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We're going to give you reality in a second, but I believe we're going to show you a number of today where you guys can come probably to the same conclusion that I did that the guys Aligarh. Okay. So now we've kept the very, very open mind throughout. I just want to look at some of those videos again with you guys and then see if you think he he's credible. And and I think that that gives us an insight into the kind of guy he is, but John made a good point by the way before he drafted, I should have started with a little bit of here. Come to me on on this a little bit of. No, that's not right. That's not right. Does that right? Okay. The not. Right, right. That's fine. The anger spine don't make fun of the the crying. Okay, that's my line for whatever it's worth. That's my line. Okay, so, okay, but we have dramatic developments, so John go, okay, we don't just have dramatic developments. We have too many dramatic developments. Things have been developing incredibly quickly since this morning. I think it's her to say that we started the day thinking, the Republicans are unabashed. They're just going to push him through and it appeared that they had the votes because very early on today. Senator Jeff flake said he would be voting in support of Kavanagh. He was one of those votes on the Republican side that we thought, hey, maybe he'll be convinced by Christine Blasi Ford's testimony in that appear to be undercut by his statements. Early this morning, then dramatic news. It developed that he was actually interested in some sort of limited. Scope and time FBI investigation being done. But at that point it didn't mean that it was actually going to happen, but then things continue to develop pressure was put on the Republicans. Senate Judiciary committee came out with a statement saying that they too would support this investigation. By the way in the background, perhaps working towards this, you had the American Bar Association pushing for a halt, an investigation. You had the Yale dean of the law school where he went pushing for an investigation and eventually flake, and then you had Collins and Murkowski mansion coming out in support of that as well. And then we had, I guess, the first and most responsible for actually having this Donald Trump a statement saying, I've ordered the FBI to conduct a supplemental investigation update, judge Kavanagh's file as the Senate has requested. This update must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week which get used to those words because in the future, if a Democrats ever accused of anything, the investigation will be limited in scope and time less than one week. Perhaps, I think when they. We're pushing for all the Clinton investigations of the nineties limited in scope is what they were stressing from the very beginning. But in any event, we are going to have at least some sort of investigation. And so what what's your initial response? Did you expect this? Or are you hardened by g think that it might be setting us up for a defeat and a week? Yeah. So let's say you one at a time first of all? Yes, I'd like to note the hypocrisy for the record and then we could move on the Benghazi hearings were not limited in time. There was a partner approximately twenty eight of them, okay. It's hyperbole, but not by much believe there might literally have been eight or nine Benghazi hearings. And then whitewater is a perfect example of not limited in scope. It was about a real estate deal in Arizona. By the time we were finished. They were talking about cigars including Cavanaugh of who asked the raunchiest most like literally the dirtiest questions I've ever seen in public life Kamina thought we should approve Clinton's sex life as. As as graphic as you can imagine. So interesting notify piracy on that too. And what no one ever remembers about the whitewater hearings against Bill Clinton was in at the end Ken Starr was like by the way he didn't do it. Nothing wrong with a real estate deal at all. But other head, we got him on sex. Those are the same guys now complaining about sex questions. Okay. Now is to these. This investigation is what we wanted. We said a week, they give us a week. I don't know what limited in scope means. That's very important. Does that mean only Christine? Blasi Ford? Are they not allowed to talk to Debbie Ramirez? Are they not allowed to talk to Julie, sweat, Nick? I would want them to. I'm not positive about the last two because of some fact patterns that are unclear, for example, sweat, Nick says, hey, you know, I. Cabinet was that was present during a situation where she was gang raped. I want to have be asking, what is president Ning? I mean, did he was? Did he participate? Did you participate? I mean, that's a heavy charger level on someone and say, he's present and not clarify. So I hope it's not limited in that scope, but it might be so whether it'd be a rubber stamp or a real investigation. Well, I guess that's up to that. I feel like this limited in scope thing is so annoying, and it's not, you know, let me tell you as with sex. The just the tip approach makes nobody happy. Right? So the limited in scope is not gonna make the Republicans happy because it's still a one week delay. And as we've heard from the hearings Kavanagh's itching and moaning about how these pests and days have been hell forever another week. Oh my God die. So he's going to be bitching about it. They're going to be bitching about it. The Democrats are going to be bitching if they are too limited in scope. So this just makes nobody happy. Yeah, I, I think that I mean, I'm jaded enough to agree that it's it's likely that the limited in scope portion of that could undermine any good intentions that are coming from people like Senator Jeff flake. I'm worried that they might be using this as a way to hush Democrats up and also play this game and make it seem like they did their know their duty, their due diligence in this whole case. So the American people are convinced that the bad actors here are really the Democrats, but either way I think it is important to at least see senators on the right finally accept that a further FBI investigation. Makes sense. So they keep mentioning how Kavanagh's been investigated in the past, but here's the thing you sometimes you don't find what you don't know you're looking for. Right. And so now the FBI has a bunch of names that they should go to people they should go to and conduct a bunch of. Interviews, including Mark judge who finally today said that he would cooperate with any investigation, and I think he absolutely should. And I think the FBI needs to go to him directly. Yeah. There's been six background checks, and you know this didn't come up, okay, we'll they didn't talk to her. So how would it have come up? They just stare at him across the table for a bit and he blunders, oh, I tried to rape somebody know that didn't happen. So yeah, of course, they didn't know about Christine Blasi Ford until she came forward. Now, one of the ridiculous situation that we're in where so many of the Republican senators clearly were not going to be swayed by anything. It didn't matter what Christine Blasi. Ford said. It didn't matter how enraged and emotional and hyperbolic cavenaugh got they weren't going to be affected by it. There was only a few that hypothetically might flake is one that we thought might be affected by that. Now, as right now, he's still gonna vote for him. So perhaps not so much, but I am curious how Jeff flake is thinking about this. So why don't we play the video of him initially requesting this investigation? Because it does actually have a reference to the scope thing in it. Then speaking with a number of people on the other side, we have conversations ongoing for a while with regard to. Making sure that we do diligence here, and I think it would be proper to delay the floor vote for up to, but not more than one week in order to let the FBI. Continue to do an investigation limited in time and scope to the current allegations that are there and limited in time to no more than one week, and I will vote to advance the Bill to the floor with that understanding. So he says there with the current allegations. Well, there isn't just one current allegation. There are allegations, and that doesn't mean that he's going to be held to that. He doesn't after all. He's not going to be setting up the investigation, and it's possible that Trump will say, you will only talk to these four people or whatever. Forget, Deborah MIR's forget all of that, but he seems at least interested in possibly finding out a little bit more. That's going on probably giving him too much credit, so wishy washy. Even the way that he was saying like, I would feel comfortable if does that even mean it means and I'm going to be a little bit more optimistic than you guys. So I think what it means is I hope Murkowski and Collins back. Me on this, but I haven't had a chance to confirm it with them. And it turns out later in the day, they're like, yeah, we're with flake. We need a week long investigation. So that's what he meant by. Like, I hope we can kind of do this right, Lisa, right, Susan, and he turns out he was right about that. And I also want to give them credit for his permanently concerned face. As we'll get into a little bit later on the show, there might be a reason at that particular time that he's filming that he's got some concern floating around in his head actually. John. I like how flake is behind him concern even about John. And that graphic okay. Always looks like that to be fair. Okay. So now a, why am I a little bit more optimistic? So first of all, let's just think now is that they blinked because this is not the right time for them to say, okay, fine. FBI investigation the right time would have been the minute. Dick Durbin asked cavenaugh instead of going well. I mean, I don't know really FBI. I don't know if we should look into that if cabinet could have said, damn, right. Of course, I want an FBI investigation to clear my name that would have worked a lot better. Instead. He had to hem and haw again for with Durban with Kuhn's with a comma hairs, and so this they did not play this well, so they, they endured the political damage of seeming to not want an investigation, which kind of looks like a cover up and then had the blink and say, okay investigation. So that's it was not three dimensional chess. They lost on that issue. Okay. Secondly, it's not only the f. b. i. n. Donald Trump or getting one great these days. So when when Trump says, hey FBI, okay, do a limited investigation in scope. If. Remind me again what you said about us the other day in a tweet. Right? Okay. All right. No, no, no, no, no, we got the investigation sit that we got it. Thank you for the thorny. We appreciate it. So now it doesn't quite work that way. It's different people within the FBI and they're not supposed to hold grudges and they probably don't. But I think it is fair to say that they have acted independently from the White House. So once you give them some thority, it'll be interesting to see how they conduct conduct themselves. And then finally, even if they, they do throw the game and they're like, hey, look on. We could seem neutral to Trump or unbiased by giving Trump and the Republicans, what they wanna be s. investigation that the end of the day, there is one other thing that the Republicans have to concern themselves with. And it's this right, because if week later they come out and they're like, yeah, we looked into it. I mean, we talked to one or two people, and and I mainly talked to cavenaugh and cabinet says he didn't do it. Well, there's all of us. There's all the women across the country. There's all the people who are concerned across the country and go. That was your investigation. Okay, but we'll see you in November so, and you think, well, okay. What do they care? No, they do care because they could lose a lot of those swing seats in Florida and so many other places. So. But it doesn't mean that they're not going to get, you know, a rush job where they go, well, they couldn't. They couldn't conclude. What can we do? We've gotta move on. We've got a vote, and that is entirely possible. One last wrinkle to this, which then goes back to pessimism, which is that they might think we're gonna lose elections. Anyway, this is our last great hope to get an angry mail on the court. And boy, he's angry and he as the Democrats. So before we lose, let's get them on there. You know, it's funny because all of this has been so hectic and crazy, and there's been so many updates that I haven't really had a chance to sit and think about the statements regarding how limited this investigation will be how it's a limited scope investigation. And now I'm just kind of angry like, I'm glad they're going to be investigating, but are you kidding me right now? Like they're allegations of rape, involved, limited in scope. What does that mean? No, not limited in scope. This is a serious crime. I know that he's not facing a criminal investigation yet, but right now we're talking about someone. We're talking about someone on the highest level of the US Justice system who could potentially be a rapist around in conversations about, let's do a limited scope investigation to suss out whether or not this guy should be supreme court. Justice get the hell out of here. These people are supposed to be representing us, but only role of the government is to protected citizens and we don't have that. Okay. We have a bunch of elderly clowns. Let's just keep it. At one hundred running the Senate in congress, not representing our best interests and at the end of the day, what is it that they love about cavenaugh so much that they're willing to sacrifice our safety to get him confirmed as supreme court Justice, he's pro-corporate. Okay. So I'm very curious what the corporate backers are doing behind the scenes to ensure that these Republican senators push him through as a supreme court Justice as soon as possible. And by the way, so you mentioned the actual accusations of rape or at least being there. That's. That's what they're calling the craziest and it's, it's the porn. Lawyer is talking about the gang rape, accusations. We'll even at one, the craziest. One they will end the easiest to knock down. She says the cavenaugh and Mark judge. We're involved in these nonconsensual gang rapes, okay. Well, Mark, judges ex girlfriend just came out and said that Mark judge admitted to doing this. He denies that. But what what? Julie, sweat, Nick, coordinate with one of his ex girlfriend's from years ago back in college to put this up or did she just accidents come up with a. Theory, that one of his ex's is willing to corroborate what, what? What are the chances of that that she accidentally happened onto a crazy radical lie. That also is confirmed by someone who knows Kavanagh's best friend and drinking buddy banking meet to is that everyone's jumping on the sweat. Nick accusation is being the most horrible one, but even Dr Ford's accusation alone, like she thought she was going to die. Faith and she couldn't breathe, and people are like ads just groping teenage boy doesn't. It's like, are you out of your mind if you're any man who has never covered a woman's mouth while trying to rip her clothes off to the point where she couldn't breathe, you shouldn't be enraged by and by the way, I just wanted to clarify one thing when I mentioned elderly senators, I'm not saying that because I think, oh, they're older so we shouldn't take them seriously. I'm saying that because a lot of them are from a different time. And when you hear phrases like make America great again, what does that include? It includes a time when when American women or women in general in this country would just have to take it and shut up. Okay. They had no Justice on their side. And so I feel like they're from time where they don't understand the gravity of the situation and how much it affects women's lives there from a time when it was acceptable when it wasn't that big of a deal. One less thing to give you a sense of who might be right, who might not. Let's just all hope that the FBI doesn't real investigation in which is we might be closer to finding out is that if I'm Cavanaugh and I think the or the Republicans and I think the sweat, Nick allegations, that's the third woman or outrageous ridiculous. I think please investigate because we'll be able to knock that one down really easily, and then we will go all cross country. We knew we told you, we told you all think even if the other two are not fake, it would give them an ability to call everything. Think if they could disprove one limited in scope, you should want to dive into the Swidnik allegations immediately to show how false they are because they are too, you're saying they sound outrageous right? Well, then go show how -rageous they are. And if it's false, then you're going to have, you know, huge win on your side. I don't know why you'd want to limit that scope once you think sweating eggs, right? Her allegations about gang rape or right men. And if you think that. And you don't look into how. Wow, okay. But we'll see so guys, but bottom line is Anna's righteous. Anger is absolutely spot on, but we asked for week long FBI investigation yesterday and we got one so cross your fingers FBI is going to do it honestly, and that's our best hope. So let's see what they come up with. Lincoln is the only app that takes thousands of the best-selling nonfiction books, and there's still some down to their most impactful elements. 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You said that you know they didn't play this the way that they would have had they wanted this before Kevin could have been the one to be calling for, which would have made him seem to be honest. Instead, it seems now like it's being done against his will, but they did blink. And there are a couple of explanations for that. We'll get into several of them Donald Trump, his response to this. I think it's fair to say, and you'll see the video that it's kind of changed a little bit since yesterday initially coming out of the cavenaugh testimony. He, he didn't even make any reference to. Christina, lousy forty. Just said that what Cavanaugh said was strong. Put up like a single tweet, which is odd for Donald Trump that he was very restrained in terms of talking about this. And then today comes and we have a video. Donald Trump is I believe out of the country. I think he's in a chilling possibly in any event. He's asked about this and take a look at this video. It's a little bit long, but he has multiple opportunities to do what he always does in communication and you'll see that he passes up basically, all of them. I'm just hearing a little bit about it because I've been with the president of Jillian. Talking about some very important subjects, but I'm sure it will all be very good. I guess the vote was a positive vote, but this seems to be a delay. I thought her testimony was very compelling, and she looks like a very fine woman very fighting. And I thought that Redstone Mony likewise was. Really something. That I haven't seen before. It was incredible. It was an incredible moment. I think in the history of our country. But certainly she was very credible with this. She was. Very good in many respects, and I think that. I don't know if this is going to continue one word or we're going to get vote. Not even a little bit. Caskey. I have no message they have to do what they think is right. It is no message they have to do what they think is right. They have to be comfortable with themselves, and I'm sure that's what they are. I'm going to rely on. All of the people including Senator Grassley who's doing a very good job. That'll be a decision that they're going to make an, they suspect they'll be making some decision whether to take a vote or to do whatever else they want to do. I will be totally reliant on what Senator Grassley of the group decides to do. There's a lot there. No, he did say that he hasn't been thinking of any replacement. That's what you'd expect Trump to say. But aside from that, he says, he doesn't know if they'll even having a vote. He's just going to defer to Grassley. He has no advice for them on Collins and Murkowski, no, they just have to do what they want to do. He said very positive things about Christine. Blasi Ford, his defensive Cavanaugh was both hyperbolic and saying, it's something we've never seen before, but he didn't say he convinced the nation that he didn't do this thing or anything like that. This seems like a very careful statement from a man who is almost never careful. Well, I feel like they inject him with a tranquilizer and it lasts for a little while and once it wears off, believe me, we're all know about it. It'll probably be later tonight. Usually Friday nights. He goes on crazy tirades or Saturday morning, but obviously I'm joking about the tranquilizer kind of, but the one other thing had is like the way he's commenting about the testimony from both Cavanaugh and. Dr Blasi Ford. It's like he's thinking they're auditioning for one of his crappy reality thinking that he's totally got like apprentice producer head on. It was incredible. It was great TV. I've never seen anything like it before. He cried a mean when you see that. Like he did say that she seemed very credible though. She's and she's been set like, I don't know if you guys watch Fox News last night, Juanita Broderick on, and it was just designed to shred her right wing media was like they came out of a cavenaugh testimony like tasting blood, they were ready to pounce on this thing, and he talks with Sean Hannity. Most nights him being super careful is either three dimensional chess, which seems even less likely than him being careful in form in his communication or maybe they're getting some some internal polling. Maybe there was a focus group on the testimony. Maybe they're actually worrying about this thing. Spoken with Collins and Murkowski, and he thinks that they're questioning the actual vote. Yeah. So I quick Laverick obviously he's in the US he's in the White House. He happened to be talking to a leader of Chile now onto the bit. I, I think that is aids must have done a great job of convincing him that if he talks against doctor Wasi Ford at all that it will cost them votes, and he will lose power in the next two years and they must have had overwhelming proof to get him to calm down and not attacker which is want. Right. And then the second part of it might be that is aids convinced them. He really might not survive like he not just losing Murkowski to what we already know, but your during an FBI investigation, there's some chance he did it, so don't get too far out there telling everybody how awesome he is and how terrible she is. Because in a week we might find out. That that it's the opposite now, remember McConnell, the anime this point almost a week, ios, a great point. McConnell warned him. Don't pick cavenaugh and he said, oh, it's because he has too many documents. Okay. No, that's not why. I don't know why too many too many gallons. So there might have been another warning to Trump, hey, listen, we're not going to remember when we told you not to pick them. Okay. This is why so be cool. Otherwise you're going to embarrass yourself was the only person Donald Trump over cares about himself. So, but at the end of the day, I'll take it better restrained than not restraint. Great bitten by the ROY Moore thing too. And then the guy that was on a say, this is now like three or four strikes in that you're endorsing a guy who turned out to be an absolute piece of garbage. So like pick pull your punches. Thank you for bringing up ROY Moore, and it's actually very important to the conversation because the day prior to the hearing taking place Trump went on this crazy unhinged hour and a half long, press conference rant. And during that rant, huge, Russ, ROY Moore. And you know what he said. He's like, I was. I was at a fan of ROY Moore, but. So I think you might be right. I think he realized this kind of hurt us. 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We. The dream? Yeah. Do you know how people live there? Happily. I, I've been on all antics by the way this whole week, just all my monthly prescription zanex I'm just I'm ready. Watching those hearings. A one, it was hard. It was hard some of that stuff and some of the reaction from Republican lawmakers. Anyway, I think one week, investigation quote, unquote, just limited cover for secure. Yes, votes grill. That is enormously possible. So we just discuss it in the last segment. So it's possible. We'll do a real investigation. They'll find out things like, doesn't want him to find out and then he's done or it's possible that when we start enough, they don't find anything. And then the Republicans just because it wasn't long enough or of course it's possible. They don't find anything because he didn't do it. But anyway, if it's the second scenario we said a week, we said, we got you inconclusive, they would love inconclusive. That's obviously what they're shooting for, but we'll see what comes up with. Okay. Last one from the member section monsoon rainbow says, SE again, does the Senate have that kind of power over that BI once an investigation is underway. Can the Senate legally limit to scope or timeframe? No. Remember it's not the Senate. It's the White House that ask for that investigation. That's why flake was suggesting it Macau skin calls back did, but Trump had to order it. He can give them some framing, but you know, it's up to be I how they interpret that framing. Okay. And then finally in the tweets, Jessica with a series of numbers says as a survivor of sexual assault, seeing the two women confront flake, tell him their stories, demanding. He looked. And look at them and commanding respect, broke down in tears proud to be a woman, a survivor and a TY t. member. Thank you just got that's the next story. And obviously, TY dot com slash joined to become a member. We, we love your support and the stories that you guys have shared with us. It's important for us to know those and to be able to share that perspective with everyone. All right. All right. Okay. Why don't we talk about that? We will probably never know for sure what it is that change Jeff lakes mind about an FBI investigation this morning, assuming that he didn't intend fully since the day began to do an investigation, but we do know one event that happened that certainly seems like it might have had an effect on him, and that is when he was confronted by two survivors of sexual violence. While he was getting in an elevator. During today's proceedings, we're show you both the videos before warned the what women say is very real and raw potentially triggering as well. Here's the first. Story of my sexual assault. I told it because I recognize. Story telling the truth when you are doing is allowing someone who actually violated a woman to sit in court, not horrible. You have children in your. I have two children. I cannot imagine. For the next fifty years. They will have free. Who has been accused of filing young girl, what are you doing sir? Superpowerful. So we have had many debates on the show about whether you should yell at public figures, restaurants and chance, and it cetera. No, that's perfect because he's a sitting United States Senator about to make momentus decision. She's in the building legally. She sees him. I mean, if you can't ask your Senator devote the right way when you're an American citizen, is it really democracy? So there was that was amazing and remember how sheltered they are. They are surrounded by their fellow politicians. Keeping it real wealthy cable news hosts wealthy donors as people in power and privilege ones that that some of them might have similar experiences, but are sheltered in a lot of ways. And a lot of them might not to see a real American US citizens say, this is what I lived through an and I cannot tolerate idea of my daughter's growing up in a country where supreme court Justice might have done this to someone else. I wish every Senator could see that with their own eyes. Go ahead. I was I was thinking the whole time about the privilege thing that you were talking about when Bragg was giving his testimony like he lives in this hickory up in this world of country clubs, and you know, planks, trying all these sports and coaching, and it's like you're the one percent and you don't know how most of the country is living. And so it is imperative to us to be like, yo, we're not. We're not dallying in the country club, like right down here in the trenches. And and the person you appointed this route prem- court is going to impact me more. That's going to impact you because you have enough money to get over whatever you need to get over. Yeah, that's such a good point and just to touch on the privilege part little more. I'm curious if women, I think women overall are more sympathetic to the testimony from Dr Blasi Ford. But I also wonder about privileged women in the country because when she opened her testimony or her opening statement, one of the first thing she said was, you know, I spent that summer doing doing what we usually do doing what I usually do at the Columbia country club. There was something relatable about her for everyone regardless of where you are. Socioeconomic status wise or gender wise was relatable, and I wonder if that helped because remember after her testimony, all of a sudden you start hearing from the right wing, whether it's on cable news or from conservative lawmakers saying, yes, she's very credible. And I'm wondering if that credibility comes from the fact that they can relate to her. I thought the same thing yesterday, but I didn't want to get into that yet because there was so much substance on the on the actual charges, et cetera. But when she said country club, I thought I wonder if it's not just that. I mean, she is from their class if you will. And I thought to myself is that the difference between her and any to hill where they didn't believe in ADA hill at all. Of course, it's a lot of other factors. It was a slightly different time, cetera, et cetera. But with Christine, Blasi Ford for whatever reason, even Orrin Hatch and Donald Trump set are looked at her and was like, oh, she saying it, okay. I don't know if we're over interpreting, but certainly it occurred to us that's, and by the way it's a normal human reaction is if you can relate to someone for whatever reason you feel like they're in your in your culture and your identity cetera. Then you draw connection with them and this judges all time. It happened with Brock Turner. That's a good kid going to Stanford. Right? And that could be my kid. Whereas if you're poor kid, whether you're white or black, whether you from a holler from an inner city, has a heart harder time relating to you and thinks that looks like a criminal. Right? And so she looked like an upstanding citizen like the ones that they are very, very used to seeing and talking to. So when she says, whoa, wow, this thing might have really happened. Kelly show the second video the front of that. And here's the other survivors of sexual violence, similar sort of plead in and pay attention to his body language and the look on his face as videos on. Anyone in your telling all women, they don't matter that they should just stay quiet because if they tell you what happens to ignore them, that's what happened to me. And that's what you're telling all in America don't matter. They should just keep it to themselves because they have told the truth jokin help that man. To power. Anyway, that's telling all these. Telling me right now, look at me when I'm talking to you, you're telling me. Doesn't matter what happened to me. Matter. That's what you're telling me. Away from you. Very similar to parts of Dr Ford's testimony yesterday, it's just if you're if you're thinking person with any empathy, compassion, your body, that just it drills right into the center of you. It just kills you. And so again, I mean these these senators are not mostly humans, their set of directions given them by donors, but it is not impossible that those two experiences had some effect on him at the very least certainly had on us. I mean, we yesterday, Brad Kavanagh said something that I thought was actually made a lot of sense where he said, make, you know, listen to the stuff that rings true and it's that doesn't ring true. Nothing does you know these two women, this happened to them and they have had to deal with this overcome trauma. I mean, this ring so true. There is no person with shred of humanity that could just dismiss these women and be like whatever, whatever. One thing too. I understand there's lots of political considerations, and obviously the Republicans think that speed matters and you know, there's a one in three chance right now that the Democrats will get control the Senate and all that stuff. But realistically, here's the situation, there is nothing that is going to stop the Republicans from getting someone pretty extremely conservative into that seat that ship sailed during the last election. The Gorsuch is going to get on there. Someone is gonna get on their Jeff flake knows some radical conservative is going to get on there. Maybe they'll pick someone else from the shortlist maybe it'll be the one woman that was on the shortlist next time, but they're gonna have that seat because they have Donald Trump in the White House and flake knows that. So just have to be Kavanagh does he have to face the rest of his life? Having experienced that while he's trying to get onto elevators. Many of the Republican senators I think would be perfectly fine with that. Lindsey, Graham had righteous indignation, but over the other victim in the story cavenaugh supposedly, but not all of them are going to feel that way. And it's possible that that. Jeff flake is willing to let this one go, and then they'll just get some other freak next time this morning after processing everything that happened yesterday and this is before flake made the suggestion to do the FBI investigation. I just I was kind of like stewing in all of this, and I was really angry and I thought to myself, I better not make the mistake of bringing daughter into this world, you know, because I don't want to bring a girl into this world knowing that our lawmakers, the people in positions of power wouldn't protect them. If something her, if something happened to her. And so I became angry because not only that think about the young girls. Now that have been victimized too, might feel like they can't come forward because why? Why would I come forward? If I know I'm going to get smeared and the person that I'm accusing is still going to get the promotion is still going to get all the praise is still going to be protected. I mean, it's just sends such a bad message. And again, I wanna reiterate, we don't know without a shadow of a doubt if he's guilty or if he's innocent, which is why it's important. To do this investigation. But more importantly, it sends a message that these senators do take these allegations seriously if they had not done the investigation and they just rush through a floor vote and confirmed him that would tell every female in this country right now, every rape victim or sexual assault victim, whether it's male or female, you are not to believed, don't come forward to shut your mouth and live with this inside once, but I'm glad that they're going to do the investigation. Those two women are American heroes, and I have nothing to add to what they said. They have more Honus than the entire Senate combined. Like if you wanna see what. Balls looks like that's those two women. So strong. Okay. When we come back, we're going to get into as Warner Wolfe to say back in the day. No one will understand that reference. We're going to go to the videotape and see if cavenaugh had some very clear lice. So we'll do that when we were, we hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you want to get the whole show and more content while supporting independent media become a member t. dot com slash join today. In the meantime, enjoy this freezing. Back in con- from the members say, we could live happily like they do in Costa Rica or northern Europe vote blue and for progressives that we can have nice things like universal healthcare, eliminate the student loan crisis and strengthen the social safety net. Those are all things that other countries do and they can afford it. But to be fair, they don't give as much tax cuts to the rich or start as many wars. So that's the trade off. What are we going to do? And Dr Koss MD's says, the people in DC are surrounded by people like Brad Kavanagh. How many of those senators went to prep schools and is similar things are even less egregious things but agree. Just on the less they don't want to cabinet because if it can happen to him, he could have any one of them that as Smith similar skeletons in their respective closets. Excellent point. And then finally, this was a tough one, but you know, we advertise our members for great number of reasons. So I wanna read it to med kitty rights, and I watched the video of Jeff flakes interaction with those providers. Earlier today, I'm a survivor myself and felt the pain in those women's voices. The coldness with which senators are able to listen to these stories is something I can't fathom. They truly have no idea what it's like to have every aspect of your life be affected by something someone else did to you. I was five years old when I was sexually assaulted while. I think that if they ignore the credible evidence against cavenaugh and they go forward anyway, there's going to be held to pay and there should be. So if they say to the rest of us, only the angry mails get counted and no one else does. That's a hell of a statement to make the country. So let's hope they don't. Let's hope that that the Daf comes different. Let's see how it turns out. Okay, why don't we talk about some of that credible evidence, one area that is going to have to be part of this FBI investigation. I guess depending on its scope, which they say is going to be limited is going to have to be a thing that came up as a result of breath Cavanaugh submitting his summer nineteen eighty two calendar. This is what he submitted as a defense against claims that he assaulted, Christine, lousy Ford, and he made a big deal out of look at the things that I have here the when we do parties and all of that. The event that she described. In very specific detail in terms of where happened, the people who are present, there could not have happened, but there was a problem with that on July first, he had a description of event in his own words that sounds exactly like what she described and in it he describes a going to Timmy's for skis with judge, Tom, PJ, Bernie and squeak. So let's just I knowledge that when he says we could only party on weekends because we're doing other things during the week, he then admitted, no, this is a July first weekday party. That totally is a party on a weekday. So that entire defense was not true at all, but there's a lot of other reasons to believe that this might be the event that Christine Lasi Ford was referencing. So one thing that's important is that she described during the hearing. She said that she ran into Mark judge while he was working at Safeway grocery store about six weeks after the gathering where she says that she experienced the salt and what's. There is that in one of his books, he references that he worked at a grocery store that would have put it in mid August, I believe, which is six to eight weeks after this July first event. So time wise, it does seem to fit with what another one of the witnesses at the party actually referenced in terms of the membership there. So cavenaugh talking about who was present there. He was talking with the sex crimes prosecutor. He says, Tim, God, Mark judge, Tom Kaine, PJ Smith, Bernie McCarthy. Chris Garrett, she confirmed, Chris Garrett is squeeze which she is. Thank you for that because no one would have guessed that. Now in her previously, she had been talking earlier the day. She said they were four boys. She remembers their break Cavanaugh Mark, judge a boy named PJ someone that she doesn't seem the know very well. But you remember, his name is PJ and one of the boys whose name I cannot remember. Also remember my friend Leland attending. Now, those people supposedly say they have no recollection of this event. They don't say. It didn't happen, which is what cavenaugh told you yesterday they just have no recollection and we are led to believe that she is remembering something that didn't actually happen. It seems pretty amazing difficult to imagine that she is thinking of a sort of party that he has an his calendar that he went to with the exact membership that he has in his calendar and went to, and then attack took place six, eight weeks before something that's also corroborated by another person who was present at that event. He goes on to say that he didn't even know her and yet she knows thirty six years later. Exactly who was going to his party's very small set of people that she's not familiar with. There's a lot of stuff there that doesn't make sense, but I will say one additional thing. This is what we were talking about in the break. Before we came back for the show. You might recall that Mitchell was the prosecutor that asked for all of our questions. Then we begin the questions with cavenaugh and Mitchell resumed asking questions. But at some point they cut her off. Off. She stopped her time and suddenly Lindsey, Graham was exploding and she never came back out again. Do you want to know the thing that she was asking about during the last bit of her questioning this July, first party July first party her time, ran out, dick Durbin to begin speaking. They never went back to her again, so can be that's when Lindsey Graham did the huge hysterics. And so everybody was distracted and all talking about Lindsey, Graham and nobody remembered to go back to the prosecutor. Now the Republicans chose not to go back to the prosecutor. Remember the prosecutor would normally ask the person who might have done it that's more relevant questioning than the victim. And just as she got to the relevant part Lizzy. So mad. Oh my God. They never went back to her. I noticed that right away. It was a look over. Anything that was the explosive, Lindsey, Graham exploding. But I noticed because the prosecutor was asking questions breath Cavanaugh and it was not going well for him just out the gate, even her first line of questioning where she was like, do you know that grinding up against someone even without the intent of sexual anything? Sexual is sexual assault, and he was like, yes, like it just was not looking good. Yeah. I mean, look at the end of the day, she's a sex crimes prosecutor. So Republicans might have made a terrible mistake in deciding to choose her to carry out the line of questioning that they were too cowardly to carry out themselves because she's gonna ask the questions that she sees appropriate and that's exactly what she did, which is why she failed to find any holes in Dr Blasi Ford story and then could have if she was allowed to gotten to the heart of a very important date that could have been the date where this alleged assault took place, but I just want to give you. A follow up regarding what Republicans have to say about how they did away with her after Lindsey, Graham lost his temper. So Senator Thom Tillis was asked about this later, and he said, we didn't expect that Mitchell was going to go the full range. Any sense. Like if you said, hey, look, she's just going to question Blasi Ford. I wouldn't agree with that strategy thing that'd be wrong, but at least it would make sense, but who thought, hey, you know what? This will plant. We'll have her question Ford entirely and then gets a cabinet. And was she is through one or two senators will just make her stop in the middle. That's not a plan. You would have no way that's a plan they had. They clearly changed the plan. You can say, hey, maybe they change the plan for another reason. Lizzy was so upset. He just needed to go off and then everybody forgot that they had. The prosecutor was supposed to ask their questions maybe, but you can't say they didn't change the plan. So I just I want to be clear about a couple of things. Mark judge does deny that that event happened and he was out that party. Okay. Now they're going to talk to him Leland the doctor Blasi Ford's friend, female friend. And he kept saying a Kevin Kip saying, she says it didn't happen. He said, all four witnesses, say it didn't have it. She never said she said she had not witnessed it. She which is true, but the and by the way, this would Blasi forces to. She didn't say that Leland was in the room right says, I believe laws before I believe Christine. So I mean, look, you can say, he miscommunicated another word for that is cavenaugh lied over and over again to the testimony when he said that Leland says it didn't happen. She never said that. In fact, she backs Ford jumping really quickly about that because you know, during Cory booker's line of questioning, he specifically mentioned that Leland had said, I believe her, and he did not respond to that. So so Cavanaugh kept repeating that talking point about how you know all the witnesses, deny it and. Relooking at a lot of that testimony, man, it is hard to come away now thinking that Kavanagh's Aligarh in. So I thought his opening statement, you know, we've got a lot of debate and discussion about that, but maybe because as I talked about in the post game last night when I get angry usually because I mean it right and I'm being honest about my emotions in in the things that I'm describing. And so maybe I overly empathize with that anger there, and I think it's a wrong to -ssume that because he's angry, he's clearly lying. But overall, it's not dispositive either way. Obviously, when you look at the rest of the testimony in the questioning, it becomes clearer and clearer that there was a lot of at the bare minimum inaccuracies let alone lies. But John, I wanted to be credit because I didn't think about it the way that you set it in the beginning. Thinking about that guys, she said before she'd ever seen his calendar. Of course, she didn't see his calendar. When she came forward in July and when she we didn't see Cal novas calendar until very, very recently about two days ago. Right? She said that PJ and Mark judge and cavenaugh were at the party, how would she barely knows them? They knew each other a little bit and soc circus they both agree to that, right. How would she know that he went to a party with Mark judge and PJ. She doesn't. She just says there was a boy named PJ that I remember and it turns out he's got a friend who went by PJ snow, no, no, he's lying. Think about it. Think about it. How does she know she told her therapist about the traumatic event which she describes traumatic event? She says cavenaugh Mark, judge PJ were there. Okay. How would she know those exact friends that went to a party in the summer of nineteen eighty-two? Exactly. Like she described without having any idea that they had gone to a party together except the one she was at an assaulted at by the way. If you were the first of all, in terms of the the sex crimes prosecutor on yesterday, the damage before I said, this is before cavenaugh testimony. I said, isn't it a perverse situation where they bring in sex prosecutor to destroy the victim. But if she ever gets close to hurting the guy who's accused, they are like contractually obligated to pull her Mike and they. Did it. They actually pulled her Mike. That's exactly what they, but I didn't even realize at the time that's what was happening because of the hand that was waving. I got distracted by Lindsey, Graham. But again, everybody says you can just accuse the person. You can just say something hit, prove it, it's he said she said, okay, but what did she say to big problems for cavenaugh one? If you're going to accuse someone of sexually assaulting you, you don't put another person in the room while it's happening. You don't name another person and say that they were there Mark judge. She named him. That is a really weird strategy. If you're going to try to make up out of whole cloth that someone raped to rape, you. Rape you, your friend, why would you put his friend? There's so friends together in the room full well, knowing that he's going to back his friend. Yeah, it makes no sense if you were making it. That makes perfect sense. That's actually what happened. And then on the other side with this party, like if you're going to describe a social event to have all of this confirming information come out that you could never have had access to not only because we didn't have access to the calendar until couple of days ago because who would have the calendar from nineteen eighty two. It just happened that he has confirmed so much of what she said. And if you just find out, somebody says here, details of attempt of crime that happened to me and you say, well, we don't really know. And then so many things get confirmed in ways that you've never could have predicted they actually would that has got to lead you to believe that she is actually right, and now the FBI is looking into it. And here's the thing. Some of this is confirmable supposedly, Mark judges grandmother has a house that matches this floor pan in this area. They can. Go, they can find out and talk to people in the area they can check to see if the floor plan does actually exactly match and all that in the way that she said, this looks so terrible continue to defend him. Just just be honest. I don't know if they're going to get him, but he did it absolutely convinced because I always think about what if it was like the shoe's on the other foot. And how would someone I barely know I know a little bit. No, how I went to a party with specific friends of mine in that summer. How would they know that? How would let's pick names of friends of mine, Steve, David, Jack, you went to a party. We Stephen j even check how the hell would you know that? Right. And how would you know to make that up and that you so certain? What if you get caught? What if I never went to a party with check that summer. Right. But did you make that up and you put it in? Nobody would make that up? No, no, no, no. She's telling the truth and he's lying. She's credible. The way that she was. Describing the events even when she was asked about this PJ boy, I guess she had written somewhere previously, like PJ was a bystander, and she was like, no, actually want to retract that. He seemed like a very nice boy and he wasn't in the room. She's, she's like, she's fingering the two people that were there. And this other guy seemed like a really nice guy don't really want to get. Using the name. Okay. Oh. Cavanaugh. Cavin his name is Brett Cavanaugh and so on even close talking. And so. PJ it's over. It's over. She said, PJ PJ's in the calendar. You can't possibly make PJ and get it right. He did it. He did it. It's only a matter whether they catch him. I think what's more telling about that. He did it is that he does not want an FBI investigation. Every time he was asked. Like, do they're going to pull out the three? Oh, two's, which I don't even know what that means. They just give the three, oh to like, what are you even talking about? If I was accused of something heinous and I was, I'd be like, bring the FBI, bring the county sheriff's, bring urban up in here. Let's all like a uncover every single rock. Because guess what? I am innocent. Af. We gotta go, okay, let's so look, we got a lot more on his lying. We actually have more evidence that shows you that he's not being truthful throughout the testimony. We'll get to that when we return. And when we come back, if you think we're in a rage, Tom rose going to be here from rage against the machine and prophets of rage, and he's going to be the next power panel. Thank you, and thank you, John. Appreciate it. And alright, everybody checkout go fact yourself. Okay. Because they're Asian. Shop TY t. dot com. We'll be right back.
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Martin Luther King leather from Birmingham jail. Lamentably? It is as Stoorikhel fact that privileged group seldom give up their privileges. Montero early individuals may see the moral white and voluntarily give up their unjust posture. But is Ron hold. Neighbor has reminded us groups tend to be more immoral than individuals. What does that mean when it means is up read almost everything that Ron whole neighbor wrote in his books, moral man, and then world society neighbors postures this? He was a liberal Protestant, which means the mirror miracles in those things are off the slate. But that he believed in original sin. He thought it was the most empirically valid Christian doctrine in that empirical sin exponentially. It's groups why do I start with that number one? It's Martin Luther King day in America. Number two. Senator Tim Lee wrote a what I think is fantastic piece in national review today, and he says in the wake of Tucker Carlson's viral populace manifesto earlier this month, which we covered here on the program. Pop. List in Libertarian-leaning conservatives have been debating the same point king. Raise fifty years ago does economic inequality. Depend on individuals good and bad choices or on the social circumstances in which those individuals make the choices obviously the answer is both. But it's important especially for conservatives to dig into the question, and I could hit the desk right now. Because this is what this program has been preaching. This is the prairie populism that we've been preaching. It's important especially for conservatives dig into the question to many of kings, and now Carlson's critics point to America's free ish market economy and declare that opportunity was and remains wide open to anyone willing to work that it's a little bit more than just personal responsibility that they're greater maximums at work. In. That's why Trump was elected. The thought that there are is always say about farmers forces to big defied alone. And this was this was Tim lease introduction into this piece. You can find it national review. Toward the end of his life. Martin Luther King junior turned his attention from an exclusive focus on racial Justice to unequal opportunity more. Generally, the United States was quote, a nation gorged on money in quote, he wrote while millions of citizens are denied a good education. Adequate services decent housing meaningful employment in respect in even respect. And are then told to be responsible. He specifically blamed Pala federal policymakers four quote subsidies of the rich in unemployment and under employment of the poor. So many things get off on there. But we're all start is with this. We have problem in this country. And you see it in the state budget that there are. Elite. Elite economic interests that are have loopholes and in that shorted the rest for lack of adequate healthcare of adequate education. And that's the problem. We're finding in the state right now. And that's why appreciate the state comptroller. Controller Glenn Hager stepping up and saying here's where we can find some money. It's money that is loop hold four elite economic interests. And I don't want to be given the name for somebody who's against the rich because we do pretty well at my house, and I don't think the rich of the problem. I think it's simply a problem of reciprocity. In. That's what Martin Luther King had a problem with. And that's the problem that prairie socialists is some call us. Prairie populist is more. Mainstream have a problem with and. In groups those things begin to compound in exponentially eight in I've got a big problem with it. And that's what I get off on on this program. More than anything else is whenever wealthy interests in not just wealthy. But Uber wealthy interests begin to drive in. That's always my problem with with folks is they come to us these outside interest groups come to us with social concerns that begin to exploit our economic interests. It's not enough just to oppose abortion. You've got to be. You've gotta be for the one percent. A one percent that most folks most all folks will never see. And that's what just. Grinds my gears and wanted to throw a little bone out. Because what Martin Luther King's saw in his Tim Lee lays out in his piece is that it's not just a minority problem. It becomes a underclass problem for everybody in. We are great popular just by virtue of being a Texas Tech fan. You're great populist and populism on the rise in these American states. And for good reason. Lot more to say there. But when I'm going to do now is get on the break. We got killed cylinder state Senator out of Amarillo. His district goes down Amarillo twenty five counties up in the panhandle and then down the New Mexico line. And then into the Permian basin in Texas gonna get him on and play you that interview sick, right? Where you are. You don't wanna miss this? It's going to be fantastic. Whenever you come back in and kill Seliger's complaints against Lieutenant governor sick right with this year. Other side of Texas. This interview has been played up in the media in nam. We're gonna play it for you. Now, exclusive interview mind-numbing interview with kill Seliger state Senator out of Amarillo, and we're gonna play it for you. Now right here on the other side of Texas. On the phone with us is state Senator kill Seliger out of Amarillo Senator you've been at the center of a lot of attention and state politics over the past few days. How are you? Great. Thank you. How are you doing doing? Well, so here's the hullaballoo that you got taken off higher education as chair the in the Lieutenant governor's new appointments that you were on education, natural resources finance. Now. You're the chair of agriculture you're on the committee for health and human services nominations veteran affairs was this a slight to kill Seliger from the Lieutenant governor. I think it was the way it was intended. And because I didn't vote for everything that was one of his priorities in the eighty two pleasure Slater my outing. You mean what? Well to if he's thirty priorities which win. Public school vouchers pan. The. Revenue camps for local taxing entities on a tax. It doesn't affect state of Texas. It only affects school districts in cities. And so but. If there was a slide intended. I don't think it was successful because I will chair the agriculture committee and agriculture is absolutely essential to the Texas economy. And this is the most productive part of the state agriculturally. And so we're going to do some really good things in the committee is is I told you earlier I'm having to Austin today. Even though tomorrow is is a national holiday. We're gonna get together them office a little while and making plans to have strong agricultural sets another legislature as we've ever had. We are prerecording on Sunday heading into Monday when this will air kill soldier kind enough to take some time here. Why the slight kill? I I don't understand what the Lieutenant governor's thinking is. And let me just cue that up by saying that I crunch the numbers. Lieutenant governor won his race his general election by some would say just four hundred thousand one hundred twenty five votes out your district Senate thirty one which is kind of a dumb bell that runs. The what twenty five counties up in the panhandle comes down the New Mexico line and takes in the swath of the basin. He netted eighty seven almost eighty seven thousand votes there. So one would say a quarter of nearly a quarter of what he needed to win came out of your district in if this is slight then it's he's applied that slight to your district where higher education is a pretty big deal. Where education is definitely a huge deal public education. What do you make of it being more about the district being slided than kill Selander in why the slight in the first place? If you're the Lieutenant governor in you need the votes out here. Oh, he can talk about. Excuse me, his motivations as the second ranking Republican these committees, which I think we're really good strong committees were important district into the state. And and I think that we were doing a good job. But nowadays, kind of is I told people this is a warning to other Republicans did if you stray from Lieutenant governor's agenda there will be a price to pay. And I always said that. But the other Republicans do now to this is an interesting time because one of the reasons I won my primary without a runoff was because of local government officials and educators who've had about enough. Of the slides that they get from Republicans in the state with vouchers. It would take money out of public education and things like that. And I was one of only two Republicans who voted against that. I was the only Republican who voted for the principles of local control their disturbs me about the Republican party as a whole largely this is driven by empower Texans down in Austin. And I have a suspicion that they had some suggestions to make on that committee assignments, and and unquestionably. Their requests come before. Mine to me how you found out did the Lieutenant governor call you in or did you just find it when it was posted? The secretary of the Senate sent emails to all of us. I had gotten a call from some lady who works for the Lieutenant governor while I was in a meeting earlier. But the I saw was from the Email from the secretary. You know was the lady Sherri Sylvester. Yeah. She says this Kelsey cylinder. If Senator Salvdor. This is Emma pled offs piece in the texture Byun. If Senator Seliger believes serving as chair of agriculture committee at critical committee for west, Texas and all of rural Texas is beneath him. He should let us know in the Lieutenant governor will appoint someone else that Sherri, Sylvester a little snide in those comments. What would you say to her? With extremely side. It really unbecoming for a member of of the staff. Ten governors or my staff, I didn't say anything of the sort. And that is her Shen is is in disingenuous, and I have a recommendation from his Silvester and her lips and my back in. That's that's pretty that's cleaned up. Isn't that? Yeah. That's pretty clean for radio. Appreciate thank you cleaning up for radio. This would be thinking. Other responses you always do kill solar. We appreciate it. But if Lieutenant governor Dan Patrick believes, the panhandle a critical component of his reelection as beneath him he should've let loaders known. That it was beneath him instead of running those dome. Damn TV ads ad nauseam in the panhandle where he needed it is that you feel about my comment back to miss Silvester. Well, if it's the they're not related events that his consultants work for one of of my opponents, and he will most certainly come to this district. Most certainly the Permian basin to raise money when people Midland call me and say, you know, that senior persons cherry on the the finance deal is is important to everybody and certainly everybody in in the district. We have some real transportation problems in the Permian basin. But that's the way politics go Jay after the end of of the last session. This didn't come as a complete surprise. I wasn't sitting there the other day in shock disappointment. Maybe but not shock. You know, how many higher education? How many components pirates -cation or in your district in Senate thirty one? Well, there's seven community colleges into universities, those being west Texas, saying them and and university of Texas Permian basin. I do an awful lot of things with with people in constituents at Texas Tech because of its size and importance in in the fact that he's becoming more and more prominent in the state in the nation in it needs to be nurtured. You know, you do. I mean, there's an old myth that. Bob Duncan when he was chancellor had a caught in your office. Yeah. Just in case he needed it. While he was down there. No doubt that you've done a lot. And do a lot for Texas Tech university. Tell me. Me. And there's so many things I wanna get into here kill, but. Tell me this is what I hear. I was telling Austin a week or two ago. People call you a free agent that you're going to just lineup vote. The way that you wanna vote, and it may be. With the dims on public education in in tax caps. Or maybe. Whatever other legislation comes up. I find that a little bit problematic because it's not like you were all the sudden a free agent. I think free agencies what got you into the situation in the first place. You're right. Tell us about free agency in kill Seliger. I'm a conservative Republican. And that's what my gender is going to look like I am not so sort of of drone. I'm not owned by empower Texans. And I don't sit around pay close attention to their score court. Like, so many of my Republican colleagues, and I won't I will vote my district and public education estate has got to have somebody on the Republican side about I'll to stand up for the five point eight million kids in our public schools one point five one point six million people in in higher education. Somebody's got to try to set the tone besides empower Texans who are clearly not supportive of public education at all. Lieutenant governor I went through and I looked at percentages, which the Lieutenant governor one governor one in you one in November. Now, you didn't have democratic opponent, which I think speaks to the panhandle down into the basin that there wasn't an opponent. You did have libertarian opponent. What do you make of the Lieutenant governor running some eight points behind the governor in your district? The way I look at it is if the government got mostly Republican votes. I don't think there's a lot of crossover or things like that. It means that they're bunch of Republicans who did not vote down the ballot for Lieutenant governor and some other Republicans. And and I think a lot of those were educators. That's what educators tell me, and I represent all apart of eighty or ninety school districts. Local government officials are genuinely put out and we're some of my strongest supporters as you know, those folks don't exist the vacuum. They may not be many of them, but they talked to people, and and tell them what some of these measures are like. Okay. And whether they like. Well, let me give you an example and a four percent revenue camp. And we all need to do things to talk about property tax. I'm working on it too. But in Parma county north of Lubbock then four percent cap revenue camp they could afford to give county plays a three percent raise. And then if a patrol car went into a ditch or they need roadway painter, they couldn't do it without an election. And if they lose the election that people Parma townie will just go without. And this is always been my thing on the tax caps. Kill cylinder with us here. Other side at Texas. I'm I'm okay. I think I'm okay with the cap, politically speaking principally. I'm not okay with it. But if Republicans will vow that they will disavow people who come from outside the district whenever these quote free and fair elections are held for these rate for these tax caps. Then so long as they keep their word. I'm okay with it. I think that you could see a situation in agains county or Randall county or a Swisher county when outside interests you've mentioned empower Texans come in. And they tried to rig those elections in make the election about something that it's not it's not about patrol car going into unit. It's not about a it's not about a trial that the county has to pay for. It's about something else. Well. There's a couple of points here. It's easy for us to do in the legislature because we get no property tax. It'll goes to cities a few counties get some property tax college districts hospital districts things like that doesn't affects the legislature at all. So if we cut cities in school districts off doesn't hurt people it the other thing is. That people who live in Finney's counties and school districts all over the state can cut their taxes tomorrow. The your county commission can cut the tax rate in the half tomorrow. But they haven't and the voters in Lubbock county. And then random county have insisted that you haven't heard of a race around the state where somebody said, I'm gonna cut your taxes in half in the city of Lubbock vote for me that would be very kept compelling to the voters, but the voters are not insisting on it. And this is local taxes or local issues. If if United States America US congress wanted to limit a revenues and areas like seven stacks the way, which I think is an unfair tax the way that that that the Republicans legislature won't let him limit local tax making thirty. We would go nuts. Those of us who aren't already up. Yeah. Kill SOGA with us here on the program. Some would call you the low man on the totem pole right now. Others would see you. As the swing vote in the Senate right now, lots of talk whenever the Lieutenant governor missed the first the opening day of session was in DC. Did he let you know that he was going to be in DC or did you just show up? And he wasn't there. Out of let some members. No, I knew when we went into meat is a caucus of the whole Senate to talk about the schedule and things like that. I knew about I don't know ten o'clock in the morning. Yeah. So that morning, you know. You know? Insider Nelson did a great job of presiding and we got to the agenda from show. It didn't make any difference. I think it's odd to the point of unprecedented. But that's okay. The Lieutenant governor does what he thinks needs to be done, and we can run the business at the Senate. You know, did he run against you in that election? Is that the way you look at it kill cylinder that his Allen blakemore when his top lieutenants rain against you in that campaign with Victor, Leo. Do you see that election that you one without a run off as you've versus Dan Patrick? Lieutenant governor got involved in some races, including races opposing incumbents. He told me he was gonna get involved in my race. And so far it's anybody has seen. He did not get involved in the rights. Now, did he help raise money or something like that? And I don't know. But he did what he told me. He was going to do. So he kept his hands off of it is what you're saying close as we can tell you so q all that up to say, this there are those lots of people inside the beltway who observed Texas politics who see this. If Dan Patrick were somehow nominated by President Trump to some capacity in DC, you would become the presiding officer of the Senate in the irony of that is that some would see you as low man on the Republican totem pole in the Senate right now, but you could become presiding officer. If he is elected, you would just need a handful of Republicans, certainly the Democrats go along with it. You could become the third most powerful member of legislature all of a sudden. We have a president pro town centre Watson from Austin and we've done governor's office. He would preside until another presiding officer were elected everything else is just conjecture and speculation. Governor said he governor said he's not going anywhere. Yeah. Well, I've never been beyond conjecture and speculation Senator. And he also said he wasn't going to run against the governor do ours. Yeah. Well, closing thoughts for those close to home right now who are listening. What do you want them to know about your vision for this session in your role in the session? My education to my district into the things are important district are absolutely undiminished this next week. I'll be talking to cotton growers week growers milk producers cattle feeders and things like that. And see what can we logically do that the state is stronger in support of agriculture in may than it is today in January? And four listeners. Tell me kill soldier do you in the Lieutenant governor have regular conversation. What is that relationship like? It is polite is is we're obligated to do. And I and I think from day to day they have professional. Is that because you keep it professional or because he does. No, it's it's when we see one another we say Hello. And we'll see we'll see what happens as we get into this session. And I have bills that are ready to go on and tenth, and I request certain bills be sent to the committee. And and we'll just see how I'm treated the members. Don't treat the Lieutenant governor with governor treats the members, and so we'll see what happens. And so you've question can't be answered right now are are like I say or anywhere since or plight and business like are you surprised that you garnered so much attention kill cylinder. Oh, you know since since last session when voted against a link to his thirty party, which by the way is like a nine eighty one batting average people have been saying that something like this was going to happen and have been watching to see how it happened, and what would into and things like that. So I think I know certainly for all committees because he wants to know where everybody's gonna fall in in his going some particular mount of of attention. I'm uncomfortable with too much attention. You think it's been too much because you've been the focus your the story after the first week of the session. Well, yeah, I guess I am. And it's a point to talk about this. Because I think it has to do with the way people around the state and there's around the state of represented, but I think it's the district is more important than on him. And you don't belie- because people will say enough of head interviews on the show before that the agriculture committee is purgatory that federal legislation federal bills federal law draws agriculture. That agriculture committee is purgatory on the on the state level. You don't believe that? It's true that that government federal government policy Reagan ever closer is so important in. So I don't deny the stature. But all those agricultural, you know, how many ever closer parks grown in Washington DC. Almost none. The girl in here. None along those in the store. Yeah. This is where policy goes into the ground ended agriculture transportation and research things like veterinary schools in veterinary science, and so it's very important to the state into this district. What did you make of the this be my last question to you? What did you think of the house putting up Texas Tech's fully what they ask for seventeen million three hundred fifty thousand dollars in the Senate just coming back with four point one seven million? Four point one seven is a continuation of the budget from twenty seventeen the important thing. Jay is to get it in the budget, and it's say lying item in the budget. And it's very very early in the session and Texas Tech has a lot of admirers, really. And when you talk to people the only reason not to support expect better Neri school is because Texas saying and their efforts an exhortation not to. Well. I'm hoping that we can sort of neutralize it. And I've got a lot of help certainly from the three guys up in the panhandle. But most certainly Charles Parry and doesn't boroughs in John. You. You know? Okay. Well, that's where we're going to leave it for now kill soldier the motoring. Treat him in Texas politics right now. Well, I've been telling people there for a long time, but not we're able to justification. Kill soldier have a great week. We pre sheets you making time. Thank you for having me on Jay there. It is that exclusive with kill cylinder gonna get him. With Matt dough trae break some of that down met do tree of Lubbock avalanche journal fame is in studio. We're going to break that down and get into a little bit of local politics here in eight o six stay right where you are right here on the other side of Texas. Overtake ac- not been chill off your phone got food. On the diga Silmi made you sail. The surgery and for something they stay up here about again. Manny. Sta day in studio with us. Now, we have the one in only met trae Lubbock avalanche journal covering local politics all politics there. Right. Okay. Good to see you too. Thanks for coming out your initial take away. You just listen to the interview with kill Seliger. Your thoughts. He seemed he didn't seem as upset as I thought. He would he seemed cordial. And he said he knew it was coming. Do you think do you think that's the case? I think he did K. I think he was expecting the worst in the best all same, Tom. Yeah. Well, he said another Republican has to take the reins for education. So anyone come to mind specifically? No. Because if you look west of thirty five north of I twenty nine another Republican on their on the education committee. I don't I don't know who that would be right, right. I well Republicans in the house. That's where it would come from. Yeah. Not in the Senate. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us what you've been looking over what you've been reporting on is we zoom in. Into Lubbock in things that have got your fancy right now, though. Right. Well, today, most of my day to day was spent with congressman airing ten so I appreciate you. My heads have been in the in class. My head has been in the clouds federal government today. So thinking, thanks for taking me back down to bring you back. Luke, right, right. You know, really at the city council level at the county Commissioner level new year. Everyone's just kind of getting their ducks in a row, really the city council still this has been kind of the city council of planning. So we have that their affair plan this comprehensive plan Tuesday tomorrow, they're going to talk about the water plan. So a lotta pointing moving forward from the city level at the county Commissioner level, it's really. They're talking about roads big road projects, which is something that bond on a bond. Can you love it county? And a bind are words that I have not. Talked about until this past week. So we head judge Curtis perish on the show. You didn't laid it out. This was two weeks ago. Right. He began the layout. What was the bond package? What would become a bond, Pat for roads all over Lubbock county? And this is something the county has this is the first time the county has got has put together a comprehensive thoroughfare master-plan. Of course, Woodrow road is. To whenever he was in studio trae he was talking about because all the hullaballoo in Lubbock right now is about Woodrow rove state highway. And what do you do about that in? I think the numbers I looked at a couple years ago seventeen million dollars to do that road. Well, it seems to me like what the play is going to be is to get Woodrow road done. You're going to do some roads in idol out in shell water in up on the Lubbock county side of Abernethy ah to get everybody on board with the way. It was kind of described to me is that they want to have these projects in place. And that's what the new Commission Commissioner Jason corley told me is that even if even if they receive for the bond. Yeah. But. Right. Privately fun. But but he kind of couple that by saying we don't necessarily need to spend that money. Now, we we don't need we just need 'cause they wanna pursue state dollars. They want to pursue federal dollars in the way to do that. Is you need to be kind of tat least get on the list of priorities. So they believe that. You know, citizens approving this bond and not necessarily than capitalizing off of it. But just kind of having it employs shows that the county's serious, and then the county is willing to put up the this this match be at twenty percent be at fifty percent, whatever they want to pursue which gives matching the county. Would they want the county? No, the county would match kind of like M P O dollars is really what they're going for federal what you mean by NPR, the metropolitan planning organization N P O. Yes, sir knows me which is just kind of this collective. Board that really deals with federal transportation dollars. Okay. So I don't know. But in for listeners Woodrow road is out in front of Lubbock Cooper high school with his the third fastest growing school district in Texas right now. I didn't know I didn't know that. I mean, no prob. I believe it will. That's just what I've heard. Yeah. Yeah. Don't quote me. But that's what I've heard right. Okay. So the county. Coming up with the bond run out of the gate in the new election. Right. And we're still in January. Right. So they were just sworn in. They've they've had one official kind of me. They've had one official a major a major upheaval in. We're already talking about a bond packet. And if they want to put it on the may ballot they need to do they need to vote to do. So by mid February. You think they're going to do that. And put it up in may. All signs based on the interviews. I got with every Commissioner and the judge after this past meeting. I would say, yes, they seemed all in favor of it. I guess there could be a hiccup. I don't really know. February mid-february is extremely fast as you talked about I could see someone getting cold feet. I don't know. So yes, they want to pursue this bond is it as soon as this upcoming election in may. I don't know. Sounds like it's going to be on. That's word. Man, though trillion Sudi, oh, you're gonna hang out with us going in the next segment you, sir. We're going to catch this quickey break here on the other side stick with us back about two minutes. Yeah. You like that new bumper music in thank new sling for that. Brought to you own. Mitt do trae the Lubbock avalanche journal in studio with us met dough trays. So what's going on? We talked about county level. And all of a sudden, we're all into bonds on the county level expecting that to come up. And may I'm saying it, you weren't I'm saying I think they want that Bonn for roads on in may what else is going on locally like at the city level. Is there anything that's even risk as even PG thirteen. Oh, man. There's always something at the city level. What I'm hearing. Now. I mean, no, not really, I guess the city council hasn't really been in the news. You know a couple of weeks. I all is seem now to be on this legislative session. I think the the council has some priorities will ever year that the the recycling the abandoned recycling center on off near I twenty seven with burn down shingles? You know, I think they're going to be fighting again Ingles. And tar all it to see if smoldering up by the air, right? Some help cleaning it up. I mean, that's something that I'm sure we'll be talking about in the future. Something that I need to pursue is something. I'm always looking at his downtown development. I. I think I think something that could come up relatively soon. It is that hotel project over there by the Civic Center, kind of that Overton. Similar to what they did for the Overton hotel new hotel. Right. I I still know this kind of pursuing that. I'm sure we'll be a topic of discussion gets me about the city is that I've stopped criticizing sitting hall and. Tried to be a good citizen locally trying to do that regionally statewide. But. You know, there's this big play to sign up for a city board. Right. Yeah. Like all this hoopla before Christmas right around writer, and so I go on the day and try to sign up, and guess what? I put in only information in its internal glitch and says, you know, the back later and you call and you're like, oh, it's Martin Luther King day. You can't talk to them today. Right. Yeah. Maybe you didn't get the message. Jay, maybe you're on maybe around this. Down. Like, what are we doing? You. Maybe you're on the do not a pointless in your name. Just guide me I've already been on the city board. So I don't even understand why I'm signing up again number one number two. So tell me how that works. So when you sign up for a board. Do you sign up for a specific you check off what you want that board Miami gone far enough in the process. But I think that you sign up for what you want. And I just assume that it's going to be like a time full were what do you want in? Then you go from. There was just just what we just what was happening or what has happened with the Senator. I'm sure there's just kind of like a hierarchy of committees. Just because I hear I've heard from people who aspire to be on these really ambitious local committees. And then maybe they ruffle the wrong feathers. And you know, they put you think ruffled in so therefore out. No, I'm not saying that. But I'm saying, you know. May maybe they'll I'm trying to think of just kind of like, a smaller committee the junk junk vehicle committee. Maybe as where you'll you'll get a place on it. Can you get on the committee? That'd be frowned upon. Right. Right. Yeah. I would never pursue that conflict of interest. Absolutely. And I'm on the radio. So I can do whatever. I. And right columns. So right. It's like, okay. Guys on committee. I think it'd be good on committee. Sure. Okay. What up so your bosses, you said that okay? Matt though tree with us in studios, we closed down the program here. What you've been thinking about what are you gonna get into here? Yeah. So I guess the past few I've wrote in a couple of pieces yesterday's paper had the story about annexation to city's kinda taken a break on. Right. Right. Right. The weekend before that it was about Airbnb fees. You know, whether or not the city should regulate them just kind of some think pieces lately, and what were your thoughts on forced on not four saying accessions, but on regulating Airbnb, he's I sympathize for I'm not a homeowner truth be told, but I sympathize for the homeowners at don't see how you can cannot the person I talked to said it's like a hotel move next door to him. So I sympathize I know they're having a water problems. There was at really good story in Texas monthly this past issue about did you read that about the bachelorette parties in Austin, and it kind of tied into Airbnb in how it's it. It just kind of taking over neighborhoods. Now, I'm not saying that's happening in in Lubbock. But I mean, we're we're a college town. You would kind of you would figure that this is the atmosphere. You know, we go to Colorado, and we'll stay in little towns in Colorado in the summers with the kiddo. Right. And there's a lot of Hillary's in right now about how it's driving making houses so expensive because the value gets driven up so much 'cause it's rented out every weekend. I'm sure I'm sure. Yeah. That's real good point. But you're you're like the ideal you and your families the ideal Airbnb customer. No. But we don't year in terms of neighbors. Okay. I'm just talking with people around town because I'm that kind of door that I just go into town. Like, hey, what kind of issues are bothering? He's going to start off the other. So the Colorado. But go in and talk with well, you know, something's really grinding my gears that our house housing prices are getting so far out the root, right? Yeah. I would imagine. It's an issue in every what do they say? Well, Welby has the seventh highest to it's the seventh tourist destination in Texas. That's true or not. But you would imagine that this is an issue in every kind of town that's able to draw visitors especially the hanger hats on for sure. Yeah. I wonder what it is after the tech lost a couple. But who knows I did we did Phil? What are we going to? Do. We end to win the big twelve now. Of course. You think we're going to win it? I think we're definitely still in play. I think that somebody's got our whole card, man. Our offense will get going. Pretty rough at him dough trae AJ, that's where you follow along on Twitter. Once she put you real picture in your in your profile pic, you don't like the cans Danja pictures, the Georgia to standings. Needs to be used live. Preset you saying that others disagree. Thanks for saying that your mom and dad probably agree with him. I don't think my mom and dad know it Twitter is but all right. Well, appreciate you coming out. I hope this won't be the last time. Of course, not now anytime more regular except on Tuesdays. Why did they move city council that you? Is there argue or not argument? But what they just said Thursday's were busy Thursdays where a busy day. Be it just junior high football, maybe Thursday night football. You know, in terms of I guess PTA meetings may be I don't know. They just said that Thursday's wondering day. That's I just say that. Yeah. That third they felt like they weren't getting the not the crowd. They felt like people can go to the meetings on Thursdays like they could any other day of the week. So tomorrow is the first Tuesday. We'll see how that goes a bit earlier. I think I think now it's at four thirty and said, oh, I see. Yeah. But public comments are still going to be later. I should have brought the I didn't bring the comic laughter five. I think so I think I I think public comments are still at five fifteen but something happens before then I should have brought I didn't know. But we'll see how it goes. Yeah. Thanks. You did good. Good radio. God. Oh trae. Maybe change profession. I feel like I mumble. But I appreciate that unbel- mumble. Oh mumble. I thought you said unbel- without the aid, which I thought that was maybe thing. Hey, four our friend met though, tree and for state Senator kill cylinder. Jay, west, Texas, Leeson guy to get home gonna get home. Great family. And below average dinner below average because my wife's in Phoenix in its daddies. In charge frozen pizza night. It's going we're going to heat up a deserter. No. That were not a work waiting for me there at the house with Graham Graham until next time ray-ban buddies Ravon met, thanks for coming out. But thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you being here. We'll see you next dish in right here. Other side of Texas. It's.
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This Sunday when will this end the government shutdown now, and it's twenty negotiations going no way meeting did not last long, and he just got up and said, then we have nothing to discuss he just walked down. President Trump says he can declare a national emergency. I may do it. If this doesn't work out. Probably I will then insists he doesn't want to rather not do it because this is something that congress should easily do with neither side giving in and congress not even in town. Is there any way out of this, man? Joining me this morning, Republican Senator Ted Cruz of Texas and democratic Senator Tim Kaine Virginia, plus the bombshell Russia's store the New York Times report to the FBI open an investigation into whether the sitting president was secretly working for Russia against the United States at the heart of the probe. Mr. Trump's firing of FBI director, James Komi and evidence that he linked it to the Russian vestige. I said, you know, this rusher thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story. It's an excuse. The president responds by harshly criticizing Komi and other FBI leaders. We'll have New York Times reporter, Michael Schmidt and NBC news legal analyst, Ben witness on what this could mean for the Muller investigation going full. And joining me for insight and analysis, our democratic pollster Cornell Belcher Peggy Noonan column for the Wall Street Journal, Republican strategists Alcott nece and NBC news national political reporter, Kerley welcome to Sunday. It's meet the press. From NBC news in Washington. The longest running show television history. This is the press. Good Sunday morning. We have two stories that are driving this day. The first that explosive story posted by the New York Times Friday night that in twenty seventeen the F B I open an investigation into whether President Trump was working as a Russian asset as the sitting president against interest of the United States. The investigation was opened after Mr. Trump fired FBI director James call me because he mentioned the Russia investigation in his dismissal letter to call me, an because the president told my colleague Lester Holt that he fired Komi in part because of the Russian investigation. Now, it's important to note that the time says no evidence has emerged publicly that Mr. Trump was in fact, working with the Russians when he fired Mr. combing, the second big story of courses this government shutdown now in its twenty third day. And now officially the longest ever what we're seeing is not so much the consequences of divided government, which voters generally say they like because each party axes to break on the other. No what we're seeing the consequences of polarized government with two. Parties often don't talk to each other. Sometimes can't talk to each other. And right now may not want to talk to each other and caught in the middle some eight hundred thousand federal employees who are out of work and not currently getting paid that is actually lead some in Washington to ho President Trump follows through on his constitutionally questionable threat and declare a national emergency as a face-saving way out of this mess. If he does this would be a national emergency designed to solve his own political emergency shutting down the government is not governing for President Trump, the focus on a wall and the symbol it represents to a supporters, maybe the political crisis. He needs to deflect focus from his own legal jeopardy can name it, whatever they can name it peaches. I don't care what they name it. But we need money for that vary. But ultimately, the shutdown leaves the president boxed in and weakened him for the fights ahead. Mr. Trump responded to the time story. About the FBI's counter intelligence investigation tweeting that it was opened for no reason and with no proof and attacking James Komi as a total. Sleaze are you now or have you ever worked for Russia? Mr president. I think is the most insulting thing I've ever been asked. I think it's the most insulting article I've ever had written. And if you read the article you'd see that they found absolutely nothing. The president's mounting legal problems are the backdrop to the shutdown stalemate. Mr. Trump had Democrats are both dug in with no end in sight. I don't wanna give an easy way out of something as simple as this. I'm five nine temper tantrum after floating the idea of a quote, national emergency. I would say it would be very surprising to me that I would not declare a national emergency on Friday. The president said he is not planning to declare one. After all the absolute right to do it. But I'm not going to do it so fast. We need to have an in game. If the end game is emergency declaration by the president. Do it do it now. But most Republicans pan the idea tomorrow, the national security emergency might be, you know, climate change. So let's seize fossil fuel plants or something. Democrats also see no incentive to negotiate. Let's put all of this in context. Right. The the president at this point is holding the American people hostage over his vanity project. Most Republicans are standing with the president for now in his laughable to thank you conceal a nineteen hundred mile border without some sort of barrier, but the shutdown is already causing pain. We wanna work we're not pawns we're not bargaining chips where people including Mr. Trump's own voters starting to get scared. Trump supporter, I think he's done a lot of wonderful things. But this is not one of one White House. Visor appeared to compare the shutdown for furloughed workers to vacation shutdown, and so they can't go to work. And so then they have the vacation, but they don't have to use their vacation days. And then they come back, and then they get their back pay. Then they're in some sense. They're better off. And joining me now from Houston is Republican Senator Ted Cruz of Texas Senator Cruz, welcome back to meet the presser jock. Always good to be with you. Let me start with the fact that you're in Houston and not here. And you're not the only one I'll have Senator Kaine on he's coming to me from Richmond and not here. Why isn't the United States Senate here, sir? Well, it's very simple. I'm here over the weekend. Most senators go home to the state and and come home during the weekend. I came back to Texas on Thursday to travel with the president to go down to the border and so working down here meeting with stakeholders on on the border meeting with border patrol agents meeting with ice officials meeting with families who've had family members murdered by criminal illegal aliens. And and so am down here doing my job will be back in Washington on Monday. I hope on Monday, what will see as finally Washington coming together and opening up the government, what that's going to take is for the Democrats to move off the position that they'd been taking so far of no compromise. No movement. There extreme position they've got to be willing to give him does the president though need to move. He hasn't moved at all publicly. And it's not clear what what the offers are other than concrete to steal. Chuck this actually not accurate. The president has said over and over again, I've been in the room when he said that he's more than willing to compromise. These more than willing to meet in the middle. The reason we have shutdown is let's go back to December December then Republican House passed funding for the entire federal government included five point seven billion dollars for an additional two hundred and thirty four miles of steel barrier. When it got to the Senate Chuck Schumer, and the Democrats filibuster that Bill every democrat said, no we will not allow the government to be funded so long as they're building even a single mile barrier. That's why we have shut down, and that's not a reasonable position. The president's position has been he's perfectly happy to negotiate a compromise. He said many times doesn't have to be five point seven billion. He could find some other number. But the Democrats said, no, they're the only thing they're willing to consider is zero zero zero. That's that is not reasonable. And that's why we have a shutdown. Senator you yourself. I think in two thousand. Seventeen. Was you were lamenting the fact that it that here you had all Republican control of the house the Senate and the White House and things weren't moving very quickly. He didn't make his case for a wall. He didn't. He didn't plow the field over the over that it's two years to try to make this work. And he tried to jam in in the last minute isn't this on the president for his lack of being able to get congressional Republicans to come together much earlier? I don't think that's true at all. I don't think it's the president's Volve Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats are being political. You look at the two years we had Republican control of both houses, we saw incredible forward progress. We saw an stork tax cut. We're saying booming economic results. We've got the lowest African American unemployment that has ever been recorded. The lowest is Spanish unemployment that's ever been. My question was abandoned McGregor sheet. He didn't he didn't. Let's take. He didn't do anything to try to actually get Republicans United on this any jammed it through at the last minute. Well, but that's not actually right. You you remember the fairly remarkable Oval Office meeting between Chuck Schumer Nancy Pelosi and the president. And that's Pelosi said, then she said, Mr President you can't pass this in the house. She basically said, I dare you don't have the votes. He said, yes, I do. And she said, no, you don't I dare you. So he turned around and took it to the house, which was Republican, and they passed it, and Chuck here's the ridiculous thing. The position of Senate Democrats this is not substantive. They voted for it before Chuck Schumer and every single democrat in the Senate in twenty thirteen voted for three hundred fifty miles of additional border fencing and border security. They've now shut the government down onto hundred and thirty four miles. And so I think an awful lot of people are asking, well, if you voted for three hundred and fifty miles why would you force a shutdown onto thirty four that is not reasonable and the president remains willing to come together and compromise. But so far, the Democrats don't wanna do that why not open up the government and just and move that the homeland security debate to the Cy and debate that while you pay government workers. Well, the house passed a Bill opening the government funding all of the government and securing the border and the Democrats position can't be. We've got a force shut. Now, we're going to hold what the Democrats are saying is we're gonna hold federal workers hostage. And let me know you've got my friend. Tim Kaine coming on at a minute. He represents Virginia. There are a lot of federal workers in the in the Commonwealth of Regina. If Tim Kaine and Mark Warner were to say, we're going to put the jobs of the men and women Virginia ahead of our partisan interests ahead of the fact that our base hates nano. Trump Tim Kaine and Mark Morton, it would take only five more Democrats in the Senate to have the votes to say this second Schumer shutdown is over where reopening the government, and we're going to implement commonsense. Border security that the American people want, and I think they would say the same thing about you and your fellow Republicans of the political base. I think that's why we're in this stalemate, I wanna move to another topic here. Let me ask you this. Got him at point Chuck. There is a difference between one side the Democrats who are saying we will not move. We will not compromise. We will not negotiate and the other side the president who is saying I'm happy to negotiate and what he's hosing. The Democrats have already voted for. They're playing politics because they hate Trump. And that's not a good enough reason for Chuck Schumer, and the Democrats to shut down the governor. Let me ask you this. The New York Times reported on Friday night that the F B I after the Komi firing because of of what the president said both in a letter to mister Komi and to my colleague Lester Holt, they opened up a counterintelligence investigation concerned that a sitting president. Was working on behalf of a foreign agent. How much of a concern is this to you? Well, I don't know the details of the specifics there, I know what was reported publicly in the media, and I sit on the Senate Judiciary committee. So we will consider any allegations that come forward. But I'll tell you Chuck something that is really interesting you, and I all work in Washington. But I also come back to Texas just about every week. I'm back outside the beltway. There is an incredible divide between Washington and the rest of the country when it comes to to to Bob Muller and the rush investigation the mainstream media Washington is obsessed with it. And when you get outside the beltway. I I don't find anybody concerned with this at all they're concerned with jobs, lower taxes higher wages more opportunity there concern with secure the border. So the questions I get are not about the latest obsession and allegations about Russia. Russia Russia there about hey. When are we actually going to secure the border winner, we can keep making this country safer? So that's gonna stay my focus as a member judiciary committee are. Consider whatever evidence is produced, but I'm not going to base it on substantiated media report, how about on the foreign relations committee. The Washington Post is reporting that the president basically is is not sharing what he discusses with ladder Putin behind closed doors. Do you think you guys in the Senate ought to for instance, subpoena a translator so that you have a real readout of what the president and bladder? Putin are saying to each other. I think it's premature for that. I've seen the the allegations. I wanna find out a little bit more about about what happened there. I wanna learn more than just the allegations in the press. Listen, I will say if you compare of Jek devoutly President Trump's policies to Russia compared to President Obama's policies to Russia by any measure, President Obama was much easier was much more gentle on Russia you and I both recall Obama leaning over on a hot Mike and saying just before the twenty twelve election tells Ladimir, I'll have a lot more flexibility after the election. Now there they weren't keeping notes. It just happened to be a network had a camera going if you compare substance, for example, Trump went to NATO and urge the Europeans. Don't let the Russians Bill to pipeline through Europe. You wanna talk about what actually makes a difference standing up to Russia that on policy was car, far more important than much of the weakness and appeasement we saw under Obama. And finally before I let you go. Gonna get you to comment on on your colleague. Tim Scott's Ed in the Washington Post about Steve king Iowa. Congressman who is your national co chair for president. He said, he writes this summit. Our party wonder, why Republicans are constantly accused of racism. Well, it is because of our silence when things like this are said king's comments are not conservative us, but separate views that should be ridiculed at every turn possible in question in your times interview, why we find phrases like white white nationalism somehow be offensive where you on the, sir. Well, let's at Tim is a good good man and a good friend. He and I worked together on many many issues. What Steve king said was stupid. It was stupid. It was hurtful it was wrong. And he needs to stop it. I I think all of us ought to be United regardless of party and saying writes, white supremacism white nationalism is hatred. It has bigotry it is evil. It is wrong. And I think we need that clarity. And I'm certainly going to urge everyone to provide that clear are you going to support him in the future. You know, what I'm gonna do is urge everyone to stand for principles that matter this same weekend in Texas. There was a movement from some activists that asked to remove a local official in Fort Worth who was a Muslim. I spoke out actively because it was my home state. I smote act actively against that. I said, listen, we believe in in religious freedom. We believe in free speech. We believe in diversity, and ultimately the voters in in in the Tarrant county GOP did the right thing that didn't remove that official. So I'm going to speak out and engage and when it comes to speaking out against bigotry, whether it is the clan or Nazis or anything else. I have a lifetime of standing up to that bigotry, and I'll continue it Senator Cruz Republican from Texas you coming on sharing views this morning. Thank you, sir. Thank you for joining me. Now from the other side of the information is democratic Senator Tim Kaine Virginia, welcome back to meet the press and Senator I'm gonna start with this. Why are you guys not here? Okay. Why aren't you in Washington this weekend? Trying to force a force away to open up. This government. Will we are trying to work a deal over the weekend to open the government? But I'll tell you why we're not here. I objected to journey in the Senate on Thursday because I have been talking to all these victims of the Trump shutdown. It was President Trump who said he would be proud to shut down the government that it would be on him. He's done that. And people are hurting miss worried about missing mortgage payments, having to reschedule medical appointments, so I have jetted to the adjournment on Friday Thursday, which is very very rare. And then I ended up working deal with the majority leader where we would be in Friday today on which people missed their paychecks the day on which the shutdown became tied for the longest ever and the Republican. Nhs agreed to fast track and pass might guarantee of back pay. I was a co sponsor of a Bill to guarantee back pay for every federal worker. We got it passed unanimously in the Senate President Trump is agreed to sign at the house passed Friday morning. So I think we should be in. But I was able to get the Senate and the house to act to protect our federal employees and I've been on the phone all day yesterday. And I'm going to be on the phone today with Republican colleagues trying to find that pass we can reopen government. Is it time to give the president something here? Let me put a put up a quote here from your from the Virginia delegation Abigail span Berger who just one from district that President Trump carried and she she said this. If I am getting comments and contact from my constituents expressing concern that the Democrats are not prioritizing security than I think we can do better. She's obviously concerned that it looks like the Democrats aren't for any border security. Do Democrats have. To meet the president somewhere north of where they are. Now, Chuck the willingness of Democrats to invest billions of dollars in border security is not in doubt in twenty thirteen. We did a Bill in the Senate that Ted Cruz voted against that was going to invest forty plus billion dollars over ten years. Crews voted against it house. Republicans killed a democrat support border security in February of this year. We took a deal to the president twenty five billion dollars in border security, forty six out of forty nine voted for it. Senator Cruz voted against it. President Trump killed the deal at the end of December. We reached a deal with the Republicans ample border security funding that they supported in committee and on the floor. We supported it just three weeks ago. But when President Trump put out a tweet suggesting hidden like it now Republicans have fled for the hills. Democrats invest over. Over and over and over again and border security just this week. Republicans led by Lindsey Graham, tried to negotiate a deal of border security and President Trump blew up than ago, she mentions this is a guy who is prayed for a shutdown and get this Chuck who is the injuring. We've got thirteen thousand F B I agents more than ten thousand bureau of prison prison guards air, traffic, controllers coast guard folks, who interdict drugs all of them working without pay because of this president shutdown and yet he says he cares about national security when he's taking paychecks away from hardworking public safety professionals. It makes no sense. All that has to happen is the Republicans have to be willing to vote the way they did just weeks ago open up government, and then we'll dialogue about border security. Does sound like though, you're willing to support some fencing barriers if they call it something else if if it reopens the government. I say this we I should reopen government. Why punish people who are applying for food stamps because the president is having a temper tantrum open government, I but Democrats have always been willing to invest in border security. Check all we wanna do is make sure that it spent the right way drugs come in through ports of entry. Let's beef up ports of entry the biggest group of undocumented people in the country come in on legal visas and overstay if you build a million foot wall it won't deal with that problem. What we don't want to do is waste taxpayer money on vanity project. That's ineffective that the president said Mexico would pay for but spending massive amounts on border security to keep us safe demonstrate over and over again. And it's been Republicans that have been blocking Senator on the campaign trail in two thousand sixteen you spent the last two months regularly questioning the president at that time candidate Donald Trump's ties to bladder Putin complementary ways he talked about things. So you have you have those questions that you had a candidate? Now, you have this story in the New York Times that has the FBI. Worried that the president acted on Komi at the behest of the Russian government. What does that tell you where things are now does that mean to Democrats should be looking at actually beginning impeachment proceedings? Or is this something you think let the Muller probe go first how much more, you know? It's it's got we've got to protect them investigation. You're right. I was very worried about this in in two thousand sixteen because the president took a public stage in July and encouraged Russia to cyber hack the election at the same time as my son in his entire battalion were deployed helping allies on the border of Russia. Protect themselves against Russian aggression. I found that highly unusual for any American much less somebody who wanted to be president. But now what we have is more nearly one hundred documented instances of ties between the Trump campaign transition and administration with Russia bazaar failure to be honest about meetings. And now this. Education. The President Trump has gone to unusual lengths to hide the content discussions with Vladimir Putin. But the right answer as you suggest it is to protect the Muller investigation at all costs. Let it gets to its end. Make sure that the results are made. Are you concerned side? Are you concerned though that the FBI look like at overreacted in trying to investigate a sitting president this? This is a pretty alarming investigation that the city president was acting against the interests of of the United States of America. Well, I flip the question around shock. I think it's less did the FBI overreact. I think the question is this they had to have a very deep level of concern about this president to take this staff. And that's again, why we need to protect the Muller investigation. And I think that's going to be a critical issue in the judiciary committee hearings about the attorney general nominee would you guarantee to protect this investigation. And will you make sure that the American public and congress get the results of it? Senator Tim Kaine. Democrat from Virginia. I have to let you go there. Thanks for coming on onto views. Scher absolute. When we come back. We're going to have more on that story about Russia. The FBI and President Trump talked to Michael Schmidt. He's one of the New York Times. Reporters broke the story in NBC news legal analyst Benowitz on why this store maybe even bigger than. Welcome back. We're going to dig a little deeper into the New York Times story about President Trump and Russia, frankly, we think it deserves an explainer. So with me now, Michael Schmidt, one of the reporters who broke the story about the counterintelligence investigation into whether Mr. Trump as sitting president was working as an agent for Russian. We also have been with us. He's an NBC news legal analyst editor in chief of the national security. Bog law actually worked with Mr Schmitt on this story, gentlemen? Welcome to both of you. So michael. Walk us through the piece here the designation is a counterintelligence investigation. We've always thought of the Komi firing and the Muller aspect is simply obstruction of Justice as sort of separate, but we're calling counterintelligence and it's a bit confusing. Why? So it was a two pronged investigation. It had a criminal aspect did the president break the law in trying to obstruct the investigation interfere with it and this other Russia question, and it's important as as you said because our collective understanding was much narrower. It was just on instruction did the president break the law there. And now, we know that it was for broader at had national security concerns. The FBI was afraid that the firing of Komi was a way to help the Russians. Stop the FBI from figuring out what they did in the election. Are they is this still a counterintelligence investigation to whether Mr. Trump himself is acting as a Russian agent. That with the Muller probe inherited. We know the Muller probe inherited it, we know the Muller profe- spent an enormous amount of time trying to figure out what the president has done in office in regards to the investigation his interference with if talked all these White House officials do we know if there is still this belief in aspect at the president's working for the Russians I can't answer that. All right been. This was all the base sort of not of the scoop by the time it was based on testimony by now a former FBI general counsel James Baker. And this is what he told congress. And this was in the New York Times story about why viewed it as counterintelligence he said this not only would it be an issue of obstructing investigation. But the obstruction itself would hurt our ability to figure out what the Russians had done, and that is what would be the threat to national security. It led you to write that the collusion question. And the obstruction question are now the same thing collusion is obstruction in vice versa. Explain well, so as Mike just described we had sort of thought of the obstruction investigation as this kind of separate criminal investigation that arose at the time of the firing in other words that you had this underlying election interference investigation going on this so called collusion investigation. Then the president comes along and kneecaps the investigation by firing the FBI director and a few weeks later, we learned that Bob Muller is investigating the weather. That's obstruction of Justice crime the significance of Mike's an Adam Goldman story is that it forces you to re imagine the how the FBI understood what it was doing which has Mike just said, and as the quote that you read from from Jim Baker reflects was we had this investigation for national security reasons of Russian active. Vity then somebody on the US side, the president of the United States took some action that kind of looks like they're trying to shut down the investigation that raises national security concerns about the weather. We will be able to find out what the Russians were doing whether we will be able to stop what the Russians were doing. So the bureau understood appears to have understood what happened in terms of whether the president was working with the Russians that's a very different thing. And it collapses the obstruction inquiry into that larger collusion inquiry. So Michael it made me think of another scoop of yours about how say month ago six weeks ago where you had rod Rosenstein, supposedly saying should I wear a wire talking about the twenty fifth amendment. And the question is was he serious was at just sarcasm when you open a counterintelligence investigation on the president United States. You have an FBI it's going to get sign off the Justice. One would assume it came from rod Rosenstein since he was overseeing. But is that where this may have come from when they're trying to figure out should I wear a wire with they're trying to figure out how do you investigate the sitting president United States? They were struggling with that in these two stories take us inside. Let us see what the FBI and the Justice department were looking at in this critical period of time a little more than a week in may of twenty seventeen Komi has just been fired. The FBI is thinks there could be this huge threat coming from them Rosenstein had just provided Trump with a rationale for firing Komi that wasn't Trump's rationale. So the FBI is looking at Rosenstein, who's overseeing the investigation skeptically. So they were not trusting him at that time. He had just provided incorrect or a not what the president's rationale was for the firing. He's supposed to be overseeing the investigation. So they're sitting there. They know there's this larger investigate. Action into Russia thing. No, there are these questions about the election, and they are struggling to figure out what to do. And it is in that context that they open this investigation. All right, legally, the obstruction question has always been you can't indicted sitting president, maybe they can't even interview him about his actions as a sitting president. But if it's part of a counterintelligence does that give Muller better shot at having the president and having it being upheld? So I don't think it affects the likelihood that a subpoena would be would have legs one way or the other. I do think it will profoundly it should profoundly condition. Our expectations of what Muller's report is gonna look like meaning so much more damning well, much much more of a continuous story. As in the Russians did this stuff to influence the election. And here are all the things that we investigated on the US side that May June done in support. Sort of that people lying people doing x y and z president trying to shut down our investigation. I think I think it provides a through narrative potentially to the report that is potentially quite profound. Michael schmidt. Ben witness Shitu trying to help us out here. Basically now instead of Trump is the hub and everything else is the spoke Russia's the hub Trump's spoke Russia, full, stop Veritas, you guys when we come back does President Trump hoped the government shutdown will deflect attention from the Russian destination. Panelists here democratic pollster Cornell Belcher Peggy Noonan columnist for the Wall Street Journal NBC news, national pickle, Puerta, Kerley and Republican strategist Al cardinals. Welcome. All okay. Like, everything in the Trump era Carolee, there's always a government uncertainty and then scandal uncertainty. I'm gonna start with this FBI story because on one hand, it seems gigantic and on the other hand you see because I found it interesting Senator Ted Cruz did not exactly dismiss the story. I do think it is landed with a level of concern in Washington. Yeah. It was interesting. He said, I don't know the details will need to learn a little bit more about this to look into it. I think what we've seen and we saw this a little bit with Michael Cohen developments several weeks ago that Republicans are getting a little bit more nervous. The big questions coming out of this near times report is. Whether this counterintelligence investigation bobbing, the president with the status of that is and then this question of whether he the question they're asking whether he was wittingly working for the Russians or unwittingly under Russian influence, and we've already seen in some of Muller's indictments that there are Americans out there who were unwittingly under the influence of Russians. I think it's interesting that a number of things that all of us have covered, and that Democrats then and presents critics have have used against him on these various data points. Whether it's changing the platform during the at the Republican convention or Russia, are you listening. Can you get Hillary Clinton's emails these various really raised very serious, and we're just political talking points. They were seen as very serious within the FBI. And then eventually that boiled over with the Komi firing. So I I think we're going we're supposed to see Muller's report soon. And if it is airtight and is of high significance in this. This particular piece is is real then you'll see probably Ted Cruz, get even more. Would you get from this? Listen first thing, we can't forget is fact that this investigation, soap and to see what Russia's meddling in our election process was all about what fears was all about who else may be culpable. In addition Russia, we already have hard facts on during both -ment with social media. We have art factual other things at the beginning. You know, there's a lot of speculation that depressants objection was purely political based on the fact that, hey, they're questioning challenging by electa -bility the and so I'm going to fight back because I don't want people questioning integrity of being elected a lot of other things have happened since a lot of indictments of people into presence at ministration have taken place. All of a sudden, the, you know, the inquiry looks far more personal than political. And so we'll questioning worse. Thing going to lead us to the F B I's boasted turn suspicion into fact. That's what investigations about their suspicion as to why would you fire Komi why this beyond just political strategy? And so, you know, we'll see where it ends. We already know that there are a lot of people close to the president with Russia. Whether he personally got whatever recen-, we don't know. So we'll see. We are talking about a major newspaper report that the Federal Bureau of investigation in America has launched a counter intelligence probe against a sitting president based about plot. You know, what you would reject it at he'll were produced a little over the top. My only thought coming out of this beyond astonishment is thought that, you know, congress must know something about this because indeed they probably have been dealing with the FBI on this. They know a few things. I also think my goodness. This Muller report. If this is what we're talking about. Could we please get it out there quickly? Yeah. This it's funny. It's like we're sitting in the shutdown Cornell, and you have this out there. It does color everything that we're facing us right now. Well, you know, I think two things one is I want to underline the all the people around. The Trump campaign involvement sort of touching base with with Russians because we learned that that that they they pass polling information onto the Russians Chuck as as a campaign poster, our polls at our campaigns are sort of what you see. Hore shot the horse race, it is strategic. Right. What we're doing in? These polls. Are we are? We are outlining strategy in decisions, and where you should target and for a campaign to be giving it to the Russians. How was that not collusion? Right. I don't know if this collusion in court, but in certainly in the public opinion, it has to I smells like a duck south adult walk like a duck. It is. In fact, a duck is har- say this. That's not collusion. Well, say this the on the other side of the of situation. Here's where some recent immune investigation. Clear spreads and Trump. Yeah. I mean, that's that's a death blow to a lot of democrat hopes as well. That's point preparing they're ready for basically streetfight over this. I mean, they're saying that they're going to executive privilege and say that they want to see the report they're going to try to certain you've done a lot report on this. He's really Giuliani was blindsided that the obstruction. I can't figure this out. Do they know that obstruction encounter Intel of the same thing or not I think they know this? I think that new it until now, I mean, it's no it's hard to know know, sort of what they know. And I think that from their perspective that is the biggest problem that they have is that they're trying to go in there preparing to wage this battle against the report. They wanna write their own report. They want to review it. They won't challenge it and basically executive privilege to cover some portions. Of it up potentially. But the problem that they have is that they don't actually know what they're going into fight. And I think we've seen that particularly with the strong the pushback here. I don't think down is a democrat in most around going the president colluded. I don't think that's sort of the death wish for Democrats. I'm democrat a pretty liberal Democrat. I hold the president didn't collude because at the president colluded. We have something larger more problems in this country than than the Republican versus versus especially how well he trashed the FBI right now. Now, we know of this year long, your and a half long campaign that trashes the FBI. And now, we have this news. This is disconcerting. You know, what we're talking about it bottom is what is the story with Donald Trump and flat. Amir. Okay. That's really what we're talking about. And I have to tell you Republicans Democrats liberals conservatives, I think we would all like an answer one question. I have is why has the prison kind of bragged that with Lester Holt and with Rosenstein that his reasons for his firing of Komi were Russia. If you're a Russian operatives, you're not bragging, the reasons is Russia. Can I say, I've never understood this part of the story. Maybe maybe he needed to let somebody know that he was doing it for that reason. I that's the thing with Trump. You just don't know are gonna pause it. Here we got some shutdown conversation talk about as well. So when we come back we're going to get to that. But first not long ago, Republicans love calling Democrats liberal. They didn't mean it as a compliment. And for a while it was affected today. Democrats are embracing the label that's next. Data download time when it comes to ideology, there's actually a degree of difference within the party's not just between them. There are conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. But here's a question we had in response to data released from Gallup this week. Among Democrats is the term liberal no longer a dirty word oil that have some impact on twenty twenty twenty thousand was the first time majority of Democrats fifty one percent of called themselves. Liberal thirteen percent said they were conservative while only thirty four percent Democrats refer to themselves as moderate it's quite a change from where things stood when Bill Clinton was president in one thousand nine hundred ninety four twenty five percent of Democrats, call themselves liberal twenty-five percent, call themselves conservative the rest moderate, and such as Democrats, by the way or more comfortable calling himself liberal the public overall is more comfortable calling themselves liberal, the nineteen Ninety-two seventeen percent of Americans said they were liberal in two thousand eighteen the number is now twenty six percent nine point increase. And then. The same period of time. The percentage of folks calling themselves conservative remain, mostly flat among the electorate as a whole while the percentage of moderates has decreased by eight points, a low polarization now the shift in language, we use actually Mirroring the shifting attitudes in our politics, consider issues that used to be criticized as too liberal in the mid nineties only twenty five percent of Americans were in favor of marijuana legalization and only twenty seven percent believe gay marriage should be recognized Twenty-eight teen those numbers sixty six and sixty seven percent, respectively, and these are just random issues. Bill Clinton was the democratic candidate who felt that he had to say he didn't inhale marijuana, and he was the democratic president who signed the defensive Marriage Act. These issues were big part of his candidacy and presidency. Here's further evidence. The electorate has shifted left in one thousand nine hundred to forty one percent of Americans believe their taxes were about right or too low believe it or not in two thousand eighteen majority of Americans fifty. Percents of the same thing. None of this is to say the United States is now some fashion liberalism more people overall, still consider themselves, moderate and conservative. But the Democratic Party moves even more leftward in the age of Trump pay attention to how twenty twenty Democrats handle issues. The liberal base of the party is pushing like Medicare for all or abolishing and replacing. What are you come back end game? And why the second time around is looking a lot tougher for Bernie Saint. And game brought to you by Boeing continuing our mission to connect protect explore and inspire. And game. Welcome to blame game. We have the first national polling out who do you blame when it comes to the government shutdown our friends over at the Washington Post ABC, they're out this morning. President Trump in the congressional Republicans. Fifty three percent deserve blame for the shutdown. Congressional Democrats twenty nine percent Peggy Noonan those numbers aren't close. Now, they're not. But I think what will end this thing. First of all, I think both sides are obviously dug in I think this is a moment in which politics is totally triumphing over reason. I think neither party is looking to the country. I think they're both looking to their base. I think the solution is a trade of border security for Dhaka for the dreamers. So so that's the side thing. But I think what settles this home mess is the public coming forward and saying we're mad up both of you. You are screwing this up. It's been twenty years. Get a policy this pet Peggy. Which is not surprising. We disagree with each other. Sometimes listen, the holy isn't close. Right. And by thirty five points, women, blame Trump Republicans more more more, the Democrats and by twenty points independence, blame Trump. And so when you look at this from electoral and political standpoint, we hadn't what nine million more voters vote for for Democrats this past time from a political standpoint shutting down government for an extreme position that the vast majority Americans. In fact, don't want to have happen is not good politics. And it's going to it's only sort of seals in your base. And again, what I've said about about Trump anytime before is he has not someone who has grown the Republican party over the last couple of years. He has not made it a bigger tent party. Al inside this number. I got here's the thing. And this is where you wonder if there's a perverse incentive structure here inside this poll, a plurality of Democrats say Democrats should not move from their position even. It means the shutdown to go on a by forty two thirty seven narrow margin. But more Democrats want him to stick to their guns than compromise. Fifty eight percent of Republicans want the president to stick to his guns. Only twenty two percent wanna see compromise. So the basis of both parties more people don't want him to compromise compromise. Well, you know what everybody's worrying team jersey. Everybody's supporting their particular base. Regardless of marital, the case truth matter is that you know, a center Tillerson dealer days. Look Democrats voted for the one point six billion dollars for the wall just weeks ago, the building pass a Senate, but we voted for it. And then depressing came up with five billion and five point seven billion. Apparently didn't give them at recent why he up to the anti, but you could settle for two and a half billion dollar Wallis pay said throw into DACA kids, which precedents at before. And and get government back together. Again to me, this is putting politics over country politics over eight hundred thousand workers on both sides of the fence. I think frankly, they're equally to blame. There's no reason why you can't end they through this. At this wall is not the overall answer anything, it's one of many, potentially greediest and and. It just it's just my opinion. As silly recent keep government closed. This is an existential political crisis for the president because they're two things that are just incredibly important to his brand tied up in this one that he's a big negotiator, and he can get deals done and two is the wall. And I thought Newt Gingrich hose an ally of the president's had incredible quote in the Washington Post where he said that the president's entire reputation and relationship with the base is on the line. And the base is all he has if you if you look at his polls now the same Tony of Nancy Pelosi. This is our first big Mark. And she can't afford to to screw that up. And so what you see is the White House kind of trying to do this reverse policy making that we've seen them have to do before. Because the president's announced his endgame without actually having strategy. And you know, what they're going to try to do is pick off these Democrats that they think might come around and try want to compromise whether or not that's gonna work, you know, who knows? But the longer this goes on no one lineup looking. Are before I go Cornell. You're the pollster in the bunch. I wanna put up a straw poll that we had from daily coast only twenty twenty comment. Get this thing and it showed here. These are sort of activist Democrats, I put this up here. The top five Bernie Sanders sits in eleven four years ago. Bernie Sanders had nearly seventy percent of these folks what's going on here. Well, you also remember that Michele Bachmann one straw polls. Straw poll. A lot of what Bernie Sanders I think represent it was the choice against Hillary Clinton in primary. I think someone that was more a vehicle for anti Hillary than vehicle Bernie show. Saint new is. That's all right. That's all I have for today. A jam show as you saw. Thank you for watching. I really appreciate that. We're back next week. Because if it's Sunday, it's the press. Thanks for listening to NBC's. Meet the press with Chuck Todd podcast. You can listen to MSNBC twenty four hours a day seven days a week on tune in.
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