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Lieutenant Watt today show interview with Democratic Senator Ron Wyden about vote by mail some results from the weirdest primary ever and then some headlines but first. Here's the latest. I think we've done well. I think the states have done well. We're all working together. The best thing we can do is get rid of the virus. One set's gone. It's going to pop back like nobody's ever seen before that's my opinion. Yeah super keen to see the world hop back like nobody's ever seen before he appears to think the pandemic is a dented bumper. He must but here's the news. The White House is calling for an eight hundred fifty billion dollar spending package. That's more than what was passed. In the two thousand eight financial crisis the administration also said it supports sending checks to Americans in the next two weeks. We don't know how much but the White House also wouldn't say But we do know that. At least we will all be home to retrieve the mail. They got the idea from several Democratic senators who've been calling for payments of two thousand dollars per month for adults and children under a certain income level in within that plan if the pandemic is still raging in July that number would increase by fifteen hundred dollars more And continue as long as needed. Meanwhile the House repast a pared back version of their paid sick. Leave bill so we were telling you all earlier this week about three bills. This is the second bill And it has a major gaps in terms of making sure. All workers have paid leave but Democrats are saying they're working to fill that gap in a future bill and it. This is the last bit legislative news in response to trump's push for industry bailouts. Democrats are setting conditions for example yesterday. Senator Elizabeth Warren demanded that any bailout package would also have to include a fifteen dollars minimum wage for workers a ban on share buybacks and no dividends or executive bonuses for three years leadership. So it looks like our precious stock market also ended the day up After hearing all that news. Yeah that is good Love to see some response to an economic crisis but what about the pandemic itself? Oh Yes all right. So there are now over six thousand confirmed cases and the official death toll in the. Us has reached one hundred according to a Washington Post analysis. Most of the deaths are people over seventy years old. We'll have more accurate reads on the numbers when we get those tests. The government promised us over a week ago. But that's what we're working with now in New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio says New Yorkers should prepare for the possibility of shelter in place precautions. And that's going to be akin to those in the bay area within the next twenty-four hours Though the governor says the state would have to make that order and isn't considering it at the time so mixed messages abound. There's plenty more happening than that. But we'll keep you posted on the big news as this wild week continues on and now to twenty twenty news. We have results from the first primaries. Hold in the midst of these corona virus lockdowns in restrictions on gatherings voters in Illinois Florida and Arizona still went to the polls while Ohio delayed its elections at the last minute which caused serious confusion for voters and pull workers Gideon. What went down. Yeah what a bizarre time. We live in US as a recording former vice president. Joe Biden one Florida the biggest delegate prize of the night and Illinois in pretty commanding fashion against Senator Bernie Sanders in Arizona is projected to be Biden's way as well so overall binds went to be looking at a growing delegate lead and is in a commanding position to be the Democratic nominee. That's the long and short of it at this point. The given the ongoing pandemic the day in the voting felt muted to say the least with in-person turn out in all the states lower than normal an obvious byproduct of people being concerned about large gatherings and bizarrely. After this. We're not really going to see much more in the way of action in the primary for quite some time with the actual voting days moved and events canceled here was Biden. Speaking in an empty room following his wins. This pandemic has impacted every aspect of our lives and every aspect of this campaign. Most of all my heart goes out to all of those who've lost a loved one to those who've contracted the virus to all the brave Americans who are working harder than ever to help their neighbors but amid all the concerns about people having to physically show up and vote during a global pandemic there has been an increased and more urgent call for universal vote by mail Democratic senators. Ron Wyden Amy. Klobuchar have unveiled legislation. That would allow for all Americans to vote by mail. Twenty five percent of states declare an emergency related to the corona virus at this stage. Forty eight states have declared emergencies. Advocates have long argued that vote by mail increases participation and vote by mail has been growing in popularity in many states but across the country. They're at least sixteen states. That discourage it unless a voter casting their ballots absentee and even in the states where it is in use many of those make it difficult by requiring boaters to proactively request. A mail ballot. Why Global Stars Bill would allocate something like five hundred million of federal funding to states to help them prepare for emergencies like the corona virus? And it comes. After a number of states and territories have had to postpone their primaries due to the pandemic. I spoke with yesterday about his bill and how he's hoping it can calm nerves about the remaining primaries and the general election in November. Here's our conversation recorded by phone at different parts of the country. So bear with us. What's important about this is shouldn't have to give up your health in order to secure your constitutional rights and a great percentage of the people who work the polls. In fact it's sixty percent of poll. Workers are over the age of sixty according to the election assistance commission so we shouldn't be sacrificing their well being in the well being of other voters because we don't have the vote by mail option and the reality is all it is is scaling up. What is already going on in most jurisdictions absentee ballots? I read half the admit. I'm not a regular reader of the Palm Beach Post but I got a clip that even donald trump will be voting by mail in this election and my view is if it's good enough for trump it ought to be good enough for Mitch. Mcconnell and the honest support our bill does it have support from other senator so far. How soon do you think that this could actually make a difference in potentially be path? We have six months essentially before the election in this country has a track record of being able to move really fast when important stakes are on the line in here. We're talking about constitutional rights and that's why I mentioned this is essentially scaling up with already going on most states. Have some version of absentee ballots. They've already cleared out. A lot of the obstacles. Used to be an excuse to get an absentee ballot and then under my legislation we would make five hundred million dollars available to ease the Transition Center. Klobuchar and I are working closely together. And we're going to look at every possible legislative vehicle to make this happen and you look at a situation like what is happening in Ohio and their primary. Do you have concerns about how these primaries are being rearranged sometimes in Alaska minutes fashion like in Ohio in to the corona virus and how that could impact the general election in November. I'm very much concerned about developments. Just today I mean right now. It seems that in a number of state serves practically chaos trying to figure out how to deal with an election in the face of the corona virus. The governor of Ohio today unilaterally postponed their election. And it certainly unclear what happens next now. According to the Chicago Tribune the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners. Ask the governor to move to an all male election but the governor Declined there so you've got a lot of moving parts. I do think that we're seeing. Maryland moved their primary June sub for the special election for congressman coming seat. Now it's going to be an all vote by mail elections and some people might ask when they read about this or they listen to people talking about this. What has actually been the impediment to vote by mail in some places. It sort of seems only natural. That people should have the opportunity to do that. Well I consider this to just be common sense. The nation's first male in United States senator one time in our state it was partisan between the Democrats and Republicans than voters basically said. Look this just common sense. And they said we like the convenience we know it saves money. We have strict rules to protect the integrity of the ballots. And it seems to me that what's going on right now. States are basically choosing between vote by mail or not holding elections and I think this is just common sense. And that's when I'm arguing in the case I make to my colleagues in your opinion should any more stay hold in person voting at this point in the next few weeks. Well what what I've said is. I want to make it possible for us to have an option that is safe and secures people's Constitutional Rights we've been hearing about all of the recommendations by healthcare professionals about the risks and it seems to me that what the Senate should do is say we're not going to let government flounder during this crisis. The government particularly the federal government ought to ensure that democracy can go on give the states and local communities the tools to vote by mail. And that's the fastest. Most cost effective way to do it in a public health crisis. And so are we looking at a potential scenario in November of the entire country having the ability to vote by mail and the possibility of perhaps a majority of the country taking that option that that is essentially our scenario. That's what I and Senator Clova Char Sane in our efforts is we basically want to make sure that everybody has this option in my first proposal. And I've been working on this for well over a decade. You know what we said is hey look twenty. Five percent of the state declare corona virus emergency. Then everybody in the country could Be Able to vote by Mail I. It's pretty clear that a great many communities are going to be declaring corona virus. Emergency that was Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon yesterday. Also the DNC voiced. Its support for Moore. Vote by mail and warned that under its current rules states that delay their primaries past. June ninth could lose up to fifty percent of their delegates the DNC's also reportedly looking at ways to adjust delegate selection given the corona virus pandemic plus one more piece of election news before we go. It appears that Marie Newman has defeated Democratic incumbent. Dan Lipinski in the primary. For Illinois's Third District Lipinski was one of the last remaining anti abortion. Democrats in the House. And now he's lost his job How's IT hanging Wad squad? You know as the lockdown lifestyle setting in. We're checking in with each other to make sure things are feeling easy. Breezy sound good. All Right Gideon. Did you cross anything off your to do list that you're really proud of honestly I got groceries in sort of a frenzied way which was good and late but a good thing to do for sure how. `Bout you do you have your skills report back with? Oh for sure so I decided I'm gonNA spend this break learning languages and musical instruments so far. I've learned a couple of songs on piano. I've learned a few chords. We got D minor on top of the D. CORDS. You're out here killing it Yeah I feel good about it. I feel like I could start a ban by the envelopes. We should actually be there next step. I like it all right and this was life. During lockdown we are still accepting new names for the segment but we hope this felt like calling an old friend and catching up for a hot second so relaxed. It's GONNA be alright. Let's wrap up with some headlines head aligns Prime Minister of Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu authorized measure to begin tracking the cell phone location data of millions of Israeli residents to combat the spread of the corona virus. The goal is to monitor. Who's been close to someone known to have the virus and to send them a direct text isolate themselves in classic. Bb fashion the measure was passed in a shady way without holding a vote or getting the parliament's approval critics say the new measure is a major invasion of individual privacy and sets a dangerous precedent for government tracking United States. Though might not be far behind on this exciting new trend. The Washington Post reported that our government is in talks with major tech companies to monitor the location data of American cell phones. To aid. Virus containment. Very cool move but you don't need advanced technology to track me. I am always on the couch in my studio apartment. Former Republican congressman from California Duncan. Hunter has been sentenced to eleven months in federal prison. This comes after hunter admitted to stealing over two hundred fifty thousand dollars in campaign funds for personal expenses including but not limited to parties in DC shopping spree for his wife and we can get away with his mistress. His life was a perverted adult. Man's version of blank check He's the second congressman to be sentenced to federal prison this year. The other one being Republican Representative Chris Collins from New York both were reelected while they were indicted. A Democrat and a Republican are currently fighting for hunter seat representing one of the solidly. Red Districts in California blame check was a pretty sick movie so good. Tom Brady announced that he's leaving. New England Patriots on Tuesday marking what Boston residents will refer to from now. On as the Saint Patrick's Day of one thousand Tears Brady spent twenty years with the Patriots. And let them to six super bowl victories. His bosses took his departure well. Enough with PATS. Owner Robert Kraft and coach bill check wishing him good luck and applauding his contributions to the team. He set to join the Tampa Bay. Buccaneers barring unforeseen circumstances moving to Florida plus having a foreign born model wife any very specific diet could complete Tom's transformation into football trump ooh The pandemic may have already lasted a thousand years in our minds but some people are just finding out about it. The current contestants of Germany's big brother got cut off from the outside world last month when there were just a handful of confirmed cases of cove in Nineteen in Europe before they got the update last night on live. Tv They were still living. In a world of blissful ignorance where exposure was good and hand. Sanitizer flowed like water. Jared LETO also found out about Corona virus yesterday after twelve days of silent meditation in the desert. That's what he said online at least though this could be just another devilish prank to help him get into character as the joker in NPR polls show just about fifty six percent of Americans believe. Corona virus is a real threat. The results were divided along party. Lines with seventy six percent of Democrats considering the danger of Corona virus to be real compared to forty percent of Republicans spread the world. It's real it's rea- yes listen to Wad come on and those are the headlines. Sherm extreme subscribed the review. Send us a funny postcard until your friends. So listen and if you're into reading and not just expiration dates on yogurt like mean. What did they is? Also a nightly newsletter check it out and subscribe cricket dot com slash. Subscribe Ign Akilah Hughes. I'm Gideon Resnick. Stream like Jack on Amazon. Prime it's time press ought to watch that movie of Erica. As that water slide at the center of the House. What a day is a product of crooked media it's recorded and mixed by Charlotte Landis selling a ton is our assistant producer or head writer. Is John Milstein? Senior producer is Katie log. Our Theme Music is by Colin Gilead. And his shock.
Morning Brief for Tuesday, August 6th
"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Ed indeed dot com slash w. j. That's indeed dot com slash w. s. j. I'm anne marie for totally in the newsroom at the wall street. Journal trade tensions wins between the u._s. and china led to one of the worst days of the year for u._s. Stocks with the dow falling two point nine percent one of its biggest decline since december the drop came after the chinese yuan fell to a critical level below seven per dollar and hit an all-time low in offshore trading local officials blamed u._s. threats threats to impose new tariffs president trump in turn accused china of manipulating. It's currency oil futures also saw another decline on monday on ongoing trade tensions west texas intermediate crude for september delivery was down ninety seven cents or one point seven percent to fifty four dollars and sixty nine cents on the new york mercantile exchange the global benchmark october brent crude declined slightly to fifty nine dollars eighty one cents a barrel oregon senator ron wyden in has sent a letter to amazon c._e._o. Jeff bezos asking for details about the security of the companies cloud service. The letter comes after capital. One reported that a hacker had access the personal information of one hundred six million credit card customers applicants authorities say the alleged hacker a former amazon web services employees. He broke through a firewall to access customer data stored on amazon's cloud service for more details head to wsj.com or the w._s._j. App indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com slash higher.
Why nonprofits are wary about a private firm buying the dot-org domain
"The private equity firm wants to buy the DOT org domain. Why that has nonprofits freaked out about the future from American public media? Yeah this is marketplace tech demystify digital economy. I'm Ali would. Okay stay with me. This one's a little tricky right now. Registrations for websites that use dot. Org like marketplace are overseen by a nonprofit organization called the Internet society but in November the Internet society suddenly announced that it would sell control of those registrations to a one year old private equity firm called Ethos capital for one point one billion dollars and that made people worry about the future of nonprofits nonprofits online possible interference with speech maybe big price hikes and so then a group of Internet. Pioneers proposed an all new nonprofit that group to run DOT. Org and overseeing all of this is I can the Internet corporation for assigned names and numbers which can approve or or reject. The sale and McLaughlin helped found I can and create the original dot org registration process. I asked him what is a worst case scenario L. for an organization using dot org. So you know if you're let's say the ACLU. I I'm just using them randomly. 'cause I don't know they're a politically prominent to dot dot org you're getting your email through. ACLU DOT Org. Let's suppose you're taking donations Through your website at Aclu Dot Org. If you suddenly lose that domain name. Your Organization is at least temporarily pretty crippled. That's the kind of thing that we should be protecting against the kind of negative implication. Shen of an untrustworthy administrator. And so the question of whether the dot org registries vulnerable to being taken over by somebody who doesn't have those interests in mind or wants to use them him. Further political or economic other purposes is quite a serious issue and I wanted to say could they also just charge more. Yeah I mean candidly handedly. That's the least of my concerns. I mean like there is in fact a marketplace for domain names and the difference between nine dollars a year and twelve dollars a year even twenty dollars. A year is to me. That's not the top issue. I know the people talk about that. But price increases I think is less important to the noncommercial community at least to my understanding of their interests than fears about losing to May names based on you know acts of speech. Let's say but my point though. Is that the policy. Should be made through a process process that is capable of understanding and then vindicating the interests of the community to be served a private company make some short term commitments But you don't and what's GonNa Happen in the future so it's really what's really the concern here is that this is a one year old private equity firm. You're worried about the trustworthiness of of really any unproven group. nope well there's two functions to keep in mind here. One is the setting of policies and the other is the technical operations of the registry. What seems to be happening in this transaction one is that we are eliminating the organization that used to be the policy overseer from policy oversight and then entrusting all of that function to this new organization? TATION which will both substitute for that policy oversight and also operate the registry as a technical matter. That's the real concern is that there's no mechanism that that I view as trustworthy whereby the kind of like broad interests instability and insulation from political interference and so forth can be achieved that's Andrew McLaughlin. One of the original members of I can and I can't hold us. It would decide whether to approve the sale of dot org by February seventeenth and now for some related links we asked ethos capital for a statement and the company said it plans to keep the same team in place to manage the dot org domain going forward it also said it would make pricing guidelines for dot org available and commit to them as has part of the sale eat those also said it is committed to freedom of expression upholding human rights and free speech on the DOT org domain. You can read more about the proposed sale in a blog post by the Internet society. That is at our website marketplace tech DOT ORG and it statement to us. I can't also said that it would not seek any public comment about the proposed acquisition between now and February seventeenth. But that I can is quote well L. Aware of the public opinions that have been expressed. There's an interesting read up on this whole thing register from Tuesday. Apparently I can put up. Details tells last week about its annual meetings coming up in La later this week but didn't mention anything about the dot org discussion or sale despite it being one of the foundational domains on the Internet. Msa Day I can get a letter from several members of Congress including the Internet. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon Oregon and Presidential Hopeful Elizabeth Warren highlighting concerns about the sale. So listen this might be complicated and even slightly arcane. But I'll tell you what it it ain't over. I'm Hollywood and that's marketplace tech. This is a P._M..
Facebook Recruits Surveillance Hawk To Be Its Top Lawyer
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from CFA society, Washington DC, you've worked hard to grow your wealth. Make sure you're working with a wealth manager who has grown with you work with a CF HR holder. Learn more at the right question dot org. Facebook has recruited a surveillance hawk to be its next top lawyer, she helped craft the Patriot Act that was the controversial law that ushered in a new era of government surveillance of citizens privacy advocates who follow Facebook closely are baffled by this. But as NPR's earthy Shahani reports the new hire could help the company improve relations with another set of critics. There's no need to point out. The Jennifer Newstead went to Harvard undergrad yellow right after of course, she did. In addition to her pristine pedigree. She is a lean woman descended from three generations of leaning in. Her grandmother was a doctor. My mother has spent her medical career pioneering new technologies to diagnose cancer in women. That was new in late twenty seventeen before the Senate, President Trump nominated her to be top lawyer for the State Department, the first woman in that position very little about her legal philosophy came out the confirmation hearing, though, she did make clear she is a staunch supporter of executive power. Asked if it would be okay in theory for the president to attack North Korea. Even if they didn't attack us, and even if congress did not authorize use of military force Newstead said in essence. Yes. Preemptive strikes are okay, it, it's my view that the law generally provides the president may act to defend the United States New studies now changing bosses leaving Trump for Mark Zuckerberg. She leaves the State Department with a wealth of contacts around the world that should prove useful for Facebook. Who's users are mostly outside? The US new staff is also uniquely qualified to help Facebook with privacy. Specifically pushing the limits of law to dismantle privacy. You could say she's really one of the legal architects of our modern digital master Valence society. Timothy Edgar came to know Newstead years ago after the terrorist attacks of September eleventh two thousand one he was an advocate at the American Civil Liberties union, she was at the Justice department Jenner. For Newstead was, you know, one of the smartest lawyers that you could imagine in a very elite group her group was the nerve center of America's post nine eleven legal architect ING, they laid the groundwork for the government to collect mass data telephone records internet, meta data and to search without consent. In terrorism cases were now in a new era where surveillance is conducted by companies Facebook is under immense scrutiny. Just yesterday. Senator Ron Wyden sent a letter urging regulators to hold CEO Zuckerberg individually accountable or his flagrant repeated violations of Americans privacy will continue. Tim Wu figured Facebook would hire someone who was the opposite of new stud little shock to taken aback. Lou a law professor at Columbia University wants met the incoming Facebook lawyer at a party, they'd both clerked for supreme court Justice, Steven Brier. And he was the host will is a privacy advocate. He says. Facebook needs to clean up its reputation proved a users the company wants to protect them by bringing in a Patriot Act architect to connect the dots and say, well, she did surveillance for for for the federal government. Now, she's taking over surveillance Facebook that said he does have an educated guess about why the higher make sense to deal with governmental pressure. Yes. Governments criticized Facebook for privacy violations. But they also knock on Facebook store when they want user data to investigate. For example, terrorists are activists. Government requests have grown steadily each year. Woo worries that Jennifer Newstead will turn users into bargaining chips to help Facebook curry political favor. I can't say I look forward to Facebook cooperating with government. That's one of the things I've always been concerned with Facebook's announcement chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg praised the new hire for her global perspective and made no mention. Of the surveillance expertise artificial Honey NPR news. This message comes from NPR sponsor snowflake. The only data warehouse built for the cloud unlock. Deep data insights with the instantly scalable, cloud built data warehouse. Start your journey towards data driven decision. Making it snowflake dot com slash NPR.
AP Headline News Oct 17 2018 15:00 (EDT)
"The. AT radio news. I'm Tim McGuire. President Trump is urging patients while Saudi Arabia says, it's investigating the disappearance of Saudi journalists and critic Jamal kashogi went to Shoghi when missing two weeks ago, the president threatened do punish the Saudis since then he's noted their denials about his disappearance and says, they must have time to investigate political cover for a key ally. And that giving cover saying he wants to find out what happened and has asked Turkey for recordings related to kashogi alleged killing. Amid the investigation mini Stana list. Stafa Oculus says, there's no need are called right hand and says the burdens on them to prove otherwise saga megani at the White House, Louisiana Republican Senator. John Kennedy says, there's that much question about what happened to kashogi aliens abducted him. I don't think he failed through hole in the space time continuum. I think he's dead and I think the salt. Kilty. Despite that Kennedy says the US has to maintain relations with both Saudi Arabia and Turkey because they're key players in the Middle East, a man convicted of setting fire to a south Texas mosque. Last year's been sentenced to more than twenty four years in federal prison. Jury convicted, Mark Vincent Perez in July on federal arson, explosives and hate crime charges. The fire destroyed his lung center. In Victoria, Texas investigators, say Peres planned to terrorise Muslims along the middle, Texas Gulf Coast. Federal prosecutors, say a fine art consultant in New York and an interior designer in Florida stolen elderly woman's identity using it to bid millions of dollars on famous paintings in defraud, Sotheby's auction house. The pair were found out when the Representative call the woman. After they bought two paintings, she told them she didn't know anything about the purchases. This is a p. radio news. Pot, sales are legal in Canada had a store in Saint John's Newfoundland pictures were taken. So here we go. All I made history. Come to Cava and enjoy kind of one of the first in line in Saint. John's was Ian power who calls himself a. Stupid stone power says he won't smoke the marijuana. He bought, he will frame it. Jackson McClain says, selling pot is like the end of prohibition for alcohol. Just something that you want to be able to tell your kids that you were there for this moment because it's going to be in history. Nine states in the US have legalized recreational use of pot. Oregon Senator Ron Wyden says it's time for the US government to follow Canada's lead. I'm Ed Donahue, part-time shoe shiner who gave more than two hundred thousand dollars to a Pittsburgh children's hospital has died seventy six year old. Albert Lee digestion Alexi digest today for more than thirty years. He's trying shoes at children's hospital every Tuesday and Thursday. I'm Tim Maguire radio news.
2-13-20 What's News
"It's time for New Coal Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive voices network. A sentencing recommendation changed by the Department of Justice in the case of Roger Stone prompted all four prosecutors on the case to withdraw one of them leaving government service altogether and of course trump had to weigh in on twitter beginning with his attacks on the sentence that immediately preceded the change continuing into the night and beginning again early. Wednesday morning attacking the judge and praising attorney. General William Bar for the Change Senate. Democrats have called on barter. Resign or face impeachment. The House Judiciary Committee announced that the Attorney General has agreed to testify on March. Thirty first about quote the misuse of our criminal justice system for political purposes. While I'll believe it when I see it and why do we have to wait six weeks to get testimony from the Attorney General? Just a question next. Stop Nevada for the primary race where Democrats will debate on. Wednesday ahead of their caucuses next Saturday in the wake of the Iowa Debacle Iowa Democratic Party Chairman Troy Price has resigned. The Iowa Democratic Party will soon begin. Partial re canvass voting precincts flagged as having potentially inaccurate results if there are no major discrepancies found. The Party will declare Pete. Buddha judge the winner followed very closely by Bernie Sanders who actually won the popular vote. Meanwhile Democratic candidate Michael Bloomberg who is not on the ballot in Iowa or New Hampshire is facing a backlash for a two thousand fifteen video in which he uses racially charged language to praise. New York. City's controversial stop and Frisk Policy Bloomberg said the comments do not reflect his thinking now or how he led his mayor. Sure and on Thursday morning. More video surfaced this time of Bloomberg in two thousand eight blaming the financial crisis on the end of the discriminatory practice of redlining all started back when there was a lot of pressure on banks to make loans to everyone Redlining if you remember was the term where banks took whole neighborhoods and said people in these neighborhoods poor the not going to be able to pay off their mortgage is tell them what your salesman. Don't go into those areas and then. Congress got involved as local elected officials as well and said Oh. That's not fair. These people should be able to get credit and once you started pushing in that direction. Banks started making more and more loans where the credit of the person buying. The house wasn't as good as you would like. Yeah that's problematic. Msnbc's Mika Brzezinski reported with a straight face the Bloomberg campaigns attempt to explain those comments away. Bloomberg's presidential campaign has refuted the context of the conversation claiming that he was instead quote saying that something bad. The financial crisis followed something. Good which is the fight against redlining that he was part of as mayor. The campaign said that Bloomberg was attacking predatory lending alrighty then treasury secretary. Steve mnuchin testified Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee. He was grilled by Oregon. Senator Ron WYDEN ABOUT WHY? Treasury gave Senate Republicans potentially damaging financial information related to former vice president. Joe Biden Son Hunter but blocked request from Democrats for Donald Trump's tax returns. I want to start with what I think is a clear double standard. With respect to responding to requests on Congressional oversight. The request from the Democratic Chair with a firm legal basis was met with with nothing but legal foot-dragging the request came from the Republican chairs got VIP treatment. They got a response out the door in a flash so it looks to me like there's a double standard here that you all are tipping the scales of Congressional oversight. What am I missing Mister Secretary the House? Disclosure of tax returns is subject to protection twenty-six. Usc Sixty one zero three. Which up on the advice of counsel as we've documented we had significant concerns. That's very different than I believe what? You're referring to as SARS requests which on a bipartisan basis. We have responded to thousands of SARS requests to the committees from both Republicans and Democrats on an equal basis. So as we said Treasury does not processed congressional carry your stonewalling parties about stonewalling. And they're not all standard to committee chairs. One gets no response with legal authority. That's the Democrat. The Republican gets a quick response. Then Senator Sherrod Brown attempted to get Mnuchin to explain why the nomination of former US Attorney Jesse Lou Treasury Department post was abruptly pulled on Tuesday just two days before. She was scheduled to testify before. The Senate got word last night to Jesse. Liu who is for whom with whom we're going to do a hearing in banking for her nomination She was inexplicably suddenly withdrawn by the nomination by the president last night. When did you learn? The president was withdrawing the under secretary of your department. I I believe it was Two days ago two days ago can you tell me why are nomination was withdrawn? I think you know. Nominations are at the president's direction and we don't comment when nominations as a matter of policy when combinations are withdrawn which happened for variety of different reasons at different times. Why that's done so you don't have any now any opinion or knowledge of why she was withdrawn again. What I've said is as a matter of policy. It's not going to give you a second chance and secretary prior to position. You may know this. Maybe I don't know was the US she was US attorney for the District of Columbia. She was involved in the cases of three of Mr Trump's convicted political operatives. Mr Gates Mr Stone. Mr Flynn absent any plausible explanation for his withdrawal this nomination even though you claim. I hope you know you're more or less under oath. The you you claim to have known it for two days. It appears this is another stop on the president's personal retribution. Tour an attempt to ensure that she did not come before the Banking Committee tomorrow to ensure. Tnt answer under oath questions about those prosecuted prosecutorial decisions when Prosecutors Scaling Back Sentencing Recommendations of Mr. Flynn was senior DOJ officials suddenly intervening yesterday to reverse in make more lenient. The sentencing recommendation of career prosecutors for them withdrew. One of them actually resigned It tells a lot of personal retribution this. Pr TOUR FOR THE WHITE. House is personal. Retribution tour the president's engaged in started with with the prayer breakfast of all places and then then the East Room and then attacks and Colonel Veneman mocking his accent Senator Portman. I work a lot with the Ukrainian community and I'm proud that so many Ukrainians have called America home leaving the Soviet regime and he was serving his country. The president box him. The the unannounced surprise unexplored unexplained withdrawal. Jessie Liu and I would hope you would give an explanation. That's that's the one that the counter to the one that everyone assumes and that is that the president is. She's part of the president's personal retribution tour so I'm hopeful that it even riskier later you will help us in tolls the real reason well speaking of the Senate. They're set to pass a bipartisan resolution to block Donald Trump's ability to take military action against Iran on Thursday after voting fifty one to forty five with eight Republicans joining with the Democrats on Wednesday to bring the measure to the floor. Those eight in case. You're counting are senators. Mike Lee Rand Paul. Susan Collins Taught Young Jerry Moran Lamar Alexander Bill Cassidy and Lisa Murkowski trump suggested. The resolution was merely an effort by Democrats quote to embarrass the Republican Party. Right Remember Marie Yvonna. Vich the former. Us Ambassador to Ukraine who was smeared by Donald trump during the impeachment inquiry. Well on Wednesday. She received the trainer award at Georgetown University for. Excellence in diplomacy a word. The president obviously doesn't understand and accepting the award. Ivanovich deplored the decline of US diplomatic and moral leadership in another sign of the growing financial crisis in print journalism mcclatchy. The owner of thirty newspapers including the Miami Herald Kansas City Star Sacramento Bee and others has filed for chapter eleven bankruptcy protection. Mcclatchy said it plans to stay in business and emerged from bankruptcy in the next few months a former captain of the Ohio State University wrestling team told members of the Ohio House Civil Justice Committee that Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio was not only aware of allegations of sexual abuse that took place at the university in the nineteen eighties and nineties but that he begged others to cover up his involvement and finally and finally the catastrophic deepwater horizon oil spill that ravaged the Gulf of Mexico in two thousand ten was actually about thirty percent bigger than originally thought this according to a new study researchers say layers of quote invisible and toxic oil that weren't detectable by satellites made the spill much worse than it appeared. This oil was discovered using computer. 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Showdown in Portland
"The. As president, trump's poll numbers continue to fall in corona virus cases spike the White House settles on a classic law and Order Strategy Ordering Armies of heavily armed federal law enforcement agents to quell the street protests over racial injustice and arrest vandals and demonstrators threatening federal property. The epicenter of this clash is Portland Oregon where protesters have been gathering ever since the death of George Floyd, at the hands of Minneapolis police officers last May. We'll talk to Oregon Democratic. Senator Ron Wyden about why he is determined to stop the trump administration's moves in his city and we'll talk to journalists. Patrick Sims who is on the ground in Portland about what he is seeing there on this episode of skulduggery. Because, people have gotta know whether or not their president's across while I'm not a crook, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostile. My Heart to my destination still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence. Tell me it is not. I did not have sexual relations without him. There will be no lies. We will honor the American people with the Truth and nothing else. A Michael ISIKOFF chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News and I'm Dan Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo News, you know it strikes me that this is a pure case of the duality of America, the to America's. We live in. If you live in one America and you watch Fox. News night. You are seeing images of violence and vandalism in Portland and other cities played up to the hilt. This is the threat that is being conjured up on the right, and if you watch. Or, MSNBC or any of the networks you see the images of these federal agents not identified driving around in vans that are not identified scooping up protesters, arresting them and hauling them off. It's quite a clash of visions about what we are facing in this country right now. I it's split screen. America, but you know it's our job on skulduggery and in the mainstream media more generally to try to determine what reflects reality, right and I think the Fox News vision of. Radical left-wing. TEPA, but you know what does trump with radical left wing fascists, which is what trump is call them is not quite a reflection of what's really going on out there, which isn't to say that there isn't an element of anarchist out there and there. Isn't you know some vandalism that that has taken place in Portland, but you know what trump said was going on in. Portland was like Afghanistan that the violence is at the level of violence in a war that we have been in for like nineteen years, in which thousands of American soldiers have died and. And you know it looked. This is transparently political. It's Richard Nixon on steroids so nine, hundred, sixty eight. He never would have even done anything like this. He certainly did capitalize on the unrest that was taking place for his own political purposes, but he was not threatening to send armies of federal agents into all across America Major American, but as trump is, said only cities run by Democrats bright right if starting in Portland but moving into Chicago. Philadelphia New York City Liberal Democrats. Who He says is to blame for the chaotic America. That exists right now. There's no, there's no getting around the cynicism behind this. Look as we speak. This comes the day after trump has. Vowed to send similar armies of agents into Chicago, not because of the protests, but because of the violence and the and the murders on the streets which have spiked in the last few months. No question about that, but the cynicism is is so transparent, because look you know. The murders in Chicago and some other urban centres have been with us for some time. In fact, they had gone down until recently. It's only now when the president is looking for some sort of electoral strategy that can bail amount of the whole. He's in that. He's decided he's going to send federal agents in to these cities to combat the violence. Violence and I don't know whether this can work. It seems to me to be so transparent about what he's doing. And also like I mentioned Nixon before. And as we've pointed out on this podcast, there's a significant difference between then, and now which is that Nixon was running for president. The first time in nineteen sixty eight trump is is the incumbent who has been president for almost four years, and there are certainly an argument to be made, and I think some evidence to back this up that the spike in violence in some of these cities is related to the situation with Kovic is related to the fact that because this. Pandemic has gotten so out of control in this country that our economy has tanked, so it's a little bit hard for trump to make the case that he's got that. Go in with federal troops, or at least federal federal agents, because these liberal democratic mayors can't control their cities reasonable questions to be ashes. WHO's really responsible for the violence? Taking place? Well look. We've got two really good guests to talk about this both with a unique insight into what's going on on the ground in Portland so let's just get right to it. Okay. We now have with us the senator from Oregon, Ron? Wyden senator welcomed skulduggery. Hey, good to be with you, guys. It's GonNa. Be Fun and I should point out that the senator and I do go way back several decades. When he was a house member on the John Dingell Investigating Committee. It back in the day that. All sorts of crusading investigations were going on and Senator Wyden was part of them, and then Congressman Wyden was apart of them, and I was covering them. A hair and rugged, good luck. Well, you may have lost the former, but. You still have the ladder, so look a lot of attention on Portland Oregon right now and the confrontation between federal agents and the protesters. What is your best information as we sit here right now? About what the situation is on the streets of Portland what we know when it was confirmed by Donald Trump yesterday in fact I was just walking into an interview and three minutes. Went on the air. He basically said I have on Portland, but now I'm going to go after Chicago and Detroit, and Baltimore, and New York and I. Think it's real clear what he's up to guys in that is. He's Sundanese paramilitary squads in two US cities. He's trying to make it out like everybody in the city is either an anarchist, or is sympathetic to the anarchists, and he really trying to crank up a kind of us against them kind of focus and He thinks it'll be popular with right wing media and in his base, but I just want to get a little clear idea from you about what your information. About what's going on on the streets right now because you know, we have these conflicting reports about S., Homeland Security is saying there is a violence. There's an antique presence. There's threat to federal buildings. You have some of your elected leaders in Oregon, dismissing all that insisting these are all peaceful protests are both sides right here or do you believe that this is largely ginned up by the trump administration, and there is not a threat to federal property in your city. Well let let's focus on the facts I mean. Crime is actually down in. In my home town over the last few weeks, so that is kind of the bottom line, and yes, I don't think there's any question, but the fact that Donald Trump has tried particularly using Chad Wolf who always takes the most inflammatory rhetoric, and then doubles down on it in order to create a fight and let me give you an example because I think you really gotta get down to specific cases a long time. Friend of mind is an ER doctor named Sharon Myron. She's a terrific person, never violent Boehner Body. She's also county. As well, but we know her as the Er doc. In any time, we get together for a barbecue or something like that. Everybody wants to ask or opinion about this kind of complaint or that kind kind of complaint. Couple of nights ago, she was part of the MOM's group that was downtown peacefully, protesting and one of. The trump brigade through a tear gas canister of her and her other fellow protesters, all of whom were not engaged in anything provocative, so those are the kinds of things that were paying attention to, and you've seen the accounts of veterans being beaten up when they just want to ask a question and mom's last night, the moms and dads were basically singing lullabies about not yet shot by by trump's crowd. It seems as if at this point. This president is in a sense acting with impunity, going into the streets of Portland having federal agents go into the streets of Portland and talking about doing it in Chicago. New York Philadelphia, other democratic cities as he puts it so I guess I. I sort of two questions, one is what is your sense of the legal authorities that trump has to do this. Is it clear to you that the federal government does not have jurisdiction to go into these communities particularly when they're making the case that you know in Portland for example, the US court houses, being defaced or other federal properties. And what do you do if you're a mayor in one of these cities and you don't want these this federal presence in your city. What do you do about it? I'll of begin at the beginning there I. DO think it is unconstitutional to do what trump has directed these paramilitary squads two one two. We've got legal action already under way. That we believe will make that point archery General Ellen Rosenbloom has moved in that regard. Three Senator Merkley and He's my colleague in the Oregon. Congressional delegation will be on the floor of the Senate here sometime. In the next few days. We're going to try to add an amendment to something called the end the a national defense authorization act in order to also reunion these federal agencies, but there is no question that no matter what we do. Trump is going to basically kind of stonewall. It's almost like the election. Many of the people that I know are already concerned that when trump loses the. The election I wanNA emphasize when because I believe you will. They're concerned about the fact that he won't even honor a vote of the American people, so we expect that what we're going to have to do is mobilize this Kinda. Grassroots Juggernaut, a peaceful protesters and really expose the wrongfulness of this conduct especially since yesterday. He said I'm going to be taken this nationwide. It was kind of odd because I was literally walking on the show and I was asked. What do you think about? The fact that he is targeting, not just you're sitting, but all these other cities and I said Jay, based on what I heard in home. People were saying instead of targeting attacks on us about the trump administration. Put an attack out on the coronavirus because they aren't. Doing the testing we we need the aren't I'm getting us that protective equipment we need clearly minority communities have not gotten a fair shake in terms of covid nineteen services. He's going to attack something. How `Bout! We attacked the corona virus rather than our citizens and I. Think it shows you. The priorities senator I want to read you from an editorial today in the Oregonian and some of what they had to say, but while state and local officials are right to demand that federal officers stand down, they also must take responsibility for allowing turmoil in downtown Portland's conflict zone to persist as long as it has while the apocalyptic picture described by acting. Secretary Wolf of the belongs in a novel. Novel four blocks in the city scores show the scars of the after hours destruction that has followed weeks of protests and they go on to say that all Portland needs its leaders. The City Council County leaders Portland Area State legislators and the governor to say with a unified voice that protests that devolve into destruction have no place in our city. Do you agree with them I? Have already pointed. Pointed out, Mike that are leading black leaders in the fight against the stomach. Racism have made exactly that point. We're talking about Joanna. Hardesty Ronnie Herndon, these are all names that people in my hometown are very familiar. With Day actually went and had a big press conference a gathering there were law enforcement folks as well, and they made the exact point that you're talking about which is they said? Said vandalism has no place in our city one and number two. They pointed out. The vandalism hurts their movement to end systemic racism. They said these vandals had nothing to do with our effort to deal with to stomach racism and look. Let me make one last point on this. There is no question that in Portland as in all other big cities. We've got some big challenges ahead of us. We have some stuff that needs to be fixed. I spent a big chunk of last week when I was home. Working on various kinds of approaches to reduce tensions on the streets of Portland with healthcare variety of other kinds of approaches, so I don't take a backseat to anybody in terms of condemning violence, and I literally spent a big chunk of last week, trying to advance peaceful nonviolent approaches to reduce tensions on the streets Portland. was there a sandwich that was succeeding at all because from what I read? Merchants and shopkeepers and people who have not been able to do business there because of the protesting and the violence are getting pretty frustrated with the situation. So how what evidence is there that local authorities and leadership there have been able to kind of move beyond this cycle of protests and violence and get onto a a more productive path and. As I said I think we got big challenges. To Ruud L. Systemic Racism we've got advanced peaceful nonviolent approaches. What has happened however is a challenging situation has been dramatically inflamed, needlessly unconstitutional way by the trump forces. So so what's really happened in the last couple of days is the moms and the DADS, and now they're bringing their children or locking arms in their downtown, and they're making it clear that they're interested in peaceful dialogue. Now remember guys. Donald Trump has never been interested ever ever ever in doing the tough. Hard work to deal with big issues like rooting out systemic racism. He likes to get up in the morning looking American Ama-, tough guy, and then he ordered some paramilitary squads to go out and carry out his orders. I'm not telling you. This is a piece of cake here. I just. On my time last week working on these kinds of approaches that will reduce tension in the street, but what I do know is every time I turn around. Donald Trump. and His. Lieutenants have inflame things even more, and it is bringing out more peaceful nonviolent protesters, and at some point. I think with that for if we're going to kind of overwhelm everything. Let me. Just ask one quick. Follow up question just for the benefit of our listeners who don't know Portland. Tell us a little bit about the Portland you know and why? You think it has become such a flashpoint for the trump administration, and for right wing media I mean there is this rich tradition of protests in Portland, but the port. The protests there also seemed to have a little more of an edge that in some. Some of the other American cities where we've seen protests, give us a little bit of that that context for Portland itself well, we, we have always been about free speech. And I think if you look at my record, I'm arguably one of the most pro free speech pro. First Amendment members in the United States Senate. My Dad was a journalist and I think free speech is particularly important. To, the person who doesn't have a political action committee, a out of power doesn't have a lot of clout. You look at black lives. Matter me to part of the reason that they've been able to get their message out is some. Legislative work that I've done with respect to the Internet because they wouldn't have been able to get their message out otherwise, so I think that's our tradition. And then, of course you have far right groups in the Pacific northwest, and they're always looking to try to seize upon any kind of issue, and then try to make it look like a subset of the people that are out on the street are in effect carrying different kind kind of message, and they are stopping these unlawful peaceful protesters. It is kind of intuitive because the far right or the people who are engaging in the questionable conduct that we believe is unlawful. They're. They're busy trying to create a tension with the peaceful protesters, and in effect, the peaceful protesters and the one that's breaking the ones breaking the law center. You Ha-, you and senator. Merkley have an amendment to the defense bill that would require that. Federal officers carry both individual and agency identification on their uniforms and bar them from using unmarked vehicles during arrests, and it would also limit crowd, control, federal property or the immediate area, unless otherwise requested by both the mayor and the governor so just to be clear here. Your objection is to the the failure of these federal agents to wear identification have identification and and my. unmarked. Put into. English the two. Key. Principles behind what we're doing our transparency and accountability because right now. We really don't have any idea what legal authority they're operating under. We look at the identification. If there are any on the uniform, can't figure out who are dealing with. We see the unmarked cars and solve if we wanted to some simple English, what Senator Merkley and I are doing pushing for some accountability and some transparency so just to be clear so if they wear identification if they drive around in mark cars instead of unmarked cars. It would be okay under your amendment for them to. Of course there are other aspects to death I. Mean we're talking about kind of? A FLOOR Of Oversight Transparency and accountability I. Don't think that these of trump forces should be allowed to tear gas. Emergency Room Doc a friend of mine doesn't have a violent bone in her body and everybody goes. That's okay. Look at the video of the that that has been everywhere and seen millions of times he asked the radical question which I might offer up is somewhat. Cough like. He asked. The people the troop on the street. What Constitutional Grounds Authority do you have? For being out here. And then they just started clubbing them, and the picture has been seen nine million times. I'll take my word for it well. Their answer would be were protecting federal property. And I can tell you. Many of my constituents talk about these horrific experiences they're having. With trump's paramilitary operations, quite a distance away from federal building the senator. You talked about what's going on in Portland with federal agents, being unlawful or unconstitutional. There's a DA in Philadelphia. Larry Crasner who has said that if these federal agents come into his city, and if they exceed the law I think in the way that you're talking about, he will go after them criminally charged them and make them face. Face Philadelphia jury. Is that something that you think ought to happen in Portland? I'm not up on what's going on in Philadelphia. What what I know is. We've got an attorney. General who is pursuing us in the courts to United States, senators who are trying to pass a piece of federal legislation, and then frankly I'm using the bully pulpit at every opportunity because I think the Donald Trump's ultimate interest here. Is using this politically. He wants to frame this as an US against them kind of issue and he wants to make it look like the people who are my friends and neighbors who are peacefully protesting. That's not what Portland's all about. Really a bunch of anarchists and then Donald Trump is going to tell people around the country. That's who makes up these cities. It's not just Portland. Chicago Baltimore it's Oakland trump named all the place yesterday. Is Not Mike Not Giving classified secrets? Apparently which I'm always. I'm always trying to get you to. Say having having been isikoff editors for like the last few decades I know that you have never actually given them any classified information and we are frustrated about that I can tell, but I mean. Trump has a political agenda here. Guys mean right. That's ultimately what this is about and by the way if you're getting. shellacked as of today I'm one who. Doesn't take the polls all that seriously. You're getting shellacked today. You're looking to try to find some approaches. That will be a contrast now. I guess if you have such a horrible record. On dealing with the corona virus, which is spiking all over the country. You, say to yourself I'm not sure we can figure out how to get well there. Let's go out and. Tell America that the people in these cities are like them. Don't have their values and their either anarchist sympathetic with the anarchists. Do you think that can succeed at all? Not Not have anything to say about it and I'm I'm spending a decent. Amount of time, doing everything I can, whether it's legislation will be on the floor of the Senate. Tonight procedurally try to advance our legislation. In the defense authorization bill and I'm trying to use every to alight. I have a lot. Of. I. Don't know how much time you spend watching Fox News but If you spent any, you'll see that. Hour after hour night after night they play up the violent aspect of the protests and whatever video they can find. They show it over and over again you at all concerned that those images could break through and work to the president's advantage. I think Mike Political Change. Has always been grassroots up? Not trickle down I mean there's no question for the far-right the distorted images that you just described. They take toll. But the fact is Donald. Trump is still hovering around forty percent. And I've just tweeted. All. I don't know an hour ago. A picture of the peaceful protesters huge crowd singing lullabies last night, dads and moms and families, and it's my job as somebody who represents a really special place with a special tradition. For people having an opportunity to be heard to work to end systemic racism to work for peaceful solutions as I did. Last week and make the lest hance. It's my job to try to push back on some of these distorted. Images of my hometown that are running on far right media I mean that's not rocket science. Donald Trump thinks that what he's doing place too far. Right media plays to his political base and for somebody WHO's in such tremendous political peril, because he has so grotesquely mishandled the corona virus. I think he thinks this is his card. I got a question on another subject as we were talking before. You have access to a lot of classified information because you're on the Senate Intelligence Committee, the Speaker Pelosi congressman, Schiff and others. Others have written a letter expressing concern that one of your colleagues in the Senate senator. Johnson is being used to propagate Russian, disinformation in his investigation into the Ukraine dealings of Hunter Biden. Do you share that concern and is there anything you can tell us about what you know about what Senator Johnson and the Homeland Security Committee is doing that gives rise to those concerns. What I what I can tell you, Mike I, am concerned about one is going on in Senator Johnson's committee, Senator Peters, the ranking Democrat and I. Have sent letters on this point because in the finance. Committee, we see the trump administration making thousands of pages of information available to the Republicans who run the Finance Committee Chairman Grassley and giving US essentially nothing so you bet I'm concerned about it and I think I'm GonNa leave it at that, and then you said you're gonNA. Leave it at that, but you can you say whether you are concerned that? Senator Johnson or any other? Other Republicans is. Can Committee have maybe unintentionally amplified? Russian, disinformation, as part of this I think I'll let Senator Peters was the ranking Democrat over there. Speak on it, but I will say that Apropos of the Finance Committee. We've made request. The Republican majority has made made requests. They have been given thousands and thousands of pages of information to address their concerns. We essentially got nothing. Senator I thanks a lot. We really appreciate you joining us. We hope to have you back. Thank you, thanks, guys. All right joining the PODCAST is Patrick. Sims Portland based freelance journalist who happens to be working on a well-timed book on Authoritarianism in America Patrick Welcome skulduggery. It's good to be here. And I do need to disclose that sims and I have been his since seventh grade and have traveled. The world together competed as journalists and he is a good friend of Yahoo News as well so been gone on that basis. We should just go to. Seventh Grade Stories from pattern? Going to be the awesome. Okay this this is this'll be called. Mutually assured destruction show. We both have stories on each other, so I can do it Otto dump as well all right so sims. I talked to you yesterday. You're living in, Portland you've covered political protests there over the years, so I sent you into the dangerous streets of downtown Portland last night. What did you see? Did it look like the images on Fox News of marauding anarchists and left wing radicals, tearing apart society. What did you say well looked like a explosively larger protests than has been happening in recent weeks, thousands of people as opposed to hundreds before the federal intervention. There are black clad youths sometimes little. Frightening in their appearance, but I didn't see any violence last night. Other than you know throwing firecrackers salon. There's a lot of graffiti, but this isn't a. Very contained early of downtown Portland Three. By two blocks you know the rest of the city's UNEVOLVED in an affected by this, so it doesn't feel like the city under siege as president trump put it recently, and he says the same about other cities of course that they're all being torn apart by violent mobs. Be Characteristic. Seen last night was the huge presence, not black clad anarchists. Their face covered, but The so called mom wall, which is. A brand new attempt to use Crowley the where thousand women last night dressed in yellow or orange. The yellow vast like in we've seen in France and they formed a line between black lives, matter protesters and the federal courthouse to physically shield glass, fat or singer, seeing basically a confrontation between in this case you know the police therapies inside the building that come out, but. Today in previous nights these MOMS who are very peaceful, typically carrying sunflowers in one hand, and they may have a helmet on and goggles against tear gas, but these are not intimidated people. These are mothers, some of them pregnant. Nonviolent they sing children's lullabies as they face off in front of the courthouse, so that has been A. Almost explosive increase in their presence of a different side of this movement. Even I would say to dominate in terms of numbers I would say. The number, the percentage of people who were. Looking, ready to go fighting with their black flags ANTIFA FA t shirts L. is one out of twenty five people or out of fifty people protests. You know there were at least as many you'd see. Something important has a long history of being somebody. Hippie town and protesting see these white-bearded guys obviously have generations experienced doing this and standing low with a sign that just says you know black lives, matter or John Lewis Matters. You know so. This is not the kind of scene that is gonNA make President Trump Cuccia Lear Chad wolf of Homeland Security. Feel like they're justified in cracking down. You know when you're talking about women sunflowers. It's a little hard to oppose that with. You know these trained terrorists units from the US marshals service, coming out with sniper rifles and M four rifles. They've actually toned it down in recent nights because it is so jarring to see this kind of confrontation, emerging I don't know that the president and his team need much justification. To do what they're doing, but that said you mentioned antiques I is there in fact, and in teacup presence in Portland you know there is, there is a you know. There's a group called Rose City Antifa and they have to t shirts since seemed to be, you know they've been in the past previous rallies covered. You went to three years ago. Where all right would march in Portland you see brawling UNC fighting. You would see there have been incidents for example throwing brick, serve or rocks or Different. At police, somebody through you know. The Portland police published these photos online things that were thrown at them and includes apple so. This is hardly warfare in the streets and again you know this is always been a tiny minority presence. There is an anti FA group here. They say their ideology is anti fascist. It's not. You know Communist conspiracy to take over Oregon and I think that they have been you know it expresses the angry. Young and sort of anarchistic people you'll notice also a lot of them are adopting this sort of out of solidarity, dressing in black, and they're not necessarily bomb throwers or throwing anything that again was a very small part of the vibe at the protest last night. You will, who firecrackers sounds a little scary, but this was a peaceful protests that I saw, but some of the protests are and I'm basing this. This entirely on the images that you see on television and on social media, so with that caveat, it does seem like there's somewhat more of an edge in Portland and there has been than in some other American cities, and you mentioned the anarchists clad in black and there is this this term lack block tactics I think it is, and they'll. We've focused a lot on the anonymity of the federal agents and. I'm not you know this is a moral equivalency thing here because there are reasons for federal agents to not be an anonymous, but tell us about these black bloc tactics. They're also trying to be anonymous as well right and trying to confuse the police. Sure you'll see. Again it. It's deliberately Nana so that we don't know exactly who's who were doing. Some people are merely dressed in black and showing up out of solidarity with black lives matters others are you'll see small groups of young men you know setting barriers and trying to pull down offense or getting. into confrontations with police again. This was not last night, but a previous nights. These protests which have now last night was night fifty by one account that I saw. So there have been many nights. you know throwing tear-gas back in the face of the place throwing things at them? There has been violence, but. The scale of the violence. These tactics by black people tend to be a little enter kissed IC in the sense that they're not very organized. Mayor spontaneously react out of anger. You know and contrast that with the number of groups that showed up who were attempting to organize and other ways. You have a mentioned the mom wall, but this is also create you know you see security groups for example volunteers security people trying to organize the crowd protect the edges and prevent traffic coming through soya's become over time. I think it's gone to transition at partly because thousands thousands of people are flooding in now to join this protest in Portland. And are not coming from a black bloc position. They're not coming from those tactics, so I observed a couple years ago when the cowboys were downtown Portland fighting. Yeah, he would see. Just who the proud boys! Proud boys are an all right group which emphasizes street fighting tactics, not guns like some right wing groups that I have been profiling writing about rallies recently, but they do train specifically for street confrontations to do as they say, defend constitutional rights to free speech in protests on so you would see blacklock organizing guest is showing up in throwing things at them into were some pretty nasty brawls. You know with. Non Lethal weapons as protesters would call including you know sticks people throwing objects. You see sometimes again not last night, but. Young men on both the right, and the last of these previous protests war special gloves that have led weights inside the fingers that are specifically for knocking people out so the equivalent of a modern version of brass knuckles. Do see this element of violence is there just think it's become increasingly marginalized as this justice for more popular and attracted a different kind of crowd. What about the behavior of the federal agents? What can you tell us about them about what they're doing? We've seen reports of driving around in unmarked vehicles and rounding people up. How much of that have you been able to verify and just give us a sense of? How menacing these agents are! Well. Officially the reason the federal offices are here to protect federal property like the Marquette feel courthouse or courthouse downtown where a lot of this is occurring, so their mission is. Damage to these buildings. And it has led to typically pretty late in the evening after peaceful protests broke it up last night by eleven o'clock, most people were going to Ed. And then you see the feds, come out and try to clear the streets or detained particular person, and it has been repeatedly documented in video. There's quite a few line that they. Are Using these anonymous rental vans looks like you know. The stereotypical suburban minivan is driving by four guys. Jump out head to toe. Camouflage faces covered. They have on their tactical vests, the word police, but nothing else no identification visible their faces cover goggles, gas masks, helmets gloves. You know you're looking at. They don't look like soldiers. These are from the these particular agents in drafted in from two of the most highly trained tactical units in the Federal Police Forces, which is the. Marshalls IOS Marshall Special Operations, group and the Board Tack Border Tactical Unit. Neither heavy weapons teams that can move in on the worst villains in America if they need to, so it's really kind of surprising. Jump out of a van. Take a protester without saying a word. Put Her in the van they drive around the city to confuse them with their faces covered inside a federal courthouse itself. They tend to go back to the same building. This is strange. There cat-and-mouse game where they grab a few people in every night. They are I, think just trying to carry out that coliseums expressed by. His appointees of quote, unquote, dominating the streets, so it is meant to be intimidating. It looks intimidating and I have to say as someone who covered a lot of. Latin American revolutions and the history of authoritarian governments, their dictatorships. You know that the image of unidentified masked men in uniform stuffing people into car isn't. It reminds me of. This is we haven't reached this point yet? But it reminds me of Argentina in the nineteen seventies Brazil during these military years when. Secret agents were finding identifying opponents and basically kidnapping them, and this is not quite at that point, because they are concealing their identities for stated reasons as police officers, and so on they are using charging sheets and and working through the system, but it is very eerie to see again again. These coordinated operations by heavily equipped, you know tactical combat teams picking up peaceful protesters in the middle of the night to not be seeing again for a while, so pat I. I mean as you mentioned. You have covered authoritarian regimes around the world and also guerrilla insurgencies, fighting against them, and you are writing a book on authoritarianism in America so this I take it. You believe that this is a authoritarian moment in this in this country. What what have you seen full? The some of what you've seen in Portland, but in in your reporting more generally about this moment in America well, I started out a couple of years ago with. Rallies here in Portland that involved groups like that right wing, proud boys, versus Antifa riders, and so on, but I in in the last six or eight months have been looking at beset of conservative or right wing version of these protests, which includes specifically the occupation of the state capital in Lansing Michigan by armed protesters who repeatedly showed up? You know what they call the operation gridlock to protest the lockdown measure as against Corona, and you'd see you know the state capital in Michigan scores, even hundreds of gunmen heavily armed reserve come from the militia movement. And are often part of this very sort of narcotic right wing movement called the Blue Boys, and that's a loose term that refers to people who are not from a traditional right wing militia, but still very obsesses gun, rights and kind of apocalyptic vision of. America as being basically over and on the point of collapse. They're getting ready to survive and live. Use their guns to survive when everything else is falling apart, and it's a very dark vision of where America's Ad and that's coming from right wing elements, I also went to militia rally in Idaho last month with about eight hundred people present including contingents from three different. Prominent militias, the three percenters, the most famous. Camouflage camouflage-clad men with guns who are. Forming up to oppose the federal government opposed. Black Lives Matter Paulo's. All these things that they see as a threat to their. Version of America, so I kinda marinated in the right wing version of these movements, these demonstrations, rallies and I do see an authoritarian urge coming up from the ground there where you see many of these, it's mostly men, although I have seen quite a few women including armed some of these demonstrations, and they really are focused on its vision. You know they're anti-police. Interestingly, enough state health struggled to come terms on the right with the left response here with black lives matter because traditionally allow these militia groups and right wing groups. Were tied to white nationalist causes or traditionally. White! Majority ideas, but now you're seeing some respond to say the death of George Floyd Minneapolis by saying. Hey, we are against police. We are against the federal government. Why are we siding with protesters? And it's created a fascinating schism there within the right wing movement. Hard to say how important this is but I do see a portent fracture. Curry is a lot in the online forums where some of these right wing protesters have attempted to actually joined with left-wing protests, and somebody said it takes Donald Trump to make. Right wing nationalists and left wing. Inner custs unite at the same demonstrations, and that has happened in Minneapolis that has happened in well. Let me. Let me just read this from from this morning's New York Times. This is straight out of Portland among others concerned by the federal crackdown was Joey Gibson a far right activists who has long battled with Portland's. Demonstrators, he said he found that somewhat frightening to see the video of one officer, whacking a navy veteran with a baton, and he worried the trump administration was setting a precedent that would encourage other presidents to embrace a more expansive use federal forces. It is very concerning. Mr Gibson said so as you point out, only donald trump could unite the fascists with the anti-fascists. And that guy. Joey Gibson is the one who started these Portland rightwing rallies here. He's a a a spoke to recently he's. Not The only one who started to ask these questions about why you know decided we on here. Why are we leading federal police takeover cities I? Do think for most people on that right side. They're not thinking it through like that Joey. Gibson and a few others aren't are wondering about the precedent being set and I mentioned three percent militia, which is big, national organization very heavily armed. Of their founders. Has said this is a terrible mistake by Donald. Trump because of this reason because we are setting a precedent because we are. federalizing and creating this over wheeling National Police State they fear, so there's an element there where they they're starting to look the same questions on the left and the right I. Don't think it's going to become a Kumbaya moment where the militias black lives matter marching arm in arm. Look that's fascinating and Al Analysis and although I. Agree with you that it's We're not approaching. A United Frontier Her of the ANTIFA folks and the proud boys, but you know you were talking about how these groups on the far right have this apocalyptic vision and dark vision of where the country is at. It strikes me that many on the left do as well coming from a different place than they do. Share the belief that we are a close to a an authoritarian moment, perhaps a revolutionary moment that these protests could get out of hand, and I'm thinking in particular of what's going to happen a few months down the road with the election where you can see the the ingredients for all sorts of conflicts over the counting of votes. who gets the mail in ballots? What happens to them after their mail in disputed? Election Results and I. Just wonder whether this is everything we've seen so far. Just may be a warm up too far. More violent and menacing conflicts down the road I agree Michael I think that's a very important point. It's very. Clear. We are in a warm up phase. This is a prequel to what's coming and I do feel you see in the militia movement on the left these rehearsals. These are movements coalescing talking about the future. It's not about tonight. It's not about the one case Portman so there is great potential there. We are close to a a flashpoint. A single incident with you know shooting could affect that. I would in my research for my book on Authoritarianism Kika Amac. The single biggest different's on the spectrum of ideas is not one person at the rally. Last night had a gun. That's not what's happening in Portland or these other cities Whereas every conservative right wing rally that I go to heavily armed and is built around the idea that we need these guns now to defend ourselves against overreaching state, so you know the worst weapon I've seen carried by an ANTIFA protester. Portland was brick. and. It's not the case on the right. They are with heavy duty weaponry. Lots of Ammo they go into the state capital in Michigan two hundred rounds of ammunition. What are they expect it? What are they preparing for? Is it just a oppose? They seem a little ridiculous. Sometimes there are silly outfits and dress up leg, but I find it very serious because. You know it could be a shot fired from the left, or from the red could be a police officer could be somebody getting killed easily spark a completely different dynamic well, and and since we're talking about dark visions. APOCALYPTIC SCENARIOS There is the possibility as well if there is you know violence around the election, if we don't have results in the days or even was weeks after the election that Donald Trump decides to deploy. Agents to deal with whatever violence exists and that becomes a combustible part of of the mix, so we try to be sunny and optimistic on skulduggery, don't we? Haven't I haven't heard that. Missed, that episode. Yeah. So, did everybody else, but no, you're. You're perfect for feeding the paranoia of our listeners Patrick. Can their hours? There are optimistic trends here you know I think there is a lesson from Portland at the rest of the country can look at their other things going on, then you know people grabbing bricks. This scene at this rally reminded me most of all Zuccotti Park an occupy. Wall Street lot of young people. Loud discussion a lot into pay a lot of speakers lot of support, so you see in the park in front of the federal courthouse. There's any camp which is feeding people for free. There's the clothing tents guest off there's. Medical support from volunteer medics. I mentioned the MOM's groups. That's forming to provide protection for being. In a fun way, there's now a Conagra movement which is the so-called DADS group which is men who show up at these rallies, carrying small, ghastly powered leaf blowers, and they dress up. Their job is if the feds shoot tear gas. They fired leaf blowers. Blow the smoke back at the COPS. And they used the blast from their Florida's or whisk away the tear gas canisters, and you know there's definitely an effort sort of clowning and trying to keep it light and keep it positive to you. You know whether it's music and so on, and it reminded me of cutty part. My fear is like occupy Wall Street. There may be this loose coalition of people coming together, but what is becoming the end because occupy Wall Street was against a lot of things, but wasn't in my opinion. Able to really build a long term agenda movement at didn't how a specific plan and I think that's what is missing here. These protests against certain things, but what are they for? What is the agenda? Item Ours, actionable here and I don't see that yet. Good Point. Yeah, it's We've heard the phrase defunding the police which was kind of a slogan for a while, but. It's not clear what bat means. Whether there's a specific program behind it and you know and people challenge the protesters on his point. Saying exactly, what are you calling for? You know the the debate. I heard last night. The thing that kept coming up was a question about. Keeping this focused on black lives matter even as an overwhelmingly white crowd shows up in support, even as moms dads Organiz different movements. Are you know different groups show up? Repeatedly. Let's keep this about black last night. Let's keep this about the vulnerability of people of Color in front of police, so there is a tension there about that more narrow and original focus, which is the reason people showed up in the first place to stand in solidarity, black people versus you know a lot of other agendas coming in and in my view to be a political. Political, movement, you have to start building coalitions. You have to start incorporating other people. This was a subject. People kept thirty yelling for the microphone about Hey Patrick people, wearing masks and practicing social distancing yes. I saw striking comparison with these conservative and right-wing rallies have been to I would say at least ninety five percent of people at Mascot, maybe ninety seven or ninety eight percent. I only saw a couple of didn't and again unlike say in Michigan or Idaho at these rallies I went to a lot of standing far apart, so that people some push forward, but few the young people, but I noticed that yeah, you could was pretty easy to keep. Six feet apart from people because everybody's spread out trying to in most cases maintain some of that no surprise there that Portland is you know as a lefty city. Fully engaged masking. All right well fascinating reporting and great analysis and As we get closer to the apocalyptic time. We are worried about that closer to the election. We are going to have you back, so I look forward to it Mike. Thanks to Oregon Senator Ron Wyden and Portland, based freelance journalist and author Patrick Sims for joining us on skulduggery. 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NPR News: 05-29-2020 5AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Louise Schiavone. A third night of violent protests tour through Minneapolis amid rage. Over the death of George Floyd a black man who died in police custody outside a grocery store as a police officer of knelt on his neck. Protesters torched Minneapolis police station. Violence and looting spread to nearby Saint Paul Minnesota where police chief. Paul axetell vowed late yesterday. President Trump tweeted that he might send in the National Guard but twitter flagged and hid. Trump's follow tweet saying he told Minnesota's governor that quote when the looting starts the shooting starts. Twitter said the tweet violated rules about glorifying violence. President trump has signed an executive order to weaken liability protections for social media platforms. Brian Bull of member station K. Lc has more. Trump's order six rollback legal protections for social media companies contained in the nineteen ninety-six communications decency. Act The law was co authored. By Senator Ron Wyden and the Oregon Democrat says. The president wants to punish those who question has misleading or fraudulent claims by undermining the law it protects private businesses right not to have to play host to his lies and that was the value of it provides the tools to make sure that you can moderate content that really just pure lie. Trump's executive order comes after twitter fact checked and tag some of US tweets alleging mail in ballots create voter fraud. Widened states has used vote by mail for more than two decades for NPR news. I'm Brian Bowl in Eugene Oregon in western Iowa a corona virus outbreak at a Tyson pork processing plant. Natalie KREBS OF IOWA. Public radio has details. State officials announced Thursday that five hundred fifty five workers tested positive for the virus at the company. Storm Lake Plant. That's more than one. Fifth of the workforce. I will help official Sarah Riester said. The state was unable to confirm outbreaks sooner because it does not track the place of employment for those who test positive because employers are accessing testing from variety of sources and not relying solely on the State Department isn't aware of all of the testing that is occurring officials. Said I would. Businesses are not required to report widespread employee infection to the state health department and they will only confirm outbreaks when the employment setting is considered a high risk environment for virus transmission for NPR news. I'm Natalie crabs in Des Moines trump administration officials say. The president is considering a proposal to revoke visas of Chinese students. Affiliated with educational institutions in China that are linked to the People's Liberation Army or Chinese intelligence this is NPR news. The head of China's legislature says that a military invasion of the self-ruled Republic of Taiwan is a last resort and peaceful methods are desired. Npr's Emily Fang reports. Tensions between Beijing and Taiwan have ramped up Taiwan's president who Beijing inaccurately accuses of being pro independence has said she will create a mechanism for fleeing Hong Kongers to settle in Taiwan. That could further provoke Beijing's Ire Beijing considers Taiwan part of its territory and during high-level political meetings. This week Lee John True. A top party official called for peaceful reunification if possible but a member of China's top military governance body said today that both military and peaceful methods for retaking. Taiwan should be kept on the table. General needs for trump said that of peaceful reunification methods were exhausted. China's military should take all measures needed. I'm only thing. Npr News. Beijing horse racing's triple crown. Which is on a topsy. Turvy schedule this year. Due to the COVID. Nineteen pandemic will be without an anticipated contender. One of trainer Bob Baffert early favorites for the high profile. Races has injured his ankle after a workout at Santa Anita. Baffoni says a three year. Old Colt Nidal is now out of contention for the series. The horse had been a leader in the pre pandemic run-up to the Kentucky Derby and was expected to run in the Belmont stakes on June twentieth. This year's first run of the triple crown shares fell in Asia Today. Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index dropped point six percent. I'm Louise Schiavone. Npr News Washington.
10-18-18 What's News
"In the news. It's time for new coal Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler dot com. And the progressive voices network secretary of state. Mike Pompeo briefs Trump Thursday morning on his meetings with Saudi and Turkish leaders over the disappearance and apparent death of journalist. Jamal Khashoggi criticism is mounting over the Trump administration's handling of the crisis. With many saying Trump seems more interested in providing cover for the Saudis than in finding out the truth. Turkish officials say they have evidence that Khashoggi was killed in Saudi Arabia's consulate nistan bowl, and that many of the fifteen Saudi men implicated in the incident have high level ties to the Saudi government. Saudi Arabia's been important ally of ours in the Middle East. They are very good allies in the Middle East. But if you look at Saudi Arabia, they're under tremendous purchaser of not only military, but other things what I went there, they committed to purchase four hundred fifty million. Worth of things and one hundred, ten billion dollars worth the military. And those are the biggest orders in the history of this country. Probably the history of the world. I don't think there's ever been any order for four hundred fifty billion dollars, and you remember that day in Saudi Arabia with that commitment was made. So they're an important ally, but I wanna find out what happened and we will probably know that by the end of the week, but Mike Pompeo's coming back, we're gonna have a long often lived across the river in in Virginia. Why not send the FBI in wasn't a citizen of this country for one thing, and we're going to determine that and you don't know whether or not we have to, you know, but you know whether or not we've sent the mpn. I'm not going to. Audio, video intelligence deters s for different exists. We have asked, we've asked for if it exists. No, I'm not sure yet that it exists probably does possibly does have a full report on that from Mike. When he comes back talking about one hundred, ten billion dollars worth of military sales to the kingdom. That number is not accurate only fourteen point, five billion dollars in weapons sales have been approved by the Trump administration and congress. What Trump doesn't mention in his repeated defenses of Riyadh, the many tens of millions of dollars, the Saudi Royal family and its friends and allies spent on Trump condominiums and at Trump hotels Kosovo's final column for the Washington Post in which he advocates for freedom of the press. In the Middle East was published Wednesday night in the pace kashogi rights. Arab governments have been given free rein to continue silencing the media at an increasing rate. There was a time when journalists believed the internet would liberate information from the censorship and control associated with print media. But these governments whose. Very existence relies on the control of information have aggressively blocked the internet. They have also arrested local reporters and pressured advertisers to harm the revenue of specific publications. The Arab world needs a modern version of the old transnational media. So citizens can be informed about global events, more important. We need to provide a platform for Arab voices. We suffer from poverty mismanagement and poor education through the creation of an independent international forum isolated from the influence of nationalist governments spreading hate through propaganda, ordinary people in the world would be able to address the structural problems. Their societies face the deficit, jumped to seven hundred seventy nine billion dollars in fiscal year twenty eight teen. That's up seventeen percent from last year and the highest level since twenty twelve Republicans blame Democrats say. Saying they're resistant to cutting spending on social programs. Democrats point the finger at the GOP's massive tax cuts. So Trump told his cabinet to cut spending by five percent. Jamuna comeback with a five percent budget cut. He wants cold himself, the king of dead, but faced with an exploding federal deficit President, Donald Trump on Wednesday, urged his cabinet to slash spending at their agencies by five percent. Able to do get rid of the fat, get rid of the waste Trump's requests coming after the treasury department. This week reported a twenty eighteen budget shortfall of seven hundred seventy nine billion dollars the highest since twenty twelve though culprits a big jump in military spending and stagnant inflows of revenue. After deep tax cuts were pushed through by Republicans late last year, but with the economy humming along Trump and fellow Republicans are blaming the budget gap on government spending programs, known as entitlements such as Medicare. Oh, Canada. National experiment is beginning north of the US border as Canada becomes only the second nation in the world to legalize recreational marijuana after Uruguay. But some Americans are concerned that the US is missing out on big money by not following suit and Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon agrees issuing a statement that reads in part quote, now that our neighbor. To the north is opening its legal cannabis market. The longer we delay the longer we miss out on a potentially significant economic opportunity for Oregon and other states across the country. And that's a bit of what's news for now on the pool, Sandler. If you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show, I hope you'll consider making a contribution. 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"It is MAC OS. Ken crushing it with an imaginary product. Apple inside the Beltway and health wellbeing and watches. It's Friday the fifteenth of November Twenty Nineteen. I can raise. And this is news from Echo West. Ken brought brought to you by yours. Truly and sponsored by express. VPN Take Back Your Internet privacy today and find out how you can get three months free. That expressed suppressed BPM DOT com slash. Mecca West can. This show is also supported by people like you patrons through patriotic on find out more in that your support at Patriae on dot com slash Mac. Os can there were MP. Three players before ipod there were smartphones before iphone. There were tablets before IPAD. smartwatch is before apple you watch and wireless earphones before air pods. Apple did not invent any of those categories that simply dominated each one unwanted entered each category. And at least one firm expects the company to do it again next year cult of Mac has strategy analytics saying that iphone a phone five G. Will Dominate Five G handset sales in twenty twani. That's even with headstart enjoyed by other phone makers right now how strategy analytics director. Ken Hires as quoted in the piece. Saying it may seem counterintuitive that apple which currently has no five g phones its portfolio will be able to pass current five G. market leaders Samsung and wall way but with three new five G. models coming next year apple apple merely needs to match its current upgrade rates for newly introduced iphone models to take the lead next year while apple may come mm from behind the take the lead. It seems unlikely. That iphone five G. will become synonymous with five G.. smartphones the way I pod was with. MP three players or ipad with tablets in fact called. The Mac argues that iphones rain. At the top of five G.. Mountain will be relatively short. Lived the way the colts sees said as five G. continues to spread around the world in the coming years. Samsung will surely offer. A broader selection of five G. enabled handsets than apple pushing it back to the top of the market. And a time in DC. Where flattery will get you everywhere? Apples hired a guy who knows how to do it. CNBC says apple has hired one of president. Donald Trump's closest allies in Washington. DC to lobby on its behalf as it looks to avoid getting hit with another round of tariffs a lobbying registration. Form Has the Cupertino company hiring. Jeffrey Miller according to CNBC be see the documents says apple is hiring him and his team which includes others with ties to the trump administration for what's described as trade issues as they relate the technology goods and services. It did not disclose the specific nature of Miller's role as it pertains various trade hurdles all up this is apple seeks exemptions from tariffs set to go into effect in the middle of next month. Well we're strolling the nation's capital. What say we stopped by Capitol Hill? There we find senators piling on Goldman Sachs according to a piece from apple insider the issue. That's got them unbothered as the bias that may be at work when Goldman sets credit limits for Apple Card applicants. I think I would have to question. Apple insiders definition the pile though the article pretty much mentioned Democratic Senator and Presidential Hopeful Elizabeth Warren with a dash of democratic. Senator Ron Wyden. Didn't you may remember the e O of Goldman Sachs saying earlier this week that factors such as sex and marital status. Don't go into setting limits on apple card hard. He also suggested that anyone who thinks their credit limit was set incorrectly. Should get in touch with the bank for a reassessment. Only the part that seems to bother. Senator Warren is all of that apple insider highlights and interviews between the senator and Bloomberg. And that she's she's quoted as saying so. Let's just tell every woman in America. You might have been discriminated against on an unknown algorithm. It's on you to telephone Goldman socks and tell them to straighten it out. Sorry guys that's not how it works as for the black box algorithm making these decisions senator. You weren't said we're all beginning to understand better. That algorithms are only as good as the data that gets packed into them and a lot of discriminatory data gets packed in in other words. If that's how the world works and the Algorithm is doing nothing but sucking out information about how the world works than the discrimination is perpetuated waited Nye said the other day on this show that I'd be interested to hear stories from Apple Card recipients in different circumstances or situations say a couple where the wife got a higher limit in the husband or same sex couples with seemingly anomalous limit decisions while I had a listener right into let me I know that what others have seen yes. She's seen that in her house to part of a heterosexual couple. She wrote in to say. I thought I checked my credit credit limit versus husbands. Just to see after listening to you. Surprisingly my credit limit is in fact only two thirds of his the surprises. This is me because we mostly keep our finances separate and historically Mike Credit rating has been higher than his. This could have changed in recent years though. We haven't had need need to check that for a few years now oh algorithm you so crazy and potentially damaging to the future of society -ociety. I said by the way that we may need the question apple. Insiders Definition of piling the headline for the peace read in part senators deters pile on Goldman Sachs over alleged apple cart bias. Mostly the article was about senator. Warren's comments though the beasted have senator Wyden Leiden ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee saying on twitter that he is investigating whether these allegations are true and if so he expects thanks apple and Goldman Sachs do everything in their power to put an end to discrimination. It's not much of a pile is all. I'm saying room around some apple services. CNBC has secret. So and so's saying Apple News plus has had trouble growing knowing subscribers since its launch back in March says who people familiar with the matter who asked not to be named because they weren't supposed to be saying saying what they were saying. It's not all bad news. CNBC had one publisher saying while subscription revenue growth was lower than anticipated advertising revenue. From Apple News. The free product has slowly but consistently climbed the person also said Apple News plus is brought in a different different demographic of readers younger and more female than more direct forms of distribution. Perhaps it would be better for Apple News. He was plus to be part of something. Bigger Bloomberg had a piece Thursday saying that apple might go for the mega bundle for which analysts have been asking as soon as next year. According to the report apple is considering bundling it's paid Internet services including news plus Apple TV plus and Apple Apple Music as soon as twenty twenty and a bid to gain more subscribers according to wait for it people familiar with the matter. Well that might seem great for news plus publishers. They seem to be the fly in the moment the snag in the stockings the other other troublesome thing and something else the way. CNBC lays out the services fee structure for every subscriber of news. Plus apple takes fifty percent of the revenue. The publishers split the other half based on time spent reading their content. One publisher told CNBC that his company received between in twenty thousand and thirty thousand dollars per month for Apple News plus a number far lower than it had initially expected. More subscribers subscribers might be better though publishers are said to be bothered that instead of getting a piece of subscriptions they'd be getting a piece of a piece according to Bloomberg if apple sold apple news plus is part of a bundle with Apple. TV plus an apple music. Publishers would get less money because has the cost of the news. Service would likely be reduced. The people sat well they'd get a smaller percentage. I mean they might get less per subscriber grabber but with significantly more subscribers. They might make well over what they're making now anyway. I'd imagine that's the pitch that apple's Dell's making more news in a moment but first a word from xpress. VPN giving you back your Internet privacy if you ever use public Wi fi at a hotel or a coffee shop. Maybe you're sending data over an open network meaning no new encryption. At all the best way to ensure that all of your data is encrypted and can't be read by hackers is by using a good vpn like express VPN. 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Os this can learn more and a huge thanks to express VPN for sponsoring. This week's show apple CEO Tim Cook says when it's all said and done apple's greatest contribution will be about health. The couple stories today to back that assertion I the ability of Apple Watch to detect a fib seems to have been confirmed cult. AMAC ran in a piece earlier this week. Saying that the watch is built in electrocardiogram is unlikely to give wearers false notifications that they have atrial fibrillation or Feb.. That's the conclusion of a study involving over four hundred thousand participants that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. It's worth noting as called macktaz. The study doesn't conclude that apple watch catches all instances of Feb however eighth of notification. Should be taken seriously. Since the study found that the probability of receiving an irregular pulse notification was low the peace has researchers indicating that people who get get a job alerts from their Upper Watch E C G should go to a doctor since getting that alert means. There's almost certainly something wrong with your iheart. Continuing the Cupertino Company's health push the MAC observer says apple on Thursday launched its previously announced apple research op along with it. The company is open enrollment for three previously announced studies. Those include the Apple Women's health. Study the Apple Heart and movement study by the end. The apple hearing study in a press. Release on the Initiatives Apple Chief Operating Officer Jeff Williams was quoted as saying today marks an important important moment as we embark on research initiatives. That may offer incredible learnings and areas long sought after by the medical community participants on the research. I have the opportunity to make tremendous impact that could lead to new discoveries and helped millions lead healthier lives people the wanting to participate can do so at no cost the apple research APP is free. It's available now in the APP store. If you've got a pair of air pods pro your first. firmware update is out. The MAC observer says apple shove that out the door and into your ear holes on Thursday Thursday. It's unclear what the firmware update does according to the peace to get it. You don't have to do anything on the receiving end them. I'm an automatic process. The peace had users reporting yesterday that their firmware version number had shifted from to be five eight four two two five eight eight and finally today something to enjoy through those air pods or home pods or noisemakers of choice tech crunch says Apple Music has introduced replay a playlist of your top songs of the year comparing it to spotify wrapped year a year end review list the piece as with Apple Music replay subscribers will get a play list of their top songs from twenty nineteen like in the L. O.. Oh Song the replay playlist is eleven thing. According to the Peace Apple Music replay will continue to be updated all year. Long evolving thing as your musical tastes and interest do throughout the year the playlist and associated data insights will be updated on Sundays to reflect subscribers. Lay this listening activity. Timothy says apple getting lists going as kind of convoluted in the music APP. You Click the nineteen replay clay tile and the browse menu. 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Demographic Info on 80 Million US Households Found on Unsecured Server - DTH
"Today. Forty three percent of college grads work, underpaying jobs that don't require a degree while two hundred thousand tech jobs. Go unfilled in high growth industries across the US with courses in software engineering data science, and you I design flat iron schooled and help students succeed in the modern workforce. After graduation, you dedicated career coach will help you land a job or your money back complete details at flat iron school dot com slash terms. Learn more at flat iron school dot com slash DT. NS? These are the daily tech headlines for Monday, April twenty nine twenty nineteen. I'm rich traveling. Security researcher known road of discovered an unsecured cloud server rolling twenty four gigabyte database that included demographic information on more than eighty million US households information in databases for adults forty and older, including full street addresses exact longitude latitude full names ages and dates of birth with coded entries for other fields like sex income and marital status, although notably no social security numbers were listed Rotem said there is no indication this database has been accessed. But that is still online in a post on VPN mentor dot com, he called on readers to help find the database owners. Samsung announced this arrow, forty three inch quantum dot q. Lead TV that can be flipped ninety degrees for watching vertical. Video. The TV offers four dot one channel sixty watt. Sound Bixby control a presumed for K resolution and support for NFC phone sinking to MIR vertical content to the display forty nine and fifty five inch sizes we'll becoming later this year. The Sarah will be available at the end of may in Korea for eighteen point nine million one or roughly sixteen thousand three hundred dollars Amazon launched person to person payments in India using Amazon pay on Android payments will utilize India's UPI platform for instant Bank to Bank transfers payments can be sent and received by selecting a contact in address book entering a UPI or a Bank account number users can also pay for Amazon deliveries by scanning an Amazon pay QR code. Bloomberg reports that according to sources each rate is planning to let customers trade crypto currencies on its platform. The initial rollout would include bitcoin, Anna theorem trading and each Redwood reportedly consider adding more crypto currencies in the future. The New York Times reports that apple removed or restricted eleven of the seventeen. Most downloaded screen time and parental control apps over the past year to developers filed a complaint against apple with the us competition office claiming apple force changes to apt to make them less useful than its own native screen time app. Macrumors publishing Email from Apple's Phil Schiller extending the apps removed use mobile device management profiles designed for enterprises to access devices and data and that no developer should use MD profiles a consumer devices to privacy and security concerns. Propublica alleges turbo tax uses deceptive design and misleading advertising to tricked lower income Americans into pain to file their taxes. Even though they're eligible do it for free Intuit which owns her tax appears to be hiding this free option from Google search by adding code on its site. Telling search engines not to list tax free file in search results. Senator Ron Wyden said in a statement that Intuit's practices are -rageous that he plans to investigate further. State Department deputy assistant Secretary Robert Strayer said the US government will reassess information sharing with allies who use while way equipment as part of the country's five G infrastructure specifying that the US makes no distinction between core and non-core parts of five G networks, the UK and Dutch carrier KPN have both Bhardwaj equipment from core. Five gene networks, but remained open to using Queant in non-core deployments. The Chinese micro blogging platform we bow announce at the national library of China will archive over two hundred billion public we bow post as well as two hundred ten million new stories from Sinai dot com. The archive is part of a nonprofit project aimed at chronicling the evolution of the internet era as well as long term development of information security and digitisation of the country other internet companies in China are being invited to participate as well. Archived data will be held on company servers while reviewed for policy-making an economic purposes. Spotify reported it lost point seven nine euros per share and Q one on revenue of one point five. One billion euros. An increase of thirty three percent on the year. Analysts had expected revenue of one point four seven billion euros and a loss of point three five euros per share in the innings report. Spotify announce it grew paid subscribers thirty two percent of the year, and now has over one hundred million Spotify premium subscribers worldwide, the company now has two hundred seventeen million monthly active users, including the free tear, the company expects to have between two hundred twenty two and two hundred twenty eight million users by the end of the quarter, identifying smart speakers as a key growth area. And finally, the FCC approves space is request to fly some of it's startling internet beam satellites at a much lower orbit than originally intended fouled in November twenty eighteen SpaceX can now launch one thousand five hundred eighty four of the four thousand four hundred twenty five Starling satellites and orbit a five hundred fifty kilometers with the remainder flying between one thousand one hundred ten and thirteen hundred twenty five kilometers space x requested the change after test flights are. Doing that flying some satellites in lower orbit would reduce the total number needed and decrease signalling to fifteen milliseconds company plans to begin launching its first operational satellites later next month. Remember for discussion of the tech news of the day. Subscribe to daily tech new show at the technician dot com. And remember to rate interview daily tech headlines where ever you get your podcast extra listening? We'll talk to you next. And from all of us here at daily tech headlines. Remember have a super sparkley day.
Sen. Ron Wyden says Trumps Section 230 FCC shuffle is a disaster
"The. Ads are everywhere on the Internet sometimes they're useful. Occasionally they're fun. But mostly they're just in the way scroll lets you read sites like the verge and hundreds of others without ads or third party trackers. Scroll Distributes your memberships to the sites. You Love See you can support the journalism and content that matters ad free the virgin own bone called scroll a quotes hellacious hack. See what he means by signing up for a thirty day free trial at scroll dot com slash verge cast that scroll dot com slash verge cast. Everybody Converge Cast Especial Quick Turnaround Interview Episode Today This Morning Eddie, Robertson I spoke to Senator Ron Wyden he's the CO author of section two thirty. That's the law that basically allows social networks to exist in this country. The way that they do, we ask widen about the TIKTOK controversy. He had some clear thoughts about trump trying to force a sale of TIKTOK. It's not. We think we also, of course talked about section two, thirty, the various bills in Congress that would perform section to thirty. One thing I want to call out there the senator references, Susta foster and. We WanNA burn time with him. Explaining it so very quickly says, foster is a law that was passed that carbs out to thirty makes platforms liable through US for sex trafficking is very controversial how effective ally is and who it helped hurt. You'll hear the senator discussed that Senator also announced a new privacy bill that he'll be introducing in. Congress would make it a legal for law enforcement to buy data on the open market other need a warrant for under the fourth. Amendment and lastly, we talked about the chaos at the FCC president trump has blocked the renomination of Republican FCC Commissioner who expressed First Amendment based hesitation for trump's plan to have the FCC regulate twitter facebook Google other social networks using to thirty as a tool that is a big deal. You'll hear Senator Express his reservations about that very clearly all in all a jam packed thirty minutes or Senator Wyden covered as much as we could check it out I. Think it's very informative. Senator Ron wyden welcome to the rich cast hey. y'All. And Addie Robertson as well we'll committee high. So senator, let's talk about obviously we want to talk about two thirty sounds like there's some privacy stuff to talk about but I could not begin this interview without talking about Tiktok, which is of subject of full debate related to the two thirty issue. How are we going to regulate social platforms? How are we going to? Monitor what's happening on them? It sounds like president trump really wants to talk to sell. He said if they don't sell to Microsoft or somebody else by September fifteenth will be out of business what is your view of this entire process? Well, as you all know there is a process for the government to offensively evaluate something like this with security risks when it comes to foreign on companies and my my view is there's some job or donald trump's job to basically throw a lot of politics in the decision. So let me tell you what I think the issues are because it's an enormously Important question and privacy is as you. suggested. Issue with TIKTOK, but I'm more concerned about two other issues I. my view is that it is fundamentally unfair from a competition standpoint for China to restrict access to the US social media companies when at the same time Chinese owned APPs are allowed to freely operate here, and my view is that is a prescription for China to basically dominate the future the Internet. So that's my first concern second. I think we all know there have been a number of concerns, a number of stories concerning how to talk sensors. Used that are critical of the Chinese government and despite its promises as long as Tiktok is a Chinese owned a company, there's always going to be the potential to silence voices. Chinese government doesn't want you here or can influence American public opinion. So that is kind of the way I'm approaching it and there are a host of issues that are part of this whole discussion but those are the ones I think that are central to the debate. So one of those issues is is broad covers every potential Chinese APP. facebook and Google and their astronaut allowed to operate in China. We should take a hard look at Chinese apps operating here. That's a general idea and the other one is very specific to Tiktok. They haven't set of moderation policies, but I look at the TIKTOK situation I just see this rhetoric or banning it and shutting down just on an accelerated curve since the reports that a bunch of teenagers disrupted the president's rally until. Like that happened in suddenly where we're GONNA, shut it down by the fifteenth unless they sell do you think the current process is appropriate? I think yes. There is a process now to sensually look at the central kinds of questions which to me start with. A serious evaluation of security risks when it comes to foreign owned companies and Everybody, understands that it's not just a rumor. There's an election coming up. So everybody gets that but it's not Donald, trump's job or my job to basically. Politics dominated. So those are the concerns I'm I'm looking at do you think it's appropriate for Microsoft to have to pay the Treasury? If they they purchased Tiktok, which is something the president said yesterday I. I'm not GonNa, go any further I think then outlining my concerns now and obviously all of this going to be debated yesterday Microsoft said this might be a bad process, but we'll get to the right outcome. Do you think that's accurate I think that the process that exists in the United? States is a process that. Best strikes at the core kinds of issues which I have described your burn a lot of time thinking about and I'm GonNa, leave it at that. All right. You said just before you came on, you WanNa talk about some privacy developments that you're excited about what's going on there in the next few weeks, I'm going to roll out a new piece of legislation really based on where the debate about privacy and related issues are, and the bill will be introduced a shortly under the title. The fourth amendment is not for sale. And basically what it would do, it would outline plan to ban the government through buying information that would otherwise require a court order or a warrant, and I think we've really reached the point where you have so much data. Floating around and you all have been very interested in. BID GOVERNMENTS CAN Essentially by their way around the fourth amendment and so the point of this bill is to basically build on my earlier legislation, the Mind Your Own Business Act and be very specific about making sure that you just don't have the back door to throw in the fourth amendment in the trash can now be introduced shortly, and we've seen all of these shady data brokers selling information about Americans to the government. I will tell you I'm on the Intelligence Committee I'm not going to get into classified. I think what you've read about and heard about is just the tip of the iceberg I don't think Americans constitutional rights. Vanish when the government uses a credit card instead of a court order, I mean surveillance folks is on surveillance and I want to do is closeness. Loophole and my view is that the combination of this law and the Mind Your Own Business Act, which I think will force. Mark Zuckerberg and the other Tuxedos to take privacy seriously because there would be personal consequences. This is how you go about in my view, these two bills preventing. Future privacy disaster. This ought to be the foundation of what you're describing here is i. am a phone case manufacturer I WANNA buy some targeted ads I could go to a data broker by information about people's locations, their search histories on the open market you want to prevent the government from participating in this marketplace got I, I want the government. Bird from essentially buying their way around the fourth amendment, we've all been reading you all have done this Wall Street Journal mirrored everybody who's that reporters investigating these shady data brokers picking up thanks thing and I will tell you unless we have a log that has some teeth. These data brokers are going to get away with it indefinitely, and as you know, a number of the purchasers have already broken their pledges to me. We can make available diverge all these letters with you know high-sounding you know rhetoric about how they were going to protect the consumer in I think we're learning that most of those pledges aren't worth the paper they're written on 'em. The Federal Trade Commission doesn't have the power of the resources stop these companies from misusing American American data, and even when the FTC investigate facebook originally it let them off with a fine that was basically like a mosquito bite for a company is. So you say with some teeth, you're talking about law enforcement needing to respect the fourth amendment before it goes in buys data but it sounds like you're also talking about regulating the brokers directly. How does that break down what we're doing and we will have this bill for people's review. Quickly, I'm just giving you the top the top line. This is going to try to ensure that unless you have a court order or a warrant, you can't be out there. You know buying an find information and we will outline the specific kinds of steps here your shortly but the point is to go the next step beyond the mind your, Own Business Act at. is, different about this building any other I wanNA talk about two thirty and I want to spend the book in two thirty I look forward to reading that bill. It sounds a good idea but I look forward to reading it to thirty. There is a lot going on. There's the pact act. There is the earn it act in. There is just what I would describe is chaos at the FCC. The MTA filed a petition, the FCC based on the President's executive order saying figure out a way to regulate social networks and potentially take away the protections of thirty you wrote to thirty and very interested in your view of that petition and then yesterday. President. Trump blocked the renomination of chairman Riley, who is a conservative who is a Republican because he seems very uncomfortable with the notion of the FCC regulating social networks. What he specifically said is I shudder to think of a day in which the fairness doctrine could be reincarnated for the Internet and that immediately led to him not being renominated for another term by the president. Let's start with the FCC. What do you think of this petition to have the FCC figure out a way to generate some authority to regulate facebook and twitter and Google? You're you're really talking I think about the executive order, right? Yes. Okay. So this is a deeply flood idea and it's something I feel very strongly about because it is essentially. On the idea that twitter should be forced to publish Donald Trump's lies which take place practically every day about vote by mail. And You all know I'm nation's first male in United States senator. I was the first senator elected exclusively by mail ever since two thousand and two. I have been introducing bill to take vote by mail national. They were usually pretty dry debates because political scientists would debate him in tweed jackets and all act. and. Now it's a question of. Public Health most of the poll workers are over sixty. So that's what this is. Really all about is donald trump even though he votes comfortably by mail from his home in Florida. Want anybody else to do it but he wants to force twitter to publish his lies. I will tell you I think beyond the fact that this is a colossal. Constitutional Mask I don't think even trump believes is going to be able to get away with this what he's doing and I. I went to school on a basketball scholarship. And a plane in the NBA pretty ridiculous idea because us too small and I I made up for it by being really slow at six four. And I will tell you what Donald Trump is doing is basically working the rest that's really doing his working. The refs he's trying to bully the tech companies in order to get better treatment, and by the way any serious effort to change to thirty his Ghana run into these Republican. You know fantasies where Platforms should actually do less moderation and allow more misinformation about things like vote by mail when Kobe and the like. So I don't I don't see this as as happening. You Know Donald Trump sure wants to believe tech. He wants to force. Platforms to print his lies and people like me particularly when he's lying day after day after day about the safest way for people to vote the fall, we're on push back mechanically here trump issues executive order the executive order the only concrete thing asked for was for the Commerce Department to petition the FCC to look into resolving what it called contradictions between sections of of two thirty and to look into a way. To petition, AFC, to take control basically of our social networks to regulate them the way they regulate broadcast. have. You have you read the petition. Have you have you meet? Yes, and the fact is this is going to be a lawyer full. Employment Program. No question about it this the constitutional mess. But virtually all of the independent analysts and many of them are Republicans say he isn't Gonna be able to pull this off and I'm telling you my own judgment from having watched sort of the alphabet agencies in Washington DC and how these things. Play out is I think Donald Trump nosy is going to be able to get a me. It is just completely wrong and say in his going to bleed into the other issues which senators holly in crews than others in talking about that I think also don't resemble reality. There are always blaming yesterday we heard again about how conservatives didn't get a fair shake in social media. been all kinds of an analysis that indicate that's not true that usually bleeds in to the cruise argument that what I did was write a law the called for neutrality. You hear always about anything about the tragedy and what Chris Cox and I wrote nothing you could have conservative websites. All could pay attention that you could have liberal websites and the marketplace would. Reflect what People's preferences were, which is what we? Intended and can I just give you my kind of one-sentence take on all these bills because we earn it and we got the bill and all the? What Chris Cox and I tried to do. In? Suction two thirty I. think it's still valid. Today is we wanted to empower free speech and moderation. These otheir ideas have one thing in common. They would restrict free speech in order to force moderation. That is the difference in my view between what we talked to do with two thirty and all of these bills and and you know if we really want to put everybody to sleep. And Virgin known for not doing it we can make. The difference between the earning act and the pack Bill, and you know they're all kinds of other ones floating around. But that is the core difference is what we did in two thirty we wanted to empower free speech and moderation. These are really difficult crazy stressful times, and if you're trying to sort of cope, it can be helpful to find something that gets beyond like doom scrolling and like obsessive worried but digs into what is really going on underneath the surface and that's what the weeds all about. I Matthew Yglesias. Weeds podcast here on the box meeting podcast network. This is podcast for people who really want to understand the policy debates and policy issues that shaping our world. We've seen now more than ever like. Elephant is to our actual lives but so much in the news isn't focused on really understanding explaining detail way if that sounds good to you, join us for the weeds every. Tuesday. Friday to find out what's going on why matters what we can do about it you could download the weeds apple spotify or wherever else you get your podcasts. I had one question about the pact which was specifically in the hearing last week Chris Cox had said that he thought it was relatively reasonable for say websites to have to take down content that court had deemed illegal. He had called. It said if it was a well-crafted statute and there was a clear standard, it is exactly the way section to thirty should work in spirit. What do you think of that? Well, I mean a couple things I let me tell you about the pact. act. Really doesn't know what problem it's supposed to solve. It makes a lot of rules about. A. Lot of different aspects of content moderation, and even if it was written in a more straightforward way, I don't know how it would create a better balance of taking down slime while I'm still allowing for a vibrant free free speech. The other part of this is I. Think that hacked would effectively lock in facebook as the dominant player in the marketplace and make it difficult for. New Challengers to emerge and the reason I say that is look at all those rigs around you know moderation it's going to be very hard for somebody to break in, take on facebook with all those rules. Now on the idea that companies should be able to be forced to take on content that a court has ruled as illegal. Now, there may be some narrow way to address outlier. Cases but that's not what people are talking about. You know here. I've got to concerns. I might concern is that sites could be flooded with baked court orders which researchers have already documented second. My concern is that this kind of provision could be a mechanism for affluent and special interest silence criticism, and that's seen in Europe and defamation cases in America. So having said that let's see if somebody can come up with some narrow provision that addresses outlier cases, but we should make any mistake about it. That's not what politicians are complaining about here. That's not what the far right politicians are complaining. So when I look at the broad spectrum of two thirty reform proposals, and then what is happening with users on the ground. One thing our colleague Casey Newton reminds us of all the time. The number one complaint users of facebook have about facebook is it too much content is taken down by far that is their number. One complaint we live in a world where we just had an antitrust hearing you're afraid that additional regulation around content moderation will cement facebook. Is there a way to solve this that isn't to thirty or form, but is actually competition reform so that users were unhappy facebook goes somewhere else well, I will tell you again that I think that to thirty strikes the best balance with respective you know this. This issue and you know my sense is that to thirty now gets blamed for practically everything. I mean it's kind of like if somebody gets a sprained ankle, it's to thirties thought you know like something that comes up on facebook it just goes on and on. But the reality is that this has still really addressed a lot of the issues that I felt most strongly about which is helping the little guy and the people without power and clout. Mean think about black lives matter and think about the METOO. Movement black lives matter all those things being posted. To social media platforms with the METOO movement at a chance to take on powerful men without to thirty lot of people I talked to you. No doubt it. So I think we ought to deal with the kind of core kinds of questions and you know, for example, to me the central question from the antitrust hearing, and by the way I've been working night and day on the unemployment issue I wrote the. Provisions that a called for the six hundred dollar per month extra benefit as on ranking Democrat on the finance. Committee. So I've been kind of working around the clock on I. Didn't see the hearings, but the central question on antitrust is Heidi. Your promote more competition because I mean look at facebook I mean the classic case was anybody who challenges them and the other big guys just go out and buy them. Now, my kids always joke with me that you know I think I know something about tack. But the fact is we know what happened with facebook facebook saw younger users migrating to instagram period full stop they go out and buy you know instagram and that's basically what happens. So to me for people that are concerned about what's going on and platforms let's unleash more competition. I think that'll be good for markets I. Think it'd be good for. Consumers and by the way beginning the ranking Democrat. On the Finance Committee, I can tell you that there are a host of other areas where we need out same kind of principle, starting with consolidation and telecom pharmaceuticals for telecom companies to tie content to the broadband services to their broadband services Caen me looks inappropriate on its face I mean just to go back to part of the pack that doesn't have to do with taking down content explicitly. Are Transparency rules that companies would have to publish more if their moderation guidelines, what do you think about that provision and do you think there's a way that you would be able to enforce that if it's a good idea without changing to thirty? Well, the pack as I said I'm not sure that we know what problem it is supposed to solve, and for example, I'm still concerned about where encryption stands all of these different bills and I'll just put it out this way I mean I told you my general thought about these bills for me the two part test of somebody who wants to make significant reform. Into thirty is one of protecting speech and to are you promoting moderation and I don't think you can do that and so much of what is out there today about two thirty is just factually wrong and by the way hats off the Burj forgetting a lot of accurate reporting about two thirty out there. But if you'll recall the New York Times, that's actually publish a correction for God's Sakes in New York Times was getting to thirty and the First Amendment inflated then publish a correction for a while we definitely thought the. Story was how often people are getting it wrong and that was to Meta mean speaking of that. Do you think at this point? There is any way to extricate any good faith debate and discussion of section two thirty from all of the misinformation and sort of bad faith discussion of Oh I'm a glass half Paul Guy I mean that's what that's what my my wife always always says, you know she says, he brings us Mr Rogers approach to government. He comes on in talks about you know what's good short mean hope springs. Eternal. But the test is, what does it do for speech and what the do for moderation and I don't think these bills yet have hit that and I would like to make mention one other thing because lot of people say well, you know Ron's doing all this stuff that helps the big guys that has never been the moving force behind my views. My views have always been about the little guy. You know the person in their garage somebody you know dreaming big that was what you know move need to do to two. Thirty and I thought to thirty would be helpful when it came up and Chris. Cox By by the way is such a thoughtful thinker, any dissecting the prodigy case and all this kind of thing when we were having lunch together young Congress people, I finally said Chris I don't know everything about the Internet and I haven't I second prodigy the way you've done but why in the world would anybody put a nickel into this new stuff online? If they thought they were going to be held personally liable for everything that was posted. Guess what everybody tells us. It could be a lot of posting. So that has always been what I've been talking about in the one thing I think everybody should be worried about is what happened with Susta Foster with Oh we're GONNA fix the Internet. We are GONNA stop all this human trafficking. It's terrible. Well, guess what drove a lot of it to the dark web we've seen additional problems in a variety of jurisdictions that I I don't know whether you've reported on others have reported on it and if you want to now deal with. Children as I do put real resources into prosecutors and support my bill that does that. So we're running out of time I run a come back to the FCC issue here there is the spate of in Congress. There is the bad faith conservative argument about bias on platforms that's one lane of activity. The other lane that we are seeing is the president blocking the nomination of a Republican FCC Commissioner who expressed First Amendment based hesitation around the SEC regulating social networks your senator you'll be involved in nominating his replacement or confirming his replacement if one is nominated. Do you think that the president's handling the FCC right now is appropriate and as a senator what steps will you take somebody else not needed? Handling it is a disaster and one nomination after another. Is brought up and the litmus has is, will the nominee do exactly what the president of the United States wants to do on any given issue at any particular moment me these nominees are basically handing over any sense of independence. So my guess is that the president will insist on somebody who's GonNa push the policy that twitter half the publishes lies and somehow twist intern The FCC into a forum that unravel section. To thirty and basically forfeit any sense of independence and I've got a track record of fighting that kind of nominee end. Will certainly have tough questions to ask in any kind of confirmation process and I've got to think that a nominee, the federal communications commission from the from from the trump administration is somebody who basically is prepared to carry out every dotted I and every cross key of the president's Anti two-thirty policy, which as I've indicated I, think the bottom line I've studied carefully because of the implications for I male is basically about working the refs bullying the tech companies and enforcing twitter and platforms to print his lies it seems. Like Chairman Pie is very hesitant about this. We've seen a notable shift in tone from commissioner car. Are you tracking what is happening at the FCC? Because if trump wins again, car will likely become the chairman and he is he is I. I would say the shift in tone is a very notable where he wants to regulate twitter and facebook. Thank you very much verge forgiving me another argument to take out to the grass roots for why we can't let him win the election because I think we know what will happen. In. You've you've outlined it. Yes. He will go to these regulatory agencies. He is going to force them to enough back subscribe his litmus test on these issues, and by the way it's pretty hard job for nominee because, yes the president talks to nominee on Thursday and see something on Fox and friends on Friday morning than he may demand. The whole thing be redone and the nominee has to go along with what president saw on Fox News Friday morning just as you mentioned, there's this spread of section two thirty. Bills and the White House, and the FCC where do you see all of this going next wild I mean the the president were down to ninety some days for purposes of the election. So it is hard to see a two thirty all running the Gauntlet in united, States Senate, because hopefully, we will soon renew on the legislation that I authored making it possible for people to get the six hundred dollars per week and make rent pay growth threes and a build a on that Senator Schumer and I have. Tried to do, and then we'll be back for a short session in September, which is traditional in an election year. So it's hard to see running the gauntlet but I don't think anybody should be mistaken about the consequences in your colleague just talked about it in terms of an SEC in the election, and I think that you have Senator Graham and Senator Blumenthal with earn it, which I think is still back-door effort to gut. In. And we're still raises spike the good work of Senator Lahey. My friend and colleague raises questions about whether states could could could do that. You have the pack I. Think we've kind of pounded away a little bit on the implications there you have the Federal Communications Commission. But all of the really kate you down. You know one one path is that you know the president wants to basically cake this concept known have twitter and he wants to. Twisted intern it does advantage. That's when he did in the twenty sixteen election, and now he doesn't like what has evolved online and he wants to twist it and turn it his advantage, and the reason that I wanted to discuss the ramifications here is that I and others are going to push very hard against these approaches that I think we got the whole role of the First Amendment as the bullwork for the little guy for the little. Guy The person who doesn't have power doesn't have cloud doesn't have political action committees. Those were the people I cared about in the first place, and by the way I can wrap with this people really don't know that facebook signed off on Susta foster facebook basically got to its dominant position and decided will will pull up the drawbridge on the challengers. So a lot of the people who are posing section to thirty are people who have made. It the US to thirty when they were small and entrepreneurial and innovative and wanted to put money into innovation rather litigation. Now, they've made it and they're trying to as sort of incumbency and legacy industries push everybody aside in the example of Ceska off I mean so much nonsense talk about on Susta foster that you needed to stop trafficking for example, back page got busted under current law it didn't get busted under. SUSTA. Foster. So I appreciate Me a chance to inject a little bit of facts in the two thirty, the discussion. Here online that somebody's sprained their ankle on it's to thirty s fault y'all have a chance to hear the alternative story that we've been talking about senator. Wyden. Thank you for the time I feel like I could do entire other our with you just talking about telecom telecoms content. So that's the schedule at. All right. Thanks to Senator Ron Wyden for joining us. We'll have coverage of all his remarks in his upcoming privacy bill on the verge dot com. You can check that out. Thanks also to Addie. Robertson who at this point I think knows more about two thirty than any reporter going. So it was very happy to have her there. We've act on Friday with the chatshow. We got other string guests coming up on the interview show on Tuesdays we'll talk to you soon.
Full Episode: Thursday, April 23, 2020
"This is nightline tonight tinderbox covert nineteen in the long term care crisis some of them would crash real fast. Let thing I've ever seen before. In my life nursing homes I flash point of the pandemic the staggering loss of life spreading across the nation. Now the accusations the trump administration could have done more to save lot testing a nursing homes. We don't have personal protective equipment. Things you're going to get back plus answering back one on one with Seema Verma. White House Corona Virus Task Force member defending the administration's handling of Cova Nineteen nursing home crisis. Good evening. Thank you for joining us. Across the nation members of the great generation have been left especially vulnerable to the wrath of Cova nineteen nursing home deaths. Now Talk Eleven thousand in twenty six states now. Many are saying Moore could and should have been done to protect the elderly before things spun out of Control. Here's ABC's Kaley Heart Thome in the war war against covert nineteen. This is one of the places. The fight is most intense but instead of guns. These soldiers are using disinfectants. We've been going to treat facilities to take care of Georgia's most at risk residence Prevent the spread cove nineteenth battle plan to save the lives of people living inside nursing homes. Now do the staggering told. The Nation's nursing homes assisted living facilities. They outbreak taking a toll on nursing. Home the governor now issuing a series of mandates tonight including limiting visitors to nursing homes and. Abc News Tally counting over ten thousand deaths in twenty-six states. I was there as the outbreak. Began in Kirkland Washington. We just seen another person loaded up into the ambulance to be taken to the hospital and over the weeks. The body count and facilities has continued to rise forty nine in Virginia one of the deadliest. Cova nineteen outbreaks at any assisted living facility in the country. Just this week forty one in Andover New Jersey. It started with a desperate call over the weekend for two dozen body bags and relatives are demanding answers. Nobody should die like this. As the President House. The federal response to nursing homes amidst the outbreak. Were taking very special care. Nursing and our seniors critics say the administration has mishandled the situation on multiple fronts. Clearly the federal government has been slow and they said well. We're not really responsible. The states are responsible to this day. We still have the trump administration battling governors of both political parties some pointing to shortages of protective equipment and testing in the facility. So we've been saying for the last month and a half that if we don't have testing nursing homes if we don't have personal protective equipment things are going to get bad others calling out the low wages of many nursing home workers. Goes you care for young kids and those who care for our parents and grandparents in in these facilities are among the lowest paid workers as we look back at the trump track record. They constantly minimized of Mayes. D- what this was all about. Senator Ron Wyden cosigned a letter that says before the pandemic the trump administration repeatedly weaken nursing home safety standards that put residents at greater risk to infectious disease. Outbreaks may roll back regulations with respect to preparedness making sure for example that there was coordination with local and state officials widens letter coming as the nation's first covert nineteen crisis unfolded. Well Kirkland and the facts are still coming in should have been a wakeup call. The virus began its silent assault on the life. Care Facility in Kirkland Washington in January February one pair Kirk Quincy one after another deteriorating in his health condition and medical care centre. Today everybody Cagey sweating reading. A negative at the end of February center came to realize the covert nineteen had infiltrated their facility. There's a lot of people in life. Care saying they grieve with families who have lost loved ones. People who were important members of our professional family current residents in associates continued to be monitored closely by early March. The federal government was compelled to issue some guidance advising nursing facilities to screen visitors with symptoms of a respiratory infection. Seniors and Americans with underlying health conditions are particularly vulnerable at the time one hundred fifty nine cases of covert nineteen were reported around the country yet. This was still eight days before a national emergency was declared about the covert nineteen outbreak. Soon as we saw cases that were taking place in Kirkland. We should have recognized that. This is an alarm bell. That is not just specific to one care facility actually has repercussions across the US today. Thirty seven lives at life. Care IN KIRKLAND. Lost a heavy toll on the employees who were inside. I knew a lot of the patients and some of them had been there for a really long time on some of them would crash real fast. They'd go from zero symptoms to crashing in three hours. The turnaround time was incredible. It's like nothing I've ever seen before in my life in the wake of Kirkland Mark Parkinson. The president of the American Health Care Association and an advocate for nursing homes believes the federal government should have prioritized testing the nursing home resident. Who has symptoms cove it even if they have underlying health conditions priority level too and so what that means is that we can get them a task that we probably can't get test results for seven to ten days. An a lot of really bad. Things can happen in seven to ten days as the outbreak continued spreading across the country state. Regulators tasked with responding to the crisis found themselves fighting a losing battle at the facility We've had a hundred and eight individuals test positive for cove in nineteen of those hundred eight Thirty nine of those individuals have been showing symptoms. Danny Hulas the public health director for the Richmond district in Virginia. He was part of the team. Tasked with addressing the spread of cove at the Canterbury Rehabilitation and health. Care Center there. He says they tried to contain the virus by isolating residents showing symptoms. I was not necessarily surprised by the number that number of total positives but rather it was the number of people who are positive that were not showing symptoms at all. If you don't have symptoms it's very hard to make a decision to isolate people and so by the time that it was identified. There was probably a huge amount transmission events without people even knowing they had been infected and that made it incredibly difficult to control part of Cova nineteenth cutting the weight heights. It shows no symptoms and with a symptomatic carriers moving freely about the Canterbury Centre soon found itself overwhelmed with cases becoming the first facility to surpass. Life Karen Kirkland and fatalities forty nine residents dead in three weeks. I really didn't realize it until a news article came out that they had a number of deaths their precious Turner's uncle lives in the Canterbury Centre. Now she says that he has tested covert positive and relies on the staff there to keep him safe. These people are risking their life every day to go into work to make your mind so. I'm extremely grateful for them. Canterbury credit staff for tireless work during an unprecedented time according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics Personal Care. Aides made an average of around twenty four thousand dollars a year in two thousand eighteen. And now some of these AIDS are putting their own lives on the line for the residence at this facility. Outside Columbus Ohio employees have even volunteered to lock themselves in with the residents to avoid a symptomatic spread and give the vulnerable. Their best shot at survival between twenty to twenty individuals volunteered to give everything outside this world whether it's being with their kids or taking care of grown parents to come here and take care of our residents and our loved ones here. The facility says the lockdown. They still don't have any covert patients need folks to shop healthcare backgrounds to be rallying around these facilities in flocking into them to help them the same way that we saw with hospitals in some states. Local volunteers have taken it upon themselves to help out right. Now we're gathering The donations that we've been able to procure Leeann Spitzer and her group inspired a New Jersey have mobilized to support the end over sub acute and Rehab Center one into. They've basically just asked us anything that we can do. Any sort of p. p. e. protection. If we can get it to them to please do that. They are putting their life on the line everyday to take care of these people and they really need the recognition they deserve. It's a nursing home. This group says for weeks had been asking for help and became a national story when that ask became for bodybags gruesome discovery andover. New Jersey. Police found more than a dozen bodies piled up in an overcrowded morgue. Is Larry Talk Now? My Uncle Beth. Gandhi's uncle was a resident and over when he died on April. Sixth she believes but says the facility does not know whether his death may have been related to Kobe. Nineteen family members can't even go and see their loved ones right now to Ganji. The tragedy was a complete shock. She says that just a few days before his death an andover staff member called her family to tell them that her uncle was being taken to the hospital. My Dad got a call at two thirty in the morning here in Florida that his brother Larry had been taken to the hospital with a fever. The next call we got was four days later saying that my uncle had died. The state's attorney general has opened up an investigation into the high number of deaths. Multiple facilities including andover last year and over was rated much below average on their health inspection receiving a one at a five star rating from Medicare to Sube a process that's been used for nursing homes throughout the years which is broken and over saying that they remain confident that a state review will confirm that the facility has been addressing the unprecedented challenges from this pandemic appropriately and due to patient privacy concerns. They were unable to discuss individual patient details as for Beth. She's morning. Her uncle her grief fixated on the isolation. She believes he endured in his final days. My uncle died alone. You know nobody to hold his hand. Nobody took pray for him. Nobody to tell him you know it was going to be okay or anything. He he died. I'm sure he died gasping for air and it breaks my heart. Nobody should die like this. Our thanks to Kaley up next. What on one with White House Corona Virus Task? I -member Seema Verma. What she says. The trump administration is doing to protect nursing homes from Kovin nineteen. The trump administration says it will now require nursing homes to report new cove in nineteen cases to the CDC. It's just one change to answer critics of how it is handled the crisis in long term care facilities earlier. Today I spoke with Seema Verma. She has the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services and a member of president. Trump's corona virus task force. Thank you so much for joining us very grateful for your time. Do you think your agency is doing enough. Did enough in assisting seniors during this crisis first of all let me just say that arm hearts and minds go out to the nursing home patients and their families. This has been an enormously difficult time and nursing home residents were amongst the most vulnerable to the corona virus. And that's why we took early action. Putting out infection control policies reminding nursing homes of those longstanding guidelines and we've continued to update that information based on the latest science and information. I would like to take you back to early marsh. You received a letter from Congress. Raising concerns nursing. Homes were especially at risk from cove in nineteen outbreaks the letter from Senator Ron Wyden and Congressman Richard Neal accused the administration of previously weakening safety standards to put nursing homes at greater risk to outbreaks. What's your response to that? Everything that the trump administration has done has been to increase accountability for nursing homes into improve quality and safety across the board also in that letter they cite the administration's September two thousand nineteen removal of the requirements that Medicare and Medicaid facilities document emergency preparedness coordination the state local and federal officials. Why was that removed and dip that? Leave some facilities. Were vulnerable to an emergency like this. Absolutely not everything that we've been doing with nursing homes is to hold them accountable outcomes and we've also been trying to increase transparency so that patients and their families have better insight as to what's going on in the nursing home if the administration remove requirements. How does that better prepare the federal government to monitor? What's going on on nursing? We given flexibility to nursing homes. We also have to make sure that regulations don't stand in the way of nursing homes providing high quality care to their patients the last thing we want our nurses and doctors in the back room filling out paperwork. One of the things. We're hearing from nursing homes. They in the beginning in many cases still lack the resources they need from mask gloves gowns. How much of that is the administration responsible for only just say that? Done a terrific job in making sure that healthcare facilities across the country are getting the supplies that they need department would stay local officials. If I may interrupt you we've talked to a number of nursing homes who say in this moment still. They lacked the resources that they need. So how do you explain that discrepancy? I can't speak to individual facilities response is as we've said many times it's locally executed its state manage and federally supported by. Abc's estimate at least ten thousand seniors have died in nursing homes in this country from this pandemic. How do you square that number with the notion that the federal government has done all the cat? That is not made mistakes. How how do those two things square? This is a very unprecedented situation. We've tried to take all of the data and the Science and the information we've put out a series of recommendations requirements we've gotten burdensome regulations out of the way so that nursing homes could gauge a strong response. We've had fema trying to provide those supplies in the needed things for nursing homes and you've seen state and local leaders do Some very extraordinary measures. Something that I'm still working to manage when I've talked to nurses doctors healthcare professionals people who are on the ground. I'm not had a single conversation where they've not said. I wish we would have done better in this regard. I'm struck at my conversation with you and when I hear these briefings from the White House I've not heard that spirit of of humility about perhaps you could have done more press. You could done things sooner. Why is that? I can only speak for myself and my team. Our team has been working night and day. We've taken unprecedented actions to cut regulations. You know at the end of the day. We all have to remember that. This virus was only known to mankind less than six months ago. I am grateful for your time. Thank you for taking all of my questions and coming up the sweetest social distancing birthday surprise off the copies are here for you and finally tonight puppy love during this pandemic Elizabeth Guthrie of Greensboro North. Carolina loves dogs so when she turned three this week. This surprise parade pooches family friends and neighbors make sure grows day extra special on these copies. Are here for you. Good for her. It was American photographer. Roger Charissa said dogs are not our whole life but they make our lives whole. That's nightline for this evening. Thanks for the company America. Good night so there's two guys. Business partners self made millionaires. They spend their time surfing under the California Sun and Living. The highlife in Las Vegas until one of them ends up dead. I'm Matt Gut men from. 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VW Accused of Defrauding Investors Over Emissions
"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash W. S J that's indeed dot com slash W. S j. With what's news? I'm Charlie Turner in New York for the Wall Street Journal Volkswagen has been hit with new fraud charges in the US over the diesel emissions scandal. We'll get details from the journals William Boston and Berlin. I hear some headlines we continue to follow the shooting massacre in New Zealand forty nine people were killed and many more injured in shootings, a two Musk's in the southern city of Christ Church on Friday in terrorist attacks, New Zealand's, Prime minister described as one of the darkest days in the country's history. A twenty eight year old man has been charged with murder and was scheduled to appear in Christ Church court on Saturday morning. Australian government officials identified him as Brendan Tarrant on Australian citizen a manifesto posted on his Facebook page around the time of the attacks claimed responsibility expressing white supremacist views, two other men and one woman who were armed were taken into custody as police trying to figure out whether there was more than one attacker and one was later determined not to be connected to the massacre. Seventeen minutes of video of the shooting was streamed live on Facebook. And the video was also shown on YouTube and Twitter, the college admissions bribery scheme revealed this week and a federal indictment has prompted lawmakers on Washington to consider policies that could curtail the influence of wealth in college admissions among those matters drawing. Washington's attention are the tax deductible status of donations to schools and binding early decision admissions among measures being considered Senator Ron Wyden. The top democrat on the Senate finance committee said this week he plans to introduce a Bill making donations to schools taxable. If the donor has children attending or applying to college Elon Musk's next bet an SUV for the masses musk. The CEO of tesla unveiled Thursday night. The model y compact sport utility vehicle with an eventual starting price of thirty nine thousand dollars the model y which Mr. musk hopes will begin production next year. We'll have a range of up to three hundred miles on a single charge and go from zero to sixty. Miles an hour in as fast as three and a half seconds. Mr. musk has said the crossover vehicle will be about ten percent bigger than the model. Three the mass market compact sedan that shares much of the same vehicle platform of its new sibling to reduce costs at high volume. Mr. musk made the announcement at an event near Los Angeles. Still ahead the US slaps new fraud charges against Volkswagen. Are you hiring with? Indeed, you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash W. S J that's indeed dot com slash W s j. Volkswagen remains embroiled in a major diesel emissions cheating scandal. The securities and Exchange Commission has charged the German car maker and its former CEO Martin Winterkorn with defrauding US investors in connection with the scandal. The SEC says VW raised billions of dollars while making a series of deceptive claims about the environmental impact of the company's clean diesel fleet. The Wall Street Journal's William Boston joins us via Skype from Berlin. Now, William what exactly does the S E C allege in its complaints. Well, this is the first complaint by the it comes after a an enormous settlement that VW agreed to in two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen where settling criminal charges with the department of Justice, the Environmental Protection Agency and a range of civil complaints in state complaints. VW has paid around twenty three to twenty five billion dollars in fines penalties and legal fees in the United States. And now the two years later, the SEC is coming with a new claim, basically tried to protect the interest of investors in this case, particularly bond investors, who the SEC claims were were sold a Bill of goods when VW between two thousand fourteen and two thousand fifteen sold around eight point three billion dollars worth of bonds and asset backed securities to investors. The key piece of information that was missing in those conversations with investors. According to the SEC was that at that time the vehicles that feed WSB business was based on contained illegal software that the company was cheating. And that once this was found out. There was going to be. Massive correction in the company's stock price, and that it would also face fines and prosecution, and this was a surprise move by the SEC coming on the heels of those civil and criminal settlements. Yeah. It comes very late as I said, it's, you know, two years more than two years after VW settled most claims in the United States and believed that it had put all of this behind it. And the SEC officials were privy to those meetings to those discussions early on. They've been discussing issues with folks wagging sense, then but it wasn't folks. Funding does not appear to have known that the. The criminal complaint was coming. But it didn't include a note in its annual report, which was published this week that said there was an ongoing investigation at the SEC. And so, you know, maybe folks fog new bit more than its saying today, but the news from the about the SEC investigation did come as a surprise to most people what kind of reparations does the SEC want from Volkswagen. Well, that's that's the big question is the individual fines seemed to be fairly small. But there is the provision that the SEC could come and say, well, look if you had if this information had been known, and if you were being above board with with investors when you were selling these bonds, the interest that you paid on these bonds would have been much higher. And so investors were cheated out of out of interest. And. Basically what they'll try to do is still trying to calculate some. Hypothetical profit that the that the company gained from the from selling these bonds undervalued and in order to try to determine what investors have lost and define will be based on a formula that will try to find out what that number is William let's go back Volkswagen in two thousand five wanted to launch a new push into the US auto market with a new generation of diesel engines, which was a niche market in the United States. But wasn't there a problem trying to comply with emissions rules and making clean diesel engines? Yes. And this is what the SEC is basing its claim on basically saying that in two thousand seven already VW's management. The former CEO Martin Winterkorn were involved in a number of meetings with their top engineers where they were aware that these engines were not performing properly that first of all the didn't meet. Emission standards in the United States. And so even with all the technology in. These diesel engines, they were not meeting emission standards in the United States. And Secondly, the engines appear to be running in two modes and offline and online mode or off cycle and on cycle mode. So there was it was already clear that there was some kind of. Performance during the test and performance after the test which diverged and then in two thousand fourteen a research group called the ICT with a cl- an environmental research group commissioned a West Virginia university to do as a study of group of vehicles and two of those vehicles were folks logging vehicles, and they found that the two diesel vehicles from Volkswagen had elevated diesel knocks emissions. Nitrogen oxide, kind of soot and toxic emissions diesel engines produce, and and that it was much higher than than usual, and that kind of kicked off a series of events that led to a long investigation by the EPA and a long cover up by people within VW, which is what VW ultimately pleaded guilty to write and the SEC as you write alleges that the clean diesel cheat. Was accelerated after Mr. Winterkorn became CEO in two thousand seven and you write that Mr. vendor Cornyn? Nearly a dozen former Volkswagen employees have been diverted by US attorneys. There are two former executives who've pleaded guilty, and they're in jail in the US, and apparently most of the people indicted or German citizens, and we can extradite them here. Right. Germany does not extradite its innocence. Alright William Boston, Wall Street Journal reporter in Berlin. Thank you very much for joining us. Thanks for having me. And that's what's news. I'm Charlie Turner in New York for the Wall Street Journal.
The Middle Men: Drug Prices and the (No Spoilers) Mueller Report
"It. It's Tuesday, April ninth. Welcome to skim this. We're breaking down the most complex stories of the day and giving you the context on why they matter today, we're talking about prescription drug prices and these guys called pharmacy benefit managers. They were in the hot seat today in congress. We'll explain how their rebates impact millions of patients across the country, then attorney general William Barr, testified before congress for the poorest time since he got the mullahs report, no spoilers, but we'll tell you what he said about the behind the scenes stuff. And finally, you think your taxes are a bit of a drama try being Megan Markle, we're here to make your Tuesday smarter. Let's skim this. Today's episode is brought to you by calm, the number one health app that helps you reduce your anxiety and stress plus improve your sleep. The big story today is about prescription drugs and about how and why the price of medications has gone through the roof Americans pay more per year for prescription drugs than any other developed country in the world and the costs keep rising today. The Senate finance committee hauled in executives from five big companies called pharmacy benefit managers. These are companies. You might have heard of like CVS, hell and Optum Rx part of United health insurance company, big drug companies and more and more members of congress on both sides of the aisle are blaming these pharmacy benefit managers or P B M's for drugs being so expensive. Senator Ron Wyden. Oregon says the PPM's were supposed to help consumers get a fair shake from big pharma what they actually are or middlemen who were raking in these profits while the drug prices soar into the stratosphere today. Five of them. Those pharmacy benefit managers said no surprise. It's not our fault. Prices are so high we're really here to help. So that's confusing. Why are these guys being blamed for high drug prices and not the prescription drug companies who make and sell the drugs who are these PPM 's that's what we're gonna talk about today. What are what role do they play in the high cost of prescription drugs? And how does what they do affect people in real life. So PBS are very powerful middleman in the healthcare industry. They got big back in two thousand and six when prescription drug coverage became a part of Medicare suddenly a huge portion of the population had prescription coverage through their insurance. So these PPM's came in to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies on behalf of Medicare. But also for private insurance companies basically ensures tell PB 'em something like find me the best deal on let's say insulin. And then the PBS go to all the drug companies to see which one will give the ensure the biggest discount on insulin. Technically, they call it a rebate. The word rebate is a key point here. This is where the role of PBS comes into play drunk companies wanna make money so instead of actually giving a rebate they Jack up. What's known as the list price, basically the sticker price, and then they offered the PB M'S a rebate, aka a discount. It's like if best buy and target and Costco, all tripled prices on flat screen TV's at the beginning of November. So that on black Friday, the sales prices would look amazing. That's what's going on here except not with TV's and headphones. It's about medicine. Lifesaving drugs like insulin or just meds that help with quality of life. For example, arthritis back in two thousand twelve a yearly prescription of the arth rightous struck Humira used to cost nineteen thousand dollars. Now. It's twice that. So jacking up prices is an issue. We'll get more into that in just a sec. But the other problem with the PB EMS is the way that they get paid. For many their commission isn't based on the final prices that they negotiate it's based on the discount that they negotiated which means the higher the jacked up price, the bigger that discount, the more the pharmacy benefit managers make. So they have no incentive to bring the list price down. And this is a bipartisan issue. The Trump administration has proposed a way to fix this problem. Cut out the middleman at least when it comes to people on Medicare and some Medicaid plans and make it sue drug manufacturers give these discounts directly to the patients. Some experts say this could make things better for consumers and set a new standard for the industry. But some in the industry say it can make things worse by weakening, the PBS who say they're negotiating for consumers. Because like we said that's their argument. They're getting good deals for their clients the insurance companies and their clients people with their insurance, but here's the catch. There's a ripple effect for everyone else around twenty eight million Americans who don't have health insurance or drug coverage and a lot of people who have high deductibles or who pay co-insurance when they're sick. They're paying that full jacked up list price for medicine if they can afford to which when it comes to life saving medicine like insulin for diabetics can mean a matter of life or death. So what's the skin? On a global level. The US is starting to look outside for prescription drugs. Some states are looking at options that would allow them to buy cheaper drugs from places like Canada on a national level. Some of these are taking the hint and trying to set limits on how much people are paying for things like insulin. Getting these costs down is a bipartisan concern, but this is also playing out as Republicans at the state level are fighting to get the Affordable Care Act overturned the required insurance companies to offer prescription drug coverage. If that happens more people will be impacted by these games for the time being Republicans in congress and President Trump say, they'll leave the ACA alone at least until after the twenty twenty elections because it's clear that access to healthcare is going to be a big issue for voters. On the other side of Capitol Hill today attorney general William bar finally spilled some tea on the mullahs report. That's next. Stress and anxiety can make you feel exhausted all day, but when it's time to go to bed it can feel impossible to fall asleep. Calm the number one health app can help their premium subscription includes guided meditations, relaxing sounds and sleep stories to help you get shot. I right now skim this listeners get twenty five percent off a calm premium subscription at com dot com slash skim. Get unlimited access to all of coms content today at com dot com slash skim. Get calm and stop stressing. Attorney general William bar was on Capitol Hill today to present his budget to a house appropriations subcommittee and to chat about stuff like the opioid epidemic immigration judges and counterintelligence. But of course, the general we could not hold this hearing. Without mentioning the elephant in the room. And I'm not referring to my colleagues on the other side. That elephant congressman Jose Serrano is talking about is special counsel Robert Muller's three hundred or so page report about Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election and the Trump campaign it's on bard's desk. He sent a four page skim to congressional leaders last month his summary. Yes. Russia tried to influence the two thousand sixteen election. No, the Trump campaign did not collude with Russia. And no, President Trump did not obstruct Justice. But that last one he said is not actually according to Muller, it's bar and his deputy AG. Rod Rosenstein interpretation of the report that's been a big bone of contention. Today was the first time bar spoken about it to congress since he wrote that appropriations committee chair Nita Lowey said his cliff notes did not do it for her. All we have this your four page summary, which seems to cherry pick from the report to draw the most favored. Conclusion possible for the president. So what answers did he give today? I bar said he's going to release the mother report in the next week. So everyone can read Muller's conclusions. But and this is a big, but he said there are going to be reductions he wrote this in the letter before, but he laid it out again, he's going to take out any information that came from grand juries, anything that could reveal intelligence sources or methods information that could interfere with ongoing prosecutions and anything that implicates the privacy of people who weren't charged in the investigation all of that will be crossed out here's bar, but I am relying on my own discretion to make as much public as I can. But it won't all be blacked out far says he's going to color code the redaction. So lawmakers will know which information we can't see is from grand jury. And which information we can't see has to do with another prosecution bars working with a special counsel's office on that. Coating so that'll be a fun art project. Apparently, the attorney general and the special counsel have been hanging out for a while Barr. Says that his deputies had been overseeing the special counsel. So they had an inkling about what was going to be in the report, and then a few weeks before Muller handed over his report Barr says they met to talk about the report when it came out Barr says he asked Muller if you wanted to read the summary letter before he sent it out. But that Muller didn't it. Other than all that. There were no real Muller reports spoilers bar is scheduled to testify about the full report. Once it's out, which is like we said supposed to happen within the next week. What else is happening within the next week you finishing your taxes? We've got a story to make you feel better about your tax burden up next. Tax day is less than a week away. But that's not just a headache for normal people. Even the British royals are stressed out by the IRS this year, especially mother to be Megan Markle, the retired American actress became a British duchess less than a year ago, but she's still a US citizen. As a US citizen Margot has to pay taxes. And that means she has to report big bucks in foreign Bank accounts and assets over two hundred thousand dollars and gifts from foreigners like the ones. She got from the Queen for her wedding Markle will have to declare all of that. And her shared income with her husband Prince, Harry the royals are notoriously private about their money. Now for the first time they could be scrutinized by the IRS. And it's not just Megan Harry. There could come at any minute newborn. We'll also have to pay because it will be a US citizen by birth. So until Megan's baby gives up its US citizenship a silver rattle. A pretty pony for your birthday a trust fund. Get ready to cough up those receipts wanna make sure your taxes. Don't give you a headache out the skims guy to all things taxes at the skim dot com slash skim money taxes. Before we go today. We've got a fun fact coming to you from the North Pole. 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NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals
"This message comes from NPR sponsor xfinity. Some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like Xfinity X. by get get fast speeds. Even when everyone is online working to make WIFI simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply a new report from Senate Democrats tells us more about the relationship between the National Rifle Association and Russia leading up to the two thousand sixteen elections it says the NRA eight was quote a foreign asset to Moscow that conclusion raises questions about the organization's tax exempt status NPR's Tim Mack was one of the first to see this report and he is here here in the studio. Hi Tim Hey there what is foreign asset mean in this context what did the NRA do. According to this report well according to this report they facilitated access for two Russian nationals else named Maria Bettina and Alexander torsion. They've been in the news a lot. Marie Boutin is currently imprisoned. Alexander torsion was her boss. What are the NRA do what we're talking about. Here is taking a look at the mission mission of Maria Boutin and Alexander torsion what were they trying to do in the United States and they were trying to expand their influence at the behest of the Russian government and and how did the NRA play a role they helped facilitate Marine Patina Alexander Torch access to numerous events and organizations in the United States they help up pay for their travel at times to some of these events and organizations and they supported them by connecting them to various political figures throughout the country and key to this report is is the assertion that the NRA news at the time that Maria Boutin Alexander torsion were working on behalf of the Kremlin write the report shows that Bettina and Alexander torsion or not shy shy about saying that they had links with the Kremlin and that folks in the NRA were aware of this link and simply did not find that to be important one. The central events in this report is a trip to Moscow that some NRA officials took tell us about it well so there was this trip back in two thousand fifteen and the NRA has maintained for a very long time that this was not an NRA delegation that it was just some NRA figures happened to go on this trip but the interviews done by the committee show that the the NRA was intimately involved in organizing the trip preparing travel visas preparing briefing documents so it wasn't just individuals. It was the organization nations. The organization was part of the planning and execution of the trip from beginning to end does that create legal problems for the National Rifle Association which is a tax exempt organization initiation. It may especially since a lot of the folks who went on that trip to Russia. These e mails show that the primary reason that they went was to benefit their own private businesses. Mrs Unrelated to the National Rifle Association. How would that play out like. What would the process be? The reason why it would be a threat to the national rifle solicitation is that it is a tax exempt organization and tax exempt organizations are not allowed to use their resources to the personal benefit of its officials and it's not on allowed to use its funds to do things well outside its stated goals and it's not clear what a trip to Russia for the personal private business business interests of NRA figures would have to do with the tax exempt mission of the National Rifle Association. VIS report was led led by Democratic Senator Ron Wyden. It was written by the Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee. What are the Republicans San Well. They think this is totally overblown. That Democrats on the committee have taken emails males and interviews and made a much bigger deal of the facts than what the facts will ultimately allow the big picture and they also say that you know we're talking thousands of dollars here and the National Rifle Association is an organization that takes in hundreds of millions of dollars every year in revenue so this is a very small issue and that the the NRA's tax exempt status is not at risk here because this is a small thing in a larger context any response from an IRA today so the NRA has said that this is a politically motivated contrived narrative that this report today is being done to embarrass the National Rifle Association William Breweries the council to the NRA he said that the report goes to great lengths to quote try to involve the NRA in activities of private individuals and create the false impression that the NRA did not act appropriately. Nothing could be further from the truth. That's what the lawyer for the NRA said and it's also worth noting that the NRA is continuing to insist despite the evidence that the committee has put together that the trip to Moscow was not an official NRA trip NPR's Tim. Thank connects lot. This message comes from NPR sponsor comcast. Business Giga fueled network solutions that help businesses go beyond the expected to do the extraordinary comcast business beyond fast learn more at comcast business dot com.
Sen. Chuck Grassley
"People think we just pass laws appropriate money. Then you forget about it. No, you're part of the checks and balances the government. And then you gotta make sure that the president Republican or democrat faith on the execute those laws. I'm Dan diamond this pulse. Check. And that was Senator Chuck Grassley the longtime Iowa Republican sitting down with me on Monday afternoon. As of this month Senator Grassley is again, head of the Senate finance committee where he's poised to be one of Washington's most important players on healthcare this week. He's kicking off the committee's look at drug prices. And we discussed those efforts his approach to oversight and more heads up that we were sitting in the senator's office on Capitol Hill. So here's some background noise, including the clock chime and check the show notes for links to what the Senator and I discussed from his policy positions to his old tweets. Just a reminder that if you like pulse check, you can help us by rating or viewing the show on your favorite podcast app. Search for politico pulse. Check and their previous episodes. With some Senator Grassley colleagues. Senator Bill Cassidy senators using. Hollins center. Lamar Alexander just look in the archives. You can find those episodes to and with that. Here's my conversation. With Senator Chuck Grassley Senator Chuck Grassley. Welcome to politico. Pulse. Check. Hey, I'm glad to be with you anytime. I get a chance to communicate when my constituents that's what Representative government's all about. And I hope they communicate back. All you're always communicating. You have so many different paths from from sitting down with someone like media using social media, which we will get to. But I wanted to start with this. It's a new congress. You have a number of new responsibilities including your president pro tempore of of the Senate. This is significant responsibility or fourth in line now for succession to the president. I'm curious what in your realm of new responsibilities has been most interesting or surprising to you. As president pro tem. I think the number of duties that the code requires that really has not a lot of discretion. It's mostly ministerial. Title or maybe say ceremonial, but really if you summed it up, the president of the Senate is the vice president United States, but as you probably know in the last seventy years, I think starting with Nixon when he was vice president vice presidents haven't presided over the Senate or be involved in the Senate very much except for vote breaking ties and in ceremonial things. So I like to summit up that president pro tem outside of being in presidential succession, does whatever the president of the United States or the vice president of the United States does as president Senate only you do it when he's not here, which is about ninety nine percent of the time. Does your staff now call you Mr President behind closed doors? No. No, they call me. Chuck, I I'm not at that level. So have to refer to you. As Senator Grassley, your chairman again for the third time of the Senate finance committee after giving up leadership of the judiciary committee. I'm curious why you decided to come back. Did you feel like there's unfinished business? Yeah. It's because of the silly rules of the Republican caucus when you be when you use up your six years of being chairman of a committee. Then you can't be ranking member for six years, or whatever you have left to be. So I've used up my six years being chairman of the finance committee. I haven't used up my six years being ranking member of judiciary. So I spend two years the last two years of a six-year obligation for finance. So if we're in the minority twenty one and twenty two I can still be ranking member judiciary. Now, I could also choose to be chairman or ranking member of budget. But I'm not sure that that interests me, the judiciary committee also had a lot of circus like hearings the past couple of years. You presided over the judge Cavanaugh hearing was that a factor at all in thinking about moving back over to finance. No, no one factor. That is true of judiciary. Not true. Finance almost every Thursday. You have an executive hearing or army executive meeting. So you do legislation or do nominations, the the finance committee has executive sations but not on a regular basis. And so I think that I can spend more time on hearings where I had to share here is so many hearings than judiciary committee with other members of the committee. So I could do all the other responsibilities. I have particularly meeting with islands when they're in Washington. I'll have more flexibility now being chairman of finance thinking about finance, you famously partnered with democrat Senator Max Baucus for years, the two of you switching off his committee head, and and ranking member do you think you'll have a similar relationship in report with Senator Ron Wyden, the current democrat who's ranking member on the committee, everything that I've done Ryan Wyden. And so far, but a lot of it outside the finance committee. We've had we've worked very well together. And I'm starting out this year that will be able to work together. But you remember between two thousand one and two thousand nine the political environment than not so ideologically divided at the grassroots of America is much more ideologically divided the grassroots. So I think congress represents said ideological divide, and I believe that just the realities of politics twenty eighteen twenty nineteen make it more difficult to duplicate the very close working relationship that I had with Max Baucus because every bail, but maybe two or three that got out of committee. Or bipartisan, the only one I can remember is ObamaCare that got out a committee that wasn't bipartisan, and and we've had played more division even under Senator hatches chairmanship in recent years than normally what you'd have. But that's got nothing to do with Biden an eye getting long or not getting along. That's just kind of the reality of the political situation in America today reflected then in the congress will then thinking maybe beyond Senator Wyden, your committee has taken up drug pricing issues. You and Senator Wyden have worked somewhat on drug pricing already. But it's more than just the two of you. And on the committee. There's some Democrats really are aggressive about what they wanted to drug pricing. And there are some Republicans who don't seem all that interested in doing much at all how do you view your role? How are you going to bring them together as committee chairman to do something on drug pricing? I think is going to be very easy. I think almost on anything except a democrat effort to have the government dictate prices. I'm a free market person. I'm chairman when part d was passed. I was chairman during part d when when even Kennedy was against the government, the government, dictating pricing ago, stating prices, and so I come from an area where we wanted to give seniors maximum opportunity of choice. We didn't want the government establishing limits on formularies. And we wanted to a whole lot of different plans, not just one plan. So we set this up and the success of party is majored by the fact that it's the only president pro the only government program. I've. Ever been involved in that has come in way under budget, and I mean way under budget. And so except for that issue. I think that we can do a lot of things together. Now. I do believe that there are some things wrong with part d and I would use the word I'm going to be looking at modernizing party. But it would come up short of the government negotiating prices way. What do you think is wrong with party not enough transparency transparency brings accountability? Why should we have so much secrecy like we have with PBMR's? Why should we have drug prices at cost thousand dollars a month? But maybe if you talk to us, we can give them to you free. Kind of the principle that shouldn't we have one price and everybody pay the same price. What what's what what's wrong with putting on television, the price of a drug if if if the law requires you to tell air all the side effects? This was an effort that you're you're office help lead last year the idea to put drug prices in with Durban. So another by partisan thing, we got going there. But I think transparency brings a count ability, and you know, there's let the market work. But shouldn't the public know what the market is doing? So the red line here is the government getting involved in like negotiating prices. You think that that is not what the government should be doing? When you have the success of party that we've had of premiums being. Premiums aren't any higher today than we we were frayed if we started out with something more than thirty five dollars. We wouldn't get people to join the program and that's fifteen years ago. And we still aren't up at point yet. Do you have personal experience either you or your family members with hype drug prices as that one reason why you might be inclined to take action here? I can't say so but for my constituents I've heard so much about it. And not only that it isn't just what the price is today. It's what the price was yesterday. And my God is gone up five hundred percent overnight. You know, you kind. There's nothing wrong with the marketplace working. In fact, that's what you want. But does that sound like the marketplace will I'm curious do you think that's because there are a few bad actors who are driving up prices? Or is this a system wide problem that needs deep? Reforms the lack of transparency, it's a system-wide problem from the standpoint of what might be justified with a particular company. I'd have to look at that particular company to come to a particular conclusion. So that's why we are starting our hearings, and we're going to have a lot of hearings on drug pricing. And by the way, these hearings and talking to Senator Wyden as you asked me previously. I think this is one place where he and I can ever very close working relationship. The pharma industry has been worried about drug pricing coming from Capitol Hill drug pricing efforts. They've been less worried about the finance committee than some of the democrat led house committees. And the industry has shrugged at times. Here's here's a note from industry group tau in Washington research group, quote SFC chair Grassley lease out drug pricing agenda that won't scare drugmakers. What's your reaction? To that. Well, I'm not out to scare anybody. I'm just out to have transparency. So the so that the public can look at something said this is reasonable or this is on reasonable. And what you quoted were they saying they don't have anything to worry about Chuck Grassley is that what they said more or less. Okay. I think I showed my callers on pay for delay and creates as an example to pieces allegedly doesn't have to be in the committee. I'm chairman of. But I was chairman of that committee, and we move creates out of committee sixteen to five when last drug pricing question. You mentioned the hearings that are kicking off this week on Tuesday. You're going to have a lot of drug pricing hearings over your time leading this committee. Where'd you need to get too wet wet needs to come out of this committee over the next two years? Well, I again, you've heard me say at twice one simple word transparency. But I'm I don't want to lead your listeners, the believe that when I say transparency is sounds pretty simple is going to be tough to get that. At because I think the secrecy. We have now or the lack of transparency is something that that allows the the shenanigans that we read about every day to go forth, but transparency brings accountability. But I don't want. Those two words to be thinking that that's where I'm going to stop. But that's kind of a common denominator kind of a common sense common denominator, shifting gears a bit to an area that you have pushed transparency on hospitals when you were leading the Senate finance committee when you were ranking member I remember this because I was a hospital consultant at the time you were pushing regulations to make not for profit hospitals demonstrate that they deserved that status. Their hospital executives were really worried about you back, then should hospital leaders be worried. Now, are you going to revisit any of those hospital regulations? I don't know whether I would say that I'm gonna visit particular regulations, but I'm going to in oversight work. And then what that leads to? I don't know. But through oversight work. I intend to make sure that nonprofit hospitals meet their nonprofit responsibilities and that is to serve people. They can't pay for their their services. What about high bills surprise Bill? Some of that has gotten attention on media the past couple of years. I think that's another place where you get transparency. You can apply the same principle to the local pharmacists that thinks he can charge such and such for a drug maybe in October at the end of getting near the end of the year. He gets a big Bill. He's gotta pay the B PBS back a lot of money. Why the big surprise? I don't understand it. I I've always wondered this about you Senator I've heard you speak about transparent. See accountability oversight investigations at talk to your staff about oversight driven legislation. Was there a moment in your career where this all crystallized for you where you realized this is how I want to be as a Senator. These are the things I'm going to use on in nineteen eighty three. I went to the defense department to get some information on cost overruns. And I wanted to see a civil servant by the name of Chuck Spinney. That was in the the expert on this. I was met by a doctor shoo who was speaking for secretary Weinberger that said, well, I'll talk to you. But we can't have you talked to the civil servants. I said I wanna see Chuck Spinney you can come if you want to. So they I couldn't see Chuck Spinney. So let me see if a civil servant interesting. I went back to Capitol Hill and Weinberger called me up. Said we Republicans can't rely on these civil servants. This is the Defense Secretary out Reagan now, and I said, I'm going to get Chuck Spinney one way or the other and within three weeks or so we had a joint meeting of the of the budget committee and the Armed Services Committee in the Russell caucus room with eight television cameras, and I don't know whether five hundred people or three hundred people were watching and we had Chuck Spinney there, and we got the testimony we wanted and Monday morning. Chuck Spinneys face was on the cover time magazine. So that's why I decided, you know, you don't mess around with these people and ever since then you've been doing your oversight driven investigations, not only that, but it's a constitutional responsibility. You know, people think we just pass laws appropriate money. Then you forget about it. No, you're part of the checks and balances the government. And then you gotta make sure that the president Republican or democrat faithfully execute those laws. I heard you giving a floor speech on this last week when you're accepting your your role as president pretend he said, quote by conducting oversight and investigations, we hold the executive branch responsible to taxpayers. No matter which party is in power. How do you plan to hold the Trump administration accountable? I hope of already done it within the first month. He was in office. He sent a letter around or no they issued an edict that they're only going answer letter for committee chairman. We'll look at between the house and senators about forty or fifty committee chairman, what are you going to do about the other four hundred and eighty five years aren't forget about them. They're not entities. So we wrote him a seven page letter within a couple of weeks. They were up here. Talking to us. Maybe they came up to talk out of our position we talked to him for maybe an hour. A couple a couple months later the issued another letter saying that they were going to answer. Questions were any member of congress, and that has established your willingness to push you think on the Trump administration. You know, in fact, when I do when we have a Republican president, my colleagues say, well, why would you raise these questions with a Republican president doesn't matter where the ever Republican presidents are democrat breath. We style got the same constitutional responsibility to make sure that the laws are. Executed the way we intend him one more oversight. Question Senator Wyden has pushed on the border separation policy by the Trump administration. You raise concerns on this last year to finance has jurisdiction over HHS. Are you going to hold any hearings on border separations not as of now, but I wouldn't say I wouldn't. But I did hold hearings on that when I was chairman of the judiciary committee. He did wrapping up because I know time is precious. You've been famously on Twitter for years, and your first tweet was from November two thousand seven that was before I tweeted that's before a lot of reporters. I knew tweeted near two thousand twelve tweet assumed dear dead is one of the the all time classics of the political genre. I know you've talked about being on Twitter and reaching your constituents. Why did you decide to get on so early for the same reason I decided to have satellite communication with my constituents on public television from here they could call in or questions? I same reason that maybe my staff, I don't remember this. But my staff was said, I was one of the first senators make use of the fax machine. Now, you don't even want to fax machine is. Museums or or or doctors offices, actually in other words, I hold town means like, you know, and each one of the ninety nine counties every Cuban a whatever you can do to get your message out, whatever you can do to encourage constituents to react to what you have dialogue is the essence of Representative government and Twitter's just one way of getting some dial. Like, I guess what I'm curious about was was there Senator Chuck Grassley at eleven o'clock at night logging onto Twitter did a staff member tell you about it or or. Yeah, you there's no way what ten years ago, even at age seventy five I'm not sure I'd be alerted to it. But but I like it now. And I'm glad some staffers was inventive enough to get me on it. There are they're the same ones that got me on the fax machine. Maybe generational a little different. There are younger members of. Grice who are turning to social media following in her footsteps beta or rock, a Instagram has dental cleaning. Alexandria, Cossio Cortez is on social media. Let are you planning to to Instagram your dental cleaning, do do you have any advice for these younger members since June trying to age the most I'm trying to do along that line? I'm trying to educate them about farming. Because two percent of the people in this feed the other ninety eight percent, so people need to know something about farming and appreciate it. So you can watch my corn watch as an example. That's it's hot social twenty three weeks of go back and look at each one of them. So you can find out how corn goes from putting seed in the ground to put an in at the local elevator. Senator I promise you we will include links to that in our in our show notes for this podcast last question. We were talking about this before we started recording. You were elected to the Senate in nineteen eighty you have had this job as long as I've been alive. Now, I've talked to your colleagues we even talked a little bit about this too about the golden age of congress feels like. It's passed. Was there a window in your thirty eight years in the Senate where you felt like things were were great because even ten years ago, there were certainly a lot of partisanship. It's a lot different now. Then when I came, but it the evolution happened. So slowly, maybe a little faster in the last ten years that it's hard for me to give you a window. I could give you a window on judges becoming so controversial. But generally speaking, it's kind of like, you know, you put a frog and cold water heated up to a boil and they die. But you throw them in the boiling water. They jump out it happened. So slowly that I I wouldn't want to say you talk about the frog in the boiling water. How does the water get cooled down? Is it even possible at this point? It's got to be possible for all. I don't think the country's going to be is ideal. Divided as grassroots forever. Like it is now. And if you would expect congress to be a reflection of the grass roots, you shouldn't be surprised when the coasts are blue and the center of the state country is bright red that congresswoman reflect that defeat like that frog in the boiling water. Well. I hope that that things change. I do I want people to see things that in America. We tend to get to the Middle East eventually. We're we still have to get to the middle or nothing's going to get done. The only thing is it's a little tougher to get to the middle today than it has been. Well, Senator Chuck Grassley, we will watch you in the drug pricing hearings and see if you can make it to the middle there. Thanks so much for your time. Thank you. That's it for this episode of pulse. Jack. My thanks Senator Chuck Grassley and his team he made time to sit down after months of me, bugging them. New Colorado Rigas, Sarah over mall and gave show on our side for producing the show. You can find pulse. Check off your favorite podcast apps research for politico pulse. Check can find me at Di diamond at politico dot com by Email. You can find a new episode of politico pulse. Check in your podcast player. Very soon.
Trump says he's written answers to Mueller's questions; source says lawyers balked at questions on post- 2016 election activity; CNN: Russian trolls indicted by Mueller for alleged election interference still operating; At least 600 missing in California
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Is it a sign more heads are about to roll and dumpster fire? The husband of top presidential aide, Kellyanne Conway uses colorful, and course, language to describe what he thinks of the Trump administration. We're going to hear him in this first interview, I'm wolf Blitzer? You're in the situation. Room. This is CNN breaking news. We're following breaking news. President Trump saying he's now answered written questions from the special counsel, Robert Muller. But a source is telling CNN that the president's lawyers took issue with questions about the transition period after the twenty sixteen election and tonight, the president is threatening to write rules of decorum for White House reporters after a federal judge appointed by Mr. Trump sided with CNN and ordered the White House to reinstate the press past of our chief White House correspondent, Jim Mukasey. I'll talk about that much more with Senator Ron Wyden of the intelligence committee and our correspondents analysts specialists are also standing by first let's begin with those two stories coming out of the White House tonight. Our chief media correspondent Brian Stelter, steady by with details on the federal judge's order and CNN's lawsuit against the administration. But first, let's go to our chief White House. Correspondent Jim Acosta who's reporting from the White House north lawn right now, Jim. Even though the president and his team have spent months negotiating and reviewing Muller's questions. He says they weren't difficult to answer. That's right. Well, President Trump revealed today that he's already answered a list of questions from special counsel Robert Muller's team in the president all but accused molar Anna's investigators of setting a trap. Predicting that the Russian investigation is winding down President Trump claimed he's been hard at work crafting ridden responses to questions coming from special counsel, Robert Muller's team president made a point of adding he's writing the answers himself. It didn't take very long and they were my inches. I don't need lawyers to do that. Now, you need lawyers for submittal union lawyers to go over some of the Angie's, but they're not very difficult questions in jam two molar. The president also suggested the questions posed by the special counsel's office were designed to trip him up. I write the answers by Louis show. Right answers answers. I was asked a series of questions I've answered the very easily raise. I'm sure they're tricked up because you know, they like to catch people g you know, with the weather sunny or was it raining. He said it may have been good day. It was raining. Therefore, he told a lie he perjured himself. Okay. So you have always be careful when you answer questions with people that probably have bad. Engines signaling he thinks the Russian destination is coming to an end. He pushed back on reports that the looming outcome of the probe is putting him in a sour mood as far as I'm concerned. I like to take everything personally because you knew better that way, the the witch hunt does I call it should never have taken place. It continues to go on. I mean, it's ending now from what I hear. It's ending one of the president's chief critics prominent DC attorney, George Conway husband of White House counselor Kellyanne Conway revealed why he never joined the Trump administration in a podcast with Yahoo news watching this name. And you know, it's like the administration is like shit show. In a dumpster fire. President may have other staffing issues on his mind. I also want to thank secretary of homeland security cures to Nielsen much of Washington betting that homeland security secretary Kirsten Nielsen will be the next cabinet member to leave the administration, the president sounded as if some high profile. Archers are coming soon. He made that clear with Nielsen in the Oval Office. I'm extremely happy. I'm very happy. With almost all of my cabinet and changes are made because they're always made especially after midterms. But there was some of the White House who seemed indicate they aren't all that happy with the president like supreme court Justice, Ruth, Bader Ginsburg who appeared to turn away when Mr. Trump spoke at a medal of freedom event. Just as Ginsberg pledged to see you feeling great. Was at that event where the president honored Antonin Scalia and noted the late supreme court justices large family of nine children to his widow. You a very busy. Wow. Blah. I always knew I liked him. And the president is traveling to California this weekend to look at the devastation left from the wildfires in that state. The president has blamed that devastation on poor forest management practices by local officials there. Expect those local officials though to push back on that. They believe the president is wrong on that wolf. All right. Tim cost our chief White House correspondent reporting tonight from the White House. Jim, thanks, very very much. Let's get some more in the federal court order that allowed Jim to return to the White House. Chief media correspondent, Brian Stelter has details Brian how consequential is the federal judges ruling today. This was a big round one win for CNN and for Kosta wolf, but it was just round one. And we don't know how many more rounds. This legal fight is going to go. Judge Timothy j Kelly issued a temporary restraining order which forced the White House to return Costa's heart pass, and as we just saw there. He's now back in his post where he belongs. But judge Kelley said he was only showing a narrow ruling. This was not a ruling. That found that a cost his first amendment rights were being violated. Instead Kelly said that it costs US Fifth amendment right to do process had been violated by the Trump administration last week. The judge indicated that CNN and Akasa would be likely to prevail in an overall case, and that's a very important detail going forward because the White House now has to decide how many more rounds at wants to go as for the ruling today, and we heard from judge Kelley with some critical words for White House press secretary, Sarah Sanders, one of the six defendants in this case, he said that when Sanders came out last week and said that Kosta inappropriately touched a White House intern that was likely untrue. Of course, the evidence the video evidence contradicted zander's. And it was notable to hear a Trump appointed judge point out the press secretary's falsehood. It was also notable that Kelly said the White House never even revealed who made the decision to revoke the press pass in the first place. He said it was quote shrouded in mystery the assumption. Of course, is that President Trump did it that he was angry new decided to take his anger out on a cost. But the fact that we don't even know how it happened last week shows that a cost us for due process rights is fifth amendment rights were violated. So that is why the judge this morning issued the temporary restraining order gave that pass back to Jim Mukasa. And we'll frankly this was a day like we've never seen in White House press corps history. That's a good point today. The president reacted by saying the White House officials will just leave if they don't want to answer questions from reporters. What's the White House plan going for? That's right now, we don't know exactly what the White House plans to do next. There is another hearing scheduled next week. The the lawyers will be back in the court talking about next steps talking about possible hearings in the future. It does seem to me. The White House may be seeking a resolution to this case, though, maybe it will try to settle out of court. And here's what President Trump said going forward, if they don't listen to the rules and regulations will end up back in court, and we'll win, but more importantly. We'll just leave. And then you won't be very happy. Newgate good ratings for the president. Also said there needs to be decor at the White House. Good behavior decorum. He said I think that comment from the president is its own punchline speaks for itself. But as for CNN's position attorney Boutros said to me CNN would like a resolution in this case, we're not looking to stay in court and continue fighting if there's a settlement we would be interested in that. However, he said CNN will continue to litigate for as long as is necessary. If the White House tries to put in strange or excessive new regulations or rules, if the White House tries to keep kicking reporters out CNN will head straight back to court. Well, Brian tell us filter. Thanks very much coming up. I'll speak with the lawyer representing CNN in this case Ted Boutrous that's coming up here in the situation room. Let's dig deeper now on President Trump's response to written questions from the special counsel, Robert Muller, our crime and Justice reporters, she has his working this part of the story for Shimon today, the president called Muller's questions and I'm quoting him. Now, not very. Difficult. We know that the questions were the result of months of negotiations between Muller and the president's legal team. If they're so easy to answer. Why hasn't the president turn them in you? Right. That's a great question. Wolf in terms of when you think about the fact that it's taken them nearly a year to answer some of these questions to respond to some of the investigation that the Robert Muller and the special counsel have ongoing. Oh, you know, one of the things that certainly some of the folks some of the folks here hearing are on our team is that they are concerned with some of the questions, and that they don't have anything to do with the have to do with maybe there's executive privilege in that. Some of these questions of president doesn't have to answer because they have to do with the transition the other thing and more importantly is that really is that the lawyers the lawyers representing the president don't exactly know what Muller is up to. What is the next move here? And they could be concerned with what's about to come. And so they want to wait before they submit some of these questions whether. Not there are any indictments. And obviously one of the biggest concerns for the lawyers is that the president may not be telling the entire truth here. And so, of course, they're worried about that issue because the president could be perjuring himself. The president said he answered bowlers questions and not his lawyers could that declaration potentially be problematic for the president. No. Because usually what happens is whether it's lawyers are, right. The answer is whether it's actually a person, oh who the questions are being posed to by by the FBI by the US attorney. It doesn't really matter because it's going to be weighed in the same way. So that if he is lying if anything there is proven to be on true. He could potentially face some kind of quantum consequence. As a result of that. Let me turn to another interesting twist in all of this quotes actually could be tied to the Miller case WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange may be facing criminal charges here in the United States. But we only know that because of a clerical error made by the Justice department Shimon, what are you? Learning and could this be tied to Muller's prob-? Yeah. And it's a major blunder hair. Certainly you have national security lawyers. The eastern district of Virginia who essentially accidentally kept Julian Assange name in court documents that had nothing to do with him. This was a different case nothing to do with Julian Assange, they were using a template. It seems a four something that they were filing that was to keep sealed essentially what they probably did in the Julian Assange case, and what they wrote in this court document is that the complaint supporting affidavit and a wh- arrest warrant as well as the motion and the proposed order would need to remain sealed until Assange is arrested in connection with the chargers and the criminal complaint and can therefore no longer evade or avoid arrest and extradition in this matter. Now, we'll this has to do with the eastern district of Virginia. There doesn't appear to be any connection to the Robert Muller investigation. But we know from what Robin Muller has been asking of. People associated to Roger stone that WikiLeaks Julian Assange isn't across hairs of this investigation. And the while he may not be facing charges related to Russia investigation or other things out of the eastern district Virginia he could still be facing charges out of the district here in Washington DC with a Muller grand jury sitting point. All right Shimon. Thank you. She broke a peasant reporting. Let's get some more on all of this. Joining us. Now democratic Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon as a member of the intelligence committee. Senator thanks so much for coming in Q. Let's talk a little bit about the president. He says now he hasn't submitted his response yet in writing to the written questions from the special counsel. Even though he said, they were not very difficult. He said the questions were not very difficult, but they still have responded. They haven't filed the formal response. What does that say to you? That says to me that there's still more stonewalling. Look what we have seen. You saw the president, for example, give a long interview. This week to the daily caller. He said he installed Whitaker because he was mad about Muller as the acting. Attorney gerard. It sounds like the same thing that happened with with Kony's. So I just wish that the president would focus on his job rather than trying to prevent long fourth from doing their the president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani said yesterday said some of the questions in his words, create more issue's Russ legally than others you've been looking and your colleagues on the intelligence committee, very closely into the whole issue of collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign you've been looking at that now for more than a year when when he talks about creating issues for the president. What do you think he's referring to first of all Bob Muller has always done everything by the book, this whole idea that he is just looking for potential perjury traps? I mean, this is a war veteran. He's worked for Democrats. He worked his work for. Republicans. He doesn't have press conferences. And I just think that if you look at his track record, you can thought weekly doesn't buy the book, and I don't buy this idea. The spends his nights just looking for ways to find perjury traps. You believe it's significant that the Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, who's pleaded guilty as you don't as cooperation with their mother Muller team has been going on. It's now been extended for another ten days, and we just heard about this a few minutes ago, and of course, being professionally as Bob Muller doesn't leak why he might be be doing that. Again. I want to focus on the central question, which is making sure that Bob Muller can do his job. The president is not above the law all of these things even like the interview with the daily caller really sounds like the president is trying to find ways to undermine Bob Muller. That's my focus and making sure you can do that work. I wanna play for you a clip this. Mike pompeo. He's now the secretary of state, but in April of twenty seventeen he was the CIA director, and he said this of WikiLeaks Julian Assange organization, this is what he said about WikiLeaks. Listen to this. It's time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia, so if Russia is using WikiLeaks as what he calls a non-state hostile intelligence service. And then WikiLeaks is making information available to individuals with ties to the Trump campaign is that what they're looking for. Now is that some sort of collusion, you think that Muller and his team are looking to to the extent Assange was acting as a tool of a hostile foreign intelligence agency. He may well have committed a crime, look, the collusion issue is far from resolved. If you look at Donald Trump junior's comments in that now infamous, meaning there is no question in my mind. Will that there was an intent to collude? He said that in the emails, so you think that there was collusion is that what you're saying. I said there was in that Email if you just read the actual Email itself there was a clear intent to collude. So I don't think the collusion issues are resolved. We have matters going on with respect them rea- boot Tina today potential settlements. She was the Russian who in effect with indicted for using the NRA infiltrate our democracy. She was a college student. She went and set up a shell company in in South Dakota. You don't have very many college students set up shell companies in South Dakota with NRA operatives, for instance, purposes, we know there's a lot going on. We anticipate some answers from Muller and his team fairly soon. Senator thanks so much again. Appreciate it. Very much up next the Russian for them that attacked the 2016 election here in the United States is now back in business. We have CNN exclusive. 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Now, CNN exclusive disturbing new information tonight about the operation behind the unprecedented. Russian cyber attack on the twenty sixteen US presidential election. Our senior international correspondent Fred play has details for us. Fred the Russians have regrouped and are added apparently again. Yeah, they certainly are wolf despite being diverted by the Muller investigation. This troll outfit that we're talking about. He's now better-funded more sophisticated and also more persistent that has ever been before. Here's what we found. The Russian troll factory once known as the internet research agency is still up and running now operating various new legal entities under the name project. Ladda according to a US criminal complaint tonight CNN has obtained video this flashy business center in Saint Petersburg, where several of project Latina's us firms are now apparently working and project Lakhta is putting down more cash to harm America company. Financial records in the US criminal complaint, reviewed by CNN shoe, huge budget increases since two thousand thirteen and especially in twenty eighteen around six hundred fifty million rubles almost ten million dollars in the first six months of this year alone, though, prosecutors say not all of that money goes to operations targeting. The US is essential to look at these efforts as consistent and persistent as opposed to they rally around. A specific geopolitical events or an election the way that they actually gain influence is by talking to these specific populations over a period of time, a former employee we're not meaning out of safety concerns. Tell C N project lock does operatives constantly create new online identities using special tools called a non misers along with virtual private networks and Varian cloud services to mask, their origin. I don't think there's anything that we have established at this point. That's going to fundamentally deter them from continuing this kind of operation because frankly, it's been pretty successful. According to the criminal complaint project is part of a sprawling business empire controlled by this man, Russian tycoon Gainey progression. Nicknamed Putin Schiff because of his close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin, and because of his restaurant empire has denied the two men are close. I know him, but he is not among my friend. This is misrepresenting. He's a businessman he has restaurants and some other businesses, but he is not a state official. We have nothing to do with him. But progression clearly has major dealings with the Russian state. Affirm linked to him runs, a mercenary company active in Syria that even attacked US back forces there CNN also spotted a man who appears to be progressing in this video from Russian state TV's the meeting between Russian officials and Sudan's President Omar al-bashir wanted by the international criminal courts for severe human rights UC's. UC's precautions firm trying to push back on the special counsels indictment. Arguing like President Trump that the Muller investigation is a witch hunt on Thursday. A federal judge refused to dismiss the indictment. Charging company with having a role in Russia's efforts to interfere in the two thousand sixteen US presidential election. Meantime, cybersecurity experts say project locked us trolling efforts are expanding in the United States and elsewhere their message unabashed and unapologetic like this. Recent online mean planted by the group which reads, remember ninety percent of online. Trolls are paid professionals. Wolf we did reach out to the parent company of this troll outfit. They did not get back to us with any sort of comment and experts do tell us that right now. It's less for them about supporting one or the other political party or President Trump or against President Trump to them. It's about undermining America's liberal democracy. And as we've noted there, they still are very much at it. Wolf great reporting for us a Fred play can thank you very much. There's breaking news right now, we're following the democratic candidate in Georgia's governor's race is ending or fight to force a runoff election. Stacey Abrams refused to officially could see knowledge that former secretary of state of Ryan Kemp will be certified the Victor. She also leveled accusations of voter suppression against telling you crowd of supporters quotes the state failed. It's voters. There's a lot more to discuss with our correspondents analysts and commentators all of them are standing by. 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Those are his words, let's talk about this and more with our political and legal analysts and larger listen to the president earlier today. Inches. I was asked a series of questions answered the very easily. I'm sure they're picked up because you know, they like to catch people, gene as the weather sunny or was it rainy? Instead, it may have been a good day. It was rain. Therefore, he told the RAI perjure themselves. Okay. So. With you answer questions when people that probably have bad intentions, but no it's the questions were very routinely edge by me by me. Been very very hard to find time. But it didn't take very long to them. And they were my inches. I don't need lawyers to do that. Now. Do you need? Employers to go over some of the answers, but they're not very difficult questions. Give us your analysis, Laura. There is no universe in this world in which any lawyer worth their salt is leading the president of the United States in the highest profile case that we've had in decades answer these questions himself now he may be working hand and glove. He may be going back and forth with them on drafts. I'm sure they're working diligently on language, but the idea that he's doing this without very very hands on supervision from his lawyers just belies the facts, I'm more to the point Pamela. Brown's new reporting tonight shows there's actually been like a little bit attention on some of these questions, and you know, it partly explains partly why this is taking so long we've been at this for almost a year now. So this is a serious exercise. This is not something that you do lightly. It doesn't really matter who ultimately composes these questions the president is going to have to sign his name to him in face the criminal penalty. If there's anything in there, that's untrue by saying this, essentially, what he does is he eliminated ability to blame this on on his lawyers one of his favourite tax moving like Morris said you use lawyers for a reason because even people that are trying to be honest and forthright these are challenging questions, you wanna make sure you don't inadvertently say something that's false. You want to make sure you don't disclose damaging information that you didn't have to you know, what the president's issue here is is more fundamental, and that's his it's been abundantly clear from the outset of the president lawyers have been terrified that he is incapable of telling the truth, but he's gonna end up perjuring himself. And so doesn't matter who wrote the questions if there is information in those questions, but is demonstrably false. The president is going to have a serious legal problem on his hands. Or if the questions are the president said, not very difficult questions, if they're not very difficult questions and they're easy to answer. Why is it taking them so long to come up with answers? Because everything he says you have to take with a grain of salt or or perhaps like truckloads of salt. I mean, could you imagine the edits though with his sharpie I mean and just so everyone recalls, President Trump is well known for going through an editing, but people's work or writing through newspaper articles and questioning them and then signing his name in throwing it back. I mean, it's a bit of a mess. I mean in in that, I do feel bad for the lawyers, but for him to have to come out and say, I answered them very easily. Oh, by by the way. I'm sure there Dietrich me up is just he's trying to set the narrative again that no matter what happens that he has been framed. I mean that is what he's been trying to do. It's been going on for months. Let's go David Axelrod away. Go ahead. David. Well, maybe we've solved the mystery of what he was doing in that hotel room in Paris, though, seven hours when he was supposed to be going to the cemetery. Maybe he was working on his answers. So that he could give them to his lawyer. Listen, I agree with everything that's been said the guy didn't write his own memoir. So he's certainly isn't. He hasn't written his own answers to questions that he is submitting on penalty of perjury. I think that this has been going on as as Mark said this been going on for a year, the strategy has been to create an environment in which if the news is bad. When Muller reports out that it can be dismissed at least among his supporters as a political exercise. But anyone who knows Bob mothers watch, Bob Muller? Watch the way this investigation has been conducted. I think would would would say otherwise. And I think it would be important for both. Democrats and Republicans to say we're going to wait on this report. And we will make our judgments based on the substance of what is reported by the special counsel. It's interesting Mark, the president said today, I'm very happy with almost all of my cabinet effect is confirming more members of the cabinet or about to be dumped. There's no question about that. And what's scary about this is that usually what you happened in administration in David's gone through this, and, you know, others have as well, usually she the best and brightest tend to go in at the beginning. And then on the second way, it's honestly the best and brightest. But you tend to have the second best and brightest. Right. They come in. What is very concerning specifically here in Washington DC is that some of these positions that he is going to draw off of to come in in fill. Those people might not be a qualified at all to fill those positions. David senior administration official told our Jake tapper quote in this administration. There are arsonists. And there are firefighters. The president is looking to get rid of the firefighters. The mauri. Does the faster as administration is going to burn down? What's your reaction to that? Well, first of all let me say I it marks characterization of the best and brightest coming first because I left after two years. So I I appreciate that. But I will tell you for my experience in the White House at the hardest thing you can do is tell the president things he doesn't wanna hear. And I think it's even harder in this administration. Because Donald Trump has never had to answer to anyone who's running basically a small family business. No board of directors and people don't tell him what he doesn't want to hear very few people tell him what he doesn't want hear. And there's a lot of work arounds, and so on and if if you're and fewer people there are willing to tell him that he's wrong or tell them there's a this is an unwise quarter, or at least find a way to work around him, then he's going to act more and more on impulse. And as we know his impulses can be destructive. Make sure our viewers know David tomorrow night, the X files, you have a special guest seven PM eastern right here on CNN supreme court Justice. Sonja? So to my your we're going to be watching that tomorrow night. Everybody standby still ahead. The husband of top. Presidential aide Kellyanne Conway comes up with a devastating description of the Trump administration. We're going to hear him in his first interview also an alarming increase in the number of people listed as missing as California's wildfires continue to. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. In california. At least sixty six deaths are not confirmed and the list of those missing in the wake of the devastating. Wildfires has grown to more than six hundred names. Not only the fire still burning shelters for some evacuees or coping with a virus attack. Let's bring in our CNN correspondent, Nick waft. He's on the scene. I what are you seeing? Well, we'll tomorrow President Trump is going to travel to California to see the devastation for himself. Now in an interview with Fox News. He did concede that climate change maybe contributed a little to these fires. But he also doubled down on that controversial claim which is challenged by some that bad forest management is the major culprit in these wildfires that have so ravaged the state. As authorities sift through every nine one one call and report received during those terrifying. Early days of the campfire plays that list of the missing exploding to more than six hundred names. If you look at that list, and you see that your name is on it. Please call five three eight six five seven, oh or five three eight seven five four four and let us know that you've been the safety seven more bodies found. Thursday. More remains no will be in the and wreckage today four hundred sixty one personnel. Twenty two dogs now involved in that gruesome search of the sixty three people confirmed dead, so far the campfire coroners have tentatively identified Fifty-three a time called paradise hate hard. I am loyal to paradise. It's like a, tether, my heart is. Hazard to that town. I valued that town in the people and everybody I knew there. Everybody I helped there. They just meant so much to me. I'd be I'd blossom when I moved to paradise central and northern California has the worst air quality in the world smoke lingering in two hundred fifty mile radius today's schools as far away as San Francisco still closed due to that danger classes canceled on college campuses in Sacramento and Berkeley. According to Cal fire firefighters have battled five hundred blazes in the state in just the past thirty days, a low California's governor says this is the new abnormally going forward. We are going to have to take a lot of steps so easy. We're gonna have to binge a forest better. We're going to have to build our cities more smartly. We're gonna have to build shelters so people can escape when these terror. Fires get out of hand. And yes, we're gonna have to deal with climate change all of that. Meanwhile, one hundred forty five QE's on workers in shelters around Butte county are suffering from norovirus twenty five of them hospitalized as a result of the gastro intestinal bug. Health officials now working to create separate shelters for the sick. County with ten percent of its homes now turn to ash facing crisis. So we had a town of approximately fourteen thousand houses and associated commercial activity. That's literally been burned off the map. And what sparked these blazes, we still don't know? But many people up in the north pointing the finger at the local utility company. Well, all right, Nick. Thank you very much. Good luck to all the folks out there coming up, but truly devastating take down to the Trump administration by the husband of presidential adviser, Kellyanne Conway, we're going to hear him in his first interview. California. At least sixty six deaths are not confirmed and the list of those missing in the wake of the devastating. Wildfires has grown to more than six hundred names. Not only the fire still burning shelters for some evacuees or coping with a virus attack. Bring bringing our CNN corresponded. Nick why he's on the scene. I what are you seeing? Well, we'll tomorrow President Trump is going to travel to California to see the devastation for himself. Now an interview with Fox News he did concede that climate change maybe contributed a little too far. But he also doubled down on that controversial claim which is challenged by some that bad forest management is the major culprit in these wildfires that have so ravaged the state. As authorities sift through every nine one one call and report received during those terrifying. Early days of the campfire plays that list of the missing exploding to more than six hundred names. If you look at that list, and you see your name is on it. Please call five three eight six five seven or five three seven five four four. And let us know that you've been you're safe seven more bodies found. Thursday. More remains, no doubt will be in the wreckage today four hundred sixty one personnel. Twenty two dogs now involved in that gruesome search of the sixty three people confirmed dead, so far the campfire coroners have tentatively identified fifty three time called paradise hate hard. I am loyal to paradise. It's like, tether, my heart is. Hazard to that town. I valued that town in the people and everybody I knew there. Everybody I helped there. They just meant so much to me I blossom when I moved to paradise central and northern California has the worst air quality in the world smoke lingering in two hundred fifty mile radius today's schools as far away as San Francisco still closed due to that danger classes canceled on college campuses in Sacramento and Berkeley. According to Cal fire firefighters have battled five hundred blazes in the state in just the past thirty days. California's governor says this is the new abnormally going forward, we aren't going to have to take a lot of steps so easy. We can have to binge forest better. We're going to have to build our cities more smartly. We're gonna have to build shelters so people can escape when these terrible fires get out of hand. And yes, we could have to deal with climate change all of that. Meanwhile, one hundred forty five QE's on workers in shelters. Butte county or suffering from norovirus twenty five of them hospitalized as a result of the gastro intestinal bug. Health officials now working to create separate shelters for the sick time t- with ten percent of its homes now turn to ash facing crisis. So we have a town approximately fourteen thousand houses and associated commercial activity. That's literally been burned off the map. And what sparked these blazes, we still don't know? But many people up in the north pointing the finger at the local utility company. Well, all right, Nick. Thank you very much. Good luck to all the folks out there coming up, but truly devastating take down to the Trump administration by the husband of presidential adviser, Kellyanne Conway, we're going to hear him in this first interview. Mark mantis three fifty five and on this edition of our show. I'll be joined by Syracuse Titus battle job into just trying to improve my game being able to be more offensive on the ball different ways. She in the bought that's improved and my play making billiard. Well. Three sixty five now at apple podcast and Fatah bar. Audubon. Tonight. We're following the political aftershocks caused by a devastating assessment of the Trump administration. And it comes from the husband of one of the president's top aides siennas Brian Todd is here. Brian not necessarily a complete surprise not a complete surprise wolf that George Conway the husband of top. Trump aide Kellyanne Conway is critical of the president. He's been skewering him for months. But it is the prising jarring really the George Conway is so brutal in his latest broadside against Mr. Trump. Tonight. The contrarian husband of one of the president's top, aides, Kellyanne Conway isn't just raising eyebrows. He's dropping jaws speaking publicly for the first time about his disdain for the Trump administration. It's like the administration is like shit show in a dumpster fire. George Conway, a conservative lawyer and prominent Republican was once on the shortlist for a top position in the Trump Justice department now he's become one of the president's chief critics in a new interview on the who podcast skulduggery, he explained why he turned down the job and like. Do that. I don't know. And then it's like then you got the Komi firing. And then you got him going on TV's saying, I had rush on my mind. It's like own now, she just destroys them despite his proximity to one of the president's most ferocious defenders, George. Conway has unabashedly slammed. President Trump in recent months this week he established checks and balances a group of conservative lawyers who publicly questioned the president's adherence to the law. He has also chided Trump on Twitter with tweets like, this one questioning the president's comprehension of the law, and he's written op EDS, including this one saying Trump's appointment of his acting attorney general is quote illegal. But until recently he'd avoided the president's IRA. You mean, Mr. Kellyanne Conway? He's just trying to get but bliss city for himself. Gooch Conway says he took the president's broadside in stride, saying he also calls himself. Mr. Kellyanne Conway today. His wife even changed her Twitter bio to read the Kellyanne Conway in Kellyanne Conway's husband, George Conway admitted today his wife is not a fan of his pushback on the president. I don't think she likes it. But I don't, you know, I've told her I don't like, you know, the administration. So we're it's even despite their differences Conway says he's very proud of his wife, and what she accomplished in two thousand sixteen. My wife did an amazing thing. I mean, she she basically got this guy elected and other people like to take credit for it. But she got this guy elected. She studied that boat. She did it. She went on television sheep. She imposed message disciplined on that campaign. I mean, he was in the crapper. When she took that campaign over perhaps, the great irony. Analysts say is that. Of all of Conway's criticisms today that remark supporting his wife's role in the campaign might be the one that pushes the president's buttons the most we know that the idea that anybody had anything to do with success except for him really seems to drive him bonkers. He's very narcissistic it always has to be about him one asked if he thinks the president is fully stable, George Conway laughed and said, no comment. We asked the White House for comment on George Conway's. Latest remarks about the Trump administration. We did not hear back from them. And neither Jewish nor Kellyanne Conway would come in. Specifically for our story. Interestingly enough wolf, George Conway also said today is changing his affiliation from Republican to unaffiliated. He says he's not comfortable being a Republican anymore. He says it is a personality cult interesting Brian Todd. Thanks very much for that report. 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Roundup: Medicaid fights, ACA lawsuits and drug pricing with Rodney Whitlock
"The much needed Medicaid expansion passed by the voters needs to be implemented in a fiscally sustainable way. And with some commonsense adjustments. I believe that we can implement this programme without delay. I'm Dan diamond this pulse. Check. And now as you saw governor Gary Herbert weighing in on his state's Medicaid moves controversial policy that will be discussing leader in this show will actually be focusing on three topics today, I will drill into Medicaid changes in Utah and beyond second. We'll take a look at insurance companies and their lawsuits against the Trump administration. And finally a look ahead to next week's congressional hearings. We'll be joined by guest Rodney Whitlock used to be a top aide to Senator Chuck Grassley who's grilling into drug prices before we do any of that. I want to welcome to colleagues or joining for the news roundup. I pulled Emco our insurance reporter. Hello, paul. Hey, Dan, and rushing a pratan- who covers healthcare from across the states. Hey, Dan, listeners should know that we were talking about a leaked interview by Tucker Carlson. The Fox News host where he's cursing at a guest and Paul and Russia have separately expressed admiration for his style. So I'm taking that as an. Invitation to just mock both of you. I'm ready throughout this roundup. Thanks for having us, you moron. You're already getting into the spirit. I respect that on sixth Utah voters approved a ballot measure to expand Medicaid on February eleventh, Utah's Republican governor working with Republicans and mistake house signed a Bill that would affectively restrict that expansion and include new measures like work requirements. Russia how did we get from what voters passed in a ballot measure three months ago to what Republicans just signed into law and Utah, basically the proposition three in Utah would have expanded Medicaid benefits to one hundred and fifty thousand people not all those people are uninsured currently, but a big chunk of them are, and that's what voters passed that's voters want three white voters wanted fifty three percent of voters endorsed adopting the coverage expansion as it is envisioned under the healthcare law for context the. Measure included, a sales tax increase to cover it. The states costs for for doing this for providing benefits to more people. And then the governor's office his budget office came back and ransom numbers and said as it turns out this sales tax hike is not going to be enough to cover our costs. So Republicans then were starting to craft another Bill to essentially pare back their coverage expansion to the poverty line, and they have reasons for doing that that we can get into. And then they want to add all of these kind of conservative bells and whistles that have been talked about it and a lot of other states you reference work requirements. That's one Utah has wanted to for Weil cap enrollment. If they run out of money to cover the population, that's never been approved. And so that that's how we got to this point essentially because they said we can't afford a full on. Attention. So we're going to do something that believes it. So that no one is uninsured. But it's still not a hundred and fifty thousand people getting Medicaid coverage, which is what the voters want company people are projected to gain coverage under this modified Republican plan. It's roughly about ninety thousand so and then people those those people are below the poverty line. And now people above the poverty line, as you know, our listeners, I think no Ken go to Utah's in, you know, exchange under the ACA, and they can get really heavily subsidized private coverage. And that's what you top Republicans have said in pushing this Bill they said, look, we're not leaving people uninsured. We are making sure that people have something and for the people who really don't have anything we are giving the Medicaid benefits the issue really that this boils down to in the end. And what is so significant for the Trump administration is the money? It's all about the money at this point and the money being. The Trump administration is going to have to do something. They've never done in terms of how they will chip in money to fund this new Utah plan. Do we know if they will do that? Now, we don't Utah in typical. I like to joke that you know, you have conservative states, you have liberal states, but all states are aligned in their interests to get as much federal money as possible whenever they can from federal government. Even if they criticize the federal government all the time. So Utah is asking the Trump administration. You know, the administration to send them the money that is available to states in the ACA for expanding coverage fully, and they want it for covering a smaller group of people now, essentially, they want to do they want the same financial package that has promised to states that say yes to the full expansion, but they wanted even though they're doing a partial expansion. Exactly. And this has been a major argument in the Trump administration for years, right? So and you know, before even during the Obama administration there were. Are lots of Republicans. They officials including our currency a mess administrator who was pushing to have this option, and they said now and so far the Trump administration. Also has not said, yes, Utah saying they will. But you know, the proof isn't there until they do it the reason the Obama folks said no to this idea of partial expansion was that they were worried that some states would try and negotiate these sweeter deals to expand coverage, but not all the way. And interestingly, it's kind of a flip reason for why the Trump administration has set. No, they have not wanted to see states expand, Medicaid at all. It's a really interesting political quandary. I think that people in Washington find themselves in there's you know, there is a really strong desire. I think among some really key players in the administration to give Utah. What it wants they want the state to have lex ability to do they wanna give them this because they asked for it. When you say key players. You mean seem? Verma head of CMS. Right. Yes. So the CMS generally speaking, and this is true of our of administrator, Vermont stay flexibility is a big, you know, credo that they live by they want to try to give states things when they ask for them. But except when it's California trying to do Medicare coverage for all. Seema Verma did snap at the governor of California. Right. Whatever about right. So maybe red states there little more willing. But you know, they want to do that for states. I would say by and large, and you know, but this this creates a really interesting precedent, if they do it, and it might encourage more states expand, Medicaid and a lot of people in the White House or not okay with that. Let's go there. Utah was not the only state to adopt Medicaid expansion last year at the ballot box. You also had to other conservative states, Nebraska, an Idaho that that similarly passed referendums what implications potentially does this debate have for those two states. Well, so those two states currently I don't think are nearly a serious about altering their ballot measures in the way that the Utah effort was very serious. But that being said, I think automatically for a state. There's a lot of incentive to be able to cap Medicaid benefits at the park. Line as opposed to going up to one hundred thirty eight percent as the law says really it's about money again. Because if you cap even under the right, the federal government will pay for ninety percent of the cost at least. But that ten percent still a lot of money for a state. So the more people that you can get on the federal taxpayer dime is supposed to on your own budget. They are going to want that. And so you could see situations. I think where they would maybe think about limiting it to the poverty line. Because again, then you're not opening yourself up to criticism that you're throwing people off of health insurance because they have something there are other states. I should say, you know, Arkansas, Massachusetts, the other ones that have asked the Trump administration to do these partial expansions, they already did full Medicaid expansions in their states, and they want to put it, you know, roller back. So what about you? You mentioned that one hundred thirty eight percent of the poverty line. Line is in statute to me that means you're going to be inviting a lawsuit. If you do something other than that, we have any indication of whether Utah will be sued if they go through with this plan and get approval from the Trump administration. I'm sure just by including work, requirements, alone and enrollment caps. I am sure they will be sued. Now is it a legal to do an expansion up to the poverty line and get the enhanced match. There are some pretty prominent legal experts who say no, it's not illegal. It's just the interpretation that the Obama administration took now. So I I don't, you know, I'm not a lawyer for which I'm mostly grateful. So I don't I I don't know what the arguments would be. But I do think, you know, there are lots of components about the Utah plan that are going to invite litigation regardless beyond litigation. I'm just curious about voter will and voter anger this ballot measure passed a few months ago with more than fifty three percent of Utah voters saying we want this fall. Expansion. They're not getting that Republicans in the state house went a different way and a striking moment for me was watching the head of the Utah health policy project, which had been fighting the Republican plan eventually the head of that organization went and stood with the governor as he signed this modified, Medicaid Bill into law and the head of that group met sonic, or he said, essentially, this is still a victory because tens of thousands of Utahns who wouldn't have coverage. Now, have it is is that reflective of the mood on the ground. Russia. Could this be something where most Utahns are gonna say? Well, we got something. It's okay. Or is there going to be enough frustration that we could see in the twenty twenty election which could determine control of the Utah state house some anger much like we saw the twenty eighteen midterms around healthcare moves I mean, I I don't think that this would invite the kind of backlash that would maybe sway voters to that degree only because two things one is. Again, Utah did provide coverage to thousands of people. It's not as if they're not doing anything or they just repeal the entire thing. And now, you have thousands of people without nothing when it like that would be a much starker difference right between what voters pass versus what ended up happening. The other thing too is if you think about it the whole reason why the ballot effort came into being is because Utah legislators for years were doing essentially nothing to cover these people in the so-called coverage gap now by passing something that does a full expansion it forced their hand to make it. So that there is no gap in their state if I'm the utilized policy project or someone who supports coverage expansion, how could you not see that as at least something that's positive in the end. Because like I said, they you know, if they really wanted to be hard line about it. They could've just repeal the whole thing. Last question, you're going to interview. Utah. Governor Carey Herbert on Friday in Washington DC for politico event. I'll make sure there's a link in the show notes for anyone who wants to watch a long from home. I I know you can't tip your questions. But what do you feel like you need to know from governor Herbert when you're asking him about these Medicaid ideas, who in Washington has made this promise that they're going to get what they want because I think that now Utah has had conversations with senior people. But was it encouragement was it up? Promise. Was it, you know, and that there's a very big difference. Right. I mean, you can encourage state to submit an application to say, we'll work with you on it that doesn't mean you'll get it. And the thing about these wavered negotiations is it's not just up to see a is it. I mean, it it. It's there's a lot of play or they're very many players. They get involved in these sorts of things and a lot of different considerations. And so I wanna. Know who's made this promise, Raj. Thanks for walking us through that. And thanks for coming by the podcast and making time. Oh, it's a pleasure. Thanks, so moving on to our second topic insurers and how they are performing just me and Paul who thinks so highly of me is more on front back and fall twenty seventeen the Trump administration cancelled billions of dollars in ObamaCare payments to insurers now the mechanics are a little wonky. But at the time, the White House said those payments were illegally appropriated. But Democrats pointed to that move Trump's cancellation of the payments and said, this is a prime case of Affordable Care Act, sabotage the decision launched a wave of lawsuits stories fallen out of the news. But the Paul you've been tracking it closely. What have been the latest developments in this legal case? Yeah, we now have at least a dozen different lawsuits that have been filed over these cost sharing reduction payments and one of them is a class action suit that. Now has ninety one different insurers on it. And we've had three we've had rulings from three different federal judges all of whom involving I think six cases, including the class act class action case, all of whom have who have sided with insurers in saying that yes, this is an obligation of the federal government under the Affordable Care Act and the feds need to to make good on these payments. Now, there's a question about the extent of that obligation. So ensures were left high and dry in twenty twenty seventeen. So for the final three months these payments were cut off. They had no ability to take steps to mitigate that loss, and they just took a hit. So the judges, you know, it's very clear that judges are saying yes for twenty seventeen what what insures lost the federal government's going to need to to make good on that. The question is what happens beyond 2017 b. Because steps by insurers, and by state regulators have essentially made it so that ensures of aren't taking a huge financial hit under even though these payments went away. So the question is are they still entitled to these payments? Despite the fact that they've taken steps by two to address the financial harm and those steps might be insurance. For instance, raised prices on some of their plans, and in this complicated. Financial maneuvering, moose Americans who were shopping for plans where protected because as the prices went up be the support that they were getting to buy those plans went up and turn that didn't help people who were shopping off the exchange there. So millions of people who really felt those price increases, but for a lot of people there's price increases were essentially fictitious, and, but it was a way for insurance to kind of guard themselves, and then some state regulators supported a practice that are wonky listeners will know called silver looting, which. Volved kind of steering these these higher price plans making them more mainstream in the exchanges. That's exactly right. And and the one judge who ruled last week judge, Margaret Sweeney, and she's handling that that class action case that I mentioned actually ruled that that that it doesn't matter that that there have been steps to mitigate that financial harm that the federal government is still on the hook for making those payments, and that is a big deal. If that's where the courts alternately ended up because it comes to about twelve billion dollars per year. But there's a real question about like what would happen because ensures you know, they have to they have to spend eighty percent of premium dollars on medical care under the Affordable Care Act. And if they get essentially if they Jack up premiums to compensate for the loss of these payments, and then they get these payments than they're going to have probably too much money. So do they end up having to refund that to their customers? It could be a giant mess. I. See this story as one that hits on a lot of buttons where people that aren't necessarily exciting and sexy Dopp IX, it's insurance companies, which the general American public doesn't have a lot of sympathy for its litigation financial workings of the Affordable Care Act. This is not necessarily screaming in in a way that say, the Medicaid expansion topic might, but but it seems to me Paul that it gets at something pretty important, which is how is the Trump administration overseeing the Affordable Care Act in isn't making decisions that ultimately benefit Americans or or these decisions driven by politics. Well, I mean, I would turn it back on congress though to I mean, the Trump administration's stance is that these that these this program was being illegally funded because there was no appropriation. And that the appropriate way to address this is for congress to appropriate the money, so congress can deal with this issue. They can appropriate the money, but they have not done that there was legislation as you and the listeners probably remember that Lamar Alexander. Patty Murray worked on and seem to have bipartisan agreement on that would have reinstated the CSR funding and that fell apart. And now there doesn't seem to be a lot of a lot of talk or enthusiasm for reinstating these payments. So it's not just the Trump administration here. It's it's congress very much is part of this part of this situation. Those bipartisan efforts to stabilize got blown up in part because of conservative Republicans using the abortion issue as something they said, they couldn't support that the funding would end up helping fund abortions. And they said that was not a place that they're willing to go earnings reports are coming out now about twenty eighteen financial performance. And after all the on drawing about insurance companies. Do we have a sense for how they are doing booth broadly and then with respect to the ACA? Well, I mean insurance companies are doing very well. I think is the bottom line. We've had sort of fourth quarter financial earnings. Calls and but what we're waiting for now. At least what I'm waiting for is on March first they have to file their end of year financial filings with the national association of insurance commissioners, and what that will break down is basically how they did on their individual market business. Which is really what we talk about when we talk about the ObamaCare markets, and you know, by all measures since over the last two years ensures are doing very very, well, you know, I was on a call with Molina one of the biggest players in the ACA markets at the end of the third quarter. And they were talking about having margins in the neighborhood of ten percent on their individual market business, which is kind of incredible. So why was incredible because there had been doomsaying for years about the individual market? And now these insurers were losing money. Yeah. And. Because. Yes, you know, in the first three years insurers lost a lot billions of dollars. You know, lots of them pulled out particularly national insurance like United at nine and others pulled out of the markets. And you know, these were seen as as a very troubled. And so to have a company not only making money, but expanding their footprint, and and being very bullish in talking with investors about the prospects for this market is a stark turnaround. You mentioned the ten percent profit margin that Molina enjoy it and other insurance companies are doing well that that leads into maybe my last big question here, which is around would Democrats are pushing democratic candidate specifically are pushing as coverage expansion proposals like Medicare for all and some of those proposals. Take direct aim at insurance companies. Senator Kamala Harris said an CNN townhall that she was four abolishing private insurance before her her staff wa-. Walked that back. How much of the resistance that we are seeing emerge around Medicare for all is is motivated by insurance companies who are worried about proposals like comma harasses that could eliminate what they do. Yeah. I mean, I think you make a good point that insurance companies are a popular enemy. It's people like to people don't like insurance companies because they're the ones who often turned down their medical claims and stiff and them and they end up with big bills. But I think what you're seeing is a very vigorous effort to try to stop this in its tracks right from the inception. But I think what you're seeing from the insurance industry is they don't wanna be alone. They don't want this to be an insurance industry effort. They want it to be a United front among the entire healthcare industry. They wanna be with pharma. They wanna be with hospitals. They wanna be with doctors. And they want all of this of these industry groups. You know, saying that this is a this is not the path. We wanna go town and that Americans don't want, you know, socialized medicine, or whatever term you wanna use for it. And and I know, you know, this because both of us sat with a coalition of hospitals and insurers and others who wanted to make the case collectively that look that healthcare system. The United States isn't perfect, but it is better than whatever disruptive change maybe coming if the Democrats get their way, and they you know, what we kept hearing from them as we want to focus on the problems with the system that we have and address those and talked about things like surprise bills surprise medical bills. So I guess the the challenge I would what I would like to see with them if they really want to address those questions, what is the unified approach to dealing with surprise medical bills that ensures pharma, hospitals and docs, can all get behind be interesting to see if they could come up with that. I'm also curious if we end up. Seeing some sort of coverage expansion the next couple of years. I I'm putting this down a marker down in February twenty nineteen. If there is some we're limited coverage expansion will that end up benefiting insurance companies much like to your earlier point some insurance companies have figured out how to be profitable very profitable from the Affordable Care Act. So if we see more coverage expansion that isn't the dramatic single payer option that that's very liberal people. Want will the current system will those insurance companies that are already on top only strengthen their hand. Yeah. And I I would make related point about Medicare. Medicare Advantage is booming there. Now, I think twenty two million, you know, Americans who are in private Medicare plans about thirty five percent of the entire Medicare population. And ensures love this market, they're doing well in it it stable, it's growing they're making money. The Obama administration loves Medicare Advantage there. Doing everything in their power to facilitate this market and to help it. So the the the the bigger and more robust that market becomes the harder. It's going to be sort of dismantle that and get rid of the private Medicare system. Paul. Thank you for running us through that for our last segment today, we're going to focus on the drug price hearing looming in the Senate finance committee next week, and we're welcoming back Rodney Whitlock vice president with McDermott, plus consulting and repeat guest on the podcast. Hello, rodney. Thank you for having me. I look forward to getting my card stamped full disclosure used to work for Grassley, and you're now in the private sector or any of your clients testifying in his hearing next week. I worked for Gresley for eleven years, and I do not have any clients testifying next week. But because you worked for Grassley for eleven years that is exactly when reason why we wanted to have you today next week's hearing is going to feature testimony from some of the leading. Drug company executives in the world. The head of Merck. Johnson and Johnson will be there Pfizer will be there. And so on and so on when you were looking at that hearing, which many in Washington have circled as this is a moment. Drug companies could be held accountable could be asked very direct questions. Do you see this as a hearing where there's going to be any news coming out of it? Or is it just going to be drug companies fending off congressional inquiry? So as a staffer, I can say this is going to be a very difficult hearing where you have seven witnesses on this panel. And if you want to work for your member to help them come up with questioned the Gotcha question really to put somebody on the spot. Remember you have to set it up. You have to walk through it to make your point if you've taken ninety seconds and all seven of them, take thirty to respond. You've used your five minutes. This is actually a very difficult hearing for members to be able to really score. Gotcha moments with the drug companies. This is very challenging. So how would you advise a member to score that? Gotcha moment to do something that runs counter to who they are with these hearings. You almost have to be willing to be rude. You have to say, I'm focusing on this drug company because of what they've done and be willing to tell anybody else who jumps in. I'm not talking to you. I'm only talking to this witness. If you really want to focus on one company and something a behavior that you think you want to draw out to tell you have to be willing to do that believe it or not senators and members of the house. That's not naturally how they run is to to want to be rude to people in these types of settings worry about how it looks like you don't think Senator Ron Wyden would be direct, and and provocative think he could. But I think it from a staffing perspective you have to really ramp your member up to be able to do that. Because that's what you're that's what you're expecting these situations. What would be a good? Gotcha question for a drug company executive next week. Oh, I think. That one of the places it'll be interesting to see if members ago there will speak to the specific drugs in the specific co price hikes and asked them to justify them. What is your and particularly putting them in a situation where they're on record? Why is it a the price of a drug has increased by X overtime. And particularly when the drug itself isn't changed. Because that's I think something that matters a lot to consumers, which is that they see prices going up. They don't see a change in the nature of the product anything else. You have cars shoes. Everything changes, they improve somehow even this new iphone ten or I think Samsung has gone to ge- S ten. They're supposed to be an expectation. Things have improved in some way, the drug didn't get better. It just got more expensive. And let's see if the members put them on the spot to to justify why prices go up. Yeah. Elsa think. There's like a challenge you often see members give speeches when they get there. Five minutes, and they blow. A huge amount of time of that and leave very little time for the testify to have to answer the questions, and it's easy for them to score out of it. Paul. What's interesting is that this will be the finance committee. I'd be much more concerned about if it were the help committee where what is it seven of them running for president? So you know, finance might not be as as encouraged to do speeches instead of actually engaging with witnesses one one question. I have Rodney is on this bipartisan interest in doing something on drug pricing. There was a hearing in the house a few weeks ago seen as a bit of a warm up for next week's hearing. But Democrats and Republicans have different ideas about what they want to see from drug companies, and and from potential legislation here, where do you think rationally wants to go with legislation what are the measures that he particularly likes? I think that if you watch some of the things he said previously the creates act which deals with abuses of the rim system pay for delay in not all of our listeners will know creates act and the rump system. So this is the generic the creates act is an. Progressively spoken it deals with the ability of generics to to be able to compete with branded drugs and the roadblocks that are put in front of them and a reform to that process. Pay for delay another way that Brandon drugs. Tried to keep generics. Competition off the market Grassley has been pretty strong there. I think you saw him on direct to consumer advertising having a pretty strong feelings about that. But I think most importantly for Grassley it will be what is the realm of the possible Grassi's not in this to make statements. He's in this to make legislation. So if he's in it for the art of the possible and to make legislation where where is that effort really going to begin is this going to be House Democrats are pursuing one proposal Grassley is running the effort in the Senate. And eventually we might see a compromise or is Grassley really setting the tone and others are looking to him for where this will go. I think Grassley has a very fascinating dance. He's playing where. I think he has a relationship with Senator Wyden where the two of them can work together. And I certainly worked with Senator widens office when I was there on the investigation of Gilead Savall. So there's history there and Senator Grassley was on this podcast about a month ago. And I asked him about his relationship with Senator Wyden, the ranking democrat that top democrat, and he he made a similar point that that this might not be the famous relationship that Grassley had with Max Baucus ten years ago is the two of them did all this legislation together and almost did the Affordable Care Act together. But that that there's enough of a building ground for more to come. So the two of them worked together. And then they try to bring in the folks on the committee who want to be part of something. Now, let's be clear they're going to be some to one side who are going to say, I don't want to do anything in the subject, and those who are going to be if you're not doing what I want. It's not good enough for me. And so what they have to do is start with themselves and then branch out to the realm of the possible in the committee, and if the finance committee can. Lead. And certainly I saw this there in the two thousands, and you saw a good chunk of it. Even during the last decade or the finance committee can lead they can certainly cause others in congress to have to follow because of the rules of the Senate and the ability to use the filibuster to say the house has gone too, far we won't go as far as the house is going. So that's where the key to action is how do you think about the politics of this issue being President Trump has clearly made this a huge piece of his agenda speaker Pelosi came in saying this was pretty much heard number one healthcare agenda item that would suggest that there's an opportunity here for for bipartisanship. But we're also in, you know, a pretty poisonous political atmosphere. How do you how do you calculate that? You're looking for the VIN diagram of the possible between the president and the speaker throw in Mitch McConnell, but that's where the role that Grassley and widened can play is so important because they can alternately define the realm of the possible. And put the speaker put the president in the position of saying, this is what can be done if you can't live with this. Nothing's getting done February twenty nineteen were recording this podcast. If you had to bet what are the odds that Grassley and team will be able to get drug pricing legislation out of congress. I would bet on them being able to do it. But I do not define it as expansively as maybe others. Do I think there are some things they can agree upon others will look at that and say that's not enough. And so it depends on how you want to define it. I certainly think there is a set of things that they can work on. I think if you looked at the hearing that they've already done looking at the part B as in boy drugs that those there is certainly a consensus that we know we have problems there. I think there's opportunity to look at part d drugs and the part D benefit and reconsider some things there. There's a there's a universe. But it's not going to be as sexy as some people look at who only want negotiation, and if you're not doing your failing. I don't think that's in the realm of the possible. So like an eighty percent chance that a limited package of drug pricing reforms moves out of this congress, but very low chance at the Bernie. Sanders favored ideas, we'll we'll make it through. I think that Senator Sanders should push his on the campaign trail rather than in congress. Because I I would keep my expectations low for that. One hurdle to getting any legislation out of congress affects healthcare is all the money interest in healthcare that care about how reimbursement is currently structured, and will these plans, ding them. But does that also offer possibility Rodney for lawmakers were seeking ways to say raise revenue by finding opportunities to cut spending that the government might be making on Medicare drugs? Certainly the creates act and pay for delay have been on the table in a number of conversations in the last eighteen months as a possible pay for that will certainly be the case in twenty nineteen is we have other provisions and other legislative areas where we'll be looking for ways to pay for things. And absolutely that makes those types of legislation where they save money. It makes them very plausible. This drug price. Hearing is not the only one on the calendar for healthcare in congress in the next number of days and weeks there are several hearings on each adjusts. And how it was involved in taking care of refugee children who were separated at the border. I know I'll be attending those hearings. There are hearings looming on measles and the vaccine rates and weather anti vaccination efforts have contributed as well as other initiatives. That lawmakers have announced are their hearings on your calendar. Rodney the you have starred as much must watch beyond this drug pricing. One next week the finance series of hearings are what I star because that will show direction in where Grassley and widen our agreeing or areas to educate their members and where they're trying to show direction. I think those are the ones that should be the ones that give you an indication of what is the realm of the possible. The house has this nasty tendency of being just. Very difficult with each other conflicting when an areas that are begin politically difficult. The house can work together on things when they're not politically difficult, but this area is not one of those. And so that's where if you're watching for anything. It's it's Grassley, and what a good recommendation from former grassland Senate finance committee staffer I may have experienced there, and certainly bias. Thank you for joining us in pulse. Check this. Thank you for a pleasure to be here with you. Do. That's it for pulse. Check this week by thanks to Paul Dempo rushing. A proton and special guest Rodney Whitlock for joining the podcast and div Shaw for producing the show if you like political pulse. Check you can help us rate or review the show by searching on your favorite podcast app. You have suggestions, you can reach me at Di diamond at politico dot com by Email and you'll find a new episode of political pulse. Check in your podcast player next week.