and so that's how you kinda of up in the twenty seven range. It's still probably still definitely essentially saying they're going to outperform their recruiting rankings. But it's a step back from last year. And i will say that there's a difference between ranking and projection right. Uc are cincinnati. Is the favorite to win. The american not only make them an odd dumping fifty one percent. So it's all there is a key distinction. And i think you know cincinnati certainly could have a really nice you talk about projection and there's how they will fare against the rest of the conference and probably gonna be preseason favorites when the league does their official preseason voting i think most would pick cincinnati there schedule this year. It includes two schools from power. Five i guess notre dame technically not a power five school but they go to notre dame game that a lot of people here are anticipating for a lot of different reasons and an indiana game that when it was scheduled really was not much more than a blip on the radar but as good as they were last year the fbi rankings have the hoosiers in the top twenty five when you project ahead to two thousand twenty one and you factor in those two games against schools that you have in your top twenty five. What do the rankings say about. How bearcat fan should feel about the upgrade schedule wrong. Glad you brought up the schedule because it is important so we ultimately with projections to go nine point seven and three point oh that includes the potential conference championship game though. Not guaranteed so. That's how you kinda ended up with a you know the total number of twelve point seven games to me. The interesting thing. When i look at their schedule is if cincinnati. If you're a believer if you're a real believer in this team and you think they can win out against schedule. Which includes notre. Dame edna has said our playoff predictor gives them a forty seven percent chance to reach the playoffs if they were to go thirteen. No and that to me was pretty eye opening and ultimately what when our models saying is we think that's very unlikely i mean we're giving it a one and a half percent shah did they can pull that all but if they can. That's a legitimate chance as a group of five team into the playoffs. And i think it's the schedule that makes that legitimate because of what you just said. The metrics factor in what schools return cincinnati. As you. Well know is a place where we're not used to a coach. Sticking around luke. Fickle is going to be in year five. He's going to be in year five of his offensive coordinator. He's going to be in year. Four essentially of his starting quarterback we referenced desmond ridder. They lost some guys on defense to the draft. But still that defense top to bottom. Looks really good. When you look at it metrically when you look at it from your point of view on the team. Is there a. Is there a weakness that the analytic suggests is gonna possibly bring them back to the pack a little bit. I don't think so. I think like it's not like one of these teams where You have a huge difference between offense. The fact i think it's pretty neat in there And so that's what i mean. I guess it doesn't ultimately matter if you're you know if you have a great offense and defense are great defense and offense you both you okay. Both it doesn't really matter that much as long as in the end you know your your collective strength is good. But no actually. I think he's going to be pretty pretty well balanced considering considering what you said. Yeah they're gonna lose a few guys so the draft but But they should be a pretty good team and we had twenty seven th overall just outside of of the top twenty five so to put it into contact cut context with you as the thirtieth best offense and twenty eight best defense going into the year. So that's really that's about as dallas as you get. You mentioned how they stack up against the rest of the american athletic conference so kind of a two part question from an fbi standpoint. How good or bad expected to be. And how do you hold up. Cincinnati against other group of five powerhouses. That aren't in the american athletic conference question. Yeah so i think that this year we would say we're anticipating. Ucf to step back. Our model is pretty low on. Ucf part of that is going to be new head coach. Basically the effect is gonna be a regression to the mean. It's just you know you're adding uncertainty there. Even though you're looking at what football fans might say is a known quantity in terms of coach. You're still bringing a new coach new situation it you know. We were arrested in me. Something reader now. That's affecting their good teams. I mean we put cincinnati. Let's see make him about a field goal better than to wayne who we have is the next best team in the conference with memphis right behind them And so i think there are multiple teams. That could could threaten in the acc. But we do like. I said tonight. He fifty one percent chance. They are the best group of five team. I think you mentioned that. At the top. And i think coastal carolina is still the author google fi team to be the reason being that likes cincinnati bringing back ritter coastal carolina's bringing back mccall and so we love their offense. I mean we love their all. We're not hiring. They need to up the. I absolutely love the coastal offense. And that is what's what's keeping coastal all the way Yeah we have coastal. Yeah about same same in the same range to land about a field goal worst cincinnati. Another minute with south water. Espn sports analytics writer. He is on twitter. At seth walder he is explaining the exclusion of uc from the top twenty five of the football power index. You guys are high in ohio state. I would be remiss. If i didn't ask them and you assign a ranking to each school's offense and you have ohio state second and their defense which you know i mean dragged down the ranking last year number forty two overall coming into the season sort of give me a snapshot from the more analytical standpoint of the buckeyes so absolutely i mean ohio state. I think some people look at that. And say wow Fifth highest state highway state. That's pretty rough for a team. That was as good as they were last year. But they are losing just feels. He's pretty good and And you know he'll he'll go early in the draft and it's just hard for teams who are losing a player of that caliber to for the model to be confident as competent. Even say a team like oklahoma because it has a known quantity at quarterback. I failed that alabama's number one and they're losing their quarterback. But there's a little bit of a difference because there's no team equipped to replace talent quite like alabama and so they can never able to maintain their status number one but will house. We still have the best team though in the big ten. I mean i think they're the favourite to come out of the big ten. We kinda like penn state this year but he look at their projections. Sort of new sort of needed because of ohio state but ultimately kinda like cincinnati ohio states. A odds on favorite twins conference fifty four percents And and like you mentioned it is. There is a disparity between the offense and the defense. They're in heavily favorite the often so yesterday. Cincinnati fans were mad. Who is the fan base. That on an annual basis can be counted upon to be the maddest at your rankings. Ou good question on changed a lot of problems and it changes every year. Because like we're not you know There have been years where i mean. We've kinda gone back and forth zigzagging on texas. It seems like whatever and they kind of in the middle of this year. This year's not not especially your you know. I think it was two seasons ago. Was it last season now. Mixing it up. Every every was high on texas and we were low and then the pd. Here we've been hired in texas and they were all low texas set one year. I think I ucf fans were not happy though they they tend not to be They're not happy about anything. Man data seem to wake up every day of her reason to be mad. I've experienced with that. Yeah i think georgia fans are probably not amped about being seven. And i think that that's kinda reasonable You can see that. I think to me the big surprises. Were actually the teams that were like rated way. I don't that everyone else. And i mean not that more attention than mississippi state and in which really did for me and everyone else. I appreciate thea explanation. Thank you hope we could do it again. Thanks so much grand kids. Thank you all right. Let's see we got answers. There you go so might not agree. I don't think i do. I know i don't but south water. Espn sports analytics writer. So you can get mad or you can get answers and on this show tear get answers and then we get mad at the answers but book i we get answers. Follow him on twitter at south water. And again i tweeted out a link to weak. Read about the rankings. Uc's the twenty. Five i feel comfortable in saying they will be ranked in the let me get the college football playoff rankings. Have nothing to do with it. So it's just it's a fun discussion to have in the middle of april but there you go in the top twenty five thirteen away. From four o'clock a caskey has been in a war room before he's helped draft players. He's gotten players ready for the draft. He's made draft evaluations. And he's going to join us at four zero five to talk about. You guessed it among other things the draft twelve from four. This is espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station score in the top of the first inning. The giants are batting and the bible of the first inning. Because that's how the rules work scoreless scoreless bottom one. The one talamona. Johnny cueto on the hill today. Jesse winker leadoff. Single was wasted by the way at the at the bengals announced today in a pretty pretty slickly. Slickly produce looked pretty good nice video. They made they made a video and it was good. It was seven minutes which is a little bit on alongside but still pretty good that they are going to unveil their new uniforms on monday morning at nine. Am the big uniform. Reveal the big unveiling remember the striped helmets to remain the same. But it's gonna be there first uniform change since two thousand four. I am going to predict what my reaction is going to be. Okay i say this as a uniform nerd somebody who's been begging bengals to get new uniforms since about five minutes. After they unveiled their uniforms in two thousand four every august my one wish for the preseason as the bengals take the field in new uniforms that we haven't seen before and it never comes true. Well now we're going to get new uniforms now. My guess is for those who aren't me. If you love the bengals to the degree that you think they can do no wrong. You will love the uniforms. And if that's you fantastic and my guess is if you're among those who hates the bengals and can't stand anything about them. Then you will dislike the uniforms. I am a lifelong bengals fan. But i keep deferring to this position. It's been a long time since the unveiling of a new football uniform has wowed me the chargers the powder blue other than that. I literally this morning was trying to think of the last time that a new uniform was unveiled where i was like two. Who'd now i'm not talking about. Like somebody's done a throwback the dolphins occasionally where their throwbacks just or the buccaneers when they've done their throwbacks that look like cream cycles. I think aesthetically. They're okay but they do take me take me back to a place in my youth other than that though you know most your best uniforms and football have gone relatively unchanged through the years like the colts have nice uniforms. As far as i'm concerned i would say maybe. The seattle seahawks current duds which they've had for a while. I like seattle's uniforms but their uniforms prior were very very bland. The ones they have now are awesome. The ones they had when i was a kid. Sorry i use the word bland. Which is my producers last name. Sorry taryn they were boring. Steve large dave craig. Cortez kennedy era on the bengals beat the seahawks players were faking injuries in the afc. Divisional playoff game bland. Now they're awesome. That's probably the last time. How many how many years have the seahawks warn their current version talking about like the necessarily the neon green ones that they were occasionally though i do really like this probably just seattle. Most uniform reveals are either bad or rather cool and that's probably were going to be with the and by the way that's okay frankly. My opinion of the bengals uniforms was so low that i don't think they can get any worse. My guess is i'm gonna walk away from it going. I don't hate them and love them. And that's going to be okay. I want to be wrong. Like legitimately as as much as you're in the audience monday. You're not gonna wanna hear this. I want to spend monday afternoon. Slobbering over how much i like the uniforms. I actually wanna feel compelled to go by jersey of an active player instead of guy from the past. That's how much i want to like. These uniforms i guess is. I'm not going to get there. That's not a criticism. I'm probably gonna like them. Probably not going to be among those doing cartwheels and running to the pro shop and that's all right. I just want him to be better than the ones they had. But it is very very frankly. It's infrequent all throughout sports. Were a new uniform. Unveiling just just makes our steadily. Those are cool. But i am excited for it. It is going to be interesting. It's gonna be fun again. Monday is going to be fun. And that's what this off season has largely been about if you're bengals fan so more on that in just a bit more pertinent on the field manners. Who are they gonna draft. Why should they draft him. What's next for giovanni bernard What's it like being in the war. Room cow caskey has opinions on all those things longtime bengals assistance. The last couple of years with the lions he will join us next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station. Espn cincinnati bengals. Play here that's right in the nfl days away good afternoon this is espn fifteen thirty We'll get the latest on the uc coaching search. Here in about thirty minutes. Plus brennaman and johnson baseball wanted to do this for a couple of weeks. Kyle caskey free. Years was on the bengals coaching staff. Most recently as the team's running backs coach laughed after the two thousand eighteen season has spent the last couple of years with the detroit lions and while he was here we had him on the show. He's a friend of the show he talked about the draft talked about the running back room talked about the offseason and obviously somebody who has a very unique perspective. He's been a part of the draft process. He's been in the draft room. He's helped make decisions on players. The teams should and shouldn't draft. He's worked players out at the combine and he's with us now. How's it going. Hey what's up man. It's good to see that you got some cups in your studio now. We did get some cops that has been a big development here behind the scenes. We were without styrofoam cups and now we have styrofoam cups. And so i can drink water and other things while i'm on the ear man. It really is what. What are you up to your your coaching hiatus. You want to get back in what's going on. Tell me about you i yeah. I'm always looking to get back in just had a a rough go of it with this round and It happens and there's a there's other coaches going through it as well. I'm good thing about it. Is i got some time now to spend with my kids and my wife and we're actually moving back to cincy so we're in the process of that. I just put my basement couch into storage. So i had to move my outdoor Little swing into the basement. So i can have something to sit on an interesting set up going on right now. Well excited that you'll be back in town at least for a while and maybe we can have you here in studio. This is the typically for you. You know april really busy time of year. You're getting ready for the draft and obviously for for staffs and you go back to the experience last year in the covid era. A little bit different. But what is the the biggest part of the pre draft process from coach's perspective that it feels like fans and media seems to understand the least it really is the fact that there's so many scenarios that are put forward within the whole group. It's not just saying we we're gonna take this guy we're gonna take one of these two or three guys. They're scenarios put forward For everything how how. How do how do these guys spit. What's the best thing for the team. Should we trade all these. Different scenarios are out there. It's not just something that's all set in stone early and and it changes almost all the way up until draft day so things could be changing all the way through the night of the thursday night when the first is taken so It doesn't just stop at some point where they say. This is the guy we want. You are part of the draft process last year in detroit which was midway through. Covert happens the whole thing gets put on hold. You don't get to bring guys to the facility. You don't get a chance to go see guys. You at least had a combine miss year. It's been maybe not the same as last year but different no combine. Your access to players is a lot different. Walk me through what. The difficulties were a year ago in getting ready for a draft during pandemic. Well when everything shut down i was actually at the wisconsin pro day workout jonathan taylor and then we got back at basically we were told to go home and they'll tell us at some point when we we're gonna come back which at first it said like a two week paws and we'd be back that turned into you know how long it wasn't till training camp came along so we brought home our our equipment our laptops right and We dealt with what we had and Then when it came to talking to the players we started out facetime and then we moved into the world and Everybody kind of had to get you know. Houston the new norm. That was going on and Being able to get to know players without seeing them face to face and standing in front of them the good thing is we did have the combine last year so a lot of those players that i was zooming with and face timing with i had met at the combine or at the senior bowl. 'cause our staff along with the bengals staff last year. It goes to the senior bowl so we both had a A little bit of a head start because of that but it was tough. Because you just don't know guys as well obviously when you're facetime and then not being able to get in. Get them in front of you or get them in your building and see how they react around everybody else. You talk about face timing talk about talking with the players and we fall in love with his fans. Measurable pro days combine. Forty times stuff that we can wrap our brains around and all that could be digested when you sit across from a prospect when you sit across from a player whether it's virtually in person and you get to know them. What are you trying to find out about them number one. Do they love football. Because it's a long season and you know. Being a football player takes a lot of commitment. Because it's not only the season but there's an off season and a lot of times. You've gotta be self-motivated do they have that Is the love for the game. They're that they're gonna take care of themselves in the long term health smarter they. What do they understand about football what they've been taught. What do they lack in that area. That we're just gonna have to catch them up on Find out about what. They're what drives them. What are their passions. It's it's more of a getting to know what you're bringing into the room because when you watch the film you'll see what they're bringing physically but you wanna know what they're bringing to the room as a person because that's the chemistry within a running back room or within an offense and just you know a team in general it's all important and you can't just say anybody fits they really don't but if they're talented enough you'll find a way to make it work but you would like for them to fit in with what you got your position coach yourself. Obviously focusing on the running back position the process begins. It could change. I guess every single season based on what your team needs or where you're likely to take somebody but like for instance running back for the bengals without giovanni bernard i wanna ask you about. It feels like running. Back is in plates. Something they're going to do on thursday. It's guess likely not something they're gonna do on friday but if you're in that position hey we're taking a running back somewhere from the beginning of this process. All the way until the three days of the draft walked me through the process of watching the is looking at their tape talking to people identifying the guys you would be interested. Just walk me through that process because it feels elaborate time consuming but for me as a fan interesting and really it starts you find out. Who's in the draft. I know that's sounds simple but find out who's in find out who. Who are the top rated guys and that could be based upon your scouts. Honestly it could be based upon going onto the internet and look what all these draft who say and then then you start forming your own opinion. You start watching these guys you you delve into their film. What kinda run are they How much pass protection that they done. How how much they were. They used in the passing game receiver. You start breaking down all these different areas ball security and then you say okay. Does this guy have a skill. set that We don't have on the team as right now so when we were watching a guy like joe mixing you wasn't joe and he's big. He's fast and he was also. He had ability to make people miss in space. And you know you're looking at a guy that size able to sidestep people in space. He was doing. You know that skill set. We could really use because he had this. You know the skills that gio had but he also had the size. Maybe geo didn't have Jeremy at the time had germany didn't necessarily have that type of make you miss you look for those skill sets and how they fit and then you just go through every player find a way to rank them in your head write it down. Turn it over to the team and You know you get in front of the get in front of the The brass at some point. And you tell them exactly how you feel about these guys and how and where ranked and ice dam fitting and you kind of go from there and then let let the people who need to make decisions. Make the decision. So what is it like draft night draft nights. I guess what. What is it like in that war room. What is it like when you're on the clock. Everybody's sharing their opinions. Everybody has the players that they you know a player to the day. One what what is what does that scene like. Well number one. The all the the major confrontational type of conversations. They've already happened so at this point on draft night. You know it's come down to a certain number of players. Now if you're if you're drafting number five the bengals are you have the luxury i mean. It's you don't necessarily want the luxury craft five. But you always have the ability now to say. Okay we're gonna whittle down a little bit smaller number of people but if you've got a little later there's a lot of conversations once these players start coming off the board. Then you start saying okay. Well you know what all the corners are gone. All the receivers gone. All the tackles are going that we want and where we going. Now you know. Who's the best player available and it does it like with the bengals. All of us were in the draft room. I it was pretty cool to listen to everybody's opinions at that point. You know the ownership giving their opinion. When i was there marvin duke and all those guys start talking about those different guys and then in detroit is a little different because we weren't we assistance. Were not in the draft room. That was just for the head coach general manager and some of the higher ups scouts and we were given art. We gave our opinion early on and then if they needed to talk to us they came and found us and brought us down there before. Pick but the excitement level i. It's different because then when that gets put in and everybody starts going. Oh man we got the talent at one. We gotta go here at to be room. Kyle caskey former bengals assistant coach running backs and spent the last two years coaching backs in detroit. Imagine the bengals have in the fifth. Pick the debate that we've boiled down to here is jim are chased wide receiver peninsule tackle and kyle pits is involved in the conversation as well. Those are offensive players. You coach a position on the offensive side of the ball. It's about taking a running back. If you're if you're a part of that process do you get. Do you get a chance. Look if they draft so that's going to impact your team's running game. If they take tomorrow chase it could impact how they deploy a guy like joe mixing in the passing game. Same for a guy like kyle pits. Do you is your input sought. Do you offer it if you're looking at this situation with cincinnati in particular. What are you saying about the direction they could go in on the offensive side of the ball that might not necessarily involve the position that you specialize in if they asked of course and one of the things we do especially in cincinnati is we were in every meeting so we knew exactly what these other guys were and what the value that the offense attacker would bring versus the receiver or the tight end off into staff. We would always end up looking at those guys and understanding where those guys fit in the guys that we were looking at her. I was looking at as a running back coach. So i would have an idea. You know what if if we're gonna take a offensive tackle. Yes i like the nasal or whatever the case may be if we're gonna you know. And then they would ask us at some point during the draft process. Hey you know. Kyle d do you agree with this. Yes or no. And if he said yes binds he said no why not and They moved on but use. It wasn't as as much as the physician coach with that group. But it you're everybody's information is very important to the team and the detroit to. Let's talk about joe mixon specifically because he's he's coming off year. It's it's interesting as as much as we've talked about. Joe burrow's gotta get healthy. What can he do your to last year for joe was kind of a loss season. I know you're close to him to this day. It has felt at times like his role has been somewhat uncertain in this offense. Give me an idea of what you could expect what we should expect from a guy like joe who you think so highly of two thousand and twenty one. I think you should expect a lot from him. And the reason. I'm saying that is unbelievable. Relationship him and joe burrow is is very important. And i know that. Joe burrow's gonna wanna running game two to complement what he can do because he. I mean just be honest with joe burrow is special and he needs everything to happen for him in the way that helped maximize his value so a running game for one maximizes his value. So he's going to push to make sure joe's involved and i can tell you that there's nobody in that building That wants to win. More than joe mixing and he's doing everything he can to get himself back to where he needs to be. And every time. I've i've text with him or talked with him over over since i've left cincinnati he. He's all in what the bengals so it's fun to listen to him because he really does love the team and i think he's gonna come back with a vengeance this year and i said it out there. I put a tweet out. That's still take him over. All those guys. I mean i believe we. We had him so high up there. In the rankings or i did at least and obviously to the second round for obvious reasons. But he's he's a top first round talent. You know in that draft and i still take more. We took him. He is excited. He's been exceeds expressed excitement publicly about new offensive line coach. Frank pollack and your last year here. Frank was the offensive line coach. Why are people so high on him. Well frankly a really good developer of talent. He's not just a guy who tells you who to block the guy that tells you how to block and teaches you how to block them and it's not about just trying to say we're gonna. We're gonna get really good at this one scheme. He teaches guys the game of football as an offensive lineman and he played line at a high level coast to the high level and the guy's really respond to him and he's a no nonsense kind of guy so it was very transparent. And and if you're doing something good he's still gonna tell you doing something good but you're doing something bad he doesn't. He doesn't belittle you about it. He tries to make you better. And that's what teacher does. And i saw first hand you know twenty eighteen. We took a you know a line that i would say is arguably not as good as the line. That's about to come come up next year and lead the afc and in rushing with joe mixon. You're yeah you're being generous. Look you coach. Geo here and mixed feelings about seeing him go because he's obviously a player that's still has value. I can understand the finances of it. What they prioritize. Maybe they didn't want that much money tied into running back but he goes to tampa which is just. It's the perfect landing spot for him and he is the perfect player for them talked about about coaching geo. And what what folks tampa should expect as they try to run it back with the same group of guys but get a guy who's a great catcher passes out of the backfield. I think everything that you guys have seen from him just over the years. There's nothing fake about any of that. He's he's been one of the greatest human beings. I've been around when it comes to coaching a guy and not just the stuff he does on the field or the stuff. He does off the field stuff. He did with the school in haiti where his family is from. But just this just being in a room with that guy he brings. He brings the best out of everybody else in the room. And he's always they're trying to make people better and he's genuine about it. That's the biggest thing is a lotta guys. We kinda fake it till they make it when it comes to. You know. I'm a team guy team guy. He's a legit teen guy and for a team that just won the super bowl with with the ultimate team guy and tom brady You know he's gonna fit in really well. I'm happy for him because he gets to go back to his home. State down there in florida. Play close to where dad can come to the games for pretty much every game and I think that's kind of cool for him because he's he's a guy that deserves. He deserves to. You're not in it now. But i mean do you. Do you follow the draft from your typical purge. You look it guys. Do you study film. And so your bengals are going to take a running back. We think at some point. Is there a guy that i should pay attention to early on. There's there's a good group of guys early on. I think everybody knows the group of names. Najji hair strands. At n there's a kid devante williams of north carolina. That's really moved up the boards. Recently i really liked the guy actually compare him a little bit to joe mixon I think by the time that the bengals are picking a running back. One of the guys i think might drop and i'd say drop it would be available one about the time. There's a couple of guys would be traced sermon. I think everybody and cincinnati is pretty much familiar with him from ohio state. He was oklahoma transfer You know i. I i like this guy. Powerful not easy to bring down he. He has the same kind of make you miss ability. He's not a not a huge guy but he's had a lot of success over his years and I probably compare him to a todd. Gurley type of player not as big as talked early And then there's another kid out of mississippi state skyline hill. That he's a he's. I mean he's a pretty well put together guy. He's he's a five eleven to fifteen he's fast and elusive and good thing about this guy. He was used everywhere over the field. And you know when he lined up at receiver and he did receive a route to really looked like a receiver. And i've said it before and i'll say it again running back do not run good routes and any running back that that does that does a guy you gotta jump on because he those those are few and between you know and like alvin kamara receiver but you know a lot of times running backs running backs for a reason. They're not receiver so Guys who can do that. Put him in that. He's an antonio gibson type of player for washington. Football team had a chance to work a little bit with him at the senior bowl. He was actually on the bengals team. There last year but we chance to work with him and got to know him a little bit. And i put him in that in that range. Those are the kind of gives available down down the road that might ball to them. Or even a tube hubbard oklahoma state. One more you've been awesome as always urine detroit last year right. Before the season starts they signed. Adrian peterson and suddenly you are coaching a guy. Who's in the top five all time in. Nfl history in rushing yardage toward the tail end of his career. But still it's adrian peterson. What is coaching a guy like that. Like when number one. I think i'm going to be the first person he thinks in his hall of fame speech which i think is kind of cool. So i'm i'm sarcastic. Might be second. Then we we it was. It was a really interesting. Because i didn't even know we were doing. We were even trying to sign him. And i got actually got a text from a high school friend of mine down in texas and man. You're you're getting the coach. adrian. Peterson like oh now. I've got no looked at my my phone. I just got an attack saying we'd signed him and he brought a lot to the room. I mean when this guy walked in the room the whole attitude of the room change because you got a lot of young guys and they were looking at him like oh my goodness this guy. I've been watching you know has been growing up. This guy been trying to be here. He is sitting in the room. he brought it. He was teaching those guys how to how to be a professional. He's thirty five years old and he's still playing and he's not necessarily the twenty twelve adrian peterson of the mvp ear. But you know he's still got a little bit them and it it. There's a or about him when he walked in the room. And and that's what i took from that. He really taught me how to how to coach a veteran. Who's of that level. And i think that experience going forward When you're in cincinnati come by and see us and then we'll do some more of this and then we'll go do something social. Oh no just let me know. Good luck with the move. Thanks ma'am thank you kyle. Caskey longtime nfl assistant coach. Many many years with the bengals microphone on time. It's twenty nine and four. We're amazingly laid. We went along with kyle. It was worth it. Brennaman and jones on baseball twenty five minutes and We'll get you what's happening. Twenty a uc coaching search in just a few quickly though melvyn in spring borough. You're on espn fifteen thirty hour. You yes you do a great job you really to know. Maybe its way i. I'm not trying to be able to the new reds announcer television. i mean broadcast. They put on. Your is running parking me. She i mean the guy he makes statements and then that's visiting make something else. i mean. it's like a happy. He's like a lot. I happy homemaker gossip as seriously. I mean launching them. Nothing against the got made. He's probably a very nice person professional. Mouser i mean. What is your specific issue with with. John seda i could a fine job. He shooter lever. He wants the redstone win. I mean there's no there's no everybody wants to win the win. But i mean i don't. I don't know that that has gotten in the way of describing the action on the field. He doesn't describe the actually malicious about everything else but the game. They don't talk about the game not everything else. Other guys exercise your spouse by About prado and his his hip and play still talk. The game. what they're talking about you're talking about. I don't know what they talking. Last night i was. I was watching last night's game and he and jeff brantley got into a discussion about chicken wings. I would imagine you didn't like that well. I'm not alabama chicken away. I really don't chicken wage. Okay i think. I think there's two things here now i'm gonna i'm gonna cut john break we've had on the show. Seems like a good guy and look. I've i've watched. I've watched and heard his work before he came to cincinnati. So a couple of things here. Okay i'll bear with me number one. This is today is their twelve game. So he's done twelve broadcasts plus a couple in spring training he's had three different analysts with him so it is kind of a rhythm sport. The chemistry is still a work in progress. Especially when you're being asked to do some with barry larkin and some with chris welch jeff brantley so there is that i think you also have to take into consideration when the reds are on the road. They're not they're they're calling the game from cincinnati still because and and look. He's i think he's still trying to find. He's still trying to find his voice and so i think he's twelve games as a regular everyday announcer getting used to the team. He's getting used to the city. The city is getting used to him. I think he's still perfecting his style and that doesn't happen overnight. So let's let's give. Let's give him a year. Why didn't they give the job today. Why did he get it. I don't know my guess is going to be that. They like jim more in the role or jim day more in the role that he has been which is sort of the extra guy the sideline guy the dugout guy the guy to do player interviews and he's really good at that. I think they wanted somebody to do. Play by play who's a little bit more seasoned play by play announcer. I did thing is a tremendous job. Thank you but why don't they if if the bearcats basketball. Because there's only one guy did if you wanna win and build a mass. Just one guy he's the best shooter out there and that shawn miller i mean they all she every team cheats. So you might you might as well do it right. And and it's on miller and he'll build a program but the thing is if shawn miller cheated right his teams would have been better the last couple of years and be he would still have a job and he wouldn't be invested. If you're gonna cheat right you can't get caught. And sean seems like he got caught and he taught that. I i mean he he could probably he's i think the last couple of years when he got caught i think the players were were afraid to go there and i and i seriously every team teach. There's no honesty the deal. And the and and i'll tell you you really does the basketball coach the giants. If you know this travis guy no his thought he thought he'd make everything we probably get better and it don't get better. Now there's some validity to that melvin. I think this is a big fourth season coming up for trail. All right. melvin. Will you call again letting i would love to hear from you on a regular basis. I can i just want. I want to understand what has happened here. That guy k. He seems to not be all in on john. Sadek who is a professional articulate smart smooth broadcasting professional who has called nfl games nba games. College basketball games major league baseball games is maybe not at the height of his profession. But pretty damn close. He is a regular major league baseball announcer for a team. That has rich deep broadcasting heritage. He doesn't like john sadek but he likes this. Show do what you please with that information. Brennan jones on baseball in fifteen minutes. The ucla basketball coaching search is ongoing. Where everything seems to stand right now buddy of mine just sent me a text. Melvin as the best call. You've gotten in months. We're smelling been all my life. I've been doing this show for a long time tear. Where's melvin been this entire time spring. We yes we've developed a nice little core regulars. What do we have to do to add. Melvin to that list all this time. Melvin has been listening just now chimed in any more. Melvin twenty honest to god. If melvin call right back i'd put them right back on the air all right Ucla basketball coaching search is never going to end. Well elaborate on that next on. Espn fifteen thirty ports. Updates service of kelsey chevrolet home of lifetime powertrain protection and guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for life. Kelsey shove dot com reds and giants. They're playing quick bottom of the fourth inning. Cueto and molly in a good old good one. That can we say that. Now that applies to a scoreless game in the middle innings right pitchers duel seems sort of lazy. Right it's a pitcher's door. The giants don't have ahead. I'm probably going to get mad at me. If they get hits. Edging smelly reds have three but the bottom line is neither team has scored. The reds are wearing their softball uniforms today. By the way as soon as the bengals get new uniforms. Can we get new reds uniforms. Thank you. also here's the latest on the uc coaching search. We're on the day. Is this today day five. I i'm i'm i'm losing. I'm losing count. I don't want to say that. I'm losing interest. Because i'm a bear cat fan and i have a vested interest in who the next head coaches but the constant twitter refreshing and just rumor chasing down the amount of times somebody calls texts me. Here's what's happening. I heard from a source okay. Well here's the latest. Okay here's what's being reported on right. Now jeremy row fox nineteen is hearing that west miller. Who is the unc. Greensboro coach interviewed on tuesday. Now here's what the internet is telling me about west. That hiring him when either be awesome or awful. Ohio state assistant ryan peden interview today. According to a source this jeremy. Here's what the internet is telling me about ryan peden that he would be an unbelievably awesome higher. Or the worst. One ever eric martin which has been reported a couple of different times interviewed for a second time on monday. So there you go. Ronald norris name was really hot yesterday. I don't know if that's still a thing. I it's interesting. I talked to a couple of different people today. Who i think really locked into this stuff really close really juiston and they in moments of honesty will say look honestly. I don't know. I think to a degree. You got to admire. What they've done. They've been very close to the vest about this. What i do wonder though is the eric martin thing if it ends up. Not being him. I think athletic directors are typically pretty good at not leaking stuff but extinguishing stuff that they know is not true that is not going to happen in an effort for people to not focus on things that are unrealistic if that makes sense i wonder if the eric martin thing took off over the weekend. And i'm a big big. Big proponent of eric. Martin i'm a proponent of uc hiring the best coast coach possible. And i'm going to be open minded about it like eric eric. Martin represents the best of the old way if you wanna put it that way. The old regime and i think he's putting his time. I think he can coach. I think there's a lot of reasons to bring him in financially but find. There's a lot of other candidates out there. They're casting a wide net. You have to admit. They're looking at a lot of different types of coaching candidates. Which is a really really really really good thing. That's a really good thing But i wonder if when the eric martin thing kind of started to steamroll. Publicly if the people at uc view that as bit of smokescreen. Hey everybody's gonna focus on eric martin. While we go about the business of talking to these candidates. I don't know that for a fact. I don't know that that's going to end up. Not being the case again. I've talked to three different people today. Who i think are like locked in what's happening with see. Uc basketball two of them have said to me. I'm hearing everything. I'm hearing every conceivable candidate. I don't know and one has told me. Three coaching candidates over the last four days as being the front runner illustrating that they don't know and it's okay to say you know it's okay so so okay. If you think you know you end up being wrong a lot of different manipulation kind of dragging on here but anyway that's where things are right now. I will admit to you being a little surprised to a degree that this has lasted five days and there could be a lot of different dynamics. Here perhaps somebody. The school was interested in sent word that they weren't interested early in this process. Or perhaps somebody wants to avoid the illusion of this being decided before john brennan was actually let go or perhaps with a certain candidate contract. Negotiations have broken down or perhaps there is a level of indecisiveness. That might not necessarily be a bad thing. Look this is an enormous higher for john cunningham. An enormous higher for john cunningham. Because in the absence of luke fickle leaving while john cunningham is the this stands to be the defining higher of his tenure. Here and chances are will have a lot to do with how long tenure here is because he and the university have been subject to a lot of criticism. Whether that's fair or not. I will reserve judgment. I don't like the way john brennan's professional reputation has been sullied at the same time i want to know more about. Uc's point of view. I've read. John brandon's attorney. I've seen john brennan's statement certainly like a lot of us. Were all expecting to a degree the possibility at least of litigation but to whatever degree this has been messy on the school's behalf. I think a lot if it's cleaned up. If they hire the right guy and within a pretty short amount of time you see basketball gets rebuilt but if it turns out that the guy that john brandon hires is not the right guy and what has been a messy last couple of weeks snowballs into a messy. Next couple of years it's going to reflect poorly on the athletic so nobody really knows. What's i mean. I can't say how many conversations i've had over the last couple of days or somebody's swears to me that soon. So-and-so coach is a done deal or so and so coaches a front runner or so and so coach is going to be he could be. It could be named today. I mean eventually you keep saying that so and so's a done deal. I guess you're going to be right. But it's dragged to a fifth day which by the way. John brennan was hired two years ago today after a five day period between mic and john now obviously circumstances drastically different. Athletic director drastically different. The job itself. You might argue to a degree is at least in the short term drastically different. But that's where things stand by the way. Melvin our last caller getting rave reviews on social media rave reviews on social media. Look do me a favor with john. Say that they're calling game right now so his job is not an easy one and it's not one that he's had before but he's earned the right to have this job. He's still feeling his way through the gig. He's developing chemistry with three different announcers on the fly you know. They only did a handful of spring. Training games larkham was in the booth. And then welch was in the booth and now bradley's that's tough to do and frankly that rotations kind of unfair to john to a degree. I think he's trying to find his voice You know. I think by and large. He's done a pretty good job. He brings an element of funded the broadcast which is nice. As you've been perfect. No some of his jokes references a fallen flat. We were joking yesterday about the saved by the bell reference. He made on monday night. The jeff brantley clearly had no idea like just give them some time. Let them let them feel his. What i just. I've i've never been a play by play guy and god knows i couldn't do a john say that does but i can tell you doing this like you judge somebody. It's easy to come in and do a show for three hours one day coming into it day after day after day after day after day it takes a very long time before you're comfortable before you have your voice before you're the audience is comfortable with you before you just get it right and the same is true for john sadek so i said the same thing about tommy throw cut him some slack and based on what i've watched so far and what i've come to know about him watching his track record calling games for cbs sports. He's gonna end up enjoying a very long run in the reds tv booth Bryan hamilton compiled helped compile one of the first list of uc coaching candidates. When the job opening i came up he writes for the athletic. He will join us after brennaman and jones on baseball pink was the name of that. Beat jerky companies sponsoring the girls sweet. Sixteen now we now have an answer cam. Rogers reds one. That a eleven for. We'll jump back to them coming up in twenty minutes brennaman and jones on baseball and just a few minutes and in about an hour guy. Dan bruce taylor who has a voluminous extensive comprehensive draft guide. We're gonna talk all things draft. We're gonna make him make a pick is it is it. Chase is it pits. What are the bengals. Do later in the draft. And i'm going to ask somebody player. Who's not going to be drafted this year. How about that. So that's coming up in one hour cam. Rogers is become our go to guy when it comes to golf. The masters starts tomorrow. And you know if you're a golfer you care about what happens at augusta second masters in five months. I've i've come to really enjoy betting on golf. And so i wanna have cam on. He has the believe in tiger woods. Podcast on the believe podcast network and he's obviously covered tiger woods injuries resulting from his car accident pretty extensively and talked a lot about what is future may hold but also he's done a full master's preview. It's available as we say where you get your podcast cameras with us this afternoon. Happy masters weekend. What's going on with you sir. I feel like we just did this. Await we kinda back in november. Exactly exactly it's weird. But i but i like it and it feels like like this is normal. It was cool that they got the tournament and it happened in in november. It was great. It was opposite the nfl but this is when it should be what what kind of course conditions. What kind of weather are we expecting augusta this weekend. Yeah so everything you saw. In november polo one eighty on that because augusta back then was wet and damp at receptive and dustin. Johnson lasts his way through twenty under par. You're not gonna have that this week. I'm expecting firm fast. Crusty conditions here at augusta national. This week maybe a little bit of rain on friday we will watch that but for the most part it's going to be a classic setup not going to be a twenty under par sort of situation. I'm more of the average like twelve hundred or thirteen under so roll off the tee going to be harder to hippies. Greens you better bring your wedge game because not everybody's gonna hit every single green here so it should be really fun leaderboard conditions favor this weekend. Well i'm looking at the peter. Green guys the ball striking is one of the stickiest parts of your golf game. You're around the green game. Potter can be more volatite. So i'm really looking at the guys who were absolutely striping and one big trend going into the masters is who are the top t. Degreen players within the last ninety days. Those guys typically play. Well give you a couple of number. Cj was number one back in november within the last ninety days tiger was ten back in twenty nine nineteen outlier. Was patrick reed. He was only eighteen. But that's still pretty good. So who are the top guys in that category. Patrick can't lay number one. Collin morikawa number. Two paul casey number three couple of dark horses. They're in canley. and katie. all right. Let me run a couple of pasture. Okay i have some. I have a danny willett vibe. Going on here with jon. Rahm danny had a kid. Two thousand sixteen wasn't gonna play. His wife gives birth. He plays he wins. Roms been playing great. He's got finishes in the top ten last three years at augusta. I'm at plus twelve hundred. I liked the way hits. It talked me out of jon rahm. I can't because i'm taking him to win. How about that. Wow wow yes yes. I'll run down the reasoning and a lot of what you just said. T. seven at the recent master's feeling the baby vibes. Moe the only thing is you gotta wonder if he's checking his phone too much now have to be in contact with the wife. I wonder if that's a distraction. I don't know just keep it in mind. You would think maybe at the motivation for him to play well so it could go in your direction here. But here's the deal. He's spit in strokes. Gained total at augusta within the last twenty four rounds even elite t green guy. Driving distance is there. He's gonna win his first major. It might as well be sunday. The only thing is the baby situation. We'll see what happens. If fatigue is a factor here so jordan. Spieth wins this past weekend so everybody remembers that. He's good at this event especially after round one. I've got the plus eighteen hundred the lead tomorrow night absolutely i think he's got the combination of elite corps. Fishery right now and you'll leak recent form winning valero texas open and of course he's posted six top fifteen finishes in his past. Seven starts his two point. Nine career strokes gain two per round at augusta. National are the most of anyone with a minimum of five rounds played so the courses is three sticks with this guy. I like it as a first round. Sorta be here. Typically those best ball. It's kinda throwing a dart but at a gusty national you can kind of ride that core history because it is the stickiest on the pga core value. If i'm looking at longshots if i'm if i'm looking at names that are sort of off the grid give me one or two pay attention to yes. So let's talk about sergio garcia. Shall we thousand seventeen champion. He's got that vintage elite iron game right now. It's the potter. That can be an issue but he has danced rope from green and sixteen of his past eighteen tournaments. He crushes which is what you need. I've got him for top twenty this week which is money in the bank. Plus one seventy five. It gets bad done. Stir why not but hey this is a guy who has win two. He's already done it. So i like thirty deal and i'll give you the englishman matt fitzpatrick. He's not flashy guy with the driver or the irons in particular. But he's a grinder scores. He hangs around t nine at the players. T ten at bay hill. He could be lights out with the potter flat on a top twenty. Finish maybe even a top ten for mr patrick. Maybe even topping. Who's been for a prop. I liked that a lot. Yeah i like him. A plus five thousand top eleven in every play event. He's played this year. I'm also looking at the huge number for bubba watson who's one this twice his two thousand and twenty one has been awful but there's cores familiarity and it's plus nine thousand cam. You can't steer me away from that. You know it's interesting. You take a look at the winters since two thousand sixteen. He eight to one tiger fall to one but read forty. Sergio thirty willett fifty. The average of the past ten winners is thirty. Three to one and within the last ten years the pre-tournament favourite has not one of after. So i'm not saying you get you with the Inflated numbers down toward the bottom of the board but somebody likes baba is worth sprinkle. because a he's done it twice and he's that classic. Oh i'll play well here and then the next week. I don't like this course. And i'm just kinda have to write myself off your. He knows he can play well here and so he has the right mindset. This week i think. And it's worth a shot. Kim rogers by the way on twitter at mr rogers ninety nine. He is host of the tiger woods. Podcasts and the belief podcast network. It's going to be weird more than than anything that's been played so far. It's going to be weird without tiger this week. He's not far from anybody's thoughts. I'm not gonna ask you to be a doctor. I'm not going to ask you to speculate unfairly. Just give us a sense from somebody who talks about tiger for a living where things are with him. And i'm sure you're asked all the time he ever gonna play again when when people ask you what do you say why said it. No because i give it to. I just want him to do the mundane things again. I want him to be able to play with his kids. I want him to be able to bend over and pick something up if he drop something. You know literally the simple things that we don't think about. I want him to focus on now. And then we can kind of table with golf game for later. Start with the wedges. Start with the potter's and then work your way up so it's going to take some time. Somebody asked me earlier today. You think about twenty twenty two masters and i really think that's not late enough in terms of a timetable. But i will say he's in great spirits justin thomas. That's been going over to his place watching march madness in sports. And what have you so good to hear. You're getting those reports from the players. Who are seeing tiger woods. But it's going to be an uphill climb. There's no doubt about it but this guy has gone through adversity before back surgeries the you is and a big time scandal. And you know he's come out of it and then a better man from it and hopefully you can come back from the tiger woods with cam. Rodgers their masters full preview is available. Get it as we where you get your podcast. We'll do it again soon. Man thanks so much they appreciate. You take care. You gotta ken rogers. That's our guy. Well i'm dealing with much much much. How are we on the clock. How are we on time two minutes. I'm getting conflicting tax on how you pronounce the name of this beef jerky company that sponsors. The kentucky girls sweet sixteen tournament in which bishop bras bit. Bishop brossard is so. I put the thing up for me This has become a bone of contention among people on twitter that we don't know how to say the name of the beef. 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We needed fine so now at five thirty when i have to read the stupid sports updated. Its ming-je right. Men getting minke from that. Why can't slim jim sponsor anyway. Knowing now we can proceed with. The show was leading something like this. Get in the way of what we were doing. Brennan john baseball's next no one covers the bengals. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station six after five. Espn fifteen thirty names mo egger. Thanks so much for listening day five. Uc basketball coaching search Things started to unfold friday while we were on the air. I would have lost money wagering on whether or not this would be over by now. But nonetheless it drags on it continues. There's a thousand different candidates that have been talked about one of the. I think the very first thing that i read that outlined in detail Some of the possible candidates and some of the people who have turned out to be actual candidates was done in the athletic put together by justin williams who god knows we bother him enough but also bryan hamilton. Who's a senior college basketball writer for the athletic. He is on twitter at underscore. Brian underscore hamilton. They put together a list of coaching candidates and for a variety of reasons. We wanted to get brian on this week. But you know he has a life has kids. He's got stuff going on and so We were finally able to make it happen today. I think today's a good day to do this. Because we're all waiting for smoke to emerge from clifton and find out that john cunningham has hired his first major coach at the university of cincinnati. So i figured we'd bring brian on to talk about the situation. I appreciate the time this afternoon. Brian how are you great. How are you. I am i am. Well we'll talk about some of the candidates that you had on your list. Some of the candidates he had on your list who have emerged as candidates but from from where you sit covering the sport nationally. What do you make of what's happened at. Uc over the last three or four weeks. You know i think it's a inevitability is the word that comes to mind. I made you know what what sort of Lack of harmony there was put a kindly at the end of the john. Brennan era i mean the. The end was in sight. You can't have that stuff these days in college basketball linger around your program and and survive it most times So change was gonna to. It was pretty much just going to be how much it costs. Cincinnati to do that and when it happened Obviously that how much it costs is probably gonna be litigated here for a little while but Yeah it changed the when when when the culture is that broken Whoever's fault it is You know you're not going to survive that. 'cause coach is ultimately responsible for. And if he's back the person most responsible for it and every single way then you know. We'll i guess. We'll find that out in in the courts at this point with the help tom marrs in cincinnati attorneys but yeah it this this isn't inevitability that this was going to happen Wants justin great reporting kind of brought everything to lie. And the fact that it's kind of gone on now for a few days I'm not really totally surprised by that. I mean a five days a week that that that seems like a pretty reasonable time to sort of you know. Check out the landscape. Talk like you need to talk to. I think marquette took something like a week or a little bit more to come around and get shock a smart to replace tibo chaussee so the timing of it i. I don't think it's lengthy at any point. In time. I would actually based on whatever reporting and interviews happening. I would not be shocked wrapped up pretty quickly after this the job itself and you and just touch this on your piece that came out in the immediate aftermath of john. Brennan being let go you know. It's kind of a weird gig from this standpoint. It's basically had three guys over three decades. The majority of which bob huggins and mick cronin who each had a lot of success here i think to a degree for some that may have an. I'm a diehard bearcat fan. So i don't want this come off wrong but it may may come off. The job is actually better than it is at the same time. It's still one of the premier programs in the american athletic conference. A lot of people care about it they got a great facility at least a great game facility. There's a lot of history a lot of tradition. You can win here. I think you can win here and get noticed. Just assess the job of head. Basketball coach at the university of cincinnati is a quote unquote. Good job yeah. I think it's a very good job. I mean certainly in the league I think it's at any given year the best job Depending on what the circumstances art. It's certainly not much is certainly not going to be out of the top. Three and a given year with memphis in wichita state the those. It is a really really good job in that context in terms of a national context. I don't know that. Cincinnati is a destination job for everybody Maybe would have been about blogging and things and goes out maybe still be there but I i do think you can win. Ncaa tournament games there. I think you could make. Ncaa tournament runs. Are you going to be annually. A final four team at cincinnati. I think a lot would have to change in terms of resources and in terms of just momentum of winning Frankly i you know being in the afc. Is that going to be a strong enough league year after year to kind of get you to seed you need to be in the position to make a deep run in the nca tournament year after year after year I i don't know the answer. That question As it stands is a very good job because you you are gonna have passion. You are going to have resources. You're you're you're not going to be begging. I don't think for the stuff you need to win at a pretty consistent level Will you be able to make regular charges to like the final four to the elite eight. I don't know that as things stand but again. There's not a lot of programs to do that so sure if you can if you can if you can put up. Twenty twenty twenty wins year after year after year after year. You're making ncaa tournaments. I think we have to consider that a good job in that certainly possible and do it. Cincinnati i would certainly agree with that when when jobs like this i come open and i'm sure this happens all over the place who folks instantly looked towards people that you had on your original list right martin. Right former bearcat paid his dues. Longtime assistant the bob huggins era. There's ties there darren savino. It's felt like has been more. Of a periphery candidate than anything. That is kind of surprising to me. A lot of people all along have been looking at archie miller and obvious reasons. He had a job in a high profile and had a lot of success about an hour from here at dayton. Lesser known candidates like west miller. You had on your list. From cleveland state. Dennis gates who i think has an interesting profile. There's a handful of other. Coaching candidates that have have emerged ryan. Peens name has come up for for those. Maybe not as well versed on on those guys on those candidates. Give me give me the cliff notes version on of those guys. The people that you would think would make the most sense. Yeah i mean. If we're talking about west miller dennis gates ryan pete in you know kind of go in that order. West is basically built. Unc greensboro from the ground up. And he hasn't even turn forty years old yet He he's a guy who's definitely rising star was involved in the north carolina. Job searches the guy who went there. Obviously with the uber davis but see green. Wasn't really bad shape when he got there and now it's a consistent winner and it's making ncaa tournaments It's it's got really high quality players on there and he plays a pretty entertaining style of basketball in terms of plant. Full court pressure turning you over And really getting it athletes out and getting after you In game so he's a guy who is absolutely ready for frankly. I think power six job. I'm certainly major job without a doubt. Then it's gates and other young guy just community just finishes second season at cleveland state. But he spent a long time with your for leonard hamilton. I know people have interviewed him for jobs. This go around. Who are extremely impressed with him. And just see him. Out of the absolute shooting star. A guy who's gonna who's gonna knock it out of the park when he gets a chance at a bigger job again. Only two years of experience as a head coach might against him in some situations. Were you can't take that big of a roll of a dice kind of surprise. A couple of other programs haven't taken that role of the dice because they could afford two but He would he would definitely be a guy who would bring that sort of toughness backbone that you know. Florida state was known for same coming out for winter. School it's what you'd expect for him ryan pete in You know he's chris evans right hand man and i know crispy. He's been ready for head. Coach job forever And that would be a guy who's turned down other opportunities turned down offers. He's had in the past looking for the right place to land as opposed to just grabbing the first thing that comes along. He's been very selective along the way so a guy that has absolute head coach. Credibility at this point could be a head coach already if he wasn't being selective And obviously knows the landscape in ohio. So that that would it not necessarily expected to be here in the mix right at the end but it is a name. A lot of sense eric. Martin's name has been a big part of this conversation since the jump and for obvious reasons he played here. He's worked for bob huggins. Since bob took over and morgan town. He expressed a desire to be a head coach. And look bob huggins. He wrote this is working at man. I know he's talked to john cunningham. I know he's talked to donors. He's he's working on behalf of his guy. He would generate a lot of excitement for a lot of different reasons. I think he. I think he bring back a lot of money to the program as well but from a basketball standpoint eliminate all that the resume. I guess the question that i think a lot of people would have is eric's going to be fifty this year. He's been a coach for the better part of two decades and yet he has never really seriously at least to the best of our knowledge. Been a serious head coaching candidate. Why not. I don't think really a self promoter you know i i did. A you know a a an up and coming coaches list. A couple of years ago. And i put him on and this is long before cincinnati came up with john. Brennan here and talking to people around the country you know who who know who are around coaches a lot who balanced around these arenas and see a lot of practices. The one thing they said about martin is aged guy puts himself out there. He's not a guy who is always going to be burning up. The cell phones of media is that he's not going to be trying to like work angles and stuff like that to get his name in the mix. I think he's he's a guy who's known as a stir tutor who wants to just basically let the work speak for itself behind the scenes. I know how much you've valued by bob huggins. The worke does west virginia. It's a tough business. Sometimes i mean we all probably fall prey to it in the media. Were you know guys who are willing and talk and constantly in contact with you. Maybe those are the guys that you subconsciously. You're promote along the way our not that guy. From what i understand but i think the basketball acumen kind of goes without saying i think if you if you sat by bob huggins that long you learn by osmosis a whole lot. I think he's absolutely ready to be a head coach. And the reason why he hasn't maybe just because he hasn't been as aggressively marketing himself. And it's sad to say that that matters but it kinda k kinda matter in college basketball so The question the question why. It hasn't happened yet. I think is less about basketball stuff and more about like okay. Whose relationships have you worked over. The years I i frankly would respect. The guy said look. I'm gonna let my work stanford stanford south like what my track record. That's good for you great. It's not all right. I'll put you sit by. Bob huggins for fourteen years. You're gonna learn. Learn a lot of things. I feel like i feel like we could say the same things you just said about. Eric martin about darren savino. Yeah i it it's again. I sorta surprised that darren city you know hasn't been head coach at this point. I mean he's gosh and he's he's done just about everything you need to do to be a head coach at this point in the fact that you know. Ucla just made the run it. did you know. i don't think. I don't think you earn a job. Solely off of that like they had a pretty good team adjusted really well down the stretch. They should be really good again next year. It might actually behooves darren in some ways. I mean obviously if cincinnati comes calling and he really wants it great like you go take it but i mean. Ucla could be a top ten top five team next year. So it would be. It would be shocking to me darren. If that happened. Was that good next year. It'd be shocking errand. Savino wasn't getting that head coach job he will take as opposed to just. Maybe you know taking it. Just because he has to just just be a head coach. He'll he might have his choice of select jobs next year because everybody thinks they are the bryan hamilton senior college basketball writer for the atlantic which we tout all the time Put together the list with justin williams of cincinnati basketball coaching candidates. Brian is on twitter at underscore. Brian has been. I know you've been busy man. I'm glad we can make this work. Thanks so much. thank you bryan hamilton. With the athletic. It's twenty minutes after five o'clock reds by the way losing to zip to giants Johnny cueto johnny. Cueto is coming out of the game. Is that the trainer. Accompanying him off the mound. That is not something. I like to see. Quite oh and the reds are winning the game to nothing. I hate to say this i. I've seen johnny cueto. Come off the mountain san francisco before he just gave it looks. It just struck a guy just looks like he gave the cut it off at his throne. Sixty eight pitches and came off with. Gabe kaplan the manager and the trainer. Hopefully it's just. He's done for the days exhausted. He's high fiving teammates. So hopefully johnny is is okay something wrong with his hand. His right hip. He has struggled with that in recent years. So hopefully janis okay. Meanwhile reds are losing the game to nothing top of the sixth inning on getaway day in san francisco. It's twenty minutes. After five o'clock we got a guy who's gonna tell us why it says the bearcats aren't going to be a top twenty five team in fifteen minutes on. Espn fifteen thirty six after five. This is espn fifteen. Thirty names malaga. I'm on twitter. At fifty should follow me. And if you don't get paid by the twitter But it would be nice if he did you know man. I think anybody at this point who is telling you definitively that they know who. Uc's next basketball coach is going to be a really good chance. They don't and i'm sure some do. I am enjoying watching all this. Play out in watching people chase every rumor and you know i will. I will say this. I've i've been a proponent of this with the reds right and i don't think baseball managers are that important but when they when they hired. Brian price reds move on from dusty baker. And i remember being on the air. And it's like a higher paul o'neil. Why don't you hire buddy bell. Hey steve pete rose's eligible for it. What about barry larkin. And i'm like all right. Everybody but rose fine but how about we extend the search outside the to seventy five loop and turnover some stones and see if there's a diamond in the rough somewhere or talk to somebody from another organization the bengals. It was kind of the same thing. now juries. Obviously still out on zac taylor and it did feel like they were hiring a profile. More than a coach young offensive minded and sean mcvay were the felt like the criteria but i wanted a wide net higher higher from a different and diverse pool of candidates. Not going to lie to you and say that. I wasn't a fan of hiring john brennan because i was and i thoroughly and sincerely hope john brennan gets a chance to be a head coach one day. I think he's good. He's good coach. Good basketball coach didn't work out here for whatever reason but i have wondered before john brennan would have done the exact same thing he did. It end k. You at a place like southern illinois or toledo or cleveland state with john. Brennan been the higher at the university of cincinnati. It also feels like granted you see. Basketball has not had a lot of coaching changes. Basically three in thirty years. But there's sort of all right you get a guy who's up and coming head coach at a at a program. That's a level or two beneath. Cincinnati bob huggins from akron mma cronin from marie stain and john brennan from an k. You and by that formula works with at least two of those guys. And let's be honest. John brennan dunk from a win loss perspective but the game is changing a little bit here and this is an important higher. It feels like they're casting a wide net and you can sign me. The hell up for that. There is eric martin and eric. Martin's coaching resume deserves a look longtime assistant coach at a power five school. That's had success working for a guy who's going to be thinking the hall of fame. One day you see guy. Dude who knows the city familiarity with the program and donors. Yup that is a type of coaches much as it is a coaching candidate. There's ryan peden younger assistant from a program. it's been pretty successful in columbus. There's dennis gates head coach from a program that obviously in the horizon league. Cincinnati has gone that route before longtime assistant florida's team. There's west miller. The name. Ronald nora has been a head coach. The g. league is now with the charlotte hornets. There's black there's white there's younger. There's a little bit older. There's head coach and college. There's assistant coach at a bigger college program. There's a guy who's sort of outside the box working for an nba team right now. It's a lot of different types of candidates. That's not a bad thing at all man and look we fans and i do it and again i personally and because i like them and i think he deserves a shot one day to be a head coach. I'm rooting for erik. But this is to me chasing soul. I want the best guy. And i'm very open minded. Toronto i'm very open minded. People seem to love west miller. He's done a very good job at unc greensboro. But i do think there's value in you know. Hey look we're going to look beyond the to seventy five lupone. Look beyond the barricade family and look get it. There's an emphasis on how you need. Somebody who understands the ethos of this program. And yeah i think there's some validity to that and neither guy who can help bridge and keep a connection to the past and yes but i think those things can be done by an outsider and i think sometimes it feels like it's maybe more exclusive to the city than other places. We're so narrow minded in parochial and everything's going to be close to home and sometimes that can work in god knows with mick cronin. It did by the way xavier with chris. Mack it did a jury is still out to a degree with travis deal but it just. It doesn't feel like we're very big fans of casting a wide net and expanding the search to a diverse group of candidates. And i'm not just talking about skin color. I'm talking about types. I don't know how much archie miller has genuinely been part of the process but archie is retread who had some success elsewhere. Dennis gates a really good year. Cleveland state not a ton of coaching experience has leonard hamilton and his background. Eric martin never been a head. Coach longtime assistant for hugs. West miller has been a head coach ryan pete and hasn't been one but assistant added a successful program and working for a guy in chris. Oldman who is very highly regarded so a lot of different types. And i think that's a good thing man. That is something that i've wanted to do for. It's something that. I've wanted teams here organizations. It's something that. I've wanted other fans to embrace here for a long time. Let's look beyond the family. Let's look beyond hamilton county. Let's look beyond what's closest to home and may close to home apart of the process and if you settle on close to home after casting a wide net fantastic. But at least they're casting won the computers. Say you see. Football's not gonna be as good as you think. The guy who runs the computer tells us why in a few minutes on. Espn fifteen thirty couple of things really quickly. Before we chat with our football power index guy. and why the bearcats aren't ranked in their top twenty. Five bengals made it official today that they're they're new uniform unveiled that. We've been wondering about and speculating about four weeks. Now we know when it's gonna happen and this was the timeframe most anticipated monday morning nine. Am they will unveil the new uniforms. They're released a video today. Sort of documented. The uniforms history and was a was really good. Doesn't seven minutes long kind of archival stuff there so nine am on monday. We will find out what the uniforms look like. And maybe what the different combinations are one college basketball note. Xavier today announced that they have signed jackman jr. if you watched iowa this past season which was ranked as high as number three in the country jack. None jr is a six eleven power forward to time academic all big ten selection who averaged just over seven points and five and a half boards per game in twenty two games before suffering the injury and he missed their last seven games. he had eighteen points twice. Eighteen and six against ohio state. Eighteen and eleven against michigan state kid from newburgh. Indiana played all thirty three games as a freshman during the two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen season. He is a transferring to xavier from iowa. So there you go there you go. If you go to the podcast page of espn fifteen. Thirty dot com. You can hear old interviews. We've done dinner junior. Yesterday was fantastic on the bengals in the draft and giovanni bernard thaddeus moss and a lot of different bengals related items. We talked about the ring of honor as well that is on the podcast page of espn fifteen. Thirty dot com. The expectation for the football team is pretty big for two thousand twenty one right possibly in the top ten top fifteen. Espn football power. Index doesn't have the bearcats in the top twenty five one of the people who put together the football power index for. Espn will join us next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. Obviously there's a lot of huge expectations for the football team heading into two thousand and twenty one and the internet got mad yesterday. Uc twitter got mad yesterday. Espn released its football. Power index rankings. Top twenty five for the two thousand twenty one season. this is a year in which i think. The barricades are gonna be prohibitive favorites in the likely prohibitive favorites to be the highest ranked rupa five school by the end of the year at least at the beginning of the season and whether it's accurate or fair or realistic or not. There's going to be some college football playoff chatter. Which kind of ignores the fact that cincinnati has to go to both indiana and notre dame so huge expectations probably in the preseason top. Fifteen summer speculating. Maybe preseason top ten reason. I bring this up. Football power index rankings for. Espn doesn't have. You seen the top twenty five. Twitter got mad. I don't get mad. I just wanna get answers. So here's seth walder who's an analytics writer for espn. He is intimately involved in the football power index. I am not gonna yo you you. Uc fans of yo. You not gonna do that. I have questions. The first one is this. What does the espn football power index. So basically what fbi is is a statistical model that we used to rate every team in college football and project out the season for them both in the preseason and during the year in the season the way we come up with the ratings There's a whole bunch of different factors has to do with higher teams performed in recent seasons on offense defense and special teams. What kind of recruiting you've had over the last four years is your coach back. And how long has your coach. Ben there And what kind of returning production do you have Most importantly a quarterback but of course everywhere else as well so we put all that together gives us a ratings rating for every team. And use that to simulate out the season twenty thousand times and that gives us our projections for how many games are gonna win your chance to win the kaufman. Chance theresa play off all of that so at the top of your rankings. The usual suspects you would imagine. There's alabama oklahoma clemson one-two-three than iowa state. Which is interesting. Ohio state v. No group of five school and here. As i mentioned big things expected for ucla in the traditional polls we expect them to be ranked certainly in the top twenty five maybe the top fifteen perhaps around the top ten no uc bearcats. Can you explain why. Yeah there at twenty seven I will say. I was a little surprised myself when they were not in the top. Twenty five the just because they they're bringing her back. And like i mentioned at the beginning when you have when you bring a quarterback. That's about the best thing you can do especially that well. If it's a good quarterback and winner ranked fourth among returning quarterbacks in qbr last season so That's about as good asset you can have. But here's the thing. The difference is like we like oklahoma because they're bringing spencer rattling back right. But there's a difference between oklahoma and cincinnati when it comes to recruiting a significant difference. And so when you have a team like cincinnati who finished last year I think fourteenth fbi thirteenth inefficiency. I believe it's gonna expect that. Cincinnati is probably gonna take a little bit of a step back from that. And so. That's how you kinda ended up in the twenty seven range. You'll probably still definitely essentially saying they're gonna outperform their recruiting rankings. But if it's a step back from last year and i will say that there's a difference between ranking and project you see our cincinnati is the favorite to win the american. Not only that would make him an odd dumping fifty one percent. So it's all it. There is a key distinction. And i think you know society certainly could have a really nice evening you talk about projection and there's how they will fare against the rest of the conference and probably going to be preseason favorites when the league does their official preseason voting i think most would pick cincinnati their schedule this year. It includes two schools from power. Five i guess notre dame technically not a power five school but they go to notre dame game that a lot of people here are anticipating for a lot of different reasons. An indiana game. That was scheduled really was not much more than a blip on the radar but as good as they were last year the rankings. Have the hoosiers in the top twenty five when you project ahead to two thousand and twenty one and you factor in those two games against schools that you have in your top twenty five what do the ranking say about. How bear fan should feel about the upgrade schedule trunk. Glad you brought up the schedule because it is important so we we ultimately print jackson's adding to go nine point seven and three point that includes the potential conference championship game though not guaranteed so. That's how you kind of a you know. In the total number of twelve point seven game to me. The interesting thing. When i look at their schedule is if cincinnati. If you're a believer if you're a real believer in his team and you think they can win out against the schedule. Which includes notre dame and indiana has said. All our playoff predictor gives them a forty seven percent chance to reach the playoffs if they were to go thirteen to know and that to me was pretty eye opening and ultimately what when our model is saying is we think that's very unlikely i mean we're giving it a one and a half percent shop. Did they can pull that off but if they can. That's a legitimate chance as a group of five teams into the playoffs. And i think the schedule that makes that legitimate because of what you just said that the metrics factor in what schools return cincinnati as you. Well know is a place where we're not used to coach sticking around. Luke fickle is going to be in year five. He's going to be in year five of his offensive coordinator. He's going to be in year four essentially of his starting quarterback we referenced desmond ridder. They lost some guys on defense to the draft. But still that defense top to bottom. Looks really good. When you look at it metrically when you look at it from your point of view on the team. Is there a. Is there a weakness that the analytic suggests is going to possibly bring them back to the pack a little bit. I don't actually think so. I mean i think like it's not like one of these teams where You have a huge difference between offense. Defense fact i think it's pretty neat in there And so that's you know. I mean i guess it does it ultimately matter if you're you know if you have a great offense and forty insert great defense and offense and you're there you know okay and both. It doesn't really matter that much as long as in the end your collective strength is good. But no actually. I think he's going to be pretty pretty well balanced considering considering what you said. Yeah they're lose a few guys so the draft but But they should be a pretty good team and yeah we had 'em twenty seven th overall just outside of of the top twenty five to put it into context context with you. Ask me the thirtieth best offense and twenty eight best defense going into the year. So so that's really that's about a dallas as you can get so yesterday. Cincinnati fans were mad. Who is the fan base that on an annual basis can be counted upon to be the mattis at your rankings. Good question changes at all the problem. It changes every year. Because like we're not you know There have been years where i mean. We've kinda gone back and forth zigzagging on texas. It seems like whatever. And maybe we're kind of in the middle of the this year's not not especially your think it was two seasons ago was the last season now mixing it up Ever was high on taxes and we were low and then the please year we've been higher in texas and they were all low texas set one year. I think Ucf fans we're not. We're not happy though. They came not to be They're not happy about anything they're just they're just data seem to wake up every day and look of a reason to be mad. I've i've experienced with that. Yeah georgia fans are probably not amped about being stubborn. And i think that. That's kind of reasonable You can see that. I think to me the biggest surprises were actually the teams that were like rated higher than everyone else and that was. I mean not not more attention than mississippi state in which really did for me. And everyone else. I appreciate the explanation thank you. I hope we could do it again. Thanks so much thank you make. Sure you follow us on twitter at seth water and i tweeted out a link to the football power index. Top twenty five at allegra. Fifteen thirty we have to go a. We're back at it tomorrow at three zero five. Don't forget tony. Pike has cincy three sixty at noon. Have a great night. Thank you for listening. Thanks to taryn for producing. This is espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station.

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Hour 1: Eddie George

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And all and i promise that we are going to have great fun going forward here talking about sports and great fun was sort of the operative guiding principle that i had is i considered who wanna be my guest as i moved to this new timeslot. Well as no one more fun. I think in this entire industry right now than my friend pat mcafee who hosts the pat mcafee show which is appropriately named and he joins me. Now on the goodyear hotline. Happy new year pat. Mcafee your green. It is an absolute honor to be your but pride passion and patron tree of college. Football waves here. The paul finebaum show one podcast. They're legitimately cool football subjects to discuss not manufactured or make believe we have the first fpi of the year and the man who put it together will join us a little bit later on and there is one school in the top ten that you are not going to believe let's get some headlines before we reveal the scope of the day and we mentioned this yesterday. Eddie george hired at tennessee state. And that's what the headline says another way to honor mcnair. Of course the legendary player and he is going to join us in a few minutes and cannot wait to talk to the all american heisman winner from state who went onto the titans. Who went onto broadway and now is back in college football. Meanwhile there's a new coach on the vanderbilt campus. Oh two coaches in the city of nashville shea. Ralph long time assistant at uconn. I'm talking fourteen years named head coach of the vanderbilt women's basketball team. And are you worried. That eric muslim might be leaving to go to arizona worry. No more muss is finalizing a new multi year contract. That will not only make him rich. But keep him with the razorbacks according to Jeff goodman everyone knows it was two weeks ago when muscleman led the razorbacks to the elite eight and great news there. Meanwhile we briefly discussed this yesterday with knicks s. The has back. Trench gender athletes saying experts will be in places events. Events will be places free of discrimination and that was something that We still need some clarification on but as you know. A couple of states in this region have restrictive laws on transgender. So we will look into that a little bit later and if you ever had to call like two men and a truck or whatever it's called to move you from one place to the next. I have in fact i think i use damage. It's either two or three man. I can't remember but look at this. This statue has moved right in time for a day seven tonnes nine hundred thousand feet tall. How much did it cost. Just a mirror. Four hundred fifteen thousand dollars. That is that is poker. Money for nick saban and here. We go you ready for the top ten of the year. This is the fbi. The football power index number. One is borderline about oklahoma. Can they challenge alabama for for the top. They are number. Two clemson is three. Are you ready to unveil the list. I don't usually heart when i'm out. Drinking gra ias stated number four is that laughable. What ohio state five texas. Am george. oh hold on. A second is that is that a misprint. Is that mississippi state at number eight. As in terrible season last year under mike leach oklahoma state number nine and penn state number ten the full rankings of course available at espn dot com. That is one crazy list. I don't mind saying and i'm really curious. Is there a state fan within the sound of my voice that that believes that mississippi state. He's a top ten team. Maybe they are. Who's not in the top ten. Can you do a gator chomp. How do you feel gators. You are ranked behind mississippi state in the power index so so are a lot of other schools by the way. I am georgia. You expect that. You expect alabama you expect oklahoma clemson ohio. Say you do not expect iowa state you. Maybe a little bit later in the poll. I need someone to explain this one to me. I'm waiting because anyone going to call and explain how. Mississippi state ended up in the top. Ten phone number here is eight. Five five two four two seven two eight five. And what are we going to do today on the program. You got it eddie. George will be with this early ric davidson. He is a longtime auburn man. Who is part of the crooked oaks. Legacy foundation translation pat dies foundation. Connor aguirre has had some interesting comments recently about tennessee. And other things. And seth walder will join us later on. But i'm still waiting for someone to explain that top that top ten to me. We will get to cause in just a moment. Make sure i looked at my board had just got. It looked like it had blown out. So i'm gonna make sure it's working before we We get to calls. But i think it's just think about this for a second. How much do you by the fbi. The a the fbi. More in three hours away from seth explaining the rationale behind it and usually there is. There are good metrics that go into this. But i wanna talk about this for a second alabama oklahoma. Get clemson now iowa state. I don't know what they're basing it on. I would say he had a good season last year. I mean that's really impressive. Games had some clunkers as well. Ohio state and georgia oklahoma state. Yeah i can see that. That was a team that was ascending last year. But penn state yeah but not statement but mississippi state. I really want to think about that. Were i'm going to look deeper into poland a minute but i really just don't understand the mississippi state thing and i'm not gonna harp on eight more because i have spent a little bit of time on it but i do want to get some some clarification when we talked to him and again. I'm i'm trying. You usually ask the audience to give me a second. But i'm looking at the actual the complete list now and after mississippi state is oklahoma state. Notre dame texas. Florida would be at fort keen florida as fourteen. Lsu at eighteen. They buy by that ole miss at twenty two. And that's how the top twenty five read so again auburn forgot. It's me do the sec. Schools again alabama. One am next at six georgia seven mississippi state eight and then we go to florida at fourteen auburn at sixteen lsu. Eighteen ole miss at twenty two so those are the sec schools in the brand new f. Let's get some reaction and we begin with marian in georgia marian. Thank you and good afternoon today. We are doing pretty well. How about you. I would like to speak on the mississippi state comments. You may okay I agree with everything you said in the state paid more top. Sec teams. And i know people say whatever they say but the west side of the. Sec is stronger. They play more Petted if people on our side of course On the east side you have a two teams that really i which is florida in georgia. You go on the west side and you got everything. Heavy is on our side so I'm a fan i would. I would think you know. We'll be in the top five but If if mississippi state is above Texas a and m. and auburn and whatnot. Leave they those two teams and well hold on. Hold on hold on a second. Let's not make this too complicated. Let's look at what i mean. Let's look at what state did last year. They beat they beat lsu in the opener. They looked really good. They had some impressive. They had some impressive performances and then they just had some inexplicable performances. Would you not agree with me. I agree but it would be when you say the lsu the auburn's The tech today him they pay those all. Sec teams and they pretty much dumb it. Mississippi state lost to kentucky twenty four to two off alabama. Forty one to nothing now. They they played a game against arkansas. Lost by seven. They lost two am by two touchdowns and they barely got by vanderbilt. I mean that was a game that literally went down to the last minute so again you can't you can't base everything on last year but then you have to move it forward and look at their schedule and see what what they have to deal with tissue. That's really the ultimate test this year. Not what happened last year. Right you're correct but the people that bring it back and it's also what you looking at to right of course right right well. I appreciate you talking to me today. Man they. I mean their schedule is not. It's not impossible opened with louisiana tech. They have nc state. Which let's be honest is going to be. They're going they're going to be. Nc state nc state is is a program. That's going nowhere memphis next week. That's a game that could very well decide what happens the rest of the way. Lsu that am in college station. Alabama in starkville vandy kentucky. I tell you what now than a tennessee state late in the year. Now that i look at the schedule it is fairly manageable We'll tell you that they had the oldness game in starkville. They have a chance for a decent season now. Decent to me is eight and four. Maybe somewhere in that range but top ten. I'll need to be convinced we'll take a break. One of the coaches that will be dealing with the bulldogs is going to be joining us neck. He is eighty george the all time. Great now the new coach at tennessee state. Cute listening to the paul finebaum show. Podcast do you own or rent your home you do and i bet it can be hard work you know it's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geico dot com. We welcome you back yesterday. We let our program with this news. And i know so. Many people are really excited. A national on a cross country for that matter. Because eddie george shoes legendary player. We all have followed his career from the heisman at ohio. State to all pro the nfl to broadway. couple years. Remember when we talked to him when he was on broadway where he has now landed in nashville where he spent a lot of his life and his career as the new coach at tennessee state. And any you're not done a lot of radio show together. we joked about how state in alabama. I can't joke. I got to call you coach coach. Welcome to the show. Yeah i took this job just so you can do that all you have to call. Well i i mean back in the day before i made the move you did a lot of work for for sirius. Xm and i do some shows together at the national championship. And i love more love. Nothing more than than rubbing it into you when when good when good men do i in my short. We weren't together about two months ago in the aftermath of the national championship game. See there you go. It's okay now because of my hardest has turned lewis For house the fans of they won't like that but you know it's a new chapter in my life I'm really excited about it This happened unexpectedly. Sometimes in life things come out of nowhere in changes you for the better And this is one of the a Insisted that happened Didn't not forsee this We asked me six months ago. I saw coaching in my future would have been no. I was focused on building my businesses. What we saw on my entertainment career and also My teaching but When i was offered this opportunity without going too much into great detail how we got here. I saw a natural fit of all things. That i'm doing elevates a lot i can be in the position of service and truly changing in these men's lives for the better before during and certainly adds their playing days at done to To elevate and to transition them into a life after the game of football but while i'm here I will impact to be felt We're here to win championships not just obesity championships but national championships and To develop all americans and to develop all america's on up football field so I'm really excited about the opportunity Can't wait to get my hands entrenched into the infrastructure into the business Final quick off of what we would we have here and how we can enhance it and then moving forward and get this This program moving in the right direction. Eighty eight out your career and it's it's been very impressive and a lot of a lot of guys is as we both know struggle post post playing days. But you didn't you were well. Well you thought it out but when when this thing popped into your head and or however it came to you recently what what triggered you to get over the finish line because i mean you could have said you could have been very polite and said thank you. I'm a huge fan of of helping young people. But i'd rather do it my own way. What what what sold you on doing it now. Well for one. I did struggle at their Finish playing the game. Football was it was not an easy transition for me. So i understand that an insane that I wanted to come from position. Of would i would. I wish i had when. I finished playing the game of football to help. That transition in a car started their paul. But to answer your question. This opportunity was presented to me. Uh some time ago and initially. I was like thank you but no thank within. I talked to my wife. I talked to my fam listed. Talks about Taj you they're asking me to be the head football coach. I'd never coast to my life. I had no intention on coach. I love watching the game. I play the game out. My youngest son's in high school. I want to play goff. Bilbao businesses joy model. Enjoy my life and then she says well why not and. i couldn't come up with a good reason. Why couldn't do it. I mean you think about a live here. National tennessee familiar with the program I so much going on now with spca using the getting money. They're the growing their their their businesses in the right place and Give him my wealth of experience On the field off the field in the board room on the boards of broadway. I felt like. I can bring a holistic approach to this program That has my thumbprint on it. And quite frankly after i do the exercise of would look like what a program would look like. How much would it cost and so forth and going through all of that. I got really excited about it. And it wasn't until about a couple weeks ago. When i was like you know i'm gonna pull the trigger My businesses will still exist. They'll look a little differently But for the most part. I can truly hit a broad stroke of young men An impact them for the their allies. Because i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for coaches like mickey sullivan. Forty military academies hall of fame. This year he he was such an instrumental part of my life. I would not be sitting in this position talking to you being a head coach. Doing all the things that i've done the wasn't for his impacts of i can do the same thing for some young kid This coming here Hopeful of having nfl dream or hopeful of having a a career. After that. i wanna do that same thing. I'm at this point in my life. Where i'm in my mid forties and I'm looking to give back in a great way. And i feel like i'm gonna get so much more fulfillment out of this than than even having played in my own career so I i relish in that. I gave that some deep thought i A lot of soul searching. And i put my own selfish wants aside said. Hey this is the ultimate Active of service is to choose to be a leader and coming in. You know knowing that. I haven't coast football game in my life. Want to go back something you said because it doesn't matter who we are and particularly after the last fifty three weeks or thirteen months. I should say we've all struggled with various things in our life but it looks like when you finish playing professional football after a story in college and pro career. It should be the time of your life. And i've seen you during this period and you've done so much but for those who are struggling. Would you go back and discuss for just a moment. How you how you were able to cope with leaving the limelight so to speak in finding something new. Because i think it's important for all of us understand that we all we all deal with this. Yes and and that's that's one of our pillars here. It's just a really focus on robust strong mental health program in terms of that Young men put so much stake in displaying the game of football if playing professionally a you can go on to have a hall of fame career millions of dollars but once you realize that that's not your identity and that's not your know who you are It can it can transfer bad so for me. i went through that a little bit of that. I had at the end of my career. When i was thirty. One two thousand four Newly married a my second child on the way a saved my money. But i didn't know was next. It was a situation where i was like. Well who am. I for so long. I built up this personality. This person as football player now that was gone. What was next for me. What was my next purpose in life. And i was able to do it through My education through my love of the arts and through Osborne worship ventures And i had to seek out counseling. Which i still do you know. I'm one. i'm a huge proponent of someone saying hey i need help that's the strongest thing you can do instead of saying i. I am strong enough to to handle simone. I'm a grown man. And i can deal with them my own. There's more power. Say that you need help and indesit got me through it. You know talking it out here me out Being an actor. I was able to take a lot of the frustration that passionate fear it's filtered through storytelling. And and that's allowed me to build. Have the confidence to get in front of people talk in an audience so You know i. I see all that to say that. It's you cannot overlook the fact of mental health. You can't throw money at it. You have to have a strong resource there that understands and make sure that your kids are checking in daily because the reality of it is paul. Is that a majority of those. Kids won't make it to the nfl. And i'm not gonna put that in their heads. I wanna say you come here. You want to go to the nfl. We want to prepare for that but in case that you don't Here's what you can do to to define your next passion. And that's what. I'm a big advocate. Finally before you go just the prestige and the long history of this university. I know that had to be a factor. But how do you connect the past at tennessee state to the president and and make sure that the future is bright. As past request is is honoring the tradition knowing that the the great coaches. That have coached here. The hall of fame coaches have hall of fame in the hall of fame players This this university is produced the most players in the nfl of all the huge The bones are here for greatness So it's to engage with the guys of the past to bring back Those those guys had to happen letters. Men's club and all of those things to where we can find out. Well what can we do collectively to help push this university for the the funds are there. The opportunity is there. We have a ton of potential a ton of energy. And that's what i think is going to take us to propel into the next few for the future. So i'm not. I did not take this job. Paul as a spike. I take this job as a splash in the pan. I'm not interested in splash. I'm i'm i'm more interested. It's just a sustainability and how we can do that for the future. So when i'm lawn and long gone this continues to move forward in a positive direction towards evolution in it doesn't move backward so is going to take for us to roll up our sleeves a figure out where the deficiencies are Look at where we are. Strengths are in the where. Weaknesses are and Thumbprint on responsible. Safe way Is to indiana to. Your point is to connect people together into let them know this. Our vision our vision. Not eddie doors vision Not any individuals division but was the best for the university of t. Issue moving forward and these young people that are coming to this university. just a fantastic conversation With with eddie george coach. Eddie georgia all the very best and wait to see you this fall and hope you'll come back here very soon. Our i'm gonna send you see us. You had so you have to wear from now okay. I wouldn't be thrilled. Well thank you so much. I can't wait to get that. Thanks coach eddie. George t issue and you got the natural. Take a short break. What a fantastic way to begin the program and we were often running with your phone calls coming up next at eight five five two four two seven two eight five listening to the paul finebaum show podcast and we welcome you back. I hope you enjoyed the conversation. With with eddie where. We've also talked a little bit about this new fbi. And we're going to talk to chef. Walter who was in charge of putting together a list. We weren't over the top ten names which were intriguing for those who may have missed it. Let's expand it a little bit and include the how the schools ranked in the top twenty five as we get ready to show you this list of course alabama being number one and we were alabama is one. Texas am sixth georgia's seventh mississippi state. Eight florida fourteen auburn sixteen. Lsu eighteen almost twenty two arkansas twenty-nine missouri thirty four kentucky thirty nine tennessee forty eighth south carolina. Sixty eighth and dandy ninety third. So let's get some conversation going on the especially if you're at tennessee. Fan or south carolina. Fan or even a kentucky fan you are getting some strong indicators right there this could be a long year what about mississippi state ranked fourth in the sec. Ahead of florida auburn. Lsu ole miss and missouri. a sure. there'll be a little bit of reaction to that and we will get it for you in just a minute. Eight five five two four two seven two eight five and get back to the calls here and checkout dave. Who's in jersey. Hey dave thanks good afternoon. Hey paul how. I today. Doing great excellent excellent. We're doing better today. One of my time things. I run a town softball program for kids. Yesterday was fifty rainy and miserable law games today. Sixty five sunny at night. So we're gonna play ball it's good. It's good weather for jersey really is a wanted to thank you for eddie jordan interview said it brought back memories of i call the soggy day ever spread a football game and it was january i ninety six orlando and new years eve all the buckeye fans orlando were given us such a hard time because they they're in a heisman trophy winner to town and we had no chance at all. We just had some software quarterback called peyton manning and we started about ten. Am that morning and by time game time we were so to the skin. It just never stopped range. I think about the third quarter. A wonderful bakes. I seem to remember. We won twenty to fourteen and everybody orange all those soaking wet. We had a wonderful day and a wonderful time. And that's just all came roaring back in your interview. And i just wanted to thank you for bringing them on. Dave thank you. And i have known any Quite a while and he just exudes clashtion. And i think you know he said so much in that conversation. This is not about me. I'm not to start here somewhat contracting with someone else who joined us a couple of months ago but his first season as a head coach. Let's get back to the calls and checkout jim who is in texas. Hello jim afternoon. I fall out the going very well. Thank you so On the april fool's day about twelve days ago. Yeah in fact. That's exactly what it was well. Okay so admittedly. I'm an old list fan. But you're telling me. Mississippi state got to be better than penn state. Notre dame boorda taxes wisconsin. Lsu oregon an offer. That's who wrote that likely i. I don't know we'll talk to him in about two hours. So i'm not. I'm not trying to over hyphen interview. But i cannot wait to hear what he has to say. And by the way the person we have on is in charge of the metrics they use a specific means of schedule. A power intangibles. I don't even remember we. We've had seth on a million times. I can't remember what he puts into a power index but that may be one of the strangest Things i've ever seen spit out one of these computers. I don't get it. i mean. I was saying that they've had been sad. But that one is is a head. I mean the only thing. I will say jim is. The mississippi state schedule is pretty palatable. And they couldn't they could win all four non conference games when you talk about tech and nc is there which is at home and you know. Memphis is a challenge. I'm not saying it isn't and tennessee. State they have at home and here. It is for those who miss it early. Louisiana tech. nc state at memphis that's troublesome game by the way Lsu at home at an am. I don't know how in the world they're going to win alabama at home but they had at vanderbilt kentucky at arkansas at auburn tennessee. State and ole miss so they they catch a break and non-conference wise and they also get vanderbilt. Which is the weakest team in the sec. As as a game they play crossover. So you know. They always play kentucky. So that's fairly alabama at home. That doesn't it doesn't no favours at. Lsu at home state has beaten lsu at home that would not be considered the big upset considering state when their last year. and only. that's all i can think of. That's that's it. I mean they go four and four nagging thing and that does not equate to number eight in such. Yeah i'm looking at an sec losses. I see one two three four. Yeah yeah you're right i i. I don't know how they can do any better than four. And four in the sec. Yeah that would that. Would that would be considered moderately successful. Anyway we're heading to a break. We will continue with more of your phone calls at eight five five four two seven two eight five. We have a long way to go. Including seth walder. Now who is the most eagerly anticipated. We've had in a while especially to folks in starkville. You're listening to paul. Finebaum show podcast. We walk back and james is up next as we had to the phones. Hey james all it's a wonderful time of year isn't it. It's hard to beat this time of the year. I'm i'm glad you appreciate it. I'm sitting here listening to your the sailor. The holiday was running. Whatever we call it between Your program and the advertisements and I hear charles barkley claim that james harden may be the best player on the planet. I didn't hear that. Well here's what i would offer to charles. And i'm going back. I'm gonna date myself here charles. Once upon a time said advertisement any knucklehead can score. How phone call from yesterday. Paul i do remember yes and There was some so-called eight auburn fans calling in. I wouldn't call myself irate out this call myself disgruntled. But maybe you know now possibly My disgruntlement will change to something else. But would you say four. Years is enough for the recent past for I don't know a reference. I think four years is a long time to to keep going back to okay. Let's this list for years. Then see yesterday. The issue with logan and and the the host was that somehow the alabama auburn rivalry had fallen off. Well i understand. We haven't won as many national championships as the tide over there in tuscaloosa but i mean we can't hitler's a black hole over there in tuscaloosa in other words you really don't understand my point or movie logan i'm not talking about the tradition of the row. We're i'm talking about i. I work in a day today. Industry where it doesn't matter how good or bad i was yesterday. It's a new day today and talking about not one to that is not that is not the point though. Everyone knows that I can i can quote stats just like you can. What i'm talking about is the intensity of the rivalry day today. Not on that. Final saturday november. You don't you don't think people around here. Still not no i really i really i do not i do not i think sabin i think sabin broken. The will of the auburn people. Do we want a man that was making seven days. So that doesn't mean he didn't beat save but he did we all watch the games together. I'm talking about. I'm talking about the day to day back and forth that has gone on in my lifetime between auburn alabama. I'm suggesting my opinion only it doesn't exist anymore. Well what. I'm trying to say to us is the fact that we haven't settled well. We could've just kept Because we had that will pay said million dollars james. Gd do me a favor and you call me back in eight years or whatever it is and tell me if brian carson has had. We'll have beaten nick sabin three time. Oh i'm not suggested that he's got a laugh. Half as long as gus malzahn beat saving three out of eight times them this year. Paul good you. That's not what we're talking so you're trying you're doing so many people do in the new world is trying to take things out of context. I think my record on alabama auburn is is pretty. Well take things out of context context. That's what that's what you tell me. I'm i'm telling you that you you've taken this entire conversation that i had yesterday out of context little fun though right golf. Yeah could find in that funding in the in the in the way a root canal is fun. I've never had one praise. God i had. I had all mine done the same day. And i can tell you. There was a relief when it was over but during the process. It was pretty painful. What you tell me when you when you get tired of it push that button is going to be a reason i will tell you. A root canal is not is not nearly as bad a colonoscopy which this is starting to remind me of oh come all all powell just playing renewed brother. Did you ever had one. Well i have. Not i rightly. Know why you wanna go there. Well i'm just trying to tell you discomfort. I you're just not following. You're trying to be an entertainer. James as opposed to a caller. Oh my bad. Excuse me you're trying james. You're trying to make this show. Good again come on. You can't do that. oh again. I heard what i heard. I heard here. You're trying you're upsetting order information james. You're upsetting the new world order with show has to be boring. Come on i. I went through all the nine years. Okay i'm in that age group. I was nine years old when donald punt was a nice little. I remember james. i must run. Sorry as much as this done Enjoyable as this has been we'll take a break three hours to go stick around. Thank you for listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast the paul finebaum. 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DeMar DeRozan, Gracie Gold, and Molly Seidel

"That's what she said was sarah. Spain is presented by coors light. The beer made to chill celebrate. Responsibly coors brewing company golden colorado. We're approaching week. Ten in the nfl and the best place for insights analysis and wit is none other than the meantime show featuring lenny this week. Meaning we'll be joined by. Espn seth walder analytics. Darling you can find the meantime show wherever you get your podcasts. That's what she said that's what she said that's what she said what she says. Well that's what she said. welcome to. That's what she says. Conversations with interesting people from the world of sports music comedy and more talking about their lives careers successes and failures. So this week's pod felt especially timely. After last week which. I definitely count as among the most stressful of my life. The stress leading up to voting the final push for the candidates. The endless stream of text messages campaign asks which led up to the very long drawn out results twenty four seven anxiety from start to finish until it was eventually called a full four days later. And what the next seventy or so days are gonna look like is a mystery. Will president trump use his final days as an opportunity to pushtoon legislature to pardon people himself or otherwise. Make last minute efforts. How's the transition to biden's administration gonna go. What does that administration gonna look like. Add to that of course the covert numbers. The holidays that we might spend away from family and we're in for a tough stretch. I think But we need to stay hopeful and prepared. We need to ask for help when necessary and give ourselves the tools to work with to fight anxiety and depression and mental health issues so at the sp summit last month. I was lucky enough to have a panel with three fantastic athletes who have publicly talked about their own mental health battles and how they fight them. And i think you can learn a lot from them. Here's my conversation with nba player. Marge rosen olympic figure skater gracie gold and prone molly sidell let their wisdom help you and inspire you and hopefully take you through next couple of months. That's what she said as a welcome on the next three people. I just want to reiterate how thankful we are that. They're here to share their stories and their bravery assad tomorrow's and posted on twitter that he was going to be in this panel today in one of the first comments with someone saying you don't realize how much good you're doing and i think that's something to be remembered throughout this conversation. There's a great mr rogers quote anything. That's human is mentionable. Anything that mentionable can be more manageable when we talk about her feelings. They become less overwhelming less upsetting and less scary. So these three superstar powerful people leading path and creating a place for others to be themselves and to have permission to talk about their own. Mental health is beyond all of their accomplishments on the field on the race. Track and on the court so And on the ice. Welcome to you three so great to see you. Thank you for being here. Yeah i want you guys to introduce yourselves. Which is my favorite thing to do in a panel. Because i love to hear people brag on their own greatness and also. Because i'm gonna make sure to comment if you leave out any of that good stuff tomorrow. Let's start with with you. Tell us just a little bit about yourself. Don't usually ladies go first. You want me to go that. Wow okay let's i love that. We've got mad at the summit. He is leading with manner. so let's start with gracie then on the other end. Hi it's so wonderful to be here. And i'm so excited to be on this panel this other wonderful woman and man a gentleman. Thank you for letting us go. I i guess yeah so Gracie obviously a olympic medalist figure skater. Two time national champion and one of the faces of figure skating in the us for years a superstar. So happy that you're here molly. Why don't you introduce yourself. hi my name. Is molly seidel. I'm a professional runner for sake and as recently just qualified for my first olympic team and excited to be here to talk with. These guys really bummed. I love the humility very first marathon. Ever she qualifies for the olympic team. And then you just ran your second marathon. Ever and the ninth fastest american woman ever in just your second try unbelievable and a almost unprecedented for individual national championships. That notre dame i love how. You're rockin the hat making sure everybody knows demar. You damore roseanne. I played for the senate. Tonio spurs Some say all right and basketball. You know You know i'm just. I'm just happy to be here. My story and definitely listen to these ladies and have read all stories of racial me. So i'm really. I'm really in the here. You know being a part of this right now. Yeah four time all star olympic gold medalist. I would say people would definitely say you're pretty alright at basketball now too bad. Let's talk about why we're all here this this mental health conversation. I'm so grateful has been Something over the last couple years that we've talked about so much more publicly. And especially in the sports world. And tomorrow i remember very notably when you posted on social media about struggles with depression and so came to the forefront with it but before you were willing to go public and talk about it. Do you remember when you were first. Able to sort of put a name to and understand the mental health challenges. You're facing now. It took a while you know it wasn't was over. Odor gained gained the knowledge and understanding. A lot of my ways came from a lot of dark times in my life that i kinda swept under the rug that i never paid attention to our even care to even address you know at times. I used to wonder why with still unhappy. Who else so frustrated. While i was mad at the world when it was no one else. Well you know a lot of things that. I kind of suppress by plants. Sports in put ma sports in kind of let me down the road to not never address a lot of personal issues that that was going through and it wasn't a when i hit a wall and really had to reevaluate myself in a different light to understand what i was really was going through. Yeah molly was there a moment for you when you sort of identify it. No i think. I've known her for a long time on kind of what it was that i dealt with things that maybe other people weren't dealing with When i was younger. I really struggled with a lot of obsessive compulsive behaviors and anxiety and my family helped me manage it pretty well but yeah i. I almost kind of fell into running and doing this for that. I do because it was a really good way of packages. Making my brain were directly. I felt like sometimes the only only time my brain really fit inside. My body was when i was running. And i think i'm really lucky in that i've found a a sport that really supports my mental health. But yeah. I have something. That i was lucky enough when i was younger to learn kind of what i had diagnosed with. Ocd and then be able to work with arabists since then. Yeah it's fascinating. How sometimes sports can be this great escape and sometimes it can actually help us hide from really digging into the things that we need to figure out Gracie how about you. Well when i probably finally accepted like my diagnosis just severely depressed. And then with my disordered eating was probably when i checked into treatment at my favorite peice was like we. We have some issues to work here. And i was like no. I'm just quirky. i'm just different like i. Just have some strange behaviors and obviously being an sport like figure skating. Disordered eating almost goes with the territory. Because you are judged on not just what you do but how you look while you're doing it like if anyone pictures of figure skater in their head there's a certain aesthetic to it but just goes along with it but it took a while for me to accept the severity of it and yeah just kept kind of brushing it under the rug just stove more and more into skating more and more into training. Because that's something that always made me feel better but it ended up in kind of burnout. Situation where yeah. I'd brushed so many things under the rug for so long that they piled up. Do you think it was a lack of knowledge or understanding or do you think it was more a desire to not acknowledge the truth. That kept you from really saying this out loud and from trying to penetrate sort of being quirky instead of something diagnose -able. That's a great question. I think it's both. I ran into what i call toxic. Positively a lot where it's the no like everything's fine. It's all going to be okay. No that's not real like this is what is in a way that i think a lot of times. It came from a good place but in reality it just kind of added to the sentence of. I mean it invalidated what i kind of felt was going on because it at one point even i was like oh. This seems bad but everyone around. He was like no. It's fine or even worse when any kind of mental illness manifests differently than advertised so like everyone understands depression if it's after a really severe trauma if it's crying if it's things like that but if it's bouts of irritability angry outbursts it it almost looks like you're just being lazy when in fact it just feels like the world is crashing. You and like that's why you can't get out of bed and do anything so i kind of ran into some issues there and of course it really hit it's peak kind of going into the two thousand eighteen olympic seasons. I think everyone just kind of wanted to be okay. When in fact it really hadn't been okay for a long time. Yeah the timing of your sport and participating at the biggest and highest level only every four years means that people might be wanting to encourage you to push through something that needs to be addressed. Can you talk about sort of that. Low moment for you I think one of the quotes you said about it was sort of everything in your life lead on fire at once. Yeah that's kind of. I guess how i felt about it is. I just looked around and i was like what's good. Nothing was i was living in detroit. Ann's like i'd covered all the mirrors because i didn't want to look at myself. I was out of shape and not just for my sport is not bad news. But i didn't like how i looked and how i felt s- I wasn't leaving my apartment really and it was only to kind of show face at the ring. If i made it into the ring day i was. I was shot in. I didn't talk to people. And if i did. I don't think it was a very pleasant interaction for them and yeah. It just was kind of a dumpster fire. It was said just brushing all those things under the rug for so many years and they just accumulated and by the time i kind of knew what was going on idol way. Bigger pile of stuff to deal with than i thought. Yeah molly how about you is. Was there a low point that you remember. Yeah i would say probably manifested right at the end of college Going into the twenty sixteen olympic trials. That was kind of my rock bottom moment and kinda backup gracie on what she's saying. Just being in a sport that show early promoted certain body type specifically very thin vary the code word and running like bit. You look so bitten for me hours when i was at my absolute bottom white. People just kept telling me you look so fit. You look so ready to run fast. And it's this messaging that you're getting back constantly and you're like what i'm doing is right even though my family and the people who were really close to me and my closest friends are like you're not healthy. My low point was at the twenty sixteen trials when one of my best friends sat me down on a ben and just basically told me. You look like you're dying. You're not healthy. You need to get help. And that was when. I realize like okay like i can't do this anymore. I've gone off the deep end. And that was my impetus to go and eating disorder treatment. But yeah i think it's. It's really hard when you're hearing so many different things from so many places. And i think he takes a really strong support network. At least it did for me. It wasn't something that i would ever going to be able to get out of on my own. I needed the my friends and family around me to to help me see the how far i've gone and telling come back from it. That's what she said. These days everything is go go. It's nothing but nonstop hustle all the time work friends family. A million pressing social issues and an expectation to be on twenty four seven. Sometimes you just need a moment to turn off and hit reset that's when you reach for coors light it's made to chill coors light wants you to know that no matter what sport is on this fall. Saturdays are your time to chill. 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There's such an incredible fine line in both figure skating and racing between the optimal weight and strength and all of that to perform but still being fueled enough to be a top level athlete. And to your point so much of that messaging from people can be well intentioned but actually be reinforcing negative and bad behaviors dhamar in basketball very different right. Of course you have to be fit and of course you have to be in shape but it's this focus on toughness right and so especially as a black man in a sport like the nba. How difficult was it for you at that. Low point to acknowledge except that you want to help definitely tough. You know just like marley said it's it's it's like you know you have a streak of you have a week of great games and you being praised everybody says some good to you how you scored as many points how you wanna game how you had this shot and a lot of times you know so me that two and a half hours is is my escape from reality but as soon as you walk away from it you know every positive thing that you hear kind of it kind of hurts because you really suffering from something that you feel like you can't say out lau you own express the nobody you'll want to seem like you make some type -scuse you find any reason not to say something you know but you hear so many positive things the nike even go to the other way when you're having a bad week of playing going to work you can look at in not looked at as a human but look that as a basketball player in kind of sheltered you even more because now i really can't say nothing so it's tough you know it was extremely tough and it took a lot out of me to build up that confidence within myself of understanding like no before this i'm a may you know and i know that schools and everything that i've been to the person in my life that got gotten to this point i should not let mitral for what i feel you know discredit me when it comes to plan basketball in a lotta guys struggle with that getting a place of not wanna say nothing because you notice this man we're not supposed to satan notice shows weakness vulnerability i'm not willing to say now and i'm gonna just suffer as silence while i get all this attention are while i get all this criticism and it kind of puts you just in a deeper darker place that at times it's even harder to get us but i've learned being able to speak about it kind of lifts mordon weight off your shoulders off your spirit of your heart to be able to keep pushing even more shall we talk so much especially in our espn w spaces about allowing girls to be whatever they dream of and reinforcing the idea that the stereotypes applied to women and girls don't matter but we don't do that as much with boys we still a really restrictive of them expressing their feelings talking about things that when they need help and so when you offer that up you really pave the way for other men to speak about it. Do you remember what it felt like when you decided that you wanted to go public. And how did you decide. Honestly i it was it was it was was my old selfish impulsive reaction that i took the twitter owen day in. I'll see if i sit up here and say you know i plan on doing this. This is going to help. I'd be lying. It was just one of those moments. Where i just. I just hit a wall. And i went to twitter and i woke up the next day to a whole. What's best that. I didn't expect to have but from there. You know i just told myself. Well this is what i'm dealing with just from the ever. Since then i decided to speak my truth. Speak my feelings. Speak what i've been through an sita. The outpour of positivity from people of me giving a helping hand in a moment where i had no clue i was going to be able to help so many people. It made me feel better. It made me kind of upset at myself. Like damn why. Why i could have been said something if if this was a case because this is my true balance but i never was looking foot. No attention i kinda just hit my walk. A hit my lowest point for screaming out for help and silence enough finally screamed out twitter and it turned out to be a positive reaction. And i'm glad i did this quote from you is a remarkable. It took me to be twenty seven years old. When i shared my story to accept being okay with being vulnerable it gave me a sense of confidence and empowerment that i never thought would be their remarkable right. At this moment of vulnerability it actually turns you into more powerful more confident. More sure of yourself because you're able to speak openly about what you're going through. That's such a lesson to other people too. Who are who are considering whether they should ask for help. And be honest and that freedom of finally of letting it all out molly. I know when you decided to go public and talk about some of your challenges. You are concerned you get pigeonholed. All the stories would then be about the runner who has ocd or disordered eating. Can you take me through some of what you were feeling as you decided to go public. Yeah i think originally. It wasn't any sort of long thought out thing going public. It was just me going on a friend's podcast and she has She'd actually been someone who is very close to me helping me through a lot of really difficult times and we kind of just got talking and i found kind of in the moment that was finally ready to talk about it and afterwards it was kind of like this the little bit of a flood of things and then especially after making the olympic team. Then people are really fascinating. Because i think it's definitely not necessarily the norm in in running to find someone who journals with eating disorder and then comes back. It's highly prevalent in the sport. But i think. I'm kind of an exception to the rule on that one so i i hope at the very least that my story i community help people who are struggling and going through a no like okay. If you if you can get this under control you can come back. This doesn't have to be a death sentence for your career My yeah to still kind of struggle with that. I think a lot of people just want to just wanna classified as one story or classified as okay. You're you're stories done now. You've over comment on you. Never have to deal with this again. Happy ending time. Bow on it and and it's never going to be like that. I think it's just it's a little by little changing perceptions about this and i'm sure gracie can speak to it as well Eating disorders are incredibly city. As they come back in many ways in many of us will deal with that for the rest of our lives. It's mostly how do you manage it. How do you live with that. How do you move forward with the techniques that you've developed be able to work tracy. I thought it was so fascinating to hear. Especially when you were coming up people would call you grace kelly. The grace kelly figure skating because of your beauty and your poison the name of course. You had no connection to grace kelly. You're way too young to really have a connection to grace kelly. You heard it so many times that you thought to yourself. I like this idea. I like the idea of representing this thing and that probably stood in your way a lot. The the idea of who you wanted to be versus. Who and expressing your true self did that come into play when you decided to talk about this so when i when i first decided to talk about it it was more that i kind of needed to explain what i because i when i went into the treatment facility dipped off the face of the earth for forty five days and then a little bit after i just popped up in arizona to coach and train them and just withdrew from a bunch of events. The whole skating world is like what is going on here. So i just just to kind of explain like hey Now when to a treatment facility for all of these issues but it did seem off brands. Because yes i was born with a stage name gracie gold the olympic figure skater. It's just that's what that is an yet grace. Kelly was from one of my coaches and that was kind of the aesthetic and the vibe bats. I like i never came up with that. Just kinda got stuck on me and was like okay. It was a complement. Of course and i liked it. Better than like the barbie. i'm edge. Which but yeah. I statically really fit kind of like the traditional sport of skating but as a human and as a person. I'm really far off from that. So and i was a little bit worried about being pigeon told Smiled like being like that girl. But it was refreshing. I guess actually say what i wanted to to speak my mind to be vulnerable and not just kind of put up that facade of hi i'm gracie and everything is great today. It was nice to be able to take that off. And just be me. I read this remarkable exchange Twenty seventeen when things were sort of low. You're still competing you in colorado springs and the judges. Some of them couldn't hold back tears while delivering critiques for you because You didn't seem like the skater that they had come to know and the tell something something was wrong but in in response to the judges in some of what they had to say you said. Can anybody see the cry for help. That is my existence right now with a month. You had entered that inpatient program. That's such an unbelievable vocalist. In the moment of this thing that you'd clearly been holding in what happened that day So we were at It's called camp but it's our kind of summer team evaluations. Before we go international and i showed up and you want to be pretty on point for jams cam. You know because you are competing internationally in a month or two so. I showed up and like extra large hoodie sweatpants. I wasn't jumping at that point. And i was wildly out of shape And yeah very much. Looks like i hadn't been skating. Which had not been a on stirring the judges critique that the tears didn't feel real to me and they just felt what really sent me off the their lake. If you lost weight you know we could get this back on track. Then i was like oh here we go again like if we just lose weight. It'll all be fine right. I was so sick of that and in fact there were so many other things going on like they've just were lecturing me about being untrained and being out of shape and no one stopped to ask because i was always a hard worker. Yeah no one stops the ask why. What is preventing you from training. What is is there something else going on. That's going on. That's the root cause about why we're here and so I get a little profane. And i did let them know my thoughts which was off brands Because normally i would just hold my tongue and be like nice and polite Again in a sport lake skating we are judged so it's not recommended to go off on the people. Judging you with broke hannity but yeah i just. I was so sick of no one seeing me. Like i was as a person and as you said dhamar like yeah just seeing a basketball player and not a person. I just felt like they saw the figure skater. Just like barbie doll. And if i didn't fit the mold that they wanted for me. It was behavioral. It wasn't it was like mental health. Never crossed anyone's mind. And what a remarkable failure that has in sports and has been for such a long time to look at people who are at the very best at what they do and have worked so hard to get there and then accuse them of laziness or not caring or not wanting it and so often. That's what we do instead of trying to understand and have conversations about what might be at the root of their changed behaviors or the way that they're handling themselves Molly what is the response in your sport. And do you feel like it's in a good place to receive conversations about this stuff on yeah. I think it's definitely become much more of a point of conversation than the sort of running on a lotta women that i really look up to have spoken out about this over the last couple of years lauren. Fleischman is actually a a huge inspiration for me as an athlete. Personally and she's written a lot about how her own experience of feeling like she had to change her body in this sport and that i think it's becoming something that people are aware of people are able to talk about more and more runners are telling their stories about struggling with eating disorders. But unfortunately i believe it is still a huge problem especially in the collegiate system of running doe. I think it's going to have to just something that systematically we work to change over years. Maybe getting more female coaches into collegiate running just opening dialogues about this kind of stuff. Because it's nothing's going to change if we don't actively work to make it change. That's what she said bringing light to all. This is so important and you mentioned earlier. A lot of people think when you talk about it. oh. I'm so glad that you you fixed it and the problem is over. But it's an ongoing process of recovery. It's a journey and for you molly. Interestingly when you switched to marathon In college you dominant at at at ten thousand and you decided to try marathon. You have incredible success from the start but you have to relearn what it means to fuel your body for twenty six miles plus versus shorter distances. How has that been for you. Because that's a whole different set of tools that you need to understand how much you have to put in to get out the results that you want. Yeah the marathon. Fueling is something that i still struggle with especially in this buildup from london. We really worked to nail at because atlanta a leading into the olympic trials. Which was my first marathon. I really had no idea what to expect in you. Just you bump your training up suddenly instead of running eighty miles a week. You're running one hundred twenty and fuelling requirement for your body like there. Were certain days where. I'm eating three to four thousand calories a day just for someone who's been through eating disorder treatment back in already fairly triggering and in addition to that. There's you literally have to you'll during the marathon on. You're taking in carbohydrates while you run so it really was kind of this paradigm shift of how i had approached my running and my fuelling in college. I think there was always this approaching college. I can't eat too much. Because i the worst thing in the world is to have too many calories whereas now my approach is more. The worst thing is to have a few calories to not have enough fuel because you will literally walk in the marathon. You will literally be able to finish So it's it's taken work is continued work with my therapist. My coach has been right along with me this whole thing. I'm very open with him about my struggles. You that he works with me With it and yeah. I think it's kind of going back to just having that. Were system being able to learn from people around me and women who are more experienced giving advice so yeah it's it's a learning process. I feel like london this path. I just did three weeks. Ago is a really good step. On the way as i prepare for the olympics in one more and learn a little bit more finally learn how to fuel gone well not to mention personal best cutting your time and just your second marathon so fantastic so impressive demar. You told the. Espn back when you went public and participated in a psa for the nba. And you were a part of their developing efforts to be more aware and supportive of mental health issues. You told espn people say what are you depressed about. You could buy anything you want. I wish everyone in the world was rich so they could realize money isn't everything that comes up every time. This comes up whether that's an athlete. Who gets injured. He'll be fine. He's rich an athlete who doesn't achieve the thing. They were most working towards the he'll be financed rich. Tell me about what you want people to understand about mental health. This is serious matter. You know this is what you're saying that it it does not discriminate on anyone in. It's a thing that that ruins a lot of people that don't address it. You know it's a crazy thing. What even when. I hear people say that you know use dehumanized in a person already by saying it but thinking because somebody has this that a third you know that they're they're fun. That's that's not right. I think that's why such an important topic to get people to understand that a lot of times ones who say stuff like that could be suffer from so much as well that they are. They afraid to address So for me it just it. Just one of those saints to where like we got we got gotta treat like it's like everything goes how we treat our our health the way we eat way. We approach life. That's important mental. Health is gonna get pushed on era so much because people don't wanna be vulnerable people don't wanna feel like they're less of a person in having these conversations show people how empire in really is when you speak your story for me. I get more excited. When i when i'm able to see players in any sports in any walk of life share their story you know it just shows me how remarkable of person they are in us as human beings. Welcome notice are the things that we were capable to do on a daily basis. What the things we go through with the danger we face would every single day. you know. it's it's one of those things that we have to speak about because we live in a tough world you know you turn on. Tv you see so much negativity you see so much stuff that goes on. Every single day plays on people mind consciously depressing and if you don't address it or understand it i it will play on your your up in in same hole. What everybody else. Not think the more people that have conversation like this. You'll get more of a positive feeling and more caring for the person sitting next to you you i'll care why go look at every every single person exact same. I don't care speak what everybody exact saying would nothing but respect and try to give off positively. Because you don't know what that person to you know for me. I grew up. I grew up in compton california. And you're not. It'd be days i go to school and you. You could be laughing with a friend. That's sit right and right next to unique. Come to school the next day and you hear story about how you know he was killed. You know you always be like. I wish i would talk to him more. I wish i would have said something to help mouths In living a lot of those regrets thoughts and plays on. So i always try to treat everybody with some type of respect and give them some type of inspiration. Do the same to somebody else when when they go somewhere. So you know just topic you. People look at it like it's such a cliche word but it's it's real. That's really saying that i can think of. You never know what someone has gone through because we are so great. That white lies every single day. I always tell people will walk by somebody and say they access we don't. We asked them how they doing. First thing we say oh great you know we we do it. Unconsciously to where we trained the keep whatever we filling in that day and because we may not be a burden that person we may not want to speak on it when speaking about it kind of gives you relief and so like you know what. Let me try to help somebody else out. Let me ask them really how your day going. Let's talk a buddy. You know what i mean it is. It's remarkable how much better people can feel. Just getting it off their chest just talking to someone and connecting with another human being. It's been tough to be great over the last few months especially in added challenge to all of us With corona virus with uncertainty. About your sports and jobs and everything else i wanna leave by talking about some toolboxes and some kits and some tricks that we all have and gracie. I'm curious over the course of this time. Understanding what you're dealing with and how to power through it and how to address it and continue on your journey. What is that toolbox. Look like for you and what. What have you learned. Learned a lot Will one thing that's not in. My toolbox is powering through it. Because that's one of my favorite unhealthy coping mechanisms. Is i just like just run faster. Just push there. What do more like something going while do more and especially when i was in my eating disorder. Something wasn't going. Well eat less lose weight as a that would like just fix everything so i tried to slow down for a second. Take a break just even a moment in time and just evaluate. It's always eilly. Try to find the root cause. Because that's obviously how you get to it but a lot of meditation and a lot of leaning on others When they have the emotional capacity to be there for me. I had trouble sharing with people a lot. When steph was really bad. Because i just assumed that i was just all knowing and i knew that i just always had the feeling that they didn't have the capacity to handle. It's yeah and as dr said like to to burn them or to be a burden. That wasn't something that i wanted. I always had pride and being self sufficient so you know the group of people. I have around me now. There's always the warning greeting of like. Hey how are you but they always take an extra second to be like now are you or they notice that behavior like a couple of weeks ago. I just had a series of warnings where it was super late and i showed up to the ring unprepared Like just kind of sloppy and instead of me a lecture on time management and just showing up on the ice prepare. You know. They took a second to say. Hey is everything okay. Is there something going on in your life. That's causing this so communicating with others has been one of my biggest things. 'cause my instinct is to close the doors and just power through so resisting matt as well as Turns out i do love meditation. That was one of those lame like things on pen. Trask you know they're like i meditate within minutes but it actually is really really useful of especially for someone like me who just wants to do more and just wants to go fast and be present and just attack everything all the time so forcing myself to slow down and check in has been very very great tool so so important we are. We're running out of time but really quickly malia. I would love to hear if you have a toolbox. Something that you've learned. Yeah i think just being able to be open with others and like yeah what grace said be able to be communicative one. I'm not doing okay. right at the beginning of the pandemic. You're in boston. Where i live with my sister. My sister had actually gone home to wisconsin with our parents. And i was alone here. And just realizing like yeah. I'm really not okay right now. Like i can't do this on on our starting to spiral. And so. I flew back to wisconsin so that i could be with my family so i could be with my sister because she's someone that is really there for me and kind of holds me accountable to be mentally healthy The yeah just realizing that's how it was when i went and eating disorder treatment. You only get with the support of other people i think a lot of mental disorders kind of ride in isolation. And so for me. It's always been okay. I i need the strength of others to help me help me get through this. What a great and powerful message from all three of you and you're doing that right now not just with the people around you and your own teams in communities and families but everybody watching and everybody who. Here's what you guys. Share are getting the power of that communication of that connection of pulling them out in into talking about it and getting help. Thank you so much for being here. We can talk so much longer. You have such great insights. But i appreciate the time. Thank you so much. Thank you thank you. That's what she said. It's time once again for south bitch sessions where rant about something that bothers me and fix it this week. Nothing i'm gonna take this week off from complaining. i'm gonna complain less. I'm going to be thankful more. And after the stresses of last week and the relief of saturday's announcement. I'm just gonna let myself enjoy a feeling of hope and a dream of potentially better times ahead one day. I am definitely gonna snap but it's not going to be day this week. I got meditation dog snuggles. I got ted lasso. I've got some long walks in some unseasonably warm november weather and it's going to bring down the blood pressure from last week. So i hope you guys find some peace to i promise you. I will get back to complaining next week. In fact it's going to be a real struggle for me to spend the next six days trying not to complain. But i'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. They're fixed it. If you've got a dilemma. For the commission to fix tweeted to me at sarahspain or go to the i tunes or podcast app subscribe rate review. That's what she said was sarahspain stars all the kind words. Put your dilemma in your review. And maybe i'll fixed on a future. Podcast thanks as always for lasting about an hour. Well that's what she said.

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Hour 1: Barrett Sallee

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Hour 1: Barrett Sallee

"Pride passion than patron tree of college. Football leaves here is the paul finebaum. Show our one. Podcast say hello to you and great to have you on board as we begin to head toward the second half of may and everyone knows what's happening. Hey by the way. I know counting down a little bit more than three months before the beginning of the twenty one college football season. But did you realize that yesterday ended the twenty season. I know it seems like a long football season but in case you missed it. This is how it looked when it finally came to an end goal. Twenty one seconds left. Throw fires over the mental. Sam houston with sixteen seconds to not pitch donkey. You gotta run it up. Y'all got to go. He's tackled sam. Houston wins little week comes from behind to win the title. The bearcats back up championship. And that's the way it looked in by the way Now that it's all over. How about this thirty eight undefeated teams. Did you know that. Thirty eight undefeated teams all the divisions now some alabama played. Well how many how. Many games alabama play They played almost fifteen but some only played one. So that stat is a little bit. Deceiving greater will be your final jeopardy question one of these days. Meanwhile have you heard have you heard about. This is really a bizarre story. And we're all lou lulled or lured into thinking about people trying out for professional football team but there's a young man who got pulled a bit of a hoax x. austin p. governors ontario bryant fell victim to a tryout hoax. He got a taxed he bought it and it didn't work out now. I don't know about you. But shouldn't the falcons at least give him a shot now since their name was used and he he fell for what. What's the harm. That seems like a lot of people are getting tryouts. These days in the nfl. Speaking of remember kelvin benjamin. He's at former florida player. Who won his team in florida national championship. The last second rose bowl catch from jamie. Jameis winston churchill. We're tell me if you've heard this story before he's now getting try out to play tight in. Has he ever played the position. No but he was all american wide receiver at issue and he was a high draft choice. Couple years ago the carolina panthers the panthers. Gm is now the gm obviously obviously with the new york giants. So dave gettleman. So we've been talking about. Projected wins for the season. Remember couple of weeks ago somebody was on here was a bill conley or i can't remember who it was seth walder. What are these guys that had mississippi state when he eight games well not according to this. That was the fps. The fcs was what we talked about administer. This is what the way. It looks bam undefeated. George eleven one am lsu to florida nine and three on this eight and four. That's pretty good auburn. Seven five kentucky. Seven five tennessee gets a winning record. Here we've been talking about that making a bowl game missouri. A little bit less than some of the experts have predicted arkansas five and seven mississippi state. Four eight south carolina four eight and ability to and tim. Well that's a lot to digest there. I frankly think missouri was done a disservice by that projection. But we'll talk about that with you as we work our way to phone calls here at eight five five two four two seven two eight five word about the guest list barrett slowly. We'll get his thoughts casey keeler. He's a national championship. Winning coach pat forty covers covered horse racing over the weekend. He covers college football. He will join us. Michael collins yes. There is another major this week in golf. It seemed like there was just a few weeks ago. They moved from augusta down the road tequila or the pga championship begins on thursday. So let's get to the calls. The phone number's eight five. Five two four two seven two eight five a lot to do today and we will start with matt in san antonio texas matt. What are you up to my friend now. I wanted to tell you play news love to hear it again into a reading program policy can help me go back to school and when a start in it pretty soon near but out. Sorry after one eight did. I don't agree with that record's a better record and we usually h it into record by doing and agree with that record policy saying well let me let me address the reading. I we had a. I don't know if you have had a chance to visit with him. You have a good friend of ours. Mitch colleges from south carolina the other day. He said he was working on helping you with that as well. I don't know if you were able to catch up but look at that. He held me big time. Fantastic just wanna make sure you guys got connected record. That is good news When when will you start this matt. I was started on a moved back to paul. Sounds good to me and I want to thank you for being really good for me. Paul you've been one of my best friends have for a long time. I wanna thank you to show. It's always being like family to me. Paul and i will never ever be tony grateful and i never ever be an added. Show but years paul. That means a lot to us. The most important thing is for you to get back to school. Get an education and we will talk to you very very soon. Let's check in with mike who is in arkansas. Hey mike mike we are doing great. Thank you just calling about the razorback baseball team. That's still number one. I saw that. Yeah considering Difficult series over the weekend but it looks like they're going to be able to hold onto that. Tennessee had to hit a three run. Walk off to keep from getting swept. Yeah i saw that. That was quite an. I know that you probably didn't think it was exciting. But i thought it was pretty dramatic moment. there were. There are a lot of dramatic moments over the weekend about kevin cop. I think he's got to be the front runner for i don't know what the orders but for. Mvp of all college baseball's. I would agree with you on that. And i think we're going to talk to coach van horn little bit later in the week. We'll ask him what he thinks as well. Mark is next up and mississippi. Hey mark hey how you doing mark. We are doing great. Thank you for asking good. We'll do. I was wondering about the mississippi state prediction. Four eight was a or coming from you know. I think it's absurd. I think looking at mississippi state schedule. I mean i think they can win. Seven games maybe eight but that is i really don't know i mean. Remember something about predictions. The one we had always ago was a computer driven. This is a human driven. I mean i see four wins I mean louisiana tech. nc state Vanderbilt right probably or maybe kentucky at home tennessee state memphis memphis is up. I i think that's a really poor. Prediction yeah my nephew actually plays linebacker limits. It'd be a senior this year. I've just really mowed my mind. I'll be frank that low. Well tell you what we're going to do. We're going to talk to a man in a minute. Who understands just stuff better than we do. We're just we're just fans this guy's an expert bear it slowly from. Cbs will join us in a few minutes. We'll get his take on the upcoming college football season. Plus more of your phone calls here. It eight five five two four two seven two eight five. You're listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast do own or rent your home. Sure you and. I bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com denna quote and see how much you could save. Its geico easy. Visit geico dot com today. That's geico dot com. Seventy nine percent of ceos are concerned about the availability of key digital skills but only eighteen percent are making progress with upskilling. Their workforce introducing pro edge appeal. Uc the revolutionary way to upskill your people and prepare your organization for tomorrow. Focus on upskilling initiatives that can teach the digital skills needed to grow the business and increase productivity visit pro edged p w c dot com slash. Podcast learn about upskilling. Citizen led innovation and the workforce of the future. And we welcome all of you back. It's great to have you here on a monday afternoon. And we are excited to get started with barrett salih. It's always fun to hear barrett's Comments so we just saw yet another projection for the season. It was unlike Many of the previous ones. But what differences make. Hey barrett i mean this is. This is the season for everybody's opinion on the upcoming college football so he was. Yeah i talk talking season. Right will compare that to this time last year when we were still wondering if there was going to be a season so hey you know what if people get mad at you or me or anybody else for our predictions right now. That's welcomed because it's a whole lot better than it used to be. Yeah and speaking of that. I mean is there a remaining question a off the field and what i mean by that. Is you know the whole kovic situation. I mean that that train has gone. Isn't it yeah. I mean you've already heard a lot of athletic director. Say that they're gonna open up sporting events to one hundred per spots college football stadiums. Do one hundred percents other stadiums. One hundred percent this spring My braves have opened up to a hundred percent so yeah. I don't think there's any doubt that there will be It'll be as as normal as advertised And there'll be some permanent changes like the expansion of the You know the team area on the sidelines. And things like that. But i would imagine. There's no doubt that this will be as normal as normal. Get the money and talking about a new normal. I think it's going to be A lot like two thousand nineteen and thankfully because you know we need to get back to doing things like we normally do and i had. Somebody stopped me yesterday and man. This is gonna be a crazy college. Football season like any college. Football season isn't crazy. But i am curious though if someone Who watch this last year. And we're we were all pretty disappointed in terms of what we couldn't do. But how insane d think this one will be considering how long it's been for a lot of people to really have gotten out and do things if they like to do meaning acting crazy out. A sporting event. Yeah i mean you look at how passionate at the fans what college football fans are. In general it is going to be raucous. It's going to be it's going to be lively and look fog in a braves fan. I have season tickets. And i've been to games there this year. At thirty three percent. Fifty percent and one hundred percent capacity and every single one of them. The passion felt like a playoff game even for on monday and regular season game. It felt like a playoff game. And the reason is i believe that fans are not going to take being at a live sporting event for granted. Anymore you're gonna enjoy you're going to cheer for your team you're going to soak it all in And and know that you know what this can be taken away from you Really really quickly. So i i think that yes Wild crazy hectic passionate this will be. I think The most insane raucous passionate college football scene. We've seen in a long time so on that team. And i know this is an all encompassing question with you can answer it a million different ways but what. What are you looking forward to the most this college football season talking to players face to face of although the way things have gone this year that that might not be the way things operate. Because we've we've become pretty pretty good at zoom No i'm looking for just cleaner footba. Honestly you go back and watch some of the game vs and it just it would be steps of alabama. It just feel there was so much sloppiness and to me. I attribute that to just the changes in practice the changes in contact all that stuff. It just felt like it was real football. Obviously but it just felt like it was it was way sloppier the normal and and to me that it kind of took away from the product majority of the product is taken away because there were no fans i get that but it just felt like it. Wasn't those the college football that we've grown accustomed to seeing and and i do attribute that to the fact that you know look we the practice changes were. Were obvious the rules. Were in play. But i think also you know it took coaches and and a lot of different teams different. You know a lot of time to figure out exactly how to operate and try to put together a team and a product. That's as close to normal as you can possibly get barrett's only was a bear. Let me go off the field for just a second The next six to eight weeks are going. Be very busy in intercollegiate athletics. And we're almost sick and tired of talking about these things but they are fairly important. Let's start with the college football playoff expansion you you. You are plugged in all across the college football map. A we're way. Do you think we're going here and how soon. Yeah i think it's going to expand I know george volchkov on thursday and it's press conference. The pac twelve said that it was going to be this june when it was good. Now i'm sure The college football playoff folks really appreciated that But i think it's gonna expanded. I think there are You know it's they mentioned sixty three options in reality. I think there's probably only one or two are realistic. It's probably going to happen. I think we've seen Programs schedule as if it is going to happen beyond the twenty twenty five season And so i would imagine it in eighteen playoff with five automatic. This one group of five and then to at large is And again you. And i have talked about this. I can't stand that. I am one hundred percent four. Would we have right now. But i will say this. I ve softened my stance a little bit on that as long as we eliminate divisions you eliminate divisions like the big twelve. Didn't like the. adp did last year. It makes any postseason format tolerable. It makes this current fourteen playoff great because championship weekend would be unbelievable. The expand it okay. Then you're still going to get really good team. So i think it's going to happen. I hope i hope it doesn't but if it does. I think it has to come with the elimination of division throughout the entire fps landscape. What's let's let's talk just sec. For a second. Because i mean we've all heard the defense of the divisions and sometimes there are interesting conference races although not many times lately how would stripping away the divisions affect the season. I think you would have a much more lively debate and race for both of the Spot in the conference championship game. It would prevent Just one one team based on geography from getting in even if it's the fourth or fifth best team in the conference in reality And it would put more integrity and and place more importance on conference championship teams in general. They're not going away. I know a lot of folks easy if you just take away the conference championship game. The conference isn't gonna do that. So make it better And i think eradicating divisions. I mean look at you and i were both at sec. Championship games from two thousand fourteen through two thousand sixteen missouri. Florida and florida. None of teams deserve to have even a remote shot at an sec championship. So you know. I think it would be beneficial to the sport. I think we've seen in the big twelve. You know a bunch of different options and alternatives and scenarios develop late in the season. Where you know you don't know until the final weekend exactly who's gonna play in that game whereas you know in the sec due in part to intercon or out of conference games that are in interstate. Rivalries the sec. East is done at at at halloween. Like almost every single year or shortly thereafter. That's that's dumb and the re to fix it is to take away divisions and and let this thing play out before you go and ask you about the biggest story of last week and it may still be the biggest story of this week depending on when when it occurs but not so much the decision to sign tim tebow by urban meyer. But the absolute national hullabaloo and it's almost. The debate has gone beyond anything on the field. It's almost like watching the presidential election all over again. What do you think yeah really. I don't know why. Tim tebow became divisive You know he's failed as a quarterback billed as a quarterback. Whatever he's still playoff i think. That's pretty darn sweet Die yeah it's he's polarizing there. I again i don't understand it i don't get it. I liked in tiba. Wipe wished you'd all be tim deebo. He's a very inspiring person But yeah i mean he's divisive. And i think a lot's been made of it look. He's if he gets if he gets on that roster. It's gonna be warranted the nfl urban meyer is not going to just put some random to pantley tied in on the roster and he's not going to put ten people on the roster eyesight in if he can't play those roster spots are way too valuable. So i think there is a hall of louis. Unnecessary serious urban. Meyer wants to give is boy a crack at it. Sure why not. I don't do the issue that yes other players might not receive that same treatment other players don't have the kind of relationship with urban meyer and that's fine. That's okay so yeah. I think it was It was a little ridiculous but Most aircraft controversies involving gmt. Though are pretty ridiculous fair and very accurate Barrett thank you appreciate it barrett silly joining us and we will get right back to your phone calls at eight five five two four two seven. Two eight five. Yeah i mean the end by the way he has not been officially announced yet or urban. Meyer said over the weekend that he will visit with his coaches yesterday and should have something to say this week. We have not heard anything yet. We expect an announcement and until then it is just rampant speculation. Your phone calls are next. You're listening to the paul. Finebaum show podcast. Wnba is on its way back playing basketball in a pandemic looks like this. No mask no six feet apart to put yourself in harm's way. It was scary decision. We are dedicating this season. To ron taylor the unity that we were able to experience with something that we won't forget and we can lean on as we move forward. I do it all over again because bigger than me to figure then my teammates. Espn films presents. One forty four presented by honda now streaming on. Espn plus. we welcome you back. It's great to have all of you here on a monday afternoon. One guest down many more to come your phone calls continue here at eight five five two four two seven two eight five. Let's check out. Phil who is trying to find the cursor on a computer fill is in nashville. Get after him. Hey paul good afternoon buddy. Hope you had a nice weekend was great. Thank you Followed him. I like to. You may not know disc. I'm just curious. I'm a. I'm a big tam. T. bo fan. I've calling several times. And i've told you i like him. I think he's a great person if he doesn't make the jacksonville jaguars do you think he will. Come back on the sec. Network on saturday mornings. Because i i really think feel. I hope so. I don't know what his plans are. I in fact. I have tech. I with just this afternoon a couple of times and i. I'm not gonna ask them that because that would insinuate that i don't think he's gonna make it but I did the last time. Let me put it that way. In two thousand fifteen when when he tried out with the eagles and made the last cut and then did not make the the regular season roster. He came back so i assume he would. But you know. I don't know for sure but let's let's let's hope he does indeed happens. I know you got a lot irons in the fire. Right now with the sec network and a spn. I do miss you. And laura at ragu and tim on saturday morning. Well i tell you. I was talking to marcus the other day about. I mean we Marcus and i and tim were. We're on the very first show and in two thousand fourteen and we were together a long time and i. it's i get other band. Everybody everybody heads off to do their solo career and then you hope to get them back for the reunion tour but i. I really don't know what it's going to look like this fall. Paul thank you for taking my call and hope very much and thanks for the call. Appreciate it yeah. I think tim's would really interesting spot right now. And he's he's one of those crossroads in his career where you know. I'm i'm i applaud him for this and i told him that Earlier and i like a lot of you i. I sincerely hope he makes it. And and i think he's got a reasonably good shot and there's a lot of bad Comments out there. That's fine when you're when you're one of the best known sports celebrities in the world. You are going to find yourself criticize. And that's where. Tim is right now and people have been waiting a long time to take shots back at him. I wish i wish people would just base it on what he's doing on the football field and not everything else but that's not going to happen and society. Let's get back to the calls and talk to cohen. Who is up next. Hey colin afternoon paul. This is the second time that i've got hurt. Well thanks colin great to have you on I would just be wanting to make a point about tabo. I've seen a couple years ago with the with the steelers. Get down to their thirty four string quarterback but you seem to happen with With the forty niners when modeling had to play Of saying that you know the kentucky when when lyndon bound had to play and everybody keeps making the point like you know making a roster spot for a third down. Tidying thank you. Could i mean an emergency quarterback should add some value colin. Think about think about this. Let's let's talk about the different things at tim. Tebow can do on a football field. He can be on special teams. And i guarantee you he would be the hardest working special teams guy on the jaguars he can play tight end. We think He he can. He can run the football. So you can you. Can you can line him in any any variation he he can run the wildcat. So you're and then he can play quarterback. I was thinking that you gotta make my point about the the short yardage you know. In in his college career he might have been the best start in one fourth and moines option this. Football's ever saying you know so. Thank you add value in other areas. I mean i'm i grew up a die hard alabama. You know. I run into in the last couple days. Run into a former. Nfl player and a current nfl player. And i naturally being inquisitive ask them both about tibo and got varying a reports of but yeah everybody sees it through their own prism and what you have to see. His urban meyer's prism. He's he's the one that i want. I want to give too much credit but urban didn't have to do this. I mean he could've simply said tim. You know let's let's have a private workout. And i'll give you an evaluation like And obviously he saw something he liked and great mcelroy. I i did. I did read that yesterday. Yes that struck me because he would bear went through a team with tibo. They were trying so that kind of opened my eyes a little bit too coming. I mean that that's a good source that you mccollum remember. Remember something i. I was not on that team. Mcelroy was but you know. That was a long time ago. And i'm not saying that I don't know what you know. His condition was then versus now. But at that point. In time tim tebow wanted to be a quarterback. He didn't want to be a tight end now. He understands the reality. And i also think the game has changed since two thousand and eleven or twelve. Two thousand four really. That was really the point. I was making you know like you said there's many different things you can do. And we've sane dime. I mean i'm sure the forty niners or the statler would love to have tibo when they were playing marland. Yeah i i'm sure they would have loved to have team that well. We'll find my in college is is everybody. Actually you know the the these roster spots are so valuable. I mean we're talking about fifty three players. Okay i promise you if you're versatile and you can do for five things including being an emergency quarterback you at you're a lot more valuable than the third string tight end. Who can't do anything else that you made my point for me. I i appreciate it just want. Thank you gotta say todd. Great to hear from you. Thank you very much you got it. Let's talk to Just lost apologize. I'll tell you what we'll do. Go to a bright. I figure out how to how to run a computer and we will come back with more of your phone calls at eight five five two four to seven two eight five. You're listening to the paul finebaum show. Podcast is playing. Tom and tom to lock in the final playoff. Spots gives teams something to play for. Defend your position and haymakers take charter and upset the anything can in a given night and begin your run. Only the strong survive make history performances. It's not done yet win to get into town it's nba on espn state. Farm play in wednesday on. Espn could be back here on a monday. And allies up next Get afternoon hey good afternoon. Now april either I don't quite understand why people are talking about tibo so much. The guy is great. Ashby proves that and also Just because he failed earlier on doesn't mean he can't make it as tight end. He's certainly big enough and also why people weren't with him and talk bad about him. This is a good clean cut christian muslim and he's chance they would fight. He's not controversial at all. I'll the answer for why people shouldn't be criticising him. Maybe the reason why some of them are because he does stand for a lot of things that are right and there's a level of Pettiness out there and jealousy. I've seen it with him from a lot of people and i'm going to say anymore. Because everyone can see see with their own eyes. Whatever they choose to see but he he. He can't help it that everywhere. He goes people clamor to see him. He can't help it. Or whatever team. He has played for It disrupts the locker room to a small degree because he is better known in like by the fans and everyone else. These are just things that that are fact factual and everything else as you say is is is difficult. If you admire. Tim which the two of us obviously do. It makes it more difficult to understand why we see such denim out there directed toward him. Well i'm glad to see you say that the fan won't talk about the college football playoff. Sure i've not heard this proposed at all and but why couldn't they have three teams of the top three teams. That ought not be too difficult. And then leave number four vikings and then you've got five six seven and eight. Let them play each other. Like five against eight and six seven and then play one more game and then they will feel the number four spot and this would be marginal teams as far as top at best. I think but i still think he could have some good football at way. Good point hey al. Thank you for sharing that. Steve is up next in ohio. Hello steve good afternoon. They're just not bart is calling next in nebraska barr. Thank you good afternoon halo. Paul i get a kick out. I love your articles you read. I am. I actually am from iowa. And i have a question about frost and in particular for one. How do you think he's still has a job. I i think last year. Kobe gave my life life. I personally think she got fired up the minnesota game. When i think have a minnesota's team was out with cove and they still got trouser. I mean i get these crazy fans. Everybody in my life looks like for some reason. I was asked a question on the program earlier today and i i mean. If he doesn't have a winning season he should be fired and it doesn't matter nothing else matters. I don't care. We all know where he played. We all know where he quarterback. We all know he wanted to championship. And we all know what he used to do in before he got there but his his performance so far has been an absolute disaster. Had he been a ceo fortune five hundred company. He would have already been shown the door. No doubt that your call calling before this. The only thing i hear the arguments for expanding the college playoff at first i thought so. Let's be honest thursday. Not eight teams good enough to win. Every i mean the last two years. it's been alabama. That may were clearly light us ahead of the competition. I mean how he played out the annotating last. No you know you're right If we could we could have thrown twenty-five contenders against alabama. And they'd still be. They'd still be trying to win a game. Thank you so much for your call. Robert in athens georgia is up next. Hey robert we are doing. Great robert thank you. Yes i wanted to talk about this a little bit about the ten t-bills saying think lot here a lot of people saying why do they people keep criticizing tim tebow of the topic. Espn keep bringing the top of probably go. Soeda eldest have to respond and give their opinions on it. So i don't know why people get mad with with the people only spn because that's the topic For a lot of great christian guys out. Here just as faithful as tim tebow. Is it just not as polarized disease. They but they're not going to get a chance like here. So that's why some people have. I think we lost your call but you are right about that. Shocking to this former. Nfl player the other day. He said that he he's listening. I'm i've always preached my my faith and i always will but i think i think we we don't recognize that there are other people in the nfl because a lot of lot of lot of players in the nfl get in trouble and it tends to sully the reputation. But i think. I think what you said a minute ago is where i hear. A lot of the angst in comes down to opportunity. Is he getting an opportunity that the rest of the participants aren't and you could argue that. His relationship with urban meyer is helping him but you could also argue that that is part of life. How many of us know someone or with even with our own self Have have gotten a leg up on somebody else because we knew somebody Or had some built in advantages. That's part of life. Now you can get a job because you know somebody that's not going to necessarily mean you keep that job and i think we're we are losing a little bit of side of that. We're also losing sight of the fact that he still has not signed a contract with the jacksonville jaguars. We don't know. I think until urban meyer's stand up there and says this is what we expect from tim. Tebow and this is what we are looking for. We really understand. Exactly what's this is about. Thanks for the call. We do appreciate it and Let's talk to charles. Who is in arkansas. Hey charles thank you very much okay. Oh damn big go. Round and mark their come up through the ranks and I was thinking about that. Both to have a winning season championship needed baller. Tim tebow examples in the heck with everybody else's and by georgia man great athlete and its leader. You the buffalo. But he's a better leader than is a follower. I think if he'll ever championship season if it. If it's coach or mars just praying the quarterback. I charles. That's the one thing that you can't really quantify always. We can always say well. He runs a four seven or four eight and he does this but arben meyer knows because he has been with him. How tim tebow can affect young people now. We're not talking about young people anymore. Well in some cases we are but professional. Football is different than college. Football and i think that remains to be seen but ultimately he's the head coach If and and i'm a big believer you as a head coach. You ought to be able to do whatever you want to do. That's why they hired you right. But the mall. And i've watched him and i i if i were young man. Kobe up as a quarterback younger than him. I redid flagging well. We'll charles i can tell you this I have had the the opportunity to be with tim. Tebow and countless young quarterbacks i mean. I'm talking about the the best quarterbacks in the sec week after week it doesn't matter who they are. Whether it's jake. Frahm kyle trask or or kellyn monde or it doesn't matter where ever would whenever i've been to a college campus with tim tebow and i've been to dozens of dozens. The quarterback is usually on that bus on friday. Wanting to meet with tim or tim has gone over to meet with him with a quarterback and have lunch. It happens every single week. When when tim is out on the road. That's how much young people think of tim. We'll be back mortar to right after this. Thank you for listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast the paul finebaum. Show airs weekdays on the sec network beginning at three eastern. This is adrian morton hausky check out my podcast. The world with insight and on the top stories in the nba adrian forging hausky are insider extraordinary reaction to the breaking news. This is the latest rose bomb in conversations with some of the biggest names in the league. Thanks stewart again. I'm good thanks for having me. Yes thank you always appreciate you. Having me listening. 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"Football Team"

"You want it, you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now, here's Kevin you're listening to the sports, fix a sports fix Tuesday Tommy from beautiful aerobic beach. That's where he is not his normal fortress of solitude in rural Frederick Maryland. But he's down at the beach again he's got more vacation this summer than I have I'm here in studio and beautiful. Bethesda Maryland we are Tommy Labor Day plus one which for sports means the beginning of high season for most cities and towns and fortress of solitude in this. Country I mean you know how this goes it'll be Halloween before we know it Thanksgiving in a flash in not before too long. It'll be chestnuts roasting on an open fire with Jack Frost nipping at your nose it always go so quickly. But then again I wonder how long it will go I mean that's the big question as the NFL season starts on Thursday night, and then we get got a full slate of games on Sunday I. Love this time of year, but it's not a normal year. How are you this morning? I'm doing great down at the beach. Are you kidding me I? Mean we're probably coming back again at a couple of week why wouldn't you especially when it empties out, right? Yeah. I mean, we've been very careful now the piece actually. I'll I oversee stay with yesterday we got here late Sunday afternoon went to the green turtle sat outside on the upper deck at some drinks and some lunch, and then walk the Boardwalk Boardwalk requires math which I'm fine with. I would wore masks on the boardwalk anyway because it was pretty crowded the beach on on Sunday was was wall to wall people. We didn't go down there to beach on Sunday or Monday. actually were saying at a place that has a nice pool. and Sun Deck. So we went for a walk yesterday and then Hung out with the pool. and today we're probably GONNA head for the beach 'cause it's a lot of here today. Yeah. I remember when the kids were really young before they were in school and we would We would do the beach in mid to late September and it was just so pleasant to be down there time here without all the crowds even if some places had started to close up for the winter, not everything was fully opened especially when you got in October but I love the beach when there aren't people there it's just so peaceful and you know the Delo the beaches are very funny in terms of the way people view. Them, it's. It's you know it's a very territorial thing. I think with what your favorite beach places if you grew up going to the beach and or you know if that was a summer vacation for you, I grew up going to the beaches of Delaware you know actually when I was much younger ocean city and then Bethany was where we went every summer, my wife however grew up on the Jersey shore during the summers in Beautiful Spring Lake. New Jersey which is spectacular north of where you typically vacation in in wildwood. I P people get very It's what? I think it's what your preferences based on your preferences based on what you grew up with and it can be my wife really never took to the Delaware beaches. Now I do love the New Jersey beaches especially where she was and her family was I love that place I think the Jersey shores. Awesome. But I do think that a lot of people are very are very adamant about what's the best place I know a lot of people that just prefer the Carolina and the Virginia beaches on the East Coast. But you're you're right about tradition. Yes. Different has a lot to do with it and for us we go to Wildwood my wife's family. They've been going to Wildwood for over one hundred years. Her father. As a little boy. We'd go wild with with his family. We took our kids. To wildwood when they were growing up, and now that generation has little babies that they're bringing with them to wildwoods. So it's it's hungry era tradition for and the piece why would like I've told you before and I don't think I really do it justice You have no idea how why the beaches while I mean it. It's gotta be three city blocks. From from the beginning of the beach for the water I mean so so it it was easy to social justice. You know rehoboth has a small beach, right? The the Delaware beaches are much tighter. The Jersey beaches I've been to Wildwood, but you know up in Spring Lake and Avalon, and Belmar that area which is where my laws, all our my brother-in-law lives up there as well. My father-in-law's well, those speeches are huge huge. And we've grown to like rehoboth a lot over the years. Robots is we really enjoy it come down and you know what was interesting I saw the plaque. Down, alley, on one street that says, this is where radio personality Kevin Sheehan. Pete all over to wall allowed up getting arrested. You remember that story very good. Usually only remember your own stories. Yes I was arrested at eighteen years old for. Urinating in public right below the rehoboth boardwalk with my good friends, Robin Ted and we were Let's just say we were impacted by alcohol that particular night and we could not find a bathroom. So we went right down below the boardwalk in and relieved ourselves I remember Tommy and it's so true like I mean I've I've been arrested once and that was it. I I don't think reckless driving which I've gotten a couple times. I don't think that that's actually an arrest but all we heard was police freeze and we. And we did the opposite we took off running. And we sprinted down the boardwalk in rehoboth and we were being chased in them. We took it. You know we took a write down one of those streets and I swear to you three cop cars pulled up. You know lights flashing sirens going they jump out and they tackled us and we ended up in the pack of police cars and into in a judge's courtroom at about one thirty in the morning. And we call the friend of ours Andy. And impede pete managers till they were living together. They were lifeguards in Bethany. They were two of my best friends and we called them to come down and get us, and of course, they came down and they were just as hammered as we were when. The courtroom. and. So the judge nearly found all of us in contempt and was threatening to make spend the night there but. But my good friends they. They wrote a check which is all really the rehoboth police department, wanted they wanted they wanted a big old check for the for the baseball team's uniforms for the upcoming season. And for the summer season and and we we rolled however I. we worked holding a remember this and I could have this wrong. I mean that's a long time ago. But that public urination was a sex crime. And because of that. Anybody, any person that was sexually harassed raped or anything else that are mugshots would be on the list of mugshots that they would look at until we were twenty one years old I don't know if that's true. I don't I can't remember. Really the details of that but I think one of my friends basically told told me for several years that was true I don't know if that is not who knows. But yeah, we got we those were the those were the nineteen eighties Shenanigans Tommy you know. got a plaque down here with your name on it. Yeah fortunately, they don't That is the truth though about beach memories and traditions. You know when you're young and you're going to on beach vacations with families and you're a member of the beach and you remember the boardwalk in your member, the parks, and you remember the food you know all of that stuff. Now for me, you say. one thing What's interesting and you're aware of this in Maryland and I'm guessing D, C, they say you're going down the ocean. In in New Jersey, you're going to. Go to the shore. Yeah. No one says. Right for. You go into account a short right but in Maryland I know in particular say we're going to the ocean yeah. When you're at the beach, what are you doing? I'M GONNA go down to the ocean yes that's true and in in Jersey it's one hundred percent it's going down to the shore. I think. All the more is going down to the shore on. I'm pretty sure that it might be a DC I. it's a DC thing on the ocean. Yeah but you know when I was a kid growing up in Brooklyn we had to be right there coney island sure was a couple of bus stops away. So my memories of the beach are being in Coney Island Rockaway Beach, Reece, park, all the beaches in Brooklyn there and when we went on vacation, we went to the mountains we might to the POCONOS. Vacation that's why we wound up moving there. 'cause we went there on vacation every year. So the beach with a normal way of life for me. and you know growing up in Brooklyn and a vacation was the mountain. Yeah I. My my preference for vacation like I'm talking about relaxing vacation is definitely the beach more than the mountains and we we've I would agree and we've done and I know people that prefer like around here as an example to go to Deep Creek Lake, you know on which is two and a half hours away and it's beautiful and my brother-in-law and sister-in-law had a house there for many years that we used all the time and it was great. And you know when you have boys like I did and and like you did you, you do three boys when they were young. The truth of the matter is there was more for them to do when we went to the lake. When you know went in, there was boating in there was fishing in there was four wheeling in in all of that and that was more fun for them less relaxing for us whereas the beach I I've always preferred is. At some point Tommy I would love to be down at the beach. For a significant portion of the year because look what we do really we could do from anywhere now. I mean well, you're right and this is look this is the plan for us. You know given that maybe next. September. Things go back to normal. We're planning on spending the whole month of September Wildwood New Jersey Nice. I mean, there are some condos there that we've rented before. That are reasonably priced probably, very reasonable in September like two blocks from the beach, and if it was if it was co Kovic free, that's where we'd be the whole month this year. So I. have extended stays at the beach. Well. Yes we tend we're rich. You're at your age you should start to you know you should start enjoying the sunset of your time I I sense. I wanted to start with this because I I didn't see this until I was on the show this morning and I saw it on the show and it really actually angered me a little bit and I don't know angered the right word but I I I I found it to be. Disrespectful to the. To. Washington's football team Albert breer who is a big time NFL reporter for the NFL network NFL DOT com. It's Cetera right that's who Albert brewers with. Yeah he does. He does the Monday morning quarterback. That's right. Well, right exactly. So he tweeted out yesterday in somebody sent this to me he tweeted out. Per the NFL report, the teams that head into week one with the most cap room, and then he lists the top ten teams in the amount of cap space they have available number one are the browns thirty, four, point seven, four, million, cap space number two or the Patriots number three of the jets number four, the Jaguars number five, he just writes football team. Number six, the broncos number seven lines number eight, the eagles number nine dolphins number ten, the titans. Number five football team. I'm pretty sure I know who he's referring to. But. I I really Tommy when I saw that this morning I thought it was a cheap shot. I thought it was unnecessary mocking and beneath somebody of Albert breer status as a legitimate NFL reporter, not just a blogger or a somebody who lives on social media legitimate longtime NFL reporter I don't think that football team is a serious attempt on his part to list the Washington You know football team and people I, tweeted it and I wrote this is an unnecessary mocking and it's beneath you the city the football team plays in his Washington us that it's not that hard. And some people ninety percent of the people were totally behind me because they are Washington football fans. But some people pointed out when we was using the team nickname of all the teams and in the two words that come after. Washington our football team. Kevin what Kevin What You. See what I tweeted in response to your tweet I didn't. And so low level. Well, what do you live in this world of Kevin Sheehan. You, what do you? What do you mean? Stars and planets revolve around Kevin Sheehan Kevin Florida what are you talking about? What? What how was I suppose I have I have a one hundred, twenty responses to this re. tweet might supposed to go through all of them and find. Yours. Well my mind with doing one worth reading. Well, tell me rolling it out. Actually No. They play in landover. Actually No You said you said they play in Washington Oh okay okay Tommy. landover in. So the next time somebody writes the San Francisco forty. Niners, you can write. No, they play in. Santa Clara or new. York giants you can say, no, they play east. Rutherford. What they all have name yeah. This team. Avenue that's right. It doesn't have a name. So use the city name Washington I would have preferred has landover I would prefer to use landover. Then football team I find your anger about this new thing that I I admire it in a way that you still have somewhere writing down deep sense of outrage. Yes I. DO still have a level of fried. Be Honest with you I think they could call them the Washington pieces of shit and I don't think anybody would be able to blink. If you if you went looking for your own response to my re tweet, which is probably what you did You can see that most of the responders don't agree with you at least though see. I don't even see your response here. I'm scrolling down I. Don't see. You say well, that's because, I re tweeted it with my comments on. have. To follow me I, do order do follow you but I didn't click the re tweets of this. But anyways, anyways. Serious. Be ser-served. Okay. Hold on. I'm going to answer what you just said because there's definite truth in it. Okay. But answer this for me. Don't you think he was mocking the football team. I take. He said Yeah I. Think he was. You know what? I don't even think that's a crime I. Want a misdemeanor. You know you make. He may a credit at work for mocking the Washington football team that I, if that's very fair most mocking his franchise. I'm. Not. Disputing. that. I'm not disputing that and you know four opinion-makers you know to do that. That's one thing. He's actually an NFL reporter and in established one with a very good reputation of covering the League and all I'm saying is I thought that that was a bit beneath him and I thought it was definitely an attempt to mock and you the the the the. Root causes of the mocking could be everything you just described or could be a heightened. I'm disgust with the team based on all of the sexual harassment stuff going on or it could be just an absolute bewilderment that the team could come up with a name after losing the other name before the season started which I think is completely legitimate. I. Think people who are critical of that have never been through trying to trademark or don't are secure domain it names in rights that it was best for them not to act impulsively was actually a nice change and the team I don't like Washington football team you know what I would have preferred just Washington or Washington Washington FC but if they couldn't. Protect that in the in the interim, just branding Washington, which is really what they've tried to do. You know you've seen they've tried to brand Washington rather than Washington football team, which is obviously clunky and cumbersome The somebody also sent me some some snapshots of various news organ sports websites that are publishing the NFC standings, Eagles, giants, cowboys football team. So. I mean. I mean series. Earned it all. Okay. They've heard it all from people who you know are opinion-makers you know Albert brewers are reporter. I thought that was disrespectful. And unnecessary. Oh I don't know if it was unnecessary on that to theory I wouldn't have done it and I have total contempt for. I wouldn't have even done it will you would come up with a better name I mean I just called Washington football. Yeah. Well it's As. Far As far as not having a name, you know a good organization would have been prepared for this. Well I know that I mean that's that goes without saying I'm not disputing their complete and utter ineptitude when it comes to anything. But here's what I am saying that when Spiro DVD's or or Joe Buck or calling a they probably won't get the bucket and crew this year not going to say they're not going to say a first and ten at the twenty seven football team for the football team. You know they're not going to say touchdown football team no their providence not going to happen you know. And like I said I admire that you can still find something that moves you to anger. I Su-. compressive. Well. So so somebody else brought that up to me on the show this morning and I am. Look the net of my feeling towards the full team. Is that this you know hideous owner has sucked the life out of it for me over the last twenty, one years in particular the last few the last several and I'm not nearly as passionate as I used to be but I do get defensive when I feel like others are mocking it and mocking by extension the fan base or what used to be the fan base and by extension me. Like I I don't. I don't need Albert breer to completely and utterly become descending missive towards the I understand why people can't stand them I and I'm absolutely dumbfounded at those people that will say that they're still all in if never ever had any reservations about being all in and somehow actually accused their behavior like I don't get that either I mean you really have your your the biggest mark on the planet to have been insulted for two decades plus and you're still going back to the trough with your mouth wide open your hands. Holding held out because at some point, you're actually the problem you've contributed to this fortunately enough people you know fled this embarrassment that he had to get rid of Bruce Allin finally took a while. You know it took a Hashtag Bruce Allin campaign but. But yeah. When when you know it's fine to make fun of them because we're one of them. But when people from the outside it to a level that I think is excessive. Yeah I get a little A. Little defensive and onto that buddy don't lose that. What else? What else do I have? I know. What else do we have what? Yeah. Absolutely while you are you want, you may have a good football team although nobody seems to think. So nobody seems to think. So Tommy it's nobody highest I've seen is four and twelve oaks and you know this Guy Seth Walder Walden or whatever his name is the analytic sky at ESPN for football I mean I just love these guys and he did twenty thousand simulations of the NFL season every he's got a final score for every game and I'm sure it gets a lot of clicks and a lot of people how did we do against the cowboys in week seven? But seriously, there's nothing more ridiculous Putting any stock into those things I've mentioned this many times in the past to you as well. The most difficult league sports lead to predict and it's not even close the most difficult sports league to bet, and it's not even close. Is the NFL, like your Washington football team simulated foreign twelve record on ESPN means nothing especially during a damp and DEMOC. I mean I. I. There's a lot of reasons to be. To be pessimistic, but it shouldn't be because all of the experts think that they're gonNA stink that should never be the driving force. You should evaluate yourself and understand that you really don't know either I don't know either Vegas doesn't even know when it comes to the NFL it's. So it's about all that you're right about all that the the problem is. For the past three years maybe. those experts have predicted. These kind of records. For for the Washington football team where locally people would say, how can they do that? Don't they see the talent? And they've been right. They've been proven right at least in the last two two to three years. True. So I agree with you I agree with you, I mean how anyone actually predict anything in this year of all years you know I don't think they're going to win only before games I think the minimum. Upset. You know I think they're going to be better than that. I wonder what are things that people aren't talking about? Is the switch to the four three defense and how that's going to impact them when all your strength is up front. I I am I'm I'm I have some optimism about this being a much better year than people think again like we have to have this conversation Assuming that the pandemic snacking shut down the season or you know make the season. So competitively unbalanced that you really can't make anything of it I mean assuming sixteen games with relative health and not you know you know a having every single good player in your team out for four weeks because they were infected this team is better I'm going to I'm. GonNa. Place in over wager on their five and a half win total. I'm not like expecting a lot of wins over the total. But I, think that they're going to be better coached. There's a big leap there. The leap of faith that you know Ron Rivera's first year is the coach is going to be impacted by his fight against cancer I mean I N N. If that, if that's the case, obviously he's got to do what he's gotTa do and everybody wants to be healthy. But you know from the day they hired him I'm like, wow, they they got a legitimate coach and then the staff is legitimate especially on the defensive side of the ball and then the big wild card by far and away the big wild card. Is Chase young it's not dwayne. Haskins. That's a long-term wildcard that is, are you going to have sustained success? We gotta look at the quarterback and we don't know. But in terms of a big jump forward this year from three wins to say eight winds, which in this expanded playoff format. First Season of seven teams in each conference could put them in contention after Thanksgiving. For. A playoff berth. Chase young could be the difference in that in one player if he is what Nick Bosa was to the forty niners were better. And Tommy. It's one of those things we're GONNA see on. Sunday. We're going to see that speed. We're GONNA see how difficult it is to block a guy late chase young third nine. We're going to see if the eagles believe him to be what everyone else believes him to be by how they game plan against him. If he ends up being that kind of a difference maker even if pain an Allen and I and night as and sweat aren't exactly what we think they are, which is a real talented guys. He could elevate everything and he could put them in games that they weren't in last year he could give him chances. I think I think they'll be well coached defensively for the first time. Since Greg Williams was here I mean think about that. They have not had good defensive coaching I. Don't think has looked was terrible I let me let me let me say that I don't think Greg blache was terrible either but they really haven't had a top flight defensive staff since two thousand and seven. Two thousand seven. So Chase Young's this wildcard that could make this. You know a significantly different season than last year I think that that's true. I'M GONNA to wager on over five and a half I wouldn't wager on more than eight. But if they one eight. I don't think it would shock me. I think a wage over five and a half is good I like I. said I think. If they're average offensively. or even below average to some extent I. still think their defense is is going to be really good and I think the coaching has a lot to do with it. There I mean coaching is a significant upgrade over what it's been here in the past. And I think switching to the four three defense is going to have an impact on them defensively they'll have more of their top talent out there on the field regularly and You're right about Saints Young. I. Mean just you know the two most important positions on the field or a quarterback and the guy who goes to get the quarterback. And this guy that goes to the quarterback could be a true special like game changing kind of player. You know. They haven't had someone with his upside in a long time probably since Sean? Taylor. I mean. Someone was asking me over the weekend I talked about this on the show they're like, well, you thought really highly of Montas sweat I I did and I do. But that it's not in the same category as chase young in terms of college players has sweat to me was an obvious first round pick as a college player. Mississippi. State watching him chase young is an obvious number one overall pick when you watch him like a once in every five to ten years kind of talent. they haven't had anything like that in a long time. So that is that's a major. You know what if chase young is what people think chase young. Is Well that changes your team overnight changes your team. And you only have to go back to a year ago to the forty niners team and what Nick Bosa as a massive tax. And by the way, most people think chase young's a cut above. Nick. Bosa. But to go back to that team last year to see the difference in that team with Nick boasts on it from the year before now, they had a starting quarterback last year who wasn't hurt. So it was a little bit different but to see what he did to players like Defoe Ford and Buckner and Armstead and Warner you know in what those guys who were already thought to be pretty talented Tommy and then all the sudden with the presence of a true elite player they they were elevated. And that could happen with guys like Alan and I and night as an. And Sweat and you know and Ryan Anderson. Another's it'll be up front I mean it could and so that that that's in play doesn't mean it's going to happen and I don't WanNa be the guy as you described I don't WanNa be the fan because I haven't been recently in recent years that says Oh everybody's wrong this team's much better than that I haven't necessarily fallen into that trap but I do think this year there's a good chance that they're going to be wrong on the on on certainly the five and a half I think it'll be an improved team if you you know. Taking, into consideration the the give the given equation the assumption in equation, which is you have somewhat normal NFL season, which is a big if. I agree with a lot of what she said the question that hangs over his team is the are of self-destruction. What can go wrong. Did, you see the story what could possibly go wrong. You know we were listing all of the things that were going on with the team outs off the field from the arbitration to the Beth. Wilkinson. Investigation to the smear campaign lawsuit to the. To the discoveries in motions in in Virginia and in California did you see the this story on Snyder on Friday from the post about the the debrincat's Lisa banks group that's representing some of these women including Mary Ellen Blair Essentially said that the NFL told Snyder to back off from using private investigators. Now, Snyder's attorney that guy that you described as as a heavyweight Joe Tackle Pena said that that's bullshit This this was in a in a hearing in a Virginia Court on Friday Tommy. There was a hearing there were were Snyder's attorneys are trying to compel this Mary Ellen Blair this this. Executive Assistant. To Snyder from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen, they want to get into what her ties to Duane Charen and potential smear campaign are and the court actually did um rule in favor of Snyder's motion for discovery in the case on Friday. But what got revealed at least by her attorneys is that the NFL's told Mr Snider to back off he's using private investigators to rattle the cages of the people in this smear campaign lawsuit and according to the other mary-ellen. Blair's attorneys even some of the women in this sexual harassment stuff but. Snyder's attorney said Nope it's private investigators being used for this this smear campaign stuff the the lawsuit against the India based company. What to believe. You know what's funny. I see what I tweeted out when that news came out. Of, course that because. I don't. I'm not on twitter like you are sorry. Go ahead. Okay. I tweeted out a picture of Rockford I said Hand Dan Snyder two hundred dollars a day expensive. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way with that I, two hundred dollars, he's GonNa. Go get some tacos there by down by the shore. In La and then he's going to go back in in rocky is going to be in his trailer waiting for them. Beth Beth Davenport you know his good friend. He'll need heard some point in this in his What was the Why am I blanking on me police? Detective. Dennis Dennis Becker. At that has becker, and then of course, there's a guy who would have qualified to be a front office executive producer team Angel Martin. Angel was great what a sketchy character angel was but you're right he would have fit in perfectly with Bruce Sedan. As different you know that's good. I was GONNA say as different as we are thankfully We do have a lot of the same favorite shows in Rockford files you know for me I know for you it was my favorite show when I was a kid on for you know on NBC on Friday Nights I. Loved James. Garner Point Jim Rockford. Well. I'm thinking that since we have the same cable company, you have access to the NBC streaming Channel Peacock. Okay. Okay. Well, peacock has all the rockford files episodes every single one. Long did this show tell me five six years something like that six years? Okay. Six years rant. And Peacock has them all I've been watching A. That's that's awesome. By the way I'm also watching this is just drive off the track I'm also watching many theories that you might like maybe watched it before on Amazon called Sneaky Pete. My Dad I've heard so much about that So might up your allies so many people say that that it's awesome. Yeah. For three years wearing a first season still. but it's something you would love. How did we get? That Oh, we we wish offer. Right and private is. Way Collars plus expenses. Exactly right. That's the woman who was executive assistant to Snyder for four years. I wonder if she could bake defense. Plea and plead guilty to all this but say, look. I had to work for this guy. For four years. I mean you must understand that the shit I had to eat. For Four. Years being his executive assistant. The person he probably turn to every time he was pissed off about something. I mean I wonder if that's a legitimate defensive, you can say, yeah, I did all this but come on. I'm only human being I. Don't think could work for this guy for four years. I don't think that Neil in Rockville, the the attorney of choice for this program with say that that would be a defense oh neil. Neil Neil can't be objective face it. Well you know. One other thing as long as we're in that area so obviously I don't know whether or not. It's true the. Her attorneys say that the NFL's told Snyder to back off using private investigators. His attorney says, they haven't whatever the other thing from this weekend as it relates to the owner was this Washington football culture you know one hour outside the lines on ESPN hosted by Jeremy Schaap. I mean I'll. I'll save the suspense for any of you. There's nothing new in this show nothing new. It's a comparison prize that they that ESPN went down this road I don't see the benefit of it I I'm glad you said that now I mean I guess there's some power and benefit and seeing faces and voices of the people that were quoted in the post stories. But in terms of anything truly different or new or you know moving the story further along it's it's that that didn't happen. It was basically a rip off of the to post stories except it was you know one hour television thing you know there were more you can put tone to the to the to the quotes in the post with some of the women like Eliecer Klein in Tiffany score be and some of the others that were were on the show like you know one of the things that stood out to me is just the description from tiffany Scorpion in particular about what you're told which we read about. The the paper clip thing was in there but you know, MR, Snider don't look him in the I. If he's walking down the hall, you gotTa turn and walk the other way. There is look I mean come on people I. Mean I know everybody has some experience with bad bosses and have been businesses with some out of control, Egos? but it doesn't make it right? You know treating you know people poorly, which has been a reputation that he is carried four years. You know take the sexual harassment thing put it to the side for a moment as it relates to him I mean forty plus women coming forward with claims about the organization. Personally. I'd lean that had happened I mean with forty plus women but specific to him, you can put that stuff to the side and say, he said she said but this stuff about how he treated people in the Ego is it's putting you know totally off putting Tommy I I I mean this was this was sort of the way I was raised Treat. Superstars like normal people normal people like superstars. He's not that person he treats superstars like beyond superstars and normal people as less than normal and beneath him and you know that is you know there's a massive insecurity in there. There's obviously the Napoleonic thing going on there. There's a lot at work there. That's the one thing that when you hear it described rather than just written, I would have loved the paper clips in order to be part of that you know you and and we've heard these stories over the years. We've heard these stories with that said, I, want to be clear about this. He owned Red Zebra I say own he was the majority shareholder and equity holder in a company called Red Zebra that owned the radio station that I worked for for twelve to thirteen years not once. To my knowledge was anybody at the radio station we were not employees of the team K. we weren't working in that building. but not once was anybody told you must call Mr. Snider you cannot look them in the eye when he's walking towards you you have to turn around and walk the we I never heard any of that in terms of specific to us but I we did hear the stories from the people that worked out there over the years and you know sometimes you you know. You have to witness it firsthand but I I believe that stuff to be true anyway. There was nothing nothing revealing to me in that one hour show at all. No like I said when we discussed it in the last podcast. ESPN doesn't does it usually go after NFL owners right there so In for their partners with the NFL, it's frowned upon. On the corporate side. And that has an impact on what ESPN does. And if you believe that. And you know the fact that USPS pin would broadcast this thing about Snyder without any particular. new. Information. Mace. It seemed to me like Snyder vulnerable as an NFL owner as status NFL right now. We feel empowered to do that. I hear what you're saying I actually wonder whether or not this desperate attempt and I don't even know if it's desperate, it could be just an angry attempt or just an attempt to clear his name with all of the stuff about Dwight Shar. In the smear campaign that led up to the first post story, which now you know has gone public obviously over the last three weeks to a month. Now we've been talking about the the smear campaign against him the lawsuit against the India company to filings for the motions for discovery in two different courts I wonder if this is him desperate to say I had my own minority owners coming after me. I mean what? What is going on you know to to I don't know he's it's a digging his heels in situation right now but it also could be an indication that he really feels threatened for the first time. Yeah but I think the threat are more are. 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That's get Roman dot com slash Kevin DC GET ROMAN DOT com slash Kevin. DC. One last thing, Tommy Washington football team, a related they cut down to fifty three on Saturday and I just wanted to give you know thirty seconds of thoughts on the final roster. I think the big surprises of the summer were you know in the way they played out last week Adrian Peterson being released he got picked up by Detroit by the way Alex Smith making the fifty three man roster, which we'll get to here. In a moment and troy APP key beating out Sean Davis to the point where Sean Davis who got signed with two million dollars guaranteed money got released by the team. He got picked up immediately by the steelers on his former team but you know the other than that I think you know there weren't a lot of surprises I. think it's GonNa be interesting to see who is the significant contributing group moment when they start to play games. I think we have an idea of that all all of their draft choices made the team they all made the final roster, all every single draft choice for the for them chase young Antonio, Gibson, CDC Charles Antonio Gandhi golden keep this Schmil Khaliq cuts in Cameron Curl, who made it as a safety at Arkansas when they released Sean. Davis James Smith Williams who was their sex second of two seventh round picks a pass rusher from North Carolina. State or remember on draft the shows following the draft people were saying this guy can really rush the passer, but he made the team at the most loaded of positions but the biggest story of all of it was Alex Smith making the fifty three man final roster not going on injured reserve as Reuben, foster did, which means his season is over he will not play in Twenty Twenty but Alex Smith making the roster and you know Ron? Rivera. Eleven on eleven work with people you know flying around at the bottom he's wearing the Yellow Jersey. But you know that story continues to be an amazing when Tommy. What do you make of that? What? What are they trying to do? I. Don't know I. Don't know what the end game is here I don't know who's behind this I. Don't know they're legitimate I mean the only way to really know. Is If is if dwayne gets hurt in week one and week to they've got to have a backup to kyle. Allen? Is. Alex Smith. GonNa legitimately be the backup or are they going to call up Montanez? The quarterback from Colorado? Who's on the practice squad backup kyle and I don't know if we're ever GONNA find out this year with the end game is because the goal obviously is for Dwayne to be upright and play all sixteen games and I think Kyle Allen's the backup I don't think they specifically said that. I. Don't I don't know what do you think it is. I don't know I. Don't know what it is it can't be part of ceremonial. Alex Smith. You know comeback thing you don't give a roster spot i. mean an NFL coach would rather to broken glass and do that. So I mean I think they think he can play the book. I just sight of him. Playing in an NFL game just horrifies me. But if he physically able to play I, still think he's a good quarterback. So and and the thing about Swain He wasn't I may. He may be a different Wayne is here he probably is. Last year he was a little bit fragile back their. Fragile. Fragile out of a couple of games or you're talking about the interest. Yeah. Fragile. Not a word that comes to mind I. think they were trying to be They were taking precautions with simple and games. It didn't matter. Yeah. The. Ankle. Yeah, I mean that with them. I don't know well I. Mean he said it was Dan he's allowed to call him Dan. Yeah. That's right. I think he I think he showed that he may not be durable on the whole all the off season work change that. I don't think that Alex Smith is going to play football again in a real football game taking real snaps as a starter or even as a backup I don't. Think that on. I base that on project eleven and looking at a leg that didn't resemble a leg. In understanding and learning that he nearly died in understanding and learning that the recommendations were amputation. and. I just don't know and reading about drop foot about him suffering from drop foot right now I just don't. I maybe it's just part of me thinking, I, don't want him to do it. I. Don't know why he'd want do it I understand the the work to get back to the point where you could say that you could do it and it's an inspiration to your kids in. It's an inspiration to those military military guys that you spent time with in San Antonio. I just don't think he's ever going to and Tommy beyond that. Now I've said this before to you and I, think you agree this shouldn't be the organization that he does it for if he's going to guy and if he's going to go out there and he really wants to play again and he gets himself back physically to where he can play and play well, because WHO's going to take a chance on thirty six going on thirty seven you know if he can't really do it in the last time we saw him he was very mediocre. In. That was at thirty four years old. So I I am. I don't think this is the franchise that can afford another significant injury to this person. I mean, how? Why are they keeping him on the active roster? Well, on the active roster I don't know he counts what he's GonNa Count for Cap. Wise. Regardless. They're paying you know. I I also think they they don't mind having him around Dwayne and the. In Kyle Allen as well. You know because he is I mean we know what Patrick Mahomes said about him that he was the biggest influence he was such a great mentor. So to have him around the building and have him around these young quarterbacks, I think will be helpful. That heavy price to pay for a teacher, a roster spot. I agree which is why which is why I'm sort of surprised that they didn't I him or have make the roster and then I R M which means he could come back. You know the I. R. Prior to the fifty three man cut down means you're done for the year that's where Reuben foster ended up if you you know. Once. You get down to fifty three. If he then goes on I r say this week you have the ability to pull them off at some point and that keeps them in the building working with the young quarterbacks and maybe that will happen I Tommy. The. Only way we are going to know is if they're down to their third quarterback or they're down to their second quarterback and he's now the legitimate backup on game day I don't know who asked him the question after Ron Rivera. was going on and on about Alex and you know why he was on the roster and how it progressed in him continuing to take one step beyond the where they even thought and the very last person to ask the question in the press conference I been berries Luga. said. So let me understand I'm paraphrasing here. Let me understand. If he had to play Sunday against the eagles. You're telling us that he could play Sunday against the eagles which by the way I'd answer is the right question. Let's let's let's jump to let's get to the point here like if he's got to play Philadelphia Sunday said and Ron just said eight. Yeah. Yeah, I was not convincing at all. If you heard he the redskins that they care I mean it's just one more log on the fire football team. But if they get down through to their third quarterback and they bring in somebody from the practice squad to be starter Alex Smith is not the starter. Then, they'll get crucified for for this this this dog and pony show of wasting Iraq I I didn't even I never gonNA, play I. Didn't even think about it from that perspective I just thought about. Well, we'll. We'll know but you're right if. Let's say Dwayne got hurt against the Eagles and Kyle Allen came in and Alex was inactive. So you know he's the inactive quarterback on Sunday and Kyle and comes in and Kyle Allen plays and then next week at Arizona Kyle Allen's starter 'cause dwayne still down and they bring up Stephen Montas from the practice squad to be the backup and they make Alex in active again well, then then it's it's a bit of it's a bit of a fraud. Well. Well, actually that's not true. They could very easily explain look we couldn't cut alex bring him back to the practice squad. He's not eligible for the practice squad. So Stephen Montanez was so that there would be an expert. The bigger explanation would be if two quarterbacks go down. And they bring in two new quarterbacks, one to start and one tobacco up, and by the way, both of our veterans will then you would know and I guess there would be a little bit of a backlash to that. I hurt they I mean. This team. Should not be in the hero-worshipping business breath look I'm sorry to sound so so mean But particularly Ron Rivera Costa was even here last year. You know this whole thing about proving a point. Alex Smith is proved his point agreed he's praised proved it. I mean the you really have to risk being crippled to prove your point. I mean, come on it's ridiculous. I agree with that I I also you know I said this before not to sound you know uncaring or callous about this but you know it's really time to move on here. You know I and I know that you gotta pay them and and you can continue to cheer him on and cheer the story on and you can even have them in your building and. And and he can be a part of it but yet we're talking about now football and they have tied up a roster spot with Alex. Smith. So if it if it became perfectly clear to three weeks into the season that they never had any intention of him playing well, yeah I mean I I i. don't think that that would have been football number one before anything else. I just I just felt I. It's hard for me to fathom. And putting him on the field play. It always has been even though I contended that if he was considered able to play that I thought he would beat outweighing ask and it's clear. There was no real competition. Wayne. askins complicated against themselves. Yeah. Of course. Okay and and and by the way that's promising to me because I do think that Ron. Certainly had the ability had he looked at Dwayne talk to duane met with dwayne watched Wayne to say. It's not gonna add this dude he's not the guy now again I think you're right well, again I mean the the other point to the counterpoint to that would be will what are his other choice as well as other choices were to draft somebody or to sign somebody in free agency they did trade for Kyle Allen and he could start Kyle Kyle started a bunch of games for him last year A. Thirteen. Game Yeah. So, it could have been that it could have been that All right. There are other things that I want to touch on real quickly right after real quickly I tell you about my bookies listened to this opportunity the NFL season opens Thursday night. 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You can't do that you have to wager I certain period of time there will be rules about it, which by the way tells you that my book is pretty confident Tommy about getting that money back eventually but that's betting and you never get this kind of opportunity in betting to take a super bowl champion plus fifty four. To mybookie DOT AG use my Promo Code Kevin. DC. Did you see what happened to Novak Djokovic say? Yes I did I mean not life? I've seen it. What did you think of it? Well look. I. Don't know anything. About. Tennis. But I saw repeatedly one expert after another saying that they had no choice. But to do that that you know that was part of the game part of the rules. That they had to accept them. From the tournament. and he seemed to accept that didn't he? He did. What what's the big deal? The big deal is it's stupid for those that missed it. You can just Google Novak Djokovic being defaulted from the US Open. Let me just mention one thing. Novak Djokovic Tommy was the top seed he was going for Grand Slam number eighteen I think it is at this point eighteen or nineteen. You know this has been the I know no, no one watches tennis anymore in the US. It's a much more popular sport, much more popular in Europe in South America the rest of the World Australia than it is. Still popular. Sport. Yeah. It just isn't what it used to be in the US which you know there was a period of time in the seventies the eighties even through the nineties or tennis was a massively popular sport in this country it is. You could they were building court flip left and right over the place and they were always filled. You couldn't get on a court. Even even after the public tennis craze. Courts being packed in waiting to get onto a court to play tennis watching tennis was popular through the you know through the Andre Agassi era. Pete Sampras. Sarah and even you know even beyond that in more recent years but. This has been the golden era of tennis which the US is not participated in. The top three time Grand Slam men's. Winners or Roger Federer with twenty, Grand Slams roffe on the doll with nineteen and Novak Djokovic Seventeen I. Mean this is even though the US hasn't really watched it or had players participate in it. It has been the golden age of men's tennis. I wouldn't say it's been the Golden Age of women's tennis even though you've got arguably the greatest women's player in the history of the sport and Serena Williams. The Everett Navratilova. Era was. Followed by you know Steffi Graf who came on that that was the the golden era of women's tennis. But fettering adult joke of its three in Grand Slam men's titles will joke got seventeen Tommy before he got. On Sunday he was such a prohibitive favorite to win the US Open with no fetter. No Nidal Nidal's not there either to slim downfield because of covid nineteen. That the over under on the number of sets, he would lose for the rest of the tournament before his Sunday match was one and a half. He was in the round of sixteen that's run sixteen quarterfinals semi sent me finals and finals. He had four matches left to play to win it. Over under on the number of sets that he would lose the rest of the way was one and a half not matches sets. That's how big of a favorite to win this. Now, if you haven't seen what he did, he slapped the ball back in the direction of a lineswoman not angrily not aggressively he hit it back with his racket and it hit her in the throat and she went down like she got shot. Down like a ton of bricks and by the way I I know when you get hit Lynn that Adam's apple throat by something there is that sense of you know you can't breathe you can't you're choking whatever it is it's it's not a comfortable feeling but she lived She didn't have to be hospitalized or anything else they throw them out of the tournament. It is a rule that you're not allowed to take a ball and put it in an area slap it in an area outside of a point going on that puts anybody in danger it was totally accidental. It was totally unintended. I. Just don't think that I think you gotta fix that you can't. You can find him you can point penalty you know game penalty him it can't toss them out of the tournament for that. He didn't berate her. He didn't stand over pointing at her and then slap a ball in the direction of her. Is She just was an innocent bystander to a very incidental. You know I'm slap in the ball back in direction wasn't happy with the result of the point, but it wasn't aggressive rang agree. I just don't get it. You. Don't have a lot of thoughts on this. Let me just let me I. Got. I got one. I got one thought. Have I've only covered tennis. When they've had to, they had the tournament in DC. and. Usually at the paper. the low man on the Totem Pole. wild up covering that tennis Okay. And You know when I first got there being low man on on the seniority. To, cover the The tournament sit up in that godforsaken press box and walk up and down those stairs to interview players many times. Yeah. So so but but I actually the only other tennis professional tennis tournament I've ever been to. What's in Nineteen ninety-two in Las Vegas November. Jimmy Connors and Martina Navratilova. Played a battle, the sexist It was the same weekend as bowe-holyfield one. Friday night at CAESARS. In the outdoor stadium at CAESARS. And I got free passes to go I'd have to write about or anything. That's the only its tournament. I've ever seen in person besides the one in DC and Qatar's easily won I think and actually a book that came out a few years ago he said he'd bet a million dollars on himself that he would be her. In the tournament. So. Other than that I really don't have any interest in tennis. I remember texted you want when I was listening to your show on the way in years ago and you were talking about ten x and I think I tend to actually I said really got nothing to talk about. Well, you know. As a joke about that all the time. Yeah. Well, you know that I love I was a huge Tennyson. More I mean I, I haven't watched really any of this I. So one one of the one last thing on this thing, you know the Jovovich, which is the guy that basically you know thumbed his nose at at various countries including the US in their handling of covid nineteen then held up a party and everybody got covid nineteen including him. You know he's a he's an anti vaccine guy you know he's he's a bit He's a bit nuts but I didn't think that this warranted in Ojection at all. You know right now, the Derby, the US Open you all of these events that are going on as the NBA playoffs in the NHL Playoffs in football starting back up and all this I mean they need every you know hook they can get to get anybody to pay attention to it, and Djokovic is the only big name on the men's side in the draw i. just thought it was. I. Oh, this is what I wanted to say somebody tweeted this out. And it was pretty funny. In Golf basically the player would be forced to take the gloves off, sign it in hand it to the person. Which is true. I mean and getting hit by golf balls a hell of a lot more dangerous than getting hit by a tennis ball like if a martial at a golf tournament got hit in the back of the leg or I got hit in the front of the leg by Jason Day at the Masters a few years ago. But The the player would come up, take his glove off sign it, and then beyond his way and at the US Open, they tossed the guy and it just doesn't seem very proportional the punishment to to the crime which wouldn't. You mentioned the Kentucky Derby Talk Fairly new was going on I watched what am I? Really, it's one of my friend leap most favored events I notice I barely knew it was going on. the the the massive favourite, Tis the law I think it was got beat by an eight to one horse authentic I think i. I flipped it on literally as as they were loading the horses into the gate, and that's when I flipped it on and I watched it partly because my son had a wager on some forty three to one long shot. and. He's like turn it on it's about to go. So we turned it on. That was the only reason. I, even knew it by the way that forty three to one longshot came in thirty the horse showed and I had to explain him don't bet you know forty three one to one to win, but it's a show you. Some money. But Anyone you bet to try and you box scores money we'll try. We'll little TRIFECTA box you should go to track together. Have We. Know that wasn't you? It was with Rigaud that we did we went. You went with to the dog track in Florida I we we did that we did that we went to the door track. To See greyhounds run everybody knew you by first name when we walked in? Hollywood. Park. I know we've never been to the horse track. You know I mean there's to Charlestown now though I haven't been lately because it's so close in Frederick and I really liked the way they run things and Charlestown talpet a couple of years ago. I. Might have been about five years ago I put a six dollar. Trifecta ben on the Derby and I want seventeen hundred bucks. I think you've told me that story before yeah yeah yeah. So I've I've one might try that. That's on the Derby a few times over the years. You know when I was in college in particular, I went to the track a lot I was at Laurel too much it was. A Friday afternoon Laurel and then into the car and drive up to Atlantic city That was my friend group. We were we were troubled for sure. Let's take a break. I. I've had the good fortune of covering three therapies. In my time I'm glad I've covered at least one I covered three of them including the Smarty Jones. Derby. which was one of my favorites. was. Smarty, Jones a triple crown winner. No Smarty Jones everyone wanted him to be triple crown winner. He was big lovable horse that people people love got a lot of publicity would have been a great triple crown winner he got beat. In the Belmont by a nose I think by I think birds stone. A horse run by Edgar Prada. Maryland Jockey Edgar Produ beat them by anchor. Pride felt so bad at the after the Belmont that he apologized for winning because. So many people want Smarty Jones to win that race. Interesting. I I don't remember like I mean when it comes to the that sport I mean. What was the I can't even remember the recent triple crown winner. I forget but it was only it was only two years ago, right? Yeah. Yeah. It was very good I. Mean I remember I remember Seattle slew? Right and an affirmed secretariat and affirmed, yeah, right and secretary and obviously I mean, I don't remember watching I. DO remember watching affirmed in Seattle slew in the late seventies who was the triple crown winner just a couple of years ago. You'RE GONNA. You're, of course going to be like Oh, my God I'm. Oh there there've been two of them just was just yet justify and American Farrell. Yeah there I've been to. Two of them after. So long of not having any. Yet justify in two thousand, eighteen, American Pharaoh in two thousand fifteen and the one before that was affirmed in one. Thousand Nine, hundred, seventy, eight. So there were thirty seven years in between triple crown winners. Wow. The absence. made it a bigger story. True. True because in the nineteen seventies, there were three of them. None in the eighties and under the nineties none in the arts, and then you had to in the in the in the two thousand teens standby for a word from one of our sponsors. The athletic show. Every football season's a big challenge in one way or another introducing the athletic football show and all new podcast with me Robert Mays and a team of world class NFL writers and analysts. We'll feed your expert guests at are plugged in be writers from around League Patrick. Mahomes did last nine minutes is just absurd. You could subscribe now the Athletic Football Show, at Apple, podcasts spotify or the podcast provider of your choice and stay with us all season long as the athletic brings. What matters most in today's NFL. Tommy. The nats have actually went three or four, which is encouraging Max Scherzer pitch last night they had a weird lineup last night when they beat the raise the raise the best record in the National League in the in the American league excuse me and the Nats beat them. They went three or four, which is pretty good. But the big news from over the weekend was that the nats or at least it was reported the nats have signed micro to a three year contract extension boy it took a while and I know that there was a pandemic I don't really understand the process by which the learners. do you know negotiate and handle contracts with GM's and managers but I'm happy for him. If it's the money that he wanted in the deal that he wanted I hope it was because he's the best general manager in this city by far. Yeah he wanted a bet settle managers in the game. Until the learner they're they're still. They're still so so shortsighted, it was a three year extension. You know I mean the giants. When when they signed their their TM last year, they signed him to a five year deal. You know most teams the. GM. A, couple years ago with extended to four years a four year deal a three year extension is still I mean result should be getting a five-year extension and should be paid on the top two or three general managers in baseball I. Don't know what the terms of the payments are for him but the years it's still it's still sort of an insult and it's still shows. Now, what about the money? What about the money he? The last Dealey had was at four million a year. Let's say it's up to five million a year where does that rate him? Where does that put him in terms of GM salaries if that if that is I'd have to check i. mean you know I mean obviously WHAT'S HIS NAME IN CHICAGO? Do his makes a lot more than everybody? but I'd have to see what other TM's her making a point. in order to be a handle on that. There had to be some interest from other teams in Mike Rizzo given what he's done here, and maybe for even more money than he signed with I mean you would be able to tell me whether or not. That's true. I do have this sense maybe from you that he really does like living here. He likes it a lot plus he likes what he's built. Yes. You know not that he doesn't recognize the challenge and. Of being able to do it again with another organization. But he does like living Washington. and. He does like the legacy that he himself is pretty much created here. I mean, he knows. What life would be like For Washington, baseball and the learners if Mike Rizzo wasn't the GM nobody knows better than. All right. Well I mean. This is now they say they. Dave Martinez. Right his his studio is up at the end of this year there's a club option to pick up twenty twenty one, but he needs an extension. Well I mean he does but so did bury trots after winning little thing they call the Stanley Cup I'm Dave Martinez should be fine. They're not letting him go anywhere right now. Let's not unless is denying ski crazy. But you know there's a way to show people that they're wanted and it's a way to show people that you know if we could get away with paying you with Nicole we would. Right. There's a lot of a lot of businesses that operate that way Can I? May I take a moment just to talk about the NBA for second? Well, you know what? If your podcasts I'll give you permission. I've already mentioned that the the games have been really terrific the game last night between the clippers nuggets was really really good really intense the intensities I. think the most surprising thing to me especially considering that you know it was just two weeks ago where teams and players were talking about ending the season to bring attention to what happened to Kenosha you know the clippers and the Lakers apparently were ready to walk from the Orlando Bubble I. It's not what you're seeing in these games you're seeing tremendous intensity I mean real real playoff feel to these games desperation to these games I've really enjoyed it The the game last night was was phenomenal. The clippers were down twelve. They're on the verge of falling down to two games to one I bet the clippers that's the only wager legit wage. I've really made other the Middle Tennessee state on Saturday, which I'll get to in a moment to win the whole thing at plus two fifty it was about. Time. Paul George really arrived at the playoffs. He was great last night quiet Leonard had some incredible plays down the stretch a couple of just perfect pick and roll pocket passes that set up dunks and and free throws, and then he had the block I'm sure you've seen it on it went viral late last night in his been today the Middle Finger blocked shot. On Jamal Murray, trying to dunk on him at the rim, it was incredible I, love the clippers I think they're going to the title the but to me the clippers against the Lakers is the NBA Championship series. The bucks are down three one. They basically won a game on. Sunday with ten compo with the Greek freak basically laid up I. Don't. Know if he's GonNa, play tonight to try to keep their seasons alive but I'm telling you, Tommy that team so god awful coached I mean, I've never seen that there are three teams the watching the postseason right now I don't get it. I just don't get it but I guess it's a players League in the players get to dictate the way they play but. The Lakers rockets and bucks. I three teams that just stand all five players offensively except for the the guy that's got the ball just stand I've never seen less movement from teams in my life. What the rockets have been you know it's James, harden creating or Westbrook who's been completely out of control trying to create It's just painful to watch the Lakers are the same thing with Lebron and maybe a little too men with Lebron and Anthony Davis but God the bucks sky, booed holder cannot figure out a way to to make it easier for attentive COMPO and I'd start by just put on the post or running a couple of of of low blocked a low block screens to get him to get him free. They don't think of anything like that. I'm not trying to make it out like I'm a genius coach, an NBA team boats. But what's really clear to anybody that's coached at any level is that when you get to the NBA there certain teams. Were the players just say the job is not to strategize or to create you know structure. The job is just to be the players friend you know to be supportive of the players in maybe to have some guidelines on who plays and who doesn't, but it's painful to watch some of these teams play at the same time. The intensity of these games have been great really really fun to watch. So I still like the clippers to win the whole thing. But man, they're getting tested by nuggets team, Tommy you. You've wanted to big man you know in basketball for a while. Now let me just tell you that the best big man in the game, the best perimeter center, the Best Po Center, the Best Passing Center, and it's not even close is Yokich in Denver I mean, Nicole Yokich in Denver is a stud and last night. He was doing everything. He was Walton as a passer. I'm not exaggerating he was Walton, is a pash passer ended up with eight assists. He had twelve rebounds. He throws an outlet pass like unseld used to, and then he takes you on the block and he's got multiple moves on the block. Any takes you out and he buries three pointers. He's the best all around center in the NBA. And I don't even think it's a conversation. That's how good he is. He's a he's a problem for the clippers right now a problem in joe-marie good and MILLSAPS, complain. Grant Complain Harris can play a little bit in this guy. Porter Jr.. Is really a star in the making but Tommy, if you WANNA watch one team in one player that you would enjoy watch Denver and Yokich play he is he's. A throwback to now he shoots threes, which isn't a throwback to Walton but to watch him play from the post or to watch him play from mid range is a passer to watch him on his outlet passes spectacular player Specht two time all star I'm not acting like I, just discovered him. But for some people who haven't watched, he's just a joy to watch. House like a new era in the NBA. No, it's not that but But it's it's been fun to watch certain players in this postseason. I wonder what's going to happen with the NFL starting this weekend if it's going to be totally lost, the ratings have been terrible anyway. But I would imagine that starting this weekend, there aren't going to be many people that watch the Games. I would think not I've got something else that I want to end with and maybe you have something else but I do want to tell you about manscaping first before we get to that. Guy's manscaping has you covered to keep the hair looking nice and trimmed and feeling fully supported manscaping offers precision. Tools. For Your family jewels. The premium lawnmower three point Oh guys waterproof. It includes an led light it's made with advanced skin safe technology. It reduces the Nixon. Cuts on your delegates. 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You get twenty percents off right now plus free shipping with the code the Athletic Twenty at Manscaping Dot Com that's twenty percent off with free shipping it manscaping dot com and use the code the athletic twenty from the most to the caboose always use the right tools for the job. All right one last thing before we say goodbye for the day two things actually won an apology, the smell test Tommy on Friday Out Middle Tennessee state plus three and a half didn't really work. They got beat forty to nothing by our me. So not a good start for the smell test picked up where it left off last year, which is poor But what happened in this first college football game of the year that I watched because I had I had middle Tennessee State is perfect for coaching blunders which really doesn't start until next week but I don't know that we'll see a bigger coaching blender the rest of the year this this actually became viral on twitter for those that were watching college football or paying attention to. This game in particular the head coach of Middle Tennessee Middle Tennessee. State is rick stocks. Still he played quarterback I. Think at Middle Tennessee state many years ago. He's been there forever at the end of the half down twenty one nothing first in goal at the two yard line with forty five seconds left and two timeouts left Middle Tennessee state's quarterback bobbled snap fell on it at the twelve yard line the play ended with forty seconds to go. You're down twenty, one, nothing it second goal at the twelve, the the the goal there should be two to score right Tommy to at least at the worst case gallery before the half. I mean most most people would think of it. That way I was certainly thinking of it that way because I had middle Tennessee state I, needed him to get on the board gets a momentum. But the time they took the next snap without calling either of their final two timeouts left as this coach through his mask was looking around just completely bewildered may be couldn't see the clock I, don't know. By the time, they took the next snap at looking over the sideline to get the play in and then faking like they're going to snap and then checking back with the sideline to see, oh, is that the right play they snap the ball with three seconds left in the half they threw a pass out to the out to the left flat. The receiver caught it got tackled at the seven yard line and the half was over. It was the worst clock management I think I've ever seen and we see a lot of stuff over the years st in the first game of the year I. Don't think I'll see anything worse than this. We see this stuff all the time. That's why I have a segment coaching blunders the half the coaches in the NFL probably sixty five percent of the coaches in college. They don't know how to do this. It's still amazing to me to this very day. This one was so incompetent does that I think it's shady and I'll tell you why. I think it should be investigated. I'm being completely honest. Any seven year old that plays Madden would have known to use a time out at some point. You know maybe we want to try to score here. Let's use wanted to timeouts. We have left the over under first half number was twenty seven. Another score would have made the first half over under number twenty eight. Now, a field goal would made it. Twenty four would have kept it under somebody needs to investigate this I. I don't WanNa make terrible accusations against a head coach or a sideline about something like this but this was. This was such a level of incompetence. That you have to wonder why did it? I mean who doesn't want score when you're down twenty one nothing who purposefully tries not to score when you're down twenty one nothing at the end of the half in football. At an gold ago situation. Was Really Amazing Ross Tucker who I like he's been on the podcasts a lot was on the call of the game the play by play guy and Tucker didn't even pick up on it I I was sitting there going what are they doing a are you? Are you serious? Had they call the time out but the clock still rolling we didn't notice it. It was the worst thing I've ever seen in a clock management our I let me say it equals the worst thing I've ever seen. I'm sure there are two or three others that I if I remember them specifically are up there. You'll never see anything worse than this. You might see something as bad. You'll never see anything as shady as sketchy and on the flip side of that incompetent as this and what was so funny about it went viral and all the Middle Tennessee state fans. And all the people that follow this team in that League or saying Oh first time watching Middle Tennessee state and Rick Stock Still This guy's an expert at doing this kind of stuff all the time. So maybe he's just one of these coaches that's just terrible at it but even being terrible at it I mean you've gotTa know that you need time on the clock to score points like they're not gonNA give you an extra couple of plays after the clock gets to three Zeros. It was so bad. They lost forty to nothing. They weren't GonNa win the game anyway but and. Crazy one last think yes. everybody's reporting Ron Rivera is not a practice today. Today's his first treatment for cancer dot. Yes I'm I'm on twitter too I mean best wishes to him. And Jack del Rio is the is the guy waiting to be in charge if Ron can't go I mean look I'm coach Kiss my ass. Yeah I'm telling you right now part of the reason that I'm slightly optimistic about this team a lot of it has to do with Ron Rivera. And he's got a staff and maybe he doesn't have to be there on Game Day but I hope he will be and I think he will be I. You know his health is the most important thing. All right I'm done. Do you have anything else? At the beach wait that's the show enjoy the beach Bram Weinstein will be a guest on the show tomorrow he is the Washington football teams new play by play radio Voice, and he's a friend. He'll join us on the show tomorrow. Have a great day. Great Evening Great tomorrow morning among radio. Don't forget on the team nine, eighty on nine am ninety, five point nine FM, the team nine, hundred dot com and the team ninety APP A. Six to nine am If you're back in the swing of paying attention to sports football season starting listen to me on radio and then join us here on the podcast for twist. By the way a Friday we will have Chris Cooley on the show on Friday show to preview skins, eagles Washington, Football Team Eagles, and the Washington football team season. I Tommy I will talk to you on Thursday and we'll have our season predictions then. Okay boss.

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Kyler Chooses Football

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Kyler Chooses Football

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The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by capital. One capital. One is reimagining banking offering account with no fees or minimums that can be opened in only five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet, Capital One and a? Cried passion and patterns re of college football lives here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast a weekend that. I guess was not big on college football talk over all within the the grand scheme of the sports world. But within college football circles, the big story what I mentioned the last segment was Justin fields who just transferred from Georgia to Ohio State being declared eligible to play immediately for the buckeyes by the NCAA. And it was kind of a jumping off point for story that I just mentioned that his on ESPN dot com right now written by Adam written Berg and Tom van Heron. And let me reiterate if you have any interest at all in this story. The overall story of players transferring and eligibility and all that you must read the story. It's outstanding job in right now, we're joined by Adam written Berg, national college football writer and insider, Adam good to talk to you. It's been a little bit of a of a while since we were together on the. Podcast. That's the nature of the off season. But great great job here on this story. And I want to get your thoughts. What's your biggest? Takeaway. I guess it'd be one way to ask it after putting together this story. What kind of surprised you more than anything else after talking to players coaches and administrators? Well, I think Brad it. It was probably the difference of opinion. And how how much different was on either side. I think we're ended environment. It's very clear things are shifting to favor the players, and, you know, make it easier for them to have more control over their playing futures or academic future. What have you, but the coaches are really digging in on this coaches are very concerned that we're headed towards your free agency epidemic is the word that was thrown around from some coaches that I spoke to they wanted to have their voices heard. I don't know if it's necessarily going over well with the story coming out of because I just think we're in an environment, especially when these players are still. Not being paid people believe they should have the right to move around. Now that you're certainly not the way it's been for many years in college football, the coaches, let me be clear they're not opposing the transfer portal itself or even graduate transfers what they have a big issue with is what happened with just field. What happened would say Patterson and the rest of the ole miss players last year where they apply for a waiver and have that granted. So they could be eligible right away. That's the thing that they really take issue with that that you could sensually move between schools when you're a freshman or a sophomore or junior, and they believe that's going to create a lot of problems in the sport. Yeah. And look, and I think everyone can understand the concern there. But at the same time, recognize the inconsistency between coaches being able to move whenever they want and not have to sit out and yet players sometimes do and really before this players almost always did. And now that's kind of shifting where the majority is on the other side, you mentioned. This article the reason why the shift has occurred and has a lot to do with the language in the way that the NCAA wrote these guidelines for transferring and really petitioning for for eligibility. Explain that to us. Here's a couple of important changes last year. The big one was that students no longer to get permission from their from their original school to go out and up pursue a transfer. It also no longer have to be kind of extraordinary circumstances agreed just behavior on the part of the of the original school. I think it was also really important is that if your school is not blocking you or you can block them. But even if your school isn't really have an issue with you making that move, I think it's become a lot easier to green light transfer requests. So you adjusted fields of Georgia wasn't a had had a big problem with them leaving or, you know, take Martellus case. If state doesn't have a big. With him leaving going to Miami, which would be really hypocritical. Now, if they did there, it just becomes a lot easier in talking to Thomas Mars and some of the other attorneys that are involved in advocating for these players. The attorneys are a big part of this new Brad. I mean for years, it was basically on compliance directors, and the actual athlete to appeal to the NCAA. Now, you have professionals who understand how to make persuasive arguments, you know, making those arguments for these athletes, and in many cases succeeding the rate of success is almost eighty percent of those waivers going through. Yeah. You're story quoted Travis Leach who is assisting tape Martell in his waiver attempt. He transferred of courtroom, Ohio State to Miami. And he said something I thought was really interesting about this is that the the burden should be on someone else to to disprove that an athlete was negatively affected by something. Which? Is what initiated the transfer which you know. It's like you said it's all about shifting that burden of proof, and it's doing so in a way that's much more in favor of the player. Without a doubt is again. That's the thing. The coaches have a problem with is that, hey, just because you aren't playing right now or you're a little bit unhappy or coach that something that was mean to you that doesn't give you the right to transfer any Travis point as well in my if you're feeling uncomfortable or you don't wanna be there anymore. It really should be on the other side, the NCAA who say, you know, this is why you you have to sit out a year if you want to leave, and I I think that's that's a big big change, especially when the original school is no longer blocking. You original school is not standing in the way that was sort of the issue is say Patterson going from ole miss the Michigan once ole miss kind of backed away if it came very easy, then to get the waiver approved for say to be eligible mmediately with Michigan that was last year before many of these changes kind of went into effect. But I think the change of the language, and then just really taking the original school almost out of the equation has made it much easier for these waivers to be. Proved and for a high profile players like Justin fields and say Patterson to be able to play by the way. I would point this out. Brad didn't make it in the story. But Thomas mar said, hey, listen, I'm not making a living living out of this. I'm not taking on very many cases. So I if everybody thinks they're going to get away her and everybody is going to try to do that that percentage might start to change, especially if there's push back from those in the NCAA the eighties, and and others that make up that organization. Yeah. It's interesting, Adam when you when you look at the at the language once again going back to that the this is the precise wording of it. Once again, the transfer is due to documented mitigating circumstances that are outside the student, athletes control and directly impact the health safety and wellbeing of the student athlete to me the term wellbeing is incredibly vague. And I mean, I think I think health and safety those terms can be vague. But I think for the most part. We can define those wellbeing. I mean, you can, you know, get there, you know, at that point into some sort of anxiety, or whatever you want to argue, and it's really difficult to argue against that. And so I understand why the coaches are. So scared by this. I guess is one way to put it. Let me let me move forward here as we're on the Paul finebaum show. I'm Brad words filling in for Paul today. Joined by ESPN national college football writer insider, Adam written Berg. This you mentioned the proposal by Pat FitzGerald, north western coach where he I think he has a a a proposal. I guess you look at it as a compromise as to how players could certainly gain more autonomy over. Their futures. But at the same time this could work toward the overall goal of universities and really of college athletics. As far as this is really an academic and endeavour at least it's supposed to be above all else. Right. And that's I think where people could look at the coaches comments in the story in different ways. I think most people are taking it very cynical view of it and saying they're they're concerned about their control over their rosters and their control over their players. There's another view I think there's some credence to this. These these coaches honestly think that because now the players being able to move freely between school from school to school without sitting out a year. It's going to negatively impact them, not just outlet. But but from an academic standpoint, you know, they cite an NCAA statistics on your graduation rate's going down if you transfer if you transfer multiple times they go way down. So I if there are those out there that believe the coaches are actually looking out for the players and their academic wellbeing. Then I think that's where this proposal comes into play because coaches don't have a problem. Graduate chancellor's on the whole. And what fits is saying is, hey, you sit out a year you still graduate. So we get that goal accomplished. And then you get your year of eligibility. Back. So that you would still have the ability to play for years at you in the combination of two schools one last thing in the story. I wanna get to Adam is idea that this old transfer thing. And especially if more and more players are able to become immediately eligible after transferring as an undergrad could ultimately hurt high school seniors and the way the scholarships, work coaches. Have to they have to navigate within those scholarship limits, which means that if they take a transfer. That's one fewer scholarship they have to give an assigning class, or at least to a to a senior or to juke. Oh, and some of them were suggesting that hey, you know, what if I have the choice, you know? I'd rather sign a guy who have already seen play college football. And I know exactly what I'm getting as opposed to a high school kid who sure you're going to get more years out of them. But there's still an unknown as to how good he's going to be. I get the argument. My question is how big of a deal. Do you think? This is this something that just it's easy to say. But overall really effects such a small number of players that it's a weak argument. Yeah. It interesting. You know, some some coaches are concerned that that certain teams are going to recruit the portal, I know Miami, for example, has gotten a lot of attention undermanned ideas for the the number of players that it's been able to get through the transfer portal graduate transfers and others. I don't think a program will ever structure, it's recruiting specifically around the portal, but you would have to as a coach probably save a few scholarships. Or maybe it'd be a little bit careful about filling up on your recruiting classes, if it's something that they've door and brought up because you can only add twenty five scholarships per year and you fill up on those twenty five before that early signing date. And then you have a bunch of guys that go into the portal, you can't replace those scholarships. And he he thinks that that could be a health and safety issue where you get some position group that's only down to two or three scholarship players. How do you practice with that group? So his idea is if your players go into the portal voluntarily meaning they work kicked off by the coach they weren't forced out because the playing time or whatever you should be able to get that. Scholarship back like a medical hardship and not have account against that twenty five scholarship limits. That is something that I think could happen here, you something that I think the coaches and the football oversight committee can control to sort of combat the roster management headache that they're dealing with right now. Adam thank you for your time. Once again that story on ESPN dot com. Portal's waivers in the future of college football free agency by Adam written Burg, and Tom van Herren. Adam thanks for joining us. Thanks, brad. Appreciate it. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Brad Edwards your host today. And I'm now joined by south Walder from our ESPN sports analytics team in a Seth is a jack-of-all-trades. He is an expert on multiple sports. Unlike myself where I'm just a college football guy. I don't watch as much college basketball as I used to. I hate to say that because I have nothing against college basketball. Some people are kind of football snobs, you know, and they're like, I'm not gonna watch anything else. Whatever your huge ally guy, though. Right. Yeah. The alliance. Yeah. Yeah. Caught some of that. Actually, I didn't catch some of that. I I saw some of it on Twitter. But yes, I'm big college football guy. I will watch come tournament time though for college basketball, and we're getting closer to that time. And so what I wanted to ask you about. Let's as we start here with college basketball with a little bit of of an SEC focus is that over the weekend. The NCAA basketball committee released its it's kinda midseason look at where we are right now with the top sixteen teams where they would be seated basically it was if the season ended today thing and SEC at a couple of teams up there really close to the top. Yeah. I mean, I think Kentucky being there at five makes a lot of sense to me the surprise was Tennessee being as high as it was there to Tennessee. I don't want to take anything away from what grant Williams has done this year. You'll let me let me clarify before you go there because we're gonna be confused by what you're saying. Because Tennessee is actually number one in the polls. And you're saying that you were surprised that the committee had them as high as two I just don't see from a metric standpoint how you can justify putting them ahead of Regina right now. And again Tennessee's had a remarkable season so far, but the the polls I think are the only thing that's dragging them up above Virginia. When you look at the committee's own metric net, Tennessee is I think if you're a foreign that we have them as five in BPI foreign strength of record. So there are certainly in the mix for a one seed. But I just I think they're being a little bit overrated though. I guess good for them. They'll check it. So if you look at it right now in Kentucky was number five overall right committee, which is where they're ranked in in the poll, so the SEC at number two and number five you would think just on the surface that there's there's a chance that the SEC could get to number one seeds. But it's not all that likely. I think that's optimistic for the SEC. You look at the way the season's going Duke in Virginia. It's hard to imagine. That either one of those two teams is going to miss out on a number one seed, and then just we've been watching this net ranking throughout this season. No one knows the formula. But it's something that committee is going to use and one thing that seems clear as it's using win percentage. Unadjusted for opponent is some factor in there, and who does that help Gonzaga right because they have all these easy opponents. And so I think that zag has got a really good shot at a one seed and that just leaves one more team. I think that SEC's really likely to grab that last spot could be Kentucky could be Tennessee could come down to who wins the turn as tournament. But I do think it's probably only gonna be one number one seed for the conference. Now, you would think that Virginia and Duke from the ACC both being one seeds is much more likely because they've already played each other twice. They have no more meetings unless it comes in the conference tournament, whereas Tennessee and Kentucky not only play at Kentucky this weekend. But they still have to play at ten. See and then the possibility of a third meeting in the SEC tournament, which means that one of those teams is guaranteed to lose at least twice which would certainly hurt your chance of staying where you currently are on the seed line. I mean, I guess technically Kentucky could lose twice in remain a two seed, but they're probably not likely to move up to a one if they lose twice and Tennessee's not likely to stay a one if they lose twice, right? I think that's right. They got they're going to beat each other up in one way or another between between now and the selection. Yeah. So let's switch gears to football. Once again, that's a switch that that I can't really make as easily as used switching from from basketball to football. But on Thursday, we will be releasing a preseason F B I R football power index. And I'm sure those who just can't get enough of college football have already read a number of the way too early top twenty fives. That people have put out there over the last month since the season ended and. Now from a metric standpoint, we're taking our shot with our preseason FBI, which look I mentioned earlier that. Clemson Alabama, Georgia LSU are the top four teams in preseason FBI. But there's something else about this. That is very different from what you would typically see in a poll, and I can I can guarantee you will not see it when the preseason API and coach's polls come out we found this stunning. I think most people find this stunning in the top twenty of FBI's rankings. There are ten SEC's schools. I mean, that's truly remarkable one conference has half of the top twenty. And we we looked at this before. And we can take preseason FBI all the way back to two thousand five and no conference has ever had more than eight teams in the preseason top twenty prior to this year. Now, the SEC has ten that's right. And I'll tell you this one other fact here the best division in college football as he see west second-best division as he see how by standard. I think the thing that's really important to remember here. The reason why if I might do this is because if. We accept the fact that the SEC is the best conference in college football one thing that humans the polls whatever is not particularly good at doing. They're not really good at separating out. When when the conference is beating each other up, of course, all conferences have to play other. But when you have the playing itself, they're going to be losses and FBI is extremely aware of who you're playing when you pick up those losses. So it's not gonna punish you as much as the polls typically do, and so that's how it can say quite objectively it thinks that ten of the top twenty teams are in the SEC, and you start looking at okay, who's left if the SEC has ten up clemson's in their Oklahoma is going to be in their Notre Dame's gonna be in there. Just rounding out the rest of last year's playoff field. It's not leaving a whole lot of spots for other conferences to have that many teams the big ten has a handful. Yes there couple of leagues that don't have that many. I'm not going to give the exact rankings because we want to hold out some of it for everyone to see on Thursday. Day. But it's astounding when you see that the SEC has ten teams ranked higher than the second highest ranked team in the ACC as well as the second excuse me, the second highest ranked team in the big twelve and when you think about the ACC, it's like, okay. That sounds crazy. How could you have so many SEC schools ahead of the, but like which team is that that's inspiring such confidence from the ACC Clemson that you gotta put in yet ACC is easier to accept in the big twelve look I expect it Texas has a really good chance to be a preseason top ten team in the polls in August. Coming off that win over Georgia in the Sugar Bowl returning their quarterback, it cetera another good signing class. But Texas lost a lot of starters from last year. And that's why FBI doesn't like them as much as the polls. Will you could certainly argue whether Texas should be outside of the top twenty five which which I'll just tell you. That they're barely outside of the top twenty five and FBI the ACC as you're alluding to though is the one where you start asking who's the second best team in the ACC FBI says, it's Florida state. But even if you think it's Miami or Jinya tech. I it's it's hard to argue that there aren't ten SEC teams better than any of those. Yeah, have fun going to bat for those those schools. I get it's, you know, you're comparing to South Carolina or Tennessee. But there's reasons to like, those SEC's schools the other thing quick thing. I'll say with Texas is just I think we're Texas ended up in the polls is higher than where are officiency metrics had them. We have them twentieth. Overall in total efficiency at the end of last year. So it was like, yeah. Okay. There are solid team. But Texas not exactly back by any measure yet. Tennessee is a team, and we actually have three of them and Tennessee's the only one in the SEC, but Tennessee UCLA in Florida state are three teams that finished last season ranked in the sixties and. FBI that are up in if they're not all in the top twenty five there at least in the top twenty five range significant risers from the end of last year, so long returners off. Yeah. Exactly. And tennessee. I don't think I don't think that Tennessee will be a preseason top twenty five team in the polls. But the the metrics are telling us something that we need to look out for them to be a lot better than they were last year. So I think the vol's one team worth keeping an eye on and their fans are already excited after the signing class. They just had be even more excited after they see preseason FBI on Thursday. Thanks for giving us little bit of time. Thanks, brad. Not Seth Walder from our ESPN sports analytics. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Pleased to be joined now by Matt Jones of Kentucky sports radio. You may have also heard him from time to time on ESPN radio and even hosting this show on occasion. Matt welcome as we talk. We'll college basketball, which is becoming more frequent on this show than it used to be. Well, it shouldn't even because the SEC is good amazing. It's amazing. What a difference that loss. Yeah. Yeah. So but thank you for having me on. I've just got airport security already to come on the poll time buck. So all right. Awesome. I've played that little dance before myself many times trying to find the right spot in the airport and the right time to do an interview. So we appreciate your time as well. Looking at this game this Saturday, you've got top five battle here. Whether you're looking at the the the kind of preliminary rankings the selection committee just gave us a worthy AP poll either way these are two top five teams, Tennessee taking Kentucky at rob on Saturday night. I explained to us how big of a game. This is I realize it's regular season. And that's different in college basketball than it is in college football. But Kentucky doesn't often have big home games in SEC play because they typically are by far the best team. Yeah. Well, first of all let me say. Skip over the game tomorrow. I mean Kentucky plays LSU LSU only has one conference loss. I mean, right now, I think LSU is the most under appreciated team in the country in terms of how good they are versus how much sort of publicity. They get. I think they have top twelve talent. And nobody talks about it. They will give Kentucky v tomorrow night because they're athletes ISM is a leak that. I I would make the argument that the only team in the country more athletic, then then LSU is Duke. So I don't think they are elite in terms of skill. But in terms of lettuces and talent, I think they are elite. I think they're going to give Kentucky trouble the background at kind of becomes an issue, doesn't it like to enroll both games are home. The good thing about the Tennessee game is I think it will be the best Rupp atmosphere for an SEC game in a decade. You probably have to go back to the Florida games. When joke him Noah and those guys were there. In order to think of an SEC game in rob. That will be this exciting because you had games against Carolina gets Kansas and get the Louisville that have been like this. But I don't think they've had an SEC game. Like this. Since those joke him, Noah games, and and Kentucky may very well. Be an underdog which Kentucky has only been home underdog twice in the last fifteen years, and they were both against Florida. So this is there's a lot of things that I think will make it extremely exciting. And you know, you have game day in town. They're doing game day Memorial Coliseum, which I think will be an awesome environment. So it's going to be great. But these are this is a show me said a game for both LSU. I wanna see how good they are. And then Kentucky, I think Kentucky is national championship caliber if so they'll need to show it Saturday to see because I think the best teams in the country, Duke, Tennessee and Kentucky. Okay. So you you just said you think Kentucky is national championship. Caliber, how much has your opinion changed in that? Direction since the start of conference play. They lost the conference opener at Alabama. And I think at that point a lot of us were thinking, well, let me look we've all seen Kentucky because of their usual youth and inexperience get a lot better as seasons go on. But at that particular time in early January. I know I felt like you know, what this is definitely not wanna cows better teams. Yeah. I did. I still thought they were I thought they were national ship saved caliber after they'd be Carolina and Louisville back back. Now, did I think they were the best team in the country? No. But losing at Alabama. I mean teams lose me SEC on the road that just happens. Tennessee almost lost Vanderbilt man wanna a game all year and the conference. So I mean that that happened. I wear when I didn't think they were national championship. Caliber was in like November December lost by thirty four to do. And then they play six or eight straight games gets bad teams. Look awful could've lost one or two of those games. So at that point. I wasn't sure what they were. But I started that when they. Carolina by double digits, and then they went into Louisville and one by double digits, and those teams are both very good this year. I thought this was a national championship caliber team Calverton what changed between that Duke game. And now with Ashton Hagen at point guard when he took over things the Kentucky team hit another level. And I think the game Saturday, when's the last time the SEC is had two of the three best teams in the country. I think I'm not sitting answer to that question. I mean in twenty fourteen Kentucky and Florida made the final four. But then you kind of fry they weren't ANC that year. So I mean, I think you have to go back probably to. I don't even know when we've been to you probably have to go back to, you know, mid two thousands with when Kentucky with tubby. And then Billy was at Florida. Yeah. We're two of the best three teams in the country in the end. Yeah. So I look I might be grasping at straws here. But I'm just curious. What you think of this has it made any difference for Kentucky that the the expectations weren't through the roof because of all the hype that do CAD, you know, the fact that they obeyed not only they notably were not the most hyped team in the country. But as Tennessee started to have more success. They I don't wanna say they became an afterthought. But they weren't even getting all the attention the SEC, and I just wondered did that help take some of the pressure off of them yell little. I mean, they weren't remember continues preseason number white. And like, so, but but I think when they lost the Duke, and they lost by thirty four point and Duke had Zayn Williamson this sort of rock star player Kentucky has been an afterthought ever since. I was watching the other night Kentucky played I'm trying to think it wasn't Mississippi State Saturday was the Saturday before that I think they'd be they want Florida. That's what it was. They went and one at Ford, and I turned on the PM college basketball show and Kentucky had just won a road game at Florida, and I had to watch like twenty minutes before ESPN got the highlights. And I thought to myself how long has it been since Kentucky was like not just one of the top two stories almost non stored. And I think it's because what Kentucky's always got his the rockstar circus, teen, but dukes at this year, and then these sort of purist love basketball team is Tennessee and Virginia and Kentucky's kind of been this one in done team. That's really good. But people don't think it's quite as good as Duke. So they're not talking about it. And I do think that helps because when Kentucky with thinking they didn't have the national media going. What's wrong with Kentucky people just forgot about? Yeah. And they were then able to rebound and start to play. Well, I'm Brian Edwards. Filling in for Paul today here on the Paul finebaum show were joined by not Jones if Kentucky sports radio, Matt let's shift gears a little bit here to Kentucky football. And look last year. They were a great story. I think everyone would acknowledge that. But I think we also would acknowledge that they were a very experienced team a lot of seniors and juniors contributed to that success. And I think there are a lot of people who were expecting Kentucky to not go back to being bad. But to go back to mediocrity after this past season. But there's some encouraging things for Kentucky. If you even look at what's happening so far in the offseason most recently madhouse decides to stay at Kentucky after reportedly being offered a job as linebackers coach for the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah. And and don't forget the offense coordinator state of Kentucky after being offered the job at Georgia. No matter what the Georgia fan. But maybe a believe that was are really good. Development. So let me say this about the first one, you may, you know, I I had Mark stoops on my show week ago. And I said, you know, Mark every time I go on time bomb and go on these shows. Everybody says what man I mean didn't Kentucky gonna take step back next year? They were so talented this year, aren't they to take a step back? And Mark made a really good point. He goes ask those same people. How good they thought we were going to be last year. Like, they're now saying they're losing all this talent. But most people picked us to win six games last year. So how much talent did they think we have been and there's a lot of truth to that? I mean, nobody was picking Kentucky to win ten last year. It's not like this talent, boom with something that a lot of people foresaw. Now, I think they lose it kind of town on defense like a ton of talent. And that's going to be difficult. I think there's no doubt especially the secondary. I mean, they're gonna tell you four guys from their secondary. Get drafted four in Kentucky. That's crazy. But their offense is basically the whole group back at ads if any so if you believe that one of their running back some step up they've got the same quarterback the same alternative line the same receivers. So they have a chance I think to be good offensively the other thing. And this is a big thing. Their schedule is very favorable next year they trade and road game at AM, which is what they had last year for a home game against Arkansas. They play Florida and Tennessee teams they can beat. They play them in Lexington. Their road games are teams like vandy that you can win on the road. So I actually think their schedule is pretty favorable. They will also play a Louisville team that's going to be a tros. So if you see me beat Louisville and win your other three Dame's against non conference. There's four the vandy five beat Arkansas home, and you're already bowl eligible at six and you haven't even gotten to South Carolina, Mississippi State, Florida, Tennessee. So I actually think they met they probably won't win ten, but I think they'll win seven or eight again. Next to manning at one more quick question for you. And I we're going long here. But I want to ask this just because we don't spend a lot of time talking about Kentucky football, especially not in the offseason. But why don't you? They literally they one day. If they keep winning ten games. I can promise you. We'll talk about a more in the offseason. But so my question is about recruiting where the Kentucky fans disappointed. I'm only going off the ESPN rankings. I don't know where they were ranked by the others but coming off that season to have a ranking in the mid thirties, which actually was thirteenth out of fourteen in the SEC were they expecting more than that. Or are. They not really concerned about about those numbers, maybe lightly. I mean, but look go look at Mark stoops's numbers. The entire time Kentucky they've literally been in the thirties every single year. So this group of talent that is supposedly irreplaceable. You know, where that group was right? The exact same where this one was. Right. So, you know, I listen you're playing in the SEC. So you can be thirteenth in the SEC. They honestly would they would have been fifth in the icy with the same rank. Right. So so so it hurts you a little, but I think here's the thing. I think they will see the the dividends paid for recruiting on next year's class for. That's where I think. When you have a really good year. It really pays off for the juniors. Because most of the seniors are already in the process, especially now with the early signing period. Yeah. Exactly. So I think you'll still see their benefit next year. But I also think this when Kentucky's got and four and five star talent, here's a little secret. Those dudes have sucked like the guys they've gotten that have been highly ranked they really haven't done that. Well, Josh Allen was to stock. Benny hill was a low three star for whatever reason stoops seems to do better with those guys then for instance, Matt Elam who was a five star. And almost never could get on the field know Jason Hatcher was a five star. And what's kind of a bus? Drew barker. He actually has tended to do better with the lower guys. So I think if you believe in stoops then you're probably feel like this class is good enough to where they can still be. All right. Make sense. It'll be expecting Kentucky in a bowl next year. But I don't know they're so you need you all need to talk more. Our fan base wants. To be engaged. They want to you you hear how much they call and I need to Kentucky legit Kentucky a lot more of a legit program. Right now, the Tennessee, so they need to at least get the same amount of conversation. All right. Don't look at preseason FBI met when it comes out on Thursday. Because I thought I disagree with you on Tennessee Kentucky here. Remember last year? Your preseason FBI had Kentucky with four whip. So I. The wonderful tool, but it's not one since it's not infallible. That's for sure. So Matt thanks much. All right. That's Matt Jones from Kentucky sports radio. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Pleased to be joined right now by George Schroeder writer from USA today. You mostly know him for his college football work, and today, George has a nice opinion piece that was posted on collar Murray who we talked about throughout this show has announced today that he's going all in on becoming an NFL quarterback it at the very least for the time being is giving up his his baseball option with the Oakland A's after he was a top ten pick in the draft last year, and George you said in this piece, you believe Colin Murray made the right choice. Why? Well, first of all, I think I think he's a transcendent talent football. I mean, the people were six foot one even much less six two six three he'd be so far and away the number one pick in the draft. It'd be amazing. I know he's not and that's a big deal when you're five nine and a half or whatever he's gonna turn out to be. But I think he's a tremendous tremendous quarterback. And especially in the way, the NFL has evolved. I think it's a I think it makes sense for him to try the NFL. And and I guess the other piece of this is while there was some immediate money up front, obviously with the outlet IX of there's no real guarantee, you even make it through the minors to the big leagues much less become sort of the superstar. We talk about these hundred million dollar contracts. But I think baseball for a guy who is very raw. And he's being judged as a prospect is, you know, it's it's if I'm not sure that that and listen, I'm not sure that entered into his. Occupations because I'm pretty sure he felt like he was seed, and whatever he was gonna do. But payoff and football is potentially immediate. Yeah. Absolutely. I noticed your influence on the word prospect. And this is something I talked about earlier in the show, which is that for for a guy who didn't hit three hundred in college baseball who is not a power hitter. It is far from a certainty that you're gonna make a major league roster. You know, even for a short time, and you contrast that with being a top ten pick in football. And I'm not saying that he will be George. I think we look around at who the other quarterbacks are in this draft. And we know how much teams have a tendency to, you know, desperately move up in order to grab quarterbacks. It's it's it's almost hard for me to believe that he won't be a top ten pick. And I'm not a draft guru by any stretch of the imagination on leave that because you really do. Good work with you know, dealing with sources in front offices and things like that. But I'm guessing. The top fifteen pick anyway. And and again, that's just a guess who's a first round pick probably fifteen you could be right that he's a top ten pick. And if he is one of those then to me, it's a no brainer. The other piece of this Brad is he you know, he's the Heisman Trophy winner. Named the last baseball player who became sort of a household face. Not realize just how house will face not household name. Whereas as an NFL quarterback if he has if he's going to start as sort of the face of somebody city and probably given sort of his measurable z- in terms of Pugh score. I think he's going to have a shot to be a guy getting lots of endorsement deals, and if he then has any kind of measure success at all much less becomes a star. Then to me, I think that sort of the the celebrity scale is off the charts for football. Whereas it even if you get there and baseball, even if you become that superstar, when's the last got this sort of broke out in sort of the pop culture beyond the baseball culture. Yeah. George we're going to hear a lot going into this draft about how there's been recent set success for undersized quarterbacks in the NFL, you know, guys like Baker Mayfield last year toward the end of the season. Certainly had it you look at ROY. Russell wilson. Drew Brees is a very obvious one. Who don't have that prototypical NFL size? You mentioned five nine five nine and a half. And we'll find out at the combine. But Kyle Murray by all accounts. I haven't stood next to him. I'm guessing that you have it's point. So first of all how big not just tall. But how big is? He I think that that's an issue that people are looking at the other thing is what is his his personality like because we know that it takes a certain amount of confidence in order to succeed in the NFL as a quarterback, you don't it doesn't necessarily require bravado. But certainly requires a lot of confidence. Well, he's he's not nearly as big, and I'm not talking about height is not nearly as big as Baker Mayfield his predecessor to Oklahoma. Baker Mayfield hit sort of built himself into being you know, a sticker framed guy through the years with with weights and things like that Keiler is not that. But I would say that just lower body, especially. Is is still thick. So he's not a wisp. And I wrote that McCollum he he's not I don't know if you'll measuring at one ninety five or two hundred or something like that at five foot nine and a half. But he's not gonna measuring at one sixty so shoot you have been -cerned about him getting crushed by some some big defensive end. Yeah. -solutely, although you know, that kind of thing can happen to anybody. I note that doesn't take a lot of hits here. And I think that would continue he's gonna get he's gonna get lit up by somebody. But that happens everybody in in the NFL. And then I'm sorry. I lost your second question. The second question is about his personality. And we we knew mayfield's personality because he was just so brash and outgoing whereas Cuyler really kept things to himself for the most part, but some people might confuse that with, you know, being very reserved, and maybe shy. Well, I I think he's got a he's got a fuse lit inside of them too. Little. The chip on the shoulder type of thing that the Baker Mayfield had it just it just comes out in different ways. So and I'll say this. I think that it takes me back to talking to him last August when I was enormous do a piece on on the Sooners, and you know, people were sort of the unspoken premise that we all sort of spoke to him when we got to talk with him was, you know, hey, nobody really expects you to be as good as Baker was last year. But kind of what do you think you can do and he was offended by that And as it turns out he was right because he had a better year than Baker. Did I think this guy was confident going in? Now, I don't know if he should have been that competent. But I think he was really confident going in that he was going to have a really really good year. He could do this. And so, you know, whether you can do it the NFL or not obviously up for debate. And we're all going to watch to see if he can or not. But I guarantee you he thinks he can be a star in the NFL. This is the finebaum show. I'm Brad Edwards. Joined by George Schroeder of USA today. Day. And while we're on that topic. I guess let's just kind of segue to who could be the next Oklahoma quarterback back to back Heisman winners. Baker Mayfield Cuyler Murray. And now Jalen hurts his arrived in Norman as a transfer from Alabama. It's it's no lock that. He's going to be the starting quarterback. A lot of people are making that assumption. But very talented true freshmen sign with the Sooners Spencer rattler who certainly will will be in that mix. What's your impression of the decision for Lincoln Riley to basically, recruit Jalen hurts to to come in there and be a part of that competition even with such a highly touted freshman coming in? Well, no, it tenor Mordechai that they're pretty high on who's already on campus who's been on campus a year or so, but the the one thing I would say Spitzer Rattlers not coming in until June. So unlike these guys come in January and get the spring practice in his early enroll east, he's not gonna have that. So I think that makes it a little bit of deal to see. But also think this I think Jalen is a terrific college quarterback. I'm not saying anything anybody doesn't know what's going to be interesting to see. And I think we thought when we saw him that he had developed as a pass or when we saw him, you know, sometimes in mop up time, but then certainly in the SEC title game in the fourth quarter when he helped Alabama come back to be Georgia. He seemed to develop he seemed to be a better passer. He'll be asked to do a lot more passing in the Oklahoma offense than he was in the Alabama offense when he was the starter before the offense morphed to fit to his abilities. So can't he do that. I think that's still an open question on the other hand also think this I think that Lincoln Riley will will tweet the offense, however needs to be tweaked. I mean that he is a tremendous weapon. And if he's become a slightly better or much better passer, then he will thrive and that offense. And and if he's not then I think the Lincoln Riley will find. A way to help him thrive by changing how the offense works a little bit. I think that's the other piece. This is the way Lincoln Riley thinks through things and adopts the offense to fit the skill sets of his QB's, Georgia it. Is it kind of a sidebar here as we're on the topic of vocal homo? What what what do you make out of Bob stoops getting back into the coaching business? I know we had a lot of conversation when he announced he was leaving Oklahoma as to whether he'd coach again, we were thinking college NFL, but XFL is is something completely different. What do you make out of that? And does that is that a row that you could see urban Meyer possibly going down as we just recently had that same conversation about whether he'll ever coach again. Yeah. Maybe let me just say this in relation. I don't know what urban is going to do. And I still would not be surprised to see him back on a college sideline. Full-time? I don't think we're in c- that with Bob stoops. I didn't think that two weeks ago. And I still don't think I don't think we'll see him in the NFL. What this does though to me is it scratches the football. It's for Bob stoops. And I think he goes from happily retired, but missing football to happily semi retired and doesn't have to miss football as much, you know, it's a it's a four or five. Month of the year commitment, and there's a whole lot of days, you can still wake up and play golf, and you don't have to return that recruiting call or get that three AM phone call. And there's a I would say this to I don't think there's going to be a lot of pressure in terms of just to win the same way. There would be had he still been at Oklahoma or gone to an Ohio State or or headed off to the NFL. You don't think Twitter is gonna light up and the calls are gonna come flooding in the the local sports talk when they start losing three games in a row. Well, maybe but first of all let's figure out, but before we determine how devoted fan base is going to be maybe we should get a logo and some colors for the teams thing. I'm with you on that. I think it's a great thing is the the level of passion, the fans just want to be entertained. I think at the end of the day illegal like that. They don't even care if they win or lose. They just want to be entertained. Yeah. No. I mean, I think it's I think it's a perfect way for him to come back. And I'm not hurting colleagues say they thought it was sort of different his toe in the water and a way to say, hey, I'm ready to come back. I don't believe that. Maybe he'll come back. I still don't think he will. But this isn't a way to dip your tone, the water if he wants to come back all they had to do is let his agent no to tell some people. Hey, I'm ready, and he could have job. I just I still think Bob stoops is is a guy who's going to. I don't think we see him on a college sidelined again. I don't think we see him on an NFL sideline again. And I know those are famous last words, but I don't think anything is fundamentally changed from what his outlook was before the XFL came calling. Hey, George, thanks for your time. Thanks for your insight and look forward to seeing you again soon. I think you read created tenure George Roeder from USA today. Thank you. For listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum show airs weekdays on the SEC network beginning at three eastern. Message and data rates may apply to become okay for men to be Lazier softer fatter. 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The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by capital. One capital. One is reimagining banking offering account with no fees or minimums that can be opened in only five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet, Capital One and a? Cried passion than patterns re of college. Football leaves Keer. The is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast. Well, hello. Yeah. I heard Valentine's Day, happy Valentine's Day to you. And you flowers will be arriving any moment. Now, how is everybody doing on this very special day? It is February fourteenth. And do we have a lot to do today? Let's get started right now. The new FBI rankings are out. Look like the old F B I rankings. Clemson once again at the top, I well, we'll we'll talk about some of the bottom feeders in the top twenty five you got Missouri making an entrance can't go to a bowl game. But there's still number twenty. How about South Carolina? They went to a ballgame. Lascher didn't go very, well, Mr. be states in their Tennessee fifteen. Texas am and eleven Auburn nine to get ready for some messy schools, Florida eight LSU four Georgia three Alabama to how many SEC schools do. I count there. A lot. We'll tell you in cod. Grantham. Is sticking with the Gators. He thought about going to the Bengals. Then he got some help or an intervention and decided not to they were pretty good last year. He is a much travelled defensive coordinator. He'll take off his shoes at least for another year. He's sticking with Dan Mullen. Meanwhile, Tennessee is supporting ex star Tony White who faces a very serious fight is the fight of his life. And we'll have that story for you later on. New on the hardwood. They did it again last night. But leave it to Rick Barnes, not to be happy. You'll be happy Saturday night. If the cats can address their three point defense and beat Kentucky in Rupp that certainly the biggest game of the week in college basketball. We'll talk about a lot more tomorrow as we get ready for the weekend. But tonight we ever showed a do. So we'll also share your Valentine's wishes always a special day of the program. We have so many callers that we feel close to and we'll we'll share all of that with you on the program this afternoon again the phone number's eight five five two four two seven two eight five let's get going and how about Dr starting us off in the Commonwealth. Hey, doris. Happy Valentine's Day, happy Valentine's Day to you. Thanks for hearing me out. I just wanna make a couple of comments. I of ESPN really over hyping this UK Tennessee game in Rupp arena. Why are they over hyping? It's a big game. Well, as UK San this is Tennessee sheer. No, you're already waving the white flag. Yes. I am. Okay. I'm not gonna watch the game. Because I don't wanna see my. Kentucky. Wildcats lose by nineteen twenty five points, and we're up arena kinda fan. Are you? If you're if you're already giving up before the game. Well, you're terrible. I can't stand this appointment. The Tennessee broadcasting then Tennessee players on retool. They play like mature players. It may speak like mature players and poor little UK. Wildcats look like skinny little waist up next to the Tennessee players. And I know. Waving the white flag. Say Tennessee goes up against Duke, and the NC double A. I hope Tennessee beat the snot out of thinking about. Yeah. So I I don't I can assure you, there's plenty of snuck in to beat out of Duke fair is your sure they're snotty bunch. They're snotty snow too little bunch. They really want. I want to say one more thing to out. Yep. Was going on with the wealth arena crowd. Here's the night. Was there a snowstorm was there? I was. Snow at all what why was the crowd? So late in getting in in a rising. I tell you what Darcy I don't know the answer to that. So I will see if I can find out. Let's go to George our old, buddy. And Harlin Kentucky Hilo, George. Hey you doing though, we are doing great. I happy Valentine's. Thank you and here. Now, my Janos I see you wanted. I finally, you know, he was here when I get to see you win. To getting married when are you two getting married? I don't know. We really haven't said that yet. Okay. So so you got engaged that would that would mean your. She's your fiance. Okay. Yeah. How long have you been? How long have you been engaged? I weighed being he's about here's for how long about a year. Okay. This is not lead on those Friday. Let me give you one. Yeah. I'm I'm from on. George. Let me can I talk you out of it. Now now. You and your wife. Hello. I hope I have relates to remind we've been married awhile. Yeah. It's my it's my first my last my own my everything. Yeah. Yeah. I know in these he is on. But he of to say how oh this is your fiance on the phone here how happy Valentine's Day. Hey there. How are you? So I know hope you didn't hear me talking to to George about you guys getting married. I'll get to watch it after the recording. Okay. Okay. So tell me this you've been engaged for a year. That is is about right. Yeah. How long have you two known each other? How long have you two known each other about Alvar laugh, Julie? So I and again, we'll make this a theme or the show because it is we only get Valentine's Day once a year is this a special day. Or is this another day? Now, it is a special day. So what what I mean do you exchange candy or or what? Yeah. And what? Yeah, they leather Speth. Are you doing now? Now now now now now. Hold on a second. I got kids watching. So I don't know if I if I should follow that up. I ask him about that other stuff. Fanta. If a good day, we like Valentine's Day. Okay. So what is your what is your what is your name gamy? Jane, jamie. Cooper. What was that George caper? Johnny caper. Jamie cooper. Do you know db now? I don't know. Now by. So ja-, Jamie Cooper, and George, and you know, I hope you'll invite me to the wedding. Real. I wait. We just make you personally one day that would really new fun. Yeah. I mean now, I hope you have a good Arum house. I tell you why Happy Valley will kale. John Maher me Allah Gaza show. Okay. Thank you very much. You guys have a great day. How about that too? Happy people on Valentine's Day too often on Valentine's Day, don't you get the other side of it? Get the unhappy people today, we're going to concentrate on the happy people. Who else is happy? I know there's this guy is happy. I know I know he's happy because his team won ten games last year nine or something like that mad is in San Antonio. What's up? That man like vice on something called, by the way. Oh, where did what was that? He told me that internet dating a took your vice in the fall. Well, I'm glad I didn't like where you were going with this internet, dating, Matt. I thought it down. You know, what I'm just going to do different Wayne. You know, my good friend. Paul was right only get it down. I didn't grow up in the internet dating era. And I'm sure there are some people who could not be happier having. Frank kept telling me don't do that. You only do that. But I didn't like we're this was going. I was getting some bad vibes about you. And your writing that you my best friend necking kind of the year. Now is gonna take your vice for that. Now. I mean there which site we know maybe I shouldn't ask you what site you were using. I twenty three one. Maybe the problem. It's the free. It's the free dating sites. When you pay to go on these dating sites is there some security. There is. But honestly, every time I go on them. All they do ask me for money half, the time it, really. I'm not sure that's hard for me to grab my arms around going on on a on a dating website in the morning, something in return. That's that's that's that's a new one on me. But I tell you what Matt we'll figure this thing out. Don't don't rush into it. You're still a young man. I'm not gonna rush just focused on me right now. I yeah. Me myself. And I. Okay. Well, I want to ask you about Valentine's Day them. No, I met you Valentine's Day. I got no problems Valentine's Day. Are you get my mom's on Valentine's Day? We hear nice guy. Like, my mom raised me to be. Well, be always be good to your mom. But I wanted to talk to you about how you doing texting his team's going to do with the rest of their games this year. You think they can win them Paul? Well, I think right now they have some. They have some openings because. To me. I mean, there are some teams going in the wrong direction like Auburn ole miss going in the right direction. Yeah. Watch the highlights. No loss for Auburn last night. But, but I am I I have to have to double check their schedule. But but I think am is they need a fast fan. Hey, Matt, listen, great to have you on be careful with those dating sites. Listening to Paul finebaum show podcast four daddy and Knoxville, Tennessee, happy Valentine's Day, Paul. Let me tell you roses are red violets your ugly. My Volvo is going to sweep Kentucky so vowel nation breakout. The, but now Paul you said that you don't think doors is Representative Kentucky's fans, but I've been on a lot of their websites and trust me secretly don't have a lot of confidence right now. But I am surprised woman calling on your show wave the why play, but I honestly obvious going to be a good game. And if Tennessee don't defend the three Paul and everybody, there's play instance. Just shooting unbelievably from freeport ranks. Can if Kentucky I'm gonna say this have Kentucky mates eight or more three point shots. Paul. I think that win the game. What do you think? Yeah. Listen, I'm I just wanted to watch the game. I'm to me. It's you know. I don't think it's a B O Endo game. I to me it's a great opportunity for for for Tennessee to to let a few other people know who they are. They are kind of the. Deride ni Dangerfield so to speak of of of the number one position. But but I, but I I don't. T Tennessee season is going to be determined by the NCWA tournament. Not by this game. It's a terminent. It's tournament sport. That's a truth. And the fact is it Tennessee were sweet Kentucky like we did last year. We run into them again SEC tournament and poets like the law grabbing it is hard to be good team three times. And who knows maybe play them for a and you said there about Rodney Dangerfield deep gap there. We had a good win against Zagayev number one in the country. And I promise you I won't be surprised if August in the final four the power them get ready to go here. Have you got you lady L fix the Paul prevented? Con- stay where you got. Oh, yeah. I. Oh, yeah. I I've got I've got I've got everything lined up you better behavior. Why the white the white limousine the roses? I believe it. I know how you are your romantic. To your lady and say takes me at one of her doctor friends, Paul a fine, southern gentleman. They only one rule though. She's got to be a ten a ten. I see is what I'm saying Paul ten. Yeah. Did you get that too? Are you are you telling me, you're single Zach? Hi, how you single? Yeah. I got out of a horrible horrible marriage, Paul. And I'm not even joking. That's not a joke. And I I'm thinking about getting back in it. And I look at you got a lot of guys shooter. Go there such a thing as a good marriage. Yes. They are the boys in the booth. Are are they married? Well, let me let me Danny in John. I don't think John's play in the field. He's on John Johnson. Johnson a different nightclub every night. I sent him on farmers only dot com. I mean, you gotta do what you got. I think either one of those boys are married Christian mingle, actually. Yeah. I think Danny's pretty I think Daniels pretty well taken. Or would that be fair? I it'd be fair to say, yes, there's no rings, but pretty serious relationship family. John just made people's fifty most of the he didn't make that lesson. Come on guys. I have a Valentine not not here on the show actively looking for one. But you know, if Karen champion is watching maybe, you know, she can have to. My wing man, brother out. I mean, I'm sure that I can help you daddy. It's just a matter of is it is it worth it. I mean like what are you looking for? Daddy. Okay. We're gonna make this the theme of the show. We're going to try to help some people out. I mean, some people aren't helped are a has to be a Tennessee person. Right. Hey, I go. I had a divided house. She was from Kentucky. And that was a source married. Mary married at Vanderbilt graduate. Well, that's that's pretty smart though. That's what I'm saying. I'm polish his because of the chase here. How picky can this guy actually be? Oh now you research award. Well, what I was looking for good kind loving woman that screen goal balls at nearly eighty and at the Barnes arena. And by the way, Paul when Rick barn twins PVA longer Thompson. And it's the Barnes arena. Go vol's. It's going to be a great game great weekend. But boys helped the war daddy out beautiful lady. Wherever you are. You may be down the road or in a different state. But the ward at okay, we will find the war dead one good, Tennessee woman. And listen, I I lived there for a long time. It's there's plenty to go around. So the theme of the show is fine more daddy, a good, Tennessee woman. And I mean. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. And on this day this day that so many people are searching for the right answers to make good judgment who better than the judgment. Dr almost said the love Dr Kent Smith Meyer. Joining us can't always great to have you back on the show. The words right out of my mouth is sitting here. Watching the first half hour your show and thinking about the things that John Hayes, and I were talking about maybe you and I talking about and I and I'm like, are you kidding? We have to talk about love and romance judgement. So they don't forget this football stuff. We got plenty of time. And I I wear John, and I've had the the great pleasure of being with your wife of many many years. It's it's what the you're. I know you're over a quarter of a century. How how many years are you married? Oh way over that. It'll be forty two. Okay. I was being benevolent. What's been the key for for you? And the MRs. Well, that's that's a heart. Honestly, Paul a very hard question to answer. And it's not a single answer probably recognizing. They're always ups and downs. Right. You're you're married guy. You've been married a long time. Sure. And I think I seriously think oftentimes people delude themselves about what a long term relationship is. You know, they get some imaginary picture in their head that. Is not reality. And then they surprise they get surprised when a reality shows up, and it's it's like, well, you know, what what did you expect? And you know, I think man run into the problem of imagining that the woman in front of them really is the woman of all their fantasies, whatever their fantasies are appropriate or an appropriate. And the woman may be great. But she's not going to live up to all those fantasies. That's just not realistic. The woman on the other hand imagined she can make that man become what she wants him to be That's not happening. You know what? And so between the two of them. Sometimes you can get a real real disconnect there. But unfortunately, for whatever all the reasons are you just don't see as many long marriages these days as we used to. Yeah. That's an interesting question. And I wonder listen, I'm I'm not gonna try to talk. I'm an expert. I mean between the two of us we've got a lot of consecutive years going in marriage. But, but I I you know, if I could just throw myself at the mercy of the judgement. Dr I think the key for for my successful marriage was waiting not rushing into it. Maybe growing up a little bit being mature. And I think too many people do rush into it, Ken. Yeah. You know, Paul I think certainly we've seen with our own children when we have three and they're all married now, they all waited longer than we did. And just because we married younger than they married. Older. Does not guarantee on either side, but I think that can wait. And honestly, and I'm probably shredding bit into today's sociological issues. But there's pretty clear research that that has people who do they having children do better. And that's that can be delay to get married that can be a delay until you finished college that could be delay until you're, you know, twenty eight that have twenty, but boy, those of us that have kids know that once this show up your life changes, and it is irreversible. And. I think that a lot of young people these days having children that they're not emotionally prepared to raise much less financially prepared, and whether you're even if you're married and that child comes along to on that could be tough. But it's I mean, there's there's many factors. So listen, Paul. I don't think there is. I don't think there is a marriage expert, you put two human beings together. It gets so complicated. There are people who can help you. But boy for anybody call themselves an expert, I think that's foolishness. Well, did well done. And we appreciate your your thoughts on that. Let let me get to the subject that we really did want to talk about. And that's what's happening with the transfer portal and free agency in college athletics, especially football. I know you've given a lot of thought to this. Give us the lay of the land. By the way. I don't know it sought today. Paul that. I guess the NCW has taken such heat from coaches and ADP they're now going to revisit their guidelines. Did see that? Yes. Yeah. And you know, what will come out of that? I I don't know. I personally feel like this cows out of the barn. And you know, there could be modifications on along the way, by the way that article that Adam written Berg, and Tom Ben Hern wrote for ESPN, I think you have one or both of them on with you a couple of days ago that was really an outstanding piece. And it's people haven't read that they're interested in this that that is excellent excellent summary of where it is. But you know, in in business, we find all the time that if if you can look ahead, and and you have to try to get some idea where you think you're businesses ultimately gonna wind up. The sooner you get there. The better off you're going to be allows you to organize a little bit. Then to me if you look at what's going on in college, football coaches changing jobs with impunity oftentimes right after the players signed a letter of intent and these days, it's it's as head coaches and assessments, increasingly the players, I think much of the public back Simone this. They see no reason why they shouldn't have the same freedom. You know, lawyers. Now like that guy Mars Arkansas that represented shape Patterson, and I think some of these others several others there almost specializing in two against the NC double A now and the Athol players the NC double A is highly risk averse. They don't want lawsuits. They don't want that public publicy and the current NC a bylaws they may change them now, but it says allows for waivers and mitigating circumstances. But that's just vague enough to leave, you know, loophole for lawyer to to run through. So I just I think that college before right now faces a losing prop. Position when you're trying to defend total and unfettered free agency for coaches by fighting the effort to get something similar to the players. I understand the fears about ten are and craziness in the sport and get all that. But I just think there is a tension between those two positions that are that are polar opposites of each other. And and that tension is gonna crack care. Talking to Ken Smith Myra about the issues relating to the so-called free agency. Ken. A lot of people have argued that this is long overdue regardless of the litigation or the threaten litigation. Do you agree or or don't you that it just isn't fair for coaches to do it and players are unable to meeting coaches, can do whatever they want with really no penalty, they they may. They may have to give back some money, but but players are are handcuffed and handicapped. Yeah. And I think that's where the public comes down Paul. They look at the fundamental issue of fairness, and it's very hard argue that the current regime has fair, and I I think you talked about maybe giving money back. Are you kidding me? Look at the Manny Diaz relation least Miami. Rick Rick quote, retires to three weeks later. I think Miami has to pay temple. Why four million four and a half million five out of this contract is been temple two three four weeks? Something like that. And you know, I'm listening. I'm a free market. I'm a capitalist. I have no problem with coaches do. This kind of stuff, but it's very very hard to not treat players at least to some degree more that way than they are now. So so Paul if I if I may let me throw out a couple of ideas for you. And let's see what you think about maybe how this might work. All right. So just a few examples of structure, and and let me freely confess, I'm not a football expert. Okay. So I don't know all the ins and outs. But let's say that we keep the port on a ten day period and may and attend period and December for any player can put his name in the portal, the first three days of each of those ten day. Periods will be a cooling off period. It's gives the player and the coach time to talk to each other maybe their differences that need to be air. Maybe they can be resolved within that three day period the player to withdraw his name without consequence. So it's a no risk time. Bram however after that three day period, if he leaves his name, and then the coach withdraws scholar. Ship. So my point here is free agency comes with risks to a player. You know, when I talk about freedom. Everything will freedom doesn't come with a security blanket. And by the way, if you're gonna leave your team, the coach has an obligation to all the other guys on your team to be able to quickly replace you. You know, there's a reason why there's eighty five scholarships and the three of you leave. We're down eighty two we need three more. So if you leave your name in scholarship on now, I think that would be an effective tool to cause players and families to really think hard about whether or not that's the right thing for them right now team as a twenty five scholarship per year. Limit of players they consigned I would wave that for the number of players that a team loss through the transfer portal. They lose three they've already banned it twenty five this year. They can add three more. And that's not the whole answer. What I just described there. But what I was trying to come up with with something that put some order to it something that gives player something something that gives the coaches something and something that tries to not let the integrity of the sport, get them. It's because if that happens, then all all parties, get hurt players and coaches. Kim Smith some really interesting suggestions about where this so-called free agency is going Ken. Thank you. We look forward to continuing this this right now is the story of the off season and want to get your thoughts on it again, very soon as we thank you for being on on this Valentine's Day. Thanks, paul. Good to talk to you. Great to have you on Ken Smith Myers. Some love talk and some college free agency. Talk to listening to about Paul finebaum show podcast brought to you by capital on capitol. One wants to build a better Bank one that feels an axe nothing like a typical Bank. It's why they're reimagining banking by offering accounts with no fees or minimums and one of the best savings rates in America. You can open a Capital One account from anywhere in five minutes. That's banking reimagined Capital One. What's in your wallet capital? One NA looking forward to talk into south Walder from statute information. Thanks for the time. We just went over. The piece here in a no folks around the country are going out. There goes the finebaum show again just trying to gear everything toward the SEC. But we do that by the way sometimes. But I I really I'm I'm I'm really interested in what you have to say about this because we have nothing to do with these numbers. Give it to us. Yeah. No. Of course, I've ever accused of the O ESPN SEC by all day long. But look this is a, you know, an objective model that looking at all these all hundred thirty teams judging them, and ultimately, I think the difference here between what the polls do. And what TI does is? The polls are going to react and overreact two wins and losses. But the reality is conferences have to play each other beat themselves up, and what FBI does is adjusting for Ponant every single game. And so it it's not really going to have that problem you can lose to another SEC team. But if at SEC. Team is really good. Then it's not gonna punish you very much for that loss or for that performance. And so ultimately, that's that's the way it has. No putting ten SEC schools in the top twenty which is what it does. It doesn't even really understand like the model itself. What the SEC is just knows that these collection of teams all plays each other quite a bit. So we know that probably won't it won't end up that way because of the cannibalization, and you you said it doesn't take that in consideration. But if you disperse these clubs elsewhere would that be a better way of looking at it and trying to understand because I mean, it's hard to understand based on what we know is upcoming. Exactly. Yeah. Just because schools rank so high they're not going to be add up with a record that justifies it because of that. Yeah. Sure. Like, if we basically put if we gave all ten of these schools over put every school in the whole country, we magically made them play the same schedule. We think than we would. See that these ten SEC schools would be among the twenty best in the country. It's not it's not reality. But if spread out across the country, they would end up rising to the top. I realize we're looking here at analytics. But of these ten I'm I I think we we know how you would react to Alabama in Georgia. But what's the prize, you the most well, Tennessee, I think that stood out to me? I don't know if you had the same reaction. I I looked at that. And I was just sort of dumbfounded for a minute that we have Tennessee at fifteen and so I had to look into it. What's like what's going on that we could possibly think that the volunteers are actually going to be that good? Ultimately comes down a few things. Right. They're bringing back their quarterback. You had a solid year last year. And he's one of ten starters on offense. That are returning for tendency. Now, I know people are probably screaming into the radios right now, which is wait. What difference? Does it make? If you're bringing players back if they weren't particularly good last season. But we've found that even if you aren't if you didn't have a great year if you can return a high percentage of other unit that the experience actually lends itself to improvement. And so we do think Tennessee will make a big step forward it. But look it's surprised me as much of it. I'm sure it surprised a lot of people Seth on the other side after Alabama. I in Georgia. I mean, I think it's pretty predictable Florida LSU schools like that. But, but I'm interested in what you see in in this next here because we're we're trying to find that school that can possibly even though it's not likely deal with Alabama on one side and Georgia on the other. Yeah. I gosh. I mean, it is tricky. And I do I say that I think that it's still Clemson and Alabama are the elite at the very very top. So everybody else that we're talking about including Georgia below them. I think is is going to be talked to challenge. But in the SEC, I do think that LSU is does have maybe a little bit better of a chance. Then you then we might have thought previously. You know? I think they put on a good show for a while last season, but they could probably build on that lottery turning players, obviously, they have no issue recruiting down there in Louisiana. And I think that they this might be the time when they could pose a challenge, I still think that Alabama is the cream of the crop not only in that division. But in the conference as a whole, let me go to what you said a minute ago, the trying to differentiate Alabama Clemson, I mean, we we know the history the last four years, we we know. How two of those games came down to the last few moments. Now, the other two really weren't that close. We also know what's left both schools. I had how does how did they analytics figure this thing out right now? Yeah, it's really interesting because they're sort of in this situation. Batur advantage in terms of like returning production. And obviously they both have quarterbacks have have a lot of success coming back. But I think at this point a significant factor here is ultimately that title game from last year. I mean, maybe that sounds obvious. But the fact that Clemson won that game and not just wanted but blew out at Alabama really shifted. I think the way that even you know, our model thought about these two teams so ended up thinking at the end of last year after that game that Clemson it was solidly better than Alabama. And so that's why that's a big factor. Why it gives Clemson the edge over Alabama? It's not a it's not it's not a dramatic difference between the two, but it does think that Clemson is the better team between the two and then there's a big drop off between Alabama at two to Georgia three. And Seth is. I mean, I I mean, I know I know the number was twenty eight and I don't know how computer thinks so give us your best. Guess. On how that computer looks at this with Alabama being the favourite going in a twenty eight point differential players changing. How does it reach this conclusion? Well, alternately it coming down. It's looking at basically, Alabama's production over the last four years. They're they're recruiting rankings over the last four years they're bringing back their head coach. And then they're returning players on offense defense and a quarterback into a tongue Isla older saying, yeah. Twenty eight points better than the average F B S team. So that's, you know, something that is by no means like inconsideration for for a title a team like I dunno Colorado or something like that. And then we're just saying that Clemson is basically like a point and a half better than that. So out of neutral field, appoint a half better. If if they were to play in Tuscaloosa, Alabama would be a slight favourite, great subset balder. We will talk to you anymore. More times the ESPN analytics writer said thanks for your time. Always great to have you on. Thanks, paul. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show, podcast, Heather dinner. Joining us to get her reaction to this stunning revelation about the the SEC prowess. I don't think Heather we were were that's the prize at the SEC is in good shape. But certainly this is maybe more than we thought. Let's talk about the top ten in the FBI. Heather did it's showing us right now. Heather great w on. Thanks so much for being here. You your reaction to what we are learning and trying to put it all together. Well, I think it shapes up to be another one of those seasons. Paul where it helps the SEC get over some weak non conference strength of schedules. Because when I went through it, and I looked at those SEC teams, and you see a lot of what we're what we're used to you know, maybe one what really good game Georgia play Notre Dame LSU plant, Texas. But there are some other ones where you look at it. You're like, well, let's look at Alabama nothing against Duke. But what's going to really help them? Like it did two years ago is the overall strength of schedule in the SEC. So if the selection committee's rankings, go onto eventually reflect what we're seeing an FBI, which is again, a very heavy SEC ranking then that's going to help some of those teams overcome some weaker non conference strength of schedule rulers fourteenth of February and this will be decided early in December. But, but you you just brought up something very interesting last year, Alabama schedule. Wasn't great in their wash. I'm concerned. Of course, they took the concern out by being undefeated. But give us the concern now with with perhaps even a weaker schedule at least on paper. Well as long as Duke goes on to have a respectable season, which I think they probably will the committee will do that as a respectable power five win. But when you look at their other non conference opponents New Mexico state, southern miss western Carolina, those combined for twelve and two twenty two record last year. So where does that could come into play is if Alabama stumbled once or twice, and we saw this two years ago when they were in the debate in the selection committee meeting room with Ohio State was Bama was it Ohio State. I promise you that non conference schedule. I think it was. I think he when we're talking about versa that Europe. That that did right, right. That did come into question. And so I'll Bama as good as they are as consistent as they have been they're not immune to scrutiny, and that's lection committee meeting room. So I just think that that's one of those things that could be a factor if they stumbled, but like you said they didn't do it last year. So it wasn't a cause for concern. But it can be. Of course, a comparison within within the league to Georgia with with with the Notre Dame game is pretty pale as as I'm sure you would agree. Let's look at some of the other schools. Georgia's Notre Dame, what LSU has Texas. So I mean, some of the powers Florida Miami in Florida state, so Alabama is is the one that will stick out there. Among the probably the four biggest contenders. It is. But I also think it's important to see what happens with Notre Dame. That's that's a question because as you know, as we've seen some of these winds are looked really good at the beginning of the year. And they can also be devalued. So how good will Notre Dame? The I think Notre Dame's gonna be pretty darn good. And I think they do to they have a lot to be excited about their one of the top teams in the FBI as well. But that will impact Georgia schedule and they need to win that game. And they also need Notre Dame to continue to look good. I mean, look at how much Notre Dame impacted Michigan schedule last year and they lost that game. But we continuously said well Michigan's only loss was to Notre Dame and they're undefeated. Right. So the Irish somehow continued to impact other people's playoff hopes as well as their own let me just get some comparison shopping here on on Alabama, Clemson because of chess holds a minute ago. How? The the outcome of that game flip flopped. And quite frankly in the eyes of most people the perception has changed at Alabama. No longer comes into this as such a dominant favorite. We haven't spoken to you since the twenty eight point loss your reaction to that. And as you move it forward. Well, I was shocked not that Clemson one, but how they want. And I think that was reflective of the general reaction of people watching that game. Clemson is obviously very good knew they had a chance. But wow to see them dismantle Alabama. Like that was certainly surprising. And I think coming out of that thought was it's not just album and everybody else right now, it's Alabama and Clemson and everybody else, and if you've got fatigue about that, you're going to have to get over it because it doesn't look like it's changing anytime soon that being said, you know, we are talking about Georgia. There are other teams that can be in the mix. I mean, Oregon is in the top ten of the FBI. So there could be some changing storylines in college football. I think it was unusually predictable last year. But if you go back to Alabama schedule, you just and you know, this better than anybody. You have no idea if they can really go undefeated again because it's extremely difficult and going back to Clemson that Texas A and M game again. Again, that's going to be a big one for them as well. I don't mean to harp on Alabama. But, but I will considering they haven't played a non conference road game since I think it was Penn State in two thousand eleven and they've you know, some of the some of this is bad luck. I'm not going to go through every game. But you know, what I'm talking about? Why do you think they? They take this risk or or do you think they just feel like they're there? Billy proof because they are Alabama, and they rarely lose. Well, I think they have taken some risks. And I think they have played some pretty tough games online them of. I mean, look at Florida state and how good everybody thought they were going to be the year. They played them with Roussy, Andre Francois. I mean, my goodness how much the perception of that game in those programs have changed since then, obviously. But you know, I also think that the SEC and Greg Sankey and almost every coach that you talk within within league will repeatedly tell you how difficult it is. And the selection committee continues to validate that perception by how many SEC teams they continue to rank every year now whether or not fans, and coaches and everybody else across the country agrees with that. It's hard to dispute what Bama has done because of where they've wound up then the college football playoff era. So I think they have taken some risks. But at the same time can there can their schedule. Will be more challenging probably I mean, look look at what the Pac twelve will tell you. Hey, we play nine league games. And the big twelve we'll tell you we play every single opponent. We know who are true champion is in the the big ten we play nine games. We don't play us. Yes. And look at Notre Dame schedule it is ridiculously difficult this year. And it was last year say what you will about Notre name to go undefeated against that schedule. Last year was pretty impressive. I think the fact that Alabama has looked so good against everyone. They've played is what has given them that that leniency Grachev from heatherton, which many more conversations in the future. Heather thank you for being with us. We really appreciate. Thanks and happy Valentine's Day, Paul happy, Valentine's Day. Thank you very much. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Mike is up next on this Valentine's Day. Hello, mike. Hey, paul. How are you today? We're here to great. Thank you. Okay. First time caller, happy Valentine's Day. He very much. I have three tips for a long and happy marriage that my grandfather gave me and he was married sixty nine years. All my I'm working on forty forty one myself. And you guys you're Marian family. Well, we've we tried to be okay. But let me give you my three tips that my grandfather gave me. Number one have a good sense of humor. Number two. Don't go to bed mad. And number three pick your battles. That's a good one, by the way. And I I think I've got a good sense of humor. Yes, there you do. Try not to go to bed mad and hook Ashrat. And I I got a better one. And this my secret of being married for twenty seven years. Don't ever battle. Okay. Whatever you want great. Yes, ma'am. You want to move to Montana fantastic. That's right. Can you the job you ask cow high? Yeah. It's it's just where it's worked really well for me. And and the key is, and I'm sure my no my wife's not watching. I don't let her know what you're doing. Okay. That that were don't let her know yours ninety your head and not even really listening. Well, you know, that's a big problem for people. And I mean this, and you know, what my is that most people just have to it's hard to listen sometimes. And if your spouse wants us to say, something just let them say it. That's right. Lee done with get it over with. That's that was your that was your that was your dad's or your grandfather's recommendations LeBron fodders, and he was married. How long sixty-nine when grandmother passed away? That's amazing. I mean that that is listen this is a this holiday comes under attack sometimes by people. But when you consider. How successful that is. And wouldn't that is that that's pretty remarkable. That's true. I'm I'm really I really really appreciate that call if Joe your show watch every day. Well, thank you, you'd be well, and you have a great holiday. That's that's a that's an inspiration. The you pay attention to that Rick from Southern Cal. I'm sure can top that with a even more inspiration on marriage talk. Well, I can't pump the years. All I've got thirty one accounting of by the way, happy Valentine's Day, all the bombs finebaum pleading callers. But. Yeah. Thirty one years in counting. And here's my two secrets to it and make it wasn't they want. But no matter what finds find a way to be happy eating Debbie that she's happy about something. Find a way to me happy about and and number two no matter where I'm at. Now, you can be a miserable place miserable weather miserable comedy. By look Gobert. My wife, everything is. I'm married at one was low expectations years ago. But you know, what did word for thirty one years two kids, and I couldn't be happier. Everything solitary day. I'm grateful standard right there next to me on. I mean, so I'm a fan. I've I wanted to ask you, but I overheard that it's been awhile since I've been call to travel for. But did I hear that EM regrets would impact? The connections a little fuzzy wha what did what did you ask again had Jim from Brentwood, if he Pat, yes, he did one of his I can't remember how how how I learned that maybe one of my colleagues back in Birmingham told me, but that did happen. I think it was shortly after Tammy passed away. Wow. Von couple of watch very callers ball. I mean. Again. I people newer callers. Hear me say this too often, but you can back it up or he was a hall of fame caller. I mean he was front row. Absolutely. Absolutely. And as much as much as we'd all like bag on them and stuff to eat. He's right there. You know, he's got a he's got him of a vineyard in the hall of fame as well. And you know, Darryl, and you know, quite a few Larry and on the way, you can go down the list, but Jim progress with one of my all time favorite. I had never heard the brightest milk knows before. And used of just about every time. He falls you. But one of the most negative human beings. But I'm telling you he was. He was he could hold his own against anyone. And I mean, he was just unique. I mean, some callers, unfortunately, Rick, and you know, this, and I'm not naming names. You know, what they're going to say, you know, they're gonna scream, you know, they're going to bad mouth you. I mean, Jim he had a way he's one of the few callers in the history of this show who could get under my skin, even though I knew he was about to get under my skin. But he was he was great. He was very fun to listen to. But I think a lot of was the max for the post bar snow around into him a couple of years ago. And and I asked him why didn't call and he just said the show's terrible. I'm not gonna waste time with it anymore. I got a big kick out of that, by the way. Did he really? He said he said it laughing. He said, I never miss it. I just have moved on from calling. I mean, he was one of those guys to re Rick. He didn't have to announce every time. He was quitting the show. He just quit. Yeah. It's I mean, we we've seen a few of them. Don't want to be listen, man. I I'm not even I have no dog in Hudson tweaking. But I can't wait to the every dribble of that. Bogging speaking, I think and for anybody to call. Thank you Duckie 'cause they lost a Dopp. Carolina doesn't have a chance. Now. That's the. Point that's eight thanks for the call preciado. Greg is an Athens Alabama on the air next. Happy thanksgiving or thanksgiving. Happy Valentine's Day, Paul. I was what time was Peter. What time to eat the Turkey. It's hard. Yeah. My my grandparents from married for sixty nine years, and I don't I don't know why that really gets to me. But that that is so cool. Yeah. He my grandfather passed away in two thousand eight and my grandmother actually lives in ninety six he died in two thousand twelve when I had was halfway through school. And I've only been married for eight months, but it's been a wonderful ride. And you know, if you love someone I mean, really love him, then nothing else matters. You know life has its own drama. So I try not to create any extra and it makes it much more bearable and enjoyable when you have someone that you love that you can share it with. No, absolutely. Yeah. So a wise man once said better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth, remove all doubt. That is such a great and applicable saying, especially for this program. Yes. And that was the late. Great president ABRAHAM LINCOLN, Abe, Lincoln billboards. Yeah. Here birthday the other day to he. He's getting up there and listening to Paul finebaum show podcast, squirrel is up next, squirrel. Welcome to the show. Glad you're back. That'd be happy Valentine's Day, Paul. Thank you couple things that early in the show that lady caller that catch us a Kentucky fan and that she was conceding Tennessee game out. They didn't get me. But. That was a one hundred percent fake, call right writer poll. I mean, you had to know that man that was a Tennessee fan masquerading as a Kentucky fan. I mean, she was insulting her own team. Basically, if she if she wasn't Dougie fan, and I can't believe any Kentucky fan on the planet would would talk about their team that way, I just can't see it ever happening. I don't it'd be like ten an Alabama football fan conceding Seattle to Auburn team. It just it would never have. But so then you think that call was fake. I've got college is downright terrible. Whether it was fake or not, I don't know he was pretending my and she was pretending but married twenty nine years. Well, have you really? Well, that's pretty cool. I'm amazed as anybody I really am so knocking on wood. But I guess what? She got me today. What? Okay. What did your wife? Get your probably pecan, cinnamon, Valentine's keen cake. That's pretty cool. It is heart shaped, and it was really good. Really good. And you get you gave her the the the best show CD gave the finebaum the greatest defined bombs greatest hits. I gave her a dozen roses some a card and some candles. So I did my man it just need it. Very well. It's pretty covered my bases. Man. That's. I mean pe- people that take this day for granted or making a mistake. They sure are they they could end up single. Wanted to ask you something for a while. But you know, I didn't feel like it was appropriate. But with it being Valentine's Day, what is the status of you and Millie's relationship now? I think it's fair it'd be she she called in about about a week and a half ago. She is I'm not saying she had called and I heard her call. But I'm saying what is the status of your relationship? I mean, there seems to be a little rift between you two guys. I think that would be accurate. Okay. Well, like, I say, let's hope and you can repair and more. We're speaking about Rhys. I kind of feel responsible for you in gems real Dow him in apology, or or anything I can do to kind of patch things up you guys. No, squirrel because I no longer have any interest in speaking of him. Okay. I won't I will never mentioned him again. As far as I'm concerned. He is a former caller, and that will make it by diction that he will permanently be become a former caller because he is no longer. Welcome back here. Well, what he is. Welcome back. You're you know that. And I'm on my prediction, I make perdition that he will call back in the future. Well, yeah. I don't care whether he does or not. And I think and I'll say I'll go ahead and get this off my chest. But stand with me, Paul. I'm not pretending with me. But I think this program has been hijacked long enough by his his bullying and his terrorism, and it's not gonna happen anymore. He's calmed down from that. I mean, mainly, you know, past years, it's just been bitching and moaning, I mean. Yeah, you know, I mean is bullying and terrorism that was years ago. Well, I mean, that's when that's when that's when he had he had a fastball. But again, I tried to be as been benevolent to all callers. But I I think he region points Korol, and you understand it that it's not worth it. And it really isn't worth making everyone else miserable. So he can get his his his issues and his problems office chest, I'm optimistic Paul. I'm thinking, you guys are gonna Pat you that thank you spec them on. Thank you. Well, you are wrong. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast looking forward to talking to crisslow always one of the more knowledgeable reporters anywhere out there. Chris always great to have you on. And it's been too long. Good afternoon. It's great to be with you, Paul his all these good afternoon to you. We we before we get to another topic. We were talking about to coming back and Jalen going elsewhere in and I know it and it ended badly for two. But you're you're extremely close to that program in terms of personnel. How do you think he's going to mesh now with Steve Sarkisian? Very well. And I think when you when you look again, always look at the people around in they're bringing back in my mind, Paul if not the best receiving core in the country right there at the top. So you know, he's got the guys around him Eddie to the kind of kid. Hey reversal flexible molds with well with different people. And I think the way sort keys will coach in the way he will manage to. I think is going to be good for him. So he he's one of these guys who's a sponge two years. And I think what what sort start coming over again the people around him. I think it'll be just fine. And another question on Nick Sabin because you you you written and reported so much on him. But now that he he's five weeks removed from the national championship loss. But but only a week since one of his better recruiting Wednesdays. How would you characterize his state of mind right now is we turn the page towards spring and ultimately the twenty nine thousand nine season. Well, first of all when does he not recruit? Well, and and. Keep in mind. This this is recruiting class that comes on the heels of BIC having seven on the field assistance on last year staff. We're going to be no longer there. Think about that. Now granted a lot of those kids. They signed were the first class. But that tells you to me that says one thing that the common denominators guy that they're running the show, and in people come and go assistance, come and go, but his system does it change. I think his mindset will be what it always is in mixed. One of those guys who loved the grind the journey. And I know that sounds close to a lot of people. But that's the reason he's been so good and so consistent. It's the reason that he's sitting there in the parking lot at a school it sounded clock in the morning at sixty seven years old wedding. You see a kid as a head coach. He recruits is hard now as head coach as he ever. Did. They need him Paul. He has before he goes to recruit they meet him at the plane with a fresh computer loaded up with tape of prospects for the next class. So he can watch those guys he's playing around the country to California wherever to watch these guys to watch guys for the next class. We'll do that an hour or two every day. And so what is his mindset, that's his mindset that sale is he's always saying about the next class x practice, Nick sees. Talking to Chris Lowe, and Chris has written a story recently that we want to get some more information from him. It's a it's a gut wrenching story about. Ex- tennessee. You're Tony White who now faces the fight of his life. Chris take us through this. This important story. We'll Paul, you know, went up broke into business. I guess when we both did back in the dark ages. You know, what what was real number on that? We never wanted to be part of the story never wanted to become or interject yourself in the story. Well, I guess the profession's change a little bit. But this is a story that. Set out to do this. There's no way you know, that I can't be a part of it because Tony and I go back more than thirty five years. We both came to the university of Tennessee together as freshmen in nineteen eighty three actually met before we got there both kitchen the Carolinas and have been friends ever since you know, as my career taking me all over the country. Coverage sports play pro ball overseas. We always kept in cut. And he's badly TV right now. It's it's the kind of leukemia that if he doesn't have a bone marrow transplant even with maintenance chemo that it's the disease come back even stronger. So you're gonna go over to to Nash. When March the Syra cannon institute and have the transplant will be there for one hundred days. Prep the procedure recovery. The good news is the cantors in roommates in now and his brother, gene is a perfect ten for ten match in bone marrow but seen Tony a bunch over the last several months is hospitals. He's been in hospital for more than one hundred nights since he first learned he had cancer back in Cobra. You're not tell you what what's been heartwarming to me. A couple of things Paul is the foreign the love and support from the Tennessee basketball family from bridge. Don't stay on everybody rid it their university in the fans and the way they reached out. I think it says two things it says eight kind of impact Tony had on so many people you ever watch to play. So many had a chance to watch him play. He played the game with such passion. He was six to maybe about one hundred seventy pounds under you play the man he played with no theater, and that's the way he's attacking this disease. He always tells me Chris from cold press. Eighty and that's the way he's going after it. So I asked everybody out through your thoughts and prayers for always called him with 'cause he gave himself. Obviously, you're the only person I telling you gave yourself you don't think name need himself the wizard back in the eighties. But thoughts and prayers for him. And he was a great player. Great team. He's been a great friend to. And it was it's been an honor to to be there with him and watch him fight because he's been the one Paul really that's kept our spirits stuff. All those around him that love it because it just how he attacked his thing and attack it head on just a second left here Crispin, but you mentioned at the onset about writing about someone that you care great deal about let me ask you is close friend who's also suffering along the way, what was it like to to have to? Be involved versus normally a a least modicum of detachment. A little bit surreal because I really never written a story like that where you're so emotionally log, and again, this is a friendship that goes back thirty five plus year in the see him fighting, and I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna lie you're going to hospital, you see hooked up to all those machines. I mean, it's it's emotional. It was emotional sitting down and writing that going through it, you know, but I wanted to do it Justice for him. And and hope I did he he's the guy that gives me us and those around love and the strength because it his courage in the way he's gonna have after. But it was it was different than anything. I've ever written previously. I've been in the business for more than thirty years. Paul. Well, done Chris many, thanks for coming on. Really? Appreciate you sharing that with us. So we'll see you very soon. You bet I'll take care of. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. A final guess of this afternoon in early evening will wait the second year head basketball coach at LSU coming off of a monumental win at Rupp arena the other night and coach wait. Thank you, very very much for joining us. Congratulations. I know there is another game Saturday, but a lot of folks still talking about Tuesday night. How are you? Now doing well doing well just got out of practice and look forward to bullet four Georgia coming up on Saturday. Well, we'll get to that in a second. But. But I'm sure everywhere you've gone people keep talking about it. And and you know, your team has been unusual in terms of resiliency falling behind coming back. And we saw it again at Rupp if we could go backwards, just your your thoughts on that that experience and and not only what it did for your team. But just for the LSU family. Well, I think you know, you know, our guys had a great belief going into the game. I knew we were going to play. Well, but you'd never know for sure, you know, how it's going to go when you get in that type situation when you get twenty four thousand fans got, you know, all the blue and everybody, you know, everybody going crazy. You don't know how you're gonna react. And if you're gonna be able to sustain day to you know, some of those other games when it got doubt double digits, never quite got down. Double digits Kentucky. We got down nine, you know, we're able to kind of keep it at a work and Arjun that make our booth really. I felt like in the you know in the first half. We we weren't as aggressive as typically we didn't get to the foul line as much. We didn't drive the ball as hard the ball. Stuck a little bit on offense and defensive. We were just a step slow. We're kind of stuck behind a lot of their action in the second half. We were much more aggressive and got on the offense of class and defendant. A better able to stay between them at the basket. Now put ourselves in rotation. Shen? So we could rebound the ball. So I thought that was I thought that was really key for us picking up. What what you said for us picking up a huge road win. And we certainly extremely extremely important for our fans and our fan face everybody down here at the Louisiana. They're very excited. And you know, it it made a statement that hey, we've got a we've got a good basketball team kind of confirmed our team. Hey, where's where's good? As we think we are. And we've got to keep moving forward with put ourselves in in a good position. But we certainly got to keep improving get better if we want to continue to before from this and not just have have it as a one shot deal. Yeah. Coach I'm just guessing at practice today. The message was was moving on because there's a lot left in the season, including Georgia this week Tennessee coming up here in a week or two and so many other tough games tournaments. How do you or is it pretty easy for you to turn the page with your with your guys? Well, we've been we've been pretty pretty good all year about that. And I like Dr guys attitude today. I like the way we way we went about our business film today. We certainly didn't play perfectly against Kentucky, and we had some areas that we need to do dress. Correct. Particularly with our transition defense and the way we closed out the first half to put ourselves that eight point player they point deficit and then some of our miss checkouts lead to their offense of rebounds, particularly in the first half. So we address those and and then we've moved onto Georgia had had a solid practice today. And so, yeah, I feel like you know, you almost got to confirm what you did against against Kentucky and follow it up with another tough as easy road game and try to win another as you see wrote broke game at at Georgia. So I mean, if you beat big Kentucky lose Georgia. It's pretty much a wash. So we've got to you know, we've got to prepare the right way. Prepare extremely hard. Stay hungry. And and understand that we're going to get a lot of teams best shots. Now. We've got we've got a raise our level of play to sustain take the other teams by shot. I guess coach whether you like it or not as maybe getting tested as good to road games back to back. This time of the year may not be palatable on one level. But it gets you ready for what is to come. Would that be fair? Absolutely. No, absolutely. I mean, if you to to gonna win at BART's, you're gonna have to win a lot of games away from home, you know, on Dutreuil courts in tournament setting. And sometimes those tournament settings turned into virtual road games, depending on where you end up end up going. So you've gotta be tough. You gotta be good on the road. So we really try to stress. Our guys defense rebounding and drawing fouls is what travels so we've got fend. We're going to win the rebounding violent. We got to win the free-throw battle every night, particularly on the road. And we could do that. We'll give ourselves, you know, we'll give ourselves opportunities to to continue to be successful in wind tough road games. Coach there were some signs last year of this program turning around. But then you brought in an amazing recruiting class, which I know helps the cause for those who may be a little bit late to the party in. And I my friend, Tim Brando has made this point over and over again, how your team is not getting enough respect that that will certainly start happening a lot when you win. Rupp? But but for those who have not followed the story as closely as as maybe some how have you made this amazing transformation? Well, I mean, we've, you know, we've we've we've just laid a groundwork with got we've got go players in the we've got we've got good players has kind of gotten him for a little bit of everywhere. We've we've we inherited some good players from Johnny Jones, particularly some of the kids we played with last year and Schuyler maze. Who's, you know, one of our leading scores this year and just a very very steady guard. We're able to sign a a really good player last year from water started for every game as a freshman at point guard and was very very good freshman point guard for the first team all CC freshman. He's he's really grown up and he played at a high level last year, and he's playing even higher level this season that we add it, you know, a talented group of of of four freshman, and then we had a transfer who was sitting out last year from org. Vicks eleven kiddies kid who tipped the ball in kevelj big b Williams, and he did a great job in the off season in his off year of developing. And then we added a junior college kid late Marlin Taylor who starts force. She's just a big athletic big athletic wing. And and somebody that we just saw a really good fit for system visited us visited New Mexico state, San Diego State at one like his recruitment was was was all over the place. And we felt like he was a good fit for our system, and a very very good defender, and he turned out to he turned out to be that for sure. So you know, we were we've we've it's been a gradual gradual climb gradual build, hopefully, we can we can keep it going. Maybe before you go I would like to get some some thoughts on on your observations of of the there was quite an article done the other day in the athletes about the absolutely transformation of this league last year with eight teams. Tournament seven or eight or already projected for for now. This is your second tour, but you're you've seen it all and certainly Tuesday night being the crowning moment. Your observations on the SEC in basketball. I mean, that's phenomenal. You know, there's there's great players all over league. There's great great coaches. You know, everywhere the league and you look at where the league is this year. You know, we're going to get, you know, probably seven bits or maybe a few more than that seven or eight again again this season, it'd been it just look at the bottom of our league right now. Those teams, you know, if you have zuri with porter. Yeah. You had Darius garland back to Vanderbilt, and then obviously had my Gilder, but you've got three all league caliber players that are out for the season on those teams. And and and you know, I don't think that's getting talked about enough. How good those teams have had you know, would have been with those with those. Guys to continue the death of the league. But no, everybody's got very very good players. Everybody's well coached every night. You know, anybody anybody can beat anybody. So I think it's going to be no last year. I think we had a lot of pretty good teams in the league. And I think that kinda showed out the target this year. I think we've got somebody league teams some really really good teams. I think we're going to have you know, you know, two three four teams probably advanced to that second weekend. Probably get a team that goes goop goes well timber too. If it goes well past that so think the league's Bill for for really good really good March. And now it's our time to to make an apple well, coach, congratulations. Again, I know you're heading to Athens Saturday night. But what an exciting exhilarating game to watch for just the casual fan like us. Thanks for coming on. And we do hope to see you very soon best wishes. Thanks for having me on. We'll we'll see you guys in Nashville for the tourney. I can't wait to see a, thanks. Thanks coach. Really great to have you. Thank you. For listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum show airs weekdays on the SEC network beginning at three eastern. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. 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And all and i promise that we are going to have great fun going forward here talking about sports and great fun was sort of the operative guiding principle that i had is i considered who wanna be my guest as i moved to this new timeslot. Well as no one more fun. I think in this entire industry right now than my friend pat mcafee who hosts the pat mcafee show which is appropriately named and he joins me. Now on the goodyear hotline. Happy new year pat. Mcafee your green. It is an absolute honor to be your first but fried passion then patron tree of college. Football lives here. This is the paul finebaum. Show our podcast law from we. Welcome you back. We started the day talking to eddie. George new coach tennessee state and our final hour begins with seth. Walder who has also been the topic of conversation here for three hours when we began the program we shared with you his fps rankings. And he is now here live in living. Hd to attempt to explain it steph. Great to have you on him before we start going through this. I think it's important to let the audience know you didn't roll out of bed this morning and come up with these things. There is a system to it. And how how do you arrive at at the these rankings. Yeah no our statisticians have been working hard on this for quite some time but the model incorporates a whole bunch of different factors right. You're talking about reason history for teams. You're looking at who is coming back. What kind of production are they returning looking at. Whether their head coach is backed obviously provide stability. And you're looking at recruiting not just last year or the year before but for the last four years to determine how much talent is on the roster you look at all those things you put it together and that's how we arrived at our predictions for what's going to happen in two thousand twenty one so there's a lot to ask you. I don't want to bury the lead. The lead starts at the beginning and headed alabama and up. Number one yeah. I don't think it's a surprise to most people. Some folks maybe feel like wait. They lost mack jones. Devante smith on wild patrick. Certain the list goes on. But it's still alabama. And i don't mean that from the sense of the name brand of the team but i just talked about. How can the talent that you have on the roster. The recruiting no team can replace talent quite like alabama over the last four years. They have seventy seven top. Espn top three hundred recruits. That's eleven more than any other team in the country. So even though they're losing all this talent you just know that the players on this team are going to be able to perform. And so that's why we make alabama number one. That's why they're an odds on favor to win the sec. About seventy six percent chance to reach the playoff in a thirty one percent shot to win the national championship. So they are the favourite though. Of course that's still leaves sixty nine percent for other teams to win the national championship. If i read your your ranking correctly and i never have been able to in the past. But it looks like lincoln riley. Oklahoma team is next. Why yeah this. I think is going to be lincoln. Riley best shot yet here so i just talked about alabama's ability to replace talent. But they're really the exception of the rule. The thing you want to have going into the season of course is a returning quarterback in a good returning quarterback and oklahoma has and spencer rattler. And they're able to do it in a year where you're catching clemson and ohio state without doubt ability obviously oklahoma's going to have an explosive offense. But this is a team to that also had a top five defense inefficiency last season. We think it's gonna take a little bit of a step back this year. But it's still not going to be a huge liability. You pair that with an excellent offense at least what we predict and we think that oklahoma has a twenty six percent chance to win the national championship. Their chance to reach the plan is almost as high as alabama seventy three percents quite on that level. But i do think that oklahoma legitimate contender. Fbi's kind of planning its flag on oklahoma this year and last year we saw texas am nipping at a playoff. Berth of florida wasn't far away until the sec. Championship game georgia never quite materialize. What about this year. Yeah i think that am is probably a big threat. If we're looking at who's a threat to alabama am we have ranked the highest we have. Am six in that group. There and in fact the alabama am regular season contests. That is the game that we have is the highest impact on the playoff race of any scheduled game. Not just in the sec. But across the country this year we give alabama sixty five percent chance to win that game. But you just don't see a lot of games where alabama only as a sixty five percent shot to win so edema of threat but georgia's more likely to win the sec than a because they're in the opposite division we have them ranked seventh or sixty nine percent. Chance to win the sec. I will say this. I'm a big believer our models. But if there's one team that maybe we are underrating. I can see an argument for georgia because of jt. Dangerous the way they finished last season he only played four games so it's not going to have a huge impact on the model that way but if you believe what we saw last year was the real deal then maybe we would be underrating. George i would think that would be fair. Chef walter with the epa chef. Usually a surprise team is maybe somebody who's right outside of our stream of consciousness. But this one. I must tell you. I'm still on the floor trying to figure out. Mississippi state in the top ten. Please explain while you're not alone. I got these rankings. Probably ten days ago. And you're kinda going down the list. Okay see alabama clemson. You see ohio state. Whoa mississippi state right there. It blew me away two okay. And there's a few different things going on but i stand first and foremost. This is absolutely shocking mississippi state. I don't think anyone thought of as being in the top ten so well. Here's what's going on number one. Their defense they finished eighteenth in defensive efficiency last year. If that surprises you remember that we are accounting for opponents strength. You play in the sec. It's going to look a little bit worse than it. Really is They have. They're bringing back a lot of experience in the secondary so we think that defense is actually going to take a step up this year. But the offense i understand. There's a huge question because the offense was not good no matter what you adjust for. And here's what's going on. It's a little counterintuitive. But if you have. A quarterback has a lot of experience or you have a quarterback that got experience early in their career. Those players that have a decent shot to take a big job next season. Mississippi state has two of those jack abraham and will rogers and. You're just looking for one of them. Really just what the one of them can make that leap and we think there's a decent shot that they do so in that can really elevate that offense you add in that they've been solid recruiting top twenty five last year according. Espn top twenty five year before that just outside the top twenty five year before that. That doesn't put you on par with alabama's the georgia's but compared to the rest of the country. They're they're recruiting is solid. You can put that all together and we get mississippi state a. I do want to just say one thing here. There's a difference between rankings and projections we arse predicting mississippi state to the eighth best team in the country however that also makes them the fourth. Best team in the sec. They play very hard schedule. A lot of very good teams and so when we project the season even as good as we think they are going to be. Our projection from mississippi state is about eight and four. And so. that's what i think he's you fans should calibrate. What we're seeing is that we're saying we think mississippi state is gonna be a lot better this year and that's gonna equate to an eight and four season. Eight and four would be considered good. But is that really going to get you in the top ten. I know i know you're projecting but no no no. That's a fair question is not going to get you like in the top. Ten of the ap poll right. Because we know that in a people. If you lose you're going to go down if you win you go up. It's just poll logic but but what. Fbi is trying to do is not not predict the top. Tanner ap top twenty five. It's starting to say what is your true level of ability. How good are you literally. It thinks mississippi state is literally the eighth best team though that would translate to an eight and four record against their schedule. Does that make sense. You have iowa does and i know a lot of people are clipping this interview so mississippi state in your mind is not forgetting your mind in in the projections. Mine is the third best team in the west correct. Exactly yeah. I mean there are the best team in the country but the third best in their division. That's right joy head of lsu auburn and others to say okay. Let's get you the another surprise here. And that's iowa state yeah. This one was kind of like a milder version of what i described. Mississippi state definitely opened my eyes. I wasn't expecting to see them in the top four. I think it's kind of like a mild version of what i described with oklahoma in that they're bringing back brock purdy in a lot of things go right for them. Last year. i wrote a story at the end of last season. Saying iowa state didn't deserve to be in the playoff conversation. But i think when when this year when they're bringing back the talent that they are including hertie and again same sort of deal where you have ohio state and clemson without a returning quarterback. I think i was taking a threat and projections wise. They're particularly in a good spot. I think because the big twelve doesn't have divisions they're going to have a tough game against oklahoma but they can afford to lose that still into the big twelve championship game could potentially maybe win that game. Be a one loss champion and get into the playoffs. So i do think that i was state is a real legitimate threat to get into the playoff and forty-one funding. It's forty one percent chance there. That's that's very real. We can give them a fourth best shot to win the national championship. I think they are surprise team this year in a good way and that would be putting both oklahoma and i were state from the big twelve. You you also seem to like to see say you meeting the projections. Sec ninety five percent chance of getting in but you also give them a realistic shot up getting to schools in. Yeah we're used to. We're used to in the preseason and oftentimes very much in the season seeing sec. Have a real chance of put two teams in just the talent and the conference whether you have two teams coming out of the west. One am only losing alabama who wins the wins the sec championship. Or maybe alabama georgia off. And they're both undefeated going into the sec championship game. There's a lot of ways that you can imagine the scc getting two teams in like you just alluded to we do the big twelve. Actually it's feasible because of oklahoma in iowa state and the lack of divisions. We think it's a battle one in four chance that their their conference that puts two teams in here. The thing about the graphic that you're seeing on your screen right here the stands out the most to me though is that we give the pac twelve just to six percent shot to put team in the playoffs and paul. Every year i'm used to having a doom and gloom segment on the pac twelve and why. Fbi doesn't like them but it's never been like this. I mean we only have one pack twelve team in the top twenty five. That's oregon both of the best teams. Oregon and usc have a really rough out of conference game against ohio state or notre dame respectively. And so it really just puts the conference in a bind. It's just very hard to get that conference into the playoff. Given those circumstances well. I thought this would be more difficult than it was when i first saw this this morning. But you answer the questions quite eloquently said. Thank you for coming on as all this we have another projection before the season starts or is this the final one now. We'll probably we'll probably have another one. We do anticipate because of the weird year the extra eligibility there could be a little more shifting between now and august and they're usually is so we'll we'll check back if anything changes will let you know so. Mississippi state could end up in the top five chef. Thank you very much for being with us. Great to have you on. We'll talk about that. We've been talking about it for hours quite extraordinary but it also means that we're getting relatively close to the beginning of the college football season. We will take a break and get back to your phone calls right after this. You're listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast do you own or rent your home. Sure you and. I bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. 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How are you judge paula. Man it's been a while doing great. Yeah fascinating interview with seth there on the rankings and use us statistics. I kept thinking though Two things that i wanted to sort of lay out to you. And get your opinion on one was where's notre dame and then secondly While those numbers salot I don't see anybody beating alabama without a quarterback playing it of elite left So maybe you're almost how to double check in and notre dame but but i tend to agree with you. And i think that's really been the history of the playoffs for the most part ohio state went down to its third quarterback in twenty in notre dame is eleventh by the way. But you do all though. Let me say this. So jay coker won the national championship for alabama against your clemson team. Six years ago and by no means was she. An elite quarterback forty five forty. But but my. But that's that's i said anybody alabama. No you're right is yeah. I think alabama is be team. Let's think about it. The dish without a league. Shawn watson b. alabama and lawrence. Yeah so you're right. By the way. I was watching a rerun tonight. Who who ran the ball into fake field goal. Try in the The the alabama loss to trevor lawrence. That game i don't remember me. I do remember that maggie jones. Okay i did not realize yeah By the way. I think he's going to be tremendous. I think he's got all the pluses early like watching that game. Don't you well a story. Who would have thought it. Hey thank you for being a good listener and being there for everybody During during still continuing difficult time journey. Puerto guys to a lot of people and include me judge. Thank you all the best to you and hope to see you in all right great to you. Peter peter is up next in california. Hoa peter eyeball I appreciate your show like it. A lot of college. Football fan and california. Which is you know. I'm not a normal person. Apparently i mean just being a college football fan in california But what i'm calling about is the person who called recently about how mask wearing and covert re ruining college. Sports and i just want to. I just want to put out to people that. I am fifty. Nine year old man. I had covid in a year ago. I am still feeling really about effects from it. I can't breathe. I can't. I'm just my work. Cut down on and the gentleman was talking about being bad and michigan having the worst rates. But what. I'd have to remind people that population density has a lot to do with it and if your state has more people obviously you're going to have a higher rate and the state i live in has some three thousand more people than live in canada so that has to be kind of factored in when people think will. My state is safe but others aren't and the fact that he said the mouse squaring. Is you know contributing it. I just had to take peter You know i. I gave up a long time ago. Battling the covert issue on the show. Because you're generally said you're very good. Listen well i think you have the you have a personal story that that is significant. But i think debate about certain things that he mentioned are long past. What people do. I mean i don't mean to be cavalier about it because i never wanted to go through what you went through. And fortunately i didn't. But i think you know when when somebody calls in and says the thing repetitively repeatedly and is repetitive. Then clearly we can discern from that that he has an agenda and clearly. His agenda was He's angry about covid well. Nobody's happy about it. Yeah i agree. I'll speak for you. Say i wish to had never heard the name. And we're we're we're still not back to where we were but the good news is that we are. We are seeing some light. And that's the important thing. Yes we yes we are and i think it has to do with Multiple factors Testing vaccinations and people's awareness. And you know wanted to take care of others as well as themselves. But peter thank you you a year ago. There were there. Were people like our friend a minute ago. Who were saying the same thing. And a lot of us disregarded those the admonitions of the professionals and we got. We got in big trouble. Yeah so I'm just calling to First of all as the caller right before said you're good listener I don't suffer fools gladly. You are doing admirable job. And i also wanted to say. I didn't call last spring. When all of the protests were going on and i thought that you addressed what was going on admirably. Thank you peter. I will say. I think almost anyone else who was sat or sits in these positions that was on top of covert one of the most haunting times that i can ever remember because the answer that would have been right a year or two earlier or five years earlier was not applicable after that and never will be again. I grew up outside of chicago. And the neighborhood i lived in was what you could consider affluent. The neighborhood i live directly next to was. Would you consider poor. I mean within a block or two. But i was friends with everyone in so i just. I grew up in that environment of acceptability and You know care for your neighbors and all out. And i'm glad some people are kind of like waking up to that a little bit more just paying lip service is one thing but to live. It is another well peter. I do hope that you're the next time we talk. And hopefully that will be soon you are. You are doing better. But you are an example of of the downside of this virus. Ub take care of yourself. Thank you sir. I just got my first shot my next couple of weeks. That is great news especially in california. Thank you yeah. I talked to a friend of mine. California today was still trying to get it for his mother. That is up next. Hey bath go right ahead. We're doing great. Hey i wanted to before. I start my story. You know i'm in birmingham and followed you from the post herald is right. Yo i love. I've always loved your column. Thank you and what i want. They weren't seven gone. I think his name was michael. Talking about bear brian. Ken donahue okay. Now i think you are around the same age. I don't know. But i don't know if you you probably don't remember this because you were probably my around my age b- daddy used to go to the tub wiler hotel to something called smokers right. Get rid of that. I've heard of the to- wiler but not. By the time. I got to birmingham already shut down now. Of course i remember when it came back later. yeah it did and I my mama. I had a sister two years older. I wanted to kick us out of the house. Their daddy would take us to they. call the smokers. I don't know why and it. It was probably just a bunch of alabama football fan and for some reason. I don't know why Ken donahue was there. And we were in the birmingham news. Not on the know. Nothing like the front page but the picture was a al. Never forget the cavs. Did coach has pre listeners. Prettier not funny but In birmingham and i think my mother probably still has a picture from news somewhere around here. That is a bet. Thank you for remembering that. I used to be a sports sportswriter. It means a lot of the things you never thought you would appreciate later on. We were heading to a break mortgage phone calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five thirty minutes remaining eventful day on this program. We're back after this listening to paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back fondled. Thirty minutes and you can still get into day five five three four two seven two eight five and let's check out josh. Who is up next. Hello josh how you doing. Well thank you my question. I just wanna say something funny. You were talking earlier about a story about brian. you know. we're talking about young listeners. Throughout marriage and i thought it was funny as a twenty twenty year olds aren't listen then calling in and we'll go to here for a minute. When i was talking to my friend up in philadelphia i thought you had to be on social social security to get in I'm here though. She got twenty year. Old right to hear So i was gonna ask you a question. Give it a little bit of my two cents and shut up. That's all right with you. Of course i am so. Lsu twenty twenty football season. That was a one on or kind of Something to worry about. In the future of think it was It's a little bit of a one off but still there were cracks. That were worrying quitting beddoes. Ron mentioned in the press conference that he didn't even interview anyone and that was a worrying to me. I don't know. I don't think that there That that's their ceiling. But you know. I think that that's not their floor. Exactly but i'll shut up. Let you josh you just. I'm glad you brought that out. Because when i heard what i said there was dumbfounded. I understood the context in a cove year but making that statement particularly after making one of the worst hires in college football last year by bringing bill polian almost as if he was doubling down on that and he knew pollini of course but that was really the issue. I mean for forgetting the obvious that you know he had to compete with arguably the season in college football history in on top of that he loses jomar shays. But i think i agree with you. I think it was a one off but there are some very bizarre clouds surrounding that campus. And it has nothing to do with on the field but all this off the field stuff you wonder what impact if any it will have. Oh yeah oh yeah definitely. It's it's worrying. But i don't think i i don't know if they can get back. I don't know if anyone can really get to where they were. Twenty nine theme. You know probably and i think would always bothered me last year. A little bit was always. You're on selling the message that they were going to be great and yeah reasonable. People knew they were not going to be but that is his nature. And i think i think it can be infectious and you know he really believes himself and bob by all means he should. I love watching them when. Yeah i i think the one thing that you have to be concerned about. If you're an lsu fan is you all you already have alabama and florida every year on the schedule and i'm going to say something very obvious. Now you have texas. Am you already own. You already had texas am but not this texas am. I think people have been underwriting. Texas ada for too long. I think this year they were really great. And i think i called in during the season earlier and talked a little bit about how am actually much better than their credit. Or yeah i think what happened. Is we focus way too much on. What jimbo fisher hadn't done and miss the fact that he was building a major contender. Also your site constantly under the shadow of alabama but ran You know maoz on out of auburn. Especially the i mean you know other other things. But you're i. I think the malzahn firing is going to be one of those you put in your back pocket and come back to a couple of years ago. Was that the right decision or did they realize what they're doing wrong. Hey thank you for calling great to hear from you. Thank you good morning. John she call again now that we know you're twenty let's Let's talk to matt. Who is up next. Hey matt go right ahead. Hey good afternoon can you hear me. Yes we got called in earlier. I really sympathize with That was you know. Struggling with a coronavirus issues. And such. And i think the thing that i think it saying that That we can take away from this year. It's been a tough here is that is that you know our our country you know. We all need to be able to practice own forms of medicine in practice our own Health health practices. Whatever that they may be whether you think that they're right or whether you think that they're they're wrong or whether you think that. Your health practices are dangerous or whether minor the best that that should be. Our country should be the one country that says you know what you're free to believe what what you want to instead we have the cdc partnering with the indies ncwa. Saying that There there's only one truth this is what's going on. This is the only true you must do this. And you can't do otherwise. I mean it's I just think that maybe the nc double a. should disassociate themselves from any health organizations and ally and be nonpolitical. And let people do what they want. Thank you thank you for the call. Let me explain the double. Has its own team of advisors And that's that's how they came to that conclusion. The cdc is not is not the final word. The cdc makes recommendations. And thank you for the call Show i understand everybody's frustrations about the last thirteen months. I mean you know. We're all in a bizarre place And we've been through something that most of us have never been through before but the hope is that we never see it again and these issues that people are talking about are going to be in the past. Thank you for the call. Really appreciate it. Let's check out joe in tennessee. Hello joe go right ahead. Yeah our. I was just going to reminisce. Third taste something funny. I got a chance spill. How widely hers. Oh and he asked me he said. How'd you get me. And i played in little league so therefore they didn't have very many scouts and So i was talking to him and basketball. I looked in the yellow pages. I got him and then He's i told him. I said i got a lot pitch left handed. And i said i Got a slow natural curve. all of in and that's season back in the sixties pension season. That's all i'd like to see that everything is set up. You know there and then he asked me. He said Might away how old are you. I told him. I said i'm forty years old turned around. Paul hated all you always. He'll but i thought his journey domain. He's time the ultimately bet is amazing. He was a legend or twenty. All anything cars doing good. I'm still favorite and cardinals. Thing and tennessee balls in but anyway i appreciate the time i wanted to tell you joe. Thank you for sharing that. That is a very funny story. I grew up the remember him very well. Let's check in with mike who's up next. Hello mike mike. Their company tells me. Mike is not there. How about john in texas. Good afternoon john. You're on the air a follow our. You know it's funny. I was just listening to that story about tennessee. And i i remember advocate. I was eleven years old. Medi johnny majors and kingsport tennessee. And he says you know boy he must be a big fan i said. No i'm an aggie cheryl. And he said what the hell's wrong with you. Johnny lights drink a little bit little bit. Funny yeah but but i was just gonna ask you. What's disappointing to me. And i wanna get your take on. This is why so many young people are leaving for the nfl without the grades to leave for the nfl. So y you know we. We lost a bunch of players. This year that i think we could've us next year. Although we're going to be damned. I can answer your question very easily right now. John outlets unscrupulous agents are doing this. They are feeding this information into players. Heads either directly or indirectly. Because i i can tell you. Flat out that nick sabin and jimbo fisher and kirby smart and dan mullen are giving these players honest evaluations and i know some will say well. They're trying to keep them on campus. They're not going to. they know they have. They have to have integrity because these guys talked to other guys so they give them they give them a very honest evaluation that they had gleaned from other people but agents are the worst. And i'm not talking about the top flight agents. I'm talking about the street. Agents i know. How do we stop that. That has been a debate for back in the nineties. several states including alabama. I lived there at the time. Tried to prosecute agents and some of them were prosecuted successfully. But for the most part. There's not an appetite for this reason when you consider all the stuff that is currently going on in the world in communities. It's hard to get it's to get people fired up about going after someone who may have slipped a player five hundred dollars or a thousand or more and in the end they usually get away with it. Yeah but if you don't get drafted sheeting terrible out to come back. Well it the college college basketball. Has i think the best just a more. You can test it. You can't remember how many days you have but you can. You can announce and then you have a you have a limited amount of time to reverse your decision but in football once you once you declare. It's pretty well over. Yeah you're right. We are officially out of time for this program. We appreciate all of you for being a part of it Some really interesting guests Today we'll see you right here tomorrow. Thank you for listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast the paul finebaum. Show airs weekdays on the sec network. Beginning at three eastern. This adrian orgeon housekeeper. Check out my podcast. The world with insight and analysis on the stories in the nba adrian forging asking our insider extraordinary reaction breaking news. This is the latest roads bomb an deaf conversations with some of the biggest names in the league. Thanks again i'm good. Thanks for having me on. Yes thank you always appreciate you me. Listen subscribe to the wolves wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Hour 2: 10/24/18

"The. The pride passion and patterns of college football leaves here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Our to podcast. We welcome. You back. Glad you're all. Here's been pretty entertaining shows so far on this Wednesday. We're not done yet. A lot of conversation going, and we'll continue that conversation. Drums next. How are you? Doing great jerem. What you talk about that Todd tie. Being polite. You know, I really don't care. You know, we do what we do. People about my bed. Hey, pal as they say. Changed as you people bomb. They allow state dam Ryan you will. Tara's on trees. Well, why don't be too? Nothing. Tall. Has been at twenty thousand dollars trees time rivers, I three well. Much. And. That november. They cry. It ain't and they cry like a newborn crappo 'cause they know by the time was he come. If I dangle fucking giving daytime TV's, you wanna kill me, come down distort. We just started this year Powell. Today about a MAC I've mixed speed coming to make they quit win five. We don't quit when you're quit. Yeah. I'll stay up kicking. What y'all? Taking orbit and we continue with an EMMY step out of the club. Nothing. Stop to open third town have good day. Trae is up next. Right. Welcome to the program. Good afternoon. Hey, mister, I'm how are you today quite well. Thank you very much. I was an official for thirty eight years, not football, but basketball, and I I would like to explain some things to these people out there, we fishes we work hard dislike athletes. Do we we we work out during the summer? We have to go to certain amount of camps. We have to go to certain amount of clinics. We have to do certain amount of film study. If you wanna move up in the officiating you have to get things. Right. And you know, when you get to the level when you're on an LSU Mississippi State game you want to move up. You wanna call an SEC championship game. You wanna call a ballgame. Maybe final four if you blatantly miss call. Or are you like you're trying to be one Saturday or another? You're not moving up as. As a matter of fact, they take gains from you. If you don't do your job and when the gains Rover, you sit and you're you're critiqued on every single play during that game. And then as an official yourself because you have pride in yourself, you sit and you go back, and he watched that gain yourself to say where you could have been better at so to sit there and just take the what these officials go through. And the study they go through and the work they go through in me, something to them personally. So I'd just like to stand up for the officials let everybody know what they really go through. And they're just not thrown out the on the field. Make a call the might affect a game two weeks from now. Thank you, Paul. Thank you very much. Bryan in Miami on the air gerrad ahead. Mister wham. Bam. Thank you for taking my call. Thank you. I just wanted to touch on the targeting, you know, from LSU game. I know you've had a couple of cows by this week. But it had me thinking about the game at the next level. You know, the NFL that buddy wait rule they've gotten seems like guys really don't know how to pursue the the sack or whatever nowadays. And so would that being said, do you see that trickling down into college football? Maybe. And also if you're a college coach from how do you develop your players while you're teaching to go the next level was wrong. Apparently. Well, listen, if you're a college coach, Bryan, you, you know, exactly what the rules. Are you? Bring officials in you bring people into help you understand. And then you disseminate that to your team you don't worry about anything else. Other than what the rules are of the game. You're you're you're currently coaching. Thank you, very very much Aaron in Tennessee, go right ahead. How are you? Good. Aaron thank you. Appreciate you taking my call on the longtime listener first-time actually getting through to you. So I'm excited to talk to you. Thank you very much. I've got a couple of comments here that I'd like to get your your feedback on. I I don't think that there's any whatsoever. Conspiracy theories for or agendas by the the replay official in Birmingham by the director of the -ficiating for the unknown. But there with me here in the NBA Dazs like Braun and Kevin Durant. And Steph curry the big name the big players. They get the benefit of the doubt on foul hall all the time, which agree. I would agree to a certain degree. Yes. Right. So what I'm what I think is that there's no one out there with an agenda. But I do think that because of the stature of Alabama and their recent success the last decade now, I guess, but their recent success, they get the benefit of the doubt in a lot of calls. I think that if absurd to think that Devon white was ejected from that game. So that he couldn't play for the first half an ala Bama game. And I think if you believe that you're being ridiculous. But I do think that Alabama gets the benefit of the Dow. On a lot of situation in the game. They get and I know they're better players. And so they don't they don't have to commit as many penalties. But if you look at it, I mean, the number of penalties they get called on them versus other teams when they're playing against them. Specifically, it's it's it's unbelievable. The difference is more than triple and quadruple in some games. And we know that they could probably call holding on every play on both sides of the ball. But it just seems like Alabama gets those calls fewer times. I don't know if that's true or not I think greatness in in many ways, you are given the benefit of the Dow, but. I say again, these officials only care about one thing what's happening on the field. They they don't have the time to start analyzing. This is Alabama versus Mississippi State. The winter this gay. I mean, they're just calling the play on the as it goes on just like any professional would. And I I'm a broken record on that. But I I do believe it Jay is in DC, you're on the air. Hey, paul. Thanks, very much taking my call great show thing longtime listener, and sometime caller just want to discuss a couple of things that you've been discussing the last couple of days. I I may die hard volunteer fan. And so for anybody listening no conspiracy in this conversation, go Vall, but listen, if you wanna beat Alabama you gotta put better football teams on the field this past Saturday in the first quarter. They had two hundred seventeen yards. We had six so for those who don't understand that. They went up and down the field more than two times. We didn't move from the twenty to thirty. So if you wanna beat Alabama don't blame you fficials don't blame the C offices in Birmingham. Get better players out coach them develop them and then beat him on the field. That's what we have to do. Alabama is better than everybody else in the SEC. Don't blame anybody else. They're just better than all of us right now. And it shows on the field. Well, said thank you very much. Joe is in Atlanta Hella, Joe. Good afternoon. Hey, Paulus get away from collusion for just a minute. I wanna tell you true story about going down to university of Florida on happen to me, this is many many years ago, but I was on the cross country team for Georgia State University in Atlanta, and we had a match down there at the university of Florida into tweed never been there before the captain their team walked to surround through the swamp which we had run around four times during the race. And he was showing the swear to go. And all of a sudden, it's snake ran across the pant in front of me. And I said there's a snake, and he looked back and said don't you have snakes in Georgia? And I say sure, we do, but we don't usually run with them walk in a little bit further in the swamp, and it was a big black law right there at the age of the water, and all of a sudden it turned over and slapped its tail not said that's an alligator not allowed. And he turned around said Doug, do you think? That's why they call us. The Florida Gators will anyway, as we ran now, I weigh two hundred sixty pounds on the cross country team, which is unusual. So I was the last man on the team. But all I had to do was beat one. Man, we go into the swamp, and I'd be running last place. We'd come out of this walk, and I'd be in first place. Now, here's the question. Paul. Do you think there was collusion between those womp animals and then university of Florida? Yes. I do. All right. Thank you, Paul. And know, for fact, we're going to short break here. David polical, join us collusion, David Pollack or not two words you ever hear in the same sense. We're coming right back. Listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back to the program. Glad all of you are here. Let's grab some more phone calls here and David in North Carolina. Hello, david. I do we're doing great. Thank you. In my call and. I wanna ask you question. Can you may hey, how good is the? I got the Washington this year almost hit a lot of Missouri is a very difficult team. And I I respect them. They had a punishing loss at South Carolina, which I think really hurt them. They've also played Florida. They played Georgia Alabama, which will rearrange your rearrange your face. Any take of the week. Thanks for the call will come back to that question in a minute right now. Violating express either ready. David Pollack, always great to catch up with David good afternoon. Thanks so much for being with us you. Yeah. You always see headlines on Twitter, and you go, what's what's the guy really talking about? And I think you may know where I'm going. There was a pickup of something. You said yesterday that Clemson has a better chance of getting to the playoff than Alabama. And before anyone reacts to that. I'd like you to at least explain. No, it's not like clip for taking us that context ever seen that before. Yeah. We had to pick between the two of those that we felt like the best chance. And listen, I said with hurts. He know being now having surgery in to having a knee like you have a problem where you say, maybe, they're ding. Maybe they're even that brings them down to the level. And you gotta look at Clinton's rest of the schedule and Alabama's rest of the schedule. Alabama's obviously is a lot harder. They gotta play in L S U, obviously, a tough place play the SEC champion, which is going to be pretty good this year again. So, you know, their road to the to being undefeated to me as a heck of a lot harder than Clinton back Alabama, though. And you you raise some really salient points quarterback play has been brilliant. But there are some reasons to be uneasy, especially with hurt. So what you've seen so far versus what you think? We'll see a specially Intel issue. How does it change moving forward? Well, here's the thing. When you have an offense. Now, this is this isn't the old school offense that used to saying this is an RPO offense. This is the maximizing what the two can do. He's obviously sensational, and I think you know to the best pocket passer in college football. He can sit in the pocket and pick you apart. The reason to is the best player in college football. Definitely the best quarterback is because to also takes those Oskar place when everything's covered. And now he scrambles and to his right and then comes back to his left throws in the end zone duty. And you're like how the heck did he just do that? If you start taking those plays out of the mix, obviously, you know, that's a huge deal for for Alabama. That'd be a huge deal for anybody in the country. So I I'm more concerned with two injury than Jaylen. Jalen had surgery. Jalen is a backup quarterback that is going to get some time. But but not much Jalen, I don't think Jalen is. You know, he's not replaceable. He's not irreplaceable skews me, obviously to you can't replace that guy with anybody in college football. So he definitely have at least got guy. Paul got something to talk about. With Alabama shoot. And they're just curb stomp and everybody that they play. So this is actually something worth debating that might actually make them look somewhat human a great point. Let's talk about a game that I don't think we'll see a curb stopping we have in the past. But that's the Florida Georgia game. We've talked to various people about the importance of this game. And I know to you in any person who played in like you did it's extremely special. What makes it so different? Well, we went to the state fair a couple of weeks ago for game day. This is so unique to go into a stadium. So strange to see half one team half the other. And as a player, it was strange because you're there in Florida at this site and half red and black half, orange and blue and the offense is on the field for both sides and they're cheering for both sides. It's just it's it's so strange. But I mean, I I'll tell you this. When I grew up when I was getting crude I was gonna crude by these to go to the university of Florida and Steve Spurrier hated Georgia. And he made it known. He took jabs in shots and ran the score up every chance. He had an opportunity to do it in the South Carolina trying to do the same thing. So this rivalry is definitely always meant something to both fan bases to players. I can just tell you when I played at the university of Georgia. This was number one. Not number two. Not number three not kinda debatable between someone's this was the game every year all the fans pointed to I pointed to that. I gotta get this win because it means a little bit more. Yeah. We apparently have some video of your greatest hits highlight film from back then and you could pick out any game for David Pollack. But I think we're showing where are where are you on the field? You're you're just pushing the guy around on. I got a good one then because Florida had some good offense Alon. So we night Paul Paul. Does it have the worst play in college football history the worst officiated place? So Rex Grossman drops back the past Paul. They throw like ten screen passes on this on this drive there on the five yard line going in and on news. Another screen. I could feel it. I literally back up from defensive end. I'd jump up. I catch it one handed left handed snag the ball pulled into my body. Make mention of this please I'm a defensive lineman made three guys miss three that one two three guys miss which doesn't have very often. Literally rain at oxygen Paul about the die on the field. I was so Dag I'm tired. I turned hand the ball off to Sean Jones at the fifty yard line. He runs it for a touchdown. All the way back the rest called a forward lateral. Oh, the worst call in NC double A history that I've ever seen in a million years. No doubt about it. Couldn't stand that. It was a call. All but no it's that replay back then. So it really didn't matter couldn't overturn it. We lost the game thirteen to six the only loss of the season for us was that game. Otherwise, we could've played for a national title. But I'm not bitter, Paul. I'm not the least bit better I detected. I was thinking of that LSU fans may claim that the the call on Devon white. The other day was was of equal. Get your thoughts on that. As defensive player. What did you see when the refs targeted him horrible? I it's it's a bad call. I wish we had some kind of protocol that we can put in place to take some take take us a step back in where you can say literally look at that playing go is that really suspension worthy. I mean, we gotta find the difference between targeting with players safety and intent to hurt somebody. And some of that literally has contacted the face or to the face of the upper head with with hands. I thought the hands hit. I I didn't think it was violent at all. I'm not alone. I think everybody thought that was a horrible call. And now you just took took away LSU's. Best chance to stop, you know, Alabama. So now could be Twenty-one enough at the half before Devon white eating. It's entered the game next week, and that's just a huge blow. So if you're if you're game planning on the other side, I think you've you've alluded to your answer already. Do you do you? Are you more aggressive in the first half knowing he's not out there? I think that's pretty easy to answer. Well, here's the thing with Alabama. When you watch Alabama's opponents. They're scared to death of them. And they're scared to death of the speed on the outside because there is so many guys that can beat you. Here's the thing. LSU won't be scared, greedy. Williams will be up in press. Coverage. He will be up on press coverage on Judy in those easy throws those slants that are going eighty right now those are going to have to be over the top throws down the field. What's to can make? So I think LSU game plan is already to be exceptionally aggressive. This sounds really crazy. But we're at the point now talking about Alabama where I'm content with them running the football. If I'm doing RPO's, I'm staying back. They're gonna run our feels like they continue. Do I'm gonna play back. I'm gonna make them hand the ball. I know that sounds crazy because they've been a team that have handed off for years and years and years and really didn't wanna throw this Alabama from yesterday. This is Alabama with two and it's a different animal, and you've got to kind of pick your foisting talking to David Pollack. And before you go with me talk about the national playoffs. We started talking about that with Clemson. And obviously this weekend with Florida Georgia will help frame that conversation as you as you look at this game. Where do you see the? It's interesting. I think that Florida is finding themselves offense. I don't fear them necessarily. Like, I fear a lot of teams in college football. But I'll say this. I don't feel Georgia's offense either Georgia Georgia's offense, I feel like they kind of got away from what they do best. It's it's easy Paul when you look out why you see Meco Harmon, and you got Mr. Ridley. And I mean, you got so many weapons God went outside that that are that are playmakers. This team was really really great a year ago because they pounded you right in the face over and over and over in war you down I'm interested to see the offense of density. I think froms coming off of his worst game. I think Justin fields will be more in the mixed this week. I've been saying that all week and continue to say, I think this is the a big opportunity for him to get his feet wet and for Georgia fans for the country to really see if he's big time as we thought it was because I think he'll get some run. But defensively I think I think Florida's defense at the linebacker spot in the defense of line is better. I think overall probably defensively they're better. But I think Georgia's offense is a little bit better if they can stick to the ground games to that ground pound got them last year to the college football playoff Georgia can win this. Bog it David? Thanks for coming by great stuff. Really enjoyed it percent going to Bali joining us. And when we take a break our Wednesday man, Steph Walder will be joining us with some facts some stats, and who knows what else don't go anywhere. A long way to go. Listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Belinda Collins live on the scene of a recent hailstorm here to describe the events of bro. I was just hanging on the roof. When this gnarly storm starts dropping baseball sized hail. The shingles got beat up a few windows, broken who savage. Did you do anything to help? I was in survival. Your football can't help you in a hailstorm, but the gun go insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage cold gyco to see how a Ford -able homeowners insurance can be. So we are we're under a week now from the college football playoff reveal and south Walter joins us as he does every week to talk about the stats. Thanks so much. Let's talk a little bit about I the importance of one gain that we've been talking about a big a lot here. Just talked to David Pollack about it. And that's the Florida Georgia game. What's what's the consequence of other than the? What is this game mean to the college football playoff clearly the most important game for the playoff this week? And we actually have is the second most important game remaining for the rest of the regular season. Here. If Georgia wins this game it can put itself back kind of in the same ballpark as Michigan. We have Michigan right now in as a forty percent chance to make the playoff or so, you know, it's a tricky game for Georgia FBI still really likes the BULLDOGS hasn't as third best team in the country. And that's why it's a little more optimistic about them for Florida if they can get the win it would put them into contention stools along shot kind of the way, we treat LSU right now. Just because any path of the playoff likely involves a win over Alabama. So that's the tricky part, but you are a lot absolutely alive. The Florida would be if they can get a win over the BULLDOGS in Jacksonville, she has let's get to the bigger picture. And that's what we'll be talking about next week after the playoff. Reveal comes out. So wow state loses muddying the water somewhat. What did that loss mean to everyone else and really murky waters because all of a sudden now you have a slew of teams kind of in that twenty to forty percent range in moves. Michigan just mentioned probably into the most likely being the fourth most likely team to make the playoff. We now have Clemson Alabama Notre Dame, Michigan the foremost likely teams to make the playoff, and it's also the most likely combination fifteen percent chance those are the exact four teams in any order. But really a lot can happen. I think the interesting thing I'm gonna be looking for next week is how the committee handles ranking those one loss teams because you could go a lot of different ways there. And I think it's very close between some of those teams talking to south and Seth certainly one of the narratives before the season because of the way last season ended was SEC getting too. Schools after Georgia law. We started saying, well, maybe not because they had lost LSU loss. Lard had lost. What? Now, it seems. Like, maybe oh how getting beaten has improved the SEC's chances. Absolutely. No question about it. The SEC now is back over one in three chance to put two teams in the playoff who Hieaux state losing a big part of that. I think the thing that has has going for is that there's multiple ways you can make this happen. Probably their best chance would be. If Alabama is undefeated entering the SEC championship game and loses to a one loss, Georgia. We put that in a round of three and four shot that both those teams would get in. If that's the situation. But there are other ways it could happen. You could replace Florida with you can play with Florida in that situation. You can also look at what if LSU beats Alabama and the crimson tide end up eleven in one. And then it's either Georgia and Alabama or LSU in Alabama both getting. In those are a little bit less likely, you need other things to happen. But those all our different ways that it could happen. I'll say this though, the one thing the SEC definitely needs each and every week is to root against Notre Dame. Everytime. Notre Dame wins makes it less and less likely the SEC can put two teams in way that will not be difficult for us. I wouldn't think so you mentioned Alabama in LSU that would be next week story. But he it's hard to to miss the opportunity to talk a little bit about that after which you just got through saying give us an Oreo that game. And in obvious impact it has on the playoff. Here's the thing. I think is just really speaks volumes about Alabama situation. It's in if we say today that Alabama is going to lose LSU crimson tide would have a sixty percent chance to make the playoffs. Still is just a matter of being far and away the best team. And so you come away thinking about the committee's charter, even though they don't always follow it looking for the four best teams, Alabama. Basically always has that going for them. There's not really a loss. You can imagine where people would think well, this isn't the best team in the country. And so has got a great chance to get in even if it's eleven one if it's twelve and one no matter how you shake it out, Allah bama's in a really good. Spot. I'm sure the rest of the country just said, no, this cannot be true. Even without an SEC title again that would be the third time assuming all this happens that I'll ah Bama will have played for Taito without an SEC championship under. It's built. I know. It sounds crazy. But just think about what they've done this season. What they've shown the way that they not only one games blown teams out waiting onto it of have to play a full game. And but since you know, what people are saying they haven't beaten anyone really good. Yes, that's true that their strength of schedule is something that's going to be a topic of conversation. If they don't go undefeated. But I don't think that we're talking about the just the way that they have beaten teams is going to be the thing that is going to help them. It's true. I I understand that. But it's not like the other the middling teams in the SEC are Pac twelve teams. And also that the quality of the team the quality of the. The actual team. We would say FBI when most people would say I test that's unquestionable for Alabama that they are the best team in the country. Does Notre Dame have a path was a loss. I think. Yeah. I think they do I think they do. But it's not it's not a guarantee they can get in an eleven to one because I think I think that the committee will say that a team that didn't win. It's conference is going to be a little bit worse than a team like Notre Dame who doesn't have the opportunity to win a conference. It's not a lock you. You have to avoid situations where there's four one loss power five champions. If you're Notre Dame in that situation. But I do think that there's a pretty good shot that they would get in over. Let's say a two loss Oklahoma Texas team. I think a one loss Notre Dame team would have the edge on them. So let's say we get into a lot of one losses. Big twelve versus big ten. How do you? How do you measure that? I think if it's the big ten they probably have the edge. Here we go. Them better chance to put a team in the playoff. And I think especially if you're looking at Michigan the thing with Michigan is that they just had such a tough schedule that they would be able to point to that and say, hey, only one loss with that schedule. You've got to put us in. And I think that the committee would really consider Michigan schedule have doing that. I do think that Oklahoma just because of the I probably being a little bit better than the other big twelve teams. If you're the big twelve you're probably bet is to have Oklahoma be the champion. But I do think that the big ten is probably a little bit ahead in the pecking order right now. Pretty much every week. But we just had might Bianchi on who lives in Orlando who carries the baton and the and the and the the banner for UCF, they don't have any chance to they do not Paul. I mean plan for doctors opinion on this has not changed. I really don't think it's going to change UCF. If thinks it's extraordinarily unlikely that they can in the playoff. Here's the key thing about UCF. They didn't get in last year. They were undefeated, and they have an easier schedule this year. I mean, if you if it wasn't going to happen, then how can you do it? Now when they were actually would have had an easier road to to a twelve record kin favorite. Can you can you figure out a way to program the computer to tell you CF fans to shut up? That's a tricky one. I hear from them all the time. Good luck to you. Thanks trade tiffy. Computer talks some do. We'll take a break mortem five to four to seven to eight five. We are about halfway done here on a Tuesday. What is it Wednesday Wednesday? Right listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back. Glad everyone is here. Let's go to the calls in Hollywood is in South Carolina. Going paul. Thank you, take him a call. Thank you very much. I want to go on the Florida joy your daily politics right is game him me a lot to Gaito real gate of fan. I like land I say real gate of fan should be great game. I'm living forward to San Florida role in with up on Georgia. Whether we will Georgia, whether we go to ask you championship game or not. I don't care because we didn't take been threats, but we to beat George most important game on their schedule to me is beaten Georgia CLYDE to hear. Thank you, very much, John in Illinois. You're on the air. Go right ahead. John. Paul. Hi there. John good hear from you. About what the Phillies in the control room had to say, sure. The unique thing is that there is a way for you to get into the playoffs. Not easy. They would have to schedule Alabama LSU or our state where Oklahoma they beat them and went undefeated, they'd go in probably and people would say, well, gee whiz if they have to play well, John that's fair. You right. But and UCF has played two big teams in the past. They beat Alabama in the past. But not this year. They're scheduled just doesn't measure up and Bianchi was on earlier and talked about well when they scheduled North Carolina North Carolina was really good. Well, that's a that's a straw, man argument. Nobody's gonna believe that North Carolina's usually not very good football at least considering smack Brown. But. I don't mind UCF having a great celebration. And they should it's just the obnoxiousness of the athletic director down there. Danny white, the the pathetic groveling of people like the one the person we just heard makes people instead of you. And I saying, you know, what a great story. But celebrate it it it makes you it turns you off because they're fans of. And I've I've been I've been the subject of some of the things that they've done, and I'm not going to repeat them again on the air because I don't want to give them anymore ideas. But they're pretty vicious and pretty disgusting. Well, you know, Paul the funny thing is is still a Bianchi. His reasoning was so off face. He said, well the teams have an extra fifty billion dollars. Well, sure, they do. But the point is not how much money you have to spend. That's how good your team is. Yeah. That argument doesn't work because Tennessee's storied program and they're struggling, and they they have all the money from the SEC network and the college football playoff. I mean. That's just a ridiculous argument. And I'm yeah. I don't know what happened to Bianchi. He he's he's just bought into the UCF hype train, and he's not the only one, and again, I don't want to deal with those people anymore because they're not relevant to what we talk about. Here. Every day. They have a nice program. They're in a good league. But they're not part of the college football playoff conversation. And I don't think they're going to be anytime in the first future. One hundred percent, right. Paul the other good team. They should be proud of himself. But then at the same time the fans and the athletic people on their face thinking that they're getting gypped because they're not supposed to be in the top four. That's just ridiculous. Well, done John always great to hear from you Bill is in Rochester. And you're on the air. Hey, bill. Did after noon, Paul. Thank you for taking my call. Thank you. I don't I don't think there's a better nickname for nut taste and James car will with the raging Cajun. I mean, his insinuations that the SEC front office and the Commissioner are light Saudi Arabia. I come to believe the truth is Darryl is his illegitimate, son. I just we believe that. And what that guy said the other day yesterday. I've leave hoping people would get hurt in the game. I don't even know why you still take his calls. Question. I can't answer. I know. I don't know. I mean, if you're a real sports fan you wanna see a good game. And you wanna see everybody at Hilo? The game congratulate congratulate each other and walk off the field healthy. You don't wanna see anybody get carded off? No, nobody wants to see that. But you know, and the other thing was I wish Devon white was playing the whole game because all the LSU fans have gonna cry and moan when they get beat and say, well, we would've beat them. If we had our starters in it was a flagrant foul and the only way to change it. Then after he stood over the player Fitzpatrick after knocking down. That's what really true the flag. And you know what? Then change the rule, but you have you have a rule abide by the rule the way it's written. Bill. Thank you very much. Great to hear from you, two hours to go. We'll talk to George Schroeder in the next hour. And Mortezavi later.

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"The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent on grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. What's in your wallet? Cried passion, then patron Torri of college football leagues here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast. What the program in what a busy day? It has already been for the last two days. We've been reacting to the decision by Joel lever, the athletic, director dollars shoot to reinstate. We'll wait will now. He may be gone. According to number reports. But first reported by our first guest this evening. Stephanie regal Leyva is heading toward the door. This comes in the aftermath of a meeting last night between the board of supervisors we don't exactly know what happened. But. Remember Joe alita showed up in LSU after escaping Duke after the Duke lacrosse scandal. And he has been the steward over a number of decisions, including firing less miles than deciding to reverse that ended up with Joe ended up with that ores. Ron, of course, hiring will Wade from VCU Stephanie regal who broke this story down in Baton Rouge earlier today in the business reports definitely great to have you back on the show. We were all sitting around having a nice quiet day when your story appeared, and you sent pretty much the entire college sports world into overdrive. Thanks for being here. Let's begin with though, what you learned. And maybe what has happened since then good afternoon. Afternoon. Thanks. It's nice to be here. We were able to confirm, and and this talk had been had been swirling about certainly yesterday. And before that Joe Aleve. Oh will step down. And I'm not sure if they're going to couch it as a retirement or resignation, but but basically he has he has been forced out. And you know, I think there was growing pressure both inside and outside of the university community. We saw the outside pressure. You would see posts on social media. And the, you know, I rate fandom and also the boosters that were displeased with many of his decisions rightly or wrongly going back several years. But from what I was told today that there was pressure. A lot of pressure inside the university to and finally just got to the point where they decided he takes time for him to go. Stephanie this all comes. Conveniently in the aftermath of this five six week long. Will Wade conundrum which fans did not like anything. Joe Leyva did even after reinstating him was that or is this the tipping point? The breaking point. It was certainly one of several factors. It is so ironic that after weight is reinstated. As you say Aleve is the one that's going. There was this big hushed board meeting yesterday. And I sat there for two hours while they were in executive session, and it was extensively called talk about pending litigation. And I know they discussed the Wade matter there, I was able to confirm after but the decision relative to Aleve with made prior to that meeting yesterday and all the pieces were already in place from what I understand the university is finalizing a statement that it's been a make either sometime later today or tomorrow, but I think before the end of this week for sure who was surely taking their time, which is fine with me my question to you. And and I don't know of anyone really has the foggiest idea the answer. But what if anything does this mean to will Wade who has been reinstated? But to too many still seems to be twisting slowly in the early spring wind. Yeah. And I wish I could apply on that. But I really can't. And that's not my area of expertise. Anyway, what will be more interesting to see who takes Joel livas place at LSU, then already. There's there's buzz out there about that. All I've been told fishery is that it's very, you know, well known much loved high, you know, highly respected figure in the college athletic world. The Dallas Morning News has reported already that, you know, Scott Woodward is is the man that that many beliefs that will be, but he has not told his people at Texas ain't him yet. And no-one at LSU has said that get you just routes for people understand Scott Woodward, who by all accounts is one of the best athletic directors in the country. We talked to him a week ago on this program will some of you outside of. That Rouge or college station may be asking why Scott Woodward will Scott grew up in Baton Rouge went to LSU has worked at LSU. He worked under Mark emirate and went with Marc Emmers to Washington, Mark. And of course, now, the president of the NC double A Stephanie. Realized so much of this is unknown at this point. But this board of supervisors would it have been there. Call to make or would it or was it king Alexander the president who subsequently made the call. How do you think it went down? Paul Klee, the board of supervisors can't spire Jila Lifa. So technically, it wouldn't be there. Call to make by the letter of the law, but whether they pressured king Alexander to make that decision whether there were higher up political forces involved, which some have have said like in, you know, if the state highest levels of state government, technically, no, the board did not force him out. But did the board apply pressure and did others in state government apply pressure? I think it got the point where the writing was on the wall and everybody could see it. If that makes sense from the mean, we're talking about Baton Rouge here. Nothing makes sense. But you, but you've done a great job of trying to make sense out of it all, and that's why we were so eager to have you almost Stephanie. Thank you, a quite a scoop by you and your publication, and we always enjoyed chatting hope you'll come back. Thank you so much have a good afternoon. To listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast Seth Walder from ESPN and try to figure out what's happening here scout Seth always great to have you. We haven't talked to you in a couple of weeks, and it is always cool to touch base. So who has the best chance to reach the college football playoff. I'm going to hold my breath as we wait to listen to you because I know you're going to give us four teams. We haven't thought of right? Well, I can't surprise you too much Paul. I mean who else would it be but Clemson and Alabama at the top. But I do think it is actually notable. When you look at those two teams because we have Clemson at Eighty-three percent chance to make the playoff which is for an objective model like this outrageously high. I mean, I think when we look at this. I'm not sure if we are sitting here talking over the next ten years in the preseason, we're going to have a team as high in the preseason to make the playoffs. We do. Clemson right now. It's just set up to perfectly. We've got. To defending national champion who everyone agrees. I think that is going to be great again is bringing back their most important player in Trevor Lawrence and the schedule is so soft. We are talking about one of the easiest schedules. Among power five teams. They they're to touchdown favorites over every single opponent that they have on their schedule. Their toughest game is at South Carolina. Their last game of the regular season for context. Alabama also plays at South Carolina. It's their fifth. Toughest game the history, Alabama not far behind, but we're so used to hearing the same things you just got through saying about Alabama. Yeah. There's no question there a major title contender. Seventy one percent. We have for them to the the real difference. Here comes down to the competition. The SEC we've talked about before Paul how favorably FBI views the SEC. And so you're talking about a number of challengers. I think there's a good chance that the SEC is able to put. Teams back in the playoff. We actually put that better than a fifty fifty proposition. And so that's good for Alabama. But the reality is they're going to have to play LSU granted Tuscaloosa, but that's still a challenge game. No matter what you're going to have a challenging game in the SEC championship game. So there are opportunities for Alabama to lose even as an elite team as it is still very likely that the tighter end up in in the final four. Okay. You double check my shot. You have Michigan in the top four. Yeah. That's the big surprise. That's what we're really out on a limb. I think the big ten is really interesting. Look, here's what's going on with Michigan F B I is incredibly down on Ohio State. And I know people feel like Justin fields, you know, as the next great quarterback at Ohio State. But the reality is you're talking about a brand new head coach and a new quarterback. There's a lot of uncertainty there when you're talking about these elite teams, you don't want uncertainty and so- Michigan while it's you know, maybe not as I catching talk about Harbaugh shape. Patterson? It's still that there's a lot more certainty. They're they're bringing back a lot of players. And so and on top of that. Sorry, Ohio State is coming to in Arbor this year end. So Michigan just had is the team that can take advantage of that the rest of the big teams maybe down a little bit. And so they're in a pretty good position to finally get into playoff. Forty-one percent. Listen, this is a team that was in contention all last year until the implosion at the end. So we shouldn't be that surprised. Should we? No. I don't think. So. I mean, we've yeah. Like, you said we've seen the they've come close. And I do think that this would be their best chance. I think there's a good possibility that a high of state won't be able to mount the kind of challenge that it did for Michigan in the past. You alluded to Georgia know, their schedule is is more difficult. But the because they have Notre Dame to have 'em both games at home, though. They do go to Auburn. I'm remembering the Georgia schedule off the top of my head. But that that probability is still pretty high. Hi, still pretty high because we think that the third best team in the country. Right. So even though there may be behind Michigan. I in terms of chance to meet the playoff ju just because it's scheduled. There's no question that when we talk about the things that we like about Alabama we like about Clemson. We like about Michigan talking about stability at quarterback and head coach Georgia has all of those things. It's obviously done a nice job in the recruiting department over the past couple of years. And so they'll that all goes into it. And so yeah, absolutely. I think that Georgia is in a pretty good chance. It isn't a pretty good position to make the playoffs again, especially because the SEC could get two teams. So once we get past these four chef who is nipping at the heels next. I think the interesting team here is another SEC team in LSU. Oh, and I think that people don't think about them really as being a contender because you consider. Well, they gotta go to Tuscaloosa, they're in the same division as Alabama. So how's that possibly going to work? Well, there's two things to remember one don't round down their chance to beat Alabama two zero gets low. We put it about a one in four shot. But that's not nothing. It is possible. They could do it. It is possible. They could win the division. But we've also seen teams from that very same division reached the playoff even if they only go eleven in one. And I think that's possible for LSU. Look is a really good team. It's their defense is going to lead the way. But I think Joe borough is overlooked in terms of his play last year he finished fourteenth in total QBR. I mean, there are guys that are were lower on that list that I've gotten a lot of hype there's this offseason Sam etlinger was behind Joe borough. And so I think the LSU really could sneak up on some people this year shows how how how deep do you rank? I mean, your your group how far down do they go? Well, we go all all one thirty. But you know, there's not that many teams that actually have a chance to win the national championship. I mean, I think we have it at nine teams of at least a one percent shot. Win national championship. And and so I think there's a lot of longshots. He'll a lot of teams that you have one percent to reach the playoffs. That's that's all possible. But yeah, I mean, we rank all one thirty if you need go. No. I was just thinking of you know, someone. Outside of this conversation who might be worth putting two bucks down on. Oh, gosh. Yeah. I mean, I think that. Well. I think there are when compared to Vegas. There are very few teams that we are longer on. And then the oddsmakers Michigan LSU and Clemson three teams we've already talked about are are those teams in terms of like total longshots. I'm not sure I mean teams that surprised me we have UCLA at one chick one percent chance to make the playoffs that would blow me away. But I suppose at a one hundred to one anything could happen. Always fascinating. So Jim Harbaugh probably not happy about the pressure. But after all your five he deserves a great to have you on chess. We will talk soon. Thanks, paul. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Nothing official yet from Baton Rouge. Not even any statements, but speculation all over the board that Joe alita is done forced out as the director in our next guest has been talking about the intersection of Joe alita and LSU athletics for a long time on this program. Tipped us off last night. This was eminent and Tim Brando joins us right now. Tim, thank you, very very much. And we're all eager to get your reaction to what is what is currently going on right now in Baton Rouge. The targeting call. I don't know as much about as I've like I wasn't him to around dinnertime last night that it was emotion. I got I think I may have left a message with you along about you did on ten ten o'clock or so in the evening after I checked a couple of other sources, I don't ever want to mention anything to anyone unless I've got a more than a one source, but listen, this is this is a byproduct of not just what's going on with the basketball program. But what's happened over a period of time, the lack of due diligence on many many fronts there is one name. And and you may be reading about his name a little bit gore. If you follow the story closely past chairman of the board of supervisors, Richard Lipsey, Richard very very influential guy in in Baton Rouge who is very much in. The skip Berkman camp. And he was very upset with the way that the courtship or lack thereof of JIMBO Fisher went down. And so it's sorta began there, and then there were missteps along the way you may recall a couple of years back when the Florida LSU situation with the football game with with the storm coming with the hurricane in route how that was handled and and really the black Mark that was left on LSU much more. So than Florida when this pissing match place between Jeremy Foley, and and Jila leva. And and the league was also a little bit late in getting involved. And I think it made at one point Commissioner say he look bad all of this. You know, you add it up over period of time. And there was enough there for changes to be made even long before the. The will wait circumstances came up. Now, you will be reading I'm sure from a lot of people, but most of them fans suggesting now that with leva dawn this clears the way away they are two separate issues will wait is not in the clear by a long shot. We'll find out I guess what they have to the Mara whether he'll testify and if he does have the dust by then that situation will rear its ugly head again. So I think this was I'm not gonna say it's not the timing of this is is not been moved along a little bit by basketball. It may have you had a year left on his deal, but admits it's made easier by waiting and and and when you have the right time and the basketball situation allowed for the time to happen now, then it's easier to make this move pay mall for a year and make. It look as though he's stepping down. And that's the way I think this is all gonna work out. Once they, you know, work out, the semantics of the circumstances talking to Tim Brando, Tim let me let me ask you about. Wade first then we'll come back to what's next. Regardless of what happens with the trial next week. Give us your best evaluation and analysis of will wage future at LSU it's better than it was a week ago. It's probably more fifty fifty than thirty seventy which I think I would have had that. That's that would have been my synopsis, then, but I think the fact that Aleve is gone, probably enhances wait circumstances. Particularly if his lawyer who has a track record for doing the job in similar circumstances. Particularly with Bruce Pearl gets the job done. Now. It's a little different this time around because parole wasn't on reportedly on a wiretap. And we'll was it is. And he's not been you know, with loose was never subpoenaed to appear in court and be under oath. And we'll is. But if they can find a way to keep. Him from having to testify, and what is today, I think the first day of national signing day track. Let's say some of these kids that are supposedly in zip pocket, particularly the one in mountain brook. Alabama comes his way, then you know, the worm could turn in the direction for Wade, and and possibly as I think our friend being gogo suggested with you yesterday if not the day before the chances of his survival are heightened as a result. But, but that's a that's a lot to have to have happened for will be in good shape. To me, given the circumstances of of of what LSU has faced and the image it that it has taken. I I would suggest that as Jay Bilas says his survival is survival chances are minimal. But we've seen this happen before Sean Miller went out and was defiant in the eight in case in Arizona, and he managed to survive, Bruce, Pearl never really had to do that. Because he was never tied directly to Chuck Person. When when Chuck was in fact, arrested and you saw what happened with him. So these are these comparisons that are being made conveniently by a lot of fans don't necessarily add up because they those coaches never faced the circumstances. That will wait is facing right now. Tim which next because there are a lot of names out there, including Scott Woodward, friends in Texas, really wonder why he would leave very stable situation where he's likely to get a better deal any hour to go into Baton Rouge. But it is home, of course. Yeah. And this is what I've heard based on the context I have down there. And and Scott is a Catholic high guy. And when I say Catholic high to those in Baton Rouge in southeast Louisiana. That's one of the real pillars of that community. My first cousin. Greg was once the headmaster at Catholic. I in fact, I think he was when Scott was in high school there. He went on the covenant issue graduate in the mid eighties, and was very much a part of the skip Berkman regime at LSU, and and by the way, another man that was part of that whose name will probably also. Surface. I doubt that they'll be able to get him. But he was very much a part of LSU success story when skip was named AD Scott Renna kovic now the outlet. Oh, yeah. Listen, Scott really did do that work for skip when he was the athletic director. Skip of obviously is beloved in that community and Richard Lipsey one of his well. In fact, he is his closest friend. So the Berkman factor from the outside looking in with the people involved here Lipsey is a former past chairman of the board of supervisors and his relationship with skipping being what it is. In addition to that, Scott Woodward being part of that those tentacles the tree if you will Berkman as a young young man coming up after graduating college and being a part of that athletic department, tree plays very strong into this. And I'm told by a number of people that I really count on that if it becomes a bidding war am would win any bidding more there's far too much money there. If. If they really wanted to pay up to keep them they could. But that's home. It's absolutely home. This connection not only to LSU. But also, the Catholic highs very strong, and if they were able to pull that off and get him that would be quite a coup. He's gotta be considered the front Paul absolutely no doubt about it. But if AM does come strong, and he just hired buzz Williams, and which I think is one of the greatest fires in the off season of college basketball. If it's too late for them to get him. I'm gonna throw out an outlier for you that I think has not been mentioned yet by anyone in the media, even easy, Anna. And that would be heard, Vincent. Oh, yes. A senior associate Commissioner of the southeastern conference office. Herb cut his teeth as a student assistant way back in the day in the eighties. When Paul Manasseh one of the legendary which relation people brought a so many people up that was when gosh, I think will working here. Yeah. Sleep always in charge chair of the sports information department heard was part of that tree. And and and became very much a part of the athlete department at LSU before going to the SEC office. I think when I say this to you, you'll agree with me. Is there a school in the southeastern conference that has fallen as much disfavor within the conference as LSU in the last handful of years, and there's you know, a lot of it is known Tim rod of it is not known because there are things that we could bring out that are just it's they're doing basing everyone. Absolutely. Well, without in mind who better to heal those wounds than someone from within the SEC office and would not the southeastern conference office be happy to know. They're absolutely in charge at LSU. Right. So to me he would be now he's never been an athletic director before and. I think that's one of the things home comes into play when jobs like these pop up. And that's where would has. I think the inside track has would a guy like Radic Ovid. There's been some talk about Nunez who's inside this. But you knows is much more part of the Aleve a- family, which I don't I don't believe I think that'll be a radical some within the I think the the the the athletic department there that are that are under a lever right now have a chance of of Stang there. Well, liked I think the guy like verge ause varies really well there and has done a great deal. And of course, was a former player LSU, but I think making a move towards someone younger someone who has ties with the school, particularly someone like Woodward makes a lot of sense if not him to me the next best option for them would be hurt vincit. Wow. That is really a fascinating report. Many many. Thanks him. We we pay great attention. Into what you say about everything. But when you talk about Louisiana, we we listened even closer. Thank you so much for sharing the information. Thanks for tipping us off last night. So we could be somewhat prepared today. And we hope you're around the golf was good today. I did. Okay. Thanks, paul. Good to be with you. Thank you, Tim Brando who works very hard works pretty much every day of the week for most of the year. But this is a little bit of a quiet time. And we appreciate him. Joining us and listening to Paul finebaum show podcast ship towers joining us talking about the hype train better known as the Georgia spring game. Chip, thanks for the time. As always, listen, we understand there isn't Tuesay as them. But let's try to understand why this is a must see event. Yeah. Like any spring game? No. I think Kirby is kinda made it that way Georgia just from the standpoint of you know, spring gangs are always what they are. No matter how you set them up. And however, you that if the competition, whether it's tubers ones, the ones, I stews, and and what have you Kirby's may descend much more of a event from a standpoint of unless you offer the recruits. Let's let's show the new recruits that aren't here. Let's feature the record recruits just got here. Let's bring back, you know, all the old bulldog run, the NFL, and, you know, for whatever reason, you know, an average of eighty thousand of per year has shown up for for Kirby smart, spring games. And that's compared to you know, I guess before Kirby got here. The. Greatest attendance air Edward G day game was was forty something thousand they probably average twenty thousand four that. So he's definitely peaking in for interest of the fan base. And kinda made it kind of fun now own the field, Paul. You know, I agree. I mean, I I don't think there's as much to look at in this particular spring is there, there's certainly there's no quarterback competitions. As there has been in the last three g day gains, nothing real intriguing on might start here or there a lot of era parents out there. But, but yeah, it should be pretty fun from the standpoint of honesty and who. Despite all the hype and the glitter and gold, and all that what what are you looking for just in terms of where certain players are. And I realize having real real realizing that sometimes you just can't tell very much. Well, you can't. And so here's the deal Paul is. You know, I mean Kirby's very much like Nick saving to the access during the week is is very very limited. I mean, we don't see a lot of practice. So from that standpoint alone. You know, I find, you know, the spring games would be more enlightening than they were in the past because you know, in the old days that would have seen a lot of the team by the time. They can try tried out for the spring game. Now, you have seen much so in particular, I wanna see what all the buses about. There's been a lot of fuss has been a lot of buzz with a lot of these fourteen early enroll ease at Georgia. I mean, there's a lot of early enroll ease everywhere, I think there were sixteen in Alabama and sixteen Clemson, and you know, just big early enrolling classes a couple of guys in particular Nolan Smith the number one rated outside linebacker in America. And nico- bay dean the number one inside linebacker in America. Both of them signed with Georgia in this class. It position. Of need and are in Tampa. And if create a lot of buzz, well, all I've seen them run through position drills. And they look good and doing that. But I'm I'm really intrigued about seeing him doing some eleven on eleven work, and and that kind of carries out throughout the lineup. But you know, again with Jay from kind of being solidified at quarterback the line solidified, you know, the D line. There's a lot of work to be done. But everybody knows who in terms of the pecking order, so it it's not real intriguing that Kirby would beg to differ. But you know, I'm not expecting a lot of you know, a surprise in that regard. Let's talk about Jake from. We had a guest on yesterday to really say his upside from this point on to the draft next year is is pretty phenomenal. He he's always been good. Even though some were calling for his ouster, even before the Florida, Georgia. Game last year, which your assessment. But I mean, I think I think gave I think the best is still ahead of Jake Brahm. I think he's largely under appreciated from a national standpoint. You know, maybe it's one of those situations where where you know, because on on the be in close I see more in him than maybe that they do on the outside. But I mean, I think there's nowhere to go. But up for for from that sounds funny. But because he has been so good. But he has another tier that he can reach and the, and if he can do that this year, he can carry Georgia wit, and and you know, a lot of special things can happen. I think he's a much better passer than most people give them credit for me. You know, his yards per attempt last year surprises. I mean, she's nine point three yards per ten. And so he didn't throw the ball around a lot. But when he grows any throws at vertically, and you know with a good run game. Like they're expected to have with the Andrea swift James coli now the offense coordinator, I mean, expect you to open it up a little bit more. They're still going to be run oriented. But I think you'll see much more of a true pro style offense in this coming year. And and if Jake from you know, does everything they say he's capable of doing between, you know, calling the plays and making throws it could be a big year. Georgia's offense, it's going to have a big year regardless, but he can he can make it even better. Talking to chip towers about the dogs. Listen, we had a guest on earlier Sheth. Walter Georgia predicted to be in the top four. This is no big surprise. This is where the dogs have been for the last couple of years what what are fans. Looking forward to and do they feel or do they sense? This is the year where the Alabama conversation finally comes to an end and Kirby smart beats his old boss. Yeah. Well, you know that the thing. So twenty nineteen is always kind of been the year since Kirby smart arrived at you know, everything that happened in twenty seventeen was a little ahead of schedule in my opinion. And even last year was a little bit of a transition year. And but I think because the rest of the east Georgia was just able to to to get back to the SEC championship game. But that you know, until they clear that Alabama hurdle. It's not clear, and and you know, last time I checked I mean, Alabama. I think we all keep waiting for them to take a step back. We waiting for. They did they lost a game last year. I yeah. I mean, you know, and then oh that staff turnover is going to catch up with them sooner or later, is it really I mean, you know. And yet. So I, but I do think based on the last two games. You just see how the last two games came to these programs or head to head from a competitive standpoint. And it's just gonna take one time, you know, for Georgia's to to be able to get over that hump. And if they do I think, you know, everything is there waiting for them. But they've got to get through Alabama. And I think they'll have that opportunity again the here again, Georgia's there in Kirby has done a great job. But that the issue right now is the rest of the east is not able to to hang and I don't see that happen this year. I think Florida's still has work. Do I think Tennessee definitely has worked to do in the rest keys as work to do to to upset that right now. And in the meantime, there were just holy fixated on on Obama. You told the truth right there at the end ship, and we get it. And for good reason. Why why shouldn't they be well? Yeah. And and look, I I think Kirby downplays relationship Nick save, and and his time there and everything now, I think we're starting to see a little bit of a push away though behind the scenes that yes interesting remarks as past week if the Athens touchdown club, you know, that I heard secondhand. And what it what it and saying, well, I mean, I just I just think he's starting to push away from the mothership. You know what I'm saying? You know, this is mine, and and and we're doing things our way we're not necessarily doing everything the way that they did it Alabama. We've got our own way of doing things, and and you just since that that separation, and and, but I think he takes very very serious in in wanting to be able to beat the mentor, and they downplay it, and they talk about it every time they made it. And each other. But I think behind the scenes that's a driving force for thirty smart. No doubt chip towers joining us. Thank you very much gray tabby on. Listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast the news breaking at quite a pace today. We now know it is a fish oil that Joe alita is leaving LSU the school making it official just moments ago with more statements king Alexander. We are grateful to Joe for his years of service and dedication to LSU under his leadership. LSU athletics has become even more nationally competitive and our our student athletes have reached new levels of academic achievement. Leyva had this to say the eleven years Anne, and I have been here in Baton Rouge have been some of the best in our lives. We have made life long, friends and memories in Louisiana. This is truly a special place. It's been an honor to serve LSU and I'm proud to continue to do. So. In a new role. So now that that's official the speculation all over the map about what will happen next. Scott woodward. Of course is a Baton Rouge native. He's a graduate Avila shoot. He just has made two of the biggest hires in modern SEC history with JIMBO Fisher, and then two weeks ago buzz we we had him on the show nine days ago talking about the future of Texas M athletics. Under those two coaches, we're joined now by Billy Lucia who covers that beat better than anyone and Billy. Thank you very much. Appreciate you coming on. And the first question is the obvious question. What do you know about Scott Woodward's future isn't going to stay or will? He be wooed away by LSU. I think boring. I wrote about it on my side. I've been told by multiple sources, Scott Scott, Paul them, getting confused them in fighting about about Scott all day. I've been told him multiple sources that a memorandum of understanding is already been signed. And that Scott Woodward will be the next athletics. Rector it unless you, you know, this happened really quickly. So you guys called me as I'm still chasing it down. But like I said I've heard from two sources and even third two that I have never been wrong for me in third. That's about as good as I can get on that one. And and it has been trending that way all day. I think. From the moment. I heard about it. This morning, Texas. Am was fighting a pretty uphill battle to reel him back in as I've seen as you know, from all the time covering this. Reeling back in typically doesn't happen when you're dealing with someone that's been doing this. So so long it's usually when they're gone, they're they're gone. This was not some sort of money grab by Scott. Woodward was like the seven pies payday D in the SEC had. He wanted to do that Lord knows he could've leveraged AM for probably more than LSU pay. So I don't I don't think it was about that. I think about impart any way to go in home. And then if there's more to it, and I think that'll come out, you know, as we continue to learn more about the cer-, certainly Billy would understand wanting to go home and not only did he work there. He worked under Mark 'em. Right. When when Nick Sabin was there, you ES ties to that community because he's from there. He also has worked in political consulting. So he understands the the scene. In in Baton Rouge were many don't. But I I am interested in is is a was there anything at AM that may have tipped the balance other than a chance to go back home again. Paul. I think if you look at it. There's one part of it just doesn't doesn't add up from the standpoint of you know, he lives about four minutes from the airport here. And it's about a forty five minute flight to Baton Rouge or New Orleans east there all the time, and and was just wrapping up building kind of their dream home here, and really you mentioned it buzz imbo. I mean if ever there's cruise control for an athletic director, Scott woodland was about to be on it. And you also reference a lot going on LSU. Even though he's familiar with it. That's still a pretty big undertaking right now to go in there with you know, between between we'll wait. And it's just so I have to believe. Yes. To answer your question. I think there had to be some other mitigating factors and are very familiar with Scott and talked to them a lot. I know how much he loved am in LSU and. You know, I've had conversations with them where I've always felt like if he were ever going to leave. It would be it. It wouldn't have to do with money. I'll put it that way. I do think though. There's something to do with respect right in in the fact that you're the seven ties payday d. In the conference Christel Kante, Texas making twice as much and you look around the league, and you go who's done with this guy has done who's done with. This guy has done at Texas. Am. Hiring. Jim who I mean, you guys would laugh me off the off this station if a year before they hire JIMBO said they were hiring same. You know, a lot of people would do that with buzz Williams, Texas ENA in basketball. No, they have to go higher mid major what they've always done. So on some level. I think that you wanna look at it. I don't need the money. But I am I being appreciated for what I'm doing here, but by higher ups, and then another thing I think you have to look at in. This will come out in the wash. I think is you see what is the status of Michael young, the president of Texas a man right now because Michael young has one year left on his deal. And is is the guy that hired Scott Woodward and brought him brought him from Washington with them. So he didn't think that if he thought that that cover was maybe not long for this world and end you combine that with going home, and you combine that with kind of. Look where do I sit right now in terms of how much being appreciate not by the fans, they love their, you know, they're really to a man right now, they ain't him fans and a lot of the hot power donors that have been calling me all day or pretty, you know, they're they're beside themselves at this could happen to be honest with you. Understandable. I mean, by the way, I mean, the next question, I ask you is almost I can't believe I'm about to ask you because I'm still digesting the news of a leave of being ousted, and then you coming on and telling us that Woodward is likely to leave so who would possibly be on on a list to replace woodwork. Because I I have to believe the school has not given this much thought. I think you're dead on on that. I don't think I've talked to people in athletic, and by that, I'm I'm talking about everyone from coaches to athletes to everyone today. No one no one saw it coming. I I will I will say I sent them growing frustration with Scott. I couldn't really put my finger on it because it had nothing to do with JIMBO Fisher. And he was beyond excited about the higher, a buzz Williams and things really seem to be rolling on the surface. But I mean, I think it comes as a total shock. So I don't think you're sitting there with a short list walking around right now. There's two sides to this is is number one like. It. It certainly seems like a great job for someone to walk into. You. Don't think you have to hire a football or basketball coach any time in the seal. On top of that, you, you know, you've got to really proven ones it seemed like perfect fit. So from that side. It's great the peyot be great. But I think you have to as a new dot com, and we'll have to kind of ask the hard questions and kind of get to the bottom of. Why would why would Woodward leave it make sure that it look it's a hundred percent because going home to LSU but again. Boy that hell job to walk into. And as we're talking we had Stephanie regal on earlier today. She's a local reporter, Billy and me this story just moving at a record pace. Now another. County's been heard from a prominent official down there. The the head of the Louisiana. The former head of the Louisiana higher education board is now calling for the resignation and firing of the LSU president king Alexander. So I mean, I I bring this up because I mean, it's got by the way, Scott, what would know all this. I mean, he knows the political scene that Rouge, but you're diving into an endless pit of uncertainty. But apparently, I which brings me to the question if Scott Woodward, indeed is taking this job. Exactly who is hiring him. That's a damn good question. And and you have to get LSU insider on that one. But I mean like you said he's privy to all that. And he's probably getting the answers. He needs them think about just walking into the will wait which way shin right now is made. I mean, I know I know I listened to him on earlier. And I know it sounds like it's all resolved and stuff. But there's part of me that sitting there going how much of that might be contractual. And just kind of you know, they can't just let him go right now. I to me it just seems like you're leaving Kush situation for one that that has its fair share of of issues and instability and uncertainty. But again, I mean, this is something I, you know, Scott, I know Scott, it's not an oh, he's not going to make no night. No, no. He's gonna limit. It wasn't Billy. I I can't. Thank you enough. I know you're in the middle of a breaking story. But thank you very much for being with us can tell you this day trade coaches a lot between shavers and Woodward and they almost did with a random. I know that Texas they will not be idling Joa liba. No. We have that. I'm sure buzz Williams and JIMBO Fisher will probably skip the farewell party for Scott Woodward who brought both of them in. Hey, thanks, Billy. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Paul. Thank you. I mean talking about a bombshell on a day of multiple bomb show. You could see a leva getting fired. But before that the ink was even dry on the statement announcing that he's moving on to this assistant to the president's role. Whatever the victim, Billy Lucci just broke on this show. A story that said Scott Woodward is definitely going back. According to his sources makes us even more stupefied. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Ralph Rousseau joining us the college football writer for the Associated Press Ralph it has been a busy day down here with Joa livas removal, and the likelihood of Scott Woodward going from AM to LSU as we say Hello to you. Good afternoon in your reaction to all of this. Yeah. Busy day in LSU. You know, the Aleve thing has sort of been percolating what for like three or four years now. I mean, I essentially starting with him trying to oust less miles at the end of I guess it was the two thousand sixteen season. I'm getting a little blurry here. And it wasn't that LSU fans necessarily. We're sad about trying to get rid of let's miles. It just that they did it in such an awkward and disrespectful way and ever since. Then it hasn't been a very good look for Aleve. I think that he has not been a very popular guy at LSU. And then the we will the will Wade thing happened this year again the fans come down on a lever. So that wasn't necessarily shocking, and nor is it shocking. That Scott would would would be the replacement because he is a Baton Rouge guy with ties to the school. The fact that it happened. So quickly clearly says that you know, maybe a hat to LSU that it had all of us in a row here and wasn't just going to, you know, not. No, not the nicest thing to do to Joe alita to negotiate with his replacement before he even out the door. Nonetheless. I think it inefficient day for LSU if they can get this all tied other way, or less less miles on line. One thing if the terrible thing to do he agrees with you. It by the way. Scott Woodward has such a deep ties that community not only did he work as Mark emerets right hand man, when he was the chancellor at LSU, but he was also in the political consulting business air for a number of years. So it might lotta people would say why does anyone want to get into that morass? But I mean, this is a guy that lived in it and profited quite well. Oh, and and listen, you know dysfunction in Texas AM have gone hand. Yes. Two. So he's done a nice job at Texas AM bringing a certain amount of stability. But he's also the guy who just ended a football coach a deputy five million dollar ten year guaranteed contract. And now is no longer responsible for that contract. Zach to me that's not a bad idea to leave. Because if that thing goes bad, not my problem. No, it was he'll he'll he'll tell us friends at LSU. Sure was nice spending their money and AM. Right, right. I do think it is interesting though. Like Woodward is definitely a guy. He made a big splash higher at Washington with Chris Peterson. He made a big splash higher at Texas AM with JIMBO Fisher did a nice job getting buzz Williams in there as the basketball coach at Texas AM as well. Editors around is not on the hot seat. Let's make that very clear, but we also understand the nature of the SEC means the hot seat is almost a weekly if not by weekly event, right? I mean, I, you know, ask Gus malzahn about what the hot seat is at Auburn. I it literally runs hot and cold. And or is your on sort of lived in that row world a little bit to where you know, a two game losing streak all the sudden puts you on the hot seat. So I am interested to see how this plays out with Woodward. Not being the one who hired or is you're on how if things go a little bed is he itchy to sort of make a big splash higher. If that just becomes lessens the leash on orange, Iran. If things were to go bad not that I'm saying they will. But if things get a little sour at LSU is a guy like would would more likely to pull the trigger sooner rather than later and tells you interesting there there's so much history of between these two schools. Not only did they play the longest game of the year this year in seven overtimes, but you had shave this leaving LSU for AM, and my memory's grab Aranda was about to go work for JIMBO Fisher until LSU coughed up enough money to keep him almost three million dollars a year. So. The road between Baton Rouge in in college station is well traveled. There's a lot of money being spent by these schools to try to catch Alabama, right and Chile like these two schools are just throwing money at the problem that is that is that we're stuck behind Alabama. There is there was a bottomless pit of money to pour into this. Neither of them seem to be gaining on Alabama. By the way, they are spending a ton of money to try to gain on Alabama. But that's the goal though. I mean, the only the only school that seemingly has made some inroads is Georgia. Right. And but Georgia doesn't have to deal with Alabama. I'm their backyard. Right. And that's the the main difference here is that Georgia only has to see Alabama in the NFC championship game or maybe the national championship game. But rarely does it actually have to bang has with Alabama and Georgia did is it took the Alabama blueprint and put all the cool things that Georgia now has around it. I mean, there's a long list of things that have gone on in Georgia that police it in this position is far as high school football and the recruiting area that have made it a V given Georgia the ability to possibly compete with Alabama. But the ones who are in direct competition with Alabama. They're just spending money like drunken, sailors and running on a treadmill in place. Yeah. And you mentioned or is you're on the will Wade situation. You have to believe that will take care of itself pretty quickly here. Maybe maybe sooner rather than later or is Ron is expected to have a really good team. But if you. If you if you check recent AD changes, it seems like some sort of change usually happens fairly quickly either in basketball or football. I you wonder if with is you're on, you know, he's he's a favorite son on one hand down there and LSU, obviously, he has you know, he's he's he's literally one of them. Right. So I think that there's probably a great desire among LSU fans for him to be successful because he is very much one of us. Right. But I also think that that balance is off with a certain skepticism because remember when they when they hired ores run. Another reason why leva wasn't necessarily beloved is because they thought well, we're just sort of settling for our interim coach as opposed to actually running a a real search, and they sort of got burned because Tom Herman played them a little bit, right? With the Duke of like, hey, I I'm interested in your job. But really, I just want Texas, ante up and get moving. So. They landed on ores Iran in a way that I think was never totally satisfying, which again lead to this bigger picture of of a what is at ores Ron future there. Now again, they should have a really good team. He could be there for ten years and be super successful in eventually catch Sabin. But I being things move so quickly in the SEC. You could also see like a one bad year. And all of a sudden, there's another uprising at LSU. And here's the new boss who has a history of making really splashy hires. Now, I I imagine the higher. He would really like to make his JIMBO Fisher. Wow. Jimbo, certainly has some connection, sailors you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I mean that was the guy that they wanted to hire LSU before Scott would would would would. Boop when Joel Leyva was there, JIMBO has always been the guy. Now, I don't think jimbo's leaving ten year seventy five million dollars contract. But that dynamic makes it interesting as well that whole LSU taxes AM dynamic is fascinating on a lot of levels. I say this tongue in cheek, but I'm sure someone will misinterpret, you know, the the guy that would would has already circled to bring back till issue to bring back home is Nick Sabin, of course, because right Nick was there when he was. Absolutely. Now, the two the two relatively close friends to I mean, it's just a baffling day in you live in the in the world of the Associated Press. And the the ink is not even dry on the breaking news at the Aleve has officially been removed. And we already had the story that Woodward has replaced him. I like those kind of days, don't you? I do. I mean it especially when it's what it they roll seventeenth or so and usually this is a bit of a quiet time. So I know for you at this was probably a great day because you didn't have to recycle like, you know, way too early college football. And and you know, and who's going to be the best quarterback in the SEC west story. Hey before you go you wrote about this. And we this was the main impetus behind talking to you about has the NCAA overdone the graduate transfer. Right. I mean, what they're looking at is a is a in they'll vote on a possible proposal or proposal this week that could amend the some rules that have to deal with graduate transfers the crux of it is if the amendment were to pass a school a team would be on the hook for two years of scholarship, if they take a graduate transfer even if the kid the player is gone in one year. So I think it's a meant to we're going to cool the market here. But we're not going to take away from the kids side. We'll just put the onus on the coaches and the and the teens because you you would think that while the Jalen hurts is the world. I'm sure a lot of schools will say listen, I'll burn that extra year scholarship. No big deal. But for a lot of other players who are not necessarily Jalen hurts type talent. I would think that you'll have coaches and and programs that will be a little more cautious about diving into the grad transfer market. Now, I don't know if this thing is going to pass the big twelve is not. Not necessarily on board. It sounds like the MAC is. But I think what's going to happen. Here is the smaller leagues the any and this is effective basketball too. So the mid majors in basketball at CS is involved in this too. I think the ones that look at this grad transfer situation and think of it as our teams are being used as farm teams were the power five they may vote for it and that might be enough to get through. But I think as you go up the chain and the conferences, you know, to the AFC and the power five there's not as much support for it. So I don't think there's a slam dunk on Friday, but it would really reconfigure the grad transfer market. If it were to pass, great stuff Ralph middle of April should be a quiet time anything, but great to have you on thankful. Rafa Russo from the AP on the busy Wednesday two more days this week. Thank you for listening to the. Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum. Show airs weekdays on the SEC network beginning at three eastern.

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"The pride passion than pageantry of college. Football leaves here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast. It is Wednesday day after the play offs. So what has changed about nothing? That's the story on this Wednesday as we say Hello to you. Michigan is is in the top four. Well, a little bit little bit of change. I should say since LSU has departed the top four. But we knew this was going to happen. It looks about like we predicted yesterday. What does it all mean? You got Alabama Clemson Notre Dame? Michigan Georgia is next. What about LSU number seven? Lot of people have been trying to digest that today. Maybe a compliment to Alabama then Washington state West Virginia, Ohio State rounding out the top ten Kentucky. Didn't fall very far number eleven UCF stationary twelve. Syracuse NC state Florida fifteen in spite of a nasty loss. Mississippi State teams all over the place BC which gets clumsiness weekend. Michigan state, Texas Penn State at number twenty you gotta you gotta really bad to get knocked out of this poll, Iowa Iowa State. Says no state Auburn and Washington as your top twenty five. So what does it mean? I think it means. It's very likely Alabama has a room to burn. It seems to me that by dropping LSU only to the seven whole the committee is essentially saying Alabama is so far ahead of everyone else that perhaps they could even lose a game and still make the college playoff. It's early. The show begins now. We say Hello to you were in our normal Wednesday college football season location of C four right here on the East River at the foot of Manhattan, looking just across the from the statue of liberty and right across the river from Brooklyn by the Brooklyn Bridge does any of that matter does not anyway, we'll also get your phone calls at eight five five to four to seven two eight five eight five to four to seven to eight five. Let's begin by talking to Harry, one of our favorite guys down to the big easy. Hilo Harry, Paul. You may make some great analogies on particular on ESPN segments every weekend. You made one thought was not only accurate, but but very very funny, and I enjoyed it. I was gonna ask it to expound on at Ted. That was when you said the big was like a big dog chasing its tail. And here's what I meant by that is that they they keep trying to change their their their methodology. And I don't think it's going to work. They had they they have gone now to the top two teams in the league, which will likely not absolutely. But likely be West Virginia and Oklahoma. They will meet on the Friday night of thanksgiving weekend. And then they'll likely play the next week from Saturday for the championship. And I think they'll cancel each other out. I agree. A hundred percent. The last thing I like to get into that as a question all the the give all consort chance to hanging with LSU this week. Yeah. Harry out a little concerned by LSU state of mind. I think this is a Arkansas season expired weeks ago, but win like this over one of their biggest rivals and Shad Mars has something to point for it. So yeah, I do think it could be an interesting game. It's always hard to come back. After a devastating loss. Let's continue with more phone calls here and Steven is up next even go right ahead. Hey, how're you? We are doing great. Thank you very much. I say longtime listener I remember us and Vickers on air back in the day. Those were the days, my friend. Yeah. Yeah. From home word. And all those people. I don't know. It's just something. I've been thinking about here lately with the ball is going on in Auburn. I don't think they win this weekend, Georgia. I don't think they win into and a half weeks loose. That means they would finish the season seventy five. I'm going to jump over to Georgia for a minute. And then come by my point on Auburn, you look at what's going on in Georgia, garbage smart. They're making their second opinion in the SEC conference. Sam shift Dan's I'm not gonna say they beat Alabama that they certainly have a chance to be Allah bama's. And if they do that they'll make their second appearance in a row in the college football playoff, and my point is over and had a chance to hire Kirby smarts. They gave him a token interview may never had any intentions of hiring Furby. This was back before malzahn was hired if I remember. Yes. Absolutely. I believe that JJ at our win miles on left over to go to Arkansas state. It was. They knew that. When when when they finally got rid of GM snakes. Thank you, very Langford. When I got rid of Chizik plan was always a higher house on eight left hip rarely with intentions of coming back fat interview with pervy smart was messing more than a token interview. And there's probably more just a little poke it Nick save is all. Say Stephen, I don't think Kirby smart in two thousand twelve this is now December of two thousand twelve was was really ready to make that move. The I you're right. I mean, everything you said. Where would well. I don't know the question I have is in two thousand twelve Kirby smart ready to be head coach, I dunno bra. Probably the those things you can learn more in the in the next two years. He didn't already know. But, but I I think he I think herbage March where he wants to be and I think for. Been Stephen thanks for the call. I think there would have always been the lure of Georgia. And remember how Kirby smart got to Georgia. He was about to go to South Carolina and Georgia caught wind of it and decided to make a move on Mark richt. That's the most important thing to remember. They're not going back to win. Gus malzahn was our guest house on was a well thought of coach back then and he he rewarded his bosses by taking Auburn to SEC championship. And nearly a national championship. Milly is up next. Well, hi fall. You look today. Thank you. Anyway. The big reason I'm calling today is that I wanted to think you and Peter for everything that you guys are doing I finding I'm going to see a game that I've wanted to see oh for very long time. And that is Ella them. I wish you all could be there. Millions are that we can't be. Yeah. Anyway, I just also wanted to tell you that I'm sorry that I'll be missing your show on Friday and Saturday because of the out of town, so to speak at the biggest reason I called and said, I know Ella bama's gonna win. And the again, I can't thank you enough for everything. And for everybody else who made this possible. Okay. We mill you have a great time. And we'll talk to you when you get back. Oh, you sure. Oh, I wouldn't miss it for all the tea in China. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Listening to Paul finebaum show podcast other dentist brought to you by holiday inexpressible. Heather I hope you're able to listen to us because. You're the expert. So is it just that there aren't that many good college football teams, if you get to a certain level because some of these are very peculiar, we think what about you. Well, them all and said last night on his teleconference that they see a lot more parody in those lower rankings than they did a year ago. They have more three loss teams ranked at this point in the season than they did last year. So I do think it can I just make a point on. I heard somebody talking about, you know, proponent of an eighteen playoff. Just remember when you think about that that right now, you could have a three loss Pac twelve south team win the whole thing you can have a three or four loss. Big ten west team win the big ten you're looking at Pitt possibly winning the coastal division. And I mean if they upset Clemson. So when you think about those potential upsets in those power five conference championship games. Do you really wanna have automatic qualifiers in because of those potentials for upsets because then you're looking. At a pit team. It's just happens to win the ACC or northwestern or Utah. And I think it's pretty hard to justify any one of those teams being one of the four best teams in the country. And I think is perfect year to kind of pump the brakes on do you really want all conference champions in this thing? Heather. Fair point. Let's let's talk about the top for first of all because there are so many ways to go about two. So help us understand that mentality. And then what's what what's next? Well, I think the top four was pretty self explanatory. And probably what you were thinking as wild Paul with Michigan jumping into that fourth spot. I don't think there was necessarily too much debate between Michigan and Georgia. But certainly some fair conversation between those two teams because Georgia had those back to back wins. But Florida now as you mentioned not looking that great, obviously, I was surprised they were ranked as high as they were. But then LSU not falling that far, I think that was one of the more interesting things. But to me, I thought West Virginia could even move up a little bit higher and one of the other notable things I thought from rob moms teleconference last night was just how closely they're paying attention to the buckeyes struggles over the past two weeks end to me, if only state goes and wins as a one last big ten champ. And then you've got some sort of chaos SEC championship game. I don't think it's a guarantee. That that the buckeyes would get in instead of a an Alabama team that did not win. It's converse championship game. Stay there for a second. Heather because you know, the narrative always wanted to be about Alabama win lose or whatever. So if Alabama loses either to Mississippi State, Auburn or ultimately to Georgia where are they in this playoff situation? Well, lose any of their regular season games, obviously. And still win the SEC there in as a one loss as he c- champ. I think the only debate comes in. If they lose a close game you have to put the emphasis on close game to Georgia in the SEC championship game. Because it depends on what happens if you're looking at a runner up, Alabama and one loss Michigan. I don't think that's a clear cut answer. It terms of who gets the nod there for for that last spot. If Michigan wins the big ten championship because they would have a really great resume and the conference title. So I think that that would be a significant debate in the committee meeting room. Talking to Heather, Heather. There there is this narrative about Alabama which on there you've heard, and there's nothing you or the committee can can do about it. But just as an observer of college football who also happens to specialize in this playoff. How would you evaluate what we've seen now through ten weeks of the college football season is it Alabama against the world. Or are. We just too close to it. Because we talk about Alabama so much. That's a great question. I think that from coast to coast the perception is probably all Bama and the rest of the world, even from casual football fans. And I think it's just because they've been so clearly dominant and the discussions have been had is this invest Alabama team ever? And then after you see what we saw against LSU. I don't think you know, maybe the casual football fan just turned into that game. Because it's one of it was the game of the week so to speak, and they saw for their own is, so no, I don't think it's just us because we're that close to it. I think that they've established themselves in that role, and maybe people aren't paying enough attention to Clemson. Really, really good. If there's one other thing to take out of that selection committee ranking last night, it was that they liked the Atlantic Division with Boston College NC state. Syracuse all being ranked as well. Yeah. No doubt. But unfortunately, for both of them good chance of losing over these next two weeks of the one the one head scratcher. And again, I I've read some of Rob's comments. I was I was in the air last night. So I did not hear his entire teleconference. But but help us deal with with LSU. We understand this. You put a beat down on the number two team in the country. But they also were just taken apart at the seams by the number one team is that why they're number seven because the win. Yeah. Part part of it is. But you remember it was just a week ago that he pointed out that LSU was the only FBI team in the whole country that had played I think it was five or six opponents with winning records end defeated them. And so you take that coupled with the fact that they did lose the Alabama. It's not like the got smoked by northwestern. They got people the number one team in the country that's doing that to everybody. So I think that there was that taken into consideration as well. As what does everybody else, look like Paul if you if you look at Oklahoma and West Virginia and Ohio State and some of those other teams that are kind of hovering around there. It's not like they're that much better. They're all kind of kind of right there. Let's show let's wrap up here in a moment. Talking about UCF, and they didn't move and have not gotten some consideration from this committee. But rob rob is not lathered them with a lot of love in spite of what they think and have said about themselves some of the criticism coming from a lackluster performance even in victory last Thursday night. What's your read on UCF? Well, I think there's that's their lot in life right now. All they're stuck where they are. They're at number twelve and I think that this election committee chair last year, and this year, Raimondo has made it very clear that strength schedule is a problem for them, and it continues to be, but they also haven't played that. Well this year. I mean forget about last year because they don't they don't count all those undefeated games from last season. All they do is look at it up to this point. And I watched a lot of that temple game at and they were fortunate to win that they were forced to be Memphis there. They are not a great undefeated team. But they're good one until their number twelve and UCF fans are going to have to live with that. Easier said than done. Listen, thank you very much. Look forward to talking to you next week. Always great to see you. Thank you. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Phyllis is up next. Hey, Paul how you doing? Okay. Can I ask you something? Did you hear the remarks that cowherd made earlier? I think it was on his show. Channel. Sadly, I do not get a chance to listen to him very much. You know, eight for him to make fun of people in Alabama, but not being intelligent or anything. Well, what did he say? So that would maybe help us better understand. About Alabama not not being they should not be there at Alabama. Of course is not played anybody of going door beat Alabama. We just got through beating Georgia for just remind Colin cowherd. That he picked he picked your Phyllis. You take Gus malzahn beat Nick Sabin two years ago. Addicted Alabama and ghost. What are you? Phyllis. Could you slow down for one second? Let me throw something that you joke about Gant's divers how. Jordan how about oh. My God, I could nine nine AM bad. But not the just you know what? Kanter you stick your head Apolo crafts, take a good deal. Because that's how you get out families back and made them along scare exactly where they need to be. And if they get beat they get the, but it won't be because a your mind jealous map shut your middle. Countered mouth at get away from Alabama stay away from us down your way, don't need you wrote down captured. Thanks ball. Pile is in West Virginia. Kyle welcome to the program. I know it's a miracle that I was wondering your expert opinion on Ilisu till two seven. What teams would they need to Liz in order to get back into the final four. Did you say LSU? Yeah. LSU? LSU's not going to get in the playoffs there. There's no there's no there's no route for them to make it to the college football playoff. They're not going to play in the championship game. They they don't have anything left on the schedule. That is really significant the beating Arkansas won't help beating AM to four loss team. I mean, they're done to be so fatalistic here. But that's the truth. But there's gotta be a way. No, there's there's no way get over. Kyle. Kapatid's under understand LSU's not going to the playoffs. This year. Appreciate your your your holding a torch for red ores, you're on thanks for the call much more to come. Go tigers. Thank right. We'll see. I really it's only four o'clock in the afternoon eastern time zone. But I don't know what I've ever needed a drink more than this first hour after some of these calls that Phillips ran on Cohen Calvert, which I still don't understand. But that call. Was number one in stupidity. Listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Always our weekly stateful at this hour talking to south welder about the analytics of what we learned last night. And what it means is we move forward. Always great to talk to you. I ask you about LSU. Randy was just making reference to go about the questionable ranking any any explanation for that? I realize you don't do it. You just you just analyze everything talking about the fan having this Mike college football playoff ranking? I'm a little more interested in the college football playoff. Yeah. I think so you know with LSU. I guess it's it's funny. I was looking at their numbers. We don't we give them like a two percent chance to make the playoff at this point, which might sound like to too many points to most people. But I suppose that's extraordinarily unlikely. I guess they're just getting respect for the schedule losing Alabama. I guess the committee's thinking, well everyone's gonna lose to Alabama. If they have to plan, let's get to the real nitty gritty 'cause LSU is not a factor. But Michigan and Georgia are many wondering about that many. But some wondering how Michigan ended up where it is ahead of Georgia any explanation for that. Yeah. I wasn't surprised to see Michigan four. But I do think that there would be a pretty good case to put Georgia. They're at at four spot. Georgia's better enough PI, they're better strength. The record bettering efficiency all those things are narrow margin. So it's not like they're leaps and bounds better than Michigan. But I think you could made a pretty good case. Ultimately, I don't think it makes a huge difference because there's not really a scenario. You can find where the fourth spot in the playoffs on selection day comes down to Michigan and Georgia. Okay. It's the weekly question about Alabama not about how great the are. But what happens if? Haley's comet comes around a little bit early this time and Alabama loses. One of these games or the SEC championship game. Take your pick. Yeah. I mean, if they lose the SEC championship game to Georgia. We still think they're in a pretty good spot. But there are ways in which they could end up being knocked out. So you brought up their strength of schedule before. And here's the situation if we do kind of the everybody wins out scenario, Clemson Notre Dame, Oklahoma Michigan. They all went out and Georgia beats Alabama. Then you would be looking at basically, I think Alabama and Michigan vying for that last spot Alabama as a twelve and one non champion playoff predictor thinks that Alabama would be the team with a better shot to get in the playoff at that point. And it really comes down to this. Michigan would have the better strength of schedule. They would be a conference champion and Alabama would have just they would probably pass the test. But it's probably not enough to get them over the hunt. It's a question here. I don't think it's a slam dunk either way. And it does definitely depend on how these teams play throughout the rest of the way. But it does give Michigan a little edge Alabama thinks Alabama probably be out, and that's an area. What are the conversation? I keep hearing is if we get a Michigan Notre Dame conversation was Michigan running the table. How this works out? But we all know about the head to head. The you think that that game which will the day that the committee comes out which will be fifteen weeks. Earlier will matter as much as what Michigan has done since. Then I think it will matter. But to me, at least if I were just trying to read the tea leaves through the committee. I think the thing that Michigan can do is to win the big ten championship because that will be the thing that Notre Dame doesn't have no matter what Notre Dame's knocking to have a conference championship. And so when you're comparing those two teams, it's an easy way from Michigan sort of town or the loss to Notre Dame. Michigan's got the other things going in its favor. It's got it would have the strength of record. It would have the would have the eye test. I think over Notre Dame who's had a lot of close wins. And so if Michigan can win that big ten championship playoff predictor does think in general that if you're talking about a one loss Michigan versa. One. Loss Notre Dame that it would like Michigan over Notre Dame. About couple of other schools, namely, Ohio State. We have forgotten about them. But some people believe we'll see what you think that they could weasel. And I mean, we hear way back into the situation by running the table including a win over Michigan. Well, look, I think that they're being ranked at number ten that's absolutely fair, given what they've accomplished and how they've played and obviously the loss and not just how they lost. But the way they lost to Purdue that being said, we do give Ohio State of pretty good chance to make the playoff if it can run the table. And so I think what you're talking about there right in that eighty percent range, which seems high. But there are a lot of situations where teams lose and you're still talking about a one loss big ten champion. I do think that the question becomes if we're talking about the sort of the previous scenario that we've talked about where it becomes Michigan. Maybe Alabama as at twelve and one team that we said playoff predictor with like Michigan. I'm not. So sure it would like Ohio State in that situation. Because Ohio State is not pass the test to the same way that Michigan does. So the couple of strays here before we wrap up. Syracuse had a really good season under Dino vapors. They played Notre Dame next week. What your Cessna them? I was that was a real big surprise looking at the rankings last night to put them thirteen. That's not a number that the metric support. So they ranked fortieth FBI twenty six in strength of record and still neither neither good enough to justify that ranking or how they accomplish enough to justify that ranking lease according to our metrics, and to me what it says is that you're looking at what they've done recently. Right. So they they're on a little bit of a win streak. But just imagine if Syracuse play Penn State is kind of the team that I'm looking at Penn State would be favored no question about it. No matter where that game is played. I think we'll be favored over Syracuse. That's a team. That's just ranked maybe a bit too high. To me. It just says that the committee is considering consciously or some consciously just sort of your most recent results, and you know, what we are saving for last always f- their number twelve not getting good reviews from the committee, but their fans still think they are the ready issed. And the question now becomes are. They even the best of the group of five teams. Look our numbers say, no, I remember say Fresno state would be the best group of five team. Maybe probably around a field goal favorite. If Fresno state were to play UCF just on a neutral field. And so I think with UCF which we have is by the way under one percent to make the playoff with their schedule situation is only getting worse south Florida took a big hit to its reputation obviously with their big loss over the weekend. And that was a game. I think that UCF sorta counting on is being a staple win. If they get that. I I don't think that they see that anymore. You see strength of schedule ranks one hundred twelve now very hard to justify putting them in with that. Up. You're not planning on sleeping tonight. That UCF fans are coming after you. I'll I know every week. They're such good fans. Anyway, we will see next Wednesday. Thank you as always. Thanks for listening to Paul finebaum show podcast as envoy. Gavin loved playing football. He lived and breathed wanted to go clue when he'd spent hours upon hours just touchdown dances at one day. Well, getting Michael goals. He realized he was never much good at throwing or running or country nor even kicking. Yeah. Gavin's chances of playing football. We're looking like fourth and long very long, but he did hear how could save money on car insurance. So he switched and save. Then he did a touchdown. At least he was still good at that. Larry is of next. Bob. Larry good after them. Oh. Check it out. No, we aren't to party favors voted. The nature whatever, and I'm not going. She does her job of what she supposed to do. But it's kind of home and same old song and dance last year. Anything to keep us out at any time. Larry, larry. Slobber? No, your number one country. If you win the game, it's not gonna make any difference. Why you hating so much on the critics? I'm heightened because we can't enjoy the season. Not just just like real world. Nobody's having any. You're gonna hear here. Having any fun listening to you. Get your panties. Okay. Jack. Now toneless brother. Oh, really, okay. Let me tell you something a unit. Co two us at gay Daniels of. I need to step in and Gary Danielson cho- me bummy, don't just lie Mark or smartly QB y'all coup gives Bama y'all conspiracy one. Versus Mirko QB X not here. Randy and John or here today. Larry today's a day where I am just absolutely sick of you acting like I hate Alabama. I hate your team. That's a joke. Cook collusion. All of the Larry thing. Damn right. I do Larry. I'll tell you. This is this is a day, Jack. This is had enough sickie you act in running your mouth like we hate Alabama and this control. That's an absolute joke. Always been doing for the last four years on this network. Larry propping up Alabama saying you got a problem with us. We hate Alabama. You said to take a shot number down. Danielson says well, we got in here. The whistle job, the whistle. And nobody says. Nothing. Gary jail worse. Receive Gary Danielson works for CVS. He doesn't work for US PSA doesn't work for this show. What is Gary Danielson? How do with us? You know? I'm staying as a guest on us. Joe shooter said. I'm getting no. You've been getting love from the inception of this network. Larry the entire college football landscape talks about every week as the greatest of all time to this quarterback Valentine, everybody's playing what else do you want? Wow. Respect one there. Larry. Get your head out of the commode. Okay. What I say go ahead of the KOMO and law. No, no, you're talking to you have annot earthly idea what you're talking about. Larry baked ham. John. Atlanta, Jack, none no, no done. Larry, you're off the show. You have to you're in time out. You're listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Bever manage should joining us. Now, I know you walk around airports all over the country. People are asking you not only about Alabama. But can anyone stop Alabama? You understand the game better than most of us have not all of this. What about it Trevor? Yeah. I think if if Clemson had LSU secondary. Then I think you'd have a chance the closest secondary is the best that to has faced in his life. And they actually did a pretty good job against Alabama certainly compared to anybody else. But the front of LSU wasn't disruptive enough you need those two things you need a secondary. That can cover down you need a defensive line that can both stop the run and get pressure on the pasture without having the blitz. And there's two teams in the country right now that I think fall into that category. Three actually Michigan's defense is like. Alabama's offense clemson's defense. I think would match up. Well, and I think Notre Dame's defense matches better than people would think against Alabama. Now, the fact that they match up doesn't mean that they will win. It means that they have the components to be able to have a much better chance than anybody else. Jala bama's faced I realize we're talking about here. But after what you saw Saturday night with Alabama's defense. How would you grade that part of the Alabama football team right now? Trevor I give them an A watching bama's defense early in the season. It looked like sometimes they never played football before their lives secondary. You would see guys wide open and the early opponents sometimes torched them there. Sometimes they couldn't get the ball to those wide open receivers. That's one of the reasons that with Alabama crushing everybody Nick Sabin was so distraught being interviewed after big wins. That's one of the reasons I think he jumped over Maria Taylor, which he shouldn't have done. I'm sure he regrets. But now, but he was frustrated because he didn't see a five touchdown win. He saw defense that kept busting assignments. Will now those young players in the secondary. Are learn how to play well together, they know where to stand they know who to look at and their alignment and assignment is much more sound as they gained experience as group this year. And I think right now they're playing at a level where I give them a great day. Let's let's just quickly go through album schedule status weeks in Georgia. And then excuse me, state, Auburn and Georgia. We hear a lot about Mississippi stage defense, especially the defensive line. What issues can can they present for this album offense, especially to? I think the defense of line will stop the run of Alabama, or at least they'll slow him down better than anybody else has this year against the tide. I think they will get pressure onto it without Blissett. But I don't think they have a secondary. That's even close to what LSU hat, and the problem is too is so good at his pre snap reason understanding where he wants to go with the ball that he gets it out very very quickly. And so if you can't cover tightly to make him hold the ball an extra beat to allow the pass rush to get there. It's all for not. So to me, I see this game playing out as Alabama will commit to the run, but it won't be as dominant as it normally is not even close, but it will be primarily a passing attack. That'll carry them to a really big win. Let's talk about what Georgia faces this weekend in Auburn team that has miraculously still alive. And I say that team that we all saw it would be a little bit better. How does this game match up on the field for you on the field? These guys they're ranked. Right. I'm looking at the ranking right now, we're that. Yeah. They're they're still live on the field. I think Auburn has got a lot of problems on offense of injuries and in terms of chemistry. They have not been able to put the pieces together long enough before the other pieces get hurt. And so the offense is really struggling. But Auburn has one matchup that's really bad for Georgia. And that is the defensive line is still one of the best in the country. Georgia's offensive line is really banged up. And the best piece on that offensive line is center Lamont Gilead this last year, they're he's he's a senior. He is absolutely one of the best in the country at that position. And he hurt his knee last week against Kentucky. And so he'll be gimpy if he plays. So when you add all that together all the good things that Georgia can do on offense may be overwhelmed because of the injuries on the office of line that means it will come down to a low scoring defensive struggle. That's where Auburn might have an advantage because when you've got their style of offense where the quarterback is a little bit more involved in the running game. Even those isn't a big run. Owner you still have those threats to stress the defense in a low scoring ugly game. All it takes one guy out of position and one first down to get that field goal. That's offers. Hope they have a chance to do it because of their defensive line matching up against that banged up Georgia offensive line. Trevor manage was Trevor we haven't really talked much about Clemson. They're starting to really put it together. Some of criticize the opposition. They can't do anything about that. But they're dominating. They have a tough game at least in theory this week going up to Boston College. How do you see that? That is tough Paula just because Boston College is very physical team on both sides of the line of scrimmage and AJ Dylan. They've got a powerful running back. He's a bit dinged up as well. And I just talked to Dave Pollock. He's going up there with the game day crew this weekend. And he got the weather report. He said that it's it's overcoat. Mandatory it's going to be cold and rainy up there, which also helps Boston College a little bit. But what I see in? Clemson is the quarterback Trevor Lawrence progressing, mentally, far more. Far more quickly than I expected him to. We always knew we had that great arm, but that's a thrower in for Clemson to get to where they wanna go which is the national championship and get through the teams need to get through to get there. The quarterback needs to be a quarterback. In other words, he needs to manage game situations. Yes. To understand the speed of the game. What to do when to go for a big play wind? Eat the ball. All those situational things that a young hotshot freshman quarterback that used to scoring touchdown every play in high school doesn't do yet. And what I've seen from Trevor Lawrence is from the beginning of season two now, especially against the blitz. Mentally this game a down so much for him. And I see what teams trying to blitz him. He finds the weak spot in the coverage behind the blitz before they can hit him with free runners, this is happening a lot. And if he continues to do that that he will be ready for primetime. He will be ready to keep up the scoring track. Meet against the best teams that he might face in the playoff. Trevor before you go some thoughts about Michigan. So you mentioned great defenses. We all respect what they're doing up there. But talk a little bit to us about their road ahead, which clearly goes through Columbus, Ohio. Their defense is national championship caliber, the committee has said their spokesman Mullen said that this is the best defense of the country. You can't really argue with that certainly certainly one of their offices improved from heinous to pretty good. And that's a big improvement with them. The thing about Michigan though, Paul is it they don't control their own destiny. Even though there are a number four right now. Even though if they went out they went at Oklahoma, excuse me at Ohio State. They would have to win the big ten championship game resume. They still don't control their destiny. Here's why. If Georgia beats Alabama in a close one in the championship game. Then Georgia's in the playoff they will be the SEC champion with one loss with the best individual win of the season that went over Alabama. Should they beat him in the championship game? But Ella Bama still better than any other team in the country. I mean, do you think Paul if Alabama faced Michigan at a neutral field right now who's the better team who would win Alabama or Michigan? I don't think it's even close Trevor, and you know that right? And so the committee would think that too. So if that happens if Georgia knocks off Alabama in the SEC championship game if Notre Dame and Clemson went out then Michigan can win out from their number four position right now and still not be in the playoff. So I think we'll refence got a lot to have angst about going forward. No. We don't have any angst about talking to you. It's always extremely knowledgeable and enjoyable. Thank you Trevor. We will see very soon poll. Thank you, great stuff as always one of the best around, and certainly among the most. Knowledgeable when it comes to breaking things down listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Talking about the college football playoff. What else? Can we talk about? Now, let's be honest be joined by the head of the college football playoff. He is Bill. Hancock joins us every week here on the program to give us some analysis of what he heard Bill. Thanks, always for joining us on these Wednesday nights. So two weeks in what have we learned good afternoon? Good afternoon, Paul. Well, we learn more thing yesterday active all pretty darn good. You used to run the club, the AA basketball committee and the tournament and know you've seen some great players over those many years. We may have we may be looking at the best. I'll tell you. It reminded me of some of the early UNLV team about nineteen ninety. What what proforma and I know it's a long season. But wow, it was pretty cool. I would agree with you on that. Well, halftime we got the the college football reveal. That's a new tradition. Unlike any other that we have with with that classic. A little bit of movement. And certainly a lot of conversation today, but help us better understand this committee and what they what they faced over the weekend. And what they came up with last night. Obviously, you know, what happened at the top. And I found it fascinating that this week. We had what seven of our teams from about eleven to twenty five law and that led to a fair amount of debate in the committee rooms, some some teams moved up. That the committee spent a lot of time in that group. Not the short change the top group, which they didn't. But it was fascinating. Kind of what happened at the middle in the middle section last weekend. Bill was I realize that may be the most difficult part of this committee. If you really are looking at it quickly, you see a lot of schools. They just got hammered over the weekend, though, LSU still seven Florida the inexplicably lost to Missouri. They're still ranked. And I realized this committee is looking at many many things, but help help put some some context into what they do after the first four, and I know they're not just looking at one loss record. Because some of these teams have played very, very good schedules. Yeah. You know that they just keep voting the teams in through the seven rounds of voting. And then they go back and look at it and say did do we need to revote any of the what strikes me is how every season is different. And the thing about this season is there's a lot of parody. You saw all three loss teams that are bunk st- in there to get it be below about what fourteen or fifteen I don't remember having that many teams with three losses in that range of this early. It's nothing that the committee did different just. He's just. By now, every season is different. And there's more teams that have beaten each other. And Bill the easiest thing in the world is to criticize these people. But I want to ask you about this and the committee changes. So you can't say, okay. Just because they did something in fourteen fifteen sixteen they're still doing it because they're not the same people. But would you agree? I think he would that this committee. Of committee doesn't necessarily follow a script because they've done some things like last year like a couple years ago when they went with the Ohio State who lost the head to head. They definitely have a mind of their own w I David. Do. And this is before I think he and I even talked about this. This is not your granddaddy associated Chris ranking? Nothing nothing like this ever been done in college football before where you have a group of experts sitting around a table starting over every week. And yeah, it's different than what we've had before. I think the best way to ranked teams that that we've ever had in college football. The reason we bring this up. I mean, I'm on these programs, and you. You certainly have conversations with people in the industry, and everyone always wants to come up with that. That's Norio and the one I kept hearing today is what if Michigan and Notre Dame or battling it out. They have a head to head. But. How much of that is going, and I realized we're speculating Bill, but how much of that is going to matter. These things that we think are important what what does the committee think's important? The speculation is great fun for fan. And if you and I were down at the corner store talking about college football. We we'd be speculating, but the committee doesn't do it. They don't have time to do it. It would be a waste of their kind to do it. They just ranked teams based on what has happened. And. Yeah, Notre Dame has head over Michigan. What's going to happen? Always happen. If we get closer to the end of the season is there many head to head and many common opponent gains in so many that they're going to Trump each other. If you will. So it comes down to. Yes. Looking at the data. Yes. Looking tiebreakers. But also the committee members look at how. On the field. I realize there's there's a lot of criteria that has to go into. But how much of it really comes down to what they see the eye test. And ultimately picking the four best teams. Or some of the members. What they've seen on the field and their video was more important for other members. It's. And I hear them say let's look at the stats in for other members of twin as you remember when when you did the mock exercises when we locked when we lineup. Pre-teens fourteen side by side. And they go down game by game looking at their your schedules. I think that's another beauty of this is that we have these experts, but they each have slightly different perspective. And I know you answered this question the past. But I always think it's good to revisit it. Why? Now. And what I mean by that some people say, well, why don't you wait till later on because there are so many things that are going to cancel each other out right now. So why does it start when it did a week ago? Well, a couple of things first of all we wait till after week nine. So we have enough games to really matter. And as we know the preseason polls are wonderful fun. We love to talk about balancing bookstore. But if they're meaningless. And why why do we do poll rankings before the season ends? First of all we didn't want to just drop ranking on people the last week without people having a chance to understand what the committee was thinking look for them. And I don't want to be critical of the sports that I spent sixteen years with into into basketball. But there when I was there that committee just just met selection weekend in booth, and I like the fact that we are giving the fans glimpse into. What committee is thinking all teasing loan. I think it helps people understand the process, and it also helps to committee to analyzed over these five weeks before selection weekend because. Get this election weekend. They talk about everything about everything. But they know they know everything they know which game the left tackle bit. They know when the quarterback change happen because they talked about it in anything. It is a much more educated committee that meets onto election weekend. Because they've been analyzing these teams for five weeks before. It's a good answer. And I think it does explain because you probably have heard every available criticism. I know your your friends a lot of people in the media. No, you you've been in the media before how much attention do you pay to the narrative out there? And is that something that your committee members care one? Bit about. Zero. I appreciate critical thinking because I did used to be in your in the media. I love critical thinking at all levels. But the fact is. There's so much passion for college football that the passion generates I guess what you'd call noise. And there's so much noise on on every side of every issue that we don't want to say, we don't pay attention to it. But but we really don't. We just go in rice the pains. A lot of noise. I wouldn't have it wouldn't have it any other way. Because it's reflective of that passion. Always great to catch up Bill. Thanks for making time. Thanks, take care. Bike hanke. Like clockwork always was on these day after thank you for listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum show. Weekdays on the SEC network. Getting easter.

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"The. The pride passion and pageantry of college football leaves here. This is Paula pine bomb show. Our to podcast. We welcome you back. The second hour is live in the NCW basketball tournament is slowly upon us in one of the hottest teams coming into the tournament. The Auburn Tigers fresh off four days in Nashville capped off by a dominating twenty point win over the Tennessee vol's, Bruce Pearl the head coach of Auburn winning the SEC tournament for the first time since nineteen eighty-five Bruce was still in high school probably back then anyway, Bruce, Pearl joining us coach, thank you very much. Congratulations. What what an incredible week in Nashville. Well, paul. That five hours. High school. They would have been my third year while you were close. Yeah. We were close. Heck we had a great weekend in Nashville. We played we played hard. We didn't always play. Well, but we clearly played our best basketball in the championship game on Sunday. And I don't want to harp too much on because I know you're you're you you have to move on. But just watching you seeing the emotion from you, and so many other people associate with that program. Try to describe what it meant and still does. Well, it it winning championship is is always very emotional winning them back to back is is special and then winning them in men's basketball at Auburn is rare. So you combine those three things together. And then of course, in Nashville, Tennessee in front of all nation, and you know, I've got great respect and loyalty, and so many friends who a lot of people at Tennessee, and our time there was very very sweet. And and so, you know, I know it didn't end. Well, there were some leaders that made some decisions that I didn't agree we as a countable from mistakes. And but that doesn't that doesn't reflect Tennessee. Oh, Tennessee, aren't hey, coach fomer AD at Tennessee. And they didn't treat him. Right. And and he's now the tractor. So there no hard feelings there. I two children that graduated from the university of Tennessee where my favorite guys on television and radio Paul finebaum. I think graduate of. To the ball. But, but it was no it's really it was really special because we played so well, and we beat a very very dominating team. So that was that was special. It's a quick turnaround. So you get back and it's late Sunday night. And you find out you're gonna get on a rocket ship and fly halfway across the world for your next game. I I know there's no time to complain. But what are your thoughts on on on? How it ended up for you and wear what? Wait a second. I'm jewish. There's no turn to complain. I do. No complaints complaints at maybe maybe worn it. It won't affect the team will be fine. Yes. Coming back. Sunday night Monday. Seems like a blur got the kitchen class we met watching the film. We didn't practice. We've got an a plane early this morning, and we just landed in Utah about you know, a half hour ago. And I'm hoping that now for the next, you know, day and a half were able to kind of get her legs back. Get a wits about us. We're gonna head over to Utah university in practice practice in that altitude right now, try to get yourselves adjusted. I will offer one complaint last year as a four seat that sent sent to beautiful city of -fornia, no complaints. There had made the terminuses two thousand three you could send us the ten bucks to. But we get one of the prettiest cities and Mesa cities. And what a great experience for our. But now coming back out to Utah, another gorgeous place, the pause fans can't make it out here. They couldn't get the sandiego. The parents of my players they most of them cannot afford to travel out this far and one of the reasons why the pod system was created was so that that wouldn't happen. All the time. It's okay that it's happened once and it's okay. That after twice I hope maybe it won't happen. Third time. If reports report to make the deduction ship, you can't. And to complicate matters. You have an afternoon game early morning. Maybe where you are. And I've lost track of what time zone you're eleven thirty. Yeah. I mean that to me, and I realized you know, television television. There's a million games. You can put people wherever you wanna put them. There's no law that says you have to play that that time of the day is there. No, no. But I think are these inspired the television around it's a huge kinda looked at television current treks important for the NCW to operate to be able to pay the bills. And so I get that. It doesn't put the players at risk. Look we played at nine thirty tip in Maui. You know, when we played in the Maui invitational. So I don't think it affects both teams are gonna get out of bed bowl team. During a play. We've got a tough draw were in the five twelve so we're in the dreaded five twelve for the other five and the Mexico state has lost since January a couple of the losses early in the season. One was like two three points to Kansas when Kansas was, you know, fully loaded with all their personnel. Christianity has terrific job. They actually play like us. And I don't mean to say that just as a just a couple of to us, but they pay ten guys eleven guys. They they're fast quick, they shoot a three ball. They shoot early in the clock in late in the clock. They play really. Hard defensively. The one thing that neither one of us. Having advantage. We're used to being quicker team in. We're used to being a smaller Team New Mexico state is used to playing against teams like us because we don't have overwhelming size. They're used to playing teams like us in their own league. I think from a match ups I actually think it's an advantage for them because we have to the SEC take advantage of our quickness as we play against bigger teams. But this is not a bigger team. So this is a tough match frescoes play differently. A little bit that we gotta play most hone- and C C does that make sense? Not nothing makes sense to me. But I think I think the audience understood with what you're saying coach, listen, you you've had great success as a basketball coach you've made it to the elite eight I'm interested. Oh when you have this short turnaround. I realize you've just been on a flight for longtime. But Wendy, you get your prep work in. And how do you do it? Because there as we all know time is short. Yes. When you've got four games in four days short when you find out Sunday night that you're playing Thursday morning. You get all the time in the world. And so we worked Sunday night. We worked all day Monday. It's Tuesday right now, I got four hours on a plane and nothing, but video, you know. So you know, where the team is right now they have studied table in about a half hour because we're gonna miss a few days a class this week will sit down with them, and they'll get the second look into Mexico state. You know, we've got a breakdown. It's not rocket science. You know, this is what they do is what we do. Let's see out next up against each other. So I think we've got plenty of time to we're fine is far preparation Nellis. If this was the first couple of games in a season. And we haven't seen a certain kind of defense or we haven't been tracked before or we didn't see full court pressure early in the year when you don't have everything in because you can't all of a sudden short prep fact, but at the end of the year they've seen everything we're gonna throw at him. We've seen everything that they're gonna throw it s just trying to put the ball out there play. Bruce, Pearl will let you get to work because there is plenty more to do again. Just congratulations. So many people moved by that moment as the game was coming to an end. And but there's no time for that. But there will be time at some point down the road to to cherry show what your team and your staff accomplished. Congratulations. Again, coach you, and my mom and a few people. So my is get a little wet. Nobody else. The rest of the country. Nice fall. Always coach great. Good luck. Thanks. Thanks for being on. I Pearl joining us from Utah on a Tuesday morning Tuesday afternoon out there. We'll talk more about the number of sports, including football during Mason around the corner your phone calls as well as we continue here on this March afternoon. We welcome. You back. Glad you are here and more phone calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five and Derek Mason will also join us here at the bottom of the hour. Let's get right back to the calls and Zach is next up in Florida as act. Hey poll question. I think you saw the tape Martell was eligible just this past half hour. How does it pack the Florida my? The. Well, I think it's a significant development Miami has a quarterback which they didn't have. And I think it I wouldn't say necessarily gives them an advantage. But it gives them a better chance of winning. That's that's a really intriguing game considering it's now at week zero of the college football season. So I I really do think as you as you think about it. Now that. It makes the game a little bit tighter. Hey, let's move onto our analytics experts Seth Walter joining us we haven't talked to Seth too much. But since football season, I should say a guy that yontef. This is a time when people need analytics experts everyone trying to fill out a bracket. Guess what's going to happen tournament about to begin? We thank you for being here. So happiness her help us understand the numbers game. And and should we listen to all the cliches, we just had Bruce Pearl any talk about the five twelve game. That's the former ESPN analyst in him. So give us the primer for the tournament. I think the interesting thing when you look at the numbers for this year's tournament. Is that most people think that do is far and away the favorite? But actually, our numbers are kind of have a really different perception of this year's field. Certainly Duke is one of the favorites. But so is Virginia. And so is guy we actually have for genius. Zagayev as the two most likely teams to win the turnament head of Duke part of the reason for that is because Duke ended up in the same region as Michigan state and Virginia Tech the committee really didn't help the blue devils out. I'm not saying anyone shedding a tear for Duke, but they have a tough road. And so I think that this is a very interesting tournament because of that. Yeah. We we've had so many people call them say man Michigan state job because they're not in the same division as Duke. But I've found I find what she's very interesting in happen to light Virginia myself. Maybe it's the contrarian in me thinking that maybe because last year they had the most embarrassing loss ever, they'll they'll have they'll be on a redemption tour, of course, they lost in Charlotte the other night which made a lot of people on easy. But, but why is Virginia given so much of a chance other than the fact that they look like the strongest team out there. I mean, what other reason do you need? I mean, they have when you look at the adjusted offense efficiency numbers. Ahead of Duke, the adjusted defensive officiency numbers their head of Duke as well. So I think that there's an element to this. That says, well, you know, it's not what what you did. It's where you going. We still think Virginia is probably just has a little bit of an edge. I agree with you there, not you know, because of what happened last year, they're not going to be sleeping on anybody. And I think that Virginia probably like if you're in a bracket pool represents a value because people are scared of what happened last year. And let's be honest. They're they're a lot less exciting than say Duke team. It's really captured the nation right now. Let's talk a little closer to home here. I mean, they're teams in the SEC that many have going to the final four. But before we get to the obvious LSU. I don't know if your metrics can can discuss an F B I investigation coach who's likely to be gone. That has been subpoenaed an interim coach who quite frankly failed in his first big effort out. How did the analytics take into consideration off the court activities? Well, they don't. And so what you have to do when you're considering the situation is trying to figure out a little bit around the edges where that might have white where the might have an effect. But what I will say is that we were pretty down on LSU already. We thought they were overseas did, and they they didn't really deserve at least quality wise three seed. And so I think that this situation can help. And so if we're already down on LSU, we don't really see them having. A great shot to get past Michigan state. And actually, that's one of the reasons why we don't think Michigan state got that type of the deal because they got an easy three in LSU's. I would say if you're looking at a bracket, I would avoid having LSU go far, we do not think that's value team burst poll just joined us from Utah. What about the Auburn Tigers? I think Auburn actually is in an interesting position. They get Kansas as a four beatable game. We have almost a fifty percent chance to reach the Sweet Sixteen which is about as good as you could possibly hope for when you're a five seed, and then the real key is that there are five season they got North Carolina in their region. So we haven't as Virginia Gonzaga Duke as a clear top tier? And then there's a big gap between that and then UNC and the other number two other number two seeds. So if you're an offer if you're Auburn you're in about as good as spot as you can be at the team we liked even before the tournament. Again, a number of other. Schools from this region in the term. We'll talk to talk to Kerma Davis earlier. We'll talk to Ben Jalan later. You have ole miss Mississippi State larva just among those remaining that aren't getting much conversation. No. I don't think that the SEC those other outside outside teams. I'm not sure they're they're real contenders. Obviously to teams of the top could put the SEC into the final four. But I don't think that we see from a numbers perspective any of those other teams going on some sort of surprising run. Okay. So let's break down the two top dogs. One happens to be a cat, the university of Kentucky and Tennessee, the metrics, obviously favor Kentucky. Yes, we like the cats. Exactly. So we think Kentucky's both the better team. And in the better situation, they actually sort of drew a tough seventy Wofford. That's that's a team. That's understood. But Kentucky we think is is the better team. I already mentioned that being North Carolina's region. If you're is the best thing that you can possibly do for your chances. And that's exactly what Kentucky did. So I think that they're probably the SEC's best. We the SEC about a six percent. Chance to be the national title national champion, eventually becoming from the SEC best shot is Kentucky. And we actually have them as I think it's twenty four percent chance to reach the final four is a big gap between them and Tennessee down thirteen percent. I'm not great at math. I know what? Twenty four percent means. But. How does that compare to Virginia do on Jag and North Carolina? It's not it's not on the same plane. Well, it is with North Carolina sort of similar ballpark with North Carolina. But the other teams they're just so we think that Gonzaga we think for Jinya, we think Duke are all just playing at such a level of of the rest of the country. They're much more likely to get in to the final four. I think we have zagged sixty five percent to get into the final four. I know that's going to shock a lot of people, but they have dominated the season in a way, that's truly remarkable. And so we think that that is a much more likely scenario than say Kentucky in the final four definitely can happen. I think that that region is Kentucky's region is a lot more wide open than the others. Tennessee has to do with Virginia. I don't want to. I don't want argue with the numbers, but help us understand them better. Tennessee. I mean, we think are a good team. Look, I think that Tennessee's funding to watch that you know, sort of this old school style and a time when the NBA is moved away from playing the way that Tennessee has enjoyable to watch. But I think that ultimately when you're when you're looking at it Virginia team has just been more efficient on both ends of the court. And so it's gonna be really difficult for I should say they match up very well offense together, but Virginia's defense I think would be the Trump card against Tennessee. All good. Thank you very much. We'll talk soon. Thanks, Paul says Walter joining us from ESPN to talk about. The NCW basketball tournament. Well, it's football season. We saw pro day going on in Tuscaloosa, we have another guest who has a lot to say about maybe one of his former players heading toward the pros and is upcoming team. Derek Mason will jump on board here next. Back. Glad you're here on what's been very busy to the afternoon. The basketball tournament about to begin a lot of conversation there, but we're not done with football season. In fact, while we heard from Greg McElroy about Alabama just getting going with Frink practice. Our next guest is well into the spring drills. I was in Nashville last week reading a little bit about the Commodores, and Derek Mason is here to tell us a lot more coach, thanks for the time. And your spring game is just around the corner. I'm really interested as we said Hello to you the philosophy behind starting early and obviously getting done early. Well, hey, Paul first of all it's good to see for us the philosophy behind starting spring ball early. And it's been that way for the last four years for me. I like the idea of starting early. So I can give these young men an opportunity. I if there is an an accident or injury for these men to go ahead and have. Surgery, and let's get fixed. Let's get healed the other part of it is too. I think it provides a longer training cycle on the other side of spring ball as we head in the summer okay in extend summer gonna fall camp. So it's just about maximizing time and opportunity, and that's exactly what we look to do. And it seemingly paid off just had your contract extended after yet. And I'll say this under my breath, another victory over the university of Tennessee. I know there's a lot more to a program than that. But going to bowl games going to another bowl game beating Tennessee on a regular basis. That's pretty good for Vanderbilt football. Well, I mean, I it's been part of the process again, we we have to be processed centered. And that's really where we're at. Now. It's about taking next steps. But we do it with an offense coming back that that has some talent we have Keyshawn von GOP ni in collage Lipscomb. You feel pretty good about that. And the quarterback battle between Riley Neal and do swallows continues in that thing's probably gonna go through fall camp. But you know, defensively we gotta grow up. We've got some guys replace we've got some some some good town on the defensive side of the ball is starting to show itself. But it's got to be about fundamentals. We've had to recalibrate in and get back till place where we understand who we are. We got to play better defensive stop to run. And that's which is about. So we're on Warren phase one. This thing right now. So here we go in jury Gdansk you takes over for Andy, let wick at moves up. So I doubt there should be a big learning curve there. There is no learning curve. Jerry, douse king. And I have a lot of history together and to Mexico state together at Ohio University with Frank solich where we're where we help resurrect that program a little bit. And and I think Jerry, you know, his sort of, you know, waited waited patiently. We started out as tight ends coach move mood to quarterbacks coach two years ago. Did a great job of grooming cows Shurmur, and I think, you know, all along in my opinion. He he he was the guy that I was looking at just based on the simple fact, he knew what was in the building. There wasn't going to be a big change. And really what we were able to do was get to the best parts of what we can do quickly. So it's been good. The Transition's been great guys guys have loved the competition. And now, we got gotta continue to gain ground. I know you mentioned him guiding Kyle we're not far from the draft draft, of course in Nashville in a couple of weeks. So what about Carl's prospects? Cows don't great. I think everybody thought he was going to go to the combine in an actually be. It'd be one of the slowest guys there when you looked at his combat, Tom you like, wow, they maybe I could rent a couple more zone with the guy, you know, but I do know this about cow cow prepared. Well. Ultimate competitor had a good postseason at at the at the senior bowl when I thought for him is I looked at his his his his full body of work at pro day. My mom is ready. He's ready to go to the next level plays under center. He gets it. I think he's gonna have to come in as a backup in that league. But men believe me he'll grow into a star or some point time in his career to take take a second in reflect back on your journey because when you took over it wasn't easy there. There was a lot of doubting even by you. You had to make some changes and gets us program on the right track. I've already alluded to the success. But but give us you mentioned process. Give us a blueprint for what happens next for Vanderbilt football. Well, I've talked about it before. But I think the idea is you gotta you gotta learn how to compete you, really. Gotta learn how to compete, and that's and that's the thing. That's really alluded us consistently. I think at the end of the day when we when were a team that that that weekend and week out competes and moves the needle forward and turn to what are processes, which is to to not beat ourselves. Okay. We're gonna find ourselves in the Mr. playing football. When I look at our program. We're we're we're three and ten and one possession ballgames over the last three seasons. Okay. We're we're we're one in three in sixteen a one and one seventeen in one in three in eighteen we've gotta find a way to move that to two and two or three and one in our favor. And so would that gets back to process? So I think this group is. Is peppered with some veterans. A lot of senior leadership recruiting is been a little more dynamic. And I think we we've we've been able to develop guys. So now, I think we can get to some of the best parts of what we we've we've been building towards now with program culture in place and now and now having some good players. Now, what we gotta do is is sustainability. So that's where we're at a little bit about the schedule. I it's rare that you see a conference game as early as you are playing one against Georgia. Sometimes you do see them in the second week, but very rarely in the first week head of that about well, scheduling scheduling, I think the SEC always is looking for inventory early in the season. We we've we've never shied away from playing early games that we play out Carolina maybe twice like in my tenure here early in the season. And that's part of it. You gotta play at some point time. And with these teams. Sometimes you play these games early. It's exciting. It kicks off the college football season. We have a chance to open up with Georgia probably going to be a top ten top twelve team. And then we go to produce. And then we come back and play LSU at home. And this is where you know this programs. Gotta make a move. I mean, it's about again stepping up playing big on a big stage. And there's no bigger stays in the SEC. Coach in national the other day and happened to see attribute that they played in in the arena to to David Williams passed away a couple of weeks ago. And when when they got to you, I really had to clutch, my heart just listening to what you said. And and watching the emotion, and I don't wanna be a Downer here. But he he was such an important figure to everyone in that city and everyone in this league and around the country, and especially to you. Yeah. You know, David Williams as the gang. He he really did. He he was a mentor. He was a friend, and he was an advocate for student athletes who was all about social Justice in making sure that that the things we've done the right way. David Williams will will forever stand here. Vanderbilt University for everything that's good about college athletics. The idea of getting a great education, the idea of playing sports at the is level and not really apologizing for any of it. So his legacy moves. On through the student athletes that are here and moves onto this administration in terms of its vision to to push towards greatness. And it will always be with me as I I looked to try to move the needle from where we are to where we need to be. Wonderful tribute many, thanks coach hope that he's take care. You got Derek Mason. Joining us from Nashville take a break. Lot more to do today, including a couple of more guests, including Ben how and later on this -issippi state in the tournament for the first time in a long time and your phone calls today. Five to four to seven to eight five. God you are here. Trying to grab some calls here. We have not talked to too many folks how about Sean is up next. Sean gerrad head. Other. I do both. We're doing okay. Oh, you spending. We use playing. Upping this year. So all all thank you. No good. Thanks you on the call. Jacob is up next. Hello jacob. Hey, paul. This is Jada from gummy Alabama. Odd one here. What your what are your thoughts were on ole miss and the basketball tournament? Yeah. I think all mission will get get past Oklahoma. That would be prediction for round one. Let me I'm trying to remember who they play next. They win that game. Bracket and the second. But. I did not like their second round match up. Tony is up next in Alabama. Hello, tony. Hey, how you doing Frisch time? Call alone. Time listening doing great. Thank you talk about. Okay. When we head coach at the our head basketball coach. Yeah, he was there. Four years ago. You got to the point where they should have found it. Let's give him one. No. That was a mistake. You're absolutely right. And that that's going to be the same mistake here. You know that year often had per look why they are. Yeah. I mean, by the way, Anthony who's now at Dayton, by the way, and at the four year Mark Bruce was on the market. He had come off of his show 'cause he was available. And I I know I know for fact of friend of Rousses. Unbeknownst Bruce called Alabama and suggested Bruce and said he would he would probably take the job. And they said, no, we're happy with with Anthony grant we've been to win NCW tournament. Another NRT bid though, and it fell apart the final year he was fired on the two days after the season ended. And and now you compare Bruce to to every Johnson, it's really not a comparison. It's it's it's a slam dunk. In terms of what's happened on the court. Alabama needs to do. I'm listening that guy out there, which ITAR state. They wanted him early to Marcia with Gregg Marshall was the first choice if I remember. Heat on their play and go over there. And how his entire staff that just seem to host. They have clear outed Alabama 'cause we're not getting out play in the bed. Well, listen, I don't know if you happen to see the interview we did with Avery last wins. The I felt like he when I when I challenged him very. Very politely on on on where this program was his commitment. And where it was going. I thought he gave us a lot of gobbly Gook. He kept telling us that season wasn't over. Well, it is over. And by the way, I I'm. I'm all for the players playing. They can win the NIT, congratulations. But that's not going to change. It's not gonna change anything in nationally outside of a couple of basketball aficionados who will make a lot out of it. But the NIT is what happens is a good thing to go to look at Mississippi State last year when you're building a program, but in your at the end of your fourth year, that's not where you want to be spending March. No. There was a time. When Alabama we we we sit back and say it how can we get past the Sweet Sixteen. Tony, I covered Alabama a lot for my inland. My newspaper days. I remember trying to remember where I was. But I think it was three consecutive Sweet Sixteen losses for wimp Sanderson in the eighties. And I wrote a column criticizing his coaching into game saying when is Alabama ever going to get past the Sweet Sixteen. I mean. Shows you how things have changed I realized that was twenty five years ago. But now Alabama fans are doing how do we get in the tournament? Yes. It's a change. I think, you know, listen, I'm a host here. I'm not a I'm not a basketball expert, but but a lot of Alabama fans wouldn't be disappointed to see a change. I don't know what. Greg. Byrne is going to do the bet. I bet he doesn't make a change because he's got a financial problem. He's got a coach who outside of that brief issue with Colin Sexton has mostly kept this program at of the news from a negative standpoint. Every as a charming guy, but he's yet to prove that he is a a winning basketball coach ala Bama in terms of what the standards should be. He's moderately successful. But I'll Abacha's not about being moderately successful. Alabama's about winning championships. Getting to play championships not, you know, playing Norfolk state. In the NFL t. Let's continue with more calls. Jordan is next in Knoxville Jordan age doing great. Thank you, man. This weekend was a you know, I'm gonna see pan this weekend was pretty good weekend. You know, then turn out. Good sunday. We met you when you name a little brother came up to you. Oh, great. Oh, appreciate. Remember, anyway, I'm just wondering like see where like Kentucky's getting light so much favor over UT. I'm just wondering why is that like I mean? Well, by the way, in the guy, we just talked to it's not about it's not about what people think these are metrics, they're using. You know, there's a Ken palm. There's the BPI there. You know, there's there's a million reasons why the metric saver Kentucky. I personally think people are looking past. I think everyone's favorite Kentucky as well. Because they think they think that Kentucky's going to beat North Carolina and Tennessee is not going to beat Virginia. But again, I I think you're talking about. I mean Virginia to me looks like a better team, which may be one reason why number saying that. But but but I think Tennessee's got an excellent chance to make it to the final four. I mean, I do think the a good team. But I mean, let's I mean from the from analytical standpoint, they're the best team in the country. Yeah. You call more, obviously score more points. But I think we going like, maybe get ahead, and it'd be tough Jim become back because you know, they saw the ball down stuff like that. Listen, anyway, you can do is at this point all the talking is somewhat relevant. Great to have you on. Thank you, very very much. Tommy is in Arizona next up as we continue here. Paul. I had their Tommy, hey, I time caller watch your show. Thank you. See? My thing is with his PJ Washington. I know you can't tell me for sure. I played football. It any you. When Ben Howland, Jamie Dixon, where they're, you know, with the basketball, and we always had to, you know, give the I don't know what you want status, you know, at least four or five as you know, going forward. So do you think it's a big concern, or what was your view? That's all I wanna know. Well, yeah, I think it could be I just don't know. I don't listen. I I don't know. I don't know what the status is. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 'cause I'm a huge Kentucky and living in I. I mean, college call Tucker tweeted out today that he has been in a boot and Sunday for precautionary reasons. Now, we'll talk we'll talk to a guest if you minutes. Okay. But not nothing. I'm doctor, right? Yeah. Tweet. I was like, whoa. I'll tell you one thing you do not want to be in a boot. If you play basketball or damn, right? Well, thank you. I Paul for data. Call record your shows. And when I saw the Kentucky family marrying their cousins van I record that and laugh my ass off. Thank you very much. Well, we'll give you an update on PJ PJ and few minutes.

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"The pride passion than pageantry of college. Football leaves here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast. Yeah. By now, you can tell is larger Georgia week yesterday. The big Lindsay Scott today. The Georgia win a lot more cumbersome about that. Today. The show begins now. We welcome all of you to the program. So glad you're here on a Wednesday as we get ready for. Pretty big weekend of college football. Well, welcome to the program. A lot to do. Your phone calls, of course, at eight five five to four to seven to eight five number of guests as well as we'll dig deep into the Georgia, Florida, Florida, Georgia. I don't mean to get the names out of order. Speaking of let's get right to it. One staff. They will decide the Florida Georgia game. What is it? It's the Russian game not the Russian game the rushing game. Who does it better? They both are pretty well, Georgia probably needs to do it better. If they're going to repeat. As SEC chimps team with the most rushing yards has won the last twelve times in the series. That means anything to you should meet something because that's often where these games are decided. So a lot more on that game. Meanwhile, there's yeah. Nick Sabin caused LSU legitimate. What what's he supposed to say? Yeah, they're illegitimate. They're no good. We're we're bringing our officials to the game. Anyway, Nick Sabin. If you're asking me, if I think LSU is legitimate. I think they're absolutely legitimate. I think they have a really really good team. I think they played a difficult schedule and on a really good job of beating some really good teams. I think they're playing well on both sides of the ball. I think they're very well coached on a gets done a really really good job with the program. So. I mean, I think they're very very legitimate contender for you know, our league, and it's going to be a big game for both teams. Okay. Now, we got that. Settled. I what are these days? I want to say, we don't respect them terrible. So and so's the coach and got no offense they played. But that's not really the truth here. The truth is LSU is one of the top teams in the country. Most people leave their top four team so more on that game. But it's not until next week. But I you know, what I'm about say your phone calls a five to four two seven two eight five always interesting when you look down, you don't know who you're gonna find. But I am taking us I relief because who I don't see Dave is in West Virginia. Dave, welcome to our show. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Paul a question and a couple of well really couple questions. You made a comment a couple days ago to all this zany and craziness about the targeting or non targeting. The Alabama player the LSU player, but you know, the most important thing in athletics is integrity and a level playing field. And you made the comment that I wasn't aware that the director of -ficiating for the southeastern conference is a graduate of the premier school in in good ball. Talk about that after you'd said that in I just wondered. How would people feel if a university of Kentucky graduate was the director of hitting for for basketball? Mccown. It just didn't. Let me let me talk about this for second Dave in and I'm coming from a different perspective because I'm not a partisan here. But people that are in positions of thirty. I have found again ever you find public officials cheating and bilking and trying to put one over on the public all the time. But for the most part, I have found people. Are honest. They have integrity, and if they appear to have a conflict, I've always found people to bend over backwards, and I will say this, and you can laugh, but I know Steve Shaw he used to be a neighbor of mine. So I guess quite well when I lived in Alabama and Steve Shaw cares about his position, he can tear. He cares about the integrity of the southeastern conference. He is no longer concerned about where he went to school in trying to prop up that school because he knows that people are looking at him in measuring him in when he was in the fischel. He never did Alabama game because that's prohibited. Prohibited. So now, I I don't think by the way much your he had anything to do with this call this call was made on the field. It was supported now. He's he's in he's in he's in the control center, but he just got through talking to us. We could go on the show about how they have. A collaborative effort, and they don't wanna. Wall. That's another thing. Okay. Isn't impressed with with the way. He presented anything. I didn't think he answered anything. Okay. Wh-? Whether he did or didn't. I don't. I mean, people always say, well, you went to Tennessee that I I'm very proud of where I went to school, but it doesn't affect me one bit when I'm offering an opinion on on my alma mater. In fact, I was blasted by the administration at the university of Tennessee for suggesting last year after the Georgia game that the schools should fire Butch Jones. I felt like that was the right thing. I went on to say it was the worst coaching search in history did that I didn't care. I mean doesn't matter to me people always say you lived in Alabama your Alabama guy. Well, I did live there for thirty years. But I I will be as critical of any school, and I'm talking about myself, but I try to look at people through my own eyes because they're the only ones. I have even though they're not great. And I I just believe that if you're the Commissioner if you are the director of -ficiating, you you care more about what your peers think than where you may have gone to school thirty years ago. But paulie? That that's well and good, but it still comes down to perception of all the other schools and another thing the day have you ever heard? I mean, let's take Joe alita out of this because he is found his founded in his ability to criticize the SEC office perhaps more than anyone else. But I I've never heard a single coach call out Mr. Shaw saying he he he favors one school over the other by his disposition of officiating and back to Commissioner Sankey. I can tell you because I know Nick Sabin and Greg Sankey have crossed swords a couple of times lately on some very high profile cases. I don't think the Commissioner of the SEC is kowtowing to Alabama anymore than another school. I just don't see it the same way that fans do. And maybe I'm jaded. Maybe I'm too far gone in this in this in the swamp. So to speak. To fall, and it's not it's just a general view. And then I go and read the replay fish, okay, LSU game the other night. And this is not just an LSU the replay official. A lot of his early officiating in Birmingham. Ford believes that does name and you just comforts. Let me say this. I believe in southeastern but a convert should never allow things like that to happen. Even be questioned to bring them up as being questioned. Well, listen, I know how forward, and I know that there. I think he's he may be from the state. But I really I may give you the same answer. You just got. But I don't know what you do in your profession day. But whatever you do you sound like an honest person. I bet you try to look at things fairly and objectively not based on where you may or may not have gone to school. Well, yeah. But again, you know, most people what comes to sports or irrational like the lady said yesterday. Sure, and you got to avoid any Kate that just like in high school. I know there are people listening this that dog to high school games and seeing Hoover's appreciating we're not gonna win this game. And you have to remove all obstacles to the perception that Naga. But Beckham back to Allah Ford. Yeah. I think he's from Alabama. But he didn't go Dow Abacha because I know he's he's a fishy that game the iron bowl many many times. So just because you live in a stage. Just because you're from an area doesn't necessarily mean you're going to favor that school in all in. I I'm probably gonna make the case even worse because every time I defend officials. I get criticized by someone, but I know I know these officials and they care about what their peers think of them. There officials are judged at the end of the year they're judged after every game. And if if the SEC believe or any conference, the big ten Commissioner, Delaney, he wouldn't he wouldn't put up with the he wouldn't put up with it either. He went to North Carolina, but still. They're gonna throw you out on your on your rear end. If even looks like your favorite your team your and you'll never work again. These guys first of all these officials don't this is not a fulltime job. They do it because they're good at it. And and and they enjoy it. But but all of them for most of them have regular jobs, and they don't want. They don't want. They don't want to be tainted by being favoring one school or the other. I don't think they do. They they watch each play individually. Do you think when you're? I've never officiated college football game. I have officiated lower levels of of athletics. And it's very difficult even at that level. I mean the game moves to fast for an official in a game. Like the one the other night to be thinking man if I do this. It's going to affect another game. That's not how that's how they're made. Anyway, I could defending the officials because I'm probably hurting their caused as opposed to helping you listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. What's stop with the conspiracy theories in go to I'm good at all good afternoon. That was a great call that last call because see I things spectrum with what you just said both of you. There are some things that are questionable, and it's easy for us to panic is fans and say things, but at the end of the conversation, I agree with you totally that that these guys. Really pay attention to who they are. But the officials and the concern care they have to get. Hey, I'm question, your your professional. You you go into people's homes and in and do work. Does does I know the answer, but we go into an Alabama fan zone. Does that matter to you? You're still going to fix their their system as well as you can in your professional. You know? When when I walk in. I have declared. I had declared that I'm going to do this job. And I'm going to do it. Like, you're supposed to be won't be fair reasonable, honest. And if there's any come to me because that's what I think that you're supposed to represent when you set yourself apart like that. And you you have to have that or you won't last long. And this is what I think I see as a as a fan of college football with LSU conversation. This is Sandra seeing something right now that we have seen and did not expect see we've got an offense over here. Alabama clicking on every cylinder possible. And we're watching some pretty cool things happened there. And and I believe this the LSU is number one team in the country for none with what we have seen with our. If we are fans, and I think everybody would agree that LSU has accomplished more this season than anybody, especially when you throw in the preseason. And I would love to see these two these two teams line up in the first quarter at complete fool streets. And and if something happens during the game, you're kicked out injured, whatever the case may be we all see that understand that in accept that. But it's Santa we want to see these two with no excuses. Everybody said equal games. They're both good football teams. If we want to see them at their finest. And. That's what I think we're missing. But you, but I also understand this the targeting call you could it meets the bare minimum of targeting, but I've heard people say will look at him standing over the kid, but that's a whole different flag that's called Tony. And you don't kick a kid out of the game that and I only point of that. I think in as you watch it frame after frame it just may. And here we go to subjectivity whether it affected the official or not I don't know love to sit down talk that official. I think it'd be pretty entertaining. Fred is next. Call man. Got a great show going ready from West Virginia and both with some spot on comments. And I wanted to call to get the record straight possibly on our call yesterday, Paul admire mistake, you I don't know if I could call you a friend because we don't see that off about this. Call your pale. I think this would you say that that's about that's pretty accurate. Yes. I want to make clear in and you said it today and actually yesterday, but I think it may have gotten overshadowed by some of the passion in the call. So let let me see how fun. Do not believe that there is something spiracy said has guest del issues in the office. Space for south. I do believe that feeling that people had that part of the the meal you that have contributed to settle what we've seen on phone calls on Twitter to billboards and things like that. And that's coming from the motion for what people believe what they in two of belief that they know as relates to what they've seen over the years that doesn't make factual, and it doesn't even make it relevant to the call from Saturday night game. And one of the examples that us as part of a near you with the Pethick Peterson coughing, and is unrelated that hall to what happened Saturday night when we agreed under you agree on that. But there is a distinction that I wanna draw and if that good sans who have things that they've been faking for a long time and when the opportunity presented sales, it's it's being expressed. But I will say this too. And I think there's a positive and they only positive put out there is that. For whatever reason my home, and I leave your Muhammad Ali. And he was one of the greatest epi t would pay any slight real perceived, and he would turn it into an accident into pay for that next of Ponant that next fight. And no matter what it was the guy that has pledged his clothes what? Right. And he's got it on billboards of Ani's training facility. He says I wear flashy. Clothes I'm gonna show him out. And I think that this is that thing that LSU fans have done is taken this and turn what they see. The proceeds light into something to fuel impolitic passion for the game that I like you thoughts on that. Because that's the way I. Well, listen, I understand the passions. And I understand people believing. What they wanna believe the only thing. I don't like is is misinformation, and Fred it's easy to take a part of the story and turned it into reality in. And that's just something that offends me personally when when people will take a half truth. And even even when I agree. I I remember I was at the game in nine when when Patrick Peterson. I think he was called that abound. I thought was a terrible call by the way against LSU. But that has nothing to do with the call Saturday night. Would what's happened in the past? Does not matter. These games are called individually and every game is is is a reboot. And I know you'll agree with me on that one hundred thousand mini percent on that. And I bet you know, you you do critic. Good job of no, not even gonna lie. You don't really how'd you left Alabama? But you you do you do at least listen to both sides of every call and you give the fifth hearing and one thing that that you said as far as that point as far as all of these pay caused relevant to the next day because he's games individual when you're fan of a team here. Let's look at the root word of San your fanatic today team. You win close that you would never wear is. That teams comes teams coming. And when you have a certain belief seem days, Fred one of the things I didn't like the call in the game. I wouldn't have called it that way. But but my job is trying to present. The facts in a fair in equal manner. And whether I agree or disagree with the call you I'm mainly defending the Commissioner and the league on the fact that they have nothing left to do. And that was my my concern about James Carville the other day, listen, I I know James Carville is I know him he's a great. He's great. He's he's a great political consultant. He's a great entertainer. He spun yarn the other day, but when he. Someone who worked at the highest level of government when he made the allegation that the Saudi government, which we know is propagating lies and deceit in very well murdered a man when he compared that government to the SEC office. I mean, I I didn't know where to go there. It was an outrageous specious lie, and it was it was filled with misinformation for one purpose to incite an angry group of people that just happen to live in the same place. He is right now. That was wall that you use the phrase that people don't use a lot any more. He jumped his shock reference to the old finds the episode. We on the motorcycle jump in the shop. But you hit it right on the head. I don't know. Why james? I I when I read the article, I said, he's okay. This is this is just this is just a play by Jane knows he's going to get a lot of readership and halfway tongue in cheek. But when he went on and said what he said whether he's tongue. She's not that's not a game. And with no, listen, I knew I I knew I knew I was getting bed with sharp the other day that but that was part of the fun of it. I I wanted the I don't know James very well. But I I I've talked to him before. And I wanted him on the show because it was going to be pure entertainment. But for someone is smart as he is to take it to that level. That's. Junior. I think I think James Carville owes the SEC in the SEC Commissioner in apology. I mean, he should if he was worth half his reputation. He would come out and say, listen, I didn't mean that I didn't mean to suggest criminal intent, but felonious, but he hasn't done that because he's having too much fun. This is this is a game. James Carville, it serious to the rest of us. Addictive, forty state because what it does pay speech at a real have blue Jim off Saudi. Yeah. And it trivializes it for the purpose of winning the hour of the day in terms of a TV show or an article was role and it reminded me of William Buckley's juniors quote, one of his famous close. He's a great because Greg rider, I pay now and I'm paraphrasing poll, but he says several on the lives of I'm I believe that you are to. I'm not going to believe that you really Mick what you just said. And I cannot believe that he meant what he said. But he said it it was stupid. It was wrong. He's a fellow LSU guy. But that's one of the things. I try to bring the show is a sip of reality and assist. The fairness fair play than success. Oh, Justice in the comments, and that was wall. Whether he with Alabama a wedding went to zen on university agency. It was wrong up and down the road. He just had to go to L. Hugh and brother James, if you have listen to me, you will all you need to get gossip you need to repent from that release of his guy because it was wrong was up there, and you shouldn't have blood that out here, and it was poorly on the rest of us who LSU Tigers. That's all I love you. When that so thank you. Listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Might Bianchi is the radius. Brought to you by Holiday Inn express. My thanks for the time. As always we want to you minute ago, and you disappeared. You know, it's always a pleasure to be on with the second. Most attractive bald men in the southeastern United States soy at sorry. My phone didn't ring. That's okay. Let's talk for a second about Georgia Georgia going up against Florida this week you've lived in that state for many many years. Help us understand this game. And why this game in particular seem so important important is because as meaningful again, I'm at the rivalries been dormant for a few years. Obviously, you know, even though Florida went to the SEC championship game a couple years under Jim mcelwain. It really was Georgia was a little bit down then. And now both teams are ranked very highly for the first time in years and years, and this is, you know, for a lot of old time Florida fans guys like Steve Spurrier who enlivened is rivalry when he came to Florida in in the nineties. This is the biggest rival it's not Florida state. It's Georgia, and I was talking to share. Matthews. The old gator quarterback under Spurrier and for guys like him Spurrier indoctrinated into them that this is the game. The Gators need to win. And that's how it is again right now under Dan Mullen, in in terms of the progression of Dan Mohan, you have to wait a little bit till Saturday afternoon, but your your thought so far and in do you think he's brought this program back? I mean, I know he's back. How far do you think I is come from where it was a year ago? Well, just think about a year ago year ago, Jim mcelwain was making death threats on the week of the Florida Georgia gain gave Florida AD Scott stricklin, they built in excuse to fire him after Georgia blue amount. I think he was gonna fire. I think he was gonna fire mcelwain no matter what. Because the program was was delapidated strength and conditioning was terrible. On the attitude of the players was terrible to discipline. This terrible. And Dan Mullen has has come in. And it's been like a breath of fresh air. Obviously he needs to be he's going to have to recruit if he's going to compete against guys like Kirby smart in Nick Sabin. But right now, he's done all the right things talking to my Bianchi, Mike, certainly it's well known that you have been the head cheerleader for use UCF. You got a lot of support over the years. National media still not buying in still wondering about the scheduling for UCF first of all what is tell us about the schedule issues. And and I know what I don't know what they have in the future. And I know they played some really good teams in the past. But what is the issue there because Pittsburgh and North Carolina or Carolina game getting cancelled are not going to get done for UCF. No. But. But I mean, you guys know how schedules or may schedules are made two or three four years in advance not two or three months in advance. When you see a scheduled North Carolina North Carolina was coming up an eleven win season. They been to the the ACC chain be game. We're Clemson barely beat him. They'd wanna let again, they went eleven wins that year, and you know, that's when they scheduled North Carolina. Again, it's not UCS North Carolina's stakes now that the bottom is phone out of their program. And by the way, the game was cancelled anyway because of hurricane foreign so that that's just not, you know, that's that's not UCS. But you know, it is what it is and UCS strength of schedule this year. I'll admit it. It's not been very good. It was better last year. Memphis was a better team last year. I think USF was the better team last year. You know, so yeah, you see you see strength of schedule is having said all that give give give. Give us one reason why they deserve to be considered a serious playoff team. I think the seasons still needs to play out, and we still need to see what happens if you see runs the table again in his one twenty four straight games. I mean that doesn't happen much in college football a perfect season last year and followed up by perfect season. And and I realize that people say well last year doesn't matter what will it matters to the power five programs. It matters. What you have coming back and UCF has, you know, a star quarterback coming back if they run the table again, then it would be hard for me to look a program in the face and say, listen, you've won you've you finish unbeaten back to back. Know that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Here. Do you? Do you really believe that UCF could withstand the rigors of the road in the SEC to places like Baton Rouge or gains Ville or Alabama or Auburn or Texas M Georgia. Do I think that they could finish unbeaten bad about what we're talking about? Here. We're not talking about beating a bunch of. I mean, listen to good league. I'm not about the dispiritedly. But compared to the SEC it doesn't compare. If you put UCF end ESE and give them all of that SEC money, the fifty million dollars a year in media money. You give them all the exposure. Really what we're talking about here. I don't think anyone necessarily wants to UCF in the SEC. I I thought they were going to get in the big twelve what happened there yet? But paul. SEC teams have built in advantages that UCF don't have they they have all this money. They have all of them are praying advantages. UCF doesn't have that. You see can't help the league that they're in the issue Paul is there's no path for UCF to get into the college football playoff because of the league there in and because of the power five bias, that's the issue use UCF to play Oklahoma this year, and because of the league they're and they're still not getting in to the college football playoff. They're just not ball. No. That I know that it's it's a it's a power five invitational. The four the fourteen playoff is a power five invitational. Mike to run out of time. But get some by some Kleenex, you're going to need them. A couple of weeks to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. As envoy Gavin loved playing football. He lived in briefed wanted to go when he'd spent hours upon hours just his touchdown dances at one day. Well, getting for bifocals he realized he was never much good at throwing or running or country nor even kicking. Yeah. Gavin's chances of playing football. We're looking like fourth and long very long, but he did hear how could save money on car insurance. So he switched and save. Then he did kind of a touchdown. At least he was still good at that lot of conversation going, and we'll continue that conversation. Drums next. How are you? Doing great jerem. I know you talk about how Todd tie. Being polite. You know, I really don't care. You know, we do what we do. People. My bed. What pal as they say. But I'm James AD as you people fan bomb. They allow stay damn my Ryan hitting. Tarazona trees. Be more to have nothing. Has been at twenty. Tree time rivers three. Well. Much. And. They cry. I have oh. It me on the field. And a new bam to how do they know about a time to come a gang? Stick fucking giving. Anytime I see. You mean, you hit me we just kind of? This year Powell? About a man speak coming to. Plea. Peaking. Peaking. And we don't continue what been at me. Stop. Galyon November turn out to have a good day to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. David pollack. Always great to catch up with him. David good afternoon. Thanks so much for being with us. You, you know, you always see headlines on Twitter, and you go, what's what's the guy really talking about? And I think you may know where I'm going. There was a pickup of something. You said yesterday that Clemson has a better chance of getting to the playoff then Alabama. And before anyone reacts to that. I'd like you to at least explain. No, it's not like be taken us that context ever that before. Yeah. We had to pick between the two of those that we felt like the best chance, and listen, I said with hurts hito being now having surgery in to having a knee like you legitimately have a problem where you say, maybe they're ding. Maybe they're even that brings them down to the level. And you gotta look at Clinton's rest of the schedule in Alabama's rest of the schedule. Alabama's obviously is a lot harder. They gotta play in LSU, obviously is a tough place play the SEC east champion, which is going to be pretty good this year again. So, you know, their road to the to being defeated to me as a as a heck of a lot harder than Clinton Becca, Alabama, though, you raise some really salient points quarterback play has been brilliant. But there are some reasons to be uneasy, especially with hurt. So what you've seen so far versus what you think? We'll see a specially Intel issue. How does it change moving forward? Well, here's the thing. When you have an offense. Now, this is this isn't the old school offense which uses saying this is an RPO offense. This is the maximizing what the you know, two can do. He's obviously sensational, and I think too is the best pocket passer in college football. He can sit in the pocket and pick your part. The reason to is the best player in college football indefinitely. The best quarterback is because to also takes off scripted place when everything's covered. And now he scrambles and to his right and then comes back to his left and throws in the end zone. Judy knew like how the heck did he just do that? If you start taking those plays out of the mix, obviously, that's a huge deal for for alabam. That'd be a huge deal for anybody in the country. So I I'm more concerned with two is injury than Jaylen Jalen heads. Surger Dalen is a backup quarterback that is going to get some time. But but not much Jalen, I I don't think Jalen is. You know, he's not replaceable. He's not irreplaceable skews me, obviously to you can't replace that guy with anybody in college football. So definitely have at least guy Paul got something to talk about. With Alabama shoot. They're just curb stomp and everybody that they play. So this is actually something worth debating that might actually make them look somewhat human know, a great point. Let's talk about a game that I don't think we'll see a curb stopping we have in the past. But that's the Florida Georgia game. We've talked to various people about the importance of this game. And I know to you in any person who played in it like you did it's extremely special. What makes it so different? Well, we went to the state fair a couple of weeks ago for game day. This is so unique to go into a stadium. So strange to see half one team half the other. And as a player, it was strange because you're there in Florida at this site in half, red and black half, orange and blue. And you know, the offense is on the field for both sides and they're cheering for both sides. It's just it's it's so strange. But I mean, I tell you this when I grew up when I was getting crude I was gonna crude by Steve spur to go to the university of Florida and Steve Spurrier hated Georgia. And he made it known. He took jabs in shots and ran the score up every chance. He had an opportunity to do it in the South Carolina trying to do the same thing. So this rivalry is definitely always meant something to both fan bases to players. I can just tell you when I played at the university of Georgia. This was number one. Not number two. Not number three not kinda debatable between someone's this was the game every year all the fans point to point to that. I gotta get this win because it means a little bit more. Yeah. We apparently had some video of your greatest hits highlight film from back then and you could pick out any game for David Pollack. But I think we're showing where are where are you on the field? You're you're just pushing the guy around. I got a good one then because Florida had some good offense Alon. So we night Paul Paul. Does it have the worst play in college football history the worst officiated place? So Rex Grossman drops back the past Paul. They thrown like ten screen passes on this on this drive there on the five yard line going in. And I'm news another screen. I could feel it. I literally back up from defensive. I'd jump up. I catch it one handed left handed snag the ball pulled into my body. Make mention of this please defensive lineman made three guys miss three. Not one not two three. Guys. Miss doesn't have very often. Literally ran at oxygen Pov about the die on the field. I was so Dag I'm tired. I turned hand the ball off the Sean Jones at the fifty yard line. He runs it for a touchdown. All the way back the rest caught a forward lateral. Oh, the worst call in NCWA history that I've ever seen in a million years. No doubt about it. Couldn't stand that. It was a. Call. But no it's that replay back then. So it really didn't matter couldn't overturn it. We lost the game thirteen to six the only loss of the season for us was that game. Otherwise, we could've played for a national title. But I'm not bitter, Paul. I'm not the least bit better I detected though, speaking of that LSU fans make claim that the the call on Devon white. The other day was of equal. Let me get your thoughts on that as defensive player. What did you see when the refs targeted him horrible? I it's it's a bad call. I wish we had some kind of protocol that we can put in place to take some takes take us a step back in where you can say literally look at that playing is that really suspension worthy. I mean, we gotta find the difference between targeting with player safety and intent to hurt somebody. And some of that literally has contacted the face or to the face of the upper head with with hands. I thought the hands hit. I I didn't think it was violent at all. I'm not alone. I think everybody thought that was a horrible call. And now you just took took away LSU. Best chance to stop, you know, Alabama. So now could be twenty one enough at the half before Devon white eating. It's the end of the game next week, and that's just a huge blow. So if you're if you're game planning on the other side, I think you've you've alluded to your answer already. Do you do you? Are you more aggressive in the first half knowing he's not out there? I think that's pretty easy to answer. Well, here's the thing with Alabama. When you watch Alabama's opponents. They're scared to death of them. And they're scared to death of the speed on the outside because there is so many guys that can beat you. Here's the thing. LSU won't be scared, greedy. Williams will be up in press. Coverage. He will be up on press coverage on Judy in those easy throws those slants that are going eighty right now those are going to have to be over the top throws down the field. What's to can make? So I think LSU game plan is already to be exceptionally aggressive. This sounds really crazy. But we're at the point now talking about Alabama where I'm content with them running the football. If I'm doing RPO's on stay in back. They're gonna run our feels like they can. When you do I'm gonna play back. I'm gonna make them hand the ball. I know that sounds crazy because they've been a team that have handed off for years and years and years and really didn't wanna throw this Alabama from yesteryear. This is Alabama with two and it's a different animal, and you've got to kind of pick your poison talking to David Pollack in before you go with me talk about the national playoffs. We started talking about that with Clemson. And obviously this weekend with Florida Georgia will help frame that conversation as you as you look at this game. Where do you see the edge? You know, it's interesting. I think that Florida is finding themselves offensively. I don't fear them necessarily like fear a lot of teams in college football. But I'll say this. I don't feel Georgia's offense either Georgia Georgia's offense, I feel like they kind of got away from what they do best. It's it's easy Paul when you look at why you see Meco Harmon, and you got Mr. Ridley. And I mean, you got so many weapons God went outside that that are that are playmakers. This team was really really great a year ago because they pounded you right in the face over and over and over and war you down. I'm interested to see the offense of density. I think froms coming off of his worst game. I think Justin fields will be more in the mixed this week. I've been saying that all week, and I'll continue to say, I think this is the a big opportunity for him to get his feet wet in for Georgia fans and for the country to really see if he's big time as we thought he was because I think you'll get some run. But you know, defensively I think I think Florida's defense at the linebacker spot. The defensive line is better. I think overall probably. Offensively they're better. But I think Georgia's offense is a little bit better if they can stick to the ground games that ground pound got them last year to the college football playoff in Georgia can win this ball. Get david. Thanks so much for coming by great stuff. Really enjoyed it percent going, but you got to take it. Joining us. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Baller joins us as he does every week to talk about the stat says Steph extra so much. Let's let's talk a little bit about I the importance of one gain that we've been talking about a big lot here. Just talked to David about it. And that's the Florida Georgia game. What what's the consequence of other than the SEC? What is this game mean to the college football playoff clearly the most important game for the playoff this week? And we actually have is the second most important game remaining for the rest of the regular season. Here. If Georgia wins this game he can put itself back kind of in the same ballpark as Michigan. We have Michigan right now in as a forty percent chance to make the playoff or so, you know, it's a tricky game for Georgia FBI still really likes the BULLDOGS hasn't as third best team in the country. And that's why it's a little more optimistic about them for Florida if they can get the win it would put them into contention stools. Along shot kind of the way we treat LSU right now. Just because any path of the playoff likely involves a win over Alabama. So that's the tricky part, but you are a lot absolutely alive. The Florida would be if they can get a win over the BULLDOGS in Jacksonville, she has let's get to the bigger picture. And that's what we'll be talking about next week after the playoff reveal comes out. So wow, state loses muddying the waters somewhat what that loss mean to everyone else and really murky waters because all of a sudden now you have a slew of teams kind of in that twenty to forty percent range in a news. Michigan just mentioned probably into the most likely it'd being the fourth most likely team to make the playoffs. We now have Clemson Alabama Notre Dame, Michigan the foremost likely teams to make the playoff, and it's also the most likely combination fifteen percent chance. Those are the exact four teams in any order. But really allow. Can happen. I think the interesting thing I'm going to be looking for next week is is how the committee handles ranking those one loss teams because you could go a lot of different ways there. And I think it's very close between some of those teams talking to south and Seth certainly one of the narratives before the season because of the way last season ended was SEC getting to schools after Georgia loss, we started saying, well, maybe not because they had lost a shoe loss. Lard had lost. What? Now, it seems. Like, maybe oh house. They getting beaten has improved the SEC's chances. Absolutely. No question about it. The SEC now is back over one in three chance to put two teams in the playoff. Ohio State losing was a big part of that. I think the thing that as he has as he has going for is that there's multiple ways you can make this happen. Probably their best chance would be. If Alabama is undefeated entering the SEC championship game and loses to a one loss, Georgia. We. Put that in a round of three and four shot that both those teams would get in. If that's the situation. But there are other ways it could happen. You could replace Florida with you can play Georgia with Florida in that situation. You can also look at what if LSU beats Alabama and the crimson tide end up eleven in one. And then it's either Georgia Alabama or LSU in Alabama. Both getting in those are a little bit less likely you need other things to happen. But those all our different ways that it could happen. I'll say this though, the one thing the SEC definitely needs each and every week is to root against Notre Dame. Everytime. Notre Dame wins makes it less and less likely the SEC can put two teams in way that would not be difficult for us. He says, I wouldn't think so you mentioned Alabama in LSU that would be next week story, but he is kind of hard to to miss the opportunity to talk a little bit about that after which you just got through saying give us an REO that game. And in the obvious impact. It has on the. Playoff. Here's the thing that I think is just really speaks volumes about Alabama the situation. It's in if we say today that Alabama is going to lose LSU crimson tide would have a sixty percent chance to make the playoffs. Still. It's just a matter of being foreign away the best team. And so you come away, you know, thinking about the committee's charter, even though they don't always following looking for the four best teams, Alabama. Basically always has that going for them. There's not really a loss. You can imagine where people would think well, this isn't the best team in the country. And so our bam has got a great chance to get in. Even if it's a in one if it's twelve and one no matter how you shake it out. I'll Abacha's in a really good spot. I'm sure the rest of the country just said, no, this cannot be true. Even without an SEC title again that would be the third time. Assuming all this happens that Allah Bama will have played for title without an SEC championship under its belt. I I know it sounds crazy. But just think about what they've done this season. What they've shown the way that they not only one games blown teams out. You know, we're waiting onto it of have to play a full game. And but since you know, what people are saying they haven't beaten anyone really good. Yes. That's it's true that their strength of schedule is something that's going to be a topic of conversation. If they don't go undefeated. But I don't think that we're talking about. So it's just the way that they have beaten teams is going to be the thing that is going to help them. It's true. I I understand that. But it's not like the other the middling teams in the SEC are Pac twelve teams. And also that the quality of the team the quality of the. The actual team. We would say FBI when most people would say I test that's unquestionable for Alabama that they are the best team in the country. Does Notre Dame have a path was a loss. I think. Yeah. I think they do I think they do. But it's not it's not a guarantee they can get in eleven one. Because I think I think that the committee will say that a team that didn't win. It's conference is going to be a little bit worse than a team like Notre Dame who doesn't have the opportunity to win a conference. It's not a lock you. You have to avoid situations where there's four one loss power five champions. If you're Notre Dame in that situation. But I do think that there's a pretty good shot that they would get in over. Let's say, you know, a two loss Oklahoma Texas team. I think a one loss Notre Dame team would have the edge on them. So let's say we get into a lot of one losses. Big twelve versus big ten. How do you? How do you measure that? I think if it's the big ten they probably have the edge here. We. Give them a better chance to put a team in the playoff. And I think especially if you're looking at Michigan the thing with Michigan is that they just had such a tough schedule that they would be able to point to that and say, hey, only one loss with that schedule. You've got to put us in. And I think that the committee would really consider Michigan schedule have doing that. I do think that Oklahoma just because of the I probably being a little bit better than the other big twelve teams. If you're in the big twelve you're probably best bet is to have Oklahoma be the champion. But I do think the big ten is probably a little bit ahead in the pecking order right now is pretty much every week, but we just had might Bianchi on who lives in Orlando who carries the baton and the and the and the the banner for UCF, they don't have any chance to they do not Paul. I mean plan for doctors opinion on this has not changed. I really don't think it's going to change UCF thinks it's extraordinarily unlikely that they can in the playoff. Here's the key thing about. UCF? They didn't get in last year. They were undefeated, and they have an easier schedule this year. I mean, if you if it wasn't going to happen, then how can you do it? Now when they actually would have had an easier road to to a twelve no record kin favorite. Can you can you figure out a way to program the computer to tell you CF fans to shut up? That's a tricky one. I hear from them all the time. Good luck to you. Thanks. Thanks traits. Listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Let's go next to Lance to talk about the the biggest game in the country this weekend. The Georgia Florida game. How's it going to work out with a SEC nation color game day been together? The crowd alert. Have no idea. Don't just wanted y'all been to the same location as before never maybe. Oh. Big game. But tell me you got off here. I mean that guy that was running this mouse about Marchesi AVI talking about they were solved talking about Michael lane and Taliban. Now, I do think you're right about that, Lance. You're a hundred percent correct talking about I mean wanna lose him. If he's talking about UCS has been boiled down. Tell me about this time. Let me ask you if you're a big fisa coordinator, Paul who's horror disdain for Georgia or Florida, Florida. Yeah. I mean, so so if you look at position groups, I mean, don't don't you feel better about Florida's defense in Georgia going into this care. Well, I think they've performed a higher level this year. Just one you'd have to say give them a little air. I mean, you don't you don't you don't see if you wanna talk about this game. I'm not saying. I want to go on crazy ass. Right. No. I just wanna what do you need? Lance. I just been I've been hearing you talk about Florida since the end of last season. So I when you call I sit back I grabbed my yellow pad put my professor glasses on. And I listen. Because I'm not as smart as you. Jones. You are. You are. I'm not as. As you are. So go ahead and told you joke about it. You can laugh about it. Got a better pulse on the last. You. You sweep me on the wrong. Hey, let me tell you about that down carbon smart. You could tell me this year smart is out coast. Dan Mullen on the coverage. Talent kidding Lynch. You know, what it doesn't really matter? Whether he has he hasn't there facing each other this weekend. I would say one thing I will tell you what I want to tell you one thing though, Lance Georgia's law. Hey, Lance, Lance, Georgia's losses, a whole lot more impressive than Florida's loss. Lewis. Literacy losing LSU at tiger stadium. Are you kidding me? No. I'm not kidding. You. Supposed to be on a hot seat. And you gotta be one. Joe Montana kidding. We went in. To say team played. The three day in the border game. Let me. He went to. I'm self and you, hey, hold on a second land land land lands land slow down. I wanna bring our guys in from the other room because I'm tired of talking to you myself. Do you wanna talk about the credit rounded here something? Grand grand talking to rain the pike down. Hi, lance. So Joe boroughs, according to you was able to be Georgia. But Terry Wilson. Beat Florida are gentlemen, pass through a grand total of eighteen yards flashed week against Vanderbilt. So I apologize to no one. For that all of the lake after the way over LSU. That's more to say, hey, let me tell you. This really don't give it damn what Wilson did. Let me tell you this. Jameson didn't quite. If you wanna be. Get into. Jazz. Players you take your take your head. You're always wrong. Do you wanna talk to Lansing? They hold on Paul gummy. Something good. You. Got you speakers. Okay. Tell you what I've heard the rhetoric. Let's get to a real caller here. Jim is up next. Want to ask you what obliga- should you have? I supported that food. I did. If you will. Getting them away. I'm trying to make a good Collier. Sapien called that guy is a complete. Cou I I'm sorry. I supported him ask you here. I can't calm down. Why the hell do you keep talking to that food? Why don't you do have no obligation on the people? What I on a complete maniac him on our now. But I'm honored with since Jim. I'm very liberal host. When it comes. Can be why do you talk to? Because I I'm I'm always willing to let people call them. It is you can use tell you when the something wrong. There's something wrong you're run in the Joe, you're making decent people. Don't wanna hear that screaming maniac. Cramp. They don't. I couldn't stand today. TV here that who rant like constantly put five minutes. He's a complete moron. I mean, really that guy psychotic. Who psychotic? Anybody? That's. All is gone. Crazy, Paul you got Darryl do when he'd sailed Jim the whole country's gone crazy that I know that I know, but you have to subjective. Your p people listen to you to that kind of insanity. Jim for sure I do appreciate you being one of the last people in America that watch or listen to this show. I am your hippo. I've joined you apply initiates oil to as we sink into the abyss. It might be. But you know, what you need somebody? Join at your at your especially somebody like me, that's got a little brain lift my appreciation because it's over, you know, this show's done, we're not. But I tell you what its own. Keep those kind of crowns. So what would you do to me? I've asked you this before. So what do we do? Never let your mind me of Iran me of a of a show Hannity lot. Hey, because he's so interrupted he's so afraid you I look, I know you don't want you. And I know what's going on what he'll do. He'll get Newt Gingrich the show and you start making so much sense that show interrupting because he he wanted shown week brain to wanna make the same statement. So you interrupts what you do to me. You just keeping up to me because I'm making so much sense. You want to get involved in it? I don't think I interrupt you that much. I'm just trying to. Good. How you you? Let the Klan like Lance talk uninterrupted. I start making sense. And you keep interrupting. I've tried all. I have cried man, Jim. Okay. I'm I'm a solutions oriented person. What's the solution? People when they just hang up on those people. Hang up hang up hang up on someone when they start raining and raving, psychotic, right? Not happy at all hurt. And you you got high some good people like just high people to go in the show and make some sense and tell me they don't get paid. If they any crazy. You know, stuff if they get loud, or whatever you need to hire some college ball that I can tell you. I mean, seriously, I can be about that. I'm serious. I can do we eliminated Lance who else? Okay. What I what I will do. I will do your class of collars that you are. I'll take him. What to do what to say? And you have a show that will go roll along slightly was saved me. It's all the time. So Jim, she's me. If you had to get rid of five callers to the show, Lance would be number one. I'm not naming baseball. This call is about the food since of Lance, and that's all I'm not gonna be stupid enough to start calling out callers. You don't let me put this way about nine out of ten college. You could you could cancel him up in about nine out of ten ladies all the call. I enjoy your show legends. Healing good. You got the squirrels. You got the monkeys. You got those foods? Don't tell me Aligarh me liar. I saw something on Twitter, Twitter, squirrel. I I don't I'm blocked him. But he said one and Paul call that Jim who's nothing to lie. I've done nothing to tell the to that. I almost said the bad Royd, I get so don't play this. He didn't hear it. I always came out. Anyway, you got bad collars, Paul? You've got more. Okay. She we get rid of. I man. Well, I mean, that's that's been said that time six years ago. Okay. But not you know, why you know, we're all I'm in land. That's three gender Foll. You get anybody that sensational and maniac. Oh, like, he is like, squirrel like, these other foods and even land. That's why you take these echo. It's all about stirring, the pot. They can't watch. What I say you, right? Stirrup hall at all it is to save and say that about me. I don't probably. Yeah. He did. In fact, he did I've heard of the day he said that SEC media days. Yeah. And better watch you. I l tell you who said about you who that's not always showed about you. But that's. Oh, hold on a second. Somebody else called me. Fox already said too much. What are your your buddies? Now one of your books. Your buddies. These are your buddies as well as some of my buddies Danny Sheridan didn't say that. Did he? Oh, you don't say to you face. He did. He sure did. Sure did. So I'm not I'm not letting any cat bag on that, man. And when you lost Sheridan you've lost the country. No, thanks. The thing is you haven't lost these still lead. Find to hang on help you trying his best to help you. Well, they Jim I hate the greatest Jim in gym. Being honest again, Paul, Jim. The most potential best show in town. You've already with that in the past. That's why we hang on hang going on Jimmy just gonna Tak by one of our regular guests. You care. Chemi hoodie is ten Smith Meyer. That's crazy, man. He else. Crazy, people know, he's crazy. He's agrees. Good guest. He's crazy. He got you. Do you want me to tell you what he said? I don't care what that food said. He's a complete idiot. He's Jim it's on Twitter. So it's not like a secret. He said, I don't wanna hear it. I don't I don't care. What can he said I signed up outta here? Okay. 'cause I don't wanna hear anything. Flu says, he's a food. Liam is so oblivious to the fact that he is just an older version of Lance. Anything that can say a maniac. Hugh, listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast charter from USA today. Maybe he can sort it all out force, George always good to catch up with you. We were just talking about stat that we had a minute ago that that Bama still has a pretty high probability of getting to the playoff George Schroeder. Brought to you by holiday express be the radius. George college football does not wanna see ala Bama in the playoff if they don't win the SEC championship. But that'd be a fair statement. College football at large. Yeah. The people that make the loud noise. Yeah. I think that's a fair statement. What was the staff was at one hundred percent or ninety eight percent. I think the number. What is John sixty two percent? If Alabama loses the game, they have a sixty percent chance to go LSU. We'll have a thirty four percent chance to go. Well, listen, I don't think it it doesn't help that. They went last year because I look I don't know that the twelve people in the room the thirteen people in the room actually of are swayed by this. But I mean, they're definitely see sort of the they can't help. But but here's some of the noise, it probably doesn't help that. They just went last year. First of all, let me let me back to this Paul. I don't think this is gonna be a deal. I don't think Alabama's losing in the regular season. But if it were to happen, and if they were to lose LSU, which is LSU the tiebreaker Neff LSU was to run the table in Alabama didn't get to the SEC title game similar last year. The the the real complicating factor would be who are the other conference champions the reason they got in last year, and they were clearly obviously good enough to get in and win it that the reason they got in because the conference champions they were being compared to were two loss champions. Right. And so if it was a one loss champion regards. What we would all maybe still think of Alabama. Although if you lose to LSU, maybe that, you know, takes down a notch regardless what we'd all still think it's still gonna come down to who are you comparing them to? Well, yeah, I think last year if I remember I it was pretty much a an Alabama. Penn State beauty con excuse me. Ohio State the committee never could get over that thirty one point loss to Iowa right in listen in and they had two losses. The head the fifty point home loss to Oklahoma. Which is you know, as it turned out, not a bad lines. But but head in and I'm short of the opinion that even with two losses. It's possible. They get in over Alabama. I'm not saying it would have been the right move. But it's possible. They would have gotten over Alabama. If it had been a six point second law said Iowa, and then the I, and I think the other part of that was if state had blown out Wisconsin, that's still think they would have gotten in then to it was just a momentum when against him. I don't. I don't disagree. And listen after the fact after Alabama one yet, another national title, it's hard to argue with the inclusion so but but look if it's you know, let's say it's Alabama is a one loss team lost only LSU didn't get to the SEC title game. Again this year. Let's say it's twelve and one house this time now they only have one loss, but it was a twenty nine point loss at Purdue. Right. I mean, it would be it would be an interesting deal. Because now it's only one loss, but it's still a big blowout. So you still have part of the factors from last year. But not to help your argument. But I will they would perhaps have a win over Michigan which would be one of the top. Maybe one of the top four teams in the country. Yeah. That's true. I mean, I think in that case is much as we're sort of all down on the state right now, if they run the table, and they you know, and by doing that they're going to be Michigan team that you're right. Might be a top five team at the time in in potentially. You might end up eating Purdue. I mean, I I look at Purdue. And I think you might play them again, they they might end up winning the west because they're playing really well despite their records. But I think if they got them point, we would we would look at that as a blip that twenty nine point law. So I think the thing that worries move out of state is I'm not sure it's a blip. And I'm not sure that what they're capable of the rest of the what? Yeah. To think that they can end up as the big ten champion might be stretching our imagination. I wanna ask you about the big twelve because you live out there and not that matters. But you'd probably see in here more than we do are we forgetting this conference. Yeah. Well, listen, I do think that if Oklahoma roles and their defense looks a little bit better. Then you'll start to hear more about them. And I think that'll be didn't at that point will be overlooking Texas, but it's possible that those teams are headed for a collision course, if they can both went out, and you might get to see them play again at which point the Texas that beats an Oklahoma twice a an Oklahoma team that we all agree is pretty strong. That'd be a really strong contender or an Oklahoma team that has overcome. It's one loss by kind of a racing it, you know, canceling it out by beating taxes the second time around that'd be a pretty strong contender to so. Yeah, I do think we, you know, this is the deal, and whether it's this week or whether it's next week, and we're talking about the first committee rankings. It doesn't really matter. There's there's still you know, four or five games for each of these contenders. Play. I do think both of those teams are contenders. I'm not a big, I'm not, I don't really think West Virginia. Even though they have the record right now is. But I think Texas and Oklahoma vote teams that you have to at least look at right now and think down the stretch they could be teams that would factor into this. Let me let me close with the SEC showdown this week because we we we just can't stop talking about Alabama in LSU. But Florida in in Georgia is the most intriguing game of the weekend. It certainly the most intriguing Florida Georgia game in in most of our recent memory your assessment of these two schools. Yeah. Well, first of all it's an interesting game. Because on the one hand, Dan Mullen has Florida playing better than we thought they would in a better position than we thought. He would have them this early. And on the other hand the last time we saw Georgia. They they kinda got smoked up the field in Baton Rouge. And so we've sort of had to reassess at least for the moment what we think of the BULLDOGS, and so, you know, one one teams a little higher than we thought doesn't seem a little lower than we thought, and it's clearly visible pivotal game. I'd be just looking at the numbers in the SEC. I don't really know what I think about either team, frankly. See I mean, I guess if you pressed me I'd say, I think Georgia wins and probably is the team that wins out and wins the easter's like we would've thought going in. But you know, I was at that game of bad. Rooch, and you know, LSU look good. But Georgia's just didn't look like kind of what I expected out of them. And I think maybe we overrated them through the first part of season limit based on last year engine. They've actually had a lot more to sort of replace than maybe we give them credit for your Schroeder always very to catch up with him from USA that Georgia. We will see you soon. Thanks for coming by. Thanks for having me. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Mortezavi be the ready, and we are heading down to Florida and welcome in Martinez. Martinez. Great to have you on so great to finally get you. And and congratulations on an outstanding season. Thank you. Well, I know this is a special game for all Florida Gators your native of that state describe what it's like getting ready to head to Jacksonville for the Florida Georgia game saw the excitement in the world right now. I mean is probably one of the big guys who had all these. It's about our peparation how I would prepare for this week and how and that's how we approach the game on Saturday. What we do. From Monday to Thursday Martinez. Everyone knows what what's at stake. I want to step back for a second. Because I remember being down there year ago for this game. It was a tough time your coach was about to leave. And then the the season just didn't didn't end very well. And you're comes Dan Mullen, pick that up pick that story up for us in describe what coach Mullen has meant to you. You're teammates end the Florida program those data about the last year. I mean, we was it was away a week, you know, the death throes, and just, you know, the threat like, you know, oh coast and the threats of an fired. I mean, I wasn't that wasn't us as a team. And just just the way we can general. I me because Mullen, bro, you know, news way to the program. Brought Andy brought excitement, you know. This is new refreshing. You know on the new system, I feel I ought players doing a good job of buying air right now. And that's the difference between last year and this year. Let's talking about what you do. Because you know, we don't talk a lot about blocking techniques on this program because I because I certainly wouldn't know where to start and most of the audience unless they played football would be a little bit confused, but tell us a little bit about how it's changed and what it's like blocking especially for Philippi. Tremendously late. You know, just different quarterback coaches in our understand fully Fe drops in stand. Where I got to say how I gotta sit in how Masa affects the the play in how far than go. How far okay go just depend on full EPA. I mean, just like having a clear understanding now, you know, just past petition and also in the run game. I feel like we do a better job with ID's. And you know, knowing what we've got to go and how to get there in just understanding the play in general. It sounds fundamental run blocking versus pass protection. But to the layperson pretty some of it's self explanatory. But take us through your the mindset of an offensive lineman as things change. He's all about this game while you're just 'cause yeah, I mean things change pretty quickly up there, depending on the signals. So what's it like the rundown an play, right? When I get down. I gotta get pretty fast. You know, gotta read the defense got to figure out what I got in front of me. Also, you got an you know, you've got a get to call it a linebackers. I got understand what's about to happen. You got to play the game hit before actually have is. I mean when I get down already understand what's going to happen. That's just by preparation throughout the league. And knowing, you know, knowing the fronts, and knowing that, you know, some key saying those like what they're gonna do defense. I mean when I get down like pro probably got about I'll know how to say. This is really quick is fast tempo. You know, you got to process all this information. You also gotta step. Also, you got to the guy in front of yourself. I mean, that's a lot within a little bit of time. It certainly especially important as a tackle to protect a quarterback in a famous movie the plan side, but but you understand that part of the game better would talk about that part and that aspect because it's pretty important in on the minimum side of protection of as one on one with the defense. You know, you got a quarterback. They're not looking at you pretended side. And saw me if you give up a pressure. If you miss you Simon that all comes back to you. And potentially you get the quarterback not not the gay you know, 'cause a big play caused a fumble. 'cause interception. I feel like it's pretty important job. You gotta you gotta be focused. Got to be lot day. Ain't got understand. What's going on as office line? It you can't have any mistakes because if you slip up one time you can play great the whole game. But if you slip what one time I mean, it's like the world coming down on most. There's there's a saying among fans of college football because. The officiating been a big story lately that that there's holding on every play. I know you've heard it you've been in football longtime is that fair statement. Only hold and if they call it. Like that. By the way. Why answer there don't say anything else because there's been a lot of controversy over officiating lately. And I know most of it's been on the on the defensive side. And I am interested in your thoughts on that because targeting both in the NFL and lately in college football has been a big topic of conversation. I realize you're trying to protect the quarterback. But what what do you guys in the trenches? Think about the way games are called. He's he's talking about are you gonna in hold in general, primarily we've there's been big conversation this week about Devon white. What happened? Oh, yeah. And I realized that's your job is to try to protect your quarterback. But I mean -ficiating does play a big big role in the game. Does not does. I'm like why that was really crucially, you know, office like maybe receiver Casta targeted penalty, you know, about coming trying to make a block trying to free up to run us out there. I mean, that's fifteen dollars and also play good addictive. What you know when I was growing up. I mean, most his we see nowadays. I was it was a clear hit when I was growing up playing football. But also, I mean, they're looking past that part of just like actually just a sign of hit by trying to protect players now days, and so like 'cause lesson cushions and called with injuries, you know, lit on their life. So I mean, it's a real rule, and you gotta go gotta go. You gotta do unfortunately not to get into the game plan. But if we could talk about Georgia for just a second of certainly a dangerous team, especially on the defensive side of the ball, some thoughts on what you've seen from them. And how the overall coach to this game has been. You know, a good team good defense. And they know that they play on the football and physical out front. They do a good job in the back into cover. I'm mean pretty good defense on the weekend. We got face good defense. And you see you just got to be prepared for it. Yeah. You gotta come out with the mindset you got to dominate. I mean, just that's how you gotta do it every every teams in the SEC's good on defense. And that's how I see it and already you've already dealt you'll deal with them. You've seen Kentucky you've seen LSU. I'm not asking you to try to compare one to the other. But by now, you're right. You've seen some pretty good defenses. I mean, Georgia LSU can take you pretty good defenses. I me as his limi- no point in this leave point SEC on face. The best pass rushers. The best bargains in you know, some of the best linebacker than the nation in this league. So you just gotta you gotta have him up a for got under stay assignments. And that's how I do it. I don't try to think too much about it. So in the end, you mentioned assignments, I mean, it's basically just knowing what you're supposed to do. And then being than being instinctive and react is that the goes. I mean knowing the game the big as far if you know, what to do you can play fast and allows you being position to make the bug. You know, knowing like as as as as a lot if you know is is more than just, you know, physically going to do it. If you know what you gotta do. You know, how you got a block somebody's it makes the game easier fat, and you know, slower for you Martinez. Thanks for coming on best wishes this weekend the rest of the year. It's pleasure. To see if you great Martez Ivy lineman from the university of Florida, we'll see plenty of him Saturday as we get ready to head to Jacksonville the show Friday from right outside the stadium. Thank you. For listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum show airs weekdays on the SEC network beginning three Easter.

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Hour 2: 10/31/18

"Carello everybody. You're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold Dr Pepper where every day is Saturday in. Everyone's a fan even babies and the seasons never change. Because the only season is college football season. Get a taste of fans Ville this fall during a college football game near you Dr Pepper the official Drake of fans Ville grab some today. Buck fried passion than patron tree of college football leaves here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Our to podcasts. Back. We are going to get your calls in just a moment. I don't know for her called today is unusual that we're an hour into the program. We had Stephen a Bill Hancock. And less miles joining us. So let's talk a bit more about the LSU Alabama game. To hasn't played anyone like us yet. Well, I think that would be difficult to argue it certainly LSU's team that. Tide has seen who wins a turnover battle L six turnovers committed by Alabama's offense nineteen have been forced by L issues. So that would back that up. Let's talk to some callers here. Harry starts us off in New Orleans. Harry. Figure how to work these phones here Harry there. I'll try it again. For some reason, we're not. Okay. Harry joyful. No, I I really enjoyed those three guests ball. And it was well we folding on it's up to you. Thank you very much. But anyway, Paul I two two comments, and I hope can you can comment on both of my comments. But I was I was pleased to hear here this morning on the goal IQ and wingo show because as a football fan college football fan. I'm I'm very I'm very I don't I don't know what word to use. But let's just say I'm very interested in this melon decision and your your take on that on the goal. Wingels show was I couldn't have said it any better. You did it. Very eloquently vary honestly in very fairly and and hats off to you for that. Thank you very much. So Secondly, Paul I wanted to comment on the Davos Sweeney's remark. I'm sure you heard if you didn't I'm gonna pass phrase when someone asked him about the the ratings when they. Came out. He said, well, it's Alabama and the rest of us now, even though I really think that's absolutely accurate and true. I'll wonder if that bowl was was was funny cheek or the thinking, here's the here's what I hear. Here's what he said. I I happen to to follow him yesterday on on the top twenty five show. So I know exactly what he said. He said back when I was in Alabama. I wasn't a good player. So I was on the ROY bus the robust bus stands for rest of y'all. He said right now, he said we may be number two, but we're pretty much on the ROY bus because nobody's getting near Alabama. It was very smart approach that he made he essentially saying that's Alabama and the rest of us, and it was quite quite effective. I thought. I agree with you on. Fortunately, the snip her didn't have everything you're explaining. So I'm glad I got to hear your take on it because I think all can win go. I guess shoes the Alabama in the rest of us, which I said, well, we might be using that as a, you know, as a tawny cheek thing. But but thank you for that take ball and a great week and enjoy the Alabama LSU game air, Harry. Thank you, really. Appreciate your kind comments. Always great to talk to you. Let's check in with Dominic. Dominic. Good seeing you on on never figure this phone out here. Is there a reason why? Guys. Can you? Hey, paula. Good good to hear. I was so happy to see Jacksonville. But he made May Day, buddy. Thank you. Great to see you. It was really fun. What what I wanted to talk to you about, you know, my Alabama fan, and I wouldn't I wouldn't be saying that, but I'm gonna say there's far and being, you know, I'm not wondering Alabama fans be all cocky, people talking about coast miles just came on and talk about oh he believes LSU could stop us in their Cornerbacks. Looking at the family looking out to we. We never had a quarterback like tour to who could spread the wealth to all our receive that what people missing the point that. If you can we can get into shoot out what you're not back at previous in the past. Couldn't we couldn't get in the show we depend on defense. LSU? Don't get up forty two points, Paul scoring forty two. Plus, they're not going to beat us because they can't score forty two. What did you think about that Paul? Well, I totally agree. And that's really the problem. I have with this game. And I am less miles painted a scenario that Alabama's gonna lose. I'm not sure. Followed his logic in reasoning. But. Alabama will win every shootout this year. Yeah. And Paul you notice number let you go. Because, you know, you're great, man. You know, you're right. I will be honest. We haven't placed the defense all year, but this year this gonna prove why too if the hobby winter trophy winner this Saturday role damn taco box. Appreciate the call very very much. Good to have you on. Casey is up next. Casey, go right ahead. All right ahead. Casey. Yeah. How you doing? We're doing great. Thank you, sixty five degrees. I wish you were across the river playing golf here today. I may I may just leave the show in an hour in come over and got a couple of get a couple of holes in your welcome anytime. Auburn. If we're five and three they go to into which is losses against Alabama and Georgia, and they beat a and n and liberty today. Make a coaching change Paul. No, they don't. They don't. All right. I'm stuck with Gus again, it's been very disappointing here for as far as that's concerned over football. Yeah. I thought the only way that a coaching change could occur. Was if. They ended up a losing record. They still could end up a little losing record and a bowl game. But but I think they would have had to lose the ole miss game and just lose out all except of liberty game. And. And right now, I think that that wind has given the program at least some pause, and maybe maybe they get a win Saturday against am. And I think all that conversation will go away. All right. Well, again, you were great this morning on Mike and Mike and the show is great today. What the interview? So. Thank you. Casey, really really glad you guys got a good day over there. It's gorgeous up here on the east coast. But the Ford to senior thank about did to hear from you. Let's continue more phone calls here. Jodi is in. Augusta georgia. Hello jody. Hey, paul. How you doing? Great. Thank you. I'm from playing. I've talked to you before. I just wanted to ask you one question. How far do you think that's different since and their Daboh says we own the ROY bus? And I kind liked what he said that I think you did too. But how far do you really think it is off? Well, I think right now in this changes by the week. Clemson is is the only team. That's I think within striking distance because Trevor Lawrence, but I'm still, you know, all the complaints about Alabama. Now playing anyone I know Clemson has beaten some teams that are ranked. But you tell me outside of AM who Clemson has beaten that really matters. Sorta same same boat Alabama. I don't think either one of us would leave anybody that really matters to this point. We'll get a good test this week. We thought NC state was going to be you know, the game. But I think we're just improved every week. And I think try to launch his game of slowed down on that. And I think he's seeing things he that see at the beginning. Totally agree. Hey, thank you very much. Jodi, good to hear from you. Let's continue with more calls. Matt you're on the air. Go right ahead. April. Arthur talk to you about they'll come game Auburn and check in in their previous has Mississippi State. Though, I guess you Winston lose them. We didn't play that good in that game. The third asset third quarter. You're dropping some balls like some dropping football clean jas Darren burger in they weren't protecting on. And he can't and play that same way it did answer quarter against Auburn. And we're gonna lose that game. Paul. You know, you know, I'm not disappointing in JIMBO, I know JIMBO comes in. It's David entry. He'll get onto them fit. Some of those problems for having right now when we get into the red zone. We don't score. I know he'll fix the problem that we'll get better. But I think if we played that same way we played against Mississippi State. We will lose that game in the only questions that have been pretty days. How do you think we're gonna do against Auburn? And you think you can says oh nine three my second question. Am my question. You think he's still make it to good bowl game? Right right now. I think this is a really difficult game for a and that I don't why I didn't like what I what I saw in the second half of that game. So I would have some big concerns this weekend. So these measly play the same way they played against Michigan. Absolutely. AM were has gone backwards. Hey, Matt thank you for the call. Appreciate it. We'll see what happens. Dave is in Monroe, Louisiana. Dave, welcome to the program. Good afternoon. Saint paul. How are you? Where are you doing great? Thank you touching. Great great guests this week. It's been really nice to watch. Thank you. I just wanted to offer a little bit of inside. I'm I'm I'm into a lot into analytics on on college football. And and let me just preface this by saying, I do think Alabama is the best team in the country. And I don't I don't downplay what they have done how they have looked in the efficiency and accuracy from the receivers and the quarterback is has been unprecedented. However, I've heard so much from you know, commentators and in media analyzing the game about how the problem is LSU is going to have to score forty or fifty to beat Alabama and their offense is just not look nearly what Alabama's has. I don't think there's there's much of an argument that the defense is equal out at minimum. Oh, she's secondary has steadily improved. They took a quarterback like Georgia's quarterback who's seventy three percent. That's completion accuracy. And and just made him look like he was nearing the headlights. But in terms of of the of held offenses have performed I think you have to consider one of the most telling statistics in analyzing games is what team. Goes in terms of your precarious, and what they allow in in your care. You can tell how efficient enough it is by number one what they are precarious. And in the defense is that they've played with what they give up. If you look at Alabama. And they're scheduled the team with the best yard per carry average is is sorry is Missouri. And they are ninetieth in the country. Vice I if you look at the defenses LSU is played you take out ole miss in other five F, B S opponents. The average is in the twenties twenty three I think that's a huge difference. And that would tell you that L shoes. Offense is better than just pure statistics. Would tell you and that Alabama's offense while very efficient. Very explosive has played teams that give up. Or teams that? Yeah. Teams would they allow the best team that is Missouri their ninetieth into country in the number of yours for carry that they allow so it's just something to consider. I like I said, I'm not downplaying Alabama think they're great team. It's going to be a tremendous challenge for LSU. They can have to do everything. Right. Not make mistakes. And then they're going to have to get some breaks. But I certainly think this is going to be a competitive game. And by no means do I think LS unique score forty or fifty points to win this game. I think you know, this game could very well. Be you know, twenties, you know, that kind of thing. So I just wanted to offer that and again, I'll joy your show freak shade. All your insights. Thank you. Thank you. Dave really appreciate we are going to take a break here. Much more to come on our program. We have many more guests to be joining us including chef Walter. He'll be with us in a couple of minutes. The stats guy Heather Dench on last night and her Edwards. Remember? Him used to be the jets coach Kansas City ESPN analyst now he's the head coach it Arizona state. You were listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Come back. Where you're glad you're here. Money more guests who come get into some analytics as we bring you the program on a gorgeous full day. From the Brooklyn Bridge in lower Manhattan. Let's get back to the calls and Kevin is in Kentucky. Kevin go right ahead. Go right ahead. Okay. Yeah. This kevin. Kevin kevin. I'm sorry about that. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Hey. From UK fan. It's always been hard living in little half. A little is you've Al called in a couple of times before just so very appreciative to being the position we're in. But a little bit discouraged in a way that we have that you occa- has been an underdog and football darn near every week. I realize part the offense has to you know, some of the play calling has to do with it. They haven't scored a whole lot of points. But. Every time you occa- is been underdog. They've they've come out looking like a dang champ except for overtime game in Texas. Just very appreciative fame by keeps. Overlooking us. I don't care if it's Georgia or anybody else other than Allah Bama, Alabama's in class of their own, obviously. But. I like the position we're in. And if you look at some of the stats, the defense, I think holds our defense holds everybody we played to twelve and a half or twelve point four points, basically. Slow down a second. Kevin. What what exactly are you unhappy about unhappy about some of the play calling? Yes, we have a great record Paul. I I mean, this is been a recurring thing going on for the last three or four years with the play calling goes back to even the predecessor when we're playing Georgia when rich Brooks was there. They didn't have Randall Cobb in the coordinator, they didn't have round the Cobb in. We had a few games ago where we didn't have any snow, Ian. I don't think I have confidence in offense coordinator they obviously have a game plan. There's a reason why they get paid hundreds of thousands of not million dollars a year. You know, I'm just a spectator. But it is a little it's been a little bit discouraging. But I'm happy to be in the position. We're in. I wouldn't I wouldn't take it any other way to be quite honest. But it is a little bit scary to be quite on. It wasn't. I you don't be scared. Enjoy the sports in the cabinet. Devon, listen. Kevin stop. You've got a great opportunity. Don't don't be hung up on all these things programs in places never been before. Thank you for the call. Really? Thank you. Thank you. I'll get hung up on the bad news. Enjoy it. And rob is in Virginia. Rob thank you for the call. Good afternoon. Welcome to our program, Paul. This is Bob, Bob. I'm sorry. Go right ahead. I have you talked to you several times I slur sometimes because I've got Parkinson so bear with me as we go. We are delighted you called in you, take your time. And in here what you have to say got three things to check ask you about one. I've got family come into big blue nation party time on Saturday. And you're going to be there with the. SEC nation. Is there any way that my I've told you that I have a great great nephew. That's preferred walk on at Kentucky this year. And I was hoping that there was a way to get you to sign some parents t shirts. My Mason them. Yeah. That's that would be very easy about the. I'll be there from what time they'll be there. Well, that'd be there at nine o'clock and all day long. Okay. Well, I will be there Saturday morning from about six fifteen till noon. So you make sure that you ask us if you don't see me directly ask a security person. And I will come right over is that at the at the base point for big for the SEC nation to. Yeah. We are going to be what's called the library. You know? I know. Yeah. Yeah. The the next thing, and I listened to all these callers from Kentucky. I'm ecstatic to be where we are. And thank God. I was not a coach's best friend and his first three years now was wrong. But I'm interested this year in your perception. Where does it in Kentucky? What's their record? When the season's over and where they rank and what kind of a bowl. Do you see them getting? I think if I if I'd say right now, I think their record at the end of the season will be either eleven and one or ten and two. So I still haven't made up my mind about this weekend. But I, but I think ten and two is very doable. Which is which will get you a New Year's day bowl that gets us into one of the six both. I think I would think so yes or pretty good. Well at pre shaped the way, let me come on and and handled. When I can't get the words out like I want and have a great show. I want wanna say this to you. And and anyone out there. You're welcome here. You sound great to me. I'm just glad that that you're doing well and have the ability to call in and communicate with us. Well, I appreciate it. And I love the show and watch it all the time. Thanks very much. Can't wait to see your family this weekend. Okay. Bye. Bye. Thank you got. Thanks so much great to hear from you. But let's break here. Mortem a five to four seven to eight five we'll talk to Seth wilder about some analytics here in just a moment. We're coming right back. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. And now I fought from Geico motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to purchase the gas station. Excellent. The gestation egg salad. And regret the gestation XM it as you presented numbers to the board. Insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen exited minutes, which your motorcycle insurance to gyco. Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. Welcome back to the program. So glad you are here. And we continue with some great guests. We've had less miles already Stephen as MS Bill handcock. And now delighted to welcome south, south Walder. Brought to you by Holiday Inn express be the radius. We do this every week and Seth great to have you on. Let's first of all try to sort out in unpack what we learned last night and no surprises. Of course. What does it mean? Yeah. To me, you know, I watched the ranking show last night with our colleague Brad Edwards voice voice. We just heard a minute ago when all those ACC schools came out at the bottom of the top twenty five he said, you know, this might be Clemson and number one. And of course, it wasn't. It was Alabama at one. That's despite having only the fourth best strength of record. And so to me the big takeaway was. The committee was saying the eye test matters. I test absolutely matters. We saw that with Alabama. We saw the Oklahoma being ranked ahead of Washington state and Kentucky. And so I think my number one takeaway is kind of confirming what we talked about last week, which is that Alabama. Even if it takes a loss would be an still very strong position. Just because of that I test. Let's go. Let's go over that again because I'm not in the south today, nor are you. And when you mention the possibility of Alabama still being alive with a loss to LSU, it it rubs a lot of people the wrong way. So let's let's just say it's a good game. We're not talking about a typical house state loss on the road thirty one twenty nine points but something something reasonable touchdown or field goal. Where would that put Alabama next week? Yeah. In that instance. Right. So where where they would just lose by a little bit. We would put them right around that fifty percent, Mark. Maybe a little bit above the fifty percent Mark to make the playoffs. The reason is is that you know, they can they can still win the division. It's not totally crazy that that could happen. And be if Alabama word ended up at eleven one you just you can see the same scenario that happened last year they would need help. You can't have all the teams winning out. And there is an apostle. Ability that a loss at LSU could be an eliminating loss alternately. But there is also a pretty strong chance that Alabama could end up eleven one and still get in on the exact same way that they did last year. Okay. So what what happens if LSU continues on? And then loses to Georgia, Georgia beach, Kentucky, Wednesay SEC is that effect Alabama at all. I don't think that it's gonna make a huge difference one way or another. If LSU is the one that wins, the SEC vers, Georgia winning the SEC. I mean, maybe a couple of percentage points here or there. But ultimately, I think what we're talking about is do you have is it Ella? Bama. Coming down against a me, a one loss big ten champ. Yeah. Then I don't think Alabama's getting in. But is there is there a spotter? They are we comparing them to a two loss champion then or or maybe even a one loss. Washington state champion, then I think you can start to talk about Alabama getting in and it's. Not that unlikely that that's sort of the conversation. We end up with at the end, which is right now. Sure, you might look at Oklahoma one loss. Michigan is one laws, but those teams may lose between now and selection day. Let's talk about Michigan next because they have a difficult game this week. They have really difficult game at the end of the season. They have that loss to Notre Dame. Notre Dame will get to second. But but assuming Michigan keeps winning are they in if Michigan wins out there in I think the question to me is is it conceivable that Michigan could actually lose to Penn State, and somehow still in the playoff, and I actually think this is the best sort of path if you're looking for a two loss team to get into the playoff. Michigan can lose this weekend. Win out win the big ten the two loss big ten champion with a tough schedule. Now, they're likely talking about Alabama minute. They would need help in that situation. There's no question about it. But all you would really need. You can assume Alabama wins out assume Clemson wins out Notre Dame wins out. And then you're talking about. Well, the big twelve have a two loss champ and as a pact while have to us champ. If. Do I think Michigan is would be top among the two loss champion teams? Like, it's a long shot. You know, there's a lot. We're talking about needing to happen. But I do think that's a scenario that could play out. Maybe the most likely way you could get a two loss team in the playoff. Let's talk a little bit about this unpredictable game unpredictable in the sensitive mean so much Georgia at Kentucky this weekend. Give us the scenario there. Sure. I mean, I'm Kentucky fans asked me each and every week, you know, what if we win the next game a real contender? What if we win the next game? Here's the bad news. If you're Kentucky you beat Georgia this weekend, which is tough enough as it is. And we only give you a two percent chance to make the playoff. Why will be FBI doesn't think that Kentucky is that great? And therefore, it's it's a game against Tennessee is not a one hundred percent, slam dunk, and then you're probably going to have to face Alabama. And if you thought playing Georgia was tough playing Alabama is even more difficult now look. Anything can happen. And that's why we like college football. I think it could be an interesting game this weekend between Kentucky and Georgia. But it's gonna be a long long road. If you're a Kentucky fan, and you think, you know, your real playoff contender. This question came up last night on the show about Notre Dame. We would assume Notre Dame's in with a win. But what about a loss? I think that they're still in a situation where you're probably in at eleven and one, but it's not a guarantee they can take a loss this weekend. And it would hurt their chances if they could end up eleven one I think they're going to be fine as long as you have you don't have four one or zero loss conference champions. And then the one exception to that might be an eleven and one Alabama that also could keep them out. But the odds of that happening are not all that great. It definitely could. But I do think that more likely than not an eleven and one the numbers bear this out in eleven in one Notre Dame team is more likely than not in the playoff. Couple more questions. I want to go back to this. Because even though we started on ala Bama. Point how Alabama overcomes not being a divisional or conference champion again. Well, I know we, you know, you look at their their weakness their strength of schedule, of course. But that was their weakness a year ago and to me when you talk about team quality, we put essentially we do use F B I is a proxy for for the eye test. If there's a team in the nation that we're underrating it's Alabama. Because when you look at what they've done against teams. That's only playing with you know, playing two and a half three quarters at full speed. We haven't seen them need to do a full game. And maybe we'll get that this weekend. But you know, FBI is built at it can handle some garbage time situations where you take out your starters. You're not trying to score at the same rate that you might. But with Alabama's doing is really an outlier, and so I think that most people when they look at Alabama. They actually see a better team than what we're putting down in terms of the numbers. Yeah. But I get that part of it. But you also get the other part of it. Where fans are going to say enough already when you're when you're division when your conference I'm self positioning here. But still. Yeah. No. I think it's a good question. But we've seen with the committee the committee ignore that before. Now are they going to take last year into account? I think it's a good question for Alabama. And it's a good question for UCF. That's not something. I will I will say that's not something that we put into the model because when we built the playoff predictor in a way, we were taking the committee and its word that it wasn't going to do that. But yes, I think it's a fair point. But I think we also just have precedent from the committee and only a few. We only have a few years span all the committee willing to put in a team like Alabama despite not winning its division. Finally. UCF? We heard the committee chair last night talk about them being twelve he was not overly complimentary. What about it to me? That was the biggest surprise of last night because UCF they ranked thirteenth strength of record. And then to stay to be at number twelve and ranking you would have to think that there's an eye test factor. That's putting you there. And that's the part that I really don't understand. We rank thirty first in FBI. I don't really get how you can put UCF that high given how little they've accomplished and how frankly not great Dave looked if you're going to put a group of five team in the playoff or even really seriously talk about a group of team. I to me you would have to think that that team would transcend the rest of its peers, and it'd be Memphis by one point. So I don't really I don't really see that. But maybe we have to recalibrate a little bit on them, given how the respect the committee gave them. I'm just confused by because I don't think that UCF has earned that number twelve ranking. While joining us, of course on this Wednesday afternoon. We'll talk to you next week. Thank you Seth for. She. Thanks, very good stuff. We have more phone calls and more guests who come on this Wednesday afternoon. It is Nick savings birthday, by the way. He turns sixty seven on this Halloween. Man's walking on water. We're coming right back. Listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Back. We ride your here. What a day it's been and gets some more phone calls here at eight five five two four to seven to eight five. Darrelle is up next. There'll welcome to the phones. Good afternoon. The Big Apple hall. It's great up here. Come on. They're all I'll pay us. I won't go one day, though, definitely going to York. What you mentioned birthday did you like sitting birthday called or anything like that? You know, I forgot there was so preoccupied yesterday, I just. Somewhat understated. I guess well, he really does it like really maybe it would not make much. But at least I understand you doing it. Because you know, who he is. But not understanding people don't Twitter, wishing fehb and a happy birthday on Twitter. He doesn't even have a Twitter account. I mean, you know, he's, you know, he's gotta hate when his birthday around getting all these Berkeley wishes for people that he doesn't even. They're all if he's not on Twitter. He's not seeing the birthday wishes. I'm sure he just cars fall for people. He don't even know it. I mean, you know, I'm thinking the car. How did you get religion? Preach. You know, like, I'll only wanna talk about it. I used to be fun or not fun anymore. Paul. Wow. All these people. I hear people comparing just running back for Kentucky to Herschel Walker. He can you tell me why there's a comparison there. I'm not sure. I mean, the guy had what sixty yard rushing zoo. I don't think harsher with ever think about sixty Kerry. Now, let's get to the fourteen playoff. That's still hit the Clintons in. Okay, he'll go be put it'll be so Carolina going they put him in there. One of the four in Notre Dame my opinion, they have to be undefeated in steel, I wonder if they wanted to top teams, even if they're on the PT one while day was gone. There's no way they can make the four team playoff. Then would you remember that? Sure would the weirdest thing in Alabama one while I don't know. I'm last year. They had that big that we had to fall back on sure they head that big win. They lose LSU playing. That's a limitation for either LSU are Alabama. It's your. It's hard to say, okay. You got SEC champion say if it's not Alabama. You got SP champion Jordi LSU. You got -plicitly in Notre Dame in there. You got Alabama going all those loss of a big cat team. That's got one loss and they did win their championship. You gotta play. They would go for an alibi. This. They must win situation for Alabama. Georgia four, Kentucky and Ilisu. I'll played this elimination for the rest of it the losers, and you you see while the only way they ever get into something. I hear you wanna cry about power five their out of conference games, you better schedule somebody, and I know a frigging Blasco somebody like that you need to be scheduling a top ten programs. What you needed to death? The only way you're gonna have something like this. And you'd better beetle because if you don't get your top programme, your you usually has about as much making this fourteen playoff going to painted as you do going with. Date with Shelby Meyer. Remember that? I would probably occur with you on that. Somebody no doubt about it. So you've all okay good to hear from you. Thank you very much. Joe is up next in Houston. Joe welcome good afternoon. Thanks for being with us. Hey, Paul second time caller love your show. Really appreciate show a few things number one. I think unless you have a really good chance against Alabama. So the Georgia game we're out there tailgating me and my friends in Colgate village, one not the motorhome cons of Georgia people. They're running by running their lips talking smack. And only thing we said that them was who have you played? And we don't say anything think Alabama who have they played. I think twenty two was the first Saint Louis. Alabama. Yes. Yes. That we've oh they play Louisville though. Yeah. So I think ever ranked twentieth or twenty no one is going to argue. We don't need to debate. This Alabama hasn't played a great team. They played a good team in Texas AM kinda like Jordan a lot of bad teams. Yes, georgia. So we just ask Georgia fan who or your. Good teams. I mean, Georgia's played Florida and LSU. Kentucky this weekend and losing LSU. So let me put just a little span. I know you're tired of Alabama in with the referees SEC and all that. I think it could be and I notice very controversial. Okay. And I know what you're gonna say in advance. But it's kind of like the good old boys club. We don't know. Exactly. Or no one ever really knows who's in the good avoids club. We really never know the rules of good. Oh, boys club. But we know that they have to protect their cash cow and Bama is their cash cow with all the media that they get in. So I think there's a good old boys club. And it's just unspoken that we do what we gotta do that keep the cash coming in. That's just my opinion. Listen, I'm never going to try to convince someone to believe in some half-baked idiotic in a ridiculous conspiracy theory, but thank you for your call. Two more hours to go. We look forward to having you on here. Eight five five four to seven to eight five just got on board. We've already had less miles and Stephen Smith, can you top that?

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"The pride passion than pageantry of college. Football leaves here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast. Replacing good afternoon. We say Hello to you on. What should be a rather interesting Wednesday as we head toward the twelfth Saturday the college football season, and it seems like no matter where you go no matter where we are today were New York the conversation remains to in Nick Sabin and today all of us who have wondered should he play. Should he not play? The headline today is why college football playoff outlook hinges on Alabama QB to Tunga the Loa and Nick Sabin. Unlike the rest of us doesn't seem very concerns to a looks hurt. Maybe even injured his play has not been spectacular but to but saving today on the conference. Call said to is fine. I think we gave up six ax in nine games. How banged up is getting guys a competitor. Nobody can play this game. Without you know to get hit. It is football. And we do the best we can to protect them. But they got hurt earlier in the year. I think he's over that. Now, I think the focus needs to be on everybody just you know, doing a better job. So that we can minimize, you know, the the effect on a quarterback a banged up Kinney get well, he hasn't. He hasn't finished. He didn't finish the last game. Coach I figured you'd probably do that since you're the head coach. I'm just a fan. But anyway, a lot of conversation there will continue on that as we move along. Meanwhile, Georgia football run defense pales compared to mighty Alabama according to dog nation. So what about it? These are like opponents, you can pretty well understand against LSU the LSU versus your job Alabama. Hell LSU twelve yards Georgia two hundred seventy five that could be a harbinger of things to come Tennessee. Thirty. One to sixty six Mizzou, seventy two one seventy two Alabama Georgia meet two weeks from Saturday in case you were wondering, maybe you didn't maybe didn't know that LA times USC football coach quite Helton says he's not going anywhere. Well, I got news clay, you are going somewhere. You're going to the unemployment line less. You start winning games rather quickly? And you have two more opportunities UCLA this weekend and Notre Dame the next coaches who always think they know where they're going. We could go Bobby for tree. No didn't know where he was going now, he's unemployed. Anyway, glad glad everyone is here. So much to talk about your phone calls, of course at eight five five to four to seven to eight five. We mentioned Mike Tariq o- on the call this weekend. And we look forward to that very much. Let's start with John in Mississippi. Hello, john. Welcome to the program. Good job for about two or three months of running trap on urban Meyer. You know, trash, Jim. Real good. End up being a bunch of BS. You know, you really? You gotta John John. Tell me hold on. I slow down slow down slow down a second. What was trying to get to a point? Well, I'm gonna talk about the first point you may what was BS about what I said about. No. Co-ord- nuts. It was Bruce Zaks Midland. Never happened. It always BS. So you so you're John you're telling me, you would believe one thing at Zack's miss mouse. I'm not believing anything out of me. Saying that what I said about urban Meyer is BS. He was suspended for three games. There's a trustee at the. Resigned thing because he wanted him fired. Are you out of your mind? You you're out of your mind. You put all your eggs in a basket against with a guy Brett mcmurphy that little quirk. No, I didn't put all. Exit a basket. I just know that urban Meyer IRA urban Meyer has misled and not based everything on what I know of urban Meyer Brett mcmurphy or anybody else said what about bread workers new story. What what about that? Hey, john. Have you heard me say one thing about that? No. You're not did you keep crap. You know, he's a liar, and you got own and you trash Mayer. Well, no. I I wasn't impressed with the article. I'll tell you that. Tragic, but I can tell you one thing. There's there's almost nothing about Zac Smith. That would shock me that none to buy. Zac. This is about the the back. This is the article was about Zac Smith. It wasn't about our brands his mother having cancer. He tried to say that that's a lie. He hey, John soda. I don't want you to have a heart attack. Why are you so concerned about Ohio State? I'm not concerned about that certain about the truth or you Kobe. Kobe on the truth being never Cannell for three months in bass mired for recruitment purposes. Everybody knows what it's about. That look bad to explain John. John John explain to me why I would care whether urban Meyer recruits, well or not. Gave Chris you're in Alabama guy. And you think urban Meyer is hurting Alabama right now in recruiting. Probably right now. Because of what you did and people what about, hey. John. I don't wanna call names here. Okay. Because it's really let me ask you this. Okay. So let's talk about historic. Let's get a bunch of people. Evidently, nobody knows about this story. I'm going to ask you again, John. Have you heard me say one thing about bregman Murphy's latest story? No. Because it's not true. Like all the other stories. He told fine. No. I don't think that. John. Did you read the report that the investigator read don't get all don't try to sidetrack me? Let's talk about the new make up to date other than just spewing Bs which is what you're currently doing. Yeah. I know that she was being so Meyer, we all know that I'm in the end the know high bully me, it's all good. I'm john. I'm struggling to follow. What you're saying here. Urban Meyer, y'all made it sound like urban Meyer was a womanizer. I don't believe I ever insinuate that urban Meyer. Listen to you had a lady Colorado city was John. We're talking. We're talking about me here. We're not talking about some caller to the show Jonah caller. I'm lady does those that you have all respectful. I don't remember name Christine Brennan. Yeah. Yeah. All these people. Call crab, Brandon Christine Brennan, never insinuated that urban Meyer was a woman. She just she said he was a blatant liar, which he is spreading Murphy Blair. What is Murphy lied about glide about the story come out on hidden? He he may not have it may not be accurate, but he didn't lie. He printed his. Well, do you think is right? Bombed attack goes around to find stuff on somebody else supposed to go around trying to find stuff you supposed to John eighty earthly idea with the media with the role of the media's in this in this world. Well, it's pretty obvious. What the role is story. What is want you to explain to crook? That's what the media destroy Trump story. I only hope Donald Trump. That's that's what that's what it is. Now. No, I certainly respect your political persuasion, but had Donald Donald Trump suddenly get in the middle of the urban Meyer story, saying the same thing. Same things going on the same thing. It's lives day. I turned. No answer my question. I just wanna know how Donald Trump who's the president of the United States got involved in the urban Meyer situation. You send you asked me what the role of the media was the role the media's distort destroy Trump. No. No the role the media's to shine a light on public officials on public people to to keep them honest. But but I do thank you for your call. And by the way, the Columbia graduate school of journalism would like be the keynote speaker next year at their graduation. Was that Zac Smith calling sounded like listening to Paul finebaum show podcast someone who has a little bit of a passing interest in this game? Mike, Tariq, oh, of course, a proud Allom of Syracuse Caisley drops by Notre Dame games as well. And one of the most. I'm the present voices in sports, and such a great pleasure to welcome Mike Rico to our show, Mike. Thank you. It'd been too long. I hope you are. Well. All same good to be back with you is this the first time in the history of this show that you've taught Syracuse football. Well, I in fact last year when Syracuse beat Clemson we had Dino babies on and it was quite a treat. I didn't know him very well. But what an engaging personality is. Good personality. He's a fascinating coach with it. Pretty long history fifty seven believe in he really waited a long time for an opportunity, and then after many many years as the system eastern Illinois to Garoppolo there and then go bowling green. And now here in really good Syracuse turned around to a fascinating road. And it reminds you that that young hot higher is not always the right guy at the right time everywhere around the country. Such an interesting point. Let's talk about this recycling. Do digress. A little bit. And talk about some of the things that you've been doing since we last saw you quite a bit, by the way. What's the backstory on this? How did this game at Yankee Stadium? Yeah. You know, Notre Dame is play the shamrock series games over the years here Paul where they've played at Fenway park. Play done in San Antonio played in different parts of the country goes kind of in lockstep with Notre Dame's philosophical core of being a national program. And so they've moved home games around when when Notre Dame cheese series separate from Notre Dame's associated the sea of scheduling association. They had they played a couple of games at MetLife stadium home of the jets and the giants and that was in twenty fourteen twenty sixteen so in this game team on the schedules. Nerdy and home game through the see in good faith, decks work. It said he was talking about maybe combining the moving the game parv shamrock series. And all that. I don't think when Jack move the game I've ever done. No. When he moved a game and decided. To do this deal last year, anybody thoughts. Syracuse was going to be eight and to actually showing up on the New Year's six projected bowls on last night's college football ranking show. So the timing really was not a big we were expecting, but the reality and it might be the best opponent Notre Dame plays other than the Michigan game. When all said and done. No, you really does set up. Well, for them is everyone wants to debate the college football playoff talking to my to Rico, Mike, I just wanna polish for second. And I know that you don't like talking about yourself, but I have to insist because your your career has just been. The stuff of dreams for every young kid growing up wanting to go into broadcasting your long run at ESPN, which which was highlighted by by Monday night football. The the move NBC where I I don't know if we have enough time to go over every event you've covered primarily the Olympics would be a good place to start Sunday night football Notre Dame. Golf, major golf tournaments around the world. What's it been like for you? You are living out many of our dreams. And my own still I even even Saturday fall. I'm Akina grew up in New York City, and you grow up in New York City, and you watch Notre Dame replay on channel nine in New York growing up as a kid a college football fan in a place for college football, wasn't very relevant candidly, and then you're going to Syracuse, and you get to all three of those in in one bucket and one day. It's still those things you go. Wow. I can't believe I'm doing this. I always loved sports still love sports still sports fan. And I've just been really fortunate to be around a lot of extremely talented people the twenty five years ESPN, and now NBC and be able to cover these events and hopefully not make it about us. But making about the athletes, and the places we are and the teams that are playing, and I think at the end of the day that that probably helps you have a nice long, stay doing this. And we were all blessed and lucky to do it. We'd be buying season tickets and going to games if they were incentive there for work. And I very fortunate to do that every day one last question that might but the stages are so big that you've been on. But but I am interested in in the Olympics because it's hard to find a bigger stage in sports than that. Yeah. Paul, you know, I watched the Olympics before ever since I got into business NBC's had the rights to the summer and Winter Olympics, and we do thankfully into twenty thirties. See coach schedule as a long way out kick the Olympic rights, right? The the thing that has been so hard for me is that even though the Olympics of change along the way, there are a lot of things you can point out and say well this season with the Olympic mama woods back in recent eighteen ninety six the ancient games. It's still brings people from around the world together to compete in the same event, which is just extrordinary, and you cannot help. But sit there at the opening ceremony in South Korea. This February as I watched north and South Korea walk in knowing that this unified team coming in those North Korean athletes, and the people delegation would never be allowed to set foot and south three and are not today. But the Olympics made it happen. And to me that is still the essence of the spirit of sport. And to know that in twenty eighteen it's still alive. I'll be more financial political interests than way back when it still gives me reasons excited about what we do for a living. As you reflect back in and I'm not I'm not ending your career. You're you're just beginning in the early days of of a new journey. But. You mentioned the dreams, but. At any point or at some point. Have you just maybe it was the Olympics? Maybe it's golf. Maybe maybe it's whatever that you just look down and said man, I cannot believe I'm sitting here doing this almost every day every day to do it. He opened the British Open doing with ESPN and b be being a part of that through over two decades. The Sunday night games has been a part of the Thursday night games hosting the most watch pre-game show that that TV has sports on football night show every week. Gosh like going out today. I all the Monday night football games is laughing. Really, this is I'm doing all this. Hopefully, hopefully, it keeps you humble of what I love about our businesses the people in it are great. You may get some criticism social media from time to time and Lord knows I will on Saturday 'cause I'll make one fan base who used to be used to like me, not like me. But that's okay. That you buy large the fans of so nice when you meet them, and you talk to them you hear it on your show all the time the people in this business have sports television production at an absolute APEC, it's never been better than it is right now. And it's a great age of sports, and we are so fortunate everyday to be part of that. If we don't teach ourselves to remind us has special this is than shame on us for that scene with right under our nose every day. And he mentioned it. And I think fans here what they wanna hear. But here you are broadcasting your alma mater in a game that I'm sure deep down. You can't no one can help it have strong feelings about the place. That helped launch their career. But but you are the consummate professional beyond that. That's that's not even that's what you're saying about the just someone doing a game. Let alone the at the very Zina's of their career. So as you approach Saturday. I know you think about every broadcast and you're prepared. But this will be different though, won't it. A little bit different little bit fun for sure I I've come to really appreciate Notre Dame. I don't think I appreciated Notre Dame, and it's places independent on the national scene. Because from what I started at ESPN. That's when NBC's contract started with Notre Dame. So I'd never had the chance to go there for a game to history of the sport. And we love history in this sport. And it keeps it fresh, and it keeps it alive and might be said to have been so much in my life. I still very involved in on campus probably four or five times a year involved with different things at the school. But you know, for three and a half hours, you can park your allegiances to side, I've told folks. When Sookie plays Boston College next week. I'll be rooting for them again. But for three and a half hours today your job or you're doing you don't have time to be fan boy have pompoms up in the booth when you're calling the game. Brian greasy and his dad call his game that the hang a lot harder than calling a game to your the modern. I'd be lucky enough to call probably forty forty five. Syracuse games in basketball and football during my time ESPN ABC, so and you've been a while since I've done it. But putting those allegiances beside it won't be an issue in three and a half hours of trying to see him. Third receiver is in the slot on thirty five. Yeah. No. I think that's a fair point that when you in never done a game. But I do appreciate the the brilliance of those like you who do, but you're not really anything trying to keep up with the game. Finally, I do want to ask you this. Because. The easy answer is that done everything. But I know you're not going to answer that way. But is there anything out there that you haven't done that is still left because I'm struggling to come up with a singular event in in sports that you haven't been a part of? Well, you know, there's always there's always the Super Bowl and down the line to be involved in our NBC coverage is scheduling timing permits with that I've never done baseball. There's always a curiosity. Meet at Ford, I grew up as a kid loving, but I'd love to try. But I really had at the pinnacle top of the list of things I haven't done his sitting on the finebaum show. Then when you take calls from Phyllis and the rest of the crew, you know in your patience of listening to two phone calls is among the most fascinating by play moments in sports history. So I would say Paul that probably filling in when you take of your rare days off, maybe gene that would that would probably be the pinnacle that might. Right on the spot walk off into the sun. Yeah. Yeah. My and unfortunately for you if that opportunity ever comes it will not be a good sign for your career available. It's funny. I I enjoy the show when I love the show is that the passionate college football fans, so raw it's so real. And it's so tribal, you know, if you live in Arbor and the second I've said on the air that you know, it Michigan. Keep winning Notre Dame team swinging. There's no way Michigan should pass Notre Dame because the head to head at McLean a minute. Can't you see she would be favored right now. They're playing better. It's it's a very unique part of the sport. Sometimes it's maddening. But it's also the joy of it and your show lives at all the time fun to listen in the people go crazy like such a pleasure, really. We are. So delighted to have you on. We'll be watching Saturday and do hope to see you one of these days. Thank you. So very much Samia Paul people to do great you connect again. Well, you got great though, the one and only Mike Rico joining us. And we are delighted that he could make time for us here today. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. One of the Staples of our Wednesday shows of roller ESPN analytics brought to you by holiday express via the radio. So Seth thank you, very very much. Let's talk about the playoff for dictator as we get ready for week twelve of the college football season, Clemson, but the better shot, then Alabama is that schedule based or or what is it? What is that based on entirely schedule based we think Alabama's the better team? But it's just a matter of who Clemson has. And they're looking at Pitt in the ACC championship game. I do think the interesting thing about our projections. Are now is that though clemson's the most likely team to reach the playoff? We still had Alabama is the most likely team to win the national championship and a place where you see a similar kind of situation and even more stark as we have Notre Dame the third most likely team to make it right in that three and four range, but Georgia who has. Less than half the chance to make the playoff as Notre Dame has a better chance to win the national title. I think that shows you what our model thinks about the quality of Notre Dame. Even if they are likely to get in. I've been up here today talking with various people about who could possibly come from the rear seems like every year I'm talking about the buckeyes and some years they get in some years. They they're always they're always right on the bubble for whatever reason fourteen to two years ago last year, and then this year how much is that Purdue game going to haunt them as as swimming. They beat Michigan, by the way. Yeah. No. Even if they'd be Michigan. I think that Purdue game could come back to haunt them. Like, you said, so if everybody wins out like, you know, the top four teams went out, we we can all see that. That's just going to be the playoff. But if a Haya state beats Michigan, and you also have Oklahoma went out, we actually give Oklahoma by a very small margin. A better chance to get in Ohio. And like you said that Purdue loss is really brutal. That's going to be the thing. I think that the committee if it did go home would probably point to and say, that's what held out Ohio State. It's a it's a regular Wednesday conversation. What if and you know, where I'm going Seth what if Georgia beats Alabama like this is I mean, it's a really fascinating situation. It's a great time of year because we get to talk about this. If if that happens firstly, let's plan for nature aside for the second. I mean think about the position that committee is going to be in his very precarious. They've straddle this line between best and most deserving in the past. And this would really make them pick a side. I mean, if you leave that Alabama you're leaving out the best team in the country. But if you put Ella bam and instead of say, Michigan, then you're saying conference championships still matter strength of scheduled matter. And so that's a really tough choice for the committee. I'll say this the playoff predictor is reasonably clear here. I mean, it could go either way. But it does pretty clearly think that Michigan would be the favourite to get in over a twelve and one Alabama in that scenario for the last spot, which I think is pretty. Interesting. And here's the other thing Alabama's chances if it does lose to Georgia could hinge on the big ten because if it's a high oh state and not Michigan that it's fighting for that last spot. We think that actually Alabama might get in a head of state, and it could again come back to that Purdue loss. I realized with Alabama losing late all kinds of other factors. But we would agree. Would we not that up until that moment on the fourteenth week of the season? They've been the best team. So why would Michigan Trump Alabama in that situation? Now, I agree. I think they are the best team the problem for the committee is if you look at if you do that if you put Michigan if you leave Michigan out, and then and put Alabama, and it's like, what are we? What are we doing here with all playing playing these playing these games have we know it's a predetermined decision that Allah wjm was getting in no matter what why did conference championships matter, and why do you bother scheduling a tough non conference game? I mean, maybe that's maybe that's why Nick save it doesn't do it. But if you if you're Michigan and you have scheduled Notre Dame. You have a tougher schedule. You go twelve and one you win the big ten, and that's not. Enough to get you in. I think that would be a lot of people say, wait, maybe these conference champions has really don't matter as much as we thought. Let's talk Washington state. They have a chance to put up an epic season. The the apple Cup coming up and certainly the Pac twelve championship game. Although that would be a really weird game. What about what about was? Or are they going to get in? If it's chaos reigns note, they're not going to and I'll tell you why we I think a one percent chance, and here's the problem for Washington state because I know that sounds like they're a one loss power five teen they ought to have shot. Here's the problem. If a nineteen percent chance to win out right there, obviously need to win out. But they're at the bottom of the pecking order of teams two with fewer than two losses in the power five. So what do they need to win out nineteen percent chance they need northwestern to win the big ten. That's a fifteen percent chance. They need Alabama to Georgia that's likely to happen. But not a guarantee. Tea, and they need the big twelve champion to have two losses. So maybe a West Virginia Oklahoma split that's a lot of things together. And when you combine them all you really only get basically a one percent chance. So. Yeah. Sure. Washington state keep fighting, but it just really doesn't seem like the dominoes are gonna fall everywhere else for them to have a chance. This is the biggest week and UCF history game day primetime with Chris in Kirk. So I bring all that up knowing that you Seth or going to bring good news to our fringe in Orlando about their prospects of getting in the college football playoff spit. It. Right. Well, I'm gonna have to my phone after this. But look you see we just do not see a feasible path to the playoff for UCF. We thought about how hard it is for Washington state think about how hard it is. Then for UCF, they need a slew of things to happen. And it's just not go. Going to happen. We talked last week about their strength of schedule. Guess what? It went up a tiny bit. You have one hundred ninth hardest schedule in the country. Congratulations. It's not going to be enough play predictor is politics neutral. So if there's a way for them to get in it's because of politics, but in terms of what the committee has shown in the past. No UCF will not be getting in the playoff. Sorry. Sorry to be their bad news. So even screaming and hollering, and and bringing funny signs making fun of commentators like you and curb streets, Saturday won't help them. Get in bring it on give it a shot. See we'll see what happens and we'll find out on selection day who was right? Walder bidding some truth out about UCF Cecil see next week. Thanks as always thanks for listening to my Paul finebaum shield podcast. I can't believe it. That Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. Hello until it. Get there alone. Get there get there. Now, I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's down? What's this? This. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Now time for Bill Hancock brought to you by the express be the radius and Bill always nice enough to join us on these day after Bill I must admit I was flying last night. So I missed a show for the first time. But I probably could have guessed how it was going to be resolved. But we always want to get inside that room. Thanks for being with us, and certainly no surprises. But what what what did you what did this committee take away from week three? Well, hi, Paul good. Good to talk to you. As always. I think a lot of people would have said, oh, they left the top tan the same. So they had an easy time of it. And actually we did at the top ten the same. But but getting there was I wanna say difficult. None of this is difficult compared to the real world out there. But there was a lot of discussion about everything in the top ten we'll of top twenty five no one loss in the top. What was it eleven ish? And then I think eight of eighteenth loss between something like eleven and twenty four so yeah, we have a lot of work to do yesterday. And I came out in a good place. Let's let's start with the top five or six, and the reason I bring that up is that the narrative on Oklahoma is they have they have one of the best. If not the best offenses in America. But the flip side of that is is their defense. How important is to the committee. If it turns out that they are nipping at the heels of that fourth spot. Well, they obviously have deficiencies on defense and. But they're all so dynamic and color Murray's real deal. Of course. But the committee looks at the whole package, you really need to be pretty strong on both sides of the ball and accept that. Oklahoma can forty eight forty seven then so be it. But the committee obviously committee like everybody else in college football than been watching their performance on defense all season. But if it comes down to it in committee camp trust their defense will that matter in the end. A lot of times the committee will ask each other good needy. Who would you rather play? And sometimes ask the coaches sometimes sports writer in the room. Would you rather play? And then then that's that's one strong way to approach it. Home is done what they have to do. Because of that. All. So I think I think the committee hasn't ranked where they need to be. We just talked to Seth Walder ESPN, stats and information. I asked him about Washington state. He said they're not going to get in. Well, I've heard that. But you know, there there's another team with dynamic offense and government. You just keeps getting better. And if you look at the way they lost at Southern Cal. They could easily won that game. So we could be looking at undefeated watching the team right now. UCF was another one of those that he said that about UCF is on centre stages week. I know you're find the they're passionate fan base. We all are they really seem to care about what we all think of them. But their schedule is not great. Is there anything that you picked up in that room? That would lead us to believe that they have a chance to get into the playoffs. We know they're higher than anyone's ever been. But that's not really what this is about. Is it no really not? I always enjoy those kissed that people come up with. But the committee doesn't take that in the case of UCF the committee sees that offense and McKenzie Milton is that we'll deal. They're fast. Just not sure about the defense. And obviously they haven't had a chance tested against the really big teams the way that some of the other people have done week after week. The Cincinnati getting into the top twenty five you know, ABC's stature that game this weekend. Another team that you see dominated p it is on the bubble of getting into the ACC game and really on the bubble of getting into the top twenty five. So they have some things going for them. But when you line them up game my game against the other teams scheduled just doesn't match up Bill. This is going to be a question that we get asked until the end, and it's one that people are debating, and that's someone loses and chaos reigns. You get a Michigan Notre Dame conversation for the last spot right now. It doesn't look like that what happened, but it could later on. This head to head. Matter does. But how much does head to head matter because we all know what happened week one? Yeah. That that's not gonna change not day one football came, and it it it comes down to comparing the whole resume. Obviously, I will stay the West Virginia LSU, Georgia. So we can go on down and look down the way, Texas beat Oklahoma. Let's go down and gosh USC Washington state look at the head to head on down through. And yet where the resumes are similar and Michigan Notre Dame law or has it now has a head to head. Let me ask you about injuries. Because it's always a big part of it. And right now, Allah bama's quarterback as you know, is banged up a little bit. What what what will the committee? Do. If a dynamic player is either hurt of or unavailable? Well, if it's obviously we have we know what happened injury-wise doing teasing. We know about this pensions. We know when teams change players like the Notre Dame quarterback situation. And I one of the situations I ever had to deal with when I was little. Was when Kenyon Martin from Cincinnati broke his leg in the competition tournament. I remember that was that like this. Evesham all different with four regions. But at that time what the committee did was based on regular season play. But also on the going into deterrment they wanted to strong, and I believe that time we see them maybe three they're reaching than they didn't make a weekend that could happen to ball. We could have somebody starting quarterback you'll add in the complex championship game. And obviously on that salary night Sunday morning. We may not be certain what he's come back. So I know what the can do they would look at the full body of work. But like they want they would do anything. And that's to me. That's that's that's the choice of committee would make. File question Bill. You're probably believed to hear them me. Stay that. L M has been Alabama's number one all year pretty much since this all started at least a majority of the time in the event they lose in a conference championship game. How how do you measure the laws versus the fact that this team had been number one the entire way? Body of work compared with the other teams. That's the answer. And that it is for everybody. It's okay. Lost this game. What's your body, work and wonder what the bodies of work of the other teams that are that are in of the same position? Bill Hancock always joining us on the Wednesday after Bill. Thank you, very very much. We will talk to you next week. I hope thank you. Hancock joining us for a capper on the week in the college football ranking, and these are capital listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Indie. Staples. It's always great to talk to Andy from Sports Illustrated. Andy, thanks for the time. Bill Hancock just was on here. I don't know if you were able to catch all of it. But I'm gonna give you a test on what he said. No, I'm just kidding. It just seems like the college football season is being is held in suspension. Right now. It's we're stuck on on Alabama. Clemson the same four nothing really changed last night. I realize there's a lot left to go. But characterize the season for so far. Yeah, it's weird. Because the teams that kind of emerged as the really good teams in the first three or four weeks of the season has stayed that way. We we're not used to having this many undefeated teams, we're not used to having one, you know, in the big ten that that feels like it's so far ahead of the others. Even though there's another big ten team with the same record. I think that's all it is. I think you know, Notre Dame being undefeated right now kind of changes the math for everybody. And the fact the matter is we haven't had three power five undefeated teams in a long time. And I am cluding Notre Dame in that group because if they're undefeated they're gonna make playoff and then you've got UCF undefeated as well. So. I think that's part of it. I think we're we're used to there being more argument because there's more losses at the top. Yeah. I'm up here in New York today. Anyway, in being hanging around a lot of people that would much rather talk about Golden State Warriors problems than college football in it. It's difficult to try to sell them on the sport today. I realized it's a great game and Saturday every Saturday, we love it. But. Is there a re is it Alabama is is it the lack of drama the last couple of weeks, and we've had some incredible games. What do you think it is about this season? Because it just seems like it's being characterizes a boring lifeless season. And I just don't think that's really true. And I I you do either. No, I don't. But I think there's some Alabama Clemson fatigue. Among the casual fans, I mean, these are the two teams you kind of see up there every year they played for the national title two years in a row last year. Everyone agreed. That Clinton was the best team in the country until Alabama weapon in the semi finals. So it's those two and they're sitting there at the top again. And I think that bugs people I think people kinda get tired of that they'd like to see some new blood in there. And look Notre Dame is new blood Michigan's new blood Georgia just got in their last year. They might get an air again. But they wanna see somebody topple those guys at the top. And the fact of the matter is that's probably not going to happen until the playoff. Maybe Georgia beats Alabama. And obviously that every reader Email in tweet. I get is what will happen. If Georgia beats Alabama. That's what we've kind of moved onto even though there is a lot of fun stuff going on. It's just you know last weekend. There wasn't a lot of upsets that weren't really games that had that much drama. I was at bedlam. Now, if Oklahoma say hits at two point conversion, I think we're talking about some different stuff right now. But they didn't and Oklahoma one. So that's what it is. I mean, it was kind of a weekend where it went shock and that happens sometimes any let's talk about two or for second. And we all know what we see. We also know what? Nick Sabin says you're one of the premier sports journalists in this country, try to separate what he's saying versus what really going on. There isn't a problem is it an issue or are we making too much out of it? Well, I don't think it's an issue. I think his job is to win national. Titles alabama. I would imagine you don't really need to it'll beat the citadel. You can beat the citadel with Mack Jones. If you feel like to is to banged up to go, you don't play them. And if you feel like he can go, and he says, he can go and and you play him a little bit. But not too much just to just knock the rust off a little bit. But yeah, he obviously look slowed in that Mississippi State game. It looked like he was getting hit a lot. It looked like he was moving kinda gingerly at times. So yeah, I would be careful with my guy who makes my offense more dynamic than it's ever been before. And Nick Sabin knows that I don't think he's going to play two or three quarters against the cinema approve appoint, I think if you see him at all it'll be very little, and, you know, keep them healthy getting ready for over getting ready for Georgia because those games where you actually March toward the national title. Anyway, two weeks left in the regular season one week with the SEC championship game. There are a lot of interesting stories, and you you know, them all you cover the world of college football. You live. In the southern part of the country live in SEC town. What would you say if anything has surprised us the most this year in the SEC? I don't I would've said I won't say LSU because I was the guy over the summer telling people. Hey, they're not going to be six and six I don't know if I thought they were gonna win as much as they're gonna wind up winning because I think I think there's a real good chance. They finished the season ten and two. But I thought they were going to be eight nine ten win tight team Kentucky was probably the surprise of the year for me. But then last weekend's Tennessee kind of change that for me. I heard you guys talking about it earlier about how you had the caller who said it felt like the six hundred point drop for the Dow in one day, and it kinda did I mean it took the air out of the the balloon because Kentucky if they'd won that game. And they'd won out. You're talking about a team probably playing in your six bowl. And now, it's maybe a trip to Orlando. And that's great. But that would've been an extra specialties in Kentucky. And and I realize it just like your caller said shouldn't be complaining about. Nine and three seasons at Kentucky. But that just felt like it offer to any missed indie. Staples joining us here, Andy as we get ready for the last couple of weeks of the season. This week. There's not much going on other than maybe Syracuse and Notre Dame in that game. Do you sense? Do you see a legitimate shot at a Syracuse win? Yes. Yes. And if you watched Syracuse play Clemson early the season, you know, they have the talent to go up against a team that has this kind of, you know, talent slash coaching. All that, obviously gets Clemson. They knocked Trevor Lawrence out of game early. Chase Bryce was the one who brought them through. But Ian book was banged up. He missed last week. And the thing about Syracuse that I find interesting is Dino babies runs the offense at art browse ISA run at Baylor. That was a staff that was very secretive. They did not share their their schemes with a lot of people that in bring people in in the off season and trade notes. So if you don't play Tulsa USF the teams that run that often. Now if you don't play them every season, it's a very shocking offense to deal with the first time, and they got a really good quarterback running at near Dungy. So I'm curious to see how does that Notre Dame defense deal with that Syracuse office because they can score on just about anybody? Finally, there has been a lot of conversation about this weekend in the SEC and. We all know what it is. It's not a good. Look your thoughts from a national perspective. Does this weekend? Hurt the SEC long-term. Or is it over Monday. When we get ready for the Ravel regains this weekend hadn't hurt the SEC yet Paul as long as the SEC keeps crowning national champion at the end of every year. It didn't hurt in the SEC. I my thing when people complain about this is why don't you do it too? If it bothers you so much or if you feel like it gives the SEC advantage. Well, nobody's holding a gun to your head and saying play conference games in week twelve so. I always find it funny because you know, folks from the south tend to be characterizes, not as smart as folks from the north or or folks from the west or folks from the midwest, and it sure seems like the SEC's outsmarting everybody with this thing. So if they don't like it, they can either change the rules to make sure it doesn't happen or they can do it themselves and you've seen the ACC. Do it a little bit too. Because the ACC also smart like the SEC would like it's teams to be ready for those interconference rivalry games. But I I never got all the criticism. I if you don't like the games, you know, if you don't wanna see alabam, the citadel, don't watch it. But it is working for the SEC and the SEC's not going to change it. Unless for some reason the committee start saying, hey, we'd rather you not do that. So we're not gonna put you in the playoff. They haven't done that yet. So there is no incentive for the SEC to change. And if you don't like that, you can either do the same thing. Or figure out a way to make them change. Next by this time next week will be ready for Christmas shopping. And Andy, you have to tell me where you got that sweater, man. I am envious looking at the screen. Listen, there's front come through and Gainesville. It's going to be like in the fifties. I got a bundle up. I'm not used to. This is very cool. Look, by the way. Many thanks for coming. All the talk to you soon. Andy Staples joining us from sports illustrative. Listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. So welcome our good friend. Chris Fowler back to our show. We visit with him in studio couple of weeks ago. Holiday Inn, express v the radius presenting him Chris this week at UCF before before we talk about that. So I do want to get your your read on. Clemson. You saw them last week. You've seen them earlier in the year believe with Texas AM, thanks for being with us and give impressions of team that many believe is has emerged as these major threat to Alabama. I thought you might ask you about the citadel. I can't eliminate. Much more conversant. Clemson. I think what you see is a team that was incredibly impressive tough environment. They made it look easy. And it wasn't easy to go into Boston on a cold windy night with a juiced up team. And they did they didn't body slam legally the quarterback and knock him out on the six play which made their job much easier. But you know, they just have closed the gap. I think it was perceived a huge between Alabama and everyone else people. Now, see Clemson is being much more of a serious threat to get to that. And the gap is sort of behind Clemson and in front of everybody else. And I think that the defense has been as advertised prevalence, he's is more impressive seeing the person that even at TV, and it's much more explosive team authentically team won the championship. Twenty sixteen kind of client thing ground game was gonna give ground game. But to Travis each. Is a big play home run hitting back in the playmakers rapidly. And it has got the young guys can stretch the field. It's it's a different looking Clemson team. Even when the when the championship two years in the one that got smother Alabama last year, plus in Chris, I think he's seen Alabama early. You've seen Mishkin you've seen Ohio say you pretty well. See the contenders right now, I'm interested in in in you've given us a Clemson view. But in terms of everyone else, Michigan and unoriginal house. Aides going to beat Michigan Notre Dame. How do you think? Shakes out right now with with a couple of weeks left in the regular season. Michigan's playing great football. You look for teams that are getting better and better, and sort of finding identity and issues offense that used to be much more nimble and flexible this year using say Paterson's talents on Patterson is as she been through the fires down there. You can't be the once he got through an afternoon seeing Alabama's defense around anything else easy for so has has grown, and they become more willing to let him use his skills doesn't look like horrible old offense. So it's fun to watch. And defensively. They're a hell of a lot of fun to watch because they just got movie pieces and and pass rushers all over the field hypothetic rested ski they play person second down like it's third down. Don Brown is a is a wizard. So she gives a team that I really like at this point. I stay with them to win in Columbus. If they can just get out. Of their own way. I think it is. Rude expression that has inhibited Michigan's big moments came close to beating allowed safety overtime game. When it was a couple of inches on a spot that that separated them from victory in Columbus that time, but I think that if they handle their business, they're playing much better football, Ohio State is much more complete team. They should win in Columbus. They should win the big ten title, and that should put him in the playoff, but they have to still handle their business Paul, and none of those guys have played in in one. Those kind of big pressure games. Get so that kind of goes for the coaching staff to not a lot of things championships is not really one of them yet Italic. So I I'm just curious how they perform in that showcase game. Surely the team to win it. Chris I wanna ask you because you did that game couple years ago you've done game day for that game countless times probably more than you can even remember we certainly have seen all the best rivalries, and that's considered at the very top or near the top. How would you describe that? Because the pressure is going to be a really unrelenting on Jim Harbaugh. Michigan entering the horseshoe next week. I think it's it's to what I to the. The or there's just this tension from the minute teams. Take the field for warm up every snap. When there's a lot at stake. Is there will be this every snap is just packed with tension. And meaning and the atmosphere inside the worst. You're the big houses reminiscent to me. Anyway, of what you feel when the iron bowl is for everything that same kind of, you know, pent up anxiety so palpable now can achieve ignore that they execute in the face of all that coaches ignoring coach not to lose. You don't want that that that mentality that Michigan state has when they Michigan hasn't. They play Michigan state. That's what she don't want for the wolverines when they play house. You want to win. You want to have some sweet about go out and say we'll come in and feeling like and this is not urban Meyer lights, and he's coach tight they've they played a very pucker that game when they play Michigan. But I think there's a chance that they might free wheel. At the Ryan day calling plays. They can't run it any way back of all well, Michigan. So just about slinging pitching the ball around. But Wayne Haskins gonna do his thing to win the game that way, and maybe oh has offense places fired advises up, but it's just a very very tense game. At the end, you feel that Sinn kinda released as you do when it's a Alabama and Auburn and the begin talking to Chris Fowler. Of course, he'll do the playoffs in the national championship game for. Yes. And increase you've done the biggest games on on the biggest stages over these last couple years, which brings me to this weekend. And I know you you look at the calendar. Or maybe you do when you get through tennis and start figuring out. We'll maybe we'll be here. Maybe it will be there. But I'm betting you didn't have this one down as your projected game for for this this Saturday November. We. Yeah. UCF abbas. He's been on people's radar there. Polarizing team people every thing especially down you're part of the world about what what UCF stands for where their place in the pecking order is Cincinnati, of course, was a four eighteen year ago. There was a bad foreign there'd be they're easily in one or two win team. So they're around with Luke cycles internet's plan, mid western tough football. So it's contrast styles. You know, this is UCS. The sun is going to be there. They're gonna try to have twenty five thirty thousand people to try to show the where with their about. But I think Cincinnati comes in with the chip because they realize they can be a spoiler. They could steal the spotlight. Once the lights come on. It's about the game not game day. And I think it'll be a much more competitive game than the one that unfolded last year. We just went to Cincinnati pounded the hell out of them. So I think the Bearcats are better equipped. It is funny. I will say this this is you know, you look at the. Schedule. This is one of the thinnest weakest schedule of games I've seen in my thirty years of doing this. I'm done sort of whining about the SEC virtual buys. I mean, there's no point complaining about it. It's a reality. People think you're smart for doing it. It's like right for the sport. But look at look here we are in in mid to late November. And there's just not a lot of games that have people's attention. And and the favorites, you know, it's it's a solid nine ten double digit touchdown favorites. All the top teams. That's not what you hope for. So something is possibly shake things up. Maybe Syracuse could beat Notre Dame. But I don't I don't see a lot of interest in in the sleep this week. Unfortunately. Chris. I totally agree with you. I'm here today. And you know, the drill you're talking to a shows that are probably far more interested in what's going on out with Golden State than they are about college football. And we're in the twelfth week of the season is hard to it's hard to get anybody's attention because there's just there's nothing going on this week with with a couple of minor exceptions. Yeah. I think we had a couple of games that have energized the season purdue's shocker overall house six out pleasure of being there for that. That's emotional game. But the season has lacked those kinds of games, I think, and and we'll we'll see if we get a stunner. But I just think that you basically have an eight game parlay. She gets the three teams that are undefeated into the playoffs. Undefeated teams. Notre Dame is down to just two games. We're gonna have that that USC game in the Coliseum next week. We'll call that one that that is potentially intriguing survival regain on the road as you. You know, but as C is not a strong SE team. And then of course, you got Alabama Clemson trying to take care of business. There's automatic wins those eight and then there's there's Clemson conference championship game probably gets pit gonna be heavily heavily favored to win. So you know, it comes down to just maybe Bama, Georgia. But but there's not a lot of stretch. One intriguing us. We get one of those stutters, and that is bad because the sport does compete for attention with the NFL and the NBA and other things in want want people were just fringe football fans or or not even fall into be talking about the sport this time of year, and it's not happening. Well done as always Chris many, thanks for coming on. We'll be watching on Saturday night. The what happens down there Landau? Well, hope somebody's watching whether you love or it'll be their chance to shine. Cincinnati is a worthy for them. So I think it's going to be entertaining. I hope you will watch. No promise, you I'll be watching. Hey, Chris talk. Thank you talk to you. But hopefully, hopefully, we'll speak. Thank you. For listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum show airs weekdays on the SEC network beginning Easter.

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"The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent on grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. What's in your wallet? The pride passion and patron tree of college football lives. Here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast. Welcome to the program. What a busy day it has already been for the last two days. We've been reacting to the decision by Joel Lieber, the athletic director dollar shoot to reinstate. We'll wait will now. He may be gone. According to number reports. But first reported by our first guest this evening. Stephanie regal Leyva is heading toward the door. This comes in the aftermath of a meeting last night between the board of supervisors we don't exactly know what happened. But. Remember Joa liba showed up in LSU. After escaping Duke after the Duke lacrosse scandal. And he has been the steward over a number of decisions, including firing less miles than deciding to reverse that and up with Joe ended up with that ores, Ron, and of course, hiring will Wade from VCU Stephanie regal who broke the story down in Baton Rouge earlier today in the business reports definitely great to have you back on the show. We were all sitting around having a nice quiet day when your story appeared, and you sent pretty much the entire college sports world into overdrive. Thanks for being here. Let's begin with though, what you learned in. Maybe what has happened since then good afternoon afternoon. Thanks. It's nice to be here. We were able to confirm, and and this talk had been had been swirling about certainly yesterday in before that Joe Alito will step down. And I'm not sure if they're going to couch it as. A retirement or resignation? But but basically he has he has been forced out. And you know, I think there was growing pressure both inside and outside of the university community. We saw the outside pressure. You would see the posts on social media in the irate fandom and also the boosters that were displeased with many of his decisions rightly or wrongly going back several years. But from what I was told today that there was pressure. A lot of pressure inside the university to and finally just got to the point where they decided he takes time for him to go. Stephanie this all comes continually in the aftermath of this five six week long. Will wade. Conundrum which fans did not like anything. Joel Leyva did even after reinstating him was that or is this the tipping point? Make in the breaking point. It was certainly one of several factors. It is so ironic that after weight is reinstated. As you say Aleve is the one that's going. There was this big hushed board meeting yesterday. And I sat there for two hours while they were in executive session, and it was extensively called talk about pending litigation. And I know they discussed the Wade matter there, I was able to confirm after but the decision relative to alita was made prior to that meeting yesterday and all the pieces were already in place from what I understand the university is finalizing statement that it's been a make either sometime later today or tomorrow, but I think before the end of this week for sure who surely taking their time, which is fine with me my question to you. And I don't know of anyone really has the foggiest idea the answer. But what if anything does this mean to will Wade who has been reinstated? But to too many still seems to be twisting slowly in the early spring wind. And I wish I could apply on that. But I really can't. And that's not my area of expertise. Anyway, would be more interesting to see who takes Joel livas placed at LSU already. There's there's buzz out there about that. All I've been told fishery is that it's very, you know, well known much loved high, you know, highly respected figure in the college athletic world. The Dallas Morning News is reported. Alrighty, that you know, Scott Woodward is is the man that many beliefs that will be, but he has not told his people at Texas ain't him yet. And no-one at LSU has said that get just routes for people understand Scott Woodward, who by all accounts is one of the best athletic directors in the country. We just talked to him a week ago on this program will some of you outside of that Rouge or college station, maybe asking why Scott Woodward will Scott grew up in Baton Rouge. Went to LSU has worked at LSU. He worked here under Mark emirate and went with Mark Emmers to Washington, Mark. And of course, now, the president of the NC double A, Stephanie, I realized so much of this is unknown at this point. But this board of supervisors would it have been there. Call to make or would it or was it king Alexander the president who subsequently made the call. How do you think it went down? Well, mccreavy the board of supervisors can't fire killer leaper, so technically it wouldn't be there. Call to make by the letter of the law, but whether they pressured king Alexander to make that decision whether there were higher up political forces involved, which some have have said like in, you know, at the state highest levels of state government, technically, no, the board did not force him out. But did the board apply pressure and did others? In state government apply pressure. I think it got to the point where the writing was on the wall and everybody could see it. If that makes sense your stuff in the mean, we're talking about that Rouge here. Nothing nothing makes sense. But you, but you've done a great job of trying to make sense out of it all, and that's why we were so eager to have you on Stephanie. Thank you, a quite a scoop by you and your publication, and we always enjoyed chatting hope you'll come back. Thank you so much have a good afternoon, Stephania RIA. We've talked to over her in the past. And again today, she broke the story of a couple of hours ago that Joe alita is out nothing official yet from Baton Rouge. But then again, you probably wouldn't expect that. It is it is going to be a long day. And I'll tell you I rarely about seeing a report of someone's demise cheered on more than this one. I think we for those of you have watched the show in the past. Joe liba was not a very popular man in Baton Rouge. In fact, the Stanley Jacobs who was a former LSU board member gave a quote to Glenn Guilbeault disaster. Noon saying I tried to take him out years ago. But I swung and missed. And now it looks like the board in administration have finally got it. If the story is true, I tried fervently to take him out. Well, I joked with a friend of mine today that of of the greatest days in history would this one rank anywhere near Billy cannons. Punt return, and the LSU graduate said, yes, it would rank pretty high up there. Just to show you the unpopularity of Joel Eva. And certainly all of us all of those all of us who have been countered him throughout the years. Wish him. Well, we'll take a break. Eight five five two four to seven to eight five. We have a lot more to do on the show before we head to the break. We'll get to your calls a lot of guests. But this has been the big story in Tim Brando, who chip us off last night at nine thirty saying he heard a lever was on the verge of getting fired. But we didn't have a show. There wasn't much. We could do with it. Tim will join us in a little while as well. We have a lot to do on this Wednesday afternoon. Listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. We're back Ford year reaction. This is obviously the story of the day. You know, I think the big story. What does it mean? The will. Wait. I don't think I mean did he get fired because he brought we'll wait back. Did he get fired because he he suspended? We'll wait in the first place. No one really knows. But, you know, the we'll wait situation, which was already tenuous gets even more. So after all this. Let's get some reaction. And Mike is down in Louisiana, Mike, you're first up. Mike you there? Mike, you're gonna have to listen to the phone when you're when you're on that when you're on the phone, I realize you're your TV's there. And we want you to watch it. But you do have to pay attention to the phone. It's it's a bit of a delay. Mike is another Mike and this one's in Texas. Hey, Mike, welcome to the program. Thanks. Glad. Able to get in. Thank you. Thank you very much. I kinda want your view on the house stone. Do you think the? Scott Woodward's ties to LSU are are the strong enough to get him back into the do LSU territory from am. Mike. I think the simple way to answer that is. I don't know when I first heard about Woodward this afternoon. I kinda thought there's no way. And now start you start thinking about it. And I don't know I don't know very many people who haven't been tempted to go back to where they're from. Or were they spent a long period of time. I know I have and others have as well. And I mean to me it would just seem to be an awkward time to leave a place that you are just building and making a powerful entity. But sometimes people are builders, and in creators, and now that he's hired to phenomenal coaches. Maybe he wants to go back and try it again. I I don't know. I mean, I know Scott fairly well, but this is not a situation I've ever discussed with him. Most people would be scared away by the politics of the situation down there. Scott wooden Scott knows how to play that game. Because he was once part of that game. Mike. Let me try you again. Hey, my go right ahead. Hi, Paul this Mike Kessler. I've been losing any dinner on. Yeah. We are. Thank you for the call against, sir. I was curious. What do you think? Dr Scott would've been hired backseat. Giving might eighty five. Graduated valid sue and I can tell you LSU cannot do better than Scott word. I'm I'm I'm fairly dry. Make sure statements, but they can't he's he's as good as an director as they're currently is in in the world. And if they could get him back, and I'm sure they'll maybe they'll try then I it really depends on who's making the call and this ounce like a board of trustees decision. The board of trustees hires the president he's supposed to make personnel decisions. But this is Louisiana or anything goes. So I'm sure they'll I'm sure he's aware of it. I don't think he Scott heard about it today for the first time. He's done a lot of positive things real he's for not listening. I if it's got word we're was sitting in Baton Rouge in two weeks is the athletic director. He would be the ultimate get. This there. Thank you very much, by the way, though, the money that Scott Woodward has spent getting coaches is also available to keep him there. So I think it would be difficult. But then again, I don't know. You never know what somebody how somebody feels about going home again. Most people want to Dan is in Louisiana. You're on the air. Go right ahead. Taking mccall. Thank you follow on. I don't know. I guess this is kind of a sham of this happening at LSU. You know? I don't really understand it. But you know. I believe. Loyalty, I'll believe Joe liba was loyal to the school and had integrity. You know? He may have made some missteps, but I think he he tried to do the right thing by by covering the school cover Nath medic department administration. Even you know, the players, whereas I think we'll wait royalty is like a, you know, a male line when he takes over the darn cried he eats eight Secaucus. And you know, I know you have OT I've been listening to you for quite a while and your bread all your own. I just like to know you tell well, I will say this in fairness to to Scott Woodward. You can find no fault with the way he handled the way I can't find any fault with the way he handled the way. Oh, wait situation. You not legal. I'm sorry. Yeah. Liba? I mean, I thought leva did all he could do. I mean, I I the only thing I would have done differently. I would have fired. We'll wait five weeks ago. I wouldn't waste of time. But I have a feeling that Joe alita did not have the power to do that. And you you live down there. And you probably understand it as well. Or better than I do. There are a lot of people that are in that kitchen at LSU. So he played at the only way he could. And when Aleve a was told that weight had a new attorney and was willing to meet then he did exactly what the letter of the contract said he reinstated him. Well, like, I said, I believe you know, he was flow. He, you know, sometimes these things take a little time. Sometimes we can't take a hill. And you know, you're right. And that's the one thing and you understand it, Dan. Thanks for the call. Is it? You know, we we blame we blame the figurehead. But. Sometimes they can't do. I mean, I've known a lot about directors who had ultimate power in many of whom that were mere Unix to had no power at all. They were just a shell of a man or woman for that matter. But you can't be you know, Jim is next in Louisiana. Hello, jim. Good afternoon to you. Yes, I'm I'm get or the day that they found that got Joa labor that he he's worth nine that happen to LSU. We should we couldn't have gotten a whole lot better. Only. Jim what are what did Mr. saying, Jim? What did Mr. leva do? So that was so bad. Well, he Dallas you down getting getting people that we got in football program. Okay. Answer my question. Greg is up next in Mississippi. Hello, greg. Hey, push. St. McCall, buddy. Thank you very much. Oh, yes. I wanted to just kind of my head towards your way, just Paul that. They've been some collared like to the was trying to maybe throw this thing out to maybe a with the Joe alita of maybe, you know, what's the culture, the or, you know, everybody's doing you know, everybody jumping off the ridge. You don't jump off Brian them? Right. But I just I just kind of been on outside looking in right here. And I always nobody brought this up. But oh, you know, why didn't Joe leave do something in October? He had all Bevan's right in front of you know, that's a good. That's always a question of wondered because. I mean he called in. We'll wait. And you must've asked him one question is is any of this true? And Wade said no that's not really what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to you're supposed to make sure investigate yourself conduct an internal investigation and find out if there's anything to it. And I also have a hard time believing that a leave oh had not heard of some of these allegations in the past against will. Wade. Exactly. I just like I said if we know it's never do wrong never road to do right of always been in my book there. But I mean, you just pay sustain head on October. You've got a great team great talent. You got let that assistant let them jail. Maybe they winning the deterrment. But we you turn a blind eye. Just let it just drag on this is what you get. Right. I think. Leyva had been there too long. I think he'd made too many enemies, and he was just trying to hang on. And he knew he knew how good the program was and how good the team could be. And he just let it go. And unfortunately, a lot of people down there did the same thing. Thank you for the call mad is in Tennessee, Matt go right ahead. Paul thanks for taking my call. Thank you. Thank you. It was about a week ago called and we were talking about the big contract. Rick Barnes have got. And now the just seeing the comments late last night about what he said as far as going to USA Legos. And you know, in my opinion, it's a lot a lot. Like, you said, I mean, that's like if you were with somebody, and they basically told you, you know, I would have went with this, you know, better looking more muscular guy, but you know, he didn't spoil me as much. So I think I'll just stay with you. Instead since you're the one that gives me more money, the I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna leave my wife for a wealthy woman. And and then she at the last minute. She said, listen, I'm not gonna pay for your divorce. So I'm gonna go I'm gonna go back home and say, you know, what I think I'm gonna stick around a couple more years because I mean, I the thing that gets me the most I mean, we've all had thoughts like that. He's one of the first people in public life. That's ever told the truth here, which I do admire, but I don't know if it was really too smart to say. I mean, just some stuff's better less said, Paul, you know, you lock it. If a woman said, hey, do I look fat. Exactly, you know, E if you thought she did you still you don't say that I've had that happen. I mean, I'll go ahead. And you know, how many times is it's happened to me my wife, would you like this dress, I go. Oh, yeah. It's great. I'm going are you out of your mind? But I'm not about to say that at seven fifteen in the morning. Letter glitter. I mean, she's smart letter dress. However, she wants to now, by the way, she'll tell me if I look stupid, but that's that's a different story. And also what I thought about Paul was how it of route Barnes. Locked Phillip Fulmer got up there. His press conference have been like. Yeah. You know, we're happy to have Rick Barnes. You know? He's a good coach. We'd rather have coach Williams for coach cow. But yeah, we'll settle for Rick. You know, basically the same thing. And I don't care what anybody says. Yeah. Okay. He was brutally honest. I still don't make it. Okay. Man. He's the three house paid coaching America. Now who doesn't deserve that kind of money. Well, you don't he's not Nick saving, and you don't get a pass for saying crazy things like that. This will go away, and it won't ever be an issue again until he has a bad season. And then it will be an issue. I mean, I'm still and I people have said, well, Phillip Fulmer said everything's okay. Well, I don't know if everything's okay or not. And it really doesn't matter now because he is staying, but to me it was I it's it's become he he's he's made. He's made a lot of money. But it's still rather awkward situation. Well, I can tell you this Paul the fan base ain't going to be as forgiving as what they would have been before the big contract and itself, but actually. It's amazing to me how a large amount of money because I mean, when we listen, we're we're we all are are looking at that money going are, are you kidding? I mean 'cause four point seven million dollars is unrealistic to virtually all of those last year. Well, yeah, I mean all of us to outside of a couple of bankers watching maybe or plaintiff attorneys. That's a lot of money. We'll take a break. More to come eight five five two four to seventy five is the number south Walter will talk about who's going to the college football playoff. And then in the next hour Kimmy be who told us last night. What was going down in Baton Rouge? He will join us as well. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. We're back. Glad you're with us. And JC is in Texas as we begin the second half of the first hour. Hello JC. Hi, Liz, define bomb on the first time caller. Appreciate you taking my call. Thank you. I'm an LSU fan living in Texas long long horn country. But I think today's a great day for LSU and its fans, you know, I wish Joe Aleve and his family. Well, but unfortunately, there's just been so many situations that have been bungled from the Florida hurricane situation where I think we we played in Gainesville now for seven or eight years in a row back that he was about he was three years too late and firing less miles. And then he I in my opinion messed up the hiring of JIMBO Fisher and Tom Herman. And then there's, you know, don't even get me started on the decline of the game day variance that LSU football games in the fall. So in my opinion, great day, and I would love to see us just cut through all the crap. And and triple whatever an thing got woodwork and just bringing the heck homed issue. That's what every agent loves to hear. Thank you for the call. Let's get to our next guest Seth Walter from ESPN and try to figure out what's happening here scout Sheth, always great to have. You haven't talked to you in a couple of weeks, and it is always cool to touch base. So who has the best chance to reach the college football playoff. I'm going to hold my breath as we weights and listen to you because I know you're going to give us four teams. We haven't thought of right? Well, I can't surprise you too much Paul. I mean who else would it be but Clemson and Alabama at the top. But I do think it is actually notable. When you look at those two teams because we have Clemson at Eighty-three percent chance to make the playoff which is for an objective model like this outrageously high. I mean, I think when we look at this. I'm not sure if we are sitting here talking over the next ten years in the preseason, we're going to have a team as high in the preseason and make the playoffs. We do. Clemson right now. It's just that up to perfectly. We've got a. Pending national champion who everyone agrees. I think that is going to be great again is bringing back their most important player in Trevor Lawrence and the schedule is so soft. We are talking about one of the easiest schedules. Among power five teams. They they're to touchdown favorites over every single opponent that they have on their schedule. Their toughest game is at South Carolina. Their last game of the regular season for context. Alabama also plays at South Carolina. It's their fifth. Toughest game. The ridiculous Alabama's not far behind. But we're so used to hearing the same things you just got through saying about Alabama. Yeah. There's no question there a major title contender. Seventy one percent. We have for them to the the real difference. Here comes down to the competition. The SEC we've talked about before Paul how favorably FBI views the SEC. And so you're talking about a number of challengers. I think there's a good chance that the SEC is able to put two teams back in the playoff. We actually put that a better than a fifty fifty proposition. And so that's good for Alabama. But the reality is they're going to have to play LSU granted in Tuscaloosa. But that's still a challenge game. No matter what you're going to have a challenging game in the SEC championship game. So there are opportunities for Alabama to lose even as an elite team as it is still very likely that the tighter end of in the in the final four. Okay. You I double check my I saw you have Michigan in the top four. Yeah. That's the. The big surprise. That's where we're really out on a limb. I think the big ten is really interesting. Look, here's what's going on with Michigan F B I is incredibly down on Ohio State. And I know people feel like Justin fields, you know, the next great quarterback at Ohio State. But the reality is you're talking about a brand new head coach and a new quarterback. There's a lot of uncertainty. Then what you're talking about these elite teams, you don't want uncertainty and so- Michigan while it's you know, maybe not as I catching talk about Harbaugh shape. Patterson? It's still that there's a lot more certainty there and they're bringing back a lot of players. And so and on top of that sorry, Ohio State is coming to in Arbor this year. So Michigan just had is the team that can take advantage of that the rest of the big teams maybe down a little bit. And so they're in a pretty good position to finally get into playoff. Forty-one percent. Listen to me, this is a team that was in contention all last year until the implosion at the end. So we shouldn't be that surprised. Should we? No, I don't think. So. Yeah. Like, you said we've seen the they've come close. And I do think that this would be their best chance. I think there's a good possibility that Ohio State won't be able to mount the kind of challenge that it did for Michigan in the past. You alluded to Georgia know, their schedule is is more difficult. But the because they have Notre Dame. They have AM both games at home, though. They do go to Auburn. I'm remembering the Georgia schedule off the top of my head. But that that probability is still pretty high still very high because we think that the third best team in the country. Right. So even though there may be behind Michigan. I in terms of chance to meet the playoff ju just because it's scheduled. There's no question that when we talk about the things that we like about Alabama we like about Clemson. We like about Michigan talking about stability at quarterback and head coach Georgia has all of those things. It's obviously done a nice job in the recruiting department over the past couple of years. And so they'll that all goes into it. And so yeah, absolutely. I think that Georgia is in. Pretty good chance. It is a pretty good position to make the playoff again, especially because the SEC could get two teams. So once we get past these four chef who is nipping at the heels next. I think the interesting team here is another SEC team in LSU. Well, and I think that people don't think about them really as being a contender because you consider. Well, they gotta go to Tuscaloosa, they're in the same division as Alabama. So how's that possibly going to work? Well, there's two things to remember one don't round down their chance to beat Alabama two zero look low. We put it about a one in four shot. But that's not nothing. It is possible. They could do it. It is possibly could win the division. But we've also seen teams from that very same division reached the playoff even if they only go eleven in one, and I think that's possible for LSU. Look is a really good team. If their defense is going to lead the way, but I think Joe borough is overlooked in terms of his play last year. He. Finished fourteenth in total QBR. I mean, there are guys that are were lower on that list that I've gotten a lot of hype this this offseason Sam etlinger was behind Joe borough. And so I think the LSU really could sneak up on some people this year shows how how how deep do you rank? I mean, your your group how far down do they go? Well, we go all all one thirty. But you know, there's not that many teams that actually have a chance to win the national championship. I mean, I think we had it at nine teams of at least a one percent shot to win national championship. And and so I think you there's a lot of longshots he'll teams you have one percent to reach the playoffs. That's that's all possible. But yeah, I mean, we got one thirty if you need your no, I was just thinking of you know, someone. Outside of this conversation who might be worth putting two bucks down on. Oh, gosh. Yeah. I mean, I think that. Well. I think there are when we compare to Vegas. There are teams that we are longer on. And then the oddsmakers Michigan LSU and Clemson three teams. We've already talked about are are those teams in terms of like total longshots. I'm not sure I mean teams surprise me. We have UCLA at one point one percent chance to make the playoffs that would blow me away. But I suppose at a hundred to one anything could happen. Always fascinating. So Jim Harbaugh probably not happy about the pressure. But after all your five he deserves it. Great to have you on chess. We'll talk soon. Thanks, paul. So there you go LSU right outside, but Alabama. Thank you. Appreciate it guys in Georgia inside the top four. We'll take a break. Get your reaction with that. Joe alita still nothing official from Baton Rouge, but speculation rampant he is done. Just two days after reinstating we'll way lots of talk about we'll be right back to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. I can't believe it that Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it got there. How long we get there? I'll learn until we get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with Geico. What's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's this? Believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Welcome back a lot going on here. And let's hear some reaction to all of it from you, Scott is in Louisiana. Hello, scott. Oh, thank you so much for taking my call, Paul. This news kind of laying down. It was such a good news today. Glad we could please very pleased to say the least been waiting for years for this. So what does it mean? The Domino's have started to follow Paul. In my opinion. I think as long as a lever was there. It was going to be impossible to get this fan base United. Yeah. To me best news of the day on a gloomy day. The I don't know this. I agree with you. Thank you, Paul. Thank you. He was just, you know, first of all Joe level was not a person that that was easy to business with for anyone. Bruce is up next in Florida? Hello. Hello, bruce. Go right ahead. Are you doing? I'm all speakerphone trying to get you off of that. That's okay. Well, thank you. It's good to talk to you today. I got a couple of things I got a favor. I'd like to ask you listeners me and my family in July. We're going up to Cleveland, Ohio to take my son. I told you about Under Armour baseball factory to a clinic. He's been invited to one of only twenty five in the nation as a Cleveland Indians facility. What I'd like to know is is there any attract shows or anything in a wife can do. He's gonna be the camp, and we're just going to be at a hotel in Cleveland yesterday. And I don't know nothing about Cleveland. You know, I don't know. I know Cleveland has the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Oh, yeah. That that'd be interesting. John John excuse me, Danny and John anything else up in Cleveland. They got a late to caught on fire. Thank you. Rob you fish fishing around on. Yeah. I mean, you got the you got Lake Erie. There don't you really? Lake something. One half. The thing. The thing I want calling about really, truthfully. No. I do need information about Cleveland. If y'all can help me. But also, I'm curious about your opinion. I'll Florida right now. It seems to me you're higher. I'll take say then you are Florida. Well, just just marginally. I I I think I'll tell you what I'm going to be in Gainesville at the end of the week. So. Give me I'm having a hot. Well, let me know where I'll come down and see I will be there tomorrow. So wait you or feeding centered on University Avenue? I know exactly where it is. Well, I can break away from down there doing some interviews. So I will be well, I know I'm going to be at the stadium tomorrow afternoon early afternoon. So if you're if you're in that neighborhood, come by whatever I get done with my Emara will definitely here to say, okay? I'll be there at least a first half of the afternoon, but we're not get back tomorrow night. I'll have a much better idea. What what the Gators look like how about that dot? That's good. I I really feel like they are dark horses year. I don't think they're going to be a little winning national championship yet. But I do Dan Mullen because he's done it before that's his goal, and he is pushing and he is working with that team. And he has in their mindset to to to achieve that again. We'll bruce. Thank you. Good luck with the MRI tomorrow. And we'll talk hopefully, Friday how about David in Tuscaloosa. Hello, david. I have been trying to get into this sport. Hi, I'm really glad you made it. Yes. Becky itself. Back in nineteen seventies men with better. What? I got dispatched to coach Vance home. And when a jot their Misbah, enter Hugh, say up and. As well. That's nice to meet you miss back. She said, no it's merry Harmon and said, okay, thank you this. If she said berry may harming and she Ted me that coaches office, and he had a designer phone obscure you remember back to it had also top of about ten fifteen. Oh, yeah. I do remember that. And chief it you're the seventh man from the company come out here depends here, and she said Paul is upset and he'll be home for lunch. And this was about ten to twenty. So I listen to it and it had steady cone like trying bacon. A few things check and found out. It was a loose screws inside the phone. That's all the head do start. You can be picked up and the cord mood made that scratchy. So I was putting my team when he came home. And you know, these Santana said the coaches yet your phone fix, and I can tell you what he says So he basically says it's about it's about time. Right. Yes. And so he is office and he paid back in the kitchen, and he said did you did? And explain to as he said at six people couldn't find that. And I said. I don't understand it. But it's fixed and they went back office, and you have a play for work. They believe in mayor Harmon to that you're going to say for lunch, ma'am, I shape, but I can't he's over here. She can. So I ended up having lunch with them. And when he got through e even on that just an office, I wouldn't put Mahfouz up and come back in and the made at sit out a case of coca Cola's in the garage and a whole box of potato chip home. I good nece and not there again told me I couldn't take that into having enough having to do it. Hammond Bill kitchen, but I did and keep on their novel. Uncle on the table to sit Paul's. He's gave it to you and us it's been okay. Certainly appreciate she said. The don't till you get down the road. And I said sure we'll Elway talent down late about a mile. They lived in India kneels at that time and open enough, and it was fourteen that's Alabama LSU game. Oh my goodness. And that they Lexus thirty five yards. And from that moment about every two weeks get dispatched to where to have lunch in and that went over the whole season. And there was always tickets. And I and I went to every game that he'll play back to you. And I even went to Notre Dame Rosanne they were played there. It was four couples. I was travel in the motorhome. And if I've already had tickets going, I've just been them to keep them. And it would always say you give them to somebody or you use. And he was just sent a joy that he won't be. But he was so says it to video round. That's my story that David. That's an amazing story. I wish I had known you when I was a newspaper columnist. I would have been a front page piece right there. Hey, thank you very much. Thanks for sharing it great to hear about those good old days, and we are up against a break, Tim Brando in the next hour. The the news about Joe alita. Unofficial, but everyone speculating that he has done as athletic director. We'll be right back.

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The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by capital. One capital. One is reimagining banking offering account with no fees or minimums that can be opened in only five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet, Capital One and a? Cried passion than patterns re of college football lives here. This is no Paul finebaum show. Our to podcast. The second hour has arrived live a lot of news in the first hour, including the NCAA looking at this new transfer policy after pressure and criticism coming from a number of coaches, just when it looks like the NCW doing something, right? They're now reviewing eight is Valentine's Day that has been one of our sub themes of the day. We'll get into the new FPI out with south Walter, and Heather ditch that is coming up shortly the new coach not that do but a second year coach at LSU will Wade coming off of his biggest win on the by you. He'll join us later on crisslow as well. Busy afternoon and early evening here on this Valentine's Day, more of your phone calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five and Vernon is in Kentucky. Hello vernon. Yeah. I I was watching earlier what's his? Watt flag business ain't nobody relieving the white flag up here. And you still there. Yeah. No. I agree. I mean, I've never heard of Kentucky fan give an inch to anyone. So I was a little surprised by that too. Yeah. We have been no wet flyer gap here. I'm just let you know that. And when you had when you have you buddy, wait on their light later just just just mentioned offenses gold tendon to him out. I hear you brother Kentucky fans did not like that. Let's check in with Ed in South Carolina, Ed afternoon. Hey, how you doing a beautiful day down here, man? Glad to hear we needed. It. I know hey, you want a good Valentine store in June. Be fifty seven years fifty seven years. That's. Longtime. I've got three three kids nine grandkids and four through the before great rinky as you know, as fantastic and my wife talks to agree at least two or three thousand week. So I. I asked Ken earlier he'd been married. Forty two years. I've been married a little over twenty seven. What would you? What would you say has been the secret? Well, the steady joke is I have no opinion that standing joke. Yeah. That's a that's a. I think I understand your marriage. Yeah. You any man that has an opinion. Does not have a good marriage. That's why there's nothing that's Louis. But now, basically, I'm what you got married. The love of your life. That's the first have. That's a good point the other thing, I saw falls into place, and you have your ups and all that kind of stuff. But you know, you know. You know? I mean, you've been married. Fifty two years. You have you have to be smart and marry you can't marry for the moment. No. That's right. I don't know. And my wife asked him one of my granddaughters a couple of weeks ago Woz they while they come here. They loved Condor house, call apps either. And she said, well, it's simple said everything just so common serene. Always the same. No changes. You know? It's just very relaxed. Just you just have a great home life. There's something for a no drama marriage. Exactly. Right. There is a sexually exactly it's rotate for seven years. So there you go fifty fifty seven years that is. Gene. It'd be fit seven th that's remarkable. I mean, I listen to everybody's always like, hey, congratulations. You've been married. A week fifty seven years. That's that's thing. Punishing. Now back to talk you basketball. Okay. I of office are for Dr. I mean, it's gonna be a great game Saturday night. And it's gonna be it's gonna be great when they're lose be good. I would I would not let Darci upset anyone. I think Doris is an outlier. I think the man, you know, ever since Kentucky basketball fan and some of your Georgia football fields. Other than a few championships. No, well, we got a terrible. No, call us, the we're over Georgia talking about two or three years, you know. They they some of fans can get over based, you know, like certain people, call your all time. You know what I mean? This took complain about three years ago. Now, you you you can never you gotta get over whatever happens. And that by the way, that is a that's part of life to disappointment is. Exactly. Yeah. Everybody gets bad. Call make us bad break. Thank you. Let and go on. It's going to be a great game Saturday night. You're right. I I mean, I've had some bad breaks in the show. I mean, I've had some callers. So they never call again. She me those were good breaks. Let's go to Pam next in Georgia. Hey, pam. Hey. Hey there. How are you doing happy band towns day? That'd be hope. You're having a good one. Yeah. I am good. I was just going add you things going to battle Georgia from the east considering Kentucky off all them could players. I think it's right now going to be Florida. I really like the the trajectory of that program. Say don't they can taking have another ten win seasons. I think Kentucky has a pretty manageable schedule. Can Kentucky beat the teams that they have to be meaning Florida in Georgia South Carolina in that five year streak. Yeah. I don't see South Carolina. Even though even the will. Muschamp was talking good game. I'm still not sure with South Carolina schedule how they are going to figure into it. But thanks for the call. Bruce is up next in Florida? Bruce, you're on the air. Go right ahead. How you doing Powell happy letter towns? Happy Valentine's Day. Thank you. I want to brag a little bit today. I've been married thirty two years thirty years. Yes, sir. And my mother gave my wife her baby shower when she was born. That's pretty amazing. Yes. Or live right across the field from on. I the way way. Mike, Paul is you gotta know how to say you're sorry. And that you're wrong. You know, that's interesting. I think that is a fairly know I think too many people have to be right about everything. Yes. A year for four hours every day. A little bit. Yes. You may. He was related to go to the World Series. He's fourteen years old baseball camp. It's going to be held in our Roddick rot next to Omaha Nebraska. The can't he's gonna be at. But it was my or he was one of fourteen he was he was one of thirty five kids in our nation pick that is amazing. Yes, sir. I'm I'm so tickled. I love my Gators. I'm a big gator fan. I was going to brag on them. But I'd rather brag on my family. You did. Thank you very much, by the way, we're doing those who are wondering why are we this is just something. We started people are offering their successes and failures of relationships here on Valentine's Day, so far. It's been very are you taking notes, you're you're successful relationship guy. Four years. Are you mad is in New Orleans as we continue. Hey, Matt Paul away yet. Listen, I'm calling to tell you what I love you ask for what you love. I I love the sack. Apple Scofield is taken the southern basketball world, we make people forget about Admiral Farragut. So now, we we gotta do Akpo from Tennessee. We got we got. Well, I was at dog. But he's a great player. Anyway, I also love that my bobble identity Atley got him a Super Bowl ring and Howdy Doody and his little hand puppet. Rogers have even big John. We'll never get us. We've about ring. But anyway, that's a joke because they're wonderful people. But I also wanna tell you that the in that game. I said you all a photo that when the number three shot the ball LSU the ball was on its down with flight when EJ my coming. He put his hair his arm afoot through the rim as the ball was on its down with flay. So they missed the goaltending. Call. Yeah. I mean, I think we there's a lot of opinion that you are correct on that. That's not me. I can never be correct. I I'm thinking I'm photograph photo on the we've asked we asked to tell that in the end, it's not gonna matter. But you're right. So would because if they had if they had reversed the call, then we'd all be call LSU because I'm crying. Anyone else? L LSU has had enough bad calls. Well, anyway, I never bad call this show. I sometime listen to the stuff to the show and the people and sometimes think you're not tough enough with some of these people like the ones who attacked Alabama was Alabama fan for many many years. I still really how much we can't beat them. So I don't like them. But, but hey, you know, be like Kentucky get beat them. Either. We beat them this year, we live with it. That's a great thing for us. But, but you know, the guy from California calls any selling seventy two when Brian integrated the team men and seventy two, and you know, we had shot we had Chisholm who is Representative from Alabama. We have Barbara Jordan. We have all this going on socially, which is why we have a strong conference today because we had that a network within our own people down. They do up there. Look, they just elected in. Etiquette? And then Massachusetts congress a black person of color for the first time in history that states, you know, and I find that to be comical when they're calling us up because some kid, you know, didn't play seventy two they're remembering that, I'm remembering there. I'm proud of them that they finally it knowledged that we're all created equal, brother. But how you been? I have been doing great Matt a missed you. We're we're been man, I got I got the COPD and and other things going on. And I've been. I've been not feeling as well. Okay. I I collect sap because I'm not drinking as much. So she's got me back on the brand diesel. I'm babe and myself, but but. I love the show. I just can't call it. All well, listen, we we love we love having you an amount about to tell you what to drink or not to drink as you live in New Orleans. Well, I want to tell you this you need to get Dino to call in man. That's a really good LSU. Call Dino, these people be, you know, let me say something I'm LS we born Zana LSU fans, but I gravitated in my in my fifteen sixteen to bam and two lane. And I had a pennant on one side was to lane on south Alabama. So when my family attack me I could say, well, you know, we can't win holidays. That's great. But but look I that. No. But that's my prerogative to southeastern. I love you to let me let you go, bro. Hey, you take care of yourself and be well, we're up against a break here on this Thursday. Yes. Lot of guests including Seth Walder in Heather Dinge. They're coming up shortly to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Well, we are back looking forward to talk into Seth Waller from stats and information. Thanks for the time. We just went over the piece here, and I know folks around the country are going there. There goes to finebaum show again just trying to gear everything toward the SEC. But we do that by the way sometimes. But I I really I'm I'm really interested in what you have to say about this because we have nothing to do with these numbers. Give it to us. Yeah. No, of course, accused of the O ESPN SEC bias all day long. But look this is, you know, an objective model that looking at all these all hundreds of thirty teams, judging them and openly. I think the difference here between what the polls do what if TI does the polls are going to react and overreact two wins and losses. But the reality is conflict has have to play each other beat themselves up and what FBI does is adjusting for opponent every single game. And so it it's not really going to have that problem. You can lose to another SEC team. But if at SEC team is really good, then it's not gonna punish you very much for that loss or for that performance. And so ultimately, that's that's the way it hasn't putting ten SEC schools in the top twenty which is what it does. It doesn't even really understand like the bottle itself. What the SEC is just knows if he's collection of teams all plays each other quite a bit. So we know that probably won't it won't end up that way because of the cannibalization, and you you said it doesn't take that in consideration. But if you dispersed these clubs elsewhere would that be a better way of looking at it and trying to understand him because it's hard to understand based on what we know is upcoming. Exactly. Yeah. Just because the schools rank so high they're not going to be add up with a record that justifies it because of that. Yeah. Sure. Like, if we basically put if we gave all ten of these schools were put every school in the whole country. We magically made them play the. Same schedule. We think than we would see that these ten SEC schools would be among the twenty best in the country. It's not it's not reality. But if spread out across the country, they would end up rising to the top. I realize we're looking here at analytics. But of these ten I'm I think we we know how you would react to Alabama in Georgia. But what surprised you the most well, Tennessee, I think that stood out to me. I don't know if you had the same reaction, I looked at that. And I was just sort of dumbfounded for a minute that we have Tennessee at fifteen and so I had to look into it. What's like what's going on that we could possibly think that the volunteers are actually going to be that good? Ultimately comes down a few things. Right. They're bringing back their quarterback. You had a solid year last year. And he's one of ten starters on offense that are returning for Tennessee. Now, I know people are. Probably screaming into the radios right now, which is way what difference? Does it make? If you're bringing players back if they weren't particularly good last season. But we found that even if you aren't if you didn't have a great year if you can return a high percentage of other unit that the experience actually lends itself to improvement. And so we do think Tennessee will make a big step forward it. But look it's surprised me as much of it. I'm sure it a lot of people Seth on the other side after Alabama. I in Georgia. I mean, I think it's pretty predictable Florida LSU schools like that. But, but I'm interested in what she see in in this next here because we're we're trying to find that school that can possibly even though it's not likely deal with Alabama on one side and Georgia on the other. Yeah. I gosh. I mean, it is tricky. And I do I say that I think that it's still Clemson and Alabama are the elite at the very very top. So everybody else that we're talking about including Georgia below them. I think is is going to be talked to challenge. But in the SEC, I do think that LSU is does have maybe a little bit better of a chance. Then you then we might have thought previously. You know? I think they put on a good show for a while last season, but they could probably build on that lottery turning players, obviously, they have no issue recruiting down there in Louisiana. And I think that they this might be the time when they could pose a challenge, I still think that Alabama is the cream of the crop not only in that division. But in the conference as a whole, let me go to what you said a minute ago, the trying to differentiate Alabama Clemson, I mean, we we know the history the last four years, we we know. How two of those games came down to the last few moments. Now, the other two really weren't that close. We also know what's left both schools. I I had how does how did they analytics figure this thing out right now? Yeah, it's really interesting because they're sort of in this situation. Major advantage in terms of like returning production. And obviously they both have quarterbacks who have have a lot of success coming back. But I think at this point a significant factor here is ultimately that title game from last year. I mean, maybe that sounds obvious. But the fact that Clemson won that game and not just wanted but blew out at Alabama really shifted. I think the way that even you know, our model thought about these two teams so ended up thinking at the end of last year after that game that Clemson was solidly better than Alabama. And so that's why that's a big factor. Why it gives Clemson the edge over Alabama? It's not it's not it's not a dramatic difference between the two, but it does think that Clemson is the better team between the two and then there's a big drop off between Alabama had to to Georgia three. And Seth is. I mean, I I mean, we know the number was twenty eight and I don't know how computer thinks so give us your best. Guess. On how that computer looks at this with Alabama being the favourite going in a twenty eight point differential players changing. How does it reach this conclusion? Well, ultimately it coming down. It's looking at basically, Alabama's production over the last four years. They're they're recruiting rankings over the last four years they're bringing back their head coach. And then they're returning players on offense defense and at quarterback into a tongue Lilla older saying, yeah. Twenty eight points better than the average F B S team. So that's, you know, something that is by no means like inconsideration for for title a team like, I don't know Colorado or something like that. And then we're just saying that Clemson is basically like a a half better than that. So out of neutral field, appoint a half better. If the if they were to play in Tuscaloosa, Alabama would be slight favourite, great subset, Walter. We will talk to him anymore. More times ESPN analytics writer, Seth thanks for your time. Always great to have you on. Thanks, paul. You bet. Seth giving us giving you the analytics Heather dinner, which college football playoff reporter for. Yes. PM we'll chat with her for the first time since. Santa Clara, she's up next. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Brought to you by capital on capitol. One wants to build a better Bank one that feels and acts nothing like a typical Bank. It's why they're reimagining banking by offering accounts with no fees or minimums and one of the best savings rates in America. You can open a Capital One account from anywhere in five minutes. That's banking reimagined Capital One. What's in your wallet capital? One NA radio is back with us Heather Dennis joining us to get her reaction to this stunning revelation about the the SEC prowess. I don't think Heather we were were that's apprised that the SEC is in good shape. But certainly this is maybe more than we thought. Let's talk about the top ten in the FBI. Heather did it's joining us right now. Heather great to have you on. Thanks so much for being here. Your reaction to what we are learning and trying to put it all together. Well, I think it shapes up to be another one of those seasons. Paul where it helped the SEC get over some weak non conference strength of schedules. Because when I went through it, and I looked at those SEC teams, and you see a lot of what we're what we're used to you know, maybe one really good game. Georgia play Notre Dame LSU plan, Texas, but there are some other ones where you look at it. And you're like well look at Alabama nothing against Duke. But what's going to really help them? Like it did two years ago is the overall strength of schedule in the SEC. So if the selection committee's rankings, go onto eventually reflect what we're seeing an FBI, which is again, very heavy SEC ranking then that's going to help some of those teams overcome some weaker non conference strength of schedule realizes fourteenth of February. And this will be decided early in December. But you you just brought up something very interesting last year, Alabama schedule. Wasn't great. And there was some concern. Of course, they took the concern out by being undefeated. But give us the concern now with with perhaps even a weaker schedule at least on paper. Well as long as Duke goes on to have a respectable season, which I think they probably will the committee will do that as a respectable power five win. But when you look at their other non conference opponents New Mexico state, southern miss western Carolina, those combined for twelve and two twenty two record last year. So where's that could come into play is if Alabama stumbled once or twice and we saw this two years ago when they were in the debate in the selection committee meeting room with Ohio State was Bama was at Ohio State. I promise you that non conference schedule. I think it was. I think you and I were talking about versa that Europe. That that did right, right. That did come into question. And so I'll Abam a- as good as they are as consistent as they have been. They're not immune to scrutiny, and that's lection committee meeting room. So I just think that that's one of those things that could be a factor if they stumbled, but like you said they didn't do it last year. So it wasn't a cause for concern. But it can be. Of course, a comparison within within the league to Georgia with with with the Notre Dame game is pretty pale as as I'm sure you would agree. Let's look at some of the other schools. Georgia's Notre Dame, what LSU has Texas. So I mean, some of the powers Florida Miami in Florida state, so Alabama is is the one that will stick out there. Among the probably the four biggest contenders. It is. But I also think it's important to see what happens with Notre Dame. That's that's a question because as you know, as we've seen some of these winds are looked really good beginning of the year. And they can also be devalued. So how good will Notre Dame? Be. I think Notre Dame's gonna be pretty darn good. And I think they do to they have a lot to be excited about their one of the top teams of the FBI as well. But that will impact Georgia's schedule and they need to win that game. And they also need Notre Dame to continue to look good. I mean, look at how much Notre Dame impacted Michigan schedule last year and they lost that game. But we continuously said well Michigan's only loss was to Notre Dame in their undefeated. Right. So the Irish somehow continue to impact other people's playoff hopes as well as their own. Let me just give some comparison shopping here on on Alabama and Clemson because of chefs holds a minute ago. How? The the outcome of that game flip flopped. And quite frankly in the eyes of most people the perception has changed at Alabama. No longer comes into this as such a dominant favorite. We haven't spoken to you since the twenty eight point loss your reaction to that. And as you move it forward. Well, I was shocked not that Clemson one, but how they want. And I think that was reflective of the general reaction of people watching that game comes in is obviously very good knew they had a chance. But wow to see them dismantle Alabama. Like that was certainly surprising. And I think coming out of that thought was it's not just album and everybody else right now, it's Alabama and Clemson and everybody else, and if you've got fatigue about that, you're going to have to get over it because it doesn't look like it's changing anytime soon that being said, you know, we are talking about Georgia. There are other teams that can be in the mix. I mean, Oregon is in the top of the FBI. So there could be some changing story lines in college football. I think it was unusually predictable last year. But if you go back to Alabama's schedule you just and you know, this better than anybody. You have no idea if they can really go undefeated again because it's extremely difficult and going back to Clemson that Texas A M game again. Again, that's going to be a big one for them as well. I don't mean to harp on Alabama. But, but I will considering they haven't played a non conference road game since I think it was Penn State in two thousand eleven and they've you know, some of the some of this is bad luck. I'm not going to go through every game. But you know, what I'm talking about? Why do you think they? They take this risk or or do you think they feel like they're they're billet proof because they are Alabama, and they rarely lose. Well, I think they have taken some risks. And I think they have played some pretty tough games online them up. I mean, look at Florida state and how good everybody thought they were going to be the year. They played them with Roussy, Andre Francois. I mean, my goodness how much the perception of that game in those programs have changed since then, obviously. But you know, I also think that the SEC and Greg Sankey and almost every coach that you talk within within league will repeatedly tell you how difficult it is. And the selection committee continues to validate that perception by how many SEC teams they continue to rank every year now whether or not fans, and coaches and everybody else across the country agrees with that. It's hard to dispute what album has done because if we're they've wound up, then the college football playoff era. So I think they have taken some risks. But at the same time can there can their schedule. Will be more challenging probably I mean, look look at what the Pac twelve will tell you. Hey, we play nine league games in the big twelve will tell you we play every single opponent. We know who are true champion is in the the big ten we play nine games. We don't play us. Yes. And look at Notre Dame schedule it is ridiculously difficult this year. And it was last year say what you will about Notre Dame to go undefeated against that schedule. Last year was pretty impressive. I think the fact that Alabama has looked so good against everyone. They've played is what has given them that that leniency. Great show from heatherton. It's many more conversations in the future. Heather thank you for being with us. We really appreciate. Thanks and happy Valentine's Day, Paul every Valentine's Day. Thank you very much. It's great to have you here. And that has been one of our themes, college, football, basketball and Valentine's Day will continue including your calls about this rather special holiday when we come back to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Geico presents unhelpful home improvement. How To's a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills? So today, I'll show you how to cook a serious fall by filling your bathroom with thousands of plastic balls. 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Don't go to bed mad. And number three pick your battles. That's a good one, by the way. And I I think I've got a good sense of humor. Yes, there you do. Try not to go to bed mad and s. Right. And I got a better one. And this is my secret of being married for twenty seven years. Don't ever battle. Okay. Whatever you want great. Yes, ma'am. You wanna move to Montana fantastic. That's right. You to jump you ask how high? Yeah. It's it's just where it's worked really well for me. And in a key isn't I'm sure no my wife's not watching. I don't let her know what you're doing. Okay. That that it were don't let her know. Yours ninety in your head and not even really listening. Well, you know that that's a big problem for people. And I mean this, and you know, what my is that most people just have to it's hard to listen sometimes. And if your spouse wants us to say, something just let them say it. That's right. They done with get it over with. That that was your that was your that was your dad's or your grandfather's recommendations grandfathers, and he was married how long sixty nine when his mother passed away. That's amazing. I mean that is listen this is a this holiday comes under attack sometimes by people. But when you consider. How successful that is. And what that is. That's that's pretty remarkable. That's true. I'm I'm really I really really appreciate that call if you enjoy your show, I watch every day. We'll thank you you'd be. Well, and you have a great holiday. That's that's that's an inspiration. The you pay attention to that Rick from Southern Cal. I'm sure can top that with a even more inspiration on marriage talk. Well, I can't pump the years. All I've got thirty one accounting of by the way, happy Valentine's, they'd all the fine. Mom, I'm bomb pleading callers, but yeah. Thirty one years in counting. Here's my two secrets to it and take it wasn't they want. But. He'll matter what find find a way to be happy eating baby. She's happy about some consigned way to be happy about it. And number two, no matter where I'm at. Now, you can be a miserable place miserable weather miserable comedy by look over my wife. Everything is there. My I'm married at one was low expectations years ago. But you know, what is deported for thirty one years two kids, and I couldn't be happier. Everything the solitary day. I'm grateful that he sanding right there. And then on a mean, so I'm a blood fan. I I wanted to ask you, but I overheard that it's been awhile since I've been in call into travel or did I hear that him for Brett's footed pats? Rigs connections a little fuzzy what what what did you ask again had Jim from friends would and he passed. Yes. He did one of his I can't remember how how how I learned that maybe one of my colleagues back at Birmingham told me, but that did happen. I think it was shortly after Tammy passed away while long couple. The legendary callers fall, I mean. Again. I people newer callers. Hear me say this too often, but you can back it up or he was a hall of fame caller. I mean, he's front row. Absolutely. Absolutely. And as much as much as we all like to bash on them and stuff, but he he's right there. You know, he's got a he's got of a vineyard in the hall of fame as well. And you know, Darryl, and you know, quite a few Larry. And when you go down the list, but you didn't progress with with one of my all time favorites. And I never heard the milk knows before. And he used I think just about every time he calls you, but one of the most negative human beings. But I'm telling you he was. He was he could hold his own against anyone. And I mean, he was just unique. I mean, some callers, unfortunately, Rick, and you know, this, and I'm not naming names. You know, what they're going to say, you know, they're gonna scream, you know, they're going to bad mouth you. I mean, Jim he had a way he's one of the few callers in the history of this show who could get under my skin, even though I knew he was about to get under my skin. But he was he was great. He was very fun to listen to. And I think a lot of hits was the MAC for the post far. No, I ran into him a couple years ago. And I asked him why didn't call and he said the show is terrible. I'm not going to waste time with it anymore. I got a big kick. Did he really he said he he said it laughing? He said, I I'd never miss it. I just have moved on from calling. I mean, he was one of those guys to Rick. He didn't have to announce every time. He was quitting the show. He just quit. Yeah. Exactly. We we've seen of them. Come and go. The listen, man. I I'm not even I had no dog in the hunted him. And I can't wait to the every dribble of that. Bogging speaking, I think, and that's pretty by the call. Thank you because they lost the out. Carolina doesn't have a chance. You know? That's the. Aren't Tetra dig eight thanks for the call. Appreciate it. Greg is an Athens Alabama on the air next. Happy thanksgiving or thanksgiving. Happy Valentine's Day, Paul. I was. What time to eat the Turkey. It's harsh it. Yeah. My my grandparents were married for sixty nine years. And I I don't know why that really gets to me. But that that is so cool. Yeah. He my my grandfather passed away in two thousand and eight and my grandmother actually lives in ninety six he died in two thousand twelve when I had was halfway through school. And I've only been married for eight months, but it's been a wonderful ride. And you know, if you love someone I mean, really love him, then nothing else matters. You know life has its own drama. So I try not to create any extra and it makes it much more bearable and enjoyable when you have someone that you love that you can share it with, you know. Absolutely. Yeah. So a wise man once said better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth, remove all doubt. That is such a great and applicable saying, especially for this program. Yes. And that was the late. Great president ABRAHAM LINCOLN, Abe, Lincoln billboards. Yeah. Yeah. Birthday the other day to he's getting up there. Couple more hours to go on this Valentine's Day technology truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. Let's rats Janet's fangs did she lose that? With a weed whacker? Oh, Sint, wait. No, no, no, no, no proof. Eat so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Go fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.

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"The. Pride passionate men pageantry of college football lives here. This is Paul finebaum show. Our to podcast. Back to the program. It is Wednesday. We're in New York, and we always look ahead. Actually, we look back on momentous Heisman of thence concerning SEC teams two thousand nine when Mark Ingram won the Heisman more about will Greer. Is he going to be in contention? You will. To collar will. What about Mark Mark Ingram from yesteryear? Behalf for the Heisman trustees. We'll be announcing the winner of the two thousand nine Heisman Trophy one of you tonight. We'll be welcomed by our Heisman winners on the stage into the elite Heisman fraternity. From now on your name will be followed by the words Heisman Trophy winner. And so. Here. It is. In the closest race ever the two thousand nine Heisman Trophy awarded to marking. About a little while right now. Sorry. But on. Is a great honor to be a member of the fraternity. I'm just so excited to bring the Bama first Heisman winner. So that was quite in event back then Mark Ingram. It's still hard to believe. But he was the first Heisman winner since. Then Trent Richardson was a finalist, obviously Derrick Henry one. And I think, you know, about you know, who this year. Let's get some calls here at eight five five four to seven to eight five and Rick is next up in. So Cal Rick. What about it? Hey, Paul, thanks for taking my call. Wasn't that Toby Gerhart? What did he finished runner up to two Ingram that year? He may have what is it? Good question. He was playing Viking actually thought it had a pretty decent year. And then it's like he's falling off the face of the earth. I haven't I haven't heard of word about that guy in years. But we know what Ingram's. He's actually at. He said a couple of really good years for the saints. But like Erhard just this appeared man, listen, I want to try to help out of Phyllis I out of sheets getting really riled up over nothing Collins comments, and you know, I talked about this couple of years ago. We disagreed, and we'll continue this 'cause I still think under percents he works for FOX. And again, any team in the big ten that shows a pulse. He jumps on it. Like a fat guy on the cupcake. I mean, he he can't let it go. And so he will start in memory a couple years ago with urban Meyer and Myers the greatest coach. He's he's much better than next saving. And then of course, they get boat raised by high ones. So he jumps off of that starts backpedaling. Like, you know, like a. Olympic swimmer. And now Michigan is the hot team. And so, of course, he's jumped on the hardball, and this all the create controversy. There's no one cell in his body that believes hardball better. Coach are Michigan has any chance whatsoever. Be alabama. But this is all ratings graph. He's trying to get people interested under percent agrees. I believe that. I know you don't. But I'm just telling you that he doesn't feel any of what he's saying. He has to do this as an employee performance who runs a network that. You know words what if it can he has to do this? So that's my opinion on it. And that's never gonna change. Let me offer thing Rick and in college, and I've been friends a long time. I have a hard time believing that calling would do that just to satisfy FOX. I think he's doing it. Because he knows people like Phyllis are out there who are going to go crazy or myself. I mean, but I still think a lot. Lot of it has to do with trying to get the interest in the big ten and making they can them, you know, kind of pumping them up for the playoff. I just don't. I don't think what. So I don't feel whatsoever. Did he did he truly believes that a that a Wisconsin or Michigan or even though how state if they run into the rest of the table have any chance that winning in this in this playoff, regardless of who they played to be quite honest with you. And then as far as the LSU, I totally agree. You had a call or little while ago? I thought LSU defense played fantastic in the game. The hold Alabama the twenty nine points. Couple of those touchdowns were almost gimmes. So I thought they played really really well. I never felt what that anytime that LSU had a shot at winning that game in Alabama went up even nine enough and then the game, but their defense, I thought was really stout. I still think you're one of the best defense in the country and LSU had nothing to hang their hat about. They played a great name. They just didn't have enough. They just don't have enough players right now. And I. With with Ed orange on after the game. He said we just don't stack up to them. And that's that's pretty much what it is. And I think that's what we're going to find the rest of the season across the board. But my brother calls me the Knicks save enough fans because I'm never satisfied. I never I I go from one game to X worrying about the next game. But you know, I mean, you know, now, I think they're going to face the best defense they faced probably all season the Mississippi State. That's just kind of my thinking. But again, I thought I today LSU callers that everybody's coming on and pounding on those guys. I mean, they're just supporting their team they had confidence in that game. But it just didn't work out. They just don't have enough yet. But you get on time. He's gonna he's gonna feel that program and he's got and I'm on offense of Weimin coming in that guys. Unbelievable. So I think the future's bright for them. Anyway, thanks for taking my call. Just wanna get that out there. Let's stay in California. We go a little bit north of where you are in Long Beach Payton is on the air right ahead. Five from on day. Good. Thank you. I heard a. Stephanie. Auburn's raises hell we just good ring with home in regards to. Even corner with Georgia Alabama. How do you? He he's saying is going to be two thousand twenty five. How do you propose would affect dominant wise with have, you know, just with the scheduling, where's the home of the way an alternate? Instead of pulling. Pullman up to do, but you can do anything with the schedule. I mean, like the big twelve is played around with schedules. They have the bedlam this week it used to be thanksgiving weekend. So I'm not no. Is this already been agreed upon or is this proposal third of that is all I'm on scout dot com reading permits from Murphy, positive the painting. So it may or may not have I don't think it will change. Thanks for the call, by the way, it's better than it used to be for Auburn auburn's last three conference games before divisional play went into effect where Florida Georgia and album. That's that's where pad guy named it. Amen Corner to replicate the famous turn it Augusta National when you get down to to the ten th hole, but or the eleven so the bottom line is these things change at some point though, reboot the SEC schedule. I do believe you're going to see a significant move to get better games on the notamment weekend. In fact, next year on the cupcake weekend, which really does damage to the power. Our ratings about not the power ratings of the perception next year. I believe you have AM in Georgia playing that weekend. You'll see better games on that weekend. Because you just can't you can't have all those terrible games. And not have the SEC just get lambasted from one end of the country to the next which will Bobby is up next. Oh, you buddy. Bobby? Thank you. Good. Could some of yesterday? You may. Wherever my calling. I was reading the tweets at the bottom of the screen and some guy hit I found like head and three of Hobe. I don't drink. No. You should right and schmo. All money that I put in drinking and smoking you're gonna I send it to the national council side. Live november. It'd be ten years gronkowski council of I just wanted to fit it up. Sometimes for me. Bobby? I can tell you. I don't know how we've been talking to with each other for many many years. I've never never thought. One time you were drinking while you called. Yeah. But chemo got Vasset side effects. But call from Josh from Arizona, he's agreed to we of had trips. Mellano would've got touchdown put on the fan. What made him true? Made him he beat an offer line. But ain't a whole your ball. A Mercedes dealer that you go people that need to worry about what what people have to say about us because Alabama all of them. Football fan is one question. You never have to ask what you think about that. We don't have to do this because for no other too later. But thank you about it. Great to hear from you. We're up against bright mortar, come plenty of guests as well. Trevor madij Walder. They'll hand God over get Kirby. Smart. We'll be with us human Morrow listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. We're glad you're here. Number of guests to come and mentioned, Kirby smart. Joining us tomorrow right before the big Auburn, Georgia game Saturday evening in Athens. James is in Texas, James. Thank you. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Paul. I got a question. I'm an old miss grad. And you know, we have kinda waxed and waned over the twenty first century, and what will it take for omission particular and teams that are in the same boat is what will it take to get ole miss back to where it's competing again with the auburn's LSU's and so forth like that. Well, I was having conversation earlier with Stephen a Smith, and he asked me why is Nick Sabin successful for so much more successful than everyone else. And and I pointed out that. Both Georgia and LSU have made coaching changes in recent years. Longevity doesn't always answer the the problems, but usually help. So the question ole miss will have to make here in a couple of years or maybe sooner do they believe Matt Luke is the long term solution. And do you have an answer for me on that? Well, I really don't think he is because he was a middle of the road offenses line coach and because of his love for ole miss. They promoted into head coach at least to see us through the sanctions. Well, listen, he he got the job because Ross Bjork was going to have a difficult time with those sanctions coming down going out and bringing someone significant end. So yeah, has he done a good job? That's debatable. He's done a serviceable job. They've had some good moments. They've had some really bad moments. And I think the way the season ends is going to. Help set him up for next year one way or the other. But. In the end, you you need consistency. And by the way, Hugh freeze was able to take offer was able to take all miss to a very high level. We know that why was Mississippi State successful. Because Dan Mullen was there for nine years or whatever it was. So you just can't I think the decision in a year or so we'll be the most difficult because they're they're going to have to determine games whether they believe Matt Lucas, the is the answer. And if they don't then they have to come up with a solution. And I don't think it will be an easy. I don't think it would be an easy answer. Yeah. So, you know, we we've got a really I think turn over, you know, every rock and find the right guy to come in. And like, you said to be consistent and know that if we give him what he needs perhaps we can get there your thoughts. You know, it wasn't. I I don't I don't think decision will be made this year because that's not fair you gave you gave the guy job a year ago. But if we're sitting here having this conversation a year from now, something will happen. Thanks for the call Ray is up next. Thank you very much raise up next in Georgia, Ray, go right ahead. I. Yeah. How you doing today? Paul very well. Thank you, Paul basically, I'm calling for a opinion from you Nick Sabin. I will give him credit. You know, being a great coach. And I am a die-hard Georgia fan, and I give Nick Sabin the credit. He deserves the -bility to be able to recruit five star. At least Kirby smart is recruited five star at least. But my my point be just because you recruit five. Star athletes. You still have to have the ability to motivate those athletes and teach those guys and mentor them keep them out of trouble. So and I'm really hoping that Kirby smart can mimic the same thing the same dynasty as Nick Sabin has done in Alabama. Well, he certainly is off to a good star beret as you eloquently pointed out there is much more to it than just recruiting them. You have to develop them, and sometimes you just had to guess correctly on the right player, Texas ya I was talking about talking to MAG Brown. The other day we were on a plane together, and he was going through their collection of quarterbacks that they they missed on for Mansfield on down. But sometimes there are reasons why you do you think maybe the guy you have is going to be the answer, Texas at one point didn't have to recruit they just had to choose Alabama and Georgia are now elevating themselves to a situation much like that Tony is in Georgia, and you are on the air. Tony gerrad. Hello, MS Paul. How are you? We're doing great. Thanks a lot. Well, you know, I admire you and your ability to fathom all these. Folks that call in ranting and raving about you know, but I can't question is mainly you know, you made or they was a comment made. I don't know if you might whoever about saving sucking the air out of college football. Yeah. That was me. Okay. Well, that's that's the thing. I admire about you because you're honest. You know, you seem to be anyway. But don't my question is do you think that it's possible that because of the way he is it could make all these other teams better like Texas made a change Georgia's made a change Tennessee's made a change. Don't you? Yeah. I mean when I'm talking about I made that statement today. I don't remember what one of the shows on. And he my point being. I'm talking about this season. What you're saying is true though, because of the standard of Nick Sabin other programs have to elevate. I've argued and people do not agree with me on this that Sabin has made it easier on one level. You're not you're not expecting to beat him. I heard somebody calling earlier. Hey LSU played a really good game. They lost by twenty nine points at home. That's not considered devastating a cataclysmic loss anymore because it's Nick Sabin. So. This isn't yesteryear. When Alabama LSU are expected to to swap punches like two heavyweight champions. You win you win every other year. Maybe you get on a roll. But, but but you don't go as long as LSU has gone without beating I don't I don't think less miles was fired because he couldn't be Nick Sabin. I think Russ miles was fired because couldn't beat offered. He couldn't beat Florida. Couldn't beat some other schools. Save saving is the least of one's problem. I think right now in the. See? Okay. I was just thinking having you know, which seem like everybody wants to get better. And there's a plateau for you to get reach. So I just figured it. Maybe that might be a better synopsis, you know, for Siping. Thank you for the call. Appreciate it. Yeah. Saving saving does force everyone to elevate their standards. But it also forces you to go, you know, what we're not in the same class. Thanks for the call. Got south Waller is joining us next. We'll get some lyrics on what happened last night and look ahead to the final four weeks of the college football season. We are live on a Wednesday. Stick around. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Wouldn't tracking the domestic bunny? You come to find them hiding under wardrobes next to soaks. Due to some will scarring off what's the fest Nateing about the dust bunny? Is that ov- o- they'll not actually sent the creatures when they have Kyko not only saves people money, but also has ninety seven percents customer satisfaction rating this obvious to them you should switch because Yesler. Switching Geico is a no brainer. No is the dust on his own natural Prentice on the dust on his run along. Welcome back. We're glad you are here. And always our weekly stateful at this hour talking to Seth Walder about the analytics of what we learned last night. And what it means is we move forward. Always great to talk to you. I asked you about LSU Randy was just making reference amended to go about the questionable ranking any any explanation for that? I realize you don't do it. You just you just analyze everything you're talking about the fan having this. My college football playoff ranking. I'm a little more interested in the college football playoff, right? Yeah. I think so, you know, with LSU, I guess, it's. It's funny. I was looking at their numbers. We don't we give them like a two percent chance to make the playoff at this point, which might sound like to too many points to most people. But I suppose that's extraordinarily unlikely. I guess they're just getting respect for the schedule losing Alabama. I guess the committee's thinking, well everyone's gonna lose to Alabama. If they have to play let's get to the real nitty gritty LSU is not a factor. But Michigan and Georgia are many wondering not that many. But some wondering how Michigan ended up where it is head of Georgia any explanation for that. Yeah. I wasn't surprised to see Michigan four. But I do think that there would be a pretty good case to put Georgia. They're at at four spot. Georgia's better enough PI, they're better strength. The record. Their veteran efficiency all those things are narrow margin. So it's not like they're leaps and bounds better than Michigan. I think you could've made a pretty good case. Ultimately, I don't think it makes a huge difference. Because there's not really a scenario you can fi-. Find where the fourth spot in the playoff on selection. Day comes down to Michigan Georgia. Okay. It's the weekly question about Alabama not about how great the are. But what happens if Haley's comet comes around a little bit early this time and Alabama loses one of these games or the SEC championship game. Take your pick. Yeah. I mean, if they lose the SEC championship game to Georgia. We still think they're in a pretty good spot. But there are ways in which they could end up being knocked out. So you brought up their strength of schedule before. And here's the situation if we do kind of the everybody wins out scenario, Clemson Notre Dame, Oklahoma Michigan. They all went out and Georgia beats Alabama. Then you would be looking at basically, I think Alabama in Michigan vying for that last spot Alabama as a twelve and one non champion playoff predict or thinks that Alabama. Would be the team with a better shot to get in the playoff at that point. And it really comes down to this. Michigan would have the better strength of schedule. They would be a conference champion and Alabama would have just you know, they would probably pass the eye test. But it's probably not enough to get them over the hump. It's a question here. I don't think it's a slam dunk either way. And it does definitely depend on how these teams play throughout the rest of the way. But it does give Michigan a little edge over Alabama thinks Alabama probably be out in that scenario. What are the conversation? I keep hearing is if we get a Michigan Notre Dame conversation was Michigan running the table. I'm sure how this works out. But we all know about the head to head. The you think that that game? Which will the day? The the committee comes out which will be fifteen weeks. Earlier will matter as much as what Michigan has done since. Then I think it will matter. But to me, at least if I were just trying to read the tea leaves through the committee. I think the thing that Michigan can do is to win the big ten championship because that would be the thing that Notre Dame doesn't have no matter what Notre Dame's knocking to have a conference championship. And so when you're comparing those two teams, it's an easy way from Michigan sort of counter the loss to Notre Dame. Michigan's got the other things going in its favor, and Scott, it would have the strength of record. It would have the would have the eye test. I think over Notre Dame who's had a lot of close winds. And so if Michigan can win that big ten championship playoff predictor does think in general that if you're talking about a one loss Michigan versa. One loss Notre Dame that it would like Michigan over Notre Dame. Let's talk about couple of other schools, namely, Ohio State. We have forgotten about them. But some people believe we'll see what you think that they could weasel. And I mean, we hear way back into the situation by running the table including a win over Michigan. Look, I think that they're being ranked at number ten that's absolutely fair, given what they've accomplished and how they've played and obviously the loss and not just how they lost. But the way they lost to Purdue that being said, we do give Hieaux state of pretty good chance to make the playoff if it can run the table. And so I think what you're talking about. There. We write in eighty percent range, which seems high. But there are a lot of situations where teams lose and you're still talking about a one loss big ten champion. I do think that the question becomes if we're talking about the sort of the previous scenario that we've talked about where it becomes Michigan verse maybe Alabama as at twelve and one team that we said playoff predictor with like Michigan. I'm not. So sure it would like Ohio State in that situation. Because Ohio State is not pass the eye test into the same way that Michigan does. So the couple of strays here before we wrap up. Syracuse had a really good season under Dino babies, they play Notre Dame next week. What your Cessna them? I was to me that was a real big surprise looking at the rankings last night to put them thirteen. That's not a number that the metric support. So they ranked fortieth and FBI twenty six in strength of record and still neither they they're neither good enough to justify that ranking nor have they accomplished enough to justify that ranking. At least according to our metrics. And to me what it says is that you're looking at what they've done recently. Right. So they they're on a little bit of a win streak. But just imagine if Syracuse play Penn State is kind of the team that I'm looking at. I mean Penn State would be favored no question about it. No matter where that game is played. I think would be favored over Syracuse. That's a team. That's just ranked maybe a bit too high. To me just says the committee is considering consciously or some consciously just sort of your most recent results, and you know, what we're saving for last always f- their number twelve not getting good reviews from the committee, but their fans still think they are the ready issed. And the question now becomes are. They even the best of the group of five teams. Look our numbers say, no, I remember say Fresno state would be the best group of five team. Maybe probably around a field goal favorite. If Fresno state were to play UCF just on a neutral field. And so I think with UCF which we have is by the way under one percent to make the playoff with UCF. Their schedule situation is only getting worse south Florida took a big hit to its reputation obviously with their big loss over the weekend. And that was a game. I think that you see a sort of counting on as being a staple win. If they get that. I I don't think that they see that anymore. You see strength of schedule ranks one hundred twelve now very hard to justify putting them in with that. You know, planning on sleeping tonight that UCF fans coming after you. I'll I know every week. They're such good fans. Anyway, we will see next Wednesday. Thank you as always. Thanks, paul. Great stuff. Some really meaty information there. Trevor managed should a little bit a little bit later in the program. Bill Hancock is normal Wednesday spot Kirby smart to Morrow. We are coming right back to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. On the back. It's been a good one. And certainly a few more guests to come. Let's check out Garnett in Mississippi. Hello going. Darnold, you there. Yes. I'm here. Are you doing go right ahead? You're on the air. Good. I I'm called watch your show all the time. Really? Enjoy your show. Thank you talk a little bit. You welcome. I wanna to talk a little bit about Florida Gators LSU about the quarterback situation that we've had over the past probably dictate I know in Florida since Tim Tibo though, but it's been a struggle. I mean, I think we have that believes to compete with teams like Alabama Georgia. But just have anybody to really get the volatile of the Mona consistent basis. Both have stone defense's, but just just don't have enough. Offenses opus is a five power to keep up with them. Wanna get your take on it? Yeah. I think you're right about that. And it's not going to be fully pay and trash came in. I think it's going to be talking about that yesterday. The projections are concerning Henry, so I think Dan Mullen is at a real. At a real fork in the road right now. He's trying to salvage the season, which you know, if he can beat South Carolina and FSU we probably will. But, but you know, he's not happy. Thank you for the call. Really appreciate the kind words. Let's continue. Speaking of. Florida quarterbacks could've West Virginia where the quarterback of the past and should have been the present resides in a Heisman candidate Duke is up next. Go right ahead to all the first time caller. Thank you very much. You think will go shot the and now or no certainly think he's gonna make it to New York. He would need to to. Flame out not impossible, but unlikely, but I think it's pretty I think it's a pretty remarkable story that will is in contention a really big fan of will and his story. You think it'd be that they'd went out might have shot. Well, he he I don't think he can help him. So I mean, he can help himself I winning out. But as long as Alabama wins in two plays at the level that he's currently playing. I don't think anyone else can win should Alabama lose should heaven forbid to gets hurt. And I say that about any athlete doesn't matter who it is. That would give him an opening. But I think that would he in collar Murray, I think are right now right behind to in terms of contention. Yeah. I think you're probably right. I hate right now. I do vote in the Heisman, and they tell you never do. Release your ballot. I I haven't made a decision yet. But if I had to vote today he would be in my top three. I can promise you that. Okay. Well, thank you very much. All nice talking to you. Thank you very much. Good to hear from you. Fred in Texas on the air. What you say Fred, thanks to take them a coma, man. And I I wanna thank you, man. You made my day. You know that that was that. I just said here watch the previous segment as far as possible playoff possibilities and all the scenario that could happen, and one thing just could you end we you've alluded to it over the past few days, but it really crystallized today. The fact that LSU passes that getting in the college football playoff, I still very much alive and was released it the death of their playoff hopes, greatly exaggerated. Look at Notre Dame at three you look at Michigan four Georgia and believe at five and Joe, and who is it a six, oh you at six they've got some tough games. I wouldn't want to have to play the thirteenth ranked Syracuse ornamental this year the way that. They're playing you play Oklahoma state in West Virginia. Now, what's Jinya? It's a pretty good place in by forgot Michigan. They don't have a clip path. He's gonna play a house stated at last game in Georgia. Well, they've got and I heard I man I I thought Auburn this is the second coming of. What's that brother that plays for the Carolina Panthers quarterback? I hate to say name, but you can go on to say because he hopes to years back. But they've got a pretty good squad. Now in Georgia Tech. You never wanna play that option. So called the fact that she's only failed from three to seven is that factor respect trailer. She and what they've done or is that more factor of they lost Alabama. And nobody can be does. I think it's a lack of really quality teams. I I think what's keeping LSU. There's not only a respectable performance. But a win over Georgia. That's really the the gasoline that has LSU where it is. Now, my ques-. Back to you is this. I think LSU is pretty much a ceiling there. I don't see LSU advancing. I see other teams with it would take just carnage of epic proportion. I think to get LSU up three or four spots because I think they'll be past Ohio State could pass them West Virginia could pass them. Washington. State LSU doesn't have much left. It's going to impress anyone beating Arkansas won't matter beating AM won't matter. It may matter to you. But an EMS of four loss team right now. Well, I think you're right in that. When you look at what has to happen. But then we say we've seen it had. We saw four and seven we first of all in the championship game. Fred going to the playoff. Okay. Let's let's let's let's calm down. Hey guys in the booth. Can you get this clip? I think there's still a chance I'm not going crazy. I'm not saying Lanka San for the playoffs. Reserve your tickets. What I am saying though, is that when you look at the schedule those teams around us they? Yes, you accept a winning. That's about the only insurance question. Why do you want to go to the playoffs and lose again, Alabama? Hard to be the team twenty four of oh, come on. You you got a lot of east coast listeners. Yes, you, but they love you in the east coast, and then the east coast, they won't hate this next step. And so you Eddie they will pay for me to remind people about the patriots beat in the giant. And then losing to the giants. Most people never thought would make the playoffs that year with all the things going on. Alabama in Alabama in LSU played ten times. How many times do you think LSU would win? One. Yeah. Well, good life fund and that one, thanks. That is not far from us. I tell you what let's let's go to Ron next Ron go right ahead. You're on the air. Hey role ties I'll I got site. But you know, I don't think that you know, on the LSU deal. I just don't think that you can get in to start with you know, if you go back and look at at Alabama all through the year this past year. How long has the incomplete defense stayed in the game? I know people are talking about that's the only time all year. You know, it's the, you know, that's the bad thing about it is I mean, we've not played a whole complete game deep into wise. I mean LSU everybody on that way. You know, LSU this LSU that, but you know, the thing about is that they had a hundred seventy three total yards. Okay. Twelve was rushing. And you know, not just their team period. I mean guy and in the rest of them couldn't run on album when when Alabama was the pin ears back. I mean, we've got a rough road to hold the we've got we got this. We've got Mississippi State course, got him at home got over at home. And then we know all. Mcgaughey wasn't right to run. We you're standing pretty much what we all agree with. We'll stipulate that. You're right. Quick break. Two hours ago. We're live in New York.

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