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This Sunday lashing out at Muller. President Trump says he's finished answering the special counsels written questions, I write the smaller. Joe right inches. I right answers and goes back on the attack against Robert Muller holding. So it was no collusion with more indictments expected soon. Democrats want to build a protect Muller. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell says no Lindsey Graham insists the investigation is safe. I'm confident is not in jeopardy talk last coulda showdown. Over Muller lead to a shutdown of the government this morning. I'll talk to South Carolina, Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, plus the CIA determines that Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, ordered the murder journalists Jamal Kosovo G, but will President Trump except that conclusion allies twenty Arabia, also the Democrats Ohio hope let them hear what we say. Let them see what we do is shared Brown. The democrat who can win back Ohio and working class voters in the mid west that is the blueprint for America for twenty twenty. He sounds like he's running for president is e my interview this morning with Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio. And that quest why both parties can find encouraging signs and dangerous signals for twenty twenty in the term results. Joining me for insight and analysis are NBC news chief White House correspondent Halley Jackson. Rich Lowry editor of national review, Michel sinned or White House. Correspondent for the PBS news hour and CNBC editor at large, John Harwood. Welcome to Sunday. It's meet the press. From NBC news, Washington. Longest running show in television history. This is Chuck. Good Sunday morning, everybody for nearly two months. We've heard little from special counsel. Robert Muller, nor have we heard much about Muller from President Trump. They both went quiet. It's possible. The silence has worked and Mr. Trump's favor the term exit poll found that forty six percent of those polled disapproved of Muller's handling of the rush investigation. That's of course, almost exactly equal to the president's job rating and the Republican House vote share just forty one percent approved of the Muller pro, but with the midterm elections over the president unloaded this week on Muller and his investigation both in tweets and in an interview with the daily caller. So what led to the efforts is it because new indictments are expected soon possibly, including the president's son. Donald Trump junior is at the prospect of a new democratic majority in the house launching a ton of investigations is it the bipartisan criticism of his choice of Muller critic, Whittaker to be acting in general, or is it simply the fact that the president had to answer any written questions at all from Muller, which he acknowledged doing this week, whatever the reason, Mr. Trump. Turning up the temperature again on the special counsel, just as the prospect of a government shutdown gets linked to over whether we want to protect Muller from the president. We do that next. They're all President Trump revealing that after nearly a year of negotiations. He has answered written questions from Robert Muller. I read the answers Louisville right inches. Mr. Trump accused prosecutors of setting a perjury trap trick because you know, they like to catch people the weather sunny was raining instead may have been good gay. It was rainy therefore he told a lie purchase high on Thursday. The president tweeted without evidence that Muller's team is screaming and shouting at people horribly threatening them to come up with the answers. They want. Agitated, and in an interview with the daily caller when asked about who is considering a permanent replacement for attorney general Jeff Sessions, the president immediately brought up the mother probe saying it's something that should have never been brought it's an illegal investigation theory, not at investigation of me. But it's as far as I'm concerned, I like to take everything personally because you better that way this week lawyers challenging gallery of acting attorney general Matt Whitaker's appointment took their case to the supreme court. I think a lot of the questions involving Mr. Whittaker in the acting g could be eliminated if we had a nominee as a commentator CNN Whitaker floated ways to weaken the Muller pro by defunding and last week vox reported that he privately provided advice to the president last year on how he might be able to pressure. The Justice department to investigate Mr. Trump's political adversaries, including Hillary Clinton and even pressure. The Justice department to name a second special. Counsel to investigate her. Why in the world we would be so sanguine about this? And allow it to happen. Just beyond me. Now. Retiring Republican Senator Jeff flake is making it clear he won't vote for any more of the president's judicial nominees until the Senate votes on a Bill to protect Muller's job. What occurs express still toward this probe. He's suggested ways to diminish it through starve it of funding, for example. And there's this threat from Democrats if Whitaker does not recuse himself. We Democrats are going to attempt to add legislation to the must pass spending Bill in the lame duck session that will prevent acting attorney general Whitaker from interfering with the Muller investigation in any way. But so far Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell is refusing to bring any Muller Bill to the floor. We know how the president feels about the molar investigation. But he's never said he wants to shut it down. And joining me now is Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who is likely to be. The next head of the judiciary committee next year. Senator Graham, welcome back to meet the press. Thank you very much. And I don't mean to get ahead of things on judiciary. I know that that is not a done deal yet. But it is likely let me start. Let me start with something that Senator McConnell said there at the end of our piece that the president in a despite all of the noise the president hasn't threatened to shut it down. He has quite a bit on Twitter one. And it shut down has sort of said in the either he would like it to have be shut down. Are you confident the president or the acting attorney general is not going to shut down this pro. Yeah. I'm very confident. It'd be a disaster for the Republican party for the Muller investgation to be terminated or shutdown or played with is close to the endless. See what he finds? I can understand why the president doesn't light investigation. He feels wrong diet. I remember the Clinton Ken Starr episode pretty, well, this is sort of standard practice. But I think most Republicans on Capitol Hill and Democrats believe that Mr. Muller should be allowed to do his job. And I have no indication he's going to be interfered with at all. I know you've said you would support this Bill this Meller, essentially the Muller protection billion. You voted for it in committee, and the Democrats have talked about connecting it to the spending Bill. In using their votes in the house that will be needed as leverage do support that move. Not really. But I'll I think mitt should bring it to the floor unless vote on Jeff flake says he's not going to support judges until we get a vote on the Muller protection Bill, which I wrote, by the way, some people think is unconstitutional. I feel good about it. So I think the best thing the Senate could do is just bring this Bill the floor advice. Why won't the Senator do that? Why won't Senator McConnell do that? He seems pretty adamant we've read we've had our own reporting about this. It's pretty that that Senator flake and Senator McConnell got into it a little bit. And you were probably in the what can you tell us about? Why Senator McConnell is is the roadblock here? Thanks is constitutionally thinks is not necessary. Again, I have draft the Bill Senator Booker. I think is constitutional add like devote on it. But I having said all that. I don't see any indication all the Muller probes going to be interfered with by Mr. Whittaker our President Trump. But he's the majority leader not me. But if it were up to me would be voting on the Bill and see where the votes are. You think the gambit by Democrats to connect it to the to the spending Bill threatening shutdown will change Senator McConnell's mind. Oh, I don't know you once you give into that kind of stuff. It never ends. It might actually be counterproductive because as majority leader got two thousand demands. And if they link all of them to shut down the government probably counterproductive to threaten that. I would think you met this week with the new acting attorney general. Yeah. A couple things you said that it would be a mistake a disaster for Republicans earlier in our interview here that if they even nest with it at all are you confident that the new acting attorney general is leading the probe go. He's not these not real not gonna touch funding not gonna interfere at all. Yeah. I am. He said that he's going to support the regular order process under the law, special counsels reports the deputy attorney general in any recommendations or sent up to the attorney general in this case, the acting attorney general he said he's going to let regular order prevail here. In other words, he's not gonna reach out and try to stop the investigators try to rod. Rod Rosenstein, still overseas Muller. He's in the chain of command. The initial report comes to the Debbie Torney, general whatever the request is by the special counsel, and that goes up to the acting attorney general final approval he's in the chain of command. But the final decision making would be by Mr. Whittaker after meeting with them if the president nominate them as a permanent replacement. Could you imagine supporting them? Too early detail. You know, he was yes. Attorney for five and a half years. He was sessions deputy for year and a half. He said some things that would probably be problematic to be confirmed. But having said that I was very impressed. With his attitude is professionalism, and he's got a very solid resume. So I would encourage the president to pick somebody fairly soon. So we can heavy permanent attorney general going into the first part of next year. Does that mean not Mr. Whittaker when you say like him to nominate someone very soon? No. I mean that's up to the president US me about missed Whitaker nothing against in. I don't know if he's the best choice you hear about Mr. bar. Former attorney general that's a good choice. There are a lot of good names out there. I would just encourage the president to start twenty nineteen as soon as we can with the new attorney general that he has confidence in we can get confirmed. The fact that you named drop the former attorney general Mr. bar does that mean, that's your preference that your first choice. No means I read the paper and his a lot. So. So. It won't be me less Jin with it. It's not gonna be me. He's got a lot of good choices. I'm not one of I take your point on that one. Let me ask you about you. Have you have indicated an openness to a second special counsel? You're now likely going to be headed to dish. Sure committee. Why jumped to a second special counsel when it comes to the FBI's handling of all of these investigations. Why can't you do it? I why can't it be done in congress of before you decide you need a special counsel. Well, the one thing I'm not suggesting that we go back and try to repress acute secretary Clinton. That's not what I'm suggesting amp suggesting that people department Justice FBI in the early stages of the Russian investigation. The dossier was used to get a warrant that. I think was very inappropriate. They seems to be some political bias about how the Clinton Email investigation was handled. We need to get to the bottom of all of that. But I'm not suggesting we prosecute her. And let me take a shot at this. And maybe you're right. Maybe the committee can do it. But I'll I'll let you know more early next year. But we're going to definitely look at this stuff. Speaking of the committee. Let's be Frank. It feels as if senators Grassley and Feinstein. The relationship broke apart. Okay. And we can come up with a lot of theories as to why what are you going to do to to repair the damage that was done during the cavenaugh hearings at the district committee. Well, the cabin or hearings were I think did a lot of damage to the committee and to the judiciary. And we got to start all over the good thing about elections, Chuck is restored as a reset of democracy. We got a new group of people coming in a fresh start a like, Diane. I don't think she did anything inappropriate individual in the cabin hearing worth her the best. I can prison in sin. It soon reform. I know you're going to ask me about that. You know, I promise. Well, I think there's something I think is something we can do in the lame duck here. But I promise Diane and all the Democrats on the committee to try to find a way to do something on immigration. There are a lot of things we could do on that comedian about partisan passion. What it really means? You're in the middle of a lot of stuff impact. I do a lot to get to here. I want to go to Saudi Arabia here for a minute. NBC news f- confirmed that the CIA has concluded that the crown prince himself. Mohammed bin Salman, ordered the. Assassination of the Washington Post journalist and columnist Jamal kashogi. Do you accept that assessment? I haven't been briefed. But I believe from day one that fifteen people eighteen whatever the number was they don't get onto airplanes go to Turkey and chop up in the consulate who's a critic of the crown prince without the crown prints having known about it and sanctioned it if you know anything about Saudi Arabia anything about NBS, the fact that he didn't know about it is impossible for me to believe if he is going to be the face in the voice of Saudi Arabia going forward. I think the the kingdom will have a hard time on the world stage. They're an important ally. But when it comes to the crown prince, he's irrational, he's unhinged. And I think he's done a lot of damage to the relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia, and I have no intention of working with him ever again. All right. Well, the president seems hesitant to name NBS, which is what he's a faction. Known using had been some on there for viewers. But I noticed he was not on the sanctions list is that a mistake. Well, I want to see what the says, but I'm working with Senator Menendez to to invoke the Minsk yanked to all concerned. And we're not gonna make these fifteen Saudi security agents, the fall guy here, I'm going to do whatever I can to place blame where I believe it lies. I'm put it at the feet of the crown prince who has been a destructive force in the mid east the embargo guide or without telling anybody this warn you men's got completely out of control put the prime minister of Lebanon at our house arrest is clearly this guy's a wrecking ball when it comes to the mid eastern relationship, the United States, and I hate to say that I had a lot of hope for him for being the reformer that Saudi Arabia needs. But that ship has sailed as far as Lindsey Graham's concerned. Why do you think the president and Jared Kushner son-in-law who I knew get became quite close to NBS? Why are they so insistent on trying to trying to salvage NBS's? Well, I think it's an important relationship. And I'm not telling Saudi Arabia who to make Trump prints or who to put in charge of their country is up to them. I am trying to tell them and the world that when it comes to the crown prince that exist today, I think he is been a hit shown a lack of appreciation for the relationship. He stepped all over our values. He's put us in a box. And I'll leave it up to the president to find out how to handle Saudi Arabia from the executive branch side from the legislative branch side. We're going to do as much as we can as hard as we can to send a signal to the world. This is not the way we expect an ally to act what happened in Turkey, violates every norm a civilized society. And it will not stand in John McCain were alive today. He'd be the first one saying that the crown prince's brother is, of course, the embassador to the United States his phone. Call to Kosovo is one of the pieces of evidence us to conclude that yes, this was. Was an order from from NBS. Should he be welcome back to the United States ever again as an ambassador? No. All right fair enough. Let me move to criminal Justice reform. I feeling that was that would be the your answer to that question. There's the theme in my answer's yes. Oh, yes. No. I think it's pretty crystal clear where you stand on this. Let me ask you about the criminal Justice reform Bill because politico wrote this about Tom cotton's opposition to it noting this on Thursday, he stepped up his public potshots at what he's called a quote jailbreak proposal, it's a counter campaign that one fellow Senator believes came at the request of majority leader Mitch McConnell. Do you believe the majority leader is trying to quietly kill this Bill in the lame duck. No, not really because Tom cotton's head this from day one. What we're talking about is basically creating a new sentencing system that will give African American male and Hispanic mill. Detainees a chance to get out of jail. Earning their way out of jail they've been in jail thirty and forty years for three nine violent drug related offenses and change our sentencing system to make it more humane and more productive. Tom has been on the other side of this. There's eighty votes for this is the most important bipartisan piece of legislation in the congress today. It would make prisons a better place to get people the skills, they need not go back to prison, and it will also change the way we put people in jail the average sentence in America's eight times higher than anywhere else in the world for nonviolent offenders got people in jail for thirty and forty years some need to get out of jail and go back to work, and I'm urging Mitch McConnell put this Bill on the floor. If you put it on the floor will get eighty votes will get most Republicans, and almost all Democrats unless do it for the end of the year and the president's behind it. So mr. Pick up the phone and called the Republican leadership of the house into Senate and say, we still run this place. Bring this Bill to the floor. Senator cotton can have his and we'll vote him down. But this you believe the president is going to have to start lobbying. Mitch McConnell because done everything you could. And you haven't been able to get him to budge. Yeah. You know, what the country needs to heal here? One way to bring this country together. After the midterms is to focus on something. That matters. I never dreamed this many Republicans and Democrats would embrace sentencing reform in prison reform three strikes in you out has not worked. Now's the time to get it. Right. Let's start twenty nineteen on a positive note, urging center McConnell to bring the Bill to the floor of the Senate get eighty votes. Mr President pick up the phone and pushed the Republican leadership the Republicans of the problem here. Not the Democrats. Cory booker's been very helpful in getting us to. Yes, there's been some compromises to keep it from being a jailbreak sign ready to vote Senator Lindsey Graham you had your caffeine this morning, sir. Appreciate it. Always fun to you share your views. Thank you, sir. Have a good thing. When we come back the future of the Muller pro the fallout from the midterms and the prospect of government shutdown Washington is back in the panelists next. Welcome back, panelists here CNBC editor at large, John Harwood. You Michel sinned or White House? Correspondent for the PBS NewsHour. NBC news chief White House. Correspondent Halley Jackson and rich Lowry editor of national review. All right. I want to react here. A little bit too, Lindsey Graham, John Harwood. There was a bit of a theme in the various questions. Whether it's a Muller protection. Bill up to Mitch McConnell criminal Justice reform, Bill up to Mitch McConnell. But you saw the passion of Lindsey Graham. He's ready to fight on one. And. Not fight as much on the other. I was fascinated by his vehemence on that criminal Justice reform Bill, and I do think that Mitch McConnell reflect some residual resistance within the Republican base. But I think if we look at the results of the midterm elections, we can see the country moving toward the spirit of criminal Justice reform in Florida when Ronda Santa's was elected governor. And it appears that Rick Scott was elected Senator more than sixty percent of Floridians voted to restore voting rights for felons. One and a half million people that was that's to the detriment of the Republican party on that yet Republican Democratic voters came together to do it. I think whether or not this criminal Justice reform Bill happens in this lame duck. Or at some point down the road. We are headed in that direction. Halley he wants the president of pick up the phone, call Mitch McConnell tone to do this. It sounds like thinks the White House isn't pushing hard enough. But there are people inside the White House who are trying to push this. Notably Jared Kushner, of course, he's been the big driver when it comes to the the this Bill that we're talking about here. Mitch McConnell, remember told Kushner, according to a White House official in September. Don't do this before the midterms if you hold off making the commitment, I'll give you a floor vote. I'll give you a whip count not a floor vote. But at least a whip count if you can get there. We'll do it after the midterms. We'll Mitch McConnell keep his word to Jared. Kushner, an interesting one. Notably on the other side of the ledger. He was markedly cool about his own proposal sect Muller, which I think reflects it has zero chance of getting Republicans support in the Senate to it is probably on constitutional. I don't know how you can really constrain the president from firing and executive official of this nature. And if you want an investigation that the president in theory can't influence or shutter you have to do it out of congress, which is obviously that's going to happen. If I could bring it back to criminal Justice quickly. I was at the capital all week talking to lawmakers about this coming on Justice Bill and make it very clear. This is a criminal Justice Bill that can be the most significant criminal Justice reform of generation people at the national network who was is who is the party who is the organization of Al Sharpton, they are a lot of lawmakers there that were very very weary of this. They wanted a lot more sentencing reforms than the house Bill passed comeback to Friday. I had a very long conversation with Cory Booker. And he said I'm going to be behind this Bill. I don't care about the politics. I'm he doesn't care about the fact that this might be. Look like a win for President Trump. And it's because people think that families who were sentenced in who had these issues in the nineties eighties deserve to be able to have some of the tendencies on crack cocaine and cocaine and powder cocaine redone. It sounds like Lindsey Graham is saying the same thing say, hey, Democrats aren't standing in the way here. It's republicans. I'm gonna go to the idea of the Democrats using the budget John to force Muller vote here. Is that worth the capital that they would be spending doubt it? I don't think that Democrats right after an election, which they've won controlled house of representatives wanna make shut down their first priority by the same token. I don't think we're gonna have a shutdown because they don't fund the wall. I think the these threats are made kind of casually these days, I think both parties have learned that it's a losing game. And I would not expect to have you are way too optimistic. I, but I think it's funny. I mean, December seventh for the spending Bill deadline. Why do I have a feeling we're at least going to stretch this too close to the Christmas Eve, which is you've been around? Your first rodeo, I I will say this. I think there's going to be some movement this coming week. I spoke with a source familiar with the matter actually overnight who tells me that the president's legal team expects to submit the answers to Robert Muller's written questions before thanksgiving. So we're looking at probably Tuesday or Wednesday that we will learn that the president has submitted that I'm curious to see what the framing of that is going to be the president's team will say and now we're done because there's a couple of critical pieces of context. Those questions did not relate to obstruction of Justice because the president's legal team refused to engage on that with Robert Mueller despite that being obviously a key piece of the investigation. Additionally there written questions, which means the president's team can figure out what they wanna do the president told reporters on the south lawn. As far as what happens next. We haven't even talked about whether or not to sit down with Robert Muller. That's just not true. We know for months based on our reporting that the president has had these conversations legal team doesn't want want him to. And now the president is saying this morning. This is probably there will probably be no more questions written or in-person at all no questions at all on obstruction and nothing else as far as as his. View on the special counsel, huge caveat. This is a president who can change his mind and might but went how flattered that you think. It's my first radio. But rich, you know, we only know the president's version of all of this. We don't know why he did the written answers. Did he do it under threat of subpoena? Did he do it because he knows Pena's coming? It's not coming. You know, Muller hasn't spoken. Yeah. That's a big reminder. There's clearly been some back and forth of the questions what you'd expect of any special counsel in any president. But I think the most undiscussed story is up to this point despite Trump pounding on Muller constantly, the White House's cooperated with this probe. And I think it's really impossible shutter the probe at this point because we fire molar he will show up in January is Jerry Nadler's first witness before the judiciary committee Intel everything he knows. So it's too late. Then what then why do this Whitaker dance at the end of the day? I why do that because it now seems more head-scratching all the time. It was I think primarily an active vengeance against Jeff Sessions who never forgave for the recusals. Don't get the sense. That Matt would occur is going to end up being the person who is named permanently based on what we know from our pretty. Grant. Pam Bondi is somebody whose name comes up again. And again, and he's conversations as well as John Ratcliffe, by the way who is emerging as another potential. I think it comes back to the fact that the president could not stand one more date with Jeff Sessions. I'm Jeff that the reporting is that Jeff Sessions to offer to resign multiple times reporting is that the president has berated him in front of other cabinet members. And of course, we've all seen him on Twitter. This guy is getting on my nerves. The president over time has increasingly yielded to his visceral impulses. And I think Matt Whitaker reflects that. All right. I've got to ask quickly NBS. Do you think the United States government under President Trump will sanction NBS? No echo. So how does this get resolved? That is Lindsay Graham not going to carry water for Saudi Arabia. That was crystal clear, as you know, I love the abrupt answer gave me about NBS brother would never work with him again. So then what where does this go? Well, the question is that the question because the thing is our reporting is that a source familiar with the matter tells us that the has made the determination right that he has his behind it, of course. And so the president is doing this dance. He's got his son in law who is obviously close with them be as Mike Pompeo put out that statement yesterday that basically contradicted his former deputy, but knocking kind of straw man by saying the conclusion is not final. Well, of course. Right. But, but so this administration has had a history the past of when controversial things come up, they sort of backburner back burner backburner, and I wonder if that is something that may end up happening here. That's what it feels like. All right, guys. We're gonna pause here. When we come back, Ohio looks more and more Republican can the Democrats even win the state in a presidential. Action while share Brown thinks he can win the state because he just wanting. But is he running for president the democratic Senator from Ohio joins me now? Brought to you by IBM, smart technology, only matters when you put it to work where it matters. Let's put smart to work. Welcome back the midterm elections marked the beginning of the twenty twenty presidential race. And there's no shortage of Democrats who've suggested there interested in running against President Trump. It's such a long list. I as you can see I have to use a scroll, but one hurdle any democrat faces Ojo President Trump won the state by eight points in Ohio Republicans held onto all of their congressional seats and won every statewide race last week except one partisan say that is the blueprint for America for twenty twenty. Hint, perhaps the chaired Brown wants to run and knows how to win is a democrat in an increasingly red state Brown has been the subject of growing speculation about a possible presidential campaign, and guess what? He joins me. Now this morning from Cleveland Senator Brown. Welcome back to meet the press could be back. Thanks, chuck. Let me start with your you're out this week talking about another race in twenty eighteen and it was in Georgian. Stacey Abrams was before she had aknowledged her defeat. She is now admitted defeat didn't call it a concession. But I'm going to ask you about something you said this week about Georgia, and we play it. If Stacey Abrams doesn't win in Georgia. They stole it. It's clear. It's clear, and I would say that publicly. It's clear strong language to throw that out. There. You believe today that this is a stolen Ray said, basically, Brian Kemp is is somebody who's illegally governor, right? Our governor elective Georgia. I think you look at the lead up to this election secretary, and I was a secretary state. No high thirty years ago. I know what you do is secretary states. You encourage people to vote you don't purge. Millions of Oaters you close down pulling places in rural areas, where voters have difficulty getting to the polls which were mostly low income areas. You don't do what Republicans are doing all over the country. And you've seen it Chuck you've seen the kind of voter suppression that all over the country and the in UN with the secretary of state of Georgia's should've recused himself from running that election as Jimmy because former Georgia resident former president Jimmy Carter said he should. And clearly he did everything he could to put his thumb on the scale and won that election, quote, unquote, won that election by only about a point. I guess I would ask this. Couldn't you bring up all of those all of those issues lay all of that out without using the word stole. And I throw that out there because we have enough distrust in our institutions as it is. Don't okay, Chuck. Don't don't do the false equivalency of of of the lack of respect. And institutions we have we have a president that attacks your profession day after day after day, if you saw earlier part of my election night speech, you would've heard me thank the media. And you would have seen hundreds of people in Ohio on the democratic at this at this at this election. I gather turn around and clap for the media. We see a president that goes after the courts that goes after the judicial system of president that says as the votes were counted that something's been wrong with the elections. He he criticizes the elections that way. So don't play this false equivalency because a former secretary of state like me said that about this election, which clearly is an effort to suppress the vote. Not if people that look like you and me Chuck people of color, especially in its happened to spend your airtime. I don't mean to lecture notes airtime critic. Of those people who are trying to suppress the vote, and we spend a lot of time criticizing that too. I'm just asking you about choice of words and language. But but I take your point. Let's talk about the presidency. You seem to be very comfortable now saying, yeah. Okay. People are calling me. It is something I'm thinking about what are the what are the reasons? What are the reasons you're going to tick through to decide whether you're going to do this or not? Well, we've known each other long enough, you know, that I've I've not had this lifelong desire to be president. My my dream was to play center field for the Cleveland Indians. I I think doors probably shut by. Aside though, you never know we players these days. Yeah. Go talk to Bill James, and it's still possible. Election night after the election conning, I heard from so many people around the country, including some of lot of labor activists a lot of Democratic Party. Actress a lot of citizens that that think that a message not just a message, but a career fighting for workers where where the dignity I I won my election because I talk about the dignity of work, whether you whether you swipe badge or punch a clock. Whether you you you work for tips, or whether you are working to sour, whether you're taking care of parents and aging parents or raising children, we don't pay enough attention to the dignity of work too, many people in this country work hard every day pay their dues never get ahead. Don't have the kind of retirement security. They should that's why one Ohio. I whether I run or not I'm hopeful that narrative that message begins to be part of that near be part of the narrative in among among my colleagues who want to be president who've dreamed of it frankly for longer than I have a lot of them. Do you think an Elizabeth Warren could carry? Joe Biden carry Ohio with your message. I think that if people carry this message of the dignity of work of honoring people and respecting work under make the contrast between the phony populism of Donald Trump where the White House looks like a retreat for Wall Street executives in the real populism where populism is not racist. It's not anti-semitic. It doesn't push some people down to lift others up. I think any one of them can win my state if they make that contrast between the phony populism of Donald Trump, and in the dignity of work, and all that we stand for in have the bad. We're the Democratic Party is always been the the party of we have your back of working families. That's what I fight for every day in the sun. You you on your reelection. And a person that you I defeated to get into the United States Senate someone you defeated handily. Mike dewine also won the governorship, and it's clear that. There were some people who voted for both of you who do you think was the dewine Brown voter. And why do you think Richard cordray struggle? I think hios becoming a law is just becoming a more and more conservative state. Trump won the state, my almost double digits, obviously, I want enough those voters because I don't look at people as Trump voters or Clinton voters. I I look at voters as workers, and citizens, and and I think that it's been my much been the my career of fighting for workers that really helped me win that race. And maybe some of those people apparently voted for Mike dewine too. I don't really know that. But I do know that a career where I've spoken out in Bamut, my one my first votes in congress was against the North American trade agreement, and I I supported twenty years ago, I supported marriage equality and in oppose the Iraq war along long career of of progressive outspoken getting things done always through the prism of workers. You know, if you run and win the presidency, a Republican governor would appoint your replacement and believe. It or not, you know, slate somebody slate has already writing that. That's actually a reason you shouldn't run writing this. Ultimately, the question hanging over Brown isn't whether he's a good candidate. Or even a great one. It's whether he's so much better than the other twenty twenty contenders that it would be worth waving his Senate seat. Goodbye. Is that a reason for you to decide? Yes. Or no is that even a fair reason to throw at you. Well, I think a lot of people have elect their hand project that I do too. Actually, more than twenty four months. Twenty six months, whatever, I don't know Connie, and I are still thinking about this intensely personal decision with my my wife, and my children, my grandchildren. Don't know enough to know what it means. But it would it would change their lives. And I need to be aware of all of that is this is this decision. Ask you a couple of things about the upcoming lame duck session. Do you think Democrats should? Leverage their votes, particularly in the house for this spending Bill with Muller protection Bill in the Senate. I don't know. I listened to interview with Lenzi. I do say the priorities in the lame duck one of the major priorities sentence reform in prison reform. I e sentiment are you? Are you that? On that for years of. Of course, that's that's important thing is we can do right now when you have the president and in the president knew virtually all Democrats, I think in both houses in enough Republicans Republican leaders like the future, chairman of the judiciary committee and engage sorta McConnell on to do the people's business here and do it. Right. And that should be priority. One over the mullahs protection. Bill in your mind. That's priority. One to me. Yes. All right. Senator shared Brown wind should we expect an answer? When you decision. I am. No. I have no real time table. It's it's really as I said, it's personal. It's sitting down with Connie and my family and really figuring things through. But thank you for. All right. Well, Bob feller is somebody from Iowa who's a Cleveland Indian? And it was always an interesting connection over the years between Ohio and. There you meet her Iowa right there. It is. Anyway, shared Brown democrat from Ohio. We'll be watching. Thanks for coming on and sharing your views. Searcher coming up a high. Oh, maybe getting redder. But other states are looking bluer the midterms are changing electoral map what it could mean for twenty twenty when we come in. Backdated Emo time. Let's talk about how the map of presidential swing states has changed following this year's midterm election. Some states may be surrendering their position on the battleground that and other states, maybe stepping it look at the twenty eighteen exit polls Republicans one white voters by ten points, white while Democrats one Hispanic voters by forty Democrats also at a twenty point advantage among college educated voters, and Democrats and Republicans were even among those without a four year degree. So what does this mean for twenty twenty? Let's start with Ohio which has voted for the winner in every presidential election since nineteen sixty four a true, swing state, and bellwether. But now it looks safer for Republicans in two thousand sixteen Donald Trump won the state by surprising, eight points in two thousand eighteen both Republicans and competitive house races in the state held on Republican Mike dewine won the open race for governor by four points in. Yes, come a democratic Senator Sherrod Brown held a seat, but the CNN. In terms of demographics. This actually all makes a lot of sense. So high a lot wider than the nation as a whole with a much smaller Hispanic population is also lower than the national average for bachelor's degrees. On the flip side. There's Colorado a state that's move squarely to the blue column two thousand sixteen Hillary Clinton won the state by a relatively narrow five point margin. But in two thousand eighteen the one competitive GOP healthy flipped blue pretty easily and democrat Jared polis from boulder won the governorship. I ten points. And in many ways, Colorado is the inverse of Ohio. It's more diverse with a much higher Hispanic population. And it's above the national average for college education. So which states could be taking the place of a Highland Colorado on the twenty twenty battleground now here three candidates that could replace them to a red zone in Georgia and one is blue Minnesota. It's all more evidence that the twenty eighteen midterms were less about a wave and more about a realignment. That's remaking the way we understand American politics. At least in the Arab Donald Trump when we come back the battle for speaker of the house, you know, the old saying it can't beat somebody with nobody. Back now within game. All right, Ohio, John Harwood. I had a democratic strategist said they wouldn't spend another dime there ever. Again, shared Brown. Obviously thinks his victory means that's actually the reason why you need a guy like shirt Brown. What do you say? Well, you might wanna spend a few times shared Brown's the nominee. Look, the states that are drifting away from the Democratic Party are states that are older whiter more. Blue collar, Iowa is a Ohio is exhibit a. Be say that that's a good misspeaking there. Exactly. So I think Democrats as you suggested in the data download they're going to be looking at other targets, especially in the sun belt to try to make up for some of the prospects. They don't have anymore room for shared Brown in this race. There might be. I mean, he's someone who isn't going to cancel himself out in other ways. When you look at someone who's comparing Kamala Harris and Cory Booker or Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. I don't know if he's going to be able to get the traction, those other people, I know that there are a lot of people who are looking at the Democratic Party and thinking what you learned from the mid terms that she should be doing diversity not just talking about it. So I don't know if that what that means. But he's also someone who's very personable. He does someone who's kind of telling it like it is he he he got back and forth with you say, it's false. It's women's hid gaining by the idea that he said that Brian Kim stole this election. That's I think the fiery speak that democratic base wants to hear rich. You're you're. Calling this week. You talked about the president. And he said he's both to populous populous enough you heard shared Brown. Basically he wants to run to take the word back and he believes he can redefine it in a different way. Explain what you mean by that that too populous populous enough to in. Does it leave an opening for sure I think Trump relies kind of stylistic populism overwhelmingly that is repulsive to the suburbs, especially to spur in women. And in theory, you could come up with a populous cost of living agenda deals with costs of higher education healthcare that would have crossover appeal to the working class and to the suburbs. But just Trump's personality so overwhelming and makes it hard to do that. There's one name that comes up again. And again, we talk about the idea of somebody who can tell like, it is and somebody who's can be a populist, and when you talk to democrat Democrats, including some strategists or being reached out by various campaigns, as well as Republicans when you ask who's the person, you actually think could beat Donald Trump, there's one name, and you know, hood, it's Joe Biden, and that's a person who I think there's a lot of I think on the Republican side, by the way, it's so early right? I mean think about well, I don't know twenty fourteen Donald Trump was not on the radar yet. Donald cry Democrats in twenty twenty you're going to be able to beat Donald Trump. Donald Trump is he's polarizing he has a base, but he is not a popular president. And I think the Democrats are going to be you know, I think Donald Trump is in the same position. Now that Hurley Clinton was at this point in time, which is why you got seventeen Republicans running last time in why we have my list is up to thirty four and my squirrel state. There's an electoral path for Donald Trump, but he's going to be heavily reliant on a democratic candidate. You can make unacceptable. All right. I wanna talk about Nancy Pelosi. She met with potential opponent, Marcia fudge, a congresswoman from Ohio when I found interesting was I think Nancy Pelosi had a big impact on Marcia fudge about the job. Take a listen. I'm weighing the enormity of what this job entails constant traffic being away from home all the time constituents, the fundraising just had to decide if I really want to do this because it's it's insane July. She's she's done it. Well, and she enjoys doing it. I have to decide if I want to do that. Then didn't sound like somebody ready to run that sound like somebody who Mansi Pelosi opened up her calendar and her relatives. I'm Nancy Pelosi. The reason why she was a target of Republicans a lot of time are because there's it's because of the fact that he's a woman that there's that argument that I will knowledge also the idea that some people say that Republicans don't like Nancy Pelosi because he's so active. She's an effective fundraiser, she's an effective person who can rally base he can whip those votes and Harley Rueda who is someone who said that he doesn't wanna vote for her these when I asked him during an interview, why aren't you supporting Nathan Pelosi because she raised a lot of money for your campaign. He said, well, she does that for everybody. Well, but it's interesting you say that I put together we put together a cop of all these new members. And it is interesting. They're all figuring out how to get to. Yes. Take a listen. I'm uncommitted have deep respect admiration for leader Pelosi. Let's see who's running. She's very qualified. I won't be voting for Nancy Pelosi, but she has been a very effective speaker up to this point when I was talking with my constituents among the things that I said is that I wouldn't be voting for her sepals. He's been. Detrimental things for this country as speaker as minority leader, and I have tremendous respect for. Where's the ground swell? Dumper? I don't see it very big difference between what people will do behind closed doors next Wednesday, which I think is a point folks miss when they can maybe stand up and say, I don't wanna over and whether you actually do it on the floor in the beginning January. That's a big difference. And there are some Democrats another another key difference. One reason John bainer was deposed the rebels against him had this activist in media eco-system that was incurring them to do it plead opposite on the democratic side. If these moderates don't buckle. They are gonna get hit so hard for being sexist, and all the ungrateful and all the rest of it. She's going to be the speaker because the parts of the job that make her vulnerable her public image. Are simply not that important. This is an inside job the part that she is good at is advancing the democratic agenda. All right. I got one more thing. I want to bring up before we go. And that is the Republican party does not touch the Pacific Ocean in much of the Pacific Ocean. Anyway, let me show you this map. It's not. Orange County that has gone all blue. There is now not a single congressional district in California represented by Republicans that touches the Pacific Ocean. In fact, Duncan hunter's doesn't it is Jamie up in Washington third district that is how far north you have to go John Harwood to find a Republican that represents the Pacific Ocean. Look Republicans are going to have to figure this out. And I think the thing that breaks the logjam in our politics right now is when the Republican party in a concerted way begins to appeal to votes outside the existing base of of whites that hasn't happened. We thought it was going to happen. After two thousand twelve that's going to be the next phase of the Republican party. Republicans lost their loan Latino assembly member in this sweep in California. Anyway, guys. Thank you very much. That's all we have for today. Thanks for watching have a happy and safe thanksgiving. It is our best to bring us together. Use it to do that everybody back next week. Because if it's Sunday, it's meet the press. Thanks for listening to NBC's. Meet the press with Chuck Todd podcast. You can listen to MSNBC twenty four hours a day seven days a week on tune in.
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